00:00:07 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 476. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,
00:00:15 ◼ ► ZocDoc, and NetSuite. My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by... I've had a recovery TG.
00:00:40 ◼ ► Federico Vitti. Do you like that? Yes, perfect, thank you. I'm worried about you. That weight,
00:00:47 ◼ ► I'm worried about you. The 10 kilograms is very very little very little. Very aggressive diet.
00:00:58 ◼ ► I'm sorry. You should try. Go and give it a go. Just see what it would feel like. Try it.
00:01:10 ◼ ► the beast of the south, Stephen Hackett. The beast of the south? I would say you did a better job
00:01:17 ◼ ► than I did, so... Yeah. You know. Something like that. That's good. I feel like I should do one
00:01:23 ◼ ► next time. I have to introduce somebody, but I'm last today, so... Why don't you introduce follow-up?
00:01:29 ◼ ► From the depths of John Saracusa's psyche, we come to follow-up. Do you know that actually
00:01:36 ◼ ► Frasier Crane created follow-up? Yeah, no, John didn't, but John wants credit for it, so...
00:01:40 ◼ ► Yeah, but Frasier created it. Saving myself a text message. Let me find it. I'm gonna search slack.
00:01:46 ◼ ► There was an episode of Frasier where they talk about follow-up, I can't find it. Never mind,
00:01:52 ◼ ► it's not worth going into. We've got lots of budgeting app recommendations. I haven't tested
00:01:58 ◼ ► any of them, but I've downloaded a bunch. I've taken a look at screenshots and websites and
00:02:02 ◼ ► pruned to what I think maybe could be the most interesting. What I'll say is this is the caveat
00:02:07 ◼ ► of lots of the recommended apps are US only, so I can't use them. Lots of people recommended You
00:02:13 ◼ ► Need a Budget, which is one of the classics, and a web app called Lunch Money, which looked kind
00:02:20 ◼ ► of cool, but it's a web app only. The iOS apps that I have downloaded include Fudget, Fudget,
00:02:25 ◼ ► Chronicle, and Dime. These are the four that I've downloaded. These were some of them that
00:02:36 ◼ ► were recommended a bunch, and I looked at the app store screenshots and was like, "These look like
00:02:39 ◼ ► interesting apps." I will follow up on this at some point in the future, maybe towards the end
00:02:44 ◼ ► of the year, if any of these actually stick with me. So thank you to everybody that wrote in.
00:02:57 ◼ ► you can be rescued without paying Apple first for another year. So if you have an iPhone 14,
00:03:04 ◼ ► Apple announced today that they are adding, or extending, I should say, the Emergency SOS by
00:03:10 ◼ ► Satellite Service free for another year. So now the coverage runs out for the 14 and the 15
00:03:18 ◼ ► at the same time, and Apple doesn't have to tell us how much it's going to charge us to save our
00:03:22 ◼ ► lives, which is good. They haven't worked out the business model yet, have they? Or they haven't
00:03:27 ◼ ► gotten it to like, there's like a business model, but they just haven't gotten all the ducks in a
00:03:32 ◼ ► row, I suppose. Maybe not, yeah, maybe not. Or maybe, you know, they're forecasting a down
00:03:37 ◼ ► quarter for services, and that's when they're going to introduce this to keep it, keep it
00:03:41 ◼ ► afloat. Right, and everyone's going to be like really into it. I went to the Apple store, and I
00:03:47 ◼ ► played with the new MacBook Pro. How is it? Okay. It's, uh, the space gray is pretty nice. I would
00:03:53 ◼ ► say it's... I would just say the Freudian slip there that you called it space gray. Space black.
00:03:59 ◼ ► It's not black. It is not... I want it to be the same black as the keyboard well, and Apple hasn't
00:04:07 ◼ ► done that. But, yeah, if you had a continuum with silver on one end and space black on the other,
00:04:15 ◼ ► space gray feels like it's dead in the center. So it is noticeably darker than space gray,
00:04:19 ◼ ► but it's not black. I think it looks good, but if you're looking for like the black MacBook or
00:04:26 ◼ ► ThinkPad or something like that, the Razer series of laptops are all black. Apple's not quite there
00:04:32 ◼ ► yet. It's close. It's good, but not, not black. It is funny, right, that like the black of space
00:04:40 ◼ ► is just like the blackest black there can be, right? Like no light, you know, and that this
00:04:47 ◼ ► space black is actually not that. That's funny to me. In space, no one can hear you complain
00:04:53 ◼ ► about a MacBook Pro finish. Yeah, so, you know, that's, you know, that's a really good point.
00:04:58 ◼ ► Uh, did you buy one of these computers, Steven? Were you even tempted... Were you tempted to buy
00:05:01 ◼ ► one of these computers? You know, we know what you're like around here, you know. The spec that
00:05:05 ◼ ► I would want, uh, not the budget right now. So, you know, maybe if I use Fudge-It for a while,
00:05:11 ◼ ► I can, I can, I can swing it. Right, you could fudge it and get a black MacBook. Yeah, that's
00:05:15 ◼ ► a weird thing about that name. I mean, one, it sounds funny, but two, like, I don't want to fudge
00:05:20 ◼ ► the budget, right? I want the budget to be exact. It's a weird, weird name. No, I, I'm, I'm cool
00:05:26 ◼ ► with fudging it. I'll fudge it if I get more money at the end. I'll fudge it. I was sort of eyeballed
00:05:32 ◼ ► by the security guard at the Apple store, I feel like, because I came in, I dodged the person at
00:05:38 ◼ ► the entry, right? Like, where do you want to go? Uh, I was like, I'm a professional Apple store
00:05:42 ◼ ► visitor. I know what I'm doing. Uh, went over there, took some pictures, right? Uh, took several
00:05:47 ◼ ► pictures. This lady's just like, I can just feel her presence. I can just feel her looking at me.
00:05:53 ◼ ► And then I had to go buy a case. And then I left. Did you buy the case because you were embarrassed?
00:06:10 ◼ ► Something for an iPad for a family member. Their iPad case was falling apart. So smart folio,
00:06:18 ◼ ► whatever one doesn't have a keyboard, but is a cover back and front. All their names are stupid.
00:06:23 ◼ ► Okay. Uh, I did do the self checkout thing, which made me feel much more like a criminal than
00:06:29 ◼ ► taking pictures of a laptop. So if you haven't done this, you pull up the Apple store app on
00:06:33 ◼ ► your phone and it says, Oh, you're in an Apple store. It's like, yes I am. And it offers a
00:06:37 ◼ ► barcode scanner. You just barcode it. You can Apple pay right there. And then it just, you know,
00:06:41 ◼ ► it'll email you a receipt, but then you just walk out with whatever it is. Like I didn't talk to a
00:06:47 ◼ ► single Apple store employee. I just, I did my things and left, but I was more self-conscious
00:06:52 ◼ ► about this, I guess because the security guard had already spotted me and I made sure to have
00:06:57 ◼ ► the Apple store app like open on my phone. So if I got stopped, like, no, no, I paid for this. I'm
00:07:01 ◼ ► not, you know, I'm not stealing a case, but that was my, that was my trip to the Apple store.
00:07:25 ◼ ► I can pay for it myself and just leave and go straight to jail. I still never done it myself.
00:07:29 ◼ ► Self-checkout. Yeah. Too much stress. I would, I would continue to feel like a criminal,
00:07:36 ◼ ► even though I've actually paid for the thing. I don't know. I can do it. It's good that in the new
00:07:42 ◼ ► design they have like just quick checkout things where you go to a person and it's like
00:07:46 ◼ ► the fine place you can just go and buy the thing. And then like, you've got the thing that you
00:07:51 ◼ ► wanted to buy. It's like great, you know? Yeah. I don't know why it was so busy. It was like the
00:07:55 ◼ ► middle of the afternoon, but it was chaotic in there. It's like, you know what? Like I can,
00:07:59 ◼ ► I can manage this myself, but, uh, that's the story. It looks, it's a good looking laptop
00:08:04 ◼ ► and, uh, make a darker one next time, Apple. I have one last piece of follow-up for y'all.
