0:00:00alright so I guess do you wanna get started on the actual show we do a show
0:00:05you know how we do this is a song about Alice but not always that Alice's
0:00:10Restaurant wow with debris seriously quoting Guthrie Arlo Guthrie's alright
0:00:16we all did music podcast in like the last week that way and we could do you
0:00:20want to join ya know Evansville IN it so let's do some follow-up John wanted to
0:00:27tell us about LOV mir
0:00:29last week so long ago whatever it was we talked about the and I are which also
0:00:35known as a bit code and sort of binary representation and whether or not that
0:00:39helps Apple to be able to move any of their platforms to different CPU
0:00:44architectures in the future we basically decided that it doesn't help or hurt
0:00:49that it is orthogonal concerned mostly having to do with taking advantage of
0:00:55new instructions a new processor is being able to remove instructions from
0:00:58processors when there are no longer needed all without asking developers to
0:01:01re-upload new binary versions of their applications and recompiling
0:01:05architectures and stuff
0:01:07so a bunch of people said we could link someone sent me I forgot what is was
0:01:10unfortunately a 2011 think its use that post on our mailing list post from Dan
0:01:18Goldman at Apple presumably works on the LVM team where did at least in 2011 up
0:01:24with the link in the shona people can read it he outlines the reasons why he
0:01:28thinks LT mir is a poor system for building a platform by which he means
0:01:32any system where LV mir will be a format in which programs are stored or
0:01:36transmitted for subsequent use on multiple underlying architecture is what
0:01:39exactly the question here after asking before I get this 2011 things may have
0:01:44changed but in general he says like if you're gonna make if you're going to
0:01:47make some kind of multi CPU architecture intermediary for melody mir would not be
0:01:52it he was the reasons someone named Jacob still clinton also got that right
0:02:00send us an email with more good information about what is platform
0:02:06specifically embed code what is it that makes bit code not portable says one of
0:02:10the biggest sources of bitter differences the target baby i mean
0:02:13application binary interface interface claim generates actions that are able to
0:02:18call C functions compiled by other compilers by following the ABI on that
0:02:21platform especially when ABI is like so that everything going to be compiled by
0:02:24the same compiler you could compile 12 pilar have a compiled library whatever I
0:02:28can call you you can call back into me like we all know how we're going to call
0:02:31each other such as the FBI defines how function arguments overturned guys are
0:02:35laid out in memory registers like you know you put your address here and in
0:02:39return I was gonna be this register that's the ABI ever has to agree on that
0:02:42are you can't call another code and one of the requirements for a bit code and
0:02:46for any of Apple's Kampala stuff is that you have to be able to compile code and
0:02:49has to be able to call functions they were compiled with another compiler even
0:02:52if it's just an earlier version of the same compiler otherwise every time a new
0:02:56OS came out it was compiled into compiler everyone to recompile the
0:02:58rhapsody ABI changed it doesn't and so this is sort of hard and fast
0:03:02requirement what Apple does
0:03:03with its compose a day goes on in general decline friend is using a
0:03:08combination of LLVM types an argument flags to get the code generator generate
0:03:12the correct in calling sequence and knows how the code generator for
0:03:14selected target architecture behaves as you can even get different but coping
0:03:19using different abyei's of the same instruction set architectures even on a
0:03:22single chip you can have multiple EBI is defined and you get different bit code
0:03:26if you target different abs and you're saying you'll be possible to create
0:03:30Alabama article compiled a mobile CPU architectures only by giving up on the
0:03:34ability to call made of functions compiled with other compilers you could
0:03:37define a virtual Abijah specifies the layouts this drug class and how they
0:03:41function calls are mapped out the mir
0:03:43this is essentially what Google's P NaCl the portable native client project does
0:03:48it work since the code only has two runs out of crime sandboxing calling
0:03:51functions provided by Carl so lots of theoretical possibilities but in the
0:03:56practical real-world the what Apple uses composites for our gate code and healthy
0:04:00mir are not the answer to portability across platforms ok then
0:04:06and once tell us about what Chris Lattner has been saying lately this is
0:04:11Kai Xin who says Chris Lattner worth asking questions or paraphrases was
0:04:15asked a question I assuming this is WNBC didn't say any plans to write swift and
0:04:20swift we talked about self hosting last week hosting turns out to be the right
0:04:23definition I just failed to read the Wikipedia page correctly anyway and what
0:04:28he said was he said was his goal is to make the best language writing
0:04:32consumer-facing so far not compilers and he mentioned that he started writing a
0:04:35compiler and you have to have to be great would end up being rude language
0:04:38for writing low-level code but inadequate shredding iOS and Mac apps
0:04:41but just the kind of like the politically correct answer for self
0:04:46hosting I said I thought would be needed to have a shame that the people who are
0:04:49actually writing so after spending the whole day writing C++ when they love to
0:04:53use new language they invented to do their work as well
0:04:56and I got a lot of replies like this it's like no I asked Chris letter that
0:05:00he says we did that then just you know swifter be a really good language
0:05:03writing compilers and that's not what they're making them making trying to
0:05:05make a really good language writing I was mad cows which technically according
0:05:09to a swiss mission statement in the Apple book published on the topic of
0:05:12trying to make a long as it spans the range compilers would be in that range I
0:05:16think would prove the language but can do that type of task but anyway
0:05:21luckily we live in the age of Twitter and the New Age of the open Apple not
0:05:25the one from Apple to keyboard nice Chris Lattner replied on Twitter to
0:05:30thread involved in the ass and he said we'll put links to his to eat too many
0:05:33of us would love to rewrite this was compiling its wished they would crash a
0:05:36lot less and be a lot more joyful for us that said we have a ton of higher
0:05:40priority
0:05:41higher priorities that affect used to suppress or compile hackers will just
0:05:44have to suffer for now so accomplished children had no shoes or whatever that
0:05:48expression is so contrary to many tales of Chris Lattner saying I'm sure you did
0:05:54say this but you know if we wrote our compiler in swift if that's what we were
0:06:00using sort of dog food our language we would end up making a language is really
0:06:03good at writing a pilot which is true if they get exclusionary thing else but in
0:06:08the grand scheme of things
0:06:09Chris laterally says that many of us would love to write the compliance with
0:06:12like what they look like they're making this new language of course they like
0:06:15the language courses like to use it and they work but is not really a high
0:06:17priority to main priority of course is making it a great language right iOS and
0:06:21Mac apps because that's the most important part of so there you have it
0:06:25is i think is a great example of like directing accurate quotes from people
0:06:30can be misleading if the only thing you ever hear is that and which is why I
0:06:33think Chris felt the need to say even though I said that it's true that's not
0:06:36the entire story like there are many dimensions to all these decisions now I
0:06:40go Chris Lattner hates with them whenever one already compiler it or the
0:06:43reverse Chris later love directing swept me know that people like everyone is
0:06:47always looking for the sensational headline top story especially if
0:06:51someone's think it's repeated around and around and everyone at Apple like that
0:06:54the people who would the source's information were silent any one of these
0:06:57things could invite spiraled into like three years now becomes accepted wisdom
0:07:01that Chris lider never write one to read the compiler and sweat just BS and I
0:07:05just love the fact
0:07:06in the age of Twitter he could say you know what tweet tweet done I have now
0:07:10sort of like adjusted the record to more accurately represent the complex nuanced
0:07:16position that I have and even do that in two tweets right
0:07:19combined with all the things he said to people WBC is yet another example of a
0:07:25whole new Apple PR world which is exciting final follow-up
0:07:30wanted to tell us about TRIM support I think we also talked about trim force
0:07:35the the command that will let you enable trimming your eyes as these even though
0:07:39Apple doesn't want to and at that big scary warning you can enable of
0:07:43interviews they don't blame us so 1010 for is out now it has this thing in it I
0:07:48believe upgraded at work and at home yet I didn't look with a commanding I'm
0:07:51assuming it's there and last year I said you know like I'm not going to use it
0:07:56until I have problems and I had said something like I know probably will have
0:08:00the same as me and have terminated everything is fine but I don't want to
0:08:03be the guinea pig and I'm not going to rest until a problems and a bunch of
0:08:07people send me links to a couple of stories that describes some of some of
0:08:12the hard hard drives whatever the hell you called some of the solid state
0:08:15drives the do have problems of the term commander you enable trimming them they
0:08:18accidentally erases the wrong blocks of data and just destroy your data for you
0:08:23and on that list of Dr that may or may not have this problem according to
0:08:27various people stories is my drive a lovely you know and so I'm very glad
0:08:31that I didn't enable trim and now I'm probably not going to trim I you know I
0:08:36don't know the technical details of the thing like me to the dependent firmware
0:08:39version is it just for cued trim requests are for all of them or
0:08:43something doesn't matter that drive reports that support skewed
0:08:47commands but it really doesn't think you know and most stories involve Linux
0:08:50mottoes tense I don't know what to think but safe bet don't mess with trim for us
0:08:55and as you're feeling adventurous and don't mind losing any data unless you
0:08:58have some amount of information that you're sure that like other people are
0:09:03doing this it's safe it's been taught her tested so I'm gonna leave my drive
0:09:08the way it is for now and for the record don't you have a very popular and well
0:09:12regarded Samsung SSD dads like super expensive at the terabyte it there
0:09:17their latest greatest test model and you know a 50 per 0 ya 850 pro that's a
0:09:23that's a very common popular well-regarded SSD
0:09:26that's a little scary that's on that list well I mean like it's it's scary
0:09:30but like the OS is doing the right thing like it's blacklisted in Linux I'm
0:09:34assuming windows as the right thing almost 10 does the right thing with it
0:09:37the right thing in this case turned out to be like Appleton tested and verified
0:09:39that it behaves correctly so no trim for you right and it's bad because we know
0:09:44that eventually things going to fill up and slow down and everything but it's
0:09:48better than losing data so I don't know this thread that you can follow put a
0:09:52link to a comment thread in our technical has link that you can chase
0:09:56down to like you know Samsung bug reporting website where Linux users are
0:10:01complaining about it and Samsung's like this isn't a problem Linux open-source
0:10:04fix it yourself or whatever
0:10:06basically an obscene like it's not a supported platforms would end up saying
0:10:12they did mention open source in that you like when you say things are so when it
0:10:16comes down to a Samsung doesn't care that doesn't work but I was like that's
0:10:20that's an apples court Apple can validate this or not Apple can file bugs
0:10:24or anything like that again and able to withstand a reproduction of a problem
0:10:29say hey you drive with this form from where does this thing wrong I don't know
0:10:34anyway I'm happy with missus the it still really fast it's so nice and quiet
0:10:37still got a terabyte of storage as far as I'm aware has not corrupted my daddy
0:10:41yet so so far so good
0:10:44please correct me if I'm wrong on this wasn't the whole point of the more
