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0:00:07Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 505. It's a big one this week. My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.
0:00:19Excuse me?
0:00:22We haven't gotten to follow up yet, so currently you are just Mike Hurley.
0:00:25No, last week we instituted that I would be the full names and then later we might come up with a new name.
0:00:33Mike Hurley holds the keynote chairmanship and the annual chairmanship in our game of sieges that we play.
0:00:41Hello.
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0:00:49Yeah, you really bungled this one and I would like to introduce Federico Vittucci. Hi Federico.
0:00:56Hello Mike, hello guys. A couple of things that I need to say up front. The first one, Mike, I am shocked that you did not make a "I'm going back to 505" reference when Stephen mentioned the episode number.
0:01:11Yep.
0:01:12I thought you would.
0:01:13I apologize.
0:01:14I was slightly disappointed.
0:01:16And then I wanted to ask you both, tell me something that people don't know about you and I will go first. For example, this is sort of the energy that I'm bringing in today.
0:01:25We've been doing this podcast together for 10 years and there must be things that people don't know or that I don't know or that you don't know about each other or that we don't know about each other that people maybe don't know.
0:01:35Also, for example, I have never been on a roller coaster in my life. Never.
0:01:41I'll change that for you.
0:01:42Never. I'm too scared.
0:01:44Yeah, I don't like it either.
0:01:45This is like one of these things where I feel like I've put so much of my life into the world that I have no idea what people don't know anymore. I need to really think about this. Stephen, do you have anything?
0:02:03You interrupted my exact same train of thought. I was like, "What haven't I told the internet in 16 years of doing this?"
0:02:12Think about it. Think about it. We can come back to this later during the show.
0:02:17Okay, maybe something will come to mind later on.
0:02:19Okay. I will think of something. I just don't know what it is yet.
0:02:22Okay. So that was my couple of things.
0:02:26I like it.
0:02:27Let's do some follow-up. We talked about this just a second ago, but we have decided that if someone is both the winner of our annual predictions game and our keynote predictions game, they should be introduced as such at the top of the show.
0:02:42And we had two suggestions come in. Listener Brendan suggested Grand Chairman, which that feels pretty good. It feels important and set apart. But a Nameless Listener, Anonymous Feedback, I think is the winner.
0:03:01So Anonymous wrote, "If you put two chairs next to each other, it becomes a bench."
0:03:06So if someone is annual and keynote chairman, then he is the Ricky Benchman. That is fantastic.
0:03:15It's Benchman, man. It's Ricky Benchman.
0:03:18Ricky Benchman.
0:03:19And also not like Benchman. It's like Ricky Benchman.
0:03:22It's like, "Richard is my father. I'm Ricky Benchman."
0:03:26Ricky Benchman. Ricky Benchman.
0:03:28When two chairs love each other very much. So I do believe that we need to update the rules to include this.
0:03:40So my suggestion will be at the end of the rules for the Rickys.
0:03:47If a host is the...
0:03:52Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on a second. This doesn't feel like regulation.
0:03:56I'm suggesting...
0:03:58Rule amendments occur when the rules are read.
0:04:01Okay, so we've got to come back to it in just a second? Okay.
0:04:04Yeah. You put it in follow-up. I didn't object to it then, although I thought it was unregulated.
0:04:10But now amending the rules before the rules are read? I'm sorry, that's not helping for the time.
0:04:14Okay, add Ricky Benchman to rules. I'm putting it further down in the document.
0:04:18Okay, we'll come back to that.
0:04:19We'll read the rules and then we'll amend the rules.
0:04:22I'm sorry. Please forgive my grave error.
0:04:25See, this is just like as to be known as Ricky Benchman, which is as I am right now.
0:04:32I am obviously the most understanding of the game, hence why I have such a stranglehold on the game.
0:04:37Stranglehold? What are you saying?
0:04:41I have a stranglehold on the Rickys. I am strangling Ricky, is what I'm saying.
0:04:46And that means that I know most of the... Richard! Richard!
0:04:50I've never told anyone I've strangled Richard. No, that's not my...
0:04:56We have a friend named Ricky who we work with. That's very upsetting.
0:04:59But I never said that. I never said Ricky. I said Richard.
0:05:02Richard!
0:05:03You know, Richard?
0:05:04Jeff wrote in, "How can you tell if someone is recording you with their creepy metaglasses?"
0:05:10They're not creepy.
0:05:12I did add creepy to the quote.
0:05:14Why?
0:05:15Just for effect.
0:05:17Is that your opinion?
0:05:19No.
0:05:20Yeah. Yeah.
0:05:21Well, tell me how I can see if you're recording me, then I'll be the judge.
0:05:24There's a light.
0:05:26Okay.
0:05:27It's like on the temple? On the side?
0:05:29So, the glasses have circles on each side. Similar to the Snapchat ones, really.
0:05:36But you know how you could imagine that there were screws in the glasses?
0:05:40Ray-Bans usually have something anyway on the temple area, but facing forward.
0:05:45One of them is a camera and there is one mirroring it visually and that is a light.
0:05:50And the light comes on when you take a photo and it also makes a noise.
0:05:53It does.
0:05:54Like a capture sound, which I don't think you can amend.
0:05:57Nope.
0:05:58And similarly, if you're videoing, the light is on the whole time.
0:06:03Yeah.
0:06:04Wasn't there a story years ago, and I don't even know if that's still the case.
0:06:10Do you guys remember, was it true that iPhones in Japan would always make a sound when you take a picture?
0:06:16Yes.
0:06:17That is true, yeah.
0:06:18Is that still the case? Do we know?
0:06:20I think so. I think it's a lore in Japan. I don't think it was something that Apple just did.
0:06:24Maybe someone in the Discord can tell us.
0:06:26Yeah. You cannot turn off the sound when you take a picture with the metal glasses.
0:06:31And yeah, there's a light. Which, I mean, it's not like you're dousing somebody in a huge spotlight when you're making a video.
0:06:41And honestly, you might not even notice, but there is a light.
0:06:44But there is. There is. And, you know, there is a tiny light. Yeah.
0:06:49I'm really trying to think of the thing. This might be something for you.
0:06:55Okay.
0:06:56Okay.
0:06:57I've broken one bone in my body.
0:07:01Huh.
0:07:02And it was, so if you look at your thumb, there's a bone just below your thumb, which attaches your thumb to your hand, basically.
0:07:11I don't remember the name of this bone.
0:07:13Thumb bone.
0:07:15Thumb bone.
0:07:16Thumb bone, yeah.
0:07:17The reason I did this, I was 17.
0:07:20Okay.
0:07:21And a friend of mine said that if he was to flex his posterior,
0:07:26that it would be hard like metal.
0:07:30And he requested that I test this by punching him.
0:07:35Okay.
0:07:36So I punched him in the posterior and broke a bone in my thumb.
0:07:38So he was right.
0:07:40So he was right.
0:07:41So he was right.
0:07:42Buns of steel.
0:07:43He was right.
0:07:44Wow.
0:07:45And that's a 17-year-old boy.
0:07:47That's what 17-year-old boys do, right? They do things like that.
0:07:50I'm not sure if you're-
0:07:51They punch each other.
0:07:52Not sure if your friend really had a posterior made of metal,
0:07:57or you had really fragile bones at 17.
0:08:00I honestly think it's a combination of both.
0:08:03However, to be fair, considering I've only broken one bone,
0:08:07can't be that fragile.
0:08:08Did you break your back?
0:08:10I fractured-
0:08:12That's a break.
0:08:13A vertebrae in-
0:08:14Okay.
0:08:15Yeah, okay.
0:08:16That's two. I forgot about that.
0:08:17I've broken two bones in my body.
0:08:20One of them was my thumb, the other was my back,
0:08:23which is quite a significant increase.
0:08:25I forgot about the back.
0:08:26Which is ironic, right?
0:08:27Since you punched the guy in the back.
0:08:29Yeah.
0:08:30Well, I punched him in the butt, and then I also landed on my butt,
0:08:33which broke my back.
0:08:35So all of my bone breaking is butt related.
0:08:38Right, right, right.
0:08:40Which is a, you know, it's a pretty lovely story.
0:08:43Thank you for-
0:08:44I didn't know this about you.
0:08:46And thank you for sharing that, Mike.
0:08:48So you got two facts for me, though.
0:08:49I got mine as well.
0:08:51Okay.
0:08:52I have also, well, not also, because Mike lied.
0:08:55I've only broken one bone in my body.
0:08:58I broke the-
0:08:59Your neck.
0:09:00No.
0:09:01I broke the littlest bone at the end of my little toe.
0:09:07Okay.
0:09:08In like high school.
0:09:09How?
0:09:10Something heavy fell on it and broke it.
0:09:11What?
0:09:12I think it was a book, or like a box of books.
0:09:14I was hoping somebody move.
0:09:16Okay.
0:09:17And-
0:09:18So were you wearing shoes?
0:09:20I was, yeah.
0:09:21Wow.
0:09:22They're real heavy.
0:09:23There must have been some books.
0:09:24But you have like a bunch of metal in your foot.
0:09:27There's no breaks.
0:09:28I used to.
0:09:29They got taken out.
0:09:30No, but you, well, okay, but nothing broke.
0:09:32That meant you needed to,
0:09:33and why did they have to put-
0:09:34There was a, that was like a stress fracture.
0:09:37So again, I guess-
0:09:38Fracture!
0:09:39I have a fracture.
0:09:40You said-
0:09:41But I think a stress fracture is different.
0:09:42My fracture was a break.
0:09:43Okay.
0:09:44No, fracture.
0:09:45So the first bone I broke in my body was-
0:09:46There you go.
0:09:47I broke the tiniest foot bone,
0:09:48and then I broke another foot bone,
0:09:50and the other foot.
0:09:51So I'm over two on feet.
0:09:52So you're all feet related, and I'm all butt related.
0:09:55We all have our special things.
0:09:56Right, right, right.
0:09:58Some people are into both.
0:09:59Cool.
0:10:00Thank you for sharing this.
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0:10:21That's good.
0:10:22That's a good one.
0:10:23Yeah.
0:10:24That's a good one.
0:10:25A little housekeeping before we get into the game this week.
0:10:30Mike, do you want to give people an update on our London show?
0:10:33Yeah, it's coming soon.
0:10:35So we're vented into June.
0:10:37The final six weeks or whatever have begun.
0:10:4127th of July at 7 p.m.
0:10:43Relay FM's 10th anniversary extravaganza will be taking place at the historic Hackney Empire in London, England.
0:10:51We have some tickets still available in the very top area of the theater.
0:10:57It's called the gallery area.
0:10:59These are unreserved seats, but they are seats.
0:11:02So if you want to come and see us, all three of us and a bunch of other Relay FM hosts put on an evening of fun for you.
0:11:10Come on down to relay.fm/london where you can buy your tickets.
0:11:15We can't wait to see you all there.
0:11:18I would also say if you were in the Discord for Relay members, which you should be,
0:11:22there are a few people who had last minute changes so there are some other tickets floating around.
0:11:27But we would love to see you.
0:11:30Even if you can't come to London though, we do have some really cool merch to celebrate our 10th anniversary.
0:11:36We've got a challenge coin and some t-shirts.
