21: 50% my Duty
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- From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 21.
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Today's show is brought to you by Hover,
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and gamer items and pop culture gear.
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My name is Myke Hurley and today I'm joined
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by Mr. Steven Hackett.
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Hello, Steven Hackett.
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- Hello, Michael Hurley.
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- And the glorious return of Federico Vittucci.
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Hello, Federico.
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Hey guys, how are you?
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Happy to have you back.
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I'm happy to be here again.
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Happy New Year to Steven.
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You too, buddy.
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Because we didn't talk, I said Happy New Year to Myke last week, but I didn't say that to
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So do you celebrate the New Year in Tennessee?
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We are aware of it.
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They have a different calendar.
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Yeah, you do.
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It's 1945 in Tennessee.
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In some ways that's not untrue, but yeah, no, it was lovely.
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Had a nice Italian dinner actually, and then went home.
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What did you have to eat?
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I had, well, so Italian in air quotes, right, because Federico's here, but I had a lovely
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ravioli and meat sauce and some salad and some tea.
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It was good.
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So what did you do at midnight?
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Did you just stare at the OS X installer?
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I was in bed early.
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I didn't see the midnight.
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My idea would have been better, I think.
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I think I should have gone with what you went with, but I'm old and saying up to midnight
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seems impossible.
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So yeah, it feels good to be back, Myke.
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The last episode was really great.
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You guys did a great job, I think.
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2014 has been a strange year for technology.
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What do you think we're gonna see this year?
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- The Apple Watch.
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- The Apple Watch, like Jeff Bezos buys a real AFM.
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- Federico, you sound a little under the weather.
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- Yeah, you sound like you've got a cold.
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- Well, yeah, I had one like a couple of weeks ago.
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- Are you still, did you have a heavy new year?
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Like a week later, are you still feeling the effects of New Year?
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Well, you know, it takes a while to get back to the usual routine.
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It's been a, let's say, it's been not a great first week of the year for me,
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but now it should be getting better.
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That's how I like to look at it.
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One of the unfortunate things about 2015 so far is that we have 100,000 pieces of follow-up.
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It's an entire page in our Google Doc.
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This is the most I've ever seen, so do you want to get started?
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So we'll get started.
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So FU number one.
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FU number one?
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You're saying FU but then you're calling me number one.
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It's very conflicted.
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like you're the best worst person I know. So listener Arno, Arno, listener Arno
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wrote in and basically asked do App Store rejections, which we've talked a
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lot about of course, matter in the grand scheme of things? So Arno's argument is
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that while app rejections are like obviously a big deal to us and our
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friends, that maybe like normal people it's not such a big deal that you know
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like Federico likes to call them normal people you know his like our friends who
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aren't in this space like a do they even use these apps that get like bumped you
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know by Apple and even if they do like is it is it a big deal that these
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features or these apps are like held back because you know most people don't
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really care about things like today widgets that can fire app actions and
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that sort of thing so at least my two senses that I will concede that this is
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sort of a problem that is limited to a certain slice of the App Store and a
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certain slice of customers of the App Store but I would argue that it is part
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of the market that Apple should pay attention to because we do have
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influence in you know the press and that we are the people who Apple needs to buy
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the watch on day one and who will end up behind the watch on day one more than
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likely so while we are a small part of the market I would argue that we're an
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important one. I don't think normal people, my friends as I call them, I don't
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think they care about the same apps that we care about. They don't use stuff like
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Drafz or Peacalc. I mean there are people of course who use them but it's
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just on average I don't see those kinds of you know more articulated apps on
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on other people's home screen.
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But the ignorance doesn't make it right, just because the majority of customers on the App
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Store don't use the same apps that we do because we are more tech-savvy or we just like to...
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I mean, Steven, you run a website about comparing the best apps for the job.
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Because millions of people don't...
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They just want the free utility from the App Store.
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don't want the best or the more powerful app, it doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't be paying
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attention to this problem, especially because when they have rules and when they don't follow
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those rules, that's just wrong, and when you come up with a stupid exception that's just
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stupid, there's no excuse for the stupidity of some app store rejections.
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So if you want to make up rules as you go, I don't think that's a great idea.
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I think Apple should update the guidelines and clearly state "here's what we want you
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to do, here's what you cannot do" because that's a new rule on the App Store.
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I don't think that releasing new iOS features just like they did with iOS 8 at WWDC and
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then saying "yep, we have this feature but you cannot use it because otherwise we're
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going to reject you".
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I don't think that's a great behavior from Apple, I don't think that's a great strategy.
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So even if people don't care about this, it doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't be better,
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and hopefully next year they will be better.
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I think, for myself, part of the problem that I see with this is the indie developers that
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go through these problems end up being the people that set trends that the bigger apps
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So if you look at stuff like port-refresh or like x-coreback URLs, things that are used
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now by all the biggest apps because they end up setting trends or design features or just
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standard interaction methods that we get used to, these things were all pioneered by indie
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developers who were pushing the envelope and if Apple makes it harder and harder and harder
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for them it's going to stunt the development of the entire platform.
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It's like you're going against the people who experiment and come up with all the ideas
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that eventually trickle down to more mainstream software.
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So I think it's extremely important to make sure that the people who like the pioneers
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of software always get the best deal, you know?
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And that's really problematic, you know, for people like us because these are the apps
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that we use and that we love, and it's concerning to see a company releasing all these features
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and then months later, even after approving these apps, coming up with all sorts of exceptions
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and then you...
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And even that's not necessarily the worst part for me.
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The really bad part about these apps or rejections is first you approve an app and then you reject
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it and then the following day because the developer went to the press you accept the
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It makes it seem like you don't know what you're doing.
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That makes Apple look weak, I think.
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And when they say, because they had this crazy weird blog post on the developer blog, and
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they were like, "Remember that the most effective way to appeal to a rejection is to use the
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app review board."
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It's not true because when people went to the press, to TechCrunch and other blogs, that
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was clearly the most effective way because it took less than 24 hours.
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And there was a blog post from Panic where they say that because of these blog posts,
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we managed to get transmit with the iCloud Drive feature back on the App Store.
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So what you're saying on the developer blog sounds like an excuse because it's not true.
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It's really weird.
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I don't know.
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Marco's take on it that it kind of sounded like a threat yeah it was kind
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of sound like a threat it's like a sort of like I don't know it sounds like a
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Godfather type thing you know yeah you know it's good for you an offer that
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you can refuse exactly yeah Phil Schiller's just outside someone's house
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with a baseball bat waiting for them to come out yeah we should we should move
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You come to me on the day that I reject your app? Speaking of app store
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rejections, our Myke's app, sort of, the wonderful tg-tweets had an issue
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with their icon and I actually had that thought in beta that he was using the
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or Myke was using, not Myke, was using the Twitter bird in the logo and
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apparently Apple rejected it because it was a misleading use of the Twitter logo
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and it looks like he's got a new one at least on his profile.
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Yeah somebody has saved the day and helped Danny out with a new logo but I just
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thought it was interesting like "and now our apps rejected it!" Yeah!
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Yeah so you know it that's one thing I can understand you know kind of getting
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close to another brand but there's definitely silliness.
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- But we failed as beta testers
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because we should have done better.
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- Stephen failed 'cause I haven't even noticed it.
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- I thought about it but it didn't say anything.
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- It just didn't tell anyone.
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It's like, oh, the app doesn't work on my phone
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but you'll work that out.
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- There's a new icon coming.
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Did you guys see the tweet from--
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- It looks good.
