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0:00:06From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 75.
0:00:10Today's show is brought to you by Ministry of Supply and Igloo.
0:00:14My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.
0:00:17Hello, Steven Hackett.
0:00:18Hello, Michael Hurley.
0:00:19And Mr. Federico Vittucci.
0:00:21Buona sera to you.
0:00:23Oh, buona sera, guys. How are you?
0:00:26I went with that. I have no idea.
0:00:27That could mean like happy cars.
0:00:29- That's nice. - For all I know.
0:00:30Was it good? - No, no, no.
0:00:31It was good, Myke.
0:00:32Well done.
0:00:33- I'm very proud of myself right now.
0:00:35- Yeah, you should be.
0:00:37- Let's put a pin in it and do some follow-up.
0:00:39- In the follow-up section of the show today,
0:00:43we are returning to a whole smattering
0:00:47of past topics released, starting off with Sonos.
0:00:51We got some feedback that we potentially glossed over
0:00:55how Sonos actually works.
0:00:57Magic! Next point, please.
0:00:59So it does stream from your phone if you're using local files like I am. I don't have an Apple Music or Spotify
0:01:10collection or anything, so it is streaming music from my phone. But if you do use a service like that,
0:01:16you go into the Sonos app and say, "Hey, play
0:01:18this album from Apple Music," and then if your iPhone gets smashed,
0:01:22it can still play because the Sonos is actually talking to those services directly.
0:01:27and the phone is really just a controller at that point, if that makes sense.
0:01:32So it's kind of like Chromecast then?
0:01:34Yeah, it's kind of a hybrid of that and Airplay depending on what you're doing.
0:01:39Right.
0:01:40And it's... like the Apple Music stuff is still definitely in beta.
0:01:46So like what's happening then is you're on your phone in the Sonos app and you're looking at Apple Music, right?
0:01:53you say I want to play this song and then the Sonos goes to a URL, like you're triggering
0:01:58the Sonos to reach a URL at Apple's server, right? And then it plays the music.
0:02:03Right. That's my understanding.
0:02:05So it's, you're not streaming it?
0:02:06Right, it's only-
0:02:07Could you turn it off? Could you turn your phone off and the music keeps going?
0:02:11I would assume so, yes.
0:02:13So it's got a mind of its own, that thing.
0:02:16System audio is completely separate from the Sonos stream. Like you can receive phone calls,
0:02:21you can watch a YouTube video and the Sonos doesn't care.
0:02:24So, yeah.
0:02:25- Well, there you go, magic.
0:02:28- Yeah, I've been getting some errors personally.
0:02:31I assume that's just one of the system limitations.
0:02:37When you download Apple Music Tracks offline,
0:02:40I try to play them on the Sonos
0:02:42and it gave me a DRM error.
0:02:45So, yay DRM.
0:02:47And the second point I assume is just one of those issues with streaming services.
0:02:53When you cache a track offline, it's in a protected file type and it cannot be streamed.
0:03:01I kind of wish Sonos was able to work around this.
0:03:03Maybe that's the reason why this is a beta.
0:03:05Maybe eventually they will be able to stream even the cached tracks from Apple Music.
0:03:12Right now all I'm doing is I just look for a song with a universal search in the Sonos
0:03:19app, which is really nice now that I've added a bunch of services like SoundCloud and Apple
0:03:25Music.
0:03:27Like the other day I was looking for a remix of a song and instead of having to jump to
0:03:34the SoundCloud app or looking on YouTube, I could have a unified search in the Sonos
0:03:39app, which is really nice.
0:03:41Maybe in the future we'll get a proper DRM playback for offline tracks.
0:03:47Right now I get quite a few errors if I try.
0:03:51Well it's beta.
0:03:56We spoke also about the desire to listen to say Overcast or Pocketcast or some other audio
0:04:05service or app that's not part of the Sonos ecosystem and we're going to point people
0:04:09to a page over on GitHub. This guy's put together Air Sonos which is basically a
0:04:16package that you run on your Mac. It has a bunch of dependency stuff. You've got
0:04:20to install Node.js on your Mac which is super exciting if you haven't done that.
0:04:25And it basically turns your Mac into an AirPlay device that then streams over to
0:04:33the Sonos. So in my house I've got this set up on a Mac mini that I have running
0:04:37and I go to AirPlay on my phone and it says "kitchen Sonos" and it just AirPlays
0:04:41via the Mac and it gets the job done. There's definitely a delay. It
0:04:47definitely at times can be a little heavy-handed on the Mac's processor but
0:04:51it works and so I've been listening to podcasts in the kitchen doing dishes and
0:04:56that sort of stuff from Overcast and it's not ideal but it's better than
0:05:00nothing and so yeah if you're after that sort of solution then I think AirSonos
0:05:07it's definitely the best one that I've tried so far.
0:05:10- Seems dangerous.
0:05:12That's for sure.
0:05:13- It took me a while to install this thing on my Mac.
0:05:18- Have you tried to do it on your iPhone?
0:05:19Is that the problem?
0:05:20- No, no, no, I needed to open the terminal
0:05:22and type in a bunch of commands.
0:05:23And they were like all text flowing down the screen.
0:05:27It was like the matrix.
0:05:28It was like the matrix, only uglier and without Carol Reeves.
0:05:32- And more scary.
0:05:33- And it was like, at some point it gave me an error
0:05:36because I forgot to authenticate as a super user, whatever.
0:05:40It's been years since I've been doing this stuff.
0:05:44Eventually it worked, and it streams fine.
0:05:48I mean, you just need to open the terminal and type "airsonos" and enter,
0:05:52and it creates an AirPlay instance.
0:05:55And the only problem, if you want to call it so,
0:05:58is that there's like a delay between tapping a track
0:06:04and getting the stream to play like one to two seconds.
0:06:08It's no big deal and it works fine.
0:06:10But you know, I wouldn't expect more
0:06:14from this kind of work around,
0:06:16so I would count that as a success, Steven.
0:06:19Thank you for noticing this.
0:06:22- You bet, you bet.
0:06:24I played with a couple things
0:06:25and a lot of them have been not updated in a while.
0:06:29One basically would work unless you were running El Capitan,
0:06:32which was a problem, but it gets the job done.
0:06:36I feel like if you're nerdy enough to have a Sonos speaker
0:06:38and want AirPlay, then this is not too far off
0:06:43the reservation you can try.
0:06:44So that'll be in the show notes.
0:06:47Also, talking about Night Shift, we spoke about that
0:06:52last week in depth, and we got some feedback from people
0:06:55saying that they tried it in the beta
0:06:57and then have gone and installed Flux on their Mac,
0:07:00not realizing how great it was, which I found pretty funny.
0:07:02But the the new 9.3 developer beta has night shift in control center, which is interesting
0:07:08It's the first time I believe we've seen control center see really any change in a while
0:07:14Yeah
0:07:16I'm on the public beta. So I haven't seen this. Have you guys played with this yet? Yeah
0:07:21It's nice that you can
0:07:25control the night shift
0:07:28Activation from control center. I'm not sure about the design of the icons
0:07:32It's kind of all over the place right now.
0:07:34It's creepy.
0:07:35Yeah, the Control Center design is kind of inconsistent in many, many ways.
0:07:42I assume there's going to be changes in iOS 10.
0:07:45I mean, really, Control Center has been, since iOS 7, has been the perfect candidate for
0:07:50extensions, you know, for developers to be able to say, "I want to offer a toggle for
0:07:55Control Center."
0:07:57Right now, you cannot customize anything off Control Center.
0:07:59I assume it's coming eventually, as I tweeted yesterday.
0:08:03Right now, the design of the icons at the top, at the bottom, and it's kind of a mixed
0:08:08bag, I would say.
0:08:10But it's useful.
0:08:11I'm not sure about the eye icon.
0:08:16The lamp that a few tech blogs posted from the Canadian Apple website was much nicer.
0:08:23I assume that maybe the reason Apple used an eye is because every human being has an
0:08:27and not every human being has a lamp.
0:08:29That's my only explanation.
0:08:31Anyway, it works okay. It works okay.
0:08:33We'll see how it goes.
0:08:35I was just playing around with this yesterday evening,
0:08:38and it was at night, and I hit the button,
0:08:40so I had night shift on, and I hit the button to turn it off,
0:08:42and my eyeballs nearly exploded.
0:08:44Yeah.
0:08:45As it changed from the orange to blue light.
0:08:49It really is such a big difference once you get used to it.
0:08:52It's crazy.
0:08:53It's crazy when you think about the fact that during the day,
0:08:55day you see that blue light but as soon as it gets darker it's like "oh my god what are
0:09:01you doing screen stop it you're too blue" it's like a morph screen really it's awful so yay
0:09:08for night shift not sure about the icon but whatever as soon as it saves us time I'm okay
0:09:14with the with the creepy eye. I guess my question is why you know under what circumstances would
0:09:20you turn it off? And the only thing I came up with was if you're watching
0:09:24video and it looks strange but you know past that I really don't see me like
0:09:30going in and turning this on and off a bunch over time but I don't know maybe
0:09:35maybe that'll prove differently once it's once it's out and especially I'm
0:09:39not running on the iPad yet maybe on the iPad it's more noticeable but on the
0:09:43phone I've been perfectly content just to let it do its thing and run on its
0:09:47own schedule and it's been pretty great so far.
