The Accidental Tech Podcast

159: A Typo On Your Brake Pads

 

  every single person on twitter is [TS]

  telling me about the Bernie Sanders fish [TS]

  thing didn't happen like a day or two [TS]

  ago I don't know [TS]

  well you could you can love them in with [TS]

  all the people telling me about the [TS]

  latest aftermarket for ferrari with my [TS]

  name on it we got it done doesn't give [TS]

  your pre-show neutral there's there's a [TS]

  Ferrari now how do they say it is it [TS]

  siracusa or do they say two different [TS]

  way this is not a new thing this this [TS]

  company has done this to every minute [TS]

  interview ferrari for like the past [TS]

  three generations like it's not it's [TS]

  they always look yellow and black [TS]

  they're always kind of gaudy they always [TS]

  have that same name [TS]

  they always have the name siracusa yeah [TS]

  well that's something that's the first [TS]

  part of NM or something [TS]

  masonry like an aftermarket tuner like a [TS]

  like a like rough [TS]

  yeah or what's the BMW was addy didn't I [TS]

  don't know it's that dying is how I've [TS]

  always pronounced it's pronounced [TS]

  siracusa sailing for Mustangs and you [TS]

  know anyway they do this all the time [TS]

  but you know every time it comes out [TS]

  someone someone sees it for the first [TS]

  time and they tell me I've never seen [TS]

  this before you have I have sent you the [TS]

  picture of like the 458 version I've [TS]

  never seen it i'm telling you i don't [TS]

  think i've said this i think i also sent [TS]

  you that maybe the one I didn't know you [TS]

  before that but the I think you've seen [TS]

  it before who all right so what so it's [TS]

  just like of it aftermarket monitor that [TS]

  that mods and resells messed up for [TS]

  ari's with your name on them [TS]

  yep cool alright and there ra yellow and [TS]

  black which some people find gaudy so I [TS]

  like I would never pick those colors but [TS]

  i don't think there is hideous as a lot [TS]

  of people to mean it's like if you're [TS]

  gonna go yellow and black it's sure as [TS]

  hell is yellow and black is that means [TS]

  like but you know lime-green [TS]

  Lamborghinis or whatever like some [TS]

  people some people like that for their [TS]

  exotic cars out of curiosity so they [TS]

  cannot to Pastor John test here if you [TS]

  were given one of these would you sell [TS]

  it for a different one [TS]

  yeah where would you keep this one sell [TS]

  sell sell sell [TS]

  ok because like every you get good money [TS]

  for it would have no miles on it will be [TS]

  brand-new and these specially modified [TS]

  ones like they do for people who want [TS]

  this you know they're all lightened have [TS]

  extra carbon fiber and then also the [TS]

  stuff you did good money for you could [TS]

  buy a standard i would rather have a box [TS]

  stock boring [TS]

  and one than this you know I i like to [TS]

  think in in my peaceful happy place in [TS]

  my mind that people who would who would [TS]

  have the means to buy a Ferrari like [TS]

  this would have better taste than to [TS]

  choose this one but I don't think it's [TS]

  that I don't think it's that bad like we [TS]

  don't think is untested like free for [TS]

  example i think the like the baby food [TS]

  metallic orange weird or mustardy kind [TS]

  of yellow BMWs ri1 pleasing this looks [TS]

  like a matchbox coming you know like and [TS]

  i'll give you that if if you're going [TS]

  for that look it's like don't go halfway [TS]

  if you want to have like pins and flares [TS]

  and extreme contrasting colors like this [TS]

  is that and it is a reasonable execution [TS]

  of that I think it is a valid aesthetic [TS]

  like it's like the difference between [TS]

  the old difference between Lamborghini [TS]

  and Ferrari Lamborghini was always how [TS]

  many intakes and ducks and sharp angles [TS]

  and fins and wedges and stuff we put on [TS]

  there and for our was a little bit [TS]

  smoother and this is kind of like taking [TS]

  a Ferrari and going in the Lamborghini [TS]

  direction so I don't think is actually [TS]

  ugly i just think it's you know it's too [TS]

  loud for my taste but i think it is a [TS]

  competent execution of that style so if [TS]

  you were given one immediately sell yep [TS]

  i think i would too [TS]

  oh I absolutely would but my home is [TS]

  where it's worth good money like you [TS]

  would get more money than selling a [TS]

  regular one because it is more rare and [TS]

  it's it has desirable characteristics [TS]

  for people who want to race them or [TS]

  whatever you want to do with this thing [TS]

  and sometimes mods make something less [TS]

  valuable actually i would venture to say [TS]

  that most models make cars less valuable [TS]

  for aftermarket things like again if you [TS]

  gotta a BMW with a bunch of aftermarket [TS]

  modifications that is desirable for [TS]

  anyone who wants an aftermarket modified [TS]

  BMW they will give you more money than a [TS]

  fresh off the lot stock BMW and so when [TS]

  I when I did buy a used BMW I i [TS]

  specifically sought one out that was [TS]

  unmodified and then i got when i when i [TS]

  went i had to drive to Maryland to see [TS]

  the 1i found and it was the windows were [TS]

  halted in my cup [TS]

  I didn't want that you know it but i [TS]

  figured that easy to undo so I I brought [TS]

  i bought that one brought it home and [TS]

  immediately brought to attend place to [TS]

  remove all 10 and i didn't know that is [TS]

  that right yeah that was that was the [TS]

  one model that [TS]

  it was shipped also there's a ECU modded [TS]

  yeah so I I don't understand i'm not a [TS]

  modern so i don't really understand that [TS]

  the whole the whole deal with it or the [TS]

  whole culture behind it so I I just [TS]

  assume that it's just not for me [TS]

  well you know it it depends on what [TS]

  you're after right like I agree with you [TS]

  that I would never ever ever buy a car [TS]

  that I've known to be modified but that [TS]

  being said I put a chip in my car which [TS]

  is to say I'm inside you see I say put a [TS]

  chip in it I it's all software you know [TS]

  there's no physical bits to it but i did [TS]

  that's my car i have a cob on it and I [TS]

  like it but once the cob its CEO BB it's [TS]

  the company that that report that has a [TS]

  box that lets you reprogram the computer [TS]

  and so that's what I've done to my car [TS]

  and it's better for sure it's faster and [TS]

  I like it but I wouldn't say that it's [TS]

  night and day better and this is the [TS]

  first car i can remember that I've done [TS]

  any sort of real modification to never [TS]

  tempted to call or even though I kind of [TS]

  would like to but yeah it's not worth it [TS]

  I've never put aftermarket wheels on a [TS]

  car off not worth that you should have [TS]

  seen how ridiculous i looked getting out [TS]

  of a car with black tinted windows [TS]

  I actually kind of him sad that I didn't [TS]

  it lasted less than a week that was the [TS]

  little the first thing I did when I [TS]

  brought her home like I drove home and I [TS]

  think that same day I called the [TS]

  templates to schedule an appointment to [TS]

  get to pick it up [TS]

  that's not surprising John have you ever [TS]

  done any sort of monster your car now [TS]

  but if I did I would do the ones like [TS]

  the ones of those day after marketers [TS]

  that I described before are like where [TS]

  they do things that try to make the the [TS]

  car better like so lightweight parts [TS]

  take some part that's heavy and put in a [TS]

  part that is equally strong but lighter [TS]

  like that's always good right or you [TS]

  know inside the engine if you could [TS]

  change like titanium connecting rods [TS]

  together you know to increase the the [TS]

  red line or whatever like those type of [TS]

  modifications seemed to me Martin [TS]

  exactly the same things that the m [TS]

  division does that AMG does or whatever [TS]

  you know like changes that actually make [TS]

  the car better and whatever way you want [TS]

  to make the car better less window [TS]

  tinting and custom paint and ground [TS]

  effects and more more of the things that [TS]

  the manufacturer would do [TS]

  to make the car better indeed alright [TS]

  well I'm sad that you would not be a fan [TS]

  of the Ferrari siracusa I don't know [TS]

  what I mean if the roles were reversed [TS]

  that was the Ferrari list and how could [TS]

  you not [TS]

  although that would be a terrible night [TS]

  that has your name all over the thing [TS]

  but just the item that's not what I want [TS]

  to hurry i wanted to be read call me [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  what would a Ferrari listby I don't even [TS]

  know it all of course it'd be white [TS]

  that's it now huh we're done [TS]

  same as it ever was gotta try to get the [TS]

  four-wheel-drive one right there be four [TS]

  wheel drive one took to stop so you want [TS]

  yeah that's it alright can we move on to [TS]

  follow up I probably should have done [TS]

  some research about the mono xamarin [TS]

  confusion and we got a handful of emails [TS]

  about this and I probably looked at them [TS]

  and said yeah it's whatever and then I [TS]

  archive them to do you want to take the [TS]

  stage on as did to explain i was gonna [TS]

  stop you when you were saying during the [TS]

  show but I figured just let it slide [TS]

  normally cares but apparently a lot of [TS]

  people there i don't know all the [TS]

  details of this but I at least know that [TS]

  mono is the name was not this is not [TS]

  interchangeable was a marine same room [TS]

  as a company named mono is the name of [TS]

  the open-source implementation of dotnet [TS]

  and their related to each other but it's [TS]

  not as if mono became xamarin and some [TS]

  people wrote us tell us things that we [TS]

  talk about our previous shows that was [TS]

  my room is doing is making a way for you [TS]

  to write iOS applications by writing and [TS]

  c-sharp to use their framework and [TS]

  deployed iOS and other platforms and [TS]

  southern microsoft buying them gives [TS]

  them a company that lets you write [TS]

  applications and C sharp and have them [TS]

  run on more than just windows phone not [TS]

  you know we didn't have a whole show we [TS]

  talked about that like what it would be [TS]

  like to write to write an iOS app in [TS]

  c-sharp we talked about it a long time [TS]

  ago so long ago that it's not likely I'm [TS]

  gonna bother putting shit anyway I think [TS]

  the only people who care are people [TS]

  already know the intricacies better than [TS]

  we do and the people who don't we can [TS]

  just leave it at if you want to know [TS]

  more details about it look it up [TS]

  what we said on the last show was a [TS]

  little bit muddled but then again this [TS]

  whole thing I feel like it's a little [TS]

  bit model like trying to figure out what [TS]

  they're doing with this technology what [TS]

  what products is amber and have [TS]

  now versus what is this Microsoft buying [TS]

  their buying the people the expertise do [TS]

  they care how much they care about the [TS]

  products that the company has now versus [TS]

  the company that Microsoft wants them to [TS]

  build or maybe take what they've already [TS]

  built in modified in a one way or [TS]

  another and it was this flurry of [TS]

  stories about you mentioned something to [TS]

  kc like the past few weeks about [TS]

  Microsoft's various projects to let [TS]

  people run applications from other [TS]

  mobile platforms on windows mobile so [TS]

  like you know take your iOS app and [TS]

  running on windows phone or at our [TS]

  windows 10 or whatever and will run [TS]

  android apps or you'll be able to [TS]

  recompile your android apps for Windows [TS]

  Phone i forgot they were called where [TS]

  they're all kinds of like woods island [TS]

  would something like the Ironwood anyway [TS]

  obviously we're not keeping up on the [TS]

  all these various projects couple more [TS]

  or can recently a couple of them live on [TS]

  it's all part of Microsoft's ongoing [TS]

  struggle to figure out how to take what [TS]

  is by all accounts a reasonable mobile [TS]

  platform at least as reasonable as [TS]

  Android certainly better than android [TS]

  was an android early days and try to [TS]

  find a way to make it viable in the [TS]

  market because at this point android and [TS]

  iOS have so much momentum that they're [TS]

  just trying to you know trying to get [TS]

  customers trying to get developers it's [TS]

  the it's the really tough chicken egg [TS]

  situation that Apple founded itself in [TS]

  with the mac where the pc just came to [TS]

  dominate and no matter how much better [TS]

  the mac was it was just difficult to get [TS]

  people to develop for it and one of the [TS]

  one of the strategies people suggested [TS]

  as Oh max run windows programs or it [TS]

  should be easy to write a program for [TS]

  windows and for that program for the mac [TS]

  and apple steadfastly held against that [TS]

  saying no we don't want like we don't [TS]

  want people to we know that might get [TS]

  people to report their application for [TS]

  those be crappy windows ports we want [TS]

  people to buy real mac applications and [TS]

  be real mac developers and do everything [TS]

  the right way [TS]

  was that a mistake was made no [TS]

  difference i don't know it's just what [TS]