00:08:12 ◼ ► And it is long term follow-up because back in the 2022 flexis, Federico made a pic. I'm going to read
00:08:22 ◼ ► it to you. This had come, I think on a series of conversations we've been having about like
00:08:27 ◼ ► the TVOS app or like the TV app and TVOS. So what are they doing? You said Federico Apple stops the
00:08:34 ◼ ► iTunes store app. Apple stops using the iTunes store app and move store content into dedicated
00:08:40 ◼ ► apps and lo and behold, uh, news this week, this is from nine to five Mac based on code in the
00:08:49 ◼ ► iOS 17.2 and TVOS 17.2 betas. It looks like Apple is going to merge the iTunes movie store
00:08:57 ◼ ► with the Apple TV app. Um, you can now buy content in the TV app, but the iTunes store is like still
00:09:08 ◼ ► hanging around and there's a bunch of stuff in there. And so I don't think this answers
00:09:23 ◼ ► if they do discontinue this app, I would say that this is now a prediction ahead of its time
00:09:34 ◼ ► always a few years. You have a lot of them. I know. I look forward to the, the page in the
00:09:40 ◼ ► settings app where you can open a store menu to buy ringtones. That's where that's going to go.
00:09:44 ◼ ► And that will be hilarious that settings or maybe it's going to be a store tab in the phone app.
00:09:50 ◼ ► Yes. Honestly, wherever they put this is going to be great. Like it's just going to be great.
00:09:56 ◼ ► Cause it's not going to make any sense wherever they put it. If they put it anywhere, like
00:10:00 ◼ ► seriously, Apple, do you need to keep selling ringtones? Is anyone buying ringtones? Okay.
00:10:04 ◼ ► You mentioned the phone app. I think the phone app is, is long overdue for an overhaul. You know
00:10:09 ◼ ► what I want when I go to favorites, maybe I'm old and make phone calls and y'all don't, but
00:10:14 ◼ ► I want the favorites thing to look like the grid of people that I have favorited in messages.
00:10:20 ◼ ► Okay. Like bigger pictures, bigger tap targets. Cause the favorites, it's so old. It looks so
00:10:27 ◼ ► old. What if, and hear me out, what if we put your favorite people in the app switcher on the iPhone
00:10:43 ◼ ► See, that's a good question. Uh, I don't think that made it out. Well, it, it existed, right?
00:10:52 ◼ ► So I say it was a thing, but I, my memory tells me that that was in the bay or about didn't ship in
00:11:07 ◼ ► to disable your contacts from displaying in the app switcher, launch the settings app. So I guess
00:11:12 ◼ ► it shipped. That sounds like it shipped. That sounds like it shipped. You know what? You know
00:11:17 ◼ ► what I think that was? I think that was, cause I, I always say was in the time of iPhones are getting
00:11:22 ◼ ► bigger. And I think someone looked at that and be like, Oh, they didn't know what to do with it.
00:11:27 ◼ ► There's too much empty space. We don't know what to do. Hey, I got it. When you're switching,
00:11:31 ◼ ► put your friends up there between your email client and your Twitter client. Let's put a picture
00:11:36 ◼ ► of your mom up there so you can quickly call her. If I ever call anybody, I'm starting that call
00:11:42 ◼ ► from a spotlight search. Interesting. Yeah. If like I want to call my mom, I just pull down the
00:11:48 ◼ ► keyboard and type mom and then, and then I press call and it never does it the way that I want to.
00:11:53 ◼ ► That's also. Yeah. I opened the phone app and I make sure that I'm doing like a regular phone
00:11:58 ◼ ► call instead of a FaceTime audio thing. See, I want to do FaceTime audio cause it sounds better.
00:12:02 ◼ ► And so I don't know why I can't set that as a preference. And I know that Apple's like,
00:12:07 ◼ ► we just do it smart, but it's like, no, you don't like you really don't. And also like if I,
00:12:12 ◼ ► on the Mac, if I like press the call button on someone's contact, it opens up Skype and
00:12:16 ◼ ► starts ringing. It's like, what are you doing? Of all of the options to choose, why are we using
00:12:22 ◼ ► Skype? Like why are you not using my iPhone and making the call from that and like handing it off,
00:12:26 ◼ ► which I know is a thing you can do, you know, but Skype, you know, I have to quit Skype quickly
00:12:32 ◼ ► because it starts dialing people. Making phone calls is the, is the most use I get out of Siri
00:12:40 ◼ ► on my phone. Right. I start almost every phone call just with Siri and I don't, I don't use
00:12:45 ◼ ► Siri for hardly anything else. Like on a regular basis. I think phone calls should be illegal.
00:12:50 ◼ ► I think phone calls should be made illegal. I, uh, yes, yes. I dislike them. I dislike making them.
00:12:59 ◼ ► See, if I had to choose, I would rather receive a phone call and sort of be the one who gets called
00:13:05 ◼ ► because what I dislike is calling somebody and telling them what I want instead of want to be
00:13:11 ◼ ► on the receiving end and be like, Hey, you bothered me. Tell me what you want. You know,
00:13:15 ◼ ► sort of being like, you called me because making a phone call, it's, it's a, there's a lot of
00:13:22 ◼ ► decisions involved. Like, Oh, is it the right time? Am I going to bother them? How am I going
00:13:26 ◼ ► to phrase what I'm about to ask? Instead of you're on the receiving end, you're just, you know,
00:13:36 ◼ ► you know, except in the goal, socially speaking, there's fewer factors to consider. You're just
00:13:41 ◼ ► accepting the call and hearing them out. So that's my strategy. Sometimes I call people
00:13:47 ◼ ► and I let the phone just do like two or three rings and then I, I end the call. So they call
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00:15:41 ◼ ► support of the show and Relay FM. Federico I have good news for you. Okay. Your time is coming. I
00:15:48 ◼ ► know it's been, I know 2023 has been quiet. You've been having to buy all manner of technology to
00:15:52 ◼ ► keep yourself occupied. Glasses and cables and docks and all kinds of stuff. And a Microsoft
00:16:00 ◼ ► Surface. Yes. Microsoft Surface. What was it? The Surface dock. You've been really, you know,
00:16:06 ◼ ► you've been doing, you've been going all over the place. Well, Apple. I got it. I sold it. Yeah.
00:16:12 ◼ ► Is planning to release new versions of all iPad models in 2024. The biggest expected changes
00:16:20 ◼ ► are a 12.9 inch iPad Air and an OLED versions of both the 11 and 12.9 iPad Pro. That is where the
00:16:28 ◼ ► rumors are circulating. Federico, you have the floor. Okay. I have thoughts as you can imagine.
00:16:37 ◼ ► First of all, finally, it feels like we're just, we just, we stayed frozen for a year. We're just
00:16:44 ◼ ► coming out of hibernation here, coming out of sleep mode, all the iPad people. So finally,
00:16:50 ◼ ► we're getting some new stuff. It's been a long year. And like you said, I've been trying to
00:16:54 ◼ ► distract myself to optimize my workflow. There's only so much tech gear you can buy to sort of,
00:17:00 ◼ ► you know, just wait for new iPads to come out. So iPad Pro. I kind of want, so I was just listening
00:17:07 ◼ ► to Upgrade and you and Jason were literally talking about this, how the 11 inch iPad Pro
00:17:12 ◼ ► seems to be pretty much confirmed, right? That they're keeping the 11 inch iPad Pro around.
00:17:17 ◼ ► And realistically, they're probably giving it an OLED display. So we're looking at once again,
00:17:22 ◼ ► an 11 inch and a 13 inch iPad Pro with OLED, most likely an M3 chip. What else is in these
00:17:31 ◼ ► iPad Pros besides OLED and M3? Because I mean, don't get me wrong. I love some good OLED displays.