0:09:49Yeah, I like it.
0:09:52All right. Myke, there are two things in here I want to talk to you about next. One, this
0:09:59domain that you were using for your Tumblr. And number two, this post on your Tumblr that
0:10:06is going to... people are going to have feelings about. So what have you done?
0:10:11Alright so the best way for me to describe this is to go backwards.
0:10:16So yeah I bought some stickers.
0:10:20I think I mentioned this at some point, I was on Sticker Mule, I was looking at their
0:10:23marketplace and they have a bunch of great designs.
0:10:26So I bought a big pack of stickers and they arrived yesterday.
0:10:29And these stickers were specifically purchased for me to put on my iPad Pro because it was
0:10:34looking a bit barren and I wanted to update it.
0:10:37So I did that, I took a picture of it, I put it on Instagram but I also put it on my Facebook
0:10:41my Tumblr blog so I could put some links so people could go get the stickers for
0:10:46themselves because I figured people would want to do that and then I mean I
0:10:51I own MykeWasRight.com and I believe if my memory serves it was transferred to
0:10:56me from Carl's the Grey. If memory serves he bought this domain and transferred it
0:11:03to me I think maybe I don't know that seems to be at least my own headcanon
0:11:07that I've created. And when I tweeted the link out to this, I knew that people were
0:11:13going to get angry about the stickers because some people, basically people either love
0:11:17them or they think that I'm some sort of devil. So I decided that instead of using the imike.co
0:11:24domain I would use, in a very subtle trolling way, mikegoesright.com for just that domain
0:11:29because it would forward. And then I was talking to Casey and he just was kind of like, why
0:11:34you just embrace it so I have and now my Tumblr blog is mikewasright.com and that's and it
0:11:41says Myke was right right at the very top I'm embracing my personal brand. Yeah you're
0:11:45really going for for the brand here Myke. It is very that green is very bright it's
0:11:51it's very catching. Yeah I like it. So this the sticker deal. Uh-huh. Can we talk about
0:11:59this picture like the elephant in the room what's going on here Myke? Well what's wrong
0:12:03of it, it's awesome. Oh, okay. So I think we should have like a sticker made that only
0:12:10says intervention and then I'm gonna, you know, send it to you. Seriously though, like
0:12:15I know we're kidding. But I don't know why people get so mad. Because it's messy. No
0:12:21man, but great. I don't like it when people line all their stickers up. I like the kind
0:12:26of higgledy-pigglediness and also this device doesn't have one orientation. So you can't
0:12:31have the stickers in one orientation. They've got to be all over the place. So whatever
0:12:34way you're looking at it, it kind of all levels out.
0:12:38You know that I also... I think I'm the opposite as you. For me, having stickers or complex
0:12:46backgrounds on my phone, eventually it only gives me mental fatigue. I changed my iPhone's
0:12:53background again to be a simple black wallpaper. Because I don't want to think about the responsibility
0:12:59of figuring out what's the best wallpaper for me. Similarly, I wouldn't be able to
0:13:03cope with the idea of which stickers do I like the most and where do I want to place
0:13:09them. And so to me, looking at, I mean, this sort of collection of stickers, it makes me
0:13:15anxious. It feels like another thing that I need to manage. And it's fascinating to
0:13:25me that you're the exact opposite when it comes to, you know, I don't know. I guess
0:13:32that when people like, I wouldn't say make fun of this, but when people almost can't
0:13:38believe what you're doing, it's because they come from similar places as I do, which
0:13:44is I, looking at this visual, how can you say that?
0:13:51It's like a buffet of colours and imagery.
0:13:55It's like an explosion of glue and colours.
0:13:59But you see, this is like me.
0:14:04This is how I look at this stuff.
0:14:05So these stickers, these are things that I do, these are things that I love, and I do
0:14:10and love many things.
0:14:12And this, like, the sticker thing for me is like it's just a way for me to express myself,
0:14:17and so that's why I do it.
0:14:18There's a bunch of things on here, like my iPad, my MacBook has got even more of them, right?
0:14:24And it's more covered and over time what I expect is you will not see a piece of that grey on the iPad.
0:14:31I'll cover the entire thing. I stick stickers over stickers.
0:14:34Like I just, it's for me, it's like this is just stuff about me. This is stuff that I love.
0:14:39This is an extension of who Myke is.
0:14:42Yeah, you're one of those colorful persons.
0:14:45Like there's Sylvia's aunt she has a fridge full of magnets and there's like hundreds of my grandma has on
0:14:51I have to bring her back a magnet from every place. I visit I just look at the fridge and I worry
0:14:55Like I don't know. He makes me it makes me
0:15:01Worry inside. I don't know why yeah
0:15:04I think this conversation with you is showing me that you are one of the people that complains
0:15:09But you just don't complain because we're friends. Yeah. No, I don't complain. I love you Myke
0:15:14You're one of the people that sends me tweets and they're like "what's wrong with you?
0:15:19How can you live with yourself?"
0:15:21That's the first type of stuff that I get.
0:15:22People get really mad.
0:15:23And I must point everyone back to that Apple ad with the MacBook.
0:15:29You remember that?
0:15:30The MacBook sticker ad?
0:15:31No, it's not that I don't know how you can live with yourself.
0:15:34As much as I think about myself and what...
0:15:40I'm curious, you know, what's the process that's happening inside my brain that makes
0:15:44me anxious when I look at such a picture?
0:15:47Or the fridge with the magnets?
0:15:49Like I'm more worried about myself than you, Myke.
0:15:52The thing is, I think it is a difference in people, just the way that they are.
0:15:55I am very much a person who likes organized chaos.
0:16:01So my idea of tidy is different to other people's idea of tidy.
0:16:06Okay, I think we're going somewhere here, yes.
0:16:09For me, it's like I know where everything is. That's kind of my idea of tidy, is everything
0:16:14has its place. But when people look at it, like you look at my desk and it looks like
0:16:18it's just completely messy, but I know 100% where everything is on this desk because I
0:16:23have arranged it. There's just lots of stuff on it. To me, tidy isn't nothing, it's just
0:16:29everything being in its right place.
0:16:31So every day, either before I start working or before I go to sleep, if the objects in
0:16:39my house or in my room aren't completely placed precisely on a desk, like, nothing
0:16:48is out of place, nothing is like in an oblique position, everything has to be either upright
0:16:54or flat on a desk with no mess. I just feel, I just feel sticky. I just feel like something's
0:17:04wrong, stressed. I feel very stressed. If like, like I'm looking at my desk right now
0:17:09and my MacBook isn't precisely upright and it just makes me, I don't know, I feel like
0:17:18a niche, you know? We are clearly built very differently, but
0:17:23I have to just note one thing that Steven is conspicuously silent.
0:17:27Well, I've tried the sticker thing, but...
0:17:32You were putting stickers on laptops before me.
0:17:36I was, not to this extent, and I have since recovered from my...
0:17:41You relapsed though.
0:17:42Sticker-ing ways.
0:17:43I have no stickers on my laptop or my iPad.
0:17:46You will do.
0:17:47Eventually you will do.
0:17:49And if I did, I try to be much neater than what you're doing.
0:17:58So maybe I'm in between the two of you, but what I say, Myke, is that if that makes you
0:18:03happy then you should do it because YOLO.
0:18:08And I also just want to say the Vititi Seal of Quality, I don't have any more of those.
0:18:12I've had people asking me, I don't have any.
0:18:14I think it might have been my last one.
0:18:16What a great sticker.
0:18:17I definitely have like 50 right in this desk I'm sitting at.
0:18:21- Well I want some, so you gotta give me that.
0:18:23- I'll make that happen.
0:18:24And really the question for me,
0:18:28and I know what the answer is, but just for the record,
0:18:31if you have a new sticker come into your life,
0:18:36how do you handle that?
0:18:39Because, what do you do?
0:18:41- What do you mean, so I receive a new sticker?
0:18:44- Yes.
0:18:45- Well--
0:18:45- That you want on the iPad.
0:18:46I put it on. So you just layer it on? Yeah, I'd stack them. You can see they're already
0:18:52starting to stack. BB-8s over BMO's face, there's a shoe over the POTX logo. Yeah, he's
0:18:56kinda eating his antenna, which is very concerning to me. Someone called it robot love. It's
0:19:01true, man, they're scaring it down. What's up with the monkey and the jacket? The monkey
0:19:07is a CGP Grey sticker. Okay. The jacket is part of that whole little set of Back to the
0:19:12future iconography. Okay, so the little round robot that's Star Wars. It's BB-8.
0:19:19Then there's like a fake Game Boy. That's BMO from Adventure Time.
