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0:00:08From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 475 for September 4, 2023.
0:00:15This episode is brought to you by Squarespace and TextExpander, and it is the draft for the iPhone event, the September event of 2023.
0:00:25I am one of your competitors.
0:00:26I am Mike Hurley, and I am joined by my co-host and co-competitor, Jason Snell.
0:00:33Who let that marching band in here? Was it you?
0:00:36Well, the summer is over.
0:00:37They are the as known as the official end of summer marching band because the summer of fun is over.
0:00:43We say goodbye to the summer as we now enter the fall of content.
0:00:48They are also the summer is about to begin marching band if you think about it.
0:00:53It's a different band.
0:00:54Oh, it's they literally there's a second band that plays exactly identical music.
0:00:58We have the summer of fun marching band and then the end of summer marching band.
0:01:03They are two different marching bands.
0:01:03I think they just walk around the corner, change their uniforms, march right back in.
0:01:07Honestly, I think they're cashing their checks.
0:01:10I don't care what they're doing, right?
0:01:11But they have their specific jobs.
0:01:13They wear the different uniforms and they're there's like they take the like the surf rock band and they push them.
0:01:20They're on like a platform and they're just pushing them away.
0:01:22Push them off?
0:01:22Yeah.
0:01:23Do they push them off the platform or do they push the platform away entirely?
0:01:26I don't know what happens when they turn the corner.
0:01:28All right.
0:01:29More lore.
0:01:30The upgrade lore is expanding.
0:01:31It's canon.
0:01:32It's canon.
0:01:32That's canon.
0:01:33I have a snow talk question for you, Jason Snow, and it comes from me as they sometimes do.
0:01:38And I just want to know, are you ready to venture back to Apple Park?
0:01:41I mean, technically I need a week because the event is a week from tomorrow.
0:01:50Well, I don't mean now.
0:01:51Should we record this? So I'm not ready right now, but yes, it would be great to be back at Apple Park and the Steve Jobs theater and watching, you know, it's a little weird because it's just watching a video on the screen now.
0:02:04But then afterward that the hands on areas there and I'll see a lot of the same people I see.
0:02:09I'll see some people that I don't normally see.
0:02:11Um, are relay FM's own Steven Hackett is going to be there, right?
0:02:15He sure is.
0:02:16So the two of you will be on the ground.
0:02:18I had the very surreal experience, which is something that I don't think I could have explained to myself of even five years ago that I was invited to go to the iPhone keynote and RSVP'd no, that I would not be going, which is a, it's a very surreal thing.
0:02:34It is just as much as I want to be there with you and with Steven, because me and Steven have never been to a keynote together, so I thought that would be a sweet experience for some time. It's just something that I cannot do in good conscience right now.
0:02:48Like, yeah, I've got too much going on this month and it would jeopardize too many other things that I've got happening.
0:02:54And so like, I don't feel bad about it.
0:02:57Like it's a shame, but like I feel good in knowing I made the right decision.
0:03:01So like, I feel like I made the right decision.
0:03:04So next year, should you just plan to spend September in America and just do it that way?
0:03:10This is a conversation that me and Steven are probably going to have, right, about like timing, because like we are able to set the timing of a lot of things.
0:03:18That's true.
0:03:19Maybe there is a way to time this, to time stuff a little bit different, but it's also like you're timing against something that you have no idea when it's going to happen. So it's always pretty complicated.
0:03:29It's true.
0:03:30You see, I mean, I also am not going to, I don't really feel like making an entire decision, like plan a decision for something that might not even happen next year.
0:03:39It's true.
0:03:40So.
0:03:41It's true.
0:03:42We'll see how it goes.
0:03:43You know, it's very different, right?
0:03:45As you say, if it was going to be like an in-person presentation, like I might have pushed a little harder and swung for it a little differently.
0:03:52But as you say, really all that I feel like I'll be losing out on is the hands-on environment, right, because we're going to be watching the same video.
0:04:01You'll just be in a different scene.
0:04:04A different, yeah, a different location.
0:04:05Now, why are you so busy?
0:04:07This is a transition, Mike.
0:04:08Why are you so busy this month?
0:04:09I love that.
0:04:10I am so busy this month as we are, I think, all so busy this month because we are raising money for the kids of St. Jude.
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0:08:08Jason, we are here today for the draft.
0:08:12We are.
0:08:13I would like to go through the rules as they are written.
0:08:16Okay.
0:08:17This year we are going to have 10 rounds in the draft. There's 20 overall picks within the two of us. The draft will be split into three categories. We're going to have iPhone picks, Apple watch picks and other picks.
0:08:29The winner of the previous draft will get the first pick. That is the reward and that person was me.
0:08:34The items that we will be picking from are chosen from a predetermined list of choices which we have both agreed could be verifiable on screen and not ridiculously obvious.
0:08:46As for an item to count, it must either clearly be announced on stage or on a slide during the presentation. The draft is scored purely from the beginning to the end of the keynote presentation.
0:08:57Right. The content. I guess we could change this. I mean it's the content of the video. It must be. So if we say they introduced this processor. Like one of our picks is a three nanometer processor, right?
0:09:08They basically have to say three nanometer somewhere in the video, right? Otherwise we don't know and we can't go outside of the content of the film, I guess they call it now. That's not going to happen.
0:09:21So it has to be based on the content of the presentation. That's what we're judging here.
0:09:25Indeed. Stephen Hackett will adjudicate in case of any scoring stalemate between Jason and I and I'm going to have spies on the ground at Apple Park to make sure that no money changes hands between the two of you.
0:09:36It's all on the up and up. I'm going to have my spies there. No partial points are awarded, just four points only. Something's either correct or incorrect.
0:09:44The points awarded on the episode of final and will be finalized during the scoring segment. In the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker question. The loser gets pick of the tiebreaker.
0:09:54This is something that I always forget. Is that, does that mean you get the tiebreaker question and then I have to say over or under? Is that what that means? I forget this every time.
0:10:03Yes, that's basically what it means. Traditionally, we choose the runtime of the presentation as the over under.
0:10:13And so you get to say what the runtime will be and then I get to say over or under on that. Is that correct?
0:10:20No, no, I think, is that it? Yeah, I think so. I pick the over under margin and then you choose higher or lower.
0:10:29The winner becomes draft champion and they display the champion pennant as I have behind me right now.
0:10:35The loser becomes the draft challenger and displays the challenger pennant, which Jason has behind him.
0:10:42You can find an interactive scorecard for this so you can score along during the keynote next week over upgrade.cards.
0:10:50This is courtesy of the wonderful discord moderator, Zach Knox. Thank you, Zach, for your continued efforts in making the draft a interactive experience for the upgradeians.
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0:11:10I'm going to run through some previous results. So far for this year, there's just been one draft, which is abnormal. There's usually one in the spring, but it wasn't this year.
0:11:20And I won that. It was the WBC draft in previous September events. You have won all of them except 2022.
0:11:29It's the only time that I won that event. You're on a bit of a winning streak here. So, yeah, I'm doing pretty well.
0:11:35So I'm expecting it to end. We'll see. Obviously, I had the advantage, right? This is the advantage I get first picks, but it doesn't mean the tides can't turn as they have turned in the past.
0:11:45That's right. It's true.
0:11:47The tiebreaker then. So, what would you like to set as the tiebreaker?
0:11:53Well, I am going to put... So they leave a two-hour slot, but they don't always fill it.
0:11:59And in fact, last time, the presentation was 95 minutes long. I am going to set the presentation over/under at 93 minutes.
0:12:16This is very complicated.
0:12:21Uh-huh.
0:12:24So last year, right, was it just the iPhones and just Apple Watches, basically?
0:12:31They also did the new AirPods.
0:12:33Yeah. And so, the problem these days is trying to work out what the product balance is going to be.
0:12:40Where last year, they spent a lot more time on the Apple Watch because they had the Ultra.
0:12:45Now, we're not expecting that this time, but we're expecting maybe a bigger iPhone presentation because they're going to have some new stuff there.
0:12:52So that might like rebalance it a little bit.
0:12:56Where like maybe there's not a lot of time spent for the watch, but there might be more time spent for the iPhones this time than there was before.
0:13:04I think you're exploring the two ways to view runtime, right? Which is how much do they have to talk about?
0:13:09And then there's almost a filler, kind of an inflationary expansion kind of thing, which is how...
0:13:16Right? Because they're not going to do a 30-minute presentation. So it's sort of a, what do they feel like they can do to get their money's worth?
0:13:24So you stack up, I feel like you stack up the blocks of like the product announcement saying that gives you, like it did with WWDC, it gives you kind of a minimum of like, oh, well, they've got a lot or they've got less than they did.
0:13:35And then there's the more intangible question, which is, you know, if all they have are the phones and the watch and the watch didn't change very much,
0:13:44but they've got some new stuff for the phones, it becomes a question of like, well, how much time do they give to periscope lenses, right?
0:13:53How much time do they give to that stuff? How much time do they give to USB-C or whatever to kind of puff it up?
0:14:00Because I don't expect that this is going to be a tight 60, right? It seems unlikely.
0:14:06I'm going to say this could be on the longer side. So I'm going to say over 93 minutes.
0:14:18Okay? I'm going that way purely on like, this is, no matter what else is in there, this is the iPhone event, right? Like that's what this is.
0:14:26Like you can put anything else in it. You can have the Apple Watch Ultra in there, but this is the iPhone event.
0:14:31And I think this year is going to be a bigger story for at least one iPhone model. And so I think they're going to take the time to tell that.
0:14:38I think that's right. I mean, I obviously set this at a point where I have a hard time picking.
0:14:44I think there's a chance that it's a lot shorter just because they don't have as much to do it.
0:14:48Clearly there's, Zach Knox points out like 2021 was 78 minutes. It was a lot shorter.
0:14:55So they can make it shorter, but I think that there's also this whole idea that you want to get your money's worth.
0:15:01The world is watching. You want to set the presentation. And it's also possible. I don't remember, but like sometimes when those presentations are short,
0:15:09it feels like it's because something came out, right? Like they're like, no, we can't announce that to take that out.
