00:00:00 ◼ ► I have not looked at the show notes by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► the way so whatever we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► going to be suppressed me your job you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► basically all you today so it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/7">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► all right we're going boy we sure got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/9">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► episode like a lot and this you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► last week's episode we were especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/20">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► particular their UI design it recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/25">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► especially things like the apple TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/29">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► the Photos app we have so many responses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► from that and they are split right down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► it was a very polarizing episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/38">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► about half of the comments said I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/40">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► believe you are still you're so negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► about Apple I'm getting so tired of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/46">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► i can I just can't listen anymore this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► is I just can't take it anymore I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► take the negativity and the other half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/52">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► was I am so happy you guys are finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► saying all this stuff for that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► drawing attention to this problem that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► also agree with or have or thank thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/62">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► goodness I'm so happy you you covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► this including people in apple but said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/67">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► they were very happy that we covered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/70">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► so I don't know what to think about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► did you actually count them I've meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► to count them as well because i felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/77">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► like it was definitely was it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/78">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► not lopsided one way or the other but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► perception of the feedback is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► like maybe I'm thinking am I weighing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/85">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► the ones that agree with me too much or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/87">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► am I weighing the ones that disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/89">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► because they feel bad too much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► sighs you know I should just count them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/92">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► but I of course i never got around to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► but I should go back and do that to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/95">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► visit my impression just based on feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/97">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► supporters than detractors but I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► know I could be wrong enough but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► it was definitely not a landslide in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/109">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► direction other and the end like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► feedback as each piece of feedback was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/114">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► very emphatic about whatever their point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► was you they really really loved it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► are like thank God for our that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► great episode or the best episode ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► ever or the exact opposite that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► worst ever i hate you all goodbye and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► yeah it's funny I didn't count either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/130">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► but I'm but my conclusion was nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/132">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► identical my conclusion was it was split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/134">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► really close to 50 50 I would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► say it was slightly more you guys need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/139">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► to stop whining and slightly less oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► thank goodness somebody's saying it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/145">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► it was near as makes no difference to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► 5050 and and I was I don't know is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► little bit sad to see so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► upset about it but by and large I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/156">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► polarizing like market said yeah I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► better about even even though the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/164">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► who didn't like me you like it you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► it like it like this you know everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► entitled to their opinion right but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/169">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► i really felt like a you know as we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► been talking about these various issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► episodes we've had that have touched on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► these topics i thought it was fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► constructive like that it wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► complaining for the same plan that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► were trying to figure out like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► you know describe the problem in detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► just like I did not like I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/187">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► good Apple TV it's bad like we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/189">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► reasons right and then and then trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► to dig and why those reasons there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/194">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► could they do differently like specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► and constructive right and and without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► any sort of their four apples doom stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and I can you know so i guess for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► people did the making it specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► instructive doesn't matter as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► like you know just taking too long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► her whatever anyway yeah you might try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► to change anyone's mind about what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/214">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► do or don't want to hear in a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► but for my part at least that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► always aiming for is if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► be talking about problems that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► having try to do it in a constructive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► try not to be mean-spirited not to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► carried away but to really get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► heart of the matter and try to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/231">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► figure it out imagine that it was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► problem to solve how would you solve it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► what is what is the way to fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► that's what that's what I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/238">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► thinking yeah great so I'm hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► we'll have some happier show's over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/241">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► next few but knowing us we'll see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► hurts and hopes but but speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► do we have any follow-up a couple items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► here this last episode as part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/252">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► general trend on the mac of simplifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► mac applications one of the quotes i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► threw out that i thought was I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/264">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► don't remember the designers now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/266">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► thought was the guy not the bang & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► that's what I think you thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/272">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► yeah I thought it was some designer many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/274">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► people point out to me after the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/275">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► that the quote i was calling about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► simple as possible but not simpler was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/278">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► attributed to albert einstein and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► this up on Wikipedia or not we could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► there wikiquote sorry sorry and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► actual quote as is often the case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► actual supposed quote that led to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/292">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► albert einstein and I guess here is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/297">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► can scarcely be denied the supreme goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/301">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► of all theories to make the irreducible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► basic elements as simple and as few as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► possible without having to surrender the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► adequate representation of a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► datum of experience that does not roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/311">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► off the tongue like it's more possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/313">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► and no simply write this was brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/314">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► theoretical physics the herbert spencer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► lecture delivered oxford intense 1933 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► alright so that is a real thing that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► said that was recorded that sounds a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► do you know if you if you simplify the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/327">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► sense it is much like what i said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► then the quote investigator com story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► talks about how the quote attributed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/333">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► Einstein may have arisen from that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/334">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► the variant is everything should be made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/338">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► as simple as possible no simpler and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► on and so forth so we'll put all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/341">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► links in like all these kind of quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► particular person it's hard to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► where they actually came from but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► sentiment rings true with enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► that this quote in this idea survives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/351">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► alright so tell me about photos crop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► aspect behavior series so a lot of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► complaints were focusing on the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► application which i use a lot in which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► still do like but their frustrations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/366">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► with the Apple product design in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/367">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► using photos as an example and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► one of my major complaint was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► dealing with the cropping photos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► reconstructing their aspect ratio and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► suggestions to make that easier inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► the application one of them is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/383">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► keyboard shortcut which if you hold down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► the shift key you can constrain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► proportion to the original proportions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► circuit with that is you have to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► down the shift key before you begin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/393">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► drag unlike a lot of other operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► and like graphics applications or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► know that you may be familiar with where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/399">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► you start save dragging a selection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► outline and photoshop and if you hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► various modifiers to constrain it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► can switch those modifiers in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/406">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► of the drag with this you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/407">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► holding down shift before you begin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► dragon you begin a drag than nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► shift makes any difference so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► going to know and there was a theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/415">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► that nobody offered in the feedback that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► literally nobody sent a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► selling various keyboard shortcuts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/423">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► nobody sent this idea and it is a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/425">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► to try to explain why photos every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► you go to edit an image and the crop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► thing you have to have the aspect menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and select original even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/435">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► what I want every single time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► setting aside the keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► why does it not remember that every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► I go to crop I want the aspect to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► remember like the last thing I used or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/446">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► have a preference or something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► you don't even need a perfect setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/449">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► just basically when i change that pop-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/450">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► menu leave it that way until I change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► again and my theory if I had to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► someone explain that default aside from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► them possibly just saying oh we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/458">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► got around to making that sticky would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► be that if you remember the last setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► used in applications trying to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► simple as fotos is someone go in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/466">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► and for you know how to make a square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► photo or something so they would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► know figured find the little aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► things like Square and resize their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/474">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► photo and crop it and be done and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/475">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► three days later come back and