Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From RealAFM, this is Connected, episode 22.

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00:00:27 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined today by Mr Federico Vittucci.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Hi Federico.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Hello Myke.

00:00:32 ◼   ► How you doing Federico?

00:00:33 ◼   ► I'm doing well, how are you?

00:00:35 ◼   ► I'm very well, thank you.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Stephen Hackett, hello sir, how are you?

00:00:39 ◼   ► Hello sir, how are you?

00:00:40 ◼   ► I'm good, I considered just carrying on, like just never introducing you, but then I felt

00:00:45 ◼   ► bad about it and changed my mind.

00:00:47 ◼   ► That'd be sad.

00:00:48 ◼   ► I just thought I would just see how far I could go, but...

00:00:50 ◼   ► Why would you skip Stephen?

00:00:52 ◼   ► Just to see what he would do.

00:00:54 ◼   ► He's like your best friend in America, why would you skip him?

00:01:00 ◼   ► Federico, why did you say in America, do you want to be my best friend?

00:01:05 ◼   ► Don't you have like that other guy in the UK that goes out drinking with you?

00:01:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I would, yeah.

00:01:11 ◼   ► Like, you buy stuff together after you've been drinking.

00:01:15 ◼   ► No, Matt lives here most of the time.

00:01:16 ◼   ► You two are my best friends, how about that?

00:01:19 ◼   ► Yeah, nice save, Myke.

00:01:24 ◼   ► I mean it, though.

00:01:25 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, I know.

00:01:26 ◼   ► That got nice and weird.

00:01:30 ◼   ► So, we have a lot of follow-up.

00:01:35 ◼   ► More follow-up, more follow-up.

00:01:38 ◼   ► How can you do like half of an episode be follow-up and then have as much follow-up the next episode?

00:01:44 ◼   ► How is that even possible?

00:01:45 ◼   ► It's been heavy.

00:01:47 ◼   ► There's a lot of follow-up in the air this time of year.

00:01:50 ◼   ► What happens when you do many episodes with a lot of follow-up to each other, like a follow-up combo?

00:01:59 ◼   ► Do you get like a multiplier and you like you hit...

00:02:02 ◼   ► I think so.

00:02:03 ◼   ► Like when you do like five episodes of follow-up on top of each other what happens like Skype explodes.

00:02:10 ◼   ► People stop listening.

00:02:12 ◼   ► Probably.

00:02:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:02:16 ◼   ► So, FU number one Federico is actually your piece of follow-up about your image optimization workflow.

00:02:24 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:02:25 ◼   ► Why don't you tell people what's going on?

00:02:29 ◼   ► So I found this service that actually my web developer sent me a link to this service like last year

00:02:39 ◼   ► and I was like, yeah, I don't want to use a web service for image optimization

00:02:43 ◼   ► I can just use my Mac with image opt-in and of course things, you know changed and

00:02:49 ◼   ► so there's

00:02:51 ◼   ► in the past few weeks have been struggling to come up with a workflow that

00:02:55 ◼   ► involved ImageOptim and my iPhone and my iPad

00:02:59 ◼   ► so I've started using this service called Kraken.io

00:03:04 ◼   ► it is an ImageOptimization

00:03:07 ◼   ► web service so you send images over to

00:03:11 ◼   ► the web to some servers and you don't do

00:03:14 ◼   ► the ImageOptimization locally. Kraken optimizes the images for you

00:03:19 ◼   ► and I started using this for two reasons

00:03:23 ◼   ► One is the API that you can use with Python and the second reason is the integration with

00:03:30 ◼   ► Rackspace Cloud Files. Basically what's really perfect for me is that I can use

00:03:36 ◼   ► DropShare on iOS. It's this app to upload files to the Rackspace CDN and DropShare,

00:03:45 ◼   ► you can use it directly from the Apple Photos app. So I can upload screenshots from photos,

00:03:52 ◼   ► from Pythonista, from Mail, from Messages, from any app that has a sharesheet.

00:03:59 ◼   ► And the DropShare extension gives me a link to the image on Rackspace.

00:04:04 ◼   ► Then when I have the link in the clipboard, I can just go to Pythonista and there's a

00:04:11 ◼   ► script that talks to Kraken.io.

00:04:15 ◼   ► It finds the Rackspace link in the clipboard and without doing any...

00:04:21 ◼   ► I don't have to upload the actual file because Kraken can look at the link that I give to

00:04:27 ◼   ► the service and starting from that link it optimizes the image and it returns another

00:04:33 ◼   ► Rackspace link with the optimized version and it tells me usually how many kilobytes

00:04:39 ◼   ► but sometimes megabytes, basically my savings on the optimized image.

00:04:45 ◼   ► I can choose from two different types of optimization, lossy and lossless.

00:04:51 ◼   ► And basically it's perfect for me.

00:04:55 ◼   ► I can still use DropShare.

00:04:58 ◼   ► Basically DropShare uploads my files to a Rackspace folder which is only used to store

00:05:05 ◼   ► the original untouched version of an image.

00:05:10 ◼   ► So there's no major change in terms of how I upload my image from the Apple Photos app.

00:05:19 ◼   ► The change is the Python script which talks to Kraken.

00:05:24 ◼   ► I'm happy about it because it runs in like 3 or 4 seconds depending on the size of the

00:05:31 ◼   ► image.

00:05:32 ◼   ► It's really fast and it gives me another Rackspace link which I can use, I can put in my text

00:05:38 ◼   ► editor, I can share over email or iMessage, whatever. It's really simple. I'm paying like

00:05:45 ◼   ► $10 per month for 2GB of storage on Kraken. It's been working out very well so far. I'm

00:05:54 ◼   ► saving good money on the Rackspace CDN costs. And yeah, I mean, I'm happy. I have a solution.

00:06:05 ◼   ► At least I've stopped looking for apps or workflows.

00:06:10 ◼   ► It's really simple.

00:06:11 ◼   ► I mean, they have a script on the website.

00:06:14 ◼   ► I just needed to copy and paste the script and it worked right away.

00:06:19 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm saving money and there's no major loss in quality for the screenshots.

00:06:25 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm done.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Hooray!

00:06:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:29 ◼   ► So we have our show notes in two different browsers this week.

00:06:34 ◼   ► This is my favorite String of Follow-Up ever because it just keeps happening.

00:06:38 ◼   ► So tr4656 on Twitter showed connected on a 3DS browser which did something.

00:06:48 ◼   ► It's sort of there.

00:06:49 ◼   ► Do you guys use the browser on your Nintendo products?

00:06:52 ◼   ► It seems like a bad idea.

00:06:53 ◼   ► No, but the new Nintendo 3DS which is coming to places...

00:06:58 ◼   ► Not America.

00:06:59 ◼   ► Well, it kind of is.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Has improved browser was one of the things they said today.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Good job.

00:07:06 ◼   ► Well, actually, I have a confession.

00:07:09 ◼   ► Like last year, I set up a workflow that basically...

00:07:18 ◼   ► So using the Wii U browser, this doesn't happen on the 3DS browser because it's not capable

00:07:25 ◼   ► enough.

00:07:26 ◼   ► I don't know if it's different on the new 3DS.

00:07:28 ◼   ► But on the Wii U browser, you can upload files to websites.

00:07:33 ◼   ► So I had a workflow on my Mac Mini that was monitoring a Dropbox folder for screenshots.

00:07:42 ◼   ► And that was the old workflow that I had.

00:07:46 ◼   ► It would optimize the image using ImageOptima on Mac Mini Colu, and it would upload to Rackspace

00:07:51 ◼   ► and it would give me a Rackspace link.

00:07:55 ◼   ► And I figured out that I could use the Wii U browser to put screenshots in the Dropbox

00:08:01 ◼   ► folder.

00:08:02 ◼   ► So I saved the shortcut to that folder in the Wii U browser that you can give a star

00:08:09 ◼   ► to a webpage.

00:08:11 ◼   ► So I gave a star to the webpage and every time I wanted to get a screenshot from a Wii

00:08:18 ◼   ► U, I would put the file in the Dropbox using the Wii U browser and then on my phone I would

00:08:23 ◼   ► at the the Rock Space Link. I was really really happy about that.

00:08:27 ◼   ► Wow that's a Rube Goldberg machine without a doubt. But it worked!

00:08:33 ◼   ► So yeah hey I'm not here to judge. Jimmy whose name we made fun of a couple weeks ago,

00:08:40 ◼   ► Jimmy Bosset, people said that was too fancy, has now loaded our show notes in

00:08:45 ◼   ► AOL Explorer version 1.1.4234.1043

00:08:51 ◼   ► What is an AOL Explorer?

00:08:56 ◼   ► AOL had their own browser, I mean they had their own application and that application had a browser in it.

00:09:02 ◼   ► I remember AOL for Mac used to be a big problem I dealt with at the Genius Bar because it would destroy people's computers basically.

00:09:09 ◼   ► But it's fine.

00:09:14 ◼   ► AOL, what can you do?

00:09:17 ◼   ► So hot on the heels of covering AOL Explorer, our next piece of follow-up in

00:09:22 ◼   ► breaking technical news is more on the hackintosh front. So Thomas Brand, we

00:09:29 ◼   ► talked about Thomas last week and his hackintosh setup, he's written a kind of

00:09:35 ◼   ► a response piece to our bit of connected on the topic and he kind of has three

00:09:42 ◼   ► reasons why he built a hackintosh the lower price than a Mac desktop the

00:09:47 ◼   ► choice of internal components and case designs a lot of people not you guys

00:09:51 ◼   ► mocked me for wanting to be connected to your hardware but some people that is

00:09:55 ◼   ► important to you and they want to know how like every single little bit works

00:09:58 ◼   ► and then it's a love to tinker with with computer hardware which I think is a is

00:10:02 ◼   ► a out of those three reasons a really solid one of some people just like to

00:10:07 ◼   ► roll their sleeves up and and you know

00:10:09 ◼   ► play with things and so so Thomas wrote

00:10:13 ◼   ► this up you can go check it out on his

00:10:14 ◼   ► his website eggfreckles.net and we got

00:10:18 ◼   ► an email as well from a guy named Phil

00:10:20 ◼   ► who who his 14 year old son has tinkered

00:10:25 ◼   ► and collected desktop computer parts and

00:10:28 ◼   ► like built a hackintosh out of this like

00:10:33 ◼   ► quad-core beige computer which I think

00:10:36 ◼   ► is really cool. Phil points out it's a great way for his son to learn about computers and how they

00:10:40 ◼   ► work. He did say that even though he has Yosemite on it, he's like, "Don't put it to sleep," because

00:10:48 ◼   ► if you put it to sleep, apparently it explodes. But I think it's really great. It's a great way

00:10:53 ◼   ► for kids and young people getting into computers to tinker with stuff. It's something that our

00:11:00 ◼   ► generation, and for this purpose, I'm going to lump you in, lump me in with you guys,

00:11:05 ◼   ► our generation, we didn't really get that as much, especially now. My kids are never going to open

00:11:11 ◼   ► a computer. Well, you can still open a MacBook Air if you want to destroy it.

00:11:18 ◼   ► Yeah. So I think it's great. I think it's a great way for someone like Phil Sun to learn

00:11:23 ◼   ► about how computers work. So it was a heartwarming story to me.