0:11:40Those are over on our Cotton Bureau store. There's a link in the show notes.
0:11:43I got mine in. I wore my London shirt yesterday and I've been very happy with it.
0:11:47I'm wearing my 10 shirt today.
0:11:49It's good. I ordered shirts for all my family because my family is coming to London too.
0:11:53Yep, so they've got to wear it otherwise they won't be let in.
0:11:56That's right. That's right.
0:11:58I mentioned the Relay member Discord.
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0:15:07The Rickies is a game connected hosts play before Apple keynotes and the beginning of a new year trying to predict future events.
0:15:14It's made up of three rounds. Each host makes two regular picks, followed by a risky pick.
0:15:20There are two types of Rickies, annual Rickies and keynote Rickies.
0:15:24The winner of the annual Rickies is named the annual chairman. This position is awarded every January.
0:15:30The keynote Rickies winner is named the keynote chairman, and this position is held until the next keynote.
0:15:36After the Rickies, the host then play a game called the flexies. These two games are separate, but related.
0:15:44Please stand for the reading of the rules.
0:15:47Correct regular picks are awarded one point. The language used for regular picks must be finalized and agreed upon during recording, and no partial points may be awarded.
0:16:04Correct risky picks are worth two points, but wrong ones will cause a point to be deducted from that host total.
0:16:10Picks must have been approved as risky by the other two hosts before the start of the game.
0:16:15Picks made for keynote Rickies cannot be reused by the host who made them for the next keynote.
0:16:21The annual Rickies have their own subset of rules, but we're not playing that game today, so it doesn't matter.
0:16:27All hosts are allowed to reuse picks previously made by others.
0:16:31Scoring is completed during recording and cannot be modified once an episode is complete.
0:16:36In the event of a tie, dice by pcalc must be used in relay FM mode to pick a winner.
0:16:42In the case of a three-way tie, hosts all make their calls at the same time, with flipping continuing until a winner is named.
0:16:51Jason Snell has a lifetime ban on flipping any coins in relation to the Rickies.
0:16:56Coin flips by Jason on other podcasts are allowed but are frowned upon and subject to public shaming.
0:17:04For the keynote Rickies, the scoring window starts when the livestream begins and closes when the picks are scored.
0:17:11Any information used in scoring must be publicly verifiable at the time of recording.
0:17:16The order of picks is set by previous performance.
0:17:19The winner of the previous associated game goes first, the previous loser goes last.
0:17:24Winners will be recognized during the closing ceremonies.
0:17:27As a reminder, Mike is the current annual chairman and the current keynote chairman.
0:17:33Past results can be seen at Rickies.co and Rickies.net.
0:17:37These sites also have pages about managing your own scorekeeping at home.
0:17:41You may be seated.
0:17:43I have two, just two things to bring up before we maybe add the rules because I just think it's interesting.
0:17:52One of the rules that struck me this time is that the points cannot be modified after the episode has been recorded.
0:17:58Was that a problem once? Did someone try to change the points?
0:18:03That may be a question for our historian, Kate.
0:18:07Right. I remember there was a time when Federico was getting like, he got like some secret information,
0:18:13but I think we ended up creating a rule for that and I think it happened before the episode.
0:18:18It's just like that, it stuck out to me as an interesting point of like, why would that, why would that happen?
0:18:24Like, but you know.
0:18:26I don't know.
0:18:27Second was on Upgrade Plus this week, we had a, we had a new game called the California Bear Trophy,
0:18:35where we try to guess the macOS name.
0:18:37Yes. We're going to talk about that later.
0:18:40Yeah. We had to decide who could go first and just not thinking, I said to Jason, do you want to flip a coin?
0:18:46And he said, no, I cannot do that. So, and I thought that, so even Jason frowns upon himself.
0:18:51Right.
0:18:52Yes. We have, we have beaten it into him that he's bad at it.
0:18:56Yep.
0:18:57I also have two things. One is an order thing and then we have to work out the benchmen rules.
0:19:03I think we're all decided.
0:19:06Well, this is where it goes in the document, how we say it.
0:19:08Okay. Yeah.
0:19:09I think the, the paragraph for keynote rookies, the scoring window starts, I think that should be moved up.
0:19:15So it happens. So it is right after the annual rookies have their subset of rules.
0:19:20So like the subset of rules are together in the document.
0:19:23That's really just a, I read them and make sense to me.
0:19:26Yeah, I have no feeling about that, but obviously it makes sense to you.
0:19:30So I think you should, you should just do that.
0:19:32I have no concern about that.
0:19:34Perico, do you, do you lobby a concern with Stevens reordering?
0:19:39No, I don't have any concern.
0:19:41Okay.
0:19:42And then we have the, uh, the issue of benchmen and where we want to put that.
0:19:51Yep. Um, I feel like at the right at the beginning, right.
0:19:56And the preamble.
0:19:57When you say it. Yeah.
0:19:58Like the winner of the annual Rick is named the annual chairman and then like straight after that would be like in the event that somebody holds both titles, they shall be referred to as Ricky benchman.
0:20:10I also think we need to add in here.
0:20:12Um, we don't have any, any language anymore for what you get, right?
0:20:18Like that was actually something that we removed.
0:20:20Elon took it away to us.
0:20:22So I think we need to re add in, um, the winners of each respective chairmanship will be announced as such in the introduction of every episode.
0:20:34Wait, I don't.
0:20:37So you want to have every single episode we do.
0:20:40So say they say that, that you lose this and Federico wins hypothetically.
0:20:45Yep.
0:20:46That means every time we introduce Federico for the next however many months, we have to introduce him as the keynote chairman and then you as the annual chairman.
0:20:54And then if you get both, then you're again, the Ricky benchman.
0:20:58Yeah.
0:20:59I think that that is, that is a, that is a thing that you have earned and it must be remembered.
0:21:05And the idea of me saying, and welcome to the show, the annual chairman Federico Vittucci, which is the thing that will never happen.
0:21:13But if it was to happen, I think that would be nice for Federico.
0:21:17It is going to happen.
0:21:18So, so it's so far, you are the closest to the annual.
0:21:23But yes, I think, I think that that, I think that that's really, I think that's good.
0:21:27I think that's something to you on that.
0:21:30I mean, look, otherwise, why do we, why do we even do the intro?
0:21:34You know what I mean?
0:21:35Like who doesn't know who we are?
0:21:37That's true.
0:21:38Listen to the show at this point.
0:21:39That's true.
0:21:40I think there's some feedback that we'll get to at some point of like, please explain why you play all these games.
0:21:44It's like, yeah, that's a friend.
0:21:45I saw that.
0:21:46I saw that someone, there's a new listener and it's like, I enjoy this stuff, but I don't understand it.
0:21:50And like, same problem on the show.
0:21:52Yeah.
0:21:53I don't know if I could, if I could tell you either.
0:21:55We need to maybe think about that, but I think that would be a fun thing to do.
0:21:58What kind of question is that?
0:21:59Like that would be like when you just meet somebody and you were like, Hey, can you please explain your life?
0:22:03Like what, what, what, what question is that?
0:22:05I actually think I can boil this down very quickly.
0:22:07So we used to, you know, every podcast about Apple stuff, we'll talk about what's going to happen at a certain event the week before it's going to occur.
0:22:17Right?
0:22:18Yeah.
0:22:19So we started doing predictions and the, what we found to be more fun was to turn the predictions into a game.
0:22:26And then over like nine years or maybe, maybe like six years, the game just got more and more complicated.
0:22:34Like that's essentially all this is.
0:22:35It's just, it would be, I think boring to just do a standard let's predict what's going to happen.
0:22:42And so I think it's more fun to make it a game, even if the things as is usual that we pick, like at least 30% of them don't happen.
0:22:51I think there's still more fun than if we just sat and said to you, like, Oh, we think there's going to be a, like, you know, you know, you know, because we talk about it in all the weeks leading up to it.
0:22:59We don't need to talk about it again.
0:23:00Yeah.
0:23:01Those episodes are really boring.
0:23:02So, but like my point is if we, if we,
0:23:04you know, like for the last two months, we've been talking about what we think is going to be a WWDC.
0:23:09You've already heard us talk about it.
0:23:10If now today we're like just recapping that, you know, it's just like, it's more fun for it to be a game.
0:23:15No, totally agree.
0:23:16Okay.
0:23:17So the preamble, I added two lines.
0:23:19So I talk about the two types of rookies, annual and keynote.
0:23:23And then I read host should be introduced at the top of each episode, according to their current titles.
0:23:28Beautiful.
0:23:29In the event that our host holds both positions, they shall be introduced as the Ricky Benchman.
0:23:35Love it.
0:23:36Yeah.
0:23:37Perfect.
0:23:38Perfect.
0:23:39Yep.
0:23:40Okay.
0:23:41Would you like to add in another rule just for fun?
0:23:43Something that I just thought of.
0:23:44Well, we can talk about it.
0:23:45Any rule, any rule addition must be agreed unanimously.
0:23:49Or do we not need to do that?
0:23:51I think we could, I think we're doing okay without that being written.
0:23:54Yeah, I think so too.
0:23:55I just like to add more rules.
0:23:56No, I know.
0:23:57And the document is shorter than it used to be and you want to, you know.
0:24:00Well, lengthen it back up again so then we can shorten it again, you know?
0:24:04Okay.
0:24:06So that's all the bill stuff.
0:24:08I think we're done with that.
0:24:09Okay.
0:24:10So we should now move into round one.
0:24:14Mike, you're up first.
0:24:16My first round pick is more flexibility for app icon placement on the iPhone home screen.
0:24:24Yeah.
0:24:26Yeah.
0:24:27Yeah.
0:24:28I mean, it's about time, right?
0:24:30Yeah.
0:24:31They got to do it.
0:24:32They got to do it.
0:24:33I had a thought about this the other day when I was talking to Jason and I want to see what
0:24:37you guys think about this.
0:24:38Like if they say like, oh, you can put them wherever you want and you don't need to be
0:24:41on the grid anymore.
0:24:42Do you actually have space on your home screens?
0:24:45No, I don't.
0:24:46My home screens are full.
0:24:47So like even if there's like, oh, you don't have to do that.
0:24:50I was like, well, I don't know what to, I'm used to it now.
0:24:54So I don't really, I don't really know if I will benefit from this.
0:24:58Yeah.
0:24:59I don't think I'm going to do it, but I think a lot of people would just because of the
0:25:02aesthetic home screen thing.
0:25:04Like, you know, because we are more functional and utilitarian than aesthetic, I think, with
0:25:11our devices.
0:25:12But, you know, the youth will do it.
0:25:15So.
0:25:16Do you think it will still be to a grid?
0:25:18I think so.
0:25:19Probably, right?
0:25:20Yeah.
0:25:21I don't see the.
0:25:22You can just put it wherever you want.
0:25:23Yeah.
0:25:24Yeah.
0:25:25You can do that in Finder, like on the desktop.
0:25:27And we see what people do with that.
0:25:28And, you know, snap to grid should be always you maintained.
0:25:32I don't think it'll be fully freeform like that.
0:25:35I think it'll be snap to grid.
0:25:36The one thing I do sort of have in the back of my mind about this, because this is a move
0:25:41towards like most Android launchers, you know, this has been a thing on Android forever.
