00:00:00 ◼ ► Sometimes people just like the have something to fiddle with their fingers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► What else going on now think that we have nothing in the fog section as Wake except for a night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► and we decided we're not talking about this week and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/9">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► So we actually genuinely have no follow up for real as confirmed by John Syracuse himself. We had a long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/12">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► You know I was away on vacation and me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/20">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► You know we had a recording schedule what the hell was our last show about it was so long ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► It doesn't really matter. I don't know. So yeah. We should guest talk about Sky lake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/27">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► Because that's a thing as of today. Well sort of I mean I think the most boring skylight ships launch today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/32">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► The ones that go in like IMAX and desktops. Oh are they the most boring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/39">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► I think Intel thinks that they're the most exciting because they are extreme to use the ninety's parlance like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/43">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► the able to be overclocked like Intel is actually talking about overclocking in them you know to me like they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/49">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► ones they're sort of the P.C. Enthusiasm. Chips now that there's many of them left but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/56">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► Like maybe they think that's like the only place that is a potentially a growth market so I don't think they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/61">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► most boring ones maybe they're the least to relevant to people who buy Apple computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► Because like you said the does it just going to be the ones they go on the IMAX in the one thing on the IMAX are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/71">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► to be overclocked and. It's going to be the middle range one of the iris Prograf X. and It's like whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/75">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► But I think Intel think because they were released in an ounce of what is it Games com What the hell's the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/82">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► It doesn't matter anyway gaming related thing and so they're going to releasing the chips that would be interested. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/88">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Of interest to people who are building gaming P.C.'s and they want to know. I'm building my gaming P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/94">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► I want to maybe overclock it. Maybe I want to put two three four G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/99">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► Graphics cards inside it and getting them together in some way and so it's really about ethics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► and overclocking home I use are excited what Intel thinks are exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► but you're saying they're not exciting because they're not like the ones that are going to go in most of the max that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/116">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► Apple sells which are the laptops and. They're not anything that would ever go on a mac pro right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/121">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► No but it isn't it isn't even just that I'm saying. Even for the markets that they are intended for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/127">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► I think it's it's an incremental update at best you know it. What. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► What is apparently like the big thing with sky like is really you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/137">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► It's a small incremental improvement and performance. But it's a sin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► It's an allegedly substantial improvement and power consumption and battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/146">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► And so to have these high claw desktop chips come out that are you know high wattage high clocks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/151">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► Not meant for laptops for the power. Stuff it's probably not like super to Dinan or at least super emphasized. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/155">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► It's interesting. But only on a mild level for a very small number of people like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► It doesn't really matter if the desktop chips get ten percent more power fish and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/168">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► It doesn't have that big of an effect on I mean. Yeah yeah you can you can. You know slam against T.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/173">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► More and get a lot more clocks it may be but for the most part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► The exciting part here is when these come to laptops and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► Because we have heard so many things that sky Lake is going to be. This major power improvement in everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/185">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► You know the reality is that matter so much more in laptops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/192">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► So if we can actually get twenty percent more performance in a laptop or. You know twenty percent more battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/196">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► That's way more impressive and that could really make a big difference things like the mac book wonder the eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/202">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► and shareware the battery right now it's pretty short. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► Really for what you need it for or could it could allow Apple to. You know. Obviously I would hope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/212">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► With like the fifteen inch line I would hope they would use this new savings to get banks and battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/219">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► and bring it up like to twelve hours instead of nine or something like that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► or you know break up to six hours of heavy use instead of five or four. That be great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► In reality they're what's probably going to happen instead of the probably going to get redesigned the fifteen inch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► And you know I don't love that they keep doing that but it's at least interesting and exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► and certainly lot of people like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► And so you know that's where the action is going to be with sky like is when it comes to the laptops in the meantime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/247">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► You know I don't as a sitting here in desktops and not even the macro hit just sitting here like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/254">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► and in like high end. Mostly P.C. Desktops and maybe the IMAX. That just isn't that interesting to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/259">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► So I haven't read too much about these chips I think not everything has been released because even though they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/266">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► Saying the technical details according to non tech anyway are not coming out until Intel's developer. Forum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/273">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► Thing like we're going to tell you about the guts of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► but this is this is their god what the hell is the talk right. The new heart attack at the same it's not a shrink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/283">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► It's still you know for the animators. It's the talk it's a new architecture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/290">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► But what is new and different about that are gesture I don't think we know the details yet officially. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/295">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► And this thing is a link in the show as a benchmark in the mall like not an impressive performance game for the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/303">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► Some weird things where it's actually like a couple percent slower due to some issue they couldn't work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/309">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► when using external G.P.U. but Whatever like a low single digit percent increase the stuff that you're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/313">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► Power savings that are not of interest for the dust up things because like whatever that Sim some a power engine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► chips. If this is a new architecture. What is different about a going to give us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/329">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► This supposed a big increase in power savings because normally you think you get you get a big reason power savings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/335">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► made with a shrink. Right. But this is not a shrink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► It's just an architectural change and I guess like I read a news article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/346">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► I can see how they can get a little bit of savings out here for moving execution units around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► and having like the display some fixed function hardware in the display chipset so you don't have to send data out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/353">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► through DRAM and back into the G.P.U. Well you know all sorts of. Small changes to save power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► Lower voltage for the memory interfaces and stuff like that but you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/366">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► We don't know that it was I don't know the technical details of the entered So I'm curious as to where the big savings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► are coming from and I believe that they're there from you know our tipster and other people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► You know speculating about sky like saying that that is going to be a selling point of this line of chips that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► going to be well who care is not a big deal for desktops but for laptops. You can see a nice power savings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/388">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► I don't know where the power savings comes from because I'm think that'll be interesting especially if it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/394">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► not like they it's clear that they didn't spend time working on performance because like well performance you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► I was basically a wash maybe a little bit better. But power settings boy that's going to be great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► And we did it without a shrink. How do we do it so I look forward to those details when they are revealed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/406">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► Our first sponsor this week is our friends at cards against humanity. And as usual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/412">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► They have instead of a normal ad read. They have asked John to review a toaster. This week's toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/418">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► Is the Hamilton Beach three one three three zero toaster oven. This is a pretty big toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/434">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► It is what I would call for a slice toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► Although of course the manufacturer claims that it's a six life toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► but this claim requires the standard miniature bread that they use in the toaster and the box shots right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/449">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► Why they don't put anything in there for scale. But honestly that bread is microscopic so for a slice of comfortably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/454">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► Like Mr Burns is toast or has a mighty hump on the back of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/460">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► Those humps you know that I'm talking about where it's like it's some point in the past decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/464">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► or so all toasters grew humps of some kind because someone decided that it's great to be able to advertise a toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► oven by showing a picture of a pizza inside it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► And of course a pizza is not going to thicken it in a rectangular I've been very easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► but if you put a little rounded hump in the back of it you get a lecture room to shove your pizza in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/479">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and blah blah blah. You know my toaster does not have this John. You know any hump. You sure know. It's flat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/482">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► Is that preamp it's a preamp those there. Yeah. Wow. So pretty help. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► My toaster that you said was inferior to your toaster. Does not have the hump. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/491">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► I have a small hump most on the way. This. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/496">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► It's amazing the hump is made to look larger because the toaster skinnier at the top and at the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/499">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► Maybe the hump is only a couple inches or a reason same size as the average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► but it looks huge it really stands out the way this. Stosur shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/508">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► The wire rack is kind of medium gauge the Wire Act as not rectangular It's like a rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/512">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► and then there's extra little thing like a little house poking out the back to goes into the Help section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/516">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► but something about hump is that the wire rack is like it's you know it's a rectangle with another thing attached to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/520">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► Sticking out there. Supposedly And the purpose of the hump is to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► You know accommodate around pan for something like a pizza. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/529">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► But that's also does not come with a round pan which seems weird that this is that such a prominent hump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► and doesn't actually come with a round pander around rack right thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/535">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► L M like the promo pictures they show a pizza sitting on top of the wire rack of the toaster just like just on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/538">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► the wires not even in a pan. I feel like that would be a disaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/544">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► If they would have to already be done before it's put in there right yeah you cook and you put you put a fake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/547">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► or revenue make the food out of you know I think because of it so it doesn't melt under the hot lights. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/553">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► Comes with a rectangular pan the rectangle hand doesn't quite fill the the toaster edge dead general who did that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/559">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► purpose to try to allow hot air to come around or whatever. But it seems like kind of a shame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► Plus a little small Iraq that goes in the past on the knob situation this is a three knob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► Toaster top on it's for temperature. But you still need to set it to toast. If you want to toast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► Middle on is for function. Toast bake whatever bottom one is the timer knob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/579">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► And this is one more toaster all three knobs have to be in the right position in order for you to toast you gotta make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/583">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► sure the top knobs on toast and you got and you gotta turn the the function thing on toast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/588">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► and you get turn the right now. The bottom knob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► Every single time to a particular angle this new one on the knob also says please turn on time or not pass fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► and then back to the time that you want every time I don't even know if you need to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/598">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► but I think I feel like you can just turn it to like you know they have a very limited range like maybe ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/603">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► or fifteen degrees that constitutes the entire range of toasting. And you have to turn and that range. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/608">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► The knob feels OK. They don't we go or feel loose they feel like you know solid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► But they're pretty darn hard to turn the not very good be that like actually kind of hard to turn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/617">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► And the indicator of like where the knob it's pointing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► It is just kind of like a dull pill shaped lump in the shiny metal or shiny plastic base of the knob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/625">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► And the knobs are pretty tall so you're trying to line up like sort of a indistinct capsule shaped lump in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/633">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► and metal that on a knob it's like an inch off the surface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► And you're like way above on an angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and you're trying to line up that lump with like the exact unmarked spot in the ten to twenty degree range that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► constitutes toasting. The pending on like. What angle it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► It's really not easy to get repeat whole stuff and just wasn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► It feels like too much effort like your turning of the special you have turned past fifteen like force it back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/658">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► It's got four unshielded resist if you didn't on the Senate which I knew were going to be slower than the the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/666">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► thicker courtsey looking things for a minute thirty second post time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/672">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► Not great at least it's not over five minutes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► when it does toast it's pretty even one edge of us a little bit darker than the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/680">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► but it was kind of like a smooth gradient. I would say it makes acceptable toast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/684">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► Takes a little bit too long from tray. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/688">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► Blessedly come straight out so you're much less likely to dump the crumbs back into the house during a trying to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/691">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► it so up on that door feels a little flimsy but at least it opens all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► and you don't feel like you're breaking it at any point. The little clause. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► On the door that like when you pull the door out also pull the tray out a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/704">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► The toaster the same problems elements where it has two different positions for the rack. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/708">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► And you're supposed to use the middle or higher position when you're making toast. But the little claws are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/712">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► We talk about how do you deal with a little clause to pull the tray out when pulled the wire act out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/716">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► when the wire I can be in two different positions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► and a couple in a minute manufacture the clever things that the fancy Breville one has like magnets which I think are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/722">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► This one just punts on and says you know what our little claws are only going to pull the trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► when it's in the bomb to this moment in the top position locals do nothing just kind of lame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/731">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► I don't know who made that decision especially since most of the time using it in Toast mode. Aren't you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/737">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► I don't know maybe most time to are using it of an OK way it seems lame. I have never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/742">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Until now consider the possibility that a toaster oven would have multiple rack heights. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► Are we supposed to be changing our rack height thing and we cook it. I never have does yours have multiple records. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► I have no idea of never even though it's pretty hump it could be primo to Boracay So the one that we had until it broke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/757">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► recently so I am a toaster oven lists. Which is terrible. I know a guy who I some extra. Yeah so I hear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/763">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► It had a very interesting design it had a wire rock. That was kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/770">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► In an upside kind of a huge shape sort of a mean was flattened. But the way it would work is you would put it in with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/777">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► When it looked like a you. And it would be very close to the bottom of the toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/785">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► And then if you put it so that it was an upside down you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► It would bring the rock such that it was about the middle of the toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/793">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► And you listen to my reviews I just reviewed tested had it exactly chair couple of the same poster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/796">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► Years might have different I think a lot of people buy these never look at the manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► and if there's nothing written on the surface. Most are they just put the rack wherever they want to and that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/806">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► But yeah. In recent maybe five years ten years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/811">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► Most toaster ovens have been coming with rocks with either multiple positions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► Yeah usually multiplicity because the higher position the position of looks crazy to all of us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/820">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► when we were growing up the toasters all had the rocks way down low on the bottom of the only place they would go that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/824">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► Now the toaster ovens all seem to have a higher position it looks way too high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► but that's where they want to do basically everything except for bake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► They want you to toast there they want you to broil there only if you're baking yourself to bring it down to the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► of this one is no different when you were toasting it wants you to put the rack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/841">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and sort of the midpoint of the Alvin and only when you're baking you're supposed to but down on the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► This is a step backwards in toaster oven convenience because the whole point of this thing it is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► You can put basically anything a toaster oven and get OK result out of it with very little effort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► Once you're putting in the complexity of multiple rock heights and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/858">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► It's not that complicated I feel like the toaster oven is used either mostly than I've been mostly as a toaster so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/861">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► there's kind of a default position and honestly if you just leave it in the high position. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/866">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► Bake things find it mostly they want you to ease the bottom racks of your baking something that is tall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/870">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► So that doesn't get like if you're baking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► Something like maybe even just a big baked potato maybe start getting too close to the heating element on top you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► to move it down but I don't think it's that big of a deal I think it is an improvement because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► when they were on the bottom. It was basically impossible to get even toasting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► Because you're so close to the bottom elements have so far from the top one. That is always. You know rapture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/890">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► When they're in the middle to better. But anyway. Overall of this toaster. I give it a passing grade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/895">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► but it is certainly better than some of the really really bad toasters rooted recently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► And it's fifty bucks Ishtar what it feels quality wise like a fifty dollar toaster. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/906">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► I just barely it's passing grade I think. A glowing review. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/913">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► Thank you very much to cards against humanity for sponsoring once again. OK. So I have big news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/929">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► In an otherwise completely empty week. Are you guys sitting down. Are you running for president. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/937">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► I am running for president as a Republican like the rest of the country you know not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/944">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► Let's talk about that the people of that. Let's not know there's not a fast text update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/948">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► I have joined twenty thirteen twenty twelve twenty twelve whatever. I have a written a mac now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/953">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► Lou do you have it or is a work computer sitting next to me but it belongs to work. All right well. I mean that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/962">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► Baby steps you know. That helps. Yeah. Take a step in right direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/972">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► So the funny thing behind this is I was talking in in slack with the bunch of people including the two of you guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/976">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► About you know. It's about time for me to get a new personal machine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/984">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► I have errands MacBook Air that I'm using right now which has been under water about eight times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/989">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► I have to late two thousand and eleven high rez into glare MacBook Pros one with a platter drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/994">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► and a ram which is mine. One way it's a and C. and Sixteen gigs of RAM which is works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► I knew it was about time to upgrade. And I know it's probably for Scalia. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► And so I knew I wasn't going to order anything for me. Anytime soon. So this colleague one comes out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► But I've been working really hard lately I'm really getting sick of my work computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► Having screaming fans anytime I do anything and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► Really I was supposed to get an upgrade in June at my three year work anniversary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► Because that's when Apple Care runs out and. I didn't get one then for various and sundry reasons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► And so today just mostly to be snarky I emailed or I T. Guy and was like Hey just a reminder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► Not only is this computer. Three years old in that I've received it three years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► But even when I got it at that point we weren't buying new Macs are buying refer to sold Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► and so even though I got it in mid two thousand and twelve it's actually a late twenty level mac and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► So I said that really just to kind of remind him that I'm looking for a new mac at some point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► Next thing I know he's going to the Apple store and getting me. A fifteen inch for the macro which. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► If you're going to choose a problem to have is a pretty solid problem to have. So yes I got a maxed out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► Fifteen in trying to mac book pro. The funny thing about it was I had concluded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► Along Well really because of the to college. Steven Hackett Marco and a few others. I should get the not discrete G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► MacBook Pro because there's really no need for me to have a discrete G.P. America Pro I said to our i T. Guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► Listen I think what I want is the not discrete one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► But I want the terabyte hard drive if I can get it I want the old maxed out. Processor Viking get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► But don't worry about the ball or ball or one just get me the Intel G.P.U. One that's all I need. So he it's OK Got it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► He comes back three hours later whatever it was and says Hey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► Also I gave you the super loaded one because was only a hundred dollars more and I figured you'd like it but thanks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► Thankless enough. Man is kind of the problem when like. People know you're interested in something and want to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► If someone's like Marco likes coffee right I should buy him some coffee but you don't know anything about coffee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► And you're going to buy Marco coffee. The odds of that like. Maybe Marco do appreciate the thought of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► But it's like especially if Maher and you're in THE SITUATION like it's their job to buy you a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► and you have preferences and you communicate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► but you just know if you're not there during the purchases like they're going to do something they think is a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► thing to do it's like if I could just let me just tell you exactly what to get just get this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► I know exactly what I want just get this. Yep and that's what I tried. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► But they feel like they want to do something even better like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► Give me the give me the credit card I will order a card at the even better if you can get them to do well in in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► defense you know not only was he trying to do the right thing and get me even more than what I asked for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► Not only that but I'm pretty sure part of what influenced him was that he could have this computer today and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► If I had gotten the not discrete G.P.U. One. It was and. You know that's not carried in any normal Apple store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► Well the base model is the not would not with the terabyte and the upgrade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► Exactly so here again like I'm not mad about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► I'm actually really excited have a new computer because again I was much as I do love my high rez anti-glare fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► inch MacBook Pros. They're both getting pretty. Long in the tooth now. But I bring all this up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► Actually because I wanted to share what it's like to have a written a mac for the first time in twenty fifteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► Because all of you have lived this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► but I haven't so I want my moment in the sun damage in all of you I don't have any right to mags. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and cheese grater so you don't even count how why the only one of the of like three alleged Apple experts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► How I've been the only one who had a retina mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► Since two thousand and twelve for the year although the only one who loves to buy expensive things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► and Solomon by different expensive things are as Casey and I are much more cautious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► It's more that it's more that John you use don't own laptops generally speaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► Two of them sit in the room when they are right now. Yeah but they're not yours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► You know like I think I think if you were the kind of person who who bought a laptop for yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► I think you would all you would have had one sometime in the last three years. Yeah that's definitely true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► If I was a lot the person I would have had a right on one time ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► Say and I am a laptop person but just like John said I try. Be Frugal whenever possible. Usually fail but I try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► And so one way or another. This is my first retina mac and I'll not try to make this fairly quick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► Retina screens are beautiful. Arrest in a display. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► To live is the very best viewing experience that first an OTA Secondly I noticed a is ALL MY GOD. Everything is he. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► Because I'm used to this high rez anti-glare MacBook Pro has resolution I don't even remember offhand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► Six hundred eighty. A store. That sounds about right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► Whereas this fifteen inch Retina MacBook Pro is considerably less than that effective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► Resolution fourteen forty isn't fourteen forty yet but you can change it there's a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► and you can vary the scale of load for yeah right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► But native authority I would keep forgetting about the native native two X. Four hundred forty that is tight. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► It is huge Everything is huge by comparison which is a little bit weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► I haven't yet changed the scaling I suspect I'm going to it's only a matter of time to just change it it's no big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► Just change the name. Of where do I know that from I don't even. You're not even going apple references anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► Other To be fair I don't remember what he was talking about I don't which of which app it was yeah I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► but that the Agha's memory. That it was a jobs email. Just change the name of that big of a deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► That was the first thing on earth second thing I noticed after how beautiful it was was all MY GOD I HAVE. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► I cannot put anything on the screen everything is enormous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► Yes I am aware scaling I just haven't tried it yet I want to live with it as it was for a little while first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► The third thing I noticed was you know I'm trying furiously to prep this thing for for work tomorrow and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► I am installing V.M. Ware Fusion which is the particular V.M. Software that I use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► Just because that's what I bought for every go and I have never switched parallel since Susan's way better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► Please don't email us. I was installing the I want fusion and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► The first screen that comes up after whatever generic like ten screens. Pop up for the installation. First real V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1374">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► Ware Fusion screen comes up in old mice. Holy. It is ugly. Everything is what has happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► And I've never had this experience before in so ignorance was kind of bliss in the past because everything was blurry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► But now it sticks out like a sore thumb and I can already tell this is going to get annoying really quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► Now to be fair that's the only screen I've noticed in using this such as this machine in the last couple hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► That was like that but all my god it's so blurry. What happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► Yeah it was way worse back in two thousand and twelve like for anybody who bought some of the first generation right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and I prefer like it was way worse back then because web pages were all just looked terrible like you know software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► update itself pretty quickly. But it's the web a long time to really get into having high D.P.I. Versions of anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► And so and web sites on retina still you'll occasionally run into one now that's not retina. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► But they're much fewer and further retune than they were in twenty twelve. But you know. To be fair V.M. Ware has head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► Three years. A more if they were you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► Once the i Phone four came out in two thousand and ten with its retina screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► You know any observer we've been like you know. This is probably going to expand to the rest of the lineup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► We should probably get ready for this. That when the retina. I Pad came out a year later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► You know what we should probably get ready for this. That was two thousand and eleven then it's like OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► Now it's like anybody who has still not. Retina ready now like that's their fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► That's that this is beyond reasonable and where doesn't really have much of a U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► So maybe they just don't have done dedicate the resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► and have a department that is responsible for up there in the graphics because really like you're mostly not looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► V.M. Ware as Euros are looking at whatever. Virtual Machine you're using inside the thing you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► Right and to be fair this is an installation screen and. I haven't gotten to the point that I've put a V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► On the machine yet but I believe that all of the. Honest to goodness V.M. Ware screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► Will be ratified or whatever you want to call it. Hi rez while you complaining about V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► Ware by the way I have a a pet V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► Ware bug that has been with me since seven point zero I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► or they're up there now they're seven point something point something whatever one seven came out I had this bug where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► and shows me that little screen that shows you're like a virtual machine library with like the little screen shots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► everything and. If a launch at that thing comes up and I quickly double click the V.M. I want to launch it crashes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► Right. If you let it launch event that screen with a little I break them up. And you just wait a couple seconds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► It's one of those old school bugs like classic Macko S cooperative multitasking memory grab just wait. Just let it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► Just let it sit there and then go over and double click it's on and it's been a repeatable bug through mult. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► Little minor I think they even do like a major that the seven point one of the get multiple revisions every time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► says Senate crash report I do I think it is going to Apple the and we're probably never see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► but boy I love those kind of bugs words like. Just don't touch it. Just be careful just wait just wait wait. OK now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► What the hell could it possibly be I have no idea anyway. So that's basically all I have to say about computers so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► It does seem very nice I had the fans did kick on once or twice as I was doing an installation or two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► They were super quiet I don't know if that means that their wider in general now I don't think the metrical is pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► in surveillance and propelled through Skokie cavities by fans. With the face of metric the position blades. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► In most fans. The blades of position symmetrically which creates a single identifiable frequency. Weekers ition Alice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► Asymmetrically to spread the sound of a variety of frequencies. Which makes you seem quite and less intrusive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► A recall to the conclusion. Makes a contribution for to receive benefits to use. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► And so that's the thing is I've never experienced this for myself so that was very exciting doesn't seem like a jet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► engine slash hairdryer anymore which was very happy about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► So I have to say so far about like software and whatnot. I will note however that this has a four star trek that. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► Marco's favorite thing. And so you got four times the pixels in infinitely fewer buttons. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► Still just one if you are by the way. Anyway. When you first get a brand new mac with the force. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► However there is a magical switch one can flip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► But Hammett be very talk about the magical switch was making you say that when you first get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► It's like the words they're like water about it you comes out of the box not touching any start using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► What repels you. It's that. There's a click. But it's almost it almost feels like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► I don't like a fingernail got under the trackpad. So like it clicks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► But it doesn't feel right it's almost Moshi the ones like a third. Yeah I guess. I don't know it just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► It doesn't have the depth that you expect yes I understand there is no depth it's all an illusion I'm just saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► know if you don't really think about that fact and you're just clicking around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► You're expecting more depth than it has it feels like something's broken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► So you're saying it like I think you know like a traditional button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► but rather than going all the way down to feels like a ghost about like half travel. Perfect description. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► That's why we keep you around. That's exactly right. So I hated it. I hated immediately. I had a feeling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► I was going to be able to get over it but I hated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► but I thought to myself Self why don't you take a look in System Preferences and such a consist System Preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► and sure enough there is a completely. Unlabeled are two completely only able to flyers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► Well I should say completely I'm labeled there's a there labeled click in tracking speed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► Click did not mean anything to me. But there's light medium and firm as the three options. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► And I realized after thinking about it for second it was like What the hell is all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► When I switched from medium which was the default to firm. Angels came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► Came down from the heavens and everything was right in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► The pressure you apply and activate like a mike that responds with Tom Feeney. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► So now instead of just seeing what's happening on the screen. You've seen it too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► And I have no problem with attractive anymore. They have no problem with that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► Do you like better as a just like well is acceptable at the same to give the money he got the right next to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► why go back and forth likely break. So yeah. I mean I'm doing this mostly to get a rise out of Marco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► I wouldn't say I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't say I like it more I would say I like it marginally less. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► It doesn't feel as crisp is it used to and there have been occasions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► when I think because there is no physical depth to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► It's misconstrued when I when I'm dragging or core clicking and holding and when I'm not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► It's hard to describe and I'm really get put my finger on how to like reproduce it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► but there been occasions where I've thought I've released a click. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► But my thumb is still physically resting on the bottom of the trackpad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► And the software seems to think that I'm still holding down on the button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► Have you done the thing that some people have talked about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► Like with the with the physical button because it was hinged on an edge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► We all kept using the thumb because the bottom on the usually near the bottom of the bottom part of the split the quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► but when no part of it moves they're all equally valid so you can stop using the thumb sort of theory goes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► And use whatever finger using to control the cursor is also the finger the used to click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► and no matter where you did the same exact amount of effort required Have you tried that is that even a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► My brain understands everything you just said My hands are already writing in results for that I think it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► easier because it's not coordinating like you're not courting you're not trying to like really press my thumb over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► but then let me drag my pointer finger over. There it's all just you know one thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► I totally understand what you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► and all all snark aside I just I think would be really hard to train myself not to use my saw a perfectly reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► thing to do I mean I'm sure I could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► It's just it would be hard for me to train myself to do that so anything like it's one of those things that is made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► possible by the forest trust trackpad and of course is not what we're all used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► but like maybe someone who this is their first laptop ever like a kid like just Except. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► They say their habits are built on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► And they would find a barbaric time to press down with their thumb in this particular edge of the thing while moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► your finger over there I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► I haven't tried either I had trackpads overall in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► and what I've heard that from other people I'm just wondering if you should give that a trial I give it give it a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► chance to be like maybe this is better although I think you're about to talk about something else that is even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► potentially blasphemous about your track bad habits. Before we get there let me use rebut slightly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► What drives me nuts about the force to extract that is not that I hate it I don't hate it. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► I know that the next time I buy a laptop it's almost certainly going to have one and I'll just have to deal with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► and that'll be fine is not going to stop me from buying a new laptop forever you know I'm not going to like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► old version forever because I don't like this trackpad like it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► I don't hate it that much like your apple expanded keyboard to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► But what I find unfortunate about it is that what you're saying is you're basically in apology mode for it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► Or this is great here for this unreliable thing and the click is almost as good as the old one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► You know it so it's all these apologetic. Excuse excusing statements about it because it really isn't as good and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► What bothers me about this trackpad is that we had a great trackpad before that very few people had problems with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► know yes you could only click firmly on the bottom to those things at the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► But buttons used to be at the bottom on many P.C. Laptop they still are that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► That's why it was his that way it's why we use a thumb on the bottom. And everyone's been fine with that it's and fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► More importantly it was rock solid reliable. I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► I don't think I've ever miss clicked on a track pad that had tap to click disabled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► To go make some flick to get to take home with the trackpad that is such a fundamental thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► and to make it even even five percent or one percent less reliable. You know. It's like it's like if every. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► If every fifty attached to the space bar. Just didn't work or inserted an X. Instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► You know he's making fundamental input methods. Slightly less reliable than one hundred percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► Is I think a really big annoyance. I think ever she is nice but the point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► The fact is if you're really good with the trackpad and you don't have to click enabled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► It's very reliable like you very rarely have like. Unintended results from it or missed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► Clicks or missed gestures it's very reliable. With forced touch. Yes they did something that's really cool technically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► But on this fundamental level of reliability even if you can get over the feel issue which I honestly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► I still don't think it's as good even on the firm setting. I've heard that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► Happy Time makes it better in software I have not given a fair if I that yet but I heard that's better I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► But even with the click feel. Aside for now. Which I don't think it was a small thing but put that aside for now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► The fact that it got even a little bit less reliable the fact that it is occasionally misinterpreting what people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► you want first person to say that Casey. I had that problem and I when I own one for two days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► I've heard many people who had to say who still have the same problem with it where it is a little bit less reliable it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► is like you will occasionally have a mist drag or miss click or something. That to me is unacceptable. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► Why make it worse. Like to because that is it's making it worse. Why take something that is so good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► I don't know if it is making it that's what I was getting at with asking about the habits I don't know if it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► making it worse is making it worse for you and for people whose habits are trained on the old one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► Because your finger you'll find your fingers doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► and acting in ways that were appropriate for the old device that are not appropriate for the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► but I'm not entirely sure that if you know like ignore all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and say this is the first time anyone ever use a track by this is the first computer they're ten years old they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► on this thing is it works for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► I'm the that's one aspect of the other aspect that you talk about reliability of like I don't want to missing clicks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► and stuff like that that may be tied or habits but the other aspect of a stick think of like the the i Pod. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► Cook will remember that thing. The spinning wheel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► Apple quickly got rid of the ring that actually turns and changed into a ring that does not turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► Your finger around the channel and people don't like that either because it was like well yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► Maybe it was bad because that ring popped off all the time in the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► but I like the fact that it actually moved now I'm swipe my sweaty finger across plastic that does not move. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► How is that better. Well you know it's just a reduction in moving parts Apple loves to reduce moving parts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► This is a reduction in moving parts kind of sort of mostly. Is it. It it I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► It is because like the four sensors there's not a crack it opens up in like a said fingernails can get into food crumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► Exerting aside the whole death and battery thing which is you know is a big motivator for this like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► It is one fewer moving parts and is more uniform. It is like I said the whole surface is equally capital. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► Maybe it'll take a couple versions to figure out the feel. And there. And stuff like that in the reliability. I'm not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► I don't know because I don't have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► and I don't know if that's just because your fingers use it I know that it's coming from a mouse trying to use any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► I felt like I was you know just completely unable to but I thought it was a huge barrier between me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and the cursor all the sudden because I grew up with a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► and not attracted to me a long time to even become vaguely comp of the track bed and even now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► and drag something with the trackpad like with a traditional one I have I'm an actual physical buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► and behind me tell you that when a lot with the regular button. All of them I feel like a terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► And the for such track but I agree with you it doesn't feel as good to me but I feel like I'm more reliable clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► and dragging again to having his own for a long period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► but I'm I'm willing to believe that even though you dislike this thing strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and it is worse for you is no no that's not what I said. I don't dislike it strongly. I just think it's worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► I know you can though you. Even though you think it's worse. I would say. It's definitely worse for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► So far even though you don't have a very long time either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► but I'm willing to believe that it's going to be better for people who aren't used to the all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► and I'm even willing to believe that can actually be better for you three or four years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► when the mechanical is a totally gone and you just kind of get used to it so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► But a mark in your calendar for three years to get from now to ask you how you're feeling stuck trackpad on now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► Like I get Apple is forward looking and they're saying the same thing with like who's going to use these trackpads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► You guys are member this but he's that trackballs down there with a button above and below the trackball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► and use the trackball either with your thumb and then with the other thumb on the one of the top button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► or you use the track. Trackball with your finger with your thumb on the bottom button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► Some people use a trackball some people like them and they replace that with you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Code Name itis the touchpad think you're like Whoa what the hell happened to the trackball this is worse I was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► better at controlling things I never had any mishaps or swipes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► or whatever the ball was due to control I could feel it moving back and forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► and no one is like this track that sucks i wish i had a track ball right so I feel like this is one of those type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► moves where it has the inevitability a few moving parts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► That is very in line with what Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► and what technology moves do in general just because it allows you to make think the Naren lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► and there's be with things that slide back and forth against each other and I think it may be perfectly acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► and possibly even better depending on the habits for new people so I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► I just I still say the jury's out on this thing. We're going to hear from all the trackball users by the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► Yeah we are known remember no Remember the trackballs and Power Books. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► Some people still use them like they're the big external debt problems they still make them all yet another. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► That's the people who don't understand how mouse works and I'd like to turn it over the ball the sitting down guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► I don't know numbers and I thought Paul and I that I guess. I was an expert cleaning mouse balls let me tell you. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► I made to get tweezers. To peel off the big like. Yeah. Get it all in one piece. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► If you're if you're lucky Oh come off want these going to scrape it. It's so gross. This is so amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► So yeah so in case we weren't going to get enough email. Let me make it better. Trackpads are barbaric. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► The only one true mobile pointing device is the track point. Period. That is the deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► You know I kind of wish we still had track points. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► Like an Apple product because I think I agree with you because I had. I had Think Pads from e-bay back forever ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► Before I get myself like a new laptop. I would get like old terrible thing pads on e Bay every couple of years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► For like three hundred. So I had. I had track points here and there briefly in my younger years and I like them a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► I really really like them a lot but I wonder if you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► If you know the same way like I thought the sake of Saturn had awesome graphics. When it came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► And then I thought you know. Ten years later and did not think that anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► I wonder like do track points still hold up today. Then they never held up it's what it's like flying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► Flying the space ship. Cursor pointer. With a joystick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► That's what you're doing with the trackpad you are basically riding on top of the cursor which is a spaceship that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► are controlling on the screen with a joystick. It is not in direct manipulation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► Crack pads are better than little track point I know people like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► and they have one advantage which is it allows you to keep your fingers on the keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► You just gotta move your finger over between the F. and G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► or Of the hell the thing was in the keyboards and use it over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► and ignore the fact that it's cutting into your key caps a little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► And it's good to keep everything the same place like that's. That's one advantage. Everything else about it sucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► Like as in how quickly can you move the poor cursor toward something that you are interested in all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► You know get out of the thing about it is. If I'm really honest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► Myself most of this is an astrologer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► and if you don't know what I'm talking about the track point on a Think Pad was always almost always read if not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► read. They were also often times put on Dell's among many other manufacturers it's a little nubbin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► That's in between I think it's actually the G. H. and B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► Keys I don't have one in front of me but I believe that's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► And so you would push a little not in a kind of was basically a little joystick you push a little nubbin you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► forwarding back inside side. And there were Mel's buttons. Immediately below the space bar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► And that's where most buttons were and. I would for why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► and it was so much more accurate to me then I am on a trackpad even after having a trackpad for the last. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► What eight years or something like that ten years. I still genuinely prefer a track point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► The one place where Track point. Just completely falls down is Multi Touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► In terms of like swiping So for example what are they called now as an exposé now is a Mission Control now though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► feel like they're always changing the name but I've lost track Mr control as of a couple years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► This control thing where you can swipe between desktops that I'd use that constantly. And not being able to do that.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► What is a three finger swipe not being able to do that three fingers why would absolutely ruined me on a Mac.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► But any time I'm on a desktop. Excuse me anytime I'm on a P.C. If there's if it's a P.C. That has a track point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► That's immediately where I'm reaching. Because I just think it's better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► And I think Im still more accurate with it even though I never use one anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► But to be fair I think a lot of that is missed all ginned in it's because it's what I grew up on because my dad worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► for I.B.M. and So I was always using old Think Pads just like Marco and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► And so I've always always always used track points up until I started using Macs and C.S.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► Still think the track points the way to go when John you're entitled to your opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► and strong as it may be please don't e-mail us do the things you don't have opinions about the things you can test. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► You could have just you know a series of targets you have to get and measure time for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► Accuracy and like you can actually figure this stuff out for an individual person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► For people in general if you don't testers like we don't have to destroy any theory that could be tested. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► You know you can also test whether vinyl sounds good or not but when if I ever cared about that had also been done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► You're right they can be tested and has been so check. All right track. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► But I have you ever seen the mouse with the track point in it we had them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► Like a think of where your think of where your scroll wheel is that seems crazy to me it's like you've got a mouse in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► your hand. Sometimes people just like the something that the do with their fingers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► And I say we have at least we've been calling it the nub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► and we've been staying away from the various other names for this thing that. Yeah. We're good. We're doing well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► The other thing I wanted to say is. I happen to think that track points are terrible but as excusing our track points. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► Touchpads are terrible. But as touchpads go. The Apple touchpads are far and away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► Leaps and bounds better than any other touch pad it ever used and I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► And I think the multi touches a lot to do with that but some me the biggest reason that's true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► Is because of the sheer size of the touch pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► Because maybe it's different recently a newer P.C.'s haven't used a terribly modern P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► In a year or two but on P.C.'s up until at least a couple years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► From the trackpads were Heinie they were postage stamps compared to what you get on an apple on an Apple device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► And that just made it impossible to me it's like Have you ever seen someone to use a mouse on a space that is nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► near big enough for that mouse yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► but use the cell David cell like a mouse pad is there like four inches by four inches right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► It's not even a mouth bad yeah it's just that we're in so all you hear is the entire time they're using the SO HERE'S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► because they're constantly picking up the damn ounce and putting it back on the table. It's the worst. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► I think give us a music like at a point of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► Sale and they don't have a place for the mouse it's like wedged between like the monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► and like little Thanks They're literally using you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► I was like I have a centimeter of slop and so like thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► Get up every three pixels they move the think sometimes they're using it upside down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► and never see those people know that I've not seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► That was a big thing back in the early days where people aren't familiar with mice and they would get one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► And you know there's no clear way you're supposed to use it if you're never using me for so they would turn it around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► so that the wires coming out sort of towards them. And you know the mouse works fine like that it's like inverted Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Axis in a video game right. And they would press the button is a single button double with their palm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► Left or right side of their palm and some people just got Want to using a mouse like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► and that was just it that's like that's the way they're going to use now so the rest their life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► and someone eventually comes I know it goes around the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► and put your fingers over here in the like Oh well like the other way like you get used to inverted why you get used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► using the bottoms of your palms and that's who's to say that bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► Really I mean you kind of run over the court a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► but you know it's was all used to some people left handed talking of leave that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► Are you sure those weren't just trackball users that you are misinterpreting as mass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► No I've seen this I've seen this in real life multiple times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► Why only separated geographically and over a period of time people who use the mouse upside down. I've never seen that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► Well I'm with you Casey I I would rather use a a forced tux trackpad on a mac book one. Said to the squishy a setting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► Then use the best P.C. Trackpad available. Oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► I think it's not just the size two it's also I don't know if they're not made of glass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► You know it's too expensive but they're always made out of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► Sometimes it's textured plastic or some other kind of plastic that feels bad or like ends up getting like bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and it just it just feels like the cheapest they never felt in your life compared to like Apple has trial the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► trajectory they riginal code name I distracted on the first up our book was plasticky and guard. But G.N. Terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► That's what Windows trackpad to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► Now Apple slowly progress making its track bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► and might just the might distract that was really tiny it was like like the size of the to combine mouse buttons on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► And Apple does get making the bigger and bigger and bigger and making the button part smaller and smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► and then moving the bottom part of making a glass and P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► Manufacturers that you know what are you know sloppy the plastic on here with some cheap sensor hunting that's fine for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► now the only other thing I want to say because I don't pick up to doff enough people yet the seeming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► I used to have to click. And I just want to throw it out there. I don't have a problem with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► I don't see why everyone so worked up about it. I don't see what the issue is. I don't typically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► Click by way of tapping. But I can go either way I can swing either way and I'm OK with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► Do you do you just using TAP TO CLICK now and with a new thing have you always you know. Always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► Well then you have no reason to ever complained about missed clicks or accidental quite right. Yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► Yet you deserve any unreliability in tapping that you get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► I think no I think that the quickly I'm not super Andy tactic like. Here's what I think about how to look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► If you are attached to click wizard. I think it's better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Like I feel like the expert mode because you don't have to apply a lot of pressure like if you have somehow trained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► yourself to magically dance your fingers across a surface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► And you can walk about the line between putting your finger down into the thing and tapping to click. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► It is more efficient because you don't have to press hard right. But I can know I can't do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► I know when I enable i get missed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► Clicks all the time and I try to do I would like to be a tap to click with her but I'm just not right and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► Almost everyone else I've ever seen. They accidently had to click to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► And they're just that is willing to accept the error rate as just the cost of doing business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► Because there's more comfortable you don't have to press it hard there is sort of a a luxury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► and a kind of a higher level of user interface like it's one step removed is waving your hands in front of something a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► Minority Report style or with ALS a thing called the track pointy thing. Remember that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► I actually use that I've attached to my computer is cool the thing where you go and put your hand over the photo bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► and you see that this five point three or five finger tips and move them around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► Why what I think I like i'm application of all you guys all remember. Well anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► So I actually one of the reasons why I think I resist. Tap to click. Is because I secretly want to be a tactic wizard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► If I was really good at it and really used to it because it does seem like it would be superior if it was perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► And there's lots of time to go I'm using a laptop in bed trying to get some work done before going to sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► or something like there's lots of times even while pod casting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► I would love to you know get like a Magic Trackpad and be able to like to have to click on it comfortably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► And there and then have silent. Now saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Well pocket you know Celtic I would love that but I just I've tried it here and there for like couple days at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► and you could never get into it and it's not that it's not reliable it has a threshold. This is a tab. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► And this is not a top right. It's just that you can't walk about line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► Very often you will find your fingers hitting the pad with enough force to go over that threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► and you didn't mean to and you don't have control that threshold really either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► So I think it is you know as reliable as a button it's like if you press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► or doesn't want to FORCE I considered a click give your resume and last lot I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► but you find your finger is hitting the thing and causing taps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► and you didn't want to buy the by the name of things called Leap Motion on your member. Late motion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► I think I've heard the name. Go click the link I just put in the chat room and the show not you'll remember it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► I had one of them I tried it out when the S.B. K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► Was and like bad or whatever it was really neat and cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► and fun to use in the demo I'm not sure how you could use it to control any piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► but it was a cool tech them a. I have never heard of or seen this in my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► You had to we had of them like the show notes I think for this show at some point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► What I mean it's pilots possible I don't have that kind of memory but I don't think I've ever seen them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► or heard of a different show meant a lot of hi guys anyway. Take a look at the videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► This is a real thing and the demos like. You can get the stings to confront your mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► And do the thing the show on the demo no works like it shows in the demo what I'm just not sure about is like OK can I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► Is it useful for me to use to control my mouse pointer. Probably not as a useful for gaming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► Maybe maybe someone can make the game with that there is a lot of noise and kind of buzz in the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► and there's a lot of freedom of where you can put your limbs in front of it so there's the potential to be a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► miscalibrated off but. Sure is an interesting piece of technology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3071">TS</a>]
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00:52:06 ◼ ► And three razor blade cartridges and this is a lot of people might think this is like double edged a few razors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3126">TS</a>]
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00:54:24 ◼ ► So Marco it's also about what you think is happening with the i Phone six C. Is that interesting so I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► So there's been all the everyone speculating that. You know that there we've had the i Phone five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► Which is like the redone i Phone five with the plastic case and everything and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► You know everyone's now saying well we hope this fall with a new i Phones come out there's gonna be a sick see every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► kind of expecting it as if it's fact like Oh yeah they're going to be a six seater going to redo the internals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► and everything and it will be the Sixes guts in a plastic four inch. Inexpensive phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► I personally I said on Twitter earlier this week I don't see that happening at all because the simple reason is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► always for the last many years now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► We have seen pretty pretty solid healthy amount of parts leaks in the late summer leading up to the fall i Phone really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► is because the fact is the supply chain for making millions and millions of i Phones to be bought all once day one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► This just like. It is it is very unrealistic to expect that they would have a brand new model of i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► Even if it isn't the top of the line when they would have a brand new model using a new casing a new parts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► And those parts. Wouldn't be leaking at all yet. It is possible if I do think it's unlikely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► And so I think if there was going to be a sixty. There would be some changes to the casing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► Certainly even if it looked kind of the same. There's always minor variation you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► Whenever there's like an ass model. You know where like the case stays a bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► Basically the same but there's a new guts. The the parts are actually different enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► Even on the casing that those always leak and those in fact have leaked already for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► What is called in quotes the i Phone six S. Presumably like the main. I Phone six Update for this fall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► There have already been leaked parts for that there was a back case there was a screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► So we have seen nothing else though there. We haven't even seen the six S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► Plus parts leaks yet why assume there will be one because I'd be weird if there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► but you know so always seemed so far as a success parts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► I would assume based on that then that we're not going to see any new totally new looking extreme cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► And they were probably giving the C. I Phone five. And i Phone six C. I think the i Phone five. See. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► Falls out of the lineup or replaces the four S. Which is still for sale today in some markets right isn't that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► Unlike some like India and China markets isn't that still for sale. The for us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► I think so I don't know I mean I remember when they were saying they were keeping it but only in certain regions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► but I don't know how long right so I assume. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► I think it's probably safe to assume that the that everything basically it was down a step. So you have the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► and a lot of like you know rich countries basically you have the cheapest phone becoming the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► And then you have the old six and six plus maybe at least the old six maybe the six plus who knows. And then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► The new success and success plus. And that's the lineup. And I don't think there's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► It doesn't seem like is that hard to predict. And you know maybe there's going to be a new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► You know Rose gold color people are speculating who knows but I don't think we're going to see a new low end model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► I think that the same though because I think the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► Have a lot of really good attributes so obviously the guts are outdated or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► and if you're going to keep a phone like that on the in a lineup you have to change the innards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► but does our talk about likely the do i Pod Touch like oh and eight and a five C. Size case like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► You could make that into a replacement. Five C. Type phone which would be the old four inch screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► The thing that has going for it for the people you can ask someone who owns them why did you get this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► We all know somebody who is like. And I was developer or otherwise tech nerd who usually gets the best fanciest phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► But decided to get a five C. What's so great about the five say. Number one comes in colors. People like colors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► Just people like them. You want to have a phone with a white back or yellow back or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► These Your choices are you just get a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► and slap around people like things that come in call if the i Pod taught us anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► Number two it's super comfortable nice curved back like the plastic the people who have them in like them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► Say one of the reasons they like it is it feels especially compared to the stupid five and five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► With the little sharp. Chamfered edge crap like not as comfortable in your hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► And those two things may sound stupid like who cares. Whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► How comfortable it is just a big rectangle is free and what color it is those things matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and specially in product lines and. I think that. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► Maybe didn't solve the expectations maybe didn't think it was worth it may be better just keep using the tooling for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► the things I'm not saying it has to be in the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► Thing I just think those are things that Apple should bring to its phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► and they are kind of like giving you know over time there have been more and more variations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and all the profit in a lot topless point you're getting golden space grain stuff right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► Expanding the repertoire of things you can buy. And if Apple wants to segment it's a line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► You can kind of do like it used to be like aluminum was for the expensive ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► and plastic for the cheaper ones they went all the Manana and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► You could have a more kind of refined a line of colors but space greying gold and black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► or whatever for the fancy high end phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► And then as you go middle or lower have them come in seven hundred different colors right you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► Have different colors change every year and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Mark on where you're making our little case with the holes and it was mixing and matching things like that silly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► They're overpriced. People like to do stuff like that maybe that particular design was ugly and didn't sell well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► But I really really think that Apple should bring back at some point. Into its lineup of phones. A selection of colors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► And a more comfortable thing to hold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► And if it's not going to be this generation then hopefully like whenever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► or the bigger vision for the seven a revenue caught. Well but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► and first of all I should point out that I'm total hypocrite as I'm sitting there saying who the heck ever bought multiple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► holy cases for their i Phone five C. S. I also own three Apple watch bands but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► I'm so angry that I didn't get to point that out. All right. But also you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► If you look at the direction Apple's going with their product designs. All of the laptops now. Are metal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► They've been that way for a long time. They just don't use that as a differentiator anymore they use other things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► All the i Pads are metal plastic every step headline. If you look at the i Phone Line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► The i Phone six is hold a pole uncomfortable for nobody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► It's more comfortable than the five other than it slipping out of your hand don't you feel like the edges at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► rounded edges are more comfortable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► Oh yes they are much more comfortable for as long as they're in your hand than they. Fall out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► I know I'm just saying like that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► I know what you're getting I LIKE THEY GOING FOR ALL metal but I think like metal is a poor fit for all of your phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3655">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► It may be a poor fit for any of your phone just look at how they struggle with like the antenna lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► and everything like Oh sure. No but I thought I gree with you however I was saying realistically what they're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► It sure does seem and I heard from back when I was first complaining about the F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► On site design which now seems like forever ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► I heard from a couple of apple people who were kind of cool really suggesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► Well what if the rationale was in state they would have actually said this is why we did it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► But but the quickly suggested rationale was basically your naked robotic core theory of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► We we will just make the thinnest lightest phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► The smallest and it's like this thing and then you can customize it with cases. To give it either more battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► and I did you know with with the i Phone six this is the first from that I'm constantly isn't a case on because I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► in Apple's leather case because I just needed some more friction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► but it is a valid products try to like I'm not I'm saying that's of wrong thing to do because if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► If faced with this option this is a great way to go but you're like do whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► but the case will make a whole bunch of really nice cases. You can buy a bunch of third party cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► When you drop your phone when you're doing it when something spills on it when you scratch it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► Get a new case because all the damage is happening to the case which if you buy from Apple seventy dollars for a letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► stuck to plastic but let's ignore that for now. And just say look this is a good plan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► Nigger about a quarter of them is a viable good strategy. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► See I disagree with you there are so what part of the that don't you like. The problem is that if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► Let's say you has a naked robotic. You know fish phone in the middle there with the feel like nothing in the bar so OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► That phone with. Let's say you want to little bit more battery life. So you buy a battery case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► A battery case attack to the phone is always going to be bigger and worse. Then just building that in to begin with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► I agree with you for the battery I'm thinking only for fashion and protection like for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► What color do you wanted in and when you want something to be grittier R R soak up next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► or whatever battery you're right because your I mean if you're forced to have two layers there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► and then all of the stuff like all the people still do it right and I still think it becomes a viable thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► But it but it in a fish and I agree with you that basically that the tradeoff that Apple makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► and its fall in line between centers and battery life we talk about this a million times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► There is definitely place in line up for for a phone that Apple sells that makes a different trade off the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► and by the way if your most important thing is you need a really good battery life we sell you one with that as ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► You know a millimeter of the how we can equate cigarettes these days to give you more about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► and at this point like the six plus is kind of that model just because got the bigger battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► but yeah apple just does not make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► Does not offer a phone that's like that so they force you to get these big humpback speaking of humps on things these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► big humpback things that you're right you have to have a layer of plastic of metal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► The battery another layer plastic of metal than a connector thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► and then it just makes your phone way bigger than it would be a thrill that in but for the color and protection stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► I think make your robotic or is a reasonably vides viable strategy but also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► So is selling plastic phones that are comfortable and come out of much a colors. Well but so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► So going back to the to the feel and protection issue though. I would say that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► Selling a plastic phone and selling thicker metal phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► That is a better strategy than selling all the new bar soap phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► and letting you put cases on afterwards because the fact is people are always going to cases on if they want to case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► like anybody who wants. Extra protection for their phone for dropping everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► They're going to case to matter what shape or material a phone is doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► For people who don't want to put cases on their phone. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► And there's I think a lot of those people and I think a lot of Apple people. So I just took out my I got my five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► Here. M I five S. With no case which is how I used it because it's very comfortable for me with no case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► Is thinner and lighter and had my i Phone six. With the big leather case on it. The argument of like the battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3891">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► Being better has built in. That applies also to the feel of the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► So I'm I'm both agreeing with your earlier point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► and disagreeing with your most recent point where I think things like the nigger but of course as you falls over here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► Because I think you're better off just making phones. To begin with that can be used without cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► And have good battery life. If you want those and if you want to even more battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► And if you want to even bigger grippy or more protective case. Those are options you can add on as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► People always will do that but the basic phone I think needs to be better than what we got with the six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► I'd say I think that all the phones have been pretty darn slippery right. I did that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► That is not as a leader who by the way you never actually own the neither one. My wife had a four S. and A five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► And with or without the case. You know like I've. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► and of course I felt other people ones like you're right the Sixers slipperier a lot of positive with a size change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► like that's why your five and five S. Are lighter because they're smaller phones right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► Sure but I always like or be phones like I was like a case like silicone or something like that and the leather one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► I need that proving that you can't build in that group in is because by. By the nature of that grittiness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► It wears out it scratches the dense it peels away it is subject to abrasions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► You just can't build that into the phone so you're going to make the fun of something it has to be something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► smooth and hard and shiny. Whether it's plastic or metal because you can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► Like you'll be terrible to make a megaphone that you buy the basic like the whole back of it is leather. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► Right but I like the feel of something that a back by letter so it has to be a removable case for that material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► but you're saying is like before us with the glass back or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► or the five with the metal thing like make it out of a sturdy material that doesn't scratch and doesn't wear out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► and then really subject to abrasion. But also isn't slippery. And that is really difficult to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► So I feel like if you're either going to go naked robotic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► or for metal are you going to go non-metal material that is nevertheless pretty hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► You're never going to be able to you shouldn't I think make a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► That has like integrated rubber grips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► or indicated silicon things because you're just asking for the phone to get ding dumping ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► and then it's like oh I can't take this off it's not a case it's part of the phone. How does five US feels great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► Five us on Twitter I forget some who say on Twitter maybe was a tipster maybe with someone else talking about how Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► was having difficulty with that. But the five and the five us. It was it was the five only yet. Because I was I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► I was asking like you know what the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► Where there was a failure and we know what the reason was for it like it apparently got better margins and my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► My theory or my question was like what it would continuing to make the five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► But just just the advances in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► and mass production would they have had similar margins like was it really is that much worth it.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► And the answer apparently was yes. Because on the fuckin member the five and the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► The the black color was different between the two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► The five had had a very very dark black color I think it's called space by whatever is called the five Ascot lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► color space great anyway. The black finish. On the five. Shipton flaked off. Really really easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► And most of the time like. I like my five. I saw this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► Most of time it would show up on the on the edges the sham for the edges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► You'd see the bright colored aluminum shining through the plate the black finish where it had like chipped off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► and everything. So apparently that was such a big problem for Apple and getting yields on that and everything.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► The tipster said that that that was one of the biggest reasons that they switched to the plastic for the five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► Rather than continuing to make those black cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► As the five eggs and went down the line of because any phone they make where they don't do a five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► Replace it with has been every other one D.'s are made for like what four years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► They're made for a long time it isn't just the year they're the newest phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► So if there was an issue of like this thing is proving to not a jeweller have too low manufacturing yields. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► It might be worth it for them to switch out the entire casing and redesign the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► and so that was clearly a contributing factor. Very likely to the five C's distance. But we don't have that now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► All the talk about yield Otherwise we're talking about and we can't remember back to the cause of the white back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► Here is the white ones member like where they talk about the yellow talk about as they build this fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► and he goes on the manufacturing line at some point the manufacturing process as a random sampling of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► and you look at them as they do does this pass our quality standards and what our standards can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► and not have any next going to has to be uniform color can you know whatever their standards are an Apple standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► they're pretty darn high in terms of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► It has to basically be perfect looking to the naked eye and maybe even with magnifying things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► The ones that aren't perfect it's like rejected like this one came off the line it's a. I Phone five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► It's black all over except this one little part here if like can often a shiny reject it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► and every time you that it costs you money because you spend less time and you factoring this phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► and You don't get to sell that as of on you've got all the parts of the be recycled back when you start over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► and try again so that's what talking about rumors about yields these things all down to what your standards are I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4194">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► What would your conversation on Twitter was one of the things that was offered was that the way Apple dealt with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► You'll probably Benchley was they started lowering their standards a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► Just like to not have not to be rejecting what I don't know what the percentages are and again this is all speculative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► Rumor blah blah we don't know this is all true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► but these are all things that sound plausible because we know for a fact that all manufacturing has some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► and we know based on what Apple sells that their quality control processes must be pretty tight because every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► open up on the Apple boxes and look about going under and jewelers loop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► It's pretty darn Flyman look at the for can watch like. It's pretty amazing what they do on a massive scale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► And it doesn't take much to throw that off to say now this is costing us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► Big bucks because if our yield goes off by just some small percentage or fraction of ascended. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► That's that the big deal to us but setting all that Assad. Colors are cool and five C. Is really comfortable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► I'm still a big fan of that idea of a phone. If not that specific phone because now the energy or old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► You know it's funny because on a daily basis I typically have my hands on three different generations of i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► I have a six I have it in the leather case. I've used cases. Since shoot I think I had one of my four S.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► I did not have one of my three G.S. If memory serves. And I had one on my five S. So I am a case kind of guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► That being said Marco I completely agree with you that even if I wasn't into cases for my phones. For the six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► I would absolutely have had to put one on because I do agree that it is slippy or then than any other. I Phone of and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► But anyway on a daily basis I will typically have my six in my hand at some point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► I'll have errands five S in my hands at some point that's in the Apple leather case just like mine is.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► And we use my old three G.S. As a white noise machine for Declan when he sleeping. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► And so all typically pick that up to turn on the white noise. My three G.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► Was a you look nice today on loop player for Adam Oh he was sleeping when he was Ipsita Exactly. So. Because of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4312">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► I feel like I've I have a pretty good span of several different models and to my hand. The five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► Is far and away the most comfortable. I agree with you John that the five C. Is actually more comfortable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► But we don't have one in the house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► So if I were just truly for comfort if I were to pick a new i Phone tomorrow it would be a part of my ideal i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► tomorrow is the guts of a quote unquote success in the case of a five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► That's if you had to hold a vote if you had to start actually looking at the screen. Completely agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► And I think I have to have a six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► I still think the six plus is a little bit freakishly large but maybe if I had one I would change my tune. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► What's interesting is so. I know this is very very unlikely. It's almost certain not to happen in this revision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► And it's even very unlikely for the i Phone seven. I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► Or for any i Phone just because of the nature but what I would love is. If the the D.L.C. Space Black Watch finish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4374">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► Was available on an i Phone and i don't know enough about the materials to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► It would probably have to be made of stainless steel I don't I don't know if this could bond to illuminate in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► correct way. But. So obviously this is a massive stretch of the imagination. But if you could do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► If you could have the stainless steel D.L.C. Coding from the space Black Watch on a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► Somehow it whether it's made from still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► and I don't care if you could do that that I think would be perfect because Elmo is going to have your virtual heap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► But that be great because the space bar coding is extremely durable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► It looks great it is very dark but it looks great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► and it kind of feels like it's almost like a rock wrapped in vinyl kind of feeling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► It does not feel like slippery metal. It is a little bit tackier it's a little bit more friction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► It almost feels like plastic. Yeah. That would be amazing. I completely agree. Or like to make it out of plastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4433">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► Feel like plastic we have that we can do that it's plastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► Kind of like a not so shiny kind of mat finish really hard plastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► You can be unapologetically plastic so and so that once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Yes So probably not going to happen because of the materials and cost involved but wait. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► You called it weighed like want to make it out of one of the big cylinder you have the Hudson. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► Yeah you make a tungsten foam. The very small cylinder I have that's heavier than that book one. Good grief. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► All right I do have some questions about upgrade cycles and some other things but anything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► It's about the hardware and what may or may not happen in a couple months. Actually next month. In theory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► Marco had some bold predictions about flash storage capacity to. This is boring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► Well you make these predictions on Twitter like I totally think this is going to be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► when it comes time to the bad guys like me not to think is going to be either you don't because I'm I'm not ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► make this prediction but you seem very sure. Well what happens is I make these predictions on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4495">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► And then between the time I make these projections on Twitter and now we record the pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► I've had hundreds of people tell me I'm an idiot I'm wrong. So then I do some self doubt but. My theory here is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► I don't think that we're that we're going to lose the sixteen sixty four one twenty eight split on the high end models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► now. I think that's I think that's going to be here for at least one more year. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► Sixteen gigs for going to keep going on that. And I just think you know everything else like the like the the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► The existing six and if the six plus days which I actually predict six plus won't stay in the lineup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► but doesn't that's not that important. I'm guessing that it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► Basically what it did this past year where the six that we have today moves down a slot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► Becomes available in sixteen and maybe thirty two. Because right now right now the. The five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► Is available in sixteen and thirty two. So maybe they would do that again. And then the existing five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► That we have today is sixteen. Only. And then the. What's below that. No that's just the five C. The five C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► Right now is only eight right. I think that's right. So God I hope the five S. Doesn't go to eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► She's they've got to stop doing that. Nothing's going to. Leave. I'm still holding out hope for a thirty two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► I would love if the base was thirty two. For the new six S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► but I don't see it happening on Fortunately some someone want an argument very like you don't need any more apps an NG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► I'm slicing. Yeah I mean if you look at least you know the direction that they're taking with so many I.O.'s nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► You know part of that obviously that they have a lot of phones out there already the in the installed base that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► sixteen or even eight gigs of of space which is really unfortunate and really tight and really stingy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► They they have a lot of phones out there that have those capacities already. And they're going to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► They want all those to be able to upgrade to nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► So that's a problem that they that they were trying to solve but if you look at all these like app then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► and the various resource things they're doing all the stuff there. And there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► They're also promoting happening very heavily to send out a bulk email about it today and her universe to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► and you can now test with internal testers which are useless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► All this stuff so they are clearly they are clearly laying the foundation for a world in which tiny capacity i OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► Basically I know I feel like you know there is a reason for them to do all that was like you said all existing devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► but I I fear someone also use that to explain why we have to continue making sixteen gig devices in this next round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► and why we don't have to make thirty two. Totally agreed. Wish I could have been there and said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► You're well from what I've heard from from people here and there. What I've heard. Which has no credibility whatsoever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► Is that it is very very hard to convince the people at Apple who matter like about things like this to convince them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4672">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► spend the extra couple of bucks on the bill of materials to get the bigger RAM chip or to get the bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► Flash memory chip. I believe it. I've only seen the evidence of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► and there are some tradeoffs to like you know with ram ram use battery life so I would like you know there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► chaos there but a lot of things just come down to making sure they have very very healthy margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► and other things like that right and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► and just Time marches on it's like alright I understand you have reasons for but eventually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► You know you got it and it's like addicts kicking and screaming dragging their feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► and leaving bumping the capacity is like you have the capacity of the Can we cut out thirty to make keep sixteen yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► let's do that that Oh that will make me feel better for the fact that I gave you the larger capacity that we put two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► gigs of RAM in the i Pad three kind just kind of get rid of the thirty doing good sixteen to money money money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► I just wish I could convince these people of the of the long term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► Downsides like that look at our customers that what long term downs out there talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► and totally invisible I agree that's probably invisible them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► But we all know from seeing the experiences like that that it's like tiny little nicks of doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and damage for the person who can't lie can't upgrade because their phone is full of like I will fix that it's all for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► the next version. Can't fit all their stuff on it and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► Well we'll figure out more gracefully handle when you run out of store. Like all these things are good to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► But another thing you can do is stop selling sixteen gig phones. That's nothing you can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► And eventually you have to eventually you have to like you have to venture stop selling ates you're going to much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► the don't want to believe that it will be sixteen forever like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► You know I don't want to have to use my argument again which doesn't have a name that we've agreed upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► but has a like twenty seventy five sixteen gig. I've always find we did up the name some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► You got operate eventually people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► And it's just a matter of arguing over what year it's going to be and I feel like the year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► I want to be is like two to three years ever than the year Apple wants it to be so we should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► So what kind of time scale we would need to to get that you just need them to agree that that is going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► And then make them take which year it's going to happen it. Yeah you agree with me this technique will go away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► What near all that happened well not this year for sure. OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► We've narrowed it down not this year will happen next year not next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► but ask me again next year we'll have in the year after that and you just keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► and then eventually you're seventy five years out and like look we're all dead now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► and you still think the basic need bones like I just scans to have the margins. Can't do it. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► Well because you know if you think about like. You know the i Phones for Apple's financials point of view. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► You know from the stock and from you know their their fans will perform and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► The i Phone is their most important product by a long shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► and anything that drives up the average selling price of i Phones. Is a pretty big deal to them. It's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► It's a huge deal for for their money it's a huge deal for Tim Cook's evaluation like by the market and the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► and maybe the board who knows. But that's not how they operate though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► Because you know how they could save a lot of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► Use crappy materials and doubly so obsessed with a stupid chamfered edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► but those people the people who want that stuff to be perfect. They win the arguments they say. Well sure. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► We could do this much more cheaply. And we wouldn't have always Q.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► Problems and by the way to be tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► or wants us to know they didn't actually decrease their stance they do is increase their standards earlier in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► production process to not let those cases end up being a bleed or. Those people win their arguments. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► Because you could save tons of money leave you to be a P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► Manufacture make sure you track pass out of plastic it's a way cheaper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► Look at those huge margins but they don't do that why because they want to make the best products they can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► And I feel like at this point. Selling phones for one hundred or two hundred dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► With or does even you can even three hundred dollars one with sixteen gigs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► Of flash storage is making your products worse for people in a way that is avoidable. With not too much. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► Wouldn't hurt your margins that much in the same way. Like if you need to trade off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► Maybe find a way to make it out of cheaper easier to my I think they did that I think a six Plus it's easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► manufacture this curve piece of aluminum than it was to manufacture the five in the five S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► With little chamfered edges it seems like I don't know any minute accurate it seems to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► This one must be cheaper to manufacture head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► So that use some of that money that you saved making easier to manufacture case that either to get the pass he way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► Put that into maybe having a thirty two gig model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► Somewhere in your lineup and maybe not selling sixteen at the top of the line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► But it's it's not about saving the you know five or ten bucks whatever the cost is of the flash chip in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► You know going from zero to it's about the people who upgrade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► Who paid the extra hundred dollars to go from sixteen to sixty four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► Who wouldn't have done that if the base model was thirty two. Yeah you're right I know it comes out the money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► Like there's always going to like well they're really sensitive money is a big prog line any small change in a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► the cells in this volume for this amount of money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► and he writes the anchoring it's like well I don't want to sixteen is my only other choice is sixty four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► and they can charge more for sixty four sixty or so much bigger than sixty eight like all that stuff is all true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► Just like you know those type of pricing games and stuff like you can play those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► but the worst thing you can do is put a product into the hands of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► That is going to give them a less satisfactory experience a spec. That will just get worse over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/4983">TS</a>]
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01:28:04 ◼ ► Well that's not even true it was like kind of in contract on it was weird anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5284">TS</a>]
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01:28:33 ◼ ► and Most of the other carriers have largely done away with the subsidy. And two year contract. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► Dance that has been going on for forever and a day. Do you guys happen to know anything about how this is working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5320">TS</a>]
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01:28:59 ◼ ► I heard that they won't do subsidies at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► or that they you have to do these like eight hundred next type plans were like you pay per month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► Additional amounts for the phone for like X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5346">TS</a>]
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01:30:48 ◼ ► Give the fact also like it was Aren't the carrier is doing this cross all their phones or just for the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5448">TS</a>]
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01:33:52 ◼ ► There was nothing like the subsidized cell phone market like. There is nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► It's such a weird little oddity of a market where everybody buys a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5637">TS</a>]
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01:34:36 ◼ ► the high the early phase of smartphones like every new phone is better in some significant way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and eventually that will start slowing down just like it did with feces. Maybe but this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► This subsidy model that we've had has been I think. Artificially inflated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► Both the prices that these companies can charge for the phones. Because you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► And i Pod touch with an eight inside and the great screen and everything is two hundred bucks and. That same device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5694">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► In a phone is six hundred fifty to have a bit does it a bigger screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► I think yeah I bet it's very right in there they can make more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► and same thing with the carriers like oh how how can it carries hearts and minds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► You know because they have a monopoly on all the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► You know a near monopoly on all the stupid cell towers and infrastructure and the barrier to entry to everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► and all that other crap like why is that. Why are they able to charge us so much money like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► There is not enough competition in the space of a cardinal sin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► but even though they're feeling the pressure of the place where there are competition there is enough pressure to drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► and a lot of the read you know like oh it has been so subsidize who's subsidizing it who is doing it it's the carriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► because they know the total lifetime value of the customer is huge because they're going to get some massive monthly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► bill the people to be like are at I.D.S. I just gotta pay one hundred dollars a month for my health family or more Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► Use cell phones because you've got to have a cell phone and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► So who is subsidizing this carries like Alright fine Apple will pay you seven hundred dollars good you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► lifetime value of the customers huge because like you said you know you get huge bill it's monthly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► They just feel like they have to pay it like a utility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► If you're lucky you have limited or no competition in your area for or maybe like one other company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► or two other companies that you can maybe collude with unless the two team mobile in their thorn in your side you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► like that or maybe ever I was in your network of mediocre but everyone thinks of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► when the country for some reason. A man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► Well it's better is better than to Mobile's right and you know and the barrier to entry is high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► And so that should start to work itself out hopefully that they can just continue to charge huge amounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► and if they can't charge huge amounts of a lifetime custom value of it of a customer is not as high so they can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► They won't be giving Apple as big a subsidies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► or not like a new I don't understand enough about this change in pricing to understand what's motivating it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► What they're doing is better for consumers and a worse for Apple and carriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► and so I'm obviously missing something big air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► Yeah I generally feel the same way like I am maybe the carriers are trying to take away some of the power of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► Yeah I could become be a power struggle like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► but I definitely think that this is most likely to lead to longer Phone upgrade cycles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► Which is bad for both of those and lower monthly bills. I think you can be a power struggle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► Make sense to me because I think you know you were always on the Apple who made more demands of the carriers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► Because they couldn't because that's kind of the of their hard negotiators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► and you know for a long time I was just an eighteen to you know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► That they've made more demands and one of those more demands as you're going to pass a higher subsidy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► And they would like well you know and we you know I'd put your crapware on our phones and all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► and from the caris perspective I think I like Android phones better because they have more power over the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► phones and as far as they're concerned like I'm in care of the crappy calling use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► I just get you pay me your monthly bill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► So for a cat from a carriage perspective it's better if you buy one of their cheaper crappier phones they get to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► their crapware on. They don't care if you. You know buy a new one of those don't buy a new one like whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► I think if you like from Caris perspective they would be happier if people use cheaper crappier phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► but just continued to pay the high. Same high monthly bills. You know. It's better for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► Then having to deal with Apple in all its demands not being able to put their crapware on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► and having to pay them a bigger subsidy than everybody else because every one of the Stupid i Phone. And so yeah that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► That is an explanation that makes sense to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► and tireless sure it's not the carrier shooting themselves in the foot because it seems like as demanding as Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► and what power they might have Android is the majority of the market anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► and so they really need to just like continue to smush apple into an ever smaller slice of the pie I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► Well but Apple Apple still has a lot of power in that people are willing to switch carriers for i Phones and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► They don't they probably aren't as willing to do that for Android phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► and also they don't really need to center fund everywhere. But like you know if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► If Apple decides not to work with your carrier anymore that's kind of bad news for your carrier. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► I guess that's true and you know Apple customers have a lot of money because the phones are expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► and so maybe the good customers who can pay for your fancy are plans for you over charge of them from our band with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► that really doesn't cost you much more and. I don't know what do you really think that Apple would say to a T. and T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► or Arise and no I'm not going to be on either of your networks anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► Like there's no freakin way that Apple would do that they might threaten it or allude to threatening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► You're right you know have negotiations like I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► Hell they were on eighteenth only for real on time which if you look at your like boy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► Seriously Apple still eighteen The only like when is the Verizon i Phone coming you know and well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► but hold on though that's because at that point in time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► Marco was absolutely right that back then Verizon really was the only network that really freaking worked. And so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► Verizon had a lot more leverage and I think that eighteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► or excuse me Apple couldn't put the squeeze to rising like they did eighteen to Apple held out Verizon had to leverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► it seems like Apple should have been forced to come over to arise and even sooner because Apple because their eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► and had all the leverage were the best network you're on that crappy hurting you in the press you should totally come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► over to us but Apple held off for a long time so you're saying it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► What Apple ever even threatened to pull out of like you know eighteen to or whatever. No way I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► I feel like they would said whether they would actually do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► Probably not but maybe they threat but no way they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► and also I just want to quickly underscore what Marco said earlier. I have in this actually a kind of good transition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► I have a Verizon. I Pad Mini the original Retina i Pad mini. I love to say my retina Pad Mini came with a rising sim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► But I got eighteen mobile SIM after the fact and I'll flip back and forth between them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► Willy nilly as I see fit in my phone like I said earlier is eighteen C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► So I I have devices that can use data on eighteen T.V. Arise in the N.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► Mobile in Marco I could not agree with you more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► Everyone who has been a loyal Verizon user for a decade or more swears that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► Rising has the best service in the entire world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► I really don't think that's true at all I would even go so far as to say I think a teensy service is actually more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► robust and faster than Verisign. In any way or ever typically travel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► So I just wanted to say amen to that I agree with you sort of people telling the world however I totally agree I do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► same thing where I used to have her eyes and phones back before the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► and I had Verizon data sticks for a while after that and then I started tethering and then and then I got her eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► and i Pads. And so I've had an eighteenth the phone and Verizon data devices for a very long time now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► And it is no contest that the Verizon like Verizon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► Used to be the best network and I think they are they have banked on that with their reputation for so long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► So they still have the best coverage in the US anyway just in terms of like total square miles of where you can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► decent signal. I think they might. But. But a T. and T. Has closed that gap so much like that right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► There are places like those don't have a team to reception. But they don't have rising reception either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► You know certain places of a state that they have neither. They have no kit no carriers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► And that's fine it's been a very long time since I found a place for eight hundred he is not covered but rise and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► and the opposite. Where I have tried to use Verizon data. Somewhere. And it has like one circle and is unusable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► And then I'd go to trade T.N.T. and It's like three circles and perfectly usable and fast. That happens a lot like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► I really think that Verizon for whatever reason I don't know if there's if there's a radio theory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► The to back this up or of this is just coincidence. Verizon seems to really suck at indoor coverage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► Way more than eighty and he does. And and this. Anecdotally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► This is always been a problem like people rave about how how much their Verizon phones are great right is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► network. NICAM into your house and they can make a call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► You know or like like what I have or other phones like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► Be great to be going to a grocery store than all the call drops already data doesn't work anymore like it has always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► been the problem happened for eyes and I have. Members and friends who still have rising today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► Those problems have never gone away for them and A.T.M. T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► Has really the best thing that ever happened eighty and he was Verizon i Phones coming out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► Because that unloader a lot of he and his network. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► Like eighteen T.'s network has been rock solid for me for the last I would say at least three years of before that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► was a little bit spotty. I'd say for a good three years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► Eighteen T.'s network has been awesome for me with tethering it with travel all sorts of different places with voice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► Everything has been solid and Verizon. The Verizon devices I've had. I have been only. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► I've only seen mediocrity from them. The Verizon people I know who use it on their phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► They keep complaining what the same mediocre problems that I die always had with rising back in the day and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► I don't think I will buy any more Verizon devices because my original the original reason I I would buy a rise in i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► Pads. I keep made him to phone is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► What if I'm somewhere where eighteen he doesn't cover very well but rising covers a better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► And it used to be the case if it was like when I would travel to San Francisco for D.V.C. I would use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► Like I could use the faster one for tethering. And that one was usually Verizon one back in the day when L.T.E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► Was first coming out and everything that was the Verizon one in the last two years I would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► The Verizon one has never been the faster one. Not once like it. Every time I try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► Like I always and if you can go back to phones away faster. So I think I'm done buying for eyes and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► Yeah I agree with you and I know that there are people that are listening right now they are saying oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► but in my particular part of the country be that completely rural or completely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► What the hell's the opposite of rural urban. Thank you God I had a total brain fart there. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► Completely urban or completely rural Verizon is the only one that works you all are crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► I'm sure there are parts of the country that that's true. Well that's what I'm getting I guess we don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► We don't go to the whole country. We go to like or five spots in the country right. So I'm sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6295">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► Even if those five spots a city city rural city it's still entirely possible to Vera's I'm still has the best coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► in terms of if you put a little pin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► Every square mile the country and check a signal strength great Indian Verisign that arise and still covers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► Like that has always been a thing with rise and not necessarily that is always the fastest connection but that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► If you sample the entire country. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► You can get horizon signal or a strong of arise in say one more place of the Indian eighty eight I was a teen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► I'm assuming they've been building out on the population centers for New York City San Francisco or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► and there are still places where you can't get either one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► but I'm like I don't know I know I'm in kind of a cell phone dead area the only thing I know is a team mobile gets crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► signal here. And that I can actually receive phone calls inside my house with Verizon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► I don't have an eight hundred data point to go by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► But I'm still entirely willing to believe that Verizon still has better overall coverage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► And then it just boils down to OK but I don't go in the whole country I go to the seven places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► Who has better signal who has faster data or whatever and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► or thing I think Mosconi must have some kind of a rising repeater because I get crazy good signal there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► and I hear you see deep inside the bals of that building. Through like many layers of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► Maybe they just because they like five brick fabric partitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► or whatever don't you get all summarises maybe you don't use resonate more well I get also maintained he coverage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► their eyes to the. Point where I usually don't join the wife I with my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► I don't I don't you go I fly the more user eyes and Ollie and I get great signal fast download speed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► So I don't you know again I don't like Verizon week indoors type of thing whatever is going on is the feeling that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► can doors there. Now. You know who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► But anyway the one the one of the thing I want to talk about that was probably rap is. I kind of cracked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► The screen on my beloved. I Pad mini. When I was at the beach. Holding it I didn't drop it. It was in my beach bag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► My book bag. And I guess I had for whatever reason maybe Declan had an issue or whatever I didn't flap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6413">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► The Smart Cover close. And so there's this little hairline In fact I thought it was a hair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► Cracked So if you're holding the i Pad in portrait. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► It's just a little like semicircle that only dips into the visible screen area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► Right where the edge of the battery indicator is when you're holding in portrait in the portrait right side up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► Orientation. Ruined. It's ruined. It's absolutely freakin ruined. So I don't know I genuinely don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► But I know ways I it wasn't cracked I put it in the bag that we had towels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► And the camera and a whole bunch other junk in that we were to that we'd taken down to the beach. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► It had this hairline crack in it I presume we picked up the bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► or threw something into the back I genuinely don't know you are we all know that I fess up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► when I do dumb crap to my devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► I genuinely don't know what happened it must of been my fault some way but I don't know what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► And so the reason I bring this up is because it was about time to upgrade the i Pad anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► I was like the i OS nine stuff I'm actually kind of amped up about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► For the i Pad and saws probably going to get a new one but now I'm definitely going to get a new one. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► I really happen to like having cellular. I Pads. I understand that most people tether. And that works for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► I'm still on the unlimited plan on eighteen C. Which doesn't allow me to tether. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► I understand that I could probably save money and it doesn't matter blah blah blah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► This is the way it is this is what I'm dealing with this is a choice I'm making. So I'm going to get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► Probably a new i Pad Mini with cellular. This upcoming fall. The question I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► And that I genuinely don't know the answer to is my understanding of this having not really paid much attention last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► couple years. Is that a cellular i Pads have the apple sim in. And what I'm not clear on is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► My recollection when they first came out was that once you committed to any of the carriers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► You're locked to that carrier on that Apple sim. So your device could choose between Verizon or T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► Mobile or what have you up front. But the moment you choose That's it for ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► Is do you guys have to know is that true. Or can you flip flop willingly. No idea. I have heard the same thing as you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► But I have no idea whether it's true. Someone someone who knows without question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► Not just anecdotally like if you have some sort of web page somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► That describes how this works I'm assuming Rene Ritchie has something somewhere and I just don't realize it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► I would love to see it so it's a nice tweet or some like that because what the reason I bring this up is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► I like I said I bounce back and forth between T.-Mo and Verisign I find that T. Mobiles coverage doesn't suck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► However when it is good. It's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► And so it's much faster than Verizon and oftentimes much more reliable for than Verisign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► When you're in a metro center that actually has two mobile service you know one of the through three areas of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► country. Inside like to be able to flip back and forth Additionally T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► Mobile presently is giving me two hundred makes a month of data for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► I don't know if that would still be the case in a brand new i Pad but I'd love it to be the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► And so I would rather not get that the apple SIM locked to Verisign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► and maybe the answer is if Verizon is the only thing that that locks maybe I do what market was alluding to earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► and I. If I flip flop at all I do it between eighteen T. and T. Mobile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► But if there is some clear documentation somewhere that I can read. I would love to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► I would love to read it so please a semi a tweet. And let me now I'd really love to see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► It's probably worth considering just getting a variety. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► Sam and swapping that in and out or getting a second apples in a pride I will tell you a second apple symposia right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► Oh I didn't know that yes Martin chats with only five bucks I don't know if that's true or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► but I mean for this kind of concern first of all just putting a T.N.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► On it is probably the right choice and you could probably add your phone plan for some minimal cost per month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► But you know if if you're going to do spotting at all between carriers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► You might as well swap since it's just you know just to be safe without the new avoid this entire problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► Yet told I actually genuinely did not realize that that you could pop a different same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► and I didn't know if the sim was like soldered into the board. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► Because I really haven't had to pay attention this because I wasn't planning on getting I'd had until this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► and so now is when I'm starting to think about these things and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► And I'll have to do some research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► and maybe we'll have some follow up about it since I know John you're probably very sad about the lack of follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► this week. Thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week. Cards Against Humanity. Harry's and hover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be because it was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► It was accidental. John. The mom going to be seen with him. Because it was then a little dental was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6708">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► And you can find shelter nom de de de da. And if you aren't there. And he was no says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► So that's keep lists and A and team are cool. Ahmed Omar thirty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► Let's take the risk you learn just ARE BEING thing about an extended family member on vacation this year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► Oh you know I am related to somebody who is using. And I was device with a completely cracked and shout and scream. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► We've seen them in real life you see people's that in their you know if they're swiping the if on long their smartphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► And you look closer and you realize the thing is a spider web. Hell cracks through the whole thing. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► Everyone it seems I'm wondering that and you think. Why don't they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► WELL KNOWN think that that fix is just like a permanent thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► or they're going to put a piece of packing tape over to say you know what I'm not going to use it like this until my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► contract expires in a year and a half and they just do. And you wonder like eventually will they will lose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► They're going to slice their finger open on that is this a permanent state of being go they get annoyed trying to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► through the cracks where the refraction makes a little image messed up or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► And now I'm related to someone who was doing that I could not I could not convince them to pay the ninety nine dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► or whatever it cost to replace the screen. Of the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► So they're just going to keep using it like that until I don't know until they stop using it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► Speaking of to do you guys know how much it is to get the. I Pad mini screen replaced. Not worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► Probably more than ninety nine to the obviously this is this once I got a phone sized of us was I can tell you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► So my. My kids I've had has a cracked screen it's a very small crack but it is a crack. And so we listen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► It's the very first I've had many with terrible not written a screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► We listen to what it would cost to replace the glass and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► It was I forget exactly what it was that it was something it was basically like is the cost of buying a new i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► or is very close to it for the low end ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► It's probably different like an arrow you're saying you know if it's worth five hundred bucks then it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► different but for the for the minis. It's like two hundred bucks and it's a really. Barely if at all worth doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► It's a bummer so yeah. So we just quote fixed it by getting a like six dollar. Screen protector. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► That sticks on more people more people I know who are just like cracks cracks happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► You know you figure like a failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► and you would have just bought a new mini If you're waiting for the new ones that come out for your brother. Well it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► First of all it's. It's the first generation unwritten and it's it's to play occasional kid games on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► He doesn't give a crap whether the screen is red and whether it's new or fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:02 ◼ ► and there's nothing else I can do it has it's not even worth reselling like this with a crack screen it's not worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► much. There's nothing can do with this so you know I'll just let him use it till it dies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► I have Casey's retina Padmini I have that model of i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► That's been sitting in a drawer unused I keep meaning to like sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► or get rid of it I mean well you know if Adam's I've had dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► and I can just you know kick him down you know take that one down into his slot and you know I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► Now he just melt Casey I guess but this is cellular Yeah it's very small nice. Oh yeah I'll take it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► You guys remember when. Shampoo used to come in glass bottles. New. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► I think that was like the fifty's and you're really old. I don't know if you remember. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► I think it was like maybe prowler some particular brand anyway. I feel like that our grandkids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► When we tell them stories that we use that carry about around a bunch of rectangle. That were made of glass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► And it sometimes they would crack and people just use them shattered or sometimes the like they were able. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► They will look at us and the same way we think about you had glass bottles of shampoo in the shower. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► Does not seem like like why didn't you just you know make a lot of plastic has a we're not plastic Really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► I feel like we're in this period where glass is the right material to making out of right now unquestionably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► But there are obvious downsides to glass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► That someday when we get past that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► and get a device that has like all the benefits of glass without the whole shattering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► And not being you know like the look back at us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► and get you guys were carrying on glass things it was like you're carrying around these fragile East. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:35 ◼ ► Faberge eggs that if you dropped on the cement they were just like shatter a cracker spider web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/6995">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► and you had to put this. It's going to look weird to them because already it seems to me like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► So it's really the best thing we should be doing. Everyone in the world carries around a little rectangle of glass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► We're going to do now. Seems absurd to me. Yeah. The tipsters asking the chat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► You know what am I to kind of recap what if I'm going to get a new Mini this year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► Which isn't guaranteed but is my intention. What do I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► What do I care about the existing one in the thing of it is that it's perfectly fine with the exception. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► Stupid hairline crack and so I feel terrible like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► Not that I would necessarily throw it away I'd probably like is all it and just take the hit on the cracked screen but.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► I feel like. This is a perfectly usable device mean I just told you earlier that I'm using a three G.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► Every single day in two thousand and fifteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► To just get rid of this seems so stupid like I could use it for Declan in a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► or two maybe I could give it to Aaron if she wanted it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► There's so many things I could do with this and so it seems so wrong not to get it fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► but she's for two hundred dollars that's probably not worth it. Yeah it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:42 ◼ ► It's a really it is unlikely to be worth Apple's safe now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7062">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► There are also third party fixes there's also do it yourself fixes I didn't look at all any of those options because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► did like five minutes of looking into it and it seemed like it was not only very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► but also like not that much cheaper like it was like maybe a hundred fifty bucks in it wasn't it wasn't that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7075">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► cheaper. So the guy's not worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► But you know that might be worth considering for you but I think the better move is probably take the hit. Sell it and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► Or do I didn't stick a ten dollars computer on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► and give us a Declan to play stupid games on because kids really don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► or yeah I know it's it's it's I'm just annoyed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► Just like before I'm annoyed at myself because this one is not a clause I deliberate action that I deliberately poured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► But I don't know I wasn't even touching the damn thing when it broke so I feel a little less guilty about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:36 ◼ ► but I still I'm frustrated I still want to make it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7116">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► Hot enough to make it right by buying yourself a new i Pad this fall and see that's the market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:43 ◼ ► No no I didn't this happen to me and I didn't do enough. John anything interesting from you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7123">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► Did you break any i Pads at the beach. I did not break any of my thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► Hello But I came home from vacation I found that my how water heater was leaking slots and I saw him home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7136">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► Didn't that route anything but haven't. Did run a rug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► Didn't like you know flood the basement it wasn't like hole the water in the water came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► and went on to my floor which is good because it would just keep going right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► but anough water that's usually what happens when they fail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► Well that tent of also like fail slowly started weeping they were just it was just leaking over the course of a week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► And you know. Covered the floor with barely enough water to basically so can ruin a rug but didn't you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:25 ◼ ► Cover the whole basement floor anyway. We have no hot water heater now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7165">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► Did you go tankless ona we talked about it again we talk about it every time every place it's still not the thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► and what do you say that they say I talk to them about it basically if you if you have what we have which is like a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► know a boiler. For making hot water for heat. An older one the vents the chimney. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► And then you have a hot water heater and you just want to replace thought water heater you could go tankless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:53 ◼ ► But there's still issues of how much pressure can it put out if you're running all your hot water things at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7193">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► time. And the better way to do it is to just replace your entire system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► With a new high fissions he wanted to dispense drugs of the outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► Doesn't he go through the chimney and that does the hot water for all your radiators and the tankless hot water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► And that has more capacity take to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► You know instantly heat the water and use time at like basically when it's cold here in the winter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► You get freezing cold water coming in from the outside in a lot of demand for how water for all the radios of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:21 ◼ ► time you're running. You know trying to wash the dishes in the sink with hot water and running a shower. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7221">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► That it's very difficult to get off of that. So we're sure as hell not replacing the entire system down there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:31 ◼ ► Because fine. If you just replacing the hot water heater. They recommended and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7231">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► You know and they're recommending me buy a cheaper thing from them with a ten year warranty so there you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► I basically trust the fact that if it really was better. They'd try to sell me the much more expensive tankless thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► And they say every time talk to them the same company like that it goes a new construction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► All the time because it's like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► The sort of fancier more experiencing to do but new construction has entire high efficiencies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► and not just like oh you got an old boiler the does your hot water and the next we have just a tankless system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► and they still hear complaints from people who get them a new construction that's not as good as a big tanks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► That is usually the most sensible economical option even though we have fancier things like my system is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► Fortunately we didn't do it the people the forest of my system is the kind where there is one boiler. For both heat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► And a big heat exchange tank for the hot water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► And so that we just have one big boiler that can do both and a big tank that heats up also and vanishes there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► You know besides I'm sure the same efficiency gains but the biggest advantages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► Like according to some guy who looked at it once. Is that then the boiler is continually running year round. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► So that tends to make them last longer because it isn't going like the Hall of summer months without running at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► and hope it works you know it's it isn't it doesn't have like those big cycles of non-use for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7314">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► But it's still vented to the chimney right not just to the outside your house no it has a direct outside. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► Also maybe it's one of those new higher efficiency systems on your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► and mine I can do the same thing as your as another option as we have a big boiler. I could also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► You know it has the hookups and supposedly. Perhaps the capacity to say Oh this can also be your hot water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► But it's like maybe barely got the capacity and every time it has come up it's like better. Just get a dedicated thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► And be independent because it's not a big guy efficiency thing and you know. You may be borderline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7346">TS</a>]
