The Accidental Tech Podcast

144: Digital Schmear

 

  anyway I don't know how you can edit the beginning of the show good luck to [TS]

  delete everything before right now come on what am I gonna pull out of a [TS]

  clinically cozy cozy discussion was wonderful I don't have a long shot but [TS]

  and beer warmers or Ohio Sorry Sorry Ohio it just doesn't make the cut [TS]

  just let it be known markers party pooper [TS]

  John would you like to tell us about Apple TV catching up on gaming consoles [TS]

  in power [TS]

  sure how much follow up on Apple TV is fine tailing off now but one [TS]

  conversation I saw floating around these past few weeks I forget what prompted it [TS]

  otherwise I would have put the link in here but maybe just people talking about [TS]

  gaming and Apple TV in general and some people like you know the the Apple TV [TS]

  with an AAA it's catching up some gaming consoles and power and gets more [TS]

  powerful than a ps3 [TS]

  maybe not as powerful as for now but the ps4 isn't going to change anytime soon [TS]

  like the s5 is not imminent so if Apple keeps revising the Apple TV at some [TS]

  point the Apple TV could be more powerful than all current generation [TS]

  gaming consoles and I think that's crazy talk there it it starts with the kernel [TS]

  of truth yes that the Apple TV the aids way faster than the old one and I'd even [TS]

  go survive and look into this deeply but just looking at the games you could say [TS]

  sure ps3 power maybe a little bit more probably that's a safe bet has ps3's [TS]

  really old console and again [TS]

  agree that it's not BS for power or Xbox one power but then they extrapolated say [TS]

  but you know this is the eighth but if next year's the 89th and the a10 you [TS]

  know even if it's just a year or two behind the top and phone [TS]

  the idea that iOS devices keep getting faster and game consoles have you know [TS]

  five to seven year life span sometimes even longer so if there is no P S five [TS]

  in their eyes and perhaps just before the PSI overrides the Apple TV will be [TS]

  more powerful and more powerful gaming system and the reason I think that's [TS]

  bunk is not necessarily because Apple couldn't make hardware that is faster [TS]

  than the ps4 because they inevitably will also not perhaps in the time frame [TS]

  before the BS IV comes but just because the Apple TV isn't the iPhone it doesn't [TS]

  get revised every year and even the iPhone even the highest-end iOS device [TS]

  they make the gigantic iPad pro the bill talk about later has only four gigs of [TS]

  ram and the ps4 has eight gigs of ram and you think well you know dramas [TS]

  matters the CPU and GPU will be just as fast when it comes to making games [TS]

  things like RAM [TS]

  and things like hard disk space and stuff like that makes a difference in [TS]

  the ps4 i think is a 500 gig hard drive now many gigs of ram when do you think [TS]

  it's going to be the Apple TV around eventually it will write but will have [TS]

  eight gigs of ram before the P S five is out I find that hard to believe given [TS]

  how frequently Apple updates the Apple TV and and even just given I don't even [TS]

  think the iPhone will have a gig of ram by 10 the DSi comes out the current rate [TS]

  of RAM do so and that's what makes a difference for games with like large [TS]

  open world games with high-resolution textures and all that other stuff so [TS]

  anyone thinking that the Apple TV will eventually be more powerful than the ps4 [TS]

  it will but by that time the TSX probably be out there is also a pretty [TS]

  big difference in thermals between between these kind of systems you know [TS]

  that as we as we see from modern CPU and GPU limitations and designs and progress [TS]

  and everything we're mainly limited by how much we will allow the chips 22 [TS]

  output or how much we can deal with the not putting and that pretty much put a [TS]

  limit on performance that we can get them at any given moment in any given [TS]

  year like in whatever we can do that year that is generally what we're [TS]

  fighting against the first things are AC connected you know that's really need to [TS]

  worry too much about the current draw which is related but you know you can [TS]

  you can match up the current drug much as you want you're plugged into a wall [TS]

  outlet but you still in a little tiny box 200 bucks next year TV hundred bucks [TS]

  your TV with no fan little tiny enclosure that's not even made of metal [TS]

  it's gonna be pretty hard to get you know maybe he tapped out of that you [TS]

  look at the game console and they had these big hot ship these big loud [TS]

  annoying fans especially in their first generation before the due process [TS]

  hearing so when the cs5 comes out there gonna be able to put in some giant big [TS]

  Hot Chip with a big loud fan on it and the Apple TV will still need to be this [TS]

  cheap families box running year or two old iPhone cuts and their and their [TS]

  offset from each other because like could you imagine when the PSD first [TS]

  came out of you that someday they'll be a little black box with no fans and its [TS]

  more powerful than the ps3 you like it out here but here we are [TS]

  but look at the time span [TS]

  its huge gap between the ps3 now so like just family's thing is always going to [TS]

  lag behind the thing with fans by at least a generation in and not like [TS]

  processing power as much as just capacity for large you know games like [TS]

  it [TS]

  having all that RAM is important for putting the big console games on there [TS]

  for the for the big textures and all I know the stuff and if you don't have [TS]

  that Ramdev you have to weigh like the ps3 didn't have a lot to a lot of crap [TS]

  in it [TS]

  part of the reason that the Apple TV can imagine these days it's because ps3 was [TS]

  very strange architecture and relatively ramstein but the ps4 is not RAM starved [TS]

  it's got tons of RAM and it's got tons of hard drive space which is not as fast [TS]

  as an SSD when you're you know freeloading levels and stuff it's fast [TS]

  enough to stream clubs anyway I don't I'm definitely not looking for the Apple [TS]

  TV to catch up and pass the ps4 unless I guess there is no BS five and then wait [TS]

  around until we can get a ps4 in a little box thing but I really think at [TS]

  this point that probably will be a PSI biggest the ps4 is doing pretty well for [TS]

  Sony all things considered [TS]

  alright and you follow up on an infinite times the rate we're going we are going [TS]

  to not have follow-up at all I don't even know what to make of this bloody [TS]

  shame that you can take them to put a lot of stuff in there but it's not [TS]

  really because we're just gonna talk more about that later [TS]

  any fallout you'd like to join you know that is fair enough [TS]

  alright awesome these days before we begin our first batch of this week is [TS]

  Squarespace start building a website today it's where space.com enter offer [TS]

  code ATP at checkout to get 10% off Squarespace [TS]

  beautiful now Squarespace offers you easy what you see is what you get [TS]

  website editing you can make all sorts of stuff it is amazingly capable there's [TS]

  tons of built-in widgets and themes and templates and Paige types in all this [TS]

  amazing built-in functionality all included in every plan that started just [TS]

  eight bucks a month let's face it many of us can make websites on a roof we [TS]

  need to but most of us probably shouldn't most of the time and [TS]

  Squarespace is great for all those times when you probably shouldn't be writing [TS]

  your own CMS [TS]

  to make a website for your kids school or via podcast you need to make a [TS]

  website for yourself or somebody else and you dont wanna be the one supporting [TS]

  it you don't want to be the one dealing with feature request from the client or [TS]

  from yourself or maintenance or dealing with downtime security updates all that [TS]

  stuff they take care of all of that for you all this started just eight bucks a [TS]

  month with a free trial so you don't have to believe me if you don't want to [TS]

  I mean look I'm wrong about a lot of stuff but I'm pretty sure about this but [TS]

  just in case I'm not go check it out for yourself go to scrippsnews.com started [TS]

  trial site you consent with no credit card required you don't have to worry [TS]

  about canceling before they do anything they can't tell you until you tell them [TS]

  to so go try it out to start building a site see how it goes for you next time [TS]

  you need to make a website or you gonna play on now just try to get their first [TS]

  give it an hour or two and see how much you can get done I but you can get most [TS]

  or all of you to get done finished in an hour or two and then you're done and you [TS]

  can go do anything else with your time check it out today [TS]

  square space.com please use offer code ATP get 10% off your first purchase when [TS]

  you sign up [TS]

  Squarespace build a beautiful the Mac App Store had some issues and the last [TS]

  week it was a pretty big disaster in I didn't really know what was going on I [TS]

  i've been really busy and so I have been following twitter is as religiously as I [TS]

  usually do and I saw there was some issues and I didn't think a lot of it [TS]

  because everything seemed to be working on my computer and then all of us to run [TS]

  one password and I was told I couldn't and suddenly the thing I wasn't paying [TS]

  attention to became a lot more real so john wants to tell us what happened [TS]

  well so stop the run from the Mac App Store is DRM encumbered let's say some [TS]

  degree their receipts that the Mac App Store but the application Apple's advice [TS]

  for figuring out on the launch of the application whether Abbas valleys to [TS]

  check those receipts this code that they you know some code samples showing you [TS]

  how to do that [TS]

  but you really do it anyway you want some developers use OpenSSL library at a [TS]

  bundle into their application of it sells an open source thing to check [TS]

  their certificates and their couple problems related as with most disasters [TS]

  not just one thing goes wrong multiples one of the things that went wrong is [TS]

  that Apple updated their certificate for this recede to use a better encryption [TS]

  of a strong encryption they'd been using previously and it just so happens that [TS]

  the OpenSSL library that a lot of applications used to validate their [TS]

  receipts can't handle this new encryption level right so that's one [TS]

  class of things that are wrong side of things that went wrong is the Mac App [TS]

  Store certificate expired and Apple replace it with a new one that is why [TS]

  they had the occasion I think there are places with the new one that had the [TS]

  stronger corruption and as a bug in the Mac App Store where even if a new [TS]

  certificate is issued after the Obama has expired [TS]

  some caching issue locally on the max that makes it not take the new even [TS]

  though the old one expired and so what people were getting was they were trying [TS]

  to launch application and I just one application but some in some cases of [TS]

  advocating for every application they've got from the Mac App Store you would end [TS]

  up getting these dollar boxes save this application is damaged please throw in [TS]

  the trash basically the system telling you that it could invalidate the [TS]

  authenticity is advocating this kind of the system working as designed and like [TS]

  if some malware infected all your applications and Mike turn them in the [TS]

  Trojan horses and stuff you would want to know [TS]

  hey don't you know don't run this application that's messed up the same [TS]

  dialog appears as if the violation machinery says you know like this case [TS]

  the certificate expired and even though Apple had issued a new uneven [TS]

  application might have been able to use that new one to validate that everything [TS]

  was going on the local operating system was telling it [TS]

  know you're trying to use certificate that expired like three days ago so [TS]

  you're on a lot so Apple fix this by downgrading their encryption to the [TS]

  elders and I think so applications version of this out [TS]

  and I don't know what they did to fix the oven to tell people like to reboot [TS]

  and stuff I'm not entirely sure what they did [TS]

  yeah they said they're preparing a software update for iOS tend to prevent [TS]

  the caching issue in the future but I can help people who had this problem [TS]

  last week [TS]

  yeah I mean this this was a disaster on so many levels it it's kind of an [TS]

  embarrassment mean so is the official statement they give which came pretty [TS]

  late six days later they made an official statement and it wasn't even [TS]

  that was at a public statement I think the email developers this thing I did [TS]

  something to developers and they also they also gave a PR statement to sites [TS]

  like I'm more into in a show notes this is a Apple is a lot of things they don't [TS]

  they don't put bad news or reactions to things on their own site you know [TS]

  they'll send the same PR statement to like you know known friendly Apple sites [TS]

  and have them all basically reported an apology behalf for them to the Apple [TS]

  doesn't have to like soil their site with any kind of negative PR so the [TS]

  statement they gave was I think it was a lot of BS and some truth there was a [TS]

  planned event and most users experienced no issues however some use experienced [TS]

  some issues during this change now that because the nature of this problem I [TS]

  think most users that is complete BS the idea that most users experience no [TS]

  issues and only some people had only some problems [TS]

  know how it is there any way that Apple could know the actual answer that [TS]

  because the Apple is not tracking I'm assuming how often we launch [TS]

  applications and stuff so I don't think anyone really knows the scope of this [TS]

  problem I you know I don't know I don't know honestly but but the fact is you [TS]

  know this PR statement is trying to minimize the issue but if you don't know [TS]

  and Apple doesn't [TS]

  know everyone is just guessing based on stories they've heard right I guess [TS]

  that's true I mean I suppose they could know like how many people get the [TS]

  certificate server right i mean they can estimate an estimated from life support [TS]

  load because you can do some math and say if we get X numbers of your calls to [TS]

  this issue that means why people really had this issue you know just based on [TS]

  historically speaking how many people will go to the phones are going to email [TS]

  about a particular issue you can kind of back at the envelope figure out based on [TS]

  previous problems that you did have better metrics on my nose and we're [TS]

  using is like do you know somebody who had this problem with their computer I [TS]

  can say I didn't I actually did encounter the problem of many my [TS]

  computer but then again I tend to avoid buying applications and Mac App Store [TS]

  but I do have some for example slap a broader than a Gap store and I use it [TS]

  every day and I had no problem with it is it because I'm always running it and [TS]

  if you're like if you're running it and the certificate expires in August [TS]

  probably the only to quit and launch it but I'm pretty sure I did clinton lunch [TS]

  during that window in heaven restarted so anyway I had zero problems [TS]

  Casey had a problem some people had tons of problems I had many problems like [TS]

  stories with the show the dialog box like 500 dialog box is popping up on the [TS]

  screen [TS]

  things anyway that the bottom line is that this was a problem that could have [TS]

  potentially affected every single user is never purchased anything in the Mac [TS]

  App Store that and it and it probably affected a lot of them because who you [TS]

  know I maybe I just got lucky but like conceptually speaking this is you don't [TS]

  need a weird set of circumstances to trigger this problem I don't think you [TS]

  just need to have purchase things in a cab store to have your system cache the [TS]

  old city and then to launch them at the new one has been issued a check point at [TS]

  something pretty relevant here [TS]

  slack probably does not do receive validation on lunch because the free app [TS]

  care so the only after receiving outpatient would would have had this [TS]

  problem I'm trying to get the Mac App Store apps I have I guess I have Apple's [TS]

  apps like you know [TS]

  you know pages and all that stuff from Iraq speed and that I tend not to buy [TS]

  the Mac App Store and that's that the second factor in this which is things [TS]

  like this especially for people who have no idea why this happened [TS]

  make them feel worse about the Mac App Store and people who have any clue about [TS]

  the details of the Mac App Store this widely make them avoid it more than they [TS]

  did in the past I am avoiding it for a variety of reasons mostly because [TS]

  they're you know the applications I use even when they were on the negative like [TS]

  BBEdit I never bought the Mac App Store version because it was crippled by Sam [TS]

  boxing because of Apple's rules over have a choice between buying the [TS]

  crippled sandbox version and the non crippled version and another nine [TS]

  crippled version gives more money to the developer by the Niagara provision every [TS]

  time so it's what I've always done if there's any choice the one that and the [TS]

  Mac App Store it's always been like that's convenient you know I don't care [TS]

  that much about it it's not a big deal or it's free like slacker whatever you [TS]

  know it's more convenient than going to direct download it like I would like to [TS]

  have the experience where I just go to one place and see all my apps and auto [TS]

  update them know that is something I'd like those features the Mac App Store [TS]

  but perhaps they really count I'm definitely buying them outside but are [TS]

  people who were more towards the Mac App Store the like you know what the [TS]

  convenience is more important to me than like giving more money a developer and [TS]

  the allegations I use don't suffer many soundbytes any issues and I really love [TS]

  auto-update knows his stuff never mind the most Mac outside for the Mac App [TS]

  Store already using spark or something like that anyway for people who know [TS]

  about these details this is going to make them think twice because they're [TS]

  like before the tradeoff is worth it to me I will buy from the Mac App Store [TS]

  because the convenience is worth it to me for further potential downsides but [TS]

  now they're weighing that can be very versus like you know this day when all [TS]

  your absolute launch and you gotta figure out what the problem is and so [TS]

  this is not good [TS]

  both short-term and long-term for the Mac App Store which is already not a [TS]

  particularly beloved institution as far as developers and tech-savvy users are [TS]

  concerned that's the problem i mean it there's there are so many reasons [TS]

  already why you might want to be hesitant about buying the Mac App Store [TS]

  and why developers might want to be hesitant to be in the Mac App Store and [TS]

  to just to add one more thing the pilot just a really bad [TS]

  and for that and it just seems like you know there is there's a good post by is [TS]

  it is it Michael Tsai and he he he made a post called there's nobody minding the [TS]

  store is basically like you know collecting all these quoted everything [TS]

  and pointing out just like the Mac App Store is just so neglected and it has [TS]

  been since its introduction you know the iOS App Store has its own set of [TS]

  problems but the Mac App Store is so much worse in almost every way [TS]

  the fact that has a bug you know a certificate that's like one of many [TS]

  problems with it that's only the most recent problem with it the application [TS]

  itself the Mac App Store application is a disaster [TS]

  the the sandboxing issues have pushed out tons of good apps Mac after [TS]

  developers I i really feel sorry for the man and if I were launching a Mac App [TS]

  I'm not sure I would put their like if you would have asked me a year ago if I [TS]

  was on a Mac output in the App Store I'd say yeah probably you know what to do [TS]

  with myself distributing it so he appeared in the App Store but today I [TS]

  don't think I would it just seems like it's not worth all of the downsides and [TS]

  costs it really depends if I was doing a Mac App I would say it really depends on [TS]

  what kind of a bad is because if it's a small apt if it's free yepper is an app [TS]

  that you think will never be impacted by Sam boxing and you just don't want to [TS]

  deal with you no corroborating sparkle and putting up your own [TS]

  and point for that and making sure it's up for the updates and doing payment [TS]

  processing yourself and although the stuff that you have to do if you did the [TS]

  direct sales records say you you don't have an existing channel for direct [TS]

  sales esophagus or not established software company or whatever it is [TS]

  definitely convenient to use the Mac App Store but if your app in App that that [TS]

  wasn't true for even one of those things like could buy a potentially be impacted [TS]

  by Sam boxing don't you know don't get the Mac App Store do already have a way [TS]

  to accept money from people I don't need to make up store for that they already [TS]

  know how to incorporate itself auto update and have a robust framework for [TS]

  doing that already have a website that have to keep up with so I can put an end [TS]

  point on for updates [TS]

  than just you know there's no point if you feel like those things that you know [TS]

  I'm not actually mad developers I don't know but part of a part of this whole [TS]

  recent round of Mac App Store stuff in the TechNet circles with developers said [TS]

  reiterating see guys this is why I'm not in the maggot star and users like the [TS]

  dayside thing writing out all the list of all the great Mac apps that are not [TS]

  in the Mac App Store like the Mac App Store even though many people think of [TS]

  it as the only and best and single place to get back software a lot of the Mac [TS]

  software that uses really love love the best Mac software is just not on the Mac [TS]

  App Store and obviously that's not true and I West because it's pretty much all [TS]

  the software and I was on the App Store so it's always been in a comfortable [TS]

  position with the Makassar because there is an alternate we all want there to be [TS]

  an alternative that means the Mac App Store actually has to compete in the [TS]

  same way that the iTunes Music Store had to compete against piracy the Mac App [TS]

  Store has to compete against direct sales and applications that can be more [TS]

  powerful and do more powerful things and it's currently losing that competition [TS]

  and even as a user everything and everything about the Mac App Store from [TS]

  a user perspective has gotten worse over time you know first when he started [TS]

  chanting sandboxing you know that not only put out a lot of apps that made us [TS]

  home now we have to like exchange our license to go down to the directors and [TS]

  everything so that that was a pain for for people who bought in early to the [TS]

  App Store and then when simpson came in now like I hate sandbox ABS [TS]

  therapy [TS]

  from the user side to use the guy I have a couple of one of them is called space [TS]

  kremlin it helps like finally earlier just basis and you know it has to read [TS]

  your whole hard drive and the convoluted hoops that applicants have to do is [TS]

  click this button choose the root folder and every time you gotta like redo it I [TS]

  know now it can't look at files that it's such a pain and FM user perspective [TS]

  just like sandboxing is I don't understand the Security benefits of it [TS]

  but if it's a very rarely used opt in system those are all those are pretty [TS]

  limited and I don't think it's worth it as I really don't like the way it is the [TS]

  way to Mindanao and it's incredibly you know half-baked and seemingly completely [TS]

  neglected way I don't want it as a user has one more thing and Essendon you had [TS]

  something like this [TS]

  like this receipt validation bug that made all my apps just break all of a [TS]

  sudden like that's a big problem this what reason do I have as a user to buy [TS]

  more after the Mac App Store after all the problems and and you know things [TS]

  getting worse I i don't i don't see a good reason anymore but you stuck out [TS]

  there can be no reason like the plate one place you can go for the updates and [TS]

  it's easy to buy things there I wish the Mac App Store should also make it easier [TS]

  to install but they don't really but beyond that like this all the pros are [TS]

  still there but the conscious keep stacking up in the constant go and the [TS]

  same boxing thing really like the main problem with that aside from all the [TS]

  bugs and all the other things that the poor Mac developers had to complain [TS]

  about how you know I was gets better tools for crash reports and debugging [TS]

  and betas and testified know those anyway aside from all of that Mac App [TS]

  Store sandboxing like ISSN boxing and everyone gets along with it because the [TS]

  entire system the entire operating system the entire way of using the phone [TS]

  has from the beginning [TS]

  been built around the ideas and bison witches you know problems for data [TS]

  sharing and silly like URL schemes to get around all these things like still [TS]

  has some problems but it fits with the system on the Mac sandboxing flies in [TS]

  the face of the entire history of the [TS]

  platform and if you put sandboxing in that environment it it doesn't fit like [TS]

  if your app happens to fit into a little nice and I think you're fine but this [TS]

  whole classes of applications good useful applications that don't fit [TS]

  within sandboxing and it's like it's almost like Apple saying we really rich [TS]

  really wish that you didn't have to have at like this on your Mac we really [TS]

  really wish the Mac was like I was and so they say maybe we make all the Mac [TS]

  apps PC and box then the Mac will be just like the iPhone but it's not and so [TS]

  like this [TS]

  demarco just mentioned you know Sean Reilly disk spaces could have like in [TS]