0:25:46But another thing you have on a lot of Android launchers is customizable widget sizes.
0:25:52And those are fixed on iOS, right?
0:25:55Small, medium, large, and then extra large on the iPad.
0:25:59And I wonder if we could see as part of this, hey, I want this widget to be medium width,
0:26:05but one row taller or something like that.
0:26:07I just I don't know.
0:26:08So who knows?
0:26:09Well, I think for your other job, you wouldn't want that specifically.
0:26:13Well, that's an underscore problem.
0:26:15That's his side of the business.
0:26:17Federico, were you going to say what you and John spoke about on App Stories?
0:26:21I don't know if that's what you're thinking.
0:26:24I was just going to say that at the very least they should copy what they do on Mac OS,
0:26:28which is on the Mac when you put a widget on your desktop and you put a small one,
0:26:33and then you realize, oh, no, it needs to be a medium one.
0:26:35You can just change it from right there.
0:26:38You don't have to delete it and re-add it every single time.
0:26:42So at the very least they should do that.
0:26:44Like let me change the widget size without having to re-add the widget,
0:26:48just like you can do on Mac OS.
0:26:50Because I think John recommended, which is what I want, which is a 1x2.
0:26:54Yes, also that.
0:26:55Widget size, like more sizes would be good.
0:26:58Or like a 1x4.
0:27:00Like different types of widgets would be served better by not being so large.
0:27:07Like you might want the width but not the height or vice versa or something like that.
0:27:12More widget sizes would be cool.
0:27:15Because a 1x2 is essentially just a little bit bigger of an app icon,
0:27:20which sometimes is maybe all you need for certain types of apps,
0:27:24like that maybe don't have widgets because they don't need a 2x2
0:27:31to show what they need to show, you know what I mean?
0:27:33But a 1x2 might do a perfect job for them or something, you know what I mean?
0:27:38Yeah.
0:27:39Yeah, aka Lil' Widgey, you know?
0:27:42Lil' Widgey.
0:27:43We want to bring the Lil' Widgey.
0:27:44But yeah, I don't feel like I have a good sense for exactly what this is going to look like,
0:27:50but I feel confident that the way in which we are arranging apps and widgets on our phones right now
0:27:58is going to be different in the next version of iOS.
0:28:01And honestly, I think maybe the main non-AI feature of iOS 18.
0:28:08Wow.
0:28:09The thing that I really want is this to come to the iPad,
0:28:13and history says it will be another year before that happens.
0:28:16Luckily, you'll get to think about what you might do on your iPad for a 12-month period,
0:28:20and then you can exact on that plan.
0:28:22Yeah.
0:28:23I think this is good.
0:28:25I like this pick.
0:28:26I think it will turn green sometime next week.
0:28:29No.
0:28:30All right, my round one pick is
0:28:34there are some design and navigation updates to the Settings app across multiple platforms.
0:28:41So the idea being that Settings has gotten too confused everywhere.
0:28:45It's kind of hard.
0:28:48There are so many settings now on every Apple device,
0:28:51and the Settings app, especially search, doesn't really work well on iOS.
0:28:57And on iOS, there are some settings that are really buried within pages and pages of settings.
0:29:04And of course, System Settings on the Mac was relaunched two years ago at this point,
0:29:12and it was basically never touched again.
0:29:14It's atrociously bad.
0:29:15It's so bad, System Settings on the Mac is so bad.
0:29:19You can't even resize the window.
0:29:21What is happening?
0:29:22Same on the iPad if you use Stage Manager.
0:29:25That's true.
0:29:26It's an old-school fixed window size.
0:29:29I just feel...
0:29:31Let me just reset.
0:29:32You can make it taller, not wider, which is a very intriguing decision that they made.
0:29:40Excellent decision.
0:29:41Yeah, I just feel like, and this has been rumored over the past few days,
0:29:45that there's an opportunity for Apple to maybe clean up Settings a little bit,
0:29:49make it easier to use.
0:29:51Maybe some things should become apps instead of settings, like, I don't know, passwords, for example.
0:29:58Why is that a setting? Like, you literally have a whole product in a Settings page.
0:30:03It doesn't make any sense.
0:30:04Honestly, screen time and focus.
0:30:06Like, they don't need to be in Settings.
0:30:08Everything is a setting, and if everything needs to be a setting,
0:30:13then it has to be easier to navigate and easier to find stuff.
0:30:19And in either case, I feel like there's an opportunity for Apple to make Settings easier everywhere,
0:30:25especially iOS, iPadOS, and macOS.
0:30:28I don't think I have any particular feelings about Settings on TVOS or watchOS,
0:30:33or VisionOS for that matter, but that's mostly an iPad version.
0:30:37But yeah, I think we're going to see some changes in terms of the design
0:30:42and how items can be navigated into Settings.
0:30:47Yeah.
0:30:48I mean, the iPhone Settings app is basically the same as it's been since 2007, right?
0:30:55Yeah.
0:30:56They've just made it longer.
0:30:58Way longer.
0:30:59It's only done over time.
0:31:00My favorite Settings app is the Vision Pro, because it's all different but looks the same.
0:31:08I love it.
0:31:09It's like, you think you know where everything is, and it's all there,
0:31:13but it's just not where you think it is.
0:31:15It's not where you think!
0:31:17Hey! Yes!
0:31:19Good!
0:31:21I love it.
0:31:23Fantastic.
0:31:24That made me so happy.
0:31:26I think one of the things they will probably do just to make the app more manageable
0:31:31is what they did on Vision Pro, where there's just a submenu called Apps,
0:31:34and then all the apps go in there.
0:31:36That's to account.
0:31:38That's to account if they do that.
0:31:40I'm not saying it doesn't.
0:31:41I'm just saying it's a sad thing to think that that might just be one of the things they do,
0:31:45but I think that will be one of the things that they do.
0:31:47I would expect that every time you open the Settings app, that is actually quite resource-intensive,
0:31:54as it's going out and populating.
0:31:57You can get ahead of it sometimes, right?
0:32:00Where you start scrolling, and I think it would maybe be beneficial to put those,
0:32:05I reckon, less-used settings inside of a submenu that only opens when you need it.
0:32:10Can you imagine a case of be careful what you wish for?
0:32:14We redesigned the Settings app, and we did it with SwiftUI, and it's as buggy as shortcuts.
0:32:21It's SwiftUI on the Mac.
0:32:23Yeah, that's the thing.
0:32:24We decided to bring the great experience you've been having on the Mac OS to the iPhone.
0:32:29Excellent. Excellent.
0:32:31So, yeah, we'll see.
0:32:34Steven.
0:32:35It's me.
0:32:36It's you. It's a you, Steven.
0:32:38It's a you.
0:32:39It's a me.
0:32:40There is no new hardware announced.
0:32:43Okay, so, I mean, pretty self-explanatory, but just let me ask you.
0:32:49Sure.
0:32:50No new hardware announced.
0:32:53Announced is the verb you chose.
0:32:56Yes.
0:32:57What happens if, after the keynote, you open apple.com, and there's a USB-C Magic Keyboard?
0:33:05Hmm. I see what you're saying.
0:33:08My intention is there's no new hardware from Apple next week at all.
0:33:13So I'm willing to make announced more broad, because I think there's no new hardware.
0:33:17Cool. Okay.
0:33:18So I can say announced or released. Would that cover both?
0:33:22Yeah.
0:33:23I want to be kind to you here. I just want to get this out on the record, because people are writing.
0:33:28If they announce Vision Pro in other countries, that does not count.
0:33:31That does not count.
0:33:32That's not.
0:33:33I just want to get that out there.
0:33:34Now, if those Vision Pros have an M3 in it, then yeah, I lose.
0:33:38Can you imagine that?
0:33:39I mean, on a technicality, it could. It may not count, because what if the Vision Pros in Europe have a different Wi-Fi chip for different Wi-Fi bands inside?
0:33:52I think that would still be fine.
0:33:53But it's fine, Steven. We won't hold it against you.
0:33:58Yeah, I think this is a software only keynote, which would be, I mean, in the last many, many years, they've done hardware since like, I think since 2017, there's been hardware every year.
0:34:10Don't quote me, but I think that's true.
0:34:12Doing some mental math, but I think it's all software this time.
0:34:15And they just had an iPad event.
0:34:17They just did the, you know, the M3 MacBook Air a couple months ago.
0:34:21Like, I feel like everything's kind of okay for now.
0:34:24And we'll see more hardware in the fall.
0:34:27Okay.
0:34:28Mike in the Discord has said the Vision Pro is announced in Europe, and it's not what you think.
0:34:34It's different.
0:34:36It's different.
0:34:37So we're just, for clarification's sake, any teases, announcements, or any new hardware, including accessories?
0:34:47Like, this is what we're talking about here.
0:34:50Steven is saying no.
0:34:51If any of those things happen, you don't get your point.
0:34:53That's right. No hardware.
0:34:54No hardware whatsoever. Okay.
0:34:56This is, as we have gotten through this conversation, this is a bolder pick than I initially thought it was.
0:35:02So hats off to you.
0:35:04So at the end of round one, we have Mike predicting more flexibility for app icon placement on the iPhone home screen.
0:35:12I said there are some designed and navigation updates to the settings app across multiple platforms.
0:35:19And Steven said there is no new hardware announced or released.
0:35:24Okay.
0:35:25Round two. Mike, you're up.
0:35:28Notification summaries are provided by a new AI system.
0:35:34Yeah.
0:35:36So I think summaries, just in general, are going to be a pretty big part of what Apple will be providing.
0:35:44I have, like, my hope is, like, you know, sum up the group chat for me, what's in my email, that kind of stuff.
0:35:51But I think one of the key ones will be some kind of catch up, whether you see it on the screen, right?
0:35:58I could imagine that.
0:35:59That maybe if you're in a focus mode, you may be able to enable a notification summary that can summarize stuff for you.
0:36:05Or you ask Siri to say, like, you know, and this honestly, like, I think was one of the intriguing parts of the AI pin,
0:36:11but there's just no way they could have got it to work the way they wanted it to work, which is just to say, catch me up.
0:36:16Yeah.
0:36:17And then, like, you know, I think that's the key.
0:36:21Yeah.
0:36:22And I think that's the key.
0:36:23Yeah.
0:36:24And I think that's the key.
0:36:25Yeah.
0:36:26And I think that's the key.
0:36:27Yeah.
0:36:28And I think that's the key.
0:36:29Yeah.
0:36:30And I think that's the key.
0:36:31Yeah.
0:36:32And I think that's the key.
0:36:33Yeah.
0:36:34And I think that's the key.
0:36:35Yeah.
0:36:36And I think that's the key.
0:36:37Yeah.
0:36:38And I think that's the key.
0:36:39Yeah.
0:36:40And I think that's the key.
0:36:41Yeah.
0:36:42And I think that's the key.
0:36:43Yeah.
0:36:44And I think that's the key.
0:36:45Yeah.
0:36:46And I think that's the key.
0:36:47Yeah.
0:36:48And I think that's the key.
0:36:49Yeah.
0:36:50And I think that's the key.
0:36:51Yeah.
0:36:52And I think that's the key.
0:36:53Yeah.
