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0:00:07From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 37. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,
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0:00:24My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net,
0:00:29the one and only Italian stallion that is Mr Federico Vittigi.
0:00:33Hey Myke.
0:00:34How you doing?
0:00:35I'm okay, how are you?
0:00:36I am very well sir, I am very well indeed.
0:00:38All the better for speaking to you guys today, I'm very excited about today's show.
0:00:42We also have with us the grand poobah of 512pixels.net, Mr Steven Hackett.
0:00:48Hello Michael Hurley, co-founder.
0:00:51He's the man in charge, you know.
0:00:54He's the boss.
0:00:55The boss.
0:00:55Doesn't seem like it but he's the boss.
0:00:58He's the boss of the world.
0:01:00He's a silent boss.
0:01:02Yeah.
0:01:03Hi, Steven.
0:01:05I don't really know what to do after this new intro.
0:01:07Hey, boss!
0:01:08We've been doing it.
0:01:09We've been testing this intro for a couple weeks now.
0:01:11For a couple of years, actually.
0:01:13We still don't know what to say.
0:01:15I know what to say.
0:01:17Opening, so the show title,
0:01:21"Hello, this is Connected from Relay FM."
0:01:23That's pretty simple,
0:01:25but it's this intermediate stage,
0:01:27Which I am now drawing attention to that has always felt awkward to me and we've been doing shows for like four years
0:01:31And I just never know to do with it, but that's why you just leave it to me
0:01:36So I think it's weird because three of us have been chatting on Skype for like ten minutes now, right?
0:01:41We you know, but now people didn't hear that and they hear this and this is the beginning of the conversation
0:01:45We have to like go back and start the conversation again. It's all it's very hard. The problem is when you talk about this
0:01:53That's the problem. Yes, because nobody wants to hear this. I think I'm definitely making it worse
0:01:57So we should just do follow-up, please. Could you could you start off with some follow-up for us Oh Michael
0:02:03I would love to do some follow-up
0:02:05So we had a comment on Twitter
0:02:08from
0:02:10Costas somebody. Yes
0:02:12You keep saying that beats curation is great. How is it better than playlist that Spotify maintains?
0:02:18I thought we talked about this but Federico, what's the difference here? What makes beats creation special? I
0:02:23Think the big difference is that they feel more human
0:02:28like you can tell that it's people actually being there and picking songs or like
0:02:33each playlist has like an explanation and
0:02:36First presence. There's like the best hits from a specific band from a specific time period of the band and
0:02:45and you can tell that there's like a concept behind the playlist. It's not just like a cover
0:02:51photo and a bunch of songs. It's like there's a human there picking songs and often like I
0:02:56remember last year during the Grammys there was people at Beats Music creating playlists from the
0:03:03show like in not in real time but like a few minutes after and to me they they and I mean I
0:03:11I tried Beats Music, I tried Spotify and we talked about this before.
0:03:16I think Beats Music, like the descriptions and the way that they were presented to the
0:03:22listener, I feel like they were more created by music experts.
0:03:28You can tell that there's a meaning, that there's a basic idea behind the playlist.
0:03:33It's not just a collection of songs.
0:03:35It's not like a folder full of files.
0:03:38It's there because the editor of the music section wants you to listen to something and
0:03:43I think that's a big difference.
0:03:45I think Myke is also a fan of playlists so maybe he can add more.
0:03:49Yeah, I mean I guess I haven't had too much of an experience recently with Spotify playlists.
0:03:56I don't know if they're doing this stuff but I like Beats playlists and I know they're
0:04:00made by people.
0:04:02Or at least they do a really good job of faking machines to seem like people.
0:04:06Do you know what I mean?
0:04:07So it's like, I know that that's the case,
0:04:09so it's really great.
0:04:10If Spotify has that as well, awesome,
0:04:12but I don't know that they do,
0:04:13but I know that Beats does,
0:04:14and I really like their playlists.
0:04:16And I've never been taken to use playlists
0:04:20from another streaming music service.
0:04:23But like, I like what they suggest, you know,
0:04:25when I see something on Beats,
0:04:27I try it out because it's a good suggestion typically.
0:04:31- Spotify has these playlists,
0:04:33but they're like, there's a cover photo,
0:04:35which is usually just the same, there's like a workout playlist, if you like to listen to hip-hop during workouts,
0:04:43there's an Oasis playlist and there's like a description with a couple of sentences,
0:04:48but it's never with the same degree of there's a human behind this factor.
0:04:55It's, I don't know, it feels different, it feels more...
0:04:58The Spotify system feels more automated by machines to me, honestly,
0:05:02And I know that Beats Music has actual music editors and journalists that work there, or at least used to work there,
0:05:09so it feels more natural and human to me, and I think there was a big difference.
0:05:13And just for the sake of comparison, there's nothing of this stuff on Google Music.
0:05:21Like, you know, the playlists tend to be, especially if you don't have the songs integration on your Google Music country,
0:05:30The plays are like, I think they're automated by the same Google crawler that they use for web pages.
0:05:39I think Beats Music has the best combination of tech and people out there when it comes to music streaming.
0:05:46Hopefully we will get some new stuff next month.
0:05:50Actually not next month because we're still in April, so in 40 days at WWDC.
0:05:57It's so it's that you want it to be
0:06:00Human after all that human connection of you don't want a machine playing your music for you
0:06:06And I saw Daft Punk
0:06:08You know reference. I enjoyed that as well. Yeah, get another Steven was into Daft Punk, honestly
0:06:14so yeah a little so um
0:06:18Martin is gonna get credit for this but we got several emails and I saw a couple tweets about this
0:06:25saying or revisiting last week where Myke you had the experience that you had restore your phone and your beats music was not
0:06:33restored from backup, but the beats app kind of looked like it had been and
0:06:38How that was not a great experience and Martin writes in to say
0:06:41the developers can specify what data should be backed up with iCloud backup and
0:06:47his theory is to reduce space of that backup that that
0:06:51Beats is not including the actual music tracks, or maybe there's legal reasons or something like that
0:06:55and
0:06:58So, yeah, we kind of touched on that. I don't think we said it explicitly like that's you know
0:07:03It seems like a reasonable trade-off to me
0:07:05So you don't have to back up all that music to your iCloud backup, but it is bad that the app
0:07:09You know didn't prompt you to hey, you know, you need to redownload your music
0:07:13That's not what underscore says underscore
0:07:16Tweeted to say the apps are not permitted to include redownloadable content in backups. So it's not beats fault
0:07:23It's Apple's fault
0:07:26Conflicting follow-up. I don't I don't know Martin. I'm sure Martin smart, but I trust underscore of everything. So
0:07:32Well, one of the reasons because I mean underscore makes pod Wrangler right so I'm sure he's come into this because of that
0:07:40His
0:07:43Yeah, he's got the experience there
0:07:44But it does I think at the very least we can agree on
0:07:47The fact that the app should have somehow alerted you that you needed to redownload your music. Oh, definitely definitely should have
0:07:54because that's you know sort of a cardi experience, but um
0:07:58Anyways, the bin writes in and bin says you keep saying Apple doesn't have a streaming service
0:08:03What about iTunes radio does it not exist outside North America and the answer been no, no, it does not
0:08:10Really a music streaming service. I think by the classification that we are giving a music streaming service
0:08:16Yeah, I think iTunes radio is like a I think of iTunes radio is a Pandora
0:08:20Like you know you kind of set a station. Yeah, we're talking about like on demand. I wouldn't listen to this album
0:08:27I'm gonna stream this album and
0:08:29It's only in
0:08:31North America just it's just in the States. I think isn't it?
0:08:34Maybe and uh basically yes our country um
0:08:39Yeah, I mean, you know, we've talked about this many times over the years like this would be great for it to expand
0:08:44and there's lots of reasons that it hasn't and
0:08:46But I agree with you guys like the core difference is iTunes radio is not
0:08:50Really the same class of service as something like beats Spotify or audio
0:08:54Totally anyways
0:08:58We're gonna finish this with a little follow out Myke what uh, what happened on relay this week
0:09:03We were very lucky to welcome
0:09:06Honored in fact to welcome Mac power users to the relay FM family, which is just absolutely incredible
0:09:13We are all the three of us here huge Mac power users fans
0:09:16Davis box and Katie Floyd do an incredible job every week and they have been running since 2009
0:09:21And they are now a part of the relay FM family
0:09:25Well, Steven is also a Mac power users
0:09:28That is a good point with the typo with the with the ease of power users because he is friends with Myke
0:09:34However, me and you both got to be guests before him.
0:09:37Yeah, yeah, but that was in my OS X past.
0:09:41Does it mean that we get to do a now-US power users spinoff now on Relay?
0:09:46Yeah, I think it's just you.
0:09:47It's you talking for hours.
0:09:48Just me talking.
0:09:49It's like, it's called Federico today.
0:09:52And it's a...
0:09:53I'm just talking about workflows.
0:10:01I would subscribe instantly.
0:10:02So Federico, when you linked to this, and thank you very much for looking to it, you
0:10:06shared a little story about MacPowerUsers and kind of what it did for you, and I thought
0:10:11it'd be fun to talk about that for a second.
0:10:12Yeah, and it was in August 2012 when I was hospitalized for about 22 days, just over
0:10:22three weeks.
0:10:23Didn't know what to do, couldn't move, couldn't work.
0:10:26I could listen to music and to podcasts and I remember deciding to catch up on the Mac
0:10:33Power users backlog that I had.
0:10:36I think it used to be Instacast.
0:10:37Man, remember those days?
0:10:42And yeah, it is.
0:10:46The podcasting scene is just a bit different today on iOS.
0:10:50And I remember, I think one of the first episodes that I listened to, because I kind of knew
0:10:56the show but didn't really listen and I think I started by listening to one of those Merlin
0:11:02Man episodes, you know, used to be like an annual thing that they would interview Merlin on the
0:11:09like the apps and workflows that he used and I remember getting into the whole idea of markdown
0:11:14and plain text, you know, that kind of stuff and I kind of took it from there and when I left the
0:11:21the hospital when I went home.
0:11:23I remember downloading this app
0:11:26for the iPhone and iPad called Nebulas Notes,
0:11:29which was one of the first markdown editors for iOS,
0:11:34with some basic support for automation.
0:11:36Only was based on JavaScript, I think,
0:11:39instead of Python and the apps that I came to use later.
0:11:46I think David and Katie are
0:11:50responsible for my addiction today.
0:11:53So it feels good to have my, my, my, you know, these, these, these two friends
0:12:00on relay and to, to continue listening with them, you know, on our, on our network.
0:12:05I think it's, it's great.
0:12:06I'm a huge fan and many things have changed for me since three years ago.
0:12:11And so I should probably keep a photo of Katie and David in my office, you
0:12:16know, and just thank them every day.
0:12:20They may be kind of creepy, but also in a way nice, I think.
0:12:23You should now, you should set up like a Zapier or something to automatically thank them every day in the Slack room.
0:12:31Just every day the little tgbot pops up. Thanks David and Katie.
0:12:36Is there anything in the UK or maybe in America to keep a photo? Like in public offices, like you keep a photo of the president on the wall?
0:12:43No, that's not a thing.
