512: The Simple Solution to Traffic
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Hello and welcome to Connected episode 512.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors, ZocDoc, Vitaly,
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and 1Password Extended Access Management.
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I am St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner,
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Steven Hackett, and I'm joined by St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner, Mike Hurley.
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Hello, I am St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner, Mike Hurley,
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and I would like to introduce the one true John, John Voorhees, who's back again.
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I'm just John. I mean, I don't have a title like that.
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One true? One true is the title.
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It's not quite the mouthful that you guys have, but hey, all right.
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No. Federica's still not dead.
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I think it's important to reference that as is referenced.
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This is not an act of succession.
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This is an act of vacation because it's the summer.
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And look, if you've been listening to this show for long enough,
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you know Federico in the summer.
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He's here, he's back, he's here, he's back.
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He's told us he'll be back and he's back for good, I think was the wording that he used.
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So next week, so we can all look forward to that.
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He told me that too.
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There's a rhythm to summer with Federico.
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There's definitely a rhythm.
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And look, I support a man's desire for vacation.
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I support that.
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I just came back from one myself, you know.
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I really wish that I was on vacation this week.
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This was a thought that I realized a couple of days ago where I thought,
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oh, I should have booked a vacation for this week, but I didn't.
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You should have.
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And so here I am.
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All your friends were on vacation last week and you guys were working.
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But I'm taking a long weekend this weekend.
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That's what we're going to do instead, just like a London staycation.
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But really, I should have had a vacation booked, but I didn't.
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But I'll figure that out later.
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Stephen, what is the St. Jude Create Your Achievement Award?
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Well, that's something that you and I were given last weekend at the Relay 10 event,
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which I'm sure we're going to talk about in a second.
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But during that event, we announced our sixth annual St. Jude campaign.
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Our fundraiser we're going to do for them is going to start August 28th, so just four weeks away.
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But in announcing that, you and I were surprised.
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And it was like genuine surprise.
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In fact, one of the photos that somebody submitted at relay.fm/photos,
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I have this look on my face like a kid getting a Christmas present.
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It's like I didn't know it was coming.
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Yes, you and I were awarded this for our work raising money and awareness for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
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And it's this very lovely, very heavy glass piece.
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And now it's in my office.
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It's a very, very legit thing.
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It feels significant.
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It's more than a paperweight.
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Yes, it was very big.
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It could be used to weigh down a lot of paper.
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Or someone's life.
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Yeah, you could really commit a crime with it.
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Maybe that's why Federico's not here.
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We dropped the Creator Award on him and that was the end.
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Poor Federico.
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Yeah, so we just had our 10th anniversary show.
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Thank you so much to everybody that was there.
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The audio of this event is available now in the Departures feed, which is where we put live shows.
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Steven, I've already on a couple of shows this week spoken about Relay 10.
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And I thought I would want to ask you what Relay 10 meant to you a little bit if you wanted to share with a connected audience.
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Oh man, it was incredible.
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I mean, the company turning 10 is this amazing thing on its own.
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I'm sure we'll talk more about it because the actual anniversary is a couple weeks from now.
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But being in this like sold out theater with 11 or 1200 people was awesome.
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And we haven't done one of these since 2019.
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And it meant seeing a lot of people we work with for the first time in a long time.
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It was just it was so good and so much fun.
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And I had a blast.
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And thank you for planning it all.
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Like I'm sure people who listen to backstage and our other membership stuff know you planned all this.
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And you and Adina did all the legwork and made it all happen.
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And it was it was incredible to be able to like walk in and be like, this thing is ready to go.
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I have not had that experience before during our live event.
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So thank you for making it special for everybody else.
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It was a pleasure.
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Yeah, it was it was the best night of my professional career.
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Like it was extra special to me, right?
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Being in London, like it made it like it took it like a level further for me.
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And it was just like that St. Jude award is like the cherry on the top.
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Like it was already incredible.
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And then to be given that too, it's just like, like, just absolutely wild.
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Like this was yeah, it was absolutely fantastic.
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I don't think it could have gone any better.
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And I'm gonna I will apologize now for the fact that I will be posting photos from this event for like the next six months on Instagram.
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Because there's so many great photos that people are sending in.
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And so yeah, I'm just gonna be just posting so many of these.
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It was just man, what a time.
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What a time.
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Yeah, it was really cool.
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It was great to have our families there.
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It's great to have our coworkers there, our colleagues from St. Jude.
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Just all in all, just a real amazing experience.
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And, you know, it was really cool.
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I suggest everyone start a company and let it run for 10 years.
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Well, as someone who was there watching it, I loved it.
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I mean, it was a lot of fun.
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I didn't make it to your fifth anniversary show in San Francisco because it was kind of in the middle of review time for us at Max Stories.
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And so this was my first time seeing you do kind of your Family Feud style thing live in person.
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And I loved it.
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And it was a lot of fun.
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The crowd was very into it.
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I didn't see a single person who wasn't didn't have a big smile on their face and walked out of the theater happy and looking like they had enjoyed themselves.
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We did a standing for the rules, which was like which was a day of show edition, which was incredible.
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That was fantastic.
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It was good.
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My family were very confused about the stuff.
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They stood, but they had no idea why they were doing it.
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Is it time for the Pledge of Allegiance?
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I had to explain to my mom and my brother, like, this is just the thing that they do.
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Just go along with it.
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It was so good.
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Such a good time.
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Let's do some real follow up, Steven.
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Real follow up dot MP3 dual display support has come to the M3 14 inch MacBook Pro.
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So people may remember that when the MacBook Pro was updated with the M3, there was a lot of like hand wringing because the base model system on a chip only will push two displays.
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And so on the notebooks, that means the built in display plus one external.
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People are like, no, it's a pro laptop.
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You need more than one external display.
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Look at this new character.
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And this prompted Apple to say, no, we're going to have a software update.
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And that came with Mac OS Sonoma 14.6, which shipped just a couple of days ago.
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And now the MacBook Pro with M3 will run two external displays while in clamshell mode.
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So it doesn't allow three displays magically.
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The system on chip is still limited to two, but if your laptop is closed, you could run two studio displays or whatever you wanted.
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So yeah, Apple made good on this.
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What they said.
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And here we go.
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When you read this headline, will you like me reminded that this was the thing that was like, oh, yeah, they did say that.
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I completely forgotten about it.
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This was introduced for the MacBook Air.
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So this this was the timeline.
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The machine was released in October of twenty three.
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It was like spooky Halloween event Apple did that was fun.
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And then the MacBook Air was updated and it had it.
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And that's when people really like what you could do with an air, not a pro.
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And so that was in March.
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And so it's been since March.
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There's only been three months as Apple said it, but, you know, almost nine months since the machine was released.
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Anyways, all all buttoned up now.
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And if you're running Sonoma fourteen point six, I guess probably be the last major build, you know, unless something unexpected happens.
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We're getting close to the end for the Sonoma cycle, I think.
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Yeah, I would think so.
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I would think so.
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I mean, I mean, you'd hope so.
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Yeah, it's August.
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It's August tomorrow.
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Mike, tell us about your AirPods.
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I got so I got so much follow up, like via the feedback form and on social media for people that have the exact same AirPods issue that I do.
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There were a lot of people who were trying to helpfully tell me about conversational awareness.
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That's not what I was talking about.
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That is a feature that I choose to use.
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But lots of people experience the same thing as me of basically feeling like your AirPods reboot.
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And I have not found any scenario from anybody sent in to reliably solve this.
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It tells me that there is a widespread enough issue that something's going on either with AirPods, with AirPods firmware or with its connection to the iPhone.
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And so I'm kind of just hoping that something will get fixed in the future.
