The Accidental Tech Podcast

145: Lasers and Pew-Pew and Space Aliens

 

  I made the mistake of going to the grocery store today I figured you know [TS]

  if I go yes Thanksgiving week but if I go on Monday at New no one else is gonna [TS]

  be there is a way too early and at the middle of the day people take off the [TS]

  whole week I think I don't understand where everybody was when I went to work [TS]

  today it was a little traffic there was a lot of people in the parking lot don't [TS]

  go to the the any food many places that sell food or beverages this week all of [TS]

  the traffic was in my grocery store's parking lot apparently everybody else in [TS]

  the world had the same idea that I did no one's gonna be there on Monday at [TS]

  noon i didnt i didnt know you live in a retirement community we need something [TS]

  fun and clever to start the show it maybe we can do a little bit of [TS]

  follow-up John's favorite topic [TS]

  the internet has given us a gift today and by the internet I mean David Collett [TS]

  lead I'm so sorry that I probably pronounced it wrong but david has given [TS]

  us the John Siracusa paper doll kit which this is really a call out to [TS]

  reconcile differences which this is this is a different privacy has confused [TS]

  about what we're doing that I know this was followed is John keep up or taken [TS]

  out with john why are you acknowledging the fallout has a solid meaning and you [TS]

  are arguing over what it is I don't know what followed me and so I know this is a [TS]

  topic they were probably talked about it on that other podcasts like when you say [TS]

  it like area on another network we can even a mule's but it's fine if you wanna [TS]

  do paper dolls fun guy just I wanted to be just wanted to call everyone's [TS]

  attention to this absolutely phenomenal tweet from from David with the John [TS]

  Surtees a paper doll your nose was a little read off each for my taste if [TS]

  that's a style that's not that's not a reflection on my actual knows didn't [TS]

  even notice the Clinton in 1992 shirt that's very few knew what the Rangers [TS]

  look like I should [TS]

  they're printing us out for my kids to play with my god they would have the ATP [TS]

  shared addition obviously can we get this printed on like a sheet of magnet [TS]

  things that you could actually is that is like a company that does that I'm [TS]

  sure is that he's done some other pictures of me as well as they go on [TS]

  we're running back you know that one it's the layers are in folders [TS]

  accessories torso pants footwear so you can add this is this actually you don't [TS]

  even need many can actually talk about everything right from here as long as [TS]

  you're willing to launch Photoshop as a people been doing with a composed the [TS]

  different versions of me still put a link to the belief that we will put a [TS]

  link to the website where you can see all this stuff is really is incredible [TS]

  said you guys are we all did a very terrible job explain why does exist [TS]

  yeah that's true anyway I'm reconcilable differences which is about guess it with [TS]

  marlon man we talked about closing at one point and this is my phones idea [TS]

  that someone should make a paper doll version of me to help dress me he got [TS]

  into his head that that he wants to do a makeover like that you know those are [TS]

  clear I type shows us where there's someone who doesn't have any fashion [TS]

  sense and other people with fashion sense want to fix him that's what he [TS]

  wants to do to make her want other people to do to me so he go paper dolls [TS]

  tattoos tattoos lear is a question mark after in the layer 2 because there is [TS]

  none [TS]

  get that one that nobody talks about well really get to use personally have [TS]

  never ever ever ever desire to have a tattoo on the internet you know that [TS]

  means they gonna have won six months now [TS]

  goodness knows anything I would want anything I would like enough to put on [TS]

  my body like a it would probably be like some sort of consumer BS but be [TS]

  inevitably I would end up Adrian so I can imagine so I love so I have I have [TS]

  configured now the rugby shirt jeans asics shoes and the and the John glasses [TS]

  but the boat I it's a fantastic combination hear both sides are cool and [TS]

  you would get that reference on TV I got nothing what's up for TV shows my butt [TS]

  which speaking of it I think I've gotten to the point that I hate listen to top [TS]

  four because so much of what you guys say I've never listened to a podcast [TS]

  makes you want to yell at him or i think is working as designed as far as I can [TS]

  tell how do I think you're right I absolutely think he right in the thing [TS]

  is like I genuinely do enjoy the show in there are times like i I tweeted it both [TS]

  of you earlier today I genuinely thought that the way you handled the pizza [TS]

  discussion was perfect because without question it is so much easier to find [TS]

  good pizza in New York or the surrounding area than anywhere else [TS]

  don't say it don't say but there is good pizza we had another places which I did [TS]

  say what you said but I assume I will hate it when I know I thought Marco you [TS]

  guys both handled it perfectly I really did create it's it's just like that the [TS]

  standard john was a bow tie if I don't think the most I fits with their rugby [TS]

  shirt I don't think that's it doesn't that doesn't fit I think you should try [TS]

  this one day maybe next year to BBC something like that [TS]

  showed us my wife who said why do you look so angry angry about either being [TS]

  half naked are about other people dressing me I can't imagine you be [TS]

  incredibly happy about either of those states so I think it's it's the [TS]

  appropriate expression but anyway I I was I was very happy with how you handle [TS]

  that but I think part of me so perturbed at top four days because I don't like [TS]

  Indian food with the exception of non which is delightful but the thing of it [TS]

  is very very well could be that I've just made terrible choices whenever I've [TS]

  gone for Indian food even know what I've eaten but I can tell you I'm not like [TS]

  any of it and in so I was very perturbed that Indian ranked so high on your list [TS]

  however I concur with pizza I concur with Panera and delis I think you're a [TS]

  little harsh and Quiznos subway but I can get past that I mean if if if you're [TS]

  in a place where the best options you have are Quiznos or subway just go to [TS]

  the grocery store and buy cold cuts make it better that like it at that [TS]

  wanna see what I did live in those places that's what I did because it was [TS]

  better for the most part I did agree with most of what you guys said so and [TS]

  you can't forgive that the subway triangle cheese tessellation issue I [TS]

  guess you are spot on that I completely agree to give context to this this is [TS]

  top for the podcast Marco does with his wife and they supposedly whatever top [TS]

  for take-out restaurant stop for Halloween candies what they actually do [TS]

  on the show is only vaguely related to that and they're now lately both having [TS]

  trouble coming up with up for anything and almost there pains a terribly wrong [TS]

  anyway that's the show and it sure we conclude the advertiser podcast sections [TS]

  of the spot yes yes you should complain about the fact that I have brought up [TS]

  the to podcast that my co-host have done [TS]

  I have not brought up any of my extracurriculars but yes he continued to [TS]

  be upset John that's that's just your personality casey you didn't even [TS]

  mention robot or not [TS]

  well now we have to bring up the income people you are on the income people [TS]

  especially your show no one ever showed only I understood that reference right [TS]

  now that you've ruined follow out for me just as you had planned to use them [TS]

  follow up and talk about what been wrote in and said I thought you would never [TS]

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  beautiful night so John tell us in this follow-up section what Benji wrote in [TS]

  and said we're talking about the iPad pro screen and how it wasn't quite as [TS]

  good in terms of color accuracy is as service pro for it not also not as good [TS]

  as some of the earlier iPad screens Apple had made her the smaller ones [TS]

  anyway and I wondered if it was kind of a shame that it didn't have the new set [TS]

  of a wide spectrum or whatever the correct term is that large damage anyway [TS]

  display that the iMac does that the cp3 specification which is bigger than RGB [TS]

  and then run that one of the reasons that I petrol can't do that is because [TS]

  it requires an RGB backlight so these Koreans that we call it STDs but [TS]

  sometimes all LEDs LED just refers the backlight so you've got a bunch of you [TS]

  got this semi transparent thing in front but little colored section is that you [TS]

  can turn on and off in different mountain behind it [TS]

  behind most computers have a big white light on all the time [TS]

  over the entire screen for computer screens anyway and apparently the iMac [TS]

  has instead of a big white light behind it and RGB backlight so the back like [TS]

  that can be different colors instead of just white and I didn't know that I know [TS]

  televisions do that on television and also to wear tricks with the backlight [TS]

  to try to make the image look better but it makes sense that if the iMac as an [TS]

  orgy of a cloud perhaps they can't get that small enough for low-power enough [TS]

  to be a pro just yet [TS]

  company had to wake up more years I guess they're not but I did not know [TS]

  that I really didn't have any idea that there was an RGB back that's very cool [TS]

  tell me about iMac insomnia do my wife's new 27 inch iMac [TS]

  was saying last week that kid seems to have insomnia put to sleep and animal [TS]

  wake up again or will just walk away from the computer after using it and [TS]

  then come back an hour later it still awake and I wasn't quite able to figure [TS]

  out why lots of listeners sent in suggestions [TS]

  one coming along with the IR receiver if it's in the line of sight of something [TS]

  that sprays I are like a remote control or one of those IR blaster things or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  conceivable that the IR receiver on a Mac which I guess it has won I don't [TS]

  know but have an uneven check did have one theory is that for our computers to [TS]

  do have an IR receiver if it's near your television or something like that you [TS]

  could keep it away just with IR input I don't know that theory is correct [TS]

  because i think is that fine line of sight of any I R and I don't even know [TS]

  if my thing has IR receiver probably does but anyway the next guess was [TS]

  Bluetooth if you go to the Bluetooth preference pane this is annoying this is [TS]

  an inside Energy Saver Bluetooth preference pane then you have to click [TS]

  on Advanced then there's a checkbox that says allow Bluetooth devices to wake [TS]

  this computer and that was checked by default so I unchecked it and I think my [TS]

  problems are solved but I've got that the reason that feature exists that you [TS]

  have my Mac if you get it with the recommended Apple crappy cripples [TS]

  Bluetooth keyboard and the recommended bluetooth mouse then you don't have your [TS]

  mouse or keyboard connected with a wire to computers on your computer was asleep [TS]

  if you don't have the setting checked and you hit the spacebar like to wake up [TS]

  your computer or wiggle the mouse or click the mouse button or something [TS]

  the computer on actually wake up I don't have that problem we've got a wired [TS]

  keyboard attached to it actually a USB mouse that's so i'll check that thing [TS]

  and so far so good the computer has not had insomnia it hasn't woken up [TS]

  spontaneously and go to sleep it stays asleep so I'm pretty well convinced that [TS]

  I solve my problem exxon I would never would have guessed it was Bluetooth [TS]

  acting up but I'm glad to figure that out I also don't understand how you [TS]

  could have wires on your desktop [TS]

  you know teacher it's a keyboard tray so the wires are going to anything [TS]

  he portrayed the right height you know but the desk at the right to low and [TS]

  then you need some of the the computer oh yeah that's easier than managing [TS]

  keyboard I think the main reason wife like the keyboard tray is that it gives [TS]

  her more room to jump on the desk because he didn't hire service desk in [TS]

  front of you is free for like having papers and stuff like sometimes it's [TS]

  good to be like referring to note I'm just piling stuff but really it's [TS]

  convenient I think I would even if I didn't need to forget positioning you [TS]

  never had like a despot that went up and down I get it right in fact I had to [TS]

  work my desk at work has somewhat adjustable and I tried putting it down [TS]

  to a level that it should be for the keyboard and I just like the desk higher [TS]

  and the little train journey that's what I'm used to any other follow that was [TS]

  another quick round of all very proud of us well this is a trip here time after [TS]

  the after the last episode I'm sure yeah and also its its low for the holidays I [TS]

  feel like we need to have like a laid-back episode 42 drink added realize [TS]

  that was the plan [TS]

  yeah right to speak of holidays John you came up with an idea for this episode [TS]

  yet because we're recording this on a Monday only a few days after record the [TS]

  last episode because our offer our holiday is Thanksgiving holiday [TS]

  vacations and travels and so on I thought what better way to celebrate [TS]

  Thanksgiving which is a holiday here in the us- people outside the US can look [TS]

  it up its pretty down as far as hot as hell but anyway it is a holiday and we [TS]

  get off a little slow down you gonna have to explain yourself on that one [TS]

  it's it's one of those holiday is the really is [TS]

  doesn't really make much sense it's not really that historically significant [TS]

  it's only because the people involved in it where the important enough people to [TS]

  celebrate something like they're celebrating the story of Thanksgiving [TS]

  but bottom line is we you know people European countries are all the [TS]

  indigenous people took all the plant and not feel guilty for it and stuff but [TS]

  heavy hearted kind of celebrating how nice it was that we all cooperated is [TS]

  like weird like yeah and then we live together happily ever after right now we [TS]

  don't anyway it's not as bad as Columbus Day but it's close but we don't care [TS]

  because it's just the holiday season and we have turkey and got around with [TS]

  family and argue about politics are your Thanksgiving is going to go I don't make [TS]

  this into a downer bottom line is we get off work at 10 straight to his party but [TS]

  only for Thursday you have to take a vacation day for Friday or just you know [TS]

  be retired like some of us are mile even Marco has to visit family at [TS]

  Thanksgiving Thanksgiving I would I would rather work for the rest of the [TS]

  year full time than deal with Thanksgiving family drama untrue you [TS]

  don't know my family [TS]

  well I don't know why I think you underestimate what it would be like to [TS]

  work for the rest of the year waking up and getting into an office and [TS]

  committing to going to get in the middle of this anyway I don't do a downer [TS]

  Thanksgiving which I get that even though the stupid holiday it is a [TS]

  holiday and one of the good things about thanksgiving is a time of year when in [TS]

  theory you are supposed to reflect on what you are thankful for that is [TS]

  usually the part of the evening before people get drunk and angry and started [TS]

  politics sometimes occur on the table and say and say what you think you'll [TS]

  fall for or whatever whoever has the most willing and able to induce [TS]

  embarrassment in your extended family using make this happen so i guess im [TS]

  filling that role here on the podcast [TS]

  asked the assembled get a group of house what 2015 issue check things are we most [TS]

  thankful for that have to be this year they could be like a three or four year [TS]

  old text you just discovered this year I don't need your framing is loose but [TS]

  anyway what kind of things are we thankful for anything that is going [TS]

  around in circles until we're all exhausted and don't have anything left [TS]

  to be thankful for [TS]

  ok I'm a list of real I really was trying not to invoke the ghost like well [TS]

  not the most thankful for this but it's probably round 945 actually have 50 [TS]

  number five [TS]

  very clear number one alright alright I'll market seems like he's ready to go [TS]

  first so yeah I did not do my homework on this I thought about it like 10 [TS]

  minutes about half an hour ago you could have markers doing more homework than I [TS]

  am something is seriously broke three days notice I know I just can't go ahead [TS]

  Marco well Mike my clear number one I thought it immediately when you said [TS]

  this and there is no contest and DNS responder section number one so so for [TS]

  the if anybody doesn't get the joke this is the the old version of the old [TS]

  version of discovery D which is the system diamond that's responsible on [TS]

  Macs and iOS devices for network name lookup finding Bonjour devices etc or [TS]

  whatever it was called you know that's the news because you write anyway so so [TS]

  it's it's very much responsible for like Macs and Apple devices finding other [TS]

  servers and devices on the network and coordinating things with them so for [TS]

  things like file-sharing probably involved in things like airdrop [TS]

  definitely no network shares Apple TV kind of stuff airplay and discover ed [TS]

  was the new version of this the rewrite of this ship with yosemite and with iOS [TS]

  ate it was so buggy and caused so many problems for so many people you know if [TS]

  if if during the era of yosemite I was eight if you if you ever had things like [TS]

  other matching your network disappear and just not be visible [TS]

  finder for browsing or for sharing or if you had things like you have the [TS]

  computer name with a number after it like you know tips computers and it's [TS]

  like what and where it and some reason to believe that some of that that was [TS]

  the kind of problems with this but it caused so many other problems that some [TS]

  people just got lucky like the HDMI CEC unicorn than just never had it I hit all [TS]

  of these problems you have problems like you know certain like network printers [TS]

  that had greater faces with frequently fail and just never be connectable [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  airplay would fail constantly airdrop would fail constantly so many problems [TS]

  with with various network and inter inter Mac inter island communication [TS]

  things and this is honestly this is a major driver behind my well circulated [TS]

  peace applesauce the function of high ground from last winter because it it [TS]

  shipped with your assembly and iOS in the fall of 2014 and it took until what [TS]

  summertime something that before they issued an update that reverted back to [TS]

  the old server discovery d back in the old one and DNS responder which just fix [TS]

  all the problems and so it it was a good six months as some like that of using [TS]

  this and the number of problems I encountered for the six months just made [TS]

  me question everything about Apple just like how could they possibly have let [TS]

  this go for so long [TS]

  ship this and it was making all the stuff that makes Apple devices usually [TS]

  pleasant it like so much it was crumbling or was leased unreliable for [TS]

  me and when when they went back to MDS responder massive amount of these [TS]

  problems just disappeared immediately for me and so now I can do things like [TS]

  browse the iTunes share from the Apple TV and watch movies that are on my home [TS]

  server on the Apple TV and stuff like that I can reliably connect to the Mac [TS]

