460: Never Skip Neck Day
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 460. It's made possible by our sponsors, Vitaly, Squarespace, and Factor.
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My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.
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Hello, my name is Mike Hurley and I'm joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Hello, it's me. Hi.
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How is everybody?
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Tired because it's way too hot.
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Oh, what are you dealing with over there?
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Typically around 40 degrees Celsius.
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Yeah, and it's been like this for two weeks.
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I will agree Federico, that is too hot.
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I'm very low energy during the day.
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Are you having, like is this abnormal for this time of year or what?
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Well, yes, yes. It is slightly...
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Oh, storms and wildfires again. Oh no.
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Yeah, so in Italy there's this problem right now of this crazy storms,
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unlike almost hurricane level storms in northern Italy.
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It's been causing all kinds of destruction up north, even in Milan a couple of nights ago,
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and wildfires in southern Italy, which is also very bad.
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And here in central Italy, where I am in Rome, it's just hot.
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And thankfully the fancy AC system that I have now, like, makes it very nice to spend time at home.
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But as soon as you go outside, and I mean I need to go outside to do stuff,
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it's just exhausting after a while.
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But I don't want to complain too much, and I gotta say this on the show,
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I don't want to complain too much, because as much as it is hot and I'm kind of low energy,
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I'll still take this over the winter season, anytime.
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Like, anytime. At least it's not raining, it's not cold.
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You know, I can't stand people who are like, "Oh man, I love when it rains."
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No, what is wrong with you? You know, what is wrong with you? Nobody loves the rain.
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Do people love when it rains?
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Yes, some people say that. And they're liars. And they're wrong.
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I think I would take that over the 40 degrees, because I wouldn't like that,
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but it's not because I love the rain. I just don't want the 40 degrees.
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But I wouldn't say like, "Oh, I love when it's cold and raining." I don't feel that way.
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Let's start with some follow-up. I went back to Dropbox. I'm sorry, I ever tried leaving.
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Who are you apologizing to?
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Dropbox. Do you think they're listening?
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I don't remember you leaving. I know we had that conversation,
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but I felt like the conversation was very resounded in like, "No, I'm going to stick with Dropbox."
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I feel like this all happened in your head, or you did it and you didn't tell us.
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No, I'd taken everything off of Dropbox, or a lot of things off of Dropbox, and put them in documents.
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Oh, because it wasn't syncing.
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Right, yeah.
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Because it had like freaked out, but now it's all back in Dropbox. It took four days to sync.
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So I'm also apologizing to Comcast, I guess, but life is good again.
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Oh, just like Jeeps.
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Life is good. That's what it says on the back of the Jeep, right?
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Oh, that's true. You know my wife has like an unrational hatred of that brand?
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I do know that.
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Like you think...
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Yep, I do know that.
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It's very funny.
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This is very interesting. So she hates the brand Jeep.
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No, no, no, not Jeep. No, there's a brand called Life is Good.
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Which is a terrible brand name.
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Which is terrible. And people who drive Jeeps often have Life is Good paraphernalia on their Jeeps.
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Why is that? Why did these things go together?
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They're not related, right?
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No, just people... If you're a Jeep person, you have a Life is Good thing on the back.
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So look, on their homepage, they have two dudes standing next to the back of a Jeep, and it's got a Life is Good tire cover on it.
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The tire covers are very... They seem to be the thing that I see all the time.
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We talked about watchOS 10 and the dock and like the double click thing, and now I'm just confused as to what this watch on my wrist actually does.
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So Darren wrote in to say, "I think you guys are missing the boat when saying that by getting rid of the dock to show your favorite apps,
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Apple has taken away a quick way to get to your favorites.
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Instead, with the new grid view, like one tap on the crown, that's not new, that list view has been there forever.
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But if you double click on it, you can have your favorites at the top.
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That doesn't seem to work. I can't drag them around. So Federico, do you know what's happening here?
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This is the thing that Federico was telling us about. At the top of the honeycomb, they just put your apps there.
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So the honeycomb...
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Yeah, so the honeycomb has been slightly tweaked, right, in watchOS 10. It doesn't start in the center of the honeycomb anymore.
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It starts at the top and all the icons are placed so that you can just scroll from top to bottom.
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You don't have to pan around like before.
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So the thinking is, you're missing your favorites, just pin them to the top of the honeycomb.
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And in theory, this is the part I mentioned, and it was not working for me.
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In theory, watchOS 10, when it launches, it should automatically migrate your dock favorites from watchOS 9 into icons placed at the top of the honeycomb in watchOS 10.
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Right? So that should happen for people at some point in September.
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I still think that, OK, that's one way to go about it. I still think that the dock was a better design, you know, with the thumbnails.
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And it's bigger and, you know, you see, you get more on screen than a bunch of tiny icons to choose from.
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So, yeah, you can do this in watchOS 10 if you want to, and the system will do that migration for you.
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I still feel like icons are not as good as the old dock view from watchOS 9.
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So I just switched to mine and it has all four of the clock related things next to each other.
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Stopwatch, timer, world clock and alarms.
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But I don't know what is what because all these icons look the same.
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That's one of the problems.
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OK, I'm going to try this.
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I turned off the honeycomb view years ago, so I think that's where I was confused.
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I'm going to give this another shot and see what happens.
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There's zero way that this is better. Like, there is no way that this is better.
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Yeah, it's not better.
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Because here's the thing. I also don't want to use the honeycomb view. So now what?
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Right? Like, I don't want to do that because I don't like that UI. I think that is bad UI.
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I can never find one I'm looking for. Like, this is that thing of, like you just said about the clock icons.
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I know the word timer. I can never remember which one of the four clock icons is the timer just by looking at them.
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Because they're like four orange clocks. This is like, this isn't helpful.
