00:00:00 ◼ ► Was it John that fixed my bullet issue. Yes I said Ste how. What magic did you use to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► Dontcha know hundred I'm by now there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► when dealing with a rich text editing applications where you have a kind of a what you see is what you get output. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/9">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► That even though this is not probably technically the case although used to be in some things you can conceptualize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/17">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► as there being individual. Individual invisible formatting. Characters. Zero with invisible formatting characters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/23">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► Attached to text that you can't delete. And that when things touch them they infect the thing that they touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/30">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► All formatting and Rich Text editors like Word or any of these types of things. Involves manipulating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/39">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► What you can conceptualize as invisible zero with formatting characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and what was the one that actually had them with the word star. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► One of the old text editors one of the old word process is really all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/52">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► but actually had invisible formatting characters and you can make them visible. Those are the days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/55">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► You can do that word I believe. And I thought Claire's works would do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► I don't know if any of them still have a job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/64">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► but there's one process actually were done that way these days on behind the scenes I have no idea how it works I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/66">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► sure it's much more complicated than simple invisible forming characters but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► Yeah you just have to learn how to bump the invisible bump the conceptual invisible formatting characters up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/75">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► each other to infect their neighbors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► and move it down it just well that was the problem as I was trying to invent just the Reddit related follow up and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/84">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► I was unfortunately indenting. All of the rest of the topics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/91">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► And I couldn't figure out how to uninfected I am not as good a doctors you are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► I know I saw that you know and you just gotta like it's going to find a part the looks the way you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/99">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► and use it to spread its correct looking as to its neighbors and its you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► So this is like an outbreak I need to find the monkey and then that will solve all my problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► Word sometimes would defeat me words. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► Sometimes in a word I could not figure out how to manipulate the invisible forces that control the formatting in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/116">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► just like delete everything started a new document. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/122">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► Because like even if you delete all the content and you try to like paste it back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/126">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► or type it in again it would like it would still obey them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► Like a homie out that they were likely the document still has the what is it the the essence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/133">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► Sense memory or whatever you want and that was that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/139">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► or that literal million times the still has the essence of the old formatting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/142">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► You delete all the text when you put a text back the document remembers is actually used to be there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/148">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► Do you want timestamps to make your. Your chapter markers easier. Know the time stamps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/154">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► Move when I add it so it doesn't matter. Adding the chapter Marcus's only taking like five minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/160">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► I think if we've received let's say twenty pieces of feedback with regard to the chapter markers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/168">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► Easily eighteen of which have somehow traced back to Germany. Oh at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/173">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► I bet the other two that were in from Germany were people who were actually German just were living somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/178">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► temporarily you know. Maybe German heritage. I don't know. It's so funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► I don't know what it is with the Germans in their chapter markers but got to the everloving they really do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► It's funny because no one else really seems to care or even notice. No but. But the Germans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► Love them all they're all using they're all using a popular podcast plan that doesn't support chapter markers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/197">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► As I wonder what. So what clients do you support chapter markers you would know. I think I'm the only one who doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/205">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► Actually I don't know really. I know the Apple one does to a limited degree. I mean it's easy because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/210">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► There's actually an A.P.I. In A.V. Player to just fetch chapters and it supports. Almost every format. The thout there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/217">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► In a at least a basic way. And I actually tried it. Briefly and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/224">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► It had an issue where it would just say it would just right over random memory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/230">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► Garbage with certain files that had a better artwork in their chapters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► So it would just destroy the memory and corrupt everything and eventually the app would crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/239">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► when you were little like this one particular file and it's obviously it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► Well written enough to for me to you want to use. So I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► You know you should do is whenever you're up for a new lease. You should spend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/250">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► You know the time leading up to then building chapter support. So when you return to Munich. To do. European delivery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/257">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► You will be. You will be war. Welcome to they are like a god. If you have a work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/266">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► I think so because if there's anything the Germans love in the entire world other than order. It is chapters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/272">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► I really do like the Germans. Though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► Actually I do too as much as I'm poking fun I really do is how I feel like these are like my people think they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/281">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► nerds who drive well and are on time to things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► and again as much as I'm poking fun I couldn't possibly agree with you more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/289">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► And as a tall just as in the chat chapters are a form of order. That's a fair point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/295">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► Well I just I've never used chapters myself like as a podcast listener. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/301">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► And maybe that's because I spent the last two to two and a half years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► or whatever it's been using my own app which doesn't support them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► But I've just never been compelled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► and there's also a major supply issue where very few pod casts use chapter marks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/314">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► and I don't what are people using to put them in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/320">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► I know there's a web service called off on it that does a lot of Pi cats post-processing stuff and they offer it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► But that's like a paid monthly kind of service and. And I know Jason is now uses that for clockwise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/329">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► But beyond that like there used to be an Apple two I think a garage band or something that they discontinued years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/335">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► So I don't know what. I don't know. Like I think there's two problems here there's that there's a tools problem and a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/342">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► And a client problem and that combines to form. At least part of the demand problem. So I don't know. We'll see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/348">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► So what magic are you using. I'm solving the tools problem first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/356">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► And we're going to move on right so you probably do some follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► John want to tell us about what the Such an adult has said about your hatred of Apple. That's now bodies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/366">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► Injury or from while ago where a sudden Adele is talking to Mary Jo Foley is eating out and a long interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► and one I think we pulled a snippet from that interview before which is why I had read it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► But I pulled out this other sniff at the thought was interesting. This is such an delicate he says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► You've got to remember even the Apple regeneration started with colorful IMAX. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/390">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► So let us first get the colorful IMAX I think with what we're doing with Lumia where at that stage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/394">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► I want to do good devices that people like and then we will go on to doing the next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/399">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► and the next thing I thought this is really interesting to see the C.E.O. Of Microsoft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/402">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► Basically like intentionally pull themselves poll Microsoft down to Apple's level to say we are way microscope were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/407">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► Apple was before their resurgence. We are at such an incredible low point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/416">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► That works where the stage where we're going to make some calls a lie masks we're not the stage where I can the i Pod. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/424">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► We're now the stage for making the i Phone of the i Pad where the stage where we are making the colorful IMAX which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/430">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► think is sandbagging in the highest degree because Microsoft is nowhere near the low point that Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/435">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► when they were introducing the IMAX nowhere near that low like financially like that the quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/443">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► and number of products they haven't that they sell. And just like in every other respect but this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/450">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► This is how the C.E.O. Of Microsoft is positioning. His company to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/455">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► We want you to lower your expectations of us like guess like think of us like we're out to was like you know give us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/460">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► but we just want make something cool the kind of catch the imagination is kind of popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► and that's what we think we're doing with these new them your funds I know they're not the next i Phone But you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► Come on give us a break think Apple a while to really interesting strategy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► Something that I think also that someone from the old Microsoft like Gates or bomber. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/481">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► Could not pull off just because since they were the people in charge when Microsoft was king of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/486">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► It would sound weird for them to say. Microsoft is basically were Apple is in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/491">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► I don't know if the words could even come out of their mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► or if they could put themselves that there's been a new C.E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► Can say that and I thought it was an interesting strategy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► Her how they're trying to position their company to the outside world. That's an odd analogy but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► I mean it's sort of makes sense. Why did you tell us about the trim saga that will never end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► And I think we're talking about the same song popular something that has these and their. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► People are filing bugs against them and then Samsung was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► That's not our problem because you're using in Linux and Windows isn't a supported platform and people got angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/529">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► and then we didn't know there were problems with this properly assess these are not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/534">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► The latest development and that saga is that Samsung says it's not a problem with our firmware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► or drives it's a problem of the Linux kernel and here's a patch to help fix it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► I don't know what the actual problem is maybe their patch to the kernel works around. A problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/547">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► There's another link that's eternally being put off in the show notes for some Macin an article is trying to test these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/554">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► popular S.S.T. Than I was ten and see if they can create a corruption. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/561">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► And I don't know how rigorous their testing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► but I would say this whole thing is still a question mark to me because just because Samsung says the bug into Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/568">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► curling provides a patch to work around it. Was it a Linux kernel bug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► I guess that is their patch just working around a bug in the firmware. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/578">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► And is any of this relevant at all to people running Austin. I don't know. So still. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/581">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► I'm just hanging back and not bothering with the term stuff and get my fingers crossed. Spoke strategy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/586">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► Pays off for him. That's a reference by the way. Marco to tell us about a year or so your option dilemma. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/592">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► Yes so in last week's episode. I talked about how I was having an issue with deciding overcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/599">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► Cellular download preferences. Because I'm adding streaming for the next big version and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/607">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► There is a question of should streaming have its own preference and I already had these two other preferences and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► How do I combine these these possibly three preferences in any way that makes sense and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/618">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► and is understandable by users and doesn't have too much clutter in the options and complex and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/623">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► And I explain that part of the reason why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► So right now I have in the current version there's there's two options one of them is download oversight of it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/631">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► makes sense. The other one is basically like. Try to do anything over cellular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► And the reason why I couldn't just rely on the system toggle for that was because of what I considered a bug in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/640">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► system reachability framework which is that of. If a user had disabled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► Sell access completely for the app in Iowa settings which you can do per app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/649">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► The system would still tell the app that it was connected to the Internet via cellular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/655">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► And so the app would then have the appetite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► No way to tell that it wasn't that it wasn't allowed to use this connection. So if it tried to use the connection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/661">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► It would show there annoying box to the user saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► Cellular data is disabled for this act you can change that in statics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► and my feeling was it should be the way it used to be which is that if somebody disabled sell access for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► and i OS seven. It would. The system would report to your app that it was just offline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/677">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► When it was on cellular so you could just avoid doing things and not sure that stupid alert to people. Turns out in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/683">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► I was a point for that bug is still there but I O. S. Nine. It's fixed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/689">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► So and I was nine I did some testing over the last couple days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► And I us nine if US as the app use the reachability framework to test the connection. If the users on cellular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/697">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► And you aren't allowed to use it properly reports it as offline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► Which is the way it used to be the way it should have always been so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► This lets me remove that second setting I have now which is the. It's called sync over cellular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/713">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Lets me remove that setting completely. Which is great. So now I only will have the download over Siler option. In the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/720">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► In the downloader area. And I don't need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/729">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► I don't need a streaming option at all because streaming just rely on the system setting if you don't want overcast use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/731">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► the slow data just disable in system settings. And it's so I've gone from two settings in the current version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/736">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► To potentially needing three in the next version. But instead going down to one. Which is fantastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/743">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► Why don't you need the settings anymore if you're saying the next version is not going to run I was eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/749">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► I'm saying I will no longer care about a minor annoyance details that will affect very very few people. It's not worth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/754">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► Keep it like so for instance. The current version of the app also has a setting in the ticket details. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/760">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► Called a streak celebration. This is that I've actually had since. Since one point zero. When you seek an overcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/766">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► If you hit. Seek back or forward by like you know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► or whatever if you hit that a bunch of times in a row like it so that you're doing like you know more than one per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/776">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► second. Basically effort it was awful and threshold is. But if you do more than one of those per second after a few. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► I start increasing the interval of their seeking by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► So it lets you if you if you're in a situation where you only have access to seek back and forward features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/791">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► Like if you're in a car and it has but integration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► Or if you have headphones with those buttons on him or remote with the with those buttons on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/799">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► If you want to seek a long distance. In a track. It lets you get there a lot faster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/803">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► So if you seek a whole bunch of times in a row it'll go like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► Thirty thirty thirty forty five fifty sixty ninety like it will accelerate up up up to a certain ceiling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/812">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► And I've always had an option to disable that. Since one point zero. And all and that option sinks to the server. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► So that sinks to your account. So I can actually tell him new people use it. And I've been watching and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/825">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► I brought up on Twitter few months back hey can I just remove this option. And I learned that most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/832">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► Most of the respondents didn't really understand what it did. Whether they said yes remove it or. No keep it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/838">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► Most of them seem like they were misunderstanding. What it did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► And so I decided that wasn't an option anymore and I looked at I was at the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► and usage of it was under one percent. People who change the default. Which is on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/852">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► So in two point zero That options was gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► I'm not going to keep setting around and what is a very small setting screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► That's used by fewer than one percent of the users that's that's not worth the complexity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► So back to the cellular thing. This. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► People who are going to disable cellular in the System Preferences completely for the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/871">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► I can't measure that right now. I'm guessing it's probably not below one percent but I bet it's pretty low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/877">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► So people who are going to disable that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► And also who are going to be running I was eight for longer than the next couple of months. Not worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/884">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► It's not working in a setting around just just to have them to have them be able to avoid seeing the cell data disable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/889">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► dialog box. As often as they could. You know it's. It's such a small gain for so few people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/897">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► For such a short time that it's just not worth it. Also I'm not taking the move to I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/905">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► Nine as something that needs to be very carefully and slowly done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► As soon as I was not his out I'm probably going to lose nothing that requires it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/913">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► or at least soon afterwards depending on you know what compelling reasons I have because the factors I was nine runs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/916">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► every device I was eight runs on. Jail recurs haven't ever going to yet I don't think but I don't care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► I don't see you don't care at all what gel breakers can run. I don't follow that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/929">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► I don't need to fall that I think if you jailbreak. That's up to you to follow and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/933">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► I can't waste my time on that because jailbreaking is just a nightmare of support complexity and it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/937">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► And it's just not worth it. So regardless I don't care about jailbreak ability. And so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/942">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► And people who like hold on to old versions forever because they just don't like the new version I don't really cater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/950">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► to them either. I feel like if your device can run. I.O.'s whatever. I don't feel bad. Requiring I us whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/954">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► Even if you choose not to install us whatever if you choose to keep the old version around at the I consider that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/962">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► OK Well part of your cost of doing that is you're going to lose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/968">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► You know future updates to absent require all the stuff. So anyway. That's how I feel but that was a question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/971">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► I was basically asking you if you're going to make a overcast I was nine only and you mentioned worked up to. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/979">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► I mean right now. I'm building two point zero against Iowa eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/986">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► Because I would like to release it before I was nine is released. I don't know if I will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/989">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► Like I don't know I don't know how be able to I'm trying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► I would like to really sort of soon as I can just to be clear the last time you said you want to release soon you ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► up a year later heard something like that. OK I just wanna make sure all the same page here. No actually what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► What is motivating me to want to release the soon. Is actually the playlist reordering bug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► Because it's going to be it's too complicated to back port the fix to that is the one point zero branch and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► So I would like to Atlanta I'm actually planning on now. Cutting a few features from two point I was initially launch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► Just so I can get it out faster. And then adding back those features later. In like two point one or never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► Our first punch of this week is need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► Need is a curated retailer and publication for men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► and the people behind need recently launched foremost a purveyor of small batch American made clothing for men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► and women. So this is a great need is run by our friend. Malik Zander. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► He's a really really super nice guy he was in case you guys don't know not only was he on. Is he on the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► The Bonanza pod cast. But he's also he was the British voice in our A.T.P. Shirt. Parity promo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► So want to thank him first of all for coming in last minute with us because we had some a dropout and he was awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► and picked it up so. Thank you Madeleine Genner anyway. Need is as I said. A curated retailer and publication. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► And it's all mostly. They sell men's clothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► They also sell literature furniture coffee and more for discerning shoppers. So each month. They cure rate and sell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► And sometimes even design a limited selection of these products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► So rather than offering an overwhelming selection of everything under the sun all of once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► Need only sells ten to fifteen products. Exclusively each month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► Whilst he's British So he says while so I will say while whilst also offering an ongoing array of essential. They have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► They have the monthly additions and they have essential sure always available. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► Sony just launches latest collection Volume two point eight. Featuring items as diverse as responsibly made furniture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► Bicycles clothing sunglasses and literature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► There's no subscriptions there's no services there's no boxes or stylists or other gimmicks. Instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► Need simply send you an email or two each month. You come along to see what's new you buy some things if you want them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► And then you move on with your life. Very simple. No gimmicks no subscriptions. Nothing like that now. For A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► Listeners. Need is offering. Twenty five percent off anything on the site with the code. Prefer all up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► And this is now this is twenty five percent of this is actually not only those more than the normal discount this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► the biggest discount they've ever offered I asked I verified that with them because this kind of ever over twenty five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► percent off anything you buy with code pretty follow up. Now for most. Is there a new site for most is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► It's a small batch American made clothing line for many women so this is high quality American made stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► Men and women. And as an added bonus the code pre follow up will also apply to anything you buy from foremost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► So for most has really is for men's and women's collections to date. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► Their latest round to receive enormous Preez for its quality and affordability and even Tech Crunch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► Tech Crunch is the bashing of modern fashion. Tech Crunch fruit. For most offers. J. Crew quality at H. and M. Pricing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► Now I don't know any of those words mean but Matt writes me that is a good thing do you know what those are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► Yeah see a crew quality addiction embracing that's a good thing it's a good thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► Check out need and formalised for men and women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► By visiting a need edition dot com and foremost edition dot com You can even say hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► and harass them in the live chat which it on the site which is always powered by one of needs employees are met himself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► Never outsourced anybody crazy or bots. So anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► Thank you very much to Mel Xander and need addition and foremost edition dot com. Use Code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► Prefer all up at checkout to save twenty five percent off. Anything in the store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► The biggest discount they've ever offered and. Personally as a set match a really nice guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► He came in last minute savior but so support him and he recently got engaged. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► And he's super nice and supports us so I would like to challenge listeners this is not the script. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► Other challenge listeners. Let's try to sell them out completely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► Like I want to deplete all of their stock of everything and for most not be tough. Need. We can he can probably do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Let's do it let's deplete their entire stock of everything really good are needed to Sion dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► and foremost edition dot com. Use Code pre follow up for twenty five percent off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to need and foremost for sponsoring our show. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► So we had a discussion about Reddit last episode and. We got some feedback about that we got nothing wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► Gotten feedback about that we got less than I expected which I was kind of happy about and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► It was less vile than I expected which I'm super happy about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► But we've got we've got some new thoughts or some things to address perhaps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► John would you like to tell us about some of the things that you that you've learned discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► or thought about since then. Back when this was in the follow up section. Same song go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► This topic I mean I thought of like removing a lot of it because I just listened to last week's episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► And I was like Yeah I pretty much. I think I pretty much said everything I wanted to say on the topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► And the reason I you know if I had all the solve them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► You know one feedback comes then I had corrections or the fault got there you know the normal pattern of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► But then I listen to the episode and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► but in that episode I had so many disclaimers like at the end of the thing I was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► I know I got most of the details wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► but it's not the details that I'm talking about I'm trying to address the big picture blah blah blah people don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► they still want to correct you know he does but just fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► So I did in the end US didn't especially once Casey moved down to be a topic but there are a couple just straight out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► Factual things that I didn't. Later say that I knew I got wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► One of them was that Reddit is owned by condé Nast and that is no longer the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► Link to a little faq about it's there where they were owned by Condon asked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► And then they were owned by kind of asses parent company. But then they were spun out and reincorporated independently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► And so according to this thing the best characterization might be to say that read it is a part sibling once removed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► condé Nast so well that totally clears things up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► That was something I did not know I got it wrong because every most the details I was just like wing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► and giving examples in every time I gave an example I was like I know that's probably not accurate or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► I mean it makes it seem like I didn't read a lot about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► When I did I just didn't write down or memorize the individual factors tried was trying to go big picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► And that brings me to the next. Pick which is the FEW me mildly. Mildly negative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1374">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► That the feedback we got seemed to me to be treating all three of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► As if we had never heard of read like what is this crazy Reddit thing have you heard about this and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► I don't know about you two guys who are younger than I am but like. If I give the impression that you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► We'll have we don't we're not read it regulates we don't go to the site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► We are not part of the community we don't consider ourselves read it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► but it's not as if read it as this new thing that we just learned about when this controversy came so I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► and looked up my info at least read it was founded on June twenty third two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► and five according to Wikipedia which is never wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► My account at Reddit was created on August eighth two thousand five hundred forty six days after it was founded so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► sorry that I did not get in on the ground floor read it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► The site was around the whole forty six days before I joined and was a member for the next ten years. Like again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not a regular member read it right. I do not go there frequently. But I think the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► The most angry characters ation as a US being entirely at a touch for the read it or just haven't discovered read it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► Due to the Ellen pal controversy is wildly inaccurate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► Yeah I think part of what we were trying to describe is expressly what an outsider thinks of the situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► And I gree with you John I don't think any of us painted us as experts on what the intricacies of how red it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► internally. Either for users or moderators or employees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► But I know that we were all speaking more of hay from from outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► or kind of third party that's not really invested in this looking in. It looks kind of gross. And I stand by that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► Yeah like that's the perspective we were giving as a casual like not as people who are confused by what this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► crazy right thing is but it's just like there's a community it exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► And we're not really that involved in it we know about it we dip in and out of it we see it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► But you know and we're not. And I think. I think that's most people like most people are not hardcore read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► Use is read it has tremendous traffic. Only a small portion of that tremendous traffic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► Are the sort of very dedicated people who are very invested in read it as a community that's the nature of any high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► and millions of people all of whom are super invested in you that's just that's just you know the numbers right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► So our perspective as sort of outsiders outside so I think I understand the phenomenon or read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► and sites like read it and that I mix of online communities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► But are not so invested in it that sort of any discussion of any negative aspect of read it is seen as a condemnation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► of all members of read it like that's not where we were coming from at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► but we were we were giving an outside perspective and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► I think I certainly was not particularly interested in the specific details of whatever the controversy of the day is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► about he said he said and she said this. And these people harassing this person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► And these are the internal politics they're just trying to sell like is written as Reddit a place that we feel like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► would like to hang out. You know and if not why not. Yeah. I agree with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► The only somewhat decent feedback Well that's not fair that the feedback that struck me most that we got was someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► You know you were complaining and moaning about read it and how gross read it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► but a lot of gross stuff happens on Twitter and nobody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► None of the three of us really complained and moaned about Twitter last episode and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► I didn't really made me think for men and I don't have any good answers. Maybe because I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► Pretty invested in Twitter. And I'm invested in what I like to think of as the good corner of Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► I don't see a lot of the just absolutely vile terrible discussing things that happen on Twitter because they happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► They definitely happen. But I don't get exposed to it yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► I feel like I hear a lot more often about the terrible violent disgusting things that happen on Reddit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► And I was curious. John or Marco if you guys had any thoughts about why Twitter is OK but read it isn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► Well they're both disasters we just know what I mean I think it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► You can look at both of those and say Wow both of these are absolutely horrible dealing with abusive people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► That's that's just the way it is in fact Twitter might even be worse I don't know I don't know enough about right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► say. Twitter's really bad about it. I know that. We did talk about it last show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► And I mentioned as it was the objection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► and I said like I was feeling some trepidation about going to read it because I felt like I was kind of tacitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► supporting an organization that provides a home for. You know communities that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► That I the make me uncomfortable that I don't like right. And I didn't feel that with Twitter. And I think for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► The differences and I'd mention like well because you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► I don't see any ads on Twitter so what am I really do is supporting them but you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► This feedback from Don is right that like by my participation in Twitter I'm still supporting him whether I see ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► or not right and I think the reason I feel differently about is not so much with my investment in Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► But that for as bad as Twitter is about dealing with harassment. They. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► They have policies in place that if you were to look at the policies you would say. These are good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► And they show that Twitter doesn't want this thing to happen. They're really bad implementing those policies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► Many times their implementation again I like Oh we have a way for you to report people harassment will just lie about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► and like the form of require revealing your personal information of the person you're harassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► and they would their decision making process but I would not be great on it but like the fact that the Twitter C.E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► Comes out and said. We are really bad at this and we need to get better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► And that they have taken positive steps to make them to make their company better. Dealing with the shows that they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► This is the direction they want to go and it's not as if the C.E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► Of Twitter is saying we're really bad at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► and that's by design because we don't want to clamp down too much we want to make sure people feel free to say whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► they want to say. That's not the message coming out of Twitter at all. Execution was still bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► But everything that I have done and everything they have said and done is saying there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► It's aspirational are saying we want to be over there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► We want people to feel more welcome on Twitter we want to deal with their Assman probably want to stop this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► happening. And here are the things that we're going to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► And then you know they tried to something people complain or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► And the thing that's most upsetting to me I read it is the aspirational thing does I don't agree with their aspirations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► to write it says we want our community like this and I OK Well that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► I don't like that I don't like that goal state I think Twitter's goal state if you were to talk to the C.E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► Of a what do you want Twitter to be like What are you trying to reach. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► I would agree more with what they're going for in terms of a place where people feel like they're free from abusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► behavior or have free from but have the tools to deal with abusive behavior right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► That Twitter wants to provide that whereas read it seems to want to provide a safe haven for people to trade ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► and behave in ways that I that I don't like right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► And again just like I'm glad owners brought this up to the credit of all the people of all the various Reddit people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► who have listened to this thing and sent feedback. Nobody has brought out the old. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► Old saw about like you're trying to say they read it doesn't have a right to exist like I'm so glad that I mean is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► speaks to that if the small number of better people listening to our show or the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► The general intelligence people who are read it. Not to bring out that ridiculous argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► Like I tried very hard in the last show to frame it as. Does this feel something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► Does this community feel like something that I want to participate and participate in why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► and why not everyone is free to make the community they want to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► All I'm talking about is does it feel like something that I want to join in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► and my secondary point which I think we're getting a little bit was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► Does the community that they say they want to make is that the type of thing that I think would be broadly appealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and I think that's that's where you're going to tell you know like Marco are not alone can get a podcast on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► hypothetical. Podcast network. That's the type of decision where you can say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► If you did that most people wouldn't care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► Like that that is something that excludes that that would be brought the appealing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► Because it's not a system of government is just a private web site and a private sideband that type of of content. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► Ever Be Like aren't. You know I'm fine with that like. That is a broadly appealing decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► Less broadly appealing banning vegetarians. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► Right then I was like Well now you're really narrowing your audience because if you decide that's what you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► site. That's fine but a lot of people are going to rightly say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► Now that's getting to be you know like that that the whole idea that there are that there are standard sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► Like human community standards whether they're local or state or country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► or international community standards that mean if you want something to appeal to the broadest number of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► Everyone's OK with you excluding these ideas misbehavior. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► But once you start getting what you know when you start crossing over into like well that just seems like arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► and weird like not allowing left handed people. That's you know that.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► That seems that doesn't seem weird but not allowing the K.K.K. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► Sure go ahead get banned them I don't like I think that's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► They were they were bothersome Anyway I don't like those ideas right. And that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► Maybe that bothers a lot of people especially the sort of logical mindset of like no you can't do that a lot all ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► are allowed no ideas if you can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► How do you describe that what's different about the gay Hey and left handed people like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► They there are just it's equivalently arbitrary right there just ideas man. Yeah and I think that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► That brings down to the reticule and I have someone like to with the current to Reddit C.E.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► Steve Huffman sped on and read it's a it's a nice thing with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► and I had the best thing about of course the sinking of Marcos complaints about the giant intend indented conversations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► Nice person emailed the stock for I lost the name because it's somewhere in the in our email but. The Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► and A is like a bunch of questions and then with numbers. And then the answers follow them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► So it's like questions one through seven questions one to three acre you know and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► and then down below there are the answers. And then I personally emailed us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► Did the same thing and put the question then answer the question then answer instead of a giant list of questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► and then a giant list of numbered answers and you have to keep like mapping back and forth in your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► or keep scrolling back operates a section. To question number two the question was blog now scrolled answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► Read it just really is not a totally aside from the a policy issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► It's not a really welcoming site for people who don't like navigating giant walls of indented text anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► and I which I think as it doesn't in any thing down like they're still trying to work out what the trying to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► But I picked out a few examples that spoke to the thing that I find unappealing. About Reddit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► So again this is the C.E.O. Answering some questions. Mocking and calling people stupid is not harassment. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► That was an answer to which question I guess grow up and find him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► And regards a sub read it for mocking another group what is the policy on them blah blah blah so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► Knocking calling people stupid is not harassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► and I assume that it's defined as not harassment because either implicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► or earlier they're saying well harassment is something we don't want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► And mocking and calling people stupid is not harassment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► Turning this position around but it basically means is if you come to participate on Reddit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► It very well may happen that you get mocked and called stupid. But fun like that yet again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► You know you define the rules of the community whatever you want right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► But I would compare this to the our technical policy to talk about the last show where our technical thing is no ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► hominem attacks. Have a discussion on the topic at hand. Disagree as by only as you want about do you know whether the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► Whether all to vector M.M.X. Is better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► But no mocking people are calling them stupid don't attack the person in fact the ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► That's the are secular Hamann policy. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► And I don't think our second has a super high minded site wherever has good behavior it is pretty rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► and tumble crowd there right. It's also probably male dominated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► It's got all the sort of similar path ologies of the right stuff. And yet our second guy has this rule that says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► Don't attack the president actually ideas. Read they're saying. Mocking calling people stupid not harassment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► That's something we think is acceptable behavior in all of our communities it's going to happen it's going to happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► you. You can't ban someone for doing it just because they call you stupid or mock you. That. I find that distasteful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► I don't think that's beyond the pale working like I'll now your side is not broadly appealing. But I think it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► I mean like Twitter. If you come to Twitter and people are going to mock you and call you stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► You're not going to like that you're going to want to not see their tweets your own email to block them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► And if they keep doing it then it might be Congress and but anyway they're categorizing. It's not harassment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► If you will do what if you come on to read it and everybody says that you're stupid but everyone always says it wants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► And every time you appear and post anything on Reddit. Each individual person on the entire form. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► Knocks your calls you stupid but only does it once. That's I guess still not harassment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► Your experience or read it is that any time you appear. No one addresses anything you say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► But they merely downloads you down but you call you stupid and knock you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► That's not a particularly healthy or welcoming community where you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► Where that I would want to participate and you know that someone there would have to think they're defining. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► Another item. Filling someone's inbox of pms private messages saying kill yourself is harassment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► Calling someone stupid on a public forum is not again now it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► If you fill their mbox of private messages that only they can see saying kill yourself. That's harassment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► But if you just call them stupid in public. That's not that's doesn't make any sense to me either outlining behaviors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► What they're basically saying is if you're just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► If you're just telling people private message and saying mean things to them that's that's harassment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► But if you're just saying in public and you say it once it's OK. And again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► They can define the they can figure out what they want the rules to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► This is the things that I read that make me feel like. This is not some place that I would like to hang out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► Because I'm not interested in watching people call each other names even if I'm not involved in an interested in seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► people mock each other and call each other stupid I'm interested in an exchange of ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► I don't think any of this makes read it. Broadly unappealing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► But the type of communities that can fit within the rules that they're laying down a lot of those communities are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► broadly unappealing. And I think it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► If you follow the letter of the law as read it appears to be defining things you can have a community that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► terrible that all it is is a bunch of people reinforcing their own really bad ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► or as the number one thing was that harboring unpopular ideologies is not a reason for banning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► Which sounds great it's like exactly like you know what. Just because my ideal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► Ideology is unpopular I shouldn't be banned. I think when people read that and read it but they have in their mind is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► If I think enterprise is the best Star Trek series. I shouldn't be banned. That is definitely an unpopular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► That is an unpopular idea that enterprise has the best are Trek series and so that's kind of what's in their mind yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► Why should I be banned as I'm just you know the tyranny of the majority why should I have to agree with everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► is supposed to be a free and open exchange of ideas. Harboring unpopular ideologies not a reason for banning right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► But ideologies are different than just ideas or statements or opinions. Harboring unpopular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► There's lots of unpopular ideologies that you would say are not reasons for Bang. But if your unpopular ideology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► Is that all black people should be slaves. That is a different unpopular ideology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► Then you think there should be a flat tax. Of ninety percent and all Americans right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► and from from a good sort of logical start those are just both unpopular ideologies Why should one be banned in another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► It's all up to a kind of community you want to raise to make especially if you had rules about against like attacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► I think you could have a community in which that person is really in favor of the ninety percent flat tax on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► Americans could have a reasonable discussion or debate about his or her position. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► And the person who thinks all black people should be slaves is never going to have a reasonable debate about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► they are different by their nature and I think anyone can tell that they're different. But the rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► According to letter of the rules they're both unpopular ideologies and neither one is a reason for banning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► and that's the type of community the read it seems to be trying to create. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► Go for it like that that's a bomb makers on the make That's why if that's what I'm getting at when I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► when I read their sort of goal state. What. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► What are we trying to make Reddit become like they're still working on the details and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► when I got to have it all figured out how to cite only ten years old you know take your time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► It's this that's what repel any and I think. Like I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► I think the rule sort of as there as there involving them now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► Allow for a lot of things that would definitely be beyond what regular people want to get involved in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► And I guess the final only final item I have on this is a couple people saying the bad stuff on Reddit doesn't affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► me some people saying the bad stuff I read it does affect them and their thinking of pulling back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► There is something to be said about some bread it's that you don't go to not affecting your life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► Read it with the cat pictures. Right. And I think this gets back to like it all of red it's you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Are all people read a bad No I was out the vast vast majority of people who are heavily participate even like the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► That may just want to take out pictures man like you know it's all good likeness great forms there in the where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► discuss interesting things like tons of great stuff on Reddit is a case of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► The rules that allow all that great stuff to bloom on farm on farm on read it also allows them bad stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► And you don't want to think about the bad stuff. And you don't want to see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► But sometimes those people wander over to your and if i even if they don't wander over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► You know you're participating in a system that provides a little incubate air for these people to reinforce their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► ideas and recruit new people and even if they stay within the letter of the law. On the read the sobriquet stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► It's basically an organization. Tool for things that you don't want to happen. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► So fun maybe that you know each other privately about inciting violence maybe they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► They may like her privately about doctoring people about harassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► and I do all things I was always going to don't do it on Reddit it's fine like what do you think these communities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► there are about like they're just hateful. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► And if you are on Reddit sometime people who bought it like I stick to the cat. Picture. Read some bread and I'm fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► And I don't associate with them at all. I don't think the cat picture Reddit people are tainted by the other people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► But they are participating in a system that allows for that whereas if you're on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► You're participating in system that would like not to allow for that but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► But does because they're incompetent about in forcing it so I think. I think that is a fine line there like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► It's not clear cut. It is definitely not clear cut but I do like where Twitter says it's trying to go. And so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► Where read it says it's trying to go. Does and doesn't match up with what I prefer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► It just seems like they pride themselves in these decisions that. Like you I find kind of distasteful and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► It doesn't take a very big logical leap to realize that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► Just like you said saying enterprise is the best Star Trek is a very very very different thing than saying that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► know all black people should be slaves it's just one is not an ideology that's why I said the flat tax the like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► ninety percent flat tax it's more of an ideology or like Marxism or communism or some really unpopular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► But it's an ideology. Right. I think that type of ideology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► Like there are certain there are certain ideologies that we collectively all agree as society are so distasteful that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► You know that they wouldn't. You wouldn't want them to be. You don't want them to be part of your community. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► Like people talking about that groups discussing it like again. Because your community is a private web site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► Obviously you know we're not the United States government people who go out to protest say what they want print what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► they want to whatever you want to talk about what kind of community does Reddit want to create on their private website. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► And the kind I want to create allows for things that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► and the enterprise example so that's why I'm trying to come up with something that is like non-controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► but it's also an ideology that is super unpopular but. But I think. Perfectly OK to discuss in a constructive way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2573">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► You know I mean. Yeah absolutely. All right anything else on Reddit Marco you've been quiet for a while any thoughts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► I just don't care honestly there's a limited number of things I can care about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► And the drama of what seems like a really. Fragmented and sometimes good but sometimes extremely problematic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► Community that I'm not in. I can't like I came in with of care. I just can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► It's not really the specifics of read it that I care about so much failing and I'm not sure that regular user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► and I don't think it's like a linchpin of the Internet that if it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► If something bad happens to it's there or it diminishes that I'll be going to the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► Oh that's not what read it or sink so well you know. I think I'll be fine. But anyway. It is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► I think it's just a good example of how. If you read like these guidelines. They all seem to make sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► You know like you read them and you feel they're egalitarian they're high minded or whatever. But you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► and credibly insightful podcast once said it's ramifications harboring unpopular ideology is not a reason for banning That [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► What are the ramifications of that what do you what what what does that lead to what are these series of guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► laid to mocking calling people stupid is not harassment. What kind of community you build with just set of guidelines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► The shape of that community is not appealing to me. And I'm making you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► I'm going to get called on this and I think it's true I'm making the extrapolation that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► Because this is not appealing to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► And because I think I kind of understand what is generally accepted to be sort of like OK within polite society. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► Certain things that fit within these the letter of these guidelines are things that most people will find distasteful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► and would not want to be associated with right you know our coun town. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► People do not want to be associated with that in general advertiser certainly don't write. And just general people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► If it gets too close to them or they realize what's going on back there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► You know definitely not something they want to deal with right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► And I think there is a standard for that it's hard to define. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► That's why it's hard to write down rules and if you write down the rules for it's like all slippery slope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► and you're going to ban everything right. But it's something that every community. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► Of real people virtual communities everything. I think deals with much more naturally and and calmly like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► I can't think of another group of people did you know it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► If you had a bowling league and people came in the ball only it and him are mocking people and calling them stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► And you're like well that's not against. You know that's not like people tell your jokes I want to bowl of you anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► Right the way and then somehow online it's like well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► They must be allowed to do that because we need to allow them to put their head forwards into our database. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2738">TS</a>]
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00:48:29 ◼ ► I have not had a chance to look into this at all but I'm very fascinated by what it means to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2909">TS</a>]
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00:48:43 ◼ ► Ware Fusion more to do my day job. And it may be you will find out shortly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► That this will not affect the I'm refusing at all or it may be that the a more fusion will have to or V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► Ware will have to go to extraordinarily extraordinary lengths. In order to get themselves back to where they are today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► So John. Tell me about ruthless mode and what does that mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► Framing for this as a one to a brief review of the basic UNIX security it said that it was ten has. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► Unlike classic macro us which these days no one with investor probably remembers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► There are user accounts on us ten you log in to one maybe a log in one by default. Your user account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► When you create files or a user account. You're the user that owns them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► You can only mess with for the most part the files that you own or that have commissions for anyone in your group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► or anyone at all to modify and in practice what that means is the operating system itself. And other users crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► Does not have the Russian set on that allow you to do anything to it. So the files to make up the operating system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► Are owned by different user there. They're in a different group. And you as your regular user can mess with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► You can have an administrative user which has been some elevated privilege groups including including something to lets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► them. Become the superuser like when you're on something ask you to enter an admin user password. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► That's elevating your privileges to OK Now even though you logged into whatever your account is now you have super your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► words are privileges. You can modify anything on the system. And usually you doing it on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► Half a program that wants to mess with files that otherwise you as a user wouldn't be able to mess with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► And this was seen by mac users as a little bit of an annoyance but also as a as a big win of like oh finally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► I'll only be able to mess with my files by default so you can also make non admin account they can't elevate their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► You have to enter some other administrative account password tell their privileges so those people maybe couldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► He still applications are messed with the operating system or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► The downside of this people have always discussed. And which are ruthless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► Does not really address that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► but it's worth keeping in mind is that right so so you have an anonymous account which that lot of people recommend you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► have anon I'm in account because that way you can't elevate your girly just a level where you can modify anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► and all you ever be able to modify is your own files you can't delete the operating system you can mess of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► like that. So if somehow malware got onto your system or hijacked your web browser or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► And it was running as you the low the user. It would only be able to modify files on bite you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► Well guess what if they delete everything in your home directory owned by you you're going to be super sad because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► that's all you. That's all the stuff that you care about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► You don't in the end you don't really care about the operating system or or so this this counter the Unix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► Security model goes. You can reinstall the operating system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► But you own all of the pictures that are you know in your I fought a library all the music with your ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► and all the documents all your reports all your homework things all your work files all your source code that's all on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► by you. All the files you care about her own but you for the most part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► So what does this little model where I have a regular user and then the root user. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► As I'll better privileging it doesn't really help me like it's something if some piece of code runs loose on my system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► It can delete all my stuff anyway. That is the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► The sort of counter to love the Unix security Mel It sounds so great really doesn't doesn't help me because I still can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► delete all my stuff. That is all true. But that's not why Maori want to do most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► Malware kind of like a viruses that kill their host really fast. Like a literal you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► Biological viruses malware that wants to either be useful or to spread. Can't kill toast immediately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► Now where the Demille delete someone's hard drive is not going to get very far because it's not going to have a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► to propagate because it's going to immediately nuke the person's computer and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► You know not delete the heart of delete all their files like that will be really obvious that all their crap is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► going to be super mad and I won't spread. What malware wants to do both both for spreading purposes and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► Like why do they want to spread. Want to spread because it wants to become a powerful thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► What you want malware to do is to silently in fact someone's computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► To make it a slave of your bot net to let it mine for bitcoins to launch. Distributed Denial of Service attacks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► To do keystroke logging to steal pictures to turn on the webcam record people like the one most now where wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► is be hidden and doesn't want to delete all your files they'll be really obvious. And you would notice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► And you would immediately. Know something is his math. Stop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► It wants to get it took since your system an invisible way. And that's where the standard Unix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► Protection comes from where it wants to really get folks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► and your system what it really wants to do is modify files that are part of the operating system so we can like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► of all the keystrokes of every user logged in or are control the hardware in ways that an individual user could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► It wants to sort of infect the binary is that you run a lot of which are applications install the application fold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► the maybe you don't own business or installed by different user or menus or infect the operating system itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► or get into the I O. Level or you know. That's what malware wants to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► And so having a separate set of her missions where plain old. Your plain old user account. Can't modify system files. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► Can't install kernel extensions that. That intercept all your keystrokes of that's a good thing right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► So that's the content that's not the current situation having to have anything about Al Capp attention right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► System Integrity protection a ruthless moto whatever is trying to do is add another layer of protection which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► Instead of just having your regular user that can elevate you know the privileges up to the root user that can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► anything and having the user account that can do anything they want to say OK. A regular user account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► Some of those regular user accounts are admin users who can elevate their privileges to root level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► But even root can't do everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► So even if you elevate your permissions by entering an admin password you become the reviews or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► Even that user. Still can't do some stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► And the some stuff that they can't do is modify system files that inject their code into other running processes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► And all sorts of other things that you would take for granted on a regular Unix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► and once you elevate your privileges superiors level you can do anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► That's the whole point of the super user they are. You know I did hear they can do anything they want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► Doesn't matter who owns it doesn't matter they can do everything this. This is limiting the power of the root user. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► And it's doing that because history has shown that it's not too difficult to take and him in user account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► and either trick them into entering their been password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► or find an exploit that elevate their privileges up to admin level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► And that's where the malware can really get it took steep into your system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► And this isn't even if i'm our gets that far as the malware finds tricks a user into entering their men pass around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► they are name and user or finds a bug that elevates their privileges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► We still don't want them to be able to mess with the operating system not because the operating system is super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► important like that's where their stuff is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► But because that's what malware wants to do to really take over the computer to really like you know install that key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► logger they get every single keystroke every user ever typed on this computer and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► Emails that everybody takes pictures of them and records their credit card number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► and does all sorts of all of nasty things. That's what these things want to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► So yeah that's that this is the future as described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► and the details those of us who details of this isn't doubled over to c section seven zero six innocuously name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3355">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► security and your apps which is probably the reason I didn't even favorite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► when I was at that we had everything being Arkansas like what are they can tell whether that's boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► but by the time I heard it was in it was too late but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► They were there freely available will put a link on the show if you can take a look at it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► Go through all the different events going to do. Hearten to learn that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► Like the directory is there limiting to the system only is like flash systems last bins less user slash Espanola things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► you would expect them to forbid messing with. Were you supposed to put your stuff your unix the stuff. Your local like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► Like how they've been saying for years and years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► and use a local user local belongs to the user Apple will not blow away on system installs I've been using it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► long long time now I've never had to go wrong. Use a local as your friend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► That's where you should put your unix the stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► And of course in your home directory and all sorts of stuff like that the limitations they're adding here. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► All sound good for the purposes of increasing security. But there are once again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► Ramifications of them that are worth considering like you know can modify system binary got find should do that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► Can stall things in system locations that's fine Colonel extensions have to be signed all they had to be signed already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► that's not a new you know. Thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► There may be some badly behaved software out there that does currently try to shove stuff into been user Espen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► Ware does but it's pretty easy going to fix that by just picking up stuff and user locals lie that's why I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► and where will I be OK kernel extensions be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► and where I think as Karl extensions I don't know Casey I marry you never pay close enough attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► but I would presume so. But if they do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► You can still have kernel extensions concepts are still saying they have to just have to be signed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► And I think there's probably some you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► Approval process or something of on but like you know official safety tips are to be more doesn't have content. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► But anyway. You can still have kernel extensions that have to be signed and I says a dozen there signed anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► I think that think they're behind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► and that's not a big deal either it's just probably like installers that put stuff in Flash been just because their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► And they really should put it in your local band and then you know modify people's path or do whatever they have to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► Can attach to running processes and inject code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► You know can't use the trace probes on each project it processes all sorts of stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► This is a thing that you can disable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► Obviously you can't disabled by becoming root so you're not going to do su do some command. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► And then turn it off as the whole point is the Brits power is limited. If you want to disable it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► You have to boot into the recovery alas and disable it from there the little recovery partition I put in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► The configuration changes are starting end of your RAM and if huge to few turn off this mode. If you say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► I don't want this release of action the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► or that setting will persist across all across our Western style so if you install a new I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► Want something turn back on or whatever says they're trying to be friendly about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► All of the slide say this system of how to actually unable to so I don't want to solve a change problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► but you know this is again just you know. I doubt most people will bother. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► Messing with his kind of like when trying to support was only available. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► If you turned off the kernel extension signing verification nobody wanted to do that it was scary I don't think I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► But there are around as occasions for this type of decision in the one that came to my mind immediately after hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► all sorts of mac developers talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► and all a developer is complaining for years about the things that the mac app store doesn't allow to exist like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► kinds of apps that. That aren't allowed and I got star. Are very often the most interesting apps that me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► And I want to thought of immediately. Is Dropbox a fairly popular application. That got its start. The macros in of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► Got it started by. You know making that magical folder that sinks. But one of the key features I think of Dropbox. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► When it was introduced and to this day. Is that when you install Dropbox on the left hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► And you have your love Dropbox folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► and you drag things into it a little a badge is your little icon like a little blue spinny thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► And went completely sink you get a little green checkmark batch. And those little badges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► Like it's like oh it's just a magical folder but also there's a little extra bit of you why that tells me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► when something has finished thinking. Right. That is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► There are many if you just drop the committed off older with an icon it does a bunch of magic stuff behind the scenes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► And the little icons are basically the whole U.I. and Also adding a context menu. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► That pops up but the little icon badges. How to hold a little and little icon badges to the finder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► I didn't install an alternate version of find it well they did. They did in memory patching of the Finder process. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► They that the finder was a running processes part of the operating system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► And they would inject their own code into the running. Image of the Finder. To make it do those little bedrest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► You could not have Dropbox in a world where it was not exist in the old days obviously now you can because Apple made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► an official A.P.I. For it because there are no dummies I know Dropbox really popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► But I'm thinking of as the next innovative app like Dropbox like. You know if Dropbox didn't exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► El Capitan came out. Became the dominant one stall and someone had the idea for Dropbox. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► It could not exist on a list because there's no way to do what it did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► The path that followed was do something super nasty that Apple doesn't like keep fighting Apple for years to to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► to in memory patch their running process.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► Eventually become so popular that Apple is forced to give you an idea of your nefesh will A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► And then have Apple close the door behind you and say Now no one else can do what Dropbox did and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► This is the type of thing that I worry about from without all the apples policies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► Not so much that like they're going to stop me as user from doing what I want because I was pretty good least I was ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► For giving you a way to like turn the scrap off if you don't want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► but that is necessarily limiting the types of things creative. Third party developers can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► Where where is the next Dropbox go is an extra box can even be on the mac is even to be able to get off the ground as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► it is it going to be able to get to the point where it can get to a level of popularity where Apple is forced to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► official support for the A.P.I. Is that it wants into his operating system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► Or is Apple just slowly closing the door on interesting application ideas which have never been a veil of elbow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► and I us because you've always been limited what you do that with the Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► It's been the remaining area where people can try some crazy sorts of things. And even if Apple have an official A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► For them. If something works and becomes popular and people wanted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► That sort of the signal to Apple Hey people really like using their Maxa do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► and this company's been doing it in super dangerous ways for years maybe you can give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► and I think maybe I for that this route listening is like. Nope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► You're never going to be able to do it a dangerous way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► Because no one's going to be able to tell every day like Dropbox could not have gotten off the ground if they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► tell your body hey by the way reboot into recovery partition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► and turn out the security thing you know I understand then install Dropbox is great. Nobody would do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► It would not become popular so. That is the the promise. And the the worries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► Surrounding the snowed are just and Taggerty or whatever you want to call it and now Capitan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► Do you think some degree of that might be solved by market forces if necessary so for instance suppose like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► one of the ways that a lot of these but one of the most common categories of this kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► and that I know of are kind of hacks and plug ins to Mail dot app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► Aren't most of those using some kind of thing with those the only possible anymore. They were back in the day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► I don't know if they are. That's thing that goes. Is Apple have an official A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► and remember I'm not sure any way you can look at situations like that where there's some system app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► And it has some shortcomings or there's some compelling features that can only be added by these kind of things right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► So you're saying like you know we're not going to see those at all I'm saying we will probably still see that like if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► If it's compelling enough we will still see those things. But we will see them just. In other places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► Dropbox like we just won't see it on Mackley you know if that kind of thing is not possible it'll come to windows first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► Mobile really matters so much I'm not sure some like that could launch today and end up mattering. But regardless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► You know it would go on the platforms first. In the case of application plugins like Mel plugins. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► If those become not possible. Through any kind of release protection or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► Then we'll just see things like alternative mail clients coming up with compelling features instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► Do you think that's so that's an equivalent thing though like the people who would make the mail plugin making a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► fledge Malfoy occasion that includes a feature that you're on as a way higher bar than figuring out how to hack some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► plugin into mailed. Well look at where the innovations happening now. It's not an email it's in G. Mail. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► You know it's maybe that was a bad example. But you know there are things like that we're like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► There are other ways for for great compelling ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► To gain traction and get out and maybe it's harder maybe some of them are closed off. But over. All you know this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3894">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► I see this as really just another technological progression. You know like first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► In the early days you could just like you know screwball over memory now we have projected memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► and you can't just do that quite as easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► and think a lot of these things are kind of memory invasion hacks like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► but you know that some of them are not quite as bad as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► but like I you know as technology progresses we're getting more and more protections in safety is around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► You know things like system processes and user securing everything and all that and most of these protections. Cut off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► Categories of apps and hacks and add ons that were previously possible. And so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► You can look back at these progressions and. I don't think anybody's arguing that we should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► That we should on do any of them or make holes in any of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► Overall I think we really have made substantial improvements. By adding more protection over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► And there are certain things like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► You know like the political downside of these protections are things like They're not being over to side load apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► and i O. S. For users you know stuff like that that's that's that's bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► Well they improve that to an hour's time like now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► A regular person can stick and build and sign their own applications and Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► and put it on their device without doing any weird stuff right. Well yeah I mean yes that's true it's you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► That's of limited usefulness Maybe because most people are not going to be able to do that but just skill wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► Regard less these protections over time generally improve computing for people they generally improve stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► and improve security. And usually we look at the mall and say you know what we're better off now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► So most of these rules protections are common sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► There's only you know some of them might be might be restrictive to applications that innovation and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► I think the the percentage of those is going to be extremely low relative like everything that matters in computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► today where the innovation is happening in computing today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► I think it's moving away from places where it's important to be able to inject code in random places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► I don't think we're seeing a lot of that kind of innovation anymore I don't think we will because just the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► world is moving so even if Apple didn't do this like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► How likely is it that the next disruptive start was going to be a finder hack. You know it's honestly not that life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► How likely wasn't a game of the but it was like it totally was the Helped are from Dropbox with essentially. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► Under hacking a bunch of Python scripts and how many years ago it was that I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► but like I don't think it's outside their own possibility as doors close obviously it's like oh we came to be seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► less of these hacks will no doubt you're seeing less of these acts because they're making them less possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► But I agree with you like I think. I wouldn't I'm not arguing against these protections but I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► If you're going to add these protections which I think you should do you have to modify your other policies to match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► the reality that you are now disallows who was previously. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► Intentionally or not when I was relying on is sneaky clever people find ways to bypass things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► and do things that we don't want them to do. We will be angry about it and try to stop them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► But despite our best efforts some of them are going to have wildly popular and then we'll grudgingly add official A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► Support. And whether that is a conscious strategy or just like how things turn out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► That is sort of the lifecycle of the of the innovative software application. Right on the Apple platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► And if you change that lifecycle by saying you know what we want to cut out the early part where they do that as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► think in the gross way that we don't think we should because it's dumb like we don't want people hacking I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► You know I didn't like the fact the dropbox did in memory hacking remember finding ways to disable by removing a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► context menu like injecting things up like that like. That's all bad. But if you take that away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► You have to comp the new life cycle in the new lifecycle could be a developer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► You know a bunch of developers have a reasonable request for system A.B.I. Support for badging icons in the Finder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► The current Apple would. There's no mechanism for you to get that if you buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► and egg you can't say no matter how many developers say boy we really wish there was a way we could intercept audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► system wide because we have some great ideas for like Audio Hijack three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► or whatever like even if it's fifteen different companies or even of like Adobe and Microsoft that Apple is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► I have that doesn't seem important as you shouldn't do that anyway like like there isn't there is no alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► lifecycle for these innovations. It's their cutting off one way for these things to come out and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► I don't see them opening up to the point where like we're willing to entertain your suggestions for a new A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► As even if it's a lot of work for example meant. And it will only benefit you as a third party. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► Simply because we want those kind of innovative ideas in our platform. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► Like they need to do you need to make an alternate path. Like I put just put a link in the shots of M.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► and Time to my real paths in the grass. Thing with the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► Which is the thing about hacks these are the Larry Wall quote which is not really his quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► but he's quoting somebody else about university campus where they don't pay anything they just let people walk around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► wherever they were down the grass that's where you put the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► System hacks like that are telling you what is it the people want to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► And it's really like you need to come up with a good way to find out right to people really want to put benches in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► there I conjure is just something some random kid at MIT thinks would be cool for people to have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► It's not even a product just a feature like it doesn't sound like could. What's his name. Drew whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► Could he somehow have commenced Apple to add an official A.P.I. For badging icons in the Finder. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► I don't see how this any way he could possibly do it like there needs but there needs to be some way for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► If you can't do it by hacking away. What is the official way of doing what is the official way of making. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► Oh yes tenor I.O.'s or any platform that Apple controls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► A viable place for you to do this new innovative thing that currently there is no well supported way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► and I guess that Mark was like well they can't do it here we'll do it first on Windows or whatever like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► I think all computing platforms are moving this direction. And secondarily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► I don't think Apple would be happy with the answer that was what the innovation happening on the platform them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► copies. Right now but once the innovation happen it and its platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► But innovation is weird in that you can't predict what it's going to want so you have to have some way for the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► with good ideas. To be able to do what they want to do on your system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► And that's a harder problem I think because back when you just let them hack stuff up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► You got that you didn't have to decide you were like well that person had a crazy hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► and no one cares that person at a crazy Acca known carries that wonder because you have no one cares all this person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► degrade the hack. And the entire world loves Dropbox. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► Apple can't make that call how does app another this is going to listen to all those guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► And so I want to have this I want to be I felt like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► In some respects the old one where you let the people hike your system was easier for Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► But now they're kind of putting themselves on the hook the their box out these creative ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► Or find some new way to sort of vet which crazy ideas are worth implementing. And which aren't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► Our finest bunch of this week is a glue. Go to a glue Software dot com slash A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► Igloo is an internet you will actually like. Now air anyone who's worked and a corporate environment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4314">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Casey John knows how painful internets can be. Usually work Internets are awful the content is stale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► The interface is ugly and you can't access it on your phone or do really and he really useful on mobile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► Igloo is an Internet you'll actually like because designed for the user. In the modern world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► Igloo gives you the flexibility to get your work done how you want to where you want to and I what ever device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► You want to use a glue is truly building a product meant for twenty fifteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► Not nine hundred ninety seven like so many unfortunate internets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► With a glue Internet you can share news you can organize your files you can coordinate calendars and manage projects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► All in one place. Everything can be social with comments like buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► And anyone can add content based on their permissions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► But drag and drop widgets and I'm with you wig editor that's what you see is what you get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► I pronounce it was he would you guys the thing. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► And it will make use of response of web design to look fantastic on all your devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► and they have an amazing advance document engine. You can preview and annotate documents. All with H.T.M.L. Five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4375">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► So it works with everything from a computer always on to even a Blackberry. It works on every device. It's responsive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► It's great design you can customize your design. One. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► If one department wants some ugly fonts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and you don't you can let them have their out the fun you can have your department have the nice pretty fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► You can do everything you wanted a glue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► It is so it really brings the best together of things like microblogging services and collaborative document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► and station all that stuff it brings all together. In your private. Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► And it's very enterprise friendly it's if it's a lot of requirements for enterprise the keep everything private it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► really quite impressive. Check it out. So I am but a glue Software dot com slash A.T.P. For a free trial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► In fact if your group has a tenner fewer people. It's even free forever to check it out. Igloo Software dot com. A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► For a free trial and get started today. Thanks a lot to glue for sponsoring our show once again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► Before we leave this topic. Real time fall from the need to be tipster V.M. Ware doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► Shove stuff in the system directory is V.M. Ware does use kernel extensions and V.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► Ware currently works in El Capitan things. Seeds one through four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► So life is good for me and humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► and also to like me because various Audio Hijack products stuff like that those all have signed Caxton So those will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► all still work as well so I mean I think they're not available nightcap star right no definitely. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► That doesn't mean anything these days. Right but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► But couldn't be available not just because their choice to put it there but they could not but the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► My understanding is that you could not put audio hijacked on the mag outside violates the guidelines of the NY cops are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► As far as me that's true I mean like like there are certain loopholes like like some apps will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► They'll have like a basic version on the App Store that can do some functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► but then to do anything fun yes like go to their website and download it's optional extra component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► and all sorts the fight that like there are there are different hacks but for the most part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► I think whether something is allowed in the mac app store is almost completely irrelevant to the possible innovation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► Because the fact is the maggots Tory just adds a disaster if in so many ways I mean the actual app itself from use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► perspective is awful. The policies are Draco nian and restrictive and oppressive and way worse than I.I.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► Relative to what's normal on the platform. It's a buggy. It's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► You know it's just awful if there's a so many things about it are terrible. That we can't say that. Well that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► If that won't fly in the mag ops door then it won't happen in the mac because the fact is it's going to the point now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► where the App Store is really a ghost town and almost everything good in the mac is outside of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► But like the my cat story. As for as as bad as it isn't. People may be leaving it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► I think it does express what Apple wishes. Make out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► Sort of like like sand but the fact the sandboxing was there first and was a requirement and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► You know the don't want you to do any sort of hacks and go on to install stuff like Apple wishes all apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► Whereas night. Nice and neat and self self-contained as the mac app store guidelines dictate.