  Apple did it certainly kind of the high [TS]

  road [TS]

  microsoft is kind of trying everything [TS]

  at this point what if we make it easier [TS]

  for you to take your iOS application and [TS]

  use some of that all summer all that [TS]

  work to get [TS]

  same application running on windows [TS]

  would that help you get developers but [TS]

  if we will run android apps period just [TS]

  will take the binaries and then somehow [TS]

  magically like all sorts of ideas to try [TS]

  to get some traction in the market to my [TS]

  eyes as someone who supported apples [TS]

  decisions not to license mac OS and [TS]

  everything back in the days i think [TS]

  those efforts are not going to help them [TS]

  but you know we said trying right yeah I [TS]

  mean I guess so yeah so I'm sorry to the [TS]

  two people who are really into mono and [TS]

  salmon and in this whole ecosystem I [TS]

  like John said it's it's fairly [TS]

  confusing for me since I don't live and [TS]

  breathe it to keep it all apart i'm [TS]

  sorry i got that a little bit screwed up [TS]

  I'm sorry to both Windows Phone users [TS]

  for saying something wrong about your [TS]

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  sponsoring our show so Apple made an [TS]

  oops in the last week [TS]

  oh she's this is bad this is so bad it's [TS]

  not that bad it's funny but I add [TS]

  the fix was really easy alright so what [TS]

  are we talking about here Casey you're [TS]

  here the summarizer so behind this [TS]

  summarized in chief mynah so my [TS]

  understanding of the situation was Apple [TS]

  has a mechanism by way they can [TS]

  blacklist kernel extensions and I can't [TS]

  think of any particular examples offhand [TS]

  but there are times when Colonel [TS]

  extension will go bad and they can [TS]

  blacklisted and it's usually used for [TS]

  malware like if they discover some kind [TS]

  of Colonel attention malware this is [TS]

  that the I think the intention of this [TS]

  system is to is for them to be able to [TS]

  very quickly disable it on all max you [TS]

  know globally within a very short amount [TS]

  of time and the other example again I [TS]

  got it is the one from this thing which [TS]

  is if they have a new version of an [TS]

  extension because they know the old 1i [TS]

  can exploit or something like their own [TS]

  like their own kernel extensions they [TS]

  want to blacklist the old one so that [TS]

  you know so that people's max are [TS]

  exploitable because they'll give you a [TS]

  new one here use this new one and then [TS]

  by the way make sure the old one is that [TS]

  is never loaded again because we know [TS]

  it's problem without yep right this is [TS]

  this extends like we're having [TS]

  clarification distant from each other [TS]

  and this extends also to binaries to [TS]

  apps like if they can blacklist any [TS]

  binary that is deemed malware and so it [TS]

  really is a very good feature for [TS]

  malware for the treatment to prevent the [TS]

  spread of it to disable stuff that gets [TS]

  out there so it's a good feature that [TS]

  that I'm glad it's there [TS]

  however they messed something up this [TS]

  time yes so it's important to note that [TS]

  these black list entries can ride [TS]

  without doing a formal software update [TS]

  of course it's still some sort of [TS]

  software update that's happening behind [TS]

  the scenes but the key is that is [TS]

  happening behind the scenes and so [TS]

  without any user intervention you can [TS]

  just have this update this black list [TS]

  update get happened to you and things [TS]

  that are blacklisted will just magically [TS]

  go away [TS]

  well I didn't really think much of this [TS]

  nigga didn't even know about it but then [TS]

  a few days ago I could swear I saw [TS]

  Jason's now saying all of a sudden my [TS]

  imac's ethernet port isn't working [TS]

  anymore is anyone else seeing this [TS]

  what's going on here and mine was [TS]

  working on my knightmon my imac's I [TS]

  didn't think much of it and then fast [TS]

  forward about 24 hours and it turns out [TS]

  that Apple blacklisted their own [TS]

  internet driver whoops without shipping [TS]

  a replacement because that was that [TS]

  that's that's my understanding is that's [TS]

  where this one wrong they had a new [TS]

  version of this driver is coming with [TS]

  like 10-11 for whatever which is not out [TS]

  yet i think still at and so they [TS]

  blacklisted the old one and there you [TS]

  know you supposed to get the blacklist [TS]

  at the same time you get the upgrade to [TS]

  the new one but instead the blackness [TS]

  for the old one out but the upgrade to [TS]

  the new one did not so if you're Jason's [TS]

  now all of a sudden your Mac appears not [TS]

  to have an ethernet port over this [TS]

  manifested like basically didn't even [TS]

  that is not going to go because the [TS]

  colonel extension will not be loaded and [TS]

  you have no replacement [TS]

  yeah and and the end they they did [TS]

  within I don't know a few hours maybe [TS]

  like they did fairly quickly fix that [TS]

  with like the next definition next [TS]

  version of that the definition that [TS]

  downloads but that didn't do you any [TS]

  good if you rebooted in the meantime [TS]

  there and then you had no internet with [TS]

  which to download that update and not to [TS]

  mention the fact that like I think you [TS]

  know it's not like it's not like it [TS]

  comes up and tells you [TS]

  error dialog hey your Ethernet Colonel [TS]

  extension is no longer working because [TS]

  we deem that insecure like it they don't [TS]

  tell you anything just fail silently you [TS]

  can just disappears if you if you reboot [TS]

  these off for updates like they happened [TS]

  face asleep behind the scenes you don't [TS]

  see them they don't go through like you [TS]

  go there's no spinner there's no [TS]

  dialogue there's no thing popping up [TS]

  there's no like I see the mac app store [TS]

  launching none of that happens just [TS]

  magically gets updated and as far as i [TS]

  know you can't disable it right you [TS]

  probably can you disable I mean you [TS]

  could like fire wallet but like like you [TS]

  know if it's like there's no setting to [TS]

  not do those right probably just read [TS]

  rename the the binary that uses it uses [TS]

  that it doesn't use like software update [TS]

  do whatever you can there's always ways [TS]

  to stop the stuff but yeah in general [TS]

  for the regular person there is no way [TS]

  there is no button or checkbox our [TS]

  preference pane for you to not do that [TS]

  right and I mean so you know the good [TS]

  thing is like at least it didn't also [TS]

  affect Wi-Fi so that probably cut down [TS]

  substantially in the number of number of [TS]

  computers that were affected by this [TS]

  because very reason right [TS]

  he well he's like us and a lot of [TS]

  people's spirits out but you know I [TS]

  think what's most concerning about this [TS]

  like look no one no one's perfect but it [TS]

  just seems like this this to me feels a [TS]

  lot like the same kind of problem as the [TS]

  whole mac app store [TS]

  certificate expiration problem that [TS]

  happened twice in the last few months [TS]

  just the latter one seemed to only [TS]

  happen to developers but you know where [TS]

  it just seems like there's this really [TS]

  critical function of the system that [TS]

  something seemingly just rushed out [TS]

  there without being tested or with some [TS]

  degree of carelessness and I it doesn't [TS]

  you know it doesn't bode well for the [TS]

  Mac when Apple seems to not be devoting [TS]

  the resources to what should be their [TS]

  most stable secure platform like the max [TS]

  should be a rock it should be rocks [TS]

  table because it is mature it's not [TS]

  changing that that quickly anymore it's [TS]

  not like it doesn't like iOS where [TS]

  things are moving really fast and is [TS]

  constantly new stuff it's the rock it [TS]

  should be stable and the fact that [TS]

  they're doing things like this with some [TS]

  kind of failure in the process where [TS]

  things are getting out that that break [TS]

  things pretty badly like this it really [TS]

  makes me concerned for the process they [TS]

  have in place to to validate these [TS]

  things and to test for these things and [TS]

  for the the overall amount of resources [TS]

  that they're giving the mac because [TS]

  everything we keep hearing from people [TS]

  inside the company is that basically [TS]

  whenever there's like a new hot project [TS]

  engineers get moving around like crazy [TS]

  like there's constantly like engineer [TS]

  getting pulled off of certain project or [TS]

  go into work at a more interesting group [TS]

  or whatever else because lots of [TS]

  internal moving the people around and [TS]

  often leaves things effectively status [TS]

  and it feels to me from the outside like [TS]

  most of the mac is effectively staff [TS]

  Lewis and that's concerning to me as and [TS]

  because what happens then when when when [TS]

  things are staff less like this and that [TS]

  inside Apple what tends to happen is at [TS]

  some point you know a year later [TS]

  somebody dictate hey we need to have a [TS]

  new version of OS 10 with 10 new [TS]

  features or hundred new features or [TS]

  whatever and then people kind of get [TS]

  temporarily brought in and they do this [TS]

  kind of like drive-by work and then they [TS]

  go back to other stuff and again i don't [TS]

  know if this is how it works but this is [TS]

  how it feels and it kind of matches up [TS]

  with a little bit of things we've heard [TS]

  and so it just seems like it seems like [TS]

  Apple does not dedicate resources [TS]

  full-time two things that I think need [TS]

  all time resources and that to me is [TS]

  very concerning [TS]

  I don't know what to make of it i mean [TS]

  on the one side I feel like apples job [TS]

  as a hardware and software vendor is not [TS]

  to make this mistake but just like we [TS]

  were talking about the police officers [TS]

  earlier everyone's human everyone makes [TS]

  mistakes i don't know if i don't know if [TS]

  it's if if it's fair for us to try to [TS]

  assume what happened i mean i don't know [TS]

  if this is somebody dropped the ball I [TS]

  don't know if this is somebody hit a [TS]

  button a little too early accidentally [TS]

  it doesn't really matter but certainly a [TS]

  lot of what we've talked about in a [TS]

  couple of different subjects over the [TS]

  last few episodes of the show is [TS]

  perception and when were already of the [TS]

  perception that Apple isn't doesn't have [TS]

  the attention to detail that they used [TS]

  to do things like this don't doesn't [TS]

  really help [TS]

  similarly you know another so a similar [TS]

  example is Steven Hackett noticing just [TS]

  the other day and I don't know how I [TS]

  never noticed this that there's a really [TS]

  kind of crummy and semi egregious typo [TS]

  in disk utility and it he says at the [TS]

  bottom of this post while this may seem [TS]

  silly because it's a typo it's not like [TS]

  functionally broken while this may seem [TS]

  silly it's this attention to detail [TS]

  stuff that worries me about apple [TS]

  software and that's I think why were [TS]

  harping on this is because Apple it [TS]

  companies of this size and companies [TS]

  that out how much they pay attention to [TS]

  detail they shouldn't really make [TS]

  mistakes like these and if they do they [TS]

  shouldn't be often and granted [TS]

  blacklisting an ethernet driver is very [TS]

  very different than transposing a couple [TS]

  of words and disk utility but well but [TS]

  you know what like disk utility like [TS]

  first of all like that was part of a big [TS]

  disk utility update and redesign that [TS]

  probably didn't need to happen i don't [TS]

  know i'm not familiar with the logical [TS]

  and behind it but it's like it's a [TS]

  system utility that got like a basically [TS]

  every design that removed a bunch of [TS]

  features and made it look nicer it's [TS]

  like who only geeks were ever using this [TS]

  like this doesn't didn't need to be made [TS]

  nicer in a way that negatively affected [TS]

  it and it's kind it's like you don't [TS]

  want disk utility of all [TS]

  things to have a drive-by sloppily done [TS]

  update like a typo in disk utility is [TS]

  like a typo on your brake pads like you [TS]

  really don't want any signs of [TS]

  carelessness in that and so it just it [TS]

  worries me that it just seems like [TS]

  nothing is off limits for carelessness [TS]

  with with the maximum and with what [TS]

