The Incomparable

257: Raptor Sipping Tea

 

  the incomparable number 257 August 2015 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  incomparable podcast I'm your hostess [TS]

  and still we are going to convene a [TS]

  meeting of our comic book club and as [TS]

  always I will say what we try to do the [TS]

  comic book clubs have this be something [TS]

  that you can go out and read and get us [TS]

  story [TS]

  you don't have to read a thousand issues [TS]

  of history to understand what's going on [TS]

  and so our comic book club selection for [TS]

  this episode is Runaways which is [TS]

  available in many different formats [TS]

  including an omnibus version of the [TS]

  first 18 issues called the complete [TS]

  collection vol.1 which amuses me it's [TS]

  not complete unto itself it's just [TS]

  following one but it is the first 18 [TS]

  issues of the first volume from 2003 of [TS]

  Runaways by bryan cave on who we've [TS]

  talked about on p previous episodes of [TS]

  the uncomfortable and a few a few [TS]

  different illustrators i think but [TS]

  primarily Adrian telefona and its a [TS]

  spoiler it's really great so you should [TS]

  read it and then you should listen to [TS]

  this episode what you're doing right now [TS]

  let me introduce the panelists on this [TS]

  episode of the comic book club of course [TS]

  always here for comfort Club it's lisa [TS]

  Schmeisser hi Lisa [TS]

  hi it's a pleasure to be here yeah we [TS]

  get to talk about Runaways it's exciting [TS]

  mhm also joining us chairman sudderth is [TS]

  here [TS]

  hello laughing Keys so yeah so you and [TS]

  did you and your husband have to like [TS]

  flip a coin because I I know you both [TS]

  wanted to talk about this but but we [TS]

  sent should get cheap is a gentleman he [TS]

  graciously thought that for once I [TS]

  should get to have the phone and talking [TS]

  on a real and comfortable and not just [TS]

  all the game shows all right well [TS]

  welcome it's good to have you here thank [TS]

  you friendship can listen later Tony [TS]

  similar is also out there hi Tony [TS]

  hello dirts and Dan more'n I was I not [TS]

  supposed to read a thousand issues of [TS]

  comic books because I think I did [TS]

  something wrong [TS]

  yeah that's okay you can do that it's [TS]

  just not required its option I reading [TS]

  them right now no yeah well that happens [TS]

  you'll get you go so I'm taking issue [TS]

  with Shannon's real incomparable vs game [TS]

  shows honey's please it's all [TS]

  my family isn't this the flagship though [TS]

  yeah but it is what the other shows a [TS]

  real there are there real was very real [TS]

  and there was some on the internet it's [TS]

  okay Dan we like your we like your your [TS]

  game okay it's just a little sensitive [TS]

  right now it doesn't count but it's fine [TS]

  it by the way people should listen to [TS]

  dance game show which is called [TS]

  inconceivable and is in the incomparable [TS]

  game show podcast so I'm gonna listen to [TS]

  that there's a plug fun [TS]

  are you happy now damn i thank you [TS]

  alright it's ok it out sindelar or [TS]

  should I say not Tony no you're not no [TS]

  actual Tony I like when people refer to [TS]

  me by my last name it feels like we're [TS]

  like some kind of like nineteen twenties [TS]

  prep school you know weakness [TS]

  let's go on play lacrosse in making [TS]

  anti-semitic jokes this is great for a [TS]

  good chaps in the water [TS]

  let's look about in trees and watch the [TS]

  golden boy on the field but it's so [TS]

  Runaways a one of the one of the things [TS]

  I love about Runaways and I we've [TS]

  mentioned it on previous podcast is that [TS]

  this is set in the Marvel Universe [TS]

  published by Marvel Comics and yet is it [TS]

  a real original work and in fact i I've [TS]

  cited several times as the kind of thing [TS]

  we don't see from the major comic book [TS]

  publishers very much anymore which is a [TS]

  whole group of brand new characters [TS]

  created by a very talented writer and [TS]

  the and owned by one of the big comic [TS]

  book publishers because the rule now is [TS]

  basically don't do this [TS]

  look for the bryan cave on should have [TS]

  created them in their own universe and [TS]

  walked away with all the rights to them [TS]

  and sold it to make a movie or a TV show [TS]

  but for whatever reason this is part of [TS]

  the Marvel Universe and they use that to [TS]

  their advantage from time to time but I [TS]

  but it's not something that requires [TS]

  your knowledge of Marvel Comics history [TS]

  it really does read like an original [TS]

  work that just happens to be set in the [TS]

  Marvel Universe and that's actually one [TS]

  of the things I love about it it's [TS]

  because of the origin story for the [TS]

  comic yeah the the tsunami waves and not [TS]

  yeah where they were basically gave if [TS]

  we can make comics that are the size [TS]

  that girls can put their purse i kid you [TS]

  not [TS]

  and and make them thinking like manga [TS]

  crowd then then we can grab manga and we [TS]

  can use these titles to as a bridge into [TS]

  the marble verse which is why there are [TS]

  actually like sometimes you know like [TS]

  the presence of mutants and the [TS]

  cloak-and-dagger appears and cloak [TS]

  entire yeah and you know captain america [TS]

  pops up at the end of it but it was the [TS]

  tsunami thing was was a short-lived [TS]

  initiative to try to pull in female [TS]

  comic readers because this is back this [TS]

  is back in the very early audis when [TS]

  comic book sales were tanking big time [TS]

  and the idea of a comic book was mostly [TS]

  a joke and publishers are freaking out [TS]

  over declining sales and they very [TS]

  correctly discern that one of the [TS]

  reasons sales are going to us because [TS]

  comets really appealing to females and [TS]

  so they thought well we'll just give [TS]

  will give them a comic they can fit in [TS]

  their purse and tsunami didn't do well [TS]

  it like shut it [TS]

  the imprint shut down fairly quickly if [TS]

  i remember correctly because most girls [TS]

  like I don't give a crap it's my [TS]

  personal give a crap if it's good [TS]

  Rose is good and that's one of the [TS]

  reasons it's it's tense bounced around [TS]

  the marvel vs little bit but I feel like [TS]

  it's been mistreated come by i feel like [TS]

  the characters been mistreated compared [TS]

  to when they were often their own little [TS]

  bubble thing for the first like 18 to 36 [TS]

  issues [TS]

  well you know that this is this is a we [TS]

  can talk about this because this is a [TS]

  self-contained story and then they sort [TS]

  of you know they're part of the [TS]

  intellectual property of the Marvel [TS]

  Universe and can be integrated elsewhere [TS]

  but here they get the to get their own [TS]

  through line and one of the things I [TS]

  really like about issues 1 218 this [TS]

  first volume is that it's telling it's [TS]

  telling us a story and it's about the [TS]

  characters were introduced to and it's a [TS]

  great it's a great shot should I explain [TS]

  the premise of Runaways now with that [TS]

  that makes sense to do [TS]

  yeah it's it's the most similar it's the [TS]

  most simple of premises in a way I [TS]

  imagined that a group of kids discover [TS]

  that their parents are super villains I [TS]

  mean that's the simplest way to describe [TS]

  it and and they do run away from home [TS]

  but it turns out that they also have [TS]

  special abilities of their own and they [TS]

  eventually decided to basically take the [TS]

  fight to their parents because if their [TS]

  parents are going to be evil [TS]

  super-villains then they need to stop [TS]

  them to save the world which they have [TS]

  the parents are literally plotting to [TS]

  history to end all human life on planet [TS]

  Earth [TS]

  and so they have to stop them and get to [TS]

  know each other better because they've [TS]

  just been sort of like forced together [TS]

  because their parents are friends or it [TS]

  turns out conspirators co-conspirators [TS]

  and and then the fun begins [TS]

  basically and and it's a lot of fun it's [TS]

  so smart and so sharpen places too [TS]

  oh yeah I am shocked that this hasn't [TS]

  been made into a into a movie or a TV [TS]

  series i'm like it was supposed to be [TS]

  and then it got it you know it turns out [TS]

  there making all the other Marvel stuff [TS]

  that got pumped and I have got killed [TS]

  eventually but there was there was a yes [TS]

  plan there was a screenplay and then [TS]

  Avengers made a billion dollars and they [TS]

  decided that we're gonna ride all of the [TS]

  regular characters and yeah [TS]

  and although guardians of the galaxy got [TS]

  made this one got put into turn around [TS]

  and and it's a mystery now about what [TS]

  might happen to it and whether but it's [TS]

  really it's funny this story is such [TS]

  it's such a great story i could not when [TS]

  reading it back this weekend in advance [TS]

  of this i could not stop thinking about [TS]

  what a great film or TV series property [TS]

  this is and it's just sitting there it [TS]

  would make an excellent CW style series [TS]

  sense [TS]

  boy what says they don't know I am I [TS]

  right laughing because that's it that is [TS]

  a good fit you're totally right and I i [TS]

  definitely would push for a TV series [TS]

  over the movie when I was thinking about [TS]

  is when I reread was help freakin smart [TS]

  phone and his editors were because this [TS]

  this entire series is perfectly pitched [TS]

  to the teenage sensibility where you [TS]

  know every teenager has them over there [TS]

  like off my parents are of the devil or [TS]

  what have you and in this case it's the [TS]

  actualization of that but by the end of [TS]

  it you see how much these parents [TS]

  despite being people who have bargains [TS]

  to give the earth to ancient alien [TS]

  entities you see how much they love [TS]

  their kids because that deal they made [TS]

  within the dealing with the alien / [TS]

  jibran given what you want to come [TS]

  earlier was we sweet we prep the world [TS]

  for you we get 25 years and in return [TS]

  half of us getting mortality and they [TS]

  originally like that the group of 12 [TS]

  adults they're like fun you know we'll [TS]

  both will deal with who gets mortality [TS]

  later we have 25 years to scheme against [TS]

  each other what happens and then 11 of [TS]

  the couple's false pregnant and all six [TS]

  couple [TS]

  spontaneous basically spontaneous say [TS]

  you know what we don't care if we get [TS]

  killed at the end of us as long as our [TS]

  children get a shot at immortality and [TS]

  then at the end of it the parents will [TS]

  go down fighting against the people they [TS]

  made bargains with but it and I thought [TS]

  well it's it's a really smart [TS]

  coming-of-age necessary psychic [TS]

  separation of parents seeing your [TS]

  parents as people seeing the [TS]

  unconditional love your parents still [TS]

  have for you no matter what i thought [TS]

  it's a really psychologically reassuring [TS]

  book two kids or rather to teenagers [TS]

  it's really smart how he wrote it like [TS]

  that where there's a whole lot of who am [TS]

  i what am i doing but the same time I [TS]

  mean sure their parents are super [TS]

  villains but they're they're super [TS]

  villains who really love their kids and [TS]

  that's reassuring on some level you know [TS]

  so maybe for chases parents getting his [TS]

  mom loves somebody has dashes get up [TS]

  close that is awful but yeah you had to [TS]

  have one like that first time we see see [TS]

  those two he's getting punched by his [TS]

  father his dad [TS]

  yeah his dad is basically a he's ease [TS]

  his dad would be at home like the hank [TS]

  pym universe but i really like i really [TS]

  love how how the Creed turn into her [TS]

  turned out to be like soap opera stars [TS]

  and there's just so many slidable [TS]

  there's so many sliding funny touches [TS]

  the dialogue is is his age is age [TS]

  realistic and a lot of ways especially [TS]

  the kids train code names and they're [TS]

  just so hilariously dorky and wrong and [TS]

  that is something I love about this book [TS]

  the way it plays with the superhero [TS]

  tropes through these kids eyes first [TS]

  all of them except Alex adopt these [TS]

  rather silly code names and by the end [TS]

  of the like first volume or the middle [TS]

  of the second half of the 18 issues [TS]

  everybody pretty much has dropped them [TS]

  except except group and she hangs onto [TS]

  hers for a while before she finally be [TS]

  no throw your hands up in the air as [TS]

  well and of course little molly is the [TS]

  only one who you know she actually goes [TS]

  and makes a costume from the scrap she [TS]

  finds around their hideout we know she's [TS]

