00:00:00 ◼ ► I was looking at something and then jumped away that the kind of experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► you wanna provide me pull off so there is actually a term just like there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► everything a business like parking lot and all staff all gortari how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/9">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► talked about for the concept I think I just grabbed an earlier show people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/14">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► middle management are motivated to make things that are bad not sound quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/19">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► bad when I talk to their boss because if you're telling your bad boss bad news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/24">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► about tobacco why is this bad news happening in the reason we pay you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/28">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► make bad things that happen and so as it goes up the management James say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/32">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► start with the truth down the leaf nodes but I'ma get to the CEO is a disastrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► from doesn't sound so bad and a terrible that is green shifting which is a plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/41">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► red shifting just like any other galaxies are racing away from us and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► the wavelength of light coming from stretch towards the red side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► visible light spectrum saw the galaxies stars tougher red shifted green shifting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► is getting nicer as they go up there are charged so that's a great time had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/56">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► heard it before but it's a real thing I've not heard that either I never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/60">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► it you can use it you can use green shifting on a year or China home isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/66">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► quite deep enough maybe like cops that something terrible outside a Carlton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/70">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► something gross when you report it to Adam you can say all hops just got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/74">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► cops encapsulated in green shifted that obviously pretty much happens like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/86">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► really is is very plausible of a situation to happen and how to get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/92">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► household Raffaele rate in this is an interesting take on something we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/98">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► about last episode about you know walking out and about software quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► and having like Snow Leopard releases are you just work on bugs and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► the the concept of year the releases came up and what I was arguing with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► it's really arbitrary if you're a discipline software organization and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► that by becoming his last year's all you're doing is changing the discipline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/119">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► from working on something until it's done by justice sticking to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/123">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► schedule and saying what it in and what about that schedule and anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► gets pushed to the next release and so on and so forth that's night and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/132">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► Raffaele gave the example that should have thought of that is true for a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/135">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► of the software used today instead of doing fewer avisas how about doing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/141">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► releases as in continuous reviews kind of like Chrome browser they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► evergreen that are sort of like mandatory auto updating and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► really care about the version is like none of us know off hand or chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► Bergeron run whatever the latest this anti-crime updates all the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► updates whenever they feel like it if instead of having yearly releases and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/160">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► saying well that's that's that's that's too much of a rush make them two-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► get rid of the whole concept of like this big important released its where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/169">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► the inter press release and bullet points and instead just do small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► incremental train its all time I think jeff Atwood had a park about this couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/176">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► years ago the Internet version but basically the same thing that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► people are familiar with the web browsers where version stopped mattering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► is just the software exists and it continued to continuously update itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/187">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► and hopefully gets better and that's a different a different mindset where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► you're making lots of small changes which are easier to make and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/197">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► consequences of screening upper smaller because then you're sure you then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► know what it is screwed it up like if you made one small change and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► sudden you know there was some huge performance regression and some damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► operation I crash happened with chrome 43 recently you know what changed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/211">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► that and you you can really impact because it's just one small change from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/216">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► the previous version and B if you have a chance of fixing it was you know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/220">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► what small thing it was so if you make a series of small changes over time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► potentially better for your customers and also better for you in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► knowing what you've done to screw things up so I kind of like this idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► looking at the software that we use more and more of it so I swear you said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/238">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► updates manually then became auto updating we're not quite to the infant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► version for all software available but moving away from ikea.com marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► releases were the only reason you have a big thing is it's kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/252">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► tradition or a holdover from when you bought things in cardboard boxes and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► course there had to be a big deal because you have to put a new set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► cardboard boxes and new art and cover like doing nearly didn't really says is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► really just kind of a holdover from that and it seems like the trend is away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► that and more towards continuous releases and I think that I'm intrigued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► by his idea like to subscribe to the newsletter the the upside I said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► that it only doing these days regular basis for marketing purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► purposes but marketing is not nothing right if our goal was to move to a sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► of a news release cycle for major products that means it gives up the perk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/288">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► of being able to make grand announcements at WWDC some kind of press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/293">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► conference for the invite the press out to show them something you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► that anymore you don't get the big bump in the press you don't get the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► today announced blah blah blah blah blah maybe they get that less for software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► and hardware but that is there is a downside to this and part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► Apple keeps doing these markings releases is because it's it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► to them to get the extra hype and publicity and get people excited and hat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► and seemed to make significant progress I got a lot of what we thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► Apple's like one day they appear and they say hey we've got this great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► and look at this new thing the new thing if we got that same thing in seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/329">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► you know instead of one big bang it's less impressive even though we end up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► the same spot so I think there has to be a factor I i still think it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► but that's that's the calculus that have to do internally if they want to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► this type of system for software release alright and Eric Michaels overhead some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/348">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► interesting thoughts on iphone battery thinness yes last week we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► about the battery case and I of course complain that I always do that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► iPhone battery life is not good enough and one of the theories presented was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► that maybe the battery case was kind of like apple filling out the market for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► little more info on whether people really do want more battery life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► their iPhones in order to inform future decisions about the iPhone designs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► her friend Eric Michael Bowden to point out that you know but this time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► iPhone seven is almost certainly already completely done and designed the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/381">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► iPhone battery cases a signal that the battery life for the iPhone seven will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► probably the same or worse than the iPhone 6 and success you have to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/390">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► until the inevitably figure i Phone 7 released next year to introduce a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► battery case the press would have jumped on them saying improved battery life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► the iPhone seven to be adequate now if Apple releases new battery case for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► iPhone seven Apple battery cases will be old news because they of course just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► released this one for the iPhone 6 in other words this is the first Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/407">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► so that that all that from your friend I think that is pretty much on point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/413">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► think he's almost certainly right that the seven is almost certainly done or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► close enough to done that they wouldn't be making major changes to things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► how large the battery is because that's a pretty major physical change to it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/424">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► a design I'm guessing this is maybe not quite planned out quite that well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/428">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► more like the battery case was dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► seems like a band-aid solution it seems like something that Apple did not expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/437">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► maybe even one year ago to be making and releasing now but that they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/441">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► identified a problem / opportunity and made it to address that but I think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/447">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► right that there probably are not going to be meaningfully addressing battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/453">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► life in the iPhone seven and if they were released this because they often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/456">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► seven gonna be out in you know what seven or eight months nine months so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► that you know apples apples very patient and so they were really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► address this problem in the iPhone seven and give us a big chunk of battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► improvement they probably wouldn't release the battery case today or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► least it would make it a lot less likely they would so i i think is right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► think we're going to have to live with it you know that people who want more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/479">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► battery power either gonna go go to the plus or just use external battery cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/483">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► are battery packs like this theory only works if you assume Apple is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► company in the world that makes iPhone accessories battery cases have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/491">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► thing for ever like there is no idea that there is no additional wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► Apple making a battery cases like big cell battery cases in their stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/498">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► people use them all the time it's a thing like Apple's just making one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► them because if I got around to making one of them of course there is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► be like of course it's going to be like that's that's the way it goes right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► predicting the battery life will be similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► well it's been similar for many years now that's not a big surprise either I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► just don't make the leap always there for releasing this really is a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/521">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► avoid appearing to say that the iPhone 72 good battery life is gonna have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► same as you know and the success within a small margin of error in its gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/529">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► thinner of the phones I think it's a status quo and a lot of people reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/534">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► also like say no Apple makes a better case that let them know more information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► about who buys battery cases but they sell them in their stores they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► happened informations they could be charging the battery cases they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► themselves from third parties just as well as they can be charging their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► so I think Apple has a pretty good feel of who wants a battery case and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► sizes are the most popular and it just made one for the same reason it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► leather case in the silicon case and cases for iPads and other accessories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/565">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► they make because of the things that people want to buy an Apple make one for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► you and you can buy from them and their margins are probably better than anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► else because they get good pricing on parts and they charge like 10 or 20 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/576">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► bucks and everyone else for their logo it is also worth considering you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► the the rumors are getting pretty strong as a lot of smoke and even some evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/585">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► now that there will be a new foreign China phone design soon we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► how soon maybe it's in the spring maybe in the fall who knows doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► that much to be honest but there there is certainly a lot of smoke by these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/598">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► rumors so there is very likely to be fired this is very likely to be a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► thing that is happening and it's essential to make a new foreign if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/607">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► rumors are true the foreign film will have the approximate internals of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► iPhone's success now if you look at any kind of bad battery life graphs for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/615">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► there was actually a noticeable jump from the five master the six and we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/622">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► we saw this for years beforehand with Android phones that are bigger than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► the iPhones when you make a big phone you have room for more battery the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/631">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► reason why the six plus gets more battery life is because it has a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► that something like fifty percent larger than the six because there's room for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► obscenely thick or two or two weirdly heavy for its for its proportional size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/645">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► and it out runs the screen like the screen up bigger to take more power but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/649">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► the more battery out runs the more screens so the bigger you make it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► the more the battery wins exactly so it does look very likely they will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► foreign phone but if we follow that that advantage now then backwards back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► making foreign phones again a four-inch phone with Apple's current priorities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/667">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► for thinness and and the expectation like the 5 S's way thicker than the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► and the 62 has more battery life and because of that the ratio of the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/677">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► now they're not going to make a new foreign phone that's a stick of the 5s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/681">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► again it would of course be thinner it would probably be more like the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/685">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► Touch oriole not not at the end but radios but it will probably be more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► the success thickness but just in a smaller body that small foreign assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/694">TS</a>]
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00:12:04 ◼ ► been reading about as probably not the iPhone seven but the thing to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► about the future is moving too old for the screens which is another power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/727">TS</a>]
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00:12:14 ◼ ► phones but there's send and receive for the cell signal which are not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► sure how much you can do about that because a certain point you have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► a signal of a certain strength just to talk to the towers and stuff writes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► there's the screen and there is the increasing the small number of chips on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/744">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► the thing most dominated by the system-on-a-chip and maybe I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/750">TS</a>]
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00:12:46 ◼ ► outrun the tennis you know they're getting thinner overtime right so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/766">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► they've just been kinda like on this night stage and I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► that the that they're not going to make it 4-1 as big as the 5s and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/777">TS</a>]
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00:13:09 ◼ ► power efficient system 5 bested but then again I don't know they could under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► clock at the have to have tools at their disposal to set to essentially pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► battery life but I don't think it's crazy to say that the smartphone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► going to get less gonna have low battery life just in general and and that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/800">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► if you assume all this to be true that we are speculating on here that also is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► more explanation why Apple want to get into the battery case market now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► can't get prepared for it and then when they released the new iPhone 6-4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► whatever you know when they release a new small phone then Apple already makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/820">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► battery cases and this is a thing that you can do if you do if you need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/826">TS</a>]
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00:13:53 ◼ ► this accessory if we make for this phone that will be smart and right there long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► time so I think it makes a lot of sense you know looking at them the most likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► reasons why the battery case and as we said last week anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/842">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► and as as other people pointed out especially our friend John Gruber it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/848">TS</a>]
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00:14:15 ◼ ► it's it's not that great to look at and it's a little as a few questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/855">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► design aspects to it but the functionality of everyone says seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/858">TS</a>]
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00:14:27 ◼ ► case they ordered during last week's show now I actually got a chance to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► it for a few days over the last week and it first of all it's not enough I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► certified so what that means is that Apple has not given three made for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/877">TS</a>]
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00:14:50 ◼ ► involved here and if I were using a case every single day I might reconsider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/890">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► using one that was not enough I certified and its weird like the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► lightning connector on the inside that it uses the phone it's obviously like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/900">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► not a real Apple lightning plug this is obviously like a knock off in every way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► it's a knock off that's one of the reasons why it is shaped unlike any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/909">TS</a>]
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00:15:19 ◼ ► lighting port down so it charges through lightning and just end it has no chin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► the only battery case I found it has no chin not even Apple's manages to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/924">TS</a>]
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00:15:46 ◼ ► the apple of her case or anything you do notice that it does add thickness but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► doesn't have a lot of size and so it actually feels pretty good to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► does not feel intrusive in the pocket it's an iPhone 3G / 3G s plastic feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/955">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► pretty good to grip in the hand it is done so having trying a new battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/961">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► cases maybe now appreciate that the one apple says call there's the smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/966">TS</a>]
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00:16:16 ◼ ► it does not turn itself off when the phone because under percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► you know it or or when it's down to zero whatever they get it doesn't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/980">TS</a>]
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00:18:23 ◼ ► just because it's officially supported a little bit smarter but I I don't regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► buying it from my very limited needs out of battery cases usually I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► case battery case for the in a few weeks a year they really want one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1111">TS</a>]
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00:21:26 ◼ ► calling me out for being too negative about Apple and and everything and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1286">TS</a>]
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00:21:38 ◼ ► about why this touch arcade article that came out about two weeks ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1298">TS</a>]
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00:22:07 ◼ ► worth considering some of these things and and kinda how that relates to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1327">TS</a>]