0:19:24Okay, I don't know what you're talking about. There's like a spaceship. That's the Millennium
0:19:30Falcon. Well, it depends what spaceship you mean. There's the Space Shuttle and also the Millennium
0:19:33Falcon. The one next to the Apple. Yeah, it's the Millennium Falcon. I do love the the 3s one,
0:19:39The Macintosh, the Apple.
0:19:41Yep. You see that slack one underneath the pen thing?
0:19:43That's made out of wood.
0:19:44That's actually wooden. It's raised.
0:19:47That's pretty crazy.
0:19:49Yeah, I mean, some of these are really nice.
0:19:51I love them.
0:19:52Yeah. And the camera is also from Back to the Future.
0:19:56The video camera? Yeah.
0:19:58Yeah.
0:19:59Yeah. All of those little things around there are from the same stick as that.
0:20:01So the sunglasses and the cassette player.
0:20:03Okay, I see. Well, Myke, as long as you're happy.
0:20:07I am.
0:20:08I'm also happy for you.
0:20:10I am. I have to just mention as well, uh,
0:20:12Kieran, uh,
0:20:14via Twitter, sent me
0:20:16a link to something which is completely
0:20:18in my wheelhouse. It is a sticker
0:20:20subscription service
0:20:22called, uh, Slap
0:20:24to St- well, their URL is
0:20:26Slap to Stick or something. It's like Slap
0:20:28Slap Stickers is the name of the company.
0:20:30They're working with a bunch of great designers that I really
0:20:32like and I have
0:20:34signed up for a subscription, so
0:20:36I look forward to receiving new stickers every single month, which is going to be a horrifically
0:20:40difficult thing for me to deal with.
0:20:42You just have to buy another computer.
0:20:45I'm going to have to, like, I'm not going to put any on my iMac, but I'm going to have
0:20:49to find somewhere else to put them.
0:20:50Well, you still have the Mac Pro, you can just cover that with stickers.
0:20:53Yeah, that'll make it sell easier, right?
0:20:55Yeah.
0:20:56Please, if anybody wants to buy a Mac Pro, let me know.
0:21:01While we're on the topic of crippling sadness, has Google Docs been updated for iOS 9?
0:21:05What do you think?
0:21:06Yes!
0:21:07No, I'm sorry.
0:21:08Play breaking news!
0:21:09No, it hasn't, guys.
0:21:10Why are we even talking about this?
0:21:11Because we have to now.
0:21:12It's a tradition.
0:21:13If nothing ever changes, are you supposed to keep waiting?
0:21:14Probably.
0:21:15What else are you going to do?
0:21:16Just let it go, Myke.
0:21:17All right.
0:21:18I hope his friend's in there.
0:21:19I mean, I'm fine, you know?
0:21:20I'm fine.
0:21:21I'm fine.
0:21:22I'm fine.
0:21:23I'm fine.
0:21:24I'm fine.
0:21:25I'm fine.
0:21:26I'm fine.
0:21:27I'm fine.
0:21:28I'm fine.
0:21:29I'm fine.
0:21:30I'm fine.
0:21:31I'm fine.
0:21:32I'm fine.
0:21:33I'm fine.
0:21:34I'm fine using it, right? Like it annoys me, but I still use it every day, like hooking it by.
0:21:39I'm working around it, you know?
0:21:42It just surprises me. You've been putting so much effort into working on the iPad,
0:21:47and yet you still cope with Google Docs not working...
0:21:51Well I can't do nothing, right? Because nobody provides...
0:21:53Yes you can!
0:21:54No. Who's going to give me the spreadsheet functionality like Google Sheets does?
0:21:58Excel?
0:21:59With sharing? And real-time collaboration?
0:22:04Do you really collaborate with on spreadsheets?
0:22:07Yes, me and Steven do. Basically every week.
0:22:11Fundamentally, I have my systems and workflows built around the way that Google Docs and
0:22:16Sheets and Drive work and I can get by with it. What do they call it? SlideOver? SlideOver
0:22:25is my friend. I work with SlideOver a lot where I would want to be doing split view.
0:22:30It's not ideal, but it works for me.
0:22:33I haven't got another solution which can give me everything
0:22:36that I need in the way that I'm used to doing it.
0:22:38And at this point, right now, I don't
0:22:41want to have to recreate my system somewhere else.
0:22:45- I told you, I'm weak fundamentally.
0:22:47And so I started using Quip with Fraser this week.
0:22:51- Thing is, I've used Quip.
0:22:53We used Quip for a long time.
0:22:55And Quip is weird in its own ways.
0:22:57And I prefer Google Docs.
0:22:59It works with Splitview.
0:23:00Yeah, but you know, what are you going to do?
0:23:02Like, it's not as good as Google Docs,
0:23:04and it doesn't have spreadsheet functionality.
0:23:06I want it all in one place.
0:23:09I'm confident that it is going to be updated.
0:23:12It just may take another six months.
0:23:15Yes.
0:23:16Well, you know, I really don't know what to say anymore.
0:23:22And it's one of those things you just
0:23:25keep waiting on the sidelines and appreciate
0:23:29in a way the sadness of all of it.
0:23:33I'm going to put a link in the show notes. Serenity Caldwell wrote a great piece on iMore
0:23:37calling out Google and the kind of ridiculousness that they are putting themselves in right
0:23:45now. So I'll put that in the show notes so people can go read it.
0:23:48Yeah.
0:23:49It's really good. Like they're saying, I love the headline that Google has made itself a
0:23:53class citizen which is a fantastic way of putting it. They are they're making themselves seem worse
0:23:59and worse every day. Maybe they don't care, maybe they do. If they do care, fix it. This week's
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0:27:05Alright, so we've been talking a lot recently on this show about connected home stuff, right?
0:27:11It started with you guys talking about HomeKit when I was away and then looking at stuff
0:27:17like the Sonos and stuff like that and all these Hue lights and things.
0:27:22This is something that is definitely becoming a theme on this show and I'm interested in
0:27:26this stuff and I'm starting to look into it a little bit more.
0:27:29One thing that I wanted is I've been thinking about having some kind of system to keep me
0:27:35connected to my home when I'm away. So a security system of sorts, something that could let
0:27:43me see the home, so I can see things and see if everything's okay. So maybe something that
0:27:48could tell me if there's been a fire. These are just little things that everybody worries
0:27:54about. And I thought, considering how our lives are so different with all this technology
0:27:59right now, why can't I just get something that can tell me all of this stuff so I don't
0:28:02need to worry about it, right? So because I'm a weirdo and sometimes like I get
0:28:07into like the street where my house is and I turn the corner I'm like is the house
0:28:10burned down? Do you guys ever have this feeling? That the house is burning down?
0:28:15Just like that like one moment where you're like oh I wonder if the house is
0:28:18burned down. Do you ever get this? No. I don't have house feelings. There are people out there that have anxiety
0:28:25problems like I do and sometimes this is stuff that I think about. So now I have
0:28:29been looking at home security systems. I went to the Apple Store the other day
0:28:32there's a couple looking at I've been looking at the Canary and the Nest Cam
0:28:36and so I went to the Apple Store because I was kind of in the morning I was
0:28:41looking at them they're about the same price they were 150 pounds and the
0:28:45Canary really seemed to be more of what I was looking for because it has a bunch
0:28:49of sensors in the Nest Cam doesn't. The Nest Cam is more of a home security
0:28:54camera while the Canary is more of a like home security system. So I bought
0:28:59one it's like a tube kind of thing it's really discreet looking which I like and
0:29:05I've put it in my home and I'm very happy with it. The setup process was
0:29:09pretty simple so it comes with like a power cable and also a yellow 3.5
0:29:17millimeter headphone jack cable which I really didn't understand what it was
0:29:20about. So you download the app and what you do is you plug the audio jack cable, like
0:29:27the 3.5 cable, into the Canary and into your phone and then that's how they pair initially.
0:29:33That's cool. So old fashioned really. Yeah, so it pairs like that and then it's Bluetooth
0:29:38connected from then on. But it sends... So how will you pair with the iPhone 7? Who knows?
0:29:45I won't. That's when I have to throw my Canary out the window. Or buy like a super expensive
0:29:51adapter. But anyway, so it does that and then it connects by Bluetooth going forward and
0:29:54it was like downloading firmware and that sort of stuff, which was cool. And then you're
0:29:58kind of set up using their application. And so these are the features that I like about
0:30:01the Canary, right? This isn't an ad, by the way. Canary have been a sponsor on shows.
0:30:07This is not an ad. I have one. And I know that this sounds like an ad right now. So
0:30:12Let me tell you about the features of the Canary.
0:30:14This is what I like about it.
0:30:15It has three different modes.
0:30:16Armed, Disarmed and Private.
0:30:18So armed is like it will alert you to movement.
0:30:21Disarmed is it will still collect movement information.
0:30:26The camera is still on, the camera is recording when it notices something.
0:30:29But it doesn't alert you to it.
0:30:31And then also Private mode.
0:30:33So I have it set to Private mode when I'm at home.
0:30:36Because I don't want the camera collecting things and uploading them to Canary when I'm
0:30:40at home.
