462: Time Moves the Sun
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade Episode 462, recorded live from Apple Park.
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My name is Mike Hurley, and I'm joined sitting right next to me by Jason Snow. Hi, Jason.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Hurley told me earlier today, and I can report this exclusively here on Upgrade,
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that this is one of the greatest days of his life.
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It is indeed. I made it. I have dealt with lots of jokes at the expense of my friends
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about if I would make it to the keynote today, and I'm happy to report I made it to the keynote today.
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Yeah, you were right behind me.
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I was right behind you. We were—
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We were in the sun. There's a very narrow part of the area—
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We were in the sun for a short period of time.
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Yes, and then the sun went away behind me.
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We actually had really good seats for that reason. So there was kind of like,
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tons of seats outside, half under a canopy, and then some kind of sitting behind, right?
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Like kind of like a—like it kind of in towards the building, and we were right on the edge.
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So at first it was sun there, so no one was sitting there. So like, all right, we'll sit there.
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But then as the sun went away, because time moves the sun, that's how that works.
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It is. No, that's how it works. And then we were in shade. It was lovely. And we had great seats.
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For quite an incredible time.
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Quite a show, yeah.
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So we're just going to get through what we're going to get through,
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so we can start talking about all the announcements of today.
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So keynote was incredible. I had a wonderful time. It was amazing to watch it.
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We got to go to the Steve Jobs Theater, and I went there for the first time.
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Just amazing. I'm going to take some time to process all of this, I think.
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I think it's going to—
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It's a big day.
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It's got to settle in for me a little bit.
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Big day for Mike.
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Now we move into draft results.
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So we actually did some adjudication before the episode.
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It's a quiet ceremony, adjacent to this podcast studio at Apple Park.
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Mike and I got together, had a discussion, and consulted with Stephen Hackett on a key feature.
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And we've decided, and have shaken hands on it, that the final score was 10-10,
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with Mike winning on the tiebreaker because the keynote was about two hours and five minutes long.
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I was—we were getting an hour and 56, and I'm like, "Oh, the tiebreaker's going to me."
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No, yeah, yeah.
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Because they were like, "Now let's talk about the technology."
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And I'm like, "Oh, I'm good."
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At about 150, I thought, "Oh no, we've gone it. It's not going to happen now."
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So we'll probably go through another time the actual scoring, maybe,
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because again, there's a ton to do today.
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But I'm happy with that 10-10.
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Well, the key thing to know about this is we did the other category.
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I went into the other category thinking firmly that there would be no Mac stuff announced here.
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Mere days after we recorded that, it became clear that Mac stuff would be announced here.
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And that was pretty much all she wrote.
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Yeah, take it in.
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Yeah, I'm happy to win.
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So I'm keeping the draft dream alive.
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I reckon there's probably only one more event this year.
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I mean, you never know, but probably.
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It feels like maybe.
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So, well, who knows, actually?
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Because this is the thing that I think I'm most surprised about.
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We're going to talk about in-depth reality—no, wait, it's not—
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it's called Apple Vision Pro.
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Apple Vision.
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Classic, a name from history, brought back.
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But the timing of it is interesting to me.
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I guess we'll hear more about it in September, but we might not.
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We might not.
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We might be.
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We might wait until like December maybe, or early next year, depending on when it's available.
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Which is kind of fascinating.
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Alright, but we need to get into Apple Vision Pro.
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Let me take our first break, and we'll start breaking it down.
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I maybe have never felt less prepared for a show than I feel right now.
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Yeah, we, um, two things.
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First off, we last night were talking about this and there comes a moment when those of
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us who enjoy preparing for podcasts or anything else in life realize there's literally nothing
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more you can do because we don't know the answers until 10 a.m. on Monday.
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And so you can't prepare in advance.
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You really can't.
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And then secondarily, we've been running around Apple Park all day, whereas normally you are
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watching from somewhere and watching the keynote and then afterward you do some diligent work
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and I'm running around and don't know what's going on.
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And then you tell me, so what's going on?
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My biggest thing, and I have no doubt because the Upgradients have listened to this show
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forever, they, you know, they know our stories.
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I decided today to not take notes during the keynote.
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I wanted to sit and just watch it and enjoy it and be around all my friends and like have
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that experience rather than sitting there as I would normally do and taking all my notes.
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So we're going a little bit more off the dome today, but I thought it would be best to start
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by talking about Apple Vision Pro.
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Uh, straight up the name.
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I looked and I don't think we ever predicted it, although I think maybe I saw or participated
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in a conversation somewhere where it came up as a list of possible names and because
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somebody mentioned, because Apple Vision at one point there was a monitor called Apple
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I think in the power early power Mac era, Apple had a branded monitor called Apple Vision.
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So name floating out there.
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I think it's a better name than any of the other names that were rumored about it.
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I think it's actually a very good name.
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And is it Vision OS?
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It is Vision OS.
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Also a good name.
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Reality or XR or VR or AR.
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Just got to hand it to the marketing team there.
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They did it.
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I think the interesting thing is that, I mean, I do wonder if they were trying to lead people
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off this cause there are a lot of trademarks, right?
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I think, well, I think at one point you were doing it to cover all your bases and then
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at another point you keep it going because what you really want to do is, um, not give
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And also as you say, like who knows when this part is actually decided, it's like one of
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the least important things in the overall idea of the PR create in the presentation
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does not come out until 2024.
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There are no boxes, right?
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There's no, there's no story here.
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There's no developer story.
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There's literally a price and next year and that's it.
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So they can call it, I mean, honestly they could have called it anything.
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I think there's going to be more of a developer story over the next couple of days.
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Cause they gave some basic kind of outlines of these that we're using the same tools and
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stuff, you know, and you know that.
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And I think one of the presenters did say that there would be more this week and more
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I expect the state is for context, you know, cause saying about not being prepared.
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So we watched the keynote, went to the hands on area.
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I went and got a coffee and then we came straight to record and you also had a briefing in that
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time when I was grabbing a drink.
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And so we, we are currently counter programming the state of the union, which I have no doubt
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that talking about in the state of the union and I'm sure that there will be a bajillion
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sessions because it's what people want to know.
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I mean more that there is, there was no sort of like how do developers get their hands
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on the hardware, which maybe that story will happen too.
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But the point is, um, this product is not like, we got a lot of products today that
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we'll talk about later where it seemed like they were never going to come out or they
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were not going to come out for a very long time.
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And then they're like, Oh yeah, next week it'll be there.
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This was not that right.
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This is, this is so far out there and this is a unique chance where Apple has a brand
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new product that they can pre-announce it.
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They can lay all the groundwork they want in whatever way they want and they don't have
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to, I mean literally they could have changed other than recording the videos.
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Like the night before they recorded the videos for this, they could have changed the name
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if they wanted to.
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So they had that freedom that they don't usually have, but they chose a great name.
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I think it's a good name.
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The, we talk about the hubber a ton obviously, right?
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But the biggest thing is the screen on the front.
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The eyesight.
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Is that, is that what that's called?
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It seemed before today like an impoten- like an impossible thing to get to look right.
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But in all of the imagery, and again, neither of us have actually seen, I've seen the hardware,
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but not on, or like it like just playing like with no eyes.
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Uh, I from, from the photos from the videos, they've nailed that and that is ingenious.
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I want to give some credit to Mark Gurman who kept by this when everybody else was like,
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this seems unreasonable.
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And we were talking about this again last night when we were, we were hanging out.
