The Accidental Tech Podcast

147: Here I Am, I'm a Battery

 

  the only question is are we gonna make Brent Simmons angry with the comma [TS]

  splice in Haryana battery you can make it a semicolon you can make it a period [TS]

  when you leave another comment the comma splice but I do like it's an informal [TS]

  and since it is a someone speaking you could consider it someone speaking [TS]

  sometimes people speak and things that are not sentences I definitely would not [TS]

  do a semicolon because that's just is wrong I mean I know it's Brantley right [TS]

  but I just hate them like as unprincipled like ever [TS]

  not never but it takes a lot to be really really worth it what does it take [TS]

  to really be the right thing to use their and like there has to be no good [TS]

  alternatives like that's why I really rarely use semicolons they don't like [TS]

  them so that every period Harry M paradigm but I just leave us a comment [TS]

  that you have two periods and hearing Empyrean about a period since I also so [TS]

  what does leave the comment there was a dare brain to go ahead and get us the [TS]

  entire internet wrote in to tell us that there is already a lightning to [TS]

  headphone jack adapter which is not at all useful if you're anywhere other than [TS]

  your death but in the defense of the entire internet we were talking mostly [TS]

  about using this sort of adapter of work is used to Pakistan music all day long [TS]

  Apple sells a lightning to headphone jack adapter with Pastor lightning for [TS]

  charging it's the $40 lightning dock which I believe came out recently didn't [TS]

  but that's got like a deck in it and that's for like the digital the [TS]

  headphones it take digital audio over the lighting like it's not really [TS]

  relevant were discussing which was that they replaced the headphone jack with [TS]

  lightning port and still wanted to support regular plain old analog [TS]

  headphones with it with an adapter that did not require you know any signal [TS]

  conversion just you know being a medal passed through to the the audio pins of [TS]

  the head and that's not what the lighting doctors so how would you [TS]

  describe lightning dock instead then it it is basically a thing to let you both [TS]

  plug in the current crop of lightning [TS]

  potable headphones and also a charter the same one way or another this is not [TS]

  the sort of thing that we would expect one to take running around with them as [TS]

  they're trying to use the to adapt Lightning to a regular headphone jack [TS]

  this would serve the purpose for desk use but not for mobile use and that's [TS]

  mostly what we were talking about last episode but yes we wanted to publicly [TS]

  acknowledge on behalf of the entire internet who wrote into us that we are [TS]

  aware that the success so Eric Michaels over had a little bit of feedback with [TS]

  regard to see why else you would want to use the lightning port for audio he [TS]

  pointed out that noise cancelling headphones don't need their own battery [TS]

  or any other charging mechanism because they can just draw power right off the [TS]

  lightning port much like a pencil doesn't mean I want to like do you [TS]

  really want your noise cancelling headphones sucking power from your phone [TS]

  maybe maybe not [TS]

  extra battery power and the phones might as well use it practically bursting out [TS]

  of the phone is so much [TS]

  well played [TS]

  get there and then I have no idea who were attributing this to a max called [TS]

  Amex ok and he or she said that USB Type C already supports analog audio check [TS]

  out Appendix A in the spec and we will link to the spectrum show notes John I [TS]

  believe you folded some passages here would like to share that with the group [TS]

  that aspect by the way the PDF like relating to the page that has the PDF [TS]

  download the PDF and find this been in Appendix A [TS]

  you will find that comes out of his last time I like I said one of the advantages [TS]

  of lightning is that if Apple wants to add support for plain old analog audio [TS]

  either by adding this to weird side context that I seem to remember seeing [TS]

  someone I still can't find or just by repurposing the pins be the whole deal [TS]

  with lightning as you can use a different things for different purposes [TS]

  not sort of hard wired so to speak to do a particular thing that Apple has the [TS]

  flexibility to wait for the USB committee or whatever to agree but it [TS]

  turns out USBC already supports analog [TS]

  I should have figured that since it's an old standard if you have your USB see [TS]

  connector and audio adapter accessory mode it just takes a certain number of [TS]

  pins in the USB uses them for the same exact signals takeover 3159 headphone [TS]

  jack so that's already support years BC and the other thing I found that I USBC [TS]

  relevant our conversation last time about whether Apple was all in lightning [TS]

  or they were going to eventually switched to ABC NBC is bigger than my [TS]

  shows how many years BC device I have in my house I'm pretty sure I have zero [TS]

  maybe I have won let her know about it somewhere but I don't have an idea of [TS]

  what they like but looking it up online afterwards he just bc is slightly bigger [TS]

  and that pretty much dooms [TS]

  never switch to it because they're going to be like well lighting is smaller so I [TS]

  we have a special I think so I think we're in it for the long haul for [TS]

  lightning even though USBC apparently already supports and all I've got a new [TS]

  could definitely make that passive connector thing for old style headphones [TS]

  if you're using your SBC exxon speaking of USB and in this case USB 3 we are now [TS]

  getting usb3 speeds from the new lightning testy to sdcard camera reader [TS]

  that came out just in the last couple of days we record and for the iPad pro you [TS]

  get the USB 3 speeds on that that's pretty exciting I've never actually used [TS]

  when these two does have one of them I have two USB one which I used for like [TS]

  audio purposes which is actually it's totally undocumented thing they can do i [TS]

  plug in a lot of USB audio interfaces to it and have different sound to put your [TS]

  outlets for your iOS devices and actually has more than iPhones and iPads [TS]

  basically forever but my father and I used the sdcard one for a little while [TS]

  on his iPad it's it was fine it was ok [TS]

  interests me most about these USB 3 speed and iPad Pro is for people like me [TS]

  maybe I'm wearing this who still hook up their iOS devices to one of their big [TS]

  computers and do an encrypted local backup instead of just relying on the [TS]

  iCloud backup it takes so long to do it speeds so like eight USB 3 speeds when [TS]

  doing a local backup to my computer through iTunes I would really appreciate [TS]

  that even for my dinky 32 and 64 [TS]

  devices let alone 128 gig iPad 40 so I'm assuming you have on Marco I'm assuming [TS]

  the if you were to hook it up to your Mac with the USB cable would still be [TS]

  USB two speeds as far as I know but I think all the existing lightning to USB [TS]

  cables I think I'll USB two cables so I I don't think that's doable yet but [TS]

  hopefully over time they will be solved just in time for people to stop [TS]

  overthinking things that computers well I don't have you ever stopped because [TS]

  like as people who've ever restored from iCloud can attest such a super pain oh [TS]

  yeah I will still do it and it will still do it but you know I think we are [TS]

  we are already in the extreme minority there but that's the accessory lady [TS]

  release forget about this whole you know like the exciting thing was like wow the [TS]

  lightning port supports USB 3 speeds but only in the iPad pro and surely that [TS]

  will trickle down and that'll be great but I don't want St card reader I want [TS]

  thing that plugs into my computer for it if what it's worth I actually put this [TS]

  on my Christmas list for this year I don't know if I would necessarily it you [TS]

  know it's it's a great gift because it's a sort of thing I wouldn't necessarily [TS]

  buy for myself but hey if somebody handed it to me that'd be pretty awesome [TS]

  in the reason I want one is because there are probably going to come times [TS]

  when I'm traveling with our Micro Four Thirds camera I didn't decide to bring a [TS]

  laptop with me and I only have my iPad and I could connect the camera to the [TS]

  iPad by way of wifi but it's actually surprisingly slow to do it that way and [TS]

  so I think it would be a lot easier to just pull the sdcard of the camera and [TS]

  attach it to the iPad or phone for that matter in suck some pictures off their [TS]

  that way in order to you know post on Instagram or maybe just send to friends [TS]

  or family or what have you so I'm curious to see if I end up getting this [TS]

  for Christmas and if I do I'll report back but I agree with you mark over by [TS]

  and large that it's not a lot of people that would want this but I kinda want [TS]

  one because I think it would be useful [TS]

  kind of a testament to the crappiness of wireless we talked about the last year [TS]

  about like his wifi above the level of laziness but how many people use wi-fi [TS]

  syncing to iTunes maybe that's not my wife I just like my tunes because [TS]

  there's so much but even like cameras you know so many cameras have wifi [TS]

  stupid I thought I think like the sdcard with wi-fi built-in [TS]

  forever and it looks like the next this one the new model is finally the good [TS]

  one and it never is for a bit for the cameras for the cameras that have built [TS]

  in WiFi support like that's what you want you want that and you also want to [TS]

  work but you want until you try it [TS]

  yeah I know but like what's the problem wifi itself technologically speaking is [TS]

  an OK technology like you know we all use wireless devices are in our house [TS]

  and they moralist maintain a connection and we get reasonable speeds based on [TS]

  what we think the signal strength when we have a super expensive camera 30 [TS]

  inches away from a super expensive iPad dealing with the best way we have to [TS]

  talk to them is to open up the camera in a little water proof or water resistant [TS]

  compartment put this tiny little card played with little thing into the [TS]

  Lightning poor childless just you're right there guys you both have radios [TS]

  you both like what's what's the problem here is it because camera manufacturers [TS]

  don't know what to do [TS]

  wifi stacks I don't know what the deal is but it said well they all have their [TS]

  own apps basically it's like like my camera's built-in wifi finally took me [TS]

  years to finally get one that had that and but in order to use it I have to [TS]

  install Sony is dumb Apple iPhone which works about a third of the time and when [TS]

  you do finally get to work you can I regret that you got to work till it's [TS]

  over and so slow and it is actually actually been faster to just take the [TS]

  car out of the camera and shoved into this thing is to be the wifi thing feels [TS]

  barbaric though taking it does hard and putting them together i think im using a [TS]

  VCR but it's it's faster I fully agree my Olympus it isn't that the app is [TS]

  relatively reliable but it is astonishingly slow to transfer pictures [TS]

  between the camera and the and the phone or the iPad and it's very very [TS]

  frustrating now that the app is nice and that for general things like it'll let [TS]

  me geotag based on what the phone is doing so it'll take a lot of all the [TS]

  places I go when all the time stamp someone not mentally ill send those to [TS]

  the phone and then geotag all the pictures on the phone [TS]

  tease me send us the camera and algae attack on the pictures on the camera [TS]

  which I really like on the occasions were not just staying put somewhere and [TS]

  it also lets you do you like a remote viewfinder sort of things so much like [TS]

  you can with the watch in the phone it'll let you take pictures remotely [TS]

  which is really nice if you're too socially awkward to say to somebody hey [TS]

  can you take our picture but I cannot say enough how awfully slow days to [TS]

  transfer pictures and because of that I agree with you mark I just end up taking [TS]

  the damn card out of the out of the Cameron putting it in a computer right [TS]

  and we have some good news this week our long national nightmare is over and we [TS]

  now have an Apple Remote app for iOS that works with the new Apple TV which [TS]

  would be more exciting to me if I had a new Apple TV [TS]

  well we don't have a my understanding haven't tested this from my [TS]

  understanding is not as if they released a new version they're not up the works [TS]

  that will TV it's the opposite the recently released a new version of the [TS]

  Apple TV iOS that makes the existing remote app work with it is that correct [TS]

  based on your understanding or experimentation oh I didn't try it I [TS]

  thought that was correct i mean i think they did eventually release a new iPhone [TS]

  app as well but I think before they even released in over a month now but I read [TS]

  was that if you just updated the TV OS you're not at work with it even before [TS]

  they release the eventual remote app update yeah that was the idea for all of [TS]

  us for the setup stuff and this still promises of like the real remote app you [TS]

  know let you swipe around on your phone like the touchpad using accelerometers [TS]

  and just basically be a replay a full-fledged replacement for the new [TS]

  Apple TV remote rather than just please for the love of God give us an on-screen [TS]

  keyboard to type on with their fingers instead of having to sway back and forth [TS]

  on a number line or the latter liner at work on that thing so interesting leave [TS]

  for whatever it's worth [TS]

  we recently bought a ps4 meaning yesterday so I got a chance to try you [TS]

  know what is what is the current well recent ish effort at a regular on-screen [TS]

  keyboard by using social dumping before I read that you can just plug in USB [TS]

  keyboard but happy the president but for the first time the president using their [TS]

  their little built in thing and just using the built-in keyboard with their [TS]

  controller and the D pad and a couple of buttons on the shoulder buttons to do [TS]

  like you know [TS]

  done in my god it's so much better like I was able to enter text so much faster [TS]

  in this regular on-screen keyboard using a regular dpad that I've never used [TS]

  before then I was then I still am today on the new Apple TV that I've been using [TS]

  now for like a month or something I'll give you a pro temp do not use the dpad [TS]

  suffered through like a barbarian using a deep at the keyboard you get one [TS]

  finger or thumb on the touchpad on the ps4 controller and one for your thumb on [TS]

  the X button to select away when a faster oh my god it's so much faster [TS]

  is a is a big river tangle the middle yeah that's the big hit the big thing in [TS]

  the middle of control no doubt you'll find out any games that it is as well [TS]

  but anyway now I won't if it is it is so much easier because I like it's not a [TS]

  great track pad at like the one on Casey's down like you know it's a crappy [TS]

  one but it's so much better than going downtown right up up down down he's you [TS]

  could basically just messing around with top tap tap [TS]

  just feel so much more freeing being constrained by the grid-like unit run [TS]

  game trying to put light cycles to get around to honestly I mean I think what [TS]

  made it so much faster for me it rather than the way the the Apple TV one of [TS]

  them beside the fact that it had more than one row Apple but I think so much [TS]

  faster is that you can kind of like when you have this digital input method of [TS]

  the deep at you you can just know it go over for up to you to do it it's so [TS]

  precise that I was able to flip through things really quickly on that and we [TS]

  were actually I made I think I made one mistake in the entire setup process on [TS]

  Apple TV icon to hit the wrong letter constantly yeah good thing is that [TS]

  they're sort of you know Smart Auto suggestion stuff like the you know the [TS]

  stuff from Android that Apple copied in iOS like the job of the keyboard a [TS]

  series of words appears when I'm sending messages to people related to destiny [TS]

  like i guess i basically the first letter word and it knows what we're [TS]

  trying to write [TS]

  just selected from the group reads like the things on to the next verse letter [TS]

  and it's like you like to send out a message as it is I should just look at [TS]

  the keyboard because it's so painful to try to do with the pad but the auto [TS]

  correction then you don't say a lot through the interface to send orange [TS]

  juice a row is the first suggestion so it's it's it's pretty good but you [TS]

  definitely do check out the touchpad is a little bit awkward to hold it till [TS]

  like weeks I have my thumb on the touchpad and my other ex pundits like [TS]

  the key is the kind of weird how to add the shelters but it's really great and [TS]

  then you have a correction I believe John from last upset yeah I made an [TS]

  offhand remark about the swift and foundation again getting the NSP fix how [TS]

  you know currently you can a lot of the API's you can use strings and a strings [TS]

  and they will convert between each other and I referred to that is like a free [TS]

  bridging thing or toll-free bridging or is your across bridge and whatever is [TS]

  not zero cost with System foundation bridging is not toll free I was thinking [TS]

  of you told her bridging between core foundation foundation to me for that [TS]

  anyway just to clear that up [TS]

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  preferred solution here is to have one or two local backups time machine is a [TS]

  great example time machine is very useful so things like super duper clones [TS]

  but there's always a need for something off site something that is automatically [TS]

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  online backup I've ever used its alright so apple released a thing this week and [TS]

  everyone's upset about it I kind of AM this kind of AM see you guys they've [TS]

  released the iPhone 6 s smart battery case Panamera unfair to the pan-american [TS]

  the Panamera has a fairly continue with the back of the car to its it's big and [TS]

  it's awkward the shape than profile but it's not as if this is a closer to the [TS]

  bangle trunk on the seven Series remember that one [TS]

  that's fair that's where this looks like they just shipped and engineering [TS]

  prototype yet come it does they were assigned hey can you make this like this [TS]

  weekend just make something that works and somebody got the wrong memo and [TS]

  shipped it as a real product so it's described this for people with the show [TS]

  our disconnect in time imagine and I thought success with Apple silicone case [TS]

  on it with 20% battery life [TS]

  3 o'clock in the afternoon give it a chin so so take the the battery case an [TS]

  extended downwards little bit and so like that it's got an extra training and [TS]

  I don't worry about why for now and then on the back of the phone take like I [TS]

  don't know maybe seven made no maybe 15 playing cards from the deck of cards put [TS]

  it in there and then slather it with so there's a lump on the back of this bone [TS]

  shaped like a rectangle a rounded rectangle that is smaller than the back [TS]

  of the phone it is both narrower than the phone and significantly shorter than [TS]

  the phone so there are edges of what looked like just a plain old iPhone [TS]

  success in a silicon case with the chin poking out all around us and it looks [TS]

  very strange because most other battery is mostly third-party better cases that [TS]

  i've seen [TS]

  trying to put like a sort of smooth hump on the back of thing he did they try to [TS]

  just make it to be really thin and make it look like is that actually better [TS]

  case or is that just like a really thick case you can't even tell where you can [TS]

  totally tell us like a bar of soap but it's essentially a smooth curve over the [TS]

  entire backs ever this phone top to bottom left to right edge and this is [TS]

  the first better case I can see that does not do that does not try to make a [TS]

  big curve over the back and also doesn't try to be so that it looks like it's out [TS]

  of battery case it looks like there is there is a rectangular thing hiding [TS]

  inside the back of your iPhone case [TS]

  yeah it's been so so when USA it's bad what you're saying is it's ugly but [TS]

  you're basically getting it well yeah I mean Yes it somebody told you had a time [TS]

  that hey apples to make a battery case what you would imagine in your head [TS]

  would be very different than this you know because like we expect Apple stuff [TS]

  to be [TS]

  minimum decent looking oftentimes at the expense of functionality these days with [TS]

  unfortunate but obviously expect the nurse you expect you know kind of smooth [TS]

  lines nice curves in a minimal design aesthetic and and this this is none of [TS]

  those things it's like he doesn't look anything like Apple designed it if you [TS]

  would have seen this in a weird store window on the streets of Manhattan you [TS]

  have assumed was a knock off like it if they were [TS]

  it does not look like an Apple product and in in the role of battery cases [TS]

  there is no option in a battery case that doesn't look like crap in some way [TS]

  they all my crap in some way what about the really thin ones the ones that are [TS]

  like it did you can tell they're better get back to it just looks like I might [TS]

  just be a regular case I think those look pretty good but one exception and [TS]

  I'll get to in the second my type but I think it yesterday this thing but but I [TS]

  think it's you can't say they're all like a lot of them to make the font [TS]

  bigger but the really thin ones that just gave you like a little bit more [TS]

  battery look pretty good yeah I would agree with that brand by the way those [TS]

  usually give more better than this but anyway there are some that look ok [TS]

  Amazon pages like there there's an anchor ultra-slim that I can if you look [TS]

  in the wall street journal review the schedule an externship there's a picture [TS]

  of three and they were they were the Apple on there is one from Anchor if [TS]

  there was a movie or there are some other in the middle and he would think [TS]

  that in in their review of the Apple battery case in a comparison photo next [TS]

  to these like way cheaper way higher capacity cases from these brands that [TS]

  are not known for great design especially like anchors are known for [TS]

  being rude utilitarian and being good value but you're not exactly for like [TS]

  stunningly good design you would you would assume that the Apple option in [TS]

  that photo should obviously be the best looking one and you probably assume that [TS]

  it would be the most expensive and you'd be right you probably wouldn't have the [TS]

  best capacity and you'd be right but to see it not even be the best looking one [TS]

  while also being the most expensive and having the worst capacity i think is is [TS]

  disappointing to say the least and it that's not to say that you can't get [TS]

  that isn't to say that [TS]

  that they could have done a massively better job as a battery case with their [TS]

  goals in mind and then that's when we'll talk about their goals in a minute but [TS]

  we've got a little more information since been released but it sure does [TS]

  seem like they know they were given a hard problem but it seems like a very [TS]

  disappointing output the heart problem and all of this is underscored by by my [TS]

  basal frustration of this shouldn't even be necessary for most people like the [TS]

  capacity that it has its I think it's roughly 1,800 million powers by most of [TS]

  the reviews can charge the phone about 80% of the way maybe so it's not as the [TS]

  full additional charge but it's like you can you can bring the phone down most of [TS]

  the way and you can charge it back up most of the way back up honestly when I [TS]

  need an extra battery I don't usually need more than that like that is a good [TS]

  amount for me but people who buy battery cases today that's like the smallest you [TS]

  can get and there's a lot of much bigger options are you can get like two to four [TS]

  times the battery capacity in an hour battery cases so dependent are using the [TS]

  phone if you doing like GPS all day as part of your job then I could see you [TS]

  need a lot more but honestly I like my use I complain a lot about the iPhone [TS]

  having not quite enough battery life and being too thin and and then suddenly [TS]

  prioritizing fitness and lightness over [TS]

  batteries but the difference between what the six and the success has have as [TS]

  the difference between what they have and what I need is not that big I would [TS]

  be very very happy if they took the battery of the success and just like 25 [TS]

  or 30 percent bigger at most 50% bigger you know that's that's all it needs it [TS]

  doesn't need to be three times as large you know it needs almost winter has just [TS]

  had like 25 to 50 percent more that's what that's what it really needs for me [TS]

  and I from from people i've seen in real life people I've talked to it seems like [TS]

  that would cover way more people's needs then like you know getting anything [TS]

  giant or status quo now obviously Apple has way more data than I do [TS]

  although honestly I i I question the metrics they collected how [TS]

  how well that covers the real world usage but anyway that's that's a [TS]

  discussion I'm just very sad that Apple's response to the success having [TS]

  clearly having porno of battery life for enough people that this was necessary to [TS]

  make and release that they they they take that indicator and they say well [TS]

  the right answer here is that that case is the right answer to the problem [TS]

  rather than if you just put in a battery that's like 25% bigger to begin with [TS]

  then the additional mass and complexity and efficiency of using that extra [TS]

  battery power is a tiny fraction of the bulk and the mass and the complexity of [TS]

  this case because you don't have an extra casing around it you don't have [TS]

  extra framing for rigidity in the middle section you don't have that whatever the [TS]

  heck that passive antenna thing is they're talking I'm no idea that is you [TS]

  don't have that you don't have the charging circuitry the discharging [TS]

  circuitry like the reporting back to the phone if you're better living in two [TS]

  different battery bars in Notification Center worried about its so much simpler [TS]

  if you just make the battery 25% bigger on the phone and you cover so much more [TS]

  with that kind of approach and I i no they don't do that because they want to [TS]

  be thinner and lighter and they think they're making her decision and maybe [TS]

  they are but it's frustrating to be on my side of it when you think they're not [TS]

  and this is their solution that I completely agree you know I was thinking [TS]

  about it and you remember that sort of cheesy but also sort of entertaining [TS]

  video they showed before WDC 2013 with like the dancing blobs of ink and it was [TS]

  a thousand knows video [TS]

  well I went and found a copy on YouTube which linked to the show notes that [TS]

  video starts as follows [TS]

  if everyone is busy making everything how can anyone perfect anything I think [TS]

  that's a powerful it is a mouthful but I mean we've been talking a lot about how [TS]

  spread thin we assume Apple to be these days now I think what generally [TS]

  referring to software when we're talking about that but there's a lot more [TS]

  there's a there's a lot more products and apples portfolio today than there [TS]

  were in 2013 and and I feel like this is just an example of somebody just phoning [TS]

  it in and and maybe I'm missing the boat but she's this thing looks just ugly [TS]

  it's just it just it's not smooth I mean it's smooth but it's not it's all based [TS]

  in its just a little huh i mean obviously if I were to get a battery [TS]

  case I would consider this one simply because I like the feel of Apple's first [TS]

  party cases especially the Silicon Valley there feel over the buttons [TS]

  asleep waking the volume button everything they do feel good over the [TS]

  buttons and they do fit well and all the other ones look pretty good this one not [TS]

  so much but I appreciate the value of Apple's cases most of the time but for [TS]

  me honestly if you know especially me look at costs like the first battery [TS]

  cases like oh yeah this'll make sense you know use it every other day and [TS]

  it'll be great and as soon as the next iPhone comes out and it's a different [TS]

  size and you can't use it anymore like why do i buy that $100 battery case that [TS]

  now is worthless to me and after that you typically just by like the little [TS]

