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151: The Opposite of Final

 

00:00:00   hello everybody we are live from las [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/0">TS</a>]

00:00:03   vegas with our CES extravaganza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3">TS</a>]

00:00:06   extravaganza is it extravaganza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6">TS</a>]

00:00:10   not really no I'm just kidding and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/10">TS</a>]

00:00:11   we're going to talk about stars for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/11">TS</a>]

00:00:12   three hours as a little exchange between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/12">TS</a>]

00:00:16   one of our listeners and the ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/16">TS</a>]

00:00:20   watching ever listening up there folks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   there in the cloud that's why I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23   everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/23">TS</a>]

00:00:24   peter brock power was tweeting at us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/24">TS</a>]

00:00:28   about this and he said an FYI up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   is hosted on AWS Little Snitch told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/30">TS</a>]

00:00:33   so AWS Amazon Web Services and little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   stitches a firewall program to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   where computers connected to ya and up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   there on Twitter responded not true we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/39">TS</a>]

00:00:42   built our own stack from the ground up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/42">TS</a>]

00:00:43   and host our service on this stack so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/43">TS</a>]

00:00:46   I'm not quite sure what little snitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/46">TS</a>]

00:00:47   was on about maybe it's connected AWS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/47">TS</a>]

00:00:49   for some ancillary things but straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   from the up their horses mouse mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54   they are not using AWS they have built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/54">TS</a>]

00:00:55   their own stack which is what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/55">TS</a>]

00:00:56   talking about the last show whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/56">TS</a>]

00:00:57   mysterious technology they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   presumably the whole point the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   is not to write in iOS and mac app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/61">TS</a>]

00:01:04   connects to s3 like that's not you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/64">TS</a>]

00:01:08   I don't think for transfer layer would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10   do a start-up and focus on that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   there's a million of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/73">TS</a>]

00:01:13   well I mean they could have also been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   working a layer above that like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   could have been using easy to servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   like some other part of AWS as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   their overly know just like how I cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   uses some AWS stuff and some as your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/83">TS</a>]

00:01:26   stuff as far as we knew forever ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   yeah but that like what would the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/88">TS</a>]

00:01:31   may even even a c2 like I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/91">TS</a>]

00:01:34   just seems it seems counter but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   all there is that's all the rest up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/96">TS</a>]

00:01:37   there there's no it's a icon is built on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   top of this whole bunch of other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/99">TS</a>]

00:01:40   like that's just this you can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42   street the storage back end or view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   movie if you don't have your own data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/104">TS</a>]

00:01:45   centers or whatever you may be good bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   24 compute stuff but i don't know i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/107">TS</a>]

00:01:49   always imagine whatever they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51   being more interesting than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   fair enough any other follow-up through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/113">TS</a>]

00:01:56   this and follow up just because it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   don't know if there's any information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/118">TS</a>]

00:01:59   here but if you throw in some follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   just because you couldn't stand not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/121">TS</a>]

00:02:02   having me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/122">TS</a>]

00:02:03   no i mean like i was i had this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   topic section before when I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/125">TS</a>]

00:02:06   know we talked about this on a pet show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   so it's kind of follow-up but i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/128">TS</a>]

00:02:09   sure how filled information it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/129">TS</a>]

00:02:12   friend of mine was messaging me today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   he's like so how do you feel about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/134">TS</a>]

00:02:15   headphone port going away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   iphone 7 and I said a you obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   don't know Claud cast and be at what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24   you know what are you talking about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   i missed some news or something is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   oh yeah they were talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/148">TS</a>]

00:02:29   before but it wasn't confirmed until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/149">TS</a>]

00:02:30   today I like woody what are you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   about like I really thought like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/152">TS</a>]

00:02:33   Apple had announced that there was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   be no headphone cord on the iphone 7 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   I forget the regular people don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   what confirmed means so this is a former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   is a Forbes article it says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/161">TS</a>]

00:02:44   headlines iphone 7 leaks confirm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/164">TS</a>]

00:02:47   single quotes Apple abandoning headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   jack so they put they did the work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   you they put in scare quotes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   headline at least have the decency to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/173">TS</a>]

00:02:54   say confirm doing air quotes now confirm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   any way more so we talked about this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/177">TS</a>]

00:03:00   a path show more rumors more supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/180">TS</a>]

00:03:04   park leaks this one has a neat little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   concept image because you can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   remember story you gotta have someone do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/188">TS</a>]

00:03:09   a mock-up image of the iphone 7 and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   looking at this mock-up image and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15   do you guys think it looks a little thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/195">TS</a>]

00:03:17   to me but anyway this is more smoke for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/197">TS</a>]

00:03:20   this potential fire of the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   port going why i don't know i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/202">TS</a>]

00:03:23   too early to make any kind of call but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/203">TS</a>]

00:03:26   if I keep it is not that forms a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   track record but it's making me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   about it against making you think how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/211">TS</a>]

00:03:33   Apple could explain this inevitability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/213">TS</a>]

00:03:36   if not this year then next to the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38   after the year after and I think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   of the stuff in this article is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/220">TS</a>]

00:03:43   way that they might explain it the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/223">TS</a>]

00:03:44   being that the phone would be smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   about where it sends audio output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   depending on context i wish all of apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   slices were smarter this way all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   Apple services and devices so if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/233">TS</a>]

00:03:56   listening on my wireless headphones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   know my car explain to bluetooth I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   out of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/240">TS</a>]

00:04:00   it's just my wireless earbuds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   whatever I sit down at my desk and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/242">TS</a>]

00:04:05   switches to outputting through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/245">TS</a>]

00:04:06   headphone jack of my computer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   something I mean like situational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   awareness where you don't have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/251">TS</a>]

00:04:12   plugging and unplugging things will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   know based on your location of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   devices there or your preferred sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/256">TS</a>]

00:04:17   output devices that and then you say see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/257">TS</a>]

00:04:21   isn't that better than headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/261">TS</a>]

00:04:22   and say yeah that actually worked that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/262">TS</a>]

00:04:24   would kind of be better than headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25   jack and lets you could make your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   thinner so everybody's happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   I don't know if that world is in arrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   in time for the iphone 7 but one way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/271">TS</a>]

00:04:34   sell the future I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35   yeah I mean we we talked this to death a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38   few episodes back so it is i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39   we spend too much time on it but I i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   think the world of not having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   headphone jack is probably on its way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   think as we discussed last time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   probably still a few years off mean it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   think the one of the biggest supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   for this is to look at the macbook one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   and the macbook one has two ports the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58   multi-purpose USB / charging port and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/298">TS</a>]

00:05:02   headphone jack and they couldn't justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   any other ports on that but they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   justify a headphone jack and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/306">TS</a>]

00:05:07   that goes to show just how often they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   used and bluetooth headphones do exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/309">TS</a>]

00:05:13   because it for quite some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/313">TS</a>]

00:05:14   there are some decent ones there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/314">TS</a>]

00:05:17   very few good or even great ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/317">TS</a>]

00:05:21   there's a lot of trade-offs to bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/321">TS</a>]

00:05:22   headphones that make them not only less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   good in some ways would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/325">TS</a>]

00:05:26   unusable for certain applications so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/326">TS</a>]

00:05:29   it's it is not a clean transition i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/329">TS</a>]

00:05:33   guessing that that one like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36   crazy translated million times from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   different languages story that we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   back then back in a month ago or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   that one story about how they're just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   a passive special lightning adapter for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   this new revision of the Lightning port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   that would basically have a DAC on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/348">TS</a>]

00:05:52   phone and have it be able to send analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   audio through a cheap passive attempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   earth through the port into a headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   jack port through like a little breakout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01   cable i think that's pretty plausible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/361">TS</a>]

00:06:02   and so if they that I think is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   plausible explanation I've heard for why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/365">TS</a>]

00:06:08   this might not be a big deal if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   make a cheap-ass adapter like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/370">TS</a>]

00:06:13   and you know just said that to you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   even included in the box if it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   that cheap and passive they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   won't it'll be more likely they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   sell it for thirty bucks but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   the weekend we can dream but i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/381">TS</a>]

00:06:25   know where there's smoke there's usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/385">TS</a>]

00:06:26   some fire and I think there's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28   smoke around this that I would move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   from unlikely to somewhat likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/390">TS</a>]

00:06:35   and I think if we if we consider that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   that like special lightning adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   passive adapter thing that makes it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/399">TS</a>]

00:06:42   that makes it more I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/402">TS</a>]

00:06:46   digestible it's like it makes it suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/409">TS</a>]

00:06:49   basically with all these type of stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/409">TS</a>]

00:06:52   like there's a build to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   inevitability until we eventually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/413">TS</a>]

00:06:55   the real parts leaks especially with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   phones you know as the date of the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/417">TS</a>]

00:06:58   phone approaches were pretty far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   now so I was thinking that this next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   round of stories about this rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06   mmm nudge it slightly more towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/426">TS</a>]

00:07:09   realm of possibility but it's still so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   far out that it's within the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/431">TS</a>]

00:07:14   things that could end up being totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/434">TS</a>]

00:07:15   wrong but we'll keep watching keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16   watching it knowledge ever closer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   we'll go basically know for sure when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   the real parts likes come out because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/440">TS</a>]

00:07:21   don't think we've had a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   iphone revision and a long time where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/443">TS</a>]

00:07:26   haven't got to look at pretty much every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/446">TS</a>]

00:07:27   piece of this thing all disassembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/447">TS</a>]

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00:14:28   nobody has but another solution to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/868">TS</a>]

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00:14:34   need to plug it in all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   you gotta plug it in sometime even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/876">TS</a>]

00:14:39   you're just putting it somewhere to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/879">TS</a>]

00:14:40   charge someone walks by your desk in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   accent thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/882">TS</a>]

00:14:42   yeah but the macbook one has as pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/882">TS</a>]