  Apple's working on and again like so [TS]

  many people us included depend on this [TS]

  platform to be stable and to be are rock [TS]

  where we get our work done it doesn't [TS]

  move that fast anymore but we don't care [TS]

  it's this is this is the stability here [TS]

  in an industry where all the mobile [TS]

  stuff is always up in the air and always [TS]

  crazy and everything is constantly in [TS]

  data at best we get to like a [TS]

  point-to-point three-point release on [TS]

  things before we get the next new [TS]

  version it's a total mess again at least [TS]

  the mac should be stable [TS]

  it should be the rock it should not be [TS]

  getting careless updates or careless [TS]

  actions and it should not be [TS]

  short-staffed i don't know i think that [TS]

  you've been a driver i don't consider [TS]

  that a big deal because like I think of [TS]

  how long this mechanism has existed [TS]

  think of how many times they've messed [TS]

  it up like this is the only time i can [TS]

  think of that they've messed it up and [TS]

  it's existed for a long time and it was [TS]

  fixed very easily it is very simple like [TS]

  that so I i totally give them a pass and [TS]

  i'm reminded of like you don't know you [TS]

  guys remember the mac OS 754 person [TS]

  system 754 sorry it was not mac OS 754 i [TS]

  blame the internet for that that they [TS]

  had basically two versions of like that [TS]

  they that they reach golden master back [TS]

  in the days when I actually meant [TS]

  something because they would print [TS]

  floppy disks and stuff and then they had [TS]

  to stop and our no actually we made a [TS]

  mistake and here's the new version but [TS]

  some of the old version about out so it [TS]

  for a certain period of time there are [TS]

  multiple official binaries of system 7.5 [TS]

  points for and floppy disks floating [TS]

  around or you couldn't be sure exactly [TS]

  which one you have is they all just 7.5 [TS]

  points for and they didn't have build [TS]

  number is visible to users at times [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  stuff like that happens it's not a big [TS]

  deal the mac app store certificate [TS]

  signing thing I think that is emblematic [TS]

  of like well this is supposed to be a [TS]

  major feature and you have the iOS App [TS]

  Store and it's the type of thing that is [TS]

  really complicated and hard to get right [TS]

  and requires forethought and care and [TS]

  like it's not so simple as like oops [TS]

  well just we'll just wait you know and [TS]

  another song update will fix this lots [TS]

  of people were left in situations where [TS]

  their apps wouldn't launch a little [TS]

  something that I think shows a lack of [TS]

  investment in the mac of like not not [TS]

  being prepared for that eventuality was [TS]

  like give you can make something like [TS]

  that happen on the iphone and for the [TS]

  same period of time the same percentage [TS]

  of iphone users what app icons and their [TS]

  phones and nothing was launched that [TS]

  would be just a disaster of epic [TS]

  proportions I mean and some degrees like [TS]

  well the iphone sells more that's why [TS]

  can't more attention or whatever but yet [TS]

  we all think that should be a little bit [TS]

  more care on the mac and the disk [TS]

  utility one disk utility is the least of [TS]

  disk systems problems i think it did it [TS]

  did need a GUI refresh this gooey [TS]

  refresh is not a great GUI refresh but i [TS]

  don't think anyone would care that much [TS]

  if it wasn't for the two things I Marco [TS]

  mention removing features which is like [TS]

  i was using that like you know you [TS]

  haven't replaced it with anything [TS]

  there's no promise of being replaced or [TS]

  anything the old thing worked [TS]

  why is it gone with no explanation for [TS]

  removing features is bad and then having [TS]

  I actually like the shots but someone [TS]

  linked to something uh I think it's a md [TS]

  sy again linking to the the story in [TS]

  case we're just talking about about the [TS]

  typo but just saying like SuperDuper [TS]

  leverage some of the same command line [TS]

  utilities and frameworks that are [TS]

  underneath disk utility and SuperDuper [TS]

  has a mode where it will clone your [TS]

  drive it and you can tell erase the [TS]

  destination drive first and then clone [TS]

  onto it and he was getting like out of [TS]

  disk space warning is because the the [TS]

  system code that erases the volume would [TS]

  tell SuperDuper yep totally just erase [TS]

  that volume for you it's totally erased [TS]

  go ahead and fill it and SuperDuper go [TS]

  to try to fill it and eventually fill [TS]

  the disciplines of the disk was in a [TS]

  race like that the underlying disk [TS]

  utility functionality of please erase [TS]

  this volume for me would report success [TS]

  but have actually failed and that type [TS]

  of failure is like forget about [TS]

  cosmetics but you know it's like missing [TS]

  features and features that work worse [TS]

  now [TS]

  basic features like please erase this [TS]

  volume for me that's that's kind of [TS]

  untenable [TS]

  so that's that's why I think this [TS]

  utility updated is bad not because the [TS]

  GUI is weird and they kind of [TS]

  no the windows aren't resizable and it's [TS]

  hard to see the messages or whatever [TS]

  like it did need a GUI refresh feel free [TS]

  to do that anytime you want but when the [TS]

  underlying functionalities either remove [TS]

  it doesn't work right that's a that's a [TS]

  real bummer [TS]

  yeah like if you know this was not a [TS]

  utility that was very customer-facing [TS]

  again this is like a really technical [TS]

  utility that only geeks really ever used [TS]

  it [TS]

  if you can if you don't have the [TS]

  resources or if you're not willing to [TS]

  devote the resources to do it right then [TS]

  just leave it be for another release [TS]

  because no one is pressuring you to [TS]

  redesign something like that that [TS]

  already works and if if the best you can [TS]

  do is to replace it with a version that [TS]

  doesn't work as well then don't do that [TS]

  don't do that redesign like why it it's [TS]

  like you know just like with discovery d [TS]

  like yeah you read on this whole this [TS]

  whole thing you wrote this whole this [TS]

  whole thing but the new one works worse [TS]

  and eventually they came around to the [TS]

  right decision which was ok we'll go [TS]

  back to the old one with disk utility I [TS]

  feel like they should do the same things [TS]

  like either fix the new one in which i [TS]

  think is probably a big job and it seems [TS]

  to probably not have a lot of resources [TS]

  devoted to it that i'm guessing that [TS]

  wasn't that was one of those drive-by [TS]

  updates or just put the open back [TS]

  because it was fine it didn't not work [TS]

  like it was fine it just was a little [TS]

  bit ugly but who cares its utility you [TS]

  gotta think the bike I mean so there's [TS]

  the GUI part of it which like is not [TS]

  most the application and then there's [TS]

  think the underlying frameworks and [TS]

  command line utilities and the fact that [TS]

  some of those either disappeared or stop [TS]

  working like those must have changed you [TS]

  know it's not just that they butter [TS]

  baguley on top of which is fine for back [TS]

  the old GUI like there must have been [TS]

  underlying changes to the parts of the [TS]

  system the deal with disks all those [TS]

  frameworks and you know like the other [TS]

  command line utilities or whatever so it [TS]

  might not be just as simple as putting [TS]

  the old version of the disk utility [TS]

  application it's it's a like many things [TS]

  apple makes its a series of frameworks [TS]

  and there's a GUI friend and his command [TS]

  line from then and you know the big egos [TS]

  always down through the system and why [TS]

  they got rid of those features maybe [TS]

  just trying to reduce the surface area [TS]

  of bugs like they got rid of like [TS]

  software raid or something and I don't [TS]

  think it's uh you know a bad idea to say [TS]

  so few of our [TS]

  customers use this supporting it is [TS]

  really difficult it should go away it's [TS]

  not going to be supported from now on [TS]

  like it's disappointing to people but if [TS]

  you can do that in a good way and [TS]

  basically i would say give everyone a [TS]

  warning tell them softer rate is going [TS]

  away give them alternatives instead of [TS]

  just let you wake up and you're like oh [TS]

  new version basically wait where's that [TS]

  come and go like it wasn't it wasn't [TS]

  sort of communicated out in any way or [TS]

  there wasn't like one year where every [TS]

  time you select software raid would tell [TS]

  us already will be unsupported in the [TS]

  next version you should stop you know [TS]

  what you mean like this is good and bad [TS]

  transitions but then having the thing [TS]

  that says that erases discs failed to [TS]

  erase the disk it but report success [TS]

  that's just this is bad and I don't know [TS]

  what the fixed that is I i like to [TS]

  imagine of course that they re doing [TS]

  this because they're ripping out all [TS]

  this stuff the anticipation of the new [TS]

  file system that's going to come 2017 [TS]

  oh but who knows if that's even related [TS]

  so anyway I'm like they'd read activity [TS]

  monitor a couple years ago too i think [TS]

  all those applications that's it like in [TS]

  the utilities folder they should get [TS]

  updates like every five years or so like [TS]

  they should have googly goo refreshes or [TS]

  whatever but like Marco said there's no [TS]

  rush no time to do with this year wait [TS]

  till next year it's not like people are [TS]

  like oh i was gonna upgrade to the new [TS]

  OS but they didn't upgrade activity [TS]

  monitor this year no one cares that's [TS]

  fine [TS]

  yeah i would rather have just the old [TS]

  one that still works than a new one that [TS]

  doesn't yeah and it is to the credit for [TS]

  the role of people do they gonna want to [TS]

  follow some stuff like or storage and [TS]

  everything and all the stuff that [TS]

  enables like the new version filevault i [TS]

  don't know how many years that was in [TS]

  gestation but when it came like it [TS]

  worked like the new version of final [TS]

  like was let you know the old version [TS]

  was terrifying and hits home runs and [TS]

  markets gravy and the new version sadly [TS]

  have the same name but it's like [TS]

  everyone who tried it's like you do it [TS]

  and it just works right and they had to [TS]

  do so much plumbing changes to make that [TS]

  happen about you know all of course [TS]

  origin all that stuff like that's a [TS]

  significant change but they waited until [TS]

  it was basically ready I mean it's not [TS]

  like there weren't bugs and I like they [TS]

  didn't fix them and everything but like [TS]

  it was clearly like production caliber [TS]

  on the when it was released right and [TS]

  even though they improve the next year [TS]

  next year next year after that like I [TS]

  think it was everyone was shocked by how [TS]

  much of a non-issue was your just [TS]

  encrypted yeah I check the checkbox and [TS]

  password now just be encrypted [TS]

  I don't even notice it doesn't affect my [TS]

  life it's like magic that's that's [TS]

  that's the way things should be [TS]

  that's the way the new file doesn't will [TS]

  be in 2017 right guys honestly I'm a [TS]

  little scared because I I question [TS]

  whether today's apple with what they're [TS]

  showing us by their actions here [TS]

  can they deliver a really big really [TS]

  important stable new generation of [TS]

  something something that large like can [TS]

  Apple deliver a new file system for the [TS]

  mac today when it was without massive [TS]

  bugs have been working on it for like 20 [TS]

  years now right now it's gotta be so [TS]

  good now but where those people you know [TS]

  what they will howl in how many [TS]

  directions are those resources being [TS]

  pulled right now we don't know if [TS]

  there's any resources we don't have the [TS]

  project we don't think that's true but [TS]

  you know whatever whatever this is you [TS]

  know if if there's a new file system [TS]

  here [TS]

  apple from five years ago might be able [TS]

  to ship it and it might have worked but [TS]

  I I really honestly I'm worried about [TS]

  apple today about whether whether they [TS]

  can do this kind of very large new [TS]

  project on a platform on the mac on a [TS]

  platform that they don't really seem to [TS]

  be devoting substantial resources to [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  I think they're totally capable is just [TS]

  a question of making the calm one to [TS]

  pull the trigger that's all comes down [TS]

  is it ready go the go/no-go decision is [TS]

  it ready this year or is it not ready is [TS]

  here you just make the right call on [TS]

  that and it's like it's aight like the [TS]

  whole the mac the whole mac is like disk [TS]

  utility no one's in a big hurry like if [TS]

  it's not ready don't ship it it's ready [TS]

  ship it that's it because I totally the [TS]

  capabilities are all even restore start [TS]

  even with people get pulled off to work [TS]

  on the mystical car whatever they're [TS]

  doing all that doesn't push your dates [TS]

  back that's all that should happen [TS]

  well except that what I think we see now [TS]

  that that today's Apple would what would [TS]

  much rather get a ship date then ship [TS]

  something perfect i think you're taking [TS]

  this way too far when it comes to the [TS]

  file second system example because the [TS]

  file system is one of the basis of the [TS]

  entire Mac pyramid I mean if you screw [TS]

  that up [TS]

  that's a big damn deal and I think that [TS]

