0:00:00I made the mistake of going to the grocery store today I figured you know
0:00:03if I go yes Thanksgiving week but if I go on Monday at New no one else is gonna
0:00:10be there is a way too early and at the middle of the day people take off the
0:00:13whole week I think I don't understand where everybody was when I went to work
0:00:16today it was a little traffic there was a lot of people in the parking lot don't
0:00:19go to the the any food many places that sell food or beverages this week all of
0:00:25the traffic was in my grocery store's parking lot apparently everybody else in
0:00:30the world had the same idea that I did no one's gonna be there on Monday at
0:00:34noon i didnt i didnt know you live in a retirement community we need something
0:00:41fun and clever to start the show it maybe we can do a little bit of
0:00:44follow-up John's favorite topic
0:00:46the internet has given us a gift today and by the internet I mean David Collett
0:00:51lead I'm so sorry that I probably pronounced it wrong but david has given
0:00:57us the John Siracusa paper doll kit which this is really a call out to
0:01:03reconcile differences which this is this is a different privacy has confused
0:01:07about what we're doing that I know this was followed is John keep up or taken
0:01:10out with john why are you acknowledging the fallout has a solid meaning and you
0:01:14are arguing over what it is I don't know what followed me and so I know this is a
0:01:17topic they were probably talked about it on that other podcasts like when you say
0:01:21it like area on another network we can even a mule's but it's fine if you wanna
0:01:30do paper dolls fun guy just I wanted to be just wanted to call everyone's
0:01:34attention to this absolutely phenomenal tweet from from David with the John
0:01:40Surtees a paper doll your nose was a little read off each for my taste if
0:01:44that's a style that's not that's not a reflection on my actual knows didn't
0:01:49even notice the Clinton in 1992 shirt that's very few knew what the Rangers
0:01:56look like I should
0:01:57they're printing us out for my kids to play with my god they would have the ATP
0:02:05shared addition obviously can we get this printed on like a sheet of magnet
0:02:10things that you could actually is that is like a company that does that I'm
0:02:15sure is that he's done some other pictures of me as well as they go on
0:02:21we're running back you know that one it's the layers are in folders
0:02:27accessories torso pants footwear so you can add this is this actually you don't
0:02:32even need many can actually talk about everything right from here as long as
0:02:35you're willing to launch Photoshop as a people been doing with a composed the
0:02:38different versions of me still put a link to the belief that we will put a
0:02:45link to the website where you can see all this stuff is really is incredible
0:02:48said you guys are we all did a very terrible job explain why does exist
0:02:53yeah that's true anyway I'm reconcilable differences which is about guess it with
0:02:57marlon man we talked about closing at one point and this is my phones idea
0:03:01that someone should make a paper doll version of me to help dress me he got
0:03:05into his head that that he wants to do a makeover like that you know those are
0:03:10clear I type shows us where there's someone who doesn't have any fashion
0:03:13sense and other people with fashion sense want to fix him that's what he
0:03:17wants to do to make her want other people to do to me so he go paper dolls
0:03:20tattoos tattoos lear is a question mark after in the layer 2 because there is
0:03:28none
0:03:30get that one that nobody talks about well really get to use personally have
0:03:36never ever ever ever desire to have a tattoo on the internet you know that
0:03:40means they gonna have won six months now
0:03:49goodness knows anything I would want anything I would like enough to put on
0:03:53my body like a it would probably be like some sort of consumer BS but be
0:03:58inevitably I would end up Adrian so I can imagine so I love so I have I have
0:04:05configured now the rugby shirt jeans asics shoes and the and the John glasses
0:04:12but the boat I it's a fantastic combination hear both sides are cool and
0:04:18you would get that reference on TV I got nothing what's up for TV shows my butt
0:04:27which speaking of it I think I've gotten to the point that I hate listen to top
0:04:35four because so much of what you guys say I've never listened to a podcast
0:04:41makes you want to yell at him or i think is working as designed as far as I can
0:04:45tell how do I think you're right I absolutely think he right in the thing
0:04:48is like I genuinely do enjoy the show in there are times like i I tweeted it both
0:04:53of you earlier today I genuinely thought that the way you handled the pizza
0:04:56discussion was perfect because without question it is so much easier to find
0:05:00good pizza in New York or the surrounding area than anywhere else
0:05:04don't say it don't say but there is good pizza we had another places which I did
0:05:10say what you said but I assume I will hate it when I know I thought Marco you
0:05:17guys both handled it perfectly I really did create it's it's just like that the
0:05:27standard john was a bow tie if I don't think the most I fits with their rugby
0:05:32shirt I don't think that's it doesn't that doesn't fit I think you should try
0:05:36this one day maybe next year to BBC something like that
0:05:39showed us my wife who said why do you look so angry angry about either being
0:05:48half naked are about other people dressing me I can't imagine you be
0:05:53incredibly happy about either of those states so I think it's it's the
0:05:57appropriate expression but anyway I I was I was very happy with how you handle
0:06:03that but I think part of me so perturbed at top four days because I don't like
0:06:08Indian food with the exception of non which is delightful but the thing of it
0:06:12is very very well could be that I've just made terrible choices whenever I've
0:06:17gone for Indian food even know what I've eaten but I can tell you I'm not like
0:06:20any of it and in so I was very perturbed that Indian ranked so high on your list
0:06:25however I concur with pizza I concur with Panera and delis I think you're a
0:06:31little harsh and Quiznos subway but I can get past that I mean if if if you're
0:06:38in a place where the best options you have are Quiznos or subway just go to
0:06:42the grocery store and buy cold cuts make it better that like it at that
0:06:46wanna see what I did live in those places that's what I did because it was
0:06:49better for the most part I did agree with most of what you guys said so and
0:06:55you can't forgive that the subway triangle cheese tessellation issue I
0:07:00guess you are spot on that I completely agree to give context to this this is
0:07:05top for the podcast Marco does with his wife and they supposedly whatever top
0:07:16for take-out restaurant stop for Halloween candies what they actually do
0:07:20on the show is only vaguely related to that and they're now lately both having
0:07:24trouble coming up with up for anything and almost there pains a terribly wrong
0:07:28anyway that's the show and it sure we conclude the advertiser podcast sections
0:07:37of the spot yes yes you should complain about the fact that I have brought up
0:07:41the to podcast that my co-host have done
0:07:44I have not brought up any of my extracurriculars but yes he continued to
0:07:48be upset John that's that's just your personality casey you didn't even
0:07:51mention robot or not
0:07:52well now we have to bring up the income people you are on the income people
0:07:57especially your show no one ever showed only I understood that reference right
0:08:09now that you've ruined follow out for me just as you had planned to use them
0:08:14follow up and talk about what been wrote in and said I thought you would never
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0:10:07beautiful night so John tell us in this follow-up section what Benji wrote in
0:10:12and said we're talking about the iPad pro screen and how it wasn't quite as
0:10:18good in terms of color accuracy is as service pro for it not also not as good
0:10:21as some of the earlier iPad screens Apple had made her the smaller ones
0:10:25anyway and I wondered if it was kind of a shame that it didn't have the new set
0:10:31of a wide spectrum or whatever the correct term is that large damage anyway
0:10:37display that the iMac does that the cp3 specification which is bigger than RGB
0:10:43and then run that one of the reasons that I petrol can't do that is because
0:10:47it requires an RGB backlight so these Koreans that we call it STDs but
0:10:51sometimes all LEDs LED just refers the backlight so you've got a bunch of you
0:10:56got this semi transparent thing in front but little colored section is that you
0:11:00can turn on and off in different mountain behind it
0:11:02behind most computers have a big white light on all the time
0:11:06over the entire screen for computer screens anyway and apparently the iMac
0:11:10has instead of a big white light behind it and RGB backlight so the back like
0:11:15that can be different colors instead of just white and I didn't know that I know
0:11:19televisions do that on television and also to wear tricks with the backlight
0:11:23to try to make the image look better but it makes sense that if the iMac as an
0:11:28orgy of a cloud perhaps they can't get that small enough for low-power enough
0:11:31to be a pro just yet
0:11:34company had to wake up more years I guess they're not but I did not know
0:11:38that I really didn't have any idea that there was an RGB back that's very cool
0:11:42tell me about iMac insomnia do my wife's new 27 inch iMac
0:11:50was saying last week that kid seems to have insomnia put to sleep and animal
0:11:56wake up again or will just walk away from the computer after using it and
0:11:59then come back an hour later it still awake and I wasn't quite able to figure
0:12:02out why lots of listeners sent in suggestions
0:12:06one coming along with the IR receiver if it's in the line of sight of something
0:12:11that sprays I are like a remote control or one of those IR blaster things or
0:12:15whatever
0:12:16conceivable that the IR receiver on a Mac which I guess it has won I don't
0:12:20know but have an uneven check did have one theory is that for our computers to
0:12:25do have an IR receiver if it's near your television or something like that you
0:12:29could keep it away just with IR input I don't know that theory is correct
0:12:33because i think is that fine line of sight of any I R and I don't even know
0:12:38if my thing has IR receiver probably does but anyway the next guess was
0:12:43Bluetooth if you go to the Bluetooth preference pane this is annoying this is
0:12:47an inside Energy Saver Bluetooth preference pane then you have to click
0:12:51on Advanced then there's a checkbox that says allow Bluetooth devices to wake
0:12:55this computer and that was checked by default so I unchecked it and I think my
0:13:00problems are solved but I've got that the reason that feature exists that you
0:13:03have my Mac if you get it with the recommended Apple crappy cripples
0:13:08Bluetooth keyboard and the recommended bluetooth mouse then you don't have your
0:13:13mouse or keyboard connected with a wire to computers on your computer was asleep
0:13:17if you don't have the setting checked and you hit the spacebar like to wake up
0:13:20your computer or wiggle the mouse or click the mouse button or something
0:13:23the computer on actually wake up I don't have that problem we've got a wired
0:13:26keyboard attached to it actually a USB mouse that's so i'll check that thing
0:13:34and so far so good the computer has not had insomnia it hasn't woken up
0:13:38spontaneously and go to sleep it stays asleep so I'm pretty well convinced that
0:13:42I solve my problem exxon I would never would have guessed it was Bluetooth
0:13:46acting up but I'm glad to figure that out I also don't understand how you
0:13:51could have wires on your desktop
0:13:52you know teacher it's a keyboard tray so the wires are going to anything
0:13:56he portrayed the right height you know but the desk at the right to low and
0:14:04then you need some of the the computer oh yeah that's easier than managing
0:14:08keyboard I think the main reason wife like the keyboard tray is that it gives
0:14:13her more room to jump on the desk because he didn't hire service desk in
0:14:18front of you is free for like having papers and stuff like sometimes it's
0:14:21good to be like referring to note I'm just piling stuff but really it's
0:14:24convenient I think I would even if I didn't need to forget positioning you
0:14:28never had like a despot that went up and down I get it right in fact I had to
0:14:31work my desk at work has somewhat adjustable and I tried putting it down
0:14:35to a level that it should be for the keyboard and I just like the desk higher
0:14:38and the little train journey that's what I'm used to any other follow that was
0:14:43another quick round of all very proud of us well this is a trip here time after
0:14:48the after the last episode I'm sure yeah and also its its low for the holidays I
0:14:52feel like we need to have like a laid-back episode 42 drink added realize
0:14:59that was the plan
0:15:00yeah right to speak of holidays John you came up with an idea for this episode
0:15:04yet because we're recording this on a Monday only a few days after record the
0:15:09last episode because our offer our holiday is Thanksgiving holiday
0:15:13vacations and travels and so on I thought what better way to celebrate
0:15:18Thanksgiving which is a holiday here in the us- people outside the US can look
0:15:23it up its pretty down as far as hot as hell but anyway it is a holiday and we
0:15:26get off a little slow down you gonna have to explain yourself on that one
0:15:30it's it's one of those holiday is the really is
0:15:35doesn't really make much sense it's not really that historically significant
0:15:39it's only because the people involved in it where the important enough people to
0:15:42celebrate something like they're celebrating the story of Thanksgiving
0:15:45but bottom line is we you know people European countries are all the
0:15:49indigenous people took all the plant and not feel guilty for it and stuff but
0:15:53heavy hearted kind of celebrating how nice it was that we all cooperated is
0:15:56like weird like yeah and then we live together happily ever after right now we
0:16:01don't anyway it's not as bad as Columbus Day but it's close but we don't care
0:16:07because it's just the holiday season and we have turkey and got around with
0:16:10family and argue about politics are your Thanksgiving is going to go I don't make
0:16:15this into a downer bottom line is we get off work at 10 straight to his party but
0:16:19only for Thursday you have to take a vacation day for Friday or just you know
0:16:24be retired like some of us are mile even Marco has to visit family at
0:16:28Thanksgiving Thanksgiving I would I would rather work for the rest of the
0:16:34year full time than deal with Thanksgiving family drama untrue you
0:16:38don't know my family
0:16:39well I don't know why I think you underestimate what it would be like to
0:16:43work for the rest of the year waking up and getting into an office and
0:16:46committing to going to get in the middle of this anyway I don't do a downer
0:16:53Thanksgiving which I get that even though the stupid holiday it is a
0:16:57holiday and one of the good things about thanksgiving is a time of year when in
0:17:02theory you are supposed to reflect on what you are thankful for that is
0:17:06usually the part of the evening before people get drunk and angry and started
0:17:09politics sometimes occur on the table and say and say what you think you'll
0:17:13fall for or whatever whoever has the most willing and able to induce
0:17:18embarrassment in your extended family using make this happen so i guess im
0:17:22filling that role here on the podcast
0:17:23asked the assembled get a group of house what 2015 issue check things are we most
0:17:33thankful for that have to be this year they could be like a three or four year
0:17:36old text you just discovered this year I don't need your framing is loose but
0:17:39anyway what kind of things are we thankful for anything that is going
0:17:42around in circles until we're all exhausted and don't have anything left
0:17:45to be thankful for
0:17:47ok I'm a list of real I really was trying not to invoke the ghost like well
0:17:57not the most thankful for this but it's probably round 945 actually have 50
0:18:02number five
0:18:04very clear number one alright alright I'll market seems like he's ready to go
0:18:08first so yeah I did not do my homework on this I thought about it like 10
0:18:12minutes about half an hour ago you could have markers doing more homework than I
0:18:15am something is seriously broke three days notice I know I just can't go ahead
0:18:22Marco well Mike my clear number one I thought it immediately when you said
0:18:26this and there is no contest and DNS responder section number one so so for
0:18:35the if anybody doesn't get the joke this is the the old version of the old
0:18:40version of discovery D which is the system diamond that's responsible on
0:18:46Macs and iOS devices for network name lookup finding Bonjour devices etc or
0:18:52whatever it was called you know that's the news because you write anyway so so
0:18:59it's it's very much responsible for like Macs and Apple devices finding other
0:19:03servers and devices on the network and coordinating things with them so for
0:19:07things like file-sharing probably involved in things like airdrop
0:19:10definitely no network shares Apple TV kind of stuff airplay and discover ed
0:19:16was the new version of this the rewrite of this ship with yosemite and with iOS
0:19:22ate it was so buggy and caused so many problems for so many people you know if
0:19:28if if during the era of yosemite I was eight if you if you ever had things like
0:19:33other matching your network disappear and just not be visible
0:19:37finder for browsing or for sharing or if you had things like you have the
0:19:41computer name with a number after it like you know tips computers and it's
0:19:46like what and where it and some reason to believe that some of that that was
0:19:50the kind of problems with this but it caused so many other problems that some
0:19:55people just got lucky like the HDMI CEC unicorn than just never had it I hit all
0:20:00of these problems you have problems like you know certain like network printers
0:20:05that had greater faces with frequently fail and just never be connectable
0:20:10anymore
0:20:11airplay would fail constantly airdrop would fail constantly so many problems
0:20:15with with various network and inter inter Mac inter island communication
0:20:21things and this is honestly this is a major driver behind my well circulated
0:20:25peace applesauce the function of high ground from last winter because it it
0:20:30shipped with your assembly and iOS in the fall of 2014 and it took until what
0:20:38summertime something that before they issued an update that reverted back to
0:20:43the old server discovery d back in the old one and DNS responder which just fix
0:20:48all the problems and so it it was a good six months as some like that of using
0:20:52this and the number of problems I encountered for the six months just made
0:20:57me question everything about Apple just like how could they possibly have let
0:21:00this go for so long
0:21:01ship this and it was making all the stuff that makes Apple devices usually
0:21:05pleasant it like so much it was crumbling or was leased unreliable for
0:21:10me and when when they went back to MDS responder massive amount of these
0:21:16problems just disappeared immediately for me and so now I can do things like
0:21:20browse the iTunes share from the Apple TV and watch movies that are on my home
0:21:26server on the Apple TV and stuff like that I can reliably connect to the Mac
0:21:30Mini deserve this lifestyle I can reliably connect computer and share
0:21:33files my can print it works every time like this is stuff that used to work
0:21:38very reliably didn't for like six months and now does again so number one by far
0:21:44from me is the return of Mtns responder the number one thing
0:21:48is really just a sly way to complain about something no I you know i i wanted
0:21:55you know I run an update article when you know once I was pretty sure that
0:21:58this would fix everything and I really want to be clear that it was really bad
0:22:02before and also I'm really happy now because now they have fix that massive
0:22:08class problems and Apple stuff has all sorts of other problems still and you
0:22:12know I'm sure we will spend we will spare no moment talking about those but
0:22:17that really did fix a ton of them that I was having and I and it it says a lot of
0:22:23an apple that they were you know that was a big mistake to ship that and to
0:22:26stick with it for so long but it does say a lot about Apple that rather than
0:22:30just like double down that in just like try to crank through and figure out all
0:22:34the problems they said no we go back like I don't think they've really done
0:22:38that very often and I can't even imagine what had to go on inside the company to