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And so like, this is not better. It's so much worse. Like, just because they have an affordance, it's still a poor one.
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And the double click is your most recent apps, which is kind of useful, but the dock was better.
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OK, now I understand. I've been very confused about this for a week.
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OK, we spoke about the portable HomePod mini situation. This came up in the Relay FM Slack.
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And our friend Marco pointed out that some Amazon Echo models are actually designed for battery stands out of the box.
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Like, they had one that had some sort of like pogo pin arrangement on the bottom, and it had a quarter 20.
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So you could like screw this particular Amazon Echo into a battery base made by another company, like from the beginning, designed for that.
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So that is pretty cool. And I wouldn't mind seeing Apple explore that a little bit.
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Like, are there ways to make a more portable HomePod product?
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I mean, because like the stand thing that you pointed out, like I've got one now too, like it's fine.
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But it would be cool if Apple sort of accounted this for in the design of the product, I guess.
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For sure. Here's an idea. MagSafe for the HomePod mini.
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That'd be sweet.
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Just at the bottom, you attach it. They're never going to do it.
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I don't think it's the kind of product that Apple wants to make, but still it'd be pretty nice to have.
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I forgot about the Echo with the mouth hole in it.
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The Echo Studio.
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Remember, remember I had them for like a week last fall and then I returned them on Amazon.
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They were weird.
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That doesn't sound like you.
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Yeah, that's me. That'd be me trying things and returning them. Yes.
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Oh, I think they got a new version. It's got buttons on the top.
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It's a thing.
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They're just rearranging stuff. I feel like the Echo. OK, this is my theory that I just came up with.
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The Amazon Echo product line is kind of like the iPod Nano used to be. They have to refresh it every year,
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but some years they don't know what to do. So they put a mouth hole in it or they add buttons or they take buttons away.
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That sort of thing.
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Just to make it look different.
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Maybe they'll make one that you can strap onto your wrist.
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I think the mouth hole has a specific purpose. It's base, right?
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Yeah, but I mean, they do do weird ones like now they have the Echo Pop. Have you seen this one?
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What is the Echo Pop?
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It is just really small and it's in colors.
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So like, I do agree with your theory. They just like can't stop making them.
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Like they just they just keep making them.
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It's just like it's got a slightly different shape. I don't really know what else. It's like cheaper maybe.
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I don't know.
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I totally missed the news of the existence of a HomePod Pop of Echo Pop.
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I mean, it wouldn't be hard to miss because they have so many of them.
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There's a lavender one.
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Do you remember remember when they did the microwave with the Amazon voice assistant in it?
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Did you guys know or remember that they make Echo sunglasses?
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They make audio sunglasses with Alexa inside.
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I remember that.
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They need to just chill. They're on the second generation of these.
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Yeah. Who's buying them?
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I don't know. No one.
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No one is buying them, right?
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They make two versions of earphones? Like earbuds?
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They made a second version of the Echo Auto, which I had no idea that was still a thing.
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Like the car accessory. They're on version two of that now, apparently.
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A lot of new cars have the Amazon voice assistant built in now to like manage in-car stuff, which is pretty wild.
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I still have my one Echo in the living room and I still use it on a regular basis.
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And I still cannot believe that Apple is not doing multiple languages for the HomePod.
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I think it's wild that they can do multiple languages with the keyboard.
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And they have a actually very, very good multilingual keyboard.
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Google is doing multi-language assistance.
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Amazon is doing multi-language in Alexa and Apple is not.
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I think it's wild that they're so behind on that particular front.
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That is literally the only reason why I'm forced to use an Echo.
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Otherwise, I would just, you know, take it, give it to somebody else, give it to my mom or sell it or whatever, and put a HomePod there.
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Like I would immediately do it, but I can't.
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Saying about, this is a slight left turn, you said about the keyboard.
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And it made me remember a thing that I think I've noticed and I just wondered if you'd noticed it or if you have any thoughts about it.
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So the new keyboard does the prediction, right? I really like it.
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It predicts all the next words for me.
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It seems like it doesn't do this if you use swipe typing.
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I don't use swipe typing.
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This is an information that I have noticed.
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And I'm letting you know, because you're probably in the world where you're collecting pieces of information.
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I feel like when I'm swipe typing, it doesn't do any suggestions of words that are coming next.
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I've yet to see it and I use it quite a lot.
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Not exclusively, like I use both like typing out words and also swipe typing words.
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And I have yet to see a like word suggestion, like one of those like greyed out word suggestions in swipe typing.
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Very interesting.
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I'm saving a note for myself.
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Something to check out.
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Suggestions do not work with swipe typing.
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This is live notes for the review.
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What app did that go into?
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Yeah, what app did that go into?
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Notes for now.
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Yeah, I'm still in the note taking phase.
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I haven't written anything yet.
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So very different schedule, very different vibe this summer.
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Friend of the show, Dan Seifert from The Verge wrote in to say that he really likes his dbrand leather skin for you, Stephen.
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Yeah, Dan's a real leather daddy, it looks like.
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Okay, we're going with that.
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I'm sure he wants you to just keep talking about that.
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I'm sure Dan is really happy about that.
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Yeah, go for it.
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So I think I'm going to try it on the next phone.
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I mean, I'll upgrade this fall and I think I'll give this a shot then.
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So I'll report back, I guess, in the fall.
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Very exciting.
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We spoke last time about iOS 17 betas and battery health.
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We felt like some of us were seeing big drop offs after installing the betas or maybe because of cases or MagSafe charging.
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We asked for feedback.
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We got like a bajillion responses.
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I read all of it and it's all over the place.
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So a lot of people have dropped multiple percentage points in their battery health since installing the beta.
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That seems fast to me.
