0:00:00happy birthday Brady Bala
0:00:04first things first did anyone hear buy an Apple TV market you got a developer
0:00:09unit is that correct that's correct and I also bought for more by being serious
0:00:14haha I was like to know who you buying them for thought maybe you were already
0:00:18doing Christmas shopping rene stars the great stocking stuffers in Madrid in
0:00:21there you just I actually might end up buying roughly that quality depending on
0:00:25you know how gifting goes this holiday season but I wanted to at least like try
0:00:28it myself first
0:00:30once the general release comes out in the store opens it up for those apps and
0:00:34I can actually download the apps to it and spend meaningful time with them then
0:00:37I will judge it as a product but right now i i just i just had the developer 14
0:00:43people who are curious in the chat developer what I believe is the 32 gig
0:00:46one even if I were buying a bunch of buying one today for myself I still
0:00:54might not get the sixty four because I also said I don't think Apple has really
0:00:59shown us if and why and when we would need the 64 over thirty-two you think
0:01:04that because you're not looking at the notes that's ok also I think I i really
0:01:10am not crazy about investing more money than necessary further in a 1080p set up
0:01:16when I know in the next few years I'll most likely 124 K set up so I'm guessing
0:01:22you'll be buying another one of these Apple TVs in a year or two that will
0:01:25support for gay so you know I don't want to double your money to version one
0:01:29before even know if I'm going to use these features and I don't I don't see
0:01:33myself installing a bunch of games or anything so I don't know if I'm guessing
0:01:37anything more than 32 would be waited on me that's what's in this follow-up
0:01:42document johnnie you want to talk about with regard to capacities as you forget
0:01:46that I ordered my AppleTV and are the big 10 and Casey where did you go on new
0:01:51and I'd like to talk about why but let's get let's get through this capacity
0:01:56discussion first it was from Brian PowerPoint us first one to point us to
0:01:59Apple's website where they did actually offer rationale for like why would you
0:02:03bother buying 6432 we talk about this impasse shows we had theories Apple's
0:02:08explanation
0:02:09matches what was our best guess is everybody's best guess watches the plan
0:02:14to use your Apple TV Apple website primarily to stream movies TV shows
0:02:17music or play a few apps and games you'll probably be fine with 32 years of
0:02:21storage if you plan to download and use lots of apps and games 264 so they
0:02:25mention absent gains mentioning games and you know it may be heading in the
0:02:32direction that they're the kind of applications that are most likely to
0:02:34have large content but that's what it comes down to not much of an explanation
0:02:39but at least it's something we talked about how this seemingly makes less
0:02:44sense when the applications themselves the initial download from the store so
0:02:47limited and it was 200 make this something but the applications going
0:02:51down that road how they want after that up to a very large limit so you could
0:02:55fill a 32 with a bunch of big games wide-eyed by the 64 I don't know it's
0:03:00pretty cheap I just wanna get the big one who knows if it's ever use that
0:03:06space or don't just sit there going unused who knows that the software
0:03:09update in the future will bump up the minimum size even if the just use that
0:03:13space to buffer video so that my kids wanna watch a movie that they watched
0:03:18three months ago that it's still on the thing and they watch like seventeen
0:03:22movies and television shows since then that's worth it for me like basically
0:03:26they give it they give me a device with lots of storage unit there is no price
0:03:29I'll buy it so as usual you have rushed to order the most expensive item on day
0:03:36one
0:03:36like 200 bucks it's only a little more than a magic trackpad I guess the price
0:03:43differences so small I guess I would probably recommend ordering the big one
0:03:46if you don't really know if you can spare 150 bucks I know I wouldn't
0:03:50recommend it necessarily in fact this one of the cases where I would feel good
0:03:53about recommending just get the cheapest one because they probably thought you
0:03:56know i mean but for me and says I'm so obsessed with TV stuff I didn't give
0:04:00myself the best chance of having the best experience
0:04:04and it's so I'm I'm excited to try it I'm also excited to move my old Apple TV
0:04:09up to a different TV in the house because I was kind of annoying when you
0:04:13get kids fighting over what they're watching TV or someone to watch this
0:04:17show you can only watch that downstairs because it's an Apple TV and the way to
0:04:20watch anything off of you know and iTunes DRM CODEPINK in the upstairs TV
0:04:24even out our viewing choices once again so both TVs uniform in terms of media
0:04:29access and I will that will bring slightly increase peace to the household
0:04:32so I did not buy one and and that's partially because I'm cheap and
0:04:39partially because I get to be that guy now and I'm defining that guy is that
0:04:45guy who whines about the one thing that's gone away that nobody else cares
0:04:50about and that's optical output for audio so the way we have our home
0:04:54theater setup which is probably wrong but i dont care its latest today we have
0:04:59of course HDMI coming out of our Apple TV I think it's the 3rd gen whatever the
0:05:03latest one was before this we have HDMI coming out and that goes into our
0:05:08television and then there is an optical out from the TV back to the receiver but
0:05:14especially when you have a little person in the house who loves looking at
0:05:18screens that are lit up sometimes it's nice to have the Apple TV on and playing
0:05:24without the TV on and we also have optical out going from the Apple TV
0:05:30directly into the receiver so I can grab the remote mass on a button a couple of
0:05:36times to wake the thing up because it never seems to wake up and I do that and
0:05:40then airplay something to it and leave the TV totally off and everybody's happy
0:05:44Declan isn't looking at the TV which makes me happy and Aaron happy and we're
0:05:49all listening to music which makes all of us happy and it's great and this new
0:05:52one does not have optical audio out and that makes me super sad now I guarantee
0:05:57that I will cave in eventually buy one but for now it's not really feeling any
0:06:02need that I currently have so I'm just gonna wait and see how it goes I am
0:06:06extremely interested to see how the Plex out that supposedly is Coming Out Day 1
0:06:12how that is and if that gets really good reviews that it's probably gonna be
0:06:16enough to get me to cave
0:06:17receiver not have HDMI no it does not at all
0:06:22yea well there's a problem yeah that's a fair point that I could just upgrade the
0:06:26receiver but when it's working in every other capacities so it seems a little
0:06:30silly to replace it you might as well like Marcos doing as well as a way for
0:06:33for Kate upgrade your receiver at this point I can't tell if you're being start
0:06:37here now but I i'm thinking you're not being truthful though I think it's going
0:06:41to be later than next year like the next year I think still will be early adopter
0:06:45time for gay and you are probably better off waiting until 4 K's old-hat yeah but
0:06:50at this point I don't know I really depends on how much you use that Apple
0:06:54TV is an audio device interface you can get a pretty decent cheap receiver that
0:06:58will do everything you can receiver does just as well for not too many hundred
0:07:02dollars yeah you're probably right but i dont it's one of those things where
0:07:06because I don't feel like it's necessary and because I don't really and that
0:07:11doesn't clear up my engine so I don't I'm not looking for an excuse to spend
0:07:15that money and because of that I'm just kind of about the whole thing to do and
0:07:21you get a new one you're going to lose this music ability right yeah I don't
0:07:25know I mean well there's probably some kind of like $30 monoprice thing that
0:07:30can split out the optical into its own thing and there is nothing for $30 the
0:07:34UConnect HDMI cable to that is reliable member and i was looking for but I
0:07:40didn't wanna buy receivers are looking for an HDMI switcher to make up for the
0:07:43fact that television's now come with a incredibly small number of HDMI inputs
0:07:47on them and my extensive research led me to conclude that there is no such device
0:07:53in fact the the the best you know in terms of function out the functionality
0:07:58to cost ratio for multiple HDMI inputs
0:08:01an entire giant receiver is the best ratio which is sad but true
0:08:06right seconds after I said that the ATV tips during the Chat link to a $28
0:08:13little thing on Amazon
0:08:14that does exactly that I'm sure it does sometimes I'm sure I'm sure you can also
0:08:20find similar switch boxes for similar prices with similar strange names and
0:08:25plastic cases and they all came to do what they do and now that it's all
0:08:28scroll down to the reviews and comments and see what people have to say about
0:08:33this thing out of 4 stars but Saudi over really legs bad pasture didn't work
0:08:38one-star verified purchase well he felt a bit shabby optical out didn't work
0:08:43runs rather hot that's concerning this magnificent like there is any way some
0:08:51people have good luck with him I'd say for the switching thing I I get lots of
0:08:54people have no like I bought this $15 be john has been sitting connected to my TV
0:08:59three years and it works flawlessly right but you never know how many maybe
0:09:04you'll get lucky or maybe by seven fifteen pieces of junk or so I wanted a
0:09:08known quantity and there was no as we talked with USB hubs you get one attempt
0:09:14for years and it's great right and you spent like two bucks for right or you
0:09:18can keep buying $10 ones and they keep breaking and frying and flaking and
0:09:22driving you crazy and causing bugs that you don't realize they're due to your
0:09:26house until you've tried to debug it for six months thing that software problem
0:09:29right stuff like that you like where is the apple of hubs where is the company
0:09:34that makes the expensive solid well built a reliable hubs and doesn't really
0:09:39exist I have some good ones I have one of them is recommended to me sit here
0:09:42now
0:09:42usb3 help staying at my desk that is connected to USB to be that's all I have
0:09:46but it seems to be solidly built to use it as a charging station now because one
0:09:51of the other benefits is that it's good for charging stuff so I think there are
0:09:55good USB hubs out there are better ones anyway but I never found anything like
0:09:59that
0:09:59HDMI switchers let the way which is being forced upon them have a question I
0:10:04got a hand let me just going over my desk and see what the brand is Amazon
0:10:08seems to recommend the hutu and what's the battery company
0:10:13anchor in the back into my mind is hutu it's black and it's a rubberized outside
0:10:19not in its plastic is to get a whole bunch of USB 3 ports on it has been
0:10:24pretty solid I mean to be fair the really super crappy I think it was
0:10:28literally like $7 plastic USB powered hub that I have here at the time but
0:10:34when I first got my 2008 Mac Pro also still very reliable but I've had a
0:10:38series of house before these two hubs that have not been reliable that it
0:10:42caused my computer to wake up then caused me to try to debug sleep-wake
0:10:45things for a long time and cause all sorts of walking is with input and
0:10:48mascaras stopped functioning and yeah yeah the more experienced various things
0:10:55the more I just want to buy future things in Thunderbolt persons even
0:10:59though it's probably a mistake and expensive I don't know how great that is
0:11:03although I have to admit that I haven't had any problems any fire are performed
0:11:06every black yeah just hoping that it's like the companies making these are high
0:11:11enough profit margins they can actually is reliable hardware but then again I've
0:11:14also never bought a firewire hope that I don't think it could exist anyway
0:11:18firewire switch fireplace where you plug in multiple firewire cables it's not a
0:11:22based network but such things like that do exist before we leave the home
0:11:28theater topic I have a quick question can you explain to me what a sound bar
0:11:32is five years ago what what is this category is it just a line of speakers
0:11:39like what it what makes it different from it
0:11:41two speakers I actually considered getting one of these its
