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your shopping done I think but I haven't wrapped everything yet and so that
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always leaves me wondering like maybe I forgot something or somebody or I didn't
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get enough for somebody or something so it's always a baseline level of stress
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mode is very worried about not having gotten somebody something or enough
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that's why you have a spreadsheet to track these sorts of things that would
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be wise if I was thinking that far ahead yes I will I agree that that's the kind
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of thing I should do I assume john has just a series of scripts to figure out
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what to buy people now I don't do anything I was thinking maybe you would
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have just a large number of Windows I've met that would be merry you like maybe
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like one window that has like 50000 tabs right in it that was just like one tab
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for every person I've ever known for each gift that you might someday maybe
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wanna get them plus the one you did get them to the path for comparison a
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reference accident does make a lot of money that you need burndown chart for a
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number of gifts you have to buy other people
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burndown chart I was meant to say there's no way market knows that it is a
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nice who doesn't like business yeah not suffer development thing but also a
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business thing what happens in a burned-out try to me it sounds really
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fun and getting it isn't now it's not so you're looking for
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think it's because they look like flames of hell like a layered bar chart but
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you're trying to make it go down to 0 like you're trying to make all these
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different things like how many of Acts how many or how many of the little bars
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over time trying to do is drop them all to hear anybody and he gets the call I'm
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in the midst of reconciling our visa bill which is making me mildly upset cuz
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it's the holidays like during the podcast I'm almost done if you want we
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can we can discuss watching paint dry as best they know this is hugely
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entertaining we can we can walk through a sort algorithm on the air and just
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like an example data set of a house or diagram sorts it out on super fun yeah I
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use this app called money while which is what a name just check your money down
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oh well I was like oh well at some point to leave right now it's a bucket
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full of money but anyway so I like for transactions away from reconciling my
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visa bill in the next to pay it
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delightful because of the holiday season now I'm broke the fact that your holiday
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purchases are already on a bill you've received means that you are way more
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ahead of the game that I well we should start with this is a monumental so this
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is a Christmas miracle to the best of my knowledge and i am not presently looking
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at the notes cuz I'm finishing writing spelling bees that bill but to the best
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of my knowledge still just how long it will take to you sit here and wait watch
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this and we can't watch has not seen anything boom reconciled done how does
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it feel to be reconciled so great except now I gotta pay is not cheap but you are
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reconciled that that is so it's like closure for all of your money or your
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saying goodbye to all of your money in a fully closed state that's true you could
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say I have some reconcilable differences but you reconcile them you have
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reconcile differences away waiting for that market in but I guess you just give
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up that was pretty proud of that anyway what the crap we talked about earlier
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outside do we are doing not have follow-up I should take a screenshot of
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our show notes where there is the heading follow up there is a single
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bullet and there is nothing else runs on vacation I think we had a couple of the
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shows were there was nothing that I can make something out of nothing but I need
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anything to make up is everyone is off and went on to star wars and on vacation
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and follow-up to that end can we establish that I have not seen Star Wars
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and I presume marco hasn't either and so I do not wish to talk about it and I do
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not assume Marco never will so that's true well actually I wanted to start
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this episode with with a bit of a game with a three truths and a lie on those
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things from corporate america as ice-breaker they use so so there's
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here's here's three truths three statements of these are true and one of
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them is allowing you to figure out which one is the understatement
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any of our any of these things store spotless no number one I wrote my first
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swift code not possible number two I played journey number three
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I went to see Star Wars and number for a start using Pinterest I went to see Star
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Wars the line because martin Dempsey things Casey I would concur with that
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but it's hard to vote against you actually writing like there's no way you
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for this way if you're such an old man that there's no way but I would have to
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agree with John that that that is the line that you you you have not seen Star
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Wars you should go with your instinct AC really useful Star Wars and I didn't I
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said what if I went today to a movie theater to see Star Wars wow how did
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that help whose idea was that I'm flabbergasted was actually my idea but
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she was also planning on going anyway so it's kind of mutual did you do this just
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so you can read the internet without worrying about spoilers or maybe tipped
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it was worried about the policy will part of it was because I like I
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basically has no podcasts left my podcast player that I can play without
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being about Star Wars
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everything that I haven't listened to this week is about Star Wars and I've
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listened to everything else so you actually concerned about hearing stories
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suppose that means like otherwise you'd like whatever star respond with
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something I don't care I'm never going to say it was the greatest thing is you
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know all of you Star Wars fans have been trying so hard to avoid spoilers to go
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to ridiculous lanes I successfully avoided any split about the movie simply
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by just not really caring about the movie
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I don't put any effort into avoiding spoilers but I went into the theater
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today knowing nothing about being pleasantly surprised by everything in it
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yeah i i i would say I've been avoiding spoilers but I haven't been going to
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particular links to do so it's just if i seemed like a tweet fly by the looks
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like it might be spoiler spoiler and then I'll just skip over it and I
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haven't been reading reviews or anything like that I'd ask friends that have seen
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it do you like it and that's all I've asked and you've got me some hints as to
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the quality of the movie but I've not seen it I'm hoping the air and I will be
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able to see it maybe even tomorrow actually but but I'm still avoiding
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spoilers and I think my time is running out because I think the Internet is
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kinda collectively decided from what I can tell that shortly after Christmas
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all bets are off in and everyone's going to talk about everything and that's
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that's part of why I went to see it because I'm fine ignoring major cultural
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events I've never seen any of Lord of the Rings never seen Harry Potter never
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seen Twilight anything like it looks like the big movie franchises have
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either never seen or seen some along time ago and never again let me help you
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Lord of the Rings big waste of time
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Harry Potter's pretty good reverse that please e-mail John anyway so but this
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one this one felt very very important to my circles like more so than those other
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ones did and also I i have seen movies I I did enjoy them you know I am A Star
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Wars fandom is not like a massive star wars Star Wars fan in general so I did
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want to see it at some point I was planning on watching it when it came out
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the video maybe or something I get on Netflix when I figure like it is going
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to be talked about so much
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and it's so important you know in in the in the circles that I know I live in
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that I figured I kinda had to go see it in the theater I should have gone the
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plain states in retrospect the links you would go to to prevent yourself from
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writing any swift that should have been the opposite I mean you have gone
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through some serious mental gymnastics in order to get to the point that you
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can justify not writing swift I didn't say I'm never ready for the time saying
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no transcript yet but I do intend to learn it probably when 3.0 comes out
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next year because they're doing a bunch of big changes to lead up to that well
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you could just change your mind about it recently like in the past like oh I did
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you know that Pakistan was like I'm not gonna lie within the open source thing
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came out and turned around so you're trying to do so but the real tell us
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that the fact that we're talking about star wars and that prompted you to do
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the crystal I think so I mean I already had the list I mean I knew you played
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journey and other ones are easy so I was just down to the swept in the Star Wars
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it just seems so crazy viewed actually the house and go to a movie theater to
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Pinterest thing didn't you didn't have any possible to Pinterest thing I know I
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know you to purchase and you know how do you know everybody here puppies
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that's right she did yes I I joined a bit I started to Pinterest account so I
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could collect pictures of puppies watches and things I want to buy for the
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house like pipe heating rap and the Icicle melting zigzag wired you put on
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the roof exciting stuff if you find good good pipe wrap whatever you wanna call
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it tell me because I have stuff around my business stuff you put around the
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pipes to keep the heat from Chris leaking out into the areas where the
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pipes goes right
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know it's it's too late to print them from freezing if you have a pipe in an
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uncertain space so it's like we have on the garage from forever ago its ancient
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you know two conductor cable too just like a heat wire that wraps in a coil
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around a pipe that runs through our garage is insulated said I could freeze
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that it has burned out and no longer heats so I'm looking at new solution to
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that and they're all basically scaring me into either not doing it or having
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electrician do it because in all basically says that these things are
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insanely dangerous and you will start fires and they all require insulation
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around the pipe and everything and yes I'm probably gonna actually outsources
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job but we will see
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living in the northeast is the best because you have to worry about BS like
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this winter
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not right but what you have really is is months of depressing evil terrible
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winter light season whereas I have this brief rest bit from from wonderful
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weather with slightly less wonderful weather and then it's back to wonderful
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weather again so you can you continue being smug up there and your when your
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tundra and how that works out it was wonderful there we went there in July I
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was I was really wonderful whether you had there was one such it was very hard
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when you get here even for us it was extremely hot also order to test this
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week that's the big week for you I killed the web fun on your website which
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by the way I don't really agree with I think that whatever font you have going
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not making me happy no i i don't think I found a solution that I am experimenting
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with Google web font and might lead to a different web font because the the
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service I was using the the heifer and Co
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their ideals and found them in a few benchmarks done by people have shown
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that typically their web surfing is not as fast as type kid or some of the other
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big web services and not as fast as as self hosting and stuff and they don't
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allow cell hosting they become a weird thing where they you have to go through
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their CDN but then it redirects to the font files on your server with no cache
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headers so that your meeting with clients make two requests one of them is
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going back to your slow server and not to their CDN to actually get the big
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files you know the big like 300 kilobytes where the files and no reason
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they're really good I really like this one fight they have a very nice funds
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over there but I'm going to look at other options now because they just it
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was just too slowly if you look at the time with the network timeline in the
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women's better time to taking during this page it's just insane and you could
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argue and I've heard many counter arguments for why i shouldn't worry
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about the speed of my website loading most of it down to either that I should
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like a secluded and then either pop it in or save it for the next load and put
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it on the next load both of those I think so because they are good options
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just for you know user experience was like why why would I want to do either
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of this you know the other answer was why do you care it's just a blog it
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doesn't matter how quickly it looks and that's BS because not only does it
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matter quite a bit how quickly pages load to whether people complete the
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loads but we're talking about loading a 300 kilobyte resource that requires two
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requests to be made before the patient even begin to look this is like in the
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head on mobile and when you have bad connections and everything that does
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matter that really does add up to a significant delay we're loading a page
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when you better big image because I can load after the pictures when you're on a
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mobile connection that really matters and it turns out that my traffic like
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everyone's traffic is mostly mobile these days and you have to think about
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that when you're a blogger or any kind of content site especially a tech
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content site read by tech people you're gonna see a large portion of traffic on
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mobile many of those people will be on cellular at the time they're loading it
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yes it would be nice if I didn't have you know
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refunds on my site but also be nice if my page loads very quickly so I think I
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have to balance those things I think maybe doing typed it might be a little
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bit better because it's just a faster web host may be doing self hosting would
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be a little bit faster because then you know it could become the connections
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little bit better than going off to a different host so we'll see I'm gonna
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believe what led you to do all this because no disrespect intended it seemed
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to me that you've kind of another abandoned but avoided writing posts for
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a while now I mean you'll you'll read your post to this show to under the
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radar but I haven't seen a whole lot of real writing from you in a while outside
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of you know when you had headphones or podcast Mike so what have you so what
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what inspired you to just start paying attention again I was inspired by being
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forced by Dropbox right right right basically I use a Dropbox BlogEngine
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never hurt nobody else could you please don't use it it it's it's terrible but I
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like it's good for me and the they they ended support for the version that was
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probably ancient the the Linux class
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that I was using for Dropbox on my ancient server running its ancient
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distribution of CentOS I think 5.5 or something so it was running an old stack
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an old version of their thing and I couldn't update it without upgrading
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some pretty big things like lives see and hear what he was basically saying on
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the internet never agree Lipsy on a Linux system if you can help it it's
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kind of a problem so I migrated to my whole blog to a new server also I I love
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every Linux is basically like yeah rock-solid runs forever it's great but
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you want to upgrade it forget it please don't do this you really shouldn't do
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this you should never have great a Linux server but you know like never ever the
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distribution that they all say that like don't do that the solution to upgrading
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a Linux server is to abandon it and make a new one so that is what I did it so I
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was already like in their mucking around with the guts of it and setting up
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everything new and clean so I figured while I'm here let me also take this
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opportunity to modernize its so so I switched over to https and everything is
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now a CBS I dropped the WWW prefix you know all this fun stuff to modernize the
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side so part of that was let me I'm thinking about dropping a while it was
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actually about to get bills annually and it was about to bill me again hundred
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and sixty bucks only know maybe this is a good time to reconsider whether I want
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to keep using those funds let me try without it all that being said you are
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right I have barely written anything on the site of any consequence in a long
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time in months really and you know part of that was the last time I wrote stuff
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right and don't publish it that's one way to do it or like a private email
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list or something like that that might be a good idea I'm not sure if it would
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ability for people to improve you in in constructive ways and I think that would
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think it's now just chrome nevermind
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gonna complain that the new fund your chosen apparently didn't have a good
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for the cloud icon the EU's next the streaming heading in the overcast to
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post but it's it's a black lab looks like a little tired but it's just
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nevermind carry on I don't understand why everyone loves cum so damn much
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close to sealing successfully so they've got that going for ya well see I turned
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off her name but she may have found somebody had found a way to do a
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defaults write for Tweetbot which I know is not use John but to do it defaults
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write to just direct to the actual URL instead of a Chico linked quarter were
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calling them and then that that made everything a million percent better and
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all of the issues that so many people seem to have a safari I genuinely like
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never run into them but you haven't got the one the new one in capitan where the
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the entirety of the window chrome becomes inert like you can't put the
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insertion point the address bar you can't click the window with just you
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can't look in the toolbar buttons you can't use the scroll bar got that one
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twice a week now no but remember that I have a scene amount of taps open I don't
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have 3,000 windows and 4,500 taps to browser windows open then
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a piece of crap I'm sure they're saying that for a reason but darned if I know
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why because my experience does not match with that I just I don't think that
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chrome is bad outside of the piss-poor
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just awful emoji support I don't think from is bad I don't I don't feel like it
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brings anything to the table that I care about and again I'm sure that you know
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they're all sorts of chrome like die hard chrome plans that are firing up
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email clients right now they're not the reason gmail is exactly probably using
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Gmail to rate me some sort of nasty gram but the things that chrome did better
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than than Safari and maybe that's true I'm not saying that they're wrong but in
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run both are you so far as my primary I used to use from Nice to like use one at
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sometimes so far is great for a while sometimes Safari gets slower buggy or
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in Delhi and tell us about something that is awesome
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that was like right after recording this week's podcast like 11 news they're
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gonna dump at the end of the year the news was a fairly tame a reorg where
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sheler got control of the App Store stuff the absence of that used to be
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under attack you and if you still has like the whole media thing and music and
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all that stuff I think and they named what's-his-name Jeff Williams COO but he
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was already doing that and not a lot of exciting things they're but the thing
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that developers got excited about is the moving of any apps to responsibilities
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from one person to another and I guess people are getting hopeful just because
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hey it's a change and things are bad now the change has the potential to be good
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start he's just getting the rest of the App Store and so a preview is one of the
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things that developers complain about a lot and Phil show her always had that so
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been disgruntled about a preview stuff that's the shelter and now he's got the
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rest of the hope is I guess that those shows organization like will improve the
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tech parts of it better like make iTunes Connect nice area and let developers use
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test flight and fix the Mac App Store sandboxing people so people can actually
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test their absence and box like that's the hope that any cues seem to not be
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able to roll out be the features like the software and server-based features
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for developers as quickly as developers wanted and it somehow Phil show would do
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better I have no idea if that is the case but I have to admit I'm also
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slightly optimistic just because things have been kind of not grade limping
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along for a long time and I like to see some kind of shake up even if it's like
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the world's most minor shake-up so yeah I mean just to fill out what you said
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different divisions in the company there the engineering division undercut the
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developer relations division which is under Phil Schiller division under
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marketing and that that does the BBC that the you know the developer program
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store division and the editorial part of it that has been under attack you in the
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involved the store apps themselves so that it to hell is under three different
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divisions you could you could always tell the pastor there has been some kind
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of like miscommunication or fortune in the past so for example you would have
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weird miscommunications or disagreement between the divisions that have caused
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some friction or sumn sumn you know clumsiness and passed the engineering
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that makes sense but the developer relations and the App Store is now
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together under Phil and interestingly as as a friend Ben Thompson pointed out on
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trajectory think this was one of the Private Members Only things but if not
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linked to it a lot of people are paying attention to the fact that actually that
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that's that's like advertising stuff right beats me I know nothing about that
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stuff anyway that used to be under Phil and now they announced the new hire
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whose name I forgot I'm sorry the new hire is now taking over marketing
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communications from Phil and reporting directly to Tim Cook so this this stuff
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has been removed from Phils played peers and then phil has gained the app stores
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you know internally that there's obviously a lot of
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implementation details here that we don't know like the big 12 me is how do
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you separate the app stores from the back end that they run on which is all
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presumably still under eight accused of it there's some weirdness there I would
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imagine but high level it it certainly appears that phil has lost his
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responsibilities of running the like advertising part of it and Dean the
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responsibility of running the app stores whatever that includes because he
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see meaningful change the App Store Policies any kind of rule that you can't
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do now and you kind of controversy over a preview I wouldn't even expect
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improvements to a preview on the Mac App Store having this occasionally very long
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review times I hope they fix that that's that's just messed up that's been it's
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embarrassing and that's obviously not the way it's supposed to work to have
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your absentee review for a month but you know when it is working like an iOS when
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major changes to that system the system of a preview as we know it today that is
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here to stay for a long time because the person who is at the very top of the
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organization just took control the entire App Store
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obviously they're not looking to change that but the things that I think that
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I'm optimistic about here are the first of all a great read on Phil but the more
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that I that I know of him or the more that I hear him talk about hear stories
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about him the more I think I think I I like him like I think he has
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sensibilities that one up with mine more so than most of the other high up Apple
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executives and and more so that are in the interest of the old apple and I come
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to some good and some bad that's why a preview of things going anywhere because