  System Preferences a disk space usage thing that did the same thing that was [TS]

  part of the operating system like settings is on and I they could but they [TS]

  don't and Mac users do have to manage a story [TS]

  storage and automatic because of the way it is it's difficult to tell where all [TS]

  that space is going because you have a lot of files and folders and although [TS]

  the stuff that again is not usable and I was so there is a place for applications [TS]

  that do this type of thing same thing for like dis duplicate things like super [TS]

  duper and stuff that's the thing you don't have to do with pounds because [TS]

  they've always had like love that the cloud backup now and are you back them [TS]

  up the iTunes will just push the problem on your Mac or whatever you going to do [TS]

  for the Mac we need a way to back it up and doing descanses a useful thing to do [TS]

  and this client software needs to read the entire disk of course and sandboxing [TS]

  makes it a pain it can be done but it's a it's a big super pain so you can't [TS]

  like you can't make the mac as safe as iOS by merely just sayin applications [TS]

  have to be sandbox all you can do is say some applications will be sandbox and [TS]

  it's good for them like it is a benefit to the user to have applications that [TS]

  can get outside their little pen and that they somehow get exploited or [TS]

  broken or there's a bug in them or whatever they can do less damage but [TS]

  that other class of applications is never going to go away so long as the [TS]

  Mac still is like it is long as the neck is still let you know an old style PC [TS]

  operating system so I don't see what they can do about the tension of them to [TS]

  you know make a tiered system and say sandboxes you can give you a special [TS]

  label and store your sandbox and label if you're not instead they're just [TS]

  stubbornly saying everything else [TS]

  the sandbox and if you can work in the sandbox we don't want your kind of [TS]

  application on our platform and at least the tech-savvy users are saying you may [TS]

  not want that kind of application on the platform but I want that location [TS]

  because I does useful things for me and so you make it no longer useful like [TS]

  you'll never need to close this again because all your data is magically [TS]

  backed up using quantum entanglement something great for you make it like iOS [TS]

  and you know with no local backup option everything is a cloud backup are you [TS]

  gotta give me some way to do all these things that are into something symbols [TS]

  BBEdit where the text editor wants to be able to have like a file browser without [TS]

  throwing a stupid open save dialog box in your face that you know the power box [TS]

  thing to let you convince the system that you're allowed to access these [TS]

  files like you know a program-best I'll text editor when you browse the whole [TS]

  process is a useful thing to have because the Mac is a system that lets [TS]

  you have files and folders and exposed to a file system and you can't deviate [TS]

  it is not useful if you can find to like a sandbox like environment all you're [TS]

  doing is pushing the noise under the user to do silly things in the UI to [TS]

  convince the system that yes please let me be added to the text files no matter [TS]

  where they are in need to go you said he would it be nice if if Apple had [TS]

  included something like spacecraft later my preferred at daisy dukes have you not [TS]

  seen about this Mac and then the storage have which is super useful and is [TS]

  telling me that of the three quarters of a terabyte I have fall about half of it [TS]

  is either the usage visa denial is not very granular but at the granular on the [TS]

  level that I S Works perhaps you don't have direct access to managing the [TS]

  storage there it's like all you can do about it is delete an app and all that [TS]

  goes with it maybe some apps you can go into the appetite to lead videos or [TS]

  whatever you know but the granularity of the information provided by the settings [TS]

  thing and iOS matches the granularity of the way you use iOS moralist the grand [TS]

  idea the Mac for good or for ill is files and folders you know let me tell [TS]

  you how much as music how much as video and how much is a giant yellow bar for [TS]

  other [TS]

  wonder how comes up with that a is not even a useful as I can be just not the [TS]

  way the Mac works I need to know like I use it all the time especially backhand [TS]

  before [TS]

  upgraded my computer shit 256 gig as a state and I would need to like hunt down [TS]

  you know some episode of My Little Pony that I didn't know her daughter [TS]

  downloaded iTunes today get out of the iTunes folder and delete the damn thing [TS]

  you know and you can do that sometimes some of the night but you know even just [TS]

  discovered that many people make that the virtual memory sleep image can push [TS]

  you over the years [TS]

  your disk space unlimited right because when you get a machine with a lot of RAM [TS]

  and a small SSD that really hard questions like do I really need the you [TS]

  know the Hibernate functionality justice able to use old South Bend is really [TS]

  hope that it doesn't run out of battery was only answer it's really ugly and I [TS]

  don't know what I when I saw that one password which just so happened to be [TS]

  the first thing that that reared its ugly head when I saw that that was [TS]

  broken or well not broken but I saw that have been brought about the Mac App [TS]

  Store I realized what was happening very quickly but that was only because I'd [TS]

  seen some passing references to it on Twitter RSS what have you if I remember [TS]

  right the dialogue though said something like oh this is all broke go free [TS]

  download it and it doesn't even spell it says this application is damaged and you [TS]

  should move into the trash right exactly and so the solution is free download [TS]

  from the Mac App Store the process of doing so they couldn't have made it more [TS]

  obtuse and and manual if they tried like that's the thing is that you know I kind [TS]

  of know what I'm doing when it comes to using a computer I can't imagine someone [TS]

  who doesn't follow this stuff I mean it's not that hard to go to the [TS]

  Applications folder and drag it to the trash then go back to Mac App Store but [TS]

  that dialogue to your point Marco didn't really make it clear what the correct [TS]

  order of operations are corrected tasks was to fix this issue and it's just it [TS]

  was like one of you said it was a disaster from top to bottom it was the [TS]

  disaster all the way down and and it's a little frustrating that the most Apple [TS]

  did was say well you know screwed up but we'll fix it don't worry you know the [TS]

  thing is they have all the info [TS]

  dialog box they have all the information on the system to fix that in one breast [TS]

  if the system things that the application damages should be thrown in [TS]

  the trash [TS]

  there could be one button that says would you like me to redownload this [TS]

  cause I know exactly what it is and I know that you purchased it and I can put [TS]

  in the trash and I can be downloaded for you because I know everything about like [TS]

  the guineas like that the same thing with uninstall I get the install process [TS]

  really is drag it to the trash was not a big honking uninstall button in the Mac [TS]

  App Store app so anyway [TS]

  a lot of his neglect of just like things they could do and they don't do you [TS]

  speak in the collect our tipster in the chatroom insist loudly and has been [TS]

  since this time that's happened at this bug about the certificate cashing has [TS]

  already been reported there's already a radar for it and it's been around since [TS]

  I was 10 10.6 that's uncomfortable and has not been texting again it's tips or [TS]

  information so take with a grain of salt but there's not but it's it's the you [TS]

  know it feels bad when your platform is not getting attention and various times [TS]

  Apple has ignored the Mac and then sell it said that like you know we really [TS]

  care about the Mac were paying a lot of attention to end done lots of important [TS]

  things to the Mac but they're still areas particularly around the Mac App [TS]

  Store especially as it compares to the regular App Store that just feels [TS]

  neglected and you know how many people do you think are actually tasked with [TS]

  working on this kind of thing that Apple right now [TS]

  like you know Apple's teams are always lots more than you think they are and [TS]

  apple also has has this cut this very frequent habit that from what I hear is [TS]

  is worse than ever [TS]

  where engineers get pulled off with things all the time to go work on some [TS]

  new projects need more engineering resources that is a newer thing or more [TS]

  important to the current direction of the company or current business goals so [TS]

  people can move around the time and there is usually you know either nobody [TS]

  left working on boring stuff at the Mac App Store or a surprisingly small staff [TS]

  like it might be like a handful of people doing some things have like one [TS]

  person working on me know it's so a bug like that like it's it's not that like [TS]

  the Mac App Store staff just didn't [TS]

  you know is so big that they were it's more likely that almost no one's working [TS]

  on this and that like an Apple keeps having problems like this where the [TS]

  boring old stuff gets these kinda like either gets ignored forever and bugs [TS]

  like this around four years or he gets like these drive-by updates like [TS]

  somebody comes in [TS]

  it's all things like Discovery Day is a perfect example of this but we hear the [TS]

  El Cap USB stack might be something like this [TS]

  certainly we're hearing that the account Disk Utility is probably something like [TS]

  this where it's kind of a drive by update where somebody is finally allowed [TS]

  to work on it and told to like you know revamping cleaning up a rewrite it or [TS]

  something and you get like one pass it and what comes out is like 75% [TS]

  functional and then that person is gone incentive to work on something else and [TS]

  it like this this is not the recipe for quality at all it's the complete [TS]

  opposite of what you should be doing and it is not even an efficient way to run [TS]

  an engineering organization Michigan some of the hundred developers Instagram [TS]

  who don't have time to make an iPad up for Twitter cut itself which is set for [TS]

  all the people lost their jobs but they had and still do have a very large [TS]

  number of people i mean to some degree I can kind of explain what we're never [TS]

  understand that they've got a server-side components everyone everyone [TS]

  throws a big developer numbers of these companies they envision all these people [TS]

  working on the iOS app when Shirley perhaps the majority of them are working [TS]

  on backend stuff but the number of developers in these large BC funded [TS]

  companies hire lots of really smart people to work on one or two flagship [TS]

  mobile applications and then you compare them to the like one or two person [TS]

  independent shops writing competing third-party applications like how how [TS]

  his Twitter have literally 100 iOS developers making their their iOS [TS]

  Twitter client [TS]

  terrific has two people and you look at the two applications and you think their [TS]

  peers like they seem about the same [TS]

  right one of them is made by the company that makes the thing and it made by two [TS]

  guys and so I just a middleman month at a certain point adding more people [TS]

  doesn't help and then you know this committee syndrome and people are you [TS]

  know you can actually make any changes whitewater to its credit has been saying [TS]

  that they're trying to you know become more efficient or whatever but Apple [TS]

  seems to have the opposite problem we're like Marco said every story we hear is [TS]

  you know there's actually one guy who's responsible for these three applications [TS]

  and to give her release he does to minor updates each one fix some bugs and [TS]

  that's about it you know [TS]

  Crashers first and everything else at this time and there's gotta be something [TS]

  in the middle there where you have a reasonable number of people empowered to [TS]

  make good decisions to not just make a product but to continue to make it [TS]

  better [TS]

  year after year after year like the hard way teams surely it's not like they took [TS]

  the you know the iPhone for a center said every year let's make my time do [TS]

  anything except for to fix a broken home button right now to make a whole new [TS]

  phone and they go you know the hardware gets better and better and better [TS]

  the software depending on what it is can spend years without really moving inside [TS]

  yet the Mac does have a lot of applications and some don't really [TS]

  change much year after year even when we feel like they should like maybe it's ok [TS]

  the terminal application doesn't change dramatically from year to year but the [TS]

  Mac App Store that everyone agrees has all these problems should really be [TS]

  getting more attention on Xbox of this week is mail route mail route really [TS]

  brings you the best spam filtering I've ever seen [TS]

  to your email or your server so that net / 18 this works around the service that [TS]

  you put between your email server or your e-mail service like fast bowler [TS]

  whatever you put them between that and the internet so your redirect your MX [TS]

  records to them they deliver clean spam filter emailed directly to your email [TS]

  hosts I viewed as myself now for about a year I think and it is amazing I've [TS]

  never seen spam filtering this could I use this I recommend this personally [TS]

  they can't pay me to say that they can payment every their script they cannot [TS]

  pay me to say that I use it and I recommended I use this I recommend it [TS]

  I was skeptical at first I'll tell you I was very skeptical of putting some other [TS]

  service in front of my email because email is very important for a lot of [TS]

  things and I i recognize that and so I was skeptical for a while and then once [TS]

  I tried it blew me away how good it was it removed any doubt I've never had any [TS]

  problems with them and the performance of the city of their spam filtering is [TS]

  really something else I have never seen anything like it I have tried so many [TS]

  other options [TS]

  server-side rules most email hosts including fast mail have lots of spam [TS]

  filtering options on server side you can do it made them can get quite [TS]

  sophisticated honestly but even they were never as good as when I get from [TS]

  mail route today and we have to put almost no effort into it whatsoever I [TS]

  cannot recommend it highly enough so if you care about such things they have [TS]

  let's see they have LDAP Active Directory TLS support male banking a [TS]

  pound relay anything if you run a mail server anything that you probably need [TS]

  for your business for yourself you can be dramatically useful to people who run [TS]

  their own servers as you can really cut back on the resources on your servers [TS]

  and probably even the number of servers you have your own a big companies email [TS]

  stuff so check it out it really does it now route is quite incredible I cannot [TS]

  recommend it highly enough [TS]

  go to merit that net / ATP for a free trial and using this link [TS]

  10% off for the lifetime of your entire accounts this is not just 10% off once [TS]

  10% off forever everything you pay them is 10% off check it out [TS]

  mail route net / ATP thanks a lot [TS]

  ok so the long national nightmare is over you have acquired an apple pencil I [TS]

  have yes we have the iPad pro and we have the front smart cover only cause I [TS]

  couldn't i couldn't bring myself to spend $140 to cover the back as well [TS]

  could face up to $400 buying a pencil so we now have iPad pro and the Apple [TS]

  pencil and I love using the iPad Apple pencil however I am not much of an [TS]

  artist I wish I had more reasons to use it [TS]

  fortunately my wife is an artist and does use it and she's had a lot of [TS]

  experience with it so please welcome on the show our return guests Tiffany are [TS]

  meant I'm not an artist a dabbler [TS]

  the artist formerly known as to assure you you're much better artist than I and [TS]

  i know john has doubled in the past as well as I won't speak for him on that [TS]

  one [TS]

  certainly better than me and I think it's safe to say better than Marco so [TS]

  your ears we got for now anyway I don't know Marquez drawings are pretty amazing [TS]

  like his stick figures are killer Casey two-caliber gonna say given randall [TS]

  Munroe a run for his money not that good you made that awesome little decaf sign [TS]

  with that said coffee mug that was super funny I can occasionally make it one [TS]

  decent dry I love his drawings I think we have to get rid of the idea that you [TS]

  have to you have to pass some skill threshold to have a reason to use any [TS]

  sort of artistic employment I agree no matter what it is that you're doing it [TS]

  there's not like nothing bad will happen to you if you quote unquote can't draw [TS]

  and you start dealing with the style like we all do it all again the margins [TS]

  are no books and everything just if it's fun to do and you find it relaxing and [TS]

  meditated like I'm sure someone to have an incredible make the adult coloring [TS]

  book application for the iPad and it'll get it she will love it and I know there [TS]

  is no like you don't have to I know Marcos looking for something useful [TS]

  productive but if it's relaxing and fun to do you can try to meet you actually [TS]

  have any interest you can get better at it by practicing and learning about it I [TS]

  guess just like any other skill that I for the longest time I didn't even start [TS]

  doing anything because I was afraid to be bad and everyone's bad at first [TS]

  though it was kind of a stupid fear but that's a kept me from even trying to [TS]

  draw anything ever and so recently I decided you know I'm like 32 years old [TS]

  I'm tired of being afraid of being bad [TS]

  mad at something that I don't even know how to do this by the way listen to this [TS]

  week's back to work which is basically entirely on that topic it's really [TS]

  alright alright pencils that I've already broken I was about to say he [TS]

  took the words right out of my mouth so how long did the pencil last from from [TS]

  the time you had opened the cover of the box to its actually initial breakage [TS]

  about five seconds literally like I opened the box and I was looking at the [TS]

  little card cause this comes at this card that also has inserts in it which [TS]

  is on top of the pencil so I open that up in first I was pulling out what the [TS]

  card was the box flipped over the pencil fell out of the box it fell unto our [TS]

  floor and it the cap popped off this little silver ring popped off the cap in [TS]

  their pieces everywhere so but it turned out that functional it's just the body [TS]

  of it was broken as a fair to say well the little tiny cap has this little tiny [TS]

  silver ring that goes inside of it and it seems to be held on by nothing but [TS]

  like a dot of glue so it just probably fell the worst way possible because not [TS]

  very tight in the case and in the box when it comes so it just kind of flipped [TS]

  out in that little tiny ring popped up in the market has since super glued it [TS]

  back on and but I know it still feels funny to me I mean the Holst the whole [TS]

  pencil even with the ring in place the cap is not really fit tightly they came [TS]

  in so many ways this pencil was like not designed for practicality which is a [TS]

  shame because it feels really good I can use it it works incredibly well as we [TS]

  get to but you know I expressed concern earlier even when they when they first [TS]

  announced it that like there was there's nowhere to put it for one thing because [TS]

  no way to attach it to your put it into any kind of cover for the iPad that [TS]

  exists so far which is so frustrating because where else you can use this [TS]

  pencil nowhere nowhere else is essential to be used anywhere besides with this [TS]

  MacBook Pro so why not attach it you crazy people right and and so and the [TS]

  cap so if you want to charge this thing you know we also expressed concern when [TS]

  they first showed the soft two months ago whenever we also expressed concern [TS]

  that [TS]

  that you put it in the end of the end you put in the lightning port that is [TS]

  just asking to be broken off that is so precarious and looks weird first of all [TS]

  but just so ridiculous and and it seems like possibly last minute they added [TS]

  this like this double female lightning adapter that's in the box you can you [TS]

  can use it to reverse the orientation Attorney General lightning plug on it so [TS]

  that you can charge it from a lightning cable which is way more scene and I [TS]

  understand why they did it whatever you can't remember if you only have the iPad [TS]

  in the pencil with you and you need a quick charge you can get one quickly [TS]

  just from the iPad it's nice to have that ability I guess but that also [TS]

  should be the primary charge it and so I get that last second and it isn't the [TS]

  problem is when you're charging it if you plug it in like yo overnight [TS]

  sometime if you're charging it when you put the cap you can magnetically [TS]

  attached the cap to the one of the smarter and smarter than them you can [TS]

  stick the little captain its kind of wobbly really is designed to be in [TS]

  Johnny Ives white world and it and like it doesn't it doesn't seem like it [TS]

  rolled around in the way he won't find it so you don't have to worry about [TS]

  rolling off the desk is it is weightless off a desk but it is it seemed like it [TS]

  just made at every opportunity to break or get lost in like even when it's in [TS]

  the iPad to charge it had it lightning connector is extra long and it fits [TS]

  fairly loosely [TS]

  like it's just everything about it is like loose and just waiting to either [TS]

  break or get lost while the Cabaret almost went into the vacuum and the rate [TS]

  of the air conditioner vent our house about two hours after I broke its I'm [TS]

  doing really great right now so I'm hearing a since they're so plentiful you [TS]

  should just just jumped on down to the local Apple store and get a couple of [TS]

  backups because nobody's looking to buy a dozen and keep them in a big jar so [TS]

  you lose one pencil box like ran i mean they're cheap they're plentiful no no [TS]

  problems they're gonna sell so many things because people if you if you [TS]

  actually use it regularly [TS]

  I would guess you have to buy a new and probably once a year so so you know at [TS]

  least maybe even more depending on how careless you are a few things are you [TS]

  know if you lose things lot like you couldn't have designed to be to be less [TS]

  practical for like forgetfulness or clumsiness if that makes sense I'm not [TS]

  that clumsy or I never lose things I know where everything is in the house [TS]

  down to like the little tiny piece of anything I know where it is and losing I [TS]

  can't believe how I comedy of errors happened yesterday when we got ahold of [TS]

  ya so like we actually so I I had pre-ordered where i read online that has [TS]

  it has a ship date of like mid December and I wanted soon as I kept like you [TS]

  know going into the stores until they had it and then I got I was able to get [TS]

  there but I'm not gonna cancel that pre-order for the for the one I think we [TS]

  need a spare and is it gonna be good to use have been buzzing find out if you [TS]

  can draw on the screen with two pencils once thats Wow alright soon now that you [TS]

  have a slightly damaged but otherwise functional pencil what is it like to use [TS]

  and if you wouldn't mind can you set the stage as to describe you know what you [TS]

  would normally do that's artistic with a pen or pencil you know where you are you [TS]

  drawing your own Rembrandt's or you just drawing stick figures I presume it [TS]

  somewhere in between [TS]

  well never gonna like sketching which i think the pencil I feel like it really [TS]

  excels at it from you know actually developed a new signature if anyone has [TS]

  seen it on Twitter recently which is what I decided to do first with my [TS]

  pencil is the most important thing develop your signature for your iPad are [TS]

  you writing checks from you if it's like naming your band in high school before [TS]

  you actually like practiced once forgotten to get my arm and i got my [TS]

  names that was actually really fun to do on the pencil and it from what I've [TS]

  tested three programs now and that whatever it is it's really depending on [TS]

  the program and your level of skill with using these type of programs on how [TS]

  great the pencil fields I do allow watercolor in real life not digitally [TS]

  and so trying to [TS]

  to replicate that in a lot of programs as a little bit iffy obviously because [TS]

  you have you know you're dealing with like ink flowing and and pigment in the [TS]

  water and dilution and transparency so that's a little tricky but the pencil [TS]

  actually makes it really fun to play with on the iPad and with some medium [TS]

  like trying to replicate a medium that's more solid the pencil really really [TS]

  excels in it feels extremely fluid it doesn't detect your hand at all which is [TS]

  really amazing and when you say it doesn't take your hand you mean if your [TS]

  hand is on there it's not also drawing it smart enough to throw away the hand [TS]

  portion yet [TS]

  yeah it will detective fingertip if you accidentally remove a fingertip around [TS]

  but with most of these programs as you know like a race and backs though it's [TS]

  not like a ruining anything but with the palm detection is really like you can [TS]

  rest your hand on the iPad pro and draw and it doesn't it doesn't detect it [TS]

  doesn't smear anything it as a you know digitally smear under no mere so [TS]

  something else I don't know I'm from the island so you should I do I think it's [TS]

  really really enjoyable and so far I've done a number of sketches with it and I [TS]

  keep wanting to do more I almost fell asleep last night [TS]

  cradled next to me intimate but yeah I'm really enjoying it [TS]

  COO of the city views with it what would you say is your favorite and corollary [TS]

  to that is that the best app for the pencil or do you just like the [TS]

  experience with that app the most well-marked petunia ones on today and [TS]

  before that I was using Adobe's sketches that would I was using and then today [TS]

  you put on what did you put on a pro bono procreate and Jesus Japanese name [TS]

  that I forgot of another very popular schedule [TS]

  anyway so I was just recently just trying with those just before the show [TS]

  and they have more of a learning curve I think because they're really involved [TS]

  for artists that know what they're doing the Adobe sketch one was pretty easy to [TS]

  master right away [TS]

  being a newbie using the pencil newbie to art you felt like you were [TS]

  accomplishing a real work you know like you not just a little sketch that you're [TS]

  going to delete it doesn't matter if you really felt like you could do it the [TS]

  other ones they have so many changes and buttons inflows and this and that the [TS]

  interface is a little bit trickier to navigate if you don't know what you're [TS]

  doing but I feel like that those other programs are the programs that you would [TS]

  move onto after you kind of mastered how to manipulate the pencil with different [TS]

  mediums that are available and a lot of these programs and the name I was [TS]

  forgetting before it was a tie a tie Suu sketches I actually went to the Apple [TS]

  store this past weekend and spent maybe a minute may have two minutes using the [TS]

  pencil I did ask one of the employees if they had any in stock and they basically [TS]

  left my face I mean they were much nicer about it and that that that was the [TS]

  message was he had now but I did play with briefly I only used the notes out [TS]

  and again I'm no artist but I thought it was cool I thought the tilting the [TS]

  pencil on its side the lake shade was kind of neat but I don't know why but [TS]

  the thing that blew my freaking mind was when I got the Notes app out and I and I [TS]

  put on the the on-screen ruler have you played with the staff no I haven't so in [TS]

  the Notes app you can bring up in on-screen ruler ended behaves like you [TS]

  have a ruler on the page it's not perfect because there's no physical [TS]

  barrier to keep you from you know flinging the pencil across your iPad but [TS]

  it does oh really darn good mimic of water rulers like it it's so stupid and [TS]

