The Accidental Tech Podcast

132: Digital Hearth


  So anyway C.S.O. I posted my mega review of my beloved Tom been kid at which I just put in a chat. [TS]

  HUME A shower we shower me with praise about how marvelous it is is one of those bags it's like that just covered in [TS]

  like. [TS]

  Various like buckles and straps and nylon things [TS]

  and well no there's there's plenty of pro level photography if by pro level photography I mean how would shorten blank [TS]

  in Marco's pictures that this. [TS]

  Well this isn't it because it's just not but how would I take pictures of this when I'm pertaining to be Sean blank [TS]

  and Marco. Well OK that'll work. These pictures are actually pretty good. [TS]

  I mean I can nitpick them if you'd like one of them I didn't have the if the folk are the aperture was all wrong the [TS]

  one where the bag is open the big part of the bag. Bits of it are out of focus I should have the very last one. [TS]

  None and. What's wrong with the very least one as I was not a bit down. [TS]

  Some of the best photos are near fall because I was looking at these on my phone and like that the fabric pattern. [TS]

  Knows that repeating pattern thing when it shrunk to small size and it looks crazy I thought. [TS]

  I didn't realize until I looked at it on my mac here that it actually has a uniform color [TS]

  and it is not like pave layer plaid that life is that the more I had friends that the more effect I wanted [TS]

  when it scales it down I cleverly avoided trying to pronounce there waiting for new suckers to fall in that sort. [TS]

  So she want to do want to do some follow up we should probably do some follow up. We could start with Adam Luther. [TS]

  Who wrote in to talk about. You know to to live in a sea John would you like to correct the error in your ways. [TS]

  Last episode I mentioned that I didn't need to have a tatoo eleven ac in my house because I don't have an eight [TS]

  or to eleven ac devices [TS]

  but I don't lose it was a first person to point out that that's not true my i Phone six the Zeta two eleven ac. [TS]

  So there you go at it was with me all along. Other than that though I think I don't have any. [TS]

  Because I don't think the five S. Out it right. [TS]

  Not think the Afghan six with the first one will also like how useful is that because typically transferring large [TS]

  files to the i Phone is limited by a lot of factors including wireless [TS]

  but also including like this is the right speed or the flash can't really write any faster than ever to eleven [TS]

  and speed there are that more to it just more like well if you're. If you have crappy ratings to the base station. [TS]

  Or if you have a crappy signal then your little bit faster on AC than you would under under and. [TS]

  Yeah I don't even know if that's true. That's speaking of. I guess. [TS]

  But this in the fall of my wife I based a sion story. The wife of a stations have started arriving. [TS]

  I say multiple because Marco. Saying that he was going to get back to me on which exact date they should he had. [TS]

  He instead of getting back and he just sent. What he had you know. Going to you they know. [TS]

  I want to get rid of it right. Hence so it arrived. And so I've got the stupid tall tower. [TS]

  Thing Apple's that's not the current thing right I guess is there aren't generation. [TS]

  Did you enjoy the Nexus seven as well [TS]

  or whatever that is God took so long to charge the only charger we had was it like the Kindle charger [TS]

  and must like not high voltage enough so that the plugged in for like a day and a half tell finally started up. [TS]

  I tried this is the Nexus seven I try to out I was using You Tube out like maybe I can if used to watch you do videos [TS]

  is just another little thing to toss around the house but the youtube app was like. [TS]

  There is an updated version as have a veiled ball. [TS]

  And it was weird to be told that like inside the You Tube app in like in the. [TS]

  I guess with the little web page it was rendering for the video. [TS]

  So I was like Alright I'll tap the thing that it wants me to go to an interrupt me to the Google Play store [TS]

  or whatever it is and it says this version of the huge about is not compatible with your device and. Well never mind. [TS]

  So it was kind of disappointing. I got them. I got an email with it. [TS]

  You forgot to delete all your accounts and I tried to delete them blacks whites. [TS]

  Sideways on them and all my US just are not working. You know what I don't know how to use Android. [TS]

  But it's not bad for some things that just maybe check your email I think I like the Iowa stream a lot better than the [TS]

  and right which surprised me very just need to get used to it or this could be an ancient version. [TS]

  But it plays You Tube videos. So it will probably find some home in our house. Given to some child. [TS]

  To watch your two on. [TS]

  I don't think that [TS]

  when they don't to let me see their so they can you answer some in supporting Meloy in their house [TS]

  and of course a bunch of other people who saw my tweets are shipping me their old flat like the flat. [TS]

  Airport Extreme The ones that I like one of those arrived and hooked it up and used it [TS]

  and I actually had to call Verizon to get that to release the IP couldn't feel like waiting a long time I just couldn't. [TS]

  Like I used to be able to with a Verizon one get it to release before I disconnected. [TS]

  And this time nothing I did would to get it to relay so I actually had to call them and it was pretty painless. [TS]

  I didn't talk to one person they knew what I was talking about use the knew what I was talking about immediately [TS]

  and they just did it. [TS]

  And I was fine I mean it wasn't you know [TS]

  when that pain was I had just the way it for they on hold time of like five minutes or whatever and then. Anyway. [TS]

  So the flat one. I have this is the model. [TS]

  One four zero eight I believe a one four zero it works better than mother when the signal travels farther. I can. [TS]

  You know visit some rooms that I have so much couldn't get signal before now we can. So that was exciting. [TS]

  What was that one had. [TS]

  I think it had two revisions and then they look the same identical era on the outside but the newer one. [TS]

  There were some test maybe on on tech a long time ago. [TS]

  And that's why that's why I had originally bought that one because they had shown that the range was dramatically [TS]

  improved in the later version of it. [TS]

  Yeah mine was really really old so yeah and like that [TS]

  and these in general Apple things are not known for having good range and there was a big deal [TS]

  when Apple started improving your height finally the range is not her renders it's merely like you know. [TS]

  Middle of the pack or that it was the apple. You know the mac oriented websites and review it. [TS]

  In comparison to the old airports and to curtail their price of a huge improvement [TS]

  but compared to contemporary even compared to just the Verizon router with a little. [TS]

  You know that one seven year old out of the they gave me that one had better range than any of course I buy the new [TS]

  flat Airport work rate. [TS]

  Then eventually Marco's arrives remember Marco the reason I didn't want to call two reasons one. [TS]

  It's like that big article tower thingy. [TS]

  Because it's the same case that they used to put the hard drive in for the time capsule. [TS]

  Only the the plain old router one doesn't have a hard drive in it [TS]

  but it's got the same case with the place with a hard drive a B. Which is nothing in it which is just silly. [TS]

  I mean it's a economies of scale that I have to have two different. You know. Devices to manufacture. But anyway. [TS]

  And it's really tall and I like the place I have mine is. [TS]

  You know I was investing into being kind of like the flat one [TS]

  but gone up vertically is actually smaller than that the footprint so the footprint a smaller [TS]

  but a taller vertically and the second thing is of course of the thing has a fan. And that offends me. [TS]

  You know but I don't want to I don't have fans. [TS]

  I don't like the idea that it needs a fan because it means that it gets so hot the passive cooling isn't enough that it [TS]

  needs to have active cooling in [TS]

  and of course the design of the thing doesn't have any holes on top of the case so they had just made a chimney case [TS]

  than fast. Going would've been fine. Never mind all the empty space in there with a hard ever supposed to be. [TS]

  And then to the question do they even need the fan is the fan only there for the hard drive [TS]

  and a time capsule version is no pointed to the other could you stop the fan with the thing overheat. [TS]

  But you know of course the main thing is I don't want anything that makes noise anything else that makes noise around [TS]

  here especially since when I'm playing destiny. It's. [TS]

  You know within not an outstretched arms reach it's like right next to the monitor that I play Destiny. [TS]

  So who's going to make any noise. I was going to hear. Well let me tell you the fan in this thing. [TS]

  Totally passes my forty year old years test of silent Wow. [TS]

  I am surprised you could maybe test the staying behind a screen is a turn on is it not. [TS]

  I could not tell you I could absolutely not tell you now maybe if you were younger person. And you had better hearing. [TS]

  You could tell. But like you know most home my house. No cars on the road. Complete silence. [TS]

  I put it on a move like you know and arms like the way from an. [TS]

  I can't tell that it's put up to your yeah you can hear doesn't make noise like there is no is there [TS]

  but from from arm's distance. I'm held enough that I can hear it so getting old does have some benefits to go. Nice. [TS]

  And so I was testing I'm testing the signal strength you feel like the flat one in the tall one. [TS]

  And like a thief and not a C. and Suffered five bigger it's not working on separate five. [TS]

  Anon vibrator it's not work and it's kind of a wash like it's hard to without real devices for testing or whatever. [TS]

  If you just go up and do like speed test and signal strength tests going by the number of bars. [TS]

  There's too many variables in virus [TS]

  and Gualtier for me to tell I don't know what it is that the neighbors what their wife was doing is that some neighbor [TS]

  using a microwave oven like who knows. [TS]

  Both of them have much better signal them or one [TS]

  but I can't definitively said the tall one in my house anyways any better than the flat one. So anyway. [TS]

  I'm going to eventually saw to the side in which one is going to keep They all work with my printer they all. You know. [TS]

  Imported my router configuration just fine like they're all. [TS]

  They all work and all the ones that I don't use I would give away to someone else. [TS]

  You can pack them on a box with nothing between them and just make a big brick and some of the Casey. Yes like Apple. [TS]

  Even with this tall one. [TS]

  I stole and the apple is like at the top of the class in terms of signal strength [TS]

  and distance is the office every every time I do a test of just the. [TS]

  The entire world of third party routers is always some other model that gets the better signal strength [TS]

  and better a distance in the apple [TS]

  and spot the out what the absence of going from it I can use Apple's apps to manage them.. [TS]

  I can import my old configuration and it works with my printer plugin by a U.S.B. [TS]

  I will also to point out in in the realm of very very quiet fan technology. When. [TS]

  When to Scott her five K.M.'s last fall or two to expand the storage. We bought a little thunderbolt S.S.D.. [TS]

  Enclosure it holds for as is D.S. [TS]

  And it had this really loud forty or sixty sixty millimeter fan in it I [TS]

  when I wanted some research I used to be a quiet P.C. Nerd. [TS]

  I have purchased dynamo that before and it was not for my car. [TS]

  Anyway so I did some research on what what what is the quiet fan to buy today. [TS]

  And I discovered knock to a fans so I did was I took out the old fan. It was standard fans enter plug. [TS]

  Put put in one of these not to a things in there and the sound difference is incredible. [TS]

  Same airspeed really like a tell like you know roughly I mean it is just incredible how quiet. [TS]

  Fans are today when they're designed to be quiet. And it's kind of sad how many still aren't designed to be quiet. [TS]

  Like the one that came in this multi hundred dollars under-vote enclosure for no reason at all is incredibly loud. [TS]

  Anyway. So yeah. Not to a fan's. Good stuff. That's another way of speaking of bags and enclosures and. [TS]

  I've always her blog about as I probably should but I'm sure I've talked about in the show. [TS]

  One of the ways to build loyalty for any product that you're selling that is a physical good. [TS]

  Over the long term is not a good way to like get your company off the ground they have over the long term is to pick a [TS]

  few essential things about it that you won't compromise on mostly having to do with der billeted. [TS]

  So if you're selling enclosures aside. We're going to use Diablo the most expensive fans we could possibly find. [TS]

  And we are just. [TS]

  Going to raise our price by the amount that hurts us in terms of you know how much extra that fan costs. [TS]

  Or take it into our profit margins with it [TS]

  or like bags we are going to find the board's most reliable as a person buckles and. [TS]

  We're going to be like of all the like every time one of our bags gets damaged in some way we're going to replace it [TS]

  for free we're going to ask them to send us the one that broke and we're going to look at the failure [TS]

  and try to figure it out and keep improving and improving. So that eventually if your company stays in business. [TS]

  And you know for a couple of years you start getting a reputation of get blah blah blah enclosures there. [TS]

  They're solid their power supplies never fail their fans are silent get blah blah bags. [TS]

  That to Seems don't rip the zippers don't break all the boxes work [TS]

  and if they don't they're placed them like this gives it like oh you're just telling everybody be high end it isn't a [TS]

  Great to be high and everyone needs to be Snap On Writing need to be the world's most expensive. [TS]

  Whatever you going to be. [TS]

  But I don't think that's the case I think you just have to have a reasonable reputation for quality mean I think this [TS]

  does eventually push you a market kind of like Weber grills [TS]

  or whatever eventual A You're trying to cashing in on your name and. [TS]

  Even though your product may be a reasonably good you to keep charging more [TS]

  and more for that you have to try to try to stay in the middle like I would say Craftsman tools. [TS]

  Not the best quality tools in the world. [TS]

  But they are they have they gained their reputation for being if you break our tool you can bring in [TS]

  and they will replace it for free forever. I will make it reasonable quality and. [TS]

  I think they have a good reputation among customers are trying to think of other brands that are like the L. [TS]

  Being is very similar I'd say. Yeah. [TS]

  I mean again it's hard to push high in but I'm trying to think of like I mean Apple. Idol is one example. [TS]

  But like they have gone for something else they've gone for like aesthetics. [TS]

  And that type of quality they haven't really. God for gerbil it may be like. [TS]

  I don't know something like that Sony Walkman that was like yellow with the with the big rubber gasket All right up yep [TS]

  yep have to Sony ever had the reputation for that particular thing had their reputation [TS]

  or I am thing more like power tools and stuff like that [TS]

  but anyway in the world of computers I wish there were more manufacturers who more successful manufacturers who [TS]

  differentiated themselves. On Dura billet easy. I guess. I mean it's been tough on the P.C. [TS]

  Industry at these where I'm in the phone industry consolidation. It's just been a cut throat business and just. [TS]

  If that there were companies that distinguish themselves and I wave [TS]

  and gobbled up because it was enough to sustain them. [TS]

  I'm hoping as the insides of electronic components become more [TS]

  and more a commodity that there will be somewhere room to differentiate on this on these axes like. [TS]

  None folk [TS]

  and you think of a phone with a reputation for billet I can't say no I mean the Samsung one that's waterproof I think [TS]

  is an interesting move Samsung changes what it does every year like you know. They're they're just very. [TS]

  They're they're not. [TS]

  There's no coherent vision for the reputation they want to do except for the reputation as we make good phones that you [TS]

  want to buy. Please give us money. [TS]

  And Apple is so concentrated on thin and sleek and [TS]

  and beautifully designed it which is fine like that's the reason we like all their stuff and everything [TS]

  but they're not kind of like the ruggedized. [TS]

  You know craftsman at all being type of of that if there is there is no manufacturers like that for electronics that [TS]

  there should be because we're kind of at that stage in ours like MIT some people maybe some people want them [TS]

  but there is a manufacturer like that for camping supplies for mountaineering equipment right for you know car repair [TS]

  tools imagine snap on like those ninety five to do exist in a more sort of rugged manly field [TS]

  but I think is a place for them in electronics because it's such a quality of life if you like [TS]

  when you buy that multi hundred dollars under both enclosure and they have Like. [TS]

  A two cent fan [TS]

  and there whatever's like please just spend the extra fifteen dollars for the expense of an added to the price. [TS]

  If it's a multi hundred dollar thing like I'll pay it. [TS]

  And if you keep doing that consistently I'll say hey if you want to buy inclosure same thing with power supplies if you [TS]

  know by enclosure by this enclosure because the stupid power supply brick. [TS]

  Speaking powers of like you know doesn't die [TS]

  and speaking about my life my router is just as I was about to open up by fire out [TS]

  or with my son which is a thing that we do. When the electronics dies tear them apart. [TS]

  I thought you know before practicing open want to try plugging it into one of the power supplies that came with one of [TS]

  the replacement once. [TS]

  It was a power supply to died or the right of the dive in turns out it was the power supply they got fried. [TS]

  Not the router. So that's so. [TS]

  My old one I mean I didn't test the test about my old one turns on the light doesn't you know like before the amber [TS]

  light would come on and are now it starts up eventual turns green. [TS]

