The Accidental Tech Podcast

140: Harpooned a Turtle


  I don't think that we already see all over again although WC was over quickly [TS]

  about screenwriting get tickets here is just clear these people don't know how [TS]

  to make websites load but I have we have many devices working on it actually did [TS]

  get tickets for tomorrow for the not the Thursday opening that but the Friday one [TS]

  but jackson-lee both 3d and that's not acceptable because the motion sickness [TS]

  no it's not a valid stream is terrible I agree but I wasn't sure I figured you [TS]

  had desperation would make it acceptable but apparently not I'm gonna watch it in [TS]

  me to get it so I can get but really I many times like I got to the stage where [TS]

  you're picking here seats to reserve many many times they get to that step is [TS]

  the theater near you like an Alamo Drafthouse in some fancy in highfalutin [TS]

  there's no known as a fancy they're all just whatever I mean the one at the [TS]

  fanciest one of them actually take its rights reserved seating and as the big [TS]

  reclining seats and everything like that but but 3d so I may be distracted during [TS]

  this episode as occasionally reload the top five thousand tabs that I have [TS]

  reconfigured to exactly the page where you can buy tickets [TS]

  all of which are just returning you know 503 gateway errors or just spending [TS]

  forever that's great well I mean I don't have a problem because I'm not at all [TS]

  distracted by the New York Football Giants are currently acting like the [TS]

  giant one cares about football kaci Star Wars games happen every year people get [TS]

  concussions yeah they're terrible brain injury that destroys their entire family [TS]

  also true happens but sixteen times every year but to put things in [TS]

  perspective with regard to my priorities and I were just having a very casual to [TS]

  be which we didn't even conclude as to whether or not we would go see this [TS]

  movie in the theaters you should stay away and let other people get the [TS]

  tickets I love I love John that you are you're able to resist every Apple [TS]

  product on day one every new release of anything like you're out you're able to [TS]

  say you know what imma let everybody else go try those things first and tell [TS]

  me what's wrong with it actually do it myself but with this year going right in [TS]

  that Star Wars I mean it and it's also a slightly smaller investment then a multi [TS]

  $1000 Mac I don't know man your dreams and hopes and wants and desires they're [TS]

  pretty big investment they are putting on this movie out the middleman [TS]

  investment that I'm protecting with this whole thing is the investment have put [TS]

  into avoiding Star Wars related spoil that is a serious investment that can be [TS]

  destroyed very easily when the rest of the world to see the movie and you [TS]

  haven't made it so I'm sorry wasn't completely successful but hopefully it's [TS]

  successful enough [TS]

  yeah I mean I'm sure I will see it in 2d eventually I just really don't like [TS]

  three nights he wanted some follow-up [TS]

  chip works has some thoughts on the 28 nine's I don't know if John you wanted [TS]

  to talk about this little bit yes I put this in there and I was all excited this [TS]

  is going to be a really detailed breakdown of what is different about the [TS]

  chips with a microscopic using there was a little bit of that but there's two [TS]

  problems with that one [TS]

  a lot of it the stuff in it is over my head because they're using Vlingo they [TS]

  assume everybody knows and I don't know or have a vague idea what it means but I [TS]

  don't understand the implications [TS]

  like you know one of the chips as it weakened mas you know I can have vague [TS]

  memories of what that is but I don't understand what the implications are [TS]

  anyway I suppose it up in the other one is that there's a lot of information but [TS]

  all the other components I don't care about who they use for the display [TS]

  controller what ship to the use for the power regulating the battery thing or do [TS]

  you like all sorts of stuff that I'm not interested in that will put a link in [TS]

  the showers because Jim parks is the only place I know that is taking these [TS]

  things apart and Mike slicing the ship's open and putting them under microscopes [TS]

  and stuff like that [TS]

  no real news there but for people who understand more about this than I do [TS]

  something from it and speaking to a nine Consumer Reports way down about them but [TS]

  some more [TS]

  yeah that's more reasonable consumer focus has consumer reports had a spotty [TS]

  history with technology and everything really like reports I was wonder about [TS]

  because the more I know about a topic [TS]

  the more I think consumer reports selections are just don't make any sense [TS]

  and so that makes me suspect like their dishwasher recommendations also don't [TS]

  make any sense I don't know anything but every time I know something about it [TS]

  like their car reviews like the car they pick they recommend me to get my guess [TS]

  is really different criteria that I do like the way they pick ours is those are [TS]

  not the things that are important to them or not the same things that are [TS]

  important to me that's true in a lot of things if you look at car driver for [TS]

  example in there is emphasizing like performance and handling and stuff like [TS]

  that and it's like maybe that's not what's important to you in any way you [TS]

  hate performance I don't have any way so they're reviewing their tested the [TS]

  battery is more or less what I was looking for like they're trying to do [TS]

  real world testing I think they're testing this pretty timid is similar to [TS]

  the bad things I did when I was doing Mavericks is very like I would call [TS]

  light usage maybe they're calling me music that is loaded a bunch of web [TS]

  pages over and over again but they didn't do a bunch of fairly standard [TS]

  things I think probably in a way but is less stressful than someone actually [TS]

  using the phone they also monitor the temperature of both of the phones during [TS]

  this what I thought was a good idea because they may be one of them you know [TS]

  me wrong it's hotter than the [TS]

  other and they didn't find any appreciable difference said one to two [TS]

  percent differences in their tests which they considered not appreciable [TS]

  difference in like within the margin of error so there you go there they the [TS]

  benchmark testing may have showed a twenty or thirty percent but the [TS]

  Consumer Reports attempt to simulate real-world usage which they detail you [TS]

  should follow the link open the notes they did what they did like oh we let [TS]

  our web page repeatedly for this amount of time over here and this thing for [TS]

  this amount of time you see what they didn't deceive you that is [TS]

  representative I use your phone then you'll know what the differences but [TS]

  anyway I Consumer Reports loves a good story about Apple phones being broken in [TS]

  some way so if they are not jumping on this and saying that one of the a nice [TS]

  is much much worse than the other it's pretty good bet that they're about the [TS]

  same night and somebody wrote in with regard to fusion drives chapter horse [TS]

  named as exciting know so this is the about the fusion drive size are [TS]

  complaining they dropped the flash portion of the fusion drive in a new [TS]

  iMacs down to 24 gigs RAM 128 gigs but apparently to get the two or three you [TS]

  go by Dr you do get the old 128 gigabytes of SSD 23 terabyte terabytes [TS]

  yes only the one terabyte drive option has a 24 gig one so that's some good [TS]

  news on that front disposed and Toby wrote in and had an interesting point [TS]

  they say when I hear the merits of the Magic Trackpad discussed it usually in [TS]

  comparison to using a mouse but I find it really comes into its own in [TS]

  combination with a mouse and we've heard this from a few other people I heard [TS]

  this from Mike Hurley year ago now I think at least but I forgot about it I'm [TS]

  glad to be said something I have never run both a magic trackpad anomalous I [TS]

  love my Magic Mouse even though its economically atrocious but I I love the [TS]

  functionality provides for me [TS]

  I was lamenting on Twitter yesterday the day before anyone here actually on this [TS]

  on this podcast tomorrow's lamenting that i think im asking days may be over [TS]

  shortly because I think force touch will eventually catch on to the point that [TS]

  I'm gonna be kind of grumbling about not having it on the Magic Mouse and I've [TS]

  been thinking a lot about maybe I should just get on this stupid magic trackpads [TS]

  and just embrace the future in the same way that may be my next car so I should [TS]

  get a stupid dual clutch gearbox and embrace the future but neither is [TS]

  happening right now the future is no gearbox got here to getting small you're [TS]

  turning into one of those smug test owners not even an owner yet this is [TS]

  gonna be a long year so when you first get that card I gave you this year at [TS]

  least have a few a few more months to to raise my defenses and get prepared for [TS]

  this awful mess anyway we talk about Mac Pro somewhere if you want if that's [TS]

  better please stop although I was thinking earlier today actually how [TS]

  ridiculous it is you too fond over the stupid trash can fully [TS]

  15 episodes of ATP and John never bought one in Marco you've kicked to the curb [TS]

  with in like six months I suspect that my next computer will probably be a Mac [TS]

  Pro again but you know because the difference now between like like there [TS]

  is a good discussion with this with serenity and join in on this side of the [TS]

  talk show about how the Mac Pro right now is kind of like the best of almost [TS]

  nothing except for multi-core performance and things that you that [TS]

  second GPU somehow which is basically only OpenCL stuff that can you can use [TS]

  it so there's like there's a small number of things that are better on it [TS]

  but the but there's a whole lot about it that the iMac beats it at including for [TS]

  you know for my purposes including the screen quality 41 the fact there is no [TS]

  good way to get five K or you know large red on the Mac Pro and so you know if [TS]

  there's a new Mac Pro in 1951 in like 45 months but I don't I probably won't get [TS]

  that one but I will probably get the next one [TS]

  wait so you're saying if there's a Mac Pro that is released in the next year or [TS]

  so [TS]

  that supports retin-a you're not going to inspire it I'm not planning on any [TS]

  you know with me I can never really guaranteed had as much as you guys did [TS]

  this is what I sounded like when I was like oh man I'm totally not getting an [TS]

  awful lot isn't it [TS]

  or B&W or an iPhone or if they don't have a Retina screen exactly give up [TS]

  their end the screen so that it doesn't matter of a Mac Pro features all we [TS]

  should be watching for is is an external 5 keds green screen with something can [TS]

  drive it exactly and so Am I [TS]

  I would like they're like before I really do an update I would like for [TS]

  their first of all to be a good performance increase on the CPU side I [TS]

  think whatever their way to next I forget what quarter of 2009 line and I [TS]

  might even if it comes soon I'll probably skip it because it's still very [TS]

  happy with my Mac but I would I would like more parallel CPU power eventually [TS]

  I really do max it out like crazy when doing stuff to my new photos on my new [TS]

  camera they're just massive but that's the only time I really destroy the CPUs [TS]

  so I can wait are you happy you asked [TS]

  I've been watching football games last minute sorry talking so anyway while [TS]

  talking to you and you're listening with you in every way only did it although we [TS]

  never finished the talk about the trackpad that's when all this started [TS]

  that was Genesis [TS]

  so trackpads yes I have nothing else to add about this with somebody had some [TS]

  other notes in the show notes about it wasn't me I'm assuming it was john is [TS]

  also paying attention because he's trying to buy Star Wars tickets again [TS]

  one of those days now I'm I thought you had to handle my question on this is do [TS]

  any of you work this way have you have you worked his way like mouse and track [TS]

  but at the same time you know I don't generally however because I the only [TS]

  track that I have is on my Kindle physically in the computer touch the [TS]

  computer but I did notice a couple times I think it was getting a definition of a [TS]

  word the other day I was at work and I'm on a client's site now so I only have my [TS]

  on-board monitor I'm not using my clam shell with two identical [TS]

  external site I was at our office anyway so I had my keyboard open and and you [TS]

  know obviously the track it's right there and I'll show you the definition [TS]

  of a word and I forced touched in order to get the definition rather than like [TS]

  right clicking and going to define what or what have you and it took me aback [TS]

  because I didn't even really think twice about I just checked and it with my left [TS]

  hand was acquitted a second that was we heard it was kinda nice but I don't know [TS]

