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00:00:03 ◼ ► long it's gonna last help you put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► on the pre-show marcos classic honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► I don't think there's much to say always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/9">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► says that I never say it's gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/12">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► short show that's always you provided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/14">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► that you say it a different way that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/16">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► the ways and i can tell i have a cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/18">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► my-my streak is over i was gonna go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/22">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► whole winter without getting sick almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/24">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► can we just drive you over a creek how's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/28">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► your picture called I recognize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► wasn't the best use that metaphor but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/33">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► just cannot get tired of that metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/34">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► it's so good yeah it's kind of mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/36">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► like is this gets back to what i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/39">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► saying on the pasture we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► about the new open a plan coming on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/42">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► podcasts or whatever it's so easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► make fun of that but that type of story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► is an example of people opening up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► it's the type of thing that in a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/52">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► controlled PR environment would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► come out and it's slightly unfortunate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/56">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► that the story that they put out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/60">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► because even on the merits it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/63">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► speaking that's not an effective way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/70">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► an organization to address problems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► have the head of the you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/74">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► head honchos of these huge swathes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► the biggest company in the world be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► addressing problems on an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/79">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► level with their own particular max like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► that's not you need better tools to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► manage this problem so it just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/84">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► emotionally with anecdote but doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/87">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► make sense but that's the type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/89">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► yourself in your personal life and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/95">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► sure it really is true and so I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► we know that that's what's going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/98">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► judgments about the effectiveness is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► strategy of driving things to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/105">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► victories and I don't know it is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/108">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► trying to say how passionate they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/109">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► that even these big important people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► are not above getting down to a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/112">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► that they encounter that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/117">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► going to leave it to the lower people so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/118">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► they'll take care of that they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► want to fix every little problem they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/121">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► it's everything that the new open Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/127">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► so I only have a few questions about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► first of all in what part of a Ferrari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► doesn't imac fit they have a lot of cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► you have is the rule of thumb if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/138">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► have a Ferrari it does not your only car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► that's fair okay a second question can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/142">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► basically being like the tech support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/147">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► team for the entire company i wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► that's like a Power Move like the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► it's like that if you have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/154">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► wrong with Apple music do you like drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► your computer over to the anyhow that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► I feel like it's unfair because all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► any stuff is all cloud services like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/161">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► you can't really drive a broken itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/163">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► store requests over to Eddie's house but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► you just bring you just bring your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/168">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► computer and say why is all my automated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► message fix this and you and you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► back on monday is it done to fix my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► album that data is even funnier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► imagine like you know your correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► you're like sitting down to dinner with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► your family and you know you hero here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► this like laude Nov 12 pull up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► driveway like oh god again didn't I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► you can hold on everyone does he have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► the 599 I don't know I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► don't know Ferraris want to even I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► just guessing there's probably a v12 one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► well there's the eff is a p12 Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► remember I thought so but I too am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/206">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► front-engine b12 sitting on one's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► ugly and four-wheel-drive that's the FF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► yeah is that even Ferrari it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► if it's ugly and four-wheel-drive it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► still is John would suffer through I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► wouldn't have i got that i would sell a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/225">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► man anyway we should probably do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► follow-up shouldn't we tell me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► talking about it was that vector thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► remember that app that was gonna yes let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/239">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► you draw vectors in a different way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► I said on the website that basically had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/244">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► a big sign up button instead of a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► download buttons like I was nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/247">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► download it you know it like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► sign up and i guess i'll tell you more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► when it's ready like that as if nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/252">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► wasn't out yet and David Klein treated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► to say that he's a I believe figma is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► one hundred percent in the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/257">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► nothing to download so when it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► arrive apparently is going to be a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/260">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► app but i still think you can get drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► but anyway if i can try for free online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► i definitely will because I'm interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► don't know that was quick and easy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► wanted to tell us about everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/272">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► favorite font comic sans yes it's friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/273">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► adjacent micro celebrity John McCoy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► a friend of mine pointed out that in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► our discussion of comic sans or our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► Microsoft Bob rather we didn't mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/288">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► that comic sans the much-hated font was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/289">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► wikipedia entry on comics and you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► that it was created to try to fit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► with the Microsoft Bob world which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/300">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► explains why it's so awful but it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► it didn't make it in time so they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/304">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► ship with it so i get another thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► can blame on Microsoft Bob have you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/307">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► used Microsoft Bob John i don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► magazines when it came out but I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/313">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► don't I didn't have a pc obviously and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/316">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► none of my friends who had a pc had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/319">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► all right John stop listening for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► second Casey we have 24 april fools day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► somehow find a way to put Microsoft Bob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/324">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► I don't remember using it i bet you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► did at some point but i don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► having done so i installed windows a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► Down of the am on my mac and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/336">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► well to be fair windows 8 felt really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► weird to Windows users all signed up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► try like doing an edge swipe with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/344">TS</a>]
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00:05:51 ◼ ► everything in Windows 8 is well just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/351">TS</a>]
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00:05:56 ◼ ► congratulations again for getting out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► that thank you i'm so happy i really am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/358">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► we not thats it was it just too small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/365">TS</a>]
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00:06:25 ◼ ► make websites I don't make things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► using Squarespace but i usually don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► anymore because it's just not worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/389">TS</a>]
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00:06:38 ◼ ► there's so much they give you a square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/398">TS</a>]
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00:07:06 ◼ ► have to ask you they can ask where space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/426">TS</a>]
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00:07:16 ◼ ► on with your life and not be involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/436">TS</a>]
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00:08:34 ◼ ► think it's important we talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► microsoft has bought xamarin sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/516">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► appreciated your your your intro there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► didn't think much about salmon but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► you had asked me hey I did some company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/529">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► owns a marine now I would have maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/532">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► guest microsoft I know like like netware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► on them at some point something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► that yeah but I'd basically honest I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► lost track of who own them and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► Microsoft that if you had told me oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► yeah no microphone xamarin I was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► yeah that sounds right so the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► Michael bought them make sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► I think yes let me let me catch everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► up so xamarin was originally called mono [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/554">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► and it was an open-source reinforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/559">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► ation of dotnet that was designed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/562">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► initially this really meant linux but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► over time it became more about allowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► you to write dotnet code usually c-sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► code that ran on Android and iOS and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► looked at it way back when it was mano 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► i'm sorry it was it was a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► right when they first started supporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/582">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► the iphone forget what version that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► and as we talked about a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/585">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► it felt like exactly how I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/589">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► between the world of C sharp and and iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► it that's a compliment it felt really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► really good now it's still a total hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► but it it felt it felt like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► really well-designed and really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/605">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► well done and so Microsoft has since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► bought samer in which again used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► called mono so now it's being folded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► into microsoft and this is kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/613">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► extension of what they did a years so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► maybe two years ago when they open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► sourced a lot of the.net framework so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► some parts see that salmon and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► people like them could use Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/624">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► code in order to get the bits of dotnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► they needed and then xamarin could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► back to doing the things they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/631">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► that which was just building that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/632">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► cross-platform layer so Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► buying xamarin we'll see what that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► I'm this reminds me of our conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► in the past about project island would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► which was / is I haven't really kept up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/642">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► with it a cross-platform setup that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► microsoft had to bring iOS apps onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/649">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► I think that's mostly died is that true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► was it ever alive I mean like I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/656">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► that they they have released that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► some form and I know people look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/660">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► code and it was horrendous and full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► tons of like temporary hacks and like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► do implementations and everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► implementation of UI kit and on time was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► the idea and remember Kate didn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► out like right after Swift was announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/673">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► and there and is not compatible Swift at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► all and so there was a tissue and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/678">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► basically it tries to be a layer so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► you can write use it basically can port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/683">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► your iOS app right over to windows phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► or windows in general I don't know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► version of windows but I right over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► windows something or other and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/693">TS</a>]
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00:11:36 ◼ ► basic I was frameworks and I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► have not heard of anybody using it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► any reason I mean the reason why iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/701">TS</a>]
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00:11:46 ◼ ► apps for Windows is not because we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► cross compile them it's because we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► care because I'm going to the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/711">TS</a>]