  Mini deserve this lifestyle I can reliably connect computer and share [TS]

  files my can print it works every time like this is stuff that used to work [TS]

  very reliably didn't for like six months and now does again so number one by far [TS]

  from me is the return of Mtns responder the number one thing [TS]

  is really just a sly way to complain about something no I you know i i wanted [TS]

  you know I run an update article when you know once I was pretty sure that [TS]

  this would fix everything and I really want to be clear that it was really bad [TS]

  before and also I'm really happy now because now they have fix that massive [TS]

  class problems and Apple stuff has all sorts of other problems still and you [TS]

  know I'm sure we will spend we will spare no moment talking about those but [TS]

  that really did fix a ton of them that I was having and I and it it says a lot of [TS]

  an apple that they were you know that was a big mistake to ship that and to [TS]

  stick with it for so long but it does say a lot about Apple that rather than [TS]

  just like double down that in just like try to crank through and figure out all [TS]

  the problems they said no we go back like I don't think they've really done [TS]

  that very often and I can't even imagine what had to go on inside the company to [TS]

  to convince you ever need to be convinced to roll back to abandon this [TS]

  whole rewrite of this thing to roll back to the previous version but I'm really [TS]

  glad I did because it really did fix a massive number of problems I was having [TS]

  as I mentioned in this originally happened and DNS responder had a [TS]

  terrible reputation in nearly a year is about 10 because it was the process that [TS]

  it was always hanging in making stuff not work on your computer [TS]

  all I kinda like basic functionality of connecting to server isn't loading web [TS]

  pages the solid value to kill him responders home runs constantly crashing [TS]

  and eventually got to the point where I guess it was stable but their prime [TS]

  motivator plays it because it was old and crusty and never really work right [TS]

  and they had run out most of the bugs but it was still probably like not easy [TS]

  to change or add features to like you know handoff where the hell I don't even [TS]

  know if that was what what their motivation for discovery to you but it [TS]

  was but I was that every time they've gone and replaced some part of the [TS]

  system with some newer thing that something you have to do that you just [TS]

  gotta not screwed up like the the idea behind the effort was good execution was [TS]

  bad so I really hope that if not discovery did something else comes back [TS]

  because [TS]

  it's not like they're replacing these things for their health their visit [TS]

  motivation behind it as they just botched execution it will also show [TS]

  notes to our friend of the show Craig Hockenberry who talked about this a [TS]

  little bit strong language is preggers little perturbed but it's really good [TS]

  writeup as to what went wrong in with their discovery and why right shall I go [TS]

  next on would you prefer to go now europe is alright because I didn't have [TS]

  a lot of time to third didn't spend a lot of time thinking about this my my [TS]

  selection has my entire discovered here and you know the first thing I'm [TS]

  thankful for which I'm really really excited about is actually live photos I [TS]

  really really really enjoy life photos that you can make an argument that it's [TS]

  gimmicky and maybe it is and maybe in a few years I think it's silly but sitting [TS]

  here now I love life photos being able to have a little bit of context around [TS]

  what's happening especially when you have a really young child in the house [TS]

  is really really awesome and there's been a couple of life photos that I've [TS]

  gotten just by pure happenstance that have been really awesome like once I [TS]

  took a picture Declan when we were out to eat and and he decided to make this [TS]

  like just mammoth Eon right as I taking the pictures so you can see this like [TS]

  huge yawn as he's as he's eating at this restaurant and it it sounds silly [TS]

  describing it but it was just the funniest lie photo and I don't know that [TS]

  I I don't know that I would have captured that moment had it not been for [TS]

  the fact that what I thought was the picture was actually a very very short [TS]

  movie and so I love live photos I the only thing I don't like about life [TS]

  photos now it makes me question whether or not I want to use my big semi fancy [TS]

  camera or my i phone to take pictures and generally speaking I do you reach [TS]

  for the big camera but it doesn't make me feel guilty anymore if I don't have [TS]

  the big camera handy when trying to capture shot because I love having my [TS]

  context they have burst mode on your big fancy camera I do when I never ever ever [TS]

  use it though [TS]

  blast away make your own live pictures and maybe that's one way of looking at [TS]

  it but I very rarely shooting burst mode and the handful times I've done it [TS]

  it has come out pretty well but then I'd have to post-process it turned into a [TS]

  movie and blah blah blah not to say that this is egregious but it's it's it's [TS]

  pretty magical just whipping out the thing that the phone that's in your [TS]

  pocket and snapping a picture and having that little bit of context behind it I [TS]

  just really really love it kind of in that vein I I'd like to this anomalous [TS]

  sorry John is par for the course [TS]

  yes yes it exactly right like to add to that just how incredibly good the video [TS]

  is from the iPhone's success success + [TS]

  this year I finally after seven years of created my main good camera from a Canon [TS]

  5d mark two to the Sony a seven are too and it's a fantastic hammer in every way [TS]

  and I love this thing I I love the pictures I get out of the Sony it's [TS]

  incredible it is incredibly expensive too so it's not for everybody but when [TS]

  you buy a camera every seven years it's it's it can be justifiable but anyway [TS]

  love love this camera and it shoots for k video and it's one of the it's one of [TS]

  the relatively few cameras on the market for a video there's they're getting [TS]

  warmer numerous but they're still relatively few in number but the [TS]

  iPhone's success came out and the success also shoots for k video and [TS]

  having shot now with both of them a reasonable amount the difference between [TS]

  them is not that big like here here's a scammer that's being hailed as one of [TS]

  the best cameras overall ever made and one of the best camera that can shoot [TS]

  for K and the camera that's an every iPhone of the current generation shoots [TS]

  for k video that to my as a casual observer is almost just as good [TS]

  equality you get out of this out of the iPhone 4 came granted it isn't 60 frames [TS]

  per second it's only 30 I don't have it I don't know what shoots for K sixty for [TS]

  his second but it's never seen anything that offered that it seems like for k [TS]

  everywhere these days basically 30 but if you're going to deal with the lower [TS]

  frame rate it looks incredible just to have that resolution it really does look [TS]

  like a moving photo it's just it looks like a real life photo [TS]

  and live photos are great like you know they're they're great for when he didn't [TS]

  intend to take a video but when you do intend to take a video the quality you [TS]

  can get out of the iPhone camera in for k mode is just ridiculously good and for [TS]

  people like us who have kids and get all sentimental about how how Peter kids are [TS]

  it is just stunning how how much this captures life in the way it looks in [TS]

  real life and I'm very very glad to have this because you know most [TS]

  almost every parent at some point says you know I really wish I shot more video [TS]

  I really really with a shot more photos and and i've been that way for video [TS]

  certainly but you know we should plenty of photos but we don't shoot another [TS]

  video yeah I'm the same way I reflect and look back on on the pictures and [TS]

  video of taken in the last year just over a year old now and I couldn't agree [TS]

  more that I've taken a lot of really great pictures I'm really proud of the [TS]

  pictures I've taken but I haven't shot near enough video and and I think that [TS]

  part of the problem is is that it's not often especially early in life like [TS]

  super early in life that that I can capture something that's quote-unquote [TS]

  remarkable as it's happening and I think that that's the wrong attitude to have [TS]

  and I should be better about just capturing everyday life because it'll be [TS]

  interesting to look at maybe not know year five years maybe in ten or twenty [TS]

  years and so I'm trying to train myself to to start taking video of things that [TS]

  seemed really boring and like you were saying Marco I I really really like that [TS]

  this camera that's in my pocket always takes forte video which is kind of it's [TS]

  kind of an insurance policy right you know there will eventually be video that [TS]

  is crisper than forte but sitting here in 2015 that's the case gonna look [TS]

  pretty good for a while I think in and so I'm really happy that I'm getting [TS]

  really high resolution video out of the camera I am most likely to have on me [TS]

  always yeah and it really does not look like it like an inferior quality camera [TS]

  when you're shooting for k with the iPhone it does not seem inferior quality [TS]

  at all in fact like you know compared to my liking a quote real and it is not a [TS]

  dedicated video camera but a lot of people use these things for video the [TS]

  things like the audio actually better the audio is way better on the [TS]

  iPhone the autofocus is way better on the iPhone it shouldn't be there's no [TS]

  reason why it should be hardware wise the Sony cases but in so many ways but [TS]

  the iPhone just has like really nice automatic default and has really good [TS]

  audio processing such that you with with no effort you get pretty great video out [TS]

  of the iPhone compared to this you know professional camera it's amazing how [TS]

  good it is so yeah I'm very thankful for how good the success is shooting video [TS]

  because it is making me shoot more video and 8044 parenting nostalgia purposes [TS]

  that is just awesome don't forget to take videos of your kids screaming and [TS]

  crying because it's my kids when they're smiling or happy take pictures of their [TS]

  crying and take video so they can hear the noise that they made because they [TS]

  don't believe you when you try to describe it and sometimes it's nice to [TS]

  look back when you're far distant from and I remember that terrible screeching [TS]

  that didn't leave our house [TS]

  declan's smiling anyway at some point has to be screaming crying capture that [TS]

  yeah yeah we tried to occasionally bring that up because they just before the [TS]

  show we were talking we when we were at my parents this past weekend we did like [TS]

  a literally five or ten minute photo shoot with them where they took a bunch [TS]

  of pictures of the three of us that would maybe they will may be used for [TS]

  Christmas card this year and I think the pictures look good but declan's kind of [TS]

  like nonplussed about the whole thing and you know oftentimes he's pretty [TS]

  easily it's pretty easy to make him pretty happy and in these he's kinda [TS]

  like whatever man and I were discussing well you know that is a better [TS]

  representation of real life because he's usually a fairly chipper kid but he's [TS]

  not always know super excited about everything and so we were debating and [TS]

  didn't really reach a conclusion before before I came into record you know maybe [TS]

  we should just use one of those and and that's okay and so I'm trying to do [TS]

  better about capturing the annoyed Declan in the upset as time goes on [TS]

  jonathan is your turn alright well you might think since I suggested this [TS]

  exercise that I have some like really clever interesting [TS]

  things I know this but i dont lose your job I'm just the idea so my first one [TS]

  might be a surprise but I don't think so [TS]

  based on what I've talked about it's it's it's kinda like Marquez is like a [TS]

  qualified recommendation what is the first thing I thought of the first thing [TS]

  I'm thankful for this year is photos Apple's photo thing where they finally [TS]

  gave away that had access to all your photos everywhere and to put all your [TS]

  photos up in the cloud and charger money to the storage but the prices are not so [TS]

  bad I've had a lot of weird issues with it but I have to say all the bugs and [TS]

  stuff that I've encountered so far have been delays not roadblocks like it's [TS]

  done weird things that's been spooky and it's been weird but always eventually at [TS]

  the end of it I come out the other side with a far as I'm aware fully [TS]

  functioning and working library that is all synced up and is in the clouds [TS]

  everywhere and is available on the phones and now on my Mac photos actually [TS]

  performs an acceptable manner most of the time still ignores my spacebar about [TS]

  50% of the time when I had it but anyway it's got a long way to go but I like the [TS]

  fact that is a fairly new program that already been updated and the update has [TS]

  added minor features and performance and I'm just glad that Apple finally has [TS]

  gotten their photo library online and on to their servers and you know not [TS]

  stranded on my machine they still have a long way to go when it comes to dealing [TS]

  with families and multiple for libraries but this possible things I'm thankful [TS]

  for complaints policy so this really does get the John Siracusa seal of [TS]

  approval [TS]

  well it's just because it's so much better than i photo like and you know [TS]

  people who use our services like they use Google or you know Amazon's cloud [TS]

  storage or whatever the saying this is the only solution for in fact it's [TS]

  probably not even the best solution for everything that I've heard Google [TS]

  storage solution seems to be much more reliable more features and be really [TS]

  cool I just we've always had our photos in iPhoto and so photos is the obvious [TS]

  and only you know transition to stay in the Apple TV Apple ecosystem and [TS]

  iPhoto like towards the end of its life was really terrible but in the beginning [TS]

  and middle it was pretty good especially when I library with smaller so I'm glad [TS]

  that Apple's continue to develop a program that essentially did import my [TS]

  iPhoto library in the same way to coalesce my ratings down into favorite [TS]

  ok with that [TS]

  yeah so like I still have any complaints about it but it's just so long for them [TS]

  to do the obvious thing we all talked about ever picks in Merced when it went [TS]

  out of business and now I'm getting all their pictures and make it so that they [TS]

  do not all be on the device but you have access to them everywhere [TS]

  good idea Apple have been very trigger shy on photos pretty worried about user [TS]

  and picture life which I really really like and I been afraid to really get [TS]

  into photos just because it's always felt like I was I didn't want to trust [TS]

  apple with this because I don't want to go bad even though I have backups like I [TS]

  picture life now have two or three copies locally but it just scared me but [TS]

  to hear that it pretty much has a chance to seal of approval I might change my [TS]

  tune but you shouldn't though I always say is it's like online backup you just [TS]

  have to have you should everyone should be doing this if you have your photo [TS]

  library there should be some place that you uploaded to the picture life it's [TS]

  Google authority without those things where ever it is the whole point should [TS]

  be that worst-case scenario you should still have online backup and you still [TS]

  have local backup you still have local clones but I like having like yet [TS]

  another thing that it actually dedicated to photos that despite all those things [TS]

  those described by using back later or you know time machine or super duper [TS]

  clones you know you're backing up over your network to whatever is on top of [TS]

  that have another thing that says oh and by the way every time you take a picture [TS]

  with your phone gets uploaded to the cloud thing and then get downloaded onto [TS]

  your Mac and every time you import photos from the sdcard onto gets [TS]

  uploaded to the cloud and download on your phone [TS]

  and you don't have to have all your whores everywhere but on a particular [TS]

  Mac you can say please download it for is everywhere the one with the big hard [TS]

  drive having that extra system on top of all your backups just makes me feel [TS]

  better about pictures so it doesn't really matter if it's photos a picture [TS]

  of life or you go back in time you've ever picks or other products you might [TS]

  discuss later part of the show if we don't go long on this thanksgiving stuff [TS]

  yeah I'm not specifically endorsing photos I'm endorsing the idea of Apple [TS]

  doing the obvious thing for photo services and it not being terrible yeah [TS]

  and you know and we will we have been talking and many people been talking [TS]

  before they announce this like their other various photo solutions they like [TS]

  photostream before this kind of like a half solution and we we've been calling [TS]

  them to do something like this forever but no one thought they actually would [TS]

  and then not only did they do it but it was good even free version 1.0 it wasn't [TS]

  perfect but it was pretty good and end the imperfections are only limited [TS]

  relate to the front and app the actual back in the storage in the sinking [TS]

  engine in my experience and I think I think most experienced worked solidly [TS]

  from day one there was always like I said there was there is bugs but like as [TS]

  long as they're not intractable a lot of times early on people like that it had a [TS]

  bunch of black squares or am i thinkI feeli get that thinks that history [TS]

  upload everything like and it's mistaken about that or all sorts of problems [TS]

  we're either operations of taking a long time there are a couple of like crashing [TS]

  in the middle of the import of whatever but the bottom line is if you just kept [TS]

  trying eventually it reached a point where it's settled down which is not [TS]

  true of for example the time machine and spotlight last time but never settle [TS]

  down vote the best you can say about viruses sometimes it's geared up 1.0 had [TS]

  weird bugs but in my personal experience is I never had the new can pay right [TS]

  some people did so you know obviously it's not that it's it's both of my [TS]

  personal experiences even when it was weird just eventually powered through [TS]

  with me not doing anything other than [TS]

  and maybe repeatedly trying and settles into a state now where would I take a [TS]

  photo on my wife takes August the library's her as i dont wanna get into [TS]

  this anyway on the phone and then go to the Mac eventually the picture shows up [TS]

  and that's all I ask for again because he liked to that they really the Photos [TS]

  app is very very good and it was very good since 1.0 and it's only gotten [TS]

  better with 1.1 and I still do all my editing first for a photoshoot with with [TS]

  the big hammer I still do anything first and Lightroom and then I kinda like pick [TS]

  and pick and editing Lightroom and then export as for quality JPEG into photos [TS]

  because I i dont care for photos editing tools too much but for iPhone shot [TS]

  pictures to find and on the iPhone like having had bility and and you know my my [TS]

  fancy pictures once I do like a first pass at it with Lightroom I'm probably [TS]

  never gonna talk soon after that you know it's just do their export into the [TS]

  library that's faster is it doesn't have the giant rock how to deal with and it's [TS]

  nice it really is nice I i I have no I have no regrets about photo library [TS]

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  alright Marco do you want to go again or do you want to try to reverse the order [TS]

  here just make your next ok my number two after my only other and I gotta have [TS]

  a 1.2 1.3 my next one on the list john is the continued growth of podcasting I [TS]

  i have made I have really focused my career easily on podcasting on a number [TS]

  of fronts [TS]

  you know we do this podcast I have the pocket of my wife top for an epochal [TS]

  underscore David Smith an under the radar and of course I make a podcast app [TS]

  called overcast I i really busy thanks now I'm really I'm just very thankful [TS]

  that this industry continues to not only exist and be healthy but to thrive and [TS]

  grow I really I love podcasting I i love it as a listener I love it as a producer [TS]

