The Accidental Tech Podcast

152: Daddy Didn't Want the Good Graphics Card

 

  I'm sorry everyone follow up so I feel [TS]

  like we should start tonight's [TS]

  programming with the tale of woe [TS]

  i'll start by saying I bought a computer [TS]

  oh I bought a 5k imac well okay so first [TS]

  of all congratulations [TS]

  well yeah maybe not so it's a hand on [TS]

  heart John and Marco did not know that [TS]

  this happened I've been keeping this a [TS]

  secret from them so i could spring it to [TS]

  spring it on the show I bought a 5k imac [TS]

  is in your possession yet or did you [TS]

  just order it [TS]

  oh it's here it's in my trunk you done [TS]

  packing yet although i did this is my [TS]

  tail well does it fit in your trunk and [TS]

  leave 3 series i'll stop it that's how i [TS]

  have i bought this 5k imac I don't like [TS]

  a week ago and i watched it march across [TS]

  the United States be a fedex ground [TS]

  which was infuriating [TS]

  I mean I'd I did it to myself because i [TS]

  didn't pay for like the super fast [TS]

  shipping but it was so I'm not a patient [TS]

  man and it was infuriating watching [TS]

  march across the US but anyway it [TS]

  arrived yesterday and I booted it i set [TS]

  it up by moved files from making my [TS]

  personal computer with my beloved yet [TS]

  very old circuit 2011 hi-res antiglare [TS]

  15-inch macbook pro i moved files from [TS]

  my work computer [TS]

  my my retina macbook pro 15-inch retina [TS]

  macbook pro I got everything set up i [TS]

  put all the software i wanted on it at [TS]

  least at a glance anyway everything [TS]

  seemed ok i then performed a software [TS]

  update i let the software update go i [TS]

  walked away from computer i came back to [TS]

  the computer it seemed like everything [TS]

  had hung after like 20 minutes something [TS]

  like that which was well under the are [TS]

  well over the time it is estimated to [TS]

  take the software update to run there's [TS]

  nothing on the screen the backlight was [TS]

  on the computer had not to my knowledge [TS]

  rebooted everything was just there there [TS]

  i should say nothing was there actually [TS]

  so I powered the Machine off which to be [TS]

  clear may have been the fatal mistake [TS]

  we'll come back to that power the [TS]

  machine off I've heard it back on [TS]

  the chime sounds that's it back lights [TS]

  on the time sounds nothing else [TS]

  ok turn the computer back off after [TS]

  having let it sit for a while [TS]

  turn it back on the chime sounds and [TS]

  that's it [TS]

  hmm this is not good ok let's go through [TS]

  the steps p.m. reset no good [TS]

  smc reset no-good make a USB boot disk [TS]

  no-good mesh down on the D key to try to [TS]

  get the Diagnostics no good recovery no [TS]

  good internet recovery no good [TS]

  it's in the trunk i have a genius bar [TS]

  appointment tomorrow although i may just [TS]

  end up returning and buying a different [TS]

  one because it's already completely host [TS]

  i have no idea what I did it might have [TS]

  been me [TS]

  I'm not saying it wasn't me i'm not [TS]

  looking for the internet to tell me what [TS]

  it was with respect to the internet it [TS]

  will be figured out tomorrow i have [TS]

  engaged to X Apple geniuses i have [TS]

  engaged a friend of the show [TS]

  nobody could tell me it a good answers [TS]

  to what I could do to resuscitate it i [TS]

  think something just genuinely broke [TS]

  during the problem where there any like [TS]

  USB or other kind of devices connected [TS]

  to it that you could have unplugged did [TS]

  you try plugging them [TS]

  oh yes so I had I had my microphone [TS]

  installed because i was all smug and [TS]

  happy because the way this but this [TS]

  episode was supposed to go was I was [TS]

  supposed to say to you guess what guys I [TS]

  am now talking to you on my 5k imac the [TS]

  way this episode is actually going is [TS]

  guess what guys I actually have to [TS]

  either return or get this thing repaired [TS]

  tomorrow which is exactly what i'm going [TS]

  to do i'm not sure what i'm going to do [TS]

  yet i'm very sad i did try target disk [TS]

  mode as somebody is asking the chat [TS]

  target disk mode i have tried everything [TS]

  in my repertoire and everything that 2x [TS]

  geniuses and a friend that works at [TS]

  apple has asked me to try [TS]

  none of it has worked i'm very sad but i [TS]

  will tell you in the two or three hours [TS]

  that it was working it was a magnificent [TS]

  computer and I cannot wait to hopefully [TS]

  get one that works by medics we [TS]

  yeah so I'm very sad it's a sad sad day [TS]

  for me it's kinda like my grandfather [TS]

  were complaining that modern cars [TS]

  actually specifically i was modern car [TS]

  engine Bay's don't have any place for [TS]

  you to get your hands down in them you [TS]

  know like is everything is all packed [TS]

  together really tightly and then you [TS]

  complain about the plastic shroud is [TS]

  covering everything up and complaining [TS]

  about how hard it is to replace things [TS]

  like that are filters and they don't [TS]

  have carburetors anyway but they related [TS]

  complaint to your 5k imac is like back [TS]

  in back in the days of my most feverish [TS]

  trying to diagnose problems one of the [TS]

  things that I would do in this situation [TS]

  I almost adjusted until I realized it's [TS]

  pointless is to try to figure out what [TS]

  the hell's going on like hear the chime [TS]

  it passes the post-test right and then [TS]

  what happens like are you really cannot [TS]

  find the discs are you getting into the [TS]

  boot process and the way you usually [TS]

  tell that is you could hear whether it [TS]

  had started accessing the hard drive and [TS]

  you knew by the series of ticks and [TS]

  sounds is it is it looking for a boot [TS]

  sector is it just power cycling discs on [TS]

  and offers that actually beginning the [TS]

  boot process which has a distinctive [TS]

  sound to it or in the old days with the [TS]

  floppy drive you could tell what the [TS]

  computer was doing and at what point [TS]

  things went wrong but with an SSD and [TS]

  nothing on the screen and definitely no [TS]

  indicator lights or anything like that [TS]

  you know hardware indicator lights for [TS]

  the pc folks [TS]

  you have no idea what's going on it they [TS]

  post so there's no image on the screen [TS]

  has it begun the boot process cannot [TS]

  find the hard drive [TS]

  if you mean if we can find the harder [TS]

  you have the the blinking ? like it but [TS]

  it did pass posters i think that the [TS]

  time only sounds after it does the whole [TS]

  you know that the posters power-on [TS]

  self-test like the whole you if you have [TS]

  like bad ram or whatever you get one of [TS]

  the the bad chimes or something like [TS]

  that so right like almost all my whole [TS]

  diagnostic tools are useless for these [TS]

  computers that don't make any noise [TS]

  except the stupid fan is the fan going [TS]

  there we go we can ask that is passed [TS]

  yes it was as far as like it does it [TS]

  crank up the full speed if you let it [TS]

  sit there [TS]

  no it does not actually let it sit [TS]

  overnight just to be extra specially [TS]

  sure that that was that it wasn't just [TS]

  me being impatient [TS]

  did you spill water into it i did not [TS]

  thank you for asking but i haven't read [TS]

  this important to it to establish that [TS]

  where I mean are there any openings the [TS]

  face upwards there in the back means [TS]

  that you can get water [TS]

  there's always the bottom left behind my [TS]

  god that's me that there are no openings [TS]

  that face upwards i can find is not [TS]

  doesn't like a slip on top part I don't [TS]

  see why I didn't think so so yeah so [TS]

  it's sitting in my trunk to be honest [TS]

  with you I'll probably just return it [TS]

  and probably just order a new one [TS]

  because i feel like it's already tainted [TS]

  I'm still hoping actually hoping you're [TS]

  thinking you're suspecting like this is [TS]

  actually a soft like it's not a hardware [TS]

  problem is a software problem did you [TS]

  know you said you tried a million things [TS]

  the only other one that you didn't [TS]

  mention that you think other ball two [TS]

  things like that 1i assuming since you [TS]

  and he started all these experts you [TS]

  made sure that they all had the most [TS]

  recent up-to-date knowledge about the [TS]

  keys that you have to match because [TS]

  those have changed over the past couple [TS]

  of years and a lot of people might give [TS]

  you advice to hold down key combinations [TS]

  that are no longer the correct one to [TS]

  the same operations but something that's [TS]

  handled that one hurt didn't hear you [TS]

  mentioned is Bruce Bruce are both [TS]

  putting mode i believe its command V you [TS]

  should look it up the one that spews you [TS]

  know the unix console text to your [TS]

  screen during the boot process sometimes [TS]

  that's a good way to find out at one [TS]

  point things go off the rails during the [TS]

  boot process assuming the boot process [TS]

  even began the I did not try that [TS]

  however i did not mention that I also [TS]

  phoned applecare at like they're not [TS]

  going to help you [TS]

  well my thought was let me give them a [TS]

  shot see what they could figure out I [TS]

  and i started the conversation slightly [TS]

  well mildly passive-aggressively and i [TS]

  said here's what i've tried p.m. recent [TS]

  smc recent blah-blah-blah-blah-blah to [TS]

  try to establish we really don't need to [TS]

  go through all of this again if you [TS]

  please have you tried blowing the dust [TS]

  out of the plug but if the smc reset [TS]

  apparently on the East max is to unplug [TS]

  it wait 15 seconds and plug it back in [TS]

  or something along those lines in any [TS]

  case I tried everything you had a try i [TS]

  tried everything that the applecare [TS]

  person till told me to do so in all [TS]

  likelihood i will just return it [TS]

  tomorrow I've not you cancel my genius [TS]

  to put appointment we will see what [TS]

  happens i cannot stress enough internet [TS]

  that by the time you hear this episode [TS]

  if this will already be resolved one way [TS]

  or another [TS]

  well it'll be in the process of he's not [TS]

  well it'll be in the process of being [TS]

  resolved please internet I appreciate [TS]

  your feedback but it is too late by the [TS]

  time you've heard this he is the fast [TS]

  bring for advisement if i order a new [TS]

  one [TS]

  I will absolutely spring for the fast [TS]

  shipping because now i'm really really [TS]

  sad that my literally i use the thing [TS]

  let's see it was seven o'clock because [TS]

  after Declan went to bed that I booted [TS]

  it and started transferring everything [TS]

  and at ten o'clock or thereabouts-- was [TS]

  when i was calling applecare so i used [TS]

  it for three hours [TS]

  I feel so bad for you for this because [TS]

  well in that let's not forget this is [TS]

  the first desktop bought in easily a [TS]

  decade yeah and we will definitely [TS]

  interrogate you about why you chose to [TS]

  do this and why you did it now and and [TS]

  etcetera because i really want to know [TS]

  all these things but first of all I do [TS]

  want to express my sincere condolences [TS]

  because like I i hate it like if you cut [TS]

  it it's so puts a damper on like you [TS]

  know a big purchase of a thing you're [TS]

  really excited about that you hardly [TS]

  ever get to buy and all the end like it [TS]

  comes and it has some problem that you [TS]

  have to deal with that sucks it puts [TS]

  such a damper on the whole thing [TS]

  yeah it really does and you know what I [TS]

  thought about those so yesterday [TS]

  obviously I was much more angry and [TS]

  pissed off than I am now yet but [TS]

  yesterday i was thinking about it and I [TS]

  thought what if for the sake of [TS]

  conversation [TS]

  this was my very first mac like that's a [TS]

  terrible experience now admittedly this [TS]

  is this is definitely a fluke [TS]

  this is this is weird this is not [TS]

  something that normally happens to my [TS]

  recollection in my eight years of owning [TS]

  max I think that's ready to eat issues [TS]

  of only max I have never had a software [TS]

  update fail so I to be clear this is a [TS]

  fluke it's just it's weird but damn if [TS]

  it isn't frustrating and all my goodness [TS]

  if I was if this was my first mac i [TS]

  would go I would go running back to Del [TS]

  now I'm not an idiot [TS]

  so I'm not going to do that my crazy [TS]

  here no i agree i agree but i'm just [TS]

  saying like if this was imagine if your [TS]

  first experience with this you know it [TS]

  was like you know 32 3032 hundred-dollar [TS]

  computer it imagine your first [TS]

  experiences all it works for three hours [TS]

  and then it's dead all of it it doesn't [TS]

  really matter like that experience [TS]

  doesn't really matter unless it must [TS]

  some kind of epidemic which i'm assuming [TS]

  it isn't right but I every every every [TS]

  company has like the DOA things all that [TS]

  matters is what happens after that's all [TS]

  that that's what that's what you know i [TS]

  mean like for dell the reason to [TS]

  galleries a lot of people like [TS]

  all in the enterprise anyway is that [TS]

  when something happens when someone [TS]

  drops a dell laptop on something breaks [TS]

  or whatever you can have new hardware in [TS]

  your hands in a shockingly small amount [TS]

  of time and so it's not let you know [TS]

  that things are gonna happen you're [TS]

  gonna get out you gonna buy 50 dell [TS]

  laptops and one of them is going to be [TS]

  DOA that's not the thing that annoys you [TS]

  would annoy you for example here we're [TS]

  going to apple if you had to wait a week [TS]

  to get the new one it doesn't know you [TS]

  if the next morning when you come into [TS]

  work somebody from dell is there with [TS]

  the box and says give me your old one [TS]

  here's your new one later and you're [TS]

  like go [TS]

  that was easy and so for apple like the [TS]

  thing that counts is how good was your [TS]

  applecare phone experience which in my [TS]

  experience is not that great how when [TS]

  you go to the Genius Bar how's that [TS]

  experience going to be and how you know [TS]

  how much faster they give you how [TS]

  sympathetic are they this matters to how [TS]

  sympathetic is the person to your [TS]

  frustration about getting a do a [TS]

  computer which is basically how its set [TS]

  categorize this is assuming there's a [TS]

  hardware thing it's not like the [TS]

  software update brokers just you know [TS]

  the hardware problem with this machine [TS]

  which is DOA and it's best to find out [TS]

  now right [TS]

  it's all about how it's handled after [TS]

  the fact that my 152 Apple stories about [TS]

  this thing of that told the other one [TS]

  I'm past broadcast when I got my ac30 [TS]

  the power supply made a high pitch noise [TS]

  that only people under thirty could hear [TS]

  how do you remember this yeah and that [TS]

  was my most disappointing one because [TS]

  because I was a kid and when your kid or [TS]

  like when your kid at heart like Casey [TS]

  you get your hopes up this exciting new [TS]

  shiny computer and it comes and you're [TS]

  sad right so that was that was the most [TS]

  crushing one and the other one which I [TS]

  may have mentioned the passes when this [TS]

  is the pizza box powerpc performer [TS]

  actually performing 61 something CD got [TS]

  that for Christmas and offers a family [TS]

  computer but whatever it's mine and the [TS]

  the terrible gross pc sourced 15-inch [TS]

  multisync apple monitor that came with [TS]

  it was DOA like the monitors didn't work [TS]

  you plugged in and nothing happened no [TS]

  lights came on the screen so i got that [TS]

  Christmas Day and I was older so I [TS]

  wasn't totally you know devastated i [TS]

  didn't have any other monitors that [TS]

  could fit because of the differences in [TS]

  the connectors this was a multisync [TS]

  monitors basically a pc monitor [TS]

  connector with a slight difference in [TS]

  any way [TS]

  my other ones wouldn't work with it so [TS]

  you get something on Christmas music [TS]

