The Accidental Tech Podcast

161: Dark Mode Is Your Hat

 

  never gone back recently to to attract [TS]

  by that actually has a button like a [TS]

  separate button area that you can't just [TS]

  like the whole thing ever spent was that [TS]

  the one we added that the non unibody [TS]

  macbook pro the button had been so [TS]

  filled with child filth that it would [TS]

  like it was like not click down Linkin [TS]

  knocked down like physically would know [TS]

  yeah yeah so I guess that won't happen [TS]

  with the four strategies let's get out [TS]

  like an even crust of disgusting as a [TS]

  kids are grossmont so we should do a [TS]

  little bit of follow-up in one of you [TS]

  wants to talk about cellular service on [TS]

  max a couple of listeners because we [TS]

  talked a lot about the mac class show [TS]

  the viability of the mac whether it's [TS]

  going to be replaced by the ipad if it's [TS]

  dead platform all that stuff and [TS]

  multiple people asked us about a topic [TS]

  that has come up in the show before but [TS]

  didn't come up on the last episode is [TS]

  related to the question of another case [TS]

  he was talking about this how you can go [TS]

  anywhere with an ipad and do anything [TS]

  because it's got a cellular connection [TS]

  and it's got Wi-Fi and its kind of [TS]

  all-in-one yeah if you have a laptop you [TS]

  can tether it but then you also need [TS]

  your phone and your drain your phone's [TS]

  battery and didn't take the next step [TS]

  and talk about the topic the evergreen [TS]

  topic of why do max not have cellular [TS]

  connections what is it like these a lot [TS]

  of people think that would make the mac [TS]

  a stronger competitor to even the pro [TS]

  iPads especially now that Max is very [TS]

  small you could have a macbook one [TS]

  second generation macbook one with [TS]

  better battery life a faster cpu and a [TS]

  cellular connection that would surely [TS]

  give a an ipad pro or run for its money [TS]

  as that single lightweight machine that [TS]

  you can take everywhere and work from [TS]

  anywhere with why is it the max after [TS]

  all this time don't have cellular and [TS]

  I've ever seem to recall the last time [TS]

  we talked about it we didn't really we [TS]

  had some vague ideas but at this point [TS]

  years later I think most are vague ideas [TS]

  like well they want to reserve that for [TS]

  the phone I think you should use your [TS]

  phone that was like now now what's the [TS]

  excuse so I think that the problem apple [TS]

  has with putting cellular modem in and [TS]

  in a macbook or macbook pros twofold one [TS]

  it's more things to take up space and [TS]

  actually come to think of battery life [TS]

  you know things have to get everything [TS]

  her [TS]

  so we seem to think any way into why [TS]

  would you not have an iphone with you [TS]

  have iphone you have a way to tether it [TS]

  to your Mac why would you ever need an [TS]

  onboard connection on your Mac now of [TS]

  course this argument falls completely on [TS]

  its face when you point out well there's [TS]

  iPads with cellular connections in fact [TS]

  KC you have an iPad with the cellular [TS]

  connection and I have an ipad with the [TS]

  cellular connections because i don't [TS]

  want to have to tether to my phone [TS]

  anytime I want to get online outside of [TS]

  the house [TS]

  not when i'm not near Wi-Fi so I i don't [TS]

  know that i would buy a mac that had a [TS]

  cellular connection but it certainly is [TS]

  appealing and it certainly would make me [TS]

  think twice about an ipad pro if I was [TS]

  trying to like decide between an ipad [TS]

  pro with cellular or say a macbook one [TS]

  with cellular and Marco how do you think [TS]

  about it i would love a macbook with [TS]

  cellular I would absolutely love it but [TS]

  as we discussed you know years ago my [TS]

  first cover this topic I think nothing [TS]

  can really change in the way that the [TS]

  the software environment on the mac is [TS]

  designed in most cases most of the apps [TS]

  designed the system services are [TS]

  designed to assume they're on Wi-Fi all [TS]

  the time and to assume they can use [TS]

  large amounts of bandwidth this is the [TS]

  system update or would you know that [TS]

  could download an update that's hundreds [TS]

  of mex itunes they can background [TS]

  download new episodes of TV shows that [TS]

  you buy stuff like that and grant a lot [TS]

  of these things are things that may be [TS]

  fading out of favor but they still [TS]

  happen you have all sorts of you know [TS]

  software updates happening all the time [TS]

  the background matically and not just [TS]

  from Apple could be you know adobe [TS]

  updater and everything too [TS]

  there's a there's so much stuff on the [TS]

  mac environment that assumes that can [TS]

  just did it assumes that if it has a [TS]

  connection it can download large chunks [TS]

  of data in the hundreds of Meg's range [TS]

  and and there there was changing the [TS]

  api's I think with mountain lion it was [TS]

  i think it was around mountain lion time [TS]

  when they when they moved to nsurl [TS]

  session where a unified the API between [TS]

  iOS and and mac and nsurl session has [TS]

  has a company's global flags on session [TS]

  for you can say you know on any [TS]

  connection i run in this session allow [TS]

  or don't allow cellular access so if the [TS]

  connection is cellular you could you [TS]

  know you as the ad maker kind of [TS]

  opt out of using it or opt into using it [TS]

  if you wanted to you could say like you [TS]

  know if something is important like if [TS]

  you like human twitter app and you're [TS]

  trying to fetch the timeline used you [TS]

  cited for that because that's probably [TS]

  the user wants but if you're checking a [TS]

  background update to see if there's any [TS]

  updates to your app if your Adobe then [TS]

  maybe wait for waiting to Wi-Fi for that [TS]

  so that system has been there for a few [TS]

  years but the reality is i don't think [TS]

  any lapse meaningfully are really using [TS]

  it especially since there's no reason to [TS]

  the videos it because there are no sir [TS]

  max so so unfortunately I just think the [TS]

  the software environment is is so [TS]

  wasteful of data by default that I think [TS]

  it would just result in way too much [TS]

  data usage and I think you know Apple [TS]

  probably noticed that too and also you [TS]

  know on iOS you have the app store and a [TS]

  preview to enforce that into monitor [TS]

  that and that's a preview does monitor [TS]

  for excessive bandwidth users they have [TS]

  certain certain measures like you can't [TS]

  use more than X megabytes index minutes [TS]

  unless the user streaming media or [TS]

  something like that you know there's [TS]

  there are certain limits that they at [TS]

  least used to monitor for they probably [TS]

  still do anyway all that is to say that [TS]

  you know it on the mac you don't really [TS]

  have the software environment conducive [TS]

  to sipping data carefully when you're on [TS]

  cellular you know it's funny you bring [TS]

  that up i agree with you but have you [TS]

  used trip mode [TS]

  have you heard about this I have it is [TS]

  that some kind of little fire off a [TS]

  little miniature what as sorta kinda I [TS]

  think that might have been Jason's smell [TS]

  that turned me onto this I forget [TS]

  exactly who it was but the tagline for [TS]

  this app is your mobile data Savior and [TS]

  it is not only for the mac it also works [TS]

  on windows and what it basically does is [TS]

  when it detects that you're tethered or [TS]

  on some other sort of low bandwidth [TS]

  connection it will flip into a different [TS]

  mode where it will prevent every app [TS]

  from getting to the internet except the [TS]

  ones you whitelist and it'll also keep [TS]

  track of how much data each of these [TS]

  apps is using and so I have this [TS]

  installed on my laptop because on the [TS]

  rare occasions that i do together [TS]

  I even though i have a crudload of data [TS]

  way more than I would ever use in a [TS]

  month I still want to be sure that i'm [TS]

  not doing something like I don't know if [TS]

  downloading an episode [TS]

  mad men right Marco mm I don't buy any [TS]

  of these excuses because we're so much [TS]

  farther down the road like in the [TS]

  beginning when you know cellular was [TS]

  just coming to iPads and Apple's first [TS]

  making iphone sure but as Mark pointed [TS]

  out they added this so the beginnings [TS]

  api's long time ago [TS]

  it's a problem for Apple to solve for [TS]

  sure but it can be solved like it's all [TS]

  it takes is some new software and you [TS]

  know like it [TS]

  the trip mode thing is a great example [TS]

  like they're not even the OS maker Apple [TS]

  could implement something like that or a [TS]

  new set of api's or make it oftener like [TS]

  this is there problem solved same thing [TS]

  with space in the case same thing with [TS]

  battery life like we have the technology [TS]

  we can rebuild it like this is the thing [TS]

  that we could actually do [TS]

  I'm and you say all but it's so hard [TS]

  it's gonna take a long time yeah but [TS]

  it's been a long time and so it's like [TS]

  have you have you been working on this [TS]

  for three years are you just like well [TS]

  it will always be impossible we should [TS]

  never even try it like because it's just [TS]

  every time it comes up we all say you [TS]

  know not that they all have to have [TS]

  cellular right but one model pick one [TS]

  model to be like the bring this mac [TS]

  everywhere with you and you will be able [TS]

  to get online everywhere and we know [TS]

  most people aren't gonna buy it because [TS]

  who wants to pay for just like people [TS]

  most people don't buy salad or iPads [TS]

  because who wants to pay for another [TS]

  cell connection or whatever added you [TS]

  right but you know surely it has enough [TS]

  utility that if the they were paying [TS]

  more attention to the mac line they [TS]

  would say we can we can sell this this [TS]

  is this is a value add feature people [TS]

  will pay more for it will make the [TS]

  product more attractive would they sell [TS]

  more cellular max percentage wise and I [TS]

  do sell your iPad's probably not we'll [TS]

  probably less than I bet the percentage [TS]

  of selling ipads is super low anyway but [TS]

  they keep making them because for the [TS]

  people who use them they love them [TS]

  imagine if you said you know what I pads [TS]

  are going to have cellular anymore just [TS]

  tell it to your phone [TS]

  people would be pissed because they're [TS]

  used to that feature and it took a lot [TS]

  to get you know the cell phone feature [TS]

  on iPads and i was working with all [TS]

  these different API I don't know I feel [TS]

  like after so many years any excuse you [TS]

  had about how difficult it might be it [TS]

  now changes into an excuse of like I [TS]

  guess you just didn't decide it was [TS]

  important because now enough time has [TS]

  passed that if you had decided it was [TS]

  important to be three years into the [TS]

  transition [TS]

  period and we'd be well on our way for [TS]

  us to it being a thing and when I did [TS]

  that new API thought all this is the [TS]

  beginning like a few more years and you [TS]

  know they'll have this rolled out but i [TS]

  guess they just don't think there's [TS]

  enough of a market for it to justify you [TS]

  know that all the time and expense of [TS]

  changing the API is everything like that [TS]

  and I just just seems like another [TS]

  missed opportunity on the mac or if the [TS]

  mac was selling much better and making [TS]

  them much more money or have more growth [TS]

  potential some combination of those they [TS]

  would this would be an obvious thing in [TS]

  the same way that larger iPads and a [TS]

  stylist Rodriguez and iPads but Apple [TS]

  didn't pull the trigger on that for many [TS]

  many years and the ipad apple certain [TS]

  things that has more growth potential [TS]

  than the magnet seem so anyway I'm said [TS]

  this don't know cellular max although i [TS]

  don't expect any at the upcoming apple [TS]

  event which we'll talk about a little [TS]

  later [TS]

  yeah and real-time followed from the [TS]

  chat room from the white box in the chat [TS]

  room and this person reminded me of the [TS]

  photos of the prototype macbook pro with [TS]

  an integrated 3g cellular modem this is [TS]

  for mac rumors and 2011 and it's a [TS]

  really kind of weird-looking it looks [TS]

  like a macbook pro but it has like an [TS]

  extendable intent on the side of the [TS]

  screen will put a link in the show notes [TS]

  you know I i mean i've been using [TS]

  tethering on laptops while traveling for [TS]

  10 years now literally like I was going [TS]

  through our pictures earlier government [TS]

  i'm doing i'm going to come by tomorrow [TS]

  to kind of give a quick little talk [TS]

  about like the history and I was going [TS]

  through pictures and literally 10 years [TS]

  ago I have a picture of me using a [TS]

  macbook with a cellular modem plugged [TS]

  into the scientifically little USB thing [TS]

  and and before that i was using [TS]

  bluetooth tethering with my old motorola [TS]

  flip phone and you know tethering is [TS]

  awesome on laptops like if you have a [TS]

  laptop you probably want this if you [TS]

  ever use it out and about if you ever [TS]

  use it while traveling or if you work in [TS]

  coffee shops or whatever you know that [TS]

  the dream of ubiquitous Wi-Fi never [TS]

  really came true and everyone thought [TS]

  those cities just be covered and Wi-Fi [TS]

  everywhere there is Wi-Fi and it turns [TS]

  out maybe like 20 maybe 25 places you go [TS]

  to Wi-Fi and it might suck and it might [TS]

  be insecure which is a big problem these [TS]

  days and you know it might be slow might [TS]

  be metered but the dream of this like [TS]

  free ubiquitous everywhere coverage and [TS]

  no security problems and always fast [TS]

  Wi-Fi just never came true [TS]

  there's so many reasons to tether and to [TS]

  use your own cellular connections and as [TS]

  time goes on those reasons just increase [TS]

  as we get more and more mobile laptop to [TS]

  keep getting smaller and even more [TS]

  compelling to bring with you if you're [TS]

  going somewhere you want to get [TS]

  something done on a laptop you know [TS]

  especially like you will you look at the [TS]

  macbook one or the upcoming scarlet [TS]

  macbook pros will talk about soon you [TS]

  know these things keep getting smaller [TS]

  and better and cellular connections keep [TS]

  getting faster and you know that we do [TS]

  have data caps these days but we also [TS]

  have now these pool data plans you can [TS]

  like add another device for twenty bucks [TS]

  a month like back 10 years ago i was [TS]

  paying 60 bucks a month for that cell [TS]

  modem and now you can get them for [TS]

  twenty bucks a month i just added to [TS]

  your existing plan or whatever so like [TS]

  it seems like this would be the time to [TS]

  do that if for some reason that time [TS]

  hasn't come yet might as well do it now [TS]

  right but it just doesn't seem like [TS]

  apple doesn't care and it seems like [TS]

  this is something they they obviously [TS]

  did prototype it [TS]

  they obviously decided not to do it and [TS]

  you know John I think you're right like [TS]

  if they if they wanted to do this on the [TS]

  mac they could the fact is you know the [TS]

  software environment isn't there for it [TS]

  now but yeah they've had 10 years to [TS]

  work on it and they pretty much haven't [TS]

  so that does make me sad and i will keep [TS]

  tethering and I and that I can't just [TS]

  feel like if your sexual weird hacks [TS]

  together because tethering doesn't [TS]

  actually work that well in in practice [TS]

  like it once you plug in its fine but [TS]

  like if you're if you're doing anything [TS]

  besides a USB connection it is always a [TS]

  little bit flaky plus not to mention [TS]

  that drains your phone battery that's [TS]

  like so many reasons not to tether or [TS]

  together over cable only which is clunky [TS]

  so it does make me sad that we probably [TS]

  won't see this for max because I think [TS]

  if they I think they can justify it for [TS]

  the ipad might as well do it for max to [TS]

  well all those prototypes that they made [TS]

  you know the 2011 pictures or whatever [TS]

  like what they learned from those first [TS]

  efforts is all the things we talked [TS]

  about like Oh use a lot of data is our [TS]

  environment not set up for this and and [TS]

  drains our battery morn or whatever and [TS]

  all that does is let you know how much [TS]

  is it what is it going to take to do [TS]

  this and then they they do the [TS]

  calculation this is what it's going to [TS]

  take this is the potential upside and I [TS]

  just keep saying no [TS]

  and you know and again it's like I said [TS]

  if the max old more there was more of an [TS]

  upside if they felt like there was more [TS]

  demand like a million combinations [TS]

  because you could say oh there's more [TS]

  demand they would do it but also if they [TS]

  sold 20 times many max because that [TS]

  would increase the number of cell [TS]

  assuming the demand is proportional [TS]

  right then that would [TS]

  did you know there's just so many [TS]

  factors that are working against them [TS]

  doing it but it the longer time goes on [TS]

  the more kind of stands out to me as a [TS]

  weirdness because eventually you would [TS]

  hope that the battery costs and the size [TS]

  cost of whatever of doing cellular would [TS]

  be there decreasing as a proportion of [TS]

  the overall available [TS]

  you know I mean I guess you can't do [TS]

  that degrees transmitted across that [TS]

  much got to reach the tower and [TS]

  everything but all the other associated [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  how big is the chip you have to put in [TS]

  there how much power is that ship take [TS]

  how much room does it take how much does [TS]

  it cost like all those other factors [TS]

  time should be on your side and [TS]

  eventually it should be like this i mean [TS]

  like when they added the FM radio with [TS]

  the ipod you know what I put the hell [TS]

  throw it in there but you know this man [TS]

  is a software part of it that they're [TS]

  obviously behind them but you know the [TS]

  other thing that can help they're like [TS]

  mark was talking about what if the the [TS]

  cost of cellular connections and data [TS]

  continues to go down and five ten years [TS]

  from now [TS]

  unlimited data connections are standard [TS]

  and you don't pay a lot for them and it [TS]

  costs nothing to add and it's like it [TS]

  just seems like it's got to happen [TS]

  eventually or the mac just go away [TS]

  entirely I'm anyway i miss it and i [TS]

  would buy one [TS]

