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00:00:00   you said it all about the m5 leaving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/0">TS</a>]

00:00:03   should pull the engine noise mp3's off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05   the computer you can play them anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5">TS</a>]

00:00:06   you want when you're missing so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/6">TS</a>]

00:00:11   move on to something super exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   let's talk about sequel server on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/14">TS</a>]

00:00:15   because i couldn't even get out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/15">TS</a>]

00:00:16   street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/16">TS</a>]

00:00:18   I tried so hard I could even do it well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/18">TS</a>]

00:00:22   this is kind of interesting right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23   because like you know Microsoft had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/23">TS</a>]

00:00:24   their database sequel server which for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27   forever has required windows server and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/27">TS</a>]

00:00:29   i would imagine a a lot of Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/29">TS</a>]

00:00:32   Server licenses were exclusively to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/32">TS</a>]

00:00:36   Microsoft sequel server so them making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/36">TS</a>]

00:00:39   this are announcing that it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/39">TS</a>]

00:00:40   available for Linux is interesting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/40">TS</a>]

00:00:43   know because that's because that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/43">TS</a>]

00:00:44   again like we we brought up last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   how then bringing dotnet to linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   officially would be you know interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/49">TS</a>]

00:00:52   and have might have a negative effect on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   their windows server licenses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   this will probably have an even bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/56">TS</a>]

00:00:57   negative effect on Windows Server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   licenses so I think what this is showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   is that Microsoft would rather that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03   use dotnet and instead and use windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/63">TS</a>]

00:01:06   and a new sequel server rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/66">TS</a>]

00:01:09   necessarily be stuck to windows server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   and so all the reasons that people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   for for not using Microsoft server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   products now they have 11 big one less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/75">TS</a>]

00:01:18   fewer then bring this up last week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21   don't know maybe I'm misremembering i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   remember talking about the similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/82">TS</a>]

00:01:26   similar issues of like that Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   becoming more friendly to linux and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   people don't like to run linux servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   and windows server is the to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   separate domains of knowledge and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/94">TS</a>]

00:01:37   just run all linux servers linux is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/97">TS</a>]

00:01:38   everywhere in the enterprise and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41   the Microsoft could tell you i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   might have said exchange server for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   linux or something like that but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/105">TS</a>]

00:01:46   and also like the Microsoft could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   it on linux distro eventually and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   wasn't you know that was like last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   and then this announcement came i'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/112">TS</a>]

00:01:53   this announcement Telegraph for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/113">TS</a>]

00:01:54   who pay more attention to Microsoft than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   i do but i had no awareness they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   even close to this but then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   they're went right after last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   show so it and I think christina warren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/122">TS</a>]

00:02:05   was also talking about a microscope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/125">TS</a>]

00:02:06   linux distro around the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   I don't see that is implausible although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/128">TS</a>]

00:02:11   a couple people from Microsoft tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   oh you know we partner with redhead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/133">TS</a>]

00:02:14   so on and so forth and we let them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/134">TS</a>]

00:02:16   what they do best which is to a linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/136">TS</a>]

00:02:17   distro we don't have one or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   if Microsoft pursue this strategy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/139">TS</a>]

00:02:22   basically we will sell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   enterprise software and we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/144">TS</a>]

00:02:27   to be super picky about where you run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/147">TS</a>]

00:02:28   like if I have a lot of customers want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   to run our software on linux fine we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   we'll sell them a version to run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   linux because they're not not though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   everything windows company anymore i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   mean they haven't been for a while now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   since Ballmer left basically maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   before the fair enough it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   interesting push for sure and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   curious to see where this all ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/167">TS</a>]

00:02:51   but i like it i think this is Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/171">TS</a>]

00:02:55   playing to their strengths which we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/175">TS</a>]

00:02:56   talked about you know several times on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   and off in the past so good on Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   moving on we got a lot of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/180">TS</a>]

00:03:04   wrote in to talk about TV mounting over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/184">TS</a>]

00:03:07   fireplace because unsurprisingly a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10   of people were perturbed at where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   mount my TV and we got to recurring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/192">TS</a>]

00:03:16   links which will put in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   and it was a new Weinstock that I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   was the first one in with these links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   one of them is dynamic mounting which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/202">TS</a>]

00:03:27   very similar to the other which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   receive far more often which is mantle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/209">TS</a>]

00:03:30   mount and the two of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/210">TS</a>]

00:03:34   basically allow you to stuff the TV over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37   the fireplace when it's not in use but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   then drop it down kind of in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   the fireplace when you are using it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/221">TS</a>]

00:03:45   these are very clever and things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   would never ever bother with because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   just don't care that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/229">TS</a>]

00:03:50   I would be so nervous about this like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   mean again I i know that you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   amount that's super strong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/234">TS</a>]

00:03:57   everything but man having it having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   TV on the walls bad enough having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   like suspended on this arm that reaches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/241">TS</a>]

00:04:05   like a couple of feet away from the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   it's like thinking like the stresses on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   that mountain oh my god i do I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/249">TS</a>]

00:04:12   sleep a night with that above my TV or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   movies are like it would be fine but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   is kind of weird though because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   room looks weird with your TV kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/258">TS</a>]

00:04:19   hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/259">TS</a>]

00:04:20   in front of the fireplace like I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   it's kind of a solution and the ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/262">TS</a>]

00:04:24   you can push it back up when you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25   the room to look nicer or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   it still seems weird to me and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   final piece of follow-up I had tweeted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   challenge to you / our meeting follows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/271">TS</a>]

00:04:34   that here's the PDF of my owners manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/274">TS</a>]

00:04:37   for my TV make it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   I got a plethora of suggestions most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   which are actually very helpful which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   do appreciate because oftentimes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   twitter that's not the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   tentatively i think it may be fixed it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/287">TS</a>]

00:04:52   been very not reliable and sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/292">TS</a>]

00:04:56   seems to be working right sometimes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   when I say working right what I mean is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/298">TS</a>]

00:04:59   that it doesn't overscan or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   like that it appears to be I I changed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   million things at once because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   terrible debugger apparently when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/307">TS</a>]

00:05:08   comes to these sorts of things anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   think it is basically the showroom mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/310">TS</a>]

00:05:13   or something like it or they some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   of like let me do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/315">TS</a>]

00:05:16   automatically mode when I first change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   that it didn't seem to make a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   then all of a sudden it seemed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   working so gosh only knows but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/321">TS</a>]

00:05:24   positive sign so far so thank you to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   people on Twitter that it sent in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   tips and in theory i think it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   better now so i think both you and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   have had people download PDFs of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/332">TS</a>]

00:05:35   the own and read them for you and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   you how to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/337">TS</a>]

00:05:38   yeah and i think the comment i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   common thread between us here is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   just don't care enough about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/342">TS</a>]

00:05:43   particular thing like Marco does not see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/343">TS</a>]

00:05:45   about about well be sure about finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/345">TS</a>]

00:05:48   the battery in his car he can write as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/348">TS</a>]

00:05:49   ish and about knowing how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/349">TS</a>]

00:05:52   shortcuts on the eye dr for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   personally I think that's a little weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/354">TS</a>]

00:05:55   that he didn't care that much but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   know teach their own and for me I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   not have possibly cared less about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   reading the manual to fix this problem i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03   had lived with it for like six years at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   this point I can live with it some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   however now that it is fixed i am quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   well tentatively i am quite pleased that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   a that you was gonna say i spent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   time but really that the internet spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/374">TS</a>]

