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0:00:08Hello and welcome to episode two of Connected on Relay FM. This episode is brought to you by
0:00:13OmniGraffle, Igloo and Blogo. My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by my partners in crime
0:00:20Mr Federico Vittucci. Hello Federico. Hey Myke. And Mr Stephen Hackett. Hello.
0:00:26How we doing guys? Episode number two! We made it!
0:00:29Dose.
0:00:30Can we start displaying episodes on the website using Roman numbers?
0:00:38I feel like that would be more epic.
0:00:42This is the problem with us now having complete control. It's now Federico conferring these
0:00:47insane ideas and we have to find a reason to tell him "No, we can't" as opposed to just being like
0:00:52"Eh, it's not that we're controlling."
0:00:52How about we're out of money for now? That's a pretty good reason.
0:00:56I like that one, that works.
0:00:59But what we'll do with Federico, we'll put that on the back burner and we'll investigate
0:01:03Roman numerals at a later date.
0:01:05So we're putting it in the parking lot.
0:01:07Some people would say that, some people would say that.
0:01:10So we'll go back to this idea.
0:01:12Yeah, it's on an index card.
0:01:15So before we do follow up Federico, you had a pretty exciting day today with a launch.
0:01:20What is going on?
0:01:22Yeah, so basically I helped my girlfriend.
0:01:28She's Aylis on Twitter, A-Y-L-Y-S. And she's
0:01:35been working on this set of icons for OmniFocus 2.
0:01:38And basically she made this insane huge set of icons
0:01:45to modify the perspectives in OmniFocus 2.
0:01:48And these are 100 icons in five colors and two resolutions.
0:01:53You can change.
0:01:54You can customize the perspectives in OmniFocus.
0:01:56You can apply the icons that you prefer.
0:01:59So it's a little icon pack-- not so little, I guess.
0:02:04It's an icon pack to customize your OmniFocus 2 experience.
0:02:07And these icons can sync from the Mac to iOS.
0:02:12And it's actually the second version of the set
0:02:16that we call Perspective Icons.
0:02:17The first one came out in 2012.
0:02:19It was a huge success for us.
0:02:21And now this new, this one is a new version.
0:02:24It's just for OmniFocus 2.
0:02:26We've been, I've been helping her with the design ideas
0:02:30and actually I just provide ideas because she does the design
0:02:34and I'm just, I guess, bothering her.
0:02:36- You're icon director.
0:02:38That's your role.
0:02:40(laughing)
0:02:41- Yeah, I'm an icon director, okay.
0:02:45No, really, I just like to help out for feedback and stuff that goes on the website, the copy
0:02:51and the blog posts and that kind of stuff.
0:02:54And so if you want to check it out, if you have OmniFocus 2, they can also be used for
0:03:01other apps, like on the website we have screenshots showing these icons with MindNode, which is
0:03:06the mindmapping app, and Alfred, the application launcher for the Mac.
0:03:11So if you want to check it out, the website is called iconsandcoffee.com.
0:03:15You can guess who is the icons and who is the coffee here.
0:03:21And they're called Perspective Icons 2.
0:03:24You will see a banner on the homepage.
0:03:29It was a pretty insane week because we were preparing the launch and contacting people,
0:03:36the blog posts and screenshots and the website.
0:03:40It's a lot of stuff to work on, especially if you're just two people.
0:03:47I have to think about other stuff like backstory and the show.
0:03:52I need to catch up on some sleep, probably cut down on the espresso, the daily intake
0:03:58of coffee, but otherwise it's been a great day.
0:04:02Thank you for letting me mention the project.
0:04:07awesome and it's you know you showed us some some examples a while back and they
0:04:13really are good looking and what's cool is you don't just have these inframany
0:04:16focus you can use them really anywhere you can stick an icon so definitely well
0:04:22worth checking out. We have a mountain I think metric it's called a ton with a
0:04:33a double N and an E. Yeah. So a lot of follow up about the iPod and we're going to start
0:04:40off with the name itself. So a lot of people, Michael Ruggerson was the lucky guy to get
0:04:47his tweet in the show notes, but a lot of people say portable on demand is what the
0:04:54what pod stood for. So they got iPod adding an I to the beginning of an acronym for portable
0:05:00on demand. However according to an article on Wired magazine that's not
0:05:06really where the name came from and it might be a nice coincidence but this
0:05:12article on Wired says that it was offered up by a freelance copywriter who
0:05:15is helping Apple work on the the marketing and the idea was to Federico's
0:05:22point that the Mac was the hub and you know hub is kind of like a space station
0:05:28or a spaceship and you have this little vessel like a pod that kind of goes back
0:05:33and forth which I think is probably Federico where that where the idea came
0:05:38to in your mind so that's that's you know the quote you know open the pod bay
0:05:42door how from Space Odyssey 2001 not so much playable on demand at least
0:05:48according to this article so kind of Federico was that freelance copywriter
0:05:54maybe that's how he knows maybe maybe in my in my previous life I I chose the
0:06:03name for the iPod who knows we also have gotten a lot of photos from people using
0:06:12old iPods so one from Adam on Twitter episode 1 of connected playing on a
0:06:21first-generation iPod yeah that was we awesome we did get a bunch of photos but
0:06:28I think this was my favorite I think this is the there were a bunch of people
0:06:31that were sending in there like the show playing on iPods or just like their old
0:06:35iPods but this was like the major above for those things yeah it was like
0:06:40episode one of connected playing on the original iPod thank you Adam for doing
0:06:45that and we're gonna put a link to that along of all of our other links into
0:06:49today's show notes Federico. Oh God. Federico where would somebody find the show notes?
0:06:59Well the show notes are, well first they are a piece of material that you can find in textual
0:07:05form on the website, on the web. So if you're so inclined to go on the web and to surf to
0:07:14the Relay FM website, you would go to relay.fm/connected/2 and you will find the show notes that you
0:07:26are looking for.
0:07:27That's the best description of where to find show notes.
0:07:30I think I've never heard.
0:07:31I think you were stalling while poking around the website.
0:07:34No, no, no, no.
0:07:36Not at all.
0:07:38Why don't you trust me, Steven?
0:07:41I trust you completely.
0:07:42I do wish however you would stop leaving and joining the Google document.
0:07:46It's freaking out.
0:07:51It's like your face keeps disappearing and reappearing.
0:07:53It's very exciting.
0:07:56So the next chunk of iPod follow up is about skip protection, which I believe the exact
0:08:02quote from Myke was, "I don't know how it works, so we're going to move past it."
0:08:08- Yeah, that was my way of dealing with the conversation,
0:08:12which is to ignore the conversation.
0:08:14- So I went to the K-Bass as one does,
0:08:18and I would like to read you
0:08:21from frequently asked question number nine about the iPod.
0:08:24The question is, "Can I use iPod while running
0:08:27"or doing other activities?
0:08:28"Will my music skip?
0:08:30"Answer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
0:08:33"iPod offers a 20 minute of skip protection,
0:08:35twice that of any hard drive base blah blah blah blah blah.
0:08:39Not really all that exciting.
0:08:41The real fun question is number 10.
0:08:45How does it work?
0:08:46So it says like we spoke about, the iPod has a memory cache, it has made a solid state
0:08:51memory meaning it has no mechanical moving parts blah blah blah.
0:08:54iPod skip protection works by preloading up to 25 minutes of music to the cache at a time.
0:09:00iPod plays music from the memory cache rather than the hard drive so even rigorous activities
0:09:05won't cause music to skip.
0:09:06So more or less what we talked about,
0:09:08where it preloads and then plays from that.
0:09:10And so every 20 or 25 minutes, the hard drive spins up.
0:09:13Of course, if you're listening to shuffle
0:09:15or bouncing around your music,
0:09:19that is a little less effective.
0:09:21And of course now it only matters to me
0:09:23'cause according to ATP,
0:09:25might be the only person with an iPod Classic, so.
0:09:27- I do have an iPod Classic under my desk.
0:09:33- Is it keeping it level?
0:09:35Now I think it's, I don't know if it's broken or not.
0:09:38I just don't use it.
0:09:40- Yeah. - Because you actually
0:09:42use your iPod Classic.
0:09:44- Mostly in the car, but yes.
0:09:46Yeah.
0:09:49So, a little more on this.
0:09:54We have a tweet from Michael somebody,
0:09:59Baron, Baron Bach?
0:10:03who in addition to you know obviously Apple spun it as hey you can be really
0:10:07active with it and it's really good
0:10:09Michael's point is that the real reason is that the hard drive had a pretty big
0:10:13power draw as well and that
0:10:14you know pulling music from solid-state memory
0:10:17is uh...
0:10:19is less power intensive so the battery can last longer
0:10:22it's kind of a you know a dual uh... dual purpose which is
0:10:25which is really nice
0:10:28uh...