0:15:14Also, sometimes we have a level of presentation that is surprising. Last year, I was really surprised at how much time.
0:15:23Remember that video they did for the AirPods where like the woman who's introducing them is like on the subway and she's out outside.
0:15:32And then she goes into a cafe and she's demoing all of those things. Well, I'll remind everybody that at WWDC,
0:15:40they announced some new noise processing features for the AirPods firmware and AirPods as primarily iPhone accessories.
0:15:50This would be a time to reestablish that and talk about it. Even if they're just making a minor update to the AirPods, just the case or whatever also lets them kind of like go through that.
0:15:59So there's plenty of opportunity for this to balloon up to above 93 minutes. I don't really know. So it's, I mean, that's the beauty of the over under thing, right?
0:16:08It's kind of a, I'm just setting the bar at where I think it's going to be hard and then you make a hard decision and we see.
0:16:14And if I set the bar badly, then that's bad for me. And otherwise, that's the beauty of it. It's either over or it's not.
0:16:22I think this is going to be on the longest. I think last year, I think it really showed that they, like I said, they were flexing with the visual presentation and I expect that to continue.
0:16:33I think we saw it at WWDC with the Vision Pro part of the demo was like visually very interesting.
0:16:39And I think they're going to do that again. And all of that means that they can take their time a bit more if it's not just people standing in front of screens for an hour and 25 minutes, right?
0:16:48Never underestimate Apple's ability to talk about photography for a long time.
0:16:54A long time. But you know, like we're going to talk about obviously the things we're expecting, but the entire iPhone lineup is going to get a bit of a shake up this year.
0:17:03And this should be seen as one of the bigger years for the iPhone. And so I expect that to be reflected in the amount of time they spend talking about it.
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0:19:17So we move now into the first round. The iPhone picks.
0:19:23So I have my little list. So I go through this morning. I take a look at our list that we've worked out over the last week.
0:19:32When on the end of last week's episode we realized, oh my God, we need to draft next week most likely.
0:19:37And then we then we sprang to work putting the list together.
0:19:41So I have my little short list here and my first pick is going to be USB-C announced on all models of iPhone.
0:19:50All right. It's time.
0:19:53Yeah, it's time. I mean, arguments could be made about why they're doing it now, but realistically, this is the right move for everyone.
0:20:02Who doesn't want this? You know what I mean? Let's get rid of one more cable in our lives and go all USB-C.
0:20:08It is a vastly superior connector in my opinion, just because I have them everywhere.
0:20:14And the lightning cable, I just, you know, I'm losing it. I don't know where that thing is. Get out of here.
0:20:20I was struck by Mark Gurman's newsletter this week. We didn't do a rumor roundup.
0:20:28He didn't really have anything new to report. So he sort of like played pundit a little bit.
0:20:33And I thought I was surprised where he was trying to contribute to the discourse that we that Gruber wrote about it.
0:20:40I wrote about it about like how the general public is going to react to this change.
0:20:44And I think the answer is going to be that I mean negatively because I was still hearing like, oh, Apple, they just keep changing the cables.
0:20:51And like people's stand up comedy routines several years, like a couple of years ago. And it's been 11 years, right?
0:20:58Like it's a thing. It's a meme. It's going to get heightened again.
0:21:02I think it's going to slide away faster this time because I think the conditions are very different. But the fact is it's going to be a thing.
0:21:07I was surprised that Mark Gurman also said something about how people will be mad because they will have invested in a bunch of lightning accessories that don't work.
0:21:16And I don't know. I feel like that's overstated and that there's less of that and that a lot of accessories are invalid between iPhone versions anyway.
0:21:29And a lot of people have already learned their lesson from all of those clock radios that were in hotels that use the dock connector.
0:21:39I think that everybody is either, you know, there's a lot of USB-C out there. There's a lot of lightning or USB-C out there.
0:21:48And there's a lot of swapping a cable kind of stuff. Right.
0:21:52And so I think it's going to be less of an issue. But Mark leaned into the whole Apple doesn't want to do this.
0:21:57They just wanted to wait until they made the portless iPhone. And I kind of rolled my eyes at that.
0:22:02It's like a portless iPhone is kind of a dream. And even when it comes, I think it's going to be, you know, portless except for a magnetic connector that Apple makes that does data.
0:22:13Right. Like it's going to not really be portless. It's going to be sort of like plug in a plug.
0:22:18And I've always been skeptical of that report. So I think I you know, again, I'm sure there are people inside Apple and maybe these are the people Mark Gurman is talking to.
0:22:26Who are like, we just we didn't want to do this with stupid EU and all that. And like, I think he's overstating it.
0:22:32Honestly, I think that this is a logical step for them. And they were forced into a timeline by the EU.
0:22:40And but I would say that's if that's the case that Apple really just planned on using lightning until many years down the line when it finally could invent a portless iPhone.
0:22:49I'm glad they got forced into it because this is a better situation. Everybody's got USB-C stuff.
0:22:54It will be a transition that will be a little bit painful for some people, but a lot less painful, I think, than the last one.
0:23:00So, I mean, I don't even know if I believe the forced into narrative because we like we have to all agree on a thing here because we all apparently agree that it takes multiple years to design an iPhone.
0:23:12Right. Like that's an agreement that we all seem to have made together of like, well, they can't make any changes because they have been planned multiple years in advance.
0:23:19What so they could have like six months ago just been like, oh, better pull that lightning cable out of it. Like, no, like, you know, they've been planning to put this on there for at least a year before that thing came down from the European Union.
0:23:31Like this has just been the route that they were going on. Or at least have maybe for multiple years had it running in parallel. Right.
0:23:38Of like, this is a thing that we might do and it's a different design for the phone.
0:23:42Yeah, I think I mean, honestly, I think there was that conversation they had shortly after they introduced lightning, which was USB-C was coming then, but it wasn't ready when they did lightning.
0:23:51And then USB-C comes along. They're like, well, you know, we already committed to this. And honestly, I think they would have switched sooner if there hadn't been such an outcry and so much negative publicity about the connection, the dock connector to lightning switch.
0:24:06Where they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we can't, we can't do it yet. And they're finally going to rip the bandaid off and great, I'm glad they're going to do it. But I would actually say this would have happened sooner if they hadn't gotten beaten up so much about the lightning switch.
0:24:21And there's going to be so many articles written about this. Right. Because there are publications, you know, like the world media is like hungry.
0:24:31You don't believe what Apple's doing again.
0:24:33But we, I think we all have to be sensible about this and realize that like, this is very different to when they did it the last time. Like they went from one proprietary connector to another proprietary connector where this time they're going from a proprietary connector to a cable that people already have in their home for something else that they own.
0:24:52Yeah. An established standard. Also, I don't think this gets talked about enough. Eleven years ago, people were attaching their phones to their computers to sync stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody, I mean, sorry to those who still do that, but nobody does.
0:25:06Nobody does that. That era has ended. It's a charging cable. Maybe it's a cable for your carplay or something. And again, it's a cable swap, right? People very rarely is something designed,
0:25:21like there's no car place so far as I know where there's like a little dock with a lightning welded into it. Like a hard wired lightning cable. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
0:25:31Instead, it's a USB plug and you would just take your USB lightning plug out and put in the USB to USB-C plug and it works. I'm sure they're going to be edge cases, but yeah, the scenarios are really different now than they were 11 years ago when the last time, you know, the last time that the switch happened.
0:25:50Before upgrade. That's how long ago it was. That's forever ago. Ancient history. Before Relay FM existed. Yeah. With my pick in the first round, I'm also going to go with something that I, I mean, firmly expect to happen, which is a transition from stainless steel to titanium.
0:26:09I don't know why I said it that way. I just thought it would be exciting. Presenting titanium in this, a better lighter metal that is going to be much nicer for pro phones than that heavy old stainless steel.
0:26:23This isn't your father's iPhone. This one, sir, is titanium. This was my second pick. This is going to be my second pick. Like this one is, these two, they feel sun. Right? They feel right. Yeah, they do.
0:26:38And I'm excited about this. I'm intrigued to see truly what a titanium iPhone would feel like. Like people talk about it being lighter and I, and I want, I'm really intrigued to see what it feels like to hold the stainless steel and the iPhone and the titanium iPhones, like in each hand and see how they feel next to each other.
0:26:59I'll report back on Tuesday. Yeah, I'm intrigued. This is one of those things where I feel like we've, it's been built up so much that like when we actually do it, it's not going to feel that excellent. You know, it's not going to feel that different because the hype is too high at this point.
0:27:13Right. And you're going to be looking for the, the, the weight difference and it'll be different, but like how different and we'll argue about like, can you really tell? And you'll probably, that'll literally probably be a conversation we have in our next episode.
0:27:26Jason, did you feel the titanium phone and how does it compare to the, the, the pro and all of that? And we'll, we'll find out. But titanium, like I was thinking again about how two years ago I did myself a, I gave myself a little treat cause it was just my and Lauren's wedding anniversary.
0:27:47And I got her a nice thing a couple of years ago. Like I'm not going to go into the details, but I got her like a piece of like a jewelry upgrade essentially.
0:27:59And it always comes up when these things happen of like, what is my equivalent of that? What would I get? Cause I am mostly other than a wedding ring, other than a wedding band, I am completely unadorned. Right.
0:28:11and I had a flash of insight and I thought, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get the titanium apple watch in black.
0:28:21And here's the thing, Mike. I love it. I love it. I love the titanium. I love how it looks. I love how light it is.
0:28:30For people who don't know, this is one of the Series watches. This is not the Ultra.
0:28:34This was, they had titanium in the Edition line before.
0:28:37Seven? I don't even remember what series it is. It's two years ago, Series.
0:28:43So, I love it. And, so, more titanium. Titanium all the things, is what I say.
0:28:51Because it's, as we learned on this podcast from experts, who are listeners, titanium, anodizable, into various colors.
0:29:02We've come a long way from the paint, the silver paint on the titanium power book. And I'm really looking forward to entering the titanium iPhone era.
0:29:10Alright, my second pick is the Pro Max/Ultra, depending on what it's called. Maybe that's giving away a potential pick.