00:11:29 ◼   ► Yeah, really awesome story. And it makes me think of the, not just because it's called Phil,

00:11:34 ◼   ► But just the scene in general, it reminds me of Modern Family.

00:11:40 ◼   ► You guys watched the TV show?

00:11:41 ◼   ► Yep.

00:11:42 ◼   ► I gave up on it.

00:11:43 ◼   ► There's a Phil.

00:11:44 ◼   ► Like I'm picturing Phil from Modern Family watching his son build a Hackintosh.

00:11:49 ◼   ► It's quite amusing to me.

00:11:52 ◼   ► Thank you, Phil, for the follow-up.

00:11:53 ◼   ► Yeah, so I think it's great, and good luck to Phil's son Jack with his Hackintosh.

00:11:59 ◼   ► Hope it doesn't burn your house down.

00:12:01 ◼   ► Did you say that he calls it his Jackintosh, which is awesome?

00:12:04 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, so the kid's son's name is Jack and so he calls it the Jackintosh.

00:12:09 ◼   ► It's so cool.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Pretty funny.

00:12:11 ◼   ► Myke.

00:12:12 ◼   ► Yes.

00:12:13 ◼   ► Michael.

00:12:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:12:15 ◼   ► Myke has a Mykeintosh.

00:12:16 ◼   ► I do.

00:12:17 ◼   ► I do have a Mykeintosh.

00:12:18 ◼   ► A Mykeintosh.

00:12:19 ◼   ► You have a new Mykeintosh.

00:12:22 ◼   ► Let's not talk about the new Mykeintosh for maybe another week.

00:12:26 ◼   ► Maybe another week.

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00:14:30 ◼   ► What do you want to learn in 2015, Myke?

00:14:34 ◼   ► I want to learn how to effectively follow up on podcasts.

00:14:38 ◼   ► I also want to just learn how to not break computers, because I'm really good at that.

00:14:43 ◼   ► You should also learn the proper times when to have lunch, I think.

00:14:48 ◼   ► Yes, Federico, I know, I know.

00:14:51 ◼   ► I had lunch at 4 o'clock today.

00:14:53 ◼   ► Yeah, of course, and you ate pasta, I bet, at 4pm.

00:14:56 ◼   ► No, I had a salad today.

00:14:58 ◼   ► Oh.

00:14:59 ◼   ► But the reason that I record at 4pm... sorry, the reason I ate lunch at 4pm is because I

00:15:04 ◼   ► recorded you at lunchtime.

00:15:08 ◼   ► Which is very early, I'm always shocked when it's like on air, virtual.

00:15:12 ◼   ► Wait, that wasn't lunchtime.

00:15:13 ◼   ► 2, 2.30 is not lunchtime for you, Myke.

00:15:16 ◼   ► Well, I was watching...

00:15:18 ◼   ► Normal people eat at 1pm.

00:15:20 ◼   ► Well, I was watching the Nintendo Direct before that.

00:15:26 ◼   ► I'm skeptical.

00:15:27 ◼   ► Okay, I'm sorry.

00:15:29 ◼   ► It's salad gate.

00:15:33 ◼   ► So FU number four.

00:15:34 ◼   ► FU number four.

00:15:35 ◼   ► I'm not number one anymore?

00:15:40 ◼   ► Alan wrote in to talk about that rumored 12-inch MacBook Air, and his email basically boiled

00:15:47 ◼   ► down to his thoughts on like if this machine is real then Apple is going to

00:15:54 ◼   ► use it as a springboard to launch more and higher quality cloud services like

00:16:02 ◼   ► to support the hardware so that someone was talking about you know there's no

00:16:07 ◼   ► like place to put a USB key in here if you're charging or if you're using your

00:16:11 ◼   ► keyboard and and we were talking about how well maybe like iCloud can supersede

00:16:16 ◼   ► the need for USB jump drives which is ridiculous.

00:16:22 ◼   ► And that's great but I have a couple problems with it.

00:16:27 ◼   ► Like yes things like media or more in the cloud, we've talked about obviously about

00:16:33 ◼   ► photo management but even with Myke and I, us running Relay, it's all in Google Drive

00:16:39 ◼   ► or Evernote.

00:16:40 ◼   ► There's not a single Word document about Relay that's sitting on my desktop, it's

00:16:44 ◼   ► it's all in the cloud.

00:16:46 ◼   ► But that said, a lot of cloud stuff still has local copies.

00:16:51 ◼   ► Like photos.app, when it shows up for the Mac,

00:16:54 ◼   ► will have the ability to download all

00:16:56 ◼   ► or some subset of your photos locally.

00:16:59 ◼   ► iTunes in the cloud, iTunes in the match.

00:17:00 ◼   ► Again, this is about things that are available in the cloud

00:17:02 ◼   ► that I can pull down to my local disk

00:17:03 ◼   ► because I don't always have internet access.

00:17:06 ◼   ► And I don't think 2015 is gonna be the year

00:17:08 ◼   ► where Apple blows that out of the water.

00:17:12 ◼   ► iCloud is more or less what it has been since launch, and yes, I do think it's time for

00:17:17 ◼   ► them to address some things there.

00:17:20 ◼   ► But I don't think that we're moving in...

00:17:22 ◼   ► I don't think this machine is moving us into the world of everything being in the cloud.

00:17:30 ◼   ► It's still OS X, it's not something like Chrome OS.

00:17:33 ◼   ► And I think...

00:17:34 ◼   ► That's what you think.

00:17:35 ◼   ► Yeah, if it runs Chrome OS, I will eat this microphone.

00:17:38 ◼   ► Safari OS.

00:17:39 ◼   ► Oh, it would just crash randomly and be transparent for no reason.

00:17:44 ◼   ► It would have all things centered in the middle, like the bookmarks bar that Steven loves.

00:17:51 ◼   ► God, I hate, hmm, I really dislike this far in Yosemite.

00:17:54 ◼   ► I just hate Chrome more.

00:17:56 ◼   ► What's to hate about Chrome?

00:17:58 ◼   ► Lots of things. Mostly that it destroys your battery life.

00:18:02 ◼   ► The company?

00:18:03 ◼   ► You said the company?

00:18:05 ◼   ► No, I was kidding, I was kidding.

00:18:08 ◼   ► Myke, Myke, don't hate me, Myke, please.

00:18:11 ◼   ► Yeah, you gotta undo that Google tattoo.

00:18:14 ◼   ► I will eat lunch at 4pm with you, Myke.

00:18:18 ◼   ► Don't hate me.

00:18:20 ◼   ► So like, sentences like media is in the cloud aside, I still think that cloud-focused computing

00:18:27 ◼   ► still has two big problems.

00:18:30 ◼   ► One, I think that it has significant issues for a lot of people with bandwidth.

00:18:35 ◼   ► I mean even the three of us like just doing Skype we run into bandwidth issues

00:18:39 ◼   ► I'll be it mostly on y'all's end

00:18:41 ◼   ► But sometimes on my end like very often like how many like I'm sure at least one of us is using LTE right now because your

00:18:48 ◼   ► Bandwidth is not sufficient enough

00:18:50 ◼   ► That's ridiculous and to have like all of my media and everything on the cloud because I don't have a USB port anymore

00:18:56 ◼   ► but my bandwidth isn't very good like I

00:19:01 ◼   ► You know Apple likes to push the bar forward with their hardware, but that's really far. That's a big ask of people

00:19:06 ◼   ► So I don't think that that Allen's dream of 2015 being the year iCloud

00:19:11 ◼   ► You know really becoming robust is not I just don't see that happening. I'd love to be wrong

00:19:17 ◼   ► I'd love for iCloud to get better, but it's it's a slow process and while this machine might be a vision of the

00:19:23 ◼   ► future from Cupertino

00:19:26 ◼   ► Very often like we talked about that future it comes too soon and with too many compromises in the real world. So I

00:19:33 ◼   ► Don't know. Well, what do you say? I have to say that I'm used I told you guys I'm using iCloud photo library

00:19:41 ◼   ► And it's fine

00:19:44 ◼   ► it works like every time I'm surprised when I get home and like I

00:19:50 ◼   ► pick up my iPad and I find all the photos and screenshots that I took on my phone already there.

00:19:56 ◼   ► Also because this year I think I have decent Wi-Fi at home, but that's a different discussion.

00:20:03 ◼   ► Like it works, like it puts all my photos on my iPhone, my iPad. It's the same set of screenshots

00:20:09 ◼   ► I didn't get major problems.

00:20:12 ◼   ► And now I know I will get all the replies in the chat room and on Twitter of people showing me strange errors.

00:20:19 ◼   ► I get that, I know that it's problematic.

00:20:24 ◼   ► It's just for my example, iCloud photos have been working fine.

00:20:32 ◼   ► Now I don't trust iCloud with my files or my work mail.

00:20:37 ◼   ► I use iCloud for calendars, which is also fine.

00:20:40 ◼   ► I used to be an iCloud Reminders user until a few months ago.

00:20:45 ◼   ► I don't use other new parts of iCloud, like iCloud Drive.

00:20:51 ◼   ► But from my experience, iCloud has been getting better.

00:20:56 ◼   ► And in general, I think the web services of Apple have been getting better.

00:21:03 ◼   ► John Gruber yesterday had a post about Siri getting better and faster.

00:21:08 ◼   ► And that's also been my experience for the Italian Siri.

00:21:12 ◼   ► At least the response is they come in much faster than before.

00:21:18 ◼   ► Now I don't know if it's like are we ready for an iCloud OS or a Safari OS, I don't think

00:21:25 ◼   ► we are.

00:21:26 ◼   ► I still don't get the idea of Chromebooks or like using a computer that doesn't have

00:21:33 ◼   ► local stuff, it doesn't make much sense to me.

00:21:36 ◼   ► because when you don't have an internet connection it's going to be a problem.

00:21:43 ◼   ► So I think Chromebooks can work like in the Silicon Valley and other parts of the world

00:21:48 ◼   ► where they can enjoy a reliable and fast internet connection.

00:21:54 ◼   ► You're going to get follow up about this so I'll just tell you.

00:21:58 ◼   ► Chrome OS can store information locally now.

00:22:01 ◼   ► Oh it can?

00:22:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:03 ◼   ► So they changed it.

00:22:04 ◼   ► What kind of information can you store?

00:22:05 ◼   ► what type of thing... it's up to the web app, so like for example Google Docs

00:22:09 ◼   ► you can like, you can write in Google Docs and stuff, like you can do all of

00:22:14 ◼   ► that locally, so you don't have to be connected to the internet to use Google Docs.

00:22:20 ◼   ► I mean it depends on what the apps can use, but there are frameworks to do it,

00:22:24 ◼   ► like there is a local storage and Chromebooks now actually come with some

00:22:27 ◼   ► hard drive space to do that kind of thing.

00:22:29 ◼   ► So can you use a Chromebook to like

00:22:33 ◼   ► download photos and put them on a USB drive.

00:22:36 ◼   ► Les, I'm gonna say yeah.

00:22:38 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:22:39 ◼   ► I'm just gonna say yeah.

00:22:41 ◼   ► Just gonna say yeah.

00:22:42 ◼   ► Just say yes.

00:22:44 ◼   ► I don't know, I can picture my parents using a Chromebook,

00:22:48 ◼   ► but maybe it's just me.

