The Accidental Tech Podcast

123: Imperfect Signaling Mechanism

 

  who's the show right I get our first sponsor to you feel for NVIDIA cheney [TS]

  might as well call this out [TS]

  mere two or three days ago we were talking about a bit coat and how it may [TS]

  or may not allow Apple to change CPU architectures I was coming down the side [TS]

  of mostly not because because his analogy anything and I'll be mir [TS]

  actually is architecture specific and in certain ways but I didn't have details [TS]

  on what those ways were Bruce Holt on Twitter sent to some information about [TS]

  that he said its architecture specific in the same way that might be so you [TS]

  know you specify int or inflammatory pointers or whatever and see the C [TS]

  standard doesn't dictate what size those are the sizes depending on the target [TS]

  architecture of your compiling for me these days you know they're they're all [TS]

  similar sizes for 64 bit architecture stop but the C standard doesn't dictate [TS]

  what size they should be able to buy into all that good stuff and not just [TS]

  assume that it 16 or 32 or 64 same thing with floating double or whatever and so [TS]

  when the client compiler LDM intermediary code it burns in the sizes [TS]

  as the mail down the sides of every single thing so at that point makes a [TS]

  decision and and those decisions about the sizes and potentially also the [TS]

  alignment of structure and stuff like that is made at the time the IRS [TS]

  generated after that if you go to a different CPU architecture but said this [TS]

  about ending this is one thing but if you go to different CPU architecture [TS]

  after that it's too late the sizes are already have already been determined so [TS]

  the big code is not portable across EB architectures in that way and I i asked [TS]

  well what if you could you create healthy mir that is more neutral zone [TS]

  well if you wouldn't use like that that the types of indeterminate sizes [TS]

  everywhere you could and I was wondering like it's with nail down the sizes of [TS]

  everything to a specific architecture that it would make much of a difference [TS]

  but I still have a lineman issues and stuff like that anyway so thanks for the [TS]

  details on that I I was still under seal like nitty-gritty source code like show [TS]

  me some sample programs compiled them different architectures and show me how [TS]

  the big cozy up to that amount of hours writing an article on how to say the new [TS]

  version of us 1000 somehow find a way to incorporate a big long section about bit [TS]

  code because they had it was arrested that's not really I was generated but [TS]

  I'm not so now I'm just kind of winging it and collecting feedback from people [TS]

  on Twitter and stuff but yeah like said last week it seems like at this point [TS]

  it's much more about taking advantage of new instructions or a new register sets [TS]

  a new vector units are being able to detailed instructions when they're not [TS]

  useful anymore than she does not stop in arms of an armed 7s that Apple does not [TS]

  want to support forever and so or whatever that the watch is based on even [TS]

  know if that is the watch you might notice Marcos the watch of armed 722 [TS]

  target for the watch I think I saw something that it was armed 7 k whatever [TS]

  that is I remember that it was probably from Steve Smith from his various [TS]

  looking around and sweet snack and everything I'm pretty sure he had like [TS]

  like a dump screen showing up like what what what this is running on this thing [TS]

  and it was I think it was 37 Kb I don't really know what that is and I don't [TS]

  think anybody knows yet exactly what the watch but the s1 is like a little me a [TS]

  five RNA six or as some weird hybrid haven't seen anything about that if you [TS]

  guys know I heard rumors that it was somewhere around 8:45 but you know no [TS]

  one really as has codified that I don't know who alls hacking it besides Steve [TS]

  transmitted by I'd be curious to see like you know something I keep engine [TS]

  some like known benchmark run on it so that we can can a tragedy guess like you [TS]

  know where it fits on spectrum I was thinking of someone slicing the top off [TS]

  naming microscope whatever they do you know like to actually see what it looks [TS]

  like inside there there's someone eventually does that hasn't didn't [TS]

  shippers try that and they're basically well its course and you can't really [TS]

  tell if I don't even know but I guess you could kind of tell the family [TS]

  lineage of it maybe even had the exact same layout and its shrink you tell but [TS]

  anyway what I'm getting at the s1 potentially uses architecture decisions [TS]

  from a long time ago that Apple has grand plans for the future and would [TS]

  love to say replace one you know multiple ad instruction with a much [TS]

  better multiple at instruction or effector instruction or some other thing [TS]

  and if the watches bit code from day one they can do that and known as to [TS]

  recompile the routes that will just a band you know the s3 will not even [TS]

  include that old crappy instructional only include new ones there be no [TS]

  problem because they will just retarget the bedclothes ever and uploads one [TS]

  theory I heard that i think is really interesting and and possibly might [TS]

  explain cuz you know if you look at this as we keep learning more about big could [TS]

  mostly from you and as we keep seeing things like you know this is really not [TS]

  going to enable things like an automatic our Mac transition stuff like that is it [TS]

  worth all this complexity and and potential risk for whatever they want to [TS]

  do it but it's not gonna be something big like it like an architecture change [TS]

  and one interesting theory I heard was that rather than just being able to run [TS]

  apps on new you know little instruction to be that that they actually might be [TS]

  able to use the app library at out there to test while developing new [TS]

  instructions because they they can change the architecture is they have to [TS]

  have that are licensed to do that and so if they add their own instructions are [TS]

  there or are they are actually changing the chip design they can't they will [TS]

  they will now have a body of apps that they can then tweaked to use their new [TS]

  things and see during the development stage to use that and say is this [TS]

  optimization worth it and they can actually designed the chip to fit the [TS]

  apps that are out there in the world and then to benefit them most which i think [TS]

  is really interesting and that i think is a is a much more sizable advantage [TS]

  page then just be about a half a little bit faster vector things once things [TS]

  actually already out there when the when you know the instructions were developed [TS]

  like a black box somewhere and they are to have i think a very good body of code [TS]

  like it's nice that they can testing into real-world third party apps insist [TS]

  their body after doing weird stuff and may be able to have as many games or [TS]

  whatever but I think they have a an adequate code business what they've been [TS]

  doing all the things all the DNA whatever chips they've made they use [TS]

  their own applications they use the OS itself they use their own frameworks [TS]

  like I don't think they're hurting for some code test against I think it's nice [TS]

  that they have no third-party code there but I wonder like but millions of apps [TS]

  like how do they even decide what what counts as representative do they do they [TS]

  even know I guess maybe they know the most downloaded apps but do they know [TS]

  they don't know how much how many after still launched I don't know if they will [TS]

  they do people opted in because that's all in the app analytics stuff and i [TS]

  cant connect but it only applies to people who opted into that checkbox on [TS]

  start the says share data with apple and developers know how long they run them [TS]

  stuff like I'm wondering how they can pick a representative sample but anyway [TS]

  more more testability and more like real world test ability is good but that's [TS]

  what they've always been doing with the with their chips is they're designed in [TS]

  concert with everything else that they do to to improve things for the for [TS]

  their OS for their framework City applications that they run their US-run [TS]

  I mean it wouldn't make sense if they just grabbed say Facebook Twitter [TS]

  snapchat and I can't even think of what else but you know there's gotta be the [TS]

  same five to 10 apps that are on probably like ninety percent of all [TS]

  iPhones and I and obviously the statistics are made up but if you grab [TS]

  just five or ten apps you would probably get an overwhelming amount of the usage [TS]

  of an average person's iPhone I mean most average people sent spend an [TS]

  inordinate amount of time probably in messages which obviously they have code [TS]

  for Facebook in so whatever the kids these days are using now I'm sure they [TS]

  can if they had that a couple of the things that would be a big difference [TS]

  and it would prevent the old here's a new version of iOS known by the way [TS]

