The Accidental Tech Podcast

152: Daddy Didn't Want the Good Graphics Card


00:00:00   I'm sorry everyone follow up so I feel [TS]

00:00:05   like we should start tonight's [TS]

00:00:06   programming with the tale of woe [TS]

00:00:09   i'll start by saying I bought a computer [TS]

00:00:13   oh I bought a 5k imac well okay so first [TS]

00:00:18   of all congratulations [TS]

00:00:20   well yeah maybe not so it's a hand on [TS]

00:00:22   heart John and Marco did not know that [TS]

00:00:24   this happened I've been keeping this a [TS]

00:00:26   secret from them so i could spring it to [TS]

00:00:27   spring it on the show I bought a 5k imac [TS]

00:00:30   is in your possession yet or did you [TS]

00:00:31   just order it [TS]

00:00:32   oh it's here it's in my trunk you done [TS]

00:00:36   packing yet although i did this is my [TS]

00:00:39   tail well does it fit in your trunk and [TS]

00:00:41   leave 3 series i'll stop it that's how i [TS]

00:00:44   have i bought this 5k imac I don't like [TS]

00:00:47   a week ago and i watched it march across [TS]

00:00:49   the United States be a fedex ground [TS]

00:00:51   which was infuriating [TS]

00:00:53   I mean I'd I did it to myself because i [TS]

00:00:55   didn't pay for like the super fast [TS]

00:00:56   shipping but it was so I'm not a patient [TS]

00:00:59   man and it was infuriating watching [TS]

00:01:00   march across the US but anyway it [TS]

00:01:02   arrived yesterday and I booted it i set [TS]

00:01:07   it up by moved files from making my [TS]

00:01:09   personal computer with my beloved yet [TS]

00:01:12   very old circuit 2011 hi-res antiglare [TS]

00:01:16   15-inch macbook pro i moved files from [TS]

00:01:19   my work computer [TS]

00:01:20   my my retina macbook pro 15-inch retina [TS]

00:01:24   macbook pro I got everything set up i [TS]

00:01:28   put all the software i wanted on it at [TS]

00:01:30   least at a glance anyway everything [TS]

00:01:32   seemed ok i then performed a software [TS]

00:01:37   update i let the software update go i [TS]

00:01:40   walked away from computer i came back to [TS]

00:01:42   the computer it seemed like everything [TS]

00:01:44   had hung after like 20 minutes something [TS]

00:01:46   like that which was well under the are [TS]

00:01:48   well over the time it is estimated to [TS]

00:01:50   take the software update to run there's [TS]

00:01:52   nothing on the screen the backlight was [TS]

00:01:53   on the computer had not to my knowledge [TS]

00:01:55   rebooted everything was just there there [TS]

00:01:58   i should say nothing was there actually [TS]

00:02:00   so I powered the Machine off which to be [TS]

00:02:03   clear may have been the fatal mistake [TS]

00:02:05   we'll come back to that power the [TS]

00:02:06   machine off I've heard it back on [TS]

00:02:08   the chime sounds that's it back lights [TS]

00:02:13   on the time sounds nothing else [TS]

00:02:15   ok turn the computer back off after [TS]

00:02:19   having let it sit for a while [TS]

00:02:20   turn it back on the chime sounds and [TS]

00:02:24   that's it [TS]

00:02:26   hmm this is not good ok let's go through [TS]

00:02:30   the steps p.m. reset no good [TS]

00:02:32   smc reset no-good make a USB boot disk [TS]

00:02:36   no-good mesh down on the D key to try to [TS]

00:02:39   get the Diagnostics no good recovery no [TS]

00:02:41   good internet recovery no good [TS]

00:02:43   it's in the trunk i have a genius bar [TS]

00:02:45   appointment tomorrow although i may just [TS]

00:02:46   end up returning and buying a different [TS]

00:02:48   one because it's already completely host [TS]

00:02:50   i have no idea what I did it might have [TS]

00:02:51   been me [TS]

00:02:52   I'm not saying it wasn't me i'm not [TS]

00:02:53   looking for the internet to tell me what [TS]

00:02:55   it was with respect to the internet it [TS]

00:02:58   will be figured out tomorrow i have [TS]

00:03:01   engaged to X Apple geniuses i have [TS]

00:03:04   engaged a friend of the show [TS]

00:03:07   nobody could tell me it a good answers [TS]

00:03:09   to what I could do to resuscitate it i [TS]

00:03:12   think something just genuinely broke [TS]

00:03:14   during the problem where there any like [TS]

00:03:17   USB or other kind of devices connected [TS]

00:03:19   to it that you could have unplugged did [TS]

00:03:21   you try plugging them [TS]

00:03:22   oh yes so I had I had my microphone [TS]

00:03:25   installed because i was all smug and [TS]

00:03:26   happy because the way this but this [TS]

00:03:28   episode was supposed to go was I was [TS]

00:03:31   supposed to say to you guess what guys I [TS]

00:03:34   am now talking to you on my 5k imac the [TS]

00:03:38   way this episode is actually going is [TS]

00:03:40   guess what guys I actually have to [TS]

00:03:43   either return or get this thing repaired [TS]

00:03:46   tomorrow which is exactly what i'm going [TS]

00:03:48   to do i'm not sure what i'm going to do [TS]

00:03:49   yet i'm very sad i did try target disk [TS]

00:03:53   mode as somebody is asking the chat [TS]

00:03:55   target disk mode i have tried everything [TS]

00:03:57   in my repertoire and everything that 2x [TS]

00:04:00   geniuses and a friend that works at [TS]

00:04:03   apple has asked me to try [TS]

00:04:05   none of it has worked i'm very sad but i [TS]

00:04:08   will tell you in the two or three hours [TS]

00:04:09   that it was working it was a magnificent [TS]

00:04:12   computer and I cannot wait to hopefully [TS]

00:04:16   get one that works by medics we [TS]

00:04:19   yeah so I'm very sad it's a sad sad day [TS]

00:04:22   for me it's kinda like my grandfather [TS]

00:04:25   were complaining that modern cars [TS]

00:04:27   actually specifically i was modern car [TS]

00:04:30   engine Bay's don't have any place for [TS]

00:04:31   you to get your hands down in them you [TS]

00:04:33   know like is everything is all packed [TS]

00:04:35   together really tightly and then you [TS]

00:04:36   complain about the plastic shroud is [TS]

00:04:37   covering everything up and complaining [TS]

00:04:39   about how hard it is to replace things [TS]

00:04:40   like that are filters and they don't [TS]

00:04:41   have carburetors anyway but they related [TS]

00:04:44   complaint to your 5k imac is like back [TS]

00:04:47   in back in the days of my most feverish [TS]

00:04:50   trying to diagnose problems one of the [TS]

00:04:53   things that I would do in this situation [TS]

00:04:54   I almost adjusted until I realized it's [TS]

00:04:56   pointless is to try to figure out what [TS]

00:04:58   the hell's going on like hear the chime [TS]

00:05:00   it passes the post-test right and then [TS]

00:05:03   what happens like are you really cannot [TS]

00:05:05   find the discs are you getting into the [TS]

00:05:06   boot process and the way you usually [TS]

00:05:08   tell that is you could hear whether it [TS]

00:05:11   had started accessing the hard drive and [TS]

00:05:12   you knew by the series of ticks and [TS]

00:05:14   sounds is it is it looking for a boot [TS]

00:05:16   sector is it just power cycling discs on [TS]

00:05:19   and offers that actually beginning the [TS]

00:05:21   boot process which has a distinctive [TS]

00:05:22   sound to it or in the old days with the [TS]

00:05:23   floppy drive you could tell what the [TS]

00:05:25   computer was doing and at what point [TS]

00:05:26   things went wrong but with an SSD and [TS]

00:05:29   nothing on the screen and definitely no [TS]

00:05:31   indicator lights or anything like that [TS]

00:05:32   you know hardware indicator lights for [TS]

00:05:33   the pc folks [TS]

00:05:35   you have no idea what's going on it they [TS]

00:05:37   post so there's no image on the screen [TS]

00:05:39   has it begun the boot process cannot [TS]

00:05:42   find the hard drive [TS]

00:05:43   if you mean if we can find the harder [TS]

00:05:44   you have the the blinking ? like it but [TS]

00:05:47   it did pass posters i think that the [TS]

00:05:49   time only sounds after it does the whole [TS]

00:05:51   you know that the posters power-on [TS]

00:05:53   self-test like the whole you if you have [TS]

00:05:55   like bad ram or whatever you get one of [TS]

00:05:57   the the bad chimes or something like [TS]

00:05:59   that so right like almost all my whole [TS]

00:06:01   diagnostic tools are useless for these [TS]

00:06:03   computers that don't make any noise [TS]

00:06:04   except the stupid fan is the fan going [TS]

00:06:06   there we go we can ask that is passed [TS]

00:06:07   yes it was as far as like it does it [TS]

00:06:09   crank up the full speed if you let it [TS]

00:06:11   sit there [TS]

00:06:12   no it does not actually let it sit [TS]

00:06:13   overnight just to be extra specially [TS]

00:06:16   sure that that was that it wasn't just [TS]

00:06:17   me being impatient [TS]

00:06:19   did you spill water into it i did not [TS]

00:06:21   thank you for asking but i haven't read [TS]

00:06:23   this important to it to establish that [TS]

00:06:25   where I mean are there any openings the [TS]

00:06:27   face upwards there in the back means [TS]

00:06:29   that you can get water [TS]

00:06:30   there's always the bottom left behind my [TS]

00:06:34   god that's me that there are no openings [TS]

00:06:37   that face upwards i can find is not [TS]

00:06:38   doesn't like a slip on top part I don't [TS]

00:06:40   see why I didn't think so so yeah so [TS]

00:06:43   it's sitting in my trunk to be honest [TS]

00:06:44   with you I'll probably just return it [TS]

00:06:46   and probably just order a new one [TS]

00:06:47   because i feel like it's already tainted [TS]

00:06:48   I'm still hoping actually hoping you're [TS]

00:06:50   thinking you're suspecting like this is [TS]

00:06:52   actually a soft like it's not a hardware [TS]

00:06:53   problem is a software problem did you [TS]

00:06:55   know you said you tried a million things [TS]

00:06:57   the only other one that you didn't [TS]

00:06:58   mention that you think other ball two [TS]

00:07:00   things like that 1i assuming since you [TS]

00:07:01   and he started all these experts you [TS]

00:07:03   made sure that they all had the most [TS]

00:07:05   recent up-to-date knowledge about the [TS]

00:07:07   keys that you have to match because [TS]

00:07:08   those have changed over the past couple [TS]

00:07:10   of years and a lot of people might give [TS]

00:07:12   you advice to hold down key combinations [TS]

00:07:13   that are no longer the correct one to [TS]

00:07:15   the same operations but something that's [TS]

00:07:16   handled that one hurt didn't hear you [TS]

00:07:18   mentioned is Bruce Bruce are both [TS]

00:07:20   putting mode i believe its command V you [TS]

00:07:23   should look it up the one that spews you [TS]

00:07:25   know the unix console text to your [TS]

00:07:28   screen during the boot process sometimes [TS]

00:07:30   that's a good way to find out at one [TS]

00:07:31   point things go off the rails during the [TS]

00:07:33   boot process assuming the boot process [TS]

00:07:35   even began the I did not try that [TS]

00:07:37   however i did not mention that I also [TS]

00:07:39   phoned applecare at like they're not [TS]

00:07:42   going to help you [TS]

00:07:43   well my thought was let me give them a [TS]

00:07:45   shot see what they could figure out I [TS]

00:07:47   and i started the conversation slightly [TS]

00:07:50   well mildly passive-aggressively and i [TS]

00:07:52   said here's what i've tried p.m. recent [TS]

00:07:54   smc recent blah-blah-blah-blah-blah to [TS]

00:07:56   try to establish we really don't need to [TS]

00:07:58   go through all of this again if you [TS]

00:08:00   please have you tried blowing the dust [TS]

00:08:01   out of the plug but if the smc reset [TS]

00:08:06   apparently on the East max is to unplug [TS]

00:08:08   it wait 15 seconds and plug it back in [TS]

00:08:10   or something along those lines in any [TS]

00:08:12   case I tried everything you had a try i [TS]

00:08:16   tried everything that the applecare [TS]

00:08:18   person till told me to do so in all [TS]

00:08:21   likelihood i will just return it [TS]

00:08:22   tomorrow I've not you cancel my genius [TS]

00:08:24   to put appointment we will see what [TS]

00:08:25   happens i cannot stress enough internet [TS]

00:08:27   that by the time you hear this episode [TS]

00:08:30   if this will already be resolved one way [TS]

00:08:32   or another [TS]

00:08:33   well it'll be in the process of he's not [TS]

00:08:35   well it'll be in the process of being [TS]

00:08:36   resolved please internet I appreciate [TS]

00:08:39   your feedback but it is too late by the [TS]

00:08:42   time you've heard this he is the fast [TS]

00:08:43   bring for advisement if i order a new [TS]

00:08:46   one [TS]

00:08:47   I will absolutely spring for the fast [TS]

00:08:49   shipping because now i'm really really [TS]

00:08:51   sad that my literally i use the thing [TS]

00:08:53   let's see it was seven o'clock because [TS]

00:08:55   after Declan went to bed that I booted [TS]

00:08:57   it and started transferring everything [TS]

00:08:58   and at ten o'clock or thereabouts-- was [TS]

00:09:02   when i was calling applecare so i used [TS]

00:09:04   it for three hours [TS]

00:09:05   I feel so bad for you for this because [TS]

00:09:08   well in that let's not forget this is [TS]

00:09:10   the first desktop bought in easily a [TS]

00:09:12   decade yeah and we will definitely [TS]

00:09:13   interrogate you about why you chose to [TS]

00:09:15   do this and why you did it now and and [TS]

00:09:17   etcetera because i really want to know [TS]

00:09:18   all these things but first of all I do [TS]

00:09:20   want to express my sincere condolences [TS]

00:09:21   because like I i hate it like if you cut [TS]

00:09:24   it it's so puts a damper on like you [TS]

00:09:27   know a big purchase of a thing you're [TS]

00:09:29   really excited about that you hardly [TS]

00:09:31   ever get to buy and all the end like it [TS]

00:09:34   comes and it has some problem that you [TS]

00:09:35   have to deal with that sucks it puts [TS]

00:09:37   such a damper on the whole thing [TS]

00:09:38   yeah it really does and you know what I [TS]

00:09:40   thought about those so yesterday [TS]

00:09:41   obviously I was much more angry and [TS]

00:09:42   pissed off than I am now yet but [TS]

00:09:45   yesterday i was thinking about it and I [TS]

00:09:46   thought what if for the sake of [TS]

00:09:48   conversation [TS]

00:09:50   this was my very first mac like that's a [TS]

00:09:53   terrible experience now admittedly this [TS]

00:09:56   is this is definitely a fluke [TS]

00:09:58   this is this is weird this is not [TS]

00:10:01   something that normally happens to my [TS]

00:10:02   recollection in my eight years of owning [TS]

00:10:05   max I think that's ready to eat issues [TS]

00:10:07   of only max I have never had a software [TS]

00:10:09   update fail so I to be clear this is a [TS]

00:10:13   fluke it's just it's weird but damn if [TS]

00:10:16   it isn't frustrating and all my goodness [TS]

00:10:18   if I was if this was my first mac i [TS]

00:10:21   would go I would go running back to Del [TS]

00:10:24   now I'm not an idiot [TS]

00:10:26   so I'm not going to do that my crazy [TS]

00:10:28   here no i agree i agree but i'm just [TS]

00:10:30   saying like if this was imagine if your [TS]

00:10:32   first experience with this you know it [TS]

00:10:34   was like you know 32 3032 hundred-dollar [TS]

00:10:36   computer it imagine your first [TS]

00:10:38   experiences all it works for three hours [TS]

00:10:40   and then it's dead all of it it doesn't [TS]

00:10:42   really matter like that experience [TS]

00:10:44   doesn't really matter unless it must [TS]

00:10:46   some kind of epidemic which i'm assuming [TS]

00:10:47   it isn't right but I every every every [TS]

00:10:49   company has like the DOA things all that [TS]

00:10:51   matters is what happens after that's all [TS]

00:10:53   that that's what that's what you know i [TS]

00:10:54   mean like for dell the reason to [TS]

00:10:56   galleries a lot of people like [TS]

00:10:57   all in the enterprise anyway is that [TS]

00:11:00   when something happens when someone [TS]

00:11:02   drops a dell laptop on something breaks [TS]

00:11:03   or whatever you can have new hardware in [TS]

00:11:07   your hands in a shockingly small amount [TS]

00:11:09   of time and so it's not let you know [TS]

00:11:11   that things are gonna happen you're [TS]

00:11:12   gonna get out you gonna buy 50 dell [TS]

00:11:14   laptops and one of them is going to be [TS]

00:11:16   DOA that's not the thing that annoys you [TS]

00:11:18   would annoy you for example here we're [TS]

00:11:20   going to apple if you had to wait a week [TS]

00:11:22   to get the new one it doesn't know you [TS]

00:11:23   if the next morning when you come into [TS]

00:11:25   work somebody from dell is there with [TS]

00:11:26   the box and says give me your old one [TS]

00:11:27   here's your new one later and you're [TS]

00:11:29   like go [TS]

00:11:30   that was easy and so for apple like the [TS]

00:11:32   thing that counts is how good was your [TS]

00:11:34   applecare phone experience which in my [TS]

00:11:36   experience is not that great how when [TS]

00:11:38   you go to the Genius Bar how's that [TS]

00:11:40   experience going to be and how you know [TS]

00:11:43   how much faster they give you how [TS]

00:11:45   sympathetic are they this matters to how [TS]

00:11:46   sympathetic is the person to your [TS]

00:11:47   frustration about getting a do a [TS]

00:11:50   computer which is basically how its set [TS]

00:11:51   categorize this is assuming there's a [TS]

00:11:53   hardware thing it's not like the [TS]

00:11:54   software update brokers just you know [TS]

00:11:56   the hardware problem with this machine [TS]

00:11:57   which is DOA and it's best to find out [TS]

00:11:59   now right [TS]

00:12:00   it's all about how it's handled after [TS]

00:12:01   the fact that my 152 Apple stories about [TS]

00:12:04   this thing of that told the other one [TS]

00:12:06   I'm past broadcast when I got my ac30 [TS]

00:12:08   the power supply made a high pitch noise [TS]

00:12:10   that only people under thirty could hear [TS]

00:12:12   how do you remember this yeah and that [TS]

00:12:13   was my most disappointing one because [TS]

00:12:15   because I was a kid and when your kid or [TS]

00:12:19   like when your kid at heart like Casey [TS]

00:12:20   you get your hopes up this exciting new [TS]

00:12:22   shiny computer and it comes and you're [TS]

00:12:25   sad right so that was that was the most [TS]

00:12:27   crushing one and the other one which I [TS]

00:12:28   may have mentioned the passes when this [TS]

00:12:30   is the pizza box powerpc performer [TS]

00:12:33   actually performing 61 something CD got [TS]

00:12:38   that for Christmas and offers a family [TS]

00:12:42   computer but whatever it's mine and the [TS]

00:12:44   the terrible gross pc sourced 15-inch [TS]

00:12:49   multisync apple monitor that came with [TS]

00:12:52   it was DOA like the monitors didn't work [TS]

00:12:53   you plugged in and nothing happened no [TS]

00:12:55   lights came on the screen so i got that [TS]

00:12:57   Christmas Day and I was older so I [TS]

00:13:00   wasn't totally you know devastated i [TS]

00:13:02   didn't have any other monitors that [TS]

00:13:04   could fit because of the differences in [TS]

00:13:05   the connectors this was a multisync [TS]

00:13:07   monitors basically a pc monitor [TS]

00:13:09   connector with a slight difference in [TS]

00:13:10   any way [TS]

00:13:11   my other ones wouldn't work with it so [TS]

00:13:13   you get something on Christmas music [TS]

00:13:15   Christmas you said to apple had a new [TS]

00:13:18   monitor on our front doorstep the [TS]

00:13:20   morning after Christmas [TS]

00:13:22   that's pretty impressive that yeah so as [TS]

00:13:24   it not only do they not wait for us to [TS]

00:13:26   ship it back or you know ship it to us [TS]

00:13:29   and get here is that was like you're sad [TS]

00:13:31   on christmas day you go to sleep you [TS]

00:13:32   wake up the next morning the monitors on [TS]

00:13:34   your doorstep and so that was pretty [TS]

00:13:35   amazing [TS]

00:13:36   yeah i'm i'm curious to see how this [TS]

00:13:39   works out but you're absolutely right [TS]

00:13:41   that it it's all about how how [TS]

00:13:45   sympathetic people are and how people [TS]

00:13:47   react to it and I think it will be fine [TS]

00:13:50   it all it all work itself out but I'm it [TS]

00:13:53   man what a bummer what a serious bummer [TS]

00:13:56   and how much hassle it is like that you [TS]

00:13:58   have to convince anyone of anything is [TS]

00:14:00   there a lot of paperwork to fill out how [TS]

00:14:02   long does it take for you to have the [TS]

00:14:04   situation remedied to your satisfaction [TS]

00:14:06   like you can make a big difference even [TS]

00:14:08   if even if like you got it fixed the [TS]

00:14:10   next day but to do that you have to like [TS]

00:14:12   argue with someone on the phone that's a [TS]

00:14:13   terrible experience but right if you go [TS]