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00:22:56 ◼ ► years of advancement over the last decade so much advancement even even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► last two decades really there's been so much advancement of computing so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► advancement in the web in phones and apps and how we compute what we compute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► on all in all the various options we have the how good the hardware is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► good the software is how good the services are we have made tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► strides but I think over the last I don't know three to five years I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► we have picked so much of the low-hanging fruit already in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► technology is that yes there there are things we can keep doing to keep making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► things better and keep uncovering new ground but I think it's getting harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► and the number of asterisks the you have to accept on everything it seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► getting larger because again like we've done so much of the easy stuff already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► and that's not to say there isn't anything left to do but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► gains are going to be harder to get so for example if we near the standard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► obviously a big sprawling feeling that hard to let me focus down for now to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► Apple product line we are now at the point where the hardware is so capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► that we are mostly used limited by like dumb physical attributes how big are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► willing to make the thing so that we could have a screen is big enough to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► or talk show or keyboard it's big enough to actually used I think what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► seeing is like once we start pushing the boundaries of well what if we want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► more on our I've had sore but what if you want to make our laptops even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► smaller an even lighter what we want to compute on our wrists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► we keep having to a disastrous like in order to compute and our wrists we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► to have this weird the computer which is weird interface on it that can do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► things but is really slow and is kinda nice for something but has to recover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► and reliable and and it's always weird stuff will be seen with laptops is w you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► want to push it so small and so light and so thin that now it has to be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► slow and we have to get rid of all the ports which do occasionally come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► handy and also the keyboard has to be here is really controversial very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► ultra-thin design that has a lot of problems for a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► and with the iPad pro this is this amazing device for people who do work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► their iPad but it's so big that you can I can't hold it like you used to hold an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► iPad and you might not be able to you know do a lot of things that other iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► can do very easily with it because it's so big and so we're starting to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► these areas in which that we're just hitting tradeoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► left and right like everything has asked to respond at everything has exceptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► in the olden days we would have a smaller number of of more generalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► products you know you'd you'd have a Mac and whether you got like an iBook or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► paramount g5 they could do roughly the same kinds of things it would just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► to know how fast you want how much space you need that kind of stuff now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► getting these products that are that are differentiated not by like minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► suspected that but by like massive differences in how they can be used what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► they can do what they can't do or what they're really you know difficult to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► with and so it just seems like we're fragmenting everything in the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► were like we're starting a lot of things with with a weird one point was we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► ignoring a lot of other things that's too much to manage the old and boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► stuff is so if there is a lot being lost here and now to the point where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► have to like struggle to figure out how to do basic things on the newest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► hardware that we have that we were able to on computers years ago because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► news hardware so much better in certain ways it's really compelling the carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► to use whatever I feel like we are now at a point where there are there are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► many tradeoffs being made to achieve what we think is next to achieve what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► you want to go next door or with that or the kind of hard everyone be carrying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► around and using there are so many tradeoffs now that in a lot of ways like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► things are getting worse or more cumbersome more complicated or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► baked and were seeing weird products like these weird like laptop tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► hybrid that that are trying to cross these lines and kind of not doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► great job of it oftentimes and and I don't know it it feels like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► lot of weirdness and the product line is a lot more saying no to two things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► products rather than like you know before you buy a computer and anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► you can do in the computer you can do a computer before now that's no longer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► case in your smartphone's you go and you buy the iPhone and you have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► smartphone period that was it now that it isn't so simple anymore now do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► also want an iPad or not you also want to watch or not there's there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► variation now and in some way that's good even specialized you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► amazing hardware for certain rules but in so many other ways we are forced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► make all these tradeoffs that we didn't have to make before and anyway this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► all very very long and rambling but getting back to it the reason why I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► criticizing stuff when I when I want when I feel it's warranted that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► I feel like it's it's important is because this is where I do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► that this is this is my life is my hobby this is my work this my career I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► everything everything I do I do with Apple products with my computer with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► my phone like with all the stuff when anything about them gets worse or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► the future of and it's called into question i dont wanna like go to desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► Linux or Windows like this is where I get my work done so I get very defensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► of them and when I see Apple's patent themselves very thin trying to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► these different than the strengths figure out what the next version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► computing is so they can dictate that and a known that and and figure that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► I'm sitting here with my personal computing that has worked great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► decades and I i can I get a little defensive of it and I and I get worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► when the stuff I use becomes less reliable or less good or stops working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► at the expense of trying to push forward this this new world here that i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► is really trying to like it it's like it's like trying to extract oil shale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► you know it's like we should be put on the easy oil back forever ago now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► have to get all these weird election stuff I don't know this is a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► around the argument I should cut this entire thing what do you guys think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► mean is there anything to him saying here and I just totally lost or old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► a new thought technology is not new ones that technology we already have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► need to be applied in new context and this is this going more medicine maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► you are but if you ever find yourself thinking or saying anything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► know that people have been thinking or saying for the entire recorded history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► of humanity doesn't mean that you're wrong or that you're right but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► mean that you have to remember to sort of check yourself by saying all right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► know just to give an example I know for a fact that people are always saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► kids these days that every generation thinks that the kids are like lazier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► than they are right when I was a kid I learned had you know to latin school the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► kids these days don't and whatever like we all know that right and so if we ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► find ourselves saying you know is a true I'm out of touch know it's the children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► who are wrong if we find ourselves saying that because we know that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► always say that we check ourselves and say okay doesn't mean that I'm wrong it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► could be the kids these days do have a problem and whatever but I have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► skeptical and have that feeling because there's a reason everyone always said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► that gets old and the kids and can't do things differently than they do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► the kids are lazy and not as good as they were and shit and they had a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► to the kids like we all know that one there is an equivalent you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► repeating thought or historical fact or sort of feeling about the world in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► different context and you Marco I think I have it on one of them witches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► computing is to be simpler we had PCs and even the smartphones be as smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► phones in there was one of them and it was the best known and whatever else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► were inherent in that device it didn't matter because there was no other i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► phone you get because that was the iPhone and PCs in general purpose there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► was a long period of time where into the PC just got faster and better more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► memory more CPU more discs and laptops got smaller but not so small that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► start outside improvises and they got faster and better and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► black-and-white to color screens and like it was just such a logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► progression and part of the reason it seemed normal was because we were in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► growing up during that time and anything that happens when you going out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► the old saying I think it's Douglas Adams or somebody or whatever technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► exists when you're born you think it's normal whatever technology is invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► before you're 30 you think is great in anything about that after thirty think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► it's unnatural domination alright so you're getting is totally real but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► because everybody always has that feeling every generation before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► everything whether it's the automatic transmission or the wheel or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► horseless carriage or television versus radio or radio versus going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► theater or the masses not in Latin anymore whatever it is or the amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► variety of clothes that we have to choose from when I was a boy we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► have one pair of pants and one shirt like you have to reexamine their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► everything you're feeling about this in the context of your own life and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► own progression through this and it's like is this a natural part of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► older or is it a natural part of a market getting older because like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► markets are maturing kind of stayed the same like for example mechanical watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► not emotion there just bashing moving back and forth and some markets are much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► more dynamic like technology they're changing all the time and I guess that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► doesn't mean you're wrong about you know Apple being in a period where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► like either overextended or doing weird things are making different tradeoffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► are perhaps not picking the best balance of the product line especially as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► you're concerned or whatever but it does mean that at the very least every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► you have these feelings just like if you had the feeling about the kids these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► days you have to examine in a context honestly and even if you examine at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► very least Voice the fact that you know this is that the shade it could be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► could be that you're totally misleading yourself or whatever and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► will go a long way towards getting to the heart of what is really going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► because the feeling is real like the feeling is a hundred percent real but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► it's when you draw from that feeling of the conclusions that you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► careful especially especially and I'm getting back to visit specifics more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► when in the case of Apple you find your way through a series of logical leaps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► some sort of maliciousness or bad motivation whether it be greed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► you know whatever it may be because most of the time as we all know like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► it's very easy to jump to conclusions about you know melissa has been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► is just an unfortunate series of events or progress not actually made for you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► you don't have all the information available all those other explanations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► because you know in the grand scheme of things Apple is not a super evil company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► and it's true that you can have a company called really good people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► nevertheless does things that are bad but we all know abalone enough that I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► really have a hard time believing the the most craving theories about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► Apple does anything especially without in any actual evidence of then it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► like this is the type of thing they do because I'm mad about the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► product lines are changing and getting even more specific I think with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► tradeoffs in the products like a big is a natural diversification of this type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► of fraud just like any other business where you start with something simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► even just the Model T two comes in one color look at the variety of crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► things we have now did you see them was it the not the m6 this 6 x6 M at the M [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► version of the stupid ex BMW 1602 1603 second it's like a it's like an SUV that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2092">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► as fast as as it just doesn't make any sense of the car like they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► completely nonsensical things it's like oh I liked it better when we just saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► the Model T and I was the card you can get you can get a Panamera you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► that I saw the x6 M you can get a Miata with the Fiat body on that I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► can get all manner of crazy things in cars and it's like it was much simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► just like one or two cars it was but this is not the market goes on outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► now to pick which trails taiwan don't want any manner to have to get this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► but I can't find as many kids in it but then this has seats but they're small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► back seat but doesn't this fascist car it's like yeah that's just the natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► progression of any market it's going to spread like that and it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► uncomfortable because we were used to especially in such a weird period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► time only grew up hearing computers that when they were based in the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► better every year it was just such a clean wind it would be nice if things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► continue that way nice in terms of our comfort but probably not the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► to do for the market anyway I'm not this is not a that this is not to dismiss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► your Chris isn't as I have Chris's he's up to we all do only to make a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► on how how I think we all have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► look at the things that are legitimate upsetting us about technology prize in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► the grand scheme of things again but the technology products that were thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► about inviting him to use them for your work and it does have an effect on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► an actual real effect is not all academic and there's nowhere else to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► like well you don't know that because you just try that Froyo Android can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► awesome I'm something more on the desktop like you could be right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► they can't even say what does 10 10 10 might be good Casey likes of the Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► you can put them on the side of the screen and when I mean I i think for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► first of all I think you're right I mean this is this is why everyone loves you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► because you're able to see through all of our emotions and and BS arguments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► and and call it what it is so I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► emotions are real comeback ever shows a series of erotic references insensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► references that you don't get emotions are real like it's not it's not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► it's not to say that like oh dismissed the emotion like those are real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► your feelings are real and legitimate and I much validates them right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► like what you how you act on them and what conclusions you might grow and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► I'm saying is to be skeptical when those thoughts fall into common patterns that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► we know economy doesn't mean they're wrong it just means like use that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► tool to churn through no I mean that's fair I i think part of what I'm feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► is that I really do think Apple has more quality problems now than they used to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► really do think that they are spread more thinly needs to be and I really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► think that their new products are not nearly as big hits or as clean of wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► as their previous products but also it's it's that you know as you mentioned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► used to be so much simpler you know it for a while there I I would get excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► about almost anything Apple did because almost anything they did was potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► for me whereas now like you know right now everything's all all hyped up about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► I've had perot and the Apple TV crews the newest things and the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► products I use like the biggest most powerful most expensive desktops and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► biggest laptops don't get updated very frequently in meaningful ways the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► Pro hardly ever get stalked the 15 inch MacBook Pro is actually due for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► update pretty soon with sky lake and I'm sure they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► get thinner and lighter and with less battery life and everything and that'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► be fine and I'll probably buy one eventually so you know the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► product that that that I liked just kind of out of the PR cycle right now and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► the kinds of products like the iPad is very frustrating to me because I have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► I always want to really get into the iPad and just never it just never sticks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► from you never can can do what I need to do on it and I hear other people able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► incredibly awesomely freely work on their iPad pros and get most most or all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► of their worked on the iPad and I feel like I'm living in honor of the plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► here because I I just can't do that I'm afraid of you know the time being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► old fogey hears you get overrun by these young people using iPads and and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► able to I don't know a lot about me with their wonderful big light aircraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► carriers that are the joint iPad but I think back to in in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► there's sorry for the long long with a most unexpected but you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► back to a time in college I had a professor who still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► Gregory Katz hammer at Allegheny College I noticed his office that he was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► desktop Linux and asked him like you know why don't why don't you use Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► why why using Linux to do all this stuff you know why why are you not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► Windows across the world do you wouldn't it be more useful and and he said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► don't use Windows because I can't get any of my work done it with us and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► time that seemed like the most ridiculous statement I'd ever heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► allow what a huge nerd this guy is like I can't believe how could he not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► his work on a Linux now looking back on it he was totally right and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► Linux really was the best platform to get all the work done and now if I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► what is the best platform to get my work done it is very clearly Mac OS 10 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► no question it's Mac OS and the reason I don't use windows and the reason I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► not get any of my arms now my work might change over time obviously if I stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► making ISR or Apple ecosystem apps then I could probably work very well on Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► because you know that I wouldn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► Xcode but the difference in like if you're using just how I feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► have some kind of like ownership over that where it because it is so open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► source and weird and and and fragmented that that kind of keeps it healthy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► kind of like you know not having a monoculture as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► whereas in the Apple world like one company controls my entire work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► environment my entire work and happy life one company controls all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► and also they seem like it's no longer really top of their radar anymore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► know that and that's a little bit scary to me and so part of my reaction against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► everyone thinking of the word on the iPad is kind of a defensive position of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► like wait a minute I can't get my word on the on the iPad and also all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► focus on the iPad is possibly costing the platform that you get my work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► attention and maybe its future and that fuels threatening and you know obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► that's not a good position to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► to feel that way order to feel threatened obviously it's partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► defensive and irrational and partially you know get off my lawn kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► but it is certainly a feeling that i think is is worth recognizing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► know what do you think so I think the problem that you and I have is that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► though you said you kind of which the Apple ecosystem in 2004 is that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► that's right right so for me it was I believe 2008 and I think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► that you and I are wrestling with is that may be less in 2004 but certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► in 2008 when i when i became an Apple user things you're just getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► and better and better and better in pretty much every measurable way I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► sure if you were to go back to listen to podcasts from 2008 or 2009 we would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► found something to complain about because that's what is often do but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► hindsight I feel like it's fairly clear that things were just getting so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► better so much quicker we were on this like hockey stick of awesome just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► up and up and up and up and I remember being very happy about Snow Leopard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► Snow Leopard came at the right time because I felt like that's when things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► are starting to get a little shaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► and then Snow Leopard came into my recollection fixed a lot of the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► and I think that this the last year or so maybe a little more maybe a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► less is the first time that I and i presume you Marco have had to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► an apple that maybe isn't firing on all cylinders or or isn't isn't doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► we wanted to do which comes back with john was saying earlier you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► this isn't for us after all in and I think back to like the 2008 and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► feel like they ever I don't think at that point they really had any terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► strong competition in the mobile space and I think anyone who paid even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► least bit of attention would realize wow their computers are so much better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► PC had any anything that Microsoft would have touched and and it was so obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► that that Apple was so much better in almost every measurable way and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► funny because at the time I remember saying to friends you know I hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► Android gets better and I hope that Windows Phone mobile six metro whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► it was called Pocket Edition Pocket Edition I hope that takes off because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► want Apple to have competition I want them to have to work for it cause I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► don't want them to get complacent and looking back on it I almost wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► that wasn't what we wanted because granted Apple shouldn't be complacent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► now and perhaps isn't complacent but at the time I feel like they were so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► ahead of the competition that they could and meander their way into something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► awesome casually whereas today I don't know if I would go so far stirs plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► goes so far as to say that they're playing catch up but things are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► quite so simple anymore and I think Marco you had said earlier that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► earlier you know entered funds are pretty darn good now and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► there so there . they've gotten a lot better anyway and so a lot of the ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► in which Apple was a clear and obvious winner they may not be the clear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► in so I feel like where they used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► they used to be paving the the racetrack you know half half of the half length of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► track ahead of all the race cars now they're like yards ahead of the race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► cars and I think it's starting to show and so I think what we're wrestling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► and I'm hoping channel provides some historical context here since I showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► up is this is the first time that that you and i have seen in Apple that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► has sputtered a little bit it may not be as bad as those three complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► but I think we can all agree their sputtering a little a little bit just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► little bit and it's hard for its hard for you and I to deal with that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► we're not used to that we also sponsor this week by mail route should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► handling your e-mail e-mail nerds who do nothing but email gonna mail route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► founders first created a cloud-based email filtering solution that was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► good that they sold to Microsoft now they're back with the most innovative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► and effective spam and virus filtering available now if you can imagine a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► without spam viruses are bounced email if you can just imagine opening your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► email and seeing only legit mail that you want and need to receive or well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► that this isn't spam mail route can make this a daily reality especially for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► overworked corporate email admins and you have your own domain regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► who hosted mail route can help they have revived long dead domains that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► overrun by spam and there's no hardware or software to install or maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2777">TS</a>]
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00:56:23 ◼ ► hand-me-down iPad or some kind of tablet wouldn't do stuff on that the personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► computer as a thing to to the upcoming generation is indeed any examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3388">TS</a>]
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00:56:48 ◼ ► think of computers or basically thinks of them as tablets and doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3408">TS</a>]
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00:56:57 ◼ ► born into a world where they touch screens on their phones and tablets are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3417">TS</a>]
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00:57:08 ◼ ► you have this stupid tabloid lead touch on your thing I wanted to use of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► headset is like I get my work done in this tablet because like why we use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► head somewhere else use this template using a tablet examples I'm just taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► things that have to be can relate to that the job of the company like a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► long time help the company is a try to figure out what the next thing is and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► there and Apple did a pretty good job that doesn't mean I was going to win the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► future so lucky enough to both invent the future with the iPhone say hey guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► this is what a smartphone should be like there is like no you're totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and then here we are today and they still did well Apple essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► invented the the future as we know it like this it looks like we've got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► doing all this stuff and they more or less popularized that but didn't win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► that market someone else came to get those are great ideas now Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► Microsoft but we'll take those and run with it and we're going to do better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► than every other ways you're going to be a footnote in that race so I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► all these markets you talked about for like selling up to the iPad now is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► pro gonna do has a television and do whatever I think the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► thing is to make sure that Apple is wherever these various markets are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► growing TV that boxes are thinking a little behind their stuff to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► are things that made them a thing mostly because I made the smartphone thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► Apple is also there and it's kind of still in the race so i'm not i'm not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► really pessimistic about these things because Apple may not be the clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► winner in all these categories but it is reasonably well positioned and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3525">TS</a>]