0:12:45It is a thing in Italy, we keep, like, when you go to a public office space, you can find photos of the
0:12:52the president of the Republic of Italy. I always start like that, why do they do that? It seems to
0:12:57be a tradition. Maybe I could keep a photo of David and Katie, you know? Just look at them,
0:13:04as a sign of respect, you know, as an authority.
0:13:10You could just have them as your lock screen wallpaper on your iPad.
0:13:15That'd be real creepy, you know.
0:13:18If someone put a picture of them on the wall it's kind of worse.
0:13:21You get a tattoo of Kady on one form and of David on the other.
0:13:28So you put your arms together it's like Mac Power users combined.
0:13:33You could get like like like power and user on your knuckles or something.
0:13:38- Wow, that's real.
0:13:40It's really gangster, Myke.
0:13:42- I will start a Kickstarter right now
0:13:44for your hand tattoos.
0:13:46- I don't think that my power users
0:13:48will be around for the next episode.
0:13:50I think they're gone already.
0:13:52- You could do power users if you do your thumbs.
0:13:54I was counting letters on my fingers.
0:13:56- Yep.
0:13:57- Okay.
0:13:58- Anyway.
0:13:59- It is, no, it is very exciting.
0:14:01I mean, I echo everything the two of you said.
0:14:03Super honored that they would want to join Relay,
0:14:06and it's been a heck of eight months for the network
0:14:09and it's really, this is just another amazing step
0:14:12that we definitely are humbled by
0:14:15and very thankful for, so.
0:14:18- Most definitely.
0:14:19Huge show today.
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0:16:28So it's like space magic.
0:16:29You cut the box open and we did it,
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0:16:33So I streamed it to the internet
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0:17:25Why does Steven get to review mattresses with his wife and I don't?
0:17:29I mean not with his wife, you know, with my family.
0:17:32Uh, because Steven's in America and Casper only ship in the US at the moment.
0:17:36Oh, that's sad.
0:17:38No, don't do that.
0:17:41There's plenty to like about ERL.
0:17:43No, I...
0:17:44You know, shipments.
0:17:45Not that much.
0:17:46As soon as I can find an Italian mattress company, I'll hook you up Federico.
0:17:52Okay, thank you.
0:17:54You say that, the ultimate irony is going to be that you get your Apple Watch before
0:17:58me, but we can talk about that later.
0:17:59No, that's not going to happen.
0:18:03So I just wanted to give a brief story.
0:18:05So later on in the episode I'm going to talk through a day in the life of wearing an Apple
0:18:09Watch, but there's just one thing that happened on that day which doesn't really get into
0:18:13the story but I thought it was really funny.
0:18:15So me and my girlfriend, we went to the Apple store because I wanted to see if they had
0:18:19any bands in stock.
0:18:21And we were upstairs in the Regent Street store.
0:18:24I was just looking at stuff and I was buying, I was like using EasyPay to buy a charging
0:18:29cable.
0:18:30I was getting an extra charging cable.
0:18:32To which my girlfriend then just kind of walked off to get out of the way because she basically
0:18:36had seen an empty area of the store.
0:18:39So she was just walking to get out of the way.
0:18:41She walked about three paces and a security guard basically jumped on her.
0:18:45she wandered into the addition try-on area.
0:18:50And they freaked out.
0:18:52They did not like that at all.
0:18:54So she just walked into the area?
0:18:56So this is the interesting thing, right?
0:18:58The Regent Street store is a two floor store.
0:19:00It's really big.
0:19:01And basically all they have is just in the corner of the top floor.
0:19:05It's not roped off.
0:19:06There's just one security guard, one Apple store person, and two tables and one try-on
0:19:13thing.
0:19:14I think the table had the glass thing in it with the addition watches inside
0:19:18As well as like one of the try-on pads. That's all they have. It's not roped off. It's not a special room. Nothing
0:19:23It's just a part of the Apple Store that has a security guard and an Apple Store rep
0:19:27And what happened next?
0:19:31They basically
0:19:33Effectively threw her out of the area like as quickly as possible
0:19:37Well, thank god you're in the UK in America. They would have shot you.
0:19:42Exactly, I started laughing a lot because I realized what had happened and she had no idea what was going on
0:19:47They didn't say no ma'am this is where
0:19:52She was like, I don't understand what's going on and I explained it to her and she just said that it was stupid
0:19:58She should be a tech blogger she that was a hot take
0:20:03Right Federico, let's do some more serious stuff. Can you give me a
0:20:11a brief overview of the Q2 results that came out yesterday, Apple's results.
0:20:19This is supposed to be serious.
0:20:21Yeah. Well, I mean, you can joke about it, but...
0:20:23Lots of money, you know?
0:20:25You can make fun of the iPad number a little bit.
0:20:27No. Wow. Okay. I'm no longer talking to Steven.
0:20:33Steven, it's okay, because that number makes fun of itself.
0:20:35There's only three of us on the podcast. How are you going to do that?
0:20:37And I'm not talking to you anymore.
0:20:39So, uh, 58 billion revenue, 61.2 million iPhones sold to customers.
0:20:47Of course.
0:20:48Um, 12.6 million iPads and 4.6 million max sold and total profit for the quarter
0:20:59was $13.5 0.6 billion.
0:21:03So it's just about 3 billion over the guidance from Apple for the quarter.
0:21:12So it was a good quarter, you know, especially iPhone sales.
0:21:15Analysts were expecting about 58 million iPhones.
0:21:21Instead, they did over 61 million.
0:21:24So the iPhone continues to be a huge business for Apple, the biggest, of course.
0:21:28And the real surprise for many people was the importance of China.
0:21:32for the numbers. If you look at the results, basically the revenue by area. Apple has I
0:21:43think five regions. There's Europe, Americas, Greater China, Asia Pacific and Japan, and
0:21:50Greater China was about 29%. And it was bigger by revenue than Europe, which was 21%. So
0:21:58it's become the second biggest market for Apple.
0:22:01Is that the first time that that's happened?
0:22:03See that I don't know I think it has been growing for a while and I remember Tim Cook's comments from a while ago
0:22:11that he said we feel like China could be our biggest market by you know over the next year
0:22:18I think it's not the first no, maybe it's the first time that it was bigger than Europe actually
0:22:23I think so because lots of people yesterday
0:22:26I follow a bunch of those analysts on Twitter and a lot of them were surprised by basically
0:22:32almost 30% of revenue from China.
0:22:36So of course Apple had a bunch of announcements during the conference call.
0:22:43Most importantly they're going to have about 40 retail stores in China by next year.
0:22:51making big investments in China considering the numbers that they're
0:22:54seeing. Best Buy it's one of the major partners of that what's the name the
0:23:03payment system that's like against Apple Pay.
0:23:06They're basically changing their mind and they're adopting Apple Pay.
0:23:11I think currency got shut down I think like it was just such a security
0:23:16disaster it just went away. And basically Best Buy is gonna offer Apple Pay
0:23:20support in the app first and later this year in all of their stores. So yeah.
0:23:26What else? I'm trying to think of the most.
0:23:31Was there anything about Apple Pay outside of the US?
0:23:33Nope.
0:23:35Team Cook confirmed that Discover, one of those US companies, is gonna use Apple Pay,
0:23:41but nothing about the US, I think. What else? I don't know. They talked about
0:23:503,500 apps for the Apple Watch available at launch basically.
0:23:56iPad sales, this is the big topic from the quarter.
0:24:01iPad sales were a bit low as usual.
0:24:05I think it was the second weakest quarter for iPad.
0:24:10The thing about iPad is that Tim Cook remains confident about the product.
0:24:17He brought up a couple of times the apps and the collaboration that they're doing with
0:24:22IBM for iPad, especially in the enterprise.
0:24:25So he seems to believe that iPad can become a better, bigger business, especially when
0:24:33you consider the enterprise market.
0:24:36And there was a couple of analysts on the call that tried to kind of push him to talk
0:24:39about iPad sales in the future, and he just says, "I remain confident that it's a great
0:24:46I feel like his comments, and this is totally just my idea, I feel like his comments kind of suggest that some stuff is happening with the iPad.
0:24:56I don't know if it's software or if it's some major hardware change. I feel like it's software, I feel like we're gonna see some changes just for iPad and in my mind just for the iPad Air 2 and future revisions of course.
0:25:12But there were some people on Twitter who were saying, "We're gonna see Force Touch on the iPad this year,
0:25:19and we're gonna see a stylus accessory from Apple to kinda make the iPad more unique."
0:25:25And I think it makes sense if you consider Force Touch, if you consider all these new technologies that Apple is doing with touch,
0:25:31and if you consider that a lot of people still don't get the iPad, so maybe making the iPad better for designers and artists could be a nice idea to kinda expand the product line.
0:25:41Other numbers Myke
0:25:43Just for a second because I have a question that one. Yes, I believe Stephen wants to provide some real-time follow-up
0:25:51yeah, so
0:25:54Currency isn't isn't dead
0:25:56It's still around
0:25:58It's just that Best Buy is gonna run it in parallel see according to Arsenica seems like it's in parallel
0:26:03With Apple pay so I think it's still around I you know
0:26:08Seems like Apple pay is clearly a better technology, but they're gonna do both this seems like so these will see how that goes
0:26:15But yeah, I did I did notice you know I was not expecting Apple paid
0:26:19Make such waves in the in the quarterly results call, but clearly apples being successful with the unit discover
0:26:25Which is a major credit card here in the US that's not currently on Apple pay is joining later this year
0:26:31They made that announcement as well, so it's getting some some press time with
0:26:35With uncle uncle Timmy so good times. So Federico I have a question for you about iPads. Okay, I
0:26:42mean
0:26:45obviously I
0:26:47Understand what you're saying about you know
0:26:49about
0:26:51It looking like there's gonna be some let's what we what Tim saying it hints to the fact that they could be working on something
0:26:58Right, but if you will allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment
0:27:04Doesn't he kind of have to say this?
0:27:06Like, he can't go on the call and be like,
0:27:09"Man, that iPad ain't working, huh?
0:27:12Like, no one's buying that anymore."
0:27:14Like, let me, please, I know, I know.
0:27:17Sure, okay, sorry.
0:27:18I'm being inflammatory, right?
0:27:20I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to play the opposite.
0:27:23Do you think that, do you genuinely believe this?
0:27:29Like, if you think about it, like, in your heart of hearts,
0:27:31or do you think that maybe this comes from a little bit of just hope from you?
0:27:35No, not at all, because it's still a big business, you know, 12 million units is still a huge business,
0:27:43bigger than most companies.
0:27:44Yeah, but this is the thing, right, and again, to put this into perspective,
0:27:48that you are completely correct of that. However, Apple size, it's interesting.
0:27:56No, that's where I think you're wrong, basically.
0:28:00OK.
0:28:02The problem is that, so if you put the iPhone out of the picture, Apple sells two computers.
0:28:11One is the Mac and the other is the iPad.
0:28:14So for the Mac they did 4-6 million units and for the iPad they did 3 times that.