00:17:39 ◼ ► In fact, Mike, I am pre-ordering an OLED Steam Deck because I don't even want to think about it.
00:17:46 ◼ ► If it's got OLED, I am getting it. Like OLED is the best thing ever. And I can, once you,
00:17:53 ◼ ► I mean, we all know this. Once you try OLED, you cannot go back. I expect what will happen to me
00:17:57 ◼ ► with the Steam Deck is the same as the first one where like I don't buy it and then you get on it
00:18:06 ◼ ► Yep. That's what, that's what you do the first time. Yeah. So, I mean, sure. I'm happy. And I'm
00:18:13 ◼ ► really happy that we're getting an OLED display. And in fact, if Apple doesn't do an even bigger
00:18:25 ◼ ► but obviously I would love to have a giant iPad, but it doesn't sound like it's coming.
00:18:29 ◼ ► It doesn't seem like it's now. I mean, who knows, right? Like the rumors are always rumors, right?
00:18:35 ◼ ► But everything is pointing towards the 11 sticking around. And I think if the 11 sticks around,
00:18:41 ◼ ► they're not going to do a bigger one. I think there's two iPad Pros, whatever sizes they end
00:18:45 ◼ ► up being. And I will just say, if you don't mind me jumping in here, you said like what else goes
00:18:50 ◼ ► inside the iPad Pro? I think maybe the answer is what's outside, you know? Exactly. I was getting
00:18:56 ◼ ► to that. So, I mean, just a thought that I had was maybe a second Thunderbolt port. We talked about
00:19:05 ◼ ► this a few months ago when we did our sort of my Microsoft Surface segment, and I noted how
00:19:12 ◼ ► convenient it is to have two USB-C ports, two Thunderbolt ports in the Surface. And I continue
00:19:18 ◼ ► to think that having two Thunderbolt ports in the iPad will be super convenient for charging
00:19:23 ◼ ► and connecting other accessories. But that's the only thing I can think of. An iPad, obviously,
00:19:30 ◼ ► any tablet, but especially an iPad, the experience is very much dictated by the accessories you pair
00:19:37 ◼ ► with it. And let me tell you, I think I've reached a point where more than three years in, I am pretty
00:19:44 ◼ ► much done with the current design of the Magic Keyboard. And I can say this with confidence,
00:19:58 ◼ ► Bridge, you got business?" "You've passed over into some..." Turn back, Federico, turn back.
00:20:07 ◼ ► Yeah, they're not even a company anymore, right? No, they are. They got acquired by an investment
00:20:14 ◼ ► group, which is typically not a great sentence to utter, but they got acquired by a firm,
00:20:22 ◼ ► and the website is back. Their iPad keyboard is out of stock, unfortunately. So who knows what they're doing.
00:20:31 ◼ ► Yeah, that's not... okay. But I ended up on that website because I... So, look, I like the Magic
00:20:41 ◼ ► Keyboard. It was good for its time. What's it called, the design? What's the right way to
00:20:46 ◼ ► pronounce it? Cantilever? Cantilever? Cantilever, yeah. That design was fancy at the time.
00:20:53 ◼ ► Fun fact, I recently found myself shopping for chairs for a new apartment, and you won't believe
00:21:02 ◼ ► how many fancy design chairs have the Cantilever design these days. Anyway, the Magic Keyboard was
00:21:10 ◼ ► good for its time, but now I just want something like the Bridge Keyboard. Like, give me a proper
00:21:15 ◼ ► laptop keyboard with a bigger trackpad, function keys, backlit, and the thing is multiple viewing
00:21:23 ◼ ► angles. I found myself reaching for my MacBook Air when I want to watch something in bed, like a
00:21:32 ◼ ► quick YouTube video, because it's just easier to put a laptop on your lap and adjust the viewing
00:21:39 ◼ ► angle of the screen, which is impossible to do with the Magic Keyboard for the iPad because it's
00:21:43 ◼ ► got limited viewing angles due to that design. And so that's why I ended up on the Bridge website,
00:21:49 ◼ ► looking at that keyboard. Do you remember the Razer iPad keyboard? I had it, yes. I know you did,
00:21:56 ◼ ► I just wondered if you remembered it. It was like laptop style, but they had like mechanical switches
00:22:01 ◼ ► and the keys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that one broke for me after a few months, and Razer never got
00:22:07 ◼ ► back about my support email, so yeah. Because they sold one of them. Yeah, you're the only one.
00:22:14 ◼ ► I've tried them all, I've tried them all, just let me turn my iPad into a laptop. And look,
00:22:21 ◼ ► my thought here is pretty simple. You don't need, and Apple in fact is going to love my suggestions
00:22:26 ◼ ► because Apple likes money, you don't need to stop selling the Magic Keyboard. Keep making the Magic
00:22:31 ◼ ► Keyboard, but also either call it Pro Keyboard or Magic Keyboard Pro. Make a fancier, read more
00:22:40 ◼ ► expensive version that really turns your iPad into a laptop. And if I'm not mistaken, Gherman
00:22:47 ◼ ► was pointing to this kind of accessory months ago with a Pro Keyboard made of aluminum, similar to a
00:22:54 ◼ ► laptop style keyboard. I want that at this point, just give me that. So yeah. What I was
00:23:01 ◼ ► saying on that is it seems like the logical thing to do, right? But I won't put it past them to do
00:23:08 ◼ ► something interesting and weird, right? Because the Magic Keyboard is a cool design, and I understand
00:23:16 ◼ ► that after a while you stop appreciating what's cool about it and focus on what you don't like
00:23:22 ◼ ► about it. But when they announced that, it was like, wow. Yeah, sure. Because it did a lot of
00:23:27 ◼ ► things we wanted them to do, right? Like it had an integrated trackpad, back click keys, like all
00:23:33 ◼ ► that kind of stuff, but it did the physical part differently. But yeah, I have not used one
00:23:41 ◼ ► seriously for a very long time, but I had all of these problems that you're talking about, right?
00:23:45 ◼ ► Like it is limited in how you can look at the screen. And what I always found like frustrating
00:23:52 ◼ ► from it compared to the smart keyboard was it's an iPad, right? But the keyboard's always there now.
00:23:59 ◼ ► Like I actually didn't like that part, but I don't think a laptop style will fix that. It's like with
00:24:04 ◼ ► the smart keyboard, you just flip it around to the back and the keyboard's not in front of you,
00:24:07 ◼ ► right? But with the Magic Keyboard, it's like the keyboard's always there and they should take it
00:24:12 ◼ ► out. So I don't think it was awesome, comparatively, but I don't know. iPad Air. So we're going to get
00:24:20 ◼ ► a 12.9 inch version of the iPad Air. Why? Why would they do it? I don't know. And my big question here
00:24:29 ◼ ► is how are they going to differentiate between the 12.9 inch iPad Pro and the iPad Air besides the
00:24:37 ◼ ► OLED screen? Is it going to be about the Thunderbolt port? I doubt that the iPad Air is going to get
00:24:49 ◼ ► Pro keyboard that is iPad Pro only? The iPad Air and the iPad Pro are already quite similar
00:24:56 ◼ ► with each other, right? You can use Stage Manager with an iPad Air. You can use the Magic Keyboard
00:25:01 ◼ ► with an iPad Air. It's USB-C. It's not Thunderbolt, but it's USB-C. So the differences are really all
00:25:09 ◼ ► about the screen. If we are getting an iPad Air with the same size and the same design,
00:25:14 ◼ ► the only differentiating factor, what's it going to be? OLED and just that? So I am really
00:25:20 ◼ ► intrigued and quite skeptical, honestly, about this bigger iPad Air. I mean, it's going to be
00:25:28 ◼ ► a pretty sweet tablet for sure, but I guess the differences between... As things stand now with
00:25:35 ◼ ► the limited information we know from the rumors, it's going to be tricky to explain the differences
00:25:40 ◼ ► between the 12.9-inch iPad Air and the equivalent size of the iPad Pro. I have no idea what to
00:25:48 ◼ ► expect here. Yeah, and Zach brings up in the Discord that they make a big MacBook Air and a
00:25:53 ◼ ► big MacBook Pro. They're all different sizes, first of all, and just looking at an Air and a Pro,
00:25:59 ◼ ► you can see the differences. Even if you don't understand that one has this processor or this
00:26:03 ◼ ► one that has this processor, one is thicker and comes with more ports, and you can kind of
00:26:08 ◼ ► instantly see that there are some differences, even if they just appear skin deep. And maybe the
00:26:14 ◼ ► idea of the second port would help the iPad Pro. I think they 100% should do that. I do wonder if
00:26:20 ◼ ► they make a big iPad Air, if it gives Apple the breathing room to take the Pro and make it even
00:26:27 ◼ ► more high-end, that you can add even more things to it and make it more expensive. And maybe OLED
00:26:35 ◼ ► will do that on its own, right? Maybe OLED will force the price up, but it's interesting to think
00:26:43 ◼ ► how they could make them more different. But to your point, I don't think LCD versus OLED
00:26:50 ◼ ► is enough for most people just walking into an Apple store, right? We know the differences,
00:26:55 ◼ ► and some people can see them once it's pointed out to them, but a lot of people just don't care.