0:11:46as well as for you you're trying to have a home theater thing but you are
0:11:50essentially space or infrastructure constraints you can't do the 5.1 or 7.1
0:11:55we have a center channel left and right to back and maybe side channels and
0:11:59challenge you have you just have no way to know where to place those speakers no
0:12:03way to run the cables for them or your room is just not the right shape or
0:12:07whatever but you don't want to use the crappy built-in speakers any TV and you
0:12:10also don't want plain old stereo with a base you don't want to point you want
0:12:13something sort of like surround so a sound bar is a big long strips speakers
0:12:18that fixes the space problem by essentially being a similar you know it
0:12:23going underneath your TV
0:12:24basically either directly by credit standards of its low enough profile that
0:12:28doesn't blocking the screen for like an entertainment center it's not maybe not
0:12:32as wide as the whole screen
0:12:33but very long very you know why didn't you know very high and behind the little
0:12:40shielded from the speaker are a bunch of speakers of various sizes pointed in
0:12:43different directions and some of them also have some Processing Zone also act
0:12:47as our own little many receivers you can plug things right into them and they
0:12:50will do sound processing to try to bounce the sound around the room
0:12:56you know dunno processing industry to send out of the speakers and too little
0:12:58data processing and mess with that delays and stuff to try to simulate a
0:13:035.1 ish sound field by using speakers that are all right in front of the TV so
0:13:08that's my sound bars for it so it's a compromise think people don't have a lot
0:13:11of space but one have better sound than they would if it just you stereo but in
0:13:17terms of getting closer to real 5.1 surround where things seem like they're
0:13:20behind you like in the movies and does that actually work better than just like
0:13:24having stereo speakers would it sounds different than stairs because that's
0:13:28like it doesn't obviously it's never gonna actually selling speakers are
0:13:31behind you because they're not behind you there in front of you but some of
0:13:34them depending on the room shape and depending on the environment can do a
0:13:37surprisingly good job of providing a more convincing sound field but coming
0:13:44closer to making the sound sound like it's not all coming straight from the TV
0:13:48now is that accurate is it what the filmmaker isn't intended is it even
0:13:53pleasing to you that all depends on what you think
0:13:56store and they definitely sound different area where the sound better
0:14:00not it's kind of up to you in the end I decided not to get one mostly because a
0:14:04lot of them either expect you not to have a receiver or kind of their
0:14:10competing with the receiver in terms of functionality of how they work and i
0:14:14also eventually found a way to get the speakers around my room and seekers are
0:14:18all in the wrong places but I just did the best I could and I figured I'd you
0:14:21know
0:14:21a receiver with multichannel sound support I'm going to try to get the
0:14:28actual sound field experience and so that's why I but you know now and also
0:14:33trying to figure out how to place the soundbar my setup was a little weird to
0:14:36begin pressure or go to the television anyway I decided against it I don't
0:14:42think they're tired of trickery crazy if you have a small apartment and into
0:14:44movies and want a little bit of a movie theater sound and you don't mind
0:14:49whatever the hell they sound bars going to try to make it sound like that it's
0:14:53it's reasonably
0:14:54even if only just for the center channel where you can crank center channel up
0:14:57seeking a dialogue better that kind of balance you don't get in a stereo setup
0:15:00if you just have right now left a subwoofer hard just turn up dialogue but
0:15:04in a movie with a 5.1 makes the center of town has a dialogue in Ukraine higher
0:15:08than the rest of them to help you know you are other people with low hearing
0:15:12her voice saying what if the person say and you don't turn the subtitles cuz
0:15:15they were in the picture make you read the whole time it's a reasonable choice
0:15:18for that I've been looking for a while and I have not been refined looking for
0:15:22what I basically want is a dynamic compressor in a in a small enough
0:15:28package that I can sit behind my TV or in my very very very narrow TV stand
0:15:33because I would love to have just know I don't care about your movies were
0:15:38everywhere and no I can't hear what you're saying and if I turn up then
0:15:44it'll blasted away everybody up in the house when somebody like you want a car
0:15:48drives buyers only blows up so I would love just dynamic range compression
0:15:51without having to buy entire receiver because my my TV set only has something
0:15:56like three inches of height for this person had be allowed to place their and
0:16:03there are literally
0:16:05allowed by the Historical Commission that runs the the television stand in
0:16:08your house I'm aware of this commission
0:16:10yes and there is there is literally no I looked up forever receiver even they
0:16:15have there's one I think it's Marantz has a really slim line one but it's like
0:16:20a half inch too tall
0:16:22that's terrible so what what's what I have now is just like you know stereo
0:16:27speakers that decided long ago that
0:16:29I think of surround sound the way most people now including you john think of
0:16:353d movies which is I just am not interested I had it for awhile I had I
0:16:39had a 5.1 system for a while and then as we move to a different apartment I would
0:16:43like set up less and less of a drop the rear speakers and I just had the
0:16:46three-point want to remember and then eventually stopped connecting the center
0:16:50speaker and just let them the rate and realize I like that a lot better if it
0:16:54was a simpler and you know I didn't care about the surround so eventually I guess
0:16:57I've now switched but I would still like a receiver and right now there is being
0:17:03driven by this little tiny new force amp that has no controls but I would love if
0:17:08anybody knows of like just a basic home theater range compressor
0:17:13please tell me pretty much every every receiver even the super cheap ones I
0:17:18know as it has a name brand like this is gonna mention under a bunch of
0:17:22name-brand some of them might be like Dolby where they like her but they all
0:17:27have a way to do exactly what you're saying I don't think you can buy one
0:17:30without this feature anymore so I wanted to echo your sentiment about the
0:17:34surround sound system
0:17:35my parents had gotten me years ago now so it's probably ancient by today's
0:17:40standards a receiver 5.1 surround combination box from my Costco or
0:17:47something like that
0:17:48income of the TV and DVD player but anyway that's receiver still using from
0:17:52probably mid to late to thousands and as we move from apartment to apartment and
0:17:57eventually to the house we also do the same thing and drop the rear speakers
0:18:02after like one of those moves and so now I am still key I've still kept the
0:18:06center channel and I stole the subwoofer connected but I haven't had real channel
0:18:11in easily six or seven years now or something that shouldn't do that you
0:18:15should get their due stereo with just nine or stereo with the suburb just
0:18:19signed but don't do five pollen and disconnects
0:18:22literally missing some of the sound like someone there in some movies they can be
0:18:26mixed such that a lie about only comes from the back speakers and you literally
0:18:29won't hear that line of dollars so please just use use all the speakers
0:18:33whatever a sound coming out of your system you're gonna put out sound for
0:18:37two speakers used to speakers you know if your gonna pass some 45
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0:20:33build a beautiful we have a handful of various links and things to talk about
0:20:39this begins with Tom Bell who wrote in to tell us that smaller IMAX came with
0:20:45the three and a half inch 7200 rpm drive until 2012 when the tapered edge began
0:20:50then they changed to a two and a half inch 5400 rpm drive with the fusion up
0:20:55so so apparently that's a history of that movie on Chloe de Guzman I probably
0:21:01butchered that I'm so sorry Chloe shares from Tom's Hardware data on average in
0:21:06two and a half inch drive 5400 RPM drives perform just as well as the 7200
0:21:11RPM drives increasing the spindle speed just increases power consumption and
0:21:14heat with little to no gain
0:21:165400 wins overall which includes powers so we will put a couple of links in the
0:21:23show notes about that caveat in there which includes powers in this test and
0:21:27Tom's Hardware it wins overall but only it's kind of like a car and driver when
0:21:31when some car wins overall because they factored in price
0:21:34you know every other stat not the best car because price was a factor in one
0:21:38car is like 30 grand more than the other it when people sending me letters so
0:21:423401 the overall because they include power consumption 400 is going to get a
0:21:47boost to score is the difference so you can take a look at these benchmarks are
0:21:50times however does break down the benchmark since the individual
0:21:53benchmarks even say what if I care about this what if I get a ride up at the
0:21:55bottom line is that modern 5400 RPM drives with the you know the
0:21:59perpendicular magnetic field but everything's in the higher density are
0:22:02much better than they used to be all this is kind of in the weeds in the
0:22:05details but it's worth pointing out because our main objection is the idea
0:22:09that this thing has no SSD in any spending drives just astronomically
0:22:12slower in random access especially than any SSD because it's gotta spend a
0:22:17little discs and wait for the point to come under the heads and moved a little
0:22:20heads and all that takes a huge amount of time compared to putting signals on
0:22:23different addressing lines and a bunch of flash chips yeah this this to me like
0:22:28I don't think anybody's to waste any breath trying to defend the benefits or
0:22:33drawbacks of particular rpm hard drive is in 2015 it just completely irrelevant
0:22:39it's if you need a bunch of cheap space you get hard drives and if you if you
0:22:45don't need a bunch of cheap space you get an SSD period like pretty much
0:22:51wanted to tell strong about Mac GPUs and noise
0:22:54have been waiting for a new high maximized about the GPUs were like is it
0:22:58worth it for me to get the fast one what is the heat like as the previous one had
0:23:02some problems with the GPU getting really hot and sometimes throwing down
0:23:05some of the CPU and the fan noise so bear feats which is not spelled like you
0:23:09think it does take shows for the link did one of the typical test and their
0:23:13conclusion was that the new GOP the new top 10 GB you know a little bit faster
0:23:17than the old one and it gets just about as hot they said you know all the new
0:23:22both got two hundred degrees Celsius and the fan was running really fast but I
0:23:26mean the noise meter look like about the same in both cases so you know you know
0:23:33it's like it's not worse but it's not better and that was kinda depressing I
0:23:39mean it's not bad news but it's not really good news either but then came
0:23:42into this YouTube video by Max urea and he does a whole bunch tested as a bunch
0:23:48of stats I'm never watching these guys videos in this one had a small number of
0:23:52used I think everything just go look at this video but I think it's very well
0:23:54done and talks like it at a nice pace very clearly could be prepared if he's
0:23:59going to do is get infographics and everything I thought it was really good
0:24:02I was impressed by your YouTube video maybe it's because I don't want you to
0:24:04be any be super famous I don't know that sorry but this video may have a few
0:24:07thousand views so I figured this is not OK Bhd this is somewhat but anyway his
0:24:13conclusions were different and more detail things he said in the overall
0:24:17condition was in the new model the fans ramp up earlier than the old model just
0:24:21try to keep the temperature is down there is rather than waiting for things
0:24:23that are really out of hand temperature wise and then turning up and it turns on
0:24:26the fans faster sooner which is why the great the temperature rises good in the
0:24:31GPU tests seems like the new one can keep the GPU within whatever happens
0:24:37that says the tolerance like they want to keep it under a hundred degrees
0:24:40Celsius whatever whenever they set a limit the new 52 a.m. according to Maxis