00:22:51 ◼   ► And not necessarily because of my dislike for some things that Google does.

00:22:56 ◼   ► It's just that the idea sounds strange to me.

00:23:01 ◼   ► I don't know and iCalc seems to be getting better now. I know that every year is the year of iCalc getting better

00:23:06 ◼   ► It's like Linux on the desktop

00:23:08 ◼   ► Wow, I don't think it's like that. Um

00:23:10 ◼   ► My thing like as you were talking about yeah, like I'll put my photos in in iCloud, but not my documents like

00:23:17 ◼   ► For me at least like my photos are the most precious files I have and so I trust them to Dropbox

00:23:24 ◼   ► but also trust them to my

00:23:26 ◼   ► ever like

00:23:30 ◼   ► increasingly complicated backup strategy

00:23:32 ◼   ► And and even like just just earlier like I think last week

00:23:36 ◼   ► I wrote this thing about iTunes match which I've used successfully for a long time

00:23:40 ◼   ► And it totally bit the dust for me and had to go in like reset it

00:23:44 ◼   ► And you know it's as annoying as it was to have metadata mixed up on music all of a sudden

00:23:49 ◼   ► And that propagate across all my devices because iTunes match was just sinking things away

00:23:53 ◼   ► That's really problematic if that were to happen in iCloud photos, so I don't trust

00:23:59 ◼   ► Apple or their iCloud service to handle my photos yet because they can't handle

00:24:05 ◼   ► basic things. Like photo management is to me at least one of the most personal

00:24:10 ◼   ► things my my computers do and I don't like Apple has not proven to me that

00:24:16 ◼   ► iCloud can be reliable to deal with simple things like Word documents that

00:24:20 ◼   ► three people edit on a weekly basis let alone thousands of photos. Yeah I don't

00:24:26 ◼   ► think it's fair to compare music management to photo management. I think

00:24:29 ◼   ► it's exactly the same thing it's keeping data in sync between the cloud and local

00:24:32 ◼   ► computers and they can't do it. Those are different things I'm telling you that it

00:24:37 ◼   ► works. And it might work only because there's 15 people using it and it's not

00:24:41 ◼   ► it's only on the browser and iOS like when the Mac app shows up like that is

00:24:48 ◼   ► going to make it increasingly more complicated and I just don't trust them

00:24:52 ◼   ► I think there is a difference between iTunes match and iCloud though because like iTunes match isn't actually taking your music and storing it.

00:25:01 ◼   ► Yes they are.

00:25:02 ◼   ► Not completely, no.

00:25:04 ◼   ► Because a lot of it's coming from the store.

00:25:06 ◼   ► Like you're not actually uploading your music.

00:25:08 ◼   ► I mean I know there is an element of that but the majority of your music is going to be delivered to you via the store.

00:25:13 ◼   ► It feels like a different mechanism.

00:25:15 ◼   ► Or at least it would be stored in a different place.

00:25:17 ◼   ► But like, I mean, but it's still like the same people, the same company built

00:25:22 ◼   ► iTunes match that is building photos in the cloud. Like it's the same, but it's different.

00:25:27 ◼   ► Yes. Yes. Technically it's not the same, but it's, but it's the same poor management of it. Like

00:25:33 ◼   ► it shouldn't matter what the infrastructure is. If Apple knew what they were doing in the cloud

00:25:37 ◼   ► space and clearly they're, they're behind. Um, and you know what, like my iTunes match problem

00:25:44 ◼   ► to be fair to iTunes match started with a local problem and it synced like it

00:25:49 ◼   ► propagated that problem across my devices and my big complaint in my

00:25:52 ◼   ► article was you put the virus into iTunes match yeah that's your fault Steven come on

00:25:57 ◼   ► you're saying that iCloud is bad I God knows what kind of file you're putting into iTunes match

00:26:02 ◼   ► my complaint though is that and this is not going to be any different

00:26:06 ◼   ► it's not any different now in the photos beta of like there is no place for me to

00:26:10 ◼   ► go in my iCloud account and hit a reset button. There's no way to like see

00:26:14 ◼   ► actually what's happening or what is going on because it's all behind the

00:26:20 ◼   ► curtain. Like for me to reset my iTunes match library I had to create a new

00:26:24 ◼   ► local iTunes library and sync it up with iTunes match and basically force

00:26:29 ◼   ► override what iCloud had. Like and nowhere does Apple tell you how to do

00:26:33 ◼   ► that. I thought about it in the shower I was like oh I'll just make a new iTunes

00:26:36 ◼   ► library and resync it.

00:26:37 ◼   ► Normal people are not going to do that when their photos get blown up.

00:26:42 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's not that much different from Dropbox.

00:26:45 ◼   ► There's no reset feature on Dropbox.

00:26:47 ◼   ► But Dropbox, your files are stored locally in Finder, and so you can back them up.

00:26:51 ◼   ► Currently, according to our conversation last week, your photos on iCloud do not exist on

00:26:55 ◼   ► your local computer.

00:26:56 ◼   ► They're just on the web.

00:26:59 ◼   ► That just seems scary to me.

00:27:00 ◼   ► That's all.

00:27:01 ◼   ► We can move on.

00:27:02 ◼   ► Let's get back to the 12-inch map care.

00:27:03 ◼   ► Can we do that?

00:27:04 ◼   ► Let's do that.

00:27:05 ◼   ► So you decided just to move on to the...

00:27:11 ◼   ► I did, I'm deciding just to move on.

00:27:12 ◼   ► It seems like this machine is happening really quickly, like there's rumors that it's already

00:27:16 ◼   ► ramping up production.

00:27:17 ◼   ► I did not expect it to be this fast.

00:27:22 ◼   ► I mean this seems like it's soon, right?

00:27:24 ◼   ► It'd be crazy.

00:27:25 ◼   ► Well, if you believe the rumors.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:27 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I mean this whole conversation is predicated on a machine that doesn't actually

00:27:31 ◼   ► exist yet.

00:27:32 ◼   ► And I feel like many people are sharing these theories on this computer.

00:27:40 ◼   ► No it's going to be the future of the Mac.

00:27:42 ◼   ► No it's going to be the end of the Mac as we know it.

00:27:44 ◼   ► It's going to be the greatest thing ever.

00:27:46 ◼   ► And nobody actually knows what's going to happen.

00:27:49 ◼   ► And people are theorizing and writing articles on pricing and stuff.

00:27:53 ◼   ► They don't know anything about this thing.

00:27:56 ◼   ► Which is kind of dumb to me.

00:27:58 ◼   ► Just to spend this much time on something that maybe in two months is going to be wrong.

00:28:01 ◼   ► completely different. Like it doesn't seem worth it except maybe if your business model

00:28:07 ◼   ► is based on page views and that kind of stuff, then it kind of makes sense. I just think

00:28:12 ◼   ► it's boring to say "yeah, it is going to be this price point" or "it's going to be this

00:28:16 ◼   ► other kind of price point" and you actually don't know. Like there's speculation and speculation,

00:28:22 ◼   ► like you can say with a reasonable amount of doubt that the iPhone 6 was going to be

00:28:27 ◼   ► bigger phone. But this kind of computer, which is, according to the rumor, like completely

00:28:33 ◼   ► different. Just how long can you speculate? You know, I don't know.

00:28:39 ◼   ► Until it comes out, which could be like in four years time, you know.

00:28:44 ◼   ► You don't know. It just seems to me that everybody's saying a different thing and like, who am

00:28:50 ◼   ► Who am I to like, I don't know who's to be trusted here.

00:28:56 ◼   ► What I gotta believe, I don't know.

00:28:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:58 ◼   ► I mean, I think part of this is that it's fun to talk about the future of the Mac.

00:29:02 ◼   ► And I think your page view comment is harsh.

00:29:04 ◼   ► That's very few people actually work on that business model, at least in our circle.

00:29:08 ◼   ► But um...

00:29:09 ◼   ► Very few people?

00:29:10 ◼   ► I can name some.

00:29:11 ◼   ► Are you sure?

00:29:12 ◼   ► In tech blogs?

00:29:13 ◼   ► In tech blogs, very few people.

00:29:14 ◼   ► In tech blogs that I care about, very few.

00:29:18 ◼   ► But what I think it's interesting, I think it is a conversation point because it is so

00:29:22 ◼   ► different from where we are today.

00:29:26 ◼   ► Because it's, I mean, like, clearly, like we talked about, like, one USB port and headphone

00:29:29 ◼   ► jack is crazy pants.

00:29:31 ◼   ► And so that's interesting to think about what that could be.

00:29:33 ◼   ► I mean, we did it last week on the show.

00:29:37 ◼   ► But I think what's interesting is that, like, if this were to be, you know, on sale in quarter

00:29:44 ◼   ► one, we're gonna have the watch in quarter one.

00:29:46 ◼   ► Like this is not shaping up to be, you know, like what's been like the last two or three

00:29:50 ◼   ► years there's been nothing from Apple until the summer.

00:29:53 ◼   ► And it's like they have WFDC and two fall events and that's it.

00:29:56 ◼   ► I mean you go back on this show even two years and it's like we have nothing to talk about

00:30:00 ◼   ► in the spring.

00:30:01 ◼   ► So I for one am excited that Apple's spreading things out a little bit, at least like announcement

00:30:05 ◼   ► wise to bring some stuff out in the spring seems like a good move.

00:30:11 ◼   ► You know, I don't, I think iPhones and iPads will always be new for the holiday, but to

00:30:14 ◼   ► some other stuff get spread out across the calendar is a little bit better I think than

00:30:20 ◼   ► dropping it all at once.

00:30:22 ◼   ► Can I go back to the Chromebook for a moment?

00:30:25 ◼   ► Sure.

00:30:26 ◼   ► A couple of weeks ago you told me for a reason that I don't understand that you wanted to

00:30:33 ◼   ► buy a Chromebook.

00:30:35 ◼   ► So people have this like notion of me that I'm the one that buys things.

00:30:39 ◼   ► Yeah, it's true.

00:30:41 ◼   ► I bought something that I can't share with you guys yet, it's going to be a surprise.

00:30:46 ◼   ► I do have a Chromebook sitting on my desk, this is where this is going.

00:30:53 ◼   ► So I said, so you were like, I'll buy it.

00:30:58 ◼   ► He was like, I want to buy it.

00:30:59 ◼   ► I was like, well, only buy it if you're going to do something with it.

00:31:01 ◼   ► So my challenge to you was that buy it, but use it for a week, only that device.

00:31:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:10 ◼   ► So that is impossible.

00:31:13 ◼   ► But my plan is-- and it's been-- it got here like a week ago

00:31:16 ◼   ► and I haven't done anything with it.

00:31:18 ◼   ► The plan is to do all relay business on it.

00:31:22 ◼   ► I can't make an experiment out of my day job,

00:31:25 ◼   ► but I can in this job.

00:31:26 ◼   ► So I'm going to get it set up and we'll see how it goes.

00:31:31 ◼   ► It'll be interesting to use Chrome OS for a week.

00:31:34 ◼   ► Federico is disappointed in me.

00:31:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I kind of am.

00:31:40 ◼   ► Wow.

00:31:42 ◼   ► Wow.

00:31:43 ◼   ► We should move to something happier.