0:28:21And the problem, I think, what I think is, it's not that the iPad is struggling, it's
0:28:28that the iPhone is just huge, it's insane, but not because... I mean, the iPhone is a
0:28:34great product, it's just the smartphone in general, it's taking the world by storm. And
0:28:39the thing that the iPhone is selling, it's just like a different story. But the moment
0:28:45that people are gonna take a look at a computer, like, they use their iPhones all day. Because,
0:28:52you know, and even some people use their iPhones as a sort of a computer because they do work
0:28:57on the phone or they watch movies on the phone. And that's fine, but at some point people
0:29:03are going to want a bigger screen, you know, to either watch a movie or, I don't know,
0:29:08create documents or browse the web and whatever. And if you consider that Apple sells two types
0:29:13of computers, the iPad consistently does three times the numbers of the Mac. So, I think
0:29:22There's a couple of issues here. First is that the iPad had a great, fast, incredible
0:29:27start five years ago and some people kind of got used to those types of numbers. But
0:29:33because the iPad is more like a computer and it's not like an iPhone and I think some people
0:29:38are looking at the iPad like an iPhone and they're expecting kind of the same numbers,
0:29:42I think they're misguided. Because they're not seeing the same numbers and therefore
0:29:46the iPad needs to die, basically. It's useless. That's not the point because if you consider
0:29:51the iPad in the perspective of a computer, even if you look at other computers by other
0:29:57companies and just the numbers of the PC industry, you can see a clear difference between what
0:30:04the PC is doing and even what the Mac, the PC from Apple is doing and what the iPad is
0:30:13doing. And I generally believe that the iPad's problem is not the reason that it exists.
0:30:20The iPad needs to exist because people are buying iPads.
0:30:23The problem, or two problems I see, first is that old iPads are still working really
0:30:29well and you can install the latest software on the latest iOS on an old iPad and you mostly
0:30:36get all the new stuff.
0:30:39The second problem is that Apple, if anything I think Apple's fault is to not have figured
0:30:47out really how to make unique, new, useful software for the iPad.
0:30:54I think they've been, for two or three years, kind of caught up in a situation where they
0:31:01just wanted to make iPhone software bigger on the iPad, and instead they should have
0:31:07maybe taken the opposite direction and to make, I wouldn't say a separate fork of iOS
0:31:12the iPad, but bigger differences, different features and not just an adaptation of iOS
0:31:19for the phone to the iPad.
0:31:21But my point is that you shouldn't look at the iPad in the context of the iPhone, but
0:31:26in the context of the Mac, because people are going to buy a computer, are going to
0:31:30choose between an iPad and a Mac, not an iPhone and an iPad.
0:31:34And I think that's the biggest difference.
0:31:36I'm going to push on you again, though.
0:31:39Okay.
0:31:40Okay.
0:31:41I appreciate the numbers are larger on the iPad,
0:31:43but Mac sales are growing, iPad sales are declining.
0:31:47- Yeah, but it's still three times bigger.
0:31:48- No, I know that, but it's a decline.
0:31:50And that is rare. - Sure.
0:31:52- That is rare in a currently sold,
0:31:55currently developed Apple product.
0:31:57Apple products tend not to decline.
0:31:59- Not necessarily, because quarter to quarter,
0:32:01you can see higher or slightly smaller Mac results.
0:32:05I think that you can, I don't know,
0:32:10I feel like it's kind of natural for the iPad to be that way, especially if you can go back
0:32:15to the iPad 2, I think, and still install iOS 8 on the iPad 2.
0:32:19Yeah, but arguably a Mac has a longer shelf life than an iPad.
0:32:26I don't know.
0:32:27I'm not trying to get you to answer these questions because you cannot answer them,
0:32:33because you just can't.
0:32:34Yeah.
0:32:35But I'm just enjoying the thought experiment.
0:32:38It's just interesting to me because I don't know how I feel about this.
0:32:42All I know is I don't use an iPad anymore, but that doesn't mean anything.
0:32:46It's just I don't use one.
0:32:48Because of my working environment and the way that I work, I don't need one.
0:32:53But you do, and again that's totally fine for you, but just as the iPad guy, it always
0:33:01intrigues me to understand how you think and feel when this happens because everybody around
0:33:07you is saying the iPad is dying?
0:33:09Yeah, I feel like I don't understand, and I know that Steven wants me to stop.
0:33:14I just want to say this, and then we're going to move on.
0:33:17I just don't understand people's commitment to saying that the iPad needs to die, and
0:33:23this is especially true in tech circles.
0:33:25I feel like nobody, at least in the people I follow, so take that as a sample of about
0:33:30a thousand people, with the exception of a few good ones.
0:33:34I feel like most tech bloggers and other people who follow the tech scene, they have this
0:33:40weird kind of natural obsession with the iPad and just maybe the tablet in general needing
0:33:47to go away for some sort of out of spite.
0:33:50I don't know why, honestly.
0:33:52I feel like they feel endangered by the idea of a tablet as a computer and this has always
0:33:57been true.
0:33:58I mean, I've been talking about this stuff for the past two years so I wouldn't mind
0:34:01you know, people say "Hey, you're stupid" or you know, that kind of stuff.
0:34:04I don't care basically, but you know, every time there's a new, you know, the Mac sells
0:34:12for million units, the iPad sells, I don't know, 10, 12, and it's maybe declining but
0:34:17it's still bigger, and there's people saying "Oh, see, the iPad needs to die" and blah,
0:34:21blah, blah.
0:34:22I don't understand.
0:34:24Because maybe it's a bunch of factors, maybe because they don't understand why would anyone,
0:34:29including me, would want to work from an iPad.
0:34:32And I feel like I published an article and it still didn't suffice to justify my cause.
0:34:37And that's okay.
0:34:38But maybe other people feel like they want to be analysts and they want to kind of tell
0:34:43Apple what to do.
0:34:45And that's also fine because everybody has a hobby.
0:34:47I just, at a very basic level, at a very basic level, I don't understand why, I mean, usually
0:34:58I'm not the type of guy who says it's okay, just listen to what Tim Cook says, because
0:35:02I like to question Apple's motivations and I like to do what you do, Myke, and to kind
0:35:08of push them, you know, to want to know more.
0:35:11But I feel like when Tim Cook says there's an iPhone, there's a Mac, there's an iPad,
0:35:16and everything will work out eventually and it'll be fine.
0:35:20Why can it not be that way?
0:35:22Let's just wait it out.
0:35:23If I want to use an iPad, let me use an iPad.
0:35:25If you want to use a mic, good for you.
0:35:28Everybody should chill, I think, more.
0:35:31If anybody is ever gonna make a connected clip show, "Everyone Needs a Hobby" is potentially
0:35:38my favorite clip of all time.
0:35:40That was the sickest of bounds.
0:35:43Thank you for that Federico.
0:35:44Yeah, I mean, to chime in real quick, I think what you said about the tech press or whatever
0:35:52wanting it to go away. I think it's because a lot of those type of people have fallen
0:35:56into a usage pattern sort of like Myke where the iPad is not a big part of it. And so they
0:36:02it was very easy to take your own personal experience and like, push it out onto how
0:36:12you view the world. It's a very natural thing to do, right? The three of us have done it
0:36:15three of us do it probably all the time. But I think it's particularly problematic in the
0:36:19in the case of a product like the iPad
0:36:20where very clearly a very strong business.
0:36:23Most technology companies would kill for any product
0:36:26that moved, was it 12.6 million and a quarter?
0:36:29It's huge.
0:36:31But at the same time, it is weird
0:36:32because it is within Apple's stable of products
0:36:35where nothing on the planet competes with the iPhone.
0:36:39Just period.
0:36:40It is a technology product in a world unto itself,
0:36:44in a world that is completely separate
0:36:46everything else in terms of sales or popularity or impact.
0:36:51And so I think that's where the weirdness comes in,
0:36:54that on one hand you have something that is kinda hard
0:36:57to understand for some people and then you look at it
0:36:59in light of the iPhone while in unfair comparison,
0:37:02it's easy to take a shortcut and say,
0:37:05"Oh, well it's dying."
0:37:06And I think that's untrue.
0:37:08I think the heart of it really is that,
0:37:10you can run an iPad 2 today, it's not great
0:37:13and I don't wanna do it, but lots of people do it
0:37:14and lots of people can.
0:37:15And it's almost unusual, you know,
0:37:20Apple has a tendency not to be super backwards compatible
0:37:23with stuff and this old iPad is just like,
0:37:26lasted forever and you can still go buy an iPad Mini
0:37:29because they want that low price point.
0:37:30I think to a degree, Apple is in this to themselves
0:37:34if that factor is indeed a big one.
0:37:37I'm not smart enough to say if it is or not,
0:37:38but it feels like it is.
0:37:40And if so, you know, what happens in two years
0:37:43you can't buy an a5 or an a6 powered iPad and they start to cut those older models off
0:37:48will sales go up or you know we'll be able to just continue to live behind the times
0:37:53because like you said you can put iowa sate on those things and yeah it's not great but
0:37:57it works and most people aren't going to know the difference it's just a very there's like
0:38:00lots of weird factors here and i think anyone who just looks at one or two of them and makes
0:38:04a conclusion is cutting corners and i think that's where all the frustration comes from
0:38:09for the three of us looking at this. Why don't people like people who are
0:38:13different from them? That is a question that is way bigger than we
0:38:20have time for today. I'm gonna take a break because I want to talk about the
0:38:25Apple Watch. I don't know what you guys want to do but that's what I want to do.
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0:41:21to use it Squarespace build it beautiful so gentlemen I have my watch
0:41:28you two what is your current status very sad very processing it's both processing
0:41:35yes I've for the show I'm very lucky that I got mine I guess that would have
0:41:41sucked yeah we hate you Myke well okay I mean it's not my fault yeah it is well I
0:41:48just I didn't choose the one that everybody wanted I suppose you were
0:41:54being different yeah I have the aluminium sport with the blue band you know like a
0:41:58blue band yeah like blue yeah like blue what are you a smurf oh why are we being
0:42:06this way you asked like two seconds ago why people don't like that's the joke I
0:42:14just thought I was being attacked yeah I thought I was just being bullied so what
0:42:20what I thought I would do because I mean I've spoken about some impressions on
0:42:24upgrade people talk about impressions all over the place so I thought I would
0:42:27maybe try and frame the discussion on this slightly differently and what I
0:42:31have done is on Saturday of last week so over the weekend I was out of the house
0:42:37all day I was out doing various different things that you'll hear about
0:42:40shortly so I decided that what I would do would be to write a diary of the day
0:42:45with all of the different ways that I used my Apple watch to try and give an
0:42:49idea of what a day in the life of an Apple watch user can be. So I thought I
0:42:54would maybe go through some of that and then you guys can ask me questions and
0:42:57stuff. Okay I have a question. Please. Did you write or dictate the diary? I wrote
0:43:03the diary because I wanted to have text expander snippets. Okay. So I used draft
0:43:07to do that because I have time stamps and I wanted to use text expander and draft
0:43:12to put it together. So I have my diary I also have just some general thoughts as
0:43:17which I can refer to if necessary.
0:43:20But do you guys have any questions for me before we begin?
0:43:23Do you maybe want me to give my overall opinion
0:43:25about some stuff about the watch?
0:43:27What would you like me to do?
0:43:28- I really only had one question.
0:43:31It's sort of a meta question, but how has it been using it?
0:43:34Do people notice? Do you feel weird?