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00:11:55 ◼ ► like if you're if we wanted to make apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► for those platforms we would just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► them correctly you know it using their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► native tools in their native apps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► compatibility layer that is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► half-baked and kind of half works and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► probably only have supported by anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► that's not really gonna change anyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► mind meaningfully you know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/735">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► might help out a couple of consultants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► on really tight time constraints but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/739">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► even then like our clients have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► asking for Windows apps like it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► that just seems like there is so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► demand and will for people to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► this is not going to meaningful change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► that now this was the nineties the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/753">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► star was like don't bother trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/756">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► make a linux compatible implementation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► the the common language runtime or.net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► because you're just playing at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► microsoft trap and even though microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► says all these things about oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/767">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► cross-platform runtime virtual machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/768">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► really what they're just trying to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► computer you're always kind of looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► them you know with a little bit where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/778">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Lee saying i don't really want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► any linux apps using the Microsoft no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► totally open it'll be just like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► know about that and if we were still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► the nineties and Microsoft was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► like company that everyone was scared of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► and everyone suspected they were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/794">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► to you know embrace extend extinguish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► all this other stuff whatever will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► saying was see we were really smart not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► to try to build anything and linux based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► on the the common language runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/803">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► dotnet because if we did now Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► bought them and guess what all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/806">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► cross-platform stuff that that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► doing before well that's all over now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/810">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► and everything that is examined is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► to become windows-only another gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► cross-platform anymore because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► it was just like it was a trap basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► get people to distract Linux which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► big threat to microsoft and their mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► back in the nineties and two to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► microsoft technologies and then take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/826">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► those technologies away and make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/827">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► provider that point but of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► modern microsoft by examine exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► opposite reasons because their company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► that has shown that they're good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/837">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► doing things cross platform and the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► microsoft wants to sell whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► they have to sell to as many people as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► possible and then moving away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► only way to get this is to get it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► windows you know as your web services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► are an example according iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► and stuff to you can use these web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► services with your iOS app will they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► they'll sell anything to anyone because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/859">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► they think they have valuable things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/861">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► they're no longer in a position where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► technology and only way you can get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► is to be microsoft and windows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/868">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► proprietary top to bottom because nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► does that anymore it's not it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/871">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► it's not even an option so I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► purchase of samurai would have blown the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► minds of like linux advocates in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► nineties idea that they're buying them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/879">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► because they're so good across platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► stuff that surely what they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► do with those people and that technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/884">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► is more clock cross-platform things not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/885">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► like oh now finally we can stop people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► from using our technology to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/890">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► except for make apps for our platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/893">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► so here's a question I don't you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/894">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► haven't looked too much into this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/898">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► forgive me but you know back in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► the in the nineties when someone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► know sun microsystems made this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► really expensive custom proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► hardware and software to run the custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► son boxes and then son invented Java and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► Java who is seen by many as kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► big strategic blunder by sun because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/917">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► completely irrelevant marginalize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/923">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► and make the same software on everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/925">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► and so many people think that was son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/926">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► kind of eroding their own companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► strong points and their own revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/932">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► sources trying to apply that today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► mean do you like what is microsoft get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► big picture wise long-term wise what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► they get out of making linux servers a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► first-class platform for.net development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► because right now Microsoft makes a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/949">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► portion of the revenue with Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► components and licensing from that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► you know how does that obviously like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/958">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► with with with such a new Della's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► leadership focus more on services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/963">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► enterprise stuff it seems like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► might be the opposite of what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► wanted to do right like it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► this is long-term removing them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► from being required to use their tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/973">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► so now you know like the server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/976">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► so one of the biggest reasons why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/979">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► because they're particularly amazing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► because they had to to run their dotnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► server stuff because that stuff is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► they were comfortable developing in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► what they use already or what was best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/992">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► for them for whatever reason so windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► had a lot of my client had a lot of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► server-side software sales from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► who are kind of forced to use windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► server who might have chosen linux if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► they could have and with these and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► they're you know this the mono project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► and then the summer and things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► this is not new but it is it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► kind of been like a second class citizen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► it was always kinda like well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► wouldn't choose that because you'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► you'd be scared of compatibility or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► to have linux be or become soon a first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► class citizen to run their their server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► side stuff which means nobody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► nobody needs to buy windows server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► why does it help Apple to open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► Swift it or let me rephrase why does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► help Apple to make swift compatible with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► well i think first of all that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► needs Swift on linux because they need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► to run their own services on it I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► think that that's a big thing right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► with apple is that their services are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► are built on what was rumored to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► lot of web objects and old java stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► and just kinda just like old stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► is that he either is not maintained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► anymore was maintained only by apple or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► is not the right tool for the job or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► just in disrepair and so I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► division with Microsoft I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► much they need III don't know I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► know that that's why I'm asking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► this this is I don't know that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► necessarily even a good question but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► Microsoft long-term to to make Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► Server unnecessary but they make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► money off windows server as much as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► make it off exchange licenses and office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► licenses and stuff and like they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► oracle is enterprise software company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► that makes tons and tons of money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► they don't sell that they don't force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► you to buy an operating system i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► they do have oracle enterprise linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► right but it's linux right that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► don't sell hardware uh they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► selling you their software and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► qualified and certain piece of hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► and his relationships with people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► will sell you the hardware and what OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► you should have or whatever but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► when you sell what they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► what i want to use it and exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► license for certain number of people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► remember and it's not as if doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► makes it more likely that there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► in a successful exchange competitor like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► Google's always tried to do with Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1138">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► Apps and everything which is entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► different approach and much more server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► side but as far as Marcus officers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► concerned you mentioned like Apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► call apple has unlimited service of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► course they want to work on linux it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► Microsoft might decide kind of like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► mean you talk about some before one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► was linux right the idea that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► only run exchange on a Windows Server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► including Microsoft Word Microsoft ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► want to you know can you imagine a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► where microsoft sold you exchange an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► office all which ran on the links of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► your choice but a couple that microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► recommends including maybe Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► variant of linux sure because if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► means that that Microsoft doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► to spend money maintaining a proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► server is that was never quite as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► as linux anyway that's a win that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► sacrilege and like the Steve Ballmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► think what are you talking about Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► is the crown jewel and blah blah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► this is a brave new world here if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► you can't be tied to a particular server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► platform especially when it's one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1198">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► like more difficult to manage it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► fewer companies behind in linux is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► basically raced across the entire server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► side ecosystem erasing every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► proprietary competitor so much so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► former primary competitors say okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► we'll just have own variant of linux and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► everyone's okay with that and just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► that's like that part of the ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► has not been become the part where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► make your money and enterprise has never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► been you make money of support contracts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► and licensing and and charging procedure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► / cpu or whatever that you do you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► make it off selling them are Hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► yeah I couldn't agree with that enough I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► remember being tangentially involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► with pricing quotes for things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► sharepoint and his talk and all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► big big big software packages that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► not the server these are the things here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► installing windows server and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► remember the details now but oftentimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► multi-core processors became a thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► think at some point some software might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► installation costs so if you have a 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► Corps computer that doesn't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► sense a 16-core computer with you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► don't know four processors then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► paying 16 times whatever the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► amount is like they make absurd amounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► of money off of the software just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► comically large amounts of money off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► software and to come back to it one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► your original questions Marco like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► would why would what what is microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► in what did they get out of this i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► is they it would be neat for them if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► writing C sharp was kind of the lingua [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► franca of server-side programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► obviously there will never be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► language that's that's the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► language of server-side programming but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► in the same way that java is huge today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► in part because it's open source so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► of that is going open source now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► why couldn't a dotnet be the new Java in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► the future and because it's the old Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► well that's better than the old Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► it's a lot as it has better support you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► know me like that especially now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► son has been gobbled up and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► like who is I mean I guess java lurches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► forward but if anyone was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► compete against java as like Casey says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► the sort of default safe enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► server side language it would be C sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► and part of the thing it's been hurting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► microsoft story is here but then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► gotta buy windows servers and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► knows that feeling like especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► you have an organization that has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► their other servers that are living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► space then everyone's happy with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► and they're all they have to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► entire organization built up around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► managing those servers and like the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► that they can buy different hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► from different vendors and and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► you know different distributions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► everything like that and then someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► comes in and says hey you guys should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► use a sharp and write all your services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► seven sharp using this service side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► frame working at the end like hopin we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► have to introduce windows servers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► nobody wants that like you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► mix it up it's almost like they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► those people separate like you have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► linux-based servers and one set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► people who manage the window space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► service and I don't know if you bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► people to the same room that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► just collide annihilate and i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► other thing we should say a couple quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► notes first of all csharp is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► language you really really is i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► they're going to be people out there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► are rolling their eyes but truly c-sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► is a wonderful wonderful language that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► can be many many many different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► too many many many different people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► i've been writing a lot of Swift over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► the last couple of weeks and i'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► loving Swift but csharp is also a truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► wonderful language and fixes many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► ills that java brought to the table and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► let's assume for a second that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► firm or your staff is really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► c-sharp l maybe they've never touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► Microsoft servers but they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► themselves man i really want to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► the cloud with the c-sharp instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► on-premises with Microsoft it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► matter what cloud environment should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► go to we could just go to Azure which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► probably will do very well with AC sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► base deployment and even faster is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► Microsoft service behind-the-scenes who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► cares because you don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► about it anyway so i think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► plenty to gain from Microsoft by doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► this but we'll see what really ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► happening about I don't know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► difference but the idea of Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► pushing to being everywhere are to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► having two sharp everywhere i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► John any other last thoughts you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► one minor point of speaking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► oracle and sun yes of course Oracle was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► the company the bots on which means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► oracle does actually sell hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► hardware and now Oracle software through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► sounds they sell ZFS storage devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► stuff like that thing does that count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► I'll count is that kind of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► ZFS storage devices there are file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► I don't think it counts but that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► tough one right over so i rescind i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► rescind my ding a second sponsor this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► week is fracture go to fracture me.