0:24:45tests can keep the GPU within that limit with the fan going slow so in these any
0:24:50GPS like well they're both the Jeep user or similar temperature but there are
0:24:54p.m. on the new model
0:24:55way lower so I like that especially in a four-game thumbs up the CPU tests the
0:25:00new 52 a.m. I didn't do any CPU throwing the old one would throw the CPU down
0:25:06when I got to the new and didn't get the CBO lower temperatures sometimes that's
0:25:09slightly higher fan speeds mostly because the new model has a higher max
0:25:12speed for the fan and some SAT around here after 15 minutes the CPU testing
0:25:17the old iMac has thrown down to 3.3 yards and it was a hundred degrees
0:25:21Celsius and the family's going 2700 rpm and the new iMac was not throughout is
0:25:25at fault for gay rights is 10 degrees cooler at 89 degrees Celsius and the fan
0:25:30was going about the same speed 2650 rpm so nice video made me excited about the
0:25:36new iMac because it seems to basically seems to keep the intercooler and
0:25:40Chelsea did a manual override and the fans that if you do crank the fans up
0:25:43the new iMac can keep both the CPU and GPU ridiculously cool so really it's
0:25:47just a question of how much noise you willing to tolerate how much temperature
0:25:50going to tolerate so I'm feeling better about the iMac than the old one as many
0:25:56people point out you're not going to get a real substantive improvements in GBM
0:26:00particular until they change the process i think is also 28 nanometers just like
0:26:04Marcos model but what am I gonna get on as I max and probably gonna get it with
0:26:08the with the bestie Pia also some real-time follow-up from Kim Albertina
0:26:12chap it appears as though the new Apple TV might have built endemic range
0:26:17compression
0:26:19might have a built-in fan of linking they did a member of the the famous
0:26:24iFixit teardown that got them kicked out of the after yeah yeah we know there's
0:26:28no fan but it appears that there might might have now agreed foreperson built
0:26:31in so I i'm looking forward to trying it on by defaulting you can't turn it off
0:26:34me in in the screenshot posted here which one of the videos from somebody's
0:26:41dev kit there's an option on the audio menu it within a movie like this info
0:26:45subtitles and audio and it says full dynamic range or reduced loud sounds
0:26:50nice way of putting it out like that rather than branding it is one of these
0:26:54weird words that every company uses for that
0:26:57range compression the first option is not great but the second option people
0:27:00what people do I'm hoping that dynamic range and the watch a movie and they
0:27:05won't be able to hear what you're saying and the crank the volume that something
0:27:08exploded Bisbee test then they go to some time and yes reduced lad sounds
0:27:13exactly what I want in the ticket so that's that's some good copywriting you
0:27:17could call it
0:27:17Voice boost have a trademark 2012 tell us about the adjustable iMac and monitor
0:27:25stands I'm assuming this is John yeah what people wrote in to tell us that
0:27:28they thought we didn't need to put our miners and have them anything because we
0:27:32were confused about the correct height monitors I'm not confused I know the top
0:27:36of the monitor according to all the economic experts is supposed to be
0:27:39roughly aligned with your eyeliner everything bad that it shouldn't be
0:27:42looking out on all the things I know that member I have a 23 inch monitor so
0:27:46it has to be honest and to be up like that and also if you're if you don't
0:27:50have a keyboard tray getting your keyboard at the right height means your
0:27:53desk is gonna be much lower than you think or you cherish to be higher than
0:27:56we are aware of the year
0:27:58comic least I am an arms embargo is the correct height of all the things it's
0:28:03better to have options and if it means taking a bunch of books or piece of
0:28:06lucite or whatever to make him out of the right height that's what you should
0:28:08do but a lot of people also pointed out that the real solution to all these
0:28:12miners not quite at the right height thing is to either get your Mac monitor
0:28:17or third-party monitor or your iMac itself with a VESA mount then you can
0:28:22put on an arm or any other kind of adjustable thing that accepts Visa
0:28:25mountain I believe this is the case and has been the case for a while now if you
0:28:30want that you can't just buy an iMac it's a great long it take off this
0:28:33little else shape thing and put on a visa you have to order it away from
0:28:37Apple will give you the iMac but you can bet with VESA mount about this place but
0:28:41don't buy them anymore
0:28:44ok and we have some suppose it answers with regard to the face back to fix back
0:28:52the Facebook app usage battery gate thing yes so pretty shortly after we
0:28:58published our episode last week where I basically said this is no bug this is
0:29:02deliberate they are you know jokes about this right afterwards like a half a day
0:29:08afterwards they posted a thing on on Facebook somebody's getting one of the
0:29:13engineers or something
0:29:15things saying this was indeed a bug here's the bug and there was a couple of
0:29:20bugs so they are clearly it was a bug I honestly able to do it
0:29:24John do you know all I did was read the press release but last week when you
0:29:30were like they're doing this on purpose because they're terrible people and so
0:29:32on and so forth that didn't really push push back that much on it but I find it
0:29:37entirely plausible this could have been the bug and the corroborating evidence
0:29:40that I use other than my general attempt to have faith in humanity and belief
0:29:45that engineers wouldn't do something like this unless someone made them is
0:29:50that some people have said now they mention that I've seen that like where
0:29:56if I have watched a video on Facebook that sucks my battery but I have used
0:29:59Facebook but not watch the video it doesn't suck my battery so there's some
0:30:02vague anecdotal evidence that makes me think that their exploration sounds
0:30:06plausible but I guess that realistically speaking of the reason I was struggling
0:30:09last week why would they even do this what is the advantage to Facebook it
0:30:12just seemed like a bug to me so I am willing to believe that this was a bug I
0:30:17do not think that Facebook is actively evil unless there's some really good
0:30:20reason to be actively and I can't really think of a super good reason to make
0:30:24their website everyone's battery down I came up with a few I'm also willing to
0:30:29believe that is still could have been intentional but I was never as you know
0:30:32sure about it as you are and given his explanation I'm going to get facebook
0:30:35the benefit of the doubt say they just had a bug
0:30:39I don't know why I see this could be both ways as I do think they're fairly
0:30:42evil but you know who was it was it you that said you know never achieve what is
0:30:47the line never attribute to malice what could easily be explained by stupidity
0:30:51or something like that
0:30:52John event that I find that I would have caused directly benefit you that you are
0:30:59the person reminded me of it but speaking of John we have important John
0:31:04related news the long national nightmare is over John can you update us on your
0:31:09Star Wars tickets and shortly after the show last week when I was in the midst
0:31:13of struggling to get stars tickets and being sad about the fact that my life it
0:31:16accidentally purchased three tickets no fear just as all cured now I have gotten
0:31:23rid of my three tickets all my sorrows tickets are now 2d
0:31:28Baltimore also reserved seating maybe one side of the visiting us to have yes
0:31:34I'm going to see it multiple times the tickets already bought for the multiple
0:31:37times I'm going to see it with various groups of people so fear not I will not
0:31:41be watching it in 3d I'm actually watching 3d after I've seen it a few
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0:33:58rapper sponsoring our show once again so Apple had their quarterly earnings and
0:34:03this was the fourth quarters I correct who knows whatever it was a quarter of
0:34:08their quarterly earnings and I think most of it was as expected iPads are
0:34:15down fairly significantly sorry federico Mac syrup which was slightly surprising
0:34:21but there are few things that somebody who did their homework whose name is not
0:34:26Casey put Michelle know timothy was John who shouldn't be doing homework somebody
0:34:30has to write China iPhone sales are up two hundred twenty percent I don't find
0:34:35that terribly surprising but that's a lot to keep in mind I think this is
0:34:39because they didn't launch the six in the same quarter in China last year so
0:34:42this year they did not see success in China at the beginning of the quarter
0:34:45something like that so it is an all just like a while Apple thing but it's also
0:34:49that they're they're getting better with simultaneous launches nature
0:34:52nothing but anyway China as everyone says is super important Apple AAPL
0:34:56becoming increasingly important and they're going fast there and then
0:35:02there's a lot of enterprise related things that I thought we could spend at
0:35:05least an hour talking about John I'm sure market won't mind not at all about
0:35:10the new Mac Pros
0:35:11your evil well played sir there are 30,000 max inside of IBM adding almost
0:35:162000 a week and IBM is claiming that it saves them two hundred and seventy
0:35:22dollars per machine versus a Windows computer due to lower support costs and
0:35:26better residual values that's pretty cool stuff like that residual value as a
0:35:31factor which I wouldn't have thought of because I'm not thinking like a
0:35:35corporate being counter but as most of Mac owners know max do hold their value
0:35:39better than old copy PCs for whatever reason just try to buy a used Mac Mini
0:35:43for example and that is a factor in businesses account for them and so the
0:35:50fact that three years after you buy it hasn't lost as much of its value is a
0:35:55Dell is good to support things like I should send these back in time to the 13
0:36:02year old version that means they someday IBM will publish something saying that
0:36:06having max max in the in the cooperation is better because they require less
0:36:11support and it's just it just boggles my mind that is actually still true and who
0:36:15knows how their partner that Apple it's you know obviously they're going to say
0:36:19that it's like IBM saying the TrackPoint is awesome right yet to take all this
0:36:22with a grain of salt but that was the old story which is like a Mac vs PC days
0:36:26I yeah but Max B more B may be more expensive but if you buy a Mac your
0:36:30support costs will be lower because they're not as crappy as Windows PCs and
0:36:34you'd like to think that but computer is a computer and a native of these stories
0:36:37from the Pro Mac people saying I we bought max on our support must have gone
0:36:40down you know this is just a story two stories evergreen like at this point
0:36:45about people everywhere like what everyone agrees that Windows is exactly
0:36:48the same as I was 10 interim like modern computers don't have all those were
0:36:52things used to have like you know IRQ conflicts in DLL how and all that's gone
0:36:57now everything's all plug and play and they should be about the same
0:37:00macsai problems to its like it's all washington who cares anyway because
0:37:03we're all looking at mobile who cares what the hell is going on in Windows a
0:37:06nice tan and then here is IBM you know I believe they actually are saving money
0:37:10not baby because Macs are easier to manage or because that Mac users being
0:37:18less help but it's like sup selecting anyone who may be interested enough to
0:37:21to demand a Mac is inaccurate or knows how to use it needs less support that's
0:37:27got to be in there somewhere but I'm also willing to believe that I always
0:37:29have been willing to please you know I think it's the truth that because
0:37:34there's a less variety of hardware and software
0:37:37your support costs can be lower than just a few variables like to think about
0:37:41that used to be easy to use like mattresses das or whatever but the
0:37:46bottom line today i think is there aren't that many Macs in the world in
0:37:50there are tons of different weird PCs and Windows has to account for all of
0:37:53them and Apollonius count for the max the did itself is made it so good job
0:37:59IBM and it's a crazy world where iBM is buying 2009 max 2000 max per week and
0:38:05has three thousand already that's weird I mean as I think I mentioned several
0:38:10times in the past I'm a child of a almost lifelong IBM her and I mean I was