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So I wonder if there's something in iOS 17 that has changed the way that they factor that.
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Like, do you remember way back in the day, they're like, "Oh, the phone doesn't drop bars.
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Our algorithm was wrong."
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So they changed it.
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Maybe it's one of those type situations.
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It could be.
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That's a very good point.
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Or is it another one of those battery gates?
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Are we going to find out that they've been under reporting battery health on us again?
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You know, we're going to be plunged back into that hellscape.
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Can you imagine?
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This feature is here because you got into trouble about batteries and you messed up the feature.
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I will say that I'm at 92% now and I think I was at 93% last week.
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So that's a percentage point a week.
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So by September, you're going to be at 85 just in time for a new phone.
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It's going exactly as planned.
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But not everyone running the betas has seen this.
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So I don't know.
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Some people say they blame MagSafe or a case.
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Some people don't.
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Like I said, it was all over the place.
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But there are definitely people who have seen big drop-offs.
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So my gut feeling is like there's something here that's changed about this or it's a bug in 17.
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These numbers aren't as bad as they look.
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But I don't--I can't say for sure.
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It feels like something is going on.
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And the battery life in these betas is not very good.
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And the phones are hot all the time.
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To me, this just feels like an open and closed situation, right?
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My phone is hot constantly.
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I'm convinced that it's having an effect on it.
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But I'm not mad about it because I shouldn't have put the beta on if I wanted things to be normal.
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I feel like this is an agreement that we all come to.
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If I'm going to do this, weird things are going to start happening.
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And maybe it's destroying my battery.
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But that's kind of the price I'm paying.
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But the thing is, we're now at beta 4.
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And we're going to talk about it shortly.
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And usually by beta 4, the phone is not getting that warm at this point in the beta season.
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Yes, the phones are still getting warm and the battery life is still not great.
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I wonder what's going on.
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Maybe I need to restore my phone.
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No, no, no, we're not getting into that.
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I've got a ghost in the machine now.
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There's nothing I can do about it.
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I kind of wonder if maybe some of the new machine learning stuff they're doing, you know, with Spot.
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Turns out the keyboard is destroying the battery.
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That could be, right?
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That could be.
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Battery GPT.
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Every text you send is like 0.01% of your battery health.
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The noisy group chat, it's just like you just destroy your phone in a day.
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I think, honestly, I think beta 4 is worse than 3 so far in this regard.
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It's only been, what, a day?
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But my battery life yesterday was abysmal.
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The keyboard is better just typing on the iPhone.
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There were a lot of keyboard related bugs before.
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That part got better in beta 4.
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I don't think anything else did.
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And also, like, and I mean this sort of speaks to, no, I'm going to say this later.
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So put a pin in this dot for later.
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Yeah, we're going to come back to that.
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Real quick, I just want to invite you to help the Relay FM back office shape the co-founder quiz.
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We have a podcast-a-thon coming up very soon.
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We're going to announce dates for that in a couple weeks, but it's coming quickly.
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And Kathy and others are working on the annual quiz.
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So there is a Google Form link in the show notes.
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If you have suggestions about, if you have suggestions for questions that should be in the quiz,
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go fill out that form.
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Go help them out.
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We would appreciate it.
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What we're looking for here is esoteric trivia about Relay FM.
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That's what we're looking for.
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It's not like what's Steven's favorite color.
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It's like this is trivia about the history of the network usually.
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So they're the kinds of questions.
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So the pin that I saved before about iOS 17 Beta 4, which just came out as developer beta yesterday,
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I assume we're getting a public beta, well, maybe not today, but next week.
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I think they're still probably doing them a couple of days after or the week after.
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My thought so far is that in previous years, Beta 3 and Beta 4 had more changes and additions to the original release from June
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than what we are seeing this year in iOS 17.
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And it does not surprise me, given that Apple is so focused on the Vision Pro and Vision OS.
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So I think what we saw in June is pretty much what we're getting in September, probably even less,
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because they're going to punt some features to later in the iOS 17 cycle.
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But basically the thought that I had was, yeah, I was expecting more changes, tweaks, additions,
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and we got very, very, very minimal stuff so far.
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And I'm good with it. I'm not complaining. I'm good with it. It's just a change that I noticed from previous years.
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There's stuff that's not in the beta as yet, like being able to put stickers as tapbacks.
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And it's not going to be in 17.
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Yeah, that's coming later this year.
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Why? What's the limitation there? That's very strange. I must have missed that. I don't know how I missed that.
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Yeah, I think I told you on the show and you didn't react. I was like, yeah, maybe it doesn't care.
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Maybe I didn't understand what that meant. I don't know.
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Yeah, they said that's coming later this year. So in theory, 17.1, Stephen even said maybe they want to do like with emoji.
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And you just said nothing. Maybe you were thinking about something.
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What show was this?
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Unconnected.
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Oh, I know the podcast. Was it when we did the live show, when we were like together?
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No, no, no. It was like last week or two weeks ago.
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Maybe I was too busy thinking about pranks. I don't know.
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Yeah, maybe, maybe. Maybe everybody was like, yeah, Mike's gonna say, he's gonna react to this news.
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Everyone was waiting. I let everyone down.
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Mike is going to be so upset.
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I'm going to write a public apology and screenshot in Apple Notes.
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You should write an apology for not being upset enough when the world was waiting for you to be upset.
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You did nothing.
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I just stood by.
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When the world was waiting for your anger, you just stood silent.
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Why is Mike not talking about this?
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Yeah, literally you become the meme.
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So anyway, Beta 4. All right, three things I want to point out.
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The first one, the weird app picker menu, you know, the giant one in the messages app.
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Those icons that we've seen in iOS 17 Beta 1, 2, and 3, they were kind of strange, you know,
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kind of a different style from the typical Apple iconography.
