The Accidental Tech Podcast

134: Who Did It Firster?

 

  Let's just dive right in let's start with something hugely important. Let's talk about mice analogy. [TS]

  A lot of people have written in and and asked me with regard to my. [TS]

  My computer woes and I'm putting woes and humongous air quotes there. What why. [TS]

  Why is it I'm so preoccupied with having a computer. That will be good at running plex. [TS]

  When I have a Sonali G specifically a D.S. Eight hundred thirteen plus sitting right next to me as we speak. [TS]

  That can host plex. Why am I complaining and moaning about having a computer to do that. [TS]

  Well the reason is that at least as of six months or maybe a year ago now. When I was running solid G. [TS]

  Of running small G. Running plex on my some knowledge. [TS]

  What ended up happening was anytime I tried to do a live transcode of just about anything. [TS]

  It just ground to a screeching halt. And it couldn't keep up with the trans code. Now. [TS]

  It could be that things have gotten better over time. It could be that I didn't have my settings. [TS]

  Squared away because to Marcos point. [TS]

  You know generally speaking plexus pretty maintenance free but it can get a little fiddly on occasion. [TS]

  So it very well could be user error but one way [TS]

  or another my experience with the eight hundred thirteen plus running Plex is that it just cannot transcode quick [TS]

  enough and thus I need a full bore computer to do it now there are other smaller G. Models that absolutely. [TS]

  Can transcode really well on the fly. The one that I have in my experience anyway was not it. [TS]

  Now the other question is OK well why it why do you have to transcode the first place. Why don't you just you know. [TS]

  Have what MPEG four video whatever it is all over the place well let's just say that not all of my media is consistent. [TS]

  And I'll leave it at that I could take on Milton scripts and transcode. Everything. But that takes a long time. [TS]

  Because I don't have a trash can macro. And I'm too darn Lisi. So that is why I'm not using. Plex on my senility. [TS]

  I have the same Sonali G. and It's not. I mean it's a fairly when P.C.B. UN there it's not great it transcoding. [TS]

  But I haven't really run plex on it I use analogies native video. Serving thing is any good transcode sign. [TS]

  Like either it can't transcode it at all which very rarely happens [TS]

  but does occasionally happen where I just can't make heads or tails of it and it says like you know. [TS]

  File and readable or whatever. I bet some some error messages that like. I can make as Or tell. [TS]

  But most of the stuff that I find some pretty weird stuff. You know weird M Cavies of unknown origin is right.. [TS]

  To transcode them ten A.D.P. [TS]

  You know you can't do anything fancy like scrub around a video like don't like all you can do is play from the [TS]

  beginning of sensually but they can keep up a dozen dropped frames. [TS]

  So it could just be plexus not taking advantage of the hardware in the same way that the thing that comes with analogy [TS]

  isn't in general when I've looked at like plaques and all the other sorts of things. So knowledge used. [TS]

  Like that they call B.S. Video they have an i OS app they have to have a little server thing. My T.V.. [TS]

  With no software installed just the quote unquote smart. Features of my T.V. It's either just as a deal on a server. [TS]

  It's not fancy. It's not pretty. [TS]

  It doesn't show you the cover art for your things and have a bunch of method in to all the stuff the Plex does. [TS]

  But it has a fairly high rate of being able to play the video in a straight line from beginning to end. [TS]

  Don't touch anything. No. Well maybe I'll start out I mean I freaking love plex with all my being. It. [TS]

  I do like all the meditative it gives you. [TS]

  I do think despite what markers experience has been that it's very very easy ninety nine percent of the time the only [TS]

  problem with plaques. Is that you really have to name things the way they expect you to name things. [TS]

  But if you do and you're OK with that. Then you don't ever have to look at the names of anything. Because it's all. [TS]

  You know with the cover art and with the full meditative just like you're saying John. [TS]

  I really love it but it may be worth giving a sing a try just to see and I think it's the the play serious the D.S. [TS]

  Two fourteen play is the one I can think of all thought my head that the small G. [TS]

  Makes that I believe has some onboard hardware to do some of this transcoding but arson Elegies do not. [TS]

  So just something to consider. [TS]

  I have one of those play ones too and it does claim to have hardware stuff and you can turn it on but I think [TS]

  when you turn it on the hardware decoding like it reduces the amount of things that it's able to transcode on a file [TS]

  like at the hardware decoding is like you know. Understand. [TS]

  Some particular formats and some particular bit rates or whatever. That's. [TS]

  I don't know if that's true that's been my impression but [TS]

  when I checked that checkbox all the sudden a bunch of other stuff doesn't play. I want to check it. [TS]

  Everything still plays fine. [TS]

  And so I don't see what the advantage is it's not as if checking it makes something that I couldn't previously play [TS]

  play better. Everything place fine in software mode so I just leave the harbor thing on checked. [TS]

  If only the new Apple T.V. Played M K V files natively will get I tell you what though if there is a. [TS]

  If there's a plex app for the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Which I've got to assume there will be I'm going to have to that's that genuinely that will probably make me buy one [TS]

  although I will say that I do love my Fire T.V. Stick it does work really well. Yeah. [TS]

  Put out that the not so don't forget to to crush your plex streams for Apple T.V. Later. [TS]

  Follow up since you went to the last ball biting first now a lot of water here solid go to the first. [TS]

  The First off bottom second from Michael Hammond he was the first person to point out that last year [TS]

  when I was trying to talk about the things that Apple is not going to do when they do the S. [TS]

  Revision of their phones like it's not a total hardware redesign It's just like like the previous phone [TS]

  but as the air sample I gave was a not going to suffer by Touch ID But of course such a deed to debut on an S. Phone. [TS]

  Brain fart sorry so never mind that example needed when you caught either. No. Yeah. [TS]

  We forget Well I guess I wanted to see if you knew. [TS]

  Now if I mean I knew as soon as those point out to me like I was stupid evil then I then of course of that I actually [TS]

  said that when you listen back Michelle has a yeah I did so but anyway. [TS]

  Michael Hammond won the race he was the first one. And then a million other people told me which is fine. [TS]

  All this next piece follow up is me. [TS]

  We've talked on and off about the crescent moon on the front of the i Phone six and maybe even six plus. [TS]

  I wanted to remind everyone that we did about this a little while ago that your warranty if you did not buy Apple Care [TS]

  probably runs out the next ten or so days if you got a launch day i Phone six. [TS]

  I have scheduled a Genius Bar appointment for this coming Sunday. [TS]

  Believe About midday and so I'm going to go into the Genius Bar to see about them replacing. [TS]

  Either the screen or the entire phone. I have heard from numerous people through the Internet. [TS]

  I've heard that they will completely give you a new phone which I think is. [TS]

  Actually refer to strictly speaking but the given give you a phone that's new to you. [TS]

  I've heard that they'll give you or of repair the screen like give you a whole new screen assembly. [TS]

  And I've heard they'll tell you. Well it doesn't affect the pictures so screw off and. [TS]

  I don't know I guess every every person's experience is a little bit different. [TS]

  I will report back on what my experience is but I will find out Sunday. Additionally. I'm told as per lane. W. [TS]

  That to get this fixed. Out of warranty is one hundred nine dollars. [TS]

  I don't know if that is inclusive of Apple Care or not [TS]

  but it's something to think about so if you have one of these crescent moon. I Phone. [TS]

  Issues I would strongly suggest you go and get that checked out in the next week or so Gandhi. [TS]

  Gave some clarification on the whole thing about the S B G icon for the pin tab and Safari nine. [TS]

  Why were there two different instructions I think we put them both in last week's show notes. [TS]

  Turns out that there is only one one of them is old one of them is you know it was difficult to tell which was which [TS]

  will put links in the show it's to clear it up. [TS]

  The real one the apple on to use now is the one that says Link rally gles mask hyphen hike on. [TS]

  That is the real one that is the good one that's the one you have to put in. [TS]

  I have to go to my side and delete the other one now that I know which one is fake [TS]

  and is also linked to a thread in Apple's developer forms and mailing with the archive on one of the W.G. [TS]

  Meaningless from the W three. Explaining the evolution of the thing but anyway. [TS]

  It's link rally calls mask I have an icon in case you're wondering. All right. [TS]

  Our first batch of this week is Cards Against Humanity. [TS]

  And rather than reading a normal sponsor read they ask John to review a toaster or stuff. [TS]

  John what is this week's toaster and a weird one this week. [TS]

  Because I have never heard of this brand to before [TS]

  and I think this is the first well we've ever had of this brand you guys can tell me this is a rose will all one word.. [TS]

  No capital W. This is the R H T's hero I guess it's got to be a no. R H T O. [TS]

  Yes it is a no hyphen one three zero zero one. Another name with was in zero then it. But they stare separated. [TS]

  Haven't. This is. I think the biggest toaster. I've ever tested. [TS]

  It is really really big it is bigger in all dimensions than what I thought was my pretty big Breville success the Xcel [TS]

  toaster. They sell to Newegg. I don't know where cover and they disapprove of my house and. [TS]

  It is really really tall and. [TS]

  I don't understand why it's all tall it is the tallest host I've ever seen in my life it is taller than any host of [TS]

  everything a store is taller than the really big gravels top. [TS]

  Like I don't understand why it's so tall the manual to come to this very thin. [TS]

  It doesn't give any reason for to be so darn tall and it. [TS]

  You would think like I was you so you can fit an entire chicken in there. [TS]

  Like vertically maybe like one would all like. I think the proportions of all the other toasters. [TS]

  Like if you have a chicken. That is too tall to fit in one of those houses I tested. [TS]

  It's not going to fit lengthwise you know like the proportions. Anyway. [TS]

  It's inexplicably tall and it just dominates the counter that it's on. I thought the first word thing about it. [TS]

  Some standard things about it it's another three now poster. [TS]

  Three knobs that all have to be in the right position for anything to happen. [TS]

  You've got a temperature knob on top that goes from zero to four fifty although the manual says it has a max setting it [TS]

  doesn't just stop of or has any way turn all that of the right. Then you've got a function knob. [TS]

  With toast on one ended like a warming function the other [TS]

  and then you've got a timer knob that turn to the right for a little taking timer and turns a lot for the stay on mode. [TS]

  I don't know who decided this three number enjoyment is a good idea but it appears to be the most common [TS]

  and it's terrible because it's like you know. [TS]

  At all three nouns has been the right position for you to do anything right. And it will gladly. [TS]

  Like you'll turn little toast not a knob to. You know whatever to try to toast. [TS]

  If you don't have the other knobs or our position it will gladly just sit there [TS]

  and take away the light side of nothing tells you that it's not actually toasting your bread until you come back to [TS]

  minutes later go. [TS]

  Why is this bread getting brown or actually in this case for four and a half minutes is about four [TS]

  and a half minutes to tell us which is pretty good considering the cavern that you have to do it like it's so lonely [TS]

  that this has three professions for the rack and it has a huge shape rack that you can flip over. [TS]

  But the you shaped like is allowing a centimeter difference between up and down. Maybe two centimeters anyway. [TS]

  Again what difference is two centimeters up or down make in this giant toast is like a foot tall. [TS]

  I don't understand it's got to UNGUARDED elements in the bottom two. On Guard elements on the top crumb tray. [TS]

  Slides out. Reasonably well. The door. The massive massive door has a weird. Herve to it. [TS]

  It opens all the way it doesn't feel like it's bending [TS]

  or breaking of the whole thing here is that here's the thing that I'm still puzzling over about this toaster. [TS]

  The whole toaster feels like it's not high end so it's not like trying to be shine your glossy [TS]

  or like have the controls feel good but it's not chintzy either like nothing wiggles when it should [TS]

  and you know it's like exactly middle of the road. [TS]

  Very sort of straightforward Fisher Price competent every part of it is not loose. But like. [TS]

  It just has an air of like competence to it then I don't know I'm associated with this Rosewell brand that I've never [TS]

  heard of. But it's apparently a new a generic brand. Just please don't you know. [TS]

  Yeah that makes some sense like a new exile thing where if you buy something for new legs like an off brand like [TS]

  Monoprice you know where it's like. It's not really a name brand but it's also not terrible. [TS]

  I don't know it's very strong so the knobs they feel kind of gritty and a little bit stiff. [TS]

  But they don't feel like they're going to fall off in your hands they do their knob. [TS]

  Job well they have a little market. [TS]

  They have little markings on them so you can see where they're pointing they tell like they're just standard knobs they [TS]

  don't do any of the terrible mistake the other ones try to do. The door. [TS]

  Feels a little bit too big and too loose but it doesn't weigh go it doesn't twist and it's thing it just opens [TS]

  and closes fine. [TS]

  I still have the poster is just way too big [TS]

  and forty five minutes is like the sort of the average a little bit too slow toasted I think is just too long that. [TS]

  To wait. But if you like to toast really big things I guess really tall stuff. [TS]

  It doesn't OK job like for a giant toaster like it feels like a waste of space to me [TS]

  but I can't find anything terribly wrong with it it in terms of the big toaster to take a long time to toast bread. [TS]

  It seems OK I didn't look at the prices I always forget to look at the price because they just arrive [TS]

  and I don't know like it's a hundred bucks. Well heart now I've changed my opinion. Not a hundred dollar toaster. [TS]

  Do not buy the toaster for hundred dollars I don't feel like it's like fifty or sixty five hundred dollars [TS]

  and I would get the smaller Black and Decker three knob thing or something. [TS]

  Well the hundred dollar price does match up with what you said about how it's kind of in the middle between low [TS]

  and high end where you know the high end toasters like you're probably like one hundred eighty. [TS]

  And then we've had a lot of good ones that are like forty or fifty. [TS]

  Yeah but I think I feel like the best fifty dollar one. We had is better than it has just so big and so slow. [TS]

  I just like the quality of it was it was like I felt like using a Monoprice toaster. [TS]

  It's not name brand it's not quite right it's a little bit off. [TS]

  The plastic a little bit of the WRONG WITH here I'm like for the really long toast I have you're going to use it mostly [TS]

  for toasting things this is not the toaster for you. [TS]

  It's all black which I think is reasonably tasteful after some of the weirder toasters that we had. [TS]

  Yeah I don't know maybe you see on sale. [TS]

  She had it would dot com for eighty bucks pick it up but really take the measurements first. [TS]

  You know going to your kitchen and measured out [TS]

  and feeling finance your countertop underneath your cabinets because it is huge Do you think maybe this is for somebody [TS]

  who wants to toast. An entire dozen of bagels at once. Vertically. [TS]

  Just acting like you know like well like you have so much space [TS]

  but it doesn't give you any like Holder is arranging to use that space that also comes with a circular thing like for [TS]

  pizza or whatever which is weird because it doesn't even have much of a bump on the back of it. [TS]

  And the trays that come with there are also sort of similarly middle of the road it comes with a lot of excess we've [TS]

  got the big tray. That's the thing that goes inside the tread and it's got the circle thing. [TS]

  So no this this is inscrutable I mean I think we'll have to get more of these roses little ones to see. [TS]

  To get the number of this manufacturer but hundred dollars seems the to me [TS]

  and honestly I don't understand a person maybe a giant person. Maybe like someone who is like an N.B.A. [TS]

  Player or an N.F.L. Player who's just much bigger than regular people that this is a proportional toaster for them. [TS]

  And it is by very tall bread I don't know. Thanks a lot the cards against humanity. For sponsoring our show this week. [TS]

  Once again. OK so some things have happened today. We are out of August and news is happening once again. [TS]

  We have made it through the dark days and now we are back in the light. So there was an apple keynote today. [TS]

  And it was a busy one. There was a lot going on how long was it all told like two and a half hours something like that. [TS]

  I mean it's a long and busy keynote and. [TS]

  So I guess the understanding is that this is the last keynote we're going to see from Apple this calendar year. [TS]

  Yeah I think it's interesting I mean you know if you like John Gruber wrist. [TS]

  Was predicting before hand that you know this doesn't make sense it's too much stuff they always have to have for a [TS]

  long time and that was correct. I think one thing. [TS]

  That is very clear from this is that they they didn't want to relegate anything to a secondary keynote and. [TS]

  One thing that didn't make any appearance at all is El Capitan and anything about the mac. Like the mac. [TS]

  Like I think there was like some. Some like Easter eggs somewhere like on a screenshot on one of the demos. [TS]

  It said that it's coming out on September thirtieth. But that was a that was an e-mail. An e-mail in Federico i Phone. [TS]

  And he was doing the. I'm already forgot the term but I was doing a quick look for the message and it said. [TS]

  What's coming out on the thirtieth. P.S. Top secret. Right exactly. So like. [TS]

  But other than that you know there was really no mention of the Macin today's keynote because honestly there wasn't [TS]

  room for it. And I think maybe. You know we've we've we keep waiting for sky like. Right and we keep hearing. [TS]

  Scully is coming soon if you know any time between now and six months from now saying. [TS]

  I think this is kind of confirmation that. [TS]

  Either we're not going to see any scarlet stuff from Apple for the rest of the year. [TS]

  Or it will be so minor that will just be like a website update. You know. [TS]

  So I wouldn't expect much on the mac front for the rest of the year. [TS]

  Besides release of a cop autonomy no maybe just maybe this four K. I'M NOT comes out but you know that. [TS]

  Honestly in this event there was no room for that. The four K. IMAX not a big deal. [TS]

  It's a it's a mid-range product it isn't a high end product it's barely it's not even really a redesign as far as we [TS]

  know so you know the mac is conspicuously missing here [TS]

  but I think that's I think Apple really wanted to give a boost to their other things that aren't the I. [TS]

  You know they talked a little bit about the watchful eye so that they want to launch the new i Pad Pro [TS]

  and the new Apple T.V. These are major new product launches that. [TS]

  As far as I know I mean you have to I will have to ask people who like work for big sites far as I know the. [TS]

  I Phone event every year is always the biggest event audience wise. [TS]

  It seems like way more people watch the i Phone event every year than the other Apple live streams. [TS]

  And so if Apple wants to give things the best chance this is like to get a go in between Friends and Seinfeld. [TS]

  Like this this is a lot like you know you can put anything in front of the i Phones at this event and. [TS]

  And it will get a lot of exposure. Even more so than Apple's usual stuff. Because already lot of exposure. [TS]

  So you know they want they want to give the i Pad program T.V. and The watch. [TS]

  The biggest boost they can leading into the holiday season. [TS]

  So it makes sense that they did it this way however I mean I don't know about you guys. [TS]

  I'm totally overwhelmed by this I don't even know I mean I guess we can just go chronologically but I don't. [TS]

  We're not going to cover all this even in one show I mean our podcast to shorten the keynote. [TS]

  And then cation Lee said Well I think well it had all the highlights I think will come to revisit a lot of these things [TS]

  because again we're every cording was the day that you know it happened I don't know about you guys [TS]

  but I didn't have much time to research all the things he's the keynote ended and you know picking kids up [TS]

  and making dinner like I didn't. [TS]

  You know so this is the same thing we do have to be to resee get overwhelmed with a bunch information see a big thing [TS]

  and then talk about it. So I'm sure. I think we taught them all my notes I think we'll be able to hit all of them. [TS]

  And then towards the end it once we've gone through all that we can get bogged down details [TS]

  and fall upon the next week. As for the mac stuff that you're mentioning. [TS]

  I think it's understandable because the only thing that thing that I could possibly have to announce was Al Capp which [TS]

  we've seen a million times before that I don't think there any surprises there. And even if they had a new hardware. [TS]

  It would be exactly the kind of thing to get cut for space. [TS]

  And they had tons of other stuff and they're only doing one show. Until the stuff gets cut. It's not much of a slight. [TS]

  Because all they would have been doing is damning things we've already seen. And showing us hardware. [TS]

  That does not surprise us and anyway it would be nice you know it's a nice announcement oh look the new Macs are out [TS]

  and here their futures and I wonder what ships they put in then I wonder what the prices are [TS]

  but other than that there's nothing like you know. One of the max comes with a pencil or something. [TS]

  You know so that's just. If you just rank things in priority order and kind of it's a two hour mark. [TS]

  All the mac related stuff happens to fall off the bottom. Which I think is fine. [TS]

  You know I think the mac got a lot of screen time it doubled every D.C. [TS]

  You know disproportionate to the amount of money that it makes Apple in the amount of Macs that they sell and you know. [TS]

  All out of Russia and everything else. [TS]

  This was not the show for the max was a shows for the other stuff so I thought it was fine I didn't think the mac. [TS]

  Got slighted in any way. Right so let's start with the watch. New Apple Watch stuff. [TS]

  Yeah there's some new colors for the Apple Watch. I was actually hugely disappointed that did the rose. [TS]

  But don't risk old one of the call yet Rose Bowl. [TS]

  The pink one that that wasn't a thing when the watch came out because I think Aaron would have loved that. [TS]

  That being said [TS]

  when I tried to quickly really watch the keynote this afternoon Aaron seemed very unimpressed by it so I'm not sure if [TS]

  she really would have loved it but typically She likes that kind of pain that very like soft pink. [TS]

  She loves her pink razor which I think we've talked about in parts in the past. [TS]

  Not to say the pink is only for girls but the girl that I know best happens to really like pink [TS]

  and so that's why bring it up. There's the new bands by hermès. Is that right at lives Irma's. [TS]

  Yeah you're right you're right. So I was trying really hard to remember but that's OK. I didn't know that before today. [TS]

  I needed it I would've said Hermes until today. Yeah. So there's new bands. [TS]

  Clearly not targeted to me because I think the one that wraps double around your wrist looks absolutely ridiculous [TS]

  and it seems like to be a pain in the butt to put on. So obviously not for me. [TS]

  Pain in the but the put on has no bearing on fashion. That's a true. [TS]

  Second of all yeah I've been told by my expert wife. That that is very much in fashion right now. Yeah. [TS]

  When you see it did you see the giant cuff for men. [TS]

  You see that hundred understand that it's like you're being shackled to [TS]

  or watch like this watch the strap is not enough to hold to my wrist I need something bigger. Well. [TS]