  I i I can't fathom [TS]

  getting an external Magic Trackpad in addition to a magic mouse in no small [TS]

  part because they are damned expensive it is really stunningly spent $130 I [TS]

  believe what why is everyone saying that super expensive though and I've seen a [TS]

  lot of complaints about the money trap it being mentioned no I show but I've [TS]

  seen on people's $130 a trackpad that seems outrageous now obviously it's more [TS]

  than my like $19 plastic Logitech mouse from 1995 that I mean using forever but [TS]

  I wouldn't flinch spending $100 I really good amount so why is it that this is a [TS]

  big deal out of a hundred is it because you see it as a flat thing that doesn't [TS]

  move and it seems like how I paying $130 for a flat thing doesn't move it no no [TS]

  it's it's because of what you just said because I'm used to paying like $20 her [TS]

  mouse my magic mouse that I bought way back when I was probably what $60 I [TS]

  think it was something like $70 the original Magic Mouse and I thought that [TS]

  was silly expenses I don't know I think it just seems like a lot of damn money [TS]

  $130 for a madhouse for freakin Mel welfare trackpad but still so you know [TS]

  that the fact is high-end mice have always costs in the $100 range really [TS]

  like the one the Logitech MX master that that's a hundred bucks isn't it [TS]

  don't recall but I do remember vividly looking at it when my kids said that it [TS]

  does a lot of the stuff that I do with swipes on the Magic Mouse and thinking [TS]

  to myself and I really would love something it doesn't look like a piece [TS]

  of sushi and I looked at it and I was going to buy it and then I saw whatever [TS]

  the price was apparently between 70 and $100 million where you buy it in [TS]

  and I remember looking at in thinking that's way too much money for her mouth [TS]

  no way why is it so much [TS]

  the Razer gaming mice are probably simply press like this gives bridge [TS]

  could point to pull this thing it's been in the post show section for god knows [TS]

  how long the Xbox elite controller which is linked to right now [TS]

  you guessed it up in the top for some reason in the polls show that thing this [TS]

  this makes a lot of sense to me this is an Xbox controller I believe it's $150 [TS]

  more or less looks like the regular Xbox controller but they put more money into [TS]

  its third year it's more customizable has higher quality materials and has [TS]

  better tolerances I'm sure it feels better to use is also got some extra [TS]

  weird traders on the bottoms you can use different button pressing arrangements [TS]

  it's like a premium controller for the controller like a mouse and keyboard is [TS]

  something that when you're using the thing your hands are on almost all the [TS]

  time [TS]

  controller pretty much all the time and they try to make them as sturdy as they [TS]

  can make them and keeping the cheapest possible to bundle them in with the game [TS]

  consoles and then you like maybe 40 bucks to 60 bucks to buy another one [TS]

  which is kind of expensive doesn't do have Bluetooth they do have a lot of [TS]

  buttons sometimes they have lights and microphones and all sorts of other stuff [TS]

  and I'm willing to buy a fancier version of basically every controller that I [TS]

  have by all means double the price of the controller and put 25 percent more [TS]

  value of parts into its army so your margins go out for the expense of [TS]

  control it but I'm getting 25 percent better like to take that money and put [TS]

  it towards the same buttons everything else this one has the extra things in [TS]

  the bottom but put it towards making the buns sturdier or feel better [TS]

  improving the materials are making an hour out as much are not using hard to [TS]

  your bushings our services you know things that run together you know I want [TS]

  everything to do it make it more expensive and I think that is incredibly [TS]

  smart purchase the same reason you should buy really good expensive chair [TS]

  that's when you can find keyboard mouse all the stuff if you gonna sit in it all [TS]

  day and touch it all day with your hands that's where you should spend your money [TS]

  so now the Magic Trackpad isn't quite the same thing because I really like it [TS]

  doesn't do anything it just sits there [TS]

  right so maybe 830 is too much for that because people feel like it is not that [TS]

  much better than the old magic trackpad in that game that's a that's a little [TS]

  bear has slightly nicer materials it supports forced touch whatever but the [TS]

  bottom line all people see is like a flat slab that lays on the ground that [TS]

  you put your finger on but it doesn't seem that crazy to me know maybe maybe [TS]

  it's over pricing that there's no lower-priced model and the case of the [TS]

  Xbox controller keyboards RNC chair as you can get expensive ones are still [TS]

  pretty good [TS]

  whereas the Apple external desktop trackpad is not $130 for people who want [TS]

  to track pad that really do $130 a month because they're on a budget that's all I [TS]

  can see the criticism but the specific products saying this isn't worth $130 [TS]

  because Apple's margins must be crazy [TS]

  doesn't really bother me that much it's not that it's not worth $130 it's just I [TS]

  feel like whatever my barrier for a mouse or mouse like device is this is on [TS]

  the other side of that barrier and and what you just said makes perfect sense [TS]

  to me I'm touching this constantly this is how I'm this is how I'm making my [TS]

  living is by using a mouse and a keyboard and sitting on a chair and so [TS]

  on all of that makes perfect sense you're absolutely right but I don't know [TS]

  I look at these prices and as soon as I get much past like sixty seventy dollars [TS]

  I just feel like it's just too damn much the rent is too damn high but how like [TS]

  how often do you buy new input devices like I i mean you know people can people [TS]

  can justify spending $100 for an extra you know few gigs of memory on their [TS]

  iPhone with it would barely even thinking about it often but then you [TS]

  know an input device that you probably by like once every five years at most [TS]

  out how often do people buy these things you know new by themselves [TS]

  you know it's I think it's pretty rare and so you know this is a high-end [TS]

  premium device this is not a mass market device most people are not buying [TS]

  desktop to begin with those who are buying desktops are generally going to [TS]

  be using whatever comes with it and by default it comes to mouse and those who [TS]

  are gonna be willing to pay extra for you know this premium trap at think [TS]

  that's that's kind of an upscale premium [TS]

  thing in a market I don't think it's a high-volume product I don't think I'll [TS]

  probably make yourself a whole ton of them I'm honestly surprised they updated [TS]

  it at all [TS]

  mentioned last oh I'm surprised that the desktop input devices got any attention [TS]

  from Apple given how relatively unimportant they are in Apple's overall [TS]

  market but I don't think it's that that ridiculous I mean it's a premium [TS]

  mechanical keyboard is going to cost you between one and two hundred dollars [TS]

  usually I don't think it's that crazy to have this track pad from Apple which is [TS]

  a premium brand now it's a fashion brand I don't think it's that ridiculous to [TS]

  have this coming from them doing things that no the trackpad can do at least on [TS]

  a Mac Pro possibly anywhere [TS]

  offering at $430 is somebody gonna buy once every five years that doesn't seem [TS]

  to me at all as you can make a special I don't know when I bought this magic [TS]

  mouse but I can assure you it was shortly after it was initially released [TS]

  and same day 1 I've been using for a bike easily five years so as though [TS]

  there's that but secondly a year you're both trying to use logic to fight with [TS]

  my emotions and and and you're right I mean you're absolutely right everything [TS]

  he said absolutely right but all I can tell you is I look at the price tags [TS]

  like holy God that's just it's too much money dammit and and it's just because [TS]

  I'm it's it's what what I feel you know it's the same reason that I will get a [TS]

  piece of software on the App Store and if its north of five bucks I think woah [TS]

  woah woah is this something I really want and I should note that wastes no I [TS]

  know because I'm proud of this I'm not saying that because I think it's the [TS]

  right approach I'm just saying that's how I feel and then I remind myself oh [TS]

  my god this is like $6 or $7 and its gonna give me plenty of enjoyment for a [TS]

  long time like the wintry pot whatever came out and it was what five bucks for [TS]

  to about 24 and yes yes 0 for first second I was like I mean nothing I [TS]

  wouldn't do it like Jesus no its not you idiot use that app constantly every [TS]

  single day what are you doing even thinking a $5 too much money but but [TS]

  that's the logic talking to the emotional side of my brain which [TS]

  initially was like wow [TS]

  nap really in and I'm wrong I'm not arguing that I'm right I'm not saying [TS]

  I'm right [TS]

  I'm wrong but it's just it's it's that gut reaction when I see $130 or anything [TS]

  north of 80 bucks for a pointing device like wow that's a lot of money so on the [TS]

  other side as the other reasons in here is the setting aside the price of the [TS]

  trackpad is that the concept of people who either have become accustomed to or [TS]

  were brought up in the age of track pads and mice and keyboards adopting computer [TS]

  use a desktop computer usage pattern that involves the mall so in the same [TS]

  way that my eyes grew up with the mouse my way of using appearance was led into [TS]

  the people who are you know teenagers or adults when I was first getting my Mac [TS]

  their their way of using Peters was the keyboard you sit in front of the [TS]

  keyboard and that's how using computer keyboard key word there is nothing else [TS]

  I was always from you know from day one you know the Mac mouse and keyboard [TS]

  sometimes just a mouse and keyboard but very often both at once [TS]

  command clicking to clean up I comes a desktop shift option clicking you know [TS]

  the whole nine yards clicking typing typing switching back and forth between [TS]

  them doing them both simultaneously using shortcut keys and graphics [TS]

  programs while you're drawing with the mouse and switching tools with the [TS]

  keyboard all those things are second nature to me because that's how I was [TS]

  brought up now that we have trackpad especially on the desktop I can imagine [TS]

  there being people who get into a groove of one hand on the mouse one hand on the [TS]

  keyboard or trackpad where you're messing around and there were no this is [TS]

  Toby run into the two things that he has the trackpad for a while so using the [TS]

  mouse is swiping between between spaces and swiping between lunch bad pitches [TS]

  well I bought a run just click on the little things taken thanks just it's [TS]

  faster more natural do the other way and what is your other hand doing anyway [TS]

  it's not like being ambidextrous just like accepting that there are a bunch of [TS]

  places that you can give in to your computer and not saying well I can only [TS]

  be using one of those it wants or I can only be two of those at once because one [TS]

  of them didn't exist when I was growing up [TS]

  you know and i feel like i dont wanna take the magic track because I have 12 [TS]

  if they thought I got a choice interviews I can do all the gestures to [TS]

  try to find a place for to see if I can integrate into my life maybe you know [TS]

  you can't teach an old dog new tricks may be too late for me but I like the [TS]

  idea of younger or more flexible people using all farms and but simultaneously [TS]

  without being constrained by like well because you didn't used to have a [TS]

  trackpad therefore there's no place for a trackpad and my computer so I'm not [TS]

  gonna run out and buy on the track pants but I've kind of fascinated by that idea [TS]

  and I may try to bring anything down from the shelf and trying to find a [TS]

  place right on my keyboard right here I love that both are you always get up my [TS]

  butt about how i buy everything that Apple makes I'm always buying everything [TS]

  meanwhile I'm the only one here not even tempted a little bit by the trip had [TS]

  because I just know I wouldn't use it but we'll see what actually happens [TS]

  there's the talking about buying is you to buy back and you bought a Mac Pro and [TS]

  who bought you know a new iPhone and so you're ahead of the actual buying I [TS]

  never bought the last track pad that's been around for years [TS]

  well the only reason I bought used on ebay the only reason I bought it was [TS]

  ahead to various interviews did the track time I ancient non unibody Mac [TS]

  does not do the gestures when they introduced the gestures and everything I [TS]

  couldn't actually do them I didn't have any I didn't have your hardware from [TS]

  Apple and I didn't have anything else to add the eBay a magic trackpad ledu ledu [TS]

  I can't get over that exact same thing it wasn't very good condition it did not [TS]

  smell like smoke but did you like and I cleaned it after I got it I don't even [TS]

  want to think about the cleaning procedure you put them or trackpad man's [TS]

  assumption it's exactly it's it's a miracle that that thing worked after you [TS]

  surely dismantled in order to clean the inside that you would never of evidence [TS]