0:10:49advanced SSD controller starting with the SandForce think forever ago I was no
0:10:54point that 22 can only use different tricks like different leveling
0:10:58techniques and everything to keep dry performance pretty good even without
0:11:02TRIM support all those things are true that are trying to make promises better
0:11:07but doing tricks but you need to have trimmed because when you talk to him
0:11:12when the when the operating system deletes a file it doesn't go and
0:11:15overwrite every block with zeros or doesn't tell the SSD that all those
0:11:20blocks are gone it up just updates like a single a single piece of information
0:11:25filesystem edited structures says you know what this area that was previously
0:11:28taken is now free to update the bitmap thing indigenous plus or some other
0:11:32meditate and so on and the only thing to get written to the disk as far as the
0:11:35disc mechanism is concerned it sees right to this area of the desk and that
0:11:40area discuss the metadata areas not actually touching the data the pilot
0:11:43just as I received a right to this minute area the disc has no idea what
0:11:47that right is just as that's right to address 123 and has no idea what
0:11:51senators 123 has no idea that address 123 is the thing that tells you that did
0:11:55these blocks were allocated blocks are doesn't understand the file system is
0:11:59just a big block addressable storage device the SSD mechanism has no way to
0:12:05know oh by the file system running a piece of information what that means is
0:12:10all these blocks of blonde with one gig file are now technically free I should
0:12:15feel free to reuse them for any other rights to get said to me it doesn't know
0:12:18that is like its season right come in at this where can I put the state of
0:12:21working but it doesn't think he can put it where that one good crowd was because
0:12:25the only right that got sent was the hey right to address 123 with these numbers
0:12:30it doesn't do those numbers mean that one gig of space is now in free bets
0:12:33with a tremendous for to send to say by the way the filesystem diverting some
0:12:38would say right to this area the distant to note that is files gone now and also
0:12:42send the disk controller command to free up to to mark all of these blocks of
0:12:47data as you can use those again if I was going to write comes in so there is no
0:12:51there's literally no way did the Dr connotes a different layer of the
0:12:55storage harkin the drive to know that so inevitably without trim no matter what
0:12:58you do everything will fill up with you mean everything alright also involves
0:13:02clearing out some area for us our first bunch of this week is cards against
0:13:08humanity and they asked us not to respond sorry instead sent John under
0:13:12the toaster to review
0:13:15countertop I hope their staff John what are the toast of this week this week's
0:13:27toasters another one from Black and Decker Model T 01322 SBD this thing is a
0:13:34to now be fairly small toaster at 239 Black and Decker early on and it was
0:13:39kind of like middle of the road this to knob thing does most of the bad things
0:13:45that have been discussed previously in a store of things that are wrong with us
0:13:50so so you like
0:13:52got two knobs one of which is a time or not but you have to repeatedly turned to
0:13:57a precise angle for assistant toasting that's a common flaw the other knob also
0:14:02has to be in the right mode so if you have to have to make sure two knobs are
0:14:05just do the right thing to make it happen to us because we just heard the
0:14:09bottom 10 I forgot to top it was on bacon I'm slowly making bread warm
0:14:13instead of testing it got a single heating element on the top and the
0:14:16bottom right in the middle
0:14:18they are shielded at least so that's good but the single heading home on top
0:14:21and bottom or just not adequate for a total of this size leading to a
0:14:24ridiculous five minute plus terrorist time I thought it was broken I try to
0:14:29multiple times maybe the bread was a little bit cold maybe was thinking like
0:14:32crazy long toasts I was just one helmet on top one element that is not enough
0:14:36for a toaster besides not a big toes there but whatever is not getting the
0:14:39job done really really thin wire rack like I guess you like it crumpled it up
0:14:44in my hand that should have been you know like the bread is gonna fall
0:14:48through the rack but it's sort of like the intangibles but it's not tangible
0:14:54like the things that signal quality and durability that really thin rack is not
0:14:58get the door doesn't really open all way to 90 degrees like it opens almost 90
0:15:04degrees and at the bottom at the limit of its travel it's like spring in
0:15:08vendita like it was going to break off is just not a nice feeling door at the
0:15:12crumb tray that underneath like a little metal chrome to rate you have to tilt
0:15:16the crumb tray to get it out on the floor we see no the toasters are just
0:15:19terrible because if you're not careful you tilt it and just feel that comes out
0:15:22on the way back into the toaster and now to get them out the whole point of the
0:15:26country doesn't take the country out with the crumbs on and on them so you
0:15:29don't have to take a whole host over the garbage or sinker shaken together
0:15:32I mean it's not as bad as that hybrid toaster which was just terrible like you
0:15:36bought this would be ok we get the job done
0:15:39the three now Black and Decker is way better and look at the price is the
0:15:43price of 38 bucks on Amazon right now it seems that another the 313 number was
0:15:48better this one in all possible ways this is not a great post there its like
0:15:52I was in a department store recently looking at the toaster oven section of
0:15:56course you are a lot of the ones that were in there I had actually reviewed so
0:16:00that was interesting but i just looking at them again to sell it to survey the
0:16:03field of all these things are saying like every time I just getting crappy
0:16:05toasters still none of them have been as good as my super expensive so sorry my
0:16:09super expensive have complained about so I saw the fancier version of my super
0:16:13expensive toes there in the store it is crappy jobs to their better than mine
0:16:17out a little bit but still pretty crappy lots of just terrible not very expensive
0:16:21so when we had handled the beach when it actually had good even though they
0:16:27didn't like they felt good to turn even though you can tell where that they were
0:16:30pointing like I was blow it
0:16:31indicator there was but it's really hard to see there was blood in some way like
0:16:36an awesome band doors like if I would if I could talk to people who are designing
0:16:40posters I understand you have to make it cheaply
0:16:43you know you have to have your Martin I'm not saying every toasters be $200
0:16:47right I think you can make a decent 40 or $50 toasters you just concentrate on
0:16:52the right things make make the controls reasonable doesn't cost any more money
0:16:56to have a good control you don't fancy LCD screen where he's going to have a
0:17:00bunch of knobs just don't make the mistakes of like having to turn a little
0:17:03taking things to the right angle every time I'm by the way to the store also
0:17:06takes the quieter take but it does take like having buttons like I think you can
0:17:12do a reasonable set of controls that combines the best of knobs and buttons
0:17:16have a door that feels good to open and close have a wire rack that feels like
0:17:20it's 30 does that really cost that much more like it the box by the door in
0:17:24Sanaa been a tray
0:17:25trade on those things make an ice storm makes a nice knives make an ice tray I
0:17:33don't think that asking for everything I do and I feel like it was a mission to
0:17:38get some kids toys which also have to be cheap but they also have to be durable
0:17:42the toys unlike the doors and stuff like the little fisher-price toys and
0:17:47everything feels so much better than old so I continue to be disappointed with
0:17:50that toaster oven this one is not as bad as the hybrid 0 service in new low bar
0:17:54but it seems like the late there's only basically two prices the toaster ovens
0:18:01are there either
0:18:02$40 or $200 and it seems like among the $40 ones that you've reviewed that they
0:18:09almost all you can get good elements in Alton like you can if you take the best
0:18:14parts of each one and put them all together you could make a good toaster
0:18:19so it seemed to get his ok toaster like asking for is not amazing but it's
0:18:23there's nothing in comparison it doesn't feel like it's going to fall apart
0:18:27did you know it does the job consistently in a reasonable manner
0:18:32now this toaster I see on the front here at advertising that it has even toast
0:18:36technology were you able to test the even toast technology and doesn't
0:18:40senator that claimed it was reasonably even but if five minutes if you know
0:18:45it's probably pretty easy to do even those things to do it's super slow when
0:18:49you have a really hot element that's when you get hot spots if you take five
0:18:52minutes sure yet my son even across the bread and you know being right in the
0:18:55middle of each thing probably helps you have four elements against your bottom
0:19:00into on top and you just have the two pieces of toast like it if you don't
0:19:03sort of center them over the elements are small enough and is only one element
0:19:07and in the middle that if you just take toasted their don't think about your
0:19:10probably gonna stick it somewhere around the middle back different was it will
0:19:12come out even so it was fun like it you know if you wanna wait five minutes here
0:19:16does that will get the job done and finally did these staff at the store
0:19:20recognize you know this is the coles is not yet but I mean how many professional
0:19:27travel reviewers are there in the world maybe like three I don't know
0:19:32no one came to help me at all which is buckles is like a child in need any help
0:19:36just mentioned you mentioned the to price ranges like 4200
0:19:42the other thing that kills me is the $200 ones don't feel like $200 plans
0:19:45again if you made to make a metal box with the door knobs and you give me $200
0:19:49to do it I would make damn sure those door the doors are better like the doors
0:19:52have little rubber stops in the open and closed the door my actual total which
0:19:57still Springs closing tries to bring you but I guess I just my particular model
0:20:02Medical Unit and not all this model because everyone else asked about the
0:20:06total is a no my door stays up in time but anyway the doors are better for the
0:20:10knobs they're just a maybe it's just that the Breville 100 make such a
0:20:13terrible nah but feels like a snap together plastic model from the eighties
0:20:18the nada just barely hanging on that it is terrible to turn their wobbly like
0:20:22I'm the fancy one they made them like fate chrome like shiny you know again
0:20:25like it like a snap together model like when you have the you know chrome
0:20:30finished wheels on your car like their shiny plastic for $250 months and had to
0:20:37give me a metal knob beginning in the middle east feels good turned in my hand
0:20:42well this is this is like a fight here is like this applies to so many
0:20:47different categories of things we're like you know well thanks let the crimes
0:20:52against humanity for sponsoring our show once again so yeah so what time that I
0:20:59love it yet
0:21:12disappointed so many things like you know you have you have like used to have
0:21:17like you know cheap good and then commercial / pro in so many things
0:21:23electronics appliances stuff like that and now you still have cheap good and
0:21:30commercial / pro price points on things but it seems like the middle tier there
0:21:35like the the prosumer kind of level that in so many things is now just like the
0:21:42same cheap garbage that the cheap one is made out of doesn't last any longer
0:21:47isn't of much higher quality just has like more bells and whistles on it but
0:21:51it's still a cheap quality thing that you're just paying $200 for anything
0:21:56toaster ovens in particular from the original hypocritical upset about this
0:22:00was totally worth in more diverse because like there are so many more
0:22:03toasters in all different shapes and sizes but all the more crappy here and I
0:22:06don't think that's true across the board of a great examples like many Japanese
0:22:11car hundred Toyota cars the knobs and stuff those feel great compared to
0:22:14toaster not like they're not as nice as obviously BMW or Lexus and Mercedes
0:22:18controls but they're really really good they put every toasters shaming you get