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Um, I, I keep thinking, and I kept thinking in this last week that Apple, I really believe
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that all those stories about the debate about does headset technology do VR and AR separate
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you from the real world and separate you from people.
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And if you look at this presentation, you can see the care that Apple took every step
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of the way, including in the hardware to make a product that is harder, a lot harder to
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accuse of not caring about human interaction and not caring about cutting people off from
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And the screen is a part of that story.
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The fact that they made it lenticular lens, which is if you ever bought like a baseball
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card or a, or a collector's card of some kind where it's got the funny kind of, or a DVD
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even where there's a, it's got the funny ridges so that when you move it, it looks like the
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person is moving or they're in 3d.
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That is what lenticular is.
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And that's what the screen is.
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And the idea there is if you're to their left, it's like you're looking in from the left.
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And if you're to the right, it's like you're looking in from the right.
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So it's giving this illusion of depth that it, that furthers the idea that this person
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you're actually sort of seeing through, even though there's hardware in the way, it's like
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you're seeing through ski goggles or something to their eyes.
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And that's the effect that they want.
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And the idea that it also serves, let's talk about Google glass for a second.
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One of the big criticisms of Google glass was like, Oh, they may be videoing me.
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They may be, you know, taking pictures of me.
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And they had a whole story here, which is first off, if you see the eyes, they're looking
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If you don't see that, they can't see you.
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They also then had the idea that you could be in this environment, but then if somebody
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walks up to you, you see them, which is an incredible moment.
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Everybody was like gasping.
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And so you ladies are the size of a mountain, right?
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Like it's like she was looking out on like a vista of mountains or something like that.
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And then like a colleague comes and sits down or a friend sits down and there's just like
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sitting next to the mountain.
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So you end up with this scenario and then they, the privacy angle, which I thought was
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so good that, I mean, it's very typical Apple, but I thought it was really well done.
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The idea that you have all these cameras that are looking out over your house.
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Well, what is that?
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Where does, where does that camera data go?
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And the answer is nowhere.
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We're not going to let it go anywhere.
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And when you see people, you know, where does that go?
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And the answer is nowhere.
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We're not going to let that go anywhere.
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And that's part of the story too.
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But fundamentally, I think Apple is trying to approach this product from the most humane
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standpoint possible, which is you should be able to see your surroundings when you want
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to, and people should know what you're doing and it shouldn't cut you off.
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Unless you totally want to be cut off.
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I did like that moment where they're on an airplane and it's like goodbye.
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Yeah, that was great.
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But even on an airplane, I'd kind of like to know if somebody is trying to get my attention,
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What people come up to you.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So I think that they did a really good job of telling that story, which I was, I have
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to say last night when we were talking about it, I felt like if I would bet anything, it
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would have been that they would have done that.
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And I think the story started immediately with Tim Cook and the way they're positioning
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this product.
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This is an AR product.
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That is what this is.
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It looks like a VR product.
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It will work like a VR product if you want.
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But for Apple, this is an AR product.
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They leaned into augmented reality.
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The majority of the demos are looking into an environment.
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Every context was you're going to start in the real world.
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You start the product in the real world.
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You start any experience in the real world.
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And then they would say, or you know, you can watch a movie in your house or you can
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watch it on Mount Hood or in space or whatever.
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And they say, that's great.
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But they always start with, you know, you're working in your office and somebody comes
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up to you or you can turn that dial.
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You can turn that digital crown dial and turn your back on the world.
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But you have to choose to exit the world.
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And that again, without changing the hardware or software at all, you could make claims
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that this is a VR product that has AR.
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You could do that because it will do that.
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We didn't even see any games that are pure VR experiences, which is like the number one
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application for VR.
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One of the presenters said during that part, this is just the start of the gaming story
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for vision pro.
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And I feel like that was like, Hey, yes, we have only shown you someone playing a PlayStation
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with a PlayStation controller, which is not gaming for this device realistically.
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So it feels extremely intentional to me that they really didn't want to show cutoff experiences
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that weren't influenced by the real world.
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Cause it was all like no fitness demo.
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And like I turned to one underscore about this and he was surprised that maybe the second
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Maybe they'll show games then maybe they'll show fitness then when maybe people have had
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more time to sit on it.
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They will certainly have at least one more opportunity to introduce the world to this
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This is step one.
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And I think that they've held some things back, not even necessarily for technical reasons,
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but because they want to tell this very particular message about what this product represents
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and it is connected to reality, not turning your back on reality.
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Spatial computing.
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That's the term that we're going to be very used to hearing.
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That's the new term.
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That's what this is.
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And it's, you know, the, I was joking about this on connected, but I think we're here
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is like the age of skeuomorphism is back like, but it's different now.
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But the, the UI design has a tactility to it.
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It looks like it's real, like it's physical things laid on top of each other.
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Like even the app icons, there's like a distance between the background and the foreground.
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There was a lot of that going on.
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And this idea of we saw it, right?
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Like you'd open an app and your other app would go to the left and you'd look over there
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and you would be able to see your apps and like it's all kind of physically around you.
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That's what this is.
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They calling it the spatial computing device.
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Like that's what vision OS is going to be.
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Variable spatial computing.
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This is, it's interesting, right?
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Because I think a lot of this stuff has been maybe sort of second rate.
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Like it's a, yeah, it's a game machine or it's a, it's a using a phone processor or
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it's tethered to a, tethered to a game console, right?
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In the case of the PSVR and Apple strength is saying, this is another mobile device.
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This is a wearable spatial computer.
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Apple understands computers.
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They understand technology.
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They understand wearables.
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Like so what Apple wants you to do is think of this product in terms of Apple's strengths.
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And I think that that's super smart.
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I think that them spending time on having an M2 as well as a custom chip in order to
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do all of the real time processing shows you that that's how you want this to feel.
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Now I will also admit that as they kept saying that, um, the, you know, that part of this
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product, I started to think the more they say this is a computer and it's a spatial
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computer and it's using Apple's prowess.
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I thought every time they do that, the price goes up.
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Because what did they call it?
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The most advanced computer they've ever made or something like that?
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It was the most advanced personal electronic device ever in the world ever.
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I mean, and when they showed just the, all of the sensors and because, because powered
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by the R1 chip, which is in combination with the M2 chip, I was kind of like, yeah, you
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know, I can see that this looks like it's doing just an obscene amount of work.
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Twelve cameras, five sensors, six microphones, uh, two 4k displays plus the external display.
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And you know, this is what we all sort of were expecting, which is something that is
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going to max out, um, what's possible because they want to show, I really believe this.
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They want to show this technology and this entire concept of what a device can be in
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the best light possible rather than it being something that's sort of like broken but affordable.
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They want to show it first and foremost as amazing.
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And then they'll deal with making it affordable down the road.
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In fact, at several points they did say, this is the closest you'll ever get to Apple talking
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about future products is this is the first step.
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They said that several times.
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It's clear in the name.
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Why is pro in the name?
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Like when there's no other thing, it's just this.
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This is just the beginning.
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Tim Cook says at one point it's a first step, but I will say every time they talked about
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the technological prowess, I did think less and less likely that they were going to be
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a price that was surprising us in a positive way.
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And so when they dropped the price at $34.99, which is $500 more than anybody expected it
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to be, even in the highest thing.
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I loved the build up to that where you listed all of the things inside of it.
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Like here we go.
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Where it's like, well look, but you're getting this cameras and these things and all that
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and all that.