00:31:44 ◼   ► Do you want to do something happier than--

00:31:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:47 ◼   ► Follow Up 5-- it really should have been the last follow up,

00:31:49 ◼   ► but it's not.

00:31:50 ◼   ► It's the next to last follow up--

00:31:51 ◼   ► is quite possible-- I don't know about you guys,

00:31:54 ◼   ► but the most exciting follow up we've gotten in a long time.

00:31:57 ◼   ► This includes the app that was built out

00:32:00 ◼   ► of a joke on the podcast.

00:32:01 ◼   ► But we have our own comic strip.

00:32:04 ◼   ► We are in a comic strip, guys.

00:32:05 ◼   ► We've made it.

00:32:07 ◼   ► I was very very happy to see this exist. Like this is just so much fun in this. So the comic

00:32:16 ◼   ► strip is basically, it seems to be part one where effectively the three of us are drawn

00:32:23 ◼   ► together to become a mega Apple machine.

00:32:31 ◼   ► Through Skype? Is that where the magic happens? I feel like it is.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Yeah, something like that.

00:32:35 ◼   ► We're getting sucked into our computers.

00:32:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:37 ◼   ► It's not possible, Skype doesn't even work.

00:32:41 ◼   ► How can it do magic?

00:32:43 ◼   ► If it did work, if it did work, then this is what it would do.

00:32:49 ◼   ► I like how Steven is on his bed, probably because he's resting.

00:32:54 ◼   ► Yeah, and I have like a flower on my shelf, like you see that like in nursing homes.

00:32:58 ◼   ► That's it, you're really old!

00:33:01 ◼   ► Yeah, it is.

00:33:03 ◼   ► But Federico's in the bathroom and he has a shower iPad.

00:33:08 ◼   ► I didn't understand.

00:33:09 ◼   ► What's this shower iPad?

00:33:10 ◼   ► Is it like an iPad that I keep in the shower?

00:33:12 ◼   ► Exactly, because you have so many iPads.

00:33:15 ◼   ► I have one.

00:33:16 ◼   ► No, but that's the idea, right?

00:33:18 ◼   ► You're so iOS that you have the iPad in the shower.

00:33:21 ◼   ► It's like the day iPad and the night iPad.

00:33:24 ◼   ► But it seems really impractical to me to keep an iPad at the bottom of the shower.

00:33:28 ◼   ► I would at least create some sort of shelving space to use the item while I'm standing.

00:33:33 ◼   ► I'll move my flower over, you can start there.

00:33:36 ◼   ► So this was created by Steve B, who is now the world's greatest friend of the show.

00:33:43 ◼   ► My favorite part of this whole comic is when it's like the three of us transforming and

00:33:49 ◼   ► it's like with Steven's Mac skills, with Federico's iOS skills, and Myke.

00:33:56 ◼   ► I read that and I just started screaming with laughter.

00:33:59 ◼   ► Oh because you had no skills?

00:34:00 ◼   ► I have no skills.

00:34:01 ◼   ► That's harsh.

00:34:02 ◼   ► Being Myke is your skill.

00:34:06 ◼   ► Yeah it's difficult to be me and to keep this up but I think that I do it pretty well.

00:34:11 ◼   ► I have to say something about the Myke character really looks just like you.

00:34:15 ◼   ► He did a really really good job.

00:34:17 ◼   ► Like out of the three of us you look most like your character.

00:34:20 ◼   ► Yeah, well, it's because I have a very, like, I have a simple face to draw in a cartoon, I think.

00:34:26 ◼   ► You should put glasses and a beard. I think you have a simple face in general.

00:34:30 ◼   ► I don't know how to take that.

00:34:31 ◼   ► Sweet, I have an Italian accent. Every time I read this, I find something else hilarious about it.

00:34:38 ◼   ► Oh, man. So that's in the show notes. Myke?

00:34:42 ◼   ► Yeah. I love how you're on a bet, Stephen, with the film.

00:34:47 ◼   ► Come on!

00:34:49 ◼   ► I think it's because you used to record from a bedroom, and I think...

00:34:54 ◼   ► And you used to record from your daughter's bedroom, though.

00:34:57 ◼   ► So like, you know, it's a deep cut.

00:35:00 ◼   ► Why does Myke have a fancy desk like an office manager?

00:35:04 ◼   ► Me and Steven were in a bathroom and Steven is on a bed.

00:35:08 ◼   ► Because I do have a fancy desk like an office manager.

00:35:10 ◼   ► I have a glass desk here, boy.

00:35:12 ◼   ► This is big business here we've got running.

00:35:16 ◼   ► It's so good.

00:35:18 ◼   ► read the show notes this week. Same place they are every week. No, they're different this week.

00:35:24 ◼   ► It's relay.fm/connected/22. Last week was 21 and the week before that was 20 and next week will be 23.

00:35:32 ◼   ► Wow, our CMS is so logical. So yeah, check out the next comic book. In the end, now the final, we can

00:35:43 ◼   ► come to the end we can close the the book on the burst photo to gif. It only took 40 minutes but

00:35:50 ◼   ► yeah. No I mean like we can close the the book on this long running piece of follow-up that I have

00:35:57 ◼   ► wanted something like this. Now this is an app that Federico first told me about. Oh yeah. It's

00:36:03 ◼   ► called Burstio but I couldn't download it because when I was trying to download it was when Apple

00:36:07 ◼   ► screwed something else up a couple of weeks ago,

00:36:10 ◼   ► where they changed the App Store pricing in the EU,

00:36:14 ◼   ► and for 24 hours, nobody could download anything

00:36:17 ◼   ► on the App Store.

00:36:18 ◼   ► It didn't get a lot of coverage because it wasn't in America,

00:36:22 ◼   ► so it was just an EU problem.

00:36:24 ◼   ► But all EU developers were really upset,

00:36:27 ◼   ► as they should be, because they changed the prices.

00:36:29 ◼   ► They got all the prices wrong, and apps were, in some cases,

00:36:34 ◼   ► 40% more expensive than they should have been,

00:36:36 ◼   ► was what they were showing on the store.

00:36:37 ◼   ► but nobody could buy them anyway.

00:36:39 ◼   ► So I tried to get it and it didn't work.

00:36:43 ◼   ► But then we had a listener, Alex,

00:36:46 ◼   ► wrote in to remind me about this the other day.

00:36:51 ◼   ► They sent for a tweet to tell me,

00:36:53 ◼   ► "Oh, have you found out about this?"

00:36:54 ◼   ► And the app is called Burstio.

00:36:55 ◼   ► - Have you tried the app, Myke?

00:37:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have.

00:37:01 ◼   ► And it works perfectly fine.

00:37:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, it does what you want it.

00:37:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, it takes burst photos

00:37:08 ◼   ► and turns them into a GIF or a movie.

00:37:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, I tried the app yesterday

00:37:12 ◼   ► when I brewed some coffee.

00:37:14 ◼   ► I took a burst photo, what is called a photo session,

00:37:19 ◼   ► whatever, and I used the app to generate a GIF.

00:37:24 ◼   ► The only thing I didn't like is that

00:37:27 ◼   ► it was surprisingly difficult to save a GIF

00:37:31 ◼   ► locally to my photo library,

00:37:34 ◼   ► because I could share the GIF from the app

00:37:38 ◼   ► with the official tweet sheet.

00:37:41 ◼   ► But I wasn't sure that the tweet sheet would pick up

00:37:44 ◼   ► the GIF as a GIF file.

00:37:47 ◼   ► So there was no Save Image option

00:37:50 ◼   ► in the share sheet of the app.

00:37:52 ◼   ► So I needed to email the GIF to myself

00:37:55 ◼   ► and save it back from the Apple Mail app, just to make sure.

00:37:58 ◼   ► Because I wanted to use the Twitter app

00:38:01 ◼   ► to make sure that I would actually share an animated GIF.

00:38:04 ◼   ► This is probably a case of me overthinking stuff.

00:38:09 ◼   ► >>No, I mean, iOS doesn't do a very good job with GIFs.

00:38:12 ◼   ► Like, I'll always find that it does the right thing,

00:38:16 ◼   ► but in the wrong way.

00:38:17 ◼   ► You can copy a GIF, but under certain circumstances,

00:38:20 ◼   ► it doesn't copy it.

00:38:21 ◼   ► It just copies the first frame.

00:38:22 ◼   ► You can save them to the camera roll, but it's weird.

00:38:26 ◼   ► Overall, support seems a little janky for GIFs in iOS.

00:38:29 ◼   ► >> Yeah, that was my problem.

00:38:31 ◼   ► It was just saving the first frame, and I was really upset.

00:38:35 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

00:38:37 ◼   ► >> I even created a workflow on the spot, but it didn't work.

00:38:42 ◼   ► So I was really, really unhappy.

00:38:46 ◼   ► >> Yeah, I think I didn't come across that,

00:38:47 ◼   ► because I just sent it as a message.

00:38:49 ◼   ► I didn't even think to try and save it to the camera roll.

00:38:52 ◼   ► But yeah. >> You sent GIFs as private

00:38:56 ◼   ► messages to people? >> Like iMessages, yeah.

00:38:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, what kind of gifts?

00:39:01 ◼   ► Tell us.

00:39:03 ◼   ► Private gifts.

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00:41:32 ◼   ► Topic zero?

00:41:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:34 ◼   ► So, breaking today, so by the time you hear this, this could all be outdated I guess.

00:41:40 ◼   ► Good way to sell the topic, right?

00:41:44 ◼   ► is reporting that Samsung wants to buy Blackberry. There's a whole bunch of show

00:41:52 ◼   ► notes and you know links in the show notes and whatnot as you might expect

00:41:55 ◼   ► and and I don't really I at least don't really care about the details of the

00:41:58 ◼   ► transaction or in fact there's some people tweeting like right now that

00:42:02 ◼   ► Blackberry says it's not true but they can't comment but then kind of in the

00:42:06 ◼   ► same breath but I think it's interesting to think about why someone would want

00:42:14 ◼   ► to buy BlackBerry. Again, if this is true and people are saying in the chatroom that

00:42:18 ◼   ► it's not, but say that it's true, like what does BlackBerry have to offer?

00:42:21 ◼   ► Let's turn this from a news story into a hypothetical conversation.

00:42:25 ◼   ► It happened as I was saying it.

00:42:26 ◼   ► It's very simple. I don't think this is crazy. I think that buying BlackBerry is a genius

00:42:33 ◼   ► move because BlackBerry is already installed into so many large businesses. It's purely

00:42:39 ◼   ► a case of you buy a BlackBerry, you get the enterprise. Job done. Like if that's a play

00:42:44 ◼   ► you want to make, BlackBerry is a great buy.

00:42:47 ◼   ► People are really still using BlackBerry in enterprise?

00:42:50 ◼   ► Of course they are, man.

00:42:52 ◼   ► Because I thought that was like a myth, like a story.

00:42:56 ◼   ► Massive companies, huge companies, financial companies, law firms, everyone's using BlackBerry.

00:43:01 ◼   ► Because they...

00:43:02 ◼   ► Are they happy with BlackBerry?

00:43:03 ◼   ► Of course they are, because that's what they know, you know? But they've had it for so

00:43:06 ◼   ► so long and it's so entrenched in the business, for as long as BlackBerry is around, they

00:43:10 ◼   ► will continue to be used.