  Apple smart enough to realize that if [TS]

  they're really gonna pull pull the [TS]

  trigger on [TS]

  a new file system if this is really [TS]

  gonna happen kind of like what John was [TS]

  saying minute ago [TS]

  they're going to make sure that they are [TS]

  ready and they are going to test this [TS]

  knot out of that it's not the sort of [TS]

  thing that you can just say we why not [TS]

  you know and fire from the hip you let's [TS]

  give it a shot let's see what happens [TS]

  whenever they dress plus though [TS]

  oh you guys don't you guys are gonna [TS]

  tell you a little about what that was [TS]

  like please please don't like sitting [TS]

  around the fire kids yeah here we got [TS]

  like grandpa tell you about the file [TS]

  still so there was a you know there's FS [TS]

  we're not gonna talk about that there's [TS]

  HFS which was fine for a while and then [TS]

  you know that was Michaels 8.1 i think [TS]

  came out on that had a new file system [TS]

  they're going hfs+ and if you had if you [TS]

  are installing it on to an empty volume [TS]

  you could format is hfs+ and install [TS]

  your operating system and you'd be in [TS]

  this brave new world right [TS]

  they also had a feature this is my [TS]

  recollection people can correct me if [TS]

  i'm wrong i could be mixing up third [TS]

  party stuff i'm pretty sure first party [TS]

  had a feature where you could say I've [TS]

  got an HFS disk and in those days like [TS]

  this for tiny and they were always full [TS]

  because they were tiny you could say i [TS]

  want to upgrade to mac OS 8.1 and i [TS]

  would also like you to change my volume [TS]

  from HFS day to rest plus in place [TS]

  change the format of the file system [TS]

  without deleting my data to leave the [TS]

  data there but convert the thing from a [TS]

  tree festival address plus that sounds [TS]

  like a bad idea that process as you [TS]

  might imagine these were not days of [TS]

  like a log structure file systems where [TS]

  it's like right only file since you can [TS]

  do this interview you can do is btrfs [TS]

  and and lots of other things that [TS]

  because of the way they're laid out in a [TS]

  reasonably safe way but this was like a [TS]

  literal like in place if you unplug your [TS]

  computer in the middle of this or if [TS]

  anything goes wrong [TS]

  kiss your stuff goodbye hey and it was [TS]

  terrifying with and we didn't have any [TS]

  place that we couldn't do online backup [TS]

  because for me anyway [TS]

  most people do online right and didn't [TS]

  have enough hard disk space to actually [TS]

  make a real like no one had backup [TS]

  because there was no way to backup like [TS]

  I had one hard drive [TS]

  alright had some multiple hard drives [TS]

  they're all hope it's not like we're and [TS]

  so it's been uphill both ways right and [TS]

  so you want your choice like if you [TS]

  wanted hfs+ and who didn't try to allow [TS]

  to individual character filings and [TS]

  you know anyway most of the good stuff [TS]

  is also even exposed but the bottom line [TS]

  is you could at least have a block size [TS]

  that made it so you know a text file [TS]

  with one bite and it didn't take up this [TS]

  then obscene amount of space because [TS]

  that was the problem of HFS is that as [TS]

  the volumes got bigger the blocks I had [TS]

  to grow proportionally and so no matter [TS]

  how small you made your file your your [TS]

  minimum file size kept going up and up [TS]

  to a size that we wouldn't care about [TS]

  today i think it was like we were all [TS]

  set this was like 4k for you know a [TS]

  single character fly like are born the [TS]

  fork and I was too big anyway the [TS]

  benefits weren't even all that great and [TS]

  the risks were tremendous and if you [TS]

  wanted to upgrade you had to either [TS]

  erase your disk in which case you need [TS]

  to have a backup or do this in place [TS]

  back up and it was not it was [TS]

  touch-and-go there for years and I mean [TS]

  we provide here as much about it because [TS]

  people are online as much back then and [TS]

  talking to each other about that all the [TS]

  problems that aren't hurting that but it [TS]

  was really scary these days was gonna [TS]

  say the case thing like all the sauces [TS]

  and they're going to make sure it's [TS]

  super safe remember hfs+ runs on the [TS]

  phone too [TS]

  so you're pretty much guaranteed that if [TS]

  they are replacing it with anything [TS]

  it's gonna you know like that's that's [TS]

  bet the company kind of stuff there's no [TS]

  way in hell they replace hfs+ with [TS]

  anything else on the phone if they were [TS]

  in damn sure that it fulfilled the [TS]

  requirements of it so I have some faith [TS]

  that we will not see a file system until [TS]

  that happens to have faith that that [TS]

  means the file system will be out in [TS]

  2017 I don't know but like you know just [TS]

  take your time get it right you know we [TS]

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  sponsoring our show so John since you're [TS]

  already a little bit fired up [TS]

  tell me how it is you kind of just have [TS]

  disk free blu rays how is that even [TS]

  possible [TS]

  I i were in a topic next all right [TS]

  before we jumped out of the chatroom [TS]

  wants to process and that's another [TS]

  story for the youngins that you guys are [TS]

  probably hard to not do it quickly back [TS]

  to the fire [TS]

  yeah the other the other fun thing about [TS]

  the HRSA 4s plus conversion and remember [TS]

  this is still too probably not but I [TS]

  remember I there was some recent [TS]

  articles like it came up again on the [TS]

  modern internet like a couple years ago [TS]

  so maybe you could find those blog posts [TS]

  but anyway when it converted your disk [TS]

  it would do this clever thing where it [TS]

  would if this hfs+ disc with read by a [TS]

  system that predates hfs+ rather than [TS]

  saying this disc is unreadable would you [TS]

  like to initialize as in like I have no [TS]

  idea what the hell is disc is if the [TS]

  disk would appear to older discs as an [TS]

  HSS could have like this little [TS]

  miniature HFS disc volume entry in it in [TS]

  the place where old in a place where i [TS]

  pre hfs+ it would look for it and the [TS]

  only thing I disc was a little tiny [TS]

  me file that explain what the hell hfs+ [TS]

  is Mary all your crap went and it was [TS]

  just like the ideal like cute little mac [TS]

  thing where you wear instead of just you [TS]

  know telling you everything is [TS]

  initialized it and and you know telling [TS]

  your disc is unreadable and scaring [TS]

  people and tricking them into like [TS]

  isolating the race but they don't know [TS]

  what else to do your disk would mount [TS]

  and you like where the hell's all my [TS]

  stuff and you can see this one little [TS]

  text one little readme file sitting [TS]

  there and you know what else can you do [TS]

  there but like I guess I'll read this [TS]

  file maybe I'll tell visit I think it [TS]

  was tall called it was like it was [TS]

  something about like where my files go [TS]

  over please read me or whatever like it [TS]

  was it was trying to help you say look [TS]

  here and we'll tell you what that's [TS]

  going on it would say all this has been [TS]

  four hrs position new formatting your [TS]

  boot into an old system blah blah blah [TS]

  that was like that's that's the that's [TS]

  the good stuff that's the good Apple Mac [TS]

  way kind of whimsical kind of fun [TS]

  technically super clever because they [TS]

  control everything top from top to [TS]

  bottom they can do this they can say [TS]

  we're going to define a new volume [TS]

  format but we're going to leave a spot [TS]

  for this little funny little wrapper and [TS]

  I don't remember the rap when the rapper [TS]

  went away or if it's still there it's [TS]

  probably gone now but I i always like [TS]

  that and that is I think the example of [TS]

  apple at its best [TS]

  so tell me John how do you handle [TS]

  blu-rays these days this topic this [TS]

  topic I try to handle them [TS]

  not at all so we've talked about our [TS]

  blu-rays a little bit as in like you [TS]

  know where did you get this movie to you [TS]

  you know [TS]

  did you get an itunes how do you watch [TS]

  movies or are different flex things [TS]

  streaming things from netflix from HBO [TS]

  Go all sorts of ways that we watch [TS]

  television movies these days and I would [TS]

  always try and a certain point of sale [TS]

  I by the movies that I care about on [TS]

  blu-ray because despite the fact that [TS]

  blu-rays awful everybody knows blu-rays [TS]

  awful for all the reasons that anyone [TS]

  ever used a blue rhino's take million [TS]

  years to load that you're waiting for [TS]

  the menus too low to show you previews [TS]

  that sometimes you can't skip you just [TS]

  want to watch the movie that's a [TS]

  spinning disk in there that probably [TS]

  makes a noise or more noise than a [TS]

  digital file anyway you have to this [TS]

  kind of this case you gotta stick it [TS]

  into a little you know like it's all [TS]

  they still run java they are very often [TS]

  they [TS]

  look run java trying to download [TS]

  something or you have compatibility [TS]

  problems my favorite one is like I have [TS]

  lots of fancy equipment that can in [TS]

  theory play blu-rays and every once in a [TS]

  while one of them will be like get me on [TS]

  a menu screen where it won't let me [TS]

  select the play button or well freeze on [TS]

  a menu screen and it's just like this is [TS]

  after you've SAT through previews are [TS]

  trying to skip them to figure out which [TS]

  button you have to hit to get past the [TS]

  previews and connive and tracking ID top [TS]

  menu tonight pop-up-menu you know like [TS]

  and you get through that and then the [TS]

  menu freezes you can't play i love [TS]

  blu-ray is like it's like you know it's [TS]

  like this committee looked at the DVD [TS]

  format and they're like you know what [TS]

  this needs more prohibited user [TS]

  operations software updates and java [TS]

  software like a running running software [TS]

  its yeah so it's its intent incredibly [TS]

  misguided customer hospital format and [TS]

  and really like you just want to watch [TS]

  the movie right now that's all that's [TS]

  all you want you want the movie to start [TS]

  playing now right so why do I keep [TS]

  buying blu-rays I keep buying them [TS]

  because it continues to be the highest [TS]

  quality version of the above movie you [TS]

  can get and I not always i care about [TS]

  that a lot of movies especially kids [TS]

  movies on i doing or whatever like you [TS]

  know they're fine but for the movies I [TS]

  really care about [TS]

  I want the highest quality version that [TS]

  i can buy with a regular consumer can [TS]

  about and blu-rays that blu-ray discs [TS]

  are huge you can get a blu-ray movie [TS]

  that's like tens of gigabytes [TS]

  yes they're still compresses like it's [TS]

  on your breasts that but they're [TS]

  compressed a higher bitrate with better [TS]

  algorithms and like they are you know [TS]

  they have someone have uncompressed [TS]

  audio on them or you know multiple [TS]

  higher resolution audio tracks and all [TS]

  sorts of good things about us it is it [TS]

  is the best copy of a movie you can get [TS]

  so all the movies i care about I get on [TS]

  blu-ray [TS]

  so all the movies that I really really [TS]

  you know appreciate then I and I have a [TS]

  setup that can play them correctly in my [TS]

  fancy TV and everything's good except of [TS]

  course I hate blu-ray so what I'm always [TS]

  looking for not like really actively but [TS]

  just like be on the lookout for this is [TS]

  the point where i can take my blu-rays [TS]

  and get the bits off of them and put [TS]

  them onto a hard drive somewhere and [TS]

  then watch them from that hard drive now [TS]

  all the menus are godless I'm just [TS]

  the movie all the stupid menus all the [TS]

  FBI warnings all the Java applets all [TS]

  the previews is all that is gone they [TS]

  are you confessing to a felony [TS]

  I don't know and I just want the bits [TS]

  off of the disk and then I want to be [TS]

  able to play those bits and have it be [TS]

  exactly the same as it would be if i put [TS]

  the the the blu-ray into the dr except [TS]

  without all the bad parts and I have all [TS]

  these boxes connected to my television [TS]

  and I've got my pic synology down there [TS]

  that's got a lot of room on it and like [TS]

  i said i've not been actively seeking [TS]

  this out but I figured a certain point [TS]

  just from my normal churn of the various [TS]

  boxes that are attached to my TV i will [TS]

  probably eventually get to the point [TS]

  where this is the thing that can happen [TS]

  and i thought i might have been at that [TS]

  point because as we've discussed on past [TS]

  shows i'm running plex on my new apple [TS]