go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► crop a photo and just try dragging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► little outline and have it all the Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/482">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► snap to a square and they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► understand why is it why does it keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/485">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► snapping to ask where I don't want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► be a square or you know or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► thing i wanted i want to do freeform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► remember that like the settings don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► think it's broken or someone different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/496">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► will come to the program and not realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► that it is remembering last thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/499">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► resetting from zero every single time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/500">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► gives what they think is the sensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/501">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► unconstrained which I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/505">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► sensible default but in theory you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► argue that by remembering the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► you picked is making the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/511">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► appear broken to future people who may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► not know about the aspect menu or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► someone who picked it from the item last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► time do I don't think that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/518">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► reason to do it an application like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/519">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► photos because i think that is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/520">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► gearing the application to novices too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► much and that you should be realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► that everyone starts off as a novice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► if you use photos to your after year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/532">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► after year eventually you will learn a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► thing or two and become it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► expert at least proficient user and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► constant annoyance of having to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/539">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► that are having to hold down the shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/540">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► here having to do whatever overwhelms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► it's of my opinion is still the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► if I had to make the counter argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► against my opinion try to explain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► behavior of photos as it exists that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► explanation a lot of people get which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► think is not an explanation all i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/553">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► is obvious but we should have pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► out in the past so is that part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► simplification of these various mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► applications is to make them look and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/562">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► work more like their iOS counterparts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► was counterparts obviously have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► more simple necessarily because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► have to work on a phone screen in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/571">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► cases obviously you can't have giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/572">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► toolbar buttons you just have room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/575">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► anything you have to simplify right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► on the mac the whole point of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/580">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► discussion wasn't on the macbook same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/581">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► constraints don't hold so for the sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► of uniformity trying to say we just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/584">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► it look and work the same in both things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/585">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► then you just not treating the mac the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/587">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► way it should be treated it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/589">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► the advantage of the mac platform should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► be realized in the applications that run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► denominator is defined by phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/596">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► whatever but also like you know just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► the same way that like it was the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► thing for the phone and for the ipad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► not just have mac OS like shoved onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/603">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► them and and just pour it onto them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► straight in that same way having iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► things just shuts down to the mac is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► appropriate for the mac and we can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► at the last you know what five years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► Western releases like basically since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► lion as they have attempted to to shove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► iOS things onto the mac and most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/624">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► time it really flops it or it's just bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/627">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► I or at best mediocre there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/630">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► bunch of like the iOS application of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/633">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► magnitude been tempted and it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► just lands flat it just doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► feel right on the Mac just in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► way that the mac you I wouldn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/640">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► right on the phone that I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/641">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► worst one is where they they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► they have to have down like maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► down to the pixel but basically the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/647">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► glyphs the same icons the same sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► menus like when I see a mac application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► with like basically in ios7 style button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► that is really just plain text like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► doesn't fit in the back because the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► of the Mac isn't like that most Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/660">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► Capps and i like that on the mac buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► have little outlines and stuff they look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/663">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► like little capsules blah blah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/665">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► there is a design language for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► controls and experience on the market is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/669">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► different from the phone and so on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► application lands on the mac setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► aside the functionality and how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► designed her phone screen they'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► change the surface part of it to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► when act weird and it doesn't fit in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► so the photo suffers from all that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► massively simplified lots of stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► hidden many things are constrained like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/688">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► a little pop-up thing with the sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► that we talked about this just way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/691">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► small for no reason that the icons or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► sometimes identical to the ones on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► phone and I think they're trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► a family resemblance but they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► the there has never been in ios7 style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► revolution in the mac you I Yosemite was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► as close as they came with flat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► stuff out and took away a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► gloss and everything but it is by no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/709">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► means like iOS 7 was on the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► the ipad where it radically changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/714">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► the look and feel and the way you design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► applications right before we get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► photos one last item is a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► suggested keyboard shortcuts i know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/723">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► lot of these I looked him up and help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► one of the issues that I've complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► emphasized last time as well is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/729">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► photos likes to ignore my keystrokes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► keystrokes land but if I had a penny for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► every time I hit the spacebar nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/737">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► happened in photos i would have be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► to buy a nice meal because it like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/741">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► so the same thing for like rotating or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/743">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► you know hitting enter to edit or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/745">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► know command keys usually have a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/748">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► percentage like man harder to rotate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/749">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► bird seed crop and stuff like that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► don't know where those keystrokes go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► I know if there's a responder chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/755">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► thing falling down and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/756">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► it's just like super mightily delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► sometimes I will just say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/763">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► I'm not going to do it again maybe did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/764">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► register just wait and Eleni after 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► seconds you like note that space bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/767">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► keyboard shortcuts are not personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► not a solution for most people using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/775">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► application because most people never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► shortcuts but even for me know some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► them the keyboard shortcuts become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/780">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► unreliable as well every time i get i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► you know a drop aspect original with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► it's just tedious that's why I end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► the temperature of the keystrokes if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► three-count another happens then I end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► up going to the mouse anyway right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► apologized because I don't know who sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/797">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► headphone dongle concept which was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► by sean nelson this is on partly Sean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/805">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► dot-com and I'm glad that one of you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► this in the show notes because I meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/810">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► to and I completely forgot this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► actually a really interesting idea so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► the the general premise here is hey if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/814">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► the iphone 7 really does give up the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/817">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► then what would Apple do to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/822">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► bridge the gap between the the phone not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► having a headphone jack and all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► having these for these headphones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► are probably not bluetooth and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► shawn nelson person did a prototype a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/835">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► concept of hey here's how Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/841">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► fix us what it is is a circular park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► that has a headphone port like you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/846">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► find on the iphone success on one side a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► lightning port on the other for charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► and it will convert any headphones into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/855">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► bluetooth headphones it doesn't appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► to have any buttons as far as i can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► it does have a little clip on it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/862">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► this is a really really clever idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► I really think that this is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► good way to bridge that gap but what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/870">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► interesting that it takes the idea take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► the approach of you know putting it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► the phone end of the cable and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► you plug your headphones into this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► they still have their flow cables as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/883">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► discussed as I brought up a couple weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► you can't really put on the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► end of the cable because there really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/890">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► no standard size or shape cable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► would fit a large number of headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► that would go on that end because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► all have just these different shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/899">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► plastic surround and everything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/900">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► anyway it is smart to put it on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► into the cable I will also say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/904">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► these devices already exists you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► can go on Amazon you can get things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► unattractive and would have apple logos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/910">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► those are those will be new here but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► can get these things already like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► can go and get him for probably 30 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► left any end of any audio setup to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► from bluetooth they're very common and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► some of them even work so it it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► is a weekend