  So I'm pretty sure with the power supply that would still means I would've been out a router [TS]

  but what I was know I was going to buy like a separate power supply for it. [TS]

  But we took apart the power brick Apple's power brick you know it looks like. That's a kind of like a. [TS]

  Looks like everything else they make like a white. Rounded rectangle. Thing. Boy those are go. [TS]

  And like the I don't like the I think they got I'm assuming it involved a heat gun. [TS]

  You know to listen to it he says but I don't have a heat gun. [TS]

  All I have his pliers screwdriver is another blunt instruments and that was difficult to get open. But inside. [TS]

  Looked pretty nice. And that thing lasted at least seven years probably longer before. Power Surge. [TS]

  When not connected research pressure killed it so Apple usually bikes pretty good tires applause. [TS]

  I've bought extra hard drive enclosure is that have gone through multiple of these power brick things those are usually [TS]

  the weakling. Yeah in fact like the power brakes are usually such cheap. He says of crap that. [TS]

  I really have tried to avoid buying peripherals that use them. Like anything that can be bus powered. [TS]

  I will almost always pick that option now. Because power supplies. Like either they die early. Or they start like. [TS]

  They start a wine or a buzz and. I've had so many likes cheap crappy power supplies. [TS]

  Apple does well here I remember that article showing what it looks like inside Apple's laptop powered up there [TS]

  and then and side like a knock off. Let's suppose that made to look like. [TS]

  And then knock off that it showed all the components they were missing and. [TS]

  You know it's just that I got basically ran wires from one end to the other [TS]

  and Apple's was filled with tons of like tiny Severus not resistors [TS]

  and trying to you know like Apple does a good job with those things ole. [TS]

  I mean their stuff you know getting healthy Mart. [TS]

  Profit margins when you buy them from [TS]

  but that is that is a wise investment of money as they they look silly on the outside that is a white. You know. [TS]

  Rounded rectangle things with plugs and you think they're all the same. [TS]

  And it could be argued that apple chips out on the wires and cells because they have to be thin [TS]

  and beautiful in the strain relief isn't there whatever. But inside the actual brick parts of the power bricks. [TS]

  For the most part up was done a good job with that over the years one to be fair one of the reasons why the apple wires [TS]

  tend to die over time. [TS]

  You're right part of it is that the more strain relief really entry really was ugly so they don't do it. [TS]

  But also part of it is they go on their environmental checklist they want to be like everything free. [TS]

  And some of those things they've checked off the environmental checklist over the years are things that make really [TS]

  good long lasting power cords but also might cause cancer or something so so you know like they. [TS]

  They have actually had to change the materials over time to be things that are that maybe are more brittle like some of [TS]

  that some like the soft plastics and rubbers like more brittle now in their little stiffer and the crack in. Yeah. [TS]

  You know they change the material like [TS]

  when you got a collection of Apple hardware it's particular the cords power cords. U.S.B. Cables. [TS]

  Lightning cable thirty pin connector cables if you have been buying Apple devices for a long time you actually save [TS]

  this stuff like I do the student aspects of one. [TS]

  Obviously they're some of the my age differently because something that is five ten. You know. [TS]

  Years old is like Was it always like this into the just get like this because it kind of dried out over time so you [TS]

  can't really tell but to even relatively new things the difference and sort of the bend ability. The surface texture. [TS]

  If it holds a kink like some there was wrapped up in a tight little bundle in the package [TS]

  when you unwrap it how long does it take to get an kinked. [TS]

  I have some Cagle cables that are like a year old that are still can't. Other ones. [TS]

  Curled right out into a smooth thing someone feel smooth. [TS]

  Some of them feel rough on the outside some of them are still some of them are floppy the different thicknesses. [TS]

  I have is Wonder is like. I guess is probably intentional but it's like you said Marco. [TS]

  Which part of this is we were moving from materials of the best we could do in the next year we figured out we can do [TS]

  even better than that still without the arm from of Heroes which ones had the harmful materials in it [TS]

  and so they were like knife is nice if they could make them. [TS]

  Without the constraints of environmental correctness and everything. So large variety in cables from Apple. [TS]

  I'm assuming the insides are similar. [TS]

  Like what I was worried when they got rid of the whatever the lead in the solder [TS]

  or whatever because they alternatives are known to not be is. [TS]

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  They're like a five by five square it's about the size of a little smaller than a CD case if anyone even knows of those [TS]

  are anymore. Do you remember the trick to open jewel cases properly he ever learned their trick. [TS]

  Yet the three finger thing. Well that's. You just open them. Yeah. No it's on the right edge. When you open a CD case. [TS]

  Does it like snap open after some force [TS]

  or you pull you in the middle of how does a problem I just open them they up there the hinge on the back they open like [TS]

  books right. No They they they snap. Open if you don't do it right so the way to do it right. [TS]

  Is So take your take your left hand. Take your middle finger straight up. Thumb straight down. [TS]

  Index finger kind of out. So as if you're making like a three like a peace sign with your thumb out. OK. [TS]

  Take your middle finger up top. Your thumb. You pull up the corners of the of the case lead from that. [TS]

  As you're pushing down on the case with your index finger. [TS]

  So you pull up the top and bottom of your pushing down the center of the right edge. [TS]

  And then it swings right up and if you actually can find a jewel case to try to soften it will change your life. [TS]

  If the if you still have or open jewel cases. But you probably don't anymore. [TS]

  This is unbelievably useful information for fifteen year ago Casey. How did you not know this. [TS]

  No I did know this and that's I think that is how I open the jewel case but I didn't realize it was a right [TS]

  and wrong way to John's point it's kind of opened it. I've got a joke as well thing right here and either. [TS]

  Like I don't see a wrong way to open it I don't see of what. [TS]

  Like I'm trying to open it in all sorts of wrong ways like. [TS]

  If I just pick my finger and like it on the set it opens every time. [TS]

  Like it's not what most most people will do is they will just take one finger at the index finger [TS]

  and try to pull up the center of the right edge. And then it kind of like snaps open. [TS]

  I've never I've never seen that technique I always have a fingers on the top edge of fingers on the bottom edge [TS]

  and the other hand. [TS]

  Crosswise on a pressing in the middle thing does disengage the locks been if you don't press in the middle. [TS]

  If you just pull up with your fingers that way it comes off pretty much the like they're not they're not stiff. Anyway. [TS]

  Thanks a lot the fracture for sponsoring our So once again. So we are in August. And we are in the slump. [TS]

  The doldrums of August. [TS]

  And we have little to nothing to talk about some With that in mind we're going to try to entice you to listen to the [TS]

  rest of this episode. [TS]

  By discussing a couple of different things and we thought we would start by me having an ex of central crisis. [TS]

  What kind of computer I want to replace my personal. Fifteen inch high rez anti-glare MacBook Pro. [TS]

  And if you recall I've just gotten a fifteen inch Retina MacBook Pro for work. [TS]

  But I've been telling myself that I will. I'm waiting for the sky lake. [TS]

  Fifteen inch refresh to get a new personal machine. But I was thinking about it recently and I started to wonder why. [TS]

  What I use my personal computer for my personal mac is almost nothing. [TS]

  It is unbelievably slow as compared to both the new work computer [TS]

  and even the work computer that it that the new one replaced. [TS]

  Because my personal want to still using a platter hard drive which is unusable. [TS]

  I don't know how anyone does this anymore. It's unusable. [TS]

  So the a reason I have both a work [TS]

  and personal machine is because I like to tell myself that I'm keeping my personal files on my personal machine. [TS]

  And my work files on my work machine. And they will never mix or anything like that. [TS]

  Do you want to guess how often I really do a good job of keeping my personal files off my work computer. Not at all. [TS]

  Everything in my drop boxes on their. One password is on there. A lot of my pictures are on there. [TS]

  All of my music is on there. Everything is in are twined. [TS]

  So I'm wondering if there's what is the point in insisting on having a fifteen inch laptop for my personal machine. [TS]

  When really the only thing this machine consistently gets used for is a plex server which started me down the line of. [TS]

  Joe I even really need a laptop and. If not what do I get. I don't think I want a Retina i Mac. [TS]

  For reasons I can't put my finger on. But I just don't think I want that this dose of anon right now on. Well OK. [TS]

  Shore but if I was going to get I mean I don't want to night Macas what I should have said. Do you want to mak many. [TS]

  Maybe you want to macro. That would be a terrible turn of events. But no I do not want to macro. [TS]

  But I guess what I'm driving at is like. What is the purpose in maintaining a personal machine. That is portable. [TS]

  That I could take places when I'm never ever ever going to take that machine places. [TS]

  Even if I had a unbelievably also personal machine. In all likelihood. [TS]

  I'd probably take the work machine so on the slim chance that I have to do work [TS]

  when I'm on this phantom theoretical vacation. I could do so why do I need a fifteen inch. Laptop. [TS]

  When really I could probably save two thousand dollars. And just get a mac mini. [TS]

  Well first of all you couldn't because it is impossible to get a nicely configured mac mini for much under a thousand [TS]

  bucks. [TS]

  I mean or still looking to the work computer that that work gave me was something like thirty one hundred dollars. [TS]

  Right well yeah but the difference between like the base model which is two thousand. And that is you know. [TS]

  It's I wouldn't say it's fifty percent better. Anyway because the matter. [TS]

  So number one you answer the phone number one is Are you sure you don't need to beat for it to be portable. [TS]

  And you know you said you know you just bring the work laptop and that makes a lot of sense. What I recommend. [TS]

  If you can you know if this works for you. I recommend. Whatever you get Consider that you will leave. If. [TS]

  If your job allows this. Leave your work computer at work. If you bring your work computer at home than. [TS]

  You know obviously a blurring the line between home and work and. [TS]

  And you know that's as you said that's something that's not ideal. You know ideologues. That's not overdone afraid and. [TS]

  You know obviously you know whether your job expects you to be working on the side is. That's up to you in your job. [TS]

  But if you can leave your work computer at work most of the time. [TS]

  That's worth considering because that gives you really good isolation that. [TS]

  Then you can't bring your work home with you. [TS]

  You can leave it connected to the monitor and stuff it work have your windows stay in place. John. [TS]

  And you know it's it's really nice to have that separation honestly. [TS]

  Unless you have to be frequently doing work at home. Then it's different. [TS]

  But if that's not a frequent occurrence if you can usually do work at work only then that can be really nice. Yeah. [TS]

  I don't think I can get away with it I understand it completely agree with everything you just said [TS]

  but I work from home often enough. Even like in the evenings or occasionally on the weekends or just to. [TS]

  You know quickly fly guess I was going to say quickly fire off an email [TS]

  but I could do that on any computer that doesn't require a full bore work machine. [TS]

  Does the work that you occasionally have to do at home. Require that it be done in your work computer. Or can it be. [TS]

  Can you log in to the stuff you need to log into on a computer. Oh I was going to say I suppose I could like. [TS]

  What was almost at R.G.P. Because I'm showing my windows colors now. But I could yell V.M.C. Into a machine at work. [TS]

  If I can punch a hole through the firewall I suppose I could put the work V.P.N. [TS]

  On my home machine sounds like too much work going to get your McRib up. Whatever Apple Remote Desktop. Right. [TS]

  Anyway it's a point is I probably could do that but in all likelihood if I have a work laptop. [TS]

  I would almost certainly take it home. In no small part because in this fear radical. [TS]

  I'm not going to have a laptop of my own. And I'm going to have either an IMAX war or a MacMini. [TS]

  And so I'm going to want to laptop to use in the house. Even for personal things. [TS]

  And so I would so I would want to have the work computer at home anyway. OK so then. That's the other question. [TS]

  So we know Aaron has a math book air that is usually dry. Now. Are there times when you take your work computer. [TS]

  Out of your home office and work around the house with it. Yes. Yes there are. [TS]

  That happens frequently and well for example the blog posts that we talked about earlier that may [TS]

  or may not have made it into the show. That was done sitting on the couch with next to Aaron. On my work laptop. [TS]

  As long as you're comfortable. Continuing to have the work laptop. [TS]

  Have this dual role of being the work computer and also your half flash even maybe primary home computer. [TS]

  If that's something you want to continue. Then. Sure. Get a mac mini for for your for your home server. [TS]

  If you actually and consider running it headless. [TS]

  Because like at that point like what do you really even doing with the next Many like. [TS]

  I have a mac mini here running headless it's doing our live stream [TS]

  and it serves my I suppose a giant share from the NASA [TS]

  and then it runs back later to back it up over ice because he runs a couple other like you know. [TS]

  Task Type things like I have that and it runs plex which I never use they hate it because it turns out. [TS]

  You're the only person in the world who likes plex. Please all you're going to get so much email my friend. [TS]

  The truth is that I'm the only person who doesn't like it I think. I think that is more accurate more effective. [TS]

  But anyway. The mac mini is fine for that if you plan to run it had those but it is not a good deal. Performance wise. [TS]

  A fifteen inch comes very very close to the performance of of. Most of the i Macs and really the whole line up like a. [TS]

  Fifteen and even the base model. Performed extremely well relative address of the line up. [TS]

  The mac mini is kind of the opposite the mac many you pay. [TS]

  What is relatively speaking you pay a lot and you kind of get a little for it. [TS]

  It's also very rarely updated obviously the current model is very old. [TS]

  Even Want to update it still doesn't get to be a great deal. It just gets to be a less bad deal for a couple of. [TS]

  But it is never a good deal like. You know you look at what it actually costs to spec one out to be reasonable. [TS]

  Like for instance. I don't think you want a platter hard drive in that either. Because this is. [TS]

  You know this is not a fast computer. [TS]

  You know what decade is this you want to be running twenty four seven I would put an S.S.D. [TS]

  and I did I put it I put the. I think it's to fifty six. [TS]

  I didn't go crazy with it because I didn't need that much space on [TS]

  but you know your mileage will vary with that you know you have. [TS]

  You have the Nats for your book storage anyway so I don't have help like that but probably no way that I hate. [TS]

  But if you want to actually do work on this new computer at home. And really make it your home computer. [TS]

  I would say either get an IMAX. Or get another fifteen inch though he's been doing it. [TS]

  Yeah and that's the thing is that. I just I can't. [TS]

  I don't know what it is that some sort of mental hurdle that I can't get over.. [TS]

  But I think to myself if I'm going to buy. If I'm going to buy an i Mac. [TS]

  I would always choose a fifteen inch Retina MacBook Pro over the IMAX and I wish I could explain why but it Just. [TS]

  The Imax for me seems so silly it's so big [TS]

  and unwieldy Maybe that's why a landing on the mac minis because it's not big it's not on the wieldy. [TS]

  I could run it headless if I so desired and. [TS]

  I guess if I'm going to get something that's so that such a physically large machine. [TS]

  I'm going to want it to be something I could take around the house [TS]

  and you can't take an IMAX around the house I'm sure everyone has had that story of seeing. [TS]

  Yeah you never want to see that guy again. [TS]

  But for the purposes of this conversation you cannot move it around the house. And so that. [TS]

  I guess what we're saying then and I'd like to hear John's two cents in a moment [TS]

  but I guess what we're saying is probably go ahead and get the fifteen inch MacBook Pro. [TS]

  Even if all it doesn't sit there and run. Plaques non-stop and do almost nothing else or. [TS]

  If that really is the main reason you need it. Just get a mac mini because a laptop is not always on. [TS]

  It is really really nice having an all week on Macs server for roles like that. [TS]

  If you're really going to keep your main personal use on your work computer if you're not going to be like using this [TS]

  computer much at home. Then get a cheap MacMini and be done with it. Yeah. [TS]

  But you have to decide like is that really what this is for because a Macmini is a better home plex server than if you [TS]

  can use map a pro. I guess maybe transcoding if you. If it's doing heavy transcoding it would be. [TS]

  But although it would be. It would do that in silence and has hardware Internet port. So keep that in mind. But. [TS]

  And you can even put next year T.V. [TS]

  and Use a steel iron use a bunch of crazy stuff on there if you want but I wouldn't. But you can. But anyway. [TS]