  I know why found that some press it [TS]

  but I just thought it was really really really cool see you mean I keep the line [TS]

  straight correct right so you can draw up against the ruler and have a [TS]

  perfectly straight line and you can you know spin the ruler round as he spent a [TS]

  total of it shows what angle it's at and it was just very very neat I don't know [TS]

  why I personally would ever need to do that but I just thought it was so well [TS]

  implemented and so well done I also went to the store recently got to play with [TS]

  the pencil I was the first thing I was struck by was in the Apple Store the [TS]

  pencils not hatch for things like it's not attached with the little bankers you [TS]

  know little metal beaded chain thing it is just loose in a little creative thing [TS]

  is I have to imagine those things are walking out the door like crazy at Apple [TS]

  especially when they are rare but anyway I did get to try it [TS]

  although the first thing that confuses me with a conveyor why wasn't working to [TS]

  do is paired with the one like they had the pencil in the middle of two iPad [TS]

  pros it was paired with the other ones I just plugged into my thing and repair it [TS]

  was just nice that feature that repairing feature is cool and comes in [TS]

  handy to know the stupid Bluetooth thing to parents using it I experienced things [TS]

  we talked about a Pashos varies widely my appt some of them are slow some of [TS]

  them are fast the Notes app was the fastest one that I tried because they [TS]

  had a bunch of different apps installed on it it was fun it was interesting to [TS]

  note that the pencil tool that's both look like a pencil to keep saying like [TS]

  oh you can tell to do shading and stuff like that that is the one part of the [TS]

  notice that that felt the least like real media to me and my my biases that I [TS]

  have habits in my you know my hands and you know my mind and my body from using [TS]

  real pencils and stuff for many many years when I was a kid and every time I [TS]

  use anything that involves like drawing on a tablet screen or whatever it's [TS]

  almost as if it was farther away from the real thing out few more comfortable [TS]

  because then I wouldn't be trying to use the the you know the the motions and [TS]

  gestures that I'm used to from the real physical world of art media but the [TS]

  pencils close enough to real media that I expected to look work more like a [TS]

  pencil and that still shaking thing just does not work anything like an actual [TS]

  pencil and so I was continually frustrated by the fact that I had to [TS]

  stop myself from do [TS]

  I would do with an actual pencil and start doing with this pencil demands in [TS]

  particular I found that a lot of the ones that I draw I draw with the pencil [TS]

  tilted at such an angle that the accelerometers in the pencil think I [TS]

  want to do shading but in reality but the real physical pencil on paper I'm [TS]

  still just using the tape and I find that very frustrating and maybe have to [TS]

  change how I was doing everything to be more directly into the into the screen [TS]

  to make sure it doesn't then line if I could disable the shaving thing or [TS]

  change like the ratio but don't even start shaving thing until I'm super [TS]

  tilted over yeah that really bother me a lot but that's just that I think that is [TS]

  more of a barrier of like people who are good at using computers to draw it is [TS]

  actually I think it'd be different enough skill from people are going to [TS]

  using you know pencils or pens or paints or any other me like the media really [TS]

  think that you're using the medium really does change how you think so if I [TS]

  got one of these and I was actually using it to draw I think I would have to [TS]

  have a learning curve to learn how to use this tool to draw in the same way [TS]

  that you learn how to use in the leg while pastels vs oil paid Services [TS]

  acrylics or anything like that but bottom line is I feel like this could [TS]

  this could could be used to very easily be used by someone to do their work as [TS]

  an artist because it is so close to in terms of responsiveness you know the [TS]

  real pencil it so much closer than all the things I've used in the past I have [TS]

  heard from actual artist even the people are using the top of the line current [TS]

  generation tablet type things that it's pretty good at either better than or at [TS]

  least as good as the existing tablet technology so good job for Apple and its [TS]

  first try [TS]

  alright its first right not counting the new and once again for new number desk [TS]

  you feel bad when I say this first try not to noon doing really good pen input [TS]

  for us but it also depends [TS]

  the pencil feels really nice like it doesn't cramp your hand while you're [TS]

  using it which is great it is very comfortable and before when I was using [TS]

  the iPad pro I felt the weight of the iPad perot all the time without the [TS]

  pencil so I was sitting with a we are watching movies I tried to read with it [TS]

  some people think that that's awesome [TS]

  the reading experience is really great I found it [TS]

  it awful on the iPad pro it is way too big but when I was getting with the [TS]

  pencil I the way it just kind of disappeared and I kind of didn't notice [TS]

  it and it felt so natural and great to have this really big screen so my [TS]

  experience with the iPad throw itself without the pencil was a disaster and I [TS]

  i kno wasn't sure I even wanted it to keep it and I didn't I played with it [TS]

  for a few hours and then I kinda left it on the table you know I didn't I wasn't [TS]

  interested in using it any further than that because it felt just too heavy too [TS]

  big too much stuff going on or too little stuff with the home screen icon I [TS]

  end but as soon as I got the pencil it has been in my lap every free moment [TS]

  that I can possibly find do not subscribe to any magazines like the [TS]

  digital or otherwise I think magazines like you know I don't know I was [TS]

  described to Martha Stewart's magazine actually but she filled it all up with [TS]

  ads like her real magazine and now it's horrible to read and the ads move on the [TS]

  digital ones though it was worth it that's a no I don't I tried to read some [TS]

  did some didn't really slow so I tend to prefer the paper ones my wife read some [TS]

  magazines on her iPad she still thinks you are many to get a full size one and [TS]

  I can imagine the best application as I'd like comic books like that for a big [TS]

  gigantic iPad would be magazines with big big illustrations or photos like a [TS]

  photography magazine nature magazine fashion magazine a car magazine like I [TS]

  could see those being amazing but I mean when I read romance novels I really [TS]

  don't want that very large and visible to everyone in the way you can think [TS]

  about it for the iPad Pro for reading is if you would [TS]

  could imagine yourself comfortably reading a paper book of that size is [TS]

  great for the soul of the magazines that paper magazines are especially the very [TS]

  large ones like magazine before they get made it crappy but anyway you know I [TS]

  don't have big bogus these days but there are magazines that are very large [TS]

  and it's a sure I can do that but novels are paper books paperback size usually [TS]

  even hardcovers [TS]

  are not as big as the iPad pro in most cases most of paperbacks that I myself [TS]

  even the biggest ones I have up here are more or less for iPad air two sides not [TS]

  iPad process so it is a little over sized but others have last week the [TS]

  whole ideas maybe not for reading novels or anything you can have other stuff on [TS]

  the screen at the same time so you can bounce back and forth between Twitter [TS]

  and flipping through the latest issue of you know car driver or whatever and [TS]

  that's the general theme that that we found so far the iPad perot is like it's [TS]

  really good for certain things but that is it doesn't overlap completely with [TS]

  what the smaller iPads are really good at like you would think that that the [TS]

  what that what the iPad probe agree that would be a strict superset and where it [TS]

  would include everything the small ones are good at plus also some new stuff and [TS]

  I don't that's actually the case and that's ok you know it in the same way [TS]

  that like a 17 inch MacBook Pro may rest in peace is not great at everything you [TS]

  want a laptop to be too to be four you know if you want to be using it on a [TS]

  plane or if you want to carry it around the time 17 inch MacBook Pro is not that [TS]

  great for that that doesn't mean that the entire MacBook Pro line has to be [TS]

  small thin and light you know so now we're reaching the point with the iPad [TS]

  lineup that it has substantial differentiation between the models now [TS]

  and that's okay you can't just be sure that if you like one of the iPad's you [TS]

  can't be sure that the next one up will be better in every way for you to if if [TS]

  you work to do to your parents house for a few days would you bring it with you a [TS]

  really good question probably not because I don't have time to sit and get [TS]

  or draw or paint anything so I never brought my painting supplies there even [TS]

  though I have travel ones so probably not but I would bring my regular size [TS]

  iPad because sometimes I do like to read when I'm [TS]

  they're like during naps their evening or out of town but so so no probably [TS]

  wouldn't because this really pick two and the internet connections of the [TS]

  great I'm assuming since you wouldn't bring it to mom and dads that you [TS]

  probably wouldn't bring it on like a trip or something like that like let's [TS]

  say you know tested as European delivery which I understand makes no sense and [TS]

  you guys maybe all of us go again would you bring this on that sort of a trip [TS]

  now I wouldn't I wouldn't because I'm not a digital artist I'm just now [TS]

  learning and getting interested in trying to do it because it is just like [TS]

  john was saying it's very different holding a stylist to a screen and trying [TS]

  to get it to mimic [TS]

  moving or a brush with bristles that are dynamic and move-in swirl translating [TS]

  that if they if that's what you want to do is you want to paint something [TS]

  satisfying that doesn't happen on the iPad but if you want to do something [TS]

  create a digital piece of art which I find is is just like another medium [TS]

  until you know yet paint you have pencil you have digital are like it's just [TS]

  another way to do it and there is another set of skills that you need to [TS]

  learn and develop so if I got into that then yeah I would see myself carrying [TS]

  this with me to accomplish that task if I want to create a digital Journal of a [TS]

  trip I was going on but as of right now no because I'm just not enough I'm not [TS]

  skilled enough but I can definitely see a place for it for other people but for [TS]

  me it's it's just too big a digital journals like that that is a thing that [TS]

  people should aspire to make the iPad probe into a good tool for alleged terms [TS]

  of people some people do this as a people don't like to like a while you're [TS]

  on the trip so you're going on a trip to Europe while you there at like at the [TS]

  end of each day that you take the photos off your camera put them right into your [TS]

  iPad 4 with the USB port that will talk about it a little bit maybe use the [TS]

  various applications available on the iPad pro to compose it a cool in a web [TS]

  page or slide show or a movie or something you can share with everybody [TS]

  else in at the end of each day you would send out to your family or whoever is [TS]

  interested [TS]

  here's how are you know second day in italy was right or just even just to be [TS]

  working on it so that by the time you come home from the trip you have [TS]

  everything sort of assembled together into whatever form that you decide you [TS]

  want to share your trip with a series of pictures or a slide show or a movie or a [TS]

  web page with a bunch of pictures and blog post all the type of things that we [TS]

  all know that we can do with computers and websites a lot of I think the [TS]

  existing image of the iPad in most people's mind and then the reality for [TS]

  most people other than maybe she is that the best way to synthesize all these [TS]

  different things [TS]

  photos video text web stuff you know [TS]

  emailing people compiling all that information [TS]

  the best way to do that is still on a Mac and I see no reason the iPad pro [TS]

  can't be as good or better at almost all those things especially with the stylist [TS]

  in but if you want to add take pictures like a magic arranging pictures in a lot [TS]

  like an application let you sort of vilification album where you could hand [TS]

  right underneath the things little captions in the more personal if you see [TS]

  me running than typing in captions for things and being able to touch things [TS]

  and drag things around as if they were actually photos in a real scrapbooking [TS]

  stuff they had pro- be perfect for that but that it that's only promise at this [TS]

  point I'm sure their applications that do this but like bringing it all [TS]

  together [TS]

  touch stylus photography importing multiple applications working on a [TS]

  single thing and then sharing out everybody I don't think we're there yet [TS]

  but I totally think we could be an iPad pro would be the perfect device for that [TS]

  the others do doubt that the iPad Pro will make that experience way better for [TS]

  everyone anyone who really likes doing that is already kind of doing that on a [TS]

  laptop so you I feel like the people who are committed to doing that kind of [TS]

  thing that work on the go vacation journaling or you know scrapbooking and [TS]

  sending it out to family it's going to open up to a lot more people with the [TS]

  iPad because it becomes way more accessible but it's again it's another [TS]

  thing you have to be into doing I felt you know for me in the end of you know [TS]

  in the evening the stuff when I'm on vacation and doing stuff I kind of just [TS]

  want to read Twitter put my own photo on Instagram [TS]

  move on you know like committing to all of that work while on vacation I think [TS]

  takes a certain type of person and that person that's going to really grab hold [TS]

  of this kind of device and run with it the best kind of technology actually [TS]

  changes habits little bit so a lot of us for not having people who made family [TS]

  movies of anything but when I movie came out and it made it simple and fun to [TS]

  make a quick little movie even in turn downtown me how about a movie is not [TS]

  simple and it is not find every christmas is like iMovie stress how in [TS]

  this household I make a Christmas movie every year with a stop motion video of [TS]

  us unwrapping gifts and stuff and it is held every time and am also very upset [TS]

  that there aren't any new themes ever ever ever ever get my point is that that [TS]

  those applications down applications made people who would never even [TS]

  consider doing that [TS]

  tried at least once a whole bunch of people tried it and we're more or less [TS]

  successful and some percentage ratio 50% or whatever people who did not suddenly [TS]

  become people who make videos for every occasion their life but they did it [TS]

  maybe once maybe twice right because the application suddenly made it possible it [TS]

  wasn't like well I can't make a video of my family all I can do is shoot the [TS]

  video record to my little you know VHS are many TV or whatever and then we can [TS]

  all watch it from start to end its interminable but I'm never gonna edit [TS]

  this video is another video editor and the early days of the iLife suite made [TS]

  it so that regular people who are never considered his video editors suddenly [TS]

  had a tool in their house that they could use to edit a little video and try [TS]

  to find it really difficult and you make crappy videos but it did it once to [TS]

  twice and I feel like the iPad perot would stop putting everything could take [TS]

  people who would never in a million years go through all the work to do it [TS]

  on a laptop and know how to synthesize all that stuff and make it that there's [TS]

  one or two good applications the iPad robust our support maybe someone who [TS]

  isn't one of those people who makes at the end of every vacation day brings [TS]

  their I pepper with them and tried it once and sends out a nice things like [TS]

  that so I'm talking about I could sit small stakes but technology can [TS]

  sort of like lower the barrier to entry to the point where people who are never [TS]

  going to be serious about it still will like dabble for a second or two and find [TS]

  out yet there still isn't for me but had me this cool thing out of it and that's [TS]

  exactly how I feel now about the digital art before I never even considered ever [TS]

  ever ever trying to do anything digital and because this thing kind of appeared [TS]

  and Marco buys everything so it things appear it peaked my interest into trying [TS]

  this meaning that I've never would have tried before because I'm not gonna go [TS]

  out and purchase the tablet and purchased you know even though I do have [TS]

  a table we have one of those guys we have everything but we've had a Wacom [TS]

  tablet sitting in the closet for about five years I try to do anything it was [TS]

  awful so for me but I'm not gonna go out and get a program and learn it but with [TS]

  this it just feels so accessible and attainable to learn how to do at least a [TS]

  base level of of this kind of thing so I Pad Pro ultimate at home iPad yes at [TS]

  home might add me I would even say also like you know it's a little bit this [TS]

  last week to Buddha my my father time playing with that just reinforces this I [TS]

  think it's the kind of thing where if you were already using an iPad for [TS]

  productivity kind of work then this will probably be even better for you you know [TS]

  if you if you are already doing like email and documents and spreadsheets and [TS]

  and stuff like that in on an iPad before then this will probably be an [TS]

  improvement but it is it is it is kind of like a laptop in that way like it if [TS]

  it has replaced your laptop or you know or if it is almost replace your laptop [TS]

  already before you had an iPad pro then yes this is probably the device for you [TS]

  or if you have some of these like you know nice creative uses if you plan to [TS]

  use the pencil if if you could make use of such a thing [TS]

  this is also gonna be amazing for you if you are currently using an iPad with a [TS]

  keyboard and you want a better larger keyboard this will probably meeting for [TS]

  you as well we haven't we don't have the keyboard so we can really say how good [TS]

  they are many people [TS]

  already but if you if you're using your iPad primarily for content consumption [TS]

  or if you're like me and you can't quite figure out when to use your iPad for the [TS]

  most part then it's more of a mixed bag it's it's not a guarantee this will be [TS]

  better for you and it isn't a guarantee that that you would date you would be [TS]

  happy with it you got it so that is still up in the air but I will say that [TS]

  for the things that is good at like that pen input it is it is so good that like [TS]

  for me as as a long time [TS]

  iPad skeptic and just kind of not having much use for my iPad's I want a reason [TS]

  to use it I i actually and motivated to try to use it and it really into it [TS]

  because using the pencil is just so damn fun I won't ask that to Casey because if [TS]

  you're if you're the guy here who says he does not do art stuff right and I [TS]

  cracked John does a little bit I know market is a little bit he's a liar and a [TS]

  no idea but for you does this entry cue to start possibly playing around and [TS]

  seeing if you want to learn how to draw and to start that learning on the iPad I [TS]

  don't think so I mean to be fair I've only played at the pencil like I said [TS]

  for him editor to it was not very much at all and I thought it was neat but it [TS]

  struck me as the sort of thing that I would think this is really need for a [TS]

  week or two and then I'd probably never look at it again now who knows maybe in [TS]

  a week or two I would get bit by the art bug if you will and then I would never [TS]

  put it down but my guess is I would think shiny new need for a week maybe [TS]

  two and then I would just never look never looked back and I wish I wish I [TS]

  could do it somebody had asked TIFF have a photography work and I think this is [TS]

  this is worth touching on briefly would you use it for photography is so why if [TS]

  not why not I guess right now not because the way I added my photos it's [TS]

  very very heavy in Photoshop [TS]

  and the I feel like just the power and the hardware needed to run the Photoshop [TS]

  that I like to run when I get my photos is just not there on the iPad I could [TS]

  see it because if if it end if they end of translating onto the iPad with the [TS]

  touch interface it might be interesting to do but I don't know the precision of [TS]

  some of the Photoshop actions that I do really probably would not translate that [TS]

  gray and for me I have to edit photos if anyone else is out there who is a [TS]

  photographer or edit photos you know that if you use a different screen for [TS]

  editing your photos not screen that you have calibrated with a printer that you [TS]

  use or they are used to working with you can move photos from one device to [TS]

  another and the colors will be all wrong that you have worked on so you could sit [TS]

  and you can work on a picture for you know twenty minutes if you're traveling [TS]

  at all over the place in putting filters on and taking them off like I do like an [TS]

  insane person because I'm crazy but if you do that you would have no one device [TS]

  and you put it on another and then all of a sudden it's not what you wanted it [TS]

  to be which that frustration exist when I get for voters to clients and they [TS]

  don't have the right color but I've found a way to fix that anyway but it's [TS]

  just it's not right now I right now it's not accessible on the the level that i'm [TS]

  i'm playing with here and I think that a lot of other people feel that too but if [TS]

  you're just doing you know you're moving some sliders around which the majority [TS]

  of our family photos that's all that it needs then it is pretty accessible but I [TS]

  don't like having my photos into places where we actually have something of a [TS]

  generous about that there was this thing and Macworld [TS]

  about the display quality color accuracy of the iPad pro vs the surface Pro for [TS]

  and other things and I've ever didn't come out that wellness test not that [TS]

  there's no bad screen cities are all good screens but the 704 edged out and [TS]

  forget but the company is that does this [TS]

  the test all the display is just a mate I believe historically Apple has been [TS]

  weird with with the displays because it's you know that they always displays [TS]

  as those beautiful display of ever put in a blah blah blah like they always say [TS]

  they're great they don't tend to differentiate but whenever anyone does [TS]

  any actual testing with the color meter some models of devices have super [TS]

  accurate displays and some have not so accurate ones and it doesn't follow any [TS]

  particular lines like I think they were saying like the best screen Apple had [TS]

  ever put on was like I'm one of the many is there something yet at the most [TS]

  recent iPad Mini Mini for ya so they're all pretty good but you know but there [TS]

  is enough variance that would be saying is surely it's not just like that you [TS]

  know even equally good they can be different than a calibrated but then [TS]

  some cases just like the screen can display the same range of colours at [TS]

  that screen Canzano Amanda calibrations ever gonna make them look the same same [TS]

  it's also interesting that they have the nice TCPIP 310 bit screens on the on the [TS]

  new iMacs but that has that didn't make it into the iPad pro I wonder and even [TS]

  support standard colors and that's one of the reasons why but it'd be [TS]

  interesting to see if and when that gets added to iOS that could really help as [TS]

  well yeah it's not that I Mac Pro but it's got the good screen but the iPad [TS]

  pro not something I mean obviously have different strengths or handheld device [TS]

  like who knows what the requirements are you know that extra little bit of color [TS]

  accuracy and ended 10 been arranged everything maybe it's just not feasible [TS]

  at all in a handheld battery-powered device yet again will be nice though but [TS]

  anyway or any other questions for 240 just in general terms like thumbs up [TS]

  yeah yeah I really like it and I think that I'm going to develop liking it even [TS]

  more because as I get better [TS]

  the you know doing the digital art thing that I think I think it's going to [TS]

  become more and more useful as a another tool of hobby I think you know it's not [TS]

  my profession at all so it's it's very much a hobby tool but it's it's pretty [TS]

  darn fun one also my thanks for coming on sharing with us and thanks for having [TS]

  me guys are found a spot for this week is automatic automatic is it connected [TS]

  car adapter that plugs into your car's diagnostic port and integrated over 20 [TS]

  different apps plus their own apt to give you tons of functionality and a [TS]

  better driving experience go to automatic home / ATP to see for yourself [TS]

  get 20% off now you can check your check engine light if if you have any kind of [TS]

  engine error code automatic will explain to you in plain English what is going on [TS]

  and certain area code you can just pick something and then automatically [TS]

  actually clear the warning after you fixed it also gives you a lot of trips [TS]

  he takes who you can you can track things for business if you need to log [TS]

  your miles your business or if you're curious about your your gas mileage fuel [TS]

  efficiency can help you track all of that you know track your parking [TS]

  location you never lose your car and if you if you need help in an emergency if [TS]

  you have an accident [TS]

  automatic can automatically call the emergency services for you in an [TS]

  accident that's really really great benefits here now they also recently [TS]

  launched apps and a whole SDK so if you get automatic com slash at you can [TS]

  browse they have over 20 a so far adding more all the time you can use your card [TS]

  data and all kinds of new ways one of the biggest ones is they have paired [TS]

  with if this than that I have TTT however the pronounced as you can you [TS]

  can build recipes in if this than that based on your driving behavior and [TS]

  driving events and so we can do things like when I'm close to home in the car [TS]

  use my nest thermostat to automatically turn the air conditioning on so when I [TS]

  get home is nice and cool things like that you can really do amazing things [TS]

  with some of these out things like FreshBooks integration pebble Smart [TS]