0:10:29I guess really uh... two more links and then Myke you can tell us about this email
0:10:33this awesome email that we got.
0:10:34- Oh yeah.
0:10:35- So minimallyminimal.com,
0:10:40which is the hardest website name to read.
0:10:42There's always like really nice photo essays on this website.
0:10:47So the one of the show notes is to the iPod mini,
0:10:49they have a silver one.
0:10:51And it's a lot of like really nice photos of it
0:10:53along with like the iSight camera and some iPhones
0:10:55kind of putting it in place with other products.
0:10:58And we spoke about last week
0:11:00how the iPod mini was a fashion accessory.
0:11:02Like, when you look at these pictures, like the personality that it has really comes out.
0:11:08You know, that it is a device with personality and a device that you connect to.
0:11:14It's a really great photo essay.
0:11:16All of these photo essays on this site are really well done.
0:11:19This isn't in your RSS reader, it really should be.
0:11:22Wasn't this the guy who did the surface redesign that got hired by Microsoft for Xbox?
0:11:27I'm not sure.
0:11:28Maybe the chatroom knows that.
0:11:29I don't know.
0:11:30I think that's the case.
0:11:31You have good memory, Myke.
0:11:33Does that ring a bell with you, Federico?
0:11:35Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
0:11:37I'm not sure about this website, but I do remember one guy.
0:11:40You know, I think this guy actually didn't...
0:11:44He's not the same guy you did the office redesign with the space wallpapers.
0:11:48You remember those?
0:11:49Yeah.
0:11:50Like, office on the moon.
0:11:52Well, no, people were telling in the chat room, Carl's the Grey.
0:11:55The same guy?
0:11:56the Grey, the wizard who is, has just told me that yeah it's him.
0:12:02Kyle's next in our show notes.
0:12:04Whoa.
0:12:05That's serendipity.
0:12:06See I told you there's Microsoft 2012, there's the Microsoft logo on the moon and stuff.
0:12:13I do remember correctly, I just thought it was another guy.
0:12:17Yes.
0:12:18So Kyle wrote this really great article about the iPod Nano, how it was, you know, influential
0:12:26in his life. It's sad that he was in fifth grade when the iPod nano came out. I think
0:12:31Kyle's like 15. He talks about sex appeal in the fifth grade which is kind of weird
0:12:37but a nice article. Bye everyone! See you next week!
0:12:47Well, Relay FM was a good idea. An article that really is nice in what we were talking
0:12:55about how the iPod struck a whole generation of people sort of in a very profound way and
0:13:01I think that was Kyle's experience and I think it's the experience of people who have been
0:13:05sitting in pictures right like you don't keep around your first generation you know magic
0:13:12mouse or something right like this is a device that people care about and unless you're Steven
0:13:16yeah you know I have I'm doing it for historical research sure but uh you know
0:13:27that idea that you know you have all your music with you you know just like
0:13:30we talked about I think that really hits home for a lot of people I think that's
0:13:34why the iPod is still even though it might not important to Apple's bottom
0:13:38line like I can't help but think the company itself might have a little bit
0:13:44of that still, that they themselves have a sense of connection, if you will, to the device
0:13:53that they can't shake.
0:13:57So the next part of the follow-up came to me directly via a secret channel.
0:14:04And this is from Elliot, who is @skipperel on Twitter.
0:14:08If you all allow me, gentlemen, I'd like to read a part of this amazing email.
0:14:12So what Elliot says, he says he was actually working as an intern at Sony in Tokyo when
0:14:19the iPod was released in a group that was doing music software and weird music hardware
0:14:23like PCs and mini-disc drives and speaker outlets and stuff like that.
0:14:28Which is incredible.
0:14:29Sony is so, like there was an article on the Verge about weird Sony, like they do crazy
0:14:35things.
0:14:36Anyways.
0:14:37So shortly after the iPod was released someone brought one into the office that he was working
0:14:40and everybody gathered around. Everyone had kinds... they had all over the place all kinds of weird
0:14:48portable music players that they were developing. Some, Elliot says, were pretty neat. Many never
0:14:53saw the light of day for various, various weird reasons. But everyone there was fascinated by
0:14:59the iPod. Elliot says, and I'm going to quote this part, "I think it was apparent that it was going to
0:15:03be a big deal and it was going to hurt Sony. It was obvious to me at the time and at that moment
0:15:08that they were kind of screwed.
0:15:10In many ways, that was the beginning
0:15:11of the end for them in that domain, which
0:15:13was shocking considering how significant the Walkman had
0:15:16been up until that point.
0:15:17I think it's just a nice way of putting it into context.
0:15:20Clearly, Sony were working on stuff,
0:15:22but the things that they were working on
0:15:24just simply weren't as good.
0:15:26>>And especially for context, it's funny to remember
0:15:29that when Sony introduced the PSP in 2004, I'm going to say,
0:15:37They tried to present the PSP, which is the PlayStation Portable, as the next generation Walkman,
0:15:44which of course failed because of Sony's decision to rely on UMD, which were a proprietary disk format for the PSP.
0:15:53So it appears to me that Sony, like other companies such as Blackberry,
0:16:01they are kind of aware of the future and where the competition is going and what people are going to want
0:16:08but then for some reason they remain stuck on their own old principles and ideas
0:16:15because after the iPod you cannot imagine that people will want a PSP as their everyday portable media device
0:16:26that's just unreasonable to expect people to use that
0:16:30So the PSP had many problems and reading this email and the Walkman reference, I remember
0:16:37that Sony is the kind of company that when it comes to phones and portable devices for
0:16:44music, they never quite understood the future.
0:16:50And there's also an argument that you can make about the PS Vita, but we have another
0:16:55show for that, I guess.
0:16:57Sorry, Steven.
0:16:58No, that's fine.
0:17:01That show is virtual on Relay FM.
0:17:03Is that your announcer voice?
0:17:06Apparently so.
0:17:07It's good.
0:17:08Do you change personalities when you do those voices?
0:17:11I change personalities for every show.
0:17:14This week on Connected.
0:17:19So yeah, that's iPod follow-up.
0:17:22That's all follow-up.
0:17:23Well, we only have one episode, so the follow-up can only therefore be about one thing.
0:17:28Yeah, because everything was about the iPod.
0:17:31Yeah.
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0:20:07So gentlemen, topic zero.
0:20:14Have we explained what topic zero is before?
0:20:17Probably not.
0:20:18So we plan ahead, but then today especially is a very busy day.
0:20:22And so topic zero is often like things that we weren't going to talk about, but we're
0:20:27going to talk about now.
0:20:29And so Federico, you kind of want to walk us through what Dropbox did this morning?
0:20:34Yes.
0:20:35The too long, didn't read version is that Dropbox has been cutting costs on the Pro subscription,
0:20:43so you can now pay 10 bucks a month and you get 1TB of storage.
0:20:49The longer version is that the Pro Dropbox subscription is cheaper for 1TB, the 100GB
0:20:58plan has gone away.
0:21:01Dropbox is cheaper than Google Drive if you want to pay on an annual basis, so you only pay 99 bucks
0:21:08if you want to buy 12 months of Dropbox Pro.
0:21:11And the Pro version gets you extra features, such as the possibility to assign passwords to shared links
0:21:19to control the people that can access a shared folder, whether they can view or edit the contents of a folder.
0:21:28you can remotely wipe a device that's connected to Dropbox.
0:21:32So if you use your iPhone or your iPad or a Mac
0:21:36or if you're a set person, an Android device,
0:21:39you can remotely wipe the Dropbox app
0:21:42from another computer.
0:21:44And the next time the Dropbox client on that device
0:21:48is launched, it will be automatically erased
0:21:51from the cloud.
0:21:53And what else?
0:21:55There are other features, such as--
0:21:57there's the old packrat add-on for Pro customers which allowed you to
0:22:03essentially keep an unlimited history of changes to your files in Dropbox as
0:22:10being changed with this transition to Dropbox Pro and it has been
0:22:15reduced to one year of version history for files and it's
0:22:21called extended version history and this has upset some people and the basics
0:22:27of the Dropbox Pro, you pay on a month-by-month basis, you can pay an annual subscription,
0:22:36you can still upgrade to Dropbox for business, but that's for companies and small teams and
0:22:42such.
0:22:44The basic idea is that Dropbox is now as competitive, at least from a price point perspective, as
0:22:50Google Drive and is actually cheaper if you want to pay for 12 months right away.
0:22:56And personally, I think this is a great move because, I mean, one terabyte of storage for
0:23:0310 bucks a month is pretty much a standard at this point.
0:23:07And I'm glad to see that they are starting to add extra features to the Dropbox website
0:23:11and apps because they have been kind of slow in terms of new features for consumers.
