0:00:00Yeah I'm looking at the top for an astronomy
0:00:02and think it's Margot is the worst pod cast host of a show with top four ever.
0:00:06Oh my God I thought the same thing
0:00:08and I'm too nice a guy to say I don't understand how to tip has the patience of a saint I didn't just pick for things
0:00:14like make him write it down in a piece of paper everything is number five.
0:00:18What everything can't be number five and then within the fourth like this is my number one.
0:00:23And then all these are tied for number two. That's not the top four works.
0:00:28Show I was there and I like the back of the end of the episode you admitted it
0:00:31and like explain like I realized that I'm I'm not able to even ball the simple formula in to like she's fine with it.
0:00:37You know. She can live with you. Well she she tolerates me.
0:00:40Yes she does that it's like she's not even frustrated by it like the show is called top four. Pick.
0:00:47I'm still bitter they didn't bring up transport I can.
0:00:49I'm so angry you for that that it's not anything it's not your top far as their top four I guess
0:00:54but I know it's his top for example it's not as Probably that was probably number fifteen with every other game in
0:00:59existence. But I couldn't agree with you more John Mark and you've got to get a grip on the top four.
0:01:05It's so easy to do.
0:01:06You just need to fight not right number one two three and four in the right words next to each one of the.
0:01:12So we've had to do tiptoes the test doesn't see how watch her do it if you need like she does such a good job she has a
0:01:20list of all the ways you considered she's got her top four she has a reason but you're just like oh no T.V.
0:01:25Shows like some of them. Well I like. I like this one a lot.
0:01:30And then there's like these thirty four other ones that are somewhere down below.
0:01:34Just going like talk you into like you know like change your mind halfway through the show
0:01:38and she's like she's even called you on she's like you to stand up because I like that you know like no no no I've
0:01:42changed my mind at this moment. The good thing she's on that show she's really caring you. I agree. So true.
0:01:52John I love you I enjoyed what is an example I'm going to you know. All right let's start with.
0:01:59We have learned that not only does this universe have many many many many many tap to click Wizards.
0:02:06But as I believe John has phrased in the show notes. We have also found that there are quite a few C.E.C.
0:02:13Unicorns and it's kind of an oxymoron because the whole thing of unicorn is like the one rare.
0:02:19You know of course but there's a lot of them there are these not yours but anyway yeah. Lots of C.C.
0:02:23Unicorns last show I expressed my general disdain for C.C.
0:02:27and My frustration with it almost working like us that's the the good thing about it like it almost works it works some
0:02:33of the time. You can kind of had to work you can I think you have everything set up and is working perfectly.
0:02:38And then things will go wrong in a way that you can't the bug.
0:02:41And you maybe you'll never get all the I'm bored again that's been my experience with C.C.
0:02:45Across many different manufacturers and many years. So I asked to anyone use C.C. and Have good things to say about it.
0:02:51And I did get a bunch of people tweeting that they have.
0:02:54You know I have a mix component set up with components for different companies
0:02:57and it works for me I have a complete Panasonic set up
0:03:00and it works for me so probably maybe fewer than the top to click wizards
0:03:05but a surprising number of people are using C.C. and Are happy with a lot of them. It mentally.
0:03:10We have fairly simple needs like they like I turn the thing on and it's what should i am put turned the thing on.
0:03:16I think as the number of devices you connect.
0:03:18Increases and as you have a greater expectations like not only does it have to just auto switch and puts and.
0:03:25You know turn on the television stuff but do a bunch of other things in terms of changing surround settings
0:03:29or whatever other things you can do that maybe it goes more I I maybe it's gotten better since I bought my T.V.
0:03:35and Receiver a couple years ago so who knows but anyway. If you want to be optimistic about C.C.
0:03:41There are people out there who are using it successfully and happily and it's working for them.
0:03:45And Robert and thout wrote in to explain why C.C. Might be so terrible. He is a six designer.
0:03:52What does that stand for guys is that it has a whole I don't remember off hand at the shoe. Nicely done. Yeah.
0:04:00I can't leave it on others acronym of top my head. Australian Securities and Investments Commission Yeah.
0:04:06Kanchan specific integrated circuit Well you know how could I not pull that out I'm going to hold guys.
0:04:10All right anyway so nice again Janeiro with H.D.M.I. Experience and. He says the C.C.
0:04:17Protocol is crappy because only a limited set of commands are defined in the protocol
0:04:23and the rest is entirely up to the manufacture of the device so there's a small set of commands that are defined.
0:04:28And then device makers can make up anything they want.
0:04:31And so I assume Panasonic will make up a bunch of stuff that works with his own stuff
0:04:35and Sonny will make up stuff that works with his own stuff. And I top of that the spec for C.C.
0:04:40Says even the defined commands you don't have to implement them they're not mandatory.
0:04:44So even though they're a small number to find command you can extend them.
0:04:47You don't even have to employ of the defined command you could for example implement your own volume up down
0:04:52or input switching that works with your receiver not implement the the standard want it to my two point zero apparently
0:04:58fixes this but I see my two point zero isn't how to. Yet on a lot of hardware. So C. C. Could get better and H.D.
0:05:05My two point zero because I have learned from the past that if you let the manufacturers do whatever they want with
0:05:09your protocol they'll do. Things that are not conducive to mixing components.
0:05:14And maybe not even conducive to make thing with their own components from from distantly separated by time.
0:05:19And not having the defined command be mandatory like I don't know what kind of standard is that if you don't have to
0:05:25involve the blind man you make up your own commanded space with the Wild West.
0:05:29So that is the explanation for why people who had bad experiences with the bad experiences.
0:05:36All right moving on we had yet another. Excellent post from dear friend of the show underscore David Smith.
0:05:44My favorite.
0:05:45David Smith blog posts are when he goes Spong King into data that he has gathered or can discover
0:05:50and figure out little tidbits. Or perhaps confirm little tidbits that.
0:05:56That know that people theorize or maybe don't even realize is true.
0:06:00And so the blog posts that is in question which relates to what we had lamented last episode is intitled sixteen
0:06:08gigabytes is a bad user experience. And in this post.
0:06:12Underscore goes through his homegrown analytics that he has in his very popular Apple audiobooks.
0:06:20That's not a super duper duper nerdy app and so it's got a really good kind of installed base of regular people
0:06:30and he has these graphs of reported free space for sixteen gig Phones and. If you look at these graphs.
0:06:39It's abundantly obvious that almost all these phones have almost no available free space.
0:06:44And that just doesn't seem do it so I was it John that pulled out a couple of these choice quotes would you like to go
0:06:50over them.
0:06:50Yeah so the first thing is like if you know this is these are just the customers of one application
0:06:55but it's not a super nerdy application but anyway. This is the premise of discussion as.
0:07:00This is just among people who bought this one app from this one developer hoping it's representative of this is the
0:07:05best data we have. It seems like it could be representative of anything it might skew more nerdy. I don't know. Anyway.
0:07:11This is among six and six plus customers only forty three percent of i Phone six
0:07:17and six plus customers have sixteen gig models.
0:07:20That's what I was getting out and all I show
0:07:21and I say it used to be that the most popular model of whatever Apple product was always the most expensive fanciest
0:07:27one and that started to change. I don't know this point a decade ago. But anyway. It changed and now.
0:07:32Since Apple the mass market company and sells tons of other things I.
0:07:36If he's going to skew more towards how you expect.
0:07:37But even I was surprised to see that forty three percent of i Phone six X. Plus customers.
0:07:42Got a sixteen gig model because that's the newest fanciest i Phone It's not like we're saying that the people buying
0:07:48last year's of the year before phone or cheaping out. These are the people who want the new i Phone.
0:07:52And just wanted like I said the last show. Want to find the cheapest possible way they can get the sixteen gig model.
0:07:58Now among the people with a sixteen gig i Phone six
0:08:00and six plus is thirty seven percent of them have less than a gig of space available
0:08:04and less than a gig of space available just basically full like less than a gig is almost anything can happen.
0:08:10And it could push you over the edge you are.
0:08:12You know that's a point where I stand would start popping up dialogs in your face and saying.
0:08:16You're just looks like it's almost all you.
0:08:18You know do something about that and the other theories like OK well fine
0:08:24but I bet everybody feels of their phones well among people who have sixty four gig phones only one percent of them
0:08:30have filled them to that amount.
0:08:31So it's not as if space it doesn't matter cycling is on high we're all you just make the phone bigger all people are
0:08:37just going to fill it.
0:08:38There is a certain amount of stuff that people have or expected to encounter during the useful life time of the phone.
0:08:43And according to the stats. If you have a sixty four gig phone.
0:08:45Only one percent of the people have basically filled it. And among sixteen gig phones.
0:08:49Almost forty percent have felt it.
0:08:51And then finally taking these customers the ones who have a six and six plus who have filled it up.
0:08:59You know if you could multiplying the percentages the other half filled it up.
0:09:02There's a seventy percent of the customers of this audiobooks application.
0:09:06Are basically walking around all day as a newsgroup as if with the like a built around systemically
0:09:10and sword dangling over their head that I got that right. You know the big sort of swings back and forth.
0:09:15A ground ball. Is it the McLean I don't know. I'm going out on a limb here. Sort of Damocles. Anyway.
0:09:21I don't even know that well. Yeah you can look it up Marco. At some culture. Yeah. So.
0:09:28Seventeen percent of the customers now is just representative of all i Phone users in the entire world we don't know
0:09:33this again it's one developers customers for one kind of general interest app. Only the i Phone six Plus.
0:09:39But these numbers do not look promising like I I again I would think that underscores customers risk even more nerdy
0:09:46because he moves in nerdy circles he is nerdy some of the out two thousand already but other ones are like
0:09:51but I'm a plus plus and. The weather app and thought and the audiobooks opera just general.
0:09:56You know general interest applications. Yeah but we've said this for Apple has the real numbers.
0:10:01We don't have the real number so that impairs our ability to definitively shame them for selling sixteen gave my
0:10:08but the little data that we have you know we're not Apple not sharing this information the day that we can glean Here's
0:10:14some more support for the theory that a sixteen gig phone is not a good experience for users. Yeah it's.
0:10:20It seems completely obvious to me that this was a terrible terrible terrible decision and just like you said John.
0:10:25You know we don't have all the data that Apple has. But. Gosh. I would love to see what metric.
0:10:32They're using to justify this.
0:10:34And if it's not something related to profit or margins
0:10:38or something along those lines one of those businesses terms that are not very good with. Then the money money.
0:10:44I don't want to know what. What this metric is if it isn't just money.
0:10:50Because it seems so obvious to me that this is just terrible terrible terrible decision. I mean it's look.
0:10:57I'm totally agree with you it's you can look at all the different possible explanations of why they might reasonably
0:11:03have done this
0:11:04but none of them are particularly strong especially for a very high profit product like the i Phone even at the sixteen
0:11:11gig passably.
0:11:13So the reality is Apple very well could ship that device with thirty two or even sixty four at that price point
0:11:20and barely affect the margins of that product at all
0:11:24but I think the reason they do it as I said before is not because they can't afford to put sixteen gigs in a six
0:11:31hundred fifty dollar. Phone. Where is that what it is. It's not because of that.
0:11:36It's because if they did that it would hurt sales of the one of the hundred dollars more.
0:11:40And so it would drive their average sale price down. In all likelihood So that is why it's not done.
0:11:46It's simple as that.
0:11:47If there is no any other explanation is really just grasping at straws trying to make an excuse that is the real reason.
0:11:55I completely agree. I could go on forever about this but I feel like we've kind of beaten this hordes beaten.
0:12:00This horse I should say moving. Let's talk about the i Phone six S. Battery.
0:12:05We had I guess we had talked about it hit it getting a little bit smaller last episode is that right.
0:12:10One way or another it got smaller and. The numbers say that the i Phone six.
0:12:15Had one thousand eight hundred ten million power battery the i Phone six S.
0:12:20Has one thousand seven hundred fifteen so most exactly one hundred million power difference.
0:12:24And that is about a five percent loss. In terms of the new i Phones. Six S. Battery.
0:12:32Or I guess that's just the success I'm sorry not the success plus which is a little bit of a loss
0:12:37but presumably the the different. Chips on the device and they did a shrink didn't say on this one.
0:12:44Yeah they did member in the keynote they wanted to say that it is shrink
0:12:47but they didn't like regular person speak instead of going to.
0:12:51And so confused and confused all the nerds like with a thing they did it as they trying to say Shrink. Yeah.
0:12:56I'm pretty sure that it is trying to make what the other thing to do very often is reduce the number of chips.
0:13:01Get chips the combined functionality previously took two separate chips.
0:13:05I'm assuming that they can absorb a cyber Zen loss with combined with the shrink in the efficiencies of.
0:13:09Just a second crack at the same size form factor so it probably should be fine
0:13:14but again I don't want to put some hard numbers on like the last show I looked like that vibration tapped again
0:13:18when things become a lot of room well. Quantified and.
0:13:21Quantifying it looks like it's about five percent and by the way. These numbers are pulled from.
0:13:26Apple's videos where they like Pan over the Arabs and show the battery. And on the battery is stamped the power rating.
0:13:34And of course the i Phone six everybody knows from you know tear down and stuff so.
0:13:37Although it does also leak before hand. This information leaked.
0:13:41Weeks before actually that and I believe the leak was right on.
0:13:46Yeah for years they are
0:13:47but you know I just give people the source because of the ever turns out that the video was wrong because someone
0:13:53Photoshop that number on their English were wrong in the real battery is different than. You know. Anyway.
0:13:58I mean one thing to consider all sorts of all this.
0:14:02The five percent loss of rock a passage and saying it's the same battery life.
0:14:07That could also even if you ignore any kind of component changes they made I was nine more battery efficient.
0:14:13And so they could. They couldn't say. Oh it gets access our lives.
0:14:17Just because it's a new US they do the same thing on the max of the laptops.
0:14:21They also I don't know if they're if they're including in their battery runtime estimates.
0:14:26If they are including the low power mode being turned on at ten percent or whatever it is twenty
0:14:31or ten the turns on the VAT is not automatically turn on it prompts you to turn it on and so.