we can try this today we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► can see we're already what this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/937">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► today as long as you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► it is a good idea for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► however first of all having a cable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► dangles into your clothing but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► doesn't look into your phone like its it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► kind of seems like another really worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► having that cable it seems kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/952">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► clunky but i don't know i mean i-i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► suppose it's better than having to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/956">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► all new headphones but I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/957">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► seems like a lot of complexity to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► this problem if you're going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► wire that goes down into your clothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/967">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► why not just have a a wiring adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/971">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► that can plug directly into the alleged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/974">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► compatible of the alleged new headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► jack atlas iphone 7 you covered all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► ones i was gonna make which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/984">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► these things exist already and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► weird to have a wire where you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► wire like especially if you have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/989">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► phone in your pocket and then this wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► with a dongle is also in your pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/992">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► there like right you have this wire to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/993">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► somewhere and you know you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► a dining hanging from your swinging back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/998">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► and forth as you walk so you'll probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► stick it in the pocket but the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► can think of why I Apple might find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► solution attractive is that the wired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► after keeping a one-way one-way is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► if the passive lightning to headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► adapter that we've been surmising might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► be possible is not possible then this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► probably better than trying to make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► adapter with a chip in it like try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► make an appt reactive adapter it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► a polite than trying to make an active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► adapter probably but even if the passive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► thing does work the passive thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► don't know if you can sell the passive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► thing for thirty bucks maybe Apple can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► but what is Apple can sell this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► money that this little battery bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► container thing it's what Apple is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► at making very small simple things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► don't really have like an on/off switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► or any complicated you know but inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► are very very precise and it uses all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► their expertise in terms of making very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► small chips and batteries and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► good stuff and they can sell to you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► and it does seem like a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► elegant solution because then your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► phone could be in one pocket this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► community out there and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► I can see them selling it as a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► advanced version of a wiring adapter so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► and this design looks like every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► you see like a prototype of looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► the little watch it after basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► little circular thing we can have a logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► on it a little think they'll put a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► Apple look like that on it but who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► it looks like an apple product looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► like an apple product they could sell as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► ridiculous as it may be especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► put a clip on the back of it like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► guy's got a clip to his pants waist band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► or something that is not a good look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► well i don't know i think it means it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► any worse than clipping an ipod shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► yes it looks plausible to me as an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► project i think they can sell it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► more money so especially if they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► do a passive adapter i think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► reasonable option the battle might want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► to consider and as you pointed out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► apple doesn't do it is a million third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► party ones that are already making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► they're going to be excited by an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► with no headphone jacks right now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► have a new audience to advertise to hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► just get one of those new phones by our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► little square dongle we've been selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► for five years yet another thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► gotta charge and spend 30 books and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► charges through the charges through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► yeah I don't know it's that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► like this is too clunky of a solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► like I I feel like Apple solutions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► going to be either by new headphones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► use this passive wire adapter and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► sure that the path of our adapter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► no I mean but if that rumor so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► true that they were going to have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► thing it's already possible today if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► put some smarts in the adapter you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► do it on today's lightning port with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► some circuitry and some smarts there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► we already know such thing as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► it would be better if it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► passive and if the phone could sense it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► through a new revision of the port and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► agree but i'm just i'm not sure i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► sure how Apple would prioritize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► like it's really important to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► we can have passive adapters or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► going to say you know just deal with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► and getting headphones everybody get new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► headphones in three years you don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► yes so when we go in tailgate which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► we've spoken about on the show in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► past I have a TK boom box which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► speaker thing and it doesn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► bluetooth support on it and so years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► i got this absolutely terrible like $13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► blue to AGP tech bluetooth adapter i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► put a link in the show notes even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► i don't think it's available anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► it is a total piece of crap but it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► perfectly and so it's like the build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► quality is terrible it's very chancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► looking so think of like a USB key that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► has a headphone jack on the outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► it and no plugs into a USB on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► side so what i do is i plug this into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► USB port that is on the speaker on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► TK boombox and this receives bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► headphone cable from this bluetooth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► headphone cable goes from there to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► boombox and suddenly this boom box that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► has no bluetooth support has bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► supports this is the other direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► then what we're talking about but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► your point earlier Marco you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► either way with this and it was $13 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► I mean it is a piece of crap that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► working perfectly for three years so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► guess is it really that crappy ask hall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► but yeah it works well in and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► you'd be surprised what you can do for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1260">TS</a>]
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00:21:04 ◼ ► your pets on this is invisible wire some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► of the Prancing like like we're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1266">TS</a>]
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00:21:10 ◼ ► little wire with a dongle that you stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► in your pocket clip on your pants like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► three inches away from your phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► like there are still some advantages for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► that absurd scenario mostly is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► when you want to take out your phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► do something there's not a wire attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► to it i mean i guess probably people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► you know we used to listening on wired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► headphones are good at taking out their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► phone to send a quick text or see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► something or whatever without wrangling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► the wire but it is i think i keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► thinking of it as a as a luxurious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► features like that the fact that the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► are connected anymore they are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► connected with an invisible wire even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► though there's a stupid real wire still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► in play because again you're using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► old headphones and they don't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► this new phone it is still a slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► more luxurious experience to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► take out your phone without a wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► do it invisible wires are better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► wires in general manager you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► other wires entirely which I'm apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► will surely sell your blues headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► to do that but if you can't because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► want to use your old headphones for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► whatever reason a dongle like this as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► ridiculous as it seems i think it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► actually have offer some material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► advantages to the point where i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► thinking like maybe i would go is my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► problem is like when I'm walking from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► the parking garage to work very often my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► headphone cord gets caught him like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► door handle going through like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► garage doors are up in the stairwells at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► work or whatever and ends up yanking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► headphones either out of my ears are out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► I would like it if i could i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► bluetooth headphones right yeah just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► bluetooth headphones yeah I i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► earbuds that I don't want to look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► girl with the big thing coming out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► ear with that anyway they have smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► things that you look get the sennheiser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► and I'm 400ex it is really basic it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► like 750 bucks as their buds it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► everybody know it's it's it's the it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► it's the new version I i use for my for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► any kind of walking and often even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► travel purposes i bring my the president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► which is the sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► which is long since discontinued but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1379">TS</a>]
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00:23:04 ◼ ► thing but with a microphone and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► can make phone calls on it and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► sound like complete garbage for music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► purposes but for podcasts they're great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► because they have actual hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► buttons on the side so there is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1394">TS</a>]
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00:23:22 ◼ ► big for that but there otherwise they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1402">TS</a>]
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00:23:29 ◼ ► batteries and it did they have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► amazingly useful buttons actual buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► like not just like a capacitive touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► pad which is infuriating not some little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► tiny switches you can operate them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► gloves on in the winter because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► buttons are nice and big and they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► it's i listen to sai listen to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► exclusively when I'm when I'm walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► with my uncle always listen to podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► some call it doesn't matter and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► so much better than anything else I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► ever tried for for portable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► I like my earbuds with my little clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► on the wire that's another where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► clicker go if I didn't have a wire like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► I'm goes to the earcup I just know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► going down where it is anyway the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► is i think i would actually find this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► vaguely useful if it existed so much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► that maybe i should just buy one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► those ones is already an amazon and give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► it a try but maybe I'll just hold out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► see if Apple because one for twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► bucks will have a bluetooth earbuds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► maybe that will solve my problems if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► you'd like to not spend two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► dollars on a set up bluetooth headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► my beloved Arctic PP 311 that I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► for like four years are still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► strong i use them for music i use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► for podcast they will not make Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► happy I'm sure from an audio files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► perspective they are terrible but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► don't have hyper-intense requirements if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► you're not mark warm and they're like 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► bucks and might have been going strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► for years now that i think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► bluetooth earbuds wouldn't help because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► again wherever the clicker be I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► got new so I think the ipod shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1493">TS</a>]