  I love it as a programmer it is great there's tons of opportunity as a [TS]

  programmer at as a listener I podcasters in my life I'm I'm an epochal center for [TS]

  a long before I was really involved in them and I guess I gotta love listen to [TS]

  podcasts I don't have to explain it to most people think this probably and also [TS]

  as a podcaster I love the act of podcasting and I was I was kinda had [TS]

  this tweet tweet storming of the call it when he just too much money I think [TS]

  that's it you got it yeah it so I i treat all over the place earlier today [TS]

  about I been holding back a lot from blocking recently because the [TS]

  expectations and their reactions that you get out of blogging for me have [TS]

  become just really negative I whenever I've blogged and anything substantial [TS]

  recently I have often regretted it afterwards because the the the amount [TS]

  and the type of attention that results from it is is not good for me it's it's [TS]

  not pleasant it's it's not satisfying it actually just feel like a burden and it [TS]

  resulted in a lot of misunderstanding a lot of attention a lot of flames and a [TS]

  lot of sensationalism that that I just do not want blocking also takes a long [TS]

  time no writing as difficult as it if you don't write you might I realize but [TS]

  writing is really quite difficult and time-consuming especially if you're [TS]

  trying to do it well it's very very hard to really do well if I wanted to do [TS]

  things like if I wanted to write this as a blog post of just like hearing i'm [TS]

  talking about how great podcasting as compared to blogging this would take me [TS]

  probably four hours to write a blog post and it wouldn't say it is when I can in [TS]

  a podcast I can basically with no preparation spew out random thoughts [TS]

  like this for about four minutes and have it all covered and have expressed [TS]

  pretty much all the same ideas [TS]

  possibly even better in in a more informal way that [TS]

  you people listening to this can hear me as a human being you know me from the [TS]

  context of the rest of the show and for any other shows you listen to the live [TS]

  in on you can give me the benefit of the doubt because you you have some sense of [TS]

  my personality from this and it just it just a much more humane medium so with [TS]

  podcasting I don't get many flames if I hardly ever get any kind of negativity [TS]

  about things I say in a podcast unable to get out way more ideas per unit of [TS]

  time effort put into it and it's it just feels better it's hard to explain in in [TS]

  in full how how it feels but i just think for me it is right now more [TS]

  natural communication floor mandame and a safer one because I'm kind of burnt [TS]

  out on the negativity to make it whenever I write anything you know this [TS]

  isn't to say I'm going to stop writing but I've certainly dramatically slowed [TS]

  down and it's no coincidence as I do more podcasts I write less because I [TS]

  just find podcasting works better for me right now and at this point in my life [TS]

  yeah I agree I've really been phenomenally lucky to have been a part [TS]

  of neutral love this show [TS]

  analog my other show unreal a family that my curly good job casey you did [TS]

  apply finally we keep setting up for the shot but it's both of you with a sports [TS]

  metaphor I'm very proud of you both anyway so and I've been very thankful to [TS]

  be a part of this and in to be able to participate in the end you know as we've [TS]

  discussed some of the show and i've discussed quite a bit on an analog I I [TS]

  have always felt some modicum of guilt for kind of having just found my way on [TS]

  here by accident but but but no other communities be really good to me and [TS]

  it's been a really phenomenal been phenomenally lucky to be a part of this [TS]

  and in a part of the community that we are in maybe next year we can finally [TS]

  convince you that like you didn't you aren't just like here accidentally like [TS]

  you are a host of the show you are one of three host of the show you are not [TS]

  just some guy who is stuck in a chair that I sit there while we thought [TS]

  yea time scale perhaps I'll believe that but but anyway I can hear John rolling [TS]

  his eyes right now we're all here accidentally is what I was thinking but [TS]

  now but it's it's been a really phenomenal and and I couldn't i couldn't [TS]

  be more thankful I was gonna make this job and really cheesy way but im gonna [TS]

  say it genuinely I couldn't be more thankful to be doing it with you to find [TS]

  gentleman and and and I'm really am so unbelievably proud of the work we've [TS]

  done here and unbelievably thankful that it's gone on as long as it happened and [TS]

  that any of you listening to this right now have have been stuck around in have [TS]

  chosen as long as you have so thank you to you guys and to everyone listening [TS]

  because this has been really phenomenal I think I'd write more if I didn't have [TS]

  a job [TS]

  amen brother Marcus Wright like you know if you podcast more like you can get a [TS]

  lot of ideas out but you would otherwise have to to write up in the pockets as I [TS]

  got my system you feel like you did you have something you just need to express [TS]

  right but mainly for me I feel like it's just not enough hours in the day and [TS]

  it's just so much more efficient to scramble for a couple minutes on a [TS]

  podcast you feel like well got that out of my system when it would take longer [TS]

  to write it in but I feel like if I had it in have to go to work every day I [TS]

  have all the showers and I probably would do the thing that Marcos and [TS]

  occasionally and so you know less so now that I might anything anymore [TS]

  practically but like where you either talk about something on a podcast and [TS]

  inspires you to write it up or you write something on your blog and that inspires [TS]

  you to talk about on the podcast that that's energy I still enjoy I just never [TS]

  have time for the part you write anything [TS]

  fair enough as it is I make it my turn I take it does alright so I'd actually [TS]

  this is a little bit of a cop out but I have other options as well I actually AM [TS]

  super thankful for my big semi fancy camera I have an Olympus om-d cm10 which [TS]

  is a terrible name it is a Micro Four Thirds camera and for a long time [TS]

  especially after Marco and tippen and Aaron I got reacquainted after mark when [TS]

  I lost touch for a long time I've always been jealous of what I'm looking for but [TS]

  I've always been intrigued by really nice camera equipment in and be a novel [TS]

  ways fancied myself like interested in photography but I wouldn't say I've ever [TS]

  been particularly great at it but right before Dec was born we finally bought [TS]

  this Micro Four Thirds camera which was a fair bit of money I mean it was [TS]

  something like $15 for the camera and a couple under the body in a couple of [TS]

  lenses and I wasn't sure if it was really worth it [TS]

  and Aaron wasn't sure feels really worth it because you we had I think 6 and [TS]

  iPhone 6 at the time which take it takes and took really great pictures but I am [TS]

  so thankful for big digital cameras still being a thing because having a [TS]

  camera with with glass that's bigger than a finger tip just makes for some [TS]

  incredible pictures and it's been really it's been really awesome to see some of [TS]

  the pictures I've been able to capture of not only Declan but my whole family [TS]

  and extended family through this camera that really in the grand scheme of [TS]

  things is not that terribly much money and so I'm extraordinarily thankful that [TS]

  it exists and I'm extra extraordinarily thankful that I think that that i've [TS]

  i've been able to that I bought one in there have been able to make some decent [TS]

  pictures come out of this camera and so digital photography in general not just [TS]

  live photos that that's yeah I'm still jealous of all your nice cameras but i [TS]

  feel like im going two miles total library was gathering photos for holiday [TS]

  things as you do and also pleased with the performance of prison [TS]

  back enjoying the fact that I can grow and do stuff although I put an item in [TS]

  the notes about my latest photo complaints they don't want to do that [TS]

  for the last thing but to sit next week yeah but like as a swell backwards in [TS]

  time towards like my oldest child but the baby you do see the quality of the [TS]

  pictures go down I think it's going to be less pronounced for Declan because I [TS]

  think like you know the the curves start it [TS]

  level off a little bit because there's sort of the limit of the human visual [TS]

  system and what feature sizes you can resolve a typical distances and blah [TS]

  blah blah but we got our very first digital camera ever before my son was [TS]

  born my first child and was not very good quality early days and you can [TS]

  really see it so it's kind of a shame I can't go back in time with the fans are [TS]

  Cameron I think about maybe I'm thinking the same thing now with the current [TS]

  because I'm taking my kid with my camera that does not cost as much as a good [TS]

  used car they're fine they're good but I can tell the difference between my [TS]

  camera and a fancy camera like it's impossible not to be able to tell the [TS]

  difference especially if if there is not a hundred percent Blazing Sun light on a [TS]

  clear day then all of a sudden I can tell the difference so I'm very often do [TS]

  consider buying fancy camera and maybe someday will but for now I'm limping [TS]

  along with my so a superzoom cameras in my phone so that's not that bad I'm [TS]

  trying to figure out what used car that's pretty good you could get for [TS]

  $1,500 on the corner of course of course I John what else thankful for my next [TS]

  item on the list is probably not surprising boring to everybody who is [TS]

  tech nerd including both of you but I put them in this tiny babies that bill [TS]

  like this was not the summer of George this was the year of big SSDs in my [TS]

  house as he's been around forever to get it is the life of Bob time I am [TS]

  I'm not interested in talking put all my stuff even fusion drive came out I think [TS]

  was a really great idea and from all accounts is work really well Mike but [TS]

  for me I should hold out for all my crap honesty remember on podcast many years [TS]

  ago was this podcast was it some other one I was like hold out for one terabyte [TS]

  SSD and I go good luck there's gonna be so expensive you can get one today but [TS]

  it's like thousands of dollars I can be cheap but you know waiting awhile why [TS]

  did I wait to really long time and eventually one terabyte SSDs became less [TS]

  than ridiculously expensive still very expensive but as soon as they came down [TS]

  in price looks like three the prices you know 500 $600 I got one for him and made [TS]

  a big difference as you would imagine just doing this is the big thing for me [TS]

  is that they are big that I can fit all of my stuff and the size of all my stuff [TS]

  has changed a lot over the years and I like your is trying to keep the all my [TS]

  stuff size somewhere within the bounds of economical hard drive size but [TS]

  partners can exerting so big 21 terabyte terabytes retail but for a terabyte [TS]

  spinning disk was like oh no I gotta make sure my stuff doesn't thoughtful [TS]

  turns out my stuff has been growing more slowly and my stuff comfortably fits in [TS]

  one terabyte snow avatar my guess is they want to go but the iMac is a [TS]

  terabyte St and now finally the two main computer in the house are all of our [TS]

  stuff on them and I'm very happy about it [TS]

  yeah I held out a really long time before getting an SSD because the first [TS]

  computer I had with an SSD was my old work computer which I got in the middle [TS]

  of 2012 but was a late 2011 Santa Clara 15 inch MacBook Pro and I had always [TS]

  thought as I often do with these things [TS]

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  it makes that much of a difference it it it's just night and day and because of [TS]

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  me is slack interesting ok that's a good when I would have put that on there if I [TS]

  had thought of it yeah I agree with that so first of all slackers really just [TS]

  good at like you know as as a product slackers good it is like [TS]

  when I first saw it I thought well that's just IRC [TS]

  fancied up IRC and that's true it is just finished a piracy but it's really [TS]

  good turns out by RCA is really nice feature is not that it's like fancied up [TS]

  I received the key feature is that like it is a name brand company thing you can [TS]

  get the slack app for the platform of your choice and it is slack our season I [TS]

  guess you like the client just something I really know your client works just [TS]

  type / something like this was like a client just to get slack and then you've [TS]

  got it you have to worry about people figuring out all point and click an [TS]

  unlimited amount of command-line silliness the NRC you know really it had [TS]

  a lot of shortcomings compared to slacken not just the client thing but [TS]

  just like the complexity of the the geeky roots of it it's and limitations [TS]

  of it not being persistent on the class just it's not a IR si has a sports place [TS]

  for sure but slacked us too and i think is by far the more friendly option of [TS]

  the two and it also has way more features and it's pretty nice anyway so [TS]

  I likes like a lot and I like that kind of lead to earlier I mentioned I was [TS]

  kind of worn out from negativity that I've gotten from being so public online [TS]

  slack allows me to have these small private groups of friends that things [TS]

  that I would have previously posted to Twitter now a lot of those things are [TS]

  going to slack and a lot of the conversations that I'm having a lot of [TS]

  the Keeping Up with friends what they're doing a lot more of that is happening in [TS]

  slack now then on Twitter for me and I think that's good because for so long we [TS]

  had things on the web where we're like this the best communication method on [TS]

  the web or so often public or semi-public Facebook where it's like [TS]

  it's supposed to be private most of the time but sometimes you setting [TS]

  everything public course from a default whatever it's nice to have something [TS]

  that is private I do think there's a place for those things there's a balance [TS]

  to be struck and it's you know just it's nice that we are we are willing to [TS]

  explore that balance rather than just make everything public [TS]

  and a driven on the entire internet and every way we communicate and so it's [TS]

  nice having having slack for me has been a nice kind and gentle reprieve from [TS]

  everything being in public because the fact is so many of my of my friends are [TS]

  people who have met in this business people like you guys who work with who [TS]

  who don't live near its like sit down and have lunch with you guys every day [TS]

  you know I I work at home for myself you know i i had lunch with my wife and my [TS]

  kids my dog the night my friend interaction or limited mostly to online [TS]

  stuff so it's nice to have just like a kindly private safe place for that to [TS]

  happen and now into psych provide that for me but from what I hear from a lot [TS]

  of other people and provide that to lots of people it it doesn't just like a [TS]

  desperate for Marco think like a lot of people you slack this way in small [TS]

  groups with their friends and it's really great for that and i am just very [TS]

  thankful if such a thing exists but is getting enough traction to be useful [TS]

  the company of this is that as we record today slack was down for many people the [TS]

  day to mention that but yeah doesn't matter this is done this is the first [TS]

  time I've ever seen down to the honeymoon period before marcos and a big [TS]

  roundabouts like being centralized thing controlled by a single company scurrying [TS]

  all the clients and their API and pricing aw stock so enjoy it while I [TS]

  know I'm being negative anyway I think everything that Marco said basically [TS]

  like in the big continuum of between public in like I am as the the private [TS]

  things like you know small group on Glee private message and public you have web [TS]

  forums are comments or bulletin boards and later things like Twitter and stuff [TS]

  like that and it's like as a nice middle-ground time to say no ground the [TS]

  Google+ was going for but missed where it's not one to one like I am and it's [TS]

  not in public or email that I is not in public like message boards or Twitter [TS]

  it's in between and it's not the only downside of course is now they were all [TS]

  we're all in a million different slacks because these in between things are sort [TS]

  of self organizing groups of people around particular interest to [TS]

  institutions or whatever and those circles overlap alot but we have to be [TS]

  in all of them if you want to keep up with this offense that could prevent [TS]

  that prevents that you're in three slacks that are that form is weird Venn [TS]

  diagram sometimes I have trouble keeping track of what slack I said which is on [TS]

  the same application that's one stupid single window working guys find more [TS]

  windows more than one call me crazy but I lose track of where I said things in [TS]

  which group of friends I said them to and who is on what page about what but I [TS]

  think that's a good problem to have liked having this middle ground even [TS]

  though that has meant one more place for me to check for things that have gone on [TS]

  I am NOT a slack completionist so they don't have that problem but still I do [TS]

  have to end its like to its credit gives you lots of really cool options for how [TS]

  you want to be notified and about what [TS]

  so sad that input on my list and now I'm the Marco stealing things from other [TS]

  peoples this is a test I completely agree with black and and it doesn't [TS]

  matter you know who your particular group of friends is or or whatever the [TS]

  case maybe it's just having a group of people even be friends or family you can [TS]

  communicate with often geographically [TS]

  all over the place is just really fantastic and the thing that one of the [TS]

  things I love about slack that that is in some ways ruined me for like iMessage [TS]

  and other things is the rich text preview sort of you call them so if you [TS]

  put a link to a tweet into a slack channel it will do its best to expand [TS]

  that queen show you the contents of the tween maybe even a picture of those [TS]

  media attached in oh my god I wish I could have that 44 I message that would [TS]

  be so so useful and and I really love that peter it's such a silly thing that [TS]

  makes a world of difference [TS]

  yeah so it's my turn this is a weird one [TS]

  I am super thankful for my lightning to HDMI adapter which he is a hard thing to [TS]

  say but this past weekend as with many weekends in the fall [TS]

  and I went to see the University of Virginia play football in his life who I [TS]

  am actually a hokey which means I went to Virginia Tech we are big rivals just [TS]

  go with the markup language stuff that cuts deep John so anyways we basically [TS]

  we are big rival school so Marco this is like TIFF going to Michigan does it make [TS]

  more sense to you yes that is the one sport rather than I am familiar with [TS]

  simply because I grew up in Columbus so you can't you couldn't not know about [TS]

  that one [TS]

  funds that the correct answers actually Penn State but anyway the point is that [TS]

  it just like OSU and pinch-hitter angles yet now Michigan and Michigan well know [TS]

  you are right to say Michigan and Ohio State but in the same conference as Penn [TS]

  State both my younger brothers went to Penn State so that's where my my my [TS]

  association is but anyway so the point I bring this up because we went to a [TS]

  sports ball so when we went tailgating over the years we've been doing this for [TS]

  a few years now we've updated our tailgate setup from you know just a [TS]

  grill to a grill and a kind of ok generator to a grill and a kind of fancy [TS]

  generator and so grill generator and TV and this year it was this past weekend [TS]

  actually it just so happened that my beloved Virginia Tech Hokies were [TS]

  playing noon game that I really wanted to watch and the UVA game was at 3:30 [TS]

  and so we were tailgating while that while the Hokies were playing and it was [TS]

  on ESPN the problem with that is we have an over the air antenna that we bring to [TS]

  the tailgate in its full each d so we can watch you know all the local [TS]

  channels and Charles hill on each D in the middle of a parking lot basically at [TS]

  the University virginia which is really incredible I'm thankful for that too but [TS]

  in this case it was ESPN and so what I did was I got my phone and I plug my [TS]

  phone into the Lightning teach you might after plugged-in HDMI cable from that [TS]

  into the TV and we were able to watch my beloved Virginia Tech [TS]

  cokie's lose as we're sitting in the middle of this parking lot at UVA which [TS]

  is just i mean to think about it like I remember watching Nickelodeon as a kid [TS]

  and watching like double tier and some of those games shows in you would see [TS]

  that like the grand prize was this god awful terrible video phone but this was [TS]

  like you know the early nineties and so you could probably only video dial like [TS]

  two other people in the entire country but you know little postage stamp size [TS]

  like black and white video phone and it was amazing and I remember thinking to [TS]

  myself how could that possibly be that you could see video you know on a [TS]

  telephone and then fast forward was at fifteen twenty years whatever the case [TS]

  may be and I'm sitting in a parking lot with the full 32 inch TV showing a [TS]

  picture that's coming off a cellular telephone like it's just ridiculous that [TS]

  that's a possibility and so this little obscenely expensive $50 lightning to [TS]

  HDMI adapter made all that possible that in my data which of course it was like [TS]

  two weeks ago that I finally ditched my unlimited data plan perhaps not a good [TS]

  choice but so it only cost me like two or three gigs of data for the two or [TS]

  three hours we were watching the football game so I'm really thankful for [TS]

  that you should take care all that booty once you get your new one duck taped to [TS]

  the back your TV and get refund $50 cable that are coming to the price they [TS]

  don't have a TV and then you can also charge your phone that makes it so much [TS]

  better I was able to charge my phone because I one of the ports on the [TS]