0:22:22that in a Honda Fit for Life $15,000 the cheapest car you can get like they still
0:22:27have nice to turn stocks night like in the grand scheme nothing like just this
0:22:32pieces of crap that Iran $200 toasters I feel like it is possible at the price
0:22:37point they wanna hit if they cared about it because you don't have to do all the
0:22:40bells and whistles you don't have to do the actual expensive things and having
0:22:43more key element having a little computer and having LCD screen and crap
0:22:47like that like we understand you have to hit a price point
0:22:49pare it down to just heating elements simple you know mechanical analog
0:22:55controls for them a box in a door and just concentrate on the few elements
0:22:58that you touch make the nice met with the cheap car companies do that discards
0:23:01don't happen to feature the Honda Fit does not have a camera that shows you
0:23:04around your car of a composite of a bunch of cameras the corners you Garcia
0:23:08park that scraping you're actually feature here we also know it is it's
0:23:12great but like the money for that they have the money for a bunch of plastic on
0:23:16the dashboard plastic wheel and and they they find a way to make parts that are
0:23:22cheap
0:23:23that are simple to assemble and that feel not like he's okay so what our
0:23:29first topic this week we have we have followed from the chat rooms by mukasey
0:23:35put in there I have no idea what you're talking about
0:23:38Jeremy says real-time follow-up from our secret anonymous tipster hangs on the
0:23:44chat room every week or as stars were able to tell same guy says Apple Samsung
0:23:48808 xxx mean the 848 whatever series firmware is not the same as retail
0:23:54drives we fix the bugs I don't know what that means but I bought mine you know
0:23:58for Amazon or whatever it's not apples apple ship devices with Samsung 800
0:24:04series will they have it they have like Samsung manufactured sticks in a in
0:24:09their various like like the Mac Pro i think thats a tan at the Samsung SSD
0:24:13stick and stuff like that but it's not it's not like packaged in a 2.5 inch
0:24:16drive enclosure with us but this early tape on the back like it's it's just
0:24:20like it in a little sticks they put on their computer so that counts is like
0:24:23the 800 series even though obviously looks nothing like the things you buy
0:24:26from retail
0:24:27like the Edit if you're saying now that those are just variants of normal
0:24:30Samsung SSD so yeah I'm sure like you know the Samsung giant serial number you
0:24:35know mSATA stick thing is saying every brand 840 pro as well that doesn't help
0:24:41me or anyone else who bought you know commercial third-party buy directly from
0:24:46you know Samsung branded thing that looks like you know little two and a
0:24:51half inch drive but I can't abandon ship since I but anyway yeah Apple tends to
0:24:54do that doesn't mean that you know Apple qualifies day drives to work with trim
0:24:58or not and you know they test them and make sure they work so if you're buying
0:25:03their party stuff Apple's the fault is no we won't be able to him for you
0:25:07because we haven't tested you thing and be careful if you haven't tested it
0:25:11either and I don't know if you know people have the option of trying to fix
0:25:15the firmware and their Samsung 850 retail drives I would not recommend that
0:25:19and the tipsters saying that yes the Apple drives are just variants of normal
0:25:26Samsung SSDs have you guys ever run a firmware update on a disc of any sort i
0:25:33think i think i have
0:25:34used to have to like boot into dust to do it on lobby Dr Germany and so I would
0:25:39use like you like virtual PC this is back in the day you know for x86 max use
0:25:43Virtual PC to be able to use the virtual floppy drive thing to get it to see my
0:25:50dress was this convoluted terrifying thing but you know at that point the
0:25:53driver empty like I would make sure like before I attempt this at all the data
0:25:57off the drive so then I guess worst-case scenario I brick it had to send it back
0:26:00and they sent me a new one but I have done it now I don't think I have
0:26:05I don't like once and it was one of those it was like it was embarrassingly
0:26:08lead in technology that it rules requiring me to use a das floppy it was
0:26:13too late to the point where I had like figure out how to boot it dots floppy
0:26:16image because the computer ahead of course it was like 2007 it was like
0:26:21something some very late time like why we stopped using floppies like 10 years
0:26:25before hand it in your config that says that's actually never was driven to do
0:26:31that even when I was a PC guy that the line within an apple add back when
0:26:35they're trying to make fun of dots which was you know the appropriate thing to do
0:26:38because they had some kid in the adds a nice so Apple music yeah have you
0:26:49listened to Taylor Swift yet know yet most of us have heard tell us when
0:26:54you're ready but I like the fact that it took a large new product initiatives
0:26:58from Apple to get you to listen to the songs that everyone has been listening
0:27:01to give it a listen to like the number one selling album with the last two
0:27:05years but yeah so it seems like a pretty good service I mean did you guys have
0:27:13you guys use streaming services before yeah I'm a Spotify user and a fairly
0:27:18develop one dividing up that I i'm happy enough with it that I've never tried
0:27:23beats I've never tried already oh no that doesn't mean they're not better it
0:27:28doesn't mean that I wouldn't like them or its just I've been happy with Spotify
0:27:31and I haven't had any compelling reason to mess with my setup
0:27:34and in some settling with Apple music over the last 24 hours as we record this
0:27:40recording on Wednesday night and Apple music launched roughly midday yesterday
0:27:44and I didn't play much with this with the streaming portion of it until today
0:27:50I was mostly just listening to beats one yes I was really curious to hear how was
0:27:54I like beets one I thought it was entertaining at the music selections
0:27:59were good and buried pretty early on they played a non English song which
0:28:08took me aback and then I thought you know that's pretty cool actually if this
0:28:12really is worldwide I forget the slogan they use over and over and over again
0:28:16but enough yep that's right because it would have been burned in my now but
0:28:23anyways since a worldwide radio station or so they say the fact that they were
0:28:28playing non English songs I thought was kinda cool I don't know Zane Lowe or any
0:28:33of the other DJs from anything but they all seem pretty entertaining today
0:28:39however I started playing with what I would call the Spotify like features of
0:28:45Apple music so that is to say I wanna play such-and-such album by such and
0:28:50such artists right now and it works just fine but I i've been thinking about it a
0:28:59lot since I've been fiddling with it around lunchtime today and I a good way
0:29:04to describe it but I don't like it and I feel the best way I can describe it and
0:29:10I can't decide if I if this was the opinion I had before I even tried it and
0:29:16so now I'm just getting my experience to my previously held opinion but it felt
0:29:22like it's it's a bunch of stuff just stapled onto the side of iTunes which is
0:29:25already relatively confusing to me to begin with because I don't use iTunes
0:29:29very often and it just felt weird whereas Spotify it has many of its own
0:29:37UI issues it has many many problems and many many poor choices
0:29:42but by and large it does not take me long to figure out how to go to a
0:29:47particular I'll album to particular artist to perform a particular operation
0:29:52whereas as an example I wanted to listen to our wanted to see the activity-based
0:29:59playlist that they had set up front of the show underscore had starkly pointed
0:30:04out that they have a getting it on
0:30:06playlist I believe it's called and so is going to look and see like what these
0:30:10play this morning what options they were and it took me literally five minutes to
0:30:14find it because I thought it would be in the either the playlist section but no
0:30:18that was my playlists in iTunes traditional iTunes then I thought it
0:30:22would be in the for use section but no they weren't for me and so I went
0:30:27looking in every section except the section that it was in which was I think
0:30:30because clearly all these players should be in the new section and so I know I
0:30:37just am NOT saying I don't like it I'm not saying I'm not going to switch to it
0:30:41I very well may switch to it but minus impression is beach month Apple music as
0:30:47a streaming on demand service come to the side have really decided yet you
0:30:54know when Apple did photos recently felt like a kind of wipe the slate clean of
0:31:00all of their past everything had accumulated a lot of history with a
0:31:03butter knife photo and clearly they like I do over start over from scratch
0:31:08let's bring only what we need with us and give us sort of migration path
0:31:12and the same thing but like the photo streams that kind of kept those on but
0:31:15they they you know they've been conceptualized a little bit in the news
0:31:19service and I called photo library like it was their chance to put a big reset
0:31:24button and Apple music and gaming what product naming lies looks like you know
0:31:29what to do with iTunes and iTunes Match and this that and the other thing was
0:31:32you know Apple music let's reset new name was gonna start over but as casey
0:31:36just point out they did it but they did with took the existing mess which
0:31:40involves iTunes in a bunch of other crap and added more stuff to like even iTunes
0:31:44Match still around and is confusingly different commissioner Attorney had a
0:31:48good article today explaining do I need iTunes Match about music just want one
0:31:54of the out there are there differences what are the differences its
0:31:57supercomputing this before you even get into so the little icon on my iphone has
0:32:01changed and now i cant find anything anymore and by the way iTunes 12 2
0:32:04continues to have a music in it but continues to have more different changes
0:32:09in the music right but it doesn't have the the streaming stuff and iTunes now
0:32:14iTunes on the desktop that the new version came out like a few hours after
0:32:17it launched a sorry have a musical that has everything alright so much before it
0:32:23had been updated because the body count yeah right like it this is these are
0:32:27features on top of all the existing other features some features are
0:32:30superseded and replaced by new ones some are not
0:32:33and something several different names and their different places so it's not
0:32:36the sort of clean sheet reset which makes some sense because it is an
0:32:40additive think it's a bad thing where you could download and buy music already
0:32:43had that thing where you could review CDs and organize music and nearly had
0:32:46all these things and podcasts and seeking your iOS devices and you can do
0:32:50in iTunes streaming service now have all had this radio station and we also have
0:32:56liked
0:32:57point is a lot of crap in there and for someone like me who doesn't like I have
0:33:01Spotify installed and used it a few times but some like me it's not like I
0:33:04tend to just wanna listen to my music although the stuff is a look at all the
0:33:10stuff and think in what way does this either help or hurt my ability to listen
0:33:16to music the way I know he listened to it is it going to for example scramble
0:33:19all my album and artist metadata some people reporting the new version of
0:33:22iTunes is done to them if they had previously used iTunes Match will let me
0:33:26say get higher bitrate deer and perversions of songs that I read from CD
0:33:30many years ago and iTunes Match said that there was a good feature was a plus
0:33:34will let me not have access to all my music on my phone but not have to have a
0:33:38museum out again iTunes Match that that was a plus
0:33:41Apple music stopped I feel like as neutral or minus because it makes it
0:33:44harder for me to find things that I want to find and the sort of TV you know
0:33:48bug's point oh really so whatever you know this is kinda like beats music to
0:33:53whatever their their services go before make me worry about it so I did sign up
0:33:58for the trial but I'm a little bit afraid of the new version of iTunes on a
0:34:03Mac and I guess maybe look into the streaming things and try but like it was
0:34:08not a slam on their service I can't really judge it because I'm not a stream
0:34:11music kind of person like I was never intended other ones I installed you
0:34:14there I'm mostly looking at it as a potential harm to my existing music