0:22:43to convince you ever need to be convinced to roll back to abandon this
0:22:46whole rewrite of this thing to roll back to the previous version but I'm really
0:22:51glad I did because it really did fix a massive number of problems I was having
0:22:54as I mentioned in this originally happened and DNS responder had a
0:22:59terrible reputation in nearly a year is about 10 because it was the process that
0:23:04it was always hanging in making stuff not work on your computer
0:23:07all I kinda like basic functionality of connecting to server isn't loading web
0:23:11pages the solid value to kill him responders home runs constantly crashing
0:23:15and eventually got to the point where I guess it was stable but their prime
0:23:20motivator plays it because it was old and crusty and never really work right
0:23:23and they had run out most of the bugs but it was still probably like not easy
0:23:27to change or add features to like you know handoff where the hell I don't even
0:23:31know if that was what what their motivation for discovery to you but it
0:23:34was but I was that every time they've gone and replaced some part of the
0:23:37system with some newer thing that something you have to do that you just
0:23:41gotta not screwed up like the the idea behind the effort was good execution was
0:23:47bad so I really hope that if not discovery did something else comes back
0:23:50because
0:23:51it's not like they're replacing these things for their health their visit
0:23:54motivation behind it as they just botched execution it will also show
0:23:58notes to our friend of the show Craig Hockenberry who talked about this a
0:24:03little bit strong language is preggers little perturbed but it's really good
0:24:06writeup as to what went wrong in with their discovery and why right shall I go
0:24:12next on would you prefer to go now europe is alright because I didn't have
0:24:17a lot of time to third didn't spend a lot of time thinking about this my my
0:24:20selection has my entire discovered here and you know the first thing I'm
0:24:26thankful for which I'm really really excited about is actually live photos I
0:24:31really really really enjoy life photos that you can make an argument that it's
0:24:35gimmicky and maybe it is and maybe in a few years I think it's silly but sitting
0:24:40here now I love life photos being able to have a little bit of context around
0:24:44what's happening especially when you have a really young child in the house
0:24:48is really really awesome and there's been a couple of life photos that I've
0:24:53gotten just by pure happenstance that have been really awesome like once I
0:24:57took a picture Declan when we were out to eat and and he decided to make this
0:25:02like just mammoth Eon right as I taking the pictures so you can see this like
0:25:07huge yawn as he's as he's eating at this restaurant and it it sounds silly
0:25:12describing it but it was just the funniest lie photo and I don't know that
0:25:15I I don't know that I would have captured that moment had it not been for
0:25:20the fact that what I thought was the picture was actually a very very short
0:25:25movie and so I love live photos I the only thing I don't like about life
0:25:30photos now it makes me question whether or not I want to use my big semi fancy
0:25:33camera or my i phone to take pictures and generally speaking I do you reach
0:25:37for the big camera but it doesn't make me feel guilty anymore if I don't have
0:25:43the big camera handy when trying to capture shot because I love having my
0:25:46context they have burst mode on your big fancy camera I do when I never ever ever
0:25:50use it though
0:25:51blast away make your own live pictures and maybe that's one way of looking at
0:25:55it but I very rarely shooting burst mode and the handful times I've done it
0:26:00it has come out pretty well but then I'd have to post-process it turned into a
0:26:04movie and blah blah blah not to say that this is egregious but it's it's it's
0:26:08pretty magical just whipping out the thing that the phone that's in your
0:26:13pocket and snapping a picture and having that little bit of context behind it I
0:26:17just really really love it kind of in that vein I I'd like to this anomalous
0:26:22sorry John is par for the course
0:26:24yes yes it exactly right like to add to that just how incredibly good the video
0:26:29is from the iPhone's success success +
0:26:31this year I finally after seven years of created my main good camera from a Canon
0:26:375d mark two to the Sony a seven are too and it's a fantastic hammer in every way
0:26:42and I love this thing I I love the pictures I get out of the Sony it's
0:26:46incredible it is incredibly expensive too so it's not for everybody but when
0:26:50you buy a camera every seven years it's it's it can be justifiable but anyway
0:26:55love love this camera and it shoots for k video and it's one of the it's one of
0:27:00the relatively few cameras on the market for a video there's they're getting
0:27:05warmer numerous but they're still relatively few in number but the
0:27:09iPhone's success came out and the success also shoots for k video and
0:27:13having shot now with both of them a reasonable amount the difference between
0:27:18them is not that big like here here's a scammer that's being hailed as one of
0:27:23the best cameras overall ever made and one of the best camera that can shoot
0:27:27for K and the camera that's an every iPhone of the current generation shoots
0:27:34for k video that to my as a casual observer is almost just as good
0:27:40equality you get out of this out of the iPhone 4 came granted it isn't 60 frames
0:27:45per second it's only 30 I don't have it I don't know what shoots for K sixty for
0:27:49his second but it's never seen anything that offered that it seems like for k
0:27:53everywhere these days basically 30 but if you're going to deal with the lower
0:27:56frame rate it looks incredible just to have that resolution it really does look
0:28:01like a moving photo it's just it looks like a real life photo
0:28:05and live photos are great like you know they're they're great for when he didn't
0:28:09intend to take a video but when you do intend to take a video the quality you
0:28:13can get out of the iPhone camera in for k mode is just ridiculously good and for
0:28:19people like us who have kids and get all sentimental about how how Peter kids are
0:28:23it is just stunning how how much this captures life in the way it looks in
0:28:29real life and I'm very very glad to have this because you know most
0:28:34almost every parent at some point says you know I really wish I shot more video
0:28:37I really really with a shot more photos and and i've been that way for video
0:28:41certainly but you know we should plenty of photos but we don't shoot another
0:28:44video yeah I'm the same way I reflect and look back on on the pictures and
0:28:50video of taken in the last year just over a year old now and I couldn't agree
0:28:55more that I've taken a lot of really great pictures I'm really proud of the
0:28:58pictures I've taken but I haven't shot near enough video and and I think that
0:29:02part of the problem is is that it's not often especially early in life like
0:29:07super early in life that that I can capture something that's quote-unquote
0:29:11remarkable as it's happening and I think that that's the wrong attitude to have
0:29:15and I should be better about just capturing everyday life because it'll be
0:29:18interesting to look at maybe not know year five years maybe in ten or twenty
0:29:22years and so I'm trying to train myself to to start taking video of things that
0:29:27seemed really boring and like you were saying Marco I I really really like that
0:29:33this camera that's in my pocket always takes forte video which is kind of it's
0:29:41kind of an insurance policy right you know there will eventually be video that
0:29:44is crisper than forte but sitting here in 2015 that's the case gonna look
0:29:50pretty good for a while I think in and so I'm really happy that I'm getting
0:29:53really high resolution video out of the camera I am most likely to have on me
0:29:57always yeah and it really does not look like it like an inferior quality camera
0:30:03when you're shooting for k with the iPhone it does not seem inferior quality
0:30:07at all in fact like you know compared to my liking a quote real and it is not a
0:30:11dedicated video camera but a lot of people use these things for video the
0:30:14things like the audio actually better the audio is way better on the
0:30:18iPhone the autofocus is way better on the iPhone it shouldn't be there's no
0:30:22reason why it should be hardware wise the Sony cases but in so many ways but
0:30:25the iPhone just has like really nice automatic default and has really good
0:30:29audio processing such that you with with no effort you get pretty great video out
0:30:35of the iPhone compared to this you know professional camera it's amazing how
0:30:40good it is so yeah I'm very thankful for how good the success is shooting video
0:30:46because it is making me shoot more video and 8044 parenting nostalgia purposes
0:30:51that is just awesome don't forget to take videos of your kids screaming and
0:30:55crying because it's my kids when they're smiling or happy take pictures of their
0:31:00crying and take video so they can hear the noise that they made because they
0:31:03don't believe you when you try to describe it and sometimes it's nice to
0:31:06look back when you're far distant from and I remember that terrible screeching
0:31:10that didn't leave our house
0:31:12declan's smiling anyway at some point has to be screaming crying capture that
0:31:17yeah yeah we tried to occasionally bring that up because they just before the
0:31:21show we were talking we when we were at my parents this past weekend we did like
0:31:27a literally five or ten minute photo shoot with them where they took a bunch
0:31:31of pictures of the three of us that would maybe they will may be used for
0:31:33Christmas card this year and I think the pictures look good but declan's kind of
0:31:39like nonplussed about the whole thing and you know oftentimes he's pretty
0:31:43easily it's pretty easy to make him pretty happy and in these he's kinda
0:31:47like whatever man and I were discussing well you know that is a better
0:31:51representation of real life because he's usually a fairly chipper kid but he's
0:31:55not always know super excited about everything and so we were debating and
0:31:59didn't really reach a conclusion before before I came into record you know maybe
0:32:03we should just use one of those and and that's okay and so I'm trying to do
0:32:07better about capturing the annoyed Declan in the upset as time goes on
0:32:14jonathan is your turn alright well you might think since I suggested this
0:32:18exercise that I have some like really clever interesting
0:32:21things I know this but i dont lose your job I'm just the idea so my first one
0:32:28might be a surprise but I don't think so
0:32:31based on what I've talked about it's it's it's kinda like Marquez is like a
0:32:34qualified recommendation what is the first thing I thought of the first thing
0:32:37I'm thankful for this year is photos Apple's photo thing where they finally
0:32:42gave away that had access to all your photos everywhere and to put all your
0:32:46photos up in the cloud and charger money to the storage but the prices are not so
0:32:50bad I've had a lot of weird issues with it but I have to say all the bugs and
0:32:56stuff that I've encountered so far have been delays not roadblocks like it's
0:33:00done weird things that's been spooky and it's been weird but always eventually at
0:33:04the end of it I come out the other side with a far as I'm aware fully
0:33:08functioning and working library that is all synced up and is in the clouds
0:33:12everywhere and is available on the phones and now on my Mac photos actually
0:33:16performs an acceptable manner most of the time still ignores my spacebar about
0:33:2050% of the time when I had it but anyway it's got a long way to go but I like the
0:33:24fact that is a fairly new program that already been updated and the update has
0:33:28added minor features and performance and I'm just glad that Apple finally has
0:33:34gotten their photo library online and on to their servers and you know not
0:33:40stranded on my machine they still have a long way to go when it comes to dealing
0:33:45with families and multiple for libraries but this possible things I'm thankful
0:33:48for complaints policy so this really does get the John Siracusa seal of
0:33:54approval
0:33:55well it's just because it's so much better than i photo like and you know
0:33:59people who use our services like they use Google or you know Amazon's cloud
0:34:03storage or whatever the saying this is the only solution for in fact it's
0:34:06probably not even the best solution for everything that I've heard Google
0:34:09storage solution seems to be much more reliable more features and be really
0:34:13cool I just we've always had our photos in iPhoto and so photos is the obvious
0:34:18and only you know transition to stay in the Apple TV Apple ecosystem and
0:34:24iPhoto like towards the end of its life was really terrible but in the beginning
0:34:28and middle it was pretty good especially when I library with smaller so I'm glad
0:34:33that Apple's continue to develop a program that essentially did import my
0:34:36iPhoto library in the same way to coalesce my ratings down into favorite
0:34:40ok with that
0:34:42yeah so like I still have any complaints about it but it's just so long for them
0:34:47to do the obvious thing we all talked about ever picks in Merced when it went
0:34:52out of business and now I'm getting all their pictures and make it so that they
0:34:58do not all be on the device but you have access to them everywhere
0:35:01good idea Apple have been very trigger shy on photos pretty worried about user
0:35:08and picture life which I really really like and I been afraid to really get
0:35:15into photos just because it's always felt like I was I didn't want to trust
0:35:21apple with this because I don't want to go bad even though I have backups like I
0:35:24picture life now have two or three copies locally but it just scared me but
0:35:28to hear that it pretty much has a chance to seal of approval I might change my
0:35:31tune but you shouldn't though I always say is it's like online backup you just
0:35:35have to have you should everyone should be doing this if you have your photo
0:35:38library there should be some place that you uploaded to the picture life it's
0:35:42Google authority without those things where ever it is the whole point should
0:35:45be that worst-case scenario you should still have online backup and you still
0:35:50have local backup you still have local clones but I like having like yet
0:35:54another thing that it actually dedicated to photos that despite all those things
0:35:58those described by using back later or you know time machine or super duper
0:36:03clones you know you're backing up over your network to whatever is on top of
0:36:08that have another thing that says oh and by the way every time you take a picture
0:36:12with your phone gets uploaded to the cloud thing and then get downloaded onto
0:36:15your Mac and every time you import photos from the sdcard onto gets
0:36:18uploaded to the cloud and download on your phone
0:36:21and you don't have to have all your whores everywhere but on a particular
0:36:24Mac you can say please download it for is everywhere the one with the big hard
0:36:27drive having that extra system on top of all your backups just makes me feel
0:36:31better about pictures so it doesn't really matter if it's photos a picture
0:36:34of life or you go back in time you've ever picks or other products you might
0:36:39discuss later part of the show if we don't go long on this thanksgiving stuff
0:36:43yeah I'm not specifically endorsing photos I'm endorsing the idea of Apple
0:36:48doing the obvious thing for photo services and it not being terrible yeah
0:36:53and you know and we will we have been talking and many people been talking
0:36:56before they announce this like their other various photo solutions they like
0:37:00photostream before this kind of like a half solution and we we've been calling
0:37:05them to do something like this forever but no one thought they actually would
0:37:09and then not only did they do it but it was good even free version 1.0 it wasn't
0:37:15perfect but it was pretty good and end the imperfections are only limited
0:37:20relate to the front and app the actual back in the storage in the sinking
0:37:24engine in my experience and I think I think most experienced worked solidly
0:37:30from day one there was always like I said there was there is bugs but like as
0:37:35long as they're not intractable a lot of times early on people like that it had a
0:37:39bunch of black squares or am i thinkI feeli get that thinks that history
0:37:42upload everything like and it's mistaken about that or all sorts of problems
0:37:46we're either operations of taking a long time there are a couple of like crashing
0:37:51in the middle of the import of whatever but the bottom line is if you just kept
0:37:55trying eventually it reached a point where it's settled down which is not
0:37:58true of for example the time machine and spotlight last time but never settle
0:38:03down vote the best you can say about viruses sometimes it's geared up 1.0 had
0:38:07weird bugs but in my personal experience is I never had the new can pay right
0:38:12some people did so you know obviously it's not that it's it's both of my
0:38:17personal experiences even when it was weird just eventually powered through
0:38:21with me not doing anything other than
0:38:23and maybe repeatedly trying and settles into a state now where would I take a
0:38:28photo on my wife takes August the library's her as i dont wanna get into
0:38:31this anyway on the phone and then go to the Mac eventually the picture shows up
0:38:36and that's all I ask for again because he liked to that they really the Photos
0:38:42app is very very good and it was very good since 1.0 and it's only gotten
0:38:47better with 1.1 and I still do all my editing first for a photoshoot with with
0:38:53the big hammer I still do anything first and Lightroom and then I kinda like pick
0:38:58and pick and editing Lightroom and then export as for quality JPEG into photos
0:39:03because I i dont care for photos editing tools too much but for iPhone shot
0:39:08pictures to find and on the iPhone like having had bility and and you know my my
0:39:14fancy pictures once I do like a first pass at it with Lightroom I'm probably
0:39:19never gonna talk soon after that you know it's just do their export into the
0:39:23library that's faster is it doesn't have the giant rock how to deal with and it's
0:39:27nice it really is nice I i I have no I have no regrets about photo library
0:39:32second spots this week is automatic on AXA connected car adapter that plugs
0:39:38into your car's diagnostic port pairs with your phone and agreed to there were
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0:40:03temporary like your gas cap was open it has all the data coming in from your car
0:40:06I can tell you things like how efficiently you're driving if you want
0:40:09to hit certain goals can alert you if you like hitting the brakes too hard hit
0:40:12the gas too hard it can also tell you a lot of your trips if you want to track
0:40:16that he can do things like have expense reports we're driving you can just see
0:40:20where you go to most if you want it can keep your party locations you never lose
0:40:24your car in a parking lot if you have an accident and it detects that the port
0:40:28you can even call emergency services for you if you are unable to
0:40:31it can really do quite a bit now they also have an app store with automatic
0:40:35Automattic com slash apps you can see over 20 amp so far more being added all
0:40:39the time you can use your car's data in all kinds of different ways so for
0:40:43example they have a trigger with ifttt if this thing that you can build recipes
0:40:48for things like turning my nest thermostat when I'm close to home
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0:41:02learning how to drive and you wanna can attract the driving and make sure that
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0:41:10also the things you can do with the automatic device and of course
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0:41:26there's no monthly fee or anything you just pay that one price up front and
0:41:31then that's it you don't have to pay for the service every month so normally this
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0:41:50check it out and automatic home / ATP thanks a lot
0:41:54alright Marco do you want to go again or do you want to try to reverse the order
0:41:58here just make your next ok my number two after my only other and I gotta have
0:42:07a 1.2 1.3 my next one on the list john is the continued growth of podcasting I
0:42:19i have made I have really focused my career easily on podcasting on a number
0:42:23of fronts
0:42:24you know we do this podcast I have the pocket of my wife top for an epochal
0:42:29underscore David Smith an under the radar and of course I make a podcast app
0:42:33called overcast I i really busy thanks now I'm really I'm just very thankful