  Facebook doesn't work because for whatever reason they're too slow to [TS]

  update I think those apps though probably end up in Apple's framework [TS]

  code most of the time that I mentioned games because games are the ones that [TS]

  are going to use the least of Apple's framework [TS]

  and and they're also the thing that Apple doesn't really have any up to test [TS]

  and I think there are very popular genre of application all of Apple's iOS [TS]

  devices so things like Facebook and Twitter I would imagine spend most of [TS]

  their time and Mike UIKit coronation also saying that Apple controls the day [TS]

  it's nice to be able to say let's test the actual Facebook app but then again [TS]

  like Facebook changes that totally and have you know like the paper apps all [TS]

  crazy architects and stuff so only so much you can hang out with their prices [TS]

  up said more absence better and one more thing we haven't done this feedback yep [TS]

  just want to say it so it's preemptively clear whether or not but code helps [TS]

  apple wood could potentially help out with it a transition of saying maxed arm [TS]

  it doesn't matter what color not a taboo on nice to go to arm it can do it it has [TS]

  done it before you don't need to go to change architectures none of this rules [TS]

  out next going on at some point in the future so I don't want someone to listen [TS]

  to us and say number one big game at you said to max would never go on we totally [TS]

  are not saying that I might say that whatever I think its time saying i'm [TS]

  saying it's still totally possible that we didn't have been code for the sixty [TS]

  came to power BC transition and you know for the RBC Dexia sex like it is not [TS]

  something that Apple needs to have big code is not need to put be part of the [TS]

  transition as they decide they're going to transition they can still do it the [TS]

  old-fashioned way and we've talked about this a million times in the past and its [TS]

  gonna be harder than it was in the previous transitions and one of the [TS]

  outside the more the downsides and global also I said I it's a bit cold as [TS]

  neutral as far as exchanging architecture anything in the future [TS]

  well but again I I would say you know don't forget that whenever we've had [TS]

  their picture changes in the past that come with large performance increases [TS]

  and this case it probably wouldn't so that that has afforded us luxuries like [TS]

  like translation layers and virtualization and emulation that that [TS]

  were possible in the previous ones that would be unrealistic in the current [TS]

  environment in its going to armed with your defining performance as speed what [TS]

  if performance is defined in the futures battery life [TS]

  so yes you're right that you would lose speed especially when running x86 stuff [TS]

  but what if batteries guilt double or triple incapacity not necessarily [TS]

  because the Bantams better themselves because our MS is so much better on [TS]

  batteries than intel is why I actually think you're you're right but for the [TS]

  sake of be playing devil's advocate it very well could be that Apple in the [TS]

  future measures performance more battery life than it does raw speed I mean it's [TS]

  possible but then again like I I think the the issue there would be like if you [TS]

  have an ARM CPU running x86 code in some kind of emulation layer even if the CPU [TS]

  is inherently more efficient which as we discussed in the past [TS]

  intel has a process advantage of a lot of people but even if it more efficient [TS]

  you still have the heavy arms CPU busily working its butt off to emulate the [TS]

  X-eighty six months now so you have the CPU and a very high power state most of [TS]

  the time so I think that it would be a rough transition to Apple could just say [TS]

  hey you know we're making this this new line max that a lot of people are going [TS]

  to buy and you better get free compiler apps to work on it because we just want [TS]

  any latex 86 [TS]

  won't work on it and if you want year after year on the on these you better [TS]

  just change it and you know they might be willing to do that and take the risk [TS]

  that people might not buy the thing but ultimately I think another a big problem [TS]

  for for our Macs as receiving the direction of the reports saying and the [TS]

  buses a big problem for armed max is the lack of Thunderbolt because if usb3 is [TS]

  now being tied into Thunderbolt which it functionally might be and if if [TS]

  Thunderbolt peripherals become very commonplace and very much in demand [TS]

  granted the MacBook won a lot of people don't need a lot of peripherals and [TS]

  that's and you can you can have computers they're not compatible with [TS]

  most for any peripherals in the market and they can they can sell ok but that's [TS]

  another huge mark against armed acts like again they could make them but if [TS]

  they if they are not compatible with all of the cool stuff that we're gonna have [TS]

  over [TS]

  USBC Thunderbird 3.1 whatever in the next couple of years and they and they [TS]

  probably can because I think intel really owns that whole thing and is not [TS]

  going to let it go then that's a problem and that that might prevent our max from [TS]

  ever being anything more than you know the the MacBook one role in the lineup [TS]

  and the netbook one as we see now is already fine with Intel chips like our [TS]

  it it wouldn't be that much faster with an armed ship it had to keep the same [TS]

  battery life might even be slower and we haven't seen sky like it's going to be [TS]

  coming out in six months or a year and allegedly going to be a big deal for [TS]

  power consumption so like Intel might really stupid game again in six months [TS]

  or years and lead even further ahead or at least maintain its lead in in [TS]

  practicality and and performing and everything so i just i don't see a [TS]

  future of our max I really don't i i i do I think it's something that everyone [TS]

  talks about it this this rumor unicorn foal wouldn't it be great we have [TS]

  infinite battery life and the truth is not only would it not be that great not [TS]

  only would it not have a good about life as you think to get the kind of [TS]

  performance we would need to make it usable but also even if it gave us tons [TS]

  of extra battery life [TS]

  Apple would just delete more of the battery and make the thing thinner and [TS]

  lighter [TS]

  he wouldn't you would they wouldn't give us a computer that lasted a week they [TS]

  would just give it a much smaller battery and said look we made at dinner [TS]

  because that's what the heat did so it's this pipe dream I think that it probably [TS]

  will never happen and if it ever happens I don't think it would really be that [TS]

  compelling you know I I actually think you make a really great point about [TS]

  Thunderbolt not really being a thing on arm but if the MacBook one if that is [TS]

  positing the theorem representing the theorem that debt ports aren't really [TS]

  that big a deal anymore and if a lot of people are buying the MacBook one that [TS]

  does not having fun durable really matter I don't I don't know it depends I [TS]

  mean if you know if you look at things they do not have lined up everything [TS]

  they do even at the low end you can tell it there are like they're doing this to [TS]

  to move forward into the future [TS]

  right looking at the MacBook 1 it is very it is it is a very very high chance [TS]

  that the things about the MacBook one will propagate up the line up into [TS]

  whatever the MacBook Air is or if it goes away the ship that in the back row [TS]

  right and so if the MacBook one dozens of next year [TS]

  global support pulled over USBC whenever but like you know if if they made an arm [TS]

  at the bottom that didn't I think that would signal the imminent end of [TS]

  wonderful support this is the beginning of the inflatable right and I think they [TS]

  don't they're gonna do that yet and then maybe in the future they can do that you [TS]

  know once the ball is old and crusty and something else comes along that maybe [TS]

  can be powered by ARM chip set maybe that time will come you know on [TS]

  different time scale but you know for the next five years or whatever I don't [TS]

  see it happening by Intel give the money back to the shareholders [TS]

  just use their fab their technology yeah we talked about as many Pashos if you [TS]

  think this is an incomplete discussion of Intel vs arm on the Mac you're right [TS]

  I don't know what the old show number as well but suffice it to say that we [TS]

  talked about this a lot [TS]

  the only point I wanted to make with the big code is neutral did not help so [TS]

  whatever whatever announces we had before and whatever you have on it now [TS]

  code is not I assume you would agree Marco because it's not a factor in your [TS]

  your analysis of whether an arm and neck makes sense not at all no i i don't [TS]

  think it's irrelevant really in the slightest because it it doesn't enable [TS]

  that happen usually and you know all the all the other problems don't do the [TS]

  software so I would say that Apple having sort of the Quorum Court their [TS]

  own compiler being like that the driving force between behind LVM playing and [TS]

  what's not and having their only language those are positive factors in [TS]

  any CPU architecture change in the future and arguably as they make their [TS]

  new ARM chips for iOS devices they are sort of changing architectures because [TS]

  like you know the architecture is armed 7 on 7s I'm 70 K those are the same as [TS]

  going from armed x86 [TS]

  but Apple is changing architecture and it is important it does make it easier [TS]

  for them to make those changes the fact that they only control all of this or [TS]

  not really on I don't know how to phrase this but the fact that they are the [TS]

  driving force behind their own compiler and now their own language and it has [TS]

  all the features that does help them do these little things but just kind of the [TS]

  point of pic but not so much a factory and huge leaps from you know armed and [TS]

  it also helps that as time goes on [TS]

  more people are writing more code in higher-level ways where the byte order [TS]

  and the size of a straight line of a struct and this and the exact bite size [TS]

  of a manager doesn't matter as much anymore you know people are riding [TS]

  harleys swift and and other languages that are not sea-based and you know they [TS]

  still have access to some of those things in certain places but usage of [TS]

  them i think is going down a lot [TS]

  overall and so when Apple eventually needs to make that transition to some of [TS]

  their architecture where they have to make a change in something like my order [TS]

  or you know is worth size 20 thing you know struggle and stuff like that if [TS]

  they have to make a change that would that would be beyond the abilities of [TS]

  big code iron over I think it it would not be as painful as it was in the past [TS]

  forward for software developers so speaking of Swift tell us about swifty [TS]

  john was a minor point that I forgot to get to the last show we talked about [TS]

  swift too and that is that the people making swift to insist on and the whole [TS]

  deal with people who are making that language and the people who are making [TS]

  playing you know him for that matter what those people do all day as yes they [TS]

  talk about language features and you know decide what this with language [TS]

  gonna look like but the compiler people they rang C++ code all day like that's [TS]

  what they're that's what their job is because playing in all of them are not [TS]

  written in swift buying all of them are written in C++ I'm not busy seating put [TS]

  it all anyway [TS]

  their programming in C++ all day and that's got to be kind of annoying and I [TS]

  was thinking wouldn't it be neat if swift supposedly this language that can [TS]

  scale from writing and operating system away up to writing GUI application away [TS]

  over to like writing just one off scripting stuff which is the stated goal [TS]

  of the language would be nice if you could write all of them including in [TS]

  swift as well which is would be nice but it's not only the case and then people [TS]

  the people it's it's awkward situation of if the people who are designing your [TS]

  language or not using your language primarily to do their work is not the [TS]

  end of the world because obviously the people are using Swiss to do many things [TS]

  if only to write the test suite and and also the list but the term had a note to [TS]

  self hosting which i think is the wrong term but whatever the term is more than [TS]