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01:10:09 ◼ ► ways that could be explained and so I think that's an ongoing thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► think we'll try to do better in the new year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► absolutely so swift open-source we've talked about the sum and unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► the show notes are I think some of the things we've talked about some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► things we haven't but I I'm still stunned and extremely pleased with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► pretty much everything associated with this entire endeavor I cannot died I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► just can't believe that this is really what Apple is doing and just this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► craig Venter et was on the talk show which I thought was awesome and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► are some other guy on it to other than John Gruber I know who he was he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► alright but but Federici was great and I thought it was really candid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► conversation it didn't feel to me like like it was all just BS marketing speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► this is not unlike the conversation that that group Berhad with Phil Schiller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► wcco I thought was really great I think what they've done there is greed Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► Lattner if you wanna come on the show let us now open source thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► swiftly way it's being handled and and how receptive they've been two editions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► from the community like her last name Erica Sadun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► she had pitched getting rid of increment decrement operators and that apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► is going to be a thing for lips sorry my battery of the classic for Lori sorry my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► apologies but that's another gone and I just think that's phenomenally awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► and and I really genuinely commendable for pretty much everything that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► been doing around the space I know what do you guys think the stuff I have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► so stop the basis for the first time we discussed it but it's not dead but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► our fun person with a tweet from Chris Lattner from a little while back says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► Swiss comments and tests we are on track to be one of the most correctly spelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► investment dented ones in the industry and this maybe this makes no sense but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► it's a comedy like when you have an open source project and he put it out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► is a lot of excitement about that there is about sweat a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► wanted you thinks the easiest thing to do is sort of like shedding or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► to say I'm just gonna go on their fix typos and I'm going to reinvent this cos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► the spacing is all messed up and and this thing is it's really easy to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► that and you have a million people in the just that I say I just want to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► there and fix something so I just for kids get up and go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► documentation and test women like fix the broken indenting and there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► of people with enthusiasm and that's how they landed and it's kind of like on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► one hand you could be saying that like prisoners being mean don't you see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► contribution and we're fixing your spelling and typographical legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► concern but that's not how I meant it all as Matthew Palmer Park doubt anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► teaching people about what he calls pedantic PRS pull requests swiveling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► first nine Chris Lattner commit with type of pics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► and that herself to clarify later made it over to the side making small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► improvements is one that everyone get started this is open source works hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► want to help contribute swift but I am NOT ready to declare the language to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► work as I have never even written anything in it go fix typos go fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► inventing go fix a test suite go final test that fails on your system and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► it so passes on your system by adding a new conditional improving the capability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► to something that's how open source works so and I think the spirit of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► tweets about like the best Belden and ended things like that that's the spirit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► of like joyfulness of like look at all these people who talked about it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► talk show like tremendous of activity around so it's so much enthusiasm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► isn't had nowhere to go into office closed source and now that it's open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► source all these people who are jazzed about Smith have someplace to put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► effort and just having hundreds and thousands of people making this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► but I like it's going to be awesome for Apple that's like essentially work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► know the magical elements are you getting free labor that's making things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► better for everybody including us and everybody happy about the people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► because they feel like I contributed to this big thing that that's important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► all of us is happy because this stuff is getting better it's it's great to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► been I've been really impressed by all of it what else to do we have in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► show notes here the license you wanna talk about all that that John yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► gonna talk about the Apache to license I'm not a connoisseur of open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► license licenses but was pointed out to me one interesting thing about apache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► other than the fact that being like a nonviolent the GPL license that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► suitable for commercial entity like Apple to use for its software so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► doesn't open source everything that it right in swift or whatever else ever one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► particular part of it is the patent grant that basically makes it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► people covered say hey if I use swift for like whatever I'm doing I'm making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► some embedded software for like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► lights which they can wifi light switches something I want to do it do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► have to worry that Apple's gonna sue me for violating some patent or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► like that and the attitude license grants you know if you use the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► this license you know that it's legally is but each contributor hereby grants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► your perpetual worldwide non-exclusive non-transferable revocable except as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► stated in the section patent license to make have made use oversell bottle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► like everyone who contributes as baseless saying if you're contributing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► something that you have any patents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► contributor grants to you a license those patents and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► function of the end it's as if you institute patent litigation against any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► entity including a cross-claim or counterclaim lawsuit alleging that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► work or a contribution incorporated within the work constitutes a director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► contributory patent infringement than any patent licenses granted to you under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► this license shall terminate so basically if you contribute stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► interest to other people feel like hey that's my pen and work in there then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► lose all the patent protection it's basically a way to try to work around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► their stupid patent system to make people feel safer about both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► contributing to the best or whatever it things on the Apache License and and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► using it and to dissuade people from like putting a little patent time bomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► and trying to see everybody who uses because their patent things in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► that is pretty clever he's assuming that I am i understanding of it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► accurate but bottom line is that this is something that would make the Apache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► License particularly appealing to Apple and make it appealing to people who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► to contribute because you might be afraid of hurting your project to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► project run by a company that has a million patents and has litigated based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► on patents in the past Apple has alright so we did not talk about the package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► manager yeah this is a sort of a human interest story angle type things so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► don't know much about the manager of then we will put a link to ensure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► is open source and you can look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► but probably one of the developers behind it the guy who made homebrew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► package manager open source package manager for us 10 name is Max Hall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► the reason this came up in our little circles is he had some snarky tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► about Google not hiring him like he interviewed a Google and apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► google did not want him and maxed out like they didn't want him for dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► regardless of why Google didn't want him they didn't hire them and use them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► write and had him write a package manager for swift and considering hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► home brew which is pretty popular tax matter for us 10 he probably has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► significant experience writing thank you letters so hopefully he did even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► job on the second one and that like his complaint was basically like they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► me to do computer science stuff and they won't hire me even though they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► homebrew in Google I so you have your own place using my software but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► won't hire me because I can't do somewhere computer science nutrition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► thing in his perception of why he wasn't hired have always thought that that type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► of interview not Google specifically because they're hiring change over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► years and the measure with like these days but that type of hiring thing not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► the puzzle hiring but where you interview people and you want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► demonstrate their knowledge of theoretical computer science concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► this there's value in that but I feel you have to hire based on a balance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► things so maybe higher some some guy who is really strong academically in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► lot a lot of the conceptual stuff but has never really read networking program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► in his life is a well balanced like it you know he's I wouldn't he's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► great programmer and maybe the language and writing but he conceptual he knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► some really important and and heavy-duty things so that guy is the higher the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► other side of that is maybe this guy doesn't have a degree may be dropped out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► of high school for all you know but he's written he has a history of work of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► products of actual software that people use that maybe we even use that shows he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► knows how to create a good working product that people like but he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► know anything about computer science there may be that guy on bio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► unbalanced should also be higher if you just say there's a minimum barn you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► gotta know this minimum theoretical stuff and we don't care if you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► practical skill you'll end up with a bunch of like just cats wander around in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► your office thinking deep thoughts and never getting anything done and i'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► to see that Apple is hiring process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► recognized you know it obviously was so I think for different things and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► really the hiring process can be like homebrew we've heard number that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► pretty cool and then you just make sure he's not a crazy person and that he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► get along with people and that is interested in doing what you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► which may be right back in management and great you're hired so I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► is a win for Apple and Google necessarily need him to write a package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► manager for them or something but I just always that they're hiring is slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► unbalanced in terms of in again like maybe there the whole thing was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► it's worse for us to have a bad higher than to skip a good hire so maybe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► work exactly as designed and that there was a study or whatever that went around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► the web recently that one bad hires much more costly than missing out on a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► hire so that could be cool policy as well so maybe going to everybody but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► seem like a happy ending to what could have been a sad story and this guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► obviously got some skills and he found a good home in Apple did have you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► chance to look into the swift 3.0 goals because there's a whole I guess this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► a repost that is with devolution that talks about among other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► what's going to be happening with three yeah that's an ongoing thing there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► mailing list which i subscribe to and it's such high-volume that it I can't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► can't keep up with it like not only do I have that filtered somewhere but I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► subscribing to the digest version so they can handle the activity I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► thinking its gonna die down but boy yeah they're 3.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► iran oil is still up in the air people are still thinking of things people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► proposing like you know major things right now like more significant than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► getting rid of classic for lives and you know a plus + and minus minus much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► significant than most of them will not be adopted but the fact that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► that's what the discussion is the disease being entertained and discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► it a little bit scary and the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► things down more than that by now maybe we haven't maybe this is just exuberance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► activity but it's exciting to see it happening in real time and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► contribute to it if you're not a dummy like me and respond to digest version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► and forget to put the subject line and see your first post has no subject but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► that the worst I even have undo send on Gmail just a quick too long to notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► that under things went away any longer time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► old stupid but yeah like the only thing over there are hard investors like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► things they say are a legal language level concurrency not in 3.0 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► good to draw that line because that's a whole can of worms they did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► it's good to do anyway but but minor things you can see them happening in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► real time subscribe to The Mentalist and just try to read the coming up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► every day and there's a process as a proposal process this discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► everyone gets to contribute to the discussion effectively because if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► not going to implement the feature yourself not going to adopt it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► actively Apple still in charge of this whole thing it's not as if democracy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► if we all vote for some silly feature that Apple doesn't want that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► going to happen but that's the nature of open source of people if everyone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► community literally everyone in the community wants classic bartlett's backs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► Apple doesn't the community just orkut and go ahead now you are you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► developer you know you develop your four given a different name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► gonna that's the magic of open source but for now everyone seems to be singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► Kumbaya and be perfectly willing to throw a million proposals at Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► discuss them at length and then just trust that Apple is going to pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► one that is both things are useful and have reasonable support and hear more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► John talking like this I have to say yes everybody listen to the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► episode from this past week featuring craig Venter ed and our friend John here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► is obviously like you know if it was big news but honestly John I thought your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► segment was really really great you really really killed it so good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► there and I definitely recommend for our listeners if you are interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► swift being open source you must listen to that episode of the talk show it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► long but it is worth it helps if your programmer because I sometimes feel bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► when I go up not even john is an hour but like you know it was an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► about swept indeed anything else about swift open source saying that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► like to discuss tonight it would you like to hold off for another day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► now some of his aging like I would say if you want to still keep up on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► will just do subscribe to the mailing list you know it's the best like it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► insane amount of activity if you have any interest at all in may feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► know drinks from fire hoses the other thing you can do is subscribe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► people's blogs like Eric had a post about like here's the interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► that happened on the list this week you know her opinion like then you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► have to read 2000 messages someone smart will just pick up the things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► actually interesting and you can kind of get a summary like even that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► the cool features of the Pearl $5 which are actually surprisingly active given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► the popularity of these days but even that is too much to go through we wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► something like ten or fifteen people talking back and forth to have weekly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► summaries here's what happened in profile for us this week and just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► of a summary of the of you know of everything literally just the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► and so if you can handle two million but the people in the mailing list that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► contributing the most probably have blogs subscribe to their blogs and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► you'll get one step removed today makes it exciting times thats West an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► and bring it back around a little bit 20 percent earlier like you know as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► Apple is so big and so now sprawling and and as they keep doing things that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► have have kind of a mixed appeal to people like us or at least to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► something they do I'm really into and a lot of things they do I'm really not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► you know as as this happens and as as we see them stumble here in there and as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► see things that aren't as good as they should be here and there it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► easy to get really negative stuff and I really kind of fighting that for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► and trying to figure out how to reverse that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► that negativity in me and in in the way I feel about it though a talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► and I think one way to do it than that I really want to focus more on is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► even though the company is really big and they do some pretty crappy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► here and there in my opinion there are areas like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► areas with the swift open sourcing that's going on now where they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► are doing really great things and and even if over time those areas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► they're doing great work in become a smaller proportion of the of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► they do is in the way that I care about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► the fact is they are still doing a lot of really good stuff like that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► know I can I say this on my 05 ke iMac from last year that I absolutely love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► using an OS that I absolutely love that I get all my work done on and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► want to change so you know there is a lot of good there and I think the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► forward in in trying to mature in my discussion about this and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► minimize negativity unnecessarily is really just to to find the positives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► because they are there I completely agree one final debate on speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► the positive it's about sweat this is a treat from Danny greg has you kinda love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► the swift team referenced tweets in their source this is the exact opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► of radar or gtfo its claim that is credited with it but say one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► matches from Apple many years in the past and today to some degree the well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► is so you can assign a person W are you seeing you like there's a bug in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► API irresponsible the whatever library when you do this with the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► library this thing happens or whatever in Apple people would say you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► file a radar you can't just tell me you can't just like shout at me in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► hallway and tell me that if you passed know who this parameter crashes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► you have to follow read about how we track things that's a bug tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► system and the swift approach to this is someone to eat something and someone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► the 15 sees the Tweed and I guess they make the radar they had the bug tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► issue or whatever and then when they fix it in the source code they reference the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► about this crash sure so that's what they're saying it would denigrate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► this week the best like if you look at the Swiss source code you will find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► links to tweets saying this is why we know about this bug this person tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► this and then we might have fixed it was just totally the opposite of you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► go to Apple's official bug tracker and follow radar it's useless even talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► to me and both are good advice like you can't really tell people the Honda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► expects them to you wanna if you want to work in the city within the system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► on the other hand swift the 15th so engaging the community that they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► they're stealing in people's tweets about these things and they see it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► have got a crash on this whenever they will know and I guess they added to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► their own bug tracker or whatever you know paste the link between to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► source code remind them later to click on that link to go back into the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► said they had this thing and follow up with them or whatever is total community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► engagement always down to the level of representing referencing tweet that led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► to bug fixes which is fascinating from the perspective of a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► popularized the term radar GTFO I think we're good they said 43 sponsors this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► Squarespace Melrose and automatic and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin as it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5350">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► damn car's name is the x6 and the stimulators it's not the MCX 6 a.m. and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► the x6 M because the exits in the car in this and the Ember not the M Sport but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► the actual em so it isn't am car but it's not an M card is the M's at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► anyway 3.7 seconds to 60 3.7 seconds to 64 basically an SUV look at this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► it's like making it it's like making a hippo dance like it's just amazing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► you can do it like and the car driver review of the shootout between these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► cars like this one and whatever the mercedes one is it was like these car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► shouldn't even existed unholy that they're able to make the public but why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► like it's fascinating I guess but no one should ever by these cars they make no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► sense and it defies the laws of physics that like you make us think honor this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5454">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► flat and go this fast like going through Sloan cones and doing like handling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► things and shape the center like a Jeep Cherokee with a little bit lower hood is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► what what a whirlwind case you want someone else he would like the American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► version better prolly but it is way too good looking for cases on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► exact the hideous I know this is too early for me to ever Jerome area comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► in white guy he so much although I do love you John for knowing the very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► nuanced difference between an M Sport car in an actual M car how could I not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► how could I not spend enough time with us to knuckleheads and I don't blame you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► and Carly to do since we've already open the neutral door I drove a Tesla yes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► tell us about that dear friend of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► underscore David Smith has quietly bought his family a Tesla Model S a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► ninety and he he and his family visited this past weekend very very briefly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► swinging through Richmond he took me for a ride and I know this is not the David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► Smith that I met a few years back because we got to the end of my road and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► at the end of the road that my house is on it teason to a pretty big road I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► don't remember the exact words that were used but something along the lines of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► came from underscores mouth and you have to understand kids that underscore used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► to drive a Corolla and although it was his idea for mark when I to join him at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► the two-day am driving school I think he was the least aggressive of the three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► us is effort to say no easily and next thing I know he's saying to me are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► ready and then he stands on the gas will make a 90 degree turn on the gas sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► the throttle tapers off TV so I can watch it later I don't even know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5571">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► to go from here but anyway so he took at first he demonstrated autopilot which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► was fascinating and petrifying he drove reasonably briskly which made me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► happy I cannot even begin to describe it and then we got back we went on like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► literally five to ten minute loop which involved a little bit of kurds a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► bit of travel on highway and then a little bit of just like regular surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► roads and then he offered for me to drive and do you basically the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► same circuit first impressions the car doesn't creep when you come off the gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► however there is a setting which is extremely weird and no I believe they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► well I don't know if it's creep mode I see what your saying that I didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► it at first but a good name for those you really don't want that on right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► exactly in the funny thing was underscored said to be well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► this is gonna be more like your car