0:30:41don't want that to happen that doesn't need to happen but it has auto mode
0:30:44switching so when I leave the house it arms and it does this by location and
0:30:49Wi-Fi and when you open a canary app so me and Adina both have the app installed
0:30:54you install the app and then it recognized it has like your face and a
0:30:58little home icon if you're at home so the device knows that you're there and
0:31:04also as well like I don't really know too much about this but Adina was doing
0:31:06more of this sort of stuff when you look you can look through video clips and you
0:31:10can train it so you can say who the people are so it starts to learn things
0:31:15and it was pretty cool where one video we had it on playing around with video
0:31:19clip like Adina went over to it and it collected the clip and we saw it in the
0:31:23timeline and it recognized that it was her which I thought was pretty awesome
0:31:26you choose to do this right so you're giving it that information you have a
0:31:31camera which you can view in the app you can just watch it live at any time when
0:31:35it's not in private mode and then there's a view that's always available
0:31:38which shows you your temperature in the house, your air quality in the house and the humidity as well.
0:31:43Which, you know, it's good to know. The temperature stuff is just there, but it's there in case there's a fire, right?
0:31:49Like it recognizes big changes and mainly it's through motion. So if I'm away and something moves, I'll get a push notification
0:31:56which will tell me there's something in the house and then there's a button to press an emergency call or to sound a siren that it has.
0:32:04I really want to press this button, but I haven't yet.
0:32:07Please press the button Myke right now.
0:32:10It's a 90 decibel siren.
0:32:12That's crazy loud.
0:32:13Okay.
0:32:14I'm not pressing the button because it's going to terrify everyone.
0:32:16And the idea of it is it meant to scare people, which I also quite like.
0:32:19So I'm pretty happy with this.
0:32:22They have a great watch app actually.
0:32:24You can change armed, disarmed and private in the watch app.
0:32:27And it also shows you a little picture of the last activity that was recognized.
0:32:31I like that.
0:32:32And it has a good widget on the iPhone, which does the same kind of thing.
0:32:35So I'm pretty happy with this system, I'm happy that I just have something that I can
0:32:39check in on when I'm away.
0:32:41Because I am away quite a lot on trips and stuff and just having something that I can
0:32:45just check in on and make sure everything's okay is good.
0:32:48They have plans that you have, there's like a free plan where I think it keeps the last
0:32:55day or two of footage and then there's a premium plan which I signed up for which is I think
0:33:00like £7 a month or something and it keeps a week of footage.
0:33:05So it uploads stuff that's happening when it's in armed mode or disarmed mode and then
0:33:10you can go through the timeline and see the events.
0:33:12I think it's pretty cool.
0:33:13I like that I have it and this for me is like the start of my Internet of Things type thinking
0:33:20at home.
0:33:21So that's the canary.
0:33:22So what's next for you Myke?
0:33:24What do you wanna have?
0:33:26I wanna get some, I don't know who makes them, but something like some switches that I can
0:33:32control from my iPhone.
0:33:34So I could turn lights on and stuff, like lamps and things like that.
0:33:37Yeah, I was thinking about Wemo actually.
0:33:39But that's probably the next kind of thing that I'm going to look at.
0:33:42There's a couple of HomeKit options also I think.
0:33:46You could consider.
0:33:47I'm thinking like if I get anything like this, then if it's good enough and it has HomeKit,
0:33:52then I probably will go with that because, I don't know, HomeKit feels like a thing.
0:33:59Yeah, it's more of a safe bet, maybe. I don't know.
0:34:03I've been using, since my YTings home camera broke for some reason last year, I've been
0:34:11using the ManyThing service. I think we talked about this before, it lets you use an old
0:34:17iOS device as a security camera. And it works okay. The video quality, of course, it depends
0:34:23on the kind of iPhone that you're using. And they just released version 4 today, which
0:34:28which I've been testing with the beta, it's very, very much an improvement.
0:34:33It's faster, so video is really real time at this point, it's like less than a second
0:34:38of a delay when you're streaming live, and it can record on motion the bunch of new options.
0:34:46So yeah, I'm a happy ManyThings subscriber, but the Canary mic looks really cool.
0:34:52The problem seems to be I cannot buy one from Italy.
0:34:57So yeah, I cannot buy the NESCAM either.
0:35:02For some reason they're not available to us Italians.
0:35:05Is there regulation?
0:35:08That's my only explanation.
0:35:09I don't know.
0:35:10I have no idea, Myke.
0:35:13Because I wonder if mainland continental Europe and the EU stuff like privacy and things might
0:35:20make these companies a little bit more wary.
0:35:23Because if we didn't have it set to private mode, and you don't have to, I think they
0:35:28recommend like Disarmed anyway, it's just recording us moving around the house.
0:35:34It records sounds as well, like when we came in at home one day before it recognised that
0:35:41we were home, it heard us downstairs and recorded the motion.
0:35:46Which is exactly what I want it to do, but in the same vein, I don't necessarily want
0:35:50all of my life uploaded to their system. Yeah. But I like it. I do really like it. I recommend
0:35:57it. It looks really nice. Dan Moran has one and I was asking him about it and he says
0:36:01he thinks it's pretty good. I mean it's not perfect, but it just feels the need that I
0:36:07have, which is I want to check when I'm not at home if my house has burned down or if
0:36:12it's been burgled and that's what it does for me and I like it.
0:36:18So that's the canary. The podcast app has now come to the Apple TV. It has.
0:36:25There was an update, like this is now out, like iOS 9.1.1. Yeah I thought
0:36:30it was gonna be a 9.2 because it was in those betas but then it just
0:36:34dropped publicly yesterday which was strange. It's very much what you
0:36:43expect from the podcast app that Apple ships on iOS? It is really very similar
0:36:49in the way that it's laid out and some of the shortcomings that they have there
0:36:53exist here as well. I don't know, I played with it and I'm not crazy
0:36:58impressed with it, but I'm honestly not crazy impressed with what Apple
0:37:03does in their first party app anyways. So I played around with it a little bit before we
0:37:09well, on the air today. And I like the way it looks. It's very good-looking. It's very
0:37:17nice when you're browsing. The artwork is massive. I really love seeing our shows on
0:37:22my TV, right? The artwork for our shows on my TV is real nice. When you select a show
0:37:28and go into the episodes, like it does that thing where it like pulls out the accent color
0:37:32and makes the screen a color. Again, I really like that. And the app is kind of okay but
0:37:38weird in a lot of places. One thing that I noticed is that if you leave the app, the
0:37:42audio keeps playing, which is great, that's kind of what you want. If you hit the pause
0:37:46button, it pauses. If you hit the pause button again, nothing happens. You have to go back
0:37:49into the app to resume playback. It's really difficult to find the scrubber. You have to
0:37:58kind of go into the Now Playing screen, then click the middle button, then move down, and
0:38:04then you can move the scrubber around like it just seems really weird and a
0:38:07lot of the time it's hidden which doesn't make sense like the now playing
0:38:10screen initially you go to it's just the artwork and you have to do things to get
0:38:14the scrubber up. Steven, in your piece you mentioned about iCloud sync not
0:38:19working as well which for playback position which seems kind of weird that
0:38:23you would have like at least now anyway I think you'd have this right system it
0:38:27doesn't work and I know why it doesn't work because Apple doesn't have a server
0:38:30infrastructure built around podcasts. So it's not gonna work. So if you're 15
0:38:37minutes into Cortex and you sit your phone down and pick it up on your TV, you
0:38:41have to go figure out how to scrub to get to that 15 minute mark. Yeah. But the
0:38:46scrubbing I think is a problem. Actually the initial article I put up
0:38:50said you couldn't scrub because I played with it for 25 minutes and couldn't find
0:38:53it. I wouldn't have found it unless I would have seen people telling you how
0:38:57to find it. Yeah some people blew me up about it but it's only
0:39:02available on Now Playing and that's really like I agree with you it looks
0:39:06nice especially like it's nice seeing our artwork really big on the TV but the
0:39:11fact that you've got to go to certain screens to do certain things makes less
0:39:14sense on the TV than it does on iOS like if you're on my podcast and you know I'm
0:39:20on the Cortex page listening to episode of Cortex I can see with some fiddling I
0:39:25I can see the description and everything,
0:39:27but why isn't it scrubbing there as well?
0:39:29Why do I have to back out two screens and then over three
0:39:33to go do something like that,
0:39:36where the Apple TV interface is obviously
0:39:40much bigger than the phone, but you have a remote.
0:39:43You can do more stuff than what you can do
0:39:45on a single iPhone screen, and it is still very locked
0:39:49to that sort of feeling that it's on a phone.
0:39:52really feels like more like a port than than anything else you know the the
0:39:57video stuff on the Apple TV like the TV and the movie shows there TV shows and
0:40:02movies there are problems with those apps on the Apple TV but at least they
0:40:05feel like they were built for the Apple TV and they're not just a straight port
0:40:11of the video app from the iPad but the podcast that feels like it didn't really
0:40:15get a lot of attention it just kind of got shoved out the door so it was there
0:40:20and I hope they improve it, like I'm glad it's there, but for a 1.0 it's got some issues.