  11 you know that will be what she would [TS]

  think of the others don't bother it's [TS]

  all about trying to survive [TS]

  since you have that lens of the marvel [TS]

  universe because this is setting the [TS]

  universe we're superheroes are real [TS]

  coming up with code names is is comical [TS]

  to also the outsider but not necessarily [TS]

  comical to them because they have all [TS]

  these these exemplars 22 [TS]

  patterned after like the first the [TS]

  opening scene we see is you know Alex [TS]

  playing some like mo basically that's [TS]

  all superheroes right right and so [TS]

  having that it's a fact of life there [TS]

  right like it's a fact of life that [TS]

  there are superheroes and that they you [TS]

  know they they have monikers they adopt [TS]

  and so you know that makes it perfectly [TS]

  natural for them to pattern themselves [TS]

  after that even if it does come across [TS]

  sounding i really love my personal [TS]

  favorite is that I've never forgotten [TS]

  the character's name whose sister grim [TS]

  yes me go you got me you got me go new [TS]

  coaches that because it's RAIM handle I [TS]

  was like that's em up [TS]

  ok that you have you nailed the teenage [TS]

  thing there yeah welcome to 2003 who bet [TS]

  against short attention spans [TS]

  like I said you know they pretty much be [TS]

  no stop using them fairly quickly as [TS]

  well which i think is very in keeping [TS]

  with teenagers superhero world being [TS]

  their reality notwithstanding because [TS]

  you're always trying on the whole point [TS]

  that age you're trying on identities and [TS]

  trying to figure out who you want to be [TS]

  versus you're likely going to end up [TS]

  being and and there's that whole psychic [TS]

  separation from your parents to and then [TS]

  when you find that your parents have [TS]

  been operating as the pride and it helps [TS]

  their home see supervillain names i just [TS]

  really like the fact that they all had [TS]

  such different origins to because you've [TS]

  got to hear space aliens appear time [TS]

  travelers who ended up stranded here [TS]

  because of a broken machine a pair of [TS]

  dark Wizards a pair of which check all [TS]

  the boxes [TS]

  yeah yeah a pair of mutants just a penny [TS]

  themes and I'm missing one pair of [TS]

  genius scientist and it's basically [TS]

  calling in every single origin story [TS]

  that Marvel has ever had for anyone [TS]

  anywhere so you have also you have all [TS]

  the classic comic troops who you know [TS]

  are are in one reluctant social group [TS]

  you and I feel like in in some ways this [TS]

  series also asked what happens when [TS]

  these people become parents because you [TS]

  don't see a lot of plausible depictions [TS]

  of parenthood on on like the the capes [TS]

  side of the equation but you see here [TS]

  with the villains and that kind of [TS]

  fascinates me how they did that way i [TS]

  just really like how they showed the [TS]

  development of both the parents over [TS]

  time and the kids over time to [TS]

  especially the kids [TS]

  yes because the openings are so so very [TS]

  cliche it it's like you said they're [TS]

  taking all the boxes because you've got [TS]

  the the folks who started out as petty [TS]

  thieves are the ones who are you know [TS]

  telling Alex you know you cancel that [TS]

  subscription young man because we save [TS]

  every dollar that that's how we can [TS]

  afford to live here and three panels [TS]

  later his game room has all of these [TS]

  arcade games classic arcane arcade game [TS]

  surrounding so yeah he's spending money [TS]

  and Carolina the the actors be whatever [TS]

  it'll be different events yet vagin [TS]

  tempeh and yeah you know that they're [TS]

  just sprinkle some yeast flakes on it [TS]

  will take so nicely if they're like [TS]

  grinning at each other constantly that's [TS]

  adorable and Niko's mamasota her black [TS]

  nail polish because it might cause [TS]

  cancer and death metal and yeah it's [TS]

  terrific that they start with all of [TS]

  these different prototypes and as we go [TS]

  through the series like you said [TS]

  everybody develops everybody gets a [TS]

  personality which is something else i [TS]

  love about how even though you've got [TS]

  all these six kids and you know they're [TS]

  all teenagers are preteens they all [TS]

  still develop their own personalities [TS]

  their own way of thinking you know chase [TS]

  maybe the dumb jock but he's the dumb [TS]

  jock who actually has a clever idea once [TS]

  in a while and things like that are [TS]

  really fascinating the one I found [TS]

  really heartbreaking and is Molly [TS]

  because she's so young she's not even [TS]

  really impunity yet and she has to come [TS]

  to grips with the fact that her parents [TS]

  are our villains who kill people and it [TS]

  doesn't pop up in the series of 18 but [TS]

  there's a really heartbreaking issue [TS]

  later on in the series run where she [TS]

  falls asleep after one of the fights [TS]

  because Molly has super strength but it [TS]

  drains her and she passes out that's [TS]

  that's the flip side so she's not [TS]

  invincible and they I guess she died i [TS]

  guess the other kids put on a park bench [TS]

  asleep before they take care of [TS]

  something and she has this dream that [TS]

  her parents are still alive and taking [TS]

  care of her and she tells him how much [TS]

  he loves them over and over and and in [TS]

  the dream she said I had this terrible [TS]

  nightmare where you guys are villains [TS]

  and we had to kill you and then she [TS]

  wakes up and like I remember reading [TS]

  that issue just being like why they [TS]

  protect her in the first issue they [TS]

  protect her when they discover the [TS]

  secret passage and they discover that [TS]

  they do that consistently of a from that [TS]

  from the first issue they are taking her [TS]

  they have Carolina take her back outside [TS]

  so that she can't wait [TS]

  miss whatever is going to happen next [TS]

  cause they know it's going to be [TS]

  something that that that Molly shouldn't [TS]

  have to see and she's kind of the last [TS]

  they recruit to the team right [TS]

  well it's not that she's just the [TS]

  youngest and yeah she's alive she's a [TS]

  mother she's constantly like referring [TS]

  to oh yeah our parents like we're gonna [TS]

  go home and they're like just remember [TS]

  we yeah we covered that ya know and and [TS]

  that's something that they actually kept [TS]

  up through the series even after this [TS]

  was the fact that you know molly was [TS]

  really having difficulty adjusting this [TS]

  because she's very young and she still [TS]

  needed her parents a lot more [TS]

  comparatively speaking and I like that [TS]

  they set up the roots for that really [TS]

  early and kept to it to like when she [TS]

  when they meet up with some [TS]

  cloak-and-dagger and they take it and [TS]

  she gets angry she rips away cloak and [TS]

  it turns out he's standing she's like my [TS]

  mom is a speech therapist she can [TS]

  totally help you know it's like Molly [TS]

  you know it but it's just such great [TS]

  storytelling because it really twist the [TS]

  knife used her book and she's the one [TS]

  character i think eight they took a [TS]

  couple of issues to really sort of you [TS]

  get our the first few issues she scans [TS]

  younger than 11 to me [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs based on my experience [TS]

  with kids she reacts more like a like it [TS]

  eight or nine-year-old for a while and [TS]

  then and then they start to find their [TS]

  groove and you know she starts acting a [TS]

  little little more maturely like you [TS]

  said or maybe near the fact that because [TS]

  she's coming to grips with all of the [TS]

  things happening around her does that [TS]

  for her but it they do find her voice on [TS]

  the way they do so marvelously for all [TS]

  the other characters i should note that [TS]

  late in the series her parents also save [TS]

  Molly tends to present is a lot younger [TS]

  than she is [TS]

  it's common mutants with her level of [TS]

  intelligence so I i suspect that maybe [TS]

  somebody said to Brian came on you [TS]

  realize that 11 year olds are pretty [TS]

  sophisticated right he's like oh crap [TS]

  now i have to find explanation for wire [TS]

  record an eight-year-old also molly at [TS]

  some point this is shows a great deal of [TS]

  self-awareness and at some point in here [TS]

  I think she says something about how you [TS]

  know yeah you know you like it when I [TS]

  say funny things like because I'm a kid [TS]

  and it's it's a very very clear [TS]

  self-awareness that but she also does [TS]

  say a lot of really funny things [TS]

  actually this is the this is the she's [TS]

  not we're not laughing at her but she [TS]

  has this bizarre world [TS]

  view and way of phrasing the situation's [TS]

  they get in that's really hilarious and [TS]

  enjoyable and plus she wants to marry [TS]

  Wolverine until she meets him later it's [TS]

  hilarious oh yeah because there's and [TS]

  I'm not spoiling anything for anyone but [TS]

  this comes before the big mutant [TS]

  powering Molly doesn't get to powered [TS]

  her first baby with with Wolverine is [TS]

  actually pretty hospital and she punches [TS]

  him out of a church and there's like a [TS]

  panel where you see him flying and he's [TS]

  like up all the kids who have to covered [TS]

  why wasn't she one benefit and I was [TS]

  like okay I can accept this development [TS]

  so one of the interesting things about [TS]

  Runaways too i think is that unlike so [TS]

  much of of of especially marvel comics [TS]

  which is so new york center of DC Comics [TS]

  has got some stand-ins for New York and [TS]

  some other fictional cities but it's all [TS]

  about New York with marvel comics and [TS]

  this is a story that is set in Los [TS]

  Angeles and there's the best guess the [TS]

  pride is in charge of all the crime in [TS]

  la now one advantage of doing that is [TS]

  that it allows them to explain that [TS]

  these guys have been here all along [TS]

  doing evil things and we haven't seen [TS]

  them because we don't really pay that [TS]

  much attention to to LA in marvel comics [TS]

  but it also is a different you know a [TS]

  different set of colors to pay within [TS]

  the palate and they and you know I enjoy [TS]

  that about this 28 and it works better [TS]

  in la than it does in New York I think [TS]

  because of the culture especially you [TS]

  know having the actors in it and stuff [TS]

  like that really gets you missed more [TS]

  license for satire and and and cultural [TS]

  commentary than I think then you're in [TS]

  and also in some ways because New York [TS]

  would be so much more crowded what with [TS]

  all the other superheroes who are on the [TS]

  scene where is la does feel you know [TS]

  they make fun of the west coast avengers [TS]

  a bit but you know does feel a lot [TS]

  emptier from the Marvel Universe [TS]

  perspective [TS]

  yeah it's much more spread out and I [TS]

  think that helps the story as well as is [TS]

  used since it's a very broad canvas that [TS]

  both sides are playing on as opposed to [TS]