  TV and I finally got my plex library [TS]

  kind of an order and you lots of things [TS]

  have flex clients might even as the plex [TS]

  client my television can read things [TS]

  directly off the synology off the server [TS]

  that it runs my apple TV box can do it [TS]

  like I have so many different choices i [TS]

  can i can run the server on off my [TS]

  computer which by the way I don't [TS]

  encourage people to do this and maybe [TS]

  it's not recommended but if you have an [TS]

  ass you can mount your nest on your mac [TS]

  and then run flex on your mac with the [TS]

  nass mounted where all your like your [TS]

  video is that's exactly what i do right [TS]

  but you can also have like synology has [TS]

  applek server on it so i have a place [TS]

  server on mine ass and I have another [TS]

  black server on my mac both of which are [TS]

  pointing to the exact same video files [TS]

  and the more or less stay in sync with [TS]

  each other like they don't fight each [TS]

  other and everything and so why would [TS]

  you do that why would you choose between [TS]

  them well I don't like that the back on [TS]

  all the time but if there's something [TS]

  that needs some kind of heavy [TS]

  transcoding to be able to play at all [TS]

  the mac and handle it and and this [TS]

  analogy might not be able to sew and [TS]

  really just don't know I'm just playing [TS]

  with things anyway so that's the [TS]

  situation and i figured i think i'm at [TS]

  the point where i can do this now so i [TS]

  bought myself like a fifty-dollar you [TS]

  know blu-ray drive that's how cheap they [TS]

  are these days for your computer you [TS]

  know just like a little thing you put a [TS]

  little radio mix up the USB get back her [TS]

  I'm yep and then and then get you know [TS]

  make MTV or some other program that [TS]

  that you're going to ask to you know my [TS]

  say I'm gonna rip my blu-rays but i'm [TS]

  not really coding them i am not running [TS]

  them through compression algorithms I [TS]

  just want to bits off the disk exactly [TS]

  as they are not changed in any possible [TS]

  way right because isn't that exactly [TS]

  what I'm what make him Cavey does yeah [TS]

  that I think people have workflows we're [TS]

  like it goes through this whole process [TS]

  and actually rewrite that we talked to [TS]

  Don melitón about how what is what is [TS]

  for closers only [TS]

  he's always reading coding all his [TS]

  movies and I'm like so do you have the [TS]

  original uncompressed thing somewhere [TS]

  you just that's your input or do you do [TS]

  you feed discs in forever I don't know [TS]

  it does but anyway yeah make MKV will [TS]

  let you select which tracks you want [TS]

  that thing and we'll just pull them off [TS]

  exactly as that our bit for bit which is [TS]

  exactly what I want [TS]

  not for all my movies again like you [TS]

  have most of the things like that don't [TS]

  care that much about buying itunes are [TS]

  watching netflix don't have to store [TS]

  them at all but for the you know the [TS]

  handful of like my very very favorite [TS]

  movies right and i did this seemed to go [TS]

  ok like i just did it for like two or [TS]

  three experimental movies often blue [TS]

  right and that you know getting huge [TS]

  like 20 or 30 gigabytes I can you know [TS]

  you can around describes real fast if [TS]

  you take your you know movie library of [TS]

  300 movies and just do the math you will [TS]

  see that you will take a lot of room [TS]

  I was doing a couple of them i thought [TS]

  was home free cuz i'm like great at the [TS]

  bits off the disk [TS]

  I've got a million places i can put [TS]

  these bits that i can play them i can [TS]

  put them on flex Emma and how to serve [TS]

  my macbook complex answer my synology i [TS]

  can put them on my synology haven't [TS]

  served from DLNA server on my television [TS]

  I can play them from my playstation 3 I [TS]

  could play them from PlayStation 4 it [TS]

  was hooked up to my collection but it's [TS]

  not my could play them from my apple TV [TS]

  i complaining from the television itself [TS]

  like you know that ipod can play them [TS]

  from the the wii u if I wanted to who [TS]

  knows what they have value designs so [TS]

  many options sound like surely one of [TS]

  these will work to do what i want and [TS]

  they almost do they're really close [TS]

  really close but I had forgotten about [TS]

  two things 1i had I mean I didn't really [TS]

  forget about this but I figured [TS]

  something i would have work I've [TS]

  forgotten about 24 frames per second [TS]

  cadence movies most movies that that we [TS]

  know of a the the people like these days [TS]

  are shot at 24 frames per second for a [TS]

  variety of historical reasons and most [TS]

  televisions for a different variety of [TS]

  historical reasons most flat-screen [TS]

  televisions [TS]

  I show it a new frame i had some [TS]

  multiple that 24 is not going to evenly [TS]

  so they may be [TS]

  yeah well then I six years these days [TS]

  but like well aren't there a hundred and [TS]

  twenty-one today this is that is 120 and [TS]

  240 and stuff like that right so if you [TS]

  have on the television and you can get [TS]

  24 into it even though you're fine but [TS]

  if you're like me and you have a plasma [TS]

  television that doesn't have it doesn't [TS]

  display at you know what does if you [TS]

  have a device doesn't help putting [TS]

  multiple 24 as usual but it's not so [TS]

  much the television set [TS]

  so the best example is the apple TV [TS]

  which I believe output 60 Hertz which is [TS]

  what all r max output at like 60 60 [TS]

  refresh your screen each second right [TS]

  and if you've got 24 frames of video and [TS]

  you're trying to put it out over a [TS]

  connection that's going to show 60 [TS]

  frames every second [TS]

  the math doesn't work out for you there [TS]

  so you have to you because you can't [TS]

  show like so you have a frame number 14 [TS]

  in order to frame number three you what [TS]

  they end up doing is this your friend [TS]

  number 13 x is your friend number 22 x [TS]

  is your friend number 33 times and it's [TS]

  like 32 32 32 32 and that's not what you [TS]

  want because you showing your showing [TS]

  the frames and uneven number x is [TS]

  supposed to be one frame for one [TS]

  twenty-fourth of a second then the next [TS]

  frame for one twenty-fourth of a second [TS]

  every frame should be shown for exactly [TS]

  the same amount of time but if you're if [TS]

  you're sending 60 update the second you [TS]

  just can't do that with 24 frames per [TS]

  second right and it doesn't matter what [TS]

  your television does if the output [TS]

  devices like now very clever modern [TS]

  televisions have a thing where they will [TS]

  do they will do 322 cadence detection [TS]

  well they will figure out seems like [TS]

  this device is sending me like one frame [TS]

  three times that never changes and the [TS]

  next moment x me two times and that one [TS]

  is the same for the two things and then [TS]

  it sends me the next frame three times [TS]

  the next 12 I see what's going on there [TS]

  and it fixes it for you it really [TS]

  expands the frame rate and and displays [TS]

  them because it has a refresh rate [TS]

  that's a multiple 24 and you're fine and [TS]

  then when you actually look at the [TS]

  television it shows you train for [TS]

  exactly the same amount of time every [TS]

  frame comes on for one twenty-fourth of [TS]

  a second [TS]

  that's awesome i don't know TV for that [TS]

  smart yeah I mine doesn't do that [TS]

  because it's not a not that smart and be [TS]

  like that process as you can imagine is [TS]

  kind of like the detecting that and [TS]

  handling it correctly is potentially [TS]

  problematic so what you really want is [TS]

  for the device that you're playing the [TS]

  movie on to say look I'm gonna send it [TS]

  at [TS]

  not a 24-second but at 24 frames per [TS]

  second cadence so I'm gonna send you [TS]

  some multiples 24 right whether i can't [TS]

  do the math in my head for that is 96 [TS]

  multiple or 120 or 240 or whatever yes [TS]

  anyway I'm gonna send you some multiples [TS]

  24 and and then you television realize [TS]

  that i'm sending to you with this frame [TS]

  rate and display television decide to [TS]

  update exactly this thing so if i send [TS]

  you [TS]

  96 hurts television pls display 96 hurts [TS]

  and everyone's fine and so like frame [TS]

  for number one is shown you know three [TS]

  or four times every day that you all the [TS]

  frames field that's what it says 24 [TS]

  frames like they don't mean that your [TS]

  television is updating 24 times a second [TS]

  look terrible for most television [TS]

  technologies all they mean is the [TS]

  decadence is correct that the first [TS]

  frame is gone for one twenty-fourth of a [TS]

  second exactly the second perimeter on [TS]

  for one twenty-fourth of a second [TS]

  exactly that's what you want to happen [TS]

  and when I put a blu-ray player in my [TS]

  playstation 3 it does exactly that it [TS]

  sends it out 24 frames per second cannes [TS]

  my television realizes that the [TS]

  PlayStation wants to talk to it that way [TS]

  they negotiate over hdmi hdmi television [TS]

  changes to be in exactly 24 frames per [TS]

  second kids that is the only way you see [TS]

  a blu-ray the way it's supposed to look [TS]

  without what they call shudders shudders [TS]

  but what they call it when you see the [TS]

  32 32 32 times especially when they have [TS]

  like a pan or some quick motion where it [TS]

  seems herky-jerky because it because it [TS]

  is your keys it's not smooth motion [TS]

  they're not showing you train for one [TS]

  twenty-fourth of a second i thought [TS]

  surely I have some box they can take [TS]

  this 24 homers second blu-rays show it [TS]

  like that but it turns out for the most [TS]

  part I don't the appletv won't do it [TS]

  because the apple TV has a fixed refresh [TS]

  rate and for whatever reason my [TS]

  television does not detect that is [TS]

  getting 32 and it can't reverse the [TS]

  process [TS]

  I don't think there's anything i can do [TS]

  on my appletv to convince it to output [TS]

  at 96 or 48 or something like that [TS]

  the the last form entry i saw from some [TS]

  apple person answering basically said [TS]

  applications the apple TV you have no [TS]

  power to affect that what's going out or [TS]

  the hdmi cable like the refresh rate [TS]

  they can't change that that's just it's [TS]

  fixed and it's part of the OS it's [TS]

  possible future OS update could change [TS]

  to either let applications control that [TS]

  or let that users control it with some [TS]

  setting or something but right now [TS]

  it doesn't and how do i know that my [TS]

  television isn't correctly detecting the [TS]

  three two canes and fixing it for me [TS]

  you can kind of tell by looking like [TS]

  scenes in movies and pans or whatever [TS]

  but this is a much easier way to tell [TS]

  there's a lot of little test movies that [TS]

  you can download that show for example a [TS]

  white box marching across the screen and [TS]

  for you know for the first frame the [TS]

  white boxes on the left and the next [TS]

  frame the white boxes moved one unit [TS]

  over the next time so you see 24 boxes [TS]

  which light up one after the other [TS]

  what each frame one of the boxes lit up [TS]

  all you do is take your fancy market are [TS]

  meant expensive camera and figure out [TS]

  how to change the shutter speed to [TS]

  exactly one second you play that movie [TS]

  on your television you take a picture [TS]

  your television with the shutter with [TS]

  exposure time of one second then you [TS]

  look at the picture if your if your [TS]

  television is doing the right thing you [TS]

  see 24 grayish boxes that look exactly [TS]

  the same brightness because every single [TS]

  one of those squares on screen for [TS]

  exactly one twenty-fourth of a second [TS]

  one twenty-fourth of a second the same [TS]

  exposure on the on your camera sensor so [TS]

  that's what you should see if it's doing [TS]

  it wrong [TS]

  what you'll see is bright squared M [TS]

  square bright squared M square bright [TS]

  scared to square the bright ones were [TS]

  the ones that were showing for three [TS]

  frames and the demons are the ones that [TS]

  were shown from two frames so just to be [TS]

  a double extra sure I experiment [TS]

  determined that yes no combination of [TS]

  apple TV plus black course you did [TS]

  will produce anything except for the one [TS]

  I had like a clock dial to which also [TS]

  made the hands go around the clock and [TS]