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And you end up with this price.
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Now that's an incredibly expensive thing.
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I will say that the beauty of being in the reality distortion field as you and I were
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today is you had the moment where they say $34.99 and you're like, I don't care what
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Just give it to me now.
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I feel when they said that I was like, Oh, cause it is, it was more, but having watched
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that presentation, I was kind of like, yeah, you know, I think I can see why.
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And I kind of agree to do it this way.
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I think they justified it.
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I think that they're going to be lots of people who are going to say it's too expensive, quite
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And they're going to say a lot of people won't buy it.
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Which we've heard that even Apple actually behind the scenes thinks that it's going to
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be a relatively low volume product.
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It's step one.
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They're producing it in low volume.
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It's US only.
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I think exactly.
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I think though it will be harder.
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You can still make the case cause anybody can have a hot take, but I think it'll be
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harder to make the case that the price is unjustified.
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Because I think, I think Apple has one of the things they had to do today was say, here's
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why it's like this.
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It's because we spared no expense and we did all these things and we did this for a reason.
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And so I think it's a perfectly reasonable analysis for somebody to say at that price,
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they're not going to sell any of it.
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It's going to be extremely limited and they're going to need to do better.
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And I'm, I'm, I would bet that behind the scenes people at Apple would say, well, of
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course this is the first step.
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We were going to start here and set the bar.
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But I think I would not agree with anybody who said, look at this thing.
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I can't believe they priced it the way they did because that's a different argument, right?
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It's not the, can it sell at that price?
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It's is there enough technology in that product for you to understand that price?
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And on that, on that level, yes, I do.
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I get why it costs what it costs, even though I also kind of blanch at it and say, you know,
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because and that'll be part of the developer question too.
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Developers will have to say is how long am I going to have to do work on this platform
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before I'll be able to make money?
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Because if they're going to be only, you know, a few hundred thousand of these sold in the
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first year, um, I'm going to have to, you know, you're, Apple's going to be asking them
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to make an investment in the long haul in hope of that future return in two or three
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or four years or five or longer.
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You know, this is one of those things.
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I was talking with our friend, Mike Sargent on clockwise.
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We're both going to be on clockwise today as well.
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So check out relay FM, uh, clockwise.
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And we both looked at each other and we were thinking the same thing.
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And he said, maybe it's because I'm here and I'm excited about this, but I feel like I
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just watched the iPhone keynote from 2007 I want to feel that way because that's exciting
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But I truly feel like I've seen something special today.
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Like even, so we went to the Steve jobs theater and upstairs they had the max, we'll talk
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about the max in a bit downstairs.
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They had just the hardware on like a plinth and I took some photos and the photos looked
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like the photos from Mac war 2007 where it's just, here's the hardware suspended and there
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are just too many people to count taking photos.
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And I guess the thing about the 2007 one, there wasn't cameras as such.
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It was just people looking cause there was no iPhone to take the photo.
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There were people there with traditional cameras, but it was mostly just today.
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We should have taken a picture.
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And there is, I think something about this.
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I mean I believe in this general sense of technology anyway.
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I have for awhile, I think that there is something interesting here in AR and VR, but what they
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showed today, the package that they put together of what this thing does, the level of production
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for the videos, the detail that they went into, it feels to me like we may look back
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on this one in 10 years and be like, Oh man, that was, I mean that's what they're shooting
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It's going to be a historic day one way or another.
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Um, I don't think there's going to be any in between either.
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This is going to be the beginning of something big, which Apple thinks it is or it's not
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at which point we're going to be like, wow, Apple really thought there was going to be
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something there.
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But um, so the moments where I, there were a few moments where the magic kind of fell
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apart for me.
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Um, where in the attempt to show how useful this thing is, cause one of the challenges
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is how, how is this useful?
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Why would you use it?
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It's trying to explain, I think the fundamental question, everybody I talked to when I say
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Apple's doing a headset, they ask, well, why, why, why, why would I do it?
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Why would I use it?
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Why would I buy one?
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And they made some very good points.
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Uh, when they showed Microsoft office apps running, Dan Morin was sitting next to me
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and he had a, he laughed out loud and I thought, well, I want to do this.
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It is, it is kind of like, well, when you go to, when you go to Microsoft, but a place
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where it lost me and I have, I think there's a reason for it.
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One of the places that it lost me was in the, um, we created this amazing, uh, 3d photo
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thing so that you, so that when your child's having its birthday party, you can wear a
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headset and take 3d images of your child doing it.
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And there were a few other things that were kind of like that where you're like, well,
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you could do that, but why now I will make a fearless projection here, which is that
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3d camera technology is coming to the iPhone because how would you not, cause that's what
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you want to do is take 3d video and photos on your iPhone and then watch them on the
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The idea about having a 3d camera on the thing is smart.
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You can take pictures when you have it on a thing happens to take a photo, but there
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was a dystopian moment of here's the birthday party, which means you are wearing this thing
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at the birthday party.
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Like that is, and I know why, I know why they did it because clearly there are several shots
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in this thing where people are walking around doing stuff in the real world.
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And that is sending the message that this is not a thing that you put on your head and
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then you stay still and don't interact with the real world.
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They want people to think this is mixed reality, but that went a little too far.
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Um, and I think that there were a few other moments like that that looked to me like trying
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a little too hard to sell.
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And the truth is that some of these things won't be the reasons people want it and then
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others will be and they're taking their shot.
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But there are definitely a few moments where I thought, well, it's cool that it does this,
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but there are lots of other ways to do this.
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I do appreciate that and applaud them for the idea that they have a vision of extended
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workspaces, whether you're at work or traveling, where, you know, that moment, the moment that
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Federico I know just lost it, um, was because he was sitting right behind me right next
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to you, um, was, and Dan, Dan reacted this way too.
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It was very funny.
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The crowd really reacted was when you put the Mac laptop down on the table and the screen
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goes out and a giant screen appears floating above it.
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That is just super cool.
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It's known reason to do it that way, but I just love it that way.
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That's right.
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Well that's, that's like, just look at your Mac and then there's a huge screen in front
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And then the, what I really liked, I'm very keen to know if they're going to allow you
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to have multiple Mac screens that you could, right.
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But what they did do, which like you've got your Mac and your vision, OAS apps on either
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side and they can all interact with each other.
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Which can be iPhone and iPad apps.
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Which is, I mean, that will work fantastically.
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The vision here is that instead of having to have a bunch of big displays, huh, you
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can have a bunch of virtual displays and you can do that at your office.
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You could do that at a hotel room.
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You can do that wherever.
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And I think that that's really interesting.
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We haven't even talked about the interaction model, which I think is also very interesting.
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They're scanning your eyes.
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They're doing eye tracking.
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That's good for foveated rendering where they don't, they can focus the highest resolution
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stuff which is very clever.
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But also it knows where you look.
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By the way, that was a great part of the privacy thing.
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Cause imagine TikTok, like I don't like TikTok because it knows when I stop on a video for
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five seconds.
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Imagine if TikTok knew exactly what images on the video drew your attention.
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They're reading your mind, it's gross.
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And they're like, no, we don't do that.
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There's a totally different system.
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I appreciated that.
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But they also showed people curled up on a couch and they're looking at stuff and they're
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just doing very subtle gestures with their hands because they're doing a click.
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Cause it can, it knows where you're looking and you're making some very limited gestures.
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You know, there's like a scroll gesture and a click gesture and a, and like a pinch to
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zoom gesture.