  New York where you can't around the [TS]

  corner without running into daredevil [TS]

  run literally ever is always buying [TS]

  coffee [TS]

  you can't go to a convenience store in [TS]

  La without right [TS]

  into a vampire that's what I look good [TS]

  yeah yeah that's exactly important [TS]

  projects i enjoy this true to life [TS]

  true-to-life well I i think we have to [TS]

  remember also that this is before the [TS]

  big resurgence of vampires and [TS]

  pop-culture i was surprised by the [TS]

  vampire appearance but it's like you [TS]

  know I mean I guess blade still out [TS]

  there he hasn't retired so they're still [TS]

  there still vampires [TS]

  yeah you know they don't pop up a lot of [TS]

  marvel comics but i like that they had [TS]

  cloak-and-dagger I thought that was like [TS]

  the perfect level of Marvel hero to to [TS]

  work in there right that was I felt like [TS]

  that was what well selected and they're [TS]

  kind of kids to right now [TS]

  yes I was and they have the runaway [TS]

  they're on the run an outrageous stories [TS]

  right so that automatically fits [TS]

  together [TS]

  yeah it was also a great point how dumb [TS]

  that origin story and you're like well [TS]

  we got kidnapped by strangers and fed [TS]

  drugs and like really maybe one of the [TS]

  outfits which they do [TS]

  oh god you always held idea yeah sorry [TS]

  dagger but you know yeah yeah maybe we [TS]

  should break down these characters [TS]

  because i think that would be a nice way [TS]

  to get into some conversations about the [TS]

  about the about Runaways where should we [TS]

  start slow [TS]

  let's start the first one first one we [TS]

  see is Alex my mom who is playing a on [TS]

  MMO uh-oh RPG of which means to explain [TS]

  what it is of marvel of Marvel Super [TS]

  Heroes which made me laugh because you [TS]

  know it's a total fake out the art style [TS]

  is completely different and it shows [TS]

  marvel superheroes and you're thinking [TS]

  what am I reading here and it turns out [TS]

  that they're playing that they're [TS]

  playing this game and his dad [TS]

  immediately says you can't play anymore [TS]

  and Alex you know it's his house where [TS]

  this all goes down at the beginning and [TS]

  and he's he's the you know kind of super [TS]

  smart computer genius kinda kind of kid [TS]

  who's obviously not not happy with how [TS]

  his parents parents still understand a [TS]

  man yeah and we kind of learned that his [TS]

  I guess over later that is kind of [TS]

  superpower in that they all get kind of [TS]

  some kind of superpower is that he's [TS]

  basically a brilliant tactician right [TS]

  that's kind of his yeah go yeah that's a [TS]

  good plan logic and strategy the master [TS]

  moment he's basically playing chess in [TS]

  his head every everybody today one of [TS]

  the one of the older I think Chase is [TS]

  the oldest and then [TS]

  looks like the second-oldest love [TS]

  Carlina because because Chase has a [TS]

  driver's license would see that one is [TS]

  about the special powers that you can [TS]

  legally so yeah this will bring up the [TS]

  second man in the crew I'm because [TS]

  Runaways is also unique among Marvel [TS]

  ensembles and that it was a [TS]

  female-dominated yes absolutely [TS]

  indeed very female-dominated because [TS]

  there's four girls two boys the first [TS]

  boys Alex the second is chase who is the [TS]

  son of two brilliant scientist chase is [TS]

  not left brain like they are and his [TS]

  father hates / fear / resents important [TS]

  yeah he's like a golden boy kinda you [TS]

  know captain of the football team kinda [TS]

  kind of guy and not not super smart [TS]

  yeah and his dad hates that like he's [TS]

  just a huge disappointment to his dad so [TS]

  there's chase and he's sarcastic i like [TS]

  chase that the this is I i think that [TS]

  one of the ways you you end up liking a [TS]

  character like this who has you know who [TS]

  is this [TS]

  he can drive and he's got he's the you [TS]

  know he's the captain of the football [TS]

  team or whatever his comeback character [TS]

  is by putting him with this collection [TS]

  of people who are like that and and he [TS]

  also doesn't have any powers he has like [TS]

  some stuff he stole from his parents and [TS]

  so it's an it's a it's a fascinating [TS]

  turn around where he's not being given [TS]

  enough credit for who he is as a person [TS]

  because he's written off as this as this [TS]

  you know football hero kind of guy and [TS]

  he doesn't have power so he's not [TS]

  special like most like most of the rest [TS]

  of them and I you end up like I find [TS]

  things done [TS]

  yeah I find he I like him a lot which is [TS]

  it's a neat trick I think to you to [TS]

  bring you all the way around on chase [TS]

  when you should really not like him for [TS]

  all the tropes that he represents and [TS]

  yet in the end you know you end up like [TS]

  him a lot [TS]

  yeah he's the one who manages to like [TS]

  you said sort of falls into success half [TS]

  the time half the time he's doing things [TS]

  he thinks that are clever the other kids [TS]

  are rolling their eyes at him and then [TS]

  he turns around and and what's up [TS]

  producing something you know like he's [TS]

  the one who manages to find find girls [TS]

  dinosaur at towards the end and makeup [TS]

  makeup makes a point of rescuing the [TS]

  dinosaur before he rescues guard he's [TS]

  unquestionably loyal in a way yeah that [TS]

  the kids are like you get the sense that [TS]

  some of the kids would come through for [TS]

  each other much more readily [TS]

  mothers and the thing about Chase is [TS]

  everybody always assumes that he won't [TS]

  and yet every time he does and he does [TS]

  so big like he comes through in a big [TS]

  way when he comes through and he always [TS]

  comes through he's he's he's I mean Alex [TS]

  maybe the guy who does strategy and [TS]

  tactics but chases the guy who manages [TS]

  logistics and I really either he's got a [TS]

  huge heart and he drives yeah various [TS]

  medical supplies yeah in fact that [TS]

  becomes his power essentially right is [TS]

  that he's although he's got some [TS]

  flame-throwing gloves at some point he [TS]

  also can drive the vehicles [TS]

  the gloves are kind of cool because it's [TS]

  not just flame-throwing but like flame [TS]

  conjuring and shaping which is I thought [TS]

  I don't know that was neat [TS]

  they're very cool they look very [TS]

  exoskeleton II and very that they're [TS]

  very of a time with it with the art to [TS]

  like them when we can talk about the art [TS]

  later but that art just totally screams [TS]

  turn of the center of the century / turn [TS]

  of the millennium as well it's there's [TS]

  there's a very distinctive style that [TS]

  took over in superhero comics from about [TS]

  1998 to about two thousand eight and [TS]

  this is right in the thick of it on but [TS]

  to get back to the characters the third [TS]

  was Carlina who is the lanky blonde [TS]

  beautiful daughter of the two soap opera [TS]

  actors and she's a vegetarian and she's [TS]

  a lesbian and she's also a space alien [TS]

  and she's just this very hippyish after [TS]

  all John doesn't we'll meet okay well [TS]

  you know rainbow lesbian it was kind of [TS]

  brick I like I wanted and I liked about [TS]

  her power is that she's just--she's get [TS]

  the way it's portrayed is that the [TS]

  colors just kind of totally wash out [TS]

  from her and kind of override everything [TS]

  you get you get the sense the way [TS]

  Carolina's is portrayed that she's just [TS]

  really bright like so bright that the [TS]

  camera there is no camera it's a comic [TS]

  book but the camera like can't even deal [TS]

  with the light from it is it's just like [TS]

  she glows and suffuses everything with [TS]

  like which is really a lot of fun and I [TS]

  was surprised in reading this that it is [TS]

  her her her lesbianism is an [TS]

  undercurrent from basically episode one [TS]

  issue one but it doesn't really get [TS]

  explicitly addressed until basically the [TS]

  you very end the very end when her like [TS]

  Nico we have to talk about your taste in [TS]

  voice yeah [TS]

  yeah and she's so so she's that that's [TS]

  that's fun and she's got this extra [TS]

  layer of being mean everybody is [TS]

  alienated in some way or other here for [TS]

  some reason they're an outsider there [TS]

  another from their parents and then in [TS]

  other ways but I feel like Carolina and [TS]

  some ways has it has it the the worst [TS]

  she is she is and it's not that she's [TS]

  gay [TS]

  it's that she's an alien and it really [TS]

  hits her hard but she's an alien [TS]

  that is the thing that makes her really [TS]

  feel like another and for this again [TS]

  like like chase this sort of [TS]

  stereotypical she's blonde and tall and [TS]

  beautiful and her parents are famous [TS]

  actors she has that interesting journey [TS]

  the other direction where she's you know [TS]

  she feels like like as much of an [TS]

  outsider's you could possibly because [TS]

  she discovers she's an alien [TS]

  well she's been betrayed a bunch of [TS]

  levels because your family betrays her [TS]

  you know her parents betrayer bio [TS]

  surprised were evil and then by the way [TS]

  they also didn't bother to tell her [TS]

  she's not even human and so she's got [TS]

  these two double whammy to deal with at [TS]

  the same time and it's it's just such a [TS]

  great metaphor for well you know you can [TS]

  say coming out or you could say even [TS]

  just just decided to be a different [TS]

  religion or or or or or a different [TS]

  political affiliation for your parents [TS]

  it's and since she has introduces a [TS]

  vegetarian as well it'sit's I feel like [TS]

  that's very deliberate what they're [TS]

  doing there when you have to declare [TS]

  yourself completely independent of your [TS]

  parents values of her parents [TS]

  yeah i think it's funny because her [TS]

  parents are they are they also [TS]

  vegetarians isn't part of the deal there [TS]