0:14:36But I'm I'm guessing if you want to fight a number a little bit really optimize your number.
0:14:41They would probably do that and they could argue that's fair because most people would do that anyway so it could be.
0:14:46It could be including those things where it wasn't before. So keep that in mind when you read the official estimates.
0:14:54We'll see what happens in practice I am still very skeptical. I guess went to XO xo. And I took the six plus with me.
0:15:04And I've been using the six. All year except for one to kill another trip around of the series of trips.
0:15:09But I went back to the six plus for this trip for battery life primarily and. Wow It is glorious.
0:15:14And I'm going back to the six. After a week of us expose again.
0:15:18Oh my God it's so so bad I wish they would meaningfully improve the battery life.
0:15:25But it's very clear that they think this is good enough. And I don't and so we just disagree on that.
0:15:32I will so I will say one thing though that. You know in on this battery topic.
0:15:37We've talked in the past about how the reason the phone might be this.
0:15:42Skinny and light and have a mediocre rhetoric life is John I believe what you.
0:15:46Term the naked robotic core theory which is that you know the ideal phone is really tiny thing that you can that is so
0:15:53small that you can put it in a case. If you want some other ability whether it's more durability more battery life.
0:15:59Whatever whatever cases can offer. You can put it in a case to fix a chore comings of being small.
0:16:06And then if you want a really small phone you can just carry the naked Phone and.
0:16:11So I looked after this trip over the last few days have been I've been trying to research i Phone battery cases.
0:16:17And I had one in the past and it was so big and clunky I never really used it.
0:16:22And that medicine fit my current phone now but I look to see what's out there today and they're just so. So terrible.
0:16:29And I feel like one of the biggest arguments against the naked robotic core theory is just how bad.
0:16:35All the other cases are like. If you want to give this phone. Fifty percent more battery life.
0:16:41You have to add so much bulk. And so much size. Way more than if they would have is built in to begin with.
0:16:48Plus it's this big like you know plastic thing with some stupid logo on the back to you that's so ugly
0:16:53and tacky that no one's heard of from some some case company who cares right to care in the stupid logo.
0:16:58And then you have this. And then you have like this giant plug in the bottom.
0:17:03The phone has to be extended by like a half inch. Just to have room for this plug and it's it's the.
0:17:09It's the bulkiest most terrible decision ever
0:17:11and so this is I think like a huge strike against the naked robotic core theory is that by by.
0:17:19By doing that by by going that direction. And but by.
0:17:23Let's say you want more battery OK by battery case that argument falls apart
0:17:28when all the battery cases are varying degrees of terrible. So I generally agree with you.
0:17:34I DO YOU HAVE A landmark battery case which I'll put the link in the show notes for what I have.
0:17:41And I use it only
0:17:42when I know that I'm going to need some extra juice which is almost never the only time I took a CLI use it is that
0:17:49like W T C.
0:17:51And when I go to football games when my phone is just desperately melting it's on battery trying to search for service.
0:18:00And it is exactly as you describe it is enormous. It is bulky.
0:18:05It is it was not cheap I don't remember how much it was it was cheaper than the movie was at the time and I.
0:18:12I've chosen for more than just frugality I feel while so I chose maybe the batteries a little bit bigger.
0:18:18It adds a crap load a bulk to phone that I still think is a little bit big for my taste.
0:18:25But that being said just today I got an email from movie where they have announced a new juice pack which is their line
0:18:32of batteries called the Juice Pack reserve and will put that link in the show no it's not just put in the chat room.
0:18:37This one is a very very very slim line battery that does not looked ad very much baulked at all.
0:18:44In fact in the email which I don't have in front of me. They had him. They had. Here it is now in the same page.
0:18:51They show that without the juice packets. Six point eight six millimeters.
0:18:56And with this Juice Pack reserve it is fourteen point seven nine millimeters.
0:19:02Whereas with the averages they say it are typical as they say a protective case. It would be fifteen millimeters.
0:19:08So in other words. It is no thicker than a normal case you would put on your phone by whatever they define normal.
0:19:14This actually looks extremely appealing to me
0:19:16and I would absolutely buy one if it wasn't for the fact that I already have a case.
0:19:20So this might be the exception proves the rule. Generally speaking though I think you hit the nail on the head.
0:19:24They are all terrible in huge and bulky and annoying. It is terrible and huge to people like us though. Like you.
0:19:30I mean I think forget battery gays just think. Cases.
0:19:33We all see people with cases on their phones that we consider hideous and huge
0:19:37and ridiculous I've seen people with non battery cases that are bigger than any battery case that I've seen that are
0:19:43colored like the rainbow that.
0:19:45That might as well have like fins and wedges poking out of them
0:19:48and people love them so there's no accounting for taste right so that set that aside. The thing I would say is that.
0:19:53As every time this comes up I say that there's a place in Apple's line for a phone that is thicker
0:19:58and has more battery life. That is not the six plus.
0:20:01They don't currently make that but if they keep diversifying maybe eventually they will
0:20:05and that would satisfy Marco's need for Johnny I have to designed hopefully non tough long coated nice look.
0:20:12PHONE OR DOES NOT to deal with someone else's things lapping onto or does not to deal with it extending the ports
0:20:17and there was a different logo.
0:20:18And all the things that he finds distasteful about it but I would say that people like him
0:20:23and people like me are in the vast minority based on what I see on the world of how much people love their super ugly
0:20:29like a wallet credit card. You know a car jack combined. Whatever like bottle opener i Phone cases like seriously.
0:20:39I thought of all the problems that you know that's. I would think that people consider that a feature like yours.
0:20:44That is the one thing of the naked robotic
0:20:46or allows allows people to exercise their different tastes Let's say you know what your taste of the sticker.
0:20:54Please don't encourage stickers.
0:20:55Because the public melt of the thing because I get so warm as you noted when you used it without a case or.
0:21:00It's Yeah I think I mean I've turned into a case first and with the six simply because.
0:21:06And I guess use the Apple leather case because it's really slim and feels very good I always like the feel of leather.
0:21:12New title. Even that I because the six is just such a bad phone to hold and and.
0:21:19I've I've heard rumblings that the new phone is significantly grip here.
0:21:25But I have my doubts that you know because the shape like it's the same shape. And the six.
0:21:31Is a problem for two main reasons. One is the shape one is the is the slickness of the metal.
0:21:36And so even if they've made the slickness of the metal better.
0:21:40The shape is such that it's still probably going to be very hard to hold.
0:21:43You tell me you didn't get the whole wanted X O X O. You don't have to say who will let you hold it.
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0:24:15So before we get off this topic. One thing I want to bring up earlier was the idea of an Apple brand as battery case.
0:24:22Apple has been making him. Seems like more and more accessories lately. But yet as you know third party everything.
0:24:29But there's also first party. A lot of stuff that they brought the dock back recently.
0:24:33The new one I think even has a headphone port on the back of it and you can get it in pink I mean excuse me rose gold.
0:24:40It's so pink just own it. Just say it's pink.
0:24:43I haven't seen them person yet I assume it's pink in the same weight of the gold one of the gold
0:24:47and the answer is like barely but anyway. No no no no no it's. It's really think.
0:24:51Yes so I haven't seen the phone but I did go to the Apple store Sunday. Oh I should do this quick.
0:24:57For well I'll get to that in a second.
0:24:58Anyway once the up store Sunday saw the watch the rose gold watch it was pink it was not rose gold it was pink.
0:25:04It's very much think. I mean it's. It does look like it's roughly the same saturation. As the gold. But it is you know.
0:25:13Unquestionably unashamedly pink. And I don't know why don't just call it pink.
0:25:18If you would never look at this color and say that's rose gold. No it's pink and pink is great.
0:25:23Why don't know why you why you wouldn't just own that. Yeah I think it looks good. I really honestly do.
0:25:28So I agree with you anyway I'm sorry we totally hijacked your I thought here John.
0:25:31Yeah I remember I was my thought I think Apple AAPL making better Has Apple makes a bunch stuff that they make leather
0:25:38cases they don't make waves in one case him
0:25:40or they make that make a leather case the have the silicone case they have those weird things with the holes in them on
0:25:45the back of the old i Pod Touches. At the docks they have you know.
0:25:50Why wouldn't they make a battery case of ensuring that they did like the idea of a wealth Apple made on market would
0:25:56like it
0:25:56but based on the accessories that they have made likely I don't think that's guaranteed I mean I'm maybe they would
0:26:02have a higher chance of making a battery case that market would not find objectionable
0:26:06but I mean just look at those docs where your entire phone is sitting on the lightning port. That great.
0:26:12It's kind of wobbly and. You know it makes me a. Listen a lot of cases good.
0:26:18Most of the cases are always like the bumper member of the bumper they made I thought Yes a really nice case because it
0:26:24had like the shiny edges but that I had rubber on the parts that you grip than had metal buttons and them. Anyway.
0:26:31If that ever happens maybe it will help. Marco with his battery was. I like the bumpers well.
0:26:37But I will say that for the five S. and The six.
0:26:40I have been rocking the Apple Apple whether case I have gotten it in black because that's the way it should be done
0:26:46and beyond that it's probably the only one that doesn't eventually turn black and white because it's already black.
0:26:52I quite like this. Apple other case. If.
0:26:55If I was brave enough I would roll without a case at all but I'm not that brave
0:27:00and although I have yet to break in the i Phone It is only a matter of time and now it's probably jinxed.
0:27:05What I've purchased which will talk about the minute.
0:27:08So I will hopefully stick with this apple weather case going forward.
0:27:12Before we talk about our purchases from this past weekend.
0:27:15I want to do very brief very quick follow up with regard to my crescent moon on my i Phone six.
0:27:22Again if you haven't been keeping along. Keeping up.
0:27:25And following along that is there was a crescent moon kind of thing.
0:27:30In in the front facing camera believe they call it the Face Time camera on my i Phone six.
0:27:34I realized that we were running out of warranty time for those of us who purchased on launch day like I did.
0:27:40And so I took my i Phone into the local Apple store this past Sunday.
0:27:47I mention the crescent moon the genius didn't even blink twice he said OK we will get you a new screen it'll take about
0:27:53forty five minutes. He took my phone for me.
0:27:57Interesting Lee He forced me to turn off like not a jerky way he should say he asked me to turn off.
0:28:03Find my i Phone which I guess isn't a bad thing but it struck me as a little bit odd.
0:28:10They're doing is replacing the screen.
0:28:12Why does that really matter maybe in case they screw something up and then a need to replace the phone.
0:28:17I don't know if we had people write in about the to one person was super angry about having to have the you know being
0:28:21told to like enter his passwords and unlock everything in one encrypted and turn off the like whatever.
0:28:26I I'm always nervous about what is actually going on it's like on the Grinch takes your Christmas tree back to repair
0:28:33it right. If you don't.
0:28:35And then a little while later you're going to emerge with another thing that you say is my phone
0:28:41or any part of those songs related to my just getting a new refurbished phone do you really replace the screen does
0:28:46this thing. Come apart and go back together in a way that is you know.
0:28:52It meant to come apart and I feel as a possible to even do that is it one way
0:28:55or somebody I'm always nervous about things like this is why I always just really hope by.
0:29:00When the lottery and get something that doesn't have any problems is like my old laptop like once.
0:29:06I opened up by all that talk to replace the hard drive and. It's never been the same again. I'm not good at doing that.
0:29:12Priscilla they're better at the Apple store where they do it over and over and over again
0:29:15but I'm always nervous about that in the smaller the thing gets the more.
0:29:19Yeah I don't know they've got a better than I am but still.
0:29:22As far as I can tell I did get the same phone back I mean I didn't need to restore from backup all the a lot of that's
0:29:28but if they have you turn off all that stuff that's the whole thing you know.
0:29:31You know done is put like a tiny microscopic.
0:29:34You know etching of your initials in some part of the case that they say they're not replacing and see still there
0:29:38when you get it back put a hair cross the headphone port and you'll know.
0:29:43I mean it's hard to tell because the things lived in the case pretty much since day one but as it does look good.
0:29:49I'm not going to lie mean it to I don't. I didn't inspect it for scoffs as apparently the genius had noted that it had.
0:29:56I do you know that where there was a little scratch in the screen there isn't a scratch anymore
0:30:00but that makes sense because they replaced the screen. But I had a couple of beta Absolutely.
0:30:05Still work all the stuff that was once on my phone is still on my phone.
0:30:10I mean maybe Apple can do like a bit for bit restore.
0:30:14What's on the phone
0:30:15but everything that I can see that indicates that all I got was a screen is is what happened it appears to me that all
0:30:22I got was a screen oh that's very likely because that is that is the way most of them are fix most of them are not
0:30:27swapped out. That's how my MS fixed or this year for the same reason before you.
0:30:32Parent Lee cause like this global shortage of time on our show.
0:30:37Yeah I did get it we are we did get some reports in that some. Some people went to the.
0:30:44To the Genius Bar and there
0:30:45and were specifically asked owed you listen to the accidental Tech podcast because we've gotten a lot of you in here
0:30:51lately. Which I genuinely hand on heart made me extraordinarily proud I was very happy to hear that.
0:30:57But yes I did get a place Green My understanding is some people did get replaced phones in fact one person wrote in
0:31:03and said.
0:31:04Well I went in right around closing time and they didn't want to deal with it so they just gave me a new phone.
0:31:09Which I thought was pretty awesome the good strategy which is a pretty solid strategy I wish I'd thought of that it
0:31:13didn't work for me like when I went in in the evening when I went to get mine fixed or this year
0:31:17and they just told me come back tomorrow. Oh well.
0:31:20They kept it overnight and has had come back tomorrow so that will and you know what when I go in there.
0:31:26I try to avoid having service done on my current active on and. If I really do have to have a done.
0:31:33I will just switch to an old phone and wipe it.
0:31:35Because like I because I don't because you know the whole idea of like oh I'm like.
0:31:38Because they told me to take off your pass code like.
0:31:41Does it do easily tell you this Able all of your security on your device. And I say. No I'm not doing that.
0:31:48That's that is not an option.
0:31:50So I guess I just wipe my devices whenever I have to get them serviced and and it's inconvenient but that's.
