00:00:00 ◼ ► but you're always sick here here's how I know that I'm going to be second Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► therefore we are sick of France's persons name you both know this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► rate Andreas nothin was one of the many people who read it has that apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/12">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► IMAX no longer have IR sensors since around 2012 so people suggesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/16">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► perhaps my shiny new 5 k iMac was getting woken from sleep by our panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► that's not happening because there's no sensor that's kinda go to in other words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► this ancient history is that IMAX have not had a IR sensors since four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/30">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► after your Mac Pro is made that you're still using everyday still working just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► fine I'm wondering at this point I'm wondering if I can make it ten years but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► I don't want to just make an external display for crying out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/44">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► you make it there they're not going to make the computer you want ever and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/48">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► well I just need an external five-game displaying the computer the contrived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► an economic the display with no computer the drunken driving in the neck and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► sure they can drive with no display so it won't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► the computer that drives it is gonna not have the right kenny gaming card for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► and configure its gonna be way too expensive not going to be the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/68">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► right kind but it'll be acceptable it will be way faster than everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/72">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► I have including the one that's built into the iMac goodness did I tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► guys that working out of a client's office for the last month or so and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► be for awhile you know as working for a client goes it's pretty good but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/84">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► still kind of weird doing the staff fog thing which is not what I'm used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► doing but anyway we wait the what the staff blog what does that mean John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/95">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► have no idea really insulting language you're speaking now I never did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/100">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► Virginia think I'm gonna now it's not a Virginia thing it's a consulting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/105">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► staff augmentation so generally speaking the work I do I woulda got that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► pronounce it like a New Yorker I was like staff August Orbis I I thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/114">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► OG yeah but you hang out with different views and his staff disabled what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► doin stempel fair enough so they have all my clock is ticking like this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/124">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► a random guess here I'm guessing that nobody who has a New York accent thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► enough to notice like that would ever say staff like that just the phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► would never use that phrase that's it there's no overlap between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► population who would say that phrase and people who would have that accent people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► are there are consultants and to use the sky so anyway so I'm doing staff log and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/147">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and basically what that means is it rather than having a group of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► co-workers that is working to sought to build a project as a group often in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/158">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► concert with the client yeah we prefer to do it in concert with a client but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► it's it's a group of us this by comparison is basically I get kicked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► the butt over to a client's office and said come back in a few months when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/173">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► client doesn't wanna pay for your time anymore and so much by myself anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/177">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► reason I actually bring this up is I got issued that god awful del that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/181">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► tweeted a picture of the god-awful keyboard and i got to tell you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► trackpad is unusable I fiddle with the settings to kingdom come the trackpad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► unusable wanna know how anyone uses a Dell but anyway I look around me and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/193">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► know what I see all over this office cinema displays everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► drives me insane I want so badly even though I know there's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► displaced we had but I've always just thought they were so pretty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► beautiful and they have like a quasi docking station and I want one so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► and they're everywhere they get you have when you plug in all of your firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/212">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► delightful now I am jealous of it I love to have like that you have the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/222">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► hanging off their my mic setup at home hanging off their man can dream but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/227">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► so here I am using my Dell with all of these displays a MacBook Pro and MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► Airs all around me a real consulting if only you had two or three Mac laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/237">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► that you could bring one to your clients that's what I do I bring my work laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► so I can't get work email and talk on work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► etcetera etcetera but it's depressing well it would be more depressing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/252">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► really were tied to the idea of listening to your headphones on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/258">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► iPhone while you are working and charging at same time which might not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► possible next year you're jumping ahead jumping ahead I we have more follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/266">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► though I idea I derailed us then you tried to move the train forward let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► let's get back on the tracks not too much power of saudi riyal sign there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► this is from Sebastian routes cruise by the German names today trying to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/279">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► about a little bit of the history behind and DNS responder and discovered he and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► all that stuff this story is told in a video that is in German so we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► this translated for us so we'll put a link to the video in the shower nuts if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► you understand German you can watch it but anyway we're taking this person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► word translation apparently the story is about events surf the father of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► internet can read his Wikipedia page if you wanna talk about him and dark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/306">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► tcp/ip and all that good stuff anyway he was at an IETF meeting internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/310">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► Engineering Task Force MTG and it was set up in his printer isn't working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► anymore so he called that Tim Cook which thing you can do when your answer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► your pissed off about your printer not working and Tim Cook then talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► Stewart Cheshire who is the guy who invented Bonjour formerly known as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► rendezvous and a bunch of other Apple networking stuff and told him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► investigate and eventually they're the ones who supposedly came up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► idea of let's just take out discovered the input Mtns responder and see if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► fixes the problem so this is the possibly apocryphal story of what one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► possible contributing factor to why did Apple iPad Apple know what would it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/344">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► for Apple to take action and actually fix this problem once and for all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/350">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► time I was found seriously depressing there's even any a bit of truth it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► like well I wouldn't care until then surf called Tim Cook and that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► message actually got to top that there was a problem I really don't like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► believe that these things are true but it does make for a funny story yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/365">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► mean honestly it's plausible based on based on Apple's apparent reaction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► the you know all the sudden there's a problem in Apple knows about it suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► but we've all known about it for years it kind of does seem like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► system is supposed to inform the high ups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► about these problems that a lot of people face is falling over somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► likes that system the the higher ups are measuring something and they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► data from something but it doesn't seem like most of the actual problems an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/395">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► actual criticism is reaching them and that's a little bit scary big companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► are all like that to some degree it's just that you know is the fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► scenario that that you have as a child that follows many people to adulthood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► that it like somewhere in the world there are the grown-up people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► what they're doing and like when you become an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► most evil than you realize that that's not the case now I'm an adult I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► no one knows what they're doing right but we hold onto a little bit of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► especially for the for the things that we admired like okay my company doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► know what he's done the higher ups in my company have no clue and my company this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► functional but surely the richest company in the world the most successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► got that way because they're better than my crappy company so even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/440">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► understand that yes no no they doing this know people somewhere who are alike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► in charge and actually understand things surely Apple is at least a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► different but the big companies like any other big company and its really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► difficult to organize a big company in a way that doesnt incentivize people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/455">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► management layers below the top to hide bad news from the people about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/462">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► because they get raided and judged by how well they're doing and you like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/466">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► it's it's in everyone's best interest to some degree to not only do not convey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► that lossless Lee up the management chain right and so that's why i like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/478">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► described this as a text from the top down where you would hope that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/484">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► lots of other people talking to lots of other customers and stuff about problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► and doing all you know the leaf nodes at the org chart to north of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/491">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► involving customers gathering information so on and so forth but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► information has to go up up up the chain and the more level that have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► through the more likely it is to be toned down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► on or three prioritized or whatever until about time against the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► something that is a real problem for most of the end users to delete notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► know about but I'ma get the top doesn't seem like that big of a deal so it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► to come you know and and the other is human nature of the people the top maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► but surf was not annoyed by discovered he say he was denied by some other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► that just happened to annoy him that might have gotten fixed and that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/526">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► would have been in service problems so he would have bypassed the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► organization to get the thing that isn't a problem for most of the people fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► and he would be happy and so in some respects the organization is working to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/535">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► try to prioritize things to tell Tim Cook what's really important in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/539">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► case it just so happened that the top down you know celebrity based fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/543">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► also happened to him on the thing that was a problem for a lot of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► companies are messed up to talk about you don't like Mei Casey mark on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/553">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► little bit strange becomes NKC having worked in consulted for becoming very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► least have you seen some of this going on where the the lower you get the org [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► chart the more people really know what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► oh god yes and not at the company on consulting with now but I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► talked about Michelle two years ago but there is a large firm in Richmond that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► that i did some consulting for and it was abundantly obvious to me that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/579">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► of the organizations middle management and most of the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► motor brilliant these middle managers really knew deep down that they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/590">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► redundant and so every meeting you are in everyone wanted to be included in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► everyone wanted to say something really really interesting so everyone around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► them new Oh Susie isn't expendable because he just said something smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/604">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► Bob sorry babe he's expendable because he really say anything this meeting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/610">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► was just ridiculous because it was a billion middle managers and like seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/616">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► actual grants to actually get work done here absolutely right point of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► about John Mayer the musician famously emailing bugs in logic directly to Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/626">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► get an email the logic team get an email as fix this and that's another a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/634">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► like the worst way to do this by the way like to have a famous person go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► very top of your organization and have the personality organization highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► motivated to satisfy the famous person because sometimes the famous personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► final the jet bug that everyone's experience but a lot of time the famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► person would just be annoyed by some minor issue and why do they get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► special treatment like they maybe you know reshaping the application in a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/658">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► way for most people just to satisfy John Mayer's this is not scale says I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/663">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► saying like the way it works now with leaf nodes not message not getting up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/667">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► really you don't need one of those things you want and efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/672">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► organization that correctly communicates what's really happening to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► customers and how they really feel about your product up the management change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► without diluting it in a way to protect the reputation of your group or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► it is that you're doing is a manager to try to say well this wasn't our fault in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/687">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► this isn't that big of a problem and everything we made in this press release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► is going really well as so give me good rating and a big bonus this year our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/693">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► first budget this week is cards against humanity and rather than a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/698">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► sponsor read they asked John to review one last toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/703">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► countertop I hope you're gonna study found that toaster in my garage I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/712">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► realize I had that the monstrosity but the big griddle on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► stuff since I didn't realize I had that toaster at some point during the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/726">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► you might ask the question of where that is like the average cost for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► weekend about you know I don't have a toaster and then they would rush went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/734">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► out to me I would get a toaster and so basically somewhere their account got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/737">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► off so a toaster arrived for this week but I already had toaster so now I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► two tests this week and the sentencing on them because this is the last week so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► this is going to be double toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► this is exciting lucky lucky you the first toaster is the Americana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/750">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► collection 3 in 1 mini breakfasts shop shop with two peas in a hyphen 200 BL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/756">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► and if you look at it looks a lot like the crazy one from the last time the red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/765">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► toaster oven it's got a little tiny coffee pot drip coffee pot thing and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/772">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► top of the toaster it's got a little thing that gets hot but you can cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/777">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► the last one when I said that the coffee thing even though the picture you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► picturing it like it's a regular drip coffee thing really it's like tiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► also as this one my daughter actually said in the kitchen she walked up as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► looks like it's for a doll is microscopic it is incredibly incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/794">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► small obviously the coffee thing is tiny but look at the toaster part of me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► you can look at the measurements and try to get an idea for a bit here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► best way I can describe it to our audience the trade at slides inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► toaster is smaller than a magic trackpad too can you even fit one piece of bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/808">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► on their infant one piece of bread in there it's not too big so you can 22 wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► yeah so this is very similar to the old one such a market for these three and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/819">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► one thanks so similar likes of the coffee thing looks like it might even be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► using some of the same parts that when still does its job you can put water in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/827">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► their heated up pretty quickly dip trip through the filter into the thing is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► you like drip coffee this is this is a drip coffee thing it doesn't take too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► long to boil the water got the same type of thing with top down the sides what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► heating elements will be on in the bottom line is just a plain time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► bother but little pictures of light medium and dark toasted is like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► time I just heard it good luck to give you any guidance there and it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/848">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► give you any guidance because trying to toast the piece of toast in there at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/854">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► around five minutes and 50 seconds I gave up not being able to see any real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► color on the top of the toast and I took it out in the bottom was overdone a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► practically black in the middle and a top 10 no Colorado that's almost six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/866">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► minutes so as a toaster it fails to talk even though you into one piece of bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► in there it fails the test that there is no just over at by the way so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► maybe why the burning on the bottom and click on top maybe doesn't adjust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► top thing instead of having a full-size griddle and has a circular 10 same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► problem as before just doesn't it isn't hot enough for doesn't like I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/888">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► promise this time the thermal mass like it's just a thin piece of metal so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► when you put the egg on it just sucks all the heat out of the thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► heating element don't have enough to keep up like I think basically the grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/898">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► access heatsink for the heating elements dissipating their heat but not into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► egg so I was able to go in for one egg on their size of a poached egg thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/906">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► right so I was able to go on Friday gonna have to say did a better job than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► the previous one and that one egg I was able to cook it and it came out like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► actual I get cooked enough to to stay together and let me flip it over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► everything so but really nobody should ever buy this or the other thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/924">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► not good anything that it does things it is adorable dog has been sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/930">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► this one even more than the red one looks at our looks like the looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► you have an easy bake oven on you can talk the talk but it really works sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/939">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► of yet to varying degrees of work I wish you could try the coffee is just got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/944">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► filter in there comes with the filter makes the water hot it runs it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► the filter something a little thing like that I don't see how the machine itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► could affect the quality of the coffee coming out of it is it really is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/957">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► most primitive thing you can imagine all just plastic parts inside there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► nothing fancy it is not only the price but is this is like $35 yeah you got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/964">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► when you're paying for their so I think the main market for this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► Hollywood prop buyers who want to put something in the background of a scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► seen in like a cute kitchen apartment in like Manhattan or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► would I i really do want to obviously there's a market for these because so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► many are for sale but I just have to wonder who is buying suckers people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/987">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► think it's a great way to save counter space I have three things on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/992">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► problems like who wants to cut off your toaster oven or toaster ovens usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/998">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► underneath like their overhead cabinets above the menu making hot steaming onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► the bottom you can it's just not a good idea even if it were to win big idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► just us like seriously to can tomatoes one slice of bread in six minutes forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► the best thing is this has a four-star average review on Amazon with two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► hundred and forty reviews how has to be paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► maybe they just don't know how these things are supposed to operate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► everything smaller than expected but works as promised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► verified purchase the toaster oven was probably the biggest negative is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► one left to fit one slice of break through and it doesn't cost that after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► fortunately there is a top burner and a bottom burners you can stack two pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► of bread on top of each other and flip them in the middle of cooking now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► can please just like hold your breath over a match its cool I can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► take this with me when I'm on the road to set up in the hotels I stay in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► things that the drip coffeemaker the hotel's is better than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► ya like it and those are terrible and that we're better than this likes dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► and doesn't fall apart as they have to be in hotel room in hotel bar coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► Wow alright anyway the second one must try to you know bring this back from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► insanity of these multifunctional my second one is still a jet toaster oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► this is the KitchenAid twelve-inch convection bake digital countertop oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► model Casey 0 273 the Euro this one in the chat room for everybody who this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► a high-priced when this is $187 yeah this is a fancy toaster oven were back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► to normal again things first thing you have to know about this is it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► big I don't they look the same size on Amazon I have a pretty big toaster the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► Breville success TXL this is really big its like the bigger rival did so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► that I think it really is beyond what is reasonable for most people's kitchens if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► you have a really really big house this will be to scale down like when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► like a big impact so it's a lot of interior design you have to scale the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► unfortunately I like the scale of entry to the people but no matter how big you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► are you have a really small room and you put a gigantic let puppy love yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► and it will over overwhelm the room simulator you have a cavernous room you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► up at this delicate little to soften it it won't look quite so this is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► toaster oven so do not buy this unless you have a really big kitchen or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► really want to dedicate that much space to install too wide it's the pits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► humongous I when when I put this on my counter since I have like an arrow like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► New England ancient countertops opening the door practically that's it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► no space left like this toaster I can open the door and I don't remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► door overhanging the edge of my counter but its close this thing is huge its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► stainless steel like a picture that is actual standstill not plastic colored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► stainless steel very sturdy construction I think even handle stainless steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► which case they handled it like plastic foam insulation it feels Rogan it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► appeals to you know it looks nice glossy everything feels thick the the wire rack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► feels incredibly rugged thick gauge wire it's actually a little metal strip on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► the front of it everything is very solid the door feel solid opens and closes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► little not little rubber stoppers big rubber stoppers on it the the spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► tension just right doesn't doesn't wobble Creek three positions for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► rack and they have little destruction nothing about where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► for this five heating elements for this thing resistance 2012 plus one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► thicker court style ones on top in the middle of the huge that court like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► of those like for power to like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► Makita drill or something like a big three prong cord with a very thick cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► and the big character and I know what you guys do those who don't they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► have to go into kitchen like we're living people plug in the toaster oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► it's like you're gonna put in and then you're gonna plug it in and the plug is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► going to be just above your counter right the plug sticks out like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► inches from the place where you plug in because it's right it's not they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► make flush mount plugs you know you know there's little doubt it you have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► it like even if the plugged in right behind the toaster because it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► toaster be six inches away from the body was not arrested who wants to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► big thick like hard to manage the power requirements but they climb out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► people and they don't see the controls on this one if you look at it are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► similar to my bro I don't know who copied who obviously a memorable for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► I'm thinking how they copied the devil knows there is an LCD on top a backlit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► LCD on top showing you temperatures timers countdowns the same type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► control for you get the pic a temperature and let you know a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► slices or whatever there's two knobs the first one is the function now from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► diff things you can do like toast bacon has things to reheat in bagel that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► like you know different temperatures during different phases like resembled a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► bagel do a lower temperature toasted and towards the end to the top elements only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► really high to toast the bagel assume it's assuming you have a bagel thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► sliced in half and stuff like that it's a different more functions in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► Breville for all sorts of things is also a conviction of my hope is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► reasons suffered a huge gotta fill the convection fans in there so there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► function settings for conviction typing to try to take a whole chicken and keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► the air flowing and Chris the skin at the end of everything and then the knob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► load is the control knob which really is just kinda like the the control knob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► your BMW's or whatever where it where you just press the Select and turn to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► up and down selections in the menu the knobs themselves they are not as widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► as they're on the Breville the stock plastic for the night as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► much slop they're not made to look like thick metal which helps they're nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► materials then the better ones that are like shiny plastic textured they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► still a little bit gritty i'm not the best feeling knobs but they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► better than the prevalence of their pretty good since the function on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► bottom really should just be a disk because it's like turn left turn right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► to go through a series of options and press in its weird that it has like a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► flathead screwdriver type like indentation they want you to pension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► because there's just been around forever like there's no there's no markings or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► anything it's really just a jog dial basically and it's weird for a jog dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► to have a partner even greater because then it's like when you're done with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► when do you leave a deal even pointing up to you like anytime you turn it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► change in number on the screen so that's a little weird but I think just over 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► and that's gonna start button on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1378">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► got a little button for frozen things one of the other but remember off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► top of my head on the Connection button to turn it back to the knob feels good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► so so higher quality than my brother and I don't feel like they're shaking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► to come off and they're not