  I thereafter so yeah that yeah that's so [TS]

  what I possibly but they're certainly [TS]

  supportive of it i can't wait for her to [TS]

  like eat meat as an act of rebellion but [TS]

  yeah no no girl was the most of girl who [TS]

  will get to Richard Nixon she's the most [TS]

  overtly rebellious the reason she sticks [TS]

  to her coat in the longest she's like I [TS]

  don't want any name my parents gave me [TS]

  well plus because she thinks up she [TS]

  thinks up a really cool codename that's [TS]

  got a idea with her sidekick and all of [TS]

  that which yeah i also have to mention [TS]

  her sidekick is a Velociraptor to do [TS]

  that genetically engineered dinosaur [TS]

  from the future who is telepathic bond [TS]

  to her but as you do [TS]

  yes and it's like a rainbow Velociraptor [TS]

  and it's adorable and you know she's [TS]

  short and cheese purple hair [TS]

  and your total alternate chick she's the [TS]

  book smart one [TS]

  yeah and if there is various with the [TS]

  art art betrayal but were led to believe [TS]

  that she's not just short but she's [TS]

  overweight she's yes she's she's not [TS]

  portrayed as being attractive in now the [TS]

  way that most comic book characters are [TS]

  portrayed as being attractive which this [TS]

  is where you know one of her various [TS]

  points of alienation boy they've all got [TS]

  something that you feel like an outsider [TS]

  but this is this is part of her she [TS]

  looks like a normal person instead of [TS]

  just a common exactly and she feels [TS]

  different from from them and she likes [TS]

  old movies like arsenic and old lace so [TS]

  she needs yourself arsenic names are [TS]

  dinosaur old lace which just and they [TS]

  will keep referring to old lace [TS]

  throughout and it just makes me laugh [TS]

  the whole time reading is hungover [TS]

  philosoraptor old lady but you give a [TS]

  better name and that's their name [TS]

  yeah and she's very prickly like she's [TS]

  got a lot of emotional armor she uses [TS]

  her intellect to I'm put people on the [TS]

  defensive so that she doesn't feel [TS]

  defensive you find out that they're [TS]

  actually members of the pride who don't [TS]

  like her [TS]

  oh yeah they have like Hershey's their [TS]

  leashes be expendable one [TS]

  yeah yeah she's their least favorite [TS]

  child out of the whole bunch so but in [TS]

  many ways she is kind of because she is [TS]

  so vulnerable emotionally in so many [TS]

  ways and because she uses her formidable [TS]

  intellect to as a protective mechanism [TS]

  it's good that you had they have a [TS]

  distrustful brain in the operation to [TS]

  because alex is a little bit too [TS]

  emotionally removed from everything in [TS]

  into high on being the strategist and [TS]

  chasing Carolyn are very emotional so [TS]

  having dirt to to bring things helmet [TS]

  with a cynical quip about human nature [TS]

  is I mean this is like another great [TS]

  thing about Runaways it points out how [TS]

  these six kids are such complementary [TS]

  personalities like they can squabble but [TS]

  they still all bring something to the [TS]

  table that everybody else needs it's [TS]

  it's a beautiful ensemble origin story [TS]

  that way so yeah she's one of my [TS]

  favorites in in the series and we have [TS]

  two more we have Nico manorial also [TS]

  known as a sister grim the witch [TS]

  yes she's a witch she has to cut herself [TS]

  for her staff to come out and she's the [TS]

  guy [TS]

  off so the gods and the cuttings hold it [TS]

  says little yeah that one that got to me [TS]

  a little they make a direct reference to [TS]

  it and that is still a little [TS]

  uncomfortable i agree it's yeah she will [TS]

  make direct reference to her when she [TS]

  says she stopped and she's she's had to [TS]

  figure out other ways [TS]

  well right doesn't she not cut herself [TS]

  and and it's revealed the plot twist is [TS]

  that she's got her period so she doesn't [TS]

  have to cut herself foods are we it's a [TS]

  weird whole little segment there [TS]

  yeah that she basically the story is [TS]

  that from one year to the next she's [TS]

  gone from being a slightly nerdy [TS]

  withdrawn kids to being a goth and [TS]

  therefore friendly cool and intimidating [TS]

  and both Carlina and alex properly [TS]

  develop crushes on her and the thing [TS]

  I've always liked about her magic is [TS]

  like what she uses the spell she can't [TS]

  use it again [TS]

  I thought that was a cool i mean that [TS]

  was a really interesting take on the [TS]

  idea of like how do you not make magic [TS]

  all-powerful right and let you you put [TS]

  in limits which I really love ya and in [TS]

  a reason i thought that was like a [TS]

  really imaginative limit as opposed to [TS]

  like I can only cast five spells a day [TS]

  or i can only cast the spell every 20 [TS]

  minutes like the idea that you can only [TS]

  cast a new spell ever is AI mean that I [TS]

  don't I thought that was pretty cool [TS]

  well forces you to think through your [TS]

  magic which is always been my big [TS]

  objection to magic and comic books is is [TS]

  people who just kind of randomly like [TS]

  wave their arms out there sparkles in [TS]

  the panel and then poof everyone's of a [TS]

  rabbit or whatever and there's not a [TS]

  whole lot of well this is the effect or [TS]

  when you push this directions is what [TS]

  happens or or strategy and if i may [TS]

  reference harry potter for a moment one [TS]

  of the first things that hermione the [TS]

  which points and harry potter is always [TS]

  you're smart but they're not practical [TS]

  or not strategic and that's how you beat [TS]

  up mr. strategy and what I liked about [TS]

  the magic in here is that Nico has [TS]

  learned how to use it strategically and [TS]

  in thinking through and it's just such [TS]

  an elegant twist on on what could only [TS]

  be 0 and now I went through the ether [TS]

  with dr. strange and we talk about [TS]

  things so I like that a lot [TS]

  it was very it's smart the same way and [TS]

  we get to our last character who's Molly [TS]

  who have discussed already who's the [TS]

  eleven-year-old girl daughter of mutants [TS]

  also meet with super strength yourself [TS]

  and i love the fact [TS]

  that her invulnerability and her super [TS]

  strength take a lot out of her and she [TS]

  passes out and they literally can't wake [TS]

  her up so if they use Molly in a fight [TS]

  somebody then is tasked with carrying [TS]

  around a heavy eleven-year-old girl from [TS]

  place to place while she sleeps and I [TS]

  thought that work well as kind of a [TS]

  mechanical so is that like I feel like [TS]

  molly is a character really kind of ties [TS]

  them together as like a family right yes [TS]

  because you because they are teenagers [TS]

  and they kind of squabble and it kind of [TS]

  feels like if they didn't have Molly [TS]

  there that they have to like protect the [TS]

  lookout for like maybe they could have [TS]

  just all split up and go on their own [TS]

  ways but it's like yeah Molly's there [TS]

  and like as a group they are [TS]

  collectively responsible for her you [TS]

  know and and so that an important part [TS]

  of kind of tying them together as they [TS]

  then build on that right that's very [TS]

  regular being responsible and being [TS]

  parents because their parents their [TS]

  growing up really fast yeah exactly [TS]

  what's interesting is about the same [TS]

  time in the ultimate's universe when [TS]

  they introduced Wolverine to the [TS]

  ultimate's universe [TS]

  he's a he's a turncoat there's a lot of [TS]

  plot competition the LA but you can tell [TS]

  that he's become part of the group when [TS]

  he goes into a fight and he screams it [TS]

  somebody cover kitties eyes she can't [TS]

  see this and he makes everybody else [TS]

  helped him take responsibility for [TS]

  making sure that she doesn't watch a [TS]

  whole lot of carnage and so the way they [TS]

  watched out for Molly here you know [TS]

  reminded me of that tail again from [TS]

  issue one they are protecting Molly and [TS]

  I was going to mention earlier I i [TS]

  assume everybody unless perhaps your [TS]

  parents didn't have friends but my [TS]

  parents had friends and you inevitably [TS]

  get put together with their friends kids [TS]

  who are you're not your friends but [TS]

  they're your age and I you know we have [TS]

  some friends where with kids the same [TS]

  age as mine then we go over to their [TS]

  house now and it's like I'm doing it to [TS]

  them now but you know it's good to have [TS]

  that be the root of this at the [TS]

  beginning is also funny because these [TS]

  are these are contemporaries who know [TS]

  each other but they're not friends [TS]

  they're not friends when they're put in [TS]

  this situation and I I kind of love that [TS]

  aspect of it to that you know imagine [TS]

  that you know that you end up on the run [TS]

  not with your best friend from high [TS]

  school but that you know the girl whose [TS]

  parents were buddies with your parents [TS]

  and you know that you would have to get [TS]

  dragged over to their house and now you [TS]

  guys are on the run it's like that's not [TS]

  as [TS]

  as fun a story and I love that about [TS]

  this and they have strong opinions about [TS]

  your parents because they have known [TS]

  them for 10 years said that yeah yeah [TS]

  there's I i love that extra layer of [TS]

  awkwardness that goes in there it's just [TS]

  smart [TS]

  it's to such a smart book on so many [TS]

  levels like from sending of origin [TS]

  stories to exploring family dynamics to [TS]

  coming-of-age to putting reasonable [TS]

  limits on what these kids can and can't [TS]

  do [TS]

  it's no wonder that when I'm in deep [TS]

  into the second volume of this series [TS]

  when bryan cave on left that the first [TS]

  writer who was brought on what Joss [TS]

  Whedon because it and you know his [TS]

  issues aren't great and you know it may [TS]

  be at the end we can talk a little bit [TS]

  about sort of what has happened to the [TS]

  runaways since the the bryan cave on [TS]

  left but I this is playing all the same [TS]

  notes that Joss Whedon played with Buffy [TS]

  especially which is obviously a show [TS]

  near and dear to my heart but it's the [TS]

  same kind of kind of bits and I had [TS]

  that's one of the reasons why why I [TS]

  really enjoyed it now we should talk [TS]

  about the big twist that happens in the [TS]

  story is everything was going so we're [TS]

  gonna fire up the spoiler horn here you [TS]

  should really have already read all of [TS]

  this but if there is one big twist if [TS]

  you haven't read through to you know the [TS]

  last few issues of this volume I [TS]

  recommend that you do so it's also one [TS]

  Marvel unlimited if you've got that you [TS]

  can just go read them there or you can [TS]

  buy that volume that I talked about [TS]

  earlier [TS]

  we're gonna fire off spoiler for the big [TS]

  twist [TS]

  ok so I there's that there's a a [TS]

  turncoat in the runaways who has left an [TS]

  anonymous notes that nobody can [TS]

  recognize the handwriting which is kind [TS]

  of funny and all the kids you know [TS]

  whatever they better already [TS]

  they're always the same saying that [TS]

  they're loyal to their parents and and [TS]

  they are are not going to go along with [TS]

  the gang and it's revealed near the very [TS]

  end that it's the first character we [TS]

  meet Alex Wilder who is who believes his [TS]

  parents are because he he saw them [TS]

  earlier he sought to me earlier and and [TS]

  figured it all out and thought that they [TS]

  were heroes for trying to because the [TS]

  way the the jibber him have put it and [TS]

  of the pride put it is they're saving [TS]

  the world they're saving the world by [TS]

  killing all the people but they're [TS]

  saving the world will be much better [TS]

  when they're gone he learns about the [TS]

  plan of a couple of the other sets of [TS]

  parents to to kill everybody else off [TS]

  the eighth the aliens and the mutants [TS]

  decide well we're going to betray [TS]

  everybody and kill everybody off and we [TS]

  and our daughters will claim those six [TS]

  spots for immortality and Alex manages [TS]

  to learn of this plot and one of his [TS]

  goals is to save his parents and [TS]

  eventually he decides Nico and her [TS]

  family should get the others other spots [TS]

  so that's also part of it not just that [TS]

  he stumbled across it but he you know he [TS]

  is trying to save his parents just as [TS]

  they are trying to set it up so that [TS]

  their kids live forever i'm going to be [TS]

  the naysayer I don't like this twist i [TS]

  also because I've seen it done in other [TS]

  places and I really it just frustrates [TS]

  me whenever you're supposed to be [TS]

  brought into the confidence of someone [TS]

  and it's like oh that was all trick like [TS]

  it to me it doesn't necessarily hold [TS]

  water with the rest of the series it [TS]

  feels like something that was put into [TS]

  be surprising but without necessarily [TS]

  the ground wait in the early i disagree [TS]

  i totally disagree with that there are [TS]

  so many clues all the way through the [TS]

  story and alex says he's like look that [TS]

  mark of a great game master a dungeon [TS]

  master is to always make everybody else [TS]

  who's playing the games like they're in [TS]

  control but but players here when you [TS]

  rob the love that you don't matter black [TS]

  like that's a great way to end that [TS]

  campaign [TS]

  no personal so Shannon Shannon what are [TS]

  the clues [TS]

  there's like five or six instances where [TS]