0:23:22have been adding new APIs and new developer features over the past couple of years, but
0:23:27really for consumers they haven't added much new groundbreaking stuff. I mean Dropbox is
0:23:32still Dropbox, it's just a folder that connects to apps. So I'm glad to see new consumer features.
0:23:38And I am going to buy a Pro subscription again. I don't have it right now because I have tons
0:23:47of storage and I didn't really need it, but the extra features for the links and the passwords
0:23:53and the permission controls and the extender history, I want those, so I'm going to upgrade
0:24:00it again. Also because I don't think I'm going to use iCloud Drive much, which is coming with
0:24:05iOS 8 and Yosemite, hopefully next month. So what are you guys going to do? Are you
0:24:11You guys gonna stick it out with the free version, try iCalc drive, switch to Google
0:24:17drive, switch to Amazon.
0:24:19Yeah, I'm gonna put everything on S3 and pay every time I need to access it.
0:24:23No, I am.
0:24:24You can switch to Picasa.
0:24:26No, no, what's the name?
0:24:30Not Picasa.
0:24:31What's the name of the weird startup that gave you like unlimited storage?
0:24:35Picture life?
0:24:36No, no, no, no, no.
0:24:39Like infinite storage.
0:24:40That's the tagline.
0:24:42BitKaza, I think.
0:24:44You guys remember that?
0:24:45BitKaza.
0:24:46Yeah.
0:24:47I don't.
0:24:48I don't remember that.
0:24:49It's like infinite drive.
0:24:50Infinite drive, your external hard drive in the cloud.
0:24:53Yeah.
0:24:54You could switch to one of these startups like copy.com just on principle.
0:25:00I don't know.
0:25:03I'm not going to do anything yet.
0:25:05I also, like you, have lots of storage.
0:25:09I would be much more comfortable paying the $9.99 a month.
0:25:12I can't remember how much Dropbox was before,
0:25:15but I remember thinking it was maybe,
0:25:17I don't know, it just felt a little expensive to me.
0:25:21So $9.99 a month for it, it's fantastic,
0:25:25especially for that sort of storage size.
0:25:28I don't know if, I mean, I'm not even using
0:25:31my current space, whatever that is.
0:25:33And I'm kind of interested to see
0:25:37what I move to iCloud Drive.
0:25:39I put my photos in Dropbox at the moment.
0:25:41I don't plan on doing that.
0:25:43I would like to move them to Apple solution
0:25:45whenever is a good time to do that.
0:25:48- So it took two episodes to get the photo management.
0:25:50- Yep.
0:25:51- Yeah, I actually wanted to mention these as well.
0:25:53So I'll go after Myke.
0:25:54So you've seen one.
0:25:55- I will continue to use Dropbox as my file system.
0:25:59And once I get better internet,
0:26:01I imagine putting more larger files in Dropbox
0:26:05than I do at the moment.
0:26:06You know, like more like logic project files
0:26:08and stuff like that, which I'm not doing right now,
0:26:11because my upload speed is too bad.
0:26:13I basically would never be able to record
0:26:15because you'd never hear me.
0:26:16But yeah, I think that this is a fantastic move.
0:26:21I'm really pleased that they've sort of
0:26:23standardized the price in a bit more.
0:26:25- So right now I'm still using Dropbox
0:26:27for photo management and storage with Picture Live
0:26:31as a kind of backup and fancier web view.
0:26:36But I've been talking about this with my MacSorries teammates.
0:26:41And basically, I'm torn between my willingness
0:26:46to give Apple a second chance with iCloud Photo
0:26:49Library and iCloud Drive.
0:26:51But also, I'm scared by Apple's previous track record
0:26:56when it comes to the cloud.
0:26:57So right now, I have 20 gigs of photos.
0:26:59What do I do?
0:27:00Do I simply drag and drop them into the Photos app for iOS 8?
0:27:04Am I going to make the app explode?
0:27:07Will it work?
0:27:08Can I buy a storage plan already?
0:27:12So I wanted to try iCloud Photo Library for my iOS 8
0:27:16coverage, which is coming together quite nicely.
0:27:19But I also don't want to trust Apple as a single place for all
0:27:24my photos.
0:27:25So on the other hand, am I going to end up
0:27:27with photos on Dropbox, Picture Life, and Apple?
0:27:31That's a bit much maybe, even for me.
0:27:33So I really don't know what to do.
0:27:35Maybe I'll just switch to a hard drive
0:27:37and let's see, I'm just gonna, you know,
0:27:40- I've heard. - cut my connection
0:27:41from the cloud and be, you know.
0:27:44- I've heard that you can make an iPod
0:27:46act like a hard drive, so.
0:27:47- See, see, that's an idea.
0:27:49I could resurrect my--
0:27:50- So many people were upset at me
0:27:52because I thought that was funny, like all ridiculous.
0:27:56They were like, "No, these are the reasons,"
0:27:57or "I love that," and I'm like, "No, it's cool, man,
0:27:59"I get it," but it wasn't for me.
0:28:03So some more iOS 8 kind of centric news today, smile kind of introduced the text expander
0:28:12keyboard for iOS 8.
0:28:13So it works kind of how you think it would work in their video.
0:28:19You know it knows all your snippets so you type a snippet and it fires the expansion
0:28:23and because it's a keyboard it can work in every application.
0:28:28many people probably know. Currently TextExpander, like a third-party
0:28:33developer has to integrate the TextExpander SDK and there's X callback URL
0:28:38to sync and it's sort of siloed off but with the keyboard you could use a
0:28:43TextExpander snippet in Mail or in Safari or in Evernote or any app sort of
0:28:49without that SDK. Which is really interesting. You know one thing in
0:28:55Federico I wanted to ask you about this out of the three of us you spent the
0:28:59most time with iOS 8 and I don't even know if there are keyboards in the beta
0:29:03yet but I don't want to have to switch between keyboards like all the time you
0:29:11know like on my phone especially I'm really interested in like a swiping
0:29:15keyboard I really like that on Android phones that I've used and I will have
0:29:19the tech expander one because I do use it heavily but do you think it's going
0:29:23to be a pain in the rear to switch between keyboards several times, maybe even to do
0:29:27just one task?
0:29:28Yes, and you're going to have a problem because there are going to be lots of keyboards. So
0:29:33basically what I'm seeing right now, and I've been testing like four or five keyboards for
0:29:37iOS 8, and I'm supposed to get more in the next week, this is not a humblebrag, it's
0:29:42just work.
0:29:43No, no, it's like the...
0:29:44I've been testing it for some time.
0:29:46No, no, you know, it's just, I gotta do this for a living. So basically what I'm seeing
0:29:51is that on a smaller scale, we're
0:29:55going to get the same App Store scenario of 2008.
0:29:59There's going to be lots of new players in the keyboard field,
0:30:02and you're going to want to check out all the keyboards.
0:30:05Because you're a nerd, and you're a geek,
0:30:09and you want to try all the new stuff.
0:30:11And there's going to be lots of keyboards.
0:30:13There's going to be the keyboards with the swipe.
0:30:15There's going to be the keyboards that correct
0:30:19your grammar and your spelling in the text.
0:30:21is going to be Texas Panda.
0:30:22Oh, man, I'm getting those.
0:30:24See?
0:30:25And of course you're going to want to try all the keyboards.
0:30:28But my problem is--
0:30:29my problem that I'm already seeing
0:30:30is that first you've got to activate
0:30:33the keyboards in the settings.
0:30:35And that's not a huge problem.
0:30:36I mean, it's kind of nice the way
0:30:37that you can go to the settings, and you can activate
0:30:40and deactivate the keyboards, and you can grant permissions
0:30:43to a keyboard to sync and to transmit your information
0:30:49to the cloud.
0:30:50For instance, I was trying the other day a keyboard that syncs preferences using CloudKit,
0:30:56and I got the permission dialog.
0:30:59So, I didn't really know what it meant, and I asked the developer, and it's basically,
0:31:06even if you use iCloud, not some nasty third-party service, you're gonna get the permission dialog
0:31:11anyway.
0:31:13So you can manage keyboards in the settings, and then the problem is that, because you're
0:31:18curious and you want to try all these fancy keyboards, you don't have a place like the
0:31:22home screen where you can download apps. It's easy to try multiple apps because you can
0:31:30just switch the home screen and open another one. The user interaction to switch keyboards
0:31:35is really painful because you've got to hold down on the globe icon on the keyboard and
0:31:42you get this long list of names.
0:31:47And every time--
0:31:49- I feel like iOS 8 is gonna be full of long lists of things.
0:31:52- Yes, and you get a toggle in the list at the top of,
0:31:56like you get a toggle on a popover on a keyboard.
0:32:00So it's kind of messy.
0:32:02So you switch all these keyboards
0:32:04and you gotta consider the fact
0:32:05that because Apple has built this secure system
0:32:10for keyboards, every time you hit a password field,
0:32:14the custom keyboard that you had selected before deactivates,
0:32:19because it cannot type into a secure field.