0:40:27Yeah. I haven't turned down my Apple TV in weeks, maybe. I wanted to try it again a couple
0:40:35of days ago. I went to my TV station, let's call it that. I saw that the HDMI cable was
0:40:44disconnected from the Apple TV because I've been doing some rearranging with my video
0:40:49again consoles and it was too much work to find another cable and I just gave up.
0:40:53So that's my follow-up on Apple TV. I've been using I think about my Apple TV
0:41:01about three or four times a week which is like three or four times a week more
0:41:07than I expected I would. For what? I watch, so when I eat my lunch I usually
0:41:14in the front room, the living room, which is a different room right so I'm
0:41:17I'm actually moving around the house.
0:41:20And that's where the Apple TV is set up with the big TV.
0:41:23And I watch YouTube videos on it.
0:41:26I watch Netflix stuff on it.
0:41:28That tends to be what I do with it.
0:41:29Or I like AirPlay things to it.
0:41:31That's my main use case for the Apple TV.
0:41:34And it works pretty well.
0:41:35The YouTube app's nice.
0:41:37It's fine.
0:41:38And I'm watching things on the TV
0:41:39instead of just on my iPad all the time.
0:41:42I mean, it's a thing.
0:41:43It does a good job.
0:41:44And I watch a lot of streaming stuff on it.
0:41:46and it works fine.
0:41:48The one last thing about the podcast
0:41:51that which I thought was hilarious,
0:41:52I activated Siri and said,
0:41:54"Can you please play the Cortex podcast?"
0:41:56And it just popped up and said,
0:41:58"I can't help you with podcasts on your Apple TV."
0:42:01Like, what's wrong, why?
0:42:03Like this is so, this is like,
0:42:05the Apple TV is so half-baked
0:42:10in basically every direction.
0:42:12Nothing feels finished on the Apple TV, like nothing.
0:42:16Why can't I search for podcasts? You know, I'm doing it right when I gave that command it capitalized
0:42:23podcasts so it knew what I was asking for
0:42:26but it didn't do anything with it and
0:42:29Siri can do it on the phone
0:42:32So why can't my Apple TV do it? I just don't understand
0:42:36I really cannot understand you created a hardware button for this and it can't search
0:42:43Most of the stuff that I have all use
0:42:46I don't get it. Very peculiar to me. Yeah it really seems like you know there were
0:42:53stories when the Apple TV showed up that the software had been done for a while
0:42:57and then like the whole thing maybe sat while they were trying to run around and
0:43:01get content deals and you get you kind of can't help but think that like a
0:43:06small team got the podcast app together and then it's just disjointed from the
0:43:11rest of the product. That's really like the word I keep coming back to like I
0:43:15I like the Apple TV, it's a huge improvement
0:43:17of the old one, we use ours every day.
0:43:19But it really feels disjointed in places like that
0:43:23where Siri meets an individual app
0:43:26or some of the app management stuff,
0:43:28like they're changing in the beta
0:43:30the way the multitasking switcher works and looks.
0:43:33Like, A, who knew there was a multitasking switcher
0:43:35on their TV, like no one.
0:43:37Because it's just like, it's all just disjointed and funky
0:43:40and there doesn't seem to be like one cohesive approach
0:43:44of this stuff. Like the buttons don't even make sense. Like menu and TV button.
0:43:51They barely make any sense as to the way that they're set up.
0:43:55And even Apple's own apps look and work in such different ways that it really feels
0:44:01like there's a group of small teams or even individuals working on this as
0:44:05opposed to some big cohesive push. And I hope they can tighten it up. I for one
0:44:11like, I like podcasts on the TV, like even last night spending time with it, you know,
0:44:16listening to a show on the TV was nice, and I hope that third-party apps show up now for
0:44:21this because I think it's a good use case and obviously someone who's highly invested
0:44:25in the podcast industry, I'm glad they're there, visibility is good, but it could be
0:44:30so much better and hopefully third parties will step in and round this offering out.
0:44:36Like I love the overall UI design of the Apple TV, I think it's stunning to look at and like
0:44:41What did I call that thing with the motion?
0:44:43What is that called?
0:44:44The focus engine.
0:44:45Focus engine.
0:44:46It's fantastic.
0:44:47But it's like they really put a lot of work into the design, but like the functionality
0:44:52and the experience still requires a lot of work.
0:44:57So, I've been thinking about this.
0:45:00About why I'm not so excited maybe about the Apple TV as other people are.
0:45:07Call me old-fashioned, but maybe the reason why is I
0:45:11Just want my smart TV whether it's from Apple from Samsung or Google
0:45:17to be as simple and as traditional as my
0:45:22Normal Italian TV, which is at 1 p.m. There's the news at 8 p.m. There's the news and
0:45:32and at 2pm there's The Simpsons, and I just need to hit 5 or 6 and my TV turns on.
0:45:39And I can watch the news or just... I don't necessarily watch TV as much as I leave TV in the background.
0:45:46It's sort of like a fireplace really, it keeps me company.
0:45:50Especially when we're eating, me and Sylvia, we don't necessarily pay attention to the news.
0:45:55But it's nice to have that sort of background and every once in a while we can just glance up
0:46:00and comment on whatever's going on, you know? And all these modern TVs, they're all
0:46:06just streaming and apps and games and that's great. But I just want to have... it's like
0:46:12a really... it feels like home to me to be able to say "oh it's 8 p.m. there's the
0:46:18news". And I think it's a very Italian thing that a lot of other Italian people
0:46:22can relate to and I guess it's different if you don't live in Italy. But you know
0:46:26at 8 p.m. there's the news on channel 5 or channel 1 and all these modern TVs
0:46:33they don't give you that experience. So when you have... Do you have digital TV in Italy or is it still an analog signal?
0:46:38It is digital but it's still mapped to these traditional channels you know
0:46:43there's the national television it's channel 1 2 3 and there's a bunch of
0:46:48extra ones and then there's like the Berlusconi TV basically which is channel
0:46:525, 6 and other ones that you can pay for. But really it's a very communal traditional
0:47:02thing to do and all these modern devices don't let me do that so that's why maybe I'm lukewarm
0:47:09when it comes to trying them. It's a different TV experience and it's less
0:47:14less kind of eloquent and choosing and more like you get what you get.
0:47:21Maybe I think the Xbox One tried to have the kind of a "you can have your TV signal come
0:47:29in and we do an interface for you" and that would have been nice on the Apple TV but I
0:47:33cannot do that. I actually would love that, you know, to be able to have the great UI
0:47:39of the Apple TV, which I love, but the traditional digital TV stream signal coming. Yeah.
0:47:46Yeah, I get it.
0:47:48Still, podcasts! That's great news, I guess.
0:47:53I didn't test video podcasts, but I assume that they work.
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0:50:03iPhone 5 SE. Me and Jason were talking about this on upgrade yesterday but I'm really interested
0:50:10to know what you guys think about this potential new iPhone 5, the special edition. Steven,
0:50:18does the name invoke some kind of beautiful nostalgia for you or no it didn't for Jason?
0:50:25- Yeah, I mean, the SE, of course, was a gray Mac,
0:50:29of which I have two, I think.
0:50:31But-- - Yeah, of course.
0:50:33- You know, one doesn't work.
0:50:34One actually, last time I powered it on,
0:50:36blew up a little bit, it's fine.
0:50:38All the smoke came out.
0:50:39- iPhones do that sometimes.
0:50:42- Do they? - Probably.
0:50:44- So, I mean, the bigger thing with the name for me,
0:50:47like, the 5SE is fine, whatever,
0:50:50but my big question about this product is,
0:50:55this a small iPhone 6s or is it a updated iPhone 5s and the difference I
0:51:02think really is in not only the way Apple treats it but the way that is
0:51:07potentially viewed so the latest rumor says it's gonna have a 9 and m9 chip
0:51:11with Siri and Apple pay and and and my photos all the stuff that we've come to
0:51:17expect from the iPhone 6s and 6s plus but in a in a case that looks not
0:51:24unlike the 5S, maybe with some design tweaks.
0:51:28But that phone's gonna look old,
0:51:31and that's with the 6S being now,
0:51:35with the 7, assuming around the corner,
0:51:37I think it's really gonna look old.
0:51:39And is that Apple's way of punishing people
0:51:42who buy smaller phones?
0:51:43Like it just, the case designation
0:51:46and the name designation makes it feel older than it is.
0:51:49And I wonder why Apple's doing that.
0:51:51And if people are gonna notice,
0:51:53or if people are going to care about that.
0:51:56Because a lot of phone buying, not the way we buy phones,
0:51:59'cause we buy phones in the middle of the night
0:52:02with the Apple Store app, but a lot of people
0:52:05go into a store and buy a phone,
0:52:07and it is something that Samsung and other phone
0:52:11manufacturers have really done well at,
0:52:13making their phones look good in stores,
0:52:14and Apple's caught up with that.