which doesn't really creeped when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► come off the brake which generals true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► but my brain was an automatic mode where if you come off the brake you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► to move forward and it didn't take long for me to get used to the cream not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► being there but was peculiar because my brain had to like balance this threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► between driving a stick and driving automatic which is very peculiar he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► spent a long time and i genuinely glad he did explaining to me how freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► weird regenerative braking is and you know what it's freaking weird that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► option to buy the way you can turn off the one foot driving mode but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► stupid because you don't turn it off to get used to it yeah you can turn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► yeah I was about to say just like market estate you know you can also turn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► down I think it was resetting it soft medium and high or something along those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► the funny thing is like it was really easy for me to drive Tesla's because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► cart with the DCT doesn't creep that's true and it has so much engine vacuum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► when you let off the gas that it really pulls you back almost like regenerative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► braking so in in the settings you were using it actually feels a lot like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► car that's when you're doing that you're not getting any gas back from this break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► we're expensive breaks yeah that's right what's the countdown for months or so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► we eventually take off and and i got you know halfway down my little neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► street and I got going just just a hint to quickly so I could feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► regenerative braking and it is weird man it's not that terribly dissimilar from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► driving a Wrangler at speed where if you take your foot off the gas you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► suddenly kind of stopped but the difference here again is instead of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► being because there's so much wind resistance against this rolling box in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► this case it's because you're saying John you are actually recovering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► electricity which is really cool and so what ended up happening was it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► take me too long to as one of you just said Dr with basically only one foot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► it's weird I liked it was kind of a fun game but it is weird that being said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► eventually got onto a larger road and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► you know kind of creeping a little bit and then I stood on the accelerator or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► throttle if you will and by god the closest thing I can the closest analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► I can make is imagine a turbocharged cars like mine or like Marcos where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► you're in a relatively low gear at reasonably quick speed so say I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► like 2nd gear like fifty or sixty miles an hour so if I stand on the gas at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► point presumably the turbo is already providing boost and if I stand on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5815">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► gas I'm gonna go and I wanna go with the quickness well a relative quickness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► given that I'm burning did dinosaurs this thing however felt like that from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► stop from any speed from any speed there was instant infinite power and the 9th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► ed as I said to Marco after I drove it it is sufficiently fast now as I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► said to Marco I'm not used to Marco being satisfied with sufficient it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► sufficiently fast told you so it is it is absolutely true I still think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► gonna get the performance version but it is sufficiently fast thanks and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► decided this week but I'm getting really so it just just looking at the figures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► today like should I just go performance anyway and thinking I still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► probably not but I was tempted I just just to let you know I will get what one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► thing that I learned while browsing around their forums which I have seen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► lot of Internet communities it might in my time so far and the Tesla forums are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► not among the most hopeful that I have seen but one thing that I learned from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► these random strangers of very mixed credibility and relevance skills and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► writing skills on a page that loads incredibly slowly because what year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► anyway on the official forums I learned that apparently there the quoted range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► that you get goes down pretty hard over time it says you lose like three to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► sounds like a lot and like like the range of free to go from 85 to 90 D is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► only six percent and the difference between the the non P and the PC version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5934">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► in battery is something like twenty percent so it's actually it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► big difference and so i i wonder you know i i think maybe I really might want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► the maximum range and to not get the PC version if for no other reason which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► store of everything but if for no other reason than to really maximize my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► initial range because I'm not even be getting that in like two years you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► but the myself more padding on the Rings take their naps during the battery swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► for $99 lithium-ion batteries that just like the one you're gonna get crap here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► as he is I'm you know it's funny you bring that up because he played a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► of interesting points the first thing he said was you know if you were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► buy one which I'm not but if you're going to buy one in three years too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► money if it was if it was affordable hey whatever happened I was trading my car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► ready same thing about Apple products same thing on the list slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► expensive than the average car than a Mac is the average pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► thank you john in terms of terms of absolute values if not percentage amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► of three comes right so we'll see but anyway he made an interesting point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► which was the way this technology is an end with the way the batteries are it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► would probably be a pretty dumb idea to purchase one rather than least one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► I've never had elisa my life and they seem in a lot of ways like a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► waste of money to me but I think he's probably right in this case that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► seems like it would be silly to purchase a car where when you fill the tank so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► speak in three or four years you will not be able to fill it as high as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► were once able to when it was new to remember the the plan for the quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► charge stations that instead of the supercharger they would take the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► I don't know if that's the thing anymore but I do remember that plan and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► wouldn't be a new one it would just be a different one gets its like any propane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► cylinders at the hardware store you might get a new one but chances are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► hitting someone's old rusty one yeah I mean that the majority of the cost of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► the car he says that big battery and so there's no avoiding the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► they're gonna get older they gonna get trapped here and yet at least three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► starts to make sense in that scenario but promised them when the lease is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► least another one like they're not gonna yes there's going to be a secondary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► market for them but at a certain point the battery is crap like you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► we have been around long enough to get you find some Tesla Roadster and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► like other test test the road to choose out there that just no one wants because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► it's like it's like selling a car with it was seized engine that gets fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► you just need a new engine its $100,000 battery pack this this is not a car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► I would want to own outright just because it is changing so much still we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► still have the Model S has only been around for what three or four years so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► like it has been out walking right so we don't really know what the used market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► is like when they get at least residual they really are discounted guessing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► so by leasing you're putting the risk on Tesla not on you and I think for for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► product this young with advancing so quickly plus like that they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► advancing the features and and the product line and the hardware the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► in the car wake you know in six months after I get mine there's gonna be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► massive new feature the my car can do they're gonna wat you know because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► keep they make things so quickly it isn't even on a yearly schedule they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► every four months we just knew new features new changes and some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► are software that that that the previous Carson get and some of them aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► it really is updated as often as like a computer is updated with new features a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► new capabilities in new hardware and so do you really wanna be using a six year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► old one but maybe not you know if you care about all the cool new stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► keep adding I i think at least really does make a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► and especially for a car that's this young and its development cycle for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► industry that this young with the out the whole car industry you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► don't know what it's going to be like in three years you don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► market for these cars will be like in three years and how easy it will be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► sell one you know it's or what long-term Eaton's might cost you know all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► are still sucks unknowns that leasing makes a lot of sense yeah I agree the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► other interesting point that that underscore made and I didn't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► was the thing but apparently whatever flavor battery is in the Tesla it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► understood that charging it only to about eighty or ninety percent of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► is better for the battery then charging it all the way to a hundred percent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► so apparently what you can do is you can say to the car you know what generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► speaking just charged 80 percent it's out there I'm just gonna be around town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► its fine and then you can like requester or tell it to do a full max range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► charged in the instances here about to go on like a roadtrip fascinating is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► extension of the BMW's where you have settings every possible thing like Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6236">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► it's also exciting all the way down computers and electronics like they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► taken to today BMW's sounds like everyday worries taking to like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► things you can adjust the other cars you can adjust in the BMW but but something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► you can't just that all right and like everything up for grabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► maybe if you want me to turn the steering also left the wheels go right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► it's probably not that one but they could probably do against its electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► it's ridiculous that the touch screen in center usually just what the screen off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► just visually having a 17 inch monitor in the center of the car looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► ridiculous and I hated however it did not take long for me to start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► appreciate what that affords you having this humongous screen inside of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► like having a navigation screen dad is a mammoth being able to go to pain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► you can split in half so that the thing is mounted in portrait orientation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► you can split it in half so you have like a top half or bottom half and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► you wildly different things on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► I thought the touch screen was reasonably responsive I didn't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► was bad I thought it was aesthetically sufficient I wouldn't say it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► great but it was ok my understanding is they recently did a quote unquote Iowa 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► update and before that it looked to really dated from what I've been told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► yes but this one i mean seemed fine I can i still can't get over how quick it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► was from any speed instant it was like getting it was like one of those linear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► induction roller coasters at any speed instant power I did briefly tried the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► autopilot really weird really really weird not bad weird but really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► David said that if you leave your hands off the wheel for an extended length of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► time it gets progressively more angry about that fact and I believe he said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► will eventually pull the car over and get put on the emergency flashers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► assuming that you've liked at some sort of medical emergency or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► but it was very cool but very very weird and it was unbelievably cool to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6353">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► see even when I wasn't an autopilot mode just because of the light proximity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► awareness what was going on around me it would actually show an icon of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► in front of me on the dashboards not like the specific make and model of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► car but I got representative this there is a car in front of you and it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► similarly I see where you are in the lane and in so it kind of gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► constant bird's eye view of where you are within the land which was very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► interesting I loved it I thought it was extremely cool I won't say it utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► ruined my car but if I were to buy a car tomorrow and I could afford one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► I would absolutely do that instead of any sort of petrol gasoline car I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► got to the point that I started to think to myself you know me instead of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► an error in an SUV that our model yes it does hold more it has that front trunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6413">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► and she looked at me and was like not happening but I I loved it I absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► loved it I thought it was extremely cool and it seems clear to me that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► the future but the future it's a president my neighborhood they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► most common rich person car but they're pretty close they're just everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► it's worth I have seen a noticeable uptick in the in the in like just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► last three months around here to like I'm guessing going although drive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► I bet that help them tremendously in the Northeast I really like now I really am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► seeing them all over the place it's I just don't even know what to say it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► just so you know it was is I've become very spoiled by my car because my car in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► this is not unique to BMW's but I do think it's you need to luxury cars it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► just built well he has had problems yesterday almost exploded a few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► back it's had its share of problems but when it's running properly which is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► often than not it just is so well built it just feels so solid it just feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► right in this car the Tesla Model S felt the same way I didn't miss that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► sturdiness of it at all whereas when I tried various mazda6 which is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► great car little old now 2007 but it's a great car and I really like her car it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► just not built the same way it's not built as sturdy as like a deal German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► boat of a car is and this is built just as sturdy I loved it the iPhone app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► definitely has a bunch of problems but the fact that you can do so much me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► iPhone app you can open the sunroof you can turn on the air conditioning you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► tell it to charge you can see what the charge is it was incredible 11 we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► plugged it into my house it like sorta trickle charge for a little bit to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6535">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► to decide whether or not my electricity coming out of the house was sufficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► enough to do you like a full-bore charge and then it eventually ramped up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► things like to answer something that I forget exactly what it was but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► eventually wrapped itself up to like I'm going to charge myself as quickly as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► possibly can from a traditional electrical outlet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► just everything about it was so cool and so well done and it doesn't mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► doesn't have problems but it was so cool and so well done and so clearly are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► nerds automobile I want I want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► yeah I really am here to keep talking underscore in seeing what he thinks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► know long-term and you know what they like I heard I talked to a friend in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► neighborhood who just got one and I think he probably has similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► sensibilities as me with this sort of thing and and and he said he loves it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► but it is a car made by tech people and it has like you know bugs and software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► updates so you have to look you know you're setting yourself up for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► that that aside it is really nice and it comes with the up sides of that as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► you know if the frequent updates and adding stuff after the fact I mean my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► car has gained nothing I bought it except for some things start to work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► lil bit worse over time but my car is not getting a single new feature since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► bought it whereas I Tesla's get updated over the air and they get new stuff all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► the time so that's interesting and I might not always want that there might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► be some times where drives me nuts when it when it doesn't do what I want her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► when I when I wanted more conservative but I think overall it's probably a net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► win so I guess we'll see what happens I mean you know we could be looking back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► on this episode in you know three years when you have already bought one my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► lease is about to end and I'm ranting about how much I hate all these dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► software bugs and everything we looking back on it and laughing but at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► moment I think it sounds like an OK tradeoff overall and and to get a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► that's over all that good I think it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► one final note while thinking of it I was utterly baffled with what to do when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► we got back to the house and I parked the car the gear shift is on the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► hand side its atomic column and that was pretty self explanatory heck it's a hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► of a lot better than BMW automatics not the DCT is with the automatics DCT there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► believe me even weirder I mean like so ok we turn the car on a start and park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► as far as I know when to shift out of park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► I don't think there's a way to get it back into park without turning the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► off there is on the automatic I can't speak for the DCT areas you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► it's the disease are totally different for some reason and it is so strong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► the automatic our view of modern automatics are themselves incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► like an intuitive and a weird and just messed up the DCT is also just as weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► but it's all different interesting it's very strange I guess if the paddles not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► only I don't use the stick with the reverse because the stick is just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► strange that just not worth it yet so I put the car in park that was fined and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► then I look for the ignition switch which I guess ignition in and of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► as a barbaric term now but archaic I should say but there wasn't one and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► just was looking around confused and I think david has kind of enjoying my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► being perplexed and eventually to him and said what do i do is get out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► car is always on effectively as long as you're sitting in the car the cars on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► ready to go to just get out and when I walk the Cardinal game cumshot itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► off so weird so call so much the future wants it so yeah if you are someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► is interesting in advertising on the axle tech podcast otherwise known as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► Casey by a Tesla fund please reach out to anyone of us send as many miles as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► you buy because I would like to have a test yes we're now going to have six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► sponsors per episode battle a West Esplanade buying ads they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► don't need to do they do need to so we are moving to six to twelve ads per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► what we're trying to do the math on what we're gonna get work on that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► testimony to get meet you still wouldn't buy one you would still talk yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► out of it I don't have the house for a don't have the space for and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► i dont i dont have a burning desire for a test like I had enough money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► testing I would definitely be shopping for different cars you guys already had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► fancy BMW got it out of your system I haven't given me enough money for Marcus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► fancy test I would chop different car but what would you get instead for say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► you know ninety grandeur ever these and I would I would look at all the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► to look at Mistys BMW Audi wouldn't look at Jaguar sorry you know how to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► accurate tribes see what's out there would you know that's what I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► consider before that I'm not ready to have weird car experiments like you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:56 ◼ ► will but the seventh model test level you know just like the iPhone when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6836">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► come up to six or seven tests alone probably right for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► goodness yes so I want it and don't don't ever hand me the key to your test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► because you never gonna get it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► because you never gonna get it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/6852">TS</a>]
00:00:00 ◼ ► I was looking at something and then jumped away that the kind of experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► you wanna provide me pull off so there is actually a term just like there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► everything a business like parking lot and all staff all gortari how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/9">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► talked about for the concept I think I just grabbed an earlier show people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/14">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► middle management are motivated to make things that are bad not sound quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/19">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► bad when I talk to their boss because if you're telling your bad boss bad news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/24">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► about tobacco why is this bad news happening in the reason we pay you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/28">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► make bad things that happen and so as it goes up the management James say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/32">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► start with the truth down the leaf nodes but I'ma get to the CEO is a disastrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► from doesn't sound so bad and a terrible that is green shifting which is a plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/41">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► red shifting just like any other galaxies are racing away from us and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► the wavelength of light coming from stretch towards the red side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► visible light spectrum saw the galaxies stars tougher red shifted green shifting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► is getting nicer as they go up there are charged so that's a great time had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/56">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► heard it before but it's a real thing I've not heard that either I never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/60">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► it you can use it you can use green shifting on a year or China home isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/66">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► quite deep enough maybe like cops that something terrible outside a Carlton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/70">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► something gross when you report it to Adam you can say all hops just got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/74">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► cops encapsulated in green shifted that obviously pretty much happens like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/86">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► really is is very plausible of a situation to happen and how to get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/92">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► household Raffaele rate in this is an interesting take on something we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/98">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► about last episode about you know walking out and about software quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► and having like Snow Leopard releases are you just work on bugs and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► the the concept of year the releases came up and what I was arguing with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► it's really arbitrary if you're a discipline software organization and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► that by becoming his last year's all you're doing is changing the discipline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/119">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► from working on something until it's done by justice sticking to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/123">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► schedule and saying what it in and what about that schedule and anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► gets pushed to the next release and so on and so forth that's night and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/132">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► Raffaele gave the example that should have thought of that is true for a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/135">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► of the software used today instead of doing fewer avisas how about doing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/141">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► releases as in continuous reviews kind of like Chrome browser they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► evergreen that are sort of like mandatory auto updating and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► really care about the version is like none of us know off hand or chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► Bergeron run whatever the latest this anti-crime updates all the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► updates whenever they feel like it if instead of having yearly releases