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0:00:08Welcome to Connected, episode 477.

0:00:12Today's show is brought to you by Masterclass, Notion and Oracle.

0:00:17I am your welcomer, Mike Hurley, and I would like to welcome Federico Vittucci.

0:00:21Welcome Federico.

0:00:22I feel very welcome. Hi Mike.

0:00:24I want to make everyone feel welcome. That's what I'm going for today.

0:00:27I felt a really warm welcome from you today, so thank you.

0:00:32Can you do this for Steven? Can you welcome him?

0:00:35Benvenuto, Steven.

0:00:37La Señor.

0:00:38To the show.

0:00:39Do you know what he... We have no idea what he said to you.

0:00:42I said welcome.

0:00:43No, but that's what you say you said welcome. We don't know what you said.

0:00:46Oh, sure. Okay.

0:00:47You know, you could have said anything.

0:00:48Fair enough. Fair enough.

0:00:50I cursed at Steven at the beginning of the show.

0:00:53You put a hex on him.

0:00:55No, not again!

0:00:57A plague on your house.

0:00:59I was laughing, Mike, because it sounds...

0:01:01There was like a little bit of hesitation as if you forgot what show you were announcing.

0:01:06Yeah.

0:01:07Okay.

0:01:08I forgot how to do it. I just started.

0:01:11You're like, "Welcome to..."

0:01:12I don't think I've ever said welcome at all.

0:01:14Well, because I also had... The hesitation was me looking for the episode number.

0:01:18Mmm.

0:01:19But I don't know why I said welcome. But that's what you got.

0:01:22It's different every time.

0:01:24It's different every time.

0:01:25Do you guys ever forget or like have to think for a second about how old you are?

0:01:31Yes.

0:01:32Mike got it wrong in a podcast once.

0:01:35And then someone wrote in to correct me.

0:01:37Yeah, we had follow-up.

0:01:38Best follow-up of all time.

0:01:41That is an unbeatable follow-up, right?

0:01:43That someone writes in to tell you how old you are?

0:01:45Did they say you're actually 34?

0:01:48Yeah, it was that.

0:01:49It's like Mike's actually... Whatever old it was.

0:01:51I think I remember this.

0:01:54Friend of the show, Rob, remembered that great follow-up.

0:01:57My favorite piece of follow-up ever.

0:01:59But I will give you another piece of follow-up that I enjoyed.

0:02:01It came from many people. Many people sent it in to me.

0:02:05I think I saw it first from Keegan.

0:02:07Because I was talking last week about reading comics at night

0:02:10and I wanted my iPad to be less bright.

0:02:13There is an accessibility setting called reduce white point.

0:02:17This is available in settings, accessibility, display and text size,

0:02:21reduce white point.

0:02:22When you turn this on, you can make the screen go incredibly dim.

0:02:26And there's actually a slider for how dim you want it to be.

0:02:30I then set this to my triple-click accessibility shortcut

0:02:33on the lock button.

0:02:35And I also put it in control center,

0:02:37where you can have the accessibility shortcut in control center too.

0:02:40And so now, at night, I can make my iPad go super dim.

0:02:45I know at some point I'm going to forget that I turned this on

0:02:48and I didn't think my iPad's broken.

0:02:50But that is a problem for the future.

0:02:52I know you don't have a whole scientific lab there to measure the nits.

0:02:56But is it a noticeable difference?

0:02:58It's just one nit.

0:02:59-Oh, just the one. -If you can believe it.

0:03:01Yep, one nit.

0:03:03It's like when Apple said the Apple Watch screen go to one hurt

0:03:07or whatever they said.

0:03:09Yeah, one hurt. Everybody one hurt.

0:03:11No, it's incredibly dim.

0:03:14Like, really, really dim.

0:03:16Like, it makes a huge difference

0:03:17just how much further you can bring it down with the reduce white point.

0:03:21I recommend that you try it, like, on a device,

0:03:23just to see what it looks like if you do have this thing.

0:03:25But yeah, this has solved my problem.

0:03:27And I could tell that this was going to work

0:03:29because so many people wrote in to tell me about it.

0:03:32So, like, it's a thing that's gotten out there in the community somehow.

0:03:36And now here on the Connected program,

0:03:38I'm helping to perpetuate this information amongst the listeners.

0:03:42We have some real-time follow-up.

0:03:44-Okay. -Kate, the official historian of Relay FM,

0:03:47says, "Mike has started two episodes of Connected with Welcome before today,

0:03:51episodes 9 and 11."

0:03:54Oh.

0:03:54How can Kate know this?

0:03:57I think we're in Underscore's thing,

0:03:59where you can search for things we've talked about.

0:04:02Pod Search or whatever he calls it.

0:04:04So you could just search the word "welcome," I guess,

0:04:06and it would come up.

0:04:08Interesting.

0:04:09Or Kate just, like, stopped time,

0:04:12listened to every episode, and then confirmed it was.

0:04:15They said, "I know things." That's kind of menacing.

0:04:18[laughs]

0:04:20It's a lot of power to just give one person, you know?

0:04:22It really is.

0:04:24That's why we only have one historian,

0:04:25because otherwise they get together and you can't handle that.

0:04:28Mmm. Or maybe there was some sort of historian death battle,

0:04:32and Kate just came out victorious.

0:04:34We actually legally can't talk about how the historian was picked.

0:04:38-Okay. -Steven, I hope that you're stocking up

0:04:40or have stocked up already, because Apple's stopped selling OS X Lion

0:04:44and OS X Mountain Lion installers from the Apple Online Store.

0:04:48-No! No! -Up until a week ago,

0:04:49-they were still selling them. -No! What am I gonna do now?

0:04:53From 2011.

0:04:56Yeah, they got rid of all the linen releases of Mac OS X.

0:05:00Mountain Lion was the one that they released by surprise, right?

0:05:04They announced it by surprise.

0:05:06-Yeah. -Like, Gruber and some other people

0:05:08had, like, a press meeting, like, "Uh, Mountain Lion's here."

0:05:12Was that, like, the briefings in, like, in a hotel room or something?

0:05:17Yes, Daring Fireball Mountain.

0:05:20It was the one where John Gruber wrote about it

0:05:22and then was told not to do that anymore, I think.

0:05:25I think is how the law goes. Like, he wrote...

0:05:27-About the behind the scenes. -...about the briefing.

0:05:30And I think was told, "Never do that again."

0:05:32-Yeah. -"Because you're not supposed to do that."

0:05:35You're not supposed to talk about, like, the...

0:05:37But that was actually maybe the more interesting part.

0:05:40I remember where I was when this news broke

0:05:44'cause it was, like, such a wild day.

0:05:45I was still working at the bank.

0:05:47I was in a particular part of the job that I hated during that time.

0:05:51Uh, and, yeah, I remember that. It was very exciting.

0:05:54And that's all I've got for you on that one.

0:05:56Lion, as I'm sure everyone remembers,

0:05:59was sold digitally in the Mac App Store.

0:06:03And it was the one Craig Federighi was young and nervous

0:06:06and, like, his hand was shaking on the track pad, all that business.

0:06:09Uh, but you could also get it on a USB installer.

0:06:13Well, I dug mine out.

0:06:15I have my USB installer in its little carrying case right here.

0:06:18-Plug it in. -And Mountain Lion was only in the App Store.

0:06:21But this is not as big of a deal as it seems because in 2021,

0:06:26Apple made Lion and Mountain Lion and a bunch of other old OSs

0:06:30available for free to download.

0:06:32-So... -Right.

0:06:33You can still get them. Don't worry.

0:06:36-I'm worried. -Don't worry.

0:06:38I'm worried.

0:06:39Two not great releases, really.

0:06:42Lion and Mountain Lion, but that's okay.

0:06:45Isn't Mountain Lion, like, the one that everybody fantasizes about, though?

0:06:49Snow Leopard is the one everyone...

0:06:50Snow Leopard.

0:06:52...gets all hot and bothered over.

0:06:54That's the one. No new features, but there were loads of new features.

0:06:57Yes, some massive new features in Snow Leopard.

0:07:02Lion and Mountain Lion were lineny, right?

0:07:05Lineny UI everywhere.

0:07:07And they brought a bunch of the iCloud stuff, so like reminders and notes.

0:07:12No, no, Steven, it's Lion, not...

0:07:15What did you say? Linen?

0:07:17-Like, it's Lion. -They were lineny releases.

0:07:19-Covered in linen. -Lion.

0:07:21Linen-esque.

0:07:22OS X Mountain Linen.

0:07:24-OS X Linen. -Yeah.

0:07:28OS X Mountain Linen.

0:07:30Mountain Linen.

0:07:31Linen.

0:07:32The accent's coming out.

0:07:33Linen.

0:07:35Linen.

0:07:37Oh, interesting.

0:07:38That USB key was one of those weird, like, half USBs, right?

0:07:43It's just exposed contacts.