0:34:20listening habits but you know tablet still trying to support that like you
0:34:24can still listen to music that way if you want to and maybe you might still
0:34:28want to subscribe to the music of the iCloud syncing features but maybe not if
0:34:33you already subscribe to iTunes Match which is way cheaper
0:34:36so anyway I feel like this is a very confusing situation for me and I'm not
0:34:40sure what to make of it seems like you know I totally agree with you on the
0:34:44problem of of bolting all this on to their existing very complicated iTunes /
0:34:50music setup that you know they have so much legacy there and you know you're
0:34:55comparing it with photos was asked you know but in with photos they did a clean
0:35:00start and that was a massive engineering effort seats I mean it seemed it was it
0:35:05was the first of all I think it was late but it was also dunno just it's Ave was
0:35:10a massive effort I I would imagine to get to basically you know try to replace
0:35:16iPhoto and aperture this new thing and do do it three decent job at a 1.0 +
0:35:21this massive cloud backend stuff and you know and having iOS match up the whole
0:35:26time with the desktop like that's that's just a massive effort had to go into
0:35:30photos to make that happen I I would love if they did the same thing with
0:35:34iTunes and you know deprecated iTunes and have a new actors called music even
0:35:39on Mac and have had a new music tap that only does music and even you leave
0:35:47videos and stuff
0:35:49make a separate videos at you know did just like you know this put off I books
0:35:52and that was fine they even now kicked audio books out of the music and iOS and
0:35:59and left that in the iBooks app now they do the same thing I'm at basically like
0:36:03slowly divest iTunes of the things that does that aren't music and and fold
0:36:09iTunes Match to like like iTunes Match still exist like there should be one new
0:36:14thing that income but its functionality is fine but there should be one new
0:36:17thing with various different price points in features like it should
0:36:21supersede iTunes Match in the same way that photostream still exists in the new
0:36:25photos things but they read conceptualized as a share section of the
0:36:28likes of you have existing ones out there and you can make new ones but it's
0:36:31like you know that it's under a new umbrella a new name and new pricing
0:36:35structure there's just one thing after know about not seven layers a lazy
0:36:39things that you have to know about and understand how to interact
0:36:41that's how it should be presented in conceptualized and like you said the
0:36:45implementation wise if you're going to try to conceptualize it is that you also
0:36:48have to get out of the apt to use to sync your iPod shuffle or whatever and I
0:36:52think that's the main problem is like they have all this massive legacy stuff
0:36:56that iTunes still has to do it there's still nothing else they can do a lot of
0:37:00these roles and you know yes you have iOS devices that can set themselves up
0:37:05now without a computer and never be synced to iTunes at all but there's
0:37:09still eight are still a lot of people who do synced to iTunes or who do use
0:37:13iTunes to manage their iOS devices and be there is all those devices they keep
0:37:17selling call iPod that that still need iTunes so it's like there's still a ton
0:37:23of a project they are still selling them and then they might be a new colors in a
0:37:25couple of weeks or whatever it doesn't it
0:37:28it seems like the massive amount of engineering effort that was required to
0:37:33dump iPhoto and aperture and make this new photos thing with this new iCloud
0:37:38photos library is the corresponding with scale of the job to do that for iTunes
0:37:45and music was probably just too big to do in a regional at a time and it's it's
0:37:50not time for that yet another never will be but it does it say I think I think
0:37:54it's clear that Apple believed it was not time for that yet and the day
0:37:58probably had to move faster to get you know they were clearly like like the
0:38:03relevance of of the iTunes Music Store to to buy music outright I think was
0:38:08declining faster than they probably expected they had plenty of time to
0:38:12react like that that's something to be said for the context here this is a meet
0:38:15you move Apple should have has streaming service long ago they spent a long time
0:38:20getting one day ended up having to acquire a company to celebrate their
0:38:23ability to have one but if you'd asked you know the rise of of all the
0:38:27streaming services is now I guess happen overnight and you know it seems to Apple
0:38:32flat-footed but it shouldn't have because there was plenty of time for
0:38:35them to realizes think they should have it seems like they just couldn't get
0:38:38together and make an acquisition to bring that to bear and my favorite hobby
0:38:45hobby horse with all server side stuff and which Apple credit they're actually
0:38:49making some motions on as we always do that thing with photos as a big
0:38:52community we don't have time like it's too much effort if you concentrate on
0:38:59producing infrastructure for a network services instead of concentrating I go
0:39:04get every new photos of you make infrastructure likes a cloud kit that is
0:39:07an example of infrastructure that you do good job with your general purpose
0:39:11infrastructure lots of sort of online powered applications have similar needs
0:39:14and cameras again again that's all Google does it seems like his make
0:39:18incredibly powerful and the structure upon which they can build all sorts of
0:39:23applications each one of the definitions that their reinvent the wheel and find a
0:39:26new way to store is dated so I would hope that some of the effort they put
0:39:30into the back end for photos would give them a leg up on potentially in the
0:39:35future
0:39:35rejecting any stuff of the other day but it's not something they didn't house btw
0:39:39is what it is they can't like rewrite all beats code in overnight order but
0:39:43like I'm hoping some of that infrastructure work that they're finally
0:39:46doing will pay dividends in like now it shouldn't be such a Herculean effort to
0:39:50do the same thing you did your photos for iTunes because you've done it once
0:39:53before and B you should be able to reuse allowed that work about expertise and
0:39:58experience love the code lot of the server side stuff a lot of the
0:40:00frameworks you know that should help you accelerate the when they have to do with
0:40:06the music app that is I go with the total rewrite or whatever
0:40:09all the things they did for the thought is a penis I can dream except they seem
0:40:13to understand that I got collection view that would be useful everywhere we
0:40:16should make that inhabit everywhere coronation that's that's clients we
0:40:19talked about this before service I'd ever structure how do you store budget
0:40:23data how do you get it on demand and a reliable way and I have a database to
0:40:28store all the metadata and you know how do we make all your stuff in the cloud
0:40:31and only parts of the new devices and that's what they're trying to do with
0:40:34photos and music is actually data volumizing easier probably a bigger than
0:40:38music so
0:40:39the most part yeah I think really the challenges we see here are purely that
0:40:44you know it's the same thing like every time i tunes gets a redesign the desk
0:40:49every time there's a new design for iTunes it really just makes the app
0:40:53harder and more confusing to use because they can't actually removed features
0:40:58from it for various reasons so instead they just like hide things at different
0:41:02like modes and drawers and stuff and it's like it's it's weird like you guys
0:41:07get this impossible to use application that is extremely complicated but is
0:41:11trying to look simple and they move things around a lot and that upsets
0:41:14people who like I knew where that was before and now I don't end it like I bet
0:41:19if you ask me and say okay if you knew where I was for its weird that we moved
0:41:23it but if you've never used it for the new location is better for reasons maybe
0:41:26they're right but for and maybe they're you know they're even write that like
0:41:31there are more new users then there are existing ones but just constantly
0:41:34reshuffling the deck chairs especially kind of like when they you know when
0:41:38they changed the whole iTunes deejay functionality replace it with up next
0:41:42now only two people know how the iTunes did he work but it was around long
0:41:46enough to keep her like kinda get into a groove with that kind of like a workflow
0:41:49of how they play music at parties or whatever involving iTunes deejay where
0:41:52that feature is called and then was replaced with up next they can say oh i
0:41:57text is better for reasons explained that but I can't reproduce my workflow
0:42:00it's you know not that I do you know like a desktop publishing application of
0:42:05Photoshop or whatever but you just constantly moving things around to try
0:42:11to find maybe this arrangement with more pleasing like you said Marco is also if
0:42:15you keep the same set of things and you don't want to give up anything which you
0:42:19probably don't because there's lots of essential functionality is just like the
0:42:23functionality of seven apps in one moving around just pisses people off for
0:42:28your experience loyal users and doesn't actually make you can actually make it
0:42:32that much all the crap is still there somewhere right exactly and theirs and
0:42:37theirs by the way there's the big windows question of how do you you know
0:42:40enable these things for people on Windows they need a bunch of crap for
0:42:43that there's obviously tons of technical debt here for things like I still have
0:42:49to quit my music player when I upgrade my developer
0:42:52pilar tools because they're related it's like there's a there's so many weird
0:42:57little tie-ins to iTunes that have been accumulating over the years that I think
0:43:03any kind of meaningful change to it is extremely unlikely to happen just
0:43:07because it's just it seems like it's never going to be worth the probably
0:43:12surprisingly large engineering effort to substantially improve it and break
0:43:16things up and start clean he said never know about that but anyway
0:43:22scale does come up and say that I've tried to figure out if I ever actually
0:43:27said that are you guys said it as an attempt to characterize and mock my line
0:43:32of reasoning and so far no one has found they found me saying in reply to Casey
0:43:37say it back to me but I don't know if I ever said that but anyway
0:43:40underscore will find it find someone tried and I thought they'd found it
0:43:43really didn't john Kasay saying it like snidely it was obvious that its own plan
0:43:47previously that like it come up before if I remember correctly I think it was
0:43:52when I was saying Apple didn't really need to replace Objective C and you were
0:43:58saying on different time scale yeah you are giving you getting out I did make
0:44:01but I'm saying like those exact words ok you know be called like my infinite
0:44:05times he argument and I guess it's more like that's that's Marcos named Marcos
0:44:11snide characterization of my much more subtle nuanced argument right yea or
0:44:17maybe actually I'm willing to believe that I said it I just don't remember
0:44:22so long ago but anyway yeah i doin something's got to be done eventually
0:44:28for now they intend to keep changing the icon and moving crap around in the UI
0:44:32but you know I asked God I mean I don't undo the iOS app as I get newest only
0:44:38the less technical debt and the IRS one and they did move crap around a lot and
0:44:42if you do things like if you even if you don't sign up for Apple music a lot of
0:44:48the options it seems like are moved around her hidden or not there when you
0:44:51actually have to go into the settings app and say Apple music off and then it
0:44:54looks more like the old music player app I did sign up for the trial and by the
0:45:01way to sign up for the free trial with a three month free trial is pretty
0:45:04generous as far as retrials go there it will auto renew for whatever price you
0:45:10sign up for but you can turn off the auto renewal somebody to be didn't start
0:45:13doing that I followed the instructions and it wasn't that bad it was like oh
0:45:17dear Apple idea go to manage and then go turn off auto-renewal so it's kind of
0:45:21slimy that they turn off auto-renewal on by default I'd rather have it say you
0:45:25know like its workspace real free trial I get a free trial and at the end of
0:45:29that then we'll do this hey you've been using three months if you like it pay
0:45:32money rather than just saying we're just gonna sign you up for ordering I suppose