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  then iPhone and iPhone now it says hey let's compare the original iMac that [TS]

  iconic computer from yesteryear with the new one just to see how far we've come [TS]

  and they go I go sixty thousand times faster graphics at fourteen million more [TS]

  pixels 1,000 times more RAM 750 times more storage 306 six times more [TS]

  processing power but I'm pretty sure the hard drive in the original iMac was also [TS]

  I would like the last number that's girls by mobile web page to be one x [TS]

  more speed and a couple of people and he was like other World Computing articles [TS]

  and saying oh it's not even though the RPMs the same to storage density is some [TS]

  massively increase the bandwidth is higher i agree with that like a show if [TS]

  you come from a spinning disk and you get another thing this computer this [TS]

  thing this will be faster than yeltsin just as hard or technology gets better [TS]

  right [TS]

  you know the setting aside the storage density was just gonna give you hire you [TS]

  know throughput for how many megabytes a second you pull the disc I'm sure the [TS]

  seat times they're potentially better than well you know lots of things about [TS]

  a modern art ever better than the big concur that was in the original iMac but [TS]

  this is the reason about this in there is cause like this is the men arguing [TS]

  about the 16 gigabytes of memory in the iPhone and how much RAM output used to [TS]

  put the computers it's not so much the absolute number this kind of galls the [TS]

  technology enthusiast so much it's like whatever numbers you come up with [TS]

  whatever numbers you pick whatever you feel the line of products with a set of [TS]

  parameters and the only thing i'm looking for is over time [TS]

  make that number go up and that's kind of what this whole website is that look [TS]

  how these numbers have gone up in on long-term you and does God look how much [TS]

  better we done since 1998 good job as you'd 1998 2010 you made great advances [TS]

  right but one to three years in a row with the same bottom storage here on [TS]

  your phones is too much because it feels like where's the progress why are you [TS]

  holding steady at the three year ago levels has really nothing changes three [TS]

  years it is everything else exactly the same or are we making bigger pictures [TS]

  are you making bigger [TS]

  those are the application sizes increase in like all these things that change [TS]

  do we have can we not get more storage for the same price you want to see [TS]

  progress and it really is the most greeting thing for me about Apple cuz [TS]

  I'm so going like oh progress progress is that whatever numbers you pick please [TS]

  just let me see progress and it doesn't have to be every single month every [TS]

  single six months and even maybe I'll give you passin every single year at the [TS]

  previous year you were above the you know you are you seem to be generous but [TS]

  as time passes and a state doesn't change that span that's 100 rpm hunters [TS]

  like seriously I'm I remember purposely trying to avoid 5400 RPM hard drives on [TS]

  laptops I but well before the unibody error was like oh you wanna get past [TS]

  hard I get the 7200 rpm and feel like going back in time they are you know we [TS]

  should be making progress and you are everywhere else SSD wow amazing progress [TS]

  great spread the entire line except for these thinkers in the bottom which by [TS]

  the way I think no one sent the Syrian but it occurred to me after the show [TS]

  last week that the only reason for the bottom of the line red iMac is to get [TS]

  people in the door you know the cars the advertised in the paper just get them [TS]

  into the dealership but you never actually saw anyone that Carthago and [TS]

  retina starts 1500 but not really cuz you should never buy the only got about [TS]

  you always have to get the option for whatever you the option actually gives [TS]

  you a transmission or whatever option they have the you know then you have to [TS]

  take it to you know get the Convenience Package her $800 so that could be a [TS]

  potential reason they're trying to hit a price point to get people into the red [TS]

  in the line like once they start considering well does not look at this [TS]

  hearing is a nice and you can get into this one from 1500 bucks but no one [TS]

  should go out the door to $1500 model so let me start selling you sum up yet [TS]

  another possibility at all thats anyway I just have to then in our site was like [TS]

  Apple highlighting the worst feature of its new line of retin IMAX [TS]

  unintentionally [TS]

  nice I actually in my deep thoughts that I had earlier today apparently I had a [TS]

  lot of time to think that early today I was thinking again about you know [TS]

  whatever it is I upgrade my personal machine what should I get in we talk [TS]

  about this over a couple episodes of Europe's it's back here thinking again [TS]

  you know maybe the right answer is an iMac and maybe right answers I just got [TS]

  25 K iMac and the thing that made me stop at least you're honest now now now [TS]

  we're getting to Real Talk yeah that's that's exactly right that's the most [TS]

  real real talk anyway it occurred to me that the problem I have with with iMac [TS]

  is that I oftentimes work from home as we talked about end when I do work from [TS]

  home I want to be able to plug in an external monitor I I am one of those [TS]

  people who more much better with two monitors or at least will give you more [TS]

  than just the 15 inch monitor I have built into the computer and I don't [TS]

  really care that there isn't a target display mode or whatever it's called but [TS]

  in this case it would it would have made the conversation with myself a little [TS]

  bit different if I knew I could plug my Mac into that stream if I couldn't get [TS]

  read the resolutions even if it was just scaled or something that would make it a [TS]

  much more compelling option because otherwise I'm never really going to be [TS]

  able to plug into an external monitor or I'm gonna have to have a second monitor [TS]

  sitting next to this 27 inch behemoth on my desk which I really don't want in so [TS]

  I don't know what to do and I know that we talked about this before and I didn't [TS]

  know what to do then and I still don't know what to do now but the fact that I [TS]

  was really thinking about well how can I make an iMac work was weird for me in [TS]

  the same way that the same I was thinking about we meet you should try to [TS]

  make a trackpad worked for me that was another weird thought for me because I [TS]

  have never been interesting desktop Macs or computers of any sort since college [TS]

  I've never been interested in trackpads I use them because I have to not because [TS]

  I want to track point for life so it's I've been having a bit of an identity [TS]

  crisis with regard to my computer preferences over the last 24 hours have [TS]

  you considered the iPad perot no not really want to know you're here consider [TS]

  you seem to be open to all options now looks like crazy I'm standing interview [TS]

  teaches you know it's really big screen now and now let's not talk talk although [TS]

  I did briefly consider an iPad here too as opposed to my beloved many whenever [TS]

  whenever I prayed that and that was also an odd thought I know just weird weird [TS]

  times in my noggin these days gentlemen we are times you can do so much worse [TS]

  than me [TS]

  different do it's not worse it's different you just buy everything and [TS]

  get rid of it instantly including business it's inconsistent but but but [TS]

  yes at least you're consistent I both of us actually I although perhaps me more [TS]

  vocally Hammond haha for three years and then eventually get something that we [TS]

  should have bought three years later and like I said I'm probably gonna go when [TS]

  they die max will be my wife's computer not mine I'm just waiting to see you [TS]

  like the best way to decide which GPU I should get it worth it to get the big [TS]

  one is the big one much hotter than the other one is it a ways to get the big [TS]

  one because it gets dark times you might as well get the cheapest smallest [TS]

  coolest one because the game room can be crap either way like i just want to see [TS]

  benchmarks in numbers in my stuff and wait for everyone else to get the 11th [TS]

  off the assembly line and then whatever it's worth I mean I haven't used the new [TS]

  one yet but I imagine I know it's the same thermal design and you'll want me [TS]

  maybe the actual thermal loading be different but in general gaming on a [TS]

  five k iMac works fine but is loud what's it like it you you the fan is [TS]

  loud when gaming yeah I don't think anything can be louder than my 13 inch [TS]

  MacBook Air to my kids play minecraft I mean I don't know how much noise the [TS]

  little tighter tonight jerry can make [TS]

  but like it is it max speed and max volume and it's not that loud because [TS]

  the area such a tiny machine but it sounds like it's being hurt the whole [TS]

  time but amazing this machine isn't diet like it it made us sit in front of [TS]

  Minecraft hours and just something about anal hairdryer behind there going oh no [TS]

  it is not that bad at all but it is you know it's it's it's the same thing with [TS]

  their league asymmetrical bleed on the 15 retina it's like it it sounds more [TS]

  pleasant of a tone but it's it's still just as loud basically [TS]

  anyway like I feel bad for them because you know that the 27 inch not read [TS]

  numbers fell 27 inch monitor attached that little 13 inch air and they play [TS]

  minecraft will screen at native res and think like 12 frames a second I just [TS]

  don't know what they're missing I think but I like it and I like you know I [TS]

  don't tolerate I guess it's what they used to like I guess this is my [TS]

  minecraft is like on a computer like it's faster on their little like the [TS]

  iPad 2 runs in Minecraft Pocket Edition at a higher frame rate much higher frame [TS]

  rate than this MacBook Air runs on the 27 inch screen but still what else we [TS]

  have going on we have something called Marcos pet topic you skipped a bunch of [TS]

  things on top them with peripherals like follow postunfollow ok carry on and it's [TS]

  a topic if things we didn't didn't mention last time we did mention last [TS]

  time that the keyboard and trackpad work if they're plugged in [TS]

  even if you have Bluetooth off so in theory you can buy a keyboard and [TS]

  trackpad and connect them to a computer that does not have looted because even [TS]

  though their Bluetooth peripherals and they charge their lightning port to [TS]

  connect the USB at the other end theoretically you could buy a computer [TS]

  with a broken bluetooth-enabled is it all and still club meetings and use them [TS]

  and since the trackpad and keyboard don't move you don't have to worry about [TS]

  framing the ends of the lightning cable by we're going back and forth and other [TS]

  topic it's not an arab theories about why the charging port is on the bottom [TS]

  of the mouse which talked about last time and [TS]

  you know I was going to say athletics explains it a hundred percent that other [TS]

  people have two areas like well if you that if you put the plug like where you [TS]

  expect the cable to connect aside from it being ugly it would encourage people [TS]

  to keep it plugged in all the time and use it like that and then that would [TS]

  inevitably Fred lightning cables are not meant to be hanging around like that the [TS]

  connector would start we're going or whatever so they're putting on the [TS]

  bottom you sure that is impossible to use it when it is plugged in and [TS]

  therefore no one will use it when it's plugged in that makes some sense I still [TS]

  think aesthetics is the you know it is the obvious solution is the easiest [TS]

  solution that explains that entirely yeah I guarantee you that was the reason [TS]

  it was not because of the cables bring questions no not at all the reason was [TS]

  it looks better on the idea that people would accidentally use it like they [TS]

  understand they buy a wireless mouse once they realize they can work with [TS]

  that someone will probably use it like that I don't doubt that these people [TS]

  will do all sorts of things but in general I don't think it's like six [TS]

  people would be confused or anything like that the only other like the last [TS]

  week during a press day reasons makes so much sense except for the fact that when [TS]

  you charge it is almost impossible to make it a statically pleasing while [TS]

  charging and discharging is very infrequent occurrence but it's always [TS]

  going to look like you've harpoon to turtle in the throes of death or already [TS]

  dead when you charge it just doesn't look good [TS]

  it's not a good luck there is no way like you know Johnny a delegate desk [TS]

  with everything cleared off of it and is minimalist set up with his beautiful [TS]

  Apple profiles of the key piece of sushi and then it got a charge his mouth and [TS]

  it's just there's just no way to make that look good look at maybe maybe it's [TS]

  like you know hanging lantern on it in the movies grip our lives like we have [TS]

  this thing it's a problem let us point at the st. yes the seriously as a [TS]

  problem there is no way to make it look good when charging guess what your mouse [TS]

  is dead it was hard hit by lightning cable this is i mean this is kind of [TS]

  lead this leads in very well my pet topic you wanna go into that [TS]

  yes but before we do you tell us about something that's awesome [TS]