0:43:36So we talked a lot about that,
0:43:37and I still actually worry about it.
0:43:40In fact, just the other evening,
0:43:42I had to run an errand on the way home
0:43:44and stop by someone's house.
0:43:45house and I could have felt weird in that situation wearing it especially if
0:43:52it's new you know just for kind of like you know social reasons and I was
0:43:56wondering if you've had any of that sort of awkwardness that we had predicted.
0:44:00I feel it because I know what it is and it's with this huge blue band it kind of
0:44:05draws attention anyway. I have had some people look at it I've had some people
0:44:11ask questions about it I have had that so like at the thing that I was out on
0:44:17Saturday someone asked me if it was the watch and what I thought about it they
0:44:24they knew it when they saw it they called it the iWatch yep what kind of
0:44:30friends do you have they're not friends these are random people you'll hear about
0:44:34this in a bit I don't know these people I definitely definitely not my friends
0:44:37after that. They asked about charging and they asked why nothing was on the face.
0:44:44Well that was quite interesting. It's a good question. I'll get to that in a bit.
0:44:50It is a good question, why is there nothing on the face? But yeah I do I do
0:44:55feel a little bit awkward but I'm just trying to get over that. Like I'm trying
0:44:59to not feel too awkward when I'm talking into my wrist. Like I'm trying to just
0:45:03push past this because otherwise I'm always gonna be weird about it. It's like
0:45:08when I got the iPhone for the first time or whatever you know we've spoken about
0:45:11this that you use it in public in public or on public transport and you know
0:45:15people know what it is but you kind of just gotta got to carry on or you'll be
0:45:19hiding it forever which is not the point of the device. I wouldn't be able to do
0:45:23that in Rome I would just be mugged as soon as I leave the... what do you
0:45:28call it the tube? Yeah I mean I do a point. As soon as I leave the tube they would mug me.
0:45:31I'm not like, flashing it around the place, but I'm also kind of trying to not like, hide it, you know?
0:45:37Yeah, yeah.
0:45:38If I want to use it, I'm like using it, I'm not like covering it up with one hand and like tapping it with my nose or something.
0:45:45I do way more nose tapping than I expected, by the way.
0:45:48Nose tapping?
0:45:50Why?
0:45:51Why?
0:45:52Because you cannot use this device with one hand.
0:45:55Like, it is not possible to do.
0:45:57Just use your nose?
0:45:59Yeah!
0:46:00So let's say for example I get a message, right? I've got a message. I've only got one hand free.
0:46:04The one hand that's free is the one that my watch is on, right? And I want to respond to the message.
0:46:08I can use my nose to tap the reply, then to tap Siri, talk into it, tap done, and it will send.
0:46:14And then it's easy. I use my nose. It's easy. And those can touch the screen like anything else.
0:46:18You guys wait. You'll be nose tapping. I'm telling you, that is the future. Nose tapping is the future.
0:46:23I just wanna see this happening.
0:46:27Can you have someone take a photo of you?
0:46:31Somebody said this to me a while ago.
0:46:33This is not a one-handed device.
0:46:34You can't, like you cannot do it.
0:46:37Say for example you want to send a message to someone.
0:46:40Like I can say "hey" and then the next word, but you cannot go through that process without
0:46:45tapping things.
0:46:46Like it is not possible to do things on this device without having another hand free.
0:46:51Sometimes you don't have a hand free.
0:46:52you use your nose. Do you have a long nose? I think I have a long nose. I think the end
0:46:58of my nose is relatively pointy so that may help. Maybe it's kind of like a finger.
0:47:04Wow. Well we know that you have long fingers. The thing is, the thing is now, even if you
0:47:12never would have thought about it, I know now that when you guys get your devices you're
0:47:16going to be like "I could use my nose for this". I'm starting a revolution here. Myke
0:47:20was right 2015 nose tapping I'm telling you did you did you talk about this with
0:47:25other people no stepping no did you guys are the first to hear about nose tapping
0:47:30you know I keep all the good stuff for connected trust me on this one okay you
0:47:38guys don't know yet I'm waiting for you to do that while you have a cup of
0:47:42coffee in your hand so you just like bring the watch up to your nose and just
0:47:45pour coffee all over your shoes see in theory I would be less likely to do that
0:47:49because I don't need to tilt the device too much. If I was like looking at it to tell the time I'd be more likely to spend it on myself.
0:47:54Your nose crooked? Do you reach around your wrist with your nose?
0:47:56Uh huh, that's part of the...
0:47:58Is this gonna be another "Myke was right" kind of thing?
0:48:00I don't think so. I think this is the end of "Myke was right".
0:48:02This is just insane!
0:48:04This is the thing!
0:48:05Myke is weird.
0:48:06The thing that Myke is right about, you all think I'm weird about at first.
0:48:10Trust me. Trust me.
0:48:12No, you're getting cocky after the 6+ victory.
0:48:15No way. No way. This is the next thing.
0:48:18You're trying to sell us on tapping stuff with our nose.
0:48:22Uh huh.
0:48:23No, no, no.
0:48:24I'm telling you.
0:48:25I'm telling you, nose tapping.
0:48:26Okay, so.
0:48:27Anyway.
0:48:28I'm going to start going through my diary, okay?
0:48:30Yes.
0:48:319.35am.
0:48:32I woke up, took my watch off my charging cradle and put it on.
0:48:37That's actually stopped now.
0:48:39No more nose tapping.
0:48:40There's no nose tapping in this story.
0:48:41Yeah, I'm just thinking about you reading this diary now and tapping your nose.
0:48:45Do you want to hear the serious stuff?
0:48:47or do you want me to keep talking about stupid things I'm doing?
0:48:49Yes, I'm sorry. Okay, no.
0:48:51So, taking the watch and putting it on is actually one of the first things that I do now in the mornings.
0:48:57And one of the reasons for this is because the devices work very...
0:49:02My iPhone works very differently now because it very rarely buzzes, if at all,
0:49:07because it's sending stuff to my watch a lot of the time.
0:49:10So I put my watch on because it then just creates the communication between the two
0:49:16devices and I carry on my day that way.
0:49:20The first thing that I saw was I saw some OmniFocus alerts start popping up on my watch
0:49:27which I could snooze for a bit.
0:49:29I then saw it had a due reminder come up which I was able to grab because I was grabbing
0:49:34some paperwork because I was going to a cocktail making class on that day.
0:49:38my girlfriend had bought me for my birthday. So I had a due reminder pop up
0:49:42to remind me to grab the documentation. I was able to clear the due reminder and
0:49:46we were all good to go. So 10.02 a.m. I'm out and about. I had a text come in. I
0:49:53replied via Siri for that text message. There was no nose tapping involved at
0:49:59this point because I had both hands free. I was listening to a podcast on my phone
0:50:03and obviously Siri didn't pause the podcast which felt weird. So like usually
0:50:09when you reply by Siri the music in your ear stops but that isn't the case
0:50:13obviously because those two devices are split apart and that was a strange thing
0:50:16but it makes sense that it wouldn't do it but it was just weird to be talking
0:50:20into Siri and still hearing like ATP in my ears or something. Then I received a
0:50:25phone call and it came up on my watch and this is the first time that this
0:50:29happened so I answered it and the conversation was happening from the
0:50:36loudspeaker on my watch which wasn't what I was expecting because I was used
0:50:40to doing this with the pebble where you answer and it's in your ears again right
0:50:44but the call is on the watch and I wasn't sure how to switch it back to my
0:50:49iPhone because I knew you could use handoff but I wasn't sure like if there
0:50:53was maybe a way to just say like on the phone like root to the like root to my
0:50:58phone like on my watch like send this to my phone I don't want to have this
0:51:01conversation like Dick Tracy right now it's not something I need to do so I
0:51:05grabbed my phone out my pocket and I had the little handoff icon and I flicked it
0:51:08up and the call just switched over what I did find out later because I watched
0:51:13one of the guided tour videos about phone calls because it seemed weird I
0:51:16tried I tried force touching and that wasn't working but it turns out you can
0:51:20you can scroll down and it has a button that lets you switch it this is an
0:51:25example, one of the reasons I bring this up because it's a good example of a
0:51:28frequent problem that I have with the Apple Watch is I don't know what
0:51:31interaction method is going to give me something. So I tried force touching
0:51:36because it seems like lots of stuff is hidden in the force touch menu but that
0:51:39didn't do it. But you actually scroll down but there was no way of me knowing
0:51:42to scroll down because there was no kind of indication that there was stuff below
0:51:45that screen because most screens are just one screen you don't scroll them. So
0:51:49it's like there are things that you still kind of have to get used to
0:51:52because the interactions don't seem the same. Having conversations on the watch
0:51:57via the phone is actually pretty cool. I do it in my house when I'm at home now
0:52:02and someone calls me I just answer on my watch and it works pretty well. I've had
0:52:06a few phone calls I haven't really noticed much latency like I haven't had
0:52:10any problems specifically and that's it's a surprisingly well working feature
0:52:14I think. So you guys can stop me at any time by the way if you have anything. 12.49
0:52:21I am at my cocktail making class now so I need to pay attention mainly. There are
0:52:28taps on my wrist every now and then to let me know that things are happening
0:52:30and I can kind of just raise the watch to my face where I need to. I notice some
0:52:37messages are coming in and I just know that they're there and that's fine and I
0:52:40archive some emails that are coming in. Mailbox has... doesn't have an app
0:52:46but obviously it takes account of the notifications, the snooze and the
0:52:50I'll get a notification so that's fine. So I can deal with that and that's good.
0:52:55I do find myself looking down at the watch and nothing's looking back up at me.
0:53:01And that is still frustrating. So like I want to know what the time is
0:53:05and I can't see it. And sometimes you raise it to your face and it doesn't
0:53:10it doesn't work and it happens enough that it's annoying.
0:53:13I'm trying to look at what the time is and I
0:53:17think that I'm doing what Apple wants me to do which is to raise it to my wrist.
0:53:20but sometimes you're maybe at the wrong angle, maybe you're laying down, and just sometimes it doesn't work.
0:53:25And with all of those things, any time this kind of stuff happens where you expect something to happen that should happen and it doesn't, it's frustrating.
0:53:32And I feel that the accuracy of this is not as good as I would want it to be.
0:53:39But also, like, the weird thing is, like, my hand is on the table right now.
0:53:44If I look down, I cannot see the time. That is weird on a watch.
0:53:48Like, flat out there, which is weird. That's not what I expect.
0:53:52Is it, uh, getting it to wake up, I mean, do you find more luck with it if you sort of do an exaggerated motion?
0:53:57You know, like, very deliberately turn your wrist over, or is it just sort of hit or miss no matter what you do?
0:54:03Um, like, I'm now, like, moving my wrist back and forth, like, spinning it, and it's not coming on.
0:54:10You have to raise it to your face for it to come on.
0:54:13Although now it's not doing it. Oh, there we go, now it's doing it.
0:54:15This is the thing, it just seems like you can't get it
0:54:18to work the way you want sometimes.
0:54:20It's frustrating.