  Yeah I mean this is. This is way beyond our understanding because this is high fashion. And we are not high fashion. [TS]

  Maybe the blocks bullets. Is that a Wonder Woman reference that is all he goes for to younger that show. [TS]

  You know well there's that. OK so. New colors new bands. [TS]

  Brief mention of watch us to I got to say is quick aside I'm really freakin stoked for. [TS]

  For a custom complications or third party complications I actually I'm intending to write a blog post about this if [TS]

  and when I ever have a chance to breathe. [TS]

  But I can think of a handful of apps that I would love to have custom complications for and. [TS]

  What is the face that has no analog portion to it the modular. Yeah believe. [TS]

  So the modular face I think it's a fat equally hideous. But if the right set of complications. Came out. [TS]

  I would probably switch to that. [TS]

  I'm really really stoked for Watch us to have you don't much with overcast for want us to. I look. [TS]

  I really I don't know if I should say this or not. I literally haven't started. [TS]

  Well you're going to have a busy fall I'd say. Yeah. I mean because it's mostly because the more use of the watch. [TS]

  And I want to go too far into this now as we've lost we have a lot of us to talk about [TS]

  but basically the more I used to watch. The less interested I am in running apps on it. [TS]

  I really like and I really like the watch and I use it. I use it every day I'm always wearing it. [TS]

  I love the activity tracking I love notifications. I love so much about the watch in reality. [TS]

  But I don't love the apps on it [TS]

  and I don't think I'm alone in that I think this is a very common opinion of it where you know people. [TS]

  People keep going on [TS]

  and on about how the watch is going to replay will be for the watch came out people went on about how can replace [TS]

  Phones and. And I was little skeptical about that and I think my skepticism has proven to be correct that. [TS]

  I don't think. Watches can replace phones I think anyone who has one of the smart watches. [TS]

  Will probably agree with that. [TS]

  That it isn't an issue of like oh just a wait a couple of years in the heart will be so much better. [TS]

  It's literally just like the ergonomics and the. The physical sides of things just don't work out that well. [TS]

  The watch is really cool for a lot of things. [TS]

  But being a general purpose at platform isn't one of those things as far as I'm concerned now there are there are a lot [TS]

  of things that could be done better. [TS]

  That would improve the situation with Watch us to custom complications I think they're they're making a lot of headway [TS]

  into that but I also think that when Apple designed the watch I think they made a bunch of mistakes. With the U.I. [TS]

  and The software structure and and. I would have made it a lot simpler. Honestly and we thought you know. [TS]

  I don't get too far and as we'll talk about it on another show but I would have basically only the watch face. [TS]

  Complications and notifications and glances and not have the home screen. [TS]

  Not have apps that are like these navigation hierarchy trees or that. [TS]

  That are really meant to do anything beyond a few seconds long. So anyway. [TS]

  I haven't started work on overcast for the watch in part because it isn't a high priority for me as a user of overcast. [TS]

  That the watch up I have now works OK. When I get a chance I'm going to do. They want us to out. [TS]

  I I'm not going to tackle trying to play things directly from the watch with no phone nearby. [TS]

  Anytime soon because I looked into it the B.B.C. [TS]

  and It's basically stream Lee limited in what you can do it should be challenging [TS]

  and I think honestly it would kind of suck. The reality of. You know movies files back and forth like. [TS]

  You know how many people do you know. Now with the watch. Who sync music. [TS]

  Over to it and listen on who had phones while a job like I don't know any but I mean I know you can do that [TS]

  and know people want that. But I don't know anybody has actually tried it and has wanted to do it more than once. [TS]

  Just because it's so. It's so cumbersome to transfer data back and forth and. [TS]

  I mean I barely even know enough people who have bluetooth headphones who can even do it all. But anyway. [TS]

  So I've been focused with overcast on streaming streaming streaming and getting to point out the door [TS]

  and so I'm working on that. The reality is almost all of overcast customers are using it on an i Phone. [TS]

  It's very few of them even have an apple watch. Very few have news on the i Pad. And none of them have an Apple T.V. [TS]

  Yet. That matters. [TS]

  So that's where I'm focusing my efforts on the i Phone app right now and once I finish two point zero. [TS]

  Which should be very soon. [TS]

  Then I can branch out to the platforms and start figuring out what might make sense there [TS]

  but for now I haven't even talked to where I think well that's surprising put. [TS]

  I am curious to see how that goes once you start really digging into the OAS to version and I'm gonna call it oh S. [TS]

  To forevermore. Because I want to. I mean honestly like. I hardly ever launched the overcast at my watch. [TS]

  I almost never use it. Like that's I think that's that's kind of a problem for me as a developer. [TS]

  But I I do I hear from people. When I ask people who use the app I hear from then similar things that. [TS]

  It just isn't as useful as we thought it would be for that kind of role. [TS]

  Now for all the other thing like for the things I mentioned. Notifications time stuff. Watch face complications. [TS]

  Glances. It's. It's very good at those things. Except glances. It's very good at the other parts of those things. [TS]

  If that's all it ever does that still are really nice device for a lot of people myself included I'm still very happy I [TS]

  bought it for all those reasons. [TS]

  If I if it never runs an app in like the typical like you know go back to the honeycomb screen. Find the icon. [TS]

  Launch the icon do some things in the app. If I never do that again with the watch. I'll be fine with this product. [TS]

  That's interesting there's not a lot of watch apps that I use [TS]

  but the ones I use I do quite like I really like fantastical. [TS]

  I really like this baby connect apps that we're probably not going to be using much longer can stack was getting quite [TS]

  a bit older now. Dark Sky is good. [TS]

  Yeah it's about it when I'm traveling there are some others that I use [TS]

  but that doesn't happen terribly often John what are you are using any third party apps for your watch really. [TS]

  I don't use an absolute there but I've found myself still forgetting [TS]

  and being frustrated by the fact that the watch is so much less use hold up the phone. [TS]

  Like if I don't have my phone in my pocket under somewhere in my watch. [TS]

  Oh that's right I'm not going to get text messages. I'm not going to see when like. You know something new calendar. [TS]

  But I guess I'll see the counter as of they think. [TS]

  But like the communication like that it that it does all communication through the phone [TS]

  and then once you are if you leave your phone your desk and you go to a meeting. [TS]

  I will not see if my wife text me something. And I forget that that's the case that forget that the. [TS]

  Because you start using it for those [TS]

  but those roles where it's like you're sort of on the wrist tapping you notice a notification is of things going on you [TS]

  start to believe that the watch is its own thing you're like I just need my watch I don't need to take my photo my [TS]

  pocket but then you're like I don't even need my phone and you do. [TS]

  So I looking forward to seven years from now when it can do all the same things a marker described. [TS]

  But not rely on the phone. For all of them and maybe even more than seven years. [TS]

  Because because for those functions that functionality lot of the times. [TS]

  That's all I need out of it I don't need to be launching absolute phone or surfing the web I just need to make [TS]

  and receive phone calls and tax and have an up to date synchronized calendar. And maybe you know. [TS]

  Do some basic lookups of contact information that can all sit on the watch because you'd then you know on the like I'm [TS]

  typing on the watch. [TS]

  I'm speaking into a Demeter's meeting using the species text or I'm sending audio things to people or I'm doing. [TS]

  Phone calls over the ten you little thing like is just for two seconds. Has room to grow. [TS]

  That [TS]

  and also the things they've done here are getting by sitting around cement as I'm glad to see that they are branching [TS]

  out a statically like that they're not going to. You know here's a bunch of watches you can get and then. [TS]

  You know a year from now are two years from now we'll make the next version the law should be a different fashion like [TS]

  they're willing to play with the. [TS]

  They have you know more colors more styles more a watch faces [TS]

  and I think if you do even more of that in particular the watch races where they kind of like oh if you get this [TS]

  special band you get the special watch face. [TS]

  I guess after the for branding purposes but they probably only designs of these. [TS]

  I don't know I don't anyway I think that's the next area that needs to open up is watch face. [TS]

  Third party watch faces because all this type of customization next people feel more of a connection with this thing [TS]

  like there are so many varieties you can get now in so many colors and so many bands. [TS]

  And I think they should let people have third party watch races well because that is an area like markers like he's not [TS]

  really enthused about making a watch or as happy as he doesn't dance of using apps. But everybody uses the watch face. [TS]

  And if you were a designer I bet you'd be really jazzed about a chance to make your own watch face. Even you know. [TS]

  So much so that even Marco might make one with like a watch [TS]

  and then move out of the ways you can see the little day complication. You know whatever. [TS]

  Like it just seems like a fun thing to do [TS]

  and plate of the strength of the watch right now apps are not the strength of the watch but who knows. [TS]

  With a lot of us to maybe more people will find more apps like a case you found a few I found base of the zero Marcus [TS]

  and zero. [TS]

  If want us to after six months of development can get me a marco to have one app that we use all the time that will be [TS]

  a victory for the platform. No think that's fair or anything else about the watch. Will do you do you guys think so. [TS]

  So obviously the big news the watch today is that they added a ton of bands [TS]

  and new body color so that they added that you know you know you mentioned that of the. The rose gold sport. [TS]

  Also the gold sport right was there that's too. Oh yeah you're right. I believe that's right. I think yes so there's. [TS]

  They just double the number of colors in the sport line for the for the Watch body. Plus they added their meds line. [TS]

  Plus they have like they have like ten new sport band colors it's this massive number of new colors there it's like [TS]

  more than triple It's like triple the number of sport [TS]

  and colors that we have plus there's now if they totally remade the classic buckle. Now it's. [TS]

  It looks like a little bit thicker it's two tone leather on the black. And they also added a brown. [TS]

  Version which is very nice. Least in the picture so far. They basically just added tons of new watch options. [TS]

  Only a few months after the watch was released obviously leading to the holiday season. [TS]

  Do you guys think this is a sign that they are little bit desperate to boost the sales of the watch. [TS]

  No I think they're just hitting their production ramp like it was supply constrained in the beginning. [TS]

  And now they have the capacity and it worked out the manufacturing as they can just are branching out [TS]

  and with any fashion accessory you want to have more variety is like in the beginning for the launch. As just. [TS]

  You have to necessarily keep things somewhat narrow and now they can branch out in all be of more variety [TS]

  and I think it's really just about people who like. [TS]

  When the big rush to get the watches like oh I don't know that's any good. [TS]

  I'm not going to bought I want to fight the crowds now you'll be able to get one of the holidays is coming up. [TS]

  If you are interested in a watch. [TS]

  You know maybe look at the previous models and you didn't want to deal with a rush and. [TS]

  None of them really appealed to you. [TS]

  And now you're casually wander into a store [TS]

  and you should be struck by the fact that oh I didn't like any of those ones that I saw pictures of before [TS]

  but I would like this color with this thing like. [TS]

  It's a it's a good timing for them for the holidays to just have more variety [TS]

  and I don't think it's a desperation thing. [TS]

  Because like the product hasn't changed the same watch it always was all they're doing is giving people more variety [TS]

  and. And I and coincides nicely with Watch us to which you know. [TS]

  Regular people don't know the difference and watch us one and two [TS]

  or whatever like this this watch for this holiday season in this variety. [TS]

  As far as the casual public who has been who had been dismissing the Apple Watch as concerned. [TS]

  This is how the law Blodgett always has been. [TS]

  And they'll take an interest in it and they'll think this is how the watch was from day one [TS]

  but it's not so I think they're just getting a product line that's more appropriate for the holidays. [TS]

  Yeah I think it could be indicative of trouble in paradise [TS]

  but I do agree with John that I think it's just that they're hitting their production. Production ramp. [TS]

  And just getting their feet under them so to speak so I'm not too worried yet. And also the watch just all phone. [TS]

  You can't get one of these unless you have an i Phone. [TS]

  Right [TS]

  and so it's never it's not going to be like oh we gotta worry about watches it's always going to be a subset of i Phone [TS]

  sales [TS]

  and in the beginning it's going to be really small subset so it's not as if Apple was expecting the watch to be a breakout [TS]

  probably that's what I said before the very least to watch we're not going to break out the numbers for you [TS]

  and everything. Because I know like. It's not going to be begin to beginning. [TS]

  It's always going to be until they break free of the i Phone if they ever do. Like I said seven years now or something. [TS]

  But it's something they want to do this. No one has really said this. But in the wake of the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Thing you could kind of consider Apple Watch their new hobby. That's interesting. [TS]

  We don't we have we don't know the numbers you can't say like number was it is or whatever [TS]

  but it looks a lot like a hobby doesn't it's like it's a cool excess [TS]

  or really you can get for the phone which is their meat and potatoes. [TS]

  And you do lots of fun interesting stuff with it and you know. [TS]

  Don't break out the numbers for people and it's not as if there's any sort of platform that lives [TS]

  or dies based on the sales of the watch [TS]

  or anything like it seems hobbyist to me I don't know maybe I'm totally wrong like in son. [TS]

  The people who know the real numbers urban like back solve for them like or if they do [TS]

  or whatever can tell me that they sold our watches that are twenty four hours a lot of all tv's ever sold which is [TS]

  probably true. And the watch. The margins got to be much better than the Apple T.V. So it could be you know. [TS]

  I could be way off on this [TS]

  but it strikes me as because it is a subordinate product because it is basically of the world's fancy as i Phone [TS]

  accessory. And it's still not even seem everyone only weird people had i Phones or had smartphones at all. [TS]

  That's the stage Avelox that now. Like when. When the i Phone was never at that stage. [TS]

  It was one when the first i Phone came out and I was like six hundred dollars or whatever. [TS]

  Like only weird people had i Phones. There was a lot like if you look at the. [TS]

  The little ramp of like how many took him a lot of number of i Phones sold. [TS]

  It started out pretty slow the just like the people who really believed in people wanted it [TS]

  but it seems expensive because there was no. Every other phone didn't look like the i Phone at that point. [TS]

  And smart watches I still think you're in that early phase so I'm willing to give the watch a pretty long time to go [TS]

  through its three G. Three G.S. Four face before. [TS]

  The rest of the world starts to wake up and look at it [TS]

  and they then it will get out of the realm of potentially hobby products for Apple. Yeah. I don't know. [TS]

  I honestly I have a little bit of worry here for the Apple Watch. Only because it does seem like. [TS]

  I can't imagine they were planning all along to launch all these things this fall for. [TS]

  Like all these all these new hardware for ideas so soon after the launch of the first watch. [TS]

  But it just is just color changes like they made a bunch of plastic bands. [TS]

  And now they can make the plastic in different colors. [TS]

  And the like the analyze stuff like that already doing it for the phone they already have the processes probably does [TS]

  it like it's very straightforward stuff. And it just it just seems to me that. [TS]

  Why would you not do this [TS]

  and you know there's a reason not to do it on launch which is you really have to concentrate on a few models [TS]

  and get the kinks worked out or whatever but once you've got all the kinks worked out. [TS]

  You're not designing a new watch the same all watch just color stuff differently. [TS]

  And it's so easy to do and make people happy. [TS]

  And if you have enough manufacturing amatory to make sure you always have the one in the color in the size. [TS]

  The people want. Why would you not do it. [TS]

  The most obvious answer to me is why not wait until version to do some of these things like you know they don't do this. [TS]

  The i Phone the i Phone is sells [TS]

  and way bigger volume is very important the company makes them way more money out of them as much a fashion accessory I [TS]

  think one of the watch who comes out. It will be Rican strain to a similar set of styles and colors again. [TS]

  And then it will do the exact same thing where the the watch to like assuming that [TS]

  or do like it to Sri with the next watch that is different a different shape and size right. [TS]

  Will have a limited set of colors similar limited to the first one. [TS]

  And then will branch out again because I just don't think you can launch a brand new product in this in this variety of [TS]

  colors and sizes and shapes. Finishes and bands and all those stuff. I don't I mean there. [TS]

  There is the there is the possibility so when when Tim Cook on the on the last earnings call. [TS]

  Said that the Apple Watch is selling well. And there was this report. [TS]

  A couple days before that from some survey company that said there was a huge buy computers and then it [TS]

  and then it dropped and then it was not selling well anymore. [TS]

  What he said did not actually contradict that report because what he said was counting them [TS]

  when they ship to customers. Not when they are ordered by customers. And so if what he said what he said. [TS]

  Could have been true a while that report was also true. So this could all still be the case where. [TS]

  What he said you know back then it was selling well the you know. It was selling by like stock. [TS]

  Inventory standards of like when it ships that's when it's charges when it's all the time but the. [TS]

  That's only but the revenue. OK so now leading into the holiday quarter. [TS]

  You know another quarter's Coming up he's going to. You know if it isn't selling well. [TS]

  They're going to have to explain why. [TS]

  Because someone's got you know the people going to look at these numbers are going to figure out in this. [TS]

  This other category. Okkar app this is kind of bad and me hopefully the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Isn't there to help boost it up there. What if this and again. This might be the case. [TS]

  This is this is the cynical take on this right. Or the skeptical take on this. [TS]

  What if all these new bans and everything are not only an attempt to use new watch sales. Earlier than they planned. [TS]

  But also an attempt to get more money sooner out of existing watch owners who are buying additional bands just trying [TS]

  to use the watch quarter numbers for you know in the short term. [TS]

  Just to get them until a future point where they think that the sales will make up for it. [TS]

  When I don't know how many extra bands are going to sell to existing watch owners I feel like it's the same room with [TS]

  the original i Phone your. I Phone came out. Everyone who wanted one got one. [TS]

  Than a bunch of other people just stood back and watch for a while [TS]

  and this has the advantage of the holidays whereas I get the watch came out everyone who wanted to watch got one [TS]

  everyone else has sat back and watch curiously have this whole watch thing. And the holidays come along it's like well. [TS]

  I mean that's the. You know the type thing well by somebody something they wouldn't buy from selves. [TS]

  Someone might have been curious about the watch [TS]

  but they're not going to spend the money they don't know if it's a baby they don't even know if they're going to like [TS]

  when someone will get a form of the gift. That's what the holidays do. That's why holidays big shopping season so. [TS]

  And people who are considering watches or wanted as a gift for themselves are but like. [TS]

  I think it will still be a small thing because I think of how many people how many people own in the entire world ever [TS]

  own the i Phone one super small number this is the i Phone one this is the first watch. [TS]

  Just a different bands and different colors. [TS]

  So I don't expect there to be a huge number of people who have this watch of the products going to be successful we [TS]

  have to look forward to a fourth that aeration of this. And then see. And again. [TS]

  It's always going to be kept by the number of i Phones are you looking at is what is what makes this is such a watch [TS]

  what percentage of i Phone owners have to buy an Apple Watch for it to be a successful product. [TS]

  One percent two percent ten percent. I think now it is much less than one percent. [TS]

  And I think that's just to be expected. [TS]

  So I'm not worried about the Apple Watch I don't think them because wherever they have a lot of special events. [TS]

  Tech wise a manufacturing was like their investment [TS]

  and what they've done so far they can cruise for a few years making progress with a slightly better iterations of his [TS]

  watch without breaking the bank I'm sure they've already made back their money that they invested in developing this [TS]

  product. [TS]

  I don't think they're worried about that I think they're willing to just continue to chase category wherever it leads [TS]

  and it will be fine. [TS]

  Yeah that's fair also one more thing I think one of the reasons I might have been doing this also is that you know. [TS]

  When compared to other smart watch vendors out there. Apple already had I think. [TS]

  Way more options for bands colors and sizes and materials. There anyone else. [TS]

  And now they've really taken a massive lead on that like you know they already had a lead now it's a way wider lead. [TS]

  Where competitively. If you look at the Samsung Galaxy S. Whatever. Versus the L.G. [TS]

  Whatever versus the Motorola two seventy whatever. Then Apple. [TS]

  Like anyone who's actually comparing these have a side which I don't think honestly is a big number [TS]

  but anyone actually compare them side by side would would be blown away by just how many choices they have from Apple [TS]

  side. And it's more likely that they can find some they like an Apple side. [TS]

  And they're staking out the hydra like Apple always want the most profitable section of any business [TS]

  and so the way you do that in anything that's remotely related to fashion is make sure you're the one that seen as the [TS]

  like oh we. We are partnering with this. This sashing company whose name. [TS]

  Regular people can't pronounce it or never heard. Samsung isn't right or like their. [TS]

  Apple is trying to make sure that when all the dust settles. When someone thinks of. What is that fancy. [TS]

  Smart Watch that all the fashion. People are into that the answer to that is Apple. And so they're like. [TS]

  That's why they're doing you know that's why they have the really super expensive gold one that's why they're doing [TS]

  these partnerships with these fashion companies. [TS]

  Regular people don't care but no one's going to buy those who breaks the like but it's all for positioning. [TS]

  So they end up with the most profitable customers they end up with the one with the most cache with the one that is [TS]

  seen as a status symbol. [TS]

  Even after everybody has like the i Phone or on the i Phone was a status symbol excell ever do have an i Phone. [TS]

  Now nobody cares everybody has an i Phone or some phone it's not a big deal. [TS]

  I think what they're doing with the fashion partnerships [TS]

  and stuff is trying to make sure that even after everybody has a smart watch five years now known care is not a big [TS]

  deal may come in cereal boxes that. Through these silly part. [TS]

  The ships where someone sells us travel weather for a thousand dollars because it's got a particular name on it that. [TS]

  That is still seeing in the same way the regular fashion is who cares about the issues or this dress [TS]

  or whatever like fashion. Is always going to be a status symbol and it's not tied to technology is tied to. [TS]

  You know the you know. Exclusivity and who's got buzz and what's in style and Apple's is trying to stay on top of that. [TS]

  Of their. They seem so much more dedicated to it than everyone else is buying smart watches right now. [TS]

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  Federica teaches time has come. The i Pad Pro. I believe I heard screaming from the mountain tops of Italy. [TS]

  When this was finally announced. I am really intrigued by it. There is no damn way. [TS]