  Johnstone's it tells about Apple's mouse click sounds concern is not part of your [TS]

  thing though this was a link to get there was Stephen leave you're right he [TS]

  got access to Apple's input peripherals lab Italy where they work up the mouse [TS]

  and keyboard they're talking with the engineers and they're all serious about [TS]

  everything we really sort the details until don't think story about how to [TS]

  click sound of the new mouse wasn't quite right in the head to figure out [TS]

  why didn't sound right and and just a little feet the touch the bottom they [TS]

  were you know they angle defeat differently to make the residents of the [TS]

  click sound better until I got the Cliq just right in talks about sweating the [TS]

  details and a lot of people point out like that's all well and good I love the [TS]

  use for the details on how nice the mouse click sounds but you may be [TS]

  missing the forest trees in the lot of people say that the shape is not [TS]

  particularly economic for a class of people who want to rest their tired and [TS]

  in the mouth but I still say that the categorical like how you get the mouse [TS]

  thing and be really concentrating on that everyone's ok with it with the [TS]

  speared turtle charging various other details except this detail because they [TS]

  say you know what I don't care what it looks like when it's charging have a [TS]

  look as ugly and stupid and awkward if you want that is the Dell we are not [TS]

  sweating it just fine just forget it [TS]

  writes that so jealous wedding you click the mouse all the time you want to be [TS]

  satisfying the feel-good you charge to mount a very infrequently its ok for [TS]

  that to just be a total disaster or second lunch this week is automatic [TS]

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  this is a cool thing you plug it into your obd2 port you pair it with an [TS]

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  so first of all simple stuff if your check engine light comes on this is in [TS]

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  any kind of engine error code to your car through as you can see what it means [TS]

  on a mannequin some of them you can even just clear it like if the code is [TS]

  something that's temporary like your gas doors open you can just close it and [TS]

  then go to automatic have a reset the code [TS]

  problem solved you don't get a mechanic or anything like that also it has access [TS]

  to all the data that your car has about all the systems are working how quickly [TS]

  your driving where you are going into it with your phone has GPS so the [TS]

  combination of those things can do things like if you have an accident it [TS]

  can automatically call for help if you also do similar things like it can give [TS]

  you a log of your fuel efficiency and how you been driving where you been [TS]

  driving give your parking location so you never lose your Carnaby parking lot [TS]

  so much stuff like that and they also now have fairly recently they added apps [TS]

  and so they have a whole SDK now so if your developer there's a whole API it's [TS]

  it's a nice simple REST API Davis whole rich API that you can build apps against [TS]

  they have all sorts of apps already things like concur for expense reports [TS]

  FreshBooks for invoices couple watches have immigration for parking locations [TS]

  that they also have integration with ifttt if this than that which gives you [TS]

  the power to build all kinds of useful recipes based on your driving or various [TS]

  events that happened with you in your car love you can trigger things to [TS]

  happen when you're getting close to home such as turning on your nest thermostat [TS]

  all sorts of stuff you can do with the automatic API get automatic today [TS]

  normally it's a hundred bucks and disagree because it's a flat price there [TS]

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  let's talk about this topic years so this is so it was kind of inspired by [TS]

  this iMac stuff you know what I'm saying like the you know being concerned about [TS]

  the detail of how it looks when it's not plugged in and then the ridiculousness [TS]

  of how the mouse looks when it is plugged in [TS]

  and how you can't use it while charging and everything and then so we have been [TS]

  an email from Florian koon lands and he said for me the new magic peripherals [TS]

  discussion let me the impression that Apple's laser focus might be a bit too [TS]

  focused they care about the sound of the mouse but not the weird charging port [TS]

  position or at least not enough to change it meanwhile make a lot of sense [TS]

  being able to use the National wired only like the other two new peripherals [TS]

  similar with the iMac in the 5400 rpm hard drive why give it the Super Screen [TS]

  but not a good drive safe with the iPhone and 16 gig and so on and so you [TS]

  know for me that's an email I think this is this is a bigger discussion that that [TS]

  i've i've kind of alluded to for a while but I think it's worth diving into here [TS]

  these are relevant to know Apple we all like to think that that Apple always [TS]

  does things that are best for usability and and the fact is that is not true now [TS]

  and it really has never been true usability has always kind of been [TS]

  balanced between appearance and profitability for lack of a better word [TS]

  and it's it's kinda tight balance that Apple has had to walk if usefulness and [TS]

  usability and Mike good engineering wise things being awesome if if those were [TS]

  the top priorities regardless of how it would look or how how profitable it [TS]

  would be Apple stuff would be like it would be more like the PC market we know [TS]

  we have that in the market we see what that is like and that's not it's a very [TS]

  low profit business it's very badly differentiated or minimally [TS]

  differentiated it's not that great and so and also like you know people like us [TS]

  who can I care about how things look a little bit you know who would like to [TS]

  think that we are objective because we're geeks to think like it doesn't [TS]

  matter how it looks August get the one functions best but who thinks that the [TS]

  things that do okay so good so you know in in many cases people really do care [TS]

  what it looks like so it looks room for any way I can look at almost any Apple [TS]

  product and I can point out ways in which appearance or you know the overall [TS]

  visual appeal just appearance [TS]

  has trumped usefulness or real-world use like like you know John pointing out [TS]

  that the mouse like when you when you charge it like that it looks ridiculous [TS]

  when you have to charge it like on its back on its side whatever it is it looks [TS]

  ridiculous right in reality Apple worked so hard to make the iPhone look super [TS]

  thin and be super small and look great but almost every iPhone it's in the wild [TS]

  is in some kind of crappy case because the iPhone is either it's a case for [TS]

  durability much which is most of the time or for better grip [TS]

  because the phones themselves are durable enough and don't offer good [TS]

  enough grip or it's a case that's a battery case because the phones on offer [TS]

  good enough battery life for people so it's like there's always you know [TS]

  there's always these these tradeoffs that Apple makes for good looks similar [TS]

  thing with the iPhone 6 design why is the sleep wake button directly across [TS]

  from the volume up button which makes it very hard to hit just one of them [TS]

  accidentally the reason most likely is because it looks better it is visually [TS]

  symmetrical on that level and so it looks better than offset in the buttons [TS]

  at all or by having them they have in the sleep button be like in the middle [TS]

  or still on top or whatever you know there there it looked better that way [TS]

  that might not be the only reason it's there but it's probably the biggest [TS]

  reason it's there I don't think looks as the reason for this way I think I think [TS]

  looks as the reason that the tops are aligned exactly but I don't think [TS]

  there's any place you could put that is better than opposite the volume buttons [TS]

  unfortunately to stop us too high and when you slide it under the power button [TS]

  down they become much more awkward to reach so even if it was like centered [TS]

  between the two rather than a line with the top 10 think that would help ya I do [TS]

  actually I think it and it still wouldn't be ideal but I think it would [TS]

  be easier to hit just one of them if they weren't exactly aligned [TS]

  maybe maybe that would still be aesthetically line is the centerpiece [TS]

  yeah but I'm sure somebody said I'm sure somebody with a no-look better anyway so [TS]

  are their arguments are stronger we're going to get weaker as you went on as in [TS]

  weekend is defined by whether I agree with your not sure let's let's go and [TS]

  there's even with the new stuff like the iPad pro III called out and many people [TS]

  did one of the problems of the iPad Pro two people are going to have in practice [TS]

  is that there's nowhere on it to put the pencil dick if you have a pencil there [TS]

  is nowhere on the iPad even if you buy the big keyboard case there's no slot [TS]

  for the pencil and part that is super thin there's nowhere today it's just not [TS]

  thick enough to have a slot the pencil by the way which has great pointed out [TS]

  on cortex the pencil which is perfectly round and can roll away because that [TS]

  looks better than just in the person who forgot it was it posted a picture of the [TS]

  you know the service the stylist to the surface for it's it's it's shaped like a [TS]

  pencil and the Apple pencil shaped like a pen exactly anyway so there's issues [TS]

  with that you know where you know at least make you know for the keyboard [TS]

  case at least make a whole as you know there's gonna be a million third-party [TS]

  iPad cases are going to have 10 holes in them because its people actually need if [TS]

  they're gonna they're gonna have the iPad pencil but you know it would be [TS]

  great if Apple made them and examples cases are generally pretty nice so any [TS]

  way attached with a channel that the banks like one of those a little metal [TS]

  chains just so no one walks away with it and you can have the metal things are [TS]

  clicking around attorney right that'd be great right obviously you know the new [TS]

  MacBook one that has a lot of these tradeoffs for thinness because it looks [TS]

  nicer and you know it as I rented made from before I think the keyboard and [TS]

  trackpad both suffer from that from this tradeoff used to make it look thinner [TS]

  but again the MacBook how many people go buy MacBooks because they are they they [TS]

  they insist they kind of inspire lust like when you when you touch when you [TS]

  see my god it's amazing so it does work [TS]

  the iMac is a curious case of this because like the iMac and Mac Pro you [TS]

  could call these thinks the iMac is really really thin [TS]

  and if they if they would be willing to make it thicker even just the the [TS]

  thickness it used to be you'd be able to do a lot of things that we very nice you [TS]

  could for instance the 21 inch model could use three and a half in charge [TS]

  reza can which would make them faster and cheaper and larger [TS]

  you could if it was thicker you can have a more robust cooling solutions that you [TS]

  can have the fans that don't spin as as fast under high load so like what the [TS]

  fuck the Mac Pro has that one giant fan which is awesome because you can stress [TS]

  out a Mac Pro like crazy and you will not hear it no matter what it's doing [TS]

  you will not hear it [TS]

  the iMac is much more designed like a laptop and because it's so super thin [TS]

  account has to be the iMac is 119 fan the middle or something that anyway it's [TS]

  like it has to spend really fast under under very heavy CPU and GPU loads and [TS]

  it's very loud as a result the if they'd be willing to make the enclosure thicker [TS]

  they could have larger slower fans in there that could have the same degree of [TS]

  cooling but they don't because it looks better when it's then from the side [TS]

  which is like I have a look at this five chemical my desk if it was three inches [TS]

  sticker I would never notice just could never see it I'm looking at it head-on [TS]

  against the ball it doesn't matter what time they reception desk at a fancy [TS]

  office people do see ya but even then but yeah that's why they do it and it [TS]

  looks nice in the press shots and they like saying house then it is even though [TS]

  it's only that down the edge but oh well oh and also with the iMac one of the [TS]

  biggest complaints what the heck is that the stands too low if you actually want [TS]

  to have an ergonomically correct setup with an iMac or Apple Cinema Display you [TS]

  have to like putting on a book or something you have to lift it up by [TS]

  about three inches what is yours on mine is on a call the elevation stand but [TS]

  they had a top of New Year weird expensive German Empire I used to [TS]

  because those are also the exact right hype and now I moved to the left and [TS]

  right to their holdings speaker speakers up anyway so I have the heavy elevations [TS]

  generalization lab which is pretty perfect [TS]

  miners and I myself until I mind my nightstand to my standards are high [TS]

  enough that like a clear he selects and kind of curtain you shape right could be [TS]

  higher still I kind of thing well I'm surely gonna replace 23 inch monitor as [TS]

  soon as they come up with the big 27 inch monitor whatever and I just never [TS]

  going to live for a long time but yeah you're right all the stands are too low [TS]

  which the solution that other monitor makers do like the NEC racist or [TS]

  whatever they may be justified stands like a special the fancier models and [TS]

  justified stands just all across and don't feel good to use you know me and [TS]