  Alex mainly when he's talking to Nico [TS]

  where he's about to tell her something [TS]

  and they get interrupted and this is [TS]

  part of one going to think the things to [TS]

  add to lisa's list from earlier that [TS]

  Brian Vaughn is so good at is the bait [TS]

  and switch on and in this case you [TS]

  assume alex is going to say to Nico that [TS]

  he likes her or he loves her or he's [TS]

  attracted to her and no apparently he [TS]

  was going to tell her you know look I'm [TS]

  working with my parents I want to save [TS]

  you and me [TS]

  there's like two or three instances [TS]

  where that happens on so i think it is [TS]

  hinted at maybe you know not a [TS]

  super-strong way on the first reading I [TS]

  think it's hinted there i guess i guess [TS]

  I'm kind of on the dance I'd where I [TS]

  just I was a little disappointed by it [TS]

  and I mean because I mean we knew there [TS]

  was the scenes where we there [TS]

  the parents are reading the notes and so [TS]

  we know this is the thing and like you [TS]

  know as we're getting closer and closer [TS]

  to the end of the book i'm like well [TS]

  they haven't figured this out yet and [TS]

  I'm like I'm going through the six [TS]

  characters in my head trying to figure [TS]

  out who they are its like none of them [TS]

  right makes sense to me and I get you [TS]

  know it fits together that they have [TS]

  explained the Alex but i guess i don't [TS]

  like the explanation like literally I [TS]

  was thinking like what if it's the [TS]

  Raptor that would be really cool with [TS]

  the restaurant back but i would not [TS]

  actually be cool that would be dumb but [TS]

  I would like to see the Raptor sipping a [TS]

  comment explaining his plan but i guess [TS]

  i was i was there was not a letter that [TS]

  dress and I haven't got a little [TS]

  disappointed by so we're possibly a [TS]

  raptor sipping tea so over it and like [TS]

  it with a priest of directors the [TS]

  British accent too because that would be [TS]

  the best of course enjoy your book of [TS]

  plan has been when he's got the one of [TS]

  his three claws out pinky style you know [TS]

  exactly yes it's the Raptors like it's [TS]

  basically Gorilla Grodd accepted reptile [TS]

  for air and I guess that it's not it's [TS]

  less the fact that it's not hinted at [TS]

  cuz you know Shannon's got a point that [TS]

  there are there are sort of allusions to [TS]

  it but the fact that it doesn't really [TS]

  make sense to me because it's you know [TS]

  and I understand the idea that he's [TS]

  supposed to be a strategist and and what [TS]

  have you but it seems incredibly [TS]

  conflict to be okay so what I'm gonna [TS]

  I'm gonna go with dan and Tony here [TS]

  um I enjoyed the first time I read it I [TS]

  enjoyed the twist because I didn't see [TS]

  it coming and it was a really [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  twist this time knowing that Alex [TS]

  betrays them and reading through it i [TS]

  was looking for signs of his betrayal [TS]

  and reasons why it makes sense and i [TS]

  gotta say yeah there are some moments [TS]

  where he's going to reveal something but [TS]

  I look at his overall behavior in the [TS]

  first six issues let's say and I just [TS]

  don't buy it I just don't buy it that he [TS]

  that he was that it was all part of a [TS]

  plot and he was secretly supporting his [TS]

  parents all along it just doesn't that [TS]

  just doesn't make sense to me i found [TS]

  that final fight with everybody hey I [TS]

  thought that was a little unwieldy and I [TS]

  guess I I was not as excited about the [TS]

  parents characters because there were so [TS]

  many of them and i don't know i mean [TS]

  yeah they're not they're not very [TS]

  flushed out some other more fleshed-out [TS]

  than others but like I guess I found [TS]

  them kind of annoying because there were [TS]

  so many of because there's literally [TS]

  there's 12 of them right yeah yeah even [TS]

  harder to keep stirring they're wearing [TS]

  costumes it's easier and then but then I [TS]

  found that confusing because then [TS]

  sometimes they're not wearing costumes [TS]

  and even like trying to figure out who's [TS]

  who here and then then there's some of [TS]

  them have a conspiracy against the [TS]

  others like I didn't but I guess the [TS]

  lead-up then there's this big fight [TS]

  because it's a comic book so it's gonna [TS]

  be a big fight but even that felt kind [TS]

  of unwieldy and hard to know what was [TS]

  going on it's like was really that part [TS]

  of the plan I I don't know it didn't [TS]

  feel super master mighty so i was i was [TS]

  a little disappointed by the way I get [TS]

  the feeling that it's all supposed to go [TS]

  pear-shaped because first um youyou have [TS]

  the mutant pair and the alien pair of [TS]

  planning on killing everybody else and [TS]

  rice or any mixture pairs there and [TS]

  suddenly I was imagining a mutant like [TS]

  piece of fruit [TS]

  how young is in giant like eight foot [TS]

  parents rolling down the street [TS]

  demanding chocolate to be different it [TS]

  now but a little later but suddenly [TS]

  integrals both pear shape but suddenly [TS]

  they're there are some ways as well [TS]

  there's there's a saying and some of [TS]

  those are children oh I was about to [TS]

  call problems like no you idiot our [TS]

  children are right there and the kids [TS]

  come in so there goes the assassination [TS]

  plot and while those four people are [TS]

  scrambling to recover the kids like your [TS]

  evil mama today we're going to fight you [TS]

  and then Alex turns on them and the [TS]

  gibberish show up analysis goes I'm [TS]

  gonna be a man and claimed [TS]

  responsibility and the gym you okay fine [TS]

  they set him on fire and kill him which [TS]

  the first read that i was like oh my god [TS]

  they killed a child in the comics Wow [TS]

  mom [TS]

  so they set the house on fire they kill [TS]

  him [TS]

  and that's when like Alex's parents [TS]

  snapping like okay right fine you know [TS]

  we all have to kill the gym now because [TS]

  this is everything we've worked for is [TS]

  now dust and ashes and the parents push [TS]

  the kids out its chaos it's madness and [TS]

  and then there's you know just it's it's [TS]

  everybody's plans go to help the same [TS]

  time the thing that's confusing is you [TS]

  had three different sets of plans going [TS]

  on and Molly has molly has custody of [TS]

  this poor kids soul for a while and you [TS]

  know and the editor and what's really [TS]

  funny smileys phones container with a [TS]

  soul that they're going to feed these [TS]

  awful moral beings just like Molly [TS]

  that's a very special heritage please [TS]

  put it right and the way to talk down to [TS]

  her and try to downplay exactly how [TS]

  awful it fit if you know which is really [TS]

  abusive it as well [TS]

  yeah I don't agree with the guys that um [TS]

  certainly you know that Alex turning out [TS]

  to be the turncoat arm it's not you [TS]

  don't have to like it [TS]

  I mean you know I actually when i was [TS]

  reading these over the weekend I brought [TS]

  them with me on a mini vacation and my [TS]

  son my thirteen-year-old had never read [TS]

  them before and he started reading them [TS]

  and he came to me after he finished the [TS]

  first one he's just like mom why did it [TS]

  have to be because if my son he games he [TS]

  identified without looks very strongly [TS]

  and so he was very very hurt a bit that [TS]

  it turned out to be that Alex was the [TS]

  one who betrayed the rest of them he [TS]

  didn't like that you know whether you [TS]

  know how well you think it was written [TS]

  or how much since you made it thought [TS]

  its don't have an emotional impact you [TS]

  know whether you you agreed with it or [TS]

  you disagreed with that you disliked it [TS]

  on the impact is there and there's a [TS]

  sort of success to that you get invested [TS]

  enough in those characters that you're [TS]

  upset when one of them does something [TS]

  that you feel like is a betrayal and you [TS]

  know i think that there's something to [TS]

  that but at the same time it feels it [TS]

  felt unsatisfying to me I mean I thought [TS]

  he is a hero right and he is part of [TS]

  this family and you know you can explain [TS]

  that because he's the cold calculating [TS]

  mastermind and you could say that all of [TS]

  his relationship with his family were [TS]

  kind of intended to you know that [TS]

  advances plan but still it's like I [TS]

  don't know it feels a little at odds [TS]

  with [TS]

  when I feel like I'm supposed to take [TS]

  away from the book about these teenagers [TS]

  in this family they create together in [TS]

  the meeting they have among each other [TS]

  because because one of the participants [TS]

  some participants and that was basically [TS]

  using them i think that's also another [TS]

  metaphor for high school though because [TS]

  this entire book is basically that's too [TS]

  dark [TS]

  that's two paths you're right now right [TS]

  but very true so much of this book is [TS]

  about the psychological obstacles that [TS]

  you face when you're moving from early [TS]

  adolescence to early adulthood and I try [TS]

  to think about this whole thing is as [TS]

  you say I can't be the only one here who [TS]

  had who during the course of her high [TS]

  school years maybe unpleasant discovery [TS]

  that your friends at a friends so-called [TS]

  loyalty was like that your friends are [TS]

  capable deceiving you and and declare [TS]

  loyalty to themselves and and and kick [TS]

  the chair out from you at the worst [TS]

  possible moment like that's a teenage [TS]

  experience as a lot more Universal than [TS]

  on universal and so usually I a friend [TS]

  are all friends now is I'm fine i [TS]

  deliberately keeping the number vague [TS]

  haha I'm but you know I'm thinking of a [TS]

  friend in particular I thought you know [TS]

  the big betrayal or rather be perceived [TS]

  betrayal of one friend by another or the [TS]

  unpleasant discovery that you and a [TS]

  friend are nowhere near on the same page [TS]

  on something that was very important to [TS]

  you like that's a huge part of high [TS]

  school for people the idea that you [TS]

  can't trust your friends unconditionally [TS]

  is something that you do learn and I [TS]

  think that Alex was a way to to connect [TS]

  to that message to or to you know hit an [TS]

  emotional know that a lot of kids that [TS]

  age who might have been reading the book [TS]

  work were like oh yeah I can I can't [TS]

  identify with this so I've brought down [TS]

  the house now everyone's not so don't [TS]

  don't don't find somebody who's robbing [TS]

  a mini-mart and put them on your team [TS]

  now yeah not really when they're like [TS]

  dropping Beatles references and and the [TS]

  a-team and their way before your time to [TS]

  wait am i a vampire that that's done [TS]

  bryan cave on playing with us and [TS]

  thinking oh well that writer doesn't [TS]

  have his pop culture references right [TS]

  accepted it is actually intending for it [TS]

  to be that way [TS]

  but it's a bait-and-switch yeah but [TS]

  that's where that's where you get the [TS]