00:14:45   mediocre battery life on the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/885">TS</a>]

00:14:46   lineup it's pretty small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   yeah this guy like revision will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   presumably get noticeably better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   it's still gonna probably require being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/893">TS</a>]

00:14:54   plugged in if you're using it all day so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   the next one is another thing that takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   advantage of the versatility of the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01   type-c port is even bigger it's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/901">TS</a>]

00:15:04   like rectangular thing that pokes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   the side of your macbook one but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09   gives you a whole mess of ports because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/909">TS</a>]

00:15:10   you too big normal size USB gives us d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/910">TS</a>]

00:15:13   car looks like a CF card and also has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/913">TS</a>]

00:15:16   pastor for us bc and this one is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   hyper this looks nice to me i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/918">TS</a>]

00:15:22   talking at work today with someone so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   think i mentioned in the past that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/924">TS</a>]

00:15:25   i'm working these days they're cinema [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   displays everywhere are well really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   Thunderbolts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/929">TS</a>]

00:15:30   place i should say and I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   so jealous because I've always kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   wanted one of those so that i could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/933">TS</a>]

00:15:34   sit my laptop down plug in just a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   of cables and then I be connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   ethernet my microphone and and whatnot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   and and this is a fifty-dollar on sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/940">TS</a>]

00:15:43   you know like kind of many docking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   station and although it doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   ethernet which a little bit of a bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   this is the sort of thing that if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   a macbook one I would absolutely stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   one of these on my desk in and make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   little easier to use even like what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   promising about this too is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   know they're there have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/959">TS</a>]

00:15:59   similar products although never very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/959">TS</a>]

00:16:02   many of them for thunderbolt and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   were always basically from like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   hundred dollars and up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   mm so this it's probably the USB stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   is so cheap to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   even though it is obviously a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/972">TS</a>]

00:16:13   more limited like technically then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   Thunderbolt but this is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   what's it a few more things first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   this is very very small and it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   seems to fit the profile pretty well of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   the laptop so that's nice to hear you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   it's small but like it's compared it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/985">TS</a>]

00:16:30   small laptop compared to the size light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   add significantly to the laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   percentage-wise i feel like i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   changes you from your little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/995">TS</a>]

00:16:36   portable thing to something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   really big here is the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/998">TS</a>]

00:16:39   worries me a lot when i look at it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   the USBC port the only mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   connection between this again like small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:47   and absolute size but larger relative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   size is that the only connection to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   thing like what have you tried to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   this thing up from the side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:53   adapter and accidentally grabbed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   little bit below the spc but would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   twist and crack this thing off and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   doesn't seem to have any other means of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:01   connecting itself the thing other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:03   the USBC but i'm sure it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:04   lightweight and everything just what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   looks like is extending your laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   sideways by an inch but it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   like I don't know it just seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   is a lever made to break that connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16   yeah good point this well and again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   can look at this stuff like I i think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:21   you're going to be connecting things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   your macbook on a regular basis the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:27   macbook one is probably not the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:28   model for you you know because we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   we know a lot of people who have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31   things most of whom love them and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:35   the number one thing we hear from these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   people who love them whenever the port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:38   conversation comes up is they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   really are playing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41   so it's fine and I think if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   to be plugging things in just get either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   an air or the presumed soon to be coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:50   sky like 13 inch pro which should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:53   probably be pretty competitive than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   missing lightness wise to the 13 chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:58   but we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1078">TS</a>]

00:17:58   yeah i think this though but especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:01   the the price like you said Mark I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02   that is stunningly cheap yeah 50 bucks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:05   mean you can't get a thunderbolt cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   four 55s seriously probably can now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:10   please don't even know me but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:11   couldn't do first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   it reminds me of like a pc peripherals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   because it's like a CF card reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   really no it's not it's not no it's SD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:20   and microSD yeah I I maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   misjudging the size 10 because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:23   everything is relative to the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   the mackerel keep forgetting how darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:26   small thing actually is so yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:28   anyway the SD of the micro-st it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:32   took out those two slots then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   wouldn't have such a long lever with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   which to crack off the USBC connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   but you know there will be a it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:40   as if I think like go full-length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   internet like seven more slots or go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   even shorter and just add the full-size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:47   USB you know and the pastor I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:50   I don't know anyway people apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:51   buying them so excited you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   go that far wrong for fifty bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:57   and i would definitely recommend for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   people who have their laptop on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   desk like not for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   constantly picking it up and carrying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   place to place or if you want to travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   with it and like if you wanna be like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:07   the plane but you have like plain old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   USB peripherals that you need to use or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:12   you want to be swapping SD card to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14   but you know pulling pictures of cameras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   while you're sitting in your plane seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:17   I wouldn't want this thing hanging out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   the side while I'm trying to handle my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:20   thing on the tray anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   well see to me I i think this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24   actually the opposite way i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:25   for a desk you want something with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:28   one cable that plugs in and have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   kind of breakout box with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:31   stuff in it that way you can kind of get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   it away from the side of the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34   and not have the stress on there every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   single day and kind of make a cleaner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   desk if you can if you can hide that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39   stuff somewhere behind a desk or under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   ever whereas the this one I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   better for travel because you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:45   adaptability to these three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:48   port types in one small thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   doesn't have itself it's own cable so 44 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:53   like sighs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   tidiness in a travel bag full of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   cable adapters and computer junk this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   would actually be a big win i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:00   was saying on the desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   mostly because then there's less chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   of meeting someone lifting up and crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   nothing off you know because explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   flat on the desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:09   yeah and you can manipulate it and stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   the things into it you're right like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:12   is even better will be a cable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   snakes away from the thing and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   work well for travel in terms of clutter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   but I don't know it just makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   nervous just looking at like I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   looking at that because of pictures like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:23   it really is just a little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   connector it just doesn't seem the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:28   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:28   yeah that that would make me nervous as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   well to be honest but I mean it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:32   the thing is I think you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:33   break the computer with that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   going to break the adapter because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:36   computer has the aluminum case like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   laser-cut opening around that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   you're not going to break the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:41   by twisting the thing I'd feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:42   you're going to break the or maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:43   would be just a battle between two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   pieces of aluminum see which one I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48   know the world's least interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:49   battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50   yeah well it's exactly all these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   are doing like the yeah was it a mkbhd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:56   whatever was doing his stabbing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:59   iphone 6 suppose that iphone 6 screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   with a knife and everything we need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   even more boring equivalent of that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   let's that stress test the connector on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   this USB hub type thing because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   that's our domain if we have a youtube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   channel will be all USB hubs ok you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:13   you heard it here first type of shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   send us one of these to review along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   with a macbook one that you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:18   and we will do this to mr. on the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   pretty remarkable film it on his fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   still image camera that's also kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   video camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:26   yeah all right anything else on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:31   thing I can't believe this is the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:32   this week it's like it's this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   this is why I hate CES because the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:37   news that happens is either like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   pie-in-the-sky stuff that will never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   come out or like USB port news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:45   it's like it's not with some CS news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   like people keep sending me the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   about the like OLED TVs that are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   to be shown or announced that CS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:54   maybe they have been by today but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:55   haven't caught up on the story said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   basically just wait for CS to be over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   and then find the summary stories to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   pick out the three things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02   actually good or interesting and say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:03   and then just read that that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   all but I CS is good for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   interested in TV is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   they find out that like it's a it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   an interesting year where nothing good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:12   has happened or you find out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   however still obsessed with 3d or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   everyone is still obsessed with curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:17   screens or some other chemical you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18   like this year the gimmick seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   identical range which I am interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:23   and I hope is an emerging standards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   will be like this is a picture it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:27   legitimate picture quality improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:29   not something that's chemically like 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:32   and not something that's ridiculous like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   the curve so I I'm glad for that to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:39   the new thing this year but if it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41   new thing this mirror that means all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   televisions that have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:44   support for this year going to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   the very first generation that tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   support and maybe they're competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49   standards and that's all I got to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:50   itself out so it's still not time to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53   a TV but i'd like to read about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   I haven't yet so I don't think so yes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:58   a total loss is just like a ninety-eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   percent loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   wow what a low bar that we expect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:05   God soso John your summary of the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:09   news coming out of CES is I'm ready yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   that's my i will give next week i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   know more but my summary is it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   like I dynamic ranges the thing is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:19   and I don't know whether everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:22   over the curved screen thing it freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   we should we should actually said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:27   would love to send you to las vegas for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   this week just just to just to capture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   the misery of that trip that like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:34   would be I would go for that if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   just to film you being there nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   wants to go to see nobody does that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   the thing that I think people understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   like for those who know a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   who cover CS as part of their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:48   nobody likes it like people like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   to back a day people like going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   Macworld to cover it if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:53   interested in apple stuff people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   going to w3c people like going to google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   i/o if you're interested in Google's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:58   nobody likes going to see us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   nobody i'm i think a lot about who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   this for I guess it's is it for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   retailers or advertisers John it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:09   consumer electronics Sean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   no I mean it seems like there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   legitimate reasons for some people to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   there seems like there's a lot of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:17   meeting with the reps that happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   private meetings that can be very useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   to people but to actually be on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   floor I don't really know who that's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   necessarily besides like people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28   tasked with covering it and who as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30   said usually hate this job because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   grueling and and pretty pretty intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   but even people who are meeting with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36   reps behind closed doors I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   like the meetings but they wish they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:39   could meet basically anywhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   world of the CGS like all come to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:45   city where is your company located i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   will fly the your city and do i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:48   guess maybe it seems I just I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50   heard anyone say I can't wait to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:53   see yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:54   nobody not vendors not people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   going to meet with vendors like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:59   the most circles on traveling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:00   people who were like some a buyer for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:03   big store chain like the best buy person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   or something you want to go to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:06   they're gonna buy for that maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08   look forward to it just seems it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   the worst of it I think of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   that's bad about conferences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   concentrated and then i can multiply by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15   5 kinda like III used to be but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:18   III was exciting for people who weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   there like even III was at its worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   I've ever been to three but i know a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   of people have even III was at its worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25   was just completely overblown and nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:29   really you know it's exhausting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   nobody wanted to cover it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   it was exciting for people who weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   there because he would say I can't wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:34   to see what announced at e3 so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:37   if you want you want to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:38   coverage you get excited but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   impression of cs is that people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   there don't want to be there and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:43   aren't there don't want to read about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:44   mysterious our second punch this week is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:48   a glue go to a glue software.com / ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:52   for internet you will actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   anyone has worked in a corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   environment knows how painful Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   can be the contents tail the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   is ugly and you can't access on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   phone or any kind of modern device made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   after the year 2010 now igloo is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   internet you will actually like because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   it is designed with modern technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   and modern sensibilities for real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   usability Italy give you the flexibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:15   to get your work done how you want where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   you want and whatever device you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   their truly building a product meant for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   2016 and beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   not the nineties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:24   with a glue internets you can share news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   organize your files coordinate calendars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   and manage projects all in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:32   everything can be optionally social with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   comments like buttons revisions messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   and anyone can add content based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   their permissions with drag-and-drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   widgets and what you see is what you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   editor in a blue makes use of responsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46   web design so it looks fantastic on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   your devices whether they exist today or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   where they're going to come out tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   it will already look good because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   fully responsive modern web design with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   modern social and and collaborative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   features that so that you won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   your employees going out to use things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   like you know dropbox and Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   like all the stuff that is public that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   you that you want to keep the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:07   inside your company inside your internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   igloo is very corporate friendly they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:12   that they're very secure the vehicle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:13   granting permissions all the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   you need to sell to your company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   it's even free to use forever for up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   10 people so check it out today a glue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   software com / ATP free to use up to 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   people and very reasonably priced after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   that and at any size you get a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   trial so check it out today it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   software com / ATP for that free trial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:33   get started now thanks a lot to glue the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   internet you'll actually like so a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:39   weeks ago we started talking about Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   being open sourced and then we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   sidetracked by i'm not even sure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   but here we are again scraping at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   bottom of the barrel so why don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   talk a little more about switched open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   source and actually talk about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   that's cool which is the swift code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:54   conduct or if you let me talk with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   mac pro some more so that without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   swift code of conduct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   yeah we got to order the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   the ball gets a burrowing topic after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:02   this but the code of conduct is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   that has been happening over the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:07   I'd say year so has become more popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   every sort of open source project or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   volunteer based community thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:14   conferences around sort of any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   ad hoc collection of people especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   in the tech world has been starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   have an actual written down code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:24   conduct that is exactly what it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:25   like it's sort of yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27   set set of rules or expectations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:31   behavior like just to give examples you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   could have a code of conduct for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   I don't know a website where people join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   want to talk about knitting and the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:39   of conduct could say if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   participate and admitting forms and talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   about knitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:44   we don't want you to use curse words or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:47   whatever and then you can decide hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   don't want to be part of a community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50   where I can't curse so you won't join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   that knitting community right but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   sets clear expectations like here is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   we expect people to behave and it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   you something like if someone misbehave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   you can point the code of conduct hey we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   have a code of conduct here this is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:02   it's going to be these are the rules if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   you don't like it you should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05   someplace that's a different set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:06   rules and it's like that for open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:10   projects for conferences where like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   going to show this conference is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:13   to be a conference my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14   programming language and there's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   to be talks and everything what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   expectations what what kind of behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   isn't allowed what who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   how how are the people in this community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   expected to be a there's been minimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:27   push back to the idea of a code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:29   conduct is a lot of nerds are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:30   literal-minded and don't really see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   nuances and things is a well code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:35   conduct doesn't actually make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:36   behave in a certain way you're right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:37   doesn't but by writing it down you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   setting expectations i can do for kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   or whatever there any sort of that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:44   just it's it's more comfortable to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   what is expected because that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   everybody decide if they want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   part of a community with this set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53   sort of rules and guidelines if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   we're going to get interesting thing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   you think not being allowed to curse is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:58   stupid you know right away this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   in any community for me I should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   someplace else where people are knitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   and also like the curse right and on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:09   minute stuff in terms of like making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:10   jokes other peoples expense or like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:14   sort of aggressive behavior and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:18   just right now stuff like no violence no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:20   hitting other people so I guess mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:21   like that you do for little kids you set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   the expectations of you know here's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   you expected to behave in preschool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:26   no biting your friends expect you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   share the teacher is talking expect you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   to listen you know everybody eats at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:33   this time and maps at this time or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:34   whatever you doesn't mean that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:36   going to happen but you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:37   write it down and I said the pushback is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:41   mostly of people thinking that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:46   you saying if we don't have a code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:47   conduct we allow those things are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:49   to go without saying or writing it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   makes it seem like we're we're telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:54   people that are coming here that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:55   going to behave badly why do we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56   write down stuff like don't murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:57   people like they should know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   already or are you trying to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:00   sound like we're a bunch of murderers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:01   here or really what's under the covers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   lot of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   say you're just coming up with the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   of conduct can be like especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   programming projects or whatever like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:14   there are debates about technical issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:15   which we'll get to in a second debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:18   the issue don't debate the person don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   know ad hominem attacks when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   discussing some features and programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:23   language or open-source project don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:26   call the other people other person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27   jerk or an idiot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   do not attack the person or that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:30   is personal history keep your debate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:33   the topic at hand and again this may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   sound like yeah these all sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   reasonable rules whatever it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:38   little things you do for kids but at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   certain point people push back against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   that an example is the linux kernel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:43   mailing list where linus torvalds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:47   penis or ever you want to set the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   creator of linux very often is that uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:53   very salty language so again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54   bending form of linux kernel mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:57   was totally allowed to use curse words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:58   that's in there you know if they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1918">TS</a>]