  USB blocks or bricks or no other other ways to boost your head because you [TS]

  realize that was kind of you know not a great use of my money so now I I've [TS]

  moved on to the battery bricks and then little rectangles and stuff and have [TS]

  better burn them to 25 bucks and they have more power than the Apple thing I [TS]

  think twice as much in your pocket anyway I don't know why I guess I feel [TS]

  like these things are just admitting failure and I also feel you look at them [TS]

  cynically it's very easy to look at this and say you know I think they just made [TS]

  this to get $100 more out of people and they buy phones that were previously [TS]

  going to third-party makers [TS]

  like mostly an anchor and everyone else like it seems like apple just wants to [TS]

  capture more of the iPhone accessory revenue for themselves to John what do [TS]

  you think of this I know you guys are too new to the Apple world I think to [TS]

  get the obvious let's go back and find something that Apple said in the past [TS]

  that makes them look forward to the present your clothes when you're gone [TS]

  back to the you know but I make too many things but you have to go back far there [TS]

  to the what i call the flower iMac not the flower power one but the one who's [TS]

  on the cover of Time magazine that looks like a little hemisphere with like metal [TS]

  arm poking out of it and the screen flooding in the Army as a member that [TS]

  one oh yeah so at the introduction to that steve Jobs was like we want to make [TS]

  a flat panel iMac because flat-panel cruel and they're the future and we're [TS]

  trying to come up with design than enough this is in the keynoter [TS]

  interviewer whatever the store is basically we thought about taking a flat [TS]

  screen and shoving the guts of the iMac onto the back of it that just seemed [TS]

  ridiculous because it was like this big lump and thing jammed onto the back of [TS]

  the screen it wasn't elegance a look at the solution we came up with this was I [TS]

  think maybe the first let every Ellen be true to itself thing like the basis the [TS]

  base it hugs the ground at low to the ground at the semicircle like boom there [TS]

  you are the base and the screen like that's because they're flat thin and [TS]

  light so that screen be true to itself be light and airy like floating in the [TS]

  area can reposition it sounds cool arm and arm told it was closed arm and it's [TS]

  super then because I mean not by today's standards like if you look at the screen [TS]

  and a MacBook Pro didn't even know it was a long time ago [TS]

  lookout then it is and it doesn't have all the get strapped to the back of it [TS]

  of course today you know when they eventually did like the iMac g5 and the [TS]

  big the white flat screen thing eventually did shut the interests of the [TS]

  iMac to the back of the screen when they got to the point where they thought I [TS]

  think it should be entered in the back and not have it looked like a big you [TS]

  know hunchback type thing right so here we are with the battery case and [TS]

  impartial there's not really any place for the battery to go you can put it on [TS]

  the front foot on the sides of the bottom so it's kinda got it on [TS]

  back but when I first saw this might read about it was the the sort of [TS]

  johnnie of Steve Jobs explanation for this still kinda fits they let each [TS]

  element be true to itself right so the phone is one element and the batteries [TS]

  the other and it's like let's not hide the fact that we're jamming a battery on [TS]

  the back of a phone so the phone is this little thing and we're going to put the [TS]

  battery in the back of it and the bad here he is nothing but a separate things [TS]

  around and trying to blend them together and make you think these are all one [TS]

  piece we're going to eat it you can skip running problems hanging lantern on it [TS]

  or in the Johnny I'm Steve Jobs problems let me tell me to be true to itself so [TS]

  this lithium-ion battery pack on the back of this this phone is being true to [TS]

  itself by hearing here in I'm a battery I'm sticking out here say hi to me and [TS]

  you know like aesthetically speaking you can decide that looks ugly maybe because [TS]

  it looks different things maybe he's just like I don't want you to declare [TS]

  yourself to bed don't want you to be true to yourself battery I want you to [TS]

  minimize yourself I don't wanna know you're there I want to pretend instead [TS]

  that I have Marcos phone that he talked about is actually just an iPhone success [TS]

  they had little more battery power and by calling attention to itself in this [TS]

  way that some people like it's it's really rubbing it in then I have an [TS]

  extra things shoved in the back of my phone number used to be nice and elegant [TS]

  and now it's like you know below hunchback that's kinda gross but so I [TS]

  could see are going to both sides that but I my opinion of the this case [TS]

  started to fall two things one when I saw that it had a chance I thought [TS]

  surely the company that can make this better chances Apple right because the [TS]

  channel the chin is really I find that substantially alters the field the phone [TS]

  more than making it thicker once you start making it longer and wider and [TS]

  like the chance the chains come with compromises as people found out if you [TS]

  buy it beats headphone you cannot plug it into the chain of this thing without [TS]

  an adapter because they little headphone jack is just too deep to go through the [TS]

  little adapter things it's not just beat John their other headphones I November [TS]

  said I i'm playing on beach because like Apple makes those rights as the work is [TS]

  not like a third party has essentially first party at phones also don't fit the [TS]

  earpods it right but not [TS]

  you know large exxon they had to make a little time for the sound come out which [TS]

  is i'm glad they did that and little you know the little holes and tunnels have [TS]

  to make to get the stuff that's going to come out but there are things there are [TS]

  third-party battery cases that don't have chains am I wrong in thinking that [TS]

  I feel like I've seen them I was able to find one when I look for better cases a [TS]

  few months ago and there was one me look it up its offensive yesterday like I [TS]

  feel like not having a chance something happen to do but the real kicker to me [TS]

  was all of that story I just gave you about the bed the backpack being true to [TS]

  itself and have me extra capacity or whatever when I found out that Apple's [TS]

  battery case actually has less battery capacity than the one that try to hide [TS]

  the fact that has a battery that really killed the cat is like if you're going [TS]

  to have a big backpack and be true to yourself and say here I am I'm the [TS]

  battery at least make that battery really high capacity right at least say [TS]

  yeah it's a little bit chunkier looking at the batteries but boy it's a lot of [TS]

  capacity but it doesn't it has less capacity than those other ones it looks [TS]

  like it should have more because it calls attention to itself it is [TS]

  prominent and yet the actual battery in there is smaller and so then I feel like [TS]

  you know the battery case that I would have liked another number in the market [TS]

  or better yet but I would like to see the one that was just had massive [TS]

  capacity was really high quality or the one that had no chin and made the [TS]

  battery so then you don't even know that it's there they gave you only a little [TS]

  bit more maybe more than Marcos 25 maybe 30 percent maybe forty percent battery [TS]

  and an apple commits super thin one that's like it you don't even know if [TS]

  the battery is looking like a little bit case but it gives you give your phone to [TS]

  boost right both of those products I think would be nicer product as far as [TS]

  I'm concerned no I don't think the existence of battery case means that [TS]

  either Apple is admitting the success has been very life and I don't think the [TS]

  success has better battery life really depends on where you individually if it [TS]

  doesn't have enough battery life the way you used then yes you need to have a [TS]

  battery pack but I think that the battery life in the success is [TS]

  reasonable but as we've discussed many many times I also think there is a place [TS]

  in Apple's product line for a phone that is bigger it gets more battery life that [TS]

  is not the 60 S Plus because that's forcing you to say hey if you want [TS]

  your life album makes a phone for you also it's the size of african tablet and [TS]

  I hope you like there's a place near line for to say and I thought the [TS]

  success is that place actually I'd like it if they come with a four-inch phone [TS]

  that one should be super thin and small and then the success should be a little [TS]

  bit thicker to have more battery + should be the way it is or maybe add [TS]

  something which i think is the place somewhere for thick bone that is not [TS]

  gargantuan they don't make that phone money make me skinny things and if you [TS]

  need more capacity from a deep in this case and I see tons of people of battery [TS]

  cases in real life [TS]

  also you know all sizes of iPhones 5s size for us the 626 s lots and lots of [TS]

  battery cases because people know I can use my phone all day and I i cant use [TS]

  about the better get to bed cases and she becomes part of the phone I also [TS]

  know that both or making a case I don't think this spring themselves too thin [TS]

  marco was like I just wanna get $104 of course they do why would they not like [TS]

  they are they somehow morally obligated not to make an accessory which they [TS]

  should make access and you know it's weird to have manufactured not me he [TS]

  says he's like Honda not making broad your car so they want you to put a [TS]

  broader convert their shares held gonna make him because you want a broad like [TS]

  sounds like you want here you go it's bad example car bras but I'm going back [TS]

  to your days but but yet Apple should totally sell every accessory why only [TS]

  third parties to make an accessory that huge number of you by what's the status [TS]

  on something like Apple according to Apple's own statistics or something like [TS]

  seventy percent 70% of people put a case on on their iPhones of course Apple [TS]

  should sell cases and if some of you want better of course they should make [TS]

  the Apple should make three battery case like I have no objections in doing that [TS]

  I think the absolution if only like to raise the game of the third party [TS]

  manufacturers so well this is a little bit of a disappointing product there are [TS]

  some explanations for a second but I think they should totally make a battery [TS]

  case I I can come up with a plausible explanation for the Athletics in this [TS]

  case even if you think it's like your opinion is your opinion right i mean we [TS]

  also people with cases that we think are live with somebody loves them [TS]

  and if anything I wish I could just make more battery cases so i think is a good [TS]

  first run out of battery case and at the very least it's got us talking about it [TS]

  and it's interesting it is not boring given that were the case I was thinking [TS]

  of it I could remember before was the sole a memo right there is there a [TS]

  couple then there's a there's a new version of the old version on Amazon for [TS]

  like 50 bucks and the old version it doesn't matter has never seen that has [TS]

  no chin and it basically has an internal lightning port that plugs in [TS]

  up the bottom the phone and and like moves the real commander down slightly [TS]

  and it uses its additional thickness of being about her case to give you a [TS]

  lightning port that's just like down lower than just below the real one [TS]

  doesn't really give you that was I thought there was one of the claims of [TS]

  this like it wasn't this from Ms Barbara think the first battery case to have a [TS]

  fully featured lightning connector that's claimed I read somewhere about [TS]

  the Apple adding the key words they're fully featured because you're both right [TS]

  this does taking lightning connector but it doesn't put the battery status and [TS]

  notification center and stuff like that only the first party case can do that a [TS]

  fully-featured lightning connector that's a feature the grant applicants [TS]

  they can do to change the OS but as the Lightning connector fully featured on [TS]

  them anyway like the first version of this one had had a big problem that [TS]

  according to reviews of blocking cell signals had a metal frame and everyone [TS]

  said it bought your signal and this updated version now says its updated now [TS]

  new design that absolutely will not interfere with your signal so I guess [TS]

  you're doing it right and report back and see if that actually is true because [TS]

  it's extremely thin relative to most better and it has no chin so that the [TS]

  the bulk of it is significantly reduced and if this is actually good and works [TS]

  and doesn't block the cell signal meaningfully then I would say it's kind [TS]

  of embarrassing for Apple but I I'm guessing was going to be some problem [TS]

  with this there's like this there has to be some reason why no one else makes [TS]

  cases like this is there any other color besides why I'm not trying to be funny [TS]

  I'm really asked to do the black one [TS]

  no but the black ones the old version available only comes in black and white [TS]

  yeah that's also true but yeah we'll see we'll see if they actually I mean I'm [TS]

  sure going to sell I also want to consider that that is even more cynical [TS]

  than they just made it to get accessory money but why is that like you say that [TS]

  like it's like they just made it like that they'd but what they make products [TS]

  for like a man they want to make great products Baba but they just made it to [TS]

  make money like how how can you say that is a bad thing about like I guess that's [TS]

  true [TS]

  like you know it's this 1 I'm trying to think it is a situation where you could [TS]

  say this was just the money I get the money grab if they put out a product [TS]

  that they put like minimal effort into just to get the money based on their [TS]

  name and I don't think that's that's because you know you may think it's ugly [TS]

  and may disagree with the compromises they may but it looks like it's up to [TS]

  the standards of all Apple for Sparty cases in terms of fit and finish and the [TS]

  thoughtfulness of the features again whether you disagree with them or not [TS]

  like it doesn't look like a piece of junk so I think that's made that are you [TS]

  call it a MoneyGram if they put out something that was just look like a [TS]

  piece of junk that it didn't feel good too didn't look good didn't fit right [TS]

  maybe gonna think of their like the iPad one case you could say that about like [TS]

  they just put this out to make money because it does not look like a piece of [TS]

  crap and look like it was slapped together because we might say they just [TS]

  made a small laptop is a money grab people on a small at that point yet for [TS]

  people who want a laptop you know now that that's all fair but ok so carry [TS]

  this on to its logical conclusion then and then we have a problem because now [TS]

  they now have an incentive to not improve the iPhone battery life to keep [TS]

  it to being almost sufficient for enough people but just painful enough that a [TS]

  large portion of their customers who want to buy this additional $100 part [TS]

  it's a sweet 16 get problem I don't know if a large portion of people going about [TS]

  their daily but now they have the incentive to keep the status quo and [TS]

  center do what they're already there are doing that like I think the the six plus [TS]

  has given them a little bit of cover on this to say ure said you wanted more [TS]

  battery capacity will be made only like yeah but it's so big you want everything [TS]

  there is to be exactly besides you want exactly the battery capacity are testing [TS]

  shows the public I mean as someone who uses the sex all day and the battery use [TS]

  it everyday and the battery is totally fine for me but I also know people who [TS]

  can get there have a day with their sex and we all have the same phone just [TS]

  depends on usage patterns so there's such a variability usage patterns very [TS]

  difficult to say whether they've overall undersized anything if this battery case [TS]

  gives them cover I don't think they'll be better cases existed already so [TS]

  whatever covered the thing that you think they're getting by having the [TS]

  battery case they really had that covered because this is huge market [TS]

  battery cases that I see everywhere for the people who talk to their phones who [TS]

  need to have a really long you know so I don't think I need to make this case to [TS]

  get that cover no I think that's fair but i think is this dramatically [TS]

  increases that don't cover them because now they can they can point to this [TS]

  nigga say well you know what if you don't know if you're sick sore or [TS]

  whatever the new main line iPhone is better I feel that it is not our problem [TS]

  to fix we offer you these battery cases for an extra $99 like it was better when [TS]

  they could say if you don't like the battery life is in our problem by one of [TS]

  these less than $90 battery cases that offer more capacity if anything this [TS]

  week in their story begins now they're going to always be pitching their spirit [TS]

  which is lower capacity and higher price that the problem here is that this at [TS]

  least by having a first party option that they believe is good this gives [TS]

  them permission [TS]

  internally when making design decisions to no longer really think about giving [TS]

  more better i people built in the phone I think that I think the thing about [TS]

  exactly the same amount I mean I good as I've said from many years back to the [TS]

  old record this seems to be this tragedy been pursuing for a long time a lot of [TS]

  people to use a all this is the nigger robotic or theory it's finally coming [TS]

  out it's finally coming to be here the whole time [TS]

  like you know this is it's not it's not a new thing I like about the things [TS]

  they've been doing is make it is thin and light as possible as you can to be [TS]

  useful to you know to somebody to a lot of people and then allow people to add [TS]

  to it as many times that you got out to set an extra layers of bases angeli [TS]

  filler between there because you gotta have walls between your batteries the [TS]

  batteries have to be inside cases [TS]

  case on the outside mission so they're going to keep dancing around in that [TS]

  line I really think that with none of us have been discussing this if they made a [TS]

  thicker iPhone sex like maybe even also keep her 14 like you know all day you [TS]

  sit on the go [TS]

  things it's all about diversity profile and they really have diversified a lot [TS]

  that is can keep going maybe they considered as a diversification by think [TS]

  this is more of an accessory occasion since arising occasion whatever anyway [TS]

  they're adding accessories which is one way to go to make airline more diverse [TS]

  but it is no substitute for actually making airline more diverse and it isn't [TS]

  that ridiculous to do you think of the making another iPhone model that still [TS]

  the same size as they're like mid-range one that has a bigger battery is this is [TS]

  their most important product they make more than anything else and they have [TS]

  all sorts of such customizations and our other product lines so it wouldn't be [TS]

  that ridiculous concept [TS]

  at the foreign from comes back and you'll see is right because of the [TS]

  orange phone comes back like say Apple's not afraid to make sure because with the [TS]

  iPhone being such an important product there's one thing we don't have a scale [TS]

  but the other thing is you want to make sure you get as much in the market is [TS]

  possible the whole reason they made their phones it's like well a lot of [TS]

  people do want bigger phones let's make a bigger phone in fact let's not just [TS]

  make a bigger phone let's make two bigger phones gonna get one size it's [TS]

  not gonna be big enough and people whether huge numbers make just a huge [TS]

  run people gonna flip out cuz they want the not so huge one and like I said if [TS]

  they make the foreign shit will show that like we understand people on all [TS]

  different sizes and then maybe someday like you have to make a sunday or [TS]

  something eventually the innards will take up so little power that it will be [TS]

  a moot point across this morning for our barrier and then we will have to worry [TS]

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  Apple and other strange turn of events is actually talking to the press about [TS]

  about the of all things about the little lump on the back of their thing was like [TS]

  when did this come out like earlier in the week I guess yesterday at an Apple [TS]

  already has is talking again talking to the tech press and saying we'd like to [TS]

  talk to you about the mean things people are saying about our battery case they [TS]

  had you know I'm not gonna say some excuses and explanations about what what [TS]

  is the deal in case why the hell is it like that why doesn't one question is [TS]

  that lump on the back of a lump on the back you don't want to be smooth over [TS]

  the senate's that decision why doesn't the lump on the back [TS]

  go away from the top to the bottom of the phone wires that look like a band [TS]

  aid where it's like this the lumpy part in the middle [TS]

  flat part and Mark already talked about this like their explanation is about [TS]

  cellular reception that if you put the battery over the top and the bottom of [TS]

  the you know over the whole thing behind enemy lines on the success are in the [TS]

  top and the bottom you don't want to block the antenna with a battery was not [TS]

  really a transparent and so they're keeping the battery away from the the [TS]

  radio parts and they get better reception but I can kind of understand [TS]

  that something you have to deal with if you really do coat the entire back of [TS]

  the phone with the battery its gonna hurt reception people who have battery [TS]

  cases that are not to hurt their reception know that it happens and it [TS]

  can be annoying so they voted just by not putting the battery there did you [TS]

  have to say so far away from the things could you meet him again I say if you [TS]

  gonna put the big lump wanna make the lump thicker like when I go out have [TS]

  more capacities really is depressing to meet her at me yeah well I mean come [TS]

  down to ask that you could have left the battery the same exact size and filled [TS]

  in the part where like essentially radio transparent tape it's not battery that's [TS]

  covering the things that just a permitted I think the paper comes down [TS]

  test that checks and the other thing is I don't know is complete but this is a [TS]

  story that a lot of the battery cases like the movies and stuff are to piece [TS]

  things that are hard to get the phone in and out of the Apple one because the [TS]

  battery doesn't extend all the way up to the top the topic bendy and you could [TS]

  just been the top back and inside the phone how to think about the video and [TS]

  they're very excited and proud about the fact that is easy to get the phone [TS]

  enough I don't know how many people are taking their phones in a battery cases [TS]

  lot maybe it's because they're so hard to get in and out of like those really [TS]

  tight-fitting battery cases but is that you know i guess its ok to say hey we [TS]

  made it really easy to get the phone and now but I just don't see someone coming [TS]

  home every day and taking their phone out of putting it in it doesn't seem [TS]

  like a frequent activity to me you know and that's true of any case that's a [TS]

  better case I never take my cases of my phone and you shouldn't be the final of [TS]

  your doesn't that they click so well it's funny because I typically use the [TS]

  Apple leather case for my iPhone because like marco was saying earlier you know I [TS]

  I happen to like the feel of it is a little bit exorbitantly expensive but [TS]

  not anymore [TS]

  when you are sixth generation ones it was like 60 bucks now they're $45 they [TS]

  didn't know that yeah they dropped it with the S generation I didn't know that [TS]

  so that's not quite so bad but anyway the only time I use battery case though [TS]

  which I do have a landmark one which I really liked until Marco showed me this [TS]

  this one that we're talking about a minute ago which I kind of lusting over [TS]

  now but anyway let me get a first and I'll tell you that sucks yeah exactly [TS]

  but I have this on my battery case which is just cheaper knockoff of movies and [TS]

  it works really well I really liked it but the only time I ever use it is [TS]

  either a conference or a football game and I'm not gonna be around wall power [TS]

  for hours and hours and hours and hours other than that I never ever use this [TS]

  case and so getting my phone out of the Apple leather case and into the landmark [TS]

  case is useful to have that easier but I i buy a large agree with you that it's [TS]

  not the sort of thing that I'm doing daily I'm doing it like once once a week [TS]

  during the fall and then maybe daily during wEDC but that's that's frequent [TS]

  enough that I would say you would be good although I do have to wonder [TS]

  especially the things that the more time to take the thing in and out the more [TS]