0:07:44It's like a piece of plastic with three little contacts on it.

0:07:47It seems like the most fragile thing ever.

0:07:51Can you plug it in right now into your computer?

0:07:53Yeah, plug it in!

0:07:54-Plug it in. -Come on.

0:07:55-Plug it in. -Do it. Plug it in.

0:07:56Plug it in, unseal it and plug it in.

0:07:58Plug it in and charge it into the Lion on Apple Silicon.

0:08:01See what happens.

0:08:02I think I have an unsealed one, hang on.

0:08:03He has more than one.

0:08:05And also, do you get this?

0:08:07-Yeah, hang on. -He won't unseal it.

0:08:09Like, it's somehow important to keep the Mountain Lion installer

0:08:13in a sealed box?

0:08:15-Yeah. -Why is that important to you?

0:08:16-I have an idea. -Lion.

0:08:17OS X Lion.

0:08:18Mac OS X version 10.7.

0:08:22All right, I'm gonna plug it in.

0:08:23Plug it in.

0:08:24This might be the end of the podcast.

0:08:26This is gonna crash.

0:08:27Plugged into my CalDigit.

0:08:29-So bad. -Okay.

0:08:31Okay. Let me...

0:08:32I'll put a screenshot of what shows up.

0:08:34Install it.

0:08:35Did you get the installer?

0:08:36Just install it right now.

0:08:38Click next.

0:08:39Click continue.

0:08:41Let's just fire up the wizard.

0:08:43Okay. Mac OS X install. Do it.

0:08:45-Do it. -Let's even get the custom icon.

0:08:47Look at it. It looks like it.

0:08:48That's cool.

0:08:49That's cool that they still do it.

0:08:51Double click it.

0:08:52-Okay, I'm going. -Yeah.

0:08:53-See what happens. -Do it.

0:08:55Install Mac OS X Lion.app.

0:08:57You coward. Install it.

0:08:59See, you're one of those people that shows the .app.

0:09:03Oh, no. You got an error.

0:09:05Wow. You know what, Steven?

0:09:07Appreciate that you actually clicked it, you know?

0:09:09Wait, what's the error message saying?

0:09:11This version of Mac OS X

0:09:15is too new to install Mac OS X

0:09:19from Mac OS X 10.7.

0:09:24What?

0:09:25I feel like at some point,

0:09:27that has gone around on itself, you know?

0:09:29Like, there's like a double negative in there somewhere.

0:09:32This version of Mac OS X is too new to run install Mac OS X

0:09:36from Mac OS X 10.7.

0:09:38What?

0:09:39So I think what they're saying is,

0:09:40this version of Mac OS X, which I'm running,

0:09:43it's not called Mac OS X anymore,

0:09:45is too new to run the application install Mac OS X

0:09:49from the volume Mac OS X 10.7.

0:09:53But that's a hot mess of a sentence.

0:09:55That's words in English.

0:09:57Well, I thought it might have meant

0:09:58that you could only run it from Mac OS X 10.7.

0:10:02I don't know.

0:10:03It's very confusing.

0:10:04Bellroy have launched a new Apple iPhone.

0:10:07Apple iPhone.

0:10:08My word.

0:10:09Have you guys heard about the Apple iPhone?

0:10:11I know the Apple iPhone.

0:10:12The Apple iPhone.

0:10:13The Mac phone.

0:10:14They've released a new Mac phone, iPhone 15.

0:10:17Oh, jeez.

0:10:19That mountain lion thing has firmed me off.

0:10:20Now I'm the mountain lion, right?

0:10:22Like I'm doing the same things over and over again.

0:10:25The mountain lion is coming from inside the house.

0:10:26Has released an iPhone 15 pro case

0:10:29that has an actual button for the action button.

0:10:32And I just wanted to see if this actual action,

0:10:35if this excited the two of you.

0:10:37And I wanted to maybe check in on your cases

0:10:40and also if you're still using the action buttons.

0:10:42That's too many questions.

0:10:43Pick one.

0:10:45Question number one.

0:10:46Are you still using the action button?

0:10:48I get what I want with the dull obvious question.

0:10:51Yes.

0:10:51What are you using it for now?

0:10:52Multi-button still the same.

0:10:55I got by default, creates a new task in things.

0:11:00And if I press it again, runs Apple frames.

0:11:04And I'm still working on finishing up an update

0:11:08to the shortcut that when you run the action button

0:11:11inside a compatible app, it does something else.

0:11:14So if I run the action button when I'm using things,

0:11:18it brings up a menu to do stuff with the selected task.

0:11:24Steven, what's your action button doing right now?

0:11:26It is tied to a shortcut that just gives me a text field

0:11:30and whatever I put in the text field becomes a task name

0:11:32for to do as inbox and it's automatically due today.

0:11:36But in the 17.2 beta, anytime I try to use this,

0:11:41but then try to dictate into it, it crashes.

0:11:45So I need to work on that.

0:11:47That's really good.

0:11:49I think that tasks are the best thing

0:11:50for the action button.

0:11:51Like adding to a to-do list.

0:11:52I think Federico, that was a genius idea that you had

0:11:55like a brainwave and it 100% played out to be correct.

0:11:59What are the two of you using for cases now

0:12:01and are you happy with your cases

0:12:03and is the Bora case good?

0:12:04Still the Nomad one, Nomad leather case

0:12:07holding up perfectly.

0:12:09Oh yeah, you're using a whole ween leather one, right?

0:12:12Yeah, yeah, because I hate the environment, yes.

0:12:15Wow.

0:12:16No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

0:12:17It's not what I was getting at.

0:12:18I was just saying you were using the fancy one.

0:12:20They're both leather, right?

0:12:21Yeah, I'm using the fancy one real bad for PlanetWear.

0:12:23Which one is it?

0:12:24Modern leather case, right?

0:12:27They call it, I think.

0:12:28I have no idea.

0:12:29They sent an email saying,

0:12:31"Hey, we have iPhone cases and I clicked buy."

0:12:34I have the non-horween leather,

0:12:36so the less expensive Nomad case.

0:12:40And yeah, I love it.

0:12:42It's like the Apple leather case, but better.

0:12:44And it's held up great.

0:12:47You're still caseless?

0:12:48Oh, of course.

0:12:49I like to live my life.

0:12:51Mm.

0:12:52You know?

0:12:52I have thought about, like what would it be like

0:12:55to use the fine woven case for a year?

0:12:57But I don't think I'd make it.

0:12:58I was with a friend the other day

0:13:00who uses the fine woven case

0:13:03and they've obviously had it on for,

0:13:05I don't know, a couple of months.

0:13:06Looked bad, looked real bad.

0:13:07I didn't say anything to them, but--

0:13:09Who was it?

0:13:10That case.

0:13:10Somebody we know?

0:13:11I won't, yeah, but I'm not gonna say.

0:13:13And it was real bad.

0:13:15It looked terrible.

0:13:16It really looked bad.

0:13:18It looked like the whole case had faded,

0:13:19is what it looked like.

0:13:20Oh my God.

0:13:21It did not look good to me.

0:13:22I mean, if you're enjoying your fine woven case,

0:13:24you know, go wild, you know, go woven crazy over there.

0:13:28But like, I don't think it looks good, you know?

0:13:32I think that it doesn't look good.

0:13:34And yes, I am relitigating the fine woven drama, you know?

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0:16:28- I have some bad news.

0:16:30- Okay.

0:16:31- Some long-term followup, really.

0:16:33We've talked about HomePods before.

0:16:37Federico's had many and sold many and bought many more

0:16:40over the years.

0:16:41What is your voice assistant of choice at the minute,

0:16:43Federico?

0:16:44- My voice assistant?

0:16:46- Yeah, like are you using Amazon stuff, using HomePods?

0:16:49What are you using right now?

0:16:49- I use the HomePod primarily.

0:16:52I have the Amazon Echo in the living room,

0:16:55but I only really use it to turn on the outdoor lights

0:16:59and close the shutters or open them in the morning.

0:17:03- Okay.

0:17:04- Is that so you can speak in Italian

0:17:05and don't look silly in front of your friends?

0:17:07Yeah, fair enough.

0:17:07That is a genuinely good reason.

0:17:10- But I just wondered what the difference was.

0:17:13'Cause obviously I know all these things, the home kit.

0:17:15- Yeah, as soon as Siri becomes multilingual,

0:17:19but I'm gonna get rid of that Amazon Echo.

0:17:22- The third of my three original HomePods has died.

0:17:25I'm now zero for three on my original units.

0:17:28- I have two of them.

0:17:29They're still fine.

0:17:30I've repurposed them here at the studio.

0:17:32Like, what are you doing?

0:17:33- I don't know.

0:17:34I've gotten, we were talking about the MPU forums

0:17:36the other day, like people are all over the place.

0:17:38Some people's have lasted forever.

0:17:40This one that just died was in the kitchen,

0:17:42got the most use of the three by far

0:17:45and lasted way longer than all of them, but it died.