00:14:16   through it and someone is sympathetic [TS]

00:14:17   and just just you know it seems like [TS]

00:14:19   bump that's it [TS]

00:14:20   yep that's it you'll have a new computer [TS]

00:14:22   on Dax you're like oh that was easy and [TS]

00:14:24   you come away from that experience if [TS]

00:14:26   everything has gone well actually liking [TS]

00:14:28   the brand more than you would have if [TS]

00:14:30   you had just gotten the thing and it [TS]

00:14:31   worked out of the box with yeah totally [TS]

00:14:33   that the perverse way the human nature [TS]

00:14:34   works the worst of the worst one though [TS]

00:14:37   the one you can't recover from luckily [TS]

00:14:39   were all out of this phase is like when [TS]

00:14:40   i got my obscenely expensive Apple 22 [TS]

00:14:43   inch LCD monitor and had dead pixels on [TS]

00:14:46   it and I tried to look for them but i [TS]

00:14:48   can see that you know about that because [TS]

00:14:51   I knew going in with the policy was the [TS]

00:14:53   policy is it is an X number of pixels [TS]

00:14:54   know this our part or whatever sorry [TS]

00:14:56   luck of the draw you got unlucky and you [TS]

00:14:59   know i guess i suppose i could have [TS]

00:15:00   returned it and tried again and returned [TS]

00:15:02   it and try to get her in here and didn't [TS]

00:15:04   try it again but I was just not up for [TS]

00:15:05   that you know yesterday I was really [TS]

00:15:07   upset [TS]

00:15:08   not even just angry i was i was [TS]

00:15:10   genuinely upset but today with a little [TS]

00:15:14   bit of clarity and how whole i can see [TS]

00:15:16   that this is like the most first world [TS]

00:15:18   first world problems that my shiny new [TS]

00:15:20   computer didn't work immediately [TS]

00:15:22   oh well like get over yourself but [TS]

00:15:24   man it it did bum me out a little bit [TS]

00:15:26   i'm you paid good money for that thing [TS]

00:15:28   don't you know don't diminish this [TS]

00:15:30   yeah so hopefully will rectify itself we [TS]

00:15:33   don't we don't need to talk about this [TS]

00:15:34   anymore if if you guys don't have [TS]

00:15:36   anything to say we can move on to follow [TS]

00:15:38   up if you have any other questions I'm [TS]

00:15:39   happy to feel them [TS]

00:15:40   I have so many questions but first can [TS]

00:15:42   sponsor peridot at first a quick [TS]

00:15:45   correction couple weeks ago I didn't [TS]

00:15:47   read for Casper the mattress company [TS]

00:15:50   Casper and i forgot to give the coupon [TS]

00:15:52   code so if you go to Casper calm / ATP [TS]

00:15:55   for their wonderful design mattresses [TS]

00:15:57   please use coupon code ATP for fifty [TS]

00:16:00   bucks off America's once again code ATP [TS]

00:16:03   at capcom / ATP for fifty bucks off so [TS]

00:16:05   anyway thank you Casper sorry about the [TS]

00:16:07   mistake we respond to this week by [TS]

00:16:09   fracture go to fracture me.com and use [TS]

00:16:13   code ATP 15 for fifteen percent off your [TS]

00:16:15   first order they're fracture is vivid [TS]

00:16:17   color photo prints print directly on [TS]

00:16:20   glass fracture prints are beautiful your [TS]

00:16:23   photos printed on these then flat light [TS]

00:16:25   pieces of glass and that their visits [TS]

00:16:28   very like modern minimal presentation [TS]

00:16:30   it's just literally your photos [TS]

00:16:32   edge-to-edge printed on this piece of [TS]

00:16:34   glass [TS]

00:16:34   it's very thin very lightweight so you [TS]

00:16:36   don't have to worry about it like [TS]

00:16:37   crashing down off the wall are being [TS]

00:16:38   hard to hang or hard to install or [TS]

00:16:40   anything like that are breaking and [TS]

00:16:41   chipping all sorts of worries you might [TS]

00:16:43   have about getting a giant photo print [TS]

00:16:44   on glass that I all those words have [TS]

00:16:47   always been alleviated for me with [TS]

00:16:48   fracture but these prints look great and [TS]

00:16:50   they really want you to get your print [TS]

00:16:52   kinda you know out of the Instagram feed [TS]

00:16:54   out of the facebook galleries and [TS]

00:16:56   everything like get photos that are [TS]

00:16:58   great printed because once you put him [TS]

00:16:59   in like a social feel that that was like [TS]

00:17:01   a week passes those are gone you never [TS]

00:17:04   see them again like it really helps to [TS]

00:17:05   enjoy your photos to have them printed [TS]

00:17:07   out they also make fantastic gifts for [TS]

00:17:09   other people in your life who want to [TS]

00:17:11   enjoy your photos like family members [TS]

00:17:13   like it especially like if you have kids [TS]

00:17:14   or anything you want to like send a [TS]

00:17:15   picture your kids to their grandparents [TS]

00:17:17   or whatever [TS]

00:17:18   there are so many great uses for [TS]

00:17:19   fracture gifts photos for yourself [TS]

00:17:22   yeah and just to double down on that [TS]

00:17:24   real quick just this past week when i [TS]

00:17:27   was in a happier mood uh yeah actually [TS]

00:17:29   made a like six item fracture order [TS]

00:17:33   because i have plenty of fractures [TS]

00:17:34   around the house and we're actually [TS]

00:17:35   gonna start distributing them as gifts [TS]

00:17:37   and so we bought a bunch for gifts [TS]

00:17:40   including one for our for our own house [TS]

00:17:42   they really are fantastic and i tell you [TS]

00:17:44   what i have them i paid for them in the [TS]

00:17:46   past by paid for them just this week and [TS]

00:17:48   they're great [TS]

00:17:49   you really should try it out so check [TS]

00:17:50   them out go to fracture me.com and use [TS]

00:17:54   code ATP 15 to get fifteen percent off [TS]

00:17:57   your first order thank you very much to [TS]

00:17:59   fracture for sponsoring this week one of [TS]

00:18:01   my question was about I know you're not [TS]

00:18:03   gonna mess with it yourself but uh ram [TS]

00:18:05   the wiggles loose as the thing took its [TS]

00:18:07   bumpy little journey across the entire [TS]

00:18:09   country [TS]

00:18:09   I it's funny you say that I receded the [TS]

00:18:12   ram just to be safe [TS]

00:18:13   no difference I'll see I would've said [TS]

00:18:15   the same thing is to not try to do that [TS]

00:18:17   because i don't know like you peed on [TS]

00:18:20   the carpet and like a ditz i would i [TS]

00:18:23   would be like look I just can't I [TS]

00:18:24   haven't touched a thing that came out of [TS]

00:18:26   the box i've been using it like use a [TS]

00:18:27   computer by pressing buttons on the [TS]

00:18:28   keyboard and mouse or trackpad and now [TS]

00:18:30   it's Friday like all you opened it up [TS]

00:18:32   well but you're supposed to be a little [TS]

00:18:33   bit up by you know so I just most [TS]

00:18:36   paranoid with apples i would not have [TS]

00:18:37   even tried that I would have just [TS]

00:18:38   brought inside of the Rams unseated it's [TS]

00:18:40   not my problem in touch fair fair Point [TS]

00:18:42   and actually that brings up a really [TS]

00:18:43   interesting point let me tell you how I [TS]

00:18:46   know i'm old i was extremely and remain [TS]

00:18:49   actually extremely skeptical that me [TS]

00:18:53   doing like command are for recovery I [TS]

00:18:56   believe that's right i was looking at [TS]

00:18:57   the documents when i was when i was [TS]

00:18:59   doing these keystrokes if I get them [TS]

00:19:00   wrong now I apologize but I command our [TS]

00:19:02   option command or whatever it is for [TS]

00:19:03   internet recovery and d4 diagnostics all [TS]

00:19:06   these things that was mashing i [TS]

00:19:07   initially was doing that on the new [TS]

00:19:10   bluetooth keyboard that came with it [TS]

00:19:12   which by the way i like quite a bit i [TS]

00:19:13   really like it a lot a lot this is the [TS]

00:19:15   new like semi skinny one right that's [TS]

00:19:17   correct but anyway so I'm doing all of [TS]

00:19:20   this and I'm doing it on a Bluetooth [TS]

00:19:23   keyboard and the old man in me is so [TS]

00:19:26   damn skeptical that this keyboard is [TS]

00:19:29   even connected to the computer that i [TS]

00:19:32   first plugged it in with the lightning [TS]

00:19:35   cable then I decided no I'm not even [TS]

00:19:37   convinced that's good enough and i have [TS]

00:19:39   a hundred one key apple keyboard that i [TS]

00:19:41   got from god-knows-where that's USB i [TS]

00:19:44   plug that in and did all these keys [TS]

00:19:46   looks again just to be safe but it's it [TS]

00:19:49   weirded me out to be relying on wireless [TS]

00:19:52   devices in order to try to kick off [TS]

00:19:54   these extremely low-level like boot [TS]

00:19:56   sequences I don't just mean that's me [TS]

00:19:59   being old and weird i suppose [TS]

00:20:01   anyway any other questions for sure we [TS]

00:20:02   do some follow-up why did you get this [TS]

00:20:04   computer right so I knew it was time to [TS]

00:20:08   get a different computer i hadn't bought [TS]

00:20:10   a computer since my i already mentioned [TS]

00:20:13   2011 hi-res entire back pro that thing [TS]

00:20:19   sits on my desk constantly that's all it [TS]

00:20:21   does is sit on the desk and even though [TS]

00:20:24   I've been a laptop guy for easily a [TS]

00:20:26   decade and change in fact i think i made [TS]

00:20:28   the switch during school so somewhere in [TS]

00:20:30   the early 2000s was when I really became [TS]

00:20:32   a laptop kind of guy and i thought to [TS]

00:20:36   myself i will have a work laptop as we [TS]

00:20:39   discussed quite a bit of heat that [TS]

00:20:41   several episodes back I'll have a work [TS]

00:20:42   laptop and it occurred to me just [TS]

00:20:44   yesterday that i have my high resident [TS]

00:20:47   eclair you know macbook pro that I could [TS]

00:20:50   put an SSD and like we were just talking [TS]

00:20:51   about so i will still have a laptop and [TS]

00:20:54   even in a real pinch I can take errands [TS]

00:20:57   a scuba-diving macbook her and use that [TS]

00:21:01   if I really wanted to use a laptop [TS]

00:21:03   beyond that as I've also talked about on [TS]

00:21:06   the show Aaron got me a brand new ipad [TS]

00:21:09   mini for Christmas and for a lot of [TS]

00:21:13   things especially when mated to a [TS]

00:21:14   bluetooth keyboard that's probably [TS]

00:21:16   sufficient so say I wanted to write a [TS]

00:21:19   blog post downstairs while I'm sitting [TS]

00:21:21   next to her on the couch [TS]

00:21:22   I could use my iPad I could use her [TS]

00:21:24   laptop I could use my old laptop I could [TS]

00:21:26   use my work laptop so if i have like 80 [TS]

00:21:28   for portable devices rolling around the [TS]

00:21:30   house [TS]

00:21:31   do I really need another but i have a [TS]

00:21:33   couple of things that I really want [TS]

00:21:34   running all the time like plex for [TS]

00:21:36   example why not have that running on a [TS]

00:21:39   desktop rather than running on my yet my [TS]

00:21:42   laptop and so it seems to me like I'm [TS]

00:21:45   running out of good reasons to have a [TS]

00:21:49   laptop and so if I'm gonna get a desktop [TS]

00:21:52   and damned if I don't lust after these [TS]

00:21:54   like apple cinema displays that are all [TS]

00:21:56   over the place on the client that i'm [TS]

00:21:58   working at which we talked about in the [TS]

00:21:59   past [TS]

00:22:00   one just bite the bullet and get a damn [TS]

00:22:02   imac and that's what I did and I tell [TS]

00:22:04   you what it's weird only having one [TS]

00:22:07   monitor because at home [TS]

00:22:08   not right now actually because I put it [TS]

00:22:10   away but at home I typically have two [TS]

00:22:11   monitors at work I always have two [TS]

00:22:14   monitors it's weird only having one [TS]

00:22:16   monitor those you can have to donate [TS]

00:22:17   melon [TS]

00:22:18   yeah I know you thank you thank you oh [TS]

00:22:20   my god thank you i know you can have to [TS]

00:22:22   write but when it's a 27-inch screen [TS]

00:22:25   you really told needed it's really ok [TS]

00:22:28   and all my god is that screen beautiful [TS]

00:22:30   did you guys know that screen is really [TS]

00:22:32   pretty I feel like we should talk about [TS]

00:22:34   this in the past or something but Marco [TS]

00:22:36   has the worst one but I have the same [TS]

00:22:37   one as you know it if only somebody [TS]

00:22:42   would have told you about a month ago [TS]

00:22:43   but all the benefits of death yes yes [TS]

00:22:45   yes [TS]

00:22:46   so eventually i thought you know it's [TS]

00:22:48   all kidding aside I thought you know let [TS]

00:22:49   me just try this test something because [TS]

00:22:51   you know what it's a lot of fun time no [TS]

00:22:54   question full stop it's a lot of money [TS]

00:22:56   I what I got was under apologize i said [TS]

00:22:59   this already but I got a [TS]

00:22:59   middle-of-the-road 1i I got it with [TS]

00:23:02   eight gigs of ram because i was planning [TS]

00:23:03   on putting some aftermarket ram in it [TS]

00:23:05   did you get cpu I got the four 4 [TS]

00:23:08   gigahertz CPU yes and I got the one [TS]

00:23:12   terabyte SSD so basically a fairly [TS]

00:23:15   loaded middle-of-the-road i'm at 5k imac [TS]

00:23:19   because i didn't see the need for a [TS]

00:23:21   really fancy graphics card because I [TS]

00:23:23   don't ever play games so I i loved the [TS]

00:23:27   machine for the three hours to use that [TS]

00:23:30   benefited i and i'm really looking [TS]

00:23:32   forward to sticking with it i really [TS]

00:23:34   think this is probably going to be the [TS]

00:23:36   right answer for me ask me again in a [TS]

00:23:38   few months obviously and i say that both [TS]

00:23:40   sarcastically and seriously because I'm [TS]

00:23:42   curious to see if I miss it [TS]

00:23:43   who works here yeah if it works but i'm [TS]

00:23:47   i'm really thinking that that this was [TS]

00:23:49   probably the right answer especially if [TS]

00:23:51   I start doing a little more iOS [TS]

00:23:52   development which I'm i'm hoping to be [TS]

00:23:54   doing soon [TS]

00:23:56   that's a pretty good way to do it and i [TS]

00:23:57   will say that after having used this [TS]

00:24:01   27-inch 5k imac fourth two-and-a-half to [TS]

00:24:04   three hours as i was going to [TS]

00:24:07   troubleshoot I got out my work 15 inch [TS]

00:24:10   retina macbook pro and hand on heart the [TS]

00:24:14   first thing i thought to myself was holy [TS]

00:24:16   God the screen is tiny and is never [TS]

00:24:18   thought that 15 inch laptop ever before [TS]

00:24:22   in my life [TS]

00:24:24   yes so two things you you're not ruined [TS]

00:24:26   our first of all the screen quality of [TS]

00:24:29   the 5k is still way better even the 1i [TS]

00:24:33   have that that has the worst color gamut [TS]

00:24:34   than yours [TS]

00:24:35   it is the the screen on the 5k is way [TS]

00:24:38   better than the screen on any of the [TS]

00:24:39   laptops including the newest 15 will see [TS]

00:24:42   that changes when they go to sky like a [TS]

00:24:44   moon a few months or whatever but as of [TS]

00:24:46   today like it [TS]

00:24:48   the imax screen is by far the nicest [TS]

00:24:50   screen apple sells in my eye maybe ipad [TS]

00:24:53   pro I haven't looked too much added but [TS]

00:24:54   like I thought the ipad mini was [TS]

00:24:55   actually the best of the portables at me [TS]

00:24:58   maybe you know for like certain metrics [TS]

00:24:59   I you know I i know the test you're [TS]

00:25:01   talking about but I like among max I [TS]

00:25:03   think the 5k imac is just far away far [TS]

00:25:06   ahead of the other ones because just I [TS]

00:25:08   mean everything about it like that the [TS]

00:25:10   color the contrast like the the pixel [TS]

00:25:12   density I don't know a bunch of stuff i [TS]

00:25:15   understand it just looks great and once [TS]

00:25:16   you're accustomed to looking at a 5k [TS]

00:25:18   when you look at the retina macbook pro [TS]

00:25:21   you you can tell them they're in a macro [TS]

00:25:23   screen almost seems blurry by comparison [TS]

00:25:25   like its it is a very different look and [TS]

00:25:28   it looks fantastic on the 5k and so [TS]

00:25:30   first of all you are now ruined so yes [TS]

00:25:33   you can go ahead and plug in additional [TS]

00:25:35   monitors to it but you won't want to [TS]

00:25:37   because anything else you plug into it [TS]

00:25:39   look like garbage and apple is no is not [TS]

00:25:41   yet shipping a standalone version of [TS]

00:25:43   this monitor i hope they do in the [TS]

00:25:45   future and for people to do what [TS]

00:25:46   multi-monitor or who don't have a laptop [TS]

00:25:48   don't have a 5k but having a laptop or [TS]

00:25:50   something but for now this is the best [TS]

00:25:52   green apple sells the only way you can [TS]

00:25:53   get it is inside the 5ki and nothing [TS]

00:25:56   nothing else matches it and even having [TS]

00:25:59   a laptop next to it is is just no kinda [TS]

00:26:01   so a you ruin screen quality and B [TS]

00:26:03   you're definitely on screen size you [TS]

00:26:05   know now and this is how i feel about [TS]

00:26:07   how it felt for years ever since i got a [TS]

00:26:08   giant monitor like this I i can do work [TS]

00:26:11   on my 15-inch macbook pro and i have and [TS]

00:26:14   i need to usually a few times a year i [TS]

00:26:16   need to do something really heavy on the [TS]

00:26:18   map program glad I have it but every [TS]

00:26:20   time i do work on the map or i'm tempted [TS]

00:26:23   to work the macbook pro and I [TS]

00:26:24   can work on the desktop like either [TS]

00:26:26   either it's just on the outside of the [TS]

00:26:28   house or I'll be back to back home in a [TS]

00:26:31   couple days and i can do it then i will [TS]

00:26:33   just put off work until I can do it on [TS]

00:26:35   the big screen because i know that i [TS]

00:26:36   will wait happier and more productive [TS]

00:26:38   doing on the big screen so like you will [TS]

00:26:41   probably follow a similar path variable [TS]

00:26:45   people really well I could work on this [TS]

00:26:47   laptop but screen is so cramped but it's [TS]

00:26:50   might as well just wait till I can go [TS]

00:26:52   upstairs and do it on the imac yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:54   we'll say I am I am genuinely a little [TS]

00:26:56   i'm going to use the word worried [TS]

00:26:58   because I can't think of a better word [TS]

00:26:59   but i'm a little worried about what this [TS]

00:27:01   means for my home life and for my [TS]

00:27:05   relationship with aaron because I I [TS]

00:27:07   don't often sit with a laptop downstairs [TS]

00:27:09   next errand but i wouldn't say it's [TS]

00:27:11   uncommon either and now if I want to use [TS]

00:27:14   my computer I'm gonna have to be [TS]

00:27:16   upstairs in one of our bedrooms which [TS]

00:27:18   you know is always my in-home office and [TS]

00:27:21   that's what I'm saying right now to [TS]

00:27:22   record and so I don't want to ignore [TS]

00:27:25   Aaron on a regular basis [TS]

00:27:27   just because I want to be upstairs in my [TS]

00:27:29   fancy new imac but we'll see what [TS]

00:27:31   happens i mean if that's the most of my [TS]

00:27:33   problems I'm in pretty damn good shape [TS]

00:27:35   our nice so we'll see but I i don't mean [TS]

00:27:37   this to be snarky I mean I genuinely and [TS]

00:27:40   then the two and a half three hours [TS]

00:27:41   I'm i would I use the thing I really [TS]

00:27:44   really really loved it i really did and [TS]

00:27:46   admittedly some of that was a shiny but [TS]

00:27:49   it was fast it worked well I was [TS]

00:27:53   transferring things from both laptops to [TS]

00:27:55   the to the to the imac a God knows [TS]

00:27:58   what's gonna happen with that data if I [TS]

00:27:59   return it but anyway uh I was [TS]

00:28:01   transferring stuff to the imac at at [TS]

00:28:04   ridiculous speeds i was doing like 18 [TS]

00:28:06   things at once i'm a really heavy user [TS]

00:28:09   of what is its paces the multiple [TS]

00:28:11   virtual screens and it's all wrapped [TS]

00:28:13   into Mission Control now but i barely [TS]

00:28:15   use them on this imac because god help [TS]

00:28:17   me I have like 10 different windows open [TS]

00:28:20   at once shut up John I'd like 10 [TS]

00:28:23   different winter so but it wants which [TS]

00:28:25   is like eight more that i usually have I [TS]

00:28:27   don't know maybe I just have a simple [TS]

00:28:28   simple mind yet [TS]

00:28:29   I think you're not the only one with [TS]

00:28:31   spaces i see with all these youngsters [TS]

00:28:32   at work who [TS]

00:28:34   we have many more max at work now we [TS]