  I totally don't buy any argument that [TS]

  it's a hardware limitation or that it [TS]

  would be too costly in the hardware [TS]

  because the ipad is it is the biggest [TS]

  counterexample you if you if they can [TS]

  offer it in the ipad since 2010 430 [TS]

  dollar premium then certainly they can [TS]

  offer it in the higher-priced larger and [TS]

  bigger battery macbook pro line like [TS]

  there's no reason why if it's if it's in [TS]

  the iPad you can totally do it in the [TS]

  macbooks I mean stands to reason I don't [TS]

  know enough about the hardware but it [TS]

  certainly stands to reason my head that [TS]

  that's the case [TS]

  pc manufacturers also offer this like [TS]

  this is not it's not like it's not like [TS]

  no one's ever done before like you you [TS]

  can buy a thinkpad with a cell [TS]

  connection it for like also about 10 [TS]

  years think it's like it can be done [TS]

  they just have chosen not to do it and [TS]

  that I think is unfortunately i wish [TS]

  they offered that [TS]

  and I think they could charge to get a [TS]

  good premium for maybe two hundred bucks [TS]

  I easily pay 200 bucks more we'll see I [TS]

  I don't have high hopes for that [TS]

  honestly enough now moving on we got a [TS]

  really interesting reminder from 8-10 [TS]

  showman who wrote in to remind us that [TS]

  in February 2015 it was discovered that [TS]

  the new Photos app contains something [TS]

  called ux kit and we'll put a couple [TS]

  links in the show notes 12 Jason all 6 [TS]

  colors and one to offer to the showbread [TS]

  Simmons blog it appears that it's [TS]

  basically a real implementation of UI [TS]

  kit which is what's used to build apps [TS]

  on the iphone on top of App kit which is [TS]

  what's used to write apps on the mac and [TS]

  it's an interesting thing to think about [TS]

  well you know as as these platforms you [TS]

  know kind of crawl ever closer to one [TS]

  another do we think it maybe this will [TS]

  be a new thing that maybe for example at [TS]

  WTC this year maybe apple released ux [TS]

  kit and make it easier for people like [TS]

  Marco who don't really write mac apps to [TS]

  write an app on the mac by using API [TS]

  that's familiar to him I think we talked [TS]

  about this at the time i think that that [TS]

  time brent supposed also commands like [TS]

  the the consensus then I still think [TS]

  it's the same now which is that when we [TS]

  all saw photos and these other apps that [TS]

  looks so much like their iOS [TS]

  counterparts it stands to reason at all [TS]

  but a lot of people would say oh all [TS]

  they did was pour the iOS applications [TS]

  to the mac and sort of magnified them a [TS]

  little bit and so many things number [TS]

  similar and UX kid is kind of like well [TS]

  we know they had a Photos app on iOS and [TS]

  we know this one [TS]

  visually and structurally is very [TS]

  similar to that and so it stands to [TS]

  reason that if they wanted to make the [TS]

  development of the iphoto replacement [TS]

  faster they could say is there some way [TS]

  that we can reuse if not the code [TS]

  directly then at the very least some of [TS]

  the structure of the application and [TS]

  some of the knowledge or whatever like [TS]

  is there a way that we can take an iOS [TS]

  application and you know even if you're [TS]

  just using the sort of big box diagram [TS]

  how the pieces fit together and what the [TS]

  class names aren't everything I can we [TS]

  do that well you could have this ux good [TS]

  thing which is kind of like a UI kit [TS]

  like wrapper on top of App get so [TS]

  that the mac looks a little bit more [TS]

  like iOS from the perspective of this [TS]

  code you're writing but you would only [TS]

  do it if you are coming from that [TS]

  direction and Brent Simmons uh post is [TS]

  also the skeptical about the idea that [TS]

  this would ever be a thing that they [TS]

  would throw out to developers it's hard [TS]

  to tell because very often Apple does [TS]

  dog food its own [TS]

  ap is first in its own applications in [TS]

  like a year later at wwc like oh here [TS]

  you go and they don't mention that going [TS]

  by the way we've been using this for a [TS]

  year two years in our own applications [TS]

  to sort of work out the kinks but [TS]

  they've done so many other technology [TS]

  but then again there are other things [TS]

  that they use their applications they [TS]

  never offer up like the pro kit [TS]

  framework which they use for aperture [TS]

  back in the day and think final cut pro [TS]

  would like that the weird small dark [TS]

  colored widgets and like those things [TS]

  were all there was a pro kit framework [TS]

  they would if you have those apps [TS]

  installed would occasionally get updates [TS]

  we are very lucky they didn't offer that [TS]

  for anybody else to use well I mean it [TS]

  wasn't like it was the last thing the [TS]

  world needs more pro-kit apps they they [TS]

  didn't just build one happen like oh we [TS]

  had this weird code base into this thing [TS]

  they build multiple apps on it but it [TS]

  never graduated to level of which i [TS]

  assume that was also you know are either [TS]

  wrapper on top of App kit or its own [TS]

  weird thing but it never came out into [TS]

  public so I i still think there is room [TS]

  as it's marketed by the last time for [TS]

  Apple to introduce something that makes [TS]

  it easier for people with uikit either [TS]

  code or expertise or both to make mac [TS]

  apps but I don't know if you excavated [TS]

  kid is it maybe you execute is one [TS]

  attempt at what that might be like and [TS]

  remember the guys icon factory did that [TS]

  chameleon framework which was another [TS]

  sort of thing where yeah it's a real [TS]

  implementation of the UI kpi on top of [TS]

  the mac to help them because they had [TS]

  uikit applications that they wanted to [TS]

  bring to the mac all those things are [TS]

  like that they're kind of technical [TS]

  marvels that they work at all but when [TS]

  you start to suggest the idea that this [TS]

  would be like the one recommended way to [TS]

  make mac apps like Apple would say hey [TS]

  you should use this to make mac apps [TS]

  like I don't think I want to muddy the [TS]

  water thing I want to have a clearer [TS]

  answer and especially with Swift in the [TS]

  mix now i'm not entirely sure the Apple [TS]

  is ready to to come out with something [TS]

  that will help iOS developers a right [TS]

  Mac apps better whether they think it's [TS]

  even again same thing with like [TS]

  investment like yeah they could do it [TS]

  they could do lots of different things [TS]

  here but is it worth the investment they [TS]

  would take a lot of the developers and [TS]

  it would be difficult to do and what [TS]

  would our payoff be so obviously for [TS]

  their own internal applications they [TS]

  decided it was worth it and I'm and so [TS]

  they got us kid and they'll probably use [TS]

  it and if it's not already using [TS]

  multiple places that might be used in [TS]

  other places going forward as a way to [TS]

  make it cheaper for Apple to bring [TS]

  quote-unquote new applications to the [TS]

  mac you're helping them take the you [TS]

  know expertise and maybe some of the [TS]

  code from iOS and bring it over to Matt [TS]

  Capps but i'm not sure they're ready to [TS]

  offer that to the public [TS]

  you know as as you were bringing up [TS]

  chameleon i was about to bring it up [TS]

  myself and so I went and dug up the [TS]

  github page for last commit was May 16 [TS]

  2014 when it comes to this kind of in a [TS]

  major platform development framework I [TS]

  mean this is like this is long terms of [TS]

  this is these are things that last 10 20 [TS]

  years [TS]

  Apple's a very patient company when it [TS]

  comes to things like this so i am with [TS]

  lots of examples very patient honestly [TS]

  but in this kind of scenario like that [TS]

  the transition to Swift I think it's [TS]

  very very important here and also with [TS]

  figure like where's Mac os10 going as we [TS]

  discussed last week you know if they are [TS]

  planning on some like major [TS]

  next-generation Mac operating system [TS]

  that's going to be a major departure [TS]

  from OS 10 as we know it today they'll [TS]

  just wait till they do that be like [TS]

  they're not going to make a new OS 10 [TS]

  framework now they'll just wait until [TS]

  that comes and do it on that same thing [TS]

  like if they're gonna do something major [TS]

  with reconsidering abdur uikit with [TS]

  Swift and and with with more and more [TS]

  swifty model if they're going to be [TS]

  doing that in time in the next 5-10 [TS]

  years they'll wait for that you know [TS]

  they're not gonna do something in the [TS]

  meantime that is like I can't imagine [TS]

  that investing tons of time and effort [TS]

  into a brand-new objective-c and Swift [TS]

  UI framework for the mac today like that [TS]

  I just don't see that at all if if they [TS]

  have to do something more elegant but [TS]

  there if they wanted more elegant but [TS]

  they have to wait five more years to do [TS]

  it they'll just wait let's talk about [TS]

  something that's awesome and celebrate a [TS]

  little bit all right speaking of the mac [TS]

  if you are a Mac Developer and you want [TS]

  to sell outside the mac app store our [TS]

  first sponsor today [TS]

  is def mate definitely let you sell mac [TS]

  apps outside of the mac app store and [TS]

  integrates a whole bunch of services so [TS]

  that you don't so it kind of gives you a [TS]

  lot of the benefits of selling the mac [TS]

  app store is a Mac Developer but without [TS]

  having to actually be in the mac app [TS]

  store so you and I was honestly i was [TS]

  looking at making a little backup not [TS]

  overcast but maybe making a little mac [TS]

  app a little utility thing [TS]

  sorry Casey was looking at it and I [TS]

  honestly I don't want to have to deal [TS]

  with payment processing and I don't have [TS]

  to deal with like building in an auto [TS]

  updater and everything I just want to [TS]

  deal with that stuff [TS]

  there's a reason why the app store is [TS]

  compelling when it works well which [TS]

  might be never [TS]

  but when it looked like the the promise [TS]

  of it is actually you know it it should [TS]

  work and in in theory it does work [TS]

  unfortunately in reality the mac app [TS]

  store doesn't work unfortunately for me [TS]

  to make the decision for whatever its [TS]

  app isn't gonna make because it can't be [TS]

  sandbox so i can put in the mac app [TS]

  store so if i want to release it i have [TS]

  to release outside of mac app store and [TS]

  look at definite honestly because dev [TS]

  mate so it's made by a company called [TS]

  Mac Polly do all they do all sorts of [TS]

  stuff for the mac they've made a [TS]

  powerful tool set that has allowed all [TS]

  of us Mac developers is now to overcome [TS]

  appstore limitations so they can sell [TS]

  you they can sell your software outside [TS]

  of the mac app store that you can [TS]

  deliver updates easily to it with their [TS]

  platform you can protect your ass with [TS]

  license management you can make trial [TS]

  versions you can sell bundles you can [TS]

  even run beta test with automatic crash [TS]

  reporting all these luxuries that you [TS]

  get if you're totally in the appstore [TS]

  ecosystem and you can get in-depth [TS]

  analytics and marketing metrics which is [TS]

  even usually better than what you can [TS]

  get in the app store so def made his [TS]

  class at all the tools and services they [TS]

  use into one pack and they've created [TS]

  this amazing platform for mac developers [TS]

  so you don't have to do any kind of [TS]

  crazy license encoding to make your own [TS]

  like weird serial number scheme or [TS]

  anything like that you can use their [TS]

  tools manage free trials and too many [TS]

  different diverse license types they [TS]

  offer hosting the offer the CDN version [TS]

  management update delivery and an [TS]

  e-commerce solution for in-app purchase [TS]

  all these things all available you can [TS]

  get customer feedback you can view a [TS]

  breakdown if you're paid and trial [TS]

  customers with built-in trial support [TS]

  all this amazing stuff all at devon [TS]

  eight so all you have to do is worry [TS]

  about coding the app itself [TS]

  you leave the rest to detonate so Mac [TS]

  developers check out def made today [TS]

  honestly I intended by the time I check [TS]

  it out if i decide to release happens [TS]

  gonna be the first look honestly [TS]

  anyway thanks for thanks for answering [TS]

  all right you're gonna tell us what the [TS]

  APIs I well sure it doesn't matter it's [TS]

  not it's really nothing it's like if you [TS]

  remember a few months ago I posted a [TS]

  little like launch d applescript thing [TS]

  to automatically quit Twitter every 10 [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  it was an active and so if you make a [TS]

  native app you can do that a lot better [TS]

  you can do things like you know instead [TS]

  of just every 10 minutes check if it's [TS]

  active and if not quit you can monitor [TS]

  the active window in real-time and so [TS]

  you can quit like ten minutes after I [TS]

  last used it and you can do and what you [TS]

  can do things like only quit if it's [TS]

  hidden and stuff like that you can you [TS]

  can do like a more advanced version of [TS]

  this more easily so I have a little [TS]

  prototype of that running and right now [TS]

  it's literally like this giant black [TS]

  square in my menu bar so that it was [TS]

  gonna if I want to actually you know [TS]

  make it releasable there's gonna be some [TS]

  work involved but it does work and it's [TS]

  very it's really nice actually it's [TS]

  really nice that i found that this has [TS]

  dramatically reduced my Twitter usage [TS]

  and as measured by rescue time and so [TS]

  I'm actually very happy with the [TS]

  disapprobation it has turned Twitter [TS]

  into something that is always open on my [TS]

  mac like male you know like it's his [TS]

  turn from its always open to something [TS]

  that is inherently incredibly unreliable [TS]

  it just it seems like to me like a [TS]

  crashes every 10 minutes [TS]

  she's really happy that it actually [TS]

  created your own your own chaos monkey [TS]

  on your Mac yes but only targets one or [TS]

  two perhaps it's great that it's great [TS]

  because like I it turns it into [TS]

  something that I have to like actively [TS]

  go and and activate rather than some [TS]

  it's always there in the corner ready [TS]

  for me to be distracted by you know so [TS]

  it actually this approach actually does [TS]

  work really well for me I don't know if [TS]

  it'll work for anybody else I don't have [TS]

  anybody else cares but it was worth [TS]

  making the mac version just to make it [TS]

  better so it's no longer these weird [TS]

  launched a script that I can't turn off [TS]

  easily or you can adjust easily so yeah [TS]

  so far I'm liking it so i might release [TS]

  it [TS]

  I don't even know how to charge money i [TS]

  have no idea but I figured this could be [TS]

  this could be like a nice way for me to [TS]

  learn a little more about make [TS]

  mac software and and the market for mac [TS]

  software and just kind of dip my toe and [TS]

  get like a little tutorial on it [TS]

  excellent you pay five bucks for this [TS]

  thing I wouldn't buy it now [TS]

  ok I can slide obligation to quit that's [TS]

  from out from under you know thank ya [TS]

  I don't even like a sudden termination [TS]

  or whatever the api's they added that [TS]

  like when you have no open documents [TS]

  they kill the application don't even [TS]

  like that i haven't even noticed that [TS]

  ever hitting me honestly maybe I just [TS]

  don't use apps that do it if you text [TS]

  edit it happens like close all the [TS]

  windows and text and switch to some [TS]

  other app and then you look back at the [TS]

  dock and you're like I'll put that dot [TS]

  go underneath text output is gonna get [TS]

  who would who would use the text anymore [TS]

  i find myself using still occasionally [TS]

  it has the eyes the user for as my poor [TS]

  man's outliner like if you do option tab [TS]

  you know that whole thing [TS]

  don't you have like oatmeal it like a [TS]

  better talent baby and you like a better [TS]

  texture person [TS]

  yeah but that's not for outlining like [TS]

  outline and we like having you having [TS]

  invented levels and have being able to [TS]

  just keep typing and have it soft [TS]

  wrapped the indented lovely you know [TS]

  like used to hit me happy but now i want [TS]

  our unit like you're right long [TS]

  paragraphs and they stay at the level of [TS]

  the like you're not hard wrapping it [TS]

  right you just typing and typing and [TS]

  typing and it is rapping in a paragraph [TS]

  that paragraph is indented just like the [TS]

  bullet point you put it on use the test [TS]

  paper i don't know that it's not that [TS]

  it's my it's a I think it's just gross [TS]

  doing the guy who makes the folding text [TS]

  i think because I think that's him now [TS]

  anyway that's I text that is what i use [TS]

  for my podcast notes when i'm on podcast [TS]

  other than this one like was just notes [TS]

  for me as opposed to all three of us [TS]

  sharing a document [TS]

  yeah and I don't know you double-click [TS]

  documents that owns that txt and i [TS]

  haven't gone and change the the bindings [TS]

  for all that stuff so it i find myself [TS]

  watching it and then if I want to keep [TS]

  it open i gotta remember to keep on [TS]

  document really like the holidays gonna [TS]

  supposed to care that it's open attacks [TS]

  a larger so fast i really don't care but [TS]