  Apple the the joss whedon reference is [TS]

  made in X to that point because so so [TS]

  unfair how talented he is [TS]

  oh yeah I give on yeah yeah yeahs and [TS]

  well I made the beauty of and you could [TS]

  see it coming of of the solution to the [TS]

  vampire guy is that Carolina lets him [TS]

  bite her and since she's all glowy here [TS]

  her blood is presumably super glowy or [TS]

  sunlight solar power charger yeah yeah [TS]

  so that's that's that's how that works [TS]

  she's its liquid daylight man yeah yeah [TS]

  thank God for vampires they're like she [TS]

  said she wasn't sure it would work [TS]

  yeah you know what that's what another [TS]

  one of the great things about the kids [TS]

  superhero story right is that they're [TS]

  there [TS]

  this is all metaphorical but it's you [TS]

  know they're learning who they are and [TS]

  what they can do and that could be for [TS]

  as an adventure story that's a lot of [TS]

  fun to have them not really know what [TS]

  the thing is gonna be like chases thing [TS]

  we think is going to be flame gloves but [TS]

  in the end it's more that he's the [TS]

  driver and that has as the story moves [TS]

  along he has some other things happen [TS]

  that we won't get into here yet my mom [TS]

  but I you know that that's kind of an [TS]

  interesting evolution that they're all [TS]

  figuring out sort of what their what [TS]

  their roles are so before we talk about [TS]

  where this where where they go from here [TS]

  I wanted to ask all of you [TS]

  overall the this 18 issues storyline [TS]

  that we've got your volume 1 you know [TS]

  we've obviously got some quibbles about [TS]

  some of it but overall thoughts about [TS]

  you know what was good what was good [TS]

  about it you like it overall Tony let's [TS]

  start with you [TS]

  um it was okay i mean it's a little so I [TS]

  ready for the first time in preparation [TS]

  for this podcast and I think it was a [TS]

  little hard for me to its to read [TS]

  something by an author that you really [TS]

  like and then go backward so because [TS]

  i've read my last manager and ex machina [TS]

  I've read saga and I feel like this is [TS]

  not on the same level as all those [TS]

  because he did it earlier and he was [TS]

  still figuring things out so I like all [TS]

  those a lot more than this so i feel [TS]

  like this was okay but it sometimes it's [TS]

  hard to go backward and I have this [TS]

  problem a lot when I find something and [TS]

  I [TS]

  I really like it and I want to go out [TS]

  and read all the other stuff but by the [TS]

  by that person and as you work backward [TS]

  sometimes you find yourself you know [TS]

  going back to when things were rougher I [TS]

  always remember after i finished [TS]

  watching the wire and I probably three [TS]

  watch the wire couple times and then I [TS]

  went and watched like a lot of seasons [TS]

  of homicide and everyone is good show [TS]

  but it's not the wire and then I went [TS]

  and started reading like all the novels [TS]

  by the books on all the novels by some [TS]

  of the writers for the wire and some of [TS]

  those are good but as you go backward [TS]

  there's you know they get less good up [TS]

  so that it's hard to work backward in a [TS]

  in a in a catalog right so so I enjoyed [TS]

  it but probably I mean I think I would [TS]

  feel a lot more positive about it i [TS]

  don't think i was going as some other [TS]

  folks if I you know traveled back in [TS]

  time and right at 10 years ago I [TS]

  probably would have been more I will [TS]

  also say I just like right before [TS]

  reading that i read the new ms marvel [TS]

  and that plays with a lot of similar [TS]

  themes two Runaways in ways that i found [TS]

  a lot more exciting and kind of gripping [TS]

  so maybe that was the wrong you know [TS]

  sequence of things to consume i really [TS]

  like Miss Marple having just read that [TS]

  last week it's not it's uh this is I [TS]

  mean I mentioned this earlier this is [TS]

  also a a kind of book that we don't [TS]

  really see much up now we can do you the [TS]

  other breaking up on stuff you're [TS]

  mentioning is all keno creator-owned [TS]

  material and this is neither [TS]

  creator-owned material nor a creator [TS]

  being brought onto a classic character [TS]

  and doing a run where they got [TS]

  interesting stories to tell [TS]

  this is this weird thing where it bryan [TS]

  cave on created these characters for [TS]

  Marvel and so it's you know it [TS]

  that does make it different and a little [TS]

  bit weird so you know there's been I [TS]

  read a bunch of comics that were kind of [TS]

  about teenagers that were probably [TS]

  geared it for an audience younger they [TS]

  make recently because i just read the [TS]

  new Batgirl and then i read miss marvel [TS]

  and then i read this and I don't know [TS]

  for some reason the depictions of you [TS]

  know youth are a little bit stronger i [TS]

  think those in those other ones but i [TS]

  don't know maybe I'm just old now [TS]

  yes the aging everyday thats make the [TS]

  old man Tony and wear your wear your [TS]

  overall thoughts well I mean like Tony I [TS]

  had read my last man I'd part of x mark [TS]

  and I don't think I finished it actually [TS]

  just read a miniseries by [TS]

  keyvan dating a doctor strange [TS]

  miniseries that he did that was pretty [TS]

  good the oath I yeah I i feel like i can [TS]

  kind of modeling on it like I i got [TS]

  wrapped up in it but in some ways it's [TS]

  always tricky for me when a when I feel [TS]

  like a story doesn't necessarily stick [TS]

  its ending i think in another podcast [TS]

  that we did many years ago i mentioned i [TS]

  had this problem with the british [TS]

  miniseries state of play which is that I [TS]

  love me like first five episodes i hate [TS]

  the ending and and part of that is that [TS]

  I just you know it sometimes you just [TS]

  sort of left without sour taste in your [TS]

  mouth of like man he had that was not [TS]

  how I saw this going and and you know [TS]

  that you know that's a that's a personal [TS]

  taste thing more than a a you know [TS]

  objective assessment thing where it's [TS]

  just like it's hard sometimes when you [TS]

  get to the end of a book and you're like [TS]

  me i didn't like the ending to look back [TS]

  at the rest of it and look back at all [TS]

  the things it does well and I think [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff that runaway does [TS]

  well i think that the the comparisons [TS]

  were drawing with high school and [TS]

  teenage existence is really kind of spot [TS]

  on I think Brian given is an excellent [TS]

  writer i really love saga which i've [TS]

  been reading pretty regularly [TS]

  I everything everything that I've read [TS]

  by him I've enjoyed in some capacity or [TS]

  not and i enjoy the marvel universe as a [TS]

  whole and so this one I thought was a [TS]

  great premise is a great setup the [TS]

  execution of it is like pretty spot-on [TS]

  for a lot of it and then I just I just [TS]

  feel like it takes it takes a takes the [TS]

  wrong turn at albuquerque somewhere and [TS]

  just sort of frustrates me so I i came [TS]

  down very meddling on it [TS]

  I don't know if I would necessarily go [TS]

  on read further volumes there are so [TS]

  many comics to read especially when [TS]

  you've got marvel in the hood so it's [TS]

  hard to sort of devote time to things [TS]

  like that was that was ok that's fine [TS]

  but you know I i feel very badly on it I [TS]

  think Dan's point about the ending [TS]

  really rings with me where I feel a [TS]

  little jilted by and you know I think I [TS]

  was actually feeling more down on it [TS]

  until we started a podcast and in a very [TS]

  reminding me of things and it's like [TS]

  yeah those were things i like that I [TS]

  kind of got pushed aside by my my [TS]

  feelings about the ending so it's good [TS]

  to be reminded us because there is a lot [TS]

  of good stuff in here that I think I you [TS]

  know that and I i finished it recently [TS]

  so maybe you'll feel differently with [TS]

  some distance from it but the ending you [TS]

  know wasn't exactly what I was looking [TS]

  for [TS]

  we will you spend a lot of time ago as [TS]

  much time with vampires in a convenience [TS]

  store or vampires you know elsewhere as [TS]

  we do with the ultimate climax [TS]

  the entire 18 issues and a little [TS]

  wandering there i mean you know it when [TS]

  some ways you have to fill a certain [TS]

  number of books in an arc right I'm sure [TS]

  and so that makes a good it's a good [TS]

  moment plot-wise for the to sort of [TS]

  bring them together because you have [TS]

  that moment where it's like well are [TS]

  they all gonna get divided up in their [TS]

  petty disputes are going to get the [TS]

  better of them and it's like now they [TS]

  come together as a family and a team and [TS]

  able to overcome that that you know that [TS]

  obstacle but at the same time it just [TS]

  does this is a little meandering going [TS]

  on there that I don't mind really [TS]

  entering my mind that meandering [TS]

  followed by a right what feels like a [TS]

  rushed and climax and that that's sort [TS]

  of how I I i will agree with you there I [TS]

  ID doesn't bother me as much but they're [TS]

  the moment where alex gets disintegrated [TS]

  is like this half-page panel and then [TS]

  they kind of move on with the story and [TS]

  i'm sitting here thinking on one level [TS]

  that's trying to be fast paced on [TS]

  another level [TS]

  that's kind of a huge thing that just [TS]

  happened and it's given no room for it's [TS]

  just it's you know if you're not paying [TS]

  to close attention you just missed the [TS]

  major plot point in the entire thing you [TS]

  know [TS]

  bye-bye just flipping a little too soon [TS]

  i have that problem where it's like [TS]

  there's not that much space left in this [TS]

  book is I'm getting how on earth are [TS]

  they gonna wrap all this way up in a way [TS]

  that will feel satisfied and have a coda [TS]

  right because the f issue is it which I [TS]

  like yeah is very nice [TS]

  Kota over it in you know it's revealed [TS]

  the title revealed on the last page that [TS]

  it's 18 this is not just issue 18 but [TS]

  it's about them coming of age really [TS]

  nice but set su 17 is really rushed i [TS]

  think i agree with ya Shannon what are [TS]

  your thoughts about Runaways as a whole [TS]

  haha as a whole arm and about the ending [TS]

  please throw that in there okay well [TS]

  about the ending first then a bit on i [TS]

  agree that the ending was a bit rushed [TS]

  that the pacing was off their arm I [TS]

  wouldn't throw out the vampire story [TS]

  line i think that was an important small [TS]

  step in where are they had to learn not [TS]

  only can they not trust most of the [TS]

  adults they can't always trust the other [TS]

  kids you know because that their idea [TS]

  was they were going to welcome this poor [TS]

  kid because he fed them the story that [TS]

  my parents made me do this on and they [TS]

  were all ready to add somebody else to [TS]

  their group [TS]