00:26:59 ◼ ► And it just seems like a confusing move in what is already a pretty confusing product lineup.
00:27:11 ◼ ► Steven, as the one who's the most well-versed, what does a MacBook Pro have that a MacBook Air
00:27:20 ◼ ► Oh, like from a product line. What makes them different? I guess also looking at them, yeah.
00:27:25 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean, you've got HDMI, SD card slot, and extra Thunderbolt port right off the bat.
00:27:31 ◼ ► More ports. And then of course it is a nicer screen, but I think the ports are like what...
00:27:36 ◼ ► It is going in and looking at them, the ports are what stand out. And the iPad Air and iPad Pro,
00:27:43 ◼ ► unless there's something coming we don't foresee, they don't look any different, right? Even going
00:27:54 ◼ ► oh, some of them are brightly colored now, but I don't know which ones are, right? They all look
00:27:58 ◼ ► the same, they all have the same industrial design. And maybe we're going to see some industrial design
00:28:02 ◼ ► changes that come to the Pro that maybe don't come to the Air. But I just, I don't know if Apple's
00:28:07 ◼ ► doing a good job explaining, let alone selling these things to people who need some education
00:28:23 ◼ ► They're probably going to fix the jelly scrolling, but this is not going to be mini LED, let alone
00:28:34 ◼ ► Just imagine a seven inch OLED iPad mini. Oh my word. I mean, even like, here's the thing I
00:28:42 ◼ ► wanted to say about the iPad Pro. The 11 inch iPad Pro with OLED could be a really compelling device
00:28:50 ◼ ► at this point. I've always resisted the temptation of the small iPad Pro because I love a big tablet,
00:28:56 ◼ ► I love a bigger iPad OS UI, but really it was the screen. I wanted to have the liquid retina XDR
00:29:02 ◼ ► display on the big iPad Pro. But if the small iPad Pro gets OLED and the same keyboard as,
00:29:09 ◼ ► like if there are no more differences between the 11 inch iPad Pro and the 12.9 inch iPad Pro,
00:29:14 ◼ ► I think I'm going to have to think about it. Because I mean, when I dock my iPad at the desk
00:29:28 ◼ ► it's much more comfortable. And if it has OLED, that could be a real compelling product at that
00:29:35 ◼ ► size. But we'll see. Still, iPad mini. I think we're going to be lucky. I'm going to say
00:29:55 ◼ ► which is unfortunate, at least not at least not now. All the things I want from the iPad
00:30:00 ◼ ► mini I'm not going to get the one thing that I'll ask for, which is like a random thing.
00:30:03 ◼ ► I wish the screen could be darker at its dimmest level, like reading in bed on that iPad at its
00:30:10 ◼ ► dimmest level. Still quite bright. Would like it to be darker as a very strange request,
00:30:18 ◼ ► it is a reading device. Can I interest you, Mike, in some glasses you can use? No, because you know
00:30:26 ◼ ► what, Federico, I'm trying to reduce the amount of light that goes into my eyes. I don't want to
00:30:31 ◼ ► beam it directly into my eyes. It's definitely going to be closer. It's a small, you take one
00:30:37 ◼ ► for the team. You get all the light, but you don't bother Adina. You know, it's not for Adina. It's
00:30:43 ◼ ► just for me. Okay. She's fine. Then you're selfish. So well, but she's not bothered by it Federico.
00:31:03 ◼ ► She would 100% tell me. Could I interest you, Mike, in an e-ink device shaped like a phone?
00:31:13 ◼ ► I'm reading comics, which is the problem. So what are you reading? Spider-Man. Oh, okay. Right now.
00:31:21 ◼ ► Ultimate Spider-Man. Hopefully not on Comixology. No Marvel Unlimited, which is probably one of the
00:31:28 ◼ ► main reasons that Comixology is going the way that it is. Like you just pay a subscription to Marvel
00:31:33 ◼ ► and you have access to everything. So yeah, I mean at the end of this sort of a spin-off of
00:31:39 ◼ ► a rumor round-up, I guess. I think the iPad line, obviously, and it's not just me, we all think that
00:31:45 ◼ ► the iPad line is confusing, needs simplification, needs clarity, and I mean really needs anything,
00:31:51 ◼ ► needs something new. We've gone a whole year without no changes in the iPad lineup, which is
00:31:56 ◼ ► unusual to say the least. I am excited about OLED. I don't know what else it's going to be in this
00:32:06 ◼ ► device. The two things that I'm looking forward to are the new displays and the new keyboard.
00:32:12 ◼ ► Will that be enough to reignite the enthusiasm for iPad Pro in other people? I don't know.
00:32:20 ◼ ► I think obviously it's way too soon to even talk about foldable devices. That's way down the line
00:32:27 ◼ ► at this point. Who knows? Maybe by this time next year, you know, maybe by this time November 2024,
00:32:33 ◼ ► I won't be an iPad user primarily anymore. I'll be a Vision Pro user primarily. Who knows what's
00:32:40 ◼ ► going to happen next year? Maybe we'll be recording episode 500 and something unconnected and we're
00:32:46 ◼ ► all going to be wearing Vision Pro headsets. So we'll see. But for sure, I think we need to...
00:32:54 ◼ ► I want to see what they do on the Pro line and on the Air, and I'm just... I know that I'm going
00:32:59 ◼ ► to be sad about the Mini, because I already know that's going to happen. It's going to be a minor
00:33:03 ◼ ► spec bump and it's unfortunate, but it is what it is. Do we have a branding issue? You said that we
00:33:09 ◼ ► were the spin-off of Rumor Roundup, so I looked in the thesaurus for other words that mean "rumor."
00:33:15 ◼ ► Maybe we can pick our own name. Gossip, hearsay, tittle-tattle, the grapevine, like you heard it
00:33:23 ◼ ► through the grapevine, word on the street. I could go for a word pun instead of... We could be the
00:33:34 ◼ ► you know the TV show Gossip Girl. We could be the gossip trio, maybe. Can I make a suggestion? Yeah.
00:33:41 ◼ ► Rumor Roundup, tittle-tattle, corral. It's pretty good. There's also scuttlebutt. Speculation, whisper.
00:33:48 ◼ ► Scuttlebutt. I like scuttlebutt. Me too. What's the scuttlebutt? What's the scuttlebutt? All right,
00:33:58 ◼ ► that's what we're doing. Okay. App Store Awards. Apple has announced close to 40 finalists. So
00:34:06 ◼ ► are these winners? Is it like a sudden death? No, they're finalists. Well, it's like the AGAs at
00:34:13 ◼ ► this point. It's the same format. They are pre-announcing the... There's lots of winners.
