00:00:00 ◼ ► Yeah I'm looking at the top for an astronomy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► and think it's Margot is the worst pod cast host of a show with top four ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► and I'm too nice a guy to say I don't understand how to tip has the patience of a saint I didn't just pick for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/8">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► like make him write it down in a piece of paper everything is number five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► What everything can't be number five and then within the fourth like this is my number one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► And then all these are tied for number two. That's not the top four works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► Show I was there and I like the back of the end of the episode you admitted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/28">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► and like explain like I realized that I'm I'm not able to even ball the simple formula in to like she's fine with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/31">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► You know. She can live with you. Well she she tolerates me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► Yes she does that it's like she's not even frustrated by it like the show is called top four. Pick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/40">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► I'm still bitter they didn't bring up transport I can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► I'm so angry you for that that it's not anything it's not your top far as their top four I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/49">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► but I know it's his top for example it's not as Probably that was probably number fifteen with every other game in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/54">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► existence. But I couldn't agree with you more John Mark and you've got to get a grip on the top four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/59">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► You just need to fight not right number one two three and four in the right words next to each one of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/66">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► So we've had to do tiptoes the test doesn't see how watch her do it if you need like she does such a good job she has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/72">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► list of all the ways you considered she's got her top four she has a reason but you're just like oh no T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► Shows like some of them. Well I like. I like this one a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► And then there's like these thirty four other ones that are somewhere down below. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Just going like talk you into like you know like change your mind halfway through the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/94">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► and she's like she's even called you on she's like you to stand up because I like that you know like no no no I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► changed my mind at this moment. The good thing she's on that show she's really caring you. I agree. So true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/102">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► John I love you I enjoyed what is an example I'm going to you know. All right let's start with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/112">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► We have learned that not only does this universe have many many many many many tap to click Wizards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/119">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► But as I believe John has phrased in the show notes. We have also found that there are quite a few C.E.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/126">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► Unicorns and it's kind of an oxymoron because the whole thing of unicorn is like the one rare. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/133">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► You know of course but there's a lot of them there are these not yours but anyway yeah. Lots of C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/139">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► Unicorns last show I expressed my general disdain for C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/143">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► and My frustration with it almost working like us that's the the good thing about it like it almost works it works some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/147">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► of the time. You can kind of had to work you can I think you have everything set up and is working perfectly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/153">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► And then things will go wrong in a way that you can't the bug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► And you maybe you'll never get all the I'm bored again that's been my experience with C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► Across many different manufacturers and many years. So I asked to anyone use C.C. and Have good things to say about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/165">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► And I did get a bunch of people tweeting that they have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► You know I have a mix component set up with components for different companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► and it works for me I have a complete Panasonic set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► and it works for me so probably maybe fewer than the top to click wizards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► but a surprising number of people are using C.C. and Are happy with a lot of them. It mentally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/185">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► We have fairly simple needs like they like I turn the thing on and it's what should i am put turned the thing on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/190">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► I think as the number of devices you connect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► Increases and as you have a greater expectations like not only does it have to just auto switch and puts and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/198">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► You know turn on the television stuff but do a bunch of other things in terms of changing surround settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/205">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► or whatever other things you can do that maybe it goes more I I maybe it's gotten better since I bought my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/209">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► and Receiver a couple years ago so who knows but anyway. If you want to be optimistic about C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/215">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► There are people out there who are using it successfully and happily and it's working for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► And Robert and thout wrote in to explain why C.C. Might be so terrible. He is a six designer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/225">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► What does that stand for guys is that it has a whole I don't remember off hand at the shoe. Nicely done. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/232">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► I can't leave it on others acronym of top my head. Australian Securities and Investments Commission Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/240">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► Kanchan specific integrated circuit Well you know how could I not pull that out I'm going to hold guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► All right anyway so nice again Janeiro with H.D.M.I. Experience and. He says the C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/250">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► Protocol is crappy because only a limited set of commands are defined in the protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/257">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► and the rest is entirely up to the manufacture of the device so there's a small set of commands that are defined. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/263">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► And then device makers can make up anything they want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► And so I assume Panasonic will make up a bunch of stuff that works with his own stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► and Sonny will make up stuff that works with his own stuff. And I top of that the spec for C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► Says even the defined commands you don't have to implement them they're not mandatory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► So even though they're a small number to find command you can extend them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/284">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► You don't even have to employ of the defined command you could for example implement your own volume up down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► or input switching that works with your receiver not implement the the standard want it to my two point zero apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/292">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► fixes this but I see my two point zero isn't how to. Yet on a lot of hardware. So C. C. Could get better and H.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/298">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► My two point zero because I have learned from the past that if you let the manufacturers do whatever they want with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► your protocol they'll do. Things that are not conducive to mixing components. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/309">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► And maybe not even conducive to make thing with their own components from from distantly separated by time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/314">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► And not having the defined command be mandatory like I don't know what kind of standard is that if you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/319">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► involve the blind man you make up your own commanded space with the Wild West. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► So that is the explanation for why people who had bad experiences with the bad experiences. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/329">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► All right moving on we had yet another. Excellent post from dear friend of the show underscore David Smith. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/336">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► David Smith blog posts are when he goes Spong King into data that he has gathered or can discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/345">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► and figure out little tidbits. Or perhaps confirm little tidbits that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► That know that people theorize or maybe don't even realize is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► And so the blog posts that is in question which relates to what we had lamented last episode is intitled sixteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/360">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► gigabytes is a bad user experience. And in this post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/368">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► Underscore goes through his homegrown analytics that he has in his very popular Apple audiobooks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/372">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► That's not a super duper duper nerdy app and so it's got a really good kind of installed base of regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/380">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► and he has these graphs of reported free space for sixteen gig Phones and. If you look at these graphs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/390">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► It's abundantly obvious that almost all these phones have almost no available free space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/399">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► And that just doesn't seem do it so I was it John that pulled out a couple of these choice quotes would you like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/404">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► Yeah so the first thing is like if you know this is these are just the customers of one application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/410">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► but it's not a super nerdy application but anyway. This is the premise of discussion as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/415">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► This is just among people who bought this one app from this one developer hoping it's representative of this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/420">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► best data we have. It seems like it could be representative of anything it might skew more nerdy. I don't know. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/425">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► This is among six and six plus customers only forty three percent of i Phone six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/431">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► and six plus customers have sixteen gig models. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► That's what I was getting out and all I show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► and I say it used to be that the most popular model of whatever Apple product was always the most expensive fanciest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/441">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► one and that started to change. I don't know this point a decade ago. But anyway. It changed and now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► Since Apple the mass market company and sells tons of other things I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► If he's going to skew more towards how you expect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/456">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► But even I was surprised to see that forty three percent of i Phone six X. Plus customers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/457">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► Got a sixteen gig model because that's the newest fanciest i Phone It's not like we're saying that the people buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/462">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► last year's of the year before phone or cheaping out. These are the people who want the new i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► And just wanted like I said the last show. Want to find the cheapest possible way they can get the sixteen gig model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► Now among the people with a sixteen gig i Phone six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► and six plus is thirty seven percent of them have less than a gig of space available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► and less than a gig of space available just basically full like less than a gig is almost anything can happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/484">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► And it could push you over the edge you are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/490">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► You know that's a point where I stand would start popping up dialogs in your face and saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/492">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► You're just looks like it's almost all you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► You know do something about that and the other theories like OK well fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/498">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► but I bet everybody feels of their phones well among people who have sixty four gig phones only one percent of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/504">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► So it's not as if space it doesn't matter cycling is on high we're all you just make the phone bigger all people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/511">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► There is a certain amount of stuff that people have or expected to encounter during the useful life time of the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/518">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► And according to the stats. If you have a sixty four gig phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► Only one percent of the people have basically filled it. And among sixteen gig phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► Almost forty percent have felt it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► And then finally taking these customers the ones who have a six and six plus who have filled it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/531">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► You know if you could multiplying the percentages the other half filled it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/539">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► There's a seventy percent of the customers of this audiobooks application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/542">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► Are basically walking around all day as a newsgroup as if with the like a built around systemically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and sword dangling over their head that I got that right. You know the big sort of swings back and forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► A ground ball. Is it the McLean I don't know. I'm going out on a limb here. Sort of Damocles. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/555">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► I don't even know that well. Yeah you can look it up Marco. At some culture. Yeah. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/561">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► Seventeen percent of the customers now is just representative of all i Phone users in the entire world we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/568">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► this again it's one developers customers for one kind of general interest app. Only the i Phone six Plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/573">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► But these numbers do not look promising like I I again I would think that underscores customers risk even more nerdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/579">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► because he moves in nerdy circles he is nerdy some of the out two thousand already but other ones are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/586">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► but I'm a plus plus and. The weather app and thought and the audiobooks opera just general. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► You know general interest applications. Yeah but we've said this for Apple has the real numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/596">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► We don't have the real number so that impairs our ability to definitively shame them for selling sixteen gave my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/601">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► but the little data that we have you know we're not Apple not sharing this information the day that we can glean Here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/608">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► some more support for the theory that a sixteen gig phone is not a good experience for users. Yeah it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/614">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► It seems completely obvious to me that this was a terrible terrible terrible decision and just like you said John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/620">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► You know we don't have all the data that Apple has. But. Gosh. I would love to see what metric. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/625">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► And if it's not something related to profit or margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/634">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► or something along those lines one of those businesses terms that are not very good with. Then the money money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/638">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► I don't want to know what. What this metric is if it isn't just money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► Because it seems so obvious to me that this is just terrible terrible terrible decision. I mean it's look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/650">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► I'm totally agree with you it's you can look at all the different possible explanations of why they might reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/657">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► but none of them are particularly strong especially for a very high profit product like the i Phone even at the sixteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/664">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► So the reality is Apple very well could ship that device with thirty two or even sixty four at that price point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/673">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► and barely affect the margins of that product at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/680">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► but I think the reason they do it as I said before is not because they can't afford to put sixteen gigs in a six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/684">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► hundred fifty dollar. Phone. Where is that what it is. It's not because of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/691">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► It's because if they did that it would hurt sales of the one of the hundred dollars more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/696">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► And so it would drive their average sale price down. In all likelihood So that is why it's not done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/700">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► If there is no any other explanation is really just grasping at straws trying to make an excuse that is the real reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/707">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► I completely agree. I could go on forever about this but I feel like we've kind of beaten this hordes beaten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/715">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► This horse I should say moving. Let's talk about the i Phone six S. Battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/720">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► We had I guess we had talked about it hit it getting a little bit smaller last episode is that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/725">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► One way or another it got smaller and. The numbers say that the i Phone six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► Had one thousand eight hundred ten million power battery the i Phone six S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/735">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► Has one thousand seven hundred fifteen so most exactly one hundred million power difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► And that is about a five percent loss. In terms of the new i Phones. Six S. Battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/744">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► Or I guess that's just the success I'm sorry not the success plus which is a little bit of a loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► but presumably the the different. Chips on the device and they did a shrink didn't say on this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/757">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► Yeah they did member in the keynote they wanted to say that it is shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/764">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► but they didn't like regular person speak instead of going to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► And so confused and confused all the nerds like with a thing they did it as they trying to say Shrink. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/771">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► I'm pretty sure that it is trying to make what the other thing to do very often is reduce the number of chips. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Get chips the combined functionality previously took two separate chips. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/781">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► I'm assuming that they can absorb a cyber Zen loss with combined with the shrink in the efficiencies of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Just a second crack at the same size form factor so it probably should be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► but again I don't want to put some hard numbers on like the last show I looked like that vibration tapped again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► when things become a lot of room well. Quantified and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Quantifying it looks like it's about five percent and by the way. These numbers are pulled from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/801">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► Apple's videos where they like Pan over the Arabs and show the battery. And on the battery is stamped the power rating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/806">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► And of course the i Phone six everybody knows from you know tear down and stuff so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/814">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► Although it does also leak before hand. This information leaked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/817">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► Weeks before actually that and I believe the leak was right on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/821">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► but you know I just give people the source because of the ever turns out that the video was wrong because someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/827">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► Photoshop that number on their English were wrong in the real battery is different than. You know. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/833">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► I mean one thing to consider all sorts of all this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/838">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► The five percent loss of rock a passage and saying it's the same battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/842">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► That could also even if you ignore any kind of component changes they made I was nine more battery efficient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/847">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► And so they could. They couldn't say. Oh it gets access our lives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► Just because it's a new US they do the same thing on the max of the laptops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/857">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► They also I don't know if they're if they're including in their battery runtime estimates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/861">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► If they are including the low power mode being turned on at ten percent or whatever it is twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► or ten the turns on the VAT is not automatically turn on it prompts you to turn it on and so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► But I'm I'm guessing if you want to fight a number a little bit really optimize your number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► They would probably do that and they could argue that's fair because most people would do that anyway so it could be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► It could be including those things where it wasn't before. So keep that in mind when you read the official estimates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/886">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► We'll see what happens in practice I am still very skeptical. I guess went to XO xo. And I took the six plus with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/894">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► And I've been using the six. All year except for one to kill another trip around of the series of trips. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► But I went back to the six plus for this trip for battery life primarily and. Wow It is glorious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/909">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► And I'm going back to the six. After a week of us expose again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► Oh my God it's so so bad I wish they would meaningfully improve the battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/918">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► But it's very clear that they think this is good enough. And I don't and so we just disagree on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/925">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► I will so I will say one thing though that. You know in on this battery topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/932">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► We've talked in the past about how the reason the phone might be this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/937">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► Skinny and light and have a mediocre rhetoric life is John I believe what you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/942">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► Term the naked robotic core theory which is that you know the ideal phone is really tiny thing that you can that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/946">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► small that you can put it in a case. If you want some other ability whether it's more durability more battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/953">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► Whatever whatever cases can offer. You can put it in a case to fix a chore comings of being small. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/959">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► And then if you want a really small phone you can just carry the naked Phone and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/966">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► So I looked after this trip over the last few days have been I've been trying to research i Phone battery cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/971">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► And I had one in the past and it was so big and clunky I never really used it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► And that medicine fit my current phone now but I look to see what's out there today and they're just so. So terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/982">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► And I feel like one of the biggest arguments against the naked robotic core theory is just how bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/989">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► All the other cases are like. If you want to give this phone. Fifty percent more battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/995">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► You have to add so much bulk. And so much size. Way more than if they would have is built in to begin with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► Plus it's this big like you know plastic thing with some stupid logo on the back to you that's so ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and tacky that no one's heard of from some some case company who cares right to care in the stupid logo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► And then you have this. And then you have like this giant plug in the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► The phone has to be extended by like a half inch. Just to have room for this plug and it's it's the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► It's the bulkiest most terrible decision ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and so this is I think like a huge strike against the naked robotic core theory is that by by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► By doing that by by going that direction. And but by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► Let's say you want more battery OK by battery case that argument falls apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► when all the battery cases are varying degrees of terrible. So I generally agree with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► I DO YOU HAVE A landmark battery case which I'll put the link in the show notes for what I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► when I know that I'm going to need some extra juice which is almost never the only time I took a CLI use it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► And when I go to football games when my phone is just desperately melting it's on battery trying to search for service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1071">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► And it is exactly as you describe it is enormous. It is bulky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► It is it was not cheap I don't remember how much it was it was cheaper than the movie was at the time and I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► I've chosen for more than just frugality I feel while so I chose maybe the batteries a little bit bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► It adds a crap load a bulk to phone that I still think is a little bit big for my taste. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► But that being said just today I got an email from movie where they have announced a new juice pack which is their line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► of batteries called the Juice Pack reserve and will put that link in the show no it's not just put in the chat room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► This one is a very very very slim line battery that does not looked ad very much baulked at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► In fact in the email which I don't have in front of me. They had him. They had. Here it is now in the same page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► They show that without the juice packets. Six point eight six millimeters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► And with this Juice Pack reserve it is fourteen point seven nine millimeters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► Whereas with the averages they say it are typical as they say a protective case. It would be fifteen millimeters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► So in other words. It is no thicker than a normal case you would put on your phone by whatever they define normal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► This actually looks extremely appealing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► and I would absolutely buy one if it wasn't for the fact that I already have a case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► So this might be the exception proves the rule. Generally speaking though I think you hit the nail on the head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► They are all terrible in huge and bulky and annoying. It is terrible and huge to people like us though. Like you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► I mean I think forget battery gays just think. Cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► We all see people with cases on their phones that we consider hideous and huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► and ridiculous I've seen people with non battery cases that are bigger than any battery case that I've seen that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► That might as well have like fins and wedges poking out of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► and people love them so there's no accounting for taste right so that set that aside. The thing I would say is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► As every time this comes up I say that there's a place in Apple's line for a phone that is thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► and has more battery life. That is not the six plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► They don't currently make that but if they keep diversifying maybe eventually they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► and that would satisfy Marco's need for Johnny I have to designed hopefully non tough long coated nice look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► PHONE OR DOES NOT to deal with someone else's things lapping onto or does not to deal with it extending the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► And all the things that he finds distasteful about it but I would say that people like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► and people like me are in the vast minority based on what I see on the world of how much people love their super ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► like a wallet credit card. You know a car jack combined. Whatever like bottle opener i Phone cases like seriously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► I thought of all the problems that you know that's. I would think that people consider that a feature like yours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► That is the one thing of the naked robotic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► or allows allows people to exercise their different tastes Let's say you know what your taste of the sticker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► Because the public melt of the thing because I get so warm as you noted when you used it without a case or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► It's Yeah I think I mean I've turned into a case first and with the six simply because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► And I guess use the Apple leather case because it's really slim and feels very good I always like the feel of leather. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► New title. Even that I because the six is just such a bad phone to hold and and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► I've I've heard rumblings that the new phone is significantly grip here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► But I have my doubts that you know because the shape like it's the same shape. And the six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► Is a problem for two main reasons. One is the shape one is the is the slickness of the metal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► And so even if they've made the slickness of the metal better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► The shape is such that it's still probably going to be very hard to hold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1300">TS</a>]