0:38:15never that big into the IBM vs Mac debate I mean I was to some extent back
0:38:21in the day and I clearly was on the side of IBM but it's this is weird it's super
0:38:27weird like my entire childhood was defined by ThinkPads and to see them
0:38:32basically abandoning their own product which yes I know isn't over and has been
0:38:36for a few years but you know abandoning that thing that they came up with two to
0:38:41go towards Apple Macs that's just me and that's weird and to quickly address
0:38:47Gareth in the chatroom I was not forced to use I was too I chose to you I was to
0:38:52use it was to water it was magical share it wants it was unbelievably good hands
0:38:57and CD was a gift that was totally make so anyway so speaking of IBM in the
0:39:04enterprise apple says that they have earned twenty five billion dollars in
0:39:09annual revenue in last 12 months from the enterprise which is apparently a
0:39:13little over 10 percent of the total revenue for Apple and it's up forty
0:39:17percent year over year my goodness yeah for a company that is interested in the
0:39:22enterprise that IBM partnership as seems to be working as intended it was like
0:39:26Apple's iPhone deal with this crap but they're glad to partner with somebody
0:39:28who will do but the groundwork and just make them the money and you know ten
0:39:33percent of your business shows that Apple stores not an enterprise companies
0:39:36like Oracle ASAP or something is really Microsoft that matter but forty percent
0:39:41year over year is the growth of their their enterprise is like I think about
0:39:45what has happened unrelated to the enterprise other than the IBM deal not
0:39:49like Apple has suddenly rededicated its entire product efforts on the enterprise
0:39:53they're still do with it always done to support the enterprise but I think the
0:39:56IBM partnership is hoping he'll just just sales of Mexico IBM itself alone
0:40:01forget about IBM helping other people to buy Macs and recommending them in
0:40:05supporting them with all their need iPad apps and stuff like that so thumbs up on
0:40:10this partnership
0:40:11seemed like a good idea at the time and still seems like a good idea because I
0:40:14still do not see any area where like Microsoft and IBM's partnership where
0:40:19iBM is cleverly maneuvering to step out on the back just seems like when so far
0:40:25I agree and finally let's make Federico said the iPad is it really like the way
0:40:35we all knew the iPad was you know if you look at the grass I forget things in
0:40:39Jason's now six colleagues think we should add that to the show notes but
0:40:41get aggressive like the sales of the different products and their different
0:40:44lines there's the lines for the phone with just one section of the graph and
0:40:48has its own slope and actually kicks up in recent years and then there's the
0:40:51sections for the Mac and iPad and iPad curves look like their siblings like
0:40:56their way down here that I into lower the kind of sad little droopy you know
0:41:00they're they're going up there not really going down
0:41:03much maybe the iPad a little bit but they're they're reasonable but the
0:41:06iPhone is in a different categories if you take the iPhone out of the equation
0:41:08and look like a blanket but it demonstrated his thing earlier and look
0:41:13at just the curb of desktops laptops and tablets if you visualize it in a
0:41:18particular way as he is done here what it looks like is that laptops are being
0:41:22replaced by tablets so the laptop sales are dipping little bit and the tablets
0:41:27are continuing the curfew between gotta find pretty convincing and it may be
0:41:32that like it doesn't change the reality that the iPad is not going to be the
0:41:35next iPhone we all know that it could just be you know and in the same way
0:41:40that Apple wants to introduce proxy cannot cannibalize its own products that
0:41:44the iPad and especially the larger the iPads are the future cannibalize of
0:41:48desktop and laptop computers and not going to cannibalize the phone at all
0:41:52because thats untouchable it seems reasonable how you view things could be
0:41:57misleading but it really is great and I go totally I see exactly how it's gone
0:42:01but you could visualize the same day different but I like I get the chance
0:42:05down there but I like the ones graphed it showed how the lines or separate
0:42:08universes from each other
0:42:09the graph that shows you know it's not big growth like the max and everything
0:42:14like the growth of that sector of the market is small and Apple is growing
0:42:17slightly and most other companies selling desktops laptops are contracting
0:42:21slightly so it's all just off as a kind of like I wouldn't call it a hobby yet
0:42:25but it's it's a lot of money because everything to us a lot of money but the
0:42:29iPhone is just so ridiculous now that you don't have to like helps to
0:42:32separating calls let's talk about the iPhone
0:42:34everything else in the universe
0:42:38yes so in summary Apple has more money than your didi of choice and it's all
0:42:45stored away in various bank accounts and things are going well so I'd like to
0:42:50change changed hyun quite a bit and talk about what we call this follow out is
0:42:55that right
0:42:56think so I'm all confused now which is different than follow up on the topics
0:43:02have been fallout is the end these variations of follow-up are not
0:43:06officially sanctioned not you know like it was it like for iPhone and I don't
0:43:12need to make an official stamp of approval program for variations on these
0:43:15are not desirable likes my goodness that's fantastic so this one officially
0:43:21sanctioned or unofficially and unsanctioned follow out is with regard
0:43:26to the podcast upgrade with her friends Mike Hurley and Jason Snell and Mike and
0:43:35Jason were talking about on this week's episode what to do with regards to large
0:43:41long-term on premise storage and Mike it said you know offered a lot of people
0:43:46talk about whether or not having an Asus worthwhile and then if you do get a
0:43:52nasty is heard you know half of his friends and say oh you should absolutely
0:43:56without a shadow of a doubt get a Drobo and then he's heard the other half of
0:44:01his friends say you should absolutely without a shadow of a doubt get a
0:44:04Synology and he wasn't sure what to do he doesn't really keen on the idea of
0:44:08network-attached storage to begin with the question is what do you do not do it
0:44:11network attached to do something more physically attached my god what do i do
0:44:15you know says Mike and I know we've talked about this a lot in the past but
0:44:19it's been a long time since we've talked about this Marcos been almost burned by
0:44:24some nice cozy software at least 34 times in the last year so I thought we'd
0:44:30at least briefly revisit this in kind of talk about what we recommend what our
0:44:34thoughts our market you wanna come kick this off
0:44:37yes you're so
0:44:38I mean so we all acknowledge he was graceful enough to give us all Synology
0:44:43units back two years ago was awhile ago now so we all have the same one right
0:44:50the eighteen thirteen plus so so we all have the same giant eight days and
0:44:54ecology and is like this it's not it's no longer their current model but at the
0:44:58time they gave it to us it was a very high end model and as far as I know
0:45:03we've all had great stories of them you know we've all had great success with
0:45:06them they've been proven to be very good
0:45:08the problem with with nasa's though from me is complexity and back up those those
0:45:15are always get me
0:45:16nasa's offer a whole bunch of features because they are just like little little
0:45:20computers really running specialized usually Linux's and there's there's a
0:45:26lot they can do you can have them like you know serve Plex sometimes maybe
0:45:30depending on your transcoding needs like a sieve already talked about you can
0:45:32have them like download BitTorrent stuff for you can have the host Cloud Files
0:45:37for you when you're out there's all sorts of you can do with an ass I do
0:45:41none of it but I just do not use those features at all all I really use it for
0:45:46is archival storage just long-term both file storage things I don't usually need
0:45:53to access even that is all I use it for and so all those features are wasted on
0:45:58me I think and I think that's what most people really need I don't think most
0:46:03people really need to be managing this whole other many specialized server in
0:46:08their house I think what they really just wanted more space for their
0:46:11computers you know I think that's that's the main the main goal here and it's
0:46:15great because when you're gonna move to something like an ass or even a Drobo I
0:46:20get to in a minute
0:46:22you you gain the ability to use 3.5 inch hard drives where you can basically
0:46:28spend nothing and get many terabytes of space it is crazy how cheap storage and
0:46:34compared to our world of modern at least the decent computers that have SSD
0:46:40storage you know where fretting over whether to go with the 512 the terabyte
0:46:45or whatever
0:46:46meanwhile you can get a for Tara by desktop drive for 100 bucks now they
0:46:50mean
0:46:51dried the desktop charger so cheap now and they aren't that fast compared as DS
0:46:56but it doesn't matter what you doin archival storage so an ass is a great
0:47:00way to get a whole bunch of archival storage somewhere in your house and if
0:47:04you want like me if you want to avoid noise at your computer external drives
0:47:09don't really help there but you can put an ass anywhere in your house or you can
0:47:12run a wire so that gives you a lot of options there for you no noise and
0:47:17location and everything like that so there are a lot of benefit analysis but
0:47:21the complexity of managing this like little serving your house has always
0:47:25bothered me a little bit and also the question of backups my preferred
0:47:30playback of his back please I should disclose they sponsor bitumen times
0:47:33although I was using them before the sponsor and I like that place a lot I
0:47:38have tried CrashPlan before and I've had nothing but terrible luck with it I have
0:47:44I tried today I tried running CrashPlan on a Mac trying to back up this analogy
0:47:48I've tried running the actual client that can run directly on the Synology
0:47:53after learning that I've tried so I've tried crash man I think at least three
0:47:58times over the last few years and every time it fails it just slows down to a
0:48:04crawl eventually fails and people point to various like Java heap limits and
0:48:09something that I've tried so many different things that people said oh
0:48:12just change the configuration setting in this file whenever I've tried so many
0:48:16different things and it just fails every time it seemed they just can't keep up
0:48:20with a many terabyte back up with tons of files so I have had terrible crash
0:48:26man but crash man is the only one that will back up a network drive or will run
0:48:30directly on the Synology whereas Backblaze will only backup locally
0:48:34attached things from your Mac or PC so what I do now my Synology in the closet
0:48:42to the discs that uses for Time Machine it to use of those normally as it's like
0:48:46native file system all the other ones it made its serving a giant ice cozy volume
0:48:51is that is then mounted on my Mac Mini server using a terrible iSCSI initiator
0:48:56isn't one that the Mac OS 10 I use the shadow one but the the global samba
0:49:02worst from you was less reliable so they're both terrible and is like $200
0:49:05right there is more money down the drain there and it so I use giant ice volume
0:49:10on the Synology with its crazy rate set up now on natural nice cozy on the Mac
0:49:15Mini as a local disk that fools back plays into thinking its local because
0:49:20it's nice cozy and so then backed ways back it up and it's formatted with a
0:49:25service plus because it kind of has to be for that to work very well so it's a
0:49:29big complex set up when really I think I would be perfectly fine these days like
0:49:36I don't need 10 terabytes of stuff I think I'll be fine these days honestly
0:49:42just getting rid of it at some point and just getting a few
0:49:47either either two terabyte laptop drives in little USB enclosures little family
0:49:51and losers and just tolerating will be implemented noise they make or getting
0:49:56one terabyte SSDs and putting them in little USB enclosures 2012 is now $300
0:50:04and that's only going down over time so like I wouldn't need that many of them
0:50:08you know I don't know it drives me nuts how complex my current setup is and I'm
0:50:13only I'm only not changing it right now because it is currently working but as