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that you know it's like the old school Apple but overall this is a good thing
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if for nothing else because as you said John it is a sign of of a of a pretty
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big cheese and if you look at like things that stagnant or have problems in
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division that is clearly a place where they have had a lot of problems in the
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past and I i we keep hearing they're doing that they're getting better
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some of things are doing are better like the new cloud kids stuff the new photo
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doing this apache besos thing and and now we're probably works with Linux is
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going and we're seeing lots of lots of like rumblings that the department is
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getting better and some evidence that is coming out to the consumers but even if
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they start doing really well they also seem dramatically overloaded and and
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they seem like they have a lot of trouble making progress on multiple
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fronts the App Store has basically done nothing like it in the App Store has
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gone almost nowhere has improved very little has changed very little since its
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sign that they are finally going to change the after they're finally going
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to improve it to start making meaningful changes and again I don't think it's
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gonna be in regards to a preview I think we're stuck with that for a long time
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like you know if you want upgrade pricing or trials that's the kind of
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place you know this is the kind of change that would happen if you want
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improvements to the max
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App Store or better how I mean if you look at the health of the App Store's
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pretty much all the mix up the iPhone 18 help like they're not in great shape the
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some improvement all of that now is kind of we have we have a renewed hope the
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substantial sounding move I have high hopes for that especially to be under
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Phil he cares a lot about the Mac about the product quality and they wouldn't
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have moved this for no reason there is nothing pressuring them to move it there
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was no like there is no reason they had to do this so they clearly want to do
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this and it has to have been this this move has to happen for a good reason
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why things are happening inside applicants obviously the press release
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company that I work for when they have shuttle people around and the only real
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underlying thing other than stuff you don't know about the information you
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don't have like roanoke like maybe someone you know is going to retire soon
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something they want out of some subdivision of the company they've let
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that slide for a while but eventually it's like I've been I wanted acts for
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two years now and this person hasn't delivered it it's time to give another
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person who can sometimes there's the you know give the really hard job to this
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one executive who's great for you know doing tackling tough problems and that
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person bounces around like the problem solver the fixer the do you know like
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the call so horrendous acts Casey out some of your reference you don't get it
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is definitely affects their anyway it could be that but I get away it's like
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someone is not getting what they want out of insert and it could be a summer
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not getting what they want added marcom and that's why a new guys to come in to
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take it is someone not getting what they want the app so we don't know because it
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could be say it's a the marking something stag
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you know Apple's marketing messages in evolving and for a while we wanted to
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change until doesn't seem capable to get out of the rut so what we're gonna do is
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we're going to bring in someone new
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they're gonna take over the marketing communication but since no such an
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important person you can't take away that from him without giving them
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something else and I need a lot of salsa given over to him alright that's one
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plausible scenario another one is the one the world languages like ed four
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years we wanted access of you know this outdoor stuff has been happening so
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we're gonna take that away from you and give it to somebody who is more we think
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is going to do a better job I don't know the person is gonna do a better job of
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that be like there's just so much we don't know but the bottom line is these
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things don't happen without a substantial reason because top
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executives hate having responsibility taken away from them it's not a demotion
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but it's seen as like you know so don't show her is not really you know he got a
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bunch of response was taken away but he took the mantle something else I feel
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like this is you know in the political org chart of Apple's little bit of a
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downer and EQ and a little bit of an upper sideways heroin phyllis was the
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way it feels to me from the outside and when I think about is you know there is
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corrected a little bit little bit down aromatic you what what is it that top
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executives might have wanted that they weren't getting out of it and that's
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makes me think of the success Heights problem things we're in the beginning
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but he had the iTunes Store and the App Store and everything was going
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gangbusters hey the App Store is super popular everybody loves apps they're
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installing stuff in like every year every quarter he you know at every
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meeting and he could be a look at these crazy numbers look how many apps we have
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look how many people had ellen's up look how many developers are signed up like
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every metric that he could possibly every charge to put up every number
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numbers that the day level off it's like yeah yeah we heard lots about someone
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ever bought this hearing about you know developers don't like this or it's hard
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to search in the store or just been but this company to redo the store but it
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kinda looks the same and people don't think it's that much better and just
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just from regulated like you don't have to be plugged into this community just
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Tim Cook to go to the App Store his own phone to try to find something and
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notice that their problems and bring that up two years ago they did you in a
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bit like oh you know we'll take care of that no work on this organized into
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seven points like it doesn't you know again things that things that someone
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who's not plugged into the Daubert you can adjust Tim Cook on his own phone
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keep using the app store your bike you know doesn't seem like regardless of
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whether I think this is good or not your number the greater reliability is great
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you make a lot of money or whatever it just doesn't seem like it has gotten
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that much better over the past several years so maybe it's time for a change
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now this could all be delusions based on our perspective as outsiders and people
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who know a lot of developers it could be something entirely unrelated but to me
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that's a plausible scenario that that that that he was Coast thing but that
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like when when you're on the fun part of the hockey stick it can hide a lot of
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stuff in a certain point lol off or that stuff becomes old hat and you need like
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what have you done for me lately you know what what have you done to the App
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Store lately cuz the complaints are there and the feedback is there and you
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know people leaving the Mac App Store and longer view times I don't have the
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time involved that into you know like features and iTunes Connect and just it
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just seems like at this point no matter how distant be removed from the
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developer community can do it market just said and say look at what the
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upstart was like five years ago and look at what it's like now and think is that
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five years with the progress in the App Store and you just have to say no and so
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that's why that feels like the strongest reason why there might be a shake-up
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related to the App Store regardless of what you think it was just that it's
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just not progressing in advancing the way you would hope it would also like
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you know i i think as as I mentioned last episode I think you can look at
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their their recent product launches the watch the Apple TV and the iPad pro in
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all three of those cases you can very clearly point to the at ecosystem and
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the app stores themselves as holding these products back significantly the
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the TV app store is frankly embarrassing
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there's so little in it it is so hard to use it is so hard to find anything
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there's no like there's no like Public Links for TV apps you can't if you hear
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about like like that land to came out this past week or something I want to
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get it on my TV or these find out if it was available on Apple TV I could not
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find information out anywhere except going over walking over the TV and
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typing poorly planned to into that horrible text entry field and finding
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nothing and I wasn't sure like is just bad right now or is it really not here
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and it turns out of the TV I hadn't been out for the TV I would have no computer
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or my phone or any other device to have clicked by this inhabitable my TV there
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there are simple things like this where the stores were not helping
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it's it's really hinder things not to mention the way bigger challenge of like
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developer economics and and making it worth developing for these platforms
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which is a whole separate discussion but is related to this who's in charge of
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that site who agree I just to give you an example upgrade pricing like
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developers and wanted to go to prison for a long time
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who of all the people
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top execs me know and Apple are the people saying no to upgrade pricing and
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are they still in charge of that decision
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well I think it was kind of a combo mean that kind of thing before would have
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been like 80 if you look at the app review rules there are many interviewed
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rules related to pricing and what you what you're allowed to do with your
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pricing and what you're not what has to be free what has to do not break or not
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have limits on her ever so a lot of that isn't a preview but that any anything
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related to things like a great president would have had to be implemented by any
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Q's division so that kind of thing
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spanned both divisions and I think that's one of the reasons why you seen
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so little change it
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of that type because it wouldn't it would have involved these two divisions
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working together which was probably problematic or at least of these
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burdensome be implemented bundles which is like seems like so much more
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complicated the upgrade price I mean they did then that purchase and they did
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bundles to features that are fair
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complicated so it seems like when whoever is the head of the snake want to
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change to the economics we want to make bundles possible we want them to make
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in-app purchase possible that's going to involve your team ready cuz you gotta
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handle the bundle and the pricing whenever an in-app purchase gonna be
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like a backend that we're going to talk to whatever but it just seemed to me
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that those efforts weren't coming from any cute and I'm just wondering who you
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know I upgrade pricing and it happened in terms of the economic issues somebody
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is setting the policy if you like or dislike Apple still if somebody high
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enough up said you know what we're going to do operate price it would happen like
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regardless of who's in charge of implementing it made you a peek ready
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and maybe like the interface for an iTunes Connect would be bad baby buggy
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to begin with it may be difficult for developers to test all the things you
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can blame on any cure whatever but like I just always wonder where the decision
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is made like to have a meeting where they should be revisited upgrade price
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does it never come up like today decide once back when Steve Jobs is still alive
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that upgrade pricing is good for developers of bed for users in this
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endeavor revisit that decision despite you know but how the iPad pro may change
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that equation or whatever you have to also look at how important is this thing
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is very important to us how important is this relative to the division it's in
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the company it's in you know and and so relative to all Apple as a whole I don't
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know how important they consider things like the App Store and developer
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happiness with the App Store everything else I don't know senator sherry faxes
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like why aren't more people buying iPad pros why are people leaving the Mac App
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Store why are all these awesome apps that we know it's possible to build
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appearing on the iPad prob wise Adobe not making a full version of Photoshop
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for the upper leg all sorts of questions about why aren't people taking advantage
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or + 21 is that we haven't sold any hardware but it's kind of a chicken egg
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situation other answers what is it about specialist advice should I pro like what
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is it about our platforms that you know we all know the answers that lends
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itself to applications and a bunch of people right and support what they can
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still make money and then abandoned like there is no sort of ten-year twenty-year
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application because you can't get any more revenue from them unless it's like
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it and in-app purchase type of thing where you're constantly you know people
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currency or whatever you know like other than those model like why why is there
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no model for sort of professional applications that people buy on a
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regular basis I guess they do subscriptions but then you know we all
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know what the the the App Store policies are there that didn't make it difficult
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to have a sustainable high-end software package that continually its upgraded on
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Apple's iOS platform that is because all the tools people are used to either
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don't exist or have a 30 percent taxes just mostly untenable like Adobe loves
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their subscription revenue aw would love subscription revenue a lot less
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available to 30% and I mean there have been so mean I there have been so many
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unimplemented or lost or cancelled ideas and services and products because i
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three percent I mean that is not a small number that that is a number that that
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makes or breaks people's business models and a lot of cases going back to ABQ for
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his division like if you look at what else that division had to do you know
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while the actor was under them that's all of iCloud that's all of Siri that is
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all of these stores at other stores in music stores that Apple music streaming
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television planet still hasn't happened right and it's and it's it's all the
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content deals its negotiating and dealing with his content companies also
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and Apple has not done well in that area recently and and I don't know if this is
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just you know you doing his job badly I probably not as far more complicated
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than that now it's not like people have apples number now they have the first
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home is easy like it like it and people learn that lesson from iTunes and was
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like no intention of giving our business Amazon to check your power Apple so now
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it's it's much harder to go because you know Apple doesn't want to come out with
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a plan as far as I know nobody has a plan that is a convincing replacement
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for quarter for real television at this point Apple wants to be the first so
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they're gonna have to be the ones to explain to the big networks and
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everybody just trust us this this fungus empower you and you won't lose your
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shirt on this deal but you have to bring the price down because no one's going to
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buy it if it costs as much as cable but isn't as good as cable which it won't
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because they're stupid Apple TV box isn't that good
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and it's like this thing we're like the same last week about how Apple doesn't
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really seem to know how to be in a negotiating position of not just
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absolute power I think that you know I was less because talking about
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developers but this week you know i think is very equally to the content
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problems
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content deals only one willing to say here that in this negotiation between
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Apple and television networks I'm willing to put money that the television
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people are being more reasonable than Apple like they've been every time like
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les Moonves makes it a public statement I feel like I don't envy an enviable
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trying to negotiate with these guys because I think that they don't get it
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Apple is trying to explain to them so I really like it's hard to fault Apple
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these things maybe they are being a little bit stubborn but but she's there
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they're trying to pull in industries head out of the sand and it's it's slow
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going and that's fair but that industry i think is still doing really well
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without Apple and the dynamic is different one of the reasons Apple was
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able to have so much power in music and get some great deals for music is
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a palatable should have Netflix but wasn't like a Netflix got their first
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what happened to everybody who who basically lost power nap on that was
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like no we're not doing that against every other industry from e-books
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differently and find another way
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we're going to make your own streaming apps and we're gonna make deals with
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world like it and I do wonder like I don't know anything about it and I see
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the guys they talk a big fan of button his shirt yeah but I was wondering like
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what his core skills that is like he's not an engineer at a tax programmer
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that he has a reputation of like being the fixer getting things done but I
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developed problems I mean I think all things associated with like test flight
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integration and you know the process visibility into the app review process
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and the ability to contact the Human about your thing and yeah yeah but like
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yeah I mean the problems of the App Store go way beyond like the iTunes
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Connect a web interface or so far beyond that and then that's good enough for
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what it does you know it's not great but it's fine it's like it's like the admin
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panel that ever that we all make for our websites like no one's admin panel is
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iTunes Connect is not nice but I don't need Phil Schiller to fix iTunes Connect
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you know we we need to fix a lot bigger problem than that
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NEQ got a bachelor's in computer science and economics from deep yeah I don't
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like I don't know I can get a read it was obviously at this level of doing
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anything you're telling people who are telling people are telling people to do
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things with just like its management just I'm trying to think like things
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that you do things that were put in a DQ this substantial improvements or they've
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gotten better or that you know like he's got a lot of sort of stars on as you
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know whatever you call them right
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like iTunes and the stores and the App Store especially in the initial part of
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lots of big important good numbers he put up there have been a lot of big
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bonuses and all of those years and you know everything looked good
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said it's like what have you done for me lately what what improvements you made
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to the system uses a system people gonna put out they can put them on stories we
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have multiple stores we have other things like but it just doesn't seem
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like it's progressing like we've all been hearing the exact same complaints
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from the developer side of it for so many years and so I said that aside
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because a lot of people who cares but developers I don't care by developers
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Apple should I care about users you know uses you come back above developers I
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think that's right users do come about developer censured because there are
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many many more of them but it's it's related because like I was using you
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won't be like I don't care what developers think about pressure on the
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wisest thing that I downloaded the throw afternoons ever gonna support that
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doesn't work but but like I'm saying set that aside for a second just totally
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believe in an important to set it aside I really do feel that from the user's
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perspective the App Store as experienced by the user just talked about a mark on
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the App Store as experienced by users of Apple TV or you know just as a user
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going to the App Store finding stuff feeling feeling good and comment about
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the things that you find there I i think that is has not progressed and the sort
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of cess pit stop it
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have gotten deeper and more dangerous the suspects of free-to-play you know
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all those mechanics and taking money from people and the cesspit of at this
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point sort of single use unsupported applications that are clogging up your
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search results and make it much harder to find the one or two good at some
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things like they always brag about how many apps they have once that number got
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like six or seven digits it stops being a plus or minus I don't want ten million
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applications I don't want one million applications even 200,000 applications
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like seriously you know those all can't be winners
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there's a lot of so should reject more things from the store whatever but like
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at a certain point the number of applications you have becomes a problem
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to solve nothing to brag about their problems are solved is you know Amazon
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Amazon you know because they review system is better than Apple's because
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they're people like this like that as a little bit better you know like all the
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parts that have to do with dealing with lots of products and presenting it to
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users that part of the experience of being a user of Apple products has you
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know again because we think it just hasn't gotten a much better in years and
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years and years and so that that is an area I feel like no matter what you
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think about you have to say we are not progressing fast enough I turn off
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competitors are nipping at their heels or whatever but if you can make that
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experience better as the show but the answer to begin with you can make that
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experience better that can do really big things for your bottom line and your
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customers that interview developer satisfaction
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letting developers be able to respond to reviews or contact people anonymously r
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like it just does it that's low hanging fruit is not even that big a deal and
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yeah well that's you know we can't do that just came out it's been years like
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one give you one of those a year for five years and it would make a much
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bigger and I know they did things that is mentioned the bundles and in-app
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purchases arguably are an important thing in subscriptions and opening the
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stuff that used to be used and only up like they have done some things but it
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just it just feels like stagnation and i dont i dont feel good doing it after
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these days I know exactly where I'm going and if I can't get a direct link
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afforded have you guys seen this no of course not I did but about football
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pushed it off the end of my TV episode was arrested on on CBS is there whatever
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never good as their terrible website to maybe watch market but I didn't see what
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I can do that I can go to their tireless if you stupid football pushes the show
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out and your TV doesn't correctly just because stupid football ran long not
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enough time for TiVo to get updated guide information then you can watch as
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much as you can you TiVo and then I just always assume I can go to the website of
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the television show on my stress it and then behold I could as long as I was
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willing to watch like seventeen of the same commercial before I could move the
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little play head up to the point where I left off so anything about football
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can take the speed I'm not gonna take this page is not based on their TV
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schedule isn't their TV schedule I feel like a football runs long it should
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switch to the football football overflow channel anyway I'm still so the feature
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I it is worth watching although I don't think any revelations came from it
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like this is the best part of it let's assume that it was so what happens now
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was a different MacBook in the background now what happens nothing
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happens it looks like it open to close it has a screen and a keyboard can you
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buy one do you know what's in it
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no point less do you know what they're doing like look I like is coming out in