0:31:56It's terrible they make people do that and.
0:31:58Whatever the reason is they should find a better way to do with it doesn't require that you know that they'll say oh
0:32:03well a certain tools won't run well then. You're Apple make tools that run like that you know you can do that..
0:32:09There's no reason to to get people to disable all the security. While doing a hardware repair that is complete B.S.
0:32:17Well I think there might be some legit reason is because the whole idea is that there's no secret backdoor key to get
0:32:24it your data that I blast writing is I want to make something work here essentially asking them to put a backdoor so
0:32:30some point there has to be someone know I'm saying for a hardware repair like.
0:32:33If it's a screen replacement Why do they need access to the software on the phone for a screenplays.
0:32:38They probably do want to do a full backup of your thing in case the guy slips of the screwdriver humbling and you know.
0:32:45Cracked the chip on the thing and I had to give you a new phone and then you say but where is all my Dad I don't know.
0:32:50I don't know if that's true though because he specifically the genius that I was speaking to specifically.
0:32:56Went to went into the settings so my phone went to the i Cloud backup or.
0:33:02Believe it was I cloud backup screen said well you know you haven't back this up so i Cloud Now while have you back
0:33:07this up your computer. And I said yes. Last night and at that point he was completely satisfied.
0:33:14But I think there would have been a little bit of a little bit of a kerfuffle if I'd said no I haven't packed this up
0:33:22in ages why do you ask. He also didn't. If memory serves he did not expressly ask me to remove my pass code.
0:33:29But he was a very well.
0:33:31The funny thing about it was he wasn't clear about why he wanted my Apple ID password
0:33:36and he handed me the phone to type it in your not that he needed it himself.
0:33:39But as I was typing it in I looked at what he was doing and he was disabling Find My i Phone.
0:33:44So basically he just wanted to make sure that I had a backup he wanted to make sure Find My i Phone was not on.
0:33:50And then at that point he was satisfied.
0:33:53And the way the tipster is frustrated when I listen to him he says it was impossible to. Ring out he says a repair.
0:34:03There.
0:34:04If you don't find my phone on and do the till he is
0:34:06but I think about it all comes down to is that they want to be able to use your phone even if they're not making a
0:34:11backup which makes sense because that Paul doesn't usually care about your data. They want to like.
0:34:16When they're doing the screen repair assume that
0:34:18when it's green repair is over they want to make sure everything works. They want to be able to tap.
0:34:22Things on the screen and if your screen is locked and it's going to like a race itself. After ten.
0:34:28You know like they have to be able to get your stuff somehow otherwise like you can't just do
0:34:33and I'll hardware repair blind.
0:34:35And just repair it and give it back to me and then when I turned on I'm sure that it will work
0:34:39and I'm sure that you know I like like I said I don't.
0:34:42I don't think it's possible for them to not ask you to undo some amount of security to do repair any kind of repair
0:34:50even just a hardware repair just so they can verify that the hardware repair with accessible.
0:34:54So it makes some sense maybe the geniuses aren't telling people because it's very difficult to explain why that might
0:35:00need to do this whenever I've brought a Macin for repair. I've always just wipe the entire thing.
0:35:07I put in a single account. Username Apple password Apple on entirely raced hard drive.
0:35:11I take out all my third party ram like I've you know. Back in the day. If I brought something to the Apple store.
0:35:18It's just so much easier to do that when you know to deal with anything like that sometimes I put in a new hard drive.
0:35:23Like you know. Most of my mac was still at home.
0:35:26Because of the part I was repairing with not that especially in the days
0:35:29when they're cranky about third party ram like here you go over the box stock computer with no date on a single account
0:35:33called Apple Apple. How about it and Marco's Marcus basically you have the stones. And it is annoying.
0:35:39But it makes your repair experience smoother in exchange for you spending some time at home to do stuff just make sure
0:35:46you do like a actual encrypted local backup that will save all your passwords
0:35:50and you know to wait for your apps to restore over the course of several hours from the App Store. You know.
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0:39:14I for one am in for two phones. Bought or a pre ordered. Erin a rose gold. Sixty four gig i Phone six S.
0:39:24And I pre-ordered myself a space gray. Sixty four gig i Phone six S. I'm not part of the plus club.
0:39:31Because I actually know what I'm talking about.
0:39:35Marco did you actually did you eventually give in and join the plus club. You know.
0:39:40One of the reasons I brought the six plus two XO xo.
0:39:43Was that the pre-orders were going to open up about in the middle of my trip
0:39:47and so I figured I'd give it that I was on the fence.
0:39:49To give one more time to see like you know I really was undecided cause I really as I said I really have not been happy
0:39:55with the six battery life and I really do appreciate the larger screen. During many of the things I do.
0:40:01Of the six plus. So I was really on the fence. What However you know.
0:40:07So I moved all my stuff over the night before I left.
0:40:10Move move move all my stuff over and start using the phone and literally within twenty minutes. I was like.
0:40:17Nope not a boy so Mike was wrong for me. Yeah I mean. So there's a number of.
0:40:26You know this explode as I said there are a lot of benefits to it and if you can use it and hold it comfortably.
0:40:33Then more power to you it is a great device for a lot of people.
0:40:36What didn't do it for me is two things number one and it's not how big it feels in the hand.
0:40:43I got used to that last time. It's fine. What it is for me is the size in the pocket. Which is a big deal and like.
0:40:52If you. I'm not a phone on the table kind of person. I keep my phone in my pocket. If I'm sitting down somewhere.
0:40:58So if I need to use my phone or check my phone or something. I'm taking it in and out of my pocket. A lot right.
0:41:05So any like a phone that large.
0:41:08It's like taking a dinner tray out of your pocket like it is so I thought so it's very clumsy.
0:41:14To to enter moves and secondly. What's another thing that's weird about the six plus.
0:41:21Is that a lot of apps that don't normally rotate on the six. Do rotate on the six plus. And when they do rotate.
0:41:29They go into this like weird. Like miniature I've had now I've had many I guess.
0:41:34This this nano I've had mode where they will use a split view the way i Pads doing this is part of the whole universal
0:41:40thing now you know I know Howard Smith take a side it considers it like a mini i Pad and so you'll have a disk this.
0:41:46Cramped. Weird tiny. I Pad like split interface and a lot of apps. When you were take them and I did.
0:41:53I found that rotates more easily.
0:41:54I don't know maybe just happy to do it maybe I just wasn't used to it
0:41:57but whatever I use the six plus it's constantly rotating. When I didn't want to and.
0:42:03I tried rotation lock but like you know then.
0:42:05Then you go to look at a photo or watch a video to turn of side and you got to undo it it's a pain.
0:42:09And I found that even. Even you know I'm used to the. I Phone six and.
0:42:15I don't have these problems on the section I haven't has problems in any previous i Phone.
0:42:19Including ones I wasn't used to look like when I first got the six. And it was.
0:42:23I'm going up a size so I'm not used to holding it.
0:42:25I didn't have these problems with that so I know it isn't just I'm not used to the six plus.
0:42:29It's just that the six plus like springboard rotates lots of inverted and they do in a weird way
0:42:33and so I I just found I found it cumbersome. In those two big ways and.
0:42:39So those are important enough especially the pocket size. Those are important enough that I couldn't do it now.
0:42:47In the future you know Apple likes to make things. Dinner and smaller.
0:42:51So if they can like shave off more of the margins I don't know I mean. It is heavy but it doesn't matter if they can.
0:42:58If they somehow like if we ever get like the borderless.
0:43:01I Phone the like that loses the chin on the top and bottom you know somehow. God knows how.
0:43:05But if they somehow do that then I would consider it again. But as of now.
0:43:10It's just too big for me you know way for a flexible one.
0:43:14That's a very annoyed me most about even a sex I finally got to unfold your phone just curves like the six I find
0:43:21uncomfortable in my pants pockets because it is so like should stay is flat it doesn't conform to the ship my lighter
0:43:29anything it kind of stretches the pants out a little bit. So flexible and probably in our lifetime.
0:43:35Hopefully will say dad John did your family buy anything. No didn't buy anything.
0:43:40I don't even know where people are all talking about staying up late and I had in the beginning
0:43:44when people first are tweeting about it now. I'm not like. And here's the reason not just because I'm not getting.
0:43:50I mean I was probably going to get a success but we're not in a hurry.
0:43:53She's actually I think you've got a couple more months before she can actually get it.
0:43:57Let me go to the Apple store and look at it.
0:43:59But the final reason and the same reason I always sort of hold off on these things with a few regs options.
0:44:04Is you get the first one you get crescent moon it's like anything anywhere manufacturing the fact that we tap the tap
0:44:11again on your watch your whatever like you don't want the first cars off the assembly line right you want to run I'll
0:44:15find all those problems I have a six but I didn't buy a launched I bought it.
0:44:20Not too far after launch but after everyone had gotten the first round of phones maybe the second round of phones
0:44:25and so.
0:44:26Mine was manufactured on a line where hopefully they had worked out more of the kinks and lo
0:44:29and behold they have no crescent moon.
0:44:31And so far no other problems with my phone so that is my strategy
0:44:35but I'm not even getting a sex my wife is going to get a six plus but not imminently. Well six after six plus sorry.
0:44:41Success Yeah. Other stupid names they're killing me. I just want to make sure we all agree that Mike was wrong.
0:44:46I'm not participating in this.
0:44:50That's because you're a better man than I thought Are You a Secret Six plus user is that why you Springer football
0:44:54and conferences. Plus you know their goodness. What the I should note is that.
0:45:02I've been kicking around the idea of getting the new i Pad Mini What is that whole i Pad mini for is that right.
0:45:08Yeah the weird IO by the way. Quick follow up I was wrong about the C.P.U.
0:45:12In that I had said last episode that there is now no difference between the i Pad Air two
0:45:18and the many for except for screen size. That is wrong. The the mini four has an UK has an up close to eight.
0:45:26Processor. So it is slightly faster than an i Phone six. In benchmarks..
0:45:31The end and that's a dual core processor the heir to. As the eight X. Which is a triple core processor.
0:45:38And so the at various benchmarks and stuff that we've seen so far.
0:45:43The the I've had many for is faster than than the Mini three it is a nice chip
0:45:49but it is very close to the performance of of an i Phone six and.
0:45:53Not very close to the much higher performance of the air to. That's correct. And so I thought about.
0:46:00We'll replacing my beloved red the Pad Mini with a new i Pad Mini four. And I haven't pulled the trigger yet.
0:46:10And part of that is because I just spent seven hundred dollars whatever it was on to completely contract for the i
0:46:17Phones.
0:46:19And I did that because I just that's the way I wanted to do it I'm not saying it was the best approach I'm not saying
0:46:23it's. It was the most frugal it's just what I wanted to do. Please don't email me. But.
0:46:29So I dropped all this money and I and I probably shouldn't be spending any more
0:46:32but the other reason I haven't done it is. I'm kind of bummed not surprised. Bombed that three D. Touch.
0:46:39Hasn't made it to the i Pad yet. And I want to wait.
0:46:45If I can now last time I saw this was about the watchman saw how well THAT worked out but I want to wait if I can
0:46:51and see what treaty touch is all about and see if I really like it and see if it's see if it's like earth shattering
0:46:57and just completely life changing and if it is then.
0:47:01Maybe I'll just hold out for Hopefully next year when i Pad's get three D. Touch.
0:47:08Although we'll see what ends up happening.
0:47:10Knowing me I'll probably buy it for myself like a Christmas present or something like that.
0:47:15But for now for the next at least a few weeks I am holding off.
0:47:19Alright any other thoughts about Saturday morning purchases. All right.
0:47:24Oh the other thing I actually want to ask you guys did you hear anything about really really bad inventory.
0:47:29Issues like there were last year with the i Phone six because I did not.
0:47:33It seemed like the inventory was considerably better for this year than last
0:47:38and I don't know if that's because most people are not on the a cycle. I don't know if it's because they were fine.
0:47:43You know last year we finally got the bigger phones that some of the people have been clamoring for.
0:47:48But I did not hear any big grumbling about oh I really wanted the blog but it was sold out by the time I got through.
0:47:58Did you guys hear anything.
0:47:59Cell numbers are bigger this year than last year so it's not like you know what they're saying.
0:48:03So far rumors whatever is that they're selling even more than they saw last year I think it's just that they had more
0:48:09lead time to build up inventory and. Why they have more lead time because this is an S.C.R.
0:48:14Not making entirely new phone an entirely new shape. And you know. So that's.
0:48:19If they're going to have a year where they have more inventory it's going to be an S.C.R.
0:48:22Imagine because they're they're kind of used to making phones like this and they know they're doing
0:48:27and that the scheduling just worked out yeah example although some people are saying that if you went to a particular
0:48:32carriers Web site a lot of those had really crappy dates for like when you're going to get your phone.
0:48:36And that's just like however. Apple is distributing the inventory they do make and you know.
0:48:41Presumably they're keeping us there from selves.
0:48:44So yeah the but that was speaking of staying up late and ordering a phone.
0:48:48I did see tweets from a bunch of people who like I didn't stay up late I just woke up on an all time in the morning
0:48:52and I got on line or my phone and it was still in stock and it's going to come right away and you know. Was.
0:48:59Yeah I mean the morning after that after the launch like the. You know later that morning.
0:49:04Nine hours later or whatever I looked at all the all the configurations I was curious and.
0:49:08The only one that was showing any delay
0:49:10and it was only a small delay was the six plus in some of the colors including the new pink one. The regular sex.
0:49:17Even the pink one was fine. And actually so I guess look right now. If you can if you could Apple's site right now.
0:49:23Now. And configure the common boring Dick phone. Which is the sixty four gig black. Success.
0:49:30That is still saying delivers nine hundred five which is the first day any of them are delivering So this is still
0:49:34there is going to want Yeah if you can write. So I did have to wake up at three in the damn morning.
0:49:39No I didn't see all those tweets about us part of the fun part of the fun of you know.
0:49:44As as a tipster saying that at RIM don't treasure that next year.
0:49:47I don't know you never know it all depends on how many good they make before they went on sale
0:49:51and that's a factor of scheduling and.