00:06:15   the time to read the PDF for me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   thanks internet our first sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19   tonight is fracture go to fracture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/379">TS</a>]

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00:06:27   prints photos directly onto glass colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/387">TS</a>]

00:06:31   pop like you won't believe it even comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   in a solid back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/393">TS</a>]

00:06:33   that's right amount right out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   package all you have to do is stick it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/395">TS</a>]

00:06:36   on the included screw and hang it up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   the wall done it's all really affordable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/398">TS</a>]

00:06:41   to press charges 15 bucks for the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   square size and are very reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/403">TS</a>]

00:06:44   after that fracture prints look great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47   they're all over my hair all over our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   house now there they just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/409">TS</a>]

00:06:50   multiplying and they're everywhere we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   given them as gifts people love these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   things that they complement them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   look great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/416">TS</a>]

00:06:56   it is literally a photo printed on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   piece of glass and you stick it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   wall and that's it you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/421">TS</a>]

00:07:02   frame it you don't worry about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/422">TS</a>]

00:07:03   you know falling off of some little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   weird hanger thing it just works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   they're great they're big they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   beautiful they're lightweight you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/429">TS</a>]

00:07:10   it again no stress involved in hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   on the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/432">TS</a>]

00:07:13   the package has been wonderful we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   never received one that was cracked or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   broken or anything i can do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19   sending a big piece of glass the mail it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21   be risky but now they have to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   covered too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/443">TS</a>]

00:07:24   it is great they make great gifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   they're great for yourself get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/446">TS</a>]

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00:07:29   weird Facebook and Instagram feeds where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   you see them for like a day then they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32   gone forever you know bring them out put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   them on your wall it really makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/454">TS</a>]

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00:08:32   it up in instantly burst into tears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/512">TS</a>]

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00:08:41   it's really good stuff so i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   have some surprise follow-up I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/523">TS</a>]

00:08:46   we were done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/526">TS</a>]

00:08:47   no this is a surprise follow-up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   on my desk right now i have two of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/529">TS</a>]

00:08:54   Apple smart battery cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/534">TS</a>]

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00:09:00   we're going to spend even more time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/540">TS</a>]

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00:09:08   for tiff they only making one size just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/548">TS</a>]

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00:09:12   you're plus already has enough battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13   life anyway I i have my you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   sheep amazon one that I got and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   expressed some concern about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   being not fi certified I'm a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   worried about what am i doing my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/563">TS</a>]

00:09:24   but otherwise it seems alright but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/564">TS</a>]

00:09:25   excited for this trip to 12 and decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   let's try these i'll give it a real shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   a real honest shot and honestly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/570">TS</a>]

00:09:34   pretty good i feel like this is a common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/574">TS</a>]

00:09:38   theme with you all this is crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   fast-forward you know that's not so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   yeah you're right you nobody else would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   ever do that Casey like Apple and BMWs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47   and I've oh no I'm not innocent on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   one I'm not interested I'm just bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   you down to my level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   I understand the appeal of this case now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/593">TS</a>]

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00:09:57   easy to take on and off because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/597">TS</a>]

00:09:58   weird bendy top it does indeed look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/598">TS</a>]

00:10:01   really stupid holding it is actually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   bad because the little ledge from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/603">TS</a>]

00:10:06   from the from the bottom edge of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/606">TS</a>]

00:10:07   bump you actually can rest on your pinky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   and have kind of a nice hand hold their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   almost your job unless you're John but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   if you hold your phone normally you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   you can do that and the smartness aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   of it is really nice where you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   have to turn it on or off like that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/620">TS</a>]

00:10:23   me that is what really sets it apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   above all that all the other ones is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   that is always just automatic and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   you can see its status in here today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   view and then in the batteries which it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   so and when you first plug it in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   shows both side by side shows the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/635">TS</a>]

00:10:36   and your battery so overall it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   actually pretty nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   it still looks stupid it's still big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44   clunky not as big and clunky and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   better cases I've seen and used but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/646">TS</a>]

00:10:49   it's still big and clunky the only major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   downside to it besides it's stupid looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54   I think now having used it really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   only major downside is that the amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/656">TS</a>]

00:10:59   of extra capacity that you get really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/659">TS</a>]

00:11:00   isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/660">TS</a>]

00:11:01   that great it's something I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   know something like two-thirds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/663">TS</a>]

00:11:04   charger half of charge so it is enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07   if you need just a little boost but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   feel like I'm on the flight on the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   out there we both drained our cases down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   to nothing and drained our phones down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   partially just like in in the airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   here and there you know it going in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   out of planes and everything and yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/680">TS</a>]

00:11:21   can plug in the plane but then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   this cable running across your lap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/683">TS</a>]

00:11:24   kind of inconvenient and you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   reason the bag and I was like ideally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/686">TS</a>]

00:11:27   you don't have to so you know ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   it was they did provide enough power but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/689">TS</a>]

00:11:32   it would be nice if they provided more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/692">TS</a>]

00:11:33   like if you're gonna have this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   battery back on your phone at all i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38   would like a little more power than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/698">TS</a>]

00:11:39   this offers other than that pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/699">TS</a>]

00:11:42   i wouldn't say it's a great value for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   the money but is there a hundred bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   and you can get other battery cases for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/706">TS</a>]

00:11:48   like 50 so you know not a great value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/708">TS</a>]

00:11:51   but the fact that you never have to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/711">TS</a>]

00:11:54   on or off it just automatically charges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   your phone as necessary and to please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/716">TS</a>]

00:11:59   yourself first and charges you first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   all those things actually pretty nice so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   that's that's my my abbreviated review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   of the Apple smart better case after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   having mercilessly made fun of it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10   like three episodes did you get a white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   1i got we have one of each color tiff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   insisted on the white I insisted on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/735">TS</a>]

00:12:16   the gray both colors are crappy colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   of the white hasn't this color itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   yet but I'm sure it will soon they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   pick up tons of pocket-lint because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/745">TS</a>]

00:12:26   are the the rubbery silicon material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   physical form why's there exactly is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   mediocre to expect but they do work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/751">TS</a>]

00:12:34   pretty well i would i would only wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   for a little more power over although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   you know it is not terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/758">TS</a>]

00:12:41   I expected to be terrible it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/761">TS</a>]

00:12:42   terrible cool well that's surprising but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/762">TS</a>]

00:12:46   I guess exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   yeah I mean no one i have i have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   battery casings by lenmar and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/770">TS</a>]

00:12:54   mean it's okay it's a little bit clunky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/774">TS</a>]

00:12:58   but i think they have a newer one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   actually now that's thinner this 1i got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   with my six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   I like it works fine but it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/784">TS</a>]

00:13:08   big and large and I'm I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/788">TS</a>]

00:13:12   I'd say heavy but certainly not light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   so it's it's alright and i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   maybe if I were to do it again maybe I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   get one of these like you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   honest I did get one of those battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   packs that you would recommended what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   who makes it again already volt ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/805">TS</a>]

00:13:28   that's right it's got to be reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   how could it not be yeah $25 my company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/810">TS</a>]