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the spring / winter / summer / God knows when it's coming out soon become to the
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huge power savings the retina MacBook Pro design is gonna be about four years
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old but I'ma comes out there gonna take advantage of this kind of the power
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savings and they're going to make the stupid thing thinner and it's going to
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be fine I'm gonna complain about the keyboard in the battery life in the
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first extract that on buying one and they're going to be the same as we have
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now but thinner and cool looking at maybe in space crinkled or not or or or
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they can have amazing features that but not be visible on the screen looks like
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a laptop I just like you know like I will agree right now that that was a
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brand-new under these products in the background and now what happens that we
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just sit here and smile I gotta understand anyway john Kasay interrupted
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Riccio saying and I'm gonna put it in front of me even a tenth of a millimeter
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of thickness is sacred to us and this was with regard to the MacBook one but
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probably pretty telling about a whole set it to you about these sorts of
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things in general so that's the thing that's the thing that we've been
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lamenting for a while I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that there
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question was something about like did you feel like that Apple could become
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complacent insular something like that
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his answer was basically like I like all the things they say these are answers
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that anyone who follows Apple's heard before
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just repeated contacts and it was the giant have answer from polio which
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averaged I believe that you like BS this is the same question is a million times
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like every you know any famous person has to and his answer to this one is but
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not really looking at what we like we're not satisfied with what we do like so
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we're not gonna be like oh just set of you know leaned back in just a phone it
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in or whatever and we're not comparing ourselves to what else is out there and
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other people's products we compare ourselves to is always this ideal this
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perfection that we have in our own minds over chasing chasing perfection our own
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you know intrinsic motivation the ideal that we have in our mind and that's what
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we're chasing and I believe that because it shows in their products that seemed
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to have that seem to be chasing some ideal that it has had their minds and
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don't involve certainly too many looks at what other people are doing which is
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fine but also maybe not too many looks at how people use these things in the
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real world you know like his answer makes sense but it hinges entirely on
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what is that ideal you're chasing in as articulated through many white
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not designed it shouldn't you know it shouldn't be designed for designed sake
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simplicity and symmetry and purity and beauty and it can be argued that those
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things and it can be argued that those things have a psychological effect on
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the user's our products that it benefits that bob line but there are practical
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considerations as well and the balance between chasing that ideal that that
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again may be beneficial the company but may not be better for the product and
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also doing things you kind of have to do whether it's more reliable stream really
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fun cables or you know or more grippy services for things or you know like
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nothing better than all the stuff I haven't seen a lot of interviews where
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that balance has been brought up a really pursued and I'm not expecting I
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can sixty Minutes interview you know basically it's going to be people you
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questions they've been asked two thousand times you've seen the BSA's
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questions about times and you know if there is going to be because you've
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heard them give the same answer thousand times and they they died at each one of
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them like labor practices parking money overseas popularity of products secrecy
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they you know you got to come in the lab to the table draped with stuff you get
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to see are milling machine running and whatever you know you can peek at it in
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that way and it's interesting to see that people give the same answers and
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see if they change but what I always wanted to know what we all want is
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people who are on our listeners program is deeper questions like so I think
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group interview with shelter pursued this a little bit on the whole figure
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but he was talking about then maybe was also talking about battery life or maybe
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with developer license then they would you like to pursue to have follow-ups to
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knows about the the balance between
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you know practical features I'm sure all the engineering people manufacturers
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telling them practically speaking you do this music now can we figure out a way
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to do this like that that's what I was talking about you know fractions of
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millimeters there is a tension between what can be done what is able to be
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manufactured one of the economical what is beautiful what is our economic is
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there something it's both beautiful and ergonomic and obvious and durable and
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stays beautiful for a long time like this this is that's what design is all
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I would love to hear an in-depth discussion Jony ive just about those
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tradeoffs about how he figures out where that balance is not in vague terms of
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getting into specifics because i think is the most interesting thing about
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secrecy type thing he doesn't give you a cute window into his mind but if you
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retired and I can get him on the spot kathy has been the entire show just like
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trying to figure out how they did that bounced and what factors do we not
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understand that are involved in this and are there problems that we see that he
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doesn't and other problems that he knows are issues that we never see it take for
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granted and that would be a much more interesting interview then loads on 60
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even lower than Star Wars or Star Wars that you people have been saying good
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things about it the people involved for good
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abrams you know George Lucas wasn't involved it seemed like your
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expectations should have been at least middle of the road
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well let's just say the last three Star Wars movies estaba not the best I know
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but there's the whole different set of maybe don't know but the whole route
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it's it's even bigger than the dq Phil Schiller thing all people out new people
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attention all that stuff I didn't expect much from it because the last few hours
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movies I've seen have been terrible effects that they didn't they didn't
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just shuffle things around a little bit
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complete change of hands new people in charge entirely everything on the
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internet comes back to these days that's what you have to say just go see
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tomorrow how are you the one who has it seems like it's somehow market has been
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to the new I don't understand what's going on today
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bizarro world it is bizarre it's a Christmas miracle
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this is our Christmas to tell me that hops on should have brought him he would
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have enjoyed it
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god no no we need we need a babysitter 'cause we have like a baby now we're all
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a cold and boring and no but you have family close by
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make this happen but you're kidding preschool actually the theater when I
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went to an Alamo Drafthouse we delete this account like hipster the
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interchange but I inadvertently booked a baby showing they did they do like baby
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ok showing they allow people to bring babies and if they cry lol
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not happy about this but it turned out at the matter there is like one big hole
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through the crowd like ones but it wouldn't matter but that might exist
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near you if you can find that that is the kind of thing you would have around
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that area around me now
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now there's no Alabama Drafthouse cinema near here at least an hour away
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welterweight look at look at me look at local theaters to see if they have any
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leak BB showings of movies I think some theaters are in to do that now I went to
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an art show was great what does that include as they only know you know
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people who are dressed up for people who think seriously about ever dressing up
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for people who could safely be friends with someone who dresses up very
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respectful there that's how I thought the only way to do it
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did they market it that way or is it just now but it just happens naturally
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we congregate I clearly am NOT a card-carrying nerd as I have no idea
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when that would be if you saw it on the 17th and especially if you saw it either
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the very first showing more like a ridiculously late showing the known sane
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person would ever go to your house at three and its fine arts is the best so I
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guess we're done talking about this
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60 minutes thing to be honest I have no I have nothing else to add I mean it was
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it was interesting to watch it's probably worth the twenty thirty minutes
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of your time assuming that you live in the united states I I saw something
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fly-by on Twitter that it's it's locked down to the USB cuz reasons but it is
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worth your time it don't expect anything monumental I also watched their what
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they called 60 minutes overtime segments which were not that particularly
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interesting or worthwhile the one thing I will say is that I was happy to see
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and clearance come out from the shadows
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they spoke to her a few times and I was very impressed with her I thought she
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was really really good which is what one would expect given that she was once the
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CEO they did have said there were there were some tidbits in there may be honest
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I know about this but one of the things they were shown like the model Apple
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Store like oh this is a test that our ideas for Apple there and there was one
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wall that had a bunch of foliage on it was very weird and I'm assuming no real
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Apple Store has that info have loved to see that like you know that travels are
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some ideas I would love to see that idea make it out of the model and be going to
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the Apple store and the like have one wall of the bunch of green vines hanging
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down and also the ones were like they had cases and you'd like the case was
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the poll on the thing lots of ideas there so that doesn't exhibit two
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seconds and the other reason to watch it that this will make you angry about 60
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minutes but interested in and seeing this as you get to see him go get fired
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up about keeping their money overseas and are stupid tax laws and labor
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practices and stuff it gets kind of angry sounds like a fun time to ask him
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some questions I always ask him and they don't like he probably game substantive
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he gave like very substantial thorough and answers to them
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we've heard him give those answers before I like an apple earnings calls
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and and the things he has four cycles and everything but in 60 minutes three
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sentences that they cut out of your big long comprehensive answer and there are
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three sentences man Tim Cook is the angriest and they don't explain anything
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in the move on to the next topic so it was really garbage from a perspective of
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like giving insight to anybody who doesn't know about these issues are you
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get the idea that we say this leading question
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angrily denies it I don't know what the truth is not a nation now it's time to
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ask about something else but it was interesting to see Tim Cook leaning
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forward in his chair and getting probably the most sort of worked up I
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never seen him
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you know public scenario that would have loved to have heard but Steve Jobs are
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said to the same things that he would have had a smirk more of a smart
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investing in earnest so either way there was no information like you couldn't
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draw any conclusions for now like Tim Cook I'm sure gave a good answer but
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sixty minutes just is not going to air it which is a real shame I would love to
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see you interview on 60 minutes John and it just seemed like how the heck they
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would at the guy feel I feel for those guys because they're getting interviewed
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you know half an hour 20 minutes 45 minutes to an hour and they're gonna
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take literally five sentences and that's what they're going to buy sentences five
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of the most dramatic sounding sentences with no surrounding context and is
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nothing you can do about you can explain yourself before you can explains that
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they're just gonna pull them out and that's what people are going to see in
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just like wow they even agree to it why would they agree to be at least they
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have no control over what the sentences are I don't like it
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this is honestly this is why I haven't rushed to watch it because I figured
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like you know TV interviews are so low density he'd like there's so little
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content in them there's so much padding and time-wasting in them there's no
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smart speed it's also loadin sorry there is a my Tivo oh yeah of course there is
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and the and the cream and everything that they have $15 will get you a razor
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these are not double-edge safety blade these are the full of razor blade
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thing and it's called up there and it has a lot of X Apple people in it and
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about up there were transferred later used to be in charge of Apple software
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stuff and sergeant like I was 10 and everything back for those IOUs and even
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over after he retired from Apple while ago that's when Craig victory took over
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basically and he disappeared to go on vacation and do whatever you wanna do
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but pretty quickly after you left Apple there were rumblings like Oh
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what's per trans next thing I guess you never really leave I guess we're just
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leaving become like I don't know a venture capitalist or support other
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technology things anyway they called the rumor was that he was involved in some
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kind of start up and they were doing something having to do with computers
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and that's all anybody knew about it I didn't pay too much attention for health
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services some point did service couple months back with this company called up
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there and when I went to their website at first it was like pretty impenetrable
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cuz they say you know if you have a cloud but translation on your web
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browser like a lot of what's going on here was doing some cloud and their
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computers and it's like how what is different about this company seem like
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they were saying they were going to store a bunch of stuff on their servers
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so you wouldn't have to start on yours
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honestly I have looked at this it's been the show notes for like two months I've
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looked at this every so often before the show and I cannot figure out what it is
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and why why do care about it and like the court upheld from the CEO was not be
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translated by the way is just one of the founders but to see roger tamraz's we
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like the way to backup to vanish from dictionary we built a consumer cloud
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from the ground up oh here we go we questioned everything literally
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experiment a lot of the cloud to be the primary place for your data this summer
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that the whole idea is like it's kind of like a Chromebook you know back up a
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Chromebook basis nothing on it that isn't already owns your Google service
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right up there the whole idea is don't worry about what's on your phone or on
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your Mac or wherever you want to be that's that's just like a local cash
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that's not where the toughest check your phone into the ocean
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who cares there was nothing on it anyway you're fine all your stuff is up there
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in the cloud and the like from the second quarters we experimented a lot
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they've been in stealth mode as they say for a long time so who knows what
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they've been doing behind the scenes but they do have a beta program and I'm on
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the beta and
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its public pay-per-view sign up for it I don't you know and they have a couple
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applications Mac application and as an iOS application of the ones I use them
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and it's like there were loud bang sign up they already have two factor
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authentication error that was really nice out of the gate because if you're
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gonna be a cloud thing I can add that I can your fifth year something is
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important to have it now and then I want you to put stuff into the crowd and they
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have like an easy button press it's like hey do you want to put your photos liver
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into the crowd and it's my photos library now like the family once a month
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or is likely only has like 10,000 Photo Center something like sure to go take
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those you know like I mean a lot of this going on just trusting Bergeron
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certainly not lady company or whatever and drag files into it whatever just
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whatever funds I told to pull my photos library just let it do its thing
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eventually uploaded my photos library and on the iOS application I can go and
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I can browse through all my photos in iPhoto library in like ten thousand or
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so there was some weirdness in that phone totally sink like uploaded them
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from my Mac and then to get the phone totally saying there was the best way to
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do it was to have the phone in the application launches like an option that
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says don't don't let your phone go to sleep when applications in the
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foreground because he gets up loads better faster when the application is
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running in the foreground I know that was an option but apparently it is it
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anyway they got everything uploaded there they have a camera application as
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well which is kind of getting more into have a source to work it's a camera for
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your phone and you launch this application instead of luck in nineteen
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Apple's camera application you take pictures but instead of the pictures
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going on to your phone the pictures go directly into the cloud and if it's
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there is you'll never feel your phone with pictures you know that's that's a
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real thing that a lot of people have smartphones do is they take pictures
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take pictures take pictures and they thought their phone and I was storage
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management is such that there is not a real easy way out of that without you
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need to have an iPod photo library
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that turned on do you have a Mac and you know that their thing is never gonna
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throw your phone because we don't put the pictures on your phone you take
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pictures and we need to upload them now obviously everything that up there is
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predicated on you having a network connection like a network connection
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being somewhat reliable and somewhat you know having a reasonable amount of
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bandwidth so its authority looking play where the future is not going to be
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doing stuff local anything how to sync it the future is going to be pushing
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everything up that that's a pretty safe bet what it all comes down to that with
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us that that's why everyone hears about this entry through website and thinks
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that it's like whatever you're like uploading stuff to a server somewhere
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who cares what it all comes down to his execution how well does uploads doctors
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think ever get stuck does can access go through all 10,000 I pictures how long
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does it take for the thumbnail slowed and I don't know what exactly they're
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doing tech wise because the website is not eliminating I would imagine since
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they've been still thought a really long time but they're trying to do is come up
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with a better interface then like the application uses posits a pas de deux
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synchronous io to your local disk and then some demon process wonders the file
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system and like Dropbox or whatever and finds things and opens an HDB connection
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and shoves the files wanted time to our servers like that's the old way of doing
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things I don't know if they're doing exactly that or if they are you know I'm
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imagining sorry is it more interesting abstractions where instead of going
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intelligent things like better support for streaming and batching of multiple
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things and like you know handling failures better and being a synchronous
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multiple connections and handling like that's what I'm imagining is behind the
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scenes but the bottom line is it uploaded all my pictures and when I
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scroll through them I can scroll through all of them and the thumbnails load and
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you know pretty fast and when you go to the IRS usage screen to see how much
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disk space the up their obligations taking up it's like nothing like 90
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Megabus so I think it really is streaming all the stuff in real time
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from the cloud as they say
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and like the picture on their website is storing our entire digital lives photos
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videos music and documents in a single place that it's always accessible
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growing evolving ready to share their sharing stuff is in better than Apple
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already there that you can make like something called loop we can have
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multiple people putting their foes into a single bucket right and so you know
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you could do that
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family photo library where the whole family could have camera applications
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every picture they take to go into one giant shared thing people can contribute
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is like it just seems like a forward-looking way to do everything and
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is a Malaysian good just because they have 5 beta testers and all five of us
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our connection to their supermassive be terrible and as a million people could
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the scale to be the size of I kappa music or like a photo I have no idea all
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I know is that whatever the heck they're doing it's working and Apple should buy
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them because it's better than everything Apple is doing even though they're not
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going to upload pictures yes can I see them all guests can scroll through the
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store any files on my iPhone not as far as I can tell so it does what it says on
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the tin and it's pretty impressive I have been on the beta for like a week or
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two now because I didn't get a clear read on what the intention is for the
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app in fact you describing it as give me a much better understanding than than
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the very little bit of documentation I read I didn't know to make it seem like
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the Mac App it has some tabs on the left has flow which I guess is just kind of a
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good news feed sort of thing it has photos and videos music and documents
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presumably I'm supposed to start chucking things in these buckets but it
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was entirely clear to me what the long-term plays here and I understand
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that a lot better it seems to work well like you said I mean I'm not I haven't
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really tried much with it but there's plenty of stuff there and it certainly
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is streaming things from the cloud like you said very quickly so initial
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impressions by me were confusion but happy confusion of that if such a thing
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now that I've heard you talk about it I'm very interested to play with the iOS
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appetite never bothered to download maybe that's half my problem very
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interested to play with that and see how it goes but it wouldn't surprise me if
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this was in some ways just an acquisition play to see if Apple was
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feeling desperate to get away from web checks and and and hire a team that can
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that can solve this problem once and for all
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presumably like that it's a tech glad that it's not just that they've done
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like I said they did you exact same thing everyone else is doing just using
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HTTP connections with Tara libraries and doing local file i/o and just like you
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doing that slightly better than you know one percent better than everyone else it
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seems like the only reason this could ever be a startup is someone has some
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good ideas about how to abstract the file system on the network in a way that
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accounts for the modern world news not like backward-looking like it to some
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degree like even drop boxes that it's just a bunch of local files on desk and
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it is another process that watches and moves them up and down and I and i wanna
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talk about something else like surely it is not loading we just on the time
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surely it is you there
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chucking them up or streaming them down or like it's not making a new connection
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everyone definitely right house dealing with like the size of the thumbnails and
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Mike just and and how is it
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house keeping up with my scrolling and knowing which things it wants to to load