00:28:35   have many more youngsters at work and [TS]

00:28:38   ever ever it's very easy and multiple [TS]

00:28:39   monitors at work so that the domain like [TS]

00:28:44   the wave young people and generalizing [TS]

00:28:46   the way the young people i see at my [TS]

00:28:48   work these days you write exactly use [TS]

00:28:50   their max is that multiple monitors they [TS]

00:28:54   like lots of monitors like the more the [TS]

00:28:56   better one guy like six with wrinkles [TS]

00:28:58   and they full screen everything and they [TS]

00:29:02   attempt to use spaces in Mission Control [TS]

00:29:04   to cycle through things like I'll be [TS]

00:29:07   sitting there and watching somebody do [TS]

00:29:08   something that they're there they'll be [TS]

00:29:10   demonstrating something they'll have to [TS]

00:29:11   have a text editor full screen on one [TS]

00:29:13   17-inch monitor and another text editor [TS]

00:29:16   web browser for another 17-inch monitor [TS]

00:29:18   and sometimes would be like well go to [TS]

00:29:20   this web page go to the source file go [TS]

00:29:21   to this go do that go to the terminal [TS]

00:29:22   window all these things would fit like [TS]

00:29:24   117 screen at the person who like use [TS]

00:29:27   windows windows down because really [TS]

00:29:29   terminal terminal filling an entire [TS]

00:29:31   letterbox format 17 inch screen is [TS]

00:29:34   ridiculous right but instead it's like [TS]

00:29:37   where's that window again where that [TS]

00:29:38   window lots of gestures and keyboard [TS]

00:29:40   combinations to you know go through [TS]

00:29:42   spaces with the control arrow keys and [TS]

00:29:44   gestures to swipe from one to the other [TS]

00:29:45   to try to make the thing they're looking [TS]

00:29:47   for appear on one of the two screens and [TS]

00:29:50   I can't see what's in front of behind [TS]

00:29:52   they just have to like and they don't [TS]

00:29:53   seem to have an awareness there's no [TS]

00:29:54   like like it used to be where spaces [TS]

00:29:57   were 2d instead of just like a 1d strip [TS]

00:29:59   remember the 2d spaces things we go up [TS]

00:30:00   down left and right at least ever [TS]

00:30:02   fighting chance instead what I see it is [TS]

00:30:04   two screens that the icy hands moving [TS]

00:30:06   furiously I see two screens blink blink [TS]

00:30:08   blink blink blink blink blink [TS]

00:30:10   all I found it there and then we'll go [TS]

00:30:12   back to the thing okay blink blink blink [TS]

00:30:14   blink blink blink blink found this like [TS]

00:30:16   this is this does not seem efficient so [TS]

00:30:20   yeah anyway people like a movie should [TS]

00:30:23   we should know this from the from [TS]

00:30:24   Windows Windows taught us that people [TS]

00:30:25   like to maximize everything and the mac [TS]

00:30:28   users like well max used on maximizing [TS]

00:30:29   everything well guess what [TS]

00:30:31   now that Max are more common the people [TS]

00:30:33   who maximize everything have max and [TS]

00:30:34   they try to work the same way so don't [TS]

00:30:36   do that Casey it's a waste of your [TS]

00:30:38   screen space but i don't typically [TS]

00:30:40   maximize everything but what I typically [TS]

00:30:42   do is have spaces kind of Orient like [TS]

00:30:46   things [TS]

00:30:47   well as an example the probably the the [TS]

00:30:49   best example is I have one space that [TS]

00:30:52   has my work I am the relay slack and I [TS]

00:30:56   messages in three tiles on that space [TS]

00:31:00   they take up the whole screen so though [TS]

00:31:02   the left half the screen is work i am [TS]

00:31:04   this is on like a work computer of [TS]

00:31:05   course left half the screen is work i am [TS]

00:31:07   and then the right half the screen is [TS]

00:31:09   split in half so the top half is real a [TS]

00:31:12   slack and the bottom half is I messages [TS]

00:31:14   and that's actually what's going on [TS]

00:31:16   right now so that's just a simple [TS]

00:31:18   example and I like spaces it's not for [TS]

00:31:21   everyone but like i said when i was [TS]

00:31:22   using this imac i found that that I [TS]

00:31:25   could just tile damn near everything [TS]

00:31:27   into one space which is a weird thing [TS]

00:31:30   for me but but my love of spaces is also [TS]

00:31:32   the reason that I feel like I can't use [TS]

00:31:35   any other mouse other than the magic [TS]

00:31:37   mouse because i'm addicted to the [TS]

00:31:39   two-finger swipe I understand that [TS]

00:31:41   Mike's beloved MX revolution or whatever [TS]

00:31:43   it is has configurations in which you [TS]

00:31:45   can swap spaces with buttons and whatnot [TS]

00:31:47   but but for me I've always use the magic [TS]

00:31:51   mouse i love it plus the mass crippled [TS]

00:31:52   him so then that Mouse also crippled him [TS]

00:31:54   so there's that [TS]

00:31:55   minor details right no big deal right so [TS]

00:31:59   anyway so yes I in my brief usage and [TS]

00:32:01   again I know I sound snarky but I'm not [TS]

00:32:03   trying to be in my very brief usage of [TS]

00:32:04   this machine I actually really really [TS]

00:32:06   really liked it and if I return it [TS]

00:32:09   tomorrow if I get it repaired tomorrow [TS]

00:32:10   one way or the other i am looking [TS]

00:32:12   forward to having some [TS]

00:32:13   honest-to-goodness time with it but it [TS]

00:32:16   was fast it was it was nice it was [TS]

00:32:19   pretty the screen was beautiful i really [TS]

00:32:22   enjoy the new peripheral peripherals the [TS]

00:32:25   under the new magic mouse seemed roughly [TS]

00:32:27   the same to me I couldn't tell any major [TS]

00:32:29   differences like I understand what the [TS]

00:32:31   differences are but just from feel and [TS]

00:32:34   whatnot I couldn't really tell the [TS]

00:32:35   differences the new keyboard though I [TS]

00:32:37   really really liked a lot I feel like [TS]

00:32:39   every single Apple keyboard in the house [TS]

00:32:41   i have the 2011 macbook pro I of the [TS]

00:32:44   2013-2015 macbook pro i have the hundred [TS]

00:32:48   one keyboard i have a4 battery bluetooth [TS]

00:32:51   keyboard i have errands macbook air [TS]

00:32:54   every single one of those keyboards I [TS]

00:32:56   swear to you feels just a little bit [TS]

00:32:57   different but i really liked the new the [TS]

00:33:00   new bluetooth one I've what is it the [TS]

00:33:02   magic keyboard or something i always get [TS]

00:33:04   the names wrong anyway the whatever the [TS]

00:33:06   brand new one is I really liked it a lot [TS]

00:33:08   so so the hardware accepting the fact [TS]

00:33:10   that it died with this waterfall and and [TS]

00:33:15   I you know it too quick personal [TS]

00:33:18   anecdote my office is a disaster [TS]

00:33:21   the the one in my house is a disaster [TS]

00:33:22   you could barely see the carpet and [TS]

00:33:24   there was like a path between the door [TS]

00:33:26   and the chair and that was about it and [TS]

00:33:28   in preparation for this thing it was as [TS]

00:33:30   it was marching across the country [TS]

00:33:32   I finally did what aaron has been [TS]

00:33:33   begging me to do for like two years now [TS]

00:33:35   and I cleaned up my office and my desk [TS]

00:33:38   was all clean i have a glass desk [TS]

00:33:39   because I've had it forever but I guess [TS]

00:33:41   I'm that kind of loser and so I have [TS]

00:33:43   this glass desk is all cleaned off i [TS]

00:33:45   moved my mic from one side of the desk [TS]

00:33:47   to the other with your podcasters like a [TS]

00:33:49   really big deal and I was all ready to [TS]

00:33:51   go with it was going to be great and now [TS]

00:33:55   it's in my trunk to get prepared to [TS]

00:33:57   return tomorrow [TS]

00:33:59   that's sucks yeah i'm very sad because I [TS]

00:34:01   really do feel so bad for you because i [TS]

00:34:03   like i like i just as i said earlier [TS]

00:34:05   like the idea of like you know having [TS]

00:34:07   like you know thought about it and saved [TS]

00:34:09   up and finally ordered and track and [TS]

00:34:12   receive this thing only to have it then [TS]

00:34:13   just be broken like it just it's such a [TS]

00:34:15   damper on which should be like the [TS]

00:34:17   exciting time that you finally got you [TS]

00:34:19   know you you paid for you waited [TS]

00:34:21   patiently got it and like I said I as [TS]

00:34:24   silly as it is one of the things I was [TS]

00:34:26   most excited for what's to say to you [TS]

00:34:28   get was to say to the two of you guess [TS]

00:34:29   what writing talking you're my new hat [TS]

00:34:32   like I said I went out when i was doing [TS]

00:34:34   all of this installation i had already [TS]

00:34:36   had my mic connected because there's no [TS]

00:34:38   reason not to [TS]

00:34:39   and then nevermind that time so anyway [TS]

00:34:43   we've talked about this far too long we [TS]

00:34:45   should probably do some follow-up [TS]

00:34:46   especially since we have a fair bit of [TS]

00:34:47   it but I appreciate you indulging me and [TS]

00:34:50   next week we will have some amount to [TS]

00:34:53   follow up either i returned it or maybe [TS]

00:34:56   I gotta repaired we'll see what happens [TS]

00:34:58   but i wont will follow back up next week [TS]

00:35:00   before you move on do you want to [TS]

00:35:02   preemptively apologize to Declan for his [TS]

00:35:05   bed minecraft 2.3 frame rates [TS]

00:35:08   haha well given that he's what 14 and a [TS]

00:35:11   half months now I'm not too worried [TS]

00:35:13   about I said minecraft 2.3 by the time [TS]

00:35:16   he reaches minecraft age you'll still [TS]

00:35:18   have that computer he'll be using it and [TS]

00:35:20   the new version of Minecraft will [TS]

00:35:21   probably not get great frame rates and [TS]

00:35:23   they'll ask why and then you'll have to [TS]

00:35:24   explain to him daddy didn't want the [TS]

00:35:26   good graphics card if you do you really [TS]

00:35:28   think that good graphics card make a [TS]

00:35:29   difference when he's playing a game on a [TS]

00:35:31   seven-year-old computer i think it will [TS]

00:35:33   because minecraft like I assume there [TS]

00:35:35   will be no minecraft to who knows at [TS]

00:35:37   that point in his life but minecraft [TS]

00:35:39   does can be surprisingly demanding if [TS]

00:35:42   you crank everything up to max on my 5k [TS]

00:35:46   iMac which was the best video card that [TS]

00:35:47   you can get in that particular machine [TS]

00:35:48   you can make it chug occasionally like [TS]

00:35:50   it can happen you know obviously he's [TS]

00:35:53   not going to have the graphic settings [TS]

00:35:54   max but I think even its standard [TS]

00:35:55   graphics settings with a reasonable draw [TS]

00:35:57   distance by the time he is of age and [TS]

00:36:01   minecraft has evolved to have slightly [TS]

00:36:03   fancier graphics perhaps it's not gonna [TS]

00:36:06   be a great frame rates then it's [TS]

00:36:07   someone's going to answer for that and [TS]

00:36:09   well I guess I'll explain to if you [TS]

00:36:10   don't want to because it's not like [TS]

00:36:12   you're gonna get rid of that beautiful [TS]

00:36:13   screen that you're going to use that [TS]

00:36:14   thing for as the like it'll be a viable [TS]

00:36:16   computer for a really long time except [TS]

00:36:18   maybe for Minecraft okay first of all I [TS]

00:36:21   need to teach you guys about selling [TS]

00:36:22   computers while they're still worth [TS]

00:36:23   something [TS]

00:36:24   second of all second of all I love John [TS]

00:36:28   that you that you assume there might not [TS]

00:36:30   be a minecraft to I know Microsoft Bob [TS]

00:36:33   Dom I understand it's a billion-dollar [TS]

00:36:35   business there will definitely be a [TS]

00:36:38   minecraft to it might not be good and it [TS]

00:36:40   might not be for a while but there will [TS]

00:36:42   definitely be a minecraft snow it's [TS]

00:36:43   already on the app store to just an ok [TS]

00:36:45   right now I mean like for this way if [TS]

00:36:49   not still owned it i mean there were [TS]

00:36:50   additional should have already been a [TS]

00:36:52   minecraft to intrude but there wasn't [TS]

00:36:53   because the the company and the person [TS]

00:36:55   who owned it just continued to revise [TS]

00:36:57   the program and continue to sell you [TS]

00:37:00   know the original program now the micro [TS]

00:37:02   zones that you're right there will [TS]

00:37:03   surely be a minecraft at some point but [TS]

00:37:06   i'm not quite sure when that will be [TS]

00:37:08   could be borderline [TS]

00:37:09   they and I don't know what kind of [TS]

00:37:10   priority this for them to get my [TS]

00:37:13   together minecraft to out versus just [TS]

00:37:16   revising and continue to sell minecraft [TS]

00:37:18   and every single new platforms because [TS]

00:37:19   they are selling same game over and over [TS]

00:37:20   again with selling ps4 the cell wall no [TS]

00:37:23   less so now but now this element xbox [TS]

00:37:25   one they'll saw the pc version probably [TS]

00:37:27   so windows phone version you know the [TS]

00:37:30   salt keeps on the iOS version so i don't [TS]

00:37:34   know for their there's a burning need to [TS]

00:37:36   make a minecraft to before Declan [TS]

00:37:38   reaches that age people say we respond [TS]

00:37:40   to this week by blue apron helping you [TS]

00:37:42   cook better at home to a blue apron calm [TS]

00:37:45   / ATP to be your first two meals for [TS]

00:37:47   free [TS]

00:37:48   look you need to know how to cook not [TS]

00:37:50   only should you know your way around the [TS]

00:37:51   kitchen but cooking at home it's eating [TS]

00:37:52   healthier and saving money instead of [TS]

00:37:54   ordering expensive unhealthy takeout [TS]

00:37:56   every night but where do you start blue [TS]

00:37:58   apron has you covered for less than ten [TS]

00:38:00   dollars per meal they deliver all the [TS]

00:38:02   fresh ingredients you need to create [TS]

00:38:03   home-cooked meals just follow the easy [TS]

00:38:05   step-by-step instructions they give you [TS]

00:38:06   for each recipe with pictures of every [TS]

00:38:08   step right on the recipe cards so you [TS]

00:38:10   can see exactly what's supposed to look [TS]

00:38:11   like it comes exactly the ingredients [TS]

00:38:13   you need there's no like massive amount [TS]

00:38:15   of extra like summer but you need to [TS]

00:38:17   throw away in a week when it goes when [TS]

00:38:19   it was rotten and regardless of your [TS]

00:38:20   dietary preferences they have lots of [TS]

00:38:22   options they make it a breeze to [TS]

00:38:23   discover and prepare dishes right in [TS]

00:38:25   your own kitchen so this week they have [TS]

00:38:27   things like garganelli pasta and tomato [TS]

00:38:29   sauce with fresh mozzarella and arugula [TS]

00:38:31   orange salad that's all that's a [TS]

00:38:33   mouthful literally texting and buffalo [TS]

00:38:36   chicken sandwiches with endive and blue [TS]

00:38:38   cheese salad also cook with ingredients [TS]

00:38:39   that you've probably never used before [TS]

00:38:41   like this week's poblano chili or baby [TS]

00:38:44   bok choy or pearl onions now all these [TS]

00:38:46   recipes are between 500 and 700 calories [TS]

00:38:49   per portion so it's really delicious and [TS]

00:38:51   good for you right now you can get your [TS]

00:38:53   first two meals for free at blue apron [TS]

00:38:55   calm / ATP that's blue apron calm / ATP [TS]

00:38:59   blue apron a better way to cook i am [TS]

00:39:02   still thinking about that time soup they [TS]

00:39:03   had like two months ago [TS]

00:39:04   man that was good yet you know it's [TS]

00:39:06   funny you bring that up so as part of [TS]

00:39:08   blue apron sponsoring us they gave us a [TS]

00:39:10   few weeks of free meals and i have been [TS]

00:39:12   wanting to try blue apron for the [TS]

00:39:14   longest time it took us all of one week [TS]

00:39:16   for Aaron and I to look at each other [TS]

00:39:17   and say this might be worth it because [TS]

00:39:19   this is really really really good [TS]

00:39:22   and tonight we had korean and I'm a [TS]

00:39:24   butcher this korean t och and spicy pork [TS]

00:39:26   ragout and this was one of those things [TS]

00:39:29   that it's not totally out of our comfort [TS]

00:39:31   zone but not in our comfort zone if that [TS]

00:39:34   makes sense and oh man was it really [TS]

00:39:37   good [TS]

00:39:37   and last week was our first week we had [TS]

00:39:39   a few different things they were all [TS]

00:39:40   good now I really i'm really loving [TS]

00:39:43   brunette blue apron so far and I think [TS]

00:39:45   it's a pretty much done deal that Aaron [TS]

00:39:48   and I are going to end up signing up and [TS]

00:39:49   actually using our own money to pay for [TS]

00:39:51   it because it's awesome [TS]

00:39:52   Casey we had the same dinner today did [TS]

00:39:54   we all that's the likely i have the [TS]

00:39:55   exact same thing at the exact same blue [TS]

00:39:57   apron meal yeah did you like it I did it [TS]

00:40:00   was one of my favorite ones that have [TS]

00:40:02   had so far [TS]

00:40:02   yes same here like it was one of those [TS]

00:40:04   things where we were both like yeah [TS]

00:40:05   we'll try it we'll see how it goes and [TS]

00:40:07   then Aaron and I looked at each other [TS]

00:40:08   after having had a few bright and we [TS]

00:40:10   were like wow is this code you like we [TS]

00:40:12   didn't expect it [TS]

00:40:13   yeah you can i found that have not been [TS]

00:40:14   able to predict like ahead of time which [TS]

00:40:16   ones are going to like which ones are [TS]

00:40:18   not going to mostly because I there you [TS]

00:40:19   know there are so very big you really [TS]

00:40:22   have no I have no like baseline to say [TS]

00:40:26   well i like that i don't know I've never [TS]

00:40:27   heard anything like that before and the [TS]

00:40:30   other thing I'd add this is getting out [TS]

00:40:31   of the everybody into like blue apron [TS]

00:40:33   hacks I don't know if this thing that [TS]

00:40:34   people do so say you sign up look blue [TS]

00:40:36   apron and you do it for a while and it's [TS]

00:40:38   like interesting it like one of the [TS]

00:40:39   reasons I think you should do it even if [TS]

00:40:41   you just do it for a short time is just [TS]

00:40:43   to see you try a bunch of different [TS]

00:40:44   foods or whatever and they give you like [TS]

00:40:47   the given credence and they also give [TS]

00:40:48   you like a no its you isn't always one [TS]

00:40:50   page market now like a one-page thing on [TS]

00:40:52   how to cook it that I've never seen it [TS]

00:40:54   be more than one pic it's always but [TS]

00:40:55   it's always one sheet of paper with [TS]

00:40:56   about eight steps in the back right and [TS]

00:40:58   it has the ingredients on the other side [TS]

00:41:00   right well the front of it has like a [TS]

00:41:01   big picture and a list of ingredients [TS]

00:41:02   and the back of it has like like a two [TS]

00:41:05   column grid of instructions with photos [TS]

00:41:07   of each step right so when you're done [TS]

00:41:09   with Ricky instead you decided not to [TS]

00:41:10   pay for it anymore [TS]

00:41:11   you still have all those recipes so if [TS]

00:41:13   you liked one of them in theory you [TS]

00:41:15   could go and make it yourself go buy the [TS]

00:41:16   ingredients yourself me not going to get [TS]

00:41:18   the perfect little portions the blue [TS]

00:41:19   apron games you see often just the [TS]

00:41:21   amount that maybe you have leftovers and [TS]

00:41:22   maybe you will have that [TS]

00:41:23   damn you know urban and the refrigerator [TS]

00:41:26   but you can make these again yourself [TS]

00:41:29   like there's no reason like if you find [TS]

00:41:30   one that super favorite just add it to [TS]

00:41:32   your collection of things that you [TS]

00:41:33   regularly make for yourself [TS]

00:41:35   yeah we've only been with blueprints for [TS]

00:41:37   only six months now we've been a bit was [TS]

00:41:39   long before they were sponsored we've [TS]

00:41:41   been using them and we we've been doing [TS]

00:41:42   that since the start we've collected all [TS]

00:41:44   of our for all the recipes we like we [TS]

00:41:45   just have this giant stack of the [TS]

00:41:46   typically on a bookshelf [TS]

00:41:48   yeah yeah yeah and it brought the [TS]

00:41:50   problem i had i try want to make the [TS]

00:41:52   awesome i think it's like chicken costly [TS]

00:41:54   or something i'm sorry i forget i forget [TS]

00:41:56   the name of it is but is this awesome [TS]

00:41:57   chicken thai soup and I tried to go buy [TS]

00:42:00   the ingredients for last week and just [TS]

00:42:02   like my store had almost none of them [TS]

00:42:04   but the lights i will be using it a long [TS]

00:42:07   time and that that should tell you need [TS]

00:42:09   to know I mean we keep using it what I [TS]

00:42:10   like about it at this is way too long to [TS]

00:42:12   respond to read but I'm sorry what I [TS]

00:42:13   like about it is that with the reason we [TS]