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I think people need to get off their friggin' high horses about this.
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Interesting.
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Oh, it looks like Facebook.
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Like, just chill out.
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Facebook is used by like billions of people.
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Like if they take some UI design from Facebook Messenger, that's not the worst thing in the world.
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Look, all it took was to tell him that he didn't get upset enough.
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Yeah, I know. Now I'm getting really upset.
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How dare you?
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But also, I do think there is a regression here though, which I'm kind of mad about.
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So like in the previous one, the little photos thing shows you a preview of your last image.
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And now it's just the crappy photos icon.
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I want the image.
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Counterpoint, counterpoint, counterpoint.
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I see what you mean, but for consistency and for being able to see at a glance,
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what's better, to have a preview of your latest photo that's always changing,
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or a photos icon that is always the same?
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I mean, the word photos does a decent job of telling me that, but I know, I get your point.
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I get your point.
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No, no, I get your point, but...
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I could go either way, and I kind of liked the idea, but I guess that's what Apple is thinking.
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I can, you know, I agree that like, I can see both sides of that.
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They've chosen this one.
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At least it is visually consistent because none of the others change, right?
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Every time you open it.
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But I do think it is very strange to me that people are so mad about this design,
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and like refer to Facebook all the time.
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It's just very, like, I don't know what's so wrong about this UI anyway that makes people mad.
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Like, it's just like a picker.
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So, yeah, it's a bigger context menu than what we're used to seeing from Apple.
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The thing I will say, it is especially huge on the iPad.
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Oh, I haven't tried that.
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Take it down a notch, maybe, you know, you tap on this thing, it's like,
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"Ooh, just got this giant menu." It's like, "Okay, I get it.
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You want me to pick things from this menu?"
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On the iPhone, I think it's fun.
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I like the animation that they added in this beta when you open and dismiss the menu.
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It sort of pops back into the plus button.
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I think that's very nicely done.
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I do kind of wish, though, that it was a little bit more like Path, you know?
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Yeah, dude, yes.
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The thing that I don't like about it, and I would say this is way worse in light mode than dark mode,
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is in dark mode, it doesn't really feel like it takes over your screen as much.
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I feel like it's the same amount of information density as in light mode,
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but I think it is visually more appealing in dark mode than it is in light mode.
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But I don't think it needs to cover the entire screen in the way that it does.
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But just overall, I'm fine with the UI, personally,
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and also it is significantly better when and what it replaced,
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so I kind of just take your wins and losses.
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We finally got rid of that ridiculous button that you had to press twice to get your images
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because you never pressed the right one, you know what I mean?
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Also, in iPadOS 17 Beta 4,
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we now have favicons for your favorites in the Safari Favorites bar,
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which is an excellent change, in my opinion, at least.
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You can disable these in settings.
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I just like the fact that you now have a touch of color here and there in your Safari Favorites.
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So at least for me, easier to find my favorites at a glance.
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And again, you can go into Settings and turn off these icons
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if you don't want to see them in the Safari toolbar at the top of the screen.
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Because these are in tabs, right? But they weren't in the favorites.
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They were in tabs before, but they were not in favorites.
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Now you can have them in your favorites too.
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And lastly, the Shortcuts widget.
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In theory, this was working for some people before,
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but for a lot of people, the Shortcuts widget, especially on the iPad,
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it just never appeared, this Excel version.
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Now there is an Excel-sized, the huge one, basically, Shortcuts widget for iPad.
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I think I'm going to have fun with this.
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Probably not as much as Matthew Casanelli. I can already imagine Matthew.
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He responded to your post saying, "I have once again gone off the deep end."
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Yeah, I can only imagine like 20 home screens all made of Excel Shortcuts widgets.
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So this is 16 actions, right, it looks like?
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-16? Yeah. -Yeah, 4x4.
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4x4. No, it should be more than that, right?
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Yeah, it is 4x4, because they're not square. They're the rectangular ones.
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I thought it was more. Still, it's 4x4.
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It is Excel-ent.
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Sometimes I wonder why we put up with you, Stephen.
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Yeah, there's that widget.
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Look, you even suggested it as a title. Your own joke.
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You gotta play the game, man.
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Yeah, but if you suggest it as a title, that is you thinking nobody else will.
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So are you really that proud of your joke at that point?
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So, closing thoughts so far on this beta season.
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Phones are getting hot, batteries are not lasting as much.
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iPad is going fine, I think, would be my conclusion so far.
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They fixed what they wanted to fix with Sage Manager. I'll take it.
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Could still be improved, yes, but we're not gonna get that this year.
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And I feel like it's gonna be relatively simple, speaking of my state with the review.
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I had this feeling in June. I think it's gonna be a pretty easy and fun one.
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There were more challenging years, for sure.
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And not even speaking of last year, but what was it, two or three years ago with Safari always changing?
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Now that was tough to handle.
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Or even just years that had more features, right?
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They're just challenging because there's just more to cover.
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I think we said this last month, sort of grab bag style of a release, which is fine.
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Totally fine. It's actually pretty fun. There's some really fun things.
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And I haven't played around with the airdrop features at all.
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I think I'm gonna convince Silvio to just install the public beta at some point.
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But yeah, I think this should be a pretty easy one to handle.
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Standby still rules.
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Standby is great.
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Standby rules is a fantastic feature.
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And one final thing I'll say, and take this as you will.
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I have filed, I believe, around 20 feedback items.
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And I followed the unspoken, unwritten, I guess, rule of the feedback filer.
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Which is I filed my feedbacks before beta 2.
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Everybody's like, "Oh, make sure you get your feedbacks in because it really matters."
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And that was a good chunk of my time to do that.