00:13:33   you've never heard of that has all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34   little flimsy cables on it it's it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   most of the time why not it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   exactly what you'd expect for a $25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/818">TS</a>]

00:13:39   battery that's fair and i got one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   those that on your recommendation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/822">TS</a>]

00:13:43   I guess was on someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   recommendation first it the one I got is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   a truly hideous gold color because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/827">TS</a>]

00:13:50   was the only one that was available at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   the time I don't even see it on amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53   anymore so maybe that's been updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   since then but I'm it's too it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/835">TS</a>]

00:13:58   tacky even for amazon seriously so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/838">TS</a>]

00:14:02   so it i haven't traveled with it yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   I i am going on a trip soon with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   plethora of other people and I presume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/847">TS</a>]

00:14:10   it will be a mixed crowd of iphones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/850">TS</a>]

00:14:13   android phones and it was appealing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   me that this would have a connection for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   each because I'm a nice guy like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   we'll see how it goes if my phone melts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/859">TS</a>]

00:14:22   then you can laugh at me and said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/862">TS</a>]

00:14:23   shouldn't say I should have gotten the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/863">TS</a>]

00:14:24   smart battery case i'm not sure i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   ever tell somebody they should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   gotten the smart battery case like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   not that good and it is fairly expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   again you know again it's expensive for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/872">TS</a>]

00:14:35   the capacity you get but again it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/875">TS</a>]

00:14:38   really nice not to have to manage it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   likes like flip it on and flip it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   like that part is really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   yeah that makes sense yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/884">TS</a>]

00:14:45   ultimately I this this might be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/885">TS</a>]

00:14:48   convincing me that I should probably go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/888">TS</a>]

00:14:49   with go 27 plus when the seven comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   but we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   don't do it man Mike might have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   right duh don't do it man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   now you know what what's what's pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   more and more towards that as time goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   on not only my battery preferences but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/901">TS</a>]

00:15:05   also i I really don't use iPads and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   I i have I I at least didn't get myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   a pro and I'm probably not going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   myself the new you know pro mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/912">TS</a>]

00:15:15   whatever whatever the heck they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   to call the the new ipad air with pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   support and pro speakers and pro like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/919">TS</a>]

00:15:22   styling you know whatever the the rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/922">TS</a>]