0:42:39that this industry continues to not only exist and be healthy but to thrive and
0:42:44grow I really I love podcasting I i love it as a listener I love it as a producer
0:42:51I love it as a programmer it is great there's tons of opportunity as a
0:42:55programmer at as a listener I podcasters in my life I'm I'm an epochal center for
0:43:00a long before I was really involved in them and I guess I gotta love listen to
0:43:05podcasts I don't have to explain it to most people think this probably and also
0:43:09as a podcaster I love the act of podcasting and I was I was kinda had
0:43:14this tweet tweet storming of the call it when he just too much money I think
0:43:19that's it you got it yeah it so I i treat all over the place earlier today
0:43:23about I been holding back a lot from blocking recently because the
0:43:30expectations and their reactions that you get out of blogging for me have
0:43:34become just really negative I whenever I've blogged and anything substantial
0:43:39recently I have often regretted it afterwards because the the the amount
0:43:44and the type of attention that results from it is is not good for me it's it's
0:43:50not pleasant it's it's not satisfying it actually just feel like a burden and it
0:43:55resulted in a lot of misunderstanding a lot of attention a lot of flames and a
0:44:01lot of sensationalism that that I just do not want blocking also takes a long
0:44:06time no writing as difficult as it if you don't write you might I realize but
0:44:11writing is really quite difficult and time-consuming especially if you're
0:44:14trying to do it well it's very very hard to really do well if I wanted to do
0:44:20things like if I wanted to write this as a blog post of just like hearing i'm
0:44:23talking about how great podcasting as compared to blogging this would take me
0:44:27probably four hours to write a blog post and it wouldn't say it is when I can in
0:44:34a podcast I can basically with no preparation spew out random thoughts
0:44:39like this for about four minutes and have it all covered and have expressed
0:44:44pretty much all the same ideas
0:44:46possibly even better in in a more informal way that
0:44:50you people listening to this can hear me as a human being you know me from the
0:44:55context of the rest of the show and for any other shows you listen to the live
0:44:57in on you can give me the benefit of the doubt because you you have some sense of
0:45:01my personality from this and it just it just a much more humane medium so with
0:45:07podcasting I don't get many flames if I hardly ever get any kind of negativity
0:45:11about things I say in a podcast unable to get out way more ideas per unit of
0:45:17time effort put into it and it's it just feels better it's hard to explain in in
0:45:24in full how how it feels but i just think for me it is right now more
0:45:30natural communication floor mandame and a safer one because I'm kind of burnt
0:45:35out on the negativity to make it whenever I write anything you know this
0:45:38isn't to say I'm going to stop writing but I've certainly dramatically slowed
0:45:41down and it's no coincidence as I do more podcasts I write less because I
0:45:46just find podcasting works better for me right now and at this point in my life
0:45:50yeah I agree I've really been phenomenally lucky to have been a part
0:45:56of neutral love this show
0:45:58analog my other show unreal a family that my curly good job casey you did
0:46:03apply finally we keep setting up for the shot but it's both of you with a sports
0:46:11metaphor I'm very proud of you both anyway so and I've been very thankful to
0:46:15be a part of this and in to be able to participate in the end you know as we've
0:46:19discussed some of the show and i've discussed quite a bit on an analog I I
0:46:24have always felt some modicum of guilt for kind of having just found my way on
0:46:29here by accident but but but no other communities be really good to me and
0:46:36it's been a really phenomenal been phenomenally lucky to be a part of this
0:46:40and in a part of the community that we are in maybe next year we can finally
0:46:45convince you that like you didn't you aren't just like here accidentally like
0:46:48you are a host of the show you are one of three host of the show you are not
0:46:53just some guy who is stuck in a chair that I sit there while we thought
0:46:57yea time scale perhaps I'll believe that but but anyway I can hear John rolling
0:47:03his eyes right now we're all here accidentally is what I was thinking but
0:47:10now but it's it's been a really phenomenal and and I couldn't i couldn't
0:47:14be more thankful I was gonna make this job and really cheesy way but im gonna
0:47:17say it genuinely I couldn't be more thankful to be doing it with you to find
0:47:21gentleman and and and I'm really am so unbelievably proud of the work we've
0:47:26done here and unbelievably thankful that it's gone on as long as it happened and
0:47:31that any of you listening to this right now have have been stuck around in have
0:47:36chosen as long as you have so thank you to you guys and to everyone listening
0:47:41because this has been really phenomenal I think I'd write more if I didn't have
0:47:45a job
0:47:47amen brother Marcus Wright like you know if you podcast more like you can get a
0:47:53lot of ideas out but you would otherwise have to to write up in the pockets as I
0:47:57got my system you feel like you did you have something you just need to express
0:48:00right but mainly for me I feel like it's just not enough hours in the day and
0:48:07it's just so much more efficient to scramble for a couple minutes on a
0:48:11podcast you feel like well got that out of my system when it would take longer
0:48:15to write it in but I feel like if I had it in have to go to work every day I
0:48:21have all the showers and I probably would do the thing that Marcos and
0:48:24occasionally and so you know less so now that I might anything anymore
0:48:28practically but like where you either talk about something on a podcast and
0:48:32inspires you to write it up or you write something on your blog and that inspires
0:48:36you to talk about on the podcast that that's energy I still enjoy I just never
0:48:40have time for the part you write anything
0:48:45fair enough as it is I make it my turn I take it does alright so I'd actually
0:48:51this is a little bit of a cop out but I have other options as well I actually AM
0:48:55super thankful for my big semi fancy camera I have an Olympus om-d cm10 which
0:49:02is a terrible name it is a Micro Four Thirds camera and for a long time
0:49:06especially after Marco and tippen and Aaron I got reacquainted after mark when
0:49:12I lost touch for a long time I've always been jealous of what I'm looking for but
0:49:18I've always been intrigued by really nice camera equipment in and be a novel
0:49:24ways fancied myself like interested in photography but I wouldn't say I've ever
0:49:28been particularly great at it but right before Dec was born we finally bought
0:49:32this Micro Four Thirds camera which was a fair bit of money I mean it was
0:49:37something like $15 for the camera and a couple under the body in a couple of
0:49:41lenses and I wasn't sure if it was really worth it
0:49:44and Aaron wasn't sure feels really worth it because you we had I think 6 and
0:49:48iPhone 6 at the time which take it takes and took really great pictures but I am
0:49:54so thankful for big digital cameras still being a thing because having a
0:50:01camera with with glass that's bigger than a finger tip just makes for some
0:50:08incredible pictures and it's been really it's been really awesome to see some of
0:50:13the pictures I've been able to capture of not only Declan but my whole family
0:50:17and extended family through this camera that really in the grand scheme of
0:50:20things is not that terribly much money and so I'm extraordinarily thankful that
0:50:24it exists and I'm extra extraordinarily thankful that I think that that i've
0:50:30i've been able to that I bought one in there have been able to make some decent
0:50:34pictures come out of this camera and so digital photography in general not just
0:50:39live photos that that's yeah I'm still jealous of all your nice cameras but i
0:50:45feel like im going two miles total library was gathering photos for holiday
0:50:51things as you do and also pleased with the performance of prison
0:50:55back enjoying the fact that I can grow and do stuff although I put an item in
0:51:00the notes about my latest photo complaints they don't want to do that
0:51:05for the last thing but to sit next week yeah but like as a swell backwards in
0:51:13time towards like my oldest child but the baby you do see the quality of the
0:51:19pictures go down I think it's going to be less pronounced for Declan because I
0:51:24think like you know the the curves start it
0:51:27level off a little bit because there's sort of the limit of the human visual
0:51:31system and what feature sizes you can resolve a typical distances and blah
0:51:35blah blah but we got our very first digital camera ever before my son was
0:51:42born my first child and was not very good quality early days and you can
0:51:48really see it so it's kind of a shame I can't go back in time with the fans are
0:51:52Cameron I think about maybe I'm thinking the same thing now with the current
0:51:54because I'm taking my kid with my camera that does not cost as much as a good
0:51:59used car they're fine they're good but I can tell the difference between my
0:52:05camera and a fancy camera like it's impossible not to be able to tell the
0:52:09difference especially if if there is not a hundred percent Blazing Sun light on a
0:52:13clear day then all of a sudden I can tell the difference so I'm very often do
0:52:17consider buying fancy camera and maybe someday will but for now I'm limping
0:52:22along with my so a superzoom cameras in my phone so that's not that bad I'm
0:52:28trying to figure out what used car that's pretty good you could get for
0:52:31$1,500 on the corner of course of course I John what else thankful for my next
0:52:41item on the list is probably not surprising boring to everybody who is
0:52:45tech nerd including both of you but I put them in this tiny babies that bill
0:52:49like this was not the summer of George this was the year of big SSDs in my
0:52:54house as he's been around forever to get it is the life of Bob time I am
0:53:00I'm not interested in talking put all my stuff even fusion drive came out I think
0:53:04was a really great idea and from all accounts is work really well Mike but
0:53:08for me I should hold out for all my crap honesty remember on podcast many years
0:53:13ago was this podcast was it some other one I was like hold out for one terabyte
0:53:18SSD and I go good luck there's gonna be so expensive you can get one today but
0:53:21it's like thousands of dollars I can be cheap but you know waiting awhile why
0:53:25did I wait to really long time and eventually one terabyte SSDs became less
0:53:31than ridiculously expensive still very expensive but as soon as they came down
0:53:35in price looks like three the prices you know 500 $600 I got one for him and made
0:53:42a big difference as you would imagine just doing this is the big thing for me
0:53:46is that they are big that I can fit all of my stuff and the size of all my stuff
0:53:52has changed a lot over the years and I like your is trying to keep the all my
0:53:58stuff size somewhere within the bounds of economical hard drive size but
0:54:02partners can exerting so big 21 terabyte terabytes retail but for a terabyte
0:54:06spinning disk was like oh no I gotta make sure my stuff doesn't thoughtful
0:54:09turns out my stuff has been growing more slowly and my stuff comfortably fits in
0:54:14one terabyte snow avatar my guess is they want to go but the iMac is a
0:54:18terabyte St and now finally the two main computer in the house are all of our
0:54:24stuff on them and I'm very happy about it
0:54:27yeah I held out a really long time before getting an SSD because the first
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0:54:50shirts faster I'm sure it's great but it can't possibly make that much oh my god
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0:57:05me is slack interesting ok that's a good when I would have put that on there if I
0:57:10had thought of it yeah I agree with that so first of all slackers really just
0:57:13good at like you know as as a product slackers good it is like
0:57:18when I first saw it I thought well that's just IRC
0:57:22fancied up IRC and that's true it is just finished a piracy but it's really
0:57:27good turns out by RCA is really nice feature is not that it's like fancied up
0:57:34I received the key feature is that like it is a name brand company thing you can
0:57:39get the slack app for the platform of your choice and it is slack our season I
0:57:43guess you like the client just something I really know your client works just
0:57:48type / something like this was like a client just to get slack and then you've
0:57:52got it you have to worry about people figuring out all point and click an
0:57:56unlimited amount of command-line silliness the NRC you know really it had
0:58:01a lot of shortcomings compared to slacken not just the client thing but
0:58:04just like the complexity of the the geeky roots of it it's and limitations
0:58:09of it not being persistent on the class just it's not a IR si has a sports place
0:58:14for sure but slacked us too and i think is by far the more friendly option of
0:58:19the two and it also has way more features and it's pretty nice anyway so
0:58:23I likes like a lot and I like that kind of lead to earlier I mentioned I was
0:58:29kind of worn out from negativity that I've gotten from being so public online
0:58:34slack allows me to have these small private groups of friends that things
0:58:40that I would have previously posted to Twitter now a lot of those things are
0:58:44going to slack and a lot of the conversations that I'm having a lot of
0:58:48the Keeping Up with friends what they're doing a lot more of that is happening in
0:58:52slack now then on Twitter for me and I think that's good because for so long we
0:58:58had things on the web where we're like this the best communication method on
0:59:03the web or so often public or semi-public Facebook where it's like
0:59:08it's supposed to be private most of the time but sometimes you setting
0:59:11everything public course from a default whatever it's nice to have something
0:59:15that is private I do think there's a place for those things there's a balance
0:59:19to be struck and it's you know just it's nice that we are we are willing to
0:59:24explore that balance rather than just make everything public
0:59:28and a driven on the entire internet and every way we communicate and so it's
0:59:33nice having having slack for me has been a nice kind and gentle reprieve from
0:59:40everything being in public because the fact is so many of my of my friends are
0:59:45people who have met in this business people like you guys who work with who
0:59:50who don't live near its like sit down and have lunch with you guys every day
0:59:55you know I I work at home for myself you know i i had lunch with my wife and my
0:59:59kids my dog the night my friend interaction or limited mostly to online
1:00:03stuff so it's nice to have just like a kindly private safe place for that to
1:00:07happen and now into psych provide that for me but from what I hear from a lot
1:00:12of other people and provide that to lots of people it it doesn't just like a
1:00:16desperate for Marco think like a lot of people you slack this way in small
1:00:20groups with their friends and it's really great for that and i am just very
1:00:23thankful if such a thing exists but is getting enough traction to be useful
1:00:28the company of this is that as we record today slack was down for many people the
1:00:34day to mention that but yeah doesn't matter this is done this is the first
1:00:38time I've ever seen down to the honeymoon period before marcos and a big
1:00:42roundabouts like being centralized thing controlled by a single company scurrying
1:00:46all the clients and their API and pricing aw stock so enjoy it while I
1:00:52know I'm being negative anyway I think everything that Marco said basically
1:00:56like in the big continuum of between public in like I am as the the private
1:01:00things like you know small group on Glee private message and public you have web
1:01:06forums are comments or bulletin boards and later things like Twitter and stuff
1:01:10like that and it's like as a nice middle-ground time to say no ground the
1:01:14Google+ was going for but missed where it's not one to one like I am and it's
1:01:18not in public or email that I is not in public like message boards or Twitter
1:01:23it's in between and it's not the only downside of course is now they were all
1:01:27we're all in a million different slacks because these in between things are sort
1:01:30of self organizing groups of people around particular interest to
1:01:35institutions or whatever and those circles overlap alot but we have to be
1:01:40in all of them if you want to keep up with this offense that could prevent
1:01:42that prevents that you're in three slacks that are that form is weird Venn
1:01:46diagram sometimes I have trouble keeping track of what slack I said which is on
1:01:52the same application that's one stupid single window working guys find more
1:01:59windows more than one call me crazy but I lose track of where I said things in
1:02:08which group of friends I said them to and who is on what page about what but I
1:02:13think that's a good problem to have liked having this middle ground even
1:02:16though that has meant one more place for me to check for things that have gone on
1:02:21I am NOT a slack completionist so they don't have that problem but still I do
1:02:26have to end its like to its credit gives you lots of really cool options for how
1:02:30you want to be notified and about what
1:02:33so sad that input on my list and now I'm the Marco stealing things from other
1:02:40peoples this is a test I completely agree with black and and it doesn't
1:02:48matter you know who your particular group of friends is or or whatever the
1:02:51case maybe it's just having a group of people even be friends or family you can
1:02:56communicate with often geographically
1:02:59all over the place is just really fantastic and the thing that one of the
1:03:03things I love about slack that that is in some ways ruined me for like iMessage
1:03:07and other things is the rich text preview sort of you call them so if you
1:03:13put a link to a tweet into a slack channel it will do its best to expand
1:03:18that queen show you the contents of the tween maybe even a picture of those
1:03:21media attached in oh my god I wish I could have that 44 I message that would
1:03:26be so so useful and and I really love that peter it's such a silly thing that
1:03:30makes a world of difference
1:03:32yeah so it's my turn this is a weird one
1:03:35I am super thankful for my lightning to HDMI adapter which he is a hard thing to
1:03:43say but this past weekend as with many weekends in the fall
1:03:49and I went to see the University of Virginia play football in his life who I
1:03:56am actually a hokey which means I went to Virginia Tech we are big rivals just
1:03:59go with the markup language stuff that cuts deep John so anyways we basically
1:04:12we are big rival school so Marco this is like TIFF going to Michigan does it make
1:04:16more sense to you yes that is the one sport rather than I am familiar with
1:04:20simply because I grew up in Columbus so you can't you couldn't not know about
1:04:24that one
1:04:25funds that the correct answers actually Penn State but anyway the point is that
1:04:28it just like OSU and pinch-hitter angles yet now Michigan and Michigan well know
1:04:38you are right to say Michigan and Ohio State but in the same conference as Penn
1:04:42State both my younger brothers went to Penn State so that's where my my my
1:04:46association is but anyway so the point I bring this up because we went to a
1:04:52sports ball so when we went tailgating over the years we've been doing this for
1:04:57a few years now we've updated our tailgate setup from you know just a
1:05:02grill to a grill and a kind of ok generator to a grill and a kind of fancy
1:05:09generator and so grill generator and TV and this year it was this past weekend
1:05:17actually it just so happened that my beloved Virginia Tech Hokies were
1:05:20playing noon game that I really wanted to watch and the UVA game was at 3:30
1:05:27and so we were tailgating while that while the Hokies were playing and it was
1:05:32on ESPN the problem with that is we have an over the air antenna that we bring to
1:05:36the tailgate in its full each d so we can watch you know all the local
1:05:39channels and Charles hill on each D in the middle of a parking lot basically at
1:05:45the University virginia which is really incredible I'm thankful for that too but
1:05:49in this case it was ESPN and so what I did was I got my phone and I plug my
1:05:55phone into the Lightning teach you might after plugged-in HDMI cable from that
1:05:59into the TV and we were able to watch my beloved Virginia Tech
1:06:02cokie's lose as we're sitting in the middle of this parking lot at UVA which
1:06:09is just i mean to think about it like I remember watching Nickelodeon as a kid