  Lightning to HDMI adapter is another lightning port [TS]

  yes I passes through power and since we had a generator right there when I pass [TS]

  through power to the phone which worked out really well I'm concerned about how [TS]

  many fumes you're inhaling with this generator that's like running the other [TS]

  people are as mister just been an appeal into it and then and now it's it's a [TS]

  it's actually very very fancy generators not ours it's one of the guys who [TS]

  tailgate with but it's an inverter generator so it it it emits a perfect [TS]

  sine wave which is pretty cool [TS]

  not talking about the different i know i understand you're saying it was just an [TS]

  aside so but we we bring these fifty foot extension cords so that things like [TS]

  that [TS]

  away from us probably near somebody else is in the other air and into speaking [TS]

  like where we tailgate is actually not it's it's not a parking lot where in a [TS]

  little field in front of the Astronomy building a VA don't be creepy and so [TS]

  it's late so small field and we try to point the generator pretty much away [TS]

  from everyone else but it's it's not near us and yet I remain concerned just [TS]

  like us have market coming to practice test text and use the big battery if I [TS]

  would kill to have Marco come to a football game with me that would be [TS]

  amazing but but now it's not quite that simple I think they would like to [TS]

  generate power right so if you go there and in electric car with a huge battery [TS]

  fully charged that'll that'll do for tailgating right probably maybe I mean [TS]

  the TV we use his old so it's probably not very efficient but there are times [TS]

  then we'll use like a griddle so for example this upcoming weekend it's our [TS]

  big game it's it's Aaron steam in my team playing each other and this year [TS]

  it's in Charlotte cells were gonna go and we are probably going to use a [TS]

  griddle which is a heating element which which is you know a million watts and so [TS]

  for that you'd probably want a generator because it would drain Marcus Phantom [TS]

  test will in like three and a half seconds [TS]

  think it would be I'm being a little facetious here but I still the math [TS]

  someone the shower room get out the slide rule she well for one thing I know [TS]

  that to charge a Tesla from like a 40 amp outlets though takes like 10 hours [TS]

  you don't realize how much power they have a granite top perfect efficient [TS]

  power but it takes a ridiculous amount of power to move a car like that you [TS]

  should realize how much power to just buy the not even doing the math by [TS]

  thinking about their taking this multi $1000 car and accelerating and [TS]

  decelerating and pushing it through the win for you know three hundred miles [TS]

  anyway this is the future of tailgating mark my words electric-powered pickup [TS]

  truck so the entire bed as much I love him I'm batteries [TS]

  you're probably right quick real-time follow up a quick things first of all it [TS]

  occurred to me that tailgating is probably a uniquely American thing sure [TS]

  hope so maybe Australians get across america light [TS]

  ok see ya please email me I didn't mean that in an offensive way but I'm screwed [TS]

  now anyway so what that means is so before a football game or a bowl game [TS]

  depending on how you look at it a lot of times what people will do is they will [TS]

  go to the parking lot outside the stadium they're going to and they will [TS]

  consume adult beverages and you know it's kind of chat and hang out and grill [TS]

  food in and eat food and do all the things you'd expect a bunch of Americans [TS]

  to do but do it outside and so some people take a little more seriously like [TS]

  we do and bring in generators they can watch other football games while they're [TS]

  waiting to watch the football game they want to see that's so that's what [TS]

  tailgating is and it did the etymology there is because oftentimes you'll hang [TS]

  out around the tailgate of a pickup truck although neither of us a pickup [TS]

  trucks and the other piece real-time follow-up it is not be let me teach you [TS]

  might after the official name is lightning Digital AV Adapter which I [TS]

  would have known had I done my homework so John your turn [TS]

  think of something else we're going to do the next round with over coming to [TS]

  the end of the show anyway so maybe we'll be at least one more wanna talk [TS]

  about what can you get all the lightning round after this case is lining and I [TS]

  know I was about to say I i I was too early on that one [TS]

  this one should be easy to guess anyone who's been listening to me on this or [TS]

  any other podcast the third item is destiny product not since quake 3 arena [TS]

  and Unreal Tournament 2004 have spent this much time playing a single video [TS]

  game I PlayStation 4 is essentially a destiny machine especially since I [TS]

  removed from the television terrible burning reasons all I do is play destiny [TS]

  played a lot and I'm afraid to look at the total number of hours recently about [TS]

  that you would think it would get boring but you know obviously cinema most [TS]

  airplane with other people and that extends life the games the same reason [TS]

  quake 3 arena real tournament were [TS]

  for so long because you are playing with other people so the game is much less [TS]

  predictable than playing like a single player game or a game against [TS]

  computer-controlled opponents because people are inscrutable [TS]

  and kind of like went through an unreal tournament there is a steady flow of [TS]

  content back in the old days it was maps that other people it makes you download [TS]

  new apps for Quaker and new maps are unwilling to try them out sometimes the [TS]

  new maps will come from the people who made the game's most the times not the [TS]

  case of Destiny all new content coming from bundy but they've had a steady [TS]

  stream of expansion is that yes you pay for but like I was saying about this [TS]

  someone recently the dollar per hour of enjoyment I'm gonna destiny its ratio is [TS]

  phenomenal [TS]

  compared to pay homage anything else like it is 60 bucks in the game [TS]

  expansion 40 bucks and expansion but do the division of the number of hours [TS]

  you're like oh this is like the cheapest entertainment dollars ever so the [TS]

  expansions really have kept it fresh for me and you know the the constant [TS]

  adjustments to the game and the systems in the game and the items and everything [TS]

  to Bungie is doing for just from week to week not just for the expansion for me [TS]

  to be doing little tweaks here and there and explaining why they do them that's [TS]

  an interesting sort of surrounding context for the game where there's the [TS]

  game and then there's the talking about the game then there's the reading about [TS]

  the future of things that are going on in the game and I think for the most [TS]

  part but she has been keeping things moving in the right direction if you you [TS]

  know questionable decisions that they're going back and forth on but 2.0 the big [TS]

  2.0 change the entire game isn't really address the lot of the worst parts of [TS]

  the progression system in the early game so destiny is my first MMO because I [TS]

  generally hate him and I was but I really like first-person shooter games [TS]

  and has really good first person shooter and as far as I can tell having never [TS]

  played any emotion for I think it's really funny too so thumbs up on destiny [TS]

  did you ever get into counter strike out of curiosity [TS]

  it's not quite the same kind of but it is though it's it's a new plan so that [TS]

  human beings and so it's much more interesting than playing by yourself [TS]

  I i tend to stay away from the more militaristic first-person shooters that [TS]

  just they've never really appealed to the closer they get to like real life [TS]

  guns with not a real life you know gun aficionado so the closer they get to [TS]

  realize comes in real life military I just find it off but even though [TS]

  counter-strike still you know basically like you know like I guess they about [TS]

  criterion and reserve it's basically a game of tag has very little to do with [TS]

  actual guns but it's close enough that it sort of propels me a little bit which [TS]

  is completely fantastical you know Space Marines or shooting aliens ur powered [TS]

  armor whatever other weird stuff you've gotten franchises like Halo and Gears of [TS]

  War kind of a guess but I tend to stay away from the military things and [TS]

  destiny I guess technically they're kind of the military but it's really just [TS]

  like lasers and ppl in space aliens only asked as i log out a time playing [TS]

  counterstrike when I was at Virginia Tech and not doing the things I should [TS]

  have been doing like study but I love to counter strike and I i love to the quake [TS]

  as well as quick so long ago I think that was my jam but it was alright does [TS]

  that mean already sponsors so I guess Marco wanna do your lightning round [TS]

  entry it's it's a little bit silly mid-on list really cuz I'm I'm still a [TS]

  little bit like 50 50 on how much I like it but the number 69 go with the Apple [TS]

  watch because it really has driven a positive influence in my life and the [TS]

  Apple watches this is another one of the blog post I keep trying to write and [TS]

  star in to rate and failing to write to write my like Apple watch six months and [TS]

  post of course now it's like seven months and I started writing on it was [TS]

  three months in and and the Apple watch it's easy to get announced soon so he's [TS]

  been here because I I do wear mine everyday i've i've tried going without [TS]

  it for a few days [TS]

  and I don't miss it as much as I think I would before I do it and there are parts [TS]

  of it that haven't been as Dicky for me just because they aren't that reliable [TS]

  and and what are the things that I like about it there's an asterisk after each [TS]

  one I do love it for notifications I do love it for a very quick serious things [TS]

  I do love it for the activity tracking and I do love having the weather thing [TS]

  on the face and the other complications but all those things are kind of like [TS]

  75% there so I just kind of tentatively there I'm very happy this product exists [TS]

  but I I think it still needs a lot more work on both the hardware and the [TS]

  software before it's very good but I do like where it is now and it had it did [TS]

  something that I didn't think was possible which is it transform me into a [TS]

  person as I mentioned when it was new I hadn't wanna watch you for this since [TS]

  like high school now that we're in the cell phone revolution and to the point [TS]

  of a watch but now they have one I like it a lot and so now I'm starting to look [TS]

  at other watches that don't have screens and don't have batteries another [TS]

  expensive hobby is a great yeah and I'm starting to like take joy in the day in [TS]

  the design of nice watches and that's kinda nice you know so we'll see what [TS]

  happens but but I like the Apple watching generally it's a it's a good [TS]

  product I wouldn't say it sincerely a great one yet but it is a good product [TS]

  now and it has given positive change my life so I appreciate that you know it's [TS]

  funny you bring that bring up the Apple watches your lighting round entry [TS]

  because my red lightning round entry is the Apple is going to say the exact same [TS]

  thing and I think the piece that is is most startling to me is the [TS]

  notifications which you brought up a moment ago I haven't heard my phone [TS]

  except when I've accidentally turned the ringer back on since I received my Apple [TS]

  watch which was what may or something like that so I haven't heard my phone [TS]

  since then and I think that's a good thing and I i had even before the Apple [TS]

  outside cold a lot of my notifications in in brought that number way way way [TS]

  down and you know I turned off a lot of 24 notifications turned off [TS]

  notifications a lot of those that I really didn't need to be notified about [TS]

  turned off and even with all of those notifications off you haven't turned [TS]

  those back on since I've gotta watch but even what remains things like text [TS]

  messages or emails from VIPs or what have you [TS]

  nobody else has to know when that stuff is happening I get a nice little tap tap [TS]

  tap on my wrist and that's that and I really really really love that I too [TS]

  have in my list of things to do my six months and now seven months in Apple I [TS]

  too have been procrastinating because I haven't figured out what my angle is [TS]

  really but I completely concur with you that especially for a device that as [TS]

  with most things I hemmed and hawed about I'm really glad I got it I love it [TS]

  so much for just keeping that that noise clutter out of my life and yes of course [TS]

  I'm still getting notified about these things but I don't know just having it [TS]

  be silent I just like so much begin in a bit just because I feel like it's kind [TS]

  of disrespectful to have your devices bringing in bombing well while other [TS]

  people are around and I just love that pissed that my phone has been silent [TS]

  since May and that's really awesome God that I'm so now I'm so glad I was gonna [TS]

  say if you two had not mention the Apple actually would've been weird to have to [TS]

  have us none of us mention Apple's you know new product line that you know like [TS]

  the the big thing that the latest big thing I wuv wishing I was also mentioned [TS]

  but the latest big things from apple the Apple large come towards the end of [TS]

  Arles I really wouldn't put it on mine mostly because the avalanche has not [TS]

  change the fact that I am NOT a person I do not like things that I rest my wife [TS]

  only real-time heckling me about how often I forget to put my watch and my my [TS]

  plan what I've done my plan to always wear to work but I very often forget [TS]

  when I do wear to work I find it convenient just like a little tap tap on [TS]

  the wrist to you know to be able to have it cracked like even though I don't do [TS]

  it market doesn't like actually trying to fill the circles and stuff I do like [TS]

  to get the stand-up reminders and I do make a little bit of extra effort to be [TS]

  more mobile network is that basically reminds you like it's like I was outside [TS]

  run various times R Us iraq your mind you hey I know you're kind of like in [TS]

  the zone on some issue but remember to get up and just like the refill your [TS]

  water covered cannot take a walk around or do something else and I do find it a [TS]

  specially convened [TS]

  so I don't have to do anything on my phone even without a sitting on the desk [TS]

  it just seems so much and even with HID seems like so much more of an effort to [TS]

  pick the things up but my thumb thing on my incredibly slow iPhone 6 without the [TS]

  S [TS]

  the way those extra to go on we're going to watch none of that is involved in a [TS]

  look at it and and Apple pan the watch I find it all so much nicer than doing i [TS]

  will pay on the phone I do it like a plan to use it whenever whenever [TS]

  possible can I use that will pay and double tapping the watch is nicer than [TS]

  again putting the phone new thing and trying to the thumb piano is not ready [TS]

  mytouch I D and then just automatically so I wouldn't put it on my list because [TS]

  it is just reinforce that I'm not a white person I know I can also say that [TS]

  the watches like something that I guess I wouldn't have bought it on my own [TS]

  cause I did buy it on my own but it was kind of like well I should probably buy [TS]

  it to see what all the fuss is about like it's kind of like I bought it for [TS]

  work work being this podcast whereas I was another podcast and wasn't writing [TS]

  that text up I probably wouldn't have voted in the end I'm so glad I bought it [TS]

  but I'm let's put it this way I'm not going to rush out to buy the next [TS]

  version of the Apple watch probably wait a couple revisions and targets way that [TS]

  it is I think a lot of my reasons the watches not the Apple I essentially for [TS]

  watches in general I just don't like things I rest of the smaller and lighter [TS]

  and less like an Airstream trailer [TS]

  that's right I know I said it earlier but it would really be wrong of me not [TS]

  to say thanks to all our listeners more time in our sponsors as well as the [TS]

  thank you to our listeners in two or three sponsors Squarespace automatic and [TS]

  bushel alright and we will see you next week we doing a tag team I got the I [TS]

  love with you will see you next week do you say we will see we don't actually [TS]

  see them I do say that thank you for ruining it now [TS]

  alright it's fine I just want to overthink it now the show they didn't [TS]

  even mean to be in accidental accidental [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  it was fun and a team Marco [TS]

  there was also a good idea john i do want to add one more kind of bonus 1 [TS]

  year ago so one is the Apple pencil and this is a really short one because it's [TS]

  you know it's easy when you say you know what the best of the year the stuff that [TS]

  he most recently tends to be more weight in your mind so I don't know what I mean [TS]

  I think long-term about it but the a pencil is really cool and yes the Apple [TS]

  TV is also knew the Apple TV i think is more of a mixed bag in terms of [TS]

  complexity and some of its remaining shortcomings and everything but the [TS]

  intensively only does one thing and it does that one thing already today from [TS]

  day one and it does it shockingly well once you can find one but it and it is [TS]

  so good and it's so nice to use that it is making me keep borrowing tips iPad [TS]

  Peru and keep wishing I had more of a reason to use this pencil because I am [TS]

  NOT a visual artist I don't illustrate things I don't make diagrams I don't [TS]

  take notes I I don't really have a good reason to use it but I wish I did [TS]

  because it's just so pleasant and delightful and just like technically [TS]

  satisfying like I know how good it is like it's it's also nice to use so what [TS]

  are you doing with it I'm just playing around maybe I should start trend take [TS]

  notes on things I don't know I don't know right now just player and the [TS]

  second thing is Tesla I don't own a test yet I'm planning on buying one soon but [TS]

  I don't own one yet but one thing I like about Tesla and they eating 2015 nearly [TS]

  came into their own with this that you know in the absence of Steve Jobs now [TS]

  the world is kind of low on genius billionaire is that are kind of near the [TS]

  tech industry that are making things really interesting for everybody and [TS]

  it's fun to be in one of those groups like it's fun it was fun to be a fan of [TS]

  Apple when steve was really at its peak between 4:30 before he died but it's fun [TS]

  to be a fan of a crazy billionaire company that's doing crazy good things [TS]

  jeff has always almost been that kind of person but [TS]

  not that kind of person Steve Jobs definitely was and i think you must have [TS]

  that kind of person and where ya he's he's out of his mind but is also a [TS]

  genius and he also is very different to keep making really interesting products [TS]

  that are pushing things forward in the in this area that the team that is [TS]

  working it and so i think i think what Tesla is doing is really cool even if I [TS]

  don't end up buying one which will buy one I have pretty much decided that now [TS]

  but it's just really cool to be in one of those fandoms of these kind of [TS]

  products but he's crazy billionaires again because they they do things that [TS]

  seem so audacious and when when they do them well it's really nice and an apple [TS]

  did it well and now Tessa seems to be doing it well and so that's vertical [TS]

  Activision is kind of like a crazy billionaire Mishra destiny wow very good [TS]

  for Activision they are simply crazy [TS]

  for Activision they are simply crazy [TS]

  I made the mistake of going to the grocery store today I figured you know [TS]

  if I go yes Thanksgiving week but if I go on Monday at New no one else is gonna [TS]

  be there is a way too early and at the middle of the day people take off the [TS]

  whole week I think I don't understand where everybody was when I went to work [TS]

  today it was a little traffic there was a lot of people in the parking lot don't [TS]

  go to the the any food many places that sell food or beverages this week all of [TS]

  the traffic was in my grocery store's parking lot apparently everybody else in [TS]

  the world had the same idea that I did no one's gonna be there on Monday at [TS]

  noon i didnt i didnt know you live in a retirement community we need something [TS]

  fun and clever to start the show it maybe we can do a little bit of [TS]

  follow-up John's favorite topic [TS]

  the internet has given us a gift today and by the internet I mean David Collett [TS]

  lead I'm so sorry that I probably pronounced it wrong but david has given [TS]

  us the John Siracusa paper doll kit which this is really a call out to [TS]

  reconcile differences which this is this is a different privacy has confused [TS]

  about what we're doing that I know this was followed is John keep up or taken [TS]

  out with john why are you acknowledging the fallout has a solid meaning and you [TS]

  are arguing over what it is I don't know what followed me and so I know this is a [TS]

  topic they were probably talked about it on that other podcasts like when you say [TS]

  it like area on another network we can even a mule's but it's fine if you wanna [TS]

  do paper dolls fun guy just I wanted to be just wanted to call everyone's [TS]

  attention to this absolutely phenomenal tweet from from David with the John [TS]