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- I didn't see the icon, I just saw the tweet.
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It's his Twitter bio picture, the feather.
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- The quill.
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- Oh, nice. - Yes, thank you, Myke.
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So, on occasion we have talked about photo management
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on our show.
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I don't know if you guys have noticed.
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- Occasionally? - Occasionally.
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So, FU2 is about photos on iCloud.com,
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disappeared for a little while.
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So there's a link to the Mac observer.
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basically Apple didn't say anything and iPhoto was,
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or not iPhoto, Photos for iCloud.
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Is that what we're calling it, Photos for iCloud?
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Is that what Apple calls it?
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It's very confusing.
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- iPhoto in iCloud. - Apple Photos in the cloud
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match in the cloud and--
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- iPhoto in iCloud in iOS.
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- In the match. - Yes.
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So I think that's kind of weird,
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but it's still in beta, right?
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So if they took it down and put it back up,
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like I think that's whatever.
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I was gonna ask you, Federico,
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And I meant to ask you, when we spoke about this a couple weeks ago, what does photos
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on iCloud match tunes?
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What does that look like on OS X?
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Do photos just show up in the iCloud drive in Finder or can you even access them at this
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point from the Mac?
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Because the photos for OS X app is not out yet, of course.
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So what's the experience like on your MacBook Air?
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Okay, you're going to hate me for this.
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I don't know.
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Because you're not running Yosemite.
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No, no, I am.
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I just didn't bother to look because I just look at pictures on my phone and my iPad.
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You're in front of your MacBook Air right now.
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Go to finder.
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Where I'm supposed to look, okay.
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There's no iCloud drive in my sidebar.
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It's called the iCloud photo library, by the way.
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So do you have it on mic?
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Yes, I do actually.
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Okay, so what does it look like if you have...
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What does it look like on the Mac?
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I have my iCloud drive and there's no...
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There's no photos folder.
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There's no photos folder, there's nothing.
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There's other apps that I use on iOS and the Mac, but no photos.
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Okay, and the chat room is screaming that it's just in the browser, so it's on iOS and
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the browser.
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Yeah, I used the iCloud.com web app for the one time that I wanted to look at pictures
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on my Mac for some reason, probably because I was in a sort of Steven Hackett fugue state.
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I wanted to look at pictures.
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Yeah, because I mean, I'm taking pictures on my phone.
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Why would I want to look at pictures on my Mac?
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I mean, it's not like I use, I don't know, one of those widows that they use like FX
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to do post-processing on photos, whatever.
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I just take pictures and save them and send them to my mom and my friends.
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You know, I just don't process photos.
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What does it mean to process photos?
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I have no, I have no idea what I'm doing with pictures.
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My photo library is currently being prepared.
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It's preparing itself?
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Yeah, it's currently preparing itself.
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I don't know what that means.
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Well, I've just logged in.
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Guys, you know when they show you, when there's people and they're excited to see, like, "Oh,
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in this photo editing app, you can see all the curves and all the levels and I have no
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idea what that means."
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That excites me.
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Yeah, I know.
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I know that excites me.
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Sometimes I try to tweak those sliders and I mess up every time.
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And a picture turns all dark and gloomy and that sucks.
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I don't have any sort of photographic knowledge.
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So I just take pictures and I save them on my phone and that's it.
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So I'm sorry, Steven, but I had no idea.
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But it doesn't seem like they're available in the Finder.
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So I've never looked online before and it practically looks just like what it does on iOS.
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Yeah, there's a screenshot in the chatroom from the wizard and it's just a grid of images.
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So we'll add that to the show notes.
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Where could people find the show notes?
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Relay.fm/connect2/21
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Wow, you were all minimalistic.
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So it's my new rethinking for 2015.
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This is the new Zen.
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I want to just give the people what they want as fast as they can take it.
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That was really quick.
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You just really gave it to them fast.
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So follow up number three.
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We're almost halfway there.
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Last week during the show I promised that I would look up our show notes in my virtual
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machine that is running Next Step, but my Next Step VM doesn't have a browser.
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So if you are out there and you can help me install a browser in my Next Step VM, please
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contact me because I would like to do that and to be fair I spent zero time looking into
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it but if you want to help me, get in touch.
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Is that because you failed?
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It's because I forgot about it again.
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You failed didn't you?
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You don't know how to do it.
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I didn't even look into how to do it.
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You don't just know though?
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I don't just know.
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I could do it in, you know, OS 8. So the next bit of follow-up, follow-up 4, follow-up IV,
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if you will, for doing Roman numerals. Myke, I want to toss this to you about Google and the
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Motorola numbers from last week. Did you read this link in on the New York Times? No. Okay. Well,
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there's a link in the New York Times about the Google and Motorola acquisition because I think
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We goofed up the numbers, but it's hard to tell because it's all very confusing.
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But if anybody did, it wasn't me.
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It was your segment.
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Nah, I don't think it was.
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Okay, well apparently some numbers are weird.
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If you're upset, then go read that link, which you can find in the show notes.
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Thank you very much to whoever sent that in.
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Yeah, I don't know who sent that in.
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You really...
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Follow-up IV was just a disaster, wasn't it?
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It really was.
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I'm really sorry.
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You sound really sad.
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- It's really coming off, we're 17 minutes in
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and the wheels are just off.
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So the next three follow ups five, six and seven
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And the first one is in a homemade browser
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that Will Richardson on Twitter apparently made a browser
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when he was 14 and he used it to load our show notes.
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- So can he just make browsers these things?
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- He did, it's called Meteor version 1.2
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and the show notes don't load very well
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but made his own browser so that's pretty cool.
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- Did he make it just so like, for us?
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- If he's 14 now then yes, but I read it
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as if it were in past tense.
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- He doesn't look like he's 14.
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The next the next couple links, it's just so weird,
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listener Brian loaded our show notes in a browser called 3B. Why is it 3B?
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What is that? It's your own personal 3D space. It's very
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strange. There's a link in the chat room to this. You should definitely go try it
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out. You guys lit up these dropper links so quick. Do you guys look at this?
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Myke, did you know that the PlayStation Home thing where you control this little human
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in a virtual space? The next step is to ask people to do stuff like open the relay website
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in these virtual realities. And why is this guy wearing a shirt with all these hearts?
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Because he loves us. So the first one, screenshot one, is looking at the connected page and
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And then, it's our Twitter pages.
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The person is wearing hearts.
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I think that's really sweet.
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Can you walk around while you're looking at show notes?
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I think you can.
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I didn't try to use the product because I didn't want to make my computer explode.
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But it looks so bad though.
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It's really weird.
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Can you jump in the car and drive against the show notes?
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Self-driving show notes is big at CES this year.
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It's a thing, so that happened.
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- Well, it looks like it, yeah.
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- Oh my God.
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- I like the retro interface of this browser.
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- Like there's some parts of it, like screenshot three,
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I don't even understand what's going on.
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Like what is that?
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- What is the destination button?
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What does it do?
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There's a subway button?
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- I don't know, it's very strange.
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- Can you take Korea into the subway?
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You can take an airport shuttle and go visit Analogue on the next page.
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There should have been a tube button just for Myke.
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Just for Myke. Yeah.
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So the last piece of follow-up from Aaron on
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Twitter. I'm going to mess up Aaron's last name so I'm just going to check it out and skip it.
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Of Relay FM loaded up in
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Pixel Fari, which is Nevin Muren's
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browser that is basically real 8-bit so it's like a safari. I remember this.