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And I didn't because it's the right thing to do.
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Not a single one of those feedback items has been addressed.
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Sometimes I wonder, does it even matter really to file those feedbacks in June and to rush to get them in?
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Does it even make a difference? Right?
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Well, the counterpoint is I got the reminders badge fixed last year.
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So it counts overdue and today.
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That was a feedback and admittedly a blog post.
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Wait, wasn't that a feedback that you filed because you spoke about it on a show and someone told you to file the feedback?
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I don't think someone told me to. I filed a feedback, we talked about it, and I wrote a blog post.
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But was it in the first weeks after WWDC?
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I think I did it at WWDC.
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I don't know, man.
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I guess, again, this year they're doing all the Vision Pro stuff, which we're going to talk about.
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The Vision Labs, the developer kits.
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It is a different year for sure, but just as a piece of information, none of the 20, almost, feedback items I've filed have gone addressed.
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And I don't know, I kind of feel like it was useless.
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That's how I'm feeling.
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And I hope that it wasn't, but it kind of feels like that.
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Speaking of the Vision Pro, so they announced a bunch more information.
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So I think more details about things we knew were coming.
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The developer kits are coming soon.
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You can put in an application right now to get a developer kit.
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We'll put a link in the show notes to James Thompson.
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He, I believe James applied for one, and took a screenshot of the terms, the things that you have to do, which are just incredible about what you're agreeing to.
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It's like that nobody else in your life or at your work will be able to see this thing and you'll keep it locked in a room.
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And if you go on holiday, you have to contact Apple so you can work out where you're supposed to put it.
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And there's a Pelican case and you've got to lock it in the Pelican case.
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It's just like a whole thing. It's incredible.
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It's just a great thing to read.
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And developer labs, this is where you as a developer can go to an Apple building, campus somewhere,
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and take your app and try it out and have people from Apple look at it and guide you a little bit.
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It'll begin next week in London and Cupertino.
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That's way faster than I thought it would be.
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Yes. It's just like, oh, you want to?
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Like they announced it on Monday and the next, and I think the first one is next Monday.
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So if you were sitting around and waiting before getting work on your Vision Pro app, that was a bad idea.
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Maybe they're also doing something they're calling compatibility evaluations.
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That sounds like a severance type of thing.
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A little bit, yeah. It really does.
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Please, we welcome you for your compatibility evaluation. Please step in.
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So there's a checklist that you're supposed to do, and then you can submit an application for compatibility evaluation.
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So Apple will look at the app and evaluate it on Vision Pro,
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and then you'll get an evaluation back within a few weeks with anything that they have found.
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It's first come, first serve, so if you can't travel to one of these things and you don't get a developer kit,
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there is still a way for Apple to take a look at this.
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And I get the sense from reading this it's going to be more than just like what the App Store does.
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This feels like you're going to get logs back and screen captures back.
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So they really are going to spend some time with these, I hope.
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And I think it's a cool fallback if you can't make one of the other two things work for you.
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Well, I expect there's like a scale thing, right?
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For each developer kit, there's ten places at a developer lab.
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For each developer lab, there's ten compatibility evaluations. You know what I mean?
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They can do more of those than they can do with the other things.
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So even if you want to make it but you don't get a spot,
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this is at least a way to send something to Apple and have somebody take a look at it and give you some guidance.
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It feels collaborative in a sense.
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Which is really cool. I'm glad they're doing it.
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And clearly Apple wants these apps to be as good as possible.
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The question is, is this the time that we announce our app for Vision OS?
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The grand return of the 123 brand.
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And what would be the point though?
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It's not like you could talk about it though, right? You just have it.
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Yeah, but you know, we'd have it.
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Yeah, yeah. What I'm really keen on, and I don't know how long it will take to get this information,
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is in what state is this hardware when it arrives at developers?
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Like, what's the operating system? What has it got in it?
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You know what I mean? Like, can you use Safari?
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Can you use Messages?
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Does it actually have the full thing?
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Can you log in with your iCloud account and just use it?
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Because the simulator is pretty full of things, right?
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Is it going to be running the simulator?
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Or will it only allow you to run your application and any dependencies that are needed for that?
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I'm really keen to find that information out.
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Someone will. Someone might not tell us, but someone's going to tell someone, right?
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That's how these things always go.
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There are rules. People break the rules.
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the same as literally every single time this has happened in history, right?
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But, yeah, I'm very keen to understand that.
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And I'm sure...
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I have no doubt that this is going to be a very complicated thing from Apple's perspective,
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because every developer will be requesting one of these, right?
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Why would you not?
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I do hope that Apple make some concessions for maybe some developers
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to be able to talk about their experiences a little bit, though.
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I'm going to use Underscore as the example here, right?
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Just because we know him, and Underscore does a great job of communicating his experiences of being a developer.
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But if he was able to get a DTK, or just a developer kit, there's no T in this one, right?
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There's nothing to transition from. A DK. A Donkey Kong.
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If he was to get a Donkey Kong, then I think it would benefit Apple for some developers
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to be able to talk about their experience of using it in the same way that they had people from the media go and try it, right?
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And talk about it.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, do you remember way back in the day that the whole SDK was under an NDA?
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So iOS developers couldn't even talk to each other. It was so dumb, and they eventually got rid of it.
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I agree with you. This should be a thing that people can do.
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You could word it in such a way of, like, you can talk about what the software experience is like,
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but you can't talk about the hardware. I think that would be fine, because it's kind of no different to the simulator, right?
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In that way, yeah. I just think it would behoove them, if they want to encourage developers,
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to be able to at least have some developers who are blessed in a way, to be able to talk about their experience in public with the developer kit.
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It's an exceptionally rare thing, in life or in business, that you get a second chance to make another big impression.