  Mike and I do that because making an adjustable heights that making a very [TS]

  good thing would be really expensive and making it makes them feel bad about [TS]

  their products so they don't so it's a single continuous piece of bent aluminum [TS]

  with a little hole for the cable to get out of it and even then like you know [TS]

  obviously in all of their photos of it there's no cables plugged in the new [TS]

  products but because they're ugly but I get like in the reality of somebody [TS]

  using these these Apple products is usually a clear in clunkier than the way [TS]

  they're presented and because it looks great and I don't really i cant we blame [TS]

  them for that but I do wish they that they are designed to consider more and I [TS]

  think it seems like over time the reason I bring all this up the reason why i [TS]

  wanna talk with us tonight is that does seem like over time the balance between [TS]

  what is like what is the best overall product versus what looks the best [TS]

  versus what's most profitable I feel like the the best overall product side [TS]

  of that triangle has been losing a little too much recently that in seeking [TS]

  out higher average selling prices more up sells more profit and also I think I [TS]

  don't know how the internal politics work but it does seem like the most [TS]

  powerful person in the company's Jony ive it from the outside but that's how [TS]

  it looks to me it seems like he can do whatever he wants and that anything he [TS]

  says just goes [TS]

  steve was so involved in product and design and getting Stephen Johnny had a [TS]

  really nice balance going that Tim and Johnny just can't have esteem is not the [TS]

  same kind of person he he he doesn't get it he's not really in that role as much [TS]

  and so I think now johnny has so much power and adds going less checked go up [TS]

  possibly the unchecked and so we're seeing now is like Percy like that the [TS]

  Johnny and Tim sides get really strong and let you know if you think about tim [TS]

  is it to profitability side right you know he that is Apple is now on the [TS]

  profitability johnny is making these beautiful looking objects but it seems [TS]

  like that that advocate for keeping the product in check with Steve and at that [TS]

  role is now just kind of you know it's falling to other people but none of them [TS]

  really our as maybe I admit power maybe it's just you know high-ranking whatever [TS]

  it is none of them are exerting much influence seems over the product line [TS]

  the way steve did and could versus johnnie and Tim who are like if you [TS]

  think about johnny is one of the beautiful things in Timisoara the [TS]

  profitability which those are probably over simplifications but those are [TS]

  clearly like kind of where their strengths of light in the past if you [TS]

  look at that it does seem like there this is kind of vacuum where Steve used [TS]

  to be in keeping the product stuff in better balanced with those two factors [TS]

  and I would put Stephen they can't this just as extreme in terms of wanting to [TS]

  remove everything and it seems to me every time you talk to every sits on [TS]

  interviews Steve Jobs it always seemed like what he really wanted to receive [TS]

  care at all like what he really wanted to see was the iPad right can we just [TS]

  get rid of all I don't want any ports I don't want any expansion slot and I just [TS]

  wanted to be like a beautiful single piece obelisk that has no features on it [TS]

  whatsoever but is a computing device like I mean he's the guy who made the [TS]

  PowerMac g4 cube like he wanted to get rid of it all [TS]

  highlighted get rid of it all and yet even in the cube did he make the queue [TS]

  with no FireWire ports with no connections for a keyboard with [TS]

  everything Wireless no because he couldn't he couldn't do that yet and so [TS]

  I definitely feel like if he was still around that it matters but anyway he [TS]

  said he would be on the side of get rid of everything and in in in that vein [TS]

  like the idea of getting rid of everything [TS]

  trying to stop between life it was like profitability does it look nice and is [TS]

  it a good overall product whatever yeah basically there is there is a little bit [TS]

  of overlap there because I want to look at that the products they're making [TS]

  these days [TS]

  side something that jobs would be totally going home moving everything [TS]

  important everything will be turned just making them have nothing and just [TS]

  removing all choice because they just need that crap and its annoying there is [TS]

  something to be said for whether intentionally or accidentally and I [TS]

  think it is mostly intentionally doing stuff like removing the number of [TS]

  possible moving parts are you moving and reducing the number of joints fewer [TS]

  parts fewer joints fewer moving things fewer parts fewer holes simpler smaller [TS]

  less stuff that does actually make a better product and aggressively pursuing [TS]

  that can get you you know it's not like a smooth gradient of like well it was [TS]

  more ports are good but few reports your things to break Apple seems to always be [TS]

  looking for the next kind of discontinuity or step jumper it's like [TS]

  was removed you know you could be argued that the you know the iPhone or the iPad [TS]

  like that if we remove everything about computers to give you a little hand-held [TS]

  computer smartphone or remove everything about it no finer no file system no [TS]

  install your own apps like they're looking for that harbor designed to now [TS]

  successful today make products that actually the people appreciate I was [TS]

  great it only has one port see how it's better than two because one is cheaper [TS]

  than two and it's less things to break it simply involve blood I think they [TS]

  blow it a lot but it seems to me what they're going for all the time is to try [TS]

  to to try to make it simpler and that instinct is mostly a good instincts just [TS]

  like when you're putting the axis of like is this a better product it's it's [TS]

  judging by the criteria of like kind of is it used for me in the same way that [TS]

  the previous night visions for me only faster [TS]

  and nicer looking or whatever and they're always trying to say but we want [TS]

  to go beyond that we want we want you do not need any port Huon need you know if [TS]

  they can make mice and keyboards that you didn't plugin ever they would like [TS]

  tiny little atomic power plants like they would seal them up and just say [TS]

  like you never played these in their wireless forever if they could put [TS]

  wireless power to the iMac looks like I didn't approach shots they would like [TS]

  they do they want to remove everything that makes us think computer they wish [TS]

  if you could give like gonna have a magic wand and say you can make it [TS]

  appear that anything you want [TS]

  assuming he didn't immediately go into images projected on the back here right [TS]

  now by Nana machines he would just make a beautiful floating screen that floats [TS]

  in mid-air and has no edges right and input devices that are invisible to do [TS]

  their own mind control or controlled by your hands not touching anything in [TS]

  there but there would be nothing like they all want to get rid of the computer [TS]

  and just make it it's you and the screen that's all there is maybe they'll make [TS]

  something like BR whatever and so I see in this thing that you're attributing to [TS]

  a static says and I want to look like a beautiful sculpture or a nickel and [TS]

  diming is in the GPU and I could support to external screens as people are saying [TS]

  but there will be more ports and airports means supporting those ports [TS]

  and making sure we have the buses go through this it's more expensive than a [TS]

  good drama holes in the case of whatever then just trying to say we just wanted [TS]

  you know Johnny ivan is white world boiled down to its essence what is it [TS]

  just you and the screen you shouldn't need more than one screen just you and [TS]

  this beautiful screen is just wrapping around your whole head and it's all you [TS]

  could see you put your hand on the sushi and yeah a little keyboard that has no [TS]

  edges and nothing is plugged in and there are no wires and that's the world [TS]

  you know I see them striving for that and I kind of blood then strengthened I [TS]

  don't attributed all to just Johnny Ives disconnect from like well I don't want [TS]

  people to actually use in the culture if he does want to be useful things he just [TS]

  has the same sort of allergy that every sentence Steve Jobs to the to the degree [TS]

  balls in an island parlance or Special Victims reprise of computers the little [TS]

  dude ads and doohickies and ports in Flanders and switches that means one [TS]

  more patient has gone from the stupid iPad like to get rid of its which if we [TS]

  can get rid of it does I want to do nothing and its full screen like that's [TS]

  why I think the home button is going away just like one of the few remaining [TS]

  moving parts in the think so but I totally get your [TS]

  point I just I'm myself internally conflicted about applauding their their [TS]

  aspirations while at the same time saying you missed the mark with this [TS]

  particular feature a product or whatever we may differ on what those are so I get [TS]

  where you're coming from but I sympathize well but most of what you [TS]

  just said I agree with you know it's it's just really an issue of light of [TS]

  the balance and we know whether they have the right balance now or not I [TS]

  totally agree that like generally that the track there on the direction they're [TS]

  going is generally good and and I generally think obviously the world [TS]

  thinks so too it's working for them you know who might have to say to say that [TS]

  this company is doing something wrong but but you know the reality is that in [TS]

  the real world there are things that are not ideal [TS]

  with the way that stuff works and I and i do think again I think they're on the [TS]

  right track [TS]

  overall but there are little late course corrections that are that are necessary [TS]

  that are not happening now that it does seem like it's kind of out of whack with [TS]

  the priorities and and that might get magnified overtime I don't know I mean [TS]

  when I read that johnnie I was was moving into the clouds to to be his new [TS]

  position I was happy everyone else was like Oh no johnnie I was like let him [TS]

  let him ascend to into into the heavens to wherever he wants to do because I [TS]

  would love to get new blood under him get new people up there get new ideas [TS]

  here the whole team like he's not coming up with all these designs in the most [TS]

  you can say is that he's giving yes no no yes 217 designs that are presented [TS]

  him so in that way he has an influence over the company but other people are [TS]

  designing these products may be gives them notes maybe says I'm thinking and [TS]

  thinking like an egg but with no rounded parts Co like any of them but he's not [TS]

  there with a pencil drawing every single product I don't know which products even [TS]

  has a handed but you like it in the same with Steve Jobs and run anything he was [TS]

  just saying sitting back and say I had something like leather-like of my head [TS]

  and then I was six when coming to go no yes yes no no yes [TS]

  example no no yes like diana is more involved and Steve Jobs just saying no [TS]

  and yes but like we're using him as a standard just the people who get the [TS]

  idea that [TS]

  using him and his wife see the standards of new blood I feel like with him [TS]

  sending that maybe that he had delegating more of the what makes the [TS]

  kind of what doesn't and maybe also delegating the the direction I got what [TS]

  I was think about it did you read this book its gonna hurt anyone it's pretty [TS]

  good talking about the early iMac designs and how they like when I would [TS]

  go out of ways with this phone thing is probably gonna be some kind of rectangle [TS]

  rounded may have a couple different designs and one of them was essentially [TS]

  the iPhone 4 decide you know you know the one we all know that looks like ice [TS]

  cream sandwich with the day you know that metal thing and into the glass [TS]

  thing on the front back that was like one of the very first designs they were [TS]

  thinking for the iPhone they just couldn't make it happen for the iPhone [TS]

  one is just like well that's great you know there was there was one of their [TS]

  ideas in the next and it was like manufacturability problems and how big [TS]

  it had to be and the timeline of the head and so they basically had to say [TS]

  even though I like the design the best what about this is unknown at this time [TS]

  with the iPhone came up with is like the fourth compromise down of like none of [TS]

  us really like this designed like if you think its original I i phone you can [TS]

  tell John Adams really upset about many aspects of it right but it's the best I [TS]

  could do with the time and materials and skills they had the time but eventually [TS]

  by the time the iPhone 4 came round didn't give up his like I remember that [TS]

  ice cream sandwich when it was pretty awesome we're gonna make that phone and [TS]

  they did eventually make it that's that's kind of the you know the [TS]

  compromises that are necessary in industrial design and I see a lot of the [TS]

  price they're making now like the ones that look like transitional fossils are [TS]

  it's like we're not quite at the point where you get all these things but they [TS]

  have a design that almost tries to get rid of them but leaves this little weird [TS]

  vestige and in that way you can kind of see the previous iteration now that the [TS]

  new keyboard is out [TS]

  look at the old tiny Bluetooth keyboard like crap on the edge and why is that [TS]

  big barrel thing over there and understand it like it's it seems [TS]

  unnecessary and that's what they're trying to do with their minds maybe they [TS]

  had this idea like the first time they drew we're gonna make a Bluetooth [TS]

  keyboard go though they did you listen yet we can't do that we need a place to [TS]

  the batteries [TS]

  and you know we need to be bigger welcomes all about this I don't know [TS]

  that strippers make this up like but the whole idea that the money it's the idea [TS]

  that anyone inside a police but particularly pleased with any product [TS]

  they produce because I think every project put out there is potentially a [TS]

  design that they really wanted to make the theater couldn't or didn't make that [TS]

  still sitting in the back of their own mind in knowing them that's what drives [TS]

  into it to make the next one so maybe sometimes maybe a lot of people inside [TS]