0:54:21- I would imagine they're, you know,
0:54:25if it's going to be wrong, they want to be wrong
0:54:28for the sake of battery life, which seems like maybe
0:54:31not the right choice, but I guess they don't want it,
0:54:33you know, accidentally on all day
0:54:34and then you run the battery down by lunch,
0:54:37but that does seem frustrating, 'cause I mean,
0:54:39I'm in a dark room and, you know, I'm wearing
0:54:41my Casio today and I can just turn my, you know,
0:54:44just there my hand is just dangling here and I know what time it is and it's that
0:54:48seems like a pretty rough like transition if you're used to wearing a
0:54:53watch and it being really glanceable.
0:54:55Mm-hmm of course you can tap the screen as well
0:54:58which is what I do when it decides that it doesn't want to turn on I tap the
0:55:02screen sometimes with my finger and sometimes with my nose you know that's
0:55:05the way it is. 1253 my battery life on my watch is 89% my iPhone is 67%
0:55:14percent. I was using my iPhone a lot on the train which is why the battery is
0:55:19lower. I do think that it is having an impact on my phone battery. My phone
0:55:26while at home is running down to the point where I need to charge it in the
0:55:32daytime which sometimes that wouldn't happen. I don't think I have enough data
0:55:36yet to say categorically if that is happening but I think that it is and if
0:55:40that's happening to me over 6+, if you're an iPhone 6 or lower owner you
0:55:45are gonna be very sad with what the Apple Watch could be doing to your
0:55:47battery if I'm correct. But I think it is having an effect on my phone battery.
0:55:55At 1.27 p.m. my watch rebooted after I pressed the crown. I don't know why that
0:56:00happened, it just did. I've had this happen a couple of times using third
0:56:05party apps sometimes you use the app you press the crown to go home and it
0:56:11reboots that is a that is a thing seems fine I mean to be fair my iPhone 6 plus
0:56:17does that just you know switching to an app so what can you what can you do 1
0:56:2239 p.m. I used walking navigation for the first time so 15 taps to so turn
0:56:29right yeah they're gonna take some getting used to I think I could get used
0:56:33to them they do feel different I just couldn't remember which one did was for
0:56:36which like I could tell that one of them was it was a long list of taps and the
0:56:41other one was some groups of taps right that's how it works I think one is like
0:56:4512 taps in a row is left or right and then I think it's three sets of two taps
0:56:51is the other one I couldn't remember which one was which which isn't helpful
0:56:55I think it's I think there's a basic there's a basic math that we can use to
0:57:01to understand the left tap. So it's a series of like three series of two taps.
0:57:09So it's like six taps in total. So if you do 666 it's the number of devil, the devil is
0:57:18you know is evil and the left is usually associated with the evil you know in some
0:57:25traditions so the the six steps are evil and left and you should go left okay
0:57:31Wow let me know that makes sense I mean it's gonna stick in my brain now I mean
0:57:35that so it's it's a series of 12 taps to turn right and three pairs of two to
0:57:40turn left so you were right or close to right what what I thought of and it only
0:57:45works here and it doesn't work for you Myke is that like what I thought of is
0:57:51that you can make a right on red like if you're driving and so it's kind of
0:57:54continuous you don't have to you don't necessarily have to
0:57:56You have to stop but you know left you have like stop and look and so I don't know like that's kind of what made
0:58:02Me think of like a left-hand turn driving in the states is more dangerous, and you know requires like closer attention
0:58:09So that's just what I thought of like oh well you kind of
0:58:11Sort of like more attention going to the left. I don't know if that makes sense to anybody, but me but it
0:58:18This feature like the fact that it's 12 taps and then three sets of two or whatever
0:58:24It sums up so much of what I think about the Apple Watch of just being like
0:58:28complicated and not consistent in the way that it is complicated. I don't know
0:58:34it's I don't see myself using this this particular feature very much.
0:58:39So I want to go back a moment because there are some people in the chat room that
0:58:41are upset at me. The thing is like I'm turning my wrist in the same
0:58:48motion that I was a minute ago and it's now working that the screen is coming on.
0:58:51My point wasn't to say that it didn't work.
0:58:53My point is that I find it to be inconsistent.
0:58:56Sometimes the same movements can either turn the face on
0:59:00or do nothing.
0:59:01And that's my problem.
0:59:03And it doesn't not work.
0:59:05It's just sometimes it doesn't work.
0:59:06And that I find more frustrating than a consistent thing
0:59:09that I can bet on.
0:59:10- Yeah, and I've seen that comment from several,
0:59:13several people.
0:59:14I don't think it's just like your weird
0:59:17like British wrist action.
0:59:19At 2.28pm, Matt Alexander sent me his heartbeat and we exchanged some taps and doodles.
0:59:29I like digital touch a lot.
0:59:31I think that it is silly and sometimes kind of like why, but I like it.
0:59:37My favourite thing about it is the fact that there is no history of it.
0:59:42I like that the things that you send, they only exist in the time that you see them and
0:59:46the time that you send them there is no history of what's been sent. You cannot
0:59:49see what people have, how people have tapped you if you've already looked at
0:59:53it or what they have sent to you by doodling. I like that it is kind of like
0:59:57an ephemeral way of talking and I have been enjoying it. I think again like with
1:00:03the crazy freaky emoticons a lot of it is being used at least by me in a kind
1:00:07of ironic way right now. But I do like it. I'm enjoying it. I think it's
1:00:12fun and so that's something that I'm enjoying. Do you want to talk about the emoji?
1:00:20So you've sent some to me and I don't have a watch I've just got the phone and
1:00:24they show up in their gifts and you can drag them out of messages onto your
1:00:27desktop and it's a gif file like you have them there but they're they're
1:00:32weird right like we talked about that like how it's just the same odd oddly
1:00:37designed and childish but not in a cute way but in a creepy way.
1:00:43I like the fact that they are animated and that you're able to have control over
1:00:50them because it really makes sense that to be able to have choices of emoji so
1:00:57faces, hearts and hands and you can select which one you want by scrolling
1:01:01the digital crown and it cycles through. That is a very smart way of picking
1:01:06emoji, because there is also an emoji picker in some instances where you can
1:01:11pick the most recently used emoji on your iPhone and it's just more tapping
1:01:15and tapping and tapping. But you can be way more emotive by being able to change
1:01:19things by using the digital crown, scrolling through emotions or whatever.
1:01:23I think the 3D is the problem with it all. I think that I don't know why they
1:01:28are 3D. I think that's what makes a little sense to me. I think they would be
1:01:33a lot better if they were designed slightly differently. There are a lot of
1:01:37elements of the Apple Watch that are 3D, there are a lot that are like flat and
1:01:42there seems to be a mix between the two that I don't fully understand. But I just
1:01:48think that there is a overly comicalness to them which shouldn't be there and
1:01:56And they can be fun without being like stupid to look at.
1:02:03And I think it's a little too slapstick for me at times.
1:02:11But I am enjoying them very much sending them ironically to people because everybody that
1:02:15I send them to seems to hate them.
1:02:18Which is fun.
1:02:19- Can you define everybody?
1:02:21You, Steven, my girlfriend, Jason, who else have I sent them to?
1:02:28My mum didn't like it.
1:02:30Basically everyone that I have sent them to seems to find them really creepy or weird.
1:02:35I think Federico's response is to some of them have been the funniest because he just
1:02:39swears at me a lot when I send them.
1:02:43But yeah, I haven't sent them to one person yet who has enjoyed it.
1:02:50They're just creepy and I think part of the reason is the tongue of the little faces.
1:02:56Like, it moves and it's got like... is it sweat or like... I don't know. It's just weird.
1:03:02It's just creepy in many ways. It's the 3D and the animations and the tongue and it's
1:03:07just... they're creepy and weird. They're not cartoonish, they're just creepy.
1:03:12I'm gonna make one that I'm gonna send to Steven where like the guy is like screaming
1:03:19And it's terrifying because you can also force touch them and turn the guy from yellow to red.
1:03:28Oh wow. I just threw it up.
1:03:32So I'm sending this one to Steven and we'll actually put it in the show notes.
1:03:37So if you go to the site or if some apps support images and GIFs, so we'll put it in there.
1:03:42and it is horrifying.
1:03:45Like, this guy is in some serious terror
1:03:49and I don't know why he's so upset,
1:03:53but he is really upset and that upsets me.
1:03:57- Oh, oh.
1:03:58- It's scary, right?
1:04:00- He's so angry.
1:04:01- It's not anger, it's like,
1:04:03it's some form of horrific terror.
1:04:07And now Federico, I'm gonna send it to you two
1:04:11so you can also appreciate the horrors and the terror.
1:04:17I would like to have seen these supported on iOS and Mac devices better than them just
1:04:22showing up as animated gifs.
1:04:23See, and that's not just the animated...
1:04:26Oh my god.
1:04:29That's not just the...
1:04:30Okay, I wanna say stuff that I cannot say on the show.
1:04:35It's not just the animated gif, it's the black background.
1:04:39Like it makes it all, it makes it grim, you know, it makes it like, what's going on there?
1:04:45Like it's in danger or something.
1:04:48Why is it shaking?
1:04:49Oh man, I don't know.
1:04:51I don't know.
1:04:53Maybe there's just like, there's people who find, who find this funny or like pleasant
1:04:59in a way, maybe.
1:05:01I mean, there's all, there's all sorts of weird people out there.
1:05:05You never know.
1:05:06Because the thing is about them, there is real utility in them because I'm able to send like a thumbs up, right?
1:05:11Which is exactly what I use them in the same way that we use emoji and
1:05:15The picking of them is very good. The problem is they look too weird and that is a real issue
1:05:21I have a question for you Myke. So when I reply to someone on the Apple watch, yeah on iMessage
1:05:27Do I get to choose between these creepy faces and the standard static emoji?
1:05:34Let me check.
1:05:35If I get to choose normal traditional emoji, do I get like a grid of my recent emoji?
1:05:41Because I always use the same emoji. I don't want these little shaking guys.
1:05:46I just want my traditional classical, you know, artisanal emoji.
1:05:52Right, so what you have here, when you click to reply to a message,
1:05:58you get canned responses, which you're able to edit some as well.
1:06:01you can put in six standard ones which is great.
1:06:04And also I found it to do a pretty good job
1:06:08of picking out the words.
1:06:10I think it does a pretty good job of that.
1:06:11But you get four panels when you click the little,
1:06:15there's a little emoji icon,
1:06:17a little face that you can click which is next to Siri.
1:06:20And you get a creepy face guy.
1:06:23You get hearts, a section of hearts,
1:06:28selection of hands, and then a recent, and then kind of all emoji. You can pick from
1:06:34all of the emoji, you just scroll down down down down down and they're categorized. The
1:06:39list gets really laggy, but they're all there, you can use them all, you just gotta find
1:06:42them. And that could take a while. So there, there we go. It's there, you're able to get
1:06:53to them. One of the things that I find craziest is I think it's running the 8.2 set of emoji,
1:07:00not 8.3, so the watch emoji is the old watch and not the Apple watch.
1:07:04Oh okay. That's so weird. So I sent a watch emoji to someone and it was the wrong watch
1:07:12and it was like "ah that's weird". So yeah. Should I carry on with my diary?
1:07:19Yes please.
1:07:20At 3, so yeah, at 3.53 I noted that the quick suggestions to reply to messages were a lot
1:07:27better than the iPhone because I thought you get a longer list.