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X CEO? That's funny to say that out loud.
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X CEO? Current X CEO?
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Linda Yaccarino everybody.
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I have never heard so much baloney.
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This is, you know what this feels like Federica? I think you'll get this.
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This feels like a monologue that someone in a Horizon game would say.
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This sounds like a video game monologue.
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None of this even sounds real.
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This sounds like an NPC in Horizon giving you directions for a side quest.
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But it's like some fake keynote.
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It sounds like someone's putting, you know, there's Steve Jobs in it, right?
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Like, oh, we're going to do like a black background and we're standing on a plate.
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It's an exceptionally rare thing.
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And it's so fake poetic.
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Like you're literally talking about Twitter is now called with the letter X.
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Like I don't even know where to begin with the stupidity of all of this.
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And they haven't gotten to make a second.
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Like they've just decided that they're going to rebrand the company.
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It's not like this came to them.
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It's not like, oh, we've been blessed by the gods of X to take upon the mantle of this, of this huge mission.
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What you've done, what you've done is you've taken Twitter and you've swapped a bird logo for a letter X.
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And now suddenly you're changing the world.
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And you've like halfway done it.
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You've like halfway, you've like only half like actually done a rebrand.
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But this rebrand is now apparently meaning that you're going to become a payments and banking platform.
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You want to give your money to Elon Musk, you know, to see it.
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This is true.
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Like he has done so many like ridiculous things, right?
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From a business perspective with this company.
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This is the biggest one, right?
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Like I feel like this has got to take the cake of like the most ridiculous business decision that he has made as the owner of Twitter.
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It's like this, this doesn't make any, there is zero sense to this.
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This makes no sense.
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Like why, why would you take like the one piece of value that Twitter actually had was its brand and just get rid of it?
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For such a bad brand like X as so bad, like it's not, it's unbelievable.
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It feels like a joke that's been taken too far.
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It feels like we are in a prank.
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I think this is what I feel like.
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I feel like I'm watching this from a distance because I'm not using Twitter anymore.
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But whenever I hear these updates from Twitter, I just feel like it's some kind of performance art piece at this point.
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This is what it feels like to me.
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It feels like, hey, how far can, is he the richest man in the world?
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I don't even know.
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How far can a rich guy take this joke until people stop paying attention to him?
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He's talked about this for a long time.
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Going back to the acquisition phase of all of this, I think it's clear that he wants to take Twitter and use it as a base to like rebuild WeChat for the rest of the world.
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That quote that Mike so wonderfully read, that sounds like the pitch for WeChat, right?
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It's going to be social and payments and everything all together.
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It's a thing he can't do, no matter what he wants to do.
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I don't think anyone would really strictly trust it.
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And no regulator would allow it.
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No American regulator is going to allow him to build WeChat or how WhatsApp is in India.
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That's what he's going for.
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That's not going to happen.
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It's just not, no one's going to allow this.
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But it doesn't even matter if they did because who would trust this company with their money, like their actual money?
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Like, oh yeah, I want to get the X debit card.
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Like, no, I'm not going to, like, who's going to do this?
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Honestly, here's what I say.
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If you would, then good luck to you, right?
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Like you should give him your money.
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If you out there would trust Elon Musk with your money in this way, then you should give it to him.
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Yeah, I saw someone on Threads the other day.
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I forget who it was. If it was you, forgive me.
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But it was like, everybody gets your bank account information ready for the X relaunch.
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It's like, oh no, don't do that.
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That's incredible.
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I mean, I guess he thinks that he can build this on top of the social graph that is Twitter.
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But he's burned a lot of that social graph to the ground.
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And the people who are still there who aren't like journalists or sports people, right?
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Just like regular people.
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Some of them will be super into this, right?
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Because he does have fans and they'll be up for this.
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Other people, you know, who are hanging out and giving him eight bucks a month or whatever.
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But you can't build what he called in a Twitter reply to somebody the world's most valuable platform.
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At this point with what's left of this thing.
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Just bananas.
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It's just like I struggle to follow the decision making process, right?
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There is none.
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Like, I know you were very right to point out Steven.
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He has been talking about this the entire time, right?
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And like, fine, if that's what you have ambition to building.
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But why would you rebrand the company in such a haphazard way then?
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Right? Like if you really wanted to go with X, right?
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Because I know that this has been like his thing forever, right?
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He's always loved X.
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Fine, right?
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But why not actually just do it then?
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Like why like crowdsource a logo and then like just change the logo.
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But like, is it called X or is it called Twitter?
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Like, can anyone actually answer that question?
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Like, I feel like I don't know.
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Like, what is the...
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I think he says X.
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Right, but it still says Twitter everywhere and the app is still called Twitter.
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So like, does Twitter part of X?
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You can't rebrand an entire app on a Sunday with four employees.
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It takes some time. Give them a break.
00:48:05
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But like, but that, I know, that is my point though, right?
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Of like, if this was his like plan, it wasn't a very well thought out plan.
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No, it wasn't.
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And like, I genuinely feel like at the moment, he is doing all of these things just to get people to log on to Twitter, right?
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Like, he just wants people to log on.
00:48:25
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So he just keeps doing things that are more and more extreme to get people to log on.
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Like, the rate limiting thing was that because people wanted to log on to see what would happen to them, right?
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And then like, now this is it.
00:48:40
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Like, oh, everyone wants to go check Elon Musk's Twitter account, like log in because you have to log in to look at it.
00:48:45
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So you can see like at what point is he going to drop the logo, right?
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And so like, how far does this go? Does he delete Twitter to get people to log on to Twitter?
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Like, where does this end?
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It ends with, you know, what he's going to do next.
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If you don't tweet in a specific number of months, you're going to get your account deleted automatically.