00:31:59   contract which i'm not sure if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   but if they did it would be in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:02   because that's that's sort of what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   expect and has been known to say pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   mean things about people not just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   their thing you know like it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   it's a there is a fine line am i calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   when I say this is the stupidest idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   I've ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:17   I'm kind of criticizing the idea but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   also kind of being mean about it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   whatever anyway that community has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   pushed back against the idea of trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   to be more civil to each other or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   civil to each others ideas or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   like that so that's you know that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:29   kind of community one if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   come in there and they were to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:32   come up with a code of conduct and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   make a set of rules that past behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   doesn't fit into the people with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   past behavior feel like they're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:38   being excluded from the community that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:39   they're important part anyway all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   is a big grand way to say that Swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   doing what I think is the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:45   which is from the very beginning having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:48   a go to conduct and I look at the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:49   of conduct and it seems pretty saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   and and pretty tame and i think it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:55   good thing for anybody whether it's in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   preschool or knitting club or an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:01   source project or website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:02   to our web form or anything to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   down their code of conduct as early as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   possible and revisited as needed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10   amended and clarify and so on so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:13   just to have a starting point and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   guideline instead of just assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:16   everybody will behave and all agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   about what proper behavior is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   pretty sad that it's come to this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   but i think that the one universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   internet truth is that even if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   act like a petulant child upfront anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:32   on the internet is but the smallest push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   away from being a petulant child and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:37   i agree with you this is a good thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   have this reminds me of the post by was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   randi harper's that right that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   that shows what happens if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:45   have a code of conduct and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   think about these issues right so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:50   had posted this is freebsd or well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   the woman who used to be known as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   previously girl she posted recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57   really really good and not terribly long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   post about how she was treated in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:00   bsd community and its really pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   deplorable and in its in you could argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:06   just like Marco said that is in no small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   part because they didn't really have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:09   established code of conduct and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   even when they did if you believe what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   she says which I do you know they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:14   act they didn't act fairly once once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   there were issues escalated which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   really too bad but that will put a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   to that in the show notes in and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   work in any sort of community I i highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:29   recommend reading her post because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   was fascinating and a code of conduct by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:35   as many people that does not guarantee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   good behavior because there's issues of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   enforcement and those debates about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   should things be enforced is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   enforceable at all like another reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   people shy away from code of conduct as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   I think it opens up this big can of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   orange nail off the debates but these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:48   are these are important things to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   about and it's better to talk about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:51   before anything has happened like sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:54   out amongst yourselves not in not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:57   light of some actual event because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   so much harder to figure it out in life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:00   no it's very difficult to come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:03   good set of rules and figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   you're going to enforce them and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:06   follow through on it but it's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   better to engage in that process than to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:12   bury your head in the sand because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:13   engagement process will first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:14   people making the policies that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   force you to think about things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   hopefully you'll go and say let me look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   at the people's code of conduct let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   look what they wrote down and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   collectively all the codes of conduct of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   various the communities and open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   products are getting better by looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:27   at each other in the open source kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   way and say what are they run down how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:30   they phrase this what kind of all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   didn't even think of that we should put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:33   that into because I believe that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:34   wouldn't have even occurred to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   write it because i'm not in that group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   of marginalized people and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38   realize that was the thing we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   write down but i totally agree with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:41   now that i see it and you know get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   all down ahead of time and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:46   gonna have you no incidents and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49   have to figure out how to deal with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50   and then you look at half of the palpa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   dealt with events and read you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:53   read Randy's thing and say here's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   this community tried to deal with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   event and here here's how it went badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   how can we avoid that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   what kind of policies can we have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:02   place to help with it no one's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:03   perfect it's not a guarantee of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   it just shows that you are engaged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:08   the process that you are committed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   the idea that you can manage your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   community to be what you wanted to be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:15   be a more welcoming community to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   successful community for the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   people that you want you can make a code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   of conduct that sets totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   kinds of rules but it's so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:24   to just think about like Who I want what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   I want here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28   do I want people who are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   technically skilled but also really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   really angry and mean all the time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   you want that like right into your code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   of conduct like that there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   expectation you'll be berated and curse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   that and we only accept people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:44   the highest of skills i'd like to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   the community you want for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:47   whatever it is that you want but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:50   much better to to take on that task as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   an actual thing rather than falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   ass-backwards into it's sort of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   just end up with this community and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2218">TS</a>]