0:36:54And I think that's the key.
0:36:55Yeah.
0:36:56And I think that's the key.
0:36:57Yeah.
0:36:58And I think that's the key.
0:36:59Yeah.
0:37:00And I think that's the key.
0:37:01Yeah.
0:37:02And I think that's the key.
0:37:03Yeah.
0:37:04And I think that's the key.
0:37:05Yeah.
0:37:06And I think that's the key.
0:37:07Yeah.
0:37:08And I think that's the key.
0:37:09Yeah.
0:37:10And I think that's the key.
0:37:11Yeah.
0:37:12And I think that's the key.
0:37:13Yeah.
0:37:14And I think that's the key.
0:37:15Yeah.
0:37:16And I think that's the key.
0:37:17Yeah.
0:37:18And I think that's the key.
0:37:19Yeah.
0:37:20And I think that's the key.
0:37:21Yeah.
0:37:22And I think that's the key.
0:37:23Yeah.
0:37:24And I think that's the key.
0:37:25Yeah.
0:37:26And I think that's the key.
0:37:27Yeah.
0:37:28And I think that's the key.
0:37:29Yeah.
0:37:30And I think that's the key.
0:37:31Yeah.
0:37:32And I think that's the key.
0:37:33Yeah.
0:37:34And I think that's the key.
0:37:35Yeah.
0:37:36And I think that's the key.
0:37:37Yeah.
0:37:38And I think that's the key.
0:37:39Yeah.
0:37:40And I think that's the key.
0:37:41Yeah.
0:37:42And I think that's the key.
0:37:43Yeah.
0:37:44And I think that's the key.
0:37:45Yeah.
0:37:46And I think that's the key.
0:37:47Yeah.
0:37:48And I think that's the key.
0:37:49Yeah.
0:37:50And I think that's the key.
0:37:51Yeah.
0:37:52And I think that's the key.
0:37:53Yeah.
0:37:54And I think that's the key.
0:37:55Yeah.
0:37:56And I think that's the key.
0:37:57Yeah.
0:37:58And I think that's the key.
0:37:59Yeah.
0:38:00And I think that's the key.
0:38:01Yeah.
0:38:02And I think that's the key.
0:38:03Yeah.
0:38:04And I think that's the key.
0:38:05Yeah.
0:38:06And I think that's the key.
0:38:07Yeah.
0:38:08And I think that's the key.
0:38:09Yeah.
0:38:10And I think that's the key.
0:38:11Yeah.
0:38:12And I think that's the key.
0:38:13Yeah.
0:38:14As a way to tell you notifications are coming.
0:38:15Yeah.
0:38:16You know?
0:38:17Like which you really like and it feels like this is what an LLM can do.
0:38:20It can understand text.
0:38:22Right?
0:38:23Yeah.
0:38:24Yeah.
0:38:25And summarize it.
0:38:26Like they're good at that for, you know, so I hope Apple can do it.
0:38:30All right.
0:38:31My round two pick is there is a new system for changing the colors of icons on the home
0:38:37screen.
0:38:39We spoke about this last week.
0:38:41I think there's going to be a way for you to, I think Apple is going to redesign the long
0:38:46press menu on the home screen when you long press on an icon.
0:38:51And I think like I wouldn't be surprised if there's going to be a couple of things in
0:38:54there.
0:38:56First of all, I think there's going to be a way obviously to control whether you want
0:39:00to have the grid or the freeform placement.
0:39:04But then I think when you long press on an icon, I think what Apple should do is a redesign
0:39:11context menu that shows you either custom icons that the app contains so that you don't
0:39:19have to go into the app if you want to use a custom icon.
0:39:22Or if the app support, and that could be something that is like, that even works for apps that
0:39:28haven't been updated for iOS 18.
0:39:30Like it will be, if the app uses the SDA, you know, all the support for custom icons,
0:39:35maybe that's something that can work out of the box.
0:39:38This new coloring feature, I think it may simply be that if an app supports this new
0:39:43icon theming system, you get a, you get a, like a color picker.
0:39:49When you long press on an icon, there's like a menu and you have your top six or seven
0:39:54colors.
0:39:55And then there's another color, there's a color picker that allows you to fine tune
0:39:59the color that you want the compatible app to use for the icon.
0:40:04And I could imagine a smaller version of the Memoji.
0:40:07Like UI of like, you know, you could, you could have one pane where you could pick from the
0:40:13app icons and then another pane where you could customize the colors.
0:40:16And maybe if they wanted to go another step, like maybe there could be supplied glyphs
0:40:21that you could choose from.
0:40:22So maybe you could, you know, you might want the carrot cloud with a pink background, or
0:40:28maybe you want the carrot logo with an orange background.
0:40:32That could be kind of fun, but I think that might be too, that might be more than they
0:40:36want to do, but that would be great.
0:40:37If there's, if there's a way for Apple to sort of make sure that, that as many people
0:40:43as possible upgrade to iOS 18 and, you know, get on board with their AI stuff is to entice
0:40:50them with customization.
0:40:52Icon customization is a big one.
0:40:54And also like, especially if they're going to do also like AI emoji, like that's two
0:40:59things that people absolutely cannot resist, like custom icons, personalization, and make
0:41:06any emoji that you want.
0:41:08Like that's like, I bet most people are going to be like, yes, give me that right away.
0:41:14So I think, yeah, once again, there is a new system for changing the colors of icons on
0:41:19the home screen.
0:41:20I'm, I'm glad you mentioned alternative icons, because I think that is something Apple has
0:41:25to contend with because a lot of developers use those as an app purchase or part of a
0:41:30subscription.
0:41:32And I don't think they want to have a new system level feature that devalues those purchases
0:41:38for people.
0:41:39And so if an app can still support those and still keep those behind a paywall somewhere,
0:41:46but also do this and they've got to work all that out.
0:41:50And I'm sure that if this is coming, they have, but it's something that I'll be looking
0:41:54for.
0:41:55I hadn't considered that.
0:41:56I mean, I think you're being kind.
0:41:58I think this system kills that as a way for developers to make money.
0:42:01And it may, that may be the answer, but...
0:42:04Because it will become something that will just be expected that I will be able to customize
0:42:09the app icon.
0:42:12And I think for a lot of people, whether right or wrong, they would prefer customization
0:42:17to something that somebody is giving them, right?
0:42:19Like why would I select from these 10 when I can make my perfect one for me?
0:42:25Although I don't believe that myself because I know that good designers can make a better...
0:42:31I've tried to make podcasts artwork, for example, and I can't do it because I don't have that
0:42:37sensibility to me.
0:42:40But I think I do believe that this will become a problem for some developers if that was
0:42:47the thing they were selling before.
0:42:50Question for the group.
0:42:52Will one color background option be transparent?
0:42:55That'd be cool.
0:42:57But I don't know.
0:43:00Same thing with widgets, right?
0:43:03Could widgets be transparent?
0:43:04I don't know.
0:43:05Yeah.
0:43:06I would wonder if widgets would benefit from any of these color changes.
0:43:08I'm expecting probably not this time, but maybe in the future, right?
0:43:12They might create a system where you could more easily aesthetically change your widgets
0:43:17or something with a similar system.
0:43:20You might be able to customize them yourself from the home screen with provided assets
0:43:24from the developer, like a similar kind of idea, but I don't know.
0:43:28That might be too complicated to do.
0:43:30You can tell me, Stephen, it might be too hard to change those kinds of elements on
0:43:32a widget than on an app icon.
0:43:37I think that just depends on the UI that Apple could build for users to navigate.
0:43:44I have that question about this.
0:43:45If this is a system level, like change all my icons to orange, is the user going to have
0:43:50to go around app by app to do that?
0:43:52Or is there going to be a thing in Federico's newly redesigned settings app to set a theme
0:43:57at the system level?
0:43:58I don't know.
0:43:59I think you're going to have to go icon to icon because I really can't imagine that
0:44:05this is going to take work from developers so there will be an opt-in period.
0:44:09And it may always be a rolling one.
0:44:12Maybe.
0:44:13Maybe.
0:44:14Maybe.
0:44:15Somebody wrote into me to remind me, which is good, TVOS and VisionOS app icons are provided
0:44:22in layers to Apple.
0:44:23Yeah.
0:44:24And so they may create a system like this where you're like this layer can be changed
0:44:29or something like that.
0:44:30So it might be that like your next update you must give us your icons this way and tell
0:44:38us what part is adjustable.
0:44:39I don't know.
0:44:41Depends on what the rules are.
0:44:42I don't think they'll do that either.
0:44:43It's going to be interesting.
0:44:44It's one I'm really fascinated to see how Apple presents it, what the rules are, and
0:44:49then how it's adopted.
0:44:50I think this could be really intriguing to watch occur.
0:44:53You know, you'll end up with like everything's aesthetically pleasing.
0:44:56You've got all of your app icons orange except like Notion or something.
0:45:01It's like, nope, can't do it.
0:45:03They won't let you do it.
0:45:04Or like Instagram, absolutely not a chance, right?
0:45:07Because it's their brand.
0:45:08So yeah, interesting.
0:45:09It came up in the Discord, but are you all familiar with the hot dog stand color scheme
0:45:13from Windows 3.1?
0:45:14Yeah.
0:45:15Yeah.
0:45:16Yeah.
0:45:17That's that's going to happen.
0:45:18People are going to do that.
0:45:19It could be your home screen, Federico hot dog stand.
0:45:21Sure.
0:45:22Why not?
0:45:23My round two pick.
0:45:25Apple mentions that it has created its own LLM.
0:45:28Yeah.
0:45:29I mean, seems like a pretty safe bet, right?
0:45:36No, we don't think so.
0:45:41I don't know.
0:45:43Why do I think they've done it?
0:45:46Yeah, I think I think we know they have.
0:45:49I just think it will be it's all about language, right?
0:45:52And I'm intrigued to see what the language is from them.
0:45:57That's all.
0:45:59I believe that this is a thing that they have done.
0:46:02I wonder if they will talk about it in these terms.
0:46:04I mean, I didn't think they'd ever call it AI, but they did.
0:46:07So I've been wrong before.
0:46:09Macbook Air is the world's best AI consumer laptop.
0:46:12It sure is.
0:46:14It sure is.
0:46:15I wonder if it will be in July.
0:46:21When this stuff isn't only available on the web, then what happens to the Macbook Air?
0:46:25That's going to be interesting to see if that language changes.
0:46:28Yeah, I just I mean, this is sort of an addition and beside any conversation about open AI,
0:46:34which I think is coming later in this, I would guess.
0:46:37But I would just imagine that Apple has done this and that even if they don't make a big
0:46:42deal of it or it only powers certain things that they mentioned that they've done this.
0:46:47I think they've got a signal that they have.
0:46:51And it could be a throwaway line, but I think it'll be in there somewhere.
0:46:57And I would just say like, Mike, in the Discord is saying like, are we grading this based
0:47:02on someone saying LLM or large language model?
0:47:07We have made our own large language model, right?
0:47:10Yes, I think so.
0:47:12Okay.
0:47:13That's the terminology.
0:47:14Yeah, I'm just saying like, boy, I've really backed myself into a corner with these two
0:47:18picks.
0:47:19Yeah.