  Lucy kinda get and the more you could trap things I think they talk about this [TS]

  on the Apple website like the microfiber on the inside its cleaning your phone [TS]

  when you put it in there and say no getting around the fact that if you [TS]

  happen to get like three pieces of sand in there and you said your phone inside [TS]

  a microfiber not here to make scratches the other things about the lump sum in [TS]

  the Apple has talked about like grip ability and stuff in households better [TS]

  for that it's actually rather than putting it on the bottom like you guys [TS]

  do with the lump you can put the key under the lump instead of under the very [TS]

  bottom of the phone which probably helps me get the changes making the very [TS]

  bottom funk even lower down so resting your pinky underneath it could be [TS]

  accountable to do it like having never held one of these I can't really think [TS]

  about how would you would feel awkward will feel better like giving you a text [TS]

  replace the grip like a hand-hold that lump on the back but the silicon case it [TS]

  is nice [TS]

  my life has one on her iPhone and the lump thing I don't know like I keep [TS]

  going back to his many of our discussions about it past Apple products [TS]

  have been said they favored form over function talked about the MacBook one in [TS]

  the single part in hiring has to be so skinny and how the phone just any and [TS]

  everything has to be so you know like just made like a sculpture the Apple [TS]

  mouse the tiny keyboards that has ties arrow keys form over function former [TS]

  function too much you know they can't make it ugly for one little bit of extra [TS]

  functionality that as a No can we just make it beautiful and do the best we can [TS]

  with Ms concerns and one thing you can say about this case is that it [TS]

  absolutely does not perform in front of function right right so not necessary [TS]

  because its ugly but because like look it has a job to do and it doesn't really [TS]

  spend a lot of time figuring out how to how to make it look like a beautiful [TS]

  piece of sculpture right you know and and again getting back to being [TS]

  criticized think that all I max I love them so much like that I just like that [TS]

  iMac design had both in that they said you know let let the function dictate [TS]

  the form we we can't figure out a way to get these internal in the back of the [TS]

  screen and haven't looked so don't even try [TS]

  had the screen and have the screen be free by myself and have you can move [TS]

  anywhere you can twist it around downstairs where you put it was awesome [TS]

  and the base it also looks but is also totally stable stays right there it's [TS]

  small the base of that iMac was actually a lower and lower amount of volume I [TS]

  believe that for cube [TS]

  actually smaller than you thought was like that is what you want is a [TS]

  beautiful blending of it but this one when it came time to choose she was like [TS]

  smooth this thing over and try to hide all this stuff and you know make it look [TS]

  like a beautiful piece of sculpture perhaps sacrificing something of utility [TS]

  like maybe not having a good lighting passed through or maybe having your [TS]

  ridiculously low battery capacity to make it completely invisible and useful [TS]

  to people for Marco wanted more [TS]

  an extra 20% they didn't they made a different choice to make a different [TS]

  choice what their their reward is an article saying you have too much [TS]

  function and you should have paid more attention to form because I think what [TS]

  you made it and I guess that's because people think the only in this is a [TS]

  result of the not paying enough attention to looks right if it does mean [TS]

  something was said that made the MacBook 11 part and it must be so important and [TS]

  it was only on top of that you couldn't say well you said you wanted form over [TS]

  function over form so they know they screwed up both it is both not useful [TS]

  because it wants to be part and thalia sent instead they made this beautiful [TS]

  thing that has one part and then you could simply say well they want to make [TS]

  a beautiful thing and making a statement this one port and the scouts batteries [TS]

  and other stuff like that state so much all this technology never to make this [TS]

  beautiful thing and we agreed that is beautiful so we say yes you did that but [TS]

  you did there I found this one we don't agree that is beautiful we feel like you [TS]

  have not made it beautiful so we're going to say that you didn't go perform [TS]

  instead you must have done for function and you look at a functionally like well [TS]

  as you take in and out it has a battery in it has let me pass through the only [TS]

  thing you could maybe them on as if you really want to go for a funky mood amid [TS]

  the chain even bigger so you could fit the long had fun Jackson but this this [TS]

  does feel to me like a different ballot the usual form over function from Apple [TS]

  if only because we all disagree about the the form being beautiful and I want [TS]

  to encourage that because half the time over saying is don't make you things [TS]

  beautiful sculptures because if you end up an absurd situations like the Harper [TS]

  internal mass think more about forum anything more about forming in them so [TS]

  you know I can I can empathize battle feel like we can win with these guys [TS]

  well I mean the right answer here is to recognize that if it is truly not [TS]

  possible to make a really good external battery case for an iPhone that also [TS]

  looks good and good looks are important to Apple and the answer is to reduce or [TS]

  remove the need for external battery cases reducing it that's very much if [TS]

  you added 10 percent capacity how much do you need twenty percent capacity like [TS]

  when do you get to the point where you actually reducing need because I think [TS]

  the people who need like this big movies [TS]

  their Apple should never make a phone as big as big movies are like even like 80% [TS]

  is big like say take one of the big movies cut out all the intermediary [TS]

  plastic and merge that that those mill empowers into the phone that's too big [TS]

  for Apple to make right but people have those needs and so there's always gonna [TS]

  need for some battery packs I just don't know what the ratio is like of all the [TS]

  people in new battery packs how many people could get away with just adding [TS]

  20% 30% right so that's kind of what the third party banner manufacturers are [TS]

  doing and that Apple's not privy to that information because their surveys focus [TS]

  groups don't work that is a motivation for Apple to make seven different sizes [TS]

  of battery packs hey Apple you have your own information about exactly how much [TS]

  more capacity people need and you could use that to decide how thick to make the [TS]

  next owner know what target battery life or whatever but now with severe [TS]

  dissented ever do so because it reduced the iPhone ASAP I i think by making one [TS]

  case if they can make this will give them some information some real [TS]

  first-hand information about what people want out of battery cases anything like [TS]

  more battery cases that will give me more information like they're always [TS]

  making that calculus how big to make the battery in this phone should be going [TS]

  for target battery life like the iPad we just go for 10 hours all the time we [TS]

  think we're ok with that I don't know what their targets for the iPhone this [TS]

  is a very important to me it seemed like it was tiny consistent but a little bit [TS]

  lumpy the iPads for more of a straight line and the iPhone history was a little [TS]

  bit lumpy up and down here and there but maybe they're just holding their breath [TS]

  in saying that we just wait a little longer and we get into the manufacturer [TS]

  of the AOM and for us it would ever in sync feature size they're up to that [TS]

  point and we make everything so low power adventure this point we just need [TS]

  to get across the finish line it's already a moot point an iPad Mini and [TS]

  iPad like saying US bases in these cases the speakers like 10 hours is fine and [TS]

  we pretty much all agree like the most part 10 hours so far as mine [TS]

  the iPad but the phones they're always on the ragged edge of the don't want to [TS]

  make it really big and thick but we also wanted to last kind of all day and we [TS]

  know we can't really make it last all day because that would just be way too [TS]

  big so you know just like every year I think they're going to get closer and [TS]

  every year they just put a more powerful CPU and GPU in there or make screen [TS]

  bigger so that that sucks even more [TS]

  power just seems like we're not really making progress on battery life but I [TS]

  have to think somewhere out there in the future [TS]

  we're gonna start crossing over like it give me like one or two or three more [TS]

  hours and then all the stuff starts to fade into the background and just be [TS]

  applicable to people who need to be able to like you know play games on iOS four [TS]

  nine hours in a row not lose their battery or whatever the hell people are [TS]

  doing to to use those giant movies all day [TS]

  couple of quick notes about the positives battery case how one of the [TS]

  things that appeals to me about this is that it does have that lightning pass [TS]

  through its it sounds like there are other cases on the market that happens [TS]

  like the one Marco just impulse bought a few minutes ago but having this landmark [TS]

  case that I do like but also having to carry one micro USB port just for that [TS]

  and I pretty much have no other devices they use it is kind of annoying so I [TS]

  like that it has sliding pass through and then it also has some phantom [TS]

  passive antenna help which I mean if you guys have something to say about that we [TS]

  can but finally the the other thing that i think is appealing is when you drop [TS]

  down in Notification Center to see what your battery life is on your phone and [TS]

  possibly your watch this will appear in Notification Center as well which i [TS]

  think is really nice rather than having some stupid blinking lights on the back [TS]

  of the thing apparently there is a blinking light on the inside of the [TS]

  things when you're charging but that's obviously not terribly useful if the [TS]

  phone is in the case I think those are all positive I think that's good and [TS]

  actually I never thought about putting your pinky they're not held one of these [TS]

  yep that actually sounds really appealing to because maybe they can ship [TS]

  me my pinky up a bit so I can actually reach the top of my already too big [TS]

  phone yet another policy decision speaking of like it always integration [TS]

  what are the policy I don't have battery cases out of nowhere better case do this [TS]

  but what is the policy in terms of if you plug either terrible micro USB or [TS]

  lightning cable something to the bottom of your phone that inside the battery [TS]

  case the charge the battery case for us to charge the phone first when you put a [TS]

  phone into a better case the better case immediately begin charging the phone up [TS]

  to a hundred percent [TS]

  then stop charging when he goes that or does the battery case charge of blown up [TS]

  to some presenters like 75 or 80 and just try to keep it there is used the [TS]

  phone like how do you how does the software in the battery case I guess [TS]

  decide what to do with power and there is an are you into made for the battery [TS]

  case not charging the fuck 200% keeping it that way because keeping lithium-ion [TS]

  batteries 800% charge overtime shortens the life force is keeping them like crap [TS]

  like that but at any rate keeping a charge of Max all time is not greater [TS]

  battery life even despite like does that thing where like let your battery drain [TS]

  down like 99 98 97 percent in that cranks back up like it's it's not good [TS]

  to keep it under percent all the time I've heard that some battery cases try [TS]

  to keep your phone on 75 or something to to extend the battery life on a river [TS]

  but those are those type of decisions are things that can be adjusted I guess [TS]

  in software I may be in firmware does the battery case a former I don't know [TS]

  some cooperation between the device with software on the battery case would be [TS]

  good here and it's a perfect opportunity to try to do something that you couldn't [TS]

  do as a regular person because as a regular person without a battery case [TS]

  you have a charge under percent before you leave the house you know going to [TS]

  charge of up to 70% to preserve the battery life because you're just gonna [TS]

  maybe run out before the end of the day you're always charging two hundred [TS]

  percent people battery cases can maybe I guess maybe the battery case keeping [TS]

  charged under percent but I'd be more comfortable doing that but the thing [TS]

  that's inside the phone because it's probably still cheaper to get a new [TS]

  battery case in to replace the battery inside the phone that certainly you know [TS]

  about opening up your phone to know that stuff but also if there is integration [TS]

  between the battery case and the phone works in Apple's case there is their [TS]

  software division at the phone level and no one else will go to get that there's [TS]

  one more thing you can do that that smart that I that that is unfortunately [TS]

  the case can do I S has a number of changes that it does behaviour of it [TS]

  does your does when it think to put in the AC power it will more readily [TS]

  download things in the background it'll pull out more often it'll use more power [TS]

  when it thinks that wasn't AC power if Apple makes a case that integrates in [TS]

  the software [TS]

  a smart thing to do would be [TS]

  the battery case to communicate to the phone hey I'm also a battery this is not [TS]

  really AC power even though I'm charging you and for the phone to continue [TS]

  operating as it was running on battery power I don't know if Apple's keys does [TS]

  that I do know that third-party cases can't and don't do that we need to see [TS]

  what the policy decision as a low power mode I guess maybe you'd never get into [TS]

  low power mode if the battery cases always charging the phone and if you did [TS]

  reach it would be legit dinner now but what if you had a battery case that was [TS]

  like with holding its charge from the phone to the phone dipped to a certain [TS]

  level and that triggered the low-power warning about this this is yet another [TS]

  reason why I actually increase in the capacity of the battery inside the phone [TS]

  removes all these complexities you know how to make all these weird policy [TS]

  decision exactly the battery and other stuff but bottom line is official [TS]

  support for everything we just discussed is a good idea because no matter how big [TS]

  the better in the phone someone's always going to need something with the size of [TS]

  our by yourself and there's gonna be battery case existing of battery cases [TS]

  are going to exist the OSU really have support like this should be made for [TS]

  iPhone program to be compliant battery case to get all the features we describe [TS]

  even if Apple's the first one to do it like why why would hold that I was [TS]

  surprised to learn that the same thing like that as far as I'm concerned they [TS]

  think they're attached AC power an attached to a battery cases battery [TS]

  cases have been around for a very long time you'd think by now Apple would have [TS]

  official support for hey if you're making a battery case do this and that [TS]

  and have these resistances on these pins and will let us know that you are [TS]

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  I really don't like making websites I am I am programmer I'm a web programmer I [TS]

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  I'm a bit on the small battery case there was a story on the verge about the [TS]

  Apple Smart Battery Case look weird because most he has a ton of patents on [TS]

  battery well movie does have a ton of patents on battery has some of them [TS]

  involving a two-part case which its debts over the thing and just you know [TS]

  tons of dumb patents is that why Apple's case looks like this [TS]

  apple says no in their strange communication with the tech press that [TS]

  they're doing nowadays they apparently have said through channels unequivocally [TS]

  no that's not entirely surprising since this landmark case that I have operates [TS]

  exact same way that these suppose it [TS]

  Mophie patents would prohibit but to be fair Lenmar as a much more target that [TS]

  Apple would be so I'm not sure anyone cares I think alike [TS]

  the reason I believe this this [TS]

  story of it out that apple says that they didn't maybe they waited because of [TS]

  patents is not because I think Apple you know I'm gonna made the case and not [TS]

  infringe Apple's I think if Apple made a case for Apple wouldn't care because [TS]

  they've got a bazillion dollars in movie doesn't like it if it seemed like [TS]

  Apple's about to lose the case by movie I mean seriously giant coming to lab are [TS]

  not afraid of small companies like movie when it comes to infringing patents [TS]

  because they just tied the knot in litigation into the company goes out of [TS]

  business out there like willfully infringing patents but they said many [TS]

  times everything is planted evidence thus tons of dumb pens there's nothing [TS]

  you can do it is not violating someone's patents [TS]

  every single thing Apple does is violating somebody's patents in this [TS]

  room every technology companies just the cost the stupid cost of doing business [TS]

  and so Apple is not going to have some sort of meeting before deciding their [TS]

  iPhone better they say let's take a survey of all the patents that held by [TS]

  people who have patents on iphone battery cases and make sure whatever we [TS]

  do doesn't come close to one of those are just gonna make the case that they [TS]

  want to make like that's if they didn't they will be paralyzed like it like that [TS]

  you know we're adding a featured iowa's please spend six months trying to search [TS]

  for every Superdome patent that applies to our planet that's gonna do it just [TS]

  gonna do it and then to wait for somebody to sue them because that's the [TS]

  way business works and stupid world that we have here in the united states right [TS]

  anything else on the case I can't believe we talked for so long the [TS]

  battery case have you met us this I mean no I'm have a 65 summit but the sex [TS]

  right it does yes it does not it doesn't the pluses does for the record I mean I [TS]

  can see why people would choose this one you know it does have some integration [TS]

  it does feel probably pretty good if you if you want a rubberized silicone case [TS]

  feel for grip purposes it is probably good for that although I don't know [TS]

  whether the bullet in the back would be more comfortable as comfortable but I I [TS]

  see why would she uses one but I think anybody who this sounds stupid anybody [TS]

  who really cares about their battery case [TS]

  I think would find many better options it depends on what you care about like [TS]

  people this may look rugged to some people I'm not sure how the Athletics [TS]

  will will will be received by people who are not as obsessed with like the [TS]

  apathetic as we are perhaps the people of Pakistan are because Apple Design is [TS]

  a particular aesthetic and it appeals to us obviously because we like Apple [TS]

  products we buy them stuff but it's not necessarily people and every kind of [TS]

  like you know the Aston Martin static vs the Corvette vs Ferrari like just [TS]

  historically speaking of the three very different styles and some people really [TS]

  like Aston Martin think about their glee in some people really like about the [TS]

  Mustangs and Aston Martins don't appeal to them the same thing with Ferrari like [TS]

  not every style appeals to every person and when I look at this time I try to [TS]

  say is is it would appeal to somebody and I think it was like power tools you [TS]

  know or maybe maybe a combination of mike l being in like Dewalt power tools [TS]

  or something like there is a sort of rugged do reverie granddaddy kind of [TS]

  athletic here that might actually be appealing to some people and maybe [TS]

  there's more of them than are the people who want everything I would say Apple's [TS]

  in car manufacturer analogy is closest like Aston Martin but people do like the [TS]

  Mustangs have boulders and flares and nostrils and all sorts of weird rude [TS]

  things so I'm not entirely sure if this is actually even though it is so [TS]

  different than the estimate that we like her Apple is it really unappealing to [TS]

  everybody I mean at the very least hear your phone will sit flat on the table [TS]

  first of all I think if Dewalt designed a battery case they might have only 10 [TS]

  but if they did it would be way better looking than this [TS]

  secondly I would far rather have a Corvette than this and even look usually [TS]

  have you seen the back of the current one [TS]

  pretty rough but have you seen this I mean if the battery is it's it's it's a [TS]

  it's growing on me it's growing on me at this when I look at the bank was now I [TS]

  start thinking it looks like the interior space station sent from 1970 [TS]

  wow wow [TS]

  take a bunch of these big news in miniature like take a bunch of these [TS]

  erase the Apple logo and line them up to make like a hallway like these that that [TS]

  is from a sci-fi movie they're like they're like little bulging random but [TS]

  what I've heard from I think this article like don't get the white one [TS]

  people I know you know we've talked to Casey about this but I quite looks good [TS]

  in some time some things but something you're gonna hold is going to get dirty [TS]

  and gross really fast like there's no avoiding it will be panel our phones all [TS]

  the time we put them in pockets to put them in person who put them down on [TS]

  tables do not get the white one unless unless you're ok with the fact that it's [TS]

  that's going to not look like Apple's product shots for more than like a week [TS]

  it was at Christina's who said like it was discolored after like one day I mean [TS]

  how can you not like it is it is it is magical bright white it's a white world [TS]

  white nothing will stay if you touch it [TS]

  sorry even like porcelain is made of flying China would eventually get away [TS]

  but this is this is will not call ya but also we have to talk about we have a lot [TS]

  of updates all the things get updated to care now we could it enumerates them is [TS]

  everything to say about them we got i OS 9.2 is there anything noteworthy there I [TS]

  updated my devices and did not notice anything and didn't recall seeing things [TS]

  when she was a you that was very upset about the Done button in Safari Safari [TS]

  ViewController upset like keeping it moving stuff around like I don't know if [TS]

  it's better or worse than the other place at six the actual thing that [TS]

  drives me nuts about smart of you controllers is as soon as you scroll at [TS]

  scrunched up and hides and you have to do something else to make it appear [TS]

  again before you can dismiss it that is the maddening family care where the [TS]

  button is because they are going to depend on one hand holding the thing [TS]

  with or whatever like there is no right position for the Done button and maybe I [TS]

  think what did they move it may be there were like well that's like with it back [TS]

  one is like an offside and even though this isn't a right to left navigation [TS]

  the thing that makes it go away should be a left turn up the ride I don't know [TS]

  that thing was but the bottom line is it still disappears as you start date and [TS]

  that is the real 30 criminal act and not the position of the done by me but you [TS]

  know the only thing I notice so far I've heard from a couple Apple people here in [TS]

  there that these were all pretty pretty substantial bugfix updates and that's [TS]

  good to hear you know kind of like when there is a significant update that [TS]

  appears to contain nothing new but is likely because that usually means a lot [TS]

  of bug fixes I would like to see them the change knows though like that's what [TS]

  I was looking for like shit show me all the bugs but they didn't think so now it [TS]

  improves performance and stability and they're not going to tell you like [TS]

  here's five hundred bugs that we fixed it news releases because they're not [TS]

  gonna make themselves look bad they do say some things like that you know fix [TS]

  this I feel like you know fix the bug caused whatever and whatever application [TS]

  something really obscure that could you get a list that are you not listening [TS]

  the other things that are equal in obscurity [TS]

  I didn't quite understand the political machine that determines what makes [TS]

  things being released because I do seized up the sometimes it's not just [TS]

  like performance-enhancing drugs is like some very specific things that which [TS]

  makes me think is there nothing else in that same specificity of this release [TS]

  surely there is i think it's a very sleepy are massaged to be very first of [TS]

  a very passive like you know fixes an issue in which certain people were [TS]

  affected by a certain you know we're behavior it's the used worrying and [TS]

  freezing to be just very passive very like this is kind of happened to us you [TS]

  know it's it's PR it's all PR [TS]

  yeah I agree John I didn't notice anything I've updated my iPad and my [TS]

  iPhone and iPhone updated my watch haven't noticed anything there so yeah [TS]

  we got their last 10 10 11 to update which those results also like they're [TS]

  like hey we added some pics for some bug in mail is something but I saw you Marco [TS]

  asking on Twitter into the void did they fix like USB audio USB stack [TS]

  specifically related audio and you got did you get any answers about that yet [TS]

  tipster said that that it was like they were there there are a lot of problems [TS]

  in our cap so far regarding the USB stack and as it relates to audio devices [TS]

  where a lot of times and I talked to a few people into this happens to them to [TS]

  it isn't just me or a lot of times I will have my audio device that I might [TS]

  play music through whatever just stopped working completely just like music just [TS]

  stops playing if you hit play and iTunes the time of the advanced like it's not [TS]

  even getting to the point of sending the buffer out and a new trial excited for [TS]

  different sound output devices and Mike it fails or you can select one or just [TS]

  disappears for a while and oftentimes fixed by just waiting like 10 minutes [TS]

  oftentimes fixed by rebooting very very strange apparently the the you the USB [TS]

  stack had a lot of changes done enough and so I've heard from various people [TS]

  including including [TS]

  hipster that that has been now fixed in the dot to release its at radii haven't [TS]

  actually thought it but I'm gonna start after the show [TS]

  do you have these problems only on your computer which is festooned with German [TS]

  audio [TS]

  I'm wondering if it's like you because you're exercising both the USB subsystem [TS]

  and the audio component of that more than I am but I've had the RUC problems [TS]

  but I also do almost zero things involving USB all I do is like a couple [TS]

  times we have played in my USB mic to this one Mac and that's it everything [TS]

  else is not I'm not unplug and plug things that don't have any other USB [TS]

  audio gear except this Mike and I have had no problems I'm wondering if it's [TS]

  because like you feel like you're actually use using the USB stack in a [TS]

  much more thorough way that I N during his problems I guess your control group [TS]

  would be like this computer if she's not messing with maybe she has made you go [TS]

  you too can you tell if that's because you are actually doing USB and audio [TS]

  stuff that's causing this [TS]

  the problem is the bug journeys reproducible just like kinda happens out [TS]

  of nowhere you know maybe once a week or every few days so it gets there's never [TS]

  any one thing that seems to trigger it so I have no idea but hopefully it's [TS]

  fixed and i'm looking forward to [TS]

  to seeing it is fixed at El Capitan very good for me it has not had any other [TS]

  real problems to speak but that's been embedded in a pretty annoying one I [TS]

  think I've seen more people like everyone somehow something will come [TS]

  across my tourist re-emerge something I'm blogging area my Apple should do a [TS]

  snow leopard lace or they just fix things are never as like to do that like [TS]