fake looking like metal but it really plastic but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► think the decision to make the jog dial look positional when it's not really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► a little bit off the press it is about it's weird to press the button that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► you know that's like a dial you can pinch Coast time four minutes 30 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► for peace toast not great the rebels little bit faster but the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► cavernous like you would like it doesn't take eight minutes and it did it pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► decent job of toasting the convection features I didn't have an opportunity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► test because I don't have anything that you cooking connection as I could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► setting and stuff so I think you could use as a manager he didn't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► entire chicken to put in there is depicted in this is not as long as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► super tall and was so there isn't that much you know I was not as a place like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► that member the one that the pro built in that you could get a bigger chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► so to categorize this I would say this is most similar to the big Breville [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► which I've never tested by the way and so I assume it's ok because I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► small gravel and people have the big people say it's good but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► similar in terms of it feels sturdy looks nice it does the job that supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► to do it has enough heating element the heat up that big interior and I guess if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► you only use it as another number climbed to I think the best things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► recommend this the most are the things that I like most about my trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► I like seeing immediately when I press the start button how long it gonna take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► you know as soon as you put the pieces of toast they say how many pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► toast and what level of darkness which is a number that you can pick 3456789 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► whatever darkness you like and when you press the start button and it will tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► you they will start counting down from four minutes and 20 seconds or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► and then you put in the second round bread of someone else wants to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► counting down from three minutes and 30 seconds because the thing is heated up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► you know how long it's gonna take you get to see a countdown it's easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► adjust because they get it they get around the whole problem of trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► the darkness just because it's a number on the screen really you just using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► control to adjust the screen the screen really helps because then you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► countdown show where the numbers up there it's not like a full bitmap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► display it's you know a bunch of seven segment things among other things but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► makes a big difference but not surprisingly useful kind of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► little bit more about that some of us have we're toast bread but actually it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► pretty straight out of the freezer so on the same toasting you always want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► a little snowflake button and it was just a little bit more to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► difference it before it goes into the tow cycles so overall if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► really big toaster and consider haven't tested the really big Breville this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► the best really big coaster I've ever tried it is a solid quality product does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► all the jobs that supposed to do if you as they say if you have the space I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► wow so if you have the means you highly suggest picking one up yet yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► it's it's it is a reference since since the last 19 I was making reference to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1552">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► lot of people have asked about the three homes toaster abuse their number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► pick was gonna tell you is that I did you a while back I was the Panasonic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► really tall Panasonic 12 really really fast and people asking what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► of their reviews they do actual product reviews not joke ad products are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► go read their reviews they actually test them they put a million pieces of bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► and all these things my criteria may be different than theirs but I'm not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► the kind testing that doing so please read a review of you really care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► customers that said having used the one they picked as a top pick the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► don't like it I think the UI's weird and I think it's oddly shaped but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► tell us things really fast and really efficiently and does a good job on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► but for my purposes I want to be able to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► four slices of bread in there are a whole tray full of English muffin pizzas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► or something and that it won't fit in the toaster is this not big enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► so it doesn't tell me that you eyes it's crazy with the membrane button and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► the different functions that the Breville interface interface that is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► better but that matters less than them in their rating mostly saying what when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► the bread comes out looking has it tastes and that goes there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► Panasonic coaster toast bread really fast does a good job on it so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► disagree or agree with their ratings I just know what I wanted to my toasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► that's that's what this whole year we've had history views from the Guardian's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► humanity at this is the last one great adjust their idea fantastic idea we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► had a great time and thanks a lot but please no more postings I never did test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► the top pick the top expensive pic like sweet home has like here's our top pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► and they will try to take budget into consideration and they always have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► if you have a little bit more money this one's even better if not better enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► that we think it's worth it but it's a little bit better and I have not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► about to get whatever that toasters I'm actually curious about it maybe if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► thing ever dies by the way I didn't say what a couple of months ago this point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► did finally opened up my brother and adjustable springs and a nice clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► rather which was a real pain man like I could I literally cannot figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► to get this post or part without breaking it looked like he got to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► spring without actually fully disassembling it but I think any one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► those eye-opener things from iFixit like heats up some glue or something together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► but it is there a lot of screws in it is very solidly constructed so I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► lucky I can get through it to the point where I can get to the spring I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► tension goodness how many mysteries reviews you sure you don't want anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► toasters no I just about I think I have like three or four left the ship out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► here and then place they're just too big to send you small object to review are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► slightly included I see what you did there what are the five things in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► forces rather we should probably talk about what went on this week can we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► about the headphone jack business really quickly blew it let's talk about this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► so there are rumors based on a interesting translation from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► japanese Finance Commission notes that the source of this is pretty unreliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► I I think based on the rumor and based on some things that you know that here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► in there and then told here and there it it sure seems like this rumor has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► more credibility than any other random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► you find with poor sources on the internet so the rumor itself has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► credibility really but it is I think we're talking about would Apple do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► the rumor may not like this specific to the room like we think the iPhone seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► which will be the next major iPhone Apple makes is going to have a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► now you know whatever maybe it seems like that the sourcing flat is not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► but we do know for a fact that you can plug compatible headphones into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► lighting for under existing iPhones and they will work as headphones like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► Apple has already added had phone support to the lighting port for iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► and then you can buy you know by these things but you can put a link in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► chain of headphones right now today that have at the end of them instead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► 3.5 millimeter headphone jack have a lightning port and plug them into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► existing iPhone it'll work fine and you have to think why would Apple do that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► it's some point it was at least considering we're going to keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► headphones jack maybe we can have it all the time you know things again dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► maybe we should start thinking about where we're going to do it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► they're gonna make a phone without one ever even but they did do something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► opens the door for this that's why people take these rumors vaguely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► seriously think before i'd like the last time for the iPhone 6 same rumors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► out there because people were hearing about headphones support for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► lightning port and lo and behold that actually exist as a thing and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► right now so that's why I think this is worth entertaining because Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► not both employment and ship something like that it hadn't considered very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► seriously the idea of teaching at some point in the future I mean so the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► headphone port first of all the rumors that they would get home port in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► to make the iPhone a millimeter thinner and and this was this was covered pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► well this week's episode of the talk-show John Gruber in jon boats so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► don't I don't want to go too far as they literally gave an hour to it is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► good so but the short version is that you don't need to ditch the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► jack to get that extra millimeter today because the current generation of iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► Touches still has the headphone jack and is at least that much thinner so it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► don't need to do that now and you could and you could make other gains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► we're getting the point now where making the phone noticeably thinner will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► require dropping things that people tend to like in their phones like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► headphone port and like good cameras so let's see what they do in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► maybe they can make different events will see but right now than this alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► is probably not a good enough reason to yet I don't listen to that episode but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► they talk about the slim down 3.5 jack they didn't I wasn't DiNapoli change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► way it was built and make a special one of the Apple patent which again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► amplicons everything at once I don't think it's basically like a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► headphone jack but with the one side filed down to be flat I just put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► link in the shona and and there is by the way there is also so the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► headphone jack the most people think of as a 3.5 millimeter jack there's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► 2.59 later version that has existed forever also just like all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► ones so there is a smaller version of the standard headphone jack that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► occasionally used on things about a lot of headphones at the headphones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► using the detail has a detachable cable there's a pretty decent chance at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► end of the cable plugs into the ear cup might have that size plug on it a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► them do so those plugs exist they could switch that Indianapolis two millimeter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► which is a pretty big deal at this scale than now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► grad again they don't need to be it although for the for the 2.51 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► one of the reasons that they would stay away from that is I know from having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► kids that it's possible to been 3.5 millimeter one doesn't kid around 2.5 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► YouTube and even easier maybe maybe don't under this but it's getting kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► getting to the point where you don't want that one to be on the babies I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► think I think the 21 five-millimeter is easier to bend the light me and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► know if any maybe this is just me but anyone who has kids who use their iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► devices like that they get to use all the time that are there is go to all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► them and take the kids headphones plug them into the jack and then rotate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► to see if they actually are still straight on access it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► everyone in my kids touch not massively bent bent enough that you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► seriously yeah just wait so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► assume Apple does this what is that so assume they get rid of the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► jack and the only way you can plug headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► you can use headphones with an iPhone is either over Bluetooth or through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► lightning so what does that mean in practice and I've heard I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► have real job but I've heard a lot of people who have real jobs listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► music on their phones for a big chunk of the work day through headphones at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► for whatever reason they either can't or don't want to use music services on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► work computer itself to the plug into the phone and use like a streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► service or the music library on their phone to listen to music at work most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► the time I would expect the phone to be plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► during this process if you do this if you have it so that that jack has gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► away chances are Apple would probably ship a little dongle for between twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► and forty dollars that would basically be a you a lightning to 3.5 millimeter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► headphone adapter and we see how they do these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► chances are it would not have a let me pass through to also charge the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► chances of Serbia one plug thing one player on each end and that would be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► similarly lightning headphones have the same problem relating headphones don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► have a lightning fast report to also simultaneously charge the phone while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► you're listening to the headphones so chances are if they did this you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► no longer listen to the phone while is being charged unless you have any wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► completely and go to Bluetooth well I mean a million third party apps for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► and by the way I see people listening to their phones that work and none of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► have it plugged in so they just like it because it but the screen is often as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► playing audio even if maybe it's like Spotify and screaming stop its not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► bad or maybe people just don't care if Apple didn't build it somebody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► because it would be eminently buildup also I don't I don't think that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► a significant deterrent to doing this and I don't think it would preclude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► people from charging the phone while I was just making sure that they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► consider that the official Apple I always get the name of this wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► the Lightning AV connector whatever it is that we talked about last episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► yeah like my favorite thing the world this thing does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► have a lightning pass through I actually think you're right Marco that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► unlikely that that's the approach Apple would take for this because I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► far more likely that they would just they would assume that listening would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► not be all day long and that you wouldn't need to charges he listened but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► there is a precedent for them doing something with a lightning passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► through the whole reason there's lightning passed through on this cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► is so that you can charge your phone while you're displaying whatever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► whatever you have on the phone on a TV or whatever so that is one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► would be inconvenient or problematic for people if they did this all the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► thing of course is that you can use your headphones even if they ship in adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► even if you don't need to charge to having to have an adapter is annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► that is the main inconveniences but what about all my headphones and I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► to use an adapter and it's just not a nice or whatever and so that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► last time we have discussions with them in the rumors of lightning port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► headphone support for out there saying things like well I don't wanna not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► all my headphones and you know that that's what everybody says anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► report it you know I don't want to lose all my charging cables I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► not be able to use all my talks on a change from thirty headphone port as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► many people went down on Twitter and elsewhere is way older than 30 pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► connector and is not a terrible connector like it's fairly solid part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► you can't put it in the wrong way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► pretty sturdy it's been around by some estimates of being like ninety eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► ninety years depending on how you measure may be over a hundred forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► has minor problem of sorting itself out when you plug it in but you know other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► than that it's ok yeah I thought the best in the world but like with with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► these things like the thing that came to mind to me is VGA ports VGA ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► branded arm around since 1910 fine but there around for a long time and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► had limitations there were obvious especially as we went from analog to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► digital video with DVI connections and HDMI and DisplayPort and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► but we do I was like this video is a standard you want to come from Jake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► actors and what eventually did VGA connectors in was not all the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► just listed which should have been obvious like are you can keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► video you gonna constantly convert analog this terrible and the resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► like we have a digital standards by which those what did we GNE did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► eventually everybody's laptops are too damn small to finish on the side that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► what did this is just a mean you know you can still find a new delhi know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► like they are like exactly the thickness of the VGA port I think even so with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► tops and bottoms of the VGA port where basically there was no plastic above and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► below them they were just you know what I mean like it was there was no like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► thing to shove the VGA port into it was just like they were not cut out the VGA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► port was there so when you plugged in something the plug thing anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► what eventually did in VGA port certainly on the Mac and a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► slim laptops that are out there cuz if you want to release on that top the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► video big so that future is lurking out there probably in you know and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► for smartphones because eventually will be able to get smart phones than enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► that the port will be thicker than the thing now we were there with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► high-quality cameras as market lineup before that the phone is already thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► than the camera and we just make the camera broke out so who's to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► couldn't have a credit card in iPhone fifteen years from now and hanging off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► the edge of it the 3.5 inch thing you know I mean like it would be this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► lump this big silly lump thing but it detract too much from the thinnest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► the phone would still be in a situation where then if you drop your phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► flutter harmlessly to the ground then you would pick up the fact that it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► headphone port poking out of it wouldn't bother anybody I'm not sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► headphone port is raised the level where we're willing to say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► even when our phone is the thickness of a credit card I'll be perfectly fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► with there being a 3.5 inch headphone jack on there of course at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► lightning will also be too thick and thinking about this I think we can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► agree I don't want to make this timescale argument that this man who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► know you guys keep using the phrase business maybe an actual application of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► it because it's like look at part is going to go away eventually just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► yeah the question is is this the year that it goes away in terms of timing say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► you were like the Grand Poobah like when ports go across the industry which Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► move everyone yells at them and says it's too big for doing it then does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► same thing five years later or two years later a one year later he also floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► drives and getting rid of legacy portfolio pieces have been much slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► about that is there to do it would you do it this year with 17 I mean when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► decide that this is the year to do it or would you wait until you have to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► for some reason cuz I agree with Marco that you didn't have to do it for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► reason but would you do it anyway to sort of say we want to get the paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► over with now or would you wait until everything is USB see if I give up of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► lightning in six years I don't know you can look at this and you like to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► there's so many downsides to do in this first of all I I think this would this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► would cause a substantial loss of goodwill that this would be a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► you know look at how many people complain for so long and get so mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► about the switch to lightning at all to have them all so basically make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► everyone's headphones obsolete or make them worse perhaps requiring some dongle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► to be plugged in this would be a really really big problem for their goodwill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► and customer satisfaction and for the presses impression the phone and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► what everyday people while people end up thinking about is thinking about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► how many iPhone buyers you think use headphones are the ones that come with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► the iPhone I mean you can look at beats as a pretty big example of that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► pretty big number I mean I think that the market for aftermarket headphones is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► pretty healthy right now I very rarely see people using using the earbuds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► anymore I'm trying to think of what I see people using NI mostly see people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► using here but you're right that the big headphones the next the next thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► would say is if they're not you but what are they using I would say they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► something like beets were there will be there be to rip off so just large big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► big headphones like that but I don't know there are upsides to this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► people who sell bonds obviously right because even the people who sell year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► but suddenly get to increase their margins because previously they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► selling now hey you broke or lost your the things that they came with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► Apple earbuds you you like your budget like this small you don't want big beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► size things but you lost it broke them and you want to replace me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► on a paper apples by hours which are $3 cheaper than at both but our margins are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► used for good because these earbuds are pieces of crap and they have a lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► part on them so these are made for iPhone iPhone compatible earpods or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► whatever so right that this is a way for Apple to not only sell a very large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► number of high-volume dongles and accessories to add apple headphones but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► it's also a way now for Apple to through the MFI program to take a royalty on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► every headphones sold like that of course let me look you can look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► as you know the the various benefits of this might bring you can look at it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the various down for the my brain all-ages Bluetooth separately as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► different story but you know if you're still staying wired I hate to be cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► about this but I think a realistic way to think about this is would today's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► Apple really today's Apple not what not the Apple that we want to exist but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► actual Apple the does exist today would today's Apple make an already very thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► device even thinner at the expense of usefulness in the real world and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► way that would increase the average selling price of their best selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► product by designing it to basically require higher margin accessories at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► expense of customer satisfaction and goodwill yes of course they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► do this all the time now but it depends on how much customers satisfaction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► good well that's why when I if I keep thinking about this if I was in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► meeting on this at Apple the first thing I would say is you for even discuss had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► fun things we have to decide if we're ever gonna go USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► stick with lining of a regulation has lightning on a ten year plan or is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► not like or are we ever got because lightning and USBC are really similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► the to the point where like lighting was important for Apple to have because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► had it for years before USBC came out right but the USBC is here now so how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► many more years do we give lightning are we committed to lightning is really on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► ten year plan and we're not being considered alternative until ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► but you have to have that discussion first because it's not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► remainder of the head boat party it's Gary the head apart and the place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► you plug it in is this like me and you really don't want to do a thing where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► then we get rid of the headphone port and all the headphones had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► lightning and then a couple years after that we got rid of lightning I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► be USBC or some crap like that that is really bad and the long time line for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► customer satisfaction and you can only absorb certain number of these were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► getting rid of the floppy drive type of revolutions you can't you can't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► them that close together so I think you really have to plan something out and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► think you should plan it because like I said it's going to go away eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► eventually get so then you can have a great choice is about bulges and crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► like that and if anyone's going to get rid of it on their phones is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► gonna be out because that's their thing there was like you know they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► more willing to get rid of it even even today's Apple that sells millions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► millions of these iPhones they are the ones who are going to be more willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► get rid of this you just have to put it on the plan and i right now if if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► plan is not to keep liking for a long long time now is not the time to get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► of 3.5 in sport if they do get rid of the Nigerian make an announcement so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► yeah we're getting her headphones and by the way our current plan to keep lying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► around for at least five or six more years so don't even think about USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► it's not gonna happen your investment in lighting headphones will last you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► several years many years don't feel too bad about it but they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► say that so it'll be sort of an unknown 52 money on right now I would say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► would bet against not strongly against you know 51 49 percent advised but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► would bet against the iPhone seven dropping that one part because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► see a reason for it and I don't feel like now is the time exactly I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► think they will reconsider letting sooner rather than later so I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► can hold out until they reconsider lightning in a couple of years and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► they can get rid of the port is then they actually will probably needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► thickness was but I do think they should do it before they definitely before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► really need to the first time they do it on lobby because they just couldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► it any other way you know because they were just whatever they want to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► things up they want to take the hit when they were going to take a bit set things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► up and then and then by the time they really really need it it's already kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► like lightning like they have to go to lighting for the first phone that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► their wages 30 pin on it it would technically it would have been may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► awkward or whatever but it could have it but he didn't wait until the absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► they did lightning when it looks very small in the end of the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► telephones it slowly shrinking down around it and I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► they'll do with the headphones replacement yeah I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► and i also I i think you know this is absolutely the kind of thing Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► do all the downsides be damned they would definitely do it because it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► things dinner even though we don't need them to be but it makes things dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► and it makes them more money so they would absolutely do it but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► they're going to do this year I don't think they need to yet and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► it makes sense yeah I don't think it's gonna happen either but personally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► wouldn't be that bothered by it I almost never use bluetooth headphones with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► phone but I might be the only person on the planet that isn't particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► bothered by bluetooth headphones I use bluetooth headphones at work all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► every day and they're connected to my Mac iPhone they are very cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► headphones I think they were $25 in the air when I bought them literally four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► years ago from the battery lasts at least today if not a couple of days the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► latency yeah if I hit pause it doesn't pause instantly but there's no latency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► when I watch videos there's none of the quarter I don't feel any of the crimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► that so many people seem to feel they usually to that forms so if that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► if if bluetooth is our future Bluetooth only as our future some silly dongle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► don't think that such a terrible future I think the that Apple will get in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► generated in their customers that but I don't think it's a terrible future we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► been as Mac users which is different but as Mac users laptop users we've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► stupid display dongles forever very overdone overjoyed that this new MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► Pro that I have an HDMI port but generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► yeah we've had to use silly dongles all the time if yer one who uses most iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► battery packs most of the ones I've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► there's something in the way the headphone port so if your headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► is any bigger than the headphone port like those the ones that I've bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► always include a one or two inch little extension so you can clear the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► case and then plug in your headphones a little extension like none of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2934">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► again I just if bluetooth is our future I don't forget such a bad thing sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► mark oh well it's not it's kinda like the movies to watch it's like here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► something else that is more expensive than what it might have replaced based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► on a lot of software and flaky standards so it's a little bit unreliable there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► some lag involved in common actions and it's one more thing that needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► charged and put on trade cycle and I i think we are you know we have so many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► these things in the world and I i say this as a user of the phone and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► watch and Bluetooth headphones most of the time when I'm using my phone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► audio playback most of the time using bluetooth headphones to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► APX 210 bTW which are amazing headphones made anymore but the m400 axes baseless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► and think I love this adventure podcast but they're flaky they need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► charged it is kind of annoying so in many ways a step forward but like forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► touch it's it's a step forward but also kind of a step sideways in this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► worse in some ways more complicated you know if Apple released us a blue tooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► head set of headphones that charges via lightning similar to the Apple pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► the Lightning would that make it easier on all of us was gonna say regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► people but it would make it easier on me to you know what that make it easier on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► all of us if you could get a couple hours worth of listening off of a five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► the charging is is one downside of many you know it's the unreliability the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► extra battery powered the phone needs to send the signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► makes the phone battery life whereas I mean there's there's a lot of little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► downside to the end and the reason I use it it because it is really convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► and these headphones sound like complete garbage and most Bluetooth headphones I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► have heard sound either mediocre to bad and I don't think a lot of people say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► a bluetooth is a bad sending protocol it is but most of these sound problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► people have a bluetooth headphones or because the heavens themselves are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► mediocre like the drivers for the Dell design headphones mediocre they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► sound bad because usually you can plug a man with a cable and you can hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► sound just as bad over cable but you know it's not all bad and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► ultimately enough people are going to be using bluetooth headphones often enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► over time that when they do finally killed 3.5 inch jack which which I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► think it's anything but when they finally do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► a big portion of people won't be affected at all because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► already moving the Bluetooth but we're not there yet and it isn't all good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► teams involving two of the different versions of the standards are you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► eventually but I'm you know it in many more years it will still be Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► but partly due to the name only and will maybe use different signaling and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► know different frequencies and different you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► compression strategies or whatever like that it will and hopefully this tax that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► they will be more reliable that will will have evolved to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► threshold of flaking you know I think but it has been getting better so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► terms of power consumption Bluetooth I'm getting better so doesn't drain your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► battery is much we got the Bluetooth 4.0 whatever things this all these ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► take less major and you from your phone and I soon take a little bit less energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► for ear headphones or maybe they just passive receivers but anyway what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► always think about is due to their butts because I hate having court date quartz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► getting tangled up and stuff you know it would just be much more convenient if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► guess that my phone in my pocket and what I want is your butts because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► don't think the podcast I don't care about your bugs in my years and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► would probably lose them so that they can maybe they could be a magnetic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► stick to the bank on inductive charger not using them like that is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► wireless future but I think Apple ditch the headphone port before wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► are as good as we would all like them to be like I guess what is that threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► is it like wifi wifi wifi above the threshold of flakiness wifi is way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► reliable and Bluetooth it still conflicted with some people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► maybe just you know I don't know what the obviously this signal strength where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► you're in so we require your house and you have played in your walls and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► know tough luck but for places where you get good signal but you are losing life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► by that I'm here many stories about certainly doesn't happen on Mac so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► it does like the two big deal now become the new version of OS 10 screws up wifi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► like we demanded to be reliable like if I can get a signal and I have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► bars I'm a little display I want that connection to stay up and if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► something is terribly wrong out of class action lawsuit against it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► a Bluetooth you wouldn't even notice right through to the end and I said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► my in my crappy car when I get in I just have to wait to see first off I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► have the source said to Bluetooth like the sources said something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► Bluetooth doesn't even appear in the list of sources for a while so I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► listen to AM or FM or iPod or something else while I wait I can't turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► system off because that will not you know initiate the process of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► Bluetooth setup so I have to wait until Bluetooth appears the source and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► selected because that's that's just your car and a Bluetooth this already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► selected table it is I haven't changed a selection I get in the car start the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► engine it's a long time before I hear anything coming out of their way anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► I don't know what he's doing is it booting up is it trying to find my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► usually it finds it may be 99% of the time it finds it after five or six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► seconds sometimes it doesn't find it and I have to go to like you know to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► your devices and it's already chosen already being connected but going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► through that thing on the menu makes it can anyway like I said yeah bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► with his way to flaking now and it was messed up in some way I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► notice you say that but what do you use to ask you this most people however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► probably use a Bluetooth keyboard and/or Bluetooth pointing device for any sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► of Mac that lives on a desk for any amount of time yes I know there's a crud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► I know that most people probably use the on-board pointing devices and keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► but for those that have you know an iMac those are almost certainly going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► Bluetooth so they really hosed up a Bluetooth stack on the west and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► we'd know and I think we know it pretty quick but I've had this been the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► reliable wireless accessories in our house that I found to be more reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► than the stuff like say the magic trackpad which I have now and mine on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► Magic Trackpad but also had and I all due to habitat with my iPad which does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► not in any way is the Logitech thing with the crazy little USB plug in ORF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► dongle thing not blew through the Twitter lot of texts proprietary thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► is that silly proprietary thing the batteries last for ever and it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► works and there are no drivers to install and so I always think Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► why can't you be able to stabilize attack dongle but what is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► doing is it shorter range that just because it's not that whenever the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► there's doing you do that because it always works it never doesn't work it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► very frustrating I understand this probably take relation to get a protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► that can do stuff like audio and it's not just you know something about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► actions but lie detector that when they were doing the product on psycho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► bluetooth is the next big thing you should really get on Bluetooth and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► sure a lot of it does make Bluetooth mice but whoever said you know what no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► realistic with this stupid animals they were kind of right because those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► always work I hate the stupid might be here again I don't mind Bluetooth if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► Apple does kill the headphone jack and the next iPhone or in a iPhone do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► include some sort of dongle adapter II thing in the box or do they include some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► sort of like Bluetooth earbuds sort of thing I think they would include some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► sort of Bluetooth earbuds sort of thing but what do you think Marco I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► neither do you really think so he's the pessimist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► look this is today's Apple let's be realistic here this is this is away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► them then from there making the 40 bucks on every sale there is no way that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► included in the box no way I say they would there's no way they include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► Bluetooth headphones his that is an upsell that is an optional accessories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► are you not getting bluetooth headphones eventually will become so pervasive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► known as the concept of plugging in a mouse or keyboard or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► eventually then maybe you put it in the first version no but I think they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► include the adapter for the same reason that they felt bad included the MagSafe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► 12 to adapt their in boxes for your products for a long time I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► would include the different five injured after because what the person that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► long time ago I know but for the first one I feel like they're gonna wanna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► something to stem the tide of angry people who use headphones don't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► anymore so I think and and because that adapter would probably be super cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and passive they're put it in the box by now will probably go live long enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► find out this this one is not infinite time scale I would not bet heavily on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► thing that they're going through the day after his right now that would totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► be an apple thing to do but it's just such an easy thing to do to really help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► with the initial impact of the initial anger over breaking peoples headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► that it's so small and so cheap like the little MagSafe 122 it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► situation like we're breaking peoples things in fact that but the MagSafe want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► to do that there was more expensive to manufacture than the Lightning to 3.5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► so part of part of the rumor on this site was that it would the translation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► was kind of weird saying like it would be a special new lightning port that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► would allow passed through audio cassette thing is you can't just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► the digital lightning signal and have a passive attached images move spins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► around and wires that and suddenly becomes an amplified analog signal that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► they first had one so the reports seem to suggest that what it would do and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► that if you plug in these things we special new things in the special new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► portable devices that it would still be using the deck and amp in the phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► that it would it would be able to route those over the lightning port only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► this new phone that would then allow a relatively passive device on to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► headphones out about you can't have you can't have an adapter if you don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► that well you could unless you have a chip in the adapter like this debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► thing with that with the processor in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► yet no I think that's a that's alternative his alternative would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► that the adapter and actually have a little USB DAC anything right in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► which would which is totally possible but they would not do that because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► mean just just think of the Lightning connector the chip in the things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► this only so small you can make anything that involves the chips and then you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► this big stiff than poking out of the bottom of your phone is not good like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► that is it does not gonna happen I don't think they will ever ship a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► that's like right so it is also the in the third option here which is way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► sensible and likely than then shipping adapters in the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► the way more likely explanation here is that they would just they would wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► that the port in that way so that lighting devices made in this lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► audio headphones made in this way would work only on the port on the new devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► made for this they wouldn't care and they would just give a version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► earpods the ship now I just has a lightning flooding and include that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► the box but of course that's a that's what they should the phone with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► course but I think it would also come with the adapter for your old do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► have a pair of Beats thats 3.5 you're going to get the thing that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► come with plain old passive earpods with lightning connector and yes of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► they're not gonna be Bluetooth and it'll also come I think with a little time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► passive adapter and that's the part I don't think they would do that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► know that they would charge at least 20 bucks marriage on about the USB 3 speeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► on the iPad pro remember that yeah and they were one of the things that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► like showing the internals of the port looks like and I think that tear down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► something like two extra contacts for the lightning port and it was a sexual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► context to get the USB 3 speeds because USB 3 connector has more contacts then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► the lighting port has contacts that's why I talked about that the blog you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► don't need even though the usb3 thing has all the parts you need them lining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► because usb3 has dedicated port three centuries even USB two speeds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► lightning wouldn't need that because it can repurpose the pins because like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► dad part of whatever context for may be there for passive audio stuff or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► something like that like the idea that you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► that you can find a way to leave without changing the physical sort of shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► size of the lightning port find a way to make that passive adapter that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► just plug in 3.5 millimeter headphone jack into without a chip or any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► Dec and there it's still just a fully analog coming out that something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► could be done but it but again I don't know even that everything like really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► want to this now or do you want to I don't know what the solution is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► long-term to make it then everything about USBC species not gonna head pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► throughout body only time so maybe that's like the advantage of lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► real lightning will stick around for a long time because applicant do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► like this without consulting anybody else and without worrying about why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► wouldn't I wouldn't assume that lightning is going away in favor of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► it's BC on on the devices have lining anytime soon in fact as we see Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► used a 10-2 more devices you know the Apple could have made things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► smart trackpad and keyboard and everything they could have made those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► charge over USB see and they didn't they made in Treasury lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► those all those all the peripheral the in the the new input devices my new iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► the PC part of the Dragon if we allow but I'm USBC but yeah well they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► have new cable but I I think the reason here is your Apple AAPL is very is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► to interface with peripherals from the rest of the world but they when it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► to their own devices and their own devices like the end of the pledge their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► support they're very happy to support learning because it is theirs and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► that not only does it have more abilities and USB see that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► useful to Apple but again they're making less than one in each one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► things in their control in the the standard and everything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► everything Apple wants its control plus money plus smallness I mean that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► that's you know that is everything they want so they're not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► enlightening anytime soon I I think they would skip USBC entirely for the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► things like iPhones and because you know it's it's not really any smaller than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► lightning is it i mean it were not meaningfully so I'm guessing that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► phone has lightning longer than USBC would be the thing it would move to I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► still I'm still hoping that my next to shape the Mac Pro will have a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► the back of it ton of little parts look like USBC better late than about 30 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► think I'm sad love that and I think that's most likely the case although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3838">TS</a>]
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01:05:21 ◼ ► them pick it up to you'll see it worked out pretty well he tried to show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► another if you live if you if you love somebody you look in the mirror you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► how it looks on you right in your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► five days and then you can send it back no obligation to buy all that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3931">TS</a>]
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01:05:43 ◼ ► with sunglasses every single time and I love polarized sunglasses they offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3943">TS</a>]
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01:06:09 ◼ ► actual confirmed legitimate news happened we were told the WDC that Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► would be open source by the end of the year and with not too much time to spare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► Swift has been open source I am genuinely impressed in the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► impressed me most which I didn't realize at first was that the entire commit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► was was pushed to get hope it wasn't just the initial commit dance which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► what most people do respond but I would've done if I was Apple but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► actually see the evolution of Swift overtime which is crazy to me I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► even know where to go from here but I feel like John after your copeland 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► well the first thing i think is worth explaining what the hell does that mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► open source with how do you open source of programming I was in a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► language just like you read a book and it tells you how language works like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► what are they open sourcing of course they're not you know it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► precise language but they're open sourcing is a bunch of the things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► used to implement the language so I'll p.m. and clang and those composer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► already open source but this quest compiler and the Swiss standard library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► and associated things written so that's what's being open source so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► websites with dot org you can go to sort of the gateway for all the stuff today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► was kind of sad to see that their flight was how is this what that are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► really slow down you didn't get errors but just try to load anything else with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► that are gonna take forever to get back to you so that's kind of embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► and snarky comment I made was like maybe at this website open source project get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► some kind of wealthy corporate backer they can't afford better hosting this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► like the British technology company in the world and that are slow today makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► me sad anyway I will you know more about their network stuff in the future I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► sure really pushing it down the notes on the news but it is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► and it's getting worse and it's simmering so I will complain about it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► some point but stressed out or get you go look at the source code believes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► get up which is the first exciting thing that you would say about this like get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► home premium Apple's not hosting on there you know open source that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► apple.com website where that was the darling source and that's exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► he was talking about in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► Apple has open source components and kept it going back for other Darwin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► core OS that underneath us 10 and iOS has been open source from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► and what usually happens is able to come to some you know conference watc year in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► the old days macworld and announced a new version of the OS and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► developers would develop for it and then they would ship that version of the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► two customers and then you would wait days weeks or months and then the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► source version of the underlying projects like all here's the Darwin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► released for Mac OS 10 10.4 that would only be released as one big blob well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► after the OS was already out sometimes it would be the gap would be that small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► but the bottom line is you get OKC was a big dump like ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► open source ID and see the source code and it just sits there until the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► time out becomes along those floppy ears 10.4 plop here's 10.5 and they were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► the point releases too but it's not like they're showing you here is the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► committee history of all the components of Darwin over their entire development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► you just get these these dumps and it wasn't as assayed developed in the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► right so certainly as they're working you know 10.5 is plop down the site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► someone somewhere in Apple's working at 10.6 you don't get to see that work to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► the open source components you're not going to see any part of 10.6 until 10.6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► out and then the show here by the way here's the open source parts of 10.6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► plop WebKit was a little bit different in that you could see what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► you know wasn't strictly an Apple product was developed kind of out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► open but they would do the same thing with it would be like internally Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► its next version of Safari with a new version of WebKit but they're not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► that work out in the open at some point they're gonna plop down to a big commit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► to the latest version of WebKit and that's been getting better with WebKit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► but Swift is even more towards the actual model the people do with open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► source projects in terms of here the whole history of the entire project from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► the beginning all the committees have accounts and get hopes you can see all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► the you know their names attached to them and literally 2010 is it the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► commit and just go through the history of the entire set programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► and see who did what and look at the commit history and who did it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► contribute the most code when the fun things you can go to a chart in and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► up and say like the graphs and stuff where you basically see it either the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► hire date or the disclosure date of ever working on so effed beginning it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► you know latter is doing everything is the only one who knows anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► right and that is certain point second person and a third person than a fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► person and if it's not there hire date you know the time before is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► when they didn't know the project existed never disclosed on its like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► now see you know so it's like revealing the history of the thing and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► continuing to work on it in the open so much so that there's a road map on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► site to say hey we're going to do with 2.2 and we're going to a 3.90 and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► what's planned for in here the proposals and hear the tech industry leading up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► it so this is totally normal from the perspective of any regular open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► project like Apache or Python or whatever but it is extremely novel in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► terms of core technologies in Apple to be actually realized developed with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► public bug tracker where you're seeing future development happening in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► time they're doing things that are not yet released any Apple product you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► seeing them do them and you can file bugs against them and stop and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► see it is for long-suffering Apple technology enthusiast a breath of fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► it's really surprising and in the last couple of weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► Apple as a whole has been getting a lot of flack about the Mac App Store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► potentially their plans for iPhone hardware and have you guys heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► anything about this headphone thing or not but but this is really this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► really impressive in this is very on Apple like and it was funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► material which the Pakistan relay about Google stopped and they had their you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► know Google's VP of design whose name I will try to pronounce yes they think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► they had him on their podcast granted Schiller did go on the talk show but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► don't typically hear these sorts of things happening with Apple in this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► very open way of doing open source which is just really impressive market been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► quite so far what do you think I'm really happy to see this and then you as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► as much as I do complain about things that Apple doesn't do well and does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► does that are hostile to to either customers are developers in reality this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► is a really big move this is a good move and this is this is way more open about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► this stuff than they than I expected for sure way more open than they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► probably needs to be and there's a number of things about this is gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► to wear like when they first denounced that was due Dec when they first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► announced it will be open sourced and and I thought we talked about it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► know back then and and I said basically that I was reserving any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► enthusiasm about this because I thought was gonna be more like how drama same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► right they don't open source in the past we're just kind of these these dumps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► that useful for the most part and I also was concerned about I would absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► love to only master one new language now to be to cover both my my app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► development and my web development because I don't want no development that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► much I'm not that into it I do web development as as a just a means to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► end to make the absurd I wanna make and I have been doing it in PHP for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► these years and I just now saw a little bit ago but not writing all absent good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► just like making a few components go that the big PHP abuses and I like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► decent amount but I don't think I liked it enough to build a whole new web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► in order to port the hold up I had to I don't I don't plan to do that and swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► is not my perfect ideal language but it's pretty good looks pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► and i know im gonna have to learn it and I want to keep being an Apple platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► developer for ten years from now I'm going to have to learn swift and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► going to do it some point and so it would be nice if I could just learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► swift and have that also work on the web for my future web needs and then I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► finally stop using PHP and start a new Swift everywhere I really get a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► deep mastering of this one language and and be able to share code between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► share my own utility libraries etcetera its share application level could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► some of the data layer stuff I would love that that didn't like it was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► happen before because I was assuming that the open sourcing of Swift would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► you know similar to to the old way just dumping things and and they didn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► anything about open sourcing foundation or any of the API's and so we we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► mess up and threw just assumed that the only part that would be open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► should be the core of a language with the handful of built-in types it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► their be effectively no libraries and that wouldn't be very useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► will be able to step in to try to make their own standard libraries and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► get themselves established as these dinner library and we're gonna mess like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► JavaScript frameworks on this but what has actually happened there outlining a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► plan to actually convert foundation to swift and open source it included in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► this in this package so and I'm sure you know not every API is gonna be available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► in this open source way but what this does is this gives people a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► actually build say a web app that runs a web app back into that runs and swift on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► a Linux server and also runs on iOS where they could actually share a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► meaningful amount of underlying code and libraries and that is really cool that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► was not expecting at all and I'm really happy to see that cuz now that makes us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► interesting that makes this beyond just like an academic curiosity of around me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► get you know Darwin running on Linux server know this is like actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► potentially useful in the real world and no thats a Darwin you know like we knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► announced that it every year you see right we knew they would do Linux but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► didn't know that there be a library's beyond the built-in swift types right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► well so that when they said they were going to like that was the other you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► know in between the slides and they said they were gonna open source in this live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► when they put the world on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► what I was thinking was a reasonable fear is like no matter