0:50:18soon as I need changing about this dump it entirely
0:50:22the entire value of an ass is lost on me and I don't need this giant you know
0:50:27this giant box making all this noise in my closet you guys feel like you're
0:50:33better at it than I am well let me just before I talk about myself if you were
0:50:38to do it all over again what do you think he would do you would do something
0:50:41physically connected or you would just how would you handle that the the
0:50:45problem of long-term storage
0:50:47and a good nasa's is you know often near thousand dollars sometimes more if you
0:50:54need a favor for the same price or less I think I would probably just do it I
0:51:00said just like you get like three or four one terabyte as DS try to find an
0:51:05enclosure that could that can run family and can hold all of them probably
0:51:11doesn't exist I have a ticket if hasn't her computer
0:51:14she's a similar kind of set up like this and with the OWC Thunder Bay many for
0:51:19something that it's the two tries and that one does not run families I
0:51:23mentioned in previous I replace the fan in it
0:51:26require one but it is still has noticeable fan noise and the reason why
0:51:30is not because the disparate happen because it has this Thunderbolt chip on
0:51:34it that this controller chip that runs incredibly hot to the touch if you don't
0:51:37then it and there's no heatsink just a bare chip and it just runs insanely hot
0:51:42I have no idea why they even when the driver idle anyway so what I would do
0:51:48now is probably by external drives and even even if I spent the money to make
0:51:54them all
0:51:55little SSDs so they would be totally silent that would probably be cheaper
0:51:59than an ass and it wouldn't be nearly as much space but I would argue I probably
0:52:04don't need that much space because my nasa's literally had 10 terabytes free
0:52:07for the for the for the last few I he'll do I i totally sympathize with what
0:52:14you're saying but I don't have the same complaints you do as you expected I have
0:52:20of course the same Dec 1813 + util what I can tell with Synology model names the
0:52:27eighth in 1813 means its eighth day and 13 means to the 2013 model so the modern
0:52:34version of what we have is a TES 1815
0:52:38that's why they skipped the 14 yeah I didn't realize that was a thing until
0:52:42somebody pointed that out on Twitter which I remember who it was and I was
0:52:44like whoa mind blown had no idea why so that is 1815 plus the modern version but
0:52:52I freaking love my Synology
0:52:55as Marcus said it was calm it was comps not only the box but all the drives in
0:53:00it we have 83 gig 3 termite excuse me hard drives in these I love this thing
0:53:07it has its own I'm not call it operating system that's a misnomer it has its own
0:53:13web interface lets use that it has its own web interface as many nasa steel and
0:53:19it lets you do all sorts of things on it I use mine is a VPN server all the time
0:53:25particularly lately since I've been working at a clients office and infirm I
0:53:29my Mac I like to be on a VPN and will be on my own it has BitTorrent client if
0:53:36that's your thing it has a newsgroup clients if that's your thing it has
0:53:41really great file sharing so if you have a stupidly large file that you want a
0:53:47center somebody and maybe you don't want to use what's the Apple thing that just
0:53:50came out last year the Apple watch the funny thing where they led that lets you
0:53:55send huge files iCloud sharing or something no no that's not right but
0:53:58it's actually work I've never actually seen it i've never trying mailbag
0:54:03I'm use it that wasn't this year that was my last review at that time so that
0:54:08must have been in Yosemite but yeah I'm used to it it's a nice weight and if you
0:54:13if you use them obviously alright think that the the web interface you can send
0:54:19an attachment without regard to how big the attachment is because it
0:54:22automatically uploads a tag clouds everybody does something like Cloud
0:54:25Apple one of those things does but automatically in with no ads in for free
0:54:27it's something drop as per the chat room perhaps mail drop in any case so if you
0:54:33don't drop you can you can use your Synology to do that
0:54:37and none of these things are unique to the Synology over also be a Plex server
0:54:41although my model the eighteen thirteen + did not have a strong CPU for doing
0:54:47live transcoding and we talked about this in the past month ago on about its
0:54:50best if they didn't work well for me but what does work well for me is having my
0:54:57personal Mac which is effectively a desktop server even though it's actually
0:55:01a 15 inch high res antiglare that's the Plex server in it and I just have it
0:55:05look at the Synology to get all its media and so it just it's a wonderful
0:55:11having a server in the house if you're at all geeky aid network attached
0:55:16storage does not need to be that server it you would probably perhaps be better
0:55:20off with a Mac Mini if you can afford to have such a thing or if you have saved a
0:55:24five Cape Breton iMac and you just wanna leave it on constantly that would also
0:55:28probably work just as well if not better but for me I just really like having
0:55:32some sort of box it's kind of a server that I can offload those those weird
0:55:37tasks like if I do you want to download a torrent of some legal software or or
0:55:42some open the free movie or what have you
0:55:45yeah I can I can offload out onto the Synology if I want to share files with
0:55:48friends or family makes it very easy and the other thing that I love more than
0:55:52anything else is that because I have six of the eight drives in psychology hybrid
0:55:59raid which is one drive redundancy so one of these drives can explode now be
0:56:03ok which is insanely slow is it I don't notice it like any of them agreed 5 a
0:56:09kind of things I mean rates to rate five is also very slow because I believe Mr
0:56:14Right every block to every disk so very someone writes an OK on Reid's nobody
0:56:20uses raid 5 performance and then so there's no you have here is very similar
0:56:24to what people know drove us to do will talk about those I guess so you know
0:56:28which is basically you have like a kind of software managed volume we're kind of
0:56:33many just the whole file system for you kind of have to to to resize itself so
0:56:37that way you can use an array of discs of different sizes and then if you can
0:56:42actually expand the volume by replacing discs wanted to time so it's a cool
0:56:48setup if you if you have
0:56:49expanding needs over time but you do pay a penalty in performance for sure and
0:56:56some with some of them both as a question of liability driven particular
0:57:00has had a pretty spotty reliability history which is why I've never venture
0:57:05into the area myself because if you ask her about owners many of the ones you
0:57:11talk to have Japan find it had no problems whatsoever it's been rocks off
0:57:14of them however you will hear a lot of people telling you all their horror
0:57:18stories interpose and so it just never end and the reviews coming back this up
0:57:23if you look on like Amazon ever free tech sites like it really does seem like
0:57:26they have a spotty history of liability and that's why I I would not I don't
0:57:32think I want to try one but I I don't know you know you never say never in
0:57:36this business so nicely to to wrap it up I I love having some sort of server like
0:57:42being on the network in the house and I really love my Synology and and yes I
0:57:48got this for free if I were to PEP 840 would have been over $1,000 of other
0:57:53drives in it which is absurdly expensive but they have other versions I think
0:57:58they have any age fifteen 15 this year which would be a five-day version
0:58:03there's there's two to Bay versions so whatever you think is right for you get
0:58:10that if you can be a drug or psychology but just having effectively infinite
0:58:14storage is a life changer because I used to have to worry about you know oh well
0:58:20as an example for all these episodes of let's call it highest gear from these
0:58:27episodes of that show you how do I burn them to DVDs so I can get them off my
0:58:31max I can have all that space back oh I don't ever want to download the 1080
0:58:35versions because I don't want to take up that much space now don't care whatever
0:58:40it is I'll take it I got plenty of room and that is magical so I've gone on
0:58:46marcus Stone on John what's your take on all this
0:58:49getting back to the buckets off with Mike and his questions at this point
0:58:56despite what all of us have said what you just said I'm going to say and it
0:58:59said in the past but our particular set-ups what this comes down to is one
0:59:02of those conversations that used to be more common surrounding things like
0:59:06computers and smartphones little bit but mostly computers where if you're known
0:59:11as like the computer guy or gal in your family or your town or in your group of
0:59:16friends or whatever you get questions from people who is a like if someone has
0:59:20done about cars what car should I buy what computer should I get how should I
0:59:24configure the computer that you get a computer questions like this and I'm
0:59:28sure each of us has been the resident tech narrative many times too many
0:59:31people and in most cases you have to turn it into like an interview yet to
0:59:37say all right but what do you actually wanna do what is your budget what are
0:59:40your needs what's important to you and then you can recommend something you can
0:59:44tell them what the tradeoffs are which may make them change their minds about
0:59:46oh I didn't realize that and now I'm going to prioritize this or that I do
0:59:51realize how much that costs are high GPA of everybody in the bottom it's like a
0:59:54back and forth like ok well if you know if you don't want to use any sort of
0:59:58like you don't need a home server you don't imagine of the things you just
1:00:01wanted to be done by Krispy do need to backup or do you subscribe to a cloud
1:00:05backup service do you not want to subscribe to on what kind of backup
1:00:08things you can do this big long complicated interview I think all of us
1:00:12if anyone asked could lead them to the optimal solutions for them there is no
1:00:16optimal solution for everybody just really depends on what you think about
1:00:20that and Mike and his questions like I think we could all do that for him and
1:00:24kind of have a little bit in the Slackware we all hang out but the fact
1:00:30that you have to have that conversation and the fact that you need all his
1:00:33expertise and experience to guide in the right direction shows that this is sort
1:00:37of an unsolved problem the Newton knowing that you have to miss also came
1:00:41up with this like that it's annoying you have to do all this had these expertise
1:00:45and sort of cobble together these systems like that it's not something you
1:00:49have to think about it much better than it used to be mean again I believe I
1:00:53said in my view that time she was the best feature Apple ever had it too
1:00:57and operating system because private I machine getting anyone to do backups
1:01:01ever was just not happening and Time Machine didn't make it so easy that
1:01:05everybody does it but boy did it lower the barrier to entry massively lowered
1:01:09it and still there is a massive barrier yet to go because it's like okay they
1:01:12made it so much easier great that was great and 10.5 right but then you gotta
1:01:16buy an external hard drive and had attached to the USB as a firewire drive
1:01:20back to Nazca to Time Machine over the network of the time capsules leggy
1:01:23Canada time machine to a third party thing like a Synology like it is still
1:01:28backups in general are still way way to art and lots of people think like this
1:01:35is this will be solved when everything is network back up well in this country
1:01:39anyway if we are all waiting around for everyone to get network connections fast
1:01:43enough to back up the the amount of data that they produce and store on their
1:01:48computers where we're all gonna be dead but like other countries may have better
1:01:52network infrastructure outlooks for the next fifty to a hundred years the united
1:01:58states does not have very good outlook so I think it's it's kind of a shame
1:02:03that this is still not to solve problems and Apple for the most part has fun
1:02:08tonight at the time capsule which I wish works better than it did because it
1:02:12seemed like the ideal solution maybe when they get time capsule and they
1:02:17rededicate themselves to time capsule with their no assets coming out any day
1:02:20now I'm sure file system a system of data integrity protection that can