0:45:37it would pop up then the email or whatever like all the subscriptions doin
0:45:40say by the way your you know I cause stories about your new in six days like
0:45:44to give you a chance to cancel or whatever but it would be nice if they
0:45:47didn't have the auto renew but Bailey Apple is not that far in the light side
0:45:52of the force that they're not going to hit you can turn it off anyway I have
0:45:56signed up to do that I can still find my music I am now slightly fearful from you
0:46:01know our stories of what it might do to my metadata and stuff for all my songs
0:46:04I'm kind of warily watching it and being careful with how I play back music so to
0:46:11turn off the auto renew
0:46:14if you are in Apple music and just about any tablet looks like he hit the little
0:46:19avatar you know profile person in the upper left and then there's a button for
0:46:25a row for view Apple I D and then in there there's a subscription section
0:46:30there's a managed button and then in there you can say it it says your
0:46:36membership Apple music membership and you can turn it off in there so just FYI
0:46:41yeah it seems like it's a very very similar to the auto renewed suspicions
0:46:44that they have an iOS four things like newsstand publications but instead yay
0:46:48and other things any kind of thing it's funny you bring that up because as I
0:46:53went through the stamps to confirm I knew how to do it I noticed that I had
0:46:57one other thing in subscriptions would you like to guess what it is that
0:47:01magazine that's correct
0:47:02nice although it shouldn't be billing anymore I think it's not a no it's
0:47:06expired yeah but but either way I thought that was kind of funny so what
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0:50:26music I thought the the sort of first-run experience where it shows you
0:50:31like the artist bubbles in tap them multiple times to make them bigger and
0:50:35it shows the picture of the artists on the
0:50:36a demo that in in the keynote when they were introducing it and I went through
0:50:41it and I was disappointed for a couple reasons one the little bubbles that gave
0:50:45me I was looking for my favorite bands and they were not there so I'm not sure
0:50:49how is coming up with the bug you do like more artists I kept hitting more
0:50:52artists hoping eventually would rotate in some of my favorite bands but I think
0:50:56that you know if it's trying to get an idea of what kind of music I like you
0:50:59know I'd like to tap the bubbles for you to our members Springsteen Radiohead
0:51:03like it's a good start right there you know we can branch out and keep going
0:51:06right and those just born there but to I don't think you should have had asked me
0:51:11at all because I've been on iTunes Match subscriber for a long time it's got all
0:51:14my plate plate counts for like four years worth of play cumulative play
0:51:19clans accounts across all devices it's got that in in the clouds somewhere
0:51:24right why does have to ask me to my favorite artists I don't ask me you've
0:51:27got the actual data no matter what I say like I mean you can have both but I
0:51:31tweeted this I thought it was ridiculous they didn't use information there's a
0:51:34couple of this one the anglers you don't have to do that bubble thing and if you
0:51:37don't do it maybe they do use your thing in the cloud that's the case then there
0:51:41to serve on boarding process did not make that clear to me that if I just
0:51:46skip the bubbles darling don't deal with it it would just use the information as
0:51:49about my listening habits I didn't that was not made clear to me during think if
0:51:54it's even true and the second thing is like having both of those options maybe
0:51:58I don't want to use my usage it may be a case of change recently maybe I want to
0:52:02give it time window like there's lots of I just like there's lots of things they
0:52:05could have and should have done and if they are doing they could have
0:52:08communicated better it wasn'ta for a nice for us run experience and a lot of
0:52:11people that like it's a Google kind of thing to do like where they where they
0:52:15may make it clear that they know you're listening expertly we know they know how
0:52:19do you think your plate count when you play something on your phone you look at
0:52:22the plate count in iTunes because you have iTunes Match it increments over
0:52:25there like we know they know this information we have that's how iTunes
0:52:29Match works right and even if it wasn't in the cloudy was just on your device
0:52:32even on a given device you have at least like a couple of weeks or months of
0:52:36years of play count data depending on how long you have a device that you have
0:52:39you stayed on device you still look up information I would have liked the
0:52:43onboarding process to say
0:52:45we do or do not know something about your habits YouTube easy just got this
0:52:48phone you never subscribed iTunes Match you don't listen to iTunes users new
0:52:51Spotify like let it let it tell the person how much it thinks it knows about
0:52:56your habits and say would you like us to use what we know if your habits over the
0:53:00X number of months or text number of you know some way presenting to them to say
0:53:03this is how much we know about you you want to use that information to your
0:53:06recommendations do you or do you want to pick new things and then go through the
0:53:10process and then have the bubbles process be a little bit nicer about you
0:53:13know you guessing which artist that wants to put in the mix like maybe it's
0:53:16because maybe just go by your age like that would be a no go find out whether
0:53:20they use for age but probably give them a good start right you know maybe they
0:53:25don't have a demographic information either but I can I don't know how it's
0:53:29coming up with the bubbles or whatever outgrown it was using the bubbles are
0:53:31not matching up with me like a band that I had not heard of them were probably
0:53:35bands that the youngsters like and it just would not be liable for any of my
0:53:40like top five or top 7 David bands no matter how many times they had more
0:53:45artists that was disappointing other people were saying that the
0:53:50recommendation bubble led them to a bunch of players to really nail bitter
0:53:54taste and even after I went through the bubble then pick the best ones that I
0:53:57could when I saw it like a sort of page four you are recommendations for you
0:54:00they weren't terrible that makes you think it really is using the iTunes
0:54:04Match information behind the scenes and makes me question my the bubbles were
0:54:07there but anyway the bubbles are in need you I but the onboard experience rap
0:54:14music for me was not good so real-time follow-up sort of kind of I was fiddling
0:54:21with Apple music on my phone while I was listening to you guys talk and I went to
0:54:25the Kinect tab to see what was there and I'll start by saying that I got
0:54:30subscribed to a bunch of artists I could not possibly care less about when I
0:54:34first got on boarded with the whole Kinect thing that said I went through in
0:54:41unselected most of them kept the ones I like and then selected a couple others
0:54:44that I that I really enjoy and so if I were to pick my favorite band right now
0:54:49and this has been the case for a few years now mentioned it I think before
0:54:52that's spam called me at math and science going to connect and the second
0:54:58item after an entry is is an entry from you from new math where apparently a
0:55:07local magazine from here in Richmond sat down with them either before or after
0:55:11the concert that Aaron and I went to that was a couple hours away from here i
0:55:15think is last month and I had no idea this existed I follow the entire ban on
0:55:20Twitter I followed the band's account on Twitter I had no idea this was a thing
0:55:24in so when the shows over tomorrow or something I'm gonna go ahead and read
0:55:27this interview with with pretty much my favorite band from a local magazine I
0:55:32had no earthly idea so it's a pretty cool thing so far in and the Kinect
0:55:37thing seems like it's being populated by a handful of people somehow Tim McGraw's
0:55:41in here I'm not really sure why but but not that I'm impressed that I have
0:55:46already discovered something I would not have known about otherwise I think it
0:55:49just makes you follow everybody and every artist near collapse like that its
0:55:52initial polyesters everybody who you have music which that I think that's
0:55:56great to me like a 44 years I've had this problem we're like I will have five
0:56:01albums from a band and the come out with a new album and I won't know I won't
0:56:05know about I don't follow the news that that well and I'll discover it like
0:56:10months or years later like oh my god I would have bought these years ago I why
0:56:14didn't I know about this this album and they they've had for for a long time
0:56:18some kind of like artist alert system alerts whenever this artist has a new
0:56:23release something but you had like manually enable that for everything and
0:56:26just seemed like the obvious choice would be like just look at any music I
0:56:31have any artist in my collection especially any artist for a car loan
0:56:35full albums just notify me whenever just like you have some news feed area or
0:56:41some indication somewhere emailing garbage email me like whenever the oh
0:56:47never any artist who I've bought music from the past releases a new album do
0:56:51you think that's the right to fall any artists because I have tons of things
0:56:54like I have two tracks by Azureus one track bazaars
0:56:58I I think it's ok to have that option because manually following all they are
0:57:01is your thing would be tedious but I'm not entirely sure that should be the
0:57:04ball like I feel like most people have a handful of artists that they're really
0:57:10interested in new releases from and long tail of artists that have 12 tracks yep
0:57:15I and maybe it maybe I'm working on the full album kind of person but I don't
0:57:21know I don't know some of these artists are going through it now maybe this is
0:57:25some tracks from my my kids or whatever but like the secret sisters I don't even
0:57:29know who that is
0:57:30yeah there definitely were entries that I did not know the artist or maybe I had
0:57:36a single track from them from like back when I was in college or something like
0:57:41that and I'm not gonna you know I know who Toto is but I'm not gonna follow
0:57:44them relating to the new todo album it's going to be 100 yeah I don't know it's I
0:57:53didn't like the onboarding experience which they should sound familiar but by
0:57:57and large I didn't think it was I don't think it's bad so far so we'll see you
0:58:04know anything else about music I honestly I i'm only listen to it for you
0:58:10know what a day right now so it's not you know I haven't been too much time
0:58:13with it but I like it a lot so far I've already listened to a few albums that I
0:58:19wouldn't have jumped by but because I can listen to them now for free / no
0:58:24additional cost
0:58:25I will gladly listen to the album and Ann Arbor couple them I thought you know
0:58:30I'm I want to buy this for a couple of my thought you know I'm glad it in by
0:58:34this but that was that was interesting
0:58:36you know like that or you know I enjoyed it for those five minutes before that
0:58:38forty minutes but I don't wanna hear it again you know this that mean this
0:58:43obviously this is like me discovering what everybody else in the world
0:58:47discovered years ago when streaming services started to become a thing at
0:58:51this is kind of guy I like this and I I can see why it changes the way people
0:58:58buy and pay for music so much because it is very compelling and this is this if
0:59:06everything they said pans out you know if
0:59:09if what they are attempting to do end up being what they're actually doing in in
0:59:14the way that like they have to heat the human curation aspect the playlist and
0:59:17everything if that ends up being good and staying good this is gonna be great
0:59:22for me because I have tried other services in the past I first had a long
0:59:27time ago I tried Pandora I tried Spotify brief briefly tried RTO and then for
0:59:32like a day I tried beats before I realized they didn't even have a real
0:59:35Mac App my problem is that I don't I don't find new music on my own very well
0:59:41and that the system they've had in the iTunes Store to date where they
0:59:47basically just have like you know people who bought this also bought this list of
0:59:51crap at the bottom that has been terrible for me i've i've spent so much
0:59:56time exploring those previewing the thousands and trying to go to a band I