and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/160">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► saying well that's that's that's that's too much of a rush make them two-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► get rid of the whole concept of like this big important released its where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/169">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► the inter press release and bullet points and instead just do small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► incremental train its all time I think jeff Atwood had a park about this couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/176">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► years ago the Internet version but basically the same thing that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► people are familiar with the web browsers where version stopped mattering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► is just the software exists and it continued to continuously update itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/187">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► and hopefully gets better and that's a different a different mindset where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► you're making lots of small changes which are easier to make and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/197">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► consequences of screening upper smaller because then you're sure you then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► know what it is screwed it up like if you made one small change and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► sudden you know there was some huge performance regression and some damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► operation I crash happened with chrome 43 recently you know what changed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/211">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► that and you you can really impact because it's just one small change from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/216">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► the previous version and B if you have a chance of fixing it was you know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/220">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► what small thing it was so if you make a series of small changes over time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► potentially better for your customers and also better for you in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► knowing what you've done to screw things up so I kind of like this idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► looking at the software that we use more and more of it so I swear you said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/238">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► updates manually then became auto updating we're not quite to the infant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► version for all software available but moving away from ikea.com marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► releases were the only reason you have a big thing is it's kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/252">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► tradition or a holdover from when you bought things in cardboard boxes and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► course there had to be a big deal because you have to put a new set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► cardboard boxes and new art and cover like doing nearly didn't really says is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► really just kind of a holdover from that and it seems like the trend is away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► that and more towards continuous releases and I think that I'm intrigued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► by his idea like to subscribe to the newsletter the the upside I said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► that it only doing these days regular basis for marketing purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► purposes but marketing is not nothing right if our goal was to move to a sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► of a news release cycle for major products that means it gives up the perk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/288">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► of being able to make grand announcements at WWDC some kind of press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/293">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► conference for the invite the press out to show them something you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► that anymore you don't get the big bump in the press you don't get the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► today announced blah blah blah blah blah maybe they get that less for software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► and hardware but that is there is a downside to this and part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► Apple keeps doing these markings releases is because it's it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► to them to get the extra hype and publicity and get people excited and hat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► and seemed to make significant progress I got a lot of what we thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► Apple's like one day they appear and they say hey we've got this great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► and look at this new thing the new thing if we got that same thing in seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/329">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► you know instead of one big bang it's less impressive even though we end up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► the same spot so I think there has to be a factor I i still think it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► but that's that's the calculus that have to do internally if they want to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► this type of system for software release alright and Eric Michaels overhead some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/348">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► interesting thoughts on iphone battery thinness yes last week we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► about the battery case and I of course complain that I always do that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► iPhone battery life is not good enough and one of the theories presented was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► that maybe the battery case was kind of like apple filling out the market for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► little more info on whether people really do want more battery life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► their iPhones in order to inform future decisions about the iPhone designs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► her friend Eric Michael Bowden to point out that you know but this time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► iPhone seven is almost certainly already completely done and designed the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/381">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► iPhone battery cases a signal that the battery life for the iPhone seven will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► probably the same or worse than the iPhone 6 and success you have to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/390">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► until the inevitably figure i Phone 7 released next year to introduce a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► battery case the press would have jumped on them saying improved battery life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► the iPhone seven to be adequate now if Apple releases new battery case for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► iPhone seven Apple battery cases will be old news because they of course just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► released this one for the iPhone 6 in other words this is the first Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/407">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► so that that all that from your friend I think that is pretty much on point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/413">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► think he's almost certainly right that the seven is almost certainly done or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► close enough to done that they wouldn't be making major changes to things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► how large the battery is because that's a pretty major physical change to it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/424">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► a design I'm guessing this is maybe not quite planned out quite that well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/428">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► more like the battery case was dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► seems like a band-aid solution it seems like something that Apple did not expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/437">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► maybe even one year ago to be making and releasing now but that they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/441">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► identified a problem / opportunity and made it to address that but I think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/447">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► right that there probably are not going to be meaningfully addressing battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/453">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► life in the iPhone seven and if they were released this because they often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/456">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► seven gonna be out in you know what seven or eight months nine months so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► that you know apples apples very patient and so they were really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► address this problem in the iPhone seven and give us a big chunk of battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► improvement they probably wouldn't release the battery case today or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► least it would make it a lot less likely they would so i i think is right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► think we're going to have to live with it you know that people who want more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/479">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► battery power either gonna go go to the plus or just use external battery cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/483">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► are battery packs like this theory only works if you assume Apple is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► company in the world that makes iPhone accessories battery cases have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/491">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► thing for ever like there is no idea that there is no additional wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► Apple making a battery cases like big cell battery cases in their stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/498">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► people use them all the time it's a thing like Apple's just making one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► them because if I got around to making one of them of course there is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► be like of course it's going to be like that's that's the way it goes right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► predicting the battery life will be similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► well it's been similar for many years now that's not a big surprise either I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► just don't make the leap always there for releasing this really is a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/521">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► avoid appearing to say that the iPhone 72 good battery life is gonna have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► same as you know and the success within a small margin of error in its gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/529">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► thinner of the phones I think it's a status quo and a lot of people reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/534">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► also like say no Apple makes a better case that let them know more information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► about who buys battery cases but they sell them in their stores they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► happened informations they could be charging the battery cases they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► themselves from third parties just as well as they can be charging their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► so I think Apple has a pretty good feel of who wants a battery case and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► sizes are the most popular and it just made one for the same reason it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► leather case in the silicon case and cases for iPads and other accessories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/565">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► they make because of the things that people want to buy an Apple make one for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► you and you can buy from them and their margins are probably better than anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► else because they get good pricing on parts and they charge like 10 or 20 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/576">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► bucks and everyone else for their logo it is also worth considering you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► the the rumors are getting pretty strong as a lot of smoke and even some evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/585">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► now that there will be a new foreign China phone design soon we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► how soon maybe it's in the spring maybe in the fall who knows doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► that much to be honest but there there is certainly a lot of smoke by these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/598">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► rumors so there is very likely to be fired this is very likely to be a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► thing that is happening and it's essential to make a new foreign if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/607">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► rumors are true the foreign film will have the approximate internals of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► iPhone's success now if you look at any kind of bad battery life graphs for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/615">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► there was actually a noticeable jump from the five master the six and we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/622">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► we saw this for years beforehand with Android phones that are bigger than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► the iPhones when you make a big phone you have room for more battery the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/631">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► reason why the six plus gets more battery life is because it has a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► that something like fifty percent larger than the six because there's room for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► obscenely thick or two or two weirdly heavy for its for its proportional size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/645">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► and it out runs the screen like the screen up bigger to take more power but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/649">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► the more battery out runs the more screens so the bigger you make it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► the more the battery wins exactly so it does look very likely they will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► foreign phone but if we follow that that advantage now then backwards back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► making foreign phones again a four-inch phone with Apple's current priorities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/667">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► for thinness and and the expectation like the 5 S's way thicker than the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► and the 62 has more battery life and because of that the ratio of the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/677">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► now they're not going to make a new foreign phone that's a stick of the 5s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/681">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► again it would of course be thinner it would probably be more like the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/685">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► Touch oriole not not at the end but radios but it will probably be more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► the success thickness but just in a smaller body that small foreign assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/694">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► it's real and assuming it's coming out soon and assuming it has the guts of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► success would probably get pretty mediocre battery life even worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► the success I would guess well there's any other tool that they have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► disposal but they've been leveraging is make it to the stuff inside upon less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► power so one thing is obviously if they do you know another process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► on the immune system on a chip that's some savings there the other rumors have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/719">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► been reading about as probably not the iPhone seven but the thing to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► about the future is moving too old for the screens which is another power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/727">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► savings and you know you have to think what is left is taking power in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► phones but there's send and receive for the cell signal which are not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► sure how much you can do about that because a certain point you have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► a signal of a certain strength just to talk to the towers and stuff writes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► there's the screen and there is the increasing the small number of chips on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/744">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► the thing most dominated by the system-on-a-chip and maybe I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► RAM and so you get your biggest bang for the buck of making make you scream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► tickets power making system-on-chip to US power and that's what Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► always been doing over time and so that is their tool to perhaps eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/761">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► outrun the tennis you know they're getting thinner overtime right so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/766">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► they've just been kinda like on this night stage and I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► that the that they're not going to make it 4-1 as big as the 5s and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► will probably get certainly will get worried about her license XXS eyes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/781">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► certainly that well against works than the five wells gonna have a way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► power efficient system 5 bested but then again I don't know they could under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► clock at the have to have tools at their disposal to set to essentially pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► battery life but I don't think it's crazy to say that the smartphone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► going to get less gonna have low battery life just in general and and that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/800">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► if you assume all this to be true that we are speculating on here that also is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► more explanation why Apple want to get into the battery case market now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► can't get prepared for it and then when they released the new iPhone 6-4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► whatever you know when they release a new small phone then Apple already makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/820">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► battery cases and this is a thing that you can do if you do if you need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► battery life will be offer it isn't a design flaw you see you could just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► this accessory if we make for this phone that will be smart and right there long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► time so I think it makes a lot of sense you know looking at them the most likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► reasons why the battery case and as we said last week anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/842">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► and as as other people pointed out especially our friend John Gruber it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/848">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► really is not a terrible products it's just a little bit weird and and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/851">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► it's it's not that great to look at and it's a little as a few questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/855">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► design aspects to it but the functionality of everyone says seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► be pretty decent on that note I wanna do equipment a follow-up on my soul a memo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► case they ordered during last week's show now I actually got a chance to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► it for a few days over the last week and it first of all it's not enough I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► certified so what that means is that Apple has not given three made for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► iPhone stamp of approval it basically means that Apple is not certified to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► compatible and safe and everything else to use iPhones so there's some risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► involved here and if I were using a case every single day I might reconsider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/890">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► using one that was not enough I certified and its weird like the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► lightning connector on the inside that it uses the phone it's obviously like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/900">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► not a real Apple lightning plug this is obviously like a knock off in every way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► it's a knock off that's one of the reasons why it is shaped unlike any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/909">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► other iPhone country ever seen in the way it kind of like a cuddly mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► lighting port down so it charges through lightning and just end it has no chin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► the only battery case I found it has no chin not even Apple's manages to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► but it's probably some good reason why within a month I suspect other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/928">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► can't do that if I certified probably something about like you know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► stress can take a look kind of design it has to have something has to be or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/936">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► overall it is surprisingly thin and light it is not as thin as like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/940">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► the apple of her case or anything you do notice that it does add thickness but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► doesn't have a lot of size and so it actually feels pretty good to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► does not feel intrusive in the pocket it's an iPhone 3G / 3G s plastic feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/955">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► pretty good to grip in the hand it is done so having trying a new battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/961">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► cases maybe now appreciate that the one apple says call there's the smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/966">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► battery case you know this one you have to turn it on and turn it off manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► it does not turn itself off when the phone because under percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► you know it or or when it's down to zero whatever they get it doesn't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► smart it is literally just like you manually apply power to your phone when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/984">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► you feel like it and then you turn it off when you feel like your phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► charged enough it is done it is cheaper it is not enough I certified that being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/991">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► said it does work it is really small and it is really light and it feels good in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► the hand so i think im really bring it to compensate for the next nine months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► or so until the next phone comes out and ask me again how it is after the BBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1005">TS</a>]
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00:17:53 ◼ ► won't you know that one and a half the price and a little more than three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► thousand million powers that the vote ready something ultra-slim something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► something with a built-in mic cable which is awesome you know that 125 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1083">TS</a>]
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00:18:11 ◼ ► looking forward to buy but if you want an actual battery case and not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1091">TS</a>]
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00:18:18 ◼ ► case but if your gonna be using it that rarely I might even say go with Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► just because it's officially supported a little bit smarter but I I don't regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► buying it from my very limited needs out of battery cases usually I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► case battery case for the in a few weeks a year they really want one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1111">TS</a>]
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00:19:39 ◼ ► CMS and keeping it updated and figuring out how to use it and figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► add functionality to it and all that overhead that you don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1184">TS</a>]
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00:21:01 ◼ ► the Apple TV is making no money for app developers like every other app store on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► the platform they actually know let me try it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► would like to talk about the challenges that are facing AppleTV developers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► China I'm trying to make it would take more positive spin on this so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► let's talk about this this is something that you know in recent weeks we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► very critical of some stuff Apple has done I have heard all year from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► calling me out for being too negative about Apple and and everything and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► got a little bit with the whole show it's been a lot of me though and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► rare that I have been very negative I wanted to kind of explain a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► about why this touch arcade article that came out about two weeks ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► editor's note to the popular games in the Apple TV after making $100 a day or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► less a worrying trend appears and the whole article is in it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► pretty Randy and it isn't all fair criticism but there is a lot of fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► criticism in it and I think it's it's worth considering for both Apple nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► able care or read it but for both Apple and for Apple developers like us it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► worth considering some of these things and and kinda how that relates to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► negativity and there is also a really good episode of Control Alt Delete which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► is a podcast with Patel and Walt Mossberg there is an episode I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► this week alan dershowitz about kind of like being disappointed with with modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► tech and kind of being burnt out on like where modern tech is going and kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► like whether we're like a kind of a slow period of of true innovation and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► think all this kind of combines with with what I perceive with with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► Apple's current problems of just there's a lot of stuff that's like a 1.0 state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► or that's being pretty clearly neglected for a long time but I think I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► has happened is we had such a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► years of advancement over the last decade so much advancement even even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► last two decades really there's been so much advancement of computing so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► advancement in the web in phones and apps and how we compute what we compute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► on all in all the various options we have the how good the hardware is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► good the software is how good the services are we have made tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► strides but I think over the last I don't know three to five years I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► we have picked so much of the low-hanging fruit already in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► technology is that yes there there are things we can keep doing to keep making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► things better and keep uncovering new ground but I think it's getting harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► and the number of asterisks the you have to accept on everything it seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► getting larger because again like we've done so much of the easy stuff already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► and that's not to say there isn't anything left to do but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► gains are going to be harder to get so for example if we near the standard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► obviously a big sprawling feeling that hard to let me focus down for now to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► Apple product line we are now at the point where the hardware is so capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► that we are mostly used limited by like dumb physical attributes how big are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► willing to make the thing so that we could have a screen is big enough to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► or talk show or keyboard it's big enough to actually used I think what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► seeing is like once we start pushing the boundaries of well what if we want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► more on our I've had sore but what if you want to make our laptops even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► smaller an even lighter what we want to compute on our wrists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► we keep having to a disastrous like in order to compute and our wrists we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► to have this weird the computer which is weird interface on it that can do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► things but is really slow and is kinda nice for something but has to recover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► and reliable and and it's always weird stuff will be seen with laptops is w you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► want to push it so small and so light and so thin that now it has to be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► slow and we have to get rid of all the ports which do occasionally come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► handy and also the keyboard has to be here is really controversial very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► ultra-thin design that has a lot of problems for a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► and with the iPad pro this is this amazing device for people who do work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► their iPad but it's so big that you can I can't hold it like you used to hold an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► iPad and you might not be able to you know do a lot of things that other iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► can do very easily with it because it's so big and so we're starting to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► these areas in which that we're just hitting tradeoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► left and right like everything has asked to respond at everything has exceptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► in the olden days we would have a smaller number of of more generalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► products you know you'd you'd have a Mac and whether you got like an iBook or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► paramount g5 they could do roughly the same kinds of things it would just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► to know how fast you want how much space you need that kind of stuff now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► getting these products that are that are differentiated not by like minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► suspected that but by like massive differences in how they can be used what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► they can do what they can't do or what they're really you know difficult to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► with and so it just seems like we're fragmenting everything in the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► were like we're starting a lot of things with with a weird one point was we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► ignoring a lot of other things that's too much to manage the old and boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► stuff is so if there is a lot being lost here and now to the point where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► have to like struggle to figure out how to do basic things on the newest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► hardware that we have that we were able to on computers years ago because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► news hardware so much better in certain ways it's really compelling the carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► to use whatever I feel like we are now at a point where there are there are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► many tradeoffs being made to achieve what we think is next to achieve what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1599">TS</a>]