  Watch integration all certainty that you can even send euros in the yo app which [TS]

  is a real thing so they've launched developer platform and you can go check [TS]

  out today if you're a developer [TS]

  developer still go check out the apps automatic can do lots of great things [TS]

  now you can get automatic normally it's a hundred bucks it's a great deal of [TS]

  hundred bucks but using our code are match.com / ATP you will get 20% off so [TS]

  it's only 80 bucks and that is a one-time charge there is no monthly fee [TS]

  to use the service nothing like that it is one time no subscription no recurring [TS]

  payments one time just 80 bucks with that link on match.com / ATP you get [TS]

  free shipping and 45 day return policy [TS]

  totally risk free check it out today are mac.com / ATP thanks a lot to automatic [TS]

  response show once again make users more about the iPad pro I believe for now we [TS]

  can talk about the USB thing but I can stay at least we have to get more info [TS]

  about the bottom line is that the iPad Pro is definitely the device for you [TS]

  want to have a speedy way to shove stuff into it and Apple has said that there is [TS]

  going to be able to do that with usb3 speeds is there really a lot of emotion [TS]

  behind tethered over the cable transfer of files to iOS devices these days [TS]

  imagine it's imagine it's all cameras right like if you can connect your [TS]

  camera directly to your yes you do it wirelessly if you wanted but if you [TS]

  connect your camera or some other card reader thing directly to your iPad then [TS]

  you could go on the road with just the iPad and the camera and do some useful [TS]

  work that's true that actually and you know I might use it for that I mean [TS]

  there are some trips where I bring my laptop now go to a conference I bring my [TS]

  laptop but I really don't usually need it for any kind of laptop a function [TS]

  that I can't serve just as well buy my iPhone or an iPad so you know I could [TS]

  see the value in having that they've they've had ever since the first iPad is [TS]

  sold the camera connection kit which has even been able to be in St card reader [TS]

  or a USB port which you can use the plugin also decreased if you think about [TS]

  but a surprising amount of driverless USB peripherals work on iPads with a [TS]

  camera connection kit and some even work on iPhones anyway so I could see that [TS]

  being being possible because the camera connection kit is is a [TS]

  fairly rarely sold accessory as far as I know that they've never seem to put a [TS]

  whole lot of effort into the the process and the capabilities of importing photos [TS]

  off the camera card into the photos Apple iPads so I don't know how how well [TS]

  it would work in practice I haven't try it next week and how it works and I also [TS]

  wouldn't expect you to do very well may 14 megapixel raw files that that's why [TS]

  usb3 speeds like that's the big thing lighting part mysteriously not those [TS]

  speeds and it's kind of a pain if you have taken that files and now with the [TS]

  iPad pro this part is capable I don't know how yet if they're not yet but it [TS]

  will be capable of USB 3 speeds and so that would really help I mean generally [TS]

  when it comes to light processing raw photos on something like an iPad the car [TS]

  is a lemon [TS]

  no I think the processing power of the devices limit because when you're [TS]

  president raw files you have to do the deed the reading and the JPEG conversion [TS]

  on on device it is never done for you and the cameras all have these really [TS]

  specialized image processors to do it in like you know how the apparel optimized [TS]

  way the computers are doing it generally you know on the CPU entirely or maybe [TS]

  with some light GPU help and it's it's a pretty slow process to do large Roy [TS]

  imports so I'm guessing that be much more useful for JPEG shooters or even in [TS]

  the raw + JPEG weirdos like I was briefly but 44 action for people [TS]

  shooting RAW who wanted to let you know a couple of quick imports to show [TS]

  somebody or preview or post to the social network I probably won't be [TS]

  useful for that but I'd love to try between wrong so maybe I'll try I mean I [TS]

  mean this distance thing says the file transfer and then there's the conversion [TS]

  even just for display purposes so if you can make the part where just copies the [TS]

  raw data directly on the card and onto the iPad faster than it gives you more [TS]

  time to spend with your slower CPU doing their own conversion for display anyway [TS]

  even if it's not just for photography the idea the lighting this is an open [TS]

  question is about is licking their back online part was made it like lightning [TS]

  how fast will go why did not use USB why did not change it to you is BC [TS]

  is it even possible to do usb3 speeds over lightning oh no you can't doesn't [TS]

  have enough pins because the usb3 connector has more pins than the [TS]

  contacts that are on the Lightning connector and this link in the show [TS]

  notes from someone who did a lot of you know investigation into lighting part [TS]

  backordered introduced this rainer a broader Hoffs blog and he has come back [TS]

  to talk about the lack of pins and citizen he came down to is that you [TS]

  don't need all the pains of a real USB thing because they have dedicated pins [TS]

  for the USB two speeds and lighting doesn't have to do that again [TS]

  multiplexing it's a look at home not doing USB two speeds or something else [TS]

  but we'll see it I think people who are doing tear downs on the iPad pro said [TS]

  they found two new look like two new connectors inside there so maybe the [TS]

  adapters will have extra contacts I don't know how to work while to wait [TS]

  till these adapters are introducing if they're already out I just haven't seen [TS]

  them yet so there's some fall for next week [TS]

  alright thanks let two or three sponsors this week [TS]

  Squarespace mail route an automatic and we'll see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  it was accidental and Marco [TS]

  I do very much want to talk to you but I think we're better off tonight talking [TS]

  about the iMac that's totally different [TS]

  alright so I'm not my computer to be clear the Mac Pro 2008 Mac Pro still [TS]

  here I'm speaking into it right now this is a replacement for my wife's 2011 [TS]

  MacBook Air which was getting long in the tooth in our photos couldn't fit [TS]

  anymore so we had an external SSD but it was only fire 800 and I was part of the [TS]

  reason I thought photos might have been slow and anyway [TS]

  done big fancy new iMac after hearing Marco report good things about his 2709 [TS]

  action as the new from your fancy a model with even nicer screen and she [TS]

  knows that she just wanted I magnin on freeway even as he took the MacBook Air [TS]

  how the room on a podcast so she could so use a computer without being here but [TS]

  they might still have the MacBook Air is just moved over to the other desperate [TS]

  using a Mac and like me a few things for me to report that I never really spent [TS]

  any time with markers I saw it and the ones in Astoria they've seen the [TS]

  temporary spending time with them from mine I decided to not max out the RAM I [TS]

  didn't do too much research into this but I just saw in the in the store [TS]

  configurator it said 16 gigs for like two dams and 32 easier for a pic 16 [TS]

  figuring that despite Mr Dempsey and up to 32 later that's not true don't tell [TS]

  me until four years from now when I find out what I should probably fine I got [TS]

  the biggest fastest GPU because whatever like I was going to buy the YouTube [TS]

  video fingers crossed this will actually not be something to do my kids can now [TS]

  play it by now seeing minecraft at non disgusting frame rates and I think I'm [TS]

  more impressed than they are but I think at the same time they're never going to [TS]

  use the plate on a MacBook Air again I don't blame them and I got the big [TS]

  terabyte St because I really want to fit everything on this thing instead of [TS]

  external drive which I still have but it's an enclosure that expire 800 so I [TS]

  also had two by the way by a lightning to Thunderbolt to firewire 800 out there [TS]

  so I could connect my chain of firewire 800 drives and everything but it's mine [TS]

  I'll have USB 3 hard drive that I can finally connect to actually use the [TS]

  report and I was one of the first things I noticed about this was I have a bus [TS]

  powered one terabyte like 2.5 inch USB 3 drive for a while and I decided I'm [TS]

  going to use this I was used as the clone drive for this year 10 a super [TS]

  duper clones and I kept finding that when the Mac would go to sleep and wake [TS]

  back up it would say this disc was not ejected properly bubble blower like it [TS]

  was unmounting itself somewhere along the line and that usually means I like [TS]

  it's being under powered by the bus and it's just you know not able to maintain [TS]

  the connection but then it comes back I don't understand it because it's not [TS]

  connected to a hub is directly connected to the computer and I have never had [TS]

  that problem than any other computers are connected this to but then again I [TS]

  haven't had it connected to other computers for really long period of time [TS]

  so I know if I have a broken drive if the ports in the back of the USB the [TS]

  iMac can supply enough power for this thing whatever it is that kind of [TS]

  annoyed me but i wanna talk about the thickness of external peripherals and [TS]

  right now Allen I only connected when I wanna do a clone which is a reasonable [TS]

  solution I suppose although I have a whole their drive at the end of the fire [TS]

  and change to do if you want to have an enclosure that I have bought like three [TS]

  of them now it's something like twelve dollars at City usb3 single disc 2.5 [TS]

  inch closer and its I had one of them would would do the exact same thing when [TS]

  it was on a really freaky USB hub that I used to have and so far this this [TS]

  enclosure to them that I bought have been perfect and for $12 it's been just [TS]

  as good as like the expensive ones I've gotten from OWC and stuff in the past [TS]

  that's what I had to do that I never considered because I knew that would [TS]

  work but even direct connect them a closely so I don't know anyway that's [TS]

  the main thing I noticed about this iMac off the bat [TS]

  is that the fan in all states it slowly noisier than I thought it would be [TS]

  forced to really even in the most I don't like nothing is happening on the [TS]

  computer I i download video that shows me the fan rpm like the lowest possible [TS]

  rpm I can still hear it more than I could hear the fan on the MacBook Air [TS]

  for two reasons one the MacBook Air was like back a little bit farther like it [TS]

  was kind of behind the monitor and to the left and to win the MacBook Air fan [TS]

  is like doing nothing [TS]

  it is a really quiet now the flip side of that is that you do anything to the [TS]

  MacBook Air the fan goes up to Super you know they can possibly go and sounds [TS]

  like a terrible angry hair dryer right so when iMac you can do way more before [TS]

  the fans start spinning up so overall it's probably benefit but every time I [TS]

  sit in front of a computer I keep thinking that the hard drives on cause I [TS]

  have something for guard that's going to this thing from a different backups and [TS]

  I don't leave them on all the time like actually unmount them and turn them off [TS]

  and you know like a hard drive and spinning make some noise mechanical hard [TS]

  drive I keep thinking that while if one of the drives on the nose just stupid [TS]

  fans think anybody thought my computer [TS]

  sign it's probably still choir than my 2008 Mac Pro though maybe not going that [TS]

  grows on the ground in early here that that is my one mild disappointment [TS]

  everything else about it is great screen looks great I don't even mind that weird [TS]

  looks actually kinda cool but they do see it from the edge sometimes for a [TS]

  while I kept thinking that the hinge was loose because it kept going to lay down [TS]

  this is my wife she could still take it down the night fighting over what the [TS]

  correct position is the screen but the more obvious a different types their [TS]

  photos is faster and is much faster than it was in my car and drive it is still [TS]

  slow and is still weird and buggy when I when I brought the library over you know [TS]

  how to top it off my external drive that took forever and throws really weird [TS]

  about I copied every single file over and photos was like I have sixty five [TS]

  thousand files to important like no you don't they're all there and so had to [TS]

  wait for like three days for it to convince himself that had all the files [TS]

  on it at some point it was like you don't [TS]

  have enough disk space I'm like how I don't have it you know I have plenty of [TS]

  space I'm not even like a quarter filled in this terabyte drive so photos is [TS]

  weird and does weird things and scared he sometimes but in the end I just let [TS]

  it stew for a long time it was fine I still haven't removed my most recent [TS]

  backup of my otha library so if this thing is lying to me I still have [TS]

  everything as like you know when I got the new iMac but that was a little [TS]

  tricky and boy copying the photo library in the Finder that took so long and was [TS]

  so terrifying [TS]

  there are so many files involved with that in the Finder gives you a little [TS]

  bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

  bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

  he wasn't half hour maybe with more than our preparing to copy not going to copy [TS]

  it's preparing to copy it's gotta count all the files and I don't know what it's [TS]

  doing to me it's free flying to make sure the spaces available like I should [TS]

  use the CPK man just start chopping things what do you like to use rsync for [TS]

  crying out loud [TS]

  flags on these things that make up the other metadata like no I have no idea [TS]

  what I was doing with the 411 be used to find it eventually did work remember I'm [TS]

  copping from as a city to SSD here so it's you know it's hot as fire r800 to [TS]

  internal SSD is not as a waiver spinning disk to send the heads-up play seeking [TS]

  all over there was terrifying it actually did work so yeah so far so good [TS]

  another file thing I can put this in here I spent like three days fighting [TS]

  with this damn computer that felt like I was going back in time there was 10 Time [TS]

  Machine spotlight we're just not happy time machine seemed happy in the [TS]

  beginning because it's like oh you know my name I could do the same as it was [TS]

  before I did migration as a sense like I told you this descriptor machines like [TS]

  you only get inherit the backups from the previous thing and I did because [TS]

  like basically that was you know I copy the hard drive over there yes please [TS]

  inherit the backup so I don't lose all my previous versions so it starts [TS]

  backing up to this thing and I told us to do that and I noticed that like [TS]

  spotlight in Time Machine we're just not ever finishing what they're supposed to [TS]

  be doing spotlight was always the you know seemingly indexing in the console [TS]

  is filling up with tons of like Mt worker errors and stuff like that and [TS]

  Time Machine would never actually complete a backup ever ever ever after [TS]

  several days this I spent a long time staring at the council and cooling for [TS]

  things and finding all these weird obscure errors and people are like oh [TS]

  just nuclear spotlight star and you know I did all the things you can imagine [TS]

  doing with them to you till like totally removing a thing disabling spotlight [TS]

  trying to let spotlight go first trying to buy time machine go first I don't [TS]

  know what their problem was but they were totally wage and neither one of [TS]

  them [TS]

  spotlight indexing when I complete in time she will not complete and I was [TS]

  very refreshing because I really can't basically sign off on the computer is [TS]

  ready for use until time machine is running really care that much about [TS]

  spotlight so I spent many days fighting with that and googling [TS]

  and eventually got the thing to go through what the hell was I don't [TS]

  remember what the problem was one of those things where it's not like there [TS]

  was no aha moment I you know if if you like Google for all these error messages [TS]

  you find a million hits on Apple's discussion boards of people the same [TS]

  problem sometimes they're benign sometimes people say list of things that [TS]

  for me nothing I found help me fix it eventually I just had to go to the old [TS]

  school kinda bugging room using like lsof and stuff to figure out who the [TS]

  hell has these files open and are they files that I can even delete or re- copy [TS]

  one of the solutions involved me deleting my old user account that had on [TS]

  that machine because spotlight isn't as indexing the files of the logged in user [TS]

  its indexing the files on by all the different users at the same time and [TS]

  some of the counselors you're saying you're not from the counter logged into [TS]

  and like 10 make sure you log into every account update the clock cloud stuff and [TS]

  I did that it didn't help the boy was one of the problems where every solution [TS]

  you find you're excited this is gonna be the thing that makes it and it doesn't [TS]

  but I did them up in a way I deleted my account from there which took with it a [TS]

  lot of files that apparently of the various spotlight metadata diamond [TS]

  importe things I can be working in the US where choking on badly and that led [TS]

  to progress and eventually spotlight and text anyone spotlight in next time [TS]

  machine worked and I just made me think that there's no way in hell that anybody [TS]

  could have successfully fix this if they didn't have the if they want a person [TS]

  who's willing to spend literally three days just googling and and cursing you [TS]

  googling and cursing and part of it is probably because like you know this is [TS]

  my gracious assistant and it's like an old account that maybe like had a bunch [TS]

  of weird crafty things in it from a long time ago but you know we're going to see [TS]

  you should just gonna clean so this is the first time I Gration assist system [TS]

  has steered me wrong and really I just blame it was followed her timesheet [TS]

  about for just not being more about us find their files up also isn't it weird [TS]

  that you can import their car causing AMD worker to crash just just move on [TS]

  just you know power through it like then don't index those but if an ironing [TS]

  understand why spotlighting time machines seem to Wed each other in this [TS]

  way because time machine should work without spotlight and vice versa but [TS]

  period so that was a bad sort of first couple days experience but eventually we [TS]

  did get into a steady state and now I have mounting back up so I had to [TS]

  finally expand my back up some nice analogy which by the way was nice and [TS]

  easy because I just got the added you know they don't have trouble reading had [TS]

  another drive to think but I just converted from the raid 1 raid 5 and so [TS]

  from two discs its rate and so got more space that all worked out so for the fan [TS]

  noise things going better for a second cause I my iMac is is almost inaudible [TS]

  and and the same is almost inaudible when it's when it's not doing that much [TS]

  and and really under any load accept a sustained heavy lift if I Hanbury or [TS]

  asked if his a-game running then you will hear the fans but in every other [TS]

  time I don't hear the fans at all so I'm curious now of course if you know if you [TS]

  had something like I start menu's installed by did I install the thing to [TS]

  see their family at 1200 rpm I can hear ok that's good that's as you say mine is [TS]

  idling at 1200 and is that loud like it's it's not a loud fan is just not [TS]

  inaudible [TS]

  I mean I'm surprised in a room that that that includes a Mac Pro is one thing we [TS]

  notice like if I went from two macros 22 IMAX and when you would turn off the [TS]

  iMac of them in the Mac Pro leaving the iMac behind it was clear as daylight [TS]

  when we only had one and one for like a day or two [TS]

  the difference was clear as day like that the the Mac Pro was so we always [TS]

  thought was quiet relatively speaking but it's so easily would mask the noise [TS]

  of the iMac yeah my macros asleep most of the time it does the closest thing to [TS]

  the iMac is the ps4 but it's also a sleep unless I was playing but really I [TS]

  can only hear that Mike when I'm sitting in front but that's one who knows me [TS]

  that sound oh it's a stupid again not loud at all but I just feel like it [TS]

  should be like the MacBook Air with literally inaudible when the computer is [TS]

  idle and you could hear it at all that was like I was grinding in the back row [TS]

  doing something like that and this is close to inaudible but not so it's not [TS]

  that big of a deal but it'd be nice if you just like they just need to put an [TS]

  even bigger lower rpms and it's not like you don't have room space to spread out [TS]

  big leave the fan blades turning it like you know hundred rpm go for it you can [TS]

  have it as you said you liked the thin edge you see from the side sometimes [TS]

  that's why that's why we can't have nice things done that we can have been quiet [TS]

  fans even with the thin and there's enough room for like a frisbee in their [TS]

  big screen and speaking that so like her computer is always the one that we had [TS]

  not sleeping cuz it was plugged into AC all the time and I was going to have one [TS]

  here that the wake all the time to sell you to go for a lot of that rolled her [TS]

  computer is always awake and with the iMac it was weird to see Nos 10 I don't [TS]

  know this is a new development of the handout IMAX for a while but like with a [TS]

  built-in screen computer there's not separate settings for display sleeping [TS]

  apparently there's one saying that says do you want me to prevent the computer [TS]

  from going to sleep when the display sleeps and there's one slide it says [TS]

  when should the display go to sleep I would like to say let's play go to [TS]

  sleeps 10 minutes computer go to sleep on our like you used to back in the [TS]

  olden days and how I can on my Mac Mac Pro other but you can tell you that the [TS]

  check box and I need to just looking to the peerless settings just changes [TS]

  though I wanted you can also you can set a hot corner to do immediate display [TS]

  sleep yeah and you just have a doubt I know it's just like I'm using the [TS]

  sliders that the way they used to be and I'm also known as some spooky behavior [TS]

  arcade like you leave the computer known such a nose doing anything and display [TS]

  will go off and whether it sleeping or not you come back a little later in this [TS]

  label beyond I've been sitting in the room I tap and I've been like plain [TS]

  destiny outlook over the screen turns unlike you turning on and you know wait [TS]

  for network access is off no weird USB hubs are attached the console is [TS]

  anything about what the thing is it's like did you wake up or did the screen [TS]

  and sometimes the screen just won't go you know that interval go by 15 mins ago [TS]

  by an ice cream monkey off so I've got my eye and it I'm sleep issues like I [TS]

  don't care cause is based on all the time anyway but you know what's going on [TS]

  there in forever that I know the issue you're talking about I've seen that in [TS]

  the past and other computers but I have never seen that either of our IMAX so I [TS]

  don't think it's a it's an issue with the iMac I think it's an issue with [TS]

  probably so maybe it's that weird USB device [TS]

  maybe maybe it's a plague enclosure the plug is that thing is unplugged so [TS]

  that's not a fair maybe the fire where the fire was just powered off I don't [TS]

  know anyway I gotta figure out how to make this thing happen MCM too much has [TS]

  happened once or twice and then one morning I can dance at the computer [TS]

  screen on so maybe was on all night anyway it's it's behaving now Windows [TS]

  computer can't sleep it's like when you too much chillin nearly 35 like you know [TS]

  your computer has so many windows it just it just keeps can't go to sleep my [TS]

  computer its her computer doesn't have that many things on it is only 50 she's [TS]

  someone does is one of the things that make that he remember when it came time [TS]

  to order this is going to the order configuration thing [TS]

  asked my wife if she wanted which math she wanted or if you want to try to [TS]

  measure trackpad and to my surprise you should she wanted to try to Magic [TS]

  Trackpad because she already had a mouse that you liked and we got the extended [TS]

  keyboard which is still in the box because she like they keep using your [TS]

  old ones that we have an extra now but anyway she picked a magic trackpad and [TS]

  not for me still like it's magic is that maybe I still use the mouse I'm not [TS]

  going to attract bad person so far remains to be seen if she will make the [TS]

  transition she's been trying it and messing around with that but I think if [TS]