0:59:59love and I'll see you know the people who bought also bought section at the
1:00:03bottom and it's just a bunch of garbage like I can't imagine why people buy
1:00:09those two things to keep the human curation aspect so far in the in the
1:00:14handful of playlist they've listened to that have been like the feature players
1:00:18kind of things we're loving person was involved I liked it it has given me new
1:00:22music it has it is introduced me to new stuff in a way that all of the
1:00:27algorithmic things in the previous services I've tried plus the iTunes
1:00:31recommendations under their their purchased albums those have never gotten
1:00:35there for me they've never did never been good enough to stick with me so far
1:00:39this looks promising so I'm looking forward to this and and that is that's
1:00:43what everyone always was saying about beats ibeats music when when it was
1:00:46called that that they were very good at that and the only reason I get a chance
1:00:50again because they didn't have a Mac app now this this seems like this clearly be
1:00:54something for people like me who who are you know too old to find good music on
1:00:59their own
1:01:00how do you find the recommendations of services that are say better than Apple
1:01:04doing this type of thing like maybe Amazon and Netflix Netflix I guess is
1:01:07the best example like people like this movie also like this movie defined
1:01:11that Netflix's you just like sort of don't find the people who I'd also like
1:01:17to conceptually is a good thing or is it just that Apple's invalidate his crappy
1:01:20and as people like this also bought tell us with 1989 because everybody bought it
1:01:24and there I have generally found those the recommendation type things to be
1:01:30better than my opinion of apples can you tell us about one more thing that's
1:01:35awesome then I think I have a couple more thoughts about this and John might
1:01:38as well
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1:04:33so I wanted to quickly build on what you're saying Marco about streaming
1:04:38services I don't I'm not surprised that that neither of you necessarily said
1:04:43that streaming services at work that well for you in the past I used to be
1:04:47music listener like I think you guys are which is you have a batch of music that
1:04:53you tend to listen to you you have your library in you stray here and there but
1:04:57generally speaking you're pretty darn content with what you got
1:05:00I don't know what switch flipped in my mind but over time I got more and more
1:05:05into hearing more and more eclectic things and and and sit in satisfying
1:05:09very random cravings are very random times and when I love about being a
1:05:13Spotify user and this should be applicable to Apple music as well is
1:05:17that I can listen to damn near anything I want anytime I want immediately
1:05:21and that's what's so appealing to me about streaming services I never even
1:05:25got that into Spotify in terms of in terms of like their radio stations in
1:05:32terms of their whatever curation they may have and I agree that I've heard
1:05:36constantly about about how great the creationism beats music and so I just
1:05:41loved being able to listen to anything anytime and Spotify also has some really
1:05:46great community features particularly around playlist so for example and
1:05:51myself have football season tickets to the University of Virginia and we have a
1:05:57shared playlist with the guy that we go with that we will any any one of the
1:06:01three of us can just add songs to the playlist on Spotify which works out
1:06:05really well I have no earthly idea if that's possible on Apple music I doubt
1:06:09it but I haven't tried and so in a lot of ways but if I worked really well for
1:06:14me and I really really enjoyed it and I enjoyed enough that I think it took me a
1:06:18day or two to sign up for the $10 a month for Spotify that have been paying
1:06:21for two or three years now so I would encourage you to do exactly did Marco
1:06:27and then give it a shot just gonna try poking around and see what you can find
1:06:30as I think you might be surprised at how much interesting and good music you can
1:06:35find even if all that ends up happening is you quit new common are you very
1:06:39often fall back to the things you already know and love and the other
1:06:43thing I wanted to ask both of you guys is did you have a chance to listen to
1:06:46beats wanted on all start with you Marco you can probably predict my answer you
1:06:51either didn't or you heard it for 10 seconds and decided you hated it
1:06:55the letter pretty much as I listened in everyone's saying it's very good so I
1:07:00listened for I don't know five or six songs didn't hear a single thing that I
1:07:06liked at all
1:07:07each song I wanted to turn it off during it but I figured I'd let me give it a
1:07:12little bit more so it's fine I'm sure it's great for a lot of people it's just
1:07:17not it's not the kind of guy like so that you know how everyone feels when
1:07:20they listen to Phish yeah exactly I think I i think it'll be interesting to
1:07:26see how this does because it really is bringing
1:07:31many of the benefits of radio stations kind of back or two different different
1:07:36area where they weren't really before but it also brings most of the drawbacks
1:07:40of reasons everyone's are already very tired of hearing their their station I D
1:07:45in their over later their talk over and everything you can't skip a song if you
1:07:50don't like it because it's live and there's like he can't really go back
1:07:55even like this it seems like they have brought most of the annoyances and
1:08:00limitations of radio stations with them and most of the time of necessity and if
1:08:04they if they're going to do this they kind of have to do it that way for the
1:08:07most part so it seems like it is bringing into the modern age a format
1:08:15that is it's almost the secure morphism of radio that they copied all of the
1:08:20limitations and and annoyances along with the you know the the core of it
1:08:25meant much about is you know kind of inseparable so you know it's fine I'm
1:08:32sure people like it may be opposed having a party imma put that on or
1:08:36something right where I just wanted to put on something that would make me
1:08:39sound cool if that's even possible but I don't see myself listening to it really
1:08:46i John if you listen to it all I didn't follow us into it and my additional
1:08:52point out the music is basically just made by Marco that four getting back two
1:08:57cases characterization of the collection of music and that's that I would adjust
1:09:01that slightly to say the way I listen to music I have Mike likes of music and I'm
1:09:06always on the lookout for additions but the key is i'm looking for additions to
1:09:11my collection of music so if I was ever thought of you know the one way you can
1:09:15do it you can graze like just listen to music traveler on links or whatever you
1:09:19can also do it the same way things now which is the recommendations from people
1:09:23I know have similar taste to me and things easy on social media and the
1:09:28overwhelming recommendation of a bunch of people everyone saying you gotta go
1:09:31see if you could maybe it's something to that if everybody have a whole bunch of
1:09:35people in your circle tell you Lady Gaga and I just another you know manufactured
1:09:38pop star even though it's what you think about
1:09:40the first six months they're out maybe you should look at you know but the
1:09:44whole activity is do a bunch of crap and add to my collection of music so it's
1:09:48not a static election to does grow and it grows slowly right but I had not just
1:09:53new songs but entire new artists and new bands get added to the collection so it
1:09:58is an anagram thing but the essential question is when it comes time to listen
1:10:01to music do you want to listen to a bunch of music by somebody else or
1:10:06listen to your music and listen to your music doesn't mean that you don't ever
1:10:10want to change your music you do you want year you want to discover like
1:10:14market you want to discover new music that you will like it's just a
1:10:17difference when it comes time to do the listening part not the Discovery Park
1:10:20what do you want to do and I just wanna listen to my music great so that's why
1:10:24in Diamond Bar listen to beats one which i think is probably fine but this is not
1:10:27how to listen to music and the other a lot of music that market is getting out
1:10:31was a lot of other people talking about this this is not that you know people
1:10:36talk about as it battles a percentage of this Spotify Rdio all these things are
1:10:41interesting in that they are bringing radio to a generation of people who are
1:10:47much younger than us obvious they who didn't grow up with radio as as big a
1:10:51dominant force in their life as it was in our lives right now they didn't know
1:10:55radio was delivered everybody but like the kids of the iPod generation when it
1:11:00was technically feasible for you to have a huge collection music with you at all
1:11:04times that enable the lot more people to do what I do I just have a massive
1:11:08collection of your music and listen to that instead of just saying I'm gonna
1:11:12listen to these things coming over the airwaves you know good transit you're
1:11:16ready you couldn't have your whole record collection with you is gigantic
1:11:18like you need to record player needs to be not counting on you know even CD
1:11:22players with skip protection like you have one or two CDs right the people who
1:11:26grew up in the iPod error this whole concept of someone else is going to pick
1:11:30a bunch of songs and play into me alive is something that they're familiar with
1:11:35tangentially but wasn't their primary interface to Music City some novelty do
1:11:40it like this sort of the radio secure morphism
1:11:43it's it's it's kind of retro and is also is also a novel and some people like
1:11:47that everything like if your tastes aligns well with taste of the person
1:11:51whose programming that radio station that can be good for you and also I'm
1:11:55hoping that these internet reincarnations of radio stations you get
1:12:00rid of a lot of the craft that defined old radio stations in terms of the
1:12:03things that you were played too little to do with the taste of any individual
1:12:06person whether it is good or bad and much more do with the weather but record
1:12:09companies were pushing or possibly paying to be played so I'm hoping it
1:12:14does away with that as well but like Marco said like the iPod there for
1:12:19people who grew up with radio freed us from the tyranny of radio stations
1:12:22because it usually maybe only 45 radio stations that came in good at your house
1:12:25and there's the classic rock station the oldies station the alternative station
1:12:30the heavy metal station and like NPR and if you like your options are so limited
1:12:35it's like i don't want to listen to other people want to play for me I know
1:12:40the music that I like I can bring my clothes like the beauty of the iPod with
1:12:43it if readers from all of that and bring it back is not tempting me to go back to
1:12:47that old world but for the people who never experienced that world or never
1:12:51fled to go to the iPod same people who are asking for an FM tuner to be added
1:12:56to their iPods for years and years
1:12:58be 21 and that sort of internet radio station intentionally removing the
1:13:02ability to you know skip tracks or even pause or rewind or anything like that
1:13:06could be an interesting novelty and if that if that format is actually a thing
1:13:11and not just an accident of history not just like well like the old days we had
1:13:15to do radio this way because of these technical limitations but once we didn't
1:13:17we never do that again like if it turns out that it actually is the way people
1:13:22listen to music and not just technical limitation it's good that all these
1:13:25streaming services are also saying by the way that not everything about radio
1:13:31is stupid
1:13:32there may still be a mass appeal to a DJ'd programmed you know for radio
1:13:39station on the internet so even though I still think it's not for me it is
1:13:43definitely worthwhile for everyone to to figure out whether that but that's the
1:13:47thing
1:13:48yeah I mean it I would say many ways it is similar to the problem that
1:13:53newspapers and magazines face socially magazines where and i know i haven't
1:13:57haven't tried to run and not having succeeded really you know one of the
1:14:02problems is like when you have something like a magazine or radio station and you
1:14:06are you're like prescribing to people here that you were going to see here's
1:14:11the package of things you're gonna see this than this than this and you can