0:17:49So I replaced it with a, like the navy blue HomePod mini.

0:17:53And it's fine.

0:17:54- So how many HomePod minis do you have now?

0:17:56- Bedroom, kitchen, two in the studio.

0:18:00And then we have a kind of a floating one

0:18:02on that battery dock that Federico brought

0:18:04to the show a while back.

0:18:05- That's quite a lot of HomePod minis.

0:18:06- So five.

0:18:07- That's a lot of HomePod minis.

0:18:09- They're great though.

0:18:10I mean, they're great.

0:18:12They don't sound like, it doesn't sound as good

0:18:13as the full one did in the kitchen,

0:18:15but I wasn't gonna go buy another full-sized one.

0:18:18So the mini it is.

0:18:20- Sorry for your loss.

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0:20:57It's Q&A time.

0:20:58It's a holiday week.

0:20:59We thought this would be a fun break

0:21:01from kind of the normal tech stuff.

0:21:03And honestly, people are only talking about open AI

0:21:06and it's impossible.

0:21:07- You've already heard that conversation a thousand times,

0:21:10so we're not gonna have it.

0:21:10- Yeah, we're not gonna have it on this show.

0:21:12We're gonna do some Q&A

0:21:13and I'm gonna start with a question from Ava.

0:21:16Ava asks, "What is each of your favorite Apple products,

0:21:20"hardware or software of all time?"

0:21:23- I have a short list of contenders

0:21:24and I'm hoping that in speaking them aloud to you,

0:21:27I might be able to pick mine.

0:21:29So, iPod mini, 'cause it's like, it's awesome

0:21:33and it's what drew me to Apple.

0:21:36I had a pink iPod mini that I loved.

0:21:38The iPad mini is just the best, right?

0:21:41Like over all of its iterations,

0:21:42I've enjoyed that product a lot

0:21:44and it's really good at what it does.

0:21:46The M2 MacBook Air is my favorite Mac of all time.

0:21:50And the iPhone 15 Pro Max is my favorite iPhone

0:21:54and I know that it's like the newest iPhone,

0:21:57but the newest iPhone isn't always my favorite iPhone.

0:21:59Like the iPhone 14, kind of boring.

0:22:02Wasn't a big fan of it, right?

0:22:04Looking at this list,

0:22:06the iPod mini would just be pure nostalgia,

0:22:08so I don't think I'm gonna go there.

0:22:09I think I'm gonna go iPad mini.

0:22:11I think it's like, for me,

0:22:13the best of all of the things that I like

0:22:16about Apple products and so I think I'm gonna go there.

0:22:19I'm gonna say the iPad mini

0:22:20is my favorite Apple product of all time.

0:22:23I had this list in mind,

0:22:25two hardware devices and a software entry.

0:22:32So I was gonna go with iPad Pro,

0:22:35AirPods and shortcuts in my short list.

0:22:39I mean, iPad Pro, because of course, shortcuts also,

0:22:44I don't think I need to explain this, but AirPods,

0:22:47and I'm not referring to any generation in particular here,

0:22:53but just the idea of just how much I've been using AirPods

0:22:57since the introduction seven years ago.

0:23:01- Multiple hours a day.

0:23:02- Multiple hours a day.

0:23:03How they simply created a market that didn't exist,

0:23:07a brand, redefined the whole category.

0:23:10So, and shortcuts, I mean, obviously it used to be workflow

0:23:14and then it was acquired by Apple.

0:23:16I am going to go with,

0:23:20I think it comes down to iPad Pro and AirPods for me,

0:23:22and I think I will still pick the iPad Pro

0:23:25as my favorite Apple product of all time,

0:23:27just because of what it did to my life.

0:23:29Like it really showed me the way

0:23:32of what I wanted to do with my career.

0:23:34And for all its problems, I still love using my iPad Pro.

0:23:39Like I really do.

0:23:40So mine is the iPad Pro.

0:23:43- I've got three old ones and one new one.

0:23:46The first one is purely emotional,

0:23:48the third generation iPod,

0:23:49the one with the red buttons no one liked.

0:23:51My first iPod meant a lot to me to get it

0:23:54and I used it for a long time.

0:23:5612 inch power book, didn't own one at the time,

0:23:59but it's like the super cool notebook from a long time ago.

0:24:04Software, is this more about the idea of the application

0:24:08than the application itself?

0:24:10But Aperture, like a professional photo app from Apple.

0:24:13Aperture had its issues, but I would still like photos

0:24:16to gain some more powerful features.

0:24:20And then the M2 MacBook Air is just so good.

0:24:25The design is awesome.

0:24:26There's really nothing to complain about in that computer.

0:24:29And I had one and then I went MacBook Pro

0:24:33from my only computer and got rid of the Air and I miss it.

0:24:35I wish I had room for an M2 Air in my life.

0:24:38- The cracks are starting to form.

0:24:40This is how it begins.

0:24:43- Maybe.

0:24:44- Steven just needs to verbalize something like that

0:24:45and then his entire worldview changes.

0:24:47- Also really liked my Mac Pro.

0:24:49Lots of good things.

0:24:50This is a hard question.

0:24:51- Pick one.

0:24:52Pick one.

0:24:53- 3rd gen iPod.

0:24:56- You picked the worst iPod as the best Apple product ever.

0:25:00- No, the worst iPod was the,

0:25:03well, maybe the worst full-size iPod.

0:25:05The worst iPod was the shuffle with no buttons.

0:25:07Come on.

0:25:08- I mean, that was just like its own thing, you know?

0:25:09It's just out there living its life.

0:25:11- Yeah, no one could use it.

0:25:12- So yeah, it's the humane pen before the humane pen,

0:25:17you know, like that's what it was out there doing.

0:25:18It was out there doing that.

0:25:20- Kariku wants to know, what did you have for breakfast?

0:25:23- Okay, so mine's a very particular one.

0:25:29So Silvia and I, we've been following a diet lately

0:25:32and okay, so I'm gonna try my best to describe this.

0:25:37I believe they're called the buckwheat crackers.

0:25:42This 100%, like it's not peanut butter.

0:25:46It's like 100% nuts sort of, how would you call it?

0:25:51It's not cream. - Spread?

0:25:54- Spread, yes, thank you.

0:25:56Yeah, and that.

0:25:57So just, and a coffee.

0:26:00And actually also like, and a glass of,

0:26:04again, 100% oat milk.

0:26:07That was my breakfast.

0:26:09- You have a glass of oat milk?

0:26:11You should drink oat milk?

0:26:12- Yeah.

0:26:13- Interesting, I've never known anybody to do that.

0:26:16I'm sure people do it, but.

0:26:17- We found a really good brand

0:26:19that it's just no sugar, no extras.

0:26:23There's a lot of like these oat milks that you can buy

0:26:27at like the supermarket that have either salt

0:26:30or sunflower oil in them.

0:26:33And this one is just water and oats, I guess.

0:26:36- Have you considered like,

0:26:38I know you drink your coffee as espresso, right?

0:26:40Like, have you considered something like a cappuccino

0:26:42with oat milk in the morning?

0:26:44- Silvia does it, I don't.

0:26:45- And you wouldn't want to do it?

0:26:47- No, I just prefer them separate.

0:26:50- Yeah, I understand that.

0:26:51It's just because you're drinking the oat milk,

0:26:53it's like, well, you could combine them,

0:26:54but if you don't, I can't.

0:26:55- She does it, she does it.

0:26:57- I think Silvia has got the right idea there, to be honest.

0:27:00- And I take my espresso with just one teaspoon of honey.

0:27:05I stopped using sugar months ago, yeah.

0:27:08- Steven, what did you have for breakfast?

0:27:10- I had a glass of orange juice

0:27:13and like a little oat bar kind of thing.

0:27:16- I don't eat breakfast, I had a latte.

0:27:18- What?

0:27:19- I don't have breakfast.

0:27:20- No, that's super bad.

0:27:21- So what was the first thing you ate today then?

0:27:23Did you have lunch?

0:27:24- I had some, like, they're called rivita,

0:27:27it's like a rye cracker with a Philadelphia cheese spread

0:27:30and a tangerine.

0:27:31That was lunch and that was at two o'clock

0:27:33in the afternoon, I think.

0:27:35I don't eat breakfast, breakfast gets on my nerves.

0:27:37Because look, for breakfast,

0:27:38all I want is things that are bad for me for breakfast.

0:27:40So if I don't have breakfast,

0:27:42then I don't have the things that are bad for me.

0:27:45- Bacon and pancakes.

0:27:46- Yeah, or just like cereal.

0:27:48So I don't have it.

0:27:50- All right, next up we have Peter.

0:27:52This question is about me, so I don't know how to--

0:27:55- I'm sorry, I didn't order them very well.

0:27:57- Peter asks, how does Federico speak such perfect English?

0:28:02Thank you, Peter, I don't think I do.