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And they're very simple.
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And I, I like how that looks, how it works in practice.
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I don't know how comfortable it's going to be.
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So like, if I feel like the gestures still looked more than an iPhone, you know, if you're
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scrolling through an iPhone, you scroll up your iPhone, you just do it with your thumb,
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There was a lot of like movement of the hand and I, and I'm not convinced about the, the
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like how that will feel to do.
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But what I like is that, that you have the ability to connect peripherals to the, to
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You can use a track pad too.
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Basically I'm thinking if I'm working, I would prefer a keyboard and track pad.
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Even the gaming scenario, they went, they went to it right away.
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Which is look, if you want to play a game, here's a game pad.
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But that's, yes.
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I liked it in that sense.
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That sense that it's like, you're not limited here, but we're going to start you with simple
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So that was playing a game on a fake screen.
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I'm, I still remain intrigued and unconvinced about full VR gaming with just hand tracking
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and so we'll see how that goes.
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And eye tracking, but yes.
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But like the PlayStation VR too has eye tracking and it's one of the things people like about
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it a lot, but they still have the controllers because you need buttons for all of these
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It might be and as it should be, and because VR needs to break out of that model anyway,
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so it can, cause at the moment a lot of VR games are just the same.
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And so this hand tracking, eye tracking combo might make some developers kind of pull out
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of their comfort zones, but realistically people are going to want Beat Saber on this
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and maybe they could do hand tracking Beat Saber.
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I don't know, but you know, like there are going to be things like that.
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Pick your, your special Bluetooth saber accessory at the Apple store.
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But if that's what they do, I think that's fine.
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Like if they, if they ultimately end up working with a company to create an MFI and hand controller,
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I think that, so we'll see.
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We do need to move on.
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I do just want to touch on one last thing, which is the word persona for the 3D thing.
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Digital persona, yes.
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I didn't want to talk about that.
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Not sold on that term.
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It doesn't feel, I feel like they almost didn't want to call it an avatar.
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I feel like that was what you would want to call it, but they can't.
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So they called it, well they could.
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So they called it the digital persona.
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That's going to be interesting.
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I thought it looked incredibly clever, but the truth is you were literally having your
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face 3D scanned and then a digital persona version of you is created.
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I feel like it's going to be some weird stuff.
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I feel like that is going to be, the demo that they showed, it looked very 1.0, which
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is what it is.
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And I can imagine that will only get better, but looked in like just the fact that if they're
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able to do that and it works the way it does in that keynote, that is unbelievable that
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they're able to do that from the cameras on this device because there's no camera actually
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looking at you.
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And I know it's like you use the, you scan your face and then it's using movement to
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try and work out what's going on.
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To match what your actual expression is.
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I'm intrigued what that's going to be like.
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I feel like that's going to be the thing that's going to see the most progression of the time.
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And I think that there's a real question about what do you want your digital persona to represent?
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Because right in this, especially because you're talking about work and FaceTimes and things
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like that, you want it to represent you, but there's also not only do you not necessarily
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want it to represent exactly you, but you may want it to represent you in a particular
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different state.
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Like I have a friend who shall remain nameless, who every time we do a zoom call, she uses
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the zoom lipstick and the zoom eyebrows because she doesn't want to be represented as she
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is in the moment.
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She wants to be represented, augmented in a way.
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And the zoom lets you do that, which is great.
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It's amazing.
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But like, that's, those are some of my questions for this persona is what if I have different
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personas in different places or I want my persona to not look like I actually look.
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And that was not the focus of this, which is fine.
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And it is a 1.0, but I think that it's interesting.
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And also I will say one way you get out of the uncanny valley is to make the persona
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less like you.
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And so people may, people may actually prefer to be more Memoji like.
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And there may be, like, we don't know, right?
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There may be the opposite.
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And there probably is the opposite of just saying, I want to be an elephant or whatever.
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FaceTime calls now.
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Why would you not also be able to do it there?
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But you also have, and you know, realistically, if you're going to show one of them today,
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you'd show this one because it is, it is fascinating from a technological perspective.
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Memoji, we know what that means.
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It's like, how do you do?
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Because here, what they were doing is solving the problem of, and we all thought it because
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they didn't show it until later, which is, isn't it great?
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You're having a FaceTime conversation.
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It's like, well, what are they seeing?
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Because you have this thing on your face and you don't have a camera pointed at you.
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And as they said, if you did it, you would have this thing on your face.
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So how do they do that?
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And then when they show it, you're like, actually you're kind of relieved, right?
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Because it's like, oh, it's not like a picture of my, up my nose or something like that.
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It looks like me kind of.
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And that was the, that was the right answer to give here, but there's gotta be more to
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dig into there.
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Speaking of more to dig into, we are obviously going to spend weeks talking about this thing.
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And there will be much more information.
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Like, I mean, just like over the next few weeks, I think there is going, I would imagine
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the show will be pretty much dominated by talking about this.
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Alright, let's do it.
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So just as an overall thought, if this WWDC stopped before Vision Pro, that's a good WWDC.
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I felt like there was a lot here, way more than expected.
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When they started with, "Hey, we've got some updates to the phone app," like, "Wait, what?
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I wasn't expecting this."
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And there was just some really interesting stuff, and you could see the progression in
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some of these things in the new AirDrop feature, which is namedrop, which is a fantastic name.
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It took me two minutes.
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I was like, "Oh, I get it.
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I'm looking at the poster contact thing."
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This seems to all be coalescing from lock screens.
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These are a lot of features that came from lock screens that are moving on.
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I think the idea that you...
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And it's also coalescing from our custom messages images, right?
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You set a message.
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You set an image for yourself, and that's what your friends see.
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I like it that if I call someone, and I assume if I'm not in their phone book, they will
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now get the image of me and my name.
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That's how I understood that to be.
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I'm not sure if that happens if you're not in their phone book.
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You may have to add them as a contact.
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And you can also...
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Because remember, it's somebody else sending you something, right?
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So they may be wanting to protect you from bad photos that are being pranked to you.
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So I think...
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But if it's in your contacts, and then they have the control at that point, you allow
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them in, and now...
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So you put on a Santa hat or something, because it's Christmas time, and then call me, and
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I'll see that.
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And the whole contact card too is nicer.
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It's not me choosing how to represent you.
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You get to choose how you represent yourself.
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And that means everybody who calls you, who's in your contacts, has this...
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Unless you say, "I don't wanna use that," they have their own custom thing that's very
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I love the idea that...
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And just follow me here.
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Remember Visual Voice Mail?
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That was one of those key features in the original iPhone thing?
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Well, with iOS 17, your phone rings and you wanna send it to Voice Mail.
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You tap Send to Voice Mail.
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And what happens is they don't go to Voice Mail.
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Your phone answers, plays your Voice Mail message, beeps, begins recording and transcribing
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what they say, shows it on the screen, and at any point, if you wanna pick it up, you
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tap the button and say, "Oh no, I'm actually here," like back when we had answering machines
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back 20 years ago.
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And that's all happening on device.
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There's no carrier support required.
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It's all just happening on your iPhone.
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And how many times have...
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I don't know about you.
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I am constantly getting phone calls where I'm like, "I don't know what that is.
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I sent it to Voice Mail."
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And then I look at the Voice Mail transcription and I think, "Oh, I should have answered it."
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And this solves that problem.
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I've absolutely had that problem and it totally solves it.