  I do notice it quitting itself pretty [TS]

  does the same thing which annoys me more [TS]

  about to do you preview Marduk the [TS]

  images and stuff apparently literally [TS]

  task paper 3 was released today it could [TS]

  definitely have another i've been [TS]

  testing it for awhile i really like it i [TS]

  studied it was released [TS]

  yeah I test paper a lot i'll put a link [TS]

  in the show notes sometimes right so uh [TS]

  speaking of releasing things [TS]

  overcast too [TS]

  and five tell us all the things about a [TS]

  marker about Jesus I really have to [TS]

  yes I i did a 2.5 update the list of [TS]

  features of which was Ted was typing [TS]

  test paper the whole time as have been [TS]

  using my to-do list for all of my [TS]

  absence [TS]

  instapaper one point maybe or at least [TS]

  early versions of instapaper anyway so [TS]

  yeah so 2.5 is is basically what it [TS]

  sounds like it's like a half major [TS]

  release if that makes sense like there [TS]

  there it's not like it still looks about [TS]

  the same for the most part there's not a [TS]

  whole lot of new headlining features but [TS]

  as a whole that there are few and as a [TS]

  whole bunch of big improvements of [TS]

  everywhere basically like so it's kinda [TS]

  originally was calling a 2.1 look at [TS]

  adding more stuff like you know what [TS]

  this feels like 2.5 so i'll call 2.5 and [TS]

  it's about six months from to point out [TS]

  that kind of made sense with a roughly [TS]

  annual release cycle for the big stuff [TS]

  so the the big things are if you are a [TS]

  patron so if you pay me a dollar-a-month [TS]

  basically then you get a new dark theme [TS]

  and you get the ability to have file [TS]

  uploads so you can you can upload [TS]

  something that's not a real podcast or [TS]

  not it's not a public podcast like an [TS]

  audiobook or if you're a producer [TS]

  podcast like a draft of some of one [TS]

  episode you're working on you can upload [TS]

  that into overcast and play it in your [TS]

  players and it is it doesn't become [TS]

  public for everybody play just it just [TS]

  plays for you and this is actually a [TS]

  feature I built this in version one [TS]

  point I had this right at the beginning [TS]

  and it was only enabled for my account [TS]

  for all this time and i would use it to [TS]

  play download episodes of howard stern I [TS]

  mean personally recorded episodes of [TS]

  howard stern home Howard Stern [TS]

  recordings and so I use it all the time [TS]

  but I didn't want to launch it because I [TS]

  believe that these files are hosted on [TS]

  s3 and so I'm like I don't you know I [TS]

  don't really want to sign up for [TS]

  somebody paying me five bucks once and [TS]

  then me hosting like two gigs of s3 [TS]

  files for them for the next three years [TS]

  that would be hard to sustain [TS]

  economically and so I i figure you know [TS]

  let me let me wait until I have some [TS]

  kind of recurring revenue in place or if [TS]

  it appears as though the app is doing so [TS]

  incredibly well with the and purchase [TS]

  upfront that I can make that i can live [TS]

  forever body that maybe i'll try it [TS]

  later but anyway whatever i push it off [TS]

  till later [TS]

  that was in mid-2014 hey and I kind of [TS]

  just forgot about me people have been [TS]

  requesting this feature for a while but [TS]

  there were always features that were [TS]

  requested more that I had to do you know [TS]

  that were more important to do things [TS]

  like streaming stuff like that so there [TS]

  was always kind of stuff ahead of it in [TS]

  the to-do list and i finally got around [TS]

  to doing it and it's really just named [TS]

  it was just like polishing up the [TS]

  feature i already had like making it [TS]

  look a little bit nicer styling the [TS]

  website slightly around around the [TS]

  uploader instead of just be like an [TS]

  unformatted progress bar and everything [TS]

  and the technical side of its really [TS]

  pretty straightforward I i actually if [TS]

  you look at this if you view source on [TS]

  the upload page i actually am uploading [TS]

  the files directly to s3 and the app [TS]

  download it directly from s3 so the [TS]

  files never pass through overcast [TS]

  servers which you helped me save on [TS]

  costs and also helps them arrive faster [TS]

  you don't have to wait for a double [TS]

  upload like for my server and uploaded [TS]

  to a story you got away from that I'm so [TS]

  it's both a nice cost savings for me and [TS]

  also speed speed improvement for you we [TS]

  are technical cool thing that most [TS]

  people don't even know that you can [TS]

  generate a form to securely upload a [TS]

  file to a story but you can then the [TS]

  dark mode which is also for patrons only [TS]

  I got a little bit of pushback on this [TS]

  actually and i'd say probably heard [TS]

  about a hundred people there's no it's a [TS]

  little country i'm curious what you guys [TS]

  think it's a little controversial [TS]

  because so when I had version 11.10 in [TS]

  the brand from from mid-2014 mid-2015 [TS]

  version was a free app with a [TS]

  five-dollar in-app purchase to quote [TS]

  unlock everything and what I meant was [TS]

  unlike all the features i have right now [TS]

  like just unlock everything and then [TS]

  into point last october i switch to a a [TS]

  full payment model where everything was [TS]

  free and you could pay if you wanted to [TS]

  look for nothing like you just you get [TS]

  nothing for and i said like i might add [TS]

  features in the future patrons that I [TS]

  can't have everybody for cost reasons [TS]

  whatever and I was actually thinking [TS]

  about the upload feature when I wrote [TS]

  that [TS]

  so now when I wanted to add this new [TS]

  file upload and dark mode there i [TS]

  decided to make but now file uploads are [TS]

  easy to make paper only because you can [TS]

  say well that's that costs money for [TS]

  everyone who uses it but there is a [TS]

  debate here among people who bother me [TS]

  on Twitter people through flick they're [TS]

  literally argument [TS]

  each other like I'm not even involved in [TS]

  the argument that people like my people [TS]

  are arguing in my mentions with each [TS]

  other about whether this should be a [TS]

  problem or not whether people who bought [TS]

  it [TS]

  who bought the one point X unlock [TS]

  everything thing in 2014 whether they [TS]

  should have the dark mode as well and [TS]

  what do you guys think about that but i [TS]

  figured the reason why i thought it [TS]

  would be okay this way [TS]

  the reason i made everything free with [TS]

  to point out and and decided to go to [TS]

  page for nothing for a while was i I was [TS]

  tired of the basic version of the app [TS]

  having like intrusive limitations that [TS]

  would make it sucks like a limit on like [TS]

  it would only show top five entries in a [TS]

  playlist and you couldn't adjust the [TS]

  speed or you can only do it for a few [TS]

  minutes at a time and everything's there [TS]

  there were these like these limitations [TS]

  in the app that were actively trying to [TS]

  make the appt worse so that you would [TS]

  hit them and then you'd be encouraged to [TS]

  pay the money to unlock everything and [TS]

  so I decided that it would make most [TS]

  sense for if I was gonna do anything [TS]

  special for patrons and first of all I [TS]

  should preface this with pastries wasn't [TS]

  going that well honestly like it was [TS]

  going well enough to sustain the basic [TS]

  cost of the app but it wasn't doing well [TS]

  enough for me to really want to justify [TS]

  putting tons of time into it it was [TS]

  doing ok but needed I needed to do [TS]

  better than what the hell was doing [TS]

  otherwise I'm gonna have to move back to [TS]

  some other model like you know whether [TS]

  it's paid upfront or another and [TS]

  purchase whatever so patrons as it was [TS]

  going was not going well enough so i had [TS]

  to change something so i decided let me [TS]

  let me give people some motivation to [TS]

  pay but I didn't want to make the appt [TS]

  sock for everyone else so i decided to [TS]

  dark mode was I decide was interesting [TS]

  to make patron only because it's [TS]

  something that doesn't really if you [TS]

  don't have it it doesn't affect you at [TS]

  all really like it doesn't the the [TS]

  absence of this feature does not make [TS]

  the appt worse for everyone who doesn't [TS]

  have it [TS]

  it's not like some kind of limit that [TS]

  you hit where it makes it worse so I [TS]

  figured it would be a nice perk to give [TS]

  patrons something that like it kind of [TS]

  feels like a / kind of feels like a [TS]

  special extra you know because it isn't [TS]

  really like a substantial functional [TS]

  feature in the app it's just like a [TS]

  theme it's it's how it looks and so you [TS]

  make a cool dark mode and look [TS]

  school and everyone likes dark mode and [TS]

  Alec so it it looks cool i think it [TS]

  looks nice and it's something new and [TS]

  different kind of exclusive because its [TS]

  patrons only [TS]

  so I've I thought that was all fine but [TS]

  i have now heard from yet probably a [TS]

  hundred people who think differently [TS]

  when he does think it seems like well so [TS]

  for the patron thing if someone pays and [TS]

  they get the dark theme [TS]

  what does does a Darkling go away if [TS]

  they stop paying yes so that I think [TS]

  that's the the place where it doesn't [TS]

  seem like it fits because it seems more [TS]

  like an app purchase basically like if [TS]

  you did it is in app purchase it would [TS]

  be like if you don't want dark theme [TS]

  before 2.5 came out you didn't have dark [TS]

  them anyway you don't even know dark [TS]

  theme existed you were fine using [TS]

  overcast before now all the sudden 2.5 [TS]

  comes out and you see the shiny dark [TS]

  theme that you want but you don't want [TS]

  to pay for it because you just want to [TS]

  get a free [TS]

  well you know if you do this thing that [TS]

  you like how about you give me some [TS]

  money and I'll give you the dark theme [TS]

  but i think that most people's minds [TS]

  darkened doesn't seem like a thing that [TS]

  you should have to keep paying for they [TS]

  don't know for for whatever reason it [TS]

  seems like like like buying a [TS]

  downloadable content in the game you [TS]

  know you by to get the fancy half of [TS]

  your character you get the fancy hat you [TS]

  don't have to keep paying every year to [TS]

  keep your fancy hat i think it feels [TS]

  more like a one-time in-app purchase and [TS]

  yeah i think it's a perfect kind of [TS]

  in-app purchase of the purpose kind of [TS]

  monetary frill because like i said the [TS]

  people people may be upset about about [TS]

  you know you're using 1.1 2.1 didn't [TS]

  have any dark theme right and you were [TS]

  before 2.5 that you were fine with it [TS]

  but then suddenly when you know there's [TS]

  a dark theme and now you have to pay [TS]

  money to get it all I want to get it [TS]

  going to get it for free [TS]

  muscle if you don't think it's worth the [TS]

  money don't pay for it right and if you [TS]

  if you suddenly don't want to use the [TS]

  application like well then just go back [TS]

  in time and pretend to one part was [TS]

  never released and then use whatever [TS]

  calculus you're using before to make you [TS]

  pay for [TS]

  we're just holding on waiting for a [TS]

  Darkling anyway I things I don't it look [TS]

  like it seems like a recurring thing [TS]

  trying to bundle it all under the [TS]

  Patriot thing when you only really got [TS]

  two things at this point for the the [TS]

  patrons you've got the the uploads which [TS]

  would like that makes total sense like [TS]

  you are you're costing money therefore [TS]

  you must give money on a regular basis [TS]

  because you're storing files on the [TS]

  internet right well it is it doesn't [TS]

  make total sense to everybody [TS]

  an angry at least half of them are [TS]

  demanding that too but that's that's [TS]

  that would be easy for me to say I can't [TS]

  do that for everybody sorry i'm not [TS]

  going to do that you know that makes [TS]

  sense right now that's a you know like [TS]

  it doesn't this is a money-losing [TS]

  proposition areas [TS]

  shit i will pay for storage and amazon [TS]

  s3 for you and you give me nothing that [TS]

  doesn't you know anyway I think that [TS]

  makes more sense and if you had like 17 [TS]

  features the patrons got and one of them [TS]

  happens to be the model dark theme i [TS]

  think that would make sense to visit the [TS]

  patron is like the different the [TS]

  different class of people like oh I pay [TS]

  a little bit extra zap that you can get [TS]

  a use for free and does everything you [TS]

  want to do but i paid a little bit extra [TS]

  for this one feature that has an ongoing [TS]

  recurring costs because i'm storing it's [TS]

  on the internet and other features just [TS]

  a little park and in the end it doesn't [TS]

  really matter like all these logical [TS]

  arguments what should or shouldn't be [TS]

  all that matters is do people find there [TS]

  are people willing to pay for I mean [TS]

  you'll find that with the sales number [TS]

  if have you made an offering that is [TS]

  attractive enough for people to part [TS]

  ways with their money on a regular basis [TS]

  to get them you'll find out but if if we [TS]

  had to try to like break it down i think [TS]

  that's the difference between the two [TS]

  things that you've offered that uh that [TS]

  one just doesn't seem like a recurring [TS]

  feature a lot of people but look for [TS]

  other people they're gonna pay for the [TS]

  file uploads anyway and for them [TS]

  darkness just like a park oh and great i [TS]

  get dark mode to they don't feel like [TS]

  they're paying X amount every month or [TS]

  year for dark mode they feel like [TS]

  they're paying for file uploads and [TS]

  getting dark matter is a park so i think [TS]

  that the sales numbers will bear it out [TS]

  and if people are having arguments about [TS]

  it's clear there are disagreements about [TS]

  what is worth spending this money on or [TS]

  not so i don't i think it's perfectly [TS]

  valid experiment and i fully expect in [TS]

  six months or a year from now are you [TS]

  try more experiments because that's just [TS]

  the way it goes [TS]

  Casey what do you think i think that i [TS]

  didn't blink an eye over dark mode or [TS]

  file uploads being a patron only [TS]

  exclusive I think having her John's [TS]

  thoughts on it [TS]