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00:22:49   files and encrypt them yet you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:52   correct so this was a bit of an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   and the biggest issue is it was signed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:58   mean it was a valid mac app not for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:03   app store of course but it was a valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:04   mac app as far as your your installation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:07   palestine was concerned because was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:08   signed with a valid development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   certificate shady perhaps because was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   coming from a very different place than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   the normal transmission sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   geographically speaking but it was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   a valid cert so it was a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:22   cluster to say the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:23   what do you think about this well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:26   big angle that a lot of people started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   going for was hey if this was on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:31   app store this would never have happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:32   and that baby is true because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:36   you're relying on the App Store as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:37   guess a preview to realize that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:41   supposed bittorrent client if you wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:45   couple days and it starts encrypting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   your files maybe they wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:48   noticed that because again it does wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   a couple days maybe they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:51   wait out a preview like the FB app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   reviewer launch this app and tried using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:56   it it would work as expected does app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   review like leave it on the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   running for a couple days or leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   around like that maybe it would have got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:04   past app review as well but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   that's one angle on the other one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:08   that the developer ID signing thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:12   that Apple has a have created with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:15   gatekeeper means that you download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   they come in three forms totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:22   unsigned you know pre gatekeeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   applications which is how every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25   madcap was and all the years before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   gatekeepers who created the applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:30   that are signed with a developer ID but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   don't come to the mac app store and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   Mac App Store applications that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   like three levels of I guess trust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   totally untrusted one doesn't require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   anything for you download a binary you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:41   run into runs and that's you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:44   the way Mac apps were for most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:47   life of the mac the developer ID ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   all that does is tie it back to an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:52   developer account which presumably ties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:55   back to a person or institution or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:56   somebody you can hold responsible or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   whatever that's kind of relying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:00   Apple's signup process to correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:04   identify somebody so like can you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:07   through can you get apple developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:08   certificate putting in totally fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:10   probably but that's that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   thing that developer ID is giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   that well two things one that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   application hasn't been modified in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   anyway which is kind of weird like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   was wasn't transmission modify well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:24   didn't just modify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25   they reassigned it so after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   modified they signed it with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:28   developer certificate and that's extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   difficult authenticated the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   yes this thing if someone modify this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   thing after you downloaded you'll know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   about it because the signature won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:37   match but what you're worried about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   somewhat modified it and then signed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   and it is it is it you know I valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:45   container for their malware somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:46   would try to mess with their malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:47   signing would have caught it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:50   the mac app store like it's the next leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   up where there's actual human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:53   looking at your application and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   sure it's okay so why wasn't this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:56   application on the mac app store my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:57   understanding is the mac app store is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:59   not allowed back to our clients at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:00   you guys know if that's the case that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01   right i believe that to be true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   quick real-time follow up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05   encryption would never have worked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:06   sandboxing so even if it made it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   app review it we wouldn't have been able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   to touch the rest of the hours they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   can't get through to the finals I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   in reality like this is a bittorrent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:16   client so it needs to be able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   torrent downloads to a directory and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:22   what would probably happen is yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   could use sandboxing to you know have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   public dialogue and have you choose the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:28   directory where it can write much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   likely would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   even if it was sandbox outside of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   guests or even a sandboxed they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   probably be some option where the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:38   we'll just you know we need to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   your whole drive to make some features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:41   easier to make this flow better and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44   people would say okay you can't even get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   that you can't even get that what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   calls an entitlement anymore i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:49   think you're right well so they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:50   wouldn't be sandbox and nobody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:52   you know like it so yeah you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   would make it useful in the app store is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57   the sandboxing requirement of the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   store which is problematic in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   other ways but in this particular case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   that would have helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   however the reality is as long as there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   is a way to download apps that aren't in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   the app store on the mac something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   a bittorrent client is almost certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   going to be a little outside of the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17   store by almost all the tutors just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   because dealing with the appstore kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:20   of sucks even as user these days and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23   can make a better bit torrent app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   without sandboxing so where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:28   developer ID thing really came in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   is like this transmission could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   been the third kind of application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   i said not not signed with any stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   just a binary that you downloaded sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:37   of an old-style mac app and if that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   been the case and tons of people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   downloaded and start encrypting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:42   drives there there would be no real way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:46   to help them other than education saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   hey if you accidentally downloaded this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   from this website during this time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   probably got infected version you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   delete it and do this and do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:54   here's how to disinfect your system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   so on and so forth but because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   signed with the developer ID Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   revoke the certificate of that developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   ID through the little sneaky update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   thing that we just described the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   checkbox if we didn't think was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06   the reason regular users should keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   that checkbox checked is that the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:11   canada has central control to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:12   that this thing doesn't launch anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:14   we actually are getting real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   follow-up from mr. the chat saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   applicant blacklist any binary through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   that system including unsigned one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   well in developer ideas and wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   helping at all that's a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   yeah that's alright so what was a what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:29   were the makers of transmission getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:33   out of using developer ID I suppose they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   make people might have to go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:36   gatekeeper settings and put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38   most insecure mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:39   well no you can also what is it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   click and go in and select open and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   it will say oh my god are you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:48   and then you can say yes yes I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   sure yeah i was saying what do you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:52   do you get out of the developer ID thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:53   as a developer i guess you get less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   scary experience for users because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   don't require them to go to settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   they don't understand change it in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01   that pops up warning dialog boxes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:04   yeah you you don't require them to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   right-click and select open the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   time they run the app and I got that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   to the extra scared like they still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   the scary this application download from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   the internet dialogue but if they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   double-click on a nap under default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   settings that is unsigned it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   then run it it says I'm sorry is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   side and then you have like right click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   and say open then then so it lets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   bypass all of that which you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:29   do if you're distributing mac apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32   this day and age that you should almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   always have at least developer idea if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   not the app store and of course in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   theory you can track it back to whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   whatever Apple Developer account signed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:45   the bad piece of and again that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:46   disconnect detective work can you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   someone who you want to hold responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   they put valid information are they in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53   country hit that has a legal system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   lets you find them or help them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   accountable in some way i'm assuming not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   i mean the other alternative suggestions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   that room is that maybe it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03   legitimate developer they got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   developer account hacked someone got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   into the developer county they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07   getting their password doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:08   some other way to get into the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:11   there's also been a couple of bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:12   around that make it seem like you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   exploit gatekeeper to execute arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   software as if it's trusted those have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   been surmised than in years past but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:23   there's so many ways you can hide from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:27   the consequences of doing this bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   that that's like the maker of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32   ransomware like they're there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   bad actor here are they going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   caught and punished we have the tools to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   do that maybe maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   probably not i mean the and not everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:43   is somewhere where you can get at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   so anyway x protect the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   downloads the law updates in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   background and disables things a likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   that driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52   it may have it may have disabled your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55   ethernet driver one week but the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   week it may have saved you from getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   your files encrypted by ransom or yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:02   mean that this is one of those cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:03   where most of the time the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:08   angles that like big business tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:11   try to scare people with to scare them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   away from piracy is well you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   pirate stuff you never know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   getting it could be dangerous you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   get hack you could get malware you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   and most of the time that doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25   with piracy like most of the time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   fine and that's one of the reasons so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   many people do it but this is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:32   one time where they were actually right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   let's work you know that we really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:38   protection from gatekeeper and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   sandboxing and you shouldn't pyar things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   because you're putting yourself at risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:43   than living random software for many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   places like this is the one time where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   that was actually true but that being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   said I think this made for interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   news and it could prompt some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   interesting discussions for these few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   days but i don't think this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   meaningfully change anything for anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   it's estimated that I think somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:02   said that the total number of downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:03   with the malware included was only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:06   something like 6,000 which for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   like this that's not that giant of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   number and then you know Apple fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:14   quickly blacklisted the binary so it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:17   probably didn't even trigger the malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   like the encryption step of the malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   for most of those people so I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   know this doesn't seem like it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   big of an event it's it's more about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29   know what it what how we're all talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:30   about like you know does this change our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:34   our opinions of what the max should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   where it should go security on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   and that I think is a conversation worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:39   having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:40   but this particular matter i think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   mostly a non-event and interestingly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   wasn't like pirated software that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   infected it was the software used to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   the packets of expenditures slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   different but and movies and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:54   yeah and this is kind of a shame as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   as developers like this whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:59   applications basically can't be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   mac app store for a policy reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   setting aside all the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:04   you're talking about Marco about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05   well the good ones would want full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:06   access to your drive and it's less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   going to use but even just like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:09   they're categorically denied because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   think BitTorrent clients are are just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   a category a thing that we don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   the max are for App Store for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   reason if you're a developer who makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   bittorrent client and you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   like do as good a job as you can do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   being in the mac app store you would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   a developer ID and you would sign your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   application and you would do all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   things but you know everybody you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   everyone gets bored sometimes I they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35   could you could end up getting act so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   they could hack your website they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:38   shove a little thing inside your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   downloadable application bundle and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:44   reputation is smeared because everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   you know thanks that was whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   knew about it or not it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   transmission isn't that thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   encrypts your drive and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   like I feel like they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:55   everything they could within the bounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:59   of the technology and the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   sort of the the rules of the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   they're operating in and I I feel bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   that they had a bad result that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:09   blame the developers and I i do give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:12   credit to apple for having the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:15   for in putting in the system that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   put in so many years ago to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:18   the ability to deal with this but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:22   does make me feel a little bit less safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24   about downloading applications on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   Mac because I you know I downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   plenty of applications not for the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:29   app store or from the mac app store for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   that matter and every single one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   those is exploitable through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   non-technological means like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   available mac app store application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   I don't have any faith that app review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   would correctly detect some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   clever sleeping you know it waits a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:46   and then it wakes up and does something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47   bad do your thing and all that it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   for that to happen is for someone to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   some poor legitimate developers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:54   developer account password and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:57   you mock up one of their builds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:00   submitted build our while they're away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   on vacation or do something else like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   that's just like a social engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:04   has nothing to do with technology as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06   as the entire tech stack is concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:07   this would be a completely validated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   approved Mac application and they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   sandbox and everything like that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:15   you know that is there a way to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16   of the sandbox within the bounds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   samba sandbox can do all sorts of damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   probably like you could turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   camera you could capture keystrokes type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24   into that application who knows what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:25   can do so like there's there is no truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:29   safe scenario and I I wonder exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:34   much safer users are overall if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:37   applications if we assume a gap store is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:40   a superior level of security to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   developer ID it seems to me that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   category of application that is just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   allowed on the mac app store for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:48   reason is potentially decreasing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   security of users over what they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   be if the mac app store is it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   permissive in terms of sure you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58   a bittorrent client like it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2158">TS</a>]