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yeah I totally forgot about it but it's super cool and it basically makes
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everything look like you know
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nevin's games are an 8-bit so you have space age and the incident so it's kind
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of that sort of look
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I think it looks pretty cool and of course it loads relatively well
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there's a few issues in the navigation but overall works pretty well
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I think it's great. yeah I like this this is cool
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So that's the follow up this week.
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I did! I didn't tell you guys. Oh you did you got it all right yeah yeah as long as
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As long as someone has it. Yeah, it was like one of those scenes from the from
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Is that like Star Wars? Oh, come on! You don't get my pop culture references. That's a problem.
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I'm sorry. Wait, what show am I on now? Yeah, I'm sorry to be the... Alright, so we
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have some real-time follow-up from a friend of the show Doug Beal who's in
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the chat room Doug Beale threw up connected on Emacs 24.4.1
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I don't know what that means
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and it's very exciting to see our site in black and white and aqua so that's also in
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the show notes now so that is now
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Why is the logo so big?
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Because it we scale it down on this oh I can't the file we use is much bigger than how it
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is shown on the website because of programming.
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Anyways, topic zero, guys.
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We're going to talk about Hackintoshes.
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OK, topic zero is--
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What year is this?
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We've got like, Emacs and Pixel Fari and Hackintoshes.
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Like, this is 2015, guys.
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No, it's definitely 2006.
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So this came up because listener Brian,
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who exchanged some emails with me this week,
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kind of asked our thoughts on it.
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And I thought it was an interesting topic
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and I too thought it was dead.
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And then I looked around a little bit
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and turns out, trademark,
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that Hackintoshes are totally still a thing.
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Just this week we had sort of serendipity.
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I did not make this happen.
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But our sweet setup interview this week
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with Sebastian Green, dude runs a Hackintosh.
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Like it's inside a Power Mac G5 case
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which is like big bonus points for me.
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But he runs a Hackintosh.
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Friend of a friend of mine in real life,
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Thomas Newton who writes Egg Freckles runs a Hackintosh.
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And Lifehacker of all sites keeps an updated guide
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on building a Hackintosh.
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Like people still do this.
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I don't know why, which is what I wanna talk about.
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- It sounds like you're looking for validation.
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I'm not building a Hackintosh.
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Well, not yet.
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I have no interest.
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That's what all this is about, all this time.
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He's been collecting all these old Macintoshes.
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Look at all these people doing Hackintoshes.
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Great guys, huh?
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Huh, it's great guys, yeah?
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And he's just winking.
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Yeah, Hackintoshes, right?
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What do you think?
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We don't approve.
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I'm not doing it.
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But there are a bunch of links in the show notes
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that if you want to do it, you could do it.
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I just don't, I don't understand,
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like I totally get the idea of like tinkering
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and like I want to build something myself
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and like there are definitely,
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like I understand that completely
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and I think there's advantages to like knowing
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your own hardware like on a philosophical level
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but it seems like such a giant pile of trouble.
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I don't understand, this comes from somebody
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who I have done this in the past.
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I did it with, I didn't build one,
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but I had back in 2009, first the HP Mini 1000
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and then the Dell Mini 9 running OS X.
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The Dell Mini 9 was like perfectly built to run OS X.
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It ran leopard like out of the box just about.
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So I've done this and I know firsthand
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that at least in 2009 it was a major pain.
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Any update you had to like repatch or like change something
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and maybe it's better now, but it definitely seems
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like a lot of work when Mac hardware is not that expensive these days like the
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prices have really come down you can get something really powerful for really not
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that much money so I just don't I don't understand why this is still a thing
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can I just go back on something a moment please did you say knowing your hardware
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on a philosophical level I did say that yeah he did yes okay I think I just
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I don't have to defend myself for the two of you.
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No, you don't.
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I don't know what that means.
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Let me defend Steven.
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I have to say that even if I want to make fun of his ideas on occasion, I do respect
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the challenge of a Hackintosh on a technological level.
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I think it's pretty cool knowing all the different components and how you can make OS X run on
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a hardware it's not supposed to.
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Like it's not something that I ever ever do myself, but I understand why some people want
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and I also think that in some countries where Apple prices get like a crazy crazy high for
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some reason, whether it's taxes or like other fiscal things that I don't understand, I think
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it makes sense to make a Hackintosh.
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So I would never do one myself, but I understand and I think I respect the idea.
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I think it's pretty cool.
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I wouldn't say a philosophical connection to my hardware, but overall I think it is
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Do you feel like you philosophically connect to your iPad Air 2?
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Oh yeah, totally.
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Yeah, I understand.
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What if you could hackintosh and run iOS?
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"Oh, that'd be weird."
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Yeah, and your price point competition is a good one, the one that I didn't think about
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because I'm a silly American.
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I don't know.
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I just thought it was interesting because I looked into it and people are still doing
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And so I thought it was just interesting to bring up.
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I really am not going to do one.
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Talking about weird Mac hardware.
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We should get into this.
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Tell us, Myke.
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Along with some other scoops last night, Scoop Machine, Mark Gurman, at 9to5Mac, posted a
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surprising piece about a completely new MacBook Air at the 12 inch screen size, completely
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rethought in the way it's designed with a bunch of different changes like keyboard spacing,
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using speaker grill fans and a trackpad with no clicking area and just like no I/O of any
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kind really just like two holes in the side loads of really interesting and
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very surprising changes to push the MacBook Air further down its you know
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down its road it's like eventual road of becoming this incredibly thin
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incredibly light like incredibly incredibly thin piece of hardware so we
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should talk about it yeah can I can I can I put forward my crazy theory first
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Is it possible that this is a Mac that runs on ARM chip?
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I saw some people tweeting about that.
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I think that's definitely a possibility, especially...
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This is another chapter in a long-running rumor, and for a while, those rumors included
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it would be fanless.
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Now, you can run...
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There's Intel Ultrabooks, and they run without fans, but I think the ARM thing is definitely
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a possibility here.
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And I think that is part of a lot of other questions that I have.
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I have nothing but questions about this machine at this point.
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You know, it would kind of make sense in a way, because it's doing a bunch of other weird
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So it may as well be so radically different, you know?
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Like I don't know, the Retina MacBook Pro did a bunch of really weird stuff because
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it was so different and the same was like the original MacBook Air as well
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like there were some fundamental changes and I guess the fundamental change here
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would be runs on ARM and doesn't have any ports except one USB port right?
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They're like fundamentally different and they priced them in such a way to like
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scare most people off but you know pricing is a whole other thing but go
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on Steven let's start looking at some of your questions.
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Okay so let's
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start with the the port issue so according to this rumor it's gonna have
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headphone port on one side and a USB C which if you're not familiar you should
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look at this link USB C is actually really similar to a lightning connector
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it's reversible it's really small and according to these images it's the only
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port on the machine now I didn't even think about it until Chuck's go down
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Twitter earlier or just a little while ago was like Apple watch has magnetic
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charging why wouldn't this have some sort of like snap-on magnetic charger so
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like maybe that would be good like I don't want to have to unplug something
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to charge my computer but one port even if like charging isn't through that port
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which USB C could could charge a machine like this really pushes this into iOS
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territory in the I/O you know like an iPad has one connector and a headphone
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jack. Do you know I hadn't really thought of that? That hadn't crossed my mind
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mind. The Apple watch angle? No, not that it's... That it's an iPad? It's what an
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iPad has, like it's... you don't plug anything into it, like you just don't do that.