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00:25:01 ◼ ► buttons are right there it's it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► it's easier and more reliable than using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► the clicker headphones us too much i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1504">TS</a>]
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00:25:14 ◼ ► buttons already 30 just saying anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1514">TS</a>]
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00:27:19 ◼ ► my old job on monday for a few hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► spent the remainder of last week just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► kind of relaxing and taking a break and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► then on monday i started a new job as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► iOS developer which is completely scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► and completely awesome to recap in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► you're unfamiliar with my professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► consulting firm doing got that stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► between three and a half years and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► four years and I did like it but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► heart wasn't really in not anymore i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► really do love c-sharp hand on heart i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► love c-sharp I think csharp is great i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► really do love visual studio I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► visual studio is great but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► around hat i just couldn't care less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► like it just didn't do anything for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► and when i was hired at this look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► this job i was told hey you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► gonna be our iOS guy and I was the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► guy which is good but the problem was we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► only ever landed one bit of iOS work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► as when it's a consulting firm you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► typically have the luxury of working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► what you want to work on you work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► and that means a client will tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► company we will give you money to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► on this thing and the company tells the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► consultants you know to the company my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► ok it's time to work on this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► it just so happened that the only time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► ever did and iOS app was several years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► ago when I didn't ipad app and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► for all the wrong reasons and executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► decided we should be in the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► even though this we don't really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► anything useful to offer and so we built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► an app to put in the app store anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► necessarily but I had been terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► happy and I just was trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► out you know what I do and it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► especially when you're consulting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► it's hard in general I mean I kinda know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► how to write code for iOS UI I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► objective-c reasonably well for someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► who doesn't do it professionally I sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► of kind of ish no Swift hey so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► hard thing to sell any employer on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► teaching you how to do this stuff on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► job unless the employers for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► incentivized for you to learn this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► consulting firm had gotten a contract to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► iOS work and suddenly my employer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► incentivize for me to learn on the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► but it's pretty hard for them to sell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► as a supposed expert when I'm not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► an expert and typically when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► going to a consulting firm you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► looking for experts so it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► clear to me that was really a workout if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► I really really really wanted to pivot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► consulting firm and so a friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► a mutual friend between mark and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► friend named Jamie he had just gone to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► local company here in town that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► bread and butter is not iOS but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► have their own iOS app that is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► their product offering and he had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► saying hey you should come join me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► come join me to come join me and finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► I was like you know what I should come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► join you and so I interviewed and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► the job I was very plain about what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► not know about iOS but what school was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► stay you seem like you're pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► good engineer one of our engineers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► saying you're a pretty good engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► sorry doctoring and so we have faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► that whatever you don't know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► pick up so let's do this and I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► this past Monday and I'm really gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► into too much code yet but so far so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► good and it is blowing my mind that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► things that we talked about here and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► things that I've been pumping into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► ears by way of Marcos other show and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► way of yellow corn tuition in by way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► mobile couch and in so many of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► suddenly this stuff that I've just long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► I'm now doing and its really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► exciting and I'm petrified because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► used to it also pretty darn good on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► developer not the best but pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► good and I wasn't often scared by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► day-to-day job and now i am not a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► darn good iOS developer i'm i'm at worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► a rocky and it best in intermediate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► level iOS developer and so I'm reaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► on this and then that's really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► scary but i found that that's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► way to force myself to learn is to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► straight into the deep end and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► learn how to swim so I'm excited I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► excited just selfishly because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► what I've been wanting to do for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► time i'm excited for the show because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► think even though we don't get that deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► into the developer topics that often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► it'll be nice to have someone else who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► does this sort of thing for a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► other the marco and I'm just excited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► learn something new because I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► doing the same stuff for a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► last really new thing i learned if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► dabbling with maybe a year ago was when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► i taught myself node for for my blog and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► that was in 2014 so it's about time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► me to to get scared and learn something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► new so i don't know if you guys have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► questions about that if not we can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► don't have my first question David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► I've not seen one yet I have not seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► anyway but if you have any questions I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► happy to feel them otherwise we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1978">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► move right along to talk about the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► objective-c and you know the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► ID and all that stuff whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► setting that aside like getting back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► the doing consulting work versus doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► no I think you covered this in your blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► post like the idea of the consulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► work is sometimes you get a crappy job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► but the job ends and sometimes you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► good job that job ends too but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► product work I imagine you know without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► going into details of what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► product you're making your kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► it's conceivable that you could get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► be in iOS developer dedicated to working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► on a product that does nothing for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► the product is like dominoes developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► and i'm working on a product but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► care about this product at all i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► have any passion for this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► I don't you know and the customers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► use this product not really into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► product and then how could I do my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► never gonna really appreciate it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► it's like you know an industrial machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► control thing or something where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► just not you know I mean and that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► you would be using new technology you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► be learning things you could technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► be an iOS developer but i'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► it's like imagine if like your worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► consulting gig just never end never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► ended so is as part of your decision to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► go to the specific company the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► would like would you care what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► practice really like is it isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► better that it is a product that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► like work on incremental make better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► year over year over year even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► boring product or do you also kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► needed to be a product that interests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► you more than like you're at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► interesting consulting gig you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► a very fair question i think i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► reach back just a half step and explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► that I've been doing some flavor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► consulting since roughly 2006 it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► about a decade now the first couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► years from 06 28 i was doing government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► consulting i was working for a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► literally the only people that bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► that product was the US government so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► really what ended up happening was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► government said hey we want this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► feature and we said okay we'll do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► and so is basically consulting after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► that it was just a regular no no aster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► risks honest business consultants and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► from my weight on and i found that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► have definitely been some projects where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► the client was awesome and the project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► was a lot of fun and eventually what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► ends up happening is as you described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► John the client either can stand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► their own two feet so to speak or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► feel like that that product is complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► enough for now and then they say alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► thanks for your time we'll see you later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► and that's a total bummer because here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► something that you really invested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► the kind of consulting i was doing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► project-based so it was myself in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► bunch of my co-workers at the consulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► firm would swoop in do a project and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► swooped out it and of course we would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► working alongside the client but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► overwhelming majority of the work was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► done by the people at my consulting firm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► consultants who is just an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► contributor it's and this is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► staff of thing came in a couple months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► back and so typically the project is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► consulting you know you build this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► project with you people with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► friends at work and then it's like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► thanks and then you leave and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► and even though it's nice to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► you have it that that each project is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► subject to some degree a ticking time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► bomb because eventually it will go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► it's nice to think about I i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► wanted to try walking on the grass on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► the other side of the fence and I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► to see is is a product company really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► what I wanted and really what I want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► let me give you a really weird the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► concrete example of why I wanted this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► i believe it's my first day it was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► first day that the new job and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► actually had this like all hands meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► off site which was just pure completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► different portion of richmond at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► all hands and then we needed to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► back to the office afterwards and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► were traveling from the All Hands i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► at a hotel to the office and I got stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► this Lite that typically will take two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► or three cycles for me to get through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► particular time of day was around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► lunchtime and this is right by a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► of other business right by a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► businesses and a bunch of eateries so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► everyone's going to or coming back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► lunch and as I'm sitting at this