00:36:59   you're not quite sure how you got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   so that that's what I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   important buttons and switches very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   sensible and they're coming it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:06   relatively late in the game to Swift was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   an open source project until recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:09   and I think they're benefiting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   all the other code of conduct that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   come before them and at this point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:19   kind of the type of thing where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   are a community or an open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   project without a code of conduct people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:26   are going to ask why why don't you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:30   maybe you should think about not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:31   same your bed or anything but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:32   saying you may not have thought too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   about this but history has shown that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:37   a good thing to have and the active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   thinking about it will lead you to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   better community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   agreed alright what else is going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   with Swift this is a program every topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   enough market talks about all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:49   under the radar but I save one for here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   I think you got to this one's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:52   esoteric but I continue to follow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55   Swift evolution mailing list or try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   follow anyway it's still still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58   high volume where the people talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   the future Swift and make proposals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:03   debate them and go through all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   things this big process of evolving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   Swift is becoming more formalized with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   different phases of whatever anyway this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:14   one particular proposal that I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   started to get at the heart of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   seems to be one of the big internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:19   struggles between Swift and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:22   community formerly known as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   objective-c development community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   I guess they're still not as that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:27   anyway all the people are writing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   the code objective-c an apple saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   guys should think about moving Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   some point because we are and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:37   debate around things that are allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   and disallowed static and dynamic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:43   know free or clamp down and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   particular one is about whether classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:49   should be final by default in Swift as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   in if you don't say anything one way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:56   the other in your defining class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:57   Swift should that class b sub classical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:00   and commendable and be able to do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02   know extended and have things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   overwritten or by default should be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   closed up and you can't screw with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:07   and it's not really a question about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:10   capability because no one is saying all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:13   classes should be all closed up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   final for all classes should be open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   it's just a question of what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18   defaults are in the defaults have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:21   effects one is obviously affects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:24   the actual code because a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   just take the default right you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   then so if if no one does anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   they just do class and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   about this particular keyword don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:33   think about it what do they get by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   default and the second thing is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   choosing the default if people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:38   about it for a little bit they'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   it's like a signal from the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   language we think most of your classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   should be like this it's the default but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   if you have special needs make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:51   class like this and like having a java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:56   you know the default is not final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   I don't know my job i think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2398">TS</a>]

00:39:59   case and so what they're saying is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   default in Java of you declare a class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   you can sub class but that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:06   we think that's the common case but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:07   you have special needs like say for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   performance reasons or you really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   want people extending your class you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   declare it to be final by adding this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:14   other keyword and so that means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:17   most people just like a Java class blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:20   they're all getting glasses it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:21   some class and extended all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   because that's the default and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   philosophically speaking it's so clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   the java really expect people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:28   subclass your stuff and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   exception to the rule is all you wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   make you think finally all closed off or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:34   whatever sorry if I'm getting this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:35   mrs. this job a default thing backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   i haven't touched job in a really long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   time somebody named job and not 13 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:43   the chat says it is not final by default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   and I think they would probably know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   because their name is java nuts well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   yeah there's no way they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:50   changed their name to java not know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   anyway yeah i think my recollection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:55   anyway so the proposal for swift is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58   default final and this would make swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   one of those languages is saying most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:03   the time when you make glasses we expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05   them to be like done but sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:08   might want someone to be able to extend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:09   your class and in that case we want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:12   to have to put a special keyword or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   whatever in there to say all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   people like I'm writing a base class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   other people are supposed to subclass me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   and override these three methods do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   other thing and this is really again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25   it's not really like a technical debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:26   because both things would still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:27   possible this is really a sort of battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   for the heart and soul of what Swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   and what objective c has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   I i pulled a little quote here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   Jordan row so i think is a someone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   Apple although it's very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   tell miss evolution list when people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   speaking for themselves as users of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   swiftor as contributors to the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   source product and when they're speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   as Apple employees kind of implicitly no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:51   one has ever speaking for Apple because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:52   no one speaks for Apple except the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   coco i guess but when there's an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   com in their email address like just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   don't notice that is their opinion carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:01   more weight i still haven't quite sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:02   out the sort of uneasy dance between at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:07   apple.com people like Apple employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   working on swift and VA the unwashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   masses of the Swift community and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   that power balance works and most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:17   most part the back-and-forth has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:20   very polite and mostly so i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   most people realize look apples doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   most of the work here and I made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   language Apple is going to do most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   the work here so we can have some input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   the bottom line isn't heart you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   never develop Swift on your own or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   seven people are going to take swift and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   run with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:35   no probably not so all you can really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   is give your opinion anyway a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   what this default final thing comes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   to is the expectation by Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:45   programmers that any sort of framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   anything in the framework that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   not behaving correctly or that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   making a subclass of that you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   override methods that you want to behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:56   in a slightly different way like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   even do a lot of interesting things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:01   UI kit and a half get by overriding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:04   things in subclasses even things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:07   you know overriding them in ways maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   that you know to turn something into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   no operand make something happen a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   effect when it didn't have before even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   to do things like me objective-c runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:16   reach in and do what I think they called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   methodists whistling where you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:20   reach in there and you screw with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   implementation of a base class not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   a subclass but you say you know you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   got a blonde method i would like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   I'll save a reference to what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   original blonde method was but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   point your entry for the blog method to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:32   my code that will do some other crap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   then call your code and that will modify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:35   everybody uses this grass not my sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   class but the base glass everywhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   those are the types of things you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   when classes are not entirely closed off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   when you have access to their guts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:45   can screw with them and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   subclassing above and beyond that so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   get back to what Jordan Rhodes said here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:50   he says supporting arbitrary code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   injection into someone else's framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:54   is a non goal for swift perhaps even an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   anti goal if you replace a method and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:59   someone else's class you don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:00   know what semantics that relying on of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   course Apple code will have bugs in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:03   trying to patch over those bugs in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:04   own code is one obviously not an answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   apple support but also too fraught with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:09   peril and three likely to break in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:10   next OS release this is referring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   specifically to third-party developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   saying when things are open and able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:18   be screwed with sometimes that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:19   only way we can ship hard a map because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   you've got a bug somewhere deep in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   framework and sometimes we can you sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:25   classes and enough for us to fix and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   to the region to the guts and and mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:28   with a method just to make our appt not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   crash we can't wait for you to fix the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   bug apple and a point 1 release because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   that could be two months around we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:35   to ship now and our application doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   run on the new OS that you're about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   release so we love to be able to go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   some framework thing and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   quantitative methods are messing with in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   a certain way to work around some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   strange bug or even it's just a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   like an animation bug or something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   crashes you're out but nobody else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   that third-party developers are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   be having the freedom of the objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   runtime to mess with these things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2698">TS</a>]

00:44:59   Swift really doesn't want that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02   thing to happen Swift would like it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   in the future that the you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:08   that is not you know get it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:09   something I want to support they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:10   want you to be able to reach into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:11   anyone's framework apples or anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:13   else's and say oh you have a bug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   there I'm gonna fix your mug for you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   I want your thing almost does what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   want but this is one behavior doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   have I would like it that if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:22   this one thing I actually didn't trigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:23   this other action so I'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   reach into your guts and screw with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:26   and programmers to get used to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29   freedom it's kinda like a that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:32   last resort but it's nice that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:33   there but if you are a developer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   frameworks you don't know everything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   the guts your craft messing with it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   like you don't know what you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:40   what the semantics of my framework are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   you don't know what invariance the ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   violet your-your-your violated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   messing with that value I don't want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:48   touching my this this member variable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   you're not even supposed to exist that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   might disappear and then s next OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   version I don't want you messing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   ending and things that Michael because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:56   you don't you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57   source code instead even if you did is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:58   my framework is supposed to be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   black box to you just use the public API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01   don't mess with my implementation and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:05   thought this this battle which is linked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   to the MJ sighs blog post a link to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:11   bunch of discussion and to the man with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   itself without losing my list i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   this is country was fascinating because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:17   it really does get at the heart of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:20   old guard vs the new guard and Swift and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23   I really want to hear both of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   opinions as I because i don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   the c-sharp world is like but I do know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:29   what the objective c worlds like so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   Marco if he's ever had to reach into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   some objective c framework and screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   with it to get his application ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37   Casey what he thinks of this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   battle between the the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   framework authors vs the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   application developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   I mean I've never had to swizzle to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   anything that to me is a is over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:52   line of like you really really shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:55   do that like that is more dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:56   subclassing things that that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2816">TS</a>]