  Surtees a paper doll your nose was a little read off each for my taste if [TS]

  that's a style that's not that's not a reflection on my actual knows didn't [TS]

  even notice the Clinton in 1992 shirt that's very few knew what the Rangers [TS]

  look like I should [TS]

  they're printing us out for my kids to play with my god they would have the ATP [TS]

  shared addition obviously can we get this printed on like a sheet of magnet [TS]

  things that you could actually is that is like a company that does that I'm [TS]

  sure is that he's done some other pictures of me as well as they go on [TS]

  we're running back you know that one it's the layers are in folders [TS]

  accessories torso pants footwear so you can add this is this actually you don't [TS]

  even need many can actually talk about everything right from here as long as [TS]

  you're willing to launch Photoshop as a people been doing with a composed the [TS]

  different versions of me still put a link to the belief that we will put a [TS]

  link to the website where you can see all this stuff is really is incredible [TS]

  said you guys are we all did a very terrible job explain why does exist [TS]

  yeah that's true anyway I'm reconcilable differences which is about guess it with [TS]

  marlon man we talked about closing at one point and this is my phones idea [TS]

  that someone should make a paper doll version of me to help dress me he got [TS]

  into his head that that he wants to do a makeover like that you know those are [TS]

  clear I type shows us where there's someone who doesn't have any fashion [TS]

  sense and other people with fashion sense want to fix him that's what he [TS]

  wants to do to make her want other people to do to me so he go paper dolls [TS]

  tattoos tattoos lear is a question mark after in the layer 2 because there is [TS]

  none [TS]

  get that one that nobody talks about well really get to use personally have [TS]

  never ever ever ever desire to have a tattoo on the internet you know that [TS]

  means they gonna have won six months now [TS]

  goodness knows anything I would want anything I would like enough to put on [TS]

  my body like a it would probably be like some sort of consumer BS but be [TS]

  inevitably I would end up Adrian so I can imagine so I love so I have I have [TS]

  configured now the rugby shirt jeans asics shoes and the and the John glasses [TS]

  but the boat I it's a fantastic combination hear both sides are cool and [TS]

  you would get that reference on TV I got nothing what's up for TV shows my butt [TS]

  which speaking of it I think I've gotten to the point that I hate listen to top [TS]

  four because so much of what you guys say I've never listened to a podcast [TS]

  makes you want to yell at him or i think is working as designed as far as I can [TS]

  tell how do I think you're right I absolutely think he right in the thing [TS]

  is like I genuinely do enjoy the show in there are times like i I tweeted it both [TS]

  of you earlier today I genuinely thought that the way you handled the pizza [TS]

  discussion was perfect because without question it is so much easier to find [TS]

  good pizza in New York or the surrounding area than anywhere else [TS]

  don't say it don't say but there is good pizza we had another places which I did [TS]

  say what you said but I assume I will hate it when I know I thought Marco you [TS]

  guys both handled it perfectly I really did create it's it's just like that the [TS]

  standard john was a bow tie if I don't think the most I fits with their rugby [TS]

  shirt I don't think that's it doesn't that doesn't fit I think you should try [TS]

  this one day maybe next year to BBC something like that [TS]

  showed us my wife who said why do you look so angry angry about either being [TS]

  half naked are about other people dressing me I can't imagine you be [TS]

  incredibly happy about either of those states so I think it's it's the [TS]

  appropriate expression but anyway I I was I was very happy with how you handle [TS]

  that but I think part of me so perturbed at top four days because I don't like [TS]

  Indian food with the exception of non which is delightful but the thing of it [TS]

  is very very well could be that I've just made terrible choices whenever I've [TS]

  gone for Indian food even know what I've eaten but I can tell you I'm not like [TS]

  any of it and in so I was very perturbed that Indian ranked so high on your list [TS]

  however I concur with pizza I concur with Panera and delis I think you're a [TS]

  little harsh and Quiznos subway but I can get past that I mean if if if you're [TS]

  in a place where the best options you have are Quiznos or subway just go to [TS]

  the grocery store and buy cold cuts make it better that like it at that [TS]

  wanna see what I did live in those places that's what I did because it was [TS]

  better for the most part I did agree with most of what you guys said so and [TS]

  you can't forgive that the subway triangle cheese tessellation issue I [TS]

  guess you are spot on that I completely agree to give context to this this is [TS]

  top for the podcast Marco does with his wife and they supposedly whatever top [TS]

  for take-out restaurant stop for Halloween candies what they actually do [TS]

  on the show is only vaguely related to that and they're now lately both having [TS]

  trouble coming up with up for anything and almost there pains a terribly wrong [TS]

  anyway that's the show and it sure we conclude the advertiser podcast sections [TS]

  of the spot yes yes you should complain about the fact that I have brought up [TS]

  the to podcast that my co-host have done [TS]

  I have not brought up any of my extracurriculars but yes he continued to [TS]

  be upset John that's that's just your personality casey you didn't even [TS]

  mention robot or not [TS]

  well now we have to bring up the income people you are on the income people [TS]

  especially your show no one ever showed only I understood that reference right [TS]

  now that you've ruined follow out for me just as you had planned to use them [TS]

  follow up and talk about what been wrote in and said I thought you would never [TS]

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  beautiful night so John tell us in this follow-up section what Benji wrote in [TS]

  and said we're talking about the iPad pro screen and how it wasn't quite as [TS]

  good in terms of color accuracy is as service pro for it not also not as good [TS]

  as some of the earlier iPad screens Apple had made her the smaller ones [TS]

  anyway and I wondered if it was kind of a shame that it didn't have the new set [TS]

  of a wide spectrum or whatever the correct term is that large damage anyway [TS]

  display that the iMac does that the cp3 specification which is bigger than RGB [TS]

  and then run that one of the reasons that I petrol can't do that is because [TS]

  it requires an RGB backlight so these Koreans that we call it STDs but [TS]

  sometimes all LEDs LED just refers the backlight so you've got a bunch of you [TS]

  got this semi transparent thing in front but little colored section is that you [TS]

  can turn on and off in different mountain behind it [TS]

  behind most computers have a big white light on all the time [TS]

  over the entire screen for computer screens anyway and apparently the iMac [TS]

  has instead of a big white light behind it and RGB backlight so the back like [TS]

  that can be different colors instead of just white and I didn't know that I know [TS]

  televisions do that on television and also to wear tricks with the backlight [TS]

  to try to make the image look better but it makes sense that if the iMac as an [TS]

  orgy of a cloud perhaps they can't get that small enough for low-power enough [TS]

  to be a pro just yet [TS]

  company had to wake up more years I guess they're not but I did not know [TS]

  that I really didn't have any idea that there was an RGB back that's very cool [TS]

  tell me about iMac insomnia do my wife's new 27 inch iMac [TS]

  was saying last week that kid seems to have insomnia put to sleep and animal [TS]

  wake up again or will just walk away from the computer after using it and [TS]

  then come back an hour later it still awake and I wasn't quite able to figure [TS]

  out why lots of listeners sent in suggestions [TS]

  one coming along with the IR receiver if it's in the line of sight of something [TS]

  that sprays I are like a remote control or one of those IR blaster things or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  conceivable that the IR receiver on a Mac which I guess it has won I don't [TS]

  know but have an uneven check did have one theory is that for our computers to [TS]

  do have an IR receiver if it's near your television or something like that you [TS]

  could keep it away just with IR input I don't know that theory is correct [TS]

  because i think is that fine line of sight of any I R and I don't even know [TS]

  if my thing has IR receiver probably does but anyway the next guess was [TS]

  Bluetooth if you go to the Bluetooth preference pane this is annoying this is [TS]

  an inside Energy Saver Bluetooth preference pane then you have to click [TS]

  on Advanced then there's a checkbox that says allow Bluetooth devices to wake [TS]

  this computer and that was checked by default so I unchecked it and I think my [TS]

  problems are solved but I've got that the reason that feature exists that you [TS]

  have my Mac if you get it with the recommended Apple crappy cripples [TS]

  Bluetooth keyboard and the recommended bluetooth mouse then you don't have your [TS]

  mouse or keyboard connected with a wire to computers on your computer was asleep [TS]

  if you don't have the setting checked and you hit the spacebar like to wake up [TS]

  your computer or wiggle the mouse or click the mouse button or something [TS]

  the computer on actually wake up I don't have that problem we've got a wired [TS]

  keyboard attached to it actually a USB mouse that's so i'll check that thing [TS]

  and so far so good the computer has not had insomnia it hasn't woken up [TS]

  spontaneously and go to sleep it stays asleep so I'm pretty well convinced that [TS]

  I solve my problem exxon I would never would have guessed it was Bluetooth [TS]

  acting up but I'm glad to figure that out I also don't understand how you [TS]

  could have wires on your desktop [TS]

  you know teacher it's a keyboard tray so the wires are going to anything [TS]

  he portrayed the right height you know but the desk at the right to low and [TS]

  then you need some of the the computer oh yeah that's easier than managing [TS]

  keyboard I think the main reason wife like the keyboard tray is that it gives [TS]

  her more room to jump on the desk because he didn't hire service desk in [TS]

  front of you is free for like having papers and stuff like sometimes it's [TS]

  good to be like referring to note I'm just piling stuff but really it's [TS]

  convenient I think I would even if I didn't need to forget positioning you [TS]

  never had like a despot that went up and down I get it right in fact I had to [TS]

  work my desk at work has somewhat adjustable and I tried putting it down [TS]

  to a level that it should be for the keyboard and I just like the desk higher [TS]

  and the little train journey that's what I'm used to any other follow that was [TS]

  another quick round of all very proud of us well this is a trip here time after [TS]

  the after the last episode I'm sure yeah and also its its low for the holidays I [TS]

  feel like we need to have like a laid-back episode 42 drink added realize [TS]

  that was the plan [TS]

  yeah right to speak of holidays John you came up with an idea for this episode [TS]

  yet because we're recording this on a Monday only a few days after record the [TS]

  last episode because our offer our holiday is Thanksgiving holiday [TS]

  vacations and travels and so on I thought what better way to celebrate [TS]

  Thanksgiving which is a holiday here in the us- people outside the US can look [TS]

  it up its pretty down as far as hot as hell but anyway it is a holiday and we [TS]

  get off a little slow down you gonna have to explain yourself on that one [TS]

  it's it's one of those holiday is the really is [TS]

  doesn't really make much sense it's not really that historically significant [TS]

  it's only because the people involved in it where the important enough people to [TS]

  celebrate something like they're celebrating the story of Thanksgiving [TS]

  but bottom line is we you know people European countries are all the [TS]

  indigenous people took all the plant and not feel guilty for it and stuff but [TS]

  heavy hearted kind of celebrating how nice it was that we all cooperated is [TS]

  like weird like yeah and then we live together happily ever after right now we [TS]

  don't anyway it's not as bad as Columbus Day but it's close but we don't care [TS]

  because it's just the holiday season and we have turkey and got around with [TS]

  family and argue about politics are your Thanksgiving is going to go I don't make [TS]

  this into a downer bottom line is we get off work at 10 straight to his party but [TS]

  only for Thursday you have to take a vacation day for Friday or just you know [TS]

  be retired like some of us are mile even Marco has to visit family at [TS]

  Thanksgiving Thanksgiving I would I would rather work for the rest of the [TS]

  year full time than deal with Thanksgiving family drama untrue you [TS]

  don't know my family [TS]

  well I don't know why I think you underestimate what it would be like to [TS]

  work for the rest of the year waking up and getting into an office and [TS]

  committing to going to get in the middle of this anyway I don't do a downer [TS]

  Thanksgiving which I get that even though the stupid holiday it is a [TS]

  holiday and one of the good things about thanksgiving is a time of year when in [TS]

  theory you are supposed to reflect on what you are thankful for that is [TS]

  usually the part of the evening before people get drunk and angry and started [TS]

  politics sometimes occur on the table and say and say what you think you'll [TS]

  fall for or whatever whoever has the most willing and able to induce [TS]

  embarrassment in your extended family using make this happen so i guess im [TS]

  filling that role here on the podcast [TS]

  asked the assembled get a group of house what 2015 issue check things are we most [TS]

  thankful for that have to be this year they could be like a three or four year [TS]

  old text you just discovered this year I don't need your framing is loose but [TS]

  anyway what kind of things are we thankful for anything that is going [TS]

  around in circles until we're all exhausted and don't have anything left [TS]

  to be thankful for [TS]

  ok I'm a list of real I really was trying not to invoke the ghost like well [TS]

  not the most thankful for this but it's probably round 945 actually have 50 [TS]

  number five [TS]

  very clear number one alright alright I'll market seems like he's ready to go [TS]

  first so yeah I did not do my homework on this I thought about it like 10 [TS]

  minutes about half an hour ago you could have markers doing more homework than I [TS]

  am something is seriously broke three days notice I know I just can't go ahead [TS]

  Marco well Mike my clear number one I thought it immediately when you said [TS]

  this and there is no contest and DNS responder section number one so so for [TS]

  the if anybody doesn't get the joke this is the the old version of the old [TS]

  version of discovery D which is the system diamond that's responsible on [TS]

  Macs and iOS devices for network name lookup finding Bonjour devices etc or [TS]

  whatever it was called you know that's the news because you write anyway so so [TS]

  it's it's very much responsible for like Macs and Apple devices finding other [TS]

  servers and devices on the network and coordinating things with them so for [TS]

  things like file-sharing probably involved in things like airdrop [TS]

  definitely no network shares Apple TV kind of stuff airplay and discover ed [TS]

  was the new version of this the rewrite of this ship with yosemite and with iOS [TS]

  ate it was so buggy and caused so many problems for so many people you know if [TS]

  if if during the era of yosemite I was eight if you if you ever had things like [TS]

  other matching your network disappear and just not be visible [TS]

  finder for browsing or for sharing or if you had things like you have the [TS]

  computer name with a number after it like you know tips computers and it's [TS]

  like what and where it and some reason to believe that some of that that was [TS]

  the kind of problems with this but it caused so many other problems that some [TS]

  people just got lucky like the HDMI CEC unicorn than just never had it I hit all [TS]

  of these problems you have problems like you know certain like network printers [TS]

  that had greater faces with frequently fail and just never be connectable [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  airplay would fail constantly airdrop would fail constantly so many problems [TS]

  with with various network and inter inter Mac inter island communication [TS]

  things and this is honestly this is a major driver behind my well circulated [TS]

  peace applesauce the function of high ground from last winter because it it [TS]

  shipped with your assembly and iOS in the fall of 2014 and it took until what [TS]

  summertime something that before they issued an update that reverted back to [TS]

  the old server discovery d back in the old one and DNS responder which just fix [TS]

  all the problems and so it it was a good six months as some like that of using [TS]

  this and the number of problems I encountered for the six months just made [TS]

  me question everything about Apple just like how could they possibly have let [TS]

  this go for so long [TS]

  ship this and it was making all the stuff that makes Apple devices usually [TS]

  pleasant it like so much it was crumbling or was leased unreliable for [TS]

  me and when when they went back to MDS responder massive amount of these [TS]

  problems just disappeared immediately for me and so now I can do things like [TS]

  browse the iTunes share from the Apple TV and watch movies that are on my home [TS]

  server on the Apple TV and stuff like that I can reliably connect to the Mac [TS]

  Mini deserve this lifestyle I can reliably connect computer and share [TS]

  files my can print it works every time like this is stuff that used to work [TS]

  very reliably didn't for like six months and now does again so number one by far [TS]

  from me is the return of Mtns responder the number one thing [TS]

  is really just a sly way to complain about something no I you know i i wanted [TS]

  you know I run an update article when you know once I was pretty sure that [TS]

  this would fix everything and I really want to be clear that it was really bad [TS]

  before and also I'm really happy now because now they have fix that massive [TS]

  class problems and Apple stuff has all sorts of other problems still and you [TS]

  know I'm sure we will spend we will spare no moment talking about those but [TS]

  that really did fix a ton of them that I was having and I and it it says a lot of [TS]

  an apple that they were you know that was a big mistake to ship that and to [TS]

  stick with it for so long but it does say a lot about Apple that rather than [TS]

  just like double down that in just like try to crank through and figure out all [TS]

  the problems they said no we go back like I don't think they've really done [TS]

  that very often and I can't even imagine what had to go on inside the company to [TS]

  to convince you ever need to be convinced to roll back to abandon this [TS]

  whole rewrite of this thing to roll back to the previous version but I'm really [TS]

  glad I did because it really did fix a massive number of problems I was having [TS]

  as I mentioned in this originally happened and DNS responder had a [TS]

  terrible reputation in nearly a year is about 10 because it was the process that [TS]

  it was always hanging in making stuff not work on your computer [TS]

  all I kinda like basic functionality of connecting to server isn't loading web [TS]

  pages the solid value to kill him responders home runs constantly crashing [TS]

  and eventually got to the point where I guess it was stable but their prime [TS]

  motivator plays it because it was old and crusty and never really work right [TS]

  and they had run out most of the bugs but it was still probably like not easy [TS]

  to change or add features to like you know handoff where the hell I don't even [TS]

  know if that was what what their motivation for discovery to you but it [TS]

  was but I was that every time they've gone and replaced some part of the [TS]

  system with some newer thing that something you have to do that you just [TS]

  gotta not screwed up like the the idea behind the effort was good execution was [TS]

  bad so I really hope that if not discovery did something else comes back [TS]

  because [TS]

  it's not like they're replacing these things for their health their visit [TS]

  motivation behind it as they just botched execution it will also show [TS]

  notes to our friend of the show Craig Hockenberry who talked about this a [TS]

  little bit strong language is preggers little perturbed but it's really good [TS]

  writeup as to what went wrong in with their discovery and why right shall I go [TS]

  next on would you prefer to go now europe is alright because I didn't have [TS]

  a lot of time to third didn't spend a lot of time thinking about this my my [TS]

  selection has my entire discovered here and you know the first thing I'm [TS]

  thankful for which I'm really really excited about is actually live photos I [TS]

  really really really enjoy life photos that you can make an argument that it's [TS]

  gimmicky and maybe it is and maybe in a few years I think it's silly but sitting [TS]

  here now I love life photos being able to have a little bit of context around [TS]

  what's happening especially when you have a really young child in the house [TS]

  is really really awesome and there's been a couple of life photos that I've [TS]

  gotten just by pure happenstance that have been really awesome like once I [TS]

  took a picture Declan when we were out to eat and and he decided to make this [TS]

  like just mammoth Eon right as I taking the pictures so you can see this like [TS]

  huge yawn as he's as he's eating at this restaurant and it it sounds silly [TS]

  describing it but it was just the funniest lie photo and I don't know that [TS]