what you do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► open source and that's well and good but they're gonna open source basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► swift so you can run it on IMAX 10 because there are always those ties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4614">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► those things like oh well if you have a Mac you can do it but it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► using the service nobody is a snack servers so it's a shame that even those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► of us will be open source it's going to be up to the community to figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► the hell to get it to work on Linux and two slides later it's like a Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► Apple's doing that part why would Apple to that Park well Apple has service to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► write and they're probably not running at least at this point gotta help them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► they have server side stuff and why would Apple wastes time doing a Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► port and believe me they would not do it at the goodness of their hardness ac3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► portable look we didn't expire right they're doing it and doing it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► themselves and they eventually basically have the same needs Marco it is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► it's great to meet you run swift the server but we want to share any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► significant amount of code between our client in are certainly great to at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► least a foundation like me and they would be nice I suppose they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► bring the Objective C runtime 22 Linux as well if it's not already there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► with a church chose to do instead which is i think is the most exciting thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► knew that have something like this to be able to run a nice because why the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► else would I will be the Apple wants to use at the same time are going to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► for only on a much larger scale right but what they did was take the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► Rovers like we're not gonna use the Objective C runtime on Linux and let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► use Linux with foundation on Linux you know CoreFoundation in C and foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► in Objective C and I could have done that and it would have worked line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► instead there they have not done this yet but they're undertaking effort to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► port foundation just left and they're doing it you know you can look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► source repository and see like all the MPI implementations word like not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► implemented but the you know the function is there this is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► products they're doing and I don't know what kind of schedule it's on me maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► they were saying but like 3.0 they would have the whole thing ported to whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► so it's still going to confound asian street see underneath the covers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► was already portable for the most part of a nationwide or whatever had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► open source and then on top of that they're gonna go from from that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► swift all the way up so anything that used to be in foundation was objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► see their reinventing in swift still a little bit confused about how they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► gonna do with string vs NSString and by the way that the exciting thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► their founding dropping the NSP fix foundations that they're taking this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► opportunity this recommendation and swift to drop all the NSE's which for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► people who don't know how goes it was Google this earlier to see when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► address was added because it believed was added at some point in the next but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► honest answer next step and so these new Mac developers have no idea what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► next is programming this for months and going through tutorials I'm never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► to make any sense I get very hot that means next step but it's only fair to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► there and now the perfect opportunity to remove it so then how the hell do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► distinguish between swift that string and formerly NSString which I guess we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► just become string I mean you can understand your name spacing like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► would be distinguishable but I know they're like you know bridge to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► other like 20 cause bridge you know rain and a serrated behind the scenes stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► but it's potentially confusing so I can I using pierced with with strings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► made using swift with foundation in swift with swift used to be any strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► that are actually strings anyway I'm sure that working out but the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► line is there clearly not taking the easy road here they're leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► Objective C runtime behind brazilian lines of code and that will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► maintained that enhance for the future obviously but the foundation literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► the foundation of their their programming language stack is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► be written and swept the SI core foundation and then it's gonna be swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► foundation and then switch standard library in all this messed up on puppet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► so this is very exciting and it's exciting not only do they saying they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► doing this is done yet this is nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► the old Apple would not even announced that they're doing this until the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► WTC they're telling you that they're doing it even though it's not done you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► can see how far they've got it and like I said they tell you what this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► to be quick to point to the tell you can three-point know they have a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► whereby you can propose things to be in swift 3.1 or 4.0 and get accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► incorporated you can submit patches and everything its actual open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► development yeah it's really cool and this makes me interested in learning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► language at some point soon I'm starting to jump on it like today or next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► don't don't don't spend too much time learning the plus + and minus minus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► operate yeah but end and one thing that I probably will wait for his is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► they mentioned that they are not talking about like that the goals for the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► 3.0 release that will be in late 2016 which is in a year from now but they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► they're not going to address concurrency primitives and Larry and concurrency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► built-ins and language until after three point I think I do wanna wait to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► master the language until the concurrency stories worked out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► that's pretty important you have an excuse to a nice thing to really master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► I didn't settle to start learning how to restore using it but I i do want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► how it shakes out because that's kind of important in the modern environment i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► mean that's you know that's why go is going to be better for your server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► things goes already like you using this features and go and they really handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► and what they're saying is for now this is a LibraryThing usually dispatch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► now it's not terrible you're already familiar with it from using it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► available in its open source itself right yeah I mean there was this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► for now before we address in the language libraries are the answers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► use P threads usually dispatches whatever the hell you want to use it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► library problem not a language problem but go go decided that it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► not to be part of the language to make stuff easier so it's gonna be there when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► you mention like oh you know right like riding a server-side web framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► equivalent to your PHP one or even equivalent to the simple service you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► doing and go there's a lot of library work that if Apple has done it we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► seeing it yet and so it's up to the community to actually do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► yeah so an under the radar number to you and underscore talked about basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4974">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► need we'll get there when we get there and now it sounds like your kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► rethinking what makes it open source make it so much more appealing to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► because you're not you're not about to be contributing to pull requests or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► anything like that so why don't know so why does it being open source suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► change your opinion because now now mastering swift now has more value to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► because now there's a chance I can use it on the server side as well and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► there's there's now a roadmap insight where that is looking likely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► plausible and and potentially very good so that's a big reason now it isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► 00 just learn how to do everything I've already been doing the same platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► with no possible other impact besides just you know that the language of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► building benefit which I don't care that strongly about yet now it's also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► know I I need to learn a better website language I really do I am constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► hitting PHD's limits and I'm constantly running into problems with it whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► do new development and it's not that I you know it's not the you know PHP is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► constantly pressuring but it seems on shaky ground that you have expressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► before that I I just don't see why why I like that that I don't really believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► that that is leadership is taking it in good directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► has but you know it starts to affect me anyway so i i i want to get off PHP is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► sooner rather than later but I also don't think is the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► necessarily like it's it's good enough for now but I'm still looking for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► better overall web language to switch to I don't think it's gonna be I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► think there's going to be it for this to potentially step in that role then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► gives me a really big reason to learn swift not to mention the code sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► benefits you know if I can have if I can have like the model layers shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► between like say overcast and its Web Component stuff there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► benefits to having that kind of code sharing potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► and III even simple things like right now the main reason why the overcast web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► interface does not have playlists is because I don't want to have to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► code that the playlist used to order themselves which is a very complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► piece of your C code I don't report that to PHP because I'm I it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► massive amount of work to get a right answer to be buggy I don't want it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► worth it if there's there's opportunities like that were like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► could say the same thing on both sides that would that would be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► easily solve problem so you know I'm looking forward to to a future where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► can just master one that's my style my style is not to learn 16 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► languages and and to have a shallow person each of them might my style is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► really master one thing and use it for ever use it until after making fun of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► for using it and then finally switch so that's why that's how it got me here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► I think I would love for swift to be the next language to do that with and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► now showed me that that has a good chance of being possible as you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► your own web remarking swift because there won't be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► well it probably will be one pretty soon but yeah there if they are there already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► a couple but I know right now based on the new foundation based on all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► stuff like that that wasn't part of Apple's App Store stop by the way here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► what we're using our services with because Apple surely using several sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► where and how they're incorporating and I'm not sure but there is no equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► to you know whatever your favorite web even equivalent I don't think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► even a simple server port listening stuff that's in the gold standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► libraries is there no that's what I mean is is this is the networking stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► you've imported yet just never were you want some of that you need something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► like over teens are an event driven luper you need something to handle you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► request there once you know there's there's an opportunity for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► want to do something potentially you know dramatic and something that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► big footprint of affect the first person to make a really good web framework in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► suicide swift will have the attention of everybody who's in the same situation as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► Marco just got an iOS app and I would love to be able to share the faceless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► components between the server and the client I don't wanna have to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► all the crap about running after listening to depart dispatching based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► URL since I want a fairly simple but reliable fast framework to do that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► me if someone makes one I would use it cuz you just want to plug in your model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► code you don't want to deal with like request routing and parsing HTTP headers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► and crap like that you know you ideally that's that should all be handled by any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► modern framework like I there's no there's no reason for doing that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► manually anymore I mean and standard library handle it and go as their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► library functions and things like that but stressed that the gap and so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► more points it would probably continue this topic and future shows when i doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► but and the topic of Apple being more open craig Venter et who like the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► of all software and Apple at a notice title is he is making the rounds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► websites is interviewed at Ars Technica I think he talked to the next Weber a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► bunch of other websites I read reviews where craig Venter you talked to a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► of websites about this with open source project when has that happened it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► definitely in new Apple thing like that they send out one of their guys to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► the rounds of the relatively speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► you know dinky little websites I can you know you'd see Steve Jobs go on CNN or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► something and talk to the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► that's it but now he is talking to the second tier websites in the tech press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► yeah CNN doesn't want to hear about open source with basically but no this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► this great yeah I think this is a great meeting you know he's going to be saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► the same things every different website or whatever but but it is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► it just makes you feel better the like ya see what you can do apple just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► regular PR in some ways Apple was I was also named as interesting and special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► regular PR like every other company anything they do they think is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► remotely important like a proud though child see what I made see looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► refrigerator right and Apple would just be like we say nothing we talk to you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► everything else we do maybe the press release on our site and I talked to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► just reblog our press release like or don't we don't care like whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► now they're actually saying hey we've got Craig here you wanna talk to me want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► to talk to you about open source with like to to the tech websites and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► that's just weird and I think that the weather's don't even know how to handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► it like a lot of these websites are not accustomed to interviewing and executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► and then writing an article based on that interview with Apple executives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► because it's like so do I just transcribe exactly what they said even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► though their sentence doesn't quite make sense or do I cleaned up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► but then will they be afraid I misquoting them and it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► awkward it's like I didn't think you'd actually show up is this really you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► he'd like let's talk about swift 45 minutes and then I'll write something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► about this is totally weird so it definitely it definitely feels weird I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► mean it would be weird it was you know Chris Lattner talking to everybody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► hurry to make sense is that a loss of her department and he's gonna tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► why Apple is open soaring swift and that's a good idea so put a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► article but you can see a bunch of other things around and this is definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► must I guess is the appropriate Cold War metaphor for this so I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► exciting and I hope to see more of that like you know do it every time every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5430">TS</a>]
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01:31:51 ◼ ► new blade every time and really this is this is ridiculous for most of shaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5511">TS</a>]
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01:32:41 ◼ ► more thing to add about quest for this show we're going to talk more about open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► source with an ex I'm sure cuz we just put a dividing line the notes about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► with one thing we forgot to mention is what licenses this one open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► licenses and it is the Apache 2.0 License with a special exception to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► require you to open source stuff that you build into like a single library or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► something that happens to start to pull in some of the swift flight runtime that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► saying that you don't have to open source that when it's ok that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► by and with the swift standard library whatever doesn't mean that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► something open source for all applications so it's a very permissive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► license its not ppl because both commercial company and they would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► do DPL because it is intentionally viral and Apple doesn't like the virality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► that particular of the constraints and forced by the GPL so I think for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► most part no one is surprised by the license and for the most part the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► expected to be happy about an expected people are unhappy about it there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► fun this is actually the Commission briefly is it a thing with a lot of open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► source projects where where you put the source code is it necessarily the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► place where you want people to file a bug so get up like many places that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► can put source code for also has what they called issue tracker which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► basically a bug tracker but Apple of course has its own boat recalled radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► and swift does not use the issue tracker on github it has its own website like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► bugs that's without org and I think that's where they want you to file the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► bugs unless they want you to follow our radar it's a little bit confusing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► starts with argan eventually be led to the right place but the bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► on github you can't I think at issues but you can issue pull request someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► immediately made upon request to change the license like GPL or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► a million people told the thread with animated gifs and stuff so I will put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► that one commissioned as well as well so you can enjoy looking at that the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► strolling pull request I get help for swift and of course this License which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► far as I'm concerned I don't care about I think that the caller ID license their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► percent it's fine but other people do care about it and so there you have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► any other thoughts before next week we're just gonna say we're just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► hold ya gonna hold more more to talk about him I probably got more in depth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► in the same topics for geeks and hopefully by next week we'll know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► record this we only have something like four hours we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► alright overall good week we still have a headphone jack and swift had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► good stuff so I'm happy thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► areas were Parker and cards against humanity and we will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► or hear you next week or speech just keep saying that the same way you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► been saying it works fine you will hear us next week not this terrible what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► say and we will see you next week you had a thing you think people need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► repetition of familiar phrases and beats in the story structure that is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► podcast to feel at home don't mess with it and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental john Kasay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5746">TS</a>]
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01:37:13 ◼ ► stories and she started wanting to write one by typing instead of their riding on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5833">TS</a>]
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01:37:22 ◼ ► her up there okay here you go you can type something and I think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► the latest version of pages she also got it on her iPad with the latest version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► of the original pages she just wants the type of stories just words on a page not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► very demanding and it would be nice if she could do it in both places right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► know pages is integrated with iCloud and you make a document and she could type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► on the computer and then she's in her room with the iPad she could continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► typing on the iPad seem like the ideal opportunity and new page layout I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► doing anything fancy here could have maybe use text ended its amenities pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5876">TS</a>]
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01:38:05 ◼ ► gonna retire so I set up these pages and she's typing a long and typing on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5885">TS</a>]
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01:38:19 ◼ ► talking about like it's such an alien concept doesn't make any sense like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5899">TS</a>]
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01:38:32 ◼ ► it to the right place I'm so it's safe to say you have to do by heading to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► Manchester liking this command every once in a while but to initially start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► will give the thing a name and I will put it in iCloud drive right but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► will you know I picked up a lot better now she says and she's typing on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► works fine for like a day or two then at some point I said you know like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► you need to get kicked off the computer kicked out of something like what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► can continue writing this on your iPad and she's not surprised about or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► impressed by the way she was like alright fine and then I loading pages up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► on her iPad tried to open the document that she had just been editing on Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► and it wouldn't open and so what is it simply it looks like the document is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► being modified or something like it complained cuz I still have it open on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► the Mac that's messed up but fine whatever I'll close it on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► open and on the iPad and eventually open the iPad and you start typing stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► of course there's no you know like saving action going on there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► which was done with that included it was gone and then she came back to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► and said I want to the american now and we went to open pages and open the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► document and it gives $1 boxes like this document can be open right now I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► it's also because it's being modified from those with health message bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► line was you couldn't open double clicking it didn't work opening it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► the application didn't work then I tried to open the iPad also wouldn't open on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► the iPad I'm not asking the world view this is Apple hardware Apple software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► latest version latest version of application latest version of the OS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► just wanted the same document in two different places and now i cant open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► anywhere and my daughter is upset justifiably so because previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► everything was fine I was riding on my Mac and because dad wanted to say even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► though you can write on your iPad now i cant open in anywhere and maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► gone and so I have to fix this problem by figuring out what the deal is like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► tried everything you can imagine eventually I tried copying the documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► out of the iCloud thing and like opening it and pulling out the tax thing copying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► and pasting into new text document and i said i call someone try Club Dr screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► this I'm putting it in Dropbox so I could drive was cut out of the equation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► I put them in Dropbox now I'm terrified to even try to open it on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► because that may and opposing think I thought I was in the clear I might say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► the new Dropbox she doesn't know where it saves about $7 said I told you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► use on the iPad in a market that doesn't work that crap doesn't work and I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► move out of my car driver loses a total failure of the most simple thing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► possibly do a single person having a single document in iCloud drive on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► know everything perfect and just just abject total failure like not even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► didn't work it didn't sink or whatever just you could you could open document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► it all then she decided to write a new story and so I should have to make a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► and she was typing for a while and I came in and once again she had not saved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► for you know twenty minutes and is that all you have to say that right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► want to say it and it you know I'm saving in Dropbox now instead of a drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► so it's a if you ask me for filename has never been given a name before I type in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► a name for it hit the Save button says untitled cannot be read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► popping back didn't save a try-saving end I say that as you know saving in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► different location not in Dropbox unrealistic says untitled cannot be read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► group send him back to document I'm like are you serious now I made a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► document I can't even save it to the local filesystem this is just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► brokenness thing I've ever seen in my life like seriously you know me I E max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► I just wanna make a text document and save it to the local disk I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► what was wrong at this point I don't even care like I feel like burning pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► to the ground and just never looking at it again I don't know what the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► is like it because the new document was automatically made an iCloud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► something opposed by the way the ghost of the old document that was an iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► is still there at like this half packaging that I can't do it because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► 37 in the Finder some crap like that so maybe I'm just entirely hoster I Club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► Drive and because when you make a new document also say that I club the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► fact of me trying to save it to local disk has to read the document my club I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► could drive on what you read about things in use I really horrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► complete failure of the most simple thing you could possibly do with pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► which is make a text document and adjust it just boggles my mind and I just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► what would regular people do like they would never try pages again I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► will never try pages again she kinda knows how to use pages and knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► change the font and stuff so I'm afraid to switch out of that until i text that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► but unlike maybe just under two microsoft word 2003 and be able to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► documents and Google Docs or crowd I know Google Docs will work we use it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► edit this document and at no time are we all not able to open this document in no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► time are not able to save it like Apple what is going on I don't I don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► and still as I sit here right now in her I Club Drive is the ghost of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► ancient pages file paxon that I literally cannot delete from the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► I don't know one of the most depressing experiences I've had that will serve as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► I software in two years but saying a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► series of those like I i cant can you think of some obviously did also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► worth of data loss and it wouldn't be allowed to date someone wasn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► didn't realize that you can you know select all copy and paste into a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► thing you know find your way out of it but for a brief period of time I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► open up her original Pages document anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► couldn't open in any Mac can open any iOS device every time he tried to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► it would give you an error and it was the only copy of the file that we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► you learned a lesson that I'm slowly learning over the last couple of months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► which is that I think for maximum happiness is is best to keep a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► bit more distance from Apple stuff than what we've been keeping and you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► me like that you know I'm rethinking my use of photos I'm rethinking my use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► any kind of iCloud backend stuff rethinking whether even wanna keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► wearing the Apple watch there's a lot of things were like you know Apple right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► now they're so big they're doing so much stuff they're spread so thin so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► Apple's stuff is in this 1.0 or beta state recently with no end in sight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► it seemed like the direction the company is going is towards being even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► spread thin can be having even more like 1.0 have finished products it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► important for for people like us who do care about you know our our computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► life happiness are stability or data integrity I i think it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► forces are realizing like you know going all-in and Apple is not happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► anymore and it's best to keep some distance and you know maybe have a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► and iPhone but you know not every iPad plus the Apple TV + every phone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► year plus the Apple watch plus being other news services at music and photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► photo library cloud all sorts of you know maybe not having everything I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► you for me mostly what I have already known as long as its stick to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► products that are really important Apple photos is way more important the pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► and it shows I feel like right and things like i cud drive where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► already an alternative that I'll that I've been using the words to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► Dropbox right don't switch da club Dr just because it's apples thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► you already have Dropbox injury does that like it's the same reason I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► pretty much no matter what Apple does without application and iCloud mail I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► would never switch from Gmail Gmail starts being unsatisfactory to me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► now that's the whole thing is like just because Apple makes a version of a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► that you already have been like don't switch to it because you think the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► thing is going to be better right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► only switch when you are dissatisfied with the thing that you have some not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► dissatisfied with Dropbox so I mean I did it for my daughter is giving her a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► difference like I'm thinking a different standard her like she has nothing now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► maybe if she just starts off as an iCloud person right from day one and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► all our stuff and I could drive maybe work out fine for I already have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► know investment in Dropbox my stuff in Dropbox my habits formed in Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► Dropbox third party company could get acquired by someone could go out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► business from a kid that they like you just start straight up apple and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► just have you know one account and everything's on your Apple idea but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► won't that be simpler for you it's less for me to explain like it's bad enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► that my mother still insist on having to email addresses the pain it caused me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► just tremendous amount of pain one is for spam and honestly I've kind of done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► that with my kids too because I don't trust because I'm so distrustful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► Apple Mail I gave them both Gmail accounts as well so they have and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► know it could be conducive to them if that was their revealed the confusion by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► just hit the Apple Mail app on their iOS devices just see the gmail icon is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► they get there but for this that I made a different choice then it would offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► myself basically cuz I would never done it before them I decided to do it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► was a mistake so I really need to trust my instincts more on if it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► really important to Apple it has a much higher chance then if it's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► sometimes I think it's maybe a healthy way to look at this would be in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► in the last ten years so we we keep going more and more towards integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► and and and these these you know an increasingly smaller number of companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► at each increasingly offer a larger number of services and products that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► people are expected to come to go all in one company for oh you're all in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► Apple ecosystem are you all the Google ecosystem or whatever and I i think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► what may be a better it would it look at this is kinda like the the danger of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► monoculture and that if you're all in on on anything that it makes you vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► to problems and and maybe the healthier thing to do is to maintain diversity in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► the things that you use and things you rely on so you know I'm all-in on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► Apple stuff in a lot of ways but I don't use i-five drive because it feels like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► little too much in a way that Apple's not very good at usually so and i ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► my email I use fast enough for that with me in front of it so I you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► why wouldn't I wouldn't trust I thought mail even know a lot of people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► works fine I'm surprised you didn't tell me your usual speech was like really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► this is true I just have been Laxmi doing it the right thing to do for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► kids not to get on Gmail accounts are applicants the right thing to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► giving them accounts in a demand that I own even if behind the scenes like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► kind of doing them a disservice by not doing that but then again they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► going to do then they're gonna become adults and pick their own place I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► hope won't be hotmail hotmail will never die but I can get my sister I tried I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► really tried she has a gmail account hotmail goes to it you can email from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► hotmail through it just I could do it she keeps going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6564">TS</a>]