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So I'm assuming that that kind of dictation is being done with the same new tech that's
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in the dictation and the keyboard, where Apple dropped that they are using a transformer
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machine learning model, which is the transformer is the T in GPT.
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So they are adopting this stuff for autocorrect, for this new transcription stuff.
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That was a big surprise to me that they just, "Hey, we're using transformable models now
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And it looked like a thing that I've really wished from autocorrect for a while is more
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accurate for sentence changing that if I type something out and there's clearly a word,
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the tense is incorrect for the rest of the sentence, or I've left maybe an apostrophe
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out, but then when the rest of the sentence...
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You know I actually meant to say where rather than where, and you could now go back in and
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change that for me.
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Word two seemed to be one of these two things when you typed it, but now that I've gotten
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to the end of the sentence, I know which one it is.
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And so I'm really...
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One, I also want autocorrect to be better because I rely on it and make so many mistakes.
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And now it's going to be doing autocorrection that's personal on device for you, which is
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so good, right?
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Because one of the big failings in autocorrect lately is that they've been using the masses
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Differential privacy.
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...of humanity and the way that they write things, which is, I mean it's nice, it's better
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maybe than nothing, but nothing's going to be better than the way you write.
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And that's how the stories back in the day of like, there would be basically what felt
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like these bugs in everyone's phones where some kind of spelling error would just propagate.
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It would just get in there.
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And there were times they had to put out operating system updates to change a spelling mistake.
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Hats off to Craig Federighi for actually saying ducking.
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That's just so...
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That got a big laugh and was a big surprise.
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So good, so good.
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So I think that's really great and that voicemail feature is brilliant because it serves a need.
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I didn't think new phone app features was on my bingo card, but like, yeah, using essentially
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being able to build a lock screen like thing for your contact.
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So when you call your friends or family, they see you represented as you want.
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That's such a cool, clever idea.
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I got two things in messages that I wanted so bad and gave up on wishing for.
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All emoji as stickers and emoji as tap backs.
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And I'm fascinated by, and I actually wonder how much of this has to do with why do you
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choose the sticker pipeline for this instead of the tap back pipeline?
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Because I thought they would always just eventually add emoji to tap backs and that's not what
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They added stickers to tap backs and they added all emoji to stickers.
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Same result.
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Yeah, I think they're so proud of that object occlusion thing where you can pull someone
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out and now, rest in peace, Sticker Drop, an amazing app that was an iMessage app that's
00:42:18
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come in Sherlock now because Apple now let you add stickers and it's so much easier to
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do because, and also you can make animated ones from live photos.
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I'm very excited about these features, but yeah, it is odd that they didn't just, but
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to be fair, this kind of just feels like a, wouldn't it be good if we had stickers in
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tap backs to, next time we're just going to move forward and just bring it all together.
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And I'm very excited about this.
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Yeah, I think if you had to choose, you would choose this over just emoji picking because
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this is more flexible.
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It's anything as a tap back.
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I love that.
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And I can imagine that it kind of started and it's like, oh, let's just do the whole
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Because if we do this now, are we going to end up doing this later on?
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Like adding stickers to tap, let's just make emoji stickers, stickers, tap back.
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I just liked that I could use emoji as stickers.
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I've wanted that since the beginning of the stickers, right?
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It's just like, I like this, but sometimes I just want to have an emoji and now they're
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all there and I'm very excited about that.
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Let's talk about standby for on iOS.
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It's an interesting feature.
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What I liked about this feature, this is the, you know, you put your phone in landscape,
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uses the always on display and you can show clock or widgets.
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It's like nightstand on the Apple watch.
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The clock images that they use were beautiful.
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Like that kind of like old school alarm clock vibes.
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You can choose.
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I'm very excited about the way that looked.
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And I don't know if you caught it, but if you use different mag safe chargers in different
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places, since the mag safe chargers all have their own unique ID, um, your settings, um,
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stay the same.
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That is provided that you're using, I assume a mag safe charger, not in a magnetic wireless
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charger, right?
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No, I believe it's, I believe it's mag safe.
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Although I don't know.
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I mean, it depends on what the, what the cheese standard is and if there's like an ID number
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that gets passed when you do that.
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I think that might be a mag safe thing.
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So it may just be Apple, but the idea there is that if you've got a mag safe in the kitchen
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and a mag safe in the bedroom and you want them to behave differently in the two different
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places, they will.
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So this standby and a FaceTime on TV OS, this is all leading towards a home pod of a screen.
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This is all leading toward home pod with a screen and Apple TV that is with a camera.
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Both of those things.
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The moment that they announced the, the, um, the stand feature, Dan Morin and I who both
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written extensively about smart assistants in the kitchen and things like that.
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We both just looked at each other immediately.
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Cause it's like, it's when they started going into the details of like, Oh, and you can
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scroll down and there are witches and then you can, and the moment, the real clarity
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moment was, and then you can ask Siri things and it will show them to you on the screen.
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It's like, well, they've built it now.
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They've literally built a smart assistant.
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No longer need to say, Hey, it's just, yeah.
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Um, you know, the software now completely exists to build a standalone smart assistant
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that can live in your kitchen.
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Multiple timers and live in a magical time, like a medical age or something that, that
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was very funny.
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Well, I hear the time makes the sun go around.
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So that's when I heard, I heard about that today.
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Interactive widgets.
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This is a thing that I feel like I know exists now, but I have no idea about what is possible.
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So I can tell you.
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Um, the idea is, yeah, see, I picked this stuff up while you were having coffee.
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Interactive widgets are meant to be, uh, limited.
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I think a calculator widget, sorry James, it's not going to happen.
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But there are some fundamental things that you can do.
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So like they showed the flashcards.
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So I think the idea of toggling informational states is probably in there.
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I'm not a hundred percent on that, but the idea that if you've got a widget that's got
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kind of like two frames, you could go back and forth between them.
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Uh, because that's sort of what's implied by the flashcard thing.
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And then the idea that you can, um, very simple things like check a box.
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So check off a reminder.
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That's the kind of stuff that's intended here is very simple interactions for very basic
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Um, interactive with a widget from your internet, complete a to do play a pause or song or a
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song, like the thing that I'm excited about, right?
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Like I use Timery and now I'd be able to start and stop a timer without ever opening the
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Because the widget will just start and stop it.
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Because there's no text entry necessarily required and if you set it up that way and
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so that's going to be fantastic.
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The dice by Pico could be interactive.
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Me and James were actually talking about this beforehand and I said to him that you're probably
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more likely to have that, right?
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Whereas like you can, you compress and you'll get the Apple just provide you a number rather
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than being able to type it.
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I just need it all going to be like a keyboard.
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There's no keyboard.
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There's no keyboard for sure.
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But I'm excited about that.
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It makes widgets are good.
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Like I'm sure there's some grumpy person out there who doesn't say so, but like I think
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of the things that Apple has introduced in the last few years.
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These new widgets are very good.
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They're really nice.
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I didn't want them to, I really liked the way they look and I didn't want them to go
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too far back to what they were.
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So I think just something in the middle is a really nice touch.
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The journaling app looks fantastic.
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Like I like the way it looks.
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I think they've, they've put a lot of thought into it.
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I'm super happy that there's an API so people can give their information to the journaling
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I wish there was, I doubt there is, I wish there was an API that went the other way.
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It doesn't go the other way.
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So, so other journaling apps can use that information, but other, Oh yeah.
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So this is it.
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Other journaling apps can use that information.