00:47:00   intended to be subclassed in especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:03   in uikit I do that a lot and or not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:06   lot but I you know I've done that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   know numerous times over the years i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   pretty sure overcast does it does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:11   little bit of that reinventing my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:15   methods to override parent methods in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:18   those sub classes that are intended to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:19   be overwritten I've done that almost I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:22   totally get it from the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   perspective of almost always there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   something you want to do an app that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29   that there's no other way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   besides sub classing up some UI kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:34   thing and you know including my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   child version of a method and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   hoping I call super at the right time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   I have to at all and just hope nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   bad happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:43   testing it on the one released that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   had access to and then shipping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:46   hoping it doesn't break in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   that to me and and this is all like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51   know your your subclassing but I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   do some subclassing public method so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   there is some documentation on them some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:58   public expectation of how they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:59   behave they're fairly stable so that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:03   never actually caused problems that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   know of to do that that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:07   and they're there really have been a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   of these occasions where the there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:11   limitation in the in the public API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:14   there's just no better way to do this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:17   there is no lived with no other way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   do this at all and so you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:22   stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:22   this is one of those things where in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   theory it would be nice if you never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   to do this and if they were if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   have all the technical advantages of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   doing this in a similar way that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   theory it would be nice if every mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:35   with sandboxed you know and then in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   practice these these strict technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:40   limitations get in the way of reality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:44   real-world use and they they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:46   require a level of of competence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:50   perfection and expansiveness from apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53   and it's frameworks that in reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   probably won't come and so it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:58   the key in theory it's great in three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01   the having everything be final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   default and having no overrides possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   that sounds great for for academic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:08   theoretical safety but in practice I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:12   don't think modern developers with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:15   apples frameworks are really able to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   that way the reality that is just not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   doesn't support that it does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   apple is not that great and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   aren't that flexible to to be required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:29   to avoid this entire class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   functionality and possible bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   avoidances and bug fixes that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   simple things like subclass overrides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:38   can provide yeah you know it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:41   let me start by just quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   establishing the c-sharp unsurprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   takes the same approach to this is javas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   except where you say final i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   sealed so III know it's seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:52   totally different languages where yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   right exactly that's why it is a java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:55   club no not at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56   so yeah so it's sealed classes to me not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2996">TS</a>]

00:50:00   final but that everything else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   exactly the same and they are not sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04   by default and in fact it is striking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   even within Microsoft frameworks to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   something that sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:09   that's very peculiar that being said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:13   think I think the problem is that man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:17   and John you alluded to this earlier so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20   much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:20   objective-c seems to be about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   subclassing and up over time even from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:28   my perspective of someone who doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:29   live in it seems like that starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:31   go away between blocks between should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:34   something else until my tongue anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:35   it's going away but a lot of legacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:39   objective-c seems to be about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:40   subclassing and subclassing when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:45   author of that class hasn't deliberately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:48   decided for that to be subclass is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:51   inherently dangerous and so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   Swift seems to be about at least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57   comparison to objective-c about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   preventing danger about having stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   typing about doing more compile time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   check and make sure you're not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   something stupid so much about Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   seems to be about preventing danger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:11   about being safer and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:14   carte-blanche access with a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   exceptions to subclass anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   inherently dangerous and so it seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:24   me that the academic answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:28   unequivocally that classes should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   final by default that being said one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:34   the things I've struggled with lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   and co-worker of mine that we we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   worked together on a couple projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   lately it's been a really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   experience because he is extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:45   academic or at least that's the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   think of him he really likes to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:48   things by the book and he really likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   to do things the rightist way possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:52   by comparison of course i like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:55   that too but by comparison I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   I'm considerably more pragmatic or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   perhaps loosey-goosey is maybe how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   would describe it i would say pragmatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:03   and I come down I think in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:08   that Marco does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   yes academically everything should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   final by default but realistically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15   don't see how that's really possible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   what I think looking at it from my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   of view what's what's difficult about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   this is Apple has a tendency to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:24   assume they know better than everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:25   and so even if we had classes final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:32   default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   I think it's pretty clear that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   wouldn't allow classes to be extended in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:39   subclassed very often because they tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   to assume we know better than you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   shouldn't touch this and well in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46   principle that should be true that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   should know better than us in reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50   there's so many just minor bugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:53   issues and in things that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:54   developers need to do in order to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57   around small problems that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   that's reality and so in the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:04   academic in me says yes it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   final by default but I i come down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   Marco that this seems to be a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   broad and a little too aggressive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   change to be to be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   is there an objective-c like at keyword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   or something for doing the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   final are sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:21   I don't think it's possible so my take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:24   on this so far from looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:25   thread and thinking about it a lot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   that Swift seems to be like Casey point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:30   out like that the whole thing with Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   is it's trying to be trying to be less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:37   open let's open to interpretation less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   open to possibilities than objective c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   in terms of world is variable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:44   initialized when will be initialized can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:46   I do what can I guarantee about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   things do I at one point do I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   half initialize object floating around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   somewhere in my thing like all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   can I be sure that this method i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   calling is going to exist in this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:57   how sure can i be sure I want to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:01   of that is for performance some of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   for safety suffice for both but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:04   definitely the the direction Swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   going it's trying to have its cake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   eat it too is like how we do things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   are safer and we do things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   faster and we can do it with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15   with with less typing and less code must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   cover be fewer bugs and so you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:20   power more safety more speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:21   everything's good right but less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   flexibility is kind of floating around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24   in there rattling around alright more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   power more safety more speed is it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   flexible as it used to be well how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   you define flexibility and app kit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   the objective-c AP is have really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   have been built around the ideas of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   subclassing so much so that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40   like this is the expectation if not of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   the framework offers then at least of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   the application developers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47   if you have some kind of problem uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   maybe you can solve with the subclass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   right maybe maybe that class has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   everything you need but you need to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   a little extra functionality so subclass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   it and categories are like some class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   too much trouble because it million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   other places inside the framework that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:02   use any string and throw category and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   string now all your strength of about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   thirty method yay like a very sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:10   open to like this is this is a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:14   world's toys and you can screw with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   world wise and and swift rise to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   something else which has extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:19   which are like categories like how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   want to throw a method on on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   string or number in your thing go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   you want to make a new operator that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   works on all integers you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   like ya go nuts but it tries to do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   a safer way so given that safety is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:33   a concern of the language huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:37   I think it's natural it fits the Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   language to say final by default and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:43   furthermore i think that the technique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   of building user interface libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:48   where everything is assumed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   subclassed able by everybody leads to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53   substantial amount of the sadness that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   we good resuscitates the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   subclassing and eventually in rare cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:58   this whistling to happen because not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:01   because like the the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   developers are bad but because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:04   people making the framework aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:07   giving like when they're writing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   know all these classes that make up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10   frameworks that people use their not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:13   thinking about designing for subclass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16   ability versus not there there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   whatever mindset there and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   someone could subclass me so i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   make this class of classical but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   also probably thinking what was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:27   subclass this one or they're thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   when I need to update this class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   boy I'm about the updated classic new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   major version of this OS what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:36   people who subclass the old one by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   breaking their crap by changing and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   like well I can't no I can't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41   what they did in their sunglasses like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   had no real way of expressing the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   that I didn't expect to vary versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   things that I did and if they over this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   method and and did some weird thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51   there is something you know timing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:52   ordering thing or having to do with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   that I don't know what the subclasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:56   doing and that the thing I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   final default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:00   will force people do is especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03   framework brothers think more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   which parts of this framework should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:08   some classical like what what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   extension points what are the things can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   that can vary versus the things that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14   vary maybe they come to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:17   decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:17   this is the thing about the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   default maybe it turns out that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   people who are writing uikit or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   like the next swifty version you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:25   they're very core foundation Swift as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   they work their way up the stack maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:28   those people who are writing those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   families will come to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:30   conclusion that all the same classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:31   that you can override in UI kit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   you'd also be able to you override and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   some swifty equivalent of the same type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   of UI framework like they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:40   were did you wouldn't lose any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:41   flexibility at all but at least they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   will then forced to think about it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   would imagine what they come up with is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   to to reduce the surface area of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:51   that you can mess with to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   clearer what what classes you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   expected to subclass and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:59   documented better like how you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   you're expected to subclass like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:03   does a well-behaved subclass of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:04   thing you know is it possible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   sunglasses in a way that makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   little break with the next step date of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10   this thing or just making some classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:11   not some classical all because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   not supposed to mess with that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:14   really need to mess with it you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:15   instead extend it or use composition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:19   make your object have one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   instead of be one of these and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:25   seems like a more natural fit to Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:26   roommate was I think long-term forcing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:29   everybody involved in by changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:31   default forcing everybody involved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   think more about subclassing instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   it just being the default like well of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   course I get some glasses everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:38   it's like it's my wrist it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   know it's my right it's like the First [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   Amendment freedom of speech and freedom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:43   to subclass thinking more about it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   will cause everybody involved both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   framework colors and the programmers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   try to to try to reduce the sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:55   ante pattern that we see in the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   frameworks where everything is up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   grabs and anytime something updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   nobody is really sure about what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:03   breaking because they have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:04   people subclass inhale so I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:08   all of that but the problem I come down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:11   on is I don't think Apple would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:14   good citizen of this mindset and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:17   whatever and this is what i was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   earlier that apple would assume no all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:23   of our stuff is flawless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   we don't want you to subclass this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   there's no reasonable reason for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   ever have to subclass this so we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:32   going to allow you to and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   that they would be pragmatic enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:37   realize well we don't see any particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:42   reason that anyone would need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:44   subclass this class but you never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:48   and you shouldn't hurt anything if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   do so will just allow you to what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:53   is the opposite of final key word in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55   Swift you know I whatever it may be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   know so well market is not final and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   know so well market is not final and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   it and I just don't think they'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   good citizen of this environment I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:03   other framework authors might because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:06   they seem to be less aggressive for lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:09   of a better word but i don't i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:12   don't think apple will be good citizens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:13   of that environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   no I mean modern apple is pretty is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18   restricted by default and in many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   towards developers and in most ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:23   has worked out well for them and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:26   that pattern of being restricted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   default is it something that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:31   ingrained in them that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:34   they're going to revert course in that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   mean objective-c is only as flexible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   loosey-goosey as it is because its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:43   ancient and it came from a time and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   cult and a culture and a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   was very different from today's apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49   and where their dynamism was was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:52   goal and and was considered very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   advanced for the time now modern Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:58   does things like this we're like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   know Swift will be all locked down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:03   and rigid and and strict and final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:07   default that like I see them doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   mostly because it just fits in with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:13   the way they see the things they see now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   is being correct and in many ways these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:18   things go in weight and programming you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:19   know like what we've programming is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:22   not a young practice anymore it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   going on for decades things go in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27   out of fashion and you know and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29   are trends and there are fashions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   there are you know fads and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   and open versus closed loose loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:37   typing vs strict typing dynamic vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:40   statically all these things go in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41   fashion at different times often just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:44   reacting to what was popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:46   previously I think they just go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   cycles and we're in a cycle now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:51   what is in fashion today is strictness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:55   and formalism and compile time check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:58   compile-time safety apple is right up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   there with everyone else with with Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04   it in that regard and also in just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:07   environment that apps running with being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09   sit with you know iOS being locked down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11   sandboxed everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   Mac App Store being sandbox only if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   anybody's the mac app store whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   separate discussion having technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   blocks in front of calling private api [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:22   is an app store apps things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24   like this is the direction Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   going and has been for quite some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   so I i agree that this is not i wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:32   expect today's Apple too if given a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   choice to redesign something from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   scratch as they have with Swift to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   the option to say you know what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41   going to let people so class our stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   no they're looking for ways to lock it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   down and I think ultimately I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:49   what we've learned as a profession as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   programmers over the last few decades of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   having popularized oo programming i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:58   think what we've learned is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3778">TS</a>]