0:32:21So at least what I'm seeing right now in beta 5--
0:32:24so I hope that things will change--
0:32:26is awful performance of switching between keyboards,
0:32:29because even when you change to a keyboard that has a slightly
0:32:33custom design, the system is super slow.
0:32:36So hopefully it will be better in the GM seed.
0:32:41And also it can be confusing because unlike the home screen
0:32:45and apps, you just switch the home screen, try another app,
0:32:48so you can play around with all the downloads
0:32:50from the App Store.
0:32:51The keyboard user experience is kind of messy
0:32:54and the keyboards are slow and sometimes they deactivate
0:32:59and you gotta keep track of how many keyboards you have.
0:33:02I don't know.
0:33:03It's going to be--
0:33:04- Yeah, there's a little bit of that
0:33:06with extensions already in the few that I'm playing with on iOS 8 where Apple's like sort
0:33:12of slamming them into that stupid horizontal scrolling share sheet and like you can set
0:33:17the order even though that doesn't seem to work for me.
0:33:20But like if you've got 10 or 12 extensions in Safari like it's just kind of a lame interaction
0:33:27to like click the little button that those are gonna share it or export it to actually
0:33:31see an extension like extensions don't have their own menu and I think there's some growing
0:33:35pains where they've opened up all this flexibility but the UI hasn't caught up yet so I would
0:33:39hope that this keyboard problem is a temporary pain and they can fix it in later builds of
0:33:448 or you know iOS 9 which...
0:33:49Yeah I mean there are some...
0:33:50My names are getting silly.
0:33:51Yeah there are some growing pains here I agree but I gotta say that the functionality that
0:33:56extensions and keyboards enable is mind-blowing especially like the first time you tried the
0:34:03the one password extension or I have other action extensions that I've been testing.
0:34:11I'm sorry to bring up this sentence again, but it's just what I've been doing.
0:34:15I know that you guys said it, but like I said, it's just work.
0:34:19And yeah, I seriously cannot wait to write about this stuff.
0:34:24And it's going to take me a lot of long nights and espressos at 2 a.m., which again, kind
0:34:31contradicts what I was saying before to reduce my cough intake. I just realised that I gotta prepare
0:34:37like 30 posts for my stories. So I don't know, hopefully I will survive September and then I'm
0:34:43gonna buy an iWatch. The iWatch will keep me healthy I guess. So I usually by this point
0:34:50have installed the beta but I'm kind of not that tempted because I feel like all of the
0:35:00really good stuff is in third party apps.
0:35:03So until I have those,
0:35:06there's not really much interesting stuff there, I think.
0:35:10- Well, there's the new Safari, which is-
0:35:12- But I don't use, I suppose I'm gonna have to, right?
0:35:15I'm gonna have to start using Safari
0:35:16because of the extensions, unless Chrome is ready on day one
0:35:19which it probably won't be. - No, any, yeah, of course.
0:35:21I mean, any app, even if, basically right now,
0:35:24even if an iOS app, an iOS 7 app isn't built against iOS 8,
0:35:29but if it uses the native share sheet mechanism,
0:35:32you can see extensions already in iOS 7 apps
0:35:36running on iOS 8.
0:35:38- Yeah, I don't think Chrome uses the native share sheet.
0:35:40- Yeah, of course.
0:35:41- Yeah.
0:35:42- Of course it doesn't.
0:35:42- And you still can't set, even 8,
0:35:44you still can't set Chrome as your default browser.
0:35:46So if an extension were to fire the browser,
0:35:49you'd still be in Safari anyways.
0:35:51- Guys, we're gonna have like three or four episodes
0:35:56about extensions.
0:35:57- Yeah, it's gonna be good.
0:35:58I'm really excited I was talking to a co-worker today and who uses one password and you know
0:36:04kind of sharing with her you know they're doing this extension thing and it will basically
0:36:08work more or less like it is on the desktop and this is all details that they've shared
0:36:11publicly and you know like she was genuinely excited about it because you know right now
0:36:17even on on seven iOS apps are silos and the ability to pull data from one into another
0:36:24or pull parts of it like it's really going to make everything the at least you
0:36:30know a lot of things a lot faster on iOS. I think it's a big complaint you know we
0:36:34talked a lot about this on the old show of working on the iPad and how a very
0:36:38common issue people aren't into is that it's slow to do things that are faster
0:36:42on the Mac and with extensions and with things like text expander keyboards it's
0:36:48going to speed up there's still going to be some annoyances I think until Apple
0:36:52sort of figures out how to grow with this stuff.
0:36:55But overall, I'm genuinely excited about what
0:36:59some of these third-party developers are already doing.
0:37:01- Yeah, it's an exciting time.
0:37:04- So, take a break.
0:37:09- Do it. - Yeah, Myke.
0:37:09Tell us about other exciting stuff.
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0:39:43So we wanted to talk this week about fitness and diet apps.
0:39:47There's been a lot of conversation about fitness tracking hardware and of course I watch rumors
0:39:53and a lot of that's there but there's a lot of great software out now that can help you
0:40:00know count calories or track your activity.
0:40:03So we kind of want to share what we're using and Federico is sort of insane experiment
0:40:10that you've been tweeting about.
0:40:13And so I guess I can just kind of I'll blast through what's going the order of the notes.
0:40:16I'll blast through the apps I'm using because Federico what you're doing is much more interesting
0:40:20than what I'm doing.
0:40:23So I use kind of three apps.
0:40:26So you know I'm in relatively good shape but you know want to lose a few pounds want to
0:40:31run more is kinda my two goals this fall.
0:40:35So I'm using an app called LoseIt which
0:40:39is a it's not unlike MyFitnessPal and we're gonna talk about why I don't like that
0:40:43app in a second.
0:40:45So I can go in, I can enter meals, I can scan a barcode so I have a drink here
0:40:49that I'll put in as a snack.
0:40:51You just scan the barcode and the app finds it automatically.
0:40:54It can connect to devices like Fitbit
0:40:59fit like fit bit fit bit um i liked fit hit yeah sorry it's it's a hard word to say when
0:41:06you can only speak so many syllables a minute fit bit it can connect to it can podcasting
0:41:17everyone podcast talking into my computer box on the internet so it's
0:41:31sort of a hub now the problem with counting calories in any system is it's
0:41:39twofold you have the problem of self-reporting and you have the problem
0:41:42of a small kind of local restaurant so the second one is obviously you know
0:41:46an issue where if I go to a local chain or a one-off place and you know, I work sort of the core of our
0:41:52downtown area and there's a lot of little sandwich places and there's a pizza place and you know, they're not it's not name-brand like
0:41:59You know, it's not gonna go to Taco Bell and those calories are listed publicly. It's these are private establishments
0:42:07So you kind of have to guess and get the closest you can so it's not an exact science, but it's definitely
0:42:14Pounded when you have the problem of self-reporting, and so I don't know maybe Federica
0:42:18You can speak to this if you're doing it, but I have a big problem of
0:42:22Estimating volume so like if I eat a bowl of cereal like I have no idea how much cereal
0:42:28I just ate because I don't measure it if I did
0:42:30Obviously it wouldn't be a problem, but that's sort of crazy person territory. Oh, yeah, so you got a
0:42:36Yeah, so I generally kind of you know I look at what the
0:42:41Box says is the you know what's supposed to be the estimated amount and usually round up a little bit
0:42:45And so it's it's not exact science at least the way that I'm doing it and that can be a problem if you're
0:42:52You know if I'm strictly sticking to a certain number of calories
0:42:55But that's not lose its fault. That's true of any app or any system that does count calories
0:43:02But it has a lot of positives it can plug into all these services
0:43:05It has a really nice website in fact most of the time
0:43:07I do the data entry like at my computer because it's a lot faster than the iOS app and
0:43:12Overall I like it
0:43:15Kind of on the fitness side using two apps one is Strava which is actually an app pick of mine on the prompt Strava is
0:43:24bike
0:43:27cycling tracking via GPS so you turn it on you stick your phone in your pocket or your bag and
0:43:32it knows speed and mileage and
0:43:37Elevation and if you have a pro account and it can talk to accessories so we can do things like heart rate
0:43:43Strava also tracks running again. There's other apps like this the big ones are map my ride like map my run
0:43:50Which a lot of people use I like Strava because that's what our local community of cyclists use but nice app
0:43:57You can even use it with like an external GPS device if you have a good Garmin on your bike it can sync up on
0:44:03the web and
0:44:05then
0:44:06Finally and Federico I want to talk to you about this. I really hate running like
0:44:10Running is so lame, but I'm trying to do it and the app that I've been using is couch to 5k
0:44:16There's a bunch of apps like this. I like the features of this one even though the design is a little lame
0:44:21It is pushing notifications to your lock screen what tells you you know couch to 5k basically as you run and walk
0:44:28Sort of in alternating patterns and the longer you do it the more you run the further you go and it works you up very
0:44:35very slowly to doing a 5k.