  I'm going to carry around a thirteen inch i Pad as someone who actually prefers an i Pad mini. [TS]

  I just don't see myself wanting a thirteen inch i Pad. That being said. [TS]

  It is intriguing if for no other reason then it's a remakes of all the things that came before it. [TS]

  It's a remakes of paper. The paper app it's a remake of remakes of the paper pencil and it's a remakes of the surface. [TS]

  But we have in the show notes they and I next so I assume John you'd like to start by talking about that really. [TS]

  That's what we're talking about first. I just threw it in there like it's our way into talking about the night. [TS]

  And it's just that Apple continues to rev its C.P.U. Lines in in ways that were only. [TS]

  We were accustomed to on the desktop and laptop. Years ago and now. [TS]

  The low power tablet and phone chips are falling the same trajectory [TS]

  and I think we're a lot of regular people are wondering like. Why is the i Phone. And i Pad C.P.U. [TS]

  Like getting twice as fast every year. But my mac book C.P.U. Does not get twice as fast there. [TS]

  And the answer is that the. I Phone the i Pad He views are playing catch up. [TS]

  They start out way way WAY slower than your math book. And they're catching up to it. [TS]

  Once they do catch up with it they will not be doubling anymore. Like there's no magic. Here. [TS]

  There's a little a potentially a little bit of a vanity of Apple controlling all the stuff now something we get there [TS]

  on another show. Related to that they will talk about but that's why they're doubling. But anyway. [TS]

  Apple continues to put out the grass like look how much faster are C.B. Use in G.P. [TS]

  Use have gotten in our i Pad and it is impressive like they're the G.P.U... [TS]

  They are better and you know like twenty two X. C.P.U. Increase and three sixty X. G.P.U. Speed. [TS]

  They start out so darn slow. [TS]

  Like that's the magic of that graph like hell because if you don't like what the axes are labeled look how slow was. [TS]

  Yes So anyway. They're still getting faster. [TS]

  The interesting thing that Apple didn't compare the i Pad Pro to and didn't compare the A nine X. [TS]

  Two at all with any of its own laptops ago. [TS]

  This point I feel like this thing has to be faster than at least some laptops that Apple sells bunch you think like in [TS]

  both C.P.U. and G.P.U. [TS]

  or Some kind of synthetic benchmark that you come up with that this thing is going to be faster than like an eleven [TS]

  and share or something. Well and also I mean compare it to its most obvious alternative the math book one. [TS]

  I mean I would guess it has to be faster than the math book want certain that might be a horse race depending on what [TS]

  you're testing maybe an injury B.S.P. I don't know but anyway. That aspect of it. [TS]

  Certainly fulfill the pro aspartame that it was pretty darn fast anyway and they know it accident [TS]

  and I next like this is. This is a worthy processor I think for the i Pad Pro. [TS]

  Is it the first one that would have been powerful off because here is a two things about this. [TS]

  They're pushing so many more pixels remember what happened [TS]

  when we went first one reading on the i Pad It was a problem. [TS]

  On this thing I mean it's already read as just a bigger screen and they're pushing more pixels [TS]

  and they keep talking about oh we can have this many four K. Video screen. [TS]

  Stream stuff like that you have to have a pretty beefy G.P.U. [TS]

  In there just to do basic things with this many pixels look at what happened with the i Phone six Plus where it seems [TS]

  like it was a little bit under powered. [TS]

  And they had like the weird double sized screen that they shrink down to fit in the number of pixels [TS]

  and stuff I'm hoping they have voided all those compromises with this thing just because they have so much more room to [TS]

  do everything in here so the C.P.U. G.P.U. Part. Definitely seems pro to me. [TS]

  Yeah I mean there's a lot about this to me this is a very confusing product honestly and. [TS]

  It's probably just because it's not for me. I really don't think this is for me. And I don't. [TS]

  I honestly I'm not sure I don't know about who it is for [TS]

  but I'm sure I'm sure a lot people will be very happy about it. It's just not you know. Not me in the people I know. [TS]

  If you can permit me to talk about the physical parts for a minute. It's massive. And it's heavy. [TS]

  It weighs more than the i Pad want. [TS]

  And it's larger than the macro going you mean sorry no no no I mean the i Pad want it weighs less than that [TS]

  but one with the keyboard thing. Maybe I didn't look at that. So LS also it's a big. [TS]

  It's a bigger screen and ethical and it is a twelve point nine epic want to take this twelve. [TS]

  That's what I'm getting at like this is. [TS]

  This is not like this is a going international terror that exactly what makes it and I have a pro it's not like. [TS]

  Well I would bring a lot but I want something smaller saw about the i Pad price like Tim said on the state. [TS]

  I think is I went with like he realises for the millionth time. [TS]

  As I've said on past those as well that the i Pad is the future of computing as far as Apple's concerned they're just [TS]

  pressured by their inability to make it happen. But they really believe that that this. [TS]

  This kind of platform is the future of computing not a. [TS]

  Not a continuous slow steady evolution of playing all desktop computers. [TS]

  And they haven't proved that any to the market or to the customers. But finally they're making forward progress again. [TS]

  After many many years are just making differently sized but usually boring very large phones. [TS]

  So they keep the keyboard the stylus that we get to with it's not a stylus It's a pencil. And all the other things. [TS]

  Shows the family moving in that direction. Again. Are they right I don't know. [TS]

  But you have to you have to see this thing through like if you if you really believe that this is the way that most [TS]

  people will be doing most of the things they do with computers in the future than you have to make products that prove [TS]

  it and so this is the first attempt this. [TS]

  You know as you talk about a couple weeks ago I think this is going to face a lot of the same challenges. [TS]

  It is going to be tough because where i Pads have have been strong before things like. [TS]

  You know casual reading in bed or. You know couch used in public that for a lot of those things. [TS]

  This is actually going to be uncomfortably large and heavy now for a lot of people. [TS]

  It's actually taking a step backwards in some of those areas. [TS]

  In order to achieve the big screen and everything else and. [TS]

  I don't you know I don't think they could have done a lot better with that I think this is just the physical realities [TS]

  of a device that has a screen as large. So there's going to be some challenges there. [TS]

  But also you know ergonomically obviously this is made to be used with the keyboard. Probably frequently. I would say. [TS]

  I don't know about that because because it has the didn't they emphasize the full size onscreen keyboard as well. [TS]

  Well they get to give it a couple seconds but I know also the. [TS]

  That's appease a fall the risk of this week with someone saying that I think it was a teacher saying the students [TS]

  prefer the onscreen keyboard. Because digital He boards don't have the same sort of. [TS]

  I think you're saying they don't have the same sort of autocomplete type stuff whatever I like I think a generation of [TS]

  people who grew up tapping on glass to type. It may not be that crazy of they would prefer the onscreen keyboard this. [TS]

  You're getting to know that like the physical things you're talking about the room will talk about as an amber like. [TS]

  Whether I'm going to buy I want to whatever. [TS]

  Even though I've been so gung ho for that I've had for I think this is a great product and less going to be you know. [TS]

  Artists and other people who really need a big screen and want the pencil in everything or are an app. [TS]

  People write applications for those people getting their first real shot to sell perhaps to pro people using pro [TS]

  hardware. It's still kind of two things in one here. Two things are. [TS]

  First make a bigger i Pad So people don't feel so constrained give it you know for the people who want to big screen to [TS]

  do things you need more pixels in a more detail. And with a position pointing device. And second. Let the i Pad. [TS]

  Do more complicated things with the keyboard with a split screen or whatever and. [TS]

  In this product they're tied together. It's a gargantuan. It's way too big for most people. [TS]

  It's not going to well because it's just too darn big like Margaret said. But all the features that are in this. [TS]

  If you put them on. The i Pad air to size device. Equally valuable to people who like that size device. [TS]

  And I think you can shrink even all of them down maybe to the many of you make it a little bit bigger except for maybe [TS]

  the keyboard like I feel like everything that is staked out by this product all the functionality. [TS]

  Even a little side port thing. And all the oh S. Features and all the software that going to be written to it. [TS]

  That is all valuable its size is less than gargantuan. [TS]

  Unfortunately this first product or fortunately for the orange that. This is gargantuan. [TS]

  Plus all the fancy features and I think every single one of the saints if you just can [TS]

  and should trickle down to the extent possible out by the sizes I think that will eventually solve most of the problems [TS]

  that you're talking about Marco because I agree with you. The thing is really big. [TS]

  I want to i Pad Pro I want this product. I don't know if it's too big for me. [TS]

  I don't know but I guess I got this I would like then I need a smaller i Pad for my other I think you know me [TS]

  and the weight I mean I'm using I've had three now which is massive anyway but I'm going to try to out [TS]

  but you have this is the right move I think is is staking out the high end it's like of Anyways going to proceed to go [TS]

  pro pro pro. Big big big pencil thing fine arts. Keyboard people on the go. Doing typing. [TS]

  Go to the Microsoft service thing this is. This is huge this is like. [TS]

  You know is clearly pushing in the high end type of product. [TS]

  But I really really hope they don't year after year rev the i Pad Pro [TS]

  and keep all these features of the big one because I want all these and all the i Pads. You know. [TS]

  To the extent possible. Yeah I agree. [TS]

  You know I was thinking that I would really kind of like to have a keyboard cover for my i Pad mini. [TS]

  Which kind of disgusted maybe trust me you don't you know I kind of disgust me because I realize that's a terrible idea [TS]

  but that was my gut reaction was me and I'll be kind of convenient for like [TS]

  when I'm traveling because occasionally I'll travel and not want to bring a fifteen inch MacBook Pro [TS]

  but want something that. That I can type on to like write e-mails or something like that. [TS]

  And so occasionally when I travel all bring my many. And my apple wireless keyboard which. [TS]

  If I really think that's true is kind of think that's true is kind of ridiculous [TS]

  but that's occasionally what happens and so I agree with you John that having something. [TS]

  Having a lot of these features for even the smaller devices. I think that's fairly compelling. [TS]

  It or even like the split screen stuff which there is confining possibly for C.P. Reasons. [TS]

  Possibly for RAM reasons like just everything about the you know it still to gigs of ram. [TS]

  I think that but I don't know if that's been a determined but anyway. [TS]

  The fact that you should just be the heir to that two gigs of ram. [TS]

  And that that that extra RAM really makes the existing boring pre-i us nine I like six grand so much better to switch [TS]

  to crap isn't all gone when you switch applications like those type of hardware based compromises. [TS]

  We're going to leave on the high end first. They're going to you know this. C.P.U. and G.P.U. [TS]

  Can be faster and hotter and bigger and I could put a huge battery [TS]

  and here in this can have a lot of them of the most pixels and it can handle the. [TS]

  Whatever they're doing for the pencil stuff [TS]

  and it like all those things should trickle down as Eventually the i Pad to i Pad air to class she can also handle all [TS]

  of that and eventually the mini class machine can handle [TS]

  and maybe many will get a little bigger maybe the keyboard will be bigger than the device because you can have a [TS]

  keyboard that small because it's insane. And I think the most exciting thing about it is. [TS]

  Well I would say the most exciting thing is that ition of a rotation lock button [TS]

  but I don't think that's their fact that Apple actually went in the opposite direction for once instead of slowly [TS]

  removing every possible button from a device. They added a new thing. [TS]

  They added It's not really a port kind of [TS]

  but they added three little buttons on the bottom that the new connector on it's like that is a. [TS]

  You know that's a pro feature. You can to connect. Other stuff to the thing with the thing that you know. [TS]

  Baby steps here right that didn't add U.S.B. Ports right to know as the card slot. [TS]

  But if this is the future of computing. They have to eventually figure out. [TS]

  In what ways are we going to allow this to be expanded in hardware accessorize if you let it be expanded everywhere [TS]

  that a P.C. Be it can be expanded you just read repeating the centers of the past and just recreating the P.C. [TS]

  In a different form. And I don't think Avalon's to do that so they're being cautious but I like seeing them. [TS]

  Move in that direction I like this not just being a Bluetooth accessory right. Why is that why is it not Bluetooth. [TS]

  Because the Bluetooth excess risk raptor the boots a thing as they have batteries [TS]

  and you've got Bluetooth like you know it's not like this. But not to worry about that it's powered by the thing. [TS]

  We have a giant battery in there you know we don't we can make the cover itself then are also looking like a hunchback [TS]

  when you close it is like that kind of one and then kind of gross. Anyway. Generation one product I you know. [TS]

  But I am excited I was there was most exciting part of the Reveal thing was [TS]

  and they showed three little dots on the side and like that to Newport. You know. [TS]

  That's that insured issue like which is this point I guess I just wasn't enough room along the edge of the device that [TS]

  they needed room for those giant antechambers around the four speakers. [TS]

  One of the big things about this I think besides. You know the size obviously I'll keep harping on forever. [TS]

  The price is interesting you know if you look at it [TS]

  when you look at how this is positioned how other i Pads were position before [TS]

  and now how does addition against their other laptops. This is. This is really a laptop replacement. [TS]

  You know not a law. Some people obviously you know. Idiots like me will buy them and you know use them as like toys. [TS]

  That also have every other kind of device but I really think like you know. [TS]

  Most people are not going to be spending a thousand dollars on a tablet. [TS]

  That is not going to replace a laptop you know that for to be this big. And this expensive. [TS]

  It has to replace laptops for most of his customers I would say. [TS]

  And maybe that proves to be wrong who knows but that's probably how it's going to go. [TS]

  I would also expect a much more laptop like replacement cycle although I think we're seeing that in most i Pads [TS]

  actually. So the big thing to me is software wise. Are there are a lot of people. [TS]

  I know I know this is not going to be all. But are there a lot of people over for whom this can replace a laptop. [TS]

  Better than any other i Pad you know obviously some people get by with the other i Pad just fine. [TS]

  The people who couldn't. How many of them will this be good enough for where the other i Pads weren't. [TS]

  I'm thinking of the replacing a desktop for the first customers. [TS]

  Because it's going to I'm thinking again of the pencil jammer talker that much but like that the type. [TS]

  What's the first the chicken egg things you need to hire before you make the software [TS]

  but what is the easiest market for. [TS]

  If you're going to sell an expensive application that cost a lot of money to develop [TS]

  and you're not going to sell a lot of copies but you're going to sell them for a lot of money like. And these days. [TS]

  You know ninety nine dollars. It's an application. [TS]

  It's and a designer art application that let somebody use a thing and the pencil. [TS]

  Assuming it works as advertised and it's all impressive and great [TS]

  and everything to do their main function like their actual work not on the go. [TS]

  But at their desk at their job like this is a little of a miniature stinted and I know most people would say. [TS]

  Like for example someone who's using the service to do that today. [TS]

  That's great and all but if it doesn't run Photoshop it's pointless to me. [TS]

  Because what am I going to use that stylus for and if you use my service I'm going to run Photoshop [TS]

  and I'm gonna get my work done is that's when I need to get my work done so Apple does have a huge software gap here [TS]

  but. The history of the i Pad leading up to this has been. [TS]

  If Apple doesn't make for a harbor no one's going to make pro sophomore [TS]

  and everyone's waiting for someone to go over so I go in first. [TS]

  And I think Apple is desperately hoping that somebody probably not Adobe is going to try to be the Photoshop of the i [TS]

  Pad Pro [TS]

  and get people to use this thing for that as their actual computer at their desk at their work as like a desktop replacement. [TS]

  And you can also read email. [TS]

  And check Twitter and have a little youtube video playing in the corner and listen to music. [TS]

  And also be scribbling away with your hundred dollar. Johnny I have blessed. Pure white Apple pencil. [TS]

  That I think is the vision for this product is not a reality. [TS]

  We're going to be by this thing there's no have location you can buy to do that stuff [TS]

  but you know Apple wants there to be in the short Autocad knowledge of things so I'm I'm hopeful. [TS]

  But I and I see where this product can go. But I spect like market I spike knowledge of people to buy this. [TS]

  I say people to buy it and be bewildered by it. And I just hope that everything in this product embodies. [TS]

  More power more RAM more ports. Slowly spreads to the rest of the i Pad line because that will finally. [TS]

  That will finally differentiate what is the difference tree and i Pad and i Phone as an i Pad just a big i Phone. [TS]

  This is not a big i Phone This is like the farthest thing from a big i Phone ever. [TS]

  So good US Apple for doing this and I hope the next few years is as encouraging as. As announcement is to me and to T.J. [TS]

  Maybe five other people are going to so what do we think about this. This pencil. I do feel bad for the folks said. [TS]

  What is it fifty three. Yeah. That. [TS]

  There's been a lot of Sherlock in going on in that direction but well look [TS]

  when you choose a really generic name for your product like you know. You run the risk like this. Oh absolutely. [TS]

  But I was. [TS]

  I was expecting to be very blah say about the pencil [TS]

  and again it doesn't really speak to me because I don't do the sorts of things that that would require a stylist arable [TS]

  artist I can imagine what else I would need it for however. [TS]

  I thought it was a very clever piece of hardware I like that you can tilt it to get like a kind of side of a pencil [TS]

  stroke which I guess it just occurred to me that's what they called a pencil not a pen or anything like that [TS]

  but I like to do that to please don't email this sort of. But. But I like you can do that. [TS]

  Obviously the pressure sensitivity I think we all saw that coming. It's a very clever piece of kit. [TS]

  But I don't know it's. [TS]

  I wish there was something that spoke to me [TS]

  but there's nothing that speaks to me yet I think it will be fun for here's the here's where it helps. [TS]

  If you're not someone who is a designer or a fine artist or someone or just noodle around and sketches [TS]

  and by the way she was given as for tough biggest So love it to do her Lord Sacks things with. [TS]

  Well so far before this event. [TS]

  I was asking her you know I was she was she was interested in a larger i Pad for video and game use. [TS]

  And once she saw the event which we watched event you gather. She now says she's no longer interested it's too big. [TS]

  Yeah buts and the style a stylus is a perfect example of something that can fit perfectly well and i Pad Air [TS]

  or many even like no problem on a mini because I think doesn't fit inside the i Pad It's just an accessory it's just [TS]

  that. All those things don't have the screen for it so given the year after that stuff's. [TS]

  This is one of those things like. [TS]

  I have no opinion on the stylus because I have never been a paper and pencil or paper and pen person for anything. [TS]

  I'm not a graphic artist at all in any sense. I'm not a note taker. [TS]

  But I was getting it for the old fogies thing like setting aside all the people this is actually aimed at the other [TS]

  kind of persons can appeal to we all know people like this are like. [TS]

  Usually older people who are actually more comfortable taking notes on their own handwriting which seems you know. [TS]

  Totally ridiculous to those of us who grew up being excited by the fact that we can press a key on a keyboard in a [TS]

  perfect letter A appears. And we don't have to be subject to our own handwriting right. [TS]

  Like that's that is the dream of these people like you know what I would rather do my shopping list in my own little [TS]

  scrawl. And they just want to know that location lets them right things and they want to do with their little pen. [TS]

  I mean we've all seen people use like the galaxy note [TS]

  and some people using very large phones with a saw some people just like my my own mother has used. [TS]

  I've seen her do it. And i Pod Touch the small one where the stylus. Oh yeah. [TS]

  I've seen some family members use styli their phones because they just prefer it. I think it's insane. [TS]

  But that's what they prefer and so they're not going to buy a thousand dollar i Pad [TS]

  or whatever again it's a trickle down thing years. Eventuality. When this stuff gets spread down the product line. [TS]

  You know. Well they ever sell an apple pencil for the i Phone. [TS]

  Probably not but if they did my mother would use it today. [TS]

  Yeah I mean there is no question I think there's a lot of people who want to use us as and I'm not one of them. [TS]

  However you know I disagree John that no taking is mostly. [TS]

  Mostly or only for old people I think there's there's a lot of kinds of note taking kind of wish you well know. [TS]

  I think there's a lot of kind of know taking for which I would prefer ape. A pen. To to a keyboard and mouse. [TS]

  You know if you. If you're trying to dictate what somebody is saying. Then yeah. Keyboard is the is the way to go. [TS]

  But for so many other kinds of note taking brainstorming anything. Design like this so many things like. [TS]

  That's like wire framing like you I've obviously it's better. [TS]

  Right but really you would actually write down text with it. Well it depends like like. [TS]

  When I am my limited time trying to take notes as a as the terrible student that I was in college. [TS]

  I never even tried in high school in college the terrible time I tried. Like math. [TS]

  I would definitely take math No it's using a pet not a keyboard. You know. [TS]

  And I could I thought the typing you got to do like practically drawing right sort of. [TS]

  And there's even computer science I think I would probably like. There are so many like. [TS]

  No taking to me is different from just transcribing what somebody is saying you know that's so you do not know taking [TS]

  is not. Not typing but like you like to see people. [TS]

  When they have conference talks don't try to like summarize the conference talk as it's going to draw a little picture [TS]

  as and put words in the you know. It's a multimedia thing. [TS]

  Like you know I see what you're getting out of though I think you probably have better handwriting [TS]

  and idea because I feel like when Texas involved it all like I need to eat up Martha feature. [TS]

  I needed to turn my scrawl into actual readable text so I never have to see my handwriting again. [TS]

  And I don't think we did they mention any and regular and him any recognition at all I don't think they did they did [TS]

  and it's in no US ten right now. If you. [TS]

  If you hook up a tablet you can go use it and it is still basically eat up Martha caliber. So you know baby steps like. [TS]

  This is not what this is aimed at it wasn't even mentioned I probably not even in there [TS]

  but many years from now kind of like speech attacks and text to speech eventually. [TS]

  It just gets good enough that it's like why not at every turn around recognition is not at that stage yet [TS]

  but it will be eventually [TS]

  and I think they showed it in the Microsoft thing like people who are familiar with the Newton are like oh sod draw a [TS]

  rough shape in a makes a nice ship for me where have I seen that before. Like that is. [TS]

  This is not a new technology but it still feels like magic to me [TS]

  when he draws a little scrawl of an arrow in the office application of becomes the little thing it draws a circles [TS]

  and become circles. [TS]

