00:00:00 ◼ ► your shopping done I think but I haven't wrapped everything yet and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► always leaves me wondering like maybe I forgot something or somebody or I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► get enough for somebody or something so it's always a baseline level of stress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/11">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► mode is very worried about not having gotten somebody something or enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► that's why you have a spreadsheet to track these sorts of things that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/19">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► be wise if I was thinking that far ahead yes I will I agree that that's the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/24">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► of thing I should do I assume john has just a series of scripts to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► what to buy people now I don't do anything I was thinking maybe you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► have just a large number of Windows I've met that would be merry you like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► like one window that has like 50000 tabs right in it that was just like one tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► for every person I've ever known for each gift that you might someday maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► wanna get them plus the one you did get them to the path for comparison a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► reference accident does make a lot of money that you need burndown chart for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► number of gifts you have to buy other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► burndown chart I was meant to say there's no way market knows that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► nice who doesn't like business yeah not suffer development thing but also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► business thing what happens in a burned-out try to me it sounds really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► fun and getting it isn't now it's not so you're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► think it's because they look like flames of hell like a layered bar chart but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► you're trying to make it go down to 0 like you're trying to make all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► different things like how many of Acts how many or how many of the little bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► over time trying to do is drop them all to hear anybody and he gets the call I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/84">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► in the midst of reconciling our visa bill which is making me mildly upset cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► it's the holidays like during the podcast I'm almost done if you want we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► can we can discuss watching paint dry as best they know this is hugely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► entertaining we can we can walk through a sort algorithm on the air and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/103">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► like an example data set of a house or diagram sorts it out on super fun yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► use this app called money while which is what a name just check your money down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/113">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► oh well I was like oh well at some point to leave right now it's a bucket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/117">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► full of money but anyway so I like for transactions away from reconciling my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/123">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► delightful because of the holiday season now I'm broke the fact that your holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/129">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► purchases are already on a bill you've received means that you are way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/135">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► ahead of the game that I well we should start with this is a monumental so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/139">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► is a Christmas miracle to the best of my knowledge and i am not presently looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► at the notes cuz I'm finishing writing spelling bees that bill but to the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► of my knowledge still just how long it will take to you sit here and wait watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/155">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► this and we can't watch has not seen anything boom reconciled done how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► it feel to be reconciled so great except now I gotta pay is not cheap but you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/165">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► reconciled that that is so it's like closure for all of your money or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► saying goodbye to all of your money in a fully closed state that's true you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/177">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► say I have some reconcilable differences but you reconcile them you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► reconcile differences away waiting for that market in but I guess you just give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/184">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► up that was pretty proud of that anyway what the crap we talked about earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/190">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► outside do we are doing not have follow-up I should take a screenshot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/198">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► our show notes where there is the heading follow up there is a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► bullet and there is nothing else runs on vacation I think we had a couple of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► shows were there was nothing that I can make something out of nothing but I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► anything to make up is everyone is off and went on to star wars and on vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► and follow-up to that end can we establish that I have not seen Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/218">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► and I presume marco hasn't either and so I do not wish to talk about it and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► not assume Marco never will so that's true well actually I wanted to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/227">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► this episode with with a bit of a game with a three truths and a lie on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/231">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► things from corporate america as ice-breaker they use so so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/238">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► here's here's three truths three statements of these are true and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► them is allowing you to figure out which one is the understatement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► any of our any of these things store spotless no number one I wrote my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/250">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► swift code not possible number two I played journey number three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/256">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► I went to see Star Wars and number for a start using Pinterest I went to see Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/263">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► Wars the line because martin Dempsey things Casey I would concur with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/269">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► but it's hard to vote against you actually writing like there's no way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► for this way if you're such an old man that there's no way but I would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► agree with John that that that is the line that you you you have not seen Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► Wars you should go with your instinct AC really useful Star Wars and I didn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/287">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► said what if I went today to a movie theater to see Star Wars wow how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/293">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► that help whose idea was that I'm flabbergasted was actually my idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► she was also planning on going anyway so it's kind of mutual did you do this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► so you can read the internet without worrying about spoilers or maybe tipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► it was worried about the policy will part of it was because I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/311">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► basically has no podcasts left my podcast player that I can play without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/316">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► everything that I haven't listened to this week is about Star Wars and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► listened to everything else so you actually concerned about hearing stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► suppose that means like otherwise you'd like whatever star respond with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/328">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► something I don't care I'm never going to say it was the greatest thing is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► know all of you Star Wars fans have been trying so hard to avoid spoilers to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/335">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► to ridiculous lanes I successfully avoided any split about the movie simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► by just not really caring about the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/343">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► I don't put any effort into avoiding spoilers but I went into the theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/347">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► today knowing nothing about being pleasantly surprised by everything in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► yeah i i i would say I've been avoiding spoilers but I haven't been going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/355">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► particular links to do so it's just if i seemed like a tweet fly by the looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► like it might be spoiler spoiler and then I'll just skip over it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► haven't been reading reviews or anything like that I'd ask friends that have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► it do you like it and that's all I've asked and you've got me some hints as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► the quality of the movie but I've not seen it I'm hoping the air and I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► able to see it maybe even tomorrow actually but but I'm still avoiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► spoilers and I think my time is running out because I think the Internet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► kinda collectively decided from what I can tell that shortly after Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► all bets are off in and everyone's going to talk about everything and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/391">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► that's part of why I went to see it because I'm fine ignoring major cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/395">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► events I've never seen any of Lord of the Rings never seen Harry Potter never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/399">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► seen Twilight anything like it looks like the big movie franchises have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/403">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► either never seen or seen some along time ago and never again let me help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► Lord of the Rings big waste of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► Harry Potter's pretty good reverse that please e-mail John anyway so but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► one this one felt very very important to my circles like more so than those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/418">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► ones did and also I i have seen movies I I did enjoy them you know I am A Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/424">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► Wars fandom is not like a massive star wars Star Wars fan in general so I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/430">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► want to see it at some point I was planning on watching it when it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► the video maybe or something I get on Netflix when I figure like it is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/439">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and it's so important you know in in the in the circles that I know I live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► that I figured I kinda had to go see it in the theater I should have gone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/448">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► plain states in retrospect the links you would go to to prevent yourself from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/453">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► writing any swift that should have been the opposite I mean you have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► through some serious mental gymnastics in order to get to the point that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► can justify not writing swift I didn't say I'm never ready for the time saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► no transcript yet but I do intend to learn it probably when 3.0 comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► next year because they're doing a bunch of big changes to lead up to that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► you could just change your mind about it recently like in the past like oh I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► you know that Pakistan was like I'm not gonna lie within the open source thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► came out and turned around so you're trying to do so but the real tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► that the fact that we're talking about star wars and that prompted you to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► the crystal I think so I mean I already had the list I mean I knew you played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/493">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► journey and other ones are easy so I was just down to the swept in the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► it just seems so crazy viewed actually the house and go to a movie theater to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/503">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► Pinterest thing didn't you didn't have any possible to Pinterest thing I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/509">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► know you to purchase and you know how do you know everybody here puppies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► that's right she did yes I I joined a bit I started to Pinterest account so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► could collect pictures of puppies watches and things I want to buy for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► house like pipe heating rap and the Icicle melting zigzag wired you put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/524">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► the roof exciting stuff if you find good good pipe wrap whatever you wanna call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/530">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► it tell me because I have stuff around my business stuff you put around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/535">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► pipes to keep the heat from Chris leaking out into the areas where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► know it's it's too late to print them from freezing if you have a pipe in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► uncertain space so it's like we have on the garage from forever ago its ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► you know two conductor cable too just like a heat wire that wraps in a coil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► around a pipe that runs through our garage is insulated said I could freeze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/555">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► that it has burned out and no longer heats so I'm looking at new solution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/557">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► that and they're all basically scaring me into either not doing it or having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► electrician do it because in all basically says that these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► insanely dangerous and you will start fires and they all require insulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► around the pipe and everything and yes I'm probably gonna actually outsources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► living in the northeast is the best because you have to worry about BS like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► not right but what you have really is is months of depressing evil terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/582">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► winter light season whereas I have this brief rest bit from from wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/588">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► weather with slightly less wonderful weather and then it's back to wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► weather again so you can you continue being smug up there and your when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► tundra and how that works out it was wonderful there we went there in July I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/601">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► was I was really wonderful whether you had there was one such it was very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/606">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► when you get here even for us it was extremely hot also order to test this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► week that's the big week for you I killed the web fun on your website which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/617">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► by the way I don't really agree with I think that whatever font you have going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► not making me happy no i i don't think I found a solution that I am experimenting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► with Google web font and might lead to a different web font because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/632">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► service I was using the the heifer and Co [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► their ideals and found them in a few benchmarks done by people have shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► that typically their web surfing is not as fast as type kid or some of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/646">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► big web services and not as fast as as self hosting and stuff and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► allow cell hosting they become a weird thing where they you have to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► their CDN but then it redirects to the font files on your server with no cache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/661">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► headers so that your meeting with clients make two requests one of them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► going back to your slow server and not to their CDN to actually get the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► files you know the big like 300 kilobytes where the files and no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► they're really good I really like this one fight they have a very nice funds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► over there but I'm going to look at other options now because they just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/679">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► was just too slowly if you look at the time with the network timeline in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► women's better time to taking during this page it's just insane and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/686">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► argue and I've heard many counter arguments for why i shouldn't worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► about the speed of my website loading most of it down to either that I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► like a secluded and then either pop it in or save it for the next load and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► it on the next load both of those I think so because they are good options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/704">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► just for you know user experience was like why why would I want to do either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► of this you know the other answer was why do you care it's just a blog it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/714">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► doesn't matter how quickly it looks and that's BS because not only does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/718">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► matter quite a bit how quickly pages load to whether people complete the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► loads but we're talking about loading a 300 kilobyte resource that requires two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/726">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► requests to be made before the patient even begin to look this is like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► head on mobile and when you have bad connections and everything that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► matter that really does add up to a significant delay we're loading a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► when you better big image because I can load after the pictures when you're on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► mobile connection that really matters and it turns out that my traffic like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► everyone's traffic is mostly mobile these days and you have to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► that when you're a blogger or any kind of content site especially a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► content site read by tech people you're gonna see a large portion of traffic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► mobile many of those people will be on cellular at the time they're loading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► yes it would be nice if I didn't have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/768">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► refunds on my site but also be nice if my page loads very quickly so I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/773">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► have to balance those things I think maybe doing typed it might be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/778">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► bit better because it's just a faster web host may be doing self hosting would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► be a little bit faster because then you know it could become the connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► little bit better than going off to a different host so we'll see I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► believe what led you to do all this because no disrespect intended it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/795">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► to me that you've kind of another abandoned but avoided writing posts for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/800">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► a while now I mean you'll you'll read your post to this show to under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► radar but I haven't seen a whole lot of real writing from you in a while outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/811">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► of you know when you had headphones or podcast Mike so what have you so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► what inspired you to just start paying attention again I was inspired by being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► forced by Dropbox right right right basically I use a Dropbox BlogEngine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► never hurt nobody else could you please don't use it it it's it's terrible but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► like it's good for me and the they they ended support for the version that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/835">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► probably ancient the the Linux class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► that I was using for Dropbox on my ancient server running its ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/843">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► distribution of CentOS I think 5.5 or something so it was running an old stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► an old version of their thing and I couldn't update it without upgrading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/852">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► some pretty big things like lives see and hear what he was basically saying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► the internet never agree Lipsy on a Linux system if you can help it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/861">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► kind of a problem so I migrated to my whole blog to a new server also I I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/866">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► every Linux is basically like yeah rock-solid runs forever it's great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► you want to upgrade it forget it please don't do this you really shouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/878">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► this you should never have great a Linux server but you know like never ever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/882">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► distribution that they all say that like don't do that the solution to upgrading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► a Linux server is to abandon it and make a new one so that is what I did it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/889">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► was already like in their mucking around with the guts of it and setting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► everything new and clean so I figured while I'm here let me also take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► opportunity to modernize its so so I switched over to https and everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/904">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► now a CBS I dropped the WWW prefix you know all this fun stuff to modernize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/910">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► side so part of that was let me I'm thinking about dropping a while it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► actually about to get bills annually and it was about to bill me again hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► and sixty bucks only know maybe this is a good time to reconsider whether I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► to keep using those funds let me try without it all that being said you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► right I have barely written anything on the site of any consequence in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► time in months really and you know part of that was the last time I wrote stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/936">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► about at pricing it went very very badly and support of that was just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/940">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► rethink what audience I want to be writing to who's reading this do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/945">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► really care do i do I want to be taking the risk of some of the things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/950">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► want to say to risk getting all the feedback from it and and being a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/955">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► named right over the internet and horrible ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► and starting about the drama and most of time just not worth it to me honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► anymore it's just not worth it I do want to keep writing but I'm I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/967">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► going through a process where I want to try to figure out what I want to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► writing on the site because having the kind of potentially controversial tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► topic discussions I think are better here where it's more human and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► know me better and and you guys are here to rebut and to provide your own answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/984">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► to things that I'm just not going off the deep end going crazy and getting all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► the trash I said something horrible without any kind of a bottle and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► developer help things I I would rather do that on under the radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/998">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► the other podcast they do with an affidavit Smith anything doesn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► there anything that is kind of helpful to developer economics i think im just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► not gonna reveal any more because it has proven not to be worth it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► have a lot to talk about I can blog about headphones and coffee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► microphone justify that I can I can talk about lots of other things without being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► at that controversial or at least controversial in those ways that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► been kinda burned by so I feel a figure out over time I i I have noticed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► not writing anything of substance in awhile is not making me feel good and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► it actually making me a worse podcaster because as you can tell by this long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► rambling thing I kinda not only do I have liked more to say that like builds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► up in me all week and I like spewed I don't want a podcast and that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► but also made my argument on the podcast are getting less coherent and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► organized I i think that is because parsing 11 sick for like three weeks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► partially because I think not writing is actually making three arguments in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► more weakly structured or more weakly organized it that makes sense that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► right and don't publish it that's one way to do it or like a private email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► list or something like that that might be a good idea I'm not sure if it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► be as good if you if you only surround yourself with people that agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► more that want to to read it or if you're a poor writing for something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► is such a small audience possibly have just you then I think you you lose the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► ability for people to improve you in in constructive ways and I think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► be unfortunate and when it would not give the writing as much value to me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► as it would for you know those in public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► gonna give you a constructive improvement but I just realized my just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► because I'm just check reload I didn't see the name of the CSS if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► think it's now just chrome nevermind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► gonna complain that the new fund your chosen apparently didn't have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► for the cloud icon the EU's next the streaming heading in the overcast to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► post but it's it's a black lab looks like a little tired but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► nevermind carry on I don't understand why everyone loves cum so damn much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► close to sealing successfully so they've got that going for ya well see I turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► off her name but she may have found somebody had found a way to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► defaults write for Tweetbot which I know is not use John but to do it defaults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► write to just direct to the actual URL instead of a Chico linked quarter were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► calling them and then that that made everything a million percent better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► all of the issues that so many people seem to have a safari I genuinely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► never run into them but you haven't got the one the new one in capitan where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► the entirety of the window chrome becomes inert like you can't put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► insertion point the address bar you can't click the window with just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► can't look in the toolbar buttons you can't use the scroll bar got that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► twice a week now no but remember that I have a scene amount of taps open I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► have 3,000 windows and 4,500 taps to browser windows open then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► and one of them is dead again I'm sure that these people who say that so far is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► a piece of crap I'm sure they're saying that for a reason but darned if I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► why because my experience does not match with that I just I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► chrome is bad outside of the piss-poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► just awful emoji support I don't think from is bad I don't I don't feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► brings anything to the table that I care about and again I'm sure that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► they're all sorts of chrome like die hard chrome plans that are firing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► email clients right now they're not the reason gmail is exactly probably using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► Gmail to rate me some sort of nasty gram but the things that chrome did better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► than than Safari and maybe that's true I'm not saying that they're wrong but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► my personal experience I have never thought to myself you know what I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► wish I could use Chrome for this because it does whatever better though I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► run both are you so far as my primary I used to use from Nice to like use one at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► work one home so I got it would be up to them and now you are now for a while the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► primary chrome is my is my flash isolation area but anyway but chrome is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► it has always been very consistent for me with performance with reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► everything safari is all over the map with every new version so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► sometimes so far is great for a while sometimes Safari gets slower buggy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► inconsistent or crashes or something for a few releases and in my experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► chrome is just way more consistent also I think from has the better web dev [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► tools most of the time so we'll see anyway we will hear from all the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► people and what they think because I believe has more market-driven safari in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► pretty much every bite by anyone's metric and pretty sure it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► substantially had a safari now so that the world has voted just like they used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► to vote for Compaq Dell computers that those are the best side so not speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► of things that are awesome why don't you make us happier after mentioning compaq [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► in Delhi and tell us about something that is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► there's a company out there that I have just talked about for the first part the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► part that's quite a bit and it's called line owed or Linode I don't even know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► it's Linux cleanness Leinart I don't know but I say line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► node it's a webhost it's been around for a long time now and I have been honored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► customer myself for quite a long time I think he like six or eight years at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► least I've been there awhile I have done a lot of web hosts in in my time I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► used a lot of them big and small from from you know as tough as big as hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► the first four years of tumblr at a at a huge host all the way down to hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► little private sites for myself and my friends everything over the years I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► light line owed so much and they've gotten so good that I now hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► everything that line and I think I have one dedicated server left somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► for some artillery attacks only because I haven't gotten around to it yet it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► such a great host and I you know they can't pay me to say this I'm saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► honestly as me I was hoping to get them as a sponsor because I've used them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► forever and I really do genuinely liked them and recommend them in my opinion it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► is the best value in web hosting today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► major upgrade but two years ago now are year ago when they put everything testes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1393">TS</a>]