0:44:38So it has this push notification.
0:44:40So if your phone is in an armband and you can't see the screen,
0:44:43it says, OK, now it's time to run.
0:44:45Now it's time to jog.
0:44:46Now it's time to cool down.
0:44:47And keeps up with that in a really nice little package.
0:44:50I can see right where I am within the program.
0:44:53Together, this is all software.
0:44:55It's all just apps on my phone.
0:44:57But I can get a picture of my activity level, my calorie level,
0:45:02and kind of see how those things play against each other.
0:45:06And not using a fitness band, not using any hardware.
0:45:10I own a Fitbit and I actually own a Nike Fuelband as well.
0:45:15And I'm not wearing either one of them.
0:45:17I've kind of just gotten out of the habit
0:45:19and neither are really attractive.
0:45:21The Nike Fuelband is actually uncomfortable to wear
0:45:23after a while for me at least.
0:45:25And so I'm just doing it with just software.
0:45:28And so far, in doing this for a couple of months,
0:45:33has been pretty good.
0:45:35- So let me jump in Federico,
0:45:39'cause you're doing this in a big way.
0:45:42And as is usual on this show,
0:45:46there seems to be varying levels of everything.
0:45:49My varying level is I'm not doing anything right now.
0:45:55I'm too I'm gonna say this is probably this is a dumb excuse but I feel like
0:46:00I've have too much to do right now to focus on exercise in any way I'm gonna
0:46:08be busy for my shorter lifespan no that's I mean that's burning aside like
0:46:14that's totally like this week has been insane for me and I haven't run I
0:46:18haven't ridden my bike since Saturday I haven't eaten well like life just gets
0:46:23in the way. Like I have a plan that as soon as I can get my days back from the
0:46:28corporate world I will embark on an exercise experiment like Federico but
0:46:36I've been talking a lot recently about one of my favorite podcasts on the
0:46:40internet called Hello Internet with CGP Grey and Brady Haran and on an episode
0:46:46of that show CGP Grey was talking about this exact kind of thing where he
0:46:52needed to work really hard to get his videos,
0:46:56he's a YouTuber, to get his videos to a point
0:46:59where he was able to go full time with it
0:47:03and that sort of stuff.
0:47:04And he had a discussion with his wife
0:47:07about how he would put his health
0:47:10on a back burner for a bit
0:47:11to allow him the time to put into his work.
0:47:16I have not, one, made this conscious decision
0:47:18or two, had accomplished my girlfriend in this idea.
0:47:22I'm sure she would not feel the same.
0:47:25But I just feel like I don't have the time
0:47:27to do these things right now.
0:47:28In the past, I have used to success my fitness pal.
0:47:32And Federico, you can tell us probably a little bit more
0:47:34about that in a moment.
0:47:36And I've found it very good.
0:47:38Steven, I've had the same problems that you've had
0:47:41in how much do I put in, which I think upsets Federico
0:47:44'cause he's probably gonna say he weighs everything.
0:47:47I didn't do that.
0:47:50Like you would always,
0:47:51I feel like I was overestimating,
0:47:53but like this looks like a regular portion of potatoes.
0:47:56I'll say I'm having 1.4.
0:47:58You know, that, this.
0:47:59'Cause then you just, you know.
0:48:00And I lost about a few pounds.
0:48:01- Spooking like a true American, Myke.
0:48:03- That's how I do.
0:48:05I felt like I lost a few pounds using the app,
0:48:08and it's one that I intend to use again.
0:48:11But yeah, as I say, right now I'm not doing anything.
0:48:16I've never enjoyed exercise,
0:48:17and I've always been more to like control my diet.
0:48:21So now I'm kind of just trying to keep my eye
0:48:23on what I'm eating without using an app to help me.
0:48:26Federico Vittucci, can you please inspire me
0:48:29to change my life?
0:48:30- Well, I mean, I can tell you what I'm doing now,
0:48:34but it's just, you know, my backstory,
0:48:36that's not really something that I want to inspire you with.
0:48:40Because basically- - Oh yeah, I mean, yeah.
0:48:42I get that there.
0:48:43Yeah, basically I've always been kind of relatively in shape,
0:48:50but also I never really enjoyed exercising or being
0:48:56careful with the food that I eat.
0:48:58And especially in Italy, it's very easy
0:49:02to eat too many carbs with the pasta and the pizza
0:49:08and the sauce.
0:49:09It's easy to get carried away with the kind of menu
0:49:12that typically you get here.
0:49:15And so the tipping point for me was,
0:49:19after cancer and after chemo,
0:49:22and the kind of consequences that you experience later,
0:49:27months after, I've been clear since February of 2013,
0:49:32and months after the chemo and the radiation ended,
0:49:38I was left with all sorts of basically kind of inactivity,
0:49:43general inactivity of my body
0:49:47because I couldn't move before.
0:49:49And because I couldn't exercise either because I was too weak
0:49:54or because my muscles were not responding to exercise.
0:49:59And especially because I had installed in my chest
0:50:02what is called as a portacath,
0:50:05which is a little button that is connected to a tube
0:50:10that basically enables doctors to put the chemo
0:50:16inside a big, big vein in your body.
0:50:21The little accessory, I would say, in my chest,
0:50:25prevented me from doing any sort of arm
0:50:27and shoulder exercise.
0:50:29So I couldn't do chest exercise, I couldn't do running,
0:50:33I couldn't swim, I couldn't do jumping or anything, because I had the risk of breaking
0:50:39the device, which of course happened last month.
0:50:44So right now I'm free to exercise.
0:50:46But before last month, it was around the end of May, basically, and I was really fed up
0:50:53with the fact that in spite of being theoretically free from the chemo and the other stuff, I
0:51:00I was really feeling the fact that for the past three years I've been taking what is effectively poison, that helps you, but it's poison in many other ways,
0:51:11and I really wanted to get healthier on several levels, whether it was my food choices, my exercising more, my being more careful with the stuff that I eat,
0:51:27how much stuff and when during the day, with the amount of sleep that I get, with the amount
0:51:32of steps and activity that I get each day, because I was sort of caught in this spiral
0:51:37of, I gotta get better, but I'm also busy.
0:51:42So it's important for me to work more, and then I'll think about my body eventually.
0:51:49Which of course is not a great way to recover after a chemo when you want to, in a way,
0:51:54detox.
0:51:55So my idea was that I could try at least this big experiment.
0:52:03I would say I've always been interested in these wearable devices with the fitness component
0:52:09and all these apps for iOS.
0:52:12So I started wearing initially a Fitbit Flex.
0:52:17I think it's a Flex, right?
0:52:18The Force is the one that got recalled.
0:52:21So I started wearing a Flex and it broke two times.
0:52:25So I got a job on App24, which has been great.
0:52:31In my experience, I never had a single battery or connection issue.
0:52:37I started using the job on App24 to track steps and sleep.
0:52:42Then I started using my fitness pal to track my food choices.
0:52:47And basically right now, for the past two months, I've been using several apps and the
0:52:53JobOnApp24, I bought a Wi-Fi scale to weight myself every morning, and I'm seeing the first
0:53:04results.
0:53:06And I want to lose a few pounds, so in the past, since June, I would say I've lost 20
0:53:16pounds, and I wanted to do this not necessarily super quickly, because I want to lose pounds
0:53:22by eating healthier, but also not in a sort of shock diet.
0:53:28I don't want to lose pounds all of a sudden, and at the risk of not feeling well or gaining
0:53:33all the pounds back together as soon as I start eating more again.
0:53:37So I just wanted to switch to a healthier diet, which meant a lot more vegetables and
0:53:41fruit and being careful with the pasta and the pizza, and more protein, because I wasn't
0:53:49eating enough protein. So I started using the job to track my sleep. I'm trying to sleep
0:53:56at least 7 hours each night and that may not seem like a huge surprise to most people but
0:54:04actually because of my stories and because of work stuff I was getting 5 hours of sleep
0:54:10each night on average, which is not great. And since I've been trying to sleep 8 hours,
0:54:15I've been trying to sleep nine hours during this experiment,
0:54:18I realized that too many hours are actually not good for me.
0:54:21So seven hours is the right amount of sleep.
0:54:23And I feel great.
0:54:25And I also realized that I'm always going to be busy.
0:54:30I'm always going to have people pinging me on Twitter
0:54:34and iMessage.
0:54:36And I'm always going to have stuff to do, or to read,
0:54:40or to write about, or to worry about, which is worse.
0:54:44But I'm trying to find at least 30 minutes every day to do a short walk and,
0:54:51you know, some, um, crunches.