  It's kind of the bad kind of magic in the can never tell really what it's going to do and have time doesn't work. But. [TS]

  It's like a. [TS]

  That's a glimpse of the magic future that someday if that worked as reliable as speech attacks us now I mean [TS]

  when I was a kid. [TS]

  I could never imagine that speech Texas be so boring that we just like Did anyone see Vo get Apple T.V. [TS]

  In a little bit like that the Apple T.V. Series demo and like. [TS]

  There's no way it's going to understand my voice like that we will use Siri. Like it's like great. [TS]

  But it is complete magic by that by the stand just like you know. [TS]

  A kid of the eighty's like winter like imagine if just like every device with any amount of computing power. [TS]

  Like you can talk to it your watch for crying out loud. [TS]

  You can talk to it and it will do a passable job of figure out what you said and putting it in text that is amazing [TS]

  and that is the magic of like the cost of that feature going down to zero. [TS]

  Handwriting recognition should also get to the stage eventuality. [TS]

  People who use Microsoft products may say it's already there because they have this thing where it will let you write [TS]

  in your own little chicken scratch handwriting. [TS]

  But under the covers translated into text [TS]

  but leave your chicken scratch there so that it knows what you wrote so you can full tech surge what like it's already [TS]

  happening on the Microsoft side. [TS]

  I feel like that is flakier then speech or text is an MO spot from these days [TS]

  but it's close I think we're at the cusp so again maybe three revisions from now. [TS]

  The new version of the note that location in the suddenly caught I was I think what the new name is going to be in i OS [TS]

  version. Thirteen or fourteen is like and the new words in the note that location. Lets you write with the. [TS]

  The apple many pencil. [TS]

  And it will also do full text search and they'll do a demo of it and it will be like Microsoft [TS]

  or that five years ago what are you doing Apple but everyone will love it because it will be all white. [TS]

  So that's another. Another thing to quickly point out here. [TS]

  You know normally the people who are not Apple fans people who are really fans of other platforms whether it's Windows [TS]

  or Android or both. Let's face it nobody has legs anymore. Usually every Apple event. [TS]

  There's like a couple of things where those people get really mad about because Apple did something that you know they [TS]

  copied someone else or they did something that a people of done before. This. [TS]

  Maybe this is kids are so many things announced here but this event. [TS]

  Seems like there was a higher than normal percentage of those of those things that. But. [TS]

  But all of them the Newton did first like you know sure Microsoft service did it first right. [TS]

  But who did it first or you know [TS]

  and even the new owners like well then what about the grid pad like you just keep going back [TS]

  and Tyrone's on these things before. [TS]

  We don't care who did it we care who did best [TS]

  or did it in a way that was convincing to people we don't know it is going to be convincing like people who use a [TS]

  service as we've heard from them. Love their service but they're not selling a lot of them. [TS]

  I don't think they're going to sell a lot of these pros either but I think. [TS]

  Because Apple does sell a ton of violence devices. [TS]

  And people do want to use a pencil like thing with I was devices that Apple has the potential to sell more of these [TS]

  silly. Hundred dollars price goes down pencil things and the next five years. Than Microsoft us. [TS]

  You know I agree with you Marco that a lot of this felt like everything is a remakes [TS]

  and to build on what John just said we should probably talk about pricing and then move on to some of the stuff Makino. [TS]

  Starting at eight hundred dollars for thirty two gigs. Yeah. Thirty two gigs. [TS]

  Nine hundred fifty four hundred twenty eight interesting Lee. The only option for Y. [TS]

  Five plus Cellular is the one thousand eight hundred dollar. One hundred twenty eight gig. I Pad. [TS]

  I thought that somewhat surprising because for all the other i Pads. [TS]

  You can get so you later on any size you want but for this if you want cellular you're going whole hog [TS]

  and that's the end of the meeting I think. I think my i Pad three was close to thousand dollars like all the and. [TS]

  So like I'm looking at these prices maybe I'm crazy but I'm looking these prices and thinking. [TS]

  You know what for a thirteen inch staying with for you. Thirteen inch. I was device with four gigs of ram. [TS]

  That's not quite that doesn't seem crazy to me like I feel like I'm getting my money's worth. [TS]

  I'm getting a lot of pixels are getting a lot of power I'm getting new features of the other devices don't have [TS]

  and it's quote unquote only a thousand dollars. [TS]

  That start I would rather have this than I have and i Pad and MacBook Air of an inch. I don't know about you guys. [TS]

  Yeah I mean it depends I mean it's you know like Price wise it is expensive compared mean you're right like if you [TS]

  decked out [TS]

  and I have had before if you if you got the max config before of the full size i Pad It was always nine twenty nine. [TS]

  But the fact is over time. [TS]

  I think the average selling price of i Pads I think has gone down I think we had even have numbers for that. [TS]

  Oh yeah that they've been dropping the price but like I said I get people offered you someone came to your house [TS]

  and said. [TS]

  I will either give you a new decked out of Lebanon share our new decked out i Pad Pro I know you don't want to one of [TS]

  these devices but which one did you going to get it for free. Pick one of them. [TS]

  Wouldn't you all pick the i Pad Pro just because it's the most it's more interesting. Yeah. [TS]

  Probably but but but we're not normal I don't know I mean it's certainly cooler. It's certainly and first. [TS]

  It's certainly more specialized that's the problem I mentioned last last episode the one before. [TS]

  How I was I was kind of disappointed that a lot of Apple's products keep getting more specialized and that. [TS]

  It used to answer the question of who is this for. For most of their products and the like you know five years ago. [TS]

  The answer so that we're very broad. [TS]

  Where as you could you almost everybody could use almost any of their of their computers for almost any purpose [TS]

  and it would work pretty well you know like they were the definitions for more progress now I think we're seeing a lot [TS]

  more. Specialization from Apple products and by nature that is exclusionary It's not like. [TS]

  This is it's not it's not exclusionary though it is it is making more different products [TS]

  or more different people instead of saying we make three computers [TS]

  and the entire world is going to pick one of our three computers I like some people don't even want to computers. [TS]

  Some people on a phone some people on a small phone so they want to big boned some people on a tablet so they want to [TS]

  small tablets and we want to big that was a lot of time. All the stylist. [TS]

  So each individual product is more narrowly focused you're right. [TS]

  But I think they're covering more of the spectrum this is just you know it's the whole as the cost of compute drops to [TS]

  zero like that becomes less of a factor and just like. What are the needs of the customers and. [TS]

  How can we need them with lots of different products. [TS]

  Nobody needs all these products at the same thing with the big phones. [TS]

  Some people just wanted a big phone some people have a big phone like you know what I don't need a P.C. or Laptop. [TS]

  Everything I do is fine I'm a big phone I do all my web browsing out all my buying it all my things I watch my Netflix [TS]

  on it. I don't need a computer anymore. [TS]

  Is that mean that you know that phone is for fewer people than the laptop on the end of because you just told everyone. [TS]

  a P.C. and It was this just general purpose thing you can do everything on a P.C. That will you know. [TS]

  Suit everyone's needs that some people would rather just have a really big honkin phone. [TS]

  And so I think this is this diversification is natural. [TS]

  Like are you uncomfortable because you feel like any individual product now has a narrow range of people that it [TS]

  appeals to when you still would rather than make a small under products that appeal to a wider range of people. [TS]

  Well OK So limit. Stepping back I think. I agree with you you're right. This is not exclusionary. So you're right. [TS]

  You know having more products that covers more of the market. That's that's a good thing. You know for inclusion. [TS]

  However. I have to worry here number one. [TS]

  I do worry that Apple is very much a fan of pushing things forward and killing old things [TS]

  or ending support for old things. And so if I see them launching major products. [TS]

  In a direction that is really at odds with my own needs. I get worried from from that point of view that the things. [TS]

  Serve my needs are going to be ended at some point if you're so anyway. Besides that though. I do think there is a. [TS]

  I think they have a severe problem right now. Of that their product lines are just really big. [TS]

  There are so many different models of everything there's so many little little [TS]

  and big variations that you can order with any product line they had it there are so many product lines now. [TS]

  So this has a number of challenges the one of them obviously is that they are stretching their resources really thin a [TS]

  lot of areas especially things like engineering and quality. They stress you things very very thin. There. [TS]

  They don't have as big of a staff. As everyone would assume a company of that financial resource would have. [TS]

  And they really I mean it seems like they're there they're like waging a war on all fronts. [TS]

  With with relatively small resources so I'm a little worried about that and are getting kind of smart with the sharing. [TS]

  Because it's kind of like you know the restaurant where they realize everything they serve as a combination of greedy [TS]

  and it's right there you know they have twenty seven dishes you like wait a second. [TS]

  There's a just reading a dozen greeting be able to Grady and see different combinations. [TS]

  I think that doing pretty good job of sharing because I mean for a long time they did too much sharing with the i Pad [TS]

  really was just so i OS and its device and it's a bigger screen but like be a Caro S. [TS]

  Darwin the kernel being shared across all their stuff and then up the stack. Objective C. Swift. [TS]

  The fact that they're you know the MCAS a little bit of the odd man out at these times with everything else kind of [TS]

  like and i O. S. Variant and although they're trying to put a brave face on like you know. T.V. O.-S. [TS]

  Watch us in the inevitable. Lowercase Macko S which will make me sad that they're giving it to her names but the. [TS]

  That's that's basically the same I was like it is. They have. [TS]

  They've done a pretty good job of having a core technology stack [TS]

  and a core of manufacturing stack we make solid aluminum backed machined things with lithium ion batteries [TS]

  and screens on the front and can't like how many. It's like wait a second. [TS]

  All these devices are just different combinations of the same things in different sizes. [TS]

  And even the Macs are kind of you know the Macs are the first ones to be big scenes emailed out blocks of aluminum with [TS]

  lithium ion batteries in the keyboards in the dome switches or in the like in the same keyboard covers [TS]

  and the same keyboard with on all the laptops in that same keyboard on a desktop Maxon like I think they're being like. [TS]

  I think it's how they can get away with as a being the biggest company the world and having a million Dylan dollars. [TS]

  Right and be being smart about. Like sort of working on. [TS]

  Unlike all their services but they don't seem to work in every structure. [TS]

  They work in infrastructure of like can we get really good at machining aluminum and polishing and finishing it. [TS]

  If we can do that every read during the watch do it on the desktop Stuart on on the tablets do it on the phone through [TS]

  on the big phone small like just everywhere right. And little cameras and L.C.D. [TS]

  Screen technology every time they try to get good at something like that. [TS]

  It pays dividends across the entire product line so I think hardware wise. [TS]

  They're doing well there software wise you have a point with like the sort of rushing out to get to a platform all the [TS]

  engineers run over here. [TS]

  And construct and that everything else languishes and gets little fidgety [TS]

  or whatever so I'm hoping Al Capp is a return to form. [TS]

  And I hope they learned their lesson to try to rein things back in T.V.'s had a long time to get super crappy without [TS]

  people paying attention to it I'm hoping this is the time when it's like the stored up. [TS]

  You know sort of potential energy from all those years when Apple T.V. A crappy and crappier. [TS]

  Now is going to come but it could also be that your rights of the overextend themselves in the new Apple T.V. [TS]

  Is super flaky and buggy. And it's like what we had all this time for this cell. [TS]

  None of us have is that I said we can't tell but I think some of your fears are founded but [TS]

  when I look at their hardware. Product Design. [TS]

  I'm amazed at how much bang they get for their buck in figuring out these few core things and. [TS]

  Combining the small set of ingredients to make a fairly large variety of products that I that I think has the potential [TS]

  to appeal to more people. Yeah I mean I guess. You can look at it. You know. [TS]

  Similarly to like Google is so good at large engineering projects especially things involving big data [TS]

  and artificial intelligence type things that like. [TS]

  You know Google seems to have incredibly wide band with them through put of engineering resources [TS]

  and so they they can solve problems better than almost anybody else. But that are solvable by tons of engineering work. [TS]

  Whereas Apple. It seems like you know. Apple's core competency is in making this the. [TS]

  You know the hardware the it as it just like all these women in the glass things like Apple can solve. [TS]

  You know challenges in the market and can be more competitive. By throwing massive amounts of this kind of hardware. [TS]

  So Apple actually. And also like of the the O.-S. [TS]

  Dontcha think like the frameworks they're pretty good at that like making sure their software is responsive make sure [TS]

  their frameworks are performant. [TS]

  Trying to share framers across like a B Foundation things across Iowa us in the mac in those same things around the [TS]

  fallen on the watch like. That is also a good and clever use of resources. [TS]

  Once you get to the software you could say oh yeah but their actual obligations crappier. [TS]

  Yeah but the people writing code against those frameworks are doing a bad job [TS]

  but I think in general I can compare to Google Google took a long time to get Android. [TS]

  Sort of up to snuff for Apple started out in terms of prioritizing responsiveness of the U.I. [TS]

  and Making it look nice and. And having consistent and understandable. [TS]

  Interface paradigm and all the stuff so Apple strengths in that area too is just sort of towards the edges [TS]

  when you get into OK you've got good hardware. You've got a pretty good platform. [TS]

  Near You know language and ID and everything seems pretty solid. [TS]

  Your frameworks look OK except for the first year one of them comes out then all the frame with a crappy for the second [TS]

  year they're all good. But then what are you writing with what applications the right on top of it. [TS]

  And then you're like Well Apple's apps are going to crappy and don't get any better. [TS]

  And third party apps are know how to do interesting things and you get into good points in that realm [TS]

  but I think Apple strengths are pretty broad. Definitely in hardware. [TS]

  I think definitely in a western kind of an frameworks [TS]

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  Fracture Me dot com Thanks a lot to fracture long term sponsors of our show. Right so the Apple T.V... [TS]

  Is new and it's called Apple T.V. It's called the new Apple T.V. It's like an i Pad three move it's. [TS]

  This is just the new one and then you know next year they will they will wreck on this one the Apple T.V. [TS]

  For in the make a new new Apple T.V. They were always it's called Apple T.V. Right. Like they were. The number of yeah. [TS]

  We knew we knew the numbers internally but there was never in the branding a thing. [TS]

  Well it never mattered before you know like the inner now that it's an app platform. [TS]

  It will start to matter you know like I think. Now the specs will matter more people will know the specs more. [TS]

  They will advertise the specs more and. When new generations come out. [TS]

  They will push what is new about them and they will give them I think you know numbered names of some kind. [TS]

  You know will say. So this thing has an eight. [TS]

  It has as far as you know to get to ram thirty two or sixty four gig storage. [TS]

  And it has this new fancy remote that has like a little mini touch pad on it and is also we know all in one. [TS]

  And we just complain for a second about. No no give it a threat. Yeah absolutely. [TS]

  Yeah what year is this like it's so tall. There's so much room in there. Ten one hundred. [TS]

  Because then you're like oh I got to make sure I don't post it up to you know a hub [TS]

  or switch the downgrade everything I know video is never going to be a hundred megabits Anyways the principal things [TS]

  like they did the whole alphabet soup of wife by [TS]

  and they gave it reasonable storage is no sixteen gig model thought starts at thirty two unlike some other products we [TS]

  might mention later. You know. To use a ram looks great ten one hundred. Is there anything like I have. [TS]

  I hope like people stop supporting ten one hundred so I will be forced anyway. Fine. Right. It's better. That's good. [TS]

  Yeah. Anyway. So yeah. The remote I think we can talk a lot about this remote. First of all. Upsides. [TS]

  I am very happy to see. With R.F. Instead of I R C don't need line of sight. [TS]

  You don't need to keep the box out of make sure the I.R. Gets there. Finally as they say exactly. [TS]

  And I'm very glad to see some kind of universal remote capability I'm not sure how does that work to reach to my [TS]

  ceiling or something or there could be existing Apple T.V. [TS]

  Has this I'm Simming is this the same feature you're just now he doesn't the other direction. [TS]

  Where you can use any remote you want with your apple it with your Apple T.V. That the previous generation. I do this. [TS]

  This is. You can use this remote. [TS]

  It's like exactly the same functionality but the reverse where you can have this thing. [TS]

  Control your other devices by training it to say. It's got baseless got an I.R. [TS]

  Thing it's got to have an IRA thing at the base like NOT A No I yeah I think you guys are all wrong on this. [TS]

  So why understanding the way this works is it's a Bluetooth. It's a Bluetooth remote. [TS]

  And then using some protocol should I took a note on this let me start see anything is that how it controls your value [TS]

  please don't let that be true. Yeah it's not just a mentioned of why are there WAS NO NO NO NO NO Schiller said C.D.C. [TS]

  To control the. I know it has a C.C. [TS]

  To control this stuff a turn change your input or whatever and all the other stuff so tipster says it has I.R. [TS]

  For the volume up down. Yeah that's why I'm saying it's got to be for the volume. All right. [TS]

  So that's gotta be [TS]

  but right so that's that's a separate thing I'd like you can it's a learning remote you can teach it what is your T.V. [TS]

  Expect you to spray at it and I are to make the volume up [TS]

  and down for everything else that I did they mention like oh you can change your input on your thing to this [TS]

  and it can control your other devices and make sure your T.V. Is turned on its using C.C. Which some H.D.M.I. [TS]

  Standard which is a piece of crap I don't know if the standard to beat the crap. [TS]

  Or every single product in the entire universe than it once a standard is a basic crap. [TS]

  It doesn't matter what you do you get H.D.M.I. That implies all of that. Yeah exactly right. [TS]

  And so all is so bad right so it's comes under a million different. By Panasonic stuff but. [TS]

  Called like Vir I cast you by Samsung has a different name this is all the same standard. And I you know. I don't know. [TS]

  Again I don't know who to blame for it by tweeted about and in nine people were like. [TS]

  I have this on my Sunny told host of sun a receiver with my. [TS]

  Sunny remote and it's still nothing works I've got a mic stack here with Panasonic. [TS]

  and fail my Yamaha receiver whatever like. Here's the thing about C.C. It almost works. [TS]

  If you look at all thing you're like. [TS]

  Hey this is great all these different manufacturers who you know you know they're cooperating on the standard I can [TS]

  have this thing I will do all this stuff or whatever but then it stops working. And then you don't know why. [TS]

  And then everything freezes like one person was that I had a brownout once and C.C. Is never worked again. [TS]

  So I can fit it inexplicably It's like scuzzy terminations for the really old people. [TS]

  Terminating scuzzy chains that black magic. That's what C.C. Is like but worse but because with your T.V. [TS]

  You just expect to work so well I I played the stuff extensively when I got redid my computer. My television set twice. [TS]

  I try to try to once and I said maybe not ready try to several years later I got it all working. [TS]

  But there were just enough like innocent oftenest value way to dissolution. [TS]

  If you're dealing with anguish C C C C If you have a television receiver anything. [TS]

  You will make your life better turn that off on every single one here device don't leave a single one was C.C. [TS]

  Enable because it will screw up everything just turn off everywhere turn off on your receiver turn off on your T.V. [TS]

  Turn off in your remote turn off your Blu ray player turn all. Everywhere. Turn off on your game console. [TS]

  Then you have a slightly more annoying system or you've got turned everything is on but everything will actually work. [TS]

  So what does C.D.C. Stand for the E.C. Is like oh C.E.C. Oh. [TS]

  It never goes by the name because every manufacturer has a different name for it's a post like your other devices talk [TS]

  to each other when I had press one button that it knows to turn the receiver on and change them [TS]

  but to in turn the television on turn the volume to this [TS]

  and do it like it's supposed to be so they can all communicate with each other and almost works. It almost does. [TS]

  But it is just so incredibly frustrating that just seriously. So it's I guess it's nice that Apple includes this. [TS]

  There's a chance it could work fine for you that chance seem slim. It seems really slim. [TS]

  I am I would encourage people who I know ask your feedback. If you have a television set up with a bunch of C.C. [TS]

  Enabled devices. And it just works all the time and there are any problems I have not heard from here of those people. [TS]

  So I'm asking if that does happen do you send us an email or a tweet and say I use C.C. I've been using it for years. [TS]

  And I never have a problem with it. [TS]

  I don't think we'll get any emails but who knows I don't think there are many types of liquids out there. [TS]

  I know when I when I mentioned it on Twitter. [TS]

  All I got replies from people I said See he's the devil and I read like yes. It is to devil. [TS]

  And he just had a hard stories about. So that's not to say that Apple shouldn't include it. Sign. [TS]

  Go ahead and include it. But if you have grand plans that you think this is going to save you. [TS]

  This is not an Apple technology this is a quote unquote industry standard technology at the piece of crap. [TS]

  Real time follow up. I apologize to the both of you there is an I.R. [TS]

  Transmitter on the remote as per the spec page on Apple's website. [TS]

  I'm still not clear if it's a learning transmitter not but I don't think that the volume will work that part.. [TS]

  That part will totally work for you if you're trying to use the volume control. That will work on your T.V. [TS]

  That's honestly all I want to that's the only reason I have any of the remotes out was although it turned the T.V. [TS]

  On and off. Would be another thing but is that would C.C.'s most to do. Yeah. And even for that don't just don't. [TS]

  OK I don't know where you just separate thing to turn it's fine. You will you know survive. I guarantee you my T.V. [TS]

  Is too old to support it. Yeah probably. So I'm done being angry about C.C. and I can be angry about this remote. [TS]

  The other thing about this is like. [TS]

  The thing I kept thinking of looking at this remote which I always this is better than the previous Apple T.V. [TS]

  Which everyone hates and gets lost yourself a question. Is it. Yeah. Ok going to get it anyway. [TS]

  It's better reason has more buttons more actual buttons on it and it got the whole touchpad they've got to be better. [TS]

  Anyway. The Tivo remote of them on I always think of. [TS]

  Tivo it was the first sort of big mass market company I think because you know. Television remotes. [TS]

  Every year you buy it you know the T.V.'s come with a different shape or mode and there are trends in remote shapes [TS]

  and trends and what the buttons look like and how they're shaped unlike. [TS]