  I look over there now I think the mouse is still next to the keyboards I think [TS]

  she liked the measure track that down and uses it and I don't know I can tell [TS]

  when you talk talk talk of the sound different mouse but anyway there's one [TS]

  in the house now and she was a curious enough to try but I don't know if it'll [TS]

  stick [TS]

  stick [TS]

  anyway I don't know how you can edit the beginning of the show good luck to [TS]

  delete everything before right now come on what am I gonna pull out of a [TS]

  clinically cozy cozy discussion was wonderful I don't have a long shot but [TS]

  and beer warmers or Ohio Sorry Sorry Ohio it just doesn't make the cut [TS]

  just let it be known markers party pooper [TS]

  John would you like to tell us about Apple TV catching up on gaming consoles [TS]

  in power [TS]

  sure how much follow up on Apple TV is fine tailing off now but one [TS]

  conversation I saw floating around these past few weeks I forget what prompted it [TS]

  otherwise I would have put the link in here but maybe just people talking about [TS]

  gaming and Apple TV in general and some people like you know the the Apple TV [TS]

  with an AAA it's catching up some gaming consoles and power and gets more [TS]

  powerful than a ps3 [TS]

  maybe not as powerful as for now but the ps4 isn't going to change anytime soon [TS]

  like the s5 is not imminent so if Apple keeps revising the Apple TV at some [TS]

  point the Apple TV could be more powerful than all current generation [TS]

  gaming consoles and I think that's crazy talk there it it starts with the kernel [TS]

  of truth yes that the Apple TV the aids way faster than the old one and I'd even [TS]

  go survive and look into this deeply but just looking at the games you could say [TS]

  sure ps3 power maybe a little bit more probably that's a safe bet has ps3's [TS]

  really old console and again [TS]

  agree that it's not BS for power or Xbox one power but then they extrapolated say [TS]

  but you know this is the eighth but if next year's the 89th and the a10 you [TS]

  know even if it's just a year or two behind the top and phone [TS]

  the idea that iOS devices keep getting faster and game consoles have you know [TS]

  five to seven year life span sometimes even longer so if there is no P S five [TS]

  in their eyes and perhaps just before the PSI overrides the Apple TV will be [TS]

  more powerful and more powerful gaming system and the reason I think that's [TS]

  bunk is not necessarily because Apple couldn't make hardware that is faster [TS]

  than the ps4 because they inevitably will also not perhaps in the time frame [TS]

  before the BS IV comes but just because the Apple TV isn't the iPhone it doesn't [TS]

  get revised every year and even the iPhone even the highest-end iOS device [TS]

  they make the gigantic iPad pro the bill talk about later has only four gigs of [TS]

  ram and the ps4 has eight gigs of ram and you think well you know dramas [TS]

  matters the CPU and GPU will be just as fast when it comes to making games [TS]

  things like RAM [TS]

  and things like hard disk space and stuff like that makes a difference in [TS]

  the ps4 i think is a 500 gig hard drive now many gigs of ram when do you think [TS]

  it's going to be the Apple TV around eventually it will write but will have [TS]

  eight gigs of ram before the P S five is out I find that hard to believe given [TS]

  how frequently Apple updates the Apple TV and and even just given I don't even [TS]

  think the iPhone will have a gig of ram by 10 the DSi comes out the current rate [TS]

  of RAM do so and that's what makes a difference for games with like large [TS]

  open world games with high-resolution textures and all that other stuff so [TS]

  anyone thinking that the Apple TV will eventually be more powerful than the ps4 [TS]

  it will but by that time the TSX probably be out there is also a pretty [TS]

  big difference in thermals between between these kind of systems you know [TS]

  that as we as we see from modern CPU and GPU limitations and designs and progress [TS]

  and everything we're mainly limited by how much we will allow the chips 22 [TS]

  output or how much we can deal with the not putting and that pretty much put a [TS]

  limit on performance that we can get them at any given moment in any given [TS]

  year like in whatever we can do that year that is generally what we're [TS]

  fighting against the first things are AC connected you know that's really need to [TS]

  worry too much about the current draw which is related but you know you can [TS]

  you can match up the current drug much as you want you're plugged into a wall [TS]

  outlet but you still in a little tiny box 200 bucks next year TV hundred bucks [TS]

  your TV with no fan little tiny enclosure that's not even made of metal [TS]

  it's gonna be pretty hard to get you know maybe he tapped out of that you [TS]

  look at the game console and they had these big hot ship these big loud [TS]

  annoying fans especially in their first generation before the due process [TS]

  hearing so when the cs5 comes out there gonna be able to put in some giant big [TS]

  Hot Chip with a big loud fan on it and the Apple TV will still need to be this [TS]

  cheap families box running year or two old iPhone cuts and their and their [TS]

  offset from each other because like could you imagine when the PSD first [TS]

  came out of you that someday they'll be a little black box with no fans and its [TS]

  more powerful than the ps3 you like it out here but here we are [TS]

  but look at the time span [TS]

  its huge gap between the ps3 now so like just family's thing is always going to [TS]

  lag behind the thing with fans by at least a generation in and not like [TS]

  processing power as much as just capacity for large you know games like [TS]

  it [TS]

  having all that RAM is important for putting the big console games on there [TS]

  for the for the big textures and all I know the stuff and if you don't have [TS]

  that Ramdev you have to weigh like the ps3 didn't have a lot to a lot of crap [TS]

  in it [TS]

  part of the reason that the Apple TV can imagine these days it's because ps3 was [TS]

  very strange architecture and relatively ramstein but the ps4 is not RAM starved [TS]

  it's got tons of RAM and it's got tons of hard drive space which is not as fast [TS]

  as an SSD when you're you know freeloading levels and stuff it's fast [TS]

  enough to stream clubs anyway I don't I'm definitely not looking for the Apple [TS]

  TV to catch up and pass the ps4 unless I guess there is no BS five and then wait [TS]

  around until we can get a ps4 in a little box thing but I really think at [TS]

  this point that probably will be a PSI biggest the ps4 is doing pretty well for [TS]

  Sony all things considered [TS]

  alright and you follow up on an infinite times the rate we're going we are going [TS]

  to not have follow-up at all I don't even know what to make of this bloody [TS]

  shame that you can take them to put a lot of stuff in there but it's not [TS]

  really because we're just gonna talk more about that later [TS]

  any fallout you'd like to join you know that is fair enough [TS]

  alright awesome these days before we begin our first batch of this week is [TS]

  Squarespace start building a website today it's where space.com enter offer [TS]

  code ATP at checkout to get 10% off Squarespace [TS]

  beautiful now Squarespace offers you easy what you see is what you get [TS]

  website editing you can make all sorts of stuff it is amazingly capable there's [TS]

  tons of built-in widgets and themes and templates and Paige types in all this [TS]

  amazing built-in functionality all included in every plan that started just [TS]

  eight bucks a month let's face it many of us can make websites on a roof we [TS]

  need to but most of us probably shouldn't most of the time and [TS]

  Squarespace is great for all those times when you probably shouldn't be writing [TS]

  your own CMS [TS]

  to make a website for your kids school or via podcast you need to make a [TS]

  website for yourself or somebody else and you dont wanna be the one supporting [TS]

  it you don't want to be the one dealing with feature request from the client or [TS]

  from yourself or maintenance or dealing with downtime security updates all that [TS]

  stuff they take care of all of that for you all this started just eight bucks a [TS]

  month with a free trial so you don't have to believe me if you don't want to [TS]

  I mean look I'm wrong about a lot of stuff but I'm pretty sure about this but [TS]

  just in case I'm not go check it out for yourself go to scrippsnews.com started [TS]

  trial site you consent with no credit card required you don't have to worry [TS]

  about canceling before they do anything they can't tell you until you tell them [TS]

  to so go try it out to start building a site see how it goes for you next time [TS]

  you need to make a website or you gonna play on now just try to get their first [TS]

  give it an hour or two and see how much you can get done I but you can get most [TS]

  or all of you to get done finished in an hour or two and then you're done and you [TS]

  can go do anything else with your time check it out today [TS]

  square space.com please use offer code ATP get 10% off your first purchase when [TS]

  you sign up [TS]

  Squarespace build a beautiful the Mac App Store had some issues and the last [TS]

  week it was a pretty big disaster in I didn't really know what was going on I [TS]

  i've been really busy and so I have been following twitter is as religiously as I [TS]

  usually do and I saw there was some issues and I didn't think a lot of it [TS]

  because everything seemed to be working on my computer and then all of us to run [TS]

  one password and I was told I couldn't and suddenly the thing I wasn't paying [TS]

  attention to became a lot more real so john wants to tell us what happened [TS]

  well so stop the run from the Mac App Store is DRM encumbered let's say some [TS]

  degree their receipts that the Mac App Store but the application Apple's advice [TS]

  for figuring out on the launch of the application whether Abbas valleys to [TS]

  check those receipts this code that they you know some code samples showing you [TS]

  how to do that [TS]

  but you really do it anyway you want some developers use OpenSSL library at a [TS]

  bundle into their application of it sells an open source thing to check [TS]

  their certificates and their couple problems related as with most disasters [TS]

  not just one thing goes wrong multiples one of the things that went wrong is [TS]

  that Apple updated their certificate for this recede to use a better encryption [TS]

  of a strong encryption they'd been using previously and it just so happens that [TS]

  the OpenSSL library that a lot of applications used to validate their [TS]

  receipts can't handle this new encryption level right so that's one [TS]

  class of things that are wrong side of things that went wrong is the Mac App [TS]

  Store certificate expired and Apple replace it with a new one that is why [TS]

  they had the occasion I think there are places with the new one that had the [TS]

  stronger corruption and as a bug in the Mac App Store where even if a new [TS]

  certificate is issued after the Obama has expired [TS]

  some caching issue locally on the max that makes it not take the new even [TS]

  though the old one expired and so what people were getting was they were trying [TS]

  to launch application and I just one application but some in some cases of [TS]

  advocating for every application they've got from the Mac App Store you would end [TS]

  up getting these dollar boxes save this application is damaged please throw in [TS]

  the trash basically the system telling you that it could invalidate the [TS]

  authenticity is advocating this kind of the system working as designed and like [TS]

  if some malware infected all your applications and Mike turn them in the [TS]

  Trojan horses and stuff you would want to know [TS]

  hey don't you know don't run this application that's messed up the same [TS]

  dialog appears as if the violation machinery says you know like this case [TS]

  the certificate expired and even though Apple had issued a new uneven [TS]

  application might have been able to use that new one to validate that everything [TS]

  was going on the local operating system was telling it [TS]

  know you're trying to use certificate that expired like three days ago so [TS]

  you're on a lot so Apple fix this by downgrading their encryption to the [TS]

  elders and I think so applications version of this out [TS]

  and I don't know what they did to fix the oven to tell people like to reboot [TS]

  and stuff I'm not entirely sure what they did [TS]

  yeah they said they're preparing a software update for iOS tend to prevent [TS]

  the caching issue in the future but I can help people who had this problem [TS]

  last week [TS]

  yeah I mean this this was a disaster on so many levels it it's kind of an [TS]

  embarrassment mean so is the official statement they give which came pretty [TS]

  late six days later they made an official statement and it wasn't even [TS]

  that was at a public statement I think the email developers this thing I did [TS]

  something to developers and they also they also gave a PR statement to sites [TS]

  like I'm more into in a show notes this is a Apple is a lot of things they don't [TS]

  they don't put bad news or reactions to things on their own site you know [TS]

  they'll send the same PR statement to like you know known friendly Apple sites [TS]

  and have them all basically reported an apology behalf for them to the Apple [TS]

  doesn't have to like soil their site with any kind of negative PR so the [TS]

  statement they gave was I think it was a lot of BS and some truth there was a [TS]

  planned event and most users experienced no issues however some use experienced [TS]

  some issues during this change now that because the nature of this problem I [TS]

  think most users that is complete BS the idea that most users experience no [TS]

  issues and only some people had only some problems [TS]

  know how it is there any way that Apple could know the actual answer that [TS]

  because the Apple is not tracking I'm assuming how often we launch [TS]

  applications and stuff so I don't think anyone really knows the scope of this [TS]

  problem I you know I don't know I don't know honestly but but the fact is you [TS]

  know this PR statement is trying to minimize the issue but if you don't know [TS]

  and Apple doesn't [TS]

  know everyone is just guessing based on stories they've heard right I guess [TS]

  that's true I mean I suppose they could know like how many people get the [TS]

  certificate server right i mean they can estimate an estimated from life support [TS]

  load because you can do some math and say if we get X numbers of your calls to [TS]

  this issue that means why people really had this issue you know just based on [TS]

  historically speaking how many people will go to the phones are going to email [TS]

  about a particular issue you can kind of back at the envelope figure out based on [TS]

  previous problems that you did have better metrics on my nose and we're [TS]

  using is like do you know somebody who had this problem with their computer I [TS]

  can say I didn't I actually did encounter the problem of many my [TS]

  computer but then again I tend to avoid buying applications and Mac App Store [TS]

  but I do have some for example slap a broader than a Gap store and I use it [TS]

  every day and I had no problem with it is it because I'm always running it and [TS]

  if you're like if you're running it and the certificate expires in August [TS]

  probably the only to quit and launch it but I'm pretty sure I did clinton lunch [TS]

  during that window in heaven restarted so anyway I had zero problems [TS]

  Casey had a problem some people had tons of problems I had many problems like [TS]

  stories with the show the dialog box like 500 dialog box is popping up on the [TS]

  screen [TS]

  things anyway that the bottom line is that this was a problem that could have [TS]

  potentially affected every single user is never purchased anything in the Mac [TS]

  App Store that and it and it probably affected a lot of them because who you [TS]

  know I maybe I just got lucky but like conceptually speaking this is you don't [TS]

  need a weird set of circumstances to trigger this problem I don't think you [TS]

  just need to have purchase things in a cab store to have your system cache the [TS]

  old city and then to launch them at the new one has been issued a check point at [TS]

  something pretty relevant here [TS]

  slack probably does not do receive validation on lunch because the free app [TS]

  care so the only after receiving outpatient would would have had this [TS]

  problem I'm trying to get the Mac App Store apps I have I guess I have Apple's [TS]

  apps like you know [TS]

  you know pages and all that stuff from Iraq speed and that I tend not to buy [TS]

  the Mac App Store and that's that the second factor in this which is things [TS]

  like this especially for people who have no idea why this happened [TS]

  make them feel worse about the Mac App Store and people who have any clue about [TS]

  the details of the Mac App Store this widely make them avoid it more than they [TS]

  did in the past I am avoiding it for a variety of reasons mostly because [TS]

  they're you know the applications I use even when they were on the negative like [TS]

  BBEdit I never bought the Mac App Store version because it was crippled by Sam [TS]

  boxing because of Apple's rules over have a choice between buying the [TS]

  crippled sandbox version and the non crippled version and another nine [TS]

  crippled version gives more money to the developer by the Niagara provision every [TS]

  time so it's what I've always done if there's any choice the one that and the [TS]

  Mac App Store it's always been like that's convenient you know I don't care [TS]

  that much about it it's not a big deal or it's free like slacker whatever you [TS]

  know it's more convenient than going to direct download it like I would like to [TS]

  have the experience where I just go to one place and see all my apps and auto [TS]

  update them know that is something I'd like those features the Mac App Store [TS]

  but perhaps they really count I'm definitely buying them outside but are [TS]

  people who were more towards the Mac App Store the like you know what the [TS]

  convenience is more important to me than like giving more money a developer and [TS]

  the allegations I use don't suffer many soundbytes any issues and I really love [TS]

  auto-update knows his stuff never mind the most Mac outside for the Mac App [TS]

  Store already using spark or something like that anyway for people who know [TS]

  about these details this is going to make them think twice because they're [TS]

  like before the tradeoff is worth it to me I will buy from the Mac App Store [TS]

  because the convenience is worth it to me for further potential downsides but [TS]

  now they're weighing that can be very versus like you know this day when all [TS]

  your absolute launch and you gotta figure out what the problem is and so [TS]

  this is not good [TS]

  both short-term and long-term for the Mac App Store which is already not a [TS]

  particularly beloved institution as far as developers and tech-savvy users are [TS]

  concerned that's the problem i mean it there's there are so many reasons [TS]

  already why you might want to be hesitant about buying the Mac App Store [TS]

  and why developers might want to be hesitant to be in the Mac App Store and [TS]

  to just to add one more thing the pilot just a really bad [TS]

  and for that and it just seems like you know there is there's a good post by is [TS]

  it is it Michael Tsai and he he he made a post called there's nobody minding the [TS]

  store is basically like you know collecting all these quoted everything [TS]

  and pointing out just like the Mac App Store is just so neglected and it has [TS]

  been since its introduction you know the iOS App Store has its own set of [TS]

  problems but the Mac App Store is so much worse in almost every way [TS]

  the fact that has a bug you know a certificate that's like one of many [TS]

  problems with it that's only the most recent problem with it the application [TS]

  itself the Mac App Store application is a disaster [TS]

  the the sandboxing issues have pushed out tons of good apps Mac after [TS]

  developers I i really feel sorry for the man and if I were launching a Mac App [TS]

  I'm not sure I would put their like if you would have asked me a year ago if I [TS]

  was on a Mac output in the App Store I'd say yeah probably you know what to do [TS]

  with myself distributing it so he appeared in the App Store but today I [TS]

  don't think I would it just seems like it's not worth all of the downsides and [TS]

  costs it really depends if I was doing a Mac App I would say it really depends on [TS]

  what kind of a bad is because if it's a small apt if it's free yepper is an app [TS]

  that you think will never be impacted by Sam boxing and you just don't want to [TS]

  deal with you no corroborating sparkle and putting up your own [TS]

  and point for that and making sure it's up for the updates and doing payment [TS]

  processing yourself and although the stuff that you have to do if you did the [TS]

  direct sales records say you you don't have an existing channel for direct [TS]

  sales esophagus or not established software company or whatever it is [TS]

  definitely convenient to use the Mac App Store but if your app in App that that [TS]

  wasn't true for even one of those things like could buy a potentially be impacted [TS]

  by Sam boxing don't you know don't get the Mac App Store do already have a way [TS]

  to accept money from people I don't need to make up store for that they already [TS]

  know how to incorporate itself auto update and have a robust framework for [TS]

  doing that already have a website that have to keep up with so I can put an end [TS]

  point on for updates [TS]

  than just you know there's no point if you feel like those things that you know [TS]

  I'm not actually mad developers I don't know but part of a part of this whole [TS]

  recent round of Mac App Store stuff in the TechNet circles with developers said [TS]

  reiterating see guys this is why I'm not in the maggot star and users like the [TS]

  dayside thing writing out all the list of all the great Mac apps that are not [TS]

  in the Mac App Store like the Mac App Store even though many people think of [TS]

  it as the only and best and single place to get back software a lot of the Mac [TS]

  software that uses really love love the best Mac software is just not on the Mac [TS]

  App Store and obviously that's not true and I West because it's pretty much all [TS]

  the software and I was on the App Store so it's always been in a comfortable [TS]

  position with the Makassar because there is an alternate we all want there to be [TS]

  an alternative that means the Mac App Store actually has to compete in the [TS]

  same way that the iTunes Music Store had to compete against piracy the Mac App [TS]

  Store has to compete against direct sales and applications that can be more [TS]

  powerful and do more powerful things and it's currently losing that competition [TS]

  and even as a user everything and everything about the Mac App Store from [TS]

  a user perspective has gotten worse over time you know first when he started [TS]

  chanting sandboxing you know that not only put out a lot of apps that made us [TS]

  home now we have to like exchange our license to go down to the directors and [TS]

  everything so that that was a pain for for people who bought in early to the [TS]

  App Store and then when simpson came in now like I hate sandbox ABS [TS]

  therapy [TS]

  from the user side to use the guy I have a couple of one of them is called space [TS]

  kremlin it helps like finally earlier just basis and you know it has to read [TS]

  your whole hard drive and the convoluted hoops that applicants have to do is [TS]

  click this button choose the root folder and every time you gotta like redo it I [TS]

  know now it can't look at files that it's such a pain and FM user perspective [TS]

  just like sandboxing is I don't understand the Security benefits of it [TS]

  but if it's a very rarely used opt in system those are all those are pretty [TS]

  limited and I don't think it's worth it as I really don't like the way it is the [TS]

  way to Mindanao and it's incredibly you know half-baked and seemingly completely [TS]

  neglected way I don't want it as a user has one more thing and Essendon you had [TS]

  something like this [TS]

  like this receipt validation bug that made all my apps just break all of a [TS]

  sudden like that's a big problem this what reason do I have as a user to buy [TS]

  more after the Mac App Store after all the problems and and you know things [TS]

  getting worse I i don't i don't see a good reason anymore but you stuck out [TS]

  there can be no reason like the plate one place you can go for the updates and [TS]

  it's easy to buy things there I wish the Mac App Store should also make it easier [TS]

  to install but they don't really but beyond that like this all the pros are [TS]

  still there but the conscious keep stacking up in the constant go and the [TS]

  same boxing thing really like the main problem with that aside from all the [TS]

  bugs and all the other things that the poor Mac developers had to complain [TS]

  about how you know I was gets better tools for crash reports and debugging [TS]

  and betas and testified know those anyway aside from all of that Mac App [TS]

  Store sandboxing like ISSN boxing and everyone gets along with it because the [TS]

  entire system the entire operating system the entire way of using the phone [TS]

  has from the beginning [TS]

  been built around the ideas and bison witches you know problems for data [TS]

  sharing and silly like URL schemes to get around all these things like still [TS]

  has some problems but it fits with the system on the Mac sandboxing flies in [TS]

  the face of the entire history of the [TS]

  platform and if you put sandboxing in that environment it it doesn't fit like [TS]

  if your app happens to fit into a little nice and I think you're fine but this [TS]

  whole classes of applications good useful applications that don't fit [TS]

  within sandboxing and it's like it's almost like Apple saying we really rich [TS]

  really wish that you didn't have to have at like this on your Mac we really [TS]

  really wish the Mac was like I was and so they say maybe we make all the Mac [TS]

  apps PC and box then the Mac will be just like the iPhone but it's not and so [TS]

  like this [TS]

  demarco just mentioned you know Sean Reilly disk spaces could have like in [TS]