1:06:13and watching like double tier and some of those games shows in you would see
1:06:17that like the grand prize was this god awful terrible video phone but this was
1:06:23like you know the early nineties and so you could probably only video dial like
1:06:27two other people in the entire country but you know little postage stamp size
1:06:32like black and white video phone and it was amazing and I remember thinking to
1:06:38myself how could that possibly be that you could see video you know on a
1:06:42telephone and then fast forward was at fifteen twenty years whatever the case
1:06:45may be and I'm sitting in a parking lot with the full 32 inch TV showing a
1:06:51picture that's coming off a cellular telephone like it's just ridiculous that
1:06:55that's a possibility and so this little obscenely expensive $50 lightning to
1:07:00HDMI adapter made all that possible that in my data which of course it was like
1:07:06two weeks ago that I finally ditched my unlimited data plan perhaps not a good
1:07:09choice but so it only cost me like two or three gigs of data for the two or
1:07:13three hours we were watching the football game so I'm really thankful for
1:07:17that you should take care all that booty once you get your new one duck taped to
1:07:21the back your TV and get refund $50 cable that are coming to the price they
1:07:27don't have a TV and then you can also charge your phone that makes it so much
1:07:30better I was able to charge my phone because I one of the ports on the
1:07:35Lightning to HDMI adapter is another lightning port
1:07:37yes I passes through power and since we had a generator right there when I pass
1:07:43through power to the phone which worked out really well I'm concerned about how
1:07:46many fumes you're inhaling with this generator that's like running the other
1:07:52people are as mister just been an appeal into it and then and now it's it's a
1:07:57it's actually very very fancy generators not ours it's one of the guys who
1:08:00tailgate with but it's an inverter generator so it it it emits a perfect
1:08:04sine wave which is pretty cool
1:08:05not talking about the different i know i understand you're saying it was just an
1:08:11aside so but we we bring these fifty foot extension cords so that things like
1:08:15that
1:08:16away from us probably near somebody else is in the other air and into speaking
1:08:23like where we tailgate is actually not it's it's not a parking lot where in a
1:08:28little field in front of the Astronomy building a VA don't be creepy and so
1:08:32it's late so small field and we try to point the generator pretty much away
1:08:36from everyone else but it's it's not near us and yet I remain concerned just
1:08:41like us have market coming to practice test text and use the big battery if I
1:08:46would kill to have Marco come to a football game with me that would be
1:08:50amazing but but now it's not quite that simple I think they would like to
1:08:55generate power right so if you go there and in electric car with a huge battery
1:09:00fully charged that'll that'll do for tailgating right probably maybe I mean
1:09:05the TV we use his old so it's probably not very efficient but there are times
1:09:09then we'll use like a griddle so for example this upcoming weekend it's our
1:09:13big game it's it's Aaron steam in my team playing each other and this year
1:09:17it's in Charlotte cells were gonna go and we are probably going to use a
1:09:22griddle which is a heating element which which is you know a million watts and so
1:09:25for that you'd probably want a generator because it would drain Marcus Phantom
1:09:30test will in like three and a half seconds
1:09:32think it would be I'm being a little facetious here but I still the math
1:09:36someone the shower room get out the slide rule she well for one thing I know
1:09:40that to charge a Tesla from like a 40 amp outlets though takes like 10 hours
1:09:46you don't realize how much power they have a granite top perfect efficient
1:09:50power but it takes a ridiculous amount of power to move a car like that you
1:09:56should realize how much power to just buy the not even doing the math by
1:10:00thinking about their taking this multi $1000 car and accelerating and
1:10:04decelerating and pushing it through the win for you know three hundred miles
1:10:08anyway this is the future of tailgating mark my words electric-powered pickup
1:10:12truck so the entire bed as much I love him I'm batteries
1:10:15you're probably right quick real-time follow up a quick things first of all it
1:10:20occurred to me that tailgating is probably a uniquely American thing sure
1:10:23hope so maybe Australians get across america light
1:10:27ok see ya please email me I didn't mean that in an offensive way but I'm screwed
1:10:32now anyway so what that means is so before a football game or a bowl game
1:10:37depending on how you look at it a lot of times what people will do is they will
1:10:41go to the parking lot outside the stadium they're going to and they will
1:10:46consume adult beverages and you know it's kind of chat and hang out and grill
1:10:51food in and eat food and do all the things you'd expect a bunch of Americans
1:10:55to do but do it outside and so some people take a little more seriously like
1:10:59we do and bring in generators they can watch other football games while they're
1:11:02waiting to watch the football game they want to see that's so that's what
1:11:07tailgating is and it did the etymology there is because oftentimes you'll hang
1:11:10out around the tailgate of a pickup truck although neither of us a pickup
1:11:14trucks and the other piece real-time follow-up it is not be let me teach you
1:11:17might after the official name is lightning Digital AV Adapter which I
1:11:21would have known had I done my homework so John your turn
1:11:26think of something else we're going to do the next round with over coming to
1:11:30the end of the show anyway so maybe we'll be at least one more wanna talk
1:11:33about what can you get all the lightning round after this case is lining and I
1:11:39know I was about to say I i I was too early on that one
1:11:42this one should be easy to guess anyone who's been listening to me on this or
1:11:46any other podcast the third item is destiny product not since quake 3 arena
1:11:54and Unreal Tournament 2004 have spent this much time playing a single video
1:11:58game I PlayStation 4 is essentially a destiny machine especially since I
1:12:02removed from the television terrible burning reasons all I do is play destiny
1:12:09played a lot and I'm afraid to look at the total number of hours recently about
1:12:13that you would think it would get boring but you know obviously cinema most
1:12:17airplane with other people and that extends life the games the same reason
1:12:20quake 3 arena real tournament were
1:12:22for so long because you are playing with other people so the game is much less
1:12:26predictable than playing like a single player game or a game against
1:12:29computer-controlled opponents because people are inscrutable
1:12:32and kind of like went through an unreal tournament there is a steady flow of
1:12:37content back in the old days it was maps that other people it makes you download
1:12:41new apps for Quaker and new maps are unwilling to try them out sometimes the
1:12:46new maps will come from the people who made the game's most the times not the
1:12:50case of Destiny all new content coming from bundy but they've had a steady
1:12:54stream of expansion is that yes you pay for but like I was saying about this
1:12:57someone recently the dollar per hour of enjoyment I'm gonna destiny its ratio is
1:13:03phenomenal
1:13:05compared to pay homage anything else like it is 60 bucks in the game
1:13:08expansion 40 bucks and expansion but do the division of the number of hours
1:13:12you're like oh this is like the cheapest entertainment dollars ever so the
1:13:18expansions really have kept it fresh for me and you know the the constant
1:13:22adjustments to the game and the systems in the game and the items and everything
1:13:25to Bungie is doing for just from week to week not just for the expansion for me
1:13:29to be doing little tweaks here and there and explaining why they do them that's
1:13:32an interesting sort of surrounding context for the game where there's the
1:13:37game and then there's the talking about the game then there's the reading about
1:13:40the future of things that are going on in the game and I think for the most
1:13:43part but she has been keeping things moving in the right direction if you you
1:13:47know questionable decisions that they're going back and forth on but 2.0 the big
1:13:512.0 change the entire game isn't really address the lot of the worst parts of
1:13:55the progression system in the early game so destiny is my first MMO because I
1:14:01generally hate him and I was but I really like first-person shooter games
1:14:04and has really good first person shooter and as far as I can tell having never
1:14:08played any emotion for I think it's really funny too so thumbs up on destiny
1:14:13did you ever get into counter strike out of curiosity
1:14:17it's not quite the same kind of but it is though it's it's a new plan so that
1:14:21human beings and so it's much more interesting than playing by yourself
1:14:24I i tend to stay away from the more militaristic first-person shooters that
1:14:30just they've never really appealed to the closer they get to like real life
1:14:33guns with not a real life you know gun aficionado so the closer they get to
1:14:38realize comes in real life military I just find it off but even though
1:14:41counter-strike still you know basically like you know like I guess they about
1:14:45criterion and reserve it's basically a game of tag has very little to do with
1:14:48actual guns but it's close enough that it sort of propels me a little bit which
1:14:53is completely fantastical you know Space Marines or shooting aliens ur powered
1:15:00armor whatever other weird stuff you've gotten franchises like Halo and Gears of
1:15:05War kind of a guess but I tend to stay away from the military things and
1:15:10destiny I guess technically they're kind of the military but it's really just
1:15:13like lasers and ppl in space aliens only asked as i log out a time playing
1:15:21counterstrike when I was at Virginia Tech and not doing the things I should
1:15:24have been doing like study but I love to counter strike and I i love to the quake
1:15:29as well as quick so long ago I think that was my jam but it was alright does
1:15:38that mean already sponsors so I guess Marco wanna do your lightning round
1:15:41entry it's it's a little bit silly mid-on list really cuz I'm I'm still a
1:15:47little bit like 50 50 on how much I like it but the number 69 go with the Apple
1:15:54watch because it really has driven a positive influence in my life and the
1:16:02Apple watches this is another one of the blog post I keep trying to write and
1:16:06star in to rate and failing to write to write my like Apple watch six months and
1:16:11post of course now it's like seven months and I started writing on it was
1:16:15three months in and and the Apple watch it's easy to get announced soon so he's
1:16:22been here because I I do wear mine everyday i've i've tried going without
1:16:27it for a few days
1:16:28and I don't miss it as much as I think I would before I do it and there are parts
1:16:35of it that haven't been as Dicky for me just because they aren't that reliable
1:16:39and and what are the things that I like about it there's an asterisk after each
1:16:45one I do love it for notifications I do love it for a very quick serious things
1:16:52I do love it for the activity tracking and I do love having the weather thing
1:16:57on the face and the other complications but all those things are kind of like
1:17:0175% there so I just kind of tentatively there I'm very happy this product exists
1:17:08but I I think it still needs a lot more work on both the hardware and the
1:17:13software before it's very good but I do like where it is now and it had it did
1:17:18something that I didn't think was possible which is it transform me into a
1:17:22person as I mentioned when it was new I hadn't wanna watch you for this since
1:17:28like high school now that we're in the cell phone revolution and to the point
1:17:32of a watch but now they have one I like it a lot and so now I'm starting to look
1:17:36at other watches that don't have screens and don't have batteries another
1:17:42expensive hobby is a great yeah and I'm starting to like take joy in the day in
1:17:49the design of nice watches and that's kinda nice you know so we'll see what
1:17:55happens but but I like the Apple watching generally it's a it's a good
1:18:00product I wouldn't say it sincerely a great one yet but it is a good product
1:18:04now and it has given positive change my life so I appreciate that you know it's
1:18:09funny you bring that bring up the Apple watches your lighting round entry
1:18:12because my red lightning round entry is the Apple is going to say the exact same
1:18:17thing and I think the piece that is is most startling to me is the
1:18:24notifications which you brought up a moment ago I haven't heard my phone
1:18:30except when I've accidentally turned the ringer back on since I received my Apple
1:18:35watch which was what may or something like that so I haven't heard my phone
1:18:40since then and I think that's a good thing and I i had even before the Apple
1:18:46outside cold a lot of my notifications in in brought that number way way way
1:18:49down and you know I turned off a lot of 24 notifications turned off
1:18:52notifications a lot of those that I really didn't need to be notified about
1:18:57turned off and even with all of those notifications off you haven't turned
1:19:03those back on since I've gotta watch but even what remains things like text
1:19:07messages or emails from VIPs or what have you
1:19:10nobody else has to know when that stuff is happening I get a nice little tap tap
1:19:15tap on my wrist and that's that and I really really really love that I too
1:19:21have in my list of things to do my six months and now seven months in Apple I
1:19:27too have been procrastinating because I haven't figured out what my angle is
1:19:31really but I completely concur with you that especially for a device that as
1:19:37with most things I hemmed and hawed about I'm really glad I got it I love it
1:19:42so much for just keeping that that noise clutter out of my life and yes of course
1:19:48I'm still getting notified about these things but I don't know just having it
1:19:52be silent I just like so much begin in a bit just because I feel like it's kind
1:19:56of disrespectful to have your devices bringing in bombing well while other
1:20:01people are around and I just love that pissed that my phone has been silent
1:20:05since May and that's really awesome God that I'm so now I'm so glad I was gonna
1:20:12say if you two had not mention the Apple actually would've been weird to have to
1:20:17have us none of us mention Apple's you know new product line that you know like
1:20:22the the big thing that the latest big thing I wuv wishing I was also mentioned
1:20:27but the latest big things from apple the Apple large come towards the end of
1:20:32Arles I really wouldn't put it on mine mostly because the avalanche has not
1:20:37change the fact that I am NOT a person I do not like things that I rest my wife
1:20:42only real-time heckling me about how often I forget to put my watch and my my
1:20:47plan what I've done my plan to always wear to work but I very often forget
1:20:52when I do wear to work I find it convenient just like a little tap tap on
1:20:56the wrist to you know to be able to have it cracked like even though I don't do
1:21:02it market doesn't like actually trying to fill the circles and stuff I do like
1:21:05to get the stand-up reminders and I do make a little bit of extra effort to be
1:21:09more mobile network is that basically reminds you like it's like I was outside
1:21:13run various times R Us iraq your mind you hey I know you're kind of like in
1:21:17the zone on some issue but remember to get up and just like the refill your
1:21:22water covered cannot take a walk around or do something else and I do find it a
1:21:28specially convened
1:21:31so I don't have to do anything on my phone even without a sitting on the desk
1:21:35it just seems so much and even with HID seems like so much more of an effort to
1:21:39pick the things up but my thumb thing on my incredibly slow iPhone 6 without the
1:21:44the way those extra to go on we're going to watch none of that is involved in a
1:21:50look at it and and Apple pan the watch I find it all so much nicer than doing i
1:21:54will pay on the phone I do it like a plan to use it whenever whenever
1:21:57possible can I use that will pay and double tapping the watch is nicer than
1:22:01again putting the phone new thing and trying to the thumb piano is not ready
1:22:04mytouch I D and then just automatically so I wouldn't put it on my list because
1:22:10it is just reinforce that I'm not a white person I know I can also say that
1:22:13the watches like something that I guess I wouldn't have bought it on my own
1:22:19cause I did buy it on my own but it was kind of like well I should probably buy
1:22:23it to see what all the fuss is about like it's kind of like I bought it for
1:22:27work work being this podcast whereas I was another podcast and wasn't writing
1:22:30that text up I probably wouldn't have voted in the end I'm so glad I bought it
1:22:35but I'm let's put it this way I'm not going to rush out to buy the next
1:22:39version of the Apple watch probably wait a couple revisions and targets way that
1:22:43it is I think a lot of my reasons the watches not the Apple I essentially for
1:22:47watches in general I just don't like things I rest of the smaller and lighter
1:22:51and less like an Airstream trailer
1:22:53that's right I know I said it earlier but it would really be wrong of me not
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1:23:10bushel alright and we will see you next week we doing a tag team I got the I
1:23:16love with you will see you next week do you say we will see we don't actually
1:23:20see them I do say that thank you for ruining it now
1:23:24alright it's fine I just want to overthink it now the show they didn't
1:23:33even mean to be in accidental accidental
1:23:42Casey
1:23:45it was fun and a team Marco
1:24:28there was also a good idea john i do want to add one more kind of bonus 1
1:24:34year ago so one is the Apple pencil and this is a really short one because it's
1:24:40you know it's easy when you say you know what the best of the year the stuff that
1:24:43he most recently tends to be more weight in your mind so I don't know what I mean
1:24:48I think long-term about it but the a pencil is really cool and yes the Apple
1:24:52TV is also knew the Apple TV i think is more of a mixed bag in terms of
1:24:55complexity and some of its remaining shortcomings and everything but the
1:25:00intensively only does one thing and it does that one thing already today from
1:25:05day one and it does it shockingly well once you can find one but it and it is
1:25:12so good and it's so nice to use that it is making me keep borrowing tips iPad
1:25:18Peru and keep wishing I had more of a reason to use this pencil because I am
1:25:24NOT a visual artist I don't illustrate things I don't make diagrams I don't
1:25:29take notes I I don't really have a good reason to use it but I wish I did
1:25:34because it's just so pleasant and delightful and just like technically
1:25:39satisfying like I know how good it is like it's it's also nice to use so what
1:25:44are you doing with it I'm just playing around maybe I should start trend take
1:25:48notes on things I don't know I don't know right now just player and the
1:25:52second thing is Tesla I don't own a test yet I'm planning on buying one soon but
1:25:59I don't own one yet but one thing I like about Tesla and they eating 2015 nearly
1:26:03came into their own with this that you know in the absence of Steve Jobs now
1:26:09the world is kind of low on genius billionaire is that are kind of near the
1:26:15tech industry that are making things really interesting for everybody and
1:26:18it's fun to be in one of those groups like it's fun it was fun to be a fan of
1:26:23Apple when steve was really at its peak between 4:30 before he died but it's fun
1:26:30to be a fan of a crazy billionaire company that's doing crazy good things
1:26:37jeff has always almost been that kind of person but
1:26:40not that kind of person Steve Jobs definitely was and i think you must have
1:26:44that kind of person and where ya he's he's out of his mind but is also a
1:26:49genius and he also is very different to keep making really interesting products
1:26:55that are pushing things forward in the in this area that the team that is
1:26:58working it and so i think i think what Tesla is doing is really cool even if I
1:27:05don't end up buying one which will buy one I have pretty much decided that now
1:27:09but it's just really cool to be in one of those fandoms of these kind of
1:27:16products but he's crazy billionaires again because they they do things that
1:27:19seem so audacious and when when they do them well it's really nice and an apple
1:27:27did it well and now Tessa seems to be doing it well and so that's vertical