0:28:05- You do.

0:28:08Lots of practice, I would say, since I was little.

0:28:12Lots of video games, lots of TV shows, lots of books.

0:28:15TV shows and movies without subtitles

0:28:19and just being podcasting for 10 years at this point.

0:28:22So I mean, it would be concerning if it hadn't improved.

0:28:27- Your English is super good though.

0:28:31Like your English is basically perfect.

0:28:33Like, listen to me a minute ago,

0:28:35I couldn't even string a sentence together.

0:28:37- Oh, you had some linen stuck in your throat earlier.

0:28:39- I did, I did, that was the problem, right?

0:28:42- Yeah, thank you, Peter, appreciate it.

0:28:44- Nyleen asks, what's the worst--

0:28:46- It's Nylean, let me tell you.

0:28:47- Nylean, come on, Federico says it all the time now,

0:28:49you can do this.

0:28:51- Say it again.

0:28:52- Nylean.

0:28:52- Stephen and names, the permanent struggle.

0:28:56- It's so bad.

0:28:58They ask, what's the--

0:29:00- No, no, come on, you can do this, you can do this.

0:29:02- This is the American school system at work here.

0:29:05- Wow, wow.

0:29:06- Go for it.

0:29:07- Nylean.

0:29:08- Nylean, okay.

0:29:10- Plus.

0:29:10- What is the worst tech product currently

0:29:13in your possession that you still use?

0:29:16- This is such a good question.

0:29:17- Yes, and it's easy answer for me, the Amazon Echo Show.

0:29:21- Okay, why?

0:29:23- We just replaced it, which was good.

0:29:25Like we placed it with the little one.

0:29:26So we had like the old 10 inch one

0:29:29and we just replaced it with the eight inch one,

0:29:31which is great because the 10 inch one

0:29:32would just stop working.

0:29:34Like it would just stop.

0:29:36Like you'd ask it to set a timer

0:29:37and it would just restart.

0:29:41- Oh no.

0:29:42- That thing was really struggling.

0:29:44It was like a 2018 model or whatever

0:29:46and it was very unhappy.

0:29:49And we just replaced it.

0:29:50The screen is better, it's smaller, which I prefer.

0:29:52If we're gonna have to have it,

0:29:53I would like it to have less counter space.

0:29:56I do not want this product in my life.

0:29:58This is something purely that my wife wants.

0:30:04What I don't like about it is how much crap

0:30:07it puts on the screen.

0:30:09And I know that you can kind of get rid of the crap,

0:30:12but Adina wants a lot of the crap that's on the screen,

0:30:15which are effectively ads for how to do more stuff

0:30:19with the Amazon Echo,

0:30:20but she likes to ask it the questions it prompts to ask,

0:30:23like what's the dog breed of the day?

0:30:26Which is just like, who the hell cares?

0:30:29You know what I mean?

0:30:30Who cares?

0:30:31Like who cares what Amazon thinks

0:30:33is the dog breed of the day today?

0:30:35I will say it did say,

0:30:36it did ask me the other day to ask it

0:30:38what the Pokemon of the day was,

0:30:40which is I guess a real turning point for me.

0:30:42But I don't like this product.

0:30:44- Was it Lickitung?

0:30:45- I didn't ask 'cause I refuse.

0:30:47Yeah, I just, I think that they really dropped the ball.

0:30:52Like the only thing I like about it

0:30:53is that it shows me images, like from our photos.

0:30:57I upload photos from our vacations

0:31:00to the Amazon photo library thing,

0:31:04and it shows me images, but I wish I could get rid of it,

0:31:07but this is just one of these things that I'm losing,

0:31:09is a battle I've decided to lose in my house

0:31:12for the sake of harmony in the home.

0:31:13I'm gonna go with the MagSafe battery pack.

0:31:17- Yeah, it's a bad one.

0:31:18- It's annoying.

0:31:20If you have a Pro Max,

0:31:21it can't charge your phone all the way.

0:31:23And when I use it, I keep it charged, I keep it in my backpack.

0:31:26There are times that it has saved my bacon,

0:31:28but it's pretty bad.

0:31:31- I'm gonna go with the Apple Magic track pad,

0:31:34which I use with my iPad Pro.

0:31:38- Like the external standalone track pad?

0:31:40- Yeah, the external standalone.

0:31:41- Wow.

0:31:42- Have I told you guys what I've done?

0:31:45I don't think I have.

0:31:46- Oh no.

0:31:47- So. (laughs)

0:31:48- How many kickstands did you put on the track pad?

0:31:50- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

0:31:52Hold on, hold on, hold on.

0:31:53So you know I have this setup

0:31:55that lets me use the iPad Pro with the glasses at night.

0:31:59Right?

0:32:00I close the cover on top of the iPad Pro.

0:32:03I use that fake clamshell mode technique

0:32:06that I wrote about months ago.

0:32:08And I can just watch TV shows or read stuff

0:32:12with the glasses.

0:32:15So Silvio doesn't see anything.

0:32:16But of course I still need to control iPad OS.

0:32:20And so I told you guys I got a Magic Bridge

0:32:24from 12 South to hold the Magic Keyboard

0:32:27and Magic Trackpad together.

0:32:29And then I told you that I had gotten from Amazon

0:32:31those glow in the dark stickers for the Magic Keyboard.

0:32:34- Very janky glow in the dark stickers.

0:32:36- Very janky.

0:32:36Now let me tell you those glow in the dark stickers

0:32:38didn't last long.

0:32:40I hated that setup.

0:32:41- I'm not surprised about that to be honest.

0:32:42- I couldn't stand it.

0:32:43I hated it.

0:32:44I wanted to throw the keyboard out the window.

0:32:47- Would you not like the way they felt?

0:32:48- No, it just felt stupid.

0:32:50I was like, what am I doing here?

0:32:51Why do I do?

0:32:53In 2023, why am I using a keyboard

0:32:55with glow in the dark stickers on it?

0:32:57Like it's ridiculous.

0:32:58- Federico, it's a very good question to ask.

0:33:01- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:33:02But I had an epiphany.

0:33:04I realized, you know, there's this company called Satechi.

0:33:09And they make a keyboard that I believe

0:33:12is just about the same size as a Magic Keyboard.

0:33:17And I was right.

0:33:17Satechi, they make a keyboard called the Slim X1,

0:33:21which is a very similar footprint, asterisk,

0:33:25which I'll get back to in 10 seconds,

0:33:27to the Magic Keyboard.

0:33:29And it supports multiple devices

0:33:30and it's properly backlit.

0:33:33Now, when I say it's almost the same footprint,

0:33:36it was almost the same footprint.

0:33:40So long story short, I modded the Magic Bridge.

0:33:45- Oh no.

0:33:46- I had to cut some parts and I sanded it down.

0:33:50(laughing)

0:33:52And it works.

0:33:56Now I have a modded Magic Bridge

0:33:58that I personally sanded down

0:34:02and it holds the Slim X1 and the Magic Trackpad together.

0:34:07And it's, I actually, I think I did a pretty nice job.

0:34:12I smoothed out the corners and I had to use a knife

0:34:17to cut a bigger hole for the Satechi power button.

0:34:21But it's perfect now.

0:34:25I hate the Magic Trackpad though.

0:34:28I hate the fact that, I don't know if it's because

0:34:31Apple has patents on multi-touch trackpads,

0:34:35I don't know what it is.

0:34:36I hate the fact that there are no Windows equivalents.

0:34:40Like there are no third party trackpads, essentially.

0:34:46Like the Apple Magic Trackpad is the only accessory

0:34:50that exists in its category.

0:34:52And I hate that this is our reality.

0:34:55I still have to use it because I cannot come up

0:34:58with anything else that supports,

0:35:01that is not a mouse, right?

0:35:05Because I don't have the space on my lap

0:35:09for a mouse at night.

0:35:11I don't have the surface to put it on.

0:35:15I gotta use a trackpad.

0:35:16I gotta use the Apple Magic Trackpad.

0:35:18I hate the fact that it doesn't support multiple devices.

0:35:21I hate the fact that it charges via lightning

0:35:24and I still have to use it.

0:35:26So that's my answer.

0:35:29- So you don't hate the product,

0:35:30you hate the strategy around the product?

0:35:33- The product, yes, I guess.

0:35:37That would be a good way to frame it.

0:35:39The product itself is very good.

0:35:42The multi-touch gestures are very good

0:35:44and it is arguably the best external input device

0:35:49for iPadOS.

0:35:51But I mean, the lens, I had to go to make this happen.

0:35:56- I'm just glad you didn't have to sand down your trackpad.

0:35:59- I hate this product because of the weird things

0:36:02I've wanted to do.

0:36:04That is a very interesting framing on this.

0:36:08I hate the Magic Trackpad because when I'm in bed at night

0:36:11using my X-Real AR glasses,

0:36:14I need to use lightning.

0:36:18- One day, one day, one day you will tell me,

0:36:21T-Chi, you were right about consuming content.