1:02:26efficiently send if you can imagine a scenario where time capsule starts to
1:02:31become a much better solution that is but today we're all talking about buying
1:02:35enclosures in sticking bare drives and Adam Marcos like well I'm gonna buy some
1:02:39SSDs and find things like nobody's gonna do that it's just too darn hard so I
1:02:44think taken from this is there's probably a slut if you're listening but
1:02:48there is probably a solution that fits your needs to back up what you want we
1:02:52don't know what it is because we know what your needs are and in general this
1:02:55is way too hard like this this should not this is one of the last remaining
1:02:58bastions of
1:03:00of computers are annoying and difficult to manage and problematic and there is
1:03:04no easy good choice then I can recommend everybody now
1:03:08yeah and it's really unfortunate because you're right this is way too complicated
1:03:11for people this is one of the reasons why people have often no backups because
1:03:17you know like so many people I'm sure we've all seen people it is really they
1:03:21they will they will have an external drive enclosure on their desk that they
1:03:25call their backup drive but it actually isn't the back of it is just more space
1:03:29for the times into it but I
1:03:31message says time machine is not backed up in 10 days right oh yeah machine does
1:03:36at least tell you that a lot of people think they're running time machine but
1:03:39they're not so an intrusive and they get the message I can imagine them
1:03:43dismissing and going on for itself
1:03:45this is why one of one of my very early like when I started my what was then
1:03:50called the fat bits blog at Ars Technica one of the very source articles I really
1:03:54think was called the case for raid or something like that where I was
1:03:56desperately looking for some way to actually
1:04:00to keep climbing up that stupid backup he'll like Time Machine great guns up
1:04:03whenever I don't even have time she was out by then but it's like it's too hard
1:04:07for people to back up like even even with Time Machine I had to battle to
1:04:12convince my relatives to buy an external hard drive try convincing someone had to
1:04:15spend any amount of money to get a box with wires to connect the basement
1:04:19computer their spot there like why why do I need this what it's like a TV and
1:04:24say that the cable box I guess so it's not a good example but I think people
1:04:28don't want to do it they don't want to buy a thing and then they have to you
1:04:31know the power supply and a dizer there makes noise and I need to be turned on
1:04:34not the nicest and discounting and unmount things it's complicated but I
1:04:39was looking for Apple which is the old Apple's like you just build in twice the
1:04:42storage every single computer like sell computers that say that X amount of
1:04:46storage it really have always have two acts and have them essentially do what
1:04:50you know I think anything is free time machine
1:04:52essentially do incremental backups from one drive to the other right kind of
1:04:57this week recovery partition saving the West but doesn't save you dated all and
1:05:00it's all the same mechanism I basically wanted was a mean again for using it as
1:05:03a trade is not really raised you know the red one would still be better than
1:05:06nothing even though it's not a backup but mike the owner that the premise was
1:05:10the only way you're ever gonna get people to back up
1:05:13sliding them and over provision and give them twice the storage they have and
1:05:16pretend they have half that storage and just incremental backups or no choice of
1:05:20every single bit because that's what people want this on a computer you plunk
1:05:23down like a phone they want to find you on a plane to land phones so far have
1:05:27been able to get by on the fact that the data does not accumulate on phones fast
1:05:33enough to make it impossible to do a cloud backup and so the cloud backup
1:05:37pricing stuff I think going back up there in a better state than computer
1:05:41backup not the best because you know you hear stories that people go into an
1:05:44Apple store with a bump on and that have never backed it up anywhere whether in
1:05:48the cloud or on iTunes in there said the older photos the entire family so still
1:05:53a ways to go there but that that ten of you know that that blog post
1:05:58radar just like just like apple computer so expensive anyway just put the storage
1:06:05and all of them because literally is really the cry for help like we're never
1:06:08gonna solve this with current technology there's no way to solve this without
1:06:12essentially making it not an option and we're still not there and the the new
1:06:18the new slightly more price-conscious Apple that is putting spinning hard
1:06:23drives in the new for a iMac iMac is definitely not putting twice the storage
1:06:29and everything so we're still waiting on one more thing on this we talked about
1:06:35our market CrashPlan backup network drives and backplanes not backing them
1:06:39up
1:06:39lot of requests in the back legs of that and sometimes they were thinking about
1:06:43it we've heard that request so on and so forth
1:06:45I don't know anything about why back plates as a backup network drives but
1:06:49based on what I know about how would I know about the most efficient way to
1:06:55know what needs to be backed up on the west end the most efficient way you can
1:07:00do that is to use the various API's in the West End let you know hey since the
1:07:04last time you asked me I can tell you that things have changed in this
1:07:08directory that director in that directory and maybe even like yours with
1:07:10the changes that's what you need to be able to do otherwise have been trying to
1:07:14back up literally four million files which is not an unreasonable number
1:07:17files or something with a lot of data
1:07:19every time you run the backup the first job as do is say since the last time
1:07:23backup which of these four million files have either been added deleted or
1:07:28changed since the last time I did a backup and without a more efficient
1:07:31method you have to basically scan the entire drive and ask every one of us are
1:07:36you doing are you doing are you still there have you been updated
1:07:40compared to last time you backed up or whatever that is massively inefficient
1:07:44so you want to do more efficient mechanism and offer several more
1:07:48efficient mechanisms but most of them require pretty much all I think require
1:07:52the official mechanisms require the i/o to that drive to go through the kernel
1:07:57the operating system so if you have local stories like it sounded like a
1:08:00local disk will be relying on its not really local high schools there are
1:08:02literally as a local disconnected through a FireWire or you know
1:08:06Thunderbolt or USB or sad or whatever if the iota discontinued wrote the filed by
1:08:12sending out through the kernel running on this Mac and same for all the other
1:08:16operations than 10 will have a lot of all those events in the president's log
1:08:22and has abyei's for you to ask it what happened since the last time I asked and
1:08:27you can give you the answer really quickly and efficiently without scanning
1:08:29the entire drive you can't do that for a network drive because a network drive
1:08:33people could be doing I O two other Macs going through their kernels and there I
1:08:37O system and your turn on your OS has no idea that's happening so there's no way
1:08:40to say hey what happened to the network drive since last time I asked because it
1:08:44doesn't know you just don't know so if actually did you network drive support
1:08:48they would have to do what CrashPlan does which is everything you do that I
1:08:53get a rescan the whole free network drive and find out what has changed
1:08:56since last time because there is no more efficient way to ask about it because
1:08:59other people could be updating the drive at the same time locally attached
1:09:02storage so you know price wise are not going to network drives because they're
1:09:06potentially large or whatever there are technical reasons why even if a close
1:09:10added support for network drives it would be crappier than that closes
1:09:13support for local storage I don't know 44 CrashPlan I don't know if it does the
1:09:19good API for local storage even just go out and do nothing I crashed my news
1:09:24recently they announced that there's a new version of crossfire coming up it
1:09:26does not use Joba on OS 10 and I sent another thorn in our side about
1:09:30crash-landed
1:09:31it is a job application yet that's not the JVM forward and doesn't feel native
1:09:35and it's you know as opposed to going back legs which is native application
1:09:39and a diversion class crash Monday supposedly coming out maybe that won't
1:09:43rule it matters but it certainly won't improve the fact that it just can't know
1:09:46what changed on network drive it without scanning all the stuff of the drive I
1:09:51get around that time I person set up briefly touching on that by mostly story
1:09:55on my network attached storage you there
1:09:59large files like the sparse disk images I think there's a broken up in like two
1:10:03gig strips or whatever basically largest files or things like video files that
1:10:08are also very large so it is a small number of relatively large files and
1:10:12that's it's faster to scan that scanning texas gal with a number of files that
1:10:15you have to scan so I have not so many files not so many director is but those
1:10:19files they're very often hundreds of megabytes or gigabytes or larger so
1:10:24that's why I backup my Synology CrashPlan backing up my psychology and
1:10:28even though does the incredibly inefficient scan the entire disk has no
1:10:31choice
1:10:32network attached storage it works in a reason for all the things you mentioned
1:10:37about about network drives having all these you know all these limitations
1:10:41based on the fact they could be accessed through in shared mean by somebody else
1:10:44I hate browsing network drives like i dont the first of all spotlight design
1:10:50index them so if you have files on network drive spotlight just can't find
1:10:55them as far as I can tell and then number one thing is I hate getting I
1:10:59hate having to connect
1:11:01hit connect them aside I don't know if things cannot reliably these days what
1:11:05year is this but for some reason it seems that can't happen right
1:11:10good the server hit connect go back to the dr what the spinner while Lloyds
1:11:15list of files in the directory on what has been here again is a list of those
1:11:19files like it's it's so stupid and I mean that in the sense that it is not
1:11:25smart it is just really simple in in in a primitive way and it is just terrible
1:11:32like I don't think it's unreasonable to want all my stuff to be available
1:11:37quickly really even though it results in a desk covered enclosures and wire then
1:11:42possibly know these issues if you don't if you don't go all out
1:11:45I really do think that just a couple of external drives is by far the best
1:11:51choice most of the time if it as long as I can fix what you need to say it is
1:11:56probably the right answer for my because I don't think he wants any sort of
1:12:01management thing like all the stuff that I really get jazzed about in my Synology
1:12:06being able to offload file downloads a file uploads being able to have a VPN
1:12:11endpoint I don't think mike wants any of that in so I think you're right Marco
1:12:16that just having one or more enclosures physically hanging off his computer is
1:12:20probably from what we can tell the better answer for him is the other angle
1:12:24that mention that we got our colleges are free and it's kind of like for me it
1:12:28was the ultimate like gift to your is one of five people guessed that they
1:12:32wouldn't buy themselves especially people who like seems it is by
1:12:35themselves or whatever they want whose names I Marco it's very difficult to
1:12:39know what to get them because it's like what they wanted something would already
1:12:41bought from somebody usually something that somebody won't buy for themselves I
1:12:46think it's a thriller they don't think they need to do whatever but if they got
1:12:49it would actually enjoy it and really good guy Raz buyers and I'm not one of
1:12:53them can figure out with us things are anyway
1:12:55Synology PR department actually turned out to be really good for me because
1:12:59I've been thinking about NASA's for a long time but unlike other expensive and
1:13:02they don't have data integrity and I don't imagine the server analysts are so
1:13:06things but because I got one for free whenever throw down there still would