0:49:54You know the timing of the whatever event they're going to have and everything else they have to announce.
0:49:58And you know any glitches in manufacturing and blah blah blah. Anyway.
0:50:04So this is a good year for everyone to get their phones. I just hope you don't all have the whatever the new iteration.
0:50:09Rather new incarnation of the crescent moon is broken home button. We could have to click.
0:50:14Whatever you will say as a tactic engine that may or may not work etc etc. All right so speaking of new purchases..
0:50:22Marco did you purchase anything recently that was very very very cheap. For one dollar. Oh yeah the Apple T.V. Yeah..
0:50:31To McMahon pay attention. Yeah yeah the developer lottery Apple T.V. Yes. I registered for that. I won. I guess.
0:50:40I don't think Malouda say thing about it. I agreed to something. I guess. Yeah.
0:50:45I don't know I agreed to not write about and talk about like the actual device and what it's like.
0:50:53But I don't remember if that agreement included that I mean a lot to mention whether I have one or not but I mean.
0:50:59As of right now I don't have one. So there we go. Yeah.
0:51:03I'm disappointed in my Twitter timeline which I read exhaustively that I didn't know that this lottery was even a thing
0:51:09until people were finding out whether they had one and not that I would have undergone montevallo.
0:51:13Apple two Yeah but I don't even know about THIS IS US is not a big deal. The lottery.
0:51:18Yeah I heard about it and I had I heard about it when people were saying oh I got when I didn't get one
0:51:23or like what are you talking about and I went to the website and look at it. It was a reference. Yeah I know anyway.
0:51:29But I think I want to a timeline people were talking about it.
0:51:31Oh bleakly without anyone actually ever saying it are linking to a story
0:51:35or writing a blog post about her doing anything like that.
0:51:38So anyway a bunch of people who Isn't that the some number thrown out there for how many they gave where they gave away.
0:51:45a bunch of Apple T.V. S.
0:51:47I saw some people speculating that these were originally going to be W W D C style look under your seat for yes for
0:51:54every attendees and every every See been of course Apple T.V. Was launched doubled over the city.
0:51:58That would have been cool.
0:52:00I would have been excited to get one I'm buying one anyway so whatever doesn't make a difference to tips
0:52:05or says it every time he sees thing is true.
0:52:08I think I saw someone posting pictures of the packaging
0:52:11and it was all fancy packaging with like inspirational words all of which fits with the rumor of these were meant to be
0:52:17gifts for developers that every every see which kind of out of character for Apple to goes.
0:52:21I can't since the apology mouse I haven't given away any significant hardware at any of their events that's totally a
0:52:28global thing to do and lots of other conferences like I think when you want to build one. You know they gave her an X.
0:52:32Box once in the give them Oh yeah. Surfaces and.
0:52:35You know Android phones all horses of like that every most for hardware Apple. So I get with the program.
0:52:42Maybe next year
0:52:43but this is it's the kind of thing like giving a bunch of developers I mean the rumor that we heard is that there are
0:52:49tens of thousands of these given out. Given a bunch of developers. Early access to hardware.
0:52:55They're very excited to develop for that has a really apparently haven't looked at it yet
0:52:59but everyone saying it's a very easy S.T.K.
0:53:01Because it is it is really very close to Iowa last I mean it is I was basically you know.
0:53:05And just like with certain frameworks not available in certain new frameworks but they're very close to.
0:53:12Giving giving a whole bunch of developers who are excited about this early access making them feel special
0:53:16and letting them make their apps on a real device that.
0:53:20You know before it's available to the public that is really valuable to get the app story started
0:53:24and you know maybe they learned from the watch you know with the watch the apps Tory but the watch early on.
0:53:31And honestly still is pretty weak
0:53:33and a lot of that was because of just limitations of watch us one in the material to watch it
0:53:37but a lot of that was also because the developers.
0:53:40For the most part didn't have early access you know if you did
0:53:42but most didn't have really access to the hardware so this is this thing is pretty cool. I think it's a smart move.
0:53:51It's a kind of move that you're right that we wouldn't have expected this from from the apple of even two
0:53:56or three years ago.
0:53:58But now it seems like Apple is making more of these like Apple would Apple never do that kind of very pragmatic moves.
0:54:05And that's that's a good thing I think everybody wins here I don't think there's any downside.
0:54:09They've already announced that you know no one's going to blow any secrets.
0:54:12They've already shown it off like crazy so they don't have to worry about that. I think it's a great.
0:54:16Well it's also the cheapest platform they sell like they're going to give you a device. You know like.
0:54:21If you have to pick one to get even the watches Mark Spence of like this is one hundred fifty for the.
0:54:25The small on yes no watch it on hundred fifty. And like the free phones don't count because of you know.
0:54:30Plans and subsidies or whatever so yeah it's going to give something away. Start with this one I don't you know people..
0:54:36Here's the thing about like. I think people were excited to make Watch apps. And it seemed like for the T.V.
0:54:45People were excited for other people to make T.V. Apps. Like I think to see you know.
0:54:49I would like their for the absolute for the to you
0:54:50but it wasn't there's not a straight line from people who develop it or watch. Mac or I left. Apps to say.
0:54:59And you can do it on T.V.
0:55:01It's like well it's not a touchscreen it's not a mouse it's not a keyboard if I don't have any
0:55:05or content to show I'm not quite sure what I'll make.
0:55:07But if you give them free hardware the like you know what let me try thinking softly.
0:55:11Maybe if I can come up with something that we have some kind of idea so I think this is just the kind of platform where
0:55:16the developers might need a little boost to get to get moving and get motivated about IF YOU GET A FREE.
0:55:23If you get free hardware like maybe I do have a couple ideas let me try this let me try that maybe you know you might
0:55:27surprise yourself whereas if you don't have the free hardware you're probably just convince yourself that none of your
0:55:33existing applications or skills or ideas for apps are a pleasurable to such a big screen if you sit far away from
0:55:38and can't touch. That's pretty wild. Speaking of Apple T.V.
0:55:42We should note that last episode I had said and then I don't know maybe I'll get it maybe I won't..
0:55:49And I had said that my beloved plex. If that was available on the Apple T.V.
0:55:57I would probably insta buy it and in the time between last episode this episode.
0:56:03World gotten contact with the Plex I think C.E.O..
0:56:07and Has stated that yes they are developing a plex client for the Apple T.V. So that means I'll probably be buying one.
0:56:15Why don't you tell us about clicks versus top Strawn skip that one has the last last week I looked at the like a
0:56:26developer documentation that had the animation showing showing the new Apple T.V.
0:56:30Remote and showing a dot on it showing this is the click in this is a tap and they both look the same to me
0:56:35and I didn't understand how you could tell a difference or what was going on there so someone asked. Apples.
0:56:41Apple to help us from N.D.A. I can even say can I only put like the red section right.
0:56:47Pretty sure you can because I'm pretty sure I just hit it with yeah I'm not logged in. So you're good to go.
0:56:53So I want to know the difference in a tab and click was in Apple's developer forms.
0:56:58Here all they will put in the show that someone asked the very same question
0:57:01and someone with a little apple logo underneath their name.
0:57:04Said that A quick as one user physically clicks down the track pad causing a selective ant
0:57:11and then I guess it happens just happening so what it sounds to me like is that. The touchpad at the end of the remote.
0:57:17Moves in some way. Like physically moves and makes a click.
0:57:22As opposed to just tapping on the top surface and I got none of us have this device yet.
0:57:26I'm a marker get that he probably can't talk about it.
0:57:28No to wall the wall find out of a fan of mine ships I'm ordering that day one basically I'm going to I'm going to
0:57:33accept whatever the equivalent of the crescent moon is for the Apple T.V.
0:57:37Hard by because it's cheap and whatever I don't care.
0:57:40But it seems like it's actually a physical but
0:57:41and I still don't quite understand a lot of work based on the pictures of the remote.
0:57:45What part of it moves how does it move down how far does it move is their hands does it just bend.
0:57:49I don't know all these questions will be answered when we get into our little hands
0:57:52but it was interesting to see actual response from an Apple person about this. Excellent.
0:57:59All right let's see what else we have to sort out we had talked about plaques...
0:58:04Do you want to tell us about twenty four P. On the Apple T.V.
0:58:07This is I think from the exact same apple person in the Apple form someone asked the question.
0:58:12Said Will the new Apple T.V. Actually output twenty four P. Video and. So twenty four P. Is a lot of movies.
0:58:19Old movies and new movies are shot twenty four frames per second twenty four P. Is a video mode where it stands.
0:58:26Twenty four pages for aggressively scanned.
0:58:29Frames of video just one frame nother grandmother frame another in twenty four of those every second.
0:58:34That's how the movie was shot. What you want to happen is if you. If you were viewing a movie at home.
0:58:40You want twenty four frames of video every second. To be displayed in television one frame.
0:58:46The next frame the next frame at exactly twenty four. If you don't do that. It's not going to look quite right.
0:58:52The most common situation is where your television or.
0:58:56The device that outputting something for example your computer is going at sixty hertz.
0:59:00So it's got sixty frames per second the computer you're looking at right now
0:59:03and I think all i OS devices except for maybe the new the new i Pad Pro which has the variable refresh rate but anyway.
0:59:10So it's there it's common for computers. Unfortunately twenty four is not going to sixty evenly.
0:59:14So if you're going to display a video content that originally has twenty four different frames every second.
0:59:20But you have to show. Sixty frames every second. You have to divide them up on evenly.
0:59:25And when the camera pans quickly.
0:59:27It can kind of look weird they call a job where you can kind of the kind of herky jerky because you have to figure out
0:59:32how to.
0:59:32You know you're going to show the first frame how many times are going to show the first frame
0:59:36and every time you can show a second from you're not showing some frames longer than other frames.
0:59:39And
0:59:40when you have a smooth camera move you can kind of see it as a jerking as in the motion so what you want is twenty four
0:59:44frames always here this is the whole video files are asking so in practice.
0:59:49And my set up anyway the only way I can see video like that is a viable I have Blue Ray my Blu ray player
0:59:53and my television all do twenty four frames.
0:59:56So the blue I put out twenty four frames a television shows twenty four frames and I don't have an L.C.D.
1:00:00I have a plasma at all straight through no image processing it looks correct it looks right..
1:00:05Don't have to worry about anything. Apple T.V.
1:00:09According to this answer from that Apple Verisign is does not do that no the device output frame rate is fixed
1:00:15and content is automatically converted during playback to match the selected device output frame rate.
1:00:19Abstinent have the ability to affect the device output frame right.
1:00:23And he says you have a scenario where you believe this would be required please file bug blah blah blah.
1:00:27This is focused on application development saying I'm making a video app
1:00:31and I want to show video can I control the frame
1:00:34or whatever the answer is no still unclear to me whether if you buy a movie on i Tunes.
1:00:40and the movie is twenty four frames a second. Does the Apple T.V. Is it also unable to send that natively over H.D.M.I.
1:00:48To a device.
1:00:49As able to supply twenty four pay some theories I've seen thrown around amongst people are disappointed in this is
1:00:57certain is that Apple doesn't want to incur the switching overhead of like switching modes
1:01:03and H D M I probably can be wanking take some time and blank your screen and stuff
1:01:06and you don't want to do that it's like a bad user experience.
1:01:09Like everything else involving intially am I so they're just going to lock it at like a computer like a tiny little
1:01:15computer like a tiny little mac mini lock at sixty frames inch up convert all video on the device.
1:01:21Presumably with nice scaling
1:01:22and trying to deal with all these different problems to hide judder an image processing anyway.
1:01:27Video files hit all that. So if you are a video file.
1:01:32Like me I guess you will probably want to continue buying the movies that you really care about..
1:01:38In a format other than videos that appear on Apple T.V.
1:01:43But if you are a video file there's hope for you because there's a good chance that something will come to the Apple.
1:01:49T.V. What would that the show that talk about on the show. Long time ago about calibrating your television.
1:01:55A long time ago. Yeah.
1:01:57I'm heavily in favor of calibrating a television it's not a super complicated can be super complicated
1:02:02but even just very basic calibration.
1:02:04Can be done pretty easily of the question of how how do I calibrate I don't know when you might.
1:02:08I just look at my television I can't tell what looks right. Well.
1:02:11They saw I was applications that can help you calibrate tellers was also blue red S.
1:02:16That help you carry break them used to be that every T.H.X. D.V.D. Came with the calibration thing maybe.
1:02:21You know a Tivo comes with the calibration thing built into the thing.
1:02:24Lots of different ways to do this but I was outside deal because hey it's an app and you can.
1:02:28You know write a fancy app and the. The whoever owns the.
1:02:32Yes does now however once the Ajax can make an app for it and stuff and behold there is a T.H.X. Apps rial S.
1:02:37and You can use it but you had to airplay to do it.
1:02:39And I always worried about that because what you really calibrating is how airplay video looks like well maybe I
1:02:45calibrated T.V.
1:02:45But then when I play things I'm Blu ray player through a different input is that calibration is still valid..
1:02:51But with Apple T.V. The Apple T.V. If that's where you're watching your video. The app can be right on the Apple T.V.
1:02:57You're not airplane was weird to MPEG four compressed stream or whatever it could be right on the Apple T.V.
1:03:03So I'm excited about the prospect of native happen T.V.
1:03:07Calton on the only money only person is holding excited about calibration apps for the athletes but.
1:03:12But it's perfectly. It is perfect for the Apple T.V. Because it's not.
1:03:15You know it doesn't help you with your blue ray player
1:03:17but it does make you sure that what you're calibrating is the exact thing that you're going to watch movies on
1:03:22but just you know. If you have a bunch of i Tunes movies on your Apple T.V.
1:03:26Out across the people who would be most into calibration are also now crushed that it doesn't the twenty four P.
1:03:31So I'm not sure if it's really the H.D.M.I. Switching issue I'm not sure Apple ever fix that because I've seen.
1:03:37You know when when your T.V. Screen goes blank or goes gray or does of little glitchy fuzz that it's terrible.
1:03:43I would never want the Apple T.V. To do that.