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Yeah it's um... Do you reckon that, I mean this is another thought that I'm just
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having randomly, do you reckon that like the charger would have I/O? So the again
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think looking at the iPad, the iPad has a HDMI like adapter so you can instead of
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AirPlay you can plug HDMI right into the iPad and that adapter has a lightning
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it had a 30 pin now has a lightning connector on it so you can charge and
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get power in and HDMI out at the same time and it definitely leads to
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questions of dongles or docks or what if this thing only has one port you know
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even on a MacBook Air but especially on a MacBook Air but even on a MacBook Pro
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like my bag is full of dongles I have Ethernet, 5Y800, you know VGA,
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DVI, like all these things because I'm out and about and my MacBook Pro
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basically just has USB and Thunderbolt and HDMI but even then I'm adapting all
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the time so to a degree I think Mac users are used to this but the the
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alternative is and I wrote it in all capital letters in my show notes of OMG
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PowerBook Duo like what if what if this thing does come with a dock of some sort
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that you can put in your bag and it has all these ports I don't think Apple's
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gonna do that. I think it's like the worst idea ever if they do. Like I need to
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I need to I need to hear Apple's... if this is true I need to hear the marketing
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because like one port is is crazy making. Like for example for me like I have my
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my keyboard that I use because I use this the Microsoft keyboard with the
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hole in the middle that I can't remember the name of now. I have to plug a little
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USB dongle in for it to work. I don't know why. I don't know why they can't use Bluetooth like everybody else
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but you have to use this little dongle. So I wouldn't even be able to use my
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keyboard if I want to charge, right? So that's... let alone like maybe I want to
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plug in my iPhone, maybe I want to plug in anything like a hard drive. The idea
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that I would then have to take like a dock in my bag kind of undoes the idea
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of portability. Laptops are portable. I totally agree. So having to carry around
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more so I can use my portable machine, the whole point, all you're
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doing is taking the weight that you're taking out of the machine and
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adding it into something you have to carry with you anyway. So what's the
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point? I get that if you're on a plane it might be fine and it makes it
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awesome for that and you plug it in but I don't think that, I think that's too
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narrow in the thinking. A laptop you take to the coffee shop
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or you take downstairs or you know it's just the idea is you move it around and
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if I have to carry around a bunch of cables and dock with me just so I can
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have two USB ports that I can use whilst I'm charging I don't know if that's if I
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would want that like I can't see why I would want that yeah and and maybe the
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marketing angle is hey this thing gets crazy if it's on arm maybe this thing
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gets like all day battery life or two day battery life yeah something insane
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and so Apple's argument is you don't need it I mean if you need to like sync
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your phone lol you don't need to do that anymore if Stephen is the sink his iPod
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classic you can do that but you know he doesn't need to really like carry a
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charger around around with him but that I agree with you Myke is sort of thin
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reasoning and it inevitably like these machines if this is true like people
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gonna be carrying around a lot of extra stuff potentially and I don't know if
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Apple like wants people to do that or not. But like then I think I think this
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is like our version of the removal of the zip drive or like the removal of the floppy drive.
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Powering USB at the same time is important for like a lot of things.
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Yeah but it's you know it's that idea that like if you know the idea being if
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you think about previous times is Apple has a vision for where they want to take
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machines but first they have to have the first one and then from that they change
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the way that we use our computers right there if you think about it in those
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terms like if you look at look use hindsight right this might be that one
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so we look at it as being crazy and I'm like setting my hair on fire and running
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around my room because I see them having one USB port but it's just the same as
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everything else that they've ever done but you know it but it's hard to see
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right now but you know I hope that they're not I mean yeah I hope they're
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not just hobbling the machine because they want to make it really thin really
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light you could put two on this you could put two you could put two right
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there could be two. I would imagine that if this is real there's got to be two.
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The ports just don't sit don't sit right with me there's nothing I can't
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think of a single advantage except thinness and lightness but if you
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already have the bus and everything one more port is not shouldn't be a big deal.
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What's also interesting about this machine I think is the size so not
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the thin necessarily but the fact that it's a 12 inch model that that raises a
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lot of questions. You know Apple sells an 11.6 inch MacBook Air. I just bought one
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for my wife last month and I will say compared that machine compared to this
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mythical MacBook Air the new one looks so much better like the 11 inch MacBook
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doesn't look good. No, it's ugly. The bezel is humongous and it's like 16 the ratio of the
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screen is weird so it's really short and really wide. But I tell you what I like
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about this though this is a 12 inch laptop like 12 inch screen laptop that's
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smaller than the 11. Does his thing say that? Yeah the physical size is a quarter
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of a quarter or three quarters of an inch smaller than the 11 inch. Yeah and
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and they're doing some things that harken back to the 12 inch powerbook
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with like the full width keyboard is definitely something that was on the 12 inch
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powerbook. Like a lot of things about this machine are really interesting to
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me but going back to the size thing so is Apple going to sell a 11 inch MacBook
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a 12 inch like MacBook Air 2 and then a 13 inch MacBook Air like I don't know
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where this fits in line with the rest of the products and my my thought is and we
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can surely argue about it that if this has retina which Gherman doesn't say if
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it does or not but if it does I think this sits in between the current MacBook
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Airs and the MacBook Pro so you have the non retina 11 and 13 maybe their names
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change to just MacBook again, you have this machine in the middle, if it's Retina, and
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then you have the Pros.
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That makes sense to me with the current landscape.
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Can I ask you guys a question?
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Because I really don't understand.
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What's with the obsession of making laptops thinner?
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Because I mean, I cannot get it on a phone.
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I kinda understand it there because a phone is something that you hold in your hands all
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the time and therefore having a more comfortable physical size really helps.
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And I understand the argument for lightness in a laptop because you're carrying a laptop
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all the time so it's important to make it light.
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But the crazy obsession with thinness at the expense, possibly because this is a rumor
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So we're speculating here.
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But at the expense of battery space, of I/O,
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all these other compromises in this rumor,
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is it really worth it?
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Because just one port for the power adapter
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sounds crazy to me, like totally crazy,
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on a completely different planet than removing
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DVD and you know, the other stuff that Apple does.
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But making it like so thin that, I mean, I have a 2011 MacBook Air and
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I still think it is crazy thin.
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Am I wishing desperately for a thinner MacBook Air?
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No, but also I should note that I don't use my MacBook Air that much.
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But still, I mean, is it really necessary to compromise everything
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that a Mac is great for, so having ports, having more battery life than a phone or an
00:42:00
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iPad, is it really worth it just to be crazy thinner?
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Because it looks to me like a demonstration of finesse, of look how awesome we can make
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our MacBooks so thin and light, but do people really want that crazy thinness?
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I mean I agree with you Federico, and it's the same argument we had with the iPhone 6,
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Like if they get the thickness the same as before, like what does that mean battery life
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I see it more, like it makes more sense to me on a mobile device.
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But a 12 inch laptop you can carry really in just about any bag, you can carry it very
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easily with you.
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And if Apple is trying to make a super portable Mac, weight is a huge factor there.
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I moved recently from a MacBook Air to a MacBook Pro both in the 13 inch
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Class but the pro is heavier and the pro is thicker and I do notice that in my bag
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And so if this is all about portability
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And they can still get good battery life
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Like there's no way this thing gets worse battery life than the current MacBook Air. Apple very rarely moves backwards in terms of battery life
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So clearly they've been able to figure it out. And again, maybe that's ARM. Maybe that's that maybe it's not retina
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maybe it is. There's still too many unknowns, but I do think that the
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battery life, I just don't see them moving backwards on that at this point.