  Christmas you said to apple had a new [TS]

  monitor on our front doorstep the [TS]

  morning after Christmas [TS]

  that's pretty impressive that yeah so as [TS]

  it not only do they not wait for us to [TS]

  ship it back or you know ship it to us [TS]

  and get here is that was like you're sad [TS]

  on christmas day you go to sleep you [TS]

  wake up the next morning the monitors on [TS]

  your doorstep and so that was pretty [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  yeah i'm i'm curious to see how this [TS]

  works out but you're absolutely right [TS]

  that it it's all about how how [TS]

  sympathetic people are and how people [TS]

  react to it and I think it will be fine [TS]

  it all it all work itself out but I'm it [TS]

  man what a bummer what a serious bummer [TS]

  and how much hassle it is like that you [TS]

  have to convince anyone of anything is [TS]

  there a lot of paperwork to fill out how [TS]

  long does it take for you to have the [TS]

  situation remedied to your satisfaction [TS]

  like you can make a big difference even [TS]

  if even if like you got it fixed the [TS]

  next day but to do that you have to like [TS]

  argue with someone on the phone that's a [TS]

  terrible experience but right if you go [TS]

  through it and someone is sympathetic [TS]

  and just just you know it seems like [TS]

  bump that's it [TS]

  yep that's it you'll have a new computer [TS]

  on Dax you're like oh that was easy and [TS]

  you come away from that experience if [TS]

  everything has gone well actually liking [TS]

  the brand more than you would have if [TS]

  you had just gotten the thing and it [TS]

  worked out of the box with yeah totally [TS]

  that the perverse way the human nature [TS]

  works the worst of the worst one though [TS]

  the one you can't recover from luckily [TS]

  were all out of this phase is like when [TS]

  i got my obscenely expensive Apple 22 [TS]

  inch LCD monitor and had dead pixels on [TS]

  it and I tried to look for them but i [TS]

  can see that you know about that because [TS]

  I knew going in with the policy was the [TS]

  policy is it is an X number of pixels [TS]

  know this our part or whatever sorry [TS]

  luck of the draw you got unlucky and you [TS]

  know i guess i suppose i could have [TS]

  returned it and tried again and returned [TS]

  it and try to get her in here and didn't [TS]

  try it again but I was just not up for [TS]

  that you know yesterday I was really [TS]

  upset [TS]

  not even just angry i was i was [TS]

  genuinely upset but today with a little [TS]

  bit of clarity and how whole i can see [TS]

  that this is like the most first world [TS]

  first world problems that my shiny new [TS]

  computer didn't work immediately [TS]

  oh well like get over yourself but [TS]

  man it it did bum me out a little bit [TS]

  i'm you paid good money for that thing [TS]

  don't you know don't diminish this [TS]

  yeah so hopefully will rectify itself we [TS]

  don't we don't need to talk about this [TS]

  anymore if if you guys don't have [TS]

  anything to say we can move on to follow [TS]

  up if you have any other questions I'm [TS]

  happy to feel them [TS]

  I have so many questions but first can [TS]

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  my question was about I know you're not [TS]

  gonna mess with it yourself but uh ram [TS]

  the wiggles loose as the thing took its [TS]

  bumpy little journey across the entire [TS]

  country [TS]

  I it's funny you say that I receded the [TS]

  ram just to be safe [TS]

  no difference I'll see I would've said [TS]

  the same thing is to not try to do that [TS]

  because i don't know like you peed on [TS]

  the carpet and like a ditz i would i [TS]

  would be like look I just can't I [TS]

  haven't touched a thing that came out of [TS]

  the box i've been using it like use a [TS]

  computer by pressing buttons on the [TS]

  keyboard and mouse or trackpad and now [TS]

  it's Friday like all you opened it up [TS]

  well but you're supposed to be a little [TS]

  bit up by you know so I just most [TS]

  paranoid with apples i would not have [TS]

  even tried that I would have just [TS]

  brought inside of the Rams unseated it's [TS]

  not my problem in touch fair fair Point [TS]

  and actually that brings up a really [TS]

  interesting point let me tell you how I [TS]

  know i'm old i was extremely and remain [TS]

  actually extremely skeptical that me [TS]

  doing like command are for recovery I [TS]

  believe that's right i was looking at [TS]

  the documents when i was when i was [TS]

  doing these keystrokes if I get them [TS]

  wrong now I apologize but I command our [TS]

  option command or whatever it is for [TS]

  internet recovery and d4 diagnostics all [TS]

  these things that was mashing i [TS]

  initially was doing that on the new [TS]

  bluetooth keyboard that came with it [TS]

  which by the way i like quite a bit i [TS]

  really like it a lot a lot this is the [TS]

  new like semi skinny one right that's [TS]

  correct but anyway so I'm doing all of [TS]

  this and I'm doing it on a Bluetooth [TS]

  keyboard and the old man in me is so [TS]

  damn skeptical that this keyboard is [TS]

  even connected to the computer that i [TS]

  first plugged it in with the lightning [TS]

  cable then I decided no I'm not even [TS]

  convinced that's good enough and i have [TS]

  a hundred one key apple keyboard that i [TS]

  got from god-knows-where that's USB i [TS]

  plug that in and did all these keys [TS]

  looks again just to be safe but it's it [TS]

  weirded me out to be relying on wireless [TS]

  devices in order to try to kick off [TS]

  these extremely low-level like boot [TS]

  sequences I don't just mean that's me [TS]

  being old and weird i suppose [TS]

  anyway any other questions for sure we [TS]

  do some follow-up why did you get this [TS]

  computer right so I knew it was time to [TS]

  get a different computer i hadn't bought [TS]

  a computer since my i already mentioned [TS]

  2011 hi-res entire back pro that thing [TS]

  sits on my desk constantly that's all it [TS]

  does is sit on the desk and even though [TS]

  I've been a laptop guy for easily a [TS]

  decade and change in fact i think i made [TS]

  the switch during school so somewhere in [TS]

  the early 2000s was when I really became [TS]

  a laptop kind of guy and i thought to [TS]

  myself i will have a work laptop as we [TS]

  discussed quite a bit of heat that [TS]

  several episodes back I'll have a work [TS]

  laptop and it occurred to me just [TS]

  yesterday that i have my high resident [TS]

  eclair you know macbook pro that I could [TS]

  put an SSD and like we were just talking [TS]

  about so i will still have a laptop and [TS]

  even in a real pinch I can take errands [TS]

  a scuba-diving macbook her and use that [TS]

  if I really wanted to use a laptop [TS]

  beyond that as I've also talked about on [TS]

  the show Aaron got me a brand new ipad [TS]

  mini for Christmas and for a lot of [TS]

  things especially when mated to a [TS]

  bluetooth keyboard that's probably [TS]

  sufficient so say I wanted to write a [TS]

  blog post downstairs while I'm sitting [TS]

  next to her on the couch [TS]

  I could use my iPad I could use her [TS]

  laptop I could use my old laptop I could [TS]

  use my work laptop so if i have like 80 [TS]

  for portable devices rolling around the [TS]

  house [TS]

  do I really need another but i have a [TS]

  couple of things that I really want [TS]

  running all the time like plex for [TS]

  example why not have that running on a [TS]

  desktop rather than running on my yet my [TS]

  laptop and so it seems to me like I'm [TS]

  running out of good reasons to have a [TS]

  laptop and so if I'm gonna get a desktop [TS]

  and damned if I don't lust after these [TS]

  like apple cinema displays that are all [TS]

  over the place on the client that i'm [TS]

  working at which we talked about in the [TS]

  past [TS]

  one just bite the bullet and get a damn [TS]

  imac and that's what I did and I tell [TS]

  you what it's weird only having one [TS]

  monitor because at home [TS]

  not right now actually because I put it [TS]

  away but at home I typically have two [TS]

  monitors at work I always have two [TS]

  monitors it's weird only having one [TS]

  monitor those you can have to donate [TS]

  melon [TS]

  yeah I know you thank you thank you oh [TS]

  my god thank you i know you can have to [TS]

  write but when it's a 27-inch screen [TS]

  you really told needed it's really ok [TS]

  and all my god is that screen beautiful [TS]

  did you guys know that screen is really [TS]

  pretty I feel like we should talk about [TS]

  this in the past or something but Marco [TS]

  has the worst one but I have the same [TS]

  one as you know it if only somebody [TS]

  would have told you about a month ago [TS]

  but all the benefits of death yes yes [TS]

  yes [TS]

  so eventually i thought you know it's [TS]

  all kidding aside I thought you know let [TS]

  me just try this test something because [TS]

  you know what it's a lot of fun time no [TS]

  question full stop it's a lot of money [TS]

  I what I got was under apologize i said [TS]

  this already but I got a [TS]

  middle-of-the-road 1i I got it with [TS]

  eight gigs of ram because i was planning [TS]

  on putting some aftermarket ram in it [TS]

  did you get cpu I got the four 4 [TS]

  gigahertz CPU yes and I got the one [TS]

  terabyte SSD so basically a fairly [TS]

  loaded middle-of-the-road i'm at 5k imac [TS]

  because i didn't see the need for a [TS]

  really fancy graphics card because I [TS]

  don't ever play games so I i loved the [TS]

  machine for the three hours to use that [TS]

  benefited i and i'm really looking [TS]

  forward to sticking with it i really [TS]

  think this is probably going to be the [TS]

  right answer for me ask me again in a [TS]

  few months obviously and i say that both [TS]

  sarcastically and seriously because I'm [TS]

  curious to see if I miss it [TS]

  who works here yeah if it works but i'm [TS]

  i'm really thinking that that this was [TS]

  probably the right answer especially if [TS]

  I start doing a little more iOS [TS]

  development which I'm i'm hoping to be [TS]

  doing soon [TS]

  that's a pretty good way to do it and i [TS]

  will say that after having used this [TS]

  27-inch 5k imac fourth two-and-a-half to [TS]

  three hours as i was going to [TS]

  troubleshoot I got out my work 15 inch [TS]

  retina macbook pro and hand on heart the [TS]

  first thing i thought to myself was holy [TS]

  God the screen is tiny and is never [TS]

  thought that 15 inch laptop ever before [TS]

  in my life [TS]

  yes so two things you you're not ruined [TS]

  our first of all the screen quality of [TS]

  the 5k is still way better even the 1i [TS]

  have that that has the worst color gamut [TS]

  than yours [TS]

  it is the the screen on the 5k is way [TS]

  better than the screen on any of the [TS]

  laptops including the newest 15 will see [TS]

  that changes when they go to sky like a [TS]

  moon a few months or whatever but as of [TS]

  today like it [TS]

  the imax screen is by far the nicest [TS]

  screen apple sells in my eye maybe ipad [TS]

  pro I haven't looked too much added but [TS]

  like I thought the ipad mini was [TS]

  actually the best of the portables at me [TS]

  maybe you know for like certain metrics [TS]

  I you know I i know the test you're [TS]

  talking about but I like among max I [TS]

  think the 5k imac is just far away far [TS]

  ahead of the other ones because just I [TS]

  mean everything about it like that the [TS]

  color the contrast like the the pixel [TS]

  density I don't know a bunch of stuff i [TS]

  understand it just looks great and once [TS]

  you're accustomed to looking at a 5k [TS]

  when you look at the retina macbook pro [TS]

  you you can tell them they're in a macro [TS]

  screen almost seems blurry by comparison [TS]

  like its it is a very different look and [TS]

  it looks fantastic on the 5k and so [TS]

  first of all you are now ruined so yes [TS]

  you can go ahead and plug in additional [TS]

  monitors to it but you won't want to [TS]

  because anything else you plug into it [TS]

  look like garbage and apple is no is not [TS]

  yet shipping a standalone version of [TS]

  this monitor i hope they do in the [TS]

  future and for people to do what [TS]

  multi-monitor or who don't have a laptop [TS]

  don't have a 5k but having a laptop or [TS]

  something but for now this is the best [TS]

  green apple sells the only way you can [TS]

  get it is inside the 5ki and nothing [TS]

  nothing else matches it and even having [TS]

  a laptop next to it is is just no kinda [TS]

  so a you ruin screen quality and B [TS]

  you're definitely on screen size you [TS]

  know now and this is how i feel about [TS]

  how it felt for years ever since i got a [TS]

  giant monitor like this I i can do work [TS]

  on my 15-inch macbook pro and i have and [TS]

  i need to usually a few times a year i [TS]

  need to do something really heavy on the [TS]

  map program glad I have it but every [TS]

  time i do work on the map or i'm tempted [TS]

  to work the macbook pro and I [TS]

  can work on the desktop like either [TS]

  either it's just on the outside of the [TS]

  house or I'll be back to back home in a [TS]

  couple days and i can do it then i will [TS]

  just put off work until I can do it on [TS]

  the big screen because i know that i [TS]

  will wait happier and more productive [TS]

  doing on the big screen so like you will [TS]

  probably follow a similar path variable [TS]

  people really well I could work on this [TS]

  laptop but screen is so cramped but it's [TS]

  might as well just wait till I can go [TS]

  upstairs and do it on the imac yeah yeah [TS]

  we'll say I am I am genuinely a little [TS]

  i'm going to use the word worried [TS]

  because I can't think of a better word [TS]

  but i'm a little worried about what this [TS]

  means for my home life and for my [TS]

  relationship with aaron because I I [TS]

  don't often sit with a laptop downstairs [TS]

  next errand but i wouldn't say it's [TS]

  uncommon either and now if I want to use [TS]

  my computer I'm gonna have to be [TS]

  upstairs in one of our bedrooms which [TS]

  you know is always my in-home office and [TS]

  that's what I'm saying right now to [TS]

  record and so I don't want to ignore [TS]

  Aaron on a regular basis [TS]

  just because I want to be upstairs in my [TS]

  fancy new imac but we'll see what [TS]

  happens i mean if that's the most of my [TS]

  problems I'm in pretty damn good shape [TS]

  our nice so we'll see but I i don't mean [TS]

  this to be snarky I mean I genuinely and [TS]

  then the two and a half three hours [TS]

  I'm i would I use the thing I really [TS]

  really really loved it i really did and [TS]

  admittedly some of that was a shiny but [TS]

  it was fast it worked well I was [TS]

  transferring things from both laptops to [TS]

  the to the to the imac a God knows [TS]

  what's gonna happen with that data if I [TS]

  return it but anyway uh I was [TS]

  transferring stuff to the imac at at [TS]

  ridiculous speeds i was doing like 18 [TS]

  things at once i'm a really heavy user [TS]

  of what is its paces the multiple [TS]

  virtual screens and it's all wrapped [TS]

  into Mission Control now but i barely [TS]

  use them on this imac because god help [TS]

  me I have like 10 different windows open [TS]

  at once shut up John I'd like 10 [TS]

  different winter so but it wants which [TS]

  is like eight more that i usually have I [TS]

  don't know maybe I just have a simple [TS]

  simple mind yet [TS]

  I think you're not the only one with [TS]

  spaces i see with all these youngsters [TS]

  at work who [TS]

  we have many more max at work now we [TS]

  have many more youngsters at work and [TS]

  ever ever it's very easy and multiple [TS]

  monitors at work so that the domain like [TS]

  the wave young people and generalizing [TS]

  the way the young people i see at my [TS]

  work these days you write exactly use [TS]

  their max is that multiple monitors they [TS]

  like lots of monitors like the more the [TS]

  better one guy like six with wrinkles [TS]

  and they full screen everything and they [TS]

  attempt to use spaces in Mission Control [TS]

  to cycle through things like I'll be [TS]

  sitting there and watching somebody do [TS]

  something that they're there they'll be [TS]

  demonstrating something they'll have to [TS]

  have a text editor full screen on one [TS]

  17-inch monitor and another text editor [TS]

  web browser for another 17-inch monitor [TS]

  and sometimes would be like well go to [TS]

  this web page go to the source file go [TS]

  to this go do that go to the terminal [TS]

  window all these things would fit like [TS]

  117 screen at the person who like use [TS]

  windows windows down because really [TS]

  terminal terminal filling an entire [TS]

  letterbox format 17 inch screen is [TS]

  ridiculous right but instead it's like [TS]

  where's that window again where that [TS]

  window lots of gestures and keyboard [TS]

  combinations to you know go through [TS]

  spaces with the control arrow keys and [TS]

  gestures to swipe from one to the other [TS]

  to try to make the thing they're looking [TS]

  for appear on one of the two screens and [TS]

  I can't see what's in front of behind [TS]

  they just have to like and they don't [TS]

  seem to have an awareness there's no [TS]

  like like it used to be where spaces [TS]

  were 2d instead of just like a 1d strip [TS]

  remember the 2d spaces things we go up [TS]

  down left and right at least ever [TS]

  fighting chance instead what I see it is [TS]

  two screens that the icy hands moving [TS]

  furiously I see two screens blink blink [TS]

  blink blink blink blink blink [TS]

  all I found it there and then we'll go [TS]

  back to the thing okay blink blink blink [TS]

  blink blink blink blink found this like [TS]

  this is this does not seem efficient so [TS]

  yeah anyway people like a movie should [TS]

  we should know this from the from [TS]