light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► I'm thinking to myself oh my god this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► taking so long i got this taking so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► i have to make up this time because oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► god I'm sitting here for like 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► and it's one thing if you set it alight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► for like a minute you can just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► flubbed that and you know whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► client is going to care if you build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► them for one minute where you weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► this is like 10 minutes and i'm really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► can't build a client for this 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► and so I'm now I have to stay at work 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► minutes later than I plant a wait wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► don't have a timesheet anymore but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► oh my god i don't have to give a shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► this takes an hour because i don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► to answer to anyone anymore what not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► literally of course we don't mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► is magnificent and it's just stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► I'm just kind of I was ready to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► break from consulting and who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► maybe in a year or two maybe I'll 1099 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► and i'll just go in if you're not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► independent consultant and maybe i'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► back to a consulting firm who knows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► for right now all my god it was magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► not to have to stress about sitting in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► stupid light for 10 minutes and to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► back around to Jon's question a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► more concretely i'm really really amped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► to work on a product period but i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► with you John that if the product was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► something like industrial control system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► it was not likely to keep my attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► now with that said I I don't intend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► share what my employer who my employer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► I don't know it's just I'd prefer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► keep that that world separate but i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► say that the particular thing that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► although it is not for me it is for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► general audience and depending on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► lens you use to look at it I genuinely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► think it's it's helping people and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► think that's pretty cool being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► help people and make a difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► people's lives a small difference but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► difference in the last and so because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► that I in granted i'm still in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► honeymoon period but i'm very hopeful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► that I'm really really going to enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► working on this and additionally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► particular company i'm working for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► iOS app that i'll be working on it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► it's okay but isn't great but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► important thing is the company knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► that it isn't great and they're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► to fix it and so I'm getting in on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► ground floor and being able to influence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► some of those changes in so far as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► help make architectural decisions you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► know not as much like oh we should use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► cocoapods vs I'm god what's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► one I'm drawing a blank doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► who cares it does he have to go copepods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► first Carthage i believe it is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► be in charge of all the most boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► decisions on the software projects right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► yeah well very exactly is gonna be our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► whoa but you know what i mean like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► architectural decisions I can work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► my friend Jamie who is is pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► lead architect I could work with him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► we have a good rapport because we worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► together in the past and say hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► really like this like that we should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► that direction or you know this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► doesn't feel right and and in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► being a little bit ignorant as to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► iOS development works is kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► advantage for these sorts of discussions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► because i don't have that the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► knowledge to influence or perhaps taint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► what I think about these decisions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► so I'm really really amped to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► something and work on something for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► long time which is something which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► not what I've been doing for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► nearly decade does that answer your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► question or did I completely flubbed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► yeah take care what I hadn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► thought about the whole time she think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► it shows how much consulting have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► none but yeah that's gotta be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► upgrade and in lifestyle um I got I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► feel I've done product work and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► fashion or another of my entire career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► and it for the most part is better even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► I could even working on a product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► you're not actually interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► idea of the aforementioned and often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► maligned industrial control software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► everything can be interesting i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► that the dark side of product work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► like like that both the best and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► worst thing that could ever happen to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► project you're working on his agency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► become very popular and very important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► to the company and a huge moneymaker you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► think it's not all upside no because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► that means the product will live for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► long time and we'll have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► customers and any change to it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► consequential and if you worked there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► for five years you will it work you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► if you come five years after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► happened you will be inheriting a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► possibly disgusting-looking codebase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► that nevertheless be treated as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► yep child and can't be messed with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► if you were there from the beginning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► will have created five years worth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► paint yourself into a corner and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► dumb decisions that you come to regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2518">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► and now have this giant you know Jenga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► style tower that's a it's teetering but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► nevertheless the entire company is built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► on and you're both responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► having made it this way back when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► were younger less-experienced you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► past he was always the worst enemy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► every programmer and you don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► option to say well you know unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► change a different company wanted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► different project now let's go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► different products like no this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► of the company but uh that is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► the joys and sorrows of product work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► you are far from that now especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► you are if they have an app now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► know it's bad so you're kind of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► to go in there and clean up just a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► to keep five years from now Casey in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► mind when you're doing you're gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► the idea and where were like I said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► re architecting everything and were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► trying to make intelligent decisions as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► sustainable so that it's testable which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► i know is marcos favorite thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► I test all over my everything yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► totally cover exalt my builders can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► he's I think he's going to get testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► he's gonna be like you know what testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► is actually useful way to something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► I don't know what's gonna happen but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► could happen conceivably oh I i was love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► if I already had testing know as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► weight as a way to development like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► you know rather than you like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► right lines of code you want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► those lines go do the thing you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► to do like not entirely test-driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► development just getting enough of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► into video doesn't matter if no one else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► like it doesn't it doesn't even matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► it's just the way I write code from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► on it is i think everyone can benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► from testing and I feel like you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► make that you'll turn that corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► eventually we're just waiting for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► happen give an infinite time everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► could benefit from testing oh here we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► now you'll be dead that's what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► with that but it's conceivable I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► oh yeah I don't think testing is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► yeah I think that's probably fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► summary anything else on the a new job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► any other questions are yes the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► thing that you should point out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► there was confusion about it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► to bring up as another point is that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► lot of people think like hey I left my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► my job or I had that work in his big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► corporation like a dilbert or wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► and now i'm going indie but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► you know don't quite know what indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► means of it in the market knows but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► these meetings because he's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► been that for a very long time now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► India's means like you're gonna stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► well it depends it's kinda like indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► rock it's kinda get is sending them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► retired indie rocker independent movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► like the look of that term especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► independent movies like started to warp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► as like small independent movies would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► nevertheless be bankrolled by big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► studios on a development but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► definition of indy for software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► basically that you write software for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► it's been money to a little bit by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► fact that if all your paychecks come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► incorporated at the bottom of it are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► really in d you still kinda handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► definition was like yeah even if every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► one of your paychecks designed by Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► you're still indeed because you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► decide everything about the product you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► own the product you just are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► outsourcing your distribution and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► entire relationship with your customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► many other things to apple but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► still in DC but the bottom line is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► and also what comes with it is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► you run the show you make the decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► and you're not running a hundred person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► company like is you know are the heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► of all the omni group indie no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► really i've got a company we've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► mac software company in iOS software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► company that a lot of people work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► probably two or three maybe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► essentially you are your own boss or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► something very close to it and so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► that case if you worked on a project for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► a long time and you kind of got sick of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► it even if it was selling well because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► you're indeed you could say you know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► going to something else now as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► the next thing you do also sells well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► long as you have some sort of transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► plan for supporting the other one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► maybe you sell it to somebody like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► that's fine you can do that whereas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► you're in a company especially if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2758">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► like a public company with shareholders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► and everything is scaled up and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► different product now this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► perfectly fine its profitable but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► kinda bored of it that doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► so this is something that the group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► called an arc along time ago the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► capital T capital L i think it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► reference to bring Simmons from stopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► he probably sort of in the the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► Internet age sort of made the time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► Apple is on an upswing there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► resurgent in the old ideas the ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► exist for a long time but it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► resurgent and the popularization of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► idea thanks to the internet and blogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► that if you're a computer programmer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► like the apple stuff you could make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► pretty