00:00:00 ◼ ► but you're always sick here here's how I know that I'm going to be second Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► therefore we are sick of France's persons name you both know this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► rate Andreas nothin was one of the many people who read it has that apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/12">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► IMAX no longer have IR sensors since around 2012 so people suggesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/16">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► perhaps my shiny new 5 k iMac was getting woken from sleep by our panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► that's not happening because there's no sensor that's kinda go to in other words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► this ancient history is that IMAX have not had a IR sensors since four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/30">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► after your Mac Pro is made that you're still using everyday still working just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► fine I'm wondering at this point I'm wondering if I can make it ten years but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► I don't want to just make an external display for crying out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/44">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► you make it there they're not going to make the computer you want ever and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/48">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► well I just need an external five-game displaying the computer the contrived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► an economic the display with no computer the drunken driving in the neck and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► sure they can drive with no display so it won't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► the computer that drives it is gonna not have the right kenny gaming card for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► and configure its gonna be way too expensive not going to be the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/68">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► right kind but it'll be acceptable it will be way faster than everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/72">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► I have including the one that's built into the iMac goodness did I tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► guys that working out of a client's office for the last month or so and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► be for awhile you know as working for a client goes it's pretty good but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/84">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► still kind of weird doing the staff fog thing which is not what I'm used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► doing but anyway we wait the what the staff blog what does that mean John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/95">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► have no idea really insulting language you're speaking now I never did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/100">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► Virginia think I'm gonna now it's not a Virginia thing it's a consulting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/105">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► staff augmentation so generally speaking the work I do I woulda got that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► pronounce it like a New Yorker I was like staff August Orbis I I thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/114">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► OG yeah but you hang out with different views and his staff disabled what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► doin stempel fair enough so they have all my clock is ticking like this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/124">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► a random guess here I'm guessing that nobody who has a New York accent thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► enough to notice like that would ever say staff like that just the phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► would never use that phrase that's it there's no overlap between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► population who would say that phrase and people who would have that accent people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► are there are consultants and to use the sky so anyway so I'm doing staff log and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/147">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and basically what that means is it rather than having a group of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► co-workers that is working to sought to build a project as a group often in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/158">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► concert with the client yeah we prefer to do it in concert with a client but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► it's it's a group of us this by comparison is basically I get kicked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► the butt over to a client's office and said come back in a few months when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/173">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► client doesn't wanna pay for your time anymore and so much by myself anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/177">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► reason I actually bring this up is I got issued that god awful del that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/181">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► tweeted a picture of the god-awful keyboard and i got to tell you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► trackpad is unusable I fiddle with the settings to kingdom come the trackpad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► unusable wanna know how anyone uses a Dell but anyway I look around me and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/193">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► know what I see all over this office cinema displays everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► drives me insane I want so badly even though I know there's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► displaced we had but I've always just thought they were so pretty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► beautiful and they have like a quasi docking station and I want one so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► and they're everywhere they get you have when you plug in all of your firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/212">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► delightful now I am jealous of it I love to have like that you have the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/222">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► hanging off their my mic setup at home hanging off their man can dream but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/227">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► so here I am using my Dell with all of these displays a MacBook Pro and MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► Airs all around me a real consulting if only you had two or three Mac laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/237">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► that you could bring one to your clients that's what I do I bring my work laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► so I can't get work email and talk on work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► etcetera etcetera but it's depressing well it would be more depressing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/252">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► really were tied to the idea of listening to your headphones on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/258">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► iPhone while you are working and charging at same time which might not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► possible next year you're jumping ahead jumping ahead I we have more follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/266">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► though I idea I derailed us then you tried to move the train forward let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► let's get back on the tracks not too much power of saudi riyal sign there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► this is from Sebastian routes cruise by the German names today trying to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/279">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► about a little bit of the history behind and DNS responder and discovered he and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► all that stuff this story is told in a video that is in German so we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► this translated for us so we'll put a link to the video in the shower nuts if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► you understand German you can watch it but anyway we're taking this person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► word translation apparently the story is about events surf the father of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► internet can read his Wikipedia page if you wanna talk about him and dark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/306">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► tcp/ip and all that good stuff anyway he was at an IETF meeting internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/310">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► Engineering Task Force MTG and it was set up in his printer isn't working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► anymore so he called that Tim Cook which thing you can do when your answer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► your pissed off about your printer not working and Tim Cook then talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► Stewart Cheshire who is the guy who invented Bonjour formerly known as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► rendezvous and a bunch of other Apple networking stuff and told him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► investigate and eventually they're the ones who supposedly came up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► idea of let's just take out discovered the input Mtns responder and see if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► fixes the problem so this is the possibly apocryphal story of what one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► possible contributing factor to why did Apple iPad Apple know what would it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/344">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► for Apple to take action and actually fix this problem once and for all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/350">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► time I was found seriously depressing there's even any a bit of truth it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► like well I wouldn't care until then surf called Tim Cook and that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► message actually got to top that there was a problem I really don't like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► believe that these things are true but it does make for a funny story yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/365">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► mean honestly it's plausible based on based on Apple's apparent reaction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► the you know all the sudden there's a problem in Apple knows about it suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► but we've all known about it for years it kind of does seem like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► system is supposed to inform the high ups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► about these problems that a lot of people face is falling over somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► likes that system the the higher ups are measuring something and they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► data from something but it doesn't seem like most of the actual problems an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/395">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► actual criticism is reaching them and that's a little bit scary big companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► are all like that to some degree it's just that you know is the fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► scenario that that you have as a child that follows many people to adulthood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► that it like somewhere in the world there are the grown-up people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► what they're doing and like when you become an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► most evil than you realize that that's not the case now I'm an adult I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► no one knows what they're doing right but we hold onto a little bit of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► especially for the for the things that we admired like okay my company doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► know what he's done the higher ups in my company have no clue and my company this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► functional but surely the richest company in the world the most successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► got that way because they're better than my crappy company so even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/440">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► understand that yes no no they doing this know people somewhere who are alike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► in charge and actually understand things surely Apple is at least a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► different but the big companies like any other big company and its really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► difficult to organize a big company in a way that doesnt incentivize people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/455">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► management layers below the top to hide bad news from the people about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/462">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► because they get raided and judged by how well they're doing and you like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/466">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► it's it's in everyone's best interest to some degree to not only do not convey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► that lossless Lee up the management chain right and so that's why i like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/478">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► described this as a text from the top down where you would hope that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/484">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► lots of other people talking to lots of other customers and stuff about problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► and doing all you know the leaf nodes at the org chart to north of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/491">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► involving customers gathering information so on and so forth but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► information has to go up up up the chain and the more level that have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► through the more likely it is to be toned down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► on or three prioritized or whatever until about time against the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► something that is a real problem for most of the end users to delete notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► know about but I'ma get the top doesn't seem like that big of a deal so it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► to come you know and and the other is human nature of the people the top maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► but surf was not annoyed by discovered he say he was denied by some other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► that just happened to annoy him that might have gotten fixed and that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/526">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► would have been in service problems so he would have bypassed the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► organization to get the thing that isn't a problem for most of the people fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► and he would be happy and so in some respects the organization is working to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/535">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► try to prioritize things to tell Tim Cook what's really important in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/539">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► case it just so happened that the top down you know celebrity based fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/543">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► also happened to him on the thing that was a problem for a lot of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► companies are messed up to talk about you don't like Mei Casey mark on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/553">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► little bit strange becomes NKC having worked in consulted for becoming very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► least have you seen some of this going on where the the lower you get the org [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► chart the more people really know what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► oh god yes and not at the company on consulting with now but I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► talked about Michelle two years ago but there is a large firm in Richmond that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► that i did some consulting for and it was abundantly obvious to me that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/579">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► of the organizations middle management and most of the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► motor brilliant these middle managers really knew deep down that they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/590">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► redundant and so every meeting you are in everyone wanted to be included in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► everyone wanted to say something really really interesting so everyone around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► them new Oh Susie isn't expendable because he just said something smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/604">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► Bob sorry babe he's expendable because he really say anything this meeting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/610">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► was just ridiculous because it was a billion middle managers and like seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/616">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► actual grants to actually get work done here absolutely right point of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► about John Mayer the musician famously emailing bugs in logic directly to Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/626">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► get an email the logic team get an email as fix this and that's another a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/634">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► like the worst way to do this by the way like to have a famous person go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► very top of your organization and have the personality organization highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► motivated to satisfy the famous person because sometimes the famous personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► final the jet bug that everyone's experience but a lot of time the famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► person would just be annoyed by some minor issue and why do they get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► special treatment like they maybe you know reshaping the application in a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/658">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► way for most people just to satisfy John Mayer's this is not scale says I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/663">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► saying like the way it works now with leaf nodes not message not getting up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/667">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► really you don't need one of those things you want and efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/672">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► organization that correctly communicates what's really happening to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► customers and how they really feel about your product up the management change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► without diluting it in a way to protect the reputation of your group or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► it is that you're doing is a manager to try to say well this wasn't our fault in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/687">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► this isn't that big of a problem and everything we made in this press release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► is going really well as so give me good rating and a big bonus this year our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/693">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► first budget this week is cards against humanity and rather than a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/698">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► sponsor read they asked John to review one last toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/703">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► countertop I hope you're gonna study found that toaster in my garage I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/712">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► realize I had that the monstrosity but the big griddle on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► stuff since I didn't realize I had that toaster at some point during the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/726">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► you might ask the question of where that is like the average cost for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► weekend about you know I don't have a toaster and then they would rush went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/734">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► out to me I would get a toaster and so basically somewhere their account got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/737">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► off so a toaster arrived for this week but I already had toaster so now I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► two tests this week and the sentencing on them because this is the last week so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► this is going to be double toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► this is exciting lucky lucky you the first toaster is the Americana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/750">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► collection 3 in 1 mini breakfasts shop shop with two peas in a hyphen 200 BL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/756">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► and if you look at it looks a lot like the crazy one from the last time the red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/765">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► toaster oven it's got a little tiny coffee pot drip coffee pot thing and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/772">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► top of the toaster it's got a little thing that gets hot but you can cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/777">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► the last one when I said that the coffee thing even though the picture you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► picturing it like it's a regular drip coffee thing really it's like tiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► also as this one my daughter actually said in the kitchen she walked up as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► looks like it's for a doll is microscopic it is incredibly incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/794">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► small obviously the coffee thing is tiny but look at the toaster part of me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► you can look at the measurements and try to get an idea for a bit here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► best way I can describe it to our audience the trade at slides inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► toaster is smaller than a magic trackpad too can you even fit one piece of bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/808">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► on their infant one piece of bread in there it's not too big so you can 22 wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► yeah so this is very similar to the old one such a market for these three and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/819">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► one thanks so similar likes of the coffee thing looks like it might even be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► using some of the same parts that when still does its job you can put water in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/827">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► their heated up pretty quickly dip trip through the filter into the thing is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► you like drip coffee this is this is a drip coffee thing it doesn't take too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► long to boil the water got the same type of thing with top down the sides what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► heating elements will be on in the bottom line is just a plain time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► bother but little pictures of light medium and dark toasted is like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► time I just heard it good luck to give you any guidance there and it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/848">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► give you any guidance because trying to toast the piece of toast in there at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/854">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► around five minutes and 50 seconds I gave up not being able to see any real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► color on the top of the toast and I took it out in the bottom was overdone a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► practically black in the middle and a top 10 no Colorado that's almost six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/866">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► minutes so as a toaster it fails to talk even though you into one piece of bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► in there it fails the test that there is no just over at by the way so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► maybe why the burning on the bottom and click on top maybe doesn't adjust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► top thing instead of having a full-size griddle and has a circular 10 same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► problem as before just doesn't it isn't hot enough for doesn't like I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/888">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► promise this time the thermal mass like it's just a thin piece of metal so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► when you put the egg on it just sucks all the heat out of the thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► heating element don't have enough to keep up like I think basically the grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/898">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► access heatsink for the heating elements dissipating their heat but not into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► egg so I was able to go in for one egg on their size of a poached egg thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/906">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► right so I was able to go on Friday gonna have to say did a better job than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► the previous one and that one egg I was able to cook it and it came out like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► actual I get cooked enough to to stay together and let me flip it over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► everything so but really nobody should ever buy this or the other thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/924">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► not good anything that it does things it is adorable dog has been sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/930">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► this one even more than the red one looks at our looks like the looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► you have an easy bake oven on you can talk the talk but it really works sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/939">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► of yet to varying degrees of work I wish you could try the coffee is just got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/944">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► filter in there comes with the filter makes the water hot it runs it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► the filter something a little thing like that I don't see how the machine itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► could affect the quality of the coffee coming out of it is it really is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/957">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► most primitive thing you can imagine all just plastic parts inside there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► nothing fancy it is not only the price but is this is like $35 yeah you got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/964">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► when you're paying for their so I think the main market for this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► Hollywood prop buyers who want to put something in the background of a scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► seen in like a cute kitchen apartment in like Manhattan or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► would I i really do want to obviously there's a market for these because so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► many are for sale but I just have to wonder who is buying suckers people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/987">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► think it's a great way to save counter space I have three things on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/992">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► problems like who wants to cut off your toaster oven or toaster ovens usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/998">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► underneath like their overhead cabinets above the menu making hot steaming onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► the bottom you can it's just not a good idea even if it were to win big idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► just us like seriously to can tomatoes one slice of bread in six minutes forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► the best thing is this has a four-star average review on Amazon with two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► hundred and forty reviews how has to be paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► maybe they just don't know how these things are supposed to operate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► everything smaller than expected but works as promised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► verified purchase the toaster oven was probably the biggest negative is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► one left to fit one slice of break through and it doesn't cost that after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► fortunately there is a top burner and a bottom burners you can stack two pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► of bread on top of each other and flip them in the middle of cooking now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► can please just like hold your breath over a match its cool I can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► take this with me when I'm on the road to set up in the hotels I stay in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► things that the drip coffeemaker the hotel's is better than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► ya like it and those are terrible and that we're better than this likes dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► and doesn't fall apart as they have to be in hotel room in hotel bar coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► Wow alright anyway the second one must try to you know bring this back from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► insanity of these multifunctional my second one is still a jet toaster oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► this is the KitchenAid twelve-inch convection bake digital countertop oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► model Casey 0 273 the Euro this one in the chat room for everybody who this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► a high-priced when this is $187 yeah this is a fancy toaster oven were back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► to normal again things first thing you have to know about this is it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► big I don't they look the same size on Amazon I have a pretty big toaster the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► Breville success TXL this is really big its like the bigger rival did so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► that I think it really is beyond what is reasonable for most people's kitchens if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► you have a really really big house this will be to scale down like when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► like a big impact so it's a lot of interior design you have to scale the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► unfortunately I like the scale of entry to the people but no matter how big you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► are you have a really small room and you put a gigantic let puppy love yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► and it will over overwhelm the room simulator you have a cavernous room you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► up at this delicate little to soften it it won't look quite so this is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► toaster oven so do not buy this unless you have a really big kitchen or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► really want to dedicate that much space to install too wide it's the pits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► humongous I when when I put this on my counter since I have like an arrow like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► New England ancient countertops opening the door practically that's it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► no space left like this toaster I can open the door and I don't remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► door overhanging the edge of my counter but its close this thing is huge its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► stainless steel like a picture that is actual standstill not plastic colored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► stainless steel very sturdy construction I think even handle stainless steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► which case they handled it like plastic foam insulation it feels Rogan it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► appeals to you know it looks nice glossy everything feels thick the the wire rack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► feels incredibly rugged thick gauge wire it's actually a little metal strip on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► the front of it everything is very solid the door feel solid opens and closes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► little not little rubber stoppers big rubber stoppers on it the the spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► tension just right doesn't doesn't wobble Creek three positions for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► rack and they have little destruction nothing about where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► for this five heating elements for this thing resistance 2012 plus one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► thicker court style ones on top in the middle of the huge that court like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► of those like for power to like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► Makita drill or something like a big three prong cord with a very thick cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► and the big character and I know what you guys do those who don't they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► have to go into kitchen like we're living people plug in the toaster oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► it's like you're gonna put in and then you're gonna plug it in and the plug