  I tend to agree with him that dark mode [TS]

  seems like maybe it should have been in [TS]

  app purchase a separate from the [TS]

  patronage but then that gets into a [TS]

  whole new weekly discussion about well [TS]

  do you really want to have patronage and [TS]

  in-app purchases concurrently and answer [TS]

  is no I really don't [TS]

  like there's so many reasons why don't [TS]

  want to do that then I would say either [TS]

  you give dark mode out of the goodness [TS]

  of your heart and then potentially have [TS]

  some financial implications thereof [TS]

  which I don't think it's a terribly good [TS]

  option or you deal with people being [TS]

  grumpy i do understand what John saying [TS]

  i'm mostly agree with him that you know [TS]

  it feels like the sort of thing that you [TS]

  should just pay for once and that's that [TS]

  but on the other side of the coin I mean [TS]

  you need to be able to eat and I would [TS]

  say that most of the people or i would [TS]

  think that most of the people that [TS]

  download this app have enough of an [TS]

  understanding of kind of how the app [TS]

  store economy works not necessarily to [TS]

  the level of those who was in the show [TS]

  but just a general understanding that [TS]

  hey the people who wrote this app or [TS]

  person that wrote this app needs to be [TS]

  able to eat and so I need to be able to [TS]

  pay that person and so I don't I don't [TS]

  find it troubling for either to be in [TS]

  the patrons model at all really [TS]

  but it's easy for me to say because you [TS]

  know I'm obviously gonna support you [TS]

  regardless because you're a close friend [TS]

  of mine I I definitely don't see a [TS]

  problem with the file uploads being and [TS]

  patronage at all at all at all because [TS]

  as John is set as the edges you've said [TS]

  you need to be able to recoup that money [TS]

  somehow the way look at the patrons [TS]

  model really is that i have i have i'm [TS]

  trying to find a way to be both both the [TS]

  cheapest and most expensive Pakistan the [TS]

  store so I'm trying to find a way where [TS]

  this could be free for almost everybody [TS]

  you know and for you know free up front [TS]

  if anybody wants to try they can try for [TS]

  free because as I said you know on [TS]

  numerous other occasions [TS]

  one of my goals of this app is to get a [TS]

  lot of users to kind of help me defend [TS]

  the openness of podcasting with [TS]

  diversity of clients so it is very [TS]

  important for me to the app state free [TS]

  upfront and so the question is like how [TS]

  do I where do I get the money you know [TS]

  and i can do like add somehow but i [TS]

  don't really want to I thought it was [TS]

  like wait could do it tastefully I've [TS]

  still would rather not do that if I [TS]

  don't have to [TS]

  so you know we'll see what happens there [TS]

  hopefully I won't need to do that but i [TS]

  might to me I I see this really as [TS]

  update pricing or upgrade pricing like [TS]

  kind of be [TS]

  din so like if I if I didn't do this i [TS]

  would have to do some kind of upgrade [TS]

  pricing model so i would have to then [TS]

  you know hold back features for longer [TS]

  and make these bigger like I probably [TS]

  wouldn't release 2.5 right now probably [TS]

  would have done [TS]

  wait a few more months and a big [TS]

  three-point update in you know in the [TS]

  summer or something and then charged a [TS]

  whole separate purchase like how to be [TS]

  are you know what you're one point X [TS]

  your-your-your 1x into point X purchases [TS]

  don't count for anything now [TS]

  now you know brand new purchase for the [TS]

  three-point Oh premium features and [TS]

  that's that's also sucks for in a lot of [TS]

  different ways like and I think that [TS]

  would anger people more so the question [TS]

  is I i want to get somehow I want to get [TS]

  some kind of recurring revenue and I [TS]

  think the software industry had kind of [TS]

  bear that out now of seeing like you [TS]

  know before and after be sustainable it [TS]

  needs something like that you know it [TS]

  doesn't necessarily need to be done in [TS]

  one particular way but somehow you need [TS]

  recurring revenue to come in [TS]

  you know like with instapaper I didn't [TS]

  have that for a long time instapaper it [TS]

  was just five bucks up front and I was [TS]

  it and that worked for a long time [TS]

  because the growth was so good with [TS]

  overcast the girl isn't that good it's [TS]

  it grows but it's not growing at the [TS]

  kind of rate that instapaper was just [TS]

  because you know it's paper had a really [TS]

  great growth curve it was really early [TS]

  in the app store it had you know it was [TS]

  you know the right place at the right [TS]

  time basically and I think that was a [TS]

  wider audience where is now with [TS]

  overcast like the built-in podcast app [TS]

  is so popular and even though it's [TS]

  fairly mediocre it's it's popular enough [TS]

  that you know it's hard for people to [TS]

  make a dent in that so I need some way [TS]

  to I can't rely on just growth for [TS]

  revenue purposes i have to rely on some [TS]

  kind of recurring revenue so in the app [TS]

  store my options are cell like you know [TS]

  coins and bs like something but you know [TS]

  some kind of like consumable literally [TS]

  beyond the call of some kind of [TS]

  consumable and purchase i don't think [TS]

  that necessarily fit in a podcast client [TS]

  i don't see I don't see how that fits in [TS]

  a way that doesn't just piss people off [TS]

  so that that's option number one not a [TS]

  very good option option number two would [TS]

  be what I mentioned kind of like the [TS]

  upgrade pricing kind of straightforward [TS]

  way to do it which is either make a [TS]

  whole separate app [TS]

  every year and had to be paid upfront [TS]

  maybe or have it be you know free with a [TS]

  purchase to unlock about at one point [TS]

  out then I have a whole new app every [TS]

  year and that has so many problems like [TS]

  people getting really angry with a [TS]

  bought it right before you updated it [TS]

  and you have to like again you're kinda [TS]

  match your your major updates together [TS]

  and like you know hold back features for [TS]

  like six months waiting for the big [TS]

  update and everything and that sucks too [TS]

  or you or you do what I'm doing now [TS]

  which is like some kind of subscription [TS]

  some kind of recurring payment for [TS]

  something that's the way I'm doing it [TS]

  now as you know I started out you're [TS]

  paying for nothing now you're paying for [TS]

  almost nothing except you know these two [TS]

  for these two features are kind of [TS]

  paying for I think it's a pretty good [TS]

  happy medium where I'm basically [TS]

  charging you twelve dollars a year if [TS]

  you want the full experience but most [TS]

  people want and that's fine so far my [TS]

  subscription counts are up by some big [TS]

  percentage i think like thirty percent [TS]

  in like two days [TS]

  I mean it's it they they had a big jump [TS]

  and we'll see what happens if they if [TS]

  they keep going up as more people get [TS]

  the update or try the update i'm not [TS]

  really promoting the update like when [TS]

  you launch it after the update it [TS]

  doesn't pop up box saying hey here's [TS]

  what's new [TS]

  just nothing happens like so you have to [TS]

  let go to the second screen to even [TS]

  notice necessarily because it's been [TS]

  updated so this could be like a slow [TS]

  growth over time but it does seem so far [TS]

  as though this this one change of like [TS]

  giving you something that you kind of [TS]

  want for 12 bucks a year [TS]

  it does feel like that one change will [TS]

  be enough to push a lot more people into [TS]

  subscribing and that will probably make [TS]

  the difference between being able to [TS]

  keep this model long-term or not because [TS]

  if I didn't do this as i said earlier if [TS]

  I didn't add something compelling for [TS]

  patrons and uploads aren't compelling [TS]

  enough because most people don't need [TS]

  that feature some people really like it [TS]

  but most people don't need it was dark [TS]

  mode that that could appeal to any user [TS]

  you know it doesn't necessarily not [TS]

  everybody cares that much but that it [TS]

  will appeal to lots of people [TS]

  so if I didn't make a change like that [TS]

  where something you get something that I [TS]

  thought that was really nice but that [TS]

  didn't make the appt superbad everyone [TS]

  didn't have it then I wouldn't be able [TS]

  to continue this model so hey will you [TS]

  know we'll see what happens [TS]

  John will be right i will probably [TS]

  changes in six months but you know what [TS]

  I'm hoping not to have to because if I [TS]

  can keep this if this ends up the ends [TS]

  up working and being like a great model [TS]

  for overcast long-term then I don't need [TS]

  to like save up features four major [TS]

  releases anymore i can release features [TS]

  whenever they're ready [TS]

  that is so much better for me it's [TS]

  better for users [TS]

  it's it is just so much better to do [TS]

  things that way and I don't have to deal [TS]

  with all this crazy like constantly [TS]

  changing purchase stuff to manage and [TS]

  it's easier for the users there's no [TS]

  issue of like if you if you buy the day [TS]

  before I have like a major new update [TS]

  then you feel like a jerk for father day [TS]

  before I there there's so many issues [TS]

  this avoids and barring the absence of [TS]

  some kind of new app store monetization [TS]

  method where you know if Apple would [TS]

  offer some kind of easier paid upgrade [TS]

  system or something like that might [TS]

  change her mind but barring anything [TS]

  like that which I don't foresee this is [TS]

  probably really great model as long as [TS]

  it works that's a big question but we'll [TS]

  see [TS]

  you're gonna have to come up with new [TS]

  hats so now like the Dark Matters your [TS]

  hat dark one is that you know that the [TS]

  games learned that the thing that you [TS]

  can make people pay for actually the [TS]

  things that are meaningless in the scope [TS]

  of the game but give your character [TS]

  funny hat or whatever you know like some [TS]

  some cosmetic item that is desirable all [TS]

  out of proportion to the actual value [TS]

  because the number of people who [TS]

  legitimately need dark mode because the [TS]

  white screen is to blinding and they [TS]

  like to use a mountain that car or [TS]

  whatever like this everyone's got an [TS]

  excuse why they have they need two dark [TS]

  motor they can turn their screen down or [TS]

  whatever right but bottom line is people [TS]

  want doctor because it looks nice [TS]

  those are the perfect kind of usually [TS]

  you know in-app purchase types things i [TS]

  would love to know how many people [TS]

  signed up for patronizing 2.5 because of [TS]

  one of the two new features which one [TS]

  was it like what they had to weigh them [TS]

  like was set like many people just [TS]

  signing up just because they want to [TS]

  fund the app and have it be developed a [TS]

  ball blood that sort of high-minded [TS]

  ideal but other people like oh there's [TS]

  there's two new features file uploads [TS]

  and dark mode which ones were they [TS]

  really wanted to get did they like them [TS]

  both equally or they going mostly for [TS]

  dark mode and I i would think most of [TS]

  them were going for dark not even though [TS]

  that is like the the less valuable [TS]

  practically speaking in terms of doesn't [TS]

  actually add any features just makes the [TS]

  app look different so that ends up [TS]

  working next year you'll need something [TS]

  else [TS]

  of similar value for the people who paid [TS]

  for dark mode right to maybe they don't [TS]

  want to keep paying because they're [TS]

  bored with dark mode what new hats you [TS]

  have to give them for your podcast [TS]

  application how about a podcast [TS]

  application construction kit like the [TS]

  calculator constructed ya wanna get to [TS]

  design your own application pick the [TS]

  Pontifical anyway I'm sure you come [TS]

  something what I'm hoping is though as [TS]

  you go through these features you're [TS]

  saying like before you had these other [TS]

  features that are more important than [TS]

  file uploads but eventually you did [TS]

  those and so you got to follow uploads [TS]

  when you have to how far down list is my [TS]

  pet feature where whenever I add [TS]

  something to overcast I wanted to be [TS]

  added to the one playlist I use all the [TS]

  time I hate and adding it to overcast [TS]

  and realizing i didn't really added [TS]

  overcast I headed to a place where I'm [TS]

  never ever going to see it because I [TS]

  spent all my time and it's one playlist [TS]

  and its 7,000 taps to pull things from [TS]

  not in the play this to be into the [TS]

  playlist when I like individual episodes [TS]

  like if someone tweets out this was a [TS]

  good podcast episode of a podcast that [TS]

  you probably don't want to subscribe to [TS]

  but just download this episode and [TS]

  before it was like oh well now I got to [TS]

  subscribe and find the episode and then [TS]

  added to my playlist but now with [TS]

  uploads i can just download the mp3 and [TS]

  uploaded but i still have to go into my [TS]

  clothes I would love it if everything [TS]

  had overcast always went into the [TS]

  playlist of my choice and I realized [TS]

  that super low priority feature but in [TS]

  theory [TS]

  eventually you'll get to it that that is [TS]

  exactly how overcast works for me [TS]

  because it's because my my like [TS]

  everything playlist is default inclusive [TS]

  yours is a whitelist based so right is [TS]

  that dude lesson we talked about this [TS]

  but yeah but that's what i want this is [TS]

  why I wanted to be whitelisted better [TS]

  things there are things on the outside [TS]

  their large volume things that I don't [TS]

  want cluttering up my it seems like it [TS]

  seems like a simple for anyway [TS]

  eventually you'll be scraping the bottom [TS]

  of the barrel the features and you get [TS]

  to mine eventually just it's just one [TS]

  help menu when adding is overcast where [TS]

  should they be added by default i don't [TS]

  want a million options like what [TS]

  priority represent to the bottom I don't [TS]

  care for the top whatever pick one [TS]

  no well anyway maybe somebody'll have to [TS]

  go ad supported but if I did I would [TS]

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  this is all they do to do spam and virus [TS]

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  if your individual like me then it's [TS]

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  but this gives the world-class spam and [TS]

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  goes away and there's lots of cool tools [TS]

  to help manage this they'll send you an [TS]

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  one quick question for you Marco I don't [TS]

  know very much at all that s 3 but all [TS]

  of the uploaded files are in a bucket [TS]

  that you control / own right or maybe [TS]

  but yes the right term but so have you [TS]

  looked into about how many files have [TS]

  been uploaded is that a good jillian is [TS]

  it just ten you know do you have any [TS]

  feeling for it I'm honestly I haven't [TS]

  looked since that day online community [TS]

  second introduce next topic I look I'll [TS]

  have can do this I can transmit count up [TS]

  for me while you think about that for a [TS]

  second and you can interrupt with some [TS]

  real-time follow-up hopefully a minute [TS]

  it is probably worthwhile for us to talk [TS]

  about what's going on Monday it is [TS]

  monday right at the big apple event that [TS]

  my dad and I think it's me yes [TS]

  mar 21st so yes that's monday Apple is [TS]

  going to loop in the press on march 21st [TS]

  and talk about some new things [TS]

  what do we think it's going to be I [TS]

  presume it'll be some sort of new [TS]

  Macintosh Hardware it may be a new [TS]

  smaller iPhone which I have [TS]

  extraordinarily conflicting thoughts [TS]

  about John what do you think I'm really [TS]

  been keeping up with the typical [TS]

  criminology of examining the the [TS]

  invitation and seeing what it means I [TS]

  mean I did see when it came out and I [TS]

  thought briefly about the looping you in [TS]

  as a couple stories about all that it's [TS]

  going to be showing new colors of [TS]

  Milanese loops and no no I mean the [TS]

  titles always means something sometimes [TS]

  it's something not exciting but that's [TS]

  it does say something about what they [TS]

  choose to emphasize and it would be [TS]

  really weird doing [TS]

  think to have this event where we assume [TS]

  there's gonna be at the very least new [TS]

  laptops that market will talk about what [TS]

  he's been doing his research just a [TS]

  spinner i'm not i'm not counting myself [TS]

  but i will be really weird to me if they [TS]

  had this event and introduce all the [TS]

  things that we think they're going to [TS]

  introduce or at least some of them or [TS]

  whatever but the lupus in thing ended up [TS]

  being about new Milanese loops new [TS]

  colors like i don't know i just it seems [TS]

  we're so I'm hoping that's not what it [TS]

  is but uh anyway I've been treating this [TS]

  event kind of like the force awakens [TS]

  where I'm not trying to read too many [TS]

  spoilers about it because the past [TS]

  couple of events I haven't really been [TS]

  bowled over by and I i want to be [TS]

  pleasantly surprised by something so you [TS]

  know it's just managing expectations [TS]

  like right well if you're if you feel [TS]

  like you're getting overhyped then just [TS]

  don't read as much hype and then [TS]

  whatever they announced you'll be more [TS]

  excited about going to spoil it for you [TS]

  I mean yet so the laptops i'm probably [TS]

  not going to be excited about anyway [TS]

  well as you can tell you that they're [TS]

  probably not going to release the mac [TS]

  pro with the gaming video card that you [TS]

  want the mountains really banks that [TS]

  yeah I kind of I kind of figured that [TS]

  one out [TS]

  doesn't have to be gaming video card but [TS]

  they release new mac pro period yeah I [TS]

  I'm assuming that's going to come it [TS]

  would be WC or later I haven't even been [TS]

  keeping up to know if enough to know if [TS]

  this is the room remember they're going [TS]

  to do the new ipad i assume that's going [TS]

  to be october still but like that then [TS]

  do regular-sized iPad with the styles [TS]

  and everything that I might actually buy [TS]

  but it didn't announce that because I've [TS]

  been out of the loop and I would be [TS]

  excited by it and i would probably buy [TS]

  one [TS]

  otherwise I guess what does look at the [TS]

  laptops from afar and we'll talk about [TS]

  whether we think they're good or bad [TS]

  laptops with a marker can tell us about [TS]

  those now [TS]

  well first of all the the rumors are [TS]

  pretty strong that this is the event [TS]

  where the 9.7 inch new iPad will be [TS]

  released audio you still spoil it for me [TS]

  I could have been pleasantly surprised [TS]

  yeah how do you not know that I've been [TS]

  trying to stay away from you know the [TS]

  the million sites that will tell me the [TS]

  list of things that are likely to appear [TS]

  okay well basically everybody is [TS]

  reporting the same rumors including ATP [TS]

  tipster reporting the same rumors that [TS]

  basically [TS]

  this is that event and we should [TS]

  probably expect that to happen like it [TS]

  almost certainly I I don't think [TS]

  anyone's even doubt any part of it [TS]

  anymore but basically that's going to [TS]

  happen in all likelihood and it is 9.7 [TS]

  inch iPad that's kind of like a mini [TS]

  ipad pro so it'll it'll have a smart [TS]

  connector it'll have those for speaker [TS]

  arrangement and it will be nice and fast [TS]

  and use some variant of the a 9 X and it [TS]

  supports the pencil but wondering how [TS]

  how they're going to find space for the [TS]

  big speaker cavities do this means I'll [TS]

  have for speakers that is the the rumor [TS]

  is that will have this a similar for [TS]

  speaker arrangement as the new as the [TS]

  ipad pro I think they could possibly do [TS]

  it i mean with the ipad their their main [TS]

  limitation is wait it's not necessarily [TS]

  size weight is the big one so like they [TS]

  could they presumably like I don't think [TS]

  every inch of that case needs to be full [TS]

  of battery you know because I let me [TS]

  look at the ipad pro yeah but you know [TS]

  if you look at that head pro it's not [TS]

  the case is so much bigger there's what [TS]