0:47:20Like if they come out and they say like, we have built our own AI system.
0:47:24So what comes to mind is they mentioned, oh, there's now a transformer model under the
0:47:29keyboard.
0:47:31That is LLMS-esque, I suppose.
0:47:34Yeah, but that always felt to me like they were trying their best not to say AI, but
0:47:40to try and wink to the camera that they were doing the same things where now they can't
0:47:45stop saying AI.
0:47:46Yeah, they're looking dead down the camera like Jim Halpert.
0:47:49Yes.
0:47:50And so I wonder if, I just wonder if they won't need to say LLM, but we'll find out
0:47:56on Monday.
0:47:57We'll find out on Monday.
0:47:59Like the only exception I guess is what if Apple doesn't use the term larger language
0:48:05model and they come up with their own fancy way like, oh, we made a huge language model.
0:48:11Like they call it huge language model instead of large language model.
0:48:15XDR language model.
0:48:17Or an intelligence model.
0:48:18I mean, knowing this company, right?
0:48:23Yeah.
0:48:24So but I guess we'll know it when we see it like, you know, oh, it's a language model,
0:48:30but it's got a fancy Apple product name.
0:48:33Yeah.
0:48:34I mean, and it might be that like in the state of the union, they say LLM.
0:48:38Yeah.
0:48:39Yeah.
0:48:40Yeah.
0:48:41Which would count because anything between the keynote and the grading is fair game.
0:48:44Exactly.
0:48:45That's why I brought it up.
0:48:46And we should say, I was going to say at the end of the show, I'll say it then too.
0:48:49We're grading these on Friday next week because of travel and stuff.
0:48:53Plenty of time.
0:48:54Plenty of time.
0:48:55Even the session, even the sessions we can watch.
0:48:56So yeah.
0:48:57Yeah.
0:48:58Which I think is good.
0:48:59I mean when I was telling Mary our schedule for next week, she's like, why are you recording
0:49:03so late?
0:49:04I was like, well, you know, I'm going to California for a couple of days and going to fly back.
0:49:10But also like this game benefits from a few extra days because of the sessions because
0:49:14everything else.
0:49:15So, um, so, uh, Mike, do you want to recap round two for us?
0:49:20Yes.
0:49:21Uh, I picked notification summaries are provided by a new AI system.
0:49:26Federico picked there is a new design.
0:49:28Nope.
0:49:29That doesn't say that at all.
0:49:31The word design is not even here.
0:49:33Federico said there is a new system for changing the colors of icons on the home screen.
0:49:42I was the wrong choice.
0:49:43And Steven said, Apple mentions that it has created its own design.
0:49:48This is why we need the AI summaries to replace mine.
0:49:56Yeah.
0:49:57We should have just asked Siri to do that for us.
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0:51:53It's time for the risky picks gentlemen.
0:51:57We're doing it.
0:51:58We're doing it.
0:51:59Mike hit us with the passion.
0:52:02Vision OS 2 passionate.
0:52:05Ooh, passionate that it even exists.
0:52:08That's my entire pick.
0:52:09Vision OS 2 exists.
0:52:14Vision OS 2 has keyboard pass through when in an environment and it works with any keyboard,
0:52:20not just the ones that Apple makes.
0:52:23Ooh.
0:52:24Okay.
0:52:26So when you're in an environment, you can still see your hands, but you can't see your
0:52:30keyboard, which for people like me means I can't type.
0:52:34So less helpful.
0:52:37So I believe that they should and will add keyboard pass through, but I feel like I,
0:52:42to make this risky, I had to put in there that it will be keyboards that not just from
0:52:47Apple.
0:52:49And the thing is this should be doable.
0:52:52Like a keyboard is a keyboard that you know what they look like, especially like if you're
0:52:56the company that's infusing AI into everything you do, if you can't have a model that can
0:53:01understand what a keyboard looks like, I don't want to know you, you know?
0:53:04And so I want them to be able to do this.
0:53:06I want to be able to use any Bluetooth keyboard that I own to be able to use with my Vision
0:53:12Pro and I want the system to be able to see it.
0:53:15It'd be great.
0:53:19It's kind of silly that it's not there now.
0:53:21I really like this pick and I hope it comes true.
0:53:27It's a feature that Vision OS needs.
0:53:30And yeah.
0:53:33Okay.
0:53:35Let's do mine.
0:53:37So I had this idea a few weeks ago and I saved it and I came back to it as we were preparing
0:53:44this episode.
0:53:46My pick says, my risky pick says, Apple shows a Siri camera, not an official name, feature
0:53:55that lets you point the iPhone at something and use AI to understand what you're looking
0:54:00at.
0:54:01It'll use AI to determine various types of information, such as objects or text, in real
0:54:07time.
0:54:08It may not ship this year.
0:54:12And non-graded, my personal theory is that this is the reason why the next iPhone will
0:54:17have a physical camera button.
0:54:19Because Apple wants you to use their AI camera and they want to have their answer to Google
0:54:23and their AI smartphones.
0:54:25They want to say the iPhone can also be an AI camera.
0:54:29So, that's my pick.
0:54:32So I'd like you to paint me a picture.
0:54:34You're Craig Federighi.
0:54:35I was going to call you Federico Federighi.
0:54:37You're Federico Federighi.
0:54:40And you're doing the keynote.
0:54:42Can you just explain this product?
0:54:45What is this in your mind?
0:54:46I'm intrigued.
0:54:47What do you think people are using this for?
0:54:50What is Apple saying?
0:54:51What is the benefit of this particular thing?
0:54:54Right.
0:54:55So most of these features that I imagine, they are already baked into photos.
0:55:09Text recognition, object recognition, lifting the subject from a photo, recognizing text,
0:55:14translating text, looking up URLs, anything contained in a photo.
0:55:20You can look it up after the fact.
0:55:23The only thing that the camera can do in real time at the moment is recognizing a QR code.
0:55:30What I'm saying is that Apple is going to move from a post-processing type of feature.
0:55:37You take the picture and then you go to the photo and then you recognize stuff in the
0:55:43photo to using AI to doing all of this in real time from the camera.
0:55:49So imagine just pointing like your iPhone basically becoming like your supervision.
0:55:55You're pointing the camera at something, whether you're a tourist and you're pointing the camera
0:56:00at a text and you see the translation in real time or you're pointing the camera at a flower
0:56:06and a little pop up says, you know, recognize, I don't know, daisies or whatever.
0:56:12None of this is technically new.
0:56:13Google Lens is pretty much this.
0:56:16And what I'm saying is that Apple probably would love to have an answer to Google Lens
0:56:22with on-device processing, because we know we know that on-device iOS can do this.
0:56:28But after you've taken a picture and what I'm saying is that thanks to AI and the larger
0:56:34language model that Apple has built, the on-device processing will be able to do this in real
0:56:41time.
0:56:42So that's really that's the only difference.
0:56:44This is stuff that an iPhone can already do.
0:56:47And my pick is saying you will be able to do it in real time from the camera without
0:56:51having to take a photo only to delete it later because you don't need a picture of the menu
0:56:56anymore.
0:56:57And really, like, I think for this to be what you're talking about, this has to be more
0:57:03than one type of data.
0:57:05Right.
0:57:06Like, if all they've done is like you can translate text from other languages, that
0:57:11I don't feel like that's the spirit of what you're saying.
0:57:14And this would be at least two things, you know?
0:57:17Yeah, at least two things.
0:57:19And I would say this could be in the camera app, but doesn't I don't think should have
0:57:23to be in the camera app.
0:57:25Right.
0:57:26Like, I feel like this might be a thing where you just ask Siri to take a look at what you're
0:57:31looking at.
0:57:32I think that would count too.
0:57:33I don't want to box you into saying this is in the camera app because I actually wouldn't
0:57:39want that to be the case personally.
0:57:41But there has to be a camera of like it has to use the physical camera of the phone.
0:57:49Yeah, yeah.
0:57:50Yeah.
0:57:51I mean, but what I'm saying is that you could say like, you know, show let me show you like,
0:57:53you know, there's a way to get to this, which isn't necessarily opening the camera.
0:57:58Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:57:59Look, it could even be it could even be like a separate app for that matter.
0:58:04I don't know.
0:58:05I also don't think it's not necessarily launching this year.
0:58:09Like as we'll see at WWDC, I think a lot of features will be announced for early next
0:58:14year.
0:58:15Yeah.
0:58:16Coming later in the 18 cycle.
0:58:18So yeah.
0:58:19And you'll have like two features to write a review about.
0:58:22See, that's yeah, exactly.
0:58:25Everything else.
0:58:27The review keeps going for six months, which is which is fantastic.
0:58:31This review is a living document.
0:58:33Yeah, instead of instead of a sponsor, I'll be selling a residency on Mac stories for
0:58:37four.
0:58:38Oh, I like it.
0:58:40I like it.
0:58:41It's really.
0:58:42Let's see.
0:58:43I do.
0:58:44I what I do really like about this pic is the that like the forward thinking to this
0:58:49capture button.
0:58:51Yeah, I think.
0:58:53Yeah.
0:58:54I mean, obviously, it may just be that it's a capture button.
0:58:58That it's just just for taking pictures.
0:59:00I mean, great.
0:59:01I mean, obviously, you could set it.
0:59:03Right.
0:59:04I reckon that that like the action button, you may be able to say like the capture button
0:59:09opens this mode of the camera and one of those modes could be Siri camera.
0:59:14Yeah, exactly.
0:59:15Exactly.
0:59:16And maybe maybe all of this could even be like there's always one camera app and you
0:59:20just switch between regular camera and Siri camera.
0:59:24Like I don't know.
0:59:25There are plenty of ways for Apple to go about this.
0:59:28And yeah.
0:59:29Yeah.
0:59:30Yeah.
0:59:31Very cool.
0:59:32And then you're up due to the asynchronous.
0:59:37Methodology that we use and prepping for this.
0:59:40The two of you did approve my risky pic, but I've realized it's very similar to Federico's.
0:59:46So let me read it and we'll just see how we feel in the moment.
0:59:49OK.
0:59:50OK.
0:59:51Apple previews a new Vision OS app that puts overlays over the camera pass through with
0:59:56information about objects in view.
0:59:59I think it's different enough.
1:00:01It's totally fine.
1:00:03I do too.
1:00:04I just wanted to give you the you know, set the stage that they are similar in feeling,
1:00:10but I think could be really different practice.
1:00:13I think it's funny that we're all thinking about cameras and AI for these pics because
1:00:18Mike mentioned the pass through, which is obviously a camera.
1:00:22I it's all we're all thinking about vision and AI.
1:00:27OK.
1:00:28Yeah.
1:00:29Steven.
1:00:30I think the thing with this is like it's not exactly the same.
1:00:34And also it's not the iPhone.
1:00:35Yeah.
1:00:36Yeah.
1:00:37Right.
1:00:38Where like I could imagine that they might want to do this, but it's not this year because
1:00:42the iPhone got it this year.
1:00:43Maybe.
1:00:44But also for me, it's like, well, if one of you gets it right or both of you gets it right,
1:00:51doesn't make a difference to me.
1:00:52If you both get it wrong, that's great for me.
1:00:55You know what I mean?