00:34:16 ◼ ► They're pre-announcing the finalists and they're going to announce the winners, usually at the end
00:34:21 ◼ ► of November, so like in a couple of weeks. So this is a way to get two stories out of one on Apple's
00:34:26 ◼ ► part. Exactly. Got it. And to get people to click on the links and sign up for some subscriptions on
00:34:34 ◼ ► the App Store, I guess. What can I say? I mean, it's the same format as the Apple Design Awards.
00:34:38 ◼ ► They've been doing this for a few years now. I think it works well for them and it works in the
00:34:44 ◼ ► context of putting the spotlight on multiple different apps. There are some usual names in
00:34:57 ◼ ► One is in the summer, one is in the winter. I feel like it would be better if maybe they...
00:35:09 ◼ ► all the time. Duolingo, Endling, Flighty... I mean, this is like the Avengers of the apps, right?
00:35:16 ◼ ► Photonator. Like these are all really good, but it's like also very funny again, Mac Game of the
00:35:24 ◼ ► Year. This time, Friendship Ended of Resident Evil. Lies of Pee is my new best friend. It's
00:35:30 ◼ ► gonna be Lies of Pee. Oh, you know it's gonna be Lies of Pee. Speaking of which, I kind of really
00:35:35 ◼ ► want to play Lies of Pee, Mike. You should play it on the Mac, man. Why not? No, no. Did they put
00:35:40 ◼ ► it on the iPad or is it just on the Mac? No, it's just on the Mac. Steven, do you know what Lies of
00:35:45 ◼ ► Pee is? No. So it's... Are you familiar with the Dark Souls game or Elden Ring, for example? I
00:35:52 ◼ ► know the name Elden Ring. So they're really gothic, super hard video games. Super hard video game for
00:36:00 ◼ ► capital G gamers. But this one is so inspired by those games, but it's a it's a dystopian
00:36:07 ◼ ► sort of version of the Pinocchio world. The P is for Pinocchio and you play as this P character
00:36:15 ◼ ► and in the game you need to upgrade your P organ. That was... If you didn't say it, I was gonna say
00:36:22 ◼ ► it. This is legit. It's called the P organ. It's actually a pretty good video game, Steven.
00:36:27 ◼ ► Called the P organ. People really like Lies of Pee. And obviously the Lies, right? Because,
00:36:33 ◼ ► you know, he has to tell the truth. Oh, it's not Liza like a name. No, it's the like Lies.
00:36:44 ◼ ► as then there is the game. And it is a legit AAA video game that debuted this year also on the Mac,
00:36:52 ◼ ► which is now the second one to do this, which is cool. It's 60 bucks in the Mac App Store. It's a
00:36:58 ◼ ► serious video game and it's actually quite... It looks like a lot of fun and I kind of want to play
00:37:04 ◼ ► it on... It's just gonna get good. I gotta get good at the P organ. So yeah, this finalist,
00:37:11 ◼ ► this format, I think it works for Apple. Therefore it works for us, I guess. I just think it's a
00:37:17 ◼ ► little bit unfair that Apple split the App Store awards into two so they can get out ahead of the
00:37:25 ◼ ► upgradees and the Mac story select awards. I just think... I know, right? I think it's a travesty,
00:37:30 ◼ ► honestly. And this... So I'm announcing now the upgradees will happen in both September
00:37:37 ◼ ► and October and November and December next year. Cool, perfect. Just a couple of shout outs from
00:37:44 ◼ ► this list of apps because it's always cool to see some indie darlings in here. Concepts for iPad,
00:37:51 ◼ ► very cool to see that drawing and sketching app in here. And I also want to give a shout out to
00:37:56 ◼ ► Planny, which is a really interesting, good looking sort of task manager slash to-do list
00:38:04 ◼ ► app and Smart Gym. I know the developer of Smart Gym, we've met up a couple of times at WWDC.
00:38:10 ◼ ► Great developer and it's really cool to see the recognition for Smart Gym in the Apple Watch App
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00:40:17 ◼ ► and Relay FM. We should talk about the Humain AI pen. After what feels like 400 years of hyping,
00:40:50 ◼ ► I want to separate the introduction of the product and the product itself, because of course,
00:40:54 ◼ ► the introduction, if you haven't seen the video, my word, go watch the video, but it's pretty bad.
00:41:01 ◼ ► It's pretty bad. Actual errors in the video, like when he's asking the AI things and it just gets
00:41:09 ◼ ► it wrong and they just left it in. Like fact check your video, dub an audio, do something to make it
00:41:15 ◼ ► correct. Weird pacing, they talked about batteries and design before what the thing actually did.
00:41:24 ◼ ► people like their phones and this thing is pitching a world without your phone and that's just not
00:41:31 ◼ ► a feature that hardly anybody wants. So they did it. I don't think they did a good job in the video
00:41:37 ◼ ► in the introduction, but ultimately the big picture, like it did work because we do know
00:41:54 ◼ ► I didn't think the video was that bad. I really didn't. I kind of liked the vibe of it,
00:42:00 ◼ ► to be honest. Like it was different. Was it the best? Probably not, but I kind of liked
00:42:11 ◼ ► it was, it was below chill, I think. Yeah, but like sometimes people were too over the top.
00:42:19 ◼ ► Yeah, that's, you know, low key chill is the new cool, you know? So like being like, yeah,
00:42:24 ◼ ► we made this thing. It's like that, that vibe. It doesn't, the vibe of it was fine, fine in my,
00:42:31 ◼ ► for me, but like it didn't change the fact that I 100% came away from it feeling like they were
00:42:37 ◼ ► just too high on their own supply. Yes. Right? Like, yeah, that comes, you've never seen a video
00:42:42 ◼ ► with people who believe in themselves more than this video. Like, and that is good and bad. I
00:42:48 ◼ ► think that it led to good and bad decisions in their product. Like, because I also don't think
00:42:55 ◼ ► that it is inherently seems like a bad product. There are just some assumptions that they make
00:43:01 ◼ ► that I think are fundamentally flawed, which is why this won't work. But like as a piece of
00:43:06 ◼ ► hardware, it looks fine. It looks nice. Actually, I think some of the decisions that they made
00:43:11 ◼ ► are smart, like the idea that you don't speak to it, you like touch it and then speak to it.
00:43:22 ◼ ► like the case. I think that the battery booster thing is a clever way to get around the fact that
00:43:32 ◼ ► a lot in the package. I think the fact that you have to pay a multi-subscription for this thing,
00:43:38 ◼ ► as well as the money is not great. The fact that you need a phone number, not good, right? Like
00:43:44 ◼ ► when it's like, we're getting rid of the phone by giving you a new phone number. It's like,
00:43:48 ◼ ► all right. Like, and that's the high on their own supply thing, which I think is a problem. They
00:43:53 ◼ ► think they've solved a problem and they just introduced new ones, you know? Yeah. So, so my
00:43:58 ◼ ► reaction to this and okay, I mean, Mike said that it's fine to have outtakes in this segment.
00:44:04 ◼ ► So I, I kind of like this product, but I feel like there's, there's an underlying issue here,
00:44:15 ◼ ► which is pitching this as the next step instead of using a phone. I think there's a lot of people
00:44:23 ◼ ► in certain Silicon Valley circles, you know, the folks who go to, to what's it called burning man
00:44:31 ◼ ► and the folks who micro dose and, you know, tons of people who do ayahuasca and those sorts of
00:44:35 ◼ ► things. A lot of folks are like, Oh, the future, what if we got rid of phones and instead of phones,
00:44:42 ◼ ► you had lasers on your head. Like, I can imagine sort of the pitch for this, which is fundamentally
00:44:49 ◼ ► flawed because people love that's the worst part, the laser part. They should just not have had
00:44:53 ◼ ► that. That just shouldn't be there, but they clearly spent way too much time on that. And
00:44:58 ◼ ► according to the New York times article that was about the launch, that's what they had first.