1:27:30Activision is kind of like a crazy billionaire Mishra destiny wow very good
1:27:39for Activision they are simply crazy
1:27:39for Activision they are simply crazy
0:00:00I made the mistake of going to the grocery store today I figured you know
0:00:03if I go yes Thanksgiving week but if I go on Monday at New no one else is gonna
0:00:10be there is a way too early and at the middle of the day people take off the
0:00:13whole week I think I don't understand where everybody was when I went to work
0:00:16today it was a little traffic there was a lot of people in the parking lot don't
0:00:19go to the the any food many places that sell food or beverages this week all of
0:00:25the traffic was in my grocery store's parking lot apparently everybody else in
0:00:30the world had the same idea that I did no one's gonna be there on Monday at
0:00:34noon i didnt i didnt know you live in a retirement community we need something
0:00:41fun and clever to start the show it maybe we can do a little bit of
0:00:44follow-up John's favorite topic
0:00:46the internet has given us a gift today and by the internet I mean David Collett
0:00:51lead I'm so sorry that I probably pronounced it wrong but david has given
0:00:57us the John Siracusa paper doll kit which this is really a call out to
0:01:03reconcile differences which this is this is a different privacy has confused
0:01:07about what we're doing that I know this was followed is John keep up or taken
0:01:10out with john why are you acknowledging the fallout has a solid meaning and you
0:01:14are arguing over what it is I don't know what followed me and so I know this is a
0:01:17topic they were probably talked about it on that other podcasts like when you say
0:01:21it like area on another network we can even a mule's but it's fine if you wanna
0:01:30do paper dolls fun guy just I wanted to be just wanted to call everyone's
0:01:34attention to this absolutely phenomenal tweet from from David with the John
0:01:40Surtees a paper doll your nose was a little read off each for my taste if
0:01:44that's a style that's not that's not a reflection on my actual knows didn't
0:01:49even notice the Clinton in 1992 shirt that's very few knew what the Rangers
0:01:56look like I should
0:01:57they're printing us out for my kids to play with my god they would have the ATP
0:02:05shared addition obviously can we get this printed on like a sheet of magnet
0:02:10things that you could actually is that is like a company that does that I'm
0:02:15sure is that he's done some other pictures of me as well as they go on
0:02:21we're running back you know that one it's the layers are in folders
0:02:27accessories torso pants footwear so you can add this is this actually you don't
0:02:32even need many can actually talk about everything right from here as long as
0:02:35you're willing to launch Photoshop as a people been doing with a composed the
0:02:38different versions of me still put a link to the belief that we will put a
0:02:45link to the website where you can see all this stuff is really is incredible
0:02:48said you guys are we all did a very terrible job explain why does exist
0:02:53yeah that's true anyway I'm reconcilable differences which is about guess it with
0:02:57marlon man we talked about closing at one point and this is my phones idea
0:03:01that someone should make a paper doll version of me to help dress me he got
0:03:05into his head that that he wants to do a makeover like that you know those are
0:03:10clear I type shows us where there's someone who doesn't have any fashion
0:03:13sense and other people with fashion sense want to fix him that's what he
0:03:17wants to do to make her want other people to do to me so he go paper dolls
0:03:20tattoos tattoos lear is a question mark after in the layer 2 because there is
0:03:28none
0:03:30get that one that nobody talks about well really get to use personally have
0:03:36never ever ever ever desire to have a tattoo on the internet you know that
0:03:40means they gonna have won six months now
0:03:49goodness knows anything I would want anything I would like enough to put on
0:03:53my body like a it would probably be like some sort of consumer BS but be
0:03:58inevitably I would end up Adrian so I can imagine so I love so I have I have
0:04:05configured now the rugby shirt jeans asics shoes and the and the John glasses
0:04:12but the boat I it's a fantastic combination hear both sides are cool and
0:04:18you would get that reference on TV I got nothing what's up for TV shows my butt
0:04:27which speaking of it I think I've gotten to the point that I hate listen to top
0:04:35four because so much of what you guys say I've never listened to a podcast
0:04:41makes you want to yell at him or i think is working as designed as far as I can
0:04:45tell how do I think you're right I absolutely think he right in the thing
0:04:48is like I genuinely do enjoy the show in there are times like i I tweeted it both
0:04:53of you earlier today I genuinely thought that the way you handled the pizza
0:04:56discussion was perfect because without question it is so much easier to find
0:05:00good pizza in New York or the surrounding area than anywhere else
0:05:04don't say it don't say but there is good pizza we had another places which I did
0:05:10say what you said but I assume I will hate it when I know I thought Marco you
0:05:17guys both handled it perfectly I really did create it's it's just like that the
0:05:27standard john was a bow tie if I don't think the most I fits with their rugby
0:05:32shirt I don't think that's it doesn't that doesn't fit I think you should try
0:05:36this one day maybe next year to BBC something like that
0:05:39showed us my wife who said why do you look so angry angry about either being
0:05:48half naked are about other people dressing me I can't imagine you be
0:05:53incredibly happy about either of those states so I think it's it's the
0:05:57appropriate expression but anyway I I was I was very happy with how you handle
0:06:03that but I think part of me so perturbed at top four days because I don't like
0:06:08Indian food with the exception of non which is delightful but the thing of it
0:06:12is very very well could be that I've just made terrible choices whenever I've
0:06:17gone for Indian food even know what I've eaten but I can tell you I'm not like
0:06:20any of it and in so I was very perturbed that Indian ranked so high on your list
0:06:25however I concur with pizza I concur with Panera and delis I think you're a
0:06:31little harsh and Quiznos subway but I can get past that I mean if if if you're
0:06:38in a place where the best options you have are Quiznos or subway just go to
0:06:42the grocery store and buy cold cuts make it better that like it at that
0:06:46wanna see what I did live in those places that's what I did because it was
0:06:49better for the most part I did agree with most of what you guys said so and
0:06:55you can't forgive that the subway triangle cheese tessellation issue I
0:07:00guess you are spot on that I completely agree to give context to this this is
0:07:05top for the podcast Marco does with his wife and they supposedly whatever top
0:07:16for take-out restaurant stop for Halloween candies what they actually do
0:07:20on the show is only vaguely related to that and they're now lately both having
0:07:24trouble coming up with up for anything and almost there pains a terribly wrong
0:07:28anyway that's the show and it sure we conclude the advertiser podcast sections
0:07:37of the spot yes yes you should complain about the fact that I have brought up
0:07:41the to podcast that my co-host have done
0:07:44I have not brought up any of my extracurriculars but yes he continued to
0:07:48be upset John that's that's just your personality casey you didn't even
0:07:51mention robot or not
0:07:52well now we have to bring up the income people you are on the income people
0:07:57especially your show no one ever showed only I understood that reference right
0:08:09now that you've ruined follow out for me just as you had planned to use them
0:08:14follow up and talk about what been wrote in and said I thought you would never
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0:10:07beautiful night so John tell us in this follow-up section what Benji wrote in
0:10:12and said we're talking about the iPad pro screen and how it wasn't quite as
0:10:18good in terms of color accuracy is as service pro for it not also not as good
0:10:21as some of the earlier iPad screens Apple had made her the smaller ones
0:10:25anyway and I wondered if it was kind of a shame that it didn't have the new set
0:10:31of a wide spectrum or whatever the correct term is that large damage anyway
0:10:37display that the iMac does that the cp3 specification which is bigger than RGB
0:10:43and then run that one of the reasons that I petrol can't do that is because
0:10:47it requires an RGB backlight so these Koreans that we call it STDs but
0:10:51sometimes all LEDs LED just refers the backlight so you've got a bunch of you
0:10:56got this semi transparent thing in front but little colored section is that you
0:11:00can turn on and off in different mountain behind it
0:11:02behind most computers have a big white light on all the time
0:11:06over the entire screen for computer screens anyway and apparently the iMac
0:11:10has instead of a big white light behind it and RGB backlight so the back like
0:11:15that can be different colors instead of just white and I didn't know that I know
0:11:19televisions do that on television and also to wear tricks with the backlight
0:11:23to try to make the image look better but it makes sense that if the iMac as an
0:11:28orgy of a cloud perhaps they can't get that small enough for low-power enough
0:11:31to be a pro just yet
0:11:34company had to wake up more years I guess they're not but I did not know
0:11:38that I really didn't have any idea that there was an RGB back that's very cool
0:11:42tell me about iMac insomnia do my wife's new 27 inch iMac
0:11:50was saying last week that kid seems to have insomnia put to sleep and animal
0:11:56wake up again or will just walk away from the computer after using it and
0:11:59then come back an hour later it still awake and I wasn't quite able to figure
0:12:02out why lots of listeners sent in suggestions
0:12:06one coming along with the IR receiver if it's in the line of sight of something
0:12:11that sprays I are like a remote control or one of those IR blaster things or
0:12:15whatever
0:12:16conceivable that the IR receiver on a Mac which I guess it has won I don't
0:12:20know but have an uneven check did have one theory is that for our computers to
0:12:25do have an IR receiver if it's near your television or something like that you
0:12:29could keep it away just with IR input I don't know that theory is correct
0:12:33because i think is that fine line of sight of any I R and I don't even know
0:12:38if my thing has IR receiver probably does but anyway the next guess was
0:12:43Bluetooth if you go to the Bluetooth preference pane this is annoying this is
0:12:47an inside Energy Saver Bluetooth preference pane then you have to click
0:12:51on Advanced then there's a checkbox that says allow Bluetooth devices to wake
0:12:55this computer and that was checked by default so I unchecked it and I think my
0:13:00problems are solved but I've got that the reason that feature exists that you
0:13:03have my Mac if you get it with the recommended Apple crappy cripples
0:13:08Bluetooth keyboard and the recommended bluetooth mouse then you don't have your
0:13:13mouse or keyboard connected with a wire to computers on your computer was asleep
0:13:17if you don't have the setting checked and you hit the spacebar like to wake up
0:13:20your computer or wiggle the mouse or click the mouse button or something
0:13:23the computer on actually wake up I don't have that problem we've got a wired
0:13:26keyboard attached to it actually a USB mouse that's so i'll check that thing
0:13:34and so far so good the computer has not had insomnia it hasn't woken up
0:13:38spontaneously and go to sleep it stays asleep so I'm pretty well convinced that
0:13:42I solve my problem exxon I would never would have guessed it was Bluetooth
0:13:46acting up but I'm glad to figure that out I also don't understand how you
0:13:51could have wires on your desktop
0:13:52you know teacher it's a keyboard tray so the wires are going to anything
0:13:56he portrayed the right height you know but the desk at the right to low and
0:14:04then you need some of the the computer oh yeah that's easier than managing
0:14:08keyboard I think the main reason wife like the keyboard tray is that it gives
0:14:13her more room to jump on the desk because he didn't hire service desk in
0:14:18front of you is free for like having papers and stuff like sometimes it's
0:14:21good to be like referring to note I'm just piling stuff but really it's
0:14:24convenient I think I would even if I didn't need to forget positioning you
0:14:28never had like a despot that went up and down I get it right in fact I had to
0:14:31work my desk at work has somewhat adjustable and I tried putting it down
0:14:35to a level that it should be for the keyboard and I just like the desk higher
0:14:38and the little train journey that's what I'm used to any other follow that was
0:14:43another quick round of all very proud of us well this is a trip here time after
0:14:48the after the last episode I'm sure yeah and also its its low for the holidays I
0:14:52feel like we need to have like a laid-back episode 42 drink added realize
0:14:59that was the plan
0:15:00yeah right to speak of holidays John you came up with an idea for this episode
0:15:04yet because we're recording this on a Monday only a few days after record the
0:15:09last episode because our offer our holiday is Thanksgiving holiday
0:15:13vacations and travels and so on I thought what better way to celebrate
0:15:18Thanksgiving which is a holiday here in the us- people outside the US can look
0:15:23it up its pretty down as far as hot as hell but anyway it is a holiday and we
0:15:26get off a little slow down you gonna have to explain yourself on that one
0:15:30it's it's one of those holiday is the really is
0:15:35doesn't really make much sense it's not really that historically significant
0:15:39it's only because the people involved in it where the important enough people to
0:15:42celebrate something like they're celebrating the story of Thanksgiving
0:15:45but bottom line is we you know people European countries are all the
0:15:49indigenous people took all the plant and not feel guilty for it and stuff but
0:15:53heavy hearted kind of celebrating how nice it was that we all cooperated is
0:15:56like weird like yeah and then we live together happily ever after right now we
0:16:01don't anyway it's not as bad as Columbus Day but it's close but we don't care
0:16:07because it's just the holiday season and we have turkey and got around with
0:16:10family and argue about politics are your Thanksgiving is going to go I don't make
0:16:15this into a downer bottom line is we get off work at 10 straight to his party but
0:16:19only for Thursday you have to take a vacation day for Friday or just you know
0:16:24be retired like some of us are mile even Marco has to visit family at
0:16:28Thanksgiving Thanksgiving I would I would rather work for the rest of the
0:16:34year full time than deal with Thanksgiving family drama untrue you
0:16:38don't know my family
0:16:39well I don't know why I think you underestimate what it would be like to
0:16:43work for the rest of the year waking up and getting into an office and
0:16:46committing to going to get in the middle of this anyway I don't do a downer
0:16:53Thanksgiving which I get that even though the stupid holiday it is a
0:16:57holiday and one of the good things about thanksgiving is a time of year when in
0:17:02theory you are supposed to reflect on what you are thankful for that is
0:17:06usually the part of the evening before people get drunk and angry and started
0:17:09politics sometimes occur on the table and say and say what you think you'll
0:17:13fall for or whatever whoever has the most willing and able to induce
0:17:18embarrassment in your extended family using make this happen so i guess im
0:17:22filling that role here on the podcast
0:17:23asked the assembled get a group of house what 2015 issue check things are we most
0:17:33thankful for that have to be this year they could be like a three or four year
0:17:36old text you just discovered this year I don't need your framing is loose but
0:17:39anyway what kind of things are we thankful for anything that is going
0:17:42around in circles until we're all exhausted and don't have anything left
0:17:45to be thankful for
0:17:47ok I'm a list of real I really was trying not to invoke the ghost like well
0:17:57not the most thankful for this but it's probably round 945 actually have 50
0:18:02number five
0:18:04very clear number one alright alright I'll market seems like he's ready to go
0:18:08first so yeah I did not do my homework on this I thought about it like 10
0:18:12minutes about half an hour ago you could have markers doing more homework than I
0:18:15am something is seriously broke three days notice I know I just can't go ahead
0:18:22Marco well Mike my clear number one I thought it immediately when you said
0:18:26this and there is no contest and DNS responder section number one so so for
0:18:35the if anybody doesn't get the joke this is the the old version of the old
0:18:40version of discovery D which is the system diamond that's responsible on
0:18:46Macs and iOS devices for network name lookup finding Bonjour devices etc or
0:18:52whatever it was called you know that's the news because you write anyway so so
0:18:59it's it's very much responsible for like Macs and Apple devices finding other
0:19:03servers and devices on the network and coordinating things with them so for
0:19:07things like file-sharing probably involved in things like airdrop
0:19:10definitely no network shares Apple TV kind of stuff airplay and discover ed
0:19:16was the new version of this the rewrite of this ship with yosemite and with iOS
0:19:22ate it was so buggy and caused so many problems for so many people you know if
0:19:28if if during the era of yosemite I was eight if you if you ever had things like
0:19:33other matching your network disappear and just not be visible
0:19:37finder for browsing or for sharing or if you had things like you have the
0:19:41computer name with a number after it like you know tips computers and it's
0:19:46like what and where it and some reason to believe that some of that that was
0:19:50the kind of problems with this but it caused so many other problems that some
0:19:55people just got lucky like the HDMI CEC unicorn than just never had it I hit all
0:20:00of these problems you have problems like you know certain like network printers
0:20:05that had greater faces with frequently fail and just never be connectable
0:20:10anymore
0:20:11airplay would fail constantly airdrop would fail constantly so many problems
0:20:15with with various network and inter inter Mac inter island communication
0:20:21things and this is honestly this is a major driver behind my well circulated
0:20:25peace applesauce the function of high ground from last winter because it it
0:20:30shipped with your assembly and iOS in the fall of 2014 and it took until what
0:20:38summertime something that before they issued an update that reverted back to
0:20:43the old server discovery d back in the old one and DNS responder which just fix
0:20:48all the problems and so it it was a good six months as some like that of using
0:20:52this and the number of problems I encountered for the six months just made
0:20:57me question everything about Apple just like how could they possibly have let
0:21:00this go for so long
0:21:01ship this and it was making all the stuff that makes Apple devices usually
0:21:05pleasant it like so much it was crumbling or was leased unreliable for
0:21:10me and when when they went back to MDS responder massive amount of these
0:21:16problems just disappeared immediately for me and so now I can do things like
0:21:20browse the iTunes share from the Apple TV and watch movies that are on my home
0:21:26server on the Apple TV and stuff like that I can reliably connect to the Mac
0:21:30Mini deserve this lifestyle I can reliably connect computer and share
0:21:33files my can print it works every time like this is stuff that used to work
0:21:38very reliably didn't for like six months and now does again so number one by far
0:21:44from me is the return of Mtns responder the number one thing
0:21:48is really just a sly way to complain about something no I you know i i wanted
0:21:55you know I run an update article when you know once I was pretty sure that
0:21:58this would fix everything and I really want to be clear that it was really bad
0:22:02before and also I'm really happy now because now they have fix that massive
0:22:08class problems and Apple stuff has all sorts of other problems still and you
0:22:12know I'm sure we will spend we will spare no moment talking about those but
0:22:17that really did fix a ton of them that I was having and I and it it says a lot of
0:22:23an apple that they were you know that was a big mistake to ship that and to
0:22:26stick with it for so long but it does say a lot about Apple that rather than
0:22:30just like double down that in just like try to crank through and figure out all