1:00:58For me personally, I say just go for it.
1:01:00OK.
1:01:01Yeah.
1:01:02I'm going to stick with it then.
1:01:03I think this would be really cool.
1:01:04And I could see it really being useful in some of the environments that I think this headset
1:01:12could gain popularity.
1:01:14Like we talked about it when it first came out uses in manufacturing or industry or health
1:01:21care like.
1:01:24It could be really interesting to see this.
1:01:26And I think it's got the horsepower for it.
1:01:28And it would just be great.
1:01:29Like, hey, show me this thing.
1:01:31And I'm already wearing it.
1:01:32I would actually, now thinking about it, I would like to get some clarification.
1:01:36Apple previews a new Vision OS app.
1:01:40From Apple?
1:01:42I did not.
1:01:43Or you'd.
1:01:44I don't know.
1:01:45Hmm.
1:01:46Because not a third party.
1:01:47Right.
1:01:48Right.
1:01:49That, I'm not letting you get that one through.
1:01:51Right.
1:01:52Like if.
1:01:53OK.
1:01:54And they do plumbing supplies and they're making an app that shows you about plumbing
1:01:58supplies.
1:01:59Right.
1:02:00Like that.
1:02:01That's not it.
1:02:02Would you consider an API risky?
1:02:09Risky bees.
1:02:10No, you need to go all in.
1:02:11OK.
1:02:12No, I want what I originally thought this was, which is like Apple has a system of their
1:02:17own.
1:02:18OK.
1:02:19Right.
1:02:20So you could just like Apple previews a feature that puts overlays on the camera.
1:02:25Right.
1:02:26A feature maybe is better than.
1:02:29Because if I'm also being kind to you.
1:02:30Like a Vision OS feature.
1:02:31They're not going to put it in an app if they've made this.
1:02:33It's not going to be like, here's the looking app or whatever.
1:02:37Looking?
1:02:38You think that's what I'm doing?
1:02:40They call it look.
1:02:41Yeah.
1:02:42Apple look.
1:02:43No, no.
1:02:44Apple look.
1:02:45They would call it vision.
1:02:46So you run the Vision app on Vision OS on the Vision Pro.
1:02:49Uh-uh.
1:02:50No, no.
1:02:51Apple being Apple, they love to reuse names.
1:02:53You know what they're going to call it?
1:02:54I say look.
1:02:55Quick look.
1:02:56Quick look.
1:02:57Quick look.
1:02:58Yeah.
1:02:59Yes.
1:03:00Yeah.
1:03:01Or like quicker look because it's immediate.
1:03:05It's immediate.
1:03:06Honestly, look honestly, quick look is a great name for this feature.
1:03:12Great.
1:03:13Love it.
1:03:14It is.
1:03:15Ship it.
1:03:16Read your prick again.
1:03:17Apple previews a new Vision OS feature that puts overlays over the camera pass-through
1:03:22with information about objects in view.
1:03:24Cool.
1:03:25Yeah.
1:03:26Okay.
1:03:27Okay.
1:03:28Federico's said, I'm reading the backwards, Apple shows a Siri camera, not official name,
1:03:34feature that lets you point the iPhone at something and use AI to understand what you're
1:03:38looking at.
1:03:39It'll use AI to determine various types of information such as objects or text in real
1:03:44time.
1:03:45It may not ship this year, non-graded.
1:03:48This is also why the next iPhone will have a physical camera button.
1:03:53And then Mike said, Vision OS 2 has keyboard pass-through when in an environment and it
1:03:58works with any keyboard, not just the ones Apple makes.
1:04:03Please.
1:04:04How are we feeling?
1:04:06Can we do a quick five check?
1:04:09I'm not sure if any time we've had risky picks so close and that's really interesting to
1:04:15me.
1:04:16Yeah, it's interesting this year.
1:04:17I'm feeling good about it.
1:04:18I think there's a world in which we all get the risky pick this time.
1:04:26Wouldn't that be incredible?
1:04:29We go from zero to three risky picks, correct?
1:04:32That would be wild.
1:04:34That would be.
1:04:35I think out of the three of us, I'm the one most likely to have their heart broken.
1:04:40I think yours could be exactly half right where they add keyboard pass-through.
1:04:49They say it like we've added keyboard pass-through and then I think I've got it and then I later
1:04:53find out in a session that it's just a magic keyboard.
1:04:56Or someone tries a beta, they're like, oh no, that doesn't work with my fancy boy keyboard.
1:05:04We have some real time follow up.
1:05:05Mike, can you address this?
1:05:07Because it's about the scoring when completed, you brought that up and it mentions upgrade.
1:05:12Yeah, so Kate wrote in to say from you queried the scoring is completed during recording
1:05:18rule.
1:05:19It was added between the March and WWDC 2022 Ricky's when there was a significant rewriting
1:05:25of the rules over a three episode span according to my research.
1:05:29Jason of Ricky's.net says that was just after the upgrade draft thing preemptive.
1:05:35Don't let this happen here either.
1:05:37This is due to the WWDC 2022 fiasco where Jason conspired to James Thompson and we change
1:05:48to change the points of the draft.
1:05:50It's also why now the draft rules state that when we've scored it, that's it.
1:05:56You can't continue to keep rescoring even in the same episode.
1:06:00And I think it was such a travesty that we may have decided to not allow for that kind
1:06:05of thing to happen here either.
1:06:06I completely forgot about this.
1:06:08This happened.
1:06:10I was reminded of it today when I saw the pictures of the beer and glass that Jason
1:06:16bought me as an apology.
1:06:22What was the point about?
1:06:23What was the what was the pick?
1:06:25I think it was something to do with shortcuts.
1:06:28I don't remember exactly.
1:06:31But yeah, it was correct.
1:06:34Like the point should not have gotten to me.
1:06:36But that was based upon like, I think James Thompson digging through something in Xcode.
1:06:42It was just like way more information.
1:06:44Oh, and this was also this was also COVID DC, right?
1:06:49No, yes.
1:06:51Yes.
1:06:52Yes.
1:06:53Yes, it was.
1:06:54So that was another part of like, why would you take this away from me at a time when
1:06:57I'm experiencing my lowest low?
1:07:02And so, you know, there was a lot of emotion from me at that point.
1:07:07And so we decided, let's not do that again.
1:07:11The rules all got changed.
1:07:13All right.
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1:08:40The flexies is a game held after each edition of the rookies.
1:08:44It consists of a series of additional picks in relation to the upcoming Apple event or
1:08:49year.
1:08:50Scoring is completed separately from the main game.
1:08:53But like the rookies, the order of picks is set by the results of the previous game and
1:08:57ties will be broken by using dice by peak alc.
1:09:01Please lie down as the rules are read.
1:09:10Host must make a minimum of five flexy picks.
1:09:14Each correct pick is awarded with one point.
1:09:17Wrong picks do not remove any points and no partial points may be awarded.
1:09:21The winner is determined by comparing the percentage of correct flexies made by each host.
1:09:26The winner can choose their chosen title as long as they are the winner.
1:09:31Federico shall be named Prince Flexy and is known as King Flexy when having won both the
1:09:36keynote and annual games.
1:09:39Mike has chosen Duke of Flexington and uses the name Archduke Flexington when applicable.
1:09:46Steven is the Attorney General Flexy and uses the title Secretary of the Flex when necessary.
1:09:55Loser of the flexies must compensate the winner of the flexies by donating to a charity of
1:09:59the winner's choice.
1:10:01The amount of the donation is $25 per wrong flexy made by the loser.
1:10:05The money must be donated on air.
1:10:10As a reminder, dear listener, I am currently winner of both.
1:10:18So I am secretary of the flex.
1:10:25If someone would to hold all four titles, so if they were winners of both games, they
1:10:31would choose their own nickname.
1:10:33That has not happened.
1:10:34You may be seated.
1:10:37I would like to provide some additional real time follow up.
1:10:39It was actually WWDC 2021.
1:10:43The travesty occurred not 2022.
1:10:46Just staying for the record.
1:10:48Okay.
1:10:49Let's talk about some flexies.
1:10:51I get to go first.
1:10:52I have seven.
1:10:54Currently.
1:10:55Currently.
1:10:57You never know.
1:10:58You might change things that get wild like you did last time.
1:11:02You can get goaded.
1:11:04We do not see Sam Altman in the presentation.
1:11:09I think his reputation is too far gone for Apple to win him on their screen.
1:11:17Can I ask you on that, if he was there, would you be really surprised?
1:11:22I would be.
1:11:23I would not be so surprised.
1:11:24I would be a bit like, interesting choice.
1:11:27I would not be really surprised about it.
1:11:30How many polo shirts would he have on?
1:11:32Can I ask you a follow up question?
1:11:36What if we see a quote by Sam Altman with a profile picture of Sam Altman in the presentation?
1:11:45Like we're really excited to work with Apple and blah, blah, blah.
1:11:49Do we need walking, talking Sam Altman or can we just, just his face?
1:11:55I don't, I think he'll be a complete ghost.
1:11:58Okay.
1:11:59Okay.
1:12:00No face at all, right?
1:12:01We do not see Sam Altman's face.
1:12:04Steven doesn't want to see two things at WWDC.
1:12:06Hardware and Sam Altman.
1:12:12Number two, some AI features on the Mac require an M2 or later.
1:12:18Okay.
1:12:19I think some M1 Macs are going to get cut out of some features.
1:12:24I hope it cuts out at M2 because I don't want to buy a new MacBook.
1:12:28Yeah, same.
1:12:29I did not want an M3 MacBook Pro.
1:12:32At least two of Apple's first party apps escape iPad compatibility mode on VisionOS to become
1:12:40full blown native apps.
1:12:41Yeah.
1:12:42Yeah.
1:12:43Yeah.
1:12:44Yeah.
1:12:45At least two.
1:12:46Good one.
1:12:47Like some basics are still in there.
1:12:48Like calendar.
1:12:49What are we doing?
1:12:50Come on.
1:12:51I think, I think this is not, but I think I saw, uh, Mark Goerman say today that, that
1:12:55that is a thing like that.
1:12:58I think I read this.
1:12:59Maybe I've made it up.
1:13:00I think it was a dream that they, that Apple was going to have more of their own, um, uh,
1:13:07no you didn't, you didn't dream this.
1:13:08I also saw this.
1:13:09I saw this.
1:13:10I saw it somewhere at least, uh, that this was the thing that they were going to do.
1:13:14And it's one of the reasons that they've held off international availability was for VisionOS
1:13:18too, because it's going to be, it's going to have more native applications.
1:13:22Okay.
1:13:23Number four, improvements and scare quotes, improvements to stage manager are announced.
1:13:30All I hope is that this is for the Mac.
1:13:32That's where I want the improvements to occur because they, you know, they never touched
1:13:37it again.
1:13:38Right.
1:13:39At least they, they, they went back to iPadOS and made some changes.
1:13:42They didn't make a single change to stage manager on the Mac.
1:13:45So I hope for something.
1:13:47And who amongst us are using stage manager?
1:13:51I have not once turned it on on my new iPad Pro.
1:13:54I have it on the iPad Pro.
1:13:56I use it.
1:13:57Yeah.
1:13:58I do not.
1:14:01And I definitely not on the Mac.