01:02:59   subclassing really is messy and has tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:03   of anti-patterns and tons of potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:06   for weird unforeseen bugs and problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:09   and a lot of dysfunction that becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   possible without programming and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:12   course the strip everything but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:15   as a working programmer III don't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   around look around my friends and I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   you know people who are all programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   who are kind of evaluating like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   who are smartly print Simmons I can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:25   know kind of evaluating like what how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   should be doing is moving forward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   subclassing in general is going out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:32   fashion very quickly among programs not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   just not just among apple and Swift but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36   among all programs i know subclassing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   really out like it is it is going out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:41   is possibly out now so you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:45   Apple you can say as I have that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47   really don't see them choosing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:49   differently on this if given the choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:50   i think i see them going final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:53   just because it's apple and that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55   they are these days but also I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   there's enough support from programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   now for that you can't really say Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:03   is exclusively at fault ignoring what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   everyone's saying I think you can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:06   you can make a good case for there being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08   enough support the apples kind of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10   the right call for the whole community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:11   yeah that's the thing so to look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:14   from the flip side you know we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17   know the sorts of things that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20   to deal with you know we don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   sorts of crazy ridiculous hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:25   that third-party developers do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   aren't as skilled as the Brent Simmons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   of the world you know the what makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:31   brand Simmons really good at what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   does is that he knows when a hack is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:36   the right answer and when it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   typically since it's being called a hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:41   the answer is not often but we don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:44   the sorts of BS they have to put up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   by the really shoddy developers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:47   that aren't really thinking things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:49   through properly and so I think if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:53   were an apple shoes it's easy to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:56   lulled into trying to lock things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   because you genuinely do feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:02   know better and when you're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03   all these really disgusting hacks you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   know better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:07   it's not just a feeling of knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:08   better you do know better but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:11   problem is it's just it's the bazooka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   approach to something that that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:16   you need a scalpel for and I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:19   think what makes this discussion so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:20   fascinating what makes me enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:24   engineering sorry dr. drank so much is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:27   that it's these sorts of difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:30   decisions that make our job so much fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:33   you know 22 way these options and figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:36   out what is the right answer but also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:38   think you can you can look at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:39   modern-day Apple as you know in be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:42   the position of authority if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:44   things like the appstore restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:46   like private api restrictions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:47   sandboxing on both platforms but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   especially in the mac i think if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:52   presented with the option of do you let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:55   developers ship something that needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57   ship and and this is like as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59   mentioned like this is you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:01   might be able to say well if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:03   you're smart enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:04   you're allowed to break the rules but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:05   that isn't first of all that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   usually true and you still generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:09   shouldn't because a it's still a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:12   idea and be you probably aren't smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   enough but even even for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:18   smart enough they still probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:19   shouldn't be doing that because everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:22   is done at some point while programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:23   and you know that the idiot who wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:27   that was probably just your past self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:29   but anyway if you look at like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:33   problems of shipping shipping things the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:35   problems of like you know in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:36   world especially like so much of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   business these days as consultant and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   you know like from being insulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   shipping is often of utmost priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:46   above things like doing things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:49   exactly the best architectural way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:51   best practices you know you just gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   ship stuff and and that's it but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:56   isn't all that is an apples problem an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:57   apple doesn't necessarily play by those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:59   rules with the way it treats other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:01   developers if Apple's given the choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:04   of letting developers ship more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:07   functional stuff more quickly at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:09   expense of of security or restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:13   or calling private api's apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   choose to let them ship things apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   says you know what that's not our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   problem we would rather have you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   ship a product at all or ship a lesser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:24   product or ship a later product then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:27   break any of these rules and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:29   better example of that than everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   that's ever happened the mac app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32   like Apple would rather lose apps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:35   that to the app stores and to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:36   platforms they would rather lose apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   completely or have apps be reduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:42   functionality and lose features over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:44   time warden or never have certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   features they would rather not allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:48   those things or have a laugh fewer apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   or have later or worse apps then have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52   apps that are better in a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   permissive environment sure everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:57   do in the mac app store is that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:58   forethought that because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   unforeseen consequences unforeseen by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02   Apple as well is that they have a goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   in mind and realize there's be difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   to get from there from here so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:07   that's often side of a guy getting back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:10   to have something both you said earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:11   about what will apple do like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:14   know we can trust Apple this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:15   they're going to lock everything down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:16   because that's the kind of company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:19   they are i think it's appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:23   Apple to be more conservative because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:25   they're not just a company that writes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:27   bunch of frameworks people use they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   the platform they are the foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   there the thing upon which everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:33   else built they should be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:35   conservative than you are with your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:38   classes and stuff that's that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:40   role like so not that Swift is just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:43   for them but in any language if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:47   are tools to be conservative and to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:50   to reduce the surface area tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   reduce the public API try to reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   number of things that other developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   calling to like they do with like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:57   stopping private api in their app stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:59   and that's all part of the same process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:01   they should do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:02   that's because they are there underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   everything else so they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   responsibility to be more solid and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:11   resilient to people doing crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:12   on top of them then the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:15   building on top and your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:16   code be all loosey-goosey all you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:18   you can get away with that because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   people building layers below you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   get to be a loosey goosey and travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:25   sample does that and they follow through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27   on what you think is their instinct to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:28   close stuff up which i'm not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:29   sure that they would because again will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:30   be the same people who are advocating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:31   uikit during the thing and you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:34   isn't any more clothes than after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:35   just change the change the vectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:38   change the they knew which things would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:39   more be more likely to vary which is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   you like it seems like so much nicer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:42   deal with a nap because they learned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:44   when people use this kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:45   mostly they want a very x y&z and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:48   we'll build our glasses to make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:49   things very well anyway if i was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:51   close things off in the the new swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:54   frameworks or whatever that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:58   basically force people like developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4198">TS</a>]

01:09:59   like well I can't work around this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:00   anymore because I can't even subclasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   thing over i do you think is your stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:03   framework is all closed off and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   have your source code it's a binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06   framework so the only thing left for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:08   is to file bugs and what that will mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:10   is that many more developers are forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:13   essentially to like they did they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   no workaround they have to tell Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:17   hey I can't make my button now you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:20   tent color and this button blue in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   scenario because there's you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   because of the way the framework works i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   have no access to that little knob to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   turn and I can't subclass it and do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:31   so please like you know but I'll file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:34   the bug and and I can't shut my app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   you're preventing your ship map is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:37   is no workaround and apple in response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:40   to this has added pressure to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:43   these requests because they can't say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44   yeah no that's a bug but for now just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   you can just work around about running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   this method like there is no workaround [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:49   both parties no Jesus no workaround we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:52   didn't think about this this way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:54   people use the frameworks that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   can't get that they can change this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:57   thing that seems i'm only reasonable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4257">TS</a>]

01:10:59   change that's going to force Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:01   reconsider maybe if we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:05   this can we have can we provide a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07   supportive way to do this and this much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:09   more motivation to provide a supportive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   way to do this if it's really common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   thing that tons of developers and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:14   is literally no workaround is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   workaround because of what Apple did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:17   workaround is a no just open that class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   up the work you know this is the fixes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21   but we don't want to just open the class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:22   up because we know what kind of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   that leads to it x everyone's hands in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:26   the future and makes it so than SOS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28   upgrade could break your app and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:29   but if you really want to change this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:32   thing we should provide a supportive way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   to change it because there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   workaround so you would hope like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:38   you're hoping like this is like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40   best loss that you're hoping that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:41   motivates everyone involved to behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43   better like this is this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   pressing in on a system and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:46   hoping what it causes to happen is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   the system to shape itself around this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   pressure in this this force to become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52   better thing than making everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:54   become better it's difficult to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   people would be easier to just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:57   whatever the hell they want but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:58   just have to both chaos right and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:01   general that the larger issue of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:02   whole thing about Swift and frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:04   and apple the foundation and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:06   is no less code and increased safety is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:10   what you need when you want to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:11   large complicated systems or systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   keep getting better and keep getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:14   more complicated and one of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:16   tools we have to fight against that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:17   reduce the number of things that can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:20   wrong reduce the number of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:21   you can do make more things deliberate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:24   unless things accidental thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:27   yeah and and i think that's that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:30   the spirit of swift and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:32   spirit of the advancement of technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:33   market talk about this going in cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:34   and dynamic vs static whatever I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   all like that some of that stuff does go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:39   in cycles but increased safety is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4359">TS</a>]

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01:19:32   coming on the scene and being someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   the two languages and having the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:36   weight of Apple behind it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:38   potentially do one of two things either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   it could suck people away from those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   things they can say well i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:43   interested in go and rest but Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   seems very similar and just seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   like more popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:48   as a better ide and I keep hearing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   it and whatever or I like it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   something like that just because apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   behind it or gonna have the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:55   effect where it's like I wasn't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:58   consider one of these alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4798">TS</a>]