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00:24:13 ◼ ► you very much to line up for sponsoring our show we have some news in the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► executive lineup John D on account of give us a synopsis as to what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► there was so long ago I can barely remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► that was like right after recording this week's podcast like 11 news they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► gonna dump at the end of the year the news was a fairly tame a reorg where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► sheler got control of the App Store stuff the absence of that used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► under attack you and if you still has like the whole media thing and music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► all that stuff I think and they named what's-his-name Jeff Williams COO but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► was already doing that and not a lot of exciting things they're but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► that developers got excited about is the moving of any apps to responsibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► from one person to another and I guess people are getting hopeful just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► hey it's a change and things are bad now the change has the potential to be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► but those shelter has been in charge of a preview of Marco can correct me if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► wrong for a while now right it's not just that's not new I believe since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► start he's just getting the rest of the App Store and so a preview is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► things that developers complain about a lot and Phil show her always had that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► he's not exactly you're sort of savior of the App Store if you're if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► been disgruntled about a preview stuff that's the shelter and now he's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► rest of the hope is I guess that those shows organization like will improve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► tech parts of it better like make iTunes Connect nice area and let developers use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► test flight and fix the Mac App Store sandboxing people so people can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► test their absence and box like that's the hope that any cues seem to not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► able to roll out be the features like the software and server-based features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► for developers as quickly as developers wanted and it somehow Phil show would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► better I have no idea if that is the case but I have to admit I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► slightly optimistic just because things have been kind of not grade limping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► along for a long time and I like to see some kind of shake up even if it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► the world's most minor shake-up so yeah I mean just to fill out what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► basically the the developer ecosystem of Apple has always been under these three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► different divisions in the company there the engineering division undercut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► they may call the API's new OS isn't everything and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► developer relations division which is under Phil Schiller division under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► marketing and that that does the BBC that the you know the developer program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► and then and also a preview and the app review policies and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► store division and the editorial part of it that has been under attack you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► Services Division and that aside like what happened to be featured and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► store works and and running the store back and everything I would imagine also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► involved the store apps themselves so that it to hell is under three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► divisions you could you could always tell the pastor there has been some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► of like miscommunication or fortune in the past so for example you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► an app that was featured by the App Store editorial team under a DQ because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► it was doing some new cool thing and then the app review team would call up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► and say sorry we're not gonna allows you to take this app down while it's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► featured by the department in in the store and so you have these kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► weird miscommunications or disagreement between the divisions that have caused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► some friction or sumn sumn you know clumsiness and passed the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► site is still under factory still totally separate obviously that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► that makes sense but the developer relations and the App Store is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► together under Phil and interestingly as as a friend Ben Thompson pointed out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► trajectory think this was one of the Private Members Only things but if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► linked to it a lot of people are paying attention to the fact that actually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► Phil Schiller has actually lost a big chunk of his responsibilities in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► well what corporate people called marcom marketing communications which I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► that's that's like advertising stuff right beats me I know nothing about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► stuff anyway that used to be under Phil and now they announced the new hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► whose name I forgot I'm sorry the new hire is now taking over marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► communications from Phil and reporting directly to Tim Cook so this this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► has been removed from Phils played peers and then phil has gained the app stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► and at logically I don't know how this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► you know internally that there's obviously a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► implementation details here that we don't know like the big 12 me is how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► you separate the app stores from the back end that they run on which is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► presumably still under eight accused of it there's some weirdness there I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► imagine but high level it it certainly appears that phil has lost his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► responsibilities of running the like advertising part of it and Dean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► responsibility of running the app stores whatever that includes because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► already ran developer relations and a preview that makes some sense so John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► I'm with you in that I am optimistic about this I don't think we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► see meaningful change the App Store Policies any kind of rule that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► do now and you kind of controversy over a preview I wouldn't even expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► improvements to a preview on the Mac App Store having this occasionally very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► review times I hope they fix that that's that's just messed up that's been it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► embarrassing and that's obviously not the way it's supposed to work to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► your absentee review for a month but you know when it is working like an iOS when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► you typically get in 07 write a review time I don't think we're gonna see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► major changes to that system the system of a preview as we know it today that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► here to stay for a long time because the person who is at the very top of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► organization just took control the entire App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► obviously they're not looking to change that but the things that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► I'm optimistic about here are the first of all a great read on Phil but the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► that I that I know of him or the more that I hear him talk about hear stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► about him the more I think I think I I like him like I think he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► sensibilities that one up with mine more so than most of the other high up Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► executives and and more so that are in the interest of the old apple and I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► to some good and some bad that's why a preview of things going anywhere because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► that you know it's like the old school Apple but overall this is a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► if for nothing else because as you said John it is a sign of of a of a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► big cheese and if you look at like things that stagnant or have problems in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► Apple many of them I would say possibly even most of them fall under the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► division that is clearly a place where they have had a lot of problems in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► past and I i we keep hearing they're doing that they're getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► some of things are doing are better like the new cloud kids stuff the new photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► sync some of that stuff is really good and so I think they are getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► and we're hearing stories about them like running Linux servers now and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► doing this apache besos thing and and now we're probably works with Linux is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► going and we're seeing lots of lots of like rumblings that the department is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► getting better and some evidence that is coming out to the consumers but even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► they start doing really well they also seem dramatically overloaded and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► they seem like they have a lot of trouble making progress on multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► fronts the App Store has basically done nothing like it in the App Store has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► gone almost nowhere has improved very little has changed very little since its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► you know it if you look at the absurd today for the ouster in 2008 it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► yes some things are better but not what not what you'd expect for was a seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► years seven and a half years if not what you'd expect for them in time so to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► a big chunk of of this division out of it under new leadership in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► vision of the company to have that bTW absurd the thing that that control so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► much of my living many people living in the modern computing landscape so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► as a dependent on the App Store and the way its run its policies to move that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► her executive is a big change I think you know it seems like it would be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► change I don't think there's like some paper thing so I I hope that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► sign that they are finally going to change the after they're finally going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► to improve it to start making meaningful changes and again I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► gonna be in regards to a preview I think we're stuck with that for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► but it could be in regards to many things that could use improvement things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► like you know if you want upgrade pricing or trials that's the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► place you know this is the kind of change that would happen if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► App Store or better how I mean if you look at the health of the App Store's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► pretty much all the mix up the iPhone 18 help like they're not in great shape the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► iPhone one is doing ok so beautiful to massive volume but it could still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► some improvement all of that now is kind of we have we have a renewed hope the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► App Store might finally get better because they use did this seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► substantial sounding move I have high hopes for that especially to be under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► Phil he cares a lot about the Mac about the product quality and they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► have moved this for no reason there is nothing pressuring them to move it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► was no like there is no reason they had to do this so they clearly want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► this and it has to have been this this move has to happen for a good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► there is some kind of pressure because when I it's hard so it's hard to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► why things are happening inside applicants obviously the press release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► isn't gonna tell you and I can do is look at the experience I've had in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► company that I work for when they have shuttle people around and the only real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► underlying thing other than stuff you don't know about the information you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► don't have like roanoke like maybe someone you know is going to retire soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► or you know maybe someone has expressed an interest in doing something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► right but usually if some top executive like the CEO whatever is not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► something they want out of some subdivision of the company they've let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► that slide for a while but eventually it's like I've been I wanted acts for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► two years now and this person hasn't delivered it it's time to give another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► person who can sometimes there's the you know give the really hard job to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► one executive who's great for you know doing tackling tough problems and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► person bounces around like the problem solver the fixer the do you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► the call so horrendous acts Casey out some of your reference you don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► is definitely affects their anyway it could be that but I get away it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► someone is not getting what they want out of insert and it could be a summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► not getting what they want added marcom and that's why a new guys to come in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► take it is someone not getting what they want the app so we don't know because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► could be say it's a the marking something stag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► you know Apple's marketing messages in evolving and for a while we wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► change until doesn't seem capable to get out of the rut so what we're gonna do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► we're going to bring in someone new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► they're gonna take over the marketing communication but since no such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► important person you can't take away that from him without giving them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► something else and I need a lot of salsa given over to him alright that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► plausible scenario another one is the one the world languages like ed four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► years we wanted access of you know this outdoor stuff has been happening so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► we're gonna take that away from you and give it to somebody who is more we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► is going to do a better job I don't know the person is gonna do a better job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► that be like there's just so much we don't know but the bottom line is these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► things don't happen without a substantial reason because top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► executives hate having responsibility taken away from them it's not a demotion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► but it's seen as like you know so don't show her is not really you know he got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► bunch of response was taken away but he took the mantle something else I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► like this is you know in the political org chart of Apple's little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► downer and EQ and a little bit of an upper sideways heroin phyllis was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► way it feels to me from the outside and when I think about is you know there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► corrected a little bit little bit down aromatic you what what is it that top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► executives might have wanted that they weren't getting out of it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► makes me think of the success Heights problem things we're in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► but he had the iTunes Store and the App Store and everything was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► gangbusters hey the App Store is super popular everybody loves apps they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► installing stuff in like every year every quarter he you know at every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► meeting and he could be a look at these crazy numbers look how many apps we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► look how many people had ellen's up look how many developers are signed up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► every metric that he could possibly every charge to put up every number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► Heathrow on someone's face was like I'm in charge of the App Store in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► Store is awesome but as you point out Marco at a certain point like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► numbers that the day level off it's like yeah yeah we heard lots about someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► ever bought this hearing about you know developers don't like this or it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► to search in the store or just been but this company to redo the store but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► kinda looks the same and people don't think it's that much better and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► just from regulated like you don't have to be plugged into this community just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► Tim Cook to go to the App Store his own phone to try to find something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► notice that their problems and bring that up two years ago they did you in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► bit like oh you know we'll take care of that no work on this organized into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► seven points like it doesn't you know again things that things that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► who's not plugged into the Daubert you can adjust Tim Cook on his own phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► keep using the app store your bike you know doesn't seem like regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► whether I think this is good or not your number the greater reliability is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► you make a lot of money or whatever it just doesn't seem like it has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► that much better over the past several years so maybe it's time for a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► now this could all be delusions based on our perspective as outsiders and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► who know a lot of developers it could be something entirely unrelated but to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► that's a plausible scenario that that that that he was Coast thing but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► like when when you're on the fun part of the hockey stick it can hide a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► stuff in a certain point lol off or that stuff becomes old hat and you need like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► what have you done for me lately you know what what have you done to the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► Store lately cuz the complaints are there and the feedback is there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► know people leaving the Mac App Store and longer view times I don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► time involved that into you know like features and iTunes Connect and just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► just seems like at this point no matter how distant be removed from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► developer community can do it market just said and say look at what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► upstart was like five years ago and look at what it's like now and think is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► five years with the progress in the App Store and you just have to say no and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► that's why that feels like the strongest reason why there might be a shake-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► related to the App Store regardless of what you think it was just that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► just not progressing in advancing the way you would hope it would also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► you know i i think as as I mentioned last episode I think you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► their their recent product launches the watch the Apple TV and the iPad pro in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► all three of those cases you can very clearly point to the at ecosystem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► the app stores themselves as holding these products back significantly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► the TV app store is frankly embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► there's so little in it it is so hard to use it is so hard to find anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► there's no like there's no like Public Links for TV apps you can't if you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► about like like that land to came out this past week or something I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► get it on my TV or these find out if it was available on Apple TV I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► find information out anywhere except going over walking over the TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► typing poorly planned to into that horrible text entry field and finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► nothing and I wasn't sure like is just bad right now or is it really not here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► and it turns out of the TV I hadn't been out for the TV I would have no computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► or my phone or any other device to have clicked by this inhabitable my TV there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► there are simple things like this where the stores were not helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► it's it's really hinder things not to mention the way bigger challenge of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► developer economics and and making it worth developing for these platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► which is a whole separate discussion but is related to this who's in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► that site who agree I just to give you an example upgrade pricing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► developers and wanted to go to prison for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► top execs me know and Apple are the people saying no to upgrade pricing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► are they still in charge of that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► well I think it was kind of a combo mean that kind of thing before would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► been like 80 if you look at the app review rules there are many interviewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► rules related to pricing and what you what you're allowed to do with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► pricing and what you're not what has to be free what has to do not break or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► have limits on her ever so a lot of that isn't a preview but that any anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► related to things like a great president would have had to be implemented by any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Q's division so that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► spanned both divisions and I think that's one of the reasons why you seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► of that type because it wouldn't it would have involved these two divisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► working together which was probably problematic or at least of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► burdensome be implemented bundles which is like seems like so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► complicated the upgrade price I mean they did then that purchase and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► bundles to features that are fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► complicated so it seems like when whoever is the head of the snake want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► change to the economics we want to make bundles possible we want them to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► in-app purchase possible that's going to involve your team ready cuz you gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► handle the bundle and the pricing whenever an in-app purchase gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► like a backend that we're going to talk to whatever but it just seemed to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► that those efforts weren't coming from any cute and I'm just wondering who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► know I upgrade pricing and it happened in terms of the economic issues somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► is setting the policy if you like or dislike Apple still if somebody high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► enough up said you know what we're going to do operate price it would happen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► regardless of who's in charge of implementing it made you a peek ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► and maybe like the interface for an iTunes Connect would be bad baby buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► to begin with it may be difficult for developers to test all the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► can blame on any cure whatever but like I just always wonder where the decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► is made like to have a meeting where they should be revisited upgrade price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► does it never come up like today decide once back when Steve Jobs is still alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► that upgrade pricing is good for developers of bed for users in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► endeavor revisit that decision despite you know but how the iPad pro may change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► that equation or whatever you have to also look at how important is this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► is very important to us how important is this relative to the division it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► the company it's in you know and and so relative to all Apple as a whole I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► know how important they consider things like the App Store and developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► happiness with the App Store everything else I don't know senator sherry faxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► like why aren't more people buying iPad pros why are people leaving the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► Store why are all these awesome apps that we know it's possible to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► appearing on the iPad prob wise Adobe not making a full version of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► for the upper leg all sorts of questions about why aren't people taking advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► or + 21 is that we haven't sold any hardware but it's kind of a chicken egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► situation other answers what is it about specialist advice should I pro like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► is it about our platforms that you know we all know the answers that lends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► itself to applications and a bunch of people right and support what they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► still make money and then abandoned like there is no sort of ten-year twenty-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► application because you can't get any more revenue from them unless it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► it and in-app purchase type of thing where you're constantly you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► currency or whatever you know like other than those model like why why is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► no model for sort of professional applications that people buy on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► regular basis I guess they do subscriptions but then you know we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► know what the the the App Store policies are there that didn't make it difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► to have a sustainable high-end software package that continually its upgraded on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► Apple's iOS platform that is because all the tools people are used to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► don't exist or have a 30 percent taxes just mostly untenable like Adobe loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► their subscription revenue aw would love subscription revenue a lot less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► available to 30% and I mean there have been so mean I there have been so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► unimplemented or lost or cancelled ideas and services and products because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► three percent I mean that is not a small number that that is a number that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► makes or breaks people's business models and a lot of cases going back to ABQ for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► his division like if you look at what else that division had to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► while the actor was under them that's all of iCloud that's all of Siri that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► all of these stores at other stores in music stores that Apple music streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► television planet still hasn't happened right and it's and it's it's all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► content deals its negotiating and dealing with his content companies also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► and Apple has not done well in that area recently and and I don't know if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► just you know you doing his job badly I probably not as far more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► than that now it's not like people have apples number now they have the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► home is easy like it like it and people learn that lesson from iTunes and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► like no intention of giving our business Amazon to check your power Apple so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► it's it's much harder to go because you know Apple doesn't want to come out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► a plan as far as I know nobody has a plan that is a convincing replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► for quarter for real television at this point Apple wants to be the first so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► they're gonna have to be the ones to explain to the big networks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2740">TS</a>]
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00:45:49 ◼ ► shirt on this deal but you have to bring the price down because no one's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► buy it if it costs as much as cable but isn't as good as cable which it won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► because they're stupid Apple TV box isn't that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► and it's like this thing we're like the same last week about how Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► really seem to know how to be in a negotiating position of not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► absolute power I think that you know I was less because talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► developers but this week you know i think is very equally to the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► content deals only one willing to say here that in this negotiation between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► Apple and television networks I'm willing to put money that the television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► people are being more reasonable than Apple like they've been every time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► les Moonves makes it a public statement I feel like I don't envy an enviable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► trying to negotiate with these guys because I think that they don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► Apple is trying to explain to them so I really like it's hard to fault Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► these things maybe they are being a little bit stubborn but but she's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► they're trying to pull in industries head out of the sand and it's it's slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► going and that's fair but that industry i think is still doing really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► without Apple and the dynamic is different one of the reasons Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► able to have so much power in music and get some great deals for music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► because the music industry was was kind of naive and also pretty desperate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► in this case today that's not the case anymore especially with with TV industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► like the TV industry still doing very well and still making tons of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► a palatable should have Netflix but wasn't like a Netflix got their first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► right so and then now everyone it's it's it's a bigger mess like your music music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► was more desperate music with smaller and more tractable and nobody knew what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► was going to happen and apple just steamrolled everybody and everyone saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► what happened to everybody who who basically lost power nap on that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► like no we're not doing that against every other industry from e-books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► television to movies everything was like comes calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► look at the music industry as a cautionary tale and negotiate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► we're going to make your own streaming apps and we're gonna make deals with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Netflix and you know who knows what we're gonna do but it's more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► world like it and I do wonder like I don't know anything about it and I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► the guys they talk a big fan of button his shirt yeah but I was wondering like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► what his core skills that is like he's not an engineer at a tax programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► anything we've always heard that he that he is like the negotiator said that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► he is really good at these content deals apparently or I also have also heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► that he has a reputation of like being the fixer getting things done but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► honestly I don't see it not an iTunes Connect know well as is the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► developed problems I mean I think all things associated with like test flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► integration and you know the process visibility into the app review process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► and the ability to contact the Human about your thing and yeah yeah but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► yeah I mean the problems of the App Store go way beyond like the iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► Connect a web interface or so far beyond that and then that's good enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► what it does you know it's not great but it's fine it's like it's like the admin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► panel that ever that we all make for our websites like no one's admin panel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► iTunes Connect is not nice but I don't need Phil Schiller to fix iTunes Connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► you know we we need to fix a lot bigger problem than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► NEQ got a bachelor's in computer science and economics from deep yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► like I don't know I can get a read it was obviously at this level of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► anything you're telling people who are telling people are telling people to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► things with just like its management just I'm trying to think like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► that you do things that were put in a DQ this substantial improvements or they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► gotten better or that you know like he's got a lot of sort of stars on as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► know whatever you call them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► like iTunes and the stores and the App Store especially in the initial part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► lots of big important good numbers he put up there have been a lot of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► bonuses and all of those years and you know everything looked good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► but I just lately not that it doesn't look good anymore still looks good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► said it's like what have you done for me lately what what improvements you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► to the system uses a system people gonna put out they can put them on stories we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► have multiple stores we have other things like but it just doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► like it's progressing like we've all been hearing the exact same complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► from the developer side of it for so many years and so I said that aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► because a lot of people who cares but developers I don't care by developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► Apple should I care about users you know uses you come back above developers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► think that's right users do come about developer censured because there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► many many more of them but it's it's related because like I was using you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► won't be like I don't care what developers think about pressure on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► App Store and at the same time you had perot why isn't there more software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► wisest thing that I downloaded the throw afternoons ever gonna support that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► doesn't work but but like I'm saying set that aside for a second just totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► believe in an important to set it aside I really do feel that from the user's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► perspective the App Store as experienced by the user just talked about a mark on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► the App Store as experienced by users of Apple TV or you know just as a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► going to the App Store finding stuff feeling feeling good and comment about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► the things that you find there I i think that is has not progressed and the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► have gotten deeper and more dangerous the suspects of free-to-play you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► all those mechanics and taking money from people and the cesspit of at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► point sort of single use unsupported applications that are clogging up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► search results and make it much harder to find the one or two good at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► things like they always brag about how many apps they have once that number got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► like six or seven digits it stops being a plus or minus I don't want ten million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► applications I don't want one million applications even 200,000 applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► like seriously you know those all can't be winners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► there's a lot of so should reject more things from the store whatever but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► at a certain point the number of applications you have becomes a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► to solve nothing to brag about their problems are solved is you know Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► has probably millions of products that I find it easier to find decent things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► Amazon you know because they review system is better than Apple's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► they're people like this like that as a little bit better you know like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► parts that have to do with dealing with lots of products and presenting it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► users that part of the experience of being a user of Apple products has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► know again because we think it just hasn't gotten a much better in years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► years and years and so that that is an area I feel like no matter what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► think about you have to say we are not progressing fast enough I turn off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► competitors are nipping at their heels or whatever but if you can make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► experience better as the show but the answer to begin with you can make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3163">TS</a>]
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00:52:49 ◼ ► customers that interview developer satisfaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► letting developers be able to respond to reviews or contact people anonymously r [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► like it just does it that's low hanging fruit is not even that big a deal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3176">TS</a>]
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00:53:05 ◼ ► one give you one of those a year for five years and it would make a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► bigger and I know they did things that is mentioned the bundles and in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► purchases arguably are an important thing in subscriptions and opening the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► stuff that used to be used and only up like they have done some things but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► just it just feels like stagnation and i dont i dont feel good doing it after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► these days I know exactly where I'm going and if I can't get a direct link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3205">TS</a>]