1:13:09like to tell you now this thing broke I would buy another nests but I don't know
1:13:15it's literally the only an asset ever owns I have no way to compare to other
1:13:19nasa's of the stories I've heard from people but I would buy another one
1:13:22because now that I have it I do what case it does I love having another I
1:13:26love having a huge amount of storage that is in a different room I love all
1:13:30the little server management things like it would you know it's been totally
1:13:33reliable to me let me let everything auto update the apps I don't let the
1:13:36apps auto update on my phone date on it
1:13:42everything's always been fine it's always up it sends me email us like it
1:13:46goes on the UPS power so I can tell when someone is overloading a circuit breaker
1:13:49in the house and I can't tell if the power goes back
1:13:51i download torrents from its I don't believe any of my computers running to
1:13:55just to download torrents and stuff like that it is also the video that my kids
1:13:59watch integrates with my TV ITV can read can play around with nothing just the TV
1:14:06and of course every other device that I have can also play very often like my
1:14:08Playstation and the Apple TV and serious I got the call the place out there like
1:14:14that all the stuff that I would thought would be a frail and the DUI's I kinda
1:14:18gross and Linux and it is I use it all the time and I love it and so had I not
1:14:23been gifted this thing I wouldn't I would still be saying like now I don't
1:14:26need something like that but now that I have it I would totally get another one
1:14:29maybe not maybe one cuz like mark I have a lot of free space on the thing at this
1:14:33point but but i like it so I wouldn't be so quick to tell somebody special
1:14:40someone who's never going to ask that you told you don't need an ass cuz you
1:14:42may end up like Mark Owen said you know it really what I really want is just a
1:14:45bunch of really silent you know as he started writing my desk its native
1:14:49speeds or you made an application and be excited by the possibilities of your an
1:14:55ass and love it every time you get to copy something to her from it over your
1:15:00local gigabit network and the I was really fast this bunch of multi-gigabit
1:15:04video files and you don't hear the discs and they're far away as great yeah I i
1:15:10would like to double down and everything you just said John particularly about oh
1:15:13yeah I don't think I needed that I've been ruined for life because now that I
1:15:17have this Knology I will never ever ever not have another NASA and unless
1:15:22something goes horribly wrong with the Synology all of a sudden I will probably
1:15:26always buy small cheese from now on because I freaking love this thing I
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1:17:44soup google has entered the podcasting ecosystem what is this all about
1:17:53so we don't know a lot about it yet so here's a blog post and they did a couple
1:17:58interviews I listened to and so the short version is that Google Play Music
1:18:04which is their music streaming service I guess about it but Google play music is
1:18:10adding podcasts to itself
1:18:13and so what this weekend and it's gonna start out and read only but for the most
1:18:17part I believe this is going to go everywhere you know soon at some point
1:18:22so assuming to be everywhere
1:18:24soonish this is basically Google's big play in podcasting as far as we can tell
1:18:28they used to have a really basic entry player I think but I think it was a long
1:18:35time ago anyway what this means for podcasting is still a big question mark
1:18:41the idea is there going to be blending podcasts in with music in this one
1:18:47unified Google play music service and then they I i guess i get i dont too
1:18:51much about it but I guess the whole idea of who play music is is too kinda select
1:18:55what you want to hear right now based on all the stuff who knows about you which
1:18:59is a lot so it's like you know if your gonna be at the gym they're gonna pick
1:19:03gym music for you if you're gonna be you know when the car they gonna pick you
1:19:07know that that's that's like the idea is that it kinda it can automatically can
1:19:10select and play stuff that they think is going to make the most sense for you
1:19:15doing right now based on your your activities and taste and so they're
1:19:19they're mixing podcast into that and so used to be all music now to music plus
1:19:24podcast you like or something it's unclear to me whether it's going to be
1:19:28like you know whether you subscribed specifically to things or whether it's
1:19:33random or whether it's both I don't know yet
1:19:36and and the implementation details are fairly important here this is not open
1:19:41of course because Google is not open despite what they say this is not an
1:19:46open standard and is not either open or standard well it's better than has been
1:19:50on Facebook instant articles where they make you for our Apple news for that
1:19:54matter where they make you like right some weird format they just read your
1:19:59RSS yes sir but it that's a that's a one-way transition so here's here's what
1:20:05happens and this is by the way very similar to stature and I don't know if
1:20:08this still works this way I haven't had in awhile but very similar to release
1:20:12used to work so you can subscribe to anything you want the podcast has to opt
1:20:18into this because Google is not just reading RSS feeds and I'm going to your
1:20:23server for each person who plays the filing
1:20:27does it in the most players do it is everyone publishes RSS feeds anywhere
1:20:31who cares this is the open web you can publish our city wherever you want and
1:20:36then the the client at the players like overcast or Apple podcast app they go
1:20:41down with the file directly from the publisher and that way the publisher
1:20:43first of all time the hook for things like them with an everything but also
1:20:47the publisher then get stats the publisher can control that publisher
1:20:50host the file and conserve exactly the file that will be served the people that
1:20:54you know they can make sure like give me this exact encoding exact metadata but
1:20:59you know this is my file and that they know what they're serving they know how
1:21:02many times they served as to how many people where they are you know roughly
1:21:06with IP geolocation and stuff like that and I have no logs I think that's
1:21:10something people don't realize about iTunes is that when you buy when you buy
1:21:13music from iTunes Apple is giving that do they have host the files when you buy
1:21:16applications from the App Store Apple is giving those files they host the
1:21:20applications but when you do a podcast which are in the same place and look
1:21:24very similar happens not hosting podcast those are coming from the individual
1:21:27podcaster service which is why this is low at the time
1:21:30yeah so anyway what's did you can with a few years ago but their service was
1:21:36basically like it was a very similar thing we're like you you have a
1:21:39publisher would have to opt-in was first I didn't but that was mistaken and use
1:21:44it as a top 10 because what they were doing was basically free hosting your
1:21:48files first of all who did not so that they would read your rss feed and then
1:21:52you they they would automatically download all your files and basically be
1:21:57their own cash for them in their own CDN and serve their copy of your files to
1:22:01other listeners so they know they can eat the cost in the bandwidth there but
1:22:05they also got all the control and all the stats and they also a transcoder
1:22:09filed into a lower bitrate to save space and to save them within make extreme
1:22:13better for people and make it sound worse right hand soap and of course make
1:22:17it sound worse so Google play music is doing all those things it is so so you
1:22:25at the publisher you go and agree to our terms and you submit your feed so if we
1:22:30decide that we don't want to do this you just can't play tepee music like any
1:22:35matter how much you can play it is that it's not it isn't based on the open web
1:22:39at all
1:22:39and you know whatever show if a brand new show launches you should check it
1:22:43out it probably won't be there you know it we'll see what happens over time but
1:22:46anyway so you go and subscribe to the show and then you are getting their copy
1:22:51of the file so you're you're download won't show up in the publisher's main
1:22:56stat system now Google is saying they will offer publisher stats like it you
1:23:00go into their dashboard you look at their stats but most podcasters who do
1:23:04care about stats which is anybody who serves ads they're ready to know they
1:23:09are to have their own systems for that so this morning agree with that it will
1:23:11be a separate thing you have to opt into and then go and check and then manually
1:23:15like adding to your stats system somehow or make some kind of API thing if there
1:23:19is an even is an API but he usually isn't from our Google services because
1:23:23they're so open so anyway they're gonna copy and then transcode your file
1:23:28possibly reduce the quality and of course they're going to reserve the
1:23:31right to play ads fortunately not in the middle of your show but between shows so
1:23:36you know because I think they can play any song free tier with that some of
1:23:40that so that that part is a little odd and uncomfortable for podcasters but
1:23:45that's the reality of free streaming services at least they aren't cutting
1:23:48into the middle of our show so that's the deal for podcasters basically
1:23:52they're they're doing it to go away where they know best
1:23:57they don't want to deal with the peons you know you deal with their system and
1:24:01they know any no that's that's the way to do it
1:24:03the other aspect that is very ghoulish but not evil
1:24:07use the old thing is that once they have your files and your data they will
1:24:14almost undoubtedly serve them up faster than the random into podcasters gonna do
1:24:19and they will also probably everyone is assuming I don't see why they wouldn't
1:24:22run them through something that translates the text into speech provide
1:24:27full text search for them like to try and obviously had underscored David
1:24:30Smith for finding things maybe there won't be on day one maybe it'll be in
1:24:35year three or four but surely what basically once school gets data and
1:24:40they're getting data by simply reading your rss feed employing all those files
1:24:43they are transcoding on their processing them
1:24:45I'm sure they they will if they have any kind of algorithms to do anything useful
1:24:51related to search to audio files I'm sure they do they're gonna do that the
1:24:54podcasts and that you know you are you talking about it from the perspective of
1:24:59a publisher but from the perspective of a user if like they did with Google
1:25:04photos if Google can provide something that appears magical like you can just
1:25:08type the word teacup as a bunch of pictures of tea cups are you can just
1:25:10type some words and find podcast with those things were spoken using the magic
1:25:14of Google that is an attractive feature to users because there is nothing
1:25:18equipment than any of the other podcasts including probably sitter because I
1:25:21imagine they don't have a data analysis tools that Google has their disposal so
1:25:25the potential upside to Google's own little dude google reader reader style
1:25:32not gonna call it a walled garden that cold chain link fence garden is that
1:25:36they can provide features to users by sucking in all this data that other
1:25:40people who are less interested in podcast because Apple seems to be there
1:25:44they're right there whenever there or just don't have the tech likes that
1:25:48those companies can't do that so there is potential user upside of this service
1:25:54and that scares me a little bit because I don't want podcasts too I don't want
1:25:59to Google Play to be the equivalent of iTunes shows the type that Apple's kind
1:26:04of Miley disinterested in podcast is good I like that I like it because it
1:26:08keeps it keeps it open it keeps podcast is a thing that anyone can have mine and
1:26:12I was like whatever as long as it's not porn doesn't have you know too much
1:26:16objectionable material will will put it up in our directory and you host the
1:26:19files and go ahead you know I like that I get better than Google Reader scenario
1:26:25where eventually the only way anyone ever listens to podcast this Google
1:26:29thing we are forced to do the school thing and have ads inserted between our
1:26:32show we are forced to have our show transcoded had no control over we are
1:26:35forced to end up numbers in two different locations