  Windows Windows taught us that people [TS]

  like to maximize everything and the mac [TS]

  users like well max used on maximizing [TS]

  everything well guess what [TS]

  now that Max are more common the people [TS]

  who maximize everything have max and [TS]

  they try to work the same way so don't [TS]

  do that Casey it's a waste of your [TS]

  screen space but i don't typically [TS]

  maximize everything but what I typically [TS]

  do is have spaces kind of Orient like [TS]

  things [TS]

  well as an example the probably the the [TS]

  best example is I have one space that [TS]

  has my work I am the relay slack and I [TS]

  messages in three tiles on that space [TS]

  they take up the whole screen so though [TS]

  the left half the screen is work i am [TS]

  this is on like a work computer of [TS]

  course left half the screen is work i am [TS]

  and then the right half the screen is [TS]

  split in half so the top half is real a [TS]

  slack and the bottom half is I messages [TS]

  and that's actually what's going on [TS]

  right now so that's just a simple [TS]

  example and I like spaces it's not for [TS]

  everyone but like i said when i was [TS]

  using this imac i found that that I [TS]

  could just tile damn near everything [TS]

  into one space which is a weird thing [TS]

  for me but but my love of spaces is also [TS]

  the reason that I feel like I can't use [TS]

  any other mouse other than the magic [TS]

  mouse because i'm addicted to the [TS]

  two-finger swipe I understand that [TS]

  Mike's beloved MX revolution or whatever [TS]

  it is has configurations in which you [TS]

  can swap spaces with buttons and whatnot [TS]

  but but for me I've always use the magic [TS]

  mouse i love it plus the mass crippled [TS]

  him so then that Mouse also crippled him [TS]

  so there's that [TS]

  minor details right no big deal right so [TS]

  anyway so yes I in my brief usage and [TS]

  again I know I sound snarky but I'm not [TS]

  trying to be in my very brief usage of [TS]

  this machine I actually really really [TS]

  really liked it and if I return it [TS]

  tomorrow if I get it repaired tomorrow [TS]

  one way or the other i am looking [TS]

  forward to having some [TS]

  honest-to-goodness time with it but it [TS]

  was fast it was it was nice it was [TS]

  pretty the screen was beautiful i really [TS]

  enjoy the new peripheral peripherals the [TS]

  under the new magic mouse seemed roughly [TS]

  the same to me I couldn't tell any major [TS]

  differences like I understand what the [TS]

  differences are but just from feel and [TS]

  whatnot I couldn't really tell the [TS]

  differences the new keyboard though I [TS]

  really really liked a lot I feel like [TS]

  every single Apple keyboard in the house [TS]

  i have the 2011 macbook pro I of the [TS]

  2013-2015 macbook pro i have the hundred [TS]

  one keyboard i have a4 battery bluetooth [TS]

  keyboard i have errands macbook air [TS]

  every single one of those keyboards I [TS]

  swear to you feels just a little bit [TS]

  different but i really liked the new the [TS]

  new bluetooth one I've what is it the [TS]

  magic keyboard or something i always get [TS]

  the names wrong anyway the whatever the [TS]

  brand new one is I really liked it a lot [TS]

  so so the hardware accepting the fact [TS]

  that it died with this waterfall and and [TS]

  I you know it too quick personal [TS]

  anecdote my office is a disaster [TS]

  the the one in my house is a disaster [TS]

  you could barely see the carpet and [TS]

  there was like a path between the door [TS]

  and the chair and that was about it and [TS]

  in preparation for this thing it was as [TS]

  it was marching across the country [TS]

  I finally did what aaron has been [TS]

  begging me to do for like two years now [TS]

  and I cleaned up my office and my desk [TS]

  was all clean i have a glass desk [TS]

  because I've had it forever but I guess [TS]

  I'm that kind of loser and so I have [TS]

  this glass desk is all cleaned off i [TS]

  moved my mic from one side of the desk [TS]

  to the other with your podcasters like a [TS]

  really big deal and I was all ready to [TS]

  go with it was going to be great and now [TS]

  it's in my trunk to get prepared to [TS]

  return tomorrow [TS]

  that's sucks yeah i'm very sad because I [TS]

  really do feel so bad for you because i [TS]

  like i like i just as i said earlier [TS]

  like the idea of like you know having [TS]

  like you know thought about it and saved [TS]

  up and finally ordered and track and [TS]

  receive this thing only to have it then [TS]

  just be broken like it just it's such a [TS]

  damper on which should be like the [TS]

  exciting time that you finally got you [TS]

  know you you paid for you waited [TS]

  patiently got it and like I said I as [TS]

  silly as it is one of the things I was [TS]

  most excited for what's to say to you [TS]

  get was to say to the two of you guess [TS]

  what writing talking you're my new hat [TS]

  like I said I went out when i was doing [TS]

  all of this installation i had already [TS]

  had my mic connected because there's no [TS]

  reason not to [TS]

  and then nevermind that time so anyway [TS]

  we've talked about this far too long we [TS]

  should probably do some follow-up [TS]

  especially since we have a fair bit of [TS]

  it but I appreciate you indulging me and [TS]

  next week we will have some amount to [TS]

  follow up either i returned it or maybe [TS]

  I gotta repaired we'll see what happens [TS]

  but i wont will follow back up next week [TS]

  before you move on do you want to [TS]

  preemptively apologize to Declan for his [TS]

  bed minecraft 2.3 frame rates [TS]

  haha well given that he's what 14 and a [TS]

  half months now I'm not too worried [TS]

  about I said minecraft 2.3 by the time [TS]

  he reaches minecraft age you'll still [TS]

  have that computer he'll be using it and [TS]

  the new version of Minecraft will [TS]

  probably not get great frame rates and [TS]

  they'll ask why and then you'll have to [TS]

  explain to him daddy didn't want the [TS]

  good graphics card if you do you really [TS]

  think that good graphics card make a [TS]

  difference when he's playing a game on a [TS]

  seven-year-old computer i think it will [TS]

  because minecraft like I assume there [TS]

  will be no minecraft to who knows at [TS]

  that point in his life but minecraft [TS]

  does can be surprisingly demanding if [TS]

  you crank everything up to max on my 5k [TS]

  iMac which was the best video card that [TS]

  you can get in that particular machine [TS]

  you can make it chug occasionally like [TS]

  it can happen you know obviously he's [TS]

  not going to have the graphic settings [TS]

  max but I think even its standard [TS]

  graphics settings with a reasonable draw [TS]

  distance by the time he is of age and [TS]

  minecraft has evolved to have slightly [TS]

  fancier graphics perhaps it's not gonna [TS]

  be a great frame rates then it's [TS]

  someone's going to answer for that and [TS]

  well I guess I'll explain to if you [TS]

  don't want to because it's not like [TS]

  you're gonna get rid of that beautiful [TS]

  screen that you're going to use that [TS]

  thing for as the like it'll be a viable [TS]

  computer for a really long time except [TS]

  maybe for Minecraft okay first of all I [TS]

  need to teach you guys about selling [TS]

  computers while they're still worth [TS]

  something [TS]

  second of all second of all I love John [TS]

  that you that you assume there might not [TS]

  be a minecraft to I know Microsoft Bob [TS]

  Dom I understand it's a billion-dollar [TS]

  business there will definitely be a [TS]

  minecraft to it might not be good and it [TS]

  might not be for a while but there will [TS]

  definitely be a minecraft snow it's [TS]

  already on the app store to just an ok [TS]

  right now I mean like for this way if [TS]

  not still owned it i mean there were [TS]

  additional should have already been a [TS]

  minecraft to intrude but there wasn't [TS]

  because the the company and the person [TS]

  who owned it just continued to revise [TS]

  the program and continue to sell you [TS]

  know the original program now the micro [TS]

  zones that you're right there will [TS]

  surely be a minecraft at some point but [TS]

  i'm not quite sure when that will be [TS]

  could be borderline [TS]

  they and I don't know what kind of [TS]

  priority this for them to get my [TS]

  together minecraft to out versus just [TS]

  revising and continue to sell minecraft [TS]

  and every single new platforms because [TS]

  they are selling same game over and over [TS]

  again with selling ps4 the cell wall no [TS]

  less so now but now this element xbox [TS]

  one they'll saw the pc version probably [TS]

  so windows phone version you know the [TS]

  salt keeps on the iOS version so i don't [TS]

  know for their there's a burning need to [TS]

  make a minecraft to before Declan [TS]

  reaches that age people say we respond [TS]

  to this week by blue apron helping you [TS]

  cook better at home to a blue apron calm [TS]

  / ATP to be your first two meals for [TS]

  free [TS]

  look you need to know how to cook not [TS]

  only should you know your way around the [TS]

  kitchen but cooking at home it's eating [TS]

  healthier and saving money instead of [TS]

  ordering expensive unhealthy takeout [TS]

  every night but where do you start blue [TS]

  apron has you covered for less than ten [TS]

  dollars per meal they deliver all the [TS]

  fresh ingredients you need to create [TS]

  home-cooked meals just follow the easy [TS]

  step-by-step instructions they give you [TS]

  for each recipe with pictures of every [TS]

  step right on the recipe cards so you [TS]

  can see exactly what's supposed to look [TS]

  like it comes exactly the ingredients [TS]

  you need there's no like massive amount [TS]

  of extra like summer but you need to [TS]

  throw away in a week when it goes when [TS]

  it was rotten and regardless of your [TS]

  dietary preferences they have lots of [TS]

  options they make it a breeze to [TS]

  discover and prepare dishes right in [TS]

  your own kitchen so this week they have [TS]

  things like garganelli pasta and tomato [TS]

  sauce with fresh mozzarella and arugula [TS]

  orange salad that's all that's a [TS]

  mouthful literally texting and buffalo [TS]

  chicken sandwiches with endive and blue [TS]

  cheese salad also cook with ingredients [TS]

  that you've probably never used before [TS]

  like this week's poblano chili or baby [TS]

  bok choy or pearl onions now all these [TS]

  recipes are between 500 and 700 calories [TS]

  per portion so it's really delicious and [TS]

  good for you right now you can get your [TS]

  first two meals for free at blue apron [TS]

  calm / ATP that's blue apron calm / ATP [TS]

  blue apron a better way to cook i am [TS]

  still thinking about that time soup they [TS]

  had like two months ago [TS]

  man that was good yet you know it's [TS]

  funny you bring that up so as part of [TS]

  blue apron sponsoring us they gave us a [TS]

  few weeks of free meals and i have been [TS]

  wanting to try blue apron for the [TS]

  longest time it took us all of one week [TS]

  for Aaron and I to look at each other [TS]

  and say this might be worth it because [TS]

  this is really really really good [TS]

  and tonight we had korean and I'm a [TS]

  butcher this korean t och and spicy pork [TS]

  ragout and this was one of those things [TS]

  that it's not totally out of our comfort [TS]

  zone but not in our comfort zone if that [TS]

  makes sense and oh man was it really [TS]

  good [TS]

  and last week was our first week we had [TS]

  a few different things they were all [TS]

  good now I really i'm really loving [TS]

  brunette blue apron so far and I think [TS]

  it's a pretty much done deal that Aaron [TS]

  and I are going to end up signing up and [TS]

  actually using our own money to pay for [TS]

  it because it's awesome [TS]

  Casey we had the same dinner today did [TS]

  we all that's the likely i have the [TS]

  exact same thing at the exact same blue [TS]

  apron meal yeah did you like it I did it [TS]

  was one of my favorite ones that have [TS]

  had so far [TS]

  yes same here like it was one of those [TS]

  things where we were both like yeah [TS]

  we'll try it we'll see how it goes and [TS]

  then Aaron and I looked at each other [TS]

  after having had a few bright and we [TS]

  were like wow is this code you like we [TS]

  didn't expect it [TS]

  yeah you can i found that have not been [TS]

  able to predict like ahead of time which [TS]

  ones are going to like which ones are [TS]

  not going to mostly because I there you [TS]

  know there are so very big you really [TS]

  have no I have no like baseline to say [TS]

  well i like that i don't know I've never [TS]

  heard anything like that before and the [TS]

  other thing I'd add this is getting out [TS]

  of the everybody into like blue apron [TS]

  hacks I don't know if this thing that [TS]

  people do so say you sign up look blue [TS]

  apron and you do it for a while and it's [TS]

  like interesting it like one of the [TS]

  reasons I think you should do it even if [TS]

  you just do it for a short time is just [TS]

  to see you try a bunch of different [TS]

  foods or whatever and they give you like [TS]

  the given credence and they also give [TS]

  you like a no its you isn't always one [TS]

  page market now like a one-page thing on [TS]

  how to cook it that I've never seen it [TS]

  be more than one pic it's always but [TS]

  it's always one sheet of paper with [TS]

  about eight steps in the back right and [TS]

  it has the ingredients on the other side [TS]

  right well the front of it has like a [TS]

  big picture and a list of ingredients [TS]

  and the back of it has like like a two [TS]

  column grid of instructions with photos [TS]

  of each step right so when you're done [TS]

  with Ricky instead you decided not to [TS]

  pay for it anymore [TS]

  you still have all those recipes so if [TS]

  you liked one of them in theory you [TS]

  could go and make it yourself go buy the [TS]

  ingredients yourself me not going to get [TS]

  the perfect little portions the blue [TS]

  apron games you see often just the [TS]

  amount that maybe you have leftovers and [TS]

  maybe you will have that [TS]

  damn you know urban and the refrigerator [TS]

  but you can make these again yourself [TS]

  like there's no reason like if you find [TS]

  one that super favorite just add it to [TS]

  your collection of things that you [TS]

  regularly make for yourself [TS]

  yeah we've only been with blueprints for [TS]

  only six months now we've been a bit was [TS]

  long before they were sponsored we've [TS]

  been using them and we we've been doing [TS]

  that since the start we've collected all [TS]

  of our for all the recipes we like we [TS]

  just have this giant stack of the [TS]

  typically on a bookshelf [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah and it brought the [TS]

  problem i had i try want to make the [TS]

  awesome i think it's like chicken costly [TS]

  or something i'm sorry i forget i forget [TS]

  the name of it is but is this awesome [TS]

  chicken thai soup and I tried to go buy [TS]

  the ingredients for last week and just [TS]

  like my store had almost none of them [TS]

  but the lights i will be using it a long [TS]

  time and that that should tell you need [TS]

  to know I mean we keep using it what I [TS]

  like about it at this is way too long to [TS]

  respond to read but I'm sorry what I [TS]

  like about it is that with the reason we [TS]

  said we did it was that we don't like to [TS]

  have to think about like what are we [TS]

  making this week and then plan huge like [TS]

  that let we lasted like two weeks trying [TS]

  to do that and every six months we will [TS]

  try to do that again and we will just [TS]

  fail so soon afterwards they take all [TS]

  the decision-making advocates for it [TS]

  which is really nice when when you just [TS]

  don't want to have to make all of these [TS]

  decisions about what are we having every [TS]

  single night you know so it's really [TS]

  nice for that chatroom says the recipes [TS]

  are actually available online for free [TS]

  blue apron calm / cookbook and also [TS]

  their logo looks like totoro so there [TS]

  you go [TS]

  what market you're a spot right so all [TS]

  right so we should we we should do some [TS]

  follow-up and we have a fair bit so [TS]

  let's buckle up kids let's start with we [TS]

  talked about flex a little bit last [TS]

  episode in or maybe the episode 4 but [TS]

  regardless we got a lot of people [TS]

  writing in to ask have you tried infused [TS]

  for the apple TV and we'll have a link [TS]

  in the show notes the idea within infuse [TS]

  is that it's somewhat plex like in that [TS]

  it will autodiscover metadata about your [TS]

  your media collection so it will show [TS]

  you your list of movies with with movie [TS]

  posters and things of that nature but [TS]

  the real the real kick in the real the [TS]

  party trick that infuse has from what [TS]