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I think the thickness argument, like if you're gonna make it
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lighter you're taking stuff out or you're making components smaller so you
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end up with more space so you may as well make the case thinner, right? In
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theory. But also like it is the traveling thing as Stephen said, you put it in a
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bag right and it takes less space in your bag but also like a super thin
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computer is a real marvel. I remember like the original MacBook Air
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right it was like what is this thing and people buy it for that you know because
00:43:59
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you pick it up in the store and it's like this is like thinner than a book
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this is crazy this is a computer and it's a good marketing tool. It's the same
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reason they make the phones thin like because they keep making them
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thinner because it looks good on the posters and you know because you can get
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the ginga it's hiding behind a pencil what what you know it's like it looks
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good. A laser cut pencil. It's sellable right it's sellable. It is and the the original
00:44:25
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Mappo Gare is of course a really good way to think about this this computer
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you know I we talked about it last week or a couple weeks ago in our Q&A that you
00:44:34
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know I had one for a short period and they got rid of it because the the
00:44:38
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performance was so bad and on the original MacBook Air that had everything
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to do with like they used an iPod hard drive and turns out running OS X on an
00:44:45
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iPod hard drive is miserable. But you know I remember when they I remember the
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keynote that they announced the MacBook Air in a little flip down door and it
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had micro DVI it's the only Apple laptop to ever ship with micro DVI so again in
00:45:00
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the world of adapters like if you own a first-gen MacBook Air you have this
00:45:03
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adapter you can ever use and I remember thinking like oh my god they have one
00:45:07
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USB port like what are you thinking and of course they rectified that later on
00:45:11
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but the world like the world dealt with the MacBook Air and a lot of people
00:45:17
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really like this that first-gen machine and like what I think this will be that
00:45:22
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first-gen machine came with a hefty price you know now the MacBook Air is the
00:45:26
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base machine it's the bottom of the tier it's the cheap one but that was not the
00:45:30
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not the case when the original MacBook Air came out I don't remember how much
00:45:33
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it was but it was significantly more than a MacBook and so maybe maybe this
00:45:37
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machine is following that trajectory that yeah like there's trade-offs here
00:45:40
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but you're making those trade-offs to make your bag light and to keep a
00:45:43
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computer thin and if that interests you and we don't have the performance
00:45:49
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problems of yesteryear because we're on SSD and and even you know we've we've
00:45:53
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made great strides and heat consumption and all these things then maybe this
00:45:58
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machine is like the fulfilled promise that the original MacBook Air couldn't
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deliver on. So to go back to the pricing discussion the question that you asked a
00:46:06
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ago, like where does this sit in the line? I think that this device, no
00:46:10
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matter whether it's cheaper or more expensive, will sit outside of the
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MacBook Air line in the same way that the Retina MacBook Pros sat outside of the
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MacBook Pro line. You know, it was like you went to the store and it was like
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MacBook Air, or like, so MacBook Pro, it'd be like MacBook Pro Retina display. I
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think it'd be like that. You've got MacBook Air and then MacBook Air with X or 12
00:46:31
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inch MacBook Air, you know? And the Retina displays were more, like those
00:46:35
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Those machines were more, they sat above the line, and then slowly, I don't think, I don't
00:46:39
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know, I don't think you can buy a non-random APU perot anymore, I think they're all gone,
00:46:44
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but slowly took over, and I think you're right, I think that probably makes a lot of sense,
00:46:49
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I think this will be more expensive, by the way.
00:46:51
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So can I ask you another question?
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Because I'm, like, you guys know that I'm not so into Macs lately, but this is fascinating
00:47:03
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Can we, if this rumor is true, that's always the basic introduction here, if this is true,
00:47:11
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can we extract some theories about the future of OS X from this type of MacBook?
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And I thought of two.
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One is that without many USB ports, I think people will rely even more on AirDrop and
00:47:33
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other Bluetooth and Wi-Fi transfer solutions for files, especially now that it's supported
00:47:40
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on iOS and OS X.
00:47:42
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They can exchange files between the two of them.
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And the second one is that with a large trackpad, multi-touch gestures are still going to be
00:47:51
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a thing on OS X. Is there anything else that we can assume about this? Because, I mean,
00:47:58
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a MacBook, it's cool, it's great, I mean, it's thin, and it's got this new keyboard,
00:48:03
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okay, well, whatever, right? I mean, it'll be amazing hardware, but how does it affect
00:48:09
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the software if this is true?
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Well, I think there's even some going the other way that we've all said, everyone has
00:48:16
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said Yosemite looks better on a red display but they sell a boat ton of MacBook Airs and
00:48:22
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so I think this can address I think the software may points to this even in that way and we
00:48:27
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should say before we move on that you totally can buy a 13 inch MacBook Pro with no display
00:48:32
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still it's it's still on sale today which seems silly but it's 1100 bucks so spend the
00:48:38
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extra hundred dollars and go right now I guess but um yeah I think I think it's really interesting
00:48:43
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think about Federico and I think airdrop is definitely a big part of that again
00:48:50
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with the original Macbook Air.
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When it works.
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Yeah well there is that.
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On the original MacBook Air in that keynote there's a slide that has a
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picture of an optical disc and just one word "Y" over the top of it and it in
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that keynote as well Apple talked about streaming and that you could read
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download purchases from the iTunes store and they built the case that optical
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media is dead. This is the first computer we're shipping without an optical drive
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and you don't need it because we have all these other things and I think this
00:49:25
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machine can follow in those footsteps and say you know what your iOS devices
00:49:29
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already don't need to sync with iTunes anymore. If you need to move files sure
00:49:34
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if you need gigabit Ethernet here's an adapter but if you don't need it you
00:49:37
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just need AirDrop or peer-to-peer wireless it's already built in so you
00:49:43
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don't you don't need all the stuff that nerds want to hold on to. Okay how about
00:49:46
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this if you can allow me to interrupt you Steven. Now that we have iCloud Drive
00:49:53
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and now that we have iCloud integration in mail you need fewer ways to exchange
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files with other people physically and we're gonna make iCloud Drive more like
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Dropbox and you can easily store files in iCloud Drive and share them with
00:50:07
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people with a simple link instead of putting them on a USB dongle and giving the USB dongle
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to somebody else.
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So can we, I think it's, I mean, I'm not sure, I think it would be crazy, but if the rumor
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is true and if Apple is crazy enough to really do this, I think that it's not too crazy on
00:50:28
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our end to assume that they're going to do some sort of new file store exchanging features,
00:50:36
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think removing the physical components means... because people are not gonna stop sharing files,
00:50:45
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of course, if you take away... when you took away the DVD and the CD drive from people, they didn't
00:50:52
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stop using files, they just moved the files from the CD and the DVD to the USB. If you take USB
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away from people, those files are gonna be used anyway, just in different ways. So does this mean
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Does it mean that Apple is going to rely even more on sorting files in the cloud?
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And if that's the case, is the cloud iCloud Drive?
00:51:12
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And if that's the case, again, does it mean that iCloud Drive is getting new sharing features?
00:51:18
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It got mail drop in Yosemite that I can email you a file of almost any size and it's using
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iCloud Drive in the background to move it.
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But you still cannot create a shareable link just to iCloud Drive like you can in Dropbox.