1:26:38that's not long term that's not good for anybody
1:26:42short-term we're all saying as producers this is doesn't we don't like it that
1:26:45much but if everybody starts going through Google Play will be forced to
1:26:48put up there are those are going to kind of audience by 50 percent 20% to 90%
1:26:52like in the end Google Reader is all there was in RSS
1:26:56then we run away there was a big power vacuum in a few other things like he'd
1:27:01been stuff came up and it is just never been the same yeah so that like that
1:27:06simulate the whole like you know what if this becomes so big that we all have to
1:27:10play ball that is the biggest risk for publishers ate it does seem on the face
1:27:14of it like we we've we kind of decided early on that we didn't want to be on
1:27:18stature and most of the reason we're gonna be in stature was all of that
1:27:22there was also the way I read the terms there was a promotional requirement to
1:27:26promote stitcher on the show that's one of the reasons why you hear so many
1:27:29people are saying find us on iTunes and stitcher because they had to and we did
1:27:35not agree to that so we didn't do it the only reason we could say no to that
1:27:38would be as it was so small but by most people's estimations teacher is five
1:27:42percent or less of a listener base so it wasn't it wasn't big enough to make it
1:27:46worth those downsides but this might become that big and right now you know
1:27:52podcast listening in general is very very lopsided right now towards iOS
1:27:58lipson occasionally will publish will discuss stats and I believe the ratio is
1:28:04something like eight to one in favor of iOS among all showed lives in a post
1:28:08which is a pretty wide range of shows so the total podcast listenership is still
1:28:14very iOS happy and that might be the case for quite some time and you know in
1:28:18my opinion because if you look like what podcasts are popular and what kind of
1:28:23people listen to podcasts I think it does a lot of overlap with the kind of
1:28:28people who should have listened to public radio and that does tend to skew
1:28:32upscale younger smarter richer more liberal and those are all I think
1:28:39demographics are more likely to have iPhones and Android devices also a not
1:28:44so I'm not trying to be inflammatory I think that's actually true I think that
1:28:47actually born out by stats but feel free if I'm sure if I'm wrong
1:28:51feel free to tell John so this might not matter in the sense that maybe Andrew
1:28:56people just aren't that into podcast listening you know it enough to take
1:29:01over the whole market and I'm not gonna say there aren't any but it's not going
1:29:05to be like a massive proportion of the of the market
1:29:09right now but who knows what will happen in the future right I don't want
1:29:13podcasting to be like YouTube where we're like you know right now if you
1:29:17need to make video online is basically your YouTube don't really have a lot of
1:29:21other choices that have any reasonable number of viewers like if you want to
1:29:24reach the people who watch videos he basically had to publish videos on
1:29:27YouTube I don't want picus never become that I'm a little worried about this
1:29:31from that point of view that the only the only thing that gives me hope is is
1:29:35that it doesn't seem like it will be that big you know it seems that the kind
1:29:39of thing they're doing because it isn't that much work for them to do on in the
1:29:43grand scheme of things they're trying to boost Google Play Music make it more
1:29:46people it wouldn't surprise me of a bold and they're doing something similar with
1:29:51like blending podcast and Apple music and in similar kind of way because these
1:29:56these services are both trying to beat her over the head and track people with
1:30:00Spotify did the same thing are they talking do the same thing I thought they
1:30:06talked about the podcast yet but i dont I mean I use Spotify several times a
1:30:11week if not daily and I don't recall having even stumbled onto a podcast
1:30:14section Spotify now doesn't mean it's not there I just haven't noticed
1:30:18the way they're positioning this as lake just something that will start playing
1:30:23when you wanna hear podcast or something that's what we'll have to see how to
1:30:28practice but that to me sounds like this is a system developed by people who hate
1:30:34podcasts or do understand them because they understand like a TV show you don't
1:30:38you know when we were kids when I was a kid anyway you could watch any episode
1:30:41different strokes and was fined as there was no continuity but podcast most
1:30:45popular certainly something like cereal discontinuity got started episode 12 go
1:30:49through in order you can't just be like ok play podcast you are you doing
1:30:52interleaving seventeen different shows that the random episodes will make any
1:30:55sense or even just like in leaving podcast with music makes no sense also
1:30:59like a three-minute song and then the to our podcast exactly like it just doesn't
1:31:03make sense so I'm hoping to be smart about it than that but upon first glance
1:31:08this looks like in in the same kind of way that the App Store in many ways you
1:31:16can tell by by what Steve Jobs thought of third-party software you can kind of
1:31:21tell the App Store was designed as a marketplace for software by a CEO who
1:31:28really didn't like something that's it
1:31:30the holding with like calling them apps it's kind it's kind of trivialize it
1:31:34it's it's kind of like you know talking down to it in a way that's my take on
1:31:39apps you think it's talking down I think it was branding and it was brilliant and
1:31:42it was trying to make application software something simple that everybody
1:31:46is that where I agree with you is that implementation why's it was so clear
1:31:49that is repurposed all the software and services and everything they had related
1:31:53to the iTunes store selling music and just said dolled up a little bit and
1:31:56blogs a store selling out that part is definitely true but I don't think the
1:32:00diminutive app or the attitude towards software is recognized as merely
1:32:03recognize that Apple's not very good services in the one thing that had they
1:32:07can sell that can send you bits sell you bits get take money and give you bits
1:32:11and keep track of what you purchased was a thing they had built a Cell music and
1:32:15they just adapted to sell up and look like that from the outside but I think I
1:32:19think Steve Jobs likes offer my eye I think there's really a combination there
1:32:22I think it is some of that like kind of condescending attitude
1:32:27and and also very similar to the problems Apple has with game where it's
1:32:31a little bit of the condescension and also just as early just not
1:32:34understanding it very well and so anyway I look at what I see from this so far
1:32:40and I heard there was a pre-interview on the on the actual believes in podcast
1:32:45which are linked to the name of the right now but there's interview one of
1:32:48the managers or something i some kind of manager title of this team talking about
1:32:53it and if you can get through the corporate speak which is not easy and
1:32:57all the really painfully scripted talking points that the guy just kept
1:33:01hitting in response to every question home is that people talk in California
1:33:07oh my god anyway it was that was rough but if you can get there all that you
1:33:10can come up with the idea of how they see this and it does kind of seemed like
1:33:13this is Google's version of like absent game centers like this is like that for
1:33:20podcasts you know it seems like this is designed by people who they they want to
1:33:26have podcasts in there but it just seems like at least at least the way they were
1:33:31talking about enrollment so far it again this could all be wrong when it launches
1:33:34we don't know but it does seem like this is a weird system designed by people who
1:33:39don't get and maybe don't respect podcast but we'll see what happens we'll
1:33:45see ya I think I could be wrong about their understanding I'm just not guess
1:33:51because I had imagined that like many things that go beyond reason this
1:33:54happening at all because somebody actually is really in the podcast in
1:33:57which they were part of a thing
1:33:58fact that it has to partner who will play that's the strategy tax you know
1:34:01it's like well you know percentage wise many more people listen to music and
1:34:05podcast we are to have this music thing I can't integrate that both audio yet so
1:34:10that's kind of a shame but I think there is some understanding of how people
1:34:14enjoy pi guess what is the reason that this project is seeing the light of day
1:34:18at all as just a matter of how you know how I welcome the integrated how can
1:34:24they take this thing that's most music streaming service and indirect podcast
1:34:28in a way that is actually very like Pakistan sure they're gonna try to but
1:34:31the same grace here may be exactly the same
1:34:34the saving grace of apple and Google's really interested in the play music
1:34:38thing
1:34:39podcast just a nice to have their never interested enough in it too
1:34:42ever attract a large enough percentage based i mean they weren't interested in
1:34:46RSS you there but Google Reader got big kind of like organically on its own and
1:34:52just slowly swallowed up everything and they but they've never really did have
1:34:55interesting and I like you know what forget it and they shut it down and so
1:34:58hopefully this will not grow organically like that at all it'll be there it's
1:35:02good that is there some people use it people complain that we're not just like
1:35:05some people complain that were not institute but hopefully it won't ever
1:35:07actually be a big deal because Google corporate is never like you know what
1:35:10the next multi-billion dollar thing is podcast like people are into podcasts is
1:35:15the next multi-million dollar industry but for a single company it's not like
1:35:20sign music seems much bigger than podcast at this point I think they'll
1:35:23probably always be the case I'm hoping that podcast will always be weird enough
1:35:28like you know like talk radio has always been you know narrowly focused enough
1:35:33even though it's also massively popular but in the grand scheme of things it's
1:35:37not as messy as popular as video games and movies and music right so yeah we'll
1:35:42see what happens I mean for publishers point of view you can act like you know
1:35:45what's the downside of putting yourself in here i dont short-term immediately I
1:35:51don't think the down-sizer very big you know yet kinda sucks that that they host
1:35:55the files it's probably gonna sound worse than your files you care about
1:35:58quality like I do who knows if it'll do things like strip chapter meditate out
1:36:02who knows but for the most part the downside seems limited to have to go
1:36:07somewhere else for stats and have these people who are showing in a in a less
1:36:11than ideal way but I think long-term the downside is that strategy problem of
1:36:18like do we really want to be encouraging and supporting a system that is trying
1:36:24to privatize and make pride Terry the currently open system of open web
1:36:29podcasting and to me the answer there is is pretty clear out really rather not do
1:36:33that but if this becomes so big that you have to do that then I i'm i'm gonna be
1:36:41happy about that I don't think it will become that but we'll find out
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1:36:58they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John
1:37:08Casey
1:37:12it was a remarkable
1:37:55Apple TV show here even though we talked about enough of the things better user
1:38:02up now
1:38:03oh yeah the embargo lifted like right at the start of the show right yeah I just
1:38:08saw the one from Mashable
1:38:10I want to thank those first ones on Twitter then I saw someone else and me
1:38:13the ball mossberg one from recode specifically the section of their view
1:38:18mossberg is typical old man understanding sorry well I'm kind
1:38:23characterizations anyway he says their mocha now control the volume of your TV
1:38:28with no setup in most cases and with an obscure setting on some newer TVs it can
1:38:32even turn them on and often change to the right input you know that's the HDMI
1:38:36CEC then we talked about last night next in parentheses this letter benefit
1:38:40worked for me for a day or two then stopped working nicely we have lots of
1:38:46CEC unicorns that he can talk to the road into a Mossberg you know it almost
1:38:54worked for a day or two then stop then sure while the spending a lot of time
1:38:58figure out why its top position as always is to disable see everywhere