0:54:53And I'm trying to drink at least two liters of water, which would be two
0:54:59bottles, two bottles, I guess, uh, for Americans, just don't know the
0:55:02conversion, uh, two liters, at least a water every day.
0:55:06And the job on tracker has been pretty accurate with the steps
0:55:10and with the, with the sleep patterns.
0:55:13My fitness pad I use with a barcode scanner.
0:55:18And unlike you guys, I've gone full obsessive
0:55:22about tracking food.
0:55:26I weight everything that I cook, every single ingredient.
0:55:29I scan the barcode, I search the database.
0:55:32And if I cook some pasta,
0:55:34I put in the ingredients separately in the app.
0:55:38And I've been asking my people around the house
0:55:41keep around barcodes for me if they ever happen to cook stuff and throw away the box.
0:55:46I like people around the house and sort of just moved on past that phrase.
0:55:50Just the people.
0:55:51I'm just curious how many people you live with.
0:55:53Yeah, I don't want to get into details but basically I have told my people to keep the
0:55:58barcodes for me.
0:56:00So your butler.
0:56:01So, to back up a second, I have a couple questions about Jawbone.
0:56:08Let's go through each one of these.
0:56:09Hey, how's the battery life on it?
0:56:11It's been accurate. They promised seven days and it's been seven days for me.
0:56:16That's that's really great. You know something a lot about I watch people talking about you know
0:56:21Another thing to charge every night really stinks
0:56:24But Jawbone was in the news over the I guess over the weekend
0:56:28there was a big earthquake in Napa and
0:56:30Jawbone had this blog post that is in the show notes and they have this really cool graph of
0:56:38Jawbone up users in the bay area and
0:56:42When they woke up basically corresponds exactly with the earthquake and how people in Napa didn't go back to sleep
0:56:51Afterwards or took longer to go back to sleep
0:56:53and I get to like cool and like I like data and some fancy graph and you know the website's pretty but
0:57:00the data is a little a
0:57:04little weird like
0:57:07Obviously Jawbone has to know this data because it syncs with their app and with their service
0:57:12But I would not have expected that that data would be
0:57:16Geo located or maybe they're tying that data to a user account and the user account has a zip code or something
0:57:22But I just when I saw that graph I was like, huh?
0:57:25I wouldn't think that's something Jawbone would know about its users. How did you guys feel about that that blog post? I
0:57:32I think it's pretty creepy. I mean, you're basically tracking people, their activity
0:57:38during, you know, nights. And so, of course...
0:57:43That could be exciting.
0:57:44I mean, you know what people are doing at night by looking at the movements.
0:57:49It was in the show notes. I'm just reading what's in the show notes.
0:57:51Yeah, I mean, of course, you can assume what people are doing at night by looking at patterns
0:57:57in your database.
0:57:58But if we put in a side the fact that Jobbond
0:58:02has this kind of data-- and I don't care,
0:58:04because it's not like Jobbond is watching me
0:58:06from outside the window--
0:58:09it's pretty fascinating that you can have this kind of insight.
0:58:13I mean, you also got to consider how many thousands of people
0:58:15are using a Jobbond app 24 in that area.
0:58:19I wouldn't say that there are hundreds and hundreds
0:58:22of thousands of Jobbond customers in the Bay Area.
0:58:26But it's still a fascinating piece of data, I guess.
0:58:29I don't really have a lot.
0:58:31I just think.
0:58:32If they have the data, fine.
0:58:36I guess as long as you've accepted it.
0:58:38I mean, you know, I've got to assume that everybody that has the product
0:58:44has opted in or has not opted out of that data.
0:58:47Like you have I can't imagine that they've just gone crazy
0:58:50and are like, here's some data we didn't tell you we had.
0:58:52But I don't know.
0:58:55So back to the food tracking.
0:59:01MyFitnessPalette works well for me because it has a bunch of third party connections
0:59:07in the settings.
0:59:08So I connected the app to the job on App24.
0:59:12So now I get basically what is a food score in my job on App24 application because they
0:59:20recently added this feature that basically tracks your food.
0:59:24that's a pretty basic idea, but also according to, I don't know what organization or what, you know,
0:59:30some doctors, I don't know, some experts, it gives you a score from 0 to 10. So that's been kind of nice,
0:59:39because, like I said, I've been trying to eat more vegetables and fruit and, you know, to try to avoid
0:59:46prepackaged food and, you know, to avoid soda and McDonald's, because, I mean, there's the stereotype
0:59:51that Italians always eat, you know, fancy pasta and fish and, you know, those fancy meals that
0:59:58you find on Google search. But actually we're, you know, just people. We go to McDonald's and we buy
1:00:02pre-packaged food. So, you know, sadly that kind of junk food is available anywhere. So I've been
1:00:09trying to avoid those. And every time I have a, you know, I have a good day in terms of the
1:00:16the ingredients that I use and the food that I eat,
1:00:19it's kind of rewarding to see the little green badge
1:00:25in the job on app for the iPhone.
1:00:28Also, so MyFitnessPal has been great.
1:00:31They're a free app.
1:00:32They are supported by ads on the website.
1:00:35I would like to pay, honestly, because it's such a great
1:00:37service, and the database is huge,
1:00:39and the barcode scanner has been great.
1:00:42But I've also been trying this other food tracking utility
1:00:46called Lifesum.
1:00:50They're a European company from Sweden, I guess.
1:00:55They share a similar story to Spotify.
1:00:58They came out from Europe, and now they're
1:01:00trying to become more popular in the States.
1:01:02And Lifesum has a great UI, much, much better
1:01:05than MyFitnessPal in my opinion, and especially the way
1:01:08that it lets you quickly re-add food from recent meals.
1:01:13So you have recent breakfasts, recent lunches,
1:01:15recent dinners and snacks.
1:01:17And you can just swipe to re-add the food.
1:01:19They have a more beautiful UI with--
1:01:22they have photographs.
1:01:23And they have these little verified badges.
1:01:26So you can instantly know what you're
1:01:28trying to add a generic ingredient like, I don't know,
1:01:32olive oil or an apple.
1:01:34It's verified from Lifesum.
1:01:37- I love that you picked those two things.
1:01:40- Yeah, I don't know why.
1:01:41The database contrary to what I read on the web,
1:01:46it's actually pretty huge.
1:01:47And the barcode scanner is basically just as accurate
1:01:51as my fitness pal for me.
1:01:53And again, I'm talking from an Italian perspective.
1:01:56I don't know if Lifesum is better or worse in the US
1:02:00or any other part of the world, because I just live here.
1:02:03And the big thing of Lifesum for me
1:02:07is that the way that, I guess because it's a European company, the way that it treats
1:02:12quantities when you try to add food to your diary.
1:02:16So MyFitnessPal has this stupid, stupid interface that either lets you choose from units like
1:02:22cups, spoons, whatever that means, and you cannot just say, "Okay, I ate 20 grams of
1:02:31pasta."
1:02:32So that's interesting that you think that's stupid because that's one of the things that
1:02:37I like about MyFitnessPal because if you're cooking...
1:02:40What's a cup?
1:02:41Seriously!
1:02:42So this might be a cultural thing.
1:02:44If we have a recipe book here, that recipe book will quite frequently say "add one spoon
1:02:50of..."
1:02:51"add one cup of..."
1:02:52No, no.
1:02:53Right, so I mean of course there's more magic and passion in Italian cooking.
1:02:57Yeah.
1:02:58- Yeah, I mean--
1:02:59- Add as many tomatoes until you fall in love and stir until--
1:03:04- I guess what I'm saying is that
1:03:06if I'm buying some Barilla pasta,
1:03:09it's not like when I scan the barcode,
1:03:12I get to know from the package
1:03:15how many cups 100 grams correspond to.
1:03:18- Yeah, but for things like that,
1:03:19doesn't it say like half a pack?
1:03:21- Not usually, either lets you,
1:03:24it gives you ounces or just 100 grams,
1:03:27And then you gotta do like one and a half or one and fractions.
1:03:33I just want to enter grams manually, which is exactly what Lifesum lets you do.
1:03:39So from an input software design perspective, I'm happier with Lifesum, but myFitnessPal
1:03:45has more connections with third-party apps.
1:03:48So I've been trying both, I realize this is not what most people would do, but Lifesum
1:03:52has actually been also better in terms of visualization of data.
1:03:57So it has all these nice graphs that break down your meals by category.
1:04:05So it's been actually pretty helpful to understand whether I gotta eat more protein at dinner
1:04:11or if I gotta go easy with the carbs, which is usually the case.