  I don't they just make it thicker [TS]

  obviously but that's so calendar do what [TS]

  they always do like all you gotta do is [TS]

  make it a millimeter thicker and then [TS]

  suddenly you gain back all the area that [TS]

  you want for the or you just make the [TS]

  cavity smaller i know i'm sure that [TS]

  working out i'm just curious about what [TS]

  it looks like but I real-time follow up [TS]

  the total amount of data stored and [TS]

  overcast upload so far is a hundred and [TS]

  eighty nine gigs that I'm not bad for [TS]

  like three days after release and I have [TS]

  that is impressive in do of any feel for [TS]

  how many files that is just ballpark [TS]

  this doesn't tell me that something [TS]

  wasn't right [TS]

  yeah no I'm not going to anyway doesn't [TS]

  matter a lot [TS]

  480 acres I mean might have a limit of [TS]

  500 megs profile so it's probably maybe [TS]

  know I've raised its a gig profile now [TS]

  so you know it's it's gotta be at least [TS]

  a hundred mediate it's probably before [TS]

  anyway so I think this will be a major [TS]

  ipad update because for one thing it i [TS]

  think that bringing the pencil to the 10 [TS]

  inch line is a really big deal and by [TS]

  all accounts that we're going to do that [TS]

  is going to be huge because for so many [TS]

  people they really want the pencil but [TS]

  the ipad pro is just too big because he [TS]

  had probably you really have to be like [TS]

  really into working on the ipad like on [TS]

  a table or a desk like you have to be [TS]

  really into that kind of setup like [TS]

  almost like a mini laptop really you [TS]

  have to be using it that [TS]

  have to be using it that [TS]

  I way to be comfortable for a lot of a [TS]

  lot of people the way most people use [TS]

  iPads kind of like in one arm like kind [TS]

  of sitting like I I'm gonna catch [TS]

  something like the way most people use [TS]

  ipad i think that the ipad pro is is not [TS]

  great that you can do it but it's really [TS]

  not great for that and in some cases [TS]

  maybe you can't do it so I think there's [TS]

  a lot of people who would like the [TS]

  features of the ipad pro but just wanted [TS]

  to be smaller and you know just for [TS]

  physical dimension reasons so I think [TS]

  this will sell very well for an ipad i [TS]

  don't think it's going to revive the [TS]

  ipad and save it you know by itself it [TS]

  might be part of a combination of things [TS]

  that revived the ipad but i know i don't [TS]

  think this alone will do it but I think [TS]

  it's gonna be a really nice update is [TS]

  going to be a success I think and if I [TS]

  use my iPad more than 0 times ever i [TS]

  would totally get it because it looks [TS]

  really good [TS]

  unfortunately a in maybe you know I [TS]

  might get anything I had an idea for an [TS]

  app to use the pencil but i don't think [TS]

  i'm probably gonna get that idea anytime [TS]

  soon so I'm probably wait on that not [TS]

  probably like this version but that the [TS]

  only thing that we can get this version [TS]

  i think if I decided before with that [TS]

  happen I would get a test on but I'm not [TS]

  gonna happen i'm really hoping for even [TS]

  though i'm not at all in the market for [TS]

  a laptop i am really hoping for the new [TS]

  macbook pros whatever else happens to be [TS]

  released has the keyboard mechanism from [TS]

  the magic keyboard if you haven't follow [TS]

  me on twitter i won't shut up about how [TS]

  much i love the match keyboard because [TS]

  guess what I'm so amped for the thought [TS]

  of that keyboard being on a macbook pro [TS]

  because now typing on my break basically [TS]

  brand new as I sit here today [TS]

  Mac with 15-inch macbook macbook pro the [TS]

  keys are just mushi by comparison to the [TS]

  to the magic the magic keyboard and I [TS]

  and I want the Magic keyboard in a [TS]

  macbook pro some fears [TS]

  yeah so I guess what Michael pronoun or [TS]

  anything else about the ipad know but [TS]

  there's also the iphone and the watch [TS]

  band anyway we'll get there [TS]

  yeah so macbook pro entirely skylight [TS]

  ships this past winter like in CS when [TS]

  I'm whatever time scale that was our we [TS]

  are in that ballpark skylake is a big [TS]

  deal [TS]

  basically it's the New River [TS]

  version of the intel cpus that is [TS]

  dramatically lower battery life or [TS]

  directly less battery usage and a pretty [TS]

  decent performance increase as well so [TS]

  it ends up that if you you know by [TS]

  switching the sky like if you keep the [TS]

  size of the thing the same you can get a [TS]

  nice long battery out of it if you if [TS]

  you just want to keep the battery life [TS]

  the same then you can trick the size of [TS]

  the laptop you can make it thinner and [TS]

  lighter so what we've heard from ATP [TS]

  tipster quite a lot actually but you [TS]

  know what we've heard is that this [TS]

  update or some updates soon like [TS]

  basically like these these laptops exist [TS]

  we don't know if they'll be released on [TS]

  wednesday but this update has happened [TS]

  internally and they're they're like done [TS]

  they're ready to go so who but you know [TS]

  with until you never know whether they [TS]

  can get enough chips and weather until [TS]

  it entails a message as a partner to [TS]

  depend on quick like intelligent holding [TS]

  back Mac releases for years now because [TS]

  just like they just can't advance their [TS]

  own stuff they can get the process up [TS]

  they can yield up whatever else but [TS]

  sometime very soon and probably this [TS]

  event is going to be a significant [TS]

  update to the macbook pro line including [TS]

  and also the the macbook one and so it [TS]

  moving moving moving the mollusk I like [TS]

  basically and of course with this lesson [TS]

  to do as I said earlier is you can [TS]

  either increase the battery life or you [TS]

  can make the thinner and lighter so [TS]

  coordinated tipster the the macbook one [TS]

  little skinny one port thing with the [TS]

  crappy keyboard that is apparently [TS]

  getting skylight but with you know not [TS]

  really other meaningful changes the the [TS]

  USBC port it has will become a [TS]

  thunderbolt three USBC port i think but [TS]

  that will be a big deal because you know [TS]

  that enables faster things and better [TS]

  monitor and stuff like that but the main [TS]

  thing is with the macbook one it will [TS]

  get a decent performance increase but [TS]

  again keep in mind it you know if a lot [TS]

  of people are hoping for the macbook 12 [TS]

  somehow reach the level of like last [TS]

  year's macbook pro or something it won't [TS]

  they can't the the thermal differences [TS]

  there like this is a fanless computer [TS]

  made to dissipate like 6 watts of heat [TS]

  or whatever it's not it can't you can't [TS]

  put a cpu class that that's made for [TS]

  like 25 watt enclosure it can dissipate [TS]

  heat so the macbook one CPUs are never [TS]

  going to be fast relative to the ones [TS]

  you can get by going a little bit large [TS]

  with a fan like they're never gonna be [TS]

  that fast and it's never going to be [TS]

  close [TS]

  they just can't be by just thermals of [TS]

  CPU design but it will be probably you [TS]

  know a good you know ten to twenty-five [TS]

  percent faster than it is now something [TS]

  like that like in that ballpark and it's [TS]

  also going to probably have something [TS]

  like ten to thirty percent better [TS]

  battery life something like that so it [TS]

  takes this computer that was pretty [TS]

  underpowered and had pretty mediocre [TS]

  battery life and it makes those things [TS]

  better [TS]

  you know not a hundred percent better [TS]

  but decently better so epic one will get [TS]

  a little better i would also speculate I [TS]

  haven't heard anything about this yet [TS]

  but I would speculate on the on the [TS]

  invitation to the event the the [TS]

  invitation apples and I know we don't [TS]

  want to look too much into it [TS]

  however it is pretty obvious on the [TS]

  invitation that they have clearly [TS]

  featured the the the colors of the [TS]

  metals they've been offering on the [TS]

  iphone they have the the space grey the [TS]

  rose gold the gold in the aluminum they [TS]

  have all those colors like kind of [TS]

  forming the logo on the on the [TS]

  invitation so I have to imagine this [TS]

  indicates they're going to offer these [TS]

  colors on the new laptops notably they [TS]

  don't currently offer the the pink of [TS]

  the year excuse me rose gold they they [TS]

  don't offer rose gold macbook ones yet [TS]

  and they don't offer any colors on the [TS]

  macbook pros yet it would be cool if [TS]

  they offered all four colors on all the [TS]

  macbook pros and according to a teacher [TS]

  that that might be the case so I'm [TS]

  looking forward if they do that i would [TS]

  love to have those color options or more [TS]

  color options but i would love to [TS]

  restart with those that would be it'd be [TS]

  great to just have something different [TS]

  from the plane aluminum that we've seen [TS]

  for god knows how long [TS]

  right totally i bought my first mac when [TS]

  the polycarbonate macbook was a thing [TS]

  and I remember wanting the what people [TS]

  called the black book which is basically [TS]

  a black plastic macbook I wanted that [TS]

  thing so badly [TS]

  probably because I came from thinkpads [TS]

  overall black but to this day I still [TS]

  think it looks really really really good [TS]

  and I wanted it so bad but it was like a [TS]

  hundred fifty dollars or something like [TS]

  that [TS]

  you're the only difference was the case [TS]

  and that collect fingerprints like crazy [TS]

  like that was that i did not know [TS]

  neither eii we [TS]

  couple number office people hadn't I got [TS]

  to see him like during that time and [TS]

  they never look good in person because [TS]

  like and needed you know the white ones [TS]

  would have the discoloring palmrest when [TS]

  it wasn't actually from your hands [TS]

  necessarily they would actually the [TS]

  plastic just color with heat and it [TS]

  would also just color if you had your [TS]

  hands all over and they were dirty but [TS]

  like I got my top case replaced in the [TS]

  middle of having my white macbook with [TS]

  the replacement I put a little like one [TS]

  of those little like stick on protectors [TS]

  on it like a clear screen protector on [TS]

  it so my hands never actually rested on [TS]

  it and it still discolored and yeah it [TS]

  turns out like that you know as we [TS]

  learned but the white iphone being [TS]

  delayed for like almost a year remember [TS]

  that as we learned making white plastic [TS]

  that age as well on stands up to heat is [TS]

  really hard and they just didn't do it [TS]

  right or they haven't figured it out yet [TS]

  so the black one had had a different [TS]

  finish that the white one had a glossy [TS]

  me smooth finish the black ones like [TS]

  this weird Matt almost rubbery finish [TS]

  and it just showed the slightest hint of [TS]

  finger oils just from like picking it up [TS]

  you have these giant Willie fingerprints [TS]

  visible on the case it was really not [TS]

  but it it's unfortunate like when it was [TS]

  perfectly immaculate it did look really [TS]

  nice but that lasted like a day and then [TS]

  that was it the aluminum ones have the [TS]

  same problem back in the day like I have [TS]

  one of the later non unibody before any [TS]

  unibody a apple portables came out [TS]

  aluminum and that aluminum will get [TS]

  these weird smudges like they would they [TS]

  didn't wipe off they would end up like [TS]

  discoloring the aluminum from oils on [TS]

  your fingers from just kids gross like [TS]

  you couldn't wash it off and this was [TS]

  not great in the new ones like on the [TS]

  macbook and I know because that my kids [TS]

  grimy hands are all of these things and [TS]

  now the kids have graduated up to or the [TS]

  computers have graduated down to the [TS]

  kids like that now they're using the old [TS]

  macbook air and it just even though it's [TS]

  the same color as the same boring silver [TS]

  that it's always been [TS]

  it stands up better to finger grease and [TS]

  grime and i think the the current crop [TS]

  of like the ones at the space gray or [TS]

  whatever the darker color one that one [TS]

  seems like it should hold up even better [TS]

  i think i think they finally figured out [TS]

  how to make a surface the aluminum [TS]

  services durable and doesn't discolor [TS]

  then different colors of it like the [TS]

  gold and then the space grey only [TS]

  improve that because the hardest one to [TS]

  get is the one that's like the lightest [TS]

  or the closest to white which is the the [TS]

  plain old silver so even if I hadn't [TS]

  seen rumors about this which I had I [TS]

  would've fully expect just because [TS]

  because the macbook one is available [TS]

  most colors they'll all be available [TS]

  most colleges so just aluminum and [TS]

  they're making a million things [TS]

  analyzing different ways and I think [TS]

  that really got the the anodizing and [TS]

  the surface treatment of this aluminum [TS]

  down at this point that they totally [TS]

  should do that and I don't know if [TS]

  they're gonna charge more for them they [TS]

  didn't want the macbook one and said I'm [TS]

  not unlike the black book which was [TS]

  whatever you know I said hundred fifty [TS]

  dollars it's just a way to make them [TS]

  more attractive machines and if they [TS]

  have a pink one that will definitely [TS]

  help because that like that's the first [TS]

  sort of non-boring color is the other [TS]

  ones like all right well there are [TS]

  shades of gray and a gold that bear [TS]

  looks cool but I would like a red one a [TS]

  blue one yellow one [TS]

  you know we used to have multicolored [TS]

  imax and they were fun and we love them [TS]

  now we're you know we're still kind of [TS]

  timidly dipping our toe into colors that [TS]

  are not just different shades of silver [TS]

  or brown and also you know just like the [TS]

  actual design of the macbooks has [TS]

  changed so little you know in the last [TS]

  10 years i really like going going [TS]

  through your body transition and and [TS]

  then going from from unibody 2 retina [TS]

  it's still just kinda looks like the [TS]

  same laptop just you know dinner it's [TS]

  like it it's still it still looks very [TS]

  similar and and it i think they look [TS]

  good you know i think the current does [TS]

  look good but it's pretty boring by now [TS]

  it's everywhere and and you know as [TS]

  Apple has gotten more popular this [TS]

  issues even gotten worse because I kind [TS]

  of feel like I want to mince some room [TS]

  for individuality and i know i'm not [TS]

  going to get a huge amount of that [TS]

  especially by a space gray one intro to [TS]

  an apple conference like i know i'm not [TS]

  going to get that which individuality [TS]

  there but i would like just something to [TS]

  push us a little in that direction you [TS]

  know anyway 50 pictures right there's [TS]

  also substantial update to the macbook [TS]

  pro and this to me is more interesting [TS]

  because the epic one we've already seen [TS]

  I've decided it's not for me a lot of [TS]

  people decided that or that it is for [TS]

  them and the update to the epic one is [TS]

  probably gonna be a fairly minor one [TS]

  where the update the macbook pro is is [TS]

  if he's right [TS]

  remember to be substantial and this is [TS]

  going to be a you know a significant [TS]

  design update because i like has enabled [TS]

  black to become thinner and lighter [TS]

  because you know they're gonna shave off [TS]

  the quote excess battery because i love [TS]

  the kind of that but you know i'm pretty [TS]

  sure that's how you look at it and you [TS]

  know you can argue whether it is whether [TS]

  it is an excess i'm sure i will argue [TS]

  that eventually again but i suspect [TS]

  based on is based on the information [TS]

  here I expect that the new macbook pro [TS]

  will look like the macbook 1 i'm just [TS]

  you know not that small obviously but [TS]

  had a similar styling so also offered in [TS]

  the color metals a thinner design [TS]

  probably not tapered but a thinner [TS]

  design using skylight ships i would [TS]

  expect roughly the 13-inch macbook pro [TS]

  to be effectively a replacement for 3413 [TS]

  chair at this point you know when [TS]

  introduced the map of one fans of the [TS]

  air very disappointed because it seemed [TS]

  as though they were probably not going [TS]

  to ever touch the air again and that the [TS]

  long wished for retina air was probably [TS]

  not going to happen that the macbook one [TS]

  is the retina air and that seems you [TS]

  know so far that seems to probably [TS]

  correct but the new macbook pro 13-inch [TS]

  if you shave off it you know twenty [TS]

  percent of the way to 13 inch or [TS]

  whatever you know if you shave off a [TS]

  significant chunk of that weight then [TS]

  and make a little bit thinner than the [TS]

  13-inch macbook pro is very close to the [TS]

  size and weight of the 13 a chair and [TS]

  its retina and it's newer more modern [TS]

  and so you know supposedly it that [TS]

  sounds really good like if that's all [TS]

  true and and the rumor is also a that it [TS]

  retains the same portslade it's not [TS]

  gonna lose you know tons of ports can [TS]

  retain the ports and just trade in the [TS]

  Thunderbolts for the four new USBC [TS]

  thunderball three ports if that's true [TS]

  that's great that's like a great laptop [TS]

  like the you know the 15 or 13 it the [TS]

  they're both you know tipster says [TS]

  they're both gonna gonna be like that i [TS]

  would love either of those honestly the [TS]

  13 would be a fantastic replacement for [TS]

  the macbook air at least the 13th [TS]

  version of the map where the 11 chair [TS]

  fans [TS]