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this is what I was saying before about like Apple creating a project that like
00:51:36
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pays for the future. So they say like we want to do this, we need this
00:51:41
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device to do this, this is the future but it starts here. So that's why I think
00:51:48
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it's priced high. Like I don't, you know, there's conjecture over whether
00:51:54
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it costs more, costs less, like whether that's why they're doing X, Y, Z. I think
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it's priced high because this is not a device for everyone because they are
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making some serious like because I think you know they'll be all crazy things they
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would do it will run hot right because there's no fans and it's gonna run hot
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right and they think that it won't but you'll get weird stuff that happens with
00:52:13
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it there's probably some things in there that maybe we don't even know about yet
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which are like super weird maybe the battery isn't any better than the Mac
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book yeah I mean like maybe it's just like well we're doing this now and then
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over the time it will get better and better or like you know it would turn
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out like and it runs on ARM and by the way you know everyone needs to recompile
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their apps it's like you know you don't know what these kind of things are gonna
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be like Steven tell me if what I said was completely dumb about the about the
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ARM thing you've probably used some verb in a in a you know a strange way but
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they will get follow-up all right so let me ask this question because I just
00:52:49
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I just thought, now I said it, I'm interested in it.
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If Apple use ARM chips,
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do people have to recompile their apps
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in the same way they did for Intel?
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- Though they would need to be some sort of
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fat binary system,
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like the transition from PowerPC to Intel.
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I mean, there will be a transition
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because Intel code won't run natively on ARM.
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- Right, so that's the other thing, right?
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If this is an ARM device,
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then it's gonna be the start
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of that transition device potentially.
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So, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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But my point is like, this is a,
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I see this as like the original MacBook Air,
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unlike the first Retina MacBook Pro.
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It is a future facing device
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that Apple will price accordingly.
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- Does the Mac do backups in iCloud like you can on iOS?
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- So maybe that's another possibility
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because if you take away USB,
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what about, you know, time machine and,
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I don't know, just thinking that, I think Myke is right.
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- You can do time machine to like a time capsule,
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like wirelessly, like they're not gonna,
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I can't ever see a world where Apple allows you
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to backup 256 gigs of storage to the cloud.
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- It's never gonna happen, it's just too much.
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- Oh, never say never, never say never.
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- It's never gonna happen.
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The reason I say that is because there is never a world
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in which that becomes affordable,
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because as Apple get the ability to store more and more,
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hard drives just get bigger, or SSDs just get bigger.
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So they move along together.
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That's my theory on that anyway.
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Yeah, but I think the idea of iCloud backup on iOS and the Mac
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is just fundamentally different.
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I mean, you can restore from iCloud on iOS,
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but it's definitely not the same as a time machine backup
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where you have history and versioning and all
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these other things. I don't know, I don't like Tinder agreed that I don't think
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Apple's gonna do that even if they did I don't think I would use it but um yeah
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there's lots of questions but I think overall I think we're in agreement that
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this this machine if it's real if this is what it is it's definitely going to
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move the bar you know move things forward in the notebook space in a big
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way. So what do we think is this is this happening like does this seem does this
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seem feasible I think yeah I think it does do we want to talk about the timing
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at all no I mean I just did you see the post that we had on Mac stories today I
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did I did and I linked to it but there was a bunch of arguing about that on
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Twitter and I don't think Apple leaks things in 9 to 5 Mac on purpose I could
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be wrong but I don't see this being Apple PR speaking through Mark Gurman I
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I don't see that either, but what I do see is like, there has been no other Apple news
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during CES week and that would be breaking a multi-year trend.
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So I don't know.
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I don't think that they would go to to German, right?
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But it is still weird.
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Of all people.
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Yeah, it is still weird because they haven't done anything else and that is the way Apple
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has operated for years.
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So I don't know what I think about it.
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Alright, should we take a break?
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Alright so it's a new year and lots of people do new things in the new year but Federica
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you've got some things in here that you're currently trying.
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What's cooking?
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So every year, after I recover from the New Year's Eve night, I sit down and it used to
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be at my Macbook and now it's at my iPad, but I try to understand whether the software
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I'm running is still the best for me.
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So I try to use the occasion of a new year to re-evaluate some apps, some services that
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that I pay for and I've been doing this for like three or four years now and every year
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I discover something new. It's like those people who move furniture around, you know,
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just to see if maybe there's a better option. I know my mother is one of those people and
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instead of moving furniture, I sign up for new web services. So I saved four, I think,
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of these new apps and services that I'm trying.
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So if you guys want, I can.
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I would like to discuss this with you.
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I want to hear it.
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So the first one that I wanted to take a look at,
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not just because maybe it will turn into a Mac service
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article, but just out of personal curiosity,
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was whether Instapaper was still the best read later app for me.
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I have a complicated history with read later apps.
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I used Instapaper for years.
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Two years ago, I switched to Pocket.
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Then from Pocket, I switched to Safari Reading List,
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but I was missing Instapaper's text features too much.
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- Just all features.
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- Yeah, but especially the text presentation
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and the friends network.
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I don't, like, I know this is gonna sound really bad, like, I don't care about, um,
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I'm trying to phrase this in the, in the last, in the least, uh, in the way that it will have
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fewer consequences for me. I don't care about, uh...
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Just say it, say it.
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I'm not a typography expert.
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Okay, you don't care about fonts is what you're saying?
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Like, I don't...
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What you're saying is...
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What he was afraid of, you just did.
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Okay, I'm not one of those people who spends time adjusting the margins and the font weight, the font size, and I want to have this serif and some serif...
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Not because I don't care, because it's like I'm arrogant.
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It's just that I don't understand and I don't think my...
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like the way that I read requires these settings.
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It's like those people who taste wine and when they drink wine they want like the advanced glass
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because it's better for the type of wine.
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You know, like I don't understand. I just use a normal font.
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Anyway, I don't know what "normal" means, it's just the default one usually.
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Yeah, probably. I don't know. No, I use the Serif one, the one with the little details.
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So, last year I was missing Instapaper's features too much, I switched back.
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In the past few months, after putting together my must-have annual roundup for the apps that I use,
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I was wondering whether Instapaper really the best for me because I love the app.
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It's just, you know, I think it is my, uh, it is 50% my duty and other 50% my curiosity
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to see what Pocket has been doing. So I asked on Twitter, uh, about, you know,
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what are you guys using for, uh, read later apps? And I received, I think like 300 replies
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and they were fairly evenly split between Instapaper and Pocket, with a few people using
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Readability, it appears they are still around, and Pinboard and Safari Reading List and other apps
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that I don't know, like there's one called Reading Pack, I think. Anyway, most people were using either
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Instapaper or Pocket, so I was surprised actually to see, I thought that people who followed me
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would be more inclined to use Instapaper. But half of those people actually use Pocket. So,
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I was like, okay, maybe I should try Pocket again. So, I've been trying Pocket. I paid for a premium
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account myself because I wanted to get the full experience. You know, when I try all these new
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apps, I want to go all in because I want to understand. And I gotta say, I kind of like it.
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Like the first week I thought it was a placebo effect, you know, because this is new so it must be better, you know.
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Like when you move furniture around again, it always looks better because it's new.
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But I've been using this for a couple of weeks now.
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Yeah, I'm happy to say.
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This never gets old. This is awesome.
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So this has been, I think, week two or week three, the beginning of week three maybe.
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I think it is pretty good.