  I I don't know that I would have captured that moment had it not been for [TS]

  the fact that what I thought was the picture was actually a very very short [TS]

  movie and so I love live photos I the only thing I don't like about life [TS]

  photos now it makes me question whether or not I want to use my big semi fancy [TS]

  camera or my i phone to take pictures and generally speaking I do you reach [TS]

  for the big camera but it doesn't make me feel guilty anymore if I don't have [TS]

  the big camera handy when trying to capture shot because I love having my [TS]

  context they have burst mode on your big fancy camera I do when I never ever ever [TS]

  use it though [TS]

  blast away make your own live pictures and maybe that's one way of looking at [TS]

  it but I very rarely shooting burst mode and the handful times I've done it [TS]

  it has come out pretty well but then I'd have to post-process it turned into a [TS]

  movie and blah blah blah not to say that this is egregious but it's it's it's [TS]

  pretty magical just whipping out the thing that the phone that's in your [TS]

  pocket and snapping a picture and having that little bit of context behind it I [TS]

  just really really love it kind of in that vein I I'd like to this anomalous [TS]

  sorry John is par for the course [TS]

  yes yes it exactly right like to add to that just how incredibly good the video [TS]

  is from the iPhone's success success + [TS]

  this year I finally after seven years of created my main good camera from a Canon [TS]

  5d mark two to the Sony a seven are too and it's a fantastic hammer in every way [TS]

  and I love this thing I I love the pictures I get out of the Sony it's [TS]

  incredible it is incredibly expensive too so it's not for everybody but when [TS]

  you buy a camera every seven years it's it's it can be justifiable but anyway [TS]

  love love this camera and it shoots for k video and it's one of the it's one of [TS]

  the relatively few cameras on the market for a video there's they're getting [TS]

  warmer numerous but they're still relatively few in number but the [TS]

  iPhone's success came out and the success also shoots for k video and [TS]

  having shot now with both of them a reasonable amount the difference between [TS]

  them is not that big like here here's a scammer that's being hailed as one of [TS]

  the best cameras overall ever made and one of the best camera that can shoot [TS]

  for K and the camera that's an every iPhone of the current generation shoots [TS]

  for k video that to my as a casual observer is almost just as good [TS]

  equality you get out of this out of the iPhone 4 came granted it isn't 60 frames [TS]

  per second it's only 30 I don't have it I don't know what shoots for K sixty for [TS]

  his second but it's never seen anything that offered that it seems like for k [TS]

  everywhere these days basically 30 but if you're going to deal with the lower [TS]

  frame rate it looks incredible just to have that resolution it really does look [TS]

  like a moving photo it's just it looks like a real life photo [TS]

  and live photos are great like you know they're they're great for when he didn't [TS]

  intend to take a video but when you do intend to take a video the quality you [TS]

  can get out of the iPhone camera in for k mode is just ridiculously good and for [TS]

  people like us who have kids and get all sentimental about how how Peter kids are [TS]

  it is just stunning how how much this captures life in the way it looks in [TS]

  real life and I'm very very glad to have this because you know most [TS]

  almost every parent at some point says you know I really wish I shot more video [TS]

  I really really with a shot more photos and and i've been that way for video [TS]

  certainly but you know we should plenty of photos but we don't shoot another [TS]

  video yeah I'm the same way I reflect and look back on on the pictures and [TS]

  video of taken in the last year just over a year old now and I couldn't agree [TS]

  more that I've taken a lot of really great pictures I'm really proud of the [TS]

  pictures I've taken but I haven't shot near enough video and and I think that [TS]

  part of the problem is is that it's not often especially early in life like [TS]

  super early in life that that I can capture something that's quote-unquote [TS]

  remarkable as it's happening and I think that that's the wrong attitude to have [TS]

  and I should be better about just capturing everyday life because it'll be [TS]

  interesting to look at maybe not know year five years maybe in ten or twenty [TS]

  years and so I'm trying to train myself to to start taking video of things that [TS]

  seemed really boring and like you were saying Marco I I really really like that [TS]

  this camera that's in my pocket always takes forte video which is kind of it's [TS]

  kind of an insurance policy right you know there will eventually be video that [TS]

  is crisper than forte but sitting here in 2015 that's the case gonna look [TS]

  pretty good for a while I think in and so I'm really happy that I'm getting [TS]

  really high resolution video out of the camera I am most likely to have on me [TS]

  always yeah and it really does not look like it like an inferior quality camera [TS]

  when you're shooting for k with the iPhone it does not seem inferior quality [TS]

  at all in fact like you know compared to my liking a quote real and it is not a [TS]

  dedicated video camera but a lot of people use these things for video the [TS]

  things like the audio actually better the audio is way better on the [TS]

  iPhone the autofocus is way better on the iPhone it shouldn't be there's no [TS]

  reason why it should be hardware wise the Sony cases but in so many ways but [TS]

  the iPhone just has like really nice automatic default and has really good [TS]

  audio processing such that you with with no effort you get pretty great video out [TS]

  of the iPhone compared to this you know professional camera it's amazing how [TS]

  good it is so yeah I'm very thankful for how good the success is shooting video [TS]

  because it is making me shoot more video and 8044 parenting nostalgia purposes [TS]

  that is just awesome don't forget to take videos of your kids screaming and [TS]

  crying because it's my kids when they're smiling or happy take pictures of their [TS]

  crying and take video so they can hear the noise that they made because they [TS]

  don't believe you when you try to describe it and sometimes it's nice to [TS]

  look back when you're far distant from and I remember that terrible screeching [TS]

  that didn't leave our house [TS]

  declan's smiling anyway at some point has to be screaming crying capture that [TS]

  yeah yeah we tried to occasionally bring that up because they just before the [TS]

  show we were talking we when we were at my parents this past weekend we did like [TS]

  a literally five or ten minute photo shoot with them where they took a bunch [TS]

  of pictures of the three of us that would maybe they will may be used for [TS]

  Christmas card this year and I think the pictures look good but declan's kind of [TS]

  like nonplussed about the whole thing and you know oftentimes he's pretty [TS]

  easily it's pretty easy to make him pretty happy and in these he's kinda [TS]

  like whatever man and I were discussing well you know that is a better [TS]

  representation of real life because he's usually a fairly chipper kid but he's [TS]

  not always know super excited about everything and so we were debating and [TS]

  didn't really reach a conclusion before before I came into record you know maybe [TS]

  we should just use one of those and and that's okay and so I'm trying to do [TS]

  better about capturing the annoyed Declan in the upset as time goes on [TS]

  jonathan is your turn alright well you might think since I suggested this [TS]

  exercise that I have some like really clever interesting [TS]

  things I know this but i dont lose your job I'm just the idea so my first one [TS]

  might be a surprise but I don't think so [TS]

  based on what I've talked about it's it's it's kinda like Marquez is like a [TS]

  qualified recommendation what is the first thing I thought of the first thing [TS]

  I'm thankful for this year is photos Apple's photo thing where they finally [TS]

  gave away that had access to all your photos everywhere and to put all your [TS]

  photos up in the cloud and charger money to the storage but the prices are not so [TS]

  bad I've had a lot of weird issues with it but I have to say all the bugs and [TS]

  stuff that I've encountered so far have been delays not roadblocks like it's [TS]

  done weird things that's been spooky and it's been weird but always eventually at [TS]

  the end of it I come out the other side with a far as I'm aware fully [TS]

  functioning and working library that is all synced up and is in the clouds [TS]

  everywhere and is available on the phones and now on my Mac photos actually [TS]

  performs an acceptable manner most of the time still ignores my spacebar about [TS]

  50% of the time when I had it but anyway it's got a long way to go but I like the [TS]

  fact that is a fairly new program that already been updated and the update has [TS]

  added minor features and performance and I'm just glad that Apple finally has [TS]

  gotten their photo library online and on to their servers and you know not [TS]

  stranded on my machine they still have a long way to go when it comes to dealing [TS]

  with families and multiple for libraries but this possible things I'm thankful [TS]

  for complaints policy so this really does get the John Siracusa seal of [TS]

  approval [TS]

  well it's just because it's so much better than i photo like and you know [TS]

  people who use our services like they use Google or you know Amazon's cloud [TS]

  storage or whatever the saying this is the only solution for in fact it's [TS]

  probably not even the best solution for everything that I've heard Google [TS]

  storage solution seems to be much more reliable more features and be really [TS]

  cool I just we've always had our photos in iPhoto and so photos is the obvious [TS]

  and only you know transition to stay in the Apple TV Apple ecosystem and [TS]

  iPhoto like towards the end of its life was really terrible but in the beginning [TS]

  and middle it was pretty good especially when I library with smaller so I'm glad [TS]

  that Apple's continue to develop a program that essentially did import my [TS]

  iPhoto library in the same way to coalesce my ratings down into favorite [TS]

  ok with that [TS]

  yeah so like I still have any complaints about it but it's just so long for them [TS]

  to do the obvious thing we all talked about ever picks in Merced when it went [TS]

  out of business and now I'm getting all their pictures and make it so that they [TS]

  do not all be on the device but you have access to them everywhere [TS]

  good idea Apple have been very trigger shy on photos pretty worried about user [TS]

  and picture life which I really really like and I been afraid to really get [TS]

  into photos just because it's always felt like I was I didn't want to trust [TS]

  apple with this because I don't want to go bad even though I have backups like I [TS]

  picture life now have two or three copies locally but it just scared me but [TS]

  to hear that it pretty much has a chance to seal of approval I might change my [TS]

  tune but you shouldn't though I always say is it's like online backup you just [TS]

  have to have you should everyone should be doing this if you have your photo [TS]

  library there should be some place that you uploaded to the picture life it's [TS]

  Google authority without those things where ever it is the whole point should [TS]

  be that worst-case scenario you should still have online backup and you still [TS]

  have local backup you still have local clones but I like having like yet [TS]

  another thing that it actually dedicated to photos that despite all those things [TS]

  those described by using back later or you know time machine or super duper [TS]

  clones you know you're backing up over your network to whatever is on top of [TS]

  that have another thing that says oh and by the way every time you take a picture [TS]

  with your phone gets uploaded to the cloud thing and then get downloaded onto [TS]

  your Mac and every time you import photos from the sdcard onto gets [TS]

  uploaded to the cloud and download on your phone [TS]

  and you don't have to have all your whores everywhere but on a particular [TS]

  Mac you can say please download it for is everywhere the one with the big hard [TS]

  drive having that extra system on top of all your backups just makes me feel [TS]

  better about pictures so it doesn't really matter if it's photos a picture [TS]

  of life or you go back in time you've ever picks or other products you might [TS]

  discuss later part of the show if we don't go long on this thanksgiving stuff [TS]

  yeah I'm not specifically endorsing photos I'm endorsing the idea of Apple [TS]

  doing the obvious thing for photo services and it not being terrible yeah [TS]

  and you know and we will we have been talking and many people been talking [TS]

  before they announce this like their other various photo solutions they like [TS]

  photostream before this kind of like a half solution and we we've been calling [TS]

  them to do something like this forever but no one thought they actually would [TS]

  and then not only did they do it but it was good even free version 1.0 it wasn't [TS]

  perfect but it was pretty good and end the imperfections are only limited [TS]

  relate to the front and app the actual back in the storage in the sinking [TS]

  engine in my experience and I think I think most experienced worked solidly [TS]

  from day one there was always like I said there was there is bugs but like as [TS]

  long as they're not intractable a lot of times early on people like that it had a [TS]

  bunch of black squares or am i thinkI feeli get that thinks that history [TS]

  upload everything like and it's mistaken about that or all sorts of problems [TS]

  we're either operations of taking a long time there are a couple of like crashing [TS]

  in the middle of the import of whatever but the bottom line is if you just kept [TS]

  trying eventually it reached a point where it's settled down which is not [TS]

  true of for example the time machine and spotlight last time but never settle [TS]

  down vote the best you can say about viruses sometimes it's geared up 1.0 had [TS]

  weird bugs but in my personal experience is I never had the new can pay right [TS]

  some people did so you know obviously it's not that it's it's both of my [TS]

  personal experiences even when it was weird just eventually powered through [TS]

  with me not doing anything other than [TS]

  and maybe repeatedly trying and settles into a state now where would I take a [TS]

  photo on my wife takes August the library's her as i dont wanna get into [TS]

  this anyway on the phone and then go to the Mac eventually the picture shows up [TS]

  and that's all I ask for again because he liked to that they really the Photos [TS]

  app is very very good and it was very good since 1.0 and it's only gotten [TS]

  better with 1.1 and I still do all my editing first for a photoshoot with with [TS]

  the big hammer I still do anything first and Lightroom and then I kinda like pick [TS]

  and pick and editing Lightroom and then export as for quality JPEG into photos [TS]

  because I i dont care for photos editing tools too much but for iPhone shot [TS]

  pictures to find and on the iPhone like having had bility and and you know my my [TS]

  fancy pictures once I do like a first pass at it with Lightroom I'm probably [TS]

  never gonna talk soon after that you know it's just do their export into the [TS]

  library that's faster is it doesn't have the giant rock how to deal with and it's [TS]

  nice it really is nice I i I have no I have no regrets about photo library [TS]

  second spots this week is automatic on AXA connected car adapter that plugs [TS]

  into your car's diagnostic port pairs with your phone and agreed to there were [TS]

  20 apps to do a better driving experience go to automatic com slash ATP [TS]

  see for yourself in a 20% off now automatic and help you in several ways [TS]

  first of all basic stuff if you have a check engine error in your car engine [TS]

  ECU air automatic can tell you through the phone [TS]

  exactly what the area is and in many cases let you clear the arafat something [TS]

  temporary like your gas cap was open it has all the data coming in from your car [TS]

  I can tell you things like how efficiently you're driving if you want [TS]

  to hit certain goals can alert you if you like hitting the brakes too hard hit [TS]

  the gas too hard it can also tell you a lot of your trips if you want to track [TS]

  that he can do things like have expense reports we're driving you can just see [TS]

  where you go to most if you want it can keep your party locations you never lose [TS]

  your car in a parking lot if you have an accident and it detects that the port [TS]

  you can even call emergency services for you if you are unable to [TS]

  it can really do quite a bit now they also have an app store with automatic [TS]

  Automattic com slash apps you can see over 20 amp so far more being added all [TS]

  the time you can use your car's data in all kinds of different ways so for [TS]

  example they have a trigger with ifttt if this thing that you can build recipes [TS]

  for things like turning my nest thermostat when I'm close to home [TS]

  also have apps for things like concur and fresh books for invoices and expense [TS]

  reports people watch integration license plus if you have a teenager who is [TS]

  learning how to drive and you wanna can attract the driving and make sure that [TS]

  they are you driving in a scene com safe way you can do that with this there's [TS]

  also the things you can do with the automatic device and of course [TS]

  developers check this out because you can do a lot here too they have a whole [TS]

  epi using OAuth to REST API check it out very very easy to use now [TS]

  automatic is normally a hundred bucks and there's no subscription fees [TS]

  there's no monthly fee or anything you just pay that one price up front and [TS]

  then that's it you don't have to pay for the service every month so normally this [TS]

  press front is a hundred bucks they have a link if you go to a match.com / ATP [TS]

  you get 20% off so it just 80 bucks and again [TS]

  80 bucks up front one time and that's it no recurring costs that includes free [TS]

  shipping in two business days and a 45 day risk-free return policy [TS]

  check it out and automatic home / ATP thanks a lot [TS]

  alright Marco do you want to go again or do you want to try to reverse the order [TS]

  here just make your next ok my number two after my only other and I gotta have [TS]

  a 1.2 1.3 my next one on the list john is the continued growth of podcasting I [TS]

  i have made I have really focused my career easily on podcasting on a number [TS]

  of fronts [TS]

  you know we do this podcast I have the pocket of my wife top for an epochal [TS]

  underscore David Smith an under the radar and of course I make a podcast app [TS]

  called overcast I i really busy thanks now I'm really I'm just very thankful [TS]

  that this industry continues to not only exist and be healthy but to thrive and [TS]

  grow I really I love podcasting I i love it as a listener I love it as a producer [TS]