  You know mac minis are great for home servers if what you really want is a home server. They're not good deals. [TS]

  You can never find good deals on them used either. Because everybody wants a cheap MacMini. [TS]

  So the used pricing on them. Is not that much cheaper than getting a new. So it will never be a good deal. [TS]

  But for the role of a home server it is really nicely and mind. It is it is as silent as the macro under load. [TS]

  It isn't a fast. One of the reasons why it can't be. [TS]

  It only have my own has dual core doesn't pay stops on the quad core ones. So. These aren't. [TS]

  Amazingly fast machines but they're really small. You can put them anywhere. They have. [TS]

  You know they're all hardware it's all hardware Internet hardware sound ports hardware. H.D.M.I. [TS]

  and Everything is you don't have to have a bunch of dongles are vulnerable doctors or anything. [TS]

  And just sit there in silence and not bother you. [TS]

  Whereas a laptop running a laptop headless [TS]

  or in clamshell mode rather is not a great idea for a while I know people do it I know [TS]

  but it's not a great idea for long they don't tend to last as long that way and there's lots of like. [TS]

  I think our fight you want they don't really want to be around that way [TS]

  and you have to always kind of work around it was the screen actually honored there is the US trying to fight me [TS]

  and keep the screen honored as did not see that I put it to sleep and it's always it's always kind of a mess. [TS]

  Trying trying to get a fifteen inch to be to run headless I'm religious [TS]

  and a mac mini will always just do that for you like it will it will serve that role better if that's what you really [TS]

  want and. Really quickly I should point out. And the chat room is already. Give me grief about this justifiably.. [TS]

  The right answer for a plex server is absolutely without a shadow of a doubt a really cheap P.C. [TS]

  That's just sitting there and doing nothing but serving plex but I know the new estimate manager P.C. [TS]

  The honest to God That's exactly right. That is exactly why I do not want that I have to manage the P.C. [TS]

  and Have to worry about it I yes I know a lot of people the species P.C. [TS]

  Fans are saying you have to do all those with a Mac. Well you know what you're right but I'm used to it. [TS]

  It's just another one that I have to think about. Whereas managing a P.C. That would be the only P.C. [TS]

  In the House actively being used. [TS]

  It's making me think about a bunch of things that I really just don't want to have to worry about. [TS]

  I'm already worrying about you know the. [TS]

  The El Capitan upgrade for my machine for for my work machine for Aaron's MacBook Air. [TS]

  It's not going to hurt me to worry about it for one more computer. [TS]

  So I understand that that is unquestionably the right answer. In pay on paper it is not the right answer for me. [TS]

  John how would you handle this. Where is your a warrior. [TS]

  The canonical photo library is on the fifteen inch personal MacBook Pro [TS]

  and on the spinning platter hard drive that never turns off. I don't know I don't like laptops I think this is. [TS]

  I think one of the or things that you alluded to before as. You don't like the idea and a lot of people I think. [TS]

  Who are not special people learn techniques like the idea of a large piece of furniture basically in their house. [TS]

  Being a computer and I think you like the idea that the laptop. When you close it. [TS]

  It's basically you came see a just little flat thing a desk when it's open it's not that big. [TS]

  You don't want to dedicate. [TS]

  Like I most respected don't mind as I mean just look at Marco's computer room or even my for that matter. [TS]

  You don't want the thing where the dominant piece of furniture in a room or on a desk or whatever is computer related. [TS]

  Like I got my back tire on the floor I got my monitor I got the speakers Margo's got monitors unstoppable place that's. [TS]

  That's something like that sounds like you don't want that that's why you're kind of resistant to the idea of [TS]

  and IMAX on exist just. [TS]

  It's physically imposing and you can't put it away [TS]

  when you're not using your eye McAdoo still specially the big red no I'm still a big twenty seven inch screen the just [TS]

  can't get rid of and it's just blocking your view out the window and you know whatever. [TS]

  But I thought I would think of that for two things I think every. Every home every technique home anyway. [TS]

  Needs the kind of like a digital hearth. [TS]

  Which is like the biggest nicest screen where you can look at photos [TS]

  and movies in the family could gather around them if they wanted to look at them. The doesn't move. That is the. [TS]

  That is like sort of the main repository of the things that you care about in the home so it's constantly connected to [TS]

  both network and local backups. It's got a really big screen. It's probably the fastest computer. [TS]

  And that's where you would you know. Do all that you know you go there to. I don't know like pay your bills. [TS]

  Look at sort through your photos edit your photos. [TS]

  Like look at a funny You Tube video with the family or the kids or whatever. You know. [TS]

  Watch a new movie trailer that comes out I guess you do it all in front of T.V. [TS]

  Bug off its bottom a steep price where the damn but. Anyway. I wouldn't hold your breath on that. Yeah. [TS]

  But that's what I'm thinking of like for the I read you're right that it is going to be a large imposing physical [TS]

  presence right. [TS]

  And then I think you should have a very small light laptop like an arrow the mac book one that you use for hey I don't [TS]

  want to stop right now talking to my desk I want to be able to run around the house but I'm that small light laptop. [TS]

  You should not have your family photo collection you should have anything you really care about their it should just be [TS]

  like your Dropbox your other never connected stuff. [TS]

  And if you drop it in a cracked in half not a big deal because of stuff that you care about it's more stationary [TS]

  and then you should also have a mac many [TS]

  or something like that doing your data serving on a network at the end is like a start getting expensive at that point [TS]

  right here where you're trying to do is like. [TS]

  I don't want to have a big giant desktop you were the big three and a small light laptop [TS]

  and a little server you're trying to find one machine that's going to do it right. [TS]

  And as far as that's concerned if you don't want to begin posing piece of furniture and you know that dynamic is out. [TS]

  I would not do any personal stuff on your our computers I would resist that urge because that just gets you into a bad. [TS]

  Pattern I think. I don't like the idea of a family photo library being on a portable machine. [TS]

  Because then I'm like What are you going to remember to hook it up to your local hard drive to back up. [TS]

  Probably not as often as you want and network backups are kind of trickling in happening over time [TS]

  but if you're not careful. [TS]

  The machine could be asleep for a lot of the time [TS]

  or the lead closer some other way where you're just not backing up as much as you should be. [TS]

  And I don't feel comfortable with like your entire family's photos. Your main local copy. [TS]

  As of like two or three days ago being on this thing that you could drop accidentally or something but. [TS]

  But it sounds to me like that you basically kind of made up your mind that you want to be able to you don't want to [TS]

  begin I'm accepting a desk [TS]

  and you want to be able to run around the house for whatever reason with a giant fifteen inch laptop. [TS]

  Instead of a white one. [TS]

  So that's what you've got to get it just feels like a terrible compromise to me because it is a machine that is not [TS]

  really good anything like you're just wandering around your house [TS]

  but that you've already got a portable laptop just like that to go to and from work. [TS]

  And this one is just so you can wander around your house with that just like you would. [TS]

  You would separate your concerns better if you had a big mostly stationary computer that looks nicer [TS]

  and performs better. [TS]

  And then a really small thin light one that you can take to see that there's no chance that I'm going to rock a three [TS]

  computer solution where one is work. One is an IMAX and one is an air. It's just not happening. [TS]

  When you leave the work went to work like Marco said like has a no reason to bring that home. Now. [TS]

  No it does nothing to do with moving things it's just that scene that's stupid.. [TS]

  There's no need for that I would definitely choose a fifteen inch Retina MacBook Pro over a twenty seven inch i Mac. [TS]

  Or whatever it is and a a or slash MAC one. [TS]

  That being said the more we talk about it the more I'm starting to come to grips with the idea that maybe a [TS]

  and I'm back is really what I'm looking for even if I don't want to admit it to myself. Well because here's the thing.. [TS]

  And i Mac. Can serve all the same roles the mac mini servers. Because it's stationary. It's always connected. [TS]

  It can be always on [TS]

  or at least you know it in the power nap kind of weirdo thing I don't know didn't use that A doesn't matter. [TS]

  Mine's always on it just has a screen turned off. So you know it can serve all those home server roles. [TS]

  And also be your digital heart those Johnson because I love that the great analogy. Another thing to consider and. [TS]

  This could go either for or against a Depending on how you look at it. You have this. [TS]

  You're looking at this computer to be purchased. Now your kid is almost one. [TS]

  So you will probably have this computer for what four years. Let's say four years. [TS]

  You're probably even for a longer honestly if you look at it like an Apple does top and. You know just knowing. [TS]

  You know knowing that you're not me. [TS]

  You're probably going to have a for a while so that means that whatever whatever computer that you choose here. [TS]

  You're probably going to have. From your kids. Ages. You know one through five or something. [TS]

  And so you have to be like [TS]

  when you have a three to five year old running around your house are you really going to be getting a lot of work done [TS]

  on a laptop. Yeah. Yeah it's a good point. I doubt that severely like. I mean I know I just know. [TS]

  John you can tell us as you have twice the experience but I just know from having my one kid [TS]

  and him being three right now. I could never get work done on a laptop and you were outside of my office. I have tried. [TS]

  It doesn't happen it like it just it's that's not. [TS]

  That is not compatible with the reality of having kids at home and it's. [TS]

  That's not you know good or bad thing that's just how it is their job and you to change that. [TS]

  So consider your next three to five years of the kind of work you'll be doing in your house. [TS]

  And where in your house you'll be doing at what kind of situations. Maybe you won't want to laptop. [TS]

  You know because you'll recognize that you can't really use a laptop. Went with a kid running around and get much done. [TS]

  Or maybe a one laptop because your home office. That you would have a desktop in is upstairs. [TS]

  Near your kid and then you're him. And maybe you won't want to be up there. While your kid's asleep. [TS]

  And you're trying to get work done. [TS]

  You know where you do things a big factor because if you're kind of special you have a habit sort of like honed over [TS]

  years or having that top use like. Where do you find yourself doing your desktop web browsing. [TS]

  If at all the answer is sitting in my bed with my laptop on my lap. [TS]

  Well down next not going to help you there like if you don't have the HAVEN'T to think about where you use your laptop [TS]

  at home are you sitting on the couch are you sitting on your better you're sitting in your favorite chair [TS]

  and expecting to use a mac in those locations than those habits are going to be very difficult to break. [TS]

  If you've always been a desktop person you know. When I want to use my serious computer. [TS]

  I go sit down and like you know with Marco set up in my computer chair in my computer room. [TS]

  At my computer desk to use my computer. Then everything else is. I Pads or phones. [TS]

  And then if you happen to have a spare laptop around if you need it. [TS]

  It's five most of the laptops for travel [TS]

  but every bit of your habits of the reverse of that you're going to be sad if you get an IMAX because you're going to [TS]

  like oh I was so used to sitting down in front of the T.V. [TS]

  and Watching football but also noodling around with note on my laptop. [TS]

  Well you know I could go do that with the mic which is why I start which is why you should also have an error by the [TS]

  way. [TS]

  What you're describing exactly the correct situation in that I have only ever had laptops since my like junior year [TS]

  college I think. And so. Because of that. I'm used to sitting on the couch next to Aaron and maybe we're watching T.V. [TS]

  Maybe or watching football maybe she's not watching T.V. While I am but I'm also fiddling with node. [TS]

  One way or another if. If I have a laptop. I can be around Aaron. Even you know after our after tech when goes to bed.. [TS]

  Whereas if I have this i Mac. [TS]

  I'm implicitly ignoring Aaron because I'm up in the office doing whatever I want to be doing and. She's downstairs. [TS]

  Maybe reading on the couch maybe watching T.V. Maybe doing something else entirely. [TS]

  But that's probably where the IMAX falls down the most is that I would. [TS]

  I would be implicitly ignoring Aaron anytime I wanted to use the computer that I would want to use a very much because [TS]

  I'm sure that once I saw it I would say I would know how beautiful was and how much I enjoyed using it. [TS]

  But I think it would end up. I would I would end up hating it because I would be your NG Aaron so much. [TS]

  Well you can do you know these are the set up I have. [TS]

  Here which as has had its bumps [TS]

  but maybe it will get better going for it which is a big really nice Apple display hooked up to a really small thin [TS]

  light laptop. And so right now my wife wanted to do stuff with a laptop so she took it out of the room. [TS]

  And she's working with it upstairs the most of the time. She does her work in front of a big giant screen. [TS]

  Sort of you know the I thought a library is on her computer that's where we sort through all the photos on the big [TS]

  twenty seven inch screen. Not retina but yeah. What can you do. But when she needs to she can detach and. [TS]

  You have a thin light laptop to go into the kitchen. [TS]

  And do stuff on the dining room table or go up in the bedroom where she is now [TS]

  and do whatever he's doing with a lot of that's. That's an interesting sort of hybrid set up it's. [TS]

  I don't know how like a thunderbolt display I had some problems with like it isn't everything it was a little bit [TS]

  annoying. The U.S.B. See potential future Apple display of that supports all the stuff. [TS]

  Could be nicer or it could be just like your that or it could be worse [TS]

  but it's an interesting way to get you both to get you with the big digital hearth which I really think you have are [TS]

  going to spend any time like sorting through your photos [TS]

  or editing your photos doing anything having to do with photos or movies. [TS]

  I don't know how you live in a laptop I just feel like you would be doing everything inside a phone booth. [TS]

  Right that I go [TS]

  and if I feel the same way that like you just feel like to do any real computer I don't even know you to programming [TS]

  under any With no to get out to the web browser [TS]

  and then your text better than everything else all cramped under the little foot in a screen. [TS]

  It's nice to be able to spread your stuff out. You know. Well right and that's why if I'm doing serious work. [TS]

  I'm often in my office where I am now where I have a actually probably. Only seventeen maybe eight. Maybe twenty inch. [TS]

  External display hooked up to my work computer. And so if I'm really getting serious about you know. [TS]

  Doing some node work or doing work work. [TS]

  Then I'll be upstairs in the office up to an external display a very unremarkable external display [TS]

  but an extra will display nevertheless. But I mean when I was doing the blog post. That's why. [TS]

  You know command tab is a thing that's why spaces are a thing. [TS]

  And that and I'm I'm used to it this is what I'm used to. [TS]

  So the lack of real estate doesn't bother me but this is the same reason why I could never have a thirteen inch. [TS]

  Laptop ever again because fifteen is the bare minimum amount of real estate I can have without getting frustrated. [TS]

  When I use airings computer for anything more serious than just light web browsing I get very frustrated very quickly [TS]

  because the screen is so small you know. Don't get IMAX because first of all to ruin you for everything. Ever. [TS]

  Second of all your camera I believe is sixteen megapixels right. I think that's right. Tom I had. [TS]

  It will not fill the IMAX screen one to one. Yeah but. You have a much more critical eye for that than I do. [TS]

  I think that be fine. I don't your computer ruin your camera. Well I certainly don't want to spend you know. [TS]

  Thirty four thousand dollars on the camera like you just did so maybe you're right. [TS]

  And there's nothing there's nothing between sixteen and forty two megapixels. Yes he did nothing at all. [TS]

  I have a genuine question. [TS]

  What I went to spec out the IMAX retina display just you know to see what it would come up to [TS]

  and it's about the same money as a fifteen inch. [TS]

  The way I would build it it's it's roughly the same on money as fifteen and trying to map a pro. [TS]

  In the different options they have you know you choose your processor choose memory. Did you get sixteen or thirty two. [TS]

  Marco. I got thirty two but it doesn't matter because they're probably going to date them. [TS]

  You know in the next few months so it. Whatever the options are now. You shouldn't buy a Mac. Right now. [TS]

  Oh no I would not just you know I'm piddling for the for the fun of it. And what the hard drive did you get.. [TS]

  I went for the terabyte S.S.D. If you're going to go I'm Act I'd say go under present as if he don't go fusion. [TS]

  And so then just buy whatever you're willing to spend. Among the all has the option. All right Sunny right so the real. [TS]

  I'm bringing this up because I got down to number five. Choose mouse and trackpad. [TS]