1:07:30So on the iPhone you get the three, right?
1:07:32But on the Apple Watch you get a list that you can scroll and pick them and sometimes
1:07:37there's better ones in there.
1:07:40At 4.21pm I was getting ready to leave my cocktail class.
1:07:44It was a great class, I learnt how to make great cocktails.
1:07:48She was like, but I wasn't finished, we were in the last part of the class.
1:07:53And Adina was coming to meet me and she was texting me about her direction and I could
1:07:58quickly see her messages coming in as she was approaching and I could either just see
1:08:04them so I knew they were there, I didn't need to grab my phone to check what she was saying
1:08:07because sometimes she's like "I'll meet you here" or whatever and you don't need to reply
1:08:10to that always.
1:08:11Or I could quickly tap an "OK" reply or a "Yes" reply or something like that.
1:08:17I was able to check in to the bar on Foursquare before I left using the app.
1:08:22This will be my first... so this is the first time I've mentioned third-party apps.
1:08:28There's so much lag.
1:08:29The lag is so bad.
1:08:32And the lag comes from just spinners.
1:08:34You just open an app and it starts spinning.
1:08:37And I have had, and I've timed it, I've waited for two to three minutes for an app to load.
1:08:43And it's like, I don't know what to do with this.
1:08:46I don't know what to do here.
1:08:48Just give up.
1:08:50Because as well, one of the other things is the watch turns itself off after a number
1:08:53of seconds.
1:08:54So I'm looking at it and it's spinning and then the screen goes off, I tap it and it's
1:08:57still spinning, the screen goes off and I tap it and it's still spinning and we just
1:09:00do this for a while.
1:09:02Because the watch could load the app but it doesn't light the screen back up again so
1:09:06I have to keep checking.
1:09:09That's gonna get better I know but like for the time being until the SDK like that is
1:09:13always gonna be a problem.
1:09:15Some apps are way better than others.
1:09:18I don't know if it's development time.
1:09:19I don't think, like, hard time with the watch because companies like Foursquare have that
1:09:24problem and I'm sure Foursquare got to try on a watch.
1:09:28I'm sure that there's also things that when developers have it with them they can do things
1:09:32to make it better but the situation is right now third party app support is leaving a bit
1:09:41to be desired, unfortunately.
1:09:43I have a question.
1:09:45So can you explain to me, because I read the reviews, I couldn't figure this out.
1:09:51When you open an app on the watch, like when you go to the home screen, whatever it's called,
1:09:57and you tap an app, and you see the spinner because it's loading, does the watch turn
1:10:05off by itself after a few seconds?
1:10:07Like is there like a forced auto-lock for the watch?
1:10:13You cannot configure this out of locked time.
1:10:17No.
1:10:18This is just wrong, why wouldn't you?
1:10:22Probably because the battery would die.
1:10:24Yeah, I want my battery to die, so what?
1:10:27Just let me choose, you know?
1:10:29So how many seconds is that?
1:10:30I think it's no more than like, it's like around 10 seconds.
1:10:37But what if, I mean, if you're tapping the screen it doesn't turn off.
1:10:41That's correct.
1:10:42Okay, so if you're just waiting for more than 10 seconds, it turns off because you're waiting and you're not touching the screen.
1:10:49Yep.
1:10:49So when you unlock the watch again,
1:10:53are you taking to the same screen you were looking at?
1:10:58That is up to you.
1:10:59Okay.
1:11:01Typically what happens is
1:11:03it brings you back to the previous app that you were in, but you can set it to just take you back to the watch face.
1:11:11So there are issues where this there are times where this is a big problem. Like I was playing trivia crack
1:11:16Which is a game which actually is amazing on the Apple watch. I can't believe some of the animations that they've been able to do
1:11:23And you get 30 seconds to answer your question
1:11:26If you're just looking at the screen thinking about your answer
1:11:29You end up in a situation where it where it goes off
1:11:34It's like oh so now I need to tap it so I can turn it back on again. Yeah, where's my nose?
1:11:40Gotta get my nose ready. Yep. I mean I do wonder
1:11:43surely watch kit
1:11:46you know has a
1:11:48Lot of blame here more than likely and it sounds like you know developers. We know talking about it seems to be the case
1:11:52but I do wonder if if
1:11:55The SDK is the the end-all be-all or if there is you know hardware at play here
1:12:01You know slowing keeping things slow. I think the watch kit
1:12:05Stuff you know well as that fades out in the SDK app move in you know at some point Apple said this year
1:12:12I think
1:12:13Hopefully we get better, but I just I'm still like
1:12:16Reserving judgment. I I see you know all you guys using the watch
1:12:20And I think that I will be very hesitant to use a lot of apps and only really go to them
1:12:25When I have to and I don't I don't see this. I don't see me cramming my watch full of
1:12:31Every single app that you know is built into my iPhone now that that has watch stuff
1:12:36It just seems like like overkill and seems like a really frustrating experience. So why?
1:12:40Why deal with it if I don't have to a couple of points on that?
1:12:43In general Apple's watch apps don't have this problem
1:12:49There are some times where it is spinning a bit while it's grabbing some data
1:12:52So like if you open mail, it will spin but it's for seconds not for minutes
1:12:57The other thing is you said that you only have to go to it when you have to
1:13:00You're still gonna face the same problem though
1:13:02I know what you're saying
1:13:04But like by not putting a lot of apps on it doesn't mean that you're not gonna have this spinning
1:13:09No, it's I'm not saying that like fewer apps make it faster
1:13:12I'm just saying that if the apps are cruddy right now then like why deal with them at all
1:13:17like why not just use the notifications and the time stuff and it glances and
1:13:21Okay, I just I don't think I'm ever gonna like open a watch app to hell and uber
1:13:25I think I'm gonna always put my phone out of my pocket.
1:13:27But see this is the thing though, I would prefer to use a watch app to hail an Uber.
1:13:31This is the thing right, so now that I'm using the device, I am seeing there are so many times where
1:13:39I would prefer my main method of operation for quick things that require typically a couple of
1:13:45taps to be on the watch. To call an Uber, you typically open the Uber app, you tap a button to
1:13:52say where you are and you confirm. I don't want to be pulling my iPhone out
1:13:56my pocket anymore to perform an action that takes three taps. I should just do
1:14:00that on my watch because it is an experience that takes 30 seconds.
1:14:07I don't need to have my phone in my hand in theory to do that anymore
1:14:11because I have a device which is strapped to my wrist which can do that
1:14:14stuff. So whilst I get what you're saying I think for me anyway having used it
1:14:21there are times where I want to do this stuff. Like for example, Overcast. Now I
1:14:26don't want to have to pull my phone out to either start a podcast or change a
1:14:31podcast. I just want to use the watch app instead to pick my podcast because my
1:14:35hands are already out in front of me.
1:14:39And your nose is ready.
1:14:41And my nose is ready. My nose is ready to make the taps.
1:14:44So when you use Overcast, does the audio play from the iPhone, from the watch?
1:14:51- Yes.
1:14:51- For what?
1:14:53- Oh, sorry, sorry, I missed him.
1:14:55I answered before I heard the end of your question.
1:14:57It plays on the iPhone, it doesn't play on the watch.
1:15:00That is one of the things in the SDK
1:15:02is developers can't have access to the speaker.
1:15:04It plays on my iPhone.
1:15:06So basically now, for example, I have done this,
1:15:10I have had my iPhone charging in the other room,
1:15:13I have had my Jambox in another room,
1:15:16and I have my watch on my wrist,
1:15:18and I can start a podcast playing on the Jambox
1:15:20because it just starts playing on the iPhone which is connected to the to the
1:15:24Jambox. That's actually another question that I had. What about proximity with the
1:15:30iPhone and the Apple Watch? Do you need to be close for the watch to be faster
1:15:35because of Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and stuff? I don't know about faster but I was
1:15:40using the watch to make... I was on the phone on the watch and had to leave my
1:15:46house like to go out to the garden and I could still talk on the phone it does a
1:15:52really good job and I haven't noticed a problem being out of the house like if
1:15:59it's not on Wi-Fi it doesn't seem to have any more of issues to me anyway I
1:16:03haven't noticed that right I still have a bunch more to say and we're running
1:16:10shorter on time so maybe I take a break now and we see where we get by the end
1:16:13of it because I know we were going to talk about music but I think that I do actually
1:16:18still have a bunch of other stuff Apple Watch related that I wanted to discuss.
1:16:20Yeah sure.
1:16:21Excellent.
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1:17:38So let me go back to where I was in my diary here.
1:17:44At 4.26pm I left the bar where my class was, which is genuinely a cocktail class, like
1:17:50it sounds so weird, I left the bar where my class was being held.
1:17:53What cocktail did you make, anyway?
1:17:55I made a selection of cocktails.
1:17:57I made a Tom Collins, an Old Fashioned, I helped make a Punch, which is the whole class
1:18:04as helping make this punch. I made a sour of some description that I can't remember.
1:18:11I think it's called a Daisy. And I made one of a drink that I can't remember the name
1:18:15of at all.
1:18:16>> I have a quick confession.
1:18:18>> Yes.
1:18:19>> If you allow me just like 30 seconds.
1:18:21>> Yes.
1:18:22>> I feel like I'm approaching 20, being 27. And I see a lot of people my age on Twitter
1:18:27being experts about cocktails. They need, they know how to drink. And instead, the only
1:18:34cocktail I know is the old-fashioned and because of Don Draper on Mad Men.
1:18:38I feel sometimes I feel stupid because when I think of drinking I think of like you know
1:18:43those maybe stupid young cocktails like vodka, Red Bull and stuff or beer, just beer.
1:18:52And instead there's people on Twitter who are really serious and fancy about their cocktails
1:18:58and I feel slightly more ignorant.
1:19:01I don't know. Sometimes I feel stupid for stupid stuff.
1:19:04Yeah. Well, so this is one of the reasons I went to the class because I like a couple of cocktails.
1:19:09I want to learn how to make more cocktails.
1:19:11So I went to my girlfriend knows this and so she she got me a cocktail class for my birthday.
1:19:17Do you feel more educated now?
1:19:21Yeah. A lot more. A lot more.
1:19:23You don't have to leave the house though. Our friends at Studio Neat make an app called Highball.
1:19:27It has lots of techniques and recipes and stuff in it.
1:19:31- Yep. - Put that in the show notes.
1:19:32- I like that.
1:19:33- We haven't said where the show notes are, I don't think.
1:19:35Federico, where are the show notes this week?
1:19:38- They're on the web.
1:19:40You just go to the web and you will find it.
1:19:43Yeah.
1:19:44- Just type the show notes into Google.
1:19:47What's the AOL keyword?
1:19:49- What's the what?
1:19:51- The AOL keyword.
1:19:52- Yeah, we didn't have that stuff in Italy.
1:19:56Not sure what it means.
1:19:57Anyway, you can go to relay.fm/connected/37.
1:20:04I feel like that whole thing again was just us stalling until you worked out the show
1:20:07number.
1:20:08No, no, no, I knew this time because I think there was a... in the document we...
1:20:14So we're gonna follow up on AOL keywords next week.
1:20:16Put it in the notes.