is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► going to be just above your counter right the plug sticks out like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► inches from the place where you plug in because it's right it's not they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► make flush mount plugs you know you know there's little doubt it you have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► it like even if the plugged in right behind the toaster because it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► toaster be six inches away from the body was not arrested who wants to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► big thick like hard to manage the power requirements but they climb out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► people and they don't see the controls on this one if you look at it are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► similar to my bro I don't know who copied who obviously a memorable for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► I'm thinking how they copied the devil knows there is an LCD on top a backlit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► LCD on top showing you temperatures timers countdowns the same type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► control for you get the pic a temperature and let you know a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► slices or whatever there's two knobs the first one is the function now from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► diff things you can do like toast bacon has things to reheat in bagel that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► like you know different temperatures during different phases like resembled a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► bagel do a lower temperature toasted and towards the end to the top elements only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► really high to toast the bagel assume it's assuming you have a bagel thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► sliced in half and stuff like that it's a different more functions in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► Breville for all sorts of things is also a conviction of my hope is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► reasons suffered a huge gotta fill the convection fans in there so there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► function settings for conviction typing to try to take a whole chicken and keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► the air flowing and Chris the skin at the end of everything and then the knob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► load is the control knob which really is just kinda like the the control knob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► your BMW's or whatever where it where you just press the Select and turn to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► up and down selections in the menu the knobs themselves they are not as widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► as they're on the Breville the stock plastic for the night as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► much slop they're not made to look like thick metal which helps they're nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► materials then the better ones that are like shiny plastic textured they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► still a little bit gritty i'm not the best feeling knobs but they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► better than the prevalence of their pretty good since the function on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► bottom really should just be a disk because it's like turn left turn right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► to go through a series of options and press in its weird that it has like a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► flathead screwdriver type like indentation they want you to pension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► because there's just been around forever like there's no there's no markings or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► anything it's really just a jog dial basically and it's weird for a jog dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► to have a partner even greater because then it's like when you're done with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► when do you leave a deal even pointing up to you like anytime you turn it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► change in number on the screen so that's a little weird but I think just over 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► and that's gonna start button on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1378">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► got a little button for frozen things one of the other but remember off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► top of my head on the Connection button to turn it back to the knob feels good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► so so higher quality than my brother and I don't feel like they're shaking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► to come off and they're not fake looking like metal but it really plastic but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► think the decision to make the jog dial look positional when it's not really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► a little bit off the press it is about it's weird to press the button that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► you know that's like a dial you can pinch Coast time four minutes 30 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► for peace toast not great the rebels little bit faster but the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► cavernous like you would like it doesn't take eight minutes and it did it pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► decent job of toasting the convection features I didn't have an opportunity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► test because I don't have anything that you cooking connection as I could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► setting and stuff so I think you could use as a manager he didn't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► entire chicken to put in there is depicted in this is not as long as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► super tall and was so there isn't that much you know I was not as a place like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► that member the one that the pro built in that you could get a bigger chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► so to categorize this I would say this is most similar to the big Breville [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► which I've never tested by the way and so I assume it's ok because I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► small gravel and people have the big people say it's good but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► similar in terms of it feels sturdy looks nice it does the job that supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► to do it has enough heating element the heat up that big interior and I guess if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► you only use it as another number climbed to I think the best things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► recommend this the most are the things that I like most about my trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► I like seeing immediately when I press the start button how long it gonna take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► you know as soon as you put the pieces of toast they say how many pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► toast and what level of darkness which is a number that you can pick 3456789 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► whatever darkness you like and when you press the start button and it will tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► you they will start counting down from four minutes and 20 seconds or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► and then you put in the second round bread of someone else wants to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► counting down from three minutes and 30 seconds because the thing is heated up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► you know how long it's gonna take you get to see a countdown it's easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► adjust because they get it they get around the whole problem of trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► the darkness just because it's a number on the screen really you just using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► control to adjust the screen the screen really helps because then you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► countdown show where the numbers up there it's not like a full bitmap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► display it's you know a bunch of seven segment things among other things but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► makes a big difference but not surprisingly useful kind of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► little bit more about that some of us have we're toast bread but actually it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► pretty straight out of the freezer so on the same toasting you always want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► a little snowflake button and it was just a little bit more to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► difference it before it goes into the tow cycles so overall if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► really big toaster and consider haven't tested the really big Breville this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► the best really big coaster I've ever tried it is a solid quality product does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► all the jobs that supposed to do if you as they say if you have the space I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► wow so if you have the means you highly suggest picking one up yet yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► it's it's it is a reference since since the last 19 I was making reference to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1552">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► lot of people have asked about the three homes toaster abuse their number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► pick was gonna tell you is that I did you a while back I was the Panasonic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► really tall Panasonic 12 really really fast and people asking what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► of their reviews they do actual product reviews not joke ad products are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► go read their reviews they actually test them they put a million pieces of bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► and all these things my criteria may be different than theirs but I'm not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► the kind testing that doing so please read a review of you really care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► customers that said having used the one they picked as a top pick the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► don't like it I think the UI's weird and I think it's oddly shaped but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► tell us things really fast and really efficiently and does a good job on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► but for my purposes I want to be able to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► four slices of bread in there are a whole tray full of English muffin pizzas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► or something and that it won't fit in the toaster is this not big enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► so it doesn't tell me that you eyes it's crazy with the membrane button and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► the different functions that the Breville interface interface that is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► better but that matters less than them in their rating mostly saying what when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► the bread comes out looking has it tastes and that goes there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► Panasonic coaster toast bread really fast does a good job on it so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► disagree or agree with their ratings I just know what I wanted to my toasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► that's that's what this whole year we've had history views from the Guardian's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► humanity at this is the last one great adjust their idea fantastic idea we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► had a great time and thanks a lot but please no more postings I never did test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► the top pick the top expensive pic like sweet home has like here's our top pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► and they will try to take budget into consideration and they always have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► if you have a little bit more money this one's even better if not better enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► that we think it's worth it but it's a little bit better and I have not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► about to get whatever that toasters I'm actually curious about it maybe if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► thing ever dies by the way I didn't say what a couple of months ago this point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► did finally opened up my brother and adjustable springs and a nice clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► rather which was a real pain man like I could I literally cannot figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► to get this post or part without breaking it looked like he got to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► spring without actually fully disassembling it but I think any one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► those eye-opener things from iFixit like heats up some glue or something together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► but it is there a lot of screws in it is very solidly constructed so I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► lucky I can get through it to the point where I can get to the spring I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► tension goodness how many mysteries reviews you sure you don't want anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► toasters no I just about I think I have like three or four left the ship out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► here and then place they're just too big to send you small object to review are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► slightly included I see what you did there what are the five things in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► forces rather we should probably talk about what went on this week can we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► about the headphone jack business really quickly blew it let's talk about this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► so there are rumors based on a interesting translation from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► japanese Finance Commission notes that the source of this is pretty unreliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► I I think based on the rumor and based on some things that you know that here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► in there and then told here and there it it sure seems like this rumor has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► more credibility than any other random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► you find with poor sources on the internet so the rumor itself has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► credibility really but it is I think we're talking about would Apple do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► the rumor may not like this specific to the room like we think the iPhone seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► which will be the next major iPhone Apple makes is going to have a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► now you know whatever maybe it seems like that the sourcing flat is not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► but we do know for a fact that you can plug compatible headphones into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► lighting for under existing iPhones and they will work as headphones like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► Apple has already added had phone support to the lighting port for iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► and then you can buy you know by these things but you can put a link in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► chain of headphones right now today that have at the end of them instead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► 3.5 millimeter headphone jack have a lightning port and plug them into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► existing iPhone it'll work fine and you have to think why would Apple do that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► it's some point it was at least considering we're going to keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► headphones jack maybe we can have it all the time you know things again dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► maybe we should start thinking about where we're going to do it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► they're gonna make a phone without one ever even but they did do something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► opens the door for this that's why people take these rumors vaguely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► seriously think before i'd like the last time for the iPhone 6 same rumors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► out there because people were hearing about headphones support for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► lightning port and lo and behold that actually exist as a thing and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► right now so that's why I think this is worth entertaining because Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► not both employment and ship something like that it hadn't considered very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► seriously the idea of teaching at some point in the future I mean so the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► headphone port first of all the rumors that they would get home port in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► to make the iPhone a millimeter thinner and and this was this was covered pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► well this week's episode of the talk-show John Gruber in jon boats so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► don't I don't want to go too far as they literally gave an hour to it is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► good so but the short version is that you don't need to ditch the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► jack to get that extra millimeter today because the current generation of iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► Touches still has the headphone jack and is at least that much thinner so it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► don't need to do that now and you could and you could make other gains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► we're getting the point now where making the phone noticeably thinner will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► require dropping things that people tend to like in their phones like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► headphone port and like good cameras so let's see what they do in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► maybe they can make different events will see but right now than this alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► is probably not a good enough reason to yet I don't listen to that episode but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► they talk about the slim down 3.5 jack they didn't I wasn't DiNapoli change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► way it was built and make a special one of the Apple patent which again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► amplicons everything at once I don't think it's basically like a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► headphone jack but with the one side filed down to be flat I just put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► link in the shona and and there is by the way there is also so the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► headphone jack the most people think of as a 3.5 millimeter jack there's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► 2.59 later version that has existed forever also just like all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► ones so there is a smaller version of the standard headphone jack that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► occasionally used on things about a lot of headphones at the headphones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► using the detail has a detachable cable there's a pretty decent chance at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► end of the cable plugs into the ear cup might have that size plug on it a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► them do so those plugs exist they could switch that Indianapolis two millimeter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► which is a pretty big deal at this scale than now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► grad again they don't need to be it although for the for the 2.51 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► one of the reasons that they would stay away from that is I know from having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► kids that it's possible to been 3.5 millimeter one doesn't kid around 2.5 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► YouTube and even easier maybe maybe don't under this but it's getting kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► getting to the point where you don't want that one to be on the babies I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► think I think the 21 five-millimeter is easier to bend the light me and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► know if any maybe this is just me but anyone who has kids who use their iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► devices like that they get to use all the time that are there is go to all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► them and take the kids headphones plug them into the jack and then rotate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► to see if they actually are still straight on access it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► everyone in my kids touch not massively bent bent enough that you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► seriously yeah just wait so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► assume Apple does this what is that so assume they get rid of the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► jack and the only way you can plug headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► you can use headphones with an iPhone is either over Bluetooth or through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► lightning so what does that mean in practice and I've heard I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► have real job but I've heard a lot of people who have real jobs listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► music on their phones for a big chunk of the work day through headphones at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► for whatever reason they either can't or don't want to use music services on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► work computer itself to the plug into the phone and use like a streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► service or the music library on their phone to listen to music at work most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► the time I would expect the phone to be plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► during this process if you do this if you have it so that that jack has gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► away chances are Apple would probably ship a little dongle for between twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► and forty dollars that would basically be a you a lightning to 3.5 millimeter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► headphone adapter and we see how they do these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► chances are it would not have a let me pass through to also charge the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► chances of Serbia one plug thing one player on each end and that would be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► similarly lightning headphones have the same problem relating headphones don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► have a lightning fast report to also simultaneously charge the phone while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► you're listening to the headphones so chances are if they did this you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► no longer listen to the phone while is being charged unless you have any wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► completely and go to Bluetooth well I mean a million third party apps for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► and by the way I see people listening to their phones that work and none of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► have it plugged in so they just like it because it but the screen is often as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► playing audio even if maybe it's like Spotify and screaming stop its not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► bad or maybe people just don't care if Apple didn't build it somebody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► because it would be eminently buildup also I don't I don't think that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► a significant deterrent to doing this and I don't think it would preclude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► people from charging the phone while I was just making sure that they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► consider that the official Apple I always get the name of this wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► the Lightning AV connector whatever it is that we talked about last episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► yeah like my favorite thing the world this thing does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► have a lightning pass through I actually think you're right Marco that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► unlikely that that's the approach Apple would take for this because I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► far more likely that they would just they would assume that listening would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► not be all day long and that you wouldn't need to charges he listened but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► there is a precedent for them doing something with a lightning passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► through the whole reason there's lightning passed through on this cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► is so that you can charge your phone while you're displaying whatever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► whatever you have on the phone on a TV or whatever so that is one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► would be inconvenient or problematic for people if they did this all the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► thing of course is that you can use your headphones even if they ship in adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► even if you don't need to charge to having to have an adapter is annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► that is the main inconveniences but what about all my headphones and I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► to use an adapter and it's just not a nice or whatever and so that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► last time we have discussions with them in the rumors of lightning port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► headphone support for out there saying things like well I don't wanna not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► all my headphones and you know that that's what everybody says anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► report it you know I don't want to lose all my charging cables I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► not be able to use all my talks on a change from thirty headphone port as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► many people went down on Twitter and elsewhere is way older than 30 pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► connector and is not a terrible connector like it's fairly solid part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► you can't put it in the wrong way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► pretty sturdy it's been around by some estimates of being like ninety eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► ninety years depending on how you measure may be over a hundred forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► has minor problem of sorting itself out when you plug it in but you know other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► than that it's ok yeah I thought the best in the world but like with with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► these things like the thing that came to mind to me is VGA ports VGA ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► branded arm around since 1910 fine but there around for a long time and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► had limitations there were obvious especially as we went from analog to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► digital video with DVI connections and HDMI and DisplayPort and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► but we do I was like this video is a standard you want to come from Jake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► actors and what eventually did VGA connectors in was not all the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► just listed which should have been obvious like are you can keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► video you gonna constantly convert analog this terrible and the resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► like we have a digital standards by which those what did we GNE did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► eventually everybody's laptops are too damn small to finish on the side that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► what did this is just a mean you know you can still find a new delhi know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► like they are like exactly the thickness of the VGA port I think even so with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► tops and bottoms of the VGA port where basically there was no plastic above and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► below them they were just you know what I mean like it was there was no like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► thing to shove the VGA port into it was just like they were not cut out the VGA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► port was there so when you plugged in something the plug thing anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► what eventually did in VGA port certainly on the Mac and a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► slim laptops that are out there cuz if you want to release on that top the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► video big so that future is lurking out there probably in you know and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► for smartphones because eventually will be able to get smart phones than enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► that the port will be thicker than the thing now we were there with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► high-quality cameras as market lineup before that the phone is already thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► than the camera and we just make the camera broke out so who's to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► couldn't have a credit card in iPhone fifteen years from now and hanging off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► the edge of it the 3.5 inch thing you know I mean like it would be this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► lump this big silly lump thing but it detract too much from the thinnest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► the phone would still be in a situation where then if you drop your phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► flutter harmlessly to the ground then you would pick up the fact that it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► headphone port poking out of it wouldn't bother anybody I'm not sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► headphone port is raised the level where we're willing to say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► even when our phone is the thickness of a credit card I'll be perfectly fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► with there being a 3.5 inch headphone jack on there of course at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► lightning will also be too thick and thinking about this I think we can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► agree I don't want to make this timescale argument that this man who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► know you guys keep using the phrase business maybe an actual application of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► it because it's like look at part is going to go away eventually just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► yeah the question is is this the year that it goes away in terms of timing say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► you were like the Grand Poobah like when ports go across the industry which Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► move everyone yells at them and says it's too big for doing it then does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► same thing five years later or two years later a one year later he also floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► drives and getting rid of legacy portfolio pieces have been much slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► about that is there to do it would you do it this year with 17 I mean when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► decide that this is the year to do it or would you wait until you have to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► for some reason cuz I agree with Marco that you didn't have to do it for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► reason but would you do it anyway to sort of say we want to get the paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► over with now or would you wait until everything is USB see if I give up of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► lightning in six years I don't know you can look at this and you like to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► there's so many downsides to do in this first of all I I think this would this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► would cause a substantial loss of goodwill that this would be a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► you know look at how many people complain for so long and get so mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► about the switch to lightning at all to have them all so basically make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► everyone's headphones obsolete or make them worse perhaps requiring some dongle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► to be plugged in this would be a really really big problem for their goodwill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► and customer satisfaction and for the presses impression the phone and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► what everyday people while people end up thinking about is thinking about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► how many iPhone buyers you think use headphones are the ones that come with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► the iPhone I mean you can look at beats as a pretty big example of that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► pretty big number I mean I think that the market for aftermarket headphones is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► pretty healthy right now I very rarely see people using using the earbuds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► anymore I'm trying to think of what I see people using NI mostly see people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► using here but you're right that the big headphones the next the next thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► would say is if they're not you but what are they using I would say they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► something like beets were there will be there be to rip off so just large big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► big headphones like that but I don't know there are upsides to this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► people who sell bonds obviously right because even the people who sell year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► but suddenly get to increase their margins because previously they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► selling now hey you broke or lost your the things that they came with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► Apple earbuds you you like your budget like this small you don't want big beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► size things but you lost it broke them and you want to replace me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► on a paper apples by hours which are $3 cheaper than at both but our margins are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► used for good because these earbuds are pieces of crap and they have a lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► part on them so these are made for iPhone iPhone compatible earpods or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► whatever so right that this is a way for Apple to not only sell a very large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► number of high-volume dongles and accessories to add apple headphones but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► it's also a way now for Apple to through the MFI program to take a royalty on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► every headphones sold like that of course let me look you can look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► as you know the the various benefits of this might bring you can look at it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the various down for the my brain all-ages Bluetooth separately as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► different story but you know if you're still staying wired I hate to be cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► about this but I think a realistic way to think about this is would today's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► Apple really today's Apple not what not the Apple that we want to exist but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► actual Apple the does exist today would today's Apple make an already very thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► device even thinner at the expense of usefulness in the real world and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► way that would increase the average selling price of their best selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► product by designing it to basically require higher margin accessories at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► expense of customer satisfaction and goodwill yes of course they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► do this all the time now but it depends on how much customers satisfaction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► good well that's why when I if I keep thinking about this if I was in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► meeting on this at Apple the first thing I would say is you for even discuss had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► fun things we have to decide if we're ever gonna go USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► stick with lining of a regulation has lightning on a ten year plan or is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► not like or are we ever got because lightning and USBC are really similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► the to the point where like lighting was important for Apple to have because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► had it for years before USBC came out right but the USBC is here now so how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► many more years do we give lightning are we committed to lightning is really on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► ten year plan and we're not being considered alternative until ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► but you have to have that discussion first because it's not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► remainder of the head boat party it's Gary the head apart and the place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► you plug it in is this like me and you really don't want to do a thing where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► then we get rid of the headphone port and all the headphones had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► lightning and then a couple years after that we got rid of lightning I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► be USBC or some crap like that that is really bad and the long time line for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► customer satisfaction and you can only absorb certain number of these were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► getting rid of the floppy drive type of revolutions you can't you can't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► them that close together so I think you really have to plan something out and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► think you should plan it because like I said it's going to go away eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► eventually get so then you can have a great choice is about bulges and crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► like that and if anyone's going to get rid of it on their phones is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► gonna be out because that's their thing there was like you know they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► more willing to get rid of it even even today's Apple that sells millions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► millions of these iPhones they are the ones who are going to be more willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► get rid of this you just have to put it on the plan and i right now if if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► plan is not to keep liking for a long long time now is not the time to get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► of 3.5 in sport if they do get rid of the Nigerian make an announcement so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► yeah we're getting her headphones and by the way our current plan to keep lying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► around for at