1:03:45Some actually kind of in favor of this cheap little hundred fifty dollars box never doing that
1:03:49and just you know putting out everything is who the fans are second.
1:03:52And what the audio files bother Blu ray players and we'll get along fine. Fair enough. What I was Games supports M.F.I.
1:04:02Controllers John.
1:04:04I know
1:04:04but we got a list don't put in the show notes I think so is saying that the list was only like sixteen games that seems
1:04:08a waste of all to me.
1:04:10You know I'm sure the huge number of games that support it because it's been around since I was seven.
1:04:15This was offered up as the potential base for games that could go to be able to give us not really true because these
1:04:23games. Probably also have like a touch. Control and.
1:04:27You know they're not going to have a touch equipment that's gets or next fall by them which is. If you have a game..
1:04:33That works with a controller and also works with touch controls can you just bring that right over top of T.V.
1:04:38Well the control apart you can bring right over.
1:04:41Because I don't think they've changed anything involving the controllers there.
1:04:43But the touch part obviously you can't bring over you say well that's fine.
1:04:46I will just bring over the game and say requires a controller to play and. Last week.
1:04:51I think I went to their website and look this up
1:04:53and I think in the show is like oh you know Apple says that you can have games that require controllers.
1:04:57So a bunch of people send us links in the great thing is a bunch of people tweeted to us.
1:05:01and such as an email with exactly the same U.R.L. Some people saying. Apple says that you can make Apple T.V.
1:05:08Ads that require a controller and other people saying. Apple says you cannot.
1:05:13And both point to the same exact euro Luckily someone on Twitter actually screenshot it. Right.
1:05:18Here's here's a screen shot and again you can fake screenshots and I'm pretty sure I read this Apple site.
1:05:22At one point this year all that we'll put in the show notes. Said pointing to a document it said.
1:05:28Had a heading it that you can require an extended game controller. Unlike i OS app Apple T.V.
1:05:32Ads can require the user to own a full game controller that supports extended gamepad profile.
1:05:37But requiring a full game withdrawal is highly discouraged when you restrict Bob All right.
1:05:41But bottom line if you can require an extended controller.
1:05:44But the current version of the page says exactly the opposite. Your game must support the Apple T.V.
1:05:49Remote Your game may not require the use of a controller. So going by like the you know.
1:05:54Last one wins rule Elachi probably click on the flank now to see might actually says.
1:05:59I'm pretty sure that despite the waffling in the first day or two after the Apple T.V. Was announced.
1:06:04Right now it says. Your game may not require the use of a controller.
1:06:08And that spawned a whole bunch of stories on tech websites about everyone going crazy about how Apple doesn't
1:06:13understand gaming and if you can't require a controller.
1:06:15You're not going to be able to play in certain my favorite genre game here and all that is true.
1:06:21I think this rule is in keeping with how Apple has dish and all of it does ice. Devices with respect to gaming.
1:06:28It seems kind of dumb to me.
1:06:30On the other hand like Does it wasn't the case that the next call duty was going to come for Apple T.V.
1:06:37If only Apple changes one rule. Nope. It was never coming.
1:06:40I was not is not going to say about the thing that's giving it's kind of silly. If Apple. It shut it does.
1:06:47We'll have this shows Apple doesn't understand games
1:06:49or isn't serious about games what it shows is how Apple views games for its platform. It wants.
1:06:54Games to be on its platform so it's a certain kind of games. The kind of games it wants.
1:06:58It wants you to be able to play without having to buy a controller.
1:07:00That's the product Apple is making I don't I don't think it shows a lack of understanding because I don't think anyone
1:07:08Apple under any illusions that they are going to you know.
1:07:12Have the same type of games that console's have and appeal to the same people who buy console games and love them.
1:07:18I think they're making a decision not to do that and so this is in keeping with that
1:07:22but it drives people who love console games crazy because they feel like oh you're so close if only you got serious
1:07:26about games and get serious get serious they mean.
1:07:29Made games that appeals to the millions of people who buy a Playstation four next like Swan And even the way you design
1:07:34extent. That's not what Apple doing. Apple is not serious about getting one of the.
1:07:39One of the ideas I have in my ideas file for hypercritical echo that I never up that.
1:07:46I think some of the first ideas I put in there I think I mentioned before is like Apple and games.
1:07:50It's Just Not That Into You like Apple Apple doesn't feel the same way about games.
1:07:57That those of us who have a game console is and have played mac and P.C. Games. Feel about games like they're.
1:08:03They have a different attitude towards games
1:08:05and their attitude is more common in the world of people who are going to buy their products than our attitude is.
1:08:11And that is disappointing to a lot of people. Well that is just the case. So this rule.
1:08:15Assuming it hasn't swapped back by now is in keeping with that.
1:08:20I think it will cut down on the sophistication
1:08:22and interest of the type of games are going to get it might also cut down on shovelware.
1:08:26And maybe that's why they're doing it if they really interest.
1:08:28And just see this phenomenon of Apple having public documents that are not even behind a developer account password.
1:08:34That one day say one thing in the next they say the entire opposite about a fairly significant future having to do with
1:08:39gaming. On their newly launched product it's a little out of character for them to go back and forth like that. Is it.
1:08:47Well. In public when like. I mean when you think every going to carbon sixty four. A resolution independence.
1:08:55I'm thinking more like the various after you controversies that usually crop up after a new ability is added to the.
1:09:02S.T.K. So you know they they might decide. You know like like similar to how they how. What I was eight.
1:09:10There was big Rafah full About what.
1:09:12Notification Center widgets couldn't couldn't do or included in the keyboards couldn't couldn't include and.
1:09:18Could you include a button notification center and all this crazy stuff.
1:09:21Well it's like rules lawyering though because they will some will get rejected
1:09:24and they'll say Well according to the rules
1:09:26and seem like a sort of rejected then they amend the rules to make their decision right
1:09:29but then people complain every verse that launched under pro
1:09:31or like you couldn't launch an app from that of occasions screen. They change that to like two years later.
1:09:35This is just like a black and white before anyone even started development day one once
1:09:41and it wasn't even like it was in response to outcry It's almost like they just forgot to update the public facing docs
1:09:46you know because no one even had probably call something literally day one
1:09:50and day two so that seems strange to me that they are just not have their act together with I don't think any Has
1:09:55anything happened between day one day to the made them reverse this policy there was no outcry from developers
1:10:01or whatever says they they kind of like forgot to update the site.
1:10:05Or maybe like the final decision maker made a decision one day late
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1:13:14All right John tell me about the Apple T.V.
1:13:16and Web Kit for that it's fun to point out the neo con in the chat room reminds me of the P S three.
1:13:21Does actual twenty four be out by the way the P S three is my blue ray player
1:13:25when I was saying that's what I watched over yes it's on the P.S. Traits pretty good Blu ray player.
1:13:29All that kind of noisy. But anyway.
1:13:32It is possible it's not like it's impossible for a computer like device to do this
1:13:35but I'm pretty sure that the S three when you launch Blu Ray Blank the screen and switches H.D.M.I.
1:13:39Modes and does all the stuff that I said the Apple T.V. Probably shouldn't.
1:13:42So what may be appropriate for a Blu ray player.
1:13:45Even if the Blu ray player is essentially a mini computer like the P S three.
1:13:48Is maybe not appropriate for hundred fifty dollar. Fanless black puck.
1:13:54I don't think I'll shouldn't part of support it if they can figure out a way to do it.
1:13:57That's fine I just understand I kind of understand why it might not support of the same thing with four K..
1:14:01By that we didn't discuss this but maybe briefly mentioned last time. The new Apple T.V. If not for K.
1:14:08Everyone who asked me.
1:14:09You know that you've asked me of this you got television
1:14:11or what do they want to know what television to get not tell
1:14:13and get no television because now's not a good bye because we're after the plasma times over for LEDs of come into
1:14:22their own..
1:14:23Mostly all as I keep seeing a curve to I really hope that goes away I really hope that goes away like three D.
1:14:27Kind of went away. Because I did not want to curry T.V. Anyway. As a bad time to buy it because four K.
1:14:35Is on the horizon you can buy a fork a T.V. Now but it would be kind of like buying one of the very early plasmas.
1:14:41Unless you're really lucky and got one of the top and the curly things. Probably not the best time to buy a four K..
1:14:49Television Apple doesn't support it but a lot of people is like why doesn't the new Apple T.V. Support for four K.
1:14:54It's got enough grunt to support in theory. I don't know if the D.M. I suspect that it conforms to supports for K..
1:15:02To the degree is needed but I kind of agree that it seems like what the night in that right. Maybe handle four K.
1:15:09Maybe I don't know. Anyway.
1:15:12Bottom line it doesn't doesn't have this product is defined I wouldn't count on this product being updated in any way
1:15:17to support for came a future even if the hardware Secondly capable of it because that's just not the kind of the thing
1:15:22that Bill does. When they made you buy a whole new product when they went from seven twenty P. To ten A.T.P..
1:15:26That tells you anything so don't buy an Apple T.V. If you're expecting it to magically have four K. Support.
1:15:31Just resign yourself to spending under one hundred fifty bucks in a couple years when four K. Finally matures.
1:15:38Right to tell us about what kit.
1:15:40This is a big kerfuffle started I think those started by a Daniel Pascoe his from black box all right he wrote a thing
1:15:48called a world of the Apple T.V.
1:15:50A world without web use limiting
1:15:52or maybe just reporting the fact that you're not allowed to bring up web you in your Apple T.V.
1:15:56Application and ever is upset about that. It's I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. I mean.
1:16:05One question is like which I think we don't really know the answer yet.
1:16:09Is how many of the apps that we have on our phone are going to be necessary to have in our T.V.'s.
1:16:15How many were actually going to want to happen on T.V.'s. I think going to be a smaller and slightly different group.
1:16:21So a lot of the option your phone are just like for things that could have been Web sites.
1:16:25You know like your bank Apple like some of the stuff I just could have been a Web site.
1:16:29And so they obviously web user use very heavily in a lot of those things
1:16:32and so you know it's it's fine if a lot of those can't work now.
1:16:37That being said there are a lot of a lot of apps that use web views in smaller ways like.
1:16:44Like I use web use an overcast forwards.
1:16:46The rendering of the show notes on the playback screen the scroll view on the playback screen that includes the artwork
1:16:51in the shadows below it. That is a web you. It is a giant web view. Because that way I can render H.T.M.L.
1:16:57In the notes and it works just fine. It's great. So like you know something that.
1:17:02That makes sense things like reading apps. You know Instapaper. Instapaper is a big web you as well.
1:17:09I don't think people are going to be reading on their T.V.'s very often who knows I mean sure somebody might want to
1:17:14try but that's not going to be a very common request I don't think so again. That's fine too.
1:17:18I think it's going to be annoying for some people but not nearly as big of a problem.
1:17:25As a most people expect now the other thing is. What about just web browsing. On the T.V.
1:17:30Obviously liking or not just using a web view in an app. But actually just browsing to arbitrary pages.
1:17:35Obviously if you think about something like a Twitter client. On the Apple T.V. or A news reader.
1:17:41Then those are going to be challenging to make compelling because again. We're going to do a tap.
1:17:48Like Twitter's full of links. So if you if you are browsing the Twitter why on the T.V.
1:17:53and You can't have any links to can be kind of annoying. But again it's like are people really going to be browsing.
1:17:59Arbitrary web pages on T. He's.
1:18:01Because one thing that people don't often talk about
1:18:03but becomes obvious if you've ever tried to do this like putting a computer into your T.V.
1:18:07or Anything that T.V.'s actually look terrible.
1:18:11When you try to view like text and Web ads like T.V.'s are much lower resolution than you think.
1:18:19Weird contrast in color issue with limitations. They really are not good screens to be reading text on.
1:18:26So I don't think this is that big of a problem really. Well. The screen quality if you have. If you have a good T.V.
1:18:32And you know the right distance from it is not that bad it's not as bad as used to be in the old C.R.T.
1:18:36Standard def days and if you have a for good T.V. And I believe it is the parted.
1:18:40Now then I thank you those those problems would be gone all it's kind of disappointing to me that they don't support it
1:18:46mostly because every smartish thing. That is not a computer. That is connected to a television in the past.
1:18:53You know of several years. Has a web browser Bilton.
1:18:56I think you know I Play Station four does my way you does I think my way you does like everything.
1:19:02I don't know if my my Tivo does but like everything feels compelled to have a browser. If it hooks up to a T.V.
1:19:08As an internet connection because hey why not why I mean the three D.S.
1:19:11Has a web browser kernel out and every single one of those browsers is the worst browser. Ever like.
1:19:17There are terrible to use you launch it once
1:19:20and you realize like maybe it uses like an old version of the Opera engine and can't render anything as really slow
1:19:25and have these weird controls about scrolling the page and moving the cursor and all is just terrible.
1:19:31And so you just never launch it again you know
1:19:33and a reason I'm going to pointed in the main reason disappointed is that if an I O.
1:19:38Us powered device within a it and it.
1:19:41Powered by Web Kit was hooked up with my television and they put it whether you want it
1:19:45and I had like a Touch Control no remote to scroll around.
1:19:47It would actually be like nice and responsive and fast and look good and render correctly and that would be a miracle.
1:19:54Because I've never seen that on my television. That said. I really have no urge to brush my pages on my television.
1:20:01And I think that's kind of. It's.
1:20:04I guess it's a red herring because I get to like what the motivation of this might be but Margot
1:20:09when you're talking about like the show notes.
1:20:11That's coming from the web and of course Instapaper content is coming from the web. But I think there are a lot of.
1:20:18Perhaps a surprising number of I.R.S. Applications that use a web view.
1:20:24To render content that does not come from the web.
1:20:26Maybe it's just in the application bundle Maybe it's like they want to just build a string on the fly maybe someone who
1:20:32is like a web developer and as Mark Austin doing that maybe it is sort of from their own private web server
1:20:36and parts of the U.I.
1:20:37or Web use like you're not giving them arbitrary web browsing you're not even perhaps giving them links you're just
1:20:42using it as a more flexible or maybe just the way that people are more comfortable with way to layout.
1:20:48Text and images in your you I would just. Probably not the appropriate thing to do.