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00:24:15 ◼ ► So before we get off this topic. One thing I want to bring up earlier was the idea of an Apple brand as battery case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► Apple has been making him. Seems like more and more accessories lately. But yet as you know third party everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► But there's also first party. A lot of stuff that they brought the dock back recently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► The new one I think even has a headphone port on the back of it and you can get it in pink I mean excuse me rose gold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► It's so pink just own it. Just say it's pink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► I haven't seen them person yet I assume it's pink in the same weight of the gold one of the gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► and the answer is like barely but anyway. No no no no no it's. It's really think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► Yes so I haven't seen the phone but I did go to the Apple store Sunday. Oh I should do this quick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► For well I'll get to that in a second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► Anyway once the up store Sunday saw the watch the rose gold watch it was pink it was not rose gold it was pink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► It's very much think. I mean it's. It does look like it's roughly the same saturation. As the gold. But it is you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► Unquestionably unashamedly pink. And I don't know why don't just call it pink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► If you would never look at this color and say that's rose gold. No it's pink and pink is great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► Why don't know why you why you wouldn't just own that. Yeah I think it looks good. I really honestly do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► So I agree with you anyway I'm sorry we totally hijacked your I thought here John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1528">TS</a>]
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00:27:12 ◼ ► Before we talk about our purchases from this past weekend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1632">TS</a>]
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00:27:25 ◼ ► And following along that is there was a crescent moon kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► In in the front facing camera believe they call it the Face Time camera on my i Phone six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1650">TS</a>]
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00:27:40 ◼ ► And so I took my i Phone into the local Apple store this past Sunday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1660">TS</a>]
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00:27:53 ◼ ► forty five minutes. He took my phone for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► Interesting Lee He forced me to turn off like not a jerky way he should say he asked me to turn off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1677">TS</a>]
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00:28:12 ◼ ► Why does that really matter maybe in case they screw something up and then a need to replace the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1692">TS</a>]
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00:29:00 ◼ ► When the lottery and get something that doesn't have any problems is like my old laptop like once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► I opened up by all that talk to replace the hard drive and. It's never been the same again. I'm not good at doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1746">TS</a>]
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00:29:15 ◼ ► but I'm always nervous about that in the smaller the thing gets the more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know they've got a better than I am but still. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1759">TS</a>]
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00:30:00 ◼ ► but that makes sense because they replaced the screen. But I had a couple of beta Absolutely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► Still work all the stuff that was once on my phone is still on my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► I mean maybe Apple can do like a bit for bit restore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1810">TS</a>]
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00:31:20 ◼ ► They kept it overnight and has had come back tomorrow so that will and you know what when I go in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► I try to avoid having service done on my current active on and. If I really do have to have a done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1886">TS</a>]
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00:31:41 ◼ ► Does it do easily tell you this Able all of your security on your device. And I say. No I'm not doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1901">TS</a>]
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00:31:56 ◼ ► It's terrible they make people do that and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► Whatever the reason is they should find a better way to do with it doesn't require that you know that they'll say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► well a certain tools won't run well then. You're Apple make tools that run like that you know you can do that.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► There's no reason to to get people to disable all the security. While doing a hardware repair that is complete B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► Well I think there might be some legit reason is because the whole idea is that there's no secret backdoor key to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1937">TS</a>]
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00:32:33 ◼ ► If it's a screen replacement Why do they need access to the software on the phone for a screenplays. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► They probably do want to do a full backup of your thing in case the guy slips of the screwdriver humbling and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► Cracked the chip on the thing and I had to give you a new phone and then you say but where is all my Dad I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1965">TS</a>]
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00:32:56 ◼ ► Went to went into the settings so my phone went to the i Cloud backup or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/1976">TS</a>]
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00:33:22 ◼ ► in ages why do you ask. He also didn't. If memory serves he did not expressly ask me to remove my pass code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2002">TS</a>]
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00:33:53 ◼ ► And the way the tipster is frustrated when I listen to him he says it was impossible to. Ring out he says a repair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2033">TS</a>]
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00:34:18 ◼ ► when it's green repair is over they want to make sure everything works. They want to be able to tap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► Things on the screen and if your screen is locked and it's going to like a race itself. After ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2062">TS</a>]
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00:34:42 ◼ ► I don't think it's possible for them to not ask you to undo some amount of security to do repair any kind of repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► even just a hardware repair just so they can verify that the hardware repair with accessible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► So it makes some sense maybe the geniuses aren't telling people because it's very difficult to explain why that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► need to do this whenever I've brought a Macin for repair. I've always just wipe the entire thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► I put in a single account. Username Apple password Apple on entirely raced hard drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► I take out all my third party ram like I've you know. Back in the day. If I brought something to the Apple store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► It's just so much easier to do that when you know to deal with anything like that sometimes I put in a new hard drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2118">TS</a>]
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00:35:29 ◼ ► when they're cranky about third party ram like here you go over the box stock computer with no date on a single account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► called Apple Apple. How about it and Marco's Marcus basically you have the stones. And it is annoying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2133">TS</a>]
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00:35:50 ◼ ► and you know to wait for your apps to restore over the course of several hours from the App Store. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2150">TS</a>]
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00:39:14 ◼ ► I for one am in for two phones. Bought or a pre ordered. Erin a rose gold. Sixty four gig i Phone six S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► And I pre-ordered myself a space gray. Sixty four gig i Phone six S. I'm not part of the plus club. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2364">TS</a>]
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00:40:01 ◼ ► Of the six plus. So I was really on the fence. What However you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► So I moved all my stuff over the night before I left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2407">TS</a>]
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00:40:17 ◼ ► Nope not a boy so Mike was wrong for me. Yeah I mean. So there's a number of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► You know this explode as I said there are a lot of benefits to it and if you can use it and hold it comfortably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► Then more power to you it is a great device for a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► What didn't do it for me is two things number one and it's not how big it feels in the hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► I got used to that last time. It's fine. What it is for me is the size in the pocket. Which is a big deal and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► If you. I'm not a phone on the table kind of person. I keep my phone in my pocket. If I'm sitting down somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► So if I need to use my phone or check my phone or something. I'm taking it in and out of my pocket. A lot right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► It's like taking a dinner tray out of your pocket like it is so I thought so it's very clumsy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► To to enter moves and secondly. What's another thing that's weird about the six plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► Is that a lot of apps that don't normally rotate on the six. Do rotate on the six plus. And when they do rotate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► They go into this like weird. Like miniature I've had now I've had many I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► This this nano I've had mode where they will use a split view the way i Pads doing this is part of the whole universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► thing now you know I know Howard Smith take a side it considers it like a mini i Pad and so you'll have a disk this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► Cramped. Weird tiny. I Pad like split interface and a lot of apps. When you were take them and I did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► I found that rotates more easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► I don't know maybe just happy to do it maybe I just wasn't used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► but whatever I use the six plus it's constantly rotating. When I didn't want to and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► I tried rotation lock but like you know then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2523">TS</a>]
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00:42:09 ◼ ► And I found that even. Even you know I'm used to the. I Phone six and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► I don't have these problems on the section I haven't has problems in any previous i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► Including ones I wasn't used to look like when I first got the six. And it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► I'm going up a size so I'm not used to holding it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► I didn't have these problems with that so I know it isn't just I'm not used to the six plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► It's just that the six plus like springboard rotates lots of inverted and they do in a weird way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► and so I I just found I found it cumbersome. In those two big ways and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► So those are important enough especially the pocket size. Those are important enough that I couldn't do it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► In the future you know Apple likes to make things. Dinner and smaller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► So if they can like shave off more of the margins I don't know I mean. It is heavy but it doesn't matter if they can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► If they somehow like if we ever get like the borderless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► I Phone the like that loses the chin on the top and bottom you know somehow. God knows how. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► But if they somehow do that then I would consider it again. But as of now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► It's just too big for me you know way for a flexible one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► That's a very annoyed me most about even a sex I finally got to unfold your phone just curves like the six I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► uncomfortable in my pants pockets because it is so like should stay is flat it doesn't conform to the ship my lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► anything it kind of stretches the pants out a little bit. So flexible and probably in our lifetime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► Hopefully will say dad John did your family buy anything. No didn't buy anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2615">TS</a>]
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00:43:44 ◼ ► when people first are tweeting about it now. I'm not like. And here's the reason not just because I'm not getting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► I mean I was probably going to get a success but we're not in a hurry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► She's actually I think you've got a couple more months before she can actually get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► Let me go to the Apple store and look at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► But the final reason and the same reason I always sort of hold off on these things with a few regs options. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► Is you get the first one you get crescent moon it's like anything anywhere manufacturing the fact that we tap the tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2644">TS</a>]
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00:44:15 ◼ ► find all those problems I have a six but I didn't buy a launched I bought it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2655">TS</a>]
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00:44:31 ◼ ► And so far no other problems with my phone so that is my strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► but I'm not even getting a sex my wife is going to get a six plus but not imminently. Well six after six plus sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► Success Yeah. Other stupid names they're killing me. I just want to make sure we all agree that Mike was wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2681">TS</a>]
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00:45:02 ◼ ► I've been kicking around the idea of getting the new i Pad Mini What is that whole i Pad mini for is that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► Yeah the weird IO by the way. Quick follow up I was wrong about the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2708">TS</a>]
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00:45:18 ◼ ► and the many for except for screen size. That is wrong. The the mini four has an UK has an up close to eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► Processor. So it is slightly faster than an i Phone six. In benchmarks.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► The end and that's a dual core processor the heir to. As the eight X. Which is a triple core processor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► And so the at various benchmarks and stuff that we've seen so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► The the I've had many for is faster than than the Mini three it is a nice chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► but it is very close to the performance of of an i Phone six and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► Not very close to the much higher performance of the air to. That's correct. And so I thought about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2753">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► We'll replacing my beloved red the Pad Mini with a new i Pad Mini four. And I haven't pulled the trigger yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► And part of that is because I just spent seven hundred dollars whatever it was on to completely contract for the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2770">TS</a>]