  System Preferences a disk space usage thing that did the same thing that was [TS]

  part of the operating system like settings is on and I they could but they [TS]

  don't and Mac users do have to manage a story [TS]

  storage and automatic because of the way it is it's difficult to tell where all [TS]

  that space is going because you have a lot of files and folders and although [TS]

  the stuff that again is not usable and I was so there is a place for applications [TS]

  that do this type of thing same thing for like dis duplicate things like super [TS]

  duper and stuff that's the thing you don't have to do with pounds because [TS]

  they've always had like love that the cloud backup now and are you back them [TS]

  up the iTunes will just push the problem on your Mac or whatever you going to do [TS]

  for the Mac we need a way to back it up and doing descanses a useful thing to do [TS]

  and this client software needs to read the entire disk of course and sandboxing [TS]

  makes it a pain it can be done but it's a it's a big super pain so you can't [TS]

  like you can't make the mac as safe as iOS by merely just sayin applications [TS]

  have to be sandbox all you can do is say some applications will be sandbox and [TS]

  it's good for them like it is a benefit to the user to have applications that [TS]

  can get outside their little pen and that they somehow get exploited or [TS]

  broken or there's a bug in them or whatever they can do less damage but [TS]

  that other class of applications is never going to go away so long as the [TS]

  Mac still is like it is long as the neck is still let you know an old style PC [TS]

  operating system so I don't see what they can do about the tension of them to [TS]

  you know make a tiered system and say sandboxes you can give you a special [TS]

  label and store your sandbox and label if you're not instead they're just [TS]

  stubbornly saying everything else [TS]

  the sandbox and if you can work in the sandbox we don't want your kind of [TS]

  application on our platform and at least the tech-savvy users are saying you may [TS]

  not want that kind of application on the platform but I want that location [TS]

  because I does useful things for me and so you make it no longer useful like [TS]

  you'll never need to close this again because all your data is magically [TS]

  backed up using quantum entanglement something great for you make it like iOS [TS]

  and you know with no local backup option everything is a cloud backup are you [TS]

  gotta give me some way to do all these things that are into something symbols [TS]

  BBEdit where the text editor wants to be able to have like a file browser without [TS]

  throwing a stupid open save dialog box in your face that you know the power box [TS]

  thing to let you convince the system that you're allowed to access these [TS]

  files like you know a program-best I'll text editor when you browse the whole [TS]

  process is a useful thing to have because the Mac is a system that lets [TS]

  you have files and folders and exposed to a file system and you can't deviate [TS]

  it is not useful if you can find to like a sandbox like environment all you're [TS]

  doing is pushing the noise under the user to do silly things in the UI to [TS]

  convince the system that yes please let me be added to the text files no matter [TS]

  where they are in need to go you said he would it be nice if if Apple had [TS]

  included something like spacecraft later my preferred at daisy dukes have you not [TS]

  seen about this Mac and then the storage have which is super useful and is [TS]

  telling me that of the three quarters of a terabyte I have fall about half of it [TS]

  is either the usage visa denial is not very granular but at the granular on the [TS]

  level that I S Works perhaps you don't have direct access to managing the [TS]

  storage there it's like all you can do about it is delete an app and all that [TS]

  goes with it maybe some apps you can go into the appetite to lead videos or [TS]

  whatever you know but the granularity of the information provided by the settings [TS]

  thing and iOS matches the granularity of the way you use iOS moralist the grand [TS]

  idea the Mac for good or for ill is files and folders you know let me tell [TS]

  you how much as music how much as video and how much is a giant yellow bar for [TS]

  other [TS]

  wonder how comes up with that a is not even a useful as I can be just not the [TS]

  way the Mac works I need to know like I use it all the time especially backhand [TS]

  before [TS]

  upgraded my computer shit 256 gig as a state and I would need to like hunt down [TS]

  you know some episode of My Little Pony that I didn't know her daughter [TS]

  downloaded iTunes today get out of the iTunes folder and delete the damn thing [TS]

  you know and you can do that sometimes some of the night but you know even just [TS]

  discovered that many people make that the virtual memory sleep image can push [TS]

  you over the years [TS]

  your disk space unlimited right because when you get a machine with a lot of RAM [TS]

  and a small SSD that really hard questions like do I really need the you [TS]

  know the Hibernate functionality justice able to use old South Bend is really [TS]

  hope that it doesn't run out of battery was only answer it's really ugly and I [TS]

  don't know what I when I saw that one password which just so happened to be [TS]

  the first thing that that reared its ugly head when I saw that that was [TS]

  broken or well not broken but I saw that have been brought about the Mac App [TS]

  Store I realized what was happening very quickly but that was only because I'd [TS]

  seen some passing references to it on Twitter RSS what have you if I remember [TS]

  right the dialogue though said something like oh this is all broke go free [TS]

  download it and it doesn't even spell it says this application is damaged and you [TS]

  should move into the trash right exactly and so the solution is free download [TS]

  from the Mac App Store the process of doing so they couldn't have made it more [TS]

  obtuse and and manual if they tried like that's the thing is that you know I kind [TS]

  of know what I'm doing when it comes to using a computer I can't imagine someone [TS]

  who doesn't follow this stuff I mean it's not that hard to go to the [TS]

  Applications folder and drag it to the trash then go back to Mac App Store but [TS]

  that dialogue to your point Marco didn't really make it clear what the correct [TS]

  order of operations are corrected tasks was to fix this issue and it's just it [TS]

  was like one of you said it was a disaster from top to bottom it was the [TS]

  disaster all the way down and and it's a little frustrating that the most Apple [TS]

  did was say well you know screwed up but we'll fix it don't worry you know the [TS]

  thing is they have all the info [TS]

  dialog box they have all the information on the system to fix that in one breast [TS]

  if the system things that the application damages should be thrown in [TS]

  the trash [TS]

  there could be one button that says would you like me to redownload this [TS]

  cause I know exactly what it is and I know that you purchased it and I can put [TS]

  in the trash and I can be downloaded for you because I know everything about like [TS]

  the guineas like that the same thing with uninstall I get the install process [TS]

  really is drag it to the trash was not a big honking uninstall button in the Mac [TS]

  App Store app so anyway [TS]

  a lot of his neglect of just like things they could do and they don't do you [TS]

  speak in the collect our tipster in the chatroom insist loudly and has been [TS]

  since this time that's happened at this bug about the certificate cashing has [TS]

  already been reported there's already a radar for it and it's been around since [TS]

  I was 10 10.6 that's uncomfortable and has not been texting again it's tips or [TS]

  information so take with a grain of salt but there's not but it's it's the you [TS]

  know it feels bad when your platform is not getting attention and various times [TS]

  Apple has ignored the Mac and then sell it said that like you know we really [TS]

  care about the Mac were paying a lot of attention to end done lots of important [TS]

  things to the Mac but they're still areas particularly around the Mac App [TS]

  Store especially as it compares to the regular App Store that just feels [TS]

  neglected and you know how many people do you think are actually tasked with [TS]

  working on this kind of thing that Apple right now [TS]

  like you know Apple's teams are always lots more than you think they are and [TS]

  apple also has has this cut this very frequent habit that from what I hear is [TS]

  is worse than ever [TS]

  where engineers get pulled off with things all the time to go work on some [TS]

  new projects need more engineering resources that is a newer thing or more [TS]

  important to the current direction of the company or current business goals so [TS]

  people can move around the time and there is usually you know either nobody [TS]

  left working on boring stuff at the Mac App Store or a surprisingly small staff [TS]

  like it might be like a handful of people doing some things have like one [TS]

  person working on me know it's so a bug like that like it's it's not that like [TS]

  the Mac App Store staff just didn't [TS]

  you know is so big that they were it's more likely that almost no one's working [TS]

  on this and that like an Apple keeps having problems like this where the [TS]

  boring old stuff gets these kinda like either gets ignored forever and bugs [TS]

  like this around four years or he gets like these drive-by updates like [TS]

  somebody comes in [TS]

  it's all things like Discovery Day is a perfect example of this but we hear the [TS]

  El Cap USB stack might be something like this [TS]

  certainly we're hearing that the account Disk Utility is probably something like [TS]

  this where it's kind of a drive by update where somebody is finally allowed [TS]

  to work on it and told to like you know revamping cleaning up a rewrite it or [TS]

  something and you get like one pass it and what comes out is like 75% [TS]

  functional and then that person is gone incentive to work on something else and [TS]

  it like this this is not the recipe for quality at all it's the complete [TS]

  opposite of what you should be doing and it is not even an efficient way to run [TS]

  an engineering organization Michigan some of the hundred developers Instagram [TS]

  who don't have time to make an iPad up for Twitter cut itself which is set for [TS]

  all the people lost their jobs but they had and still do have a very large [TS]

  number of people i mean to some degree I can kind of explain what we're never [TS]

  understand that they've got a server-side components everyone everyone [TS]

  throws a big developer numbers of these companies they envision all these people [TS]

  working on the iOS app when Shirley perhaps the majority of them are working [TS]

  on backend stuff but the number of developers in these large BC funded [TS]

  companies hire lots of really smart people to work on one or two flagship [TS]

  mobile applications and then you compare them to the like one or two person [TS]

  independent shops writing competing third-party applications like how how [TS]

  his Twitter have literally 100 iOS developers making their their iOS [TS]

  Twitter client [TS]

  terrific has two people and you look at the two applications and you think their [TS]

  peers like they seem about the same [TS]

  right one of them is made by the company that makes the thing and it made by two [TS]

  guys and so I just a middleman month at a certain point adding more people [TS]

  doesn't help and then you know this committee syndrome and people are you [TS]

  know you can actually make any changes whitewater to its credit has been saying [TS]

  that they're trying to you know become more efficient or whatever but Apple [TS]

  seems to have the opposite problem we're like Marco said every story we hear is [TS]

  you know there's actually one guy who's responsible for these three applications [TS]

  and to give her release he does to minor updates each one fix some bugs and [TS]

  that's about it you know [TS]

  Crashers first and everything else at this time and there's gotta be something [TS]

  in the middle there where you have a reasonable number of people empowered to [TS]

  make good decisions to not just make a product but to continue to make it [TS]

  better [TS]

  year after year after year like the hard way teams surely it's not like they took [TS]

  the you know the iPhone for a center said every year let's make my time do [TS]

  anything except for to fix a broken home button right now to make a whole new [TS]

  phone and they go you know the hardware gets better and better and better [TS]

  the software depending on what it is can spend years without really moving inside [TS]

  yet the Mac does have a lot of applications and some don't really [TS]

  change much year after year even when we feel like they should like maybe it's ok [TS]

  the terminal application doesn't change dramatically from year to year but the [TS]

  Mac App Store that everyone agrees has all these problems should really be [TS]

  getting more attention on Xbox of this week is mail route mail route really [TS]

  brings you the best spam filtering I've ever seen [TS]

  to your email or your server so that net / 18 this works around the service that [TS]

  you put between your email server or your e-mail service like fast bowler [TS]

  whatever you put them between that and the internet so your redirect your MX [TS]

  records to them they deliver clean spam filter emailed directly to your email [TS]

  hosts I viewed as myself now for about a year I think and it is amazing I've [TS]

  never seen spam filtering this could I use this I recommend this personally [TS]

  they can't pay me to say that they can payment every their script they cannot [TS]

  pay me to say that I use it and I recommended I use this I recommend it [TS]

  I was skeptical at first I'll tell you I was very skeptical of putting some other [TS]

  service in front of my email because email is very important for a lot of [TS]

  things and I i recognize that and so I was skeptical for a while and then once [TS]

  I tried it blew me away how good it was it removed any doubt I've never had any [TS]

  problems with them and the performance of the city of their spam filtering is [TS]

  really something else I have never seen anything like it I have tried so many [TS]

  other options [TS]

  server-side rules most email hosts including fast mail have lots of spam [TS]

  filtering options on server side you can do it made them can get quite [TS]

  sophisticated honestly but even they were never as good as when I get from [TS]

  mail route today and we have to put almost no effort into it whatsoever I [TS]

  cannot recommend it highly enough so if you care about such things they have [TS]

  let's see they have LDAP Active Directory TLS support male banking a [TS]

  pound relay anything if you run a mail server anything that you probably need [TS]

  for your business for yourself you can be dramatically useful to people who run [TS]

  their own servers as you can really cut back on the resources on your servers [TS]

  and probably even the number of servers you have your own a big companies email [TS]

  stuff so check it out it really does it now route is quite incredible I cannot [TS]

  recommend it highly enough [TS]

  go to merit that net / ATP for a free trial and using this link [TS]

  10% off for the lifetime of your entire accounts this is not just 10% off once [TS]

  10% off forever everything you pay them is 10% off check it out [TS]

  mail route net / ATP thanks a lot [TS]

  ok so the long national nightmare is over you have acquired an apple pencil I [TS]

  have yes we have the iPad pro and we have the front smart cover only cause I [TS]

  couldn't i couldn't bring myself to spend $140 to cover the back as well [TS]

  could face up to $400 buying a pencil so we now have iPad pro and the Apple [TS]

  pencil and I love using the iPad Apple pencil however I am not much of an [TS]

  artist I wish I had more reasons to use it [TS]

  fortunately my wife is an artist and does use it and she's had a lot of [TS]

  experience with it so please welcome on the show our return guests Tiffany are [TS]

  meant I'm not an artist a dabbler [TS]

  the artist formerly known as to assure you you're much better artist than I and [TS]

  i know john has doubled in the past as well as I won't speak for him on that [TS]

  one [TS]

  certainly better than me and I think it's safe to say better than Marco so [TS]

  your ears we got for now anyway I don't know Marquez drawings are pretty amazing [TS]

  like his stick figures are killer Casey two-caliber gonna say given randall [TS]

  Munroe a run for his money not that good you made that awesome little decaf sign [TS]

  with that said coffee mug that was super funny I can occasionally make it one [TS]

  decent dry I love his drawings I think we have to get rid of the idea that you [TS]

  have to you have to pass some skill threshold to have a reason to use any [TS]

  sort of artistic employment I agree no matter what it is that you're doing it [TS]

  there's not like nothing bad will happen to you if you quote unquote can't draw [TS]

  and you start dealing with the style like we all do it all again the margins [TS]

  are no books and everything just if it's fun to do and you find it relaxing and [TS]

  meditated like I'm sure someone to have an incredible make the adult coloring [TS]

  book application for the iPad and it'll get it she will love it and I know there [TS]

  is no like you don't have to I know Marcos looking for something useful [TS]

  productive but if it's relaxing and fun to do you can try to meet you actually [TS]

  have any interest you can get better at it by practicing and learning about it I [TS]

  guess just like any other skill that I for the longest time I didn't even start [TS]

  doing anything because I was afraid to be bad and everyone's bad at first [TS]

  though it was kind of a stupid fear but that's a kept me from even trying to [TS]

  draw anything ever and so recently I decided you know I'm like 32 years old [TS]

  I'm tired of being afraid of being bad [TS]

  mad at something that I don't even know how to do this by the way listen to this [TS]

  week's back to work which is basically entirely on that topic it's really [TS]

  alright alright pencils that I've already broken I was about to say he [TS]

  took the words right out of my mouth so how long did the pencil last from from [TS]

  the time you had opened the cover of the box to its actually initial breakage [TS]

  about five seconds literally like I opened the box and I was looking at the [TS]

  little card cause this comes at this card that also has inserts in it which [TS]

  is on top of the pencil so I open that up in first I was pulling out what the [TS]

  card was the box flipped over the pencil fell out of the box it fell unto our [TS]

  floor and it the cap popped off this little silver ring popped off the cap in [TS]

  their pieces everywhere so but it turned out that functional it's just the body [TS]

  of it was broken as a fair to say well the little tiny cap has this little tiny [TS]

  silver ring that goes inside of it and it seems to be held on by nothing but [TS]

  like a dot of glue so it just probably fell the worst way possible because not [TS]

  very tight in the case and in the box when it comes so it just kind of flipped [TS]

  out in that little tiny ring popped up in the market has since super glued it [TS]

  back on and but I know it still feels funny to me I mean the Holst the whole [TS]

  pencil even with the ring in place the cap is not really fit tightly they came [TS]

  in so many ways this pencil was like not designed for practicality which is a [TS]

  shame because it feels really good I can use it it works incredibly well as we [TS]

  get to but you know I expressed concern earlier even when they when they first [TS]

  announced it that like there was there's nowhere to put it for one thing because [TS]

  no way to attach it to your put it into any kind of cover for the iPad that [TS]

  exists so far which is so frustrating because where else you can use this [TS]

  pencil nowhere nowhere else is essential to be used anywhere besides with this [TS]

  MacBook Pro so why not attach it you crazy people right and and so and the [TS]

  cap so if you want to charge this thing you know we also expressed concern when [TS]

  they first showed the soft two months ago whenever we also expressed concern [TS]

  that [TS]

  that you put it in the end of the end you put in the lightning port that is [TS]

  just asking to be broken off that is so precarious and looks weird first of all [TS]

  but just so ridiculous and and it seems like possibly last minute they added [TS]

  this like this double female lightning adapter that's in the box you can you [TS]

  can use it to reverse the orientation Attorney General lightning plug on it so [TS]

  that you can charge it from a lightning cable which is way more scene and I [TS]

  understand why they did it whatever you can't remember if you only have the iPad [TS]

  in the pencil with you and you need a quick charge you can get one quickly [TS]

  just from the iPad it's nice to have that ability I guess but that also [TS]

  should be the primary charge it and so I get that last second and it isn't the [TS]

  problem is when you're charging it if you plug it in like yo overnight [TS]

  sometime if you're charging it when you put the cap you can magnetically [TS]

  attached the cap to the one of the smarter and smarter than them you can [TS]

  stick the little captain its kind of wobbly really is designed to be in [TS]

  Johnny Ives white world and it and like it doesn't it doesn't seem like it [TS]

  rolled around in the way he won't find it so you don't have to worry about [TS]

  rolling off the desk is it is weightless off a desk but it is it seemed like it [TS]

  just made at every opportunity to break or get lost in like even when it's in [TS]

  the iPad to charge it had it lightning connector is extra long and it fits [TS]

  fairly loosely [TS]

  like it's just everything about it is like loose and just waiting to either [TS]

  break or get lost while the Cabaret almost went into the vacuum and the rate [TS]

  of the air conditioner vent our house about two hours after I broke its I'm [TS]

  doing really great right now so I'm hearing a since they're so plentiful you [TS]

  should just just jumped on down to the local Apple store and get a couple of [TS]

  backups because nobody's looking to buy a dozen and keep them in a big jar so [TS]

  you lose one pencil box like ran i mean they're cheap they're plentiful no no [TS]

  problems they're gonna sell so many things because people if you if you [TS]

  actually use it regularly [TS]

  I would guess you have to buy a new and probably once a year so so you know at [TS]

  least maybe even more depending on how careless you are a few things are you [TS]

  know if you lose things lot like you couldn't have designed to be to be less [TS]

  practical for like forgetfulness or clumsiness if that makes sense I'm not [TS]

  that clumsy or I never lose things I know where everything is in the house [TS]

  down to like the little tiny piece of anything I know where it is and losing I [TS]

  can't believe how I comedy of errors happened yesterday when we got ahold of [TS]

  ya so like we actually so I I had pre-ordered where i read online that has [TS]

  it has a ship date of like mid December and I wanted soon as I kept like you [TS]

  know going into the stores until they had it and then I got I was able to get [TS]

  there but I'm not gonna cancel that pre-order for the for the one I think we [TS]

  need a spare and is it gonna be good to use have been buzzing find out if you [TS]

  can draw on the screen with two pencils once thats Wow alright soon now that you [TS]

  have a slightly damaged but otherwise functional pencil what is it like to use [TS]

  and if you wouldn't mind can you set the stage as to describe you know what you [TS]

  would normally do that's artistic with a pen or pencil you know where you are you [TS]

  drawing your own Rembrandt's or you just drawing stick figures I presume it [TS]

  somewhere in between [TS]

  well never gonna like sketching which i think the pencil I feel like it really [TS]

  excels at it from you know actually developed a new signature if anyone has [TS]

  seen it on Twitter recently which is what I decided to do first with my [TS]

  pencil is the most important thing develop your signature for your iPad are [TS]

  you writing checks from you if it's like naming your band in high school before [TS]

  you actually like practiced once forgotten to get my arm and i got my [TS]

  names that was actually really fun to do on the pencil and it from what I've [TS]

  tested three programs now and that whatever it is it's really depending on [TS]

  the program and your level of skill with using these type of programs on how [TS]

  great the pencil fields I do allow watercolor in real life not digitally [TS]

  and so trying to [TS]

  to replicate that in a lot of programs as a little bit iffy obviously because [TS]

  you have you know you're dealing with like ink flowing and and pigment in the [TS]

  water and dilution and transparency so that's a little tricky but the pencil [TS]

  actually makes it really fun to play with on the iPad and with some medium [TS]

  like trying to replicate a medium that's more solid the pencil really really [TS]

  excels in it feels extremely fluid it doesn't detect your hand at all which is [TS]

  really amazing and when you say it doesn't take your hand you mean if your [TS]

  hand is on there it's not also drawing it smart enough to throw away the hand [TS]

  portion yet [TS]

  yeah it will detective fingertip if you accidentally remove a fingertip around [TS]

  but with most of these programs as you know like a race and backs though it's [TS]

  not like a ruining anything but with the palm detection is really like you can [TS]

  rest your hand on the iPad pro and draw and it doesn't it doesn't detect it [TS]

  doesn't smear anything it as a you know digitally smear under no mere so [TS]

  something else I don't know I'm from the island so you should I do I think it's [TS]

  really really enjoyable and so far I've done a number of sketches with it and I [TS]

  keep wanting to do more I almost fell asleep last night [TS]

  cradled next to me intimate but yeah I'm really enjoying it [TS]

  COO of the city views with it what would you say is your favorite and corollary [TS]

  to that is that the best app for the pencil or do you just like the [TS]

  experience with that app the most well-marked petunia ones on today and [TS]

  before that I was using Adobe's sketches that would I was using and then today [TS]

  you put on what did you put on a pro bono procreate and Jesus Japanese name [TS]

  that I forgot of another very popular schedule [TS]

  anyway so I was just recently just trying with those just before the show [TS]

  and they have more of a learning curve I think because they're really involved [TS]

  for artists that know what they're doing the Adobe sketch one was pretty easy to [TS]

  master right away [TS]

  being a newbie using the pencil newbie to art you felt like you were [TS]

  accomplishing a real work you know like you not just a little sketch that you're [TS]

  going to delete it doesn't matter if you really felt like you could do it the [TS]

  other ones they have so many changes and buttons inflows and this and that the [TS]

  interface is a little bit trickier to navigate if you don't know what you're [TS]

  doing but I feel like that those other programs are the programs that you would [TS]

  move onto after you kind of mastered how to manipulate the pencil with different [TS]

  mediums that are available and a lot of these programs and the name I was [TS]

  forgetting before it was a tie a tie Suu sketches I actually went to the Apple [TS]

  store this past weekend and spent maybe a minute may have two minutes using the [TS]

  pencil I did ask one of the employees if they had any in stock and they basically [TS]

  left my face I mean they were much nicer about it and that that that was the [TS]

  message was he had now but I did play with briefly I only used the notes out [TS]

  and again I'm no artist but I thought it was cool I thought the tilting the [TS]

  pencil on its side the lake shade was kind of neat but I don't know why but [TS]

  the thing that blew my freaking mind was when I got the Notes app out and I and I [TS]

  put on the the on-screen ruler have you played with the staff no I haven't so in [TS]

  the Notes app you can bring up in on-screen ruler ended behaves like you [TS]

  have a ruler on the page it's not perfect because there's no physical [TS]

  barrier to keep you from you know flinging the pencil across your iPad but [TS]

  it does oh really darn good mimic of water rulers like it it's so stupid and [TS]