  There's no sort of one thing but because Tivo was a singular thing [TS]

  and kept its remote design for a long time people know what a Tivo remote looks like. [TS]

  If you say what are the Sony remote look like. Well. What year what decade to buy a T.V. [TS]

  So that's why I'm singling out to hear I think Tivo is one of the first companies in this sort of singular identifiable [TS]

  way that designed a remote around to things around. Actual human hands to hold things. [TS]

  And also around like an interface design that recognize the most common things people want to do in a T.V. [TS]

  Remotes have a million buttons on them. [TS]

  I totally ignorant that is not appropriate for Apple I'm not saying Apple should have made a Tivo remote. [TS]

  But the things of the T.V. Remote got writers like I said. They made a shape. [TS]

  That is not shaped like a rectangular solid like a piece of art [TS]

  or like something it is shaped like something that is meant to be held in your hand is meant to be easily scoop it up [TS]

  off a hard surface or a couch and meant to be helped comfortable in your hand [TS]

  and shit kind of like if you don't go to the root looks like let's call it a bonus like two bulbous ends with a thin [TS]

  thing in the middle. It's. [TS]

  It feels good to hold in a way that a rounded rectangle or or a sharp corner rectal or any kind of rectangle [TS]

  or even LIKE A We remote. The T.V. Remote. [TS]

  A much better fit for gripping human hands in the second thing if I pick up any T.V. Remote. [TS]

  Dead center in the middle on the sort of neck of the thing is a gigantic big brightly coloured large but on the remote. [TS]

  Which is the pause button the play a puppet that's the big feature of the Tivo is like oh you can pause live T.V. [TS]

  or Whatever and just above it is the play button and I again there are a million buttons around it I'm not saying that. [TS]

  That's what Apple should have done. But it's a testament to the table design that the million bucks on T.V. Remote. [TS]

  Are all shaped in distinct ways. Are put in clusters of related functionality that anyone's had a Tivo for years. [TS]

  You can grab that thing. [TS]

  And find the buttons you want without looking at it in a sea of a huge number of buttons you can find the directional [TS]

  pad you can but I don't need to look at my T.V. Remote I can hit. All sorts of buttons. [TS]

  All over the thing with hand shimmies [TS]

  and all those up without ever looking at it because every button is distinct You can feel it it's not. [TS]

  Just a bunch of little tiny rectangles not a bunch of uniform circles in a grid. [TS]

  And the buttons are different sizes in a larger ones are more common the small ones are more obscure. [TS]

  And again related functionality is localized. It is a brilliant remote design they tweaked a little bit over the years. [TS]

  Again not appropriate for Apple what I want to see is that philosophy that philosophy of acknowledging those things [TS]

  that human hands are going to hold this is not going to be placed as a piece of art and. [TS]

  You know Museum of Modern Art and jobs going to look at it and Scout right. [TS]

  It's going to be held by human hands it's going to be on couches going to be on surface will have to pick it up. [TS]

  And some functions are more common than others. So every single button shouldn't be the same size. [TS]

  Related function should be grouped together. And it should basically you know. [TS]

  Work more like people expect it to and less like a designer wanted to look this. This looks like still too much. [TS]

  Form over function. Not enough function dictating form. [TS]

  Still better than little tiny silver thing with the stupid little directional circle that you can never tell what your [TS]

  action you're putting. And I like the touch thing. [TS]

  And voice is the ultimate thing we want to hit buttons at all and I agree with all of that [TS]

  but this is in the grand scheme of remote design. This is not a great remote design. [TS]

  I kind of like the old one honestly. But but you know this I mean this looks fine. I'm looking forward to trying it. [TS]

  I kind of miss. With the old one that they were like the big center but like you could. [TS]

  You could just pick it up without looking at it. [TS]

  And you could operate everything that overlooking this I think is going to take some getting used to because like the [TS]

  play pauses like this it shapes is a call to the buttons and. [TS]

  I don't know but I think I'll use that I think the idea As. That you can get away with using this white Be stuff. [TS]

  And by the way did you put the some of the notes new thing [TS]

  but if you looked at the little guide of like the Apple television human interface guidelines they show an animation [TS]

  not with fingers but with dots. Showing the things you can do and say swipe. [TS]

  Fine I know a swipe is white cross little touch pad right. Then they show. Both a click and a tap. [TS]

  Which are supposedly distinct things and how the hell of a distinct. How is a click the button right to stand this. [TS]

  Who knows. Like the click is more intentional. [TS]

  It's like you press harder do you have to bend the remote and half [TS]

  or so to strike it what they're there for sense is that I have no idea. [TS]

  But I mean is this not tap to click all over again you know there's a click [TS]

  and then there's a tap in the two different things. [TS]

  I don't understand I mean we haven't touched it's a lie so we can't tell so I can't tell if this is a good or bad [TS]

  but I knew I liked the idea that I can pretend to the buttons don't exist but even if you just pretend about [TS]

  and don't exist I think this thing is too low profile too thin [TS]

  and too small to be comfortable to hold that's why i like they sell those wooden holsters for the all the Hubble T.V. [TS]

  Remote for people to turn into something large enough that A doesn't get lost and be feel good in your hand. [TS]

  You know I don't know will say. Now. I was just looking at the Apple Web site the specs. Site. [TS]

  And it says in the box for the new Apple T.V. Apple T.V. Serial power cord. Lightning two U.S.B. Cable. [TS]

  Is that going to be the same one we always have. And if so that's ever so slightly presumptuous because the only U.S.B.. [TS]

  On This Is Us P.C. So is that a lightning to us P.C. Cable or sat just a regular Lightning two U.S.B. Cable. [TS]

  Because presumably it's charge the battery right. It's charger remote I would imagine and so it seems a little. [TS]

  Yeah it seems a little weird to me that they would include a cable that. [TS]

  Can't plug in to the device in order to charge the remote you need for the device. It's also. [TS]

  I think it's kind of funny honestly that. This is this is the second apple device to have a U.S.B. Seaport. [TS]

  That's a good point actually think about that it seems appropriate because it's kind of like the second. [TS]

  The first of ice to be totally redesigned in the US P.C. Era discounting I.R.S. [TS]

  Devices which I guess are sticking with lightning. Like. Yes. But yeah it's a good point. [TS]

  I think the whole thing you know charging through I think that's should be fine. It does seem to have. [TS]

  You know based on what they say like Oh yes said like burning months of battery life. Now. The old Apple T.V. [TS]

  or Most seem to provide years of battery life to the point where I think I buy a new Apple T.V. [TS]

  I think I think I only had to replace the battery and Apple T.V. Remote I think twice. And I've been using Apple T.V. [TS]

  Since the first one I've never had to replace money as I use it. There you go. So you know this. [TS]

  This is going to have an interesting problem. [TS]

  Where it's going to be hopefully will warn you had a time when it's running low. [TS]

  It's it's just it's a good battery life. Of quote months. That you will generally never have to charge it. [TS]

  Except one night when it dies. [TS]

  Just small battery will charge so fast it's a kind of like the pencil where like fifteen seconds of charging gives [TS]

  thirty minutes of us like that's the advantage of small batteries as. Yeah. [TS]

  And because Bluetooth it will be able to tell the thing hey your motors low and you plug it in [TS]

  and your plug it in for a half an hour and you'll be good to go over like another month or so excited gonna be fun [TS]

  and by that rationale the new i Phones charge really fast. Oh goodness we're not getting there yet not get there yet. [TS]

  All right let's talk about Siri on the T.V. Because apparently John you want to talk about that. Yeah. [TS]

  Like everything like that demos well especially [TS]

  when you don't actually do a demo via just so can movies like The Show me all the. [TS]

  James Bond movies only the ones the Sean Connery. [TS]

  Blob of although if you say only of my argument had to say just and it becomes like a text adventure and. Anyway. [TS]

  Do you think anything is better than trying to enter text. [TS]

  With her no control we all agree on that so I think there's a lot of leeway for people to struggle with Siri. [TS]

  Before it becomes as painful as trying to type things and do a search box. So there's what we all wanted. [TS]

  If it works as designed like it I don't have all tried the Amazon Fire I think the market has one of Casey's try to [TS]

  like put a microphone the remote. Let me speak some stuff. [TS]

  When it works it's useful when it doesn't it's kind of annoying [TS]

  but again it there is a long gap before is like is this more annoying than trying to type things on a keyboard [TS]

  especially the keyboard not Cordie but is an alphabetical order on the screen or something crazy like that. [TS]

  I hope to really hope it works like they show it working. I bet you know someone tweeted a joke which. [TS]

  It was a joke but it shows like The immediate limits you run into. [TS]

  Show me at the shop and then show me all the headphones that Marco likes but only the ones that are. [TS]

  You know under eight hundred dollars. [TS]

  They don't know who Marco as they should he's in your contacts can you figure like. [TS]

  It's a human would be able to do it but Siri can't [TS]

  and so you know I think that's unfair obviously you know series not artificial intelligence. [TS]

  But once you can talk to something. [TS]

  And start being conversational with it a soon as you hit those limits [TS]

  and we all know the limits of their soon as you hit them. It breaks the illusion. [TS]

  And it becomes a little bit frustrating but hopefully the. [TS]

  The benefits of never having to use an onscreen keyboard to do stuff. FAR outweigh. [TS]

  You know the downsides of bumping into the invisible walls that constitute the current limits of AI. [TS]

  Yeah and what impressed me a lot about Syria was that it specially out in the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Demos they did it seemed to do better with context than it's ever done before [TS]

  and I know one of the features of Siri pretty much since launch was. We understand context since conversational but. [TS]

  But like you were saying you know. Osho me an action movie ocean. [TS]

  Show me the James Bond movies no show me the James Bond movies with Sean Connery [TS]

  and I'm actually misstating this is not Show me the James Bond movies each times OK. Show me James Bond movies. [TS]

  No show me the ones and Sean Connery. [TS]

  And so that context is Captain ANY it looked impressive now we'll see how it actually works. [TS]

  But in principle it certainly demo to really well I mean I'm looking for drawing it if I end up getting one of these [TS]

  which knowing me I probably will. [TS]

  I worry that it will work well for programmers who think procedurally [TS]

  and who think of it like a series of felt their operations [TS]

  but if you give it to a regular person like it's that you see little kids that would Syria all the time like on your [TS]

  phone. They just are talking to a like a person. If your program when you're thinking of it is like. [TS]

  I understand this this is a series of filter steps and there is probably some leeway in the in the syntax. [TS]

  But there is like what you're doing is you're holding in your head of the program or. [TS]

  What you know to be the context date. So that when you say just the ones with Sean Connery. [TS]

  You understand that they are the context of your previous search [TS]

  and that is a plot like that mental model does not exist as the user model of most people's brains. [TS]

  They can be trained to figure it out to figure out how do I have to talk to my apple to be to get to do stuff with the [TS]

  spine. Like again better than an onscreen keyboard but. [TS]

  What happens initially is people are made by the first demo and I just start talking to identify kinds of know like. [TS]

  Show me James Bond movies. I actually want something with Julia Roberts. [TS]

  And then it shows your movies because there are no Julia Roberts. Because I didn't understand you said actually. [TS]

  And you were just reciting the whole thing and you know what I mean [TS]

  but a human like Boy it's tough it's a tough problem. [TS]

  I just want a fish and speech to text without having to get up and a little Mike from their MO does that so kudos. [TS]

  All right T V O S. [TS]

  Actually before we get to that and in the realm of remotes I don't know if you guys saw this but in the same. [TS]

  Documentation that I pasted and linked to they have the game controllers. [TS]

  Shown talk about gaming or Apple's i Phone gaming a little bit and they try to show games. [TS]

  Being used with a little Excel Romanism your little tiny thing [TS]

  and trying to use like a deep atom touchscreen all this terrible stuff. [TS]

  And so Apple does have support for game interest. [TS]

  They have a picture of an actual game controller documentation has a steel series on top of it Arnold has existing game. [TS]

  controller for like I was devices or was just a prototype for itself coming up for Apple T.V. [TS]

  But Apple defines the buttons [TS]

  and controls that should be on a game controller going to sign up in new ways I haven't kept up with like.. [TS]

  They bite of already defined as fry us but anyway this is a definition for Apple T.V. [TS]

  Possibly also the old definition of High US but it was the first time I threw documentation. [TS]

  It defines to shoulder pads to triggers a deep had two thumbs that kicks a menu button. And for face buttons A B. and X. [TS]

  Y. [TS]

  Which are in the mirror image or arrangement of the S N E S which I think it's weird [TS]

  when I just go with the exact arrangement of the offending us anyway. [TS]

  And I give you the expected behaviors they want them to do with it like you know it goes back in the menu system [TS]

  and activates [TS]

  and I don't let the shoulder buttons like using them in an app like left shoulder navigate laughing have gets right [TS]

  and then expected behavior in a game various For all these things but anyway. [TS]

  This shows a little bit of gaming inventions like we're going to define a controller interface on a set of buttons. [TS]

  And it's kind of the controller people how they want to arrange the buns they can put those hormones that neither where [TS]

  they wanted they can put some sticks anywhere they want or whatever. [TS]

  But at least they're in game console style saying they're trying to say anyway. [TS]

  You should have four face by and they should be ab and X. and Y. and Hear the expected behavior so song gets one game. [TS]

  And the. You know when they're going to the menu system. [TS]

  To go into the next menu in your game they hit and to go back they have baby [TS]

  but then have another game person does it reverse it drives you crazy so I'm happy to see them trying to pin down. [TS]

  The user every council does us like on Play Station where X. Is the button to go in and I got an intended B. [TS]

  Is the button to go back in the menus that like every can't gain consol has to do this. [TS]

  Otherwise you will just get very frustrated trying to use a game because your muscle memory. [TS]

  Even just navigating the menus or whatever are finally what's going to was probably the jump button [TS]

  and what's probably the fire button right. For John or is a games or. [TS]

  If I think of the menus because every game has menus [TS]

  and it's the most frustrating if some game reverses the this button goes deeper into the menus as button goes back in. [TS]

  the menus. So that doesn't you know there was some rumors about like Apple T.V. Taking on a game console or whatever. [TS]

  People got their fund were trying to write those stories beforehand. [TS]

  That was not possible to this present to that is not what Apple T.V. Is never was going to be that. That's fine. [TS]

  What is going to be is a way to play Iowa style games. From your couch. [TS]

  If the game developers can figure out some way to make the game work without touch controls. [TS]

  And I think is the biggest challenge like a back say remote and it gets back to the controllers. [TS]

  And that gets back to the universal application of you can write a single game [TS]

  and have it work on the i Phone the i Pad. And on the Apple T.V. Again. [TS]

  If you can figure out some way to control the thing. [TS]

  Without letting people touch your screen because on the television. [TS]

  They can't touch the screen or if they do nothing will actually happen except I'll get angry. [TS]

  Like I don't want to delay the T.V.'s discussion but like I think. [TS]

  Gaming is a part of this in our martyrs [TS]

  and what do you think about playing games on this they do the current multiplayer cross the road demo [TS]

  and people seem excited about that but what do you think the prospects of this as a platform for buying [TS]

  and playing games. Honestly I think I'm disappointed that Apple doesn't just have a controller. Like a game controller. [TS]

  You know I mean in reality I'm not surprised by any of this. But I am disappointed that you know. [TS]

  This is basically relegating games that will actually use controllers to this obscure. [TS]

  You know side business it was like. It's like making. They were like eleven or something games. [TS]

  That could take advantage of both a thirty two X. and They say get a CD at the same time. [TS]

  Because nobody had both a thirty two X. N.S.A. Good CD. [TS]

  I think it's going to be like that where like the number of people who buy the new Apple T.V. [TS]

  Is going to be low for a while because it's just it's new and it's [TS]

  and it's more expensive so it's going to be low for a while. [TS]

  Combine that with the number of people who are going to have the new Apple T.V. [TS]

  Who are also going to buy a game controller for that that is not from Apple. [TS]

  Right now there is the still series and this thing with what Lincoln at this is a real controller. [TS]

  So you know they have this that there's no price listed it's. You know you can like pre-order it or something or. [TS]

  You know let me know when it's ready to kind of thing. [TS]

  It's probably going to be like thirty or forty bucks I would assume. Maybe more who knows. [TS]

  How many people are actually going to have these controllers to make it worth game developers putting any effort into [TS]

  actually taking advantage of them and. And if you. If your game developer. [TS]

  How can you justify writing a game for the Apple T.V. That. That requires one of these things you know like.. [TS]

  It's a game controller. If a suitable enough. Game controller. Came with every Apple T.V. Then you could. [TS]

  You could assume it's there and you can write for it. Now as an optional hardware out on. [TS]

  I think it's going to get very little support. Control is the biggest challenge with this thing. If you have an i O. S. [TS]

  Game. [TS]

  Tons of virus games are out there lots of fun the take venture touching trials games that would be harder to play with [TS]

  a traditional control are easier to play with touch like a flight control. [TS]

  Who would want to play flight control with a console. [TS]

  Controllers who would be extremely frustrating at super natural and fun to use your finger. [TS]

  That is an ideal touch game. How do you bring flight controls the Apple T.V. [TS]

  You absolutely don't you just can't like I you can make people swipe around a little tiny Pad you'll be terrible.. [TS]

  So there's a different class of games. You have to make for the Apple T.V. Can you make a game. That works on Apple T.V. [TS]

  and With such devices. [TS]

  Maybe if it's a type A game like Flappy Bird where you could have a single input which is a big red shiny button that [TS]

  you press periodic Lee right. That probably works fine in all them because it's like tap anywhere on the screen. [TS]

  Tap anywhere on the remote everything's fine. But when you start getting him in a little bit complicated. [TS]

  Like even like Alto. Has enough complicated stuff in it that I don't know if you can play Alto. [TS]

  With that I suppose you can if you start using accelerometers but. [TS]

  But come up with one good control stream is hard enough. [TS]

  Coming up with two good control schemes for a single game that someone buys wants is a model pop forms. [TS]

  Seems like a tall order so I had to think that either if you're lucky enough to have a game that has a dead simple [TS]

  interface like cross the road just like just make the cut where it's like happened a couple swipes fine you're good. [TS]

  Then you can get away with it. If you have a more complicated control scheme you can go. Apple T.V. Only. [TS]

  But then you have to make sure it's playable with the remote. [TS]

  Which is probably not a great experience and like Marco said anyone going to make a game. [TS]

  That is just terrible to play with the remote. [TS]

  But it's really meant to be played with a control that no one's going to own. [TS]

  Maybe even shovelware I guess maybe it's like a shovelware port like everyone's like. [TS]

  You know one of the inevitable part of Thomas was alone [TS]

  but I think Thomas was one would actually be kind of OK with with a little controller because it's kind of like four [TS]

  directions in a jump anyway. The remote in addition to being what I think is a not very good remote. [TS]

  Is a terrible video game controller. It'll be fine for taps and swipes but for everything else. [TS]

  I don't know what this is why like. I and you know. Again. None of this is really that big of a surprise. But I think. [TS]

  Go into this a lot of people were saying. [TS]

  Oh yeah well Apple's going to make a big deal with games here and this is going to be a big game. Story and. [TS]

  You know again. Unless it shipped with a decent gaming controller. [TS]

  That was never going to the case and I think we all knew Apple was not going to do that and ultimately then. [TS]

  I don't see this being a major game story. I think most games are going to be better on the i Phone and i Pad. [TS]

  Then they're going to be on this T.V. Because of that because there is no standard. Well. Most I.O.'s games well. [TS]

  But you think it was Iowa schemes like games that work well with touch interface is obviously better with touch [TS]

  interface. Yet. [TS]

  Oh yeah I know [TS]

  but I'm saying like most games that will actually be made for them because I because I don't see a lot of games being [TS]

  made for it that that will actually like you know game. Games that will do well with a deep Pad or with button. [TS]

  Like I don't see that being made for this. So who is going to do that and I keep saying shovelware which is the. [TS]

  I guess the we era. Popular is that word of like say your A game maker. And you have a game. [TS]

  And you've already got the game and it's available in like seventeen different platforms.. [TS]

  And it's not too much effort to hire some contractor to point to the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Now why not like you know just do the math you like the game already. [TS]

  This is already done it's already Q Wade we just wanted to do a part of it. And then just retested. [TS]

  And then send it out. And it's a popular game and it's like a popular franchise and it's a well known name or whatever. [TS]

  Can we make Apple T.V. Part of it. You know it's not the most part in the world. [TS]

  You know they do the math and said you know yes we can. That shovelware. There's a slim chance of that. [TS]

  That doesn't make anything into a great console is there a chance like I owe us. [TS]

  That someone can make a game that plays to the unique strengths of the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Like this I was like you know who's going to write games your phone that stupid [TS]

  but you know if they can fly control in those early breakout games like oh you know what there's a whole class of games [TS]

  that people haven't really investigated before that are great with touch controls. [TS]

  And those games would be terrible on a console maybe terrible on a P.C. [TS]

  but They're great on your phone integrate on your i Pad and there have been a lot of big success stories.. [TS]

  Religion that is there an equivalent to the Apple T.V. [TS]

  I don't think so because anything that would be super great on the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Would also be super great on any game console. And would probably also be super great on I.O.'s like I don't. [TS]

  I don't know if there's a if there's a place for games that are uniquely good on the Apple T.V. That. [TS]

  In ways that there wouldn't be good on either eyes devices or consuls or P.C.'s. [TS]

  So I think it's going to be a tough road for that type of game for Apple T.V. The open question I think I have is will. [TS]

  I OS games which you know are super popular and I was the the breakout I was games make a lot of money [TS]

  and one of the biggest selling categories of software for and app store are games. Will that translate to Apple T.V. [TS]

  Will enough of those games be portable enough to be Apple T.V. and Be ported to the Apple T.V. To make Apple T.V. [TS]

  As successful a game platform as Phones i Pads are. I think there's a. [TS]