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But yeah, it's still happening to me and it seems like it's happening to many of the passionate ones.
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So I feel vindicated in that at least.
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Have you started a gate?
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What would it be?
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Connected gate, connection gate.
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Connection gate?
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I like connected gate.
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Let's do that.
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No, no, we don't need to drag the show into it.
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No, no, no, no.
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No, we definitely do.
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Connected gate.
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I don't particularly want the clicks, you know, because I've seen what happens to people's lives when they have a gate for clicks.
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Steven, come on.
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If I was going to do it for the clicks, it would have been a much better video.
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Steven, it wasn't not for clicks.
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It was to educate the public.
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I don't think it was super well.
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Yeah, it was like a weekend thing.
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I recorded that.
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Okay, so if people don't know, I had a gate once.
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And there's like the seven second video on YouTube I recorded literally in my bedroom with a phone doing a thing.
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And you could hear like birds chirping in the background because I recorded it in my bedroom on a Saturday for a blog post.
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But, you know, these things are not helping.
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There is a rule.
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We've talked about this before.
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And John, I know you're aware of this too.
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There is a relationship between the amount of time and energy you put into a project on the internet and sometimes how successful it is.
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You can work really hard at something and no one care at all.
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Or you film a seven second audio clip in your bedroom on a Saturday morning and it ends up on Good Morning America.
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Like sometimes those things happen on the internet.
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This is one of those.
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Look, 2016 was a different time for all of us, you know, and sometimes you just, you know, you just put something on YouTube, right?
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And sometimes then it finds its way to NBC News.
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But my grandmother saw the news and called my mom wondering if I was in trouble.
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I mean, you weren't not.
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I wasn't in trouble.
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You weren't not in trouble.
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Like this is, I had a thing once, you know, I had a thing once with a, it was nowhere near this, but it was like something about an iPhone home button and gloves.
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Like it was like the first capacitive home button.
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And I realized like, oh, it won't work if there's any kind of material in the way.
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And that like became like a, it was nowhere, nowhere near this, but it was that moment.
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And just like people writing articles about my tweet was like, yeah, I'm going to stop doing this.
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And I think Hissgate stopped even from doing this too.
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You kind of realize that it's not worth it.
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Like, unless what you really want is to generate this.
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There are people who this is what they want.
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Like, click.
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And like clickbait is not about misleading people.
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It's just about trying to get attention for something.
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And there are people whose careers are benefited by that.
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I'm definitely not.
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I don't believe Steven is either.
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I mean, I am definitely not because all I do is podcasts.
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And like clickbait does not help podcasts.
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And of course, you know, the two of you both right.
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And headlines, you do want a catchy headline to bring in people to an art call.
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But catchy podcast titles I do not believe encourage listening.
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It's extremely hard for a podcast to go viral.
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And when they do happen, it happens in politics sometimes.
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You know, someone says something they shouldn't.
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It's always actually just like video YouTube interview shows.
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It's not what we do as podcasts.
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What we do is pretty antiviral, if you will.
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The only clickbait that I can find success in in podcasting is naming a podcast episode after a video that Grey has done.
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That works pretty well.
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Aside from that, if we name an episode of Cortex the name of the video he just published, it tends to do pretty good.
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Outside of that, kind of nothing really.
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If I just put state of the, that also helps me.
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I look forward to the next episode of Cortex, the simple solution to traffic.
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Or Canada and the United States bizarre border.
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We may have done that.
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I'm not kidding.
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We may have done that.
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Like, I actually don't know.
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Like if we spoke about that video, we probably named it that.
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That's kind of like a thing we have done.
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Man, 40 million views.
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That's wild.
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So it helps, you know, to be successful.
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Like, look, we have one here, like making, or we do this, like making and then the name of the thing.
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So we're like making the interstate's forgotten code in February 2022.
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That's good.
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Or call the episode AI Art Will Make Marionettes of Us All Before It Destroys the World.
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That was a good title.
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And it also generated a lot of views, but they weren't happy people.
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Speaking of clickbait articles and headlines, this is maybe the best headline I've written in quite a while.
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This was published on June 26th.
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I'm just a simple Macintosh user asking a bazillion dollar company for a better way to move tasks between lists and reminders.
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And I'm very happy to say that macOS Sequoia now includes the ability to move tasks between lists and reminders more easily.
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This is now example three or four, I think, of me asking for things for reminders and app that I don't use to be fixed.
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Do you secretly work on the reminders?
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No, I think he does.
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But I run to the press every year and write a blog post and they've done this.
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So now in the inspector and reminders and Sequoia, you can swap the list that a task is on.
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Thank you, reminders team.
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Yeah, I would suggest that anybody who wants some feature in any OS that Apple makes just send an email to Steven.
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That's what I do now.
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I don't use the feedback app.
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I ask him to write an article and that's because it seems to work.
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Thanks, Steven.
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Thank you for your service, you know.
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No, I mean, the trick is to ask for something small and logical.
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And sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't.
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I still have a bunch of feedbacks that are still open to a bunch of other things.
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But the reminders team seems very sensitive to good feedback.
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Can you write an article about the ability to have your device in dark mode but not have dark icons?
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Could you write that article, please?
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Dude, I have so many.
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Springboard in iOS 18 is a wild, wild place to be right now.
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Yeah, I'm sure you're very familiar with it.
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Yeah, I spent some time staring at the sun trying to understand.
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Springboard for your work.
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I have not figured out the rhyme or reason to it myself.
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I don't understand it.
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It doesn't make any sense to me.
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It's like, oh, you like dark mode and obviously you like everything dark.
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You are Batman.
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You must love everything in black.
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They've made some surprising decisions there.
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Reminders, though, I got that dialed in.
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All right, just got to work on the smart list next because that's the last thing that I think I really need is to have the ability to create a smart list that includes some lists but not all of them.
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It's pretty, yeah, it's, I mean, if you go back.
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Fire up MozEdit, Steven, it's time to go.
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If you go back and look at some of Federico's old reviews, you'll see that he's mentioned it at least two or three times.
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Yeah, but see, that's buried in 180,000 words about iOS.
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And the trick is to write a blog post with a good headline and include that in the feedback and include the feedback number in the blog post and then hope for the best.
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Do you have a webinar I can sign Federico up for maybe?
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Well, it's a course.
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A good headline webinar.
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A little SEO webinar that I can send Federico to.
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We'll pay for it with the, you know, out of the back story's budget.
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Yeah, John, sometimes when I'm writing, the headline comes first.
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What about you?
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Are you a headline first person or?
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No, I am a person who writes title at the top and then just writes the article and does it at the end.
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Almost always.
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Interesting.
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You guys know about the way YouTubers work, right?
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They think about the thumbnail and then work backwards.
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Yeah, the thumbnail sometimes comes before the idea for the video.
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Like the idea is to title the thumbnail and then they make a video.
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I've wondered why I am the way that I am in this regard.
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That's a bigger topic for another day overall.
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I've accidentally...
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I've paid a lot of money to work that problem out.
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Let's get comfortable.
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This is going to take all afternoon.
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I've accidentally...
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Stephen, just lay back.
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Lay back on this couch.
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I've accidentally created reconcilable differences and therapy all at once.
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But I think it's because in high school college, the student newspaper thing and in college,
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one of my many tasks over the years was actually to write headlines because our reporters,
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they'd often mock something in.
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But I was in charge of layout and design of the paper.
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And so I very often would take their headline and rewrite it or tweak it to make it fit
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or kind of flow better with what we were doing overall.
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And I think that is what...
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I still think that way.
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That reminders post, I had it in my back of my mind because I'd written about it before.
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It's like, "Oh, I need to revisit this."