1:14:14hear this and this and this and we we have moved on from that technologically
1:14:19people are accustomed to more freedom people are accustomed to being able to
1:14:22pick and choose and seek around and do whatever they want and if you say you
1:14:27know in the case of a magazine I'm going to charge you access every month and I'm
1:14:31gonna give you these 10 articles and going to be on a variety of topics and
1:14:36you might care about one of them that worked for a long time when there were
1:14:40really no good alternatives but now people can just find the few good things
1:14:44they like online from all sorts of different sources not even just you and
1:14:49they like that better and it's it's kinda better for everybody that way
1:14:53except for maybe the publishers but you know it's it's better for the readers to
1:14:57the consumers and radio i think is a similar problem of like you already have
1:15:03this world where everybody can have their own program station tell her likes
1:15:07if they don't like a song they can skip it if they want to play it again they
1:15:10can just play it again if they want to buy it now it's all integrator and
1:15:12everything like the world we have that isn't radio stations is really nice and
1:15:17really advanced and we're all accustomed to that now so to do try to go back to
1:15:23the way radio was an amusing in the past tense cuz its face it really has been
1:15:27dead for a long time to go back to the way radio was now once we've all moved
1:15:33on with how we think music should work and how music does work everywhere else
1:15:37I think it's really a problem I I think we're all listening right now because we
1:15:43want to try it out at school in New I'm really curious to see if this actually
1:15:47is something that that had any influence whatsoever doesn't have any any you know
1:15:52cultural presence are a lot of people listen to it in six months
1:15:56our resident secret betraying Apple employee wants to emphasize the Spotify
1:16:02does not have a deejay they just have so I'm not sure I'm my familiarity with
1:16:07dreams of his dismal but maybe Apple is the first one to try to get you know
1:16:11actually human DJs to pick things out as opposed to algorithms and stuff like
1:16:14that but yeah like technologically speaking if this turns out to be a thing
1:16:19it's very very easy for you to stream companies to hire their own people to be
1:16:24detailed like radio DJs I'm sure they're out there looking for work like it as
1:16:28much as you can pay them apples I salaries or even Spotify Pandora size
1:16:32salaries so high because I don't listen to music that way it's hard for me to
1:16:41handicap the odds that the days turn out to be a thing at some of the personal
1:16:45chat room also said that a lot of this is as usual from American perspective
1:16:49because American radio stations are crappy and maybe they're not so bad and
1:16:53the rest of the world and the idea of you know a person you gaining fame by
1:16:58having good taste in choosing music the other people here and you start trusting
1:17:02them to you pick good music for you and coming to outside of a relationship with
1:17:06them as adj hasn't happened for as much in the us- because of all the radio
1:17:13corruption and top 40 BS and all the other reason things the radio maybe does
1:17:17happen in the rest of the world to me they already know the answer that
1:17:19question I'm asking which is it actually valuable for a human to program music
1:17:24for lots of people do even though technology makes it possible to not have
1:17:28to ever do that again I don't know but I hope one day I was wondering from
1:17:34earlier is I don't see I think part of the reason why I love Spotify so much is
1:17:41that even in the times when I wanna listen to something that I own that I
1:17:44have my iTunes library I'll just go to Spotify because it's what I'm used to
1:17:49and that's the first place I think of and I'll look up that album and I'll
1:17:52just play it and so yes like the old curmudgeon in me feel like I'm just
1:17:58renting access to to all of my music which is true but nonetheless I can
1:18:05listen to anything I want within reason anytime I want to tell ya
1:18:09and anything I want you said that a few times that brings up another topic that
1:18:12has come up with me and a few other people i've seen
1:18:15obviously no streaming service has like all the music you know that he doesn't
1:18:20have beetles and you know Spotify did not tell us with because of her
1:18:25streaming decision for that so you know you don't have everything everything but
1:18:30you have most things right but for people with weird taste like if you're
1:18:35like Dan Martin really like soundtracks or if you're like me and you like
1:18:39basically illegal mashups or video game soundtracks nobody here has weird taste
1:18:44in music
1:18:44right well I mean fish you think is weird but fish is gonna be on the iTunes
1:18:47Store not the ones I listen to the live ones right but like this kind of a
1:18:54problem
1:18:54yeah but you know those things the things I'm talking about some of the
1:18:59real albums that sometimes their imports from Japan by a lot of things I haven't
1:19:02CD like they're not pirated anything this is the official soundtrack for this
1:19:06game put out by the publisher of the game and that's not going to be anywhere
1:19:09on their list of things and I have maybe I wouldn't want you know someone to
1:19:14deejay video game music for me just like only the best orchestral arrangements of
1:19:18Zelda songs I guess I don't know maybe that's enough not enough for someone to
1:19:22da channel of order but these things aren't even for sale in the plain old
1:19:26$0.99 per track iTunes Store let alone available now from Music so being able
1:19:30to have access to the world's music the only place that still true if you google
1:19:35for something with you know in your alkaline mp3 and basically you can find
1:19:40every video game soundtrack you want but an album Music the percentage of my
1:19:46music that is available for streaming and Apple music ignoring obviously like
1:19:50iTunes Match in the fact that music will upload my music all these things it's
1:19:53not like I can't listen to my music I have it it will let me stream that I can
1:19:56already do that with iTunes Match 20,000 songs amount of revenue limit is our
1:20:00year whatever but the catalog of music really relies on you having musical
1:20:07tastes that are the reason they glean mainstream as you start to wander into
1:20:13other rounds I can imagine I don't know anything about this but like classical
1:20:16music opera
1:20:17I don't know what this election is like in that like as you just start to wander
1:20:21away from popular music for lack of a better term it could be that Apple
1:20:26music's overlap with your library is small enough that when you go oh i
1:20:31really wanna hear the blah blah blah blah blah blah blahs our movie or video
1:20:35game music site I don't know what you talking about dude and if you didn't
1:20:39previously upload that your iTunes Match and stare back down a part of my music
1:20:43collection no you can't like say it's ahead don't have something in my
1:20:47collection like you know what I have no music from Street Fighter in my
1:20:51collection but right now I would like to hear like you know the most popular or
1:20:55famous street fighter themes better had music yeah if it's not there like then
1:21:00the one thing that I would think I'm using my case he was saying like
1:21:04sometimes you just want to say a song exists I know the title I know the
1:21:07artist type type type 2 seconds later I'm listening to it that's amazing and
1:21:11it works when it doesn't it shakes my faith in in the utility of December
1:21:14assure me in any way cuz i dont want two things that are DJ'd I don't wanna
1:21:18listen to rent in streaming things I basically just wanna listen to my music
1:21:21the one utility get have is it just a song I think of that having her new
1:21:25years that I wanna hear right now just type it in there and if that works for
1:21:29me even only eighty percent of the time that makes you think you know definitely
1:21:33not seven dollars a month away their charging in general you know you're
1:21:37right it's it's worth pointing out that like you know if you have not mainstream
1:21:41tastes like this that these services are probably not going to help you discover
1:21:45lot of new music in that in those areas and that's worth considering but if 44
1:21:51other roles for for the music they did it does have the fact that Apple service
1:21:56is integrated with this uploads feature the behalf whether at iTunes Match or
1:22:01whatever they're calling the new thing that same unit that basically the same
1:22:03thing that the fact this is all integrated that it gives them a huge leg
1:22:09up on the other services that like you know for me it was always useless for me
1:22:14to try to the services because I would have you know I wanna listen to normal
1:22:19people music sometimes and my crazy fish live shows up at other times and I have
1:22:23to keep that between two different apps tonight and then you know I'm a picky
1:22:26jerk and that would drive me crazy
1:22:28whereas Apple stuff
1:22:30they basically built a streaming service into the app I was already stubbornly
1:22:35using from my music listening so that I that's me and and because it integrates
1:22:40all of my stuff with their stuff that is very compelling and I think again it's
1:22:48not this is not gonna be a mainstream need an iPad but the majority of users
1:22:52of Apple music are never going to use these features but it's for the people
1:22:57who who will use them this setup music apart from every other service here so
1:23:02I'm getting out with the Cadillac selection is that one of the advantages
1:23:05one of the supposed it and real I think advantages of the Internet age is not
1:23:11only can we make like the world's music available to you at your fingertips but
1:23:15yeah we can add the videogame crap we can add like I mean rights issues aside
1:23:19but i knw the easiest because these are actual real press CDs officially from
1:23:23the companies that make the games is not illegal stuff for a live recordings or
1:23:27anything of you know dubious origin you don't have to register is no shelf space
1:23:34while blob and there is no shelf space on the internet and no shelf space and
1:23:37Apple store in the cloud over never liked you know chase down that long tail
1:23:41pro that crap in there like why not like that should be one of the advantages of
1:23:47this type of services that you can have a longer not an infinite tale but I
1:23:51longer tail then you could have one you had to put things when you had to you
1:23:55know put things on shelves in stories because then you really had to make some
1:23:58hard choices you have more runway that should be like I said it certainly is
1:24:02the dream of just googling you could find any music anywhere these streaming
1:24:06services one of the advantages they should have among their many is now
1:24:10following the tail can be longer and I think it is obvious that I do music
1:24:13store has more music in it than any record physical records for that
1:24:16probably ever existed but I'm saying you know keep chasing down don't be content
1:24:20with what you have
1:24:21go full-fledged on you know you just start with like categories music movie
1:24:25soundtracks video game soundtracks like that's all official music that you can
1:24:29probably get from somebody and if something's not there because the only
1:24:32five people interested in it just you know
1:24:35I think that is an advantage that they should leverage that the size of their
1:24:40catalog should be a bragging right and not just 800 versions of the most
1:24:45popular top 10 songs per year but take them long tail a little bit more when I
1:24:51think that's also an area where Apple has an advantage that even though they
1:24:56have not done so well in streaming in the last few years and they've fallen
1:25:00behind in their relevance in the in music
1:25:03last year as a result despite that I think they they are not only not only do
1:25:08they have the right legacy of the right resources in the right connections but
1:25:12also now they have what appears to be but probably going to be very very
1:25:16popular and classical music service for streaming now I think Apple has the best
1:25:21chances of any of the players in this game of getting really good deals like
1:25:25if the Beatles were ever gonna be streamed anywhere it's probably gonna be
1:25:28able to stop by Apple is really good at getting deal generally speaking for this
1:25:33kind of stuff and they are gonna you know they're gonna really likes it and
1:25:36everybody who they can't get until they can get them and maybe that extends also