  I'm sorry you're screwed you got the [TS]

  macbook one but if you're a fan of 13 [TS]

  share i think the 13 inch pro then [TS]

  you know if this is all true that will [TS]

  be awesome like that will be a fantastic [TS]

  all-around laptop it will be thin and [TS]

  light and powerful and we'll have a [TS]

  Retina screen and tons of ports for [TS]

  usefulness [TS]

  that sounds great the 15-inch will also [TS]

  become even more compelling you know if [TS]

  if this all works out then the 15-inch [TS]

  you know kind of like drops itself i [TS]

  like half a weight class basically so it [TS]

  becomes even thinner and lighter and you [TS]

  know again it's already you know the [TS]

  current 15 is already pretty good for a [TS]

  15-inch this becomes even thinner [TS]

  lighter i really hope this is all true i [TS]

  would love to see this come out next [TS]

  week if not we'll probably have it at [TS]

  uwc maybe or sometime between now and [TS]

  then but if you look at what's in this [TS]

  event you have the new iPad and then you [TS]

  have we have hardware which is the new [TS]

  4g iphone those are both kind of like [TS]

  mid grade too low end products and also [TS]

  a new watch bands but not even and and [TS]

  possibly a minor update to the wash but [TS]

  probably not even that you kind of have [TS]

  like all these kind of low and low [TS]

  profile products i'm hoping the macbooks [TS]

  are what makes the event kind of [TS]

  complete that the macbook and macbook [TS]

  pros would be like this is it isn't just [TS]

  all boring low and stuff it's also hey [TS]

  here's here's some new stuff for the [TS]

  laptops that you're all using you know [TS]

  here's a significant new versions of [TS]

  these laptops [TS]

  I hope that's what's going on here now [TS]

  about that four-inch iphone what do you [TS]

  think about that John would you use it [TS]

  for so long with you would you get a 4g [TS]

  iphone i can't go back now i think i've [TS]

  been thinking about it and like and we [TS]

  have enough little ipod touch around the [TS]

  house like in some ways i miss the [TS]

  portability but I'm just so used to the [TS]

  the big screen now I don't think I can [TS]

  go back and it's the 516 does still feel [TS]

  a little bit unwieldy in my pocket but i [TS]

  don't know if i went to a store and [TS]

  everything on my two years was up and I [TS]

  need a new phone i think i could pick [TS]

  this exercise so I'm I'm a convert but I [TS]

  would assume that they are going to [TS]

  offer the smaller phone and that the [TS]

  smaller from will be cheaper in keeping [TS]

  with the trend that the plus is more [TS]

  expensive than the six the smaller phone [TS]

  will be less expensive than this [TS]

  exercise devices probably add a [TS]

  proportion to the cost savings that they [TS]

  get from using a smaller screen [TS]

  because they do get some cost savings [TS]

  for using a smaller screen and a smaller [TS]

  battery and like all that stuff does [TS]

  cost less but not you know not that much [TS]

  less i think that i think this will be [TS]

  the the lowest end of the current [TS]

  generation of iphone which is kind of a [TS]

  shame for the people who are hoping for [TS]

  the best that Apple could pack into a [TS]

  small package but I think they're going [TS]

  to be disappointed [TS]

  yeah I don't know it's funny because I [TS]

  definitely wanted all the new insides [TS]

  when I got the six last year I guess two [TS]

  years ago now but I really didn't want a [TS]

  bigger phone and to this day the phone [TS]

  doesn't feel bad in my hand but we use a [TS]

  a 5s as like a noisemaker when Declan is [TS]

  sleeping so I handle the 5s at least [TS]

  once a day and our man does that feel so [TS]

  much better my hand if he feels perfect [TS]

  in my hand it really does and i think [TS]

  that's 95% sighs and a little bit on the [TS]

  edges but mostly it's the size the [TS]

  problem though is that I don't know if I [TS]

  can go back from a phone that's got this [TS]

  much screen real estate and so I think [TS]

  like John I probably am a permanent [TS]

  convert I mean I'm not a maniac I'm not [TS]

  gonna go + club but i think i'm a [TS]

  permanent convert in the six size [TS]

  category but gosh i'm gonna have a real [TS]

  crisis of decision making it when they [TS]

  show us something that looks really [TS]

  pretty but is the same size as a five [TS]

  ass have high hopes for this phone even [TS]

  though i don't plan to get 1 i'm glad [TS]

  that it's even remember that it's very [TS]

  little gets very likely to happen i'm [TS]

  glad that they care about the 4 inch [TS]

  size the iphone 6 and 6 plus sizes are [TS]

  good for a lot of people but not [TS]

  everyone and to totally abandon the 4 [TS]

  inch line i think what would have been a [TS]

  mistake and would have really made life [TS]

  a little less comedian for a lot of [TS]

  people so i'm glad i really like doing [TS]

  this I'm very happy that that we're [TS]

  gonna have these options in the lineup [TS]

  again for people who do want them and [TS]

  I'm glad that that the option is just [TS]

  going to be like oh you can you can [TS]

  choose [TS]

  they're like a new giant phone or an old [TS]

  piece of crap it seems like the gap [TS]

  between if the rumored specs are correct [TS]

  it's going to basically be a mini [TS]

  success with maybe a little bit lower [TS]

  clock speed for thermal reasons but it [TS]

  seems like it's going to have current [TS]

  generation hardware for the most part [TS]

  you know we'll see i don't think we know [TS]

  really what the camera is going to be at [TS]

  probably won't be as good as sex just [TS]

  for size for cost reasons but it's [TS]

  probably close you know and and so I [TS]

  think it's going to be a really nice [TS]

  product for a lot of people and i'm glad [TS]

  i was gonna happen I i do think you know [TS]

  John you kinda you talk about a little [TS]

  bit i do think it is kind of unfortunate [TS]

  that apple charges by size so by pricing [TS]

  they are going to have to make this like [TS]

  the lowest SPECT phone in addition to [TS]

  the you know the kind of smallest one [TS]

  it does kind of suck that people who get [TS]

  the get the small phone probably never [TS]

  going to have the best hardware but [TS]

  it'll be better than using you know [TS]

  two-year-old three-year-old hardware so [TS]

  you know overall pretty good i'm looking [TS]

  forward to it [TS]

  design-wise i'm totally with you guys I [TS]

  really don't care for the six physical [TS]

  design at all i think and the six [TS]

  estimated slightly better by making the [TS]

  finish on the case slightly less [TS]

  slippery but not enough [TS]

  i I really do not like the little [TS]

  slippery bar of soap design i don't like [TS]

  that i have to use a case now i have to [TS]

  use apples other case now just to get [TS]

  grip [TS]

  I don't like cases I don't like having [TS]

  all the dust collector around the edge i [TS]

  don't like the extra bulk the day that [TS]

  they add I I don't like spending another [TS]

  40 bucks every time I buy a new phone is [TS]

  like it just like cases are really in [TS]

  elegant solution and no lot of people [TS]

  use them and that's fine but surely it's [TS]

  better if you design a phone that [TS]

  doesn't need a case for so many people [TS]

  some people can use the case regardless [TS]

  lot of people using case regardless it [TS]

  needs a case for any my phone before [TS]

  this and it was fine and and the six in [TS]

  the success [TS]

  I I need a case to hold them securely [TS]

  and that kind of sucks i'm hoping with [TS]

  the iphone 7 design this fall i'm hoping [TS]

  that it improves the the real world hold [TS]

  ability somehow [TS]

  I'm honestly not that hopeful that it [TS]

  will i'm not as down on the six shape in [TS]

  fact I'm i kinda wish i could use about [TS]

  a case beside it's so nice to have the [TS]

  curved glass and like the case messes [TS]

  that up for it always stuff like that oh [TS]

  yes but on the other hand i really like [TS]

  my leather case i like the fact that it [TS]

  is protected by this thin layer of stuff [TS]

  that can get nicked up and that i can [TS]

  replace it and that is gripping because [TS]

  the leather is way more grippy than [TS]

  anything [TS]

  aluminum is ever going to be and i like [TS]

  that that's why I was use silicone cases [TS]

  for such a long time I like the [TS]

  grittiness but if the seven is like this [TS]

  like this i'll be getting a 17-6 will [TS]

  welcome my two years with my sex will be [TS]

  up and i'll end up getting a seven and [TS]

  if it's more or less like the six but [TS]

  improved insides I'm fine with it so [TS]

  important question to go back to the [TS]

  4-inch phone does it or does it not have [TS]

  a camera bulge anything no right to [TS]

  comment got not have one you know it [TS]

  depends like so the reason i bring up [TS]

  the seven also now is like you so we [TS]

  have this release [TS]

  that's literally halfway between the the [TS]

  6 and the 7 that's the success and the [TS]

  Seven design releases this phone [TS]

  obviously they want they're gonna want [TS]

  to be in the lineup for a while they're [TS]

  not going to want you know they're not [TS]

  going to make it look outdated in six [TS]

  months [TS]

  ideally so i'm guessing like so you [TS]

  figure like will design of the new for [TS]

  each phone more closely resemble the 6s [TS]

  or the seven and/or the 5s that was on [TS]

  the early rumors i don't see that well [TS]

  because the 5s that it's 5s didn't have [TS]

  a bulge so that's what makes me think [TS]

  that they're making a 4-inch phone like [TS]

  about the the only reason you need the [TS]

  bulges like we we need to have the best [TS]

  camera in the best camera just too big [TS]

  to fit if it's too big to fit that just [TS]

  won't give you the best camera and [TS]

  they're going to have a non bulging [TS]

  camera on the seven it seems like so [TS]

  they could even put that in there they [TS]

  want to have the good camera seems like [TS]

  they're they're non bulge options are so [TS]

  many including actually making including [TS]

  actually making a little bit thicker [TS]

  because hey this isn't the fanciest one [TS]

  it's a little bit thicker it would still [TS]

  be thinner than the 5s and still not [TS]

  have a policy I think I feel like the [TS]

  ball Jays for this class are probably [TS]

  over and the only reason ipod touch the [TS]

  house he's not care about the ipod touch [TS]

  it because they have that is insanely [TS]

  yeah I i hope that doesn't have a bulge [TS]

  that but yeah so anyway I'm really [TS]

  curious to see like will the design of [TS]

  the new forest phone give us any hints [TS]

  towards the design of the seven [TS]

  basically like you know but will [TS]

  indicate kind of where they're going or [TS]

  is it just you know gonna look old or [TS]

  the six design i think is is ugly [TS]

  certainly I i think it hasn't it has [TS]

  very little personality you know if you [TS]

  look at almost every previous iphone [TS]

  except maybe the 3g if you look at all [TS]

  the ones i think they have a more [TS]

  distinct look if you look at the 6i [TS]

  think it looks like every android phone [TS]

  and partisan has been copying happened [TS]

  crazy butBut you know part of that also [TS]

  just like there's a less there's less [TS]

  about the six that is visually [TS]

  distinctive where's like you know the [TS]

  five and the 5s like these really is [TS]

  beautiful pretty unique looking objects [TS]

  that and and the four before that again [TS]

  like you know that's really like unique [TS]

  like double glass kind of thing [TS]

  these are like really [TS]

  distinctive-looking objects the six just [TS]

  isn't distinctive it just looks like a [TS]

  blob and it feels like a blob and and [TS]

  the back i think is ugly [TS]

  I like the sex look better than the five [TS]

  never liked the five design it just [TS]

  seemed like a boring tub of aluminum [TS]

  chamfered edges not enough to redeem it [TS]

  for me like this doesn't athletically [TS]

  and and I think the 66 was not the first [TS]

  one to use curved glass of the edge many [TS]

  other phones including android phones to [TS]

  that first so but I think Apple was wise [TS]

  to pick that was the reason i think the [TS]

  six looks better is because i like that [TS]

  i like both the appearance and the feel [TS]

  of the glass curving into the rest of [TS]

  the case and the back of it doesn't look [TS]

  that impressive but I don't think it has [TS]

  to I think it's pleasingly smooth [TS]

  included an admirable job of blending in [TS]

  those weird antenna lines like that that [TS]

  looks expensive and fancy to me even if [TS]

  it aesthetically it doesn't look [TS]

  particularly nice if this if this case [TS]

  is to be believed they've changed that [TS]

  antenna line to look a little bit more [TS]

  swoopy and a little less utilitarian but [TS]

  we don't know what the front looks like [TS]

  I assume it looks the same but yeah I [TS]

  think you can change the look of the [TS]

  front by I mean adjusting chin sizes or [TS]

  you know you could do much more [TS]

  interesting things with the front of the [TS]

  iphone [TS]

  they're currently doing now and the back [TS]

  of it there anodizing in various colors [TS]

  all of which are very subtle i would say [TS]

  the same thing I mean everything is for [TS]

  years that I'm you know and I like the [TS]

  5c I like the fact that they offered in [TS]

  a bunch of rainbow colors [TS]

  well I can't do that for the expensive [TS]

  phones why do you have to choose between [TS]

  the fastest inside or the fun color so [TS]

  you know we all know one or two people [TS]

  who ended up getting a 5c at least [TS]

  partially because it's a more fun color [TS]

  and sometimes they would sacrifice they [TS]

  would say well I know it's not as fast [TS]

  as I would really like the faster one [TS]

  but i really want to have yellow phone [TS]

  call it looks cool like that 5c was its [TS]

  own case and I thought that was [TS]

  interesting and fun and the top and [TS]

  phone still don't do that so because [TS]

  plenty of room to visually differentiate [TS]

  but this one just ends up being a nicer [TS]

  6i will be fine with that and i think [TS]

  the market will be fine with it too [TS]

  yeah I feel like I'm between you guys in [TS]

  that I definitely think that the five [TS]

  looked great and is probably my favorite [TS]

  of all the iphone designs but the six [TS]

  looks really good and I made them is the [TS]

  the tragic mistake of taking my success [TS]

  out of my cases you guys were talking [TS]

  and now I'm holding it naked in my hands [TS]

  and don't spill water on it [TS]

  I i will attempt not to this phone does [TS]

  is but I mean I like the leather case a [TS]

  lot i've had apple other cases since I [TS]

  can remember pretty much and say they [TS]

  were offered but this phone without a [TS]

  case on it does feel really good in the [TS]

  hand in that it's more it's both more [TS]

  and less comfortable right because it's [TS]

  more comfortable and that the edges are [TS]

  a little easier on the hand but it's [TS]

  less comfortable that it's bigger [TS]

  in fact it's a little too big if I'm [TS]

  trying to reach from with my right hand [TS]

  from the from the bottom right where my [TS]

  thumb is all the way up to the upper [TS]

  left and the only remember what it what [TS]

  it's called little mode where the [TS]

  everything kind of drops down a little [TS]

  bit where you double reach ability [TS]

  yes that's right that's right that's [TS]

  just such a hack but yes i know it's [TS]

  it's tough because I both loving and [TS]

  wish for less and the in the six but i [TS]

  don't think i could go back to a smaller [TS]

  screen i really don't [TS]

  yeah I don't like it either I mean like [TS]

  it it once it's like when you move up [TS]

  monitor sizes on your computer like it's [TS]

  really hard to ever move down [TS]

  I think same thing with the phone is not [TS]

  even more so just how often you use a [TS]

  phone but I think once you once you move [TS]

  up to ask to the big screen size [TS]

  I think moving back downward would you [TS]

  could probably get used to it after like [TS]

  a week but during that week you'd be [TS]

  regretting every single minute getting [TS]

  that phone and you might return it or [TS]

  you know yeah I don't know I I think [TS]

  moving back would be difficult but not [TS]

  impossible [TS]

  yeah but yeah i don't know i mean the [TS]

  fact is like I'm actually thinking about [TS]

  getting the plus within the next [TS]

  generation you're an animal because my [TS]

  is it might have been right was busy [TS]

  right now we're gonna get you into an [TS]

  ipad your phone just going to keep [TS]

  getting bigger and bigger until you [TS]

  realize you're hoping hoping i'm gonna [TS]

  type ad prone to like put this phone [TS]

  seems really big [TS]

  yeah well let me explain my mind my [TS]

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  log in the back please i don't i don't [TS]

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  trying to use like the back to my Mac [TS]

  think that honestly I've never had that [TS]

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  they just do every store if you want to [TS]

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  all your stuff on it it's really they [TS]