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00:55:08 ◼ ► afforded have you guys seen this no of course not I did but about football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► pushed it off the end of my TV episode was arrested on on CBS is there whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► never good as their terrible website to maybe watch market but I didn't see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► I can do that I can go to their tireless if you stupid football pushes the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► out and your TV doesn't correctly just because stupid football ran long not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3328">TS</a>]
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00:55:36 ◼ ► much as you can you TiVo and then I just always assume I can go to the website of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► the television show on my stress it and then behold I could as long as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3340">TS</a>]
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00:55:48 ◼ ► little play head up to the point where I left off so anything about football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► can take the speed I'm not gonna take this page is not based on their TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► schedule isn't their TV schedule I feel like a football runs long it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► switch to the football football overflow channel anyway I'm still so the feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► I it is worth watching although I don't think any revelations came from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► accepting apparently read it seemed to think that a MacBook as shown in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► background 44 seconds with some new Mac which it was supposedly it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► like this is the best part of it let's assume that it was so what happens now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► like let's stipulate for the for the purpose of this conversation that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► was a different MacBook in the background now what happens nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► happens it looks like it open to close it has a screen and a keyboard can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► no point less do you know what they're doing like look I like is coming out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► the spring / winter / summer / God knows when it's coming out soon become to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► huge power savings the retina MacBook Pro design is gonna be about four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► old but I'ma comes out there gonna take advantage of this kind of the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► savings and they're going to make the stupid thing thinner and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► be fine I'm gonna complain about the keyboard in the battery life in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► first extract that on buying one and they're going to be the same as we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► now but thinner and cool looking at maybe in space crinkled or not or or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► they can have amazing features that but not be visible on the screen looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► a laptop I just like you know like I will agree right now that that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► brand-new under these products in the background and now what happens that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► just sit here and smile I gotta understand anyway john Kasay interrupted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► you yes so there wasn't that much that I thought was really remarkable about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► about the piece but I thought we should note that we that while two-thirds of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► have seen it the one thing that I thought was really interesting was Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► Riccio saying and I'm gonna put it in front of me even a tenth of a millimeter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► of thickness is sacred to us and this was with regard to the MacBook one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► probably pretty telling about a whole set it to you about these sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► things in general so that's the thing that's the thing that we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► lamenting for a while I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► are quote that stuck out to me was in there talking to johnnie I was getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► into his his Jony ive mode where he is very passionate about things I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► question was something about like did you feel like that Apple could become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► complacent insular something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► his answer was basically like I like all the things they say these are answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► that anyone who follows Apple's heard before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► just repeated contacts and it was the giant have answer from polio which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► averaged I believe that you like BS this is the same question is a million times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► like every you know any famous person has to and his answer to this one is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► not really looking at what we like we're not satisfied with what we do like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► we're not gonna be like oh just set of you know leaned back in just a phone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► in or whatever and we're not comparing ourselves to what else is out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► other people's products we compare ourselves to is always this ideal this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► perfection that we have in our own minds over chasing chasing perfection our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► you know intrinsic motivation the ideal that we have in our mind and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► we're chasing and I believe that because it shows in their products that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► to have that seem to be chasing some ideal that it has had their minds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► don't involve certainly too many looks at what other people are doing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► fine but also maybe not too many looks at how people use these things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► real world you know like his answer makes sense but it hinges entirely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► what is that ideal you're chasing in as articulated through many white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► years the idea that the journey I was always said that he's chasing has good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► and bad aspects of the Dubai is like a look obvious that has to seem like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► not designed it shouldn't you know it shouldn't be designed for designed sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► but we could see in the products that he makes it he you know he favored a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► simplicity and symmetry and purity and beauty and it can be argued that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► things and it can be argued that those things have a psychological effect on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► the user's our products that it benefits that bob line but there are practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► considerations as well and the balance between chasing that ideal that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► again may be beneficial the company but may not be better for the product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► also doing things you kind of have to do whether it's more reliable stream really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► fun cables or you know or more grippy services for things or you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► nothing better than all the stuff I haven't seen a lot of interviews where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► that balance has been brought up a really pursued and I'm not expecting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► can sixty Minutes interview you know basically it's going to be people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► know if you follow up a lot is going to be people you've seen before being asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► questions they've been asked two thousand times you've seen the BSA's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► questions about times and you know if there is going to be because you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► heard them give the same answer thousand times and they they died at each one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► them like labor practices parking money overseas popularity of products secrecy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► the new Apple Campus in this is nothing new there but it is interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► they you know you got to come in the lab to the table draped with stuff you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► to see are milling machine running and whatever you know you can peek at it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► that way and it's interesting to see that people give the same answers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► see if they change but what I always wanted to know what we all want is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► people who are on our listeners program is deeper questions like so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► group interview with shelter pursued this a little bit on the whole figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► but he was talking about then maybe was also talking about battery life or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► with developer license then they would you like to pursue to have follow-ups to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► dig a little bit like to bring up this feels like this is news to John yet he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► knows about the the balance between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► you know practical features I'm sure all the engineering people manufacturers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► telling them practically speaking you do this music now can we figure out a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► to do this like that that's what I was talking about you know fractions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► millimeters there is a tension between what can be done what is able to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► manufactured one of the economical what is beautiful what is our economic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► there something it's both beautiful and ergonomic and obvious and durable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► stays beautiful for a long time like this this is that's what design is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► I would love to hear an in-depth discussion Jony ive just about those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► tradeoffs about how he figures out where that balance is not in vague terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► getting into specifics because i think is the most interesting thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► design and Jony ive had never talks about it maybe is never going to be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► secrecy type thing he doesn't give you a cute window into his mind but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► retired and I can get him on the spot kathy has been the entire show just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► trying to figure out how they did that bounced and what factors do we not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► understand that are involved in this and are there problems that we see that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► doesn't and other problems that he knows are issues that we never see it take for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► granted and that would be a much more interesting interview then loads on 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► minutes but then again it sixty minutes so I think my expectation for that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► even lower than Star Wars or Star Wars that you people have been saying good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► things about it the people involved for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► abrams you know George Lucas wasn't involved it seemed like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► expectations should have been at least middle of the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► well let's just say the last three Star Wars movies estaba not the best I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► but there's the whole different set of maybe don't know but the whole route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► it's it's even bigger than the dq Phil Schiller thing all people out new people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► I'm like the average consumer I wasn't believed in that world of paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► attention all that stuff I didn't expect much from it because the last few hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► movies I've seen have been terrible effects that they didn't they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► just shuffle things around a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► complete change of hands new people in charge entirely everything on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► internet comes back to these days that's what you have to say just go see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► tomorrow how are you the one who has it seems like it's somehow market has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► to the new I don't understand what's going on today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► bizarro world it is bizarre it's a Christmas miracle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► this is our Christmas to tell me that hops on should have brought him he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► god no no we need we need a babysitter 'cause we have like a baby now we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► a cold and boring and no but you have family close by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► make this happen but you're kidding preschool actually the theater when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► went to an Alamo Drafthouse we delete this account like hipster the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► interchange but I inadvertently booked a baby showing they did they do like baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► ok showing they allow people to bring babies and if they cry lol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► not happy about this but it turned out at the matter there is like one big hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► through the crowd like ones but it wouldn't matter but that might exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► near you if you can find that that is the kind of thing you would have around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► now there's no Alabama Drafthouse cinema near here at least an hour away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► welterweight look at look at me look at local theaters to see if they have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► leak BB showings of movies I think some theaters are in to do that now I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► an art show was great what does that include as they only know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► people who are dressed up for people who think seriously about ever dressing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► for people who could safely be friends with someone who dresses up very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► respectful there that's how I thought the only way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► did they market it that way or is it just now but it just happens naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► we congregate I clearly am NOT a card-carrying nerd as I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► when that would be if you saw it on the 17th and especially if you saw it either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► the very first showing more like a ridiculously late showing the known sane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► person would ever go to your house at three and its fine arts is the best so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► guess we're done talking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► 60 minutes thing to be honest I have no I have nothing else to add I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► it was interesting to watch it's probably worth the twenty thirty minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► of your time assuming that you live in the united states I I saw something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► fly-by on Twitter that it's it's locked down to the USB cuz reasons but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► worth your time it don't expect anything monumental I also watched their what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► they called 60 minutes overtime segments which were not that particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► interesting or worthwhile the one thing I will say is that I was happy to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► and clearance come out from the shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► they spoke to her a few times and I was very impressed with her I thought she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► was really really good which is what one would expect given that she was once the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► CEO they did have said there were there were some tidbits in there may be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► I know about this but one of the things they were shown like the model Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► Store like oh this is a test that our ideas for Apple there and there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► wall that had a bunch of foliage on it was very weird and I'm assuming no real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► Apple Store has that info have loved to see that like you know that travels are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► some ideas I would love to see that idea make it out of the model and be going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► the Apple store and the like have one wall of the bunch of green vines hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► down and also the ones were like they had cases and you'd like the case was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► the poll on the thing lots of ideas there so that doesn't exhibit two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► seconds and the other reason to watch it that this will make you angry about 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► minutes but interested in and seeing this as you get to see him go get fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► up about keeping their money overseas and are stupid tax laws and labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► practices and stuff it gets kind of angry sounds like a fun time to ask him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► some questions I always ask him and they don't like he probably game substantive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► he gave like very substantial thorough and answers to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► we've heard him give those answers before I like an apple earnings calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► and and the things he has four cycles and everything but in 60 minutes three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► sentences that they cut out of your big long comprehensive answer and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4058">TS</a>]
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01:07:50 ◼ ► like giving insight to anybody who doesn't know about these issues are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► get the idea that we say this leading question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4073">TS</a>]
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01:08:00 ◼ ► ask about something else but it was interesting to see Tim Cook leaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► forward in his chair and getting probably the most sort of worked up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4084">TS</a>]
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01:08:15 ◼ ► said to the same things that he would have had a smirk more of a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► investing in earnest so either way there was no information like you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► draw any conclusions for now like Tim Cook I'm sure gave a good answer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► sixty minutes just is not going to air it which is a real shame I would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► see you interview on 60 minutes John and it just seemed like how the heck they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► would at the guy feel I feel for those guys because they're getting interviewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4116">TS</a>]
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01:08:44 ◼ ► take literally five sentences and that's what they're going to buy sentences five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► of the most dramatic sounding sentences with no surrounding context and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► nothing you can do about you can explain yourself before you can explains that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► they're just gonna pull them out and that's what people are going to see in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► just like wow they even agree to it why would they agree to be at least they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► have no control over what the sentences are I don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► this is honestly this is why I haven't rushed to watch it because I figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► like you know TV interviews are so low density he'd like there's so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► content in them there's so much padding and time-wasting in them there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► smart speed it's also loadin sorry there is a my Tivo oh yeah of course there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4159">TS</a>]
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01:09:50 ◼ ► therefore factory direct pricing and a fraction the Big Branch prices harry's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► be there about half the price of what used to pay something like Gillette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► Fusion for instance which I would say in my experience is that the most directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► comparable blade to the Harris played cards outside a very very similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► Gillette Fusion shavers quality better designs for the handles and the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► and the and the cream and everything that they have $15 will get you a razor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► shave cream or gel and three razor blade cartridges when you more blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► $2 each or less to an eight pack is just 15 bucks a 16 pack is just 25 bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► these are not double-edge safety blade these are the full of razor blade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► cartridges there's five blade in the cartridge very similar to the Gillette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► nice easy to use disposable cartridges that are just really good quality for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► the price and a packet please use $15 a 16 pack is $25 now a 16 pack of fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► blades its $56 that's more than double as much as well harry's charges for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4245">TS</a>]
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01:11:32 ◼ ► out of nowhere and it's a new service product company start-up it's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► thing and it's called up there and it has a lot of X Apple people in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► John I think this was a kind of your baby so what do you want to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► about up there were transferred later used to be in charge of Apple software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► stuff and sergeant like I was 10 and everything back for those IOUs and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► over after he retired from Apple while ago that's when Craig victory took over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► basically and he disappeared to go on vacation and do whatever you wanna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► but pretty quickly after you left Apple there were rumblings like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► what's per trans next thing I guess you never really leave I guess we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► leaving become like I don't know a venture capitalist or support other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► technology things anyway they called the rumor was that he was involved in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► kind of start up and they were doing something having to do with computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► and that's all anybody knew about it I didn't pay too much attention for health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► services some point did service couple months back with this company called up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► there and when I went to their website at first it was like pretty impenetrable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► cuz they say you know if you have a cloud but translation on your web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► browser like a lot of what's going on here was doing some cloud and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► computers and it's like how what is different about this company seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► they were saying they were going to store a bunch of stuff on their servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► so you wouldn't have to start on yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► honestly I have looked at this it's been the show notes for like two months I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► looked at this every so often before the show and I cannot figure out what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► and why why do care about it and like the court upheld from the CEO was not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► translated by the way is just one of the founders but to see roger tamraz's we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► like the way to backup to vanish from dictionary we built a consumer cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► from the ground up oh here we go we questioned everything literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► experiment a lot of the cloud to be the primary place for your data this summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► that the whole idea is like it's kind of like a Chromebook you know back up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► Chromebook basis nothing on it that isn't already owns your Google service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► right up there the whole idea is don't worry about what's on your phone or on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► your Mac or wherever you want to be that's that's just like a local cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► that's not where the toughest check your phone into the ocean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► who cares there was nothing on it anyway you're fine all your stuff is up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► in the cloud and the like from the second quarters we experimented a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► they've been in stealth mode as they say for a long time so who knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► they've been doing behind the scenes but they do have a beta program and I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► its public pay-per-view sign up for it I don't you know and they have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► applications Mac application and as an iOS application of the ones I use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► and it's like there were loud bang sign up they already have two factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► authentication error that was really nice out of the gate because if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► gonna be a cloud thing I can add that I can your fifth year something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► important to have it now and then I want you to put stuff into the crowd and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► have like an easy button press it's like hey do you want to put your photos liver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► into the crowd and it's my photos library now like the family once a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► or is likely only has like 10,000 Photo Center something like sure to go take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► those you know like I mean a lot of this going on just trusting Bergeron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► certainly not lady company or whatever and drag files into it whatever just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4495">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► whatever funds I told to pull my photos library just let it do its thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► eventually uploaded my photos library and on the iOS application I can go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► I can browse through all my photos in iPhoto library in like ten thousand or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► so there was some weirdness in that phone totally sink like uploaded them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► from my Mac and then to get the phone totally saying there was the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► do it was to have the phone in the application launches like an option that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► says don't don't let your phone go to sleep when applications in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► foreground because he gets up loads better faster when the application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► running in the foreground I know that was an option but apparently it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► anyway they got everything uploaded there they have a camera application as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► well which is kind of getting more into have a source to work it's a camera for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► your phone and you launch this application instead of luck in nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► Apple's camera application you take pictures but instead of the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► going on to your phone the pictures go directly into the cloud and if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► there is you'll never feel your phone with pictures you know that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► real thing that a lot of people have smartphones do is they take pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► take pictures take pictures and they thought their phone and I was storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► management is such that there is not a real easy way out of that without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► need to have an iPod photo library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► that turned on do you have a Mac and you know that their thing is never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► throw your phone because we don't put the pictures on your phone you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► pictures and we need to upload them now obviously everything that up there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► predicated on you having a network connection like a network connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► being somewhat reliable and somewhat you know having a reasonable amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► bandwidth so its authority looking play where the future is not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► doing stuff local anything how to sync it the future is going to be pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► everything up that that's a pretty safe bet what it all comes down to that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► us that that's why everyone hears about this entry through website and thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► that it's like whatever you're like uploading stuff to a server somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► who cares what it all comes down to his execution how well does uploads doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► think ever get stuck does can access go through all 10,000 I pictures how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► does it take for the thumbnail slowed and I don't know what exactly they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► doing tech wise because the website is not eliminating I would imagine since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► they've been still thought a really long time but they're trying to do is come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► with a better interface then like the application uses posits a pas de deux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► synchronous io to your local disk and then some demon process wonders the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► system and like Dropbox or whatever and finds things and opens an HDB connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► and shoves the files wanted time to our servers like that's the old way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► things I don't know if they're doing exactly that or if they are you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► imagining sorry is it more interesting abstractions where instead of going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► through a POSIX file i/o API they have their own file i/o API that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► intelligent things like better support for streaming and batching of multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► things and like you know handling failures better and being a synchronous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► and asynchronous my default being multithreaded and being able to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► multiple connections and handling like that's what I'm imagining is behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► scenes but the bottom line is it uploaded all my pictures and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► scroll through them I can scroll through all of them and the thumbnails load and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► you know pretty fast and when you go to the IRS usage screen to see how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► disk space the up their obligations taking up it's like nothing like 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► Megabus so I think it really is streaming all the stuff in real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► and like the picture on their website is storing our entire digital lives photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► videos music and documents in a single place that it's always accessible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► growing evolving ready to share their sharing stuff is in better than Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► already there that you can make like something called loop we can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► multiple people putting their foes into a single bucket right and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► family photo library where the whole family could have camera applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► every picture they take to go into one giant shared thing people can contribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► is like it just seems like a forward-looking way to do everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► is a Malaysian good just because they have 5 beta testers and all five of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► our connection to their supermassive be terrible and as a million people could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► the scale to be the size of I kappa music or like a photo I have no idea all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► I know is that whatever the heck they're doing it's working and Apple should buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► them because it's better than everything Apple is doing even though they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► going to upload pictures yes can I see them all guests can scroll through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► store any files on my iPhone not as far as I can tell so it does what it says on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► the tin and it's pretty impressive I have been on the beta for like a week or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► two now because I didn't get a clear read on what the intention is for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► app in fact you describing it as give me a much better understanding than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► the very little bit of documentation I read I didn't know to make it seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► the Mac App it has some tabs on the left has flow which I guess is just kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► good news feed sort of thing it has photos and videos music and documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► and it's not i mean i understand what those words mean I understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► presumably I'm supposed to start chucking things in these buckets but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► was entirely clear to me what the long-term plays here and I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► that a lot better it seems to work well like you said I mean I'm not I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► really tried much with it but there's plenty of stuff there and it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► is streaming things from the cloud like you said very quickly so initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► impressions by me were confusion but happy confusion of that if such a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► now that I've heard you talk about it I'm very interested to play with the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► appetite never bothered to download maybe that's half my problem very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► interested to play with that and see how it goes but it wouldn't surprise me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► this was in some ways just an acquisition play to see if Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► feeling desperate to get away from web checks and and and hire a team that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► that can solve this problem once and for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► presumably like that it's a tech glad that it's not just that they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► like I said they did you exact same thing everyone else is doing just using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► HTTP connections with Tara libraries and doing local file i/o and just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► doing that slightly better than you know one percent better than everyone else it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► seems like the only reason this could ever be a startup is someone has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► good ideas about how to abstract the file system on the network in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► accounts for the modern world news not like backward-looking like it to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► degree like even drop boxes that it's just a bunch of local files on desk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► it is another process that watches and moves them up and down and I and i wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► talk about something else like surely it is not loading we just on the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► chucking them up or streaming them down or like it's not making a new connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► everyone definitely right house dealing with like the size of the thumbnails and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► house keeping up with my scrolling and knowing which things it wants to to load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► and stuff like that and then right now the beta whatever like I'm not putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► anything that nothing is only in my entire photo library they really smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► save this one but impressive on to things like the only upload your photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► library right i mean you don't use photos so you didn't see that but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► wouldn't be useful to you but for me unlike fine go ahead because it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► just reading from the photos library keep in sync with it and everything too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► and same thing when I wanna take photos with the regular Apple camera app it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► like a million other apps like member they did drop box camera operator will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► try to see when you take pictures with your photo app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► of those using it now as a toy to play with every once in awhile to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► the performance like trying to figure out what the what the heck they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► actually doing behind the scenes and yet another free backup for all my photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► near the small of my life not the big lie thought about signing up my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► bought and and trying to put the big library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► up to the thing to see if it would choke on that because 10,000 is that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► a challenge but about sixty or seventy thousand now can you but maybe I'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► this is torture test but I would never burn it only anything only end up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► and you know business model and it's all free basis of knows what they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► charge the stuff so it's still a big question mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► pricing is a pretty big question mark going like that that matters a lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► how how many people will even bother trying to adopt in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► because vote libraries can be quite big and if you're talking about like storing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► all my stuff up there all my documents or even many of my documents plus all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► photos