  I thought that's right maybe I do not look at Wikipedia page and read the [TS]

  definition they had there and didn't see exactly right but anyway I believe it's [TS]

  called free booting making up these terms now know that's a real word [TS]

  alright well anyway I rather than use the term for it but I'm not sure I'm [TS]

  just going to explain the thing I think it would be great if the people who are [TS]

  working on the Swiss language can also write this book compiler and swift and [TS]

  clientele the am so pleased that would really prove the sort of lower end of [TS]

  Swiss useless if you know that would be a proof of concept for the language see [TS]

  we can use this language to write the compiler the composites language and [TS]

  composite language in fact this is a great language compilers in that is not [TS]

  have not yet been demonstrated as far as I'm aware we don't know rapid using [TS]

  sweat because they're super secretive and stuff and it's not open source yet [TS]

  so other people aren't using it but I think they would be cool and I think the [TS]

  people dying spoken like a true because they like C++ so much they want to make [TS]

  sure they would just like to travel developer C++ and then [TS]

  had an aneurysm its I could swear and I don't have a link handy but I could [TS]

  swear that several years ago [TS]

  mono which is an open an open-source cut on the seashore compiler it was it [TS]

  declared itself is self hosting so that's why I think you were right which [TS]

  means that in order to compile code in my know you use a compiler written in [TS]

  monitor which is just that's weird but so I'm pretty sure that that's all [TS]

  hosting is exactly what you what you're looking for [TS]

  yeah I term I've heard people talk about pro 66 parser and language syntax is [TS]

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  for good things like to know about its a real-time follow-up I'm looking at the [TS]

  mono csharp compiler page show notes MCS was able to parse itself on April 2 2001 [TS]

  MCS compiled itself for the first time on December 28 2001 MCS became self [TS]

  hosting on january third 2002 so obviously there are some differences [TS]

  here and I don't know what they are but some hosting was at least in the right [TS]

  direction John pick you up so fast said oh it's John tony is being really up to [TS]

  me about your nose with this bag at WNBC with the actual day camp but I had my [TS]

  new apple watch for I believe less than a week before I touched it with my nose [TS]

  so the first time and I didn't do it like you know I was not I only realized [TS]

  after I had done it you just touched your water to know so is like three or [TS]

  four days so no such thing as a thing just want to put that I haven't done it [TS]

  since but it was a situation I was holding a bunch of stuff in the end I [TS]

  get a notification came in or somethin sued if I recall correctly we decided [TS]

  that mike was wrong about the six plus but we are deciding unequivocally that [TS]

  mike was right about now is tapping I'm not willing to assign those tapping to [TS]

  one person [TS]

  or discover of that concept had never known the no touching with you I would [TS]

  still touched it with my nose so and speaking of not assigning one person to [TS]

  a concept that is broader than that someone has to be to me that the IKS CEO [TS]

  I think founder whatever described I cross the palm pilot of V and mentioned [TS]

  that it's not the iPhone of you are there is no iPhone OVR blah blah blah [TS]

  when I was away from ATP a guest hosting on rocket we talked about var and I [TS]

  believe at that point I compared the current Jess the current status state of [TS]

  the art to the Palm Pilot saying that its kind of visa both better than the [TS]

  new to me but nothing is the iPhone OVR yet did I coined that phrase or did I [TS]

  read an interview with the CEO from six months ago he said the exact same thing [TS]

  I think it's much more likely that I read an interview for six months ago and [TS]

  that the CEO has been saying that new using the same analogy on all of his [TS]

  press in funding tourists for years so I also do not take craft this unless I [TS]

  really was the first person to say in which case [TS]

  me but I'm pretty sure he probably said it I probably ready years ago it's the [TS]

  laptop it's a good analogy [TS]

  conclusion mike was right inclusion mike is not on the news I don't think I'm [TS]

  willing to say he was wrong with six-plus though even though I am [TS]

  personally back to using my sex I I don't know what I'm going to do when the [TS]

  new ones come out this fall but I i'm tempted to try on the big money is there [TS]

  really are a lot of advantages to it and I there that there are times where I can [TS]

  elicit a concept is entirely ridiculous that it somehow he would be right or [TS]

  wrong about about what about the size of phone is the appropriate phone for [TS]

  everybody he single-handedly invented in six-plus [TS]

  or is it he he's the first one who said this size of bone might be might be [TS]

  something that people like or that he found one person who previously said [TS]

  they hit the big size but then found that they liked its ridiculous there is [TS]

  no right or wrong I know it was a joke but i just want to clarify for the [TS]

  people who are actually trying to follow this is pointless and there's no such [TS]

  thing as Mike being restaurant because what is right or wrong right is [TS]

  nonsensical I can't even be described as you describe it you would read it and [TS]

  realize that [TS]

  there are no joke since Eric is the county yeah you know I like to have a [TS]

  foundation or have some sort of like mike is right mike is wrong it's [TS]

  terrible you're really critiquing this right now and I'm just like us have [TS]

  something to hang our hat on you know let's have something to do if we [TS]

  described it would make some sense your joke did not qualify as a joke I think [TS]

  the issue here is that mike was the first one to get the six plus out of our [TS]

  little group of friends and kept waxing poetic about how wonderful it is and [TS]

  then all of you week souls ahem Marco ahem Stephen hackett decided to listen [TS]

  to him and caved largely because of his brow beating is that why is it because [TS]

  of his brow beating like I thought that that it was tried remarkable you play [TS]

  ball when a test unit but I am pretty sure Stephen tried it just looked like [TS]

  the eye and say oh my god you're so wrong about this and then as it turned [TS]

  out mike was right in that there are plenty of advantages to the six plus [TS]

  mike was right that like no one else said they were defenders plus the [TS]

  millions of people who bought them who have been big map of our larger phone [TS]

  who've been using larger funds for years and that is but mike was the one who [TS]

  said you know what guys actually kinda good and he wasn't the only one to like [TS]

  like you know ranae got one and a one and one eighth like when I asked him [TS]

  about it he was saying oh yeah it's amazing but mike was the one who was [TS]

  like actively campaigning for us on the payroll of big phone anyway this is my [TS]

  curly by the way in case you're wondering with it as we have got to play [TS]

  that we have a lot of we've been yelling about my best I'm editing if you don't [TS]

  listen to show you don't know [TS]

  earliest we will lead to Mike in the show notes but what do you like to do I [TS]

  guess is really I don't even know I guess his Twitter account I don't know [TS]

  this is this is I might that we're talking about and and yeah he's gonna [TS]

  hear this news gonna fall over either very excited or very sad that Syracuse [TS]

  it does not believe in mike was right I'm not really sure what I just think [TS]

  it's it's not a good mean it can't be complained about and getting tangled up [TS]

  in that mean like it's just that there's no way to win the only winning move is [TS]

  not the Mike what is happening this is what happens with a different day where [TS]

  everything's all a little bit punchy we just recorded a couple days ago please [TS]

  please bear with us by the way that was a war games reference John its want you [TS]

  to know that I know that was a war games reference job you've been doing good and [TS]

  the super obvious references that you should only Casey but I'm very proud to [TS]

  hear this [TS]

  that's me pat myself on the back [TS]

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  God but there are so many registrars now way more than we used to have and most [TS]

  of them are just terrible I have tried many of them and the only one I like a [TS]

  lot really is over and I can see that honestly I'm not just bs-ing I'm not [TS]

  just saying that because it's an ad [TS]

  I have tried many I have tolerated many but the only one I like really as either [TS]

  of the places in the past and like usually when you're checking out you [TS]

  have to like own check about a bunch of optional services or they can try to [TS]

  trick you into buying things you don't need or like if you have to like you [TS]

  uncheck the box that says ban me forever or don't you be privacy to actually get [TS]

  privacy or not spam or whatever so many little gotchas in most stores that it's [TS]

  not very good or even the ones that try to be nice [TS]

  they aren't all evil even the ones I try to be nice [TS]