0:22:34the problems they said no we go back like I don't think they've really done
0:22:38that very often and I can't even imagine what had to go on inside the company to
0:22:43to convince you ever need to be convinced to roll back to abandon this
0:22:46whole rewrite of this thing to roll back to the previous version but I'm really
0:22:51glad I did because it really did fix a massive number of problems I was having
0:22:54as I mentioned in this originally happened and DNS responder had a
0:22:59terrible reputation in nearly a year is about 10 because it was the process that
0:23:04it was always hanging in making stuff not work on your computer
0:23:07all I kinda like basic functionality of connecting to server isn't loading web
0:23:11pages the solid value to kill him responders home runs constantly crashing
0:23:15and eventually got to the point where I guess it was stable but their prime
0:23:20motivator plays it because it was old and crusty and never really work right
0:23:23and they had run out most of the bugs but it was still probably like not easy
0:23:27to change or add features to like you know handoff where the hell I don't even
0:23:31know if that was what what their motivation for discovery to you but it
0:23:34was but I was that every time they've gone and replaced some part of the
0:23:37system with some newer thing that something you have to do that you just
0:23:41gotta not screwed up like the the idea behind the effort was good execution was
0:23:47bad so I really hope that if not discovery did something else comes back
0:23:50because
0:23:51it's not like they're replacing these things for their health their visit
0:23:54motivation behind it as they just botched execution it will also show
0:23:58notes to our friend of the show Craig Hockenberry who talked about this a
0:24:03little bit strong language is preggers little perturbed but it's really good
0:24:06writeup as to what went wrong in with their discovery and why right shall I go
0:24:12next on would you prefer to go now europe is alright because I didn't have
0:24:17a lot of time to third didn't spend a lot of time thinking about this my my
0:24:20selection has my entire discovered here and you know the first thing I'm
0:24:26thankful for which I'm really really excited about is actually live photos I
0:24:31really really really enjoy life photos that you can make an argument that it's
0:24:35gimmicky and maybe it is and maybe in a few years I think it's silly but sitting
0:24:40here now I love life photos being able to have a little bit of context around
0:24:44what's happening especially when you have a really young child in the house
0:24:48is really really awesome and there's been a couple of life photos that I've
0:24:53gotten just by pure happenstance that have been really awesome like once I
0:24:57took a picture Declan when we were out to eat and and he decided to make this
0:25:02like just mammoth Eon right as I taking the pictures so you can see this like
0:25:07huge yawn as he's as he's eating at this restaurant and it it sounds silly
0:25:12describing it but it was just the funniest lie photo and I don't know that
0:25:15I I don't know that I would have captured that moment had it not been for
0:25:20the fact that what I thought was the picture was actually a very very short
0:25:25movie and so I love live photos I the only thing I don't like about life
0:25:30photos now it makes me question whether or not I want to use my big semi fancy
0:25:33camera or my i phone to take pictures and generally speaking I do you reach
0:25:37for the big camera but it doesn't make me feel guilty anymore if I don't have
0:25:43the big camera handy when trying to capture shot because I love having my
0:25:46context they have burst mode on your big fancy camera I do when I never ever ever
0:25:50use it though
0:25:51blast away make your own live pictures and maybe that's one way of looking at
0:25:55it but I very rarely shooting burst mode and the handful times I've done it
0:26:00it has come out pretty well but then I'd have to post-process it turned into a
0:26:04movie and blah blah blah not to say that this is egregious but it's it's it's
0:26:08pretty magical just whipping out the thing that the phone that's in your
0:26:13pocket and snapping a picture and having that little bit of context behind it I
0:26:17just really really love it kind of in that vein I I'd like to this anomalous
0:26:22sorry John is par for the course
0:26:24yes yes it exactly right like to add to that just how incredibly good the video
0:26:29is from the iPhone's success success +
0:26:31this year I finally after seven years of created my main good camera from a Canon
0:26:375d mark two to the Sony a seven are too and it's a fantastic hammer in every way
0:26:42and I love this thing I I love the pictures I get out of the Sony it's
0:26:46incredible it is incredibly expensive too so it's not for everybody but when
0:26:50you buy a camera every seven years it's it's it can be justifiable but anyway
0:26:55love love this camera and it shoots for k video and it's one of the it's one of
0:27:00the relatively few cameras on the market for a video there's they're getting
0:27:05warmer numerous but they're still relatively few in number but the
0:27:09iPhone's success came out and the success also shoots for k video and
0:27:13having shot now with both of them a reasonable amount the difference between
0:27:18them is not that big like here here's a scammer that's being hailed as one of
0:27:23the best cameras overall ever made and one of the best camera that can shoot
0:27:27for K and the camera that's an every iPhone of the current generation shoots
0:27:34for k video that to my as a casual observer is almost just as good
0:27:40equality you get out of this out of the iPhone 4 came granted it isn't 60 frames
0:27:45per second it's only 30 I don't have it I don't know what shoots for K sixty for
0:27:49his second but it's never seen anything that offered that it seems like for k
0:27:53everywhere these days basically 30 but if you're going to deal with the lower
0:27:56frame rate it looks incredible just to have that resolution it really does look
0:28:01like a moving photo it's just it looks like a real life photo
0:28:05and live photos are great like you know they're they're great for when he didn't
0:28:09intend to take a video but when you do intend to take a video the quality you
0:28:13can get out of the iPhone camera in for k mode is just ridiculously good and for
0:28:19people like us who have kids and get all sentimental about how how Peter kids are
0:28:23it is just stunning how how much this captures life in the way it looks in
0:28:29real life and I'm very very glad to have this because you know most
0:28:34almost every parent at some point says you know I really wish I shot more video
0:28:37I really really with a shot more photos and and i've been that way for video
0:28:41certainly but you know we should plenty of photos but we don't shoot another
0:28:44video yeah I'm the same way I reflect and look back on on the pictures and
0:28:50video of taken in the last year just over a year old now and I couldn't agree
0:28:55more that I've taken a lot of really great pictures I'm really proud of the
0:28:58pictures I've taken but I haven't shot near enough video and and I think that
0:29:02part of the problem is is that it's not often especially early in life like
0:29:07super early in life that that I can capture something that's quote-unquote
0:29:11remarkable as it's happening and I think that that's the wrong attitude to have
0:29:15and I should be better about just capturing everyday life because it'll be
0:29:18interesting to look at maybe not know year five years maybe in ten or twenty
0:29:22years and so I'm trying to train myself to to start taking video of things that
0:29:27seemed really boring and like you were saying Marco I I really really like that
0:29:33this camera that's in my pocket always takes forte video which is kind of it's
0:29:41kind of an insurance policy right you know there will eventually be video that
0:29:44is crisper than forte but sitting here in 2015 that's the case gonna look
0:29:50pretty good for a while I think in and so I'm really happy that I'm getting
0:29:53really high resolution video out of the camera I am most likely to have on me
0:29:57always yeah and it really does not look like it like an inferior quality camera
0:30:03when you're shooting for k with the iPhone it does not seem inferior quality
0:30:07at all in fact like you know compared to my liking a quote real and it is not a
0:30:11dedicated video camera but a lot of people use these things for video the
0:30:14things like the audio actually better the audio is way better on the
0:30:18iPhone the autofocus is way better on the iPhone it shouldn't be there's no
0:30:22reason why it should be hardware wise the Sony cases but in so many ways but
0:30:25the iPhone just has like really nice automatic default and has really good
0:30:29audio processing such that you with with no effort you get pretty great video out
0:30:35of the iPhone compared to this you know professional camera it's amazing how
0:30:40good it is so yeah I'm very thankful for how good the success is shooting video
0:30:46because it is making me shoot more video and 8044 parenting nostalgia purposes
0:30:51that is just awesome don't forget to take videos of your kids screaming and
0:30:55crying because it's my kids when they're smiling or happy take pictures of their
0:31:00crying and take video so they can hear the noise that they made because they
0:31:03don't believe you when you try to describe it and sometimes it's nice to
0:31:06look back when you're far distant from and I remember that terrible screeching
0:31:10that didn't leave our house
0:31:12declan's smiling anyway at some point has to be screaming crying capture that
0:31:17yeah yeah we tried to occasionally bring that up because they just before the
0:31:21show we were talking we when we were at my parents this past weekend we did like
0:31:27a literally five or ten minute photo shoot with them where they took a bunch
0:31:31of pictures of the three of us that would maybe they will may be used for
0:31:33Christmas card this year and I think the pictures look good but declan's kind of
0:31:39like nonplussed about the whole thing and you know oftentimes he's pretty
0:31:43easily it's pretty easy to make him pretty happy and in these he's kinda
0:31:47like whatever man and I were discussing well you know that is a better
0:31:51representation of real life because he's usually a fairly chipper kid but he's
0:31:55not always know super excited about everything and so we were debating and
0:31:59didn't really reach a conclusion before before I came into record you know maybe
0:32:03we should just use one of those and and that's okay and so I'm trying to do
0:32:07better about capturing the annoyed Declan in the upset as time goes on
0:32:14jonathan is your turn alright well you might think since I suggested this
0:32:18exercise that I have some like really clever interesting
0:32:21things I know this but i dont lose your job I'm just the idea so my first one
0:32:28might be a surprise but I don't think so
0:32:31based on what I've talked about it's it's it's kinda like Marquez is like a
0:32:34qualified recommendation what is the first thing I thought of the first thing
0:32:37I'm thankful for this year is photos Apple's photo thing where they finally
0:32:42gave away that had access to all your photos everywhere and to put all your
0:32:46photos up in the cloud and charger money to the storage but the prices are not so
0:32:50bad I've had a lot of weird issues with it but I have to say all the bugs and
0:32:56stuff that I've encountered so far have been delays not roadblocks like it's
0:33:00done weird things that's been spooky and it's been weird but always eventually at
0:33:04the end of it I come out the other side with a far as I'm aware fully
0:33:08functioning and working library that is all synced up and is in the clouds
0:33:12everywhere and is available on the phones and now on my Mac photos actually
0:33:16performs an acceptable manner most of the time still ignores my spacebar about
0:33:2050% of the time when I had it but anyway it's got a long way to go but I like the
0:33:24fact that is a fairly new program that already been updated and the update has
0:33:28added minor features and performance and I'm just glad that Apple finally has
0:33:34gotten their photo library online and on to their servers and you know not
0:33:40stranded on my machine they still have a long way to go when it comes to dealing
0:33:45with families and multiple for libraries but this possible things I'm thankful
0:33:48for complaints policy so this really does get the John Siracusa seal of
0:33:54approval
0:33:55well it's just because it's so much better than i photo like and you know
0:33:59people who use our services like they use Google or you know Amazon's cloud
0:34:03storage or whatever the saying this is the only solution for in fact it's
0:34:06probably not even the best solution for everything that I've heard Google
0:34:09storage solution seems to be much more reliable more features and be really
0:34:13cool I just we've always had our photos in iPhoto and so photos is the obvious
0:34:18and only you know transition to stay in the Apple TV Apple ecosystem and
0:34:24iPhoto like towards the end of its life was really terrible but in the beginning
0:34:28and middle it was pretty good especially when I library with smaller so I'm glad
0:34:33that Apple's continue to develop a program that essentially did import my
0:34:36iPhoto library in the same way to coalesce my ratings down into favorite
0:34:40ok with that
0:34:42yeah so like I still have any complaints about it but it's just so long for them
0:34:47to do the obvious thing we all talked about ever picks in Merced when it went
0:34:52out of business and now I'm getting all their pictures and make it so that they
0:34:58do not all be on the device but you have access to them everywhere
0:35:01good idea Apple have been very trigger shy on photos pretty worried about user
0:35:08and picture life which I really really like and I been afraid to really get
0:35:15into photos just because it's always felt like I was I didn't want to trust
0:35:21apple with this because I don't want to go bad even though I have backups like I
0:35:24picture life now have two or three copies locally but it just scared me but
0:35:28to hear that it pretty much has a chance to seal of approval I might change my
0:35:31tune but you shouldn't though I always say is it's like online backup you just
0:35:35have to have you should everyone should be doing this if you have your photo
0:35:38library there should be some place that you uploaded to the picture life it's
0:35:42Google authority without those things where ever it is the whole point should
0:35:45be that worst-case scenario you should still have online backup and you still
0:35:50have local backup you still have local clones but I like having like yet
0:35:54another thing that it actually dedicated to photos that despite all those things
0:35:58those described by using back later or you know time machine or super duper
0:36:03clones you know you're backing up over your network to whatever is on top of
0:36:08that have another thing that says oh and by the way every time you take a picture
0:36:12with your phone gets uploaded to the cloud thing and then get downloaded onto
0:36:15your Mac and every time you import photos from the sdcard onto gets
0:36:18uploaded to the cloud and download on your phone
0:36:21and you don't have to have all your whores everywhere but on a particular
0:36:24Mac you can say please download it for is everywhere the one with the big hard
0:36:27drive having that extra system on top of all your backups just makes me feel
0:36:31better about pictures so it doesn't really matter if it's photos a picture
0:36:34of life or you go back in time you've ever picks or other products you might
0:36:39discuss later part of the show if we don't go long on this thanksgiving stuff
0:36:43yeah I'm not specifically endorsing photos I'm endorsing the idea of Apple
0:36:48doing the obvious thing for photo services and it not being terrible yeah
0:36:53and you know and we will we have been talking and many people been talking
0:36:56before they announce this like their other various photo solutions they like
0:37:00photostream before this kind of like a half solution and we we've been calling
0:37:05them to do something like this forever but no one thought they actually would
0:37:09and then not only did they do it but it was good even free version 1.0 it wasn't
0:37:15perfect but it was pretty good and end the imperfections are only limited
0:37:20relate to the front and app the actual back in the storage in the sinking
0:37:24engine in my experience and I think I think most experienced worked solidly
0:37:30from day one there was always like I said there was there is bugs but like as
0:37:35long as they're not intractable a lot of times early on people like that it had a
0:37:39bunch of black squares or am i thinkI feeli get that thinks that history
0:37:42upload everything like and it's mistaken about that or all sorts of problems
0:37:46we're either operations of taking a long time there are a couple of like crashing
0:37:51in the middle of the import of whatever but the bottom line is if you just kept
0:37:55trying eventually it reached a point where it's settled down which is not
0:37:58true of for example the time machine and spotlight last time but never settle
0:38:03down vote the best you can say about viruses sometimes it's geared up 1.0 had
0:38:07weird bugs but in my personal experience is I never had the new can pay right
0:38:12some people did so you know obviously it's not that it's it's both of my
0:38:17personal experiences even when it was weird just eventually powered through
0:38:21with me not doing anything other than
0:38:23and maybe repeatedly trying and settles into a state now where would I take a
0:38:28photo on my wife takes August the library's her as i dont wanna get into
0:38:31this anyway on the phone and then go to the Mac eventually the picture shows up
0:38:36and that's all I ask for again because he liked to that they really the Photos
0:38:42app is very very good and it was very good since 1.0 and it's only gotten
0:38:47better with 1.1 and I still do all my editing first for a photoshoot with with
0:38:53the big hammer I still do anything first and Lightroom and then I kinda like pick
0:38:58and pick and editing Lightroom and then export as for quality JPEG into photos
0:39:03because I i dont care for photos editing tools too much but for iPhone shot
0:39:08pictures to find and on the iPhone like having had bility and and you know my my
0:39:14fancy pictures once I do like a first pass at it with Lightroom I'm probably
0:39:19never gonna talk soon after that you know it's just do their export into the
0:39:23library that's faster is it doesn't have the giant rock how to deal with and it's
0:39:27nice it really is nice I i I have no I have no regrets about photo library
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0:40:06I can tell you things like how efficiently you're driving if you want
0:40:09to hit certain goals can alert you if you like hitting the brakes too hard hit
0:40:12the gas too hard it can also tell you a lot of your trips if you want to track
0:40:16that he can do things like have expense reports we're driving you can just see
0:40:20where you go to most if you want it can keep your party locations you never lose
0:40:24your car in a parking lot if you have an accident and it detects that the port
0:40:28you can even call emergency services for you if you are unable to
0:40:31it can really do quite a bit now they also have an app store with automatic
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0:40:39the time you can use your car's data in all kinds of different ways so for
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0:41:10also the things you can do with the automatic device and of course
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0:41:54alright Marco do you want to go again or do you want to try to reverse the order
0:41:58here just make your next ok my number two after my only other and I gotta have
0:42:07a 1.2 1.3 my next one on the list john is the continued growth of podcasting I
0:42:19i have made I have really focused my career easily on podcasting on a number
0:42:23of fronts
0:42:24you know we do this podcast I have the pocket of my wife top for an epochal
0:42:29underscore David Smith an under the radar and of course I make a podcast app
0:42:33called overcast I i really busy thanks now I'm really I'm just very thankful
0:42:39that this industry continues to not only exist and be healthy but to thrive and
0:42:44grow I really I love podcasting I i love it as a listener I love it as a producer
0:42:51I love it as a programmer it is great there's tons of opportunity as a
0:42:55programmer at as a listener I podcasters in my life I'm I'm an epochal center for
0:43:00a long before I was really involved in them and I guess I gotta love listen to
0:43:05podcasts I don't have to explain it to most people think this probably and also
0:43:09as a podcaster I love the act of podcasting and I was I was kinda had
0:43:14this tweet tweet storming of the call it when he just too much money I think