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and stuff like that and then right now the beta whatever like I'm not putting
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anything that nothing is only in my entire photo library they really smart
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save this one but impressive on to things like the only upload your photo
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library right i mean you don't use photos so you didn't see that but there
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wouldn't be useful to you but for me unlike fine go ahead because it's it's
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just reading from the photos library keep in sync with it and everything too
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and same thing when I wanna take photos with the regular Apple camera app it
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like a million other apps like member they did drop box camera operator will
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try to see when you take pictures with your photo app
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of those using it now as a toy to play with every once in awhile to see what
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the performance like trying to figure out what the what the heck they're
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actually doing behind the scenes and yet another free backup for all my photos
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near the small of my life not the big lie thought about signing up my wife
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bought and and trying to put the big library
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up to the thing to see if it would choke on that because 10,000 is that they have
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a challenge but about sixty or seventy thousand now can you but maybe I'll do
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this is torture test but I would never burn it only anything only end up there
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and you know business model and it's all free basis of knows what they would
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charge the stuff so it's still a big question mark
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pricing is a pretty big question mark going like that that matters a lot to
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how how many people will even bother trying to adopt in the first place
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because vote libraries can be quite big and if you're talking about like storing
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all my stuff up there all my documents or even many of my documents plus all my
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photos plus you know I can immediately that gets very big very quickly
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especially if you've any video shooting but their explanation and the people
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behind making things like the obvious that they would take that into account
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the whole idea is that the old way of doing the other way that everybody else
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is doing them with sort of using eighties and nineties text to solve my
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problem is really in the future for the future over everybody as ubiquitous fast
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connections but as you know getting closer every day that they are coming at
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it from that perspective they you know they must have smart solutions for not
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just the API and how to write applications into this bag and but how
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the backend work how it hosted how it scaled how you know what the economics
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are how much does it cost for us to host X amount of data can we undercut
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everyone else prices by using better technology because we can more
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efficiently store they got him again they don't tell you it's their secret
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you know whatever I have no idea what it means but all I can look at is the front
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and the front end seems to work more smoothly than every other friend and I
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try to be there be Dropbox or Microsoft's one drive thing or Google
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Drive or like we've all tried all these different things
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casa so many different services that it that are like this and you know they're
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good ones I use Dropbox all-time like they're not they're not bad but this
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impressed me with just how sort of no nonsense and smooth it is and how I
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don't even know how they're doing it how like how is that I'm able to scroll
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through ten thousand photos and the thumbnails like they're not they're
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instantly there's little white squares initially but they pretty fast ball
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screens on this I don't have no idea how it's doing that but it's pretty
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impressive
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assuming that this actually becomes a thing and and launches to the public
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some kind of business model is one thing would you obviously they don't want to
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be your cloud backup service they want to be your primary storage and possibly
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your only stories therefore cos is there even easy way to like maintain a local
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copy of everything or do they really not want to do that that's what I'm getting
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at I don't know like maybe that's the long-term plan obviously the right now
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they are perfectly willing to be on everest they will pull in content and
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sit like you don't have to manually so I took some new photos with my phone like
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they were every time you launch the app it will sync up any new photos you've
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taken any time at anything to my photos I'm not using up there at this point but
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up there is every time I launch it is playing all that stuff in so it's a
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great sort of on-ramp like that they they want to make it easier for people
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to lunch at that and say we know you have elsewhere and probably you want to
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keep yourself elsewhere and probably going to deal with elsewhere but we're
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here too and they would have to sort of get you into the flow by saying we're
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cheaper than your other hosting a more reliable than photos eventually become
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trustworthy I mean realistically speaking depardieu by somebody for any
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of this happens but look impressive but you know I don't see any reason why they
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would you getting out of things like would you would you ever like put your
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stuff in there would you trust it as primary stories because they're trying
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to get rid of backups I don't know that I could do that well I mean like its
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aspiration obviously get rid of backups because if immediate your datacenter and
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stuff right so where is gonna have a nice have you know my my backups and my
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Time Machine and I clone and and the question of can you have locally copies
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were yep I just keep using photos and I have one of them access to always have a
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low copy the photos and have 17 backups of that including online like that's the
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way I will continue to go but I could see for example not enabling the the
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thing that lets you know that whatever the iCloud photo library lets you see
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your entire library on your phone because it's too onerous or maybe an
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enabling but never going to like for example when someone says I like I can
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be accessed 04 Leverkusen as someone
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ask questions like What did you know you could look like when he was three years
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old right I like being able to launch a thing on the phone and go to the year
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and say you know I have access to everything I think this year but it's
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lowered to do that with iCloud photo library than it is to do that with up
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there just because it is I can go to the year faster and faster and you know like
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that's that's a win for me of that that takes over that role where I no longer
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go to photos to look at my photos I just go up there because the same things are
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both places and has nothing to do with that said whatever it's a long road from
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there to the aspirational goal of like a week it by yourself and that's right but
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I i truly believe in that state not the end of backups but maybe in the backups
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for regular people like where you could get it to the point where it's reliable
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on redundant enough that you won't be a big thing about now you're obsessed with
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people like have you ever backed up your phone
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have you enabled like that for a library if I run over your phone with the car
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are checking into the ocean
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did you just lose the pictures of your infant child has now five years all
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because you never impede your phone before the whole problem filling your
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phone with photos like all those concerns I would like to be addressed
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then go adding Android is better to dressing down Apple's catching up with
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the photo library and up there is trying to say we're out we're way out here at
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the extreme where you guys want to be and I'm selling it as a competition
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between implementations really at this point and their implication looks pretty
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they slept for three sponsors this week
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Leinart fracture and Harry's and we'll see you next week
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now the show they didn't even mean to begin to see it was accidental
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accidental
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and a team are cool
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I do about plugging it is quite good
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magical you spent well maybe you didn't spend any money this week Marco but you
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kid yourself to spending some money sometime soon you wanna tell us about
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that I spent son is a deposit yes so in order to test left and you lost the bet
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I know I I knew already that I lost the bet nobody else did the bet was in there
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in the winnings were just bragging rights
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the bet was that Marco would absolutely get the performance version of whatever
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testified that he ended up buying and that's because Marco doesn't typically
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know how to do halfway on anything as it turns out I lost the bet and you did not
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get a p90 D or E
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p90 no deal whatever it is I forget the different permutations what did you end
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up getting I want to run run through the set up with us I got the 9th ed so it is
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approximately m5 speed and maximum range available in a test today it's white
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because it's the only color cars can be in getting its read my first non
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dark-colored car in a long day ever really my first non black car in a
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decade at least so red Tesla 9th ed is coming in late March when my lease is up
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but I ordered it now to get take advantage of some discount they were
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running before the year was nineteen silver cyclone wheels I know in in the
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pictures so I can read you can argue that the dark colored wheels would
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probably look better and in pictures they do first of all I think up-close
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look a little bit flat like it they almost look like painted plastic I know
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they're not just like the finish on them is kinda like flat a little bit dull
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they also because it is just like you know i didnt color coding on top of a
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regular one of these made it a steel aluminum metal depends anyway so
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whatever metal it is probably aluminum the dark colored wheels any kind of curb
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rash anywhere any scratches whatsoever on them that bright color metal below
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just shines right through and you can see everything and and sure enough I get
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whatever i'd i'd be a Tesla dealer looking at these things they would often
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be customer cars park
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in the lot like you know just getting service to people visiting to cooking
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utensils or whatever and every car I saw in person that was a customer-owned car
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that had dark wheels on it had very visible scratches on those people can
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just drive just can't drive went past a black model S today with the big dark
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colored wheels at the supermarket their red brake calipers too I think there are
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no scratches on the yeah if it has the red calipers that is AP model it was
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tempting to spend twenty grand extra just for red calipers but I did not get
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a lot more than red calipers but point noted will but obviously so you get the
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red calipers and you get the faster rear-ended another has the details of
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the two engines the rear engine is faster but those are actually the only
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two differences plus you get less range but like the suspension is all the same
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everything else about the cars the same I've confirmed with multiple people from
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my drive and it totally is certainly seems that way the the only thing
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different is the engine the red calipers and you the option for a spoiler on the
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back of a hate you got red you got the 19 inch super cyclone wheels what other
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options he said ninety days ninety black interior sunroof auto pilot range
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upgrade premium interior the big national seats I did not get the smart
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air suspension this I was going to and i did some reading and did some research
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and it sounds like the air suspension really does make the car feel more like
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a cushy or softer ride and I did not think that that was even when I wanted
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let alone worth $2,500 extra on the purchase price even the leasing still it
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would be out paper behalf of that so i didnt get smart air suspension I want a
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more firm sporty ride and I did not get the ultra high fidelity sound because I
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fingerprints and scratches like crazy but I decided ultimately I would rather
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have your printed piano black trim
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like it better I'd rather have that than perfect glossy wood trim and stoked I am
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having him five it's been great I do however miss although Dr yes I know
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they're adding it to the next model but it isn't there now I also mentioned
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earlier that I really want a quieter car BMW does not currently sell a quieter
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car that has all wheel drive that has a transmission that I would tolerate said
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maybe the is is 335 extra is still available and stick you know I don't
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not drive the Sprott oh yes I've driven it and no it is not the same as if the
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test is it in some ways it's not as good as as the m5 and I'm not expecting it to
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match it in a luxury feel feat
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jurors the interior is more luxurious feeling no question and very much going
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to miss the heads up display and the top-down parking camera that since the
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last real-time follow-up you can get a 340 i xDrive with a manual transmission
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now to the new lineup but that also I I really don't like the F 33 series
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for the way it looks and and I think the interior has actually gotten lower
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quality in certain ways in the previous three series and the lack of the All
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button on the climate control just kills me that is really insane I don't know
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why you're not shopping Mercedes at this point you never talk never talked about
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Mercedes but he's now safely within the most diverse cities you know market I I
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did I i recent trip I actually I rented a Mercedes guy I was on a trip about a
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yeah yes I rented and eat something something it was like the v-6 roughly
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300 horsepower like they basically their version of 335 early 535 I wouldn't say
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that but yeah anyway so I rented that a driver for a few days and it was a
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really nice driving car but definitely not for me overall I think they I think
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first of all I don't care pharmacies designs very much at their little bit
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dated for me well when you say that you mean exterior design yes host I think
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they've gotten pretty lili although that being said the brand brand brand new
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there was like a five-year stretch where they went from really really really
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boring to actually very pretty but for me it's a non-starter because they don't
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believe in three pedals I know but like but he doesn't have three pedals anymore
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anyway he has a has introduced as I understand like I feel like a Mercedes S
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like it might be I don't know but I also I I really don't care for the mercedes
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media system change every year but he's not received at five years or whatever
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but yeah I know they're all they're all terrible and yeah I mean I'm not saying
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to be tested forever I'm saying we are going to be tested for the next three
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that's the police cars but so I i am looking forward to trying something new
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to try and electric to it being a truly different and I'm seeing as I said when
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I drove them to at least feeling modern really filled with today and you know in
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test or something else by that time there will probably be more options or
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or more compelling
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options from the other luxury brands right now there really isn't much there
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will definitely be there forever they've all got a test
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fighters in in the works like that that Porsche concept looks really nice
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honestly I don't know if that will get that would pan out into something and
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god knows how much it will cost to it does but it does look really nice on
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know and you know even accurate any anybody else we'll see what happens in
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their electric department right now as I have to make a decision right now
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excited for you should be really awesome to be sad to not have you personally in
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the BMW family anymore but at least your family will still be a BMW family don't
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worry I'm sure at some point we'll be back there is a lot about the way BMW
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it but I do think I'm gonna prefer still haven't hardware knobs two giant screens
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quality interior and that's in the 5 series so maybe eventually there will be
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and all-electric 5 series that will be really compelling that will be nice to
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me that because that will eliminate the problem I have with the regular 5 series
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of having a transmission I hate if they can move to not having a transmission
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that does solve the probable we'll see what happens
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did you ask people if the model is designed for short trips can get
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examined her will is designed for that chicken salad John thing on my stomach I
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prefer XO Why What yeah this is worse than the windows thing I'm not against
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my go-to I would get cinnamon raisin bagel with egg salad on it wrapped up in
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wax paper and then cut in half through the wax paper as you know as a proper ok
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there are so many things wrong with this kid Kerr first of all is similar raisin
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bagel does not belong with any of the salads that is that is it illegal
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combination you're wrong you are so about that you don't know what you're
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missing john you're out of your mind
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second of all eggs salad only belongs on bread not bagels because it is such a
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soft feeling that you bite into a bagel it squeezes out I understand I
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understand the difficulties to hold the magic is getting that right
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it seems like it shouldn't work it seems like it should be a disaster that you
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would bite down at all we do is cause the bagel to choose digs out shooting
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out the side with an empty bag with but know it can be done we have the
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technology the wax paper is key
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you know your local deli that but you know I enrolled in during cutting
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basically right but they rapid really tightly and holding during cutting and
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you can move them back and eat it and it won't come shooting out the side and at
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the bagel is fresh and it's not like a stale big hard brick Cape thing you can
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actually buy it and not lose all of your Excel is a delicate balance I understand
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this is I haven't had a good one of those I don't know how many decades
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because ever be this terrible concept as a great content and is an advanced
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technique for you with if you want to make a bagel sandwich at home for
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example say you want a peanut butter and jelly on toast a bagel bitchez fabulous
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but I was
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to the bagel shop and that it was always a disaster whenever somebody order
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because that squeezes out like crazy I know I know let me give you a little
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billion toasted bagel home how can you possibly make that work it seems like it
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should work on all right you don't know now you do we have we have ways so you
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toast the bagel and then one half of it you sort of dig a trench for the judge
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to go and you don't play at all the insides leaving a trench then you put
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the Chilean the trench the peanut butter that legal
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the peanut butter will stay on its own for the most part then you assemble it
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you can eat that sandwich nothing else we're out the side if assembled
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correctly nothing about the size and what you have is a toasted bagel sammich
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the things I do with bagels understands these advanced techniques Vance that I'm
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not sure that Holmes first of all accounts it counts as well as a key to
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hollow out some part of you eat the part you take out throwing it away the trick
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is not takes so much out of it you just basically left with just a crust right
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you have to take just the right amount will tuna has enough stretch into his
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very similar chicken salad and texturally it has enough strength
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internally to tolerate you can get more you can get more in there anyway you
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don't always have to do with Tony right it can hold together I like to sell it
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and I like bagels and I like bagels with tuna or chicken on them at no point have
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I ever had a bagel with tuna salad or chicken soured and thought I need to
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find ways to show up more of it and here I thought that because you can fit a lot
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in the regular way it really depends on how stiff your mixture as you know John
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and it is there all good things that are going hungry even thinking about them
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you're so wrong with these are all delicious things these are all delicious
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things that you can make in your own home you did these are terrible terrible
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things to know everything you just said has been wrong the first time I think
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any input about what's proper aideed bagels from some of his regime and
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second of all I'm also not going to take that interview somebody who just
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recently moved to New York which one of us is a New York right now oh recently
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moved to New York
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eight years ago her up there now what I got a big salad I i just am so i cant
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get past against egg salad is it and some anti-aids exam is delicious I i in
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general I I think I am against it and I i mean alot of fakes out of my life now
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the truth comes out against the egg salad bar garment against the bed for
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america is that exactly what happened to me a salad is not worth it when you have
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other options that are similar to its only if all you have in a store is a
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salad finally takes out but if right next to it is tuna salad and chicken
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salad those are both way better so I can be in any context in which I would
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choose egg salad with chicken or tuna salad or cream cheese or any other
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league sandwich topping were available I I like all of those things those are all
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good I feel like you have to mix it up you don't have the same thing every day
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you know maybe maybe your place that makes better chance than a cake so you
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cannot turn your nose up that I have never had egg salad that was good enough
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to overcome decent chickens out like I've had i think is fine but that's the
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most I've ever thought about six hours it's fine in other forms like I love
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deviled eggs which are very similar really in a deviled eggs have a lot of
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similarities in taste and ingredients to exile just in different shape and
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preparation but you know I love Asian other forms just egg salad is it's just
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so mediocre compared to the other options that it's usually next to its
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exiled is the sesame bagel of the salad
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come out against sesame bagels
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Abbott sesame bagels but you have to send email there one of the greatest
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what I have against them is similar to have against a stout it's not worth it
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when you have better options nearby so it's like a sesame bagel is fine I've
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had many emails in my life
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they're fine chocolate cake for every meal every me john john you've been out
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of new york particular lost touch it it's no I am the only one here who is in
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touch you got use in Virginia and we've got him is coming around the world
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outside of bagels who was only recently which one of us goes to build up every
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day in New York oh that's right I i'm saying I guess you're coming from Ohio
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or average is trying to figure out this crazy new world and making it up as you
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go along the way it is why would you go get a sesame bagel with egg salad again
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sesame bagels and against the exam is not a position you want to stake out to
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an everything bagel with chickens out which is right next to those two you
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can't have everything on it you're always going to have never done
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everything big wasn't great but the whole idea that every single time you
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have it you have the most you know the best topping the big with the most stuff
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on it sometimes you gotta have you know there's a certain place for the poppy
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seed bagel sometimes you can have the plane bigger why would anyone there have
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a plain bagel people do it happens sometimes that's the right combination
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by not getting the really expensive tests you still getting the everything
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bagel with chicken salad because you can't bring yourself to have anything
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that you consider lesser but they're not lesser they're just different I mean I i
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have different big orders like I love a toasted bagel with butter and if you're