1:20:53But because Web Kit is so fast and because it's fairly efficient and if you have simple needs.
1:20:57It is a pretty easy way to do you know to sneak a little bit of web development into your Iowa South.
1:21:03And the fact of that's not possible.
1:21:06I think is something that Apple may have to end up backsliding on because it's all just like oh why is it.
1:21:13Why is this happening.
1:21:14Is it happening because they didn't couldn't get web kid ready in time gravity that seems unlikely because all the T.V.
1:21:19M.L. Stuff surely uses web get or at least javascript course something like that in there.
1:21:23And it's just an A And it's just that I was very and getting web get to work is not rocket science I can work.
1:21:29Is it because they don't want anyone to ever make a web browser out for the Apple T.V.
1:21:35Can they do that with app or view.
1:21:36Like slap you down to try to make something like a web browser
1:21:40or the final reason the most popular one seems to be they don't want you using web technologies to make a you why they
1:21:45want you to make a native application.
1:21:48That may be the case maybe that's getting back to what I talk about the last show about the AMC in the USA apps one of
1:21:52which was terrible and one of which was only merely. So subtle. And I can remember which was which.
1:21:58But a lot of those seem like big giant web use of H.T.M.L. Five video players.
1:22:02Is that why their creditors a credit because the servers
1:22:04when responders are credit because they have buggy javascript attacking whether seen a commercial I don't know where
1:22:08the blame lies. But it's conceivable that that app was credited because it was done with the Web you why.
1:22:14It was like a repackaging of their website inside and I was container and it was you know their website was crappy
1:22:19and so was there I sat. As usual Apple is silent in this area.
1:22:24I haven't heard anything whispers from anybody about is this something they're going to amend.
1:22:29Is it just we weren't quite ready in time
1:22:30or is it an intentional thing where they're trying to send a message with a lack of Web Kit support to tell you you're.
1:22:37not allowed to use Web technologies anywhere on Apple T.V.
1:22:40I would love to know what the answer as but right now I don't tell us about your early musings on the i Pad Pro..
1:22:47Well actually before we do that any other thoughtfully Apple T.V. I'm honestly I'm kind of looking forward to it.
1:22:53I mean.
1:22:53I so one of the topics I don't know how much am I going to this now because I haven't thought too much about it yet
1:22:58but one of the topics that we kept hearing about that I kept hearing about.
1:23:03Is how could how could we engender all and usually me specifically.
1:23:09How can I be so pessimistic about all the stuff Apple announced. And first of all I don't think I was I don't think.
1:23:16I don't think I've been recently pessimistic and I do think there's a lot of of warranted pessimism
1:23:21or skepticism that I that I expressed about the very stuff.
1:23:25However there are two things that I am more excited about this week when I was last week. Number one is three D.
1:23:32Touch because after watching more the videos and after you know maybe seeing some people using it. I does look.
1:23:40I have not used it I have not felt it
1:23:42or touched it myself however it does look like it's going to be really really nice as a shortcut mechanism to do a lot
1:23:50of quick things. I don't you know.
1:23:53My concerns about it discoverability everything remain however I do things for power users like us.
1:24:01I think it'll be really nice to have.
1:24:04So we'll see you know we'll see how much it matters for regular people I think it's going to matter.
1:24:07About as much as things like multitasking gestures..
1:24:10For regular people but we'll see the other thing I'm I am more excited about the last because the Apple T.V.
1:24:16I do however you know. I said last week my. My main concern with the Apple T.V. Is not whether I would like it.
1:24:22It's whether people will buy it because it's a hundred fifty dollars box entering a market a very very cheap things.
1:24:28that people think are good enough and. And they're still going to keep selling the old Apple T.V.
1:24:33So it's going to have to compete with that which is half the price.
1:24:37And I and I think it's going to be a tough sell for a while until the app story develops if it does. That being said.
1:24:43I'm looking forward to it because first of all it will allow me to consolidate our universe
1:24:48or month situation here which will be nice but also. I'm looking forward to it because I mean I like apps and.
1:24:56I think it'll be kind of interesting kind of fun to play around with. So I am looking forward to both of those things.
1:25:03Whether the whole rest of the world is. We'll see what happens there. But I'm looking forward to.
1:25:09Yeah I don't think like Apple T.V.
1:25:10It was the one thing I said I'm definitely buying
1:25:12and I was do you think about it while I was of course I'm also in the US about the i Pad Pro so I don't think you know.
1:25:19It's. Maybe it's the hypercritical influence but thus far. Our. Most of us.
1:25:26Mostly on the show we've found it more interesting to talk about the potential problems of products
1:25:31and think about what to go wrong event to just spend the entire time gushing rather things that we like
1:25:35but there were things that we like and you know if we end the show
1:25:37and a bunch of us say that we're definitely getting Apple T.V. That's probably you know like OK.
1:25:42But anyway who hairs of we're getting was like we talked about the products. The Good The Bad and The Ugly.
1:25:48I do agree that market lately has been in the downswing in terms of being cranky about things that happen all is
1:25:55falling down about
1:25:55but it's not like it's just an articulate Great Britain thousands of words about it like it's not it's not a vague
1:26:00notion that he just kind of has.
1:26:02And just you know it's got an ax to grind you've got specific concerns that he's expressed in various ways
1:26:07and so I think that's you know. That's just his opinion man. Well and I think also like.
1:26:12There's a lot that I've been positive about now.
1:26:14You know the idea that I have to be like equally positive
1:26:17and negative is of course totally wrong in the balance Margot.
1:26:20Yeah right now you know that's a little bit look at that of the way the you know that. That is that is total B.S.
1:26:24However there's a lot of Apple stuff
1:26:27and Apple products that have launched in the last couple years that I really enjoy that I use constantly.
1:26:34I've been very vocal about how much I really enjoy the Apple Watch.
1:26:38Even though I think the apps that you a heinous terrible which it is.
1:26:41I think the rest their product is great and I keep saying that nobody hears it but I keep saying it.
1:26:46I also really enjoy the rediscovery of M.D.S. Responder.
1:26:52And the victim of discovery different marketing system because as I've written about and seven Assad cast.
1:26:59The reliability of the things I do with my home network. On on an almost ten has skyrocketed.
1:27:06The reliability of my Apple T.V.
1:27:08and The things I do on there and airplay and and things like that those have all skyrocketed.
1:27:13After I'm going to respond or came back. This government is the new Coke.
1:27:17Because like nobody there was maybe you came into the night too late but there was no love for and D.M.'s responder.
1:27:23In the many years. There was always a source of problems there was that it killed people have problems with the river.
1:27:29The only reason it gets a lot is going to brought new Coke and overhyped New Coke
1:27:33and they brought back into the US as well as in the US respond to a classic everybody loves it right. Anyway.
1:27:38So yeah it. That like my world has been changed at home.
1:27:42Like the last year with a seventy was really rough until that changes made a few months ago.
1:27:47And as I wrote about on my site when it happened.
1:27:50That has made a massive difference for me in the reliability of the stuff.
1:27:54However there are still tons of things that need work.
1:27:58For instance I launch an app today or say we might get two and it was delayed by an App Store bug.
1:28:05For five and a half hours after it was approved for sale. Because just the C.D.N. Just didn't work.
1:28:11And that's happened a lot of developers today during the release of us nine. It Happen to tons of people.
1:28:17You know there's. There are still issues with the services.
1:28:20There are still issues with some of the applications there are still issues with some of the hardware.
1:28:25There still delays of like things like Skylab with Granted it's not oppose fault but it still affects Apple's products.
1:28:31There's been significant stagnation in the laptop lineup recently because we're so late with the C.P.U.
1:28:37So you know like there's there's stuff that. That is not perfect and there is stuff like the i Phone six battery.
1:28:43That I think is you know. Not not the decision I would have made.
1:28:46And not the decision that fits me
1:28:48when I say things like that the product line is getting it is getting more narrowly focused products and that.
1:28:55The question of who is this for the answer to that keeps getting narrower for the lot of these newer products.
1:29:01I don't think that's unfair or to Sara Lee negative.
1:29:05But that is certainly an observation the product line but again it's like.
1:29:08I still use the I am Act which is a general purpose large desktop.
1:29:12And the fifteen inch map approach is the most general purpose laptop and they have like for you know.
1:29:16Get a laptop that will serve and to use to serve. That's the one OK.
1:29:20You know I'm talking to you on this through an act through live stream through.
1:29:25There Mack with a roomful of Apple gear I mean it's like you know I still like a lot of Apple stuff however I don't
1:29:32think it's unfair or unwarranted.
1:29:36To point out the areas than which they're kind of missing the mark for me or for everybody.
1:29:40And as they keep serving more and more and more areas.
1:29:44Because what they what they have today with the product line is way more broad in just like number sheer number of
1:29:51products and services and apps that they have right now is so much more broad than it used to be.
1:29:56And the fact is they're not doing all of them well.
1:29:59At the end you know Apple Apple has never been able to juggle too many things at once particularly well.
1:30:04And the number of things they can juggle at once. Well over time has gone up.
1:30:09But so has the number of things they try to juggle. And so there. They really you know.
1:30:16This still there still always areas that can use improvement. And we on the outside.
1:30:21People like us who don't work for them and they're like because people who work for them.
1:30:26Can't really say anything because they can get in trouble.
1:30:30But people like us on the outside who don't work for them and say whatever we want.
1:30:35Can effect positive change within Apple and within its products.
1:30:40By ranting about them when that's when it's warranted by giving them. Real constructive. Valid criticism.
1:30:47When it's warranted. That actually effect positive change.
1:30:51Every time I complain about something about Apple that that is like a fair complaint I hear from people on the inside
1:30:57of the company. Either right then or near that either right then or soon after I hear from people that.
1:31:05Whatever I said or wrote was circulated in some group. And that that like helped that team. Argue for their point.
1:31:12Or make a change or whatever. And I hear this from everyone I know who writes about Apple or talk about Apple.
1:31:17The people inside listen. Our complaints are ammunition for internal fights. And that complaining works in a way that.
1:31:25Following book after book might not for me complaining works. And again.
1:31:31You know there's no reason to stop complaining just out of.
1:31:34You know trying to be nice if things really are broken or could use improvement.
1:31:40If the thing that struck me about the feedback we got
1:31:42and we did get several people writing in saying oh my God Your bunch of curmudgeons.
1:31:46You know maybe there's some truth to that but I don't know.
1:31:49I don't think it does anyone any good for us to just be parrots that are saying oh this is the best apples the best
1:31:54apples flawless nothing up with dozens wrong.
1:31:57I mean that would not be a particularly enjoyable show for us to make
1:32:01or for most people to listen to so I feel like I speak for all of us and saying genuinely I mean if if we came across.
1:32:08Grumpy last episode that wasn't our intention but you know we're going to call it like we see it
1:32:14and if we see things as being broken then. Dammit we're going to say that it's broken and that's just how we feel.
1:32:21And you know if it doesn't work for. If it doesn't work for you then I'm sorry but you know T.J.
1:32:28Lomas saying in the chat it was a three hour negative a thon. Maybe we listened.
1:32:32Maybe what I said did not feel it was like three hour. Complaining festival.
1:32:38I didn't get a chance to listen back to the episode but man. It certainly didn't feel that way.
1:32:44When when I was recording it and I'm pretty sure that you guys didn't think it went that way either
1:32:49and if it came across that way then you know we're sorry but this is how we feel and.
1:32:52You know if you're looking for someone to just parrot about how amazing Apple is you're going to have to look elsewhere.
1:32:59Pointed ladies and gentleman to criticism for lack of a better word is good. Criticism is right. Criticism works.
1:33:05Criticism clarifies cuts through captures the essence of the evolutionary spared. The reference. Yes it is.
1:33:12I could tell it and that was your quote voice but I couldn't figure out where it's from that was my core voice
1:33:17and I was I was there's a double quote voice because I was quoting a thing in which I was quoting a thing. Oh God.
1:33:23Well put it in the show notes. Speaking of quoting yourself. Want to tell us about what you said about the i Pad Pro.
1:33:30Yeah speaking of going myself I was just curious about this because we talk about the i Pad prolapse week. And I are.
1:33:36This is that you know. I want i Pad Pro for a long time.
1:33:39And I like how long when that I first start talking about the i Pad Pro.
1:33:43I thought it was on a podcast
1:33:44and so I am Plus I deployed the underscore David Smith who has magical abilities to find out what people said things in
1:33:51the past which we should all be frightened of. Because I don't know where he gets these powers.
1:33:56But if you've lost your car keys. Contact underscored it's met people tell you where they are very convenient service.
1:34:02As long as you've spoken about it on a podcast. Right.
1:34:05Well we don't know we don't know but it's not just you know you're speculating with limits to his power. Anyway.
1:34:11I search my own podcast for like a good.
1:34:14Ninety seconds before I'm going to the slight channel and I asked if the look it up for me I feel kind of anyway
1:34:20but I did search for and I couldn't find it he found it immediately. It was a hyper critical episode fifty eight.
1:34:26And March of two thousand and twelve thirty one minutes.
1:34:28In you'll hear my first musings about my first public musings about you know what out bush knew they'd make a bigger i
1:34:34Pad and called the i Pad problem blah blah blah so if you're interested in that.
1:34:38Or just want to hear a really old hypercritical Rice sound really weird talk about things in the past.
1:34:43I'll put that link in the show it's to. OK speaking of the i Pad Pro. Dr wave.
1:34:49Michael Johnson from Pixar tweeted at some point or another. I believe was a tweet.
1:34:54He said My understanding is that the i Pad Pro recognizes the stylus data from the Apple pencil.
1:35:00Flowing in at two hundred forty her fingers at one hundred twenty hertz.
1:35:06And the air to you in general will do one hundred twenty hertz and all of their i Pads
1:35:11and i was devices do sixty hertz. My understanding is that his understanding is accurate that the i Pad pros to forty.
1:35:19For the apple pencil. One twenty for everything else and all in the air to was one twenty Everything else is sixty.
1:35:25Yeah.