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  confusing just overall just not great and and home early using her as tools in [TS]

  their control panel it's so much better night and day compared to every the [TS]

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  first purchase thank you very much to her for sponsoring our show once again I [TS]

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  let's talk about some news from WDC and WebKit and now there's some new [TS]

  extension points into a kid and you can make content blockers market do you want [TS]

  to tell us more about this or is this more would you like to put this judge on [TS]

  the brief version of it and and John and I are actually in the session video [TS]

  which many people have 20 I'm glad they were not like looking at our watches our [TS]

  phones are reacting attention I guess they would put us in a pic the audience [TS]

  shot that the one of the people who are paying attention [TS]

  yeah we really really do pay attention Marco I know I was watching that one [TS]

  look at the slides not sure you're looking anyway so the idea here is you [TS]

  know they know everything a blockers and the way most a blocker extensions for [TS]

  browsers work is they they have to evaluate their own code and every load [TS]

  requests every time something is requested to be loaded whether it's a [TS]

  page or a resource on that page the extension has to run JavaScript code to [TS]

  run through its list of things that are prohibited and that is just very [TS]

  expensive to do in mass and so and it also exposes other problems like you [TS]

  know it is also it it's kind of a privacy issue if you don't really trust [TS]

  the people who make the ad blocker and they're seeing every resource that [TS]

  you're loading passengers so there's a number of things about it that are not [TS]

  ideal and because they are just so popular [TS]

  much to the chagrin of people already terrible websites that run terrible ads [TS]

  because most of them these days unfortunately it's a tough business but [TS]

  they simply Apple wanted to improve the efficiency and the privacy of ad [TS]

  blockers in Safari and they also brought it to iOS and so it runs on iOS as well [TS]

  so now it is trivially easy to make it a blocker for iOS like I can and it was [TS]

  funny Apple is not offer [TS]

  I suspect on day one of iOS 9 this fall I suspect it's gonna be hundreds if not [TS]

  thousands of ad blockers in the store and they won its gonna be a massive rush [TS]

  because they're just so easy to make so the new system which allows all this it [TS]

  basically does not run executable code viewers in the browser you just give it [TS]

  a just a giant JSON array of like reg texts and prefix is 22 blog loads for [TS]

  and you can't alter the page by inserting things you can't change it on [TS]

  the page but you can delete certain elements so you can like you can apply a [TS]

  CSS displayed none to certain select their services as letters or you can [TS]

  block certain you those names are you are professors from loading JavaScript [TS]

  or images or third-party cookies are so called the Safari view controller in [TS]

  individuals who this year which was nine and so this basically is the Mini [TS]

  browser killer so not many of us are going to talk with us or not many of us [TS]

  have have in our lives as iOS developers Britain embedded web browsers force that [TS]

  would people tap links and our apps they can view them in a little web browser [TS]

  right in the absence of being kicked out to Safari writing these things is awful [TS]

  and they also can't access many nice things like you know if you have if you [TS]

  have a login insofar as you know you have cookies and you you already logged [TS]

  in to some site in Safari if you open something up any browser in somebody's [TS]

  gotta love you also don't have things like any kind of extension that you run [TS]

  like you can if the app supports it the app can integrate one password into its [TS]

  own little mini browser but most don't and you know tensions are not going to [TS]

  have that luxury being integrated like if you have any extensions that are [TS]

  useful in Safari they won't run in these many brothers and is also like there's [TS]

  some security concerns about many browsers and using them for off and [TS]

  stuff that there's a lot of a lot of arguments against many browsers [TS]

  basically both from users and from security and lots of argument against [TS]

  any browser so Apple released the Safari view controller for iOS nine [TS]

  which allows you to basically popup and isolated safari window from your apical [TS]

  sheet from your app that looks and works just like Safari is still running you [TS]

  know is still in your apt conceptually but it's a different process is totally [TS]

  isolated from your app your app is only notified when the user closes it [TS]

  basically so it's a way for you to provide this the same convenience of [TS]

  having like a built-in browser any rapid just you know instantly slides up and [TS]

  can be dismissed without being Safari and kicking people through to it but it [TS]

  gives you all the features anyway these ad blockers that are now possible to [TS]

  write will also work in those people yet another reason to delete their many [TS]

  browser apps and switches for this whole improvement of this whole system here [TS]

  where they're gonna they're gonna make most many brothers obsolete and also [TS]

  enable ad blockers on iOS and on Safari on the Mac in 2011 El Capitan I don't [TS]

  have the first I've tried to say it's not a pretty good I like it that's a [TS]

  pretty good it was enthusiastic recalled the captain o captain my captain will [TS]

  end and people who are much cooler than me to live in the West Coast keep saying [TS]

  that people call it el cap rock climbers have been calling at El Cap apparently [TS]

  for a long time but I don't know if I'm cool enough to do that I don't think I [TS]

  can anyway so so they're they're doing all this cool stuff going on school [TS]

  stuff the upside is that I would say I would suspect many apps will lose their [TS]

  many browsers in the future and i'm looking for like I wrote the best [TS]

  browser ever written for overcast I've written like for them in my life so far [TS]

  they've all been awful overcast I think has the least awful any browser that [TS]

  I've never written i still cant wait to delete it like it's still not great [TS]

  still not Safari and I am very much looking forward to deleting that once I [TS]

  can require I was not over these wants to support I was nine anyway so it [TS]

  basically in in one fell swoop they have both obsoleted many browsers thank God [TS]

  and also enabled ad blocking for the first time and iOS in a way that [TS]

  probably won't suck and is also ridiculously easy to me i i think it's [TS]

  very interesting first of being able to add blocking there is definitely a [TS]

  pragmatic aspect to it as an earlier about how they wanted to [TS]

  you know these people are doing this anyway and they want to give like a [TS]

  better way to do it that uses less battery life and has fewer privacy [TS]

  concerns and it's faster but also there's this is obviously a jab at [TS]

  whatever time and it's you know these the skeptical view a cynical view of [TS]

  this [TS]

  well they're also doing this at the same time that they're launching the Apple [TS]

  news app which is based on the web stuff and has I added that it can't be blocked [TS]

  by the system and they're they're kind of stabbing the web in the back here [TS]

  while also launching a web alternative and asking voters to opt into it and and [TS]

  using their ads or publishers ad but really kind of encouraging the use of [TS]

  their ad it's really interesting it might be a jab at Google it might be [TS]

  totally driven by practicality concerns I said looking at people going to [TS]

  anyways I might do it right [TS]

  also as a user like I wanna hear you guys think about a block or stupid as a [TS]

  user I've never run an ad blocker before and I've started in the last few months [TS]

  have tried to be tempted to finally start running one because you know I I [TS]

  know people who make their living on the web I am a person mcmillan on the web I [TS]

  don't like the idea of a blockers but web ads like it's it was different story [TS]

  five years ago these days the address so bad and and they're even worse on mobile [TS]

  is so often there so badly written and so intrusive but you can't properly [TS]

  dismissed on mobile without clicking on sucked some tiny little X in the corner [TS]

  and there there are so many problems with this and and there and when they [TS]

  take up screen space on mobile it's even more expensive place to begin with and [TS]

  and they're slow and it's like i I want to not need to block web ads but [TS]

  unfortunately I think about it now because there they have just gotten so [TS]

  bad and there's there's more than ever they are there things that obscure the [TS]

  text things like that kind of show not even interstitials but like almost like [TS]

  pop ups but you know embedded in the paper they're called pop over slavery [TS]

  whatever they're called for an overlay a video that's like a video at the start [TS]

  of playing over an article and you have to like wait five seconds like you [TS]

  style to dismiss the ad before the articles it behind it like there's so [TS]

  much garbage out there and it's only it's only getting worse and it seems to [TS]

  be getting worse at at an accelerating rate like it really I am shocked every [TS]

  time I go to article on what used to be a reputable site overseeing the Capitol [TS]

  site and I get you know I get a full screen now that I can skip that I can [TS]

  probably closer mobile and can even see the text and it's it's it's getting [TS]

  really bad and so what do you think it is i mean there's obviously an ethical [TS]

  question here but there's ethical vs pragmatic I don't know why I think that [TS]

  we would be remiss not to mention my favorite of all egregious and practices [TS]

  which is going to Macworld and getting an autoplay video that's often plane way [TS]

  too loudly and scares the ever living crap out of me and so that is that is my [TS]

  personal favorite of all the god-awful egregious advertisements but to answer [TS]