0:36:25We are glasses, today is not that day.

0:36:28- Federico, Federico, I'm not accepting that.

0:36:30I'm not accepting that because you use the X-Real glasses

0:36:34that now you're like a prophet of everyone

0:36:37should use glasses for their content.

0:36:38- I am a digital prophet.

0:36:40This is a thing from a long time ago,

0:36:42like the idea of glasses for content.

0:36:45- Yeah, but I do it in a special way.

0:36:47- You sure do.

0:36:48No one's gonna argue that.

0:36:50- Oh, Mary's here.

0:36:52- Hi, Mary.

0:36:52- Hello, you have to come talk in the microphone.

0:36:55- Hey guys.

0:36:56- Does Mary know that that's in the podcast?

0:36:57- She's taking the last calendars to the post office.

0:37:00- I am gonna do that.

0:37:01- Enjoy the post office.

0:37:03- Mike says, enjoy the post office.

0:37:05Do you have any headphone takes

0:37:06to share with the audience this week?

0:37:07- I was just about to ask,

0:37:08are there any new headphones coming out?

0:37:11- We'll see.

0:37:12- She's ready, at a moment's notice.

0:37:13- Keep me posted.

0:37:13- We'll get to you on the show next time.

0:37:14There's some new beats.

0:37:15- Official beats correspondent, Mary Hackett.

0:37:18- The other night, Mary came in.

0:37:20She's just dragging calendars across the floor.

0:37:25She came in from the garage and she said,

0:37:29"Oh no, I've lost one of my earbuds."

0:37:30It was on my iPad case and I carried it in from the garage.

0:37:33And when I say it was raining outside, it was like a flood.

0:37:37It was raining so hard.

0:37:39If you dropped your earbud in the walkway,

0:37:41it's dead forever, right?

0:37:43This is the problem Adina has,

0:37:45just leaving AirPods laying around.

0:37:46I don't know what it is with these people.

0:37:48You gotta put it in the case when you're not using it.

0:37:50- I was outside, the case was inside.

0:37:52I only kept one in.

0:37:53- Take the case with you.

0:37:54- But I can hear you if you need me.

0:37:56- This is a real-time follow-up that you're getting.

0:38:00- It's actually happening.

0:38:01It's like in stereo.

0:38:02This is like stereo follow-up.

0:38:03- The follow-up is happening.

0:38:04The follow-up is coming from inside the house.

0:38:06(laughing)

0:38:08- Okay, next question comes from Ryan who says,

0:38:12"Why did you choose to rebrand the show

0:38:14from the prompt to connected when you started Relay?"

0:38:16- I don't know, because then Benjamin was gonna sue you.

0:38:19(laughing)

0:38:21- Okay, do you wanna go to the next question?

0:38:23Just leave it there.

0:38:24We got to the next question.

0:38:24Federico, short question.

0:38:26- James wants to know,

0:38:28"What is your current setup for music listening?"

0:38:31Oh boy.

0:38:32Mike, you go first.

0:38:33- So when I'm at the studio, I have just one HomePod mini.

0:38:36I have my two HomePods, but they're for the TV,

0:38:39and so I just leave them to do that.

0:38:40So I have them plugged into my TV.

0:38:42But really when I'm listening to music at the studio,

0:38:45I'm only ever doing it when I'm sitting at the desk

0:38:47where I'm like doing my work for the day,

0:38:49and a HomePod mini on that desk more than suffices,

0:38:52'cause then I also don't wanna be a pest

0:38:54and have music too loud.

0:38:56At home, all Sonos, every room, all over the place.

0:38:59Sonos, Central, over there.

0:39:00- Did you see that they're gonna do headphones next year?

0:39:03- I did see that, and I'm intrigued.

0:39:07I don't think- - I'm actually intrigued too.

0:39:09I am.

0:39:09- I don't think it would be for me,

0:39:12but I also know how good that company is

0:39:15at making products, so I wouldn't rule it out.

0:39:17Like, I think it could be, I'm very interested.

0:39:21- Does Sonos support regular AirPlay?

0:39:23- Yes. - Yeah.

0:39:25- And Bluetooth.

0:39:26- If they had like AirPlay headphones,

0:39:28they'd be pretty- - No, they would just

0:39:29do Bluetooth. - Pretty sweet.

0:39:29- They would just do Bluetooth.

0:39:31You don't need to do AirPlay.

0:39:32I mean, yeah, they could do AirPlay,

0:39:34but they would just do Bluetooth, surely.

0:39:35- So Sonos is gonna have headphones out

0:39:39before the AirPods Max get a revision.

0:39:42- That is very possible.

0:39:43- I think it is, yeah.

0:39:44- That is very possible.

0:39:45I was feeling the lightning hate

0:39:48that you had last night, Federico,

0:39:49when I got my AirPods Max out to charge

0:39:51for going on the plane, and I was like,

0:39:53"Oh, now I need to find a lightning cable."

0:39:55- Yeah.

0:39:56- That was good times.

0:39:57- I really dislike that I gotta keep

0:39:59one of these stupid cables around,

0:40:01because they're still accessories that use them, yeah.

0:40:04- We still have them around,

0:40:05because Adina needs to charge her AirPods.

0:40:07She has three pairs of AirPods Pro.

0:40:10I don't even know if I need to get into that.

0:40:13And so we're not gonna replace hers.

0:40:17We're not buying three pairs of AirPods Pro 2

0:40:19to replace the AirPods Pro.

0:40:20So she's gonna have to keep using those

0:40:22for a while, I think.

0:40:24- My simple answer is that

0:40:27I have a HomePod mini with a portable--

0:40:29- Simple answer.

0:40:31- So I have a HomePod mini with a portable

0:40:33charging base that we spoke about a few episodes ago.

0:40:38I have AirPods Pro,

0:40:40and I recently,

0:40:44no, actually it was like a couple of months ago,

0:40:47been using them and I really enjoy them.

0:40:49I have the Bose QuietComfort Ultra wireless headphones.

0:40:55Again, I didn't wanna use AirPods Max anymore.

0:40:57I've been trying to get rid of lightning

0:41:00everywhere in my life.

0:41:01And so I really enjoy and I recommend the QuietComfort Ultra.

0:41:06I tried the Sony XM5 first and I returned them.

0:41:11Wasn't particularly a fan of the design and the sound.

0:41:16The Bose ones, this came out this summer,

0:41:19I believe they're excellent.

0:41:20I really, really love them.

0:41:22And they support pairing to two devices.

0:41:25That's my, the simple answer.

0:41:27Just a HomePod mini, AirPods Pro for something super compact

0:41:30or wireless headphones if I wanna have something more

0:41:34with noise cancellation.

0:41:36The more complicated answer is that I have my whole setup

0:41:39over here and I have a DAC,

0:41:44which is the Matrix Audio X Saber 3.

0:41:47I have a headphone amplifier called the Wells Audio Milo,

0:41:52made in the US.

0:41:54I imported this thing years ago and I love it.

0:41:58And my go-to headphones are the Abyss,

0:42:02the Diana Abyss and the, my favorite arguably

0:42:09are the iFi Man SOSVARA.

0:42:12These are audiophile headphones.

0:42:16I have my whole setup with Roon running on my Mac mini server

0:42:20with my personal music library.

0:42:22That's for, and I have my comfortable chair here

0:42:25in the office where I can just sit down,

0:42:27listen to music and all of that.

0:42:29But most on a daily basis, most of my music consumption

0:42:34is iPhone, AirPods or the Bose headphones.

0:42:39- So for me, if I'm in the office,

0:42:40it's just the studio display and AirPods Pro for on the go.

0:42:45And then, you know, HomePod mini

0:42:48scattered throughout the house.

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0:44:55All right, Patrick asks, if you could choose one company

0:44:59to be acquired by Apple, what company would you pick?

0:45:03- Dropbox, because I want it to be good again.

0:45:06And between Dropbox and Apple, they're both making it bad.

0:45:09So let's take Dropbox, make it good again.

0:45:13- Let's make Dropbox great again.

0:45:16And Apple's the one to do it.

0:45:18- Enough.

0:45:18- Thank you.

0:45:19Someone had to stop me.

0:45:21- Belkin, so Apple can finally make accessories

0:45:24that make sense.

0:45:25- Belkin's a good one.

0:45:27- That would be really good.

0:45:28I'm gonna go with both of y'all.

0:45:30I think Dropbox and Belkin are both really good answers.

0:45:33- Wow.

0:45:34- I think that's good.

0:45:34- I could hear the stalling when you were saying

0:45:36how good Federico's were.

0:45:37I wasn't expecting you to just straight up bail

0:45:39on the question, but.

0:45:41- I don't know, I mean.

0:45:42- Appreciate the attempt.

0:45:43- I don't know.

0:45:45Those are both really good.

0:45:46- Thank you.

0:45:47- You're so kind.