least five or six more years so don't even think about USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► it's not gonna happen your investment in lighting headphones will last you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► several years many years don't feel too bad about it but they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► say that so it'll be sort of an unknown 52 money on right now I would say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► would bet against not strongly against you know 51 49 percent advised but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► would bet against the iPhone seven dropping that one part because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► see a reason for it and I don't feel like now is the time exactly I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► think they will reconsider letting sooner rather than later so I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► can hold out until they reconsider lightning in a couple of years and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► they can get rid of the port is then they actually will probably needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► thickness was but I do think they should do it before they definitely before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► really need to the first time they do it on lobby because they just couldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► it any other way you know because they were just whatever they want to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► things up they want to take the hit when they were going to take a bit set things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► up and then and then by the time they really really need it it's already kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► like lightning like they have to go to lighting for the first phone that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► their wages 30 pin on it it would technically it would have been may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► awkward or whatever but it could have it but he didn't wait until the absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► they did lightning when it looks very small in the end of the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► telephones it slowly shrinking down around it and I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► they'll do with the headphones replacement yeah I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► and i also I i think you know this is absolutely the kind of thing Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► do all the downsides be damned they would definitely do it because it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► things dinner even though we don't need them to be but it makes things dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► and it makes them more money so they would absolutely do it but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► they're going to do this year I don't think they need to yet and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► it makes sense yeah I don't think it's gonna happen either but personally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► wouldn't be that bothered by it I almost never use bluetooth headphones with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► phone but I might be the only person on the planet that isn't particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► bothered by bluetooth headphones I use bluetooth headphones at work all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► every day and they're connected to my Mac iPhone they are very cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► headphones I think they were $25 in the air when I bought them literally four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► years ago from the battery lasts at least today if not a couple of days the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► latency yeah if I hit pause it doesn't pause instantly but there's no latency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► when I watch videos there's none of the quarter I don't feel any of the crimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► that so many people seem to feel they usually to that forms so if that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► if if bluetooth is our future Bluetooth only as our future some silly dongle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► don't think that such a terrible future I think the that Apple will get in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► generated in their customers that but I don't think it's a terrible future we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► been as Mac users which is different but as Mac users laptop users we've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► stupid display dongles forever very overdone overjoyed that this new MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► Pro that I have an HDMI port but generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► yeah we've had to use silly dongles all the time if yer one who uses most iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► battery packs most of the ones I've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► there's something in the way the headphone port so if your headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► is any bigger than the headphone port like those the ones that I've bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► always include a one or two inch little extension so you can clear the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► case and then plug in your headphones a little extension like none of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2934">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► again I just if bluetooth is our future I don't forget such a bad thing sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► mark oh well it's not it's kinda like the movies to watch it's like here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► something else that is more expensive than what it might have replaced based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► on a lot of software and flaky standards so it's a little bit unreliable there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► some lag involved in common actions and it's one more thing that needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► charged and put on trade cycle and I i think we are you know we have so many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► these things in the world and I i say this as a user of the phone and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► watch and Bluetooth headphones most of the time when I'm using my phone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► audio playback most of the time using bluetooth headphones to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► APX 210 bTW which are amazing headphones made anymore but the m400 axes baseless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► and think I love this adventure podcast but they're flaky they need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► charged it is kind of annoying so in many ways a step forward but like forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► touch it's it's a step forward but also kind of a step sideways in this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► worse in some ways more complicated you know if Apple released us a blue tooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► head set of headphones that charges via lightning similar to the Apple pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► the Lightning would that make it easier on all of us was gonna say regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► people but it would make it easier on me to you know what that make it easier on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► all of us if you could get a couple hours worth of listening off of a five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► the charging is is one downside of many you know it's the unreliability the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► extra battery powered the phone needs to send the signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► makes the phone battery life whereas I mean there's there's a lot of little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► downside to the end and the reason I use it it because it is really convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► and these headphones sound like complete garbage and most Bluetooth headphones I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► have heard sound either mediocre to bad and I don't think a lot of people say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► a bluetooth is a bad sending protocol it is but most of these sound problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► people have a bluetooth headphones or because the heavens themselves are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► mediocre like the drivers for the Dell design headphones mediocre they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► sound bad because usually you can plug a man with a cable and you can hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► sound just as bad over cable but you know it's not all bad and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► ultimately enough people are going to be using bluetooth headphones often enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► over time that when they do finally killed 3.5 inch jack which which I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► think it's anything but when they finally do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► a big portion of people won't be affected at all because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► already moving the Bluetooth but we're not there yet and it isn't all good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► teams involving two of the different versions of the standards are you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► eventually but I'm you know it in many more years it will still be Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► but partly due to the name only and will maybe use different signaling and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► know different frequencies and different you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► compression strategies or whatever like that it will and hopefully this tax that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► they will be more reliable that will will have evolved to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► threshold of flaking you know I think but it has been getting better so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► terms of power consumption Bluetooth I'm getting better so doesn't drain your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► battery is much we got the Bluetooth 4.0 whatever things this all these ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► take less major and you from your phone and I soon take a little bit less energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► for ear headphones or maybe they just passive receivers but anyway what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► always think about is due to their butts because I hate having court date quartz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► getting tangled up and stuff you know it would just be much more convenient if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► guess that my phone in my pocket and what I want is your butts because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► don't think the podcast I don't care about your bugs in my years and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► would probably lose them so that they can maybe they could be a magnetic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► stick to the bank on inductive charger not using them like that is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► wireless future but I think Apple ditch the headphone port before wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► are as good as we would all like them to be like I guess what is that threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► is it like wifi wifi wifi above the threshold of flakiness wifi is way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► reliable and Bluetooth it still conflicted with some people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► maybe just you know I don't know what the obviously this signal strength where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► you're in so we require your house and you have played in your walls and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► know tough luck but for places where you get good signal but you are losing life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► by that I'm here many stories about certainly doesn't happen on Mac so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► it does like the two big deal now become the new version of OS 10 screws up wifi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► like we demanded to be reliable like if I can get a signal and I have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► bars I'm a little display I want that connection to stay up and if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► something is terribly wrong out of class action lawsuit against it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► a Bluetooth you wouldn't even notice right through to the end and I said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► my in my crappy car when I get in I just have to wait to see first off I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► have the source said to Bluetooth like the sources said something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► Bluetooth doesn't even appear in the list of sources for a while so I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► listen to AM or FM or iPod or something else while I wait I can't turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► system off because that will not you know initiate the process of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► Bluetooth setup so I have to wait until Bluetooth appears the source and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► selected because that's that's just your car and a Bluetooth this already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► selected table it is I haven't changed a selection I get in the car start the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► engine it's a long time before I hear anything coming out of their way anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► I don't know what he's doing is it booting up is it trying to find my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► usually it finds it may be 99% of the time it finds it after five or six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► seconds sometimes it doesn't find it and I have to go to like you know to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► your devices and it's already chosen already being connected but going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► through that thing on the menu makes it can anyway like I said yeah bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► with his way to flaking now and it was messed up in some way I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► notice you say that but what do you use to ask you this most people however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► probably use a Bluetooth keyboard and/or Bluetooth pointing device for any sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► of Mac that lives on a desk for any amount of time yes I know there's a crud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► I know that most people probably use the on-board pointing devices and keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► but for those that have you know an iMac those are almost certainly going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► Bluetooth so they really hosed up a Bluetooth stack on the west and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► we'd know and I think we know it pretty quick but I've had this been the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► reliable wireless accessories in our house that I found to be more reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► than the stuff like say the magic trackpad which I have now and mine on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► Magic Trackpad but also had and I all due to habitat with my iPad which does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► not in any way is the Logitech thing with the crazy little USB plug in ORF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► dongle thing not blew through the Twitter lot of texts proprietary thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► is that silly proprietary thing the batteries last for ever and it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► works and there are no drivers to install and so I always think Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► why can't you be able to stabilize attack dongle but what is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► doing is it shorter range that just because it's not that whenever the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► there's doing you do that because it always works it never doesn't work it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► very frustrating I understand this probably take relation to get a protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► that can do stuff like audio and it's not just you know something about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► actions but lie detector that when they were doing the product on psycho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► bluetooth is the next big thing you should really get on Bluetooth and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► sure a lot of it does make Bluetooth mice but whoever said you know what no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► realistic with this stupid animals they were kind of right because those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► always work I hate the stupid might be here again I don't mind Bluetooth if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► Apple does kill the headphone jack and the next iPhone or in a iPhone do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► include some sort of dongle adapter II thing in the box or do they include some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► sort of like Bluetooth earbuds sort of thing I think they would include some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► sort of Bluetooth earbuds sort of thing but what do you think Marco I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► neither do you really think so he's the pessimist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► look this is today's Apple let's be realistic here this is this is away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► them then from there making the 40 bucks on every sale there is no way that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► included in the box no way I say they would there's no way they include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► Bluetooth headphones his that is an upsell that is an optional accessories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► are you not getting bluetooth headphones eventually will become so pervasive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► known as the concept of plugging in a mouse or keyboard or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► eventually then maybe you put it in the first version no but I think they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► include the adapter for the same reason that they felt bad included the MagSafe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► 12 to adapt their in boxes for your products for a long time I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► would include the different five injured after because what the person that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► long time ago I know but for the first one I feel like they're gonna wanna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► something to stem the tide of angry people who use headphones don't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► anymore so I think and and because that adapter would probably be super cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and passive they're put it in the box by now will probably go live long enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► find out this this one is not infinite time scale I would not bet heavily on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► thing that they're going through the day after his right now that would totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► be an apple thing to do but it's just such an easy thing to do to really help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► with the initial impact of the initial anger over breaking peoples headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► that it's so small and so cheap like the little MagSafe 122 it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► situation like we're breaking peoples things in fact that but the MagSafe want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► to do that there was more expensive to manufacture than the Lightning to 3.5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► so part of part of the rumor on this site was that it would the translation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► was kind of weird saying like it would be a special new lightning port that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► would allow passed through audio cassette thing is you can't just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► the digital lightning signal and have a passive attached images move spins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► around and wires that and suddenly becomes an amplified analog signal that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► they first had one so the reports seem to suggest that what it would do and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► that if you plug in these things we special new things in the special new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► portable devices that it would still be using the deck and amp in the phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► that it would it would be able to route those over the lightning port only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► this new phone that would then allow a relatively passive device on to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► headphones out about you can't have you can't have an adapter if you don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► that well you could unless you have a chip in the adapter like this debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► thing with that with the processor in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► yet no I think that's a that's alternative his alternative would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► that the adapter and actually have a little USB DAC anything right in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► which would which is totally possible but they would not do that because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► mean just just think of the Lightning connector the chip in the things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► this only so small you can make anything that involves the chips and then you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► this big stiff than poking out of the bottom of your phone is not good like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► that is it does not gonna happen I don't think they will ever ship a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► that's like right so it is also the in the third option here which is way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► sensible and likely than then shipping adapters in the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► the way more likely explanation here is that they would just they would wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► that the port in that way so that lighting devices made in this lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► audio headphones made in this way would work only on the port on the new devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► made for this they wouldn't care and they would just give a version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► earpods the ship now I just has a lightning flooding and include that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► the box but of course that's a that's what they should the phone with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► course but I think it would also come with the adapter for your old do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► have a pair of Beats thats 3.5 you're going to get the thing that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► come with plain old passive earpods with lightning connector and yes of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► they're not gonna be Bluetooth and it'll also come I think with a little time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► passive adapter and that's the part I don't think they would do that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► know that they would charge at least 20 bucks marriage on about the USB 3 speeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► on the iPad pro remember that yeah and they were one of the things that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► like showing the internals of the port looks like and I think that tear down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► something like two extra contacts for the lightning port and it was a sexual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► context to get the USB 3 speeds because USB 3 connector has more contacts then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► the lighting port has contacts that's why I talked about that the blog you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► don't need even though the usb3 thing has all the parts you need them lining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► because usb3 has dedicated port three centuries even USB two speeds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► lightning wouldn't need that because it can repurpose the pins because like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► dad part of whatever context for may be there for passive audio stuff or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► something like that like the idea that you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► that you can find a way to leave without changing the physical sort of shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► size of the lightning port find a way to make that passive adapter that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► just plug in 3.5 millimeter headphone jack into without a chip or any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► Dec and there it's still just a fully analog coming out that something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► could be done but it but again I don't know even that everything like really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► want to this now or do you want to I don't know what the solution is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► long-term to make it then everything about USBC species not gonna head pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► throughout body only time so maybe that's like the advantage of lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► real lightning will stick around for a long time because applicant do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► like this without consulting anybody else and without worrying about why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► wouldn't I wouldn't assume that lightning is going away in favor of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► it's BC on on the devices have lining anytime soon in fact as we see Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► used a 10-2 more devices you know the Apple could have made things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► smart trackpad and keyboard and everything they could have made those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► charge over USB see and they didn't they made in Treasury lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► those all those all the peripheral the in the the new input devices my new iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► the PC part of the Dragon if we allow but I'm USBC but yeah well they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► have new cable but I I think the reason here is your Apple AAPL is very is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► to interface with peripherals from the rest of the world but they when it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3775">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► to their own devices and their own devices like the end of the pledge their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► support they're very happy to support learning because it is theirs and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► that not only does it have more abilities and USB see that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► useful to Apple but again they're making less than one in each one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► things in their control in the the standard and everything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► everything Apple wants its control plus money plus smallness I mean that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► that's you know that is everything they want so they're not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► enlightening anytime soon I I think they would skip USBC entirely for the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► things like iPhones and because you know it's it's not really any smaller than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► lightning is it i mean it were not meaningfully so I'm guessing that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► phone has lightning longer than USBC would be the thing it would move to I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► still I'm still hoping that my next to shape the Mac Pro will have a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► the back of it ton of little parts look like USBC better late than about 30 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► think I'm sad love that and I think that's most likely the case although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► unfortunately that pushes out like next June I think but I am nothing if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3842">TS</a>]
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01:06:39 ◼ ► what most people do respond but I would've done if I was Apple but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► actually see the evolution of Swift overtime which is crazy to me I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► even know where to go from here but I feel like John after your copeland 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4009">TS</a>]
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01:06:58 ◼ ► open source with how do you open source of programming I was in a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4018">TS</a>]
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01:07:16 ◼ ► already open source but this quest compiler and the Swiss standard library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4036">TS</a>]
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01:08:21 ◼ ► he was talking about in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4101">TS</a>]
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01:08:29 ◼ ► core OS that underneath us 10 and iOS has been open source from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4109">TS</a>]
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01:09:05 ◼ ► after the OS was already out sometimes it would be the gap would be that small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4145">TS</a>]
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01:09:18 ◼ ► time out becomes along those floppy ears 10.4 plop here's 10.5 and they were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4158">TS</a>]
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01:09:26 ◼ ► committee history of all the components of Darwin over their entire development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► you just get these these dumps and it wasn't as assayed developed in the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4171">TS</a>]
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01:09:55 ◼ ► you know wasn't strictly an Apple product was developed kind of out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► open but they would do the same thing with it would be like internally Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4199">TS</a>]
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01:10:06 ◼ ► that work out in the open at some point they're gonna plop down to a big commit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► to the latest version of WebKit and that's been getting better with WebKit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4210">TS</a>]
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01:10:33 ◼ ► and see who did what and look at the commit history and who did it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4233">TS</a>]
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01:11:30 ◼ ► public bug tracker where you're seeing future development happening in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4290">TS</a>]
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01:11:59 ◼ ► potentially their plans for iPhone hardware and have you guys heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4319">TS</a>]
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01:12:06 ◼ ► really impressive in this is very on Apple like and it was funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4326">TS</a>]
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01:12:22 ◼ ► they had him on their podcast granted Schiller did go on the talk show but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► don't typically hear these sorts of things happening with Apple in this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► very open way of doing open source which is just really impressive market been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4353">TS</a>]
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01:12:46 ◼ ► does that are hostile to to either customers are developers in reality this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► is a really big move this is a good move and this is this is way more open about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► this stuff than they than I expected for sure way more open than they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► probably needs to be and there's a number of things about this is gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4379">TS</a>]
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01:13:18 ◼ ► enthusiasm about this because I thought was gonna be more like how drama same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4398">TS</a>]
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01:14:08 ◼ ► decent amount but I don't think I liked it enough to build a whole new web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► in order to port the hold up I had to I don't I don't plan to do that and swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► is not my perfect ideal language but it's pretty good looks pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► and i know im gonna have to learn it and I want to keep being an Apple platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► developer for ten years from now I'm going to have to learn swift and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► going to do it some point and so it would be nice if I could just learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► swift and have that also work on the web for my future web needs and then I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► finally stop using PHP and start a new Swift everywhere I really get a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► deep mastering of this one language and and be able to share code between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► share my own utility libraries etcetera its share application level could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► some of the data layer stuff I would love that that didn't like it was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► happen before because I was assuming that the open sourcing of Swift would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► you know similar to to the old way just dumping things and and they didn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► anything about open sourcing foundation or any of the API's and so we we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► mess up and threw just assumed that the only part that would be open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► should be the core of a language with the handful of built-in types it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► their be effectively no libraries and that wouldn't be very useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► will be able to step in to try to make their own standard libraries and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► get themselves established as these dinner library and we're gonna mess like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► JavaScript frameworks on this but what has actually happened there outlining a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► plan to actually convert foundation to swift and open source it included in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► this in this package so and I'm sure you know not every API is gonna be available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► in this open source way but what this does is this gives people a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► actually build say a web app that runs a web app back into that runs and swift on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► a Linux server and also runs on iOS where they could actually share a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► meaningful amount of underlying code and libraries and that is really cool that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► was not expecting at all and I'm really happy to see that cuz now that makes us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► interesting that makes this beyond just like an academic curiosity of around me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► get you know Darwin running on Linux server know this is like actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► potentially useful in the real world and no thats a Darwin you know like we knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► announced that it every year you see right we knew they would do Linux but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► didn't know that there be a library's beyond the built-in swift types right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► well so that when they said they were going to like that was the other you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► know in between the slides and they said they were gonna open source in this live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► when they put the world on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► what I was thinking was a reasonable fear is like no matter what you do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► open source and that's well and good but they're gonna open source basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► swift so you can run it on IMAX 10 because there are always those ties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4614">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► those things like oh well if you have a Mac you can do it but it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► using the service nobody is a snack servers so it's a shame that even those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► of us will be open source it's going to be up to the community to figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► the hell to get it to work on Linux and two slides later it's like a Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► Apple's doing that part why would Apple to that Park well Apple has service to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► write and they're probably not running at least at this point gotta help them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► they have server side stuff and why would Apple wastes time doing a Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► port and believe me they would not do it at the goodness of their hardness ac3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► portable look we didn't expire right they're doing it and doing it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► themselves and they eventually basically have the same needs Marco it is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► it's great to meet you run swift the server but we want to share any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► significant amount of code between our client in are certainly great to at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► least a foundation like me and they would be nice I suppose they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► bring the Objective C runtime 22 Linux as well if it's not already there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► with a church chose to do instead which is i think is the most exciting thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► knew that have something like this to be able to run a nice because why the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► else would I will be the Apple wants to use at the same time are going to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► for only on a much larger scale right but what they did was take the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► Rovers like we're not gonna use the Objective C runtime on Linux and let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► use Linux with foundation on Linux you know CoreFoundation in C and foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► in Objective C and I could have done that and it would have worked line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► instead there they have not done this yet but they're undertaking effort to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► port foundation just left and they're doing it you know you can look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► source repository and see like all the MPI implementations word like not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► implemented but the you know the function is there this is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► products they're doing and I don't know what kind of schedule it's on me maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► they were saying but like 3.0 they would have the whole thing ported to whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► so it's still going to confound asian street see underneath the covers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► was already portable for the most part of a nationwide or whatever had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► open source and then on top of that they're gonna go from from that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► swift all the way up so anything