1:04:17All this, all together, in practice, and I'm just talking about the food stuff, I'm gonna
1:04:23I get to the exercise stuff and it'll be quicker in a bit. All the food stuff comes together
1:04:28with the yThing scale, which my girlfriend kindly bought for me for my birthday a few
1:04:36weeks ago. And man, it's such a great piece of hardware. I mean, you just literally step
1:04:42on the scale every morning, you just wait like 30 seconds and you step down and it's
1:04:46done. The scale connects to your yThing account, you're using a Wi-Fi connection, so you can
1:04:53later open the WhyThings HealthMate app for your iPhone. You get this beautiful
1:05:00UI with all these graphs and charts for your weight and heart rate and you
1:05:06know other statistics like room humidity or air quality I guess it's called and
1:05:12that's been super reliable. I can probably try to put together some IFTTT
1:05:18actions and workflows, but I haven't had the time to do that.
1:05:21No, funny fact actually, before I bought a whitening scale, I set up an IFTTT action
1:05:27for Jobbond, so every morning I would input my weight for the day manually into Launch
1:05:35Center Pro, which would send the number value to IFTTT, which would sync back to the Jobbond
1:05:41account.
1:05:42It was pretty messy, but it worked.
1:05:43So now I'm-
1:05:44I think I love you Federico Petici.
1:05:45I love you too.
1:05:46I'm on the whitening scale.
1:05:48So now I'm on the whitening scale and you were scared.
1:05:50It's also got a heart rate feature,
1:05:54which brings me to my last section,
1:05:57which is exercise and activity.
1:05:59So my understanding is that the portacath
1:06:03that I used to have in my chest after the chemo,
1:06:07the fact that it broke was entirely my fault
1:06:09because in June, I went to two concerts.
1:06:14So as you can imagine, there's lots of jumping going on.
1:06:17- I saw the dubstep just like blasted out of you.
1:06:21- No, it's either the concerts or the fact
1:06:25that I was so intrigued with FitStar,
1:06:28which is an iOS app that lets you choose training programs.
1:06:32And it gives you these great videos
1:06:34from professional trainers.
1:06:37I think that like the main guy is a former football player,
1:06:42like Gonzalez something.
1:06:45I don't know, I don't live in America.
1:06:47So he's a great guy, by the way, great videos.
1:06:50And I started doing these exercises every day,
1:06:52like fat burning exercises or get lean
1:06:55or seven minute workouts.
1:06:57And they were great.
1:06:58And I was so motivated because, you know,
1:07:00because there was lots of jumping and stuff
1:07:02that I haven't been doing for years and the app is great.
1:07:05So it was like a double satisfaction for me
1:07:07because I was happy from a software perspective.
1:07:10and I was also happy because I was getting exercise done.
1:07:13So it was like a nerd doing exercise stuff.
1:07:17And I was so just, you know,
1:07:19two things coming together perfectly.
1:07:21And so my, the problem was that the device broke,
1:07:24in my chest broke.
1:07:26So I had this, you know, surgery like a couple of weeks ago.
1:07:31And so I got kind of scared.
1:07:33And then I realized after, you know,
1:07:35a couple of days after the surgery, I just thought,
1:07:38you know, by myself, I don't have the device anymore.
1:07:40So I can start using FitStar again.
1:07:43And so I did.
1:07:44And now I'm using FitStar again.
1:07:46And the nice fact is that it syncs back to my fitness pal.
1:07:50So the exercise that I get done in FitStar
1:07:53goes to my fitness pal.
1:07:54And the food that I track, also in my fitness pal,
1:07:57all together, they go back to the Jobon tracker.
1:08:00So basically right now,
1:08:01my main dashboard is the Jobon bracelet.
1:08:04And maybe you could argue that all these
1:08:08is just teaching going crazy with apps.
1:08:11And maybe it is, right?
1:08:14- But it doesn't matter because the output.
1:08:16- The output, it's on a practical level.
1:08:19I've lost 20 pounds.
1:08:21- Exactly, so yeah, you are kind of going crazy
1:08:24with these things as you do,
1:08:26but this is different to just them working out
1:08:29how to build a custom UI for a file downloader
1:08:32in editorial. - Exactly.
1:08:34this is something that you're actually getting more benefit out than just tinkering in editorial.
1:08:41I like that you're sublty trolling me, but also proving my point.
1:08:46No, I'm honestly not trying to troll you.
1:08:49I know, I love you Myke.
1:08:51So yeah, I mean, I feel much better.
1:08:56I think I've made a conscious decision to pay more attention to the water that I drink,
1:09:06the food that I eat, the amount of sleep that I get.
1:09:09And I mean, you could maybe say that I'm obsessive about this stuff, but I think I gotta be.
1:09:15Because after all the other kind of junk that they put into my body to help with another
1:09:24That leaves you, you know, the consequences and the kind of stress that it leaves on your body.
1:09:30I need work to get better. I need to seriously... I need a system that motivates me.
1:09:38And I think I found the system in software. And I'm gonna write an article about, you know,
1:09:44I'm gonna have photos and a diary and a lot of extra details about this. But the single fact
1:09:49that I can use a device, which is the iPhone, and all these apps to make an important improvement
1:09:59in my lifestyle. I think that's pretty incredible. And of course, you could look at this from
1:10:06a... Of course, maybe he's doing this just to try apps, because I'm a nerd, or maybe
1:10:13I just want to write for Max Stories, but at the end of the day, I'm putting my body
1:10:16through all this, you know, just eating better and doing exercise every day.
1:10:20And, and it's, uh, and it's amazing, you know, that, that I can track all this
1:10:25stuff and, and find connections and just leading a healthier lifestyle.
1:10:30And I feel better.
1:10:32I think I look better.
1:10:33I, I, I have, you know, I have work to do still.
1:10:36And, um, and especially because, you know, like I said, all the drugs that they gave
1:10:42you, the, the leave other effects, which was not nice, but
1:10:46Anyway, so far I've been doing this for two months now.
1:10:52And there's the Apple announcement, supposedly next month, with an iWatch.
1:11:01I'm just looking forward to seeing whether Apple has been experimenting with the mic
1:11:08way for notifications and the Pebble-like device.
1:11:13Or if this is really a device for -- no, I'm not trolling you, Myke. You do have a point
1:11:19about notifications, because there are people like you who like them. So I'm not making
1:11:23fun of you in any way. Or if the device -- I never make fun of you.
1:11:28>> Have we got some sort of trolling treaty going on today?
1:11:30>> No, no.
1:11:31>> No one's allowed to troll anyone.
1:11:33>> I'm just glad no one's trolling me.
1:11:35>> Not yet.
1:11:36>> Any more than normal.
1:11:37So, to conclude, guys, I tried a bunch of apps. I have plenty to talk about, Ciel, and
1:11:47I don't know when or how I will write about this. It's just, you know, I wanted to discuss
1:11:52this with you today. And the conclusion is that it's amazing to me, honestly, and I'm
1:12:00genuinely impressed with the fact that there's a phone, right? A phone with this software
1:12:09that can make you feel and live better. And that's just, you know, for all the Twitter
1:12:16clients and Flappy Bird clones and weird apps on the App Store, the fact that I can download
1:12:24stuff and buy software that lets me eat better and feel and try to overcome the consequences
1:12:31of cancer and chemo, that's pretty incredible. It's mind blowing. I wouldn't say magical,
1:12:37because it's not magical. It's software and it's people making it. But yeah, it's such
1:12:44-- I don't know. It's amazing. I keep coming back to this word because I -- yeah. I'm sorry.
1:12:53I just got carried away.
1:12:56So I want to take a quick break.
1:12:58Congratulations Federico by the way.
1:13:00Thank you.
1:13:01Thank you.
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1:15:39So we wanted to kind of wrap up this week talking about what Apple is getting
1:15:44ready to do in this space.
1:15:46Obviously the hardware is a little bit of a question mark,
1:15:49Thinness, Watch,
1:15:53some sort of thing maybe next month, sort of vague, but Apple has been very
1:15:58forthcoming about what iOS, what, there's the talking thing again, it's hard,
1:16:04what iOS 8 is going to do in this area with their health app and with things
1:16:09like health book and it's kind of kind of multiple things we're going to get
1:16:17into that in a second of what you know health on iOS 8 is not just a single app
1:16:22it's an app with some services and a bunch of different ways to interact with
1:16:29And so
1:16:31WWDC Apple talks about this
1:16:34You know with the iPhone 5s and the iPad air with the m7 the motion code processor people can take advantage of
1:16:40Step counting and things with the hardware now our friend underscore has a great app that does that
1:16:45But there's a lot more coming and
1:16:49Federico you know you've been spending some time with this and talking to some developers about it kind of what what is coming to iOS
1:16:56later this year
1:16:58So, yes
1:17:00What's coming for consumers is a new
1:17:04pre-installed app on the iPhone which is called the health application and for developers, there's this new
1:17:12health kit
1:17:15APIs and set of you know software features to to interact with the with the earth application and
1:17:21Read and write data to the app. So essentially developers of
1:17:27food or fitness related apps, they can take advantage of these new EarthKit APIs to
1:17:34provide their own data to the app as well as read data
1:17:40stored in the application and try to do something with it. So I'm trying to think of a practical examples.