1:25:41to the long tail I don't know but I think if anybody has a chance as Apple
1:25:45and if you are a long tail rights holder or something and you are trying to see
1:25:52which of you services do you want to submit your stuff to our or get your
1:25:56stuff on again I think Apple is going to have a pretty strong presence there i
1:26:00mean they aren't the biggest gaming service right now but in a few years
1:26:04they might be in there certainly always going to be a sizable one that people
1:26:08will think about when they're sitting there trying to figure out as publisher
1:26:11as Indies where do I put my stuff so again I I'm pretty optimistic about
1:26:16Apple music I think that if anything and I i've seen only great things about it
1:26:21so far on Twitter and stuff if anything this all just highlight L clunky the
1:26:25presentation was because it seems like it looks like it's a really good service
1:26:30and people really like it and it has a lot of things that other services don't
1:26:34have it's a shame that none of that came through really and the presentation but
1:26:39it doesn't matter now you don't think I think that the presentation and the
1:26:43actual like we talked about the iTunes
1:26:45happened music app I think there is a there are similar levels of confusion
1:26:50about them because it is a very complicated thing that's difficult to
1:26:53explain that it shouldn't be this many like FAQ articles and write explained
1:26:58there is about like what is i Apple music and what is it really give you and
1:27:02what do you get when you get what you pay for and how to interact with iTunes
1:27:04Match your files like the confusion at like well when if you just have a music
1:27:08can imagine you track it down syndrom version of iTunes Match down with an
1:27:11Undie Run version that but if you enable iTunes Match will you so that you can
1:27:16match against things to get the Nandi reminder not subscribe like it is
1:27:19actually pretty darn complicated like I think what you're saying is the benefits
1:27:23are there like that didn't do a good job of explaining what the benefits are but
1:27:27I think the product offering and the touch points of like how do I use our
1:27:32music how do I use it on my Mac OS device what do I get when I pay our
1:27:37money how can access the things that I got that is just as mental models the
1:27:42presentation underneath it all once you start figuring out where everything is
1:27:45the actual benefits oh now I can listen to music that I like or discover new
1:27:50music that seems to be good but I think the bed with you know it is not the
1:27:54clean sheet approach that that photos talk conceptually or software wise and
1:28:00that i think is actually reflection of their poorly explained at that time
1:28:05not finalized deal for all their music with all their products so I think
1:28:09there's there's work to do that and that may I think it will slow adoption
1:28:13doesn't do metal music to a ping like death
1:28:16basically you could say it pretty much anything that Apple does with music just
1:28:20because of that Apple doing it has a very high chance of succeeding paying is
1:28:25the counter example because that wasn't really about music but like a music
1:28:28streaming services thing Apple is not the inventor of that thing there late to
1:28:32the game because it is a thing any streaming service that Apple does they
1:28:37had tried pretty hard not to end up being a major player couple of years
1:28:40down the road
1:28:40though the complexity of this product offering and the weirdness of the
1:28:45presentation and the difficulty of getting understanding what you're
1:28:48getting
1:28:49I think we'll only potentially slow adoption but in the end
1:28:53streaming services of thing that people want and I'll has one and if you
1:28:59actually find your way to start using it seems like people think it's pretty cool
1:29:03so I would project reasonable success for this thing over the next few years
1:29:08unless Apple really dropped the ball somehow alright thanks to our three
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1:29:22the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental
1:29:32John
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1:29:37and Markel
1:30:20Safari considered harmful thing porque si no second once they go to bed and we
1:30:29gotta talk about Safari Miami need for next week but a feeling that a lot of
1:30:35things said about a non-toxic orkut I thought it was going to be quick and I
1:30:39was more than happy to entertain and if it's going to be quite no I don't think
1:30:42it's gonna I don't think it's going to be quick as I have a lot of things to
1:30:45say about it
1:30:46yeah me too standards people with the worst non-standard people's what I want
1:30:52Wow left-handed people that means I guess I don't know lefty slam that one
1:31:01marginalized groups are still not to slam in america Hayes was in Florida
1:31:07last week and holy crap is it hot there so you went to Florida in July in June
1:31:13in Late Late Late you what what did possess you to go to Florida in late
1:31:18June I'm gonna be going on this summer to its gonna be just as bad
1:31:21guess so good friend of mine was getting married and in so we decided to go down
1:31:26the week prior
1:31:28well like the beginning of the week that he got married and we went visited
1:31:32family and then spent two days in Disney World with Declan which was less of a
1:31:36disaster than I thought it would be and then did the wedding thing but holy hell
1:31:40you know on paper I think it was approximately the same temperature
1:31:44although the humidity in florida is about 11 billion per cent and I don't
1:31:50know if it's just a mental thing because it's not my weather and so I am less
1:31:54tolerant of it but one way or another hot I would be outside for literally 45
1:32:00seconds that starts what now is it possible I don't know scientifically but
1:32:05is it possible to have a super saturation of humidity where you can
1:32:09actually exceed 200 percent in Florida just dust goes into the area like a
1:32:14nucleation site and just water drops out of the air into the ground that's called
1:32:17brain you're literally in a cloud
1:32:21I guess bod so I guess these all have things already but let's learn about the
1:32:27dew point kids yeah so so how was I was traveling with Declan it was fine
1:32:32the plane was fine traveling with driving with an infant requires you
1:32:38travel with a bunch of crap we counted I believe it was nine different items we
1:32:43were looking through the airport there was the stroller the car seat easy
1:32:49breast pump the diaper bag errands backpack my travel bag two suitcases rap
1:33:01there's one other thing oh a portable pack n play oh my god yeah that's it
1:33:07this is a large set of objects so how many things that you actually carry on
1:33:10playing with you check the bags and stuff so your brain on to claim no I
1:33:14checked one back here in time to plan the car seat
1:33:18the baby stroller to pack and play gate check this stroller correctly gate check
1:33:22the stroller and carseat he was and the car seat you didn't get the the lovely
1:33:27experience of having to install car seats while everyone else in the plane's
1:33:30there's the back your head with yours correct yes so what is the deal it is it
1:33:35is it required not if he's under 20 need you love your children now they say for
1:33:43like burger babies of a certain size that I think they have them on your lap
1:33:46under two I believe it is maybe it maybe that's wrong but if he was considered a
1:33:51lap infant he still had a boarding pass which isn't entirely surprising but I
1:33:57was a little bit surprised by but the boarding pass had no seat on it it just
1:34:01seemed like something was he allowed to keep it in his pocket when he went
1:34:05through the scanner well we actually this is my first time using pre check
1:34:09and recheck was pretty cool does he have PreCheck yes because he rides on our
1:34:15PreCheck he does not however have his own Global Entry so we need to file for
1:34:19that shortly so when is so when he's too old to be a lap infant in like two years
1:34:25or whatever
1:34:26yeah can you erin go through PreCheck or like yes he gets it until he's like 18
1:34:31or something like that are quite a bit older than he is right now
1:34:34ok that's good so that the car she said we've we have not flown with Adam yet
1:34:41and one of the reasons why is that is that I heard on various I believe it was
1:34:47your daily Alexis forever ago
1:34:50Lexus accounts of traveling with kids in car seats on planes and it just sounds
1:34:57awful I think we need to two kids to car said maybe we never did to my wife
1:35:03called the correct me but anyway the the struggle of like car seat as big as have
1:35:10you would ever like the real problem is getting it installed in to see what the
1:35:15fuck alone getting it out again I can give you haven't listened to the
1:35:19episodes of this car under the year
1:35:22reference and relax but you know and they showed little demo of like lift the
1:35:26flap and the little things goes into you know the card you know how the house
1:35:30seat belts work on plans right yeah you don't really pay much attention to that
1:35:35be like whatever happened click it and when I want to get out and let the
1:35:38buckle when you're bringing the car seat on the plane like I guess some people
1:35:43who don't even buckle attended all be displayed on the sea but the baby and
1:35:46that's done which doesn't make much sense to me because this is your entire
1:35:49baby and the car seat hurdling up to the ceiling interviewing you really should
1:35:53be buckling because CNN and you want to do this quickly because everyone is
1:35:57behind you you know wanting to get through and you've got your whole family
1:36:00block and the island all the crap everywhere especially if you have two
1:36:02seats and the kids are screaming and everything right so you try to buckle of
1:36:07the c10 by taking the seat fishing it through whatever stupid thing you're
1:36:10fishing it through you know behind the seat clicking in N Things tight-knit
1:36:16good but the baby and you're done you think like we did it
1:36:20when it comes time to unbuckle that especially if you're a crazy parent who
1:36:24like pulls it really takes us to really take it you've been pretty trained by
1:36:28like to be able to fire department told you how to put your car seat into your
1:36:30car you pull it really tight when it's time to get off the plane and your
1:36:34patiently waiting and everything you like why don't discount the seat until
1:36:37ready to go but someone's gotta pick up the impending I gotta take out the seed
1:36:40in whatever you go there and you realize i cant lift the flap because the flap is
1:36:46hard against the back of the plastic seat that I just time down but how do I
1:36:52get this thing unbuckled and now you're like trouble again the kids are
1:36:56screaming ever upset you just wanna get off this plane and you can't lift the
1:37:01flap because this basis so you tell you face the flap away from the seat when
1:37:05you tighten it is not probably the natural way you gon do it because if you
1:37:08think about it is overlap the flap his face it would be facing the back face
1:37:13the flap the other way otherwise you'll be super set out of curiosity how how
1:37:18was that resolved it was resolved with with anger and muscles if you can
1:37:24imagine
1:37:24melt away from the seat and then pull it away as hard as you can try to make a
1:37:30gap and then shove your hand in there to push me you got a lift the flap is not
1:37:33coming off unless that flap goes up so you basically have to as hard as you
1:37:36tighten it I hope you didn't I disheartened you could you have to have
1:37:39little bit more leverage like pull the strap away from the back seat and push
1:37:43that little lever up just enough of a releases and you know it goes shooting
1:37:46out side of the seat probably put the home side of the plane at Spring that
1:37:50and then you release the speed and in my case put it into a giant bag that goes
1:37:54on your back like the old woman from labyrinth the movie the new one of you
1:37:58has seen from Lou
1:37:59with David Bowie that won the junk lady she's got a million things on her back
1:38:04to start putting into her colleagues back to social become a lunch ladies
1:38:08will anyway when you have a car seat on your back and rolling thing and the kid
1:38:11and all the other crap you feel like that lady but we did eventually get the
1:38:15sea off the plane and I've done several airplane flights with car seats and at
1:38:21no point was that easy but a few tips and a little experience can be easier
1:38:25also don't bring the babies they scream all the time