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gonna love butter everything is a good choice but so is rye or pumpernickel
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everything to make anything anyway because those things are actually good
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bagels are like they're like I would say a properly a proper toasted rye bagel
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with butter is just as good as it has everything bagel with butter but a
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sesame bagel is like the plane go to the dakotas his again either plaintively
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and the topping is included in everything and itself has almost no
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got everything it's already trying to find some common ground here
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caraway seeds and everything bagels yes I now know what I could just making sure
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that some people some people want that know everything bagels require five
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things sesame poppy garlic onion salt it is missing any of those things don't
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leave out the salt midwestern people it is missing any of those things it is not
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a proper everything bagel some people like the caraway seeds I gotta say no to
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that also some people put some flowers he done which is illegal now forget
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about the snow on there I can't handle it comes to John you're so out of touch
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it it's the only one who's in touch on the only one with authentic bagel
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experience in Connecticut have gotten nothing and Marco is
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tourists will see big leading world email John this weekend tell you what
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she was right
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leading world it's not it's not a democracy is the people who live in the
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New York metro area and everybody else and everyone else is wrong and we are
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right we don't live in the New York metro area I did I lived there I am I'm
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from there I will it will never leave me he can take whatever out of new york you
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know that you left it and I'm here today I can I can I can it's a Christmas
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bagels seriously protesters outside your house a sesame bagel with egg salad
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terrible it's so boring I don't have a sesame CII absurd it's like pairing you
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know pairing wine with meals no its not that that's that's kill yo yesterday yet
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that's where you're wrong you don't even understand you don't even know this is a
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skill that you can have let alone have the skills they pairing lightly flavored
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water sharing the bagel with the thing you put on it is a skill I agree I just
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don't think you have everything goes on an everything bagel right here I will I
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will fix this Marco do you or do you not put locks on a bagel
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I don't I don't like fish box but I recognize that you've ruined my many
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people love putting lox and bagels and were I to choose a bagel for locks
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everything will be pretty high on the list cuz I know people like that kind of
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like salt garlic onion flavor with the loss I know it's a very common
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combination John do would you do lox and bagel you know that finally we agree you
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too so ignorant but I just don't like fish when it's
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like fish for four years like if you have to have a good for everyone
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good fish seems like I don't like sushi either there's some overlap there and
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ever so you haven't had good sushi and eventually somebody brings me to a place
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where they say ok this is good next thing I don't like I try it and I get I
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give it an honest shot and I hardly ever end up liking it but at least I but I
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can at least in an okay i atleast know what I'm missing now I N I have
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confirmed that I honestly don't like this but I've had the good thing maybe I
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can see why you like it you know but I can't see why anybody ever order
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acceptable for anything that's why I tried to call you when I'm there it
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seems like if you were going to be a big ol you might as well just get plane or
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if you if you want if you want flavor and stuff you get everything can all
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agree on sesame only you are agreeing on sesame and the rest of the New York
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metro area is not a state to meet the sesame bagel is it's like that that's
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like that's what the duck computer that's my favorite kind of bagel like I
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like them all but he would you put on it in your expert bagel pairing experience
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things the things that pair well with me
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surveyed with butter on it is very nice to meet with two very nice if I had to
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get to consolidate your daily I would probably go with us
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your shopping done I think but I haven't wrapped everything yet and so that
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always leaves me wondering like maybe I forgot something or somebody or I didn't
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get enough for somebody or something so it's always a baseline level of stress
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mode is very worried about not having gotten somebody something or enough
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that's why you have a spreadsheet to track these sorts of things that would
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be wise if I was thinking that far ahead yes I will I agree that that's the kind
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of thing I should do I assume john has just a series of scripts to figure out
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what to buy people now I don't do anything I was thinking maybe you would
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have just a large number of Windows I've met that would be merry you like maybe
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like one window that has like 50000 tabs right in it that was just like one tab
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for every person I've ever known for each gift that you might someday maybe
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wanna get them plus the one you did get them to the path for comparison a
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reference accident does make a lot of money that you need burndown chart for a
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number of gifts you have to buy other people
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burndown chart I was meant to say there's no way market knows that it is a
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nice who doesn't like business yeah not suffer development thing but also a
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business thing what happens in a burned-out try to me it sounds really
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fun and getting it isn't now it's not so you're looking for
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think it's because they look like flames of hell like a layered bar chart but
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you're trying to make it go down to 0 like you're trying to make all these
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different things like how many of Acts how many or how many of the little bars
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over time trying to do is drop them all to hear anybody and he gets the call I'm
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in the midst of reconciling our visa bill which is making me mildly upset cuz
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it's the holidays like during the podcast I'm almost done if you want we
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can we can discuss watching paint dry as best they know this is hugely
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entertaining we can we can walk through a sort algorithm on the air and just
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like an example data set of a house or diagram sorts it out on super fun yeah I
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use this app called money while which is what a name just check your money down
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oh well I was like oh well at some point to leave right now it's a bucket
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full of money but anyway so I like for transactions away from reconciling my
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visa bill in the next to pay it
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delightful because of the holiday season now I'm broke the fact that your holiday
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purchases are already on a bill you've received means that you are way more
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ahead of the game that I well we should start with this is a monumental so this
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is a Christmas miracle to the best of my knowledge and i am not presently looking
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at the notes cuz I'm finishing writing spelling bees that bill but to the best
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of my knowledge still just how long it will take to you sit here and wait watch
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this and we can't watch has not seen anything boom reconciled done how does
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it feel to be reconciled so great except now I gotta pay is not cheap but you are
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reconciled that that is so it's like closure for all of your money or your
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saying goodbye to all of your money in a fully closed state that's true you could
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say I have some reconcilable differences but you reconcile them you have
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reconcile differences away waiting for that market in but I guess you just give
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up that was pretty proud of that anyway what the crap we talked about earlier
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outside do we are doing not have follow-up I should take a screenshot of
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our show notes where there is the heading follow up there is a single
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bullet and there is nothing else runs on vacation I think we had a couple of the
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shows were there was nothing that I can make something out of nothing but I need
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anything to make up is everyone is off and went on to star wars and on vacation
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and follow-up to that end can we establish that I have not seen Star Wars
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and I presume marco hasn't either and so I do not wish to talk about it and I do
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not assume Marco never will so that's true well actually I wanted to start
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this episode with with a bit of a game with a three truths and a lie on those
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things from corporate america as ice-breaker they use so so there's
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here's here's three truths three statements of these are true and one of
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them is allowing you to figure out which one is the understatement
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any of our any of these things store spotless no number one I wrote my first
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swift code not possible number two I played journey number three
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I went to see Star Wars and number for a start using Pinterest I went to see Star
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Wars the line because martin Dempsey things Casey I would concur with that
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but it's hard to vote against you actually writing like there's no way you
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for this way if you're such an old man that there's no way but I would have to
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agree with John that that that is the line that you you you have not seen Star
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Wars you should go with your instinct AC really useful Star Wars and I didn't I
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said what if I went today to a movie theater to see Star Wars wow how did
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that help whose idea was that I'm flabbergasted was actually my idea but
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she was also planning on going anyway so it's kind of mutual did you do this just
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so you can read the internet without worrying about spoilers or maybe tipped
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it was worried about the policy will part of it was because I like I
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basically has no podcasts left my podcast player that I can play without
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being about Star Wars
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everything that I haven't listened to this week is about Star Wars and I've
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listened to everything else so you actually concerned about hearing stories
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suppose that means like otherwise you'd like whatever star respond with
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something I don't care I'm never going to say it was the greatest thing is you
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know all of you Star Wars fans have been trying so hard to avoid spoilers to go
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to ridiculous lanes I successfully avoided any split about the movie simply
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by just not really caring about the movie
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I don't put any effort into avoiding spoilers but I went into the theater
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today knowing nothing about being pleasantly surprised by everything in it
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yeah i i i would say I've been avoiding spoilers but I haven't been going to
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particular links to do so it's just if i seemed like a tweet fly by the looks
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like it might be spoiler spoiler and then I'll just skip over it and I
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haven't been reading reviews or anything like that I'd ask friends that have seen
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it do you like it and that's all I've asked and you've got me some hints as to
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the quality of the movie but I've not seen it I'm hoping the air and I will be
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able to see it maybe even tomorrow actually but but I'm still avoiding
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spoilers and I think my time is running out because I think the Internet is
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kinda collectively decided from what I can tell that shortly after Christmas
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all bets are off in and everyone's going to talk about everything and that's
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that's part of why I went to see it because I'm fine ignoring major cultural
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events I've never seen any of Lord of the Rings never seen Harry Potter never
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seen Twilight anything like it looks like the big movie franchises have
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either never seen or seen some along time ago and never again let me help you
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Lord of the Rings big waste of time
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Harry Potter's pretty good reverse that please e-mail John anyway so but this
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one this one felt very very important to my circles like more so than those other
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ones did and also I i have seen movies I I did enjoy them you know I am A Star
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Wars fandom is not like a massive star wars Star Wars fan in general so I did
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want to see it at some point I was planning on watching it when it came out
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the video maybe or something I get on Netflix when I figure like it is going
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to be talked about so much
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and it's so important you know in in the in the circles that I know I live in
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that I figured I kinda had to go see it in the theater I should have gone the
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plain states in retrospect the links you would go to to prevent yourself from
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writing any swift that should have been the opposite I mean you have gone
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through some serious mental gymnastics in order to get to the point that you
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can justify not writing swift I didn't say I'm never ready for the time saying
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no transcript yet but I do intend to learn it probably when 3.0 comes out
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next year because they're doing a bunch of big changes to lead up to that well
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you could just change your mind about it recently like in the past like oh I did
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you know that Pakistan was like I'm not gonna lie within the open source thing
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came out and turned around so you're trying to do so but the real tell us
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that the fact that we're talking about star wars and that prompted you to do
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the crystal I think so I mean I already had the list I mean I knew you played
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journey and other ones are easy so I was just down to the swept in the Star Wars
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it just seems so crazy viewed actually the house and go to a movie theater to
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Pinterest thing didn't you didn't have any possible to Pinterest thing I know I
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know you to purchase and you know how do you know everybody here puppies
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that's right she did yes I I joined a bit I started to Pinterest account so I
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could collect pictures of puppies watches and things I want to buy for the
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house like pipe heating rap and the Icicle melting zigzag wired you put on
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the roof exciting stuff if you find good good pipe wrap whatever you wanna call
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it tell me because I have stuff around my business stuff you put around the
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pipes to keep the heat from Chris leaking out into the areas where the
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pipes goes right
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know it's it's too late to print them from freezing if you have a pipe in an
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uncertain space so it's like we have on the garage from forever ago its ancient
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you know two conductor cable too just like a heat wire that wraps in a coil
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around a pipe that runs through our garage is insulated said I could freeze
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that it has burned out and no longer heats so I'm looking at new solution to
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that and they're all basically scaring me into either not doing it or having
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electrician do it because in all basically says that these things are
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insanely dangerous and you will start fires and they all require insulation
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around the pipe and everything and yes I'm probably gonna actually outsources
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job but we will see
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living in the northeast is the best because you have to worry about BS like
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this winter
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not right but what you have really is is months of depressing evil terrible
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winter light season whereas I have this brief rest bit from from wonderful
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weather with slightly less wonderful weather and then it's back to wonderful
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weather again so you can you continue being smug up there and your when your
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tundra and how that works out it was wonderful there we went there in July I
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was I was really wonderful whether you had there was one such it was very hard
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when you get here even for us it was extremely hot also order to test this
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week that's the big week for you I killed the web fun on your website which
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by the way I don't really agree with I think that whatever font you have going
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not making me happy no i i don't think I found a solution that I am experimenting
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with Google web font and might lead to a different web font because the the
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service I was using the the heifer and Co
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their ideals and found them in a few benchmarks done by people have shown
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that typically their web surfing is not as fast as type kid or some of the other
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big web services and not as fast as as self hosting and stuff and they don't
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allow cell hosting they become a weird thing where they you have to go through
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their CDN but then it redirects to the font files on your server with no cache
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headers so that your meeting with clients make two requests one of them is
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going back to your slow server and not to their CDN to actually get the big
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files you know the big like 300 kilobytes where the files and no reason
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they're really good I really like this one fight they have a very nice funds
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over there but I'm going to look at other options now because they just it
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was just too slowly if you look at the time with the network timeline in the
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women's better time to taking during this page it's just insane and you could
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argue and I've heard many counter arguments for why i shouldn't worry
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about the speed of my website loading most of it down to either that I should
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like a secluded and then either pop it in or save it for the next load and put
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it on the next load both of those I think so because they are good options
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just for you know user experience was like why why would I want to do either
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of this you know the other answer was why do you care it's just a blog it
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doesn't matter how quickly it looks and that's BS because not only does it
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matter quite a bit how quickly pages load to whether people complete the
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loads but we're talking about loading a 300 kilobyte resource that requires two
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requests to be made before the patient even begin to look this is like in the
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head on mobile and when you have bad connections and everything that does
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matter that really does add up to a significant delay we're loading a page
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when you better big image because I can load after the pictures when you're on a
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mobile connection that really matters and it turns out that my traffic like
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everyone's traffic is mostly mobile these days and you have to think about
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that when you're a blogger or any kind of content site especially a tech
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content site read by tech people you're gonna see a large portion of traffic on
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believe what led you to do all this because no disrespect intended it seemed
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of you know when you had headphones or podcast Mike so what have you so what
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distribution that they all say that like don't do that the solution to upgrading
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time in months really and you know part of that was the last time I wrote stuff
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anymore it's just not worth it I do want to keep writing but I'm I'm kind of
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writing on the site because having the kind of potentially controversial tech
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the trash I said something horrible without any kind of a bottle and the
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developer help things I I would rather do that on under the radar
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microphone justify that I can I can talk about lots of other things without being
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right and don't publish it that's one way to do it or like a private email
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list or something like that that might be a good idea I'm not sure if it would
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be as good if you if you only surround yourself with people that agree with you
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gonna complain that the new fund your chosen apparently didn't have a good
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for the cloud icon the EU's next the streaming heading in the overcast to
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post but it's it's a black lab looks like a little tired but it's just
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nevermind carry on I don't understand why everyone loves cum so damn much
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close to sealing successfully so they've got that going for ya well see I turned
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off her name but she may have found somebody had found a way to do a
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write to just direct to the actual URL instead of a Chico linked quarter were
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calling them and then that that made everything a million percent better and
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never run into them but you haven't got the one the new one in capitan where the
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insertion point the address bar you can't click the window with just you
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can't look in the toolbar buttons you can't use the scroll bar got that one
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twice a week now no but remember that I have a scene amount of taps open I don't
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have 3,000 windows and 4,500 taps to browser windows open then
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a piece of crap I'm sure they're saying that for a reason but darned if I know
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why because my experience does not match with that I just I don't think that
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they're all sorts of chrome like die hard chrome plans that are firing up
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Gmail to rate me some sort of nasty gram but the things that chrome did better
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than than Safari and maybe that's true I'm not saying that they're wrong but in
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wish I could use Chrome for this because it does whatever better though I still
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run both are you so far as my primary I used to use from Nice to like use one at
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primary chrome is my is my flash isolation area but anyway but chrome is
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everything safari is all over the map with every new version so you know
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tools most of the time so we'll see anyway we will hear from all the current
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people and what they think because I believe has more market-driven safari in
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to vote for Compaq Dell computers that those are the best side so not speaking
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of things that are awesome why don't you make us happier after mentioning compaq
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in Delhi and tell us about something that is awesome
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there's a company out there that I have just talked about for the first part the
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executive lineup John D on account of give us a synopsis as to what's going on
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there was so long ago I can barely remember
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that was like right after recording this week's podcast like 11 news they're
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gonna dump at the end of the year the news was a fairly tame a reorg where
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sheler got control of the App Store stuff the absence of that used to be
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under attack you and if you still has like the whole media thing and music and
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was already doing that and not a lot of exciting things they're but the thing
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that developers got excited about is the moving of any apps to responsibilities
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from one person to another and I guess people are getting hopeful just because
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hey it's a change and things are bad now the change has the potential to be good
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start he's just getting the rest of the App Store and so a preview is one of the
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things that developers complain about a lot and Phil show her always had that so
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been disgruntled about a preview stuff that's the shelter and now he's got the
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tech parts of it better like make iTunes Connect nice area and let developers use
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test flight and fix the Mac App Store sandboxing people so people can actually
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test their absence and box like that's the hope that any cues seem to not be
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able to roll out be the features like the software and server-based features
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for developers as quickly as developers wanted and it somehow Phil show would do
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better I have no idea if that is the case but I have to admit I'm also
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slightly optimistic just because things have been kind of not grade limping
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along for a long time and I like to see some kind of shake up even if it's like
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the world's most minor shake-up so yeah I mean just to fill out what you said
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basically the the developer ecosystem of Apple has always been under these three
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different divisions in the company there the engineering division undercut the
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they may call the API's new OS isn't everything and then there's the
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developer relations division which is under Phil Schiller division under
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marketing and that that does the BBC that the you know the developer program
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store division and the editorial part of it that has been under attack you in the
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store works and and running the store back and everything I would imagine also
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involved the store apps themselves so that it to hell is under three different
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divisions you could you could always tell the pastor there has been some kind
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of like miscommunication or fortune in the past so for example you would have
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an app that was featured by the App Store editorial team under a DQ because
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it was doing some new cool thing and then the app review team would call up
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featured by the department in in the store and so you have these kind of
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weird miscommunications or disagreement between the divisions that have caused
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some friction or sumn sumn you know clumsiness and passed the engineering
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site is still under factory still totally separate obviously that makes
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that makes sense but the developer relations and the App Store is now