  I love it as a programmer it is great there's tons of opportunity as a [TS]

  programmer at as a listener I podcasters in my life I'm I'm an epochal center for [TS]

  a long before I was really involved in them and I guess I gotta love listen to [TS]

  podcasts I don't have to explain it to most people think this probably and also [TS]

  as a podcaster I love the act of podcasting and I was I was kinda had [TS]

  this tweet tweet storming of the call it when he just too much money I think [TS]

  that's it you got it yeah it so I i treat all over the place earlier today [TS]

  about I been holding back a lot from blocking recently because the [TS]

  expectations and their reactions that you get out of blogging for me have [TS]

  become just really negative I whenever I've blogged and anything substantial [TS]

  recently I have often regretted it afterwards because the the the amount [TS]

  and the type of attention that results from it is is not good for me it's it's [TS]

  not pleasant it's it's not satisfying it actually just feel like a burden and it [TS]

  resulted in a lot of misunderstanding a lot of attention a lot of flames and a [TS]

  lot of sensationalism that that I just do not want blocking also takes a long [TS]

  time no writing as difficult as it if you don't write you might I realize but [TS]

  writing is really quite difficult and time-consuming especially if you're [TS]

  trying to do it well it's very very hard to really do well if I wanted to do [TS]

  things like if I wanted to write this as a blog post of just like hearing i'm [TS]

  talking about how great podcasting as compared to blogging this would take me [TS]

  probably four hours to write a blog post and it wouldn't say it is when I can in [TS]

  a podcast I can basically with no preparation spew out random thoughts [TS]

  like this for about four minutes and have it all covered and have expressed [TS]

  pretty much all the same ideas [TS]

  possibly even better in in a more informal way that [TS]

  you people listening to this can hear me as a human being you know me from the [TS]

  context of the rest of the show and for any other shows you listen to the live [TS]

  in on you can give me the benefit of the doubt because you you have some sense of [TS]

  my personality from this and it just it just a much more humane medium so with [TS]

  podcasting I don't get many flames if I hardly ever get any kind of negativity [TS]

  about things I say in a podcast unable to get out way more ideas per unit of [TS]

  time effort put into it and it's it just feels better it's hard to explain in in [TS]

  in full how how it feels but i just think for me it is right now more [TS]

  natural communication floor mandame and a safer one because I'm kind of burnt [TS]

  out on the negativity to make it whenever I write anything you know this [TS]

  isn't to say I'm going to stop writing but I've certainly dramatically slowed [TS]

  down and it's no coincidence as I do more podcasts I write less because I [TS]

  just find podcasting works better for me right now and at this point in my life [TS]

  yeah I agree I've really been phenomenally lucky to have been a part [TS]

  of neutral love this show [TS]

  analog my other show unreal a family that my curly good job casey you did [TS]

  apply finally we keep setting up for the shot but it's both of you with a sports [TS]

  metaphor I'm very proud of you both anyway so and I've been very thankful to [TS]

  be a part of this and in to be able to participate in the end you know as we've [TS]

  discussed some of the show and i've discussed quite a bit on an analog I I [TS]

  have always felt some modicum of guilt for kind of having just found my way on [TS]

  here by accident but but but no other communities be really good to me and [TS]

  it's been a really phenomenal been phenomenally lucky to be a part of this [TS]

  and in a part of the community that we are in maybe next year we can finally [TS]

  convince you that like you didn't you aren't just like here accidentally like [TS]

  you are a host of the show you are one of three host of the show you are not [TS]

  just some guy who is stuck in a chair that I sit there while we thought [TS]

  yea time scale perhaps I'll believe that but but anyway I can hear John rolling [TS]

  his eyes right now we're all here accidentally is what I was thinking but [TS]

  now but it's it's been a really phenomenal and and I couldn't i couldn't [TS]

  be more thankful I was gonna make this job and really cheesy way but im gonna [TS]

  say it genuinely I couldn't be more thankful to be doing it with you to find [TS]

  gentleman and and and I'm really am so unbelievably proud of the work we've [TS]

  done here and unbelievably thankful that it's gone on as long as it happened and [TS]

  that any of you listening to this right now have have been stuck around in have [TS]

  chosen as long as you have so thank you to you guys and to everyone listening [TS]

  because this has been really phenomenal I think I'd write more if I didn't have [TS]

  a job [TS]

  amen brother Marcus Wright like you know if you podcast more like you can get a [TS]

  lot of ideas out but you would otherwise have to to write up in the pockets as I [TS]

  got my system you feel like you did you have something you just need to express [TS]

  right but mainly for me I feel like it's just not enough hours in the day and [TS]

  it's just so much more efficient to scramble for a couple minutes on a [TS]

  podcast you feel like well got that out of my system when it would take longer [TS]

  to write it in but I feel like if I had it in have to go to work every day I [TS]

  have all the showers and I probably would do the thing that Marcos and [TS]

  occasionally and so you know less so now that I might anything anymore [TS]

  practically but like where you either talk about something on a podcast and [TS]

  inspires you to write it up or you write something on your blog and that inspires [TS]

  you to talk about on the podcast that that's energy I still enjoy I just never [TS]

  have time for the part you write anything [TS]

  fair enough as it is I make it my turn I take it does alright so I'd actually [TS]

  this is a little bit of a cop out but I have other options as well I actually AM [TS]

  super thankful for my big semi fancy camera I have an Olympus om-d cm10 which [TS]

  is a terrible name it is a Micro Four Thirds camera and for a long time [TS]

  especially after Marco and tippen and Aaron I got reacquainted after mark when [TS]

  I lost touch for a long time I've always been jealous of what I'm looking for but [TS]

  I've always been intrigued by really nice camera equipment in and be a novel [TS]

  ways fancied myself like interested in photography but I wouldn't say I've ever [TS]

  been particularly great at it but right before Dec was born we finally bought [TS]

  this Micro Four Thirds camera which was a fair bit of money I mean it was [TS]

  something like $15 for the camera and a couple under the body in a couple of [TS]

  lenses and I wasn't sure if it was really worth it [TS]

  and Aaron wasn't sure feels really worth it because you we had I think 6 and [TS]

  iPhone 6 at the time which take it takes and took really great pictures but I am [TS]

  so thankful for big digital cameras still being a thing because having a [TS]

  camera with with glass that's bigger than a finger tip just makes for some [TS]

  incredible pictures and it's been really it's been really awesome to see some of [TS]

  the pictures I've been able to capture of not only Declan but my whole family [TS]

  and extended family through this camera that really in the grand scheme of [TS]

  things is not that terribly much money and so I'm extraordinarily thankful that [TS]

  it exists and I'm extra extraordinarily thankful that I think that that i've [TS]

  i've been able to that I bought one in there have been able to make some decent [TS]

  pictures come out of this camera and so digital photography in general not just [TS]

  live photos that that's yeah I'm still jealous of all your nice cameras but i [TS]

  feel like im going two miles total library was gathering photos for holiday [TS]

  things as you do and also pleased with the performance of prison [TS]

  back enjoying the fact that I can grow and do stuff although I put an item in [TS]

  the notes about my latest photo complaints they don't want to do that [TS]

  for the last thing but to sit next week yeah but like as a swell backwards in [TS]

  time towards like my oldest child but the baby you do see the quality of the [TS]

  pictures go down I think it's going to be less pronounced for Declan because I [TS]

  think like you know the the curves start it [TS]

  level off a little bit because there's sort of the limit of the human visual [TS]

  system and what feature sizes you can resolve a typical distances and blah [TS]

  blah blah but we got our very first digital camera ever before my son was [TS]

  born my first child and was not very good quality early days and you can [TS]

  really see it so it's kind of a shame I can't go back in time with the fans are [TS]

  Cameron I think about maybe I'm thinking the same thing now with the current [TS]

  because I'm taking my kid with my camera that does not cost as much as a good [TS]

  used car they're fine they're good but I can tell the difference between my [TS]

  camera and a fancy camera like it's impossible not to be able to tell the [TS]

  difference especially if if there is not a hundred percent Blazing Sun light on a [TS]

  clear day then all of a sudden I can tell the difference so I'm very often do [TS]

  consider buying fancy camera and maybe someday will but for now I'm limping [TS]

  along with my so a superzoom cameras in my phone so that's not that bad I'm [TS]

  trying to figure out what used car that's pretty good you could get for [TS]

  $1,500 on the corner of course of course I John what else thankful for my next [TS]

  item on the list is probably not surprising boring to everybody who is [TS]

  tech nerd including both of you but I put them in this tiny babies that bill [TS]

  like this was not the summer of George this was the year of big SSDs in my [TS]

  house as he's been around forever to get it is the life of Bob time I am [TS]

  I'm not interested in talking put all my stuff even fusion drive came out I think [TS]

  was a really great idea and from all accounts is work really well Mike but [TS]

  for me I should hold out for all my crap honesty remember on podcast many years [TS]

  ago was this podcast was it some other one I was like hold out for one terabyte [TS]

  SSD and I go good luck there's gonna be so expensive you can get one today but [TS]

  it's like thousands of dollars I can be cheap but you know waiting awhile why [TS]

  did I wait to really long time and eventually one terabyte SSDs became less [TS]

  than ridiculously expensive still very expensive but as soon as they came down [TS]

  in price looks like three the prices you know 500 $600 I got one for him and made [TS]

  a big difference as you would imagine just doing this is the big thing for me [TS]

  is that they are big that I can fit all of my stuff and the size of all my stuff [TS]

  has changed a lot over the years and I like your is trying to keep the all my [TS]

  stuff size somewhere within the bounds of economical hard drive size but [TS]

  partners can exerting so big 21 terabyte terabytes retail but for a terabyte [TS]

  spinning disk was like oh no I gotta make sure my stuff doesn't thoughtful [TS]

  turns out my stuff has been growing more slowly and my stuff comfortably fits in [TS]

  one terabyte snow avatar my guess is they want to go but the iMac is a [TS]

  terabyte St and now finally the two main computer in the house are all of our [TS]

  stuff on them and I'm very happy about it [TS]

  yeah I held out a really long time before getting an SSD because the first [TS]

  computer I had with an SSD was my old work computer which I got in the middle [TS]

  of 2012 but was a late 2011 Santa Clara 15 inch MacBook Pro and I had always [TS]

  thought as I often do with these things [TS]

  shirts faster I'm sure it's great but it can't possibly make that much oh my god [TS]

  it makes that much of a difference it it it's just night and day and because of [TS]

  that I'm still rocking one of those identical computer that work one except [TS]

  the platter hard drive as my personal computer [TS]

  and I never touched the thing because it's just unusable because it has a [TS]

  platter hard drive [TS]

  get get yourself a nasty even if you get a little tiny one and you have to put [TS]

  all your all your other data elsewhere just it makes a world of difference [TS]

  definitely spend the money our final budget this week is bushel gonna bushel [TS]

  dot com to see for yourself now for some people I T is a task and not a career [TS]

  bushel lets anyone to easily manage Apple devices in a workplace iPhones [TS]

  iPads iPod Touches even max which lets you easily set up to protect Apple [TS]

  devices that you distribute your team or even devices your team already has its a [TS]

  cloud-based mobile device management MDM system now with bush managing your [TS]

  workplaces devices you can easily provide a managed access to company [TS]

  email accounts and please don't even need to manually configure everything to [TS]

  access their company email which of course is a headache for anybody working [TS]

  at a company I T apartment I can also install workouts to every device all at [TS]

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  thanks a lot to bushel for sponsoring our show what's next for you so next to [TS]

  me is slack interesting ok that's a good when I would have put that on there if I [TS]

  had thought of it yeah I agree with that so first of all slackers really just [TS]

  good at like you know as as a product slackers good it is like [TS]

  when I first saw it I thought well that's just IRC [TS]

  fancied up IRC and that's true it is just finished a piracy but it's really [TS]

  good turns out by RCA is really nice feature is not that it's like fancied up [TS]

  I received the key feature is that like it is a name brand company thing you can [TS]

  get the slack app for the platform of your choice and it is slack our season I [TS]

  guess you like the client just something I really know your client works just [TS]

  type / something like this was like a client just to get slack and then you've [TS]

  got it you have to worry about people figuring out all point and click an [TS]

  unlimited amount of command-line silliness the NRC you know really it had [TS]

  a lot of shortcomings compared to slacken not just the client thing but [TS]

  just like the complexity of the the geeky roots of it it's and limitations [TS]

  of it not being persistent on the class just it's not a IR si has a sports place [TS]

  for sure but slacked us too and i think is by far the more friendly option of [TS]

  the two and it also has way more features and it's pretty nice anyway so [TS]

  I likes like a lot and I like that kind of lead to earlier I mentioned I was [TS]

  kind of worn out from negativity that I've gotten from being so public online [TS]

  slack allows me to have these small private groups of friends that things [TS]

  that I would have previously posted to Twitter now a lot of those things are [TS]

  going to slack and a lot of the conversations that I'm having a lot of [TS]

  the Keeping Up with friends what they're doing a lot more of that is happening in [TS]

  slack now then on Twitter for me and I think that's good because for so long we [TS]

  had things on the web where we're like this the best communication method on [TS]

  the web or so often public or semi-public Facebook where it's like [TS]

  it's supposed to be private most of the time but sometimes you setting [TS]

  everything public course from a default whatever it's nice to have something [TS]

  that is private I do think there's a place for those things there's a balance [TS]

  to be struck and it's you know just it's nice that we are we are willing to [TS]

  explore that balance rather than just make everything public [TS]

  and a driven on the entire internet and every way we communicate and so it's [TS]

  nice having having slack for me has been a nice kind and gentle reprieve from [TS]

  everything being in public because the fact is so many of my of my friends are [TS]

  people who have met in this business people like you guys who work with who [TS]

  who don't live near its like sit down and have lunch with you guys every day [TS]

  you know I I work at home for myself you know i i had lunch with my wife and my [TS]

  kids my dog the night my friend interaction or limited mostly to online [TS]

  stuff so it's nice to have just like a kindly private safe place for that to [TS]

  happen and now into psych provide that for me but from what I hear from a lot [TS]

  of other people and provide that to lots of people it it doesn't just like a [TS]

  desperate for Marco think like a lot of people you slack this way in small [TS]

  groups with their friends and it's really great for that and i am just very [TS]

  thankful if such a thing exists but is getting enough traction to be useful [TS]

  the company of this is that as we record today slack was down for many people the [TS]

  day to mention that but yeah doesn't matter this is done this is the first [TS]

  time I've ever seen down to the honeymoon period before marcos and a big [TS]

  roundabouts like being centralized thing controlled by a single company scurrying [TS]

  all the clients and their API and pricing aw stock so enjoy it while I [TS]

  know I'm being negative anyway I think everything that Marco said basically [TS]

  like in the big continuum of between public in like I am as the the private [TS]

  things like you know small group on Glee private message and public you have web [TS]

  forums are comments or bulletin boards and later things like Twitter and stuff [TS]

  like that and it's like as a nice middle-ground time to say no ground the [TS]

  Google+ was going for but missed where it's not one to one like I am and it's [TS]

  not in public or email that I is not in public like message boards or Twitter [TS]

  it's in between and it's not the only downside of course is now they were all [TS]

  we're all in a million different slacks because these in between things are sort [TS]

  of self organizing groups of people around particular interest to [TS]

  institutions or whatever and those circles overlap alot but we have to be [TS]

  in all of them if you want to keep up with this offense that could prevent [TS]

  that prevents that you're in three slacks that are that form is weird Venn [TS]

  diagram sometimes I have trouble keeping track of what slack I said which is on [TS]

  the same application that's one stupid single window working guys find more [TS]

  windows more than one call me crazy but I lose track of where I said things in [TS]

  which group of friends I said them to and who is on what page about what but I [TS]

  think that's a good problem to have liked having this middle ground even [TS]

  though that has meant one more place for me to check for things that have gone on [TS]

  I am NOT a slack completionist so they don't have that problem but still I do [TS]

  have to end its like to its credit gives you lots of really cool options for how [TS]

  you want to be notified and about what [TS]

  so sad that input on my list and now I'm the Marco stealing things from other [TS]

  peoples this is a test I completely agree with black and and it doesn't [TS]

  matter you know who your particular group of friends is or or whatever the [TS]

  case maybe it's just having a group of people even be friends or family you can [TS]

  communicate with often geographically [TS]

  all over the place is just really fantastic and the thing that one of the [TS]

  things I love about slack that that is in some ways ruined me for like iMessage [TS]

  and other things is the rich text preview sort of you call them so if you [TS]

  put a link to a tweet into a slack channel it will do its best to expand [TS]

  that queen show you the contents of the tween maybe even a picture of those [TS]

  media attached in oh my god I wish I could have that 44 I message that would [TS]

  be so so useful and and I really love that peter it's such a silly thing that [TS]

  makes a world of difference [TS]

  yeah so it's my turn this is a weird one [TS]

  I am super thankful for my lightning to HDMI adapter which he is a hard thing to [TS]

  say but this past weekend as with many weekends in the fall [TS]

  and I went to see the University of Virginia play football in his life who I [TS]

  am actually a hokey which means I went to Virginia Tech we are big rivals just [TS]

  go with the markup language stuff that cuts deep John so anyways we basically [TS]

  we are big rival school so Marco this is like TIFF going to Michigan does it make [TS]

  more sense to you yes that is the one sport rather than I am familiar with [TS]

  simply because I grew up in Columbus so you can't you couldn't not know about [TS]

  that one [TS]

  funds that the correct answers actually Penn State but anyway the point is that [TS]

  it just like OSU and pinch-hitter angles yet now Michigan and Michigan well know [TS]

  you are right to say Michigan and Ohio State but in the same conference as Penn [TS]

  State both my younger brothers went to Penn State so that's where my my my [TS]

  association is but anyway so the point I bring this up because we went to a [TS]

  sports ball so when we went tailgating over the years we've been doing this for [TS]

  a few years now we've updated our tailgate setup from you know just a [TS]

  grill to a grill and a kind of ok generator to a grill and a kind of fancy [TS]

  generator and so grill generator and TV and this year it was this past weekend [TS]

  actually it just so happened that my beloved Virginia Tech Hokies were [TS]

  playing noon game that I really wanted to watch and the UVA game was at 3:30 [TS]

  and so we were tailgating while that while the Hokies were playing and it was [TS]

  on ESPN the problem with that is we have an over the air antenna that we bring to [TS]

  the tailgate in its full each d so we can watch you know all the local [TS]

  channels and Charles hill on each D in the middle of a parking lot basically at [TS]

  the University virginia which is really incredible I'm thankful for that too but [TS]

  in this case it was ESPN and so what I did was I got my phone and I plug my [TS]

  phone into the Lightning teach you might after plugged-in HDMI cable from that [TS]

  into the TV and we were able to watch my beloved Virginia Tech [TS]

  cokie's lose as we're sitting in the middle of this parking lot at UVA which [TS]

  is just i mean to think about it like I remember watching Nickelodeon as a kid [TS]

  and watching like double tier and some of those games shows in you would see [TS]

  that like the grand prize was this god awful terrible video phone but this was [TS]

  like you know the early nineties and so you could probably only video dial like [TS]

  two other people in the entire country but you know little postage stamp size [TS]

  like black and white video phone and it was amazing and I remember thinking to [TS]

  myself how could that possibly be that you could see video you know on a [TS]

  telephone and then fast forward was at fifteen twenty years whatever the case [TS]

  may be and I'm sitting in a parking lot with the full 32 inch TV showing a [TS]

  picture that's coming off a cellular telephone like it's just ridiculous that [TS]

  that's a possibility and so this little obscenely expensive $50 lightning to [TS]