00:43:13 ◼   ► That's really sad, I think.

00:43:16 ◼   ► They're using it because they have to.

00:43:18 ◼   ► Yeah, but Federico, I'm afraid in corporate culture that's how everything is.

00:43:23 ◼   ► You use it because it's what you're told to use, like Windows.

00:43:27 ◼   ► Wow.

00:43:29 ◼   ► That's why I don't work for other people.

00:43:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it makes sense, I guess, for that reason.

00:43:35 ◼   ► So Samsung, if you haven't decided to buy BlackBerry, you should buy BlackBerry.

00:43:39 ◼   ► That's my advice.

00:43:40 ◼   ► And then what are they going to do once they have BlackBerry in the enterprise?

00:43:45 ◼   ► Do they make Samsung phones running BlackBerry OS?

00:43:48 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:43:49 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:43:50 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:43:51 ◼   ► Like, I get it that it can be a good thing, but what's after the acquisition?

00:43:55 ◼   ► Well, Samsung has tried to already make an enterprise play with their product that's

00:43:59 ◼   ► called Knox, which is like a suite of services and solutions and security stuff.

00:44:07 ◼   ► And I don't really think it's taken off.

00:44:10 ◼   ► But clearly it's a place that they have their eye on, but they haven't been able to crack

00:44:17 ◼   ► in because BlackBerry is already there.

00:44:19 ◼   ► So they should buy them, I think.

00:44:21 ◼   ► That's what I'm going to say.

00:44:25 ◼   ► That's the first time that I hear of this name.

00:44:27 ◼   ► Knox.

00:44:28 ◼   ► Yeah, it's KN of X.

00:44:33 ◼   ► Like the app from the 1Password guys.

00:44:36 ◼   ► They have an app called Knox for Mac.

00:44:38 ◼   ► No, I actually think that that's an integration with Samsung.

00:44:42 ◼   ► No, I don't think it is.

00:44:45 ◼   ► No, it's not.

00:44:47 ◼   ► It predates the Samsung stuff by a lifetime.

00:44:49 ◼   ► Well, I can't help you with that then, I'm afraid.

00:44:52 ◼   ► So I mean...

00:44:53 ◼   ► Did you use the Blackberry, Myke?

00:44:56 ◼   ► In your previous job, did you use the Blackberry?

00:44:58 ◼   ► Of course I did.

00:44:59 ◼   ► Really?

00:45:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:01 ◼   ► They still exist for real?

00:45:03 ◼   ► You're trolling me so hard but it frustrates me because...

00:45:05 ◼   ► No, no, no, I swear I'm not.

00:45:06 ◼   ► I swear I'm not my guy.

00:45:07 ◼   ► This is the thing, I know that Federico, that you've never had to have a corporate job so

00:45:13 ◼   ► you don't know the horrors.

00:45:15 ◼   ► But yeah, I did and everyone does.

00:45:17 ◼   ► That's what I'm saying.

00:45:18 ◼   ► BlackBerry is still a huge deal.

00:45:20 ◼   ► We just don't pay any attention to it because they're not doing anything exciting.

00:45:24 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever seen a real Blackberry in my entire life.

00:45:28 ◼   ► Like somebody using a Blackberry.

00:45:29 ◼   ► Even when you were a teenager?

00:45:30 ◼   ► No, never.

00:45:31 ◼   ► Because when I was a teenager, everybody had Blackberry.

00:45:34 ◼   ► No, we had Nokia phones.

00:45:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess that.

00:45:37 ◼   ► And then the iPhone.

00:45:38 ◼   ► Yeah, this is before iPhone though.

00:45:41 ◼   ► I mean, it was Nokia and Blackberry, that's what everybody had here.

00:45:43 ◼   ► You either had one or the other.

00:45:45 ◼   ► And a lot of teenagers had Blackberries because of Blackberry Messenger.

00:45:48 ◼   ► I swear, I'm not trolling, Myke.

00:45:51 ◼   ► I'm just struggling to understand because I read of all of this golden age of Blackberry

00:45:56 ◼   ► and BBM and that kind of stuff.

00:45:59 ◼   ► In my personal experience here, I never had friends talking about this magic called BBM

00:46:05 ◼   ► or Blackberries.

00:46:06 ◼   ► It was like I saw them in the movies and that was it.

00:46:10 ◼   ► Yeah, because Blackberry's consumer days are over, but their enterprise days are far from,

00:46:17 ◼   ► I think.

00:46:18 ◼   ► the idea of like the bring your own device stuff which you've spoken about

00:46:22 ◼   ► before but it's in big companies these big organizations it takes a lot to push

00:46:31 ◼   ► that wheel around so Blackberry is gonna be around for a while like

00:46:36 ◼   ► Blackberry has to fail as a company like they have to like just crumble and once

00:46:41 ◼   ► that happens and then hands are forced until that point like as long as they

00:46:45 ◼   ► continue to live then a lot of companies will continue to use them for a long time.

00:46:51 ◼   ► I understand Myke, thank you.

00:46:53 ◼   ► I know it's, I agree with you like we don't see it right because nobody talks about it

00:46:58 ◼   ► anymore.

00:46:59 ◼   ► No never, yeah.

00:47:00 ◼   ► Yeah most of the time people are joking about it.

00:47:03 ◼   ► Yeah exactly.

00:47:04 ◼   ► So it's easy to think that they don't kind of exist.

00:47:09 ◼   ► It's like Microsoft right you know like people have always said like Microsoft is irrelevant

00:47:12 ◼   ► Microsoft's failing but they still make a gajillion dollars.

00:47:16 ◼   ► Yeah, that one I get because I know people who use Office and

00:47:21 ◼   ► all the other like the Xbox and other Microsoft stuff. Just Blackberry I

00:47:25 ◼   ► struggled and probably also because I never had any sort of contact with

00:47:30 ◼   ► enterprise kind of work so it's really difficult for me because it's really not

00:47:36 ◼   ► me, you know, it's like the opposite of me.

00:47:41 ◼   ► You are like the opposite of Blackberry.

00:47:43 ◼   ► I am. I think I should be happy about that.

00:47:47 ◼   ► But yeah.

00:47:49 ◼   ► Let's talk about some less real news.

00:47:53 ◼   ► There's just no real news today.

00:47:55 ◼   ► An Apple Watch app.

00:47:57 ◼   ► So this has come out in 8.2.

00:48:01 ◼   ► There was originally, like, there was, you could see that there was in the settings,

00:48:06 ◼   ► settings, there was like hooks into an Apple Watch app in the 8.2 beta. Again, 9 to 5 grabbed

00:48:13 ◼   ► this and then they also grabbed with the help of Steve Trout and Smith screens of what the

00:48:19 ◼   ► actual functionality of the app would be. Have you guys seen this?

00:48:25 ◼   ► >> Yep. Yep.

00:48:27 ◼   ► >> So basically everything in here is kind of what you'd expect. You've got the functionality

00:48:35 ◼   ► to create your own layout, so you can on the phone organize the layout of how your watch

00:48:42 ◼   ► apps will be presented in that crazy grid that they've got, which probably would be

00:48:47 ◼   ► way easier to do on the phone than to try and do it on the watch, I'm just going to

00:48:51 ◼   ► say.

00:48:52 ◼   ► You've got different functions, so how you want to choose to have your time displayed,

00:48:58 ◼   ► how you want to see push notifications that can give you a little red badge that can appear

00:49:01 ◼   ► on the watch face.

00:49:02 ◼   ► Apparently there's support for a monogram,

00:49:04 ◼   ► which is quite nice, so you can have a little stamp

00:49:06 ◼   ► of up to one to four letters on the watch face.

00:49:09 ◼   ► You can choose if you want to have voiceover enabled

00:49:14 ◼   ► for some apps and there's some accessibility options,

00:49:16 ◼   ► and a passcode, which I can't fully understand.

00:49:20 ◼   ► I assume that it's like to see any information, right?

00:49:23 ◼   ► I can't imagine you see the time,

00:49:24 ◼   ► and it's like before you can see the time

00:49:25 ◼   ► into this six digit passcode.

00:49:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, I bet it's after the time,

00:49:28 ◼   ► or like, you know, pass under the time,

00:49:32 ◼   ► I guess under the time, because it's very confusing.

00:49:35 ◼   ► I don't know what dimension the watch is in.

00:49:37 ◼   ► - You need to see one of those Johnny Ive exploded layouts

00:49:39 ◼   ► of all of the UI elements. - Exactly.

00:49:41 ◼   ► - Like a web. - Exactly.

00:49:42 ◼   ► - I'm already imagining Casey using emoji as a monogram

00:49:47 ◼   ► on the Apple Watch Lock screen.

00:49:49 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah,

00:49:50 ◼   ► he totally would do that.

00:49:51 ◼   ► Casey's gonna go crazy with those like,

00:49:54 ◼   ► those animated emoji. - Animated emoji.

00:49:56 ◼   ► - It's gonna be like a whole different world for him.

00:49:58 ◼   ► Yeah, they're super creepy looking, right?

00:50:00 ◼   ► Like the hands?

00:50:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:50:02 ◼   ► I rewatched some of that stuff, and it's like, what?

00:50:04 ◼   ► Why is a hand moving around?

00:50:06 ◼   ► I kind of don't like that you have

00:50:08 ◼   ► to poke the guy in the face to create the gestures.

00:50:13 ◼   ► It reminds me of in Mario 64, the floating Mario head,

00:50:17 ◼   ► and you could grab his nose and drag it out.

00:50:19 ◼   ► Oh my god, Steven.

00:50:21 ◼   ► Yeah, awesome reference, man.

00:50:23 ◼   ► Video game reference.

00:50:23 ◼   ► Wow.

00:50:24 ◼   ► Wow.

00:50:25 ◼   ► I stamp that.

00:50:27 ◼   ► The chat room points out that it's a pin number for Apple Pay

00:50:29 ◼   ► as well.

00:50:30 ◼   ► So--

00:50:31 ◼   ► Yeah, that makes sense.

00:50:33 ◼   ► So I mean, really, I think what's interesting here,

00:50:37 ◼   ► even though it's not necessarily shocking,

00:50:39 ◼   ► is that there's going to be a helper app on the watch where

00:50:43 ◼   ► you manage a bunch of this stuff.

00:50:45 ◼   ► And again, that's like the Pebble.

00:50:46 ◼   ► It has that, where you can load in watch faces and apps,

00:50:49 ◼   ► and you can do various things.

00:50:53 ◼   ► But Myke, we sent a question to you

00:50:55 ◼   ► earlier this week of how does Android Wear work?

00:50:59 ◼   ► Does it have a standalone app?

00:51:00 ◼   ► Is this pretty common with smartwatches

00:51:02 ◼   ► or is this something that just Apple and Pebble are doing?

00:51:06 ◼   ► - So I have unearthed my LG G Watch

00:51:09 ◼   ► from the depths of the gadget drawer

00:51:13 ◼   ► and charged it up this week

00:51:15 ◼   ► so I could bring you this late-breaking news.

00:51:18 ◼   ► I do have a couple of very quick sidebars

00:51:21 ◼   ► before I talk about the companion app.

00:51:24 ◼   ► Android is very pretty now.