00:49:12
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I think that, yeah, you know what, that probably will happen.
00:49:15
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It's going to do that.
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David in the Discord post, I saw it today, like that, you know, brands have the gold checkmark to keep that now and keep your, like, for them to not allow people to impersonate you.
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You have to spend $1,000 or more in ads a month.
00:49:32
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Oh, yeah. See?
00:49:33
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So there's already some kind of threat going on at this point.
00:49:39
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Yeah, it's certainly going to delete accounts from people who don't tweet.
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Like, our accounts, our accounts, they're going to go.
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They're going to go. They're just going to go.
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And let it, I don't care. Like, let it go. I don't care.
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Maybe I should just go delete it myself.
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So I don't even give him the same sanction.
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You're not breaking up with me. I'm breaking up with you.
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It's not me. It's you.
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They also took the @x handle.
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It belonged to a photographer named Gene Wang, and they just took it.
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They've done that forever, though, man.
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Like, that was a thing that was happening before Musk.
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Like, some brand would come along and they'd be like, "Oh, here you go."
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Yeah, I mean, and if you had a short handle, like, you would have problems all the time.
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The company, this is a quote from a TechCrunch article by Sarah Perez.
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In a letter, the company, formerly known as Twitter, thanked Wang for his loyalty
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and offered him a selection of X merchandise and a tour of X's HQ as a quote, "reflection of our appreciation."
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What is the merchandise? Show me the merch, Elon. I want to see it.
00:50:51
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Well, you know, he took all the Woke T-shirts out of the office. Maybe they just rebranded those, too.
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I just hope the tour gets past the police tape because the SFPD had to intervene
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because they closed the sidewalk in the street to take down the Twitter sign without city approval.
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I think they didn't get all the way with that because of that. Like, I think it just says ER was the last I'd seen.
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On one side, yeah. It's incredible.
00:51:16
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Yeah, which is also quite telling that it now says ER.
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If we were to rebrand the show with a letter, what letter would we pick?
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I feel like connected as sort of a G vibe.
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Interesting.
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Like, like...
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No, it's fine.
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The funny thing is, you'll never know which one I was referring to.
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Anyways, here we are with some brown headphones on my desk.
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What do you all want to know?
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Why'd you get brown? Like, I just don't understand why you do that.
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Let's start with the brown.
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I feel like if a product offers brown, you should choose brown.
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So I kind of feel like, and I was telling this to Silvia today.
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I kind of feel like in recent years I've become sort of a brown convert in terms of like the brown color for furniture, for clothes.
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Like it has grown on me a lot.
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I don't know if it's like a fashion thing or just with age I started liking the color brown for more objects in my life.
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Probably about both.
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I gotta say, I saw your picture, Steven.
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You sent us a selfie of you wearing the Beats 2D Pro.
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I kind of dig the color. I kind of like it.
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I think I could pull them off.
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You know, brown headphones.
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I think the brown headphones are cool.
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They are very much like other Beats that you may have used in the past.
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Like, still kind of plastic-y.
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Do they creak?
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Yeah, not the nicest build quality.
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I don't like the creaking.
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That's no good.
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The brown in particular shows a lot of fingerprints.
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And I would imagine the other darker colors would too.
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I guess because it's kind of that matte plastic.
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But the trade-off is they weigh a lot less than AirPods Max.
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So AirPods Max weigh 385 grams and these weigh 260.
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Noticeably less.
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And you definitely feel that weight difference.
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Now, I haven't used AirPods Max in a long time, but my complaint was the weight.
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And these are definitely more comfortable than those, at least to me.
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They do have noise cancellation and transparency.
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And both are good, but I feel like both are kind of a step behind the AirPods Pro 2, which are my daily earbuds.
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Good, but not as great as those.
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And overall, a lot of the features just kind of aren't as nice as some of the AirPods.
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They don't auto-pause when you take them off.
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They have an on/off switch, so you kind of got to manage that.
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But you get USB-C, and if you use USB-C to physically connect to something, you can have nice, high-quality lossless music.
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Of course, charging over USB-C is sweet.
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And they fold down into a case that's really pretty manageable in size, way better than the storage you get with the AirPods Max.
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The on/off switch, I don't like the thought of that.
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I go back and forth on that.
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Because, yeah, it's nice that the AirPods Max are sort of like, they automatically just work.
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But I'm also a bit of a control freak.
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And I know myself, and I know that being able to actually decide I'm turning them on or turning them off, not a bad thing.
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Honestly, the one aspect that really sticks out for me is they don't pause when you take them off.
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That would bug me.
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That's probably the thing that would bug me the most.
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More than you have to use a power switch.
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It kind of surprised me.
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I was listening to something, and then one of my kids came in my office and I took them off.
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I was like, "Oh, they're still playing."
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I was like, "It surprised me."
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Because I'm used to the AirPods auto-pausing.
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They've done it forever.
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So that feels like a bit of a miss.
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I don't know how complicated or cost, how it would have impacted the cost to do that.
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But it's a really nice feature.
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And it makes these feel cheaper than they are.
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Because these are still pretty pricey.
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That's the biggest bummer to me, I think.
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How do you adjust volume and stuff?
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So on the left ear cup, the B artwork has a button.
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So you can press the top of it and it will get louder.
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And you can press the bottom of it and it will get quieter.
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I'm reaching for them.
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And it's actually like the old iPod click wheel.
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And it actually moves in and you can hear the click maybe.
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[Clicking sound]
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So you can actually click the button.
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And that's nice that you can feel it.
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I think that works a bit better than some of the AirPods.
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You're sliding around or pinching or that sort of thing.
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Well, because the AirPods Max has the crown, right?
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That's really nice as a volume adjustment.
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And also as a button for play/pause that you can use.