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And the headline is what came first about the, "I'm just a simple user asking a bazillion
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dollar company."
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Kind of like the boom box outside the window kind of feeling.
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Have you seen the movie?
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Do you know what movie that is?
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It's Notting Hill.
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It's Notting Hill.
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I have never seen it.
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That's a great movie.
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You should watch it.
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You've been in London now so you'll like it.
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Yeah, it's a good one.
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Yeah, it's...
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Oh, what is the name of the actress in that movie?
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Let me look up in call sheet.
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Notting Hill.
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Julia Roberts.
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I could picture her, but I couldn't think of a name.
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Julia Roberts standing in front of Hugh Grant.
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Spoilers for Notting Hill from 1999.
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And it's like, I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy telling her to love him.
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Him to love her or something.
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I've ruined that line.
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Steven, go watch the movie and then report on the line.
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18.1 beta is out.
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This is fun.
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Yo dog, I heard you like betas.
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I could put betas on top of your betas.
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That's right.
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Steven, what are these betas?
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So it's 18.1, Sequoia 15.1, WatchOS 11.1, the WatchOS doesn't really have Apple intelligence
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stuff per se.
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But this is the beta that brings along Apple intelligence.
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Now this is region locked as expected, not available in China or the EU.
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Apple said as much earlier this summer.
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Weirdly there's a wait list in the developer beta.
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Now I did this the day after it came out because I was flying home when this was unfolding,
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but I was in in just a few minutes.
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So some people in our discord for members saying it was taking a little bit longer now,
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but basically you say, Hey, I want in and then you get notification that you're in.
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Jason was told that, Jason was briefed that for the developer beta, the approvals would
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be basically instant.
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And it seems so my read on that is they're just testing the approval system.
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Yeah, I think so.
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But it took me about 10 minutes to get in I think.
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Mine was a little bit longer as well.
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Mine was like an hour or something.
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But you know, I think maybe they were just like stretching it like, you know, short,
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long, short, long kind of thing, you know.
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But they're, I got the impression that for this beta they're not like wait listing,
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wait listing.
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And I guess we'll see what happens if this will even still be a thing or what like later
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But the waitlist part of it is so weird to me.
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Do you remember the mailbox waitlist?
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Like mailbox did so many things first and I think this was the first one and you'd
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get your number and you could like boost your number by sharing and like, it was absolute
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genius marketing.
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Man, I miss mailbox so much.
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Then it got sunsetted real hard.
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I'll never forget Dropbox for that.
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Anything else on mailbox you want to talk about?
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No, I think I've done my mailbox corner for this week.
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This is in conjunction with a bunch of in person Apple intelligence events.
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The Cupertino, I think there's also, there are also some in Europe to bring developers
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Well, it's not Europe technically, I guess the UK to bring in developers to recap with
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them what they're doing.
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Because there are some developer opportunities here to integrate with this stuff.
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But it is a first beta.
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And so there are a bunch of things that are present.
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There's some other things that are not.
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Some people are finding ways to work around the region locks.
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You can see what the privacy stuff is doing.
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So there's actually like this report you can run showing you what's on device and what's
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been sent to the, what are they calling it?
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The private compute cloud or private cloud computer.
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That's right.
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Private the PCC or whatever.
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That's what the kids call it.
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I think private cloud compute PCC.
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When people say PCC, I always think of PRC and that's different.
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That's maybe not too different.
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You know what I mean?
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We don't know.
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Maybe it could be very similar or very different.
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So yeah, that's, should we talk about what is present in this release?
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So the summarization and writing tools are all here.
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So if you're on a webpage and you go into reader mode, you can have it summarize it
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It pulls table of contents based on headers in an article, which is pretty nice.
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You can kind of click around pretty quickly.
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The writing tools are here.
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So that's the grammar checking, the tone shifting.
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So Hey, I wrote this email to my boss.
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Please make it sound friendly.
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Please make it sound more professional.
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And on the Mac, at least those are all in line with kind of the other grammar and spell
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checking tools behind it.
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Right click, which I think makes a lot of sense on the Mac.
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On iOS, it's like behind a button and you can kind of get to it, but the interface,
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what's your feeling in the keyboard in the keyboard.
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So if you select text, the little icon pops up in the quick type bar.
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But yeah, cause at first I was like, is it weird?
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Like you just put it in the cut, copy and paste thing, which has also made the cut,
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copy and paste thing hilariously larger.
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I pad it's massive.
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Yeah, it's massive.
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But it's also like, cause also in quick type, like when you're, you know, you get
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like shiny, like colorful shiny text, which is recommendations from Apple intelligence,
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but it also has the little, I don't even know what to call that.
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Did you in America, did you have something called the spiral graph?
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So the Apple intelligence logo looks like it was made on a spiral graph.
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Yeah, it does.
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It really does.
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Or yeah, it does.
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It looks like a seal, a tg seal approval too.
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I think it does look like that.
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He does approve of all AI tools.
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He's well known for that actually.
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He's well known for that.
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And so yeah, it pops up as it shows the little spiral graph in the quick type thing.
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You can tap that and change the text off with it that way too.
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In mail, you have the priority messages and summaries.
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For me, that's hilariously broken.
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I keep wanting to pull this email from my archive back into my inbox is like, this is
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It's not, it's not even in my inbox, Apple like, I don't know what's going on there.
00:28:13
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I saw something like that too.
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I have one today where it did the same thing and it got out my iPad and it had one email
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and the, but then it made a box that was the entire width of the screen that was empty.
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So the whole width of my inbox was the priority thing and I have one email in it and you can't,
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I don't, what I don't like is we're going to talk more about impressions in a minute,
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but like while we're on that, like you can't do anything with that.
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You can do is open the email.
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You can't like swipe it away.
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It's just open the email on nothing.
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It's like, all right, thanks.
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Yeah, it's early.
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It's beta one.
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Yeah, I know.
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Phone calls can be recorded, transcribed and summarized.
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I attempted this today and when I hit the button, nothing happened, but as I've seen
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online, people have gotten it working.
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So that's in there.
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You can type to Siri so you can double tap the bottom of the display and it brings up
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the type of Siri interface with just the keyboard, kind of a text box above the keyboard is all
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rainbowy showing that it's AI.
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Very exciting.
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If you have not had that, had that working on your devices and you're running these betas,
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a restart should bring it, bring it back.
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It did not work for me until I rebooted my phone.
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And then on the Mac, it's like command key twice or globe S because on the Mac, Apple
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doesn't understand how keyboard shortcuts work.
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And so some people use, some teams use command, other teams use the globe key.
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It's very confusing over there.
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And then, uh, some more summarization stuff and notes and messages, some better natural
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language search and photos.
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And then what I think maybe the most interesting, and we'll talk about it in our impressions
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is the reduce interruptions focus mode is now, uh, now available to you.
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What is, what's globus?
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Is that like Siri?
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Like w is that what that is?
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I was like sitting here for ages.
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Like what could the S mean?
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I think it's intelligence.
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I got intelligence.
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So what's missing as of beta one, there's no image or emoji generation.
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So no image playgrounds, no, you know, make an emoji of a dinosaur riding a space shuttle
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into the sun.
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There's no chat.
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GBT fallback is not here.
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The AI photo editing is not here.
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So the, you know, Oh, we move this in the background.
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You know, those were the tools that are basically kind of everywhere now for AI for nothing.
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Those aren't there.
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Uh, priority notifications and male categorization aren't here.
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And then, uh, the entire world of like personal context, screen awareness type stuff also
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lacking in beta one.
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I had some, some questions for the two of you.
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I want to get your, your expert opinions on this.
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So this, this first one is like two questions in one, which is, will this come to the new
00:31:19
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so like, you know, we're assuming the iOS 18 is for new iPhones, right?