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good. The text parser is much better than Instapaper. I'm seeing less weirdness in the
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way that Pocket parses articles on the web, like it supports captions for images better,
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and in general it's got less craft in the text. The way that articles flow in Pocket,
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less weird. It's not perfect, but it's less weird than InstaVapor. And I think that the
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presentation with images and like Pocket as a grid, like with previews of photos and thumbnails
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for videos, I think it looks fantastic. And in general, I know this is going to sound
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weird, but it seems that Pocket has been moving from a read-later solution to a more like
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a strange mix of "it's both read later" and like a bookmarking service because there's
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a this thing called Pocket Premium which I don't see many people talking about but it's
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a like it's a basically a permanent storage solution for your Pocket archive. It archives
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web pages so you can always... it's like the pinboard... what is it called? Like archival
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account. It creates an offline copy of a web page and it also gives you advanced
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search options and the ability to automatically assign tags to articles. So
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it's basically bookmarking features into pocket and you pay like 50 bucks a year
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and you also ensure that you know the usual stuff like you support the
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service and you make sure that it's going to be around in the future.
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So what I'm doing basically, and this is going to sound so confusing and so like people are
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going to be "what?"
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I'm using Pocket as both a read-later and bookmarking system.
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So you're not using Pinboard?
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At least not in the past couple of weeks.
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Because I go, I really go into these rabbit holes sometimes and I question everything
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about myself. And usually that everything is about software. And I know this is going
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to sound unnecessarily epic to people. But I do question, I do question everything because
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I want to I want to understand what I do. So yeah, I've been like, you know, you know,
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I told you, I told you, you too, my my fellow podcasters, I told you that I use Twitter
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faves a lot, like whenever I see a link that I want to read or view in the future, I just
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give it a star.
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And since I started using Pocket, I actually just send everything to Pocket, so I'm using
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the favorite feature just for actual favorites, like tweets that I like or that make me laugh,
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it's usually stuff from Kyle and Joe.
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I actually used faves for faves and pocket for links and it's both for articles that
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I want to read but I actually also saved like tutorials and Python stuff into pocket.
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This is interesting, I want to see how it works out for me.
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Two things that I don't like, whenever you share an article, it shares the article with
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a short link, so I had to put together a workflow to resolve the link and use the original link
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of an article because I don't like using the pocket.co short links.
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And it doesn't have highlights.
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I'm kinda missing highlights from Instapaper.
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I wasn't a huge user of highlights, but I do like the idea on principle.
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I want to be able to easily highlight text that I like.
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So that's not in pocket.
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We'll see how it goes.
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I'm optimistic because I think it's kind of different.
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And I wouldn't be too sad to just move from a dual system of bookmarks and read later
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to just one system that sorts everything for me.
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Search is also pretty awesome.
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But it's too soon.
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Yeah, I mean I've looked at Pocket, I looked at it last year for a little while and sort
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of what you led with is why I stay with Instapaper.
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I just really prefer the reading experience but I think overall both are in really good
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I think BetaWorks is in a really good job with Instapaper and I think Pocket's made
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a lot of advancements and so it's good to have competition and I definitely use Instapaper
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kind of the way you just talked about using Pocket where it's not just read it later stuff.
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Sometimes I use Instapaper, even though I have a Pinboard account, just to stash something
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away or like, "Hey, I'm going to link to this this afternoon and just stick it in Instapaper,"
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which isn't great and leads to some noise in there, but the key is what works for you.
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I miss the Instapaper friends section a lot.
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I really like to see what like what Steven or Marco or Myke, I don't think you share
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stuff on Instapaper because you don't read.
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I like to see what Steven does.
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It handles videos just fine.
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I just saved, I mean all the videos are on YouTube anyway, so I just use the YouTube
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watch later function.
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Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
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We don't believe you, Myke, but anyway.
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So what else is getting turned inside out for you, Federico?
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So I have an RSS problem and I realize it's an issue.
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I keep switching between RSS clients, probably because I have too much free time on my hands
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sometimes, but also because I do it for the greater cause.
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That's my excuse for everything.
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So I'm looking for an RSS reader that allows me to see articles inside the folder, sorting
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them by popularity instead of date or name.
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And I don't think this exists.
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I know that Feedly does that to an extent when you go to the website.
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I think there's a popular filter on the homepage.
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And I, but I don't think that any other service has a popularity filter.
01:10:18
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So for context, I switched from Frit Wrangler to Fiddly last year, last summer, because,
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you know, for the same reason, it's just instead of switching in January, I switched in June
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to get a better, a better understanding of what other people are using.
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I think it is a common geek mistake to get too entrenched in a single idea or belief.
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So I switched to Fiddly to see what was up with that.
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Also because two years ago I bought a lifetime Fiddly Pro subscription.
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Yeah, yeah, I know.
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It was like one of 5,000.
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So I think I got a pretty good deal because it was limited.
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But now you're forced to use it.
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No, it's not that I'm forced.
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Let's say that maybe when I use it I don't feel bad, you know, because hey, I'm actually
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So I switched to Feed
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my own here. We still haven't spoke about that cop.
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Yeah that's gonna be a whole episode. News readers.
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Yes, last year I switched from Rangler to Feedly and I used Feedly first with Reader,
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then I switched to Newsyfy, which is a fantastic RSS reader for iOS. And I especially like
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then Newsyfy is fast and it lets you customize the way that you share articles.
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You can assign a single tap and hold on the article list to bring up the system share
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sheet so you can send articles to extensions, which is nice.
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And the app is clean, polished, it's got a premium business model, which I think is really
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smart considering the modern app store.
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But now, I use Twitter lists a lot, and I use Nuzzle to catch up on Twitter and articles
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that people share when I'm away.
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But now I'm wondering, okay, so RSS is my file system for news.
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And I want to be able to open RSS, depending on the time that I have, I want to see either
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all articles from newest to oldest because that's just how I work. I know Steven that
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upsets you because it should be from oldest to newest. You were going to say that, right?
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No. I have stuff set newest to oldest.
01:13:06
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Oh yeah? I must be confused. I think that sometimes you used to say that. Anyway.
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Depending on the time that I have, I want to be able to look at articles, either all
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of them or just the popular ones.
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And yesterday I asked on Twitter, is there a way to sort tweets in a Twitter list by
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popularity based on retweets and faves?
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And it doesn't seem that there's a way to do that, but that would be pretty smart, you
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And I think the problem is that Twitter doesn't care about lists or the list API.
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So my idea was, okay, maybe there's an RSS reader that does this.
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So I was like, okay, I'm using Feedly.
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Is there a way to do this in Feedly?
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I couldn't find a way to sort articles on popularity, whether it's how many people are
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reading these articles or maybe are sharing this article.
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So basically, I signed up in this, I had this realization.
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It was like when you're in the desert and you see water.
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And I signed up for NewsBlur.
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So this is an entirely different RSS service.
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Did you sign up for a lifetime account by any chance?
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No, but yeah, it was really cute.
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there's this single guy making this service and there's a picture of his dog
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and it's like if you pay for the service you're gonna feed my dog for 12 days and
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I thought that was really cute and funny so I signed up...
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That sounds terrible though. Only 12 days!
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Yeah but there's 7,000 people using the pro service.
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Oh well then you only need to feed the dog, the dog's fed.
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So how many days is the dog gonna live if you do 7,000 for 12?
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Do you pay a year? What do you pay?
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You pay a year.
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Yeah, well that's more than...
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80,000 days!
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80,000 days!
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Yeah, see...
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That's 230 years!
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This dog is gonna live a lot with our food.
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Yeah, this dog's fine, man!
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Yes, she's fine!
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But anyway, the picture was really...
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The photo was really cute!
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It's all it takes to put a picture of your dog and Federica will buy your service.
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There was also a problem for me with plaques.