00:51:25 ◼   ► Like the L stuff is very attractive to look at.

00:51:30 ◼   ► I like it a lot.

00:51:31 ◼   ► I want to play around a little bit more with it

00:51:34 ◼   ► because it is a very attractive operating system, I think.

00:51:37 ◼   ► It's to my tastes anyway.

00:51:39 ◼   ► I like a lot of the animations that it has.

00:51:41 ◼   ► It all works very smoothly and it looks very nice.

00:51:43 ◼   ► I just think that Android right now is looking pretty good.

00:51:49 ◼   ► There's also now a lot more apps

00:51:53 ◼   ► for the Android Wear in the store,

00:51:56 ◼   ► then there were the last time that I checked,

00:51:57 ◼   ► as well as customizable watch faces now.

00:52:00 ◼   ► Like for example, there is a Pac-Man watch face, Federico.

00:52:04 ◼   ► That you can have. - Pac-Man?

00:52:05 ◼   ► Is it an official one or made by some guy?

00:52:08 ◼   ► - Official Namco.

00:52:09 ◼   ► - Oh, nice.

00:52:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, there's loads of different ones.

00:52:14 ◼   ► There are a lot of--

00:52:15 ◼   ► - Did you download it?

00:52:16 ◼   ► - I haven't yet.

00:52:17 ◼   ► I haven't, but I will actually.

00:52:20 ◼   ► a lot of the watch faces and stuff are made for the circular...

00:52:24 ◼   ► I mean they work on the square but like all the promotional images are for the circular

00:52:29 ◼   ► watches because the circular watches look better than the square watches.

00:52:36 ◼   ► So can I ask you a question real quickly Myke?

00:52:38 ◼   ► Yeah man.

00:52:39 ◼   ► Can you... this is gonna sound stupid because I cannot remember...

00:52:43 ◼   ► Can you use an Android Wear device with an iPhone?

00:52:45 ◼   ► No you can't no.

00:52:47 ◼   ► Okay.

00:52:48 ◼   ► ask that question because like pebble but no Android Wear only works with

00:52:52 ◼   ► Android devices. Okay so let me talk about the companion app so you download

00:53:00 ◼   ► the app from the App Store or from the Google Play Store and that is the app

00:53:06 ◼   ► that allows you to connect the watch to your phone and then it kind of it pulls

00:53:13 ◼   ► in some information so it knows that I have an LGG watch and it shows me a

00:53:16 ◼   ► little promotional banner for some reason that I don't understand but

00:53:20 ◼   ► that's there. So this is where the I guess kind of the customization and the

00:53:27 ◼   ► beauty of Android can can be of a benefit so for example on the main

00:53:32 ◼   ► screen you have a couple of things you have watch faces which I explained you

00:53:34 ◼   ► can choose from the watch faces that are pre-installed on the device you can also

00:53:38 ◼   ► change them on the device but you can you can choose them in on the companion

00:53:41 ◼   ► app or you can download more but then you have a heading called voice actions

00:53:45 ◼   ► and then a list of different things.

00:53:47 ◼   ► So you've got Agenda, Navigate, Play Music, Setter Timer,

00:53:50 ◼   ► and these are all of the voice commands that you can give

00:53:53 ◼   ► to the Android Wear device.

00:53:56 ◼   ► But what you can then do is, for example,

00:53:57 ◼   ► you can select Play Music,

00:54:01 ◼   ► and then it will say, "What do you want to happen

00:54:04 ◼   ► when you say Play Music?

00:54:06 ◼   ► Do you want to open iTunes-- sorry, Spotify?

00:54:10 ◼   ► Do you want to open Google Play?

00:54:11 ◼   ► Do you want to open audio?"

00:54:13 ◼   ► Like, so you can choose from the apps

00:54:15 ◼   ► that you have installed, so when you say that stuff,

00:54:18 ◼   ► what will it allow you to do?

00:54:19 ◼   ► Right, which is a very Android feeling.

00:54:22 ◼   ► Like, even things like Navigate,

00:54:24 ◼   ► which would be to open Google Maps,

00:54:26 ◼   ► you can choose if you wanna open Google Maps

00:54:28 ◼   ► or another map app.

00:54:29 ◼   ► So you can go in and like, even things like Start Stopwatch,

00:54:32 ◼   ► do you wanna open the official Stopwatch app,

00:54:34 ◼   ► or do you wanna use a downloaded Stopwatch app?

00:54:37 ◼   ► So that was quite cool, 'cause you can go in

00:54:38 ◼   ► and you can kinda customize those voice actions

00:54:41 ◼   ► to be your own.

00:54:42 ◼   ► I would expect there might be, if I get any of that with the Apple Watch, I would be surprised.

00:54:49 ◼   ► If I say like, "Open the calendar," they're just going to open the calendar, right?

00:54:52 ◼   ► I'm not going to be able to open Fantastic Cal with that.

00:54:55 ◼   ► I'd be very surprised if I was able to.

00:55:00 ◼   ► You can also get some granular notification stuff.

00:55:03 ◼   ► So you're able to go in and you can go into the settings and block app notifications.

00:55:09 ◼   ► you can go in here and select which apps do you not want to notify you. Now, so you

00:55:16 ◼   ► press the plus button and it brings up all of the applications that you have

00:55:18 ◼   ► and you can choose it. However, in this list I have things like Android Work

00:55:23 ◼   ► Assistant, I have Captive Portal Logon, Certificate Installer, Config Updater,

00:55:29 ◼   ► like these are options, like this is the problem with Android, like what does this

00:55:34 ◼   ► mean and why am I seeing it? I shouldn't be able to block the config updater

00:55:40 ◼   ► and if I should don't call it that. What's a config updater? I assume it's

00:55:46 ◼   ► updating the config? I don't know.

00:55:49 ◼   ► Everybody knows you gotta update the config, man. Just in case as well the

00:55:58 ◼   ► Google Hindi input keyboard might notify me of something I can also block it out

00:56:02 ◼   ► from doing that too. That's good. I really like basic daydreams as an option that you

00:56:06 ◼   ► listed. Yep, basic daydreams. I can block basic daydreams. That'd probably be good.

00:56:10 ◼   ► It'd be good for me in real life. Nope, not allowed. It's just like seriously, Google,

00:56:16 ◼   ► you're just so close. But so far. And they also have a watch battery screen as well

00:56:22 ◼   ► so you can see what is taking the battery. Like, you know, you get like the

00:56:26 ◼   ► usage stuff on the Android phones and on the iPhone. But that's gonna be fundamentally

00:56:31 ◼   ► different on the watch because the watch is not really running very much.

00:56:34 ◼   ► Exactly so you get the you get to see... Not that Apple would expose that but

00:56:38 ◼   ► it's not like if your watch wears down by 3 p.m. you can't go in there and say

00:56:42 ◼   ► say you know that it's this thing or that thing I guess you can do that on

00:56:46 ◼   ► iOS 8 now but it's not super helpful like it is like androids is pretty great

00:56:51 ◼   ► yeah and all that sort of stuff and it also can give you a breakdown of what is

00:56:56 ◼   ► stored on your watch as well so on the internal memory of the watch what is

00:57:00 ◼   ► there as well. So you can also do things like, I mean the Android Wear

00:57:05 ◼   ► platform and some other stuff, so you can have it so if you're close to your phone

00:57:09 ◼   ► you don't need to use your unlock code if you want to, you can set that up and

00:57:15 ◼   ► you can also have it so if they're close to each other and this uses Bluetooth of

00:57:19 ◼   ► course to not even show any notifications on the phone at all, only

00:57:24 ◼   ► show them on the watch. So there you go, so that's some stuff.

00:57:27 ◼   ► Can I ask you a serious question without trolling?

00:57:31 ◼   ► Yes, please ask me.

00:57:33 ◼   ► Would you consider switching to Android?

00:57:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I did it before.

00:57:41 ◼   ► And I'll do it again!

00:57:43 ◼   ► It's just the apps.

00:57:45 ◼   ► Some of the apps that I have on my iPhone prevent me from switching to Android.

00:57:50 ◼   ► Because there are things about Android that I genuinely like and have liked.

00:57:55 ◼   ► and when I use it and it's just like, you know,

00:57:58 ◼   ► if you wanna get this thing to this app, right,

00:58:03 ◼   ► so you're in the Photos app

00:58:05 ◼   ► and you wanna post it to another app,

00:58:07 ◼   ► it's so much easier to do than it is still on the iPhone

00:58:12 ◼   ► because all of these apps just talk to each other.

00:58:15 ◼   ► I don't know how it's done

00:58:15 ◼   ► but they all just seem to be able to do that.

00:58:18 ◼   ► So there are a lot of things

00:58:21 ◼   ► that I do really like about it

00:58:23 ◼   ► but there are apps like OmniFocus,

00:58:28 ◼   ► because even the Twitter app

00:58:30 ◼   ► is not so much of a problem anymore.

00:58:32 ◼   ► There's an app that I always loved called FalconPro,

00:58:35 ◼   ► and they've just--

00:58:35 ◼   ► - Oh, I saw the Falcon 3.

00:58:37 ◼   ► - It's fantastic.

00:58:40 ◼   ► FalconPro is a great app anyway,

00:58:42 ◼   ► but FalconPro 3 looks just superb.

00:58:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I saw the video, it looked really nice.

00:58:49 ◼   ► - So I'm going to put some images in the show notes

00:58:53 ◼   ► to show you some screenshots.

00:58:55 ◼   ► So if you want to see Active Daydream,

00:58:57 ◼   ► you can see that for yourself as well.

00:59:00 ◼   ► So they're all there for you to peruse if you would like to.

00:59:04 ◼   ► Do you have any other questions, guys?

00:59:08 ◼   ► I was going to say I agree with you that Android is pretty.

00:59:12 ◼   ► Like, they've come a long way in the design front.

00:59:14 ◼   ► And I, like you, sometimes I think

00:59:16 ◼   ► about using Android for a while.

00:59:19 ◼   ► It's the apps that trip me up.

00:59:20 ◼   ► And it's not that apps on Android haven't gotten good.

00:59:23 ◼   ► A lot of them have.

00:59:24 ◼   ► There's a lot of really great apps on Android these days.

00:59:26 ◼   ► But it's just the ones that I want to use have a tendency

00:59:30 ◼   ► to be iOS and Mac only.

00:59:31 ◼   ► So things like OmniFocus or Overcast or things like that.

00:59:35 ◼   ► I guess there are alternatives.

00:59:37 ◼   ► And many times, the alternatives are really good on Android.

00:59:40 ◼   ► But I like where I am and don't want

00:59:43 ◼   ► to move everything out of OmniFocus

00:59:45 ◼   ► to do is just to use Android for six weeks.

00:59:49 ◼   ► Yep, I get it.

00:59:51 ◼   ► Yep, I'm gonna switch to Android, guys.

00:59:55 ◼   ► Breaking news!

00:59:57 ◼   ► Since that episode where you said about if editorial moved,

01:00:02 ◼   ► I've more than once considered how much money would I have to pay Ole.

01:00:07 ◼   ► You know? To get him to move it. Just to see what you would actually do.

01:00:15 ◼   ► Wow. Would you really do that?

01:00:17 ◼   ► No, because it would be more money than I'd be prepared to spend.