  10 11 is very as we talked about very snowy liberty where they didn't spend a [TS]

  lot of time on big new features they tried to do bug fixes discovery d kind [TS]

  of messed that up a little bit here we are 10112 not too long after 10 11 by [TS]

  the time the point to release comes to have dealt with the discovered he was [TS]

  granted which was hanging from your semi that was like oh they didn't fix I was [TS]

  very quickly took a long time to explain away but I'm telling him to come down to [TS]

  fourth time of saying that the major problems that were in 10 11 20 perhaps [TS]

  seem to have been a dress that's a reasonable timeline for almost any of [TS]

  these is by the point to three or four most of the stuff should be shipping out [TS]

  and the point for it like back in the day when he was 18 months or two years [TS]

  places but if if it turns out that ten eleven jus got the really big issues [TS]

  aside from the odd stuff which really has more to do with the server and the [TS]

  architecture and they can actually fixed by updating the OS what you said but [TS]

  anyway aside from that they really have shaken everything out that I feel like [TS]

  that is fully on a snow leopard e-type schedule people forget the snow leopard [TS]

  had some weird stuff in the 10 60 as well like everybody's does so I've been [TS]

  very happy with all CAPS so far I upgraded everything on the day was [TS]

  released I am while the point updates I haven't regretted it [TS]

  experience and no weirdness anywhere again other than I cloud stuff which I [TS]

  really like anything that involves servers I don't blame you entirely for [TS]

  that and really I mean honestly like it in for a while the max kind of felt [TS]

  neglected because I was taking all the glory on the time I'll do stuff and then [TS]

  Apple started doing these like massive changes to the MAC Tournament in the [TS]

  lion error and forward from that and it just are getting really weird and really [TS]

  bad and then you had like I think you are somebody was kind of the peak of [TS]

  Apple not only doing patent mediocre ideas on a lot of the Mac stuff but also [TS]

  starting to have really bad execution of a lot of it where is a so lucky and so [TS]

  many problems that was [TS]

  Leopard and Lion both had bad implications of everything to ensure [TS]

  fairness ok maybe just the odd releases but I feel like now we're going to the [TS]

  point where the the neglect in favor of working on iOS is actually helping the [TS]

  Mac most of the time because now it's like you can leave us alone and stop [TS]

  touching things and let us do our work on this pretty stable platform and you [TS]

  can go have your fun and iOS and we have to wait we have to watch out for is when [TS]

  they do one of these like kind of drive-by rewrites discovery D was one [TS]

  this USB subsystem in all caps seems to have been one certainly the disk utility [TS]

  in all caps 1 like they can do these drive-by rewrites where they for some [TS]

  reason they decide something needs to be dramatically rewritten or refractory [TS]

  designer ever and they do like an 80 percent job of it and then they just [TS]

  move on to other things and it leaves us this subsystem broken for awhile as long [TS]

  as we can minimize those times where that happens and they're leaving us [TS]

  mostly alone on the Mac I'm ok with that I like this is where we get our work [TS]

  done but this is this please don't mess it up please just leave us alone let it [TS]

  keep working please stop updating it every year and please doctor and two [TS]

  major like massive shift [TS]

  just please well like I said they're not doing those majorettes for their health [TS]

  like they're doing them for a reason and the only difference is they just have to [TS]

  actually execute well like I have launched his example in the path of life [TS]

  why the hell you replacing an it perfectly fine like every unit used it [TS]

  why do you think that your own thing is like second system syndromes creative [TS]

  bunch these awesome right and once he was buggy at first too but they did it [TS]

  they did it because the existing thing that filled that role didn't have the [TS]

  features they need it does they they executed it well enough that they didn't [TS]

  have to roll it back I know it's a low bar back most people didn't even notice [TS]

  it except for the fact that I wrote about a mile to a standard user like a [TS]

  lunch deal with that but I can tell you the original version much he had tons of [TS]

  bugs but they got it done well enough and they move for another example is i [TS]

  cum services which has had bugs I don't know how many fourteen years like [TS]

  they're mostly cosmetic maybe that's why they didn't get fixed but I can services [TS]

  would like corrupts cashes in some weird way and all your dock icons or shop all [TS]

  crazy and pixelated for just years and years and years and it's like obviously [TS]

  this isn't a quick bucks I'll be there is something architectural a wrong with [TS]

  icon services and someone needs to go in there with the big wire brush and say [TS]

  all right what the hell is going on I can services let me deal with this let [TS]

  me fix it and that took so many years to happen and honestly I wish they had [TS]

  tackled that sooner sometimes you have a subsystem they did it because it's super [TS]

  old and crusty and it's not even yours maybe it's like BS decode leftover and [TS]

  God knows when or because the first guy took a pass out at a crappy job and you [TS]

  know you wanna take another a second run out and do a better job that's what you [TS]

  have to do that the job of a slew of the core OS group I want them to continue [TS]

  doing that I just want them to do a better job like and I think they do a [TS]

  good job almost all the time and those term use I applauded the car esther was [TS]

  a great example see guys chorus is rewriting major components and doing a [TS]

  good job and improving things and fixing their bugs and Europe year making things [TS]

  better netting features why doesn't everybody else like say on the GUI TMR [TS]

  ever do that you know and the answer is like they have other other stakeholders [TS]

  let's say like people who care about aesthetics market [TS]

  in branding whereas people doing lunch D have nobody worried about ethics or [TS]

  branding anything like that but anyway I'm telling favor of them continuing to [TS]

  look at their OS two side but subsystems are really do for you there are really [TS]

  thorough spring cleaning or maybe a complete replacement with something new [TS]

  you just have to do it well enough that you don't have to roll it back when Vint [TS]

  Cerf complains about like I felt that the that's a low bar but that isn'ta [TS]

  given no I mean like I think modern apple with this incredibly relentless [TS]

  annual release schedule of everything all these different product lines that [TS]

  keep expanding at the even more product lines and having the engineering [TS]

  resources spread incredibly thin and constant moving around between things I [TS]

  feel like what we what we keep seeing from Apple is that they they don't seem [TS]

  to be incredibly good anymore at doing these big rewrites of subsystems are big [TS]

  new initiatives like their record is pretty bad weather they screwed up [TS]

  besides the sky every day Apple music is a big one like the USB one I would say [TS]

  success especially at this point to like if you haven't like a big refactoring [TS]

  and a big changes to of major subsystem and you get all the kinks worked out of [TS]

  a point to like that's probably pretty much all you can hope for like it that's [TS]

  a pretty good job I I still have faith in those groups to be able to do is in [TS]

  the early schedule you can debate about that but really if they're competent I [TS]

  think they mostly are all yearly schedule does is push push feature that [TS]

  take more than one release out farther because every release has a certain [TS]

  amount of overhead associated with it and the more releases you have it like [TS]

  say you want to do a feature and like I know this features too big to fit into [TS]

  one release them but you don't you think of something else I know this feature is [TS]

  too big to fit into one release how do I do this project at Apple and I would say [TS]

  you can do that probably just fine you just have to have been a multi-year plan [TS]

  if you think a year and a half we're not going to cut it released in the year and [TS]

  a half years going to be in the two-year once you know this the overhead of each [TS]

  release the dads to just you know is just overhead just adds to the work [TS]

  everybody has to do [TS]

  and then your schedule just get pushed out really early releases is simply a [TS]

  matter of good management software they can what's above the line what's below [TS]

  the line what fits in this really what what doesn't and if you do a good job [TS]

  done keeping things in and putting them out i mean you could even say discovered [TS]

  he was the problem of that and not as if they did a bad job discovered even [TS]

  during the meetings when they say what's in and what's that pretend 10 someone [TS]

  should have said we really want to do launched in this discovery in this one [TS]

  but it's it's not just not yet it booted to 10 11 12 you just keep taking it down [TS]

  the road like that in the exercise you could have it till you get down to a [TS]

  certain point where the overhead dwarfs the amount of time you have you could [TS]

  have six months releases if you want it it's all just a matter of how you draw [TS]

  the line for you know sort of project manager parlance what's in and what's [TS]

  out for the way to go what's the radio was not ready to go so I think having an [TS]

  organization that discipline in that way I think like a tributary Creek they read [TS]

  your whoever like they went from the sort of loosey-goosey artistic will [TS]

  release TOS when it's ready Steve Jobs kind of let's figure it out [TS]

  type of thing too much more regimented we're going to put ourselves on a yearly [TS]

  schedule we're gonna be disciplined about that it's that is much more sort [TS]

  of you know a business 101 like we should be able to do this if we if we [TS]

  are inefficient good organization it shouldn't be like well I don't really [TS]

  know in the next coming out it whenever it's done and you know well the iPhone [TS]

  has taken some time with leopards gonna be a little later released every year [TS]

  and stuff doesn't make it doesn't make it but you know the train is leaving the [TS]

  station with or without you I think doing that inside Apple was a really [TS]

  good decision they're just working on like what needs to fit in it and those [TS]

  releases and what else get updated watching updated big news actually that [TS]

  is sort of big news real-time follow up for myself I didn't notice any watch OS [TS]

  updates except I went to kick off the workflow I have to tell Aaron I'm on my [TS]

  way home so this is using the workflow app and it will figure out the driving [TS]

  time from where I am to the house and then [TS]

  you up a text message for Aaron saying I'll be home in like 15 minutes or [TS]

  whatever they used to be on the watch that I would kick off that workflow and [TS]

  I would have to do handoff to actually send the text message but now I can run [TS]

  that workflow and it is capable sending the text message from the watch which is [TS]

  super exciting I know you're I know you're both really happy that that that [TS]

  has changed to watch it they take so long my questions such a small device at [TS]

  a store what is it doing honestly I think it's because the watch is just [TS]

  really slow I mean CPU I seems to be roughly one level of an iPhone 3G s and [TS]

  if you look you look at like deep bench iOS benchmarks by keeping standard [TS]

  iPhone 3G s is about 16 times lower than iPhone success if you think about like [TS]

  the kind of thing it's doing it's running on president at sixteen times [TS]

  lower than we're accustomed to now granted it's a simple OS I'm sure the [TS]

  patching process simpler etcetera but keep that in mind as the baseline of [TS]

  like everything that it does it has to Pacha CPU is going through something 16 [TS]

  times lower than iPhone success story started going to be slower to I wonder [TS]

  what the bottleneck is the bottleneck the CPU is about storage help maybe to [TS]

  politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [TS]

  politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [TS]

  the wireless connection of receiving the update from who knows what it's a lot of [TS]

  things but I think primarily it's because the CPUs you so incredibly slow [TS]

  but mostly I honestly like your thinking about like there's there's been rumors [TS]

  of the second watch coming out possibly even as soon as the spring that radical [TS]

  since last we came out last spring and there there's been rumors about what it [TS]

  might be the biggest one is that it might have FaceTime camera which sounds [TS]

  terrible to me honestly it sound like you would want to be on either end of [TS]

  that conversation but it is what is a little bit disappointing is that I [TS]

  haven't heard anything about it being faster all the rumors are about facing [TS]

  cameras on wifi abilities and I hope they can make it faster because I had a [TS]

  lot of trouble figuring out like how to really use the waters beyond the watch [TS]

  face anything involving apps or even glance on the watch I have gotten very [TS]

  little in to end and part of it is because it's just so incredibly slow to [TS]

  do pretty much anything so if the watch gets a lot faster over the next few [TS]

  years I think that will change what we can do with it dramatically I think it [TS]

  will really make a lot more useful for a lot of different like third-party app [TS]

  abilities were right now you do anything on the watch right now and it's takes so [TS]

  long that you're taking up my phone for that kind of sad that the watch like it [TS]

  if the washer to come out an error before my iPhone 6 caliber devices that [TS]

  are just so much fast there maybe wouldn't have as much as compared to [TS]

  what I was I was going to make the comparison the iPhone memory iPhone came [TS]

  out it was a responsive but was it really compared to a net people to these [TS]

  videos like here's an iPhone 1 vs 16 and what's your response and they really did [TS]

  do an amazing job at keeping the iPhone responses but it seems like they they [TS]

  couldn't they couldn't get that kind of perceptive you know received [TS]

  responsiveness in the water just because you're always constantly comparing it to [TS]

  your iPhone 6 which is a bazillion times more powerful yet especially watch get [TS]

  in the first time doing that the remote app thing that just made it even worse [TS]

  so you write the watch does the watch feel slow although when I think of like [TS]

  oh the next version of the watch and we talked about that thank you for the [TS]

  watch need to be as far as I'm concerned other than software being faster thinner [TS]

  just seems like this should be an apples wheelhouse like they're good at making [TS]

  things right and and never will be but maybe not in the next version right but [TS]

  eventually be thinner so we can look forward to the the the Apple watch for [TS]

  that is thinner and faster and now we really started talking and still doesn't [TS]

  necessarily mean you know having spent time with the washing everything I still [TS]

  am not entirely convinced that there is a way you know no matter how fast it was [TS]

  that there is something useful you can do it to watch that is happy in the same [TS]

  way that the phone things are happy I I mostly think of it as I would like to go [TS]

  near a device or into a room or into a place or at a certain time and have the [TS]

  watch look and behave differently based on that so I don't have to mess with it [TS]

  mostly the thing I do is look at the watch and when I look at it because of [TS]

  your area or what time it is or what has happened somewhere else it shows me [TS]

  something that is useful right whether it's a sit down in front of my TV and [TS]

  pick up my rest and I can talk into it uses a series that are hard to find the [TS]

  remote or like when it's time to go I just look at my watch and it tells me [TS]

  the proactive traffic thing like I'm not getting into touching my watch i'm not [TS]

  swiping on it I'm not using digital crown on that pushing buttons are gonna [TS]

  just pushing buttons like the one interaction that are alike with it is [TS]

  double tap and use it as the two do Apple pay cause I don't have to look at [TS]

  the watch that I can feel for the buck double tap that I'm still underneath the [TS]

  sleep in my code I can even see it with it so far that is the most convincing [TS]

  interacts with the washer me and I like like you Marco I'm never like I'm never [TS]

  using that interface with like as if it's tiny phone even even for like three [TS]

  seconds no I mean to me I agree with everything you basically said it's like [TS]

  whenever I'm using the watch it is mostly about quickly glancing at it for [TS]

  the watch to tell me something I am hardly ever touching the watch interact [TS]

  with it on any level really and if I am and maybe one tap or something it's you [TS]

  know very little because [TS]

  if you're going to use the watch for more than about three seconds to do [TS]

  anything it feel like a failure [TS]

  feels like oh I I kind of regret that I should have gone to my phone for this [TS]

  oftentimes you don't need to I mean oftentimes one who like so much about [TS]

  the watch is getting notifications on it but a lot of times I have to take my [TS]

  phone anyway to act on those indications or to even read the whole thing so it's [TS]

  a little bit of a mix peg leg it is nice in theory and sometimes it really is [TS]

  really nice but in practice I have to keep taking my phone out anyway the more [TS]

  the watch can do faster for you without you text me to do anything to it and if [TS]

  you do need to touch it the more can do in very fast response to that sucks the [TS]

  better it is as a product and it doesn't feel like an app platform in a [TS]

  traditional way at all it feels like Apple tried to wedge in a platform onto [TS]

  it and maybe they just didn't realize how it wouldn't really work I think you [TS]

  have to give those capabilities even if those apps like things were talking [TS]

  about could be powered by apps apps are given sufficient powers I think it's [TS]

  kind of like you just have to make the API and see if someone you know they [TS]

  don't know what's going to be like without you don't know what kind of [TS]

  people who make good that Apple is predicted like an angry bird style game [TS]

  would be such a big hit because the touch controls on plane back to little [TS]

  slingshot and everything you just have to kind of get smart to make it a [TS]

  platform whether you could figure out what's going to be the at the work on it [TS]

  or not the more capabilities give people you know no try everything things that [TS]

  don't work like it's not gonna hear back someone tried it [TS]

  sale by its good to have a big open space to experiment it could be that it [TS]

  ends up the none of those things work or could be the Apple has exposed the right [TS]

  capabilities to the apps like if you can imagine a much more powerful watch that [TS]

  gives Absa wariness of like where you are if you're near Apple TV or like sort [TS]

  of background I processing so that third party apps could do any of those things [TS]

  that I assist ride than third party app so have the capability to figure out [TS]

  what people do and don't want from it [TS]

  and you know like I think if you don't make it a platform that it's coming on [TS]

  Apple to figure out every possible thing you could do with useful if you do make [TS]

  it a platform everybody can try all sorts of things most of which were fail [TS]

  and she will figure out what's good for I think so I think it was smart to make [TS]

  it a platform but so far everything people tried including Apple has been [TS]

  like no that's not it [TS]

  keep keep trying to the custom complications I think was a fairly big [TS]

  success because those are things that you know you glance at it tell you stuff [TS]

  but that's a very small success so we're still kind of waiting [TS]

  yeah my update on by the way not being a white person you know I just only things [TS]

  on my wrist and the winter's made it worse because now I have you know [TS]

  heavier coat that I kind of interferes with you know that the heavier coat [TS]

  sleeves and anything long sleeved is not that pleasant and gloves and over and my [TS]

  guess is making it more annoying so I had a couple of days over the past few [TS]

  weeks when I realized I never looked at my watch I put it on the morning to go [TS]

  to work at took it off and homework and during the entire time at work but never [TS]

  vibrated I never looked at it I guess I ignored the stand things or maybe I [TS]

  didn't feel the more I don't know why did you even put it onto a CD and look [TS]

  at it and so now I have it feels really uncomfortable when Jack in my clothes [TS]

  and i know i had days where did it all go now a few days I've decided you know [TS]

  I'm not wearing today so I don't know if I'm slowly like a again it doesn't take [TS]

  much to make me not wanna wear it because I am so not a watch person so I [TS]

  may that's my new thing now instead of putting on every time I remember [TS]

  sometimes I remember to put it on and I choose not to so that's you know I'm not [TS]

  as bad for the watch I was not a wise person and the operation make me a lot [TS]

  person I still think it looks nice I still like wearing it sometimes if I was [TS]

  going to like go out on the town or walk around the city or go I would definitely [TS]

  wear it because I think it would earn its keep then but four days when I just [TS]

  can't get into the office and center front of my computer all day and come [TS]

  home sometimes it doesn't earn its keep yeah I'm gonna see I I mention I'm [TS]

  getting a mechanical watch this Christmas and I'm gonna try [TS]

  at day today for a while and just see like you know my eye I do like having a [TS]

  walk a lot now but I don't know if I like it just because I like the fashion [TS]

  ability and time [TS]

  aspects of it but I'm a special staring at like you look at the operator screen [TS]

  all day at the times that you're hiding the menu bar and noticed an enduring [TS]

  that are you know but I'm not only have my computer I wish I was but somehow I [TS]

  think you're Irish picture where is my car right now [TS]

  computer I wish your in line for tickets out sometimes and if its new york online [TS]

  yeah yeah but no I mean the reality is you know I have a lifetime ban around [TS]

  every family have a house in order to get your hands out every day so you know [TS]

  what time it is [TS]

  yeah I'm not around a lot and I i have been totally converted now I love having [TS]

  the time of my wrist and do that yet rated [TS]

  totally new idea yeah so I love that now but I i'm gona C cos there's also a lot [TS]

  about the Apple I don't really care for and so I'm gonna see like you know I am [TS]

  i watch person or online a polite person so I now know that if this week we think [TS]

  they said Rep response this week [TS]

  Backblaze casper and Squarespace and we'll see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

  case because it was accidental and Marco [TS]

  I'm going to assume Marco you did not get $40 timex what is it Speedmaster [TS]

  whatever it is that I used to wear No [TS]

  you know that would be more intelligent thing to do if you want to just try out [TS]

  wearing a large shopping and Mike tiffany's there it's jewellery and also [TS]

  jewellery as people tell me I mispronounce it maybe there's one thing [TS]

  to enter anyway yeah you're shopping for a lot of the shop is like I find these [TS]

  watches are you never gonna buy you gonna find one that looks nice to you [TS]

  and then after that it's like ok looks nice but is it terribly uncomfortable [TS]

  nowhere and so on and so forth but yeah and honestly I I have found very few [TS]

  watches in like most likely the big brands like Rolex immediately there were [TS]

  very few of those that i've seen that I thought I would like that forever reason [TS]

  it most well-respected mechanical watches just their design aesthetics [TS]

  does not mess with me at all like I I just don't get it you know it doesn't do [TS]

  anything for me a lot of them they seem like they're like made for like diving [TS]

  there's so many of these big one of these like 10 mechanical watches that [TS]

  are just like made for a like racing and diving and stuff like that their boats [TS]

  are really made for that well but they look like that maybe people who would [TS]

  like to think of themselves as someone who might go racing or dive but never [TS]

  actually well right but then they have all this garbage all over the face and [TS]

  it's like i don't know what that I i want something that just looks nice and [TS]

  simple it's like the non-functional hood scoop on cars everything has connected [TS]

  to anything was like if you had something that you know to have fresh [TS]

  air forced into it that might make your engine more powerful you don't have one [TS]

  of those but we can put a hold your head anyway and you'll feel cool so the watch [TS]

  that I was referring to the cheapo watch that you should get is not the [TS]

  Speedmaster I'm tryna get angry emails about that it's the Timex [TS]

  weekender and I will put a link into the chat in the show notes this is what I [TS]

  used to wear not this exact but not this band but it was the same face this was [TS]

  used to watch it's a delightful simple classic watch that's honestly that's [TS]

  nice I like that it's $25 in like the band the band is techno the band is [TS]

  terrible i different than the interface is nice it's a nice watch so you could [TS]

  try out your new found love of something else that's expensive in frivolous with [TS]

  this $25 watch but now because it's Marco you gonna get something expensive [TS]

  in frivolous that's right all those big expensive I specimens like you said [TS]

  Casey did like the style for many fancy watches has just been to like to be like [TS]

  just giant hunks of metal like I already find anything I marathon comfortable and [TS]

  you just gonna make it worse by being filled it really heavy like hard jagged [TS]

  lumpy medal just came to think about and and I have to risk and have weird shape [TS]

  wrist watches enough sooner by a pocket watch you know what I would buy a pocket [TS]

  watch a play which is another reference you guys don't get I would buy that but [TS]

  I would not buy regular watch and we all have our vices and yeah I guess Mark [TS]

  Anderson in here in need of another one did you figure out headphones now you [TS]

  think about coffee figure out headphones may need some historic on the hunt for [TS]

  headphones never satisfied so he's a new one comes out here we think this promise [TS]

  maybe this will be the one that is lighter than my other phone but also [TS]

  sounds good but has a better record that doesn't flake out but this but that like [TS]

  like me and toasters [TS]

  like me and toasters [TS]

  the only question is are we gonna make Brent Simmons angry with the comma [TS]

  splice in Haryana battery you can make it a semicolon you can make it a period [TS]

  when you leave another comment the comma splice but I do like it's an informal [TS]

  and since it is a someone speaking you could consider it someone speaking [TS]

  sometimes people speak and things that are not sentences I definitely would not [TS]

  do a semicolon because that's just is wrong I mean I know it's Brantley right [TS]

  but I just hate them like as unprincipled like ever [TS]

  not never but it takes a lot to be really really worth it what does it take [TS]

  to really be the right thing to use their and like there has to be no good [TS]

  alternatives like that's why I really rarely use semicolons they don't like [TS]

  them so that every period Harry M paradigm but I just leave us a comment [TS]

  that you have two periods and hearing Empyrean about a period since I also so [TS]

  what does leave the comment there was a dare brain to go ahead and get us the [TS]

  entire internet wrote in to tell us that there is already a lightning to [TS]

  headphone jack adapter which is not at all useful if you're anywhere other than [TS]

  your death but in the defense of the entire internet we were talking mostly [TS]

  about using this sort of adapter of work is used to Pakistan music all day long [TS]