  I've gathered is that it will actually [TS]

  do the transcoding on your device so [TS]

  really there's no [TS]

  there's no reason that you couldn't just [TS]

  sit a bunch of files on an undermanned [TS]

  on a underpowered synology and let [TS]

  infuse just look at it and then do the [TS]

  transcoding right on the appletv that is [TS]

  excellent and it sounds great i haven't [TS]

  tried it yet but it does sound good [TS]

  the problem I have with this though is [TS]

  that it doesn't solve a couple of the [TS]

  other problems that that I that flex [TS]

  does pics which is number one it doesn't [TS]

  give you external access to your media [TS]

  so one of the greatest pieces of plex is [TS]

  that you can get to your media from [TS]

  outside of your home if you set it up [TS]

  properly and secondly you can't share [TS]

  other people's libraries so like Marco [TS]

  and John and I we've all shared our [TS]

  libraries with each other so that Marco [TS]

  for example could stream one of the [TS]

  movies that i have been doing it all [TS]

  week him from my house to his house [TS]

  we've been watching through your top [TS]

  gear well right in the reason that [TS]

  hasn't worked for the last 24 hours is [TS]

  because I moved all my plex stuff to the [TS]

  imac that's now my trunk but anyway so [TS]

  yeah so it doesn't do that it doesn't do [TS]

  external access and doesn't sharing yeah [TS]

  I tried to infuse as soon as people [TS]

  suggested because i'll jump on top of [TS]

  anything like as soon as we talked about [TS]

  i don't know i was like many many shows [TS]

  are great if used by I immediately [TS]

  bought the ten-dollar like pro version [TS]

  whatever yes sure go come right now i'll [TS]

  give it a dry side on seeing you know [TS]

  because I got two recommendations from [TS]

  it from random strangers but the reason [TS]

  the whole reason i wanted it i'm trying [TS]

  to support the app economy the whole [TS]

  reason you're the one i had this file [TS]

  that i was trying to play that I had to [TS]

  eventually end up using my eyes when I [TS]

  use my imac is the flexor for because [TS]

  the imac is no problem transcoding it [TS]

  the Plex served from the imac to my [TS]

  appletv was the only thing that played [TS]

  this thing with all you know but played [TS]

  at all period but played smoothly and [TS]

  everything so i tried to use I mean look [TS]

  at those and that exact file which turns [TS]

  out is this is the info from mplayer so [TS]

  I don't know how to parse it but it's [TS]

  hevc which i think is h.264 particular [TS]

  profile 1920 x 1080 so 1080i don't know [TS]

  what I or pse misspeak it's a video file [TS]

  24 frames per second about 1,100 [TS]

  kilobits per second to track 48 [TS]

  kilohertz AAC audio [TS]

  the appletv can't play without [TS]

  stuttering so it's it's it's the it's in [TS]

  decoding on the device [TS]

  you can't handle this so i was sad [TS]

  because that was the one reason i bought [TS]

  it but aside from that it's a reasonable [TS]

  like wait like it Casey said if you have [TS]

  a whole bunch of folders full of video [TS]

  files sitting somewhere in your network [TS]

  this will go through the folders and [TS]

  play stuff for you and so I'm not sad [TS]

  that I partners that I am said that [TS]

  apparently their software combined with [TS]

  the wimpy eight relatively 28 cpu [TS]

  system-on-a-chip thing inside my appletv [TS]

  can't play this fairly demanding file [TS]

  and i already watched also i watch it on [TS]

  my iPad by the way what I did was I [TS]

  wanted to plex and finally I finally had [TS]

  to give in and say fine flex you can [TS]

  optimize this Court optimize it by Kyrie [TS]

  including into a smaller size and then I [TS]

  watched it on my TV and on my iPad over [TS]

  the course of a few days is that you [TS]

  said this was hevc video because that's [TS]

  h.265 that's kind of a big deal [TS]

  that's like that's it's very reasonable [TS]

  to not be strong enough to play that [TS]

  well that's probably doesn't have it [TS]

  doesn't have the hardware i was remember [TS]

  reading about some apple thing that [TS]

  actually has h.265 hardware but it isn't [TS]

  actually used but anyway yeah that would [TS]

  make sense in that like I infused [TS]

  probably does great because the aid has [TS]

  dedicated h.264 decode hardware but if [TS]

  it's not h.264 and instead of h.265 and [TS]

  is this magic doesn't have hardware for [TS]

  it or the hardware isn't enabled by [TS]

  apple's OS then you would have to be [TS]

  trying to draw on the cpu and I can [TS]

  understand why would choke to death [TS]

  yeah I'm i also should point out that [TS]

  just earlier today I listen to mac power [TS]

  users episode 2 99 which we will put a [TS]

  link in the show notes and if you've [TS]

  ever wanted a unbiased opinion about are [TS]

  certainly not by me opinion about plex [TS]

  if you've wondered how to get started [TS]

  with it if you've wondered what it what [TS]

  it brings to the table [TS]

  listen to back our users 299 is really [TS]

  great episode that goes on to all into [TS]

  plex [TS]

  so you should check that out here's one [TS]

  more drive-by complained about flex [TS]

  which I cannot believe that they don't [TS]

  do I just assume they did maybe I'm [TS]

  and yet so you you have a blog post [TS]

  where you can link in the show notes [TS]

  Casey about like introduction to plex [TS]

  that you did that a while ago like how [TS]

  to name your files linking to like the [TS]

  Plex file naming guide and figure out [TS]

  I'm like and I wondered when i read that [TS]

  the time like because I wasn't using [TS]

  flex that much like this seems weird me [TS]

  why is he doing this just because like [TS]

  if you want to have everything perfect [TS]

  just do it this way but like surely [TS]

  there's a feature in this thing where [TS]

  you can essentially just find some media [TS]

  that he didn't either a shrug your [TS]

  shoulders a tour has misidentified and [TS]

  say all you got it wrong and go in there [TS]

  and just type some random words in the [TS]

  search box until you find the surgeries [TS]

  all you want to go yes that one so like [TS]

  say you mislabeled star wars or [TS]

  something and it is confused about what [TS]

  it is you know I got well you don't know [TS]

  what this is because i have the the [TS]

  files named we're whatever so I'm just [TS]

  going to go in your search box and type [TS]

  star wars and see the 8000 results for [TS]

  star wars and find the one that is not [TS]

  the special edition but the original [TS]

  1977 version just click on that one so [TS]

  yeah this is that one is that feature [TS]

  not exist and flex it exists I can't [TS]

  find it does i can't find it [TS]

  I could swear it does but I can't walk [TS]

  you through where it is because my imac [TS]

  is too much fuckin money maybe I haven't [TS]

  found it yet but every time I go to edit [TS]

  the metadata it's like you know if I [TS]

  name the file then yeah we'll figure it [TS]

  out if I don't name the file right all i [TS]

  can do is like a pic cover art to stop [TS]

  it is totally wrong about the metadata I [TS]

  can't do a search and say surely the [TS]

  database that you are using has this [TS]

  metadata and that you're just not [TS]

  finding the right one [TS]

  so rather than me editing the individual [TS]

  mandate which I don't want to do I just [TS]

  want to say let me do a search of your [TS]

  big database cool stuff like a pretty [TS]

  broad search and let me pick the blob of [TS]

  metadata that I'm telling you is this [TS]

  one so that I can manually fix [TS]

  everything that I had like so that if I [TS]

  didn't know how to label like some you [TS]

  know special of a show like a christmas [TS]

  special the show that's not part of any [TS]

  particular season I didn't know the [TS]

  secret season 0 weird you know [TS]

  convention they have to be like oh well [TS]

  let me just do a chronological certain [TS]

  search of the most recent episodes from [TS]

  this series and i will find whatever [TS]

  blob of metadata corresponds to this and [TS]

  then click on it will automatically [TS]

  label it's like season 0 I would never [TS]

  figure that out my [TS]

  anyway we still still working through my [TS]

  expertise [TS]

  yeah you know the thing with flexes its [TS]

  very opinionated about file names and [TS]

  file conventions but once you understand [TS]

  its opinions it's actually very simple [TS]

  to to work with and that's what my blog [TS]

  post was about i am almost positive the [TS]

  feature that you're talking about John [TS]

  about fixing mismatches i'm almost sure [TS]

  it's there but i don't want to say that [TS]

  for certainty because i can't try it [TS]

  right now because again my plex server [TS]

  is currently in the trunk of my car [TS]

  yeah i'll keep looking for it but uh the [TS]

  the thing with the opinionated naming [TS]

  its opinions are wrong so I refuse to [TS]

  comply I know the name is he may have [TS]

  read the documentation but there's no [TS]

  way in hell I'm putting a year in [TS]

  parenthesis at the end of my movies or [TS]

  television shows no and I object to [TS]

  season 0 I don't like for the record [TS]

  season 04 for TV shows and specials so [TS]

  like the top your polar special for [TS]

  example would be a season 0 entry anyway [TS]

  uh we have a fair bit of feedback about [TS]

  Swift and default final and and i'm [TS]

  stunned I'm flabbergasted [TS]

  it appears that Marco has done some [TS]

  homework and put something in the show [TS]

  notes I flat an email yeah wow yeah i [TS]

  hit three keys to make this happen [TS]

  are you okay do you feel right no all [TS]

  right so this was a feedback from nick [TS]

  my caucus from a longer email is very [TS]

  thoughtful memory just a quote here he [TS]

  says we're talking about Swift basically [TS]

  having having classes be default final [TS]

  as as a proposed change the language [TS]

  during the revolution that's kind of a [TS]

  debate raging on right now and this [TS]

  would mean basically that by default [TS]

  classes could be subclassed that you [TS]

  could supply seems to exist in the [TS]

  language but rather but the default [TS]

  unless the class was specially marked [TS]

  with whatever keyword would say you know [TS]

  extensible or whatever that the default [TS]

  will be u cant some class things so nick [TS]

  says the late eighties and early [TS]

  nineties with the heyday for [TS]

  object-oriented programming language [TS]

  designed in that time like c++ get to [TS]

  see in Java it was taken as a given that [TS]

  subclassing was a good thing and should [TS]

  be used pervasively however a couple of [TS]

  decades of experiences with such [TS]

  languages has led to two key insight i [TS]

  think we've learned as an industry the [TS]

  first met in order to write classes that [TS]

  can be robustly extended through [TS]

  inheritance allowing both the base and [TS]

  derived classes to evolve with minimal [TS]

  risk of breaking each other [TS]

  see also the fragile base class problem [TS]

  careful consideration should be given at [TS]

  the time the classes designed and [TS]

  written i think this argues for default [TS]

  close [TS]

  I think we've learned even more [TS]

  important lesson though which is the [TS]

  class inheritance should be thought of [TS]

  as a limited tool to solve a prescribed [TS]

  set of problems not a general mechanism [TS]

  for code reuse so this makes a lot of [TS]

  sense to me like this i totally agree [TS]

  with Nick you know I I think I i kinda [TS]

  breeze by Latin we talked about this [TS]

  last week a quick statement basically [TS]

  saying like I think we've seen a lot of [TS]

  anti-patterns and and dysfunction that [TS]

  subclassing everywhere can bring and [TS]

  some of the challenges of bringing some [TS]

  other i think i agree that that you know [TS]

  what we've seen is that it basically [TS]

  shouldn't be the default thats [TS]

  everywhere and the java people will will [TS]

  have to find a different way to program [TS]

  i guess and and they can take it and the [TS]

  PHP people have to find something to [TS]

  copy it was actually a pretty pretty old [TS]

  no-good of wisdom the whole that the the [TS]

  downsides of subclassing and you can [TS]

  tell it's old because objective-c is in [TS]

  many ways a reaction to it objective-c [TS]

  is like nineteen eighty nine ish like it [TS]

  is itself a very old language and not [TS]

  objective c so much more like the [TS]

  frameworks built on a napkin or whatever [TS]

  it was called I think maybe was always [TS]

  called app but anyway the next the next [TS]

  step frameworks especially the UI [TS]

  frameworks use delegation a lot a lot [TS]

  more than contemporary frameworks for [TS]

  doing similar things that were all about [TS]

  subclassing they were either you know [TS]

  functional much because they don't have [TS]

  object classes at all or they were [TS]

  enamored of the idea of subclassing but [TS]

  the next api's and frameworks heavily [TS]

  used the delegation patterns to avoid [TS]

  subclassing to say this is a better way [TS]

  that way we have understandable [TS]

  individual objects that just use each [TS]

  other to do things and the way you alter [TS]

  behavior is by giving it a different [TS]

  delegate I mean how that's essentially [TS]

  Marco correct me if I'm wrong [TS]

  the the next equivalent of like you know [TS]

  you don't write a main routine there is [TS]

  a main routine obviously but your app [TS]

  delegate is basically your application [TS]

  am I am i correct in my vague [TS]

  understanding of the cocoa frameworks [TS]

  yeah you don't subclass your application [TS]

  like you right you provide a delegate [TS]

  that conforms to the protocol and you [TS]

  get messages delivered there [TS]

  and if you don't pay attention that [TS]

  blows over time and eventually all of [TS]

  the code in your app is in the app [TS]

  delegate well then that's like reading [TS]

  all your coat and main like a rookie [TS]

  mistake but yeah but yeah but like so [TS]

  even even like the the very simplest [TS]

  starting point of your program is done [TS]

  through delegation and lots of the UI [TS]

  frameworks are done through delegation [TS]

  because and then you know delegation [TS]

  eventually not not specific delegation [TS]

  but I trying to avoid inheritance can [TS]

  lead you to a sort of be the inversion [TS]

  of control pattern which kind of weird [TS]

  nasty speaking of java where you're [TS]

  trying to use composition instead of [TS]

  inheritance but you want to give people [TS]

  access to the different pieces they get [TS]

  composed into the hole and so your [TS]

  entire program is dictating what things [TS]

  are composed into what to get your [TS]

  classes the parts we need to go anyway [TS]

  any any sort of program code reuse [TS]

  essentially technology a code reuse [TS]

  technique whether its inheritance of [TS]

  delegation or composition or any other [TS]

  patterns in the little bit pattern books [TS]

  can go awry but i think pretty early on [TS]

  in the history of your program the [TS]

  downsides of inheritance were clear and [TS]

  anything that came after that sort of [TS]

  understanding has tried to do something [TS]

  different including the things that were [TS]

  the precursors to the frameworks that [TS]

  apple now uses but we were talking about [TS]

  in the context of like even a napkin you [TS]

  like it and all these frameworks that [TS]

  use delegation patterns as application [TS]

  programmers often you subclass either [TS]

  because that's the intended use of the [TS]

  things still in some cases or because [TS]

  you like that thing but you just wanted [TS]

  to be a little bit different or you need [TS]

  to just ride this bitch is out you know [TS]

  like because it's possible it is a tool [TS]

  that's in the tool belt of programmers [TS]

  to get what they want and frameworks [TS]

  whether or not the framework really ever [TS]

  intended you to subclass that thing [TS]

  yep alright so another thing that was [TS]

  written in andrea's hartal mom he made [TS]

  some great points about mocking using [TS]