  Apple are just as disappointed in like the lobby back of the iMac as we are [TS]

  just like they you know that's zionist compromising have to say what can we [TS]

  ship and with that but the palace but the best we can take a look in the [TS]

  twentieth anniversary remember that the big radical thing you know how someone [TS]

  that Hackett's obsessed with yeah it's it's weird anyway that one was a Jony [TS]

  ive design on this beautiful to me that I can use one of these new fancy LCD [TS]

  screens in leather and wood and all this stuff like that but then they said it [TS]

  had to have like port server was attentive some expanded buildings like [TS]

  he had to put this big giant backpack on the things like he had to take pictures [TS]

  design that he liked and and like two inches like this big lump on the back of [TS]

  its you can see if you go for you see the 20th anniversary Mac both with and [TS]

  without the lump I forget it was expansion chassis expansion cards or [TS]

  something like that that was mandated to him from above the Johnny of today will [TS]

  not let that be mandated from above some 100 by the way after your design thing [TS]

  actually asked to have three more ports drill some holes he's gonna go know that [TS]

  i think is better because of a compromise on 20th anniversary Mac makes [TS]

  that machine worse than if you just said I'm making it the way I want to make it [TS]

  if it doesn't have whatever the future I was the backpack added oh well tough [TS]

  luck that's what's gotten you can just accept that and say this is the computer [TS]

  and it looks the way I want to look and get the features and I wanna be don't [TS]

  like it no more by Ike the PowerMac g5 g4 cube embargo back you'll reconsider [TS]

  will go back to our rooms and think about what we've done and try again and [TS]

  try to make a computer people will buy [TS]

  don't know how I feel about this because on the one side I agree with you guys [TS]

  and I think that there are there are a lot of compromises I would love to have [TS]

  a phone that I would never even have to think twice about lasting all day I [TS]

  would love to have a phone that when I go to a football game I don't wanna be [TS]

  using my phone a fair bit and I'm gonna be searching for signal for three and a [TS]

  half hours I don't need to bother putting in the battery case yes I am [TS]

  aware that the + club exists but I am a human with human sized hands so I want [TS]

  to human sized phone I would love to have a fun little thicker a little more [TS]

  battery but I'm looking at my phone now and it is a freaking beautiful device it [TS]

  really truly is and with this Apple leather case on it is perhaps less [TS]

  beautiful than it could possibly be but it's still freaking beautiful and i [TS]

  charge my phone every night and only have to worry about battery life when I [TS]

  know I'm going to be using it hard all day long [TS]

  otherwise never have to worry about it is that really so bad could it be better [TS]

  shore but is that really so bad I was thinking earlier today in my continued [TS]

  deep thoughts I really do love this new 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro that work on [TS]

  me it's beautiful it's dinner noticeably thinner I like that it's thinner I like [TS]

  that it doesn't have an on-board optical drive I kinda wish it had on board [TS]

  Ethernet port but I've I can fix that very easily I know what I'm saying I [TS]

  mean latency for have any place quickly reunited really want to wait for the ego [TS]

  no I actually decided I needed to get out why already have one but I would [TS]

  have needed to get a thunderbolt Ethernet adapter for work because the [TS]

  company where I am working does not give [TS]

  access to the restricted areas of their network except by hardline so with my [TS]

  Mac I need to get on an Ethernet connection in order to get to the [TS]

  servers that I need in order to develop the things I need to develop so would I [TS]

  have liked to have had an onboard Ethernet port to hell yeah but what I [TS]

  have chosen that over just bringing the dongle and having a device that's [TS]

  perfect or more or nearly perfect in every other measurable way I probably [TS]

  take the dongle so I don't know it it's a very tough thing in this is what makes [TS]

  engineering so beautiful is that you get to make these tough engineering [TS]

  decisions as to what's more important and I agree with you especially John [TS]

  that I think every engineering decision that Apple makes a nice I would expect [TS]

  that they have a serious amount of regret about every single one but [TS]

  they're doing the best they possibly can and I think that's the case with all of [TS]

  their devices and deliver them to do it better shore better for me absolutely [TS]

  but better for everyone I know is what I was looking for this but I'm always [TS]

  looking for an apple computer is the time when it all comes together when [TS]

  there were no major design compromises made like we wish we could have made its [TS]

  this thinner this size are at this battery life for this performance of the [TS]

  speech but we did enough room is too expensive or departs from ready in time [TS]

  or the materials used in workout or whatever it's just an all around good [TS]

  computer that's like ahead of its time the last for a long time that is sturdy [TS]

  thats nice looking that looks don't go out of date like you're in that same [TS]

  thing with cars for that matter [TS]

  911 aside when there's the windows the one model that's like that was the one [TS]

  to get that's where it all came together briefly even if it all came together [TS]

  like oh 265 version of that as the you know the height of [TS]

  the pre fuel injection error like just the beautiful specimen we're all comes [TS]

  together and those are those computers are rarely macro did those big like best [TS]

  Mac everything's on BSE 30 kept coming up because I think that is the correct [TS]

  answer be because a lot of people felt the same way about it and that obviously [TS]

  modern maxis a much better but for that time it was like it was the perfection [TS]

  of that form it was they had perfected that form factor the innards of it where [TS]

  the best as they could possibly be everything about it was better than all [TS]

  previous computers of that size they last a long time you could expand in [TS]

  ways that you didn't expect it was sturdy was beautiful like it was just [TS]

  that was that was a peak and I think you can pick out other models it like that [TS]

  the five cam could be like that maybe you could quibble over the Thunderbolt [TS]

  compromise and say well it's like in between the Thunderbolt three Aaron the [TS]

  USBC it was a little weird to me that qualify but I'm sure we can pick out [TS]

  ones like to to have at the 2008 Mac Pro a pretty damn good like in kind of in [TS]

  the middle of the run of the of the cheese graters you know post Intel you [TS]

  know after all the g5 stuff or whatever but before they start to get kind of [TS]

  long in the tooth and that's a great computer that was that was a high point [TS]

  looking at any other type of device meant to say like for the iPhone line [TS]

  one of the high points in the iPhone I I would definitely picked for industrial [TS]

  design anyway before but maybe I'm wrong about that because I'm not looking at [TS]

  like the broken home buttons and the crappy antenna that when you grab the [TS]

  edges of the stuff but like industrial design wise ignoring the other parts of [TS]

  the things that maybe that's not the 1 I'm you know I don't know what would you [TS]

  guys I'd say the high points for the 3G S and 25 S maybe I mean like everything [TS]

  out there on things but it depends on my criteria and that thing is for the [TS]

  designers do they care so much like oh the stupid engineer script the home [TS]

  button that's not my fault the part that I did my design like i like it so much I [TS]

  really liked you know what you said 33 yes I think inside Apple's industrial [TS]

  design thing is it just a big plastic bubble on back but anyway but for the [TS]

  time you know it was insanely fast in a great great innards huge upgrade the [TS]

  press one but also very practical it has great credibility on that case it was it [TS]

  was durable [TS]

  and long-term you could see it I don't think it really had any major hardware [TS]

  floodwaters in the forehead the antenna issue it had the the bad proximity [TS]

  sensor and in the 40 S had his dying home buttons and the five had the flaky [TS]

  finish in like there is all the end and the five also I believe head home button [TS]

  issue Armenia button issue where is the fight that I think actually really was [TS]

  was pretty rock-solid I don't think anybody really had consistent hardware [TS]

  problems with the 5s and I now it's in the design there was a high point that's [TS]

  that's like that's that's your priorities I would I would imagine that [TS]

  does not anyone in the design team would pick the 3ds as the design High Point no [TS]

  definitely not just just isolating myself in that part of it sorry like I [TS]

  don't care that much about the design it was nice and I look nice and it was [TS]

  crippled but the point is that it was felt like all the things you listen to [TS]

  the product attributes that you are giving a ranking of like which ones do [TS]

  you prioritize and that's why maybe design people would prioritize the [TS]

  materials and physical appearance and be like well I have no control over the [TS]

  stuff they put inside the phone so if they screw that part up is not my fault [TS]

  and I feel like the pinnacle was whatever their favorite designers and [TS]

  the flaking finish even gonna be like well flicking finish that's not really [TS]

  my probably should the provinces Apple's designer noticed a problem to look [TS]

  perfect when it was new [TS]

  just don't touch it you know it can't be played I can't do the accent but my kiss [TS]

  in that movie the mic at the movies in a row of those movies now seeing them in [TS]

  cases not like which one was filed how you know yeah definitely yeah anyway [TS]

  mark i'd give up [TS]

  yeah you know I haven't seen anything anyway the point is we should all be [TS]

  kings of her own companies with the resources of Apple executive products we [TS]

  want until we find out that we can get what we want either because the [TS]

  materials are available or the chips cost too much or Intel is not ready or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  carl s budget this week is fracture go to fracture fracture is vivid [TS]

  color prints of photos directly on glass these prints look awesome and I have so [TS]

  many of them around my office now I are friends are all getting them they are so [TS]

  nice so here it is [TS]

  you get your photos printed on a slab of glass and it's it's a nice thin slab of [TS]

  glass so it's very easy on the eyes like it a lot so but it also works really [TS]

  well hit it satisfies both the side because it is very very lightweight you [TS]

  don't have to be all stressed out the way I would be about hanging on the wall [TS]

  and having like put in some giant drawing double anchor and hope it [TS]

  doesn't like Fallout or tear a hole in your wall or whatever else it is [TS]

  incredibly practical and they look great now fracture Prince make great gifts [TS]

  also now going to this holiday season I highly recommend first of all in general [TS]

  I highly recommend fractures as gifts I have done that myself many times I'm [TS]

  doing more of this holiday season however fracture prints are all handmade [TS]

  and checked by real people in Gainesville Florida in the holiday [TS]

  season they often get really backed up with orders because there are just so [TS]

  many people who have figured out thank you everyone who figured out to use [TS]

  fracture for holiday gifts that sometimes they can't like if you wait [TS]

  until mid December say to order a holiday or you might get it in time is [TS]

  there gonna be so backed up by then so they want to ask you please if you're [TS]

  gonna be ordering for the holidays [TS]

  place your orders now it's already as its you know mid to late October already [TS]

  it's you know november is coming very soon and in December comes after that in [TS]

  case you've forgotten I frequently forget and this it surprises me but [TS]

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  directly on glass they make great gifts too great to hang around your house and [TS]