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What you can't do is have apps contribute things into what's known by the journaling
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But that's fantastic.
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But yes, so if you're day one, if you're day one, you should be able to use this API and
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get the same stuff that the journaling app is getting from Apple.
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I'm over the moon happy about that.
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Cause I just think it's the right way to be.
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I think it would have been really mean.
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Almost everything they announced today, if you notice, they're like, it does this great
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And there's an API for developers.
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I mean, this is a developer conference.
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That's the way to do it.
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There's like an API and areas, right?
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Like an API to offer this information up to the journaling app.
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So like, so like you can say like, Hey, I make a podcast app and I can say to the API,
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like, Oh, someone listened to this podcast.
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No, it's the other, it's the other way.
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It's the other way.
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So I don't believe this is my understanding.
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Don't ask me how I know that, that like apps can't contribute items to your day of things
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that have happened.
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Also the rumor that it was going to be all about proximity and stuff.
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That's also not true.
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Um, so how does it know when it says it like you shared the day with interactions with
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people like texts or, or, uh, phone calls or I believe their faces in photos.
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Well, that's cool.
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That's better than the fine line thing.
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Cause I thought it might, it was a bit weird.
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I really want to know more about it, but like I, I like what they're doing.
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I liked that there's prompts.
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I liked that there is, uh, there is a focus on mental health of it.
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I like the way that they've positioned this app.
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I think it looks very good.
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The icons are very pretty.
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This is one that I want to spend more time digging into on iOS is like, I'm really, really
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One of the things I'm most excited about is playing around with that.
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Cause I just think it's like a cool thing that they did.
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Lighting round.
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iPadOS, we have lock screen customization.
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We have widgets.
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That's great.
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More flexibility with stage manager who had that one on their bingo card seriously is
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a thing that was going to happen this time.
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Well, unfortunately my bingo card was lid closed, which didn't happen, but I will point
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out that you can't do lid closed unless you have something like support for the webcam
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and the external display.
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So that's all got to come before.
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Which they now have.
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So maybe we're on the, on the board to getting to lid closed, clamshell mode eventually.
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Also, yeah, the more flexibility thing, the idea that you can, for example, my complaint
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was always I tend to work with one window in the center.
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That's my primary window that I'm working in when I'm writing a story.
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And then I like to have some other windows kind of off to the side.
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And um, you kind of couldn't do that with stage manager before cause they would say,
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no, that's unbalanced.
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Let's just put it two up.
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I don't want it to up.
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And now you're going to be able to do that.
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I don't trust stage manager until I try it now.
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Because it looked perfect the first time.
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We were, we were doing Federico and I were doing like slow-mos of the animations trying
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to understand what we were seeing.
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And I'm very excited to see, hopefully maybe there's some changes to my quest stage manager.
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Maybe if I'm lucky, I would like some enhancements.
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I want to do a quick shout out to PDF because people are like, what?
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That's like phone app.
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Like why are we doing this?
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And I'll tell you, I twice in the last year have been in a situation where I wanted to
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do a collaborative markup of a PDF with somebody like, like a puzzle and you want to solve
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it together or something.
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And I, what I did is I brought it into free form and it was terrible.
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And now they're just like, no, you can just do it with PDFs.
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We're not going to make you go into some other app in order to do the markup.
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You can just mark up PDFs together.
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Also using machine learning to like figure out this is a form and yeah, all of that.
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It's just, it's really great.
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PDF is one of those things that I know it sounds boring, but like it's paper at this
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It is what Adobe wanted it to be all along, which is like, it's digital paper.
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Everybody uses it.
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Everybody uses the format.
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And so to see the ability to do that kind of thing, including shared markup with Apple
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Just, I know it's boring, but like I've literally had multiple times where I've tried to do
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it and had that moment, which is like, this should be easier and now it will be hopefully.
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So that's great.
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The Mac got TV, the TVOS screen savers, which is awesome.
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Which is, I'm very happy with that.
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Widgets on the desktop.
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On the desktop.
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Where they do the haze over kind of thing where they fade into the background and then
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you click on desktop and they come back up as full color and all of that, but they're
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And then it obviously benefits from the other stuff.
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There wasn't.
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Mac gaming got a segment.
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Who had that?
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That's a big deal.
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Game mode, basically like if you put a game in full screen, the Mac now will actually
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know that you're playing a game and that it gets priority for the CPU and the GPU, which
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I actually launched No Man's Sky the other day cause it came out for the Mac.
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And I still had like Safari and Mime Stream and a whole bunch of other apps open.
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And like, it just was, the frame rate was terrible.
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And I was like, oh yeah, I need to quit all my other apps.
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Well the prospect here is that if you launch a game when you have other apps running on
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your Mac, the Mac goes, oh, you're playing a game now and prioritizes that for the CPU
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and the GPUs.
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That should help a lot.
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Lower latency.
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That's really good.
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And then they're, yeah, they're increasing their Bluetooth sampling.
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They've lowered the audio latency.
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The whole idea here, like is this going to solve everything about the Mac being a gaming
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No, but it's, it's, it helps.
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I mean, genuinely, I think Hideo Kojima and the things he said were a very big deal to
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Like bringing Death Stranding is fine.
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Like Death Stranding is not a new game.
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And like, but he said like, and our future games, future projects.
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And I'm excited about this as like the start of a new future of Mac gaming.
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I was like, oh damn, that's a huge deal.
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Like that is a, I was excited about that.
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And again, he has nothing to do with No Man's Sky.
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I have no idea why that became a thing.
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But anyway, not so much on the Mac.
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And what else on watchOS as well was leading up to it, like, oh, this is going to be like
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the biggest change for our operating system.
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It's so what it, there's stuff, it's new and it looks cool, but it's not, it's not a complete
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rethink except I've got a couple of things about the watch.
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One is the way that the widgets are built is that you scroll the crown and the widgets
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come up on top of your watch face.
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That's really good.
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And you can choose what widgets go there, which means that you, you, if you value widgets,
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you can get to them very quickly.
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You don't have to launch an app and you don't have to be limited to a complication.
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That's really good.
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It also means that if you're somebody who uses complications, cause you can make a widget
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with complications in it.
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So it means that if you have watch faces that you wanted to use, but you can't because you
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need complications, just use those watch faces now.
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Cause you scroll up and there are your complications.
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They're right there to tap, to go to, you know, to check your rings or whatever you want to
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So that's all really good.
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It doesn't feel like a rethink, although I did like the part of the app design change
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that they made that I really liked is the idea that apps basically have complications
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in the corners.
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And that's how you do it.
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And that, that I will say after 10 years of Apple watch development, that's a great example
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of Apple realizing how people use the watch.
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Like, Oh, watch users understand about little icons in the corners that have meetings logical
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Let's use that to solve this problem.
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All the time, there's stuff in the corners on your Apple watch.
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Why would it not be all the time?
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Like it's, it's, it's one of the things that makes a lot of sense.
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So, so that part, so it's not, it's not the watch was rethink that we thought, but I think
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those are two tangible things that improve watchOS.
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But it's, it's, it's effectively like a rethink of the serial watch face.
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Bringing it to the whole system and saying, why is it limited to that?
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Cause I never used the serial watch face cause I didn't really like it even though I liked
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the idea of it.
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And this is like, well, no, no, just use whatever watch face you want.
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And all that information is just right there for you.
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I think that's good.
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I'm intrigued.
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I'm intrigued how that's going to play out.