  It's chance of that they are not as successful but like you know portion wise I was a self far fewer Apple T.V. [TS]

  Isn't oversell i Phones. Right but proportion was. Well most people get an eyeful T.V. [TS]

  Buying download a couple of wanted to dog games. I kind of think they will. [TS]

  And like cross the road was the perfect game to demo because that'll be fine on the T.V. [TS]

  and Multi-layered play will be fun. I still think there's a barrier of. [TS]

  Based on my kids you know people I've seen as a barrier to actually turning on the T.V. [TS]

  To do this like it seems like more of a ceremony than just taking out your eye patter i Pod touch or your phone [TS]

  and tapping out a few games across the road to actually go to the room with the T.V. [TS]

  and Turn it on and sit down and turn on the Apple T.V. [TS]

  and Do a lot of the stuff may be too much of a barrier to make that thing that happens. [TS]

  But I guess we'll see we haven't had another game platform like this to be as successful as this is probably going to [TS]

  be except for maybe the Amazon. Fire T.V. I don't know their game so far doing their oh yeah. I have them. [TS]

  They even sell a game controller for I think thirty bucks that doesn't come with that one of the games is cross the [TS]

  road. [TS]

  I'm assuming Apple's going to sell more of these and foreign to you [TS]

  but I don't know do we not know how many foreign T.V. Sell because another Amazon. Thing where they don't tell you. [TS]

  Yeah but I mean first of all. What you said I think is a very very important factor of. [TS]

  This is you know as I always say. Don't bet against a smartphone. [TS]

  This is going to get smartphone and that most of the games that will be decent and compelling on the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Will be i Phone and i Pad games and. So you're asking people to play them on a T.V. [TS]

  Instead of playing them on my last device which they probably also have that I think is. I don't. [TS]

  I think it's going to be very few games played on very few occasions where that's going to really be worth doing for [TS]

  most people. Secondly. So you know. So the games. I mean you know. Usually I think it's actually going to be worse.. [TS]

  On the Apple T.V. Because you don't have the talk screen. And most people are going to have a game controller. [TS]

  So it's actually worse control. [TS]

  On a larger [TS]

  but crappier display that you can't touch that is going to you know it's it's going to be a good because you're more [TS]

  communal That's why I think multiplayer us euro because doing multiplayer crossroads [TS]

  when people are gathered around a single i Pad and both fingers stabbing at the screen like. That's. [TS]

  And I even think that little. I don't know any game that has a spectator aspect of it or a communal aspect of it. [TS]

  Like maybe people who make game shows and party games for it. [TS]

  Then I guess you get into things like can I buy more of these remotes or do I have to use my phone on my i Pod Touch [TS]

  and. And all those other factors are I don't know like. [TS]

  There are there is a market for a couple of breakout hits for this [TS]

  but I don't think any of them are going to break out in the same way that I was against it right. [TS]

  And so then to close this out for now I guess. Do you think this. This will sell well. [TS]

  So you know if you think about it. [TS]

  This is priced at one forty nine and one ninety nine for thirty two and sixty four gigs [TS]

  and it is as case you mentioned earlier. Pretty comical. That this for a hundred fifty bucks. Has more memory and it. [TS]

  Then the new i Phones for way more money but I will fight the fight another day I thank you. And today also. This. [TS]

  You know you look at the Amazon Fire he gets one hundred bucks for the for the good one Do even know so it's about a. [TS]

  hundred bucks or maybe a hundred fifty for the good for the good fire T.V. [TS]

  Again no game controller included you gotta pay thirty bucks more whatever. [TS]

  I don't think the market for the set top boxes. Is in a you know upwards price climb here. I think. [TS]

  I think we've seen over the last couple years is these little like cheap forty dollar stick. [TS]

  Versions of the boxes are selling very well as of the remote. Our smaller you know these things. [TS]

  Just plug in a few My port and. And then they always they never show you the little U.S.B. Cable needs for power. [TS]

  Those are selling very well it seems whenever I talk to people who are buying T.V. Boxes. [TS]

  They always talk about those things that seems like people really love those things. [TS]

  They're very cheap their basic but they're fine for stuff like Netflix with [TS]

  and because you know that the kind of stuff that most people are actually using these boxes for so far. OK. And plucks. [TS]

  Yeah and Plextor. You're in your flicks. I love me some Plus you'll fight the Plex like. So. [TS]

  So you have that whole part of the market where I don't see them wanting to suddenly spend one hundred fifty dollars on [TS]

  this on something to solve that kind of need. [TS]

  So I think the low end and like the common case of watching Netflix and stuff [TS]

  and Plex is going to be solved perfectly well by everything else that's not the Xbox. [TS]

  I think looking at Amazon is a worthy. Example here. [TS]

  Do you think Amazon actually sells a good number of the expensive fire T.V. [TS]

  Box the good one that is that it has a fast C.P.U. and Can run apps and games on the one that I bought. [TS]

  Which is you know it's fine it's. You know it's not amazing but it's fine. [TS]

  Is it is very fast it does have some games that I played once and never again go. [TS]

  I think this is going to be slow climb up the sales ranks for the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Because it is coming into a very cheap market. [TS]

  With with a relatively expensive offering compared to the other things and again. They've done this before. [TS]

  Apple has done this before. However in this case. What makes it so much better. [TS]

  I think is going to be like you know this kind this whole app story that they're betting big on. [TS]

  But I'm not sure that's going to actually play out. It doesn't seem like. I mean I'm sure you know people like us. [TS]

  You know most of us are probably going to buy something like this. [TS]

  We'll talk about our podcasts and everything but do you see like regular people wanting this you know. [TS]

  Not not just a T.V. Connected. [TS]

  Smart box to complain Affleck's but wanting this one and being willing to spend this amount of money for it. [TS]

  Tim said on the thing the Future T.V. Of apps like the other shoe hasn't dropped for this. [TS]

  Yet and there's lots of stories leading up to this announcement talked about this like. This is the box. [TS]

  This is the hardware and they showed the software in the crossed service search [TS]

  and all sorts of things that other boxes have as well. The other shoe is. [TS]

  Hey Apple is there something I can pay for monthly subscription to get basically T.V. [TS]

  Without going through a cable company an answer right now is no. [TS]

  But the rumors have been for years and years [TS]

  and that's what Apple's trying to provide to you they're going to try to find a way where you can pay some monthly [TS]

  amount of money. That is less than your current cable bill. And you can get quote unquote T.V. [TS]

  In addition to Netflix and Hulu or whatever else uses scribes and all the other services and Apple things and Bob Law. [TS]

  But also T.V. You'll be able to watch your your baseball games on the ammo be yapping your N.F.L. [TS]

  Games than a fellow app and you fail to see local news and yell to see all the channels that you want to seeing and [TS]

  and H.B.O. and Showtime any S.V.N. and An Apple doesn't have that yet. Like they. We keep hearing that trying to work. [TS]

  Work on it. That is the other shoe for this this is the hardware is ready for it. [TS]

  That will make this a way more compelling than you'd like Mark was saying you know. [TS]

  If you just want something to stream Netflix every T.V. Does that now. And you have an old T.V. [TS]

  You can buy one of these boxes or one of these. [TS]

  Amazon how many people actually subscribe to Amazon who [TS]

  and that it's like Who concert across that most people don't subscribe to one of them. Hopefully this is a better. [TS]

  Box than those little sticks or whatever. [TS]

  But that just you know said hi and customers like I just want something better [TS]

  and I go all the chrome Crassus finalising watch my stuff [TS]

  but this is not a a fully fledged customer solution yet so we're still just waiting for Apple to get its deal worked [TS]

  out. The I agree and a lot of the regular people that I know that have one of these sort of Apple T.V. [TS]

  Boxes or equivalent. A lot of them are swearing by Chromecast. [TS]

  They that works for them it's all they need to go back to very quickly I think that. [TS]

  I don't really find anything that compelling about this other than that it's a new Apple toys. [TS]

  I think for fur to really get popular. Either it needs to replace cable like you were just saying John. [TS]

  Or depending on maybe one of a couple of different things.. [TS]

  If if say for example that m l b app existed but for the N.F.L. That would be a big deal. [TS]

  So if you if there was some sort of exclusive Sunday Ticket style. Which is exclusive to Direct T.V. [TS]

  If there was a way that I could buy an Apple T.V. and Then pay a little extra to get basically Sunday Ticket. [TS]

  In an app that didn't stink you know an app written by the M L B's media arm or whatever it is. [TS]

  I would go berzerk for that I would love it and if it's not the N.F.L. [TS]

  If you're rolling your eyes about another American talking about stupid American football than find soccer [TS]

  or find F one. And there might be F one. Some fancy F one app on this thing. [TS]

  Who knows but having something hugely popular and I'm concentrating on sports but isn't exclusively sports. [TS]

  But having something like that. I think would really drive a lot of adoption but without either the T.V. [TS]

  Service being replaced by. By the Apple T.V. [TS]

  or Something that I care or you know you care really really strongly about being on the Apple T.V. [TS]

  In a really really great experience like that I will be appliqued like I just I don't see huge adoption not yet anyway. [TS]

  If you're just augmenting your existing T.V. [TS]

  or Your like a weirdo cord cutter things then get along without a quote unquote real T.V. [TS]

  Then you're still in like the in the small category you're never going to get the mass market in till you can [TS]

  and fully replace T.V. For those people and. Once you can get in on the bill. [TS]

  You know you said like people who are really into a particular sport of course they want to think they [TS]

  but they're probably going to that in addition to their other thing right. [TS]

  And all the exclusive deals are problems that is still kind of like a and enthusiastic market. [TS]

  To get to the mass market you. At the say. This can be how you watch T.V. and. You have to you have to say. [TS]

  It covers your television watching needs like the old boring way. Right. [TS]

  And then you even if you've got them on board you can say oh and by the way the Future T.V. [TS]

  Of apps and if you're really interested in one particular thing is really interested in knitting or. [TS]

  You're really interested in F one are you whatever the thing it really isn't by the way there's an app for that kind of [TS]

  television or movies or videos or whatever. [TS]

  And the app does more than just let you hit play and watch a movie which again. That's a bar that current have a T.V. [TS]

  It's not crossing right but remanding here these apps are all grain this product is good. [TS]

  The apps can really add to areas of interest and I think everybody who subscribes to television in some way. [TS]

  Has some area of interest that potentially someone could make an app for that would make them interested in that [TS]

  experience that's another chicken egg thing where no one's going to make those apps have known by the box. [TS]

  and I was going to buy the box of can't replace their T.V. And this can't replace their T.V. [TS]

  Front because Apple hasn't on the deals and blah blah so really it still doesn't augment or is box [TS]

  and we're all hoping is that this is a better all the mentors box than the existing crappy Apple T.V. [TS]

  or The navy other things but for regular people like a set of they just like well. [TS]

  Chromecast going to You Tube and it can watch Netflix and it's fine and like that everything a modern T.V. [TS]

  Can all do Netflix are ready and probably Amazon Video. [TS]

  Like why don't you know box my television does that made of lean it probably does it fine even those really slow [TS]

  and thinking takes a long time to launch. You're never going to convince them. [TS]

  Especially that this is better because it launches fastener smoothly. [TS]

  Really the fit for this to work like terms of the Future T.V. Really needs to be apps. [TS]

  And you can start with the early adopters an enthusiast you can start with the people who like. [TS]

  I found this kind of hilarious [TS]

  but also I totally understood it like the people who really do want to watch to baseball games [TS]

  and once I understand those people. I know they're out there. [TS]

  How can you watch you because it's a thing that happens I've seen it happen. I mean. [TS]

  I know my kids and I I think I got a picture of this most recently. My son was sitting on the couch watching. [TS]

  Air quotes. Television. Playing his Nintendo D.S. [TS]

  With a youtube movie playing on it i Pad with a headphone from his i Pad going into his ear. [TS]

  And I was like Can I Turn T.V. I was like nah I'm watching that unlike you watching it.. [TS]

  You're playing pokémon your D.S. [TS]

  And you're also watching You Tube video but you really just listen get no no it wasn't him you do video. [TS]

  He was playing music. And there was a video playing just. I don't anyway. He would love to watch. [TS]

  To baseball games the ones that nothing. Oh hey. [TS]

  Well every every football every cultural season at one point or another there'll be enough games on simultaneously. [TS]

  That I will typically have two televisions and one [TS]

  or two computers all in my family room so I can balance my eyes between all the different games all at once. [TS]

  Also I can hear Marco rolling his eyes. Baseball. Nothing happened for such a long time that is really not. [TS]

  You can just like. I'll pay attention to the game. [TS]

  And I'll pay attention to that game you didn't miss and then you just much like the couple [TS]

  but scratched over there so you have time to time slice it. [TS]

  But in a fast paced like a new watch to basketball games the same time. I don't think you can. [TS]

  But I'm sure people I'm sure people can. [TS]

  All right let's talk about Ti Vo ass because we saw some i Phones talk about at the rate we're going we're going to be [TS]

  longer than the damn good fellas podcast. There's a T.V. J.S. [TS]

  Framework I've not looked into any of this so seeing this in the show notes is the first news I had the way for you do. [TS]

  If you don't want to write like a full fledged applique So you're someone who's got a bunch of video. [TS]

  Like you are the knitting shall write a new I got a bunch of knitting videos [TS]

  and I got them organized into categories and I've got like shows and I've you know got to Tory old [TS]

  and stuff I don't want to I want to be an Apple T.V. [TS]

  I want people to be able to launch it [TS]

  but I don't know how to write an avid I don't know how to run a highrise did I was really all it is is just a bunch of [TS]

  categorize been the video that you can start playing right. How can I get that operating if that's possible. [TS]

  I don't know much about this is I just look at the page briefly [TS]

  but it seems like they have a way to do that has web technologies with H.T.M.L. Five video in javascript. [TS]

  To slap some together with web style technologies to give you an application that has a bunch of thumbnails a video [TS]

  with player controls I mean we've all seen this all seen H.T.M.L. Five video players. You Tube's H.T.M.L. [TS]

  Five a player this point where you have a kind of a customize you why in a place video just fine you can sort through [TS]

  them and you just make it a centrally web pages.. [TS]

  And I Frames and also through the things you're expected to do with a simple Javascript A.P.I. [TS]

  And I think it's a good way to you know. [TS]

  To make the barrier to entry for people who have a bunch of video and want to make it a. Vailable in an apple. [TS]

  The Apple T.V. Quickly and easily. [TS]

  Seems like a reasonably good idea I hope it's not terrible thing is we've all seen terrible H.T.M.L. [TS]

  Five hundred players and longed for like actual native controls for video. [TS]

  But I'm guessing that because the problem domain a small bunch of thumbnails of videos that you play. [TS]

  I think it should probably be fine. But anyway. [TS]

  This is after reading like three cents on the web pages I'm attire wrong about what T.V. J.S. and T.V. M.L. Kit are. [TS]

  I'm sure we'll find out a follow up our Intel's about local storage. [TS]

  and however the snippets I just pull that I think there is no persistent local storage traps on Apple T.V. [TS]

  This means that every app developed for the new Apple T.V. [TS]

  Must be able to start date and i Cloud that is a direct quote from Apple's documentation. [TS]

  No persistent local sources great to have thirty two and sixty four gig. Models. [TS]

  If you write an app you can't use any of that I mean you can. Incidentally in the course of running. [TS]

  But there is no persistent local storage say you've got a bunch of files and you want to download them and store them.. [TS]

  On the Apple T.V. You can't. [TS]

  You can put them in i Cloud well not to late you can download them but it's all considered. [TS]

  Temporary purge of all files. So that you can download them. Yet you can download them. [TS]

  But next time you launch they might be gone. But it's non-persistent it's like yeah. It's like you. [TS]

  You know it's going to download stuff it's going to put it on on the storage [TS]

  but that's not you know you can't have any guarantee that's going to be there next time you run like you can't store [TS]

  stuff there. So good it is just there temporarily. [TS]

  And presumably if something more important having to do with actual video watching comes along a wipe all your crap [TS]

  and will be gone the next time you're launched. So like you can save documents there. [TS]

  For example like so if you're thinking of making an Apple T.V. [TS]

  App that I don't know is like a drawing program lets you draw like with a magic wand with the remote. [TS]

  You can save the user's drawing you'll be able to be good next time you want to make it all begun. [TS]

  You must use I class which shows that I guess they need all I mean I guess they know that storage for those a high [TS]

  definition screen savers right. Like they can put stuff on there permanently but your apps can't. [TS]

  And the second thing and speaking of stars and the maximum size of an Apple T.V. [TS]

  App is in the size of the app bundle itself like that you download from the store is two hundred megabyte anything down [TS]

  the sides need to be package unloaded using on demand resources we talked about as every day we see shows about [TS]

  abstaining which will help make your app smaller. [TS]

  And On Demand resources where you don't ship the resources but the apa downloads them on demand. [TS]

  I'm not sure how the on demand resources I didn't read into this the on memory Phyllis's [TS]

  and i OS it's like you get your out from the App Store at small. And when it needs. [TS]

  Often download the but then it keeps it right do you know if On Demand resources are purge of all Argo. [TS]

  I don't know I haven't looked I would guess they probably are [TS]

  but either way it sounds like they probably are for the Apple T.V. To my recollection they were on any platform. [TS]

  Like oh yeah you download it on demand but again the same deal like maybe something will come through [TS]

  and clean them up for the next time you launch you'll need to download them on demand again [TS]

  but anyway this is pretty constraining which means. [TS]

  No one like you're not going to have the equivalent of single app missing lobby books on the early days of i OS for is [TS]

  like a single book would be an app for ninety nine cents. No one is going to be able to sell Apple T.V. [TS]

  Apps that are like three hours of video. [TS]

  You just download it and it's like you know like no just not going to happen because it's gonna be two hundred megs. [TS]

  And the probably reject you tried to do that anyway for other reasons. Yeah. [TS]

  So for games that basically means all that on demand stuff that they showed you. [TS]

  That's like mandatory for games like you have something like across the road I don't think cross the road fly fix [TS]

  entered two hundred megs I don't know maybe it doesn't know textures and it is just flat shaded I think. But yeah. [TS]

  If you're thinking of making a game. [TS]

  If again if you had any illusions a hell of those are goes into like album to me is going up against Playstation X. [TS]

  Box with no local storage and two hundred megawatts of thing and I forget it. Anyway. [TS]

  Those are pretty tight and it makes me wonder what they think they need all that storage for I mean. [TS]

  The answer is to spool up H.D. Video. I guess. [TS]

  But I'm not complaining like I love the fact of the storage is generous but to go from what is the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Three as like eight gig or something crazy like that. And this is not for K. Video this is the same resolution. [TS]

  There's room for way more video to stay on the device which I I applaud [TS]

  but if you're an app developer by these things pretty harsh they do not want you. [TS]

  Using any of that flash storage device. Permanently. Yeah and I mean and you know. [TS]

  Even just as a customer trying to buy this device. They offer into capacities. [TS]

  Thirty two for one hundred fifty and sixty four for two hundred and. [TS]

  How do you as a customer like I mean I was either going to going to figure out some B.S. [TS]

  Way for the employees to explain in the stores and and half the employees are going to mess up the explanation [TS]

  and do it their other way and it's anyway. It's like the way they try to explain RAM on the computers. The courts. [TS]

  Anyway. How is a customer you supposed to know which one to buy because it. [TS]

  You know the actual benefit is most likely to just be that. [TS]

  Well when you hit a purge request it kind of sucks it's like it's like [TS]

  when you're in Safari your page contains a memory and I O. S. and You have only reload the page.. [TS]

  Next time you go back where if you have a whole bunch of really big apps and games on your new Apple T.V. [TS]

  And you go to one you haven't used for a while and a date has been purged since you last used it. [TS]

  Then that's going to have to read download. Stuff you're going to have to wait a second lottery download stuff. [TS]

  So getting the bigger one would make that happen less often. [TS]

  Or possibly never forgotten how many things you have on there. So that is the reason to buy a bigger one. [TS]

  How many people are going to know that though they might also say. [TS]

  Speaking of things that Apple Store employees as I know you can download more apps which is strictly true [TS]

  but you know how many two hundred men Yassir have the talent to make a dent in the extra thirty two gigs of memory you [TS]

  get like do that math. It's a lot. So I'm So what they're probably going to say is if you're going to. [TS]

  If you're going to be playing games on it you should get the big one. [TS]

  That's probably what the trouble how they're going to mess yeah. [TS]

  Because that you can download one gig levels I guess if you're. [TS]

  You know something with lots of texture as you get a two hundred meg game that on slow the on demand loads a huge [TS]

  number of levels and if you play that game a lot. It will be nice that it doesn't have to read download it but again. [TS]

  How many. Well I guess you could fill it with games I guess. [TS]

  I'm trying to think what is it is what video or undermine resources that are. [TS]

  You know I don't again there purge of all Bob or whatever [TS]

  but are there enough big games that you're going to be annoyed that if I play this game. [TS]

  And then I play that game and I go back to the previous game or the level gets purged. Maybe I don't know. [TS]

  I think this thing. [TS]

  Based on what we know now about what the story is going to use [TS]

  or I think the thirty two is probably big enough for most people [TS]

  and it's great that I can say that about the smallest capacity Apple device in any product category. Yeah exactly. [TS]

  And it all depends really on how much games actually take off on this thing. [TS]

  And like that because you know as you said earlier like there's so many hurdles for game developers to jump through to [TS]

  get on here. [TS]

  Now one of the additional hurdles is you're going to have to adopt this app that in modern And there's download on [TS]

  demand resources stuff like again it's adding more work to what this is I think it's going to be a tough sell for a lot [TS]

  of good developers especially when the installed base is starting at zero. But if this all comes together. [TS]

  But that's a big if but if this all comes together to the point where they sell enough of these things [TS]

  and apps are compelling enough and good enough and useful enough. On them that there can be a vibrant at market. [TS]