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► to see for yourself and use code ATP ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► to ten for ten percent off your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► order fracture prints photos in vivid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► color directly onto glass now colors pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► like you won't believe it comes in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► solid backing it's ready to mount right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► out of the package all you have to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► stick the included screws in the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► and hang it up done also very affordable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► with prices starting in just fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► dollars for their small square size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► fracture prints are great and they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► great gifts for family friends and loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► ones because they're already the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► way to celebrate a shared memory with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► something that's also unique and modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► and they're really affordable and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► so check it out today go to fracture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1541">TS</a>]
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00:25:47 ◼ ► percent off your first order they're I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► fracture all over all over our house now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► they used to start off in the office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► there now spreading to the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► and everyone always compliments them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► people love these things they look great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► these great photo prints right there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► glass these nice thin lightweight pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► of glass that you it's not gonna like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► fall off the walls giant heavy pain it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► a nice thin piece of glass and it sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► there nice and flat against the wall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► it just looks modern and clean you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► forget frame you don't try to flatten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► the paper and it within the frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► against the glass none of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► easy simple they look great they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► incredibly well priced check out today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► at fracture me.com use code ATP ten for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► ten percent off thanks a lot to fracture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► for sponsorship yes so there's been some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► interesting things going on with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► United States government and apple and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► don't even I do we really need to recap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► this I guess we probably should give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► short version of an overview would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► helpful for people who listen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► yeah although anyone listening store in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► real time as we know that the star came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► out right after recorded last week so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► presumably everyone listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► show when it's released knows all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► details but we should summarize is does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► that mean I'm the one summarizing I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► we can take a crack at it real quick you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► do seem to be the chief summarizer on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► the show maybe John you and John is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► arced are closed for that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► co-chief summarizer i'm certainly not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► i know i'm saying i can sit back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► drink my tea right how about I'll take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► interrupt your ready so there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► terrible terrible terrible shooting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► december i believe last year in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Bernardino California a couple of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► took it upon themselves to commit this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► really heinous act and kill a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► people and that's really really terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► and there's no there's no discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► it was a terrorist act it it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► that's really unfortunate these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► people suspects perpetrators whatever we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► like to call them they one of them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► was a husband-wife pair of the husband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► had two phones two iphones as far as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► know one of them was destroyed that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► his personal phone his wife's personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► he also had an iphone 5c that was issued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► to him by his job which coincidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► is the San Bernardino government the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► and it is quite possible that if you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► could be set up such that if you enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► the passcode incorrectly ten times in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► row it will nuke everything on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► the iphone is in the custody of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► federal bureau of investigation the FBI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► the FBI wants what's on that phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► they can't get to it because it has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► passcode it could have the destruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► setting turned on such that if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► enter the wrong code ten times it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► destroy itself or destroy all the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► additionally they were advised by apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► at some point or another hey we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► iCloud backup so we don't have any from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► the last six or so weeks I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► exactly how many it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► we don't have a recent like iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► backup we have a semi recent one and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► know what you should do is you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► take the phone and bring it to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► guy's work where presumably there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► known a Wi-Fi network and you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► turn the phone on and just let it sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► overnight plug-in let it sit overnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► and presumably if everything has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► set the way it usually is set that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► back up the thermal back itself up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► the implication from what we've read is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► that not everything in iCloud as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► encrypted as perhaps we'd like it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► thus Apple could get to that data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► handed over to the FBI and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► I'm actually honestly I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► nothing I cloud is encrypted is so every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► big you can you can do the encrypted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► backups through itunes on your desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► and is off by default so for a while as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► we all learned whenever we get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► replacement on with the render all our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► passwords and the reason why is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► anything is encrypted on the device in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► the keychain which is all your passwords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► unencrypted backup does not include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► those things so by default the itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► back up to and including unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► check little boxing and keep my backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► professional iphone restores but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► everyone knows that and then with iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► backups there is no option to encrypt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► iCloud backups at least not today maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► in the future there will be as a result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► of this but they are encrypted but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► alright so they aren't yet they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► no and so as a result nothing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► that's encrypted on the phone in key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► chain gets backed up so but it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► everything like any kind of like content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► you know text messages I i assume would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► be there any kind of you know appdata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► that's that's marked as be as being for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► so documents you've made an appt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► everything those would be included an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► apple had access to all those an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► gave access to all of those to the FBI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► before this even blew up and became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► thing because apple had access to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► through my club but they only had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► older backup if several weeks old it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► doesn't matter how many so they advise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► the FBI in san bernardino please take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► government whatever particular branch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► this person was in leave it on overnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► and it all back yourself up to iCloud at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► which point the police and FBI awkwardly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► grabbed their collars pulling them away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► from their necks and said about that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► might have changed his iCloud password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► already so that phone is gonna try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► back up to iCloud maybe and it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► to see that it doesn't really have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► right password so that's not gonna work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► right so the FBI's decided to ask Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► it's that it would like apple to write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► custom build of iOS that as far as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► FBI is concerned they are happy to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► signed in such a way that it would only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► work on this particular device it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► allow them to it will bypass the setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► that will self-destruct the encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► after ten failed password attempts so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► they can attempt as many as I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► additionally they like any sort of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► delay to go away if there is one and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► forget exactly when those came in when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► they're when they're when they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► but suffice to say there is a time delay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► they'd like to go away and additionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► they like to be able to enter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► passcode not by media fingers on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► screen but by bluetooth or Wi-Fi or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► cable or anyway so that it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► automated with an external computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► the FBI is said we'd like to do it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► our place or apple if you'd prefer we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► that's fine too the the endgame for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► is that they want to be able to throw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► gazillion passcodes at this thing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► very short window of time to brute force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► their way into it so that by some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► measures and we'll get into what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► think here in a second but some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► will are of the opinion that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► perfectly reasonable point of view from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► the FBI that they only wanted for one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► they only want to do it this once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► they they're even willing to have apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► do it in in cupertino and Apple's own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► environment and the FBI will either come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► to them or if Apple gives them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► remote access to a machine that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► enter passcode the FBI will do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► remotely they don't care they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► wanted this one time for this one phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► to see if possibly maybe something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► that will indicate that this was part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► a wider terrorist plot rather than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► couple of crazy people doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► that is really really on just uncool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► that's the FBI's perspective apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► perspective is hey if we do this once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► that's establishing a legal precedent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► that means you can ask us to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► not only that but we would have to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► code to do this and that seems a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► unreasonable to tell us to write a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► of code to allow you to tu brute force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► your way into a phone that we've spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► long time trying to make sure that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► beyond that a lot of government entities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► have come out of the woodwork over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► last 48 hours saying you know what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► this works for the FBI we have a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► of iphones we'd like to do that for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► ok cool sounds great so Apple is of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► opinion that this is a backdoor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► again we'll get into what we think in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► second but apple says this is a backdoor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► and in fact just earlier today Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► was didn't it especially with ABC News [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► where he used the analogy that creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► this is like creating a software version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► of cancer which by the way i think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► virus would be a better analogy there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► then test as well yeah I thought he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► hammered that analogy a little too hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► because it isn't that great of one he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► unfortunately the interviewer had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► than a handful of questions so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► just like after the first round was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► which one of my talking points am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► going to use a reply for this question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► yeah it was the same thing just over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► over and over again which is really too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► bad but in any case so apples of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► opinion this is a backdoor once we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► done this once we're going to be asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► to do it a thousand times we don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► it's fair to do it even once we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► think it's fair to us we don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► it's fair to our customers were not into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► it so the Apple is saying we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► going to do it and more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► Tim Cook said in this interview we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► willing to go all the way to the Supreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► Court fighting this because we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► that's what's right is that a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► reasonable summary of where we are today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► pretty much I mean like there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► more detail here that we could just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► by stating everything we have either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► learned or that's been talked about over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► the last week or so since