  24 not the clock but like a thing in 24 [TS]

  increments and USC right-hand dark and [TS]

  bright and dark and it was such a pain [TS]

  in the ass to figure out how to get my [TS]

  camera to do exposure one second cause I [TS]

  don't know any of like the terminology [TS]

  and camera and I was like s shutter [TS]

  shutter speed exposure like ones and the [TS]

  the correct setting i remember what the [TS]

  hell was called the correct settings [TS]

  said one and like the inch sign like a [TS]

  quote we actually like that seconds [TS]

  that's not I mean I guess minutes is a [TS]

  single prime and seconds because [TS]

  normally it's showing you a showing you [TS]

  a fraction of a second and most other [TS]

  cases it will say like umit and it might [TS]

  just say like 500 which is 1 500 of a [TS]

  set of a second so they do a little [TS]

  quote thing just I i think it is like a [TS]

  degree minutes seconds kind of reference [TS]

  there yeah but it's exciting it's more [TS]

  just to be very different from what was [TS]

  shown before so you don't have like five [TS]

  and think it's one fifth of a second [TS]

  yeah very very confusing people don't [TS]

  know for target but anyway LTV no go [TS]

  which is a shame because that's what I [TS]

  wanted to do apple TV has no fan it's [TS]

  got flex on that I could put my my [TS]

  bloopers you know that's why i put my [TS]

  blue ridge right into blacks place we'll [TS]

  play them just fine I can you know it [TS]

  will play the movie but don't get the [TS]

  right Kayden's did your family see you [TS]

  doing this test now then that was they [TS]

  weren't around this time only maybe they [TS]

  were asleep [TS]

  it's a silent test and so but I i asked [TS]

  about it on Twitter got some suggestions [TS]

  like oh you should try on your TV I'd [TS]

  forgotten my tivo even had a plaque sign [TS]

  but guess what TVs a plex client it is [TS]

  HD does it slow [TS]

  it's slow but it will output 24 hurts [TS]

  and it will you will negotiate with my [TS]

  television and convince my television to [TS]

  display that I mean it says 24 but again [TS]

  it's not really 24 a lapper at 24 frames [TS]

  per second cadence but everything else [TS]

  about it is awful i think it's only 720p [TS]

  so I think it's like reconverting the [TS]

  video at the very least the menus appear [TS]

  to be 720p and it down mixes all the [TS]

  audio to something like stereo like it [TS]

  doesn't multi-channel all I think the [TS]

  closest I got was i had managed to [TS]

  forget which one it was the do this i [TS]

  think i had managed through like the [TS]

  playstation 3 which is my good blu-ray [TS]

  player that does that the Great Danes I [TS]

  think I got everything except for it [TS]

  wouldn't do uncompressed the linear PCM [TS]

  audio which the kill bill blu-ray has on [TS]

  it it would only do the AC 31 and I [TS]

  wasn't entirely convinced that have [TS]

  gotten the kids ready don't remember i [TS]

  redo the tests on that but following is [TS]

  none of the devices i had fulfill this [TS]

  requirement and I don't really blame [TS]

  them because this is not a mainstream [TS]

  use nobody cares about this they just [TS]

  want like if you drive I just ripped [TS]

  these movies and just play them like [TS]

  regular people can't tell the [TS]

  application is wrong kids is wrong they [TS]

  don't care that they've been [TS]

  recompressed nobody can hear the [TS]

  difference in compressed and [TS]

  uncompressed audio I certainly can't on [TS]

  my crappy speakers but it's the [TS]

  principle of the matter as you can [TS]

  imagine and and i really do think that I [TS]

  wouldn't notice the case in the same way [TS]

  you can I was like so Barbara fact or [TS]

  whatever I really do want the framerate [TS]

  to rewrite and the whole point of this [TS]

  experiment is if I can't get it all the [TS]

  way then like i'll just go back to [TS]

  watching complete i do have compressed [TS]

  strips of all these things like I can't [TS]

  see the movie and I can put in the [TS]

  blu-ray whenever [TS]

  they care about it right but I'm so [TS]

  close so close so many devices are [TS]

  capable of doing everything they just [TS]

  haven't got the last little bit which is [TS]

  please pass through the audio in [TS]

  whatever format is directly to my [TS]

  receiver which can understand all these [TS]

  formats you can play all them please [TS]

  don't try to down mix please don't [TS]

  refuse to use linear people your PCM [TS]

  only send ac3 please don't do anything [TS]

  like that [TS]

  please don't change the video please [TS]

  don't try to change the 720p and get the [TS]

  get the the display cases right between [TS]

  the television which totally supports [TS]

  this if you talk to it in a reasonable [TS]

  way he talked to television the right [TS]

  way and I got a lot of suggestions for [TS]

  alternatives that will do this [TS]

  obviously if i was to get home theater [TS]

  pc i can do it like lots of mac and pc [TS]

  solutions do this [TS]

  obviously i'm not going to do that even [TS]

  a fanless 1 i'm not gonna kill myself [TS]

  home theater PC I'm not signing up for [TS]

  everyone even yourself a gaming pc even [TS]

  though you really probably should use [TS]

  you won't even do that so there's no way [TS]

  you're building an htpc Firewatch is [TS]

  pretty smooth on the 5ki maximize that [TS]

  tell you it's pretty nice [TS]

  I'm not that's very demanding game but [TS]

  yeah I'm not signing up to that guy [TS]

  don't know I know I could do that I [TS]

  definitely could lot of people suggested [TS]

  Raspberry Pi which is actually I [TS]

  actually kind of considered is like you [TS]

  know what that is that seems simpler [TS]

  than the theater pc can they do that at [TS]

  like a powerful enough to do that kind [TS]

  of roll with people who are people are [TS]

  using for that say it might be [TS]

  borderline but it is I was like is there [TS]

  something i can buy like can i buy a [TS]

  package thing that is really a raspberry [TS]

  pi all packaged together already like I [TS]

  don't want to do any of the crap is like [TS]

  a raspberry pi guts in a box that i can [TS]

  buy and mostly like know you kind of got [TS]

  to do a little bit of stuff yourself so [TS]

  like now I'm not quite for me there's [TS]

  the android shield you know that Nvidia [TS]

  shield TV thing which runs android TV [TS]

  very recently and fire TV both now I [TS]

  believe have options to mess with the [TS]

  refresh rate so you can force it to [TS]

  output in in the right format but there [TS]

  were some questions about whether they [TS]

  supported the the the pastor of the [TS]

  audio and everything and the Nvidia [TS]

  shield is like 200 bucks and it's a [TS]

  gaming think it's not just for [TS]

  television box and it does have a fan [TS]

  although people assure me that the fan [TS]

  basically never turns on or inaudible or [TS]

  whatever you would find when it turns on [TS]

  it is it's big it's like a means for its [TS]

  it's practically a little miniature game [TS]

  console so that I think that's the [TS]

  closest thing I came to consider [TS]

  buying but i really i don't want to have [TS]

  I think I'm almost out of inputs and I [TS]

  don't want to blow one more input on [TS]

  something like this and have one more [TS]

  remote and one more controller and thing [TS]

  or whatever so right now I'm holding [TS]

  pattern on this I haven't ripped anymore [TS]

  my blu-rays does take a little while to [TS]

  do that I think I'm pinning my hopes [TS]

  basically on the appletv I feel like [TS]

  they're really close to getting it right [TS]

  and people have complained Apple about [TS]

  not supporting this I think we even talk [TS]

  not supporting this I think we even talk [TS]

  but i like the reason they might not do [TS]

  it is well if you change to 24 frames [TS]

  per second cadence the GUI looks gross [TS]

  like on the actual device when you're [TS]

  going to the menus and I don't want to [TS]

  change it when you hit play because it's [TS]

  not a good experience that like flickr [TS]

  hdmi refresh rate change thingy i can i [TS]

  can see the solution being that they [TS]

  would just offer 120 and then you know [TS]

  and then you know and they would say i'm [TS]

  sending you 120 for everything and the [TS]

  whole UI 120 that doesn't mean but the [TS]

  24-second this doesn't mean 24 [TS]

  I mean it just means like that you're at [TS]

  cadence but I I don't know if the the [TS]

  portions of the GUI system like that [TS]

  when you're running the mac part of it i [TS]

  don't know if the mac operating system [TS]

  can operate that kind of refresh it like [TS]

  this but i understand i could do a video [TS]

  output like negotiating over hdmi and [TS]

  everything but for the GUI part of it [TS]

  have you to the mac do anything like 240 [TS]

  frames per second or 128gb tips as a can [TS]

  I guess we've never encountered because [TS]

  obviously every LCD is 60 hearts right [TS]

  so whenever it doesn't come up with like [TS]

  the old CRT days where you know fancy [TS]

  CRT you could refresh it 120 hertz and [TS]

  everything be so smooth and awesome and [TS]

  a little bit dim thats kinda flickery [TS]

  but will the ipad pro has dynamic [TS]

  refresh rate and i think is so in and [TS]

  it's samples like that the digitizer at [TS]

  60 and and and I mean at-at I think 120 [TS]

  and the pencil i think it to 40 so it [TS]

  can sample things faster but it's only [TS]

  displaying 60 yeah i think the you is [TS]

  even on the ipad pro even in those [TS]

  movies think the U is still fix 260 but [TS]

  I'm sure they could you know if they [TS]

  wanted to I'm sure they could you know [TS]

  they could push for that for something [TS]

  like the appletv we're like you know the [TS]

  apple TV is kind of special because it's [TS]

  the only device that runs iOS that [TS]

  doesn't need to be concerned at all [TS]

  about power efficiency [TS]

  yeah so it's something that just needs a [TS]

  higher higher wattage GPU or more power [TS]

  draw like on the appletv you can do that [TS]

  with it we know within obviously the the [TS]

  thermal bounds of the enclosure but but [TS]

  you know it's you you have much more [TS]

  Headroom there that you do in something [TS]

  like an iPad and iPhone were where power [TS]

  efficiency is more important to to [TS]

  conserve I'm a little bit afraid they [TS]

  might not consider an issue because from [TS]

  the other people who are like me trying [TS]

  to do some other [TS]

  with apple TV boxes a lot of them ran [TS]

  the experiment with the camera exposure [TS]

  and they saw even evenly colored boxes [TS]

  across the screen which means they're [TS]

  these are people LCD televisions their [TS]

  modern lcds are figuring out the 3-2 [TS]

  coming off of the the I assume 60 Hertz [TS]

  coming out of the apple TV and they're [TS]

  fixing it right and so if that's the [TS]

  case maybe that sample solution is like [TS]

  that which is always going to be 60 [TS]

  thousand have to deal with it but if I [TS]

  was any hope it's going to be the thing [TS]

  connected to a TV like this whole point [TS]

  is to show television and movies and [TS]

  movies are all 24 frames per second [TS]

  except like The Hobbit and stuff and all [TS]

  hot behind program right stuff right we [TS]

  should already hated right I didn't hate [TS]

  it like it looked a little bit weird but [TS]

  I'm Brian would be pretty much i'm bored [TS]

  and wanted to make movies like that they [TS]

  just got to figure out how to make [TS]

  movies like that in the hit in the right [TS]

  way [TS]

  it's like HD like all of a sudden all [TS]

  your assets look really crappy and HD [TS]

  because the sets are made for standard [TS]

  def and now you realize it's like a [TS]

  cardboard box and effect television in [TS]

  the background so I do not hate high [TS]

  frame rate but i think those examples of [TS]

  high frame rate or did not do the [TS]

  formatting justice i feel like it could [TS]

  be done well but anyway that's like [TS]

  little you know the movies i love and so [TS]

  many movies that have their all 24 so I [TS]

  want somebody to display them in that [TS]

  way and so i guess like the filesystem i [TS]

  will just be patiently waiting at [TS]

  certain point i will probably just give [TS]

  up and buy like you know the Nvidia [TS]

  shield or something some box that can do [TS]

  that i don't think i'll ever do a home [TS]

  theater PC because i wanted to that [TS]

  wasn't that long ago like I could have [TS]

  done ages ago I just I just ever so [TS]

  close just so close to getting what I [TS]

  want just you just need a little bit [TS]

  more and the those clients out there [TS]

  that are like like that the t-bone that [TS]

  you're down makes everything starts like [TS]

  why even bother like I known most people [TS]

  don't have surround fine you can have [TS]

  that be the default like happen because [TS]

  it takes more work to down mix like just [TS]

  pass it through like have an option to [TS]

  say hey if they're sending multi-channel [TS]

  audio do you want me to just pass that [TS]

  through because you have received a [TS]

  check this checkbox it's easier to pass [TS]

  it through this is the down makes it so [TS]

  there's some silliness going on in the [TS]

  table TV box market as always but anyway [TS]

  I was impressed [TS]