0:43:19that's it you got it yeah it so I i treat all over the place earlier today
0:43:23about I been holding back a lot from blocking recently because the
0:43:30expectations and their reactions that you get out of blogging for me have
0:43:34become just really negative I whenever I've blogged and anything substantial
0:43:39recently I have often regretted it afterwards because the the the amount
0:43:44and the type of attention that results from it is is not good for me it's it's
0:43:50not pleasant it's it's not satisfying it actually just feel like a burden and it
0:43:55resulted in a lot of misunderstanding a lot of attention a lot of flames and a
0:44:01lot of sensationalism that that I just do not want blocking also takes a long
0:44:06time no writing as difficult as it if you don't write you might I realize but
0:44:11writing is really quite difficult and time-consuming especially if you're
0:44:14trying to do it well it's very very hard to really do well if I wanted to do
0:44:20things like if I wanted to write this as a blog post of just like hearing i'm
0:44:23talking about how great podcasting as compared to blogging this would take me
0:44:27probably four hours to write a blog post and it wouldn't say it is when I can in
0:44:34a podcast I can basically with no preparation spew out random thoughts
0:44:39like this for about four minutes and have it all covered and have expressed
0:44:44pretty much all the same ideas
0:44:46possibly even better in in a more informal way that
0:44:50you people listening to this can hear me as a human being you know me from the
0:44:55context of the rest of the show and for any other shows you listen to the live
0:44:57in on you can give me the benefit of the doubt because you you have some sense of
0:45:01my personality from this and it just it just a much more humane medium so with
0:45:07podcasting I don't get many flames if I hardly ever get any kind of negativity
0:45:11about things I say in a podcast unable to get out way more ideas per unit of
0:45:17time effort put into it and it's it just feels better it's hard to explain in in
0:45:24in full how how it feels but i just think for me it is right now more
0:45:30natural communication floor mandame and a safer one because I'm kind of burnt
0:45:35out on the negativity to make it whenever I write anything you know this
0:45:38isn't to say I'm going to stop writing but I've certainly dramatically slowed
0:45:41down and it's no coincidence as I do more podcasts I write less because I
0:45:46just find podcasting works better for me right now and at this point in my life
0:45:50yeah I agree I've really been phenomenally lucky to have been a part
0:45:56of neutral love this show
0:45:58analog my other show unreal a family that my curly good job casey you did
0:46:03apply finally we keep setting up for the shot but it's both of you with a sports
0:46:11metaphor I'm very proud of you both anyway so and I've been very thankful to
0:46:15be a part of this and in to be able to participate in the end you know as we've
0:46:19discussed some of the show and i've discussed quite a bit on an analog I I
0:46:24have always felt some modicum of guilt for kind of having just found my way on
0:46:29here by accident but but but no other communities be really good to me and
0:46:36it's been a really phenomenal been phenomenally lucky to be a part of this
0:46:40and in a part of the community that we are in maybe next year we can finally
0:46:45convince you that like you didn't you aren't just like here accidentally like
0:46:48you are a host of the show you are one of three host of the show you are not
0:46:53just some guy who is stuck in a chair that I sit there while we thought
0:46:57yea time scale perhaps I'll believe that but but anyway I can hear John rolling
0:47:03his eyes right now we're all here accidentally is what I was thinking but
0:47:10now but it's it's been a really phenomenal and and I couldn't i couldn't
0:47:14be more thankful I was gonna make this job and really cheesy way but im gonna
0:47:17say it genuinely I couldn't be more thankful to be doing it with you to find
0:47:21gentleman and and and I'm really am so unbelievably proud of the work we've
0:47:26done here and unbelievably thankful that it's gone on as long as it happened and
0:47:31that any of you listening to this right now have have been stuck around in have
0:47:36chosen as long as you have so thank you to you guys and to everyone listening
0:47:41because this has been really phenomenal I think I'd write more if I didn't have
0:47:45a job
0:47:47amen brother Marcus Wright like you know if you podcast more like you can get a
0:47:53lot of ideas out but you would otherwise have to to write up in the pockets as I
0:47:57got my system you feel like you did you have something you just need to express
0:48:00right but mainly for me I feel like it's just not enough hours in the day and
0:48:07it's just so much more efficient to scramble for a couple minutes on a
0:48:11podcast you feel like well got that out of my system when it would take longer
0:48:15to write it in but I feel like if I had it in have to go to work every day I
0:48:21have all the showers and I probably would do the thing that Marcos and
0:48:24occasionally and so you know less so now that I might anything anymore
0:48:28practically but like where you either talk about something on a podcast and
0:48:32inspires you to write it up or you write something on your blog and that inspires
0:48:36you to talk about on the podcast that that's energy I still enjoy I just never
0:48:40have time for the part you write anything
0:48:45fair enough as it is I make it my turn I take it does alright so I'd actually
0:48:51this is a little bit of a cop out but I have other options as well I actually AM
0:48:55super thankful for my big semi fancy camera I have an Olympus om-d cm10 which
0:49:02is a terrible name it is a Micro Four Thirds camera and for a long time
0:49:06especially after Marco and tippen and Aaron I got reacquainted after mark when
0:49:12I lost touch for a long time I've always been jealous of what I'm looking for but
0:49:18I've always been intrigued by really nice camera equipment in and be a novel
0:49:24ways fancied myself like interested in photography but I wouldn't say I've ever
0:49:28been particularly great at it but right before Dec was born we finally bought
0:49:32this Micro Four Thirds camera which was a fair bit of money I mean it was
0:49:37something like $15 for the camera and a couple under the body in a couple of
0:49:41lenses and I wasn't sure if it was really worth it
0:49:44and Aaron wasn't sure feels really worth it because you we had I think 6 and
0:49:48iPhone 6 at the time which take it takes and took really great pictures but I am
0:49:54so thankful for big digital cameras still being a thing because having a
0:50:01camera with with glass that's bigger than a finger tip just makes for some
0:50:08incredible pictures and it's been really it's been really awesome to see some of
0:50:13the pictures I've been able to capture of not only Declan but my whole family
0:50:17and extended family through this camera that really in the grand scheme of
0:50:20things is not that terribly much money and so I'm extraordinarily thankful that
0:50:24it exists and I'm extra extraordinarily thankful that I think that that i've
0:50:30i've been able to that I bought one in there have been able to make some decent
0:50:34pictures come out of this camera and so digital photography in general not just
0:50:39live photos that that's yeah I'm still jealous of all your nice cameras but i
0:50:45feel like im going two miles total library was gathering photos for holiday
0:50:51things as you do and also pleased with the performance of prison
0:50:55back enjoying the fact that I can grow and do stuff although I put an item in
0:51:00the notes about my latest photo complaints they don't want to do that
0:51:05for the last thing but to sit next week yeah but like as a swell backwards in
0:51:13time towards like my oldest child but the baby you do see the quality of the
0:51:19pictures go down I think it's going to be less pronounced for Declan because I
0:51:24think like you know the the curves start it
0:51:27level off a little bit because there's sort of the limit of the human visual
0:51:31system and what feature sizes you can resolve a typical distances and blah
0:51:35blah blah but we got our very first digital camera ever before my son was
0:51:42born my first child and was not very good quality early days and you can
0:51:48really see it so it's kind of a shame I can't go back in time with the fans are
0:51:52Cameron I think about maybe I'm thinking the same thing now with the current
0:51:54because I'm taking my kid with my camera that does not cost as much as a good
0:51:59used car they're fine they're good but I can tell the difference between my
0:52:05camera and a fancy camera like it's impossible not to be able to tell the
0:52:09difference especially if if there is not a hundred percent Blazing Sun light on a
0:52:13clear day then all of a sudden I can tell the difference so I'm very often do
0:52:17consider buying fancy camera and maybe someday will but for now I'm limping
0:52:22along with my so a superzoom cameras in my phone so that's not that bad I'm
0:52:28trying to figure out what used car that's pretty good you could get for
0:52:31$1,500 on the corner of course of course I John what else thankful for my next
0:52:41item on the list is probably not surprising boring to everybody who is
0:52:45tech nerd including both of you but I put them in this tiny babies that bill
0:52:49like this was not the summer of George this was the year of big SSDs in my
0:52:54house as he's been around forever to get it is the life of Bob time I am
0:53:00I'm not interested in talking put all my stuff even fusion drive came out I think
0:53:04was a really great idea and from all accounts is work really well Mike but
0:53:08for me I should hold out for all my crap honesty remember on podcast many years
0:53:13ago was this podcast was it some other one I was like hold out for one terabyte
0:53:18SSD and I go good luck there's gonna be so expensive you can get one today but
0:53:21it's like thousands of dollars I can be cheap but you know waiting awhile why
0:53:25did I wait to really long time and eventually one terabyte SSDs became less
0:53:31than ridiculously expensive still very expensive but as soon as they came down
0:53:35in price looks like three the prices you know 500 $600 I got one for him and made
0:53:42a big difference as you would imagine just doing this is the big thing for me
0:53:46is that they are big that I can fit all of my stuff and the size of all my stuff
0:53:52has changed a lot over the years and I like your is trying to keep the all my
0:53:58stuff size somewhere within the bounds of economical hard drive size but
0:54:02partners can exerting so big 21 terabyte terabytes retail but for a terabyte
0:54:06spinning disk was like oh no I gotta make sure my stuff doesn't thoughtful
0:54:09turns out my stuff has been growing more slowly and my stuff comfortably fits in
0:54:14one terabyte snow avatar my guess is they want to go but the iMac is a
0:54:18terabyte St and now finally the two main computer in the house are all of our
0:54:24stuff on them and I'm very happy about it
0:54:27yeah I held out a really long time before getting an SSD because the first
0:54:33computer I had with an SSD was my old work computer which I got in the middle
0:54:39of 2012 but was a late 2011 Santa Clara 15 inch MacBook Pro and I had always
0:54:46thought as I often do with these things
0:54:50shirts faster I'm sure it's great but it can't possibly make that much oh my god
0:54:55it makes that much of a difference it it it's just night and day and because of
0:55:00that I'm still rocking one of those identical computer that work one except
0:55:05the platter hard drive as my personal computer
0:55:08and I never touched the thing because it's just unusable because it has a
0:55:12platter hard drive
0:55:13get get yourself a nasty even if you get a little tiny one and you have to put
0:55:16all your all your other data elsewhere just it makes a world of difference
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0:57:05me is slack interesting ok that's a good when I would have put that on there if I
0:57:10had thought of it yeah I agree with that so first of all slackers really just
0:57:13good at like you know as as a product slackers good it is like
0:57:18when I first saw it I thought well that's just IRC
0:57:22fancied up IRC and that's true it is just finished a piracy but it's really
0:57:27good turns out by RCA is really nice feature is not that it's like fancied up
0:57:34I received the key feature is that like it is a name brand company thing you can
0:57:39get the slack app for the platform of your choice and it is slack our season I
0:57:43guess you like the client just something I really know your client works just
0:57:48type / something like this was like a client just to get slack and then you've
0:57:52got it you have to worry about people figuring out all point and click an
0:57:56unlimited amount of command-line silliness the NRC you know really it had
0:58:01a lot of shortcomings compared to slacken not just the client thing but
0:58:04just like the complexity of the the geeky roots of it it's and limitations
0:58:09of it not being persistent on the class just it's not a IR si has a sports place
0:58:14for sure but slacked us too and i think is by far the more friendly option of
0:58:19the two and it also has way more features and it's pretty nice anyway so
0:58:23I likes like a lot and I like that kind of lead to earlier I mentioned I was
0:58:29kind of worn out from negativity that I've gotten from being so public online
0:58:34slack allows me to have these small private groups of friends that things
0:58:40that I would have previously posted to Twitter now a lot of those things are
0:58:44going to slack and a lot of the conversations that I'm having a lot of
0:58:48the Keeping Up with friends what they're doing a lot more of that is happening in
0:58:52slack now then on Twitter for me and I think that's good because for so long we
0:58:58had things on the web where we're like this the best communication method on
0:59:03the web or so often public or semi-public Facebook where it's like
0:59:08it's supposed to be private most of the time but sometimes you setting
0:59:11everything public course from a default whatever it's nice to have something
0:59:15that is private I do think there's a place for those things there's a balance
0:59:19to be struck and it's you know just it's nice that we are we are willing to
0:59:24explore that balance rather than just make everything public
0:59:28and a driven on the entire internet and every way we communicate and so it's
0:59:33nice having having slack for me has been a nice kind and gentle reprieve from
0:59:40everything being in public because the fact is so many of my of my friends are
0:59:45people who have met in this business people like you guys who work with who
0:59:50who don't live near its like sit down and have lunch with you guys every day
0:59:55you know I I work at home for myself you know i i had lunch with my wife and my
0:59:59kids my dog the night my friend interaction or limited mostly to online
1:00:03stuff so it's nice to have just like a kindly private safe place for that to
1:00:07happen and now into psych provide that for me but from what I hear from a lot
1:00:12of other people and provide that to lots of people it it doesn't just like a
1:00:16desperate for Marco think like a lot of people you slack this way in small
1:00:20groups with their friends and it's really great for that and i am just very
1:00:23thankful if such a thing exists but is getting enough traction to be useful
1:00:28the company of this is that as we record today slack was down for many people the
1:00:34day to mention that but yeah doesn't matter this is done this is the first
1:00:38time I've ever seen down to the honeymoon period before marcos and a big
1:00:42roundabouts like being centralized thing controlled by a single company scurrying
1:00:46all the clients and their API and pricing aw stock so enjoy it while I
1:00:52know I'm being negative anyway I think everything that Marco said basically
1:00:56like in the big continuum of between public in like I am as the the private
1:01:00things like you know small group on Glee private message and public you have web
1:01:06forums are comments or bulletin boards and later things like Twitter and stuff
1:01:10like that and it's like as a nice middle-ground time to say no ground the
1:01:14Google+ was going for but missed where it's not one to one like I am and it's
1:01:18not in public or email that I is not in public like message boards or Twitter
1:01:23it's in between and it's not the only downside of course is now they were all
1:01:27we're all in a million different slacks because these in between things are sort
1:01:30of self organizing groups of people around particular interest to
1:01:35institutions or whatever and those circles overlap alot but we have to be
1:01:40in all of them if you want to keep up with this offense that could prevent
1:01:42that prevents that you're in three slacks that are that form is weird Venn
1:01:46diagram sometimes I have trouble keeping track of what slack I said which is on
1:01:52the same application that's one stupid single window working guys find more
1:01:59windows more than one call me crazy but I lose track of where I said things in
1:02:08which group of friends I said them to and who is on what page about what but I
1:02:13think that's a good problem to have liked having this middle ground even
1:02:16though that has meant one more place for me to check for things that have gone on
1:02:21I am NOT a slack completionist so they don't have that problem but still I do
1:02:26have to end its like to its credit gives you lots of really cool options for how
1:02:30you want to be notified and about what
1:02:33so sad that input on my list and now I'm the Marco stealing things from other
1:02:40peoples this is a test I completely agree with black and and it doesn't
1:02:48matter you know who your particular group of friends is or or whatever the
1:02:51case maybe it's just having a group of people even be friends or family you can
1:02:56communicate with often geographically
1:02:59all over the place is just really fantastic and the thing that one of the
1:03:03things I love about slack that that is in some ways ruined me for like iMessage
1:03:07and other things is the rich text preview sort of you call them so if you
1:03:13put a link to a tweet into a slack channel it will do its best to expand
1:03:18that queen show you the contents of the tween maybe even a picture of those
1:03:21media attached in oh my god I wish I could have that 44 I message that would
1:03:26be so so useful and and I really love that peter it's such a silly thing that
1:03:30makes a world of difference
1:03:32yeah so it's my turn this is a weird one
1:03:35I am super thankful for my lightning to HDMI adapter which he is a hard thing to
1:03:43say but this past weekend as with many weekends in the fall
1:03:49and I went to see the University of Virginia play football in his life who I
1:03:56am actually a hokey which means I went to Virginia Tech we are big rivals just
1:03:59go with the markup language stuff that cuts deep John so anyways we basically
1:04:12we are big rival school so Marco this is like TIFF going to Michigan does it make
1:04:16more sense to you yes that is the one sport rather than I am familiar with
1:04:20simply because I grew up in Columbus so you can't you couldn't not know about
1:04:24that one
1:04:25funds that the correct answers actually Penn State but anyway the point is that
1:04:28it just like OSU and pinch-hitter angles yet now Michigan and Michigan well know
1:04:38you are right to say Michigan and Ohio State but in the same conference as Penn
1:04:42State both my younger brothers went to Penn State so that's where my my my
1:04:46association is but anyway so the point I bring this up because we went to a
1:04:52sports ball so when we went tailgating over the years we've been doing this for
1:04:57a few years now we've updated our tailgate setup from you know just a
1:05:02grill to a grill and a kind of ok generator to a grill and a kind of fancy
1:05:09generator and so grill generator and TV and this year it was this past weekend
1:05:17actually it just so happened that my beloved Virginia Tech Hokies were
1:05:20playing noon game that I really wanted to watch and the UVA game was at 3:30
1:05:27and so we were tailgating while that while the Hokies were playing and it was
1:05:32on ESPN the problem with that is we have an over the air antenna that we bring to
1:05:36the tailgate in its full each d so we can watch you know all the local
1:05:39channels and Charles hill on each D in the middle of a parking lot basically at
1:05:45the University virginia which is really incredible I'm thankful for that too but
1:05:49in this case it was ESPN and so what I did was I got my phone and I plug my
1:05:55phone into the Lightning teach you might after plugged-in HDMI cable from that
1:05:59into the TV and we were able to watch my beloved Virginia Tech
1:06:02cokie's lose as we're sitting in the middle of this parking lot at UVA which
1:06:09is just i mean to think about it like I remember watching Nickelodeon as a kid