  Apple Magic Mouse which is what I would choose. Magic Trackpad for crazy people. There's a third option. Apple mouse. [TS]

  What the hell is that is that the thing with the with a little ball in the middle. Is it. [TS]

  Yeah I think so but those the Mighty Mouse. [TS]

  Think that's what they call it house the white one with the little ball to get government off but I think. [TS]

  Why do they say who who buys that. I have no idea I had no idea this was still a thing. [TS]

  But the important thing is you want to get the apple extended keyboard [TS]

  and all the stupid wireless one of the half size arcade. [TS]

  How Yeah this is the one that was originally called The Mighty Mouse right. I thought. So yeah. [TS]

  That thing was miserable. Yeah I was going to say I didn't know anything about Max Back when this was a modern mouse. [TS]

  And even I knew that it was a terrible freakin mouse. Oh my God that's. That is horrendous. [TS]

  Oh send the can the chap points out why you want this to you know somewhere you can't use Bluetooth that is interesting. [TS]

  That's weird for security reasons. Yep. Wow. [TS]

  That is a really good point [TS]

  and so our governments need to continue to have a wired Mousa doesn't work with Bluetooth [TS]

  and want to sell them this finger lint collecting all thing. [TS]

  Yeah I mean like of all the of all the wired mice in the world of all the wired my thought. I've used. [TS]

  I would say this is worse than all of them. No no I use the puck mouse when I was in college and now he's. [TS]

  That was a bad as people said. [TS]

  Here's a thing with like you have the mice apples and ice before they had a thing on top for scrolling those. [TS]

  Those were like better because they didn't have a crappy things on top the guy on top [TS]

  but worse of course because you couldn't scroll so it's like choose your poison so the the fuck mouse didn't have a [TS]

  scroll wheel on it so you didn't have a scroll wheel but you know you can tell which I was orienting [TS]

  but like the apology mouse. One of the best looking one of the best looking mice that Apple ever made. [TS]

  I think was one of their best mice. Period. [TS]

  Because it was in the days before Macs anyway and P.C.'s girl will forever [TS]

  but it's in the days before mac users were brought into the world of scroll wheel. [TS]

  And so you didn't know what you're missing. And you're like oh this is. It's beautiful to look at it's nicely shaped. [TS]

  It works very well. It matches the hardware. And it is not circular so I can tell which direction is up. [TS]

  It was great but yeah once I got into the this girl wheels Apple never made a good scroll wheel. [TS]

  Until basically the Magic Mouse [TS]

  and they said well we're not going to do we'll we're just going to have a swipe your service. Thing. [TS]

  Well honestly the Magic Mouse Y.P. Surface is what convinced me to finally use an Apple mouse. [TS]

  Because before that I was using some. I was in the logic tech and next revolution. And many of us are techs. [TS]

  Those but it had a schoolteacher where it had a really like heavy like a fly wheel kind of a weighted scroll wheel. [TS]

  And so if you flip really quickly. It would. [TS]

  Unlatch and just spin freely rather than having little detents along the way. [TS]

  And then you could like stop it and they're not spinning it would do. [TS]

  Similar to [TS]

  when you swipe they have a you know they have the actual inertia of this way to the flywheel thing spinning around. [TS]

  It was great but now. The Magic Mouse does that same thing with moving parts and. [TS]

  It's easy to easy to find and buy anywhere and doesn't have its own special pride Terry charger [TS]

  and doesn't have its own proprietary receiver and doesn't have crappy software that fails constantly under Macs. [TS]

  So it's better in every way to me. So that's why I switched. [TS]

  Going back for a second to the to the formerly Mighty Mouse. You guys ever used to squeeze side buttons. [TS]

  Member that you could squeeze the side buttons has like a third mouse click. Yeah. [TS]

  They were pretty terrible you ever actually. I remember it. [TS]

  I try to a couple times I use these and it was all you had to squeeze really hard. And it was kind of it was too. [TS]

  Too awkward for me a little something like that's the problem I have with most P.C. My says they have buttons. [TS]

  Everywhere on them you can't grab them without. Yeah showing a button. And that's too many buttons for me. [TS]

  I can't use the Magic Mouse. Because it's too low. [TS]

  And that's just a difference in mouse seeing what you're trained on the mounting some people like a low mouse a Depok [TS]

  mouse was made for low mass people to adjust was unfortunately circular [TS]

  but there's different ways that you can hold a mouse and. [TS]

  For better [TS]

  or for worse my way of holding the mouse was trained on the original Macintosh mouse in one thousand nine hundred four. [TS]

  Which bears go ahead box. And the way my nine year old hands. Learn to use that mouse and all now. [TS]

  Mice after it is I grabbed the sides of the mouse with my thumb. And my ring finger. Yep. Same here. [TS]

  Simply and with a low mouse. I find myself Greste specially with the Magic Mouse. [TS]

  Because that the sides are like cut in a little bit it's now or on the bottom than it is on the top [TS]

  and it's very low down I feel. [TS]

  I'm kind of grabbing it's like kind of grabbing a dinner plate by the sides [TS]

  and this is big air gap where my like I don't my palm doesn't rest on a terrible. [TS]

  And I find it very uncomfortable I had to really nice mouth like it's high quality of the swiping stuff I see the [TS]

  people who love that it's just not the way to hold a mouse so I'm forced to buy. [TS]

  I'm using logic mice for years [TS]

  and I have what I think is called the logic we all now say didn't even have like an Amex as a nation like Amex two [TS]

  hundred three hundred right so I bet it just like a lot of tech real mouse. [TS]

  It has two buttons on top and a scroll wheel that you can also presses their button [TS]

  and no other buttons on it has flat Burkle sides. [TS]

  That I can grab and every other mouse that I've tried to ship like a snail. That has buttons all over it. [TS]

  I just can't find a nice way to grip it I even bought like a series of wireless mice that we use on my wife's computer. [TS]

  And they have like a groupie rubber edges on the side but they all kind of like curve in or whatever [TS]

  and just they don't feel right in my hand so there's a thing about my server ready. [TS]

  It's difficult to say like what the good mouse wants a bet I'll see it all depends on what your habits are [TS]

  and it's difficult to break those habits and if you try to use your mouse [TS]

  and habits with a mouse that is not designed to work that way can be very uncomfortable. [TS]

  A lot of these the sort of snail ones. [TS]

  They want you to grip them a particular way and if that's how you do hold a mouse. [TS]

  Than the mouse fits your hand and it's great [TS]

  but if you fight against that it will not be Oh great so if you try to grip one of these words smell nice from from the [TS]

  side it's just not the way it's meant to be use them if you try to use the magic mass without. [TS]

  I don't know how do I don't know Miles people use it against a sort of rest their entire fingers long fingers over the [TS]

  thing I don't know. No I have like an air gap. Like. So I do hold I hold the sides with my thumb and ring finger. [TS]

  But then my my my index [TS]

  and middle finger kind of just like hover over like have almost like a pretty high over the mouse. [TS]

  And it's like saying we like how like when you talk to play piano you're taught not to rest your hands on the keys [TS]

  or to like an arch your hands up. Same kind of thing like that kind of grip where like you know you kind of. [TS]

  You're holding the mouse with those two we know with the thumb and ring [TS]

  but then your first two things are really hovering pretty far above it. [TS]

  I think that's not how that's sort of intended to be used ask some of the. [TS]

  The low mouse men in yellow coats another reference that case you won't get how they use their minds. [TS]

  I think I've seen people doing it where they like him with the puck mass where they were it's almost like they're just [TS]

  resting their fingers on and their palm is not even. It's behind the mouse and sort of it is kind of resting. [TS]

  Laying their hand on top of the mouse and kind of moving it around maybe their promise even on the ground. [TS]

  But you know. Anyway. People. [TS]

  As I said last time people sent me pictures of you use mice and crazy ways including the one [TS]

  or use the mouse upside down and press the buttons with your palm. [TS]

  Before Did you see all the things that people were treating me like the yeahs of other large variety out there for what [TS]

  it's worth. [TS]

  I would kill everyone I knew except my family if someone came out with a Magic Mouse that was more bulbous in had a [TS]

  place for like my palm to rest. I use the Magic Mouse because I cannot survive without the two finger flicks. [TS]

  Side to side to go between spaces I'm a very heavy spaces user [TS]

  and I am completely useless at a kid at a computer if I can't flick between spaces. He would literally die. [TS]

  I literally can't even. But anyway. I wish. [TS]

  So desperately that there was a more bold this Magic Mouse because I would buy. [TS]

  I would buy that instantly so if anyone wants a Kickstarter idea there you go. [TS]

  Making some make some sort of god awful ball this Magic Mouse. [TS]

  That isn't just completely disgusting to look at good luck. And I will pay. [TS]

  Obscene amounts of money for it is this picture it's own from the chat room of them trying to use the Magic Mouse like [TS]

  a traditional mouse holding from the side may this process very large hands that I had forgotten like just how darn [TS]

  small the. The the apple Magic Mouse is a beautiful piece of industrial design it looks like a piece of sushi. [TS]

  Play a piece of fish land toppled like a better write something out of it is a beautiful sculpture. [TS]

  It is not shaped like a mouse that works with my hand I don't think you're supposed to grip with the way this person is [TS]

  gripping I don't think it will take over the way your gripping a mark I think that is an uncomfortable kind of keeping [TS]

  your hand. [TS]

  Just it just doesn't look like the way I imagined when they made this product it's supposed to be used [TS]

  and I've seen people use them with the flat hand technique the looks more comfortable to me. [TS]

  I mean you can get away with have doesn't bother him doesn't buy their hand it's fine it just isn't seem ideal to me it [TS]

  does bother my hand like I have in a sort of static contraction of having your muscles are sort of in that position for [TS]

  a long period of time I need them to relax and I need to have something supporting my hand. [TS]

  And I need I definitely do feel a secure grip on the side a lot of my mouse movement is. Like for small movements. [TS]

  Just moving my ring and thumb. And having like the palm of my hand resting on the mouse or even partially on the table. [TS]

  Moving fine adjustments on the mouse and with the little piece of sushi underneath my hands I just I don't know. [TS]

  And plus the mouse is pretty darn heavy in the grand scheme of things. [TS]

  Yet the heaviness is not great festive once if you switch to return all batteries nickel metal hydride batteries are [TS]

  are pretty dense compared to other kinds of that's that's no good. [TS]

  But we know one and I find like you know and it's hardest. [TS]

  It probably comes at a lot of what you're used to because you know you're citing what sounds like ergonomic concerns [TS]

  really. [TS]

  And for me I actually like you're going to mix of it because I can move it with my fingers I'm not really moving. [TS]

  A monthly moving my wrist as much I'm doing most of the movements with my whole arm. Almost all stationary. [TS]

  And I'm moving the mouse around with with just with the with the thumb and the index finger kind of sliding back [TS]

  and forth like. [TS]

  That's what I was describing most during Was it with my mouse is just like the you don't have any support for the rest [TS]

  of your hand there is no the mouse is doing nothing to support your you are. [TS]

  You are attacking the mouse with your fingers you are gripping it. [TS]

  And you are pressing it [TS]

  but the mouse is not supporting any part of your body whatsoever no party a body is resting on the mouse. [TS]

  You are merely manipulating with the sides whereas if you have something like a sea of that's more bulbous. [TS]

  You can rest. The. You know some part of your hand and some of the weight on the actual mouse. [TS]

  And still have your fingers and have to dish into at a moment's notice. [TS]

  Will it back and forth with their rang and bringing your thumb. So realtime follow up jelly. In the chat room. [TS]

  Has given us a link to the Magic Mouse fixed. Which is that. M.M. Fix dot com. [TS]

  This is the exact problem it is fixing the exact problem I want fixed in the most hideous possible at some points [TS]

  apparently a piece of silicone that has suction cup on the bottom that you just drop on top of your Magic Mouse [TS]

  and then magically all your problems go away. It is fixing what I want fixed but that is unbelievably ugly. [TS]

  I mean that's just it just goes to show like I think the Magic Mouse was so clearly designed with a particular use case [TS]

  in mind. [TS]

  They wouldn't of made it so low profile thanks back to you to grab it from the side so if you're coming at it trying to [TS]

  do the group from the side you're fighting against the design as it was made. [TS]

  And if you want something bulbous to be resting in the palm of your hand. [TS]

  The magic mass is not it's like they accidentally made it like that. [TS]

  I didn't clean not made to be like other mice other mice are booked up for reasons there's an error [TS]

  and there there's not like you know the needed room for the batteries or anything. This mouse is low profile that. [TS]

  It's meant to be used in a different way I'm not entirely sure what way it is because I don't use the mouse that way [TS]

  but it's not like a mistake where they just made it a little bit too low. It's super low. With a purpose I think.. [TS]

  Well and the purpose is definitely. You know that X. [TS]

  They could be a sex but it could also be melting technique like have you seen people use the POC where they would. [TS]

  Part of the fix for the puck will be that people create their fingers over the edge [TS]

  and arrest their two fingers around the wire so they can tell which one was up on the thing. [TS]

  And that led to a kind of massing with like a kind of a flat hand amassing technique with your entire hand great I [TS]

  wouldn't work with a magic mass behavior entire has draped over it. [TS]

  You have to pick your fingers up and get them over the swiping server side of your Jester's you know. [TS]

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  All right so Marco what is due to the overcast database. Oh nothing I did I know migration. [TS]

  I migrated to a bigger lie node. It's well. [TS]

  Yeah I know a soul I know they have created their hypervisor whatever whatever from whatever it was before zen. Maybe.. [TS]

  Yeah. From a Zen to K. V.M. And I don't follow any of the stuff I don't know what the differences are and. [TS]

  It's they say it's faster by a lot so I said OK great.. [TS]

  Great for free so great you just have to have to turn off the of the P.S. [TS]

  And I have to migrate the disk images over to the to the new system. [TS]

  So you're basically waiting on disk images to migrate [TS]

  and they do it you know maybe one hundred fifty mega seconds so when you have a two hundred gig database for your. [TS]

  You know it's. It's a pretty lengthy process the goes down for like forty five minutes or something. But. [TS]

  That's what I was doing I was upgrading all my. All my servers to caveat from Zen. And I was also upgrading. [TS]

  A couple of them to be higher capacity V P S's for line which also requires the same migration to happen. [TS]

  That's so I took everything down upgraded bunch of them. [TS]

  That you know and I've been to I've been in a few over time without taking a thing down [TS]

  but doesn't have all the master database and. I know. Believe me. [TS]

  I know more than you probably more than I need to explain right now. [TS]

  I know how to make databases that you can take on the master. And the site stays up. I know. [TS]

  Please don't tell me about those schemes I know. [TS]

  I even know their fancy new storage things where there is no master and you can just take anything down [TS]

  when ever you want and they're eventually consistent. And they usually work. [TS]

  And they usually don't need any maintenance. And they usually perform well. Yeah that's nice too. [TS]

  Please and tell me what those either. Yeah so that's what I was doing. Taking the master had mastered a base. [TS]

  Updating it. Those things making everything bigger and faster. And then turning back on. [TS]

  And with line oh this is literally like you click a few links in the web interface and you wait. [TS]

  And then they tell you when they're done. It's really ridiculous. This is not an ad but it should be. [TS]

  I love line owed so much like. I have used so many other hosts and. Man I I will now. [TS]

  Everything that I that I can reasonably do online OED. I do now. And before Africa when I was like last. [TS]

  I think it was last year when they have created or maybe was two years ago [TS]

  when they have created to their Like next generation hardware and when they basically went to Zeani fives. [TS]

  To really nice ones and. [TS]

  When the before they did that they still had like the nicest easiest control panel of everything [TS]

  and they had you know just like just good hosting overall they were still very good. [TS]

  But they were in a great deal before that they were no Kate deal. Ever since that upgrade. [TS]

  And I believe a lot of prompted by digital ocean because the actual ocean has a very similar kind of service. [TS]

  I don't think it's as good I think it's still good [TS]

  but I know it has a number of advanced features a digital ocean doesn't offer. Many of which I use and enjoy. [TS]