00:45:02 ◼ ► And they spent a lot of time shrinking that down. I don't know when AI got added to this thing.
00:45:09 ◼ ► Couldn't have been, couldn't have been any sooner than October realistically. Doesn't the time story
00:45:14 ◼ ► literally mention a shaman or something like that? Like that they met through their massage
00:45:20 ◼ ► therapist or something. Acupuncturist. They're either going to make a device for woman's health
00:45:27 ◼ ► or this. And the shaman said, do this. So they did this. Of course it did. Yeah. So the thing is
00:45:34 ◼ ► brother spirit was that person's name by the way. Brother spirit. So if you can, that's,
00:45:39 ◼ ► who was the guy, was it Chingy? Oh yeah. The digital prophet. Is it that guy? Just a different
00:45:44 ◼ ► name. Same guy keeps rebranding himself to keep up with the ages. So here's the thing. This is
00:45:54 ◼ ► actually a pretty cool piece of art where I feel like, but it comes from a place of nonsensical
00:46:02 ◼ ► planning that is ultimately, I feel like gonna result in a failure for this product in particular,
00:46:11 ◼ ► but at the same time, so multiple things can be true in my hot takes. I think at the same time,
00:46:18 ◼ ► I kind of want something like this in my life. Me too. I kind of, because I see the use case
00:46:24 ◼ ► and you may ask why. And let me tell you very practically speaking, there are many times,
00:46:30 ◼ ► because I've seen a lot of people say like, oh, isn't there, isn't just this an Apple watch with
00:46:34 ◼ ► Siri? No, it's not. The thing is there are so many times and dog owners will understand me or folks
00:46:41 ◼ ► who go out and buy groceries and come back with multiple bags of groceries will understand me.
00:46:46 ◼ ► Perhaps you're buying groceries and you need to hold the leash of your dog. At the same time,
00:46:54 ◼ ► my hands are occupied, right? And I have the dogs and maybe the plastic bags for my groceries,
00:47:00 ◼ ► and I cannot physically turn my wrist or use my second hand to interact with the Apple watch.
00:47:10 ◼ ► But I need to look at something real quick or I need to, you know, I need to do something.
00:47:23 ◼ ► and I know that the lasers maybe are stupid, but I kind of like it. The idea of like... Well,
00:47:29 ◼ ► the laser wouldn't work because it has to be protected onto your hand, but you could at least
00:47:32 ◼ ► talk to it. After you tap it. Well, but I can just tap it with the back of my hand. I can tap it with
00:47:39 ◼ ► my palm or something. Like it doesn't have to be precise is what I'm saying. That's a good point.
00:47:44 ◼ ► And second, it has a camera. I know privacy implications and all of that. No, they're out
00:47:52 ◼ ► of the window. Smartphones got rid of that. Like genuinely, like the cameras are everywhere. Like
00:47:58 ◼ ► that time is over. So the combination of it can be used with an imprecise input. Just tap it with
00:48:06 ◼ ► whatever you have, like your wrist or your palm, like in a hurry. I can see that. And a camera that
00:48:13 ◼ ► is always on you and ready to record. I think it's compelling. And I think I like the ideas of a
00:48:20 ◼ ► device that can have eyes at what I'm looking at. Like that kind of idea. It's like why the
00:48:26 ◼ ► new meta Ray-Bans when they put the meta AI in it, like that's also compelling, right? That you
00:48:32 ◼ ► would just look at something and be like, what is that? And it could tell you like that is,
00:48:37 ◼ ► I think that all of that stuff is interesting way to use this type of technology. But it's like,
00:48:43 ◼ ► these are the two things that are true about this product. There are some really compelling ideas in
00:48:48 ◼ ► here. I don't inherently believe that they can do all of the things that they're telling me they can
00:48:55 ◼ ► do, right? That like it almost feels more like a concept, but they're about to ship it as a product
00:49:00 ◼ ► purely because it makes so many mistakes in the video where they're demoing the thing. And
00:49:08 ◼ ► it also has the whole phone number thing, which just like inherently means that this just can't
00:49:16 ◼ ► work for most people because it's not going to replace the phone. It's a compliment to the phone,
00:49:20 ◼ ► but it also is like its own phone. But the ideas that they are talking about, I think they are
00:49:28 ◼ ► probably the next phase of technology, right? Like of integrating these machine learning models and
00:49:36 ◼ ► transformer models into hardware. Like everyone's doing it. We're going to talk about it in a little
00:49:40 ◼ ► bit. Apple's starting it. Like this is the next thing. It's kind of funny because AR and VR was
00:49:46 ◼ ► supposed to be the next thing, but that's kind of like a concurrent thing, which isn't as big as the
00:49:51 ◼ ► big real next thing. We'll have to just kind of ignore that because some people, including Apple,
00:49:57 ◼ ► are just too far down that road now to kind of turn away. But maybe they will be able to do what
00:50:02 ◼ ► Humain did and integrate AI into a hardware device that they were already making that did different
00:50:07 ◼ ► things. So in conclusion, my takeaway is that I would 100% buy this kind of accessory for my
00:50:16 ◼ ► iPhone made by Apple. I would not buy a separate sort of standalone pin that requires its own phone
00:50:28 ◼ ► number. And that's the issue. This, I think, should start right now in 2023 as an accessory
00:50:38 ◼ ► to the phone. Thinking that this can replace your phone. I mean, if you gravitate in certain circles,
00:50:54 ◼ ► For most people, this does not make sense as a standalone product. But hey, best of luck.
00:51:01 ◼ ► You know, I also thought that the video was not as dramatic as a lot of us made it out to be.
00:51:09 ◼ ► It was fine. Not the highest production. Like we're not looking at a James Cameron movie here,
00:51:15 ◼ ► but it was like, it was a video. It was okay. Yeah, it was. And it's easy to poke fun of it,
00:51:28 ◼ ► And the attitude that they had. Yeah. So there's the hype. It's not even a hype train. It's like
00:51:34 ◼ ► a hype supersonic missile. They've been firing at all of us for a year. This video without all the
00:51:38 ◼ ► hype before would not have been reacted to the same way because they are from Apple and they want,
00:51:50 ◼ ► And I think the reason it rubbed a lot of people in our community the wrong way is that you look
00:51:55 ◼ ► at this and it's like a stereotype of everything bad that people think about Apple, right? That
00:52:01 ◼ ► they're aloof and making silly expensive toys and, you know, have monk friends called brother
00:52:07 ◼ ► spirit or whatever. And I think that's maybe what fueled some of this, but I think mostly it's on
00:52:14 ◼ ► themselves. That they set themselves up in a way that really nothing was ever going to live up to
00:52:20 ◼ ► honestly. But then you have this thing that is kind of weird and super expensive and probably
00:52:25 ◼ ► not that useful. And it's just kind of a perfect storm. As good as some of the ideas are,
00:52:37 ◼ ► any favors either, I guess. One of the things that I found, oh, very fair. I think it's very fair.
00:52:42 ◼ ► I mean, it's why it happened, right? Like, as I said, like if they, if all of the stuff before
00:52:47 ◼ ► hadn't happened, it would have been different. And if they were not from Apple, it would be
00:52:52 ◼ ► different. If they didn't do all these reports saying that like, we think we've ruined the world
00:52:57 ◼ ► by being involved in the iPhone, right? Like all this kind of stuff. It's just like, get over
00:53:01 ◼ ► yourselves. Like, you don't have to say every thought you have. One of the things that I found,
00:53:07 ◼ ► like, which I thought was pretty tone deaf in the video that I haven't really seen a lot of people
00:53:11 ◼ ► mention is the moment with the book. So he's like, oh, if you're out in the world and you see a book,
00:53:17 ◼ ► you can just pick it up and say, buy it. And it's like, what about the bookstore you're in?