  Ben welcome them in and then they [TS]

  discover he's not who he says so that [TS]

  was an important sort of step in their [TS]

  learning process but again it does i [TS]

  think push events towards the end [TS]

  whether it's that particular part of the [TS]

  story or the parents and all of their [TS]

  plotting that pushes it to the point [TS]

  where Alex's sacrifices for his death [TS]

  doesn't get the impact that deserves but [TS]

  overall I enjoy this book I think that [TS]

  these 18 issues set up a really overall [TS]

  satisfying story as a whole part of it [TS]

  being because I'm a character person if [TS]

  I've got interesting characters that are [TS]

  interacting with each other in [TS]

  interesting ways i'll forgive quite a [TS]

  bit in the way of plot for that so I was [TS]

  having this exact conversation with [TS]

  somebody about the Netflix series [TS]

  sensate I'm like a fourth of the way [TS]

  through that right now and other ppl [TS]

  watching her like I was it ever going to [TS]

  start is it ever going to start in like [TS]

  what are you talking about it's terrific [TS]

  because of all these people interacting [TS]

  and that's one of the things for [TS]

  Runaways that really sings for me that [TS]

  we've got these six different kids on [TS]

  each of them with different [TS]

  personalities different likes different [TS]

  dislikes and circumstances force them [TS]

  into this situation and they've got to [TS]

  deal with each other and that's uh [TS]

  that's one of the things I love about [TS]

  the book as well as vons attention to [TS]

  detail [TS]

  I'm so many little things fit together [TS]

  very well [TS]

  hints that he drops the bait-and-switch [TS]

  that he does we spent the whole first [TS]

  issue with Molly or the first couple of [TS]

  issues of Molly trying to tell her [TS]

  parents are trying to tell the older [TS]

  girls my body's doing strange things and [TS]

  of course we think it's because she's [TS]

  about to have her first period and no [TS]

  humor mutant side is about to come out [TS]

  you know brilliant little things like [TS]

  that seemed to me and and really work [TS]

  for me [TS]

  so overall I enjoyed this book like I [TS]

  said I wanted sharing it with my son he [TS]

  wound up devouring the entire run that [TS]

  we have in the last three or four days [TS]

  and like I said you know a character [TS]

  death and and things like that aside he [TS]

  really enjoyed them and very nice Lisa [TS]

  what he would give me a summary of your [TS]

  feelings about runaway [TS]

  and forwards was no yeah it's are trying [TS]

  just what I'm saying that my brain is [TS]

  just see stuff like it's an essay [TS]

  question and there are many ways in [TS]

  which i love i will like it out [TS]

  Webster's defines runaway nice tony dize [TS]

  I first want to say I really appreciated [TS]

  hearing um dann Antonis perspectives on [TS]

  it mostly because i am trying to sift [TS]

  through now how much of my great joy and [TS]

  revisiting this series is me hopping [TS]

  through the the wormhole and sliding [TS]

  back to 2003-2004 when I was buying this [TS]

  month by month and how much of it is in [TS]

  a pretty me being able to appreciate it [TS]

  now you know independent of of whatever [TS]

  happy personal context i have so I'm [TS]

  still trying to sift through that that's [TS]

  that I still I'm like I guess everyone [TS]

  else I didn't really have a problem with [TS]

  either the big reveal that Alex is the [TS]

  mastermind or the the incredibly chaos [TS]

  mastermind or the the incredibly chaos [TS]

  I can rush ending um just because both [TS]

  of those felt kind of organic to me [TS]

  I you know that there's that saying that [TS]

  war is either an excruciating boredom [TS]

  punctuated by moments of sheer terror [TS]

  and so I felt like the rush to ending [TS]

  where everybody's plans go to hell at [TS]

  exactly the same time like that that [TS]

  absolutely made sense where you know it [TS]

  just goes to show you can prep and you [TS]

  can plan and you can carefully scheme [TS]

  and then someone throws a monkey wrench [TS]

  into it I was um I really think the [TS]

  series works wonderfully as a metaphor [TS]

  for adolescence and what I liked about [TS]

  it is that von doesn't make the evil [TS]

  villains like a hundred percent evil [TS]

  whether off kicking puppies in their [TS]

  spare time and they've been feigning you [TS]

  know good parenting like that he points [TS]

  out that these characters are incredibly [TS]

  complex than that people who do [TS]

  objectively terrible things can do them [TS]

  for reasons that they think are good [TS]

  reasons or that people can change their [TS]

  motivations overtime and I like to [TS]

  introduce that complexity because again [TS]

  that something else that you grapple [TS]

  with through adolescence where you have [TS]

  to come to the realization that very few [TS]

  people are a hundred percent good or a [TS]

  hundred percent bad everybody has the [TS]

  right thing for the wrong reason to the [TS]

  wrong thing for the right reason we all [TS]

  have to learn mistakes blah blah and so [TS]

  I just I'm of the opinion that you could [TS]

  kind of had this serious almost any 13 [TS]

  or 14 or kid and go here and leave him [TS]

  alone with it and it will it will be [TS]

  something that they quietly returned to [TS]

  the next two or three years they're busy [TS]

  you know making their way through the [TS]

  world that's that I do have a tremendous [TS]

  amount of nostalgia for and i think [TS]

  that's that's coloring a lot of my [TS]

  perspective too because I enjoyed going [TS]

  to the comic book store and picking it [TS]

  up as I went along and and i enjoyed I i [TS]

  had the experience of having everything [TS]

  play out in real time and I think that [TS]

  add that added a layer to it i mean [TS]

  maybe this is a subject for another [TS]

  podcast but I think there's a difference [TS]

  between when you binge on an entire [TS]

  comic book series run which is kind of [TS]

  how to read everything now versus when [TS]

  you are you know serializing the story [TS]

  and you have a chance let marinate in [TS]

  the back of your head and you get [TS]

  invested you think about it and and [TS]

  you're bringing other stuff into it and [TS]

  that's actually something I was going to [TS]

  ask um I think at least are you the only [TS]

  one who was able to read it month to [TS]

  month because chip and I picked it up [TS]

  when the first collection came out so we [TS]

  were getting the collections so we were [TS]

  getting like 18 episodes 18 stories at a [TS]

  time but still we were reading it back [TS]

  then and not you know very recently [TS]

  pretty much from 2000-2010 I could be [TS]

  found in a comic book store every [TS]

  wednesday or every tuesday night after i [TS]

  got to be after got to be good friends [TS]

  at the comic book store owners so what [TS]

  yeah well I'm I've bought lots of comics [TS]

  that way as well but I think that maybe [TS]

  one of the reasons that like you know [TS]

  Jason how about you do I rich i read [TS]

  actually I went back and read them [TS]

  because of my read the story about how [TS]

  joss whedon was gonna be on Runaways and [TS]

  oh my god was not the perfect fit [TS]

  because it was a show series you know [TS]

  that was very much tied into the same [TS]

  kind of themes that he covered on Buffy [TS]

  and I thought I've never even heard of [TS]

  this and so that's when I read it and I [TS]

  Oh irony that you know it the the stuff [TS]

  that came before Joss Whedon's run was [TS]

  better so yeah you know yeah but if we [TS]

  don't talk about that but no no no its [TS]

  you know you do makeup gloves on bench [TS]

  dick [TS]

  there's a really great point though that [TS]

  I'm i think this is you know a component [TS]

  cable assembly and talented there but i [TS]

  do think that as he's I i think as he's [TS]

  matured is is like a person an artist [TS]

  like his stuff has gotten stronger and [TS]

  better and and before he was not [TS]

  coasting but before he he was there was [TS]

  just a lot of rock talent that he was [TS]

  learning how to harness and now he's got [TS]

  into the now he's gotten to a point [TS]

  where like you just watch them work and [TS]

  you're like oh my god to master at work [TS]

  on which is also kind of funny because [TS]

  my only complaint about why the last [TS]

  minute as I think the last few issues [TS]

  are rushed so how's the runaways problem [TS]

  all over again right [TS]

  ya know that that's my only complaint [TS]

  with the last man that I really like the [TS]

  last five issues of that are just kind [TS]

  of like what the what and that's kind of [TS]

  a letdown but passion problems [TS]

  yeah he's got some facing problems but [TS]

  you know it's so does J michael [TS]

  Straczynski so fifteens it's an epic [TS]

  which are they did you know they don't [TS]

  always have control right i mean yeah [TS]

  yeah in the chatroom our friend moisa [TS]

  suggesting that it may actually have [TS]

  been a there may have been an editorial [TS]

  mandate to wrap it up a nap or canceling [TS]

  it and yeah well they all the volume 2 [TS]

  1-2 days I think vol.2 started almost [TS]

  exactly like almost right [TS]

  after vol.1 let off it was it but it but [TS]

  it may have been one of those like we're [TS]

  going to a number one and starting again [TS]

  so wrap it up but ya know it's hard [TS]

  I mean like 100 bullets is one of my [TS]

  favorite comics of all time and it's so [TS]

  perfect and so detailed and then toward [TS]

  the end it's like you guys what happened [TS]

  guys [TS]

  hey before we go let's talk about if [TS]

  you're reading anything interesting for [TS]

  the world of comic books do more'n what [TS]

  are you reading [TS]

  so I just finished reading at least up [TS]

  to where marvel unlimited has it anyways [TS]

  the the most recent I think two runs on [TS]

  Captain Marvel which are the Kelly sue [TS]

  deconnick runs and they're fabulous [TS]

  they're fantastic they're really really [TS]

  good day I really got into them [TS]

  I really i had read nothing none of the [TS]

  old ms marvel you know pretty reboot [TS]

  things with her with carol danvers I I [TS]

  really didn't know much about the [TS]

  character and I totally dug it [TS]

  it's awesome not only because you have a [TS]

  you know a female character who is super [TS]

  kick ass and also you know about as far [TS]

  from me like a shrinking violet as you [TS]

  can get as far as characters go but also [TS]

  because like they do a really good job [TS]

  of making her story is compelling and [TS]

  bouncing between both stuff that happens [TS]

  on earth that's interesting and sort of [TS]

  the cosmic stories that she teams up [TS]

  with the guardians of the galaxy at one [TS]

  point and you know there's a lot of [TS]

  great supporting characters in here [TS]

  especially a lot of her supporting [TS]

  characters are also women which is [TS]

  fantastic and so and she's tectonics a [TS]

  really sharp writer see her stuff is [TS]

  great i love some of the interactions [TS]

  between Carol and her supporting [TS]

  characters especially kid who is her [TS]

  like like this this little girl [TS]

  essentially the cheese / friended whose [TS]

  is like her biggest fan and so I i [TS]

  really really dig that it shouldn't be [TS]

  surprising anyways that it does have at [TS]

  times a little bit of a Hawkeye vibe [TS]

  given that close to cumming is married [TS]

  to matt fraction but i really i thought [TS]

  it was great and I just I've got to the [TS]

  point where I'm like refreshing marvel [TS]

  unlimited all the time like a lot more [TS]

  issues a lot more issues than six months [TS]

  behind so I cannot recommend that highly [TS]

  enough I i I'm really bummed that the [TS]

  movie doesn't come out until I 2008 key [TS]