0:52:16But if you go and you're looking at these phones
0:52:19and you see this old one that looks like the phone
0:52:21you already have, then I just wonder if it's gonna be
0:52:25a compelling purchase.
0:52:26Like take Adina for example, she has a 5S I believe
0:52:29and would assumely want to upgrade, I think is what you
0:52:34and Jason spoke about, Myke.
0:52:35But if it looks the same as her old phone,
0:52:39that's a thing, that's a thing people care about.
0:52:41And that is a very curious choice.
0:52:45- I wonder with this device if the issue is gonna be that.
0:52:49I agree with you that like a fundamental level people want new things, but the five inch
0:52:55phone exists because people have small hands, right? Or they have preferences for small
0:53:01devices. Like that's why like Apple is not getting rid of it and they're not saying to
0:53:06people, oh, you have to go to the big phones and above. Is it five inch or four inch? It's
0:53:11five inch, right?
0:53:12Five inch, yeah.
0:53:13So I would say that it exists now because there is a need for people who want a smaller phone or need a smaller phone.
0:53:22So if they do anything to update it, it's better, right?
0:53:25And it's just kind of like I'm not buying this because I love the way it looks. I'm not buying this because it's brand new.
0:53:30No, wait. It's a four inch iPhone.
0:53:32It's definitely four inch. Thank you. I knew I was saying something wrong.
0:53:36Yeah, it's an iPhone 5 size, but it's a four inch iPhone.
0:53:40You just get me Apple every time I put in your numbers.
0:53:45So the 4 inch phone as we have established, because those people need that phone is a
0:53:54like function over form scenario for them, right?
0:53:58It's like I don't like the way this looks, this looks old, but I need a new phone because
0:54:03mine is slow or the battery's crapped out or you know I want these new features like
0:54:09Apple Pay in my phone and the only choice that I have is the small one so as long as
0:54:15they do and what I expect we're going to have here is some small cosmetic tweaks. The way
0:54:19that I envision this is the back of it is the iPhone 5, the front of it is curved glass
0:54:25right they just get rid of the chamfer on the front. That's kind of how I imagine this
0:54:29thing looking and that's just kind of what it is and it's like this is the phone for
0:54:34the people that need that and they'll just keep making that for as long as they want
0:54:37to. Yeah I mean I agree with you that I think that does make a bit of sense
0:54:45especially from the technology and sort of infrastructure standpoint that Apple
0:54:49cares so much about from the operations standpoint I think it makes sense and I
0:54:55think that day I think the danger is though I think I think people like us
0:54:59are guilty of this people who spend time you know the tech press it is really
0:55:05easy for us to sort of write off people who want a smaller phone with people who have
0:55:12no desire for the latest and greatest. So take somebody who wants a small phone, it's
0:55:18easy to write that consumer off as someone who just...
0:55:22They're stuck in their ways. Yeah, or doesn't like, "Oh, it's fine. Maybe
0:55:29they're still holding onto a 4 or something." And that's why that may be true for some people,
0:55:34not true for everyone and I think that's a box you can put people in they don't
0:55:39deserve because their decision-making isn't that way. There are people who just
0:55:43want a smaller phone and I'd like that Apple is saying you know or that this
0:55:49rumor is saying at least that this phone will be modern at least for a while and
0:55:54that you know they go with an A8 it's already going to be a year behind and
0:55:59September to be two years behind so I like that it is to a degree modern but I
0:56:04think they could push that further and really release a 6s mini or whatever you
0:56:09want to call it where it is the it is modern in the design and the spec but it
0:56:17is smaller and I think if they really want to push that they could update it
0:56:21yearly like I have no doubt the 5se is gonna go you know another year and a
0:56:25and a half or two years without being updated
0:56:26because even Apple has a tendency to put people
0:56:29who want a smaller phone, to put them behind the technology.
0:56:34You can still go buy a four inch phone now, but it's old.
0:56:37And they have not proven that they're unwilling
0:56:42to break those two things apart.
0:56:44And I just, that always comes up in my mind
0:56:47in thinking about this, that there are people
0:56:49who want something modern and new and powerful,
0:56:52but also small.
0:56:53And I think the answer there is a success mini
0:56:57where they have a new four inch, 4.7, and 5.5 every year.
0:57:02And yes, it's a lot of phones and a lot of SKUs
0:57:04and Apple already has a lot of phones and a lot of SKUs,
0:57:07but if the demand is there, then why not?
0:57:10And maybe the demand's not there,
0:57:12Apple knows better than I do, of course,
0:57:13but it's something to think about, I think.
0:57:16- I agree completely with that.
0:57:17- Yeah, yeah.
0:57:18Because you're kind of putting people who want a smaller phone into a box, right?
0:57:25And you're like, you guys are behind now, you will always be behind.
0:57:28And it's kind of like a weird exclusionary thing.
0:57:32When the reason people like those phones is because you made them in the first place.
0:57:37You made your phones that size, you made the decision to go larger.
0:57:40And then you recognize that there is a market for it because you keep trying new things, right?
0:57:46This isn't the 5C2, this is a brand new thing from what it looks like.
0:57:50So keep trying new things, I know the market's there, but whilst this is a better step forward
0:57:56potentially than the 5C was because it was basically just we're gonna put another colour
0:58:01on it, right?
0:58:03They're actually putting some new technology into this thing.
0:58:06It's still not up to date and basically this will be out for like four or five months maybe
0:58:12before they show off the 7 which will have whatever new stuff it has and then
0:58:16the 5 SE doesn't even have false touch right it's like behind behind behind
0:58:21the only counter argument I can think about is whether if Apple were to decide
0:58:26to go with three iPhones every year if maybe innovation would be slowed down by
0:58:33having to come up with ways to offer the same features in the smaller iPhone
0:58:36makes sense makes sense or it would just end up getting completely confusing
0:58:40right? Because they'd be like "well we can't do this in this one so this feature is only..."
0:58:43Yeah, so I see that that thinking. Because in an ideal world it would be "okay, it's the same iPhone,
0:58:49every single model does the same things, you just need to pick a size."
0:58:53Yeah, because I mean we've seen that that's already the case, right? They can't put optical image stabilization in the 6.
0:58:58Yeah. Because for whatever reason, so... It's already not possible, and I cannot imagine with another iPhone
0:59:07how much the differences would increase. So, ideally it would be great. In practice,
0:59:13history kind of proves us wrong. So I guess we'll see
0:59:17what happens. I don't understand the 5SC name.
0:59:21I like it. Special edition. I feel like I'm in a real small club in the fact that I like this name.
0:59:27Yes, you are. Yeah, it's one of my weirdness things. Yes, you should make a sticker about that.
0:59:34Really, iPhone 6S mini would just make more sense to me, but maybe Myke will be right once again.
0:59:41Well, the fact that they're calling it the 5SE tells me that it's gonna look a lot like the 5.
0:59:46But did you see the leaked picture?
0:59:49That's... no way that's real.
0:59:50It's... there was a photo 9 to 5 Mac about basically a small iPhone 6S.
0:59:58What I found interesting is that I saw someone on Twitter, maybe it was Abdel Ibrahim, he
1:00:06found a picture that the same guy that shared this iPhone 5SE picture a couple of years
1:00:15ago also shared a leaked photo of the first iPad Air.
1:00:20So I don't know.
1:00:23Yeah I mean my problem with that picture is I don't know why they would move the power
1:00:26button to the side on a on a 4-inch phone. Yeah. Yeah. Either way it's
1:00:32interesting and we really haven't seen Apple blend designs before. Like if this
1:00:38is what's going on the closest thing we've seen is the 5C which was kind of
1:00:44like the 5 and then kind of like 3G 3GS you know it's ideas from both but. If this
1:00:52picture is correct then Apple's marketing team need to try and understand why they're
1:00:57calling this a 5SE. Yeah that's why I told you that. If this is a real photo that doesn't
1:01:04make any sense at all because it looks just like the 6 it's even got the lines the antenna
1:01:11lines designed the same that that would be insanity right like why would they be doing
1:01:17that. If that's the case, I really need a good reason for why this is the 5SE and not
1:01:23the 6 mini or something else. Or just call it like the 6SE or the 6C or whatever you
1:01:29want to call it. That doesn't make any sense to me because what does the 6 have that is
1:01:36more than the 5? What does the iPhone 6 have? It has curved glass, right? It has Apple Pay.
1:01:43What else does it have feature wise?
1:01:44Umm... Better camera?
1:01:48Yeah, right, and they're saying there's gonna be a better camera in it, right?
1:01:50Yeah, I mean the Force Touch stuff on the new ones.
1:01:54Yeah, but that's what I mean, so that's why you wouldn't call it like the 6S Mini, you call it the 6 Mini.
1:01:58I just cannot understand why would Apple introduce the
1:02:03iPhone 5 design again in 2016.
1:02:06It just seems odd to me. That is a good point.
1:02:10This is starting to become a little bit more confusing
1:02:14than I had initially bargained on.
1:02:19Now I don't understand what's going on.
1:02:21I can't work this out.