  Swift he said there's another unforeseen [TS]

  consequence of going final by default [TS]

  test that could have used mocks to [TS]

  ensure their framework method is was [TS]

  called can't do that anymore this is [TS]

  because much reliance subclassing to [TS]

  replace all API functionality with no [TS]

  ops i'm not going to get into what [TS]

  marketing is if you're not familiar with [TS]

  it but suffice to say that [TS]

  the last couple of years I've really [TS]

  gotten into unit testing like formal [TS]

  unit testing and mocking is kind of your [TS]

  path to happiness there and it's what [TS]

  really made me understand why do for [TS]

  designing two interfaces or protocols if [TS]

  you will is really kind of the right [TS]

  idea and that's that's that's not an [TS]

  insignificant problem if this is the way [TS]

  that Swift goes so I thought that was [TS]

  very very astute point it seems like [TS]

  it's not a significant problem to me [TS]

  because I assume there would always be a [TS]

  compiler mode that says disregard the [TS]

  final keyword you know me like fruits [TS]

  for when you when you run your unit [TS]

  tests don't see anything up his final [TS]

  because it shouldn't it shouldn't affect [TS]

  functionality it maybe you disable some [TS]

  optimizations and maybe you wouldn't [TS]

  have a bug for bug compatible thing in [TS]

  terms of maybe like a bug in the [TS]

  compiler that causes the optimization [TS]

  goes the ride but it seems trivial to me [TS]

  to have a compiler option that says you [TS]

  just ignore final entirely like don't [TS]

  see a lot of any classes or change the [TS]

  default is or something like that that [TS]

  allows you to mock in your unit tests [TS]

  yeah yeah that's an interesting point I [TS]

  don't know how that that would be [TS]

  handled moving on Neal Cronin was one of [TS]

  the few people to write in and point out [TS]

  the error in what I or potentially earn [TS]

  what I'd said i don't recall exactly how [TS]

  i phrase things but it sounds like I [TS]

  probably got a little wrong I'm he [TS]

  pointed out that C sharp methods are [TS]

  final by default but classes or not and [TS]

  so I think I might have interspersed [TS]

  classes and methods a little bit last [TS]

  episode but to be absolutely clear [TS]

  classes are not final by default but [TS]

  methods are so that's my bad on that [TS]

  will have a link in the show notes to [TS]

  that also a chris d i'm not gonna even [TS]

  try to pronounce your surname i come [TS]

  back and i go with some back [TS]

  ok you go i pointed out that you can do [TS]

  something like final objective c with a [TS]

  couple of the [TS]

  fancy compiler directives you put enough [TS]

  underscores and anything is possible c [TS]

  c++ underscore underscore attribute [TS]

  underscore underscore double open paren [TS]

  zob see subclassing restricted double [TS]

  close parenthese yes there are so many [TS]

  attributes you can add you can annotate [TS]

  all your things with no ability [TS]

  information for this with bridging and [TS]

  you can say objective-c subclassing [TS]

  restricted that's from jesse Squires [TS]

  gave that little attribute yikes [TS]

  goodness [TS]

  alright and then one of you guys wanted [TS]

  to talk about rust vs Swift vs go [TS]

  yeah those me uh the rest people have [TS]

  come out to defend the honor of their [TS]

  language and to differentiate it from [TS]

  those other things go and switch we're [TS]

  talking about the languages that are [TS]

  kind of in a little group of these [TS]

  static compiled languages with an eye [TS]

  towards being a better c++ without all [TS]

  the downsides c or c++ you know things [TS]

  like Swift essentially and Benjamin sog [TS]

  oh yes points out that rust I mean you [TS]

  mentioned the show but his amp has [TS]

  emphasized by a lot of people trust is [TS]

  not garbage collected going to go use [TS]

  the garbage collector runtime Swift of [TS]

  course uses reference counting that [TS]

  means their programs you can write [TS]

  address that you couldn't write and [TS]

  Swift ago such as graphics intensive [TS]

  game a browser enter an OS device driver [TS]

  or a garbage collector or anything that [TS]

  has to interact with the language that [TS]

  has its own garbage collector now I [TS]

  would imagine the Swift people at the [TS]

  very least would object to the idea that [TS]

  you can't write a graphics intensive [TS]

  game [TS]

  game [TS]

  aim your browser engine or no it's [TS]

  because of the state of goals of Swift [TS]

  oh yeah and i would even object to his [TS]

  characterization of garbage pile of [TS]

  reference counting as a form of garbage [TS]

  collection I don't think I don't think I [TS]

  agree with that but he's talking about [TS]

  is like a my understanding and I'm sure [TS]

  we'll get more email about this breasts [TS]

  because I have enough on my homework is [TS]

  that the way rest gets around not having [TS]

  a garbage collector and not doing [TS]

  reference counting is at compile-time it [TS]

  figures out the the what it has to do [TS]

  with memory rather than a Triton you [TS]

  know another was not like that the dance [TS]

  competition you know we know it's like [TS]

  it's some point you have to go wander [TS]

  all of your stuff and clean out the [TS]

  garbage and that takes time and even if [TS]

  you do another thread that some point [TS]

  you may need to pause the the the [TS]

  program and if you don't need deposit [TS]

  you have a pause for garbage like [TS]

  there's always some kind of overhead of [TS]

  having to do the garbage collection at [TS]

  while your program is running and the [TS]

  sweat solution and the vector Susan [TS]

  solution for that matter what the [TS]

  solution is figure out what you do use [TS]

  reference counting to figure out when [TS]

  things aren't needed anymore and put the [TS]

  reference count put the stuff that deals [TS]

  with the reference counted in line with [TS]

  your program so while your program is [TS]

  running it will do this thing to this [TS]

  thing increments record try and do this [TS]

  thing to this thing this thing decrement [TS]

  this reference count like market goes to [TS]

  0 you can you know get rid of that [TS]

  memory and you know so it's it's in line [TS]

  in your program its actual code [TS]

  execution is not another thread running [TS]

  a garbage collector or anything like [TS]

  that it's like it's as if you had [TS]

  written in your program in c policy [TS]

  running Malcolm free right you know when [TS]

  you can free the memory because that's [TS]

  when you write the free thing and you [TS]

  know when you're allocating memory right [TS]

  Malik and you have to figure out you [TS]

  know it's it's reference counting but [TS]

  it's in line and so in some code you [TS]

  don't want this bookkeeping of [TS]

  incrementing and decrementing this [TS]

  number to keep track of how many [TS]

  references there are you just don't like [TS]

  when you're writing the the kernel of an [TS]

  operating system and see most of the [TS]

  time you're not implementing your [TS]

  reference counting system you're just [TS]

  putting that the malakin right place and [TS]

  putting three is in the right place or [TS]

  if you're in a particular part of the [TS]

  colonel you can use my locker free [TS]

  you've got to do everything with wire [TS]

  down memory and so you can't have [TS]

  anything having to you know like it's [TS]

  not it's not appropriate to have [TS]

  automated memory management in that way [TS]

  i would imagine the answer Swift is that [TS]

  you can write those parts of the program [TS]

  if you understand enough out about us [TS]

  with managers memory even though you [TS]

  don't see any of the memory management [TS]

  you can do it in such a way that you [TS]

  know that all of the silly reference [TS]

  counting increment decrement stuff will [TS]

  be removed by the optimizer as no ops [TS]

  because you know exactly how you know [TS]

  how things are going to get sorted out [TS]

  and this thing will run straight through [TS]

  without any memory access stuff but [TS]

  still rust is heavily focused on the [TS]

  idea that it does not use a garbage [TS]

  collector and it doesn't use reference [TS]

  counting so it's really trying to be [TS]

  like c and c++ they both of them do not [TS]

  have garbage collections and they don't [TS]

  use reference count unless you read it [TS]

  yourself so Russ is definitely a closer [TS]

  closer match to a replacement for those [TS]

  programs and I right do believe that [TS]

  there are probably some programs [TS]

  especially now with such as young it is [TS]

  that could be written in rust that could [TS]

  not be written as efficiently and Swift [TS]

  but long-term that I think that will be [TS]

  quite a battle all right anything else [TS]

  about Swift please know right how about [TS]

  a magsafe and USB seaports last episode [TS]

  i think we're talking about the macbook [TS]

  one connector with that magsafe adapter [TS]

  that fits in little USBC port on the [TS]

  side and whether it was really necessary [TS]

  none of us had macbook ones that we had [TS]

  tripped over or yanked the cord out of [TS]

  and I said I thought that nobody had [TS]

  done that experiment well one freshman [TS]

  could do the experiment but did delve [TS]

  into the science behind USBC connector [TS]

  and to try to figure out with thought [TS]

  experiment and some basic physics [TS]

  calculations and some numbers from the [TS]

  USB spec what would happen if you [TS]

  tripped over a macbook one chord it was [TS]

  plugged in as compared to what would [TS]

  happen if it had a maximum connector and [TS]

  the conclusion of this article which [TS]

  again is an older article might have [TS]

  been even before the macro without but [TS]

  had been announced obviously was that I [TS]

  your laptop will fall on the ground then [TS]

  yes you totally can pull a macbook one [TS]

  off the surface onto the ground by [TS]

  tripping over the cord just based on the [TS]

  forces involved and the speed of the [TS]

  banking and the angle and all these [TS]

  other things you can read the article to [TS]

  find out [TS]

  perhaps not as good as actually doing [TS]

  the experiment perhaps not as good as a [TS]

  bunch of people home macbook ones having [TS]

  their children tripped over the cord and [TS]

  find out what happens but so far no one [TS]

  has written in about that happening so [TS]

  all we have is this speculation by glenn [TS]

  fleischmann there you go there's an [TS]

  answer [TS]

  alright and why don't you tell us about [TS]

  up there and whether or not they use AWS [TS]

  yeah just a quick follow-up last time [TS]

  someone it's a used AWS and up there [TS]

  replied and Twitter no we don't we host [TS]

  our own stuff and so a couple people [TS]

  went back and forth and we're trying to [TS]

  figure out well then why is up there [TS]

  connecting to AWS and theory was that it [TS]

  was because of crashlytics was a crash [TS]

  reporting thing and up there confirmed [TS]

  they do use graphics and crashlytics [TS]

  said if you use graphics you will [TS]

  connect AWS so there's your answer to [TS]

  why up there is connected w assets for [TS]

  crashlytics excellent that's the magic [TS]

  of twitter by the way we're like random [TS]

  podcast that we do random listen to the [TS]

  podcast use some use little snitch [TS]

  software to say they saw connecting AWS [TS]

  then the three companies that replied 3 [TS]

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  so you went to a tech talk yeah i went [TS]

  yesterday to the appletv tech-talk in [TS]

  New York so the tech talks are basically [TS]

  Apple goes around the country with the [TS]

  developer relations team not maybe not [TS]

  every year maybe every couple years it [TS]

  depends when they can do it but they [TS]

  basically said the team around kind of [TS]

  as like a halfway point between wwd seas [TS]

  and they put on these these little like [TS]

  it's basically a one-day mini wdc that [TS]

  is usually focused on just one [TS]

  relatively new platform so i went to a [TS]

  few years ago just for iOS i believe [TS]

  last year no matter and watch when I [TS]

  forget but this year doing appletv Tech [TS]

  Talks and so it's it's free and one day [TS]

  you sign up you just picked by lottery [TS]

  and it's all it's not a bunch of cities [TS]

  around the world and you just go into my [TS]

  co you know like a hotel you know [TS]

  meeting room or whatever like it looks [TS]

  exactly like many WTC it'sit's great and [TS]

  very well presented your high-quality [TS]

  presentations but only like a few [TS]

  hundred people in attendance rather than [TS]

  5,000 in the giant Moscow new center so [TS]

  like it's it's a nice small scale you [TS]

  actually have to like talk to the apple [TS]

  people and meet other developers on and [TS]

  on a nicer smaller shorter and way less [TS]

  expensive scale so i went and it was [TS]

  great I I still and not [TS]

  entirely convinced i want to be [TS]

  developing for the apple TV yet i would [TS]

  like to do it sometime [TS]

  I'm not sure that time is now I'm very [TS]

  excited to develop for it i just don't [TS]

  know I i don't i'm not seeing the the [TS]

  market demand for it yet really [TS]

  so if you really want overcast on the [TS]

  appletv I guess let me know but but i [TS]

  I've right now I haven't I just haven't [TS]

  heard from people who really want that [TS]

  and other things i think there are more [TS]

  important for now but I I do look [TS]

  forward to it is a great platform be [TS]

  like that the talks are with the talks [TS]

  were all about basically video playback [TS]

  and games like that was like the main [TS]

  areas they focused on because that is [TS]

  what the apple TV is best at video [TS]

  playback and games as an audio only [TS]

  podcast app I'm not sure there's much [TS]

  for me to do there besides get people's [TS]

  audio into their like home theater [TS]

  systems which people do occasionally [TS]

  request but doesn't seem as much there's [TS]

  much demand for me there but we will see [TS]

  iOS 9.3 and TV OS whatever is it might [TS]

  also point three the the new beta that [TS]

  we talked about they added a podcast app [TS]

  like their own a podcast app finally so [TS]

  I guess we'll see like if a lot of [TS]

  people use that and start hearing people [TS]

  saying I i switch back to the podcast [TS]

  app so i could play my appletv like it [TS]

  that if that happens a lot i will [TS]

  definitely respond to that and i'll make [TS]

  it happen but I I don't I I think [TS]

  eventually it might but I don't think [TS]

  the times yet so I guess we'll see if [TS]

  you're like somebody who makes the app [TS]

  for a video owner like like a lot of [TS]

  people there i talk to like they're they [TS]

  were like the iOS programmer on iOS [TS]

  programming team for a TV network or [TS]

  something like that like you know where [TS]

  that makes sense like for them to be [TS]

  making apps that makes total sense but [TS]

  for me I'm not sure makes sense it but [TS]

  we'll see anyway so i think we should [TS]

  honestly talked about iOS 9.3 what do [TS]

  there's a just going to second your [TS]

  endorsement of tech talks I've only been [TS]

  to one but it was a there was always [TS]

  that is like a little mini WWDC a worse [TS]

  venue [TS]

  yeah it but it's free and it's one day [TS]

  it's great with slightly slightly worse [TS]

  food obviously the food here script was [TS]

  better by a lot but things have changed [TS]

  i guess probably depends on the hotel [TS]

  like maybe have to use the hotels [TS]

  catering but the 1i went to was that is [TS]

  terrible little box lunches which [TS]

  granted the box on his WBC aren't that [TS]

  great either but these are even worse [TS]

  but notice we have like we had a hapa [TS]

  faith and and I mean it helped i didn't [TS]

  i didn't even try the coffee because [TS]

  there was a Catholic grumpy downstairs [TS]

  so I just went to the cafe grumpy cat [TS]

  excellent coffee there anyway so yeah [TS]

  9.3 so this was weird very weird Monday [TS]

  yesterday for anyway this week earlier [TS]

  this week Apple unveiled a a page on [TS]

  their website called iOS 9.3 preview so [TS]

  and they released a I guess beta 1 or [TS]

  anything like that but they release beta [TS]

  1 of iOS 9.3 whatever version of watch I [TS]

  think corresponds to that and then TV OS [TS]

  the same you know whatever version [TS]

  corresponds to that and so if there's a [TS]

  few very interesting about this so first [TS]

  of all apple has never given like this [TS]

  like public route public unveiling of a [TS]

  beta OS before and in a marketing way [TS]

  they do and i was ten my get a certain [TS]

  point in the OS 10 beta release cycle [TS]

  for many many years now they've had a [TS]

  page it's basically apple.com / OS with [TS]

  relax / preview or some other word and [TS]

  that shows you the features of the [TS]

  upcoming as yet unreleased this even [TS]

  before they have the public business [TS]

  they wouldn't do it for the very first [TS]

  build very often they wait until like it [TS]

  was a WC now somebody would have an [TS]

  entire section of their site dedicated [TS]

  to the OS that you cannot yet download [TS]

  the weird thing for iOS is I don't know [TS]

  they've ever done for iOS don't pay that [TS]

  much attention but they did it but [TS]

  pretty much simultaneously with the beta [TS]

  released to developers so it's not like [TS]

  developers would go to a public website [TS]

  to see the features of the baby that you [TS]

  can adjust able to download now [TS]

  yeah but it'sit's great i mean and you [TS]

  know what would usually happen in the [TS]

  past iOS is like the baby would come out [TS]

  and then immediately all the rumor sites [TS]

  have people digging through it and then [TS]

  like within hours of being released [TS]

  rumors that have like 10 articles about [TS]

  each little minor change somewhere in [TS]

  the settings screen or and after Newt [TS]

  week or whatever so it was like so this [TS]

  makes sense of the way for Apple [TS]

  basically just kinda own that and [TS]

  control the message and and have you [TS]

  have it be a proper [TS]

  marketing handling of this kind of event [TS]

  rather than just letting the rumor try [TS]

  to dictate everything so that's good you [TS]

  know it's it's kinda like legalizing pot [TS]

  it's like if you want to like discourage [TS]

  the bad behavior like just kept you take [TS]

  take away the value you know the apple [TS]

  just here here's everything is new here [TS]

  you go you know [TS]

  well not everything that's no I still [TS]

  hope that I assume the rumor sight sound [TS]

  all that is that little change that [TS]

  setting screen apples not going to put [TS]

  it on their giant preview page with the [TS]

  wife is just label of how much data is [TS]

  used [TS]

  yeah or stuff like that like there's [TS]

  still plenty of fodder for oversized [TS]

  into but they hit the highlights yet but [TS]

  it all yeah it's plenty of boring father [TS]

  and for them to dig into an apple [TS]

  wow that's that's that's their core the [TS]

  core audience needs to know tell me [TS]

  every screen that changed it ain't the [TS]

  spacing on this label one of one of the [TS]

  most high profile changes they've made [TS]

  is called nightshift and apple is the [TS]

  very first people to ever come up with [TS]

  this idea of changing the color balance [TS]

  on your display changing the white [TS]

  balance so that it's cool cool [TS]

  temperature and what we consider now to [TS]

  be neutral during the day and then at [TS]

  night it's slowly changes to a warmer [TS]

  color temperature so you don't have your [TS]

  eyes be shown blue light that keeps you [TS]

  awake and makes you sleep worse so it's [TS]

  slowly warms cold temperature on the [TS]

  display until you go to bed and then [TS]

  change the time at the next day I wish [TS]

  this is available on my mac at 44 years [TS]