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Just when it always roughly launches, it's like around new iPhone time.
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Well, 18.1 ship on the new iPhones.
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Will it come later and or could iOS 18 be released in like August?
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So I think that the new phones will ship with iOS 18.
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I think at the same time, 18 one will be in beta public beta.
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You'll be able to through the setup process, maybe add that if you want, uh, when you set
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up a new iPhone 16.
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But I do think it's going to be later.
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I really do feel like these, especially given the state that these tools are in right now,
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I think it's going to be October easily before this, this stuff actually ships.
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What do you think, Steven?
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I think that's, I think that's about right.
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I do not see them moving.
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I always say 18 forward.
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Uh, the normal timeframe.
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I think it'll come later.
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And I think even 18.1 won't include everything they've talked about.
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I think some of it may be 18.2.
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Vic Turner's discourse says if history is repeated itself, they'll release iOS 18 for
00:32:37
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a few days and then 18.1 will be on the new phones at launch.
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That's been happening right in the last couple of years.
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It's been, it's been bug fixes though.
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Not features.
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And then issues with the point O. Um, if this, okay.
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Do you think there is a possibility that they may roll any of these features into 18?
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I don't think so.
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I think they want to keep these things separate.
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I, I really feel like this stuff is in alpha shape right now.
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It's not even really developer beta shape.
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I mean, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't work right or is weird or is just kind of
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not particularly useful at this point.
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And I don't think they want to go out with new, with a new operating system on new phones
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with something that's kind of semi broken.
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And I mean, yeah, it'll get a lot better over the next, you know, month and a half.
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But we're really, I mean, at this point we're like what, six, seven, eight weeks away from,
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you know, from 18 and from new iPhones.
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I, you know, I really don't, I, yeah, I have a hard time seeing them putting it in 18,
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anything of it really.
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But I think too, they need to be mindful of first impressions with this.
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They've made a really big deal of it.
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It's a big deal in the industry, whether it should be or not, you know, side table that
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for now, uh, Apple's made a big deal of it and they're going to want people's first uses
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of it to be as good as possible.
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And I don't think that putting something early is like worth risking that because whenever
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they release it, there will be issues, I'm sure, but they want to minimize that.
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And so I could see them saying, look, uh, this is going to be an 18.1 and you know,
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I think like John said, it'd probably be in public beta by then.
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So people will be able to get their hands on it if they really want to, because there
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will be people who buy a new phone for this reason, right?
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Because this is not coming to older devices.
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And that gives a little bit of an escape hatch for those people who are like nerdy enough
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to know that and know how to get a public beta.
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But for the rest of the world, it will just come out later.
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I'm definitely coming around to what you said, John, about them maybe prompting people if
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they want to install the public beta.
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I could imagine maybe 18 on the new phones could have an Apple intelligence thing in
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settings that you would tap it, but you have to sign up for the beta for this.
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Do you want to, I mean, because that also tracks of what I think we'd all expected that
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when these features launched to the public, they're being beta or anyway, and this would
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just enforce that, like they're going to call this a beta even when it's available.
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Like even when 18.1 is shipping, they will still be calling this stuff a beta because
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why wouldn't you?
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Like you have the opportunity to do that and nobody is going to be surprised about that.
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So you may as well just do it.
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Like they've done this stuff so many times, right?
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Like a lot of the photo stuff that they've done in the past, they've had, they've called
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it a beta when they put it out there, right?
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As people that review, I don't know if you're doing any kind of reviewing this year, Steven,
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but I know obviously, Jon, you are, and you have, I'm sure some visibility to Federico's
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Doesn't this complicate things for you massively now?
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Because I'm sure that you're running point one, but your review is about point O and
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now you're like running a different, potentially running a different version of the operating
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system to the one you'll be reviewing.
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Yeah, it does complicate things.
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I don't know if it's massively though.
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I haven't had a chance to talk to Federico about this because our vacations overlapped,
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but he he's on 18.1, which I think the UI is separate enough that it's not going to cause
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him like some very technical issues with things like grading screenshots.
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That's like, I'm not on this, right?
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Like for him, it's, it's still 18.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
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I mean, so there, there are a bunch of layers of issues here.
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One is he can't get this right now.
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Maybe he can, you know, figure out a trick to get into it at some point, but he doesn't
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have this available.
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I suspect what we'll end up doing is he's going to publish his iOS and iPadOS 18 review
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day and date with its launch.
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And then we'll do something different for 18.1.
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Maybe I'll write it.
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I don't know.
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I haven't spoken to him about that.
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I mean, we, we should cover it, but if he can't cover it, then someone needs to cover
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And so maybe that'll be me.
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So I've kind of been digging into it pretty deeply.
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I have not installed it on my Mac yet because of kind of the concerns you raised, Mike,
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which are if I put this on my beta Mac, am I going to be polluting my environment in
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a way that makes it more difficult for me to review 18?
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And I got to be really careful about that.
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I just don't have unlimited M1 Macs sitting around my house where I can have one, one
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on each beta.
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So I don't know what I'm going to do yet.
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I've just been kind of playing wait and see because I was traveling the day this came
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I didn't put this on my devices until yesterday.
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So I'm only like 24 hours into this anyway, but I'm kind of playing wait and see with
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Mac OS to kind of, to, to read a few articles, understand just if nothing else, how it changes
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the way the system works.
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Because I don't want to get into a position where I have trouble reviewing 18 because
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I've got 18 or 15 when I have 15 one on my Mac.
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So that's kind of the things I'm thinking about right now.
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It's a, it's complicated too in development land, right?
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Cause I working on the iOS 18 releases of widget Smith and pedometer and everything.
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And so I have like one, my, my carry phone now is 18.1 because also I'm talking about
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all this stuff.
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Like we're doing it right now.
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My test development phone is going to stay on the 18.0 track because that's what customers
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are going to have.
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That's what we're building against.
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Like it is extremely complicated all of a sudden because it's unclear if the only difference
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between 0.0 and 0.1 is Apple intelligence or are there other things behind the scenes?
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Like you said, John, like pollute, I like polluting your environment accidentally even
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like not, you know, really having a full picture of what's what.
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So it is, it is complicated this year if you're covering this stuff or working in this space
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and even being a developer like Steven, what are you doing for testing of widget Smith?
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So right now we're focused on 18.0 and so yeah, I've got a phone that's just running
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I think we do not know is if 18.0 like a new beta of 18.0 comes out, will the 18.1 beta
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have the same stuff in it?
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Are they running on different tracks?
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Will there be some kind of conflict between them with some services or anything?
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There could be all kinds of things that crop up.
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I think where I am heading since I'm done with my big trip to Europe is I think I will
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probably run 18.0 on my desktop and 18.1 on my laptop and just cross my fingers that audio
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hijack continues to work on, I keep calling it 18, but 15.
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But I'll use 15.0 on my desktop, 15.1 on my laptop and hope that audio hijack keeps working.
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Yeah, I put 18.1 on the iPad that I have here at the studio because I was just really intrigued
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And this is because when we were recording upgrade and all this news dropped, a couple
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of people in the Discord are like, "You probably shouldn't put this on your phone if you're
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getting a new phone.
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It's going to potentially make that complicated because you're trying to do the setup process."
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Yeah, it does.
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No, it's not as bad as it could be.
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No, but it's not terrible, but it's definitely not simple.
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It's definitely going to add complications.
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And so yeah, I actually do think that I'm leaning towards no beta on my iPhone this
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year because what I will probably want to use is 18.1 and I may just wait for my new
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phone and then put 18.1 on my new phone.
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It's probably the way that I'm going because 18 is not interesting to me, but 18.1, we'll
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talk about it in a minute, is more interesting to me than 18 is.