plus you know I can immediately that gets very big very quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► especially if you've any video shooting but their explanation and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► behind making things like the obvious that they would take that into account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► the whole idea is that the old way of doing the other way that everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► is doing them with sort of using eighties and nineties text to solve my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► problem is really in the future for the future over everybody as ubiquitous fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► connections but as you know getting closer every day that they are coming at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► it from that perspective they you know they must have smart solutions for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► just the API and how to write applications into this bag and but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► the backend work how it hosted how it scaled how you know what the economics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► are how much does it cost for us to host X amount of data can we undercut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► everyone else prices by using better technology because we can more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► efficiently store they got him again they don't tell you it's their secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► you know whatever I have no idea what it means but all I can look at is the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► and the front end seems to work more smoothly than every other friend and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► try to be there be Dropbox or Microsoft's one drive thing or Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► Drive or like we've all tried all these different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► casa so many different services that it that are like this and you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► good ones I use Dropbox all-time like they're not they're not bad but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► impressed me with just how sort of no nonsense and smooth it is and how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► don't even know how they're doing it how like how is that I'm able to scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► through ten thousand photos and the thumbnails like they're not they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► instantly there's little white squares initially but they pretty fast ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► screens on this I don't have no idea how it's doing that but it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► assuming that this actually becomes a thing and and launches to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► some kind of business model is one thing would you obviously they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► be your cloud backup service they want to be your primary storage and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► your only stories therefore cos is there even easy way to like maintain a local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► copy of everything or do they really not want to do that that's what I'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► at I don't know like maybe that's the long-term plan obviously the right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► they are perfectly willing to be on everest they will pull in content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► sit like you don't have to manually so I took some new photos with my phone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► they were every time you launch the app it will sync up any new photos you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► taken any time at anything to my photos I'm not using up there at this point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► up there is every time I launch it is playing all that stuff in so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► great sort of on-ramp like that they they want to make it easier for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► to lunch at that and say we know you have elsewhere and probably you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► keep yourself elsewhere and probably going to deal with elsewhere but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► here too and they would have to sort of get you into the flow by saying we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► cheaper than your other hosting a more reliable than photos eventually become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► trustworthy I mean realistically speaking depardieu by somebody for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► of this happens but look impressive but you know I don't see any reason why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► would you getting out of things like would you would you ever like put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► stuff in there would you trust it as primary stories because they're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► to get rid of backups I don't know that I could do that well I mean like its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► aspiration obviously get rid of backups because if immediate your datacenter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► stuff right so where is gonna have a nice have you know my my backups and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► Time Machine and I clone and and the question of can you have locally copies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► were yep I just keep using photos and I have one of them access to always have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► low copy the photos and have 17 backups of that including online like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► way I will continue to go but I could see for example not enabling the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► thing that lets you know that whatever the iCloud photo library lets you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► your entire library on your phone because it's too onerous or maybe an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► enabling but never going to like for example when someone says I like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► be accessed 04 Leverkusen as someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► ask questions like What did you know you could look like when he was three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► old right I like being able to launch a thing on the phone and go to the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► and say you know I have access to everything I think this year but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► lowered to do that with iCloud photo library than it is to do that with up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► there just because it is I can go to the year faster and faster and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► that's that's a win for me of that that takes over that role where I no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► go to photos to look at my photos I just go up there because the same things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► both places and has nothing to do with that said whatever it's a long road from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► there to the aspirational goal of like a week it by yourself and that's right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► I i truly believe in that state not the end of backups but maybe in the backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► for regular people like where you could get it to the point where it's reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► on redundant enough that you won't be a big thing about now you're obsessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► people like have you ever backed up your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► have you enabled like that for a library if I run over your phone with the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► did you just lose the pictures of your infant child has now five years all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► because you never impede your phone before the whole problem filling your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► phone with photos like all those concerns I would like to be addressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► then go adding Android is better to dressing down Apple's catching up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► the photo library and up there is trying to say we're out we're way out here at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► the extreme where you guys want to be and I'm selling it as a competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► between implementations really at this point and their implication looks pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► they slept for three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► Leinart fracture and Harry's and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin to see it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5328">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► I do about plugging it is quite good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► magical you spent well maybe you didn't spend any money this week Marco but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5392">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► kid yourself to spending some money sometime soon you wanna tell us about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► that I spent son is a deposit yes so in order to test left and you lost the bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► I know I I knew already that I lost the bet nobody else did the bet was in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► in the winnings were just bragging rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► the bet was that Marco would absolutely get the performance version of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► testified that he ended up buying and that's because Marco doesn't typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► know how to do halfway on anything as it turns out I lost the bet and you did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► p90 no deal whatever it is I forget the different permutations what did you end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► up getting I want to run run through the set up with us I got the 9th ed so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► approximately m5 speed and maximum range available in a test today it's white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► because it's the only color cars can be in getting its read my first non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5455">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► dark-colored car in a long day ever really my first non black car in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► decade at least so red Tesla 9th ed is coming in late March when my lease is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► but I ordered it now to get take advantage of some discount they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► running before the year was nineteen silver cyclone wheels I know in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► pictures so I can read you can argue that the dark colored wheels would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► probably look better and in pictures they do first of all I think up-close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► look a little bit flat like it they almost look like painted plastic I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► they're not just like the finish on them is kinda like flat a little bit dull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► they also because it is just like you know i didnt color coding on top of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► regular one of these made it a steel aluminum metal depends anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► whatever metal it is probably aluminum the dark colored wheels any kind of curb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► rash anywhere any scratches whatsoever on them that bright color metal below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► just shines right through and you can see everything and and sure enough I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► whatever i'd i'd be a Tesla dealer looking at these things they would often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► in the lot like you know just getting service to people visiting to cooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► utensils or whatever and every car I saw in person that was a customer-owned car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► that had dark wheels on it had very visible scratches on those people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► just drive just can't drive went past a black model S today with the big dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► colored wheels at the supermarket their red brake calipers too I think there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► no scratches on the yeah if it has the red calipers that is AP model it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► tempting to spend twenty grand extra just for red calipers but I did not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► a lot more than red calipers but point noted will but obviously so you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► red calipers and you get the faster rear-ended another has the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► the two engines the rear engine is faster but those are actually the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► two differences plus you get less range but like the suspension is all the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► everything else about the cars the same I've confirmed with multiple people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► my drive and it totally is certainly seems that way the the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► different is the engine the red calipers and you the option for a spoiler on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► back of a hate you got red you got the 19 inch super cyclone wheels what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► options he said ninety days ninety black interior sunroof auto pilot range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► upgrade premium interior the big national seats I did not get the smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► air suspension this I was going to and i did some reading and did some research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► and it sounds like the air suspension really does make the car feel more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► a cushy or softer ride and I did not think that that was even when I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► let alone worth $2,500 extra on the purchase price even the leasing still it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► would be out paper behalf of that so i didnt get smart air suspension I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► more firm sporty ride and I did not get the ultra high fidelity sound because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► I did a back-to-back tests of those in the showroom an Patel's very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► difference in the two sound system than either of them sounded great to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► they presented honestly pretty mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► I figured I might as well not spend extra money on mediocrity I did get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► sub-zero weather package because they live in a place with bill seasons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► did not get the rear facing seats because for the next three years of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► lease will cover my wife I decided that we would probably not be comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► with our kid in those seized during this age period by enough to make it worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► getting them for an extra $3,000 where'd you get as the interior trim like accent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► get but carbon fiber looking you know that was actually a tough call the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► carbon fiber looks decent but kinda like hurt my eyes and anticipate you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► matters a lot because she has the passenger usually when I'm driving she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► sees the trim way more than I do cuz it's as big strip right front passenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► side and in the driver side you don't really see much of it so she didn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► for the carbon fiber so you know that was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► the two would like a basically a glossy and matte what I didn't look at the map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► so I was basically I between glossy wood and the piano black the piano black my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► current car has that I know I like it is very nice that being said it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► fingerprints and scratches like crazy but I decided ultimately I would rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► have your printed piano black trim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► like it better I'd rather have that than perfect glossy wood trim and stoked I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► yeah I'm actually looking forward to 20 something new I mentioned before I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► having him five it's been great I do however miss although Dr yes I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► they're adding it to the next model but it isn't there now I also mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► earlier that I really want a quieter car BMW does not currently sell a quieter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► car that has all wheel drive that has a transmission that I would tolerate said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► maybe the is is 335 extra is still available and stick you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► know it's a 340 now anyway but I honestly don't know I would think not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► think I think it might be that would probably only option 25 sears is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► out of 5 Series you can't get that you can't you can get a stick with I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► drive if at all anymore and you can't deceive any the five series and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► not drive the Sprott oh yes I've driven it and no it is not the same as if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► test is it in some ways it's not as good as as the m5 and I'm not expecting it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► jurors the interior is more luxurious feeling no question and very much going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► to miss the heads up display and the top-down parking camera that since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► last real-time follow-up you can get a 340 i xDrive with a manual transmission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► ok so that is the only other car BMW makes that would consider getting right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► now to the new lineup but that also I I really don't like the F 33 series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► honestly I don't like it I don't like the steering system I don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► for the way it looks and and I think the interior has actually gotten lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► quality in certain ways in the previous three series and the lack of the All [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► button on the climate control just kills me that is really insane I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► why you're not shopping Mercedes at this point you never talk never talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► Mercedes but he's now safely within the most diverse cities you know market I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► did I i recent trip I actually I rented a Mercedes guy I was on a trip about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► year ago I had to rent a car and I rented a e-class their version 5 Series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► yeah yes I rented and eat something something it was like the v-6 roughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► 300 horsepower like they basically their version of 335 early 535 I wouldn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► that but yeah anyway so I rented that a driver for a few days and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► really nice driving car but definitely not for me overall I think they I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► first of all I don't care pharmacies designs very much at their little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► dated for me well when you say that you mean exterior design yes host I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► they've gotten pretty lili although that being said the brand brand brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► ones are very bubbly and I'm not as into that but up until about this year the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► there was like a five-year stretch where they went from really really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► boring to actually very pretty but for me it's a non-starter because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► believe in three pedals I know but like but he doesn't have three pedals anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► anyway he has a has introduced as I understand like I feel like a Mercedes S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► Class like when you come back from your hangover by then the S Class might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► like it might be I don't know but I also I I really don't care for the mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► media system change every year but he's not received at five years or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5933">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► but yeah I know they're all they're all terrible and yeah I mean I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► to be tested forever I'm saying we are going to be tested for the next three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► that's the police cars but so I i am looking forward to trying something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► to try and electric to it being a truly different and I'm seeing as I said when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► I drove them to at least feeling modern really filled with today and you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► 30 in three years and I have to choose my next vehicle whether I get another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► test or something else by that time there will probably be more options or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► options from the other luxury brands right now there really isn't much there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► will definitely be there forever they've all got a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► fighters in in the works like that that Porsche concept looks really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► honestly I don't know if that will get that would pan out into something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► god knows how much it will cost to it does but it does look really nice on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► paper at least we'll see what happens with Mercedes and BMW and Audi and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► know and you know even accurate any anybody else we'll see what happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► their electric department right now as I have to make a decision right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► Tesla is by far my favorite option of what I was available right now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► excited for you should be really awesome to be sad to not have you personally in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► the BMW family anymore but at least your family will still be a BMW family don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► worry I'm sure at some point we'll be back there is a lot about the way BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► does things that I do prefer you know I do prefer not having a giant touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► screen I think you know it will see again we'll see what happens when I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► it but I do think I'm gonna prefer still haven't hardware knobs two giant screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► if given the choice I do certainly like a heads up display and I do like the BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► quality interior and that's in the 5 series so maybe eventually there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► and all-electric 5 series that will be really compelling that will be nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► me that because that will eliminate the problem I have with the regular 5 series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► of having a transmission I hate if they can move to not having a transmission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► that does solve the probable we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► did you ask people if the model is designed for short trips can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► examined her will is designed for that chicken salad John thing on my stomach I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► prefer XO Why What yeah this is worse than the windows thing I'm not against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► my go-to I would get cinnamon raisin bagel with egg salad on it wrapped up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► wax paper and then cut in half through the wax paper as you know as a proper ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► there are so many things wrong with this kid Kerr first of all is similar raisin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► bagel does not belong with any of the salads that is that is it illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► combination you're wrong you are so about that you don't know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► missing john you're out of your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► second of all eggs salad only belongs on bread not bagels because it is such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► soft feeling that you bite into a bagel it squeezes out I understand I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6116">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► understand the difficulties to hold the magic is getting that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► it seems like it shouldn't work it seems like it should be a disaster that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► would bite down at all we do is cause the bagel to choose digs out shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► out the side with an empty bag with but know it can be done we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► you know your local deli that but you know I enrolled in during cutting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► basically right but they rapid really tightly and holding during cutting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► you can move them back and eat it and it won't come shooting out the side and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► the bagel is fresh and it's not like a stale big hard brick Cape thing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► actually buy it and not lose all of your Excel is a delicate balance I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► this is I haven't had a good one of those I don't know how many decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► because ever be this terrible concept as a great content and is an advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► technique for you with if you want to make a bagel sandwich at home for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► example say you want a peanut butter and jelly on toast a bagel bitchez fabulous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► to the bagel shop and that it was always a disaster whenever somebody order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► because that squeezes out like crazy I know I know let me give you a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► billion toasted bagel home how can you possibly make that work it seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► should work on all right you don't know now you do we have we have ways so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► toast the bagel and then one half of it you sort of dig a trench for the judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► to go and you don't play at all the insides leaving a trench then you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► the Chilean the trench the peanut butter that legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► the peanut butter will stay on its own for the most part then you assemble it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► you can eat that sandwich nothing else we're out the side if assembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► correctly nothing about the size and what you have is a toasted bagel sammich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► the things I do with bagels understands these advanced techniques Vance that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► not sure that Holmes first of all accounts it counts as well as a key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► hollow out some part of you eat the part you take out throwing it away the trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► is not takes so much out of it you just basically left with just a crust right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► you have to take just the right amount will tuna has enough stretch into his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► very similar chicken salad and texturally it has enough strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► internally to tolerate you can get more you can get more in there anyway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► don't always have to do with Tony right it can hold together I like to sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► and I like bagels and I like bagels with tuna or chicken on them at no point have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► I ever had a bagel with tuna salad or chicken soured and thought I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► find ways to show up more of it and here I thought that because you can fit a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► in the regular way it really depends on how stiff your mixture as you know John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► and it is there all good things that are going hungry even thinking about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► you're so wrong with these are all delicious things these are all delicious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► things that you can make in your own home you did these are terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► things to know everything you just said has been wrong the first time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6294">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► any input about what's proper aideed bagels from some of his regime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► second of all I'm also not going to take that interview somebody who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► recently moved to New York which one of us is a New York right now oh recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► eight years ago her up there now what I got a big salad I i just am so i cant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► get past against egg salad is it and some anti-aids exam is delicious I i in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► general I I think I am against it and I i mean alot of fakes out of my life now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► the truth comes out against the egg salad bar garment against the bed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► america is that exactly what happened to me a salad is not worth it when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► other options that are similar to its only if all you have in a store is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► salad finally takes out but if right next to it is tuna salad and chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► salad those are both way better so I can be in any context in which I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► choose egg salad with chicken or tuna salad or cream cheese or any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► league sandwich topping were available I I like all of those things those are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► good I feel like you have to mix it up you don't have the same thing every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► you know maybe maybe your place that makes better chance than a cake so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► cannot turn your nose up that I have never had egg salad that was good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► to overcome decent chickens out like I've had i think is fine but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► most I've ever thought about six hours it's fine in other forms like I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► deviled eggs which are very similar really in a deviled eggs have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► similarities in taste and ingredients to exile just in different shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► preparation but you know I love Asian other forms just egg salad is it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► so mediocre compared to the other options that it's usually next to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► exiled is the sesame bagel of the salad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► Abbott sesame bagels but you have to send email there one of the greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► what I have against them is similar to have against a stout it's not worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► when you have better options nearby so it's like a sesame bagel is fine I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► they're fine chocolate cake for every meal every me john john you've been out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► of new york particular lost touch it it's no I am the only one here who is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► touch you got use in Virginia and we've got him is coming around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► outside of bagels who was only recently which one of us goes to build up every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► day in New York oh that's right I i'm saying I guess you're coming from Ohio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► or average is trying to figure out this crazy new world and making it up as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► go along the way it is why would you go get a sesame bagel with egg salad again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► sesame bagels and against the exam is not a position you want to stake out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► an everything bagel with chickens out which is right next to those two you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► can't have everything on it you're always going to have never done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► everything big wasn't great but the whole idea that every single time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► have it you have the most you know the best topping the big with the most stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► on it sometimes you gotta have you know there's a certain place for the poppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► seed bagel sometimes you can have the plane bigger why would anyone there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► a plain bagel people do it happens sometimes that's the right combination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► by not getting the really expensive tests you still getting the everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► bagel with chicken salad because you can't bring yourself to have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► that you consider lesser but they're not lesser they're just different I mean I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► have different big orders like I love a toasted bagel with butter and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► gonna love butter everything is a good choice but so is rye or pumpernickel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► everything to make anything anyway because those things are actually good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6534">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► bagels are like they're like I would say a properly a proper toasted rye bagel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► with butter is just as good as it has everything bagel with butter but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► sesame bagel is like the plane go to the dakotas his again either plaintively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► and the topping is included in everything and itself has almost no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► got everything it's already trying to find some common ground here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► caraway seeds and everything bagels yes I now know what I could just making sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► that some people some people want that know everything bagels require five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► things sesame poppy garlic onion salt it is missing any of those things don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► leave out the salt midwestern people it is missing any of those things it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► a proper everything bagel some people like the caraway seeds I gotta say no to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► that also some people put some flowers he done which is illegal now forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► about the snow on there I can't handle it comes to John you're so out of touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► it it's the only one who's in touch on the only one with authentic bagel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► experience in Connecticut have gotten nothing and Marco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► tourists will see big leading world email John this weekend tell you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► leading world it's not it's not a democracy is the people who live in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► New York metro area and everybody else and everyone else is wrong and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► right we don't live in the New York metro area I did I lived there I am I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► from there I will it will never leave me he can take whatever out of new york you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► know that you left it and I'm here today I can I can I can it's a Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► John so much right now this is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► this really is worse than the like 90 windows thing I now i cant believe me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► bagels seriously protesters outside your house a sesame bagel with egg salad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► terrible it's so boring I don't have a sesame CII absurd it's like pairing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► know pairing wine with meals no its not that that's that's kill yo yesterday yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► that's where you're wrong you don't even understand you don't even know this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► skill that you can have let alone have the skills they pairing lightly flavored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► water sharing the bagel with the thing you put on it is a skill I agree I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► don't think you have everything goes on an everything bagel right here I will I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► will fix this Marco do you or do you not put locks on a bagel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► I don't I don't like fish box but I recognize that you've ruined my many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► people love putting lox and bagels and were I to choose a bagel for locks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► everything will be pretty high on the list cuz I know people like that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► like salt garlic onion flavor with the loss I know it's a very common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► combination John do would you do lox and bagel you know that finally we agree you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► too so ignorant but I just don't like fish when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► I have tried like I know what I'm missing and i'd like every time I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► like fish for four years like if you have to have a good for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► good fish seems like I don't like sushi either there's some overlap there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► ever so you haven't had good sushi and eventually somebody brings me to a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► where they say ok this is good next thing I don't like I try it and I get I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► give it an honest shot and I hardly ever end up liking it but at least I but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► can at least in an okay i atleast know what I'm missing now I N I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► confirmed that I honestly don't like this but I've had the good thing maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► can see why you like it you know but I can't see why anybody ever order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► acceptable for anything that's why I tried to call you when I'm there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► seems like if you were going to be a big ol you might as well just get plane or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► if you if you want if you want flavor and stuff you get everything can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► agree on sesame only you are agreeing on sesame and the rest of the New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► metro area is not a state to meet the sesame bagel is it's like that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► like that's what the duck computer that's my favorite kind of bagel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► like them all but he would you put on it in your expert bagel pairing experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► things the things that pair well with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► surveyed with butter on it is very nice to meet with two very nice if I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► get to consolidate your daily I would probably go with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► get to consolidate your daily I would probably go with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6807">TS</a>]