1:17:49For instance, if you develop a sleep tracking app
1:17:55such as the one that I've been using which is called Pillow for the iPhone. If you develop an app to monitor your sleep at night and
1:18:03you know, visualize sleep patterns, you could for instance
1:18:08offer to the health app
1:18:12the amount of hours that the user gets. So when I open my health dashboard
1:18:17I get the hours recorded by the third-party app that I use.
1:18:21But also that same third-party app, it could ask the health application to receive data for the user's step count,
1:18:33or for the user's calorie intake.
1:18:37So it's basically a way for developers to communicate with a single dashboard,
1:18:43with a unified application where they can read and write data,
1:18:49And to do something meaningful with it in a way that doesn't require developers to implement third-party APIs or integrations which can be problematic.
1:19:02So in theory, at least based on the conversations that I had and the apps that I saw,
1:19:11There's going to be an interesting new approach to making fitness and food related apps.
1:19:23Because right now, if you go to the app store and if you read the reviews of a popular fitness
1:19:28app, you're going to see comments about people asking for a third-party integration.
1:19:32For instance, "Oh, this app doesn't support RunKeeper" or "It doesn't support my fitness
1:19:36or I want to have job on integration. In theory, with the Health app and with HealthKit for
1:19:42developers, there's going to be this unified place for developers to feed and read data,
1:19:50which in theory is great. So I've been talking to developers, and most of them say that HealthKit
1:19:58has been a game changer in the way that it lets them not care, basically, about integrating
1:20:05with the third party API, with the third party web service.
1:20:09They don't have to care about handling privacy policies for different services, such as the
1:20:15privacy policy from Jobun or from MyFitnessPal.
1:20:18They just need to integrate with the system API, which has another set of built-in permissions,
1:20:24but that's another topic.
1:20:26So most of them say that it's been a game changer, the ability to export data and to
1:20:33make it useful to other apps will be a great improvement for this category on the App Store.
1:20:40Just as big as extensions are for productivity apps, HealthKit and the Health app and the
1:20:46Dashboard, there are going to be a major change for this category.
1:20:51Some developers that I talked to said that getting the HealthKit stuff up and running
1:20:56was a no-brainer.
1:20:58said that it's a bit of work because you gotta handle conversions between different unit
1:21:05types such as, I don't know, liters and, what is it, ounces for liquid or other types of
1:21:13measurements.
1:21:14So I have no doubt about the fact that it's going to be, you know, it requires developers
1:21:20to do some work, especially because Apple has been adding new features to the API during
1:21:26the iOS 8 beta.
1:21:27So of course it's not completely done and we don't know whether there will be another
1:21:31beta or a GM, it looks like a GM at this point.
1:21:35But it's going to be a major change for the food and fitness category on the App Store.
1:21:40But also not necessarily just for that category.
1:21:42Because now that you have a single place right on the system that tracks all this data from
1:21:48different sources, in theory if you make any sort of app you could take advantage of that
1:21:55information about the user and make it useful and give it some sort of meaning in your app
1:22:01that isn't a fitness tracker.
1:22:04I'm pretty sure that the...
1:22:07What's the name of the podcast client by underscore?
1:22:10Pod Wrangler?
1:22:12It has a feature that makes the playback controls bigger if the app detects that you're moving,
1:22:21right?
1:22:24I think it has a car mode, an automatic car mode.
1:22:28Exactly. That mode comes from the M7, from the motion core processor on the iPhone.
1:22:34So you see, David Smith with the podcast app doesn't have a fitness client of sorts.
1:22:40It's an audio app. But it takes advantage of contextual information and movement in a different
1:22:47way. So you can imagine how having health kit on the device, on the system, could enable some
1:22:53interesting new ideas. So I'm very excited to see what developers come up with. And of course,
1:22:59I guess the first and most obvious change will be for apps like Java or myFitnessPal, hopefully.
1:23:04So we'll see. Yeah, I can see, you know, just talking to you about your setup and what I'm
1:23:13doing. It's sort of like you have to string these things together in the right order. So for me,
1:23:20Strava and lose it don't talk directly to each other. So I kind of like Strava tells me
1:23:24You know how far I rode in the time and I can go in manually entering that and lose it and that's
1:23:29Something that I would hope that this health kit plumbing can help ease
1:23:34But it's only going to be as good as third party developers make it
1:23:38You know, they've people have to get in there and decide
1:23:41This is what we're gonna do. So say for example, and I don't know if they have said anything so I'm not I'm not
1:23:48Commenting on news but say that job and we're like, you know what we're gonna do our own thing
1:23:52we're not gonna share this data with the health app and like that sort of puts a
1:23:57kink in my plan to just use you know, the first-party app to to be my dashboard for all this so I hope that
1:24:04Everybody plays and gets along and I think it's best for everybody if they do that
1:24:09but kind of the back of my mind is that voice of like
1:24:12There's gonna be somebody popular to hold out, you know, and they're not gonna want to do it
1:24:17but because they're you know it's not like new stand or or even passbook where you can
1:24:27get away with not using those like wire can still have just a regular app now they're
1:24:32in new stand because they made that decision but you can exist outside of that and it's
1:24:38the same thing here it's it's a very similar situation where a lot of third-party developers
1:24:43are running around doing a bunch of crazy stuff and now Apple is saying "Hey, we sort
1:24:48of have a hub for all this, it would be great if you tied into it, but you don't have to."
1:24:52And I hope that it is a utopia of fitness and tracking and measuring, but I worry there
1:24:59is going to be pain points along the way.
1:25:01No, that's actually a great point, especially because fitness apps are not like feed readers,
1:25:08right?
1:25:09Or Twitter clients.
1:25:10I mean, you can imagine that if your favorite email application or feed reader, RSS reader,
1:25:17doesn't support extensions or another productivity-related feature, you could easily jump to another
1:25:24app and switch and start using the app that takes advantage of the latest features.
1:25:29But with a fitness app like MyFitnessPal or the Jobun app, you have this sort of locking
1:25:34of your personal data that you don't want to lose.
1:25:37Typically, the exporting options are not great in these apps. So you're kind of forced to stay within their ecosystem.
1:25:44So if they don't want to support the new API,
1:25:49I think it will be harder for most people to just, you know,
1:25:53say I'm gonna switch to another app because all your data and months and months of tracking food and barcodes like me,
1:25:59they're going to be stuck into the app. And even if you can export as a CSV, that's not gonna be great.
1:26:05and honestly who wants to use CSV. So yeah it'll be interesting to see what happens.
1:26:14Totally and you know it's all this could be out the door in a couple weeks if Apple does
1:26:22hardware that's what's you know interesting about this there's a lot of good software
1:26:27there's a lot of mediocre hardware you know sitting here I was thinking maybe I should
1:26:31by job owned up and I'm gonna wait and see if Apple is doing something but it's
1:26:36um it's a it's interesting time and and because the phone is always with you or
1:26:41at least with you most of the time can give you a really good picture you know
1:26:45that's why I really like things like underscores pedometer plus plus I don't
1:26:50have an iPhone 5s so I can't take advantage of it but like of course your
1:26:54iPhone knows how far you walk because your phone is always in your pocket and
1:26:58As these devices get smarter and more powerful that sort of data is only be
1:27:03going to become better and better and more clear to give us a picture of the
1:27:07you know the quantified self of you know I can put a number on how I did today
1:27:10and and if you can do that and build a history and build patterns then you can
1:27:14work to be in better shape or to be able to run a 5k without dying or whatever
1:27:20those goals are they knowledge you can get us there and that's sort of the
1:27:24point of the technology in the first place so I think it's really exciting.
1:27:31So I think we've come to about the end of this week's episode of Connected. Thank you
1:27:35very much for listening. Steven, where can people find the show notes?
1:27:40Relay.fm/Connected/2. Fantastic. We have a couple of Twitter accounts
1:27:46for you we are _ConnectedFM and _RelayFM for the show and the podcast network.
1:27:54I am iMyke, i-m-y-k-e. Federico is @Vittici, v-i-t-i-c-c-i and Stephen is @ismh. Federico
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1:28:33would like to come along. So gentlemen do you have anything to add before I sign off for this week?
1:28:40I really want an iWatch.
1:28:42Okay, well I'll work on that for you.
1:28:44Steven?
1:28:46I really want to argue with Federico about the iWatch in the future.
1:28:51Excellent stuff, I have no doubt that we'll do that.
1:28:54Thank you all for listening to episode 2 of Connected.
1:28:56We'll be back next week.
1:28:58Until then, bye bye.
1:29:00Arrivederci.
1:29:02Adios.