  Apple sells a lightning to headphone jack adapter with Pastor lightning for [TS]

  charging it's the $40 lightning dock which I believe came out recently didn't [TS]

  but that's got like a deck in it and that's for like the digital the [TS]

  headphones it take digital audio over the lighting like it's not really [TS]

  relevant were discussing which was that they replaced the headphone jack with [TS]

  lightning port and still wanted to support regular plain old analog [TS]

  headphones with it with an adapter that did not require you know any signal [TS]

  conversion just you know being a medal passed through to the the audio pins of [TS]

  the head and that's not what the lighting doctors so how would you [TS]

  describe lightning dock instead then it it is basically a thing to let you both [TS]

  plug in the current crop of lightning [TS]

  potable headphones and also a charter the same one way or another this is not [TS]

  the sort of thing that we would expect one to take running around with them as [TS]

  they're trying to use the to adapt Lightning to a regular headphone jack [TS]

  this would serve the purpose for desk use but not for mobile use and that's [TS]

  mostly what we were talking about last episode but yes we wanted to publicly [TS]

  acknowledge on behalf of the entire internet who wrote into us that we are [TS]

  aware that the success so Eric Michaels over had a little bit of feedback with [TS]

  regard to see why else you would want to use the lightning port for audio he [TS]

  pointed out that noise cancelling headphones don't need their own battery [TS]

  or any other charging mechanism because they can just draw power right off the [TS]

  lightning port much like a pencil doesn't mean I want to like do you [TS]

  really want your noise cancelling headphones sucking power from your phone [TS]

  maybe maybe not [TS]

  extra battery power and the phones might as well use it practically bursting out [TS]

  of the phone is so much [TS]

  well played [TS]

  get there and then I have no idea who were attributing this to a max called [TS]

  Amex ok and he or she said that USB Type C already supports analog audio check [TS]

  out Appendix A in the spec and we will link to the spectrum show notes John I [TS]

  believe you folded some passages here would like to share that with the group [TS]

  that aspect by the way the PDF like relating to the page that has the PDF [TS]

  download the PDF and find this been in Appendix A [TS]

  you will find that comes out of his last time I like I said one of the advantages [TS]

  of lightning is that if Apple wants to add support for plain old analog audio [TS]

  either by adding this to weird side context that I seem to remember seeing [TS]

  someone I still can't find or just by repurposing the pins be the whole deal [TS]

  with lightning as you can use a different things for different purposes [TS]

  not sort of hard wired so to speak to do a particular thing that Apple has the [TS]

  flexibility to wait for the USB committee or whatever to agree but it [TS]

  turns out USBC already supports analog [TS]

  I should have figured that since it's an old standard if you have your USB see [TS]

  connector and audio adapter accessory mode it just takes a certain number of [TS]

  pins in the USB uses them for the same exact signals takeover 3159 headphone [TS]

  jack so that's already support years BC and the other thing I found that I USBC [TS]

  relevant our conversation last time about whether Apple was all in lightning [TS]

  or they were going to eventually switched to ABC NBC is bigger than my [TS]

  shows how many years BC device I have in my house I'm pretty sure I have zero [TS]

  maybe I have won let her know about it somewhere but I don't have an idea of [TS]

  what they like but looking it up online afterwards he just bc is slightly bigger [TS]

  and that pretty much dooms [TS]

  never switch to it because they're going to be like well lighting is smaller so I [TS]

  we have a special I think so I think we're in it for the long haul for [TS]

  lightning even though USBC apparently already supports and all I've got a new [TS]

  could definitely make that passive connector thing for old style headphones [TS]

  if you're using your SBC exxon speaking of USB and in this case USB 3 we are now [TS]

  getting usb3 speeds from the new lightning testy to sdcard camera reader [TS]

  that came out just in the last couple of days we record and for the iPad pro you [TS]

  get the USB 3 speeds on that that's pretty exciting I've never actually used [TS]

  when these two does have one of them I have two USB one which I used for like [TS]

  audio purposes which is actually it's totally undocumented thing they can do i [TS]

  plug in a lot of USB audio interfaces to it and have different sound to put your [TS]

  outlets for your iOS devices and actually has more than iPhones and iPads [TS]

  basically forever but my father and I used the sdcard one for a little while [TS]

  on his iPad it's it was fine it was ok [TS]

  interests me most about these USB 3 speed and iPad Pro is for people like me [TS]

  maybe I'm wearing this who still hook up their iOS devices to one of their big [TS]

  computers and do an encrypted local backup instead of just relying on the [TS]

  iCloud backup it takes so long to do it speeds so like eight USB 3 speeds when [TS]

  doing a local backup to my computer through iTunes I would really appreciate [TS]

  that even for my dinky 32 and 64 [TS]

  devices let alone 128 gig iPad 40 so I'm assuming you have on Marco I'm assuming [TS]

  the if you were to hook it up to your Mac with the USB cable would still be [TS]

  USB two speeds as far as I know but I think all the existing lightning to USB [TS]

  cables I think I'll USB two cables so I I don't think that's doable yet but [TS]

  hopefully over time they will be solved just in time for people to stop [TS]

  overthinking things that computers well I don't have you ever stopped because [TS]

  like as people who've ever restored from iCloud can attest such a super pain oh [TS]

  yeah I will still do it and it will still do it but you know I think we are [TS]

  we are already in the extreme minority there but that's the accessory lady [TS]

  release forget about this whole you know like the exciting thing was like wow the [TS]

  lightning port supports USB 3 speeds but only in the iPad pro and surely that [TS]

  will trickle down and that'll be great but I don't want St card reader I want [TS]

  thing that plugs into my computer for it if what it's worth I actually put this [TS]

  on my Christmas list for this year I don't know if I would necessarily it you [TS]

  know it's it's a great gift because it's a sort of thing I wouldn't necessarily [TS]

  buy for myself but hey if somebody handed it to me that'd be pretty awesome [TS]

  in the reason I want one is because there are probably going to come times [TS]

  when I'm traveling with our Micro Four Thirds camera I didn't decide to bring a [TS]

  laptop with me and I only have my iPad and I could connect the camera to the [TS]

  iPad by way of wifi but it's actually surprisingly slow to do it that way and [TS]

  so I think it would be a lot easier to just pull the sdcard of the camera and [TS]

  attach it to the iPad or phone for that matter in suck some pictures off their [TS]

  that way in order to you know post on Instagram or maybe just send to friends [TS]

  or family or what have you so I'm curious to see if I end up getting this [TS]

  for Christmas and if I do I'll report back but I agree with you mark over by [TS]

  and large that it's not a lot of people that would want this but I kinda want [TS]

  one because I think it would be useful [TS]

  kind of a testament to the crappiness of wireless we talked about the last year [TS]

  about like his wifi above the level of laziness but how many people use wi-fi [TS]

  syncing to iTunes maybe that's not my wife I just like my tunes because [TS]

  there's so much but even like cameras you know so many cameras have wifi [TS]

  stupid I thought I think like the sdcard with wi-fi built-in [TS]

  forever and it looks like the next this one the new model is finally the good [TS]

  one and it never is for a bit for the cameras for the cameras that have built [TS]

  in WiFi support like that's what you want you want that and you also want to [TS]

  work but you want until you try it [TS]

  yeah I know but like what's the problem wifi itself technologically speaking is [TS]

  an OK technology like you know we all use wireless devices are in our house [TS]

  and they moralist maintain a connection and we get reasonable speeds based on [TS]

  what we think the signal strength when we have a super expensive camera 30 [TS]

  inches away from a super expensive iPad dealing with the best way we have to [TS]

  talk to them is to open up the camera in a little water proof or water resistant [TS]

  compartment put this tiny little card played with little thing into the [TS]

  Lightning poor childless just you're right there guys you both have radios [TS]

  you both like what's what's the problem here is it because camera manufacturers [TS]

  don't know what to do [TS]

  wifi stacks I don't know what the deal is but it said well they all have their [TS]

  own apps basically it's like like my camera's built-in wifi finally took me [TS]

  years to finally get one that had that and but in order to use it I have to [TS]

  install Sony is dumb Apple iPhone which works about a third of the time and when [TS]

  you do finally get to work you can I regret that you got to work till it's [TS]

  over and so slow and it is actually actually been faster to just take the [TS]

  car out of the camera and shoved into this thing is to be the wifi thing feels [TS]

  barbaric though taking it does hard and putting them together i think im using a [TS]

  VCR but it's it's faster I fully agree my Olympus it isn't that the app is [TS]

  relatively reliable but it is astonishingly slow to transfer pictures [TS]

  between the camera and the and the phone or the iPad and it's very very [TS]

  frustrating now that the app is nice and that for general things like it'll let [TS]

  me geotag based on what the phone is doing so it'll take a lot of all the [TS]

  places I go when all the time stamp someone not mentally ill send those to [TS]

  the phone and then geotag all the pictures on the phone [TS]

  tease me send us the camera and algae attack on the pictures on the camera [TS]

  which I really like on the occasions were not just staying put somewhere and [TS]

  it also lets you do you like a remote viewfinder sort of things so much like [TS]

  you can with the watch in the phone it'll let you take pictures remotely [TS]

  which is really nice if you're too socially awkward to say to somebody hey [TS]

  can you take our picture but I cannot say enough how awfully slow days to [TS]

  transfer pictures and because of that I agree with you mark I just end up taking [TS]

  the damn card out of the out of the Cameron putting it in a computer right [TS]

  and we have some good news this week our long national nightmare is over and we [TS]

  now have an Apple Remote app for iOS that works with the new Apple TV which [TS]

  would be more exciting to me if I had a new Apple TV [TS]

  well we don't have a my understanding haven't tested this from my [TS]

  understanding is not as if they released a new version they're not up the works [TS]

  that will TV it's the opposite the recently released a new version of the [TS]

  Apple TV iOS that makes the existing remote app work with it is that correct [TS]

  based on your understanding or experimentation oh I didn't try it I [TS]

  thought that was correct i mean i think they did eventually release a new iPhone [TS]

  app as well but I think before they even released in over a month now but I read [TS]

  was that if you just updated the TV OS you're not at work with it even before [TS]

  they release the eventual remote app update yeah that was the idea for all of [TS]

  us for the setup stuff and this still promises of like the real remote app you [TS]

  know let you swipe around on your phone like the touchpad using accelerometers [TS]

  and just basically be a replay a full-fledged replacement for the new [TS]

  Apple TV remote rather than just please for the love of God give us an on-screen [TS]

  keyboard to type on with their fingers instead of having to sway back and forth [TS]

  on a number line or the latter liner at work on that thing so interesting leave [TS]

  for whatever it's worth [TS]

  we recently bought a ps4 meaning yesterday so I got a chance to try you [TS]

  know what is what is the current well recent ish effort at a regular on-screen [TS]

  keyboard by using social dumping before I read that you can just plug in USB [TS]

  keyboard but happy the president but for the first time the president using their [TS]

  their little built in thing and just using the built-in keyboard with their [TS]

  controller and the D pad and a couple of buttons on the shoulder buttons to do [TS]

  like you know [TS]

  done in my god it's so much better like I was able to enter text so much faster [TS]

  in this regular on-screen keyboard using a regular dpad that I've never used [TS]

  before then I was then I still am today on the new Apple TV that I've been using [TS]

  now for like a month or something I'll give you a pro temp do not use the dpad [TS]

  suffered through like a barbarian using a deep at the keyboard you get one [TS]

  finger or thumb on the touchpad on the ps4 controller and one for your thumb on [TS]

  the X button to select away when a faster oh my god it's so much faster [TS]

  is a is a big river tangle the middle yeah that's the big hit the big thing in [TS]

  the middle of control no doubt you'll find out any games that it is as well [TS]

  but anyway now I won't if it is it is so much easier because I like it's not a [TS]

  great track pad at like the one on Casey's down like you know it's a crappy [TS]

  one but it's so much better than going downtown right up up down down he's you [TS]

  could basically just messing around with top tap tap [TS]

  just feel so much more freeing being constrained by the grid-like unit run [TS]

  game trying to put light cycles to get around to honestly I mean I think what [TS]

  made it so much faster for me it rather than the way the the Apple TV one of [TS]

  them beside the fact that it had more than one row Apple but I think so much [TS]

  faster is that you can kind of like when you have this digital input method of [TS]

  the deep at you you can just know it go over for up to you to do it it's so [TS]

  precise that I was able to flip through things really quickly on that and we [TS]

  were actually I made I think I made one mistake in the entire setup process on [TS]

  Apple TV icon to hit the wrong letter constantly yeah good thing is that [TS]

  they're sort of you know Smart Auto suggestion stuff like the you know the [TS]

  stuff from Android that Apple copied in iOS like the job of the keyboard a [TS]

  series of words appears when I'm sending messages to people related to destiny [TS]

  like i guess i basically the first letter word and it knows what we're [TS]

  trying to write [TS]

  just selected from the group reads like the things on to the next verse letter [TS]

  and it's like you like to send out a message as it is I should just look at [TS]

  the keyboard because it's so painful to try to do with the pad but the auto [TS]

  correction then you don't say a lot through the interface to send orange [TS]

  juice a row is the first suggestion so it's it's it's pretty good but you [TS]

  definitely do check out the touchpad is a little bit awkward to hold it till [TS]

  like weeks I have my thumb on the touchpad and my other ex pundits like [TS]

  the key is the kind of weird how to add the shelters but it's really great and [TS]

  then you have a correction I believe John from last upset yeah I made an [TS]

  offhand remark about the swift and foundation again getting the NSP fix how [TS]

  you know currently you can a lot of the API's you can use strings and a strings [TS]

  and they will convert between each other and I referred to that is like a free [TS]

  bridging thing or toll-free bridging or is your across bridge and whatever is [TS]

  not zero cost with System foundation bridging is not toll free I was thinking [TS]

  of you told her bridging between core foundation foundation to me for that [TS]

  anyway just to clear that up [TS]

  response this week by Backblaze gonna pack plays dot com slash ATP for [TS]

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  them I used them this is online backup you need an online backup it is such a [TS]

  great insurance policy against all sorts of possible problems that could happen [TS]

  losses fires floods left computer problems corruption just human error [TS]

  there's all sorts of problems that can affect you that you need back ups and if [TS]

  you're gonna have backups you should have more than one back you know my my [TS]

  preferred solution here is to have one or two local backups time machine is a [TS]

  great example time machine is very useful so things like super duper clones [TS]

  but there's always a need for something off site something that is automatically [TS]

  sending your files somewhere else somewhere secure and that is what back [TS]

  plz offers I have tried many other cloud backup providers I've always come back [TS]

  to back losses being the best I have seen by a long shot [TS]

  they have over a hundred and fifty petabytes of customer data backed up the [TS]

  restored over ten billion files in our customers [TS]

  and you can access your data anywhere so I actually recently did this because [TS]

  online back at them online copy of all your files you can do things like [TS]

  retrieve a file when you're on vacation if you need a file to go to a file it [TS]

  only on your computer at home you can use back to get there to get it wherever [TS]

  you are by using their mobile app for iOS or Android it is a fantastic service [TS]

  I use it my wife uses my mom used that so many people use back please it is [TS]

  found has a highly recommended [TS]

  all this you get online backup with all these features all the security all the [TS]

  peace of mind Online Backup can provide for just five bucks a month for computer [TS]

  and that no matter how many thousands of this is truly unlimited five bucks a [TS]

  month I have I think three terabytes from my computer my wife has something [TS]

  like five terabyte Reuters it is incredible all this unlimited storage [TS]

  any directly connected drivers including your back up for just five bucks a month [TS]

  and it's unpopular upload speeds will take your files as fast as you let them [TS]

  take them it is great love that please go to backpage.com / ATP for the best [TS]

  online backup I've ever used its alright so apple released a thing this week and [TS]

  everyone's upset about it I kind of AM this kind of AM see you guys they've [TS]

  released the iPhone 6 s smart battery case Panamera unfair to the pan-american [TS]

  the Panamera has a fairly continue with the back of the car to its it's big and [TS]

  it's awkward the shape than profile but it's not as if this is a closer to the [TS]

  bangle trunk on the seven Series remember that one [TS]

  that's fair that's where this looks like they just shipped and engineering [TS]

  prototype yet come it does they were assigned hey can you make this like this [TS]

  weekend just make something that works and somebody got the wrong memo and [TS]

  shipped it as a real product so it's described this for people with the show [TS]

  our disconnect in time imagine and I thought success with Apple silicone case [TS]

  on it with 20% battery life [TS]

  3 o'clock in the afternoon give it a chin so so take the the battery case an [TS]

  extended downwards little bit and so like that it's got an extra training and [TS]

  I don't worry about why for now and then on the back of the phone take like I [TS]

  don't know maybe seven made no maybe 15 playing cards from the deck of cards put [TS]

  it in there and then slather it with so there's a lump on the back of this bone [TS]

  shaped like a rectangle a rounded rectangle that is smaller than the back [TS]

  of the phone it is both narrower than the phone and significantly shorter than [TS]

  the phone so there are edges of what looked like just a plain old iPhone [TS]

  success in a silicon case with the chin poking out all around us and it looks [TS]

  very strange because most other battery is mostly third-party better cases that [TS]

  i've seen [TS]

  trying to put like a sort of smooth hump on the back of thing he did they try to [TS]

  just make it to be really thin and make it look like is that actually better [TS]

  case or is that just like a really thick case you can't even tell where you can [TS]

  totally tell us like a bar of soap but it's essentially a smooth curve over the [TS]

  entire backs ever this phone top to bottom left to right edge and this is [TS]

  the first better case I can see that does not do that does not try to make a [TS]

  big curve over the back and also doesn't try to be so that it looks like it's out [TS]

  of battery case it looks like there is there is a rectangular thing hiding [TS]

  inside the back of your iPhone case [TS]

  yeah it's been so so when USA it's bad what you're saying is it's ugly but [TS]

  you're basically getting it well yeah I mean Yes it somebody told you had a time [TS]

  that hey apples to make a battery case what you would imagine in your head [TS]

  would be very different than this you know because like we expect Apple stuff [TS]

  to be [TS]

  minimum decent looking oftentimes at the expense of functionality these days with [TS]

  unfortunate but obviously expect the nurse you expect you know kind of smooth [TS]

  lines nice curves in a minimal design aesthetic and and this this is none of [TS]

  those things it's like he doesn't look anything like Apple designed it if you [TS]

  would have seen this in a weird store window on the streets of Manhattan you [TS]

  have assumed was a knock off like it if they were [TS]

  it does not look like an Apple product and in in the role of battery cases [TS]

  there is no option in a battery case that doesn't look like crap in some way [TS]

  they all my crap in some way what about the really thin ones the ones that are [TS]

  like it did you can tell they're better get back to it just looks like I might [TS]

  just be a regular case I think those look pretty good but one exception and [TS]

  I'll get to in the second my type but I think it yesterday this thing but but I [TS]

  think it's you can't say they're all like a lot of them to make the font [TS]

  bigger but the really thin ones that just gave you like a little bit more [TS]

  battery look pretty good yeah I would agree with that brand by the way those [TS]

  usually give more better than this but anyway there are some that look ok [TS]

  Amazon pages like there there's an anchor ultra-slim that I can if you look [TS]

  in the wall street journal review the schedule an externship there's a picture [TS]

  of three and they were they were the Apple on there is one from Anchor if [TS]

  there was a movie or there are some other in the middle and he would think [TS]

  that in in their review of the Apple battery case in a comparison photo next [TS]

  to these like way cheaper way higher capacity cases from these brands that [TS]

  are not known for great design especially like anchors are known for [TS]

  being rude utilitarian and being good value but you're not exactly for like [TS]

  stunningly good design you would you would assume that the Apple option in [TS]

  that photo should obviously be the best looking one and you probably assume that [TS]

  it would be the most expensive and you'd be right you probably wouldn't have the [TS]

  best capacity and you'd be right but to see it not even be the best looking one [TS]

  while also being the most expensive and having the worst capacity i think is is [TS]

  disappointing to say the least and it that's not to say that you can't get [TS]

  that isn't to say that [TS]

  that they could have done a massively better job as a battery case with their [TS]

  goals in mind and then that's when we'll talk about their goals in a minute but [TS]

  we've got a little more information since been released but it sure does [TS]

  seem like they know they were given a hard problem but it seems like a very [TS]

  disappointing output the heart problem and all of this is underscored by by my [TS]

  basal frustration of this shouldn't even be necessary for most people like the [TS]

  capacity that it has its I think it's roughly 1,800 million powers by most of [TS]

  the reviews can charge the phone about 80% of the way maybe so it's not as the [TS]

  full additional charge but it's like you can you can bring the phone down most of [TS]

  the way and you can charge it back up most of the way back up honestly when I [TS]

  need an extra battery I don't usually need more than that like that is a good [TS]

  amount for me but people who buy battery cases today that's like the smallest you [TS]

  can get and there's a lot of much bigger options are you can get like two to four [TS]

  times the battery capacity in an hour battery cases so dependent are using the [TS]

  phone if you doing like GPS all day as part of your job then I could see you [TS]

  need a lot more but honestly I like my use I complain a lot about the iPhone [TS]

  having not quite enough battery life and being too thin and and then suddenly [TS]

  prioritizing fitness and lightness over [TS]

  batteries but the difference between what the six and the success has have as [TS]

  the difference between what they have and what I need is not that big I would [TS]

  be very very happy if they took the battery of the success and just like 25 [TS]

  or 30 percent bigger at most 50% bigger you know that's that's all it needs it [TS]

  doesn't need to be three times as large you know it needs almost winter has just [TS]

  had like 25 to 50 percent more that's what that's what it really needs for me [TS]

  and I from from people i've seen in real life people I've talked to it seems like [TS]

  that would cover way more people's needs then like you know getting anything [TS]

  giant or status quo now obviously Apple has way more data than I do [TS]

  although honestly I i I question the metrics they collected how [TS]

  how well that covers the real world usage but anyway that's that's a [TS]

  discussion I'm just very sad that Apple's response to the success having [TS]

  clearly having porno of battery life for enough people that this was necessary to [TS]

  make and release that they they they take that indicator and they say well [TS]

  the right answer here is that that case is the right answer to the problem [TS]

  rather than if you just put in a battery that's like 25% bigger to begin with [TS]

  then the additional mass and complexity and efficiency of using that extra [TS]

  battery power is a tiny fraction of the bulk and the mass and the complexity of [TS]

  this case because you don't have an extra casing around it you don't have [TS]

  extra framing for rigidity in the middle section you don't have that whatever the [TS]

  heck that passive antenna thing is they're talking I'm no idea that is you [TS]

  don't have that you don't have the charging circuitry the discharging [TS]

  circuitry like the reporting back to the phone if you're better living in two [TS]

  different battery bars in Notification Center worried about its so much simpler [TS]

  if you just make the battery 25% bigger on the phone and you cover so much more [TS]

  with that kind of approach and I i no they don't do that because they want to [TS]

  be thinner and lighter and they think they're making her decision and maybe [TS]

  they are but it's frustrating to be on my side of it when you think they're not [TS]

  and this is their solution that I completely agree you know I was thinking [TS]

  about it and you remember that sort of cheesy but also sort of entertaining [TS]

  video they showed before WDC 2013 with like the dancing blobs of ink and it was [TS]

  a thousand knows video [TS]

  well I went and found a copy on YouTube which linked to the show notes that [TS]

  video starts as follows [TS]

  if everyone is busy making everything how can anyone perfect anything I think [TS]

  that's a powerful it is a mouthful but I mean we've been talking a lot about how [TS]

  spread thin we assume Apple to be these days now I think what generally [TS]

  referring to software when we're talking about that but there's a lot more [TS]

  there's a there's a lot more products and apples portfolio today than there [TS]

  were in 2013 and and I feel like this is just an example of somebody just phoning [TS]

  it in and and maybe I'm missing the boat but she's this thing looks just ugly [TS]

  it's just it just it's not smooth I mean it's smooth but it's not it's all based [TS]

  in its just a little huh i mean obviously if I were to get a battery [TS]

  case I would consider this one simply because I like the feel of Apple's first [TS]

  party cases especially the Silicon Valley there feel over the buttons [TS]

  asleep waking the volume button everything they do feel good over the [TS]

  buttons and they do fit well and all the other ones look pretty good this one not [TS]

  so much but I appreciate the value of Apple's cases most of the time but for [TS]

  me honestly if you know especially me look at costs like the first battery [TS]

  cases like oh yeah this'll make sense you know use it every other day and [TS]

  it'll be great and as soon as the next iPhone comes out and it's a different [TS]

  size and you can't use it anymore like why do i buy that $100 battery case that [TS]

  now is worthless to me and after that you typically just by like the little [TS]