is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► broke we could fill the whole hour and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► half with this and we shouldn't because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► they'll take too long i think let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► assume that everyone who wants to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► more about this will will go and read up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► on whatever is new and whatever has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► probably safe for us to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► now rather than just keep going over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► good deal that's what we think it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► me sad every part of this makes me sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► there there's so much of this that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► that is just like crappy politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► playing each other out and that mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► on the government's honestly I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► listeners of the show should know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► we do not we do not shy away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► criticizing Apple when it is warranted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► we will call them out on things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► think are BS or things that we think are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► worse than they should be or not or are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► just not you know not good enough in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► this case though I think I i think apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► is mostly in the right and not a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► percent in the right because and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► again we should point also you know none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► apologize to anybody listening to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► who knows more about the law that we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► who's screaming at whatever we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► mention or get wrong but I that the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► thing that I think makes us a weaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► is that it is technically possible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► them to do this and I wonder in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► future you know I I assume it's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► somebody's project Apple it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► already i assume it is now somebody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► project project of Apple 22 head and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► effort to actually make this impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► to do in the future to remove their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► technical ability to do anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► this and there are a number of ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► they could do that their number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► challenges to that but ultimately i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► think i've mostly agree with apple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► they i stand with them that they that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► they ideally shouldn't do this but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► does weaken their argument a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► that they can do it when you say can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► it what you mean is I don't let me put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► words in my mouth and just make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► what you mean is they could write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► specifically for this one and only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► phone that would get the FBI what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► definitely worth reading this article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► presentation to get it wrong by Jonathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► Villar ski he died i don't i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► him but he appears to be somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► specializes in iOS forensics and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► testifying in court using iOS forensic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► tools and creating forensic tools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► his his post here kind of explains that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► the legal implications of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► apple kind of have to do if they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► this instrument the FBI's demand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► I don't think the FBI is really asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► for justice one phone to be decrypted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► once and that's it i think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► asking for the the continuous ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► warranted or whenever there is a quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► or want to do it so it and even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► aren't asking for that now that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► what they're asking for like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► you like even if they're not asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► that in in the legal text that is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► will happen here because this will set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► precedent and then it'll be so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► easier next time someone asks for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► to be like oh well you did it for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► he this was important you know and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► think to cover that pretty well honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► I ultimately i think his interview on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► ABC news i watched it right before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2338">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► show tonight i think is if you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► was very good overall there there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► some parts that were a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► uncomfortable and cringe-worthy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► I think it was very good and I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► might very well and I think I think at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► this really shows this the strength of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► tim cook and and how how we are lucky to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► have to cook as the CEO of Apple during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► times like this I could not agree more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► this is exactly like where he shines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► like he is he is clearly and he said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► shows in the past but you know this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► you know shows more now he's clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► very principled and he won't be pushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► around you know if it goes against his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► principles and and I think this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► just shows I mean you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► see any other company or any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► executive put up the fight that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► going to put up on this it's simple as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► that I mean like you're not going to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► anyone better than him fight this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► that side of it that you know it again i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► could nitpick little few little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► he said but overall I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► so honestly I i really do think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► Apple is totally in the right to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► this only again only with an asterisk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► that it sure would be better if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► actual answer was we actually can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► technically do this it is impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► because then it's then it's you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► argue whether that whether it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► legal to make things like that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► can't argue about this case anymore then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► because everyone's playing on everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► emotions on this ever like and Tim do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► this to with his responses and he kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► had to but like you know like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► interviewers like well think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► victims and the FBI all about this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► this is that this isn't about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► ability to decrypt phones forever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► about these 14 families victims and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► it is it is about them and this horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► event happened this people were killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► is that there is no there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► about that that is anything but horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and a huge tragedy but the FBI is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► using this for their political gain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► they knew that they set this case up as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► a perfect fighting battleground to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► this issue on that they believe they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► entitled in this is not just the FBI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► this is all law enforcement and federal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► intelligence in America they believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► information and any possessions and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► people that they want to that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► believe they need to get their job in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► they just think might be a problem or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► might be relevant to crimes that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► happened they believe they're entitled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► to it all and they get it most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► time you know like I'm a quick walk with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► us look at everything we've learned from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► Edward Snowden's revelations about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► NSA of the last couple years and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► everything that's spun out from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► it's very clear and a beat between that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► and between things that happened at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► lower levels of law enforcement whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► just you know murdering people getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► away with it it's very clear that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► look at the culture of law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► in the whole country from from national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► down to local is incredibly entitled and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► and just kind of mad at they operate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► like a lawless military dictatorship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► everything they want in their minds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► they usually get it and even when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► they do it anyway and they get away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► it most of the time if I'd all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► they get they can with it almost all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► time so they they are above the law in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► their minds they they believe they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► entitled to everything and they'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► it's about national security but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► know that's what that's what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► like Angry macho neocon craziness in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► reality like that this culture they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► is that they are entitled to everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► all the time and whatever they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► they're entitled to do their job you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► entitled to everything right and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► country so far in recent years if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► ever in recent years supports that we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► support bye-bye what judges say by what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► the people do and don't get mad about by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► how quickly we all forget things we the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► people and the courts and all the way up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► to the presidency everyone in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► system is complacent and permits this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► happen so the reality is it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► what matters is what we will tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► and they know that and so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► they're playing his emotional buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► you know they're talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► victims and families and Tim's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► about kids being you know if we know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► location your kids this is why this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► whole thing just makes me so sad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► really does because I how she's I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► then let's just say that there's a read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► that there are reasons I don't usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► talk about politics you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► think I'm like negative and bitter about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► apple stuff this this is how i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► I try to avoid as a topic for my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► I just want to make one quick thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► and then I'd like to hear what John us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► to say about this but as I was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► this interview tonight which I think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► a little bit unfortunate because as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► had said or one of us said yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► the same talking points from both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► just repeated over and over i feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► the entire interview could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► like four and a half minutes long but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► anyway I I caught myself sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► listening to this and I thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2638">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► myself this is why we have Tim Cook you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► know this is why Tim Cook is here is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► this very moment right now because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► don't doubt that maybe Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► would've fought at the same way to ms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► but I don't know if you would have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► unbelievably proud of tim cook and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► of apple for standing up for what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► believe to be right and for doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► right thing because this is not easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► really either side or anyone involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► but particularly for apple and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► credit in the world to Apple as you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► we have a tendency to to call it like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► see it and sometimes we see it to be not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► so not so sunny but I I could not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► more proud of appleton cook than I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► John what do you have to say about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► this I was thinking about how their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► to handle that interview like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► very least he would have I mean Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► Jobs has more sort of natural charisma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► that then Tim Cook I I I feel like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► of things when you're watching it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► are if you're supportive of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► position in this the interviewer asks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► the leading questions to try to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► get that get him to say something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► Tim would just go back to his talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► points not falling for the trap jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► would have said the things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► thinking like the sort of you know come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► back at him and you know take take more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► enforcement Orton was always like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► know we respect lon far as we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► work with them you want to work together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► jobs would have been to let the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► that he's pissed been you know be clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► that he's pissed analysis is going unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► to cook a little bit closer now it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► question whether that would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► actually better in terms of PR just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► know it would be more satisfying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► people who agree with them already would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► have been any more convincing people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► don't in the court of public opinion I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► so anyway that's that's a sideshow one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► thing that Marco said that stuck out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► me was the idea that this feels worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► because Apple can technically do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► and again I don't want a lawyer I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► know about the legal consequences but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► when I think about it I think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► not relevant at all because of legal the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► question was is there's this two parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► this one is the but Marco alluded to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► when he said well we better if they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► a system that Apple couldn't break into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► prison they were just Apple to say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► you know we can't do anything oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► sorry we can't help you like technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► we can help you there's nothing we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► do all the money and all the time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► world wouldn't solve this for us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► immediately leads to okay we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► going to outlaw cryptography which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► that it would be in terrible stupid rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► because you cannot math and you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► whatever so that's one end of that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► that's that's what I think this case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► about when I think about it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► because Apple can do it doesn't mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► government can order them to do it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► the government can't make any one of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► citizens or corporations or entities or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► something just because they feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► right there has to be established law as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► in when we issue you a search warrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► you have to let us search right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► you know you can't just say you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► would be nice family wrote you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► custom operating system let's crack it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► yeah that would be nice wouldn't it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► do you the government have the power to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► compel the corporation to do work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► you because you think it would be cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► like that that's why this is a legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► case like this will be decided in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► courts in with legislation and so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► so forth but the idea like Marco said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► that law enforcement you know they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► technically do this when we just ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► them