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  order once again fracture use code 8015 for 50% your first order big [TS]

  thanks to fracture for supporting us for so long [TS]

  thanks a lot recommended alright what is Facebook battery alright so actually I [TS]

  think she's been one of the leading investigators on this right now you're [TS]

  talking about the ridiculous battery usage yet it got so everyone's I mean [TS]

  many people have known for a while that the Facebook app is incredibly battery [TS]

  inefficient but nobody really had a great deal of wire how that was that way [TS]

  and a few things change in iOS nine one of the biggest things that changed is [TS]

  that the iOS 9 battery shaming menu screen settings it now will will tell [TS]

  you you know how many hours things were on screen and how many are there in the [TS]

  background and also tell you what they were doing in the background so say [TS]

  things like audio or network will tell you what it was do you know background [TS]

  refresh what it was doing in the background people have been noticing [TS]

  that the Facebook app is somehow being woken up really for a very long times [TS]

  for background music even when they are not using the absolute the have like you [TS]

  know like one guy had the app was open for two minutes was in the background [TS]

  for like seven hours or something like that and use of a time as bad as some [TS]

  crazy difference like that and more importantly what people are finding even [TS]

  if they disabled the background to a free fresh it was still finding ways to [TS]

  run in the background and in some cases use even more battery often by doing [TS]

  really really sleazy tricks like Saudi remember back forever go in like 10 2009 [TS]

  2010 somewhat that forever ago before you could do much in the background of [TS]

  iOS one of the things you could do was if you were one of the very first [TS]

  background includes an iOS four whenever they can [TS]

  one of the very first and you could do was you could play audio so if you're if [TS]

  you're on your podcast app or in a streaming music service that was one of [TS]

  the things that you could run indefinitely if you're playing audio [TS]

  and so one of the first things that somebody I forget who was some what [TS]

  happened to me was at a spot that did this silence silence of the time yes so [TS]

  yes they they they submitted an app that that through this clever hack you could [TS]

  run indefinitely if you were playing audio and so they figure out if you guys [TS]

  played silence will give you your voting the audio buffer B you're sending it all [TS]

  silence in the buffer your app can run indefinitely and so they were using this [TS]

  to do clipboard history management clipboard you know sharing between [TS]

  computers and everything and Apple very quickly figured out what they were doing [TS]

  and ban them from doing this Facebook is how did the same trick in 2015 and [TS]

  apples permitting it would happen is that what it's come down to I didn't [TS]

  realize we figured it out yet so people have done have done some investigation [TS]

  and Facebook is using background audio to play silence to stay running as long [TS]

  as possible and among other tricks and so I can explain at least one thing so [TS]

  first of all I've had so many people report bugs me an overcast that sound [TS]

  really weird that like not playing in the background after they've launched [TS]

  Facebook or something and now I'm suspecting the hated to Facebook stupid [TS]

  activity but also people have wondered if i if i block you with background [TS]

  refresh and I feel like if I disable back I'm refresh for your appt and I [TS]

  have no quote force quit your a bike in a moving picture how do you still run in [TS]

  the background and I can answer this question [TS]

  back when newsday was unveiled one of the cool new things new staff could do [TS]

  was call the content available push notification normally if you if you run [TS]

  a web service and you want to send something to all the iPhone people that [TS]

  are using your appt you could send notifications but previously to that [TS]

  notifications had to be visible on screen you you couldn't just send an app [TS]

  like an empty notification to have it just start running and download new [TS]

  stuff you couldn't do that before you could send it and alert and it would [TS]

  show like you know the box and the text and a user could then say you know ok [TS]

  enter the app and then it would launch at all that was user controlled and you [TS]

  couldn't be doing it behind users back and you had to have the user interacting [TS]

  with it to actually get lunch again [TS]

  background with new stand out of this new thing called content available [TS]

  pushes where for a while was only newsstand apps could do this they could [TS]

  be woken up remotely by their servers you could you as the owner can wake up [TS]

  all the adversity rap by sending this special push notification that was [TS]

  silent [TS]

  it did not show anything to the user and the way they initially teamster first it [TS]

  was just a newsstand and then I think it was I S seven that made content [TS]

  available push notifications available to all apps you could be waiting if [TS]

  you're up all the time and so initially apple with throttle these things and [TS]

  they would be like you know it would only allow allowed to wake up the Apple [TS]

  once a day or only when it was plugged in or something and over time those [TS]

  restrictions have gotten lucent and in eight you wake up you're a pretty [TS]

  frequently if you really wanted to with content available who's pretty reliable [TS]

  it could you could use a wake you up but if the user quit you out of the most [TS]

  testing switcher so if they you know if they force quit your appt you wouldn't [TS]

  get those anymore and then I S nine they change that and iOS 9 even if background [TS]

  refresh is often referred as a separate thing background refresh is is a system [TS]

  of periodically waking up the app to do something and the user can control that [TS]

  however there is no system control for whether to allow an app to receive [TS]

  content available [TS]

  silent push notifications and I think I haven't tested this with the Facebook [TS]

  app because i dont have installed because I'm not insane sorry faithful [TS]

  people that I don't use its gonna happen I recognized it very popular differing [TS]

  viewpoints anyway so I i dont know I would like to hear some people can test [TS]

  this who are experiencing the battery problems as people are saying I disabled [TS]

  back and refreshments still do not have the background tried disabling all [TS]

  notifications because so anyway in eight if you force quit those content [TS]

  available sound pushes would not come through in nine they still come through [TS]

  79 even if you have quote force quit my ass if I send content available from my [TS]

  server to your phone in uveal notifications my Apple wake up in the [TS]

  background and I can start doing something I can start [TS]

  background download I can start playing silent audio forever you know he does so [TS]

  I'm curious if disabled notifications entirely as the fix disabling them [TS]

  entirely on the entire phone or just to the Facebook just for the app but like [TS]

  you know because there there's like any any chapters unification area and then [TS]

  there is this big message of top allowed notifications and there's the more [TS]

  granular stuff shown in the case senator bad yep icon which should they be but if [TS]

  you turn that off for Facebook I wonder if it then it won't get these [TS]

  notifications but anyway so that's what they're doing it seems and they they [TS]

  should some kind of weird responses must have been some bugger rogue engineer you [TS]

  know some BS but the reality is this is a disgusting company and and they do [TS]

  lots of unethical things and this is one thing you know they they're doing it [TS]

  because they can't you know that this is not the kind of thing you program [TS]

  accidentally they're doing it because they can and what Apple gonna do reject [TS]

  the Facebook app like there this is kind of you know they can't really do that [TS]

  much for it and I think it's unfortunate but that's just the power dynamic this [TS]

  is this is also from the talk show you know they the Facebook app is most [TS]

  likely the most popular third-party app on iOS by a long shot I guess that's [TS]

  number one you to his number two but you can't exactly tell Facebook you know you [TS]

  you can't do this anymore like how much power they have now I kinda wish they [TS]

  would exert that peres little bit more here but they might not really be able [TS]

  to but I don't know either way to this is if you are a Facebook user you should [TS]

  not be surprised by this you should be mad but you should not be surprised and [TS]

  this is just what it doesn't it's and it's you know it's disgusting [TS]

  yeah I don't really have anything to add about this I don't use the regular [TS]

  Facebook app because it around the time [TS]

  this prior year ago now but around the time the facebook Messenger became a [TS]

  thing they eventually took the ability to send and receive messages out of the [TS]

  the standard Facebook app but they would still send you push notification they [TS]

  still had the entry point to the messages section in the app so was like [TS]

  a tablet something like that but you would get there and they would say oh no [TS]

  we move this to a new app you have to go get that other app this is stinky but I [TS]

  refused to go get that other app because I almost never send or receive Facebook [TS]

  messages eventually I got sick of this and I got sick of the Facebook app and [TS]

  so I downloaded Facebook paper one of the 85 things named paper that is in our [TS]

  little world and that allows you to send and receive messages and that's what I [TS]

  used if I am using anything with facebook on my phone and its fine pretty [TS]

  but otherwise unremarkable and that was basically it for me however Aaron does [TS]

  use the normal Facebook app and the other day I noticed once again battery [TS]

  usage that it looked really high but I didn't think much of it because I didn't [TS]

  know if perhaps he had been using Facebook all day or something and then [TS]

  it was just a day or two later that all this kerfuffle started about battery [TS]

  usage not really wish I'd pay closer attention to it but I have been [TS]

  intending to keep closer track of the apps usage and I did turn off like [TS]

  background updates and all the things you guys described and I suspected I [TS]

  think that's exactly what you said Marco that it still getting used a lot first [TS]

  seemingly no reason and that's just gross [TS]

  just because you can doesn't mean you should kids and yet when you're a [TS]

  company as big and powerful as Facebook when you likely have the most popular [TS]

  third-party app on the platform you can get away with this and it's also it's [TS]

  kind of too bad that that Apple allows it that they should have reacted in some [TS]

  way shape or form [TS]

  publicly in the sense that [TS]

  maybe they should have pulled the app or not not like disabled on existing [TS]

  devices but maybe you can download it from the App Store or or something and [TS]

  maybe I know maybe I'm being ridiculous but I feel like it's just it's stinky [TS]

  that the big powerful people get away with things that the little guys can't [TS]

  yeah my question is what benefit does facebook think provide this provides [TS]

  them like just ignore everything else about this facebook facebook does that [TS]

  purpose [TS]

  you know because they wanted why why do they want this like you when you think [TS]

  you'll be bad but what is there a need to do all the time like what [TS]

  gather data series about what about like where the location data from the phone [TS]

  I'm just wondering like they might be who I don't think there's that much like [TS]

  if you if the Facebook app just said I don't know what the interval years but [TS]

  like waking me up every 15 minutes to get up their fight is it the immediacy [TS]

  of being able like I'm always running so as soon as something happens on Facebook [TS]

  people know right away instead of having to wait for a background refresh [TS]

  interval or something like that because Facebook must also know the down side [TS]

  which is that people you're gonna run people's batteries down more and I don't [TS]

  know they just seem well-defined to charger somewhere cuz they're not going [TS]

  to go without the Facebook updates or they'll use their phone must like you [TS]

  would think if you had an Apogee be trying to get maybe information like he [TS]

  did things like we don't want your engagement and interaction with the [TS]

  average for your information I don't know I'm just trying to understand from [TS]

  their perspective how it makes sense to try to have your appt be running all the [TS]

  time so to put things in perspective just today I was at the dentist's office [TS]

  and the the Dennis nurse we were talking waiting for the dentist come in and she [TS]

  got on the subject but she said to me oh yeah the other day I went to that place [TS]