  USB blocks or bricks or no other other ways to boost your head because you [TS]

  realize that was kind of you know not a great use of my money so now I I've [TS]

  moved on to the battery bricks and then little rectangles and stuff and have [TS]

  better burn them to 25 bucks and they have more power than the Apple thing I [TS]

  think twice as much in your pocket anyway I don't know why I guess I feel [TS]

  like these things are just admitting failure and I also feel you look at them [TS]

  cynically it's very easy to look at this and say you know I think they just made [TS]

  this to get $100 more out of people and they buy phones that were previously [TS]

  going to third-party makers [TS]

  like mostly an anchor and everyone else like it seems like apple just wants to [TS]

  capture more of the iPhone accessory revenue for themselves to John what do [TS]

  you think of this I know you guys are too new to the Apple world I think to [TS]

  get the obvious let's go back and find something that Apple said in the past [TS]

  that makes them look forward to the present your clothes when you're gone [TS]

  back to the you know but I make too many things but you have to go back far there [TS]

  to the what i call the flower iMac not the flower power one but the one who's [TS]

  on the cover of Time magazine that looks like a little hemisphere with like metal [TS]

  arm poking out of it and the screen flooding in the Army as a member that [TS]

  one oh yeah so at the introduction to that steve Jobs was like we want to make [TS]

  a flat panel iMac because flat-panel cruel and they're the future and we're [TS]

  trying to come up with design than enough this is in the keynoter [TS]

  interviewer whatever the store is basically we thought about taking a flat [TS]

  screen and shoving the guts of the iMac onto the back of it that just seemed [TS]

  ridiculous because it was like this big lump and thing jammed onto the back of [TS]

  the screen it wasn't elegance a look at the solution we came up with this was I [TS]

  think maybe the first let every Ellen be true to itself thing like the basis the [TS]

  base it hugs the ground at low to the ground at the semicircle like boom there [TS]

  you are the base and the screen like that's because they're flat thin and [TS]

  light so that screen be true to itself be light and airy like floating in the [TS]

  area can reposition it sounds cool arm and arm told it was closed arm and it's [TS]

  super then because I mean not by today's standards like if you look at the screen [TS]

  and a MacBook Pro didn't even know it was a long time ago [TS]

  lookout then it is and it doesn't have all the get strapped to the back of it [TS]

  of course today you know when they eventually did like the iMac g5 and the [TS]

  big the white flat screen thing eventually did shut the interests of the [TS]

  iMac to the back of the screen when they got to the point where they thought I [TS]

  think it should be entered in the back and not have it looked like a big you [TS]

  know hunchback type thing right so here we are with the battery case and [TS]

  impartial there's not really any place for the battery to go you can put it on [TS]

  the front foot on the sides of the bottom so it's kinda got it on [TS]

  back but when I first saw this might read about it was the the sort of [TS]

  johnnie of Steve Jobs explanation for this still kinda fits they let each [TS]

  element be true to itself right so the phone is one element and the batteries [TS]

  the other and it's like let's not hide the fact that we're jamming a battery on [TS]

  the back of a phone so the phone is this little thing and we're going to put the [TS]

  battery in the back of it and the bad here he is nothing but a separate things [TS]

  around and trying to blend them together and make you think these are all one [TS]

  piece we're going to eat it you can skip running problems hanging lantern on it [TS]

  or in the Johnny I'm Steve Jobs problems let me tell me to be true to itself so [TS]

  this lithium-ion battery pack on the back of this this phone is being true to [TS]

  itself by hearing here in I'm a battery I'm sticking out here say hi to me and [TS]

  you know like aesthetically speaking you can decide that looks ugly maybe because [TS]

  it looks different things maybe he's just like I don't want you to declare [TS]

  yourself to bed don't want you to be true to yourself battery I want you to [TS]

  minimize yourself I don't wanna know you're there I want to pretend instead [TS]

  that I have Marcos phone that he talked about is actually just an iPhone success [TS]

  they had little more battery power and by calling attention to itself in this [TS]

  way that some people like it's it's really rubbing it in then I have an [TS]

  extra things shoved in the back of my phone number used to be nice and elegant [TS]

  and now it's like you know below hunchback that's kinda gross but so I [TS]

  could see are going to both sides that but I my opinion of the this case [TS]

  started to fall two things one when I saw that it had a chance I thought [TS]

  surely the company that can make this better chances Apple right because the [TS]

  channel the chin is really I find that substantially alters the field the phone [TS]

  more than making it thicker once you start making it longer and wider and [TS]

  like the chance the chains come with compromises as people found out if you [TS]

  buy it beats headphone you cannot plug it into the chain of this thing without [TS]

  an adapter because they little headphone jack is just too deep to go through the [TS]

  little adapter things it's not just beat John their other headphones I November [TS]

  said I i'm playing on beach because like Apple makes those rights as the work is [TS]

  not like a third party has essentially first party at phones also don't fit the [TS]

  earpods it right but not [TS]

  you know large exxon they had to make a little time for the sound come out which [TS]

  is i'm glad they did that and little you know the little holes and tunnels have [TS]

  to make to get the stuff that's going to come out but there are things there are [TS]

  third-party battery cases that don't have chains am I wrong in thinking that [TS]

  I feel like I've seen them I was able to find one when I look for better cases a [TS]

  few months ago and there was one me look it up its offensive yesterday like I [TS]

  feel like not having a chance something happen to do but the real kicker to me [TS]

  was all of that story I just gave you about the bed the backpack being true to [TS]

  itself and have me extra capacity or whatever when I found out that Apple's [TS]

  battery case actually has less battery capacity than the one that try to hide [TS]

  the fact that has a battery that really killed the cat is like if you're going [TS]

  to have a big backpack and be true to yourself and say here I am I'm the [TS]

  battery at least make that battery really high capacity right at least say [TS]

  yeah it's a little bit chunkier looking at the batteries but boy it's a lot of [TS]

  capacity but it doesn't it has less capacity than those other ones it looks [TS]

  like it should have more because it calls attention to itself it is [TS]

  prominent and yet the actual battery in there is smaller and so then I feel like [TS]

  you know the battery case that I would have liked another number in the market [TS]

  or better yet but I would like to see the one that was just had massive [TS]

  capacity was really high quality or the one that had no chin and made the [TS]

  battery so then you don't even know that it's there they gave you only a little [TS]

  bit more maybe more than Marcos 25 maybe 30 percent maybe forty percent battery [TS]

  and an apple commits super thin one that's like it you don't even know if [TS]

  the battery is looking like a little bit case but it gives you give your phone to [TS]

  boost right both of those products I think would be nicer product as far as [TS]

  I'm concerned no I don't think the existence of battery case means that [TS]

  either Apple is admitting the success has been very life and I don't think the [TS]

  success has better battery life really depends on where you individually if it [TS]

  doesn't have enough battery life the way you used then yes you need to have a [TS]

  battery pack but I think that the battery life in the success is [TS]

  reasonable but as we've discussed many many times I also think there is a place [TS]

  in Apple's product line for a phone that is bigger it gets more battery life that [TS]

  is not the 60 S Plus because that's forcing you to say hey if you want [TS]

  your life album makes a phone for you also it's the size of african tablet and [TS]

  I hope you like there's a place near line for to say and I thought the [TS]

  success is that place actually I'd like it if they come with a four-inch phone [TS]

  that one should be super thin and small and then the success should be a little [TS]

  bit thicker to have more battery + should be the way it is or maybe add [TS]

  something which i think is the place somewhere for thick bone that is not [TS]

  gargantuan they don't make that phone money make me skinny things and if you [TS]

  need more capacity from a deep in this case and I see tons of people of battery [TS]

  cases in real life [TS]

  also you know all sizes of iPhones 5s size for us the 626 s lots and lots of [TS]

  battery cases because people know I can use my phone all day and I i cant use [TS]

  about the better get to bed cases and she becomes part of the phone I also [TS]

  know that both or making a case I don't think this spring themselves too thin [TS]

  marco was like I just wanna get $104 of course they do why would they not like [TS]

  they are they somehow morally obligated not to make an accessory which they [TS]

  should make access and you know it's weird to have manufactured not me he [TS]

  says he's like Honda not making broad your car so they want you to put a [TS]

  broader convert their shares held gonna make him because you want a broad like [TS]

  sounds like you want here you go it's bad example car bras but I'm going back [TS]

  to your days but but yet Apple should totally sell every accessory why only [TS]

  third parties to make an accessory that huge number of you by what's the status [TS]

  on something like Apple according to Apple's own statistics or something like [TS]

  seventy percent 70% of people put a case on on their iPhones of course Apple [TS]

  should sell cases and if some of you want better of course they should make [TS]

  the Apple should make three battery case like I have no objections in doing that [TS]

  I think the absolution if only like to raise the game of the third party [TS]

  manufacturers so well this is a little bit of a disappointing product there are [TS]

  some explanations for a second but I think they should totally make a battery [TS]

  case I I can come up with a plausible explanation for the Athletics in this [TS]

  case even if you think it's like your opinion is your opinion right i mean we [TS]

  also people with cases that we think are live with somebody loves them [TS]

  and if anything I wish I could just make more battery cases so i think is a good [TS]

  first run out of battery case and at the very least it's got us talking about it [TS]

  and it's interesting it is not boring given that were the case I was thinking [TS]

  of it I could remember before was the sole a memo right there is there a [TS]

  couple then there's a there's a new version of the old version on Amazon for [TS]

  like 50 bucks and the old version it doesn't matter has never seen that has [TS]

  no chin and it basically has an internal lightning port that plugs in [TS]

  up the bottom the phone and and like moves the real commander down slightly [TS]

  and it uses its additional thickness of being about her case to give you a [TS]

  lightning port that's just like down lower than just below the real one [TS]

  doesn't really give you that was I thought there was one of the claims of [TS]

  this like it wasn't this from Ms Barbara think the first battery case to have a [TS]

  fully featured lightning connector that's claimed I read somewhere about [TS]

  the Apple adding the key words they're fully featured because you're both right [TS]

  this does taking lightning connector but it doesn't put the battery status and [TS]

  notification center and stuff like that only the first party case can do that a [TS]

  fully-featured lightning connector that's a feature the grant applicants [TS]

  they can do to change the OS but as the Lightning connector fully featured on [TS]

  them anyway like the first version of this one had had a big problem that [TS]

  according to reviews of blocking cell signals had a metal frame and everyone [TS]

  said it bought your signal and this updated version now says its updated now [TS]

  new design that absolutely will not interfere with your signal so I guess [TS]

  you're doing it right and report back and see if that actually is true because [TS]

  it's extremely thin relative to most better and it has no chin so that the [TS]

  the bulk of it is significantly reduced and if this is actually good and works [TS]

  and doesn't block the cell signal meaningfully then I would say it's kind [TS]

  of embarrassing for Apple but I I'm guessing was going to be some problem [TS]

  with this there's like this there has to be some reason why no one else makes [TS]

  cases like this is there any other color besides why I'm not trying to be funny [TS]

  I'm really asked to do the black one [TS]

  no but the black ones the old version available only comes in black and white [TS]

  yeah that's also true but yeah we'll see we'll see if they actually I mean I'm [TS]

  sure going to sell I also want to consider that that is even more cynical [TS]

  than they just made it to get accessory money but why is that like you say that [TS]

  like it's like they just made it like that they'd but what they make products [TS]

  for like a man they want to make great products Baba but they just made it to [TS]

  make money like how how can you say that is a bad thing about like I guess that's [TS]

  true [TS]

  like you know it's this 1 I'm trying to think it is a situation where you could [TS]

  say this was just the money I get the money grab if they put out a product [TS]

  that they put like minimal effort into just to get the money based on their [TS]

  name and I don't think that's that's because you know you may think it's ugly [TS]

  and may disagree with the compromises they may but it looks like it's up to [TS]

  the standards of all Apple for Sparty cases in terms of fit and finish and the [TS]

  thoughtfulness of the features again whether you disagree with them or not [TS]

  like it doesn't look like a piece of junk so I think that's made that are you [TS]

  call it a MoneyGram if they put out something that was just look like a [TS]

  piece of junk that it didn't feel good too didn't look good didn't fit right [TS]

  maybe gonna think of their like the iPad one case you could say that about like [TS]

  they just put this out to make money because it does not look like a piece of [TS]

  crap and look like it was slapped together because we might say they just [TS]

  made a small laptop is a money grab people on a small at that point yet for [TS]

  people who want a laptop you know now that that's all fair but ok so carry [TS]

  this on to its logical conclusion then and then we have a problem because now [TS]

  they now have an incentive to not improve the iPhone battery life to keep [TS]

  it to being almost sufficient for enough people but just painful enough that a [TS]

  large portion of their customers who want to buy this additional $100 part [TS]

  it's a sweet 16 get problem I don't know if a large portion of people going about [TS]

  their daily but now they have the incentive to keep the status quo and [TS]

  center do what they're already there are doing that like I think the the six plus [TS]

  has given them a little bit of cover on this to say ure said you wanted more [TS]

  battery capacity will be made only like yeah but it's so big you want everything [TS]

  there is to be exactly besides you want exactly the battery capacity are testing [TS]

  shows the public I mean as someone who uses the sex all day and the battery use [TS]

  it everyday and the battery is totally fine for me but I also know people who [TS]

  can get there have a day with their sex and we all have the same phone just [TS]

  depends on usage patterns so there's such a variability usage patterns very [TS]

  difficult to say whether they've overall undersized anything if this battery case [TS]

  gives them cover I don't think they'll be better cases existed already so [TS]

  whatever covered the thing that you think they're getting by having the [TS]

  battery case they really had that covered because this is huge market [TS]

  battery cases that I see everywhere for the people who talk to their phones who [TS]

  need to have a really long you know so I don't think I need to make this case to [TS]

  get that cover no I think that's fair but i think is this dramatically [TS]

  increases that don't cover them because now they can they can point to this [TS]

  nigga say well you know what if you don't know if you're sick sore or [TS]

  whatever the new main line iPhone is better I feel that it is not our problem [TS]

  to fix we offer you these battery cases for an extra $99 like it was better when [TS]

  they could say if you don't like the battery life is in our problem by one of [TS]

  these less than $90 battery cases that offer more capacity if anything this [TS]

  week in their story begins now they're going to always be pitching their spirit [TS]

  which is lower capacity and higher price that the problem here is that this at [TS]

  least by having a first party option that they believe is good this gives [TS]

  them permission [TS]

  internally when making design decisions to no longer really think about giving [TS]

  more better i people built in the phone I think that I think the thing about [TS]

  exactly the same amount I mean I good as I've said from many years back to the [TS]

  old record this seems to be this tragedy been pursuing for a long time a lot of [TS]

  people to use a all this is the nigger robotic or theory it's finally coming [TS]

  out it's finally coming to be here the whole time [TS]

  like you know this is it's not it's not a new thing I like about the things [TS]

  they've been doing is make it is thin and light as possible as you can to be [TS]

  useful to you know to somebody to a lot of people and then allow people to add [TS]

  to it as many times that you got out to set an extra layers of bases angeli [TS]

  filler between there because you gotta have walls between your batteries the [TS]

  batteries have to be inside cases [TS]

  case on the outside mission so they're going to keep dancing around in that [TS]

  line I really think that with none of us have been discussing this if they made a [TS]

  thicker iPhone sex like maybe even also keep her 14 like you know all day you [TS]

  sit on the go [TS]

  things it's all about diversity profile and they really have diversified a lot [TS]

  that is can keep going maybe they considered as a diversification by think [TS]

  this is more of an accessory occasion since arising occasion whatever anyway [TS]

  they're adding accessories which is one way to go to make airline more diverse [TS]

  but it is no substitute for actually making airline more diverse and it isn't [TS]

  that ridiculous to do you think of the making another iPhone model that still [TS]

  the same size as they're like mid-range one that has a bigger battery is this is [TS]

  their most important product they make more than anything else and they have [TS]

  all sorts of such customizations and our other product lines so it wouldn't be [TS]

  that ridiculous concept [TS]

  at the foreign from comes back and you'll see is right because of the [TS]

  orange phone comes back like say Apple's not afraid to make sure because with the [TS]

  iPhone being such an important product there's one thing we don't have a scale [TS]

  but the other thing is you want to make sure you get as much in the market is [TS]

  possible the whole reason they made their phones it's like well a lot of [TS]

  people do want bigger phones let's make a bigger phone in fact let's not just [TS]

  make a bigger phone let's make two bigger phones gonna get one size it's [TS]

  not gonna be big enough and people whether huge numbers make just a huge [TS]

  run people gonna flip out cuz they want the not so huge one and like I said if [TS]

  they make the foreign shit will show that like we understand people on all [TS]

  different sizes and then maybe someday like you have to make a sunday or [TS]

  something eventually the innards will take up so little power that it will be [TS]

  a moot point across this morning for our barrier and then we will have to worry [TS]

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  Apple and other strange turn of events is actually talking to the press about [TS]

  about the of all things about the little lump on the back of their thing was like [TS]

  when did this come out like earlier in the week I guess yesterday at an Apple [TS]

  already has is talking again talking to the tech press and saying we'd like to [TS]

  talk to you about the mean things people are saying about our battery case they [TS]

  had you know I'm not gonna say some excuses and explanations about what what [TS]

  is the deal in case why the hell is it like that why doesn't one question is [TS]

  that lump on the back of a lump on the back you don't want to be smooth over [TS]

  the senate's that decision why doesn't the lump on the back [TS]

  go away from the top to the bottom of the phone wires that look like a band [TS]

  aid where it's like this the lumpy part in the middle [TS]

  flat part and Mark already talked about this like their explanation is about [TS]

  cellular reception that if you put the battery over the top and the bottom of [TS]

  the you know over the whole thing behind enemy lines on the success are in the [TS]

  top and the bottom you don't want to block the antenna with a battery was not [TS]

  really a transparent and so they're keeping the battery away from the the [TS]

  radio parts and they get better reception but I can kind of understand [TS]

  that something you have to deal with if you really do coat the entire back of [TS]

  the phone with the battery its gonna hurt reception people who have battery [TS]

  cases that are not to hurt their reception know that it happens and it [TS]

  can be annoying so they voted just by not putting the battery there did you [TS]

  have to say so far away from the things could you meet him again I say if you [TS]

  gonna put the big lump wanna make the lump thicker like when I go out have [TS]

  more capacities really is depressing to meet her at me yeah well I mean come [TS]

  down to ask that you could have left the battery the same exact size and filled [TS]

  in the part where like essentially radio transparent tape it's not battery that's [TS]

  covering the things that just a permitted I think the paper comes down [TS]

  test that checks and the other thing is I don't know is complete but this is a [TS]

  story that a lot of the battery cases like the movies and stuff are to piece [TS]

  things that are hard to get the phone in and out of the Apple one because the [TS]

  battery doesn't extend all the way up to the top the topic bendy and you could [TS]

  just been the top back and inside the phone how to think about the video and [TS]

  they're very excited and proud about the fact that is easy to get the phone [TS]

  enough I don't know how many people are taking their phones in a battery cases [TS]

  lot maybe it's because they're so hard to get in and out of like those really [TS]

  tight-fitting battery cases but is that you know i guess its ok to say hey we [TS]

  made it really easy to get the phone and now but I just don't see someone coming [TS]

  home every day and taking their phone out of putting it in it doesn't seem [TS]

  like a frequent activity to me you know and that's true of any case that's a [TS]

  better case I never take my cases of my phone and you shouldn't be the final of [TS]

  your doesn't that they click so well it's funny because I typically use the [TS]

  Apple leather case for my iPhone because like marco was saying earlier you know I [TS]

  I happen to like the feel of it is a little bit exorbitantly expensive but [TS]

  not anymore [TS]

  when you are sixth generation ones it was like 60 bucks now they're $45 they [TS]

  didn't know that yeah they dropped it with the S generation I didn't know that [TS]

  so that's not quite so bad but anyway the only time I use battery case though [TS]

  which I do have a landmark one which I really liked until Marco showed me this [TS]

  this one that we're talking about a minute ago which I kind of lusting over [TS]

  now but anyway let me get a first and I'll tell you that sucks yeah exactly [TS]

  but I have this on my battery case which is just cheaper knockoff of movies and [TS]

  it works really well I really liked it but the only time I ever use it is [TS]

  either a conference or a football game and I'm not gonna be around wall power [TS]

  for hours and hours and hours and hours other than that I never ever use this [TS]

  case and so getting my phone out of the Apple leather case and into the landmark [TS]

  case is useful to have that easier but I i buy a large agree with you that it's [TS]

  not the sort of thing that I'm doing daily I'm doing it like once once a week [TS]

  during the fall and then maybe daily during wEDC but that's that's frequent [TS]

  enough that I would say you would be good although I do have to wonder [TS]

  especially the things that the more time to take the thing in and out the more [TS]