  I've wanted something like this and no [TS]

  one has ever thought of it before with [TS]

  only your tone of voice makes me think [TS]

  you suddenly support patents [TS]

  yeah a lot of people that before but you [TS]

  can't like in ideas out there for [TS]

  anybody to take so I really hope I i [TS]

  forgot i even did have a pattern or [TS]

  whatever but this is not this is an [TS]

  obvious enough idea that I would not [TS]

  call this is sherlock and I would not [TS]

  call this a case for apple is taking it [TS]

  an application wholesale like you know [TS]

  well they want an application and making [TS]

  their own equivalent his name his name [TS]

  based on the same themes the original [TS]

  application looks like the other [TS]

  application that works like they're this [TS]

  is not an application this is a fairly [TS]

  simple idea that was not invented i'm [TS]

  sure by the creators of the flex [TS]

  application that you're referring to [TS]

  yes yeah totally okay with Apple taking [TS]

  because it's a good idea and I [TS]

  don't think anyone should know that idea [TS]

  even if someone actually does well i [TS]

  think i might disagree with both of [TS]

  those points but so let's so yeah I was [TS]

  being sarcastic obviously what we're [TS]

  talking about is there's been this [TS]

  application called flux felt fwx and [TS]

  it's been available on computers like [TS]

  forever and and they had like an iOS [TS]

  kind of hack version where like you [TS]

  couldn't they couldn't put in the app [TS]

  store so they did like a silent where [TS]

  you could download like a binary library [TS]

  in with a project into Xcode and have it [TS]

  installed into your phone and they did [TS]

  this back in november and it got [TS]

  thousands or millions of it there are [TS]

  tons of downloads and then on houses on [TS]

  member 12 2 months ago they said hey [TS]

  they posted saying that Apple had [TS]

  contacted them and had said that the the [TS]

  iOS download of their of their kind of [TS]

  side loaded app here was in violation of [TS]

  developer agreement and so this method [TS]

  of install is no longer available [TS]

  Apple has indicated this should not [TS]

  continue so they don't really say like [TS]

  if Apple like legally threaten them or [TS]

  anything because technically they could [TS]

  have continued to distribute it probably [TS]

  and so this was all just two months ago [TS]

  and then all of a sudden now in what is [TS]

  the next major iOS feature update that [TS]

  next update has a feature that is a [TS]

  direct copy of what this does [TS]

  so I wonder if there's actually if they [TS]

  actually made some kind of small deal [TS]

  where maybe Apple said like we don't [TS]

  want you doing this [TS]

  shut it down and we're gonna do it [TS]

  ourselves and we won't sue you or shut [TS]

  it down will give you a small amount of [TS]

  money and we'll do it ourselves and you [TS]

  won't say anything you know that it's [TS]

  probably something like that but the [TS]

  only reason we have to give him some [TS]

  money is if they have a super dumb [TS]

  patent on this idea right there's two [TS]

  separate issues here one being mean to [TS]

  the makers of flux and not letting them [TS]

  use sideloading to this not lying side [TS]

  loading at all like that's all separate [TS]

  issue of like a apple why is the only [TS]

  way to be able to get application of [TS]

  devices to the appstore what about a way [TS]

  that you won't complain about that [TS]

  expert users can use not all people are [TS]

  going to use it no one's going to [TS]

  download [TS]

  skoda build their own thing inside like [TS]

  only you know only the nerds are going [TS]

  to do a why not just let that go [TS]

  that is a separate issue the separate [TS]

  issue from is it ok for Apple to take [TS]

  this idea that again i think the [TS]

  metroplex probably did not invent I of [TS]

  changing the color temperature display [TS]

  based on the time of day and incorporate [TS]

  that into their OS for those their most [TS]

  popular platform that seems like a [TS]

  no-brainer slam dunk in the only thing [TS]

  that Apple trip across is if someone has [TS]

  a super dumb patent on have to pay [TS]

  somebody for I had no idea about those [TS]

  the galleries but i think the whole [TS]

  system as well as stupid I'm totally [TS]

  okay with Apple incorporating this idea [TS]

  because it's a good idea and because [TS]

  nobody should on this idea I first of [TS]

  all I i think the way they're doing it [TS]

  just the timing of this and the way they [TS]

  came down so hard on flux and then [TS]

  immediately made their own thing I think [TS]

  that that makes apple look like a jerk [TS]

  really make their own thing or what they [TS]

  already making it to have they aren't [TS]

  like how long is this feature been you [TS]

  know again fluxes an old application and [TS]

  they're probably applications before but [TS]

  i don't think the timing is they saw [TS]

  people sideloading flux and then they [TS]

  said all we got to get on that and [TS]

  decided to add the feature it seems like [TS]

  the type of thing that might have been [TS]

  in the works for a while but who knows [TS]

  honestly i disagree i think it's exactly [TS]

  it's it's a simple enough feature that [TS]

  is exactly what probably happened [TS]

  alright guys so even if they did it what [TS]

  then what difference does it make like [TS]

  the someone saw the idea this is this is [TS]

  a thing that users want again separate [TS]

  from the notion of telling flux we can't [TS]

  do it because that I agree is kind of [TS]

  turkey and annoying right [TS]

  teleflex they can't do it is separate [TS]

  from the idea of well it's a good idea [TS]

  we should build and because that's [TS]

  exactly how they should work if there's [TS]

  something that's a really popular idea [TS]

  that is very much a system-level thing [TS]

  which i'm amazed the fuck could even do [TS]

  what they did because it seemed so much [TS]

  like a system-level thing right that [TS]

  should be built in the operating system [TS]

  and how do you find those things you [TS]

  think of them yourself or you see that [TS]

  there's lots of user demand for this [TS]

  type of thing a lot of people are [TS]

  interested in this feature we should [TS]

  build it into the stupid OS and so they [TS]

  do like I'm not saying Apple shouldn't [TS]

  have been allowed to do this or that [TS]

  they shouldn't even made me I'm not even [TS]

  saying they shouldn't have done it but [TS]

  the the the timing of it the way they [TS]

  did it and the timing of it i think is [TS]

  distasteful and and makes them look [TS]

  pretty jerky I i disagree i don't think [TS]

  they look any more or less like the [TS]

  jerks the thing that makes them look [TS]

  like jerks is not letting them sideload [TS]

  incorporating the future they always [TS]

  make them look like smart OS spenders [TS]

  don't think it makes them look like [TS]

  jerks i don't think there's any time I [TS]

  don't think they even said I we exactly [TS]

  copied this we were inspired by flux and [TS]

  if they came out publicly and said the [TS]

  story you're surmising is true i still [TS]

  think that would be fine because I think [TS]

  that like that's this is a consequence [TS]

  of the idea that people not owning ideas [TS]

  like you want people not on ideas but it [TS]

  still seems distasteful to you that [TS]

  someone came up with this thing and that [TS]

  like the day you know immediately copied [TS]

  it from them it's not there's nothing [TS]

  you know it's they didn't own it its [TS]

  it's the transfer of ideas is the reason [TS]

  the reason I at least mm against pats is [TS]

  the idea that someone will have an idea [TS]

  another person will hear that idea and [TS]

  said that's a good idea and take that [TS]

  idea and run with it and like it's not [TS]

  there's 22 own and there's no copying [TS]

  going on it to share anyway whatever [TS]

  hippie-dippie stuff i should point out [TS]

  like I did a very similar feature [TS]

  instapaper like five years ago [TS]

  look it's like this is not new it's not [TS]

  like i said it's not it's not a new idea [TS]

  to computing is not a new idea to like [TS]

  non computing related lights like the [TS]

  whole white theoretical is probably some [TS]

  study many many many years ago about the [TS]

  color temperature and light if I can [TS]

  sleep patterns that all this is spun out [TS]

  from but yeah like I don't and that's [TS]

  why I fear if I remember I don't know if [TS]

  someone send us the link i fear that [TS]

  flux actually does have a patent is [TS]

  because seriously like it should not be [TS]

  not be patentable period and even under [TS]

  the the route the rules are current [TS]

  patent system has been rejected based on [TS]

  prior art but you know I've never had [TS]

  doesn't do anything but anyway so I do [TS]

  want to get into slightly a discussion [TS]

  of the the assumption or the scientific [TS]

  basis of this so so first of all the [TS]

  just to clarify when we say change the [TS]

  color temperature for anybody who [TS]

  doesn't know if you ever seen somebody [TS]

  by a CFL or LED light bulb that looks [TS]

  really blue when you put in the house [TS]

  especially at night but this is kind or [TS]

  if you have one that was like way too [TS]

  yellow or orange your kind of seeing [TS]

  that seeing the issues of color balance [TS]

  in our expectations so basically in the [TS]

  middle today during daylight daylight [TS]

  colored light is you know more more [TS]

  towards that the blue end of the color [TS]

  balance spectrum the way we could only [TS]

  think about it and then at night things [TS]

  like fires and cold streetlights [TS]

  and incandescent bulbs those we think of [TS]

  as as I especially like the bulbs we [TS]

  think i was making like white light but [TS]

  in reality it's really most it's more [TS]

  it's more yellow tinted then daylight is [TS]

  and so are our eyes adjust for this [TS]

  camera just for that's what this is [TS]

  about white balances and cameras our [TS]

  eyes adjust for this and so we think [TS]

  we're sitting in a room lit by slightly [TS]

  yellow incandescent lights in you know [TS]

  at nighttime when it's dark outside [TS]

  we don't think of it as being a yellow [TS]

  light we think of it as being a neutral [TS]

  white light but then if you see [TS]

  something that is neutral color like [TS]

  daylight it looks blue to you by [TS]

  comparison because you aren't you [TS]

  adjusted to that are you anyway the the [TS]

  the principle behind this is that your [TS]

  computer screens they don't change their [TS]

  color tone without this you know they [TS]

  don't change their color tone throughout [TS]

  the day so that what looks like a [TS]

  neutral white color balance during the [TS]

  day on a computer screen does look [TS]

  bluish and/or you know 22 bright it [TS]

  could be perceived as its kind of tricky [TS]

  but you know it looks like too harsh or [TS]

  too blue or too bright in like a [TS]

  dimly-lit nighttime room for the most [TS]

  part and and the idea here is that this [TS]

  can confuse your body into into not [TS]

  preparing for sleep or not not sleeping [TS]

  as well or something like that and I've [TS]

  looked into I've tried to see what the [TS]

  scientific basis for this is because the [TS]

  idea is that if you can if you can make [TS]

  the screen shift its color temperature [TS]

  into the warm area so basically make [TS]

  your maker computing devices change [TS]

  their own white balance along with what [TS]

  your what's going on in your house and [TS]

  around you in your environment so that [TS]

  in the daytime they're neutral and and [TS]

  you know what might consider like a [TS]

  bluish or new or cold white but then at [TS]

  night they shifted everything it's [TS]

  tinted yellow via the idea that will [TS]

  help you sleep [TS]

  I'm not entirely sure that the evidence [TS]

  I've seen so far proves that I i think [TS]

  it's it's a good theory it might be true [TS]

  the studies that are cited everywhere [TS]

  mostly seemed to indicate that [TS]

  brightness of light is important so it [TS]

  you know it might not be important to [TS]

  change your lights to be more yellow at [TS]

  night it might just be important to [TS]

  avoid bright screens at night and and [TS]

  using bright screen [TS]

  like in bed or before bed or whatever [TS]

  that I think makes it from from the [TS]

  actual suitable to find which is pretty [TS]

  few and far between but that's the flux [TS]

  has a good list of them bright light [TS]

  emitting devices are a problem to use [TS]

  late at night for this purpose but it [TS]

  doesn't necessarily follow that changing [TS]

  the color temperature of those screens [TS]

  fixes that problem the studies i'm [TS]

  looking at like the one that focused [TS]

  most recently on that public national [TS]

  academy of sciences anyway i read that [TS]

  one that was like you know ipad vs book [TS]

  and it's like if you read an ipad for [TS]

  four hours first before bed person if [TS]

  you read a book before I before going to [TS]

  bed like the iPad users measurably had [TS]

  like worse sleep and and related issues [TS]

  I i thought at first like you know maybe [TS]

  he's measuring like if you're like [TS]

  bouncing around with apps that's [TS]

  engaging you're bringing a different way [TS]

  but know that it sounded too controlled [TS]

  for that they had people watching to [TS]

  make sure you actually reading a book [TS]

  but it's like if you're staring at an [TS]

  ipad screen for before bed was reading a [TS]

  book reading the book is better but they [TS]

  didn't test if you start an ipad screen [TS]

  with neutral color temperature versus [TS]

  one that is slowly shifting itself [TS]

  yellow they didn't say that was better [TS]

  so it seems like this is two separate [TS]

  things that that the that this the [TS]

  studies that have been done so far show [TS]

  that bright lights at night can hurt [TS]

  your sleeping and also we think it's [TS]

  more pleasant and easy on your brain to [TS]

  ten things yellow but nothing is [TS]

  actually prove that and apples working [TS]

  on the features actually very carefully [TS]

  align with us so it says many studies [TS]

  have shown that exposure to bright blue [TS]

  light in the evening can affect your [TS]

  circadian rhythms and make it harder to [TS]

  fall asleep night shift use your iOS [TS]

  devices clock and educational haha and [TS]

  automatically shifts the closure display [TS]

  to the one where the spectrum making it [TS]

  easier on your eyes [TS]

  it doesn't say the shit of a color shift [TS]

  will make it easier to fall asleep [TS]

  it says bright lights have been shown to [TS]

  make it harder to fall asleep and this [TS]

  will be easier on your eyes but there's [TS]

  no connection to sleep there [TS]