0:29:20Large high-end phone.
0:29:21Nondescript large high-end phone to gain a new camera with increased telephoto zoom. Aka Periscope lens.
0:29:33Right, like this is the biggest phone will get some kind of new camera module and it will enable a larger zoom.
0:29:42You know, people said it's somewhere between 5, 6x instead of 3.
0:29:47I'm intrigued to see what it will end up actually being like, but that's what I'm expecting.
0:29:54Yeah, more zoom on the big one. Now, I have a question for you, which is, what happens if there's an increased telephoto zoom on both the Max/Ultra and the non-Pro?
0:30:08Well, I mean, this pick isn't only.
0:30:10Okay.
0:30:11Right, it's just saying that that phone will get it.
0:30:14Okay, alright.
0:30:15Well, that's good for you.
0:30:19Yeah.
0:30:20Some of them are onlys.
0:30:24Yeah, I think it feels, nobody's saying it for sure, but it sure feels like there's a big camera upgrade in the offing here.
0:30:36Right?
0:30:37This is the thing that, honestly, people have been talking about Apple experimenting with a Periscope lens.
0:30:42The idea here, again, is it's pure optics. You're increasing the depth of the, I'm not a physicist, but it's increasing the length of the lens, essentially, by having a much longer run than the thickness of the camera or of the phone.
0:31:01So, the only way you can do that is by turning it on its side.
0:31:03So, they have a mirror, it goes down and you can actually have the camera housing run, the actual optics run further down.
0:31:10And it's a big deal. Samsung has done it. I think other phone makers have done it. Apple hasn't done it.
0:31:16But they've been rumored to be experimenting with it for years.
0:31:19And it feels like this is the time when we're going to see it in that one high-end phone that's got the space and this is going to be there.
0:31:28On MacBreak Weekly, Leo Laporte likes to bring out this photo he shot that's taken from a bluff, I think, on the ocean over to another bluff.
0:31:40And he keeps zooming in. And it was taken with one of these, I think, Samsung Periscope phones.
0:31:45And it's amazing because it's this really far away bluff across. It's like a landscape.
0:31:51And you keep zooming in and eventually you can literally see that there is a guy on that landscape looking back, holding a camera.
0:31:59It's pretty impressive, right? And some of that is digital zoom with cleanup.
0:32:04But this is how Apple will do it too, probably, is that they will have an increased optical zoom.
0:32:11And then there will be some digital zoom with using the sensors to clean it up and make it look pretty good.
0:32:19And I can't wait to see it because this could be just a huge step forward for iPhone users in terms of photography.
0:32:27I'm trying to reserve my excitement because I got overexcited about the 48 megapixel sensor.
0:32:36I thought last year that the new sensor going into the iPhone was going to be a huge step change, like one we hadn't seen in a long time.
0:32:46And I would say that that did not happen.
0:32:49There is a big change that you can unlock with given the right tools and the right circumstances.
0:32:56But I don't think that it has made a very noticeable big jump from the previous system.
0:33:04So I'm expecting there to be a difference. But how big a difference will that be? I don't know.
0:33:12Also, like how much will I want to use it? I don't know. Right?
0:33:16Like, am I going to be frustrated by the fact that I have now like one, two and six?
0:33:23Like, is that going to be too much?
0:33:25Right. And all those intermediate steps. And will that be frustrating?
0:33:29Yeah. Like, do you know when you're at four what's happening and how that's being captured?
0:33:34And do you feel OK about that?
0:33:36And I think that those are all good questions.
0:33:39So good. I applaud you for reserving your enthusiasm over that one.
0:33:43Yeah. All right. What's your second pick?
0:33:47I think this is pretty certain. But the question is about the stagecraft more than anything else.
0:33:51But I'm going to pick that the three nanometer chip, the new three nanometer chip is only in the high end phones.
0:33:58You know, this is a bowl. I think this bowl for round two. I had this in my shortlist.
0:34:03My judgment was reserved by the case of like, we may know this to be accurate,
0:34:09but it relies on three nanome of being described in the presentation, which maybe.
0:34:18But I mean, I could have I could change this to be new chip only in the high end phone.
0:34:26But now we're making you know, now we're going in.
0:34:28But I think this is the right way to do it.
0:34:31I think the only question is, do they describe that it's using a new three nanometer process?
0:34:37And honestly, I think they do. I think we're going to see there's picks later,
0:34:41but I think we're going down into the chip lab or it's stagecraft equivalent of that.
0:34:46However they choose to do it, maybe they'll fly into space and Johnny Scrooge will be in space going,
0:34:51"Hey, three nanometers!" I don't know.
0:34:53But I do know that it's pretty that they're using the new three nanometer chip.
0:34:59And they'll probably only put in the high end phones because they'll do the thing that they do now,
0:35:03starting last year where they'll roll down the last generation chip into the low end models,
0:35:10but the high end models will get the new chip. So the question is really, do they say three nanometer?
0:35:13I think they will. - I can see it happening,
0:35:16but I don't have 100% confidence in it too, you know?
0:35:21- Well, I'm at the point where I don't have 100% confidence in any of these.
0:35:27So I'm left with the first three I felt pretty good about.
0:35:31Now we're at four. Hmm. All right.
0:35:33So that's mine. Three nanometer chip only in the high end phones.
0:35:36Not going to bring it down, but they are going to say that it's a three nanometer chip.
0:35:40All right. My third round pick is, this is something I was referencing earlier
0:35:44where I feel like this is going to be a year where the entire line gets some big upgrades.
0:35:50And I think that that will come in the form of the Dynamic Island coming to all announced phones.
0:35:55So that was next on my list.
0:35:57The regular iPhone 15 will also get the Dynamic Island.
0:36:01I think that that is something that will just make the phones look different, right?
0:36:08Like even if the bodies stay the same,
0:36:11the rumors are suggesting will be the case, right?
0:36:13That the iPhone 15 is going to, when the screen is off,
0:36:17look like the previous iPhone 14.
0:36:19But when the screen is on, it's going to have the Dynamic Island.
0:36:22And I think it will make an effect.
0:36:24I think it will be something that maybe people are aware of,
0:36:27that there are iPhones that have it, but theirs maybe doesn't.
0:36:30And that maybe if the next phone that they upgrade to will,
0:36:33that it will make it feel like a more modern iPhone.
0:36:37Yeah, I think the risk here is,
0:36:40in my mental model of what all the iPhone rumors are,
0:36:44I feel less certain about this.
0:36:47I think it's one of those things that feels to me
0:36:49like we all assume this is what they're going to do.
0:36:51And because it's the lower end model and all of that,
0:36:55like remember we had all of those rumors
0:36:57about like the new cutouts on the iPhone last year.
0:37:01And it turned out that they weren't hole punches.
0:37:03They were the Dynamic Island.
0:37:05And yet I don't feel like we've talked about that at all
0:37:08about the lower end iPhones.
0:37:10But I do kind of assume there was a report that said,
0:37:14no, no, no, it's going to come to all of them.
0:37:16Because there were some people who were saying
0:37:18the Dynamic Island was going to remain a pro feature.
0:37:21And then there was a report that said,
0:37:22no, that's not the case.
0:37:24It also makes sense.
0:37:24I think it's good and I think Apple likes it.
0:37:26And I think it's a differentiator of the iPhone
0:37:29as a product line, not of pro iPhones.
0:37:33So I believe, I believe. - It serves function, right?
0:37:36Live activities become more interesting and more useful.
0:37:39Live activities are an extension of notifications,
0:37:43which is an incredibly important part of it.
0:37:44- And you want them everywhere.
0:37:44- You want them everywhere.
0:37:45- For developers to embrace them,
0:37:48the more phones that have the Dynamic Island,
0:37:50the more they're going to say, okay,
0:37:51we need to prioritize what we're doing
0:37:53for the Dynamic Island.
0:37:54And yeah, actually in the last year,
0:37:57we don't do like exit interviews here,
0:38:00but I will say I have primarily been using a pro phone
0:38:05this last year.
0:38:07And I switch around 'cause I've got some review units
0:38:13and then I've got the one that I own.
0:38:15And I'll say this, the thing that makes me
0:38:18not want to go back, not want to leave the pro model
0:38:22is the Dynamic Island because I do use it,
0:38:25especially when I'm traveling and I'm using Flighty.
0:38:28And I just, I like having it there.
0:38:30I really do.
0:38:31- It's just a pleasant feature.
0:38:32- Yeah, more could be done with it for sure.
0:38:34More could be done with it.
0:38:36And I hope more is done with it on the software side.
0:38:38But like one way that all of that happens
0:38:41is that it needs to be not on one or two models of phone.
0:38:45It needs to be on now an additional four models.
0:38:49So it'll be six different phones
0:38:50that have the Dynamic Island.
0:38:52That's better, right?
0:38:53Now we're getting somewhere.
0:38:54That's my turn now.
0:38:56- Yup.
0:38:59- This is a tough one
0:39:00'cause I feel like I've left the area of certainty now.
0:39:05Or near certainty, nigh certain items
0:39:09and have entered the more hazy items.
0:39:14- The wilderness, the wilderness of Drawsby.
0:39:16- I am, I'm out in the wilderness now.
0:39:18I'm, oh boy.
0:39:23How do, what do I want to do here?
0:39:27I am going to say,
0:39:30I'm gonna bet on a thing that I've learned
0:39:35through the years that happens and ruins the book
0:39:42that I write about the Photos app,
0:39:43which is a pro phone gets a camera software feature
0:39:48other phones do not have.
0:39:52Because there's usually one, right?
0:39:54There's usually something where it's like,
0:39:55oh, and now you have this mode.
0:39:57And honestly, if there's a super zoom,
0:40:00all of that, right? - Yeah, this one's actually
0:40:01pretty easy.
0:40:02Like if we, in a sense of like,
0:40:04if we can agree that the telephone or zoom seems obvious,
0:40:08then this one's a lock, right?
0:40:11- Yeah, I suppose so.
0:40:11I mean, the question is just like,
0:40:13it comes down to the details of the interface
0:40:15and how they show it.