00:53:27 ◼ ► You're just like, oh, just buy this online, man. I don't care. I'll put it down and leave.
00:53:37 ◼ ► if I'm in like Target or, you know, some like a grocery store. I'm like, oh, I wonder if this
00:53:41 ◼ ► is cheaper online somewhere. This guy's not buying books in Target, right? Like that's kind of the...
00:53:52 ◼ ► something. Like that's his whole view. And then his robot button buys it from God knows where.
00:53:58 ◼ ► Who knows what's hooked up on the other end of that thing, you know? And if chat GPT is in
00:54:03 ◼ ► charge of ordering your book, you're going to get a hundred copies of some other book accidentally.
00:54:07 ◼ ► It seems like it, doesn't it? I know you said it already, Steven, and you've already made the
00:54:13 ◼ ► point, which is like, so good, but I have to just say it again. Like I cannot believe that any
00:54:18 ◼ ► company who is working with an AI model is not fact checking their announcement videos.
00:54:24 ◼ ► Because this has happened every single time. And like the thing is, even if you think it's right,
00:54:30 ◼ ► you know, people want to find mistakes now. So if there are any, they will be found because
00:54:35 ◼ ► if you are lucky enough to find a mistake in one of these videos, you go viral. So everyone's trying
00:54:47 ◼ ► Because what goes viral is people saying you're an idiot, which is kind of is not a great
00:54:51 ◼ ► marketing strategy. Look, there's technology here and it's coming together and it's going to create
00:54:58 ◼ ► something interesting. But just this ain't it. And I cannot wait for the reviews. I'm so excited.
00:55:04 ◼ ► Like, because like, so I really recommend if you don't listen to the Vergecast, last week's
00:55:09 ◼ ► episode of the Vergecast, so good where they talk about this because they just obliterate it. And
00:55:14 ◼ ► like websites like that, they are so excited to destroy your product, right? Like, and I don't
00:55:21 ◼ ► mean that in a mean way, but it's like, they are just, they're ready to make that video or that
00:55:28 ◼ ► review of like, these are all the things that are wrong with this product and they will do it in a
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00:58:10 ◼ ► that Apple is extremely amped about iOS 18. They want some of that hype back from others,
00:58:19 ◼ ► and they're saying it's going to be ambitious and compelling. This of course comes with the
00:58:24 ◼ ► reporting that they were taking a week off from all of that to fix iOS 17. Can I just say,
00:58:29 ◼ ► we got that wrong by the way on last week's show. What did we do? They were fixing bugs in iOS 18,
00:58:34 ◼ ► not iOS 17. Oh okay. Which I think we read it as what we believed the company should be doing,
00:58:42 ◼ ► but no, they took a week off to fix iOS 18 bugs because it wasn't ready to hit the development
00:59:03 ◼ ► just talked about humane. Let's talk about Siri. Gurman reports that Apple is expected to unveil
00:59:09 ◼ ► its LLM powered version of Siri at WWDC 2024, although other generative AI features could be
00:59:17 ◼ ► exclusive to the iPhone 16 that would be revealed in September. So maybe there's like some stuff
00:59:24 ◼ ► that's coming in iOS or Siri or whatever, and it needs new hardware. Like maybe they're a neural
00:59:30 ◼ ► engine or some upgrade in future iPhones. I think it's also interesting, maybe related to this,
00:59:37 ◼ ► that the rumors also say that the iPhone 16 and 16 Pro will have the same system on a chip. They're
00:59:43 ◼ ► not going to do the hand-me-down this time around. So maybe they want this out there on everything.
00:59:48 ◼ ► Maybe it's also why we haven't seen any iPads. I don't know, but I don't think the iPad plays
00:59:53 ◼ ► into that. But the phones maybe do. Okay, hit me. A new MagSafe accessory where you can clip
01:00:01 ◼ ► your iPhone to your shirt and then you can wear your iPhone on your shirt all day and you can
01:00:08 ◼ ► talk to it and it can see what you can see. What do you think? I mean, the iPhone Pro Max is pretty
01:00:14 ◼ ► big. Like I'm just holding it up to my chest. Can I call you brother Mike? You sure can. Brother Mike
01:00:23 ◼ ► is here in the scuttlebutt to tell you about the MagSafe pin. We ought to see what brother OTJ
01:00:28 ◼ ► thinks about this. German has some examples of what this could be. Auto-generated Apple music
01:00:36 ◼ ► playlists, integration with productivity apps like Pages and Keynote. Of course, that's been a big
01:00:41 ◼ ► thing for Microsoft with its co-pilot programs. You can have co-pilot help you deal with your
01:00:46 ◼ ► documents. And then maybe AI-assisted writing and even slide deck creation. I don't think any of
01:00:52 ◼ ► that's particularly groundbreaking, but it's certainly interesting that Apple could be gearing
01:00:57 ◼ ► up for this. What do you think about Apple joining the party next year and is Siri the right brand
01:01:04 ◼ ► for this sort of new type of thing? I think they got to do it to answer your first question. They
01:01:10 ◼ ► have to do it because it's one of those things everybody else is doing it. Chai GPT having...
01:01:15 ◼ ► They're already too late, right? So they have to do it next year. They are already too late and
01:01:19 ◼ ► Chai GPT taking off. Can you imagine if you think of now to... Like it's been like 12 months now,
01:01:26 ◼ ► right? Since Chai GPT. Can you imagine where we are in September of next year? Who knows? I mean,
01:01:32 ◼ ► it's wild to think about. It's wild. And so like if Apple are not doing this, like just how much
01:01:39 ◼ ► work it will be to try and catch up. Yeah. Because at that point they are two years after the
01:01:45 ◼ ► introduction of this technology. Yeah. You're catching up with a moving target. That's tough.
01:01:51 ◼ ► That already has a hundred million weekly users. Yeah. And they had to turn off paid signups
01:01:58 ◼ ► because their website fell over. Oh really? I signed up again two days ago. So lucky me.
01:02:02 ◼ ► Yeah. No, today they came out. They're like, "We're inundated. We have no more capacity.
01:02:08 ◼ ► We want your $20, but please come back later." So I think they got to do it. And I think what's
01:02:12 ◼ ► interesting, so for the branding, I think Siri is fine. They can just, you know, they can put a spin
01:02:17 ◼ ► on it. They can say, they can actually label it the new Siri. I mean, this is literally the company
01:02:22 ◼ ► who released an iPad and called it the new iPad. So if they can do it, they can do it. If we were
01:02:29 ◼ ► just spending a lot of time talking about like design hubris and stuff, there is absolutely zero
01:02:34 ◼ ► way that Apple changes the name Siri in my opinion. Or they could call it the new Siri or Siri X, or
01:02:41 ◼ ► maybe not X now is a negative connotation. I could imagine any of those kinds of things, right? Siri
01:02:46 ◼ ► Pro or whatever. Siri Pro, Siri AI, like whatever. Just gonna call it Siri something or the new Siri.
01:02:52 ◼ ► Isn't it wild that they've stuck so hard to this name, a name they bought? That's the weirdest,
01:02:59 ◼ ► I was just getting ready to say it. The weirdest thing is Siri came from a purchase and they kept
01:03:03 ◼ ► the branding. Like why hold on to it so hard? It wasn't even yours, you know? It's different
01:03:10 ◼ ► with Shazam, right? Shazam had a long history before and... But also nobody says Shazam's bad,
01:03:16 ◼ ► you know? Yeah, yeah. People I think generally like Shazam, but the Siri one is a real mystery.
