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0:00:00I know this is pre follow up and that's kind of against the rules to put

0:00:04anything before follow up in the show deliberately but John isn't here right

0:00:09now and so I can get away with it because I say I can I wanted to tell you

0:00:14guys that I have amended and changed my water routine for when I record the

0:00:21reason I've done that is because I have now killed errands laptop twice for this

0:00:26is the mighty Mugg I believe it's called and what's amazing about it is if I push

0:00:32on it it doesn't fall over yet if I just pick it up it works no problem getting

0:00:38my clothes are seeking get a so I can hear the water not spilling on the

0:00:41laptop yeah exactly so here we go I'm pushing nothing's happening how amazing

0:00:47is that and then if I just pick it up

0:00:49no problem so yeah so I just want to let you know that my water situation is now

0:00:55better because of underscore David Smith so I appreciate that makes everything

0:01:00better he really does and you know what else makes everything better

0:01:03doing a crossover with rocket and so the voice that you hear that is not John

0:01:09Siracusa is a friend of the show Christina Warren so Christina welcome

0:01:12and glad to be here I'm glad to be here I i feel like im not sure if you guys

0:01:19got the good end of the bargain or the bad and because John is on series is on

0:01:24a circus it is unlocked it right now the podcast I do with Breanna lou and Simone

0:01:29Desrochers and I'm here and I'm super excited but does are we and yeah some

0:01:35audience members are not a party scenes and Patriots come through which is

0:01:38optimal send them on forward like seriously still slip dude hey Don it's

0:01:44already happening it's already happening which is which honestly is awesome and

0:01:48here's the thing I mean like obviously I don't deal with as much as a lot of

0:01:52women on Twitter I'm very fortunate that I have a very thick skin because I am at

0:01:57the media business for a long time so obviously you can hate

0:02:02I hope the listeners don't hate me who they like me but if they dont thats ok

0:02:05and it's not gonna hurt my feelings

0:02:07yeah so we're we're just doing a little something special were like I said

0:02:10sending John Overton rocket we have Christina here which is excellent and by

0:02:15the way

0:02:15rocket is really good like I feel I i keep at it I think I keep not saying

0:02:20this in public cuz I I keep thinking I've already said it and I i dont wanna

0:02:24like say it like a tax on when we're talking about women in texarkana kind of

0:02:28seems like kind of patronizing but I really it is not only is it very good

0:02:32not only have I heard every episode but has quickly joined one of my top three

0:02:36priorities slots and overcast that when it comes out as I listened to it usually

0:02:40same day if not the next day because it is one of my favorites

0:02:45thank you I'm super super psyched to see it here that we've really enjoyed it you

0:02:49know it's been a fun process and I i dont know about about Bri but I know

0:02:54that I totally went into it was like yeah we totally want to do an ATP but

0:02:58with kind of female voices so thanks you guys for having created accidentally

0:03:03such a great show that we could get coffee and profit from

0:03:07agree with Marco said in unless this turn into a two-hour accidental me to

0:03:13admiration society but let's just let's start with some follow-up as per usual

0:03:18so I mean we are allowed to do follow up with a job to do whatever he's not here

0:03:22to yell at us like really like 30 seconds I mean I can't complain if

0:03:28that's what you guys need somebody to complain about stuff like I can do that

0:03:31I I'd be curious to hear that first of all how many windows you have open right

0:03:37now

0:03:38123456 so only six that's ok you're definitely not a John replacement now

0:03:47that's just not at all right so some quick follow-up a number one the show

0:03:55bodies apparently not working for the first time in months and I'm not going

0:03:59to try to diagnose it right now so that I now is already taking a turn we didn't

0:04:05expect this might relate to the fact that her ok was very recently changed

0:04:10their pricing and I'm not sure I'm not sure if the show bodies now run afoul of

0:04:15that and I

0:04:16I am NOT going to diagnose while I'm on the air is like one of those exciting

0:04:19new opportunities that really just makes everything worse and more expensive

0:04:21simple answer yes long answer me be begin with we're happy to announce we're

0:04:30incredibly excited to tell you about how we made our service worth more expensive

0:04:33exact sales forces happy to say that we finally figured out a way to profit off

0:04:37of all these what they call the Raptors what are they

0:04:42dinos dinos thank you to me this it's all I get these are all voodoo made up

0:04:49terms by Hercules so that that's exactly exactly so CSL iPod show by really