  And that's a huge. If. But if that happens. And there is a vibrant at market that forms in those conditions. [TS]

  Then this will be really cool. Because I do like the idea of T.V. Becoming app of FIDE. [TS]

  You know like the you know the I think the way to present it on like you know this is why we are going this way. [TS]

  I think you know. You can look at it partly and say well that's B.S. [TS]

  Because they couldn't make content deals in time [TS]

  but I think they honestly do believe that you know I think that really is where they think this should go where the [TS]

  think it is going. And that's right. [TS]

  Well that the content deals would be the same thing though when they like content deals would just be more apps. Right. [TS]

  Presumably. Yeah. [TS]

  You know because it seems like I mean who knows what they are what they're planning what some kind of T.V. [TS]

  Plan or whether it's just getting a look at a much apps on here. Regardless you know. [TS]

  They now have the groundwork laid for to go either way. So. So they they have the most options open. [TS]

  I think if you look like how people watch T.V. On. I Phones and i Pads. It is the app model. [TS]

  You know Apple does not sell. The package for your i Pad. Even though lots of people watch T.V. Shows i Pads it. [TS]

  You know instead. It's just you want. If you want to watch T.V. [TS]

  Shows now that you go download the apps for those shows or yellow devilish or whatever. [TS]

  You know so that's going to be good. This. You know this also gives them. Hopefully if Amazon. [TS]

  Makes an app for Amazon Video then this give them way to get out of the video on the Apple T.V. Without like. [TS]

  You know whatever you know. Competitive. Sucking up of their pride they couldn't do on a previous Apple T.V. [TS]

  Whatever that was so you know. I think this is a great model. If it works. [TS]

  But there are these big challenges to getting it to work that I do have doubts. [TS]

  I think if it does work it might be a very slow launch just because again. Starting from zero customer base. [TS]

  And I think that I think the the story to customers of why they should spend one hundred fifty dollars on this new box [TS]

  for their T.V. Is you know. [TS]

  It's not terrible but it's not it's not like this got to have thing that I have to go buy this immediately like it's. [TS]

  I don't think a lot of people are going to feel that that that like want that desire that lust to go get this right now. [TS]

  Well don't worry because by next summer Apple T.V. [TS]

  We've built into fifty percent to twelve years old you know what I will mother fifty percent over the one hundred him [TS]

  member. Eric Schmidt. Yeah. Speaking of a apps like television as apps. [TS]

  The current version of that actually a lot of crappy sides to it like the they're the crappy side of apps like I was [TS]

  when I was on vacation. I watched Mr Robot and humans and. [TS]

  I think was it Mr Robot as on USA and humans on AMC is an AMC app for i was in is USA up. [TS]

  Right now of course is also the website so I think maybe that was the first thing I tried I went to the Web site on my [TS]

  i Pad and. [TS]

  It's got a gym all five of you and it kind of plays but it was it was like start playing with [TS]

  and sometimes like it would go to the commercial break and not resume the show [TS]

  and like I should get the app that will be better. [TS]

  And it wasn't the apps were look like they were kind of crazy weather the use inside there and like. [TS]

  When I'm trying to watch humans very often. First of all. It was like my. [TS]

  You know all the things I was God for you can't scrub for one bless the other. So I start watching the show. [TS]

  And if I close the i Pad or had to come back to it later. [TS]

  It wouldn't pick up where I left off in the app it would not pick up where I left off. [TS]

  And it was start of the beginning again. [TS]

  And so I had to try to move the scrubber to the part where I am [TS]

  but if I scrub past one of the little dots that indicated a mandatory commercial break. [TS]

  It would move Discovery back and replay that same ad. And then sometimes when I got done with the ad. [TS]

  It would automatically jump back to being one point I believe. I spent over the course of a day for hours on and off. [TS]

  Trying to get back to the point where I was watching the program like I try every once in a while I would let It's been [TS]

  a lot of those are things sometimes I just let it play to try to get up to the Point four hours I think I spent on off [TS]

  trying to get to the scene where I left off in like a forty five minute television show. [TS]

  So I think the at model like hey will make will make of the effort this is the AMC or the USA album for our. [TS]

  Sorry for whichever network I am throwing under the bus that actually didn't have a problem [TS]

  but we're both pretty crappy honestly [TS]

  but the want to spend a really long time with is like the mandatory commercials [TS]

  and not letting me pick up where I left off. That's just unforgettable. And that was an app. [TS]

  That was not a web thing that was an app. So if the Future T.V. [TS]

  Is apps God I hope they're better absentees because these this was made by big television networks with a lot of money. [TS]

  With successful shows and the shows are good. But the apps were terrible and that. [TS]

  That is not acceptable no one is going to let your place a T.V. With something like this right. [TS]

  Like you just know unknowable except that like T.V.'s to be T.V. At the turn on it has the player has to be it. [TS]

  And then better T.V. Is like Tivo. [TS]

  And that's for like a you know a small category of readers who want to spend a lot of money in this box but. [TS]

  But bottom line is it's got a play. And if you try to play in the doesn't play if that's not T.V. [TS]

  Throw this thing away. [TS]

  So I really hope that whatever Apple's and enjoy content is as a result I like is the content deal just more apps [TS]

  or is it some different thing that AAPL works on that the example of right some kind of quality guarantee would they [TS]

  not let the AMC or USA apps. [TS]

  Ship best part of their Apple television subscription deal because they're just not good enough quality. [TS]

  They shouldn't because they're not. Yeah. My role went a lot next year to see if I can sling those deals. [TS]

  One more short button off. Pull it off. [TS]

  Please please no Dolly buttons I'm you know you're right like as we move towards this era of everything has its own app [TS]

  and every network has its own I mean we see the same thing happening on podcast which kind of scares me just for the. [TS]

  You know not only from the future of my app. Kind of perspective but also it has a listener. [TS]

  Because it does suck to have to go to like different publishers apps to watch different shows. [TS]

  And then the apps are a very different quality. And so you know not only can you not use. [TS]

  One good app to watch everything. But you have to go to all these different crappy apps to watch everything. [TS]

  And that does suck in a lot of ways however I think looking at looking at where we are with you know looking at how the [TS]

  our how i OS has developed in this way with with T.V. Content movie content how it was a develop in this way. [TS]

  The situation the Apple T.V. Has been obviously Apple has tried very hard to get some kind of like. [TS]

  You know normalize deal thing going and. We don't know if they've succeeded so far it seems like they haven't. [TS]

  But either way you know we really. [TS]

  I think this is kind of just like the best solution that we have given given the modern reality of the of the content [TS]

  producers in the content landscape like I don't think. Who knows Apple could prove us wrong. [TS]

  In six months and release such a plan everything standardise and you just pay them. [TS]

  But it seems like this probably the best they could do. Given you know. Given the reality of the market. You know. [TS]

  Right so. We have i Phones to cover but this is a natural stopping point. [TS]

  And we do not have a fourth sponsor in the strictest sense for this episode [TS]

  but I thought Are we thought it would be a good idea to take a quick moment [TS]

  and just call attention to a friend of the show Steven Hackett is trying to raise some money for St Jude's Children's [TS]

  Hospital and he has a long and. Well fortunate but I'm fortunate history of St Jude's his eldest son. Josiah. [TS]

  Has been diagnosed with cancer and. He has had a long struggle with it. [TS]

  Stephen has probably received Steven in his family has probably received a millions of dollars worth of medical care [TS]

  for free because of donations to St Jude. If they are just even didn't ask us to do this. [TS]

  We just thought it was the right thing to do so if you've made it this far and have a couple of bucks to spare. [TS]

  We'll put a link in the show notes on the sponsor section for where you can go to donate a little bit of money [TS]

  and I think would mean a lot to us and it would mean a lot to Steven [TS]

  and it would mean a lot to children really all over the world. Because except patients from all over. [TS]

  It would mean a lot to all of those people if you could you know. [TS]

  Script The other couple bucks and send it their way so if you're feeling kind. This. [TS]

  This September and have any money left over from any purchases you might be making. He stays. [TS]

  Please think of throwing a few bucks their way. [TS]

  Yeah it's really it's a fantastic organization I mean since you like what they do. [TS]

  I'm fortunate that my family has not needed this but I'm so so glad to see exists. In case we ever do. [TS]

  And for all the people who do. [TS]

  This is the kind of things like you want to place like this to exist it really does help society in such a big way [TS]

  and they just you know they just do such great work there and the fact that that you know it's. [TS]

  It's hard enough if you have. If you need to go to a child cancer hospital that's that's never a good thing. [TS]

  But the fact that you know. Imagine if people had to pay for this and if they had to then. [TS]

  You know deny care because somebody couldn't afford it or whatever I mean that's just horrifying. [TS]

  So the work they do is amazing. Go Go support St Jude. You know donate to St Jude it's fantastic. [TS]

  That's just like an example of like the most important blanket rule like you think well you know they're all kind of [TS]

  same or different doctors to hear with like the most important thing is like the. [TS]

  The blanket rule like doesn't matter if you have enough money. Like just take that off the table. Is that because that. [TS]

  That is the ultimate you know. [TS]

  Like you just you just can't think about like don't work like that was the most I think is the most important rule that [TS]

  if I have this does not matter how much money you have period. Everything else you can have plenty of or about. [TS]

  That's one of the things you don't have to worry about [TS]

  and that want to rule I think defines us entire place as like a place of safety and a good place like [TS]

  and strangely know that type of thing. Makes me want to give money. [TS]

  Knowing that if I give money is going to go to help pay for kids to get better. Right there. [TS]

  You know that kids are going to be accepted here period how can they do that because people give them money so you have [TS]

  to give the money so they can do this. [TS]

  Exactly [TS]

  and September is National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month which is why you see if you do it on this fund raising he [TS]

  does it every September and this is really great cause. [TS]

  So check it out at the link in the show notes or go to five twelve pixels dot net. And you can find a link there. [TS]

  All right. So i Phone six S. And if you're one of those crazy kids in the plus club. I Phone six S. [TS]

  Plus a nine tactic Engine three D. Touch. [TS]

  Better camera which I had for a fleeting moment I was very scared that the better camera had more megapixels then my [TS]

  fancy pants micro for thirds camera. It's not high salt probably one more here. That's the case. [TS]

  I'll be asleep there's a lot more to camera than just how many medic megapixels it is but I did get very scared. [TS]

  Just for a moment there. Anyway. This looks pretty good to me. It looks more feature packed. Then I think most S. [TS]

  Years have ben. It also has a new version of Touch ID which supposedly is a lot faster. [TS]

  I'm really interested to play with the three D. Touch I think that it's interesting I have mixed feelings about it. [TS]

  I think I'm going to love it and it certainly is very clever and different. But it also adds another layer. [TS]

  Sue an operating system and a piece of hardware that I think has been getting considerably more complex over the years.. [TS]

  If you think about my I joined the i Phone. I got my first i Phone when it was a three G.S. And that by comparison. [TS]

  Was on believably simple I think we were on like i OS dreamy at the point if memory serves I'm probably wrong about [TS]

  that but it was so simple by comparison to what we have today and it's interesting to me that we are getting closer [TS]

  and closer with all these options [TS]

  and gestures gestures from the bottom jesters from the left justice from the right just from the top. [TS]

  And now we have well did you touch or did you really touch or did you really touch and hold all of these different. [TS]

  Interaction. Mechanisms and paradigms. I'm not saying they're bad thing. [TS]

  I'm not saying that this isn't the march of progress I'm not saying this isn't good in the grand scheme of things. [TS]

  But I don't know I just had this weird feeling all day long after seeing the keynote that things are getting more [TS]

  and more complex. And this device that was kind of like this this. Haven. Of cleanliness and simplicity. [TS]

  Just doesn't seem so simple anymore. [TS]

  Do you guys feel the same way like like Marco do you feel like this is getting more more complex [TS]

  or my being crazy here. Now I'm actually felt that way for a while about many of Apple's products. [TS]

  I mean so just the other day at a so I've had an apple watch since day one. [TS]

  I discovered about three days ago that you can swipe down to dismiss notification. [TS]

  Rolling to dismiss button and trying to tap it in a way that isn't interpreted as a scroll. [TS]

  Like the fact that I have had to watch all this time. [TS]

  And I'm for all this stuff so closely and know that until recently. Like just shows you look just like there's so much. [TS]

  Hidden hidden stuff hidden shortcuts hidden features I think. I think that shows the doing a good job on shoe. [TS]

  Because the trick is to add the deep functionality. [TS]

  Without making it more complicated or for people who don't know or care about. [TS]

  So the fact that you could have a lottery a long time and not know that shows that you didn't need to know that. [TS]

  To dismiss notifications and be. [TS]

  Not knowing that it was there did not interfere with [TS]

  and like it didn't it didn't weigh on your mind you didn't have a button that was in your face like. [TS]

  I mean maybe you actually triggered it like that's the whole trick with all these things like I might accidently [TS]

  trigger and I think some of the stuff and I us. [TS]

  Lurches into that area like the notifications on our scene give I actually bring it down go What the heck is that right. [TS]

  Are double tapping the home button they don't know what that is that are seen before and just a black student. [TS]

  That's what you don't want. Happen. [TS]

  But for the most part Apple has been in a pretty good job of having all that advance stuff there. [TS]

  But if you don't know about it and don't want to deal with it it's not in your face. [TS]

  And I think a lot of the i OS seven simple vacation of getting in trolls out and trying to make things look simpler. [TS]

  While the same time hiding much more functionality and I thought oh buttons. [TS]

  It's blocking kind of a fine line [TS]

  and I'll have to try the story to touch thing to see what side of the line it goes on [TS]

  but it seems like the same type of thing of. [TS]

  If you don't know that it's there or maybe it won't bother you but [TS]

  when they show those demos I just had to think that like. [TS]

  There's a least two or three things that I think once people figure out that it's there [TS]

  and it becomes part of their vocabulary [TS]

  and I think it's perfectly within the realm of everybody to have this become part of our cattle [TS]

  or whatever it's called Long pressing for us touching or whatever on an icon on your home screen [TS]

  and picking one of three common things like even just to take a selfie which I showed like seventeen times. [TS]

  That's a good feature that people will use. [TS]

  It's better than launching the app is not so complicated I think people can't do it. [TS]

  And once somebody does it once the phone's going to feel broken if you can't do that on their game. You take someone. [TS]

  Take a teenager with a phone with I was nine who used to like two of those features and two apps that's it. [TS]

  Just to absent a home screen to use that thing all the time and put them back to I was nine. [TS]

  That like my phone has broken through the junk away. Right. And that alone. [TS]

  Like the doomsday scenario that Margot those emails I was one of every app you got along present hard Bresson a million [TS]

  things are spreading out you didn't mean it like you don't want that to happen. [TS]

  But I think the additional functionality provided by this. And I'm hoping. [TS]

  It is better than long pressing would be because I hate long pressing. I think it's worth it. [TS]

  I think we're ready for the next step in the interface [TS]

  and this functionality I think you can put in applications in the right way to provide shortcuts [TS]

  and extra functionality her able who want them without getting in the way of people who don't [TS]

  and lot of stuff they demo to already kind of pushing against a line like the whole thing of pressing a hard on the low [TS]

  Harry Potter photos or they start moving. Is that really a great use of force press or derided have a button for that. [TS]

  I don't know. Harry Potter smile more. [TS]

  When I was there was a Dolby demo not Apple [TS]

  but then again Apple that's everything as these things sold at them with the blame for it as well. Yeah. Anyway. [TS]

  The three D. Touch. Thing. I'm mostly optimistic about it and I was. I found a lot of their demos very convincing. [TS]

  And a lot of their demo was very very silly. [TS]

  So I guess we'll just have to try to ourselves and see it like here the test for it. [TS]

  If you pretend this feature doesn't exist does it ever bother you. [TS]

  And I'm hoping the answer is no like you know we get all get these phones start using I was nine I'm not getting this [TS]

  all right but anyway. Market will get it. [TS]

  Probably in that yearly plan I felt for Casey when I bought the van and like No Aaron we like you know. [TS]

  If you pretend to retouch does not exist because it does impact your life at all and I'm hoping the answer is no. [TS]

  And the second thing is now pretend it doesn't exist did you find anything useful for it. [TS]

  And I think the answer is definitely going to be yes. For like even if it's just for two or three things. [TS]

  And then the final answer is is every single place that's on top of it all Burberry three touch usefulness definitely [TS]

  know like even Apple even a thought they demo don't like. [TS]

  That's a little bit too much pressing really hard and i Phone screen Apple but you know it's like the you know. [TS]

  A twenty year old or whatever people and he was twenty percent of the auction ality [TS]

  but that's not even a general anyway. Ever only use a different twenty percent. So I am optimistic about three touch. [TS]

  I like the new little VI Brady thing. The little topic engine. [TS]

  I'm a little bit scared how much battery space that's taking up I guess to get some space savings [TS]

  and I said a shrink on the A nine. In Apple. Parlance in not so many words but yes. [TS]

  Well they shrunk the battery a little bit to them saying yeah Bashar and they have like the tactic engine is gigantic. [TS]

  Yeah and the screen is thicker. I'm excited by the tap tick. Engine. [TS]

  I'm assuming the battery life will be similar because it's a nest generation. [TS]

  You get the benefits of everything else using less power and having better parts [TS]

  and blah blah so it's probably break even if we didn't mention a by the way i Pad Pro. [TS]

  That they have this massive device with four speakers [TS]

  and have all of them from battery able to say you know what ten hours. [TS]

  It's the i Pad rule the whole the hard and fast i Pad rule. But is gigantic. Their tent I said. [TS]

  Ten hours what should we do the rest of space and more speakers. [TS]

  Well because I mean weight is the biggest problem there. [TS]

  You know like I mean it is the problem I guess it's megas heavy if you want. It's. Well it's already. [TS]

  Yeah it's already. Heavier than the first i Pad and it's bigger so I mean I I already think. [TS]

  Yeah I already think it's going to be. It will keep mine. [TS]

  A lot of people still want their i Pad to be his thing they hold up in bed and hits them in the face [TS]

  and they fall asleep like this all is going to do some damage thirteen inches coming down Yeah yeah exactly like that's [TS]

  why like. I really don't think they could have added more weight Believe me I am all for adding battery life. [TS]

  But I also know the batteries are very heavy [TS]

  and in this case in the case of the i Phone six I think it should have a bigger battery in the case of the. [TS]

  I Pad Pro though if it's already. [TS]

  That heavy with the battery it has I don't think they can afford to put more in there. [TS]

  Can I hear a loving hours or twelve. Anyway. [TS]

  And I'm sure it's fine ten I don't have problems I've had their lifetime ours as always always been honest ten hours [TS]

  not really one game but still like. I don't ask it. [TS]

  I don't ask my i Pad to do the type so I think I think you're right about weight becoming a factor [TS]

  but like if anything is going to be a gigantic thing you'll like this is it. This is the one. [TS]

  This is the one it's going to be super heavy it already is super heavy make it super heavy or. [TS]

  The fact that they use that space for like baffles for the speakers and I can sound better. [TS]

  I think it's kind of a good idea because that kind of a pro feature and if you are like. [TS]

  I do all my television watching my pet. And I do it all on my couch and on my bed. [TS]

  This is the one to get because the sound is going to be way better in the screen is going to be gorgeous. [TS]

  As Way too many pixels to show Tenet even D.-O. [TS]

  But what people care of you can do picture in picture and browse for all you're doing it whatever. [TS]

  All right we're going off on a. I Phone six and I agree with you is on the sex. Battery life. [TS]

  They didn't didn't say anything about it today. Don't think so they said it was the same. [TS]

  Yeah I mean like that's what they're going for it will probably be same issue. A lot of friends of ask me Hey is the. [TS]

  I Phone six a good phone to get an especially Gulf getting for like five cents tops like. Yeah like. You know the S.G. [TS]

  Narrations usually great to get if you don't haven't had a phone with Touch ID touch a day is awesome. [TS]

  You could totally get it. The S. [TS]

  Generation is usually have fewer weirdnesses than than the first one in terms of like if they've made phones the size [TS]

  and shape before. [TS]

  But this one has more internal changes than usual and so I guess the battery is a question [TS]

  and maybe the tapped again just a question based on the wonkiness of the topic engine in the. [TS]

  The initial watch and sometimes now when I feel my Taplin wrist and like it's just getting lighter than it used to [TS]

  but I think I might just be imagining things anyway. I have the same problem. [TS]

  Yeah it working just getting tapped numbness and iris. The cameras a little bit better like it has the three D. Touch. [TS]

  The Seems like a really great phone to me. The only reservations I have are. I guess. [TS]

  Battery life and then I guess maybe three touch to go horribly wrong on the X. and Y. [TS]

  Activated all the time make you pay the phone. [TS]

  But that's about the only bad things I can even worry about in the slightest about the sauna Otherwise it just seems [TS]

  like a really good phone to me and actually this is my first time guys. My first time. [TS]

  Feeling bad that now I don't have the good i Phone. [TS]

  And I felt that I totally felt to them like Oh this is what everyone's to talk about the sucks. [TS]

  Because I was I want one I want I want to do all this stuff. [TS]

  Because they never updated the i Pod Touch you never had to worry about the you know I [TS]

  when they did I just bought it I always just bought. [TS]

  But I looked at this and I'm like why shouldn't buy this will just wait for the seven. [TS]

  But you can have one now for starting at twenty seven dollars a month or whatever. And I think that all that deal. [TS]

  By the way. [TS]

  Casey to talk you out of doing this to I'm pretty sure the deal is a worse deal than just buying yourself a new phone [TS]

  every year. I think is just like a sophisticated way to loan money. In pay interest. [TS]

  That's I just look at every two seconds. But I think that sort of. Yeah I haven't done the spread sheets or anything. [TS]

  I think that's right. I think. You stand to make a little bit of money. So to speak. [TS]

  If you were going to get Apple Care and going to upgrade annually. Then you may shave a few dollars. [TS]