0:45:48- We appreciate it.

0:45:50- What has come out of connected or the prompt

0:45:53that you are the most proud of?

0:45:55- The fact that we never got sued by anybody.

0:45:57I'm keeping with that theme, yeah.

0:45:59No, actually I have a serious one.

0:46:02I was really proud when our work was on stage at WWDC

0:46:07with Tim Cook in front of it.

0:46:09- Great answer, such a good answer.

0:46:12- Yeah, that's kind of unbeatable, right?

0:46:14- Yeah.

0:46:15- Yeah.

0:46:16- That was pretty good.

0:46:20- Friend of the show, Tim Cook for the day, you know?

0:46:22I always enjoy our live shows.

0:46:252019 live show was fantastic

0:46:27and it changed the course of the show forever.

0:46:30- Was it the one with the tattoo?

0:46:32- The one with the tattoo.

0:46:33And it was ridiculous, probably unlistenable,

0:46:37but I had the greatest time.

0:46:39And I think we unlocked a new form for the show

0:46:44because of that live show.

0:46:45So it made me very happy.

0:46:48- We did something, something happened in that show.

0:46:50- We did a thing, we did a thing.

0:46:52- I think for me, it's the ability and opportunities

0:46:55we've had to talk to Apple or record at Apple after events

0:47:00and being invited as press to WWDC

0:47:05and the iPhone event this year, that's a big deal.

0:47:09And I know we all do things beyond Connected,

0:47:11but Connected itself has been part

0:47:14of all those conversations.

0:47:15And that's something I'm really proud of.

0:47:18- We've had a lot of opportunities unique to this show.

0:47:22- Okay, so next question got ready

0:47:23because this is a complex one.

0:47:26Zach wants to know, if you could add or change a rule

0:47:30for the Ricky's or Flex's

0:47:33without needing to consult your other co-hosts,

0:47:37what would you change?

0:47:39- I have a serious answer.

0:47:40- Okay, that's serious.

0:47:41- And I think it's something worth considering

0:47:44for some point.

0:47:45I would like to change the risky pick rules

0:47:49so we could actually score points during that round.

0:47:52- I agree.

0:47:53- Ryan later pointed out that the last points scored

0:47:57from a risky pick was in November, 2020.

0:47:59So it's been three years since somebody scored a point.

0:48:03So I think that this could maybe be something

0:48:06that we consider at some point

0:48:07in the not too distant future,

0:48:09that we change things up when it comes to what's risky.

0:48:14- I have something in mind here.

0:48:16And I think we could potentially more nicely balance

0:48:21the risky picks.

0:48:24If we relax the rules a little around,

0:48:29a pick needs to basically be totally new

0:48:34and cannot be present at all on any rumor blogs.

0:48:39And I feel like there's potentially something we can do

0:48:42in terms of, because going into Apple events,

0:48:46there's always something that has been rumored, right?

0:48:50But that not even 9to5Mac or Gurman are sure about it.

0:48:55I think we could make a decision and judge the pick

0:49:02and say, "Okay, is this risky enough?"

0:49:04If everybody is saying,

0:49:05"Look, there's gonna be a MacBook Pro at the next event."

0:49:09And it's pretty much a given, then okay, that's not risky.

0:49:14But usually, like this always happens,

0:49:17there's these new leakers and these like sources

0:49:22that you don't hear often,

0:49:24and they get picked up by 9to5Mac or MacRumors.

0:49:28And they say, "Well, according to this person,

0:49:30but they don't exactly have an established track record."

0:49:34Now, technically speaking,

0:49:35right now with the current rules of the risky picks,

0:49:39we cannot use those rumors

0:49:42because technically they have been rumored,

0:49:44even though they are risky because they come from a source

0:49:48with an unproven track record.

0:49:50So I think there's probably something we can do there.

0:49:53- 'Cause we are effectively making things up at this point.

0:49:56- You mean, are you insinuating

0:49:59that I did not have an inside source about the DAC?

0:50:02Is that what you're saying?

0:50:03- Yes, that is 100% what I'm saying.

0:50:07Federico, I like this.

0:50:08I think it's going to cause a lot more arguments.

0:50:13- Yes.

0:50:14- But I would be down for it.

0:50:16- But also hopefully points.

0:50:18- Yes, and I think one of the key things will be that

0:50:21we will need to provide more detail

0:50:25for these picks than the others.

0:50:27And I think it will be down to the details.

0:50:29Well, we will be in January doing the annual picks.

0:50:34So I think we should maybe, or Steven,

0:50:37if you would make a note

0:50:38and we can table this for discussion,

0:50:40I would ratify this rule change personally,

0:50:44'cause I think we should do it.

0:50:45Because we basically have a whole round

0:50:47that nobody can ever score points in.

0:50:49And so like, what's the point of the points?

0:50:53- That's a good one.

0:50:53That's what came to mind for me too.

0:50:55And I saw you had written in the document.

0:50:56I was like, yep, that's the one.

0:50:58I did not realize it had been three years

0:51:00since someone got a risky though.

0:51:02That's wild.

0:51:03- So it's time for a change.

0:51:04- Kate asks, so that OpenAI stuff, huh?

0:51:08We're not talking about OpenAI today.

0:51:10- No.

0:51:11- I do have a hot take though.

0:51:13- Please go on.

0:51:14- Yeah.

0:51:15I would vastly prefer if OpenAI

0:51:20had been absorbed into Microsoft.

0:51:22I feel like this technology is safer in the hands

0:51:25of a big company with more eyes on it

0:51:28than a company that's clearly unstable.

0:51:30The new board is all dudes, which is not good and is small.

0:51:34I think more eyes and more people working on this is better.

0:51:38And I wish that Microsoft had absorbed it.

0:51:41- Did Microsoft get their seat on the board?

0:51:43- I don't know.

0:51:44- I know they were asking for one.

0:51:45- It's wild to me they didn't have one before.

0:51:48Like what happened there?

0:51:49- It's the whole nonprofit thing.

0:51:51I agree with you, but I do feel like this whole thing

0:51:54has just meant Microsoft will have a much firmer grip

0:51:56over OpenAI than they did before.

0:51:58I don't think they're gonna keep allow,

0:52:01they're gonna allow for a situation like this

0:52:03to happen again because this tank, their stock,

0:52:07it was not even, right?

0:52:08So yeah, I can see what you're saying.

0:52:10And I actually think it would have been very interesting

0:52:13if Microsoft would have taken it,

0:52:14but I would be very surprised if they did not have much more

0:52:19power that they could exert over OpenAI now

0:52:21than they even did before.

0:52:23- What a wild weekend though.

0:52:24I mean just.

0:52:25- Aaron asked, do you think Vision Pro will impact

0:52:28how you do your work?

0:52:29- Yes, 100%.

0:52:32It's the one thing that I know will change

0:52:35in my work routine next year,

0:52:38because I have all the right conditions

0:52:41to make it an ideal accessory for me.

0:52:43I spend usually all afternoons by myself

0:52:48since Silve is at work.

0:52:51And I don't have anybody else but the dogs to judge me

0:52:56and the dogs, they love me, even if I'm wearing a headset.

0:53:00- I like how you, that's ideal.

0:53:03- No, it's like the dogs love me,

0:53:06even if I'm wearing a headset,

0:53:08which seems to suggest that there is someone

0:53:10that maybe doesn't when he's wearing the headset.

0:53:12- Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

0:53:14- Okay, fair enough.

0:53:15Just checking, just checking.

0:53:16- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:53:17Sometimes when I'm watching,

0:53:20I'm watching For All Mankind with the glasses,

0:53:23and sometimes Silve, she wakes up in the middle of the night

0:53:26and a couple of nights ago, she woke up,

0:53:27she looked at me, she was like,

0:53:29and she went back to sleep.

0:53:31She was like, she had that look.

0:53:35It was like, this guy.

0:53:37- It's like you live with a comment section.

0:53:41- Yes.

0:53:42(laughing)

0:53:48- You know, someone's gotta keep you in check.

0:53:50- Yeah, yeah.

0:53:51- We've quickly failed, so.

0:53:53- The question, the answer to this question is twofold,

0:53:57which is like one, yes, whether we like it or not,

0:54:00but two, like I am genuinely excited about it.

0:54:03Like I am, I can't wait.

0:54:05But whether we would want it or not,

0:54:08like it's going to have to change our work

0:54:10because this is what we do for a living.

0:54:12And so we have to just get with the program,

0:54:14but I'm excited about that program.

0:54:16- What do you think, Stephen?

0:54:17- I don't know.

0:54:18- You don't know.

0:54:19- I'm honestly nervous that it's going to be a product

0:54:22that's not for me and that's going to be bad for me,

0:54:25career wise.

0:54:26- I think that's what I'm saying, right?

0:54:28Like it kind of doesn't matter.

0:54:30Like you could make that choice

0:54:31if you were just a person, right?

0:54:32But you kind of don't really have a choice, right?