00:42:16   said we did it was that we don't like to [TS]

00:42:17   have to think about like what are we [TS]

00:42:19   making this week and then plan huge like [TS]

00:42:21   that let we lasted like two weeks trying [TS]

00:42:23   to do that and every six months we will [TS]

00:42:25   try to do that again and we will just [TS]

00:42:27   fail so soon afterwards they take all [TS]

00:42:29   the decision-making advocates for it [TS]

00:42:30   which is really nice when when you just [TS]

00:42:33   don't want to have to make all of these [TS]

00:42:35   decisions about what are we having every [TS]

00:42:37   single night you know so it's really [TS]

00:42:38   nice for that chatroom says the recipes [TS]

00:42:41   are actually available online for free [TS]

00:42:42   blue apron calm / cookbook and also [TS]

00:42:45   their logo looks like totoro so there [TS]

00:42:46   you go [TS]

00:42:47   what market you're a spot right so all [TS]

00:42:50   right so we should we we should do some [TS]

00:42:52   follow-up and we have a fair bit so [TS]

00:42:54   let's buckle up kids let's start with we [TS]

00:42:56   talked about flex a little bit last [TS]

00:42:58   episode in or maybe the episode 4 but [TS]

00:43:00   regardless we got a lot of people [TS]

00:43:02   writing in to ask have you tried infused [TS]

00:43:05   for the apple TV and we'll have a link [TS]

00:43:06   in the show notes the idea within infuse [TS]

00:43:09   is that it's somewhat plex like in that [TS]

00:43:11   it will autodiscover metadata about your [TS]

00:43:15   your media collection so it will show [TS]

00:43:18   you your list of movies with with movie [TS]

00:43:21   posters and things of that nature but [TS]

00:43:23   the real the real kick in the real the [TS]

00:43:27   party trick that infuse has from what [TS]

00:43:29   I've gathered is that it will actually [TS]

00:43:31   do the transcoding on your device so [TS]

00:43:34   really there's no [TS]

00:43:36   there's no reason that you couldn't just [TS]

00:43:38   sit a bunch of files on an undermanned [TS]

00:43:40   on a underpowered synology and let [TS]

00:43:44   infuse just look at it and then do the [TS]

00:43:46   transcoding right on the appletv that is [TS]

00:43:49   excellent and it sounds great i haven't [TS]

00:43:50   tried it yet but it does sound good [TS]

00:43:52   the problem I have with this though is [TS]

00:43:53   that it doesn't solve a couple of the [TS]

00:43:54   other problems that that I that flex [TS]

00:43:58   does pics which is number one it doesn't [TS]

00:44:01   give you external access to your media [TS]

00:44:03   so one of the greatest pieces of plex is [TS]

00:44:06   that you can get to your media from [TS]

00:44:07   outside of your home if you set it up [TS]

00:44:09   properly and secondly you can't share [TS]

00:44:12   other people's libraries so like Marco [TS]

00:44:14   and John and I we've all shared our [TS]

00:44:16   libraries with each other so that Marco [TS]

00:44:19   for example could stream one of the [TS]

00:44:21   movies that i have been doing it all [TS]

00:44:22   week him from my house to his house [TS]

00:44:26   we've been watching through your top [TS]

00:44:27   gear well right in the reason that [TS]

00:44:28   hasn't worked for the last 24 hours is [TS]

00:44:30   because I moved all my plex stuff to the [TS]

00:44:31   imac that's now my trunk but anyway so [TS]

00:44:35   yeah so it doesn't do that it doesn't do [TS]

00:44:37   external access and doesn't sharing yeah [TS]

00:44:39   I tried to infuse as soon as people [TS]

00:44:40   suggested because i'll jump on top of [TS]

00:44:41   anything like as soon as we talked about [TS]

00:44:42   i don't know i was like many many shows [TS]

00:44:44   are great if used by I immediately [TS]

00:44:46   bought the ten-dollar like pro version [TS]

00:44:48   whatever yes sure go come right now i'll [TS]

00:44:50   give it a dry side on seeing you know [TS]

00:44:51   because I got two recommendations from [TS]

00:44:53   it from random strangers but the reason [TS]

00:44:56   the whole reason i wanted it i'm trying [TS]

00:44:58   to support the app economy the whole [TS]

00:44:59   reason you're the one i had this file [TS]

00:45:03   that i was trying to play that I had to [TS]

00:45:06   eventually end up using my eyes when I [TS]

00:45:08   use my imac is the flexor for because [TS]

00:45:10   the imac is no problem transcoding it [TS]

00:45:11   the Plex served from the imac to my [TS]

00:45:14   appletv was the only thing that played [TS]

00:45:17   this thing with all you know but played [TS]

00:45:20   at all period but played smoothly and [TS]

00:45:21   everything so i tried to use I mean look [TS]

00:45:23   at those and that exact file which turns [TS]

00:45:25   out is this is the info from mplayer so [TS]

00:45:27   I don't know how to parse it but it's [TS]

00:45:29   hevc which i think is h.264 particular [TS]

00:45:32   profile 1920 x 1080 so 1080i don't know [TS]

00:45:36   what I or pse misspeak it's a video file [TS]

00:45:39   24 frames per second about 1,100 [TS]

00:45:43   kilobits per second to track 48 [TS]

00:45:46   kilohertz AAC audio [TS]

00:45:48   the appletv can't play without [TS]

00:45:50   stuttering so it's it's it's the it's in [TS]

00:45:53   decoding on the device [TS]

00:45:55   you can't handle this so i was sad [TS]

00:45:56   because that was the one reason i bought [TS]

00:45:58   it but aside from that it's a reasonable [TS]

00:46:01   like wait like it Casey said if you have [TS]

00:46:03   a whole bunch of folders full of video [TS]

00:46:06   files sitting somewhere in your network [TS]

00:46:08   this will go through the folders and [TS]

00:46:09   play stuff for you and so I'm not sad [TS]

00:46:13   that I partners that I am said that [TS]

00:46:14   apparently their software combined with [TS]

00:46:18   the wimpy eight relatively 28 cpu [TS]

00:46:22   system-on-a-chip thing inside my appletv [TS]

00:46:24   can't play this fairly demanding file [TS]

00:46:27   and i already watched also i watch it on [TS]

00:46:29   my iPad by the way what I did was I [TS]

00:46:30   wanted to plex and finally I finally had [TS]

00:46:32   to give in and say fine flex you can [TS]

00:46:35   optimize this Court optimize it by Kyrie [TS]

00:46:38   including into a smaller size and then I [TS]

00:46:40   watched it on my TV and on my iPad over [TS]

00:46:41   the course of a few days is that you [TS]

00:46:43   said this was hevc video because that's [TS]

00:46:46   h.265 that's kind of a big deal [TS]

00:46:48   that's like that's it's very reasonable [TS]

00:46:50   to not be strong enough to play that [TS]

00:46:52   well that's probably doesn't have it [TS]

00:46:54   doesn't have the hardware i was remember [TS]

00:46:55   reading about some apple thing that [TS]

00:46:57   actually has h.265 hardware but it isn't [TS]

00:47:00   actually used but anyway yeah that would [TS]

00:47:02   make sense in that like I infused [TS]

00:47:04   probably does great because the aid has [TS]

00:47:07   dedicated h.264 decode hardware but if [TS]

00:47:09   it's not h.264 and instead of h.265 and [TS]

00:47:12   is this magic doesn't have hardware for [TS]

00:47:14   it or the hardware isn't enabled by [TS]

00:47:16   apple's OS then you would have to be [TS]

00:47:18   trying to draw on the cpu and I can [TS]

00:47:19   understand why would choke to death [TS]

00:47:21   yeah I'm i also should point out that [TS]

00:47:24   just earlier today I listen to mac power [TS]

00:47:27   users episode 2 99 which we will put a [TS]

00:47:30   link in the show notes and if you've [TS]

00:47:32   ever wanted a unbiased opinion about are [TS]

00:47:36   certainly not by me opinion about plex [TS]

00:47:38   if you've wondered how to get started [TS]

00:47:41   with it if you've wondered what it what [TS]

00:47:43   it brings to the table [TS]

00:47:44   listen to back our users 299 is really [TS]

00:47:46   great episode that goes on to all into [TS]

00:47:48   plex [TS]

00:47:48   so you should check that out here's one [TS]

00:47:50   more drive-by complained about flex [TS]

00:47:51   which I cannot believe that they don't [TS]

00:47:53   do I just assume they did maybe I'm [TS]

00:47:54   and yet so you you have a blog post [TS]

00:47:56   where you can link in the show notes [TS]

00:47:57   Casey about like introduction to plex [TS]

00:47:59   that you did that a while ago like how [TS]

00:48:01   to name your files linking to like the [TS]

00:48:02   Plex file naming guide and figure out [TS]

00:48:04   I'm like and I wondered when i read that [TS]

00:48:06   the time like because I wasn't using [TS]

00:48:08   flex that much like this seems weird me [TS]

00:48:10   why is he doing this just because like [TS]

00:48:12   if you want to have everything perfect [TS]

00:48:13   just do it this way but like surely [TS]

00:48:15   there's a feature in this thing where [TS]

00:48:16   you can essentially just find some media [TS]

00:48:18   that he didn't either a shrug your [TS]

00:48:20   shoulders a tour has misidentified and [TS]

00:48:21   say all you got it wrong and go in there [TS]

00:48:24   and just type some random words in the [TS]

00:48:25   search box until you find the surgeries [TS]

00:48:27   all you want to go yes that one so like [TS]

00:48:29   say you mislabeled star wars or [TS]

00:48:31   something and it is confused about what [TS]

00:48:33   it is you know I got well you don't know [TS]

00:48:35   what this is because i have the the [TS]

00:48:36   files named we're whatever so I'm just [TS]

00:48:38   going to go in your search box and type [TS]

00:48:40   star wars and see the 8000 results for [TS]

00:48:42   star wars and find the one that is not [TS]

00:48:43   the special edition but the original [TS]

00:48:45   1977 version just click on that one so [TS]

00:48:47   yeah this is that one is that feature [TS]

00:48:49   not exist and flex it exists I can't [TS]

00:48:51   find it does i can't find it [TS]

00:48:53   I could swear it does but I can't walk [TS]

00:48:55   you through where it is because my imac [TS]

00:48:56   is too much fuckin money maybe I haven't [TS]

00:48:59   found it yet but every time I go to edit [TS]

00:49:00   the metadata it's like you know if I [TS]

00:49:03   name the file then yeah we'll figure it [TS]

00:49:05   out if I don't name the file right all i [TS]

00:49:07   can do is like a pic cover art to stop [TS]

00:49:08   it is totally wrong about the metadata I [TS]

00:49:11   can't do a search and say surely the [TS]

00:49:13   database that you are using has this [TS]

00:49:15   metadata and that you're just not [TS]

00:49:16   finding the right one [TS]

00:49:17   so rather than me editing the individual [TS]

00:49:19   mandate which I don't want to do I just [TS]

00:49:20   want to say let me do a search of your [TS]

00:49:23   big database cool stuff like a pretty [TS]

00:49:25   broad search and let me pick the blob of [TS]

00:49:27   metadata that I'm telling you is this [TS]

00:49:28   one so that I can manually fix [TS]

00:49:30   everything that I had like so that if I [TS]

00:49:32   didn't know how to label like some you [TS]

00:49:34   know special of a show like a christmas [TS]

00:49:36   special the show that's not part of any [TS]

00:49:38   particular season I didn't know the [TS]

00:49:39   secret season 0 weird you know [TS]

00:49:42   convention they have to be like oh well [TS]

00:49:43   let me just do a chronological certain [TS]

00:49:46   search of the most recent episodes from [TS]

00:49:47   this series and i will find whatever [TS]

00:49:50   blob of metadata corresponds to this and [TS]

00:49:52   then click on it will automatically [TS]

00:49:53   label it's like season 0 I would never [TS]

00:49:55   figure that out my [TS]

00:49:56   anyway we still still working through my [TS]

00:49:59   expertise [TS]

00:50:00   yeah you know the thing with flexes its [TS]

00:50:02   very opinionated about file names and [TS]

00:50:03   file conventions but once you understand [TS]

00:50:06   its opinions it's actually very simple [TS]

00:50:08   to to work with and that's what my blog [TS]

00:50:10   post was about i am almost positive the [TS]

00:50:12   feature that you're talking about John [TS]

00:50:13   about fixing mismatches i'm almost sure [TS]

00:50:16   it's there but i don't want to say that [TS]

00:50:18   for certainty because i can't try it [TS]

00:50:20   right now because again my plex server [TS]

00:50:22   is currently in the trunk of my car [TS]

00:50:23   yeah i'll keep looking for it but uh the [TS]

00:50:26   the thing with the opinionated naming [TS]

00:50:28   its opinions are wrong so I refuse to [TS]

00:50:31   comply I know the name is he may have [TS]

00:50:33   read the documentation but there's no [TS]

00:50:35   way in hell I'm putting a year in [TS]

00:50:36   parenthesis at the end of my movies or [TS]

00:50:38   television shows no and I object to [TS]

00:50:40   season 0 I don't like for the record [TS]

00:50:44   season 04 for TV shows and specials so [TS]

00:50:47   like the top your polar special for [TS]

00:50:49   example would be a season 0 entry anyway [TS]

00:50:52   uh we have a fair bit of feedback about [TS]

00:50:53   Swift and default final and and i'm [TS]

00:50:56   stunned I'm flabbergasted [TS]

00:50:58   it appears that Marco has done some [TS]

00:51:00   homework and put something in the show [TS]

00:51:01   notes I flat an email yeah wow yeah i [TS]

00:51:04   hit three keys to make this happen [TS]

00:51:05   are you okay do you feel right no all [TS]

00:51:10   right so this was a feedback from nick [TS]

00:51:12   my caucus from a longer email is very [TS]

00:51:15   thoughtful memory just a quote here he [TS]

00:51:17   says we're talking about Swift basically [TS]

00:51:19   having having classes be default final [TS]

00:51:22   as as a proposed change the language [TS]

00:51:24   during the revolution that's kind of a [TS]

00:51:26   debate raging on right now and this [TS]

00:51:28   would mean basically that by default [TS]

00:51:29   classes could be subclassed that you [TS]

00:51:32   could supply seems to exist in the [TS]

00:51:33   language but rather but the default [TS]

00:51:35   unless the class was specially marked [TS]

00:51:37   with whatever keyword would say you know [TS]

00:51:39   extensible or whatever that the default [TS]

00:51:41   will be u cant some class things so nick [TS]

00:51:43   says the late eighties and early [TS]

00:51:45   nineties with the heyday for [TS]

00:51:47   object-oriented programming language [TS]

00:51:48   designed in that time like c++ get to [TS]

00:51:51   see in Java it was taken as a given that [TS]

00:51:53   subclassing was a good thing and should [TS]

00:51:54   be used pervasively however a couple of [TS]

00:51:56   decades of experiences with such [TS]

00:51:58   languages has led to two key insight i [TS]

00:52:00   think we've learned as an industry the [TS]

00:52:01   first met in order to write classes that [TS]

00:52:03   can be robustly extended through [TS]

00:52:05   inheritance allowing both the base and [TS]

00:52:07   derived classes to evolve with minimal [TS]

00:52:09   risk of breaking each other [TS]

00:52:10   see also the fragile base class problem [TS]

00:52:11   careful consideration should be given at [TS]

00:52:14   the time the classes designed and [TS]

00:52:15   written i think this argues for default [TS]

00:52:17   close [TS]

00:52:18   I think we've learned even more [TS]

00:52:19   important lesson though which is the [TS]

00:52:21   class inheritance should be thought of [TS]

00:52:22   as a limited tool to solve a prescribed [TS]

00:52:24   set of problems not a general mechanism [TS]

00:52:27   for code reuse so this makes a lot of [TS]

00:52:29   sense to me like this i totally agree [TS]

00:52:31   with Nick you know I I think I i kinda [TS]

00:52:33   breeze by Latin we talked about this [TS]

00:52:35   last week a quick statement basically [TS]

00:52:37   saying like I think we've seen a lot of [TS]

00:52:38   anti-patterns and and dysfunction that [TS]

00:52:40   subclassing everywhere can bring and [TS]

00:52:43   some of the challenges of bringing some [TS]

00:52:44   other i think i agree that that you know [TS]

00:52:46   what we've seen is that it basically [TS]

00:52:48   shouldn't be the default thats [TS]

00:52:51   everywhere and the java people will will [TS]

00:52:54   have to find a different way to program [TS]

00:52:56   i guess and and they can take it and the [TS]

00:52:58   PHP people have to find something to [TS]

00:52:59   copy it was actually a pretty pretty old [TS]

00:53:02   no-good of wisdom the whole that the the [TS]

00:53:05   downsides of subclassing and you can [TS]

00:53:08   tell it's old because objective-c is in [TS]

00:53:12   many ways a reaction to it objective-c [TS]

00:53:13   is like nineteen eighty nine ish like it [TS]

00:53:15   is itself a very old language and not [TS]

00:53:18   objective c so much more like the [TS]

00:53:19   frameworks built on a napkin or whatever [TS]

00:53:21   it was called I think maybe was always [TS]

00:53:23   called app but anyway the next the next [TS]

00:53:25   step frameworks especially the UI [TS]

00:53:27   frameworks use delegation a lot a lot [TS]

00:53:30   more than contemporary frameworks for [TS]

00:53:33   doing similar things that were all about [TS]

00:53:34   subclassing they were either you know [TS]

00:53:36   functional much because they don't have [TS]

00:53:37   object classes at all or they were [TS]

00:53:39   enamored of the idea of subclassing but [TS]

00:53:42   the next api's and frameworks heavily [TS]

00:53:45   used the delegation patterns to avoid [TS]

00:53:48   subclassing to say this is a better way [TS]

00:53:50   that way we have understandable [TS]

00:53:51   individual objects that just use each [TS]

00:53:54   other to do things and the way you alter [TS]

00:53:57   behavior is by giving it a different [TS]

00:53:59   delegate I mean how that's essentially [TS]

00:54:00   Marco correct me if I'm wrong [TS]

00:54:03   the the next equivalent of like you know [TS]

00:54:05   you don't write a main routine there is [TS]

00:54:07   a main routine obviously but your app [TS]

00:54:09   delegate is basically your application [TS]

00:54:11   am I am i correct in my vague [TS]

00:54:13   understanding of the cocoa frameworks [TS]

00:54:16   yeah you don't subclass your application [TS]

00:54:18   like you right you provide a delegate [TS]

00:54:20   that conforms to the protocol and you [TS]

00:54:22   get messages delivered there [TS]

00:54:23   and if you don't pay attention that [TS]

00:54:25   blows over time and eventually all of [TS]

00:54:27   the code in your app is in the app [TS]

00:54:28   delegate well then that's like reading [TS]

00:54:30   all your coat and main like a rookie [TS]

00:54:32   mistake but yeah but yeah but like so [TS]

00:54:34   even even like the the very simplest [TS]

00:54:37   starting point of your program is done [TS]

00:54:39   through delegation and lots of the UI [TS]

00:54:41   frameworks are done through delegation [TS]

00:54:42   because and then you know delegation [TS]

00:54:44   eventually not not specific delegation [TS]

00:54:49   but I trying to avoid inheritance can [TS]

00:54:51   lead you to a sort of be the inversion [TS]

00:54:55   of control pattern which kind of weird [TS]

00:54:56   nasty speaking of java where you're [TS]

00:54:58   trying to use composition instead of [TS]

00:55:00   inheritance but you want to give people [TS]

00:55:02   access to the different pieces they get [TS]

00:55:04   composed into the hole and so your [TS]

00:55:07   entire program is dictating what things [TS]

00:55:09   are composed into what to get your [TS]

00:55:11   classes the parts we need to go anyway [TS]

00:55:13   any any sort of program code reuse [TS]

00:55:16   essentially technology a code reuse [TS]

00:55:18   technique whether its inheritance of [TS]

00:55:19   delegation or composition or any other [TS]

00:55:21   patterns in the little bit pattern books [TS]

00:55:22   can go awry but i think pretty early on [TS]

00:55:25   in the history of your program the [TS]

00:55:28   downsides of inheritance were clear and [TS]

00:55:31   anything that came after that sort of [TS]

00:55:33   understanding has tried to do something [TS]

00:55:35   different including the things that were [TS]

00:55:38   the precursors to the frameworks that [TS]

00:55:40   apple now uses but we were talking about [TS]

00:55:42   in the context of like even a napkin you [TS]

00:55:43   like it and all these frameworks that [TS]

00:55:44   use delegation patterns as application [TS]

00:55:47   programmers often you subclass either [TS]

00:55:50   because that's the intended use of the [TS]

00:55:51   things still in some cases or because [TS]

00:55:53   you like that thing but you just wanted [TS]

00:55:55   to be a little bit different or you need [TS]

00:55:57   to just ride this bitch is out you know [TS]

00:55:59   like because it's possible it is a tool [TS]

00:56:02   that's in the tool belt of programmers [TS]

00:56:03   to get what they want and frameworks [TS]

00:56:05   whether or not the framework really ever [TS]

00:56:06   intended you to subclass that thing [TS]

00:56:08   yep alright so another thing that was [TS]

00:56:11   written in andrea's hartal mom he made [TS]

00:56:14   some great points about mocking using [TS]

00:56:16   Swift he said there's another unforeseen [TS]

00:56:18   consequence of going final by default [TS]