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► Yeah but the backup store it's like. It's like X. H.T.M.L. You really hit X H T M L don't you pull that one out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► Well no it just it was a great example of like like the cat was already out of the bag ever it was already doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► And this dance group some but they are going to lock everything down to be very restrictive informal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► Here's the new way to do it and everyone basically just said. No it's actually female had it had a transitional D.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► A day like it was and that's hard and fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► but I think the mag out store is more like it's all going to be as expressions like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► You know forget about all of the attributes and to act like it's so so limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► but the limitations of the I got story like. I really feel like they express what Apple wishes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► Mac software development was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► They don't match the reality of what my software to open actually is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► and I don't think they also are enough of an overlap with what users actually want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► I think applications like Audio Hijack fill a need for people who want the type of application like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► This is great it makes me happy that I have my mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► Because this and that can do this amazing thing with applications that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► Lets me use on that to do interesting things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► But that can't fit within the guidelines of the next outsource so you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► History has shown so far that Apple has been really good about like well how does NOT count store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► Show you what we want to be what we're not going to stop you from a lot of crap like will do everything we can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► developer id's and the it was a called gatekeeper thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► and they even have like the gatekeeper setting toggle back from the insecure want to secure one if you like Turn Turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► in secure mode for second you forget about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► And you don't launch an app that wouldn't be allowed like a toggle back like that trying to do everything they can most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► loud and power users to do what they want. But still they just want everything to be kind of heard over there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► And eventually there's going to competencies hard things like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► What if you know this you go through the exercise and say what if you really did want everything to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► and I got started now you couldn't have Photoshop. Anymore. How would you square that circle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► What would you do to deal with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► You know I was asked do something because you're not going to like well tough luck at all we've got to rewrite their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► applications office and I got star like they would they would figure out Hedo be what you need to get like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► And they just don't seem to to extend that sort of effort to these smaller applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► and so we're locked in a situation where most Macs offer that people really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► and care about is either not the mac apps that are not in the mac app store only and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► and more software that people do care about is leaving the I got started was too much of a hassle to be there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► And I don't think this is bad software like Panix applications you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► But about the poster child for like doing things the Apple way they're practically a miniature Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► Even they can stick it out in some cases for the I gotta start with applications because just to in are much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► hassle do they devalue the app store do they just get rid of the i Cloud thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► and forget I think the gist of their own sync service because I can handle. I Cloud thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► Maybe they did leave for one of the minor. I think. I think anyway. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► The fact is like the mac app store has been a. I think a colossal failure I mean it's not a level of ping. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► and just like how much people are using at these days how relevant that is how much it is really not at all the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► of app deployment and sales on the Mac. I mean. Again it's not about is paying but I don't like it's that far off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► It really is terrible it really has been a huge failure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► And it seems like it seems like there are lots of forces within Apple and you know some of it just like inertia. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► Some of it might be politics I don't know I don't know the and the internals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► but it just seems like whatever forces got it to that state where it's a now where Apple just tried to rule with such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► an iron fist especially with sandboxing coming in after the fact which really hurt things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► You know just really was such an iron fist there that everyone really just left. And like now as a consumer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► We've tipped the point where like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► when it first came out a used to buy as many things there as I could because then I wouldn't have to deal with serial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► numbers or anything I knew I could install it like on my laptop at my desktop and I wouldn't give me crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► But what has happened since then is enough. Big apps have left it. That. Now I'm afraid to buy anything there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► Now if something is available in or out of the app store I'll bite out of the after by default now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► So like I feel like I've been typing a lot of people like a soon as it happens to you once for like an app you bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► in the App Store then leave the App Store I think as soon as it happens to you once. You're very likely to to switch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► In that way the way I did you know there's still a barrier though to buying outside the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► or for normals right for regular people like there's a reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► Everyone loved I was out it's are like you just click click Are you got a thing like a special because Sony go of i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► Tunes accounts like credit card is already there like the benefits are there for regular people it's a luxury that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► have to be like oh I know what to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► When I get burned in this way because I think regular people do get burned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► and by the way same of the chat room one of the coda to with the one I was thinking of is out of the mag out there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► about all of people who bought coda on the I got store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► And now it's out of it like they have the frustration there in the situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► but are all of them ready to go to know which website to go to and know how to buy it online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► and deal with the serial numbers and do it like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► We're OK with that because that's the way it was for the longest time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► but for people who are sort of came into computers in the in the i OS app store age. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► There used to just going someplace and clicking a thing and getting the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► and just having it there like the those benefits are still there and you mention like them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► Ruling with an iron fist and then I got store I think the problem is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► So they wasn't that there really was an iron fist. They have the carrot on the stick right. And the stick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► Was sort of floppy and nonexistent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► Because bottom line you didn't have to buy through the mag outsmart you can get your stuff so the stick is barely there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► like they don't really have much of a stick to make people be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► and I kept store as evidenced by all the people living it right. And the carrot. Was kind of a rotten crappy care too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► So there was no real stick to force people to be there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► And no real carrot for you like here's why you should be in the beginning it seem like there was a carrot hey people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► are excited by the mac app store I got to be there to get the sales but as a kind of fizzled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► Carrot is looking less appealing. And like the basically is no stick. Like even regular people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► If anyone has a mac and knows how to buy software for all like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► You can google and find something in sun like it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► but it's no more difficult than it was before the outsource exactly as difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► and before the mac out starting to send people made money selling software for the mac somehow that it wasn't a mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► It wasn't something that everybody did you know the number of people who were on Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► and who bought software what was much smaller number of people who had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► I was devices and install ops is everyone's got an IRA So I says tapping on that upstart installing something right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► You know it's just a Facebook app. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► But it was still a viable business so it seems like we're slowly reverting to that where the knockout store is filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► with the few apps that can now can still fit within its guidelines. And again. Code and panic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► When Panic can't get their app on your thing like they're like the most conscientious like made in Apple's image all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► the similar like quality and wanting to do the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► and they struggle with a really long time of sandboxing with their application trying to make a go of it working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► without over like a year to year like. If they can make a go over the like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► What hope is there for anybody else because their code is not like a you know an application is injecting code into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► Finder to put badges and icons like. It's an ID for web developer for crying out loud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► And you can't have that does that outside their own with things you can have a knack now. X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► Goes in the not got it or not that count because it's Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► That's the best thing like you know Apple can put stuff on the I got started whatever the hell wants to tell the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► don't apply to Apple which is part of the problem I mean that's part of both app stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► but especially the mac One is that they don't dog food. Most of these things so it's really it's disaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► Well and even as user so not only am I now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► Disincentive eyes from buying things there that are out that are available elsewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► But in recent times I don't even look there anymore. Because so many great apps are not available there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► And all it only takes a couple of times you're looking for an app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► Before you can develop a pattern of you know I now have now I have to look in the App Store and out of the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► Like I was it's great you can just look in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► and you can see this is everything available for the platform for the mac. It was never that way but it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► When it was when it started you could tell it. It's going to sway and there was more stuff there it seemed like.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► Now it's like if I want to add to do X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► and then also to do web search I also have to find it's like you know like the bad old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► when you just like didn't have one place to look like it was again the status is something that should be an advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► and this is just not an opposite not enough of a carrot like that's why people were in the beginning well I'll be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► double people don't even know that a website exist like people know where to even start to get mac outs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► or to get Macsoftware But hey here's a place to start for the top of the Apple menu let me just go there and I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► I fear what a topic now is. People go to that I don't know how the Apple menu. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► And they think that's all there is for the platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► Like that's a natural thing to think if you are someone who like came to the mac from I.O.'s or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► Oh I guess these are all things I can get for the mac. Maybe someone might have heard of Photoshop ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► There's Photoshop is not I've heard of that is not not that I guess they have casual people wouldn't buy far shop is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► expensive application but or I guess Microsoft Office two is on the backups or forget. I think it might be actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► Yeah. Anyway. Like some things are still outside of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► And their applications like Apple applications I don't have to abide by the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► but like that would be the worst thing like. If you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► If you get a mac and and think that the stuff on the mac apps store is the extent of what you can do with a mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► Like you just missing out on too much stuff. You know is Dropbox my caps or maybe it is now they have the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► The icon badging thing but certainly in the old days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► That Dropbox can be in the magazine are going to inject the code into the finder. Not going to when I got Starr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► If you thought that you got a mac and you couldn't get Dropbox. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► and I couldn't find Dropbox is that not a thing on the mac like because I heard my friends talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► and they said I should get it but I don't see it anywhere and like. First of all. Little aside here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► Dropbox for me has never worked worse and it doesn't Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► when the editor integration the fight the finder negotiation with the country points they don't inject code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► It's buggy as hell. It's so buggy. Icon and I read about this in a bunch people so they say the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► I constantly have issues where a file be updated. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► Remotely from somewhere else often it's like our shared folder when you as a ploy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► or audio file be up to uplift updated. And it in Finder in Finder windows. It will lose its bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► And will be the old filename. Not the new one. So a basically a ghost file. Filename will appear to be there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► And if you go into terminal in the LS It shows the correct content. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► But in the Finder window showing stale contents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► and it will still show an old filed a new file won't show up until you relaunch finder which case it'll be fixed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► twenty minutes. Maybe. So many people of report that they have the same problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► Old Dropbox never had that problem like this is getting of things like they are high ground anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► Accies man actually has a like that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► That's the thing about the whole like injecting memory into another process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► and the complications that become popular that do that necessarily have to be the ones written by people who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► know the ins and outs not again on that I'm recommending that it is a crazy practice or whatever but how did X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► How we're actually just thing for so long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► Unsanity this company making these products that just like did terrible things to your system how does that work at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► How did they ever become popular is because the people who made them were able to find ways to do them that what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► would actually work for a large number of people what is incredibly hard is not a scalable way to development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► but it kind of weeds out all the people who wanted to find hacking away who does have who didn't know every little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► Because they were just crash your system and you would never hear and so the people who did Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► but I think it was a presentation on this one to her ROIC efforts to figure out how to safely patch on it which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► terrible way to do this in an official A.B.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► Is better but it was entirely in their hands to figure out how to do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► Whereas now you're cooperating with Apple and Apple finder team on will make this A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► and You can use it and you know what it's like with Apple I be the first release that it's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► and there are bugs it doesn't work right or whatever you're hoping the next year will fix the bugs and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► and Al Capp again there's this new wave have worked better or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► but maybe not maybe not a big priority for them so I don't know what kind of hope there is for this getting less buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► I haven't had a many problems you describe for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► but I have seen situations where I like what I get usually it's like the badges don't appear on like doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► integration is full speed quickly if you know why do I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► and then like in the context menus the same thing like that I think it was officially before anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► Realtime files and a chat room Dropbox is not in the mag out story did a search for Dropbox knockout store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► and get a screen full of results and say things like app driver Dropbox app for Dropbox box menu. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► Drop for Dropbox drag share for Dropbox app for Dropbox for Dropbox instant out for Dropbox plus swift drop for Dropbox. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► Anyway. Search on the App Store and Apple's decision to let everything in but draw no distinction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5333">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► Like I don't even know what these things are but I fear for someone saying they want Dropbox. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► And these are prices to ninety nine to ninety nine for ninety nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► I don't think there's any free others a couple free ones here and there drop light for Dropbox D.V.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► Webcam Dropbox revisions for Dropbox. I fear for someone thinking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► Then I got stories where you get up occasions I've heard of a thing called Dropbox let me go find it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► Face with this screen. I don't know what they would do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► Of but they certainly want to get Dropbox I can tell you that this is not here. And that's it that's exactly the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► It only takes a couple of times of searching for something that you know is out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► and not finding it the mac app store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► Before you just stop looking in the mac app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► or you download have these because they all have obviously they'll have Drop Box icon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► I'll have a little box that is that either an exact copy of the dropbox icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► or someone trying to redraw the dropbox like it's so bad after a search is all other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► So things are going really well in the backup store then I got. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► and we should mention cracking berries recent post to on the USA Just so we can just get rid of the show not someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► mention it. Yeah yeah. Definitely definitely read this like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► Because one of the problems the back App Store and MAC development general is not only that there's all these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► You know policy issues and really with the iron fist and there floppy care and lack of stick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► But also it's like they're ruling with a neglectful iron fist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► and so much so many luxuries that i OS developers get a new feature that I was developers get from things like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► I Tunes connect i Cloud. A.P.I. Has so many of them. Don't come to the MAC at all or come very late to the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► And I cracked that damn ples of like test flight bills and some of that were just like this stuff is like and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► Usually it's promise from Agatha go Mechelle have it. Soon. I'm just hardly ever get there get there very later and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► Yeah I just obviously the mac. A.P.I. Wise development wise and Macs services for developers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► Incredibly high priority is Apple because if they were you know that's what Apple says I regard this of what we hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► You know hardworking people inside the company a world in the in the middle of the of the hierarchy somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► Regardless of that you can just tell by their actions you can tell by the results. That this is you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► This is not a priority I went to the parody I.O.'s has way more users brings in way more money is way more high profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► obviously that's that's a higher priority. And I can't really fault them for that but it's unfortunate as mac users. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► And it's even more unfortunate if you're a mac developer. That you that you're really on what used to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► The thing Apple cared so much about and now. It's clearly you know. Third or fourth priorities days.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► The one that hurts the most the for that is a thing where they disabled Aparicio use from beta versions of i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► And they didn't. The didn't do it on the Mac like. That's not a hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► I don't want to say though that so easy to do with like they they dedicated the resources a do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► and i OS that feels like the type of thing just to save face you like can we do that for the one who has to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► Maybe they will do it eventually maybe it takes longer to patch the mac asked our application maybe there's no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► working on the mac app store application I don't know what the details are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► but the that one really hurts because like ever and so excited any people can really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► Never mind this kind of like a little too little too late because already betas are in people's hands they are writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► reviews. But they fixed it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► Not from accusers so you don't even get that you don't even get what you think is probably like the lowest effort type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► and some respects like the great talking very thing is coming out from the perspective of a MAC developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► and as people voice said like Apple cares about Apple first user seconds developers. Third or later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► It's a reasonable prioritization So it's like a lot of times developers want things from Apple that Apple doesn't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► them because of because they think it's more important for users to have something of rabble to have something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► But this is the case or developer versus developer it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► Impairing What is it like if you're developing for Apple's most popular platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► or developing for Apple's second most popular press from. And it's a hell of a drop off. Congo second most popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► and suddenly the watch becomes a second most popular one then your then your developing for the third most popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► Not that I honestly. Yeah. I'm not sure that will happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► But that's another show and either way remember just a couple years ago. Years ago we came back to the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► So things are fine don't worry about it. I mean I think they did do. Are doing better with A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► Parity because so many guys are reappear in both like extensions A.P.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► That didn't come out the same time in both but you can't when that happens it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► It's like a boost to the neck because like Oh I wouldn't expect that I would expect to be I was first in Mexico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► when it comes out simultaneously like wow the mac really got a boost there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► but that's a user facing feature it's not a developer facing feature and. So yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► There is a priority cascade and it does still affect things but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► And I would not hold out any hope for improvement of the mac app store I mean like the beta thing you said like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► and like not allowing people to review from betas look just look at the State of the mac app store application itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► Just try to use it for anything try to do anything and try to browse anything. Obviously doing anything to this app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5635">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► Is it must be extraordinarily difficult or impossible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► Inside Apple to get anything done such as that because it doesn't happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► I don't there's a lot of people working on it though I think like the underlying frameworks probably of people working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► on them like the things that you know again with tell you like you can run updates from the application then close the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► application entirely but the out that still run because there are like processes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► and daemons behind the scene that manager software updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► Those I think are being worked on because they they you know. You do the O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► Up they didn't they do about this and I think this people working on those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► But sort of the gooey skin the provides like the view into the store and all that. That seems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► Like I don't think I can remember the last time a new feature appeared in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► Maybe the house on fixing the most egregious bugs or just seems like no one's working on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► I can honestly say it's worse than i Tunes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► It has many of the same problems and challenges of i Tunes of of you know having this. Does a giant web service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► Rendering what's basically a big web you in the app. Is it went to you or is it like X.M.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► Like of the i Tunes stories to be number one i Tunes store is like custom mikes on the Hell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► Yeah that's a good question if it might be that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► It feels like a big web you it behaves like a big web company like one of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► One of the things they bought try us like chomp or whatever like a thing or the money remitted regular app store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► when they made the search suck even more by having those big cards at all you see want to put a time on screen that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► and I know why we should be trying to guess what the underlying technologies are who cares we just know the end result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► is an application that does weird things and sometimes the only solution is like closer to relaunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► or to restart your McAnuff like good. Thanks a lot for three sponsor of this week. Igloo Squarespace and need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► The was accidental. John didn't feel any team are going to be seen with him. Because it was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► It was accidental. And she was going on today. And it's clear that he was no set so that's keep lists and the N.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► Markel. Ahmed Maher let's take the risk. She says. I joined a gym. You joined a gym. I joined a gym. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► What are you going to do with the gym. Can lift heavy things. I haven't done that yet. I probably won't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► Going to run in place like a hamster in a wheel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► I haven't done that yet I have walked really fast in place though does that count. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► Lay out like a hamster that's not in a hurry. Yeah yeah. Like a hamster who's living readings i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► How does the work with the official Marco wardrobe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► What I mean I wear shirts there and I wear them home I'd like to shirts and. It's got a I'm sure you have a shorts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► In the summertime Yes I do wear shorts because it's easy it's way too hot for bands in the summertime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► And I don't like sure I really hate shorts honestly. But. But I own shorts because I live somewhere with the summer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► That's a season you do have Casey. Yup. So you doing this to fill your circles. I am. Yeah. I mean that you know I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► Would like to generally stay healthy you know but. But yes a sense of a really is are for the circles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► So that also those circling in the gym. Are you like you're dropping pounds. Some. Yeah I'm down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► I don't know like six pounds and for like two months or something I don't know if I'm down some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► And it's not a dramatic thing as I'm still eating ice cream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► but the apple is the Apple Watch versus blue apron blue prints fine no blue apron is actually great because it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5871">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► It's ever since we started that it's been actually easier to to be healthy and lose weight because it is so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► It's just it's you know it's a dinner from labor and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► Even if you add more oil than they tell you to because you have to add more oil may tell you to give the amount they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► tell you to is not nearly enough to frighten actable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► Even if you add more oil and I tell you to you're still under a thousand calories for dinner. And that's pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► So anyway. Yeah I mean. I joined a gym because I live in an area with a great variety of weather. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► And a good portion of that weather is not that pleasant to be walking very quickly for three miles outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► So I joined earlier this week when it was like ninety degrees. And so one day in a billion percent humidity and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► I joined a ring that day and it's like ten bucks a month for. What's basically the worst gym in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► But I don't care because the time bucks a month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► And that's means I don't have to buy a treadmill and put it in the house anywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► So you're scoping out the gym people who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► and some people watching the on the varieties of people that show up at the gym. In my to visit to the gym so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► I have not seen that many other people honestly it's. It's a pretty big Jim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► And I go at weird times when everyone else is working. So it's. I go when it's almost empty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► So I've seen a handful of people and I just kind of look straight ahead and look at my watch my phone stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► and you're watching video on your i Phone You're reading things you're listening to podcasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► I haven't quite figured this out yet. The first the first I've only gone twice this is this week. And it's been nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► Other days weeks I've been doing I've been walking outside other days this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► But the first time I did podcasts and it was. It was kind of boring because like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► I'm fine to impact us when I walk outside because like visually I mean used by the outside world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► But when you're just like locking out a treadmill staring at bad cable T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► That you're not listening to go into pod cast kind of boring. So the last time I went I did I watched. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► Nevins go contact that was really good. And When to that show not I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► and that was that was an hour long that was perfect so maybe this might actually be a good time to watch conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► talks and do other things that are that have a visual component to good use of E.R. Goggles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► I don't know about that either because every use a treadmill before. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► Does the thing where you have like vertigo after you get off does that ever go away. What. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► I can't say that I got that one. Yeah. Maybe just getting light headed because it's only your second day of the gym. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► No maybe it's because you're looking at the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► and not paying attention what's going on around Yeah maybe you're getting motion sick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► Well yeah it's like when I'm on it I'm fine but then if I stop and I've tried like slowing down gradually. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► But it doesn't really matter. Whenever I stop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► I feel like I've gotten off a boat you're like who will you know like I feel if I don't feel great for a few minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► afterwards. You might be getting motion sick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► I mean it's you like the form of motion sickness where it's people chatter saying you get used to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► The times I've been in trouble have been staring at an i Phone or front of me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► It's like it's I don't know what that maybe that is a common thing if you're less Peshitta like the difference in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► the i Phone or funny when the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► Across the room I think is a big difference in terms of like where you're where you're focusing. Well it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► The problem is it's T.V. On your treadmill right in front of you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► and I've tried looking at the ceiling looking across the room like I've tried of other things about it doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► really seem to make a bigger difference. Like where I'm looking at just like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► I'm running so my body thinks I'm moving forward so it or my brain to move forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► So it's probably compensating for that. And then when I stop walking in place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► And then it's like has like switch back to the uncommented or mode and I think that's what causes that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► But Save you have B.R. Goggles as you walk he'd be moving through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► You could be moving through a farce the virtual farce while a virtual scream floats in front of you so you watch Nevins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► conference talk while walking through a virtual Yosemite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► I could do that or I could just like use the bikes and ellipticals instead. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► Are you just walk outside I'm amazed that you face humanity so much that you rather walk in like people usually go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► the gym like in the winter when you know it's freezing outside. Well and that's I knew like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► I got the Apple Watch in late April. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► When it was really beautiful outside and it's been pretty beautiful since then but I've known like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► Well winter is going to come eventually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► And I'm going to like I want to keep this up in the winter and winter here is pretty bad not as bad as you but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► But pretty bad and. And so I wanted to have some kind of option. And listen to like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► Should I get a treadmill in my house and. It seems like there's almost no reason for a regular person to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► There's like the the. The pros and cons you need some place to hang laundry. Yeah. Well. It ends up there huge like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► I know the giant turns out all my god like when you're when they're in a gym you don't really realize it but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► When he when you like tape out measurements in your house or how big a treadmill actually is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► Oh my God they're they're massive. And not just a room how much room it takes up but especially for the ones that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► If they're like a stair thing or whatever like how much room you need around them for yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► Swinging body parts and getting on and getting off and then the thing has moved on a cell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► Yeah for the winter activity maybe you have almost the makings Well maybe not for you maybe for Adam. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► If you can get hops. And the other two dogs who your parents have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► You could have the makings of a kind of like a dog sled team you just need to be like maybe they can pull Adam. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► If you just get four of them instead of three then it would be even though be adorable. Oh my goodness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► That's we're better than buying a treadmill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► If now that I put that idea into your head I want to his and pictures of that will work it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► Give me one thing that breed of dog does well is pull in the same direction. Right. And you can run and five different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► Actions will bring. Yeah that'll be interesting. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► Yeah you can exercise outside in the winter people do it speaks big number of them have a polka sense is out there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► his bare feet in twenty degree below weather that Paulk a fox is not a fair comparison he's like a super human. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► That is not it is not fair to hold me up to his standard at all not even close. I just I cannot believe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► Like when you saw the watch announcement was the first thing that popped in your head. Darn it I'm going to join a gym. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► Not even close right. How did we get from A to B. Here doesn't have the antibodies. It was infected. You're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► Because even like when when when we first started seeing good pictures of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► I was concerned seeing the sensor bubble on the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► And I was concerned that would be uncomfortable pressing into my skin so I even have said in the past that before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► before I got it as a you know if they just made a model that lacked all the fitness features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► and lack that big bubble on the bottom. I'd buy that instead to be more comfortable. And yet now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► Now that I have it no I would never do that that's stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► I'm depressed at how strong Mandy bodies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► and how little I care about the circle her really wished I was more like I really I would like maybe you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► Maybe you'll know it's got Mark was going to do it maybe you know you know I haven't done anything like this in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► maybe I'll still get back into it is. God I just can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► We can start competing with each other do you have those antibodies or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► Maybe that would help like that apples really have that integration you have to use like some third party out that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► strike a underscores that's a pedometer plus lots of authority there like a competition maybe that actually would help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► But one of the problems also is that even a watch kit to a lot of the data for the for the circles like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► I don't think apps have access to all that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► Like they had you have access to the step count for the for the orange circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► but I don't think you have access to the green or blue. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► The stuck out of the Not that you see like a machine in Montero like competing for their just with their Fit Bit step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► counts I think it all is that the business that count you know how many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► I think that like my company that does motivate a lot of people maybe I don't like I want to determine what circles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► When it tells me to get up I do feel a little bit of the old like oh I should probably get up and go for a walk now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► or never. But the bottom line is I'm not feeling of like and. My my whatever devalue of all my circles around it's low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► I was telling them all doubled every city like I know what it takes to fill them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► But my daily schedule just does not do enough to fill them at least one my watch them so I tend if I want to go home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► for Mark I want to take my watch off just because I just want to get stuff off my body and then try to totally naked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► Just you know. Like I have doesn't have any conditions I'm certainly shorts and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► Yak getting into a home over that involves taking the watch off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► And so that means anything I do after that I like walking around with the kids or whatever is going to not count. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► But I don't care what are you do you tell you care you care just enough to be annoying to yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► But not enough to actually do it. Yeah. To feel like a little twinge of guilt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► When I don't feel them actually you're going to be perpetually mildly annoyed by this it doesn't bother me that much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► I tell you what I am a blue ring. Stud the green in red not so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► The green is the hardest when I think I base what I think I feel the other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► but the exercise ones because like I don't quite know I never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► I have never actually initiated like a workout workouts all my green feeling as I get into dental from heart rate stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► and I don't even know how that works like whatever. But I'm just never feeling it. Except for double their E.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► To completely change pace house party training going. It's going actually OK good. Yeah it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► It's not complete but it's going to be going to day care what it is a reinforcing of their. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► Yes So he goes to preschool and. He's going out to summer camp. Which is just school in the summertime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► We were able to do this transition with their support and they do it all the time because they have school for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► and three year old so they have seen lots of potty training and their time in their experts at it so they support it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► and they you know they. You know they do it while he's there so it's good. We're all good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► They doing any positive feedback stuff like sticker charts or anything like that like either at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► or at school to try to like reward for for compliance basically sticker I did I had not thought of a stick retard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► That's one of the things that I cause that I need they recommended at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► and like doesn't work as I'm concerned ever but I just have a piece of paper and like every time you do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► You get a sticker on the chart and some kids are modified by motivated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► and some kids aren't I just didn't know if that was one of the things that you are doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► Now we are doing like food motivation. Candy and cookies is the. We very quickly learned that you can't reward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► Going to the bathroom you have to reward like timespans in which you have a had no accidents. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► Because if you reward going to the bathroom then. He just wants to go every five minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► So to go back a step you've basically outsourced potty training to the Summer camp is what I'm hearing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► Well he's there for like two and a half hours a day and it's not like camp is a very you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► It's technically called Camp. That's a very generous word for what it really is. It's just preschool in the summertime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► And it's mostly outside. And that's that's basically it. And preschool as you will learn soon Casey is really short. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► Every day. Like it goes. That two and a half hours goes by very quickly. So I don't doubt it. Yeah. It's been a wild. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6536">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► Couple of weeks that the. Sort of kind of able to crawl. Issue. To pretty adept at crawling and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► He used to up until this point. Barrel Roll. Pretty effectively. To a barrel roll. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► That's a reference on any weight so you barrel barrel roll pretty effectively. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► And then he'd figured out how to crawl in our world is upside down because he doesn't just stay still anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► And kind of petrifying and additionally He's also starting to pull up onto his feet which is adorable to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► and wonderful except that he's also he's also doing that in the crypt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► Which is not as good because then he gets himself all what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► Well can up and doesn't want to sleep as long and we have to lower the crib again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► and blah blah blah so wild couple of couple weeks the list household my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► My favorite picture of Declan recently was showing him. Next to your computer with a note that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► That he'd already pulled off a key cap. Yeah. He has genuinely it had been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► It had been like fifteen seconds and he crawled over there ripped off a key. It's the great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► Dawning realisation that like the idea like oh we have a good he won't describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► or destroy our crap like the second that kid can move it's like I'm going to destroy your crap you that's pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► how we can seek out the most expensive item. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► And I get my little baby finger now learned to ski Kaplan he comes off this is awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► Like I was doing for two seconds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► Yeah that's pretty much it were you there that's exactly when I did not know kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► or guy just you to your credit you're not one of the BE ABLE who who would look down and other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► and said well my child won't destroy my stuff all just make sure they don't touch my things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► Thank the reason baby proofing of the word. Well. So I'm not like that about most things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► However I have been very smug about my car never will my car will not get ruined. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► I will not allow my car to get ruined if that means no food in the car straight no food in the car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► Is there a car seat installed in your car now. Yes. So there's been for a while. So isn't it. Destroying your seeds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► I've I've had similar good luck I mean you know we we also like there just by policy there's no food in the car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► Like just and that's been fine. You know we also have a policy that you don't take my seat. And so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► I mean he's sometimes forget think he's pretty soon you will. But so far. Overall it's pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► You don't have to rethink the seat kicking I don't really depends on your kid I think you can pull the seeking thing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► kids. Not really. But the thing and they were the last of their pretty long time and it would last forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► Is that I told them that the seats have airbags in them which is true. And that are breaking an explosive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► Which is true. And that if you pick the seeds you called to explode which is not true but they don't know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► That's amazing actually. I don't think I ever did I don't think I ever actually told them they cause I would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► The seats of our bags in the mare banks of explosives I think that's all I would say and I would say in an alarm voice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► And they would stop kicking and it was awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► There were a lot until they were like you know what these things are never exploding kick kick out as a good boy you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► need to do that with Declan are now you look like a scamp. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► I can't tell but I think you can trouble Casey I can't wait to see Casey just go through all this because like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► It's not like I'm any expert on it but just just by being like two years ahead of him bathe like. That's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► That's amazing to me like like seeing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► Like seeing that he's like you know you're going through like the beginning of mobility. Which is as you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► Terrifying for the bare skin. Oh yeah. And yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► What's what's great about parenting is that every time you think you have the current stage down pat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► Oh yeah everything then changes with the next day. It's like. So like yeah you know we finally got him to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► You know eat and sleep. Oh my God. Now he's moving. Oh God Now you heard cell phone every possible thing. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6771">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► You know once you get that down then he's going to start learning how to open doors and go outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► and then I'll get some attitude. Yeah that if you get some attitude then. You know then eventually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► You have a thing down the nope. Delete the diapers. My god like every everything is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► You know it's hard and then you've. Yeah. I've asked a lot of parents. Most of whom are. You know roughly my age. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► You know what what is their secret what if you learn what should I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► And the single most consistent answer I've gotten almost every time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► Is don't get you stand anything because the moment you do it all changes. That's good. Yeah. John has front door. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► Do you have a front door yet. They are offering a new one. So you have a front door in like three more months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► Maybe two to three weeks or ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► Hopefully though it will happen between the vacation I'm leaving on now in the vacation I'm leaving on after the some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6835">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► time between that but anyway people have been painting. How is that going that well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► I don't know what I don't I have yet to find someone who does what I think is a good job of painting anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► Like you know they just they just they just want to get to the point where they start slapping on the paint. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► Like I want the surface to be smoothed out before you start slapping on the band to think about how it's going to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► when it's finished painting it's like Miller good my father. What we learned when we've only done both renovations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► You know to actually to can paint her and she looked like she her parents can paint like the whole room. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► No time at all. It turns out professional painters. Are really no better than good. You know home top painters just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► You don't have to do it. That's the big thing. Like you're not paying them to do a better job than you could do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6890">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► You're paying them. So that you don't have to do it. That's it. Oh I see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6895">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► I continue to believe there must be contractors out there like the ones on ice and T.V. That do do a good job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► And especially with things like surface prep sometimes you can't do what they do because you don't have the tools to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► the pens of the server like if you're painting a room like big walls or big and flat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► but if you're painting like the trim around a window where you just pulled all storm windows from the cities there wreck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► you have to spend a lot of time and service from pulling off old caked on paint. Filling in voids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► Sanding everything down so it's smooth and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► I don't know that I could do a better job of that fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► and it was mostly going to have all the tools all the little like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► Just a plain all random orbit sander with a little tiny Sanders to get into the corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► and all the experience filling things and like just that just takes a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► but like they don't I mean you could buy the tool at Home Depot for like thirty bucks if you need to do it given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► limited time yes I could but I would take the amount of time they took to do all my trim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► I would get one window done better job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► and they do on that one hundred open I would get one of mine that I would I be there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► and others like you know a good enough. You're not compelled to see it was a street paint paint paint. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► Well exactly that's a thing they like you're not paying for them to be doing it for them to do a better job than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► could do. You're paying some to do it so that you don't have to do and they can do it faster. Anyway. Almost on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► I think the front row is going to the worst part though because there's a bunch of carpentry stuff around there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► and it's just like that's been hand waved over and we just have like see our front door looks now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► We want us like that but with a new door. And I go Yeah sure no problem like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► I keep asking is what party going to move or do you need to put back Obama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► but they look as well not exactly like what I mean but that's going to be bad. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► If there was ever a time that any human being should periscope anything. It's the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:38 ◼ ► Conversations that you have with your contractors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/6998">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► Because they've got to be just they're very one sided involve a lot of nodding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► and smiling from the other end of the conversation and then me going. Yeah just. They HATE YOU SO MUCH don't think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► I don't know I don't know if they mean I just I do you tip them. No place for certificate on tractors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7011">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► So I thought the amount I'm paying these people know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► I we didn't have any of our contractors are we likely to keep only by bagels and suffer the guys that were working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► but like. We wouldn't I mean. Yeah you're paying a lot for those like. I don't think is a tipping thing yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► Seriously. Tremendous amount of money. They can take their tip of the tremendous amount of money and pay. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► I don't like. You don't you don't tip like when you buy a car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► I don't think that's really an apples to apples comparison. But that's about the same out of money. I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► I have full I fully confess that I have no idea when it's appropriate to tip but I also hate tipping as a concept. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► And so I am. I'm probably a bad person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► I've been to places where I'm supposed to tip I do but I really have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► when I'm solicited other than like eating at restaurants that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:42 ◼ ► And staying at hotels and I use both a good there would only be like Google that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7062">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► What I never tip in a hotel ever ask you think that that's what the how much is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► when I googled for there were like a couple bucks a day. And that's what I've been sticking to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► and then the problem is the need like you need small bills that lets you know the little envelopes on the desk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► It's That's that's for housekeeping tips like the most hotel rooms is like there's a small envelope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► What's that says some kind of passive aggressive thing on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► And that is that is for you to put the housekeeping to things if you sleeve cash around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► Then they might assume that your cash. You can leave it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► You can you want to leave it in and even if you don't you download you just want to leave with a note. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► The you know for housekeeping or thank you or something in a way that they know that you didn't X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► and I leave it because housekeeping people don't want to take random cash lying around with ANY like a housekeeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► stole from a bike when you're checking out takes a lot of cash. Couple bucks a day or whatever. Put it so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► Where with a note that makes it clear this is for housekeeping money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► You know I don't think I've ever done that my entire life yeah it's a big pain as you either have to have like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► Let's hear doing a few bucks a day or five bucks a there's a whole bunch of fives. When you get there or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► You have to like to play a twenty at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► but then like that could be a different person than who work the last few days the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► I just do it all the end I don't do it every day. Because I just too much of a hassle like that in my googling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► What I've discovered is like that if you do it all in one day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7136">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► It evens out in the end for the people who work there like you're right it might not be the same person or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► but it's not as if one person has a line on one everybody's checking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► and gets all the money I could even doubt across the whole staff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► That's good because it usually obviously put a twenty on there than the last day and then the called Call day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► but this is lunacy to me I've never heard this for say the tipping is crazy I hated the passion I think we just they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► just raise the prices for everything and pay people living wages and so on and so do you tip barbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► Yes I do you know. The I do too and. So it was a dilemma so my barber you know usually. I only have twenty's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► Because that's what I am the give out and. Whenever I have a small bill that hits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► When it went into my pockets at night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:40 ◼ ► They collect somewhere on my desk and I forgot to put them back in the next morning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7180">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► You should really only have fifty zero and I feel like Marco with your empty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► You should be a type of person who only has a fifty is like a grandpa. So at the barber. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:53 ◼ ► The barber I'm going to for years of these four county guys they're amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7193">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► These to turn sixteen dollars for a haircut so I give them twenty. They keep the extra for perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► The neighbor has the price of seventeen dollars. Now I don't want to just give him twenty again because now it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► I just you know. You haven't twenty one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► Right right so now I have to remember to bring a single now every time so I give you a change of you given to twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► the give you change. I'm not that stocks that such a half a market. Three dollars on seventeen that's fission tip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► But but it's like. It's like there. It's like they took they took a pay cut. Well it's not your fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► Kind of dog is it doesn't want to have a single of them like just given to do anything given change it's find I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► know I guess I just bring a single one of our member to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► That's it so much like I don't want to give them less a less tip than before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► Why did you give give them a twenty dollar bill and one silver dollar like a grandma. That would grip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► Do those still exist be still get those I want to got I'm still in circulation somewhere. Give a two dollar bill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► I lost the titles. Floppy care and lack of stick. It's amazing when they're better when I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► Remember seeing a better once over blue ring stud that was my other favorite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► That is really good actually it's probably better than floppy hair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► Even though that is not really related to anything I think it's a good title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► And I just want people to listen they have waiting for black holes bullring start it all away at the end that it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► like nothing to do with like read it or the mac app star. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► I think it's be a thing the case you know how to stand up guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQu7OKM/7279">TS</a>]