01:19:59   languages but now the Swift is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01   seems like all bets are off on what used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:02   to seem safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03   C C++ or C sharp or Java that's all then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:06   boston now it's time for me to try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:07   also it's a new languages so maybe go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   and rest receive a huge influx of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   activity and pull requests and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:14   contributing to their communities as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:15   well as well check back in the year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17   see you know I don't know you'd measures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:18   may be like go to github or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:20   see like what happened to the go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:22   rest communities in you know is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:24   anyway we can measure that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:27   effect of Swift to cause those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:28   communities to swell and importance in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30   those languages to mature and become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:31   more popular or was the effect to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:34   of pull people away from those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:35   communities and have them sort of with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   her more now that the the giant Sun that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   is Swift is shining down from WWDC every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:42   year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:43   alright alright thanks a lot 43 sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:46   this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:47   audible.com igloo and warby parker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:51   we will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:52   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:58   mean to be in because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01   death was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:05   John research Marco and Casey would let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:09   him because it was accidental was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:13   accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:14   you can find show know today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:18   DP die and if twitter follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:26   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:31   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment our CC Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:52   name itself this about Casey put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:56   there rip webobjects i think i might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:58   have rip you mean r.i.p yes as in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:02   does this mean for what objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:03   yeah I don't know products is a mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:06   to me a mystery to everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:08   I mean I don't know anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:10   webobjects but I do know that it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:13   is blamed for a lot of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16   shortcomings of apples web services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   I i would guess it's probably not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:21   about what my doctor i'm guessing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   it's much more about like the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25   rest of the stack and that's that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:28   probably a small part of the problem if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:30   it's even still part of the problem at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:31   all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:32   it is probably connected to it but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:34   like the consequences what does it mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:36   what what are the consequences that spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:38   out from the fact that using objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:39   well then we have to return this plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   well we have to run this OS and well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:43   way with allergy applications are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:45   have to factor in this way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:46   really split this up from that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   can't this isn't horizontally scalable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:49   and these are these are tightly coupled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51   instead of loosely coupled we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:52   replace this with the better version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:53   this component you know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55   consequences that ripple outwards from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:58   robotics what object itself i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:00   think it's not a big deal but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   know I i just wonder with the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:03   like that just seems to be like the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:05   person left in the world using it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:06   Apple which is fine but at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   point like every company even if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:11   google has to be like it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:13   thing we do it is we should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:14   make it open and try to get other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   to use it was just us using it will kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   of do a crappy job like it's better to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:20   get everybody else on board like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22   doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:22   swiftor go or resting and then to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:25   say we just use internally we we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:28   support our own weird web framework and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   definitely can't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:31   maybe not what else going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:34   you wanna talk about the Chevy bolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:37   that's antiques get in the chat the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:40   is that though the smaller vault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42   yeah its battery only it claimed up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   do up to 200 mile range could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:47   substantial thirty thousand dollars it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:50   not attractive looks like the i3 yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   i saw a 93 in person again in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:55   and it's one of those things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:56   whenever a new model of a new like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5036">TS</a>]

01:24:00   design comes out at first it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:02   wacky and crazy and ugly and then over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   time you can get you soon as you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:05   morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06   more and it gets you know less new the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:08   i3 has not followed that progression for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10   me to be high three every time I see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:12   is worse than the last time I said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:15   it's so bad why didn't i didn't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:19   anything about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:20   I've thought about it in the past like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22   I'm not in the market for a car but wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:24   aren't you know kind of for Aaron well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:27   for Aaron yeah but not for me but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:30   been thinking and this would not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:31   forever and it would be for me i rarely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:34   drive more than a hundred miles in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:37   week maybe like my commute up until i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:40   went and did staff fog which is markers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   favorite thing my commute was like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:43   minutes and so I would drive maybe 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:47   miles in a day maybe you take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:49   hoverboard to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:50   yeah pretty much which by the way i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:52   realized tonight that the hoverboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:54   everyone we're talking about is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:55   segway without the handlebars I'd I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57   no idea what everyone was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:59   and basically yeah it's a lot simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:01   and less sophisticated but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:03   basically it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:04   yeah I didn't realize that was a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06   but anyway um I there's no reason for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:10   not to have an electric car because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:11   Drive very little it would absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:14   charge itself overnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:15   there's no reason for me not to have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   except that every single electric car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:20   I've ever seen other than the Tesla is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:24   either hideous slow or both and I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:27   not into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:28   so good at Tesla I need to find I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:33   to work like three jobs so respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35   this week by former you exactly need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:38   three more jobs or you guys need to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:42   take sponsorship money for the next like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44   six months and then maybe we can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   about it I don't know but uh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   interesting i guess the boat looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   a American press is what it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:53   yeah kinda like it's small it's a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:56   populace car is not like the model s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:59   where it's trying to be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01   full-sized regular shape car that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:04   happens to be electric the sum was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:06   another 1i forgot the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   company was some kind of basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:09   taking Tesla's and putting a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:11   body on oh yeah I'm for the Faraday or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:14   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:14   is that what that was about yeah that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:17   it's like the Tesla like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   the thing you see in the test the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:20   in the mall just like the battery and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:22   the drivetrain and the wheels and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:24   build a different car on top of it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:26   presumably more money and it seems silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   again it was a it was like the FF 0 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:31   something like that which which made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33   happy because it's a play on the FC 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:35   super nintendo game which I love if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:38   was they would be sued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:39   speaking of which how about that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:42   Apple watch clone from the Swiss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:45   mechanical watchmaker I did you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:48   black no no neighs loop i see i saw in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:51   the monomer site that looks interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:52   but I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:55   there's no reason why Apple couldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57   that like off the top of my head unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:58   there's some kind of manufacturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5218">TS</a>]

01:26:59   challenge but tell you what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   so right now you stole my mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:03   watch thing but the the the black the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:06   space black link bracelet that I got I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:10   don't know six months ago now for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:11   Apple watch that that black dlc coding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:14   is the real deal like it is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:17   flawless and any kind of stainless steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19   band or the same steel watch itself get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:22   scratched to hell in like a second the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:24   black the space black with the dlc on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:27   is just literally like it mine has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:31   scratches on it at all like it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:33   like it is crazy how good that coding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:36   so I I welcome Apple adding more options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:41   that have dlc because that is it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:43   awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:43   it is so good this mechanical Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:46   watches is not good i don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:49   what their yeah i just looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:51   moment you started talking it that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:53   why why Apple had to make it like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:56   you don't it went to me like this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:59   like it the world of mechanical watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:01   if you if you look at mechanical watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:03   and the appeal they have and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:06   look at the complaints that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:07   mechanical watch people have about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:09   Apple watch one of the big complaint is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:11   that the Apple watchers isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:13   attractive watch so why would you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:16   one that looks just like it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:19   seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:20   first of all apples gonna sue the crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:21   out of you and make this stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:23   immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:24   second of all what like why third of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:27   they only selling it in gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:30   so it's like 25 grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:32   I didn't make enough money to pay for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:35   lawyer who's gonna buy that like who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:38   gonna who's gonna spend 25 grand on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   yeah I don't know it just seems silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:44   but I mean you like it's like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:47   watchmakers like what what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:49   going on what's exciting in the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:50   world this entire year we heard about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:52   this tuple Apple watch how can we get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:54   on that excitement something how about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:57   we make you like it we can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59   SmartWatch like we don't know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:00   that how to make a regular water's make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:02   it look like the Apple watch right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:05   similar like the tag heuer I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:09   how to pronounce i'm suing its tag or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11   toddler they're smart watch that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:15   released a few months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:16   it's like the it looks just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:20   regular like you know round mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:22   watch face but it is just a black screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:26   like the Apple watch most of the time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:28   seems like and then like you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:29   turns on and it has a face that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:31   like a tag heuer watch you know but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:34   to me again like that kind of ruins the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:36   point if you're gonna have a watch with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:37   a screen black all the time and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:38   eventually look at it and glanced at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:40   and there's like a computer you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:41   manage then I think the apple watch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:43   the one to get because if you want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:46   computer watch that seems like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:47   probably the best computer watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   right like I I don't get it like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51   that I've seen this world just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:53   bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:53   I totally see the value of a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56   mechanical watch and I totally see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:58   value of a computer watch and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   think those things should be crossed i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:02   think crossing them destroys the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:04   of both really this is gonna get now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:07   must also watch people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:08   well we've already gotten by even I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:11   gotten a lot of stuff from the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:14   people you know I've been thinking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:17   the watch world and speaking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:18   smartwatches a mechanic watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:19   everything I've been impressed so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:21   anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:22   still other wait another year but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:23   impressed with how Fitbit has reacted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:26   the challenge of the Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:28   reacting by basically making newer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:33   more capable series of things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   mostly featureless bands with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37   simple screens incorporated into them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:40   subtle ways i saw a picture of the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42   been wearing a lot of people have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:43   newer fits like they found kind of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:46   the same way that the pebble didn't her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   maybe you know people had some good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   ideas to be like trying to find like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:52   am i different than the apple watch but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:54   still a valuable product like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:55   the road that is still available to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57   to go forward and fit seems to it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5457">TS</a>]