00:00:00 ◼ ► your shopping done I think but I haven't wrapped everything yet and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► always leaves me wondering like maybe I forgot something or somebody or I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/6">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► get enough for somebody or something so it's always a baseline level of stress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/11">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► mode is very worried about not having gotten somebody something or enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/15">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► that's why you have a spreadsheet to track these sorts of things that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/19">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► be wise if I was thinking that far ahead yes I will I agree that that's the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/24">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► of thing I should do I assume john has just a series of scripts to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► what to buy people now I don't do anything I was thinking maybe you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► have just a large number of Windows I've met that would be merry you like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► like one window that has like 50000 tabs right in it that was just like one tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► for every person I've ever known for each gift that you might someday maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► wanna get them plus the one you did get them to the path for comparison a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► reference accident does make a lot of money that you need burndown chart for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► number of gifts you have to buy other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► burndown chart I was meant to say there's no way market knows that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► nice who doesn't like business yeah not suffer development thing but also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► business thing what happens in a burned-out try to me it sounds really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► fun and getting it isn't now it's not so you're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► think it's because they look like flames of hell like a layered bar chart but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► you're trying to make it go down to 0 like you're trying to make all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► different things like how many of Acts how many or how many of the little bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► over time trying to do is drop them all to hear anybody and he gets the call I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/84">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► in the midst of reconciling our visa bill which is making me mildly upset cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► it's the holidays like during the podcast I'm almost done if you want we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► can we can discuss watching paint dry as best they know this is hugely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► entertaining we can we can walk through a sort algorithm on the air and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/103">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► like an example data set of a house or diagram sorts it out on super fun yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► use this app called money while which is what a name just check your money down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/113">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► oh well I was like oh well at some point to leave right now it's a bucket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/117">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► full of money but anyway so I like for transactions away from reconciling my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/123">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► delightful because of the holiday season now I'm broke the fact that your holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/129">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► purchases are already on a bill you've received means that you are way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/135">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► ahead of the game that I well we should start with this is a monumental so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/139">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► is a Christmas miracle to the best of my knowledge and i am not presently looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► at the notes cuz I'm finishing writing spelling bees that bill but to the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► of my knowledge still just how long it will take to you sit here and wait watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/155">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► this and we can't watch has not seen anything boom reconciled done how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► it feel to be reconciled so great except now I gotta pay is not cheap but you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/165">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► reconciled that that is so it's like closure for all of your money or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► saying goodbye to all of your money in a fully closed state that's true you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/177">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► say I have some reconcilable differences but you reconcile them you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► reconcile differences away waiting for that market in but I guess you just give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/184">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► up that was pretty proud of that anyway what the crap we talked about earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/190">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► outside do we are doing not have follow-up I should take a screenshot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/198">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► our show notes where there is the heading follow up there is a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► bullet and there is nothing else runs on vacation I think we had a couple of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► shows were there was nothing that I can make something out of nothing but I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► anything to make up is everyone is off and went on to star wars and on vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► and follow-up to that end can we establish that I have not seen Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/218">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► and I presume marco hasn't either and so I do not wish to talk about it and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► not assume Marco never will so that's true well actually I wanted to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/227">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► this episode with with a bit of a game with a three truths and a lie on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/231">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► things from corporate america as ice-breaker they use so so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/238">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► here's here's three truths three statements of these are true and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► them is allowing you to figure out which one is the understatement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► any of our any of these things store spotless no number one I wrote my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/250">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► swift code not possible number two I played journey number three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/256">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► I went to see Star Wars and number for a start using Pinterest I went to see Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/263">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► Wars the line because martin Dempsey things Casey I would concur with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/269">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► but it's hard to vote against you actually writing like there's no way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► for this way if you're such an old man that there's no way but I would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► agree with John that that that is the line that you you you have not seen Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► Wars you should go with your instinct AC really useful Star Wars and I didn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/287">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► said what if I went today to a movie theater to see Star Wars wow how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/293">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► that help whose idea was that I'm flabbergasted was actually my idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► she was also planning on going anyway so it's kind of mutual did you do this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► so you can read the internet without worrying about spoilers or maybe tipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► it was worried about the policy will part of it was because I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/311">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► basically has no podcasts left my podcast player that I can play without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/316">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► everything that I haven't listened to this week is about Star Wars and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► listened to everything else so you actually concerned about hearing stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► suppose that means like otherwise you'd like whatever star respond with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/328">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► something I don't care I'm never going to say it was the greatest thing is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► know all of you Star Wars fans have been trying so hard to avoid spoilers to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/335">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► to ridiculous lanes I successfully avoided any split about the movie simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► by just not really caring about the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/343">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► I don't put any effort into avoiding spoilers but I went into the theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/347">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► today knowing nothing about being pleasantly surprised by everything in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► yeah i i i would say I've been avoiding spoilers but I haven't been going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/355">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► particular links to do so it's just if i seemed like a tweet fly by the looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► like it might be spoiler spoiler and then I'll just skip over it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► haven't been reading reviews or anything like that I'd ask friends that have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► it do you like it and that's all I've asked and you've got me some hints as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► the quality of the movie but I've not seen it I'm hoping the air and I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► able to see it maybe even tomorrow actually but but I'm still avoiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► spoilers and I think my time is running out because I think the Internet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► kinda collectively decided from what I can tell that shortly after Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► all bets are off in and everyone's going to talk about everything and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/391">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► that's part of why I went to see it because I'm fine ignoring major cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/395">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► events I've never seen any of Lord of the Rings never seen Harry Potter never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/399">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► seen Twilight anything like it looks like the big movie franchises have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/403">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► either never seen or seen some along time ago and never again let me help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► Lord of the Rings big waste of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► Harry Potter's pretty good reverse that please e-mail John anyway so but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► one this one felt very very important to my circles like more so than those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/418">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► ones did and also I i have seen movies I I did enjoy them you know I am A Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/424">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► Wars fandom is not like a massive star wars Star Wars fan in general so I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/430">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► want to see it at some point I was planning on watching it when it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► the video maybe or something I get on Netflix when I figure like it is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/439">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and it's so important you know in in the in the circles that I know I live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► that I figured I kinda had to go see it in the theater I should have gone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/448">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► plain states in retrospect the links you would go to to prevent yourself from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/453">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► writing any swift that should have been the opposite I mean you have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► through some serious mental gymnastics in order to get to the point that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► can justify not writing swift I didn't say I'm never ready for the time saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► no transcript yet but I do intend to learn it probably when 3.0 comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► next year because they're doing a bunch of big changes to lead up to that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► you could just change your mind about it recently like in the past like oh I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► you know that Pakistan was like I'm not gonna lie within the open source thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► came out and turned around so you're trying to do so but the real tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► that the fact that we're talking about star wars and that prompted you to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► the crystal I think so I mean I already had the list I mean I knew you played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/493">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► journey and other ones are easy so I was just down to the swept in the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► it just seems so crazy viewed actually the house and go to a movie theater to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/503">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► Pinterest thing didn't you didn't have any possible to Pinterest thing I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/509">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► know you to purchase and you know how do you know everybody here puppies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► that's right she did yes I I joined a bit I started to Pinterest account so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► could collect pictures of puppies watches and things I want to buy for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► house like pipe heating rap and the Icicle melting zigzag wired you put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/524">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► the roof exciting stuff if you find good good pipe wrap whatever you wanna call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/530">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► it tell me because I have stuff around my business stuff you put around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/535">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► pipes to keep the heat from Chris leaking out into the areas where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► know it's it's too late to print them from freezing if you have a pipe in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► uncertain space so it's like we have on the garage from forever ago its ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► you know two conductor cable too just like a heat wire that wraps in a coil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► around a pipe that runs through our garage is insulated said I could freeze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/555">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► that it has burned out and no longer heats so I'm looking at new solution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/557">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► that and they're all basically scaring me into either not doing it or having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► electrician do it because in all basically says that these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► insanely dangerous and you will start fires and they all require insulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► around the pipe and everything and yes I'm probably gonna actually outsources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► living in the northeast is the best because you have to worry about BS like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► not right but what you have really is is months of depressing evil terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/582">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► winter light season whereas I have this brief rest bit from from wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/588">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► weather with slightly less wonderful weather and then it's back to wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► weather again so you can you continue being smug up there and your when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► tundra and how that works out it was wonderful there we went there in July I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/601">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► was I was really wonderful whether you had there was one such it was very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/606">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► when you get here even for us it was extremely hot also order to test this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► week that's the big week for you I killed the web fun on your website which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/617">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► by the way I don't really agree with I think that whatever font you have going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► not making me happy no i i don't think I found a solution that I am experimenting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► with Google web font and might lead to a different web font because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/632">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► service I was using the the heifer and Co [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► their ideals and found them in a few benchmarks done by people have shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► that typically their web surfing is not as fast as type kid or some of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/646">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► big web services and not as fast as as self hosting and stuff and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► allow cell hosting they become a weird thing where they you have to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► their CDN but then it redirects to the font files on your server with no cache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/661">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► headers so that your meeting with clients make two requests one of them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► going back to your slow server and not to their CDN to actually get the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► files you know the big like 300 kilobytes where the files and no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► they're really good I really like this one fight they have a very nice funds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► over there but I'm going to look at other options now because they just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/679">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► was just too slowly if you look at the time with the network timeline in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► women's better time to taking during this page it's just insane and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/686">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► argue and I've heard many counter arguments for why i shouldn't worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► about the speed of my website loading most of it down to either that I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► like a secluded and then either pop it in or save it for the next load and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► it on the next load both of those I think so because they are good options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/704">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► just for you know user experience was like why why would I want to do either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► of this you know the other answer was why do you care it's just a blog it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/714">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► doesn't matter how quickly it looks and that's BS because not only does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/718">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► matter quite a bit how quickly pages load to whether people complete the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► loads but we're talking about loading a 300 kilobyte resource that requires two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/726">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► requests to be made before the patient even begin to look this is like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► head on mobile and when you have bad connections and everything that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► matter that really does add up to a significant delay we're loading a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► when you better big image because I can load after the pictures when you're on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► mobile connection that really matters and it turns out that my traffic like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► everyone's traffic is mostly mobile these days and you have to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► that when you're a blogger or any kind of content site especially a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► content site read by tech people you're gonna see a large portion of traffic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► mobile many of those people will be on cellular at the time they're loading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► yes it would be nice if I didn't have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/768">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► refunds on my site but also be nice if my page loads very quickly so I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/773">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► have to balance those things I think maybe doing typed it might be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/778">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► bit better because it's just a faster web host may be doing self hosting would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► be a little bit faster because then you know it could become the connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► little bit better than going off to a different host so we'll see I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► believe what led you to do all this because no disrespect intended it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/795">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► to me that you've kind of another abandoned but avoided writing posts for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/800">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► a while now I mean you'll you'll read your post to this show to under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► radar but I haven't seen a whole lot of real writing from you in a while outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/811">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► of you know when you had headphones or podcast Mike so what have you so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► what inspired you to just start paying attention again I was inspired by being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► forced by Dropbox right right right basically I use a Dropbox BlogEngine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► never hurt nobody else could you please don't use it it it's it's terrible but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► like it's good for me and the they they ended support for the version that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/835">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► probably ancient the the Linux class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► that I was using for Dropbox on my ancient server running its ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/843">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► distribution of CentOS I think 5.5 or something so it was running an old stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► an old version of their thing and I couldn't update it without upgrading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/852">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► some pretty big things like lives see and hear what he was basically saying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► the internet never agree Lipsy on a Linux system if you can help it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/861">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► kind of a problem so I migrated to my whole blog to a new server also I I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/866">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► every Linux is basically like yeah rock-solid runs forever it's great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► you want to upgrade it forget it please don't do this you really shouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/878">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► this you should never have great a Linux server but you know like never ever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/882">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► distribution that they all say that like don't do that the solution to upgrading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► a Linux server is to abandon it and make a new one so that is what I did it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/889">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► was already like in their mucking around with the guts of it and setting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► everything new and clean so I figured while I'm here let me also take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► opportunity to modernize its so so I switched over to https and everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/904">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► now a CBS I dropped the WWW prefix you know all this fun stuff to modernize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/910">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► side so part of that was let me I'm thinking about dropping a while it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► actually about to get bills annually and it was about to bill me again hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► and sixty bucks only know maybe this is a good time to reconsider whether I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► to keep using those funds let me try without it all that being said you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► right I have barely written anything on the site of any consequence in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► time in months really and you know part of that was the last time I wrote stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/936">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► about at pricing it went very very badly and support of that was just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/940">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► rethink what audience I want to be writing to who's reading this do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/945">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► really care do i do I want to be taking the risk of some of the things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/950">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► want to say to risk getting all the feedback from it and and being a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/955">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► named right over the internet and horrible ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► and starting about the drama and most of time just not worth it to me honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► anymore it's just not worth it I do want to keep writing but I'm I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/967">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► going through a process where I want to try to figure out what I want to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► writing on the site because having the kind of potentially controversial tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► topic discussions I think are better here where it's more human and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► know me better and and you guys are here to rebut and to provide your own answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/984">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► to things that I'm just not going off the deep end going crazy and getting all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► the trash I said something horrible without any kind of a bottle and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► developer help things I I would rather do that on under the radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/998">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► the other podcast they do with an affidavit Smith anything doesn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► there anything that is kind of helpful to developer economics i think im just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► not gonna reveal any more because it has proven not to be worth it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► have a lot to talk about I can blog about headphones and coffee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► microphone justify that I can I can talk about lots of other things without being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► at that controversial or at least controversial in those ways that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► been kinda burned by so I feel a figure out over time I i I have noticed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► not writing anything of substance in awhile is not making me feel good and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► it actually making me a worse podcaster because as you can tell by this long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► rambling thing I kinda not only do I have liked more to say that like builds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► up in me all week and I like spewed I don't want a podcast and that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► but also made my argument on the podcast are getting less coherent and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► organized I i think that is because parsing 11 sick for like three weeks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► partially because I think not writing is actually making three arguments in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► more weakly structured or more weakly organized it that makes sense that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► right and don't publish it that's one way to do it or like a private email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► list or something like that that might be a good idea I'm not sure if it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► be as good if you if you only surround yourself with people that agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► more that want to to read it or if you're a poor writing for something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► is such a small audience possibly have just you then I think you you lose the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► ability for people to improve you in in constructive ways and I think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► be unfortunate and when it would not give the writing as much value to me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► as it would for you know those in public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► gonna give you a constructive improvement but I just realized my just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► because I'm just check reload I didn't see the name of the CSS if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► think it's now just chrome nevermind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► gonna complain that the new fund your chosen apparently didn't have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► for the cloud icon the EU's next the streaming heading in the overcast to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► post but it's it's a black lab looks like a little tired but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► nevermind carry on I don't understand why everyone loves cum so damn much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► close to sealing successfully so they've got that going for ya well see I turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► off her name but she may have found somebody had found a way to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► defaults write for Tweetbot which I know is not use John but to do it defaults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► write to just direct to the actual URL instead of a Chico linked quarter were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► calling them and then that that made everything a million percent better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► all of the issues that so many people seem to have a safari I genuinely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► never run into them but you haven't got the one the new one in capitan where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► the entirety of the window chrome becomes inert like you can't put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► insertion point the address bar you can't click the window with just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► can't look in the toolbar buttons you can't use the scroll bar got that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► twice a week now no but remember that I have a scene amount of taps open I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► have 3,000 windows and 4,500 taps to browser windows open then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► and one of them is dead again I'm sure that these people who say that so far is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► a piece of crap I'm sure they're saying that for a reason but darned if I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► why because my experience does not match with that I just I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► chrome is bad outside of the piss-poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► just awful emoji support I don't think from is bad I don't I don't feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► brings anything to the table that I care about and again I'm sure that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► they're all sorts of chrome like die hard chrome plans that are firing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► email clients right now they're not the reason gmail is exactly probably using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► Gmail to rate me some sort of nasty gram but the things that chrome did better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► than than Safari and maybe that's true I'm not saying that they're wrong but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► my personal experience I have never thought to myself you know what I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► wish I could use Chrome for this because it does whatever better though I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► run both are you so far as my primary I used to use from Nice to like use one at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► work one home so I got it would be up to them and now you are now for a while the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► primary chrome is my is my flash isolation area but anyway but chrome is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► it has always been very consistent for me with performance with reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► everything safari is all over the map with every new version so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► sometimes so far is great for a while sometimes Safari gets slower buggy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► inconsistent or crashes or something for a few releases and in my experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► chrome is just way more consistent also I think from has the better web dev [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► tools most of the time so we'll see anyway we will hear from all the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► people and what they think because I believe has more market-driven safari in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► pretty much every bite by anyone's metric and pretty sure it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► substantially had a safari now so that the world has voted just like they used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► to vote for Compaq Dell computers that those are the best side so not speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► of things that are awesome why don't you make us happier after mentioning compaq [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► in Delhi and tell us about something that is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► there's a company out there that I have just talked about for the first part the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► part that's quite a bit and it's called line owed or Linode I don't even know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► it's Linux cleanness Leinart I don't know but I say line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► node it's a webhost it's been around for a long time now and I have been honored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► customer myself for quite a long time I think he like six or eight years at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► least I've been there awhile I have done a lot of web hosts in in my time I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► used a lot of them big and small from from you know as tough as big as hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► the first four years of tumblr at a at a huge host all the way down to hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► little private sites for myself and my friends everything over the years I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► light line owed so much and they've gotten so good that I now hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► everything that line and I think I have one dedicated server left somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► for some artillery attacks only because I haven't gotten around to it yet it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► such a great host and I you know they can't pay me to say this I'm saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► honestly as me I was hoping to get them as a sponsor because I've used them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► forever and I really do genuinely liked them and recommend them in my opinion it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► is the best value in web hosting today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► major upgrade but two years ago now are year ago when they put everything testes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► so it's all fastball St modern CPUs more recently they switched their hypervisor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► software from Zen to KVM the latest units benchmarks show that it is 300% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► performance increase between 22 KVM from then so I've done it all mine has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► fine rock-solid everything's great you want to host things that why not believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► me like it if you want real web hosting you want access to your own service you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► can configure however you want and you can you can install your own software on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► your own stuff you want to do that line it really is an incredible value for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► what you get it is very affordable to the hardware and saw and speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► bandwidth is solid check it out I use it I recommended line 0 dot com slash ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1436">TS</a>]