  your question I honestly don't even know if I'm running an ad blocker on my main [TS]

  machine right now I'm on errands MacBook Air still alive and Hertz and Hertz does [TS]

  not have one I used to foreshore run blocker called glimmer blocker show [TS]

  notes if memory serves the way this works is it kind of puts a quiet proxy [TS]

  in between you and the internet and so this way any browser you're using and [TS]

  any version of any browser you're using it will use that proxy that's running [TS]

  locally and grammar blocker will block ads from within that proxy it worked [TS]

  pretty well but it was not flawless by any means and I used to run that for a [TS]

  long time [TS]

  honestly I don't think I'm running it on my work machine anymore because [TS]

  accepting these this new wave of even more egregious adds that you just spoke [TS]

  of market which I completely agree with you [TS]

  accepting the ones that like include what you're trying to look at the [TS]

  sidebar ads and things like that I've gotten so good at tuning those out that [TS]

  they're not even there anymore like my ad blocker is my brain is this [TS]

  but I feel I have mixed feelings about it in the past I didn't care about [TS]

  absolutely running a blog or any anytime anywhere but now I've really mixed [TS]

  feelings about it i mean this show is is run on advertising now granted it's a [TS]

  different kind of advertising but it's still advertising so there are some [TS]

  ethical moral questions that are rolling around in my head about it but for now I [TS]

  probably will continue not I think it had blocker unless they just [TS]

  unless more websites that I freak wind [TS]

  get these god awful egregious autoplay videos in in lightboxes wherever they [TS]

  are the two couples green it is certainly getting worse what do you [TS]

  think John I'm much more annoyed by video pre-roll ads not so much because [TS]

  I'm opposed to video pre-roll ads but for two cases one the same video [TS]

  pre-roll a VC hundred times who is the biggest offender there obviously but it [TS]

  happens on YouTube as well I N two when the I wanna watch a 30 second video and [TS]

  I have to watch a 30 second ad like that on the same day videos [TS]

  doesn't seem to be a balance between amount of advertising per content like [TS]

  it would be nice if I'm watching a 30 second video to choose not to put a long [TS]

  as they tried to something like you don't see it in front of every video of [TS]

  you see an ad today the next time you see is longer by the way most people [TS]

  don't know that that's your YouTube ads the setting for those are set by the [TS]

  uploader they choose whether to show ads on their videos and whether the ads are [TS]

  on skip ad shows how long as our because there are three second you know they're [TS]

  very very late night television that to be fixed length as far as I can tell I [TS]

  think that was a really quick I go on it's like you can skip this guy that's [TS]

  already owe that which was clever and then they had one hundred twice as long [TS]

  to do their jungler everybody knows bother me more than like talking about [TS]

  on the website is that even the ones they had dismissed I have to admit [TS]

  especially when I'm mobile what annoys me way more than any ad like it but [TS]

  trying to relax in the box and do our way more after I successfully dismissed [TS]

  the ad that it can't throw the free web page because of jacking I just want to [TS]

  read the content and very often I find that like all right I've dismissed [TS]

  dismissed the add the page is loaded and girls girls grow it snaps back to top I [TS]

  do scroll scroll I hit something that goes through like because it registered [TS]

  my nap because it's trying to do some weird Yankees growing thing that annoys [TS]

  me more than add that I have a fairly high tolerance because you know like AC [TS]

  I have a banner blindness major case of a better minus don't bother me that much [TS]

  and even the ones that like i turning on are going to begin pops up like those [TS]

  are gross but if I'm really interested in the article I just don't go to the [TS]

  site like now or click through the ad if I if I think the article is going to be [TS]

  really good at anything that I prefer not to have to do that but it's not the [TS]

  end of the world to me and I don't run blocker in Safari although the main [TS]

  reason ever in a bunker in Safari gets back to what i think is the most [TS]

  interesting part of this web content blocking thing that Apple coming out [TS]

  with I don't want it because my machine empathy mentioned in previous shows I [TS]

  know how the party extensions market it's a very centrist came out for Safari [TS]

  on the Mac and they're like made with web technologies you can just make a [TS]

  bunch of little data files and images and a bunch of JavaScript code and you [TS]

  can with your JavaScript code you can do crap to web pages and she never expected [TS]

  it means every time I load a webpage and arbitrary collection of JavaScript gets [TS]

  to run and decide if it needs to do something that's the only way I can tell [TS]

  you know there's some filters you can do I know apply to this year or whatever [TS]

  but like but yeah like it's going to be somewhere in the process of loading the [TS]

  page say now by the way and it isn't everything that is actually run on this [TS]

  page at some point we're going to allow this extension to run its blob of jobs [TS]

  and then next thing that is horribly inefficient even if it like tries to pre [TS]

  compiled a Javascript or whatever it's not that fast and I just don't want [TS]

  arbitrary code munching every web page I would imagine that anyone has any [TS]

  browser benchmarking any kind of extensions running would totally destroy [TS]

  your benchmarks it's like mandatory minimum overhead keeps going up every [TS]

  time you [TS]

  and extensions like I love extensions of 17 installed that's not good but they [TS]

  were not available on iOS for a variety of reasons [TS]

  keyboards are available on iOS and back then like it was there was the pre Iowa [TS]

  State days but certainly not available I was no one thought that was a big deal [TS]

  because I was just kind of extensibility but now account and bloggers come out [TS]

  and they're written entirely different way their data driven there compiled to [TS]

  an optimized farm be matching expressions that you can do are very [TS]

  limited not just like you know full-fledged probe regular expression [TS]

  but you do it how you want because it's really easy to write a regular [TS]

  expression of like take the heat death of the universe to write and even in the [TS]

  session with my cum shots but you can watch for free you know to be a [TS]

  developer anything Apple even emphasizes like the ordering of the rules like [TS]

  they're so going home the efficiency like not only gonna take your crap and [TS]

  compiling doesn't super optimized for men and confined to a limited set of [TS]

  wild cards and stuff and then like okay and also try to put them in the order is [TS]

  the most efficient so we know as soon as possible whether we need to apply this [TS]

  blog here not that is so far from the west end of our extension philosophy and [TS]

  that's basically it takes to get onto iowa right is a totally different [TS]

  mindset and so I'm excited by that mindset and does that mean that deal [TS]

  help me help me get over my machine Mb problem to install so far and bloggers [TS]

  get over the technical part but I'm still I'm still faced with two things [TS]

  one the sort of ethical concerns like at the site that I visit I want to support [TS]

  I don't have a problem with that they run even on mobile even the very [TS]

  intrusive ones like I read macworld playing videos is a bridge too far [TS]

  obviously but I think they would slide out of the corner and stuff and annoyed [TS]

  me but it was a reason for me to stop reading macworld know if you're [TS]

  publishing website gives do not deny people their ads but I have a pretty [TS]

  high tolerance for that and the second thing is I'm always afraid ad blockers [TS]

  are going to break websites or stop me from seeing something that I'm supposed [TS]

  to be seeing an article because it is just kind of a heuristic of like wow [TS]

  looks like this it's from this house there whenever you can have good [TS]

  ad blockers are bad ad blockers and by the way some of the most popular ad [TS]

  blockers allow advertisers to pay for their ads to be whitelisted so there's a [TS]

  whole other angle of ethical concerns and enhance their best yeah I mean like [TS]

  it's it sounds worse than it is but it's still pretty bad you can read lots of [TS]

  articles about his country but you know you can install any blacker you want to [TS]

  block you want or whatever but yeah I'm not really enthusiastic about allowing [TS]

  anything to screw up the web pages that I'm watching this I'm always afraid like [TS]

  we've all had a strange but we go to web pages something doesn't work [TS]

  mobile and desktop or clicking around like maybe I should try different [TS]

  browser maybe this site is just broken you don't know what the deal is and I [TS]

  don't wanna think maybe the site is fine and a problem is one of these stupid [TS]

  extensions that are running its green things up so I like Mike than just to be [TS]

  very targeted like one of the extensions are on is that thing that stops that [TS]

  site that stops you from copying and pasting text on a page [TS]

  whatever that thing is like that is very targeted you can you know it stopping [TS]

  one particular company from doing one particularly within nine and even that I [TS]

  worry about the efficiency have that installed an occasion to go through like [TS]

  an extension cleaning spree insofar as they do I really need attention turned [TS]

  off basically the only mention I really stick with my essential extension for [TS]

  sorry which is the reload button the most complicated extension I believe it [TS]

  is one line of code it is essential and even that one I worry there's lots of [TS]

  different ways you can do a reload but a lot of people want to make a stop reload [TS]

  button on the page is loading up to stop right and then it done page then it [TS]

  becomes a reload but like the old real abundance of are used to and the one [TS]

  that the address bar right but to do that you would have to run more [TS]