00:56:20   test that could have used mocks to [TS]

00:56:22   ensure their framework method is was [TS]

00:56:24   called can't do that anymore this is [TS]

00:56:26   because much reliance subclassing to [TS]

00:56:28   replace all API functionality with no [TS]

00:56:29   ops i'm not going to get into what [TS]

00:56:31   marketing is if you're not familiar with [TS]

00:56:33   it but suffice to say that [TS]

00:56:35   the last couple of years I've really [TS]

00:56:37   gotten into unit testing like formal [TS]

00:56:40   unit testing and mocking is kind of your [TS]

00:56:42   path to happiness there and it's what [TS]

00:56:45   really made me understand why do for [TS]

00:56:47   designing two interfaces or protocols if [TS]

00:56:49   you will is really kind of the right [TS]

00:56:50   idea and that's that's that's not an [TS]

00:56:53   insignificant problem if this is the way [TS]

00:56:56   that Swift goes so I thought that was [TS]

00:56:57   very very astute point it seems like [TS]

00:57:00   it's not a significant problem to me [TS]

00:57:01   because I assume there would always be a [TS]

00:57:04   compiler mode that says disregard the [TS]

00:57:06   final keyword you know me like fruits [TS]

00:57:07   for when you when you run your unit [TS]

00:57:09   tests don't see anything up his final [TS]

00:57:12   because it shouldn't it shouldn't affect [TS]

00:57:13   functionality it maybe you disable some [TS]

00:57:15   optimizations and maybe you wouldn't [TS]

00:57:16   have a bug for bug compatible thing in [TS]

00:57:19   terms of maybe like a bug in the [TS]

00:57:20   compiler that causes the optimization [TS]

00:57:21   goes the ride but it seems trivial to me [TS]

00:57:24   to have a compiler option that says you [TS]

00:57:28   just ignore final entirely like don't [TS]

00:57:31   see a lot of any classes or change the [TS]

00:57:34   default is or something like that that [TS]

00:57:36   allows you to mock in your unit tests [TS]

00:57:38   yeah yeah that's an interesting point I [TS]

00:57:40   don't know how that that would be [TS]

00:57:41   handled moving on Neal Cronin was one of [TS]

00:57:44   the few people to write in and point out [TS]

00:57:46   the error in what I or potentially earn [TS]

00:57:48   what I'd said i don't recall exactly how [TS]

00:57:49   i phrase things but it sounds like I [TS]

00:57:51   probably got a little wrong I'm he [TS]

00:57:53   pointed out that C sharp methods are [TS]

00:57:56   final by default but classes or not and [TS]

00:58:00   so I think I might have interspersed [TS]

00:58:02   classes and methods a little bit last [TS]

00:58:04   episode but to be absolutely clear [TS]

00:58:05   classes are not final by default but [TS]

00:58:08   methods are so that's my bad on that [TS]

00:58:10   will have a link in the show notes to [TS]

00:58:12   that also a chris d i'm not gonna even [TS]

00:58:17   try to pronounce your surname i come [TS]

00:58:19   back and i go with some back [TS]

00:58:21   ok you go i pointed out that you can do [TS]

00:58:24   something like final objective c with a [TS]

00:58:27   couple of the [TS]

00:58:29   fancy compiler directives you put enough [TS]

00:58:32   underscores and anything is possible c [TS]

00:58:34   c++ underscore underscore attribute [TS]

00:58:37   underscore underscore double open paren [TS]

00:58:39   zob see subclassing restricted double [TS]

00:58:42   close parenthese yes there are so many [TS]

00:58:44   attributes you can add you can annotate [TS]

00:58:46   all your things with no ability [TS]

00:58:48   information for this with bridging and [TS]

00:58:50   you can say objective-c subclassing [TS]

00:58:53   restricted that's from jesse Squires [TS]

00:58:55   gave that little attribute yikes [TS]

00:58:57   goodness [TS]

00:58:59   alright and then one of you guys wanted [TS]

00:59:01   to talk about rust vs Swift vs go [TS]

00:59:04   yeah those me uh the rest people have [TS]

00:59:06   come out to defend the honor of their [TS]

00:59:09   language and to differentiate it from [TS]

00:59:10   those other things go and switch we're [TS]

00:59:12   talking about the languages that are [TS]

00:59:14   kind of in a little group of these [TS]

00:59:15   static compiled languages with an eye [TS]

00:59:20   towards being a better c++ without all [TS]

00:59:23   the downsides c or c++ you know things [TS]

00:59:26   like Swift essentially and Benjamin sog [TS]

00:59:31   oh yes points out that rust I mean you [TS]

00:59:34   mentioned the show but his amp has [TS]

00:59:36   emphasized by a lot of people trust is [TS]

00:59:38   not garbage collected going to go use [TS]

00:59:40   the garbage collector runtime Swift of [TS]

00:59:41   course uses reference counting that [TS]

00:59:43   means their programs you can write [TS]

00:59:44   address that you couldn't write and [TS]

00:59:45   Swift ago such as graphics intensive [TS]

00:59:47   game a browser enter an OS device driver [TS]

00:59:49   or a garbage collector or anything that [TS]

00:59:51   has to interact with the language that [TS]

00:59:52   has its own garbage collector now I [TS]

00:59:54   would imagine the Swift people at the [TS]

00:59:56   very least would object to the idea that [TS]

00:59:58   you can't write a graphics intensive [TS]

00:59:59   game [TS]

00:59:59   game [TS]

01:00:00   aim your browser engine or no it's [TS]

01:00:02   because of the state of goals of Swift [TS]

01:00:03   oh yeah and i would even object to his [TS]

01:00:06   characterization of garbage pile of [TS]

01:00:07   reference counting as a form of garbage [TS]

01:00:09   collection I don't think I don't think I [TS]

01:00:10   agree with that but he's talking about [TS]

01:00:11   is like a my understanding and I'm sure [TS]

01:00:13   we'll get more email about this breasts [TS]

01:00:15   because I have enough on my homework is [TS]

01:00:16   that the way rest gets around not having [TS]

01:00:18   a garbage collector and not doing [TS]

01:00:20   reference counting is at compile-time it [TS]

01:00:22   figures out the the what it has to do [TS]

01:00:25   with memory rather than a Triton you [TS]

01:00:28   know another was not like that the dance [TS]

01:00:31   competition you know we know it's like [TS]

01:00:32   it's some point you have to go wander [TS]

01:00:34   all of your stuff and clean out the [TS]

01:00:35   garbage and that takes time and even if [TS]

01:00:37   you do another thread that some point [TS]

01:00:40   you may need to pause the the the [TS]

01:00:42   program and if you don't need deposit [TS]

01:00:43   you have a pause for garbage like [TS]

01:00:44   there's always some kind of overhead of [TS]

01:00:46   having to do the garbage collection at [TS]

01:00:49   while your program is running and the [TS]

01:00:51   sweat solution and the vector Susan [TS]

01:00:54   solution for that matter what the [TS]

01:00:55   solution is figure out what you do use [TS]

01:00:59   reference counting to figure out when [TS]

01:01:00   things aren't needed anymore and put the [TS]

01:01:02   reference count put the stuff that deals [TS]

01:01:04   with the reference counted in line with [TS]

01:01:06   your program so while your program is [TS]

01:01:08   running it will do this thing to this [TS]

01:01:09   thing increments record try and do this [TS]

01:01:11   thing to this thing this thing decrement [TS]

01:01:12   this reference count like market goes to [TS]

01:01:14   0 you can you know get rid of that [TS]

01:01:16   memory and you know so it's it's in line [TS]

01:01:19   in your program its actual code [TS]

01:01:20   execution is not another thread running [TS]

01:01:22   a garbage collector or anything like [TS]

01:01:23   that it's like it's as if you had [TS]

01:01:25   written in your program in c policy [TS]

01:01:26   running Malcolm free right you know when [TS]

01:01:28   you can free the memory because that's [TS]

01:01:29   when you write the free thing and you [TS]

01:01:31   know when you're allocating memory right [TS]

01:01:32   Malik and you have to figure out you [TS]

01:01:34   know it's it's reference counting but [TS]

01:01:36   it's in line and so in some code you [TS]

01:01:38   don't want this bookkeeping of [TS]

01:01:40   incrementing and decrementing this [TS]

01:01:42   number to keep track of how many [TS]

01:01:43   references there are you just don't like [TS]

01:01:46   when you're writing the the kernel of an [TS]

01:01:47   operating system and see most of the [TS]

01:01:49   time you're not implementing your [TS]

01:01:51   reference counting system you're just [TS]

01:01:52   putting that the malakin right place and [TS]

01:01:53   putting three is in the right place or [TS]

01:01:54   if you're in a particular part of the [TS]

01:01:57   colonel you can use my locker free [TS]

01:01:59   you've got to do everything with wire [TS]

01:02:00   down memory and so you can't have [TS]

01:02:03   anything having to you know like it's [TS]

01:02:04   not it's not appropriate to have [TS]

01:02:06   automated memory management in that way [TS]

01:02:09   i would imagine the answer Swift is that [TS]

01:02:13   you can write those parts of the program [TS]

01:02:14   if you understand enough out about us [TS]

01:02:16   with managers memory even though you [TS]

01:02:18   don't see any of the memory management [TS]

01:02:20   you can do it in such a way that you [TS]

01:02:21   know that all of the silly reference [TS]

01:02:24   counting increment decrement stuff will [TS]

01:02:26   be removed by the optimizer as no ops [TS]

01:02:29   because you know exactly how you know [TS]

01:02:30   how things are going to get sorted out [TS]

01:02:32   and this thing will run straight through [TS]

01:02:33   without any memory access stuff but [TS]

01:02:35   still rust is heavily focused on the [TS]

01:02:36   idea that it does not use a garbage [TS]

01:02:38   collector and it doesn't use reference [TS]

01:02:40   counting so it's really trying to be [TS]

01:02:41   like c and c++ they both of them do not [TS]

01:02:44   have garbage collections and they don't [TS]

01:02:45   use reference count unless you read it [TS]

01:02:46   yourself so Russ is definitely a closer [TS]

01:02:49   closer match to a replacement for those [TS]

01:02:52   programs and I right do believe that [TS]

01:02:54   there are probably some programs [TS]

01:02:55   especially now with such as young it is [TS]

01:02:58   that could be written in rust that could [TS]

01:03:00   not be written as efficiently and Swift [TS]

01:03:02   but long-term that I think that will be [TS]

01:03:04   quite a battle all right anything else [TS]

01:03:07   about Swift please know right how about [TS]

01:03:11   a magsafe and USB seaports last episode [TS]

01:03:15   i think we're talking about the macbook [TS]

01:03:17   one connector with that magsafe adapter [TS]

01:03:19   that fits in little USBC port on the [TS]

01:03:22   side and whether it was really necessary [TS]

01:03:23   none of us had macbook ones that we had [TS]

01:03:26   tripped over or yanked the cord out of [TS]

01:03:27   and I said I thought that nobody had [TS]

01:03:29   done that experiment well one freshman [TS]

01:03:32   could do the experiment but did delve [TS]

01:03:34   into the science behind USBC connector [TS]

01:03:37   and to try to figure out with thought [TS]

01:03:40   experiment and some basic physics [TS]

01:03:42   calculations and some numbers from the [TS]

01:03:44   USB spec what would happen if you [TS]

01:03:46   tripped over a macbook one chord it was [TS]

01:03:48   plugged in as compared to what would [TS]

01:03:51   happen if it had a maximum connector and [TS]

01:03:52   the conclusion of this article which [TS]

01:03:54   again is an older article might have [TS]

01:03:55   been even before the macro without but [TS]

01:03:57   had been announced obviously was that I [TS]

01:03:59   your laptop will fall on the ground then [TS]

01:04:02   yes you totally can pull a macbook one [TS]

01:04:05   off the surface onto the ground by [TS]

01:04:07   tripping over the cord just based on the [TS]

01:04:09   forces involved and the speed of the [TS]

01:04:13   banking and the angle and all these [TS]

01:04:15   other things you can read the article to [TS]

01:04:16   find out [TS]

01:04:17   perhaps not as good as actually doing [TS]

01:04:19   the experiment perhaps not as good as a [TS]

01:04:21   bunch of people home macbook ones having [TS]

01:04:23   their children tripped over the cord and [TS]

01:04:24   find out what happens but so far no one [TS]

01:04:26   has written in about that happening so [TS]

01:04:27   all we have is this speculation by glenn [TS]

01:04:29   fleischmann there you go there's an [TS]

01:04:30   answer [TS]

01:04:31   alright and why don't you tell us about [TS]

01:04:33   up there and whether or not they use AWS [TS]

01:04:35   yeah just a quick follow-up last time [TS]

01:04:37   someone it's a used AWS and up there [TS]

01:04:40   replied and Twitter no we don't we host [TS]

01:04:41   our own stuff and so a couple people [TS]

01:04:43   went back and forth and we're trying to [TS]

01:04:44   figure out well then why is up there [TS]

01:04:46   connecting to AWS and theory was that it [TS]

01:04:49   was because of crashlytics was a crash [TS]

01:04:51   reporting thing and up there confirmed [TS]

01:04:53   they do use graphics and crashlytics [TS]

01:04:55   said if you use graphics you will [TS]

01:04:58   connect AWS so there's your answer to [TS]

01:05:00   why up there is connected w assets for [TS]

01:05:03   crashlytics excellent that's the magic [TS]

01:05:06   of twitter by the way we're like random [TS]

01:05:08   podcast that we do random listen to the [TS]

01:05:10   podcast use some use little snitch [TS]

01:05:12   software to say they saw connecting AWS [TS]

01:05:14   then the three companies that replied 3 [TS]

01:05:17   sort of carpet Twitter accounts the [TS]

01:05:18   little snatch account the crash linux [TS]

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01:06:25   now if you ever tried to register domain [TS]

01:06:27   name anywhere else you will know that [TS]

01:06:30   prioritizing the experience and the ease [TS]

01:06:32   of use is pretty rare in this business [TS]

01:06:34   had to log in and manage an old domain [TS]

01:06:37   that is that is somewhere else [TS]

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01:06:42   reminded why i have been behind all the [TS]

01:06:44   new stuff and it is it was really quite [TS]

01:06:47   unpleasant to do in the other place [TS]

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01:07:25   so you went to a tech talk yeah i went [TS]

01:07:27   yesterday to the appletv tech-talk in [TS]

01:07:30   New York so the tech talks are basically [TS]

01:07:32   Apple goes around the country with the [TS]

01:07:34   developer relations team not maybe not [TS]

01:07:36   every year maybe every couple years it [TS]

01:07:38   depends when they can do it but they [TS]

01:07:40   basically said the team around kind of [TS]

01:07:42   as like a halfway point between wwd seas [TS]

01:07:45   and they put on these these little like [TS]

01:07:47   it's basically a one-day mini wdc that [TS]

01:07:51   is usually focused on just one [TS]

01:07:54   relatively new platform so i went to a [TS]

01:07:56   few years ago just for iOS i believe [TS]

01:07:59   last year no matter and watch when I [TS]

01:08:00   forget but this year doing appletv Tech [TS]

01:08:03   Talks and so it's it's free and one day [TS]

01:08:06   you sign up you just picked by lottery [TS]

01:08:08   and it's all it's not a bunch of cities [TS]

01:08:10   around the world and you just go into my [TS]

01:08:12   co you know like a hotel you know [TS]

01:08:13   meeting room or whatever like it looks [TS]

01:08:15   exactly like many WTC it'sit's great and [TS]

01:08:19   very well presented your high-quality [TS]

01:08:20   presentations but only like a few [TS]

01:08:24   hundred people in attendance rather than [TS]

01:08:25   5,000 in the giant Moscow new center so [TS]

01:08:28   like it's it's a nice small scale you [TS]

01:08:30   actually have to like talk to the apple [TS]

01:08:31   people and meet other developers on and [TS]

01:08:33   on a nicer smaller shorter and way less [TS]

01:08:37   expensive scale so i went and it was [TS]

01:08:39   great I I still and not [TS]

01:08:43   entirely convinced i want to be [TS]

01:08:44   developing for the apple TV yet i would [TS]

01:08:47   like to do it sometime [TS]

01:08:48   I'm not sure that time is now I'm very [TS]

01:08:50   excited to develop for it i just don't [TS]

01:08:53   know I i don't i'm not seeing the the [TS]

01:08:57   market demand for it yet really [TS]

01:08:59   so if you really want overcast on the [TS]

01:09:00   appletv I guess let me know but but i [TS]

01:09:03   I've right now I haven't I just haven't [TS]

01:09:05   heard from people who really want that [TS]

01:09:06   and other things i think there are more [TS]

01:09:09   important for now but I I do look [TS]

01:09:11   forward to it is a great platform be [TS]

01:09:12   like that the talks are with the talks [TS]

01:09:14   were all about basically video playback [TS]

01:09:18   and games like that was like the main [TS]

01:09:20   areas they focused on because that is [TS]

01:09:22   what the apple TV is best at video [TS]

01:09:24   playback and games as an audio only [TS]

01:09:26   podcast app I'm not sure there's much [TS]

01:09:28   for me to do there besides get people's [TS]

01:09:31   audio into their like home theater [TS]

01:09:33   systems which people do occasionally [TS]

01:09:34   request but doesn't seem as much there's [TS]

01:09:37   much demand for me there but we will see [TS]

01:09:38   iOS 9.3 and TV OS whatever is it might [TS]

01:09:41   also point three the the new beta that [TS]

01:09:43   we talked about they added a podcast app [TS]

01:09:45   like their own a podcast app finally so [TS]

01:09:47   I guess we'll see like if a lot of [TS]

01:09:50   people use that and start hearing people [TS]

01:09:51   saying I i switch back to the podcast [TS]

01:09:53   app so i could play my appletv like it [TS]

01:09:56   that if that happens a lot i will [TS]

01:09:57   definitely respond to that and i'll make [TS]

01:09:59   it happen but I I don't I I think [TS]

01:10:01   eventually it might but I don't think [TS]

01:10:04   the times yet so I guess we'll see if [TS]

01:10:06   you're like somebody who makes the app [TS]

01:10:08   for a video owner like like a lot of [TS]

01:10:11   people there i talk to like they're they [TS]

01:10:13   were like the iOS programmer on iOS [TS]

01:10:15   programming team for a TV network or [TS]

01:10:18   something like that like you know where [TS]

01:10:19   that makes sense like for them to be [TS]

01:10:21   making apps that makes total sense but [TS]

01:10:23   for me I'm not sure makes sense it but [TS]

01:10:26   we'll see anyway so i think we should [TS]

01:10:29   honestly talked about iOS 9.3 what do [TS]

01:10:31   there's a just going to second your [TS]

01:10:33   endorsement of tech talks I've only been [TS]

01:10:35   to one but it was a there was always [TS]

01:10:37   that is like a little mini WWDC a worse [TS]

01:10:40   venue [TS]

01:10:40   yeah it but it's free and it's one day [TS]

01:10:42   it's great with slightly slightly worse [TS]

01:10:45   food obviously the food here script was [TS]

01:10:46   better by a lot but things have changed [TS]

01:10:48   i guess probably depends on the hotel [TS]

01:10:50   like maybe have to use the hotels [TS]

01:10:51   catering but the 1i went to was that is [TS]

01:10:53   terrible little box lunches which [TS]

01:10:55   granted the box on his WBC aren't that [TS]

01:10:57   great either but these are even worse [TS]

01:10:58   but notice we have like we had a hapa [TS]

01:11:00   faith and and I mean it helped i didn't [TS]

01:11:02   i didn't even try the coffee because [TS]

01:11:03   there was a Catholic grumpy downstairs [TS]

01:11:05   so I just went to the cafe grumpy cat [TS]

01:11:07   excellent coffee there anyway so yeah [TS]

01:11:12   9.3 so this was weird very weird Monday [TS]

01:11:17   yesterday for anyway this week earlier [TS]

01:11:19   this week Apple unveiled a a page on [TS]

01:11:22   their website called iOS 9.3 preview so [TS]

01:11:26   and they released a I guess beta 1 or [TS]

01:11:28   anything like that but they release beta [TS]

01:11:30   1 of iOS 9.3 whatever version of watch I [TS]

01:11:34   think corresponds to that and then TV OS [TS]

01:11:36   the same you know whatever version [TS]

01:11:37   corresponds to that and so if there's a [TS]

01:11:41   few very interesting about this so first [TS]

01:11:44   of all apple has never given like this [TS]

01:11:47   like public route public unveiling of a [TS]

01:11:50   beta OS before and in a marketing way [TS]

01:11:53   they do and i was ten my get a certain [TS]

01:11:55   point in the OS 10 beta release cycle [TS]

01:11:57   for many many years now they've had a [TS]

01:11:59   page it's basically apple.com / OS with [TS]

01:12:02   relax / preview or some other word and [TS]

01:12:06   that shows you the features of the [TS]

01:12:07   upcoming as yet unreleased this even [TS]

01:12:09   before they have the public business [TS]

01:12:10   they wouldn't do it for the very first [TS]

01:12:11   build very often they wait until like it [TS]

01:12:13   was a WC now somebody would have an [TS]

01:12:16   entire section of their site dedicated [TS]

01:12:17   to the OS that you cannot yet download [TS]

01:12:19   the weird thing for iOS is I don't know [TS]

01:12:22   they've ever done for iOS don't pay that [TS]

01:12:23   much attention but they did it but [TS]

01:12:25   pretty much simultaneously with the beta [TS]