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  our show so 7 plus or pro whatever the [TS]

  rumors keep swirling that it might be [TS]

  called iphone pro or might be another [TS]

  model called optical iphone pro what [TS]

  what's pro about it tho i guess the [TS]

  cameras better it yet and it's big its I [TS]

  guess I either going to confuse what [TS]

  that means but the real intended to do [TS]

  this and we'll see what I mean obviously [TS]

  we don't know anything about this [TS]

  product except that it probably will [TS]

  exist and that it might contain a cool [TS]

  dual camera system that the smaller [TS]

  phone wont have if that's all true and [TS]

  if it doesn't really suck for some other [TS]

  way some other reason I'm tended to get [TS]

  it because say i don't use an iPad be i [TS]

  use my phone for so much like my phone [TS]

  is really my my main computer for so [TS]

  much of the day or so for so many parts [TS]

  of my life while I'm traveling while I'm [TS]

  just running errands around around town [TS]

  while I'm just in different parts of my [TS]

  house and not in my office [TS]

  my phone is my computer for so much of [TS]

  everyday i do so much on my phone and [TS]

  there are there are often times when I [TS]

  wish for a little more screen space [TS]

  there are frequently times when I wish [TS]

  more battery life and there are [TS]

  frequently times where i wish i could [TS]

  type a little bit more accurately and i [TS]

  found in my in my brief times using a 6 [TS]

  plus icon on a couple trips I've taken [TS]

  it on [TS]

  I have found that i can type more [TS]

  accurately because the keys are larger [TS]

  on that phone [TS]

  it seems like my iphone typing scales up [TS]

  in accuracy with sighs we're like I when [TS]

  I try using I tried using the 5se the [TS]

  day for testing for what i was doing [TS]

  overcasting and I was a nest on that [TS]

  keyboard [TS]

  I don't know how I ever typed on those [TS]

  key words before and and on the 6 i'm ok [TS]

  16 plus i'm way more accurate so I think [TS]

  it's kind of fits the way I thumb type [TS]

  better so i think i could actually do a [TS]

  lot more while on the way from my [TS]

  computer if i use the six plus an error [TS]

  that if i use the plus size focus of the [TS]

  regular classroom [TS]

  plus you know when I it when I have you [TS]

  have been very happy with those benefits [TS]

  the only my only reservations are that [TS]

  also when I've used I've been really [TS]

  turned off by how big it is in my pocket [TS]

  so that's that's something i would have [TS]

  to consider but I don't know you guys [TS]

  sound like you're pretty pretty set on [TS]

  i'm not going the plus-size between us [TS]

  back up so you're saying that you really [TS]

  really really love the feel of a 4-inch [TS]

  phone but you're probably going to get [TS]

  the 17 inch phone for your next phone it [TS]

  just needs to have all three and so [TS]

  depending on his Olympic moment you just [TS]

  need to get those you know those [TS]

  technical pants with the really big [TS]

  pockets in them so he can have all three [TS]

  and depending on you I feel like typing [TS]

  more efficiently you want to i want to [TS]

  have a little worried stone that I run [TS]

  my hand up all the foreign phone do it [TS]

  until I want to have the in-between [TS]

  sizes publix it that's the only solution [TS]

  review apparently my goodness I i do not [TS]

  want to hear [TS]

  Mike's feedback for this episode i'm [TS]

  already driving that right when you [TS]

  think if the if the seven plus a smart [TS]

  connector I don't buy that for a second [TS]

  so now now i'm not saying that I person [TS]

  that I think that's gonna happen like [TS]

  what would you think of that product is [TS]

  that product more valuable to less [TS]

  valuable to you or the same and you [TS]

  think it's just that well look what [TS]

  smoking does so far so the the rumor of [TS]

  the new ipad is that it will also have [TS]

  you know that the new the new tenant [TS]

  ipad will allegedly have pencil support [TS]

  ipad pro class cpu probably not quite as [TS]

  high clocked and smart connector for the [TS]

  currently the only thing that can use [TS]

  this market are smart keyboard from [TS]

  apple launched and four gigs of ram [TS]

  please forgive me [TS]

  hopefully we still don't know what this [TS]

  mark connector will be four on the 10 [TS]

  inch iPad we can assume it will probably [TS]

  be for a smart keyboard but part of the [TS]

  benefit of the smart Keyboard i'd say [TS]

  probably the biggest benefit of it is [TS]

  that it [TS]

  it functions as a regular ipad cover a [TS]

  bigger bulkier one but still a regular [TS]

  ipad cover so that that makes it so that [TS]

  it has to actually remain the same size [TS]

  as the ipad for to keep that benefit so [TS]

  i'm assuming they would also be a second [TS]

  version of the Apple smart keyboard that [TS]

  would be smaller would fit that size and [TS]

  that makes sense i mean if you have you [TS]

  guys ever use it like a ipad keyboard [TS]

  cover for the potential ipad from [TS]

  livestock and stuff [TS]

  yep i don't think i have no they're [TS]

  they're pretty good i mean like you know [TS]

  their cramped but they're usable not [TS]

  going to type on their good that in that [TS]

  they when you close them they're the [TS]

  same size as your ipod but as soon as [TS]

  you open up their terrible keyboard i [TS]

  would say they're ok I mean if you go [TS]

  for it as much as you can make a usable [TS]

  keyboard that's only you know 19 or [TS]

  whatever wide its they're not bad [TS]

  so it's possible to make one it's usable [TS]

  however it's not possible in my opinion [TS]

  to make one that's usable for the ipad [TS]

  mini they've tried their companies have [TS]

  tried if you're an elf you can get the [TS]

  the ones for the many are really really [TS]

  i think that's that has crossed a [TS]

  threshold where it's just not possible [TS]

  to comfortably like touch-type on [TS]

  something that size i think obviously [TS]

  there's like a limitation here of like [TS]

  how small can you make a keyboard cover [TS]

  that is the same size as the device that [TS]

  it's covering and have it still be [TS]

  usable physical keyboard [TS]

  I don't accept that limitation which is [TS]

  why I brought it up for the seven plus [TS]

  there's obviously in the seven plus the [TS]

  smart connector on the hypothetical [TS]

  smart connected on the side thought [TS]

  exercise you wouldn't be for a keyboard [TS]

  that the same size as the seven plus you [TS]

  would have to break out of that be more [TS]

  like the old palm things where you have [TS]

  this little tiny screen but say you're [TS]

  on a plane and you have stashed in your [TS]

  backpack a full-size keyboard with a [TS]

  smart connector like that unfolds [TS]

  yeah and then you'll be like oh I have [TS]

  to do some serious emailing here I don't [TS]

  want a thumb typing even on my 7 plus [TS]

  turn it sideways smart connector shove [TS]

  it into the keyboard put on your tray [TS]

  table bubble [TS]

  up and then the keyboard goes away like [TS]

  the keyboard you don't no longer have to [TS]

  tie the keyboard to the size of the [TS]

  device then that would let you sort of [TS]

  you know what would be your sort of on [TS]

  your road thing I don't need to bring my [TS]

  macbook one all i gotta bring is my [TS]

  iphone 7 plus and my folded-up smart [TS]

  connector keyboard / stand for the seven [TS]

  plus if i need to do serious typing you [TS]

  can also do that with the bluetooth [TS]

  keyboard writte though you know yeah i [TS]

  know but the smart connectors like you [TS]

  don't have to have an extra battery that [TS]

  you have to do and it could be thin air [TS]

  can be parried from the the phone in the [TS]

  seven plus what you're hoping has enough [TS]

  power that you know the Light demands of [TS]

  a keyboard and it can be magnetic and [TS]

  you can fold up and be the cloth thing [TS]

  like and you know how to deal with [TS]

  bluetooth because in my experience the [TS]

  the tenuous connection between any [TS]

  device and its blues accessories is not [TS]

  a fun thing to have to manage i don't [TS]

  have problems with my keyboard mouse but [TS]

  I mean teach around it's not the [TS]

  keyboard and mouse that like you have [TS]

  right in front of your computer it's [TS]

  like my experiences are all WBC is the [TS]

  only time I've ever do use any bluetooth [TS]

  accessories the comp constantly my ipad [TS]

  losing the Bluetooth connection to the [TS]

  keyboard and my ipad losing the [TS]

  tethering connection to my phone isn't [TS]

  permanent with a smart keyboard also is [TS]

  that the smart keyboard at least as we [TS]

  know it so far the smart connected [TS]

  devices are powered by the host iOS [TS]

  device in theory this smart connector on [TS]

  an iphone would have to use the iphone's [TS]

  battery to power the keyboard now [TS]

  keyboards in and we can kind of like [TS]

  Wireless re you know otherwise keyboard [TS]

  they use very little power [TS]

  yeah they really don't take much but do [TS]

  you really want something else draining [TS]

  power from the phone like another yet [TS]

  another thing power from the phone i was [TS]

  assuming the keyboard is the the power [TS]

  demands are so incredibly light like [TS]

  that it would you wouldn't even care [TS]

  that would be like it would be less [TS]

  power than turning bluetooth on it might [TS]

  be I don't know but you know that's it's [TS]

  a week yet one more thing to consider so [TS]

  basically you know we know Apple will [TS]

  say no to a lot of things that they just [TS]

  think would be clunky or would not have [TS]

  enough sat or whatever i don't i don't [TS]

  see them doing this I i don't i don't [TS]

  see I i just don't see them thinking [TS]

  that enough people want to use external [TS]

  keyboards on their iphones that would be [TS]

  worth making this I mean does anybody [TS]

  know the phone the phone is just a [TS]

  mental [TS]

  exercise but the really the more [TS]

  concrete one is is the 9.7 inch iPad but [TS]

  we always gonna have a smart connector [TS]

  and now i'm saying what if you had a 9.7 [TS]

  inch iPad do you have to have a keyboard [TS]

  that is the size of a 9.7 or can you [TS]

  actually use a larger full-size keyboard [TS]

  with that why would you not want to use [TS]

  it like you have to do have to be a [TS]

  keyboard / also the thing that covers up [TS]

  my ipad why can't those p two distinct [TS]

  things why can't you have one without [TS]

  the other because that sighs I think it [TS]

  starts to make more sense that the phone [TS]

  is the more extreme example and because [TS]

  you know i'm thinking of these phones [TS]

  getting bigger and and more powerful and [TS]

  you graduating up to the moving your [TS]

  ipad so that the phone is just to sort [TS]

  of bring out whether this is a a product [TS]

  that might be useful but we know that we [TS]

  know but we're pretty sure there's going [TS]

  to be a smart connector there and i've [TS]

  used those small keyboards I don't think [TS]

  they're great and once you have the [TS]

  smarts connector on that 1i I feel like [TS]

  it you know if I was again trying to [TS]

  assemble at WWDC bag and I wasn't [TS]

  allowed to use an apple laptop for some [TS]

  reason i would choose a smart connect [TS]

  your keyboard and 9.7 inch iPad pro over [TS]

  a bluetooth keyboard and that same play [TS]

  oh I would too certainly but you know [TS]

  well we'll see what options going to [TS]

  have it but you know I suspect that it [TS]

  that you know if they do this you know [TS]

  if if there is new ipad and if it has a [TS]

  small connector and if they release a an [TS]

  appropriately sized version of the smart [TS]

  keyboard to plug into it probably be [TS]

  decent you know probably not going to be [TS]

  like an amazing keyboard mean that the [TS]

  current smart keyboard is an amazing [TS]

  keyboard it's it's okay you know most [TS]

  people use it say it's roughly similar [TS]

  if not slightly better than the macbook [TS]

  one keyboard and yet if I was like the [TS]

  reason i have tried ipad keyboard case [TS]

  covers before is because that combo [TS]

  having an ipad on a keyboard cover is [TS]

  really nice on airplane tray tables [TS]

  it is awesome for that because it fits [TS]

  on any of them and if you don't already [TS]

  have a tiny laptop that can be your [TS]

  airplane laptop you know not not for [TS]

  doing tons of stuff if you don't usually [TS]

  if you don't usually doesn't have had [TS]

  workflow but it can be pretty cool [TS]

  44 flight you know so if they do this in [TS]

  a good way for the 10 inch iPad that's [TS]

  great that's they're gonna sell good [TS]

  number of them probably I hope it'll be [TS]

  good again I probably [TS]

  any reason ever buy one myself but uh [TS]

  that's going to be really nice so no [TS]

  good in them so i think if you look at [TS]

  this at this event in 2014 watch bands [TS]

  yet guys i watch bands [TS]

  that's the last thing the event right [TS]

  you're not even wearing your watch [TS]

  anymore what do you care mr. mechanical [TS]

  watch it's over there on top of my thing [TS]

  on my desk my next tip is often not [TS]

  working anymore [TS]

  not all of us are too cool for them and [TS]

  so I'm curious to see what the bands are [TS]

  that they that they have in this [TS]

  particular event but I don't feel like [TS]

  I'm in the market for one I am fine with [TS]

  my sport band i only have the one band [TS]

  for the Apple watch and I don't yearn [TS]

  for another but you know i'm curious to [TS]

  see what they what they come up with i [TS]

  mean the the rumors are that you know [TS]

  their enemies is almost given their that [TS]

  if they're going to make new bands at [TS]

  all [TS]

  they're almost certainly going to have [TS]

  new colors of the support band that's [TS]

  easy [TS]

  maybe that's that's notthat doesn't take [TS]

  like a major Reno rethinking of [TS]

  everything and that's that's easy to [TS]

  change out with seasonal and annual [TS]

  fashion changes so they're probably [TS]

  going to do that but also a lot of a [TS]

  very strong rumored that from that I've [TS]

  heard a number of times is that they [TS]

  might do a NATO style strap which i [TS]

  think would be a smart move because [TS]

  there's a very much in fashion right now [TS]

  wait what does that mean i don't know [TS]

  what that is no no that is but your [TS]

  cargo [TS]

  it's at I don't personally care for them [TS]

  so i probably explain them poorly and [TS]

  n8000 yeah yeah like the organization [TS]

  it's a North American Treaty [TS]

  Organization know North Atlantic what [TS]

  the hell is that I don't know started [TS]

  landing I think I don't know but they're [TS]

  like they're like a usually they're like [TS]

  a fabric woven five a woman fabric i [TS]

  think they often have a stripe you know [TS]

  it's like it there [TS]

  i'm sure i'm probably destroying this [TS]

  rule of two things i I don't I don't I [TS]

  don't really care for them so I don't [TS]

  know much about them but another very [TS]

  much in fashion see if you search for [TS]

  nato strap you'll see what I'm talking [TS]

  about you can see if you do is make sure [TS]

  you see they always have this weird like [TS]

  that kind of double loop attachment [TS]

  mechanism there they're kind of bulky [TS]

  but that because they're a woven nylon [TS]

  mesh usually there they usually very [TS]

  comfortable just a little bit large for [TS]

  my tastes but people like them a lot [TS]

  they're very much in fashion watch [TS]

  ration is like I would like a miniature [TS]

  version of them and [TS]

  and skyline and I risks that shows that [TS]

  i'm a city person and I love my hand [TS]

  okay like this NATO strike and it looks [TS]

  like you tilt it isn't meant to evoke it [TS]

  seems like the type of straps used to [TS]

  attach equipment for people in the [TS]

  military and those type of sort of [TS]

  rugged outdoor marrying the type stuff [TS]

  but it isn't one [TS]

  it is not attaching something that needs [TS]

  to be like all those loops are there you [TS]

  know it's like it's like a tiny it's [TS]

  like an art installation that is that [TS]

  like it on your wrist like you know it [TS]

  is a it is an imitation of another thing [TS]

  it you're confused by the fact well it [TS]

  is a strap right it does actually hold [TS]

  Taveras yeah it does hold your wrist but [TS]

  all the crap on there is is from another [TS]

  strap that does the job not the job this [TS]

  thing is doing and I just I can't [TS]

  imagine i can imagine adding like adding [TS]

  adding additional metal things to a [TS]

  strap that's going to be around my wrist [TS]

  that are non-functional you know I don't [TS]

  like that's that's why the what he [TS]

  called the the plastic floor last summer [TS]

  the sports traps appealed to me because [TS]

  for the most part they say well it's [TS]

  just a thing that goes on your wrist [TS]

  let's make it a squishy and as [TS]

  comfortable as possible they kind of go [TS]

  weird with the with the classroom [TS]

  mechanism but suffice it to say I [TS]

  obviously not in the market for a new [TS]

  strap although what I would completely [TS]

  thirty dollars from what I would buy [TS]

  four thirty dollars from apple is a [TS]

  slightly smaller version of the little [TS]

  for the leather band that holds the you [TS]

  know that on the the classic buckle or [TS]

  whatever the leather strap is that I [TS]

  have that holds a little tongue you know [TS]

  the excess tongue that sticks out that [TS]

  little band that supposed to hold it [TS]

  needs to be slightly smaller because the [TS]

  little tongue slips out too easily that [TS]

  happens with every leather watch band [TS]