0:04:57quickly I alluded to Aaron's laptop earlier errands laptop is on its way to

0:05:01the depot whatever the depot is I brought it to the Apple store on Monday

0:05:06on Memorial Day fessed up in said water was spilled on it and this was about

0:05:11halfway through the conversation to genius and the moment I said water was

0:05:14spilled on it the conversation effectively ended and and he said ok

0:05:19that means it's a tier for repair which apparently obviously there's multiple

0:05:23tiers for sending it to the depot that's a tier for repair which will be six

0:05:27hundred and sixty-five dollars for parts no matter how much or little needs to be

0:05:30repaired plus $100 for labor plus tax so I mean for 754 755 I think it is I'm

0:05:36sorry sometimes $55.00 plus tax I'll get it back in about a week for MacBook Air

0:05:42correct that's right this is for a eight month old MacBook Air that I got errand

0:05:47for her for her birthday last year because I'm the best husband ever

0:05:50totally isn't it a shame that like Apple Care Plus on the phone and the watch and

0:05:55the iPad will cover water damage but they don't offer Apple Care Plus were

0:05:58built laptops because I would totally be amazing I would pay the ex another $50 I

0:06:05could get water damage covered a MacBook yet while on the other hand how much how

0:06:10much are they charging that is like a regular AppleCare on on that is 250 and

0:06:15350 for the 15th but doesn't stay mean if you added another $50 on my I

0:06:20personally would probably put me up for it but it would be like you know that we

0:06:26have

0:06:26because what is it worth the watch it's it's a hundred with the phone even 200

0:06:30bucks for regular but the phone at the hundreds of the regular and then it is

0:06:3475 for a replacement that you need to have a replacement you can have two of

0:06:39those for the iPad at a hundred and yet also a hundred but it is $50 per

0:06:45replacement apparently I'm assuming just based on this they must replace the

0:06:50whole lot more iPhones than they do I've had and that's why they charge you hire

0:06:54replacement ven in fact that the replacement P went up this year like it

0:06:58was $50 now I seventy-five but you know if you're like me and you're walking up

0:07:05some steps after a meeting with people and you literally fall for it and lick

0:07:09each other on your flip-flops and shatter your phone screen right before

0:07:13xoxo which coincidentally is the day before that iPhone 6 pre-orders go on

0:07:18sale like an annular like ok well I gotta go to the Apple store and get a

0:07:23new one came through I mean and people ago you could have just waited

0:07:28pre-ordered the Sixers like first of all I couldn't actually swiping the screen

0:07:31like I would declassify fingers second of all the phone has to go to my husband

0:07:36because he is my techie me downs

0:07:38probably cause problems if you gave him a shattered untouchable completely

0:07:43forgot he did that with the iPhone 444 s

0:07:50was ok that one wasn't that bad but it's a little bit chipped and I never before

0:07:57they had I think the AppleCare that covered the the damage that civil damage

0:08:02or whatever and so it worked fine and he ended up doing something to it and then

0:08:08I think he wanted to give it to a homeless person only New York you guys

0:08:11ok to go from there

0:08:14my goodness silly sooo errands laptop is at the depot getting repaired I'm

0:08:19already getting suggestions in the chatroom about what I could or should

0:08:22have done with respect to those of you making those suggestions

0:08:25don't care to read on the ship has sailed it is what it is I'm curious

0:08:29though because when you're talking almost a hundred bucks to repair it

0:08:33that's fairly close to the price of replacing it right exactly so I'm

0:08:36curious why you chose to go that route I mean is it just like three or four

0:08:39hundred bucks you guys thought was enough

0:08:42the $300 just didn't seem worth it to me since the machine was so darn close to

0:08:46new and Aaron doesn't have particularly robust needs of her computer if if

0:08:53anything I'm the one who has bigger needs insofar as it needs to be able to

0:08:58withstand spills and you you know podcasting whatnot so it just didn't

0:09:02seem worth it to me to spend another three or four dollars to get something

0:09:06brand new and this tier for repairs basically gonna go through the entire

0:09:10computer and replace darn near all of it so I I didn't see the point doing

0:09:15anything different people are saying oh well you could have sold it for parts

0:09:19and got a new one yes I'm sure I could have I could have gazelle did perhaps

0:09:22yes I'm sure I could have it just seemed like they probably testify that they do

0:09:27it because I will give you a discount edge another money if they find the best

0:09:31amateur submissive useful because I'll say it has water damage they would say