01:00:20 ◼   ► Although now I think, in hindsight, that I should have just got him to play a prank on you.

01:00:26 ◼   ► I should have done that instead.

01:00:28 ◼   ► Wow.

01:00:29 ◼   ► Why do you want to do this to me?

01:00:33 ◼   ► I just feel like, you know, I need to...

01:00:35 ◼   ► Why do you take satisfaction into seeing me suffer?

01:00:38 ◼   ► I just want to check, you know, I just want to see to what ends you will go for the app that you love so much.

01:00:46 ◼   ► No, you have no idea.

01:00:49 ◼   ► I mean, I gotta pay my rent, Myke.

01:00:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm gonna find out how much it will cost.

01:00:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:00:56 ◼   ► Is that how development works?

01:00:58 ◼   ► Yeah, how much will it cost?

01:01:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:01 ◼   ► That's my understanding.

01:01:01 ◼   ► Just go to the guy and say, "Yeah, I want to buy your app.

01:01:05 ◼   ► I'm a VC, I want to acquire your app."

01:01:10 ◼   ► That's all it takes, right?

01:01:13 ◼   ► you can make the official Real AFM taxator.

01:01:17 ◼   ► - I would love a Real AFM taxator.

01:01:18 ◼   ► - For sure not.

01:01:20 ◼   ► Just workflows for sure not.

01:01:22 ◼   ► - That would be good. - Done, done.

01:01:23 ◼   ► (laughing)

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01:03:38 ◼   ► So I wanted to update you guys on my status report with trying NewsBlur, the RSS reader.

01:03:49 ◼   ► And in the process, I wanted to ask you a couple of RSS questions, if you don't mind.

01:03:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:54 ◼   ► So it turns out that I'm really, really happy with NewsBlur so far,

01:04:00 ◼   ► And it's really grown on me in the past week.

01:04:04 ◼   ► So what I didn't do last week that I did over the past seven

01:04:09 ◼   ► days is I read the FAQ section on the website.

01:04:15 ◼   ► And so I learned a couple of neat tricks

01:04:18 ◼   ► that I didn't know.

01:04:19 ◼   ► And I started using the training intensively.

01:04:24 ◼   ► So on NewsBlur, you can train the feed reader

01:04:28 ◼   ► to hide stories that you don't care about.

01:04:33 ◼   ► And you can also do the opposite, you can train the reader to focus on stories and topics

01:04:39 ◼   ► that you are interested in.

01:04:43 ◼   ► So what I did is I selected a bunch of stuff that I don't care about, like lawsuits or

01:04:51 ◼   ► like when there was some kind of a car show in the past week, like some tech blogs were

01:04:58 ◼   ► writing about cars.

01:05:00 ◼   ► And I mean, I'm no ATP, right?

01:05:03 ◼   ► I don't care about this stuff.

01:05:06 ◼   ► So I just selected some keywords like Ford and Nissan and that kind of stuff I don't

01:05:13 ◼   ► want to see.

01:05:15 ◼   ► So other topics included Samsung and what else?

01:05:20 ◼   ► I think at some point I blocked a keyword for another TV show that I didn't care about.

01:05:26 ◼   ► And I also did the opposite with stuff that I like.

01:05:29 ◼   ► So I promoted Apple, Google, iPhone, Android, because I still liked to be informed about

01:05:34 ◼   ► Android.

01:05:35 ◼   ► I promoted Better Call Saul, which is an upcoming TV show.

01:05:39 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:40 ◼   ► Some video-- yes.

01:05:41 ◼   ► I know, right?

01:05:42 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:43 ◼   ► So much yes.

01:05:44 ◼   ► I promoted some video game stuff, so Nintendo, Sony, that kind of keywords.

01:05:49 ◼   ► And what is really nice about NewsBlur is that there is a train menu.

01:05:54 ◼   ► So every time you're reading an article, you can say "I like this specific author from

01:05:59 ◼   ► this website".

01:06:00 ◼   ► So for example, on Six Colors I can say "I like posts from Jason Snell".

01:06:07 ◼   ► So every time you recognize an article from Jason Snell, promote that kind of content

01:06:13 ◼   ► in the feed reader.

01:06:15 ◼   ► Or I can go to Mac stories, or... no, not Mac stories, because it's my own website,

01:06:19 ◼   ► that would be creepy.

01:06:20 ◼   ► I can go to the Verge and say, using these tags, so the feed reader is capable of looking

01:06:29 ◼   ► into the article tags, and say, I want to know more about, I don't know, Nintendo 3DS,

01:06:35 ◼   ► but not about the Nintendo Wii U, looking at the tags.

01:06:39 ◼   ► Or I can say, I want to know everything from this publisher, so an entire website.

01:06:44 ◼   ► Or what's even more impressive is that you can use just text in the article title.

01:06:50 ◼   ► You just select text.

01:06:52 ◼   ► So for instance, I selected keywords in the title, like the name of the car show that

01:06:59 ◼   ► I don't remember.

01:07:01 ◼   ► The Detroit Auto Show?

01:07:04 ◼   ► Yeah, probably.

01:07:06 ◼   ► Yeah, Detroit Auto Show.

01:07:07 ◼   ► That was the three words that I selected.

01:07:11 ◼   ► And there was other stuff in article titles that I either like or don't like.

01:07:17 ◼   ► So there's two buttons that you use.

01:07:19 ◼   ► One is "Hide" with the thumbs down and the other is "Focus" with the thumbs up, using

01:07:23 ◼   ► emoji, so Casey would be proud.

01:07:26 ◼   ► And basically, I did this like five or six days ago and I kept training the reader.

01:07:36 ◼   ► So every morning when I wake up or maybe after a couple of hours that I haven't checked my

01:07:40 ◼   ► my erosys reader, I go to NewsBlur and at the bottom of the app there's a tap bar.

01:07:47 ◼   ► You can switch from old stories to unread and focus.

01:07:52 ◼   ► Focus mode, it's got a green dot and it shows you every story that you have told the app

01:08:02 ◼   ► that is important to you.

01:08:04 ◼   ► I think this is handy when I go back to NewsBlur after a few hours and I just want to see

01:08:10 ◼   ► like WhatsApp in terms of what's cool and new and just don't give me the stuff that

01:08:18 ◼   ► I don't think is super important to me.

01:08:20 ◼   ► I can go there and find the most important stories for me and from what I've seen so

01:08:26 ◼   ► far I think the feed training mechanism is really accurate and I think it keeps getting

01:08:34 ◼   ► better over time, and at least this is also what the FAQ said, it will get better based

01:08:41 ◼   ► on what you read, what you train the feed reader to do, and it's also capable of not

01:08:49 ◼   ► showing you duplicate stories.

01:08:53 ◼   ► And the opposite also works as well, I don't want to see certain topics, I will never see

01:08:58 ◼   ► those topics again, so that was really nice.

01:09:01 ◼   ► I've been using search, I told you guys it was really fast, and in the past week there's

01:09:07 ◼   ► been a couple of times that I needed to find an article again, I used search on the NewsBlur

01:09:13 ◼   ► app for iPhone and iPad, and it found those topics that I needed to find in the articles,

01:09:19 ◼   ► like in two seconds.

01:09:21 ◼   ► That was really impressive and useful.

01:09:24 ◼   ► And in general, I've noticed that the app is really fast, because it uses this prefetching

01:09:30 ◼   ► feature that, for instance, just a few minutes ago I posted my review on Maxories and after

01:09:39 ◼   ► a minute it was up on newsblur.

01:09:43 ◼   ► I don't know, I think it refreshes the RSS feed.

01:09:52 ◼   ► Depending on the popularity of a website, I'm not sure, but for Maxories it's really

01:09:57 ◼   ► fast and for other websites like The Virgin, during Fireball, it's also very fast.

01:10:02 ◼   ► So it's probably something like pocketcasts, like how often they refresh certain websites.

01:10:09 ◼   ► But in general it's really fast and when you refresh the iOS app, all the articles come

01:10:13 ◼   ► in in like two seconds.

01:10:15 ◼   ► So I've been really impressed.

01:10:16 ◼   ► But I've been thinking about, especially the training and the filters.

01:10:23 ◼   ► So what I wanted to ask you after this consideration, because you see how, and I think that Myke

01:10:28 ◼   ► knows especially, when we talk on virtual about like, like how, like sometimes I think

01:10:34 ◼   ► strange, I think about strange topics, like I go on different tangents and I end up in

01:10:41 ◼   ► weird places with my thoughts.

01:10:43 ◼   ► And I mean that Myke knows because of the Minecraft spider.

01:10:46 ◼   ► Yeah, just eat those eyeballs buddy.

01:10:49 ◼   ► Or the rogue legacy stuff.

01:10:53 ◼   ► So I've been thinking, like filtering RSS, right?

01:10:58 ◼   ► Because I'm treating RSS like basically a file system.

01:11:02 ◼   ► So it's a file system for news.

01:11:05 ◼   ► So in theory, I should be able to see everything, because a file system, like, for instance,

01:11:10 ◼   ► when I open my Finder on my Mac, those few times that I do, I see all my files.

01:11:17 ◼   ► You know, unless I decide to do a search or stuff like that.

01:11:21 ◼   ► So instead I'm treating RSS in NewsBlur like some sort of tweetbot filters where I select

01:11:29 ◼   ► topics that I don't want to see.

01:11:31 ◼   ► And that's kind of new to me because I never did this stuff in RSS before.

01:11:36 ◼   ► I tried Fever a few years ago, the RSS service that lets you set up your own RSS application

01:11:44 ◼   ► on your own server and it lets you read topics based on popularity.

01:11:49 ◼   ► But that's different.

01:11:51 ◼   ► Because here, I'm basically like Tweetbot filters, I can select topics and stuff that

01:11:56 ◼   ► I don't want to see and I don't see that stuff again.

01:11:59 ◼   ► So is this just me?

01:12:01 ◼   ► Because I think this is really new and exciting for me.

01:12:04 ◼   ► And like, NewsBuilder is giving me a different perspective on RSS in the post-Google reader

01:12:10 ◼   ► age.

01:12:12 ◼   ► And I know that RSS is not sexy.

01:12:15 ◼   ► I mean that it's something for geeks, right?

01:12:20 ◼   ► There are different services, but they're not really trying to revolutionize RSS, they're

01:12:24 ◼   ► just trying to survive and every once in a while they launch a new feature.

01:12:28 ◼   ► And Niezblur is really different.

01:12:31 ◼   ► And it made me think about RSS and filters and that kind of stuff and Twitter lists,

01:12:37 ◼   ► whether I should be using Twitter lists less because Twitter doesn't care.

01:12:42 ◼   ► So I know that Myke, you told me that you stopped using RSS a while ago.

01:12:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I kind of brought it back, but it looked very limited, and I check it maybe once every

01:12:53 ◼   ► couple of weeks.

01:12:55 ◼   ► So I wanted to know from Steven first, because he seems to me more of an RSS guy in general.

01:13:01 ◼   ► Definitely.

01:13:02 ◼   ► Steven, tell me about RSS and the way you use them, because I need to know if I'm allowing

01:13:07 ◼   ► this, if maybe it's just some placebo effect that I'm having here, because NewsBlur is new.

01:13:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean my RSS usage has been really consistent before and after the

01:13:18 ◼   ► Google Reader shutdown.