01:12:27   released to developers so it's not like [TS]

01:12:29   developers would go to a public website [TS]

01:12:31   to see the features of the baby that you [TS]

01:12:33   can adjust able to download now [TS]

01:12:35   yeah but it'sit's great i mean and you [TS]

01:12:37   know what would usually happen in the [TS]

01:12:39   past iOS is like the baby would come out [TS]

01:12:41   and then immediately all the rumor sites [TS]

01:12:43   have people digging through it and then [TS]

01:12:45   like within hours of being released [TS]

01:12:47   rumors that have like 10 articles about [TS]

01:12:49   each little minor change somewhere in [TS]

01:12:51   the settings screen or and after Newt [TS]

01:12:53   week or whatever so it was like so this [TS]

01:12:56   makes sense of the way for Apple [TS]

01:12:57   basically just kinda own that and [TS]

01:12:59   control the message and and have you [TS]

01:13:02   have it be a proper [TS]

01:13:04   marketing handling of this kind of event [TS]

01:13:05   rather than just letting the rumor try [TS]

01:13:07   to dictate everything so that's good you [TS]

01:13:10   know it's it's kinda like legalizing pot [TS]

01:13:11   it's like if you want to like discourage [TS]

01:13:13   the bad behavior like just kept you take [TS]

01:13:15   take away the value you know the apple [TS]

01:13:17   just here here's everything is new here [TS]

01:13:19   you go you know [TS]

01:13:20   well not everything that's no I still [TS]

01:13:21   hope that I assume the rumor sight sound [TS]

01:13:23   all that is that little change that [TS]

01:13:25   setting screen apples not going to put [TS]

01:13:26   it on their giant preview page with the [TS]

01:13:28   wife is just label of how much data is [TS]

01:13:30   used [TS]

01:13:30   yeah or stuff like that like there's [TS]

01:13:31   still plenty of fodder for oversized [TS]

01:13:33   into but they hit the highlights yet but [TS]

01:13:35   it all yeah it's plenty of boring father [TS]

01:13:37   and for them to dig into an apple [TS]

01:13:39   wow that's that's that's their core the [TS]

01:13:41   core audience needs to know tell me [TS]

01:13:43   every screen that changed it ain't the [TS]

01:13:44   spacing on this label one of one of the [TS]

01:13:48   most high profile changes they've made [TS]

01:13:50   is called nightshift and apple is the [TS]

01:13:54   very first people to ever come up with [TS]

01:13:56   this idea of changing the color balance [TS]

01:14:00   on your display changing the white [TS]

01:14:02   balance so that it's cool cool [TS]

01:14:05   temperature and what we consider now to [TS]

01:14:07   be neutral during the day and then at [TS]

01:14:09   night it's slowly changes to a warmer [TS]

01:14:12   color temperature so you don't have your [TS]

01:14:14   eyes be shown blue light that keeps you [TS]

01:14:17   awake and makes you sleep worse so it's [TS]

01:14:19   slowly warms cold temperature on the [TS]

01:14:20   display until you go to bed and then [TS]

01:14:23   change the time at the next day I wish [TS]

01:14:25   this is available on my mac at 44 years [TS]

01:14:28   I've wanted something like this and no [TS]

01:14:29   one has ever thought of it before with [TS]

01:14:31   only your tone of voice makes me think [TS]

01:14:33   you suddenly support patents [TS]

01:14:34   yeah a lot of people that before but you [TS]

01:14:37   can't like in ideas out there for [TS]

01:14:39   anybody to take so I really hope I i [TS]

01:14:42   forgot i even did have a pattern or [TS]

01:14:43   whatever but this is not this is an [TS]

01:14:45   obvious enough idea that I would not [TS]

01:14:47   call this is sherlock and I would not [TS]

01:14:49   call this a case for apple is taking it [TS]

01:14:51   an application wholesale like you know [TS]

01:14:54   well they want an application and making [TS]

01:14:56   their own equivalent his name his name [TS]

01:14:59   based on the same themes the original [TS]

01:15:01   application looks like the other [TS]

01:15:02   application that works like they're this [TS]

01:15:03   is not an application this is a fairly [TS]

01:15:06   simple idea that was not invented i'm [TS]

01:15:08   sure by the creators of the flex [TS]

01:15:11   application that you're referring to [TS]

01:15:12   yes yeah totally okay with Apple taking [TS]

01:15:16   because it's a good idea and I [TS]

01:15:17   don't think anyone should know that idea [TS]

01:15:18   even if someone actually does well i [TS]

01:15:21   think i might disagree with both of [TS]

01:15:22   those points but so let's so yeah I was [TS]

01:15:25   being sarcastic obviously what we're [TS]

01:15:26   talking about is there's been this [TS]

01:15:28   application called flux felt fwx and [TS]

01:15:32   it's been available on computers like [TS]

01:15:33   forever and and they had like an iOS [TS]

01:15:37   kind of hack version where like you [TS]

01:15:40   couldn't they couldn't put in the app [TS]

01:15:41   store so they did like a silent where [TS]

01:15:43   you could download like a binary library [TS]

01:15:45   in with a project into Xcode and have it [TS]

01:15:48   installed into your phone and they did [TS]

01:15:51   this back in november and it got [TS]

01:15:54   thousands or millions of it there are [TS]

01:15:56   tons of downloads and then on houses on [TS]

01:15:59   member 12 2 months ago they said hey [TS]

01:16:03   they posted saying that Apple had [TS]

01:16:06   contacted them and had said that the the [TS]

01:16:09   iOS download of their of their kind of [TS]

01:16:11   side loaded app here was in violation of [TS]

01:16:13   developer agreement and so this method [TS]

01:16:15   of install is no longer available [TS]

01:16:18   Apple has indicated this should not [TS]

01:16:19   continue so they don't really say like [TS]

01:16:23   if Apple like legally threaten them or [TS]

01:16:26   anything because technically they could [TS]

01:16:29   have continued to distribute it probably [TS]

01:16:31   and so this was all just two months ago [TS]

01:16:34   and then all of a sudden now in what is [TS]

01:16:37   the next major iOS feature update that [TS]

01:16:41   next update has a feature that is a [TS]

01:16:44   direct copy of what this does [TS]

01:16:45   so I wonder if there's actually if they [TS]

01:16:48   actually made some kind of small deal [TS]

01:16:49   where maybe Apple said like we don't [TS]

01:16:51   want you doing this [TS]

01:16:52   shut it down and we're gonna do it [TS]

01:16:53   ourselves and we won't sue you or shut [TS]

01:16:56   it down will give you a small amount of [TS]

01:16:58   money and we'll do it ourselves and you [TS]

01:16:59   won't say anything you know that it's [TS]

01:17:01   probably something like that but the [TS]

01:17:02   only reason we have to give him some [TS]

01:17:04   money is if they have a super dumb [TS]

01:17:05   patent on this idea right there's two [TS]

01:17:07   separate issues here one being mean to [TS]

01:17:10   the makers of flux and not letting them [TS]

01:17:11   use sideloading to this not lying side [TS]

01:17:13   loading at all like that's all separate [TS]

01:17:14   issue of like a apple why is the only [TS]

01:17:16   way to be able to get application of [TS]

01:17:18   devices to the appstore what about a way [TS]

01:17:22   that you won't complain about that [TS]

01:17:24   expert users can use not all people are [TS]

01:17:26   going to use it no one's going to [TS]

01:17:27   download [TS]

01:17:27   skoda build their own thing inside like [TS]

01:17:29   only you know only the nerds are going [TS]

01:17:31   to do a why not just let that go [TS]

01:17:32   that is a separate issue the separate [TS]

01:17:34   issue from is it ok for Apple to take [TS]

01:17:38   this idea that again i think the [TS]

01:17:40   metroplex probably did not invent I of [TS]

01:17:43   changing the color temperature display [TS]

01:17:45   based on the time of day and incorporate [TS]

01:17:47   that into their OS for those their most [TS]

01:17:50   popular platform that seems like a [TS]

01:17:51   no-brainer slam dunk in the only thing [TS]

01:17:53   that Apple trip across is if someone has [TS]

01:17:55   a super dumb patent on have to pay [TS]

01:17:56   somebody for I had no idea about those [TS]

01:17:58   the galleries but i think the whole [TS]

01:17:59   system as well as stupid I'm totally [TS]

01:18:01   okay with Apple incorporating this idea [TS]

01:18:03   because it's a good idea and because [TS]

01:18:05   nobody should on this idea I first of [TS]

01:18:07   all I i think the way they're doing it [TS]

01:18:08   just the timing of this and the way they [TS]

01:18:10   came down so hard on flux and then [TS]

01:18:12   immediately made their own thing I think [TS]

01:18:14   that that makes apple look like a jerk [TS]

01:18:15   really make their own thing or what they [TS]

01:18:17   already making it to have they aren't [TS]

01:18:19   like how long is this feature been you [TS]

01:18:21   know again fluxes an old application and [TS]

01:18:23   they're probably applications before but [TS]

01:18:25   i don't think the timing is they saw [TS]

01:18:27   people sideloading flux and then they [TS]

01:18:28   said all we got to get on that and [TS]

01:18:31   decided to add the feature it seems like [TS]

01:18:32   the type of thing that might have been [TS]

01:18:33   in the works for a while but who knows [TS]

01:18:35   honestly i disagree i think it's exactly [TS]

01:18:36   it's it's a simple enough feature that [TS]

01:18:39   is exactly what probably happened [TS]

01:18:40   alright guys so even if they did it what [TS]

01:18:42   then what difference does it make like [TS]

01:18:43   the someone saw the idea this is this is [TS]

01:18:46   a thing that users want again separate [TS]

01:18:48   from the notion of telling flux we can't [TS]

01:18:50   do it because that I agree is kind of [TS]

01:18:51   turkey and annoying right [TS]

01:18:53   teleflex they can't do it is separate [TS]

01:18:54   from the idea of well it's a good idea [TS]

01:18:56   we should build and because that's [TS]

01:18:57   exactly how they should work if there's [TS]

01:18:58   something that's a really popular idea [TS]

01:18:59   that is very much a system-level thing [TS]

01:19:02   which i'm amazed the fuck could even do [TS]

01:19:03   what they did because it seemed so much [TS]

01:19:04   like a system-level thing right that [TS]

01:19:07   should be built in the operating system [TS]

01:19:08   and how do you find those things you [TS]

01:19:09   think of them yourself or you see that [TS]

01:19:11   there's lots of user demand for this [TS]

01:19:12   type of thing a lot of people are [TS]

01:19:13   interested in this feature we should [TS]

01:19:15   build it into the stupid OS and so they [TS]

01:19:17   do like I'm not saying Apple shouldn't [TS]

01:19:19   have been allowed to do this or that [TS]

01:19:20   they shouldn't even made me I'm not even [TS]

01:19:22   saying they shouldn't have done it but [TS]

01:19:23   the the the timing of it the way they [TS]

01:19:26   did it and the timing of it i think is [TS]

01:19:27   distasteful and and makes them look [TS]

01:19:29   pretty jerky I i disagree i don't think [TS]

01:19:31   they look any more or less like the [TS]

01:19:33   jerks the thing that makes them look [TS]

01:19:34   like jerks is not letting them sideload [TS]

01:19:36   incorporating the future they always [TS]

01:19:38   make them look like smart OS spenders [TS]

01:19:40   don't think it makes them look like [TS]

01:19:41   jerks i don't think there's any time I [TS]

01:19:43   don't think they even said I we exactly [TS]

01:19:45   copied this we were inspired by flux and [TS]

01:19:48   if they came out publicly and said the [TS]

01:19:49   story you're surmising is true i still [TS]

01:19:51   think that would be fine because I think [TS]

01:19:52   that like that's this is a consequence [TS]

01:19:54   of the idea that people not owning ideas [TS]

01:19:56   like you want people not on ideas but it [TS]

01:19:58   still seems distasteful to you that [TS]

01:20:00   someone came up with this thing and that [TS]

01:20:02   like the day you know immediately copied [TS]

01:20:04   it from them it's not there's nothing [TS]

01:20:05   you know it's they didn't own it its [TS]

01:20:07   it's the transfer of ideas is the reason [TS]

01:20:09   the reason I at least mm against pats is [TS]

01:20:11   the idea that someone will have an idea [TS]

01:20:13   another person will hear that idea and [TS]

01:20:14   said that's a good idea and take that [TS]

01:20:16   idea and run with it and like it's not [TS]

01:20:18   there's 22 own and there's no copying [TS]

01:20:21   going on it to share anyway whatever [TS]

01:20:23   hippie-dippie stuff i should point out [TS]

01:20:25   like I did a very similar feature [TS]

01:20:27   instapaper like five years ago [TS]

01:20:29   look it's like this is not new it's not [TS]

01:20:31   like i said it's not it's not a new idea [TS]

01:20:33   to computing is not a new idea to like [TS]

01:20:36   non computing related lights like the [TS]

01:20:38   whole white theoretical is probably some [TS]

01:20:39   study many many many years ago about the [TS]

01:20:42   color temperature and light if I can [TS]

01:20:44   sleep patterns that all this is spun out [TS]

01:20:45   from but yeah like I don't and that's [TS]

01:20:49   why I fear if I remember I don't know if [TS]

01:20:51   someone send us the link i fear that [TS]

01:20:52   flux actually does have a patent is [TS]

01:20:54   because seriously like it should not be [TS]

01:20:56   not be patentable period and even under [TS]

01:20:59   the the route the rules are current [TS]

01:21:01   patent system has been rejected based on [TS]

01:21:02   prior art but you know I've never had [TS]

01:21:04   doesn't do anything but anyway so I do [TS]

01:21:07   want to get into slightly a discussion [TS]

01:21:09   of the the assumption or the scientific [TS]

01:21:12   basis of this so so first of all the [TS]

01:21:15   just to clarify when we say change the [TS]

01:21:17   color temperature for anybody who [TS]

01:21:18   doesn't know if you ever seen somebody [TS]

01:21:20   by a CFL or LED light bulb that looks [TS]

01:21:23   really blue when you put in the house [TS]

01:21:25   especially at night but this is kind or [TS]

01:21:27   if you have one that was like way too [TS]

01:21:29   yellow or orange your kind of seeing [TS]

01:21:31   that seeing the issues of color balance [TS]

01:21:33   in our expectations so basically in the [TS]

01:21:36   middle today during daylight daylight [TS]

01:21:38   colored light is you know more more [TS]

01:21:41   towards that the blue end of the color [TS]

01:21:43   balance spectrum the way we could only [TS]

01:21:45   think about it and then at night things [TS]

01:21:48   like fires and cold streetlights [TS]

01:21:51   and incandescent bulbs those we think of [TS]

01:21:54   as as I especially like the bulbs we [TS]

01:21:56   think i was making like white light but [TS]

01:21:57   in reality it's really most it's more [TS]

01:22:00   it's more yellow tinted then daylight is [TS]

01:22:02   and so are our eyes adjust for this [TS]

01:22:05   camera just for that's what this is [TS]

01:22:06   about white balances and cameras our [TS]

01:22:08   eyes adjust for this and so we think [TS]

01:22:10   we're sitting in a room lit by slightly [TS]

01:22:12   yellow incandescent lights in you know [TS]

01:22:14   at nighttime when it's dark outside [TS]

01:22:16   we don't think of it as being a yellow [TS]

01:22:18   light we think of it as being a neutral [TS]

01:22:20   white light but then if you see [TS]

01:22:21   something that is neutral color like [TS]

01:22:24   daylight it looks blue to you by [TS]

01:22:26   comparison because you aren't you [TS]

01:22:27   adjusted to that are you anyway the the [TS]

01:22:30   the principle behind this is that your [TS]

01:22:32   computer screens they don't change their [TS]

01:22:34   color tone without this you know they [TS]

01:22:36   don't change their color tone throughout [TS]

01:22:36   the day so that what looks like a [TS]

01:22:38   neutral white color balance during the [TS]

01:22:40   day on a computer screen does look [TS]

01:22:42   bluish and/or you know 22 bright it [TS]

01:22:45   could be perceived as its kind of tricky [TS]

01:22:46   but you know it looks like too harsh or [TS]

01:22:48   too blue or too bright in like a [TS]

01:22:50   dimly-lit nighttime room for the most [TS]

01:22:54   part and and the idea here is that this [TS]

01:22:56   can confuse your body into into not [TS]

01:22:59   preparing for sleep or not not sleeping [TS]

01:23:02   as well or something like that and I've [TS]

01:23:07   looked into I've tried to see what the [TS]

01:23:10   scientific basis for this is because the [TS]

01:23:12   idea is that if you can if you can make [TS]

01:23:14   the screen shift its color temperature [TS]

01:23:17   into the warm area so basically make [TS]

01:23:20   your maker computing devices change [TS]

01:23:22   their own white balance along with what [TS]

01:23:24   your what's going on in your house and [TS]

01:23:25   around you in your environment so that [TS]

01:23:27   in the daytime they're neutral and and [TS]

01:23:29   you know what might consider like a [TS]

01:23:30   bluish or new or cold white but then at [TS]

01:23:33   night they shifted everything it's [TS]

01:23:34   tinted yellow via the idea that will [TS]

01:23:37   help you sleep [TS]

01:23:38   I'm not entirely sure that the evidence [TS]

01:23:41   I've seen so far proves that I i think [TS]

01:23:44   it's it's a good theory it might be true [TS]

01:23:46   the studies that are cited everywhere [TS]

01:23:48   mostly seemed to indicate that [TS]

01:23:51   brightness of light is important so it [TS]

01:23:55   you know it might not be important to [TS]

01:23:57   change your lights to be more yellow at [TS]

01:23:59   night it might just be important to [TS]

01:24:01   avoid bright screens at night and and [TS]

01:24:04   using bright screen [TS]

01:24:05   like in bed or before bed or whatever [TS]

01:24:07   that I think makes it from from the [TS]

01:24:10   actual suitable to find which is pretty [TS]

01:24:12   few and far between but that's the flux [TS]

01:24:14   has a good list of them bright light [TS]

01:24:16   emitting devices are a problem to use [TS]

01:24:19   late at night for this purpose but it [TS]

01:24:21   doesn't necessarily follow that changing [TS]

01:24:24   the color temperature of those screens [TS]

01:24:26   fixes that problem the studies i'm [TS]

01:24:28   looking at like the one that focused [TS]

01:24:30   most recently on that public national [TS]

01:24:33   academy of sciences anyway i read that [TS]

01:24:34   one that was like you know ipad vs book [TS]

01:24:36   and it's like if you read an ipad for [TS]

01:24:38   four hours first before bed person if [TS]

01:24:40   you read a book before I before going to [TS]

01:24:41   bed like the iPad users measurably had [TS]

01:24:44   like worse sleep and and related issues [TS]

01:24:47   I i thought at first like you know maybe [TS]

01:24:49   he's measuring like if you're like [TS]

01:24:50   bouncing around with apps that's [TS]

01:24:51   engaging you're bringing a different way [TS]

01:24:53   but know that it sounded too controlled [TS]

01:24:54   for that they had people watching to [TS]

01:24:56   make sure you actually reading a book [TS]

01:24:57   but it's like if you're staring at an [TS]

01:24:59   ipad screen for before bed was reading a [TS]

01:25:00   book reading the book is better but they [TS]

01:25:02   didn't test if you start an ipad screen [TS]

01:25:04   with neutral color temperature versus [TS]

01:25:07   one that is slowly shifting itself [TS]

01:25:09   yellow they didn't say that was better [TS]

01:25:10   so it seems like this is two separate [TS]

01:25:13   things that that the that this the [TS]

01:25:15   studies that have been done so far show [TS]

01:25:17   that bright lights at night can hurt [TS]

01:25:20   your sleeping and also we think it's [TS]

01:25:22   more pleasant and easy on your brain to [TS]

01:25:24   ten things yellow but nothing is [TS]

01:25:26   actually prove that and apples working [TS]

01:25:28   on the features actually very carefully [TS]

01:25:30   align with us so it says many studies [TS]

01:25:32   have shown that exposure to bright blue [TS]

01:25:34   light in the evening can affect your [TS]

01:25:36   circadian rhythms and make it harder to [TS]

01:25:38   fall asleep night shift use your iOS [TS]

01:25:40   devices clock and educational haha and [TS]

01:25:42   automatically shifts the closure display [TS]

01:25:43   to the one where the spectrum making it [TS]

01:25:45   easier on your eyes [TS]

01:25:47   it doesn't say the shit of a color shift [TS]

01:25:49   will make it easier to fall asleep [TS]

01:25:52   it says bright lights have been shown to [TS]

01:25:54   make it harder to fall asleep and this [TS]

01:25:56   will be easier on your eyes but there's [TS]

01:25:59   no connection to sleep there [TS]

01:26:01   I'm surprised they can't get sued suit [TS]

01:26:02   for easier on your eyes because like I [TS]

01:26:04   don't even know what that supportable [TS]

01:26:06   get more yellow which is easier on your [TS]

01:26:08   eyes how is that I maybe it's because [TS]

01:26:10   it's not measurable that's why it's [TS]

01:26:11   that's why it's important but it's like [TS]

01:26:12   it's bacon off they like well what is [TS]

01:26:14   easier me [TS]

01:26:15   so maybe it's it's big enough that [TS]

01:26:18   they're okay but right and then you know [TS]

01:26:20   there's all sorts of like theories about [TS]

01:26:22   like that's why you see a lot of like [TS]

01:26:23   yellow tinted sunglasses theories about [TS]