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00:24:19 ◼ ► executive lineup John D on account of give us a synopsis as to what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► there was so long ago I can barely remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► that was like right after recording this week's podcast like 11 news they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► gonna dump at the end of the year the news was a fairly tame a reorg where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► sheler got control of the App Store stuff the absence of that used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► under attack you and if you still has like the whole media thing and music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► all that stuff I think and they named what's-his-name Jeff Williams COO but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► was already doing that and not a lot of exciting things they're but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► that developers got excited about is the moving of any apps to responsibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► from one person to another and I guess people are getting hopeful just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► hey it's a change and things are bad now the change has the potential to be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► but those shelter has been in charge of a preview of Marco can correct me if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► wrong for a while now right it's not just that's not new I believe since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► start he's just getting the rest of the App Store and so a preview is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► things that developers complain about a lot and Phil show her always had that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► he's not exactly you're sort of savior of the App Store if you're if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► been disgruntled about a preview stuff that's the shelter and now he's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► rest of the hope is I guess that those shows organization like will improve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► tech parts of it better like make iTunes Connect nice area and let developers use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► test flight and fix the Mac App Store sandboxing people so people can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► test their absence and box like that's the hope that any cues seem to not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► able to roll out be the features like the software and server-based features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► for developers as quickly as developers wanted and it somehow Phil show would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► better I have no idea if that is the case but I have to admit I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► slightly optimistic just because things have been kind of not grade limping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► along for a long time and I like to see some kind of shake up even if it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► the world's most minor shake-up so yeah I mean just to fill out what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► basically the the developer ecosystem of Apple has always been under these three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► different divisions in the company there the engineering division undercut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► they may call the API's new OS isn't everything and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► developer relations division which is under Phil Schiller division under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► marketing and that that does the BBC that the you know the developer program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► and then and also a preview and the app review policies and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► store division and the editorial part of it that has been under attack you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► Services Division and that aside like what happened to be featured and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► store works and and running the store back and everything I would imagine also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► involved the store apps themselves so that it to hell is under three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► divisions you could you could always tell the pastor there has been some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► of like miscommunication or fortune in the past so for example you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► an app that was featured by the App Store editorial team under a DQ because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► it was doing some new cool thing and then the app review team would call up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► and say sorry we're not gonna allows you to take this app down while it's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► featured by the department in in the store and so you have these kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► weird miscommunications or disagreement between the divisions that have caused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► some friction or sumn sumn you know clumsiness and passed the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► site is still under factory still totally separate obviously that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► that makes sense but the developer relations and the App Store is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► together under Phil and interestingly as as a friend Ben Thompson pointed out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► trajectory think this was one of the Private Members Only things but if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► linked to it a lot of people are paying attention to the fact that actually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► Phil Schiller has actually lost a big chunk of his responsibilities in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► well what corporate people called marcom marketing communications which I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► that's that's like advertising stuff right beats me I know nothing about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► stuff anyway that used to be under Phil and now they announced the new hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► whose name I forgot I'm sorry the new hire is now taking over marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► communications from Phil and reporting directly to Tim Cook so this this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► has been removed from Phils played peers and then phil has gained the app stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► and at logically I don't know how this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► you know internally that there's obviously a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► implementation details here that we don't know like the big 12 me is how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► you separate the app stores from the back end that they run on which is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► presumably still under eight accused of it there's some weirdness there I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► imagine but high level it it certainly appears that phil has lost his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► responsibilities of running the like advertising part of it and Dean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► responsibility of running the app stores whatever that includes because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► already ran developer relations and a preview that makes some sense so John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► I'm with you in that I am optimistic about this I don't think we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► see meaningful change the App Store Policies any kind of rule that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► do now and you kind of controversy over a preview I wouldn't even expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► improvements to a preview on the Mac App Store having this occasionally very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► review times I hope they fix that that's that's just messed up that's been it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► embarrassing and that's obviously not the way it's supposed to work to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► your absentee review for a month but you know when it is working like an iOS when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► you typically get in 07 write a review time I don't think we're gonna see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► major changes to that system the system of a preview as we know it today that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► here to stay for a long time because the person who is at the very top of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► organization just took control the entire App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► obviously they're not looking to change that but the things that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► I'm optimistic about here are the first of all a great read on Phil but the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► that I that I know of him or the more that I hear him talk about hear stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► about him the more I think I think I I like him like I think he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► sensibilities that one up with mine more so than most of the other high up Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► executives and and more so that are in the interest of the old apple and I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► to some good and some bad that's why a preview of things going anywhere because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► that you know it's like the old school Apple but overall this is a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► if for nothing else because as you said John it is a sign of of a of a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► big cheese and if you look at like things that stagnant or have problems in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► Apple many of them I would say possibly even most of them fall under the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► division that is clearly a place where they have had a lot of problems in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► past and I i we keep hearing they're doing that they're getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► some of things are doing are better like the new cloud kids stuff the new photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► sync some of that stuff is really good and so I think they are getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► and we're hearing stories about them like running Linux servers now and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► doing this apache besos thing and and now we're probably works with Linux is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► going and we're seeing lots of lots of like rumblings that the department is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► getting better and some evidence that is coming out to the consumers but even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► they start doing really well they also seem dramatically overloaded and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► they seem like they have a lot of trouble making progress on multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► fronts the App Store has basically done nothing like it in the App Store has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► gone almost nowhere has improved very little has changed very little since its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► you know it if you look at the absurd today for the ouster in 2008 it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► yes some things are better but not what not what you'd expect for was a seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► years seven and a half years if not what you'd expect for them in time so to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► a big chunk of of this division out of it under new leadership in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► vision of the company to have that bTW absurd the thing that that control so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► much of my living many people living in the modern computing landscape so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► as a dependent on the App Store and the way its run its policies to move that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► her executive is a big change I think you know it seems like it would be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► change I don't think there's like some paper thing so I I hope that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► sign that they are finally going to change the after they're finally going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► to improve it to start making meaningful changes and again I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► gonna be in regards to a preview I think we're stuck with that for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► but it could be in regards to many things that could use improvement things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► like you know if you want upgrade pricing or trials that's the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► place you know this is the kind of change that would happen if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► App Store or better how I mean if you look at the health of the App Store's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► pretty much all the mix up the iPhone 18 help like they're not in great shape the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► iPhone one is doing ok so beautiful to massive volume but it could still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► some improvement all of that now is kind of we have we have a renewed hope the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► App Store might finally get better because they use did this seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► substantial sounding move I have high hopes for that especially to be under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► Phil he cares a lot about the Mac about the product quality and they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► have moved this for no reason there is nothing pressuring them to move it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► was no like there is no reason they had to do this so they clearly want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► this and it has to have been this this move has to happen for a good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► there is some kind of pressure because when I it's hard so it's hard to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► why things are happening inside applicants obviously the press release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► isn't gonna tell you and I can do is look at the experience I've had in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► company that I work for when they have shuttle people around and the only real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► underlying thing other than stuff you don't know about the information you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► don't have like roanoke like maybe someone you know is going to retire soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► or you know maybe someone has expressed an interest in doing something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► right but usually if some top executive like the CEO whatever is not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► something they want out of some subdivision of the company they've let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► that slide for a while but eventually it's like I've been I wanted acts for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► two years now and this person hasn't delivered it it's time to give another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► person who can sometimes there's the you know give the really hard job to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► one executive who's great for you know doing tackling tough problems and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► person bounces around like the problem solver the fixer the do you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► the call so horrendous acts Casey out some of your reference you don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► is definitely affects their anyway it could be that but I get away it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► someone is not getting what they want out of insert and it could be a summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► not getting what they want added marcom and that's why a new guys to come in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► take it is someone not getting what they want the app so we don't know because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► could be say it's a the marking something stag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► you know Apple's marketing messages in evolving and for a while we wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► change until doesn't seem capable to get out of the rut so what we're gonna do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► we're going to bring in someone new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► they're gonna take over the marketing communication but since no such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► important person you can't take away that from him without giving them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► something else and I need a lot of salsa given over to him alright that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► plausible scenario another one is the one the world languages like ed four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► years we wanted access of you know this outdoor stuff has been happening so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► we're gonna take that away from you and give it to somebody who is more we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► is going to do a better job I don't know the person is gonna do a better job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► that be like there's just so much we don't know but the bottom line is these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► things don't happen without a substantial reason because top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► executives hate having responsibility taken away from them it's not a demotion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► but it's seen as like you know so don't show her is not really you know he got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► bunch of response was taken away but he took the mantle something else I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► like this is you know in the political org chart of Apple's little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► downer and EQ and a little bit of an upper sideways heroin phyllis was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► way it feels to me from the outside and when I think about is you know there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► corrected a little bit little bit down aromatic you what what is it that top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► executives might have wanted that they weren't getting out of it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► makes me think of the success Heights problem things we're in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► but he had the iTunes Store and the App Store and everything was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► gangbusters hey the App Store is super popular everybody loves apps they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► installing stuff in like every year every quarter he you know at every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► meeting and he could be a look at these crazy numbers look how many apps we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► look how many people had ellen's up look how many developers are signed up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► every metric that he could possibly every charge to put up every number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► Heathrow on someone's face was like I'm in charge of the App Store in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► Store is awesome but as you point out Marco at a certain point like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► numbers that the day level off it's like yeah yeah we heard lots about someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► ever bought this hearing about you know developers don't like this or it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► to search in the store or just been but this company to redo the store but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► kinda looks the same and people don't think it's that much better and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► just from regulated like you don't have to be plugged into this community just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► Tim Cook to go to the App Store his own phone to try to find something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► notice that their problems and bring that up two years ago they did you in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► bit like oh you know we'll take care of that no work on this organized into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► seven points like it doesn't you know again things that things that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► who's not plugged into the Daubert you can adjust Tim Cook on his own phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► keep using the app store your bike you know doesn't seem like regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► whether I think this is good or not your number the greater reliability is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► you make a lot of money or whatever it just doesn't seem like it has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► that much better over the past several years so maybe it's time for a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► now this could all be delusions based on our perspective as outsiders and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► who know a lot of developers it could be something entirely unrelated but to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► that's a plausible scenario that that that that he was Coast thing but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► like when when you're on the fun part of the hockey stick it can hide a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► stuff in a certain point lol off or that stuff becomes old hat and you need like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► what have you done for me lately you know what what have you done to the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► Store lately cuz the complaints are there and the feedback is there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► know people leaving the Mac App Store and longer view times I don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► time involved that into you know like features and iTunes Connect and just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► just seems like at this point no matter how distant be removed from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► developer community can do it market just said and say look at what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► upstart was like five years ago and look at what it's like now and think is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► five years with the progress in the App Store and you just have to say no and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► that's why that feels like the strongest reason why there might be a shake-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► related to the App Store regardless of what you think it was just that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► just not progressing in advancing the way you would hope it would also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► you know i i think as as I mentioned last episode I think you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► their their recent product launches the watch the Apple TV and the iPad pro in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► all three of those cases you can very clearly point to the at ecosystem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► the app stores themselves as holding these products back significantly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► the TV app store is frankly embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► there's so little in it it is so hard to use it is so hard to find anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► there's no like there's no like Public Links for TV apps you can't if you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► about like like that land to came out this past week or something I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► get it on my TV or these find out if it was available on Apple TV I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► find information out anywhere except going over walking over the TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► typing poorly planned to into that horrible text entry field and finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► nothing and I wasn't sure like is just bad right now or is it really not here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► and it turns out of the TV I hadn't been out for the TV I would have no computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► or my phone or any other device to have clicked by this inhabitable my TV there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► there are simple things like this where the stores were not helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► it's it's really hinder things not to mention the way bigger challenge of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► developer economics and and making it worth developing for these platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► which is a whole separate discussion but is related to this who's in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► that site who agree I just to give you an example upgrade pricing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► developers and wanted to go to prison for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► top execs me know and Apple are the people saying no to upgrade pricing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► are they still in charge of that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► well I think it was kind of a combo mean that kind of thing before would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► been like 80 if you look at the app review rules there are many interviewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► rules related to pricing and what you what you're allowed to do with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► pricing and what you're not what has to be free what has to do not break or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► have limits on her ever so a lot of that isn't a preview but that any anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► related to things like a great president would have had to be implemented by any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Q's division so that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► spanned both divisions and I think that's one of the reasons why you seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► of that type because it wouldn't it would have involved these two divisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► working together which was probably problematic or at least of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► burdensome be implemented bundles which is like seems like so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► complicated the upgrade price I mean they did then that purchase and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► bundles to features that are fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► complicated so it seems like when whoever is the head of the snake want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► change to the economics we want to make bundles possible we want them to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► in-app purchase possible that's going to involve your team ready cuz you gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► handle the bundle and the pricing whenever an in-app purchase gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► like a backend that we're going to talk to whatever but it just seemed to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► that those efforts weren't coming from any cute and I'm just wondering who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► know I upgrade pricing and it happened in terms of the economic issues somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► is setting the policy if you like or dislike Apple still if somebody high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► enough up said you know what we're going to do operate price it would happen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► regardless of who's in charge of implementing it made you a peek ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► and maybe like the interface for an iTunes Connect would be bad baby buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► to begin with it may be difficult for developers to test all the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► can blame on any cure whatever but like I just always wonder where the decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► is made like to have a meeting where they should be revisited upgrade price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► does it never come up like today decide once back when Steve Jobs is still alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► that upgrade pricing is good for developers of bed for users in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► endeavor revisit that decision despite you know but how the iPad pro may change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► that equation or whatever you have to also look at how important is this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► is very important to us how important is this relative to the division it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► the company it's in you know and and so relative to all Apple as a whole I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► know how important they consider things like the App Store and developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► happiness with the App Store everything else I don't know senator sherry faxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► like why aren't more people buying iPad pros why are people leaving the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► Store why are all these awesome apps that we know it's possible to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► appearing on the iPad prob wise Adobe not making a full version of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► for the upper leg all sorts of questions about why aren't people taking advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► or + 21 is that we haven't sold any hardware but it's kind of a chicken egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► situation other answers what is it about specialist advice should I pro like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► is it about our platforms that you know we all know the answers that lends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► itself to applications and a bunch of people right and support what they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► still make money and then abandoned like there is no sort of ten-year twenty-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► application because you can't get any more revenue from them unless it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► it and in-app purchase type of thing where you're constantly you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► currency or whatever you know like other than those model like why why is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► no model for sort of professional applications that people buy on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► regular basis I guess they do subscriptions but then you know we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► know what the the the App Store policies are there that didn't make it difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► to have a sustainable high-end software package that continually its upgraded on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► Apple's iOS platform that is because all the tools people are used to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► don't exist or have a 30 percent taxes just mostly untenable like Adobe loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► their subscription revenue aw would love subscription revenue a lot less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► available to 30% and I mean there have been so mean I there have been so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► unimplemented or lost or cancelled ideas and services and products because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► three percent I mean that is not a small number that that is a number that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► makes or breaks people's business models and a lot of cases going back to ABQ for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► his division like if you look at what else that division had to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► while the actor was under them that's all of iCloud that's all of Siri that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► all of these stores at other stores in music stores that Apple music streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► television planet still hasn't happened right and it's and it's it's all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► content deals its negotiating and dealing with his content companies also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► and Apple has not done well in that area recently and and I don't know if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► just you know you doing his job badly I probably not as far more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► than that now it's not like people have apples number now they have the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► home is easy like it like it and people learn that lesson from iTunes and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► like no intention of giving our business Amazon to check your power Apple so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► it's it's much harder to go because you know Apple doesn't want to come out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► a plan as far as I know nobody has a plan that is a convincing replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► for quarter for real television at this point Apple wants to be the first so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► they're gonna have to be the ones to explain to the big networks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► everybody just trust us this this fungus empower you and you won't lose your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► shirt on this deal but you have to bring the price down because no one's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► buy it if it costs as much as cable but isn't as good as cable which it won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► because they're stupid Apple TV box isn't that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► and it's like this thing we're like the same last week about how Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► really seem to know how to be in a negotiating position of not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► absolute power I think that you know I was less because talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► developers but this week you know i think is very equally to the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► content deals only one willing to say here that in this negotiation between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► Apple and television networks I'm willing to put money that the television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► people are being more reasonable than Apple like they've been every time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► les Moonves makes it a public statement I feel like I don't envy an enviable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► trying to negotiate with these guys because I think that they don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► Apple is trying to explain to them so I really like it's hard to fault Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► these things maybe they are being a little bit stubborn but but she's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► they're trying to pull in industries head out of the sand and it's it's slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► going and that's fair but that industry i think is still doing really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► without Apple and the dynamic is different one of the reasons Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► able to have so much power in music and get some great deals for music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► because the music industry was was kind of naive and also pretty desperate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► in this case today that's not the case anymore especially with with TV industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► like the TV industry still doing very well and still making tons of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► a palatable should have Netflix but wasn't like a Netflix got their first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► right so and then now everyone it's it's it's a bigger mess like your music music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► was more desperate music with smaller and more tractable and nobody knew what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► was going to happen and apple just steamrolled everybody and everyone saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► what happened to everybody who who basically lost power nap on that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► like no we're not doing that against every other industry from e-books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► television to movies everything was like comes calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► look at the music industry as a cautionary tale and negotiate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► we're going to make your own streaming apps and we're gonna make deals with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Netflix and you know who knows what we're gonna do but it's more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► world like it and I do wonder like I don't know anything about it and I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► the guys they talk a big fan of button his shirt yeah but I was wondering like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► what his core skills that is like he's not an engineer at a tax programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► anything we've always heard that he that he is like the negotiator said that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► he is really good at these content deals apparently or I also have also heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► that he has a reputation of like being the fixer getting things done but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► honestly I don't see it not an iTunes Connect know well as is the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► developed problems I mean I think all things associated with like test flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► integration and you know the process visibility into the app review process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► and the ability to contact the Human about your thing and yeah yeah but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► yeah I mean the problems of the App Store go way beyond like the iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► Connect a web interface or so far beyond that and then that's good enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► what it does you know it's not great but it's fine it's like it's like the admin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► panel that ever that we all make for our websites like no one's admin panel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► iTunes Connect is not nice but I don't need Phil Schiller to fix iTunes Connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► you know we we need to fix a lot bigger problem than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► NEQ got a bachelor's in computer science and economics from deep yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► like I don't know I can get a read it was obviously at this level of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► anything you're telling people who are telling people are telling people to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► things with just like its management just I'm trying to think like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► that you do things that were put in a DQ this substantial improvements or they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► gotten better or that you know like he's got a lot of sort of stars on as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► know whatever you call them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► like iTunes and the stores and the App Store especially in the initial part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► lots of big important good numbers he put up there have been a lot of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► bonuses and all of those years and you know everything looked good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► but I just lately not that it doesn't look good anymore still looks good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► said it's like what have you done for me lately what what improvements you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► to the system uses a system people gonna put out they can put them on stories we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► have multiple stores we have other things like but it just doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► like it's progressing like we've all been hearing the exact same complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► from the developer side of it for so many years and so I said that aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► because a lot of people who cares but developers I don't care by developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► Apple should I care about users you know uses you come back above developers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► think that's right users do come about developer censured because there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► many many more of them but it's it's related because like I was using you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► won't be like I don't care what developers think about pressure on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► App Store and at the same time you had perot why isn't there more software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► wisest thing that I downloaded the throw afternoons ever gonna support that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► doesn't work but but like I'm saying set that aside for a second just totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► believe in an important to set it aside I really do feel that from the user's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► perspective the App Store as experienced by the user just talked about a mark on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► the App Store as experienced by users of Apple TV or you know just as a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► going to the App Store finding stuff feeling feeling good and comment about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► the things that you find there I i think that is has not progressed and the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► have gotten deeper and more dangerous the suspects of free-to-play you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► all those mechanics and taking money from people and the cesspit of at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► point sort of single use unsupported applications that are clogging up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► search results and make it much harder to find the one or two good at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► things like they always brag about how many apps they have once that number got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► like six or seven digits it stops being a plus or minus I don't want ten million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► applications I don't want one million applications even 200,000 applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► like seriously you know those all can't be winners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► there's a lot of so should reject more things from the store whatever but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► at a certain point the number of applications you have becomes a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► to solve nothing to brag about their problems are solved is you know Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► has probably millions of products that I find it easier to find decent things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► Amazon you know because they review system is better than Apple's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► they're people like this like that as a little bit better you know like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► parts that have to do with dealing with lots of products and presenting it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► users that part of the experience of being a user of Apple products has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► know again because we think it just hasn't gotten a much better in years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► years and years and so that that is an area I feel like no matter what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► think about you have to say we are not progressing fast enough I turn off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► competitors are nipping at their heels or whatever but if you can make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► experience better as the show but the answer to begin with you can make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► experience better that can do really big things for your bottom line and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► customers that interview developer satisfaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► letting developers be able to respond to reviews or contact people anonymously r [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► like it just does it that's low hanging fruit is not even that big a deal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► yeah well that's you know we can't do that just came out it's been years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► one give you one of those a year for five years and it would make a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► bigger and I know they did things that is mentioned the bundles and in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► purchases arguably are an important thing in subscriptions and opening the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► stuff that used to be used and only up like they have done some things but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► just it just feels like stagnation and i dont i dont feel good doing it after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► these days I know exactly where I'm going and if I can't get a direct link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3205">TS</a>]