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Every time they have an update, they share, like in the blog post, on the company blog,
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every time there's a new feature, they use a photo of the dog, like Berkeley, the Plex dog.
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And every time I see the Plex blog posts, I want to try out the new features just to feel a connection.
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Anyway, I'm just weird with dogs.
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So there was a picture of a dog and I signed that for NewsBlur, also because there's a real reason, not just a cutesy one.
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NewsBlur lets you... so it's ugly, okay?
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It doesn't look really
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pleasant. It looks like a Windows file system, slightly polished up.
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It's kind of weird really looks like a dashboard for links. I don't know
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It lets you train the service
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titles or authors in
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So if you say, okay
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I want to see more of this topic or I want to see more of this author or I want to see less from this
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specific source. If you train the service with time, there's a focus mode in the
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app. So you can view RSS articles, there's three sections, ALL which shows
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you all articles, UNREAD which shows you new stuff and FOCUS which shows you the
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important stuff. So my idea was, okay, if I train this service enough, maybe one
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day I will be able to to open the app and go to the focus mode and I will see
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all the important stuff. But then again, if I train this service, it is not
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going to be about popularity. It is going to be about the stuff that I instruct
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the service to look for. So it's not strictly about the number of shares and
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the number of hits that an article gets. It's just about keywords and
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stuff. So we'll see. I don't know because NewsBlur also has comments, which is kind
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weird you can comment in an RSS reader because it's kind of like a social
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platform you can follow people there. Search is like it's crazy fast. I
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was able to find RSS articles from 2011 in two seconds. It goes way way back in
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years. I don't know how to do it. I guess that when you give it a subscription it
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tries to load as many articles in the past as possible. That's kind of cool.
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silly, it does look pretty terrible.
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Yeah, I checked it out right after Google Reader died.
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I looked at a lot of services, and it's definitely not real pretty on the eyes.
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But if you use it with a third-party app, I guess you're sort of shielding yourself from that a little bit.
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What do you guys use for iOS these days?
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Feed Wrangler and Unread on my iPhone.
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It's the only service and app that I use.
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Yeah, I use Feedbin for the service and then Unread on iOS and Reader on the Mac.
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So there's no way to, at least in the apps that you guys use, there's no way to sort
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articles based on popularity in RSS?
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No, but I view something like Nuzzle, like Nuzzle for me kind of fills that need.
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I don't necessarily want to look at my news that way all the time.
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So it's a kind of view that's separate from the way I read RSS, but maybe that's just
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RSS and just getting news is not an important thing for me.
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I find out about everything I need to find out about through osmosis on Twitter.
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It just is there.
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People are talking about it.
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I don't have a business which relies on news quickly.
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I don't need to post links and stuff like that.
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And pretty much all of the topics on the shows tend to be what everybody's talking about.
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So I have my last two items.
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Zapier, it's basically an IFTTT for geeks.
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I know that IFTTT is already for geeks.
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This is basically the more advanced version.
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This is for Federico.
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- No, there's plenty of people using it, just not me.
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Don't make me sound like the crazy person every time.
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- You do a good job on Europe.
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- I looked at it actually a couple of weeks ago maybe,
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and it seems really crazy. - It's crazy.
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So it's a web automation.
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You can connect multiple services together.
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IFTT calls them like channels and recipes.
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Zapier calls them like just I think apps and zaps.
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- Yeah, and actions, whatever.
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The terminology is kind of weird,
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but the functionality is amazing.
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So you can do stuff like you can create conditions for IFS.
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You can, there's a free service that you're using
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in combination with Zapier called the Zapier Email Parser,
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which looks for specific strings of text in emails,
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and it can extract that text and use it as a placeholder
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in other actions.
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You can do stuff like--
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it just offers more data when you're
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trying to create an action.
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Like, it allows you to--
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like all the different tags and variables,
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it's just much more, more, more than IFTTT.
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You can create different,
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you can use different accounts for the same service.
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So you can connect like two Google Docs accounts
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or two Twitter accounts,
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and you can view a full history of all your actions
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and whether they worked or not.
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And if they didn't work, you can,
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basically there's a debug mode
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and you can understand why you're not,
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a piece of data is not getting from service A to service B.
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And in general, it's just a more advanced,
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it's basically IFTTT for power users.
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- It's also sort of expensive looking at this pricing.
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- It is expensive.
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I'm paying 20 bucks a month to use this.
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So right now I'm doing stuff like,
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I can post to different Slack channels using email.
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That's kind of nice, but not like a must-have for me.
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What is a nice addition to my workflow
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is I'm getting notifications in pushover, which
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is this notification iOS app.
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Every time specific Twitter accounts or Apple's YouTube
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channel or Apple's press release websites posts a new item, I get a notification on my device
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and because I'm paying for the 20 bucks a month account, I'm getting those notifications in under
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two minutes. They say 15 minutes, it's actually much much faster than that. I would like to have
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like to know that it's not gonna be 15 minutes because in my experience it's never
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been 15 minutes. I'm also using other stuff like I get a notification every time our newsletter goes
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out on MailChimp. What else? I'm doing stuff to like save my RSS articles from Mac stories to a
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Google spreadsheet. So I'm kind of curious to see whether this... because I think I
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I stumbled across many limitations with IFTTT and I want to see whether my problem is the
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lack of options in IFTTT or maybe that I just don't rely on web automation that much.
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I just wanted to shake things up a bit and see what's up with my web automation.
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You guys use IFTTT?
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No, I mean, not really.
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There are a couple of things that IFTTT does for me, but I don't use it as such.
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Like, it's not something that I'm always adding to, like Workflow, which I love.
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Yeah, I play with it, but I don't rely on it for anything on any regular basis.
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I had some stuff like archiving to Evernote note, like Twitter favorites to Evernote,
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that sort of thing, a while ago, but I sort of lost interest in it and I don't think
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I have anything running currently.
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Right then gentlemen, do you have anything else you'd like to add on this week's
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Or are we good?
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Are we good to bring it home?
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I think we're good, Myke.
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I do want to say one thing.
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I don't have the new fav animation that everybody has on Twitter.
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I don't have it.
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Like, I don't know why my app's up today.
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- Are you using Twitter on the iPhone?
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- Yeah. - The iPhone.
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Are you sure? - Yes.
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Am I sure I'm using it on the iPhone?
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No, I'm using it on my Mac.
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Of course it's my iPhone.
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I don't have the animation.
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I have the art animation. - This is your punishment.
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This is your punishment.
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- Twitter A/B test things even within their own app.
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So maybe you're just not in the test group.
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- So I'm in like the B group,
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like the B minus minus group.
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Everyone's like, "I love this animation."
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I'm like, "What are you talking about?
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"It's just the same as it was before."
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There you go.
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- And you're sure you updated the app?
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100% I even deleted it and reinstalled it. Wow. You really wanted it. I
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Don't know why I'm not getting it. The animation is so good Myke. I know everybody I've seen gifts
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I've seen gifts. You really gotta see them in action, man. It's so good. I
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Can't wait until Twitter does something you hate
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Seems impossible
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Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Connected.
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You can find the show notes at relay.fm/connected/21.
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Thanks so much to our sponsors this week, our friends over at Hover and LootCrate.
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If you want to find us online, I am at imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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Federico is @vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and Steven is @ismh.
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Steven writes the fantastic 512 pixels .net, and Federico writes thegreatmaxstories.net.
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And I host many shows at relay.fm, which you can find at relay.fm.
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And thanks so much for listening, we'll be back.
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Say goodbye, boys.
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Adios amigos.
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Adios amigos. Bye!