0:40:16And if there is, like, there's a clarity
0:40:18where they're like, oh, and you enter this mode.
0:40:20And it's like, well, there you go.
0:40:21It's a new mode and I have to update my book.
0:40:23- Well, let's have a conversation now then,
0:40:26actually about this.
0:40:27Like if the iPhone ultra or Pro Max has a button
0:40:32that says 6X rather than three,
0:40:35is that a software feature? - It's not a new feature.
0:40:37- All right, cool.
0:40:37So there has to be like...
0:40:39- I think, yeah, just changing the label
0:40:41is my sneaky way of saying that there's an increased zoom.
0:40:44And that's not what I'm trying to do here.
0:40:45I'm trying to say that there will be some other thing
0:40:47in the UI or a thing you have to enable or something
0:40:50from one of the Pro phones, probably the high-end model.
0:40:54I know it's a little bit squishy,
0:40:55but the way I view this is I finished my update
0:40:59to my photos book, take control of photos,
0:41:03gotta name it, and handed it in.
0:41:06And we agreed that it's basically done
0:41:08and we're holding it because probably
0:41:11they're gonna show something at the iPhone event
0:41:13that makes me go, okay, all right, I need to change that.
0:41:15And it will be in the camera.
0:41:17It might be something big, right?
0:41:18They might have like a whole new mode.
0:41:20Sometimes they introduce new modes.
0:41:22Photographic styles was a new mode they just threw in.
0:41:26- It could be a new file format, right?
0:41:29I feel like that would count, I think.
0:41:30- Right, there's lots of stuff here.
0:41:32So we'll just keep an eye on it.
0:41:34But I feel like every year this happens.
0:41:37So I'm gonna pick it.
0:41:38- I like the idea of the way to score this
0:41:42is does Jason have to reopen his draft file
0:41:45to take control of photos?
0:41:47Like there's something funny about that to me.
0:41:49(laughing)
0:41:51So this is, I get a point for it at least.
0:41:53I'll be, in that moment, I'll be like, hey, I get a point.
0:41:56Oh God, I gotta update the story now, the book.
0:41:58All right, fine, fine.
0:42:00- This one is, so my fourth round pick here.
0:42:04Okay, I mentioned I have my little short list, right?
0:42:10- Yes.
0:42:11- And I rank the short list in a likely order.
0:42:16But what always happens is when I relook at it now,
0:42:18like in the cold light of podcast recording,
0:42:22I move things around.
0:42:23- Yeah, you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
0:42:24- Yeah, and I'm moving one around.
0:42:25- That's much riskier than I thought.
0:42:26Okay.
0:42:27- To which I feel pretty confident in,
0:42:30which is Apple touts a new design for the Pro phones.
0:42:36- That's a good one.
0:42:37I thought about that one too.
0:42:40- It's complicated, right?
0:42:42This is another one where it's like,
0:42:43you have to believe it when we see it.
0:42:45And it's, you know, but I think--
0:42:46- And it's stagecraft, right?
0:42:48- Is the new Pro phone going to look different enough
0:42:52that they touted as a new design, as opposed to being,
0:42:56and we're gonna have to judge this ourselves as we do.
0:43:00It's a gentlemanly agreement to judge these things.
0:43:02But like really what it comes down to is,
0:43:05is Apple saying, well, we, like saying,
0:43:07oh, it's got a new material for the frame, it's titanium.
0:43:11Like, well, that's not a new design.
0:43:12That's a change in the frame.
0:43:14They need to really say and lean into,
0:43:18we got, this is one of those years
0:43:19where there's a new design, essentially.
0:43:21They need to really kind of like hit that point.
0:43:23- There are words we're looking for,
0:43:25like refine and all that kind of stuff, right?
0:43:27To like suggest that this one,
0:43:31they are saying does not look like the other one,
0:43:33whether we believe it to be true or not.
0:43:35And there've been enough rumors of this, I think,
0:43:39that you could see it, like you piece it together, right?
0:43:41We've heard like smaller bezels, we've heard new frame,
0:43:45we've heard new buttons and we've heard curving on the glass
0:43:49and maybe a different glass texture.
0:43:51If you do take all of that stuff and put it together,
0:43:54there's a story that you can tell about the fact
0:43:56that this phone has a new design.
0:43:59- It looks different.
0:44:00- Yeah, and I believe Apple will always,
0:44:03if they can, try to lean on that
0:44:05because they know it sells more phones when they do.
0:44:09- They do, they do.
0:44:11- Both round pick for Jason Snow.
0:44:14- It's getting harder and harder.
0:44:16Yikes.
0:44:20There are a lot of things on here that are like,
0:44:24it could happen, it might happen,
0:44:26but I'm not like super confident.
0:44:31- We also have some very picky things.
0:44:34- Yeah, and I have the,
0:44:39I have one more pick after this
0:44:42to do something a little bit wackier
0:44:44or a little bit more daring.
0:44:46So I'm gonna go a little less daring
0:44:47and I'm just gonna get on
0:44:49the color matched USB-C cables bandwagon.
0:44:52- Okay, interesting.
0:44:54- There will be some color matched USB-C cables,
0:44:56not saying for which phone,
0:44:57not saying whether they'll be in the box
0:44:59or they'll be available separately,
0:45:00but that they will mention the color matched
0:45:02or we will see color matched USB-C cables.
0:45:05- I went back to the vaults on this one.
0:45:07So I was thinking, if they're gonna change it,
0:45:10they're maybe gonna tell you
0:45:12they're gonna put it in the box, right?
0:45:15It's like, oh, you're gonna get a new cable.
0:45:17But then I also thought,
0:45:18will they, will they say we're gonna put a cable,
0:45:22a color matched USB-C cable in the box and like show it?
0:45:25You know what I mean?
0:45:26- But is it gonna be in the box
0:45:27or is it gonna be available for the pro phone?
0:45:29I think they might do that, but like,
0:45:31or are they just gonna be available
0:45:32and we got a lot of colors and you can, you know,
0:45:34I just feel like I like this story enough
0:45:37to think that the color matched USB-C cables
0:45:39will exist in some form and they will be mentioned.
0:45:41I don't know the details.
0:45:43Although, yeah, I would love it
0:45:44if every iPhone gets a color matched cable in the box.
0:45:48And somebody pointed out to me,
0:45:51the beauty of that is also,
0:45:52you'll know what your new iPhone cable looks like.
0:45:56So from a like minimizing people getting frustrated about
0:46:00like, oh, I picked up a lightning cable
0:46:02instead of the cable for my phone.
0:46:04The beauty of the, you know, not only will it be nice
0:46:06and they say braided and like nice cable,
0:46:10but the color matching means it will not look like
0:46:12all of your white lightning cables and you'll be like,
0:46:14aha, that's my phone cable.
0:46:17So I like this story.
0:46:19I'm gonna go with it.
0:46:20I also have gone back and forth on it, but you know,
0:46:23so we get later in the draft,
0:46:24you start making rash decisions based on limited information.
0:46:28That's just how it goes.
0:46:29- Can I approach the bench for a clarification?
0:46:32- Okay, I'm sitting in a chair and not a bench, but sure, yes.
0:46:35- Can you go sit on your bench please?
0:46:38- My microphone's not near there, unfortunately.
0:46:39So I can't. - It's a shout.
0:46:41So we have a pic that says color option added to at least
0:46:44one of the pro phones is different to what we've seen before.
0:46:48I think for this pic, it's gonna have to be like,
0:46:51not a blue, not a green, right?
0:46:55- I was willing to go with not a name used before.
0:47:00- All right, that's good.
0:47:02I like that.
0:47:03- Right, so like if it truly is Titan gray or something,
0:47:08that's new, it's Titan gray, isn't that a-
0:47:10- But if they say like, titanium blue, right?
0:47:14Like that's not like blue, like whatever the blue was,
0:47:18but we had before, if it's like Titan green,
0:47:21well, that's not safari green, which is what we have.
0:47:23- Right, right, so it's just, we changed the name
0:47:25and they say the name and it's a name we haven't heard
0:47:27before attached to an iPhone.
0:47:29That would be what that would be.
0:47:31- My final pick is color option added to at least one
0:47:35of the pro phones is different to what we've seen before.
0:47:37Now, realistically, I think that this is a,
0:47:41we're leaning into titanium and we're giving it a color,
0:47:44but I'm covering my basis for if it's blue something, right?
0:47:49Or green something.
0:47:50- Sure.
0:47:51- But I think that I'm leaning into the idea realistically
0:47:56that they are going to have something which is closer
0:48:02to in color for the whole phone,
0:48:05what a raw titanium looks like, like the Apple watch ultra.
0:48:09That's what I think that they will do that
0:48:11because I think that they will know
0:48:13and I think rightly know people will kind of dig that.
0:48:17I think that we're gonna hear a lot about titanium
0:48:22and I think that they will wanna celebrate
0:48:24that they have titanium and that this is meant
0:48:26to be something people are supposed to be excited about.
0:48:29And so, this idea of there being a color of an iPhone,
0:48:34which borrows from titanium in some way,
0:48:37I think we're gonna see that happen.
0:48:39- It's just nothing but it's pure titanium.
0:48:41It's just purest of the natural color.
0:48:44- They made a titanium screen, you can't use it,
0:48:46but they thought you'd like it.
0:48:49- Yeah, it's literally just a slab of titanium
0:48:51you stick in your pocket.
0:48:52- Yep, very light.
0:48:54- All right, I'm gonna wrap it up.
0:48:56I have a Boulder pic that I'm not gonna go with,
0:48:59but I'm going with, I mean, again,
0:49:02I'm just gonna go with it.
0:49:04My percentage of liking it is lower now as we go on.
0:49:08I'm gonna hop on the action button,
0:49:11say at least one iPhone is gonna not have a mute switch,
0:49:14it's gonna be a button.
0:49:15- Yep.
0:49:17- The rumors are out there.
0:49:18I think it's one of those things where like,
0:49:21sometimes when you're diagnosing rumors,
0:49:23which is sort of what the draft is,
0:49:25you end up with this sort of thing of like,
0:49:27I haven't talked about that lately,
0:49:29but they talked about it and they said it was gonna happen
0:49:32and it seems like it would happen.