  Lucy kinda get and the more you could trap things I think they talk about this [TS]

  on the Apple website like the microfiber on the inside its cleaning your phone [TS]

  when you put it in there and say no getting around the fact that if you [TS]

  happen to get like three pieces of sand in there and you said your phone inside [TS]

  a microfiber not here to make scratches the other things about the lump sum in [TS]

  the Apple has talked about like grip ability and stuff in households better [TS]

  for that it's actually rather than putting it on the bottom like you guys [TS]

  do with the lump you can put the key under the lump instead of under the very [TS]

  bottom of the phone which probably helps me get the changes making the very [TS]

  bottom funk even lower down so resting your pinky underneath it could be [TS]

  accountable to do it like having never held one of these I can't really think [TS]

  about how would you would feel awkward will feel better like giving you a text [TS]

  replace the grip like a hand-hold that lump on the back but the silicon case it [TS]

  is nice [TS]

  my life has one on her iPhone and the lump thing I don't know like I keep [TS]

  going back to his many of our discussions about it past Apple products [TS]

  have been said they favored form over function talked about the MacBook one in [TS]

  the single part in hiring has to be so skinny and how the phone just any and [TS]

  everything has to be so you know like just made like a sculpture the Apple [TS]

  mouse the tiny keyboards that has ties arrow keys form over function former [TS]

  function too much you know they can't make it ugly for one little bit of extra [TS]

  functionality that as a No can we just make it beautiful and do the best we can [TS]

  with Ms concerns and one thing you can say about this case is that it [TS]

  absolutely does not perform in front of function right right so not necessary [TS]

  because its ugly but because like look it has a job to do and it doesn't really [TS]

  spend a lot of time figuring out how to how to make it look like a beautiful [TS]

  piece of sculpture right you know and and again getting back to being [TS]

  criticized think that all I max I love them so much like that I just like that [TS]

  iMac design had both in that they said you know let let the function dictate [TS]

  the form we we can't figure out a way to get these internal in the back of the [TS]

  screen and haven't looked so don't even try [TS]

  had the screen and have the screen be free by myself and have you can move [TS]

  anywhere you can twist it around downstairs where you put it was awesome [TS]

  and the base it also looks but is also totally stable stays right there it's [TS]

  small the base of that iMac was actually a lower and lower amount of volume I [TS]

  believe that for cube [TS]

  actually smaller than you thought was like that is what you want is a [TS]

  beautiful blending of it but this one when it came time to choose she was like [TS]

  smooth this thing over and try to hide all this stuff and you know make it look [TS]

  like a beautiful piece of sculpture perhaps sacrificing something of utility [TS]

  like maybe not having a good lighting passed through or maybe having your [TS]

  ridiculously low battery capacity to make it completely invisible and useful [TS]

  to people for Marco wanted more [TS]

  an extra 20% they didn't they made a different choice to make a different [TS]

  choice what their their reward is an article saying you have too much [TS]

  function and you should have paid more attention to form because I think what [TS]

  you made it and I guess that's because people think the only in this is a [TS]

  result of the not paying enough attention to looks right if it does mean [TS]

  something was said that made the MacBook 11 part and it must be so important and [TS]

  it was only on top of that you couldn't say well you said you wanted form over [TS]

  function over form so they know they screwed up both it is both not useful [TS]

  because it wants to be part and thalia sent instead they made this beautiful [TS]

  thing that has one part and then you could simply say well they want to make [TS]

  a beautiful thing and making a statement this one port and the scouts batteries [TS]

  and other stuff like that state so much all this technology never to make this [TS]

  beautiful thing and we agreed that is beautiful so we say yes you did that but [TS]

  you did there I found this one we don't agree that is beautiful we feel like you [TS]

  have not made it beautiful so we're going to say that you didn't go perform [TS]

  instead you must have done for function and you look at a functionally like well [TS]

  as you take in and out it has a battery in it has let me pass through the only [TS]

  thing you could maybe them on as if you really want to go for a funky mood amid [TS]

  the chain even bigger so you could fit the long had fun Jackson but this this [TS]

  does feel to me like a different ballot the usual form over function from Apple [TS]

  if only because we all disagree about the the form being beautiful and I want [TS]

  to encourage that because half the time over saying is don't make you things [TS]

  beautiful sculptures because if you end up an absurd situations like the Harper [TS]

  internal mass think more about forum anything more about forming in them so [TS]

  you know I can I can empathize battle feel like we can win with these guys [TS]

  well I mean the right answer here is to recognize that if it is truly not [TS]

  possible to make a really good external battery case for an iPhone that also [TS]

  looks good and good looks are important to Apple and the answer is to reduce or [TS]

  remove the need for external battery cases reducing it that's very much if [TS]

  you added 10 percent capacity how much do you need twenty percent capacity like [TS]

  when do you get to the point where you actually reducing need because I think [TS]

  the people who need like this big movies [TS]

  their Apple should never make a phone as big as big movies are like even like 80% [TS]

  is big like say take one of the big movies cut out all the intermediary [TS]

  plastic and merge that that those mill empowers into the phone that's too big [TS]

  for Apple to make right but people have those needs and so there's always gonna [TS]

  need for some battery packs I just don't know what the ratio is like of all the [TS]

  people in new battery packs how many people could get away with just adding [TS]

  20% 30% right so that's kind of what the third party banner manufacturers are [TS]

  doing and that Apple's not privy to that information because their surveys focus [TS]

  groups don't work that is a motivation for Apple to make seven different sizes [TS]

  of battery packs hey Apple you have your own information about exactly how much [TS]

  more capacity people need and you could use that to decide how thick to make the [TS]

  next owner know what target battery life or whatever but now with severe [TS]

  dissented ever do so because it reduced the iPhone ASAP I i think by making one [TS]

  case if they can make this will give them some information some real [TS]

  first-hand information about what people want out of battery cases anything like [TS]

  more battery cases that will give me more information like they're always [TS]

  making that calculus how big to make the battery in this phone should be going [TS]

  for target battery life like the iPad we just go for 10 hours all the time we [TS]

  think we're ok with that I don't know what their targets for the iPhone this [TS]

  is a very important to me it seemed like it was tiny consistent but a little bit [TS]

  lumpy the iPads for more of a straight line and the iPhone history was a little [TS]

  bit lumpy up and down here and there but maybe they're just holding their breath [TS]

  in saying that we just wait a little longer and we get into the manufacturer [TS]

  of the AOM and for us it would ever in sync feature size they're up to that [TS]

  point and we make everything so low power adventure this point we just need [TS]

  to get across the finish line it's already a moot point an iPad Mini and [TS]

  iPad like saying US bases in these cases the speakers like 10 hours is fine and [TS]

  we pretty much all agree like the most part 10 hours so far as mine [TS]

  the iPad but the phones they're always on the ragged edge of the don't want to [TS]

  make it really big and thick but we also wanted to last kind of all day and we [TS]

  know we can't really make it last all day because that would just be way too [TS]

  big so you know just like every year I think they're going to get closer and [TS]

  every year they just put a more powerful CPU and GPU in there or make screen [TS]

  bigger so that that sucks even more [TS]

  power just seems like we're not really making progress on battery life but I [TS]

  have to think somewhere out there in the future [TS]

  we're gonna start crossing over like it give me like one or two or three more [TS]

  hours and then all the stuff starts to fade into the background and just be [TS]

  applicable to people who need to be able to like you know play games on iOS four [TS]

  nine hours in a row not lose their battery or whatever the hell people are [TS]

  doing to to use those giant movies all day [TS]

  couple of quick notes about the positives battery case how one of the [TS]

  things that appeals to me about this is that it does have that lightning pass [TS]

  through its it sounds like there are other cases on the market that happens [TS]

  like the one Marco just impulse bought a few minutes ago but having this landmark [TS]

  case that I do like but also having to carry one micro USB port just for that [TS]

  and I pretty much have no other devices they use it is kind of annoying so I [TS]

  like that it has sliding pass through and then it also has some phantom [TS]

  passive antenna help which I mean if you guys have something to say about that we [TS]

  can but finally the the other thing that i think is appealing is when you drop [TS]

  down in Notification Center to see what your battery life is on your phone and [TS]

  possibly your watch this will appear in Notification Center as well which i [TS]

  think is really nice rather than having some stupid blinking lights on the back [TS]

  of the thing apparently there is a blinking light on the inside of the [TS]

  things when you're charging but that's obviously not terribly useful if the [TS]

  phone is in the case I think those are all positive I think that's good and [TS]

  actually I never thought about putting your pinky they're not held one of these [TS]

  yep that actually sounds really appealing to because maybe they can ship [TS]

  me my pinky up a bit so I can actually reach the top of my already too big [TS]

  phone yet another policy decision speaking of like it always integration [TS]

  what are the policy I don't have battery cases out of nowhere better case do this [TS]

  but what is the policy in terms of if you plug either terrible micro USB or [TS]

  lightning cable something to the bottom of your phone that inside the battery [TS]

  case the charge the battery case for us to charge the phone first when you put a [TS]

  phone into a better case the better case immediately begin charging the phone up [TS]

  to a hundred percent [TS]

  then stop charging when he goes that or does the battery case charge of blown up [TS]

  to some presenters like 75 or 80 and just try to keep it there is used the [TS]

  phone like how do you how does the software in the battery case I guess [TS]

  decide what to do with power and there is an are you into made for the battery [TS]

  case not charging the fuck 200% keeping it that way because keeping lithium-ion [TS]

  batteries 800% charge overtime shortens the life force is keeping them like crap [TS]

  like that but at any rate keeping a charge of Max all time is not greater [TS]

  battery life even despite like does that thing where like let your battery drain [TS]

  down like 99 98 97 percent in that cranks back up like it's it's not good [TS]

  to keep it under percent all the time I've heard that some battery cases try [TS]

  to keep your phone on 75 or something to to extend the battery life on a river [TS]

  but those are those type of decisions are things that can be adjusted I guess [TS]

  in software I may be in firmware does the battery case a former I don't know [TS]

  some cooperation between the device with software on the battery case would be [TS]

  good here and it's a perfect opportunity to try to do something that you couldn't [TS]

  do as a regular person because as a regular person without a battery case [TS]

  you have a charge under percent before you leave the house you know going to [TS]

  charge of up to 70% to preserve the battery life because you're just gonna [TS]

  maybe run out before the end of the day you're always charging two hundred [TS]

  percent people battery cases can maybe I guess maybe the battery case keeping [TS]

  charged under percent but I'd be more comfortable doing that but the thing [TS]

  that's inside the phone because it's probably still cheaper to get a new [TS]

  battery case in to replace the battery inside the phone that certainly you know [TS]

  about opening up your phone to know that stuff but also if there is integration [TS]

  between the battery case and the phone works in Apple's case there is their [TS]

  software division at the phone level and no one else will go to get that there's [TS]

  one more thing you can do that that smart that I that that is unfortunately [TS]

  the case can do I S has a number of changes that it does behaviour of it [TS]

  does your does when it think to put in the AC power it will more readily [TS]

  download things in the background it'll pull out more often it'll use more power [TS]

  when it thinks that wasn't AC power if Apple makes a case that integrates in [TS]

  the software [TS]

  a smart thing to do would be [TS]

  the battery case to communicate to the phone hey I'm also a battery this is not [TS]

  really AC power even though I'm charging you and for the phone to continue [TS]

  operating as it was running on battery power I don't know if Apple's keys does [TS]

  that I do know that third-party cases can't and don't do that we need to see [TS]

  what the policy decision as a low power mode I guess maybe you'd never get into [TS]

  low power mode if the battery cases always charging the phone and if you did [TS]

  reach it would be legit dinner now but what if you had a battery case that was [TS]

  like with holding its charge from the phone to the phone dipped to a certain [TS]

  level and that triggered the low-power warning about this this is yet another [TS]

  reason why I actually increase in the capacity of the battery inside the phone [TS]

  removes all these complexities you know how to make all these weird policy [TS]

  decision exactly the battery and other stuff but bottom line is official [TS]

  support for everything we just discussed is a good idea because no matter how big [TS]

  the better in the phone someone's always going to need something with the size of [TS]

  our by yourself and there's gonna be battery case existing of battery cases [TS]

  are going to exist the OSU really have support like this should be made for [TS]

  iPhone program to be compliant battery case to get all the features we describe [TS]

  even if Apple's the first one to do it like why why would hold that I was [TS]

  surprised to learn that the same thing like that as far as I'm concerned they [TS]

  think they're attached AC power an attached to a battery cases battery [TS]

  cases have been around for a very long time you'd think by now Apple would have [TS]

  official support for hey if you're making a battery case do this and that [TS]

  and have these resistances on these pins and will let us know that you are [TS]

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  I really don't like making websites I am I am programmer I'm a web programmer I [TS]

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  I'm a bit on the small battery case there was a story on the verge about the [TS]

  Apple Smart Battery Case look weird because most he has a ton of patents on [TS]

  battery well movie does have a ton of patents on battery has some of them [TS]

  involving a two-part case which its debts over the thing and just you know [TS]

  tons of dumb patents is that why Apple's case looks like this [TS]

  apple says no in their strange communication with the tech press that [TS]

  they're doing nowadays they apparently have said through channels unequivocally [TS]

  no that's not entirely surprising since this landmark case that I have operates [TS]

  exact same way that these suppose it [TS]

  Mophie patents would prohibit but to be fair Lenmar as a much more target that [TS]

  Apple would be so I'm not sure anyone cares I think alike [TS]

  the reason I believe this this [TS]

  story of it out that apple says that they didn't maybe they waited because of [TS]

  patents is not because I think Apple you know I'm gonna made the case and not [TS]

  infringe Apple's I think if Apple made a case for Apple wouldn't care because [TS]

  they've got a bazillion dollars in movie doesn't like it if it seemed like [TS]

  Apple's about to lose the case by movie I mean seriously giant coming to lab are [TS]

  not afraid of small companies like movie when it comes to infringing patents [TS]

  because they just tied the knot in litigation into the company goes out of [TS]

  business out there like willfully infringing patents but they said many [TS]

  times everything is planted evidence thus tons of dumb pens there's nothing [TS]

  you can do it is not violating someone's patents [TS]

  every single thing Apple does is violating somebody's patents in this [TS]

  room every technology companies just the cost the stupid cost of doing business [TS]

  and so Apple is not going to have some sort of meeting before deciding their [TS]

  iPhone better they say let's take a survey of all the patents that held by [TS]

  people who have patents on iphone battery cases and make sure whatever we [TS]

  do doesn't come close to one of those are just gonna make the case that they [TS]

  want to make like that's if they didn't they will be paralyzed like it like that [TS]

  you know we're adding a featured iowa's please spend six months trying to search [TS]

  for every Superdome patent that applies to our planet that's gonna do it just [TS]

  gonna do it and then to wait for somebody to sue them because that's the [TS]

  way business works and stupid world that we have here in the united states right [TS]

  anything else on the case I can't believe we talked for so long the [TS]

  battery case have you met us this I mean no I'm have a 65 summit but the sex [TS]

  right it does yes it does not it doesn't the pluses does for the record I mean I [TS]

  can see why people would choose this one you know it does have some integration [TS]

  it does feel probably pretty good if you if you want a rubberized silicone case [TS]

  feel for grip purposes it is probably good for that although I don't know [TS]

  whether the bullet in the back would be more comfortable as comfortable but I I [TS]

  see why would she uses one but I think anybody who this sounds stupid anybody [TS]

  who really cares about their battery case [TS]

  I think would find many better options it depends on what you care about like [TS]

  people this may look rugged to some people I'm not sure how the Athletics [TS]

  will will will be received by people who are not as obsessed with like the [TS]

  apathetic as we are perhaps the people of Pakistan are because Apple Design is [TS]

  a particular aesthetic and it appeals to us obviously because we like Apple [TS]

  products we buy them stuff but it's not necessarily people and every kind of [TS]

  like you know the Aston Martin static vs the Corvette vs Ferrari like just [TS]

  historically speaking of the three very different styles and some people really [TS]

  like Aston Martin think about their glee in some people really like about the [TS]

  Mustangs and Aston Martins don't appeal to them the same thing with Ferrari like [TS]

  not every style appeals to every person and when I look at this time I try to [TS]

  say is is it would appeal to somebody and I think it was like power tools you [TS]

  know or maybe maybe a combination of mike l being in like Dewalt power tools [TS]

  or something like there is a sort of rugged do reverie granddaddy kind of [TS]

  athletic here that might actually be appealing to some people and maybe [TS]

  there's more of them than are the people who want everything I would say Apple's [TS]

  in car manufacturer analogy is closest like Aston Martin but people do like the [TS]

  Mustangs have boulders and flares and nostrils and all sorts of weird rude [TS]

  things so I'm not entirely sure if this is actually even though it is so [TS]

  different than the estimate that we like her Apple is it really unappealing to [TS]

  everybody I mean at the very least hear your phone will sit flat on the table [TS]

  first of all I think if Dewalt designed a battery case they might have only 10 [TS]

  but if they did it would be way better looking than this [TS]

  secondly I would far rather have a Corvette than this and even look usually [TS]

  have you seen the back of the current one [TS]

  pretty rough but have you seen this I mean if the battery is it's it's it's a [TS]

  it's growing on me it's growing on me at this when I look at the bank was now I [TS]

  start thinking it looks like the interior space station sent from 1970 [TS]

  wow wow [TS]

  take a bunch of these big news in miniature like take a bunch of these [TS]

  erase the Apple logo and line them up to make like a hallway like these that that [TS]

  is from a sci-fi movie they're like they're like little bulging random but [TS]

  what I've heard from I think this article like don't get the white one [TS]

  people I know you know we've talked to Casey about this but I quite looks good [TS]

  in some time some things but something you're gonna hold is going to get dirty [TS]

  and gross really fast like there's no avoiding it will be panel our phones all [TS]

  the time we put them in pockets to put them in person who put them down on [TS]

  tables do not get the white one unless unless you're ok with the fact that it's [TS]

  that's going to not look like Apple's product shots for more than like a week [TS]

  it was at Christina's who said like it was discolored after like one day I mean [TS]

  how can you not like it is it is it is magical bright white it's a white world [TS]

  white nothing will stay if you touch it [TS]

  sorry even like porcelain is made of flying China would eventually get away [TS]

  but this is this is will not call ya but also we have to talk about we have a lot [TS]

  of updates all the things get updated to care now we could it enumerates them is [TS]

  everything to say about them we got i OS 9.2 is there anything noteworthy there I [TS]

  updated my devices and did not notice anything and didn't recall seeing things [TS]

  when she was a you that was very upset about the Done button in Safari Safari [TS]

  ViewController upset like keeping it moving stuff around like I don't know if [TS]

  it's better or worse than the other place at six the actual thing that [TS]

  drives me nuts about smart of you controllers is as soon as you scroll at [TS]

  scrunched up and hides and you have to do something else to make it appear [TS]

  again before you can dismiss it that is the maddening family care where the [TS]

  button is because they are going to depend on one hand holding the thing [TS]

  with or whatever like there is no right position for the Done button and maybe I [TS]

  think what did they move it may be there were like well that's like with it back [TS]

  one is like an offside and even though this isn't a right to left navigation [TS]

  the thing that makes it go away should be a left turn up the ride I don't know [TS]

  that thing was but the bottom line is it still disappears as you start date and [TS]

  that is the real 30 criminal act and not the position of the done by me but you [TS]

  know the only thing I notice so far I've heard from a couple Apple people here in [TS]

  there that these were all pretty pretty substantial bugfix updates and that's [TS]

  good to hear you know kind of like when there is a significant update that [TS]

  appears to contain nothing new but is likely because that usually means a lot [TS]

  of bug fixes I would like to see them the change knows though like that's what [TS]

  I was looking for like shit show me all the bugs but they didn't think so now it [TS]

  improves performance and stability and they're not going to tell you like [TS]

  here's five hundred bugs that we fixed it news releases because they're not [TS]

  gonna make themselves look bad they do say some things like that you know fix [TS]

  this I feel like you know fix the bug caused whatever and whatever application [TS]

  something really obscure that could you get a list that are you not listening [TS]

  the other things that are equal in obscurity [TS]

  I didn't quite understand the political machine that determines what makes [TS]

  things being released because I do seized up the sometimes it's not just [TS]

  like performance-enhancing drugs is like some very specific things that which [TS]

  makes me think is there nothing else in that same specificity of this release [TS]

  surely there is i think it's a very sleepy are massaged to be very first of [TS]

  a very passive like you know fixes an issue in which certain people were [TS]

  affected by a certain you know we're behavior it's the used worrying and [TS]

  freezing to be just very passive very like this is kind of happened to us you [TS]

  know it's it's PR it's all PR [TS]

  yeah I agree John I didn't notice anything I've updated my iPad and my [TS]

  iPhone and iPhone updated my watch haven't noticed anything there so yeah [TS]

  we got their last 10 10 11 to update which those results also like they're [TS]

  like hey we added some pics for some bug in mail is something but I saw you Marco [TS]

  asking on Twitter into the void did they fix like USB audio USB stack [TS]

  specifically related audio and you got did you get any answers about that yet [TS]

  tipster said that that it was like they were there there are a lot of problems [TS]

  in our cap so far regarding the USB stack and as it relates to audio devices [TS]

  where a lot of times and I talked to a few people into this happens to them to [TS]

  it isn't just me or a lot of times I will have my audio device that I might [TS]

  play music through whatever just stopped working completely just like music just [TS]

  stops playing if you hit play and iTunes the time of the advanced like it's not [TS]

  even getting to the point of sending the buffer out and a new trial excited for [TS]

  different sound output devices and Mike it fails or you can select one or just [TS]

  disappears for a while and oftentimes fixed by just waiting like 10 minutes [TS]

  oftentimes fixed by rebooting very very strange apparently the the you the USB [TS]

  stack had a lot of changes done enough and so I've heard from various people [TS]

  including including [TS]

  hipster that that has been now fixed in the dot to release its at radii haven't [TS]

  actually thought it but I'm gonna start after the show [TS]

  do you have these problems only on your computer which is festooned with German [TS]

  audio [TS]

  I'm wondering if it's like you because you're exercising both the USB subsystem [TS]

  and the audio component of that more than I am but I've had the RUC problems [TS]

  but I also do almost zero things involving USB all I do is like a couple [TS]

  times we have played in my USB mic to this one Mac and that's it everything [TS]

  else is not I'm not unplug and plug things that don't have any other USB [TS]

  audio gear except this Mike and I have had no problems I'm wondering if it's [TS]

  because like you feel like you're actually use using the USB stack in a [TS]

  much more thorough way that I N during his problems I guess your control group [TS]

  would be like this computer if she's not messing with maybe she has made you go [TS]

  you too can you tell if that's because you are actually doing USB and audio [TS]

  stuff that's causing this [TS]

  the problem is the bug journeys reproducible just like kinda happens out [TS]

  of nowhere you know maybe once a week or every few days so it gets there's never [TS]

  any one thing that seems to trigger it so I have no idea but hopefully it's [TS]

  fixed and i'm looking forward to [TS]

  to seeing it is fixed at El Capitan very good for me it has not had any other [TS]

  real problems to speak but that's been embedded in a pretty annoying one I [TS]

  think I've seen more people like everyone somehow something will come [TS]

  across my tourist re-emerge something I'm blogging area my Apple should do a [TS]

  snow leopard lace or they just fix things are never as like to do that like [TS]