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00:26:58 ◼ ► baked and were seeing weird products like these weird like laptop tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► hybrid that that are trying to cross these lines and kind of not doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► great job of it oftentimes and and I don't know it it feels like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► lot of weirdness and the product line is a lot more saying no to two things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► products rather than like you know before you buy a computer and anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► you can do in the computer you can do a computer before now that's no longer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► case in your smartphone's you go and you buy the iPhone and you have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► smartphone period that was it now that it isn't so simple anymore now do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► also want an iPad or not you also want to watch or not there's there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► variation now and in some way that's good even specialized you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► amazing hardware for certain rules but in so many other ways we are forced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► make all these tradeoffs that we didn't have to make before and anyway this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► all very very long and rambling but getting back to it the reason why I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► criticizing stuff when I when I want when I feel it's warranted that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► I feel like it's it's important is because this is where I do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► that this is this is my life is my hobby this is my work this my career I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► everything everything I do I do with Apple products with my computer with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► my phone like with all the stuff when anything about them gets worse or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► the future of and it's called into question i dont wanna like go to desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► Linux or Windows like this is where I get my work done so I get very defensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► of them and when I see Apple's patent themselves very thin trying to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► these different than the strengths figure out what the next version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► computing is so they can dictate that and a known that and and figure that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► I'm sitting here with my personal computing that has worked great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► decades and I i can I get a little defensive of it and I and I get worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► when the stuff I use becomes less reliable or less good or stops working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► at the expense of trying to push forward this this new world here that i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► is really trying to like it it's like it's like trying to extract oil shale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► you know it's like we should be put on the easy oil back forever ago now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► have to get all these weird election stuff I don't know this is a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► around the argument I should cut this entire thing what do you guys think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► mean is there anything to him saying here and I just totally lost or old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► a new thought technology is not new ones that technology we already have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► need to be applied in new context and this is this going more medicine maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► you are but if you ever find yourself thinking or saying anything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► know that people have been thinking or saying for the entire recorded history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► of humanity doesn't mean that you're wrong or that you're right but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► mean that you have to remember to sort of check yourself by saying all right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► know just to give an example I know for a fact that people are always saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► kids these days that every generation thinks that the kids are like lazier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► than they are right when I was a kid I learned had you know to latin school the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► kids these days don't and whatever like we all know that right and so if we ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► find ourselves saying you know is a true I'm out of touch know it's the children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► who are wrong if we find ourselves saying that because we know that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► always say that we check ourselves and say okay doesn't mean that I'm wrong it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► could be the kids these days do have a problem and whatever but I have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► skeptical and have that feeling because there's a reason everyone always said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► that gets old and the kids and can't do things differently than they do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► the kids are lazy and not as good as they were and shit and they had a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► to the kids like we all know that one there is an equivalent you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► repeating thought or historical fact or sort of feeling about the world in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► different context and you Marco I think I have it on one of them witches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► computing is to be simpler we had PCs and even the smartphones be as smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► phones in there was one of them and it was the best known and whatever else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► were inherent in that device it didn't matter because there was no other i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► phone you get because that was the iPhone and PCs in general purpose there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► was a long period of time where into the PC just got faster and better more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► memory more CPU more discs and laptops got smaller but not so small that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► start outside improvises and they got faster and better and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► black-and-white to color screens and like it was just such a logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► progression and part of the reason it seemed normal was because we were in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► growing up during that time and anything that happens when you going out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► the old saying I think it's Douglas Adams or somebody or whatever technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► exists when you're born you think it's normal whatever technology is invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► before you're 30 you think is great in anything about that after thirty think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► it's unnatural domination alright so you're getting is totally real but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► because everybody always has that feeling every generation before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► everything whether it's the automatic transmission or the wheel or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► horseless carriage or television versus radio or radio versus going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► theater or the masses not in Latin anymore whatever it is or the amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► variety of clothes that we have to choose from when I was a boy we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► have one pair of pants and one shirt like you have to reexamine their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► everything you're feeling about this in the context of your own life and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► own progression through this and it's like is this a natural part of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► older or is it a natural part of a market getting older because like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► markets are maturing kind of stayed the same like for example mechanical watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► not emotion there just bashing moving back and forth and some markets are much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► more dynamic like technology they're changing all the time and I guess that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► doesn't mean you're wrong about you know Apple being in a period where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► like either overextended or doing weird things are making different tradeoffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► are perhaps not picking the best balance of the product line especially as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► you're concerned or whatever but it does mean that at the very least every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► you have these feelings just like if you had the feeling about the kids these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► days you have to examine in a context honestly and even if you examine at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► very least Voice the fact that you know this is that the shade it could be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► could be that you're totally misleading yourself or whatever and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► will go a long way towards getting to the heart of what is really going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► because the feeling is real like the feeling is a hundred percent real but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► it's when you draw from that feeling of the conclusions that you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► careful especially especially and I'm getting back to visit specifics more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► when in the case of Apple you find your way through a series of logical leaps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► some sort of maliciousness or bad motivation whether it be greed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► you know whatever it may be because most of the time as we all know like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► it's very easy to jump to conclusions about you know melissa has been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► is just an unfortunate series of events or progress not actually made for you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► you don't have all the information available all those other explanations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► because you know in the grand scheme of things Apple is not a super evil company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► and it's true that you can have a company called really good people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► nevertheless does things that are bad but we all know abalone enough that I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► really have a hard time believing the the most craving theories about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► Apple does anything especially without in any actual evidence of then it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► like this is the type of thing they do because I'm mad about the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► product lines are changing and getting even more specific I think with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► tradeoffs in the products like a big is a natural diversification of this type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► of fraud just like any other business where you start with something simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► even just the Model T two comes in one color look at the variety of crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► things we have now did you see them was it the not the m6 this 6 x6 M at the M [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► version of the stupid ex BMW 1602 1603 second it's like a it's like an SUV that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2092">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► as fast as as it just doesn't make any sense of the car like they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► completely nonsensical things it's like oh I liked it better when we just saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► the Model T and I was the card you can get you can get a Panamera you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► that I saw the x6 M you can get a Miata with the Fiat body on that I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► can get all manner of crazy things in cars and it's like it was much simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► just like one or two cars it was but this is not the market goes on outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► now to pick which trails taiwan don't want any manner to have to get this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► but I can't find as many kids in it but then this has seats but they're small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► back seat but doesn't this fascist car it's like yeah that's just the natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► progression of any market it's going to spread like that and it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► uncomfortable because we were used to especially in such a weird period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► time only grew up hearing computers that when they were based in the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► better every year it was just such a clean wind it would be nice if things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► continue that way nice in terms of our comfort but probably not the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► to do for the market anyway I'm not this is not a that this is not to dismiss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► your Chris isn't as I have Chris's he's up to we all do only to make a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► on how how I think we all have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► look at the things that are legitimate upsetting us about technology prize in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► the grand scheme of things again but the technology products that were thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► about inviting him to use them for your work and it does have an effect on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► an actual real effect is not all academic and there's nowhere else to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► like well you don't know that because you just try that Froyo Android can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► awesome I'm something more on the desktop like you could be right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► they can't even say what does 10 10 10 might be good Casey likes of the Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► you can put them on the side of the screen and when I mean I i think for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► first of all I think you're right I mean this is this is why everyone loves you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► because you're able to see through all of our emotions and and BS arguments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► and and call it what it is so I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► emotions are real comeback ever shows a series of erotic references insensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► references that you don't get emotions are real like it's not it's not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► it's not to say that like oh dismissed the emotion like those are real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► your feelings are real and legitimate and I much validates them right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► like what you how you act on them and what conclusions you might grow and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► I'm saying is to be skeptical when those thoughts fall into common patterns that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► we know economy doesn't mean they're wrong it just means like use that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► tool to churn through no I mean that's fair I i think part of what I'm feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► is that I really do think Apple has more quality problems now than they used to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► really do think that they are spread more thinly needs to be and I really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► think that their new products are not nearly as big hits or as clean of wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► as their previous products but also it's it's that you know as you mentioned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► used to be so much simpler you know it for a while there I I would get excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► about almost anything Apple did because almost anything they did was potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► for me whereas now like you know right now everything's all all hyped up about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► I've had perot and the Apple TV crews the newest things and the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► products I use like the biggest most powerful most expensive desktops and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► biggest laptops don't get updated very frequently in meaningful ways the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► Pro hardly ever get stalked the 15 inch MacBook Pro is actually due for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► update pretty soon with sky lake and I'm sure they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► get thinner and lighter and with less battery life and everything and that'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► be fine and I'll probably buy one eventually so you know the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► product that that that I liked just kind of out of the PR cycle right now and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► the kinds of products like the iPad is very frustrating to me because I have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► I always want to really get into the iPad and just never it just never sticks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► from you never can can do what I need to do on it and I hear other people able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► incredibly awesomely freely work on their iPad pros and get most most or all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► of their worked on the iPad and I feel like I'm living in honor of the plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► here because I I just can't do that I'm afraid of you know the time being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► old fogey hears you get overrun by these young people using iPads and and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► able to I don't know a lot about me with their wonderful big light aircraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► carriers that are the joint iPad but I think back to in in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► there's sorry for the long long with a most unexpected but you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► back to a time in college I had a professor who still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► Gregory Katz hammer at Allegheny College I noticed his office that he was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► desktop Linux and asked him like you know why don't why don't you use Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► why why using Linux to do all this stuff you know why why are you not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/2369">TS</a>]
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00:51:49 ◼ ► that they that they that they need access to be built on they are all made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► with the possible exception of Amazon cuz they're just horrible but other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► companies try to attract developers to their platform they tend to make things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► nicer for developers they tend to actively recruit developers and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► really really hard to get developers to their platforms Apple trustees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► developers their platforms the way New York rescue people to move here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► like they just like just barriers and brick walls and and taxes and down some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► like Apple basically says please don't bear be a developer here because for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► iPhone they didn't they didn't have to go out and beg developers to come for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► their platform developers were not in the door down and Apple has been able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► to to be carried by that all this time that attitude of like of being of the be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► in the maxim position of power not needing to really be nice for developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► to it to work with at all for the iPhone but for their other platforms they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► having these problems the other platforms developers are noting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► doors down and I feel like Apple doesn't really know how to manage that situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► they don't even know how to attract developers who don't already want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► there they certainly are not set up for it with the store or developer relations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► or any of these departments that that so far have not really need to do this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► least in the last decade and I i feel like they don't even know how to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► this problem and and part of it is not their problems all part of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► problem of like well they got a you know get more of these devices out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► get people to buy more apps on them but a big part of it is like Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► the app stores themselves and the after policies are all really fighting against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► developer adoption is new platform so I feel like this is one major way in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► Apple is stumbling now and and I don't see an end in sight to the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► currently do developer relations and the app stores and so therefore I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► think the Apple TV and the water gonna really do well apple pies and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► worried about the iPad pro once once the current like newness of it dies down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► just probably gonna be like six months no one that I worry about the health of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► the software ecosystems on these platforms it seems like Apple does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► know how to manage that we feel ok about the iPad I think because like big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► picture type stuff from 1984 or not use max apple deputies before that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► everything there is an overall arc choose marketed talked about like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► you know personal computers became a thing in my lifetime anyway and for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► while they had a steady stream of improvements obvious improvements to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► basic form called the personal computer and roundabouts the time laptop started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► to become a thing that one solid for mattress base of the keyboard a box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► monitor plus or minus the monitor being connected the box or whatever and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► floppy disks yeah well that that sort of became more diverse that the tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► started to sprout branches and getting more brain cheer as we go here so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► that's diversify so there is that overall but still within that overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► arc that he said this the ups and downs of Apple the ups and downs of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► industry lots of other things going around have you seen more than one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► those cycle it starts to not feel as panicking and you can say well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► isn't as bad as it was when I go back came out and was better than every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► computer in the world and nobody bought it certainly didn't have that problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► the iPhone and the iPad but really but I think you should feel good about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► iPad for example is we ought to be between recently couple days ago about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► these stories of like elementary school teachers in computer lab having the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► young kids coming to computer labs and be throwing the mice around cuz they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► no idea what they were right because this is a generation of children that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► brought up with phones that are like the iPhone and with tablets and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► these kids even if there was a PC in their house with a mouse that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► have probably had never had any occasion to use it had no attraction to it were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► you know we're asking to grab their parents iPhone to play games on it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► they didn't have one of their own and if they were lucky enough to have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► hand-me-down iPad or some kind of tablet wouldn't do stuff on that the personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► computer as a thing to to the upcoming generation is indeed any examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► because like they did NBC was probably a laptop and probably had a trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► another thing that's not amount so it doesn't really matter in the grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► generational scheme of things if this entire generation thinks of it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► think of computers or basically thinks of them as tablets and doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► Apple's gonna win the market for tablets but it does mean that every every kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► born into a world where they touch screens on their phones and tablets are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► they do everything has no attachment to the PC is that thing they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► you know when there are no professor they're gonna be like I was impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► you have this stupid tabloid lead touch on your thing I wanted to use of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► headset is like I get my work done in this tablet because like why we use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► head somewhere else use this template using a tablet examples I'm just taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► things that have to be can relate to that the job of the company like a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► long time help the company is a try to figure out what the next thing is and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► there and Apple did a pretty good job that doesn't mean I was going to win the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► future so lucky enough to both invent the future with the iPhone say hey guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► this is what a smartphone should be like there is like no you're totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and then here we are today and they still did well Apple essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► invented the the future as we know it like this it looks like we've got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► doing all this stuff and they more or less popularized that but didn't win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► that market someone else came to get those are great ideas now Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► Microsoft but we'll take those and run with it and we're going to do better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► than every other ways you're going to be a footnote in that race so I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► all these markets you talked about for like selling up to the iPad now is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► pro gonna do has a television and do whatever I think the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► thing is to make sure that Apple is wherever these various markets are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► growing TV that boxes are thinking a little behind their stuff to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► are things that made them a thing mostly because I made the smartphone thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► Apple is also there and it's kind of still in the race so i'm not i'm not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► really pessimistic about these things because Apple may not be the clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► winner in all these categories but it is reasonably well positioned and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► historically speaking is whenever here Apple fans start to talk like Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► bands of older think like it the old deal Microsoft phantom when Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► ruled the world and apples a footnote and windows everywhere and and PC was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► just plain old PC and that will never change in Microsoft would live forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► there was a mindset that any market makers of vendor they would when and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► microsemi center every market and that's unhealthy thinking like the iPhone as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► phenomenal success and then it's like well if they if they if interested TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► market the assumption is they wanted to be a successful as the iPhone not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► monetarily but you know in terms of like it is as successful of all the TV boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► next best one everyone agrees and they sell out of them and make a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► that they need to do to be the leader in that market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► be the best and then it needs to be super successful and it's impossible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► do that but it doesn't mean Apple shouldn't be in those markets oh ok for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► Apple to enter market or dip is still in the market or noodle around the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► for a long time like the TV boxes for that matter because it's important for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► them to be there to figure out what that's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► and try to improve and try to be well position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► and if and when something takes off which lab