0:49:34And there was the, in some ways what happens is
0:49:37the report comes out, we all debate it
0:49:42and then we forget about it.
0:49:44And like the report's out there, like it's done.
0:49:46They're like, yeah, this is happening.
0:49:47And then we're like tired of it and we move on.
0:49:50And then you get to the draft and you're like,
0:49:51oh yeah, that was a thing we talked about, right?
0:49:54That's probably happening.
0:49:55And I just, for all the reasons we talked about back then,
0:49:58I love the idea that you could repurpose the mute switch
0:50:01to have it do different things.
0:50:02It could still be mute if you want it to be that.
0:50:05But as somebody who always leaves my phone muted,
0:50:07I would rather use that switch for anything else.
0:50:09So I'm gonna try to wish it into existence.
0:50:12At least one iPhone, maybe all of them, come on,
0:50:15make it all of them, will have a button up there
0:50:18instead of a mute switch.
0:50:19- That is the end of the iPhone picks.
0:50:22- How are you feeling so far?
0:50:25I need to take a knee. - I'm gonna say,
0:50:27- Get some breath here.
0:50:28- On this round, I feel confident.
0:50:31Okay?
0:50:33- That's all I'll say.
0:50:34How are you feeling?
0:50:35- I'm feeling pretty good.
0:50:37I feel like I could have made some wackier picks
0:50:39that were a lot less likely and I don't think I did.
0:50:41So I'm not, there have been moments
0:50:44in your winning streak on this draft.
0:50:46And even before that, when I would win,
0:50:47there were moments where I'd look at one of my picks
0:50:49and I'm like, did you pick that just 'cause it's wacky?
0:50:53- Yeah. - 'Cause even,
0:50:54I picked it and I don't think it's gonna happen.
0:50:56That's not great.
0:50:57This one I feel better about.
0:50:59I feel like there's some that are an amount of risk here,
0:51:02but I don't, I'm not looking at it right now
0:51:04and thinking I have deep regrets.
0:51:06I feel like I'm pretty positive about mine too.
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0:53:14It is now time to move in to the Apple Watch picks.
0:53:21Now--
0:53:22- Oh, wait.
0:53:23- I mean, you could do that if you want to,
0:53:25but I don't think you need to.
0:53:26- That was a laser misfire.
0:53:28Sorry, it's not time for lasers.
0:53:29- It happens.
0:53:30We don't think this is gonna be a big Apple Watch year,
0:53:33so we only have two rounds for the Apple Watch.
0:53:35- Yeah.
0:53:36You're up.
0:53:39- Cold light of podcast, you know?
0:53:45- I know, right?
0:53:46You live in that fantasy world where you're imagining,
0:53:48this is part of the danger of drafting,
0:53:50is you start to imagine your fantasy keynote.
0:53:53- Yep.
0:53:54- And you're like, "Oh, that'll be so good."
0:53:56And, "That'll be so great."
0:53:57And then in the cold light of day of the podcast,
0:54:00you look at it and you're like, "Yeah, but really?"
0:54:00- And it's also like, not only will it be so good
0:54:02when they do it,
0:54:03won't it be awesome that I will then win a point from it?
0:54:06But it's like, it doesn't always work like that.
0:54:10- This is why drafting is tricky.
0:54:12'Cause you let the wishes in.
0:54:15Like, look, I wanna be a big,
0:54:18I'm a big proponent of people being creative
0:54:21and having a rich inner fantasy life.
0:54:24- Sure.
0:54:25- But for drafting, it's super dangerous.
0:54:28'Cause then you let the wish casting in
0:54:30and you're drafting rainbows and don't do it.
0:54:33Don't draft rainbows.
0:54:34- Rainbows have typically done pretty well for you
0:54:37in stage form.
0:54:38- Well, in terms of the stage craft, yes.
0:54:39The rainbow stage you can draft, that's fine.
0:54:41But just don't draft unicorns.
0:54:43- You know what, Jason?
0:54:44I'm looking towards rainbows, I'm doing it.
0:54:46The Apple Watch Ultra comes in a different color option.
0:54:49- Okay.
0:54:51You think this is a rainbow pic
0:54:53'cause it was my number one Apple Watch pic.
0:54:56- I mean, there are colors in a rainbow.
0:54:59- Okay, sure.
0:55:00Well, the new color will not be colorful, right?
0:55:02It will be black, probably.
0:55:04- Most likely, yes.
0:55:05Most likely.
0:55:06- Everybody's favorite color of the rainbow, black.
0:55:11- Hey, look, Apple calls it a color.
0:55:14The simple fact that this is,
0:55:15I think the Apple Watch Ultra was a success.
0:55:18I think this was the thing that no one really knew
0:55:20what was gonna happen when they put it out.
0:55:22But what actually happened was people bought it
0:55:24because it was the most expensive Apple Watch
0:55:26and that was the watch that they wanted
0:55:27and that was the one that they were gonna wear,
0:55:29which I think is a valid reason
0:55:30to buy the Apple Watch Ultra.
0:55:32And I expect, especially if Apple is going all in
0:55:37on titanium, that they could maybe also match up
0:55:41at least one more color option to go alongside it
0:55:44from the options that they have for the iPhone.
0:55:47It also allows them to do something at least
0:55:50to rev the Apple Watch Ultra on a 12-month cycle.
0:55:54This is where we're gonna find out
0:55:55if the Apple Watch Ultra is a 12-month cycle product as well.
0:55:59We're gonna find out here.
0:56:00And I think if they do it,
0:56:02this will be the way that they do it.
0:56:04- All right.
0:56:05I'm gonna go with a bummer pic,
0:56:10which I know people don't like the bummer pic,
0:56:14but it's gotta be done.
0:56:16No new health-related sensors.
0:56:20- Yep.
0:56:21- Womp, womp. - Not this time.
0:56:22- Nope.
0:56:23- Gotta wait for the X.
0:56:24- Yeah, yeah.
0:56:26I just think we get rumors of sensors here and there,
0:56:31but as we've seen, it's really hard.
0:56:34It's really hard to get sensors into the Apple Watch
0:56:36because they have medical applications
0:56:39and there are all the issues.
0:56:40And we had this whole conversation last year
0:56:41about temperature and we were like,
0:56:43oh, we're gonna use it to detect and warn you
0:56:45that you might be running a fever and all that.
0:56:47And it ended up being a useful but incredibly constrained
0:56:50cycle tracking thing, right?
0:56:52With a lot of asterisks attached to it.
0:56:54So I'm gonna just say no.
0:56:56No new health-related sensors.
0:56:59- All right.
0:57:00Interesting, okay.
0:57:01It was on my list.
0:57:04It was because I just don't see it happening
0:57:08this time around.
0:57:09- Never bet against no sensors.
0:57:13- Yep.
0:57:13- There's a lot of negatives in there, but yeah.
0:57:15Always bet on no new sensors.
0:57:17- Or not.
0:57:19All right, my second and final Apple Watch pick
0:57:23is that there will be a new system on a chip
0:57:25with more performance for the Series 9.
0:57:28- Yeah, no, that was mine too.
0:57:31You got your winner advantage going for you here.
0:57:34- I had a thought about this.
0:57:35- New system on the chip.
0:57:36- I don't want to know what you think.
0:57:37This isn't in the pick, but just a thought.
0:57:40Could they also put this in the ultra?
0:57:43- Yes.
0:57:44- Right, and then that might be another reason
0:57:46to revise the ultra this year, right?
0:57:50Where they also have a new chip inside of it,
0:57:53which is more powerful, and they might push on that.
0:57:56Maybe, I'm sure that they'll say it can allow
0:57:59for something new, and that maybe they will say
0:58:02that they want to bring that to the ultra as well.
0:58:04I don't know.
0:58:05- Mm-hmm.
0:58:06- But it's been a long time since we had
0:58:08a performance increase on the Series 9 Apple Watch.
0:58:11- Honestly, I think the only question here
0:58:12is how detailed do they go into about the system
0:58:15on the chip and do they claim more performance?
0:58:16- Yeah.
0:58:17- But I think you're, I cannot imagine
0:58:19that they would do this and not say that.
0:58:21- Yeah.
0:58:22- So we have Apple Watch Ultra hardware not updated.
0:58:26But we don't have Apple Watch Ultra hardware updated?
0:58:31Is that right?
0:58:33Can I not pick that?
0:58:34- I mean, you can pick it.
0:58:42(laughing)
0:58:43But what is that?
0:58:44What is an update to the Apple Watch Ultra hardware?
0:58:47That's a physical change.
0:58:49- Well, and colors don't count, right?
0:58:51- Yeah.
0:58:52- That is part of it, is that, well,
0:58:54it's the system on a chip, right?
0:58:56It's like, we actually, this is not the Apple Watch Ultra,
0:58:58this is the Apple Watch Ultra Series 2,
0:59:00or if, you know, and it's got the new chip in it
0:59:03and whatever, that would be what it would be.
0:59:04- Is that, but is, yeah.
0:59:07- Or do you mean like design changes?
0:59:09'Cause that's not gonna happen.
0:59:10- I didn't put this in there,
0:59:11I think you put this in there.
0:59:12- Yeah, I think I was trying to do the,
0:59:14is there gonna be, it's an open question.
0:59:17Is there gonna be a new, well, one of the rumors is,
0:59:20'cause there's not gonna be a design change,
0:59:22the Apple Watch Ultra just came out.
0:59:24The question is, do they just say,
0:59:26we also continue to sell the Apple Watch Ultra,
0:59:29it's great and now there's a new color?
0:59:30Or do they say, here's the Apple Watch Ultra Series 2,
0:59:33it's got a new chip in it?
0:59:35That's my question.
0:59:37Is do we know which one of those?
0:59:40Is gonna be it.
0:59:41But what I don't wanna do is say,
0:59:43what you say, which is a different color option.
0:59:44Like if it's just the Apple Watch Ultra,
0:59:46but it comes in black now,
0:59:48that's not a new Apple Watch Ultra, right?
0:59:50That's an Apple Watch Ultra color change
0:59:53on existing hardware.