  But and digital ocean is also just you know. They're young. I tried them in the past of their. [TS]

  They're fine but they're young and. [TS]

  They want to try to go into some growing pains they're probably I assume they're more stable now. [TS]

  But that was like a year and a half or two years ago. Anyway it doesn't matter. Line owed. [TS]

  Right now ever since and they did the biggest E. Upgrade to match digital oceans performance and pricing. [TS]

  I would say line owed is the best deal no hosting business now. [TS]

  I have always loved going in leasing dedicated service from cheap. Unmanaged serve under so that you know. [TS]

  Please I don't need your tech support. I don't need you to install Wordpress for me. [TS]

  I just want to cheap server that I want to manage the hardware for you manage the hardware I'll do the entire software [TS]

  management please. And why node is now. For most things. Even cheaper than going to a cheap. [TS]

  But she did a good host so something like limestone networks or high velocity like. [TS]

  Why not is actually even cheaper than those for what you get a lot of the time. [TS]

  It's incredible I can I still have no idea how it's so cheap [TS]

  but it is you know it's not perfect no hostess perfect I've occasionally had network issues with them. [TS]

  But of all the hoes I've tried over the years. They are the one I am by far most happy with. So because it's August. [TS]

  This story that sounded like it would be so interesting and so salacious was. I moved. Databases and I moved the P.S. [TS]

  and. It was literally I clicked a few links in the web interface and waited. [TS]

  You know you're not helping our august old room so it would have been a lot bigger of a deal. [TS]

  Had I actually been on dedicated servers and not B.B.S. but This is one of the reasons of even the D.P.S. Is now. [TS]

  Now the bad news is that like you know I had I was of creating like from from eight gigs of RAM to sixteen on my [TS]

  database. You know in dedicated server terms. Unless you're somewhere incredibly expensive like software or Rackspace. [TS]

  If you're somewhere like you know. Reasonably recently price for a Manics servers. [TS]

  Sixteen years of RAM should not cost a lot of money. [TS]

  But for a while until I know that's a big deal but it's only a hundred sixty bucks a month for those D.P.S. [TS]

  and It's like. Well if you look at what can you get for hundred sixty bucks a month on dedicated host. [TS]

  You can't get much closer to this like it's the. [TS]

  I can I still can't believe how how much you get for your money on what these one of the pieces [TS]

  and this again this is not of this is not an ad they've never sponsored me I have a referral link I think somewhere [TS]

  yeah I have a referral and for line owed. Put in a show notes. [TS]

  So that I don't know we can make some money off of this giant not add but. But men it is so good I like it a lot. [TS]

  All right. Want talk i Pad Pro. [TS]

  Actually I'm just looking for a little a little bit of real time follow up on the last topic about mice the wire in the [TS]

  wireless mouse review they have this graphic that I That's from razor actually showing the contact patch of these [TS]

  little hand. [TS]

  Diagrams three for three groups of the mouse one called the Palm grip than the claw grip in the fingertip grip. [TS]

  I wish they had showed actual photos of hands doing it but someone place of this like in the chat room. [TS]

  It's worth checking out that this release acknowledges the different ways that people hold my son I bet there is a much [TS]

  larger variety and just those three of us I think that is trying to capture the three most common [TS]

  but it really influences how you shape the mouse. [TS]

  How you're expecting people to hold it and there's just there's not just one way. [TS]

  And that's before you even get into things like hand side. Like before you can give sitting variations on hand size. [TS]

  Just like within one hand size you can be holding it in very different ways. So anyway. That's. [TS]

  And I put I've put in more like Casey for the different. [TS]

  MY for the die on and pictures of them and stuff like that so on this reserve thing. [TS]

  This mouse on the left is a number pad. Had on the mouse what the heck is that. I think gaming thing I don't know. [TS]

  There's like this little like twelve button grid of of buttons. In the thumb area. On this crazy gaming mouse. [TS]

  Oh my God. Jaguar controller. [TS]

  And I'm talking about like I have buttons everywhere like how can you even grab them without accidentally hitting a [TS]

  button especially [TS]

  when they put buttons on the side of that that's why I hold it I don't want to have buttons on the side [TS]

  and I have buttons that buttons on top of the buttons. [TS]

  So you can even rest your finger on a button or else you're actually had another button. Oh my goodness. Oh my God. [TS]

  Sheeple are crazy. Gamers you know dog I heard you like buttons with your buttons. Nice. [TS]

  Yeah that's why I've never been able to get into the razor mice. [TS]

  Some of it like the first person shooter appeals like the high resolution and like the whatever. [TS]

  They're trying to do with low latency and other stuff but just as a thing to grab [TS]

  and mouse around with they just never looked particularly comfortable for me whenever I go into the store [TS]

  and see them and you know. [TS]

  Spread my germs like going up into the here just play of my finger having each one of them and clicking around. [TS]

  It just never nothing ever feels quite right to me I don't know what I'm going to do like my mouse at work died this [TS]

  logic wheel mouse thing that will put in the show notes like before they even had the M.X. Numbering scheme. [TS]

  It died and I bought a new modern one that I thought looked like it [TS]

  and I used it for a couple days I just didn't like it so I had to go on e Bay and find. [TS]

  You know someone selling the exact old model of life. A mouse that I had before. And I got it. [TS]

  And it works and that's what I'm using that work. You can always get people to send in their groups old use my site. [TS]

  But it's like a very specific model may not bother me but it was like twenty bucks [TS]

  or something like you know what let me just get that same have an age where. [TS]

  I mean there's probably a modern mouse out there that I would like [TS]

  but I tried like I tried my best I could I went to you know. [TS]

  I like I did like my so I went to the Web site of a bunch of other things that I might have been like this wire cutter [TS]

  review. [TS]

  I try to bunch of mice in person [TS]

  and I'm like you know what let me get this one it's so close to what I get now it's made by the same company I'm sure [TS]

  we just the same and it wasn't. It was just different enough to know I mean so I said I'll just get famous. [TS]

  Do they include a an Android tablet. When you bought from them. [TS]

  No but I'm always afraid of with buying things I need I guess [TS]

  when people buy things they buy their freight of like someone you know it's a scam they're just going to take on a not [TS]

  send me anything they're going to send me something I didn't look like a Didn't the picture like all the things that [TS]

  you're worried about when you do have a right or you're afraid of secret fans. You know what I'm worried about. [TS]

  When I do things anybody that it's going to be sent to me by someone who smokes. [TS]

  Because then the box will smell like smoke. [TS]

  And the I don't most like smoke forever and ever and ever [TS]

  and I just won't be able to use it because it will smell like an ashtray. [TS]

  Yep that's a in many online so I've I've recently been selling like some headphones up in a lot of these online [TS]

  marketplaces. You will see almost every ad say. [TS]

  Non-smoking household no pets because it's smoking that's a huge thing I can always tell. [TS]

  If like a box that was in somewhere that smoked or something with cats. Like I don't wish to cats. I don't have cats. [TS]

  I am very sensitive to the smell of cat houses. And I can always tell like it's. [TS]

  It isn't the strongest milking but it's there. You know. The anyway. No smoking no pets. [TS]

  I don't know if I've ever had one with with a pet smell because that. [TS]

  I mean obviously if it's something a fabric or something I don't think I like something goes. [TS]

  Like hard shiny plastic or electronics or something maybe I guess of cat hair or sucked up into the thing I remember. [TS]

  So nice to work with had it wasn't the wind tunnel I think was the mirror drive door. [TS]

  As I remember these names [TS]

  and I want to tower Macs that had like intake ports it was like a cheese graters preachy greater is back [TS]

  when they had the four handles on the sides of the things that intake in the front of blow air out the back. [TS]

  And he opened up his computer to clean out one day and like the intakes in the front all that [TS]

  and those big like wedge type thing [TS]

  and the wedge was just filled with a solid a wedge of cat hair the whole out nose fly it was like a perfectly [TS]

  structured it like taking on the whole of the inside of the intake vent. [TS]

  So yeah cat hair there are going to magine electronics my cat like that [TS]

  but sort of like a mouse like there's nothing no place you can go inside it is no ball or anything. [TS]

  I can imagine that small a cat [TS]

  but the thing about cigarette smoke is it just permeates especially if it's any kind of like rubber even if this [TS]

  plastic it just. Just never goes away. It's bad even like oh. [TS]

  Can smell like smoke of it's been smoking the whole rows and I had my mouth about to work non-smoking. [TS]

  It just not small gathering. [TS]

  And pretty much brand new like it wasn't any original blister pack but it was used I couldn't tell. So John. [TS]

  Since you're not doing your review this summer. Much too much to the sadness of all of us. [TS]

  What have you been spending your time wasting now spending your time on for the last I don't know two or three weeks. [TS]

  And everyone so I remember that I have all caps then installed and I boot into it [TS]

  and then I wait forty five minutes to for the seven updates that I haven't installed to be installed which by the way [TS]

  Cravaack verify the radar on this and I think it's kind of annoying to. [TS]

  Why is it that I can't just jump right to the latest beta. [TS]

  Why do I have to go through all the different up there is takes very long time if you are if there is the current band [TS]

  as Beta seven. And you have beta for. Then you have to install that a five and reboot install beta six. [TS]

  Every boot install data seven. [TS]

  Everybody needs one of these betas like a gig or more downloads and you get a way to purge and install. [TS]

  I don't quite understand why they're doing that's here. And I'm glad I don't really have to deal with it. [TS]

  I mean I guess opposed in their view I would never have to do more than one a day because I was young the latest [TS]

  but anyway. OK when I reboot into it and fiddle around and one of the things that came to my attention. [TS]

  I think Jason style part up in one of the flex houses like you know Safari Nine's new pinned tab feature that they demo [TS]

  to make you know it's where you can send things like Chrome and things ever you can take a tab. [TS]

  And then pin it and becomes a tiny icon in the left left hand side of your tab aren't there all the time [TS]

  when you do that Apple has of course. For whatever crazy reason. [TS]

  A new way for you to specify what your icon is when it's pinned they don't just use your fav icon. Thing. [TS]

  I don't know why don't you they just don't. What they want you to use is to put an S B G. [TS]

  And apparently it has to be an S U G. Somewhere on your site and then specifying as metatags that. [TS]

  There's two different versions of them both on the show it says two different versions on Apple site one of them is. [TS]

  Our develop it all comes flash library flash the Far East last release notes the other one is developed out of a flash [TS]

  library slash Premier League's flash Macs last released its. [TS]

  They disagree about what you're supposed to do and I put both of them in their I think one of them does nothing [TS]

  but whatever until they get their acts together. Put both of the men. [TS]

  And by the way if you're going to try to do this yourself. [TS]

  Of people to everything they complain about this they're having trouble doing it like anything. [TS]

  If you dealt with Safari before you would know this but if you haven't a maybe a surprise. [TS]

  Safari for fav icons or anything having to do with icons. [TS]

  Once it downloads one or ones that decide there is not one to download. [TS]

  You will not convince that it needs to download again you have to go to tell us why should library slash the Far East [TS]

  last template space icons and delete everything in that directory and then relaunch safari. [TS]

  If you don't do that you'll spend an hour saying why isn't it really mass media [TS]

  and keep reload it will never reload your attitude you probably will like thirty days from now or something. [TS]

  Quit safari. Delete everything that directory. Relaunches sorry. That's the way you have to anyway. I don't. [TS]

  And my blog that I never update and hypercritical bucko. My icon as little pixilated original macro that I drew. [TS]

  Way back when. And I wanted that to be my little pin to bike on and. There's a problem because the formatted S.B. G. [TS]

  And my thing is pixel art. An apple nowhere in its documentation. Tells you even what size your S.T.G. [TS]

  Is going to be displayed at. [TS]

  So first I had to get it working all that to go a little bit of noodling and everything [TS]

  and finding out they can do S B G. I download a trial of illustrator for this which is ridiculous. [TS]

  Is an incredibly mediocre. Got I had illustrator C.S. Sex. I have Photoshop C.S. X. [TS]

  Which I like for the most part Illustrated C.S. [TS]

  Like they had a trial of I know I was I was paying for month by month marijuana W. [TS]

  Like one out per month like an uber keep a like ten dollars and use all straight or for a month right ever. [TS]

  Anyway it said oh you're illustrators the Essex thing is expired. [TS]

  Go renew it [TS]

  or whatever I could not for the life of me figure out how to pay another pay Adobe another ten dollars to use the [TS]

  dullest illustrator C.S. X. For a month I just couldn't figure it out. [TS]

  All I could all he lead me to was signing up for some crazy description thing. [TS]

  Or just downloading a trial of illustrator C.C. Which is what I did. [TS]

  Even if you do exactly what it bilby wants you to do. Even if you say OK I was signed up for the subscription. [TS]

  It is so incredibly difficult to navigate Adobe site and their store and the whole creative. Cloud Suite mass. [TS]

  Even when like. Even if you do everything right. [TS]

  It's still miserable and confusing like whoever designed all of that should really go back and rethink it. [TS]

  Just a disaster. Not to mention if you do want to do anything. Besides the. [TS]

  The the ideal thing [TS]

  and signing up for everything if you want like one of the smaller subscriptions where it's only one app [TS]

  or it's one of the little bundles. It that's even worse. [TS]

  I mean that's I can even imagine what you were trying to do which is one app. [TS]

  An old version of that app not less trying to get a one month subscription. Yeah you didn't send a chance. [TS]

  Well here's the worst thing the the stupid Adobe C C. Menu bar icon that nags you about the stuff like that. [TS]

  It's like it shows you the big thing you sign and it shows you're all your apps there whatever. [TS]

  Inside that thing it said. Illustrate A C S six. You know. [TS]

  Whatever like renewed need to renew it like it had a link on it there were saying. [TS]

  Click this link to go and pass more money but if you click the link it didn't take you any place to get C.S. X. [TS]

  It took you like through three redirect to some illustrator page where you could try to tell us your C.C. [TS]

  So it's like there's your little menu bar thing is trying to tell me that I can somehow give you more money to give you [TS]

  a thing else or to see a six but when I click through the link it's provides me takes me your website [TS]

  and make it seem like it's not there I search for a while and anyway. That's a tangent. Adobe stuff is weird. [TS]

  That's one of the reasons I got C.F. Sexes like the last non-creative cloud version. [TS]

  I guess just plain old software the you can install it still phones home to check its authentication or whatever [TS]

  but anyway. Happy happy to Photoshop. [TS]

  Not really happy with Lister [TS]

  and really under a little I care so I had my outline images a thing they're going to more of how terrible I am of the [TS]

  graphic about my ally damage to use for my T. Shirt if you bought a hypercritical T. Shirt back in the day. [TS]

  This is the little mac logo that's on top of it so I did was take my teacher graphic which was you know a vector image. [TS]

  I deleted the tax and under the left with the icon part of it. And I thought I was all set. [TS]

  But apparently those actors are weird and S.T.G. [TS]

  Like when I saved his SU Geno straighter I looked at the source because it's just an X.M.L. [TS]

  File I could see it was doing all sorts of strange things. And I was like this this S.T.G. [TS]

  Is much more complicated than needs to be I'm not quite sure what else traders doing [TS]

  but apparently these does outline that I used for the T. Shirt. Is much more complicated and needs to be. [TS]

  And honestly like the entire image is made of it's a pixel images made of squares basically. Or if you want rectangle. [TS]

  That's all the entire thing it's on like I just need to set up a grid. [TS]

  I can redraw this by hand I can drive like on graph paper for you like I know how many dots are in every dimension it's [TS]

  a certain number of dots I know exactly where they are give me peace a graph paper [TS]

  and I can color it in for you something that should be easy to do. [TS]

  But all straight is really not made for the type of thing I am absolutely sure that you could do it in no straighter [TS]

  I'm sure military expert but it's seven keystrokes. Have the grid set up the way. [TS]

  And then just go down to dinner done done done. I'm not an illustrated expert. [TS]

  The Apple empire for me the last time under strain Illustrated. Understood illustrator. [TS]