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I think it could be really cool to have more information kind of just there.
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And obviously the, the widgets will be more information rich than a complication.
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And so like I may, for example, stop using my weather complication cause I'll use a widget
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and then I have a new complication space.
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So like there's a little bit.
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So if you want to put your weather at the top, that's what I would want to do.
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Or if you wanted to put the complications at the top, you could write, so then you could
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use the photo watch face and still have your complications just to one little, and you're
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right there.
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That's good.
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That's really cool.
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Um, the mood tracking thing, it looks like a really nice experience.
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I, I like the visualness of it.
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That I think is very nice to use.
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It's pleasant to use, which is what you would want from a thing like that if you were feeling
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down, right?
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That like you don't have to say how you're feeling.
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You can just choose from a visual.
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Like I think that there is a, there's a nicety to that.
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I like that.
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And then it tracks it.
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So it's got, it's able to gain some insight about whether you're, you know, you're feeling
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down or if you, you, you know, it's understanding your history.
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And I liked the quizzes and stuff that you're able to take that you evaluations.
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It was really nice.
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Can I mention that we were doing the iOS lightning around here?
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I just want to point out that, or the, the OS, that there was, there were, there was
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iOS, iPadOS, MacOS, and then, um, things that support the audio, audio in the home, TVOS,
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I guess would be in that.
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And the AirPods.
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Like TVOS actually had, we mentioned it earlier.
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FaceTime on TVOS with continuity camera is great.
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I do weekly.
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Or I guess it's every other week, zoom calls with Lauren's family and we're sitting in
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front of a big TV and we ended up putting it on like an iPad or a laptop and it's stupid.
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So this is great.
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I think this is going to be great.
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And the fact, again, they went out of their way to say, this will also work with zoom
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and anything else.
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And they're going to be on TVOS for the first time.
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And so I was, I was very happy with that.
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And also TVOS, you'll, you'll like this as the TVOS reviewer, that new control center
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for TVOS that doesn't, isn't stupid.
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It's actually good.
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These were some good updates to TVOS.
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There was more right then.
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I obviously was in my draft.
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I thought they wouldn't even talk about it.
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And I was, I'm actually enthused by them doing it this way because this gives them the opportunity
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to talk about this operating system and these features all in one bucket.
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HomePod and AirPods and TV.
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Like it makes sense to put them all together.
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And I thought it was a nice presentation.
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And as we finished the lightning round, I want to say shout out to Adaptive Audio.
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That looks good.
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It's well, and think about it.
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It's like, again, they took the things they built for AirPods.
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So transparency mode, noise canceling.
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And it's like, those are nice, but this is now that they've been out in the wild for
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a while, this is their, what if we could intelligently blend them so you don't have to do that?
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You can if you want to, but like what if we made it so that when somebody starts talking
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to you, it does something to adapt.
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What if we made it so that you can hear important sounds that are around you, but not dumb noise
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that's around you and being able to try and make some guesses about all of that.
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That's because in the end, as great as transparency and noise canceling are, what's even greater
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is if you don't have to keep reaching up to your ear to toggle between them because the
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device knows.
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That's like for me, one of the times where I use noise cancellation, but I don't want
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to is when I'm on the tube, right?
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Because sometimes the trains are really loud, so I want to put noise cancellation on, but
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I want to be able to hear the announcements.
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So my hope is that this would provide that, right?
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That like if there was an announcement, it might be able to pick that up and give that
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information to me.
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So that I would like that a lot.
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It's worth noting AirPods Pro, second generation only, which makes me think we're wearing AirPods
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I use AirPods Max when I'm on planes.
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I'm now hoping there will be a new generation of AirPods Max that will support this.
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Because like for me, a good time is plane.
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When I was flying over here multiple times, the flight attendant was asking me questions
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and Adina had to hit me.
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He's asking me a question.
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Because I was just watching, I watched 13 episodes of the West Wing on the flight.
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I didn't mean to do that, but I just started and that was where I went.
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And so I was engrossed in the show and I wasn't, but like, because I couldn't hear that someone
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was talking to me.
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And this shows you how Apple has a philosophy as a company, because this is the same conversation
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we had about the Apple Vision Pro, which is letting you be as detached from reality as
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you need to be, but being smart about allowing you to remain attached in some way.
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This is that kind of idea that you're on the plane and somebody is trying to talk to you
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and it knows and it connects you unless you want to not be bothered.
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But like, I think that's great.
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I think that's how it should work.
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We will talk more about these operating systems over the coming months, especially as we install
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bators and get time to use them and find out what people are finding out from the little
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We have got three new Macs today.
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15-inch MacBook Air, new version of the Mac Studio, Apple Silicon Mac Pro.
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Apple Silicon Mac Pro is shipping next week.
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That is unbelievable to me.
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Like out of nowhere?
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And for all of our tea leaf reading about what Apple does and why they do it, and you
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know there are a lot of people out there who are like, "Apple will never... what will Apple
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Apple will never release an M2...
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I don't know why they talk like that.
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But they do.
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Apple will never release an M2 15-inch MacBook Air because the M2 13-inch MacBook Air has
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been out for almost a year.
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They'll never do that.
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Well, they did it.
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Apple will never release a Mac Studio with an M2 Ultra in it and a Mac Pro with an M2
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Ultra in it.
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Apple will do a lot of things that people think it'll never do.
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And the idea here is the Mac Pro is what it is.
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It's just got the Ultra chip in it.
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It's got lots of slots.
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The slots are not for graphics.
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They're for storage and networking.
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On audio and stuff like that.
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And audio and all those things.
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And they had a bunch set up.
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Specific uses.
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And they said, you know, for video editors, they like a lot of this.
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And for audio editors, they do this.
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And there's a lot of like super fast networking that's done in media fields.
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And that's what they're doing.
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And of course, from Apple's perspective, they can't at least yet re-engineer the way graphics
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cores work in Apple Silicon.
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So they're going to lean into the other things.
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Because that's what they've got.
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But it's here.
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It closes the transition.
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And now we can start speculating about, are they going to do more on the Mac Pro side
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going forward?
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But it's out.
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They shipped it.
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And they shipped the Ultra at the same time.
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Or are about to ship the Ultra.
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At the same time, or the studio with Max and Ultra.
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A little curious about why it took them so long to get those Max Studios out there.
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But happy to see them out there.
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Because as somebody who loves the Max Studio, I'm glad that the Max Studio is not a one-off.
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I think they maybe didn't want to rev the Max Studio until they had the Mac Pro.
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I think maybe you're right.
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Because it sent the wrong message.
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And now they can say, here's why you can choose, right?
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And I liked that they framed it that way, answering some of those questions about why.
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And the answer is, look, we have customers who just need this.
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And we have customers who need this space of the Mac Pro.
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And so we're going to give that to them.
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And nothing surprising about it.
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There's no big conspiracy theory.
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It's literally the enclosure that you know.
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Lots and lots of space inside it for lots and lots of cards.
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And there's no change to the RAM and graphics model because it's Apple Silicon.
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And that's where we are.
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And I mean, you can put up to 192 gigabytes of RAM in there.
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So I think you're going to be fine.
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I mean, it's just one of those debates about like, but what if I need more GPUs and all
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However, the star of the show, other than you know, is the 15-inch MacBook Air.
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Because here's the thing.
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It's not any different from the 13-inch MacBook Air.
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It is an M2 MacBook Air that's bigger.
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I got to hold one.