00:35:59   we don't we don't say those things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   you know no matter what we don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   those things are just evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05   we don't care how you use the bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:06   legitimate uses for the most fun plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   of linux distros and stuff that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   distributed by a bittorrent because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   a fast way to download stuff all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:14   software dangerous be careful out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:17   oh man this is like that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   argument I I one of the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:20   arguments for Apple to actually improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23   the mac app store and sandboxing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:26   right now to have a situation where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:29   mac app store is just beyond disrepair i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:33   mean it's its seemingly totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   unstaffed there's the app itself that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:38   that is this you know the store app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   runs is horrible its buggy it's messy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:43   it's inconsistent it's outdated i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   it's it's just I'd say it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   worst apps Apple ships right now is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   Mac App Store app the service behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   is spotty at best review times for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:56   developers are lengthy and inconsistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:59   way worse than iOS and you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:03   technical requirements sandboxing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:04   while great in theory is a huge pain for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07   developers because it has also been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   kinda half baked in its implementation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   and also effectively unmaintained so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:17   know and and I i want to i want to maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:18   get to Steve trend Smith's post about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:21   his WC predictions that came up couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:22   weeks ago and and his statement that Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   os10 is a dead platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   I i want to maybe get to that but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30   maybe this might lead us into that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:31   little bit but it just seems like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   know Apple started down this path with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   the appstore sandboxing that they kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   of the they said all right here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   future here's how we're gonna do this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   gonna be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41   they started and then it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   nothing has changed since the mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   store launched a except the introduction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   sandboxing which came shortly after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   and then it seems like nothing has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   changed with sandboxing since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:53   either so we have a situation now where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   we have what is in theory a great system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:59   that could in theory protect people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:02   max better and have more secure software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:03   and it easier distribution but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   practice the implementation of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:07   system has been fairly mediocre and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10   been almost untouched for years so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:15   Apple really wants to improve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:16   security of the Mack what they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   do is make these things better make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:21   know make the app store and sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:24   able to support more apps so that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   apps can do it and make them good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   that the developers are are incentivized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   that they actually want to be in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   store and they actually want to adopt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   sandboxing but it just seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:37   there's like nobody you know driving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   ship or whatever if you had been looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:43   the show and see what a scene we push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:44   that down for next week and if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   not been on vacation you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   heard me talk about that exact question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:48   on upgrade i didn't want but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   know I spoiler alert i haven't listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   yet i was saving it for my car ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   coming up to my right but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:56   reject one of the topics that Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:57   suggested because i wanted to save it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   for the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:00   no thanks buddy and it was not that 1i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:04   think there's some ground to cover here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:05   that you guys didn't cover upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:06   because you know you you you made a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:10   case for what the mac is and what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:13   should be which I can summarize if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   you'll permit is basically like the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:18   should be like the rock like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   stable reliable platform that's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   boring to get updates but is stable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   reliable and i agree there's one option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   the other option was you do another OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   10 type transition right sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   honestly though I don't really see Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:37   doing that I mean I could hear i hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   i'm wrong but it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   like the devoted enough resources to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   mac anymore to really do any more big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:46   transitions I i think the era of big mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   transitions over and that might that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   might be good it's probably not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   ultimately it seems like modern-day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:57   Apple seems to have this this severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:59   problem of of basically just like as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:03   mentioned before like the kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:04   drive-by updates because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   really have enough people that are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   permanently staffed on on major parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   their engineering stuff anymore like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:13   seems like so much of apples engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:17   resources or are being devoted to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:20   things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:21   iOS TV watch a car and most likely you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:26   know other things like that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   like they they keep moving the town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:29   around so much that there's just nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:33   left working on things on boring old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   things like the mac and we haven't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   seen how they can how they can do their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39   current platform yet like we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   even seen what happens with watch OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:44   TV OS this year they're each you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   less than a year old at what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   wilda's Apple have the the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   capacity to keep mac OS IRS on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:56   iphone and the ipad which are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   quite different these days TV OS watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01   OS and the future karo as they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:04   capacity to maintain all of those to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   healthy level from what we've seen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   far I think the answer is probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   the questions that cannot be what gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   back bird what gets put in cases parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   lot full of white cars look it's ignored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   you know and I think usually it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   the mac and the ipad that's usually what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   gets ignored this year you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   ipad got some attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:24   we'll see what happens as time goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   but they probably are not in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:29   position where they're going to devote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   tons of engineering talent the mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34   that's unfortunate and it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   amateur platform that doesn't need a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   of attention but I I again I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   concerned whether they'll be able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   any kind of big changes in the future so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   I think it's more likely that we'll keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   it on its current path of basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   being the nice boring thing that most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:51   us use and depend on very heavily for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54   work but it doesn't look a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57   attention from Apple don't have it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:00   much about their capacity to do it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   like that they're going to put resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   towards things with growth potential and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:06   regardless of the size of the mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   how it may be growing big the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   feels that the potential growth that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   does not warrant putting lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16   resources behind it versus say the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:19   where it's conceivable that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   believe that the watch is like the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   of a whole wearables thing and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   potential upside is huge so we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   to put a lot of time and effort into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   watch then we'll see the growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:31   potential is there for the mac i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:32   the company feels like most customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:35   and observers of the industry feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   there is not a tremendous growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   potential in personal computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:41   traditional personal computers anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   so when it comes time to allocate apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:47   billions of dollars it's easier to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   the argument for the car or the watch or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:52   even the TV because they're also smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   sonu or so non-existent that is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:57   easy to spin out a tale of potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   huge growth that will start down here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   and the graph will go way up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:03   whereas the mac if it has to argue for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   its resources it can show what its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:08   revenue is and how it's going faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   than the industry and has taken a chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   for Windows PCs but they say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   is the mac going to be four times the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:16   the size it is in a couple years they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   have to say well no probably not and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   maybe they just don't get the resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   on before we go too far deeper on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:26   because I think this might take a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/2606">TS</a>]

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00:52:40   little action happening they're all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:41   actions of iOS and obviously a big part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:44   of that is that developing apps on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:47   has a bigger market you know you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   can sell more people there's more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   shopping in the app store so like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   chances of you making a ton of money by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   being on top chart it is higher on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58   probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3178">TS</a>]

00:52:59   but there is a big part of this too on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:03   the Mac where the mac does not run uikit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06   the mac runs app get its own you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   older framework that was kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   you like it but when you write apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   iOS you run against this this newer kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15   of cleaner more modern framework and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   when you write up for the Mac you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:18   right against this crusty or older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   framework that has a lot more baggage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:21   and legacy in it at UI kit was cut up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   for iOS kind of like you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:26   new version of the UI framework with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   the lessons they've learned from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:29   advocate over the years and the mac has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:32   gotten some of those lessons ported back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   to it from iOS four developers to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   things easier but but but i think still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   not most of them and I think as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:45   developer who came here kinda threw iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   and and who and I i currently have not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:51   don't have any mac apps that I've that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   I've released or that i'm working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:56   really don't get too crazy at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3236">TS</a>]

00:54:00   sorry so you know I that I would be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:04   much more likely to to put effort into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:07   mac apps if they used a version of UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:10   kit and I've tried app kid I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:14   making as before and I'm sure if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:17   if I was you know entirely motivated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   do it i plowed through and learn and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:22   would be fine and learned that kid I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23   tolerating doesn't know be fine but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26   fact is right now the fact that I that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   have to learn this similar but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:31   fairly different UI framework on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:35   to make mac apps that is a big barrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38   that is discouraging me from doing it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   you have a combination of no UI kit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:43   the mac plus the crappy appstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:46   situation plus the fact that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   smaller market to begin with I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   that the something there has to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:53   for developers to be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   making mac apps and right now it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   like nothing is on the horizon for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   of those things to change you know app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   get proponents or experts can make all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:05   the same all the same arguments that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   that shouldn't matter that people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:10   me make about Swift not being necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   thank you you can you can look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   you can say well you know I could learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   objective-c but he'll these ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   brackets I don't want to and Swift comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21   along eventually and it switches getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   a lot of people into into iOS and mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:26   development who weren't there before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:27   because they just didn't want to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   objective-c a similar kind of effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:32   could happen on the mac with with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:33   like it you know if they brought uikit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   in some in some form obviously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:38   couldn't be identical but if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:39   brought in some form to the mac i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   that would that would really bring in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   lot of developer interest and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45   help a reignite third-party interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:49   the mac as an application platform so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:54   hear us and we're not the only ones talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:58   about well the mac app store is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   dumpster fire which shrank it kind of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:03   nobody's doing much for the ipad these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:07   days by in large obviously federico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:12   amongst others would would disagree but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:13   certainly there's a lot of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16   are paying a lot of attention the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   you're not paying much attention to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   ipad Marco for example and opaque [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:23   upfront apps are a dumpster fire you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:27   didn't me that's poor way of phrasing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   but they don't really work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   the only thing that's even slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   working seems to be free with in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   purchase so I feel like the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:38   and again we're not the only ones say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   the mac app store Sox ipad app store Sox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   the iphone app store store has a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   great options but it sucks to make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   and they are we crazy like there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:52   of apps in the App Store and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   lot of stuff getting made every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   day so why like either were a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3416">TS</a>]