  You know a little bit of money. I don't know about that. I think. [TS]

  I thought I saw banks name associated to makes me think that it's a little for people who have cash flow problems. [TS]

  It's a way to like it's just it's just a loan. [TS]

  Like we will give you make these payments there is some interest so it is more expensive in the long run than paying [TS]

  for it all front but if you don't have the cash to pay for it all up front and break your contract or whatever. [TS]

  Do this. [TS]

  Someone seems like someone's making money oh this is not seem like something that would be done at the goodness of [TS]

  anyone's heart to let you get a new phone every year for less money it's got to be of the same money or more money. [TS]

  But you're not that is a good idea. [TS]

  People have cash flow problems and they want have a new phone every year [TS]

  or even just for convenience for people who have plenty of money. [TS]

  Like the groupers of the world who risk their going to get a photo bring every year and don't want to think about it. [TS]

  But for me what I thought about is what I really like the seven S. [TS]

  Me it comes on I don't like it then like I'm a you don't have to get the I can keep going through the thing [TS]

  but I just feel like I want to on a program I would. I would stay away friend just you know. [TS]

  Reserve the right to keep a phone for like four years of I really hate. Certain round of. [TS]

  I Phones But again I say I was just being someone who was sad that my phone. Now sucks because it's not a success. [TS]

  Yeah. Isn't that isn't that terrible. So you're not going to get yourself a success. Now I'm not going to. [TS]

  I mean I'm Macas eight years overground lot of pretty good at what I use is the promise of the as yet undefined [TS]

  nonexistent seven. [TS]

  I have no idea what the seventy AD like but it can be amazing and that will give me the fantasy of the seven. [TS]

  Yeah I mean you're going to want that next year. You know that. Well I'm going to get the seven. [TS]

  You know I'll not get my wife to get the second. I don't get it. So everything. [TS]

  I'm actually I'm as much as I as I read on I actually am looking forward to. To the star three D. [TS]

  TUCKER going to pay for stocks did Apple just realize it's a creepy name just not using it. [TS]

  See Fed said for such [TS]

  and the keynote as well it's probably been forced touching to like the marking people decided three weeks ago that was [TS]

  going to be touching so Federici [TS]

  and everyone else at Apple keeps calling for such before is force which is always a terrible creepy name but anyway. [TS]

  So you know whatever of recalling those shortcuts three D. Talked it over there I'm looking forward to that as a user. [TS]

  Because you know. A That cuts down on having to reach for edges and corners. Which makes larger phones more usable. [TS]

  Including both the six. And the six plus for people whose hands are normally sized. So I'm looking forward to that. [TS]

  Just as a user just like you know let me try to think that and of course as a developer I think you know. [TS]

  Usually every developer. Myself included rationalizes hardware purchases. [TS]

  Unnecessarily by saying will I need this for testing. So I do it can make my app better and you know. [TS]

  Sometimes that's true. Lot of times it's not. I think in this case that actually might be more true than usual. [TS]

  Just because if this three D. [TS]

  Texting takes off which it probably will because it's a really comeon shortcut on the most frequently used computer [TS]

  most of us use. So if it takes off and it doesn't suck the way John you know you said a. [TS]

  You know you could theoretically flake out and be a reliable but if it's good and. If it works. [TS]

  I think it's going to be a pretty big deal for app design. [TS]

  And so I think developers should should be paying attention to more than usual for an i Phone release of this. [TS]

  But we're probably going to buy it anyway. One question. I didn't read in pain of attention. [TS]

  Does the i Pad Pro have three touch. And if not why not. I don't think it does. They didn't mention that it all. [TS]

  I mean is there. [TS]

  Like there's a stylus the presidents the reason the stylus right it's not in the screen yes a slender standing. [TS]

  But on the phone. [TS]

  The person's to every seems to be in the screen so maybe the i Pad protos doesn't have the hardware for yet it seems it [TS]

  seems like it is not there at all anyway. Doesn't matter I mean they they can achieve it through the pen anyway. [TS]

  And you know one thing they can achieve it through your finger those what I'm getting at if you buy an i Pad Pro [TS]

  and you press really hard an icon on your home screen i Pad Pro nothing happens right now that's a good question. [TS]

  Yeah because that. If you get used to that. [TS]

  It's like that one year where they had text ID on the phone but they didn't have an i Pad Yeah. [TS]

  Yeah and you kept it just kept pressing your finger on these little convex concave home button [TS]

  and nothing would happen like the thing is broken. [TS]

  Yeah like once you get accustomed to that in one on one I was device yet you can't do another one that that's. [TS]

  That's a problem. Yeah well hey. [TS]

  Next year you get to get the gotta make make all the people buy a new i Pad Pro every year. [TS]

  Just the same way they buy a new MacBook every year for the same price. And we find out. So I don't know. [TS]

  It'll be interesting to see how this house all shakes out I am a little disappointed also. [TS]

  I had tweeted about this earlier. [TS]

  I'm a little it would even get really a chance to talk about the keyboard case much but I am disappointed that. [TS]

  It seems like there's nowhere to put the apple pencil. Anywhere in the i Pad or indicate where you can put it. [TS]

  The whole house. Quote To quote Steve. [TS]

  That Steve Jobs thing that I maybe I just imagine [TS]

  but I still always think about what should I do with this I'll show you what you can do it. [TS]

  When he just just plug it into the lighting board it's super convenient [TS]

  and out on a tiny little metal thing it's easy to break off and stab you in the belly button. That's going to yeah. [TS]

  Thank God it has allegedly very good battery life [TS]

  and charges very quickly because that is a recipe for just breaking those things off everywhere. Yeah. [TS]

  Or just it's another recipe for people to make art as an ill handcrafted would car. [TS]

  Like Frederick found on a beach holster is for your pen that has a Lightning connector built in will be HC started four [TS]

  in ten minutes or they're going to sell a lot of those pens. It's a pencil not a pen. Sorry. Pencil. [TS]

  Concentrate on the phone now. What we're talking about a Good grief you can do in a long shape. [TS]

  They just add an ass in a box anyway. It seems like you you want to talk about about the phone Katie. [TS]

  They are moving to four K. Video. [TS]

  And that's kind of exciting and also scary since it's still being sold in sixteen gigs and you do the math [TS]

  and say after you have the zero S. and All the standard apps and stalled. How. How much four K. Video can you. [TS]

  Record before the singles up. [TS]

  It depends on the bit rate but I can tell you it's probably on the order of about ten minutes. [TS]

  I thought somebody did the math and said thirty that was an inclusive of the O.S. [TS]

  Also some some talking real time follow up. It is a self are crystal lens cover as per the specs page. Nice right. [TS]

  So never mind that press. I mean. And yeah four K. Video is huge I mean the fact is like. [TS]

  You can look at the entire rest of their lineup. Where like the i Phone. Their flagship product. [TS]

  That makes them the most money has the Sting's year storage pricing and not the lowest prices to start by the way. [TS]

  Like you know this is still like a six hundred or a device the stingiest storage out of the whole lineup. [TS]

  And there is no other explanation for this you like I heard like I was talking to two friends the Sharon a Richie a he [TS]

  were he just wrote a article about this was a lot to find a link in the show it's of like why are they still [TS]

  or why might they still use sixteen. Sixty four one twenty eight. [TS]

  And this some kind of like a difference in RAM types in like the Flash RAM type. [TS]

  That's available for like one of them cheap one of the expensive and not available new capacities [TS]

  or whatever so that that that could be a reason.. [TS]

  You know with the i Phone they have to do things in such large volume compared to the other products over the Z. [TS]

  The reason is because the six did. That's the answer. [TS]

  Why did the success do it because six in any and then you ask why did the six do it [TS]

  and then you can get into the RAM types and the size and a lot of stuff but it's a shame it way. [TS]

  And they were as you know their life's not our problem is Apple's job to figure out how to help make products that [TS]

  aren't crappy Right and. And they sell lots of thirty two gig flash products that very cheap prices. So you know it's. [TS]

  It is not like they can't do it. And I think. [TS]

  I think the real reason here is just because they know that it drives up the average selling price of their most [TS]

  profitable most successful product that. [TS]

  That has to be the answer you know they know that top as I'd been never break that down for us like we assume [TS]

  and like with the whole anchoring [TS]

  and Slike Well I don't want the smaller I don't want the big on the middle one with the middle one of the you know like [TS]

  the whole irony thing is that surely a thing. Apple probably does know but I don't think we can know unless maybe. [TS]

  Again Horace knows who he does some crazy algebra. To solve. [TS]

  Simultaneous series of equations to figure out exactly how many sixteen's But like I don't know the mix is like the [TS]

  sixteen just seems like I'm on i Phone and i want to get out. I want the cheapest i Phone possible. It used to be. [TS]

  You guys are or mac users in the days [TS]

  when even i Phone is the best selling product in the Apple product line used to be the most expensive one it's kind of [TS]

  like I'm around like this The Phantom Menace trailer was downloaded Apple is like. [TS]

  And most people downloaded the biggest version the trick like well. No Double Star Wars fans. [TS]

  Given a choice of what size would you like to see the trailer heard the new Star Wars where you were getting your whole [TS]

  life for the biggest is the answer and so used to be. What's the best selling Apple laptop. [TS]

  The most expensive model not counting seventeen This is presenting. But that changed. [TS]

  Many years ago when Apple became more of a mass market thing [TS]

  and now I don't know if that's the case maybe it still is like where you feel like all the five as is obviously the [TS]

  best selling phone. But doesn't get into capacities. Sixteen. [TS]

  Are people like I really want i Phone six and the cheapest way I can get it is sixteen like. [TS]

  I worry that it that size is sucking people in because they really want the. The new i Phone. [TS]

  And that's the cheapest way they can get it [TS]

  and there's just this is not a good product if you like happening aside undermine resources aside that product gives a [TS]

  persistently bad experience in ways that are super frustrating to regular people sick thing gigs is not a pro. It. [TS]

  I couldn't agree more and I feel. This is all anecdotal but I feel like more and more regular people that I know. [TS]

  Have lamented to me. Just in general or because I am. [TS]

  That Apple guy they know about how Apple is written terrible software because they can't upgrade their O.-S. [TS]

  and Their phone is always full and everything's always broken and it's all Apple's fault. [TS]

  And explaining to them that they bought a cheap phone doesn't usually and well so. And it is about like. [TS]

  Here's a thing like every phone is going to run out of space eventually if you filled with stuff like. [TS]

  But we know the failure mode is so bad and we know regular people have no idea what to do. Like and. [TS]

  I Cloud thing is another example of that it's the dollars box keeps on not tell me I can't back up with like all those [TS]

  tell you much a really bad. [TS]

  You just gotta try to find a sweet spot where most people fit within it and sixteen is not sixteen just to love. [TS]

  I mean they keep making these like for cave video the size of the pictures and now you're still pictures [TS]

  or also videos. Forget it like sixteen gigs. Just terrible. [TS]

  It's to understand why they're probably kind of stuck with it for the sex. And I kind of understand. [TS]

  The RAM thing to be good at making the battery smaller that's not the time to add more RAM. [TS]

  They really need to fix this. [TS]

  In the seven I really helped I'm super excited about the i Pad for having four gigs like that shows that maybe someone. [TS]

  You know Couldn't have to like I think you could maybe get away with it with two gigs. You know. [TS]

  But like four gigs after the i Pad Air two had to that's a positive trend I really helping sort out with that I know [TS]

  we're mixing RAM and memory kind of like who was a did that make you know Phil Schiller somebody. Ram and storage. [TS]

  But anyway. Both on both those fronts. They've both been problematic for different reasons. Sixteen gigs. [TS]

  Friends don't let friends by the sixteen gig. I Phone six S. They should have like a fund. [TS]

  Just a giant pool or a tech nerds who will lose sleep. [TS]

  If people they know have sixteen gig don't just put money in a giant pot.. [TS]

  And every time something goes that Apple store and buy the sixteen gig six six S. [TS]

  The Apple personal said oh and by the way. [TS]

  Even though you've chosen a sixteen gig mom about to give me your credit card I can pull money out of the giant jar [TS]

  and give you thirty two because no one should own a sixteen. All right so the only other thing that I thought was. [TS]

  Well that I thought at this hour the night was really interesting about the. The six. S's. Is this live. [TS]

  What they call my photos that are the photos you know the Harry Potter photos. [TS]

  I can't decide if this is freaking brilliant [TS]

  or the cheesiest like animated a Moji thing that I've seen since animated a Moshi I think it's nice especially. [TS]

  I found this too I find myself not regretting how many pictures I've taken of my kids [TS]

  but wishing I had more video video just seems more onerous to me and this is a nice sort of compromise that. [TS]

  Like I would use this feature had it because I like to have a little bit of. You know. [TS]

  I like to see them in motion hear what the squeaky little voices sound like you know. [TS]

  I have video of plenty of idio but I feel like I wish I had more video. And I think I've got them. [TS]

  Photographically cover by which I'm already on of this is the way to get more people to take more video you just need [TS]

  if you say and feel like. What was your kid like. When he or she was five or two or seven. [TS]

  And just gives enough of a flavor of it to feel like especially since their sound. Involved in that. [TS]

  I don't think you take every picture like this especially got a sixteen gig phone. [TS]

  But it's cute I don't I don't like the fact that you have to like press hard and it goes all blurring comes back [TS]

  and I don't like that whole interaction. For doing this. Yeah. But I like the idea that it. You know. Takes video. [TS]

  It's one of the fun things you can do never really fast processor. In your phone. Right. [TS]

  They said a couple times I'm pretty sure this is the case that. Those are twelve megapixel videos.. [TS]

  Which is higher resolution than four K. [TS]

  So they're actually like that that little video clip you're getting there is better than what you can get for can. [TS]

  That's a feat. [TS]

  Sure that they on on actual expensive dedicated cameras for a long time it was you know a high end future to be like [TS]

  and while you're shooting video you can shoot stills in the middle of the video like you know. [TS]

  Phones have crappy processors or whatever but at a certain point even the crappy processors [TS]

  and dedicated phones were fast enough and surely of A [TS]

  and nine is plenty fast enough to do this for limited amounts of time Bob Of all the so it's perfect for this feature. [TS]

  Like they've got the camera. They've got the capacity. The not. [TS]

  It's not like it's taking like zero of than your photos going to be like seven twenty P. [TS]

  or Whatever you're human four K. Full rez the whole time. But for a short period of time. I think it's. [TS]

  I think it's cute. [TS]

  Honestly before the event based on just the rumors we had heard I was not that excited about the i Phone six S. [TS]

  and I was actually thinking about not getting one for the first time I have the the first i Phone of ever skipped [TS]

  regional. Yeah. But. But you know I also I'm not going to buy a watch. [TS]

  Right exactly and you know I can buy an Apple T.V. or An i Pad Pro. [TS]

  One of those I think will be true I'm not sure what it's worth I think it has not given I promise I'm sure right about [TS]

  the very of my many for. That is very very likely. [TS]

  Isn't it isn't it weird by the way that this is the first year where the. The tending sized i Pad. [TS]

  Did not get an update. [TS]

  And also didn't get a price try to dig at a price I didn't know the heir to is the same as last year's it [TS]

  and it's still the same as maybe they already here anyway the air too was so over spec going to introduce it has more [TS]

  headroom. It's interesting that we are now. We're now back to the point where we were when. [TS]

  When the Red many was first launched cases blood the retina Pad mini. [TS]

  We're back to the point now where the only difference between the many and the big one is size and hundred dollars. [TS]

  That's as it should be I feel like you know the same thing like I think it's appropriate for. [TS]

  Or the success to have to exert RAM and I think that's true of the soul everything's. [TS]

  Everything's Coming Up Milhouse even even the color like you know is going to painkillers a stink screenshot so it's [TS]

  not that we think well. All right and wrong. It's not pink. It's a rose gold. But the Rose Bowl that's pink. Yeah. [TS]

  All right so the hell the make of that trying to wrap it up based on what we've seen today. [TS]

  What do you guys planning on buying out of these products Casey. [TS]

  I am pretty sure that I'm going to be getting a new retina Pad Mini I might try to hold on until I can play with an i [TS]

  Pad Pro just so I know that I'm making the right decision. But I will. [TS]

  I will be stunned if I decide no no no I want to thirteen inch i Pad. [TS]

  I absolutely will be getting Aaron [TS]

  and I both a success we are not crazy people so we are not get it we are not part of the plus club. [TS]

  and fifty fifty on the Apple T.V. Sitting here now going to say no which means yes I just haven't realized it. John. [TS]

  I'm definitely getting the Apple two hundred percent of the i Pad Pro. I can see myself getting it. [TS]

  I really have to try it [TS]

  and see I what I really get I'm totally gung ho for the I bet Pro I want this project just not sure I'm going to be the [TS]

  one to buy it I would love every single feature on it i Pad Pro. [TS]

  And i Pad air tire size device with a thicker border around the screen for me to grab and I think that sounds [TS]

  but that probably doesn't exist. Have to evaluate the i Pad Pro. I am I get it because I'm i Pad. [TS]

  I Pad three Going to a lot to do with these days I do a lot more and my phone because just so much faster. [TS]

  So I will I will definitely check it out. [TS]

  No new watches for made no success for me my wife will probably get a success. And I will be buying a new Apple T.V. [TS]

  To find I are both going to get the six S. and The. The i Pad I. [TS]

  I mean I think I'm going to skip it I looks really interesting for people who aren't me. And it's. [TS]

  It is a lot of money I think if I if I'm going to have a small device with a medium out of battery life that has a [TS]

  crappy keyboard. That's really portable I think I'd get another map one. I think I did that would fit me better. [TS]

  Because I really am more of a mac person than a nice person for getting quote work done you know the kind of stuff I do. [TS]

  really is better on a Mac. Even even a small slow at the back a board I'd rather have that. I think that an i Pad. [TS]

  So right off. [TS]

  I forgot the crush cases up like streams [TS]

  and I realized maybe I don't need to crush a mobile I was going to Russia was like I was assuming that you would want [TS]

  to store the video on their own house can have local storage. [TS]

  or break you just use it as a client all the video was on yours and all a genius for transcoding on the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Maybe it won't crash or dreams. Yeah I will say I mean my assumption is that the Plex stuff. [TS]

  Would work basically as it is now which is I just remember my solid G. and That's all I need. [TS]

  But we'll see what happens. Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week. Cards Against Humanity. Casper and fracture. [TS]

  And don't forget to check out the St Jude donation that we talked about earlier for some temper being shouted Cancer [TS]

  Awareness Month. Thanks a lot two or three sponsors and that. And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. [TS]

  They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental but it was accidental. JOHN KEY see with him.. [TS]

  Because it was that the death toll was accidental. And she was going to find she did a P.C. [TS]

  And if you aren't for Twitter and. He was no says. That's keep lists and the team are cool. Take the risk you who did. [TS]

  I like who did it first or. [TS]

  Because I think that covers a lot of the whole I mean I didn't hear a lot of those complaining maybe because I'm not [TS]

  traveling the circles but like. [TS]

  Like I saw someone post like an old comic when the service came out of showing like yeah they do I thought the give [TS]

  or cover. Guys keep our covers exist for the i Pad. You know it's not. You can you believe Apple did a thing like this. [TS]

  Yep. I can tell I believe it everybody can believe it it is not a surprise. And it is not unlike. [TS]

  And if anyone is out there complaining like was Apple be like we are the first people to make it. [TS]

  No they didn't they didn't have all. [TS]

  They didn't even do their normal thing of like we think this is the best one ever and past one another once people [TS]

  and had a crappy didn't even say that it was like I don't I saw that they did they did. [TS]

  They did not say this is the first time you've seen it but they did say this is the best when you've ever seen [TS]

  or something like that. [TS]

  I promise I gonna I mean is that the best the best thing they've ever made anyway whatever I just did seem like that [TS]

  was not a big angle [TS]

  and I had if people are angry about it I didn't see them in my feet are people really getting anger like people have [TS]

  made pens before Ababa like making the like they invented the pen no they weren't. [TS]

  I think the thing is it was just so egregious and so obviously [TS]

  but also to the degree just like there's again like who did it first or the freakin Newton. [TS]

  Like for crying out loud and has another company. It's the same company with Apple Apple did that. [TS]

  Like I just you know. It's like take take Touch ID is a great counter-example. [TS]

  Touch ID was taking the same idea and making it better or better [TS]

  or if you well let's not why not even be better it's just a keyboard cover a lot of text making for years. [TS]

  Like you know just like when it was a port. [TS]

  Yeah you're making my point which is Touch ID It was like remember the little swipe the thing like I had I'm like yeah [TS]

  order to it was like that but they made it better. Whereas what they've done. [TS]

  Looks like a straight rip the surface keep it but it's not a straight rip it's like of this is the time [TS]

  when they're going to add new features to their progress not as if they didn't think you future possibly for they were [TS]

  not adding them because they weren't possible Apple had the stylist patents go on it like. [TS]

  How many years ago we've seen stylus patents like just. [TS]

  It's just like when is the right time to do this it's not like we can't figure out how to do it [TS]

  or whatever it's them deciding what is the appropriate appropriate feature set for our products [TS]

  and doing it so I do you know. [TS]

  I didn't see that complaining [TS]

  but a little tiny bit bubbled up like seriously is this what people are on about because I didn't get that vibe at all [TS]

  from the keynote it was more was more like Iowa state where like. [TS]

  Some people couldn't get over the fact that Android had these features. Whenever also like yeah. [TS]

  But now I was has them and we like I was so excited to get them. And we've been saying for years they should have them. [TS]

  And they should do the. Well you're copying Android. I think is even more of a case of like Android. You know palm O.S. [TS]

  or Web O.-S. For crying out loud have all of these ideas with a card metaphor in the multi has like. [TS]

  It's just ridiculous the whole the whole idea of worrying about who did something first in these basic functional [TS]

  things like I can't make a computer with a mouse someone already did that no. Just put a mouse on it sign. [TS]