  I've still remain impressed with Plex in [TS]

  Apple TV combination for television [TS]

  shows and other things that don't have [TS]

  sprained right issue but i still can't [TS]

  quite get rid of my blu-rays and my [TS]

  relatively noisy blu-ray player quite [TS]

  yet you know if there's anything I've [TS]

  learned from listening to you talk about [TS]

  this John and and Marco talking about [TS]

  headphones constantly it's that I am so [TS]

  friggin glad that I don't have the crazy [TS]

  discerning eyes / ears that you guys [TS]

  have because i have never noticed this [TS]

  this Jake eNOS that you're discussing i [TS]

  love my twenty-dollar crappy bluetooth [TS]

  headphones that I use every day that [TS]

  I've talked about ad nauseam on the show [TS]

  I mean not to say I don't appreciate a [TS]

  good set of headphones and not to say [TS]

  i'm sure I that I wouldn't appreciate a [TS]

  perfectly 24 frames per second movie as [TS]

  shown on a TV that's very very nice like [TS]

  yours is but this stuff just doesn't [TS]

  bother me and on man i'm so thankful for [TS]

  that [TS]

  do you notice the soap opera fact I [TS]

  don't even know what that is I've heard [TS]

  of it but don't even know what it is [TS]

  just don't even don't even learn about [TS]

  it i don't know i don't want all I don't [TS]

  want to think I think everybody can [TS]

  notice that once they are once they [TS]

  become aware because i feel like that is [TS]

  the problem it it's like it's like the [TS]

  fedex arrow like everyone right here but [TS]

  before you have seen it at your mind [TS]

  isn't ruined exactly or you don't are [TS]

  you don't know what it is that you're [TS]

  seeing like then you let something like [TS]

  that about it but it looks a little bit [TS]

  i mean even for me the first time I saw [TS]

  it when I got my first television [TS]

  supported that feature [TS]

  I mean look what the hell online and [TS]

  then I remember like half a second all [TS]

  it must come like that out-of-the-box [TS]

  and add you know but if I hadn't read [TS]

  about it before and I would have thought [TS]

  the TV is weird maybe and people just [TS]

  get used to it [TS]

  Casey I feel like making you go over [TS]

  your television right now and adjusting [TS]

  it to make sure that it is showing [TS]

  showing the full 1080 picture instead of [TS]

  cop shopping on the side so it's not so [TS]

  it's not in a drive-through preserved [TS]

  because occasionally on the appletv I [TS]

  can tell where it's getting clipped and [TS]

  I keep telling the TV no show me [TS]

  everything pixel for pixel and then it [TS]

  keeps forgetting every time I turn it [TS]

  off that all that keeps forgetting that [TS]

  Casey this is this is that you finally [TS]

  found a way to get John to drive to your [TS]

  house [TS]

  that's true yeah so you tell me John how [TS]

  to get my think it's a toshiba TV TV to [TS]

  remember that I want full frame and [TS]

  chop off the understand why wouldn't [TS]

  well the only trick I know that if it's [TS]

  not remembering can you name your input [TS]

  pc you can rename your inputs it yes and [TS]

  it is named pc and maybe have like a [TS]

  bomb battery somewhere in there are not [TS]

  keeping that like hasn't forget what's [TS]

  the point of that feature who's gonna [TS]

  change it every time you turn on the [TS]

  television and also to be clear what i'm [TS]

  doing is i'm hitting I think it's pick [TS]

  size for picture size on the remote and [TS]

  it will let me adjust we will let me [TS]

  adjust you know through several [TS]

  different options i don't remember what [TS]

  they are right now but one of them is [TS]

  like full res or dartford I forget [TS]

  exactly what it's called but it will let [TS]

  me adjust to that however every time I [TS]

  turn the TV off and then turn the tv [TS]

  back on it goes back to whatever the [TS]

  default mode is no you got a google for [TS]

  like your television model manual.pdf [TS]

  for like there's always some like it you [TS]

  know servicemen hidden service menu [TS]

  where you're typing some numeric code [TS]

  and some crazy menu comes up on the [TS]

  screen there may be a way to do it and [TS]

  if you can't you just get rid of the [TS]

  television because honestly that's [TS]

  that's obscene or or you just live with [TS]

  it or just resign yourself to a missing [TS]

  a bunch of the picture and be having the [TS]

  rest of the pictures stretched out [TS]

  yep it's gross and to the soap opera [TS]

  fact if you have any satellite [TS]

  television I don't know what I'm gonna [TS]

  tell you now Allah says listen if you [TS]

  don't notice you know it's like i [TS]

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  yep Casey I don't know if they're any [TS]

  setting so I i love how like so what a [TS]

  long time ago and I think like two [TS]

  thousand three ish I i had one of the [TS]

  very first DVD burners and I stupidly [TS]

  picked the wrong side of a format war [TS]

  and I got DVD + are instead of DVD dash [TS]

  are but to be before they [TS]

  universal doesn't matter anyway at the [TS]

  time the the dvds only held single layer [TS]

  so they were only 4.7 gigs and most [TS]

  movie dvds the time for dual layer 8.5 [TS]

  gigs so I had to at that time in order [TS]

  to pirate movies which is the only [TS]

  reason you would need a DVD burner in [TS]

  2002 2003 I wanted actually to backup my [TS]

  movies i had to transcode and had to [TS]

  basically break apart the TV structure [TS]

  transferred the video to fit on the [TS]

  single layer discs from the commercial [TS]

  double layer discs and I and that that's [TS]

  that's the time in my life when I really [TS]

  discovered just how incredibly messy and [TS]

  complicated video is and you know things [TS]

  like all these different frame rates [TS]

  whether it was interlaced interlacing is [TS]

  the worst thing in the universe you know [TS]

  and and then you have all the you know [TS]

  if the aspect ratio was wrong and then [TS]

  you have audio sync issues possibly and [TS]

  and the tools in there was no handbrake [TS]

  at the time the tools were like you know [TS]

  six different tools you this one with d [TS]

  marks the file this one remix the file [TS]

  somewhere transcoding you know you had [TS]

  to it was a huge mess and I remember [TS]

  thinking if in just a few years video [TS]

  will be simple that was 13 years ago and [TS]

  it sounds like video still isn't simple [TS]

  it just the complications now are a [TS]

  little bit different like that you still [TS]

  have some of the same ones we solve some [TS]

  of the old ones we introduce new ones as [TS]

  time went on it and a java software [TS]

  updates [TS]

  I mean just this whole world it just [TS]

  seems like it is so unnecessarily [TS]

  complex but you just never get [TS]

  simplified we're on the right track with [TS]

  like digital downloads and everything I [TS]

  it's just that like that is like the [TS]

  last mile the last mile equivalent as is [TS]

  alright so we we all agree on a set of [TS]

  formats that are reasonable interlacing [TS]

  is gone audio sync shouldn't be an issue [TS]

  anymore because you get like the package [TS]

  of files you have ways to distribute [TS]

  reasonably sized digital files look [TS]

  really good that multi-channel audio [TS]

  even the pirating formats are all pretty [TS]

  nice now like it since this lot there's [TS]

  a lot of uniformity I mean [TS]

  you know the magic of em KB and a lot of [TS]

  stuff right but it's the last miles like [TS]

  okay how do I take these digital bits [TS]

  which are nice and uniform and I can [TS]

  play almost anywhere [TS]

  how do I show them on my television and [TS]

  listen to them through my television [TS]

  speakers or whatever speakers i have [TS]

  heard on television in a way that [TS]

  doesn't suddenly change or some would [TS]

  say ruin the the content because the [TS]

  video file has a certain frame right and [TS]

  if you don't show it at some multiple of [TS]

  that frame rate it's gonna look weird [TS]

  and if you have multi-channel audio and [TS]

  you down makes it all the stereo it's [TS]

  going to be weird or if you just drop [TS]

  the back channels and this is a piece of [TS]

  dialogue or sound effect that only [TS]

  happens in the back channels it's going [TS]

  to be weird and that's before you even [TS]

  get into how many times is compressed [TS]

  and how many times it recompress tree [TS]

  compressing a double-sided double layer [TS]

  DVD down the single-layer that's gross [TS]

  because then take two with gross to [TS]

  begin with and now you're just making it [TS]

  worse [TS]

  I would never bother with that it was [TS]

  2003 now yeah that's not good tho you [TS]

  gotta play the pure and take two is [TS]

  that's as good as it's gonna get [TS]

  yeah but back then like you were lucky [TS]

  if you had like a 10 gig hard drive [TS]

  yeah well i have a guess but then we [TS]

  have like 60 but still like that was [TS]

  still not a lot when you have eight gig [TS]

  dvds and you have a 60 gig hard drive [TS]

  yeah and the final part of the final [TS]

  model was just telling Casey which is [TS]

  televisions up for a variety of good and [TS]

  bad reasons try to do stuff with the [TS]

  picture to make it look quote-unquote [TS]

  better or more correct or whatever and a [TS]

  lot of the things they do to the picture [TS]

  make it look crazy like for example the [TS]

  high refresh rate lcds that had the [TS]

  refresh it 240 hearts decide you know [TS]

  what we're eating at 240 hertz i'm [TS]

  showing at 24 frames per second movie [TS]

  what the hell's the point me showing [TS]

  frame number 110 times can we do [TS]

  something clever and basically instead [TS]

  of showing frame number 110 times and [TS]

  frame number 2 10 times we know what [TS]

  frame number one frame number two are [TS]

  going to be like can we show 20 pictures [TS]

  were frame number one slowly morphs into [TS]

  frame number two [TS]

  alright thanks for three sponsors this [TS]

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  see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

  it was accidental John racer Marco in kc [TS]

  wouldn't let him [TS]

  because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

  and you can find the show know today p [TS]

  dot and if your twitter follow them [TS]

  yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC [TS]

  syracuse it [TS]

  so anyway that that effect where it [TS]

  takes it takes ten frame number 110 [TS]

  frame over to and tries to make 20 [TS]

  frames each of which starts at one end [TS]

  it too but each one has a little thing [TS]

  between that's like called by million [TS]

  their names are a million different [TS]

  manufacturers motion smoothing picture [TS]

  interpolation magic shadow I i totally [TS]

  blanked what it try that one more time [TS]

  because i don't think i understand [TS]

  alright so you're you got I couldn't [TS]

  resist the case you just hang up the [TS]

  call and hang up everything so yes well [TS]

  I initiated today didn't I [TS]

  I couldn't tell what like walking up on [TS]

  where is high-quality he hung up he [TS]

  would have gone away but then why is [TS]

  Margo gone too [TS]

  yes sorry i forgot that i kicked off the [TS]

  call today that's that's even more and [TS]

  less communicative this new chick that [TS]

  you have hanging up on podcasts need to [TS]

  stick to sit sit down Casey we never [TS]

  talk to you about hanging up on podcasts [TS]

  you can do it once it might be fun but [TS]

  if it becomes a thing now we have an [TS]

  issue and now we have talked about how [TS]

  you're hanging up on but now we need an [TS]

  intervention is is affecting other [TS]

  people mostly made good anyway I hope [TS]

  you do understand the motion something [TS]

  thing and here's the thing about it if [TS]

  you don't notice it turn it off on your [TS]

  television ever think about to get [TS]

  across cases television probably just [TS]

  turn it back on exactly go ahead and [TS]

  back up but if you turn if you don't [TS]

  notice when it's on you also notice when [TS]

  it's off and it will make everyone feel [TS]

  better [TS]

  so just turn it off I think if you watch [TS]

  television with it off for a long time [TS]

  and then you turn it back on you will [TS]

  notice you'll be like what the hell is [TS]

  this it will look different and weird [TS]

  you even things like sports will look [TS]

  different and weird if you're telling [TS]

  any features about like super brightness [TS]

  enhancer magical sparkly make better [TS]

  just turn all of those off you don't [TS]

  know what they are turned off not low [TS]

  not medium like how much noise reduction [TS]

  do I want off off off off and then you [TS]

  turn everything off and if you don't [TS]

  like how your television look with [TS]

  everything off you probably have crappy [TS]