0:09:34okay well we value the set $300 in which case though you still want him up

0:09:40same amount of money anyway buy a new one that they do have a new yeah but

0:09:44he's basically gonna get a new one anyway

0:09:46exactly well there are a couple things that he looks so there's no you don't

0:09:50have Broadwell right about that thats I was going to say you are actually

0:09:53corrected the new the new one would have brought whereas you know that the 2014

0:09:57just had to have goals and the new one but also have a warranty that started

0:10:00today

0:10:00day that's true you could have a quarterback this differently no no

0:10:06argument but it's just I just wanted it done in fixed and this was the most

0:10:11reasonable way in which I felt I could do that without spending $300 that seem

0:10:16to me to be unnecessary it is not it is certainly I would have gotten or Aaron

0:10:21would have gotten things for that $300 but it's it wasn't a big enough

0:10:24difference to really justified in my personal estimation you as in the

0:10:28collective you may not agree and that's ok and we're gonna hear about it and

0:10:32we're going to hear about it you know the thing too is that since I think that

0:10:36they'll be able to just like move all the data over whatever I mean that you

0:10:39know I mean I'm sure you have an entire time machine backup strategy and all

0:10:43that stuff done you know we all had personalities I think we all have the

0:10:46same model the eighteen thirteen plot but you know you have a whole set of

0:10:52going that way but even just the process of having to reset everything up again I

0:10:55think it'll come back with its hard drive everything intact mean that is

0:10:59probably worth not getting the new machine and having to set it all up

0:11:02again exactly it's just not worth it to me so that's the way it is and keep

0:11:07getting sick of this follow-up let's move on we got a lot of follow up about

0:11:11running with your iPhone and quite honestly I don't care because nobody

0:11:17really have any answers so let me let me since John isn't here just say nobody

0:11:22really knows what the hell is going on and that's basically the right to skip

0:11:27right over this I actually just about fifteen minutes ago

0:11:30rep for the show I was for the first time running briefly turning briefly and

0:11:38then walking a lot between them with my watch with no phone because I had to

0:11:44fill my green circle for the day

0:11:46great and it's been raining all day as you know being in New York yes broke it

0:11:51started raining later this afternoon be it's been gross lol yeah it's it's been

0:11:55pouring rain for my entire potential dog walking window that I usually take which

0:12:00is basically anytime after four so i knew i be recording the show until

0:12:05almost midnight in all likelihood so sorry if you did to prepare for

0:12:11told you I didn't know it's going to go on that long I mean I'm totally cool

0:12:16with that my husband used in his office

0:12:18like he might get a little hehehehe the play xbox and sonar which is this

0:12:25amazing torn team newsgroup

0:12:27no I don't think we're supposed to know about things like that no probably not

0:12:31just talk about things like this but it's amazing it's basically like unison

0:12:34kind of it's basically an app that it has a really good interface about that

0:12:37you can connect it to a private torrent tracker or to newsgroups which is how we

0:12:42have set up and basically find any TV show you want and it'll find him

0:12:46whatever quality you wanted to do and then it all

0:12:48target and label it entitle it exactly as you want and and pilot on your own

0:12:54hours or whatever the way you want it and then put just in Port Sudan and all

0:12:59the sudden you have every episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians story

0:13:06it's kind of sort of popcorn time but not necessarily about the streaming

0:13:10portion exactly because like it's actually locally downloading at its just

0:13:14making it super easy to do so for instance I am I wanted to watch Keeping

0:13:18Up with the Kardashians but also we have all these pure silicon valley and the

0:13:22thing is to pay for HBO and HBO Go actually have a subscription to HBO now

0:13:27which I know is superfluous but I got a six-month subscription for free so I've

0:13:32got that in addition to the issue we pay for which has all the on demand stuff

0:13:35but there's just something about how fast I don't know how is it beyond now

0:13:40in general it's good I mean it's identical to HBO Go so you don't have

0:13:44live content meaning like there's not like live linear programming but

0:13:48basically within an hour or two about airing on TV it's available in the App

0:13:52it looks really good on the AppleTV and that the iPhone and iPad apps are really

0:13:57good

0:13:57the web interface is good to HBO Go recently updated their routes to look

0:14:02the same so that's an improvement but no I mean it's good cause you have entire

0:14:05catalog not only currently airing shows but their whole like every HBO

0:14:10production so pleasant and her show because that was done by Sony but

0:14:16everything from autos which was the 1997 basically onward original series is on