01:31:00   I mean who knows there could be like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:01   flip remember the flip camera back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:03   those years before before the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:05   shot video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:06   oh yeah the flip camera had a Grilli [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:07   great business for like three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   yeah right and so it is still remains to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:11   be seen if it will find a way like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13   of the woods but so far like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:15   reaction to the post Apple watch time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   has been pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:18   no they found it its it's the Fitbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:20   blaze is a real thing yeah look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:23   that's that's how they're getting away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:24   from the Apple watch that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:28   was like an Apple watch with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:29   quarters punched out and that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:31   way i would say you would go towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:33   about talking about the the other food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:35   products the white things activity steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:38   this i think it is a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:41   this is like a better competitor at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:42   least I haven't seen one in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:44   but on their website looks really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:45   like this is the kind of thing like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:48   can see buying that valuing that rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:52   than Apple watch before i could see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:54   you know that the the big Fitbit corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:57   cut off a watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59   it's a smart approaches it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:02   mostly a mechanical watch basically are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04   many units of course probably know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:05   like it's mostly a regular watch with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:07   some very slight like activity tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:10   and sleep alarm kind of things so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:12   it still has all the battery advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:14   of our regular watch its low-cost it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:17   only with under two hundred bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:19   you know long batter is it can be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:21   attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:22   yeah it means to I think it from these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:23   pictures it looks pretty attractive who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:25   knows again who knows like in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:26   but but it looks pretty decent you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:29   under 200 bucks activity tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31   built-ins like that seems like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:34   better kind of approach to to addressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   to try to compete with the Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:37   rather than to be a full-featured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:39   computer platform because you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   going to do that if you're why things or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   Fitbit you're just you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45   compete on that front and the blade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:47   looks more like a fitness like it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49   focused on fitness gps type thing but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:52   was thinking of the charge and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:53   charge HR and even the Flex like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:55   evolution of the Flex into increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:58   large rubbery bands with a tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:00   screen that that appeals to people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:03   athletics like it's for activity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:04   athletics just so focused on fitness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:06   fits right in the name like use clips i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08   guess they do have a clear but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:09   Fitbit like we're not going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11   general-purpose platform for smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   watching everything we do is gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   about fitness and so you can make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:17   whole line of products with a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:19   value proposition of we track the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21   that you're doing your heart rate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:22   your activity and we connect your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   smartphone with a nap and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:25   but there's no real brains in our thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:27   is just an accelerometer and a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:28   simple screen and some magic invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:31   bluetooth that just you know make organ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:32   even the blaze thing looks like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:35   I like those garmin gps things like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:38   really fancy version of a thing you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:40   when your exercise I do not buy the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:41   you like the woman in like with jewelry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:44   with her fancy purse i just do not buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:46   that scenario at all for this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:49   because it is huge and I absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:52   don't buy it as anything of boy looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5632">TS</a>]

01:33:54   bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:55   no one really cares like that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:56   like it's a boner man going on a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:57   and bring a suit and it's like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:59   wearing a suit with this watch like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:02   I didn't know this existed might have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:03   take back some of my my credit but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:06   other things i see them around a lot i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   see them around a lot of regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:09   and they so clearly have is so cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:13   compared to the apple watch and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:15   so like not disposable but like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:18   made of plastic and their rugged and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20   they're there they have such a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   purpose and they're simple and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:26   don't have to worry about like rebooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:28   them are updating the OS or getting apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:31   for them all you know they just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   again remember the flip camera will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:36   back to this in a year and see how see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5676">TS</a>]

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01:34:55   it tries to be and maybe it will be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:58   the future but at the moment it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5698">TS</a>]

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01:35:03   like most about the Apple watch is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5703">TS</a>]

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01:35:06   a two-hundred-dollar less capable watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:09   with a longer battery life probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5709">TS</a>]

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01:35:16   thing like it was the old as the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:18   of compute drops to zero eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:20   smart cuts go into everything just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5720">TS</a>]

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01:35:23   like that it's why would you have is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:25   regular quartz watch without some very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:28   basic accelerometer step tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30   computer smarts and wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:31   connectivity because eventually that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   thing that does all that in one tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   system in the chip five years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5735">TS</a>]

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01:35:39   little metal bar that we used to connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5739">TS</a>]

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01:35:43   and so everything has some amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:44   smarts in an apple is making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:46   high-end one where they're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:47   pushing the envelope like what kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:48   crazy computing stuff can we put in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5748">TS</a>]

01:35:50   but it's like you know like the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:52   of Things eventually it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:54   we're going to a smart chip and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:55   everything and we think that will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5755">TS</a>]

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01:35:58   beginning but it just become so cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5758">TS</a>]

01:36:00   that you just do it because you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5760">TS</a>]

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01:36:05   eventually hopefully we'll find in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:06   same way that electricity camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08   everything you're like everything didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:09   have electricity all I need electricity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5769">TS</a>]

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01:36:13   electricity in a thing and heat see your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:15   house and electricity for that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:17   shovel colon what about electricity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:19   the thing that cooks your food well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:21   just put wood in the stove what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:23   you know toasting your bread i just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:25   it up and white is unless you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5785">TS</a>]

01:36:26   in everything is just gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:27   everything worse and in the beginning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:29   did but eventually everything's got free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:30   electricity so that's gonna be the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:33   with with cpus not everything cpus now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:36   but it is inevitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:38   they will the same way they all get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:39   electricity because and we'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:41   endure the stupid years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:43   we're adding it makes everything worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5803">TS</a>]

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01:36:50   everybody who is used to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:52   quote-unquote real stoves that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:54   have electricity but eventually worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:55   out even even today some people still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:57   have giant gas stoves but no computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5817">TS</a>]

01:37:01   coming watch out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5821">TS</a>]

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01:37:06   and then a time I've been spent some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08   time where mechanical watch it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:11   nice to have something that does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:13   need to be charged or have software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:15   updates click it's so nice because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:18   everything else in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:20   life now has to be charged and require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   software updates and and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   works you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:26   ninety-seven percent of the time but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:29   that last three percent and even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31   crappy mechanical ones I don't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:33   about the computer comes everywhere it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:34   will be so small that you won't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:35   charge it all the time i get probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:37   charge of stuff from the motion of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:38   wrist or something and you won't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:39   update the software because it will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   so few things and it will be a stick set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   of functionality but there will still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:44   a cpu like in the same way that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:47   these vacuums are testing probably have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:48   some microprocessor somewhere inside you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:49   never need to update your never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:51   update it just does what it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52   do you don't even know it's there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:53   have to think about charging as you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:54   it in but it's in there in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:58   all of our cars have a design computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5878">TS</a>]

01:37:59   and now for the most part we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   running soft well Marco is now but most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   of us and our heads home for updates on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:05   our computer on our cars but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:07   just they're filled with cpus so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5887">TS</a>]

01:38:09   the progression need if you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:11   thinking about it and having to charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:13   and software update that's clearly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:14   on the on the leading edge of adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:18   computers to things when we stopped even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   knowing this computer in it that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:22   trailing edge of adding computers things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:23   like cutting off cars on the trailing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:25   edge his cars have this all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   revolution of having their interiors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:29   become a computerized but the engines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:31   have long since been computerized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:33   ship has kind of sailed on our computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:34   I smell rest of the card I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:35   another example something in our house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:37   maybe washing maybe dishwasher or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:39   washing machines they used to just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:41   like circuit boards with a bunch of six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:43   circuits and stuff but eventually they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:44   just all got cpus and we don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:47   about it you don't update them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:48   know how to charge them then it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:49   hassle and they don't crash because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51   they do is so stupid and so simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:54   you know for the most part and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:56   I'll come with a better example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5936">TS</a>]

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01:39:00   that's basically like you know a sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:01   box where like you can't get a firmware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:04   update for your dishwasher like I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:06   it's possible for server people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:08   but like that isn't something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:09   consumers are expected to ever do or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:11   even able to do because what they do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:14   so simple and basic like you hoped there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:16   would be no need for such a thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:18   where were the danger of being annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:21   and reliable comes in as you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:23   something as complicated as an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:25   platform you know like a device that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27   an apple from like a SmartWatch like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:29   that that is complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:31   so now you're expected to have like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:33   smartwatch a phone maybe a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:36   certainly a computer or one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:37   things you know so like you have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:39   these devices that thing and then your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:41   cars are getting smarter they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:42   software that whether it whether it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:45   updated or not it probably needs to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:48   like my car now does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:51   over-the-air updates the way Tesla does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:52   but it has plenty of software bugs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:55   should be fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:56   yeah its biggest don't get fixed at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58   quality that they have the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:00   thing is interesting because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:01   we're in the process of trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:03   out what things should be platforms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:05   what things should I think like for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:07   most part thus far we've decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:08   washing machine should not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:10   application platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:11   I think we're all pretty much in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:12   agreement there so far but people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:14   going to try things that she watches the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:16   application platforms should phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:18   should like should televisions we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:21   finding out the answers to those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:22   now I think we pretty much found out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:23   phones yes they should probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:25   application platforms to televisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:27   carry kinda maybe still out watches jury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:31   still out cars i think your figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:34   you're gonna figure that out for us mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:35   alright mean that maybe like this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:37   really you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6037">TS</a>]

01:40:39   everything is potentially one but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:41   can't all be there is no future where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:43   everything is an app platform in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:45   that we think of that platforms today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:46   but everything will have cpu is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:48   everything for all you know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:49   could be getting magic wireless software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   updates you know again as the as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:52   price of computing drops to zero as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:55   power consumption of computing drops to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6055">TS</a>]

01:40:56   zero as it becomes just so damn cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:58   and so power you know and and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:02   ubiquitous net wireless networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:03   everywhere with low-power you just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   in everything and if you can come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:08   with these sort of the wireless internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:11   enabled equivalent of the dumb embedded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6071">TS</a>]

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01:41:15   the fuzzy logic fair when to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:16   cooking your rice if that has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:18   little minor bug or even just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:21   patch something to the International [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:22   Date authority decides we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:24   skip january fifteenth in the year 2027 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26   for some reason or whatever that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:29   devices in your house will wirelessly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:31   get updates to handle that date thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33   and you won't think about it they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6093">TS</a>]

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01:41:39   but it still doesn't make it right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6099">TS</a>]

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01:41:45   because what we use it for you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6105">TS</a>]

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01:41:49   may have bugs and you would like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6109">TS</a>]

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