  TV may be considered [TS]

  turning one or two things back on to [TS]

  make your your crappy TV look better but [TS]

  realistically if you have a reasonable [TS]

  television turn all that stuff i will [TS]

  put a link in the show notes to my fill [TS]

  your TV article which was just the most [TS]

  basic plea to get people to show the [TS]

  full HD picture on the television [TS]

  because i don't think it's unreasonable [TS]

  like is that is that crazy that you know [TS]

  they send a 1080 picture you decide you [TS]

  know what I don't need to see that the [TS]

  inch around the whole make it stretch it [TS]

  out so I don't see that part of the [TS]

  screen [TS]

  don't do that that is the easiest [TS]

  setting that every intelligent [TS]

  everything else is much more complicated [TS]

  you can calibrate your television get [TS]

  the calibration apps all blah blah so i [TS]

  would just say start by having your [TS]

  picture for television i'm glad the case [TS]

  he figured out how to do in this [TS]

  television I'm sad that his television [TS]

  apparently is not listening to him when [TS]

  he doesn't well that may or may not be [TS]

  true it very well could be user error [TS]

  and there might be some not even like a [TS]

  girly man hater something instead of [TS]

  doing it on the flow short in that and i [TS]

  have looked but I have I've only spent a [TS]

  moment looking at it and it very well [TS]

  could be that i didn't just either not [TS]

  realizing what the setting is called or [TS]

  not looking in the right place like I [TS]

  feel like I'm a reasonably bright guy [TS]

  but I wouldn't completely put it past me [TS]

  that you got it is always like 141 or [TS]

  dot dot for daughter like you you said [TS]

  all the things like the various names [TS]

  they call them it's not always [TS]

  straightforward i think i mentioned in [TS]

  the article about like sometimes called [TS]

  size one myself it's called size one [TS]

  size too which makes no freakin sense [TS]

  which 10 and i would never remember [TS]

  which one is which but I just never [TS]

  change in my television remember so I [TS]

  don't worry about that although actually [TS]

  that's not true i changed it recently [TS]

  because the stupid wii UI complain about [TS]

  that before in we mowed when you play [TS]

  wii games on the wii u busily you will [TS]

  play all three games wii games for [TS]

  standard def right so when the wii u [TS]

  plays them it outputs into the title [TS]

  safe area like it outputs the shrunken [TS]

  image on your HD screen so if you have [TS]

  your television calibrated correctly you [TS]

  play weekend is a black border around [TS]

  the entire week game and the only way to [TS]

  fix it because nintendo is stupid is to [TS]

  change the size of your television say [TS]

  alright while you're playing this game [TS]

  go into the stupid over scan mode where [TS]

  you stretch everything just so you'll [TS]

  get the image to fill the screen and not [TS]

  have weird burning around the edges or [TS]

  whatever so I have changed that a couple [TS]

  times for my kids to play wii games but [TS]

  in general I leave it on the correct [TS]

  mode as everybody should because why [TS]

  would you know you're paying for the [TS]

  whole picture [TS]

  why not see it all now it does drive me [TS]

  nuts on the appletv I forget [TS]

  specifically what it is but there's [TS]

  something like a menu or maybe it's the [TS]

  music app something that that is clearly [TS]

  cut off on the bottom and it drives me [TS]

  preserved but not enough that I've spent [TS]

  the time [TS]

  spelunking through the you the owners [TS]

  manual in the menu system and all that [TS]

  trying to find the right switch to flip [TS]

  now i'm waiting for Declan to destroy [TS]

  your television accidentally thanks and [TS]

  smear some peanut butter into something [TS]

  very important part of it is gonna have [TS]

  to get a lot taller because it's [TS]

  something boy you know you would hate my [TS]

  TV has come to think of it because it's [TS]

  above our fireplace on the wall the [TS]

  wrong place for you know I know it's way [TS]

  higher than it should be but I'm but [TS]

  there's no other good spot for it i see [TS]

  that it never seemed like a house [TS]

  magazine you know like interior [TS]

  decorating magazine or some sort of [TS]

  homebrew amazing every single freaking [TS]

  house they show as television all the [TS]

  fireplace and I'm like who are these [TS]

  people what they want you know the house [TS]

  magazine they also have like white [TS]

  couches and like yeah I'm Casey is why [TS]

  don't you have a white couch do you know [TS]

  Brown yeah like even even Casey who gets [TS]

  white everything you wouldn't get a [TS]

  white cabbage with you whenever I catch [TS]

  for long now the deklan's on the move [TS]

  yeah so just life exists like nobody can [TS]

  have a white couch for more than like 10 [TS]

  minutes before it's not white anymore [TS]

  but if you look at all those magazines [TS]

  all their furniture is all white because [TS]

  it doesn't need to be functional just [TS]

  needs to look at a picture New England [TS]

  you see a lot of it because in doing the [TS]

  houses were made before televisions [TS]

  existed so there's no place to put a [TS]

  television this is just busy the windows [TS]

  on the wall like there's no place to put [TS]

  a television where you can have a couch [TS]

  on your television here and count on the [TS]

  opposite side so the only place to do it [TS]

  is like a lot of the rooms are arranged [TS]

  so you can have a couch facing your [TS]

  fireplace because that's what the [TS]

  gathered around before they had [TS]

  television right and so the only place [TS]

  you have for your flat TV like that's [TS]

  why people excited by flat-panel dollars [TS]

  now we can finally hold hangover [TS]

  fireplace but then I know [TS]

  doesn't your neck hurt from like looking [TS]

  up towards the ceiling all the time it's [TS]

  the wrong place for TV so it's [TS]

  unequivocally the wrong place for TV [TS]

  with problem is we have if you're [TS]

  sitting on the couch the way we have the [TS]

  room arranged it's a very very wide but [TS]

  very short room that makes [TS]

  hands and so the couch is facing the [TS]

  fireplace just like you said and above [TS]

  the fireplace is the TV because that's [TS]

  really the only decent place for it in [TS]

  the room I mean marco spend their [TS]

  handful of times it's the in terms of [TS]

  the room that's the best place for the [TS]

  TV and to me the room is the priority [TS]

  not the TV and so we've put in what is [TS]

  unequivocally in arguably the wrong [TS]

  place because I'd rather the room look [TS]

  good for well be reasonably arranged [TS]

  over the TV in the most perfect viewing [TS]

  position for you and tips to get [TS]

  together with your little society if we [TS]

  don't care where the television is or [TS]

  what yeah you're Marcus television is [TS]

  too high and the Historical Society [TS]

  demands that you have sound bar and [TS]

  those are two kinds of things that are [TS]

  absolutely in an opposition to my value [TS]

  system that like I don't care about [TS]

  anything in the room except the TV and i [TS]

  even i don't have a good place for my I [TS]

  don't have a good place for my TV either [TS]

  like i have the same problem i have a [TS]

  you know I New England house it's [TS]

  centered around the fireplace i have [TS]

  almost no place to my TV [TS]

  almost i just found one place to wedge [TS]

  it and did the best I can but at the [TS]

  very least sister at the right height [TS]

  well the funny thing is my house was [TS]

  built like 98 or something like that so [TS]

  I don't know why the the family room was [TS]

  tradition like against a certain style [TS]

  of home and a certain style homes made [TS]

  the way now rich people homes and modern [TS]

  homes always have a room like you know a [TS]

  home theater room or like a room for [TS]

  like the room is that is absolutely [TS]

  hundred percent designed to say this [TS]

  entire wall is for you to put all your [TS]

  expensive AV equipment and directly [TS]

  opposite that entire wall is seating for [TS]

  a bunch of people who are facing it [TS]

  exactly like there's thing and you're [TS]

  facing it and there's always like one [TS]

  perfect seat exactly in the middle of [TS]

  the room exactly in the middle of the [TS]

  surround speakers for you're looking at [TS]

  the screen head on that exactly the [TS]

  right height every rich person house at [TS]

  it but unless you're doing new [TS]

  construction and we are buying a house [TS]

  from a rich person you don't have that [TS]

  you just have a house that's made in a [TS]

  handful of styles most of which all the [TS]

  styles that were invented before [TS]

  televisions were around flat-panel [TS]

  otherwise and so they just don't have a [TS]

  place for TV and I'm just impressed that [TS]

  like that at the resolve of people like [TS]

  Casey who can pull wall-mounted TV [TS]

  because like I like we've been we've [TS]

  lived in this house now for about five [TS]

  or six years the TV has been in the same [TS]

  spot the entire [TS]

  fire time I cannot think of a different [TS]

  place that we would put a TV than where [TS]

  the TV is yeah you've got challenges to [TS]

  and you remove it's a big open room [TS]

  right but still like we've never played [TS]

  the TV anywhere else would ever want to [TS]

  be anywhere else we put the TV there [TS]

  that day we moved in and we've never [TS]

  moved it because it works great and I [TS]

  still I still wouldn't wall mount it [TS]

  because to me that feeling such a big [TS]

  commitment and it makes everything so [TS]

  much less flexible like I still would [TS]

  not want mount it [TS]

  no local Walmart's have like a swingarm [TS]

  where you can like facing in different [TS]

  directions and someone is not a big deal [TS]

  some of the elders especially with my [TS]

  you don't realize because you have an [TS]

  older television but modern televisions [TS]

  are so thin and light that it's [TS]

  basically like a big monitor on an arm [TS]

  it's actually pretty cool and it's just [TS]

  a couple of bolts into the walls not [TS]

  that big of a deal em now that I'm [TS]

  saying you should do I think your TV is [TS]

  fine where it is but you have the same [TS]

  problem where else could you put your [TS]

  television [TS]

  I can't you like unless you decide to [TS]

  make an artificial wall out of your [TS]

  television which I have to admit it's [TS]

  probably something i would consider in [TS]

  your house obviously not a tip that any [TS]

  say in it but because that's the real [TS]

  dream here's the real dream of people [TS]

  who are i would love to have you come [TS]

  over and suggestive have my people have [TS]

  TV of such as what you want obviously [TS]

  you want like a dedicated remember i'm [TS]

  not that big about like a dedicated home [TS]

  theater room like down the basement [TS]

  because I feel like you're always going [TS]

  to use like whatever the upstairs room [TS]

  is near the kitchen so I would make that [TS]

  my television room and you know the [TS]

  television is there and facing me and [TS]

  the speakers are all arranged in the [TS]

  right way then all that other stuff but [TS]

  here's the here's the the important part [TS]

  the whole wall that has a television and [TS]

  the speakers in it or in front of it or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  there has to be a room behind that wall [TS]

  that can't be like the at the end [TS]

  because getting to the crap behind all [TS]

  your AV equipment is a nightmare so all [TS]

  the fancy rich people houses have [TS]

  essentially all your AV equipment and [TS]

  then you can walk behind it either [TS]

  because the rest of the house continues [TS]

  behind it or because it's just like a a [TS]

  crawl space or alcover cubby for both [TS]

  ventilation and because it is that is [TS]

  the ultimate luxury being able to walk [TS]

  behind your AV equipment see all the [TS]

  wires have them all arranged like you're [TS]

  in a data center like they're all [TS]

  perfectly rounded like using cables [TS]

  going RAC sit and just that is just [TS]

  amazing for me I can't get my stuff [TS]

  without like contorting my body like a [TS]

  you know the yoga master getting behind [TS]

  there and bending down having a little [TS]

  flashlight and trying to it's just [TS]

  impossible because who has enough room [TS]

  do you have a room behind their [TS]

  television stuff the only purpose of [TS]

  which is to get in the back of all your [TS]

  television stuff [TS]

  rich people that's what the entire rest [TS]

  of the country that's you know everyone [TS]

  else except people who live on the coast [TS]

  now they have big hit big giant houses [TS]

  and mansions but unless you have a [TS]

  dedicated own theater room they even [TS]

  people who wall mounts like well you [TS]

  know one shot at this and hdmi cables [TS]

  going down through the walls going to [TS]

  poke out over here and this is where you [TS]

  need to put your stuff and if you ever [TS]

  need to mess around behind there [TS]

  you're basically gonna have to unplug it [TS]

  because or slide your whole thing out [TS]

  there has to be a wheels like it's it's [TS]

  a big pain so I you know I've only ever [TS]

  seen people have dedicated rooms to also [TS]

  be able to have a room behind the room [TS]

  to get your AV stuff and that that is [TS]

  that's where it's at your next house job [TS]

  yeah right now my never house [TS]