1:14:05Number five, something in iOS 18 picks up the UI used in the iOS 17 app picker and messages.
1:14:14Oh no.
1:14:15Interesting.
1:14:16I feel like another pick could have been that they changed the way that looks.
1:14:21That goes away.
1:14:22Uh, bold.
1:14:24I think it's, I, I, I kinda liked the way it looks and I think it'd be cool if it were
1:14:27other places.
1:14:28Do you like the way that looks?
1:14:31Maybe it's just that it's new.
1:14:33Interesting.
1:14:34I think it's okay.
1:14:35I don't like, hate it.
1:14:36I think a lot of people really don't like it, but I don't like it.
1:14:39Like, but it doesn't make new recoil.
1:14:42Okay.
1:14:43You just dream of path.
1:14:45That's your thing.
1:14:46You just want path back.
1:14:47I just want path back.
1:14:48Number six, the journal app comes to iPadOS.
1:14:51Yeah.
1:14:52Oh yeah.
1:14:53And remember journal?
1:14:54I use it.
1:14:55I do.
1:14:56I use it.
1:14:57I use it occasionally.
1:14:58Yeah.
1:14:59Yeah.
1:15:00I like it as a, um, collecting up photos of a thing, you know?
1:15:04So I'll do that every now and then.
1:15:05I use the suggestions, but in day one, cause I've got all my stuff in there.
1:15:10I would use it way more if other apps could suggest things to journal.
1:15:14Isn't that how, Oh, like the other way around.
1:15:18This was a thing that everybody thought was what that API was, but that's not what that
1:15:22API was.
1:15:23The API is system things can be suggested to other journal apps, but I want, for example,
1:15:28if I've listened to a podcast in Overcoast, why can't that also be suggested to the journal
1:15:33app?
1:15:34Yeah.
1:15:35Just if I use Apple system apps.
1:15:36Third party support for the journal suggestions API.
1:15:39Yeah.
1:15:40For the API.
1:15:41Yeah.
1:15:42That's good.
1:15:43Maybe that could be a flexi for somebody.
1:15:44Number seven.
1:15:45It's going to be at least two years away.
1:15:48Number seven.
1:15:50And this is a pick with some history, uh, but it's still eligible.
1:15:54It's not an ineligible pick.
1:15:56The next version of Mac iOS is named Tahoe.
1:16:01The history of this is it has been picked before by Mike twice on upgrade.
1:16:07Not, I've also picked the same two twice.
1:16:11Tahoe, Tahoe and another one, but I won't spoil it in case people haven't gotten to
1:16:16it yet.
1:16:17But yeah, I've picked and I didn't know this until I went back to check.
1:16:20Yeah.
1:16:21If I had picked it in 23 and I had, so I keep picking the same two names until eventually
1:16:27I will get it.
1:16:28Yeah.
1:16:29Federico, what was your one that you really wanted?
1:16:31Skyline.
1:16:32Skyline.
1:16:33They should still do it.
1:16:34Yeah.
1:16:35Yeah.
1:16:36You were so set on that.
1:16:37Like you were so set on that.
1:16:38Yeah.
1:16:39Yeah.
1:16:40I wouldn't have looked it up cause I was like, I know Federico picked a name and like none
1:16:44of these have ever come true, but I don't know.
1:16:46I keep coming back to it.
1:16:49So those are my seven.
1:16:50I do not have any additions at this time.
1:16:52Okay.
1:16:53All right.
1:16:54Okay.
1:16:55Mine is, uh, number one, RCS is not spoken aloud in the keynote.
1:17:02No.
1:17:03Sweep it under the rug.
1:17:06No.
1:17:07Yeah.
1:17:08I think it will be on the bento slide thing, right?
1:17:10Okay.
1:17:11Uh, for, for maybe messages or iOS or whatever.
1:17:14I was actually considering a previous, uh, uh, risky pick of mine was RCS is not spoken
1:17:21aloud in the keynote and it features in the bottom left of the bento screen.
1:17:25That was, that was a workshop risky that I was going to go with, which I, I honestly
1:17:33kind of wish I picked that, but I wanted to at least say it now.
1:17:36So if it happens, I can get like just a little glory point that doesn't count.
1:17:39It's like the my identity island name, you know?
1:17:43Yes.
1:17:44It is like that.
1:17:45Uh, what did you say?
1:17:46Like, uh, it was pixels in a, or like lit up pixels in a sea of blackness or something.
1:17:51Yeah.
1:17:52Yeah.
1:17:53Yeah.
1:17:54So people are asking RCS is a replacement to SMS and something that Google wanted forever.
1:18:00And it will make it.
1:18:02The reason I don't think they're going to talk about it is because Apple is not going
1:18:04to do anything good with it, right?
1:18:07They are just going to support it and replace the infrastructure for what SMS is with RCS
1:18:12or add it into the same thing.
1:18:14It's not going to get any of the iMessage features.
1:18:15Like that's not going to happen.
1:18:17Um, they're just going to do this because it's part of what they should be doing.
1:18:22But what was it?
1:18:23China actually that asked them to do it in the end, I think it came out at some point,
1:18:29but maybe yes, that's what they're doing.
1:18:30We talked a lot about it on a MPU 7 46.
1:18:33There was a whole chapter on that episode about, about what that could mean.
1:18:37What a CS is.
1:18:38Yeah.
1:18:39I wanted to briefly acknowledge the best joke from the discord about this by Ben McCarthy,
1:18:43uh, Pokemon legends, RCS.
1:18:47I saw that and didn't get it.
1:18:49Thank you.
1:18:50Now I get it.
1:18:51Bravo.
1:18:52Steven, do you get that?
1:18:53Uh, you don't need to know.
1:18:55No, no, it's fine.
1:18:56You don't need to pick number two standby mode for iPad iOS.
1:19:01No way, man.
1:19:02Why no way?
1:19:03I don't, I just, I don't see them adding it.
1:19:08Like why not make it part of the iPad announcement?
1:19:11It just wasn't ready.
1:19:13I don't know.
1:19:14So no S feature.
1:19:15They don't announce those features anymore as part of hardware features.
1:19:18They just don't do that.
1:19:19In fact, there's been a long history of them not doing that.
1:19:23Do you think it will be, um, just for the new pros, just the, the, oh, yeah.
1:19:28Cause I actually think what it will be as an always on display, but they'll call it
1:19:32standby mode.
1:19:34Hmm.
1:19:35Right.
1:19:36And it will have like some widgets on it and stuff.
1:19:38I like widgets.
1:19:40And I think that what standby mode for iPad iOS will be, will be like a mixture of standby
1:19:45and always on.
1:19:46And they'll say standby mode for iPad iOS.
1:19:48Cause I believe they're going to make a feature like this for whenever they do a home part
1:19:52of a screen.
1:19:53So why not just do it now?
1:19:55Pick number three, at least one of the coming soon environments in vision OS two is removed.
1:20:00Like it's never coming?
1:20:02It never comes.
1:20:03Wow.
1:20:04Just one of them just never comes.
1:20:07They lost it.
1:20:09And forever this will become like a piece of trivia, you know, like what, what was that
1:20:13environment?
1:20:14You know?
1:20:15So what happened?
1:20:16One of the coming soon ones goes away.
1:20:18Never comes back.
1:20:19I did have a risky pick that I did not even float by y'all, but it was that users, there'd
1:20:25be some feature in vision OS for users to set up their own panoramic photo as a system
1:20:31wide environment.
1:20:34That wouldn't be very good.
1:20:35Well, that's why I didn't do it because I think they look bad.
1:20:38Like I don't think the resolution is there.
1:20:40I don't know if anyone's picking this, but what I really want is for like there to be
1:20:44a way for developers to submit it.
1:20:46Right?
1:20:47Like that's what I really want.
1:20:48I want to be able to sit in like, it's the Apple watch face of the vision pro.
1:20:52I feel like this is more likely though, because Apple doesn't support watch faces as like
1:20:59a thing you can do, but they support immersive.
1:21:03Like there's a name for it, right?
1:21:05Where like is what Disney's doing, where you can have your app and then an immersive thing
1:21:09around it.
1:21:10There's a new one out today.
1:21:12Actually the WWDC app was updated with like a wacky immersion immersive thing.
1:21:17Yeah.
1:21:18So my hope is that they will just make those like people could submit them to the system
1:21:23if you've downloaded the application.
1:21:25It's a immersive scene says Vincent discord.
1:21:27So you could just have an, any immersive scene inside of any app that you use as an environment.
1:21:31I just think that's an easy win and would be fantastic and it would create a whole new
1:21:36type of app development and it would be a lot of fun.
1:21:41Number four, Apple announces some new immersive video content coming to vision pro.
1:21:47Okay.
1:21:48Number five, Apple also announces an AI deal with Google.
1:21:54I think they would like to do this.
1:21:57Google knows it and they're going to take them down to the wire.
1:22:01Dude, I know what you were saying, but for the record, could this be clarified?
1:22:07Say something like in addition to open AI, they announced a deal with Google.
1:22:10Is that what you mean?
1:22:11Is that your intent?
1:22:13Also also announces doesn't also mean in addition.
1:22:18Yeah.
1:22:19But, but in addition to open AI, if that's your intent, I think it should say, let me
1:22:23just get rid of also Apple announces a deal, an AI deal with Google.
1:22:28That works for me.
1:22:29But what this reminds me of is, um, I think it was the Apple music launch where I was
1:22:37told like a year or so later by someone that they didn't get all of the signatures they
1:22:44needed until literally the night before the announcement from some of the music labels.
1:22:50Because Apple has no power in that scenario.
1:22:53And I think this is a similar thing.
1:22:54If you're Google, right, if you're Sundar Pichai, you know Tim needs you.
1:23:01So why not push him to the absolute limit where Sam Altman would just love to do that
1:23:08deal.
1:23:09Yeah.
1:23:10So I imagine that it won't just be open AI, but I think Google is going to make him pay
1:23:15for it.
1:23:17Uh, six vision pro international availability is mentioned.
1:23:23Yeah.
1:23:24And what I mean by this is they may just say, and it's still coming later this year.
1:23:28Like that's why I said mentioned, not announced.
1:23:31We're just the mere mention of international availability is all I'm looking for.
1:23:36And seven, this was a rejected risky chatbot features from AI partners are available to
1:23:42iCloud plus subscribers after a free trial.
1:23:46So only are available only to iCloud plus subscribers after a free trial.
1:23:51This is really interesting.
1:23:52I think it was on dithering, but I could be, I could be misattributing this, that the scale
1:24:00issue that open AI is getting ready to face with the iPhone is massive.
1:24:05There are a number of users they have now is going to explode when these things come
1:24:10to the iPhone.
1:24:12And this was why Google seemed like the obvious choice, right?
1:24:15As a company that could handle the scale, they could scale it, but this could be a way
1:24:19to meter it is it's behind the iCloud plus paywall, which I'm sure has a ton of users,
1:24:26but it's a fraction of iPhone users overall, right?
1:24:28But there's people running around with no free space in iCloud.
1:24:31And so I really like this from that perspective.
1:24:34And I think if Apple offers a chatbot at all, which I'm not convinced of, um, I think it
1:24:41will be this way.