  HDMI adapter made all that possible that in my data which of course it was like [TS]

  two weeks ago that I finally ditched my unlimited data plan perhaps not a good [TS]

  choice but so it only cost me like two or three gigs of data for the two or [TS]

  three hours we were watching the football game so I'm really thankful for [TS]

  that you should take care all that booty once you get your new one duck taped to [TS]

  the back your TV and get refund $50 cable that are coming to the price they [TS]

  don't have a TV and then you can also charge your phone that makes it so much [TS]

  better I was able to charge my phone because I one of the ports on the [TS]

  Lightning to HDMI adapter is another lightning port [TS]

  yes I passes through power and since we had a generator right there when I pass [TS]

  through power to the phone which worked out really well I'm concerned about how [TS]

  many fumes you're inhaling with this generator that's like running the other [TS]

  people are as mister just been an appeal into it and then and now it's it's a [TS]

  it's actually very very fancy generators not ours it's one of the guys who [TS]

  tailgate with but it's an inverter generator so it it it emits a perfect [TS]

  sine wave which is pretty cool [TS]

  not talking about the different i know i understand you're saying it was just an [TS]

  aside so but we we bring these fifty foot extension cords so that things like [TS]

  that [TS]

  away from us probably near somebody else is in the other air and into speaking [TS]

  like where we tailgate is actually not it's it's not a parking lot where in a [TS]

  little field in front of the Astronomy building a VA don't be creepy and so [TS]

  it's late so small field and we try to point the generator pretty much away [TS]

  from everyone else but it's it's not near us and yet I remain concerned just [TS]

  like us have market coming to practice test text and use the big battery if I [TS]

  would kill to have Marco come to a football game with me that would be [TS]

  amazing but but now it's not quite that simple I think they would like to [TS]

  generate power right so if you go there and in electric car with a huge battery [TS]

  fully charged that'll that'll do for tailgating right probably maybe I mean [TS]

  the TV we use his old so it's probably not very efficient but there are times [TS]

  then we'll use like a griddle so for example this upcoming weekend it's our [TS]

  big game it's it's Aaron steam in my team playing each other and this year [TS]

  it's in Charlotte cells were gonna go and we are probably going to use a [TS]

  griddle which is a heating element which which is you know a million watts and so [TS]

  for that you'd probably want a generator because it would drain Marcus Phantom [TS]

  test will in like three and a half seconds [TS]

  think it would be I'm being a little facetious here but I still the math [TS]

  someone the shower room get out the slide rule she well for one thing I know [TS]

  that to charge a Tesla from like a 40 amp outlets though takes like 10 hours [TS]

  you don't realize how much power they have a granite top perfect efficient [TS]

  power but it takes a ridiculous amount of power to move a car like that you [TS]

  should realize how much power to just buy the not even doing the math by [TS]

  thinking about their taking this multi $1000 car and accelerating and [TS]

  decelerating and pushing it through the win for you know three hundred miles [TS]

  anyway this is the future of tailgating mark my words electric-powered pickup [TS]

  truck so the entire bed as much I love him I'm batteries [TS]

  you're probably right quick real-time follow up a quick things first of all it [TS]

  occurred to me that tailgating is probably a uniquely American thing sure [TS]

  hope so maybe Australians get across america light [TS]

  ok see ya please email me I didn't mean that in an offensive way but I'm screwed [TS]

  now anyway so what that means is so before a football game or a bowl game [TS]

  depending on how you look at it a lot of times what people will do is they will [TS]

  go to the parking lot outside the stadium they're going to and they will [TS]

  consume adult beverages and you know it's kind of chat and hang out and grill [TS]

  food in and eat food and do all the things you'd expect a bunch of Americans [TS]

  to do but do it outside and so some people take a little more seriously like [TS]

  we do and bring in generators they can watch other football games while they're [TS]

  waiting to watch the football game they want to see that's so that's what [TS]

  tailgating is and it did the etymology there is because oftentimes you'll hang [TS]

  out around the tailgate of a pickup truck although neither of us a pickup [TS]

  trucks and the other piece real-time follow-up it is not be let me teach you [TS]

  might after the official name is lightning Digital AV Adapter which I [TS]

  would have known had I done my homework so John your turn [TS]

  think of something else we're going to do the next round with over coming to [TS]

  the end of the show anyway so maybe we'll be at least one more wanna talk [TS]

  about what can you get all the lightning round after this case is lining and I [TS]

  know I was about to say I i I was too early on that one [TS]

  this one should be easy to guess anyone who's been listening to me on this or [TS]

  any other podcast the third item is destiny product not since quake 3 arena [TS]

  and Unreal Tournament 2004 have spent this much time playing a single video [TS]

  game I PlayStation 4 is essentially a destiny machine especially since I [TS]

  removed from the television terrible burning reasons all I do is play destiny [TS]

  played a lot and I'm afraid to look at the total number of hours recently about [TS]

  that you would think it would get boring but you know obviously cinema most [TS]

  airplane with other people and that extends life the games the same reason [TS]

  quake 3 arena real tournament were [TS]

  for so long because you are playing with other people so the game is much less [TS]

  predictable than playing like a single player game or a game against [TS]

  computer-controlled opponents because people are inscrutable [TS]

  and kind of like went through an unreal tournament there is a steady flow of [TS]

  content back in the old days it was maps that other people it makes you download [TS]

  new apps for Quaker and new maps are unwilling to try them out sometimes the [TS]

  new maps will come from the people who made the game's most the times not the [TS]

  case of Destiny all new content coming from bundy but they've had a steady [TS]

  stream of expansion is that yes you pay for but like I was saying about this [TS]

  someone recently the dollar per hour of enjoyment I'm gonna destiny its ratio is [TS]

  phenomenal [TS]

  compared to pay homage anything else like it is 60 bucks in the game [TS]

  expansion 40 bucks and expansion but do the division of the number of hours [TS]

  you're like oh this is like the cheapest entertainment dollars ever so the [TS]

  expansions really have kept it fresh for me and you know the the constant [TS]

  adjustments to the game and the systems in the game and the items and everything [TS]

  to Bungie is doing for just from week to week not just for the expansion for me [TS]

  to be doing little tweaks here and there and explaining why they do them that's [TS]

  an interesting sort of surrounding context for the game where there's the [TS]

  game and then there's the talking about the game then there's the reading about [TS]

  the future of things that are going on in the game and I think for the most [TS]

  part but she has been keeping things moving in the right direction if you you [TS]

  know questionable decisions that they're going back and forth on but 2.0 the big [TS]

  2.0 change the entire game isn't really address the lot of the worst parts of [TS]

  the progression system in the early game so destiny is my first MMO because I [TS]

  generally hate him and I was but I really like first-person shooter games [TS]

  and has really good first person shooter and as far as I can tell having never [TS]

  played any emotion for I think it's really funny too so thumbs up on destiny [TS]

  did you ever get into counter strike out of curiosity [TS]

  it's not quite the same kind of but it is though it's it's a new plan so that [TS]

  human beings and so it's much more interesting than playing by yourself [TS]

  I i tend to stay away from the more militaristic first-person shooters that [TS]

  just they've never really appealed to the closer they get to like real life [TS]

  guns with not a real life you know gun aficionado so the closer they get to [TS]

  realize comes in real life military I just find it off but even though [TS]

  counter-strike still you know basically like you know like I guess they about [TS]

  criterion and reserve it's basically a game of tag has very little to do with [TS]

  actual guns but it's close enough that it sort of propels me a little bit which [TS]

  is completely fantastical you know Space Marines or shooting aliens ur powered [TS]

  armor whatever other weird stuff you've gotten franchises like Halo and Gears of [TS]

  War kind of a guess but I tend to stay away from the military things and [TS]

  destiny I guess technically they're kind of the military but it's really just [TS]

  like lasers and ppl in space aliens only asked as i log out a time playing [TS]

  counterstrike when I was at Virginia Tech and not doing the things I should [TS]

  have been doing like study but I love to counter strike and I i love to the quake [TS]

  as well as quick so long ago I think that was my jam but it was alright does [TS]

  that mean already sponsors so I guess Marco wanna do your lightning round [TS]

  entry it's it's a little bit silly mid-on list really cuz I'm I'm still a [TS]

  little bit like 50 50 on how much I like it but the number 69 go with the Apple [TS]

  watch because it really has driven a positive influence in my life and the [TS]

  Apple watches this is another one of the blog post I keep trying to write and [TS]

  star in to rate and failing to write to write my like Apple watch six months and [TS]

  post of course now it's like seven months and I started writing on it was [TS]

  three months in and and the Apple watch it's easy to get announced soon so he's [TS]

  been here because I I do wear mine everyday i've i've tried going without [TS]

  it for a few days [TS]

  and I don't miss it as much as I think I would before I do it and there are parts [TS]

  of it that haven't been as Dicky for me just because they aren't that reliable [TS]

  and and what are the things that I like about it there's an asterisk after each [TS]

  one I do love it for notifications I do love it for a very quick serious things [TS]

  I do love it for the activity tracking and I do love having the weather thing [TS]

  on the face and the other complications but all those things are kind of like [TS]

  75% there so I just kind of tentatively there I'm very happy this product exists [TS]

  but I I think it still needs a lot more work on both the hardware and the [TS]

  software before it's very good but I do like where it is now and it had it did [TS]

  something that I didn't think was possible which is it transform me into a [TS]

  person as I mentioned when it was new I hadn't wanna watch you for this since [TS]

  like high school now that we're in the cell phone revolution and to the point [TS]

  of a watch but now they have one I like it a lot and so now I'm starting to look [TS]

  at other watches that don't have screens and don't have batteries another [TS]

  expensive hobby is a great yeah and I'm starting to like take joy in the day in [TS]

  the design of nice watches and that's kinda nice you know so we'll see what [TS]

  happens but but I like the Apple watching generally it's a it's a good [TS]

  product I wouldn't say it sincerely a great one yet but it is a good product [TS]

  now and it has given positive change my life so I appreciate that you know it's [TS]

  funny you bring that bring up the Apple watches your lighting round entry [TS]

  because my red lightning round entry is the Apple is going to say the exact same [TS]

  thing and I think the piece that is is most startling to me is the [TS]

  notifications which you brought up a moment ago I haven't heard my phone [TS]

  except when I've accidentally turned the ringer back on since I received my Apple [TS]

  watch which was what may or something like that so I haven't heard my phone [TS]

  since then and I think that's a good thing and I i had even before the Apple [TS]

  outside cold a lot of my notifications in in brought that number way way way [TS]

  down and you know I turned off a lot of 24 notifications turned off [TS]

  notifications a lot of those that I really didn't need to be notified about [TS]

  turned off and even with all of those notifications off you haven't turned [TS]

  those back on since I've gotta watch but even what remains things like text [TS]

  messages or emails from VIPs or what have you [TS]

  nobody else has to know when that stuff is happening I get a nice little tap tap [TS]

  tap on my wrist and that's that and I really really really love that I too [TS]

  have in my list of things to do my six months and now seven months in Apple I [TS]

  too have been procrastinating because I haven't figured out what my angle is [TS]

  really but I completely concur with you that especially for a device that as [TS]

  with most things I hemmed and hawed about I'm really glad I got it I love it [TS]

  so much for just keeping that that noise clutter out of my life and yes of course [TS]

  I'm still getting notified about these things but I don't know just having it [TS]

  be silent I just like so much begin in a bit just because I feel like it's kind [TS]

  of disrespectful to have your devices bringing in bombing well while other [TS]

  people are around and I just love that pissed that my phone has been silent [TS]

  since May and that's really awesome God that I'm so now I'm so glad I was gonna [TS]

  say if you two had not mention the Apple actually would've been weird to have to [TS]

  have us none of us mention Apple's you know new product line that you know like [TS]

  the the big thing that the latest big thing I wuv wishing I was also mentioned [TS]

  but the latest big things from apple the Apple large come towards the end of [TS]

  Arles I really wouldn't put it on mine mostly because the avalanche has not [TS]

  change the fact that I am NOT a person I do not like things that I rest my wife [TS]

  only real-time heckling me about how often I forget to put my watch and my my [TS]

  plan what I've done my plan to always wear to work but I very often forget [TS]

  when I do wear to work I find it convenient just like a little tap tap on [TS]

  the wrist to you know to be able to have it cracked like even though I don't do [TS]

  it market doesn't like actually trying to fill the circles and stuff I do like [TS]

  to get the stand-up reminders and I do make a little bit of extra effort to be [TS]

  more mobile network is that basically reminds you like it's like I was outside [TS]

  run various times R Us iraq your mind you hey I know you're kind of like in [TS]

  the zone on some issue but remember to get up and just like the refill your [TS]

  water covered cannot take a walk around or do something else and I do find it a [TS]

  specially convened [TS]

  so I don't have to do anything on my phone even without a sitting on the desk [TS]

  it just seems so much and even with HID seems like so much more of an effort to [TS]

  pick the things up but my thumb thing on my incredibly slow iPhone 6 without the [TS]

  S [TS]

  the way those extra to go on we're going to watch none of that is involved in a [TS]

  look at it and and Apple pan the watch I find it all so much nicer than doing i [TS]

  will pay on the phone I do it like a plan to use it whenever whenever [TS]

  possible can I use that will pay and double tapping the watch is nicer than [TS]

  again putting the phone new thing and trying to the thumb piano is not ready [TS]

  mytouch I D and then just automatically so I wouldn't put it on my list because [TS]

  it is just reinforce that I'm not a white person I know I can also say that [TS]

  the watches like something that I guess I wouldn't have bought it on my own [TS]

  cause I did buy it on my own but it was kind of like well I should probably buy [TS]

  it to see what all the fuss is about like it's kind of like I bought it for [TS]

  work work being this podcast whereas I was another podcast and wasn't writing [TS]

  that text up I probably wouldn't have voted in the end I'm so glad I bought it [TS]

  but I'm let's put it this way I'm not going to rush out to buy the next [TS]

  version of the Apple watch probably wait a couple revisions and targets way that [TS]

  it is I think a lot of my reasons the watches not the Apple I essentially for [TS]

  watches in general I just don't like things I rest of the smaller and lighter [TS]

  and less like an Airstream trailer [TS]

  that's right I know I said it earlier but it would really be wrong of me not [TS]

  to say thanks to all our listeners more time in our sponsors as well as the [TS]

  thank you to our listeners in two or three sponsors Squarespace automatic and [TS]

  bushel alright and we will see you next week we doing a tag team I got the I [TS]

  love with you will see you next week do you say we will see we don't actually [TS]

  see them I do say that thank you for ruining it now [TS]

  alright it's fine I just want to overthink it now the show they didn't [TS]

  even mean to be in accidental accidental [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  it was fun and a team Marco [TS]

  there was also a good idea john i do want to add one more kind of bonus 1 [TS]

  year ago so one is the Apple pencil and this is a really short one because it's [TS]

  you know it's easy when you say you know what the best of the year the stuff that [TS]

  he most recently tends to be more weight in your mind so I don't know what I mean [TS]

  I think long-term about it but the a pencil is really cool and yes the Apple [TS]

  TV is also knew the Apple TV i think is more of a mixed bag in terms of [TS]

  complexity and some of its remaining shortcomings and everything but the [TS]

  intensively only does one thing and it does that one thing already today from [TS]

  day one and it does it shockingly well once you can find one but it and it is [TS]

  so good and it's so nice to use that it is making me keep borrowing tips iPad [TS]

  Peru and keep wishing I had more of a reason to use this pencil because I am [TS]

  NOT a visual artist I don't illustrate things I don't make diagrams I don't [TS]

  take notes I I don't really have a good reason to use it but I wish I did [TS]

  because it's just so pleasant and delightful and just like technically [TS]

  satisfying like I know how good it is like it's it's also nice to use so what [TS]

  are you doing with it I'm just playing around maybe I should start trend take [TS]

  notes on things I don't know I don't know right now just player and the [TS]

  second thing is Tesla I don't own a test yet I'm planning on buying one soon but [TS]

  I don't own one yet but one thing I like about Tesla and they eating 2015 nearly [TS]

  came into their own with this that you know in the absence of Steve Jobs now [TS]

  the world is kind of low on genius billionaire is that are kind of near the [TS]

  tech industry that are making things really interesting for everybody and [TS]

  it's fun to be in one of those groups like it's fun it was fun to be a fan of [TS]

  Apple when steve was really at its peak between 4:30 before he died but it's fun [TS]

  to be a fan of a crazy billionaire company that's doing crazy good things [TS]

  jeff has always almost been that kind of person but [TS]

  not that kind of person Steve Jobs definitely was and i think you must have [TS]

  that kind of person and where ya he's he's out of his mind but is also a [TS]

  genius and he also is very different to keep making really interesting products [TS]

  that are pushing things forward in the in this area that the team that is [TS]

  working it and so i think i think what Tesla is doing is really cool even if I [TS]

  don't end up buying one which will buy one I have pretty much decided that now [TS]

  but it's just really cool to be in one of those fandoms of these kind of [TS]

  products but he's crazy billionaires again because they they do things that [TS]

  seem so audacious and when when they do them well it's really nice and an apple [TS]

  did it well and now Tessa seems to be doing it well and so that's vertical [TS]

  Activision is kind of like a crazy billionaire Mishra destiny wow very good [TS]

  for Activision they are simply crazy [TS]