02:02:33 ◼ ► You may be taking a downgrade and how much hot water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7353">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► And how much how water pressure you have able to sell the new one is actually the same size of the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► but fancier unlike higher recovery so that once you start using the hot water able. Heat up sooner anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:47 ◼ ► Bottom line is we got the new thing installed and someone take a shower. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► Like the temperature is turned down like as low as the possibly can be like we always do in the summer to turn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► You know the sort of standby this little dial you can turn to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7375">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► How hot you want to keep the water in this tank in the summer you can get away lower because the water coming in is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► warmer and you just on hot showers. We had in the lowest possible setting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:07 ◼ ► And still the first person take a shower put turn the little knob like what the normally turn it to ever just scalding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7387">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► hot and incredible in pressure and about like Alright. The old one did not only was leaking. But obviously was crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► At this point in its life cycle like seven years old or never were just just one year out of warranty if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► No one has a ten year warranty so I need to put a reminder on my calendar for the ten year anniversary before it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:32 ◼ ► leaking. Just make the call and don't even bother to see if it's going to last a litter twelve years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7412">TS</a>]
02:03:37 ◼ ► Right you know just replaces I've been told now for multiple contractors and plumbers over the last couple years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7417">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► That water heaters don't last as long as they used to and that they always die at about ten years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:48 ◼ ► And that like if you like. It's now to the point were like. If you buy a home. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7428">TS</a>]
02:03:51 ◼ ► The home inspector will flag a ten year old water heater as like a problem that needs to be addressed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7431">TS</a>]
02:03:56 ◼ ► Yeah because they fail in ways that cause much more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7436">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► You know you're not that expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► when they fail potentially big problems because you know if you don't want your entire basement flooded with water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► coming because usually the way they fail is the bottom falls off and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► I've been lucky to have water heaters that he bought without both of the previous ones failed by starting to leak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► slowly from the bottom which is a good way to fail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► when you're on vacation it's kind of scary that it was slowly leaking from the bottom quintile we will who aren't here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► Doria now. How is a vacation. That's fine. The Casey said Losing your i Pad to the Eureka agent is a. Yeah it was good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:36 ◼ ► Declan did not like the water. Did not like the water like he did just fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7476">TS</a>]
02:04:42 ◼ ► Like the beach just fine Got a near the water. And as long as he wasn't touching the water everything was mostly OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7482">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► But even just dipping his little feet in the water like way up at the very edge of where the waves can reach. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► You know some talking about it's. You know a quarter inch of water on sand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► He did not care for that at all which is fine. That's standard baby behavior. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:02 ◼ ► I'm not bothered by it but I will say he is crawling like a champion now starting to pull up on things now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7502">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► Sort of I mean not standing without holding on to stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► But you know he can like stand for a long time like tripod so he's got you know his hands on something in his feet on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:19 ◼ ► the ground. So that's both wonderful petrifying all the same time. But progress is being made. My parents were here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7519">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► When I was at work. They tend to come in once weeks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► To give Aaron a little break and later you know go grocery shopping without the baby or whatever and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► And they said in the last two weeks because they just hadn't seen him in two weeks they said that the change was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► tremendous which I mean that's to be expected when one is a baby I'm not saying that. And I'm not trying to be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► Well my baby is the most smart baby after it's none of that it's just you know baby strange quick. As it turns out and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:51 ◼ ► So lots happening big doings around listen to hold but I'm going to concentrate on the weekends when you're home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7551">TS</a>]
02:05:55 ◼ ► or nights when you're more whatever. Concentrate on getting him to. If you want to see his first steps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7555">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► Chances are doing your work so you have to basically take him during the weekends A Now we're going to do the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:06 ◼ ► steps because the only way you're going to see it is if you make it happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7566">TS</a>]
02:06:09 ◼ ► Yeah yeah and I've been like holding his hands like when he's standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7569">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► and trying to like tilt him forward enough that he's like. Just to keep his center of gravity under him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► That's probably not the wrong way to describe it anyways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► Just given self balance you know who have to bring a foot forward and sometimes he gets it sometimes he doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:25 ◼ ► But it's been funny he's also occasionally mimicking us. Sometimes directly sometimes. Vaguely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7585">TS</a>]
02:06:33 ◼ ► So like will tilt our head from one side or the other and sometimes Full Tilt has had the same way and sometimes not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7593">TS</a>]
02:06:38 ◼ ► Sometimes we shake our head like no not not to indicate not to do something but just to shake left and right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7598">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► Sometimes whole like follow follow that and shake his head left and right which is really adorable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:49 ◼ ► He's becoming more and more a person with each passing day which is wild. Shoes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7609">TS</a>]
02:06:54 ◼ ► Going to ask you how did you CAN YOU camera it's arriving tomorrow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7614">TS</a>]
02:06:59 ◼ ► On the borders of those big boxes just lens lenses and the lens is so tiny like not at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7619">TS</a>]
02:07:05 ◼ ► but can we back up just a smidge. You ordered a new Sony camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7625">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► That's full frame with interchangeable lenses is that correct. That's correct. OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:14 ◼ ► So this is kind of like that that crazy Sony you had at my house for top here a couple years ago with the crazy good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7634">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► low light. It is extremely similar in many ways to that but just with a larger body and with an agenda lenses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:26 ◼ ► And one of the lenses I bought. Yes that was the R.X. One. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7646">TS</a>]
02:07:29 ◼ ► They were talking about which I have since told you sold something no way here. And one of the lenses I bought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7649">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► Is basically the lens that was on that it's a little thirty five millimeter prime the Sony F two point eight thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:41 ◼ ► five prime. Unlike optically the measurements are almost identical. It's like. It's about the same size it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7661">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► Yeah it's very very similar. Circuit I love that. That little that the focal length and the small package. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:55 ◼ ► But yes with a camera I got is the A seven are two. And it just came out today. And my order from B. and H. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7675">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► Which I placed. Like. I Phone filed a refreshing the page back when it went for sale in June and it just shipped today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:14 ◼ ► It's so I will. I will have it tomorrow because I'm very close to being H.'s warehouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7694">TS</a>]
02:08:19 ◼ ► So everything of that comes in one day. And I asked so I got the thirty five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7699">TS</a>]
02:08:24 ◼ ► Two point eight primary at the fifty five one point eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7704">TS</a>]
02:08:27 ◼ ► Which is one of the best lenses in the world by most measures and ninety. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7707">TS</a>]
02:08:33 ◼ ► Macro which is very very new but everyone seems to think it's amazing so far as getting stellar reviews so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7713">TS</a>]
02:08:40 ◼ ► This is my first upgrade to my big camera. Since. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7720">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► Since the arcs one maybe one about that like two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:48 ◼ ► but that was kind of a temporary thing that ended of not sticking with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7728">TS</a>]
02:08:52 ◼ ► Before that my last upgrade to my big camera in the last upgrade that I had to interchangeable lenses was in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7732">TS</a>]
02:08:57 ◼ ► thousand and eight with the five the mark two so this is it's been a long time coming. This. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7737">TS</a>]
02:09:03 ◼ ► This one every totally replace using any canons for me to still using the canons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7743">TS</a>]
02:09:09 ◼ ► and she still goes for photo shoots so we will see she's she's interested in the new camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7749">TS</a>]
02:09:15 ◼ ► And some made my convert the whole system over. I'm at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7755">TS</a>]
02:09:19 ◼ ► Most likely going to sell some of the canned lenses that we don't really use out in tips photo shoots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7759">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► Because I don't I'm never gonna use them again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:29 ◼ ► So why wouldn't a professional photographer want to use a full frame camera with interchangeable lenses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7769">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► If they Let's suppose you really are really good photography but you sold all your stuff you're doing others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:40 ◼ ► You're doing other things for a while but now you're you're starting a business back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7780">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► and you're looking to buy all new cameras all new glass. Why why not buy this what's wrong with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:51 ◼ ► The the biggest thing for proofs and a lot of pros are buying this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7791">TS</a>]
02:09:57 ◼ ► and the other one of the reasons why I think if it is likely to stick with the five you mark two zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7797">TS</a>]
02:10:04 ◼ ► We each got one in two thousand and eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7804">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► and one of the reasons why we're likely to stick with those for a while is the same reason why we haven't upgraded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:11 ◼ ► since two thousand and eight. Because there's a lot of inertia there like we have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7811">TS</a>]
02:10:17 ◼ ► We have probably five or six batteries for it. We have tons of new compact flash memory cards for some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7817">TS</a>]
02:10:23 ◼ ► You know very good quality ones are very expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7823">TS</a>]
02:10:27 ◼ ► We have a battery grip for one of them we have a cable remote with a timer for time lapse remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7827">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► We have for speed light flashes. To old ones that were kind of flaky and two new ones about three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:40 ◼ ► Please them recently saw we have so many accessories that are not universal that only work with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7840">TS</a>]
02:10:48 ◼ ► As we have so many accessory for the net like. We didn't even upgrade to the next to the Canon five D. Mark three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7848">TS</a>]
02:10:53 ◼ ► Because the five you mark two was so good in the Mark three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7853">TS</a>]
02:10:56 ◼ ► For our purposes didn't feel like a very compelling upgrade to replace all those gear that we would have to replace. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7856">TS</a>]
02:11:02 ◼ ► In addition of all the all the can lenses in everything so there's a lot of inertia behind sticking with it we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7862">TS</a>]
02:11:06 ◼ ► but if that wasn't the case if you didn't have any of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7866">TS</a>]
02:11:10 ◼ ► What would prevent you like is the viewfinder not optical does that even matter anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7870">TS</a>]
02:11:15 ◼ ► What would cause anything Marilyn's Basically I know there's going to be some exception weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7875">TS</a>]
02:11:19 ◼ ► but basically the viewfinder is not optical. It's not like what you think of when you think of an S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7879">TS</a>]
02:11:23 ◼ ► Where you are looking through a prism through. Across a mirror into a cross out the lens like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7883">TS</a>]
02:11:29 ◼ ► That is what defines an S.L.R. Is like the single lens reflex it's like you're looking through the lens with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7889">TS</a>]
02:11:36 ◼ ► Mirror thing that flips up when you take a picture and expose the sensor. So Merlo scammers lack that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7896">TS</a>]
02:11:41 ◼ ► And yes there's rangefinders all the weird things but basically you know. Marilyn's cameras lack that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7901">TS</a>]
02:11:46 ◼ ► And there are a lot of advantages to that there is a lot that that is very nice I really enjoy it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7906">TS</a>]
02:11:52 ◼ ► and this is a bit of a leap of faith for me to in the process of renting this house or rented the Nikon D seven fifty.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7912">TS</a>]
02:11:58 ◼ ► Which is a fantastic. Traditional style S.L.R. It is excellent in so many ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7918">TS</a>]
02:12:03 ◼ ► As an amazing focus system it has amazing low light performance amazing sensor. Made by Sony and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7923">TS</a>]
02:12:10 ◼ ► It is a fantastic camera in many ways. The reason why a pro might choose that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7930">TS</a>]
02:12:16 ◼ ► Besides the handling and just prefer looking through the lens directly through the optical thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7936">TS</a>]
02:12:21 ◼ ► and everything is mostly just because there are certain things that appeal to pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:26 ◼ ► and certain things that pros need so certain things that appeal them there's there's a huge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7946">TS</a>]
02:12:30 ◼ ► There's a much larger library of available lenses. First of all. Now granted you have to you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7950">TS</a>]
02:12:35 ◼ ► Pick a system so you gotta pick Nikon or Canon or. You know even the big Sony's but nobody picks those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7955">TS</a>]
02:12:40 ◼ ► And you know if you buy a Nikon camera you've got to use Nikon lenses and. There are adapters and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7960">TS</a>]
02:12:46 ◼ ► There are efforts to use. Nikon or Canon lenses on the Sony cameras. But you give up some things like. There are some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7966">TS</a>]
02:12:54 ◼ ► You know some some of them don't work quite right some of them don't focus. Very quickly if at all. Some of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7974">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► You know they have little little bugs little glitches little little setbacks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7978">TS</a>]
02:13:02 ◼ ► The adapters are all these kind of like hacky third party things that are not supported by anybody. So it's really not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7982">TS</a>]
02:13:09 ◼ ► If you have lenses that you want to use from canner Nikon's big lens lamps that's stretch back to twenty years thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7989">TS</a>]
02:13:17 ◼ ► years or longer. You can't really use those well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/7997">TS</a>]
02:13:21 ◼ ► On a small narrow scammer you can use them usually for you after that you can't use them well you're better off just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8001">TS</a>]
02:13:26 ◼ ► getting the native body. If you can and. Because these marrows cameras have been around for way less time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8006">TS</a>]
02:13:32 ◼ ► The lens lines are just WAY smaller. Like one of my favorite lenses on the Canon is the one thirty five F. To pride. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8012">TS</a>]
02:13:38 ◼ ► It is awesome. There is no equivalent to that. That I can mount on the Sony that is native. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8018">TS</a>]
02:13:44 ◼ ► There are some but I came out through adapters and then I don't have auto focus on everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8024">TS</a>]
02:13:48 ◼ ► Or I can mount the Canon one through and have autofocus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8028">TS</a>]
02:13:50 ◼ ► but it might be weird I don't know regardless like there is no native one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8030">TS</a>]
02:13:54 ◼ ► And so that's you know the lens library a small that that will change over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8034">TS</a>]
02:13:58 ◼ ► But that is still the case is also things like there is no great first party flashes that have amazing metering as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8038">TS</a>]
02:14:04 ◼ ► as I know like there is some you can use any of flash and you can have it you can manually meter it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8044">TS</a>]
02:14:09 ◼ ► but that's not as good and so there's all sorts of wipe out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8049">TS</a>]
02:14:11 ◼ ► There's just a lot more like limitations in what kind of gear is available. And it is also things that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8051">TS</a>]
02:14:19 ◼ ► Well that a lot of pros. Either need really or at least would would want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8059">TS</a>]
02:14:24 ◼ ► So one of the biggest downside for the Sony full farm system is the cameras have terrible battery lives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8064">TS</a>]
02:14:31 ◼ ► Because they're really small. They're really high powered. You know computationally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8071">TS</a>]
02:14:36 ◼ ► And they have these little tiny batteries that like the bad. Re for and for a full size S.L.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8076">TS</a>]
02:14:42 ◼ ► Can last like five times as long and full of the larger not lighting up screens constantly in a viewfinder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8082">TS</a>]
02:14:47 ◼ ► So that's a little cameras have terrible battery lives. That is the biggest downside to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8087">TS</a>]
02:14:53 ◼ ► Also for pro use the cameras are usually not whether sealed. Which a lot of pros need and many pros want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8093">TS</a>]
02:15:02 ◼ ► And they are also. I don't think any of them have some of the more unusual but sometimes needed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8102">TS</a>]
02:15:07 ◼ ► Perfect years like dual memory slots. So there's like stuff like that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8107">TS</a>]
02:15:12 ◼ ► There's just there's some features the pros. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8112">TS</a>]
02:15:14 ◼ ► Need or want that are not available on Merrill scammers and are probably not going to come soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8114">TS</a>]
02:15:22 ◼ ► So we'll see what happens. I'm very happy not being a pro in this way right now.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8122">TS</a>]
02:15:28 ◼ ► Like I like back in two thousand and eight we bought the. The pro five D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8128">TS</a>]
02:15:33 ◼ ► Because it was the only way to get really great image quality like to get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8133">TS</a>]
02:15:37 ◼ ► I mean the difference I mean your cameras often Casey. But. But the difference between full frame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8137">TS</a>]
02:15:44 ◼ ► And not full frame is large. This is not a small difference. It is a very big difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8144">TS</a>]
02:15:51 ◼ ► And we just love that difference. And back then there was a much bigger gap also. Now the gap is smaller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8151">TS</a>]
02:16:00 ◼ ► Well it's also a considerably larger financial penalty as well right because I got a really really beautiful lens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8160">TS</a>]
02:16:12 ◼ ► and off to my head I want to say it was about fifteen hundred dollars all in so the kit lens which is a little zoom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8172">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► and. This really good lens it's not a pancake but it's a really solid prime that. Sean blank recommended which I love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:27 ◼ ► I couldn't the tightest six of time I had but anyways. That was like fifteen hundred dollars all in and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8187">TS</a>]
02:16:33 ◼ ► I'm going to you don't tell me a number of I'm going to guess that you're in a lot more than that for this full frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8193">TS</a>]
02:16:40 ◼ ► and you can I mean part of it because I just got like the cutting edge best model because I me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8200">TS</a>]
02:16:46 ◼ ► and also because I don't upgrade these things very often. So part of it is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8206">TS</a>]
02:16:50 ◼ ► Certainly I think even if you get like a more reasonably priced one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8210">TS</a>]
02:16:55 ◼ ► You're looking at for a good lens and a good body you're looking at over two thousand probably for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8215">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► For this type but regardless. So that's that's what I got it arrives tomorrow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:08 ◼ ► There is there is no like massive full review available of it yet. So it's a bit of a risk. But based on the early. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8228">TS</a>]
02:17:15 ◼ ► I rented its predecessor the A seven two I rented that back. Reforms of the. The seven fifty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8235">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► I rented that so and it has like. I basically an identical body identical handle identical menus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:28 ◼ ► That there's almost no difference in like the physical side so I know that I like shooting with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSK4HLQ/8248">TS</a>]