  Tony what are you reading [TS]

  well i just read the first two [TS]

  collections of the new ms marvel with [TS]

  Kamala Khan as Marvel we could really [TS]

  fun and really great about this you know [TS]

  teenage superhero in jersey city who [TS]

  takes on the identity of miss marvel and [TS]

  has these crazy shape-shifting powers [TS]

  and is trying to save her friends and [TS]

  she's inhuman I believe technically huh [TS]

  it was really fun i really liked it it [TS]

  felt just really fun and original and [TS]

  headed a new villain and you know have [TS]

  that mix of like we're gonna have some [TS]

  cameos from Marvel people you know to [TS]

  let you know that this is important but [TS]

  also some new stuff which is like when [TS]

  there's new stuff I also right before [TS]

  that i read the new background [TS]

  collection and that with the hipster [TS]

  Batgirl if you get this one but it kind [TS]

  of made me feel like there's all these [TS]

  hipster like references and it's like I [TS]

  can't tell if that's like an actual band [TS]

  or like parody of a band or just a fake [TS]

  reference and it's like I don't know [TS]

  it's kind of fun but it's also like I [TS]

  feel like this is unlike five to ten [TS]

  years too old to be reading this and i [TS]

  don't i don't know what unit to measure [TS]

  coolness in but I'm not cool enough to [TS]

  be read this comic book so i think but [TS]

  it's get scared for a cooler younger [TS]

  audience with me so maybe you are that [TS]

  audience that you should read it and [TS]

  then I've got next I'm not started it [TS]

  yet but a volume 2 of the wicked the [TS]

  divine and I really liked vol.1 so i'm [TS]

  i'm looking forward to that it's this [TS]

  the premise of it is basically every [TS]

  roughly every century like these God's [TS]

  rise and walk around Earth and take on [TS]

  the bodies of like teenagers and and in [TS]

  in the current setting there you know [TS]

  they basically all our kind of these [TS]

  rock star type personas that have cult [TS]

  of celebrity around them and then that [TS]

  time start happening on some of that [TS]

  it's really it feels like not get it [TS]

  takes me back to kind of like the heyday [TS]

  of vertigo comics with like you know [TS]

  there's angels and demons but guess what [TS]

  the angels are bad [TS]

  you know when that doesn't describe [TS]

  forty percent of vertigo comics I'll [TS]

  apologize but until then and I'm not a [TS]

  bad thing but that's what it was [TS]

  so Shannon what are you reading anything [TS]

  other than run with uh yeah i'm a very [TS]

  bad comics fan these days I've been [TS]

  swamped with my job and what little [TS]

  comics i get is chip thrusting his ipad [TS]

  at me and saying read this so you know [TS]

  I've seen you a little bit of Hawkeye a [TS]

  little bit of saga a little bit of the [TS]

  current Sandman um I'm hoping that I can [TS]

  sit down and actually catch up on some [TS]

  of the stuff that I've been missing you [TS]

  know if everybody just sort of tweets me [TS]

  suggestions and i'll start making a list [TS]

  of what I need to catch up on what I'm [TS]

  thinking about looking at next though is [TS]

  going back and reading the J michael [TS]

  Straczynski series from several years [TS]

  ago rising stars like i said i'm [TS]

  currently watching since eight and a lot [TS]

  of the vibe from that show i think is [TS]

  also in his rising stars and I remember [TS]

  enjoying that series very much the first [TS]

  time around but it's been a long time so [TS]

  I'm thinking about going back and [TS]

  reading that and you already know how it [TS]

  in so you can be displayed at second [TS]

  time so sorry that was a little shopping [TS]

  without the anyway I didn't think it was [TS]

  a disappointing you heard the history [TS]

  and I i did lisa misses I've talked [TS]

  about rising star I've got some kind of [TS]

  snake enjoy the Pacific that's I think [TS]

  that's happening today cast for [TS]

  different folks we so what are you what [TS]

  are you reading anything you want to [TS]

  recommend i'm sure i just finished up [TS]

  Noel Stevens first trade for lumber [TS]

  jeans and I also firmly red pneumonia i [TS]

  had been reading all that might like I'm [TS]

  so I got the two but I got the trade and [TS]

  i read that too and that was that really [TS]

  awesome last night i finished volume 2 [TS]

  of the wicked and the divine to get Tony [TS]

  so I will not tell these are like me but [TS]

  in the future how is it features as well [TS]

  I can't wait all like to do is not die [TS]

  and I'll get there implying the money [TS]

  now anyway they could define is [TS]

  fantastic i get i recommended it in the [TS]

  email newsletter right so what who cares [TS]

  a couple weeks I think like a week or [TS]

  two ago and i actually got email from [TS]

  readers think i was going to unsubscribe [TS]

  but then you [TS]

  recommended these comics is really good [TS]

  so I guess I want your attention very [TS]

  good [TS]

  oh yeah so so that's it I'm the wicked [TS]

  and divine is by karen gillan or chillin [TS]

  I guess given karen gillan and Jamie [TS]

  McKelvie they also did a series called [TS]

  phonogram which I love and just read the [TS]

  first two trades for that as well i'm on [TS]

  my list to read [TS]

  we're going away this weekend my husband [TS]

  and I and so on my list read for this [TS]

  weekend I have volumes to in three of [TS]

  the massive which is an eco-terrorist [TS]

  thriller type of deal where it's about [TS]

  it's about basically the Rainbow Warrior [TS]

  green pieces the rainbow works if they [TS]

  don't use the word Greenpeace and they [TS]

  don't use their the warrior and it's [TS]

  it's a dark horse title and it's [TS]

  basically about one of the last eco [TS]

  activist groups during an apartment [TS]

  during environmental apocalypse and they [TS]

  basic that the crew of the massive is [TS]

  going out looking for mr. missing [TS]

  sistership and trying to figure out why [TS]

  why the Earth's environment collapse and [TS]

  it's fun and chaotic there are five [TS]

  volumes total i'm only on volumes 2 and [TS]

  3 i'm also reading the New Moon Moon [TS]

  Knight on Jason's recommendation or was [TS]

  that Dan's maybe withstands I I like 12 [TS]

  it's possible i started reading it [TS]

  during our superhero podcast recently I [TS]

  had some downtime anyway and anyway it [TS]

  was a warrantless you know I anyone else [TS]

  and i also have she helped vol.1 lon [TS]

  disorder on top of my pile so those are [TS]

  the four things i'm going to read this [TS]

  week the only the only shame about the [TS]

  the warren ellis moon notice it's only [TS]

  six issues I think I don't know if I [TS]

  million and he was off of it and it's [TS]

  too bad because they're really pretty [TS]

  darn good [TS]

  it is so much more analysis finest [TS]

  Warren also i can go back and read [TS]

  something else so it's just it's I'd [TS]

  I've really been lucky that I've been on [TS]

  a roll [TS]

  also the DC has been releasing back [TS]

  issues of green arrow from the mike [TS]

  grell run in the nineteen eighties and [TS]

  so i recently read vol.3 I i tweeted a [TS]

  picture of Oliver Queen going to go see [TS]

  cats in Seattle as a matter of fact but [TS]

  it's really fun to read those it's [TS]

  really fun to read the girl stuff now [TS]

  first because the artist [TS]

  fantastically ladies in seconds because [TS]

  it's kind of fun to see the roots for [TS]

  some the flat ones that have popped up [TS]

  on arrow the TV series so I've got a [TS]

  couple quick ones I in the any rare [TS]

  example of an event series we talked [TS]

  about event series and how disappointing [TS]

  they are so many times on the show I [TS]

  will I will say I'm actually really [TS]

  enjoying secret wars because I feel like [TS]

  yes it doesn't matter and if you read [TS]

  event series because they're gonna [TS]

  matter then this is not the one for you [TS]

  I enjoy that kind of doesn't matter and [TS]

  it's a crazy mixed-up there is a story [TS]

  about how this crazy mixed-up world came [TS]

  to be and there are few people who [TS]

  survived from the old universe and I and [TS]

  there is the most fascinating portrayal [TS]

  of dr. doom i've ever seen i am really [TS]

  enjoying secret wars i cannot believe [TS]

  i'm saying that but I really am but I [TS]

  also really enjoyed one of the spin-offs [TS]

  which is called Thor's and in the Secret [TS]

  Wars scenario the police are a bunch of [TS]

  Thor's from various alternate realities [TS]

  they are like they're you don't call the [TS]

  cops called Thor's and it is a it is a [TS]

  holga dizzy is a stone-cold whodunit [TS]

  story about a murder and a series of [TS]

  murders and the authorities are [TS]

  investigating them and it really i just [TS]

  found a delightful it is on one level [TS]

  ridiculous frog Thor is amit by the way [TS]

  yes frogs or later rebuilt ok and uh and [TS]

  the tone it knows exactly what it's [TS]

  being which is this detective story [TS]

  really enjoyable and then the only other [TS]

  thing I'll mention is darkhorse is now [TS]

  releasing their trades on comixology [TS]

  which makes me very happy because I [TS]

  prefer to read things comiXology star [TS]

  courses app is kind of stinky and I've [TS]

  been catching up with Buffy Season ten [TS]

  which I've actually been enjoying I [TS]

  think they kind of lost their way with [TS]

  season 9 but season 10 has been really [TS]

  amusing a lot of fun so back to the [TS]

  bulky stuff they're all right well this [TS]

  brings us to the end of the comic book [TS]

  club i would like to thank my guests for [TS]

  talking about Runaways with us tonight [TS]

  damn warrant thank you it was a distinct [TS]

  pleasure [TS]

  I Tony sindelar you can be my dinosaur [TS]

  sidekick anytime goodnight Superfriends [TS]

  Shannon soda thank you so much for being [TS]

  on a pleasure and Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

  thank you thank you i had a great time [TS]

  you will have to do this again sometime [TS]

  soon with some other comic book maybe [TS]

  people will like the ending better [TS]

  who knows maybe not things are hard [TS]

  anyway that is the end of this episode [TS]

  of the uncomfortable thanks to everybody [TS]

  out there for listening i have been your [TS]

  host Jason li will continue to be that [TS]

  person but not here until next week [TS]

  goodbye [TS]

  hello I'm Anthony Johnson the host of [TS]

  unjustly maligned here on the [TS]

  incomparable network and I've already [TS]

  burned through 15 seconds of the oh so [TS]

  precious minute I've been given to tell [TS]

  you about the show [TS]

  it's all about the sometimes strange [TS]

  things we love that other people [TS]

  well don't some of the guests defending [TS]

  their taste in pop culture include wil [TS]

  wheaton e original tron the Alexander [TS]

  Twilight universe Merlin Mann the 2009 [TS]

  movie watchmen Casey lists the dave [TS]

  matthews band Erica and Cyn star wars [TS]

  episode 1 the Phantom minute and of [TS]

  course it wouldn't be an incomparable [TS]

  show without Jason smell himself poking [TS]

  his nose in stargate sg-1 the science [TS]

  fiction TV series plus many many more [TS]

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  who go against the grain every Monday [TS]

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