0:54:35Like at least for the first year or whatever,

0:54:37you're just going to have to like deal with it,

0:54:39which isn't nice, but like it's your job, right?

0:54:43Like people want it from you.

0:54:44They want the content, they want that Stephen take.

0:54:47- Yeah, Stephen take is nausea, you know, potentially.

0:54:50- But there will be a, I mean, okay, excluding that part,

0:54:54right, like if you're able to physically handle it,

0:54:56like people will still want a contrarian take on it,

0:54:59which you'll be able to provide if you're not like into it,

0:55:01but you're still going to have to like absorb yourself in it

0:55:04and like do the thing.

0:55:05- Yeah, time will tell.

0:55:07- Next question comes from CCRNL.

0:55:11- external kernel.

0:55:13- The kernel, I think it's the kernel.

0:55:14I think it's Colonel Sanders.

0:55:16And they ask on the most recent episode of analog,

0:55:20Casey said he was thankful for where his computing life is

0:55:24these days.

0:55:25How do you feel about your computing lives

0:55:27at this point in time?

0:55:28I don't know, I love mine.

0:55:30I have the iPad, got my glasses.

0:55:33I honestly love where I'm at at this point,

0:55:37except for those accessories that I mentioned

0:55:39a few minutes ago.

0:55:40- And maybe iPad hardware.

0:55:42I mean, it's fine as it is.

0:55:45It's not like it's bad.

0:55:47- It's not bad.

0:55:48It's just, it's kind of boring

0:55:53because it hasn't changed at all in five years.

0:55:55But it's not, I mean, it's the big iPad pro

0:56:01is a pretty good computer.

0:56:03It's just, it's reliable is what I will say.

0:56:07It's reliable and sure iPadOS could do more,

0:56:10but I really do like the combination of what I have right now

0:56:15between the iPad and the studio display

0:56:17when I'm at my desk and the glasses

0:56:18when I want to use the glasses.

0:56:20And then if you look at, like,

0:56:23I love that I'm surrounded by portable consoles,

0:56:26like handhelds.

0:56:28I love that we're living in a handheld revolution.

0:56:31And even though it's technically not computing,

0:56:34I mean, those things are computers.

0:56:36So yeah, I'm pretty happy, I would say,

0:56:40but really optimistic for 2024.

0:56:44That's how I would describe it.

0:56:46- I'm very happy with my computing is right now.

0:56:48I have like very good set of devices and I'm very content.

0:56:51- Yeah, same.

0:56:52I mean, Apple Silicon has been such an amazing move

0:56:55on the Mac and the iPhone 15 Pro Max is an incredible phone.

0:57:00Mike, like you said earlier,

0:57:03one of the best ones in a long time

0:57:06and even things like AirPods, right?

0:57:08Like they're amazing.

0:57:09And I really have nothing to complain about

0:57:13computing wise at all.

0:57:14Ryan asks, what is your favorite album or song

0:57:17that was released in 2023?

0:57:19- I would like to recommend an album called Bewitched

0:57:22by an Icelandic artist called Laufi.

0:57:26The best way I can describe Laufi's music

0:57:29is it sounds like they stepped into a time machine

0:57:31from the 1950s and then just appeared now.

0:57:35I will recommend a song called From the Start

0:57:38from this album.

0:57:39If you listen to that and like it,

0:57:41you're gonna have a good time.

0:57:42I don't know if I can pick just one.

0:57:44I will go with song, Now and Then by The Beatles.

0:57:48- Oh.

0:57:49- Just because I love everything about it.

0:57:51- I have a very Federico take on this song, I think.

0:57:54- A very Federico take.

0:57:55- I have not listened to it

0:57:56because the thought of it makes me too sad.

0:57:58- Oh no, it's a very good song.

0:58:01- I'm sure it is, but just there's something about this song

0:58:04that just the pure idea of the song makes me sad.

0:58:07And I feel like that's almost something

0:58:08that I could imagine you saying, so I've yet to hear it.

0:58:11- Interesting.

0:58:12For album, I am very much torn at the moment.

0:58:18For now, I will go with Boy Genius, The Record.

0:58:21It's up there.

0:58:23If this is not gonna be my favorite album of the year,

0:58:26it's probably gonna be either,

0:58:28I'm torn between Boy Genius, the new Blink-182

0:58:31and the new album by The Main.

0:58:35So it's probably that I'm gonna go with Boy Genius.

0:58:38- The new Blink-182 is very good.

0:58:41- Yeah, it's really good.

0:58:42- And just like so heartwarming to see them together

0:58:45for such a long time.

0:58:46But 1989 Taylor version is getting a lot of play in my house.

0:58:50So there's that going on too.

0:58:52- Obviously.

0:58:53- You're allowed to like it.

0:58:55- Yeah.

0:58:56- Shame around here.

0:58:57- No, it feels like you are-

0:58:58- I'm holding out for reputation.

0:58:59- It feels like this album is happening to you?

0:59:02- It is a little bit.

0:59:03- Okay.

0:59:04- But when reputation comes out, I'll be dead.

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1:00:23- Charles asked, if you could have one Apple product

1:00:26gain water resistance, which would it be?

1:00:28- AirPods Pro.

1:00:30- They're not.

1:00:31- Okay. - Okay.

1:00:32- Well, they're like sweat proof, right?

1:00:34Like I think if you dropped them in a bathtub,

1:00:36they're probably done.

1:00:37- Yeah.

1:00:38- Or at least it's one of these things where,

1:00:40'cause I know people put them through the washing machine.

1:00:42- All the time.

1:00:43- I think it's like one of these products,

1:00:44I know like OTJ did it recently

1:00:46for like the eighth time, I think.

1:00:47- Mm-hmm.

1:00:48- And he does it a lot. - True story.

1:00:52- He puts his AirPods in the washing machine a lot.

1:00:55It's one of these things where like,

1:00:56maybe you can put it in a bag of rice and it will be okay,

1:00:58but maybe it won't be, I don't know.

1:00:59- My Lion USB installer is probably not waterproof.

1:01:02- That's probably true.

1:01:04I would choose the iPad mini because when I take a bath,

1:01:08like Steven, I like to have an iPad mini with me

1:01:11to watch videos and I'm always worried

1:01:13that I'm gonna destroy my iPad mini.

1:01:15In fact, the other day I accidentally sprayed it

1:01:17with the shower head, so.

1:01:18- Oh no.

1:01:19- It was fine.

1:01:20I was very scared, but it was fine.

1:01:22- Did you do the thing where you started the tub

1:01:24and it was still diverted to the shower head?

1:01:26- Yes.

1:01:27And the shower head was aiming at the iPad.

1:01:28- Oh yeah.

1:01:29I always jump, every time I do that,

1:01:31I like jump back and scream a little bit.

1:01:33- Oh, okay.

1:01:35Little scream.

1:01:36You know, I can imagine you doing that.

1:01:38- And you're, you know, you're not dressed, right?

1:01:39So you don't wanna cause a scene, but.

1:01:42- I will go with just the keyboards in general.

1:01:47Just, this has never happened to me,

1:01:49but I always fear the thought of like,

1:01:52oh, I have this bottle of water next to me,

1:01:54or this cup of coffee next to me.

1:01:57What if I, like, and this knock on wood and everything.

1:02:00It's never happened to me, but like, I hate that thought.

1:02:04- I have dumped liquid into a laptop and destroyed it.

1:02:07- Very early on in Relay's life, you killed a laptop.

1:02:10- No, it was like three weeks before the company launched.

1:02:13I destroyed my MacBook Pro.

1:02:14- Three weeks before.

1:02:15- My name is T once, you know.

1:02:18- No, it's Federico.

1:02:19- What?

1:02:21- It's Federico.

1:02:22You said my name is T, but your name is Federico.

1:02:26- Where do you quit a Zoom call?

1:02:28- If you just, you just command Q, it will get you out.

1:02:33- How do you think your experience of tech compares

1:02:37to the experience your audience has?

1:02:40Do you think you're ever disconnected

1:02:42from what most people think about tech?

1:02:44And if so, does it matter?

1:02:46- I have an answer for this question

1:02:47I've been thinking a lot about.

1:02:49I think the answer is yes and no simultaneously.

1:02:53I think that by and large, we have access

1:02:56to much more technology than most of the people

1:03:00in our audience would even bother to have, right?

1:03:04Either by choice, like most,

1:03:05'cause most people don't want to have all of the technology

1:03:08in their lives that we have,

1:03:09or we just have the resources to be able to acquire it,

1:03:13whether financially or borrowed or whatever, right?

1:03:18But I feel like if I didn't prioritize having access

1:03:23to technology, my shows about technology would be boring.

1:03:28Like I think that no matter what people might say

1:03:32or think, if we did not have the new iPhones every year,

1:03:36we would not be able to intelligently talk

1:03:38about what is going on at Apple.