1:06:13and watching like double tier and some of those games shows in you would see
1:06:17that like the grand prize was this god awful terrible video phone but this was
1:06:23like you know the early nineties and so you could probably only video dial like
1:06:27two other people in the entire country but you know little postage stamp size
1:06:32like black and white video phone and it was amazing and I remember thinking to
1:06:38myself how could that possibly be that you could see video you know on a
1:06:42telephone and then fast forward was at fifteen twenty years whatever the case
1:06:45may be and I'm sitting in a parking lot with the full 32 inch TV showing a
1:06:51picture that's coming off a cellular telephone like it's just ridiculous that
1:06:55that's a possibility and so this little obscenely expensive $50 lightning to
1:07:00HDMI adapter made all that possible that in my data which of course it was like
1:07:06two weeks ago that I finally ditched my unlimited data plan perhaps not a good
1:07:09choice but so it only cost me like two or three gigs of data for the two or
1:07:13three hours we were watching the football game so I'm really thankful for
1:07:17that you should take care all that booty once you get your new one duck taped to
1:07:21the back your TV and get refund $50 cable that are coming to the price they
1:07:27don't have a TV and then you can also charge your phone that makes it so much
1:07:30better I was able to charge my phone because I one of the ports on the
1:07:35Lightning to HDMI adapter is another lightning port
1:07:37yes I passes through power and since we had a generator right there when I pass
1:07:43through power to the phone which worked out really well I'm concerned about how
1:07:46many fumes you're inhaling with this generator that's like running the other
1:07:52people are as mister just been an appeal into it and then and now it's it's a
1:07:57it's actually very very fancy generators not ours it's one of the guys who
1:08:00tailgate with but it's an inverter generator so it it it emits a perfect
1:08:04sine wave which is pretty cool
1:08:05not talking about the different i know i understand you're saying it was just an
1:08:11aside so but we we bring these fifty foot extension cords so that things like
1:08:15that
1:08:16away from us probably near somebody else is in the other air and into speaking
1:08:23like where we tailgate is actually not it's it's not a parking lot where in a
1:08:28little field in front of the Astronomy building a VA don't be creepy and so
1:08:32it's late so small field and we try to point the generator pretty much away
1:08:36from everyone else but it's it's not near us and yet I remain concerned just
1:08:41like us have market coming to practice test text and use the big battery if I
1:08:46would kill to have Marco come to a football game with me that would be
1:08:50amazing but but now it's not quite that simple I think they would like to
1:08:55generate power right so if you go there and in electric car with a huge battery
1:09:00fully charged that'll that'll do for tailgating right probably maybe I mean
1:09:05the TV we use his old so it's probably not very efficient but there are times
1:09:09then we'll use like a griddle so for example this upcoming weekend it's our
1:09:13big game it's it's Aaron steam in my team playing each other and this year
1:09:17it's in Charlotte cells were gonna go and we are probably going to use a
1:09:22griddle which is a heating element which which is you know a million watts and so
1:09:25for that you'd probably want a generator because it would drain Marcus Phantom
1:09:30test will in like three and a half seconds
1:09:32think it would be I'm being a little facetious here but I still the math
1:09:36someone the shower room get out the slide rule she well for one thing I know
1:09:40that to charge a Tesla from like a 40 amp outlets though takes like 10 hours
1:09:46you don't realize how much power they have a granite top perfect efficient
1:09:50power but it takes a ridiculous amount of power to move a car like that you
1:09:56should realize how much power to just buy the not even doing the math by
1:10:00thinking about their taking this multi $1000 car and accelerating and
1:10:04decelerating and pushing it through the win for you know three hundred miles
1:10:08anyway this is the future of tailgating mark my words electric-powered pickup
1:10:12truck so the entire bed as much I love him I'm batteries
1:10:15you're probably right quick real-time follow up a quick things first of all it
1:10:20occurred to me that tailgating is probably a uniquely American thing sure
1:10:23hope so maybe Australians get across america light
1:10:27ok see ya please email me I didn't mean that in an offensive way but I'm screwed
1:10:32now anyway so what that means is so before a football game or a bowl game
1:10:37depending on how you look at it a lot of times what people will do is they will
1:10:41go to the parking lot outside the stadium they're going to and they will
1:10:46consume adult beverages and you know it's kind of chat and hang out and grill
1:10:51food in and eat food and do all the things you'd expect a bunch of Americans
1:10:55to do but do it outside and so some people take a little more seriously like
1:10:59we do and bring in generators they can watch other football games while they're
1:11:02waiting to watch the football game they want to see that's so that's what
1:11:07tailgating is and it did the etymology there is because oftentimes you'll hang
1:11:10out around the tailgate of a pickup truck although neither of us a pickup
1:11:14trucks and the other piece real-time follow-up it is not be let me teach you
1:11:17might after the official name is lightning Digital AV Adapter which I
1:11:21would have known had I done my homework so John your turn
1:11:26think of something else we're going to do the next round with over coming to
1:11:30the end of the show anyway so maybe we'll be at least one more wanna talk
1:11:33about what can you get all the lightning round after this case is lining and I
1:11:39know I was about to say I i I was too early on that one
1:11:42this one should be easy to guess anyone who's been listening to me on this or
1:11:46any other podcast the third item is destiny product not since quake 3 arena
1:11:54and Unreal Tournament 2004 have spent this much time playing a single video
1:11:58game I PlayStation 4 is essentially a destiny machine especially since I
1:12:02removed from the television terrible burning reasons all I do is play destiny
1:12:09played a lot and I'm afraid to look at the total number of hours recently about
1:12:13that you would think it would get boring but you know obviously cinema most
1:12:17airplane with other people and that extends life the games the same reason
1:12:20quake 3 arena real tournament were
1:12:22for so long because you are playing with other people so the game is much less
1:12:26predictable than playing like a single player game or a game against
1:12:29computer-controlled opponents because people are inscrutable
1:12:32and kind of like went through an unreal tournament there is a steady flow of
1:12:37content back in the old days it was maps that other people it makes you download
1:12:41new apps for Quaker and new maps are unwilling to try them out sometimes the
1:12:46new maps will come from the people who made the game's most the times not the
1:12:50case of Destiny all new content coming from bundy but they've had a steady
1:12:54stream of expansion is that yes you pay for but like I was saying about this
1:12:57someone recently the dollar per hour of enjoyment I'm gonna destiny its ratio is
1:13:03phenomenal
1:13:05compared to pay homage anything else like it is 60 bucks in the game
1:13:08expansion 40 bucks and expansion but do the division of the number of hours
1:13:12you're like oh this is like the cheapest entertainment dollars ever so the
1:13:18expansions really have kept it fresh for me and you know the the constant
1:13:22adjustments to the game and the systems in the game and the items and everything
1:13:25to Bungie is doing for just from week to week not just for the expansion for me
1:13:29to be doing little tweaks here and there and explaining why they do them that's
1:13:32an interesting sort of surrounding context for the game where there's the
1:13:37game and then there's the talking about the game then there's the reading about
1:13:40the future of things that are going on in the game and I think for the most
1:13:43part but she has been keeping things moving in the right direction if you you
1:13:47know questionable decisions that they're going back and forth on but 2.0 the big
1:13:512.0 change the entire game isn't really address the lot of the worst parts of
1:13:55the progression system in the early game so destiny is my first MMO because I
1:14:01generally hate him and I was but I really like first-person shooter games
1:14:04and has really good first person shooter and as far as I can tell having never
1:14:08played any emotion for I think it's really funny too so thumbs up on destiny
1:14:13did you ever get into counter strike out of curiosity
1:14:17it's not quite the same kind of but it is though it's it's a new plan so that
1:14:21human beings and so it's much more interesting than playing by yourself
1:14:24I i tend to stay away from the more militaristic first-person shooters that
1:14:30just they've never really appealed to the closer they get to like real life
1:14:33guns with not a real life you know gun aficionado so the closer they get to
1:14:38realize comes in real life military I just find it off but even though
1:14:41counter-strike still you know basically like you know like I guess they about
1:14:45criterion and reserve it's basically a game of tag has very little to do with
1:14:48actual guns but it's close enough that it sort of propels me a little bit which
1:14:53is completely fantastical you know Space Marines or shooting aliens ur powered
1:15:00armor whatever other weird stuff you've gotten franchises like Halo and Gears of
1:15:05War kind of a guess but I tend to stay away from the military things and
1:15:10destiny I guess technically they're kind of the military but it's really just
1:15:13like lasers and ppl in space aliens only asked as i log out a time playing
1:15:21counterstrike when I was at Virginia Tech and not doing the things I should
1:15:24have been doing like study but I love to counter strike and I i love to the quake
1:15:29as well as quick so long ago I think that was my jam but it was alright does
1:15:38that mean already sponsors so I guess Marco wanna do your lightning round
1:15:41entry it's it's a little bit silly mid-on list really cuz I'm I'm still a
1:15:47little bit like 50 50 on how much I like it but the number 69 go with the Apple
1:15:54watch because it really has driven a positive influence in my life and the
1:16:02Apple watches this is another one of the blog post I keep trying to write and
1:16:06star in to rate and failing to write to write my like Apple watch six months and
1:16:11post of course now it's like seven months and I started writing on it was
1:16:15three months in and and the Apple watch it's easy to get announced soon so he's
1:16:22been here because I I do wear mine everyday i've i've tried going without
1:16:27it for a few days
1:16:28and I don't miss it as much as I think I would before I do it and there are parts
1:16:35of it that haven't been as Dicky for me just because they aren't that reliable
1:16:39and and what are the things that I like about it there's an asterisk after each
1:16:45one I do love it for notifications I do love it for a very quick serious things
1:16:52I do love it for the activity tracking and I do love having the weather thing
1:16:57on the face and the other complications but all those things are kind of like
1:17:0175% there so I just kind of tentatively there I'm very happy this product exists
1:17:08but I I think it still needs a lot more work on both the hardware and the
1:17:13software before it's very good but I do like where it is now and it had it did
1:17:18something that I didn't think was possible which is it transform me into a
1:17:22person as I mentioned when it was new I hadn't wanna watch you for this since
1:17:28like high school now that we're in the cell phone revolution and to the point
1:17:32of a watch but now they have one I like it a lot and so now I'm starting to look
1:17:36at other watches that don't have screens and don't have batteries another
1:17:42expensive hobby is a great yeah and I'm starting to like take joy in the day in
1:17:49the design of nice watches and that's kinda nice you know so we'll see what
1:17:55happens but but I like the Apple watching generally it's a it's a good
1:18:00product I wouldn't say it sincerely a great one yet but it is a good product
1:18:04now and it has given positive change my life so I appreciate that you know it's
1:18:09funny you bring that bring up the Apple watches your lighting round entry
1:18:12because my red lightning round entry is the Apple is going to say the exact same
1:18:17thing and I think the piece that is is most startling to me is the
1:18:24notifications which you brought up a moment ago I haven't heard my phone
1:18:30except when I've accidentally turned the ringer back on since I received my Apple
1:18:35watch which was what may or something like that so I haven't heard my phone
1:18:40since then and I think that's a good thing and I i had even before the Apple
1:18:46outside cold a lot of my notifications in in brought that number way way way
1:18:49down and you know I turned off a lot of 24 notifications turned off
1:18:52notifications a lot of those that I really didn't need to be notified about
1:18:57turned off and even with all of those notifications off you haven't turned
1:19:03those back on since I've gotta watch but even what remains things like text
1:19:07messages or emails from VIPs or what have you
1:19:10nobody else has to know when that stuff is happening I get a nice little tap tap
1:19:15tap on my wrist and that's that and I really really really love that I too
1:19:21have in my list of things to do my six months and now seven months in Apple I
1:19:27too have been procrastinating because I haven't figured out what my angle is
1:19:31really but I completely concur with you that especially for a device that as
1:19:37with most things I hemmed and hawed about I'm really glad I got it I love it
1:19:42so much for just keeping that that noise clutter out of my life and yes of course
1:19:48I'm still getting notified about these things but I don't know just having it
1:19:52be silent I just like so much begin in a bit just because I feel like it's kind
1:19:56of disrespectful to have your devices bringing in bombing well while other
1:20:01people are around and I just love that pissed that my phone has been silent
1:20:05since May and that's really awesome God that I'm so now I'm so glad I was gonna
1:20:12say if you two had not mention the Apple actually would've been weird to have to
1:20:17have us none of us mention Apple's you know new product line that you know like
1:20:22the the big thing that the latest big thing I wuv wishing I was also mentioned
1:20:27but the latest big things from apple the Apple large come towards the end of
1:20:32Arles I really wouldn't put it on mine mostly because the avalanche has not
1:20:37change the fact that I am NOT a person I do not like things that I rest my wife
1:20:42only real-time heckling me about how often I forget to put my watch and my my
1:20:47plan what I've done my plan to always wear to work but I very often forget
1:20:52when I do wear to work I find it convenient just like a little tap tap on
1:20:56the wrist to you know to be able to have it cracked like even though I don't do
1:21:02it market doesn't like actually trying to fill the circles and stuff I do like
1:21:05to get the stand-up reminders and I do make a little bit of extra effort to be
1:21:09more mobile network is that basically reminds you like it's like I was outside
1:21:13run various times R Us iraq your mind you hey I know you're kind of like in
1:21:17the zone on some issue but remember to get up and just like the refill your
1:21:22water covered cannot take a walk around or do something else and I do find it a
1:21:28specially convened
1:21:31so I don't have to do anything on my phone even without a sitting on the desk
1:21:35it just seems so much and even with HID seems like so much more of an effort to
1:21:39pick the things up but my thumb thing on my incredibly slow iPhone 6 without the
1:21:44S
1:21:44the way those extra to go on we're going to watch none of that is involved in a
1:21:50look at it and and Apple pan the watch I find it all so much nicer than doing i
1:21:54will pay on the phone I do it like a plan to use it whenever whenever
1:21:57possible can I use that will pay and double tapping the watch is nicer than
1:22:01again putting the phone new thing and trying to the thumb piano is not ready
1:22:04mytouch I D and then just automatically so I wouldn't put it on my list because
1:22:10it is just reinforce that I'm not a white person I know I can also say that
1:22:13the watches like something that I guess I wouldn't have bought it on my own
1:22:19cause I did buy it on my own but it was kind of like well I should probably buy
1:22:23it to see what all the fuss is about like it's kind of like I bought it for
1:22:27work work being this podcast whereas I was another podcast and wasn't writing
1:22:30that text up I probably wouldn't have voted in the end I'm so glad I bought it
1:22:35but I'm let's put it this way I'm not going to rush out to buy the next
1:22:39version of the Apple watch probably wait a couple revisions and targets way that
1:22:43it is I think a lot of my reasons the watches not the Apple I essentially for
1:22:47watches in general I just don't like things I rest of the smaller and lighter
1:22:51and less like an Airstream trailer
1:22:53that's right I know I said it earlier but it would really be wrong of me not
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1:23:16love with you will see you next week do you say we will see we don't actually
1:23:20see them I do say that thank you for ruining it now
1:23:24alright it's fine I just want to overthink it now the show they didn't
1:23:33even mean to be in accidental accidental
1:23:42Casey
1:23:45it was fun and a team Marco
1:24:28there was also a good idea john i do want to add one more kind of bonus 1
1:24:34year ago so one is the Apple pencil and this is a really short one because it's
1:24:40you know it's easy when you say you know what the best of the year the stuff that
1:24:43he most recently tends to be more weight in your mind so I don't know what I mean
1:24:48I think long-term about it but the a pencil is really cool and yes the Apple
1:24:52TV is also knew the Apple TV i think is more of a mixed bag in terms of
1:24:55complexity and some of its remaining shortcomings and everything but the
1:25:00intensively only does one thing and it does that one thing already today from
1:25:05day one and it does it shockingly well once you can find one but it and it is
1:25:12so good and it's so nice to use that it is making me keep borrowing tips iPad
1:25:18Peru and keep wishing I had more of a reason to use this pencil because I am
1:25:24NOT a visual artist I don't illustrate things I don't make diagrams I don't
1:25:29take notes I I don't really have a good reason to use it but I wish I did
1:25:34because it's just so pleasant and delightful and just like technically
1:25:39satisfying like I know how good it is like it's it's also nice to use so what
1:25:44are you doing with it I'm just playing around maybe I should start trend take
1:25:48notes on things I don't know I don't know right now just player and the
1:25:52second thing is Tesla I don't own a test yet I'm planning on buying one soon but
1:25:59I don't own one yet but one thing I like about Tesla and they eating 2015 nearly
1:26:03came into their own with this that you know in the absence of Steve Jobs now
1:26:09the world is kind of low on genius billionaire is that are kind of near the
1:26:15tech industry that are making things really interesting for everybody and
1:26:18it's fun to be in one of those groups like it's fun it was fun to be a fan of
1:26:23Apple when steve was really at its peak between 4:30 before he died but it's fun
1:26:30to be a fan of a crazy billionaire company that's doing crazy good things
1:26:37jeff has always almost been that kind of person but
1:26:40not that kind of person Steve Jobs definitely was and i think you must have
1:26:44that kind of person and where ya he's he's out of his mind but is also a
1:26:49genius and he also is very different to keep making really interesting products
1:26:55that are pushing things forward in the in this area that the team that is
1:26:58working it and so i think i think what Tesla is doing is really cool even if I
1:27:05don't end up buying one which will buy one I have pretty much decided that now
1:27:09but it's just really cool to be in one of those fandoms of these kind of
1:27:16products but he's crazy billionaires again because they they do things that
1:27:19seem so audacious and when when they do them well it's really nice and an apple
1:27:27did it well and now Tessa seems to be doing it well and so that's vertical
1:27:30Activision is kind of like a crazy billionaire Mishra destiny wow very good
1:27:39for Activision they are simply crazy