1:20:19I really don't want to.
1:20:21Okay so at 4.26 I used maps again to direct me to a gallery.
1:20:29I had decided at this point, and this is the way that I feel like, the taps are fine but
1:20:32sometimes I actually found them come a little bit late for the turning that I needed or
1:20:35it was just a bit confusing.
1:20:37All I really wanted from maps on iOS, which is exactly what I've got, is to be able to
1:20:42check the map, like so it shows the little blue line of where I'm supposed to walk, on
1:20:46my wrist.
1:20:47That was what I wanted and it's awesome, it gives me exactly what I want, I can zoom in
1:20:50and out and it nice and smoothly shows me where I'm gonna go because I'm pretty
1:20:54good at map reading when I had the big blue line there right I know where I can
1:20:58see this street I can see that Street I can see I've got to take my path that
1:21:01way it's perfect I can do it that's killer for me I love it I love the fact
1:21:05that that that like when I was thinking you know like when you think about what
1:21:09do you want that's this device to be when you know it exists and you know
1:21:14what it can do like after you've seen the introduction of it you're like
1:21:17thinking in your daily life the things you want to be able to use it for. Maps
1:21:22was a big thing for me because I walk around and so this was a good thing for
1:21:26me. I was very happy about that. As I approached the gallery and the other
1:21:32reason I mentioned this stuff and the thing I'm about to mention now is
1:21:35just to give ideas in the way that I have used it. So I was approaching the
1:21:39gallery because I was then going to a gallery. Me and my girlfriend we were
1:21:43go into an exhibition and I was able to ask I was able to bring up Siri and I
1:21:48could dictate a message and send it to her like that's the kind of stuff where
1:21:52I found it to be very useful and it was just very quick and I could get it done
1:21:56at 5 25 p.m. my watch is at 63% my iPhone is at 41% at 5 45 p.m. we sat down at a
1:22:07restaurant for a meal. At 5.45? Yep. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Let's say it was lunch.
1:22:18Let's not do that again. I don't know. It was a pizza? No! Look, we were in London,
1:22:25we'd just been to the restaurant. It's not an excuse, you could be, I don't know, in
1:22:29Paris or in Singapore. This is like a late lunch, alright? Late lunch. It's not a late
1:22:35lunch it's not an early dinner it's nothing at 5.45. I hadn't eaten since breakfast and I was
1:22:40drinking alcohol I needed a meal anyway. That's real penalty Myke. Well I was at class.
1:22:46Making cocktails. It's like road testing a device I was very sleepy. The only table was outside so
1:22:54I used dark sky on the watch to check if it was going to rain. It told me it wasn't going to rain
1:22:59but it did rain a little bit so this was dark skies fort not the apple watch.
1:23:037.54pm, 54% battery life on my watch, 29% on my phone. At 8.15pm I did a little bit
1:23:12of grocery shopping and I used clear on my watch to check things off which is
1:23:16kind of cool. So I had my clear list up. So this is where the watch going off
1:23:20coming back on worked well right. So I just had clear open and I could look and
1:23:24be like right that's the next thing that I need. I put my arm down the screen
1:23:26would go off I'd raise it again clear would still be there. So that was pretty
1:23:29good. That worked in that scenario. I wanted to leave Clear open, I didn't want
1:23:34the screen to stay on the whole time obviously, so it worked. 8.45 p.m. start
1:23:40cooking something and I was able to set a timer with Siri which was very good
1:23:46and again same idea as Clear. I don't close the app, so I don't close
1:23:53the timer app and then I can look at my watch and it will tell me how long is
1:23:58remaining on my timer so I can prep my other ingredients to kind of match up at
1:24:02the right kind of times. So again, this is like another use that was very good for
1:24:07me I think. At 9.32 p.m. I had a text conversation by just dictating to the
1:24:12watch like maybe four or five messages each side. It went flawlessly, it was just
1:24:17a lot easier than grabbing my phone in some instances. I can just be like, "Oh, you
1:24:21know, yes I did that today, it was good. I'll just press send and it's done." I found
1:24:26Siri to be way more accurate on the watch. I don't know why, I just have.
1:24:33Some people say the opposite, you know. Mileage varies, like I usually get
1:24:39really frustrated at Siri on the phone and I haven't found myself frustrated as
1:24:46much with the watch. But the other thing is that the great fallback is you can
1:24:49just send the audio file. That was really smart, that was one of those
1:24:54things where someone had a good day when they were thinking that feature up, right?
1:24:58You can just... it's recording your audio, you can just send the audio, or if Siri
1:25:02worked you can send the message. Do you use audio messages much these days?
1:25:07I don't. I have started using them more now that's like in the odd occasion where
1:25:11Siri hasn't got it right I use it, but I've also been sending audio messages to
1:25:15people now because I do it on the watch. Because it's like a bigger feature than
1:25:18it is on the iPhone. And it kind of makes... sometimes it just makes sense to do that
1:25:23I find. I guess it feels more natural on the watch. That's good to know.
1:25:28I've been sending a few of those audio messages so that's
1:25:33I like that, that you touch this feature. Yeah it's good, it's very good.
1:25:38And the microphone is okay, like it's fine. At 9.33 p.m. my watch is at 37% and
1:25:46my phone is at 20%. I've now put my phone on charge at this point and other than
1:25:53like kind of like general usage at 1.14 a.m. which is when I went to sleep my
1:25:56watch battery was at 22%. So I have found every single day that I've used it that
1:26:01the watch battery remains and I have had some instances like I was awake one day
1:26:07this week and it would be the same today where I was awake at 8 a.m. and I went to
1:26:12sleep at 3 a.m. and I still had 10% battery life on the watch. So for right
1:26:19Right now it's midnight and I have 11% but I know that that's gonna last me for the next
1:26:26few hours.
1:26:27I haven't had to put it into power reserve.
1:26:29It's been great.
1:26:30Can you tell us a bit more about power reserve?
1:26:33So when, actually it just come up and said you have 10% power remaining.
1:26:39So put it in power reserve, tell us what it's like.
1:26:41I've already done it and I don't want to do it.
1:26:42So I could tell you what happens.
1:26:44When you put it into power reserve it asks you some questions like you know you're gonna
1:26:48do this you're gonna put into power reserve now and then all it does is you have a black screen
1:26:53with a green digital watch face that will come up whenever you... Why do they like green?
1:26:58No idea, I don't know why they chose... Green watch face? My guess is that that is
1:27:03uh really low power on the AMOLED screen you can probably do red green you can probably do red
1:27:10green or blue because of white you're gonna need uh more pixels and my guess is that green was
1:27:16easiest to read so that's that's what they went for. That's real engineer of you
1:27:20Steven. Thank you. Real smart. Real Dr. Dwayne. So then that's all the watch does
1:27:26and the reason I didn't want to put it into it now is because to get it out of
1:27:29power reserve you have to shut the watch down and then turn it back on again. Or
1:27:34seriously? Yeah. Or charge it maybe like if you come back over the threshold does
1:27:38it come out of it? I haven't tried that. I would imagine that it would come out
1:27:43of it but I think I think it tells you I'm just gonna do it now see what it
1:27:47says so I think it tells you the way you bring it out is yeah power reserve
1:27:51prolongs battery life by turning off all features except the current time to exit
1:27:54power reserve press and hold the slide button the side button and then it turns
1:27:58the device off and on again so I have a kind of no maybe not a strange question
1:28:06but a real specific question all right can you do you know the free emergency
1:28:11calls with the Apple Watch?
1:28:16There is nothing that I can see which tells you how to do it.
1:28:19I guess if I asked Siri to call me an emergency it would do that, but there isn't a thing
1:28:26anywhere which says emergency calling that I can find.
1:28:28You should definitely not try that on the air.
1:28:30I'm not going to try it ever.
1:28:34She called the police and said "Help, I'm stuck recording a podcast."
1:28:38The phone app has favorites recent contacts in voicemail.
1:28:41It doesn't have anything in it about emergency calling.
1:28:44Because you can't dial a number.
1:28:47Yeah.
1:28:48Yeah, makes sense.
1:28:49Yeah, I thought maybe you could dial a number with Siri, but I don't know.
1:28:54I'm sure I could ask Siri to call that.
1:28:58I'm not going to say it in case it does it for anyone.
1:29:00Please don't do that.
1:29:02So I'm sure you could have it do that, but I haven't tried that.
1:29:06I bet it would work. Yeah, I have a follow-up question the
1:29:09Ahoy telephone feature. Uh-huh. Do you say hey, and then you say the name of Apple's digital assistant?
1:29:16That that's on the watch all the time
1:29:19Is that sensitive like it is like it seems to be on the iPhone or do they have that honed in pretty well where it's not
1:29:25accidentally going off all the time and
1:29:27Follow-up number two. Can you turn that feature off most of the time that I have tried to invoke that it has not worked
1:29:35hence the fact that therefore it is very solid.
1:29:40Frustrating.
1:29:41Well, instead I just pressed the crown to hold the crown.
1:29:48You probably, I don't know if you can turn it off.
1:29:50I haven't found it and I'm looking in the app now and I can't see like a place that
1:29:55would make sense to me that you would be able to turn it off.
1:29:59I can't see it.
1:30:01Okay.
1:30:02you know just the the the joke of you can go to the Apple Store and shout
1:30:07those two magical words and all the phones go off like can you imagine that
1:30:10and a room full of people wearing the Apple watch and just like watches going
1:30:15off everywhere yeah I could see that that that could happen but say I have I
1:30:19have struggled to get it to do it yeah okay one of the things that I've felt
1:30:27the strongest about is the way that you think about the device. Like initially I
1:30:35was like I was using the device in the wrong way like I was going to it to do
1:30:41things rather than waiting for it to come to me which is a slight difference
1:30:46between the way that you use the iPhone and the Apple Watch. Like the iPhone you
1:30:50go to the iPhone and you do things to the iPhone you go and get information
1:30:53you ask it to do things, you play games, you go to Twitter, like that kind of stuff.
1:30:57But with the Apple Watch what I have found is the device makes way more sense when I just interact
1:31:01mainly with things that are coming my way that the watch is telling me to do.
1:31:06And once I was able to kind of lock into my brain the usage of that, I've been way happier with the watch as a device.
1:31:13It makes more sense to me that way. I really really love the tap.
1:31:18The taptic feedback is great.
1:31:21It makes perfect sense to me. I don't find it distracting so much in that you can be
1:31:29typing or whatever and it will tap but the screen doesn't come on. It just taps you,
1:31:33which I think is the right way to do it. And then I then take a look at it when I want
1:31:37to. I am trying something out with the Apple Watch.
1:31:41Because I've mentioned this before, I tend to leave my phone in Do Not Disturb most of
1:31:46the time. But I am not leaving my watch in Do Not Disturb and I am trying to get to the
1:31:50point where I am bringing all of the notifications down to where that makes sense for me.
1:31:57So I'm working through that at the moment to the point where I've even at the moment
1:32:00like right now because I want to be notified about tweetbot DMs I've decided but I don't
1:32:06want to be notified about tweetbot mentions but I don't want to change...
1:32:09Who does want to be notified about tweetbot mentions?
1:32:12Exactly.