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00:46:23 ◼ ► it's. It was the most frugal it's just what I wanted to do. Please don't email me. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2783">TS</a>]
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00:46:32 ◼ ► but the other reason I haven't done it is. I'm kind of bummed not surprised. Bombed that three D. Touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► Hasn't made it to the i Pad yet. And I want to wait. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► If I can now last time I saw this was about the watchman saw how well THAT worked out but I want to wait if I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► and see what treaty touch is all about and see if I really like it and see if it's see if it's like earth shattering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► and just completely life changing and if it is then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► Maybe I'll just hold out for Hopefully next year when i Pad's get three D. Touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► Although we'll see what ends up happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► Knowing me I'll probably buy it for myself like a Christmas present or something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► But for now for the next at least a few weeks I am holding off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► Alright any other thoughts about Saturday morning purchases. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► Oh the other thing I actually want to ask you guys did you hear anything about really really bad inventory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► Issues like there were last year with the i Phone six because I did not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► It seemed like the inventory was considerably better for this year than last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► and I don't know if that's because most people are not on the a cycle. I don't know if it's because they were fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► You know last year we finally got the bigger phones that some of the people have been clamoring for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► But I did not hear any big grumbling about oh I really wanted the blog but it was sold out by the time I got through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► Cell numbers are bigger this year than last year so it's not like you know what they're saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► So far rumors whatever is that they're selling even more than they saw last year I think it's just that they had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► lead time to build up inventory and. Why they have more lead time because this is an S.C.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► Not making entirely new phone an entirely new shape. And you know. So that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► If they're going to have a year where they have more inventory it's going to be an S.C.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2899">TS</a>]
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00:48:27 ◼ ► and that the scheduling just worked out yeah example although some people are saying that if you went to a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► carriers Web site a lot of those had really crappy dates for like when you're going to get your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► And that's just like however. Apple is distributing the inventory they do make and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► Presumably they're keeping us there from selves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► So yeah the but that was speaking of staying up late and ordering a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► I did see tweets from a bunch of people who like I didn't stay up late I just woke up on an all time in the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► and I got on line or my phone and it was still in stock and it's going to come right away and you know. Was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► Yeah I mean the morning after that after the launch like the. You know later that morning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► Nine hours later or whatever I looked at all the all the configurations I was curious and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► The only one that was showing any delay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► and it was only a small delay was the six plus in some of the colors including the new pink one. The regular sex. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► Even the pink one was fine. And actually so I guess look right now. If you can if you could Apple's site right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2957">TS</a>]
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00:49:39 ◼ ► No I didn't see all those tweets about us part of the fun part of the fun of you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► As as a tipster saying that at RIM don't treasure that next year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► I don't know you never know it all depends on how many good they make before they went on sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► and that's a factor of scheduling and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► You know the timing of the whatever event they're going to have and everything else they have to announce. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► And you know any glitches in manufacturing and blah blah blah. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► So this is a good year for everyone to get their phones. I just hope you don't all have the whatever the new iteration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► Rather new incarnation of the crescent moon is broken home button. We could have to click. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► Whatever you will say as a tactic engine that may or may not work etc etc. All right so speaking of new purchases.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► Marco did you purchase anything recently that was very very very cheap. For one dollar. Oh yeah the Apple T.V. Yeah.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► To McMahon pay attention. Yeah yeah the developer lottery Apple T.V. Yes. I registered for that. I won. I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► I don't think Malouda say thing about it. I agreed to something. I guess. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► I don't know I agreed to not write about and talk about like the actual device and what it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► But I don't remember if that agreement included that I mean a lot to mention whether I have one or not but I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► As of right now I don't have one. So there we go. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► I'm disappointed in my Twitter timeline which I read exhaustively that I didn't know that this lottery was even a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► until people were finding out whether they had one and not that I would have undergone montevallo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► Apple two Yeah but I don't even know about THIS IS US is not a big deal. The lottery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► Yeah I heard about it and I had I heard about it when people were saying oh I got when I didn't get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► or like what are you talking about and I went to the website and look at it. It was a reference. Yeah I know anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► But I think I want to a timeline people were talking about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► Oh bleakly without anyone actually ever saying it are linking to a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► or writing a blog post about her doing anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► So anyway a bunch of people who Isn't that the some number thrown out there for how many they gave where they gave away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► I saw some people speculating that these were originally going to be W W D C style look under your seat for yes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► every attendees and every every See been of course Apple T.V. Was launched doubled over the city. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► I would have been excited to get one I'm buying one anyway so whatever doesn't make a difference to tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► or says it every time he sees thing is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► I think I saw someone posting pictures of the packaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► and it was all fancy packaging with like inspirational words all of which fits with the rumor of these were meant to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► gifts for developers that every every see which kind of out of character for Apple to goes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► I can't since the apology mouse I haven't given away any significant hardware at any of their events that's totally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► global thing to do and lots of other conferences like I think when you want to build one. You know they gave her an X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► Box once in the give them Oh yeah. Surfaces and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► You know Android phones all horses of like that every most for hardware Apple. So I get with the program. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► but this is it's the kind of thing like giving a bunch of developers I mean the rumor that we heard is that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► tens of thousands of these given out. Given a bunch of developers. Early access to hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► They're very excited to develop for that has a really apparently haven't looked at it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► but everyone saying it's a very easy S.T.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► Because it is it is really very close to Iowa last I mean it is I was basically you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► And just like with certain frameworks not available in certain new frameworks but they're very close to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► Giving giving a whole bunch of developers who are excited about this early access making them feel special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► and letting them make their apps on a real device that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► You know before it's available to the public that is really valuable to get the app story started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► and you know maybe they learned from the watch you know with the watch the apps Tory but the watch early on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► And honestly still is pretty weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► and a lot of that was because of just limitations of watch us one in the material to watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► but a lot of that was also because the developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► For the most part didn't have early access you know if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► but most didn't have really access to the hardware so this is this thing is pretty cool. I think it's a smart move. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► It's a kind of move that you're right that we wouldn't have expected this from from the apple of even two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► But now it seems like Apple is making more of these like Apple would Apple never do that kind of very pragmatic moves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► And that's that's a good thing I think everybody wins here I don't think there's any downside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► They've already announced that you know no one's going to blow any secrets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► They've already shown it off like crazy so they don't have to worry about that. I think it's a great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► Well it's also the cheapest platform they sell like they're going to give you a device. You know like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► If you have to pick one to get even the watches Mark Spence of like this is one hundred fifty for the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► The small on yes no watch it on hundred fifty. And like the free phones don't count because of you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► Plans and subsidies or whatever so yeah it's going to give something away. Start with this one I don't you know people.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► Here's the thing about like. I think people were excited to make Watch apps. And it seemed like for the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► People were excited for other people to make T.V. Apps. Like I think to see you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► I would like their for the absolute for the to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► but it wasn't there's not a straight line from people who develop it or watch. Mac or I left. Apps to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3290">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► It's like well it's not a touchscreen it's not a mouse it's not a keyboard if I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► or content to show I'm not quite sure what I'll make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► But if you give them free hardware the like you know what let me try thinking softly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► Maybe if I can come up with something that we have some kind of idea so I think this is just the kind of platform where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► the developers might need a little boost to get to get moving and get motivated about IF YOU GET A FREE. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► If you get free hardware like maybe I do have a couple ideas let me try this let me try that maybe you know you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► surprise yourself whereas if you don't have the free hardware you're probably just convince yourself that none of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► existing applications or skills or ideas for apps are a pleasurable to such a big screen if you sit far away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► and can't touch. That's pretty wild. Speaking of Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► We should note that last episode I had said and then I don't know maybe I'll get it maybe I won't.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► And I had said that my beloved plex. If that was available on the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► I would probably insta buy it and in the time between last episode this episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► World gotten contact with the Plex I think C.E.O.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and Has stated that yes they are developing a plex client for the Apple T.V. So that means I'll probably be buying one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► Why don't you tell us about clicks versus top Strawn skip that one has the last last week I looked at the like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► developer documentation that had the animation showing showing the new Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► Remote and showing a dot on it showing this is the click in this is a tap and they both look the same to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► and I didn't understand how you could tell a difference or what was going on there so someone asked. Apples. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► Apple to help us from N.D.A. I can even say can I only put like the red section right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► Pretty sure you can because I'm pretty sure I just hit it with yeah I'm not logged in. So you're good to go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► So I want to know the difference in a tab and click was in Apple's developer forms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► Here all they will put in the show that someone asked the very same question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► and someone with a little apple logo underneath their name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► Said that A quick as one user physically clicks down the track pad causing a selective ant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► and then I guess it happens just happening so what it sounds to me like is that. The touchpad at the end of the remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► Moves in some way. Like physically moves and makes a click. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► As opposed to just tapping on the top surface and I got none of us have this device yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► I'm a marker get that he probably can't talk about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► No to wall the wall find out of a fan of mine ships I'm ordering that day one basically I'm going to I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► accept whatever the equivalent of the crescent moon is for the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► Hard by because it's cheap and whatever I don't care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► But it seems like it's actually a physical but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► and I still don't quite understand a lot of work based on the pictures of the remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► What part of it moves how does it move down how far does it move is their hands does it just bend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► I don't know all these questions will be answered when we get into our little hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► but it was interesting to see actual response from an Apple person about this. Excellent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► All right let's see what else we have to sort out we had talked about plaques... [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► Do you want to tell us about twenty four P. On the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► This is I think from the exact same apple person in the Apple form someone asked the question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► Said Will the new Apple T.V. Actually output twenty four P. Video and. So twenty four P. Is a lot of movies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► Old movies and new movies are shot twenty four frames per second twenty four P. Is a video mode where it stands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► Twenty four pages for aggressively scanned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► Frames of video just one frame nother grandmother frame another in twenty four of those every second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► That's how the movie was shot. What you want to happen is if you. If you were viewing a movie at home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► You want twenty four frames of video every second. To be displayed in television one frame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► The next frame the next frame at exactly twenty four. If you don't do that. It's not going to look quite right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► The most common situation is where your television or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► The device that outputting something for example your computer is going at sixty hertz. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► So it's got sixty frames per second the computer you're looking at right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► and I think all i OS devices except for maybe the new the new i Pad Pro which has the variable refresh rate but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► So it's there it's common for computers. Unfortunately twenty four is not going to sixty evenly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► So if you're going to display a video content that originally has twenty four different frames every second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► But you have to show. Sixty frames every second. You have to divide them up on evenly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► And when the camera pans quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► It can kind of look weird they call a job where you can kind of the kind of herky jerky because you have to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► You know you're going to show the first frame how many times are going to show the first frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► and every time you can show a second from you're not showing some frames longer than other frames. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► when you have a smooth camera move you can kind of see it as a jerking as in the motion so what you want is twenty four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► frames always here this is the whole video files are asking so in practice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► And my set up anyway the only way I can see video like that is a viable I have Blue Ray my Blu ray player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► and my television all do twenty four frames. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► So the blue I put out twenty four frames a television shows twenty four frames and I don't have an L.C.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► I have a plasma at all straight through no image processing it looks correct it looks right.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► Don't have to worry about anything. Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► According to this answer from that Apple Verisign is does not do that no the device output frame rate is fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► and content is automatically converted during playback to match the selected device output frame rate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► Abstinent have the ability to affect the device output frame right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► And he says you have a scenario where you believe this would be required please file bug blah blah blah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► This is focused on application development saying I'm making a video app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► and I want to show video can I control the frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► or whatever the answer is no still unclear to me whether if you buy a movie on i Tunes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and the movie is twenty four frames a second. Does the Apple T.V. Is it also unable to send that natively over H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► As able to supply twenty four pay some theories I've seen thrown around amongst people are disappointed in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► certain is that Apple doesn't want to incur the switching overhead of like switching modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► and H D M I probably can be wanking take some time and blank your screen and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► and you don't want to do that it's like a bad user experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► Like everything else involving intially am I so they're just going to lock it at like a computer like a tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► computer like a tiny little mac mini lock at sixty frames inch up convert all video on the device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► and trying to deal with all these different problems to hide judder an image processing anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► Video files hit all that. So if you are a video file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► Like me I guess you will probably want to continue buying the movies that you really care about.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► In a format other than videos that appear on Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► But if you are a video file there's hope for you because there's a good chance that something will come to the Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► T.V. What would that the show that talk about on the show. Long time ago about calibrating your television. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► I'm heavily in favor of calibrating a television it's not a super complicated can be super complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► but even just very basic calibration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/3722">TS</a>]
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01:13:25 ◼ ► when I was saying that's what I watched over yes it's on the P.S. Traits pretty good Blu ray player. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4405">TS</a>]
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01:13:32 ◼ ► It is possible it's not like it's impossible for a computer like device to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► but I'm pretty sure that the S three when you launch Blu Ray Blank the screen and switches H.D.M.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► Modes and does all the stuff that I said the Apple T.V. Probably shouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► So what may be appropriate for a Blu ray player. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► Even if the Blu ray player is essentially a mini computer like the P S three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► Is maybe not appropriate for hundred fifty dollar. Fanless black puck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► I don't think I'll shouldn't part of support it if they can figure out a way to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► That's fine I just understand I kind of understand why it might not support of the same thing with four K.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► By that we didn't discuss this but maybe briefly mentioned last time. The new Apple T.V. If not for K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► You know that you've asked me of this you got television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► or what do they want to know what television to get not tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► and get no television because now's not a good bye because we're after the plasma times over for LEDs of come into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► Mostly all as I keep seeing a curve to I really hope that goes away I really hope that goes away like three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► Kind of went away. Because I did not want to curry T.V. Anyway. As a bad time to buy it because four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► Is on the horizon you can buy a fork a T.V. Now but it would be kind of like buying one of the very early plasmas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► Unless you're really lucky and got one of the top and the curly things. Probably not the best time to buy a four K.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► Television Apple doesn't support it but a lot of people is like why doesn't the new Apple T.V. Support for four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► It's got enough grunt to support in theory. I don't know if the D.M. I suspect that it conforms to supports for K.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4494">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► To the degree is needed but I kind of agree that it seems like what the night in that right. Maybe handle four K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► Bottom line it doesn't doesn't have this product is defined I wouldn't count on this product being updated in any way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► to support for came a future even if the hardware Secondly capable of it because that's just not the kind of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► that Bill does. When they made you buy a whole new product when they went from seven twenty P. To ten A.T.P.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► That tells you anything so don't buy an Apple T.V. If you're expecting it to magically have four K. Support. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► Just resign yourself to spending under one hundred fifty bucks in a couple years when four K. Finally matures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► This is a big kerfuffle started I think those started by a Daniel Pascoe his from black box all right he wrote a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► or maybe just reporting the fact that you're not allowed to bring up web you in your Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► Application and ever is upset about that. It's I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► One question is like which I think we don't really know the answer yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► Is how many of the apps that we have on our phone are going to be necessary to have in our T.V.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► How many were actually going to want to happen on T.V.'s. I think going to be a smaller and slightly different group. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► So a lot of the option your phone are just like for things that could have been Web sites. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► You know like your bank Apple like some of the stuff I just could have been a Web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► And so they obviously web user use very heavily in a lot of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► and so you know it's it's fine if a lot of those can't work now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► That being said there are a lot of a lot of apps that use web views in smaller ways like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► Like I use web use an overcast forwards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► The rendering of the show notes on the playback screen the scroll view on the playback screen that includes the artwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► in the shadows below it. That is a web you. It is a giant web view. Because that way I can render H.T.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► In the notes and it works just fine. It's great. So like you know something that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► That makes sense things like reading apps. You know Instapaper. Instapaper is a big web you as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► I don't think people are going to be reading on their T.V.'s very often who knows I mean sure somebody might want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► try but that's not going to be a very common request I don't think so again. That's fine too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► I think it's going to be annoying for some people but not nearly as big of a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► As a most people expect now the other thing is. What about just web browsing. On the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► Obviously liking or not just using a web view in an app. But actually just browsing to arbitrary pages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► Obviously if you think about something like a Twitter client. On the Apple T.V. or A news reader. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► Then those are going to be challenging to make compelling because again. We're going to do a tap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► Like Twitter's full of links. So if you if you are browsing the Twitter why on the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► and You can't have any links to can be kind of annoying. But again it's like are people really going to be browsing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4673">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► Because one thing that people don't often talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► but becomes obvious if you've ever tried to do this like putting a computer into your T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► or Anything that T.V.'s actually look terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► When you try to view like text and Web ads like T.V.'s are much lower resolution than you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► Weird contrast in color issue with limitations. They really are not good screens to be reading text on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► So I don't think this is that big of a problem really. Well. The screen quality if you have. If you have a good T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► And you know the right distance from it is not that bad it's not as bad as used to be in the old C.R.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► Standard def days and if you have a for good T.V. And I believe it is the parted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► Now then I thank you those those problems would be gone all it's kind of disappointing to me that they don't support it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► mostly because every smartish thing. That is not a computer. That is connected to a television in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► You know of several years. Has a web browser Bilton. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► I think you know I Play Station four does my way you does I think my way you does like everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► I don't know if my my Tivo does but like everything feels compelled to have a browser. If it hooks up to a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► As an internet connection because hey why not why I mean the three D.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► Has a web browser kernel out and every single one of those browsers is the worst browser. Ever like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► There are terrible to use you launch it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► and you realize like maybe it uses like an old version of the Opera engine and can't render anything as really slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► and have these weird controls about scrolling the page and moving the cursor and all is just terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► And so you just never launch it again you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► and a reason I'm going to pointed in the main reason disappointed is that if an I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► Us powered device within a it and it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► Powered by Web Kit was hooked up with my television and they put it whether you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► and I had like a Touch Control no remote to scroll around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► It would actually be like nice and responsive and fast and look good and render correctly and that would be a miracle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► Because I've never seen that on my television. That said. I really have no urge to brush my pages on my television. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4794">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► And I think that's kind of. It's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► I guess it's a red herring because I get to like what the motivation of this might be but Margot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► when you're talking about like the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► That's coming from the web and of course Instapaper content is coming from the web. But I think there are a lot of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► Perhaps a surprising number of I.R.S. Applications that use a web view. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► To render content that does not come from the web. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► Maybe it's just in the application bundle Maybe it's like they want to just build a string on the fly maybe someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► is like a web developer and as Mark Austin doing that maybe it is sort of from their own private web server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► or Web use like you're not giving them arbitrary web browsing you're not even perhaps giving them links you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► using it as a more flexible or maybe just the way that people are more comfortable with way to layout. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► Text and images in your you I would just. Probably not the appropriate thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► But because Web Kit is so fast and because it's fairly efficient and if you have simple needs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► It is a pretty easy way to do you know to sneak a little bit of web development into your Iowa South. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► And the fact of that's not possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► I think is something that Apple may have to end up backsliding on because it's all just like oh why is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► Is it happening because they didn't couldn't get web kid ready in time gravity that seems unlikely because all the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► M.L. Stuff surely uses web get or at least javascript course something like that in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► And it's just an A And it's just that I was very and getting web get to work is not rocket science I can work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► Is it because they don't want anyone to ever make a web browser out for the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► Can they do that with app or view. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► Like slap you down to try to make something like a web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► or the final reason the most popular one seems to be they don't want you using web technologies to make a you why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► want you to make a native application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► That may be the case maybe that's getting back to what I talk about the last show about the AMC in the USA apps one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► which was terrible and one of which was only merely. So subtle. And I can remember which was which. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► But a lot of those seem like big giant web use of H.T.M.L. Five video players. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► Is that why their creditors a credit because the servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► when responders are credit because they have buggy javascript attacking whether seen a commercial I don't know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► the blame lies. But it's conceivable that that app was credited because it was done with the Web you why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► It was like a repackaging of their website inside and I was container and it was you know their website was crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► and so was there I sat. As usual Apple is silent in this area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► I haven't heard anything whispers from anybody about is this something they're going to amend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► Is it just we weren't quite ready in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► or is it an intentional thing where they're trying to send a message with a lack of Web Kit support to tell you you're. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► not allowed to use Web technologies anywhere on Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► I would love to know what the answer as but right now I don't tell us about your early musings on the i Pad Pro.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► Well actually before we do that any other thoughtfully Apple T.V. I'm honestly I'm kind of looking forward to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► I so one of the topics I don't know how much am I going to this now because I haven't thought too much about it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► but one of the topics that we kept hearing about that I kept hearing about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► Is how could how could we engender all and usually me specifically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► How can I be so pessimistic about all the stuff Apple announced. And first of all I don't think I was I don't think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► I don't think I've been recently pessimistic and I do think there's a lot of of warranted pessimism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► or skepticism that I that I expressed about the very stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► However there are two things that I am more excited about this week when I was last week. Number one is three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► Touch because after watching more the videos and after you know maybe seeing some people using it. I does look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► I have not used it I have not felt it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► or touched it myself however it does look like it's going to be really really nice as a shortcut mechanism to do a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► of quick things. I don't you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► My concerns about it discoverability everything remain however I do things for power users like us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5033">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► I think it'll be really nice to have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► So we'll see you know we'll see how much it matters for regular people I think it's going to matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► About as much as things like multitasking gestures.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► For regular people but we'll see the other thing I'm I am more excited about the last because the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► I do however you know. I said last week my. My main concern with the Apple T.V. Is not whether I would like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► It's whether people will buy it because it's a hundred fifty dollars box entering a market a very very cheap things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► that people think are good enough and. And they're still going to keep selling the old Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► So it's going to have to compete with that which is half the price. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► And I and I think it's going to be a tough sell for a while until the app story develops if it does. That being said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► I'm looking forward to it because first of all it will allow me to consolidate our universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► or month situation here which will be nice but also. I'm looking forward to it because I mean I like apps and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► I think it'll be kind of interesting kind of fun to play around with. So I am looking forward to both of those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► Whether the whole rest of the world is. We'll see what happens there. But I'm looking forward to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► Yeah I don't think like Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► It was the one thing I said I'm definitely buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► and I was do you think about it while I was of course I'm also in the US about the i Pad Pro so I don't think you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► It's. Maybe it's the hypercritical influence but thus far. Our. Most of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► Mostly on the show we've found it more interesting to talk about the potential problems of products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► and think about what to go wrong event to just spend the entire time gushing rather things that we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► but there were things that we like and you know if we end the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► and a bunch of us say that we're definitely getting Apple T.V. That's probably you know like OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► But anyway who hairs of we're getting was like we talked about the products. The Good The Bad and The Ugly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► I do agree that market lately has been in the downswing in terms of being cranky about things that happen all is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► but it's not like it's just an articulate Great Britain thousands of words about it like it's not it's not a vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► And just you know it's got an ax to grind you've got specific concerns that he's expressed in various ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► and so I think that's you know. That's just his opinion man. Well and I think also like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► There's a lot that I've been positive about now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► You know the idea that I have to be like equally positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► and negative is of course totally wrong in the balance Margot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► Yeah right now you know that's a little bit look at that of the way the you know that. That is that is total B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► However there's a lot of Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► and Apple products that have launched in the last couple years that I really enjoy that I use constantly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► I've been very vocal about how much I really enjoy the Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► Even though I think the apps that you a heinous terrible which it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► I think the rest their product is great and I keep saying that nobody hears it but I keep saying it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► I also really enjoy the rediscovery of M.D.S. Responder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► And the victim of discovery different marketing system because as I've written about and seven Assad cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► The reliability of the things I do with my home network. On on an almost ten has skyrocketed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► and The things I do on there and airplay and and things like that those have all skyrocketed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► After I'm going to respond or came back. This government is the new Coke. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► Because like nobody there was maybe you came into the night too late but there was no love for and D.M.'s responder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► In the many years. There was always a source of problems there was that it killed people have problems with the river. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► The only reason it gets a lot is going to brought new Coke and overhyped New Coke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► and they brought back into the US as well as in the US respond to a classic everybody loves it right. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► So yeah it. That like my world has been changed at home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► Like the last year with a seventy was really rough until that changes made a few months ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► And as I wrote about on my site when it happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► That has made a massive difference for me in the reliability of the stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► However there are still tons of things that need work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► For instance I launch an app today or say we might get two and it was delayed by an App Store bug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► For five and a half hours after it was approved for sale. Because just the C.D.N. Just didn't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► And that's happened a lot of developers today during the release of us nine. It Happen to tons of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► You know there's. There are still issues with the services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► There are still issues with some of the applications there are still issues with some of the hardware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► There still delays of like things like Skylab with Granted it's not oppose fault but it still affects Apple's products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► There's been significant stagnation in the laptop lineup recently because we're so late with the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► So you know like there's there's stuff that. That is not perfect and there is stuff like the i Phone six battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► That I think is you know. Not not the decision I would have made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► And not the decision that fits me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► when I say things like that the product line is getting it is getting more narrowly focused products and that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► The question of who is this for the answer to that keeps getting narrower for the lot of these newer products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► I don't think that's unfair or to Sara Lee negative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► But that is certainly an observation the product line but again it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► I still use the I am Act which is a general purpose large desktop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► And the fifteen inch map approach is the most general purpose laptop and they have like for you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► Get a laptop that will serve and to use to serve. That's the one OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► You know I'm talking to you on this through an act through live stream through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► There Mack with a roomful of Apple gear I mean it's like you know I still like a lot of Apple stuff however I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► think it's unfair or unwarranted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► To point out the areas than which they're kind of missing the mark for me or for everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► And as they keep serving more and more and more areas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► Because what they what they have today with the product line is way more broad in just like number sheer number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► products and services and apps that they have right now is so much more broad than it used to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► And the fact is they're not doing all of them well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► At the end you know Apple Apple has never been able to juggle too many things at once particularly well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► And the number of things they can juggle at once. Well over time has gone up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► But so has the number of things they try to juggle. And so there. They really you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► This still there still always areas that can use improvement. And we on the outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► People like us who don't work for them and they're like because people who work for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► Can't really say anything because they can get in trouble. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► But people like us on the outside who don't work for them and say whatever we want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► Can effect positive change within Apple and within its products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► By ranting about them when that's when it's warranted by giving them. Real constructive. Valid criticism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► When it's warranted. That actually effect positive change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► Every time I complain about something about Apple that that is like a fair complaint I hear from people on the inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► of the company. Either right then or near that either right then or soon after I hear from people that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► Whatever I said or wrote was circulated in some group. And that that like helped that team. Argue for their point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► Or make a change or whatever. And I hear this from everyone I know who writes about Apple or talk about Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► The people inside listen. Our complaints are ammunition for internal fights. And that complaining works in a way that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► Following book after book might not for me complaining works. And again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► You know there's no reason to stop complaining just out of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► You know trying to be nice if things really are broken or could use improvement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► If the thing that struck me about the feedback we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► and we did get several people writing in saying oh my God Your bunch of curmudgeons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► You know maybe there's some truth to that but I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► I don't think it does anyone any good for us to just be parrots that are saying oh this is the best apples the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► apples flawless nothing up with dozens wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► I mean that would not be a particularly enjoyable show for us to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► or for most people to listen to so I feel like I speak for all of us and saying genuinely I mean if if we came across. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► Grumpy last episode that wasn't our intention but you know we're going to call it like we see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► and if we see things as being broken then. Dammit we're going to say that it's broken and that's just how we feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► And you know if it doesn't work for. If it doesn't work for you then I'm sorry but you know T.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► Lomas saying in the chat it was a three hour negative a thon. Maybe we listened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► Maybe what I said did not feel it was like three hour. Complaining festival. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► I didn't get a chance to listen back to the episode but man. It certainly didn't feel that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► When when I was recording it and I'm pretty sure that you guys didn't think it went that way either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► and if it came across that way then you know we're sorry but this is how we feel and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► You know if you're looking for someone to just parrot about how amazing Apple is you're going to have to look elsewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► Pointed ladies and gentleman to criticism for lack of a better word is good. Criticism is right. Criticism works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► Criticism clarifies cuts through captures the essence of the evolutionary spared. The reference. Yes it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► I could tell it and that was your quote voice but I couldn't figure out where it's from that was my core voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► and I was I was there's a double quote voice because I was quoting a thing in which I was quoting a thing. Oh God. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► Well put it in the show notes. Speaking of quoting yourself. Want to tell us about what you said about the i Pad Pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► Yeah speaking of going myself I was just curious about this because we talk about the i Pad prolapse week. And I are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► This is that you know. I want i Pad Pro for a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► And I like how long when that I first start talking about the i Pad Pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► and so I am Plus I deployed the underscore David Smith who has magical abilities to find out what people said things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► the past which we should all be frightened of. Because I don't know where he gets these powers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► But if you've lost your car keys. Contact underscored it's met people tell you where they are very convenient service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► As long as you've spoken about it on a podcast. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► Well we don't know we don't know but it's not just you know you're speculating with limits to his power. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► I search my own podcast for like a good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► Ninety seconds before I'm going to the slight channel and I asked if the look it up for me I feel kind of anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► but I did search for and I couldn't find it he found it immediately. It was a hyper critical episode fifty eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► And March of two thousand and twelve thirty one minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► In you'll hear my first musings about my first public musings about you know what out bush knew they'd make a bigger i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► Pad and called the i Pad problem blah blah blah so if you're interested in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► Or just want to hear a really old hypercritical Rice sound really weird talk about things in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► I'll put that link in the show it's to. OK speaking of the i Pad Pro. Dr wave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► Michael Johnson from Pixar tweeted at some point or another. I believe was a tweet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► He said My understanding is that the i Pad Pro recognizes the stylus data from the Apple pencil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5694">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► Flowing in at two hundred forty her fingers at one hundred twenty hertz. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► And the air to you in general will do one hundred twenty hertz and all of their i Pads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► and i was devices do sixty hertz. My understanding is that his understanding is accurate that the i Pad pros to forty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► For the apple pencil. One twenty for everything else and all in the air to was one twenty Everything else is sixty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► And that I make mine with a variable refresh rate is really interesting you know the technical lengths that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► or is willing to go are both to do a good job with like I want you just add a stylus of the i Pad Well it's not as simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► as you know. Yes it is that I can figure out how you knew price sensitivity. And also you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► Sixty sixty hertz again very common for computer re things any kind of computer a thing whether it's I come to a T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► Hooked up to a monitor it's been a standard for many years and everything C.R.T.'s one or I sixty hertz. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► But that's not good enough for for it to feel nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5756">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► when you're driving on it I'm not sure why the air too is one twenty maybe they just cranked it up because they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► there I don't know exactly where the bandit is but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► But to forty four the thing of a support the pencil makes perfect sense and. And again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► During the videos that they show people drawing on the thing I can see the lack like the like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► Once you know what to look for. You know the leg is there. But if you've ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► You know used a way calmer Wakeham tablet depending on how you pronounce it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► or you know sin take which is that there thing where they were you drawn a screen that they provide to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► There's plenty of lag there to link for them think time that video from the Microsoft Research thing that shows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► They had like an experimentalist by the shows different amounts of lag reading just turn the dial and crank it up and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► Around and boy at the difference between current technology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► And the best thing that we can do right now with unlimited money is dramatic and as soon as you see the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► when you're like oh well. I want that. Well tough luck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► You can't have that but what you know will get there eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► and I will get there is by every new iteration of these type of things you can scroll bomb of the pen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► Make a better make it faster so what I'm interested in I haven't seen I think I have a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► and that we can put in the show it's from a somebody who wrote a blog post comparing the apple pencil to the top of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► line. Tablet that artists use now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► And had nice things to say about the Apple tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► but I guess we have to wait until these things are in people's hands and feel like hands on tests or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► But I do know that every every tablet I've ever seen anyone use to draw with or have drawn with myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► Has had lag that I can see Apple's thing also has legs that I can say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► I can't I bought I can't say which is worse or which is better. One one point that was made his initial It's so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► I thought we had a link to name one point that was made in this article about the comparing of the sim take to the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► Pad Pro. Was that the sim take that makes it seem like where are the images and where your stylus touches the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5873">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► Are distant from each other like there's an air gap or like a. You know sort of like a a large gap so that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► Depending on what angle you're holding at the parallax makes it seem like the ink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► or whatever is not coming out of the tip of your pen it's coming out of some point removed from the tip of your pen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► Because that the whole thing is thinner and the glasses then are in this laminated have a glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► And that makes sense to me tech wise because Apple is surely better able to manufacture the fanciest screen with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► smallest gap and no air gap and great lamination everything. Where a company that makes tablets for artists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► Necessarily has much smaller volumes and not have NOT doesn't have billions of dollars in the bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► and all the stuff so there is the potential for the i Pad Pro to be a really good tool for artist that is potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► as good as or better than all existing dedicated tools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► A But I think we have to wait and see for the people actually buy this and use it to do real work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► and they were poured back. Yeah I mean this is another by the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► One of the one of those things I was very positive about was the i Pad Pro for pen input. The pencil itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► And the general notion of writing things on a screen with a pen. I like all those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► They just aren't things that I need to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► But I'm very positive on all of those things for people who use pens or who like to write or let's take notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► or who had to draw that all sounds awesome for those people. However I'm a computer geek. In the you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► Old school sense of computer geek them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► Where I mostly just need a keyboard mouse and a big screen the big powerful computer so it's not really for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► However. You know. Good on them for people who actually want to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► You know if if this ever does I'll go always down to an iphone six size device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► and scratch things out on it if only because some of them make like some of the bring out draw something again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► and people would forget that it previously existed like wow try this great new game to draw pictures to gel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► or it's really fun. Sure. Yeah I mean look at it this. This was available even for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► You know even as soon as it comes to and I've had sizes. That I want to own. I'll probably buy one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► I'll probably buy whatever. You know if like. If next years i Pad Air. Supports the pencil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► Then I'll probably get one of those I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► or you know if there's some really compelling reason for me to get the i Pad Pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► I will get it like I talked before like I love to make a podcast editor and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► You know if I'm going to do that make you know. On the i Pad Pro is certainly worth investigating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► However I'm not doing that right now I'm I'm doing other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► and I don't plan to that it to that any time soon I'm you know by the time I would get the probably next year I get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► I'll also I'm worried with the current one that you know we have into this in last week's show that forced touch on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► i Phone is going to be so interesting and so compelling as a shortcut mechanism that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► It's going to be weird getting use that on the phone in the not having it yet on the i Pads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► So I would rather wait if I'm going to spend over a thousand dollars on a brand new really high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► and i Pad that I don't really need right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► I would rather wait until next year to see if maybe that's forced auction. But we'll see. I think you mean three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► Touch but my story. Yeah you're right. Even Federer you screwed it up one. Yeah that's true. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► Do you think anyone's going to make any money on apps on the i Pad Pro because the friend of the show that we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► mentioned underscore David Smith. Tweeted a link to a company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► I don't recall their name but the people who make Scotch which apparently is a very popular app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► They are basically saying no freakin way we're going to touch the i Pad Pro cause we can't make any money on it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6098">TS</a>]
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01:41:49 ◼ ► and there are problems with the companies that have difficulty finding a way to make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► and the price pressure like we talk lacings a million times. But I think one of the least convincing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6113">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► At least the missing because Apple sketching out Photoshop I guess I want to leave committing as you can do is say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► entirely new thing. Like an Apple tablet with with a pencil which is not existed before. We are writing off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► Because we assume it will be exactly like all of the other markets and they're probably right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► or anything like that it's just there are many reasons why it makes sense for them not to make the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► Maybe they don't have you know they have not developers not i OS developers you know they can sell knockouts are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► like all the things we've talked about over there are but the idea that it is inconceivable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► And they get there just entirely sure I guess they just days there are the things that we can't risk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► We think that there's not a market for a sustainable market for us for. I Pad problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► And then we think that because we've judge there not to be a sustainable market for these applications on the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► i Pad on the phones on volleyball so and so forth but it reads kind of like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► We understand the chicken egg situation you go first and you go first with a hard when we say yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► I don't think so like someone is going to go for a someone's going to try to make a go of it here maybe the they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► suckers and they're going to all go out of business and find out they can't make money on a platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► but it's not particularly convincing to me for one company to say because there are bunch of good reasons for us not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► It is a condemnation of the entire concept of there being a supportable pro application space I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► If the i Pad Pro has the best chance maybe Apple T.V. So tied with that. The best chance to break through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► The thing that has caused the i OS pricing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► and business model to get pulled down so much because you can sell all the still think they're one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► You can sell more expensive things to professionals are that's where your was looking for its life if someone needs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► and they make a lot of money at their job they will give you one hundred dollars for the zap of the use of their job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► They will just do it even just for musicians to sell music applications even a few people don't make money doing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► They'll give you fifty bucks for a thing that lets them do something with their band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► and you know like that will definitely happen. Much less so than trying to sell somebody like a little gamer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► You know something more trivial or general interest right so perhaps you go to the second thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► This is there have had for a while. I think it's still kind of true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► The bigger the screen the more money you can charge because bigger equals more money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► I know that makes no sense logically. But in my experience I've seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► It seems to me that people can be more convinced to see maybe it's just a quince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► and maybe it's not actually causation It's just like it so just so happens the computers have bigger screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► and people use computers the jobs involved a lot but like getting out as I'm thinking. Can you sell an Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► Yet for more money because it's bigger setting aside. Things like video content where that's just you know you're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► It's not the screen as big as that you're buying video I can buy access to H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► I'm buying access to Major League Baseball right ever. Setting that aside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► Can you charge more money because the screen is bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► or is it because apps that run on a bigger screen can have more features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► and people are going to pay for those features I don't know what the connection is but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► I am not ready to retire early right all. Both the i Pad Pro in the Apple T.V. As. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► Platforms where it is just as difficult to sell application. For more than a couple bucks. As it is on i OS. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► The big thing is going to be volume. It's. Will the i Pad Pro sell enough volume that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► It'll be worth developing high quality as for it. Because if there is if it doesn't achieve. Really high volumes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► And you know. High volumes for an i Pad are still very low volumes for an i Phone But let's let's just say like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► You know if it doesn't sell a lot. If. If a lot of these things don't sell by i Pad standards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► It's going to be very hard for most companies justify developing for it just on that basis alone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► I'm doing volume works against the because the high volumes as part of the reasons why there's such downward price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► pressure because if you sell to almost everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► Most people don't want to pay for software period but if you're selling a pro app. You don't need. Like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► There are very few pros how many people who are going to buy a fifty dollar music app are there out there like it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► for drawing obligations and i Pad Pro It's still chicken egg someone has to make this offer someone has to go first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► Apple has made the hardware and their hopes on makes the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► but there's how many professional artists are there in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► How many people who use a stylus to do their daily work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► Drawing and designing things are there in the world not a lot like. I think volume. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► That's a you know not the you can't sell like ten thousand on the you can't I think you probably even more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► but you don't need i have i Phones that number so I don't know what the middle is they're like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► If it just sells and merely normal i Pad volumes is that too few. But if it sells in merely normal i Pad volumes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► Couldn't they sell. You know one to every design of the entire world and still have tons left over. It's a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► It's conceivable I think that it could sell. I mean just look at the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► The MAC sells invention the small volumes compared to the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► And yet it has it is a sustainable platform for some companies to sell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► Programs that people use to do their jobs on their Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► and they pay astronomical amounts of money for them by the standards of Iowa South occasions like twenty whole dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► for an application it's unheard of. Well that's true however. Max also have the advantage of an installed base already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► Where they don't sell as many units as before. However if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► If you want to really you know let's suppose Apple made a new mac. And you know with some interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► You know new screen. Shape or something. You know. And you made an app that worked well in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► and millions of other Macs that already exist in the world that can probably also run that app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► So the sales volumes of self are a little bit of a of a bad example here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► Also I would argue that there's a lot more people who quote get their work done on a mac than i Pad in these kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► like content creation or professional kind of fields. That's. I don't know that offhand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► However that sounds very likely if I had a guess now. You know on the i Pad Pro to make a really good i Pad Pro at P.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► You really use that expansive screen space very well. And also it would be nice if it worked well with the pencil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► I think that's going to be a huge differentiator because again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► I like the pencil idea I think it sounds very good and very compelling and very interesting. However again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► There's going to be very few of these things the market for a while so it's going to be hard just numbers wise now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► Assume they have healthy installed base. Assume it actually becomes reasonably possible to sell a decent number of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► You know thirty dollars or whatever apps on a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► Then the question is can you actually build and sustain a business with the app stores. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► Pricing and trial of of great situation and that is another question. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► We've had we've had i Pads for five years now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► Five and a half years now and I know a lot of companies have struggled to bring that kind of business to the i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► It's hard enough on the i Phone where you have tons of value to make up for it. It's even harder on the i Pad. So how. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► What do you think like I don't think the i Pad Pro alone. Can solve that problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► It can solve the first problem of hail to get a bunch of people buy these things. You know because they're really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► But how do you solve the second problem there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► You know if you're Apple like how do you solve the App Store pricing problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► or do you not think that's enough the problem the matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► You know I don't know what the right answer is I do know that from the show been Thompson wrote a really good piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► about the Apple platforms becoming platforms rather than products and. I didn't get a chance to read it thoroughly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► So I now I'm assigning myself some homework to do so but will put a link in the chat for both myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► and for for the listeners. I think that. I think that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► From what I did get to read of it he made some really really great points. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► And that you know Apple seems to think that they can solve these problems by just creating new products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► and that's not the case just like you said Mark. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6616">TS</a>]
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01:50:58 ◼ ► They sell for us is that the presence of family law and the reason is no trial. And we all agree that like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6658">TS</a>]
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01:51:08 ◼ ► Upgrade pricing trials for very expensive applications you can figure out if you like and so on and so forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6668">TS</a>]
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01:51:53 ◼ ► far far more people put apps on their phones than ever put apps on their computers. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► Volume wise like it's just so easy to get out like we talk to others before. There are lots of upside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► But once you get into the realm of professional applications applications that cost a lot of money to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► applications that are always going to sell in smaller volumes they're not angry birds that you know there's only. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► There's only seven hundred thousand people in the entire United States who even need this application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6734">TS</a>]
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01:52:21 ◼ ► And that's my entire user base are going to charge each one of them a thousand dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► And I can't charge each one of them a thousand dollars every single year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► I have to charge them a thousand dollars once and then two hundred dollars every year or two when I make major updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► And if I can't do that. It doesn't work for me and pick whatever. Numbers you want the applications like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► I'm thinking back to the good old days of the I am rich application. In some ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6758">TS</a>]
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01:52:54 ◼ ► but it's just this big gulf. Like in the middle between free or almost free things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6774">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► And you know and things that are just really expensive are being sold to companies that used to be on the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► There was and still kind of is a healthy place for applications that cost. Tens or hundreds of dollars that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:16 ◼ ► Let people do their jobs better. And that the developers. Support that application an ongoing basis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6796">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► Year after year after year just working on the application making a better porting its new platforms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6803">TS</a>]
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01:53:31 ◼ ► and bounds of able to continue to pay them a little bit of money each year for the new version of the whatever because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► it helps them get their job done. So I sympathize with the sketch people but I really hope. I really help someone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► Some poor sucker I guess. Runs the experiment and says well you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► Can I make a business selling professional level applications for double digit or triple digit prices on the i Pad Pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:56 ◼ ► Not just like you get an Apple design award I see is that you don't receive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6836">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► but five years from now still be selling the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► The latest version of that application and have an actual company that runs with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► Maybe more than Wanted to people selling out to people really use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► That's what I think Apple should be bragging about they would go up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► and they brag about look at all these applications we have. And look at this once beautiful and and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► You all of this opera whatever but where are there are success stories like you know you know dhobi Photoshop or B.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► Edit for crying out loud or any applications like. This isn't just a flash in the pan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6864">TS</a>]
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01:54:33 ◼ ► or got venture funding or whatever but is actually a sustainable business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► And you know and then that they have things like I'm in a group at the very least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6876">TS</a>]
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01:54:47 ◼ ► And then a bunch of other want to present shops to get really rich selling a game that sells to millions of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► which is great Those games are great and everything. More power to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► But there's a dead spot in the middle for applications that could sell to a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► But are forced to sell for two dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6901">TS</a>]
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01:55:18 ◼ ► a different application do you know developers are employable there but they'll be fine right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6918">TS</a>]
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01:55:49 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/6949">TS</a>]
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01:57:04 ◼ ► Launch a new app. It's called Peace. It's an I.R.S. Non-content blocker. And the big deal about it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7024">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► So it's an addon tracker blocker but the big deal about it is that I actually license. The database from Go story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:17 ◼ ► So this is powered by GO story. Which is pretty cool I think I think it's I think it's the best database out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7037">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► Honestly I tried a lot of them. And really a lot over the summer. And I found them to be the best. So I went to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► I asked of avian treated and licensing it for a simple. Revenue share deal and they actually said Yes it's amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► Yes So we worked it out. And they're fun to work with and the Easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► Looks as you know they're big companies that was kind of a surprise for me. And yeah. Great all August of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► If you couldn't have licenses a race would you have made the app anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► I had other databases you know in various stages of testing throughout the summer and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7077">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► I had a really hard time finding one that. That was really truly good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► And not just some like total mammoth thing like massive number of rules massive you know database size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► and complexity and everything because the bigger you make the rules that the worse. It impacts performance and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► It is a pretty fast system. And you can do quite a lot of rules and have it not slow down too bad but you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► You do change things like like how. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► When you make a change the rules you have to send the system all of your rules again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► So if you like add a white list and site. You to send all of your rules back to the system again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► And that actually takes. With my rule set on an i Phone six which is the grocery database. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7121">TS</a>]
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01:58:53 ◼ ► The open unrestricted extension. The way that works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► Is it literally just sends an empty rule set open day so far if you controller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► And then when the Safari view controller closes it renewables the regular rule set. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7143">TS</a>]
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01:59:13 ◼ ► and that screen goes away. That is how long it takes to reload the content blocker rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► That is what that is waiting for. And so if you. If you test or. If you do a larger database. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► Most of it the big host files the easy list all these. All the different sources of your ad log format or hosts format. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7162">TS</a>]
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01:59:44 ◼ ► You know some per page cost as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► and even the cost might be small it is still a per page cost to evaluate all those rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:50 ◼ ► You know try to do smart things like building trees and you know building. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7190">TS</a>]
01:59:53 ◼ ► Fast parsers and everything but it's still you know the fewer rules. The faster it is so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7193">TS</a>]
01:59:59 ◼ ► I also found with the other rule sets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7199">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► Had more compatibility problems like certain sites like there's there's a tracker I think it's called Adobe I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► sure I don't know much about the stuff about the specifics of these things but in the enterprise. Exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► It's also used on Apple site. And if you. If you don't. If you allow for other if you block. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► Adobe on that you're on Apple developer site. The site doesn't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7219">TS</a>]
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02:00:48 ◼ ► and to make exceptions of their their databases pretty sophisticated like you know these rules should be should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► exempted on these domains otherwise things break. You know stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7253">TS</a>]
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02:01:28 ◼ ► and domain which you consider third party if you look at our pigs template because we have our own domain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► So any Squarespace site hosted on some domain name. Would break without the certain exemptions made on Google as like J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7292">TS</a>]
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02:01:54 ◼ ► Excite you just can't view any product pagan I us. With that enabled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► Since there were just there were so many things that broke. With simpler rules like that and then the bigger rule sets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► Worse. We're primarily focused on like hiding ads on P.C.'s and without regard to breakage is really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7326">TS</a>]
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02:02:21 ◼ ► know. Five thousand entries for Russian porn sites and do I really need that to I really need to waste. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► Thousands of entries on things like that in to block those ads for the X. Ten camera. Allow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7346">TS</a>]
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02:02:40 ◼ ► and rule sets I inquired about about licensing because a lot of these things like for instance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► I saw a couple of couple of the browser blockers. If you're free and open source. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► You could include a lot more host names and block list sources than if you're a commercial product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7371">TS</a>]
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02:03:00 ◼ ► There's a lot of these list that you're not allowed to use by their license agreement. I did go to some of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► Approach them for licensing. Most of them didn't respond some of them said no. Some of them said yes for X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► Dollars a year. But I never found any that were both usable. And were actually good enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7391">TS</a>]
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02:03:29 ◼ ► and I was because the concept like are so limited they can't do their core business function. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► So they didn't really have anything ready for us nine. And I was. And I had an app that needed a database. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7413">TS</a>]
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02:04:06 ◼ ► I felt like my internet had been getting slower lately and I couldn't put my finger on what it was or why it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► And between installing go straight on my mac and installing peace on my US devices. Suddenly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► Things seem snappier again and there's very well could be that this is ALL my head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► But I feel like having these content blockers. Has really made things feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► Snappy like they did just a year or two ago. And so whatever content blocker you choose to run. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7472">TS</a>]
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02:06:16 ◼ ► And then I had the home button and try to go to another app I don't know why even bother. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR7CP78/7576">TS</a>]
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