  Was illustrator eighty eight and anything after that I didn't think maybe you. Yes. [TS]

  Everything after that I was meaning me to be OK You're around [TS]

  and not knowing how do you do anyway I got the job done eventually illustrator. [TS]

  Got the S B G to something that was saying that worked. Put up on the site. Rebooted and felt cap launched the Farai. [TS]

  Ten my tab and saw the world's glorious disgusting looking you know like. [TS]

  Nothing on a pixel edge boundary just a terrible blurry blob [TS]

  and then I was like All right well to really care if it's blurry. [TS]

  All I really care about it hurts clearing retina motive in though I have no right now Max I know most people are going [TS]

  to be you know. Painting and I'm not going to put my son Anyway this is the absurdity of all this stuff. [TS]

  So I never thought that no one's going to be sad because why would you. I just you know. [TS]

  It's a diversion something I want to do so I try to switch into retina now but Heidi be IMO wasn't available. [TS]

  And the courts. Debug thing. [TS]

  Also was not available in the old version of course the bug didn't work so I had to find the peeler Ski-Doo unable the [TS]

  high D.P.I. Setting anyway. Eventually did that turn on how do you know I'm out the monitor that mode. [TS]

  Launch a thorough look at the pin to have it was blurry in red not like God I'm just. [TS]

  I gave up for a while this is several weeks I was like All right well I've got the icon for it doesn't look great. [TS]

  Jason said it look good in his retina i Mac. But I think he has all his and all personal bad vision and like seriously. [TS]

  It's like nothing is on a pixel edge does not look good. [TS]

  Maybe you want to threaten He can't tell as much like a real retina screen instead of like my you know. Two X. [TS]

  Modem my regular non-writer screen you can really see how blurry does. [TS]

  But this weekend I took another run out of inspired by couple things first of all. [TS]

  I was inspired by the release of ACORN five. [TS]

  Which is a gust Miller's new version of his drawing obligation which way friendlier than Illustrator. [TS]

  And like it was a really easy for me to draw my condo is one of my tests now is like a drawing apps can I draw my icon [TS]

  really quickly because it's the easiest thing in the world to do to set up a grid. [TS]

  That a bunch of rectangles with a filling no stroke. [TS]

  I know how many dots was to be the should be really easy to do make that make the campus I want. [TS]

  It is really easy to draw a corner for actually ACORN doesn't have US media export which made me sad so I had my eye [TS]

  during like two seconds was all excited. You know I subjects board and I think I complained about it on Twitter. [TS]

  The magic Twitter got about a suggestion someone suggested affinity designer which I'd never heard of the horror of you [TS]

  guys never heard of this out. No really impressive app like. I've never heard of this developer. This company. [TS]

  But it's clear that they. [TS]

  They mostly understand the Mac like they're trying to be very Mac like [TS]

  but the same time they do a lot of custom you why you couldn't talk about the this how can you be trying to be like all [TS]

  Yosemite and Mac like but also use custom you why for all your weight it's like pop and I'm using everything. [TS]

  It's kind of the. The same way you mean you've all used Photoshop an illustrator. [TS]

  At least Margot has but you know how like Adobe got their own uy for their pop up menus in their text field [TS]

  and all the stuff you can even change it in different sizes. And they're all terrible. Right. And it's like. [TS]

  It's kind of they're trying to get across platforms to look the same everywhere [TS]

  but there's a history of them doing their own widget tool kids [TS]

  and you can change the color of the you want to be black or grey [TS]

  or like a light color you know they have that option I think on C S X or starting that option [TS]

  or you could change the color of the U.I. and Stuff. Affinity is like that but. [TS]

  They're crossing your eye looks much better than dogs for still doesn't quite look like a native you I [TS]

  but it looks like. I mean it's kind of like final cut but the pro kit if you file cut pro. [TS]

  They have Apple has its own custom which had to look at that he used to use for Final Cut Pro. [TS]

  Which also didn't look like a system with its But look kind of like them. This is like that. But anyway. [TS]

  A standard designer. Incredibly full featured application super confusing. [TS]

  But not isn't confusing is illustrated some have like a barn. Which is super friendly. And you should get. [TS]

  If you just want to draw something and be done [TS]

  and you don't need to export from S B G I just want to use ACORN if I could a got away with it. [TS]

  Little straighter which defeats me because I'm not a professional desire. And then affinity. [TS]

  Professional designers were tweeting me [TS]

  and saying I use this instead of illustrator I do my work in it so I think it has the capability to be a full fledged [TS]

  professional as I nap. [TS]

  But it is much more complicated and has lots of floating palace and windows with tons [TS]

  and tons of options for the thing is I know which options I want. [TS]

  I just need to be able to find them in a Senate design [TS]

  or I could pull up the giant They have a snapping manager in a separate grid mandrel like. Yes. [TS]

  Snap to pixel I just know don't snap the shapes Yes Not like every option that I can think of was there quickly here [TS]

  hook. Could draw my icon. [TS]

  And then he snapped to pixel edges and they have a mode where you can show what the pixels are going to look like [TS]

  and flip back and forth really easily between the vector what the pixels are going to look like. So there. [TS]

  I can draw my icon and export it. [TS]

  So there was stuck on pixel edges [TS]

  and the only thing I'm using know from there was how big is the actual display size and pixels. [TS]

  And I tried making an entirely black. S.B. G.M. It. [TS]

  To use as my little icon [TS]

  but for whatever reason Safari would display I think I was still fighting with the market at that point with the two [TS]

  different versions. But I just you know went to Pixie which is another. I think because it comes with the mac. [TS]

  You guys know about Pixie. You know. [TS]

  Maybe it's in the graphics tools if you go to Apple's developer tools section [TS]

  and look for the graphics tool downloaded comes with Pixie [TS]

  and a bunch of the things that image gives you is doomed in version of the screen. [TS]

  And I just mainly count the pixels and I was sixteen by sixteen [TS]

  or thirty two by thirty two in reading us so I saved my ass media thirty two by thirty two. Aligned on pixel edges. [TS]

  Exported and. Well. I tweeted the screen shot earlier. I now have a exact pixel perfect. S.B. G.M. Edge of an icon. [TS]

  As my pin tab icon in Safari nothing or just surely will break and become blurry and Safari ten [TS]

  and probably will look right in Iowa City there but for this brief moment in time. I have defeated depend I can beast. [TS]

  And I discover to call them out OK affinity designer. [TS]

  And I got to play with on a new features ACORN five which is really cool to. [TS]

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  So I'm out of stuff talk about what else can. I Pad Pro know why you why you said about the i Pad Pro. [TS]

  I don't need because it just it does nothing for me in the some board. Just like the Macra. [TS]

  It's not that it doesn't think you should we talked about this before. [TS]

  We should all be interested in the i Pad Pro even if it's not like the specific i Pad Pro. [TS]

  I guess if unless you don't buy into the whole idea that tablet computing is part of the few part of the future of [TS]

  computing that. [TS]

  It's promise to talk about we talk about the i Pad Pro a long time ago is basically the idea that people can deal with [TS]

  tablets better they can deal with P.C.'s I think we all agree on that. [TS]

  Like if you just throw a random person in front of a P.C. and Ask them to do something useful. [TS]

  Versus throwing any kind of tablet in their hand and asked him do something useful. [TS]

  Maybe unless it's a Microsoft Surface. Sorry Microsoft doesn't have a less intimidating. [TS]

  Like that you can get things done the people who just poke their fingers on a screen [TS]

  and figure out with either Android or i OS applications. [TS]

  How to do stuff from installing application to watching a video. [TS]

  To even like you know sending a text message or writing an email or whatever. [TS]

  Or as if you throw someone in front of a P.C. or Mac and say send someone an e-mail. [TS]

  I mean it's to hire a barrier to entry so I really believe that that usability difference in tablets versus pc's exists [TS]

  I believe that a lot of people can do everything they need to do on their phone. For that matter but also on tablets. [TS]

  And if you kind of buy into that then. What you're doing is looking at the tablet space is saying. [TS]

  Will they ever be able to give people the phone. Maybe the answer is no. [TS]

  But will they ever be able to replace more the things we do with P.C.'s I think the answer has to be yes because the [TS]

  still the such huge gap in friendliness and reliability and usability between personal computers and and tablets. [TS]

  So I'm always looking for when we're going to take the next step towards tablets. [TS]

  Eating into a little bit more of the P.C. [TS]

  Market and here I guess Microsoft can come back [TS]

  and say hey we're over here with the service what do you think we're doing over here but they're kind of doing it [TS]

  and then weird way where they're making the tablet. Have all the same abilities and compromises as the P.C. [TS]

  Not all the same but close to it like a of a can work as a P.C. and Of the tablet. I'm looking more towards. [TS]

  Can you make something that is like a tablet. [TS]

  But allow you to do one or two of the things that you could previously only do comfortably on a personal computer. [TS]

  And I think I was nine with the multitasking is kind of creeping into that area [TS]

  but I think you also need a bigger screen and you probably also need a stylus. And that's basically the i Pad. [TS]

  Pro rumors write a bigger screen i Pad. Maybe a little more computing grunt. [TS]

  Maybe possibly with an officially supported. Stylus. [TS]

  Why does that make you sad case that you should be excited about the future. I guess. It does make me excited. [TS]

  As an exercise in trying to develop and discover the future but as something that I would want or use. [TS]

  It doesn't strike me as something I would ever desire I I don't even think I would want a full size i Pad. [TS]

  Anymore let alone one that's even larger than that. [TS]

  Although if you could you know strap a keyboard to it maybe this is the answer to my computing for a phone so we were [TS]

  talking about earlier. But I don't know if it. I have nothing against using the i Pad as a means to get work done. [TS]

  And obviously we're all familiar with the ridiculous things that Federica teach he has convinced his i Pad to do. [TS]

  And all the ridiculous things he's able to accomplish with his i Pad. But for me if I'm doing anything. [TS]

  Even marginally a marginally complex. [TS]

  I'm going to put my i Pad down and I love my i Pad I'm hoping my i Pad down and I'm going to reach for my mac. [TS]

  Because even if I could accomplish that thing whatever the thing is on the i Pad. Nine times out of ten.. [TS]

  It is war way faster in the way easier to do. On the Mac. [TS]

  That's how I feel about using it does the computer with a real screen compared to your future. [TS]

  Cram thing and I can get it done the laptop [TS]

  but she isn't going to use a track Pandan tiny cramped keyboard in this tiny screen didn't either to use a real mouth [TS]

  full size keyboard and gigantic screen in front but anyway. Yes. [TS]

  As I see your point [TS]

  but like it's not critically for your use case what I was saying like what use cases can the tablet pull from the Mac. [TS]

  I think the tablet already has pulled web browsing. [TS]

  I think pretty much does that fine especially with like Flash going away. Right. [TS]

  And with the advent of content blockers let's call them on i OS [TS]

  or whatever I think so web browsing I think it's pretty solid live tablet said. [TS]

  Hey do you want to browse a bunch of web pages. Tablets got you covered there. [TS]

  And it's probably better because you can sit in your comfortable chair you could pick it up [TS]

  but down like a magazine is good reading. Twitter and emails Yeah you call your phone for that as well. [TS]

  Probably OK they're sending emails now are borderline because I like I got to type something that's probably what [TS]

  you're thinking OK so when you say I was so much easier to do on a computer did it ever use multiple windows [TS]

  and forget obviously on a tablet or if you have to type anything of significant length. [TS]

  I wonder about typing for the generation of kids brought up typing on glass that is not going to seem like such a big [TS]

  deal for them but in the end I think that's still going to be an issue [TS]

  but where I'm thinking of pulling is once you can get something approaching multiple things going on on the screen I [TS]

  don't know if Apple split screen thing is the answer with picture in picture in the stewards slighty things like maybe [TS]

  that's not really the answer but these are moving in that direction. [TS]

  I'm thinking of graphics artist because if you think of it as the world's most awesome sin teak right. [TS]

  Where it's the whole thing you don't even have a computer and you're basically like for our purposes. [TS]

  Having a really good pressure sensitive stylus and Multi Touch. [TS]

  And a big screen and enough power to do graphical stuff [TS]

  and not being tethered to a large computer that you have to be near [TS]

  or whatever that is a device that you could say is the the most efficient way for you to do fine arts related things. [TS]

  Because it's. You know it's a natural interface to like drawing on the scream of that with the stylus or whatever. [TS]

  And you could be moving things around and making fine adjustments and using Multi Touch gestures to zoom and rotate [TS]

  and do other stuff like that it is not much text entry. [TS]

  A lot of the stuff is using sliders and [TS]

  and the stylus I don't know I don't know where the point we're a composer now [TS]

  but I know a lot of digital artist that spend most of their time. [TS]

  Messing around with their stylus [TS]

  and maybe they also have one other hand on the keyboard in all the keyboard shortcuts of Photoshop so maybe we're not [TS]

  quite there yet [TS]

  but the first thing I think perfect for professionals that it's going to pull from are things like that where there's [TS]

  not a lot of typing maybe even audit. Audio editing where you can imagine. Multi touching a stylus. [TS]

  Being a huge advantage over a mouse and keyboard. [TS]

  Offsetting the the detrimental effects of having less power obviously because it's not going to be a big honkin C.P.U. [TS]

  In your little tablet and having less screen real estate because you're not going to have twenty seven inch tablet [TS]

  or whatever. [TS]

  But I'm firmly in the camp that I want to see a larger and more powerful tablets to advance that form factor [TS]

  and I think it kind of gets us out of the tab adult rooms where it's like. Everyone has decided that. [TS]

  There's no point in an i Pad. When you have your i Phone six plus or your big phone like that the phone is just. [TS]

  You have to have a phone anyway. [TS]

  And if I have to have a phone anyway I can pretty much do everything that I could do on the i Pad on the phone. [TS]

  And so the I've had as a luxury her rich people so they can read their magazines a glossy did a magazine article to see [TS]

  bigger images. And that's the only purpose it serves. And so everyone else of the fallen. [TS]

  If you're rich people have a big thing like. [TS]

  The only way you're going to differentiate [TS]

  and say what is the point of the tablet is that show me something I can do in the tablet I can't feel my phone. [TS]

  And you absolutely cannot do. Big graphical work on your phone. [TS]

  He just can't as the screen is too small you know have a stylus. That's a way could differentiate. [TS]

  The other regular branches like the service where it's like a it's actually your laptop doing you slap a keyboard on a [TS]

  new clamshells and it's weird and awkward because the heavy part is up and anyway. I think the apples. [TS]

  Approaching that from the other direction with the mac book one of saying we're just going to keep making the computer [TS]

  slimmer and slimmer but in the meantime. I really want. [TS]

  And i Pad Pro album should make one for teach by one [TS]

  and graphic are should tell us whether Apple's as yet unreleased hypothetical. [TS]

  Really awesome stylus is actually alter I thought to be. [TS]

  Well week so you want it for yourself [TS]

  or you just wanted to exist in the world I want to exist I might buy one because I you know. I like the big. I Pads. [TS]

  It depends on how big it is because I too big would be kind of ridiculous for me. But yeah I like. [TS]

  I was attracted to the Kindle D.X. To give you the kind of my really I'm in right. Yeah. [TS]

  Because I like the I like to read magazine I mused I still get paper magazines I still get Edge magazine and Car [TS]

  and Driver magazine. [TS]

  I mean Congress and had to this point are probably not much bigger than my pad used to be really big. [TS]

  I like something that big when I'm reading sort of magazine the stock girls even just looking at photos and stuff. [TS]

  Especially if it's thin and light. [TS]

  That's what I like [TS]

  and I think I would try it with a stylus like I don't know maybe own noodle around with something there just seems like [TS]

  an obvious evolution of the product. [TS]

  Yeah I mean I think it's what's going to be interesting is I think Apple is at its best. Asked. [TS]

  When it is a little threaten a little hungry. And a little and maybe a little bit desperate. You know that's. [TS]

  That usually is when Apple does its best work. And with a lot of Iowa stuff you know it's on top of the world. [TS]