to can we make them do that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► we like in charge here like and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► answer is no you can't really make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► and have apple doesn't want to they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► gonna challenge you and you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► go through the legal system and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► figure out whether this is something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► can even ask them to do so i always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► cryptography vs conscription can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► script a corporation to write software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► on your behalf you are law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► because you feel like it not based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► any existing law on the books or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► legal precedent over just because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► thing that's possible and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► this is the same thing at all but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► the idea that the government can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► demand that you testify against yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► you have the right to remain silent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► they cannot compel you to speak against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► yourself they may ask you you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► you were you on the date such and such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► and if they're accusing or something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► can just not answer them and they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► compel you to answer because it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► could answer all it's much worse because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► you know you have a voice you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► answer them if you want to i want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► they can't compel you to because its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► your right to keep them and again this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► may or may not be speech or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► the whole idea that someone is capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► of doing something does not mean well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► the government should be able to compel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► you to do it that's it doesn't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► sense so that has to be sorted out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► the law and then conceptually since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► we're late to the story and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► gone through all the details and we went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► through a lot of them already anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► thing that really boggles my mind about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► this conceptually is like the the short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► view so many people have like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► think you know people who are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► wrong side of this issue as in people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► I the incredible short view that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► just big picture like pull back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► this issue pull back from this one phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► pull back from details about like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► it's been since tailor-made to set a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► legal precedent and now you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► all the details of the other things want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► to decode stuff on whether you can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► with this one phone and think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► children and the terrorists victims and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► also the stuff in the details whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► there's anything on the phone and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► you know also by the way the code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► probably 11 or 11 or 12 34 they just try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► this too close and will be unlocked but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► even if they did they would quickly lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► it again because that's not what this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► about yeah i mean if also if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► talking about like what's most likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► has nothing on the phone yeah it's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► way more likely that like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► person's work phone that he they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► personal phones that they destroyed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► yeah it's very it's way more like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► work phone has nothing useful on it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► the FBI knows that and they that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► why this isn't about that it's about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► know they they chose this case to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► publicize they chose to publicize it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► and not do the negotiations and secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► where Apple Apple requested they chose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► this because they knew that emotionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► is that like the the will of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► would probably be on their side because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► they can play the angles of terrorism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► and victims and everything like all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► that's what i'm getting at the the will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► of the people all right so i would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► speaking to the people at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► that people who don't agree this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► right thing to do just keep pulling back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► from this case from this thing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► phones from encryption from all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► details or whatever and just think over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► the last several decades or whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► general trend in American government has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► been people being afraid and looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► anyone who promises to make them safer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► and giving up rights to get that imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► safety from 9-11 on but even before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► the whole idea was it if you scare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► enough people and say we can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► someone is going to kill you and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► family unless we can tap all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► telephone calls and read all your mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► and all-you-can-eat like whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► just just a general trend of you put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► a graph knew you could argue about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► specifics or whatever but there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3058">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► arguing that the general trend has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► away from civil liberties and towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► government has access to more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► stuff and that has been motivated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► generally by people being afraid either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► people making them afraid or people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► generally being afraid of people take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► advantage of that fear to say now we in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► law enforcement can do our job better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► because you're afraid you need to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► us these rights and time and again but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► law enforcement government proven that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► once they get the right they don't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► him back the using the ways that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► didn't say that they said they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► there's no repercussions for that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► it's a ratcheting mechanism but never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► slide the other direction only goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► more and more and technology is enabling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► to do this now every individual point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► you can argue with like oh do I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► wiretapping what about Snowden or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► whatever you can argue every individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► point when you put it on a big graph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► this is a massive trend a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► specifically when it comes to law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► enforcement surveillance and privacy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► so even in this individual case you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► have to like you have to color all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► your thinking to say is should we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► continue to play out this thing on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► individual battles slowly ratcheting our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► how does this all end like such a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► slide you have to at some point say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► there's a limit you just can't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► asking for more and more and more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► generations of people living and dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► and just getting used to what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► government does until like you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► can't keep going in that direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► forever it has to be a pendulum it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► to be a cycle there has to be a swing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► and at some point you have to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► swinging in the other direction some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► point the people you know your fear of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► being killed by terrorists has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► intellectual ideas that are you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► country supposedly founded on of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► know some amount of individual liberty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► and writes I guess that swing back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► all the other direction like we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► freedom of speech but we also have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► know slander laws and you know can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► yell fire in a crowded theater like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► one-on-one that there are extremes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► we are headed we've been headed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► other direction for so long that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► think that every problem that touches on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► this you at all has to be viewed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► context of the humongous long clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► unidirectional slide that we've been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► for so long and so anybody who's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► this I have to say don't you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► do you agree that this we've been going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► this direction for far too long at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► point do we need to turn around at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► point do we need to start swinging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► I think personally we're way past that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► point but even if you don't think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► past that point if you're not thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► about that point it's just every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► something comes up that you're afraid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► or that you need your you know support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► the troops law enforcement is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► right the the government is our friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► if every single time something comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► you never even occurred to you to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► at where we're going and how we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► swing in the direction and i'm far from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► you know a libertarian individual rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► not job that I personally i'm far from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► now but I'm just saying like no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► where you are if you never if you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► consider it like this movement this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► graph the suspect then it will never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► occur to adjust it and there's no like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► oh it will be too late like there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► it'll just be the new normal the normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► the new normal the only thing we'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► to compare self-worth is the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► world that is hopefully slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► saying in these matters lo the UK shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► maybe not because they've got surround [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► eventually swing back in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► direction and it just seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► anybody who is at this point against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► this thing is showing that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► thinking entirely with their their heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► and their fear and all those things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► establishing legal precedence and giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► power to the government to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► rights of privacy and against all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► details like you don't know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► details about encryption and all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► it's too esoteric it's too that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► government's to Tim Cook can't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► real case because it's too detailed your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► eyes glaze over you just like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► terrorists bad give the government what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► they want right that is exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► thing that's got us do all the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► things you've been doing some line 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► and I just feel he can continue to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► everybody should at the very least every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► time they make any argument that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► should have to explain why not only is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► this the right thing to do in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► but i believe that is essential for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► to ratchet this thing up one more notch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► you know for for the for invading our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► privacy and forgiving law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► government power and I that is essential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► in this because if anyone says is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► this one time or just as one thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► whatever it's like they have they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► haven't looked at history recent history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► or ancient history or any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► history is not the way it works when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► someone gets power if they don't give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► up again unless you take it from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► yeah but honestly I i totally agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► first of all I did everything you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► is gold but looking at history and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► looking at the present in the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► and everything I don't think I see a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► of evidence that it ever really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► swinging the other direction that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► say there wasn't more authoritarian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► government control into a king then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► there was under the market is huge swing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► in the other direction are these does go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► back and forth in cycles like you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► study history there are times where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► government has more power over its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► citizenry and then less power and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► more than less and you know it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► which direction we're going in now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► it's clear why in America anyway there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► no reason we can't reverse that trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► line you would think like oh well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► know people like being under the King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► because it provides a measure of safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► and a fat King like the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► Mongol hordes are coming kill them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► wherever there's always some reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► be like yeah it's terrible but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► better than the alternative right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► some people like you know if the King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► were chopping his head off and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► government or whatever like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► throwing his tea overboard like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► are big messy calamities but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► look at the Constitution has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► amended many times to give people more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► rights and and it take rights away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► the government say you know previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► now we think that's not such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► idea so maybe write that into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► Constitution or the effort example you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► can't drink alcohol anymore no nevermind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► previously we had the right to stop you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► from bringing alcohol then later we said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► no we probably shouldn't have that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► yeah but on the other side of it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► you like maybe I mean first of all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► know there's different there's different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► versions of like a government that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► too much power that's too oppressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► that people revolt against or overthrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► you know like it a grant this is way out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► of our usual comfort zone so please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► forgive me for anything i'm picturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► here but you know like if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► about like the way that we are being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► oppressed by the surveillance and police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► states here it's in a way that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► people don't care about because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► don't think it affects them and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► hardly if the government is taxing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► crap out of you it you know like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► taking your land stuff like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► you know if that's it that's happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► a whole bunch of people that's enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► historically but if they're just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► you know keeping records of your text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► messages and in these weird secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► things that no one really thinks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► her knows about and even were told they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► exist everyone look at well it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► and then we offer getting go watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► bachelor like I feel like that the ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► in which things are going so badly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► we're talking about here are ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► people don't care about enough but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► well but but for most people there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► no consequences that they see it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► matter if they're not it does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► anything it just matters that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► consequences for somebody you just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► you just need basically you need an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► attractive young person to encounter a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► problem you know like that like it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► same perfect storm that makes these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► things a great case of the FBI this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► the opposite to write and and here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► thing that makes me optimistic about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► despite insane jerem answering and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► sorts of other things we still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► our people vote and so if people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► angry enough the people who are in power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► get voted out and do people get voted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► so it's always up to someone else to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► find a way to exploit the public to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► them elected and people are always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► motivated to do that and they're smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► people trying to get them like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► instead of somebody else and so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► will always be at least some way for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► to effect change but also liked but over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► time you know as as as technology has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► progressed as the world has gotten more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► you know just more kind of globalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► and you know as as like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► centralization of power as progressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► what if this has actually gotten so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► that now there's they're so good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► things are so big and there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► power cut concentrated in so few hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► manipulating people and manipulating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► media and controlling the messaging of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► that has gotten so advanced we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► gotten so good at it or you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► that like a concentrated power basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► and keeping those people in power that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► that kind of overthrow or change just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► doesn't happen anymore you like in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► ways like certain forms of warfare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► basically don't happen anymore because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► effective things you know it in to cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► those those needs or wants a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► types of media don't exist anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► certain types of of legal issues are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► just not debated anymore certain types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► of freedoms are just assumed that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► will either always have one that we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► never have it seems like we've moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► forward move past many things and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► advanced so much so I feel like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► the police states are so in control now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► of almost every fertile country and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► guts of a combination of of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► establishment of control here along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► these issues usually not bothering most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► everyday people in ways that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► plus the ability for for the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► want to keep things this way to very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► effectively control the media narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► and I have media so centralized that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► I feel like the conditions are such now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► revolution can't really happen anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► does that make sense is am I just crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► your phone into the Illuminati trap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► where you imagine that it's possible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► conspiracy of people to actually keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► their stuff together and actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► all-powerful and controlling bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► that's what undoes all these things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► the way if any grand conspiracy theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► requires people to be so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► confident than anyone else so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► intelligent and capable and organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► and able to keep secrets and able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► read like that any conspiracy theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► realizing that is obviously false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► because that just not happen there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► no better set of people better able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► control things and if the ends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► saying before their maybe individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► people who are good at that but there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► opposition to each other and also all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► them are just plain old people but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► own stupid four balls and desires and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► things that don't make any sense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► that general the general chaos of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► being people means that it in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► but not saying it all works itself out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3730">TS</a>]
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01:02:18 ◼ ► things as long as we still have some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► to change things about taking up arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► which at this point would be a non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► workable anyway to get seriously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3745">TS</a>]
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01:02:30 ◼ ► the entire US Army if you set up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► battle assuming both sides were highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► motivated against it which makes no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3754">TS</a>]
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01:02:37 ◼ ► children of the citizenry or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► anyway if you can imagine that scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3759">TS</a>]
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01:02:47 ◼ ► which is getting tinier all-time granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3767">TS</a>]
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01:02:52 ◼ ► stupid people with their own weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3772">TS</a>]
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01:03:09 ◼ ► sense of and like in many ways idiocracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3789">TS</a>]
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01:03:39 ◼ ► seen over the last you know 10 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3819">TS</a>]
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01:03:44 ◼ ► seen is that the government or the those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3824">TS</a>]
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01:03:59 ◼ ► ways to do overtime as long as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► message directly publicly they can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► away with it almost every time but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► are people there are people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► motivated to get them out of office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► other people want those jobs and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► have the same tools and knowledge their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► disposal to battle them if someone does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► something like that it guaranteed when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► they get on there and come up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► election and someone wants to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► against them they're gonna bring up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► thing and they're gonna bring it up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► the unfavorable angle using all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► tricks of the trade and emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► appeals like it that it that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► elections again not the cure for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► elections are the the hedge against this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► because all the tools they have to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► away with stuff people who want them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► of office have you know to run against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► them to do the exact same thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► that's also based on a number of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► assumptions of a that the population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► cares what people say independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► election debates and everything but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3883">TS</a>]
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01:04:46 ◼ ► care that's how you get elected you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3886">TS</a>]
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01:04:49 ◼ ► to get people i mean look at Donald [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3889">TS</a>]
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01:04:55 ◼ ► right how you doing that good season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► knows how to manipulate and play the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3897">TS</a>]
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01:05:15 ◼ ► face on it like all the tools are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► for everybody and people are constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► hungry to kick out the old guys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3919">TS</a>]
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01:05:23 ◼ ► possible because elections happen and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► they can commit you to do it for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3925">TS</a>]
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01:05:28 ◼ ► be corrupted have power and do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► whatever you know so like a given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► sci-fi stories it's always like well or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► in military dictatorship sore in places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► like North Korea where the people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► no power and literally sometimes have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3938">TS</a>]
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01:05:43 ◼ ► in a first world country with us even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► remotely functioning government where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► people get to vote you there is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3949">TS</a>]
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01:06:29 ◼ ► mean you usually are so I i have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► confidence here you're generally right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3992">TS</a>]
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01:06:35 ◼ ► can't be disastrous because i think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► of them one of the sci-fi stories in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► that is plausible is like the one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► you get the crazy person like Trump or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4000">TS</a>]
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01:06:45 ◼ ► firestarter anyway they want to spoil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► the bunch of people someone like Trump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4007">TS</a>]
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01:06:51 ◼ ► and we all die like that's always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► possibility but I feel like I lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4012">TS</a>]
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01:06:58 ◼ ► world could blow up at any second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4018">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► because of a cowboy in the White House [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4019">TS</a>]
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01:08:28 ◼ ► really nice handles they have this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4108">TS</a>]
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01:09:12 ◼ ► cold which by the way i have have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► heard have a cult difficult not fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► obviously the dead zone sorry brain fart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► there and you know as Donald Trump would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► say he could shield himself from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► assassin by holding a young child in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► front of them still win the nomination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► alright no politics no my good now said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► yes seriously is there any better you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► question thats thats related but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► less sad hopefully I said let's assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► that starts and actually let's assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► that uh that Apple is told you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► do this and you know the the the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► is upset we are upset actually haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► talked that much about how this relates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► everyone's upset apples told they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► engineers you have to do this now what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► happens if all the engineers at work an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► apple that have any sort of knowledge as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► to how to make this happen just say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► insubordination to think I've been one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► would assume i agree civil disobedience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► civil disobedience because basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► like if you refuse to do what the law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► says you have to do that you accept the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► consequences of it which is either get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► fired to go to jail like I mean it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► basically of apples CEOs refused to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► comply with the thing there in contempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► of court or whatever you know thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► they asked if the people in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► I cooperate and tell her subordinates to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► do in this importance don't then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► it's not as if there's some scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► where that we can all sit on their hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► and say well you told us to do it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► told these guys do but they won't oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► well like court orders a court order and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► there's consequences for whoever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► that decides to divide it and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► could feel this would be answers is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► way to protest unjust laws but part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► civil disobedience is that you accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► part of civil disobedience oh yes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► could happen but i really doubt it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4267">TS</a>]
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01:11:12 ◼ ► if Tim Cook was thrown in jail over not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► somebody else would replace them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► the company have to continue operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► somehow and then that person would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► authorize it or they go to jail the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► person would like that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► like eventually you'd find somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► would do it so that that's not really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► way out and really it really speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4291">TS</a>]
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01:11:34 ◼ ► ordered to but then simultaneously what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► they would be doing is like Marcus said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4295">TS</a>]
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01:11:38 ◼ ► know working on an operating system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► they themselves can hack into and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► just leads to the next legal fight which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► is should it be legal to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► incision another incredibly stupid legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► fight that like at a certain point law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► enforcement becomes just so misguided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► and what they want like in some respects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4311">TS</a>]
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01:11:57 ◼ ► enforcement is highly motivated to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4317">TS</a>]
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01:12:20 ◼ ► soil and then it gets all unbalanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► right can also make the minor correction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► that law enforcement incentive is not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► solve crimes it's too close cases not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► necessarily solving them just to close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► the case solving them suggests they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► doing it correctly in the grand scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► of things again people being people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► whenever is that not get into and into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► disincentives but anyway when things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► working what like what I'm getting at is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► that it's not necessarily a bad thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► government that are in opposition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► each other and both highly motivated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► it's a problem with one side keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► winning four decades on end because then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► you get you know they're not balancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► each other anymore like there is no more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► balanced right but in this case in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► crypto thing like say apples order to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► it they do it two years later they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► with new version of iOS they can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► crack into eventually all the old iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► devices we go out of you so no criminals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and of course all the criminals upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► to the one that applicant break into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► law enforcement has this thing they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► they're pissed off about it it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► legal issue you know the the senators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► and Congress people who think they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► get better best get elected by scaring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► their citizenry into thinking this needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► to be done they say it's outrageous that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► an American company can make phones the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► American government can't break into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► that should not be allowed so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► cryptography illegal right at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► you hope someone more enforcement would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► realize that it's it's a semi right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► America can make whatever it wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► illegal you can't get rid of math like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► the rest of the world has the math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► people can write programs themselves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► make cryptography that in theory can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► be cracked by you know the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► biggest computers for some you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► that's you can't unring that Bell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► that exists and some of you make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► illegal for all that's gonna do is make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► law-abiding US companies not do that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► everyone else can do it right and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► it's a it's a it doesn't help law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► enforcement right and it practically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► terrorists are not as sophisticated as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► people think they are but if they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► to be like you know even even this guy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► phone if you had used an alphanumeric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► password again the government when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► FBI wouldn't be able to ask Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► crack into it anyway because it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► take too long right maybe did in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► yeah well he destroyed that so anyway it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► that the way the system should work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► American company should be able to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► technology they want with the best you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► know cryptography available to them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► the government should be able to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► its hold Jillian's of dollars in tax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4489">TS</a>]