that used to be in foundation was objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► see their reinventing in swift still a little bit confused about how they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► gonna do with string vs NSString and by the way that the exciting thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► their founding dropping the NSP fix foundations that they're taking this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► opportunity this recommendation and swift to drop all the NSE's which for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► people who don't know how goes it was Google this earlier to see when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► address was added because it believed was added at some point in the next but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► honest answer next step and so these new Mac developers have no idea what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► next is programming this for months and going through tutorials I'm never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► to make any sense I get very hot that means next step but it's only fair to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► there and now the perfect opportunity to remove it so then how the hell do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► distinguish between swift that string and formerly NSString which I guess we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► just become string I mean you can understand your name spacing like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► would be distinguishable but I know they're like you know bridge to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► other like 20 cause bridge you know rain and a serrated behind the scenes stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► but it's potentially confusing so I can I using pierced with with strings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► made using swift with foundation in swift with swift used to be any strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► that are actually strings anyway I'm sure that working out but the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► line is there clearly not taking the easy road here they're leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► Objective C runtime behind brazilian lines of code and that will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► maintained that enhance for the future obviously but the foundation literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► the foundation of their their programming language stack is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► be written and swept the SI core foundation and then it's gonna be swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► foundation and then switch standard library in all this messed up on puppet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► so this is very exciting and it's exciting not only do they saying they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► doing this is done yet this is nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► the old Apple would not even announced that they're doing this until the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► WTC they're telling you that they're doing it even though it's not done you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► can see how far they've got it and like I said they tell you what this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► to be quick to point to the tell you can three-point know they have a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► whereby you can propose things to be in swift 3.1 or 4.0 and get accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► incorporated you can submit patches and everything its actual open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► development yeah it's really cool and this makes me interested in learning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► language at some point soon I'm starting to jump on it like today or next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► don't don't don't spend too much time learning the plus + and minus minus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► operate yeah but end and one thing that I probably will wait for his is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► they mentioned that they are not talking about like that the goals for the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► 3.0 release that will be in late 2016 which is in a year from now but they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► they're not going to address concurrency primitives and Larry and concurrency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► built-ins and language until after three point I think I do wanna wait to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► master the language until the concurrency stories worked out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► that's pretty important you have an excuse to a nice thing to really master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► I didn't settle to start learning how to restore using it but I i do want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► how it shakes out because that's kind of important in the modern environment i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► mean that's you know that's why go is going to be better for your server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► things goes already like you using this features and go and they really handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► and what they're saying is for now this is a LibraryThing usually dispatch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► now it's not terrible you're already familiar with it from using it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► available in its open source itself right yeah I mean there was this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► for now before we address in the language libraries are the answers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► use P threads usually dispatches whatever the hell you want to use it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► library problem not a language problem but go go decided that it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► not to be part of the language to make stuff easier so it's gonna be there when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► you mention like oh you know right like riding a server-side web framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► equivalent to your PHP one or even equivalent to the simple service you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► doing and go there's a lot of library work that if Apple has done it we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► seeing it yet and so it's up to the community to actually do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► yeah so an under the radar number to you and underscore talked about basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4974">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► need we'll get there when we get there and now it sounds like your kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► rethinking what makes it open source make it so much more appealing to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► because you're not you're not about to be contributing to pull requests or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► anything like that so why don't know so why does it being open source suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► change your opinion because now now mastering swift now has more value to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► because now there's a chance I can use it on the server side as well and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► there's there's now a roadmap insight where that is looking likely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► plausible and and potentially very good so that's a big reason now it isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► 00 just learn how to do everything I've already been doing the same platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► with no possible other impact besides just you know that the language of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► building benefit which I don't care that strongly about yet now it's also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► know I I need to learn a better website language I really do I am constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► hitting PHD's limits and I'm constantly running into problems with it whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► do new development and it's not that I you know it's not the you know PHP is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► constantly pressuring but it seems on shaky ground that you have expressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► before that I I just don't see why why I like that that I don't really believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► that that is leadership is taking it in good directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► has but you know it starts to affect me anyway so i i i want to get off PHP is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► sooner rather than later but I also don't think is the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► necessarily like it's it's good enough for now but I'm still looking for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► better overall web language to switch to I don't think it's gonna be I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► think there's going to be it for this to potentially step in that role then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► gives me a really big reason to learn swift not to mention the code sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► benefits you know if I can have if I can have like the model layers shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► between like say overcast and its Web Component stuff there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► benefits to having that kind of code sharing potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► and III even simple things like right now the main reason why the overcast web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► interface does not have playlists is because I don't want to have to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► code that the playlist used to order themselves which is a very complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► piece of your C code I don't report that to PHP because I'm I it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► massive amount of work to get a right answer to be buggy I don't want it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► worth it if there's there's opportunities like that were like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► could say the same thing on both sides that would that would be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► easily solve problem so you know I'm looking forward to to a future where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► can just master one that's my style my style is not to learn 16 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► languages and and to have a shallow person each of them might my style is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► really master one thing and use it for ever use it until after making fun of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► for using it and then finally switch so that's why that's how it got me here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► I think I would love for swift to be the next language to do that with and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► now showed me that that has a good chance of being possible as you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► your own web remarking swift because there won't be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► well it probably will be one pretty soon but yeah there if they are there already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► a couple but I know right now based on the new foundation based on all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► stuff like that that wasn't part of Apple's App Store stop by the way here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► what we're using our services with because Apple surely using several sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► where and how they're incorporating and I'm not sure but there is no equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► to you know whatever your favorite web even equivalent I don't think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► even a simple server port listening stuff that's in the gold standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► libraries is there no that's what I mean is is this is the networking stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► you've imported yet just never were you want some of that you need something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► like over teens are an event driven luper you need something to handle you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► request there once you know there's there's an opportunity for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► want to do something potentially you know dramatic and something that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► big footprint of affect the first person to make a really good web framework in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► suicide swift will have the attention of everybody who's in the same situation as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► Marco just got an iOS app and I would love to be able to share the faceless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► components between the server and the client I don't wanna have to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► all the crap about running after listening to depart dispatching based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► URL since I want a fairly simple but reliable fast framework to do that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► me if someone makes one I would use it cuz you just want to plug in your model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► code you don't want to deal with like request routing and parsing HTTP headers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► and crap like that you know you ideally that's that should all be handled by any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► modern framework like I there's no there's no reason for doing that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► manually anymore I mean and standard library handle it and go as their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► library functions and things like that but stressed that the gap and so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► more points it would probably continue this topic and future shows when i doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► but and the topic of Apple being more open craig Venter et who like the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► of all software and Apple at a notice title is he is making the rounds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► websites is interviewed at Ars Technica I think he talked to the next Weber a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► bunch of other websites I read reviews where craig Venter you talked to a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► of websites about this with open source project when has that happened it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► definitely in new Apple thing like that they send out one of their guys to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► the rounds of the relatively speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► you know dinky little websites I can you know you'd see Steve Jobs go on CNN or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► something and talk to the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► that's it but now he is talking to the second tier websites in the tech press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► yeah CNN doesn't want to hear about open source with basically but no this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► this great yeah I think this is a great meeting you know he's going to be saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► the same things every different website or whatever but but it is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► it just makes you feel better the like ya see what you can do apple just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► regular PR in some ways Apple was I was also named as interesting and special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► regular PR like every other company anything they do they think is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► remotely important like a proud though child see what I made see looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► refrigerator right and Apple would just be like we say nothing we talk to you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► everything else we do maybe the press release on our site and I talked to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► just reblog our press release like or don't we don't care like whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► now they're actually saying hey we've got Craig here you wanna talk to me want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► to talk to you about open source with like to to the tech websites and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► that's just weird and I think that the weather's don't even know how to handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► it like a lot of these websites are not accustomed to interviewing and executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► and then writing an article based on that interview with Apple executives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► because it's like so do I just transcribe exactly what they said even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► though their sentence doesn't quite make sense or do I cleaned up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► but then will they be afraid I misquoting them and it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► awkward it's like I didn't think you'd actually show up is this really you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/5395">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► he'd like let's talk about swift 45 minutes and then I'll write something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► about this is totally weird so it definitely it definitely feels weird I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► mean it would be weird it was you know Chris Lattner talking to everybody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► hurry to make sense is that a loss of her department and he's gonna tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► why Apple is open soaring swift and that's a good idea so put a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► article but you can see a bunch of other things around and this is definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► must I guess is the appropriate Cold War metaphor for this so I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► exciting and I hope to see more of that like you know do it every time every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3630">TS</a>]
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01:01:51 ◼ ► new blade every time and really this is this is ridiculous for most of shaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3711">TS</a>]
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01:02:41 ◼ ► more thing to add about quest for this show we're going to talk more about open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► source with an ex I'm sure cuz we just put a dividing line the notes about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► with one thing we forgot to mention is what licenses this one open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► licenses and it is the Apache 2.0 License with a special exception to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► require you to open source stuff that you build into like a single library or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► something that happens to start to pull in some of the swift flight runtime that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► saying that you don't have to open source that when it's ok that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► by and with the swift standard library whatever doesn't mean that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► something open source for all applications so it's a very permissive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► license its not ppl because both commercial company and they would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► do DPL because it is intentionally viral and Apple doesn't like the virality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► that particular of the constraints and forced by the GPL so I think for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► most part no one is surprised by the license and for the most part the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► expected to be happy about an expected people are unhappy about it there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► fun this is actually the Commission briefly is it a thing with a lot of open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► source projects where where you put the source code is it necessarily the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► place where you want people to file a bug so get up like many places that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► can put source code for also has what they called issue tracker which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► basically a bug tracker but Apple of course has its own boat recalled radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► and swift does not use the issue tracker on github it has its own website like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► bugs that's without org and I think that's where they want you to file the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► bugs unless they want you to follow our radar it's a little bit confusing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► starts with argan eventually be led to the right place but the bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► on github you can't I think at issues but you can issue pull request someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► immediately made upon request to change the license like GPL or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► a million people told the thread with animated gifs and stuff so I will put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► that one commissioned as well as well so you can enjoy looking at that the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► strolling pull request I get help for swift and of course this License which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► far as I'm concerned I don't care about I think that the caller ID license their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► percent it's fine but other people do care about it and so there you have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► any other thoughts before next week we're just gonna say we're just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► hold ya gonna hold more more to talk about him I probably got more in depth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► in the same topics for geeks and hopefully by next week we'll know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► record this we only have something like four hours we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► alright overall good week we still have a headphone jack and swift had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► good stuff so I'm happy thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► areas were Parker and cards against humanity and we will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► or hear you next week or speech just keep saying that the same way you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► been saying it works fine you will hear us next week not this terrible what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► say and we will see you next week you had a thing you think people need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► repetition of familiar phrases and beats in the story structure that is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► podcast to feel at home don't mess with it and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental john Kasay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/3946">TS</a>]
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01:07:13 ◼ ► stories and she started wanting to write one by typing instead of their riding on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4033">TS</a>]
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01:07:27 ◼ ► the latest version of pages she also got it on her iPad with the latest version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4047">TS</a>]
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01:07:56 ◼ ► doing anything fancy here could have maybe use text ended its amenities pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4076">TS</a>]
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01:08:23 ◼ ► is a thing you have to do why do you have to just go through the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► and I said she doesn't I didn't go into the open saved I just like look I bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► it to the right place I'm so it's safe to say you have to do by heading to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► Manchester liking this command every once in a while but to initially start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► will give the thing a name and I will put it in iCloud drive right but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► will you know I picked up a lot better now she says and she's typing on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► works fine for like a day or two then at some point I said you know like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► you need to get kicked off the computer kicked out of something like what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► can continue writing this on your iPad and she's not surprised about or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► impressed by the way she was like alright fine and then I loading pages up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► on her iPad tried to open the document that she had just been editing on Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► and it wouldn't open and so what is it simply it looks like the document is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► being modified or something like it complained cuz I still have it open on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► the Mac that's messed up but fine whatever I'll close it on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► open and on the iPad and eventually open the iPad and you start typing stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► of course there's no you know like saving action going on there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► which was done with that included it was gone and then she came back to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► and said I want to the american now and we went to open pages and open the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► document and it gives $1 boxes like this document can be open right now I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► it's also because it's being modified from those with health message bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► line was you couldn't open double clicking it didn't work opening it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► the application didn't work then I tried to open the iPad also wouldn't open on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► the iPad I'm not asking the world view this is Apple hardware Apple software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► latest version latest version of application latest version of the OS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► just wanted the same document in two different places and now i cant open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► anywhere and my daughter is upset justifiably so because previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► everything was fine I was riding on my Mac and because dad wanted to say even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► though you can write on your iPad now i cant open in anywhere and maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► gone and so I have to fix this problem by figuring out what the deal is like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► tried everything you can imagine eventually I tried copying the documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► out of the iCloud thing and like opening it and pulling out the tax thing copying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► and pasting into new text document and i said i call someone try Club Dr screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► this I'm putting it in Dropbox so I could drive was cut out of the equation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► I put them in Dropbox now I'm terrified to even try to open it on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► because that may and opposing think I thought I was in the clear I might say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► the new Dropbox she doesn't know where it saves about $7 said I told you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► use on the iPad in a market that doesn't work that crap doesn't work and I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► move out of my car driver loses a total failure of the most simple thing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► possibly do a single person having a single document in iCloud drive on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► know everything perfect and just just abject total failure like not even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► didn't work it didn't sink or whatever just you could you could open document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► it all then she decided to write a new story and so I should have to make a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► and she was typing for a while and I came in and once again she had not saved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► for you know twenty minutes and is that all you have to say that right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► want to say it and it you know I'm saving in Dropbox now instead of a drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► so it's a if you ask me for filename has never been given a name before I type in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► a name for it hit the Save button says untitled cannot be read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► popping back didn't save a try-saving end I say that as you know saving in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► different location not in Dropbox unrealistic says untitled cannot be read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► group send him back to document I'm like are you serious now I made a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► document I can't even save it to the local filesystem this is just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► brokenness thing I've ever seen in my life like seriously you know me I E max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► I just wanna make a text document and save it to the local disk I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► what was wrong at this point I don't even care like I feel like burning pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► to the ground and just never looking at it again I don't know what the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► is like it because the new document was automatically made an iCloud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► something opposed by the way the ghost of the old document that was an iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► is still there at like this half packaging that I can't do it because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► 37 in the Finder some crap like that so maybe I'm just entirely hoster I Club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► Drive and because when you make a new document also say that I club the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► fact of me trying to save it to local disk has to read the document my club I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► could drive on what you read about things in use I really horrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► complete failure of the most simple thing you could possibly do with pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► which is make a text document and adjust it just boggles my mind and I just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► what would regular people do like they would never try pages again I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► will never try pages again she kinda knows how to use pages and knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► change the font and stuff so I'm afraid to switch out of that until i text that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► but unlike maybe just under two microsoft word 2003 and be able to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► documents and Google Docs or crowd I know Google Docs will work we use it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► edit this document and at no time are we all not able to open this document in no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► time are not able to save it like Apple what is going on I don't I don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► and still as I sit here right now in her I Club Drive is the ghost of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► ancient pages file paxon that I literally cannot delete from the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► I don't know one of the most depressing experiences I've had that will serve as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► I software in two years but saying a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► series of those like I i cant can you think of some obviously did also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► worth of data loss and it wouldn't be allowed to date someone wasn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► didn't realize that you can you know select all copy and paste into a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► thing you know find your way out of it but for a brief period of time I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► open up her original Pages document anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► couldn't open in any Mac can open any iOS device every time he tried to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► it would give you an error and it was the only copy of the file that we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► you learned a lesson that I'm slowly learning over the last couple of months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► which is that I think for maximum happiness is is best to keep a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► bit more distance from Apple stuff than what we've been keeping and you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► me like that you know I'm rethinking my use of photos I'm rethinking my use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► any kind of iCloud backend stuff rethinking whether even wanna keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► wearing the Apple watch there's a lot of things were like you know Apple right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► now they're so big they're doing so much stuff they're spread so thin so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► Apple's stuff is in this 1.0 or beta state recently with no end in sight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► it seemed like the direction the company is going is towards being even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► spread thin can be having even more like 1.0 have finished products it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► important for for people like us who do care about you know our our computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► life happiness are stability or data integrity I i think it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► forces are realizing like you know going all-in and Apple is not happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► anymore and it's best to keep some distance and you know maybe have a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► and iPhone but you know not every iPad plus the Apple TV + every phone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► year plus the Apple watch plus being other news services at music and photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► photo library cloud all sorts of you know maybe not having everything I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► you for me mostly what I have already known as long as its stick to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► products that are really important Apple photos is way more important the pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► and it shows I feel like right and things like i cud drive where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► already an alternative that I'll that I've been using the words to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► Dropbox right don't switch da club Dr just because it's apples thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► you already have Dropbox injury does that like it's the same reason I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► pretty much no matter what Apple does without application and iCloud mail I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► would never switch from Gmail Gmail starts being unsatisfactory to me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► now that's the whole thing is like just because Apple makes a version of a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► that you already have been like don't switch to it because you think the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► thing is going to be better right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► only switch when you are dissatisfied with the thing that you have some not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► dissatisfied with Dropbox so I mean I did it for my daughter is giving her a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► difference like I'm thinking a different standard her like she has nothing now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► maybe if she just starts off as an iCloud person right from day one and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► all our stuff and I could drive maybe work out fine for I already have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► know investment in Dropbox my stuff in Dropbox my habits formed in Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► Dropbox third party company could get acquired by someone could go out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► business from a kid that they like you just start straight up apple and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► just have you know one account and everything's on your Apple idea but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► won't that be simpler for you it's less for me to explain like it's bad enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► that my mother still insist on having to email addresses the pain it caused me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► just tremendous amount of pain one is for spam and honestly I've kind of done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► that with my kids too because I don't trust because I'm so distrustful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► Apple Mail I gave them both Gmail accounts as well so they have and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► know it could be conducive to them if that was their revealed the confusion by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► just hit the Apple Mail app on their iOS devices just see the gmail icon is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► they get there but for this that I made a different choice then it would offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► myself basically cuz I would never done it before them I decided to do it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► was a mistake so I really need to trust my instincts more on if it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► really important to Apple it has a much higher chance then if it's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► sometimes I think it's maybe a healthy way to look at this would be in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► in the last ten years so we we keep going more and more towards integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► and and and these these you know an increasingly smaller number of companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► at each increasingly offer a larger number of services and products that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► people are expected to come to go all in one company for oh you're all in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► Apple ecosystem are you all the Google ecosystem or whatever and I i think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► what may be a better it would it look at this is kinda like the the danger of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► monoculture and that if you're all in on on anything that it makes you vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► to problems and and maybe the healthier thing to do is to maintain diversity in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► the things that you use and things you rely on so you know I'm all-in on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► Apple stuff in a lot of ways but I don't use i-five drive because it feels like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► little too much in a way that Apple's not very good at usually so and i ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► my email I use fast enough for that with me in front of it so I you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► why wouldn't I wouldn't trust I thought mail even know a lot of people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► works fine I'm surprised you didn't tell me your usual speech was like really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► this is true I just have been Laxmi doing it the right thing to do for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► kids not to get on Gmail accounts are applicants the right thing to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► giving them accounts in a demand that I own even if behind the scenes like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► kind of doing them a disservice by not doing that but then again they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► going to do then they're gonna become adults and pick their own place I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQ9o5vM/4746">TS</a>]
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