00:57:00   crazy or it's just not as dire as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03   think it is it does that make sense like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   it just the the situation cannot be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:08   bad as we're painting it that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:09   confusing different kinds of badness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   alright so one kind of badness is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:15   the fact that it doesn't seem to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   lot of people making new mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   applications like that there's every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   week there are thousands of new mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:21   applications most of which may be crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   but every once in a while there's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:24   like there's not a lot of activity not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   lot of churn not a lot of like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   lot of there's not a growing base of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:30   customers to sell to that base is small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:31   and there's not tons and tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   developers knocking on door to make tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   of new mac apps so that's one kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   ailment because if you have a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:38   market and not many people are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:41   new applications for that platform the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:42   platform feels kind of crappy the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   has the opposite problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:45   everybody wants to make an appt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:46   everybody's making a nap and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   just all climbing all over each other to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   get the last scraps and figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:51   to exploit people to extract money was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   touched so many apps is too many apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   the app store it's not because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:56   don't care about the iphone people care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   about the iphone a lot like there's tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   of developers as tons of apps and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   the things you described about their but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:03   all you can have paid upfront apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   blah blah that's a symptom of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   entirely opposite problem which is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   know too much activity lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   competition lots of people trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:13   figure out how to get money and plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:16   of people getting rich on on the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   store like enough people that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:19   attracts other people right from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   outside it looks like all you hear about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:22   the stories of the five developers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:24   are getting red trainer realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   there were 10,000 have submitted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:27   week right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:28   and none of those people are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:29   rich p there's enough people getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:31   rich that it seems like thats place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   go everyone has phones huge market even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   if the market is growing its still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   tremendous so but there's just two ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   of the spectrum the phone in the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:40   both of which have problems but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   totally opposite problems I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:45   would kill to get a little bit of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46   iOS App Store problem on the Mac we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   all we can't handle the the overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   everytime everytime I look at the maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   or there's 10,000 new applications i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:54   can't handle it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:54   that just doesn't happen right so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:57   then in the middle the ipad i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   has more of the max problem where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:01   like yeah there's lots of applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:02   that you can run on the ipad but not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:04   lot of them really take advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   what's different about the ipad you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:08   so the big complaint now is that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   are IRS applications that already run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   the ipad but don't take advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:13   split-screen or don't support the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:16   pros display or both and why don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   update them well it turns out that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:21   even though the iOS platform has tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   customers the ipad subset is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:26   smaller and so it's more like the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:27   where like if I had to spend some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   going to make sure that my iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   application is updated for the iphone 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   whatever new features that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:34   and then maybe when I have time I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   update the if i get around to it update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   mud the ipad version of my iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   application to take advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:42   something that only works on the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:43   ipad like split screen or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:46   you're right that there's something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:47   complain about everywhere but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:48   think it's I don't think it's as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:51   we're saying that they all have the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53   problem they have very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55   problems with very different causes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   very different solutions so it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   very different solutions so it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   doesn't seem to be a contradiction to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   i guess that's fair i don't know it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:04   seems weird that all three platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:08   seem to have some really really systemic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:11   issues and i'm not saying that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:15   those issues aren't real i'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:16   that they're not extremely important but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:19   I don't know just how does Apple not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:23   either not care or not fix this or we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3623">TS</a>]

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01:00:34   just us so many people feel like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3634">TS</a>]

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01:00:41   of care given to it from apple and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   presume that there is care but as usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   it's all happening internally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3646">TS</a>]

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01:00:58   something that we all hear from our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3658">TS</a>]

01:00:59   developer friends and that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:00   true is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3660">TS</a>]

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01:01:05   good application on the mac minute is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   iOS because if you have a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:08   application iOS guess what there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3668">TS</a>]

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01:01:11   iOS if you have a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   application on the mac there are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   thousands of really good applications in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   the mag especially not thousands in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   category whatever kind of application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:19   that you made and for whatever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   again it may just have to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:22   physical size or whatever you can tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   to charge more for the mac vs not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   tremendously more these days but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:27   more so if you are super talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30   developer and you can make a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:33   application in a category that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36   overcrowded on any platform if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:39   it a mac application charge 999 for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:42   even though you will sell far fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:43   copies you will make up for it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   fact that you'll see he'll sell you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   make more money on the mac and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3709">TS</a>]

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01:01:54   there is like well you can make the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   application you can make an iOS and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:57   knows maybe we'll take you longer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3717">TS</a>]

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01:02:06   the the average price of applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09   sold on the mac the ones that are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:10   free is higher than Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   and mac users are still willing to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:14   money for good applications and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:16   application really will stand out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   because you don't have to compete with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:19   thousands and thousands of other really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   talented developers who may have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   same idea for an application in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:24   categories you and that's because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:27   the opposite the type of behavior if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   look at someone like a family who does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   both things they have great Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:34   applications that they charge real money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36   for ninety-nine cents and they also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38   companion iOS applications and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   they're finding a way to play to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:45   strengths of each platform like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   should make a mac application because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:48   their applications are complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   sophisticated and we can charge high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:51   prices for the mac users will pay it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53   whereas if we have sophisticated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:54   complicated applications that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   won't work on iOS because that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:59   not a platform that supports its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   complexity and if it does work we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:02   to charge less money and on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:03   hand people want to you to have access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:06   to the data on-the-go and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:07   forth will make a series of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:08   applications which will be high priced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:11   for iOS applications but still lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   price than like a $99 madcap or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   and it will be a virtuous cycle you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   be able to use your you know your mac in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19   your iOS applications together like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   is possible to take advantage of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23   ecosystems as they exist and make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:26   off of it and do a good job but on the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   feel like it's kind of grandfathered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   and that they have the expertise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33   talent and experience on the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:34   platform and have expanded out into iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36   if I think of like where is the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   nominee coming from is there going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:39   company that starts up now that has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:42   deep expertise on the mac and is able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:45   make amazing mac applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47   charged reasonable prices for their also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:49   make companion iOS applications i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:52   know how many of those are popping up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   whereas an iOS is that since there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   so many people because the numbers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   so big even if a fraction of a fraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   of a percent of them end up striking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:02   it's enough that you register story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04   day like some story about the class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   people might clash of clans how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:07   millions and millions of dollars they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:08   making off of that stuff there's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:12   much activity so many customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:13   happening happening in iOS that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:15   attracting people whereas the mac i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   don't see I don't see it attracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20   people even I felt better in the days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   like text me where it's like what's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:23   a text editor coming on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   we heard of this text may text editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   how dare you try to make a text editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   everyone knows text our market is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3867">TS</a>]

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01:04:32   competitors here but text was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34   popular and it could have been a going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:38   concern if if the mac market had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:41   enough to you know make the maker of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   text made as much money to clash of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3883">TS</a>]

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01:04:47   still be making that and we wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:50   market wouldn't be using textmate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   whatever all versions using now he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54   still making it tues and cut in beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:55   with constant updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3895">TS</a>]