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01:15:01 ◼ ► allowed to know how much money they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► spend like homeland security in the NSA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4502">TS</a>]
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01:16:08 ◼ ► tech companies to try to get legislation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4568">TS</a>]
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01:16:44 ◼ ► doesn't do anything terrorists can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4604">TS</a>]
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01:16:57 ◼ ► encrypt things so that no one can get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► except for them they could do it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► they could have done it a decade ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► that they have the technology that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► what's stopping you have a lot more help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4625">TS</a>]
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01:18:03 ◼ ► haven't talked about guns by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4683">TS</a>]
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01:18:11 ◼ ► about guns anyway people have things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4691">TS</a>]
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01:18:31 ◼ ► if Apple i quote unquote wins in court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4711">TS</a>]
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01:18:47 ◼ ► life over the past several decades or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► who agree with it because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► constantly terrified of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4730">TS</a>]
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01:18:58 ◼ ► the things they're gonna kill him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4738">TS</a>]
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01:19:04 ◼ ► that's a bummer for Apple I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4744">TS</a>]
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01:19:09 ◼ ► even if he wins he loses a little bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► this one and that's why it's so it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4751">TS</a>]
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01:19:20 ◼ ► is not large here but there's there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► almost no upside for them like like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► don't understand like you sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► upside is that they can sell more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► phones like Marco said people don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► enough about this know there are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► to buy the Apple phone because it's less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► likely the government can no one thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4773">TS</a>]
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01:19:40 ◼ ► feel like absolutely it's a huge loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4780">TS</a>]
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01:19:45 ◼ ► can see in this the only one I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4785">TS</a>]
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01:20:12 ◼ ► flaw or the or like the the quitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► your apps they even or like the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► that they're like that they changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► the dock port to the Lightning port make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► you revile your cables they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4822">TS</a>]
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01:20:50 ◼ ► really stick around in the news cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4850">TS</a>]
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01:20:57 ◼ ► Kanye West will say something and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► will be like they didn't then all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► won't matter anymore it's like be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► the attention span of the of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4862">TS</a>]
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01:21:10 ◼ ► you know like the Snowden stuff where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4870">TS</a>]
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01:21:15 ◼ ► there's no good solution or endgame here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4875">TS</a>]
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01:21:20 ◼ ► understand the topic in general is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► complicated like I've had a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► like like non-geeks bring up this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► in the last week or so since it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► and every time their reaction is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► what is Apple doing to help terrorists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► it's what exactly is going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► understand if you aren't very technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► and also haven't haven't like read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► really good summary of it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► it'sit's all the very sensationalize and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► boosted by the media here and there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► nobody really like in general people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► don't really understand it or don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► a very accurate picture of it so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► honestly I don't think it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► stick around for very long at in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► cycle i think i think i'd be surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► if anybody was talking about two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► from now to get some support for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► pessimism marco by the way like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► think for for issues like this that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► technical that people don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► that much about that you need to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► be into the intellectual or legal side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► of it to really have it hold your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► attention because it's too complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► to think but otherwise very often leads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► to terrible laws that take a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► if ever to go away doesn't mean they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► it just means that we may all be dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► some recent examples are like the dmca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► all the weird you know stuff involving a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► cable television and breaking encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► on on ink cartridges for printers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► like all the laws that most of those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► my corporate lobbying obviously but laws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► that are about technical issues like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► the if I feel like really feel like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► you took any individual American put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► them into room and playing explain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► dmca actual consequences of it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► would come down on the side that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► understand the motivations but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► not the way to do it because it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► abused in all these ways and look at how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► it works and blah blah but the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► line is that pass it's still lame it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► not going away anytime soon eternal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► copyright another great example you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► explain someone that until you're blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► in the face you could probably convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► pretty much everybody individually but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► overall people like their I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► whatever they should know Mickey Mouse i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► guess like no one no one thinks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► the long-term consequences of copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► encryption is an entire patent system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► yeah the entire patent system like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► outlawing encryption with that we can so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► could the outlaw encryption despite how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► stupid is like I'm hoping that law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► enforcement realize Alan carpet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► pointless they wouldn't even pursuit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► it in pursuit they get it because law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► enforcement is is not a culture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► trying to understand things it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► culture is like somethings are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► like you need people sort of subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► matter experts thinking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► consequences and then also tear them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► with people who are good at convincing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5038">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► other people to do what they say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► it's really easy to get bad laws we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► lots of examples of bad laws on you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► just hoping that like and what what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► getting at is that your pessimism is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► this not this is like it you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► it's just that some of these things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► a really really long time turn around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► long enough that you know we won't live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► to see them like do you think you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► never live to see the dmca taken away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► no probably not you think we'll ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► lived to see reasonable copyright or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► patent office certainly not right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► doesn't mean those things are hopeless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► and they will never swing back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► other direction because all you need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► because people are so fickle and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► short attention spans and can't be into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► the intellectual details of every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► freaking thing that the government does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► this system is always ripe for a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► capitalize on a crisis in a way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► something bad and that is always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► possibility in any sort of democracy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► we'll never get to the really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► dystopian sci-fi movies because well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► always think about when i watch those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► movies like that's fine but long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► long-term like I mean even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► have the rise of Hitler right eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► people realize we should fight this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► right and it's like you go you'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► have something like that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► affected well what about Hitler he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► pretty terrible he was your right but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► didn't lead to and it's Hitler forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► like you know people die people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► killed people fight like again we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► all new car selves and that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► that doesn't satisfy believe everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► nukes like I could happen and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► know the machines take over i guess i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► don't know but the ones where it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► like a bunch of people who sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► boiled frog and they slowly they slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► slowly like find themselves increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► themselves out of it and then you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► fast-forward like thousands of years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► that just doesn't seem possible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► because in the end people people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► don't want to be uncomfortable they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► don't wanna you know be sad or hurt they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► want to just hang out and the holodeck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► will kill everybody we all know that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► depressed even make infant timescale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► you don't even times the holiday key you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► need a holodeck and that's it end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► this on that happy note i think we're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► a time tonight you want to give some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► the topic anyway just done that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► though we'll go over time I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► now we can we do in the post-show thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► 143 sponsor this week Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5181">TS</a>]
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01:26:26 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► mean to be in because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► research Marco in kc wouldn't let him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► accidental and you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► know today d p dot and if twitter follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► yes byl ISS so that's king list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► alright so what do you want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► about that uh what's happy these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► anything else besides this and I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► save my blue right thing for a happier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► more tech-heavy week when we come out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► this politics Jones and swear never to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► talk about it so it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► it's not like we choose it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► car thing it's like Apple building a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► window you know we had a car podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► when now we have a tech podcast then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► Apple decides they're gonna make car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► maybe allegedly possibly that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► that's not on us but it's not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► said you just wanted to talk about cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► again i'm not making their be rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► about Apple making car and similarly we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► don't want to talk about politics on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► show we avoid as much as we can but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► Apple is that you know the main tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► company to talk about the show has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► get into a big fight in the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► what can we do like it with that's I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► sorry you know it had to happen and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► very difficult to talk about political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► issues without getting political so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► you're angry that we talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► thinking of sending us an email or tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► that tells us we should stick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► technology we were blame apple blame the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► this is a technology related issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► hundred percent so is that the happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► topic now that's just like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► pre-emptive preemptive whining I this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► one I feel like we should pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► yeah I don't really wanna talk with mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► pro is there news i don't know i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► buy I'm not gonna buy American alright I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► want to know if there was news but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► known as that of course if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► always assume there's no news with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► mac pro because almost all the time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► the exception of fillers activation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► every other time there's no news about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► the macro all there was the repair thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► where everyone's macros that were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► failing there like a repair extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► program to help them right god damn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► that wasn't this week though I know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► semi-reasonable I feel bad for my cuz he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► sold as it was flaky but he could if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► kept a little bit longer could have got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► a you know all the guts that presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► problems he was having yeah but the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► has been a computer for him anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► thought you know just it's great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► putting your iPad in front of a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► backdrop but screen set right look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► well I've had people you don't want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► that that's not know that they have good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► news they have a pencil news this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► oh yeah we didn't mention that yeah with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► three beta at all the bases until now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► had had removed the ability to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► Apple pencil to do certain you I tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► like scrolling list and panning things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► and and our friends know that over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► Nightwatchman beta and then we heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► from a few people i think including a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► tipster that this was actually not a bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► this is actually a choice apple had made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► that the pencil shouldn't be used for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► these things and then over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► days a whole bunch of people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► articles about it last week or two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► ago cortex complained about it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► effectively and so there's a whole bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► of of complaining about over the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► couple of weeks and then apple announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► well they gave a wonderfully spun PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► statement to the effect of we always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► plan to do