  JavaScript every page I refuse I read my review but has no intelligence it is not [TS]

  just like I wanted to be efficient as possible and I could have a super duper [TS]

  compiled version very low but say if Apple get added to the stupid customize [TS]

  toolbar sheet never did get rid of like that but nothing better to do that and I [TS]

  have to add a little tiny [TS]

  X circle arrow thing on the far side of the only way I don't I'm not as strongly [TS]

  against and blocking as an ethical and moral thing that some people are because [TS]

  I feel like the the social contract of the web is not that when you make an [TS]

  HTTP request your browser must honor all of the content comes back in like that's [TS]

  not I don't think that's how the internet works but practically speaking [TS]

  if you visit a website a lot and you want that website to stay in business [TS]

  forget about morals or ethics you should still be around you should show their [TS]

  ads so that will help them still be around next week but there is one of [TS]

  their side of the ethical thing that i think is worth pointing out when when [TS]

  you visit a page that that is unknown to you that you click on a link Twitter [TS]

  Facebook whatever you go to a page you've never been to before you know [TS]

  what to expect you know what the pages like you don't know what they will have [TS]

  on there and without your knowledge or permission that page can sell your data [TS]

  and end without legs so you know when if they have a Google at embedded say then [TS]

  that then that page without you having a choice in the matter you will be giving [TS]

  Google information about you and that information will follow you all over the [TS]

  web after he just like just like John Deere what was it was it lights outside [TS]

  lights lamps yeah yeah so like it there is like a cut and dry ethically to say [TS]

  like you know you should you should let it pays its ads because well you're also [TS]

  in the pageload bunch of stuff that you might object to or that is actually [TS]

  they're actually taking something from you also you know without necessarily [TS]

  asking you first get there taking it at their their their their offering you to [TS]

  other people and it's it's it's tricky it it's a blurry line and I don't know [TS]

  why I just a hit with the weather becomes so much it really it hurts me [TS]

  because I I love the web and and i've i've grown up [TS]

  with the web for the most part and and I i want the web to still be healthy but [TS]

  there's so much about it that's just gross and deteriorating rapidly and an [TS]

  offensive and I i dont know seeing a way out of this I don't know you know [TS]

  doctors could be better social signal like a better feedback mechanism because [TS]

  right now and bloggers are still the domain of the nerds and there's if [TS]

  you're not into tweaking things on your computer [TS]

  they're kind of a one way thing we just had an ad blocker installed and I don't [TS]

  see as the most of them have a way for you to whitelist the site that you like [TS]

  and so on and so forth but that's not like a regular person probably doesn't [TS]

  exist at all did you ever think about again they're not gonna be in their [TS]

  tweaking the setting in writing the regular expressions to whitelist and [TS]

  blacklist right some of the terms of tons of people use them I don't want to [TS]

  reveal numbers from websites that I have been affiliated with in the past but it [TS]

  is not as many as you might think even among the super nerds and regardless [TS]

  even the people who use them no one sitting there [TS]

  carefully tweaking their white and black list who to sort of [TS]

  manage their list of sites that they want to give money to essentially by [TS]

  never had that kind of like fire and forget the web is better now and [TS]

  everything about it again and there is a possibility that Apple by sort of [TS]

  opening this door to mobile ad blockers on their platform which is a very [TS]

  popular platform I don't want to be the same thing where it's like ok but market [TS]

  sentiment and bloggers are available and they want everyone down with a bunch of [TS]

  them maybe one or two of them really popular everyone who has an iPhone so [TS]

  you got install this thing why because you want to add the web and install it [TS]

  would be nicer if they were some sort of interface in in Safari or something [TS]

  a friendly interface that would prompt you say that the first time you visit a [TS]

  site everything you do this I'd like some sort of interface to let regular [TS]

  people decide whether they want to do this ad blocking things so it isn't just [TS]

  like an arms race between and the blocked everywhere and then websites [TS]

  trying to BBM blockers and [TS]

  everyone just has that baggage install because it's really easy to do everybody [TS]

  gets an iPhone was the first thing to do is to download your favourite ad blocker [TS]

  and just a stupid arms race and overall victims would be nice area there was a [TS]

  better you know you could say well let me just don't go to the site but it's [TS]

  not that simple like Martin said the theory for years and years and become [TS]

  part of your life in there and just start to get worse and like we all think [TS]

  it's done on both sides of things like look this is not the way you're going to [TS]

  save your site I just look what happened to Macworld like their ads got more and [TS]

  more aggressive didn't make the site more and more popular more and more [TS]

  profitable not ever get laid off the skeleton crew print edition has done is [TS]

  gone like it's a desperation move towards the ended I've never seen it [TS]

  work I've never seen the site is having trouble monetizing get more and more [TS]

  aggressive and had it's a negative feedback loop drive more people and [TS]

  makes the problem worse so maybe it maybe to help someone that executives [TS]

  bottom line for one quarter or something but in the end it's just hastening the [TS]

  end of your profitability in your publication so I don't know if a friend [TS]

  the air interface dad bloggers the right kind of signal but people just sounded [TS]

  complaining and cursing when they go to sites is not great and the alternative [TS]

  adjustable just don't visit those sites I don't know if that's really beautiful [TS]

  what it's like you know if your favorite site for whatever news dot start doing [TS]

  really terrible add this not like you stopping to patronize now stopping going [TS]

  on that side is going to suddenly make an equivalent site publisher night right [TS]

  here but you're signing up for us perhaps multiple years never have been [TS]

  having a site where you can read about whatever your favorite hobby is right [TS]

  you know if you if you're really into like woodworking and your favorite [TS]

  woodworking side but you're going to have to literally a decade starts [TS]

  running really aggressive ad [TS]

  in the people saying like I'll just go to the site anymore [TS]

  well but one of my friends are there and I want to read about what working order [TS]

  well but we're going to business and five years later maybe someone else on [TS]

  the new site and building new community but you have the same like it would be [TS]

  nice to just tell the people to people who were at the site this is not a great [TS]

  way for you to get more money maybe think of subscriptions are like I don't [TS]

  know that you can't do you like talking to the people who run the site and [TS]

  giving advice but like it's an imperfect signaling mechanism between the people [TS]

  who are dissatisfied people who are running the site and it doesn't seem [TS]

  like we can get those things connected and just like a site's doing terrible [TS]

  thing people using the sites are sad and then the site goes away anyway and it [TS]

  seems like not a great system our final spots I recommend the irony is automatic [TS]

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  have seen that automatic just launched a new app store for the car so over 20 [TS]

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  they have first of all they have they have if this than that I had TTT [TS]

  integration and they had a little while now but there is an app for that and [TS]

  everything and I have TTT gives you the power bill all kinds of recipes basing [TS]

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  location right on your wrist license + can cook your teenager into safer [TS]

  driving if you're a teenager I feel bad for you but I guess I'll be there [TS]

  eventually you can have it automatically send ago in the yellow app so the hit [TS]

  that is a real thing so along with these apps have also launched a developer [TS]

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  with with a real-time streaming API is well they do off to provide access to a [TS]

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  the REST API for ease of use is plenty of client libraries an example to [TS]

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  80 bucks thanks for the automatic response on our show once again one more [TS]

  quick thing on Apple's content like medicare not to mention I mentioned that [TS]

  they had limited matching vocabulary and that in the session they're telling you [TS]

  about the order to put things and I'm going by memory or maybe Marco can [TS]

  confirm or deny it wasn't there a thing where they will actually refused to load [TS]

  your blogger if they can determine that it is particularly inefficient [TS]

  bring about Marco I haven't looked too far into it [TS]

  think they said something like that but there in in the call to register your [TS]

  locker code with it there is there's there's a call back to you get so maybe [TS]

  there's an error that all past you I don't know anyway like I was actually [TS]

  surprised by the degree to which Apple is so adamant about optimization hear [TS]

  anything just highlight the different world like I'm the Mac where do whatever [TS]

  you wanna run jobs paid whatever like you know even that was probably foolish [TS]

  and you know they're revisiting that now but if your gonna go I know we can't we [TS]

  can't have that we need to just get everything super efficient and compiled [TS]

  because i think im prob is also because people are going to be downloaded from [TS]

  the App Store Safari extensions and hard to install but their help a lot harder [TS]

  than getting downloading an app from the App Store so you know Apple knows once [TS]

  they roll this thing out a lot of people are going to be tapping those icons in [TS]

  there so and if they did allow people to an arbitrary JavaScript every page on [TS]

  the phone everyone's phones would be but also kind of a privacy nightmare I mean [TS]

  that's the problem with ya IIS and the watch our apples chances to do things [TS]

  like we have a chance to do things right so it's let's look at what went wrong on [TS]

  the Mac and that's not reproduce in the PC industry let's say I was not [TS]

  reproduce those problems and I was so tell us about trim support and I was 10 [TS]