01:26:26   like if you if you reduce the blue light [TS]

01:26:27   more than the other colors these are on [TS]

01:26:29   the island there there are other things [TS]

01:26:30   about that but I don't and so I think [TS]

01:26:31   that's probably backed up but like it [TS]

01:26:35   doesn't seem like this is connected [TS]

01:26:37   necessarily so I think if you're [TS]

01:26:39   concerned about this [TS]

01:26:40   sure try flux or try this try night [TS]

01:26:42   shift if you find it pleasant great you [TS]

01:26:45   know that that's it that's a separate [TS]

01:26:46   thing it might not be helping you sleep [TS]

01:26:48   but i think if you want to sleep it is [TS]

01:26:51   it we do have evidence so far it seems [TS]

01:26:53   that either reducing the brightness of [TS]

01:26:56   the screen is probably way more [TS]

01:26:57   important the screener does that [TS]

01:26:59   automatically to some degree like you [TS]

01:27:00   can pick your brightness but it does it [TS]

01:27:02   does just based on ambient temperature [TS]

01:27:03   within some range so it does her butt [TS]

01:27:05   but like I would say like you reduce the [TS]

01:27:07   brightness especially at night like you [TS]

01:27:09   say you're either keep it all the time [TS]

01:27:10   like i do or like just said it you said [TS]

01:27:12   it lower and I even like so even set up [TS]

01:27:14   the middle point lower or just if you're [TS]

01:27:16   concerned about this and maybe you [TS]

01:27:18   should be just don't use your devices [TS]

01:27:20   before bed because the studies are [TS]

01:27:21   pretty clear that that helps a lot but i [TS]

01:27:24   don't think we know that changing it to [TS]

01:27:26   yellow has a meaningful effect on the [TS]

01:27:27   quality of your sleep [TS]

01:27:28   it might be more pleasant but it's it [TS]

01:27:30   might not have a meaningful effect but [TS]

01:27:32   if you believe it will then it will [TS]

01:27:33   because the placebo effect is incredibly [TS]

01:27:35   strong and so like this two aspects as [TS]

01:27:37   one [TS]

01:27:37   some people just find it more pleasant [TS]

01:27:38   like it they just like it's like yeah [TS]

01:27:41   called fashion or aesthetics or just [TS]

01:27:43   give them a warm fuzzy feeling they just [TS]

01:27:44   like that's fine [TS]

01:27:45   the right and the other one is if they [TS]

01:27:47   believe it will give them better sleep [TS]

01:27:49   there is a chance of that belief will [TS]

01:27:50   cause some to have purposely maybe but [TS]

01:27:52   you know at work it could be you know [TS]

01:27:54   just like if you start thinking about [TS]

01:27:56   having better sleep and wanted to make [TS]

01:27:58   changes in your life to give you better [TS]

01:27:59   sleep you will probably make other [TS]

01:28:01   changes that will also give you better [TS]

01:28:02   sleep you know so if you want better [TS]

01:28:05   sleep [TS]

01:28:05   chances are you could you know she's [TS]

01:28:07   doing multiple things at one of those [TS]

01:28:08   might be don't be like reading your [TS]

01:28:10   phone every single second at night until [TS]

01:28:12   the second you get you go to bed i have [TS]

01:28:15   the opposite of the placebo effect [TS]

01:28:16   because i do usually the last thing i do [TS]

01:28:18   right before i go to bed [TS]

01:28:19   is look at an iOS device which is pretty [TS]

01:28:22   bright in a pretty dark room and I've [TS]

01:28:25   been doing this for years and years and [TS]

01:28:26   years you know since iOS existed and [TS]

01:28:28   thanks for the ipod touches existed and [TS]

01:28:31   every so often I think this like exactly [TS]

01:28:33   what they tell you what not to do like a [TS]

01:28:35   bright mostly white light in your face [TS]

01:28:38   like right before bed [TS]

01:28:41   I wonder if this is making me not be [TS]

01:28:42   able to say when i go to sleep instantly [TS]

01:28:44   so like everyone's but it's like I'm I'm [TS]

01:28:47   trying to convince myself that what I'm [TS]

01:28:49   doing is going to be harmful and I'd [TS]

01:28:51   basically fine [TS]

01:28:52   so somebody that is if Apple it you know [TS]

01:28:55   maybe the Apple feature does more like [TS]

01:28:56   maybe it also adjust the brightness if [TS]

01:28:59   not maybe it should like that but that [TS]

01:29:01   would be like if it if it also read it [TS]

01:29:03   like I just like you know like reduce [TS]

01:29:04   the variance your screen night also in [TS]

01:29:06   addition to like the automatic thing the [TS]

01:29:09   brightness range [TS]

01:29:10   yeah like basically move the slider for [TS]

01:29:11   you yeah like move move like the [TS]

01:29:13   setpoint down also ignore you move move [TS]

01:29:16   the whole range down if it also does [TS]

01:29:18   that automatically that's a lot more [TS]

01:29:19   valuable and maybe it does i haven't [TS]

01:29:21   tried yet although i'd be like it is my [TS]

01:29:23   device getting dim what the hell was [TS]

01:29:25   that stupid thing again i want to [TS]

01:29:28   display looks to dinner realize that [TS]

01:29:29   I've acts like a kid is lean on the [TS]

01:29:31   brightness button on my keyboard or [TS]

01:29:32   something in a look and look for for a [TS]

01:29:34   long time people have complained many [TS]

01:29:37   people have complained that and i agree [TS]

01:29:40   with this complaint that the the lowest [TS]

01:29:43   brightness setting on iOS device screens [TS]

01:29:45   often is low enough that it would be if [TS]

01:29:47   you're in like if you're in a room that [TS]

01:29:49   is the only elimination like it here [TS]

01:29:50   reading in bed at night it the the [TS]

01:29:52   lowest brightness setting is often still [TS]

01:29:54   to be especially if using an Apple white [TS]

01:29:56   background and there's been all sorts of [TS]

01:29:58   like people the people who like use the [TS]

01:30:00   accessibility toggles to try to make it [TS]

01:30:03   even dimmer which messes with the mess [TS]

01:30:05   with my app and then there's any bug [TS]

01:30:06   reports like they're all sorts of of [TS]

01:30:09   people like people who've been doing [TS]

01:30:10   this for years of like using special [TS]

01:30:12   accessibility settings or special app [TS]

01:30:14   features to try to reduce it even [TS]

01:30:16   further mean introversion instapaper [TS]

01:30:18   when i first introduced dark mode in [TS]

01:30:20   order to get around this problem i [TS]

01:30:21   actually had a translucent black layer [TS]

01:30:24   that I could put over the entire window [TS]

01:30:26   just just a giant uiview over the entire [TS]

01:30:29   window or lower [TS]

01:30:30   or later i forget which one but just [TS]

01:30:32   like a giant overlay that I could that I [TS]

01:30:34   could just you know dim as necessary and [TS]

01:30:36   dark mode because the entire interface [TS]

01:30:39   was not dim enough online especially on [TS]

01:30:41   an ipad with this giant giant break into [TS]

01:30:44   a more prominent ipads and iphone most [TS]

01:30:46   people just go into another room because [TS]

01:30:48   i think the bottom brightness setting is [TS]

01:30:49   too dim to look at like what does two [TS]

01:30:52   things that they're here one is is it [TS]

01:30:54   putting it off enough light to annoy [TS]

01:30:55   other person is trying to sleep in the [TS]

01:30:57   room [TS]

01:30:57   yes I grant you it's doing that but the [TS]

01:30:58   other is does it look like a normal [TS]

01:31:00   screen or doesn't look like a screen [TS]

01:31:02   that's broken and when you put the [TS]

01:31:03   brightness of the bottom setting in any [TS]

01:31:05   iOS device basically looks broken like [TS]

01:31:06   things don't look right anymore it's not [TS]

01:31:08   just the dimmer version of the screen [TS]

01:31:09   now you're changing in a material way [TS]

01:31:11   like there are things that you can't [TS]

01:31:13   read because the contrast is too low [TS]

01:31:15   everything is super dark it does not [TS]

01:31:16   look like a slightly dimmer version i [TS]

01:31:18   thought your point I thought you were [TS]

01:31:19   going to say about the screens is and [TS]

01:31:21   I've heard this complaint as well as [TS]

01:31:22   that in with the dawning of LED [TS]

01:31:24   backlights many years ago on most [TS]

01:31:25   devices they go way too high [TS]

01:31:28   like the top brightness setting is [TS]

01:31:29   blinding noon in the noonday Sun have to [TS]

01:31:32   put on a mask is like these like [TS]

01:31:34   monitors from the random brands that are [TS]

01:31:39   not like Apple monitors or dell HP but [TS]

01:31:42   just that mean that you know Brandi [TS]

01:31:44   you've never heard of that is really [TS]

01:31:45   cheap monitors and their top brightness [TS]

01:31:47   setting you can cook eggs with it [TS]

01:31:49   I just they get really really bright no [TS]

01:31:52   I mean even apples like my I have my [TS]

01:31:54   five kids had my 5k is set to use one [TS]

01:31:56   notch above the middle [TS]

01:31:57   yeah because like the it's way too [TS]

01:31:58   bright if it's set up more than that [TS]

01:32:00   yeah it's just it's crazy but I which is [TS]

01:32:02   good i like having that headroom I guess [TS]

01:32:04   I mean maybe you still want it like you [TS]

01:32:06   know if I said noon day Sun but if you [TS]

01:32:08   actually have your iphone 6 out in the [TS]

01:32:09   noonday Sun and put on max brightness [TS]

01:32:11   you'll see it's actually not that bright [TS]

01:32:12   after all compared to the Sun right and [TS]

01:32:14   that's something like you they they do [TS]

01:32:16   this it makes a lot of sense on portable [TS]

01:32:17   devices especially because if you have [TS]

01:32:20   to use it outside in sunlight it you [TS]

01:32:22   really need every bit of brightness you [TS]

01:32:24   can get but what you need there watching [TS]

01:32:26   you there's different display text [TS]

01:32:27   because lcds as you crank the brightness [TS]

01:32:29   you just get like if you have a [TS]

01:32:30   completely black screen you crank the [TS]

01:32:32   brightness to max that you can use a [TS]

01:32:34   black led-backlit screen completely [TS]

01:32:37   black one has a flashlight in a dark [TS]

01:32:39   room because that's how much light just [TS]

01:32:41   comes through it is it because it's [TS]

01:32:42   basically back [TS]

01:32:42   is on behind every single pixel and the [TS]

01:32:44   little liquid crystal things are trying [TS]

01:32:46   not light through but they do which is [TS]

01:32:47   why plasma TVs look better so oled [TS]

01:32:50   doesn't have that problem because it is [TS]

01:32:52   just cause not causing the pixels that [TS]

01:32:54   are not lit up there just not admitting [TS]

01:32:56   any light there's no light behind they [TS]

01:32:57   don't have to block and we're just not [TS]

01:32:58   putting it like a plasma they're just [TS]

01:33:00   not putting out any light so they moved [TS]

01:33:01   to oled could help because if you if you [TS]

01:33:03   did have like I'm cranking my iphone 6 [TS]

01:33:05   brightness in the noonday Sun and i [TS]

01:33:07   still can't see the screen even if you [TS]

01:33:09   put a backlight behind it was this [TS]

01:33:10   gigantic super-bright backlight you with [TS]

01:33:13   the contrast between the white regions [TS]

01:33:15   and the black would still be basically [TS]

01:33:17   the same ratio and so it's still look [TS]

01:33:19   all washed out and in the noonday Sun [TS]

01:33:21   what you really need is to say this is [TS]

01:33:22   you know you can turn the backlight down [TS]

01:33:24   to a degree where that the LCD screen [TS]

01:33:27   can block the light going to resist so [TS]

01:33:29   the light is so windy that it doesn't go [TS]

01:33:30   through but the room is so dark that [TS]

01:33:32   where does come through you get a better [TS]

01:33:34   contrast ratio so different display text [TS]

01:33:37   missing before you get to reflect the [TS]

01:33:38   display type which of course is a real [TS]

01:33:39   way to go where there's not actually [TS]

01:33:40   like coming from behind it but like a [TS]

01:33:42   kindle you're relying on the sunlight [TS]

01:33:44   coming down and bouncing off and you [TS]

01:33:46   just make regions of a black so it [TS]

01:33:47   doesn't talk as much and then you get [TS]

01:33:49   something that acts like a an actual [TS]

01:33:50   book a paper book where it becomes more [TS]

01:33:52   readable and sunrise instead of less but [TS]

01:33:54   we do not have a good hybrid between [TS]

01:33:56   back lift and reflective screens there [TS]

01:34:00   are a lot of ones that have been tried [TS]

01:34:01   involving either an LCD or combinations [TS]

01:34:03   various other tech and none of them are [TS]

01:34:05   mainstream yet so we'll still wait for [TS]

01:34:06   that but in the meantime I'll let is the [TS]

01:34:08   next significant step in this area that [TS]

01:34:09   should really help on this week's [TS]

01:34:12   connected [TS]

01:34:13   federico talks a bit about night shift [TS]

01:34:16   and he had said that he had been using [TS]

01:34:18   it for a while and then he went back to [TS]

01:34:21   I think he turned it off or something [TS]

01:34:23   like that he said I think it said that [TS]

01:34:25   it was like getting stabbed in the eye [TS]

01:34:26   because you're federico doesn't believe [TS]

01:34:29   in sleeping when the rest of italy [TS]

01:34:31   sleeps he sleeps when we sleep and so he [TS]

01:34:34   said it was really jarring when he had [TS]

01:34:36   turned off in the middle of the night so [TS]

01:34:37   whether or not it's real [TS]

01:34:40   it certainly is a strong placebo from [TS]

01:34:42   what i can tell i mean it's also just [TS]

01:34:44   like as i mentioned like your eyes [TS]

01:34:45   adjust to it your eyes have you know [TS]

01:34:47   auto white balance on camera terms the [TS]

01:34:49   difference when you when you're not [TS]

01:34:51   adjusted it's a huge difference you know [TS]

01:34:54   in the East with a easy to see the stiff [TS]

01:34:56   Prince is if you have a camera set the [TS]

01:34:59   white balance on it manually to daylight [TS]

01:35:02   and take a picture outside during [TS]

01:35:04   daylight and it should look normal [TS]

01:35:07   then sit with it's still set to daylight [TS]

01:35:09   take a picture inside your house at [TS]

01:35:11   night and everything will look insanely [TS]

01:35:13   yellow it's a huge difference it this is [TS]

01:35:16   not a subtle shift in colors it's a [TS]

01:35:19   massive difference if you are just you [TS]

01:35:21   know using your device one night with [TS]

01:35:23   this feature enabled the whole night and [TS]

01:35:25   the next night you have the feature [TS]

01:35:26   disabled the whole night you might not [TS]

01:35:28   even notice the difference because your [TS]

01:35:30   eyes are adjusting as night falls the [TS]

01:35:32   entire time as the thing is happening [TS]

01:35:34   too slow change but if you then [TS]

01:35:36   immediately while your eyes are adjusted [TS]

01:35:38   to the warm color immediately see cool [TS]

01:35:41   colors then it's gonna be very jarring I [TS]

01:35:44   don't think that necessarily says like [TS]

01:35:45   how big of a difference this makes [TS]

01:35:48   whatever I think it's just like yeah [TS]

01:35:50   the shift is a big shift you know but I [TS]

01:35:53   i still don't i don't think we we have [TS]

01:35:55   any thing to show this is like super [TS]

01:35:58   effective I think I you know it's [TS]

01:35:59   primarily anesthetic preference and then [TS]

01:36:03   it might be related to eye strain or you [TS]

01:36:06   know like the the the ease on your eyes [TS]

01:36:08   a but the other the connection to sleep [TS]

01:36:10   quality i think it is still very [TS]

01:36:12   unproven so we're running a bit long and [TS]

01:36:15   I'd like to wrap somewhat soon but I [TS]

01:36:18   really wanted to at least bring up this [TS]

01:36:20   multi-user ipad thing for the classroom [TS]

01:36:23   so apparently there's going to be a [TS]

01:36:26   whole bunch of changes for using iPads [TS]

01:36:30   in the classroom and again this was [TS]

01:36:31   covered in the most recent episode of [TS]

01:36:33   connected where Frazier Spears showed up [TS]

01:36:34   and it genuinely seems really really [TS]

01:36:38   interesting some of the stuff they're [TS]

01:36:39   doing [TS]

01:36:39   teachers can look at other to look at [TS]

01:36:42   their pupil screens we're not sure if [TS]

01:36:44   that's live or if it's just like a [TS]

01:36:46   snapshot it there's multi-user ipad so [TS]

01:36:49   you so a user can log into any ipad and [TS]

01:36:51   get their home folder so to speak on [TS]

01:36:55   that ipad we don't know a whole lot [TS]

01:36:57   about it but it seems really interesting [TS]

01:36:58   i'm fascinated to hear the reports from [TS]

01:37:02   from the field how this works but I'm [TS]

01:37:04   very skeptical it'll ever land on [TS]

01:37:07   regular consumer ipad [TS]

01:37:09   that's what do you guys think is that [TS]

01:37:11   it's got to come to regular this is one [TS]

01:37:12   of those like bigger iPads like it is [TS]

01:37:14   guaranteed this is going to come [TS]

01:37:15   eventually it's just a question of when [TS]

01:37:17   because us enough iPads are shared [TS]

01:37:20   devices and families even it's just like [TS]

01:37:21   the three kids fighting over the the two [TS]

01:37:24   generations old ipad that has been [TS]

01:37:26   handed down to them [TS]

01:37:27   yeah they just need that like it they [TS]

01:37:31   may be this feature for a long time and [TS]

01:37:33   it seems like it's not it seems like it [TS]

01:37:35   shouldn't be too hard to do like it [TS]

01:37:38   doesn't break any sort of you I paradigm [TS]

01:37:41   they could just have an app for [TS]

01:37:42   switching or whatever like it's because [TS]

01:37:45   once you're using it as a user is just [TS]

01:37:46   like a regular ipad and the only context [TS]

01:37:48   switches oh well you know now your [TS]

01:37:50   sister wants to give it to her and then [TS]

01:37:51   she watches that same happened [TS]

01:37:54   taps on her icon and now it's her iPad [TS]

01:37:57   and they have to fight over storage [TS]

01:37:58   space you use iCloud to mitigate bad and [TS]

01:38:00   what happens if you know enough room [TS]

01:38:02   iCloud then when your sister logs in you [TS]

01:38:04   lose your save data because it can [TS]

01:38:05   upload the iCloud and you know there are [TS]

01:38:07   details to work out here and there but [TS]

01:38:10   this seems like a very obvious feature [TS]

01:38:12   that needs to come time especially f [TS]

01:38:14   iPads continue to you know be more [TS]

01:38:16   sophisticated in the ipad pro and [TS]

01:38:18   everything [TS]

01:38:19   multiple users is a thing that we know [TS]

01:38:21   is useful for large devices with [TS]

01:38:24   multiple people might use like imax or [TS]

01:38:26   even laptops or even ipad pros and i'm [TS]

01:38:30   not sure i would assume that it's [TS]

01:38:31   definitely coming to like regular [TS]

01:38:34   consumer iPads I mean you know setting [TS]

01:38:36   up the education environment is [TS]

01:38:38   presumably like a big provisioning thing [TS]

01:38:40   like i would imagine the kind of thing [TS]

01:38:42   that it will it doesn't like it's very [TS]

01:38:44   useful for education but I i'm not [TS]

01:38:46   really sure Apple cares enough about [TS]

01:38:49   enabling multi-user iPads for in [TS]

01:38:51   people's houses because right now the [TS]

01:38:53   way it solved is either you know either [TS]

01:38:56   it's not solved and you stay logged in [TS]

01:38:57   as one person and everyone just went to [TS]

01:38:59   your high scores or people get different [TS]

01:39:02   ipad for different people at the end [TS]

01:39:03   that's that's probably what Apple wants [TS]

01:39:05   apple wants everyone to have their own [TS]

01:39:06   ipad I'm not sure because if you think [TS]

01:39:08   about what's involved in this in a home [TS]

01:39:11   environment without without like the [TS]

01:39:13   central management of of the school's [TS]

01:39:14   doing in a home environment what's [TS]

01:39:16   involved here is like things that things [TS]

01:39:19   that are really messy and iOS today such [TS]

01:39:21   as having multiple [TS]

01:39:22   itunes store account login same device [TS]

01:39:24   apps from different people install from [TS]

01:39:27   different accounts installed but that's [TS]

01:39:29   all been solved in Ostend I mean like [TS]

01:39:31   it's the same underpinnings you have [TS]

01:39:33   multi it's a multi-user system you have [TS]

01:39:35   separate you know it the directories in [TS]

01:39:37   accounts in sandboxes and yet you can [TS]

01:39:40   have two people logged in to different [TS]

01:39:41   apple ideas and different accounts into [TS]

01:39:43   the store like it just seems like this [TS]

01:39:45   is all there's no tech reason there's [TS]

01:39:47   very little you I reason the only reason [TS]

01:39:48   it hasn't been done so far is because [TS]

01:39:50   it's not really an important feature but [TS]

01:39:51   it's one of those ones that I feel like [TS]

01:39:53   they're going to get around to [TS]

01:39:53   eventually and I don't think anyone has [TS]

01:39:56   ever and not purchased another iPad [TS]

01:39:58   because their current one likely they [TS]