01:13:19 ◼   ► I do have a Twitter list that I called "RSS is dead" and that has you know

01:13:26 ◼   ► blogs that follow you know a lot of almost every website just tweets

01:13:29 ◼   ► headlines as they come out and I do check that occasionally. I've gotten it a

01:13:33 ◼   ► nuzzle some since we've talked about on the show Federico introduced me to it

01:13:38 ◼   ► But overall I still use RSS pretty heavily. Maybe even more so now that I

01:13:45 ◼   ► follow more people on Twitter and Twitter's gotten noisier. So you know I

01:13:49 ◼   ► use Feedbin and I use Reader and Unread as my clients and I've got folders in

01:13:55 ◼   ► there by topic and I do I do have talking about the filtering I have a

01:14:00 ◼   ► little bit of filter well I have a folder that I always look at everything

01:14:05 ◼   ► in there I call it writers and it's basically just people who I want to see

01:14:09 ◼   ► everything that they publish and you know it's guys like like like like you

01:14:13 ◼   ► Federico and then I've got you know folders around other topics I've got

01:14:19 ◼   ► kind of general you know nerd news I've got Apple news just a couple more high

01:14:24 ◼   ► volume Apple news sites and and I don't feel bad about marking those other

01:14:29 ◼   ► folders as read if I can't get to them I don't have a completionist attitude when

01:14:34 ◼   ► it comes to RSS. And you know a lot of times I was open to open a folder

01:14:38 ◼   ► especially if it's been you know several hours or even a day and just skim the

01:14:42 ◼   ► you know the latest couple things and because I do rely on Twitter to a degree

01:14:46 ◼   ► even though I'm not using Twitter as an RSS replacement I expect that stories

01:14:51 ◼   ► that are popular like today that redesigned or that art project with a

01:14:55 ◼   ► guy made like an iMac out of the front of a classic Mac like you know a bunch

01:15:00 ◼   ► of people tweeted that I wish you'll tweeted it at me and so I saw that well

01:15:04 ◼   ► before I opened Unread this morning on my iPad.

01:15:06 ◼   ► Yeah, but all in all, if you looked at my RSS usage in 2007 and looked at it today,

01:15:12 ◼   ► it's more or less the same.

01:15:14 ◼   ► There's not a ton of articles in there.

01:15:16 ◼   ► I've pared back what I follow in RSS, but it's still a pretty critical part of the way

01:15:23 ◼   ► I consume content online.

01:15:26 ◼   ► So what I want to ask you is, how do you, and if you, I'm not sure whether you use it

01:15:32 ◼   ► or not. How do you use the feature to mark an article as a favorite and the read later

01:15:42 ◼   ► services like Pocket and Instapaper? Because I'm struggling and I'm finding even more overlap

01:15:48 ◼   ► between the two. Why do I mark an RSS article as favorite if I can just send it to Pocket

01:15:56 ◼   ► or Instapaper, especially now that it's so easy with iOS 8 extension?

01:16:00 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't mark anything favorited in RSS.

01:16:04 ◼   ► I didn't, and that was a huge thing in Google Reader and you could like set where if you

01:16:07 ◼   ► favorited something in Google Reader it did a bunch of different things.

01:16:10 ◼   ► I never used it then, I don't use it now.

01:16:13 ◼   ► If it's something I want to read later or something that I want to maybe link to later,

01:16:18 ◼   ► I'll just send it to Instapaper and deal with it over there.

01:16:22 ◼   ► But you know, RSS to me is very binary.

01:16:24 ◼   ► Like if it gets in front of me, if I don't just mark it as red,

01:16:30 ◼   ► then I'll either skim it there, or again,

01:16:32 ◼   ► if I want to do something with it, it just goes into paper

01:16:35 ◼   ► and it gets dealt with elsewhere, not within RSS app

01:16:38 ◼   ► itself.

01:16:40 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what I think I will end up doing again.

01:16:44 ◼   ► Because I have this habit of marking articles as favorite.

01:16:49 ◼   ► Because that's what I used to do in Reader and Google Reader

01:16:53 ◼   ► years ago.

01:16:54 ◼   ► Because, yeah, I remember there was some kind of social component at some point for the

01:16:58 ◼   ► favorite feature.

01:17:00 ◼   ► So I think out of habit, I still give a star to articles.

01:17:06 ◼   ► But I realized that I can just save them to Pocket and just...

01:17:11 ◼   ► Because either I want to read them or I want to archive them for the future.

01:17:15 ◼   ► So yeah, I think in NewsBlur they are called the saved articles.

01:17:20 ◼   ► So it's basically the same system.

01:17:23 ◼   ► And I wanted to ask you also, and then I will move my question to Myke.

01:17:29 ◼   ► Are you prepared, Myke?

01:17:30 ◼   ► >> Well, yeah.

01:17:31 ◼   ► You're not going to get much out of me, but...

01:17:34 ◼   ► >> This is like an interview from the police when they interview people.

01:17:39 ◼   ► I have a lamp on my desk and I will...

01:17:45 ◼   ► So Stephen, do you use the search feature of RSS ever?

01:17:50 ◼   ► you search for old articles for some reason or do you just use Google?

01:17:55 ◼   ► Just Google.

01:17:56 ◼   ► I mean I don't use search in RSS.

01:18:00 ◼   ► If there's an article that I've read and maybe if I instant-papered it, it's in Pinboard.

01:18:05 ◼   ► So the first, like say that like Federico, I was actually just looking at just earlier

01:18:10 ◼   ► today your Q4 2014 results post and so I just searched Google and found it.

01:18:17 ◼   ► But sometimes something is more obscure, maybe I send it to Pinboard, everything I go, Instapaper

01:18:24 ◼   ► goes to Pinboard.

01:18:25 ◼   ► So I look there as well.

01:18:26 ◼   ► I don't use search.

01:18:27 ◼   ► I don't even know how search is in Feedbin because I've just never touched it.

01:18:33 ◼   ► That's what I thought.

01:18:34 ◼   ► It's really like why should I use RSS search instead of Google search?

01:18:40 ◼   ► There were a couple of scenarios for me that I knew that I found an article in RSS and

01:18:44 ◼   ► I remember the title and NewsBlur gave me that feed article again, but in general I

01:18:51 ◼   ► think I just used Google.

01:18:53 ◼   ► Myke, why are you coming back to RSS?

01:18:58 ◼   ► Just because there are some blogs and sites where I want to make sure that I don't miss

01:19:04 ◼   ► things.

01:19:07 ◼   ► And that tends to just be like blogs from people that I enjoy, because I get most of

01:19:11 ◼   ► the stuff that I need to know from Twitter. I mean I subscribe to The Verge

01:19:17 ◼   ► and Polygon in my RSS reader but that's only if I'm reading RSS and I want

01:19:22 ◼   ► something to read and I'm done with everything else. Other than that I just

01:19:25 ◼   ► mark those as read all the time because I've just gone in and done now. But I

01:19:32 ◼   ► only subscribe to 15 RSS feeds now and it's mainly just from the blogs of

01:19:39 ◼   ► friends and what I find most of the time is I'm going in like I am right now and clearing

01:19:45 ◼   ► it out, just like marking everything as read pretty much because it's been weeks since

01:19:50 ◼   ► I looked last.

01:19:52 ◼   ► I kind of just go in every now and then if I want something to read and there's always

01:19:55 ◼   ► stuff in there from the people's sites that I like.

01:19:59 ◼   ► I use Twitter for most of the stuff that I need.

01:20:02 ◼   ► I follow a lot of people.

01:20:03 ◼   ► If there are big things happening, I find out about them that way and I also follow

01:20:07 ◼   ► I have a lot of blogs and sites that I enjoy.

01:20:12 ◼   ► But I don't use lists.

01:20:13 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:20:14 ◼   ► Okay.

01:20:15 ◼   ► Because I don't want multiple timelines to have to look through.

01:20:17 ◼   ► I already follow enough people.

01:20:18 ◼   ► So it's just in your regular timeline and if you miss it, you miss it?

01:20:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:22 ◼   ► Yeah, but it uses tweetbot so it's got timeline sync so it never misses tweets.

01:20:29 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:20:30 ◼   ► Right?

01:20:31 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:20:32 ◼   ► Never miss them tweets, boy, because I got my iCloud syncing.

01:20:36 ◼   ► My hide.

01:20:37 ◼   ► Wow. [LAUGHS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► You use iCloud instead of TweetMarker?

01:20:41 ◼   ► Yeah, because I like the thinking of DM Red notifications.

01:20:45 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, makes sense.

01:20:47 ◼   ► Same here.

01:20:49 ◼   ► In general, to conclude, I think I'm...

01:20:52 ◼   ► Of course, I'm sticking to NewsBlur at the moment

01:20:54 ◼   ► because I'm really curious about this.

01:20:57 ◼   ► It's made by a single guy in the developer,

01:21:00 ◼   ► the kind of story that I like.

01:21:02 ◼   ► Someone has to feed his dog, you know?

01:21:05 ◼   ► Yeah, of course, the dog picture, which was awesome.

01:21:09 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm trying NewsBlur.

01:21:13 ◼   ► At this point, I have a membership

01:21:16 ◼   ► to the three popular RSS services

01:21:21 ◼   ► because I am a Feedly Pro lifetime member.

01:21:25 ◼   ► I pay for Feed Wrangler because David Smith is awesome.

01:21:29 ◼   ► And there's NewsBlur.

01:21:34 ◼   ► So I think I want to try Fitbin in the next couple of months.

01:21:37 ◼   ► But first, just to have an idea.

01:21:40 ◼   ► I like having opinions about everything.

01:21:43 ◼   ► So I can opinionate with people about opinions.

01:21:48 ◼   ► We love it.

01:21:49 ◼   ► We love it when you opinionate.

01:21:51 ◼   ► I think that's really important to have opinions and posits

01:21:55 ◼   ► these days.

01:21:55 ◼   ► Cool.

01:22:00 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, RSS is one of those things

01:22:02 ◼   ► that when Google Reader went away, a lot of people

01:22:04 ◼   ► said that RSS was going to die.

01:22:08 ◼   ► But especially if you lump podcasting into the mix,

01:22:12 ◼   ► because podcasting runs on the back of RSS, RSS is fine.

01:22:16 ◼   ► And there's all these services.

01:22:17 ◼   ► Like the ones you just listed, there's

01:22:20 ◼   ► a dozen more good ones.

01:22:23 ◼   ► I definitely still think there's a place for it in this world.

01:22:26 ◼   ► I think things like NewsBlur, adding features on top of it,

01:22:29 ◼   ► think is where the excitement is happening. So yeah it's good stuff.

01:22:36 ◼   ► That just about wraps up this week's episode of Connected. If you'd like to

01:22:40 ◼   ► find the show notes for this week's show go to relay.fm/connected/22

01:22:44 ◼   ► If you want to follow us on Twitter I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E. Federico is @fatici

01:22:50 ◼   ► V-I-T-I-C-C-I and Steven is @ismh. Steven writes thegreat512pixels.net

01:22:57 ◼   ► and Federico writes the also great MaxStories.net.

01:23:01 ◼   ► We'll be back next week with another episode of the show.

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01:23:10 ◼   ► Until then, bye bye.