  With the i Phone. And you know the i Phone It's fine it's you know it's it's doing very well and. [TS]

  They've they've all been pretty good. [TS]

  But it seems like a lot of the decisions Apple makes with the i Phone are out of complacency and or hubris. Recently. [TS]

  And the MAC I can see the same thing about. [TS]

  But the i Pad is kind of under it is under attack the i Pad is being threatened. And not by competition but by. Apathy. [TS]

  You know like. [TS]

  Everyone saying oh we don't know how long the upgrade cycle is [TS]

  but the fact is if you're there somebody else for me to think it was. Look as Mathis as look that look is a. [TS]

  But the idea is like if you're relying on upgrade cycle. Already for a product it only came out five years ago. [TS]

  That that is a really bad sign for your growth. [TS]

  That is suggesting that everybody who could use or want an i Pad already has one. [TS]

  And that's that's really not a good place to be. [TS]

  So what's going to interesting here is that Apple is is now getting desperate with the i Pad They're going to start [TS]

  trying. Crazy things and that's why I think we're seeing. [TS]

  That's why I think that we saw the many A couple years ago when I first came out [TS]

  and that's why I think we're seeing now that they're going to be making this. This big i Pad Pro. [TS]

  Possibly with a stylus possibly with god knows what else. That's one of the reasons why the. The new cool keyboard. [TS]

  Cursor movement stuff and I and I O S nine even though we saw in Beta one. [TS]

  It was unable to the phone and then later bit as it was disabled on the phone. [TS]

  Because they're going to probably keep it for i Pad only because they're desperate they need they need to push people [TS]

  to buy bigger i Pads. [TS]

  The one of the reasons why they're not going to split screen on any of the old ones with the heir to is to drive new [TS]

  sales of our. That this is all going to be. You know part of it. Part of these. [TS]

  You know a lot of those things like the. The split screen restriction that's also partly because of ram. Of course. [TS]

  But you know they're going to start seeing these moves of Apple trying to revive had sales by doing. [TS]

  Kind of desperate things and that want isn't necessarily bad you know. My theory is that that's actually good. [TS]

  Because we're going to see them do things they wouldn't have otherwise done things like a big i Pad. [TS]

  Things like a stylus maybe like. [TS]

  We're going to see these things that like had the i Pad continue on its initial trajectory of getting very good really [TS]

  big and becoming as big as the i Phone Someday maybe you know how to continue down that path. [TS]

  I don't think they would have been doing this kind of experimentation. I've noticed kept doing what they were doing. [TS]

  You know and. So we're going to see interesting things. That said though.. [TS]

  They're really going to be bumping up against limitations of. Not only the form factor but of I O. S. [TS]

  And those are both huge considerations for. You know if you're looking at Apple as quote getting work done. [TS]

  Big thing is input methods right has always been the issue. I think if you. If you're going to the trouble. [TS]

  I would see a lot of people do. Of attaching some kind of keyboard or keyboard case. To an i Pad. [TS]

  I think you could make a very very good argument. You should probably be using a laptop. At that point. [TS]

  Like you know you yes you can do a lot of things on an i Pad. [TS]

  But it seems like so many people who end up doing their work on an i Pad. [TS]

  So many of them are fighting the i Pad to get it to do that they're kind of fighting what it is we're trying to make it [TS]

  something it's not or they're either out of out of desire [TS]

  or incessantly You know they've had to have to do those things. And that is. [TS]

  I don't know like to me like there are lots of things the i Pad is good for. [TS]

  But general purpose work at a computer especially content creation work. [TS]

  I don't think is one of those things I think you need. You need a keyboard for a lot of stuff that people do. [TS]

  And you need. What computer. Point. Putting devices do which is very high precision and fast. Pointing devices. [TS]

  That's what trackpads and mice and even little track points they offer fast. Highly precise. [TS]

  Cursor input and touches not that you don't think a stylus is precise. A stylus is. [TS]

  And we'll see how that actually works in practice because like you know we've seen. Tablet P.C.'s. [TS]

  We've seen the surface. We've seen devices that use a stylus to control a desktop interface. [TS]

  At that point it is like a sin to get is just basically you know. Moving a mouse cursor with a pen on screen. [TS]

  That's fine. That's not how I was going to work the I O. S. Is going to be. [TS]

  The system designed for big sloppy fingers and. You know so if the stylus will help. [TS]

  In certain content creation things like drawing in through that but you still like. So. [TS]

  So often you need more precision. Then you know. You need to keyboard commands you need like the. I don't know. [TS]

  That's one thing about the keyboard thing. [TS]

  When you see people using its intake or any other kind of tablet type thing on a desktop. [TS]

  Very very often you see one hand on the keyboard like they have their set up so they can. [TS]

  They can reach the Borg all the modifiers [TS]

  and the find that I think is like kind of a a vestige of the desktop age because it's not as if you need a keyboard in [TS]

  fact it's very awkward to have a tablet. [TS]

  And also the keyboard because the key word is so why but you only need to like get at the modifiers [TS]

  and people make the special key set up so they only need like one half of the key board like. It's very awkward. [TS]

  And the only way you're going to get yourself out of that is to have been a piece of hardware. [TS]

  That is more a purpose built to let you. You know. [TS]

  Use your primary interface which is the stylus you still need all these modifiers and to do all these other things [TS]

  but they don't have to be done through a keyboard. Right. If you had an application. [TS]

  Made for a fictional i Pad Pro with a really good stylus and everything. That used. [TS]

  Onscreen touch elements are gestures to do all the same things that modifiers do. It would take a while to. [TS]

  You know if we have decades of graphics application on the mac like I was no hold down of the option means the shape of [TS]

  them to go from the center option shift music on to constrain to a perfect square [TS]

  or circle like all these things that we just know from like decades of use of graphic that locations we don't have that [TS]

  that interface language for tablet based applications yet. But we can develop it and I think we do develop that. [TS]

  Couple generations from now people are going to have the same kind of intuitive multi just multi hand gesture like one [TS]

  hand as the styles and other hand is doing all sorts of weird things in the corner. [TS]

  That would look just as alien to us today. As I bet. [TS]

  If a non designer saw an actual designer working Photoshop [TS]

  or elsewhere at all with a tablet with all the shortcuts they would like what are you typing what do you even doing [TS]

  there [TS]

  or even just like Final Cut Pro with all the colored keyboards a different keys you can you know it looks very strange [TS]

  to the person is not accustomed to it. [TS]

  I think that strength estrange makes me believe that you can make an equally strange. [TS]

  And perhaps even more efficient interface. [TS]

  That just uses two hands on a big giant touchscreen one is holding a stylus the other one is doing who knows what in [TS]

  whatever corner of the screen. [TS]

  And that can actually be more efficient because the free form nature of the things you can do with multiple thinkers in [TS]

  multiple hands at a stylus on the screen. [TS]

  Opens up much more natural gestures for doing graphical manipulations than knowing that if you hold down option [TS]

  and shift you get a perfect circle from the center right. [TS]

  Like that makes sense in our minds only because they've been warped by decades of using desktop drawing obligations [TS]

  but I really want there to be a different language for doing creative things on a screen with a stylus [TS]

  and the only way we're going to get that is by having hardware and people making software for it [TS]

  and maybe it's not going to be Adobe maybe not to be illustrated maybe it's going to be companies like affinity [TS]

  or whatever the don't have a. You know a history behind them they just say oh well I'm just going to make a. [TS]

  I Pad Pro native graphics environment. [TS]

  And I'm going to make up my own to mention So maybe the first three people do that make dumb conventions [TS]

  but eventually everyone sort of hones in on things that they agree are fish and and useful to use. [TS]

  And the old people who are used to illustrator never leave illustrator. [TS]

  They just retire and go off into the woods and the young kids who grew up doing everything i Pads [TS]

  and you can see that they want to see i Pads kids are using like crazy kids who grew up with that. [TS]

  When you try to tell them what modifiers to hold down to do all sorts of different things. [TS]

  And what key combos the press to switch the background and foreground [TS]

  and to do all these other things they're going to be like well. [TS]

  Is there some touchscreen thing I can use to do I get it all to see I'm a natural for them so I am very whatever the [TS]

  thing is where you're optimistic. That's bullish right. Yeah. [TS]

  I'm very bullish about the future of large tablets for using creative fields. [TS]

  And the sooner we start making the mistakes that we have to make to figure out what works there the better. Now C.N.N. [TS]

  I'm a skeptic I think that you know we are tired Ari. Where tablet. I think tablets have a serious. [TS]

  Input problem and a serious problem of ergonomics while. While doing a lot of this kind of work and. [TS]

  Yes there are lots of things where they are good. But I don't see them. Ever even coming close to the general purpose. [TS]

  Usefulness of either. A phone or computer. I think they're there. [TS]

  They give up too much on both and they're not portable enough to to replace where we like our phones so much. [TS]

  Because they're not always on our person like our phones are always like with us there always is [TS]

  and wreaks there usually in our pockets or our bags. They're always with us. [TS]

  Your tablet is not because you can't fit in your pocket or or many bags. [TS]

  You know your tablet not always with you most of the for most people. Your Computer. [TS]

  Is that same portability class your computer is also not always with you. [TS]

  But if you're going to sit down and do a bunch of work. [TS]

  Most people can get way more work done on a computer than they can on a tablet not everybody I know. [TS]

  But I think most people and. You know what you're saying John. [TS]

  It makes sense that you're saying like you know that a lot of this is generational. You're right. [TS]

  But I don't think all of that is I think there are certain realities of Lee well. [TS]

  This device doesn't have room for physical. You know keyboard mouse and stuff or whatever the case may be attractive. [TS]

  I mean even that like if you keep it. [TS]

  If you've spoken that out like is your chance to get your things so you had a keyboard stuff like that I start to think [TS]

  of more of a form factor looks like like a twenty seven inch i Mac. [TS]

  Laid down like a drafting table with a keyboard in front of it right. And it's an ergonomic nightmare. [TS]

  Well not really new Morgan dressing table at times like a touchscreen it's a touch screen with the style asking about [TS]

  their neck and shoulder issues. You could raise them up. [TS]

  It's not it's not any more of an organizer night presence [TS]

  and in front of computers are they all you can have an unknown error now is that up any other way the whole point of [TS]

  them saying like a touch screen. [TS]

  It is not to believe articles you don't get arm streams like for before the computers existed. [TS]

  People the drafting and architecture. Monks inscribed the stuff and yes they had R.S.I. [TS]

  Issues then as well but I think that Marsyas with computers a vertical screens and keyboards and mice anyway. [TS]

  I think those things are all surmountable problems. [TS]

  But what you have there is you don't have any compromises you have a really big screen. You have position input device. [TS]

  You can have a mouse if you wanted you can have a stylus you can have a keyboard. [TS]

  But the primary interface is this big giant canvas. [TS]

  That you have front of that you can use all five your fingers on [TS]

  and both your hands are we need to type you can type on a keyboard. [TS]

  You need to do voice recognition you can talk [TS]

  when you do video conferencing the camera can see you mean you need to use a mouse for something you can although I'm [TS]

  not sure if you would. We need to styles like that's the end game where it's like.. [TS]

  This is the new like it's a replacement for the P.C. Somehow we bridge the gap between here and there. [TS]

  I don't think there's anything you can. You can't do and that's up that you can do on a P.C. [TS]

  Day because it would be if we plugged in you know how power constraints you could have like just.. [TS]

  It basically is a new P.C. Oh it is a different P.C. [TS]

  Right but you got there by coming from the tablet realm that you start out of something with us like a big phone. [TS]

  And you just kept getting creeping slowly and slowly towards the things that a P.C. [TS]

  Can do when you start pulling over more and more until eventually. [TS]

  Nobody wanted to use a clock you'll be seeing every aunties those things were far from that now [TS]

  but I guess direction has to go for the reasons you said because the phone is always going to be the phone in the [TS]

  phones are already pretty big. [TS]

  So it's like don't even bother going that direction what do you even going to do that I was like the original i Pad It [TS]

  was as simple as an i Phone. And as limited as an i Phone. But not an i Phone So like. That's a dead end. [TS]

  Don't go in that direction you have to go on the other direction sort of turn your attention to P.C.'s see all the [TS]

  things they can do better and see if you could knock them down one by one. And really need to start that process. [TS]

  Split screen as the most timid possible move in that direction. [TS]

  But I think it's a good idea to be timid because if you just go full Microsoft Surface like hey here's a start menu. [TS]

  Boom just. All you're doing that is just abdicate. You're saying see I can be like you and I'm a P.C. [TS]

  and I'm a tablet and now you're kind of needed when you have you have to figure out how to absorb. [TS]

  You have to become the preferred platform people want to do this thing on without bringing over the P.C. [TS]

  Baggage and that's really really hard to do as going to take a long time. But that's let's start the process now. [TS]

  And in the meantime it kind of lucky that companies like Apple. [TS]

  Are doing it because Apple can afford to noodle and how they can afford a new around the stupid Apple T.V. [TS]

  For years and years. Like can afford to do around the i Pad. It has a lot of economies of scale in terms of the C.P. [TS]

  Use G.P. Use the operating system like it's not the whole reason you know. [TS]

  They've been getting away with coasting songs like well. [TS]

  The poll make an i Pad version every thing to it's basically like an i Phone a little bit different. [TS]

  As I started differentiate you have to invest in it more. [TS]

  They can afford to do that on the other end of the spectrum [TS]

  and all the stories about the i Pad has been like little tablets for kids to watch You Tube on ninety nine daughter [TS]

  and dried tablets that are basically just like portable T.V. Screens you hold your hand that have a lifeline. [TS]

  That's fine too. [TS]

  That Marco good then you to exist Apple's probably not interested in it but that I think it is worth mentioning. [TS]

  You know you can't go towards phones. [TS]

  Apple should go towards pc's [TS]

  and then there is going to be a market that I don't think Apple's interested in for basically a really flat. [TS]

  Wife I connected. T.V. Screen with a web browser. That will also continue to exist and become so cheap that. [TS]

  You know our grandchildren will like the come in cereal boxes in about seven inches. Oh well he did a rolled up. [TS]

  Tablet. Thing that you can use to watch. Future You Tube and play Plants Vs Ami's nine thousand. [TS]

  Apple better be well out of that area and have better figured out a way to turn the tablet into the next Mac. [TS]

  Buy them because it has an age of will surely be completely out of the tablet market because Apple does not want to [TS]

  sell you seventy nine dollars seven inch tablet. To play Angry Birds on. [TS]

  So before we finish this topic I also want to mention the software. [TS]

  I find there I was thinking I really was for it was indeed by Lucas Mathis I put the link in the show notes [TS]

  and added nor the code. Net. And I think grew into it. Last week so most you probably saw it but the idea. [TS]

  The title is I have had a consumption device after all and he goes through a lot of these challenges. [TS]

  and including the upgrade thing. But he also has this great section about. I O. S. So. I O. S. [TS]

  Is itself a major limiting factor in the ability to quote get work done on an i Pad or an i Phone. But I think it. [TS]

  I think it's more of a glaring issue on an i Pad as you're looking at like different ways that you want to expand this [TS]

  market. As you want people to quote get more work done on it. How does this work with in Iowa and I O. S. Is. [TS]

  You know while it's doing things like that when the management as you said it is like kind of a baby step. [TS]

  There are still so many issues. Much. [TS]

  Much around things like like file and document management and data sharing between apps [TS]

  and everything like there's these things are still really. Either. Either still to walled off and too limited or. [TS]

  There is a procedure now or like the extension system like there is now it's a solution to some of these things [TS]

  but it is itself. Limited or cumbersome or unintuitive or. You know other has other problems. That makes it. [TS]

  Just harder to get a lot of time. A lot of kinds of work done on an i O. S. Than it would be on a computer. [TS]

  I have read this article but for the listening I was done shouldn't be a pop star.. [TS]

  Specifically is barratry things just as much of the O. S. Well that's that's a third thing. So you know. [TS]

  Not only do you have issues with what is the. What is even possible to do on the US What limitations exist. [TS]