  I'm surprised they can't get sued suit [TS]

  for easier on your eyes because like I [TS]

  don't even know what that supportable [TS]

  get more yellow which is easier on your [TS]

  eyes how is that I maybe it's because [TS]

  it's not measurable that's why it's [TS]

  that's why it's important but it's like [TS]

  it's bacon off they like well what is [TS]

  easier me [TS]

  so maybe it's it's big enough that [TS]

  they're okay but right and then you know [TS]

  there's all sorts of like theories about [TS]

  like that's why you see a lot of like [TS]

  yellow tinted sunglasses theories about [TS]

  like if you if you reduce the blue light [TS]

  more than the other colors these are on [TS]

  the island there there are other things [TS]

  about that but I don't and so I think [TS]

  that's probably backed up but like it [TS]

  doesn't seem like this is connected [TS]

  necessarily so I think if you're [TS]

  concerned about this [TS]

  sure try flux or try this try night [TS]

  shift if you find it pleasant great you [TS]

  know that that's it that's a separate [TS]

  thing it might not be helping you sleep [TS]

  but i think if you want to sleep it is [TS]

  it we do have evidence so far it seems [TS]

  that either reducing the brightness of [TS]

  the screen is probably way more [TS]

  important the screener does that [TS]

  automatically to some degree like you [TS]

  can pick your brightness but it does it [TS]

  does just based on ambient temperature [TS]

  within some range so it does her butt [TS]

  but like I would say like you reduce the [TS]

  brightness especially at night like you [TS]

  say you're either keep it all the time [TS]

  like i do or like just said it you said [TS]

  it lower and I even like so even set up [TS]

  the middle point lower or just if you're [TS]

  concerned about this and maybe you [TS]

  should be just don't use your devices [TS]

  before bed because the studies are [TS]

  pretty clear that that helps a lot but i [TS]

  don't think we know that changing it to [TS]

  yellow has a meaningful effect on the [TS]

  quality of your sleep [TS]

  it might be more pleasant but it's it [TS]

  might not have a meaningful effect but [TS]

  if you believe it will then it will [TS]

  because the placebo effect is incredibly [TS]

  strong and so like this two aspects as [TS]

  one [TS]

  some people just find it more pleasant [TS]

  like it they just like it's like yeah [TS]

  called fashion or aesthetics or just [TS]

  give them a warm fuzzy feeling they just [TS]

  like that's fine [TS]

  the right and the other one is if they [TS]

  believe it will give them better sleep [TS]

  there is a chance of that belief will [TS]

  cause some to have purposely maybe but [TS]

  you know at work it could be you know [TS]

  just like if you start thinking about [TS]

  having better sleep and wanted to make [TS]

  changes in your life to give you better [TS]

  sleep you will probably make other [TS]

  changes that will also give you better [TS]

  sleep you know so if you want better [TS]

  sleep [TS]

  chances are you could you know she's [TS]

  doing multiple things at one of those [TS]

  might be don't be like reading your [TS]

  phone every single second at night until [TS]

  the second you get you go to bed i have [TS]

  the opposite of the placebo effect [TS]

  because i do usually the last thing i do [TS]

  right before i go to bed [TS]

  is look at an iOS device which is pretty [TS]

  bright in a pretty dark room and I've [TS]

  been doing this for years and years and [TS]

  years you know since iOS existed and [TS]

  thanks for the ipod touches existed and [TS]

  every so often I think this like exactly [TS]

  what they tell you what not to do like a [TS]

  bright mostly white light in your face [TS]

  like right before bed [TS]

  I wonder if this is making me not be [TS]

  able to say when i go to sleep instantly [TS]

  so like everyone's but it's like I'm I'm [TS]

  trying to convince myself that what I'm [TS]

  doing is going to be harmful and I'd [TS]

  basically fine [TS]

  so somebody that is if Apple it you know [TS]

  maybe the Apple feature does more like [TS]

  maybe it also adjust the brightness if [TS]

  not maybe it should like that but that [TS]

  would be like if it if it also read it [TS]

  like I just like you know like reduce [TS]

  the variance your screen night also in [TS]

  addition to like the automatic thing the [TS]

  brightness range [TS]

  yeah like basically move the slider for [TS]

  you yeah like move move like the [TS]

  setpoint down also ignore you move move [TS]

  the whole range down if it also does [TS]

  that automatically that's a lot more [TS]

  valuable and maybe it does i haven't [TS]

  tried yet although i'd be like it is my [TS]

  device getting dim what the hell was [TS]

  that stupid thing again i want to [TS]

  display looks to dinner realize that [TS]

  I've acts like a kid is lean on the [TS]

  brightness button on my keyboard or [TS]

  something in a look and look for for a [TS]

  long time people have complained many [TS]

  people have complained that and i agree [TS]

  with this complaint that the the lowest [TS]

  brightness setting on iOS device screens [TS]

  often is low enough that it would be if [TS]

  you're in like if you're in a room that [TS]

  is the only elimination like it here [TS]

  reading in bed at night it the the [TS]

  lowest brightness setting is often still [TS]

  to be especially if using an Apple white [TS]

  background and there's been all sorts of [TS]

  like people the people who like use the [TS]

  accessibility toggles to try to make it [TS]

  even dimmer which messes with the mess [TS]

  with my app and then there's any bug [TS]

  reports like they're all sorts of of [TS]

  people like people who've been doing [TS]

  this for years of like using special [TS]

  accessibility settings or special app [TS]

  features to try to reduce it even [TS]

  further mean introversion instapaper [TS]

  when i first introduced dark mode in [TS]

  order to get around this problem i [TS]

  actually had a translucent black layer [TS]

  that I could put over the entire window [TS]

  just just a giant uiview over the entire [TS]

  window or lower [TS]

  or later i forget which one but just [TS]

  like a giant overlay that I could that I [TS]

  could just you know dim as necessary and [TS]

  dark mode because the entire interface [TS]

  was not dim enough online especially on [TS]

  an ipad with this giant giant break into [TS]

  a more prominent ipads and iphone most [TS]

  people just go into another room because [TS]

  i think the bottom brightness setting is [TS]

  too dim to look at like what does two [TS]

  things that they're here one is is it [TS]

  putting it off enough light to annoy [TS]

  other person is trying to sleep in the [TS]

  room [TS]

  yes I grant you it's doing that but the [TS]

  other is does it look like a normal [TS]

  screen or doesn't look like a screen [TS]

  that's broken and when you put the [TS]

  brightness of the bottom setting in any [TS]

  iOS device basically looks broken like [TS]

  things don't look right anymore it's not [TS]

  just the dimmer version of the screen [TS]

  now you're changing in a material way [TS]

  like there are things that you can't [TS]

  read because the contrast is too low [TS]

  everything is super dark it does not [TS]

  look like a slightly dimmer version i [TS]

  thought your point I thought you were [TS]

  going to say about the screens is and [TS]

  I've heard this complaint as well as [TS]

  that in with the dawning of LED [TS]

  backlights many years ago on most [TS]

  devices they go way too high [TS]

  like the top brightness setting is [TS]

  blinding noon in the noonday Sun have to [TS]

  put on a mask is like these like [TS]

  monitors from the random brands that are [TS]

  not like Apple monitors or dell HP but [TS]

  just that mean that you know Brandi [TS]

  you've never heard of that is really [TS]

  cheap monitors and their top brightness [TS]

  setting you can cook eggs with it [TS]

  I just they get really really bright no [TS]

  I mean even apples like my I have my [TS]

  five kids had my 5k is set to use one [TS]

  notch above the middle [TS]

  yeah because like the it's way too [TS]

  bright if it's set up more than that [TS]

  yeah it's just it's crazy but I which is [TS]

  good i like having that headroom I guess [TS]

  I mean maybe you still want it like you [TS]

  know if I said noon day Sun but if you [TS]

  actually have your iphone 6 out in the [TS]

  noonday Sun and put on max brightness [TS]

  you'll see it's actually not that bright [TS]

  after all compared to the Sun right and [TS]

  that's something like you they they do [TS]

  this it makes a lot of sense on portable [TS]

  devices especially because if you have [TS]

  to use it outside in sunlight it you [TS]

  really need every bit of brightness you [TS]

  can get but what you need there watching [TS]

  you there's different display text [TS]

  because lcds as you crank the brightness [TS]

  you just get like if you have a [TS]

  completely black screen you crank the [TS]

  brightness to max that you can use a [TS]

  black led-backlit screen completely [TS]

  black one has a flashlight in a dark [TS]

  room because that's how much light just [TS]

  comes through it is it because it's [TS]

  basically back [TS]

  is on behind every single pixel and the [TS]

  little liquid crystal things are trying [TS]

  not light through but they do which is [TS]

  why plasma TVs look better so oled [TS]

  doesn't have that problem because it is [TS]

  just cause not causing the pixels that [TS]

  are not lit up there just not admitting [TS]

  any light there's no light behind they [TS]

  don't have to block and we're just not [TS]

  putting it like a plasma they're just [TS]

  not putting out any light so they moved [TS]

  to oled could help because if you if you [TS]

  did have like I'm cranking my iphone 6 [TS]

  brightness in the noonday Sun and i [TS]

  still can't see the screen even if you [TS]

  put a backlight behind it was this [TS]

  gigantic super-bright backlight you with [TS]

  the contrast between the white regions [TS]

  and the black would still be basically [TS]

  the same ratio and so it's still look [TS]

  all washed out and in the noonday Sun [TS]

  what you really need is to say this is [TS]

  you know you can turn the backlight down [TS]

  to a degree where that the LCD screen [TS]

  can block the light going to resist so [TS]

  the light is so windy that it doesn't go [TS]

  through but the room is so dark that [TS]

  where does come through you get a better [TS]

  contrast ratio so different display text [TS]

  missing before you get to reflect the [TS]

  display type which of course is a real [TS]

  way to go where there's not actually [TS]

  like coming from behind it but like a [TS]

  kindle you're relying on the sunlight [TS]

  coming down and bouncing off and you [TS]

  just make regions of a black so it [TS]

  doesn't talk as much and then you get [TS]

  something that acts like a an actual [TS]

  book a paper book where it becomes more [TS]

  readable and sunrise instead of less but [TS]

  we do not have a good hybrid between [TS]

  back lift and reflective screens there [TS]

  are a lot of ones that have been tried [TS]

  involving either an LCD or combinations [TS]

  various other tech and none of them are [TS]

  mainstream yet so we'll still wait for [TS]

  that but in the meantime I'll let is the [TS]

  next significant step in this area that [TS]

  should really help on this week's [TS]

  connected [TS]

  federico talks a bit about night shift [TS]

  and he had said that he had been using [TS]

  it for a while and then he went back to [TS]

  I think he turned it off or something [TS]

  like that he said I think it said that [TS]

  it was like getting stabbed in the eye [TS]

  because you're federico doesn't believe [TS]

  in sleeping when the rest of italy [TS]

  sleeps he sleeps when we sleep and so he [TS]

  said it was really jarring when he had [TS]

  turned off in the middle of the night so [TS]

  whether or not it's real [TS]

  it certainly is a strong placebo from [TS]

  what i can tell i mean it's also just [TS]

  like as i mentioned like your eyes [TS]

  adjust to it your eyes have you know [TS]

  auto white balance on camera terms the [TS]

  difference when you when you're not [TS]

  adjusted it's a huge difference you know [TS]

  in the East with a easy to see the stiff [TS]

  Prince is if you have a camera set the [TS]

  white balance on it manually to daylight [TS]

  and take a picture outside during [TS]

  daylight and it should look normal [TS]

  then sit with it's still set to daylight [TS]

  take a picture inside your house at [TS]

  night and everything will look insanely [TS]

  yellow it's a huge difference it this is [TS]

  not a subtle shift in colors it's a [TS]

  massive difference if you are just you [TS]

  know using your device one night with [TS]

  this feature enabled the whole night and [TS]

  the next night you have the feature [TS]

  disabled the whole night you might not [TS]

  even notice the difference because your [TS]

  eyes are adjusting as night falls the [TS]

  entire time as the thing is happening [TS]

  too slow change but if you then [TS]

  immediately while your eyes are adjusted [TS]

  to the warm color immediately see cool [TS]

  colors then it's gonna be very jarring I [TS]

  don't think that necessarily says like [TS]

  how big of a difference this makes [TS]

  whatever I think it's just like yeah [TS]

  the shift is a big shift you know but I [TS]

  i still don't i don't think we we have [TS]

  any thing to show this is like super [TS]

  effective I think I you know it's [TS]

  primarily anesthetic preference and then [TS]

  it might be related to eye strain or you [TS]

  know like the the the ease on your eyes [TS]

  a but the other the connection to sleep [TS]

  quality i think it is still very [TS]

  unproven so we're running a bit long and [TS]

  I'd like to wrap somewhat soon but I [TS]

  really wanted to at least bring up this [TS]

  multi-user ipad thing for the classroom [TS]

  so apparently there's going to be a [TS]

  whole bunch of changes for using iPads [TS]

  in the classroom and again this was [TS]

  covered in the most recent episode of [TS]

  connected where Frazier Spears showed up [TS]

  and it genuinely seems really really [TS]

  interesting some of the stuff they're [TS]

  doing [TS]

  teachers can look at other to look at [TS]

  their pupil screens we're not sure if [TS]

  that's live or if it's just like a [TS]

  snapshot it there's multi-user ipad so [TS]

  you so a user can log into any ipad and [TS]

  get their home folder so to speak on [TS]

  that ipad we don't know a whole lot [TS]

  about it but it seems really interesting [TS]

  i'm fascinated to hear the reports from [TS]

  from the field how this works but I'm [TS]

  very skeptical it'll ever land on [TS]

  regular consumer ipad [TS]

  that's what do you guys think is that [TS]

  it's got to come to regular this is one [TS]

  of those like bigger iPads like it is [TS]

  guaranteed this is going to come [TS]

  eventually it's just a question of when [TS]

  because us enough iPads are shared [TS]

  devices and families even it's just like [TS]

  the three kids fighting over the the two [TS]

  generations old ipad that has been [TS]

  handed down to them [TS]

  yeah they just need that like it they [TS]

  may be this feature for a long time and [TS]

  it seems like it's not it seems like it [TS]

  shouldn't be too hard to do like it [TS]

  doesn't break any sort of you I paradigm [TS]

  they could just have an app for [TS]

  switching or whatever like it's because [TS]

  once you're using it as a user is just [TS]

  like a regular ipad and the only context [TS]

  switches oh well you know now your [TS]

  sister wants to give it to her and then [TS]

  she watches that same happened [TS]

  taps on her icon and now it's her iPad [TS]

  and they have to fight over storage [TS]

  space you use iCloud to mitigate bad and [TS]

  what happens if you know enough room [TS]

  iCloud then when your sister logs in you [TS]

  lose your save data because it can [TS]

  upload the iCloud and you know there are [TS]

  details to work out here and there but [TS]

  this seems like a very obvious feature [TS]

  that needs to come time especially f [TS]

  iPads continue to you know be more [TS]

  sophisticated in the ipad pro and [TS]

  everything [TS]

  multiple users is a thing that we know [TS]

  is useful for large devices with [TS]

  multiple people might use like imax or [TS]

  even laptops or even ipad pros and i'm [TS]

  not sure i would assume that it's [TS]

  definitely coming to like regular [TS]

  consumer iPads I mean you know setting [TS]

  up the education environment is [TS]

  presumably like a big provisioning thing [TS]

  like i would imagine the kind of thing [TS]

  that it will it doesn't like it's very [TS]

  useful for education but I i'm not [TS]

  really sure Apple cares enough about [TS]

  enabling multi-user iPads for in [TS]

  people's houses because right now the [TS]

  way it solved is either you know either [TS]

  it's not solved and you stay logged in [TS]

  as one person and everyone just went to [TS]

  your high scores or people get different [TS]

  ipad for different people at the end [TS]

  that's that's probably what Apple wants [TS]

  apple wants everyone to have their own [TS]

  ipad I'm not sure because if you think [TS]

  about what's involved in this in a home [TS]

  environment without without like the [TS]

  central management of of the school's [TS]

  doing in a home environment what's [TS]

  involved here is like things that things [TS]

  that are really messy and iOS today such [TS]

  as having multiple [TS]

  itunes store account login same device [TS]

  apps from different people install from [TS]

  different accounts installed but that's [TS]

  all been solved in Ostend I mean like [TS]

  it's the same underpinnings you have [TS]

  multi it's a multi-user system you have [TS]

  separate you know it the directories in [TS]

  accounts in sandboxes and yet you can [TS]

  have two people logged in to different [TS]

  apple ideas and different accounts into [TS]

  the store like it just seems like this [TS]

  is all there's no tech reason there's [TS]

  very little you I reason the only reason [TS]

  it hasn't been done so far is because [TS]

  it's not really an important feature but [TS]

  it's one of those ones that I feel like [TS]

  they're going to get around to [TS]

  eventually and I don't think anyone has [TS]

  ever and not purchased another iPad [TS]

  because their current one likely they [TS]

  would say well we're going to get in [TS]

  alright but this one has multiple users [TS]

  no kids will still complaining when [TS]

  multiple you don't like forget it i [TS]

  don't know if you can afford it you buy [TS]

  one if you can afford it why don't you [TS]