1:02:22Because there doesn't really seem to be any route that this kind of makes sense.
1:02:28If you bring it out and it looks like the 6, why are you calling it the 5?
1:02:31And if it looks like the 5, why are you still making that?
1:02:36Because the 5c was different.
1:02:39So why are you not going down that route?
1:02:41Why are you going back to the way the 5 looked?
1:02:42Alright, okay. Part of me still kind of wants a 5C, like I still see those colors sometimes.
1:02:48Oh, I love it. I love the design of that thing. I'm surprised, Stephen, that you don't own
1:02:54all of the colors on the 5C. Yeah, that is a surprise. I own zero old iPhones. I always
1:02:58sell them to bankroll the new ones. You've been slacking. I know. See, you're going to
1:03:01regret that because you're buying all these old iPods now. You already had the iPhone
1:03:05collection and you're just letting them go. Ten years from now you will be making old
1:03:10the iPhone purchases on eBay and you will regret the fact that you didn't keep them
1:03:15around right now. It's true. I've had this exact train of thought, gentlemen. I bet you
1:03:19had it with the iPods too, though, right? Like, I bet you had all the ones and you got
1:03:23rid of them. I only had a handful of iPods. I mean, I had the third gen and then the fifth
1:03:27gen and then the classic, basically. So, you know, I just bought a YouTube iPod because
1:03:31reasons, and I never owned one of those. That's one of those things that I pushed you to buy.
1:03:37should make a video about it!" Yeah, yeah that's that's my new excuse. I was making
1:03:42video out of it so that's what I've told Andrew. Gotta say man, that
1:03:46Harry Potter one, that like instantly blew a memory back into my brain. That
1:03:52Harry Potter collector's iPod. Yeah. My brain, like it was locked away somewhere
1:03:57in there and as soon as I saw that image it's like "oh I remember that!" I had
1:04:02totally forgotten about it and I sent Jason, so sometimes I run this stuff by
1:04:06Jason because he was around doing adult things and all this stuff happened and
1:04:10he didn't have any recollection of it either and then someone replied to my
1:04:15blog post about like all these crazy signature editions for a while you'd
1:04:20have like Madonna signature I remember that too engraved mm-hmm craziness the
1:04:26Harry Potter iPod is nowhere to be found it dear listener if you have one and
1:04:32even if you would let me photograph it please let me know because I like to get
1:04:36hands on one and they are I mean I've looked high and low since discovering
1:04:41that this was a thing and you're not gonna find it I can't imagine they sold
1:04:44many of them like they really don't sell like eight or nine months best I can
1:04:49tell it's actually really hard to tell from the wayback machine when they
1:04:52stopped being for sale but not very long I don't think they did very well but
1:04:57anyway so there's only condition it's about that so yeah so I guess we will
1:05:02see soon enough if the iPhone 5 SE is real, maybe it'll have a Harry Potter edition, you
1:05:09never know. iPhone 5 Harry Potter, iPhone 5 HP. Maybe there's going, no you gotta think
1:05:15about modern trends, maybe there will be like a Snapchat edition of the new iPhone. Or like
1:05:21a... What are the kids into these days? What's the deal with Harry Potter? I don't know,
1:05:25you see me and Steven both are like, "uh, couldn't think of anything." I don't know,
1:05:29I don't know what are the kids like? They like their... I don't know.
1:05:32Star Wars.
1:05:33Star Wars.
1:05:34I-Crafts.
1:05:35Drugs.
1:05:36Their mockingjay? What is it? Hunger Games?
1:05:37Hunger Games.
1:05:38I like that Steven said drugs.
1:05:42Alright, yep. iPhone 5 Ecstasy Edition.
1:05:46Wow.
1:05:48You started it. What do you want me to do?
1:05:51So who's been DJing here?
1:05:53Oh GarageBand! Yeah.
1:05:55Speaking of clubbing and you know that sort of thing.
1:05:59Drugs. Apple have been a bit crazy so far this year right? Like they're doing a bunch
1:06:04of like really weird things. Like we had the beta and then there's like oh randomly on
1:06:12one weekday here is a massive update to GarageBand which we showed you a long time ago and a new
1:06:18little weird app called Music Melos. Yeah. So I was totally not expecting this so last
1:06:24This week was on Wednesday, maybe?
1:06:27There was this new app called Music Memos.
1:06:30I still get confused, I want to call it Music Notes.
1:06:33But it's called Music Memos.
1:06:34It's really a combination of voice memos.
1:06:36Music Notes is a way better name.
1:06:38Yes.
1:06:39And basically lets you record a quick musical idea.
1:06:44Apple recommends that you either play an acoustic guitar or the piano.
1:06:49And then it'll save your idea.
1:06:52You can tag it, you can organize it, you can export it, share it.
1:06:56But the main feature would be you can have bass and drum lines automatically placed by
1:07:04the app on top of your track.
1:07:07So it feels like you can get an idea of what the song would sound like in a studio.
1:07:12And the app does that by having an intelligent system that recognizes the beat and the chords
1:07:18and the tempo and all of that and then uses the drummer and the best player basically.
1:07:24Here's my thing about this app, right? This is really cool. The features seem really awesome.
1:07:32But this is about as niche as you can get, right? This isn't just people that like music or make
1:07:41music. This is for people that write songs. It is an app built by Apple. It is a first party
1:07:48application for people who write music. That is so peculiar. Like Garageband is like, has
1:07:56a bunch of different things you can do, it's fun to play with, right? You can give it to
1:07:59a kid and it's like, play the guitar! It's just like whatever, you can play the keyboard.
1:08:04This is like a specifically built application so you can write music.
1:08:08Yeah, I mean after Music Memos, I feel it's legitimate to wonder when Apple will make
1:08:14blogger memos or Twitter drafts.
1:08:19- It's funny, but like, why not?
1:08:22Like you're entering into this niche,
1:08:23why not other niches, right?
1:08:26- It looks to me like one of those passion projects
1:08:29from Apple that someone really wanted to do.
1:08:31And especially, I'm pretty sure
1:08:34that since the Taylor Swift and Ryan Adams interview
1:08:39from last year, when they both said we use the Notes app
1:08:44to voice memos on our iPhones to save new song ideas.
1:08:48Someone must have noticed, because the interview was
1:08:51pretty much going around on Twitter and blogs.
1:08:54- That's a good call.
1:08:55- Someone must have noticed, and they were like,
1:08:58let's make this like a small project,
1:09:01and it'll make people happy, it'll be useful,
1:09:04we can put it on the App Store, it's not a built-in app,
1:09:07and we'll see what happens.
1:09:08Worst case scenario, it's gonna be like the old cards app,
1:09:14that Steven loved. Man, I used that cars app a bunch. Like that was so great for Christmas.
1:09:18Did you really? Yeah. I would, that's how I would send like birthday and Christmas cards
1:09:23to relatives. Wow. You've always been that guy. It's so easy, right? Like I could upload
1:09:31a picture of me and like my brothers or whatever and I could send a letter pressed card for
1:09:37like £3 to my grandma. Nice. I worked with a guy for a long time and he and I would just
1:09:43send each other cards like just randomly.
1:09:46- It's a dream job right there.
1:09:48- Like I sent him one, we were in a meeting
1:09:51and I took a picture of him without him,
1:09:52like you know, like sneaky cam,
1:09:54and then I mailed it to him sometimes.
1:09:57I think it is niche, but I think that that's fine.
1:10:01Like I think Apple, there's a long history of Apple
1:10:04caring about music and I think that
1:10:07they've lost some ground there a little bit,
1:10:11especially in the music industry maybe,
1:10:14to some other tools and utilities.
1:10:16I think they want to be the place
1:10:19where you go to create whatever,
1:10:21and not just in the studio,
1:10:23but the idea of Music Memos is
1:10:25you're banging out a song idea on a guitar
1:10:27just in your kitchen or whatever,
1:10:29and it's real low friction, easy to use.
1:10:32I think that's great.
1:10:34I think it's great.
1:10:36It's not, for me, I don't have that need,
1:10:38but it's for people who do,
1:10:40I think it's gonna be a pretty valuable tool.
1:10:42I mean, even just seeing people on Twitter,
1:10:44follow musicians talking about this,
1:10:46like, I really do just use voice memos
1:10:49and now I can get all this extra stuff.
1:10:51And I think that's great.
1:10:53I think I do have concern, like the cards thing
1:10:57where small iOS applications written by Apple,
1:11:00even small Mac apps written by Apple,
1:11:02have a tendency to collect dust.
1:11:04This one guy was really passionate and wrote it
1:11:07and then he got transferred or went to Google or something.
1:11:10- Maybe the Music Memos guy will become a musician
1:11:14and he will leave Apple because of Music Memos.
1:11:18Will help him write the next hit song.
1:11:21Remember when Apple made a poker game for the App Store?
1:11:27Good times.
1:11:30- They had it on the iPods before that, it was great.
1:11:32Yeah, so that sort of thing, right?
1:11:34these little projects generally don't do super well
1:11:39at Apple long term, so that's always a concern.