1:35:25And that I make mine with a variable refresh rate is really interesting you know the technical lengths that Apple has
1:35:32to go
1:35:32or is willing to go are both to do a good job with like I want you just add a stylus of the i Pad Well it's not as simple
1:35:38as you know. Yes it is that I can figure out how you knew price sensitivity. And also you know.
1:35:44Sixty sixty hertz again very common for computer re things any kind of computer a thing whether it's I come to a T.V.
1:35:49Hooked up to a monitor it's been a standard for many years and everything C.R.T.'s one or I sixty hertz.
1:35:56But that's not good enough for for it to feel nice
1:35:59when you're driving on it I'm not sure why the air too is one twenty maybe they just cranked it up because they could
1:36:07there I don't know exactly where the bandit is but.
1:36:08But to forty four the thing of a support the pencil makes perfect sense and. And again.
1:36:15During the videos that they show people drawing on the thing I can see the lack like the like.
1:36:20Once you know what to look for. You know the leg is there. But if you've ever.
1:36:25You know used a way calmer Wakeham tablet depending on how you pronounce it
1:36:28or you know sin take which is that there thing where they were you drawn a screen that they provide to you.
1:36:33There's plenty of lag there to link for them think time that video from the Microsoft Research thing that shows.
1:36:40They had like an experimentalist by the shows different amounts of lag reading just turn the dial and crank it up and.
1:36:45Around and boy at the difference between current technology.
1:36:49And the best thing that we can do right now with unlimited money is dramatic and as soon as you see the good
1:36:56when you're like oh well. I want that. Well tough luck.
1:37:00You can't have that but what you know will get there eventually
1:37:03and I will get there is by every new iteration of these type of things you can scroll bomb of the pen.
1:37:08Make a better make it faster so what I'm interested in I haven't seen I think I have a link
1:37:12and that we can put in the show it's from a somebody who wrote a blog post comparing the apple pencil to the top of the
1:37:18line. Tablet that artists use now.
1:37:22And had nice things to say about the Apple tablet
1:37:24but I guess we have to wait until these things are in people's hands and feel like hands on tests or whatever.
1:37:29But I do know that every every tablet I've ever seen anyone use to draw with or have drawn with myself.
1:37:35Has had lag that I can see Apple's thing also has legs that I can say.
1:37:40I can't I bought I can't say which is worse or which is better. One one point that was made his initial It's so much.
1:37:46I thought we had a link to name one point that was made in this article about the comparing of the sim take to the i
1:37:53Pad Pro. Was that the sim take that makes it seem like where are the images and where your stylus touches the screen.
1:38:03Are distant from each other like there's an air gap or like a. You know sort of like a a large gap so that.
1:38:08Depending on what angle you're holding at the parallax makes it seem like the ink
1:38:11or whatever is not coming out of the tip of your pen it's coming out of some point removed from the tip of your pen.
1:38:17And the i Pad. That seems less.
1:38:21Because that the whole thing is thinner and the glasses then are in this laminated have a glass
1:38:24and all the other stuff.
1:38:26And that makes sense to me tech wise because Apple is surely better able to manufacture the fanciest screen with the
1:38:33smallest gap and no air gap and great lamination everything. Where a company that makes tablets for artists.
1:38:41Necessarily has much smaller volumes and not have NOT doesn't have billions of dollars in the bank
1:38:46and all the stuff so there is the potential for the i Pad Pro to be a really good tool for artist that is potentially
1:38:53as good as or better than all existing dedicated tools.
1:38:56A But I think we have to wait and see for the people actually buy this and use it to do real work
1:39:00and they were poured back. Yeah I mean this is another by the way.
1:39:04One of the one of those things I was very positive about was the i Pad Pro for pen input. The pencil itself.
1:39:10And the general notion of writing things on a screen with a pen. I like all those things.
1:39:16They just aren't things that I need to do.
1:39:20But I'm very positive on all of those things for people who use pens or who like to write or let's take notes
1:39:27or who had to draw that all sounds awesome for those people. However I'm a computer geek. In the you know.
1:39:34Old school sense of computer geek them.
1:39:36Where I mostly just need a keyboard mouse and a big screen the big powerful computer so it's not really for me.
1:39:41However. You know. Good on them for people who actually want to use it.
1:39:45You know if if this ever does I'll go always down to an iphone six size device.
1:39:49You would get a little stylus
1:39:50and scratch things out on it if only because some of them make like some of the bring out draw something again
1:39:55and people would forget that it previously existed like wow try this great new game to draw pictures to gel
1:39:59or it's really fun. Sure. Yeah I mean look at it this. This was available even for.
1:40:04You know even as soon as it comes to and I've had sizes. That I want to own. I'll probably buy one.
1:40:11I'll probably buy whatever. You know if like. If next years i Pad Air. Supports the pencil.
1:40:17Then I'll probably get one of those I just
1:40:19or you know if there's some really compelling reason for me to get the i Pad Pro.
1:40:24I will get it like I talked before like I love to make a podcast editor and.
1:40:29You know if I'm going to do that make you know. On the i Pad Pro is certainly worth investigating.
1:40:34However I'm not doing that right now I'm I'm doing other things
1:40:37and I don't plan to that it to that any time soon I'm you know by the time I would get the probably next year I get to
1:40:42get the second one.
1:40:43I'll also I'm worried with the current one that you know we have into this in last week's show that forced touch on the
1:40:51i Phone is going to be so interesting and so compelling as a shortcut mechanism that.
1:40:56It's going to be weird getting use that on the phone in the not having it yet on the i Pads.
1:41:01So I would rather wait if I'm going to spend over a thousand dollars on a brand new really high
1:41:06and i Pad that I don't really need right now.
1:41:09I would rather wait until next year to see if maybe that's forced auction. But we'll see. I think you mean three D.
1:41:15Touch but my story. Yeah you're right. Even Federer you screwed it up one. Yeah that's true. All right.
1:41:22Do you think anyone's going to make any money on apps on the i Pad Pro because the friend of the show that we just
1:41:28mentioned underscore David Smith. Tweeted a link to a company.
1:41:33I don't recall their name but the people who make Scotch which apparently is a very popular app.
1:41:38They are basically saying no freakin way we're going to touch the i Pad Pro cause we can't make any money on it that
1:41:44posts.
1:41:45Kind of struck me the wrong way because we all know there are problems with the App Store
1:41:49and there are problems with the companies that have difficulty finding a way to make money
1:41:53and the price pressure like we talk lacings a million times. But I think one of the least convincing.
1:42:00At least the missing because Apple sketching out Photoshop I guess I want to leave committing as you can do is say this
1:42:04entirely new thing. Like an Apple tablet with with a pencil which is not existed before. We are writing off.
1:42:11Because we assume it will be exactly like all of the other markets and they're probably right.
1:42:15Like I'm not saying the wrong
1:42:16or anything like that it's just there are many reasons why it makes sense for them not to make the app.
1:42:22Maybe they don't have you know they have not developers not i OS developers you know they can sell knockouts are more
1:42:27like all the things we've talked about over there are but the idea that it is inconceivable.
1:42:32And they get there just entirely sure I guess they just days there are the things that we can't risk.
1:42:35We think that there's not a market for a sustainable market for us for. I Pad problem.
1:42:40And then we think that because we've judge there not to be a sustainable market for these applications on the previous
1:42:45i Pad on the phones on volleyball so and so forth but it reads kind of like you know.
1:42:51We understand the chicken egg situation you go first and you go first with a hard when we say yeah.
1:42:57I don't think so like someone is going to go for a someone's going to try to make a go of it here maybe the they're the
1:43:01suckers and they're going to all go out of business and find out they can't make money on a platform
1:43:05but it's not particularly convincing to me for one company to say because there are bunch of good reasons for us not to
1:43:13make. So the i Pad Pro.
1:43:15It is a condemnation of the entire concept of there being a supportable pro application space I think.
1:43:20If the i Pad Pro has the best chance maybe Apple T.V. So tied with that. The best chance to break through.
1:43:27The thing that has caused the i OS pricing my
1:43:30and business model to get pulled down so much because you can sell all the still think they're one.
1:43:36You can sell more expensive things to professionals are that's where your was looking for its life if someone needs a
1:43:41mac out to do their job
1:43:42and they make a lot of money at their job they will give you one hundred dollars for the zap of the use of their job.
1:43:47They will just do it even just for musicians to sell music applications even a few people don't make money doing as
1:43:52they love music.
1:43:54They'll give you fifty bucks for a thing that lets them do something with their band
1:43:57and you know like that will definitely happen. Much less so than trying to sell somebody like a little gamer.
1:44:04You know something more trivial or general interest right so perhaps you go to the second thing.
1:44:10This is there have had for a while. I think it's still kind of true.
1:44:15The bigger the screen the more money you can charge because bigger equals more money.
1:44:19I know that makes no sense logically. But in my experience I've seen.
1:44:24It seems to me that people can be more convinced to see maybe it's just a quince
1:44:30and maybe it's not actually causation It's just like it so just so happens the computers have bigger screens
1:44:35and people use computers the jobs involved a lot but like getting out as I'm thinking. Can you sell an Apple T.V.
1:44:41Yet for more money because it's bigger setting aside. Things like video content where that's just you know you're not.
1:44:48It's not the screen as big as that you're buying video I can buy access to H.B.O.
1:44:52I'm buying access to Major League Baseball right ever. Setting that aside.
1:44:56Can you charge more money because the screen is bigger
1:44:59or is it because apps that run on a bigger screen can have more features
1:45:02and people are going to pay for those features I don't know what the connection is but anyway.
1:45:06I am not ready to retire early right all. Both the i Pad Pro in the Apple T.V. As.
1:45:12Platforms where it is just as difficult to sell application. For more than a couple bucks. As it is on i OS. Well.
1:45:21The big thing is going to be volume. It's. Will the i Pad Pro sell enough volume that.
1:45:29It'll be worth developing high quality as for it. Because if there is if it doesn't achieve. Really high volumes.
1:45:36And you know. High volumes for an i Pad are still very low volumes for an i Phone But let's let's just say like.
1:45:42You know if it doesn't sell a lot. If. If a lot of these things don't sell by i Pad standards.
1:45:48It's going to be very hard for most companies justify developing for it just on that basis alone.
1:45:53Before you even get to price.
1:45:54I'm doing volume works against the because the high volumes as part of the reasons why there's such downward price
1:45:58pressure because if you sell to almost everybody.
1:46:01Most people don't want to pay for software period but if you're selling a pro app. You don't need. Like you know.
1:46:07There are very few pros how many people who are going to buy a fifty dollar music app are there out there like it for
1:46:13for drawing obligations and i Pad Pro It's still chicken egg someone has to make this offer someone has to go first.
1:46:17Apple has made the hardware and their hopes on makes the software
1:46:20but there's how many professional artists are there in the world.
1:46:24How many people who use a stylus to do their daily work.
1:46:27Drawing and designing things are there in the world not a lot like. I think volume.
1:46:33That's a you know not the you can't sell like ten thousand on the you can't I think you probably even more than
1:46:37Microsoft Surface numbers
1:46:38but you don't need i have i Phones that number so I don't know what the middle is they're like.
1:46:43If it just sells and merely normal i Pad volumes is that too few. But if it sells in merely normal i Pad volumes.
1:46:50Couldn't they sell. You know one to every design of the entire world and still have tons left over. It's a.
1:46:58It's conceivable I think that it could sell. I mean just look at the mac.
1:47:01The MAC sells invention the small volumes compared to the i Phone.
1:47:04And yet it has it is a sustainable platform for some companies to sell.
1:47:09Programs that people use to do their jobs on their Macs
1:47:12and they pay astronomical amounts of money for them by the standards of Iowa South occasions like twenty whole dollars
1:47:19for an application it's unheard of. Well that's true however. Max also have the advantage of an installed base already.
1:47:27Where they don't sell as many units as before. However if you.
1:47:33If you want to really you know let's suppose Apple made a new mac. And you know with some interesting.
1:47:38You know new screen. Shape or something. You know. And you made an app that worked well in that.
1:47:44Well there's also the millions
1:47:46and millions of other Macs that already exist in the world that can probably also run that app.
1:47:50So the sales volumes of self are a little bit of a of a bad example here.
1:47:56Also I would argue that there's a lot more people who quote get their work done on a mac than i Pad in these kind of
1:48:05like content creation or professional kind of fields. That's. I don't know that offhand.
1:48:09However that sounds very likely if I had a guess now. You know on the i Pad Pro to make a really good i Pad Pro at P.T.
1:48:18You really use that expansive screen space very well. And also it would be nice if it worked well with the pencil.
1:48:25I think that's going to be a huge differentiator because again.
1:48:29I like the pencil idea I think it sounds very good and very compelling and very interesting. However again.
1:48:34There's going to be very few of these things the market for a while so it's going to be hard just numbers wise now.
1:48:40Assume they have healthy installed base. Assume it actually becomes reasonably possible to sell a decent number of.
1:48:48You know thirty dollars or whatever apps on a thing.
1:48:52Then the question is can you actually build and sustain a business with the app stores.
1:48:58Pricing and trial of of great situation and that is another question. You know.
1:49:04We've had we've had i Pads for five years now.
1:49:08Five and a half years now and I know a lot of companies have struggled to bring that kind of business to the i Pad.
1:49:15It's hard enough on the i Phone where you have tons of value to make up for it. It's even harder on the i Pad. So how.
1:49:23What do you think like I don't think the i Pad Pro alone. Can solve that problem.
1:49:29It can solve the first problem of hail to get a bunch of people buy these things. You know because they're really good.
1:49:33But how do you solve the second problem there.
1:49:36You know if you're Apple like how do you solve the App Store pricing problem
1:49:39or do you not think that's enough the problem the matter.
1:49:43You know I don't know what the right answer is I do know that from the show been Thompson wrote a really good piece
1:49:49about the Apple platforms becoming platforms rather than products and. I didn't get a chance to read it thoroughly.
1:49:58So I now I'm assigning myself some homework to do so but will put a link in the chat for both myself
1:50:03and for for the listeners. I think that. I think that.
1:50:07From what I did get to read of it he made some really really great points.
1:50:11And that you know Apple seems to think that they can solve these problems by just creating new products
1:50:16and that's not the case just like you said Mark. Yeah.