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together under Phil and interestingly as as a friend Ben Thompson pointed out on
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trajectory think this was one of the Private Members Only things but if not
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linked to it a lot of people are paying attention to the fact that actually that
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well what corporate people called marcom marketing communications which I think
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that's that's like advertising stuff right beats me I know nothing about that
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stuff anyway that used to be under Phil and now they announced the new hire
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whose name I forgot I'm sorry the new hire is now taking over marketing
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communications from Phil and reporting directly to Tim Cook so this this stuff
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has been removed from Phils played peers and then phil has gained the app stores
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you know internally that there's obviously a lot of
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implementation details here that we don't know like the big 12 me is how do
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you separate the app stores from the back end that they run on which is all
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presumably still under eight accused of it there's some weirdness there I would
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imagine but high level it it certainly appears that phil has lost his
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responsibilities of running the like advertising part of it and Dean the
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responsibility of running the app stores whatever that includes because he
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improvements to a preview on the Mac App Store having this occasionally very long
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review times I hope they fix that that's that's just messed up that's been it's
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embarrassing and that's obviously not the way it's supposed to work to have
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your absentee review for a month but you know when it is working like an iOS when
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organization just took control the entire App Store
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obviously they're not looking to change that but the things that I think that
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about him the more I think I think I I like him like I think he has
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sensibilities that one up with mine more so than most of the other high up Apple
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executives and and more so that are in the interest of the old apple and I come
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to some good and some bad that's why a preview of things going anywhere because
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that you know it's like the old school Apple but overall this is a good thing
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if for nothing else because as you said John it is a sign of of a of a pretty
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big cheese and if you look at like things that stagnant or have problems in
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division that is clearly a place where they have had a lot of problems in the
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past and I i we keep hearing they're doing that they're getting better
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some of things are doing are better like the new cloud kids stuff the new photo
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doing this apache besos thing and and now we're probably works with Linux is
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going and we're seeing lots of lots of like rumblings that the department is
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getting better and some evidence that is coming out to the consumers but even if
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they start doing really well they also seem dramatically overloaded and and
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fronts the App Store has basically done nothing like it in the App Store has
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gone almost nowhere has improved very little has changed very little since its
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inception in 2008
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is not that different
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yes some things are better but not what not what you'd expect for was a seven
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years seven and a half years if not what you'd expect for them in time so to move
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vision of the company to have that bTW absurd the thing that that control so
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as a dependent on the App Store and the way its run its policies to move that to
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her executive is a big change I think you know it seems like it would be a big
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change I don't think there's like some paper thing so I I hope that this is a
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sign that they are finally going to change the after they're finally going
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to improve it to start making meaningful changes and again I don't think it's
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gonna be in regards to a preview I think we're stuck with that for a long time
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but it could be in regards to many things that could use improvement things
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like you know if you want upgrade pricing or trials that's the kind of
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place you know this is the kind of change that would happen if you want
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improvements to the max
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App Store or better how I mean if you look at the health of the App Store's
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pretty much all the mix up the iPhone 18 help like they're not in great shape the
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iPhone one is doing ok so beautiful to massive volume but it could still use
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some improvement all of that now is kind of we have we have a renewed hope the
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App Store might finally get better because they use did this seemingly
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substantial sounding move I have high hopes for that especially to be under
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Phil he cares a lot about the Mac about the product quality and they wouldn't
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have moved this for no reason there is nothing pressuring them to move it there
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was no like there is no reason they had to do this so they clearly want to do
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this and it has to have been this this move has to happen for a good reason
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there is some kind of pressure because when I it's hard so it's hard to tell
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why things are happening inside applicants obviously the press release
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isn't gonna tell you and I can do is look at the experience I've had in a
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company that I work for when they have shuttle people around and the only real
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underlying thing other than stuff you don't know about the information you
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don't have like roanoke like maybe someone you know is going to retire soon
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or you know maybe someone has expressed an interest in doing something different
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right but usually if some top executive like the CEO whatever is not getting
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something they want out of some subdivision of the company they've let
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that slide for a while but eventually it's like I've been I wanted acts for
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two years now and this person hasn't delivered it it's time to give another
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person who can sometimes there's the you know give the really hard job to this
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one executive who's great for you know doing tackling tough problems and that
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person bounces around like the problem solver the fixer the do you know like
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the call so horrendous acts Casey out some of your reference you don't get it
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is definitely affects their anyway it could be that but I get away it's like
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someone is not getting what they want out of insert and it could be a summer
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not getting what they want added marcom and that's why a new guys to come in to
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take it is someone not getting what they want the app so we don't know because it
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could be say it's a the marking something stag
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you know Apple's marketing messages in evolving and for a while we wanted to
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change until doesn't seem capable to get out of the rut so what we're gonna do is
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we're going to bring in someone new
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they're gonna take over the marketing communication but since no such an
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important person you can't take away that from him without giving them
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something else and I need a lot of salsa given over to him alright that's one
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plausible scenario another one is the one the world languages like ed four
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years we wanted access of you know this outdoor stuff has been happening so
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we're gonna take that away from you and give it to somebody who is more we think
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is going to do a better job I don't know the person is gonna do a better job of
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that be like there's just so much we don't know but the bottom line is these
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things don't happen without a substantial reason because top
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executives hate having responsibility taken away from them it's not a demotion
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but it's seen as like you know so don't show her is not really you know he got a
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bunch of response was taken away but he took the mantle something else I feel
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like this is you know in the political org chart of Apple's little bit of a
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downer and EQ and a little bit of an upper sideways heroin phyllis was the
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way it feels to me from the outside and when I think about is you know there is
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corrected a little bit little bit down aromatic you what what is it that top
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executives might have wanted that they weren't getting out of it and that's
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makes me think of the success Heights problem things we're in the beginning
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but he had the iTunes Store and the App Store and everything was going
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gangbusters hey the App Store is super popular everybody loves apps they're
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installing stuff in like every year every quarter he you know at every
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meeting and he could be a look at these crazy numbers look how many apps we have
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look how many people had ellen's up look how many developers are signed up like
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every metric that he could possibly every charge to put up every number
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Heathrow on someone's face was like I'm in charge of the App Store in the App
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Store is awesome but as you point out Marco at a certain point like those
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numbers that the day level off it's like yeah yeah we heard lots about someone
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ever bought this hearing about you know developers don't like this or it's hard
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to search in the store or just been but this company to redo the store but it
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kinda looks the same and people don't think it's that much better and just
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just from regulated like you don't have to be plugged into this community just
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Tim Cook to go to the App Store his own phone to try to find something and
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notice that their problems and bring that up two years ago they did you in a
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bit like oh you know we'll take care of that no work on this organized into
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seven points like it doesn't you know again things that things that someone
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who's not plugged into the Daubert you can adjust Tim Cook on his own phone
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keep using the app store your bike you know doesn't seem like regardless of
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whether I think this is good or not your number the greater reliability is great
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you make a lot of money or whatever it just doesn't seem like it has gotten
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that much better over the past several years so maybe it's time for a change
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now this could all be delusions based on our perspective as outsiders and people
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who know a lot of developers it could be something entirely unrelated but to me
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that's a plausible scenario that that that that he was Coast thing but that
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like when when you're on the fun part of the hockey stick it can hide a lot of
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stuff in a certain point lol off or that stuff becomes old hat and you need like
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what have you done for me lately you know what what have you done to the App
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Store lately cuz the complaints are there and the feedback is there and you
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know people leaving the Mac App Store and longer view times I don't have the
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time involved that into you know like features and iTunes Connect and just it
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just seems like at this point no matter how distant be removed from the
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developer community can do it market just said and say look at what the
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upstart was like five years ago and look at what it's like now and think is that
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five years with the progress in the App Store and you just have to say no and so
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that's why that feels like the strongest reason why there might be a shake-up
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related to the App Store regardless of what you think it was just that it's
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just not progressing in advancing the way you would hope it would also like
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you know i i think as as I mentioned last episode I think you can look at
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their their recent product launches the watch the Apple TV and the iPad pro in
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all three of those cases you can very clearly point to the at ecosystem and
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the app stores themselves as holding these products back significantly the
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the TV app store is frankly embarrassing
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there's so little in it it is so hard to use it is so hard to find anything
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there's no like there's no like Public Links for TV apps you can't if you hear
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about like like that land to came out this past week or something I want to
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get it on my TV or these find out if it was available on Apple TV I could not
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find information out anywhere except going over walking over the TV and
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typing poorly planned to into that horrible text entry field and finding
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nothing and I wasn't sure like is just bad right now or is it really not here
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and it turns out of the TV I hadn't been out for the TV I would have no computer
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or my phone or any other device to have clicked by this inhabitable my TV there
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there are simple things like this where the stores were not helping
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it's it's really hinder things not to mention the way bigger challenge of like
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developer economics and and making it worth developing for these platforms
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which is a whole separate discussion but is related to this who's in charge of
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that site who agree I just to give you an example upgrade pricing like
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developers and wanted to go to prison for a long time
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who of all the people
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top execs me know and Apple are the people saying no to upgrade pricing and
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are they still in charge of that decision
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well I think it was kind of a combo mean that kind of thing before would have
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been like 80 if you look at the app review rules there are many interviewed
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rules related to pricing and what you what you're allowed to do with your
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pricing and what you're not what has to be free what has to do not break or not
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have limits on her ever so a lot of that isn't a preview but that any anything
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related to things like a great president would have had to be implemented by any
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Q's division so that kind of thing
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spanned both divisions and I think that's one of the reasons why you seen
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so little change it
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of that type because it wouldn't it would have involved these two divisions
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working together which was probably problematic or at least of these
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burdensome be implemented bundles which is like seems like so much more
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complicated the upgrade price I mean they did then that purchase and they did
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bundles to features that are fair
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complicated so it seems like when whoever is the head of the snake want to
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change to the economics we want to make bundles possible we want them to make
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in-app purchase possible that's going to involve your team ready cuz you gotta
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handle the bundle and the pricing whenever an in-app purchase gonna be
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like a backend that we're going to talk to whatever but it just seemed to me
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that those efforts weren't coming from any cute and I'm just wondering who you
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know I upgrade pricing and it happened in terms of the economic issues somebody
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is setting the policy if you like or dislike Apple still if somebody high
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enough up said you know what we're going to do operate price it would happen like
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regardless of who's in charge of implementing it made you a peek ready
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and maybe like the interface for an iTunes Connect would be bad baby buggy
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to begin with it may be difficult for developers to test all the things you
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can blame on any cure whatever but like I just always wonder where the decision
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is made like to have a meeting where they should be revisited upgrade price
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does it never come up like today decide once back when Steve Jobs is still alive
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that upgrade pricing is good for developers of bed for users in this
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endeavor revisit that decision despite you know but how the iPad pro may change
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that equation or whatever you have to also look at how important is this thing
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is very important to us how important is this relative to the division it's in
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the company it's in you know and and so relative to all Apple as a whole I don't
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know how important they consider things like the App Store and developer
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happiness with the App Store everything else I don't know senator sherry faxes
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like why aren't more people buying iPad pros why are people leaving the Mac App
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appearing on the iPad prob wise Adobe not making a full version of Photoshop
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for the upper leg all sorts of questions about why aren't people taking advantage
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or + 21 is that we haven't sold any hardware but it's kind of a chicken egg
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situation other answers what is it about specialist advice should I pro like what
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is it about our platforms that you know we all know the answers that lends
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itself to applications and a bunch of people right and support what they can
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still make money and then abandoned like there is no sort of ten-year twenty-year
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application because you can't get any more revenue from them unless it's like
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it and in-app purchase type of thing where you're constantly you know people
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currency or whatever you know like other than those model like why why is there
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no model for sort of professional applications that people buy on a
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regular basis I guess they do subscriptions but then you know we all
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know what the the the App Store policies are there that didn't make it difficult
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to have a sustainable high-end software package that continually its upgraded on
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Apple's iOS platform that is because all the tools people are used to either
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don't exist or have a 30 percent taxes just mostly untenable like Adobe loves
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their subscription revenue aw would love subscription revenue a lot less
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available to 30% and I mean there have been so mean I there have been so many
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his division like if you look at what else that division had to do you know
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while the actor was under them that's all of iCloud that's all of Siri that is
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all of these stores at other stores in music stores that Apple music streaming
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television planet still hasn't happened right and it's and it's it's all the
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content deals its negotiating and dealing with his content companies also
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just you know you doing his job badly I probably not as far more complicated
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than that now it's not like people have apples number now they have the first
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home is easy like it like it and people learn that lesson from iTunes and was
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like no intention of giving our business Amazon to check your power Apple so now
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it's it's much harder to go because you know Apple doesn't want to come out with
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a plan as far as I know nobody has a plan that is a convincing replacement
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for quarter for real television at this point Apple wants to be the first so
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they're gonna have to be the ones to explain to the big networks and
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everybody just trust us this this fungus empower you and you won't lose your
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shirt on this deal but you have to bring the price down because no one's going to
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buy it if it costs as much as cable but isn't as good as cable which it won't
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because they're stupid Apple TV box isn't that good
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really seem to know how to be in a negotiating position of not just
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absolute power I think that you know I was less because talking about
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developers but this week you know i think is very equally to the content
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problems
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content deals only one willing to say here that in this negotiation between
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Apple and television networks I'm willing to put money that the television
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people are being more reasonable than Apple like they've been every time like
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les Moonves makes it a public statement I feel like I don't envy an enviable
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trying to negotiate with these guys because I think that they don't get it
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Apple is trying to explain to them so I really like it's hard to fault Apple
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these things maybe they are being a little bit stubborn but but she's there
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they're trying to pull in industries head out of the sand and it's it's slow
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going and that's fair but that industry i think is still doing really well
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without Apple and the dynamic is different one of the reasons Apple was
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able to have so much power in music and get some great deals for music is
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because the music industry was was kind of naive and also pretty desperate and
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in this case today that's not the case anymore especially with with TV industry
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like the TV industry still doing very well and still making tons of money
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a palatable should have Netflix but wasn't like a Netflix got their first
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right so and then now everyone it's it's it's a bigger mess like your music music
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was more desperate music with smaller and more tractable and nobody knew what
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was going to happen and apple just steamrolled everybody and everyone saw
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what happened to everybody who who basically lost power nap on that was
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like no we're not doing that against every other industry from e-books
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television to movies everything was like comes calling
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look at the music industry as a cautionary tale and negotiate
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differently and find another way
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we're going to make your own streaming apps and we're gonna make deals with
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Netflix and you know who knows what we're gonna do but it's more complicated
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world like it and I do wonder like I don't know anything about it and I see
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the guys they talk a big fan of button his shirt yeah but I was wondering like
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what his core skills that is like he's not an engineer at a tax programmer
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anything we've always heard that he that he is like the negotiator said that he
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he is really good at these content deals apparently or I also have also heard
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that he has a reputation of like being the fixer getting things done but I
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honestly I don't see it not an iTunes Connect know well as is the least
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developed problems I mean I think all things associated with like test flight
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integration and you know the process visibility into the app review process
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and the ability to contact the Human about your thing and yeah yeah but like
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yeah I mean the problems of the App Store go way beyond like the iTunes
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Connect a web interface or so far beyond that and then that's good enough for
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what it does you know it's not great but it's fine it's like it's like the admin
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panel that ever that we all make for our websites like no one's admin panel is
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iTunes Connect is not nice but I don't need Phil Schiller to fix iTunes Connect
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you know we we need to fix a lot bigger problem than that
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NEQ got a bachelor's in computer science and economics from deep yeah I don't
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like I don't know I can get a read it was obviously at this level of doing
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anything you're telling people who are telling people are telling people to do
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things with just like its management just I'm trying to think like things
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that you do things that were put in a DQ this substantial improvements or they've
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gotten better or that you know like he's got a lot of sort of stars on as you
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know whatever you call them right
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like iTunes and the stores and the App Store especially in the initial part of
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lots of big important good numbers he put up there have been a lot of big
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bonuses and all of those years and you know everything looked good
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but I just lately not that it doesn't look good anymore still looks good but
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said it's like what have you done for me lately what what improvements you made
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to the system uses a system people gonna put out they can put them on stories we
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have multiple stores we have other things like but it just doesn't seem
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like it's progressing like we've all been hearing the exact same complaints
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from the developer side of it for so many years and so I said that aside
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because a lot of people who cares but developers I don't care by developers
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Apple should I care about users you know uses you come back above developers I
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think that's right users do come about developer censured because there are
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many many more of them but it's it's related because like I was using you
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won't be like I don't care what developers think about pressure on the
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App Store and at the same time you had perot why isn't there more software
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update it for it
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wisest thing that I downloaded the throw afternoons ever gonna support that
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doesn't work but but like I'm saying set that aside for a second just totally
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believe in an important to set it aside I really do feel that from the user's
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perspective the App Store as experienced by the user just talked about a mark on
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the App Store as experienced by users of Apple TV or you know just as a user
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going to the App Store finding stuff feeling feeling good and comment about
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the things that you find there I i think that is has not progressed and the sort
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of cess pit stop it
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have gotten deeper and more dangerous the suspects of free-to-play you know