1:32:13I don't want to change my tweetbot notifications on the phone because I would have to change
1:32:19them to make it work on the watch so I have enabled Twitterrific to be
1:32:23notified me about DMs on the phone which will then notify me on the watch.
1:32:28So I just get notifications about DMs that way. Plus with Twitterrific you can
1:32:33actually reply to them on the watch so makes sense. The other thing is that the
1:32:40home screen is just the worst thing in the entire world. Why? Trying to position
1:32:46apps is an absolute nightmare. They just move all over the place, whether
1:32:51you're doing it on the watch or in the app, the companion app, because you can move them in
1:32:56both places, it just seems to just move them all around all over the place.
1:33:02It's so difficult to get things to stay where you want them to be without
1:33:05moving an entire line. It's inelegant. Because as well, you can't...
1:33:12I don't know the exact geometry of it but the icons have to be touching in a certain
1:33:17way to lock into a place, like maybe between two you can't attach one to one.
1:33:23It has to be attached to two different ones.
1:33:25It's just really difficult.
1:33:26And it's difficult to explain, but it's a nightmare.
1:33:29It's kind of like Minecraft for home screens.
1:33:34I guess so.
1:33:36Did you spend time making one of those weirdly specific layouts?
1:33:44Mine is basically just like the...
1:33:47It's a bunch of icons.
1:33:48Yeah, what I've tried to do is just try and group them in a way that makes sense.
1:33:54Like travel apps go over there and productivity like apps go over there.
1:34:00So I remember from the first reviews, some people mentioned that it can be difficult
1:34:05to tap on a specific icon, did you see this problem?
1:34:09I opened the wrong one all the time.
1:34:11Oh, okay. So you did see the problem.
1:34:14Yeah.
1:34:15You get the wrong spinner for just minutes.
1:34:16Like right now I just tried to hit OmniFocus and I opened the watch instead.
1:34:19Well, that's basically the same thing.
1:34:22Yeah, sure.
1:34:25What about complications, Myke?
1:34:27Yep.
1:34:28Can you tell us about, like, is there a screenshot of your setup anywhere? Did you share a screenshot
1:34:35your Apple watch? I tweeted it. Where is it? So I am using the utility face.
1:34:42Okay, so it's the... oh that's the analog one. Yes. Oh that's another topic
1:34:48that I want to discuss about me being stupid but please move on. We don't have
1:34:52time for this. I like the analog one. I like the way it looks. I like that I can
1:34:56change some of the accent colors so I have it blue to match my watch. And I
1:35:01have... you can enable the date, time and date on here which I like and it shows
1:35:08where you'd expect that on an analog watch. And I have three other
1:35:11complications. I have the New York time zone and the San Francisco time zone
1:35:15because the other American time zones I can kind of work out in the middle. And I
1:35:19also have my calendar and I like that. I like that they're there. I use them all
1:35:23time. So the utility face. Yeah that's the one that I use. I try it out like
1:35:31modular is good it's the one that enables allows for the most complications
1:35:35but I just don't think it's very attractive. That's the one like with the
1:35:39big digital clock on it. I have a question. If it's not on all the time
1:35:46why do you want your watch face to be attractive? Does it need to be attractive
1:35:51to you? I like looking at it. Do you? Yes. Maybe you do for now. I mean if it's not
1:36:00on all the time because you know a nice watch is kind of like a statement
1:36:03because you want others to see your watch but if it's only on when you raise
1:36:08your wrist maybe right now you do like the appearance of the of the utility
1:36:13phase but maybe in the end you will come to prefer the practicality of the of the
1:36:19modular face. Just a thought, I don't know.
1:36:21Well I tried the modular face first.
1:36:23And I get your point, but
1:36:25I guess it depends on, and this isn't
1:36:27like, I'm not aiming this at you,
1:36:29but I guess it depends on what
1:36:31what customisation
1:36:33of fashion is to you.
1:36:35Like, to me, I get what you're saying,
1:36:37but to me these kinds of things aren't
1:36:39necessarily for how I present
1:36:41to the world. I like to look
1:36:43at it because I think it looks good and I
1:36:45want, I want when I look
1:36:47look at my watch to feel like yeah that looks the way that I want and because
1:36:52currently my favorite thing about the Apple watch is how beautiful the watch
1:36:56face that I use is in my opinion I love it I think it looks fantastic and every
1:37:01time it comes on like because you know I've moved my arm and I catch it out of
1:37:05the corner of my eye or I raise it to my face to look at the time I find myself
1:37:11quite frequently blown away by how good I think it looks that also goes for the
1:37:16same with the app screen and actually many screens because the screen on this
1:37:20thing is incredible. It is so good-looking, the colors are so bright and
1:37:26so vibrant and you know the pixel density for the screen size is just
1:37:32excellent. The screen on this thing is way better than it needs to be.
1:37:37How do you feel about the Pebble now? Do you remember when we did the the Pebble
1:37:43episode. Do you have any any follow-up on that? Well the pebble will last for five
1:37:51days battery but my pebble would die all the time. Jason spoke about this a bunch
1:37:57and I agree with him because because I was never used to charging my pebble
1:38:02because it didn't need to be charged every day it would die on me randomly
1:38:05you know not randomly but like it would the battery would be dead like I would
1:38:10go away for two days forget to charge it wouldn't have to charge in cable with me
1:38:14it'd be like 10% battery remaining so trap the pebble was good for what it did
1:38:18but you know it was the fact remains as I've been saying for a while which was
1:38:23the pebble was never gonna be able to compete with the Apple watch because the
1:38:26Apple watch can tie into iOS which the pebble could never do like it just could
1:38:30never do it and it's like night and day now because the Apple watch does way
1:38:38more. The Apple Watch frustrates me way more than the Purple ever did, but that's because
1:38:42it's more complex, so inherently it makes more sense that that would happen.
1:38:46What's the thing you liked the most about the Watch so far?
1:38:55The thing that I liked the very very most is one animation, which is when you're on
1:39:00the home screen, which is where all the apps are. I should talk about this maybe next week,
1:39:07about how much the difference between the clock screen and the app screen frustrate me.
1:39:11But when you're on the home screen, when you're looking at your apps,
1:39:16and you zoom out with the digital crown to the watch,
1:39:19the watch faces animate into place, and different watch faces animate in different ways.
1:39:25Oh.
1:39:26Yeah, like for example, I think it's called the solar one,
1:39:31the solar one which shows where the moon is.
1:39:34the watch icon zooms out to become the moon on the face.
1:39:42Oh wow, that has to be nice.
1:39:44Yeah, it's very pretty.
1:39:46But my favourite, well the one that I love because I look at it all the time,
1:39:51is when I zoom out, or zoom in, yeah zoom in,
1:39:55basically just all of the elements of my watch face come into view.
1:39:59So I see the hands first and then the number 12
1:40:03And then it cycles around, filling in all of the other numbers the closer I get.
1:40:07It's like it all ticks into place. It's very nice. I really, really like it.
1:40:14That's probably my favorite thing. A bunch of the animations and UI things.
1:40:19I really like, like, some of the notifications are beautiful. The calendar notification is beautiful.
1:40:26Yeah, I think it's just the way this thing looks is my favorite thing.
1:40:32What's the overall mic take on the Apple Watch for now?
1:40:38Based on a few days.
1:40:40You don't need it.
1:40:42I think once you get it, you see and you can see how it fits into your life, now I don't want to let it go.
1:40:51But if someone's on the fence, I wouldn't tell them to buy it right now, I would say maybe to wait a little bit longer.
1:40:57Unless you are and when I say that I mean like, you know people in my life
1:41:02Not necessarily nerds. I mean if you enjoy this podcast
1:41:07You probably will really like the watch and I would say look into it and see if you think it's right for you
1:41:12Like go and try one and if you like the look of it
1:41:15Or if you like hearing what I've been talking about and that really interests you and you think you can overlook some of the pitfalls
1:41:21Of it which in general I am able to do
1:41:25Then you maybe should get it, but I don't think people need it right now
1:41:29I think that's still gonna take some time because the the OS still needs to grow. This is very 1.0
1:41:35It reminds me of other 1.0 products. It reminds me of the iPhone
1:41:38Because it does a lot of things great. It does some things not so well
1:41:43But I can you know
1:41:45We saw how the iPhone progressed and I think this thing will progress too like it just makes sense to me that it's gonna get
1:41:50better
1:41:52Thank you, Myke. That was a we're gonna I want to you I want to hear more of your diary. I assume there's more
1:41:59Well that day is done
1:42:02Okay, the cocktail day the cocktail day
1:42:04But I have more I have way more stuff that I have way more stuff that I want to talk about that
1:42:09I haven't spoken about yet
1:42:11so
1:42:13But the thing is I hope now that one of you guys will have one by next week
1:42:16So you want to be talking not gonna happen?
1:42:19But if it is the case, then I will continue talking about it because every day I have new thoughts about this device, so...
1:42:25Well, Myke, we... we...
1:42:27Well, Steven and I didn't exactly talk about this, but I want to say that we have decided that in order to properly test the Apple Watch, you will need to exercise.
1:42:38Okay. That's perfectly fine.
1:42:42Can you?
1:42:43Yes, can you?
1:42:45I always do.
1:42:47do. I don't have a watch but I feel like it would be interesting to
1:42:53to hear your take on the workout features. You know? I mean if
1:43:00Steven gets his Apple watch he can test a bunch of workout
1:43:04features because he runs... What do you do? You have a bike Steven?
1:43:09Yeah several different bikes for varying occasions.
1:43:14Nice, so run a little bit do some weight. So yeah, that's really what I'm interested in is seeing how that
1:43:20You know how that changes that cuz I don't know about you guys were like
1:43:24Working out the six plus is just awkward in every way and even oh, yeah, I just I just own a bike
1:43:30I have an idea. I just keep it in my on my desk when I'm doing like
1:43:33Crunches and sit-ups in my room, you know, it's very basic setup
1:43:40I'm guessing that when you're running it can be awkward to strap the six plus your body
1:43:44Yeah, I was carrying in like a little wagon behind me. It's worked out well
1:43:49So Myke it'd be cool Myke to hear your your opinion on the on the fitness features
1:43:55Yeah, one of the things that annoys me the most it's like my my favorite way of exercising
1:44:01I'm not gonna use is swimming right? I'm not gonna swim with this on. I'm just not gonna do that
1:44:09I have found the fitness tracking stuff, walking and things like that to be great
1:44:12And I like it's making me stand up. So I like that it does that
1:44:18It's doing the whole standing up thing
1:44:20So you don't think that's annoying?
1:44:23No, I don't find it annoying.
1:44:24Because I saw people on Twitter
1:44:24Oh my god, I'm already annoyed by the notifications to stand up
1:44:28It's just one notification that I can ignore but most of the time it's making me stand up
1:44:33So if it annoys me twice a day
1:44:35but five times a day makes me get up and walk around for a few minutes then I in
1:44:39the aggregate I'm happy with it. Very cool. Right so that's about the end of this
1:44:45week's episode there will be more next week I'm sure I want to take a moment to
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1:45:15M Y K E. You can find the show notes for this week over at relay.fm/connected/37. Thank
1:45:24you so much for listening and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.
1:45:29>> Arrivaderci.
1:45:30>> Adios.