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00:55:02 ◼ ► Apple and they were afforded a little bit more access than most TV crews are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► afforded have you guys seen this no of course not I did but about football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► pushed it off the end of my TV episode was arrested on on CBS is there whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► never good as their terrible website to maybe watch market but I didn't see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► I can do that I can go to their tireless if you stupid football pushes the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► out and your TV doesn't correctly just because stupid football ran long not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► enough time for TiVo to get updated guide information then you can watch as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► much as you can you TiVo and then I just always assume I can go to the website of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► the television show on my stress it and then behold I could as long as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► willing to watch like seventeen of the same commercial before I could move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► little play head up to the point where I left off so anything about football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► can take the speed I'm not gonna take this page is not based on their TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► schedule isn't their TV schedule I feel like a football runs long it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► switch to the football football overflow channel anyway I'm still so the feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► I it is worth watching although I don't think any revelations came from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► accepting apparently read it seemed to think that a MacBook as shown in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► background 44 seconds with some new Mac which it was supposedly it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► like this is the best part of it let's assume that it was so what happens now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► like let's stipulate for the for the purpose of this conversation that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► was a different MacBook in the background now what happens nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► happens it looks like it open to close it has a screen and a keyboard can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► no point less do you know what they're doing like look I like is coming out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► the spring / winter / summer / God knows when it's coming out soon become to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► huge power savings the retina MacBook Pro design is gonna be about four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► old but I'ma comes out there gonna take advantage of this kind of the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► savings and they're going to make the stupid thing thinner and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► be fine I'm gonna complain about the keyboard in the battery life in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► first extract that on buying one and they're going to be the same as we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► now but thinner and cool looking at maybe in space crinkled or not or or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► they can have amazing features that but not be visible on the screen looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► a laptop I just like you know like I will agree right now that that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► brand-new under these products in the background and now what happens that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► just sit here and smile I gotta understand anyway john Kasay interrupted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3454">TS</a>]
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00:57:43 ◼ ► about the piece but I thought we should note that we that while two-thirds of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3463">TS</a>]
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00:57:56 ◼ ► of thickness is sacred to us and this was with regard to the MacBook one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► probably pretty telling about a whole set it to you about these sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► things in general so that's the thing that's the thing that we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► lamenting for a while I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► are quote that stuck out to me was in there talking to johnnie I was getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► into his his Jony ive mode where he is very passionate about things I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► question was something about like did you feel like that Apple could become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► complacent insular something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► his answer was basically like I like all the things they say these are answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► that anyone who follows Apple's heard before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► just repeated contacts and it was the giant have answer from polio which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► averaged I believe that you like BS this is the same question is a million times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► like every you know any famous person has to and his answer to this one is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► not really looking at what we like we're not satisfied with what we do like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► we're not gonna be like oh just set of you know leaned back in just a phone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► in or whatever and we're not comparing ourselves to what else is out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► other people's products we compare ourselves to is always this ideal this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► perfection that we have in our own minds over chasing chasing perfection our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► you know intrinsic motivation the ideal that we have in our mind and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► we're chasing and I believe that because it shows in their products that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► to have that seem to be chasing some ideal that it has had their minds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► don't involve certainly too many looks at what other people are doing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► fine but also maybe not too many looks at how people use these things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► real world you know like his answer makes sense but it hinges entirely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► what is that ideal you're chasing in as articulated through many white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► years the idea that the journey I was always said that he's chasing has good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► and bad aspects of the Dubai is like a look obvious that has to seem like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► not designed it shouldn't you know it shouldn't be designed for designed sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► but we could see in the products that he makes it he you know he favored a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► simplicity and symmetry and purity and beauty and it can be argued that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► things and it can be argued that those things have a psychological effect on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► the user's our products that it benefits that bob line but there are practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► considerations as well and the balance between chasing that ideal that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► again may be beneficial the company but may not be better for the product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► also doing things you kind of have to do whether it's more reliable stream really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► fun cables or you know or more grippy services for things or you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► nothing better than all the stuff I haven't seen a lot of interviews where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► that balance has been brought up a really pursued and I'm not expecting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► can sixty Minutes interview you know basically it's going to be people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► know if you follow up a lot is going to be people you've seen before being asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► questions they've been asked two thousand times you've seen the BSA's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► questions about times and you know if there is going to be because you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► heard them give the same answer thousand times and they they died at each one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► them like labor practices parking money overseas popularity of products secrecy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► the new Apple Campus in this is nothing new there but it is interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► they you know you got to come in the lab to the table draped with stuff you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► to see are milling machine running and whatever you know you can peek at it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► that way and it's interesting to see that people give the same answers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► see if they change but what I always wanted to know what we all want is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► people who are on our listeners program is deeper questions like so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► group interview with shelter pursued this a little bit on the whole figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► but he was talking about then maybe was also talking about battery life or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► with developer license then they would you like to pursue to have follow-ups to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► dig a little bit like to bring up this feels like this is news to John yet he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► knows about the the balance between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► you know practical features I'm sure all the engineering people manufacturers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► telling them practically speaking you do this music now can we figure out a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► to do this like that that's what I was talking about you know fractions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► millimeters there is a tension between what can be done what is able to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► manufactured one of the economical what is beautiful what is our economic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► there something it's both beautiful and ergonomic and obvious and durable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► stays beautiful for a long time like this this is that's what design is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► I would love to hear an in-depth discussion Jony ive just about those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► tradeoffs about how he figures out where that balance is not in vague terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► getting into specifics because i think is the most interesting thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► design and Jony ive had never talks about it maybe is never going to be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► secrecy type thing he doesn't give you a cute window into his mind but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► retired and I can get him on the spot kathy has been the entire show just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► trying to figure out how they did that bounced and what factors do we not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► understand that are involved in this and are there problems that we see that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► doesn't and other problems that he knows are issues that we never see it take for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► granted and that would be a much more interesting interview then loads on 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► minutes but then again it sixty minutes so I think my expectation for that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► even lower than Star Wars or Star Wars that you people have been saying good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► things about it the people involved for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► abrams you know George Lucas wasn't involved it seemed like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► expectations should have been at least middle of the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► well let's just say the last three Star Wars movies estaba not the best I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► but there's the whole different set of maybe don't know but the whole route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► it's it's even bigger than the dq Phil Schiller thing all people out new people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► I'm like the average consumer I wasn't believed in that world of paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► attention all that stuff I didn't expect much from it because the last few hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► movies I've seen have been terrible effects that they didn't they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► just shuffle things around a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► complete change of hands new people in charge entirely everything on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► internet comes back to these days that's what you have to say just go see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► tomorrow how are you the one who has it seems like it's somehow market has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► to the new I don't understand what's going on today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► bizarro world it is bizarre it's a Christmas miracle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► this is our Christmas to tell me that hops on should have brought him he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► god no no we need we need a babysitter 'cause we have like a baby now we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► a cold and boring and no but you have family close by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► make this happen but you're kidding preschool actually the theater when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► went to an Alamo Drafthouse we delete this account like hipster the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► interchange but I inadvertently booked a baby showing they did they do like baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► ok showing they allow people to bring babies and if they cry lol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► not happy about this but it turned out at the matter there is like one big hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► through the crowd like ones but it wouldn't matter but that might exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► near you if you can find that that is the kind of thing you would have around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► now there's no Alabama Drafthouse cinema near here at least an hour away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► welterweight look at look at me look at local theaters to see if they have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► leak BB showings of movies I think some theaters are in to do that now I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► an art show was great what does that include as they only know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► people who are dressed up for people who think seriously about ever dressing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► for people who could safely be friends with someone who dresses up very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► respectful there that's how I thought the only way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► did they market it that way or is it just now but it just happens naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► we congregate I clearly am NOT a card-carrying nerd as I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► when that would be if you saw it on the 17th and especially if you saw it either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► the very first showing more like a ridiculously late showing the known sane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► person would ever go to your house at three and its fine arts is the best so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► guess we're done talking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► 60 minutes thing to be honest I have no I have nothing else to add I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► it was interesting to watch it's probably worth the twenty thirty minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► of your time assuming that you live in the united states I I saw something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► fly-by on Twitter that it's it's locked down to the USB cuz reasons but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► worth your time it don't expect anything monumental I also watched their what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► they called 60 minutes overtime segments which were not that particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► interesting or worthwhile the one thing I will say is that I was happy to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► and clearance come out from the shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► they spoke to her a few times and I was very impressed with her I thought she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► was really really good which is what one would expect given that she was once the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► CEO they did have said there were there were some tidbits in there may be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► I know about this but one of the things they were shown like the model Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► Store like oh this is a test that our ideas for Apple there and there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► wall that had a bunch of foliage on it was very weird and I'm assuming no real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► Apple Store has that info have loved to see that like you know that travels are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► some ideas I would love to see that idea make it out of the model and be going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► the Apple store and the like have one wall of the bunch of green vines hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► down and also the ones were like they had cases and you'd like the case was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► the poll on the thing lots of ideas there so that doesn't exhibit two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► seconds and the other reason to watch it that this will make you angry about 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► minutes but interested in and seeing this as you get to see him go get fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► up about keeping their money overseas and are stupid tax laws and labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► practices and stuff it gets kind of angry sounds like a fun time to ask him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► some questions I always ask him and they don't like he probably game substantive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► he gave like very substantial thorough and answers to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► we've heard him give those answers before I like an apple earnings calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► and and the things he has four cycles and everything but in 60 minutes three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► sentences that they cut out of your big long comprehensive answer and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► three sentences man Tim Cook is the angriest and they don't explain anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► in the move on to the next topic so it was really garbage from a perspective of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► like giving insight to anybody who doesn't know about these issues are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► get the idea that we say this leading question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► angrily denies it I don't know what the truth is not a nation now it's time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► ask about something else but it was interesting to see Tim Cook leaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► forward in his chair and getting probably the most sort of worked up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► you know public scenario that would have loved to have heard but Steve Jobs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► said to the same things that he would have had a smirk more of a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► investing in earnest so either way there was no information like you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► draw any conclusions for now like Tim Cook I'm sure gave a good answer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► sixty minutes just is not going to air it which is a real shame I would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► see you interview on 60 minutes John and it just seemed like how the heck they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► would at the guy feel I feel for those guys because they're getting interviewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► you know half an hour 20 minutes 45 minutes to an hour and they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► take literally five sentences and that's what they're going to buy sentences five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► of the most dramatic sounding sentences with no surrounding context and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► nothing you can do about you can explain yourself before you can explains that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► they're just gonna pull them out and that's what people are going to see in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► just like wow they even agree to it why would they agree to be at least they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► have no control over what the sentences are I don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► this is honestly this is why I haven't rushed to watch it because I figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► like you know TV interviews are so low density he'd like there's so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► content in them there's so much padding and time-wasting in them there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► smart speed it's also loadin sorry there is a my Tivo oh yeah of course there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4159">TS</a>]
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01:09:50 ◼ ► therefore factory direct pricing and a fraction the Big Branch prices harry's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► be there about half the price of what used to pay something like Gillette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► Fusion for instance which I would say in my experience is that the most directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► comparable blade to the Harris played cards outside a very very similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► Gillette Fusion shavers quality better designs for the handles and the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► and the and the cream and everything that they have $15 will get you a razor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► shave cream or gel and three razor blade cartridges when you more blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► $2 each or less to an eight pack is just 15 bucks a 16 pack is just 25 bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► these are not double-edge safety blade these are the full of razor blade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► cartridges there's five blade in the cartridge very similar to the Gillette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► nice easy to use disposable cartridges that are just really good quality for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► the price and a packet please use $15 a 16 pack is $25 now a 16 pack of fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► blades its $56 that's more than double as much as well harry's charges for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► I would say as I said is a very comfortable lead and carries you to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4250">TS</a>]
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01:11:18 ◼ ► carries a calm ATP thanks a lot to Harry sponsor show once again so a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4278">TS</a>]
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01:11:32 ◼ ► out of nowhere and it's a new service product company start-up it's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► thing and it's called up there and it has a lot of X Apple people in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► John I think this was a kind of your baby so what do you want to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► about up there were transferred later used to be in charge of Apple software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► stuff and sergeant like I was 10 and everything back for those IOUs and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► over after he retired from Apple while ago that's when Craig victory took over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► basically and he disappeared to go on vacation and do whatever you wanna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► but pretty quickly after you left Apple there were rumblings like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► what's per trans next thing I guess you never really leave I guess we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► leaving become like I don't know a venture capitalist or support other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► technology things anyway they called the rumor was that he was involved in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► kind of start up and they were doing something having to do with computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► and that's all anybody knew about it I didn't pay too much attention for health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► services some point did service couple months back with this company called up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► there and when I went to their website at first it was like pretty impenetrable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► cuz they say you know if you have a cloud but translation on your web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► browser like a lot of what's going on here was doing some cloud and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► computers and it's like how what is different about this company seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► they were saying they were going to store a bunch of stuff on their servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► so you wouldn't have to start on yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► honestly I have looked at this it's been the show notes for like two months I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► looked at this every so often before the show and I cannot figure out what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► and why why do care about it and like the court upheld from the CEO was not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► translated by the way is just one of the founders but to see roger tamraz's we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► like the way to backup to vanish from dictionary we built a consumer cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► from the ground up oh here we go we questioned everything literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► experiment a lot of the cloud to be the primary place for your data this summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► that the whole idea is like it's kind of like a Chromebook you know back up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► Chromebook basis nothing on it that isn't already owns your Google service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► right up there the whole idea is don't worry about what's on your phone or on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► your Mac or wherever you want to be that's that's just like a local cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► that's not where the toughest check your phone into the ocean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► who cares there was nothing on it anyway you're fine all your stuff is up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► in the cloud and the like from the second quarters we experimented a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► they've been in stealth mode as they say for a long time so who knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► they've been doing behind the scenes but they do have a beta program and I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► its public pay-per-view sign up for it I don't you know and they have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► applications Mac application and as an iOS application of the ones I use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► and it's like there were loud bang sign up they already have two factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► authentication error that was really nice out of the gate because if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► gonna be a cloud thing I can add that I can your fifth year something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► important to have it now and then I want you to put stuff into the crowd and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► have like an easy button press it's like hey do you want to put your photos liver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► into the crowd and it's my photos library now like the family once a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► or is likely only has like 10,000 Photo Center something like sure to go take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► those you know like I mean a lot of this going on just trusting Bergeron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► certainly not lady company or whatever and drag files into it whatever just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4495">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► whatever funds I told to pull my photos library just let it do its thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► eventually uploaded my photos library and on the iOS application I can go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► I can browse through all my photos in iPhoto library in like ten thousand or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► so there was some weirdness in that phone totally sink like uploaded them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► from my Mac and then to get the phone totally saying there was the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► do it was to have the phone in the application launches like an option that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► says don't don't let your phone go to sleep when applications in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► foreground because he gets up loads better faster when the application is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► running in the foreground I know that was an option but apparently it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► anyway they got everything uploaded there they have a camera application as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► well which is kind of getting more into have a source to work it's a camera for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► your phone and you launch this application instead of luck in nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► Apple's camera application you take pictures but instead of the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► going on to your phone the pictures go directly into the cloud and if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► there is you'll never feel your phone with pictures you know that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► real thing that a lot of people have smartphones do is they take pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► take pictures take pictures and they thought their phone and I was storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► management is such that there is not a real easy way out of that without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► need to have an iPod photo library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► that turned on do you have a Mac and you know that their thing is never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► throw your phone because we don't put the pictures on your phone you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► pictures and we need to upload them now obviously everything that up there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► predicated on you having a network connection like a network connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► being somewhat reliable and somewhat you know having a reasonable amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► bandwidth so its authority looking play where the future is not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► doing stuff local anything how to sync it the future is going to be pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► everything up that that's a pretty safe bet what it all comes down to that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► us that that's why everyone hears about this entry through website and thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► that it's like whatever you're like uploading stuff to a server somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► who cares what it all comes down to his execution how well does uploads doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► think ever get stuck does can access go through all 10,000 I pictures how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► does it take for the thumbnail slowed and I don't know what exactly they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► doing tech wise because the website is not eliminating I would imagine since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► they've been still thought a really long time but they're trying to do is come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► with a better interface then like the application uses posits a pas de deux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► synchronous io to your local disk and then some demon process wonders the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► system and like Dropbox or whatever and finds things and opens an HDB connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► and shoves the files wanted time to our servers like that's the old way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► things I don't know if they're doing exactly that or if they are you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► imagining sorry is it more interesting abstractions where instead of going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► through a POSIX file i/o API they have their own file i/o API that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► intelligent things like better support for streaming and batching of multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► things and like you know handling failures better and being a synchronous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► and asynchronous my default being multithreaded and being able to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► multiple connections and handling like that's what I'm imagining is behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► scenes but the bottom line is it uploaded all my pictures and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► scroll through them I can scroll through all of them and the thumbnails load and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► you know pretty fast and when you go to the IRS usage screen to see how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► disk space the up their obligations taking up it's like nothing like 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► Megabus so I think it really is streaming all the stuff in real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► and like the picture on their website is storing our entire digital lives photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► videos music and documents in a single place that it's always accessible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► growing evolving ready to share their sharing stuff is in better than Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► already there that you can make like something called loop we can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► multiple people putting their foes into a single bucket right and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► family photo library where the whole family could have camera applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► every picture they take to go into one giant shared thing people can contribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► is like it just seems like a forward-looking way to do everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► is a Malaysian good just because they have 5 beta testers and all five of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► our connection to their supermassive be terrible and as a million people could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► the scale to be the size of I kappa music or like a photo I have no idea all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► I know is that whatever the heck they're doing it's working and Apple should buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► them because it's better than everything Apple is doing even though they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► going to upload pictures yes can I see them all guests can scroll through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► store any files on my iPhone not as far as I can tell so it does what it says on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► the tin and it's pretty impressive I have been on the beta for like a week or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► two now because I didn't get a clear read on what the intention is for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► app in fact you describing it as give me a much better understanding than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► the very little bit of documentation I read I didn't know to make it seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► the Mac App it has some tabs on the left has flow which I guess is just kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► good news feed sort of thing it has photos and videos music and documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► and it's not i mean i understand what those words mean I understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► presumably I'm supposed to start chucking things in these buckets but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► was entirely clear to me what the long-term plays here and I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► that a lot better it seems to work well like you said I mean I'm not I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► really tried much with it but there's plenty of stuff there and it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► is streaming things from the cloud like you said very quickly so initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► impressions by me were confusion but happy confusion of that if such a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► now that I've heard you talk about it I'm very interested to play with the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► appetite never bothered to download maybe that's half my problem very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► interested to play with that and see how it goes but it wouldn't surprise me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► this was in some ways just an acquisition play to see if Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► feeling desperate to get away from web checks and and and hire a team that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► that can solve this problem once and for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► presumably like that it's a tech glad that it's not just that they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► like I said they did you exact same thing everyone else is doing just using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► HTTP connections with Tara libraries and doing local file i/o and just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► doing that slightly better than you know one percent better than everyone else it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► seems like the only reason this could ever be a startup is someone has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► good ideas about how to abstract the file system on the network in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► accounts for the modern world news not like backward-looking like it to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► degree like even drop boxes that it's just a bunch of local files on desk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► it is another process that watches and moves them up and down and I and i wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► talk about something else like surely it is not loading we just on the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► chucking them up or streaming them down or like it's not making a new connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► everyone definitely right house dealing with like the size of the thumbnails and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► house keeping up with my scrolling and knowing which things it wants to to load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► and stuff like that and then right now the beta whatever like I'm not putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► anything that nothing is only in my entire photo library they really smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► save this one but impressive on to things like the only upload your photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► library right i mean you don't use photos so you didn't see that but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► wouldn't be useful to you but for me unlike fine go ahead because it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► just reading from the photos library keep in sync with it and everything too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► and same thing when I wanna take photos with the regular Apple camera app it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► like a million other apps like member they did drop box camera operator will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► try to see when you take pictures with your photo app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► of those using it now as a toy to play with every once in awhile to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► the performance like trying to figure out what the what the heck they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► actually doing behind the scenes and yet another free backup for all my photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► near the small of my life not the big lie thought about signing up my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► bought