0:59:55So that's my question for you.
0:59:57Can I do that?
1:00:00- Wait, tell me what you wanna pick.
1:00:03- Apple Watch Ultra,
1:00:04like new Apple Watch Ultra version, colors don't count.
1:00:10Does that work?
1:00:11- I don't know how we'll score it.
1:00:15- Well, what do you mean?
1:00:16I mean, if they just say,
1:00:18we added a color to the Apple Watch, it doesn't count.
1:00:20If they say, we put a new processor in the Apple Watch
1:00:23and it's the Apple Watch Ultra and it's Apple Watch Ultra,
1:00:27whether they call it Series 2 or they call it something else.
1:00:30- Well, let's say, if it's like new or Series 2 or 2023
1:00:35or like what, yes, then sure, right?
1:00:39Like-
1:00:40- Okay, how about this?
1:00:40Let's do this.
1:00:41Sorry for negotiating this on the show,
1:00:43but how about new Apple Watch Ultra hardware?
1:00:46Colors don't count.
1:00:47- Okay.
1:00:48- Right?
1:00:49It actually needs to be new.
1:00:51If it's literally last year's Apple Watch Ultra
1:00:54in a different color, it doesn't count.
1:00:55- Something physical needs to change, right?
1:00:57Whether it's a physical-
1:00:58- No, no, no, no, no.
1:00:59- It might not look any different,
1:01:00but they're making a claim, yeah.
1:01:01- I'm not saying about looks.
1:01:02Physical includes chips, it includes senses,
1:01:05it includes something.
1:01:07It's not visuals.
1:01:08It's like a physical item must change.
1:01:11That's how we know.
1:01:12- Right, right.
1:01:13- But yes, that works.
1:01:13- And changing the color or changing the orange
1:01:15on the button or whatever is not, that's not it.
1:01:17It's a, and this is coming right out of your pick actually,
1:01:20where I'm sitting here looking at the Apple Watch Ultra
1:01:22doesn't change and thinking, well, wait a second.
1:01:24If there's a new system on a chip on the Series 9,
1:01:26would they not put that in the Apple Watch Ultra?
1:01:28At the same time, they've changed series of Apple Watch
1:01:32with no changes on the inside to speak of, right?
1:01:36Just to iterate it.
1:01:37Why wouldn't they do that with the Ultra?
1:01:38So I'm gonna throw that in.
1:01:40- Yeah, and I don't think this is obvious
1:01:41because I'm still unsure if they'll do anything to it.
1:01:44- I am too.
1:01:45I'm out, I only had three picks that I was willing to make
1:01:48in this round, Mike, and we picked them in the first three.
1:01:50So I'm left with this, yeah.
1:01:53- All right, that's the Apple Watch.
1:01:55So our final regular pick round is what we are calling Other,
1:02:00and this could include absolutely anything else.
1:02:05- Indeed.
1:02:06And I get the first round here
1:02:08and I'm gonna go for AirPods Pro get USB-C.
1:02:13- Okay, that's a good one.
1:02:16That's a good one.
1:02:18And we should say all this,
1:02:21this doesn't mean they're new AirPods Pro even.
1:02:23It means that there will be a USB-C charging case
1:02:26and it will be announced in the event.
1:02:28And then presumably there'll be USB-C shipping,
1:02:31but you can also get the case, but whatever it is,
1:02:34as long as it is mentioned that AirPods Pro
1:02:36have a USB-C charger on them now, instead of lightning,
1:02:41that's it, that's all this pick is, right?
1:02:45- Yep, and it follows history, right?
1:02:47When they brought like Qi charging to the iPhone,
1:02:51they introduced like a wireless charging AirPods case,
1:02:56and you could just buy the case on its own.
1:02:59And then also it just started shipping like that
1:03:01for everybody else.
1:03:03- Um, I am gonna go with,
1:03:08boy, I've got a bunch of things
1:03:13that I feel pretty good about, not 100% good about,
1:03:16but pretty good about.
1:03:17I'm gonna go, because I feel like last year I said,
1:03:21this would absolutely be a draft pick next time.
1:03:24Video of Apple devices saving lives is shown.
1:03:28- I mean, this was my second pick.
1:03:31This is the satellite rescue.
1:03:33- Oh, and car crash detection?
1:03:35- Yes, yeah.
1:03:36I mean, they did that last year too, but yeah, yeah.
1:03:39- Yeah, but like, if there's been another life saved,
1:03:42I mean, they're gonna, and look,
1:03:44we're not throwing shade, right?
1:03:45It's an incredible thing that these devices
1:03:48can save our lives, but--
1:03:49- But Apple also makes these videos about it,
1:03:51and the idea that you could have,
1:03:53like those people whose lives were saved
1:03:55in the Maui wildfires because they got help.
1:03:58Like, I mean, there's so many opportunities here.
1:04:01I feel like they've got to do it, 'cause this is,
1:04:03and honestly, it is, I'm trying not to be cynical here,
1:04:07because it's really legitimately amazing,
1:04:10but it's also important marketing for Apple to say,
1:04:14we built life-saving features into our devices,
1:04:18and it's a reason you should use our devices,
1:04:20is because they will,
1:04:21if you are in a certain kind of emergency,
1:04:24they will help save your life,
1:04:25and that's one of the things we do.
1:04:27It's important for them to do that.
1:04:30So they do this from time to time, I think so.
1:04:33- This is one of those scenarios
1:04:35where two things can be true,
1:04:37and I think it's something that there are a lot of people
1:04:39who just struggle to see this,
1:04:40but you can both add a feature
1:04:43because it's good for the world,
1:04:45and also add it because it's good to sell your product.
1:04:48And both, you can hold both as truths,
1:04:51and I think that that's what Apple do here, right?
1:04:54Like, you can add this feature
1:04:56because it will save people's lives,
1:04:58but you can also add this feature
1:05:00because more people will buy your products
1:05:02because it has it.
1:05:03- Yeah.
1:05:04- There's a question for you.
1:05:05I'm trying to work this out, and I can't remember.
1:05:08Do the Apple Watches have the satellite SOS feature?
1:05:12- No.
1:05:13- I wonder if that's something they could add.
1:05:16I'm looking now, and I don't think they do.
1:05:19- That's why one of our options is something about,
1:05:24or that was one of our Apple Watch options,
1:05:27was satellite emergency feature added to one
1:05:28Apple Watch model.
1:05:30- Because if they added that--
1:05:30- I'm not sure, I think it's too small.
1:05:32- I think probably.
1:05:33- I think it's too small, but you would think
1:05:34the Apple Watch Ultra, the moment they could do it
1:05:36with the Apple Watch Ultra, they would,
1:05:37but I think it's just too small
1:05:39'cause they're using the iPhone body as the antenna,
1:05:43or an antenna in the long iPhone body
1:05:46in order to do the satellite feature.
1:05:47So I think they probably can't, but you know they want to.
1:05:50- You know, I wonder, I don't know enough about this,
1:05:52but what about an Apple Watch band that's an antenna, right?
1:05:57I feel like if it ever became possible,
1:05:58at some point they would try to do that
1:06:00because it's like a full feature.
1:06:00- Absolutely, and probably in the Apple Watch Ultra first,
1:06:05but yeah, absolutely, you know they want to do that.
1:06:08- All right, my second other pick is,
1:06:10we pay a visit to Apple's chip lab.
1:06:13- That was gonna be my pick.
1:06:15- Gonna go downstairs and see where Johnny works,
1:06:18and Johnny's gonna talk about how many
1:06:20Nanome is three equals, you know?
1:06:23- Right, now we should say, this is a stagecraft pick
1:06:26in the sense that we have to go to the place
1:06:29that they are saying basically is where the chip people live.
1:06:32And if they don't, if Johnny Srouji just appears on stage
1:06:35or outside Apple Park or whatever and talks about the chip,
1:06:38or other people talk about the chip,
1:06:40but this is a thing they've been doing,
1:06:42which is going to a, I don't think it's a set,
1:06:46I think it's a dressed up place
1:06:49that is part of the chip group's offices,
1:06:51and then they do a shoot there.
1:06:53But that's the stagecraft here, is they're gonna do that
1:06:56because they've got a whole new thing to brag about,
1:06:58which is the three nanometer process on the new chip.
1:07:02- Yep, yeah, I just feel like
1:07:04this is just one of those things, right?
1:07:06Like if they are going to spend some time
1:07:08talking about a new processor in detail,
1:07:10every time they have done this, right?
1:07:13Like they go downstairs and there's all these fun doors,
1:07:16and then they're in this like silvery room
1:07:19with like computers all over the place,
1:07:21and Johnny Srouji's walking towards the camera
1:07:23and he's telling you what chip the new iPhone has.
1:07:25And so, we've seen this more with Macs, I think, right?
1:07:29Which understandable,
1:07:30'cause that's where a lot of the action's been.
1:07:32But if three nanometer is such a big deal,
1:07:36and Apple's super proud of it,
1:07:38and there was this like rumor that they bought all of them,
1:07:41they're gonna wanna make it a selling point,
1:07:42however they can.
1:07:44- I agree, it was next on my list, so I agree with you.
1:07:48Doing a lot of that.
1:07:49Is this what it's like to lose the draft?
1:07:51You have things sniped right in front of you?
1:07:53I think it is. - Yeah,
1:07:53I spent a long time doing this.
1:07:55(laughing)
1:07:55I spent a long time watching those pics get taken up.
1:07:59But who knows though, ties can change.
1:08:02- Yeah.
1:08:03Thinking that they're gonna talk about AirPods
1:08:05at least a little bit, they did last year.
1:08:07So that's the risk here, I think,
1:08:09is maybe they don't really talk about AirPods.
1:08:11I'm a real believer in this pic, assuming they do,
1:08:14because this is a thing that was announced at WWDC
1:08:17and part of the beta cycle,
1:08:19but I feel like when you're coming to the iPhone event
1:08:22and you're getting everybody's attention
1:08:24and you're talking about AirPods,
1:08:26they have been beta testing over the summer
1:08:28these three new modes for AirPods that are in the firmware,
1:08:31adaptive audio, personalized volume,
1:08:33and conversational awareness.