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01:05:06   the text editors are an exciting field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3906">TS</a>]

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01:05:09   people do on the mac and it's not as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3909">TS</a>]

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01:05:19   right and they usually have to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:22   iOS counterpart no one's interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3922">TS</a>]

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01:05:34   really silly the hoops that someone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:40   federico jumps jumps through and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:43   deep respect for Federico but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   silly to me the hoops that federico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   jumps through in order to accomplish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3947">TS</a>]

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01:05:52   simple on the mac and we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3952">TS</a>]

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01:05:55   about signing a PDF from my ipad and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:59   dealing with scans and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3959">TS</a>]

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01:06:13   very anti ipad and then now is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3973">TS</a>]

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01:06:23   like they feel like I'm missing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:26   and in Federico's case it is deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/3986">TS</a>]

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01:06:40   mac and a tethered phone but it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4000">TS</a>]

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01:07:06   was saying on his post is OS 10 really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4026">TS</a>]

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01:07:12   seems like maybe we're the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:13   missing the boat means going to London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:16   me and where I'm going to want an ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:17   pro I'm actually I pee sitting next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:20   my bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4040">TS</a>]

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01:07:24   am also a very I would maybe not develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:27   but a very frequent ipad user i love my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4047">TS</a>]

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01:07:32   million years look to my ipad to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   something done over looking at my mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:38   even even to some degree the typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:42   things like consumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4062">TS</a>]

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01:07:45   would probably choose my ipad over my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   back but damn near anything else man i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4067">TS</a>]

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01:07:56   it's not that the mac is faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   quicker and better i'm sure empirically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   it is but you know what i mean like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4080">TS</a>]

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01:08:03   and i have severely OS 10 colored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4083">TS</a>]

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01:08:19   know most skeptical of new things most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   defensive my old ways of the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4101">TS</a>]

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01:08:27   out of the three was I think that being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   said I have no problem with people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:32   can do tons of their worker all the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   on the ipad so I wish I could honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:36   because there's a number of advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:39   22 going all ipad you know obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:42   there's the physical advantages that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:44   iPads are smaller and lighter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:48   have better battery life usually then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:49   then the most mac laptops but also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:53   know that's kind of where Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   attention is now again that being said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   wouldn't necessarily assume that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:00   ipad version of iOS is going to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:03   apples attention from airline has it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   but it didn't have much attention for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   years and as we see Apple getting pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:11   all the different directions as they try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   to tackle everything all at once with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15   limited engineering resources and a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:18   ways that they're unwilling to budge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   that will make it hard for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:23   attract more engineering talent that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25   get as much as they need things like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:28   know remote workers salaries terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30   employment stuff like that just make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   hard for them to attract certain talent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:35   it's only a matter of time before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:39   ipad falls out of the spotlight for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:43   apple like that will it's only a matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   of time before the resources that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:46   devoted to making iOS 9 really great on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49   the ipad and getting the ipad pro at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:51   door and and getting the multitasking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53   and something that like you know getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   with the special things for the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:56   that are in iOS it's only a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:59   time before those resources are put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:00   somewhere else before the attention is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   directed somewhere else in apple so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   don't necessarily expect the ipad 2 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   be Apple star platform for long but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:11   right this second it is so right this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:14   second if you are a person who gets all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:16   your work done or a lot of your phone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:18   an iPad this is a great time to be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:19   of those people because you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   cool new stuff from Apple you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:23   recently and seemingly you might get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:25   little bit more soon right who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:27   we'll see what iOS 10 does but it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:30   of nice to be like an apple sweet spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:33   like where they're where they're putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:34   their attention where they're putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:35   you know their resources and and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38   and with like to do the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:39   alright so that that's nice but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:42   to me it's it doesn't stick right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:46   the ipad a it to me it does feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   jumping through tons of hoops but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:52   just the work i do and that's the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:53   of use that I that I do is the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55   user I am is what I'm used to you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57   think personal computers with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:01   keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:01   word mouse big monitor a desk a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:04   time I think that world is going to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:07   for a long time I don't think it is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:10   dire as a lot of people have said but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:13   also i totally don't begrudge anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   else for using whatever they think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17   better and and whatever they're most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   comfortable with because for them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21   iPads and phones maybe for me it's max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:24   and that's fine you know and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:28   only problem is that that it is pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30   apple and all these different directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:31   is pulling their resources with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33   these different directions and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   that could be a bit of a problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   we've seen it become a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   problem so far with just like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   that get ignored and things that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:42   elected and things that get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   drive-by updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:46   I i hope they can find a way to resolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   this but I'm not hopeful about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:53   chances that actually happening I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:54   know I i really hope I'm wrong with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:57   this and you know that over the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:59   couple years they proved us wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:00   and we see major significant changes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:04   the app stores and you know Mac OS gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:07   notable updates and they keep updating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   all their new product lines not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   know what you like the ones that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   getting a lot of tension forever but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:16   don't see any evidence that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:17   heading in that kind of direction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:18   that's that's my concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:19   yeah and i don't mean to begrudge those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:22   that prefer to use an iPad it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:24   it's hard for me to understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26   that's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:29   I mean other than the mobility which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   is pretty much on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:32   unequivocal I just don't get why that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34   better and i think what i really should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   be saying is that for me it's not better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:40   and i don't mean to begrudge that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   better for my core federico or anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:45   else I'm just saying for me it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:46   for me to wrap my head around why that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:49   would be better and I think Marco you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:50   made a great point that a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:51   release the fact that now I'm living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:53   xcode previously i was living in vmware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:54   fusion that's that's my day-to-day job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:56   works for a lot of these people that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:58   not their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4378">TS</a>]