  I believe she said she was talking about Facebook if I might get this can I might [TS]

  be getting us confused with Google but I went to this place on Facebook or it can [TS]

  show you like all the stuff knows about you know the places you've been and it [TS]

  was super creepy cuz it new everywhere I had been and so granted this is one data [TS]

  point completely anecdotally from a person who just 10 minutes before told [TS]

  me she was completely inept when it comes to computers but [TS]

  this conversation happened completely naturally i didnt prompted I didn't [TS]

  interrogators sheep said to me oh yeah it's so creepy what they know that's so [TS]

  weird so I suspect it is just data gathering and maybe there's no not the [TS]

  various purposes as well like when you start the app you want it to be totally [TS]

  refreshed blah blah blah but I think mostly it's for data gathering I mean [TS]

  it's probably all these things you know it is probably you know if if they do [TS]

  any kind of like continuous location or period application monitoring I'm sure [TS]

  it's for that I'm sure it's you know if they're doing any kind of analytics of [TS]

  you know what kind of phone you have hey whatever it is you know there are things [TS]

  you can measure I'm guessing it's probably a little bit about location and [TS]

  it is almost certainly would Johnson it's almost certainly about engagement [TS]

  it is about you know they I'm sure that it that having a rapper in the [TS]

  background being able to get data immediately from your server being able [TS]

  to to start downloading things I think it's just to start cashing things to [TS]

  start preloading things that things that you're going to be looking at I'm sure [TS]

  it for all those reasons and I'm sure the the overall reason is data gathering [TS]

  is pretty part of any other thing is just engagement because if they can if [TS]

  they can increase the amount if they're basically always running or running as [TS]

  much as they possibly can then they can get you they can get you notifications [TS]

  fashion they can get you data fashion they can get you new stuff downloading [TS]

  faster and it's all about reducing fractions of each of the not only can [TS]

  they bother you as often as possible to come back to the app but also that when [TS]

  you are there there's no delay in loading anything you know cause because [TS]

  they've measured that both people like that and also it increases our numbers [TS]

  it makes us X 10 per year of more engagement and more growth hacking [TS]

  whatever it that's why you know there's plenty of reasons why they want to do [TS]

  this [TS]

  those are the two big ones makes me wonder if like there was a setting in [TS]

  the app that said should we try to run [TS]

  in the background even when every setting the telling us as MySpace users [TS]

  choose which behavior they want to be an interesting choice because you know if [TS]

  they didn't do this when you launch the Facebook app less stuff would be loaded [TS]

  presumably I'm assuming that they're taking advantage of that which user [TS]

  experience but people before with a preferred that when you want to Facebook [TS]

  out it's like up today to most of the stuff is loaded with your preferred the [TS]

  decision is your friend post something you know about immediately like would [TS]

  people trade the battery head for that most people think about Facebook app to [TS]

  use my battery too much of their tech enough to know that office with you [TS]

  about it I wish it didn't do you really wish it didn't if we took away all of [TS]

  the things that it's doing during the battery time because then you'd be like [TS]

  the Facebook episode slower time alone just got a bunch of stuff like I'm [TS]

  wondering what tradeoff people that make because like I said you know the app [TS]

  maker of your second everyone's battery down do you think you're gonna lose [TS]

  engagement because they're going to say well it's lunchtime and normally I would [TS]

  keep looking at Facebook but my batteries is too low so I'm not going to [TS]

  know that is find a charger I guess or the use of battery power something like [TS]

  I wonder if it's no wonder if they've determined that this is the trade off [TS]

  the people would choose anyway so let's just aggressively in the background and [TS]

  you know and the other part of it like speculating is just the game of chicken [TS]

  with Apple is like you both said when you pull the Facebook app good luck with [TS]

  that that will hurt your iPhone sales numbers more than pretty much any other [TS]

  Apple point you could possibly do I was getting an iPhone but it doesn't have [TS]

  facebook so forget it right so that isn't a negotiation between these two [TS]

  powerhouses to say Apple to say please don't run your thing in the background [TS]

  so much Facebook to say I dare you to pull I don't know how that's working out [TS]

  maybe they just don't even know me good Apple has been like you said Marco [TS]

  changing the rules for the various push notifications and updates and all those [TS]

  stuff and they show you know the consequences of those with respect to [TS]

  the Facebook app so [TS]

  I'm sure I'm sure that Apple has been in touch with facebook over this by now you [TS]

  know because it's very possible apple just didn't know about it I find it a [TS]

  little hard to believe it's a so widespread but it's very possible that [TS]

  like this is brought to their attention or at least you know the right peoples [TS]

  as engine with an Apple at the same time that we all learn about it so I'm sure [TS]

  that somebody in Apple contacted somebody faze put to talk about this and [TS]

  you know we'll see how it shakes out but I'm so I'm also I'm not surprised to see [TS]

  this because Facebook's entire iOS app it's this they have this culture similar [TS]

  to Google has to this culture of extreme engineering arrogance to the point where [TS]

  they don't feel like they need to respect the platform they're running on [TS]

  they feel like they know better and they're above it and so they the [TS]

  attitude of Facebook that permitted this to happen I guarantee this was not a bug [TS]

  I guarantee this was somebody saying the screw Apple's limitations this is how we [TS]

  get around them and and we deserve it because we know what's best for us and [TS]

  for our users period and apples on involved in the discussion like its [TS]

  culture of arrogance that that is very very common on Facebook and Google and [TS]

  YouTube for sure and you see a lot in the way like their app is this massive [TS]

  bloated mess of a million different custom written things to customers [TS]

  implement things from the system whenever I mean this massive massive app [TS]

  and they're like writing their own Xcode cuz they bring Xcode the way they use it [TS]

  all the all this crazy stuff they do out of this arrogance if they think they're [TS]

  above the rules that fits right into all that it's not a surprise at all and and [TS]

  also I would argue that that this is actually kind of like a whole security [TS]

  opens its a battery whole pineapple side which is why it why do none of these [TS]

  switches that used to work or they seem like they should work like why if you [TS]

  turn off background refresh on a nap should content available notifications [TS]

  to come through cause like I know in the ultraviolet eight when if you force quit [TS]

  an app they wouldn't come through anymore that caused definitely some [TS]

  supporting out with overcast happy because that's how I do my updates and [TS]

  then notification show on screen is a little indication [TS]

  so it would cause problems in that people wouldn't expect that to work that [TS]

  way they wouldn't expect it to force quit the app that it wouldn't get new [TS]

  data anymore ever you know so it made sense to change that behavior from eight [TS]

  to nine but I definitely think that there should either be a separate switch [TS]

  which is probably less good or they should just roll it into the background [TS]

  refresh rate reaches if somebody has disabled back on refresh for a nap it [TS]

  should not also still get content available notifications do you feel like [TS]

  where you've commented on Google and Facebook engineering arrogance given our [TS]

  conversation earlier do you feel like apples are against lies in industrial [TS]

  design now I think it's more than just that but the perhaps their largest bit [TS]

  of arrogance Apple has no shortage of their own arrogance believe me that's [TS]

  one of the reasons why do people who love all these companies love them [TS]

  because each of them has their own breed of arrogance in different areas and they [TS]

  all think they know best for the whole stack top to bottom and that's that's [TS]

  what makes you know Apple ship what it ships as its windows software it's a lot [TS]

  of Windows people and really terrible impression of Apple iTunes and QuickTime [TS]

  for Windows back in the day like that you know so this applies to all them but [TS]

  generally the results of of one company being a little too pushy and in some [TS]

  area usually hurts the customers on the other platforms and this is one of those [TS]

  instances where like Facebook clearly thinks they're above the law with with [TS]

  App Store rules and iOS system restrictions and as a result they really [TS]

  are hurting their users and there you know it's it's not good so but I don't [TS]

  think they care their benefit themselves not all Facebook ever does and you know [TS]

  that's that's Facebook that's all anybody any company ever does I mean I [TS]

  don't think that's explicit Facebook or Google I mean I think Apple in many ways [TS]

  does the same thing they they generally do but I think speaking of you know [TS]

  striking a balance I think Apple strikes a way better balance in that regard with [TS]

  the No [TS]

  quality and respect for you there's than than Facebook or Google and I think I [TS]

  think Facebook is worse than Google I mean I put Google right [TS]

  middle their facebook is horrible Google is Apple's most the time anyway thanks [TS]

  for the responses this week [TS]

  Squarespace automatic and fracture me we'll see you next week now that show [TS]

  they didn't even mean to begin was accidental [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  because it was dead and it all and Markel [TS]

  prospects for two seconds after some seconds really asking about 40 60 gave a [TS]

  speech that said hey bro six is coming it's going to be ready and people ask me [TS]

  what I thought about it i think im discussed this before speculating what I [TS]

  would think 16 is announced that it has been said the same thing that I said [TS]

  before I like prospects I think it's a really interesting language but my [TS]

  interest in it is proportional to the quality of the implementation so I don't [TS]

  just want to be able to write for all six in something that executes its I [TS]

  need to be reasonably fast and stable and better than some other language I'm [TS]

  using it implementing real-world applications because as much as I enjoy [TS]

  the language and what it looks like I'm not gonna build anything with it for [TS]

  reals for reals [TS]

  like all all the benefits of the language is supposed to have like a look [TS]

  at all these contracts that are you know that are right for actual concurrency [TS]

  and look at the ability to pin down types that could let us use more [TS]

  efficient types internally to have higher performance well unless actually [TS]

  have the higher performance unless it actually does the concurrency that is [TS]

  inherent in the semantics of the language much less interested in it so [TS]

  I'm glad that they're deciding to put a pin in 6.0 8.0 and have it come out [TS]

  fifteen years later or whatever but I'm mostly interested in it when I can use [TS]

  it to build actual real things because it's not like I'm being super demanding [TS]

  about and I'm still I really love the language I think other languages I [TS]

  should study it and take the ideas for a murder whatever but I'm never going to [TS]

  learn what is good for me it's not good for Angelica implement something in it [TS]

  and never going to learn something in it if the performance and reliability is [TS]

  worse than every other possible language I could use not saying the frontier I [TS]

  believe gonna be terrible I know it's improved and others multiple backends is [TS]

  the JVM 1 might be faster because he pay you back in all the the JVM work has [TS]

  been done over the [TS]

  past decades or whatever it's just that I need to see that I just say hey you [TS]

  know like Marco they had built this thing and go and it was super fast and [TS]

  really reliable and by the way I had to learn going to need to see someone else [TS]

  that had this thing and pearl six and it was super fast and really reliable and [TS]

  if I had built in Perl 5 would've been worse than if I built in my building go [TS]

  it would have been worse in this way or whatever like that's what I'm looking [TS]

  for that's just me personally your mileage may vary so I encourage everyone [TS]

  to take up projects that are especially the people who have no idea what it is [TS]

  because people who don't have any idea what is I think they just think it's [TS]

  like PHP with different like dollar signs and stopping at nothing to be like [TS]

  406 is strange in ways if swift didn't exist it would be more than expected [TS]

  given everybody gonna pants like what the hell is going on with this language [TS]

  like what are they trying to do there it's like see what's trucks but like got [TS]

  this weird stuff like its object oriented but also it's got a functional [TS]

  stuff mixed in like what the hell like Swift is like pro 6 like a tiny fragment [TS]

  of pearl 66 exploded in a little tiny star came out of it and some other [TS]

  things but prosecutors got all the crazy and all the crazy in the best sense like [TS]

  crazy like a fox so I encourage everyone who is interested in anything having to [TS]

  do with languages check out the project's website wade through the [TS]

  documentation into your eyes roll back in your head I'm using these people I [TS]

  must be on something they probably are lots of good ideas which still so I have [TS]

  two questions first of all an infinite time scale do you think you will use 406 [TS]

  if [TS]

  things like is there something magical about them putting on a 6.0 I know [TS]

  that's going to make the implementation much better much faster I don't know [TS]

  about that but I assume people will keep working on it because it is interesting [TS]

  as families the smoker people have enough motivation to keep plugging away [TS]

  I'm not entirely come from news that they will ever get to the point where [TS]

  end up using it to make a real project is it conceivable that for my entire [TS]

  life could be like a weird research project that is interesting to the [TS]

  people who talk around with it but it never becomes sort of thing large [TS]

  applications so I don't know there are not going to say it definitely will [TS]

  because it could have been a time that I could just peter out and like people [TS]

  stopped working on it becomes a historical curiosity from which people [TS]

  take ideas going forward will be fine like it's a lot of you know five for [TS]

  that matter most of its benefit i think is not then the part where played a [TS]

  prime role in making the allegations are in the web 1.0 error but the fact that [TS]

  so many other people used her looked into those ideas toward in their own [TS]

  languages including swift question number two which do you think is likely [TS]

  to happen first you adopt pro 64 you replace your Mac Pro replacing the Mac [TS]

  Pro a 406 or anything [TS]

  definitely [TS]