1:08:35And I feel like if they're gonna talk about AirPods at all,
1:08:39they will mention at least one
1:08:41and perhaps even all three of those modes.
1:08:44So my pick is at least one new AirPods mode
1:08:47of those three, adaptive audio, personalized volume,
1:08:50and conversational awareness is mentioned,
1:08:52even though it was mentioned at WWDC,
1:08:55I feel like you gotta bring it back around
1:08:56and show it off and say,
1:08:58look at this amazing adaptive audio mode
1:09:00or personalized volume, these are marketing features
1:09:03and this is a marketing event,
1:09:04why would you not mention them now?
1:09:06- I would like to see another demo and more conversation
1:09:09about the adaptive audio thing,
1:09:12'cause I'm intrigued to know more about that
1:09:15having not used it.
1:09:16So I would benefit from this personally.
1:09:19So if they do it, I'll be happy.
1:09:22- For my final pick in the draft,
1:09:23I'm going to choose the honorary draft pick,
1:09:27which is the rainbow stage
1:09:28at the center of Apple Park is seen.
1:09:30- They do love doing a flyover, don't they?
1:09:32- They love a flyover.
1:09:34There's so many opportunities for flyovers.
1:09:36Sometimes you're just going to join Lisa Jackson
1:09:38on the roof, you know, like there are many opportunities
1:09:40in which you could see the rainbow stage.
1:09:43This feels like a, I don't know, we'll find out,
1:09:45but it feels like a bit of a hallmark
1:09:47of these presentations at this point
1:09:48that some kind of aerial shot will be shown.
1:09:51- Sure.
1:09:53Yeah, that was actually very high on my list of probabilities.
1:09:57- Of course it was.
1:09:57- So it was definitely high on my list here, right?
1:09:59- I'm surprised you didn't pick it already.
1:10:01- Well, I was saving it,
1:10:02'cause I think that the ones that are more likely
1:10:05and, you know, it isn't always necessarily seen.
1:10:08It depends entirely on how they choose to shoot the event
1:10:11and what they choose to show.
1:10:13But they like to swoop in over Apple Park
1:10:15and then down to Tim, and you will see the stage
1:10:19if it's out there when they shoot it.
1:10:21- We have had it in the past where it was like
1:10:23the final shot of the presentation.
1:10:26- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:27Yeah, yeah.
1:10:28So I wanna pick the counterpart to that,
1:10:31which is the stage of the Steve Jobs theater scene.
1:10:34It's a similar thing, right?
1:10:35Where what they did is they shot Tim Cook
1:10:37on the stage of the Steve Jobs theater
1:10:40to make it feel like an iPhone event,
1:10:42but it was just in the video.
1:10:43He wasn't, you know, he, when I'm there watching it,
1:10:47he won't be on the stage, right?
1:10:49He'll just be on the video.
1:10:51So I think that's a bit of stagecraft that they may,
1:10:54I'm really torn here.
1:10:55They may go with, I might go with that.
1:10:56And I have another pick that I think is fun.
1:10:59So what do you think, one of our options
1:11:02is the Lionel Messi pick, which is literally
1:11:06Lionel Messi appears somewhere in the video.
1:11:09It doesn't, his image appears.
1:11:11It could be a montage of MLS or of TV+
1:11:16or of the stars of Apple or whatever.
1:11:18It literally is just that Apple is so into Lionel Messi
1:11:22that his visage will appear.
1:11:25His image appears at some point.
1:11:27He doesn't have to say anything.
1:11:28Doesn't have to be custom.
1:11:29Could literally be a sports highlight.
1:11:31It doesn't matter.
1:11:32It's just Apple is messy mad right now.
1:11:35So it's like, we're gonna stick Messi in the keynote.
1:11:37- This is the zeitgeist pick, right?
1:11:39We always have one of these in the services
1:11:42kind of like corner of our pick options.
1:11:45It was Ted Lasso for a long time.
1:11:48I think just purely Lionel Messi appears
1:11:51or Lionel Messi is seen is like perfectly valid
1:11:54for a draft pick.
1:11:55- Right.
1:11:56And I don't think they're gonna be doing services stuff.
1:11:58Right? Probably.
1:11:59But it doesn't matter if they have a video
1:12:02that shows look at this great iPhone screen.
1:12:05And one of the things is Messi scoring a goal, right?
1:12:08Wouldn't that be like, if there's anything
1:12:10they're gonna do, this is not like a bit with Ted Lasso.
1:12:14This is literally just the appearance of Messi.
1:12:17I'm gonna go with it.
1:12:18Lionel Messi appears.
1:12:19Essentially is shown at some point is all that means.
1:12:25Nothing special.
1:12:27And if he doesn't appear in the stage
1:12:28of the Steve Jobs theater scene, I'll be sad.
1:12:30But you know what?
1:12:31I just, it tickles me to think that Apple
1:12:34is gonna do a whole presentation
1:12:35that might have nothing to do with the MLS deal
1:12:37or anything like that.
1:12:38It doesn't matter.
1:12:39It doesn't matter.
1:12:40Lionel Messi will be worked in somewhere
1:12:43'cause it's too much.
1:12:44The Apple sizzle reel these days,
1:12:46there's like this reel one is everything else Apple does.
1:12:50And reel two is just Lionel Messi highlights, right?
1:12:54At this point.
1:12:55They are so in on him.
1:12:56And it just delights me to say they can't resist.
1:12:59They won't, even at the iPhone event,
1:13:00you will not be able to escape Lionel Messi
1:13:03because Apple is an investor in Messi.
1:13:07- Messi for Messi over there.
1:13:09You know?
1:13:10- Yeah, the draft got a little messy at the end, didn't it?
1:13:11- It sure did.
1:13:12It always does.
1:13:13So that locks in the traditional picks
1:13:16of the draft, but we do have a bonus round
1:13:19as we do on occasion.
1:13:21We always have a bonus round for the Mac OS naming
1:13:23and there is a bonus round with one draft pick on the line,
1:13:27but it's not as simple as that.
1:13:29Allow me to explain.
1:13:31So this year, the Podcastathon is gonna have a new theme
1:13:36that we've not done before.
1:13:39And it is Mike versus Steven.
1:13:41That is the theme of the Podcastathon this year.
1:13:44So throughout the event, the 12 hour event,
1:13:47which is happening on Friday, September 22nd,
1:13:51Steven and I are going to be competing
1:13:53in a variety of challenges.
1:13:55And we will be amassing points throughout the Podcastathon
1:13:58and we'll be crowning the co-founder champion
1:14:01at the end of the month between us.
1:14:03But these points scored are not going to be exclusive
1:14:08to the Podcastathon and we are going to be integrating
1:14:11the draft on upgrade into these points scoring efforts
1:14:14with this bonus round.
1:14:17I will obviously be playing on behalf of myself
1:14:19and Jason will be playing on behalf of Steven.
1:14:23- Yes.
1:14:25- Additionally, the winner of this bonus round
1:14:27will also get one draft point.
1:14:29This round will be adjudicated,
1:14:32and this is the first time you will be hearing about this,
1:14:34hopefully, by Zach Knox in the case of disagreement.
1:14:37- Congratulations, Zach.
1:14:38- Zach, you've been promoted to adjudicator
1:14:40of this bonus round.
1:14:41- 'Cause Steven can't be trusted.
1:14:42- Mm-hmm.
1:14:43So, yes, because this benefits Steven
1:14:46and Steven will take any advantage that he can,
1:14:49then we cannot allow for him to adjudicate this round
1:14:55in the case of a scoring disagreement.
1:14:58So we will be asking Zach Knox for their opinion
1:15:01of how this will be scored.
1:15:03This is, also, this bonus round is formatted
1:15:06very differently to any other bonus round
1:15:08that we've done before, so allow me to explain.
1:15:10We have five terms or phrases.
1:15:15- Yeah, or stagecraft items.
1:15:17It's the things that might be said or shown
1:15:19or played in the keynote.
1:15:21- Yes.
1:15:22Jason and I have 10 total points that we can distribute
1:15:27and bet on any of these five things happening
1:15:30during the event.
1:15:32We can bet as many of these 10 points as we want
1:15:34on any of these five, and whichever ones happen,
1:15:38the score will be totaled up.
1:15:40The person with the most points at the end of it
1:15:43will be considered the winner of this challenge.
1:15:45So that will be the one draft point,
1:15:47but the total number of the points that are scored
1:15:51will be going into the appropriate person's
1:15:54podcast-a-thon total.
1:15:57- So rather than us saying yes or no for each of these
1:16:00and getting a point if we're right or wrong,
1:16:01we have a pool of 10 and we can lay down numbers
1:16:05on the ones that we're more certain with,
1:16:07and if it's right, we get those points,
1:16:09and if it's wrong, we lose those points.
1:16:13- This might make more sense as we go through the game.
1:16:14So Jason and I have 10 points to assign,
1:16:16and we have five things.
1:16:19So, and I'm gonna read them all now,
1:16:21and then we can go through again
1:16:22and put our scoring on them.
1:16:23So periscope is said, aerospace grade is said.
1:16:28- Think titanium.
1:16:30- Bionic is said, think chip.
1:16:34- Bionic is said in the name of the new chip, right?
1:16:36If they say the old chip's name, that's not bionic.
1:16:39It needs to be in the name of the new chip.
1:16:41We're gonna say, yes, we're still doing bionic
1:16:44after all these years, yes.
1:16:46- The word breakthrough is said.
1:16:49- I just, there are no rumors about that.
1:16:51I just, they always say that, right?
1:16:53- And finally, David Guetta's song titanium is played.
1:16:56(laughing)
1:16:58- Yeah.
1:17:00- I like that one.
1:17:01- Shout out to Federico,
1:17:02who suggested this on connected last week.
1:17:05I love it.
1:17:06- So I have 10 points to put my bets down
1:17:09and I'm going to assign my bets accordingly, Jason.
1:17:13- Okay.
1:17:14- I am going to place two points
1:17:17on the word periscope being said.
1:17:19- Okay.
1:17:20- I am going to place two points
1:17:22on aerospace grade being said.