01:40:00   would say well we're going to get in [TS]

01:40:01   alright but this one has multiple users [TS]

01:40:03   no kids will still complaining when [TS]

01:40:04   multiple you don't like forget it i [TS]

01:40:06   don't know if you can afford it you buy [TS]

01:40:08   one if you can afford it why don't you [TS]

01:40:09   buy one if you can't afford and don't [TS]

01:40:10   want it you don't buy one [TS]

01:40:12   all this is going to do is make our [TS]

01:40:13   lives a little bit better for people who [TS]

01:40:16   don't want to buy another ipad and do [TS]

01:40:18   want their kids to share it and are sick [TS]

01:40:20   of hearing people complain about it he [TS]

01:40:22   broke my mind minecraft castles or he [TS]

01:40:24   messed with my high scores are deleted [TS]

01:40:27   the app that I want her read my texts or [TS]

01:40:29   whatever complaints people are going to [TS]

01:40:31   have yeah I I just think it has to come [TS]

01:40:34   but not anytime soon i'm not saying that [TS]

01:40:36   even this year or next year but you know [TS]

01:40:38   eventually there's going to be a ir s [TS]

01:40:41   version 13 and they're going to features [TS]

01:40:43   for it and this is gonna be one [TS]

01:40:45   yeah maybe but I I'll is it's the kind [TS]

01:40:48   of thing where like the amount of work [TS]

01:40:50   it takes to have like you know to [TS]

01:40:52   separate out like all the iCloud and app [TS]

01:40:55   store stuff with multiple logins and iOS [TS]

01:40:57   like the amount of work is going to take [TS]

01:40:59   but isn't that already done [TS]

01:41:00   don't you think it's already done like [TS]

01:41:01   are no we essentially I are we [TS]

01:41:03   essentially using a multi-user system [TS]

01:41:05   that just has one user on it [TS]

01:41:07   well it's it's done at the level of like [TS]

01:41:09   the unix user-level sure but it's I [TS]

01:41:12   don't think it's done at like the the [TS]

01:41:14   like services integration level like I [TS]

01:41:17   don't think you have but what but I [TS]

01:41:18   wouldn't be done at that level because [TS]

01:41:20   those same demons the same thing [TS]

01:41:21   concerning I was 10 [TS]

01:41:22   well first of all it doesn't work that [TS]

01:41:24   great understand a lot of times but it's [TS]

01:41:25   a very different environment but like [TS]

01:41:26   this [TS]

01:41:27   keep in mind i was this is also the part [TS]

01:41:30   of iOS that not only relies on that big [TS]

01:41:33   messy store and icloud back [TS]

01:41:36   it's really hard to get anything out of [TS]

01:41:37   but also this seems to be the buggiest [TS]

01:41:40   part of iOS is like the part that [TS]

01:41:42   manages your account logins to these [TS]

01:41:44   backends that is its it is so always [TS]

01:41:47   fraught with minor bugs that like pop-up [TS]

01:41:50   dialog for you to login on the time and [TS]

01:41:52   everything like that doesn't like that [TS]

01:41:54   doesn't on the mac too but yeah and that [TS]

01:41:56   part of iOS is a mess and it's probably [TS]

01:41:59   a mess for a good reason [TS]

01:42:00   it's probably a mess because it would be [TS]

01:42:03   so much work to fix it that they just [TS]

01:42:06   will never get around to to improving it [TS]

01:42:08   like i donated time scale mean I'mI'm [TS]

01:42:10   executives say never but like but well [TS]

01:42:12   but but why is it a mess on the mac like [TS]

01:42:14   it just seems like what I would expect [TS]

01:42:15   for them to implement the multi-user [TS]

01:42:17   feature there may be some things that [TS]

01:42:18   they make where they cut cards that have [TS]

01:42:20   to go back and fixed up for the most [TS]

01:42:21   part where you end up with two is with [TS]

01:42:23   two separate messages you have multiple [TS]

01:42:24   users both of which would experience the [TS]

01:42:26   weather that we talked about in the past [TS]

01:42:27   show or sometimes it keeps asking for [TS]

01:42:29   your password and they would both [TS]

01:42:30   experience that they would both get [TS]

01:42:31   their own little private experience of [TS]

01:42:33   those bugs but i but i don't see that as [TS]

01:42:35   an impediment to then both having their [TS]

01:42:37   own private experience of those bucks i [TS]

01:42:39   think you're you're making very bold [TS]

01:42:42   assumptions that that like Marco said [TS]

01:42:45   the unix underpinnings of iOS have [TS]

01:42:47   written all the way to the user facing [TS]

01:42:50   portions of iOS if I were apple and i [TS]

01:42:52   was writing iOS code way back when when [TS]

01:42:55   it wasn't even a thought that there will [TS]

01:42:57   be multiple users [TS]

01:42:59   you bet I would probably be taking [TS]

01:43:00   shortcuts to try to get things out the [TS]

01:43:02   door quickly that assume that will that [TS]

01:43:05   there were only ever be one user to any [TS]

01:43:06   of these systems I i really think that [TS]

01:43:09   that Marcos right now you're it's gonna [TS]

01:43:11   be a long time before we see this now [TS]

01:43:13   but here so I i agree with that they did [TS]

01:43:15   take those shortcuts that the iOS one [TS]

01:43:17   point or iphone OS there was no evidence [TS]

01:43:19   was all it was just a master collection [TS]

01:43:21   of shortcuts it had to be to even you [TS]

01:43:23   know get things to work but this feature [TS]

01:43:25   in iOS 9.3 shows that they've actually [TS]

01:43:28   done the work already and it's only a [TS]

01:43:29   question like they had to have done the [TS]

01:43:31   work because Hey look multiple users and [TS]

01:43:33   yes for enterprising classroom and [TS]

01:43:34   server and cloud and it's as is aimed at [TS]

01:43:36   a different user base or whatever but [TS]

01:43:38   they had to have done that work they had [TS]

01:43:39   to have gone through everything and said [TS]

01:43:41   final place to recut cars because this [TS]

01:43:42   thing isn't gonna work at all if when [TS]

01:43:44   one student logs in this is the other [TS]

01:43:46   person stuff or if they can't log into [TS]

01:43:48   the you know they're doing [TS]

01:43:49   that is being done and so once that's [TS]

01:43:51   done it's only a matter of time before [TS]

01:43:54   they decide to eventually get around to [TS]

01:43:56   giving you the version of this that's [TS]

01:43:57   not just for classrooms [TS]

01:43:59   well it's I mean it's done to some [TS]

01:44:01   degree and we don't mean none of us know [TS]

01:44:03   if we should ask for your Spears we none [TS]

01:44:05   of us know like to what degree this is [TS]

01:44:07   done like how like what is kept per user [TS]

01:44:10   like what what isn't [TS]

01:44:11   you know but like you know is it like [TS]

01:44:13   down to the iCloud account level [TS]

01:44:14   includes every kid in my class account [TS]

01:44:16   or just like their own files and [TS]

01:44:18   probably I don't know I i would guess it [TS]

01:44:20   is it is done to a fairly shallow level [TS]

01:44:22   i would not expect this to be an easy [TS]

01:44:25   way to just say i will just take this [TS]

01:44:27   and just enable it for everybody like [TS]

01:44:29   that i don't think it's gonna be that [TS]

01:44:30   simple i just had a sad thought which is [TS]

01:44:32   their multi user switching could [TS]

01:44:34   basically be a race the everything about [TS]

01:44:36   the previous user and go through really [TS]

01:44:38   fast for setup process like in other [TS]

01:44:39   words there's only ever one user and [TS]

01:44:41   switching involves deleting the user [TS]

01:44:44   that was there and putting in another [TS]

01:44:46   user so really is single user all the [TS]

01:44:47   time and all they do is delete [TS]

01:44:48   everything having to do with one user [TS]

01:44:49   really hope they didn't implement that [TS]

01:44:51   way but that would probably work i think [TS]

01:44:52   didn't I think freezer so that might be [TS]

01:44:54   actually how it is done he was saying [TS]

01:44:56   like it's not it's not a room for your [TS]

01:44:57   stuff the ideas that will take your [TS]

01:44:59   stuff and put it in my club which makes [TS]

01:45:00   sense because like if if you switch [TS]

01:45:02   accounts to somebody who has more stuff [TS]

01:45:04   thinking fit on the current ipad you [TS]

01:45:06   have to purge the old person stop [TS]

01:45:07   especially with a classroom because of [TS]

01:45:08   class and i padded club in a classroom [TS]

01:45:10   doesn't have three users are gonna have [TS]

01:45:12   like 15 or 20 and so you can't 15-20 [TS]

01:45:15   people stuff on there so as you change [TS]

01:45:17   users eventually someone stops got to [TS]

01:45:18   get purged on but i'm thinking of like [TS]

01:45:21   this scenario where every time you [TS]

01:45:23   switch user it says there used to be [TS]

01:45:24   another user of this ipad but forget I [TS]

01:45:26   ever existed delete all their stuff push [TS]

01:45:28   it up to the cloud blah blah blah and [TS]

01:45:31   create a new user and it's only ever a [TS]

01:45:33   single-user ipad as far as the ipad is [TS]

01:45:35   concerned there's only ever been one [TS]

01:45:36   user to changes periodically and that [TS]

01:45:38   would be depressing and that would be a [TS]

01:45:40   way to implement this is a shortcut but [TS]

01:45:41   i really hope you didn't do that but [TS]

01:45:43   honestly I i do think that in this day [TS]

01:45:45   and age you know it makes sense to do [TS]

01:45:47   this in classrooms where you might have [TS]

01:45:49   a bunch of devices like stationary [TS]

01:45:52   installed in a classroom like in a lab [TS]

01:45:54   or something like that or you have to [TS]

01:45:56   you have to share between people because [TS]

01:45:57   you don't have enough like that probably [TS]

01:45:59   happens a lot education I think in this [TS]

01:46:01   day and age [TS]

01:46:02   I don't think we really need to be that [TS]

01:46:04   concerned with multi-user use of today's [TS]

01:46:08   ipads iphones and laptops like desktops [TS]

01:46:12   maybe even laptops and most most people [TS]

01:46:15   I i would love to have data on like what [TS]

01:46:19   percentage of max out their have more [TS]

01:46:21   than one user account whatever you wait [TS]

01:46:24   till Adam gets older and he wants to use [TS]

01:46:25   your computer and suddenly you'll be [TS]

01:46:27   thankful that you can give him his own [TS]

01:46:28   account August by cases i'm at that [TS]

01:46:30   point given given me you know just by [TS]

01:46:32   his own computer right yeah if you're [TS]

01:46:34   gonna put a computer in the ruin your [TS]

01:46:36   seven-year-olds room and then come back [TS]

01:46:38   and scrape the peanut butter off the [TS]

01:46:39   screen periodically but i doing iPads [TS]

01:46:41   now i will not in his room but yeah I [TS]

01:46:44   have to clean the people are off of my [TS]

01:46:46   ipad air 2 now whenever she does it [TS]

01:46:49   anyway multiple accounts i think it's a [TS]

01:46:51   good idea i don't think i don't think [TS]

01:46:53   it's going away and whether you think [TS]

01:46:56   it's important for iphones and ipads [TS]

01:46:57   that exists now as the ipad pro [TS]

01:46:59   continues to develop in that direction [TS]

01:47:01   as it becomes a more viable desktop and [TS]

01:47:04   laptop replacement I think it's [TS]

01:47:05   inevitable but I i concede that i may be [TS]

01:47:08   overestimating the sophistication of [TS]

01:47:10   this multi-user implementation there may [TS]

01:47:11   be a massive amount of work to be done [TS]

01:47:13   I still think it will happen but let's [TS]

01:47:14   just push the timeline out a few more [TS]

01:47:15   years [TS]

01:47:16   very good alright thanks a lot to r3 [TS]

01:47:20   sponsors this week fracture blue apron [TS]

01:47:22   and hover and we will see you next week [TS]

01:47:26   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:47:32   mean to be in [TS]

01:47:33   because it was accidental it was [TS]

01:47:37   accidental [TS]

01:47:39   John any research Marco and Casey would [TS]

01:47:43   know [TS]

01:47:44   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:47:47   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:47:51   know the day EP dot and it for twitter [TS]

01:47:57   follow them [TS]

01:48:00   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:48:05   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment are see that [TS]

01:48:14   Syracuse [TS]

01:48:27   tired probably looking too many blue [TS]

01:48:31   screens probably like last couple [TS]

01:48:34   episodes been pretty good we can put [TS]

01:48:36   that in the show because it's you know [TS]

01:48:38   too self-congratulatory as I say it's [TS]

01:48:40   gonna be a short show you have really [TS]

01:48:42   yeah it's true [TS]

01:48:43   yeah yeah let's follow up follow us back [TS]

01:48:45   follow-up was back with a vengeance [TS]

01:48:47   today that's true well that the place [TS]

01:48:49   was it was really a topic that was like [TS]

01:48:51   more about flex about that i mean both [TS]

01:48:53   of you have very different lots of [TS]

01:48:55   difficulties with the concept of [TS]

01:48:56   follow-up in the format [TS]

01:48:58   haha hey please educate us [TS]

01:49:01   Casey's a tale of woe like it just like [TS]

01:49:04   well we usually start with follow-up but [TS]

01:49:05   instead we're gonna start with other [TS]

01:49:06   thing which is properly a topic and then [TS]

01:49:08   flex and infuse app infuse app is [TS]

01:49:11   followed by him let's talk about the [TS]

01:49:12   views that the people recommended here's [TS]

01:49:13   how it works for us Bob LA but then it [TS]

01:49:16   is spinning off into hairs what you know [TS]

01:49:19   my complaints about blacks I'm guilty [TS]

01:49:20   just because you believe me into it [TS]

01:49:22   oh yeah it's all our fault how you gonna [TS]

01:49:23   flex and you guide duplex and what [TS]

01:49:26   you've heard like flex is a topic your [TS]

01:49:28   tailbone was a topic the follow-up item [TS]

01:49:30   you could clear this infuse item and [TS]

01:49:31   like you know two-and-a-half minutes if [TS]

01:49:33   we just hit the bullet points anyway we [TS]

01:49:35   survived the show survives we soldier on [TS]

01:49:37   but I was actually thinking as we were [TS]

01:49:39   I i noticed as we were talking about [TS]

01:49:41   Casey's imac for 40 minutes before we [TS]

01:49:43   even begin follow-up I thought you know [TS]

01:49:46   this is actually a better format i kinda [TS]

01:49:48   like having the follow-up like after [TS]

01:49:50   topic one because it gives you a chance [TS]

01:49:52   to like get into the show with something [TS]

01:49:54   new first now it doesn't logically [TS]

01:49:58   speaking you hear the previous show and [TS]

01:50:00   you're angry because they got a bunch of [TS]

01:50:02   stuff wrong with the next episode start [TS]

01:50:03   you want to hear immediately the case he [TS]

01:50:05   knows that he got the c-sharp thing [TS]

01:50:06   wrong [TS]

01:50:07   yeah I don't know i-i-i put the tail [TS]

01:50:10   well first because i thought it was more [TS]

01:50:12   dramatic that way but i did kinda like [TS]

01:50:16   having a little something a little [TS]

01:50:18   appetizer before the follow-up but you [TS]

01:50:20   always do that yeah I didn't you always [TS]

01:50:22   that's the format of the show is it one [TS]

01:50:24   of you has something to say before we [TS]

01:50:25   begin to follow and how long the thing [TS]

01:50:27   is fine but here's an hour [TS]

01:50:28   this was my time to shine John don't [TS]

01:50:33   live here is your time to cry [TS]

01:50:35   sure your imac yeah how about that case [TS]

01:50:37   the the box that little a trapezoid [TS]

01:50:40   e-box yeah very weird i liked it very [TS]

01:50:42   weird [TS]

01:50:43   although I tell you what putting that [TS]

01:50:44   junk back into the styrofoam what a [TS]

01:50:46   disaster [TS]

01:50:47   mostly because i'm an idiot when it came [TS]

01:50:48   to that but really I found it very easy [TS]

01:50:52   to repack an imac find a pretty easy to [TS]

01:50:54   you just need practice [TS]

01:50:55   yeah what I've never had to deal with it [TS]

01:50:56   before i had to bring my head to bring [TS]

01:50:58   my thunderbolt display back to the apple [TS]

01:50:59   store many times I was the best man with [TS]

01:51:01   that size and shape [TS]

01:51:02   yeah but ya know I just never done it [TS]

01:51:06   before with a with something that shape [TS]

01:51:07   I mean unless I have a desktop it was a [TS]

01:51:09   tower which is a big rectangle so it was [TS]

01:51:11   very different for me and I don't quite [TS]

01:51:14   understand the the black aesthetic we [TS]

01:51:16   understand the box but usually the [TS]

01:51:18   things apple those boxes are about [TS]

01:51:20   fitting more in a shipping container you [TS]

01:51:21   know basically like in less [TS]

01:51:22   environmental waste more things you know [TS]

01:51:24   but more product and less volume right [TS]

01:51:27   but I really don't think they're packing [TS]

01:51:29   these things up like you know top bottom [TS]

01:51:31   top bottom top bottom to try to get [TS]

01:51:33   space-saving so I see is that wedge they [TS]

01:51:35   cut out of it is just empty space in the [TS]

01:51:37   shipping containers when they ship these [TS]

01:51:38   and you can you can only stack them on [TS]

01:51:40   the way now that anyway I it seems like [TS]

01:51:43   it's just an aesthetic thing which i can [TS]

01:51:45   buy but if there's some shipping related [TS]

01:51:48   reason why they want that taper I'd love [TS]

01:51:50   to hear it [TS]

01:51:51   why would you wouldn't stack them like [TS]

01:51:53   one right side up the next right upside [TS]

01:51:55   down no no I don't think they do that [TS]

01:51:56   like I would imagine that they're not [TS]

01:51:58   meant to be shipped upside down right [TS]

01:52:00   setups and right up it seemed i think [TS]

01:52:02   they're I bet they are [TS]

01:52:03   I bet they think so yeah it was like [TS]

01:52:05   what do you think they fill the gaps [TS]

01:52:06   with like a whole bunch of mighty my [TS]

01:52:07   secret is Topsail little triangles plus [TS]

01:52:11   that that's what I'm saying like it just [TS]

01:52:13   it just seems like the apps the apps [TS]

01:52:14   would be ere I i would imagine that [TS]

01:52:17   these things ship only in one [TS]

01:52:18   orientation for just for like the [TS]

01:52:20   security of like bouncing around and [TS]

01:52:23   cargo containers but maybe they do ship [TS]

01:52:24   find upside down and they do alternate [TS]

01:52:25   the chat room is very upset because you [TS]

01:52:28   are very wrong John there i'm wrong but [TS]

01:52:30   i want to do upside down right setup you [TS]

01:52:32   that you are wrong in saying that they [TS]

01:52:33   are all right setup they are they are [TS]

01:52:35   wedged in one right side up one upside [TS]

01:52:38   down as as mark when I suspected [TS]

01:52:40   yeah I I just thought they wouldn't do [TS]

01:52:42   that i thought the like that that [TS]

01:52:43   shipping upset i will be bad you know [TS]

01:52:45   the whole thing with a side of power [TS]

01:52:47   amazon boxes the numbers attention to i [TS]

01:52:49   see that i still see them on boxes that [TS]

01:52:51   come to my house usually not facing up [TS]

01:52:53   anymore [TS]

01:52:53   well I can imagine imagine how bad it [TS]

01:52:55   would be the because you know whatever [TS]

01:52:57   however Apple ships them that's [TS]

01:52:58   definitely on how like UPS and FedEx [TS]

01:53:00   going to ship them so like you know [TS]

01:53:02   imagine if you designed a computer and a [TS]

01:53:04   shipping method of that computer sucks [TS]

01:53:06   that it had to be kept a certain way up [TS]

01:53:08   otherwise it would just break [TS]

01:53:09   I don't like have to be just like that's [TS]

01:53:10   the best orientation is the most secure [TS]

01:53:12   so when Apple controls the shipments [TS]

01:53:14   like that but in the last mile it's all [TS]

01:53:16   over the place because he based a little [TS]

01:53:17   boxes all right yes it's somewhat but [TS]

01:53:19   the outer box is also that same shape [TS]

01:53:21   yeah yep as that they are the real [TS]

01:53:23   reason this of course is to make the [TS]

01:53:24   giant wheel imax those guys maybe credit [TS]

01:53:28   if you put them together not alternating [TS]

01:53:30   eventually you get a big wheel that you [TS]

01:53:33   can stand in the runaround [TS]

01:53:34   that's awesome that out on the quad and [TS]

01:53:36   their what I assume is their college [TS]

01:53:37   because where people have a this many [TS]

01:53:39   imax and be this much free time [TS]

01:53:41   yeah i think that their key the key [TS]

01:53:44   thing that they did either right or [TS]

01:53:45   wrong depending on your look at is these [TS]

01:53:47   empty boxes and so they were held [TS]

01:53:49   together had together with that with [TS]

01:53:51   like clear packing tape and everything [TS]

01:53:52   and eventually the packing tape and like [TS]

01:53:54   the boxes themselves structural [TS]

01:53:55   integrity together if you can i'm a cage [TS]

01:53:57   one of those things that would have some [TS]

01:53:58   serious momentum you could have ever [TS]

01:54:00   gotten moving [TS]

01:54:01   yeah we've been very heavy be very [TS]

01:54:03   expensive wheel [TS]