01:03:22 ◼ ► I would love to know why that's the case. I think this is really exciting because the one thing that
01:03:28 ◼ ► Apple can do that chat GPT that arguably Microsoft with co-pilot is more similar to what I'm about to
01:03:38 ◼ ► say. I think there's incredible, almost infinite potential for a large language model that is
01:03:45 ◼ ► infused with your own data, with apps that you have on your computer that has integration with
01:03:52 ◼ ► the operating system that is not just a website where you can go and... I mean most people go to
01:03:58 ◼ ► the chat GPT website and ask questions about the world or the web. It's a website where you go in
01:04:04 ◼ ► and have a conversation. But imagine having that sort of power on your phone and the kind of power
01:04:11 ◼ ► that can do things on your device, right? Just by understanding you. Imagine like... That is the
01:04:19 ◼ ► reason why I created months ago that shortcut as GPT. The idea being what if you could blend
01:04:26 ◼ ► the intelligence of a large language model with the native apps and system features of your phone.
01:04:33 ◼ ► Once you start thinking about that, and Microsoft is of course thinking along these lines, I mean
01:04:38 ◼ ► look at co-pilot which is baked into Windows right now, and they're actually rebranding the whole
01:04:44 ◼ ► thing as co-pilot. That's going to be the name of the Microsoft AI. But imagine Apple doing it,
01:04:51 ◼ ► right? And I think that's exciting because sure you can imagine a new, more conversational,
01:04:56 ◼ ► more generative, sort of smarter Siri. And so the simple example could be now you can talk to Siri
01:05:06 ◼ ► and ask a bunch of questions like you would to an actual assistant and Siri is going to do it.
01:05:11 ◼ ► Like I wrote down an example in the document like imagine say to Siri "Enable my work focus,
01:05:18 ◼ ► then open Safari or Notes, dim the lights and turn on stage manager." Like that's a multi-command
01:05:25 ◼ ► request that in theory a large language model combined with native integrations on your computer
01:05:31 ◼ ► should be able to do. And if that sounds similar to a shortcut, that's exactly what I'm getting at.
01:05:39 ◼ ► Because I think the real power that Apple has here is taking that foundation of shortcuts
01:05:46 ◼ ► and making it something that everybody can create just by using natural language. We talked about
01:05:53 ◼ ► this months ago. I had a tweet somewhere now on X.com I guess. Like imagine having that sort of
01:06:02 ◼ ► capability of folks have always found shortcuts too difficult to get started with, but what if you
01:06:08 ◼ ► could just make a shortcut with a sentence? And I'm pretty sure that at the time I used the old
01:06:15 ◼ ► the sentence feature of Beats Music as an example. Really Beats Music was ahead of its time 10 years
01:06:21 ◼ ► ago man. Beats Music was good. In so many ways. In so many ways. But I mean the list goes on.
01:06:27 ◼ ► Apple Music playlist generation. Yes, there's plenty of services that do this now for Spotify.
01:06:32 ◼ ► That notification summary feature which is okay, but imagine if a large language model could
01:06:40 ◼ ► actually summarize notifications that you've gotten on your phone. A preview of your daily
01:06:52 ◼ ► Links that you can click or apps that you can launch. Siri intelligence built into iWork.
01:07:01 ◼ ► Document summaries or maybe even image generation. I want to create a slide deck that has these
01:07:09 ◼ ► colors and this type of font and this type of imagery make it for me. The real trick though
01:07:16 ◼ ► I feel like what Apple can do to differentiate their efforts here besides you know the pretty
01:07:23 ◼ ► huge factor of the phone is always with you and now you have this intelligence that can actually
01:07:29 ◼ ► do things with the camera, actually do things with Safari or Mail or Notes or Reminders. Set that
01:07:35 ◼ ► aside, but imagine also the developer ecosystem for this. Imagine if this technology could be
01:07:42 ◼ ► something that developers can just drop into their apps. There's a framework. I just hope that people
01:07:48 ◼ ► will be able to integrate because I don't want to have to use all of Apple's apps to be able to make
01:07:53 ◼ ► the most benefit of this. If I have to use Reminders rather than Todoist, that's going to be
01:08:02 ◼ ► frustrating for me. I don't want that to be my life so I can then use the smart assistant and
01:08:09 ◼ ► I'm worried that that's how a lot of this stuff will go with a lot of companies. That they will
01:08:15 ◼ ► try and use it as a way to lock you into all of their services and I just hope that Apple as they
01:08:20 ◼ ► are the phone maker as well as the operating system maker or whatever might take a bit of a
01:08:26 ◼ ► more wide view on that and like be like oh developers can plug in and offer their information
01:08:30 ◼ ► to the system. Yeah, yeah that is exactly the sort of thing that I hope will happen because I mean
01:08:38 ◼ ► the simple answer sure there could be a new Siri with a new UI now you can ask more questions but
01:08:45 ◼ ► it would feel like so much wasted potential in my opinion because I think what what sets Apple apart
01:08:51 ◼ ► is that they could bake this into all sorts of places of iOS, iPadOS, their entire ecosystem
01:09:00 ◼ ► really with a third-party developer story that doesn't require shaky web plugins and I say this
01:09:07 ◼ ► as someone who tried the beta version of the Todoist integration with chat GPT. It was sort
01:09:13 ◼ ► of shaky. Imagine having this sort of intelligence in a native experience on your phone with any apps
01:09:27 ◼ ► correctly the words that were that German used ambitious and compelling this is ambitious and
01:09:34 ◼ ► compelling at the same time because having a software update that's gonna make my phone
01:09:39 ◼ ► 10 times more intelligent and useful for me yes that's compelling. We've seen the results
01:09:45 ◼ ► like a fraction of the results of these efforts with the transformer model in the keyboard.
01:09:52 ◼ ► Now imagine that sort of intelligence applied to the entire... So good, it's so good, it's so good,
01:10:11 ◼ ► How do you know that I want to use these like modern phrases rather than just what the dictionary
01:10:17 ◼ ► would like? I think it's very clever very very clever whatever it is they're doing they have
01:10:21 ◼ ► done a very very good job with the keyboard stuff which does actually make me confident that they
01:10:34 ◼ ► And that's the really exciting part for me this intelligence with your own data. Imagine asking
01:10:43 ◼ ► things like hey the last time I saw Mike what did we have for lunch? And just imagine having
01:10:50 ◼ ► an answer back in two seconds. Like normally you will be like okay when did I see Mike and maybe
01:10:57 ◼ ► you know you had an event in your calendar so you open the calendar you go in there like okay
01:11:02 ◼ ► so maybe it was two weeks ago on Wednesday and then you open photos and you scroll back and
01:11:06 ◼ ► like okay when was Wednesday what date was it and you're like okay let me find the picture of the
01:11:11 ◼ ► meal that I took right? Instead the large language model could be just like okay I know who Mike is
01:11:17 ◼ ► it's saved as a person in photos just let me calculate all of this and push back result and
01:11:23 ◼ ► I mean that's the idea right but done with your own data. Now imagine this for all kinds of things
01:11:30 ◼ ► coming from your device and your apps and your photos your messages your mail whatever.
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01:12:05 ◼ ► put him through recently. Oh yeah okay yeah get ready get ready boy. Oh no. You can find us all
01:12:14 ◼ ► online you can find Mike's work on a bunch of other shows here on relay.fm but also of course over at
01:12:20 ◼ ► Cortex Brand. You can follow Mike online he's on threads as imike and he is on mastodon as mike
01:12:28 ◼ ► always get yours backwards at imike at mike.social. You can find Federico's work at maxstories.net.
01:12:36 ◼ ► We didn't even get to talk to you about the iPad as a gaming screen maybe we can follow up on that
01:12:42 ◼ ► next week. Lots of cool stuff happening over at Max Stories. It takes four hours just to talk about the cables
01:12:48 ◼ ► you know. I know. Set aside some good time some quality time for the cables. It's good I will.
01:12:54 ◼ ► I know you care a lot about USB-C cables I think it's good. You can find Federico on Mastodon as
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