  I know why found that some press it [TS]

  but I just thought it was really really really cool see you mean I keep the line [TS]

  straight correct right so you can draw up against the ruler and have a [TS]

  perfectly straight line and you can you know spin the ruler round as he spent a [TS]

  total of it shows what angle it's at and it was just very very neat I don't know [TS]

  why I personally would ever need to do that but I just thought it was so well [TS]

  implemented and so well done I also went to the store recently got to play with [TS]

  the pencil I was the first thing I was struck by was in the Apple Store the [TS]

  pencils not hatch for things like it's not attached with the little bankers you [TS]

  know little metal beaded chain thing it is just loose in a little creative thing [TS]

  is I have to imagine those things are walking out the door like crazy at Apple [TS]

  especially when they are rare but anyway I did get to try it [TS]

  although the first thing that confuses me with a conveyor why wasn't working to [TS]

  do is paired with the one like they had the pencil in the middle of two iPad [TS]

  pros it was paired with the other ones I just plugged into my thing and repair it [TS]

  was just nice that feature that repairing feature is cool and comes in [TS]

  handy to know the stupid Bluetooth thing to parents using it I experienced things [TS]

  we talked about a Pashos varies widely my appt some of them are slow some of [TS]

  them are fast the Notes app was the fastest one that I tried because they [TS]

  had a bunch of different apps installed on it it was fun it was interesting to [TS]

  note that the pencil tool that's both look like a pencil to keep saying like [TS]

  oh you can tell to do shading and stuff like that that is the one part of the [TS]

  notice that that felt the least like real media to me and my my biases that I [TS]

  have habits in my you know my hands and you know my mind and my body from using [TS]

  real pencils and stuff for many many years when I was a kid and every time I [TS]

  use anything that involves like drawing on a tablet screen or whatever it's [TS]

  almost as if it was farther away from the real thing out few more comfortable [TS]

  because then I wouldn't be trying to use the the you know the the motions and [TS]

  gestures that I'm used to from the real physical world of art media but the [TS]

  pencils close enough to real media that I expected to look work more like a [TS]

  pencil and that still shaking thing just does not work anything like an actual [TS]

  pencil and so I was continually frustrated by the fact that I had to [TS]

  stop myself from do [TS]

  I would do with an actual pencil and start doing with this pencil demands in [TS]

  particular I found that a lot of the ones that I draw I draw with the pencil [TS]

  tilted at such an angle that the accelerometers in the pencil think I [TS]

  want to do shading but in reality but the real physical pencil on paper I'm [TS]

  still just using the tape and I find that very frustrating and maybe have to [TS]

  change how I was doing everything to be more directly into the into the screen [TS]

  to make sure it doesn't then line if I could disable the shaving thing or [TS]

  change like the ratio but don't even start shaving thing until I'm super [TS]

  tilted over yeah that really bother me a lot but that's just that I think that is [TS]

  more of a barrier of like people who are good at using computers to draw it is [TS]

  actually I think it'd be different enough skill from people are going to [TS]

  using you know pencils or pens or paints or any other me like the media really [TS]

  think that you're using the medium really does change how you think so if I [TS]

  got one of these and I was actually using it to draw I think I would have to [TS]

  have a learning curve to learn how to use this tool to draw in the same way [TS]

  that you learn how to use in the leg while pastels vs oil paid Services [TS]

  acrylics or anything like that but bottom line is I feel like this could [TS]

  this could could be used to very easily be used by someone to do their work as [TS]

  an artist because it is so close to in terms of responsiveness you know the [TS]

  real pencil it so much closer than all the things I've used in the past I have [TS]

  heard from actual artist even the people are using the top of the line current [TS]

  generation tablet type things that it's pretty good at either better than or at [TS]

  least as good as the existing tablet technology so good job for Apple and its [TS]

  first try [TS]

  alright its first right not counting the new and once again for new number desk [TS]

  you feel bad when I say this first try not to noon doing really good pen input [TS]

  for us but it also depends [TS]

  the pencil feels really nice like it doesn't cramp your hand while you're [TS]

  using it which is great it is very comfortable and before when I was using [TS]

  the iPad pro I felt the weight of the iPad perot all the time without the [TS]

  pencil so I was sitting with a we are watching movies I tried to read with it [TS]

  some people think that that's awesome [TS]

  the reading experience is really great I found it [TS]

  it awful on the iPad pro it is way too big but when I was getting with the [TS]

  pencil I the way it just kind of disappeared and I kind of didn't notice [TS]

  it and it felt so natural and great to have this really big screen so my [TS]

  experience with the iPad throw itself without the pencil was a disaster and I [TS]

  i kno wasn't sure I even wanted it to keep it and I didn't I played with it [TS]

  for a few hours and then I kinda left it on the table you know I didn't I wasn't [TS]

  interested in using it any further than that because it felt just too heavy too [TS]

  big too much stuff going on or too little stuff with the home screen icon I [TS]

  end but as soon as I got the pencil it has been in my lap every free moment [TS]

  that I can possibly find do not subscribe to any magazines like the [TS]

  digital or otherwise I think magazines like you know I don't know I was [TS]

  described to Martha Stewart's magazine actually but she filled it all up with [TS]

  ads like her real magazine and now it's horrible to read and the ads move on the [TS]

  digital ones though it was worth it that's a no I don't I tried to read some [TS]

  did some didn't really slow so I tend to prefer the paper ones my wife read some [TS]

  magazines on her iPad she still thinks you are many to get a full size one and [TS]

  I can imagine the best application as I'd like comic books like that for a big [TS]

  gigantic iPad would be magazines with big big illustrations or photos like a [TS]

  photography magazine nature magazine fashion magazine a car magazine like I [TS]

  could see those being amazing but I mean when I read romance novels I really [TS]

  don't want that very large and visible to everyone in the way you can think [TS]

  about it for the iPad Pro for reading is if you would [TS]

  could imagine yourself comfortably reading a paper book of that size is [TS]

  great for the soul of the magazines that paper magazines are especially the very [TS]

  large ones like magazine before they get made it crappy but anyway you know I [TS]

  don't have big bogus these days but there are magazines that are very large [TS]

  and it's a sure I can do that but novels are paper books paperback size usually [TS]

  even hardcovers [TS]

  are not as big as the iPad pro in most cases most of paperbacks that I myself [TS]

  even the biggest ones I have up here are more or less for iPad air two sides not [TS]

  iPad process so it is a little over sized but others have last week the [TS]

  whole ideas maybe not for reading novels or anything you can have other stuff on [TS]

  the screen at the same time so you can bounce back and forth between Twitter [TS]

  and flipping through the latest issue of you know car driver or whatever and [TS]

  that's the general theme that that we found so far the iPad perot is like it's [TS]

  really good for certain things but that is it doesn't overlap completely with [TS]

  what the smaller iPads are really good at like you would think that that the [TS]

  what that what the iPad probe agree that would be a strict superset and where it [TS]

  would include everything the small ones are good at plus also some new stuff and [TS]

  I don't that's actually the case and that's ok you know it in the same way [TS]

  that like a 17 inch MacBook Pro may rest in peace is not great at everything you [TS]

  want a laptop to be too to be four you know if you want to be using it on a [TS]

  plane or if you want to carry it around the time 17 inch MacBook Pro is not that [TS]

  great for that that doesn't mean that the entire MacBook Pro line has to be [TS]

  small thin and light you know so now we're reaching the point with the iPad [TS]

  lineup that it has substantial differentiation between the models now [TS]

  and that's okay you can't just be sure that if you like one of the iPad's you [TS]

  can't be sure that the next one up will be better in every way for you to if if [TS]

  you work to do to your parents house for a few days would you bring it with you a [TS]

  really good question probably not because I don't have time to sit and get [TS]

  or draw or paint anything so I never brought my painting supplies there even [TS]

  though I have travel ones so probably not but I would bring my regular size [TS]

  iPad because sometimes I do like to read when I'm [TS]

  they're like during naps their evening or out of town but so so no probably [TS]

  wouldn't because this really pick two and the internet connections of the [TS]

  great I'm assuming since you wouldn't bring it to mom and dads that you [TS]

  probably wouldn't bring it on like a trip or something like that like let's [TS]

  say you know tested as European delivery which I understand makes no sense and [TS]

  you guys maybe all of us go again would you bring this on that sort of a trip [TS]

  now I wouldn't I wouldn't because I'm not a digital artist I'm just now [TS]

  learning and getting interested in trying to do it because it is just like [TS]

  john was saying it's very different holding a stylist to a screen and trying [TS]

  to get it to mimic [TS]

  moving or a brush with bristles that are dynamic and move-in swirl translating [TS]

  that if they if that's what you want to do is you want to paint something [TS]

  satisfying that doesn't happen on the iPad but if you want to do something [TS]

  create a digital piece of art which I find is is just like another medium [TS]

  until you know yet paint you have pencil you have digital are like it's just [TS]

  another way to do it and there is another set of skills that you need to [TS]

  learn and develop so if I got into that then yeah I would see myself carrying [TS]

  this with me to accomplish that task if I want to create a digital Journal of a [TS]

  trip I was going on but as of right now no because I'm just not enough I'm not [TS]

  skilled enough but I can definitely see a place for it for other people but for [TS]

  me it's it's just too big a digital journals like that that is a thing that [TS]

  people should aspire to make the iPad probe into a good tool for alleged terms [TS]

  of people some people do this as a people don't like to like a while you're [TS]

  on the trip so you're going on a trip to Europe while you there at like at the [TS]

  end of each day that you take the photos off your camera put them right into your [TS]

  iPad 4 with the USB port that will talk about it a little bit maybe use the [TS]

  various applications available on the iPad pro to compose it a cool in a web [TS]

  page or slide show or a movie or something you can share with everybody [TS]

  else in at the end of each day you would send out to your family or whoever is [TS]

  interested [TS]

  here's how are you know second day in italy was right or just even just to be [TS]

  working on it so that by the time you come home from the trip you have [TS]

  everything sort of assembled together into whatever form that you decide you [TS]

  want to share your trip with a series of pictures or a slide show or a movie or a [TS]

  web page with a bunch of pictures and blog post all the type of things that we [TS]

  all know that we can do with computers and websites a lot of I think the [TS]

  existing image of the iPad in most people's mind and then the reality for [TS]

  most people other than maybe she is that the best way to synthesize all these [TS]

  different things [TS]

  photos video text web stuff you know [TS]

  emailing people compiling all that information [TS]

  the best way to do that is still on a Mac and I see no reason the iPad pro [TS]

  can't be as good or better at almost all those things especially with the stylist [TS]

  in but if you want to add take pictures like a magic arranging pictures in a lot [TS]

  like an application let you sort of vilification album where you could hand [TS]

  right underneath the things little captions in the more personal if you see [TS]

  me running than typing in captions for things and being able to touch things [TS]

  and drag things around as if they were actually photos in a real scrapbooking [TS]

  stuff they had pro- be perfect for that but that it that's only promise at this [TS]

  point I'm sure their applications that do this but like bringing it all [TS]

  together [TS]

  touch stylus photography importing multiple applications working on a [TS]

  single thing and then sharing out everybody I don't think we're there yet [TS]

  but I totally think we could be an iPad pro would be the perfect device for that [TS]

  the others do doubt that the iPad Pro will make that experience way better for [TS]

  everyone anyone who really likes doing that is already kind of doing that on a [TS]

  laptop so you I feel like the people who are committed to doing that kind of [TS]

  thing that work on the go vacation journaling or you know scrapbooking and [TS]

  sending it out to family it's going to open up to a lot more people with the [TS]

  iPad because it becomes way more accessible but it's again it's another [TS]

  thing you have to be into doing I felt you know for me in the end of you know [TS]

  in the evening the stuff when I'm on vacation and doing stuff I kind of just [TS]

  want to read Twitter put my own photo on Instagram [TS]

  move on you know like committing to all of that work while on vacation I think [TS]

  takes a certain type of person and that person that's going to really grab hold [TS]

  of this kind of device and run with it the best kind of technology actually [TS]

  changes habits little bit so a lot of us for not having people who made family [TS]

  movies of anything but when I movie came out and it made it simple and fun to [TS]

  make a quick little movie even in turn downtown me how about a movie is not [TS]

  simple and it is not find every christmas is like iMovie stress how in [TS]

  this household I make a Christmas movie every year with a stop motion video of [TS]

  us unwrapping gifts and stuff and it is held every time and am also very upset [TS]

  that there aren't any new themes ever ever ever ever get my point is that that [TS]

  those applications down applications made people who would never even [TS]

  consider doing that [TS]

  tried at least once a whole bunch of people tried it and we're more or less [TS]

  successful and some percentage ratio 50% or whatever people who did not suddenly [TS]

  become people who make videos for every occasion their life but they did it [TS]

  maybe once maybe twice right because the application suddenly made it possible it [TS]

  wasn't like well I can't make a video of my family all I can do is shoot the [TS]

  video record to my little you know VHS are many TV or whatever and then we can [TS]

  all watch it from start to end its interminable but I'm never gonna edit [TS]

  this video is another video editor and the early days of the iLife suite made [TS]

  it so that regular people who are never considered his video editors suddenly [TS]

  had a tool in their house that they could use to edit a little video and try [TS]

  to find it really difficult and you make crappy videos but it did it once to [TS]

  twice and I feel like the iPad perot would stop putting everything could take [TS]

  people who would never in a million years go through all the work to do it [TS]

  on a laptop and know how to synthesize all that stuff and make it that there's [TS]

  one or two good applications the iPad robust our support maybe someone who [TS]

  isn't one of those people who makes at the end of every vacation day brings [TS]

  their I pepper with them and tried it once and sends out a nice things like [TS]

  that so I'm talking about I could sit small stakes but technology can [TS]

  sort of like lower the barrier to entry to the point where people who are never [TS]

  going to be serious about it still will like dabble for a second or two and find [TS]

  out yet there still isn't for me but had me this cool thing out of it and that's [TS]

  exactly how I feel now about the digital art before I never even considered ever [TS]

  ever ever trying to do anything digital and because this thing kind of appeared [TS]

  and Marco buys everything so it things appear it peaked my interest into trying [TS]

  this meaning that I've never would have tried before because I'm not gonna go [TS]

  out and purchase the tablet and purchased you know even though I do have [TS]

  a table we have one of those guys we have everything but we've had a Wacom [TS]

  tablet sitting in the closet for about five years I try to do anything it was [TS]

  awful so for me but I'm not gonna go out and get a program and learn it but with [TS]

  this it just feels so accessible and attainable to learn how to do at least a [TS]

  base level of of this kind of thing so I Pad Pro ultimate at home iPad yes at [TS]

  home might add me I would even say also like you know it's a little bit this [TS]

  last week to Buddha my my father time playing with that just reinforces this I [TS]

  think it's the kind of thing where if you were already using an iPad for [TS]

  productivity kind of work then this will probably be even better for you you know [TS]

  if you if you are already doing like email and documents and spreadsheets and [TS]

  and stuff like that in on an iPad before then this will probably be an [TS]

  improvement but it is it is it is kind of like a laptop in that way like it if [TS]

  it has replaced your laptop or you know or if it is almost replace your laptop [TS]

  already before you had an iPad pro then yes this is probably the device for you [TS]

  or if you have some of these like you know nice creative uses if you plan to [TS]

  use the pencil if if you could make use of such a thing [TS]

  this is also gonna be amazing for you if you are currently using an iPad with a [TS]

  keyboard and you want a better larger keyboard this will probably meeting for [TS]

  you as well we haven't we don't have the keyboard so we can really say how good [TS]

  they are many people [TS]

  already but if you if you're using your iPad primarily for content consumption [TS]

  or if you're like me and you can't quite figure out when to use your iPad for the [TS]

  most part then it's more of a mixed bag it's it's not a guarantee this will be [TS]

  better for you and it isn't a guarantee that that you would date you would be [TS]

  happy with it you got it so that is still up in the air but I will say that [TS]

  for the things that is good at like that pen input it is it is so good that like [TS]

  for me as as a long time [TS]

  iPad skeptic and just kind of not having much use for my iPad's I want a reason [TS]

  to use it I i actually and motivated to try to use it and it really into it [TS]

  because using the pencil is just so damn fun I won't ask that to Casey because if [TS]

  you're if you're the guy here who says he does not do art stuff right and I [TS]

  cracked John does a little bit I know market is a little bit he's a liar and a [TS]

  no idea but for you does this entry cue to start possibly playing around and [TS]

  seeing if you want to learn how to draw and to start that learning on the iPad I [TS]

  don't think so I mean to be fair I've only played at the pencil like I said [TS]

  for him editor to it was not very much at all and I thought it was neat but it [TS]

  struck me as the sort of thing that I would think this is really need for a [TS]

  week or two and then I'd probably never look at it again now who knows maybe in [TS]

  a week or two I would get bit by the art bug if you will and then I would never [TS]

  put it down but my guess is I would think shiny new need for a week maybe [TS]

  two and then I would just never look never looked back and I wish I wish I [TS]

  could do it somebody had asked TIFF have a photography work and I think this is [TS]

  this is worth touching on briefly would you use it for photography is so why if [TS]

  not why not I guess right now not because the way I added my photos it's [TS]

  very very heavy in Photoshop [TS]

  and the I feel like just the power and the hardware needed to run the Photoshop [TS]

  that I like to run when I get my photos is just not there on the iPad I could [TS]

  see it because if if it end if they end of translating onto the iPad with the [TS]

  touch interface it might be interesting to do but I don't know the precision of [TS]

  some of the Photoshop actions that I do really probably would not translate that [TS]

  gray and for me I have to edit photos if anyone else is out there who is a [TS]

  photographer or edit photos you know that if you use a different screen for [TS]

  editing your photos not screen that you have calibrated with a printer that you [TS]

  use or they are used to working with you can move photos from one device to [TS]

  another and the colors will be all wrong that you have worked on so you could sit [TS]

  and you can work on a picture for you know twenty minutes if you're traveling [TS]

  at all over the place in putting filters on and taking them off like I do like an [TS]

  insane person because I'm crazy but if you do that you would have no one device [TS]

  and you put it on another and then all of a sudden it's not what you wanted it [TS]

  to be which that frustration exist when I get for voters to clients and they [TS]

  don't have the right color but I've found a way to fix that anyway but it's [TS]

  just it's not right now I right now it's not accessible on the the level that i'm [TS]

  i'm playing with here and I think that a lot of other people feel that too but if [TS]

  you're just doing you know you're moving some sliders around which the majority [TS]

  of our family photos that's all that it needs then it is pretty accessible but I [TS]

  don't like having my photos into places where we actually have something of a [TS]

  generous about that there was this thing and Macworld [TS]

  about the display quality color accuracy of the iPad pro vs the surface Pro for [TS]

  and other things and I've ever didn't come out that wellness test not that [TS]

  there's no bad screen cities are all good screens but the 704 edged out and [TS]

  forget but the company is that does this [TS]

  the test all the display is just a mate I believe historically Apple has been [TS]

  weird with with the displays because it's you know that they always displays [TS]

  as those beautiful display of ever put in a blah blah blah like they always say [TS]

  they're great they don't tend to differentiate but whenever anyone does [TS]

  any actual testing with the color meter some models of devices have super [TS]

  accurate displays and some have not so accurate ones and it doesn't follow any [TS]

  particular lines like I think they were saying like the best screen Apple had [TS]

  ever put on was like I'm one of the many is there something yet at the most [TS]

  recent iPad Mini Mini for ya so they're all pretty good but you know but there [TS]

  is enough variance that would be saying is surely it's not just like that you [TS]

  know even equally good they can be different than a calibrated but then [TS]

  some cases just like the screen can display the same range of colours at [TS]

  that screen Canzano Amanda calibrations ever gonna make them look the same same [TS]

  it's also interesting that they have the nice TCPIP 310 bit screens on the on the [TS]

  new iMacs but that has that didn't make it into the iPad pro I wonder and even [TS]

  support standard colors and that's one of the reasons why but it'd be [TS]

  interesting to see if and when that gets added to iOS that could really help as [TS]

  well yeah it's not that I Mac Pro but it's got the good screen but the iPad [TS]

  pro not something I mean obviously have different strengths or handheld device [TS]

  like who knows what the requirements are you know that extra little bit of color [TS]

  accuracy and ended 10 been arranged everything maybe it's just not feasible [TS]

  at all in a handheld battery-powered device yet again will be nice though but [TS]

  anyway or any other questions for 240 just in general terms like thumbs up [TS]

  yeah yeah I really like it and I think that I'm going to develop liking it even [TS]

  more because as I get better [TS]

  the you know doing the digital art thing that I think I think it's going to [TS]

  become more and more useful as a another tool of hobby I think you know it's not [TS]

  my profession at all so it's it's very much a hobby tool but it's it's pretty [TS]

  darn fun one also my thanks for coming on sharing with us and thanks for having [TS]

  me guys are found a spot for this week is automatic automatic is it connected [TS]

  car adapter that plugs into your car's diagnostic port and integrated over 20 [TS]

  different apps plus their own apt to give you tons of functionality and a [TS]

  better driving experience go to automatic home / ATP to see for yourself [TS]

  get 20% off now you can check your check engine light if if you have any kind of [TS]

  engine error code automatic will explain to you in plain English what is going on [TS]

  and certain area code you can just pick something and then automatically [TS]

  actually clear the warning after you fixed it also gives you a lot of trips [TS]

  he takes who you can you can track things for business if you need to log [TS]

  your miles your business or if you're curious about your your gas mileage fuel [TS]

  efficiency can help you track all of that you know track your parking [TS]

  location you never lose your car and if you if you need help in an emergency if [TS]

  you have an accident [TS]

  automatic can automatically call the emergency services for you in an [TS]

  accident that's really really great benefits here now they also recently [TS]

  launched apps and a whole SDK so if you get automatic com slash at you can [TS]

  browse they have over 20 a so far adding more all the time you can use your card [TS]

  data and all kinds of new ways one of the biggest ones is they have paired [TS]

  with if this than that I have TTT however the pronounced as you can you [TS]

  can build recipes in if this than that based on your driving behavior and [TS]

  driving events and so we can do things like when I'm close to home in the car [TS]

  use my nest thermostat to automatically turn the air conditioning on so when I [TS]

  get home is nice and cool things like that you can really do amazing things [TS]

  with some of these out things like FreshBooks integration pebble Smart [TS]