and and trying to put the big library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► up to the thing to see if it would choke on that because 10,000 is that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► a challenge but about sixty or seventy thousand now can you but maybe I'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► this is torture test but I would never burn it only anything only end up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► and you know business model and it's all free basis of knows what they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► charge the stuff so it's still a big question mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► pricing is a pretty big question mark going like that that matters a lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► how how many people will even bother trying to adopt in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► because vote libraries can be quite big and if you're talking about like storing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► all my stuff up there all my documents or even many of my documents plus all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► photos plus you know I can immediately that gets very big very quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► especially if you've any video shooting but their explanation and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► behind making things like the obvious that they would take that into account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► the whole idea is that the old way of doing the other way that everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► is doing them with sort of using eighties and nineties text to solve my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► problem is really in the future for the future over everybody as ubiquitous fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► connections but as you know getting closer every day that they are coming at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► it from that perspective they you know they must have smart solutions for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► just the API and how to write applications into this bag and but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► the backend work how it hosted how it scaled how you know what the economics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► are how much does it cost for us to host X amount of data can we undercut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► everyone else prices by using better technology because we can more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► efficiently store they got him again they don't tell you it's their secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► you know whatever I have no idea what it means but all I can look at is the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► and the front end seems to work more smoothly than every other friend and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► try to be there be Dropbox or Microsoft's one drive thing or Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► Drive or like we've all tried all these different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► casa so many different services that it that are like this and you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► good ones I use Dropbox all-time like they're not they're not bad but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► impressed me with just how sort of no nonsense and smooth it is and how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► don't even know how they're doing it how like how is that I'm able to scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► through ten thousand photos and the thumbnails like they're not they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► instantly there's little white squares initially but they pretty fast ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► screens on this I don't have no idea how it's doing that but it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► assuming that this actually becomes a thing and and launches to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► some kind of business model is one thing would you obviously they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► be your cloud backup service they want to be your primary storage and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► your only stories therefore cos is there even easy way to like maintain a local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► copy of everything or do they really not want to do that that's what I'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► at I don't know like maybe that's the long-term plan obviously the right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► they are perfectly willing to be on everest they will pull in content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► sit like you don't have to manually so I took some new photos with my phone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► they were every time you launch the app it will sync up any new photos you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► taken any time at anything to my photos I'm not using up there at this point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► up there is every time I launch it is playing all that stuff in so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► great sort of on-ramp like that they they want to make it easier for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► to lunch at that and say we know you have elsewhere and probably you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► keep yourself elsewhere and probably going to deal with elsewhere but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► here too and they would have to sort of get you into the flow by saying we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► cheaper than your other hosting a more reliable than photos eventually become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► trustworthy I mean realistically speaking depardieu by somebody for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► of this happens but look impressive but you know I don't see any reason why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► would you getting out of things like would you would you ever like put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► stuff in there would you trust it as primary stories because they're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► to get rid of backups I don't know that I could do that well I mean like its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► aspiration obviously get rid of backups because if immediate your datacenter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► stuff right so where is gonna have a nice have you know my my backups and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► Time Machine and I clone and and the question of can you have locally copies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► were yep I just keep using photos and I have one of them access to always have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► low copy the photos and have 17 backups of that including online like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► way I will continue to go but I could see for example not enabling the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► thing that lets you know that whatever the iCloud photo library lets you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► your entire library on your phone because it's too onerous or maybe an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► enabling but never going to like for example when someone says I like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► be accessed 04 Leverkusen as someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► ask questions like What did you know you could look like when he was three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► old right I like being able to launch a thing on the phone and go to the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► and say you know I have access to everything I think this year but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► lowered to do that with iCloud photo library than it is to do that with up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► there just because it is I can go to the year faster and faster and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► that's that's a win for me of that that takes over that role where I no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► go to photos to look at my photos I just go up there because the same things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► both places and has nothing to do with that said whatever it's a long road from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► there to the aspirational goal of like a week it by yourself and that's right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► I i truly believe in that state not the end of backups but maybe in the backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► for regular people like where you could get it to the point where it's reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► on redundant enough that you won't be a big thing about now you're obsessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► people like have you ever backed up your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► have you enabled like that for a library if I run over your phone with the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► did you just lose the pictures of your infant child has now five years all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► because you never impede your phone before the whole problem filling your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► phone with photos like all those concerns I would like to be addressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► then go adding Android is better to dressing down Apple's catching up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► the photo library and up there is trying to say we're out we're way out here at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► the extreme where you guys want to be and I'm selling it as a competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► between implementations really at this point and their implication looks pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► they slept for three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► Leinart fracture and Harry's and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin to see it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5328">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► I do about plugging it is quite good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► magical you spent well maybe you didn't spend any money this week Marco but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/5392">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► kid yourself to spending some money sometime soon you wanna tell us about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► that I spent son is a deposit yes so in order to test left and you lost the bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► I know I I knew already that I lost the bet nobody else did the bet was in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► in the winnings were just bragging rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► the bet was that Marco would absolutely get the performance version of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► testified that he ended up buying and that's because Marco doesn't typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► know how to do halfway on anything as it turns out I lost the bet and you did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► p90 no deal whatever it is I forget the different permutations what did you end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► up getting I want to run run through the set up with us I got the 9th ed so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► approximately m5 speed and maximum range available in a test today it's white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► because it's the only color cars can be in getting its read my first non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3655">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► dark-colored car in a long day ever really my first non black car in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► decade at least so red Tesla 9th ed is coming in late March when my lease is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► but I ordered it now to get take advantage of some discount they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► running before the year was nineteen silver cyclone wheels I know in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► pictures so I can read you can argue that the dark colored wheels would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► probably look better and in pictures they do first of all I think up-close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► look a little bit flat like it they almost look like painted plastic I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► they're not just like the finish on them is kinda like flat a little bit dull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► they also because it is just like you know i didnt color coding on top of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► regular one of these made it a steel aluminum metal depends anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► whatever metal it is probably aluminum the dark colored wheels any kind of curb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► rash anywhere any scratches whatsoever on them that bright color metal below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► just shines right through and you can see everything and and sure enough I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► whatever i'd i'd be a Tesla dealer looking at these things they would often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► in the lot like you know just getting service to people visiting to cooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► utensils or whatever and every car I saw in person that was a customer-owned car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► that had dark wheels on it had very visible scratches on those people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► just drive just can't drive went past a black model S today with the big dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► colored wheels at the supermarket their red brake calipers too I think there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► no scratches on the yeah if it has the red calipers that is AP model it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► tempting to spend twenty grand extra just for red calipers but I did not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► a lot more than red calipers but point noted will but obviously so you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► red calipers and you get the faster rear-ended another has the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► the two engines the rear engine is faster but those are actually the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► two differences plus you get less range but like the suspension is all the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► everything else about the cars the same I've confirmed with multiple people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► my drive and it totally is certainly seems that way the the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► different is the engine the red calipers and you the option for a spoiler on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► back of a hate you got red you got the 19 inch super cyclone wheels what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► options he said ninety days ninety black interior sunroof auto pilot range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► upgrade premium interior the big national seats I did not get the smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► air suspension this I was going to and i did some reading and did some research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► and it sounds like the air suspension really does make the car feel more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► a cushy or softer ride and I did not think that that was even when I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► let alone worth $2,500 extra on the purchase price even the leasing still it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► would be out paper behalf of that so i didnt get smart air suspension I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► more firm sporty ride and I did not get the ultra high fidelity sound because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► I did a back-to-back tests of those in the showroom an Patel's very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► difference in the two sound system than either of them sounded great to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► they presented honestly pretty mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► I figured I might as well not spend extra money on mediocrity I did get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► sub-zero weather package because they live in a place with bill seasons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► did not get the rear facing seats because for the next three years of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► lease will cover my wife I decided that we would probably not be comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► with our kid in those seized during this age period by enough to make it worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► getting them for an extra $3,000 where'd you get as the interior trim like accent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► get but carbon fiber looking you know that was actually a tough call the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► carbon fiber looks decent but kinda like hurt my eyes and anticipate you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► matters a lot because she has the passenger usually when I'm driving she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► sees the trim way more than I do cuz it's as big strip right front passenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► side and in the driver side you don't really see much of it so she didn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► for the carbon fiber so you know that was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► the two would like a basically a glossy and matte what I didn't look at the map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► so I was basically I between glossy wood and the piano black the piano black my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► current car has that I know I like it is very nice that being said it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► fingerprints and scratches like crazy but I decided ultimately I would rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► have your printed piano black trim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► like it better I'd rather have that than perfect glossy wood trim and stoked I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► yeah I'm actually looking forward to 20 something new I mentioned before I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► having him five it's been great I do however miss although Dr yes I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► they're adding it to the next model but it isn't there now I also mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► earlier that I really want a quieter car BMW does not currently sell a quieter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► car that has all wheel drive that has a transmission that I would tolerate said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► maybe the is is 335 extra is still available and stick you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► know it's a 340 now anyway but I honestly don't know I would think not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► think I think it might be that would probably only option 25 sears is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► out of 5 Series you can't get that you can't you can get a stick with I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► drive if at all anymore and you can't deceive any the five series and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► not drive the Sprott oh yes I've driven it and no it is not the same as if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► test is it in some ways it's not as good as as the m5 and I'm not expecting it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► jurors the interior is more luxurious feeling no question and very much going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► to miss the heads up display and the top-down parking camera that since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► last real-time follow-up you can get a 340 i xDrive with a manual transmission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► ok so that is the only other car BMW makes that would consider getting right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► now to the new lineup but that also I I really don't like the F 33 series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► honestly I don't like it I don't like the steering system I don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► for the way it looks and and I think the interior has actually gotten lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► quality in certain ways in the previous three series and the lack of the All [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► button on the climate control just kills me that is really insane I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► why you're not shopping Mercedes at this point you never talk never talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► Mercedes but he's now safely within the most diverse cities you know market I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► did I i recent trip I actually I rented a Mercedes guy I was on a trip about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► year ago I had to rent a car and I rented a e-class their version 5 Series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► yeah yes I rented and eat something something it was like the v-6 roughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► 300 horsepower like they basically their version of 335 early 535 I wouldn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► that but yeah anyway so I rented that a driver for a few days and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► really nice driving car but definitely not for me overall I think they I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► first of all I don't care pharmacies designs very much at their little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► dated for me well when you say that you mean exterior design yes host I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► they've gotten pretty lili although that being said the brand brand brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► ones are very bubbly and I'm not as into that but up until about this year the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► there was like a five-year stretch where they went from really really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► boring to actually very pretty but for me it's a non-starter because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► believe in three pedals I know but like but he doesn't have three pedals anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► anyway he has a has introduced as I understand like I feel like a Mercedes S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► Class like when you come back from your hangover by then the S Class might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► like it might be I don't know but I also I I really don't care for the mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► media system change every year but he's not received at five years or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4133">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► but yeah I know they're all they're all terrible and yeah I mean I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► to be tested forever I'm saying we are going to be tested for the next three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► that's the police cars but so I i am looking forward to trying something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► to try and electric to it being a truly different and I'm seeing as I said when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► I drove them to at least feeling modern really filled with today and you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► 30 in three years and I have to choose my next vehicle whether I get another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► test or something else by that time there will probably be more options or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► options from the other luxury brands right now there really isn't much there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► will definitely be there forever they've all got a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► fighters in in the works like that that Porsche concept looks really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► honestly I don't know if that will get that would pan out into something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► god knows how much it will cost to it does but it does look really nice on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► paper at least we'll see what happens with Mercedes and BMW and Audi and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► know and you know even accurate any anybody else we'll see what happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► their electric department right now as I have to make a decision right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► Tesla is by far my favorite option of what I was available right now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► excited for you should be really awesome to be sad to not have you personally in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► the BMW family anymore but at least your family will still be a BMW family don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► worry I'm sure at some point we'll be back there is a lot about the way BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► does things that I do prefer you know I do prefer not having a giant touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► screen I think you know it will see again we'll see what happens when I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► it but I do think I'm gonna prefer still haven't hardware knobs two giant screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► if given the choice I do certainly like a heads up display and I do like the BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► quality interior and that's in the 5 series so maybe eventually there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► and all-electric 5 series that will be really compelling that will be nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► me that because that will eliminate the problem I have with the regular 5 series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► of having a transmission I hate if they can move to not having a transmission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► that does solve the probable we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► did you ask people if the model is designed for short trips can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► examined her will is designed for that chicken salad John thing on my stomach I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► prefer XO Why What yeah this is worse than the windows thing I'm not against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► my go-to I would get cinnamon raisin bagel with egg salad on it wrapped up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► wax paper and then cut in half through the wax paper as you know as a proper ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► there are so many things wrong with this kid Kerr first of all is similar raisin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► bagel does not belong with any of the salads that is that is it illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► combination you're wrong you are so about that you don't know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► missing john you're out of your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► second of all eggs salad only belongs on bread not bagels because it is such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► soft feeling that you bite into a bagel it squeezes out I understand I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► understand the difficulties to hold the magic is getting that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► it seems like it shouldn't work it seems like it should be a disaster that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► would bite down at all we do is cause the bagel to choose digs out shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► out the side with an empty bag with but know it can be done we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► you know your local deli that but you know I enrolled in during cutting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► basically right but they rapid really tightly and holding during cutting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► you can move them back and eat it and it won't come shooting out the side and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► the bagel is fresh and it's not like a stale big hard brick Cape thing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► actually buy it and not lose all of your Excel is a delicate balance I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► this is I haven't had a good one of those I don't know how many decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► because ever be this terrible concept as a great content and is an advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► technique for you with if you want to make a bagel sandwich at home for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► example say you want a peanut butter and jelly on toast a bagel bitchez fabulous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► to the bagel shop and that it was always a disaster whenever somebody order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► because that squeezes out like crazy I know I know let me give you a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► billion toasted bagel home how can you possibly make that work it seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► should work on all right you don't know now you do we have we have ways so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► toast the bagel and then one half of it you sort of dig a trench for the judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► to go and you don't play at all the insides leaving a trench then you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► the Chilean the trench the peanut butter that legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► the peanut butter will stay on its own for the most part then you assemble it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► you can eat that sandwich nothing else we're out the side if assembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► correctly nothing about the size and what you have is a toasted bagel sammich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► the things I do with bagels understands these advanced techniques Vance that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► not sure that Holmes first of all accounts it counts as well as a key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► hollow out some part of you eat the part you take out throwing it away the trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► is not takes so much out of it you just basically left with just a crust right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► you have to take just the right amount will tuna has enough stretch into his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► very similar chicken salad and texturally it has enough strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► internally to tolerate you can get more you can get more in there anyway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► don't always have to do with Tony right it can hold together I like to sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► and I like bagels and I like bagels with tuna or chicken on them at no point have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► I ever had a bagel with tuna salad or chicken soured and thought I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► find ways to show up more of it and here I thought that because you can fit a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► in the regular way it really depends on how stiff your mixture as you know John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► and it is there all good things that are going hungry even thinking about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► you're so wrong with these are all delicious things these are all delicious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► things that you can make in your own home you did these are terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► things to know everything you just said has been wrong the first time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4494">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► any input about what's proper aideed bagels from some of his regime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► second of all I'm also not going to take that interview somebody who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► recently moved to New York which one of us is a New York right now oh recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► eight years ago her up there now what I got a big salad I i just am so i cant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► get past against egg salad is it and some anti-aids exam is delicious I i in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► general I I think I am against it and I i mean alot of fakes out of my life now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► the truth comes out against the egg salad bar garment against the bed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► america is that exactly what happened to me a salad is not worth it when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► other options that are similar to its only if all you have in a store is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► salad finally takes out but if right next to it is tuna salad and chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► salad those are both way better so I can be in any context in which I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► choose egg salad with chicken or tuna salad or cream cheese or any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► league sandwich topping were available I I like all of those things those are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► good I feel like you have to mix it up you don't have the same thing every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► you know maybe maybe your place that makes better chance than a cake so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► cannot turn your nose up that I have never had egg salad that was good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► to overcome decent chickens out like I've had i think is fine but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► most I've ever thought about six hours it's fine in other forms like I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► deviled eggs which are very similar really in a deviled eggs have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► similarities in taste and ingredients to exile just in different shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► preparation but you know I love Asian other forms just egg salad is it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► so mediocre compared to the other options that it's usually next to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► exiled is the sesame bagel of the salad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► Abbott sesame bagels but you have to send email there one of the greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► what I have against them is similar to have against a stout it's not worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► when you have better options nearby so it's like a sesame bagel is fine I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► they're fine chocolate cake for every meal every me john john you've been out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► of new york particular lost touch it it's no I am the only one here who is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► touch you got use in Virginia and we've got him is coming around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► outside of bagels who was only recently which one of us goes to build up every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► day in New York oh that's right I i'm saying I guess you're coming from Ohio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► or average is trying to figure out this crazy new world and making it up as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► go along the way it is why would you go get a sesame bagel with egg salad again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► sesame bagels and against the exam is not a position you want to stake out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► an everything bagel with chickens out which is right next to those two you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► can't have everything on it you're always going to have never done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► everything big wasn't great but the whole idea that every single time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► have it you have the most you know the best topping the big with the most stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► on it sometimes you gotta have you know there's a certain place for the poppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► seed bagel sometimes you can have the plane bigger why would anyone there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► a plain bagel people do it happens sometimes that's the right combination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► by not getting the really expensive tests you still getting the everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► bagel with chicken salad because you can't bring yourself to have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► that you consider lesser but they're not lesser they're just different I mean I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► have different big orders like I love a toasted bagel with butter and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► gonna love butter everything is a good choice but so is rye or pumpernickel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► everything to make anything anyway because those things are actually good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► bagels are like they're like I would say a properly a proper toasted rye bagel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► with butter is just as good as it has everything bagel with butter but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► sesame bagel is like the plane go to the dakotas his again either plaintively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► and the topping is included in everything and itself has almost no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► got everything it's already trying to find some common ground here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► caraway seeds and everything bagels yes I now know what I could just making sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► that some people some people want that know everything bagels require five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► things sesame poppy garlic onion salt it is missing any of those things don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► leave out the salt midwestern people it is missing any of those things it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► a proper everything bagel some people like the caraway seeds I gotta say no to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► that also some people put some flowers he done which is illegal now forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► about the snow on there I can't handle it comes to John you're so out of touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► it it's the only one who's in touch on the only one with authentic bagel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► experience in Connecticut have gotten nothing and Marco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► tourists will see big leading world email John this weekend tell you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► leading world it's not it's not a democracy is the people who live in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► New York metro area and everybody else and everyone else is wrong and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► right we don't live in the New York metro area I did I lived there I am I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► from there I will it will never leave me he can take whatever out of new york you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► know that you left it and I'm here today I can I can I can it's a Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► John so much right now this is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► this really is worse than the like 90 windows thing I now i cant believe me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► bagels seriously protesters outside your house a sesame bagel with egg salad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► terrible it's so boring I don't have a sesame CII absurd it's like pairing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► know pairing wine with meals no its not that that's that's kill yo yesterday yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► that's where you're wrong you don't even understand you don't even know this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► skill that you can have let alone have the skills they pairing lightly flavored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► water sharing the bagel with the thing you put on it is a skill I agree I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► don't think you have everything goes on an everything bagel right here I will I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► will fix this Marco do you or do you not put locks on a bagel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► I don't I don't like fish box but I recognize that you've ruined my many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► people love putting lox and bagels and were I to choose a bagel for locks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► everything will be pretty high on the list cuz I know people like that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► like salt garlic onion flavor with the loss I know it's a very common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► combination John do would you do lox and bagel you know that finally we agree you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► too so ignorant but I just don't like fish when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► I have tried like I know what I'm missing and i'd like every time I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► like fish for four years like if you have to have a good for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► good fish seems like I don't like sushi either there's some overlap there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► ever so you haven't had good sushi and eventually somebody brings me to a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► where they say ok this is good next thing I don't like I try it and I get I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► give it an honest shot and I hardly ever end up liking it but at least I but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► can at least in an okay i atleast know what I'm missing now I N I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► confirmed that I honestly don't like this but I've had the good thing maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► can see why you like it you know but I can't see why anybody ever order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► acceptable for anything that's why I tried to call you when I'm there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► seems like if you were going to be a big ol you might as well just get plane or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► if you if you want if you want flavor and stuff you get everything can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► agree on sesame only you are agreeing on sesame and the rest of the New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► metro area is not a state to meet the sesame bagel is it's like that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► like that's what the duck computer that's my favorite kind of bagel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► like them all but he would you put on it in your expert bagel pairing experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► things the things that pair well with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ81UOo/4997">TS</a>]