  buy one if you can't afford and don't [TS]

  want it you don't buy one [TS]

  all this is going to do is make our [TS]

  lives a little bit better for people who [TS]

  don't want to buy another ipad and do [TS]

  want their kids to share it and are sick [TS]

  of hearing people complain about it he [TS]

  broke my mind minecraft castles or he [TS]

  messed with my high scores are deleted [TS]

  the app that I want her read my texts or [TS]

  whatever complaints people are going to [TS]

  have yeah I I just think it has to come [TS]

  but not anytime soon i'm not saying that [TS]

  even this year or next year but you know [TS]

  eventually there's going to be a ir s [TS]

  version 13 and they're going to features [TS]

  for it and this is gonna be one [TS]

  yeah maybe but I I'll is it's the kind [TS]

  of thing where like the amount of work [TS]

  it takes to have like you know to [TS]

  separate out like all the iCloud and app [TS]

  store stuff with multiple logins and iOS [TS]

  like the amount of work is going to take [TS]

  but isn't that already done [TS]

  don't you think it's already done like [TS]

  are no we essentially I are we [TS]

  essentially using a multi-user system [TS]

  that just has one user on it [TS]

  well it's it's done at the level of like [TS]

  the unix user-level sure but it's I [TS]

  don't think it's done at like the the [TS]

  like services integration level like I [TS]

  don't think you have but what but I [TS]

  wouldn't be done at that level because [TS]

  those same demons the same thing [TS]

  concerning I was 10 [TS]

  well first of all it doesn't work that [TS]

  great understand a lot of times but it's [TS]

  a very different environment but like [TS]

  this [TS]

  keep in mind i was this is also the part [TS]

  of iOS that not only relies on that big [TS]

  messy store and icloud back [TS]

  it's really hard to get anything out of [TS]

  but also this seems to be the buggiest [TS]

  part of iOS is like the part that [TS]

  manages your account logins to these [TS]

  backends that is its it is so always [TS]

  fraught with minor bugs that like pop-up [TS]

  dialog for you to login on the time and [TS]

  everything like that doesn't like that [TS]

  doesn't on the mac too but yeah and that [TS]

  part of iOS is a mess and it's probably [TS]

  a mess for a good reason [TS]

  it's probably a mess because it would be [TS]

  so much work to fix it that they just [TS]

  will never get around to to improving it [TS]

  like i donated time scale mean I'mI'm [TS]

  executives say never but like but well [TS]

  but but why is it a mess on the mac like [TS]

  it just seems like what I would expect [TS]

  for them to implement the multi-user [TS]

  feature there may be some things that [TS]

  they make where they cut cards that have [TS]

  to go back and fixed up for the most [TS]

  part where you end up with two is with [TS]

  two separate messages you have multiple [TS]

  users both of which would experience the [TS]

  weather that we talked about in the past [TS]

  show or sometimes it keeps asking for [TS]

  your password and they would both [TS]

  experience that they would both get [TS]

  their own little private experience of [TS]

  those bugs but i but i don't see that as [TS]

  an impediment to then both having their [TS]

  own private experience of those bucks i [TS]

  think you're you're making very bold [TS]

  assumptions that that like Marco said [TS]

  the unix underpinnings of iOS have [TS]

  written all the way to the user facing [TS]

  portions of iOS if I were apple and i [TS]

  was writing iOS code way back when when [TS]

  it wasn't even a thought that there will [TS]

  be multiple users [TS]

  you bet I would probably be taking [TS]

  shortcuts to try to get things out the [TS]

  door quickly that assume that will that [TS]

  there were only ever be one user to any [TS]

  of these systems I i really think that [TS]

  that Marcos right now you're it's gonna [TS]

  be a long time before we see this now [TS]

  but here so I i agree with that they did [TS]

  take those shortcuts that the iOS one [TS]

  point or iphone OS there was no evidence [TS]

  was all it was just a master collection [TS]

  of shortcuts it had to be to even you [TS]

  know get things to work but this feature [TS]

  in iOS 9.3 shows that they've actually [TS]

  done the work already and it's only a [TS]

  question like they had to have done the [TS]

  work because Hey look multiple users and [TS]

  yes for enterprising classroom and [TS]

  server and cloud and it's as is aimed at [TS]

  a different user base or whatever but [TS]

  they had to have done that work they had [TS]

  to have gone through everything and said [TS]

  final place to recut cars because this [TS]

  thing isn't gonna work at all if when [TS]

  one student logs in this is the other [TS]

  person stuff or if they can't log into [TS]

  the you know they're doing [TS]

  that is being done and so once that's [TS]

  done it's only a matter of time before [TS]

  they decide to eventually get around to [TS]

  giving you the version of this that's [TS]

  not just for classrooms [TS]

  well it's I mean it's done to some [TS]

  degree and we don't mean none of us know [TS]

  if we should ask for your Spears we none [TS]

  of us know like to what degree this is [TS]

  done like how like what is kept per user [TS]

  like what what isn't [TS]

  you know but like you know is it like [TS]

  down to the iCloud account level [TS]

  includes every kid in my class account [TS]

  or just like their own files and [TS]

  probably I don't know I i would guess it [TS]

  is it is done to a fairly shallow level [TS]

  i would not expect this to be an easy [TS]

  way to just say i will just take this [TS]

  and just enable it for everybody like [TS]

  that i don't think it's gonna be that [TS]

  simple i just had a sad thought which is [TS]

  their multi user switching could [TS]

  basically be a race the everything about [TS]

  the previous user and go through really [TS]

  fast for setup process like in other [TS]

  words there's only ever one user and [TS]

  switching involves deleting the user [TS]

  that was there and putting in another [TS]

  user so really is single user all the [TS]

  time and all they do is delete [TS]

  everything having to do with one user [TS]

  really hope they didn't implement that [TS]

  way but that would probably work i think [TS]

  didn't I think freezer so that might be [TS]

  actually how it is done he was saying [TS]

  like it's not it's not a room for your [TS]

  stuff the ideas that will take your [TS]

  stuff and put it in my club which makes [TS]

  sense because like if if you switch [TS]

  accounts to somebody who has more stuff [TS]

  thinking fit on the current ipad you [TS]

  have to purge the old person stop [TS]

  especially with a classroom because of [TS]

  class and i padded club in a classroom [TS]

  doesn't have three users are gonna have [TS]

  like 15 or 20 and so you can't 15-20 [TS]

  people stuff on there so as you change [TS]

  users eventually someone stops got to [TS]

  get purged on but i'm thinking of like [TS]

  this scenario where every time you [TS]

  switch user it says there used to be [TS]

  another user of this ipad but forget I [TS]

  ever existed delete all their stuff push [TS]

  it up to the cloud blah blah blah and [TS]

  create a new user and it's only ever a [TS]

  single-user ipad as far as the ipad is [TS]

  concerned there's only ever been one [TS]

  user to changes periodically and that [TS]

  would be depressing and that would be a [TS]

  way to implement this is a shortcut but [TS]

  i really hope you didn't do that but [TS]

  honestly I i do think that in this day [TS]

  and age you know it makes sense to do [TS]

  this in classrooms where you might have [TS]

  a bunch of devices like stationary [TS]

  installed in a classroom like in a lab [TS]

  or something like that or you have to [TS]

  you have to share between people because [TS]

  you don't have enough like that probably [TS]

  happens a lot education I think in this [TS]

  day and age [TS]

  I don't think we really need to be that [TS]

  concerned with multi-user use of today's [TS]

  ipads iphones and laptops like desktops [TS]

  maybe even laptops and most most people [TS]

  I i would love to have data on like what [TS]

  percentage of max out their have more [TS]

  than one user account whatever you wait [TS]

  till Adam gets older and he wants to use [TS]

  your computer and suddenly you'll be [TS]

  thankful that you can give him his own [TS]

  account August by cases i'm at that [TS]

  point given given me you know just by [TS]

  his own computer right yeah if you're [TS]

  gonna put a computer in the ruin your [TS]

  seven-year-olds room and then come back [TS]

  and scrape the peanut butter off the [TS]

  screen periodically but i doing iPads [TS]

  now i will not in his room but yeah I [TS]

  have to clean the people are off of my [TS]

  ipad air 2 now whenever she does it [TS]

  anyway multiple accounts i think it's a [TS]

  good idea i don't think i don't think [TS]

  it's going away and whether you think [TS]

  it's important for iphones and ipads [TS]

  that exists now as the ipad pro [TS]

  continues to develop in that direction [TS]

  as it becomes a more viable desktop and [TS]

  laptop replacement I think it's [TS]

  inevitable but I i concede that i may be [TS]

  overestimating the sophistication of [TS]

  this multi-user implementation there may [TS]

  be a massive amount of work to be done [TS]

  I still think it will happen but let's [TS]

  just push the timeline out a few more [TS]

  years [TS]

  very good alright thanks a lot to r3 [TS]

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  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to be in [TS]

  because it was accidental it was [TS]

  accidental [TS]

  John any research Marco and Casey would [TS]

  know [TS]

  because it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental and you can find the show [TS]

  know the day EP dot and it for twitter [TS]

  follow them [TS]

  yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay rm20 Marco Arment are see that [TS]

  Syracuse [TS]

  tired probably looking too many blue [TS]

  screens probably like last couple [TS]

  episodes been pretty good we can put [TS]

  that in the show because it's you know [TS]

  too self-congratulatory as I say it's [TS]

  gonna be a short show you have really [TS]

  yeah it's true [TS]

  yeah yeah let's follow up follow us back [TS]

  follow-up was back with a vengeance [TS]

  today that's true well that the place [TS]

  was it was really a topic that was like [TS]

  more about flex about that i mean both [TS]

  of you have very different lots of [TS]

  difficulties with the concept of [TS]

  follow-up in the format [TS]

  haha hey please educate us [TS]

  Casey's a tale of woe like it just like [TS]

  well we usually start with follow-up but [TS]

  instead we're gonna start with other [TS]

  thing which is properly a topic and then [TS]

  flex and infuse app infuse app is [TS]

  followed by him let's talk about the [TS]

  views that the people recommended here's [TS]

  how it works for us Bob LA but then it [TS]

  is spinning off into hairs what you know [TS]

  my complaints about blacks I'm guilty [TS]

  just because you believe me into it [TS]

  oh yeah it's all our fault how you gonna [TS]

  flex and you guide duplex and what [TS]

  you've heard like flex is a topic your [TS]

  tailbone was a topic the follow-up item [TS]

  you could clear this infuse item and [TS]

  like you know two-and-a-half minutes if [TS]

  we just hit the bullet points anyway we [TS]

  survived the show survives we soldier on [TS]

  but I was actually thinking as we were [TS]

  I i noticed as we were talking about [TS]

  Casey's imac for 40 minutes before we [TS]

  even begin follow-up I thought you know [TS]

  this is actually a better format i kinda [TS]

  like having the follow-up like after [TS]

  topic one because it gives you a chance [TS]

  to like get into the show with something [TS]

  new first now it doesn't logically [TS]

  speaking you hear the previous show and [TS]

  you're angry because they got a bunch of [TS]

  stuff wrong with the next episode start [TS]

  you want to hear immediately the case he [TS]

  knows that he got the c-sharp thing [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  yeah I don't know i-i-i put the tail [TS]

  well first because i thought it was more [TS]

  dramatic that way but i did kinda like [TS]

  having a little something a little [TS]

  appetizer before the follow-up but you [TS]

  always do that yeah I didn't you always [TS]

  that's the format of the show is it one [TS]

  of you has something to say before we [TS]

  begin to follow and how long the thing [TS]

  is fine but here's an hour [TS]

  this was my time to shine John don't [TS]

  live here is your time to cry [TS]

  sure your imac yeah how about that case [TS]

  the the box that little a trapezoid [TS]

  e-box yeah very weird i liked it very [TS]

  weird [TS]

  although I tell you what putting that [TS]

  junk back into the styrofoam what a [TS]

  disaster [TS]

  mostly because i'm an idiot when it came [TS]

  to that but really I found it very easy [TS]

  to repack an imac find a pretty easy to [TS]

  you just need practice [TS]

  yeah what I've never had to deal with it [TS]

  before i had to bring my head to bring [TS]

  my thunderbolt display back to the apple [TS]

  store many times I was the best man with [TS]

  that size and shape [TS]

  yeah but ya know I just never done it [TS]

  before with a with something that shape [TS]

  I mean unless I have a desktop it was a [TS]

  tower which is a big rectangle so it was [TS]

  very different for me and I don't quite [TS]

  understand the the black aesthetic we [TS]

  understand the box but usually the [TS]

  things apple those boxes are about [TS]

  fitting more in a shipping container you [TS]

  know basically like in less [TS]

  environmental waste more things you know [TS]

  but more product and less volume right [TS]

  but I really don't think they're packing [TS]

  these things up like you know top bottom [TS]

  top bottom top bottom to try to get [TS]

  space-saving so I see is that wedge they [TS]

  cut out of it is just empty space in the [TS]

  shipping containers when they ship these [TS]

  and you can you can only stack them on [TS]

  the way now that anyway I it seems like [TS]

  it's just an aesthetic thing which i can [TS]

  buy but if there's some shipping related [TS]

  reason why they want that taper I'd love [TS]

  to hear it [TS]

  why would you wouldn't stack them like [TS]

  one right side up the next right upside [TS]

  down no no I don't think they do that [TS]

  like I would imagine that they're not [TS]

  meant to be shipped upside down right [TS]

  setups and right up it seemed i think [TS]

  they're I bet they are [TS]

  I bet they think so yeah it was like [TS]

  what do you think they fill the gaps [TS]

  with like a whole bunch of mighty my [TS]

  secret is Topsail little triangles plus [TS]

  that that's what I'm saying like it just [TS]

  it just seems like the apps the apps [TS]

  would be ere I i would imagine that [TS]

  these things ship only in one [TS]

  orientation for just for like the [TS]

  security of like bouncing around and [TS]

  cargo containers but maybe they do ship [TS]

  find upside down and they do alternate [TS]

  the chat room is very upset because you [TS]

  are very wrong John there i'm wrong but [TS]

  i want to do upside down right setup you [TS]

  that you are wrong in saying that they [TS]

  are all right setup they are they are [TS]

  wedged in one right side up one upside [TS]

  down as as mark when I suspected [TS]

  yeah I I just thought they wouldn't do [TS]

  that i thought the like that that [TS]

  shipping upset i will be bad you know [TS]

  the whole thing with a side of power [TS]

  amazon boxes the numbers attention to i [TS]

  see that i still see them on boxes that [TS]

  come to my house usually not facing up [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  well I can imagine imagine how bad it [TS]

  would be the because you know whatever [TS]

  however Apple ships them that's [TS]

  definitely on how like UPS and FedEx [TS]

  going to ship them so like you know [TS]

  imagine if you designed a computer and a [TS]

  shipping method of that computer sucks [TS]

  that it had to be kept a certain way up [TS]

  otherwise it would just break [TS]

  I don't like have to be just like that's [TS]

  the best orientation is the most secure [TS]

  so when Apple controls the shipments [TS]

  like that but in the last mile it's all [TS]

  over the place because he based a little [TS]

  boxes all right yes it's somewhat but [TS]

  the outer box is also that same shape [TS]

  yeah yep as that they are the real [TS]

  reason this of course is to make the [TS]

  giant wheel imax those guys maybe credit [TS]

  if you put them together not alternating [TS]

  eventually you get a big wheel that you [TS]

  can stand in the runaround [TS]

  that's awesome that out on the quad and [TS]

  their what I assume is their college [TS]

  because where people have a this many [TS]

  imax and be this much free time [TS]

  yeah i think that their key the key [TS]

  thing that they did either right or [TS]

  wrong depending on your look at is these [TS]

  empty boxes and so they were held [TS]

  together had together with that with [TS]

  like clear packing tape and everything [TS]

  and eventually the packing tape and like [TS]

  the boxes themselves structural [TS]

  integrity together if you can i'm a cage [TS]

  one of those things that would have some [TS]

  serious momentum you could have ever [TS]

  gotten moving [TS]

  yeah we've been very heavy be very [TS]

  expensive wheel [TS]