  Watch integration all certainty that you can even send euros in the yo app which [TS]

  is a real thing so they've launched developer platform and you can go check [TS]

  out today if you're a developer [TS]

  developer still go check out the apps automatic can do lots of great things [TS]

  now you can get automatic normally it's a hundred bucks it's a great deal of [TS]

  hundred bucks but using our code are match.com / ATP you will get 20% off so [TS]

  it's only 80 bucks and that is a one-time charge there is no monthly fee [TS]

  to use the service nothing like that it is one time no subscription no recurring [TS]

  payments one time just 80 bucks with that link on match.com / ATP you get [TS]

  free shipping and 45 day return policy [TS]

  totally risk free check it out today are mac.com / ATP thanks a lot to automatic [TS]

  response show once again make users more about the iPad pro I believe for now we [TS]

  can talk about the USB thing but I can stay at least we have to get more info [TS]

  about the bottom line is that the iPad Pro is definitely the device for you [TS]

  want to have a speedy way to shove stuff into it and Apple has said that there is [TS]

  going to be able to do that with usb3 speeds is there really a lot of emotion [TS]

  behind tethered over the cable transfer of files to iOS devices these days [TS]

  imagine it's imagine it's all cameras right like if you can connect your [TS]

  camera directly to your yes you do it wirelessly if you wanted but if you [TS]

  connect your camera or some other card reader thing directly to your iPad then [TS]

  you could go on the road with just the iPad and the camera and do some useful [TS]

  work that's true that actually and you know I might use it for that I mean [TS]

  there are some trips where I bring my laptop now go to a conference I bring my [TS]

  laptop but I really don't usually need it for any kind of laptop a function [TS]

  that I can't serve just as well buy my iPhone or an iPad so you know I could [TS]

  see the value in having that they've they've had ever since the first iPad is [TS]

  sold the camera connection kit which has even been able to be in St card reader [TS]

  or a USB port which you can use the plugin also decreased if you think about [TS]

  but a surprising amount of driverless USB peripherals work on iPads with a [TS]

  camera connection kit and some even work on iPhones anyway so I could see that [TS]

  being being possible because the camera connection kit is is a [TS]

  fairly rarely sold accessory as far as I know that they've never seem to put a [TS]

  whole lot of effort into the the process and the capabilities of importing photos [TS]

  off the camera card into the photos Apple iPads so I don't know how how well [TS]

  it would work in practice I haven't try it next week and how it works and I also [TS]

  wouldn't expect you to do very well may 14 megapixel raw files that that's why [TS]

  usb3 speeds like that's the big thing lighting part mysteriously not those [TS]

  speeds and it's kind of a pain if you have taken that files and now with the [TS]

  iPad pro this part is capable I don't know how yet if they're not yet but it [TS]

  will be capable of USB 3 speeds and so that would really help I mean generally [TS]

  when it comes to light processing raw photos on something like an iPad the car [TS]

  is a lemon [TS]

  no I think the processing power of the devices limit because when you're [TS]

  president raw files you have to do the deed the reading and the JPEG conversion [TS]

  on on device it is never done for you and the cameras all have these really [TS]

  specialized image processors to do it in like you know how the apparel optimized [TS]

  way the computers are doing it generally you know on the CPU entirely or maybe [TS]

  with some light GPU help and it's it's a pretty slow process to do large Roy [TS]

  imports so I'm guessing that be much more useful for JPEG shooters or even in [TS]

  the raw + JPEG weirdos like I was briefly but 44 action for people [TS]

  shooting RAW who wanted to let you know a couple of quick imports to show [TS]

  somebody or preview or post to the social network I probably won't be [TS]

  useful for that but I'd love to try between wrong so maybe I'll try I mean I [TS]

  mean this distance thing says the file transfer and then there's the conversion [TS]

  even just for display purposes so if you can make the part where just copies the [TS]

  raw data directly on the card and onto the iPad faster than it gives you more [TS]

  time to spend with your slower CPU doing their own conversion for display anyway [TS]

  even if it's not just for photography the idea the lighting this is an open [TS]

  question is about is licking their back online part was made it like lightning [TS]

  how fast will go why did not use USB why did not change it to you is BC [TS]

  is it even possible to do usb3 speeds over lightning oh no you can't doesn't [TS]

  have enough pins because the usb3 connector has more pins than the [TS]

  contacts that are on the Lightning connector and this link in the show [TS]

  notes from someone who did a lot of you know investigation into lighting part [TS]

  backordered introduced this rainer a broader Hoffs blog and he has come back [TS]

  to talk about the lack of pins and citizen he came down to is that you [TS]

  don't need all the pains of a real USB thing because they have dedicated pins [TS]

  for the USB two speeds and lighting doesn't have to do that again [TS]

  multiplexing it's a look at home not doing USB two speeds or something else [TS]

  but we'll see it I think people who are doing tear downs on the iPad pro said [TS]

  they found two new look like two new connectors inside there so maybe the [TS]

  adapters will have extra contacts I don't know how to work while to wait [TS]

  till these adapters are introducing if they're already out I just haven't seen [TS]

  them yet so there's some fall for next week [TS]

  alright thanks let two or three sponsors this week [TS]

  Squarespace mail route an automatic and we'll see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  it was accidental and Marco [TS]

  I do very much want to talk to you but I think we're better off tonight talking [TS]

  about the iMac that's totally different [TS]

  alright so I'm not my computer to be clear the Mac Pro 2008 Mac Pro still [TS]

  here I'm speaking into it right now this is a replacement for my wife's 2011 [TS]

  MacBook Air which was getting long in the tooth in our photos couldn't fit [TS]

  anymore so we had an external SSD but it was only fire 800 and I was part of the [TS]

  reason I thought photos might have been slow and anyway [TS]

  done big fancy new iMac after hearing Marco report good things about his 2709 [TS]

  action as the new from your fancy a model with even nicer screen and she [TS]

  knows that she just wanted I magnin on freeway even as he took the MacBook Air [TS]

  how the room on a podcast so she could so use a computer without being here but [TS]

  they might still have the MacBook Air is just moved over to the other desperate [TS]

  using a Mac and like me a few things for me to report that I never really spent [TS]

  any time with markers I saw it and the ones in Astoria they've seen the [TS]

  temporary spending time with them from mine I decided to not max out the RAM I [TS]

  didn't do too much research into this but I just saw in the in the store [TS]

  configurator it said 16 gigs for like two dams and 32 easier for a pic 16 [TS]

  figuring that despite Mr Dempsey and up to 32 later that's not true don't tell [TS]

  me until four years from now when I find out what I should probably fine I got [TS]

  the biggest fastest GPU because whatever like I was going to buy the YouTube [TS]

  video fingers crossed this will actually not be something to do my kids can now [TS]

  play it by now seeing minecraft at non disgusting frame rates and I think I'm [TS]

  more impressed than they are but I think at the same time they're never going to [TS]

  use the plate on a MacBook Air again I don't blame them and I got the big [TS]

  terabyte St because I really want to fit everything on this thing instead of [TS]

  external drive which I still have but it's an enclosure that expire 800 so I [TS]

  also had two by the way by a lightning to Thunderbolt to firewire 800 out there [TS]

  so I could connect my chain of firewire 800 drives and everything but it's mine [TS]

  I'll have USB 3 hard drive that I can finally connect to actually use the [TS]

  report and I was one of the first things I noticed about this was I have a bus [TS]

  powered one terabyte like 2.5 inch USB 3 drive for a while and I decided I'm [TS]

  going to use this I was used as the clone drive for this year 10 a super [TS]

  duper clones and I kept finding that when the Mac would go to sleep and wake [TS]

  back up it would say this disc was not ejected properly bubble blower like it [TS]

  was unmounting itself somewhere along the line and that usually means I like [TS]

  it's being under powered by the bus and it's just you know not able to maintain [TS]

  the connection but then it comes back I don't understand it because it's not [TS]

  connected to a hub is directly connected to the computer and I have never had [TS]

  that problem than any other computers are connected this to but then again I [TS]

  haven't had it connected to other computers for really long period of time [TS]

  so I know if I have a broken drive if the ports in the back of the USB the [TS]

  iMac can supply enough power for this thing whatever it is that kind of [TS]

  annoyed me but i wanna talk about the thickness of external peripherals and [TS]

  right now Allen I only connected when I wanna do a clone which is a reasonable [TS]

  solution I suppose although I have a whole their drive at the end of the fire [TS]

  and change to do if you want to have an enclosure that I have bought like three [TS]

  of them now it's something like twelve dollars at City usb3 single disc 2.5 [TS]

  inch closer and its I had one of them would would do the exact same thing when [TS]

  it was on a really freaky USB hub that I used to have and so far this this [TS]

  enclosure to them that I bought have been perfect and for $12 it's been just [TS]

  as good as like the expensive ones I've gotten from OWC and stuff in the past [TS]

  that's what I had to do that I never considered because I knew that would [TS]

  work but even direct connect them a closely so I don't know anyway that's [TS]

  the main thing I noticed about this iMac off the bat [TS]

  is that the fan in all states it slowly noisier than I thought it would be [TS]

  forced to really even in the most I don't like nothing is happening on the [TS]

  computer I i download video that shows me the fan rpm like the lowest possible [TS]

  rpm I can still hear it more than I could hear the fan on the MacBook Air [TS]

  for two reasons one the MacBook Air was like back a little bit farther like it [TS]

  was kind of behind the monitor and to the left and to win the MacBook Air fan [TS]

  is like doing nothing [TS]

  it is a really quiet now the flip side of that is that you do anything to the [TS]

  MacBook Air the fan goes up to Super you know they can possibly go and sounds [TS]

  like a terrible angry hair dryer right so when iMac you can do way more before [TS]

  the fans start spinning up so overall it's probably benefit but every time I [TS]

  sit in front of a computer I keep thinking that the hard drives on cause I [TS]

  have something for guard that's going to this thing from a different backups and [TS]

  I don't leave them on all the time like actually unmount them and turn them off [TS]

  and you know like a hard drive and spinning make some noise mechanical hard [TS]

  drive I keep thinking that while if one of the drives on the nose just stupid [TS]

  fans think anybody thought my computer [TS]

  sign it's probably still choir than my 2008 Mac Pro though maybe not going that [TS]

  grows on the ground in early here that that is my one mild disappointment [TS]

  everything else about it is great screen looks great I don't even mind that weird [TS]

  looks actually kinda cool but they do see it from the edge sometimes for a [TS]

  while I kept thinking that the hinge was loose because it kept going to lay down [TS]

  this is my wife she could still take it down the night fighting over what the [TS]

  correct position is the screen but the more obvious a different types their [TS]

  photos is faster and is much faster than it was in my car and drive it is still [TS]

  slow and is still weird and buggy when I when I brought the library over you know [TS]

  how to top it off my external drive that took forever and throws really weird [TS]

  about I copied every single file over and photos was like I have sixty five [TS]

  thousand files to important like no you don't they're all there and so had to [TS]

  wait for like three days for it to convince himself that had all the files [TS]

  on it at some point it was like you don't [TS]

  have enough disk space I'm like how I don't have it you know I have plenty of [TS]

  space I'm not even like a quarter filled in this terabyte drive so photos is [TS]

  weird and does weird things and scared he sometimes but in the end I just let [TS]

  it stew for a long time it was fine I still haven't removed my most recent [TS]

  backup of my otha library so if this thing is lying to me I still have [TS]

  everything as like you know when I got the new iMac but that was a little [TS]

  tricky and boy copying the photo library in the Finder that took so long and was [TS]

  so terrifying [TS]

  there are so many files involved with that in the Finder gives you a little [TS]

  bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

  bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

  he wasn't half hour maybe with more than our preparing to copy not going to copy [TS]

  it's preparing to copy it's gotta count all the files and I don't know what it's [TS]

  doing to me it's free flying to make sure the spaces available like I should [TS]

  use the CPK man just start chopping things what do you like to use rsync for [TS]

  crying out loud [TS]

  flags on these things that make up the other metadata like no I have no idea [TS]

  what I was doing with the 411 be used to find it eventually did work remember I'm [TS]

  copping from as a city to SSD here so it's you know it's hot as fire r800 to [TS]

  internal SSD is not as a waiver spinning disk to send the heads-up play seeking [TS]

  all over there was terrifying it actually did work so yeah so far so good [TS]

  another file thing I can put this in here I spent like three days fighting [TS]

  with this damn computer that felt like I was going back in time there was 10 Time [TS]

  Machine spotlight we're just not happy time machine seemed happy in the [TS]

  beginning because it's like oh you know my name I could do the same as it was [TS]

  before I did migration as a sense like I told you this descriptor machines like [TS]

  you only get inherit the backups from the previous thing and I did because [TS]

  like basically that was you know I copy the hard drive over there yes please [TS]

  inherit the backup so I don't lose all my previous versions so it starts [TS]

  backing up to this thing and I told us to do that and I noticed that like [TS]

  spotlight in Time Machine we're just not ever finishing what they're supposed to [TS]

  be doing spotlight was always the you know seemingly indexing in the console [TS]

  is filling up with tons of like Mt worker errors and stuff like that and [TS]

  Time Machine would never actually complete a backup ever ever ever after [TS]

  several days this I spent a long time staring at the council and cooling for [TS]

  things and finding all these weird obscure errors and people are like oh [TS]

  just nuclear spotlight star and you know I did all the things you can imagine [TS]

  doing with them to you till like totally removing a thing disabling spotlight [TS]

  trying to let spotlight go first trying to buy time machine go first I don't [TS]

  know what their problem was but they were totally wage and neither one of [TS]

  them [TS]

  spotlight indexing when I complete in time she will not complete and I was [TS]

  very refreshing because I really can't basically sign off on the computer is [TS]

  ready for use until time machine is running really care that much about [TS]

  spotlight so I spent many days fighting with that and googling [TS]

  and eventually got the thing to go through what the hell was I don't [TS]

  remember what the problem was one of those things where it's not like there [TS]

  was no aha moment I you know if if you like Google for all these error messages [TS]

  you find a million hits on Apple's discussion boards of people the same [TS]

  problem sometimes they're benign sometimes people say list of things that [TS]

  for me nothing I found help me fix it eventually I just had to go to the old [TS]

  school kinda bugging room using like lsof and stuff to figure out who the [TS]

  hell has these files open and are they files that I can even delete or re- copy [TS]

  one of the solutions involved me deleting my old user account that had on [TS]

  that machine because spotlight isn't as indexing the files of the logged in user [TS]

  its indexing the files on by all the different users at the same time and [TS]

  some of the counselors you're saying you're not from the counter logged into [TS]

  and like 10 make sure you log into every account update the clock cloud stuff and [TS]

  I did that it didn't help the boy was one of the problems where every solution [TS]

  you find you're excited this is gonna be the thing that makes it and it doesn't [TS]

  but I did them up in a way I deleted my account from there which took with it a [TS]

  lot of files that apparently of the various spotlight metadata diamond [TS]

  importe things I can be working in the US where choking on badly and that led [TS]

  to progress and eventually spotlight and text anyone spotlight in next time [TS]

  machine worked and I just made me think that there's no way in hell that anybody [TS]

  could have successfully fix this if they didn't have the if they want a person [TS]

  who's willing to spend literally three days just googling and and cursing you [TS]

  googling and cursing and part of it is probably because like you know this is [TS]

  my gracious assistant and it's like an old account that maybe like had a bunch [TS]

  of weird crafty things in it from a long time ago but you know we're going to see [TS]

  you should just gonna clean so this is the first time I Gration assist system [TS]

  has steered me wrong and really I just blame it was followed her timesheet [TS]

  about for just not being more about us find their files up also isn't it weird [TS]

  that you can import their car causing AMD worker to crash just just move on [TS]

  just you know power through it like then don't index those but if an ironing [TS]

  understand why spotlighting time machines seem to Wed each other in this [TS]

  way because time machine should work without spotlight and vice versa but [TS]

  period so that was a bad sort of first couple days experience but eventually we [TS]

  did get into a steady state and now I have mounting back up so I had to [TS]

  finally expand my back up some nice analogy which by the way was nice and [TS]

  easy because I just got the added you know they don't have trouble reading had [TS]

  another drive to think but I just converted from the raid 1 raid 5 and so [TS]

  from two discs its rate and so got more space that all worked out so for the fan [TS]

  noise things going better for a second cause I my iMac is is almost inaudible [TS]

  and and the same is almost inaudible when it's when it's not doing that much [TS]

  and and really under any load accept a sustained heavy lift if I Hanbury or [TS]

  asked if his a-game running then you will hear the fans but in every other [TS]

  time I don't hear the fans at all so I'm curious now of course if you know if you [TS]

  had something like I start menu's installed by did I install the thing to [TS]

  see their family at 1200 rpm I can hear ok that's good that's as you say mine is [TS]

  idling at 1200 and is that loud like it's it's not a loud fan is just not [TS]

  inaudible [TS]

  I mean I'm surprised in a room that that that includes a Mac Pro is one thing we [TS]

  notice like if I went from two macros 22 IMAX and when you would turn off the [TS]

  iMac of them in the Mac Pro leaving the iMac behind it was clear as daylight [TS]

  when we only had one and one for like a day or two [TS]

  the difference was clear as day like that the the Mac Pro was so we always [TS]

  thought was quiet relatively speaking but it's so easily would mask the noise [TS]

  of the iMac yeah my macros asleep most of the time it does the closest thing to [TS]

  the iMac is the ps4 but it's also a sleep unless I was playing but really I [TS]

  can only hear that Mike when I'm sitting in front but that's one who knows me [TS]

  that sound oh it's a stupid again not loud at all but I just feel like it [TS]

  should be like the MacBook Air with literally inaudible when the computer is [TS]

  idle and you could hear it at all that was like I was grinding in the back row [TS]

  doing something like that and this is close to inaudible but not so it's not [TS]

  that big of a deal but it'd be nice if you just like they just need to put an [TS]

  even bigger lower rpms and it's not like you don't have room space to spread out [TS]

  big leave the fan blades turning it like you know hundred rpm go for it you can [TS]

  have it as you said you liked the thin edge you see from the side sometimes [TS]

  that's why that's why we can't have nice things done that we can have been quiet [TS]

  fans even with the thin and there's enough room for like a frisbee in their [TS]

  big screen and speaking that so like her computer is always the one that we had [TS]

  not sleeping cuz it was plugged into AC all the time and I was going to have one [TS]

  here that the wake all the time to sell you to go for a lot of that rolled her [TS]

  computer is always awake and with the iMac it was weird to see Nos 10 I don't [TS]

  know this is a new development of the handout IMAX for a while but like with a [TS]

  built-in screen computer there's not separate settings for display sleeping [TS]

  apparently there's one saying that says do you want me to prevent the computer [TS]

  from going to sleep when the display sleeps and there's one slide it says [TS]

  when should the display go to sleep I would like to say let's play go to [TS]

  sleeps 10 minutes computer go to sleep on our like you used to back in the [TS]

  olden days and how I can on my Mac Mac Pro other but you can tell you that the [TS]

  check box and I need to just looking to the peerless settings just changes [TS]

  though I wanted you can also you can set a hot corner to do immediate display [TS]

  sleep yeah and you just have a doubt I know it's just like I'm using the [TS]

  sliders that the way they used to be and I'm also known as some spooky behavior [TS]

  arcade like you leave the computer known such a nose doing anything and display [TS]

  will go off and whether it sleeping or not you come back a little later in this [TS]

  label beyond I've been sitting in the room I tap and I've been like plain [TS]

  destiny outlook over the screen turns unlike you turning on and you know wait [TS]

  for network access is off no weird USB hubs are attached the console is [TS]

  anything about what the thing is it's like did you wake up or did the screen [TS]

  and sometimes the screen just won't go you know that interval go by 15 mins ago [TS]

  by an ice cream monkey off so I've got my eye and it I'm sleep issues like I [TS]

  don't care cause is based on all the time anyway but you know what's going on [TS]

  there in forever that I know the issue you're talking about I've seen that in [TS]

  the past and other computers but I have never seen that either of our IMAX so I [TS]

  don't think it's a it's an issue with the iMac I think it's an issue with [TS]

  probably so maybe it's that weird USB device [TS]

  maybe maybe it's a plague enclosure the plug is that thing is unplugged so [TS]

  that's not a fair maybe the fire where the fire was just powered off I don't [TS]

  know anyway I gotta figure out how to make this thing happen MCM too much has [TS]

  happened once or twice and then one morning I can dance at the computer [TS]

  screen on so maybe was on all night anyway it's it's behaving now Windows [TS]

  computer can't sleep it's like when you too much chillin nearly 35 like you know [TS]

  your computer has so many windows it just it just keeps can't go to sleep my [TS]

  computer its her computer doesn't have that many things on it is only 50 she's [TS]

  someone does is one of the things that make that he remember when it came time [TS]

  to order this is going to the order configuration thing [TS]

  asked my wife if she wanted which math she wanted or if you want to try to [TS]

  measure trackpad and to my surprise you should she wanted to try to Magic [TS]

  Trackpad because she already had a mouse that you liked and we got the extended [TS]

  keyboard which is still in the box because she like they keep using your [TS]

  old ones that we have an extra now but anyway she picked a magic trackpad and [TS]

  not for me still like it's magic is that maybe I still use the mouse I'm not [TS]

  going to attract bad person so far remains to be seen if she will make the [TS]

  transition she's been trying it and messing around with that but I think if [TS]

  I look over there now I think the mouse is still next to the keyboards I think [TS]

  she liked the measure track that down and uses it and I don't know I can tell [TS]

  when you talk talk talk of the sound different mouse but anyway there's one [TS]

  in the house now and she was a curious enough to try but I don't know if it'll [TS]

  stick [TS]