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You click it for play/pause.
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And then it has the secondary side button looking thing for the ANC and transparency switch.
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And it's funny, the Vision Pro basically uses those same two controls, but for very different things.
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It's got a digital crown and a button on that thing.
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What does the button do?
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It takes the memory photos of your kid's birthday party.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But just of your kid's birthday party.
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It doesn't work otherwise.
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It's actually locked to just the birthdays of your children.
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It has a scene recognition unless it's a birthday party and it's not going to work.
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And it uses two factor with your calendar to confirm.
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Yeah, to confirm, yes.
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So people in the Discord obviously want to know how they sound.
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They sound like beats.
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There's a lot of low end.
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There's a lot of high end.
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There's not much in the middle.
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Would you say they're pretty muddy or crunchy?
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I would say it's velvety, but velvety, but punchy and maybe a little spiky.
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But kind of rounded.
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And how many X's does it have?
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I would say it's full like 5X.
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If you were to compare these headphones to an animal, which one would it be?
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And how's the sound stage by any chance?
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I would say the sound stage is captivating, but ultimately artificial.
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Can you feel the tannins when you listen to music?
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Do they make you tired or what?
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I fell out of my chair.
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After Thanksgiving dinner, would they make you fall asleep?
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They would, but they look really good with like Thanksgiving-y, you know, sort of decorations
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because of the brown.
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Would you give these headphones to your best friend or your best enemy?
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I think I'd give them to, you know, just like a person I saw walking down the street.
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But is it a graduation present or a wedding present?
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I would say graduation present.
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Kids like the bass.
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So you're waiting in line at the DMV.
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Do you put this on or do you put on AirPods Pro?
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I'd put on Vision Pro at the DMV, I think.
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Because it's the last place you want to be.
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So, seriously, are they fun to listen to music to?
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Yeah, they are.
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I mean, if you listen to the kind of music...
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All my answers are very clear.
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I don't know why you need to circle back on this.
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Some people don't understand audio, so you've got to put it in different terms.
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In practical terms, yes.
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There's not a gold USB-C cable, so I would probably upgrade to a gold-plated cable.
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Clearly, you need that.
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No, I mean, if you listen to music that sounds good, punchy, with a bunch of low and highs,
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then it sounds great for sort of modern music like that.
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Now, they are not like neutral reference headphones you're going to listen to Apple Music classical with.
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If you were a Beats person before, I don't think this really changes that part of the equation.
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I don't know.
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I kind of feel like I would totally get along with somebody who's going to listen to Apple Music classical wearing Beats.
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I mean, they do, lossless.
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They are my kind of people.
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Arguably, these are the best headphones that Apple produces for classical music, right?
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Because these are the only headphones that Apple sells that do lossless.
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At the moment, yes.
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Yeah, you don't hear any, I don't know what the middle part of the orchestra is.
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You know, it's a lot of timpani, drums, and flutes.
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You just get drums and trumpets.
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Yeah, the bassoon is totally lost in the soundstage.
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You lose it. I can't hear the bassoon in this mix.
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If you could just adjust the equalizer, it would be good, please.
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I still feel like I want these headphones.
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There's no H-chip in these at all, which is quite peculiar, because previous Beats headphones...
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Right. That's what does all the cool stuff that we want.
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Yeah, and that's just weird, because other Beats headphones have done that.
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And so, I like the fact that even Apple makes these kinds of weird considerations for whatever reason.
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It's just like, it's all a bunch of trade-offs.
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I will say, I think the reason these are such a big deal is because it really shows how bad of a value the AirPods Max are, at this point in their lives.
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Well, I mean, I guess it depends, right?
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Would you pay $200 for a digital crown for the fact that they turn off on their own for... what else?
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A really cool case.
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Maybe you want a strong neck. I don't know.
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Never skips neck day.
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I mean, there is a difference in features, right? And I guess you can choose what's most important to you in style.
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Right? I don't think these are particularly stylish. I think AirPods Max have a style.
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I don't know if it's good or bad, but they have a look to them.
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Apple is fine with the look, because if you had a bunch of tables with Beats over the last eight years, they all kind of look the same.
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And, as Zach points out, they don't do the inner device auto-switching.
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I'm going to be completely honest, right? For me, if you put both of these together with the feature list, I would go AirPods Max.
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Because there's just enough things that are missing that I enjoy that would annoy me.
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I wouldn't like the fact that I have to click a physical button on the side of these things.
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I'm not going to like that as I'm moving around or going to hear plastic creaking.
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I've used Beats before. I know what it's like, right?
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I would not like that it doesn't have the auto-switching, because I really like that a lot.
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I wouldn't like the fact that I'd have to turn them off. That wouldn't annoy me.
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There are enough things in there, I would still go AirPods Max.
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Even though I know it's a worse deal, but I'm thinking about my long-term enjoyment with this product.
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And I think I would get more long-term enjoyment out of the features and benefits that they have over the Beats.
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Your mileage will vary, right?
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Yeah, totally. And you can look at these and see what's coming for AirPods Max, assuming they update them at some point.
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They'll move to USB-C, they'll do lossless over the cable.
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I think all that's coming. It's just a matter of when they do it.
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Maybe I think they do it after the iPhone goes USB-C.
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So yeah, Beats Studio Pros. They're pretty good. That's the review.
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He's also on Threads. I don't know what to do because Federico is not because he lives in the EU.
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It's very confusing.
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I know but that's where I am. I'm not at Max Stories either.
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Okay, well so you can also follow Mike as imike on Threads.
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I wished Federico was on Threads but there's nothing I can do about that right now.
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You can find my writing at 512pixels.net and I'm on Mac Power Users here on Relay FM every Sunday afternoon.
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Arrivederci.