it this way band next beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► temporarily removed you know of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► that of course it wasn't and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► that was PR spin but it's fine let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► at i don't know like I don't know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► take that at face value because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► thing it again this is the more open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► apple which is nice that they're telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► us like in the old Apple wouldn't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► us at all like we would you know be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► under NDA and developers well they told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► baby steps right but the real thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► that i wasn't thinking of is like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► would be the motivation for moving this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► functionality is I think Stephen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► Twitter had a couple of speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► about what it might be but he was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► i'm like why would they remove it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► assume it's intentional right and assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► they're not telling you this intentional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► because they don't want to i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► trying to get a plausible reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► them to intentionally remove it I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► the the best reasons i heard were one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► was was the idea that you should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► could be like scrolling things with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► finger but you should only be using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► pencil tool like tap or make marks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► things and enter to kind of clarify what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► the pencil is used for but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► people aren't idiots they they know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► the pencils for like it so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► that's not a great reason the the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► reason I heard that was more i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► more likely more credible was simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► that Apple didn't want to didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► people to get into the habit of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► using touch as the primary interface to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► iOS in general so the overall you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► by overall usage of these devices they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► wanted the primary interface to remain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► touch and I don't want anybody like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► making apps that had a bunch of tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► touch targets and then they want people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► to be using pencil full-time but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► reality is that is not that is not also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► first of all like if people make after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► who cares if there's truly if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► truly not all people are doing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► what succeed the market will solve that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► problem that's that's such a bad reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► that i like to think that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► there but but here it's a thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► that is a modern Apple research so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► what I would like to c is for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► say that like why can't that debate ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► happened in public places like a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► debate where they passive-aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► do something don't tell you why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► complain and the reverse it and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► told you why they were going to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► the first place instead of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► news sites realize that it's the this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► the thing they write stories about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► and there's a public dialogue where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► Apple immediately says 10 guys you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► understand here's why we did this we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► it because we don't want people making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► an absolute touchstart well at least you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► could have a real debate about like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► merits of the issue as opposed to now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► where the debate happens entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► internally and it's just a one-sided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► thing where people complain outside and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► and maybe you're screaming into a void [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► did you convince them or maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► going to say it was an accident like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► get this whole black box thing we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► know another word we need to be privy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► everything that's going on there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► just think it would behoove everyone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► cooperation to speak openly with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► other to believe enough in each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► for Apple to tell us the real reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► they want to make a functional change in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► the OS and then we can talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► reasons why we think that's dumb or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► know like instead of just saying we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► tell this is a mistake or not but God if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► it is intentional please don't do it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► maybe Apple convince us maybe they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► a really good reason that we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► thought of right or maybe you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► reason has to do with unreleased product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► that we don't know about and they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► tell us i understand this is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► going to be a limited situation here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► just feel like it would be a healthier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► it would be healthier feedback loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► between customer and cooperation not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► that either one has entire rights to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► know what the other one thing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► time but that we need to get closer to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► relationship where people like Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► don't assume that app everything apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► because they're not gonna reveal the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► real reason why didn't I I just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► the PR statement was pretty clearly BS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► you just assuming it is but like because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► the reason sounds so dumb to you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► then you don't know what to think do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► think like are they being disingenuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► why would they hide especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► they've changed their mind when you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► out and say we were originally doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► reason x but now we're convinced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► will be the truth that the truth would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► be we have this reason people complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► we were convinced by their complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► that are reasons don't Trump their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► therefore we changed our mind like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► that's healthy that's a healthy dialogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► instead of if you know again if what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► instead of pretending that that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► really the case you know we always meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► to do this right assuming again assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► they're pretending it just seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► yeah I don't know at least this is fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► you know like ph.d it but whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► whenever people in our parts make big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► complaints about about a change apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► floating in a beta we always hear from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► people i always see people responding or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► is already trying to me if I'm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► critics like what do you like why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► complaining what Apple but the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► why they're doing it because it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► because at the end these things do tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► sometimes it works randomly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► worked every time it wouldn't be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► motivating to do it work never we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► never do it but it works enough for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► well i think you know if these kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► decisions these are probably debated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► inside apple right almost every almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► every decision that that like we get mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► about chances are people in apple were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► also mad about them and and they argued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► about them and so when when Outsiders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► pile onto the argument or draw attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► to the argument that helps that side in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► the app inside Apple win the argument or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► it helps change people's minds so it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► is very effective and and it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► you're gonna win every time because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► if you try to argue for something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► well you know what I'm tired of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► particular shouldn't be a preview like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5756">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► well you know you're not going to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5758">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► that that's unlikely keep arguing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► because someday like that will be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► title infinite time scale it will be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► the table and yes I got it well is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► know and other examples you can complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► about the file system for I don't know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► decade alright we feel better now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► and then you know maybe eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► they'll come around but but yeah now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► that means the function of the the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► press like I mean this is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► whether you know whether Apple admits it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► out of course it's always been happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► because i was made up of people and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► read tech press about themselves because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► you know that's the way it works and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► dissension within the company but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► end certain people are in charge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► certain people aren't and apples not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► democracy and neither is the press and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► neither is anything else but we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► trying to get as a healthier symbiosis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► where Apple's potential customers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► telling it what they would want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► apple it wants to give customers what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► they want but maybe not those customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► maybe they see other customers are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► currently talking to wear that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► know like again it's not it's not as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► customer should be in charge of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5817">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► as Apple's should be in charge of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► customers it's just the and its opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► up like I feel like the dialogue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► opening up more than used to be and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► we just have a ways to go yet do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► guys use the ipad pro Marco what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► told me in jar me into you and tiff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► oh she uses that uses mine and she uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► the pencil navigate bunch of stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► if i use the ipad pro or any ipad on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► regular basis i would certainly consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► doing the same thing because i like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► pencil a lot as an input device it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► really nice and that's all I mean it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► also targeting other people have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► about it being either more efficient or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► better for advanced work or better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► accessibility for certain people or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► feels better that the mic argument is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► exactly if I were an ipad user or if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► was the kind of person who likes writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► things with pens and pencils i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► certainly be using it all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► neither of those things apply to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► unfortunately so it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► really for me but I do respect a lot as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► a really nice input device i do wonder a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► little bit though like that in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► relationships that is part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► the old Apple would not do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► like this because it was seen as like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► sign of weakness like oh we weren't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► weren't right we were wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► something we need to change it but part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► of it is also that is legitimately like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► taking taking the the angry feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► users as a way to design your products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► is a formula for death like apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► doesn't do that for a good reason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► never want to like just listen to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► most enthusiastic users because you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► evolve your product in a way that caters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► more and more to like the the the expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► the super enthusiastic and you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► never you never get something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► enthusiast for like drawing pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► like OS 10 on a phone or something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► know I mean like apple doesn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► to its credit knows the trap of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► microsoft office on so many ways to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► adding features because your excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► features and you go to your experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5937">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► forever but for the ipad pro it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► of a sign that Apple realizes that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► this point the ipad pro history that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► fanatical group of users who really love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► the thing that's all they've got at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► point like they if they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► betray those people for some larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► market that they they don't have faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► that will materialize so they better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► listen to the most passionate ipad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► users because there aren't many ipad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► users presumably and it is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► high-end enthusiasts product like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► there's a hole that line of ipads for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► the rest of the world and phones the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► rest of the world but for the ipad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► now if you're gonna listen to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► about anything like that's where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► would do it on the other hand at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► ipad pro is burning up the sales chart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► and everybody was buying one and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► like taking over the mac and mac sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► are going down fifty percent and ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► pro sales we're gonna be like half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► iphone sales next year they would feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► confident to ignore those people and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► it's more important to go with our gut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► instinct of whatever their internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► reasoning is so in some ways it gives me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► a you know a view of how Apple sees the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► current state of the ipad pro market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► they're not in a position right now to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► just do what they want it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► despite the the house of enthusiasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► whereas on many other markets for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► example the iphone people howling to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► able to sideload apps Apple confidently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► ignored them as the sales graph for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► iphones when do you know up like a ski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► jump and that's that they were in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► position of strength there but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► yeah as much as it as much as it sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► for Apple to be like losing things as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► you know as much as it sucks for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► I like what comes out of them when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► have like a fire learn to them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► not in a dominant position when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► fighting really hard that tends to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► when the best stuff comes out of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► sorry low blow so much competition in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► that market that's a different topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► that's my honestly have you used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► that's my blu-ray top i know i know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► know i'm just saying I i also thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► there was so much competition that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► really good until i tried to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► well there is this lot of competition is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► not really good yeah that's that's fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► is that a fire little members just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► a tepid water dripping on their toes i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► don't know it's called fire but yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRr-hLc/6071">TS</a>]