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And I don't think I want to put it on my phone yet, but maybe I'll see how the next couple
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of hours go and then just deal with this problem.
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Yeah, for people who aren't familiar, the process now, if you're running a beta and
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you migrate to a new phone, the new phone will say, "Hey, you're on a beta.
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Do you want to download that beta here?"
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And so it used to be you have to set the phone up, kind of fake it, like set the phone up
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with no data transfer, install the beta, erase all content and settings on the phone, and
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then migrate to it.
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It used to be a true nightmare.
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It is better now, but it is an extra hoop to jump through still.
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I do wonder though, just the weirdness of having two beta tracks.
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I don't know whether that's going to work, but you know what I mean?
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Oh, there's room for disaster for sure.
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It may be, I think there is a possibility where they don't...
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I still don't think they're going to release iOS 18 early, but it may be that we get the
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iOS 18 release candidate here pretty soon.
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And basically 18.0 is kind of done and put on the shelf, if you will.
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It'll be on new phones.
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It'll come out when it comes out in mid-September, but then moving forward, Apple's development
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is on the 0.1.
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That could be a way to help alleviate some of these issues.
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We just don't know because this is uncharted territory for everybody.
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It's so weird to be doing this.
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This is unprecedented, right?
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I don't think this has ever happened before.
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I don't think there have been two betas this early.
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They run betas concurrently, right?
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Like 17.6 and 18.0.
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But like two versions of the same unshipping operating system.
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Yeah, I don't think that's ever happened.
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Especially as she says to him at this point, like when we're like midway through the cycle.
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So I want to guide us through some discussion of the things that are there, at least from
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my perspective, the things that I've been able to use.
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I've not been able to use everything yet.
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Some stuff for me is not working, like the creating of photos, movies, it's just not
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It's just telling me it's analyzing my photo library.
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I don't know what it's doing.
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I've seen video on threads of it working.
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So some people weren't able to do it.
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The first part for me is Siri.
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I think they've messed up here by not making it, I feel like any noticeably better.
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I know one of the things that it does.
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It's arguably worse, I'd say.
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Interesting.
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I like that take.
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One of the things that it does do now is apparently, you can ask multiple questions about the same
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thing and it will hold some context.
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And I've seen some examples of that working.
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I've had some examples of that myself.
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But there are certain things where it's like, they've created the new UI, right?
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Like the new UI and the typing to Siri.
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And apparently, later on, as we spoke about earlier, there are going to be these personal
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context things and it will get smarter.
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But I want to guide you through a conversation that I had with my assistant.
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I asked, where is Steven?
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And it showed Steven on Find My.
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I said, how's the weather there?
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And it showed me the weather for London.
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And I said, no, Memphis.
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And it did a Google search for Memphis.
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Now, that wasn't a great experience.
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And I think launching Apple intelligence with the new look for Siri, but without any of
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the major behind the scenes changes is a really bad idea.
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Because I think people are going to think that it's going to be better and then immediately
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like say, oh, it still sucks.
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And I think that that is not great.
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I don't think they had to do the Siri UI changes yet if they don't have the smarts behind it.
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I think they should have waited to do that if it doesn't seem, at least to me, to be
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Like I even did the thing where it's like, what is 7 a.m. Pacific time, 7 a.m. U.S. Pacific
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time in London?
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And it still can't do that, but it just still can't understand that.
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And so what I like, though, is have a little feedback button.
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And I tapped it and I fill out a thing and said, Siri should be able to do this.
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And I submitted it.
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And it came right to my email.
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Thank you for that.
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You're going to send it to a reminders team?
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I think that they're going to this isn't going to be great for them to have not improved,
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not to not have the major Siri improvements ready, but to have changed all the UI and
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to be calling it Apple intelligence, because this is just the easy dunk of not that intelligent.
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And I don't really know why they'd open themselves up to that.
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Yeah, it is a very easy dunk.
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I think the you're right.
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I've had a very similar experience to you, Mike.
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I did the similar kind of thing with asking a series of questions, getting wrong answers
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and then saying, no, I mean this and getting the right answers.
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So it it does have some of that contextual awareness.
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An awful lot of queries, though, are still responded with are still answered with with
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links to Google searches.
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I I tried the thing like where you say, how do I turn on dark mode?
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And that works.
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It does the it showed me the four steps from the iPhone user guide that you do for that.
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Interesting.
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If you tap on it, it opens up in on the web, which is I asked it how to turn on Wi Fi and
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it told me it couldn't.
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Well, I was going to say that I asked it how to zap my PRAM in it.
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And it got you know what I just realized, like I was thinking to myself then I should
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talk to John like, oh, maybe maybe this like I think it series not answering things as
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good as a chat.
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But then I remembered, oh, maybe when the church, you'd be tthing is that this might
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actually get better.
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And so like, maybe it maybe I am being too quick to judge.
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And maybe when they enable that it might start to feel smarter because Apple will be pushing
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a bunch of LLM stuff out to that.
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It'll be a bad luck, though, because they'll be leaning really heavy on chat GPT.
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I think point is done.
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You know what I was saying?
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Yeah, yeah, they're going to lean into it.
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But you're gonna have to hit a prompt saying yes, send us a chat GPT.
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Like it's not that Siri is going to be better on.
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I'm still hoping that if you have an account, that won't happen.
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I guess we'll see.
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I agree with you that overall, like the new UI plus the whole series a weird combination.
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And I think I'm hoping that that's just like, because we're in this beta, like this, you
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know, kind of already and not yet timeframe that we're living in at this moment.
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But I think you're right.
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The new UI, which is beautiful, like whoever worked on all that, like just
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All of the animation.
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And they've really done a good job of like,
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They've killed it.
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Giving a look to AI.
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I really like it.
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And I think all that is obviously by design, because Apple's projecting, hey, this is different.
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Like this thing is new and exciting.
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And it so far, the UI has written a check that the intelligence can't cache, but I think
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that will hopefully, hopefully change.
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There are a couple other things.
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I mean, I would mention too, that like, for instance, when I asked that question about
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turning on dark mode, when I said then show me how it on the iPhone took me straight to
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settings, it didn't actually show me how it just, it took me to, to settings.
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And then on the iPad, it actually showed me a toggle and the toggle, if I tapped on it,
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didn't do anything.
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It's the advantage of a toggle that took me to settings.
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So that was a little weird.
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I may have actually gotten that backwards between the iPhone and the iPad, but you know
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what I mean?
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It's there's inconsistent UI and weird UI.
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This is what a toggle looks like.
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Show me a toggle.
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It's like, well, okay, I get it that there's a toggle I have to do somewhere.
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But I thought that this, because it looks a lot like what you would get if you did a
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Siri search, right?
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And you saw something from, from, you know, the app intense or whatever, but that was,
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that was really funny.
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I thought that was kind of crazy.
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Placeholder dot PNG.
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There is something cool though, I think behind that, like if Apple can make that work where
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you just ask your device, like, how do I do this or do it for me?
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I mean, that was the Bixby promise.
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Remember that on Samsung phones?
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And no one's really delivered on it.
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And the thing that's, that's wild to me about that is that that's a known problem set, right?
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Like Apple knows all the features of iOS, like just make sure your, your robot knows
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about them all.
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And so I think, I think if anything, that will get straightened out because it seems
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like such a low hanging fruit.
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Just use the URL schemes.
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I mean, the, the, the other thing I tried was remind me to call Federico in things and
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that, that kind of system with Siri has never worked super well where you're invoking other
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apps, but it doesn't work at all when you're typing to Siri.
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And to Taoist.
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Remember that you had to pronounce to Taoist.