also said to be our thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► do what they're making a car but i dont i dont get bent out of shape thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► about it's a real problem if people don't make lots of water out maybe watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► ups as we as they're currently conceptualized are not even worth doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► in which case it would like what are you winning is like a Pyrrhic victory you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► in the top of a little tiny hill like we are the king of watch out seems like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► one cares about watching not important to you it's a waste of time like don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► oh wow the markets to be what they're going to be in particular the TV at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► I think about is is that a place where people make software and sell it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► money that's a model that has worked on the App Store on the PC before but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► television I think of all the apps that I use in its like I pay money to Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► and Netflix need to have an Apple TV Apple money for the Netflix app I pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► money to HBO HBO needs to have apathy but I don't pay money for the HBO let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► you know anything about you or something that just has to be there but it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► situation which someone right software and sells it to me for money it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► merely just a way to receive the content that I pay a subscription for alina mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► that is kinda how every game console works though you know why am I telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► you that does Apple have to try to compete with game consoles like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► they're figuring that like is this the future of gaming or is it not the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► of gaming if it is Apple's reasonably positioned if it's not that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► you know if traditional console model is still has like that Apple doesn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► to compete then and why would Apple that is an old model that works but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► certainly not like the future right so anyway I i think im just more chill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► about these things and I don't see every move that Apple makes into a new market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► is like a desperate ploy and that I must be down on it if it's not successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► because almost nothing is going to be as accessible as the iPhone almost nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► is going to be successful as a PC conceptually not the Mac specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► but the PC was an amazing success Apple denied Sharon most success but how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► how often you get the things you get the PC automobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► movable-type got the wheel you've got the smartphone like we don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► is gonna be tablets could just be an extension of the smartphone maybe var [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► then maybe it's not I don't know but I'm fine with Apple making a TV box that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► hopefully is a decent TV box I would've been fine with the making a DVR but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► never did because they don't love me you know I'm I think I think it's you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► have to my kind of fighting inside the expectation that used to run Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► that they have whenever they did they had to be the winner and had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► awesome and had to be great like the Steve Ballmer gogogo type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► Microsoft found the limits that Microsoft found that eventually not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► is this next thing you're not going to be the next big thing like pen computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► for Windows where they were doing like not only are we not going to be speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► to our computers as the main form of input in 2001 as Bill Gates might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► been surviving at some point in the past not only will you know whatever market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► Microsoft things like the Xbox be like the future of entertainment all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► three successful as far as those things but there will be a big thing Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► smartphones and it will lose it will lose big it will have been there before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► everybody else and it will not only not win but it would just be a footnote like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► you know Windows stone right and that's that's what comes from expecting every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► single thing you do to that we're going to need them but you start to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► you're entitled to believe all we all my customers do is introduce a product in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► this category and we will be down and we will win and if we make up a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► category like competing with a pen that will be the next big thing is our CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► says it is and when it's not will keep making new version a new version a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► version and it'll be like understand what's going on here and then someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3833">TS</a>]
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01:06:49 ◼ ► will save it for follow-up maybe we'll get feedback from people about it later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4009">TS</a>]
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01:07:00 ◼ ► lately especially about how negative revolved then and you know it's a tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► thing right because maybe we have been a little too negative but but we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► we want to call like it's like we see it and right now this is how we see it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4029">TS</a>]
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01:07:19 ◼ ► I i intend to try to find you know the more positive side of things going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► forward but we also don't wanna not say what we think you know and and and if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► becomes a bear to listen to them and I'm sorry i genuinely am but you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► is this is what we think and you know what I think about the swift open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► thing the more I see of it the more I like it I stride nice transition there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► now be brought before we even get off the night at like that it's not a choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► between like you know I every time I get the license not about me is I had died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► saving I'm not too negative so I'm gonna be the one person will boldly say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► you're sending an email saying to negative you mean me I disagree cuz i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4074">TS</a>]
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01:08:02 ◼ ► hypercritical maybe I'm hold myself to a different standard I think I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► issue is right that the trap is basically it's not a choice between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► although I'm not going to say what I feel you know I'm just being honest or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► whatever it's all about like I said at the beginning of this whole thing is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► about it examination of you know your feelings are real and you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► examine them and examining with the lens of like could there be other really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► common reasons that I'm feeling things I'm feeling about this particular thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► that are not explained by the conclusions I would like to eat too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► because I'm defenses or upset or just turned 30 in the world is passing me by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► his children swipe their fingers on their iPad screens and I media's amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► of whatever you like it if I think most that be back is legit and its signal for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► for all of us yes even me to to just take a closer look at where where these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► things where these feelings are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► I think it because we've been super negative before it's mostly just about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► feel bad and therefore I come to this conclusion of some of it granted some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► it is people have anything bad about Apple but that they have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► things like why am I use upset when anyone says anything that out but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► schedule of appellate that's a separate issue but there's enough of it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► know this is true of anything that you're critical of whether its star wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► or apple or other things like it behooves all of us to make sure we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► not being cliche and you not react to complaints of negativity immediately by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4168">TS</a>]
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01:09:39 ◼ ► want to be honest I'm just sayin understand the truth understand the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► thing like it just to be to be self-critical like you know the greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► hypocritical always I can't do anything transition someone else can figure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► out but yeah being self-critical is perhaps the most important place of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4191">TS</a>]
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01:10:03 ◼ ► whichever one of us in the cranky mood hopefully I'll try to think about other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► ways that could be explained and so I think that's an ongoing thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► think we'll try to do better in the new year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► absolutely so swift open-source we've talked about the sum and unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4217">TS</a>]
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01:10:26 ◼ ► things we haven't but I I'm still stunned and extremely pleased with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► pretty much everything associated with this entire endeavor I cannot died I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► just can't believe that this is really what Apple is doing and just this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► craig Venter et was on the talk show which I thought was awesome and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► are some other guy on it to other than John Gruber I know who he was he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4249">TS</a>]
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01:10:58 ◼ ► conversation it didn't feel to me like like it was all just BS marketing speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► this is not unlike the conversation that that group Berhad with Phil Schiller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4264">TS</a>]
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01:11:25 ◼ ► from the community like her last name Erica Sadun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4285">TS</a>]
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01:13:08 ◼ ► first nine Chris Lattner commit with type of pics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4388">TS</a>]
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01:13:40 ◼ ► tweets about like the best Belden and ended things like that that's the spirit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4420">TS</a>]
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01:14:31 ◼ ► gonna talk about the Apache to license I'm not a connoisseur of open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► license licenses but was pointed out to me one interesting thing about apache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► other than the fact that being like a nonviolent the GPL license that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4480">TS</a>]
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01:14:47 ◼ ► doesn't open source everything that it right in swift or whatever else ever one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► particular part of it is the patent grant that basically makes it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► people covered say hey if I use swift for like whatever I'm doing I'm making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► some embedded software for like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► lights which they can wifi light switches something I want to do it do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► have to worry that Apple's gonna sue me for violating some patent or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► like that and the attitude license grants you know if you use the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► this license you know that it's legally is but each contributor hereby grants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► your perpetual worldwide non-exclusive non-transferable revocable except as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► stated in the section patent license to make have made use oversell bottle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► like everyone who contributes as baseless saying if you're contributing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► something that you have any patents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► contributor grants to you a license those patents and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► function of the end it's as if you institute patent litigation against any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► entity including a cross-claim or counterclaim lawsuit alleging that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► work or a contribution incorporated within the work constitutes a director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► contributory patent infringement than any patent licenses granted to you under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► this license shall terminate so basically if you contribute stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► interest to other people feel like hey that's my pen and work in there then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► lose all the patent protection it's basically a way to try to work around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► their stupid patent system to make people feel safer about both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► contributing to the best or whatever it things on the Apache License and and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► using it and to dissuade people from like putting a little patent time bomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► and trying to see everybody who uses because their patent things in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► that is pretty clever he's assuming that I am i understanding of it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► accurate but bottom line is that this is something that would make the Apache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► License particularly appealing to Apple and make it appealing to people who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► to contribute because you might be afraid of hurting your project to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► project run by a company that has a million patents and has litigated based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► on patents in the past Apple has alright so we did not talk about the package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► manager yeah this is a sort of a human interest story angle type things so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► don't know much about the manager of then we will put a link to ensure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► is open source and you can look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► but probably one of the developers behind it the guy who made homebrew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► package manager open source package manager for us 10 name is Max Hall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► the reason this came up in our little circles is he had some snarky tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► about Google not hiring him like he interviewed a Google and apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► google did not want him and maxed out like they didn't want him for dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► regardless of why Google didn't want him they didn't hire them and use them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► write and had him write a package manager for swift and considering hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► home brew which is pretty popular tax matter for us 10 he probably has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► significant experience writing thank you letters so hopefully he did even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► job on the second one and that like his complaint was basically like they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► me to do computer science stuff and they won't hire me even though they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► homebrew in Google I so you have your own place using my software but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► won't hire me because I can't do somewhere computer science nutrition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► thing in his perception of why he wasn't hired have always thought that that type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► of interview not Google specifically because they're hiring change over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► years and the measure with like these days but that type of hiring thing not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► the puzzle hiring but where you interview people and you want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► demonstrate their knowledge of theoretical computer science concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► this there's value in that but I feel you have to hire based on a balance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► things so maybe higher some some guy who is really strong academically in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► lot a lot of the conceptual stuff but has never really read networking program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► in his life is a well balanced like it you know he's I wouldn't he's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► great programmer and maybe the language and writing but he conceptual he knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► some really important and and heavy-duty things so that guy is the higher the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► other side of that is maybe this guy doesn't have a degree may be dropped out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► of high school for all you know but he's written he has a history of work of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► products of actual software that people use that maybe we even use that shows he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► knows how to create a good working product that people like but he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► know anything about computer science there may be that guy on bio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► unbalanced should also be higher if you just say there's a minimum barn you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► gotta know this minimum theoretical stuff and we don't care if you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► practical skill you'll end up with a bunch of like just cats wander around in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► your office thinking deep thoughts and never getting anything done and i'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► to see that Apple is hiring process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► recognized you know it obviously was so I think for different things and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► really the hiring process can be like homebrew we've heard number that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► pretty cool and then you just make sure he's not a crazy person and that he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► get along with people and that is interested in doing what you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► which may be right back in management and great you're hired so I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► is a win for Apple and Google necessarily need him to write a package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► manager for them or something but I just always that they're hiring is slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► unbalanced in terms of in again like maybe there the whole thing was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► it's worse for us to have a bad higher than to skip a good hire so maybe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► work exactly as designed and that there was a study or whatever that went around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► the web recently that one bad hires much more costly than missing out on a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► hire so that could be cool policy as well so maybe going to everybody but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► seem like a happy ending to what could have been a sad story and this guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► obviously got some skills and he found a good home in Apple did have you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► chance to look into the swift 3.0 goals because there's a whole I guess this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► a repost that is with devolution that talks about among other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► what's going to be happening with three yeah that's an ongoing thing there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► mailing list which i subscribe to and it's such high-volume that it I can't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► can't keep up with it like not only do I have that filtered somewhere but I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► subscribing to the digest version so they can handle the activity I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► thinking its gonna die down but boy yeah they're 3.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► iran oil is still up in the air people are still thinking of things people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► proposing like you know major things right now like more significant than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► getting rid of classic for lives and you know a plus + and minus minus much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► significant than most of them will not be adopted but the fact that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► that's what the discussion is the disease being entertained and discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► it a little bit scary and the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► things down more than that by now maybe we haven't maybe this is just exuberance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► activity but it's exciting to see it happening in real time and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► contribute to it if you're not a dummy like me and respond to digest version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► and forget to put the subject line and see your first post has no subject but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► that the worst I even have undo send on Gmail just a quick too long to notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► that under things went away any longer time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► old stupid but yeah like the only thing over there are hard investors like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► things they say are a legal language level concurrency not in 3.0 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► good to draw that line because that's a whole can of worms they did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► it's good to do anyway but but minor things you can see them happening in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► real time subscribe to The Mentalist and just try to read the coming up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► every day and there's a process as a proposal process this discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► everyone gets to contribute to the discussion effectively because if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► not going to implement the feature yourself not going to adopt it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► actively Apple still in charge of this whole thing it's not as if democracy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► if we all vote for some silly feature that Apple doesn't want that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► going to happen but that's the nature of open source of people if everyone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► community literally everyone in the community wants classic bartlett's backs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► Apple doesn't the community just orkut and go ahead now you are you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► developer you know you develop your four given a different name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► gonna that's the magic of open source but for now everyone seems to be singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► Kumbaya and be perfectly willing to throw a million proposals at Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► discuss them at length and then just trust that Apple is going to pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► one that is both things are useful and have reasonable support and hear more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► John talking like this I have to say yes everybody listen to the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► episode from this past week featuring craig Venter ed and our friend John here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► is obviously like you know if it was big news but honestly John I thought your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► segment was really really great you really really killed it so good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► there and I definitely recommend for our listeners if you are interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► swift being open source you must listen to that episode of the talk show it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► long but it is worth it helps if your programmer because I sometimes feel bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► when I go up not even john is an hour but like you know it was an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► about swept indeed anything else about swift open source saying that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► like to discuss tonight it would you like to hold off for another day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► now some of his aging like I would say if you want to still keep up on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► will just do subscribe to the mailing list you know it's the best like it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► insane amount of activity if you have any interest at all in may feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► know drinks from fire hoses the other thing you can do is subscribe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► people's blogs like Eric had a post about like here's the interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► that happened on the list this week you know her opinion like then you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► have to read 2000 messages someone smart will just pick up the things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► actually interesting and you can kind of get a summary like even that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► the cool features of the Pearl $5 which are actually surprisingly active given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► the popularity of these days but even that is too much to go through we wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► something like ten or fifteen people talking back and forth to have weekly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► summaries here's what happened in profile for us this week and just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► of a summary of the of you know of everything literally just the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► and so if you can handle two million but the people in the mailing list that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► contributing the most probably have blogs subscribe to their blogs and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► you'll get one step removed today makes it exciting times thats West an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► and bring it back around a little bit 20 percent earlier like you know as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► Apple is so big and so now sprawling and and as they keep doing things that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► have have kind of a mixed appeal to people like us or at least to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► something they do I'm really into and a lot of things they do I'm really not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► you know as as this happens and as as we see them stumble here in there and as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► see things that aren't as good as they should be here and there it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► easy to get really negative stuff and I really kind of fighting that for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► and trying to figure out how to reverse that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► that negativity in me and in in the way I feel about it though a talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► and I think one way to do it than that I really want to focus more on is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► even though the company is really big and they do some pretty crappy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► here and there in my opinion there are areas like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► areas with the swift open sourcing that's going on now where they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► are doing really great things and and even if over time those areas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► they're doing great work in become a smaller proportion of the of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► they do is in the way that I care about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► the fact is they are still doing a lot of really good stuff like that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► know I can I say this on my 05 ke iMac from last year that I absolutely love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► using an OS that I absolutely love that I get all my work done on and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► want to change so you know there is a lot of good there and I think the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► forward in in trying to mature in my discussion about this and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► minimize negativity unnecessarily is really just to to find the positives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► because they are there I completely agree one final debate on speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► the positive it's about sweat this is a treat from Danny greg has you kinda love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► the swift team referenced tweets in their source this is the exact opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► of radar or gtfo its claim that is credited with it but say one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► matches from Apple many years in the past and today to some degree the well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► is so you can assign a person W are you seeing you like there's a bug in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► API irresponsible the whatever library when you do this with the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► library this thing happens or whatever in Apple people would say you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► file a radar you can't just tell me you can't just like shout at me in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► hallway and tell me that if you passed know who this parameter crashes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► you have to follow read about how we track things that's a bug tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► system and the swift approach to this is someone to eat something and someone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► the 15 sees the Tweed and I guess they make the radar they had the bug tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► issue or whatever and then when they fix it in the source code they reference the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► about this crash sure so that's what they're saying it would denigrate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► this week the best like if you look at the Swiss source code you will find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► links to tweets saying this is why we know about this bug this person tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► this and then we might have fixed it was just totally the opposite of you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► go to Apple's official bug tracker and follow radar it's useless even talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► to me and both are good advice like you can't really tell people the Honda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► expects them to you wanna if you want to work in the city within