  I've ever used but you just kind of make [TS]

  it a little bit smaller [TS]

  not a lot smaller just a little bit or [TS]

  they could just put in a dual deployment [TS]

  or something but that's too fancy they [TS]

  probably won't do that no one knows what [TS]

  that is but you it's your like two [TS]

  different days your version of Destiny [TS]

  before it's just a bunch of weird words [TS]

  that seem like they mean nothing but [TS]

  they're yeah i agree i thank god that [TS]

  John actually understands the pain we go [TS]

  through when he gets riffing on destiny [TS]

  starts the destiny is real watch [TS]

  manswers made up stuff right that's what [TS]

  did you call the deployment a deployment [TS]

  oh that makes even more sense it's a [TS]

  type of class so normally you have like [TS]

  literally you put you normally you loop [TS]

  the thing through the buckle and you [TS]

  look it up and down you know so it kind [TS]

  of titans that way a deployment is [TS]

  something where like you you you can [TS]

  attach it to one of the holes and then [TS]

  you can open and close it with his metal [TS]

  opening closing class mechanism so you [TS]

  kind of fix the size to where you want [TS]

  it and then it's always at that size I [TS]

  mean you until you re just it and it it [TS]

  holds it flatter and it's it's quicker [TS]

  to put off so it's considered a slightly [TS]

  better enclosure usually its higher-end [TS]

  but you know I'm Apple could offer it [TS]

  for like 30 bucks more you know Apple [TS]

  could do a good job if they wanted to [TS]

  the example honestly apples bands are [TS]

  awesome like the the band the quality of [TS]

  apples bands the construction of them [TS]

  the the looks of them the practicality [TS]

  and the comfort of apples bands is just [TS]

  worlds beyond most not all but most of [TS]

  what you can find in in the fancy watch [TS]

  world apples bands are great and and you [TS]

  know they they should really be [TS]

  commended on that like they first for [TS]

  that being like they're very first time [TS]

  ever making the watch and they make [TS]

  these amazing bands with this awesome [TS]

  you know quick-detach swap mechanism [TS]

  like the rest of the watch world has [TS]

  nothing on that like it there so good [TS]

  but there are things that they could [TS]

  borrow from the watchful to make a few [TS]

  slight nicer ones and one of those would [TS]

  be a decent leather with a deployment [TS]

  but you know I am I hold my breath [TS]

  amount and you really went I know the [TS]

  advantage on if you get the cruise I [TS]

  brought this up is that deployments [TS]

  usually don't have that problem with the [TS]

  leather bands with the ends slipping out [TS]

  because it's kind of the way it's held [TS]

  its kind of held in a more fixed way it [TS]

  doesn't usually happen our I don't [TS]

  actually need these but a ride I would [TS]

  buy one at the prices they're like I [TS]

  haven't even been able to bring myself [TS]

  to buy a sport one just because it feels [TS]

  like it's not worth fifty bucks for [TS]

  being a plastic or whatever they charge [TS]

  and the other love the strap is fine the [TS]

  old the one annoyances that slips out [TS]

  I just can't believe how deep into the [TS]

  dark side into the deep end or whatever [TS]

  you went on this watch stuff they eat [TS]

  you know how I do things I knew was bad [TS]

  but wolf that's right up his alley [TS]

  yeah but wow is this is [TS]

  I feel like we need an intervention at [TS]

  this point no he's fine whatever he's [TS]

  ever needs a hobby this is a pretty [TS]

  benign hobby as far as obviously he's [TS]

  into jewelry essentially or jewelry as [TS]

  people say yeah yeah it's jewelry I like [TS]

  it [TS]

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  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

  it was accidental Johnson research Marco [TS]

  in kc would let you know [TS]

  because it was accidentally was [TS]

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  know today p dot and if your twitter [TS]

  follow them and s/he yl ISS so that's [TS]

  Casey list and a co-pay rm20 Marco [TS]

  Arment and our AC syracuse it [TS]

  John what the hell happened to your iPod [TS]

  Touch stolen out of my car but people [TS]

  broke have had broken into our cars [TS]

  while they sat on our driveways many [TS]

  times over the years that we've lived [TS]

  here [TS]

  apparently this is a thing that people [TS]

  do they just wandered through the [TS]

  neighborhood at your house yeah they [TS]

  just wanted to the neighborhood at night [TS]

  while everyone is asleep and check for [TS]

  open cars and when they find one to take [TS]

  any valuable stuff out of it [TS]

  why would you not lock your car I always [TS]

  lock my car I always i obsessively lock [TS]

  my car i lock my car when I go into the [TS]

  elementary school to pick up my daughter [TS]

  for the three seconds it's out there [TS]

  always [TS]

  why was the car apparently unlocked it [TS]

  could be the UI on the key fob or used [TS]

  to be three separate buttons one of [TS]

  which was locked it was a different size [TS]

  and than the other ones and a centrally [TS]

  located and now that we're talking about [TS]

  this when i got my new record that is [TS]

  just like sort of like a single [TS]

  rectangular region divided into thirds [TS]

  and the bottom one is lock that it's not [TS]

  as bad as I thought it was when i first [TS]

  talked about my card for 5 i'm pretty [TS]

  good at finding the buttons but it's [TS]

  conceivable that I could match the wrong [TS]

  one absent mindedly it's also [TS]

  conceivable that someone else in the [TS]

  house could grab some set of keys the [TS]

  wrong way and accidentally unlock the [TS]

  car because the signal can reach you [TS]

  know from inside the house that anyway I [TS]

  probably just forgot that scary thing [TS]

  about it is because I am so obsessive [TS]

  about locking my car [TS]

  it basically means that every single [TS]

  night someone is checking all the cars [TS]

  right because you're what are the odds [TS]

  that the one day i forgot to lock it is [TS]

  the one day get stolen because like a [TS]

  little guy I'm really good about like I [TS]

  lock the house i like the car i lock [TS]

  everything I'm from New York it's like [TS]

  what I did right so it has to be like [TS]

  that the one time I slipped up and so [TS]

  many other options they could be [TS]

  breaking in [TS]

  that's the past things in my life never [TS]

  locked the car so she's at her car broke [TS]

  into a million times I took all the [TS]

  quarters out of the things i'd probably [TS]

  go in there all the time and be like up [TS]

  still nothing good in this car is used [TS]

  to have a lot of change in their parking [TS]

  meters not all got taken out a couple [TS]

  years ago and then one time we came out [TS]

  and found like in the winter the window [TS]

  rolled down on my car are on a card that [TS]

  i had driven last and anyone who's ever [TS]

  removing those I do not roll down [TS]

  windows like I don't like one of the [TS]

  guys I would never rolled in the winter [TS]

  and I'm always cold for get it right so [TS]

  I didn't roll down the window on purpose [TS]

  don't think I did it accidentally maybe [TS]

  and in the course of trying to break [TS]

  into the car they somehow triggered the [TS]

  window rolling down i have no freaking [TS]

  idea but anyway this is over the course [TS]

  of many years and this time they went in [TS]

  they took my it was i think it was like [TS]

  a second generation ipod touch with some [TS]

  really old ipods actually was useless [TS]

  like you couldn't even give it to a kid [TS]

  the whole point is like great that's [TS]

  what you do with all the ipod touches [TS]

  you fill it up with music and you stick [TS]

  it in your car is your permanent you [TS]

  know music collection in the car now i [TS]

  use bluetooth on my phone for the [TS]

  Cardinals in the podcast but everyone's [TS]

  why switch to the ipod source you get [TS]

  like the display of the the songs and [TS]

  everything is just nice to have a [TS]

  separate bucket for music and playlists [TS]

  and stuff like that so I took that they [TS]

  took the case that it was in which is [TS]

  this little cute cloth case with a [TS]

  something from etsy I think they took [TS]

  the wire they did not take the garmin [TS]

  gps the ancient dedicated garmin gps [TS]

  from the pre iphone days that couldn't [TS]

  be bothered that even they recognize [TS]

  this is a worthless piece of technology [TS]

  yeah so that was pretty annoying so I [TS]

  have y'all done is pulled another yet [TS]

  another i did go through the the [TS]

  exercise of find my iphone and of course [TS]

  it's not online anymore and i set the [TS]

  thing too you know [TS]

  autoloc if it ever connect to the [TS]

  internet because of course didn't block [TS]

  I don't think there's anything on it i [TS]

  think i had erased everything off of it [TS]

  except for just a music collection that [TS]

  I that this ipod touch was too old even [TS]

  use iCloud stuff so is it i like I'd [TS]

  synced with itunes music onto it so i [TS]

  think all they've got is my collection [TS]

  of mostly drm-free music if they ever do [TS]

  connect to the internet it will [TS]

  automatically lock itself [TS]

  yeah it's just kinda depressing kind of [TS]

  sad and just you know i guess i guess i [TS]

  have to i was thinking of getting a look [TS]

  at their coming every night you get one [TS]

  of these little cameras that your [TS]

  advertising other podcast just pointed [TS]

  in my car and to see them on their [TS]

  nightly visits because really it's [TS]

  amazing amazing to me like if I forgot [TS]

  to my life my car one night and that's [TS]

  not a good program to because I really [TS]

  very very short that lock the car all [TS]

  the time it is the thing i do [TS]

  obsessively any forever it's worth like [TS]

  the enemy first of all that sucks [TS]

  second of all regarding the like [TS]

  no having some kind of camera thing so [TS]

  we we got a couple of like minor [TS]

  vandalism incidents at our house over [TS]

  the last couple years and unfortunately [TS]

  they weren't they weren't make sure but [TS]

  they were vandalism and it really [TS]

  angered me and and you know the second [TS]

  time it happened [TS]

  the more the most recent happened i [TS]

  actually reported it to the local police [TS]

  like this is stupid that they should at [TS]

  least know about this and I didn't [TS]

  actually do anything and they they [TS]

  couldn't but I asked the officer came by [TS]

  casino is the middle day is nothing to [TS]

  do with suburbs and I'm like you know i [TS]

  do you think that is there any value and [TS]

  me like putting up cameras like if I if [TS]

  I had the cameras and I had video of [TS]

  whatever like teenager was doing this [TS]

  you actually do anything with that or [TS]

  what is it just wastes time and he [TS]

  talked to me for you no good ten minutes [TS]

  hibino basically said like yeah there's [TS]

  not much they can do [TS]

  it's like even if you get even if you [TS]

  know exactly which kid in town did it [TS]

  which is you know not a given but even [TS]

  if he knew exactly who did it like you [TS]

  know that most of the kids to do this [TS]

  kind of stuff for minors and you know [TS]

  it's like this one there's not that much [TS]

  they can do in that case you might get [TS]

  your stuff back or if the kid you know [TS]

  analyze your house like you might be [TS]

  able to try to get them to pay for it to [TS]

  be removed and cleaned up or whatever [TS]

  but it's not like there's not much you [TS]

  can do and and alex i was thinking like [TS]

  once you go down with the security [TS]

  camera route you kind of have to become [TS]

  like it one of those like paranoid [TS]

  security people ugh you don't have to [TS]

  you don't have to go home when you get [TS]

  into anything I wouldn't have to like I [TS]

  was the only reason i would do it is all [TS]

  first of all as for reporting and I i [TS]

  I'm considering that to not because I [TS]

  expect anything happen just because I [TS]

  want to like affect the crime statistics [TS]

  of my neighborhood to let people know [TS]

  that hey this is the thing that I want [TS]

  to be a number on a spreadsheet [TS]

  somewhere at the end of the year when I [TS]

  tell ya you know silly petty theft and [TS]

  in my town right and the camera would [TS]

  just be just because I'm curious like [TS]

  basically it's the delight is a kids or [TS]

  is it adults right cause if it's kids [TS]

  these kids it is the same group of kids [TS]

  has been doing over the course of like [TS]

  five years that spans of time there may [TS]

  be more than that like can't be the same [TS]

  kids because they would have aged out of [TS]

  it or is it thing passed on from kid to [TS]

  kid like it's just know when you reach a [TS]

  certain age they learned from their [TS]

  older siblings that you go down there [TS]

  everyone at 3am and check every single [TS]

  car to see if it's open because there [TS]

  might be valuable stuff in there [TS]

  Aurora's adults I don't know anyone that [TS]

  I would just be doing satisfy my [TS]

  curiosity and it was kid what I would do [TS]

  with that information is tell her [TS]

  parents and find them bring this if I [TS]

  knew like oh I know I kid he's down the [TS]

  block i would bring the video to the [TS]

  parents that your son is stealing crap [TS]

  out of my car by the way giving my ipad [TS]

  bag for my ipod back that's worth fifty [TS]

  bucks yeah it's worth less nervous it's [TS]

  the principle you know kids kids you can [TS]

  get in trouble with their parents and [TS]

  you know hoping that they have parents [TS]

  who would care about this or whatever [TS]

  gonna be ever vigilant and honestly like [TS]

  seriously I'm fascinated by the idea [TS]

  that the air [TS]

  I'd such an incredibly frequent interval [TS]

  people are just trying every single car [TS]

  like in the whole neighborhoods are not [TS]

  just trying my one house right like [TS]

  they're going to be girl I mean chances [TS]

  are i think you probably got lucky that [TS]

  they probably aren't going through that [TS]

  frequently i'm guessing this just [TS]

  happened to be the test the data you [TS]

  unlock the car it I it's possible this [TS]

  could be going on every night but i [TS]

  think it's unlikely [TS]

  well I talked about it on slack other [TS]

  people from you know who said i think [TS]

  people with someone from Seattle and [TS]

  then some people from the west coast [TS]

  were saying this is a thing that like [TS]

  people go through neighborhoods and [TS]

  check for open car doors like it is a [TS]

  common low-level easy way to get free [TS]

  stuff without actually committing a real [TS]

  crime you know actually breaking [TS]

  anything you're not actually you know so [TS]

  it seems like I think that is still left [TS]

  I'm you know me but like it or not [TS]

  you're breaking the window it with a [TS]

  rock and then stealing the radios out of [TS]

  the car or you know like a some people [TS]

  have their their transmission gouged out [TS]

  of their car and attempt to like hot [TS]

  wire or whatever like any my brother [TS]

  when he lived in the indeed more [TS]

  downtown areas had his car broken into a [TS]

  few times where they were actually break [TS]

  things on the car from you know [TS]

  thankfully like this is like the most [TS]

  polite to each other all the cars locked [TS]

  like stormtroopers and I hope doors [TS]

  locked move on to the next one not [TS]

  really good trying to find things [TS]

  because obviously you're just like the [TS]

  door if you're hiding there anyway much [TS]

  as I don't want them if they broke my [TS]

  window I would be super pissed right if [TS]

  they just gently opened the the door [TS]

  they didn't close they left although the [TS]

  bins open so I could tell what they had [TS]

  around [TS]

  30 so they didn't even like clean up [TS]

  after themselves but no I'm mostly just [TS]

  curious like morbidly curious like what [TS]

  who is doing the day I mean it would [TS]

  make me feel better if it was kids but [TS]

  the other hand over like all right kid [TS]

  you need to get in trouble [TS]

  yeah but the reality is the reality is [TS]

  like the kind of kid who we go around [TS]

  doing that like chances are even if you [TS]

  told their parents the chance that their [TS]

  parents would a believe you even if you [TS]

  show the video be care and see not just [TS]

  get pissed at you [TS]

  I think I'm pretty low now I think [TS]

  they're pretty high in the neighborhood [TS]

  I'm in because I get it doesn't mean [TS]

  that the kids are doing this have to do [TS]

  it to get money right here just like a [TS]

  prank you know just like a fun thing to [TS]

  do i don't i don't think these kids you [TS]

  need and really serious like if they [TS]

  knew anything about they were they [TS]

  should look at his ipod and throwing it [TS]

  back just like they didn't take the [TS]

  garments piece of crap that's very [TS]

  seriously they're gonna and I think I [TS]

  had upgraded like the latest supported [TS]

  OS so is like incredibly slow you're not [TS]

  going to be happy with that thing you [TS]

  just don't trust me you are your break [TS]

  action finder back on the hood of my car [TS]

  eventually like sorry this is useless [TS]

  you can have it back [TS]

  keep it with your garment you should [TS]

  actually you should have like a honey [TS]

  pot is something something like maybe [TS]

  like have it looks like an ipod touch [TS]

  but is actually an android like you [TS]

  nexus for whatever and like loaded with [TS]

  all sorts of garbage or do you know what [TS]

  I got it make it make it 30 ipod touch [TS]

  but have it only contain the u2 album [TS]

  yeah yeah alright just take oh I I got [TS]

  one of your kindle each day in there as [TS]

  they get a little bit each day if they [TS]

  think they leave the kindle two is that [TS]

  be like this is an ipad look at the [TS]

  screen is an even color I can't even [TS]

  touch it forget it [TS]