1:03:41So we're kind of locked in

1:03:44and I prioritize technology purchases

1:03:48over other purchases for this reason.

1:03:51So like there are things where I'm like,

1:03:52oh, I won't buy this or I won't buy that

1:03:54because I know I'm gonna have to save up to get this thing.

1:03:57And so as well, like coming up with weekly content is hard

1:04:02and having access to new products really helps us do that

1:04:06and do our jobs.

1:04:08And I understand that like it means that we are off kilter

1:04:13with the people that listen to the shows,

1:04:15but like you can just listen to us and choose

1:04:18if you want this technology or whatever,

1:04:20or make your own life choices.

1:04:22But as technology entertainers or journalists or writers

1:04:25or whatever you'd like to call us,

1:04:27we need to use the technology, have the technology

1:04:31and be able to talk about it.

1:04:33And if we don't prioritize access to these products,

1:04:37I don't think we're doing our jobs effectively personally.

1:04:39So that is my feeling.

1:04:41- I have an opinion here to build upon what you just said,

1:04:45which I agree with completely.

1:04:47And the thing is sometimes I hear people say,

1:04:50oh, I wanna read.

1:04:52And I think I've said this before on the show.

1:04:55Sometimes I see these folks ask for

1:04:59finally a normal perspective,

1:05:05like an average person perspective.

1:05:07And I see these people sometimes clamoring for a blog

1:05:12or a podcast from regular people.

1:05:14And see, the thing is, that's the kind of idea

1:05:17that works on paper.

1:05:19But I would bet, I would actually bet money on this,

1:05:24that you wouldn't really want a podcast or a blog

1:05:29from someone who doesn't do this for a living.

1:05:34And see, the thing is, what we do,

1:05:37whether it's categorized as entertainment or information

1:05:42or a combination of the two,

1:05:43ultimately people come to us

1:05:45and we're really grateful that they do.

1:05:47But I think if you really think about it,

1:05:50at the end of the day, it's a very transactional thing

1:05:53where people come to you

1:05:55because they're either looking for escapism

1:05:57or they're looking for information.

1:05:59Or again, a combination of the two, right?

1:06:00I wanna think about something else.

1:06:02And in the process, I also get informed

1:06:05about what's going on.

1:06:06And so I feel like once you lose that,

1:06:10once you lose that person who's very different from you

1:06:12and does this for a living and has all the latest gear

1:06:15and all the latest devices and is really into Apple,

1:06:18if you lose that, you ultimately lose the audience

1:06:21because nobody wants to listen to a podcast by my mom.

1:06:25And I use my mom, could be my friend, could be my neighbor,

1:06:29could be just someone does something else in their life.

1:06:33You will maybe listen to an episode and be like,

1:06:36oh, this is a really fascinating perspective,

1:06:38but imagine coming back every single week.

1:06:40And they're like, yeah, well, I don't know,

1:06:41I'm still using an iPhone 11.

1:06:43And I guess now they're doing the action button, who knows?

1:06:46I don't care.

1:06:47So yeah, I think we do have, my name is T,

1:06:52we are disconnected from the rest of the audience

1:06:55and that's exactly why it works.

1:06:58I think you all summed it up really nicely.

1:07:00I mean, I often compare what we do to like sports journalism.

1:07:05I think there's a lot of parallel there, right?

1:07:08Where we do, because we've been doing this a long time

1:07:11and worked really hard at it, we do have access to things

1:07:14and to people and to conversations that not everyone does.

1:07:18And it's our job to portray and to share those conversations

1:07:23and our opinions on things each week, right?

1:07:29And it is hard each week, but I see this feedback a lot.

1:07:34I see it a lot with MPU and I do struggle to understand it.

1:07:40Because if what we were doing is like a journalistic endeavor

1:07:45and I think it is to a degree, right?

1:07:49There's always a mismatch there, right?

1:07:51There's always someone who has the information

1:07:53or the opinion and sharing it with other people

1:07:57and that with it comes some level of disconnect.

1:08:01And I don't think that's bad.

1:08:04Now I think it's gotta be,

1:08:06I think we have to pay attention to it.

1:08:07I think we have to keep tabs on it.

1:08:09I think if we were, I don't know,

1:08:13something like flying around on private jets to WWDC

1:08:16and really disconnected with how normal people are,

1:08:21that would be a problem, right?

1:08:23But because we just cover technology, right?

1:08:26Like the three of us, almost everyone we work with,

1:08:29like where does the normal people

1:08:30in the rest of our lives, right?

1:08:31Like we worry about the same things

1:08:33everyone else worries about.

1:08:34We have families, we have partners,

1:08:36we have aging parents we worry about.

1:08:39Like the rest of our lives is I think very typical.

1:08:42It's just in this one area,

1:08:44we've been fortunate enough to take an interest

1:08:45and turn it into a career.

1:08:47And with that comes some weirdness,

1:08:49but I think in general and overall,

1:08:52I think we're doing a pretty good job

1:08:55at staying grounded in that

1:08:56while also taking advantage of the opportunities we have

1:09:00to make the best content we can.

1:09:02- Or the other way to think about it would be,

1:09:04would you go to a restaurant?

1:09:05- Go to a restaurant run by someone who sometimes cooks.

1:09:09(laughing)

1:09:12- I just want a regular cook.

1:09:13- I just want, okay, why don't we have restaurants

1:09:16run by regular people that sometimes eat frozen food

1:09:19and sometimes they cook?

1:09:20- There is also like the regular person argument

1:09:24kind of doesn't, that person doesn't even exist anyway.

1:09:26'Cause like inherent in wanting to write a blog

1:09:29or start a podcast and no longer a regular person,

1:09:32like they already have an increased interest

1:09:35in technology, like rather than everybody else.

1:09:40Man, the cook argument is like perfect.

1:09:44That is a regular person's kiss, you know?

1:09:48- AAAA asks, Apple gives Mac detachable touch screens

1:09:55but kills the iPad.

1:09:57Are you happy or sad?

1:09:59'Cause for you, the iPad's about the software.

1:10:02- I think I'd be sad.

1:10:03- And the flexibility of the hardware.

1:10:05- I think I'd be sad, yeah.

1:10:07I want iPads more than I want touchscreen Macs.

1:10:10- It just be sad because it means it was a decade long

1:10:15experiment that didn't work out.

1:10:17- Ryan asks, do you regret creating a plan of succession?

1:10:21- Wait, we have one?

1:10:22- Triple J.

1:10:23- Oh, that's not a joke?

1:10:25- No, I mean, it is a succession plan

1:10:27but there's no regret because nothing's ever come of it.

1:10:29Like they're just there in case we have any dumb

1:10:31and nothing's ever happened, but like--

1:10:32- I thought it was more like an sort of off the cuff,

1:10:35like, oh yeah, those guys are our successors.

1:10:38- Maybe we need to talk about the succession plan again.

1:10:41- Yeah.

1:10:42- I just read a quote from Tim Cook

1:10:44who was on Dua Lipa's podcast,

1:10:45which is just like a sentence that I've just said

1:10:47that I kind of can't believe I just said.

1:10:49- Yeah.

1:10:50- And he was talking about that they have like

1:10:53very deep succession plans at Apple,

1:10:56which you'd obviously assume him to say,

1:10:58but that he has no intent, like no desire,

1:11:03or like he doesn't want to go anywhere basically.

1:11:05Like he's all good, he's set and he's happy, so.

1:11:08- John Ternus is just waiting in the wings then.

1:11:10- Oh, and he was ready and you know, he's ready.

1:11:13He can't wait.

1:11:14- And finally, we have reached the end of this Q&A episode.

1:11:19Brans wants to know, since Relay began,

1:11:23what is the longest amount of time

1:11:25any of you have kept a single Mac for?

1:11:29- I had my iMac Pro for I think like four years,

1:11:33that might be it.

1:11:35- Yeah.

1:11:36- That was a long time, a long time product for me.

1:11:40- I had my Mac Pro for three, little over three years.

1:11:45And I would have kept it longer, but it was the,

1:11:48I need to sell this before it's worth nothing

1:11:51because this is a business, I do have to pay the bills.

1:11:55And I didn't have the luxury of letting it depreciate

1:12:00longer than it did.

1:12:01- I think mine was either the MacBook Air

1:12:06that I kept for a very long time from 2013.

1:12:10I mean, it's up there, it's five years.

1:12:16I think I had the MacBook Air for five years

1:12:18and then I had the Mac Mini.

1:12:20I used the Mac Mini as my main Mac from 2018 to this year,

1:12:25to 2023, so five years,

1:12:27until I got a MacBook Air with M2

1:12:30and the Mac Mini became my home server.

1:12:35So it's one of those two, usually five years would be the,

1:12:39I guess, the span of my computers.

1:12:43- Well, thank you all.

1:12:44- We have had some cues.

1:12:45- Yeah, we answered some questions.

1:12:48We got introspective, I feel just really weird now,

1:12:52but it's over.

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