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It is, other than the fact that there's more space on the sides of the keyboard because
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it's a bigger computer and it's got a bigger screen.
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If you didn't know about this, if you didn't notice the space on the sides of the keyboard,
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you might not even understand whether you are not just looking at a 13-inch because
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they're designed the same.
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They look the same.
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It's just bigger.
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The battery is, it's got the bigger screen.
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Presumably it's got better battery too.
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The net result is the same quoted battery life.
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The only thing that's really different, other than the fact that the screen's bigger and
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it's a little bit heavier, is that the audio's a little bit bigger.
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There was room for like two more drivers, I guess, in the audio.
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But like basically, it's the 13-inch MacBook Air but bigger.
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13-inch MacBook Air, most popular laptop around essentially.
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You and me both.
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And some people want a bigger one.
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Like this is, this is, it is Apple.
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Look, Apple could have said, well, if you want a bigger laptop, pay more than $1,000
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to get a MacBook Pro.
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And some people will say yes.
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A lot of people will say no.
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I think the 15-inch Air is going to be a big hit, maybe bigger than the 13-inch.
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If not, you know, because they're a couple hundred dollars apart because they cut the
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price of the M2 Air by 100, which is great.
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You can see it's like, it's getting closer and closer.
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Like another year or two, it's 999.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's getting there.
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So that's the one that like all of us jaded Apple watchers are like, yeah, okay, MacBook
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Air, M2, Boring, whatever.
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That thing is going to be a hit.
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And people are going to love it.
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And it's going to be really, really good and successful because the 13-inch model is great.
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And now there's one for $100 more than the 13-inch model used to cost until today.
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You can get a 15-inch laptop and there hasn't been a 15-inch Mac laptop in that price range
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for a while.
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If I used my laptop more like a laptop, like it's plugged into my studio display most of
01:07:52
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Like I think I would prefer the 15 over the 13 because you get more screen space.
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Like more space.
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Right now I don't have enough screen space to do what I'm doing, but most of the time
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this is not a problem to me because I'm plugged into a display and I like having the small
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form factor for traveling.
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And I know a lot of our listeners are MacBook Pro people and they're like, "Well, you just
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get a MacBook Pro."
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The MacBook Pro-
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You don't need a MacBook Pro anymore.
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The 16-inch MacBook Pro is so expensive.
01:08:17
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It's also so much bigger.
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It's heavier, it's thicker.
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And it's bigger and it's heavier and all those things.
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And some people might choose that just for the screen size.
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But what the 15-inch Air suggests is, which I think is true, there are a lot of people
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who are just not going to spend $2,500 on a laptop to get a bigger screen.
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And Apple wasn't serving that audience.
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There are a lot of people that use their laptop for everything.
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They watch all their media on their laptop.
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Like I'm thinking like students and stuff, right?
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Or if you flat share and you just have a bedroom, right?
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You don't necessarily want to put a TV in there.
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Like wouldn't it be better to just have a bigger screen?
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This thing's going to do good.
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I picked it up and was genuinely surprised about how light it was.
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It's really good.
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I wanted to check like what the weight difference was between the 13 and 15.
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So it's 2.7 pounds for the 13, 3.3 pounds for...
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I mean it's half a pound heavier, but it's also a 15.3 inch display.
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It's a really nice size display.
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Look good too.
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I went through the whole demo, they were showing me something.
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It's like it's an M2 MacBook Air with the biggest screen.
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That's literally all it is.
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And I know we can all be like, "Oh, again, it's so boring."
01:09:36
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It's like, "Yeah, it is boring.
01:09:37
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It's also going to be an enormous hit."
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And in this calendar year, the most important product that Apple announced today.
01:09:47
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Oh, you know what I wanted to talk about real quick before we wrap up?
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Is the availability thing of the Reality Pro?
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Nope, Vision Pro.
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You got to stop saying it.
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I will get there eventually.
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The Apple Vision Pro, it's facing a potential conundrum for me of available in, say, January,
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February next year.
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And unknown time.
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Well, I mean, I got to get one.
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So it's like, do I have someone buy one and ship one to me?
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Do I come to America?
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Big Vision buddy.
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Oh, coming to America.
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I could do that.
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I could take a flight to somewhere on the East Coast.
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But it's going to be an interesting thing.
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I'm not sure what I'm going to do there, but I have a lot of time to think about that.
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But anyway, that was a diversion.
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Back to the Macs.
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I am interested in this Mac Studio because for me, so I think for me in the future, a
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Mac Studio is a good idea for me because right now I'm using a 14-inch MacBook Pro that is
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permanently in clamshell mode as my recording and production machine at the studio just
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because I have it.
01:10:51
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So like when I got the MacBook Air completely won me over with the review unit and I was
01:10:54
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like, this is the laptop I want, but I still need something to produce my shows.
01:10:58
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And that's really powerful and it's doing a great job for me.
01:11:01
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And I always thought maybe the Mac Studio makes sense for the actual physical setup
01:11:06
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that I have, but I was nervous that it was a one and done, but it's not.
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So now I don't know when or if I would, I'm probably a couple of years away now from still
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wanting to upgrade that machine.
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Sell that MacBook Pro.
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But my point now is I now feel confident in Mac Studio as a thing.
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I can like get on board with that idea.
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Mac Studio is more of a representation of Apple's vision of what computing is in Apple
01:11:39
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Silicon for pro users than the Mac Pro is.
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The Mac Pro is like there because it needs to be there and it's nice to have it and all
01:11:50
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But the fact is that given the priorities that Apple has done for Apple Silicon in terms
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of things like closely integrating the GPU and the memory and all those things, the Mac
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Studio is the ultimate kind of iteration of that philosophy.
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The Mac Pro is more like a little sideline where it's tweaked a little bit and it's a
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little more modular because some people want that.
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But like the purity of the vision, I think, is that Mac Studio.
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This is going to take some time to process.
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I feel like we had two WWDC keynotes today.
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It felt like that a little bit, doesn't it?
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And so I'm very excited to be here and we can bathe in the information over the next
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few days and then we'll be recording together again on Monday as we'll ring in the beginning
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of the Summer of Fun and we'll talk more about this stuff.
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We'll have more information and we'll be able to dig into it further.
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Speaking of the Summer of Fun, don't forget that you can get your exclusive official Summer
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It's very fun, very cool, great colors.
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I had a vision of a Surf Shop shirt and JD came through.
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JD came through.
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You can check out Jason and Dan's work at sixcolors.com.
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I'm sure you're going to have a ton of stuff going on over the next few weeks.
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You can hear Jason's shows here on RelayFM and the incomparable.com.
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Check out Downstream and the new Downstream Plus.
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That's a really cool thing you're doing.
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You can listen to my shows here on RelayFM and check out my work at cortexbrand.com.
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We are @upgraderelay on both.
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posted an official TikTok face reveal for me, which is apparently a thing.
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We, thanks to the people at Apple, have video of this.
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Yes, we'll try to post it somewhere.
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So this show, I mean you've already heard it now, but there'll be a video version if
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you just want to see what it looked like and we'll put some clips up I'm sure somewhere.
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Hi everybody.
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Hi everyone.
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Thank you to our members who support us at Upgrade Plus.
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You can go to getupgradeplus.com to find out more.
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Thank you to Fitbud and Notion and Squarespace for their support of this show.
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First of all, thank you for listening.
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Until next time, say goodbye just now.
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Goodbye Mike Hurley.
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