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Mike, tell me about the writing tools.
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I think out of the three of us, these are kind of most aimed at you.
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A real dullard.
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Hi, welcome to the dance corner.
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It's me, Mike Hurley.
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John and I write professionally.
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Aimed at people like you.
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Like I feel like you pointing through the screen, but you are right though.
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They are aimed at me because I don't want to put the effort in that you do too.
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See, that's the thing.
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I can't even speak.
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Make this more professional.
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Please rewrite like a podcaster.
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I think they work really well in the controls of the best that I've seen because, so when
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you highlight the text, you highlight the text that you want to change and you press
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the little button, you get given like a pop up, which is, you know, you can basically
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rewrite this or, uh, I don't have it in part of me, but, and then you have things like,
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they have a couple of different styles, like professional and friendly.
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They have a couple of buttons too, which I like.
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Make this a list, which I just think, yes, oh, I love that because I love a good list.
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And I think they, they work really well and I will be using them.
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Like I've been using chat GPT to do this kind of stuff.
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So for example, I will write a episode description for a show and I was just like, okay, take
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this and clean it up, you know, like fix the grammar or maybe I want a different way to
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say it, you know?
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And I liked that it has both of those.
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You can basically have proofread it, I think is the word that they use to, you know, fix
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things, but then you can also change the tone if you want to.
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When you do that, it takes over the quick type bar again and you have, you can actually
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rate the response, which I don't know how long that will last for.
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Like if it will be into the release and probably, but you can have a button to like do it again,
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you know, like redo it again or revert back to how it was.
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And I did some comparisons.
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So like I took a look at some stuff that I'd asked chat GPT to do and I liked apples, not
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necessarily better, but I liked it.
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Like, you know, I was like, oh, I would use that for episode description instead of what
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I would use to check GPT for.
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So, and I'm happier to use that in apples free built in tools than to, I mean, I could
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use free check GPT too, if I wanted to, but that I don't have to use another service for
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this and what eventually I won't even need to copy and paste it into another app.
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Like it would just be on my Mac.
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I'll just select the text and just do it right there.
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I think that these tools are as good as I would want from something like this with the
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best UI that I've seen.
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I don't need to say rewrite this in my style, you know, forget all previous instructions.
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I don't have to do any of that.
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There is no prompting because it is done.
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And I think that's very smart from Apple's perspective too, because they are limiting
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the problem set for this with just all you can do is hit these buttons and we've trained
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our LLM to understand what these buttons mean.
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And it also does a good job of like, if you do the proofreading, it like pops the words
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or the punctuation in that it's changing so you can very clearly see what it's done.
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And you know, the animations are good, but also a little bit janky, but I know that will
00:55:21
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Like the text at the moment kind of like flies out of the screen a little bit, which I don't
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think it's supposed to do.
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It's going to the cloud, mate.
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Again, I'm doing all this on my iPad.
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This is not what you wanted?
00:55:31
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Just get rid of that.
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That's terrible.
00:55:33
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But yeah, I really like these tools and I will be using them for sure.
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I think that there is a much better way of doing this kind of thing than other tools
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that I've used.
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And the output is good enough.
00:55:46
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Yeah, it is nice having those tools wherever you are.
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Like I use Grammarly's Safari plugin because I write a lot in our CMS and Grammarly is
00:55:57
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just there like monitoring and making sure that I'm not doing anything silly with my
00:56:02
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typing there.
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And I think for a lot of people, once it's built in and it's just there, it will be their
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first experience with tools like this.
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And that is going to put companies like Grammarly and other players, I think, on notice a little
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bit now that something's baked in first party.
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But I think a lot of people will be using these things in the fall who don't even know
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they exist right now.
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Never heard of a Grammarly or things like it.
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I think they're a little, the tools are a little hidden.
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I think it's weird that it's in a pop up.
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I mean, I guess there are the buttons, as you said, Mike, there's more than one way
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to kind of get to these, but I think it is a little bit semi hidden at this point, which
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I think is a little odd.
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I'm not sure why that is.
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I think it's just an iOS UI problem.
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Like this is just like, they're just layering things on top of everything because, you know,
00:56:56
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what are they going to do?
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I could imagine a world in which it's more built into the selection, like the text selection,
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like maybe there's a little pop under rather than a pop over, which has this stuff.
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But yeah, if you don't have a keyboard, what are you going to do?
00:57:14
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Yeah, the action menu is doing too much.
00:57:16
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I mean, it seems like the kind of thing that needs to be tied to one of those menu buttons
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or something where they can kind of do it in an outline form and have a bunch of different
00:57:26
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I'm kind of ambivalent about a lot of these tools.
00:57:28
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I think the proofreading one is the best of the bunch and that it seems to be pretty accurate
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and it allows you to kind of step through the changes and understand why it's suggesting
00:57:37
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the changes, which I think is good.
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That, you know, that's very much just like Grammarly and other tools that are out there
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that do something similar.
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But as you said, it's built in, Steven, and it's, that's, that's great because I mean,
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Grammarly is an expensive subscription.
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It's like $120, $130 a year.
00:57:53
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So I'm sure there'll be a lot of people who, who moved to something like this, myself included.
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I don't know about the rewriting tools.
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I found them to be okay at best.
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They don't handle markdown particularly well.
00:58:09
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They do okay, but not, they, I've found the mangling URLs.
00:58:13
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I found the different tones to introduce grammar mistakes sometimes.
00:58:21
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I think the summaries are, are so general to be virtually useless to me throughout the
00:58:30
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Especially when you're on a webpage.
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I mean the, the writing ones I haven't used a lot yet.
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So I, I can't, you know, I mean, I have to heavily caveat all this by I've had this installed
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for 24 hours and I've only had it with everything.
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And most you've had it 48 like this is all day, day two or three impressions.
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So, so yeah, and like, look, I, I it's, I think there is a place for this kind of rewriting
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stuff for certain kinds of writing and things like that.
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It's just not something I'm ever going to use.
00:59:01
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Not even for an email.
00:59:02
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So it's interesting.
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I think the email and messages summaries are the best features.
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So email summaries, I love the inbox summary.
00:59:17
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It seems inconsistent as to why or why not it may give that summary, but it's, it's doing
00:59:24
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But like for example, you can also open an email and there's a summary thing at the top
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and it would do this for the entire thread if it's a threaded conversation or just for
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an individual email.
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That I do actually think is very useful because you get a lot, especially when you get a lot
00:59:38
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of HTML emails with a bunch of images and I don't know, I mean you just want to know
00:59:43
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what are the two pieces of information that are shoved way down the page that are in there.
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I found that it did a pretty good job on a couple of emails I got from companies that
00:59:51
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were just like alerts about something that was happening.
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Like I booked a hotel today and in the, like the subject, what would have been the subject,
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I guess the subject summary or whatever they call it, it just said like booking made from
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this date for this date, it costs this.
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I was like, that is like, that's all I ever need.
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I don't need to open that email.
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Also, like I, you know, I subscribe to email newsletters like we all do and I got an email
01:00:16
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newsletter, it was very long and I had summarized this and it gave me the information and then
01:00:21
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I was like, oh great, I do want to read this one.
01:00:24
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And so like I liked that where like, you know, like an email newsletter that's about six
01:00:29
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different topics rather than me scrolling through and seeing what those topics are,
01:00:33
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the summary could tell me.
01:00:35
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That button I think is actually very useful.
01:00:36
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I'm not so sure about the summaries that are in the list of your messages because, you
01:00:44
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know, it's still only three lines long and for the most part, if someone writes you a
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decent email, you're going to be able to, I get more out of who the email is from than
01:00:53
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what the first three lines say anyway and I don't think that the summary is going to
01:00:57
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change that behavior, but I think if you do open it because you do want to see what's
01:01:02
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in it, what you said with the button that's there, being able to summarize that and not
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scroll all the way through is a nice feature.