01:12:59   also you know what I said earlier all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   the action in the app store like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   action and apps is happening iOS right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:06   now like if if you make use of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:10   cool new modern apps to do pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:13   anything too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:14   different workflows and maybe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:16   doing like photo editing and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:17   use a cool plugins and effects and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   everything all that action is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   iOS iOS if you want to play games ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:24   game from a kind of miserable most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:25   the time like all the action for cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:30   new absolute being developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   cool new workflows cool new things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:34   can do with your computer most of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:36   is happening on iOS most of the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:40   in particular but some of it is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:42   getting back into the ipad on the mac it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   you know there's no action to be had you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:46   know Mac Mac apps are seemingly either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:49   like in in stasis or dying like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:53   like an aperture gone you know logic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:56   final cut are like barely supported you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:59   have third-party apps that are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:01   wither on the vine a lot of times it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:03   it's tough it's it's a little scary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:07   be a Mac user right now as we see kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09   of a big part of the world moving on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:13   know a big part of apples and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:14   third-party developers efforts moving to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:17   what you said before about the ipad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:20   you think that eventually their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:21   attention will go elsewhere like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23   the Sun now like the ipad pro but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   eventually the the you know they lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:27   interest again because you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:29   early in the ipads hit life it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   basically like a a less less important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:35   version of iOS it didn't have many ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37   specific features for several years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:41   that may be the case but I have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:43   that Apple overall as a company had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:47   of its goals that has that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   somewhere and it's big list of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:50   multi-year goals is to to do what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:55   normally does and be the company they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:56   cannibalize the maxi the mac with no big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   growth potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:00   they see it as another market that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:03   potentially be cannibalized by other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   markets like it's small biz other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   markets are growing apples whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:10   is we want to be the ones to cannibalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12   the neck and we want to be the ones to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:13   cannibalize the ipod by replacing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15   the iphone we if because if we don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17   it someone else will eventually because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   if whatever thing that we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20   about being cannibalized does not have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:22   very big growth trajectory eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:25   whatever size it is will be your fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:27   whatever the next big thing is so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:29   is kind of in the business of ok well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:32   let's figure out what the next big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   is because if we just do nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36   someone else will do it for us and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:39   ipad and they cut the emphasis mad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:42   is one effort to do that hey if the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   going to be cannibalized let let us do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:47   I've always said that the ipad has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49   potential to be the thing that replaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51   the mac if given enough attention and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:52   its capabilities are extended in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   ipad pro could be like the very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:55   beginning of that process but say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57   doesn't work out so they try to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:58   try to cannibalize mac with a Predator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   drone doesn't work if the ipad losses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:04   apples attention i think it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:05   because they have another idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:09   things going to cannibalize the mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:10   they don't have a certain number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:11   shots of this idea of what's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:13   cannibalize the night before someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:14   else does it for them but i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   Apple is the company does not want some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:19   other thing made by some other non apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:21   company to be the thing that finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   makes the mac irrelevant i think apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:24   wants to make the mac irrelevant right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   now is the ipad is the thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:27   doing that so i have to think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:28   attention is going to be paid to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:31   ipad until either something else makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:34   the mac irrelevant as in not an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:35   product or until Apple gives up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:37   ipad doing that and decided that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:38   needs another solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   I don't think there is any long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   we're 60 years from now the max soldiers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:46   on pretty much exactly as it is I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48   don't see that happening so my hope is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:51   that Apple figures out what to replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:54   the mac with and I think the ipad line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:57   has the potential to do that if enhanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4617">TS</a>]

01:17:00   in all the ways that we've discussed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:01   past shows in terms of larger screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:03   iPads aren't really particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05   portable way more capabilities in an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:08   figuring out the whole file situation so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:11   when it's over I think wait you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:13   probably right long-term monitoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:16   timescale thing you're probably right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:18   but I have a hard time seeing how iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:22   gets from here to there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:24   iin technically you know like on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:28   low-level like on an API level on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:29   kernel level everything you're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:31   right that like the the next version the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:35   next major version of mac OS is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:38   in iOS derivative I don't know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:40   going on that's coming out and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:42   that'll be good but but like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:45   what replaces mac OS eventually will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:48   indeed be a version of iOS and we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:51   just have large iOS devices with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:54   keyboards and mice guess i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:58   mean it probably you know but and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:01   that would also solve my UI kit problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:04   with no universe that kind of thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:07   I i I don't I don't know I there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:10   much distance between iOS today and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:14   it would have to be to be even a basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:17   mac OS replacement that I have a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:21   time seeing that happening just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:23   the distance is so great and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25   that's the short side of me i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:26   i mean it may not have to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:28   equivalent for you but like when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:31   retired or dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:32   it just needs to have the capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   of the people who grew up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:35   generation that grew up with iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37   find acceptable to do like the same kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:39   of things you're doing now developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:41   software like under whatever whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:44   is that you're doing with your mac that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45   you feel like you can only do on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:46   Mac all that needs to happen is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:48   needs to be a generation of customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:50   who feel like they can best do that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:53   some tablet type device whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:56   you can best do that on the tablet type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   device doesn't really matter you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   need the capabilities need to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:01   it's like with case was saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:03   Michael that Mike finds the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05   experience superior in ways the case he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07   does understand i can understand some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:09   them and in terms of just the simplicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   and this fewer things that can go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:13   and iOS device and this newer things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:15   worry about or whatever and also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:17   thing's feel better sometimes in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:18   of just like body gesture or touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:20   the screen or using a pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:22   or whatever and those can go a long way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24   towards covering up the fact that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:26   actually it takes more steps or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:29   less efficient or it's you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:31   as straightforward as it would be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33   mac or whatever but I'm totally willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   to give the ipad pro and that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:38   thing a shot because like Apple has just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   barely scratched the surface they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:41   now divided the screen up into two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:43   pieces like that'sthat's level they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   at right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:45   they've just now offered you an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   keyboard that you can attach the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:49   like this is the baby is the baby steps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   like they just now give you a stylus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:54   which is a thing that has not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:55   taking off on the macro today offers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   know a a new angle so I'm willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:00   give that a few years i'm not it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02   slam dunk but i think there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:04   fruitful avenue of pursuit there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:06   what they're pursuing is not the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:08   obviously what they're pursuing is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:10   the mac is going to go away will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   replaced with something we think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   might be this and then we were benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:16   like well fine max shrinks ipad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:18   grows all that money goes to apple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:21   ipad as a guest on a better growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   trajectory whatever if that turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:26   not to be the case at least have it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:27   from you know that that not because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:30   didn't put money into it because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:31   for the first several years of the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   was if Apple almost like they thought we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   make a tablet device that's all we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   to do and then instantly will become the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   new future personal computers like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41   you got actually put more effort into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:42   and that otherwise people going to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:43   using Mac's so I i feel like the math is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:47   safe for a long time just because even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48   if Apple's a hundred percent right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   will take them a long time to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   all the ins and outs and probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54   mac OS for all of our active careers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57   whatever but remember in our dotage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:59   retired don't be surprised if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:01   looking at grandkids on a gig ipad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   screen thanks for three sponsor this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4863">TS</a>]

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01:21:09   we will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:13   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:17   mean to begin as it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:21   it was accidental John didn't research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:26   Marco in kc would let down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:29   because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:33   accidental and you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:36   know today p dot and its twitter follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:44   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:45   yes byl ISS so that's Katie list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:51   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4911">TS</a>]

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01:22:12   so John let me ask you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:16   have you ever been to Las Vegas and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   not how badly do you want to go you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:21   the answers to both of those life had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:24   did that more for my own community for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:26   my own laughter so as as I was in Vegas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:29   last weekend and Casey as you are headed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:32   to Vegas in a few days i hope that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35   consider while you're there as i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:39   while I was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:40   what it would be like to see John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:41   siracusa in vegas and the state of mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:45   he would be in to be sitting there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:48   felt so bad for him even not being there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:51   like just I felt so bad for theoretical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53   siracusa in vegas like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:56   oh my god why would he would be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:58   miserable not to mention the flight on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:00   the way there but you know any I mean my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   god to see him in any part of Las Vegas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:05   would be both sad and incredible my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4985">TS</a>]

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01:23:10   like I would find like they have food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   there right at the very least i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:15   find some kind of food that I could eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:18   that i would like you know how could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/4998">TS</a>]

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01:23:20   restaurants there that make some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:23   hopefully good food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:25   I don't be interested in gambling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:26   smoking is disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28   I don't like lots of people like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:29   not a lot there for me but I was stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:31   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:32   there are a lot of restaurants right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:35   i could find something there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5015">TS</a>]

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01:24:04   apparently you didn't I was up I was up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5044">TS</a>]

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01:24:09   then you know second night was way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:10   and then the third night was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQWLMFc/5050">TS</a>]

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