good living for yourself by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► writing programs that other people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► use apple stuff would buy from you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► they would give you money and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► give them software and if you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► enough of them to do that through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► magic of software like it's not any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► application 200 people versus a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► verses potentially a million because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► it's our bits and you copy them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► don't have to manufacture them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► there's no incremental cost him you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► all the wonderful things about software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► that you can do a certain amount of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► and the amount of work that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► do does not scale with a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► customers you do the work and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► ten people buy you the same amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► work is it as if 20 or 30-year hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► and so people can make really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► livings selling software they were their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► they got to do something good they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► satisfaction of that and out of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► it was you know that's the life he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► referring to iOS gave a different view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► of that but at this point I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► ecosystem would agree that is slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► harder to live the life it is slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► harder to being independent software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► developer who makes the they're living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► doing that if only because the market is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► so much more crowd we talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► maybe this podcast maybe the ones nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► distant past of like if you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► something that is really fun and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► of other people want to do it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► that's going to drive down the value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► the thing you're doing a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► students want to make an iOS application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► for fun and give it away for free or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► close to free and you say well but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► got to feed my family I can't afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► give away you know like like the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► of what you're doing is being driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► down because there are more people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► the market so it makes it harder for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► regular person who wants a family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► in healthcare and everything to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► to make a living as an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► software developers not getting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► professional athlete were so small now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► can do it but it's getting more to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► point where it's like a regular job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► where it's not like if you're a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► programmer and you find a market needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► application you're good to go for 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► years you can just keep selling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► revising an application for 20 years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► you'll have a healthy lifestyle like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► those days are past because the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► is just you know too crowded but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► question for Casey about his new job is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► maybe you didn't think about that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► because you're like I don't know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► about iOS development but my question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► does that still appeal to you as sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► the real polar opposite grass is greener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► on the other side of the fence from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► going from the consulting world-building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► world where you have to go where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► tell you you have to track your hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► here you know different clients are your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► masters at various times and the far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► past its side is marcos life where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► call the shots you decide what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► going to make and you build it your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► on your schedule in your time and find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► way to make that a viable living that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► ever that this does that still ppl i try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► to find a way to make it a viable living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► I make things my way I call the shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► but then the market decides whether to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► pay me or not yeah but like you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► know if for the most part you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► successful doing that like I said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► not an easy thing to do like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► like you're going to know how many how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► many people do you know who are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► living in the indie life of my question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► honestly I'm not even sure I am anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► that's fine you don't ok I I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► you mean but I think ab store economics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► are such that it is very very hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► that anymore and and i think the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► shrinking for sure but I'm not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► know overcast is not making as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► instapaper did and and the trend lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► for these things are generally downward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► and overcast is making you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► overcast numbers are going up very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► slowly now with batrix but it's making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► still making less than what did before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► the pic model which that was less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► 12 paper made so you know overall this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► yeah i think john your I understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► ivy and there's there's a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► things to unpack here first of all I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► was easy for me to tell who didn't did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► not read my entire blog post because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► those who did read the blog post it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► abundantly obvious that i am still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► figuratively speaking of course but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► those who didn't read the blog post or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► perhaps only right above the fold were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► what's that was kind of funny but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► certainly have thought quite a bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► going completely independent and to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► that means one of two things it either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► means what you described John and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► Marco is trying to endure succeeding at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► doing i'll let you be the judge of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► I'm or it means i am consulting but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► as part of a consulting firm but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► as an independent consultant and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► if you're in the united states often for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► just any nining there's many other ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► you can refer to it but that means as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► single person i am going and helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► with something and I am my own boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► I am my own sales person i am my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► employee i am everything soup to nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► and so what may happen if I wonder if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► were to make a guess I think one of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► I'll stay at my current job for quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► long time or I will be here for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► and so I really get to know iOS and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► maybe all try to split my time between a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► handful of of clients and those clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► might be say Marco an underscore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► or maybe all come up with that brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► idea to make that impossibly great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► update too fast texter you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► whatever comes after fast text but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► don't think today I'm in a position that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► I would be comfortable being completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► independent as much as I think it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► be fun and as much as I'd love to try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► I don't think I'm comfortable doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► today I'm the only breadwinner for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► family and granted I'm diversified a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► insofar as i have podcast income as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► I really want to continue to have health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► insurance that my employer helps me pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► for and the thing that I really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► do like I said earlier I kind of know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► how to do but i don't really know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► do and the best way to learn how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► really do it is to just freakin do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and it's much easier as i discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► earlier to be a part of a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► company who knows what they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► into when they hired you and knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► it's easier to to learn on that job then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► it is to to try to position yourself as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► a expert consultants but not really be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► an expert in it so for now I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► happy with the move again i'm in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► honeymoon period you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► certainly bad parts to this company like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► there are any company but so far all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► bad parts seem super manageable and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► the good parts seem awesome so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► really enthusiastic they are you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► about considering you know the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► 1099 independent consulting only because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► it is a thing that you know assume you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► talked about c-sharp type consulting or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► mine no no no i meant I meant what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► mean it could be sharp but I what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► saying like if you were to do it now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► like it would be very difficult for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► to be an iOS consultant person you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► have a lot of relevant experience but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► you could consult on the same exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► previous company and to to me that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► like the worst of both worlds are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► doing you have to be consultant you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► to work at a tech that maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► like Arizona is interesting to you as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► iOS and you have to do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► yourself and it's like like all the all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► the downsides of being independent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► none of the upsides of getting to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► what you want to make you know man yep i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► completely agree with you and plus i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► salesperson soho I don't think I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► be good at like you know pounding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► pavement or whatever turns phrase you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► want to use and trying to drum up work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► for myself I mean I feel like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► could shill for myself on the podcast be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► like hey guys if you want to see HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► person just let me know but I'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► not do that and it's just it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► those sorts of things that you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► described are not things that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► interested in and not things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► that and just like you said I don't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► things that I'm good at like C sharp and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► that sort of thing I don't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► want to keep doing so you're exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► right to go completely independent today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► I would probably be backed into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► corner of doing all the things i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► really want to do and so I'd much rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► have the steady and reliable paycheck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► and the help on health insurance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► comes from working for a quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► the man and and then we'll reevaluate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► a couple years and see where things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► stand then but like you I think I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► speak for you John i am extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► risk-adverse is that one other servers i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► always get the i was getting wrong sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► I'm extremely risk averse and I'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► have some of that risk consumed my by my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► employer then have to shoulder myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► internet and perhaps marcos saying well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► your employer could fire you at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► second they could fold tomorrow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► never really really know and yes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► you know better were certain different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► is that this is less risky than going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► completely independent today you're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► least outsourcing many of the jobs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► know you're outsourcing many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► risks and and much of the work by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► working for somebody else and I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► say you know that you're totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► and pretty what I would say that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► know any job you could lose at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► moment it you just kind of lose control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► when you're working for somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► but the fact is if you go to work for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► already established company that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► already has multiple employees and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► your salary is not where understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► their budget is going you know then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► you know certainly it it makes it less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► likely that they would fail on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► market in a way to it that would affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► you or things like that like compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► just you going on your own and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► make one app and and see it trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► see that one succeed you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► the company that you're going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► for has already released that one app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► and they it's already doing well enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► to hire people and keep paying the bills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► oh hopefully you know so so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► certainly you do reduce and outsource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► some of those risks i working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► somebody else when additionally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► additionally you know I didn't leave my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► old job with my middle fingers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► air you know I left my old job in such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► if things fell through with this 1i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► pretty sure i could go back without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► having to put my tail too far between my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► legs and I pretty sure every job of left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► I could say the same for and plus is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► time goes on you know some of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► I worked with two or three jobs ago are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► now at other jobs where I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► worked and so I could go work with old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► friends again at the new places they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► not working out which actually if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► think about it is exactly what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► yeah Jamie where Jamie and I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► yay we still kept in touch for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► time and and it ended up that this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► came circling back around I kinda hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► myself became we circle back to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► other and now we're working together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► yep emulator all over the parking lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► yeah exactly so you know it for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► who are not independent which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► the overwhelming majority of us if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► you also have that option so even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► this all fizzled tomorrow I would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► have the option of going back to the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► job or working with some of my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► coworkers from years ago and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► hey I'm still disappointed that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► didn't take take us up on the offer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► have me John an underscore go into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► that would've been hysterical but now i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► don't think that would have been a wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► probably not but it would've been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► fun for us at least I think you made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► right choice for yourself the hook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► yes but it would have been enjoyable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► man that would've been a really great a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► youtube video for there's nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► we are happy to burn anyone's bridges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► that they need burned for that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► yeah that's something I mean oh I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► I certainly had a list of grievances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► employer on the way out the door and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► do I think they knew some of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► that that made me unhappy like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► that I wasn't doing iOS and so what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► told him I was leaving they were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► little surprised and a little bummed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► one that I said I was leaving to iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► work they're like oh okay that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► sense so so I I i feel like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► there's no good come in my perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► I quit and by the way let me tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► all the reasons why you guys are a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► yeah there's no good comes to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► because in so everyone is a jerk in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► their own way and I'm a jerk in my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► way and so you know we can all be charts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► together and that's okay well plus like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► suppose you do go back to your old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► company say in two years you are now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► two-year experienced iOS developer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► they didn't have to pay you for training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► in the meantime and now they can charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► yeah that's actually extremely true yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► so I'm we'll see how it goes i'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► excited I'm really scared and I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► I'm really anxious to see what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► interesting here is because most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► c-sharp stuff i was writing it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► client-side c-sharp way way back when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► first started writing and in c-sharp but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► client-side programming in JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► and I'm not going to get into that holy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► war but suffice to say i haven't done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► real honest-to-goodness client-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► additionally i'm really looking forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► to some of the engineering challenges of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► working on a mobile device that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► haven't had to worry about a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► you know like the the processors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► getting faster and faster and stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► and stronger but you know can cycles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► not free and more importantly network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► traffic is not free and you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► over even after having been there only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► couple days there's a couple of choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► that have been made in the app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► understandable reasons that I'm that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► thinking to myself oh em that probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► shouldn't be the way we do things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► then I'm not the first one to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► conclusion there you know it's a known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► issue but it's some of those engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► challenges that you don't have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► about that often anymore even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► probably should but you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► worrying about again even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► gonna be a complete pain in the took us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► just let me know when you get far enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► into your Swift stuff that we can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► proposals on the podcasting and board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► alright sounds great it's not the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► that Erica Satan's evans at forgive me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► don't pronounce your last name but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► just been a blog post about that like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► week ago maybe a few days ago maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► she's on the list shape the blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► about its with evolution learn about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► future of the language just learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► exactly can tell what you're learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► now will be obsolete in t-minus three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► this is great though as long as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► case he keeps learning Swift I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► have to really we can just use you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► i don't think that's how that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► yeah pretty sure that's not how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► somebody i think it was Curtis had said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► it sat outside the you guys gotta switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► programmer on the show but anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► yeah well we'll see how it goes but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► really anxious see a lot of the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► code is of course in objective-c but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► but all the new stuff is Swift and I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► i was looking at the Swift book over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► funemployment week and I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► teach myself some of it and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► Swift really does intend it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► completely fair this is all academic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► because i was working in a playground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► just reading the book but a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► looks really really good and it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► that once I start really developing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► it i will hate everything but so far I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► really enjoying it it's looking really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► good to me so I still am I still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► second place for amount of Swift written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► if you count the lines of code in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► yes alright let me know market when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3765">TS</a>]
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01:10:09 ◼ ► to my work email which was still working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► sat down on my iPad looked these scans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4211">TS</a>]
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01:10:19 ◼ ► like it was a pretty easy thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► but man did it take for ever compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4222">TS</a>]
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01:10:29 ◼ ► wait for the message to download get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► angry when occasionally male showed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► that there was a new message but refused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► to download it for squid male go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► into male finally the messages there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► i need to open the PDF then I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► open a Dolittle share sheet thing go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4243">TS</a>]
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01:10:51 ◼ ► to tap tap tap tap tap to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► what folder to go in and I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► rename the file by the way and then i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► sometimes there was a share button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► sometimes there wasn't i needed to tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► it took forever to do something that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► a Mac would have taken like four and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► half seconds so it was both a wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► accomplish this at all on the ipad which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► i think even a little even not long ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► I wouldn't have been able to or would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► have been even more taps 22 to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► work but all i wanted in the world has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► to have a mac in front of me so I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► additionally i need to fill out another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► tax form which included a signature on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4297">TS</a>]
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01:11:46 ◼ ► the trackpad in preview or you can sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► a piece of paper hold it up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► camera that's on your mac and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► score quotes can really take a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► of your signature and and filter out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► the background noise if you will and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► let you put your signature on pdfs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4322">TS</a>]
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01:12:07 ◼ ► that comes on iOS I couldn't do that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4327">TS</a>]
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01:12:17 ◼ ► anything out of the box to do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► that's frustrating and I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► have to search the App Store which as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4340">TS</a>]
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01:12:28 ◼ ► additionally similarly some of the PDFs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► that I scanned I really wanted to rotate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► on preview that's command are easy peasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4354">TS</a>]
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01:12:40 ◼ ► third-party app what I'm coming around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4360">TS</a>]
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01:12:46 ◼ ► enjoyed the fact that i could sit on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► of the couches at work where we had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► old job where we had some couches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► actually there's some of the new job as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4372">TS</a>]
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01:12:55 ◼ ► on the couches at work and use use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► computing device that wasn't a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► but all i wanted in the world was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► have a damn laptop and I understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► Mike and Federico and cgpgrey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► might enjoy that because it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► cool being able to put puzzle pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► together to get most of this stuff done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► I don't know why but it just felt awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► to have to jump through so many damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► hoops to get what are comparatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► super simple operations done on the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► and I don't know if you guys have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► thoughts about this if you if it in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4417">TS</a>]
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01:13:43 ◼ ► we're beating this horse to death but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► don't get--why this would be fun for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4426">TS</a>]
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01:13:49 ◼ ► fun i think i understand why it felt bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► like one reason I mean you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► touched on ry might feel bad to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► this experience and why was it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► difficult part of it has to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► simply a gap in knowledge that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► example vtg could tell you exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► you should be doing the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► you're doing because he has experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► you know how to do it on the mac because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► you've done it before on the Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► know which programs how to get things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► between them and the comparison i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► thinking like so many things that seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► effortless to me in my mac are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► effortless to other people with less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► experience with Max that we don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► think about these tools we have at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► disposal and you always know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► drag from this application of that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► but that one you can't drag directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► into their you can drag it onto the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► icon for this application but this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► intermediary and who knows you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► drag anything out of there and how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► you know sometimes you gotta hold down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► before the Dragons active and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► just start dragging soon as you click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► the mouse button like the things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► internalize details that are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► byzantine and don't really make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► sense in aren't consistent and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► have to go to the app store and look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4487">TS</a>]