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I think it might be better when we have a situation where there's like back and forth
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and we've not read them and so like, because I think the iMessage summaries are a good
01:01:18
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example of this because I've been getting those.
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So I feel like so far it's been hit and miss, but mostly hidden as given like a basic idea
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of what is going on in a group thread.
01:01:32
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So these show in notifications, but also in the message list.
01:01:38
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Again, it's still a little bit unclear to me to what exactly triggers a summary.
01:01:43
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Like I have had a summary for one message.
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And it wasn't a particularly long message, but it was a paragraph.
01:01:54
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Someone just sent me one message and they, I think what was particularly helpful is they
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were talking about having like a busy couple of days and maybe we should talk about this
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in a couple of days.
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So I think it was the kind of thing where the system could really easily give me that
01:02:11
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But I've also had them for, I had one where it was a conversation I had with my two brothers
01:02:18
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and it says one of my brothers was sharing photos and screenshots of social media posts
01:02:23
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and I'm like, yep, that's what my brother does.
01:02:25
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Take screenshots of social media posts rather than sending them.
01:02:29
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One was a conversation between me, Steven and James Thompson, where James is sending
01:02:34
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us some pictures of the live show and it said shared photos of an auditorium of a stage
01:02:38
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and a projector screen.
01:02:39
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Yeah, that's exactly what it was.
01:02:41
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There was a conversation between the three of us where I think it did the best of what
01:02:45
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it could, where it said connected this week despite John's absence.
01:02:49
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Now it was obviously Federico's absence, but we didn't give in the message that context,
01:02:56
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so I actually don't really think it could have gotten that.
01:03:00
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And then another one was with me and Adina and the Liszt family talking about having
01:03:06
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a civil entry into the United States and having to wait for the train that they were getting.
01:03:12
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It was a 16 message iMessage thread and that was the general conversation that was going
01:03:18
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So like I really like these for group threads, but there I have two kind of things that I'm
01:03:24
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not sure about.
01:03:27
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Obviously for group chats that I don't have notifications for, these summaries aren't
01:03:32
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there, right?
01:03:34
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Because I don't want notifications for them, but I would like the summaries.
01:03:37
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In fact, I would like the summaries more for those, right?
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And I don't think, I have not been able to confirm this, but if you have a,
01:03:48
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so like sometimes if you have it off for, you can still see it in the message list.
01:03:53
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It will still show the little summary in the message list, but if you have a conversation
01:03:58
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as a pinned, I don't think it shows them for pinned messages at the moment.
01:04:02
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And I don't know if it will.
01:04:04
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Oh, interesting.
01:04:06
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That one, the notification that I mentioned that was a truncated one message, when I opened
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it, I have that person as a pinned contact and it didn't show me the summary there.
01:04:18
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It was the little bubble that was above their name.
01:04:20
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So I don't know if that's a decision or again, this stuff is early, but there is this funny
01:04:26
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thing of like, but I would like, say like our group chat that the three of us in Federico
01:04:32
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have, I have that muted because it can be very noisy, right?
01:04:35
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And it's, I assume we probably all have that muted notification wise.
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But I would really love it.
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It's too busy.
01:04:43
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It's too busy and we're all busy.
01:04:46
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I would love to get that for this, but I don't know if I can because I don't get notifications
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So interesting.
01:04:53
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But yeah, I really like the summaries of the conversations.
01:05:00
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I think it's a really cool feature that works so far pretty well, like about as well as
01:05:05
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I would imagine.
01:05:06
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Well, that explains why I haven't seen any of this because I really have my noisiest
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group chats pinned as it is.
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So I haven't really in the last 24 hours, I haven't had any non pinned ones where they
01:05:17
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were like, you know, half a dozen messages or whatever.
01:05:21
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See, this is the benefit of me setting this up on a device that I don't use all the time.
01:05:27
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Like it's not on my iPhone.
01:05:28
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So like I haven't muted all of those notifications, all those messages, threads.
01:05:33
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So like I'm getting the things for them.
01:05:36
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So yeah, it's a very interesting feature.
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And I think will be super useful for people that have a lot of message conversations going
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It's uh, it's Performa Month.
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Y'all excited?
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Performa Month.
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Performa Month.
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I didn't know that was a thing.
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Performa Month.
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What is now John?
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Are you celebrating?
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Can you feel it?
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You require it.
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I do require it.
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Look, when chat GPT first came out, I did this thing.
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I asked it a bunch of things about the Performa and it didn't know.
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And so I'm writing a series of blog posts to train AI models to answer Performa questions
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better for the people that come after us.
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Is this genuinely the reason you're doing this?
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No, doing it because it's a really good idea that no one told me I shouldn't do.
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That's not true either.
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Jason Snell begged me not to do it.
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But really here we are.
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So you may be asking, what is Performa Month?
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I'm intrigued.
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What is Performa Month?
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Well, in the month of August.
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How would we celebrate?
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How do you celebrate?
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You celebrate by reading a series of blog posts.
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The most exciting way to celebrate.
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Really the way that our founding fathers wanted us to celebrate as a nation is to read blog
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posts via open RSS feeds.
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And as long as there's a drinking game involved with it too, I'd be okay.
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Drink every time I write the word Performa in August and you will be dead because in
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five years from 92 to 97, Apple shipped over 40 models with the Performa badge and no one
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knows anything about them except that they were bad.
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And so I wanted to help the people because I'm a man of the people.
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And I've got a series of blog posts coming out in August covering every single one of
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those models and their history and where they came from and why they were bad.
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You have 40 machines in 31 days.
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It's about 13.
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Who are you doubling up?
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Well, it's about 13 or 14 blog posts and I'm about halfway through writing them.
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I've been working on this for a while in the background.
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This explains some of the weird stuff you've dropped into our group chat.
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And if you've been reading 512, I've been like, there were several things like while
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researching another project, this is the other project.
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So I've been deep in the Apple history archives in dev and think and online because when you're
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covering stuff from the 90s is actually really hard to find sources and you really got to
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kind of like dig deep and things very often don't agree with each other.
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In fact, I wrote a post yesterday that you'll see in a couple of weeks and sources just
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don't agree on how much the thing cost.
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And so I just wrote I don't know how much this cost because sources disagree.
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But it the performance often pointed to is like everything wrong with Apple in the 90s.
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And the line itself right there.
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There's no unique computers in the performer line.
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What the performer was, was rebadged other Mac models stuffed to the gills with bloatware
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and then sold at a discount through big box retailers.
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And for a lot of people, it was their first way into the Mac.
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So in some ways it did work right.
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Apple wanted to reach more families with the Macintosh and this was the way they did it
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to bring prices down.
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They stuffed it full of software no one wanted or needed.
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And it wasn't unsuccessful, but it was probably misguided.
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And as we get into this August unfold, you will see that Apple really didn't have a plan
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going into this.
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They basically would just like stroll through their own catalog of Macs and pick something
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and see what partners would be willing to put their software on it at a discount.
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And then they would sell it to Sears or to Montgomery Ward or whoever.
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And it's very confusing and there's so many models because they would release like the
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465 and the 467 or whatever like those are the same computer but different size hard
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drives so they got different model names which is not how anything should work.
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This has been built to order but it spawned a bunch of product names and a bunch of products
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that didn't really make sense.
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And it's been fun but also kind of frustrating in places trying to untangle it all for everybody.
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But that's what's up.
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That's what 512 pixels is going to be about in August.
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It's going to be all about the performer.
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This is a joke just for John but maybe like Mac performers is basically like the Ioneo.