  I don't know much about it I've just been reading these I just actually [TS]

  installed 1011 very recently and haven't played without extensively but 95 Mac [TS]

  and several sites have pointed out that Apple has never saw them like someone [TS]

  figured out how to hack [TS]

  capitan to support third-party SSDs with trim but no this is apparently and Apple [TS]

  supplied thing command that ships with the OS called trim the force that sounds [TS]

  also yes it would be a reference to a while I did I didn't get your non [TS]

  reference yeah and when you run it a little message that says okay well [TS]

  basically we're going to enable trim on your terabyte drives but Apple has read [TS]

  the text by using this tool to enable trim you agree that Apple is not liable [TS]

  for any consequences may be resolved including but not limited to data loss [TS]

  or corruption basically Apple's washing your hands you want unable trim on a [TS]

  drive that we haven't tested and qualified to work with trim frankly feel [TS]

  free not our problem just how determinate were always was just in [TS]

  Yosemite I believe that the kernel extension signing thing the only way you [TS]

  could enable chairman third party at his days with the turnoff like the thing [TS]

  that verified all the kernel extensions were signed involved and so now they're [TS]

  giving you a way to more safely at your own risk I'm not entirely sure if I'm [TS]

  going to do this on my drive by the way the story this is actually intend to [TS]

  enforce it will be in 10 11 as well but I'm not sure if I'm going to do it on my [TS]

  ISP's I have a question that this morning talks about Mike have not valid [TS]

  I have been added to my drive you there have no idea [TS]

  neighboring term support going to cause data loss on my drive also if if if if [TS]

  you didn't agree to this isn't that poor already indentified from any kind of [TS]

  data lost their corruption you might suffer a new computer like this that [TS]

  really actually achieve any new protection for Apple it already have [TS]

  doesn't hurt like some lawyer probably loves the text is there but you like the [TS]

  bottom line I mean they have the file system that's already there corrupting [TS]

  everything slowly over time anyway yeah as all the end user license agreement [TS]

  this this program is not suitable for any purpose promise this does anything [TS]

  success anyway [TS]

  it's nice to have a warning to people know what they're getting too I'm sure [TS]

  my drive its finances in nineteen people have my exact same drive mechanism [TS]

  stalled on their PCs or their Linux systems have term support enabled is [TS]

  working fine for them whatever but I don't want to be like I said when I got [TS]

  this big honking as they are going to use it in the Apple the quote-unquote [TS]

  Apple supported way until I see some problems if I throw my desk and things [TS]

  start slowing down then I know where to turn it I can go to you know the [TS]

  transports thing if I don't see any slowdowns and everything still lighting [TS]

  fast why would I risk it I'm just going to stick with what I have which is what [TS]

  i think is the appropriate thing to do this drive you know they're almost [TS]

  certainly wrong because every SSD needs trend because there's no way the drive [TS]

  intelligible oxen free Baba Baba all know about this he passes we talked [TS]

  about as the interim but we never talk about the same thing twice until I ran [TS]

  into that problem I just don't want to deal with this at all but I am glad [TS]

  they're they're giving a nice way to enable it because trying to hack the [TS]

  system and disable the kernel extensions signing verification was the worst [TS]

  possible way to do that is supported by its great effort in Yosemite 1010 for [TS]

  supposedly and I assume cabot as well [TS]

  alright thanks a lot for three sponsors this week [TS]

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  now that show to begin [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  the weather is fine but you know the side goes down so it's hardly a day and [TS]

  I usually crank the AC in here to get it cool down and then we start do you think [TS]

  you would ever do central air and that has arisen just to create a product [TS]

  that's like that on the list maybe next year was like if you're gonna have your [TS]

  house invaded Iraq invaded the user to put the stuff in the attic you might as [TS]

  well [TS]

  rolled in this year you can get there gonna be they're tearing everything up [TS]

  there not just in Windows remember everything is outside except the windows [TS]

  are basically still outside and they're doing straight replacement so they're [TS]

  keeping the freemen are they referring them to know same framing same size when [TS]

  this team trained and everything like bear the idea is to be minimally [TS]

  invasive we'll see how this goes but to be a million visits to the interior is [TS]

  possible because all they're doing is taking up just enough the trip to get [TS]

  the new windows in nothing nothing else is being done inside no walls and floors [TS]

  and ceilings yet is minimally invasive always is true when contractors doctors [TS]

  and surgeons I mean if they make a big mess of it is going to be a big mess [TS]

  until probably next year when we do [TS]

  interiors outside in some way to protect from the the weather and then preserves [TS]

  the inside and we can pick up my construction just ended Casey is yours [TS]

  ended yet or is it still finishing my house construction is done asterisk so [TS]

  the the the kitchen is gone except there's some tweaks and need to be made [TS]

  to the cabinet installers one of whom is Aaron's house in knows that that has to [TS]

  happen except last week things last week he was on his honeymoon so he's a little [TS]

  preoccupied in then we kind of neglected to put two and two together and realize [TS]

  that we have this beautiful new kitchen with beautiful new cabinets and [TS]

  beautiful new countertops [TS]

  the area where backsplash would be these countertops want not do not match where [TS]

  the old countertops were so the wall is just freaking destroyed in anywhere that [TS]

  used to have countertop but does not so it's not painted there's a hole in one [TS]

  part it's just a mess and so we need to it we need to figure out what to do [TS]

  about backsplash and have somebody come in and do that yesterday there's there's [TS]

  no way I would even say done asterisks gave you still have Thailand finishing [TS]

  work to do what you do then that's still under two weeks I sure as hell hope not [TS]

  it shouldn't be well it's it's it's two days of work but it could be two weeks [TS]

  until the time to learn that thing that everyone who ever has home repairs [TS]

  learns that you can live in a house that is quote unquote not done being [TS]

  constructed like how long you think you can live with your balls in the kitchen [TS]

  actually surprisingly long time like running water and plumbing and toilets [TS]

  and maybe washing machine that electricity everything health can be [TS]

  crap for years and years and I know many people whose houses have been missing an [TS]

  essential elements like that for a very long time so well that's the problem is [TS]

  Aaron and I i dont think we're procrastinators I don't think were lazy [TS]

  but we will find other higher priority things to worry about if we don't [TS]

  conquer this backsplash issue quickly and so because of that now we're [TS]

  recording a little early because of and I you know we're gonna be busy for a few [TS]

  days but because we know ourselves well enough to know that we will never [TS]

  accomplish these things if we don't light a fire under on butts right now we [TS]

  really as soon as we're done doing the stuff next week we're going to try to [TS]

  get this squared away as quickly as possible because otherwise it will be in [TS]

  15 years when we go to sell the house that we think to ourselves so you know [TS]

  what that backsplash that we should have done in 2015 now that its 2013 maybe we [TS]

  should go do it and I'm telling you that I think that's fine no I'm telling you [TS]

  that case your suspicion is right that that home construction is like a nurse [TS]

  had had listenership to it we're like when you're in it you you can you can [TS]

  look at something that unfinished or broken or [TS]

  or or just kind of bad and say let's let's do that too but once you are not [TS]

  currently doing construction once it is over 17 times at your house the last [TS]

  thing you want to do is start up another thing and even if something small like [TS]

  oh you know we really gotta get somebody here for two days years back to the [TS]

  backsplash and maybe a couple of trim pieces here there that's necessary as [TS]

  well but you know getting started from zero is it requires so much motivation [TS]

  and effort and work that you know you're not gonna do it so yeah right now before [TS]

  before you like settled back down again [TS]

  get it especially guys like that style you know like a tile backsplash to go [TS]

  between your counter then you're and your cabinets that's not a whole lot of [TS]

  Thailand that's not that's not a big job really this it's not gonna be like a [TS]

  massive imposition or expense or time to get it done so you might as well get it [TS]

  done now because again otherwise alter the John and do it and where you live [TS]

  though just just complain about it every year for the next 15 years they still [TS]

  complaining just like I don't learn to care about many things at my house that [TS]

  are falling apart as long as the functional things work and I don't want [TS]

  to get myself back in that position because I don't think your house was [TS]

  ever falling apart as a no but that's how we had an air conditioner that [TS]

  didn't work for the eight years we've been in the house meanwhile didn't work [TS]

  as relative of course cool little let me put it to you this way once we got the [TS]