1:50:23The reason i Pad pro's interesting is because it's find new product with different features that.
1:50:27Like it changes a little bit of the equation. Like if you're going to sell a hundred dollar app for designers.
1:50:33For the i Pad. Without a stylus good luck.
1:50:35Like if you're in one of my muscles just swipe at us with my finger big smile she bawled rubber hot dog
1:50:40or something that's nonsense on starter. So certainly things are more possible. They.
1:50:45This post from the sketches honors our sketch developers the so definitive It's like apps on AI as a quote absent I
1:50:52said I was sell for on a sustainably low prices due to the lack of trials like they have there just flat out conclusion.
1:50:58They sell for us is that the presence of family law and the reason is no trial. And we all agree that like you know.
1:51:05Based on the model that we know worked on the mac.
1:51:08Upgrade pricing trials for very expensive applications you can figure out if you like and so on and so forth.
1:51:13That is a system that has already existed on the mac. The did work. Apple's contention.
1:51:19Implicit contention with i OS has been. We can get rid of all the bad sides of that system. While you know.
1:51:28And make up for it by just being better in so many other ways make up for an invaluable make up for it in an easier
1:51:35develop platform make up for a better user experience and more people buy a rap song that you know.
1:51:39Make up for it because people can just tap that finger on a piece of glass and buy rap really usually
1:51:43and will take care of the payments like and. It's enough to be.
1:51:47You know probably the most successful application platform ever created because it's so easy to buy Apple cation is far
1:51:53far far more people put apps on their phones than ever put apps on their computers. You know.
1:51:58Volume wise like it's just so easy to get out like we talk to others before. There are lots of upside.
1:52:03But once you get into the realm of professional applications applications that cost a lot of money to develop
1:52:09applications that are always going to sell in smaller volumes they're not angry birds that you know there's only.
1:52:14There's only seven hundred thousand people in the entire United States who even need this application
1:52:18and I need to sell to five percent of them.
1:52:21And that's my entire user base are going to charge each one of them a thousand dollars.
1:52:25And I can't charge each one of them a thousand dollars every single year.
1:52:28I have to charge them a thousand dollars once and then two hundred dollars every year or two when I make major updates.
1:52:33And if I can't do that. It doesn't work for me and pick whatever. Numbers you want the applications like.
1:52:38I'm thinking back to the good old days of the I am rich application. In some ways.
1:52:44That's going to have a kind of nostalgia for the idea that that's how high the pricing would go.
1:52:49I know there are some high priced out locations and I was for a very very narrowly defined field
1:52:54but it's just this big gulf. Like in the middle between free or almost free things.
1:53:01And you know and things that are just really expensive are being sold to companies that used to be on the Mac.
1:53:08There was and still kind of is a healthy place for applications that cost. Tens or hundreds of dollars that.
1:53:16Let people do their jobs better. And that the developers. Support that application an ongoing basis.
1:53:23Year after year after year just working on the application making a better porting its new platforms.
1:53:28Knowing that their user base doesn't need to grow by leaps
1:53:31and bounds of able to continue to pay them a little bit of money each year for the new version of the whatever because
1:53:35it helps them get their job done. So I sympathize with the sketch people but I really hope. I really help someone.
1:53:43Some poor sucker I guess. Runs the experiment and says well you know.
1:53:48Can I make a business selling professional level applications for double digit or triple digit prices on the i Pad Pro.
1:53:56Not just like you get an Apple design award I see is that you don't receive
1:54:00but five years from now still be selling the.
1:54:02The latest version of that application and have an actual company that runs with.
1:54:06Maybe more than Wanted to people selling out to people really use.
1:54:10That's what I think Apple should be bragging about they would go up there
1:54:12and they brag about look at all these applications we have. And look at this once beautiful and and.
1:54:18You all of this opera whatever but where are there are success stories like you know you know dhobi Photoshop or B.B.
1:54:24Edit for crying out loud or any applications like. This isn't just a flash in the pan.
1:54:29Popular application for a company that got bought by Facebook or Google or went out of business
1:54:33or got venture funding or whatever but is actually a sustainable business.
1:54:36And you know and then that they have things like I'm in a group at the very least.
1:54:40And I west they have like Well companies that can subsidize things like Microsoft and Apple itself
1:54:45and to some degree Adobe.
1:54:47And then a bunch of other want to present shops to get really rich selling a game that sells to millions of people
1:54:52which is great Those games are great and everything. More power to them.
1:54:56But there's a dead spot in the middle for applications that could sell to a lot of people.
1:55:01But are forced to sell for two dollars.
1:55:04Because of the real or imagined pressure to price that low and the platform is worse for all for it and.
1:55:13I think users are a software that's what setting aside developers because developers can always do something else like
1:55:18a different application do you know developers are employable there but they'll be fine right.
1:55:22It's just most disappointing for Apple and for users because users want better applications
1:55:26and I think sort of Apple I think they would be able to brag more convincingly about the things that happen on their
1:55:31platform. If it wasn't a new one every year right.
1:55:36So we have at least by the way the clock reads on the Sky call we have had two hours of follow up so I think we're
1:55:42pretty much tapped out. Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week. Squarespace. Lynda dot com and automatic.
1:55:49And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental.
1:56:01The was accidental. John didn't feel any team are going to be seen with him.
1:56:09Because it was that little dental was accidental. And you today. And if you're trying to build.
1:56:25And he was no sense that that's keep lists and the N.T. Marco are the men. Let's take the risk you.
1:56:54So Marco did anything happen today. Barely. It almost happen tomorrow. For enough so you have a new thing. Yeah.
1:57:04Launch a new app. It's called Peace. It's an I.R.S. Non-content blocker. And the big deal about it is.
1:57:11So it's an addon tracker blocker but the big deal about it is that I actually license. The database from Go story.
1:57:17So this is powered by GO story. Which is pretty cool I think I think it's I think it's the best database out there.
1:57:23Honestly I tried a lot of them. And really a lot over the summer. And I found them to be the best. So I went to them.
1:57:32I asked of avian treated and licensing it for a simple. Revenue share deal and they actually said Yes it's amazing.
1:57:43Yes So we worked it out. And they're fun to work with and the Easy.
1:57:47Looks as you know they're big companies that was kind of a surprise for me. And yeah. Great all August of.
1:57:53If you couldn't have licenses a race would you have made the app anyway.
1:57:57I had other databases you know in various stages of testing throughout the summer and.
1:58:02I had a really hard time finding one that. That was really truly good.
1:58:07And not just some like total mammoth thing like massive number of rules massive you know database size
1:58:15and complexity and everything because the bigger you make the rules that the worse. It impacts performance and.
1:58:22It is a pretty fast system. And you can do quite a lot of rules and have it not slow down too bad but you know.
1:58:30You do change things like like how.
1:58:33When you make a change the rules you have to send the system all of your rules again.
1:58:37So if you like add a white list and site. You to send all of your rules back to the system again.
1:58:41And that actually takes. With my rule set on an i Phone six which is the grocery database.
1:58:47That takes like two and a half seconds to do it by the way you can tell how long it takes is if you use the the.
1:58:53The open unrestricted extension. The way that works.
1:58:58Is it literally just sends an empty rule set open day so far if you controller.
1:59:03And then when the Safari view controller closes it renewables the regular rule set.
1:59:07And so you can tell when one is forgiven for close it says restoring peace about thought for a few seconds
1:59:13and that screen goes away. That is how long it takes to reload the content blocker rules.
1:59:18That is what that is waiting for. And so if you. If you test or. If you do a larger database.
1:59:22Most of it the big host files the easy list all these. All the different sources of your ad log format or hosts format.
1:59:31Block Lists. If you do those.
1:59:34You tend to get like ten thousand entries for a good one
1:59:36and mine is two thousand so it literally it loads for the most part pretty much five times more more quickly
1:59:43and then there is some.
1:59:44You know some per page cost as well
1:59:46and even the cost might be small it is still a per page cost to evaluate all those rules.
1:59:50You know try to do smart things like building trees and you know building.
1:59:53Fast parsers and everything but it's still you know the fewer rules. The faster it is so.
1:59:59I also found with the other rule sets.
2:00:02Had more compatibility problems like certain sites like there's there's a tracker I think it's called Adobe I'm not
2:00:08sure I don't know much about the stuff about the specifics of these things but in the enterprise. Exactly.
2:00:13It's also used on Apple site. And if you. If you don't. If you allow for other if you block.
2:00:19Adobe on that you're on Apple developer site. The site doesn't work.
2:00:25It's like you can't do provisioning profile of stuff like that like.
2:00:28It doesn't work because certain sites will actually use various events triggered by these analytics packages to trigger
2:00:35page functionality. So if you disable some of these things. Pages actually stop working right. And go story. Does.
2:00:43You know.
2:00:43Compatibility work they're big enough company they have the resources to to both hear about these things and does
2:00:48and to make exceptions of their their databases pretty sophisticated like you know these rules should be should be
2:00:53exempted on these domains otherwise things break. You know stuff like that.
2:00:57So they so their data was just it was better for me it was just better I did try. One of my.
2:01:04One of my crazy ideas which I ran for about two weeks. Was to just block. All third party javascript. Just all of it.
2:01:14And I found I had to already make a few little exceptions even just to make that work.
2:01:18Like one of the biggest ones was Squarespace sites. They were just break like simple things like links and images and.
2:01:25You know Squarespace host all of its scripts on like a static square space CD
2:01:28and domain which you consider third party if you look at our pigs template because we have our own domain.
2:01:32So any Squarespace site hosted on some domain name. Would break without the certain exemptions made on Google as like J.
2:01:38Query hosting and tons of people use that so you can't block all third party because just lots of the whole arc.
2:01:44Exactly and I even found like. Like I was like so many sites that you wouldn't think like like out like.
2:01:49It was when I was drunk when I started my camera and B.H. Their site broke. Like the whole B.N.
2:01:54Excite you just can't view any product pagan I us. With that enabled.
2:01:58Since there were just there were so many things that broke. With simpler rules like that and then the bigger rule sets.
2:02:06Worse. We're primarily focused on like hiding ads on P.C.'s and without regard to breakage is really.
2:02:15So they had a lot of those issues with breakage is they also just had these giant rule sets that were full of like you
2:02:21know. Five thousand entries for Russian porn sites and do I really need that to I really need to waste.
2:02:26Thousands of entries on things like that in to block those ads for the X. Ten camera. Allow.
2:02:33I'm sure you saw that on Total Gym a new site. So. So yeah I mean.
2:02:38I tried lots of other databases
2:02:40and rule sets I inquired about about licensing because a lot of these things like for instance.
2:02:46I saw a couple of couple of the browser blockers. If you're free and open source.
2:02:51You could include a lot more host names and block list sources than if you're a commercial product.
2:02:57If you're a commercial app on i OS.
2:03:00There's a lot of these list that you're not allowed to use by their license agreement. I did go to some of them.
2:03:05Approach them for licensing. Most of them didn't respond some of them said no. Some of them said yes for X.
2:03:11Dollars a year. But I never found any that were both usable. And were actually good enough.
2:03:18If that makes sense except Go story. And I went That's why I went there I did not think they would say yes.
2:03:23I figured their big company they have these plugins they don't want to do their own thing.
2:03:28Turns out they don't want to do their own thing
2:03:29and I was because the concept like are so limited they can't do their core business function.
2:03:33So they didn't really have anything ready for us nine. And I was. And I had an app that needed a database.
2:03:39And they had a database need a nap. So there you go. That's pretty awesome. Yeah it really worked out very well.
2:03:47To channel some friends of ours you know I've been testing it for a couple of weeks now and it is pretty darn good and.
2:03:53It's funny because I had. I've been noticing that.
2:04:00Especially at home when I'm doing more browsing for me rather than you know looking up things for work.
2:04:06I felt like my internet had been getting slower lately and I couldn't put my finger on what it was or why it was.
2:04:13And between installing go straight on my mac and installing peace on my US devices. Suddenly.
2:04:19Things seem snappier again and there's very well could be that this is ALL my head.
2:04:25But I feel like having these content blockers. Has really made things feel.
2:04:32Snappy like they did just a year or two ago. And so whatever content blocker you choose to run.
2:04:38Whether it's peace or something else.
2:04:40I strongly encourage you to to run one because it really does make your your browsing experience that much better
2:04:46especially if you're on a limited data plan
2:04:49and you don't want to have to pull down all that's purple's information that really doesn't help you read what you're
2:04:54trying to read so do you going to do you have more on this topic I think will save for the next over the do want to
2:05:00talk more about things that Marco had a post today about peace but also kind of about the larger issue of advocating
2:05:07and tracking blocking all that stuff.
2:05:10And of course he had profit previously about that is wealthy should read those see already has your homework.
2:05:14Was an earth. Next week we'll probably talk more about at blocking a lot of stuff but in the meantime.
2:05:21I'm mostly upset that phoneme i Pad three has been left behind because none of the content bloggers honest.
2:05:28They can't can't because of a that what it was a requirement a seven sixty four bit sixty four bit
2:05:34and is it just for content block receives far better than every submission of the research departments. Its content.
2:05:39The content blocker backend is sixty four bit only. OK So that's the current. Yeah.
2:05:45What is the sixty four but there are finally accepting sixty four bit only apps right
2:05:49but you can't you don't have to submit that I just be speaking. Yep that's right. Anyway.
2:05:54Content blockers are all things for a bit if you have an i Pad three like me you're sad. But it's kind of a bummer.
2:05:59And I really do need to you know I pet. My Pad three is really showing its age now like.
2:06:06When I I still do manual updates because I'm a nerd I want to see what updated and stuff.
2:06:11So when I go to the App Store updates tab and it's like five things need to be updated I had update all.
2:06:16And then I had the home button and try to go to another app I don't know why even bother.
2:06:20Because I've had it going to a parallel while doing all those updates in the background.
2:06:24You know I'm just trying to browse a web page just everything is slow and creaky so yeah.
2:06:29I'm you know i Pad But you know I just installed a piece for and.
2:06:34We'll talk more about content bloggers next week but I'm in favor of them. Short version.