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They just had another one going on sale a couple of days ago.
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Of course they did.
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You can set your watch to that thing.
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Oh yeah for sure.
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Stephen give me an example of bloatware on the performer.
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Okay so the Performa 560 had Clarisworks 2.0, Mac link plus translators, Quicken 4.0, Mac
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and tax 1040, Wealth Builder 3.0, Personal Recordkeeper 3.0, Willmaker 4.0, After Dark
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Starter Edition, Datebook Pro, Touch Base Pro, Apple Heritage Dictionary 3rd edition,
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Apple Edition of America Online, Groyler's Encyclopedia, Time Almanac of 1993, Monopoly,
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the World Tour Gold Edition.
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Those were all pre-installed on your hard drive.
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And then you got on CD another encyclopedia or the Encyclopedia of the Almanac and Monopoly
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World Tour were all on on those CD-ROMs.
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So a bunch of software on the disk, a bunch of stuff on CDs.
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Not all performers came with CDs, CD drives so it varied obviously.
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But yeah it's a real situation.
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I don't understand why somebody would need an app to make their will.
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Like how often are you doing it?
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A lawyer might be a better choice.
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Well I mean now you just ask Apple intelligence to do it.
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Yes of course.
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See that's a little joke about AI taking people's jobs.
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No it's good, it's good.
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When Stephen told me he was doing this I said to him that seems like a lot of work.
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I respect the commitment and if it makes you happy you should do it.
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That was my response and I messaged him and he told me he wanted to do this.
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It does seem like a lot of work.
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What did you say about performers that they were, what did you say misguided and what
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was it that you said?
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The performer?
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I mean to a degree it did its job of like getting people their first max but it was
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a pretty weird way of doing it.
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And Apple, what they should have done and what they did when Jobs came back and got
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rid of all this mess was just make a really good consumer Mac.
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But they weren't able to do that back then and so they got a bunch of quadras and LCs
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and other machines and just literally just put a different name on them and sold them
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through a different channel.
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Do you think that this could end up in a scenario where you buy all of these?
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This was the path of the IMAX.
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I did buy one because I wanted a photo of something really specific but I've only bought
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one computer so far and I'm like halfway through writing these.
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So far so good.
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At least you said so far.
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You didn't say I've only bought one or I'll only buy one.
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You said so far so you know yourself.
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There was one, it's actually the Performa 200 so that article comes out on the first.
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That one I really wanted a photo because that article is about like no these really were
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just other Mac models with new names and a bunch of bloatware.
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And so that one I wanted a photo of its actual counterpart but you never know what late night
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eBay Steven may get into.
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Do you have a saved search for performers?
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No because it would be a lot of results.
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Yeah, I mean I don't imagine you'll actually buy a lot of Performas.
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Maybe I'll be proven wrong but at least with the IMAX it was a much more limited set of
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computers and they were actually nicely designed.
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A lot of these are just beige boxes basically right?
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Yeah, not a lot of inspired design work.
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In fact the 500 series, that article comes out on the seventh is basically all about
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the design of the computer and the design is not good.
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Yeah this is a sad eBay search.
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It's full of very uninspiring imagery.
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Dirty beige computers.
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Yeah basically and they all look essentially the same.
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I did find a remote control with an Apple logo on it from a 1995 Macintosh LC 630 performer
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for 15 pounds.
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That's definitely not the name of the computer LC whatever you said 630 performer.
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Someone's doing some clickbait in their eBay search.
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But it's just like this weird bit of Apple history that I have not explored.
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I have not done much work in the 92 to 97 era.
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A lot of work including like 20 max right?
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Most of that stuff is in the Jobs 2.0 era or the very beginning right?
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These like middle years of just slog coming out of Apple is such a nightmare.
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So part of it was a challenge like you know what I haven't spent much time here and there's
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not a lot out there about these machines and it seemed like an opportunity to do something
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that probably for good reason no one else has done.
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So here we are.
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Yeah it seems like a real research challenge for sure given the time frame.
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Guess the price of an Apple Macintosh LC performer Quadra hard disk drive SCSI data cable on
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What are they actually selling a cable?
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Yeah it's a SCSI data cable for a hard disk drive.
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It should be like $8 but they're probably asking $100.
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Okay John do you want to guess?
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This is from John's vintage computer items.
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John is this you?
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No it's not me.
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Is this you John?
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I put a link to it in the Discord.
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No one should buy that.
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That's ridiculous.
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It's just a data cable for a performer.
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So yeah performer month.
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Get psyched.
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That's right.
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Beige max all month.
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Beige max all month.
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Beige let's go Beige.
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Let's go Beige.
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Let's go Beige.
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Steven no one has a commitment like you.
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Something like that.
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Because you must know you must know this isn't going to be the most popular thing you've
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And probably like effort to clicks might be.
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It's going to be bad.
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I respect you and your commitment you know for feeding the LLM.
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It goes back to the conversation we had.
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I mean sometimes it's the things that you care about most that get the fewest views.
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I've been there a million times.
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And look if you're out there and you want to sponsor this madness get in touch because
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I ain't making any money on this.
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I'll sponsor it.
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Okay we'll talk offline.
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Just a picture of me.
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Oh just literally there's a picture of you on the page?
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Yeah yeah Mike is sponsoring this.
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Not any of my business endeavors just me.
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Come up with something.
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We should sponsor it for Federico's birthday.
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This is brought to you by Federico.
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You can do more real work on a performer than any of the iPads that he uses.
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I mean with all that software you know good luck making a will on an iPad.
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You can't do real legal work on a tablet.
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Great point.
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Great point.
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I think that does it for this week.
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If you want to find links to things we spoke about especially performer month because my
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gosh why would you not want to know about performer month check out the links there
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in the show notes there on the web at relay.fm/connected/512.
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What a good episode number.
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Yeah we got pretty far into it about making lots of references to that.
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I know it's good.
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Although the header in Notion is a dock out this week which is fun.
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John thank you for joining us again.
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Where can people find you?
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You can find me over at maxstories.net where I'm writing and doing a bunch of other podcasts.
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Listen to MPC is so good.
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That's our portable handheld gaming podcast with Brendan Bigley, me and Federico.
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Yeah that's.
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I'm not into gaming but it seems like a good time.
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I'm not into performers but seems like good blog posts.
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We all have these things.
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Thank you John for joining us once again.
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It's always a pleasure to have you.
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Thanks for having me.
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If you want to find Mike his work is scattered across the relay universe.
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A bunch of shows and he does a bunch of awesome work over at Cortex brand.
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You can find Mike on social media as imyke.
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You can find me at 512pixels.net home of performer month.
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The best time of the year.
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Steven aren't you afraid that this is going to overshadow the St. Jude campaign?
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That's why this is in August and that's in September.
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Yeah but it starts August 28th.
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His last couple of days.
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They're not going to raise a cent.
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The culmination of performer month.
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Let me tell you that past Steven has already thought about that and I have a solution to
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You're going to destroy a performer.
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John I will never do that.
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Take that back.
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What sort of monster.
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I actually already have the PCs plural we're going to smash this year for the podcastathon.
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If you smashed a performer you might be able to find some $1,700 cables that you could
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It's like a real good pinata.
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What a pirate that person is.
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Okay you can find me at 512pixels.net and ismh86 on social media.
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I also host MacPower users here on Relay each and every Sunday.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week.
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There's a link in the show notes where you can sign up.
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There's also a link in the show notes to leave feedback or follow up for this episode.
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We'd love to hear from you.
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Until next time guys.
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Say goodbye.
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I did it again.
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I did it again.
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You guys wait too long.
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I did it again.
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I did it again.
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>> Thank you.