1:11:42It's always what I think about,
1:11:43they release these one-off apps of like,
1:11:45this is gonna be really cool for two years,
1:11:46and then iOS 11 and the iPhone 8 will break it,
1:11:50and game over.
1:11:52But until then, or maybe forever,
1:11:56I think this is a great tool if you need it.
1:11:59So yeah, I think it's exciting to see them
1:12:01do little projects like this.
1:12:03I think it's great.
1:12:04GarageBand.
1:12:07So the big thing here, aside from kind of UI refresh and stuff like that,
1:12:12is something called Live Loops.
1:12:15Can one of you succinctly explain what Live Loops is?
1:12:18I cannot. I really don't understand what's going on.
1:12:22I tried it. I don't know what's going on.
1:12:23I played with it and it's really amazing.
1:12:26Right? You can choose different music styles
1:12:29and then it presents you with a bunch of just preset loops.
1:12:33and you can play them at any time,
1:12:36so you can just click them and change the loops
1:12:38that you wanna play and kind of build a strange song
1:12:41and add more in and it, there was an app many years ago,
1:12:45it's probably still around that I played with
1:12:48called Fruity Loops.
1:12:49Have you ever heard of Fruity Loops?
1:12:53- I think so.
1:12:54I've played with similar apps like this,
1:12:56maybe that was one of them.
1:12:57- It's like an application just like this.
1:13:00it has like loops and you can just put them in little blocks and make a song out of it.
1:13:07Right, so what's special about this in GarageBand is that Apple is doing all the heavy lifting to ensure that everything stays in time with each other.
1:13:18So you can drag new drum kits or drum machines or, you know,
1:13:23all the whole library of loops basically.
1:13:28And you can change the pitch and the speed and everything
1:13:31and you can rearrange them
1:13:32and you can select different ones.
1:13:34But GarageBand itself is making sure
1:13:37that everything plays in time
1:13:38and to keep it all in the same beat.
1:13:40And so you can really experiment with the sound itself
1:13:43and not have to necessarily know a lot about,
1:13:46you know, the time signature or something else in the song
1:13:48where GarageBand just handles it for you, which is fun.
1:13:51I mean, I played around with it with my oldest son, actually.
1:13:54- The drum and bass mode is amazing.
1:13:57- Yeah, and it's, like it is fun.
1:13:59Like, you know, there's a learning curve
1:14:04to a lot of stuff in GarageBand,
1:14:06especially in Logic, but not with this,
1:14:08because you're literally just dragging boxes around
1:14:10and like turning them on and off.
1:14:12And it's just a fun way to put something together
1:14:16and I'm not gonna write the next EDM hit in here,
1:14:21but it's fun to play with,
1:14:23and I think, like music, I think that's great.
1:14:26Apple's good at making this stuff simple
1:14:28and quite honestly fun to use.
1:14:31- Steven, you can totally be the next Skrillex.
1:14:35Just put together some sound effects
1:14:37from the sounds of the old Mackintoshes,
1:14:41and have some dubstep effects,
1:14:45and you can write a dubstep Macintosh song.
1:14:50- Yeah, a long time ago before Myke fired me from this,
1:14:53I used to do all the, or a lot of the intro music
1:14:56to our podcast, and so if you go way back
1:14:59and listen to some of that stuff,
1:15:01including the prompting music,
1:15:02that's also fine in GarageBand,
1:15:03because all I know how to make in GarageBand is techno.
1:15:06- I was gonna say, the reason you don't do it anymore
1:15:08is 'cause we don't need techno everywhere.
1:15:11If I need a techno song, I'll come to you.
1:15:13So there's that. Last thing today, because me and Federico have to talk about this. Yes,
1:15:22game do Crashlands. Oh my god. Crashlands came out this week. It's on iOS, it's on Android,
1:15:28it's on Windows, it's on the Mac. First thing, which is amazing, is the game, like process,
1:15:36syncs across all of those platforms. Yep. It's a company called Butterscotch Studio,
1:15:41Butterscotch shenanigans and they have created their own syncing service.
1:15:47Which is just first off as incredible same game on all platforms.
1:15:51It is a story driven crafting RPG.
1:15:59That's the way it's described.
1:16:00Crafting actual RPG I would say.
1:16:02There is like you tap to move around your character, you fight things by tapping on
1:16:07them you collect resources you can use those resources to craft things there
1:16:11are like paths and missions that you have to go on and it's written so well
1:16:17it's really funny it looks fantastic I am addicted to crash lands. I was telling
1:16:24Myke I have a problem I think Myke has to it's a good problem the game is
1:16:29fantastic. It has like a progress thing I've played the game for 11 and a half
1:16:33hours since it came out on Friday morning.
1:16:39I want to explain why this game grabs me so much.
1:16:45I feel like whenever I heard it's a crafting game in the past, I've always been kind of
1:16:53skeptical because when I think of crafting, and of course Minecraft comes to mind, but
1:16:58also games like Terraria or on iOS I'm pretty sure it was Junk Jack maybe. Whenever I hear
1:17:05crafting I think about this inscrutable interface, I don't understand what's going on, and
1:17:13the game just drops me in this procedurally generated land and it's like "ok, whatever,
1:17:20you're on your own, we don't give you any instructions, you gotta figure out on your
1:17:25own. You can craft items and once you figure it out it's pretty great, but for now we don't
1:17:31care. And so when I started playing Minecraft, it's a huge success, but it's probably not
1:17:39necessarily for me because my, you know, I got to work, I got a lot of stuff to do, I'm
1:17:44a busy person, and Myke of course is probably busier than me, and it's always a problem
1:17:51when games like that, at least for me, don't give me anything to get started.
1:17:57I don't want to say that the game plays itself for me, but to have a guide, to have a story,
1:18:04or to have boundaries, to have constraints, helps me move forward, because I feel like
1:18:10I can make sense of the game.
1:18:11And in Crashlands, it's exactly that.
1:18:15So it's not a... they don't unlock the entire world for you right away.
1:18:21You have constraints with the story, with the items that you can craft, but there's
1:18:27a sense of progress.
1:18:29And this game speaks to the RPG fan in me because it shows me progress for my character.
1:18:37It allows me to craft better items that have a direct measurable effect, thanks to statistics
1:18:43and numbers. And what I like about the crafting is it shows you exactly what you need to make
1:18:49it and you can even track it on the screen so as you're walking around the world you
1:18:52know when you've got enough. In terms of mechanics and interface and map design this game is
1:19:01essentially perfect I would say for my taste because the crafting is exactly what I want
1:19:06it to be. It tells me what I need, it tells me if it's a resource which kind of items
1:19:12drop that specific resource, but then it's up to me to explore and collect and do the
1:19:16actual job. But the interface tells me what I have to do. And so if you've always been
1:19:24kind of put off by the idea of a crafting game because it takes too much effort or too
1:19:28much time, I seriously recommend playing Crashlands. Because it tells you what you need to do,
1:19:34but then it's up to you and you have freedom, you know, to wander around like I did for
1:19:38two days to ignore the story, do sub quests or just care about the items and the killing
1:19:46enemies. But there's some constraints that help you not waste any more time and not have
1:19:53this huge obstacle which is this huge game in front of you. It's more of a gentle guide
1:20:00and it just plays with my brain so well.
1:20:05superb. And I love playing it on my iPad with the pencil because it's like a game where
1:20:10you tap things. Playing with the pencil is brilliant. Love this game.
1:20:15I'm really excited about this game. It's a paid game on the iOS app store.
1:20:21£3.99 or something like that in pounds.
1:20:23There's no, at least that I can see, no in-app purchases.
1:20:26Nope, none.
1:20:27So it's a paid game, old school. Maybe the only downside is that there's no support for
1:20:34game controllers for now? Maybe? Could be? I see that the guys are working on an update.
1:20:41It's like a tap to click game, right? Game controller support might not be that comfortable.
1:20:45Yeah, if they ever do a traditional analog stick control system, I'm sure they will consider the idea.
1:20:51But, you know, it's in the top charts of the App Store, lots of people are liking it.
1:20:56There's already a lot of Let's Play videos on YouTube, if you want to get an idea, go to YouTube and search for
1:21:02or Clashlands let's play. But yeah, currently it is my jam as people would say.
1:21:09Me too. You just gotta try it because it's amazing.
1:21:12Yes.
1:21:13If you want to find the show notes for this week's episode head on over to relay.fm/connected/75
1:21:19If you want to find us online, there's a few places you can do that.
1:21:22You can find Federico over at maxlories.net
1:21:25You can find Steven at 512pixels.net
1:21:27And sometimes I'm at mikewasright.com
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1:21:34Federico's Apertici B-I-T-I-C-C-I.
1:21:36Steven is @ismh and I am iMyke, I-M-Y-K-E.
1:21:40Thanks again to Ministry of Supply and Igloo for sponsoring this week's episode.
1:21:44Most of all, thank you for listening.
1:21:46Until then, say goodbye guys.
1:21:48Arrivederci.
1:21:49Adios.