the system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► on the other hand swift the 15th so engaging the community that they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► they're stealing in people's tweets about these things and they see it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► have got a crash on this whenever they will know and I guess they added to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► their own bug tracker or whatever you know paste the link between to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► source code remind them later to click on that link to go back into the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► said they had this thing and follow up with them or whatever is total community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► engagement always down to the level of representing referencing tweet that led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► to bug fixes which is fascinating from the perspective of a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► popularized the term radar GTFO I think we're good they said 43 sponsors this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► Squarespace Melrose and automatic and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin as it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5350">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► damn car's name is the x6 and the stimulators it's not the MCX 6 a.m. and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► the x6 M because the exits in the car in this and the Ember not the M Sport but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► the actual em so it isn't am car but it's not an M card is the M's at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► anyway 3.7 seconds to 60 3.7 seconds to 64 basically an SUV look at this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► it's like making it it's like making a hippo dance like it's just amazing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► you can do it like and the car driver review of the shootout between these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► cars like this one and whatever the mercedes one is it was like these car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► shouldn't even existed unholy that they're able to make the public but why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► like it's fascinating I guess but no one should ever by these cars they make no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► sense and it defies the laws of physics that like you make us think honor this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3654">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► flat and go this fast like going through Sloan cones and doing like handling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► things and shape the center like a Jeep Cherokee with a little bit lower hood is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► what what a whirlwind case you want someone else he would like the American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► version better prolly but it is way too good looking for cases on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► exact the hideous I know this is too early for me to ever Jerome area comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► in white guy he so much although I do love you John for knowing the very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► nuanced difference between an M Sport car in an actual M car how could I not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► how could I not spend enough time with us to knuckleheads and I don't blame you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► and Carly to do since we've already open the neutral door I drove a Tesla yes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► tell us about that dear friend of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► underscore David Smith has quietly bought his family a Tesla Model S a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► ninety and he he and his family visited this past weekend very very briefly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► swinging through Richmond he took me for a ride and I know this is not the David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► Smith that I met a few years back because we got to the end of my road and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► at the end of the road that my house is on it teason to a pretty big road I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► don't remember the exact words that were used but something along the lines of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► came from underscores mouth and you have to understand kids that underscore used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► to drive a Corolla and although it was his idea for mark when I to join him at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► the two-day am driving school I think he was the least aggressive of the three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► us is effort to say no easily and next thing I know he's saying to me are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► ready and then he stands on the gas will make a 90 degree turn on the gas sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► the throttle tapers off TV so I can watch it later I don't even know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3771">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► to go from here but anyway so he took at first he demonstrated autopilot which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► was fascinating and petrifying he drove reasonably briskly which made me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► happy I cannot even begin to describe it and then we got back we went on like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► literally five to ten minute loop which involved a little bit of kurds a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► bit of travel on highway and then a little bit of just like regular surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► roads and then he offered for me to drive and do you basically the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► same circuit first impressions the car doesn't creep when you come off the gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► however there is a setting which is extremely weird and no I believe they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► well I don't know if it's creep mode I see what your saying that I didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► it at first but a good name for those you really don't want that on right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► exactly in the funny thing was underscored said to be well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► this is gonna be more like your car which doesn't really creeped when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► come off the brake which generals true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► but my brain was an automatic mode where if you come off the brake you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► to move forward and it didn't take long for me to get used to the cream not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► being there but was peculiar because my brain had to like balance this threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► between driving a stick and driving automatic which is very peculiar he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► spent a long time and i genuinely glad he did explaining to me how freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► weird regenerative braking is and you know what it's freaking weird that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► option to buy the way you can turn off the one foot driving mode but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► stupid because you don't turn it off to get used to it yeah you can turn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► yeah I was about to say just like market estate you know you can also turn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► down I think it was resetting it soft medium and high or something along those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► the funny thing is like it was really easy for me to drive Tesla's because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► cart with the DCT doesn't creep that's true and it has so much engine vacuum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► when you let off the gas that it really pulls you back almost like regenerative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► braking so in in the settings you were using it actually feels a lot like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► car that's when you're doing that you're not getting any gas back from this break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► we're expensive breaks yeah that's right what's the countdown for months or so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► we eventually take off and and i got you know halfway down my little neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► street and I got going just just a hint to quickly so I could feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► regenerative braking and it is weird man it's not that terribly dissimilar from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► driving a Wrangler at speed where if you take your foot off the gas you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► suddenly kind of stopped but the difference here again is instead of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► being because there's so much wind resistance against this rolling box in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► this case it's because you're saying John you are actually recovering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► electricity which is really cool and so what ended up happening was it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► take me too long to as one of you just said Dr with basically only one foot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► it's weird I liked it was kind of a fun game but it is weird that being said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► eventually got onto a larger road and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► you know kind of creeping a little bit and then I stood on the accelerator or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► throttle if you will and by god the closest thing I can the closest analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► I can make is imagine a turbocharged cars like mine or like Marcos where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► you're in a relatively low gear at reasonably quick speed so say I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► like 2nd gear like fifty or sixty miles an hour so if I stand on the gas at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► point presumably the turbo is already providing boost and if I stand on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► gas I'm gonna go and I wanna go with the quickness well a relative quickness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► given that I'm burning did dinosaurs this thing however felt like that from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► stop from any speed from any speed there was instant infinite power and the 9th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► ed as I said to Marco after I drove it it is sufficiently fast now as I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► said to Marco I'm not used to Marco being satisfied with sufficient it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► sufficiently fast told you so it is it is absolutely true I still think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► gonna get the performance version but it is sufficiently fast thanks and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► decided this week but I'm getting really so it just just looking at the figures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► today like should I just go performance anyway and thinking I still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► probably not but I was tempted I just just to let you know I will get what one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► thing that I learned while browsing around their forums which I have seen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► lot of Internet communities it might in my time so far and the Tesla forums are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► not among the most hopeful that I have seen but one thing that I learned from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► these random strangers of very mixed credibility and relevance skills and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► writing skills on a page that loads incredibly slowly because what year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► anyway on the official forums I learned that apparently there the quoted range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► that you get goes down pretty hard over time it says you lose like three to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► sounds like a lot and like like the range of free to go from 85 to 90 D is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► only six percent and the difference between the the non P and the PC version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► in battery is something like twenty percent so it's actually it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► big difference and so i i wonder you know i i think maybe I really might want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► the maximum range and to not get the PC version if for no other reason which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► store of everything but if for no other reason than to really maximize my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► initial range because I'm not even be getting that in like two years you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► but the myself more padding on the Rings take their naps during the battery swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► for $99 lithium-ion batteries that just like the one you're gonna get crap here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► as he is I'm you know it's funny you bring that up because he played a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► of interesting points the first thing he said was you know if you were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► buy one which I'm not but if you're going to buy one in three years too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► money if it was if it was affordable hey whatever happened I was trading my car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► ready same thing about Apple products same thing on the list slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► expensive than the average car than a Mac is the average pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► thank you john in terms of terms of absolute values if not percentage amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► of three comes right so we'll see but anyway he made an interesting point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► which was the way this technology is an end with the way the batteries are it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► would probably be a pretty dumb idea to purchase one rather than least one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► I've never had elisa my life and they seem in a lot of ways like a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► waste of money to me but I think he's probably right in this case that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► seems like it would be silly to purchase a car where when you fill the tank so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► speak in three or four years you will not be able to fill it as high as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► were once able to when it was new to remember the the plan for the quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► charge stations that instead of the supercharger they would take the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► I don't know if that's the thing anymore but I do remember that plan and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► wouldn't be a new one it would just be a different one gets its like any propane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► cylinders at the hardware store you might get a new one but chances are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► hitting someone's old rusty one yeah I mean that the majority of the cost of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► the car he says that big battery and so there's no avoiding the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► they're gonna get older they gonna get trapped here and yet at least three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► starts to make sense in that scenario but promised them when the lease is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► least another one like they're not gonna yes there's going to be a secondary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► market for them but at a certain point the battery is crap like you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► we have been around long enough to get you find some Tesla Roadster and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► like other test test the road to choose out there that just no one wants because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► it's like it's like selling a car with it was seized engine that gets fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► you just need a new engine its $100,000 battery pack this this is not a car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► I would want to own outright just because it is changing so much still we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► still have the Model S has only been around for what three or four years so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► like it has been out walking right so we don't really know what the used market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► is like when they get at least residual they really are discounted guessing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► so by leasing you're putting the risk on Tesla not on you and I think for for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► product this young with advancing so quickly plus like that they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► advancing the features and and the product line and the hardware the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► in the car wake you know in six months after I get mine there's gonna be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► massive new feature the my car can do they're gonna wat you know because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► keep they make things so quickly it isn't even on a yearly schedule they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► every four months we just knew new features new changes and some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► are software that that that the previous Carson get and some of them aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► it really is updated as often as like a computer is updated with new features a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► new capabilities in new hardware and so do you really wanna be using a six year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► old one but maybe not you know if you care about all the cool new stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► keep adding I i think at least really does make a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► and especially for a car that's this young and its development cycle for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► industry that this young with the out the whole car industry you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► don't know what it's going to be like in three years you don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► market for these cars will be like in three years and how easy it will be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► sell one you know it's or what long-term Eaton's might cost you know all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► are still sucks unknowns that leasing makes a lot of sense yeah I agree the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► other interesting point that that underscore made and I didn't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► was the thing but apparently whatever flavor battery is in the Tesla it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► understood that charging it only to about eighty or ninety percent of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► is better for the battery then charging it all the way to a hundred percent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► so apparently what you can do is you can say to the car you know what generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► speaking just charged 80 percent it's out there I'm just gonna be around town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► its fine and then you can like requester or tell it to do a full max range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► charged in the instances here about to go on like a roadtrip fascinating is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► extension of the BMW's where you have settings every possible thing like Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► it's also exciting all the way down computers and electronics like they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► taken to today BMW's sounds like everyday worries taking to like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► things you can adjust the other cars you can adjust in the BMW but but something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► you can't just that all right and like everything up for grabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► maybe if you want me to turn the steering also left the wheels go right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► it's probably not that one but they could probably do against its electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► it's ridiculous that the touch screen in center usually just what the screen off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► just visually having a 17 inch monitor in the center of the car looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► ridiculous and I hated however it did not take long for me to start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► appreciate what that affords you having this humongous screen inside of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► like having a navigation screen dad is a mammoth being able to go to pain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► you can split in half so that the thing is mounted in portrait orientation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► you can split it in half so you have like a top half or bottom half and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► you wildly different things on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► I thought the touch screen was reasonably responsive I didn't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► was bad I thought it was aesthetically sufficient I wouldn't say it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► great but it was ok my understanding is they recently did a quote unquote Iowa 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► update and before that it looked to really dated from what I've been told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► yes but this one i mean seemed fine I can i still can't get over how quick it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► was from any speed instant it was like getting it was like one of those linear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► induction roller coasters at any speed instant power I did briefly tried the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► autopilot really weird really really weird not bad weird but really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► David said that if you leave your hands off the wheel for an extended length of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► time it gets progressively more angry about that fact and I believe he said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► will eventually pull the car over and get put on the emergency flashers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► assuming that you've liked at some sort of medical emergency or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► but it was very cool but very very weird and it was unbelievably cool to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4553">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► see even when I wasn't an autopilot mode just because of the light proximity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► awareness what was going on around me it would actually show an icon of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► in front of me on the dashboards not like the specific make and model of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► car but I got representative this there is a car in front of you and it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► similarly I see where you are in the lane and in so it kind of gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► constant bird's eye view of where you are within the land which was very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► interesting I loved it I thought it was extremely cool I won't say it utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► ruined my car but if I were to buy a car tomorrow and I could afford one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► I would absolutely do that instead of any sort of petrol gasoline car I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► got to the point that I started to think to myself you know me instead of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► an error in an SUV that our model yes it does hold more it has that front trunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4613">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and she looked at me and was like not happening but I I loved it I absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► loved it I thought it was extremely cool and it seems clear to me that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► the future but the future it's a president my neighborhood they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► most common rich person car but they're pretty close they're just everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► it's worth I have seen a noticeable uptick in the in the in like just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► last three months around here to like I'm guessing going although drive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► I bet that help them tremendously in the Northeast I really like now I really am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► seeing them all over the place it's I just don't even know what to say it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► just so you know it was is I've become very spoiled by my car because my car in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► this is not unique to BMW's but I do think it's you need to luxury cars it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► just built well he has had problems yesterday almost exploded a few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► back it's had its share of problems but when it's running properly which is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► often than not it just is so well built it just feels so solid it just feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► right in this car the Tesla Model S felt the same way I didn't miss that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► sturdiness of it at all whereas when I tried various mazda6 which is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► great car little old now 2007 but it's a great car and I really like her car it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► just not built the same way it's not built as sturdy as like a deal German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► boat of a car is and this is built just as sturdy I loved it the iPhone app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► definitely has a bunch of problems but the fact that you can do so much me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► iPhone app you can open the sunroof you can turn on the air conditioning you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► tell it to charge you can see what the charge is it was incredible 11 we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► plugged it into my house it like sorta trickle charge for a little bit to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► to decide whether or not my electricity coming out of the house was sufficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► enough to do you like a full-bore charge and then it eventually ramped up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► things like to answer something that I forget exactly what it was but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► eventually wrapped itself up to like I'm going to charge myself as quickly as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► possibly can from a traditional electrical outlet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► just everything about it was so cool and so well done and it doesn't mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► doesn't have problems but it was so cool and so well done and so clearly are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► nerds automobile I want I want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► yeah I really am here to keep talking underscore in seeing what he thinks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► know long-term and you know what they like I heard I talked to a friend in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► neighborhood who just got one and I think he probably has similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► sensibilities as me with this sort of thing and and and he said he loves it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► but it is a car made by tech people and it has like you know bugs and software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► updates so you have to look you know you're setting yourself up for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► that that aside it is really nice and it comes with the up sides of that as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► you know if the frequent updates and adding stuff after the fact I mean my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► car has gained nothing I bought it except for some things start to work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► lil bit worse over time but my car is not getting a single new feature since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► bought it whereas I Tesla's get updated over the air and they get new stuff all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► the time so that's interesting and I might not always want that there might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► be some times where drives me nuts when it when it doesn't do what I want her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► when I when I wanted more conservative but I think overall it's probably a net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► win so I guess we'll see what happens I mean you know we could be looking back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► on this episode in you know three years when you have already bought one my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► lease is about to end and I'm ranting about how much I hate all these dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► software bugs and everything we looking back on it and laughing but at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► moment I think it sounds like an OK tradeoff overall and and to get a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► that's over all that good I think it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► one final note while thinking of it I was utterly baffled with what to do when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► we got back to the house and I parked the car the gear shift is on the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► hand side its atomic column and that was pretty self explanatory heck it's a hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► of a lot better than BMW automatics not the DCT is with the automatics DCT there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► believe me even weirder I mean like so ok we turn the car on a start and park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► as far as I know when to shift out of park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► I don't think there's a way to get it back into park without turning the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► off there is on the automatic I can't speak for the DCT areas you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► it's the disease are totally different for some reason and it is so strong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► the automatic our view of modern automatics are themselves incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► like an intuitive and a weird and just messed up the DCT is also just as weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► but it's all different interesting it's very strange I guess if the paddles not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► only I don't use the stick with the reverse because the stick is just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► strange that just not worth it yet so I put the car in park that was fined and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► then I look for the ignition switch which I guess ignition in and of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► as a barbaric term now but archaic I should say but there wasn't one and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► just was looking around confused and I think david has kind of enjoying my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► being perplexed and eventually to him and said what do i do is get out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► car is always on effectively as long as you're sitting in the car the cars on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► ready to go to just get out and when I walk the Cardinal game cumshot itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► off so weird so call so much the future wants it so yeah if you are someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► is interesting in advertising on the axle tech podcast otherwise known as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► Casey by a Tesla fund please reach out to anyone of us send as many miles as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► you buy because I would like to have a test yes we're now going to have six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► sponsors per episode battle a West Esplanade buying ads they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► don't need to do they do need to so we are moving to six to twelve ads per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► what we're trying to do the math on what we're gonna get work on that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4985">TS</a>]
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01:23:14 ◼ ► out of it I don't have the house for a don't have the space for and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/4994">TS</a>]
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01:23:23 ◼ ► testing I would definitely be shopping for different cars you guys already had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► fancy BMW got it out of your system I haven't given me enough money for Marcus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5006">TS</a>]
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01:24:01 ◼ ► come up to six or seven tests alone probably right for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQJB0GE/5041">TS</a>]