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all those mechanics and taking money from people and the cesspit of at this
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point sort of single use unsupported applications that are clogging up your
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search results and make it much harder to find the one or two good at some
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things like they always brag about how many apps they have once that number got
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like six or seven digits it stops being a plus or minus I don't want ten million
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applications I don't want one million applications even 200,000 applications
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like seriously you know those all can't be winners
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there's a lot of so should reject more things from the store whatever but like
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at a certain point the number of applications you have becomes a problem
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to solve nothing to brag about their problems are solved is you know Amazon
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has probably millions of products that I find it easier to find decent things on
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Amazon you know because they review system is better than Apple's because
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they're people like this like that as a little bit better you know like all the
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parts that have to do with dealing with lots of products and presenting it to
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users that part of the experience of being a user of Apple products has you
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know again because we think it just hasn't gotten a much better in years and
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years and years and so that that is an area I feel like no matter what you
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think about you have to say we are not progressing fast enough I turn off
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competitors are nipping at their heels or whatever but if you can make that
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experience better as the show but the answer to begin with you can make that
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experience better that can do really big things for your bottom line and your
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customers that interview developer satisfaction
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letting developers be able to respond to reviews or contact people anonymously r
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like it just does it that's low hanging fruit is not even that big a deal and
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yeah well that's you know we can't do that just came out it's been years like
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one give you one of those a year for five years and it would make a much
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bigger and I know they did things that is mentioned the bundles and in-app
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purchases arguably are an important thing in subscriptions and opening the
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stuff that used to be used and only up like they have done some things but it
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just it just feels like stagnation and i dont i dont feel good doing it after
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these days I know exactly where I'm going and if I can't get a direct link
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week 60 minutes and Charlie Rose did a not really an interview but a feature on
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Apple and they were afforded a little bit more access than most TV crews are
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afforded have you guys seen this no of course not I did but about football
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pushed it off the end of my TV episode was arrested on on CBS is there whatever
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never good as their terrible website to maybe watch market but I didn't see what
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I can do that I can go to their tireless if you stupid football pushes the show
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out and your TV doesn't correctly just because stupid football ran long not
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enough time for TiVo to get updated guide information then you can watch as
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much as you can you TiVo and then I just always assume I can go to the website of
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the television show on my stress it and then behold I could as long as I was
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willing to watch like seventeen of the same commercial before I could move the
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little play head up to the point where I left off so anything about football
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can take the speed I'm not gonna take this page is not based on their TV
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schedule isn't their TV schedule I feel like a football runs long it should
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switch to the football football overflow channel anyway I'm still so the feature
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I it is worth watching although I don't think any revelations came from it
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accepting apparently read it seemed to think that a MacBook as shown in the
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background 44 seconds with some new Mac which it was supposedly it wasn't it was
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like this is the best part of it let's assume that it was so what happens now
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like let's stipulate for the for the purpose of this conversation that there
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was a different MacBook in the background now what happens nothing
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happens it looks like it open to close it has a screen and a keyboard can you
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buy one do you know what's in it
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no point less do you know what they're doing like look I like is coming out in
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the spring / winter / summer / God knows when it's coming out soon become to the
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huge power savings the retina MacBook Pro design is gonna be about four years
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old but I'ma comes out there gonna take advantage of this kind of the power
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savings and they're going to make the stupid thing thinner and it's going to
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be fine I'm gonna complain about the keyboard in the battery life in the
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first extract that on buying one and they're going to be the same as we have
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now but thinner and cool looking at maybe in space crinkled or not or or or
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they can have amazing features that but not be visible on the screen looks like
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a laptop I just like you know like I will agree right now that that was a
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brand-new under these products in the background and now what happens that we
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just sit here and smile I gotta understand anyway john Kasay interrupted
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you yes so there wasn't that much that I thought was really remarkable about the
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about the piece but I thought we should note that we that while two-thirds of us
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have seen it the one thing that I thought was really interesting was Dan
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Riccio saying and I'm gonna put it in front of me even a tenth of a millimeter
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of thickness is sacred to us and this was with regard to the MacBook one but
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probably pretty telling about a whole set it to you about these sorts of
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things in general so that's the thing that's the thing that we've been
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lamenting for a while I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that there
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are quote that stuck out to me was in there talking to johnnie I was getting
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into his his Jony ive mode where he is very passionate about things I think the
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question was something about like did you feel like that Apple could become
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complacent insular something like that
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his answer was basically like I like all the things they say these are answers
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that anyone who follows Apple's heard before
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just repeated contacts and it was the giant have answer from polio which
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averaged I believe that you like BS this is the same question is a million times
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like every you know any famous person has to and his answer to this one is but
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not really looking at what we like we're not satisfied with what we do like so
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we're not gonna be like oh just set of you know leaned back in just a phone it
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in or whatever and we're not comparing ourselves to what else is out there and
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other people's products we compare ourselves to is always this ideal this
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perfection that we have in our own minds over chasing chasing perfection our own
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internal
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you know intrinsic motivation the ideal that we have in our mind and that's what
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we're chasing and I believe that because it shows in their products that seemed
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to have that seem to be chasing some ideal that it has had their minds and
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don't involve certainly too many looks at what other people are doing which is
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fine but also maybe not too many looks at how people use these things in the
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real world you know like his answer makes sense but it hinges entirely on
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what is that ideal you're chasing in as articulated through many white
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background movies over
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years the idea that the journey I was always said that he's chasing has good
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and bad aspects of the Dubai is like a look obvious that has to seem like it's
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nothing better than all the stuff I haven't seen a lot of interviews where
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can sixty Minutes interview you know basically it's going to be people you
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them like labor practices parking money overseas popularity of products secrecy
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see if they change but what I always wanted to know what we all want is
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people who are on our listeners program is deeper questions like so I think
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group interview with shelter pursued this a little bit on the whole figure
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with developer license then they would you like to pursue to have follow-ups to
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you know practical features I'm sure all the engineering people manufacturers
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telling them practically speaking you do this music now can we figure out a way
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to do this like that that's what I was talking about you know fractions of
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millimeters there is a tension between what can be done what is able to be
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manufactured one of the economical what is beautiful what is our economic is
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there something it's both beautiful and ergonomic and obvious and durable and
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stays beautiful for a long time like this this is that's what design is all
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tradeoffs about how he figures out where that balance is not in vague terms of
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getting into specifics because i think is the most interesting thing about
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design and Jony ive had never talks about it maybe is never going to be good
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secrecy type thing he doesn't give you a cute window into his mind but if you
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retired and I can get him on the spot kathy has been the entire show just like
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trying to figure out how they did that bounced and what factors do we not
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understand that are involved in this and are there problems that we see that he
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doesn't and other problems that he knows are issues that we never see it take for
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granted and that would be a much more interesting interview then loads on 60
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minutes but then again it sixty minutes so I think my expectation for that were
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even lower than Star Wars or Star Wars that you people have been saying good
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things about it the people involved for good
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abrams you know George Lucas wasn't involved it seemed like your
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expectations should have been at least middle of the road
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well let's just say the last three Star Wars movies estaba not the best I know
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but there's the whole different set of maybe don't know but the whole route
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it's it's even bigger than the dq Phil Schiller thing all people out new people
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attention all that stuff I didn't expect much from it because the last few hours
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movies I've seen have been terrible effects that they didn't they didn't
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just shuffle things around a little bit
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complete change of hands new people in charge entirely everything on the
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internet comes back to these days that's what you have to say just go see
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tomorrow how are you the one who has it seems like it's somehow market has been
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to the new I don't understand what's going on today
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bizarro world it is bizarre it's a Christmas miracle
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this is our Christmas to tell me that hops on should have brought him he would
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have enjoyed it
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god no no we need we need a babysitter 'cause we have like a baby now we're all
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a cold and boring and no but you have family close by
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make this happen but you're kidding preschool actually the theater when I
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went to an Alamo Drafthouse we delete this account like hipster the
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interchange but I inadvertently booked a baby showing they did they do like baby
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ok showing they allow people to bring babies and if they cry lol
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not happy about this but it turned out at the matter there is like one big hole
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through the crowd like ones but it wouldn't matter but that might exist
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near you if you can find that that is the kind of thing you would have around
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that area around me now
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now there's no Alabama Drafthouse cinema near here at least an hour away
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welterweight look at look at me look at local theaters to see if they have any
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leak BB showings of movies I think some theaters are in to do that now I went to
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an art show was great what does that include as they only know you know
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people who are dressed up for people who think seriously about ever dressing up
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for people who could safely be friends with someone who dresses up very
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respectful there that's how I thought the only way to do it
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did they market it that way or is it just now but it just happens naturally
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we congregate I clearly am NOT a card-carrying nerd as I have no idea
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when that would be if you saw it on the 17th and especially if you saw it either
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the very first showing more like a ridiculously late showing the known sane
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person would ever go to your house at three and its fine arts is the best so I
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guess we're done talking about this
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60 minutes thing to be honest I have no I have nothing else to add I mean it was
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it was interesting to watch it's probably worth the twenty thirty minutes
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of your time assuming that you live in the united states I I saw something
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fly-by on Twitter that it's it's locked down to the USB cuz reasons but it is
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worth your time it don't expect anything monumental I also watched their what
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interesting or worthwhile the one thing I will say is that I was happy to see
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and clearance come out from the shadows
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they spoke to her a few times and I was very impressed with her I thought she
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was really really good which is what one would expect given that she was once the
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CEO they did have said there were there were some tidbits in there may be honest
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I know about this but one of the things they were shown like the model Apple
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Store like oh this is a test that our ideas for Apple there and there was one
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wall that had a bunch of foliage on it was very weird and I'm assuming no real
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Apple Store has that info have loved to see that like you know that travels are
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some ideas I would love to see that idea make it out of the model and be going to
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the Apple store and the like have one wall of the bunch of green vines hanging
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down and also the ones were like they had cases and you'd like the case was
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the poll on the thing lots of ideas there so that doesn't exhibit two
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seconds and the other reason to watch it that this will make you angry about 60
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minutes but interested in and seeing this as you get to see him go get fired
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up about keeping their money overseas and are stupid tax laws and labor
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practices and stuff it gets kind of angry sounds like a fun time to ask him
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some questions I always ask him and they don't like he probably game substantive
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he gave like very substantial thorough and answers to them
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we've heard him give those answers before I like an apple earnings calls
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and and the things he has four cycles and everything but in 60 minutes three
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sentences that they cut out of your big long comprehensive answer and there are
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three sentences man Tim Cook is the angriest and they don't explain anything
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in the move on to the next topic so it was really garbage from a perspective of
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like giving insight to anybody who doesn't know about these issues are you
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get the idea that we say this leading question
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angrily denies it I don't know what the truth is not a nation now it's time to
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ask about something else but it was interesting to see Tim Cook leaning
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forward in his chair and getting probably the most sort of worked up I
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never seen him
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you know public scenario that would have loved to have heard but Steve Jobs are
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said to the same things that he would have had a smirk more of a smart
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investing in earnest so either way there was no information like you couldn't
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draw any conclusions for now like Tim Cook I'm sure gave a good answer but
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sixty minutes just is not going to air it which is a real shame I would love to
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see you interview on 60 minutes John and it just seemed like how the heck they
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would at the guy feel I feel for those guys because they're getting interviewed
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you know half an hour 20 minutes 45 minutes to an hour and they're gonna
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take literally five sentences and that's what they're going to buy sentences five
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of the most dramatic sounding sentences with no surrounding context and is
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nothing you can do about you can explain yourself before you can explains that
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they're just gonna pull them out and that's what people are going to see in
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just like wow they even agree to it why would they agree to be at least they
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have no control over what the sentences are I don't like it
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this is honestly this is why I haven't rushed to watch it because I figured
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like you know TV interviews are so low density he'd like there's so little
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content in them there's so much padding and time-wasting in them there's no
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smart speed it's also loadin sorry there is a my Tivo oh yeah of course there is
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basically and he disappeared to go on vacation and do whatever you wanna do
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what's per trans next thing I guess you never really leave I guess we're just
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leaving become like I don't know a venture capitalist or support other
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technology things anyway they called the rumor was that he was involved in some
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kind of start up and they were doing something having to do with computers
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and that's all anybody knew about it I didn't pay too much attention for health
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cuz they say you know if you have a cloud but translation on your web
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browser like a lot of what's going on here was doing some cloud and their
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computers and it's like how what is different about this company seem like
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they were saying they were going to store a bunch of stuff on their servers
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so you wouldn't have to start on yours
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looked at this every so often before the show and I cannot figure out what it is
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and why why do care about it and like the court upheld from the CEO was not be
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like the way to backup to vanish from dictionary we built a consumer cloud
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from the ground up oh here we go we questioned everything literally
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experiment a lot of the cloud to be the primary place for your data this summer
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Chromebook basis nothing on it that isn't already owns your Google service
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your Mac or wherever you want to be that's that's just like a local cash
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that's not where the toughest check your phone into the ocean
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who cares there was nothing on it anyway you're fine all your stuff is up there
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in the cloud and the like from the second quarters we experimented a lot
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they've been in stealth mode as they say for a long time so who knows what
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they've been doing behind the scenes but they do have a beta program and I'm on
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the beta and
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its public pay-per-view sign up for it I don't you know and they have a couple
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applications Mac application and as an iOS application of the ones I use them
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and it's like there were loud bang sign up they already have two factor
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authentication error that was really nice out of the gate because if you're
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gonna be a cloud thing I can add that I can your fifth year something is
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important to have it now and then I want you to put stuff into the crowd and they
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have like an easy button press it's like hey do you want to put your photos liver
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into the crowd and it's my photos library now like the family once a month
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or is likely only has like 10,000 Photo Center something like sure to go take
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those you know like I mean a lot of this going on just trusting Bergeron
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certainly not lady company or whatever and drag files into it whatever just
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whatever funds I told to pull my photos library just let it do its thing
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do it was to have the phone in the application launches like an option that
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says don't don't let your phone go to sleep when applications in the
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foreground because he gets up loads better faster when the application is
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running in the foreground I know that was an option but apparently it is it
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anyway they got everything uploaded there they have a camera application as
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well which is kind of getting more into have a source to work it's a camera for
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your phone and you launch this application instead of luck in nineteen
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Apple's camera application you take pictures but instead of the pictures
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going on to your phone the pictures go directly into the cloud and if it's
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there is you'll never feel your phone with pictures you know that's that's a
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real thing that a lot of people have smartphones do is they take pictures
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take pictures take pictures and they thought their phone and I was storage
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management is such that there is not a real easy way out of that without you
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need to have an iPod photo library
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that turned on do you have a Mac and you know that their thing is never gonna
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throw your phone because we don't put the pictures on your phone you take
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pictures and we need to upload them now obviously everything that up there is
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predicated on you having a network connection like a network connection
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being somewhat reliable and somewhat you know having a reasonable amount of
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bandwidth so its authority looking play where the future is not going to be
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doing stuff local anything how to sync it the future is going to be pushing
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everything up that that's a pretty safe bet what it all comes down to that with
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that it's like whatever you're like uploading stuff to a server somewhere
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who cares what it all comes down to his execution how well does uploads doctors
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think ever get stuck does can access go through all 10,000 I pictures how long
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does it take for the thumbnail slowed and I don't know what exactly they're
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doing tech wise because the website is not eliminating I would imagine since
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they've been still thought a really long time but they're trying to do is come up
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with a better interface then like the application uses posits a pas de deux
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synchronous io to your local disk and then some demon process wonders the file
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system and like Dropbox or whatever and finds things and opens an HDB connection
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and shoves the files wanted time to our servers like that's the old way of doing
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things I don't know if they're doing exactly that or if they are you know I'm
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imagining sorry is it more interesting abstractions where instead of going
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through a POSIX file i/o API they have their own file i/o API that does
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intelligent things like better support for streaming and batching of multiple
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things and like you know handling failures better and being a synchronous
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and asynchronous my default being multithreaded and being able to use
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multiple connections and handling like that's what I'm imagining is behind the
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scenes but the bottom line is it uploaded all my pictures and when I
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scroll through them I can scroll through all of them and the thumbnails load and
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you know pretty fast and when you go to the IRS usage screen to see how much
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disk space the up their obligations taking up it's like nothing like 90
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Megabus so I think it really is streaming all the stuff in real time
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from the cloud as they say
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and like the picture on their website is storing our entire digital lives photos
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videos music and documents in a single place that it's always accessible
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growing evolving ready to share their sharing stuff is in better than Apple
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already there that you can make like something called loop we can have
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multiple people putting their foes into a single bucket right and so you know
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you could do that
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family photo library where the whole family could have camera applications
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every picture they take to go into one giant shared thing people can contribute
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is like it just seems like a forward-looking way to do everything and
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is a Malaysian good just because they have 5 beta testers and all five of us
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our connection to their supermassive be terrible and as a million people could
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the scale to be the size of I kappa music or like a photo I have no idea all
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I know is that whatever the heck they're doing it's working and Apple should buy
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them because it's better than everything Apple is doing even though they're not
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going to upload pictures yes can I see them all guests can scroll through the
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store any files on my iPhone not as far as I can tell so it does what it says on
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the tin and it's pretty impressive I have been on the beta for like a week or