  What is really clunky like. I was thinking earlier WANT ONE OF MY like ideal pet projects. Would be to replace logic. [TS]

  The audio editing app that is designed for making music. [TS]

  And that many Pod casters myself included used at a pod cast even though it is so painfully not made for that task [TS]

  and it never lets you forget that and. And it is not. [TS]

  It is probably not even the best tool for that for even that job but the fact is a lot of us use logic. [TS]

  I would love to replace it I was thinking. I think I could do it on an i Pad. [TS]

  I think I could I could make something that would do what I need large to do a better in progress I could make that an [TS]

  i Pad The hardware is definitely fast enough to do it now. [TS]

  I know Core Audio very well I know I know you I kid very well I could definitely make out on i Pad. [TS]

  But then that's are thinking OK Will. How do you get the files on today. How do you get like the source files. [TS]

  Of what you recorded. To the i Pad to edit what document format do you say where do you save that document. [TS]

  When you're done with the document you want to export it out where do you put is where do you put these files. [TS]

  And there are answers to all those things. But they're also clunky. Like the. Yes I could. [TS]

  I could make it save to drop box may then everyone has to use Dropbox and then. [TS]

  These files are really big Sometimes you gotta blow your Dropbox based on that. [TS]

  And then you have to deal with Sync and getting the files to and from it. I Cloud Drive. Yeah exactly right. [TS]

  Like they're like there so many like the answers to those questions are so often on I.I.S. So cumbersome. [TS]

  You don't think of how you're going to make money without being able to get upgrades. And that's step two. [TS]

  So step two is. Suppose I actually could make a good applet that like this is a great use of an i Pad physically. [TS]

  Because this is the kind of task where I do tons of scrolling page to zoom to change the scroll scale [TS]

  and tons of side of has growing. [TS]

  I could so easily make a great touch interface that would basically be a giant scroll view. [TS]

  And you would use your finger to tap on regions that you want to move around. And you could move them around. [TS]

  The interface to it would would almost right itself it would be so. So much. It would be not only so straightforward. [TS]

  For the kind of use I have in mind. But it would be better than on the mac. [TS]

  It would be easier to do it on on touch and it would be an act. However. So suppose I actually get a useful app. [TS]

  But that also has all these you know. [TS]

  Hindrances brought on by the OAS and the data and filing document model of the Ls. [TS]

  Then I have to go sell it in the App Store. Now. It is it is hard enough to make money on the i Phone. [TS]

  I think it's even harder on the i Pad for most kind of I was going from some kinds of apps. [TS]

  You know do better the i Pad But the i Pad market is is so much smaller. No i Phone market. [TS]

  And so many i Pads are used in roles like what you're just saying like the kid You Tube thing. [TS]

  I think a lot of I've had to use in roles where people aren't buying a lot of new apps. [TS]

  If I had to take a guess what you have to price it like a pro up like that's what I was getting at I Q How many people [TS]

  at it pockets very few. So you. [TS]

  I mean that's the reason logic is like two hundred bucks it's a pro at your price like a prop. [TS]

  But then you're dead in the water if you sell the first version because you're like. [TS]

  Now I have like Pro Apps are sustained by having an initial high price and then having upgrades [TS]

  and if you get upgrades [TS]

  and you have to buy a new like the new going to release version to your application as an entirely new app it's all for [TS]

  two hundred dollars. But then the pro people want support like. I don't know how you sell. [TS]

  Pro apps in I us maybe enterprise that's where they don't care that you just charge them again [TS]

  and maybe you make them free and have subscription recurring [TS]

  but I just the business model for pro apps in i OS forget what i Pad and i OS period. [TS]

  Just doesn't seem to exist or work and Apple does Apple have any pro level I was applications. [TS]

  Well that's the other thing. So I don't think I think. Upgrade pricing is a red herring. [TS]

  I think upgrade pricing is not a major part of the problem. Pricing is a major part of the problem. [TS]

  In general but I upgrade pricing I think is a really small part of any. Because Apple has already shown that when. [TS]

  What they're doing with their modern pro apps. Is they cut the prices from where they used to be. [TS]

  Logic used to be hundreds. Many hundreds of dollars now it's two hundred. [TS]

  Front of what used to be over a thousand now it's. Also two hundred or three hundred some like that. [TS]

  You know Apple's model is is simply. [TS]

  We're going to make the price lower upfront and then we're just not going to have a great pricing. [TS]

  Because we can't get it accused team to actually do it [TS]

  but I don't think that's how most perhaps work of how Apple's perhaps work with that's not how I think Photoshop is [TS]

  going to subscription. Which is one way to do it it's like sustainable over. Sustainable recurring revenue office. [TS]

  The same thing a lesson I really like a pro app and it's an enterprise you type app. [TS]

  I would say these days it is a pro app. But that's separate especially the things like Pro Tools are. [TS]

  You know I mean logic is the example because an apple can't but like are avid stuff like that because a lot of money. [TS]

  And a lot of the upgrade pricing and a lot of them have kind of like support. [TS]

  Support expectations where you're going to do. [TS]

  Bug fixes up until this [TS]

  when you have to pay more to the next major version like maybe you just come up with different business models related [TS]

  to it but it just seems difficult to me when your only option is you either get everything that I give you for free [TS]

  or you buy a whole new version. [TS]

  And maybe upgrade pricing is the old model maybe Apple's right that the new model should be just lower your price [TS]

  and then make them pay that every year but then you just creeping up on subscriptions in a weird way it just. [TS]

  I don't know that the point is that is an unknown. That is that is going to stop people from the unknown. You know the. [TS]

  The uncertainty about it is going to stop people from even trying to do that or at least on the mac. [TS]

  There is an established history which may be kind of archaic but at least they know well this model kind of works [TS]

  and I can kind of roll with it as it evolves but on I.O.'s. I don't think there is any obvious example. [TS]

  Other than apples [TS]

  and an apple case you don't even know if they make money doing that just logic make money on its own for a two hundred [TS]

  dollars that aperture make money on any of its price points you really have no idea whether that is even profitable so [TS]

  if your independent software maker considering making a pro app for i OS I don't know what examples you have to go off [TS]

  of to say if we do this in this kind of model will probably make money if it cost this much to make it [TS]

  and year after year we'll be able to sustain our business on it. Yeah that's. It's a serious problem. [TS]

  Like I I don't think I would tackle this problem. You know it like seeing. Seeing the way the app store is now. [TS]

  Especially on the i Pad. Where it seems like it seems like i Pad. [TS]

  Economics are even less healthy than i Phone economics. Just because of the market size difference like. [TS]

  I really don't know. What Apple could do to get really serious pro apps on the i Pad more than. [TS]

  You know for more than just the big companies like the derby of Microsoft that can do that like these a lot cheaper [TS]

  versions are like. [TS]

  You know even good versions just rolled into his information like [TS]

  but had you know how you get something that's more narrowly targeted like. [TS]

  You know you like you have Pixelmator on there. It's like five bucks. Because they can't fill it up like. [TS]

  And we'll see you know we'll see how that goes. [TS]

  You never there was a double Photoshop for i OS remember that briefly right. Right but like it was. [TS]

  It was an application you could download from Adobe whose name I believe was actually Photoshop [TS]

  but that's about where the similarity between actual Photoshop and that ended. I think you like. [TS]

  It's kind of a chicken egg were no months ago first there's uncertainty or whatever. It could. [TS]

  Certain deputy could help here Apple could introduce pro hardware with the stylus than some small naive developer. [TS]

  Could develop an application that really catches on in the same way that like visit calc did the old the classic killer [TS]

  app or tractor app right. That. That is just like oh you have to. [TS]

  You have to get another an apple to please you can run it as a calc and [TS]

  or you have to get a mac as you can do desktop publishing with. [TS]

  You know Page Maker or whatever like that just becomes the thing that developer Because makes tons of money. [TS]

  Everybody buys the harbor to get the software [TS]

  and buys the software because of the software you're by to do the thing and they're the first one to do it [TS]

  and it's a breakout hit. [TS]

  And hopefully that would let them work out where the business model is going to be riding on their giant success in [TS]

  time for other people who are going to be less successful to join in but without some huge breakout success [TS]

  and don't even know that would be like Photoshop The. [TS]

  Breakout success Photoshop is a phenomenon for people bought computers so you could have a thing to run Photoshop on [TS]

  anyone care what the computer was been forced out for the mac was crappy [TS]

  or behind about Windows computers about the I don't care I need a machine to run Photoshop because Photoshop is what I [TS]

  do for a living. And I need to do use it. Where is the. There's a calc Quark Express page maker. [TS]

  Photoshop for the i Pad Pro. [TS]

  That could help sort of break the break the tie break the logjam here and get that platform moving forward [TS]

  but I don't think Apple should be counting on that and certainly Apple and he should be doing and the on its own. [TS]

  You make its own pearl of the software [TS]

  and show that it can have a sustainable business because you can never tell with have so much money that they can [TS]

  basically do things a lot of things like a. I work. Basically for free that other companies can't do. [TS]

  But the first step is I guess that was to make the hardware so nice for going in the right direction sort of if any of [TS]

  these rumors are to be believed which by the way these are all rumors. Also even the hardware is. [TS]

  And even beyond like my theories about input methods and everything. There's even other problems that are more boring. [TS]

  In nature but that are problems. Things like. You know there's no there's no U.S.B. Ports or. [TS]

  You know network ports or. [TS]

  The homely one port of the bottom to plug in anything in and you know no more room or any more ports you know Marco. [TS]

  Has to be exact of that size. Yeah. Well. Yeah you know is it. Yeah. But the thing is like it. [TS]

  Like some of some of the philosophical or physical decisions that Apple has made about. [TS]

  No ports or restricting expansion ever over the years that. Also restricts. [TS]

  This kind of usefulness for the for the pro use like this. That is a problem like. [TS]

  There are a lot of potential things you could do with I.L.S. Devices. [TS]

  But they don't have some kind of hardware feature you need and there's no good way to add it. [TS]

  Like what I make many does. For the live stream like. You saw the crazy setups I've had in the past to try to get. [TS]

  I OS devices do live stream and it was a huge pain. The i OS devices had plenty of processing power do I need. [TS]

  I didn't need a full blown P.C. Type computer to do these things. But needed a computer with like. [TS]

  You know an audio interface and power. That was reliable. [TS]

  And maybe a media need to know Jack like [TS]

  and like there's always going to be something like that where there's so many possible uses where I.O.'s would be [TS]

  perfectly sufficient as an O. S. and Hardware. We purpose vision like you know C.P.U. Power wise RAM wise. [TS]

  But there is something about the i OS device hardware like the rest of it. [TS]

  That is restricted in some way or Dulac some feature that could make this kind of use case a lot better and. [TS]

  There are so many use cases where that's where that's true. Like Apple has said no to so many things over the years. [TS]

  And a lot and. Most of that is what makes their product so good for general consumer consumption. [TS]

  If that's not redundant. [TS]

  Like what makes the i Pad and i Phone so good for browsing the web and reading Twitter [TS]

  and stuff like that is its simplicity and these these nice. You know. [TS]

  Thin light devices that last half of the day and you know you can do. [TS]

  You can browse a lot of them a lot of those things they've said no to are things that we actually did need for pro use. [TS]

  That's the problem. Cole. All right thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week. Fracture Squarespace an igloo. [TS]

  And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [TS]

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  Because it was then written down to it was accidental. And you can find the show nom de de de da. [TS]

  And if you aren't trying to get a little bit and he was no says that's keep lists and the N.T. Marco Ahmed. [TS]

  And I are a family says the risk you know if he's totally going to get that's already going to get a set of many [TS]

  and I'm acting no. I Pad Pro that assault. [TS]

  Solve all your problems it'll stop you from playing with nobody's will the type anything actually can't run plex. [TS]

  Well the client but it's funny you bring that up because co-worker. [TS]

  I haven't seen him around the office in a long time and I've been at a client's site on and off for a long time. [TS]

  But a co-worker. Was offered a new machine. And rather than getting. [TS]

  You know the new standard issue Dell or whatever which by the way. If you want to good laugh. [TS]

  Take a look at the power brick. For one of those Dells That's why I didn't have to have an America he pad on it. [TS]

  The power brick alone is like half the size of my laptop it's on believable if you had described it in perfect detail. [TS]

  I wouldn't. Leave that a power brick. Is that big but I assure you it's that big anyway. [TS]

  He chose instead of getting one of those stupid dealt with the ridiculous power brakes [TS]

  or presumably could have asked for mac. [TS]

  His work computer is going to be a surface which to me struck me as the most insane dumb thing I've ever heard my life. [TS]

  In no small part because for the next three years he will be using a computer that has a case of ram.. [TS]

  I can see the appeal of the service for people who already know how to use a P.C. If you're comfortable with a P.C. [TS]

  but You mostly just want a tablet except for the times you need a little bit of P.C.'s That's what the surface is for [TS]

  it still seems very awkward to me and weird but I see people use network to for a certain use case. [TS]

  How it seems to be OK I like. They don't care about the compromises. And they know what they're getting into. [TS]

  Like I know how to use a P.C. [TS]

  Laptop I'm not intimidated [TS]

  or put off by any of the complexities that the Service reveals about because it basically is a P.C. Laptop. [TS]

  But also a lot of times I just want a kind of a tablet a thing and are valid touchscreen. All right there you go. [TS]

  Here's your Frankenstein monster. [TS]

  Done anything [TS]

  and it's like oh my first macro call my describes something as basic like a MacBook Air that could fall back on itself [TS]

  and become an i Pad. [TS]

  Only my idea was when it's an i Pad motets an i Pad And when it's an mac motets a mac [TS]

  and the two are only rated insofar as maybe they share like i Cloud Drive together. [TS]

  The wise is just basically like hey. [TS]

  I don't have to bring two devices I can just bring one and it's basically two devices and you can do that today. [TS]

  You can totally did I right now with current technology would still be a Frankenstein product that I don't think [TS]

  anybody would like but I was thinking about then. How do you cross is divided. [TS]

  Sometimes you're mostly just want to use a tablet. And it will be like you know. [TS]

  I can see my e-mail account from either one. I can see it at Apple now. [TS]

  And I can see it in the I was mildly action still the same Mel not like I'm splitting my data like this because so much [TS]

  your data is in the cloud. But then you're like. Then you have to deal with the P.C. when It's in P.C. Mode. [TS]

  And all the things that entails [TS]

  and you're not really making any progress all you're doing is let yourself carry one cleverly hinged device instead of [TS]

  one conventionally inch device and one on hinged device. [TS]

  And as for the services one slightly cleverly hinged device that's really awkward and difficult to use a laptop. Yeah. [TS]

  Yeah. Basically I don't know all my. [TS]

  All my developer friends who have used Windows ten swear that it's the best thing ever. I haven't barely touched it. [TS]

  But whatever. If you like Windows P.C. You can get a window P.C. and There's other tablet or thing. On one. Neat. [TS]

  I still think the i Pad Pro is just the MAC one. [TS]

  Tend to agree with you can't touch the screen given Mike what wonder kid watching put the growing puzzle of your screen [TS]

  else that this is not an i Pad is useless to me. [TS]

  One of those blank square here we're now writing it on the bottom anyway I don't understand why that is at all. [TS]

  And the screen doesn't work. A touch and nothing happens. [TS]

  You know if you want to computer that's like small ultraportable slow [TS]

  and hard to type on the my pick one can't touch the screen. [TS]

  Screens you can't touch your broken I what I do recently I pretty sure that I either pinch to zoom [TS]

  or swiped something in Car and Driver and I was reading. Nice. [TS]

  I do that all the time I got it I had a recent one I'm like I hadn't done it I think I got to month run right hadn't [TS]

  tried to move piece of paper had to scroll and. Yeah. The problem is a lot of the times when I'm reading a magazine. [TS]

  I'm sitting in the same place as I would be reading something on the i Pad. Well I wanted to paper magazine. [TS]

  New you can do my I think I tapped a link wants to play. People are dumb. [TS]