1:17:25- Okay.
1:17:26- I will place two points on bionic being said.
1:17:29- Okay.
1:17:30- And I will place four points
1:17:32on the word breakthrough being said.
1:17:34- Wow.
1:17:35- I will assign zero points to David Guetta's song
1:17:38titanium being played as part of the keynote event.
1:17:41- Okay.
1:17:43Federico is so disappointed in you, Mike.
1:17:44- Well, look, it's a great idea.
1:17:47I hate this song, so I don't want to hear it.
1:17:49- You don't want to hear it?
1:17:50Okay.
1:17:51If you hear it, you're going to be extra mad now.
1:17:53- I will be super mad.
1:17:54But I figured that will just be doubling up
1:17:57on the feeling that I already feel, you know?
1:18:00- Yeah.
1:18:00So periscope, the challenge there is,
1:18:03will they describe it as a periscope camera?
1:18:05- Yeah, I have a theory about this
1:18:07that I might share on connected.
1:18:09- Unique thing that we're doing
1:18:11and we're using mirrors and we're all of that,
1:18:13or they may just say periscope.
1:18:16So it's a question of the marketing wording
1:18:20for that feature and if they talk about it at all.
1:18:23It's a little like not saying metaverse, right?
1:18:25It's like, we don't like periscope.
1:18:28Makes people think of Kelsey Grammer.
1:18:30Not going to do it.
1:18:31That's a reference.
1:18:32Aerospace grade, titanium.
1:18:34So I was looking back last year,
1:18:37aerospace grade is something that they use
1:18:39to describe the Apple Edge Ultra.
1:18:41It's aerospace grade titanium.
1:18:43And of course they say surgical grade stainless steel.
1:18:46They really like pumping up the grade of the metal.
1:18:50It's like this awesome metal that they made.
1:18:53Bionic, my rationale for listing that here is that,
1:18:56boy, they keep doing that, right?
1:18:57Like you'd think it would get old,
1:18:59but it apparently hasn't.
1:19:03And then breakthrough is they just can't resist it.
1:19:06So I am going to put, let's see,
1:19:11I'm gonna put two down on periscope,
1:19:15four down on aerospace grade.
1:19:18I guess if we put the same,
1:19:21then we're basically like, I'm zeroing out those as choices.
1:19:26So three on bionic then.
1:19:28And what is that?
1:19:33That gives me one more for breakthrough.
1:19:35And that's what I'll do.
1:19:35Nobody's playing anything on David got the song titanium
1:19:39being played.
1:19:39So now it's not gonna make me mad.
1:19:41So just to give.
1:19:42Actually, I'm gonna do a little wild card here.
1:19:46Steven Hackett gets a point.
1:19:48No, but that, no, that's 11 points.
1:19:51Seven points possible for Steven and none.
1:19:53And like 10 for me.
1:19:55So no, you're playing on behalf.
1:19:56You are Steven Hackett in this scenario.
1:19:59You're not Jason O'Knell.
1:20:00You know?
1:20:01- I know, but it's now so tempting to do that
1:20:05because just because of literally just because of that.
1:20:08It's kind of an old song though.
1:20:10I here's my rationale is I actually think
1:20:12that there's a chance they'll do it,
1:20:14but it's kind of an old song.
1:20:16- It's not a cool song.
1:20:17Apple like cool music.
1:20:19This is not cool.
1:20:21- Okay, so I guess there were really only four things
1:20:22we were picking from.
1:20:23So you and I are gonna cancel each other out on Periscope,
1:20:26but I'm going in on aerospace grade.
1:20:29I am peaking a little bit above you in terms of bionic
1:20:32and you are all in on breakthrough
1:20:34and we'll see what happens.
1:20:35And the winner of this total point
1:20:37will get a point in the draft,
1:20:39but the total points from this will be assigned
1:20:42to Mike versus Steven.
1:20:43So two games happening at the same time.
1:20:45- If this is still something you don't understand,
1:20:48there are two ways where you can try and help understand.
1:20:50Go to upgrade.cards, which is the scorecard
1:20:53and play around with the scorecard
1:20:54and you'll see what happens
1:20:56because Zach is incredible as well as being an indicator
1:20:59has made this work for us in the scorecard
1:21:02with not too much notice.
1:21:03So Zach, we appreciate you,
1:21:04but also it will make sense when we score it next week.
1:21:07- This is essentially a keynote bingo
1:21:10at a very simple level,
1:21:11which is while you're watching,
1:21:13listen for the word Periscope,
1:21:15listen for aerospace grade,
1:21:17listen for bionic in the name of the new chip
1:21:19and listen for the word breakthrough.
1:21:20And if you have fun, you can score along with those
1:21:23'cause if they say breakthrough,
1:21:24Mike is gonna leap into the lead
1:21:27and we'll see, we'll just see.
1:21:32- This one's gonna be hard.
1:21:33I know the scoring of this is gonna be hard
1:21:35'cause it's like listening for words,
1:21:36but hey, we'll find out and this part is mostly--
1:21:38- Upgradients are gonna be listening.
1:21:40You all out there, you listen,
1:21:41listen for these words as you pay attention.
1:21:45It'll be like a little,
1:21:47if you're in Europe and this is happening
1:21:49later in the evening, drinking game maybe?
1:21:53I mean, drink responsibly everybody,
1:21:55but like if they say aerospace grade,
1:21:57drink is what I'm saying.
1:21:59If they say Periscope--
1:22:00- Could be a drinking game for me,
1:22:01but probably wouldn't be great for the show.
1:22:03- For the show, no, probably not.
1:22:06Although, you know,
1:22:07that would be a heck of a show, wouldn't it?
1:22:09Jason, I won the draft, woo!
1:22:11- All right, you can tune into the podcast
1:22:14at home for St. Jude on Friday, September 22nd
1:22:17from noon US Eastern time to midnight US Eastern time
1:22:21at twitch.tv/relayfm.
1:22:23Jason Snell will also be there.
1:22:25- In person.
1:22:26- We'll be talking more about this
1:22:27as we roll up towards the podcast a ton.
1:22:29And don't forget, you can go to stjude.org/relay
1:22:32to find out more about all of this stuff.
1:22:34We actually have a running,
1:22:35we will have a running score board up there as well.
1:22:39And you'll also be able to find out more information
1:22:41about how you can donate
1:22:43to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
1:22:45For next week's show,
1:22:48we're gonna be kicking it usual school as we have.
1:22:51So Jason's gonna be there in person.
1:22:53So we will be recording live on Monday, Tuesday,
1:22:57not on Monday, on Tuesday on iPhone event day,
1:23:00a couple of hours most likely after the event has wrapped up
1:23:04with the episode coming out a little bit later on
1:23:06that evening.
1:23:08- Right, yeah, I'm gonna,
1:23:10it looks like probably what's gonna happen is
1:23:11I will attend the event and go to the hands-on area.
1:23:14And then I will, it's actually what I did,
1:23:18I think not last year.
1:23:20Did we do it in an Apple studio last year in the fall?
1:23:24I'm not sure. - Yes.
1:23:25So this is going back to like 2019.
1:23:27- Yeah, so we're going back to the classic old school,
1:23:29which is I'll do the hands-on event
1:23:31and then get in the car and drive home.
1:23:34And then we'll, in the meantime,
1:23:36Mike will have processed his thoughts about the whole thing.
1:23:39- And read all the web pages. - I'll use the car ride
1:23:40to process my thoughts and then,
1:23:43and probably eat a sandwich.
1:23:44And then we'll do the show in the afternoon Pacific time.
1:23:49- So you can, we'll be posting about that on Mastodon
1:23:53when we go live as always.
1:23:54We're at Upgrade Relay there, so you,
1:23:56no, we're not, that's a different one.
1:23:58We are Upgrade at Relay FM on social.
1:24:02That's it.
1:24:03So many, so many handles.
1:24:05- I know, we're gonna have to simplify this at some point,
1:24:07but we haven't gotten there yet.
1:24:08- Well, everybody needs to decide on it, right?
1:24:11We can't. - Yeah.
1:24:13- If we could decide on it,
1:24:14then Twitter would still be Twitter
1:24:17and it wouldn't have gone the way it did.
1:24:19And then we wouldn't have to worry about any of this.
1:24:21- It's also true.
1:24:22- If you wanna send us your feedback,
1:24:23follow up and questions, if you have questions,
1:24:25depending on how much is announced,
1:24:27depends on whether we'll have an Ask Upgrade
1:24:29for next week's episode,
1:24:31but you can still send in those questions
1:24:32and we'll get to them the following week.
1:24:34Go to UpgradeFeedback.com.
1:24:36You can check out Jason's work at SixColors.com
1:24:38and hear him on the incomparable.com and here on Relay FM.
1:24:42You can listen to my shows here on Relay FM.
1:24:44Check out my work at CortexBrand.com.
1:24:46We are Upgrade at RelayFM.social on Mastodon.
1:24:49Jason is at JSNL on Zeppelin.flights
1:24:52and Mike is at iMike on Mike.social.
1:24:55You can watch video clips of the show on Mastodon,
1:24:57but also on TikTok and Instagram
1:24:59when we are at Upgrade Relay.
1:25:01- I think YouTube.
1:25:03I think we're reliably posting to YouTube now.
1:25:06- Yeah, but it's more complicated
1:25:07'cause I don't think we have enough subscribers
1:25:10to actually have a name.
1:25:11So I'll put a link. - Right, but you can look
1:25:13for us and we're there.
1:25:14- I'll put a link in the show notes to the YouTube channel.
1:25:16If you could go and subscribe to that, that would be good
1:25:18because then we could give that a URL.
1:25:20- A name.
1:25:22- Thanks to our members and supporters of Upgrade Plus.
1:25:25We will be talking today on Upgrade Plus
1:25:26about what we didn't pick in the draft
1:25:28or some of the things that were left
1:25:29in our big long document.
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1:25:37And thank you for listening.
1:25:38Until next time, until next Tuesday,
1:25:40when there's a brand new iPhone,
1:25:41say goodbye just now.
1:25:43- Bye everybody.
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