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two now because I didn't get a clear read on what the intention is for the
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app in fact you describing it as give me a much better understanding than than
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the very little bit of documentation I read I didn't know to make it seem like
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the Mac App it has some tabs on the left has flow which I guess is just kind of a
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good news feed sort of thing it has photos and videos music and documents
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and it's not i mean i understand what those words mean I understand that
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presumably I'm supposed to start chucking things in these buckets but it
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was entirely clear to me what the long-term plays here and I understand
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that a lot better it seems to work well like you said I mean I'm not I haven't
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really tried much with it but there's plenty of stuff there and it certainly
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is streaming things from the cloud like you said very quickly so initial
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impressions by me were confusion but happy confusion of that if such a thing
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now that I've heard you talk about it I'm very interested to play with the iOS
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appetite never bothered to download maybe that's half my problem very
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interested to play with that and see how it goes but it wouldn't surprise me if
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this was in some ways just an acquisition play to see if Apple was
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feeling desperate to get away from web checks and and and hire a team that can
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that can solve this problem once and for all
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presumably like that it's a tech glad that it's not just that they've done
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like I said they did you exact same thing everyone else is doing just using
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HTTP connections with Tara libraries and doing local file i/o and just like you
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doing that slightly better than you know one percent better than everyone else it
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seems like the only reason this could ever be a startup is someone has some
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good ideas about how to abstract the file system on the network in a way that
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accounts for the modern world news not like backward-looking like it to some
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degree like even drop boxes that it's just a bunch of local files on desk and
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it is another process that watches and moves them up and down and I and i wanna
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talk about something else like surely it is not loading we just on the time
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surely it is you there
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chucking them up or streaming them down or like it's not making a new connection
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everyone definitely right house dealing with like the size of the thumbnails and
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Mike just and and how is it
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house keeping up with my scrolling and knowing which things it wants to to load
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and stuff like that and then right now the beta whatever like I'm not putting
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anything that nothing is only in my entire photo library they really smart
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save this one but impressive on to things like the only upload your photo
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library right i mean you don't use photos so you didn't see that but there
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wouldn't be useful to you but for me unlike fine go ahead because it's it's
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just reading from the photos library keep in sync with it and everything too
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and same thing when I wanna take photos with the regular Apple camera app it
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like a million other apps like member they did drop box camera operator will
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try to see when you take pictures with your photo app
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of those using it now as a toy to play with every once in awhile to see what
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the performance like trying to figure out what the what the heck they're
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actually doing behind the scenes and yet another free backup for all my photos
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near the small of my life not the big lie thought about signing up my wife
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bought and and trying to put the big library
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up to the thing to see if it would choke on that because 10,000 is that they have
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a challenge but about sixty or seventy thousand now can you but maybe I'll do
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this is torture test but I would never burn it only anything only end up there
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and you know business model and it's all free basis of knows what they would
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charge the stuff so it's still a big question mark
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pricing is a pretty big question mark going like that that matters a lot to
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how how many people will even bother trying to adopt in the first place
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because vote libraries can be quite big and if you're talking about like storing
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all my stuff up there all my documents or even many of my documents plus all my
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photos plus you know I can immediately that gets very big very quickly
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especially if you've any video shooting but their explanation and the people
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behind making things like the obvious that they would take that into account
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the whole idea is that the old way of doing the other way that everybody else
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is doing them with sort of using eighties and nineties text to solve my
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problem is really in the future for the future over everybody as ubiquitous fast
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connections but as you know getting closer every day that they are coming at
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it from that perspective they you know they must have smart solutions for not
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just the API and how to write applications into this bag and but how
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the backend work how it hosted how it scaled how you know what the economics
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are how much does it cost for us to host X amount of data can we undercut
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everyone else prices by using better technology because we can more
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efficiently store they got him again they don't tell you it's their secret
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you know whatever I have no idea what it means but all I can look at is the front
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and the front end seems to work more smoothly than every other friend and I
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try to be there be Dropbox or Microsoft's one drive thing or Google
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Drive or like we've all tried all these different things
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casa so many different services that it that are like this and you know they're
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good ones I use Dropbox all-time like they're not they're not bad but this
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impressed me with just how sort of no nonsense and smooth it is and how I
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don't even know how they're doing it how like how is that I'm able to scroll
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through ten thousand photos and the thumbnails like they're not they're
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instantly there's little white squares initially but they pretty fast ball
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screens on this I don't have no idea how it's doing that but it's pretty
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impressive
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assuming that this actually becomes a thing and and launches to the public
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some kind of business model is one thing would you obviously they don't want to
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be your cloud backup service they want to be your primary storage and possibly
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your only stories therefore cos is there even easy way to like maintain a local
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copy of everything or do they really not want to do that that's what I'm getting
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at I don't know like maybe that's the long-term plan obviously the right now
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they are perfectly willing to be on everest they will pull in content and
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sit like you don't have to manually so I took some new photos with my phone like
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they were every time you launch the app it will sync up any new photos you've
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taken any time at anything to my photos I'm not using up there at this point but
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up there is every time I launch it is playing all that stuff in so it's a
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great sort of on-ramp like that they they want to make it easier for people
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to lunch at that and say we know you have elsewhere and probably you want to
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keep yourself elsewhere and probably going to deal with elsewhere but we're
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here too and they would have to sort of get you into the flow by saying we're
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cheaper than your other hosting a more reliable than photos eventually become
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trustworthy I mean realistically speaking depardieu by somebody for any
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of this happens but look impressive but you know I don't see any reason why they
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would you getting out of things like would you would you ever like put your
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stuff in there would you trust it as primary stories because they're trying
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to get rid of backups I don't know that I could do that well I mean like its
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aspiration obviously get rid of backups because if immediate your datacenter and
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stuff right so where is gonna have a nice have you know my my backups and my
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Time Machine and I clone and and the question of can you have locally copies
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were yep I just keep using photos and I have one of them access to always have a
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low copy the photos and have 17 backups of that including online like that's the
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way I will continue to go but I could see for example not enabling the the
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thing that lets you know that whatever the iCloud photo library lets you see
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your entire library on your phone because it's too onerous or maybe an
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enabling but never going to like for example when someone says I like I can
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be accessed 04 Leverkusen as someone
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ask questions like What did you know you could look like when he was three years
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old right I like being able to launch a thing on the phone and go to the year
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and say you know I have access to everything I think this year but it's
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lowered to do that with iCloud photo library than it is to do that with up
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there just because it is I can go to the year faster and faster and you know like
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that's that's a win for me of that that takes over that role where I no longer
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go to photos to look at my photos I just go up there because the same things are
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both places and has nothing to do with that said whatever it's a long road from
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there to the aspirational goal of like a week it by yourself and that's right but
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I i truly believe in that state not the end of backups but maybe in the backups
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for regular people like where you could get it to the point where it's reliable
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on redundant enough that you won't be a big thing about now you're obsessed with
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people like have you ever backed up your phone
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have you enabled like that for a library if I run over your phone with the car
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are checking into the ocean
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did you just lose the pictures of your infant child has now five years all
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because you never impede your phone before the whole problem filling your
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phone with photos like all those concerns I would like to be addressed
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then go adding Android is better to dressing down Apple's catching up with
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the photo library and up there is trying to say we're out we're way out here at
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the extreme where you guys want to be and I'm selling it as a competition
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between implementations really at this point and their implication looks pretty
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they slept for three sponsors this week
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Leinart fracture and Harry's and we'll see you next week
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now the show they didn't even mean to begin to see it was accidental
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accidental
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and a team are cool
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I do about plugging it is quite good
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magical you spent well maybe you didn't spend any money this week Marco but you
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kid yourself to spending some money sometime soon you wanna tell us about
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that I spent son is a deposit yes so in order to test left and you lost the bet
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I know I I knew already that I lost the bet nobody else did the bet was in there
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in the winnings were just bragging rights
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the bet was that Marco would absolutely get the performance version of whatever
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testified that he ended up buying and that's because Marco doesn't typically
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know how to do halfway on anything as it turns out I lost the bet and you did not
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get a p90 D or E
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p90 no deal whatever it is I forget the different permutations what did you end
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up getting I want to run run through the set up with us I got the 9th ed so it is
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approximately m5 speed and maximum range available in a test today it's white
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because it's the only color cars can be in getting its read my first non
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dark-colored car in a long day ever really my first non black car in a
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decade at least so red Tesla 9th ed is coming in late March when my lease is up
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but I ordered it now to get take advantage of some discount they were
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running before the year was nineteen silver cyclone wheels I know in in the
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pictures so I can read you can argue that the dark colored wheels would
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probably look better and in pictures they do first of all I think up-close
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look a little bit flat like it they almost look like painted plastic I know
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they're not just like the finish on them is kinda like flat a little bit dull
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they also because it is just like you know i didnt color coding on top of a
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regular one of these made it a steel aluminum metal depends anyway so
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whatever metal it is probably aluminum the dark colored wheels any kind of curb
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rash anywhere any scratches whatsoever on them that bright color metal below
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just shines right through and you can see everything and and sure enough I get
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whatever i'd i'd be a Tesla dealer looking at these things they would often
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be customer cars park
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in the lot like you know just getting service to people visiting to cooking
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utensils or whatever and every car I saw in person that was a customer-owned car
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that had dark wheels on it had very visible scratches on those people can
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just drive just can't drive went past a black model S today with the big dark
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colored wheels at the supermarket their red brake calipers too I think there are
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no scratches on the yeah if it has the red calipers that is AP model it was
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tempting to spend twenty grand extra just for red calipers but I did not get
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a lot more than red calipers but point noted will but obviously so you get the
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red calipers and you get the faster rear-ended another has the details of
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the two engines the rear engine is faster but those are actually the only
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two differences plus you get less range but like the suspension is all the same
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everything else about the cars the same I've confirmed with multiple people from
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my drive and it totally is certainly seems that way the the only thing
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different is the engine the red calipers and you the option for a spoiler on the
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back of a hate you got red you got the 19 inch super cyclone wheels what other
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options he said ninety days ninety black interior sunroof auto pilot range
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upgrade premium interior the big national seats I did not get the smart
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air suspension this I was going to and i did some reading and did some research
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and it sounds like the air suspension really does make the car feel more like
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a cushy or softer ride and I did not think that that was even when I wanted
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let alone worth $2,500 extra on the purchase price even the leasing still it
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would be out paper behalf of that so i didnt get smart air suspension I want a
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more firm sporty ride and I did not get the ultra high fidelity sound because I
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I did a back-to-back tests of those in the showroom an Patel's very little
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difference in the two sound system than either of them sounded great to me like
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they presented honestly pretty mediocre
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I figured I might as well not spend extra money on mediocrity I did get the
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sub-zero weather package because they live in a place with bill seasons and
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did not get the rear facing seats because for the next three years of this
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lease will cover my wife I decided that we would probably not be comfortable
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with our kid in those seized during this age period by enough to make it worth
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getting them for an extra $3,000 where'd you get as the interior trim like accent
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get but carbon fiber looking you know that was actually a tough call the
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carbon fiber looks decent but kinda like hurt my eyes and anticipate you hear
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matters a lot because she has the passenger usually when I'm driving she
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sees the trim way more than I do cuz it's as big strip right front passenger
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side and in the driver side you don't really see much of it so she didn't care
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for the carbon fiber so you know that was fun
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the two would like a basically a glossy and matte what I didn't look at the map
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so I was basically I between glossy wood and the piano black the piano black my
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current car has that I know I like it is very nice that being said it shows
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fingerprints and scratches like crazy but I decided ultimately I would rather
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have your printed piano black trim
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like it better I'd rather have that than perfect glossy wood trim and stoked I am
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yeah I'm actually looking forward to 20 something new I mentioned before I love
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having him five it's been great I do however miss although Dr yes I know
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they're adding it to the next model but it isn't there now I also mentioned
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earlier that I really want a quieter car BMW does not currently sell a quieter
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car that has all wheel drive that has a transmission that I would tolerate said
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maybe the is is 335 extra is still available and stick you know I don't
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know it's a 340 now anyway but I honestly don't know I would think not
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think I think it might be that would probably only option 25 sears is totally
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out of 5 Series you can't get that you can't you can get a stick with I would
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drive if at all anymore and you can't deceive any the five series and I will
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not drive the Sprott oh yes I've driven it and no it is not the same as if the
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test is it in some ways it's not as good as as the m5 and I'm not expecting it to
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match it in a luxury feel feat
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jurors the interior is more luxurious feeling no question and very much going
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to miss the heads up display and the top-down parking camera that since the
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last real-time follow-up you can get a 340 i xDrive with a manual transmission
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ok so that is the only other car BMW makes that would consider getting right
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now to the new lineup but that also I I really don't like the F 33 series
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honestly I don't like it I don't like the steering system I don't really care
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for the way it looks and and I think the interior has actually gotten lower
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quality in certain ways in the previous three series and the lack of the All
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button on the climate control just kills me that is really insane I don't know
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why you're not shopping Mercedes at this point you never talk never talked about
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Mercedes but he's now safely within the most diverse cities you know market I I
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did I i recent trip I actually I rented a Mercedes guy I was on a trip about a
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year ago I had to rent a car and I rented a e-class their version 5 Series
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yeah yes I rented and eat something something it was like the v-6 roughly
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300 horsepower like they basically their version of 335 early 535 I wouldn't say
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that but yeah anyway so I rented that a driver for a few days and it was a
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really nice driving car but definitely not for me overall I think they I think
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first of all I don't care pharmacies designs very much at their little bit
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dated for me well when you say that you mean exterior design yes host I think
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they've gotten pretty lili although that being said the brand brand brand new
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ones are very bubbly and I'm not as into that but up until about this year the
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year prior
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there was like a five-year stretch where they went from really really really
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boring to actually very pretty but for me it's a non-starter because they don't
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believe in three pedals I know but like but he doesn't have three pedals anymore
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anyway he has a has introduced as I understand like I feel like a Mercedes S
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Class like when you come back from your hangover by then the S Class might be
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like it might be I don't know but I also I I really don't care for the mercedes
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media system change every year but he's not received at five years or whatever
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but yeah I know they're all they're all terrible and yeah I mean I'm not saying
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to be tested forever I'm saying we are going to be tested for the next three
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that's the police cars but so I i am looking forward to trying something new
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to try and electric to it being a truly different and I'm seeing as I said when
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I drove them to at least feeling modern really filled with today and you know in
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30 in three years and I have to choose my next vehicle whether I get another
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test or something else by that time there will probably be more options or
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or more compelling
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options from the other luxury brands right now there really isn't much there
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will definitely be there forever they've all got a test
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fighters in in the works like that that Porsche concept looks really nice
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honestly I don't know if that will get that would pan out into something and
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god knows how much it will cost to it does but it does look really nice on
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paper at least we'll see what happens with Mercedes and BMW and Audi and I you
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know and you know even accurate any anybody else we'll see what happens in
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their electric department right now as I have to make a decision right now
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Tesla is by far my favorite option of what I was available right now I'm
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excited for you should be really awesome to be sad to not have you personally in
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the BMW family anymore but at least your family will still be a BMW family don't
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worry I'm sure at some point we'll be back there is a lot about the way BMW
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does things that I do prefer you know I do prefer not having a giant touch
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screen I think you know it will see again we'll see what happens when I get
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it but I do think I'm gonna prefer still haven't hardware knobs two giant screens
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if given the choice I do certainly like a heads up display and I do like the BMW
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quality interior and that's in the 5 series so maybe eventually there will be
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and all-electric 5 series that will be really compelling that will be nice to
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me that because that will eliminate the problem I have with the regular 5 series
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of having a transmission I hate if they can move to not having a transmission
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that does solve the probable we'll see what happens
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did you ask people if the model is designed for short trips can get
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examined her will is designed for that chicken salad John thing on my stomach I
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prefer XO Why What yeah this is worse than the windows thing I'm not against
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my go-to I would get cinnamon raisin bagel with egg salad on it wrapped up in
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wax paper and then cut in half through the wax paper as you know as a proper ok
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there are so many things wrong with this kid Kerr first of all is similar raisin
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bagel does not belong with any of the salads that is that is it illegal
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combination you're wrong you are so about that you don't know what you're
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missing john you're out of your mind
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second of all eggs salad only belongs on bread not bagels because it is such a
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soft feeling that you bite into a bagel it squeezes out I understand I
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understand the difficulties to hold the magic is getting that right
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it seems like it shouldn't work it seems like it should be a disaster that you
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would bite down at all we do is cause the bagel to choose digs out shooting
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out the side with an empty bag with but know it can be done we have the
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technology the wax paper is key
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you know your local deli that but you know I enrolled in during cutting
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basically right but they rapid really tightly and holding during cutting and
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you can move them back and eat it and it won't come shooting out the side and at
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the bagel is fresh and it's not like a stale big hard brick Cape thing you can
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actually buy it and not lose all of your Excel is a delicate balance I understand
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this is I haven't had a good one of those I don't know how many decades
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because ever be this terrible concept as a great content and is an advanced
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technique for you with if you want to make a bagel sandwich at home for
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example say you want a peanut butter and jelly on toast a bagel bitchez fabulous
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but I was
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to the bagel shop and that it was always a disaster whenever somebody order
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because that squeezes out like crazy I know I know let me give you a little
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billion toasted bagel home how can you possibly make that work it seems like it
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should work on all right you don't know now you do we have we have ways so you
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toast the bagel and then one half of it you sort of dig a trench for the judge
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to go and you don't play at all the insides leaving a trench then you put
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the Chilean the trench the peanut butter that legal
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