  AC redone I noticed that our garage is stifling hot now it never used to be [TS]

  that way [TS]

  well you know why it's because the furnace heat pump whatever it's called [TS]

  used to be in the garage now there's one under the house one of the attic and it [TS]

  must have been leaking so much air conditioned air into the garage that I [TS]

  thought because we do happen to have an insulated garage I thought we were just [TS]

  super well insulated oh no my friends as it turns out we were cooling our garage [TS]

  as well as our house [TS]

  and so yes so we need hit the back post on for those of you who are going to [TS]

  tweet or email me telling me how easy it is to do a backsplash don't care I'm [TS]

  I know I'm incapable no matter what you think you know in order to make this job [TS]

  doable I promise you I'm an apt it's not going to happen I'm good with ones and [TS]

  zeros I'm good with flapping my gums and that's about where it ends so I I will [TS]

  have somebody come in and do that and i also forgot to mention it's actually [TS]

  that my house is done [TS]

  asterisk cross symbol because I forgot that we also didn't ever have the gas [TS]

  line run certainly to the upstairs furnace and perhaps the dentist [TS]

  downstairs furnace because despite the fact that you guys believe there's no [TS]

  winter in Virginia we've been spoiled by gas heat during the four-month all that [TS]

  happens in Virginia when it happens and so because of that I don't want to have [TS]

  a heat pump we're just coughs up like mildly warm air I want to continue to [TS]

  have gas he and since there is now a new furnace in the attic and the old furnace [TS]

  got moved well it's got thrown away but the the downstairs furnace is now under [TS]

  the house now that gasoline needs to be plumbed but after our AC guy was in the [TS]

  house for two weeks and we were moved out of the house for two weeks all of us [TS]

  needed a break so he's gonna have to come back in a few weeks and and do that [TS]

  as well so are how are how are home construction is done asked him about you [TS]

  mark oh my god no you get get him there as soon as possible I'm telling you like [TS]

  the longer he's gone though the worst the the idea of him coming back we'll be [TS]

  making you just get it done now I know don't listen to john john is John is [TS]

  unequivocally wrong and then as soon as I say that the internet rises up in [TS]

  incomes to his defense but I'm telling you internet John is wrong wrong free [TS]

  for you maybe not wrong saying is that I think it's ok to live in a house for a [TS]

  longer time and I know people do that but if you can't bear the idea of living [TS]

  in unfinished house then by all means continue to repair things that in fact [TS]

  you may want to use your construction ownership to get an AC unit sold your [TS]

  car doesn't get too hot so I have a question but so so in in your in your [TS]

  state [TS]

  of nonlinear that apparently needs two furnaces for a state of their winter [TS]

  allegedly right you have an insulated garage and why it seems like most of the [TS]

  problem in virginia would be tracking the heat and in the summertime like most [TS]

  people who live in the northeast like me and John don't have been sitting around [TS]

  the house or two old nobody built them later house so you know I'm wondering [TS]

  and i dont have a ride it's not amazing but it's fine it doesn't get it actually [TS]

  is cooler in the garage in the summertime than it is outside in my car [TS]

  is nice and cool I don't have to blast the AC went to my car in the garage in [TS]

  the summertime because it is not hot is it wasn't sitting in the Sun so I wonder [TS]

  like you know what what do you need the insulated garage for and does it is it [TS]

  causing more harm than good I don't think it's causing more harm than good [TS]

  but I can tell you right now I am well out of my comfort zone [TS]

  the reason I have an insulated garage is because we moved into the house with an [TS]

  insulated [TS]

  nobody goes on like uninsulated right it wasn't a deliberate choice and it's not [TS]

  like Dr Walter anything basically in between the studs at some point somebody [TS]

  had thrown in the little pink insulation like packets if you I i'm sure the [TS]

  technical term for it I don't know what it is don't care but anyway so most of [TS]

  the girls are actually it's only the back wall [TS]

  i dont member of the one side exterior walls insulated or not [TS]

  now my my father who is a little bit crazy has decided that even though he [TS]

  doesn't even insulated garage for whatever reason and he lives 45 minutes [TS]

  west of me he has put that same kind of insulation on his garage doors which I [TS]

  know there's a reason for it and I know the garage doors tend to leak a bit but [TS]

  I'm still not entirely sure what what he's after on that one and it's funny [TS]

  because when he did put the insulation into the garage doors or had it put in [TS]

  or whatever it ended up that he needed to have the garage door people come back [TS]

  because now this brings weren't strong enough to raise the damn kurt is all [TS]

  this new weight on it but but what about your construction has your doin some as [TS]

  well read my mind is totally done [TS]

  move back into that well no asterisk asterisk asterisk and the penalty I have [TS]

  the little double party characters exist outside of asterisks probably not I've [TS]

  never seen them anyway so we as part of so that the main rooms that we had done [TS]

  are done but we had to wait for like one light fixture to come in just need to be [TS]

  put on the ceiling is backordered and then we have we also tacked onto the job [TS]

  a leaky skylight in are in a different upstairs bathroom totally totally far [TS]

  away from what we're working on but we have people here and we had this leaky [TS]

  skylight that keeps leaking water and riding the support beam that it's [TS]

  sitting on so we might get it fixed as we don't want our house away like John [TS]

  John yeah because water is the enemy of houses yeah we thought that was the [TS]

  thing that I'm fixing to order part so did you did you have that because of the [TS]

  god-awful winner that you had ordered yours we didn't actually have any water [TS]

  inside our house unlike many of our neighbors who could be seen during the [TS]

  winter up on their roofs usually trying to scrape snow off and back at their ice [TS]

  dams that we didn't have any water in the house but anyway outside of the [TS]

  house where the water does touches dying and so we're getting all that done I [TS]

  think my my plan for for our future retirement house is to either move to [TS]

  California where it does not rain or build an entire house sort of like glass [TS]

  and plastic just nothing that can rock from from water these days they did you [TS]

  know if you get anything replaced on your house like say they're going to [TS]

  replace I don't know the soffits or something [TS]

  or later just front door stop they replace it with non-woven materials for [TS]

  the most part these PVC or various other composites that just do not like there's [TS]

  no point in making something that you know is going to come in contact with [TS]

  water and it would these days [TS]

  costs well and also like even when you use wood or drywall like they have [TS]

  pressure treated wood they have more resistant drywall these things cost a [TS]

  little bit more but like no one uses them by default except holmes on homes [TS]

  and does and it's like so you know we have had a lot of work in our house [TS]

  total that involve lots of wood and we asked lawyers and drywall the first time [TS]

  and they would only put it in the bathroom really come on they were shaded [TS]

  area so second time with a contractor and they had to had to replace they [TS]

  found a bunch of rot around around the big however place here in like this man [TS]

  roof area [TS]

  tons of product support beams joists in the roof around on this area that of [TS]

  course when we've got a new roof three years ago they didn't find all of those [TS]

  guys but we ask Allah ke since you're replacing all this anyway and it has [TS]

  already run for water leaking in can you use pressure treated wood this time [TS]

  they're like well yeah you can anything I why would you ever not use it [TS]

  yes a class a little bit more but it cost way less than doing the job the [TS]

  second time I got you a blast that led to do their jobs i cant im [TS]

  for load-bearing things more difficult because most of my trim pieces around [TS]

  your door or whatever like that a lot of people don't have to worry about it does [TS]

  not load bearing it doesn't matter that it's sloppy at all just decorative stuff [TS]

  about his contact with the ground like a little things underneath your front door [TS]

  that's against whatever your porches using what they're getting so John years [TS]

  has or has not started yet is not okay do you have a start date for that [TS]

  endeavor we have our third start date so far it's going according to expectations [TS]

  exactly yeah and I forgot to mention that I already have started the to do [TS]

  list for next year which is roof for sure because the house is about 10 no [TS]

  I'm sorry twenty years old almost so it's about time for that and I'm [TS]

  thinking we might do windows as well so basically each year I'm driving cars of [TS]

  various quality off a cliff in terms of how much I'm spending it's too late for [TS]

  you should buy a house if your house is 20 years old you think you're replacing [TS]

  the windows right so we're getting Windows replace the windows were keeping [TS]

  other ones from like the 80 yeah we're keeping because there's a quote unquote [TS]

  new windows replacing 1932 your house is intense right there will be some sort of [TS]

  it was it was a one-time inflated by a few pieces newspaper that have since [TS]

  fallen down into the water in the bottom it's mostly insulated but mouse down the [TS]

  wall will you know if you get a lot of it wouldn't be that there's a lot of my [TS]

  still are [TS]