  10 11 is very as we talked about very snowy liberty where they didn't spend a [TS]

  lot of time on big new features they tried to do bug fixes discovery d kind [TS]

  of messed that up a little bit here we are 10112 not too long after 10 11 by [TS]

  the time the point to release comes to have dealt with the discovered he was [TS]

  granted which was hanging from your semi that was like oh they didn't fix I was [TS]

  very quickly took a long time to explain away but I'm telling him to come down to [TS]

  fourth time of saying that the major problems that were in 10 11 20 perhaps [TS]

  seem to have been a dress that's a reasonable timeline for almost any of [TS]

  these is by the point to three or four most of the stuff should be shipping out [TS]

  and the point for it like back in the day when he was 18 months or two years [TS]

  places but if if it turns out that ten eleven jus got the really big issues [TS]

  aside from the odd stuff which really has more to do with the server and the [TS]

  architecture and they can actually fixed by updating the OS what you said but [TS]

  anyway aside from that they really have shaken everything out that I feel like [TS]

  that is fully on a snow leopard e-type schedule people forget the snow leopard [TS]

  had some weird stuff in the 10 60 as well like everybody's does so I've been [TS]

  very happy with all CAPS so far I upgraded everything on the day was [TS]

  released I am while the point updates I haven't regretted it [TS]

  experience and no weirdness anywhere again other than I cloud stuff which I [TS]

  really like anything that involves servers I don't blame you entirely for [TS]

  that and really I mean honestly like it in for a while the max kind of felt [TS]

  neglected because I was taking all the glory on the time I'll do stuff and then [TS]

  Apple started doing these like massive changes to the MAC Tournament in the [TS]

  lion error and forward from that and it just are getting really weird and really [TS]

  bad and then you had like I think you are somebody was kind of the peak of [TS]

  Apple not only doing patent mediocre ideas on a lot of the Mac stuff but also [TS]

  starting to have really bad execution of a lot of it where is a so lucky and so [TS]

  many problems that was [TS]

  Leopard and Lion both had bad implications of everything to ensure [TS]

  fairness ok maybe just the odd releases but I feel like now we're going to the [TS]

  point where the the neglect in favor of working on iOS is actually helping the [TS]

  Mac most of the time because now it's like you can leave us alone and stop [TS]

  touching things and let us do our work on this pretty stable platform and you [TS]

  can go have your fun and iOS and we have to wait we have to watch out for is when [TS]

  they do one of these like kind of drive-by rewrites discovery D was one [TS]

  this USB subsystem in all caps seems to have been one certainly the disk utility [TS]

  in all caps 1 like they can do these drive-by rewrites where they for some [TS]

  reason they decide something needs to be dramatically rewritten or refractory [TS]

  designer ever and they do like an 80 percent job of it and then they just [TS]

  move on to other things and it leaves us this subsystem broken for awhile as long [TS]

  as we can minimize those times where that happens and they're leaving us [TS]

  mostly alone on the Mac I'm ok with that I like this is where we get our work [TS]

  done but this is this please don't mess it up please just leave us alone let it [TS]

  keep working please stop updating it every year and please doctor and two [TS]

  major like massive shift [TS]

  just please well like I said they're not doing those majorettes for their health [TS]

  like they're doing them for a reason and the only difference is they just have to [TS]

  actually execute well like I have launched his example in the path of life [TS]

  why the hell you replacing an it perfectly fine like every unit used it [TS]

  why do you think that your own thing is like second system syndromes creative [TS]

  bunch these awesome right and once he was buggy at first too but they did it [TS]

  they did it because the existing thing that filled that role didn't have the [TS]

  features they need it does they they executed it well enough that they didn't [TS]

  have to roll it back I know it's a low bar back most people didn't even notice [TS]

  it except for the fact that I wrote about a mile to a standard user like a [TS]

  lunch deal with that but I can tell you the original version much he had tons of [TS]

  bugs but they got it done well enough and they move for another example is i [TS]

  cum services which has had bugs I don't know how many fourteen years like [TS]

  they're mostly cosmetic maybe that's why they didn't get fixed but I can services [TS]

  would like corrupts cashes in some weird way and all your dock icons or shop all [TS]

  crazy and pixelated for just years and years and years and it's like obviously [TS]

  this isn't a quick bucks I'll be there is something architectural a wrong with [TS]

  icon services and someone needs to go in there with the big wire brush and say [TS]

  all right what the hell is going on I can services let me deal with this let [TS]

  me fix it and that took so many years to happen and honestly I wish they had [TS]

  tackled that sooner sometimes you have a subsystem they did it because it's super [TS]

  old and crusty and it's not even yours maybe it's like BS decode leftover and [TS]

  God knows when or because the first guy took a pass out at a crappy job and you [TS]

  know you wanna take another a second run out and do a better job that's what you [TS]

  have to do that the job of a slew of the core OS group I want them to continue [TS]

  doing that I just want them to do a better job like and I think they do a [TS]

  good job almost all the time and those term use I applauded the car esther was [TS]

  a great example see guys chorus is rewriting major components and doing a [TS]

  good job and improving things and fixing their bugs and Europe year making things [TS]

  better netting features why doesn't everybody else like say on the GUI TMR [TS]

  ever do that you know and the answer is like they have other other stakeholders [TS]

  let's say like people who care about aesthetics market [TS]

  in branding whereas people doing lunch D have nobody worried about ethics or [TS]

  branding anything like that but anyway I'm telling favor of them continuing to [TS]

  look at their OS two side but subsystems are really do for you there are really [TS]

  thorough spring cleaning or maybe a complete replacement with something new [TS]

  you just have to do it well enough that you don't have to roll it back when Vint [TS]

  Cerf complains about like I felt that the that's a low bar but that isn'ta [TS]

  given no I mean like I think modern apple with this incredibly relentless [TS]

  annual release schedule of everything all these different product lines that [TS]

  keep expanding at the even more product lines and having the engineering [TS]

  resources spread incredibly thin and constant moving around between things I [TS]

  feel like what we what we keep seeing from Apple is that they they don't seem [TS]

  to be incredibly good anymore at doing these big rewrites of subsystems are big [TS]

  new initiatives like their record is pretty bad weather they screwed up [TS]

  besides the sky every day Apple music is a big one like the USB one I would say [TS]

  success especially at this point to like if you haven't like a big refactoring [TS]

  and a big changes to of major subsystem and you get all the kinks worked out of [TS]

  a point to like that's probably pretty much all you can hope for like it that's [TS]

  a pretty good job I I still have faith in those groups to be able to do is in [TS]

  the early schedule you can debate about that but really if they're competent I [TS]

  think they mostly are all yearly schedule does is push push feature that [TS]

  take more than one release out farther because every release has a certain [TS]

  amount of overhead associated with it and the more releases you have it like [TS]

  say you want to do a feature and like I know this features too big to fit into [TS]

  one release them but you don't you think of something else I know this feature is [TS]

  too big to fit into one release how do I do this project at Apple and I would say [TS]

  you can do that probably just fine you just have to have been a multi-year plan [TS]

  if you think a year and a half we're not going to cut it released in the year and [TS]

  a half years going to be in the two-year once you know this the overhead of each [TS]

  release the dads to just you know is just overhead just adds to the work [TS]

  everybody has to do [TS]

  and then your schedule just get pushed out really early releases is simply a [TS]

  matter of good management software they can what's above the line what's below [TS]

  the line what fits in this really what what doesn't and if you do a good job [TS]

  done keeping things in and putting them out i mean you could even say discovered [TS]

  he was the problem of that and not as if they did a bad job discovered even [TS]

  during the meetings when they say what's in and what's that pretend 10 someone [TS]

  should have said we really want to do launched in this discovery in this one [TS]

  but it's it's not just not yet it booted to 10 11 12 you just keep taking it down [TS]

  the road like that in the exercise you could have it till you get down to a [TS]

  certain point where the overhead dwarfs the amount of time you have you could [TS]

  have six months releases if you want it it's all just a matter of how you draw [TS]

  the line for you know sort of project manager parlance what's in and what's [TS]

  out for the way to go what's the radio was not ready to go so I think having an [TS]

  organization that discipline in that way I think like a tributary Creek they read [TS]

  your whoever like they went from the sort of loosey-goosey artistic will [TS]

  release TOS when it's ready Steve Jobs kind of let's figure it out [TS]

  type of thing too much more regimented we're going to put ourselves on a yearly [TS]

  schedule we're gonna be disciplined about that it's that is much more sort [TS]

  of you know a business 101 like we should be able to do this if we if we [TS]

  are inefficient good organization it shouldn't be like well I don't really [TS]

  know in the next coming out it whenever it's done and you know well the iPhone [TS]

  has taken some time with leopards gonna be a little later released every year [TS]

  and stuff doesn't make it doesn't make it but you know the train is leaving the [TS]

  station with or without you I think doing that inside Apple was a really [TS]

  good decision they're just working on like what needs to fit in it and those [TS]

  releases and what else get updated watching updated big news actually that [TS]

  is sort of big news real-time follow up for myself I didn't notice any watch OS [TS]

  updates except I went to kick off the workflow I have to tell Aaron I'm on my [TS]

  way home so this is using the workflow app and it will figure out the driving [TS]

  time from where I am to the house and then [TS]

  you up a text message for Aaron saying I'll be home in like 15 minutes or [TS]

  whatever they used to be on the watch that I would kick off that workflow and [TS]

  I would have to do handoff to actually send the text message but now I can run [TS]

  that workflow and it is capable sending the text message from the watch which is [TS]

  super exciting I know you're I know you're both really happy that that that [TS]

  has changed to watch it they take so long my questions such a small device at [TS]

  a store what is it doing honestly I think it's because the watch is just [TS]

  really slow I mean CPU I seems to be roughly one level of an iPhone 3G s and [TS]

  if you look you look at like deep bench iOS benchmarks by keeping standard [TS]

  iPhone 3G s is about 16 times lower than iPhone success if you think about like [TS]

  the kind of thing it's doing it's running on president at sixteen times [TS]

  lower than we're accustomed to now granted it's a simple OS I'm sure the [TS]

  patching process simpler etcetera but keep that in mind as the baseline of [TS]

  like everything that it does it has to Pacha CPU is going through something 16 [TS]

  times lower than iPhone success story started going to be slower to I wonder [TS]

  what the bottleneck is the bottleneck the CPU is about storage help maybe to [TS]

  politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [TS]

  politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [TS]

  the wireless connection of receiving the update from who knows what it's a lot of [TS]

  things but I think primarily it's because the CPUs you so incredibly slow [TS]

  but mostly I honestly like your thinking about like there's there's been rumors [TS]

  of the second watch coming out possibly even as soon as the spring that radical [TS]

  since last we came out last spring and there there's been rumors about what it [TS]

  might be the biggest one is that it might have FaceTime camera which sounds [TS]

  terrible to me honestly it sound like you would want to be on either end of [TS]

  that conversation but it is what is a little bit disappointing is that I [TS]

  haven't heard anything about it being faster all the rumors are about facing [TS]

  cameras on wifi abilities and I hope they can make it faster because I had a [TS]

  lot of trouble figuring out like how to really use the waters beyond the watch [TS]

  face anything involving apps or even glance on the watch I have gotten very [TS]

  little in to end and part of it is because it's just so incredibly slow to [TS]

  do pretty much anything so if the watch gets a lot faster over the next few [TS]

  years I think that will change what we can do with it dramatically I think it [TS]

  will really make a lot more useful for a lot of different like third-party app [TS]

  abilities were right now you do anything on the watch right now and it's takes so [TS]

  long that you're taking up my phone for that kind of sad that the watch like it [TS]

  if the washer to come out an error before my iPhone 6 caliber devices that [TS]

  are just so much fast there maybe wouldn't have as much as compared to [TS]

  what I was I was going to make the comparison the iPhone memory iPhone came [TS]

  out it was a responsive but was it really compared to a net people to these [TS]

  videos like here's an iPhone 1 vs 16 and what's your response and they really did [TS]

  do an amazing job at keeping the iPhone responses but it seems like they they [TS]

  couldn't they couldn't get that kind of perceptive you know received [TS]

  responsiveness in the water just because you're always constantly comparing it to [TS]

  your iPhone 6 which is a bazillion times more powerful yet especially watch get [TS]

  in the first time doing that the remote app thing that just made it even worse [TS]

  so you write the watch does the watch feel slow although when I think of like [TS]

  oh the next version of the watch and we talked about that thank you for the [TS]

  watch need to be as far as I'm concerned other than software being faster thinner [TS]

  just seems like this should be an apples wheelhouse like they're good at making [TS]

  things right and and never will be but maybe not in the next version right but [TS]

  eventually be thinner so we can look forward to the the the Apple watch for [TS]

  that is thinner and faster and now we really started talking and still doesn't [TS]

  necessarily mean you know having spent time with the washing everything I still [TS]

  am not entirely convinced that there is a way you know no matter how fast it was [TS]

  that there is something useful you can do it to watch that is happy in the same [TS]

  way that the phone things are happy I I mostly think of it as I would like to go [TS]

  near a device or into a room or into a place or at a certain time and have the [TS]

  watch look and behave differently based on that so I don't have to mess with it [TS]

  mostly the thing I do is look at the watch and when I look at it because of [TS]

  your area or what time it is or what has happened somewhere else it shows me [TS]

  something that is useful right whether it's a sit down in front of my TV and [TS]

  pick up my rest and I can talk into it uses a series that are hard to find the [TS]

  remote or like when it's time to go I just look at my watch and it tells me [TS]

  the proactive traffic thing like I'm not getting into touching my watch i'm not [TS]

  swiping on it I'm not using digital crown on that pushing buttons are gonna [TS]

  just pushing buttons like the one interaction that are alike with it is [TS]

  double tap and use it as the two do Apple pay cause I don't have to look at [TS]

  the watch that I can feel for the buck double tap that I'm still underneath the [TS]

  sleep in my code I can even see it with it so far that is the most convincing [TS]

  interacts with the washer me and I like like you Marco I'm never like I'm never [TS]

  using that interface with like as if it's tiny phone even even for like three [TS]

  seconds no I mean to me I agree with everything you basically said it's like [TS]

  whenever I'm using the watch it is mostly about quickly glancing at it for [TS]

  the watch to tell me something I am hardly ever touching the watch interact [TS]

  with it on any level really and if I am and maybe one tap or something it's you [TS]

  know very little because [TS]

  if you're going to use the watch for more than about three seconds to do [TS]

  anything it feel like a failure [TS]

  feels like oh I I kind of regret that I should have gone to my phone for this [TS]

  oftentimes you don't need to I mean oftentimes one who like so much about [TS]

  the watch is getting notifications on it but a lot of times I have to take my [TS]

  phone anyway to act on those indications or to even read the whole thing so it's [TS]

  a little bit of a mix peg leg it is nice in theory and sometimes it really is [TS]

  really nice but in practice I have to keep taking my phone out anyway the more [TS]

  the watch can do faster for you without you text me to do anything to it and if [TS]

  you do need to touch it the more can do in very fast response to that sucks the [TS]

  better it is as a product and it doesn't feel like an app platform in a [TS]

  traditional way at all it feels like Apple tried to wedge in a platform onto [TS]

  it and maybe they just didn't realize how it wouldn't really work I think you [TS]

  have to give those capabilities even if those apps like things were talking [TS]

  about could be powered by apps apps are given sufficient powers I think it's [TS]

  kind of like you just have to make the API and see if someone you know they [TS]

  don't know what's going to be like without you don't know what kind of [TS]

  people who make good that Apple is predicted like an angry bird style game [TS]

  would be such a big hit because the touch controls on plane back to little [TS]

  slingshot and everything you just have to kind of get smart to make it a [TS]

  platform whether you could figure out what's going to be the at the work on it [TS]

  or not the more capabilities give people you know no try everything things that [TS]

  don't work like it's not gonna hear back someone tried it [TS]

  sale by its good to have a big open space to experiment it could be that it [TS]

  ends up the none of those things work or could be the Apple has exposed the right [TS]

  capabilities to the apps like if you can imagine a much more powerful watch that [TS]

  gives Absa wariness of like where you are if you're near Apple TV or like sort [TS]

  of background I processing so that third party apps could do any of those things [TS]

  that I assist ride than third party app so have the capability to figure out [TS]

  what people do and don't want from it [TS]

  and you know like I think if you don't make it a platform that it's coming on [TS]

  Apple to figure out every possible thing you could do with useful if you do make [TS]

  it a platform everybody can try all sorts of things most of which were fail [TS]

  and she will figure out what's good for I think so I think it was smart to make [TS]

  it a platform but so far everything people tried including Apple has been [TS]

  like no that's not it [TS]

  keep keep trying to the custom complications I think was a fairly big [TS]

  success because those are things that you know you glance at it tell you stuff [TS]

  but that's a very small success so we're still kind of waiting [TS]

  yeah my update on by the way not being a white person you know I just only things [TS]

  on my wrist and the winter's made it worse because now I have you know [TS]

  heavier coat that I kind of interferes with you know that the heavier coat [TS]

  sleeves and anything long sleeved is not that pleasant and gloves and over and my [TS]

  guess is making it more annoying so I had a couple of days over the past few [TS]

  weeks when I realized I never looked at my watch I put it on the morning to go [TS]

  to work at took it off and homework and during the entire time at work but never [TS]

  vibrated I never looked at it I guess I ignored the stand things or maybe I [TS]

  didn't feel the more I don't know why did you even put it onto a CD and look [TS]

  at it and so now I have it feels really uncomfortable when Jack in my clothes [TS]

  and i know i had days where did it all go now a few days I've decided you know [TS]

  I'm not wearing today so I don't know if I'm slowly like a again it doesn't take [TS]

  much to make me not wanna wear it because I am so not a watch person so I [TS]

  may that's my new thing now instead of putting on every time I remember [TS]

  sometimes I remember to put it on and I choose not to so that's you know I'm not [TS]

  as bad for the watch I was not a wise person and the operation make me a lot [TS]

  person I still think it looks nice I still like wearing it sometimes if I was [TS]

  going to like go out on the town or walk around the city or go I would definitely [TS]

  wear it because I think it would earn its keep then but four days when I just [TS]

  can't get into the office and center front of my computer all day and come [TS]

  home sometimes it doesn't earn its keep yeah I'm gonna see I I mention I'm [TS]

  getting a mechanical watch this Christmas and I'm gonna try [TS]

  at day today for a while and just see like you know my eye I do like having a [TS]

  walk a lot now but I don't know if I like it just because I like the fashion [TS]

  ability and time [TS]

  aspects of it but I'm a special staring at like you look at the operator screen [TS]

  all day at the times that you're hiding the menu bar and noticed an enduring [TS]

  that are you know but I'm not only have my computer I wish I was but somehow I [TS]

  think you're Irish picture where is my car right now [TS]

  computer I wish your in line for tickets out sometimes and if its new york online [TS]

  yeah yeah but no I mean the reality is you know I have a lifetime ban around [TS]

  every family have a house in order to get your hands out every day so you know [TS]

  what time it is [TS]

  yeah I'm not around a lot and I i have been totally converted now I love having [TS]

  the time of my wrist and do that yet rated [TS]

  totally new idea yeah so I love that now but I i'm gona C cos there's also a lot [TS]

  about the Apple I don't really care for and so I'm gonna see like you know I am [TS]

  i watch person or online a polite person so I now know that if this week we think [TS]

  they said Rep response this week [TS]

  Backblaze casper and Squarespace and we'll see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

  case because it was accidental and Marco [TS]

  I'm going to assume Marco you did not get $40 timex what is it Speedmaster [TS]

  whatever it is that I used to wear No [TS]

  you know that would be more intelligent thing to do if you want to just try out [TS]

  wearing a large shopping and Mike tiffany's there it's jewellery and also [TS]

  jewellery as people tell me I mispronounce it maybe there's one thing [TS]

  to enter anyway yeah you're shopping for a lot of the shop is like I find these [TS]

  watches are you never gonna buy you gonna find one that looks nice to you [TS]

  and then after that it's like ok looks nice but is it terribly uncomfortable [TS]

  nowhere and so on and so forth but yeah and honestly I I have found very few [TS]

  watches in like most likely the big brands like Rolex immediately there were [TS]

  very few of those that i've seen that I thought I would like that forever reason [TS]

  it most well-respected mechanical watches just their design aesthetics [TS]

  does not mess with me at all like I I just don't get it you know it doesn't do [TS]

  anything for me a lot of them they seem like they're like made for like diving [TS]

  there's so many of these big one of these like 10 mechanical watches that [TS]

  are just like made for a like racing and diving and stuff like that their boats [TS]

  are really made for that well but they look like that maybe people who would [TS]

  like to think of themselves as someone who might go racing or dive but never [TS]

  actually well right but then they have all this garbage all over the face and [TS]

  it's like i don't know what that I i want something that just looks nice and [TS]

  simple it's like the non-functional hood scoop on cars everything has connected [TS]

  to anything was like if you had something that you know to have fresh [TS]

  air forced into it that might make your engine more powerful you don't have one [TS]

  of those but we can put a hold your head anyway and you'll feel cool so the watch [TS]

  that I was referring to the cheapo watch that you should get is not the [TS]

  Speedmaster I'm tryna get angry emails about that it's the Timex [TS]

  weekender and I will put a link into the chat in the show notes this is what I [TS]

  used to wear not this exact but not this band but it was the same face this was [TS]

  used to watch it's a delightful simple classic watch that's honestly that's [TS]

  nice I like that it's $25 in like the band the band is techno the band is [TS]

  terrible i different than the interface is nice it's a nice watch so you could [TS]

  try out your new found love of something else that's expensive in frivolous with [TS]

  this $25 watch but now because it's Marco you gonna get something expensive [TS]

  in frivolous that's right all those big expensive I specimens like you said [TS]

  Casey did like the style for many fancy watches has just been to like to be like [TS]

  just giant hunks of metal like I already find anything I marathon comfortable and [TS]

  you just gonna make it worse by being filled it really heavy like hard jagged [TS]

  lumpy medal just came to think about and and I have to risk and have weird shape [TS]

  wrist watches enough sooner by a pocket watch you know what I would buy a pocket [TS]

  watch a play which is another reference you guys don't get I would buy that but [TS]

  I would not buy regular watch and we all have our vices and yeah I guess Mark [TS]

  Anderson in here in need of another one did you figure out headphones now you [TS]

  think about coffee figure out headphones may need some historic on the hunt for [TS]

  headphones never satisfied so he's a new one comes out here we think this promise [TS]

  maybe this will be the one that is lighter than my other phone but also [TS]

  sounds good but has a better record that doesn't flake out but this but that like [TS]

  like me and toasters [TS]