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01:14:50 ◼ ► them installed and we already know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► know all that like that we know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► do in the mac and so you go to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► place where you don't know what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► when you feel less confident it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► like i know i could do this in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4498">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► seconds in rel max where I am an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► and now i'm in around why and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► frustrating to you know to get into to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► feel like a novice and that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► dissatisfaction and the fact that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► could do it at all probably means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► there is like 900 better ways to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► you just don't know yet because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► don't have the apps installed but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► other side of this is what we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► is that in the end some things still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► just are easier to do on the Mac no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► matter what a range of things because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► sometimes some of the things that video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► you might explain about his crazy world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► of living and you know on the ipad only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► you think about it you're like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► well that's impressive that you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► it all really it's a Rube Goldberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► this can't be the the true path forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► like really this is just like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► doing this to suffice for now but i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► maybe some of the things that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► doing actually would be just as easy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► not easier on the ipad if you just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► yeah you do very well could be right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► guess the thing that frustrated me was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► that out-of-the-box on OS 10 all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► puzzle pieces i need are there and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► arranged pretty closely together so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► just kind of have to shove them a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► bit nearer to each other and they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► fit and I think you made a great point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► that a lot of that comes from experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► whereas out-of-the-box on iOS those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► they may even fit together more nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► then they do an OS 10 although i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► skeptical but the problem is you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► seek them out and i personally don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► Federico and so many others do now Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► what were you going to say about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4597">TS</a>]
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01:16:47 ◼ ► in doing this kind of thing on the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► and so yes there are ways to do these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4609">TS</a>]
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01:16:53 ◼ ► know it be similar like if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► try to use linux and when it might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► tons of tools to do these things and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► don't know about them you know things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4618">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► like that so something to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► with with iOS stuff and and with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4621">TS</a>]
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01:23:13 ◼ ► admission or less efficient on the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4993">TS</a>]
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01:33:00 ◼ ► at the very least like video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5580">TS</a>]
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01:33:24 ◼ ► systems it doesn't demand lightning-fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► reflexes or anything like that it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► require you to know how to orient around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5609">TS</a>]
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01:33:37 ◼ ► rush there is some limited amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5617">TS</a>]
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01:37:09 ◼ ► like medium level of competence of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► oh I know which direction I'm pointed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► a 3d World and I can walk around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► look at things that's really all that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► required of you and some minor button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► pressing if you pass that hurdle give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► and Mark own cases should definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► play it because it's short and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► never play any games and they can both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► whether they'll enjoy it or not who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► knows because I don't get one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► likes artsy-fartsy movies as far as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► check it out it's really cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► minimum the game looks beautiful even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► you just launched a look at the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► damn those guys are good at what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► now serious question can can we pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► Merlin on this and do it in half and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► half or do you really need to dedicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► like three or four hours to I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► think you need to do the one sitting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► didn't want something accidentally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► i was i was saving this for the weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► because i liked to have had the game for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► a little while to after awhile I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5878">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► like I don't want to like I want to rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► it on a work night or you know be up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► later whatever to stay for the weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► but last night my wife wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► something else instead of watch TV show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► that makes you want to watch the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► that shows that she was just like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► find something to myself I said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► I've got fire watching people's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► talking about on the internet maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► just don't know just started maybe I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► just launched its see what it's like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► whatever and then I started playing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► of course they couldn't stop and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► know i just ran through the whole game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► one setting you do not need to play this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► entire game one sitting but i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► encourage you to play the game and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► small number of sittings don't play for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► five minutes and then leave the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► in five minutes with me for the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► like because it is a narrative because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► it is all that moving character you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► to have some amount of through-line like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► you wouldn't watch you know it say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► you're watching like a four-hour movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► increments what you want to do in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► sittings that's probably okay actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► it's really not okay because i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► different rules for movies but this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► i'm gonna say if you want to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► multiple settings that fine if you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► on one is great and I think it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► more powerful that way but asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► someone to sit in front of their TV for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5937">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► three to four hours is asking probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► bit too much of someone who's not into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► fair enough that i'd like to try i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► wanted to try to even before you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► talking about it but we'll see when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► have the time knowing me it'll be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► I don't know year and a half men don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► like that so yeah it's always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► read any spoilers for it just you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► that's that's also part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► was afraid I was gonna get spoiled like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► better going to get going on this sooner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► yeah yeah hopefully we'll hopefully I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► alright alright thanks a lot two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► Squarespace a glue and mail route and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► mean to begin as it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► John research Marco in kc wouldn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► him because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► accidental and you can find show know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► the day EP die and if your twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► interested in playing Firewatch i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► that I have this imac i also have a ps4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► I generally prefer using a computer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► first-person games but I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► why not stainless Feinstein's least of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► your concerns team is nice actually i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► think that this is a lot of mac users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► first experience with steam and it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► atrocious and it's filled with like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► wonder companies don't get sued for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► like you remember the old gumball window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► widgets the red yellow and green you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► know when they used to look like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► look like glowing spheres well so steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► is entirely seems not a native mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► application i don't know what it's made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► out of but they basically took steam and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► application and you know with their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► graphic so they basically copied and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► pasted the old glowing balls from like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► 10.6 or whatever and put them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► corner of their windows and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► left them there and as the OSS vol.10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► 710 810 910 it little glowing balls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► still out there and you realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► really isn't like nothing on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► as a negative control it and like nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► they're just did is a you know a wolf in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► sheep's clothing so it doesn't it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► weird doesn't look anything like a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► app or whatever but here's what i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► about steam it also doesn't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► install the startup items everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► it's like not what I did not start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► by a while yeah it does want around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► launch but you can you can turn that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► yeah it constantly runs it it puts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► itself everywhere and it's a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► app and it's like the well here's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► good about steam it lets you download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► games and play them which sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► but in the days before steam when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► have to download some kind of installer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► to your windows pc and get the installer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► to run with on the same on the same pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► that other games are also installed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► and they would fight each other and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► settings there's a reason steam is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► popular because it took the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► necessarily the mac because it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► little game they're all getting on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► pc and made it way less terrible it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► still not as good as it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► maybe but I love steam and I even love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► steam on the mac even though it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► weird updater even though it wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► launch on login items like it does silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► things you can stop it from doing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► it doesn't come with malware it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► better for the most part has better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► you know and refund policy and sales and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► trials and all the other things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► can do in early access and stuff better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► than the app store now that's a high bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► but better than the app store for buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► games probably have stuff for selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6176">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► games as well the cable was tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► today how exciting it was that on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► day they launched fire watching steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► they had already issued two bug fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► updates because I'm statements and steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► once your game is accepted to the to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► steam store you do updates without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► interference at all you just post them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► yeah I wouldn't mind Apple taking some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► of their inspiration for the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► from steam if they if they want to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► don't look at the apple the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► apps are garbage but don't look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► steam app because the steam app kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► to me the steam at feels like how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► put this gently it feels like not only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► Windows app that is running on your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► not only that because bad enough but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► also feels like it is a Windows web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► designed to run in internet explorer 3.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► which they have embedded in the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► is running in virtual pc and malaysian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► through Rosetta emulation on your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► that's how it feel I think it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► than the mac app store apps you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► you think it's better than the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6238">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► Store app just in terms of the sheer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► number of features the ways you can view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► your data it is not as good as the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► App Store app which again is not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► much but it is way better than the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6246">TS</a>]
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