1:24:43They will offer chatbots from other people baked into the system.
1:24:46That's what's going to happen and you can just either have none or you can choose.
1:24:50I think that that's what we'll get.
1:24:52It'd be like, do you want a chatbot?
1:24:54Great.
1:24:55Which one?
1:24:56And it will be, I think two to start with.
1:24:58Maybe there'll be, you know, some international, uh, partners that they will work with to provide
1:25:04them in other languages and stuff.
1:25:06Um, yeah.
1:25:08And I, and I, the other thing is like this stuff costs money.
1:25:12Like it actually costs money.
1:25:14Like Apple can't not be paying open AI for this.
1:25:18Otherwise open AI is going to lose all of their money incredibly quickly.
1:25:23Like who's going to pay for this?
1:25:25Like if you go from all iPhone users that want to choose to all iPhone users that use
1:25:31Siri on their devices, like this game over.
1:25:34Yeah.
1:25:35And so I imagine there being like a free trial that everyone just grins and bears it right
1:25:40for that free trial period.
1:25:41And we all just hold on very tight and hope that it goes okay.
1:25:44Um, and, and then they try and limit it to iCloud plus.
1:25:49Cause another thing for this, Apple specifically said on their earnings call that they see
1:25:54AI as a services opportunity.
1:25:56Like Luca Maestri has said that.
1:25:58Yeah.
1:25:59So that also lends into this thinking for me, but I don't need to sell this so hard,
1:26:02but that is my thinking behind it anyway.
1:26:04That's good.
1:26:05Um, I just, I struggle.
1:26:06I mean, I wrote this thing I published over the weekend about how I think Apple has to
1:26:10be really careful with these features, chatbots in particular about how, like how these things
1:26:17gel with the Apple brand promise.
1:26:20And I just very curious to see how that plays out.
1:26:25I mean, what they'll try and do is just have a little disclaimer.
1:26:29It says this answer comes from open AI.
1:26:31This answer comes from Google Gemini and just hope that nobody gets too mad at them.
1:26:35Yeah.
1:26:36I don't think that's going to work, but like, I think that's what they're going to hope
1:26:39for.
1:26:40I do love glue on pizza.
1:26:42All right.
1:26:44Federico, bring us home.
1:26:46All right.
1:26:47All right.
1:26:48Mine are pretty easy and simple this time around.
1:26:50Number one, some AI features will be region locked.
1:26:53Uh, you think there's going to be us only stuff, for example.
1:26:57Um, I don't think, I don't think all these features will be available internationally
1:27:02in all countries where iOS is available at least at first.
1:27:08And number two, some new iOS 18 features will be exclusive to the iPhone 15 line.
1:27:15I have a question.
1:27:16I have a question.
1:27:19The 15 and 15 pro have different processors, right?
1:27:22Yeah.
1:27:23The 15 has the pro processor from last year.
1:27:27Yeah.
1:27:28I just, I just, I wonder how they're going to handle that.
1:27:30If it's like the same hardware that was in the 14 pro, maybe it's not exactly the same
1:27:33hardware.
1:27:34I just, I have no idea.
1:27:35I just didn't want to say 15 pro.
1:27:37So I think a better pick for you is to say 15 pro.
1:27:40Well, let's say 15 pro.
1:27:43Because that has also been rumored to that it's like the pro phones this year and then
1:27:47all 16s next year.
1:27:48Cause they will bump some new iOS 18 features will be exclusive to the iPhone 15 pro line.
1:27:54Um, yeah.
1:27:56Number three notes.
1:27:57I don't want to collude you here, right?
1:27:59I'm not trying to push you.
1:28:00No, no.
1:28:01I'm cool with it.
1:28:02I'm cool.
1:28:03I think it's a better pick for you.
1:28:07Number three notes gets new features such as math calculations and voice recording.
1:28:12Um, these have both been rumored that you will be able to do math notation and like,
1:28:17uh, touch voice memos.
1:28:18Uh, I would love to do math in notes.
1:28:21Yeah.
1:28:22Like in tables.
1:28:23Like, yeah, it'd be great.
1:28:25I think that would be great.
1:28:26The tables are useless in notes when I, I mean, they don't do any math at all.
1:28:30It's like I had that problem in craft, right.
1:28:32And obsidian, like just do math for me.
1:28:35No one can do math for me.
1:28:39Number four, the next version of my class is called Sequoia.
1:28:43Okay.
1:28:44It's a good name.
1:28:46Not skyline.
1:28:47I mean for gel, it would gel with like Apple's history of names that nobody knows how to
1:28:52spell or pronounce.
1:28:54Sequoia.
1:28:55It's easy for me because Sequoia is like the same word in Italian, slightly different
1:28:59accent.
1:29:00Sequoia.
1:29:01But yeah, it's same word.
1:29:03I know it cause Toyota has a full size SUV called the Sequoia that I like.
1:29:08Oh, nice.
1:29:09Sequoia.
1:29:10Okay.
1:29:11Number five, Apple shows off the ability for Siri to control apps, but it's not launching
1:29:17this year.
1:29:18So the rumor that you will be able to use Siri to do things in apps, I think they will
1:29:23show it off.
1:29:24They will say that it's launching for Apple apps at first and not even this year.
1:29:29And there will be an API eventually.
1:29:32It's going to be killer though, whenever that actually properly works, I think.
1:29:37Can I ask an unrelated question to your pick?
1:29:40I love the pick.
1:29:42From the technical perspective, Federico, do you view this as kind of building on the
1:29:46intense framework?
1:29:48I think so.
1:29:49I think it's got to be a combination of some kind of like screen vision that the large
1:29:54language model will have.
1:29:56So like actually understanding app UIs.
1:30:00There are two ways that Apple could go about this, right?
1:30:02It could be like an AI powered, essentially fancy UI scripting.
1:30:09Like basically the UI is your fake finger interacting with apps.
1:30:15That seems like a pretty primitive approach to me.
1:30:18The better approach would be, okay, now when you're talking to Siri, developers have a
1:30:25brand new framework to expose actions that's building on top of Intents and you can invoke
1:30:36these commands via Siri and it'll do those things in apps in the background for you.
1:30:44So like, hey, assistant, get my latest document from, I don't know, from notes and send it
1:30:51to somebody.
1:30:52It's a bad idea.
1:30:55It's basically building on top of shortcuts.
1:30:57Apple has filed a, what are they called, like a technical, like a scientific paper.
1:31:05We talked about this, demonstrating the idea of an AI interacting with apps.
1:31:13So I'm sure they must have thought of like some hybrid model where...
1:31:17It's a fallback, right?
1:31:19Like fallback if it's not been provided.
1:31:21They might be able to do a not as good job, but a job, right?
1:31:24Of like just trying to press the buttons on its own.
1:31:27Yeah.
1:31:28Yeah.
1:31:29So we'll see.
1:31:30Like it would be so great to be looking at a thing and say to your phone, just do this.
1:31:35Right?
1:31:36Like I'm looking at a PDF and I was like split this PDF up into individual pages, save them
1:31:41to files.
1:31:42How incredible would that be rather than making that shortcut, which you can do.
1:31:45I did it a couple of days ago, but it would just be so great to just say what you want
1:31:50and then the system could just do it.
1:31:54Number six, the calculator app comes to iPad.
1:31:57Yeah, that adds up.
1:32:00And finally number seven.
1:32:02Yes, Steven.
1:32:03Yes.
1:32:04Oh, well done.
1:32:05Yes.
1:32:06Oh yes.
1:32:07Well done.
1:32:08Well done.
1:32:09And number seven, the next version of stage manager supports more than four windows at
1:32:13once on some iPad models.
1:32:18There is, this is a double down.
1:32:23This is a double down because this Flexi is the last item that I need to make my annual
1:32:31risky come true, which is more than four windows at once in stage manager.
1:32:36All is going all in.
1:32:39I'm going all in on this one last item that I need to get my annual risky.
1:32:44Yeah.
1:32:45So we should just say, so you're that, that, that is not a forbidden pick.
1:32:51Right?
1:32:52Cause it's like a part of it.
1:32:54And we felt like that was okay.
1:32:55It's also Flexis and just like, who cares?
1:32:57You know what I mean?
1:32:58Flexis is all money, you know?
1:32:59Yeah.
1:33:00So I just wanted before, you know, before the emails came.
1:33:04The rules lawyering.
1:33:05I love this idea.
1:33:08I love the idea actually of making one pick, which is a bunch of picks and picking all
1:33:13the picks individually.
1:33:14That is like a fun idea in general.
1:33:18It's like, here is my, it has four items and then it, four times in the year, you, you
1:33:23make an individual pick for each.
1:33:27That's it.
1:33:28That's it.
1:33:29We all have seven.
1:33:31No more.
1:33:32I don't have anything else.
1:33:33No more.
1:33:34I'm good.
1:33:35Okay.
1:33:36Well, we will be back next week scoring these picks, seeing how we did.
1:33:43It's going to be very exciting.
1:33:44Again, we'll be recording and releasing that on Friday, June 14th.
1:33:50So if you get to Wednesday, don't worry.
1:33:52We'll be, be out a few days later.
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1:34:34I listened to the first episode last night and I enjoyed it greatly.
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1:34:41There's a, there's a surprise at the end.
1:34:42Yeah.
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1:34:46There is the moment in the episode where Brendan realizes that it's happening to him now too,
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1:34:53I'm like, Oh no, I'm in this web now.
1:34:58So Brendan, welcome to the very special club of people in which Federico can just at any
1:35:03moment drop something on you.
1:35:05You were in, it is an elite group and you were, you would now been brought into that.
1:35:11Sometimes he, uh, he drops actual things on people.
1:35:14So look out for that too.
1:35:15Yep.
1:35:16Do you think Steven broke his toe?
1:35:18Yeah.
1:35:19Through a book at me in high school.
1:35:22Dropped a power supply on Steven.
1:35:26You can find Federico on social media at Viti, V I T I C C I both threads and Macedon.
1:35:33Mike is the host of a bunch of other shows.
1:35:36You're going to relay FM.
1:35:37The draft episode was so good this year.
1:35:40I love, I'm not going to spoil anything, but I love the twist you added.
1:35:43So good.
1:35:44New rules.
1:35:45Yeah.
1:35:46New rules.
1:35:47Yeah.
1:35:48We love rules around here.
1:35:49And this is, we do want some new rules.
1:35:50Go to upgrade.
1:35:51We do.
1:35:52We do love our rules.
1:35:53Uh, you are also the, you Mike, I don't know.
1:35:56I'm talking to you or the audience.
1:35:57I don't know.
1:35:58Talk to me.
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1:36:06Go check that stuff out.
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1:36:18Sunday here on relay FM, uh, MPU will be out on Thursday.
1:36:22Next week it up.
1:36:23It'll be out before connected.
1:36:24It's very strange how that all worked out.
1:36:26Uh, but David and I will be talking about WBC on there as well.
1:36:30It's the super bowl this week.
1:36:31It's a very busy week for all of us.
1:36:32We're all very excited.
1:36:34You can follow along with social media with me as ISM H 86.
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1:36:45And until next time, when we judge our picks, say goodbye.
1:36:52Bye y'all.
1:36:52We'll see you soon.