0:14:21there so you know all the wires Sex in the City

0:14:24knows the date love you obviously Game of Thrones the girls I mean everything

0:14:32is there as well as a lot of the documentaries as well as whatever

0:14:36first-run movies that got through that month and in whatever catalog titles

0:14:40they happen to have and no me that comedy specials like I found at Old

0:14:46Colony special from from Kathy Griffin from like 1995 or 1996 that I probably

0:14:51hadn't seen since 1996 and Noemi it it's interesting just the amount of content

0:14:57the stair it's it's really nice and so it's everything you would get an HBO Go

0:15:02but without having have the cable subscription any other follow-up is we

0:15:08might have made record time through this and I'm pretty smug about that rain he's

0:15:14going to kill us this is great yeah he's got he's gonna get so mad listeners

0:15:18gonna get so mad in the same thing is that even though this is really my fault

0:15:21blame blame blame a girl but by a hashtag blame film girl no but it is

0:15:28interesting that and with you guys nobody really knows how to step things

0:15:32are updated what's interesting to me marker you're talking about how you had

0:15:35to get your green circle so I've been reviewing the pebble time did the new

0:15:39pebble Smart Watch and so I had to take off my hunch and the thing I've missed

0:15:46the most to be totally honest has been like my green circles that's surprising

0:15:51are using it with an iPhone or Android iPhone and how are you allowed to say

0:15:55like how is it or do you wanna save it for your show and I mean my my my review

0:15:59of life stepped up buying no I mean I like it it's it's an interesting product

0:16:05because you know I feel like they had a real head start for a long time but

0:16:09obviously the market has changed is that is nice as an apple watch obviously not

0:16:13even looking at it it looks like a sports watch having said that you know I

0:16:18spent almost $100 with tax and everything on my Apple watch because

0:16:23that's how much money on the stainless steel with the classic leather buckle I

0:16:27don't really feel comfortable running or working out with it and be completely

0:16:30honest I just doing that's just too much money for me to have my rest till I get

0:16:33scratched up maybe other people feel differently but for me

0:16:36it doesn't exactly feel like a great sports device for me where is the pebble

0:16:41is doing a box plastic and has an e-paper display and is waterproof and

0:16:48has a really good battery life and so that's the sort of thing life is going

0:16:51out running or working out or whatever I do like a if something happens to this

0:16:55no big deal and basically is take it was good about the people in the improved

0:17:00upon it the problem is that pursuing a dollars again gave up we have this thing

0:17:04national choice which is like a good housekeeping seal of approval or

0:17:08whatever and I gave it the mass will choice and that doesn't mean that I

0:17:11think it's better than the Apple watch because that's not what this means just

0:17:13means would you recommend this to someone and under the right

0:17:15circumstances I totally would mean a $2 watch the does a really good job doing

0:17:22what it does and it actually works fairly well I last although it works

0:17:25better than droid but the hard thing is when I say would you buy this over that

0:17:31would you say don't like the Apple wash even know what my Apple watch was almost

0:17:35four times the cost it's it's hard for me to kind of compare them because they

0:17:39they are different devices I feel like $350 watch forces two hundred and so get

0:17:45the edge the Apple watch and that's going to be a different experience and

0:17:48obviously have a different ecosystem but for the the current product if you're

0:17:52somebody who doesn't care about the looks and you're not as invested in

0:17:56Apple ecosystem I think it's certainly a ton better than a turd we're like light

0:18:02years ahead of interest where you get with our / your shiny and it does a lot

0:18:06of the same things that you can do now

0:18:09now will change once WWDC rolls around and come up next wave of absent things

0:18:15like that happen that could change the conversation and I certainly worried

0:18:19about the company's longevity and you know going forward but it's not about

0:18:23product and an especially first sports white which is why I back to my

0:18:26Kickstarter a I like to back a little guys be you know this is going to be

0:18:31something that I use when I ride my bike or I go running and i dont wanna you

0:18:35know this crash at the krome that the stainless steel you know Apple watch C

0:18:40that I think that's an interesting point to go into a little bit like it's a kind

0:18:44of a problem that Apple made the steel watch too nice to me like I decided

0:18:49because I

0:18:49I have the same one as you sip 4238 right yes yes I have the stainless steel

0:18:5442 with classic buckle and love it you have to you know because they're not

0:18:59shipping and that was way ahead I had to cancel my modern buckle order why didn't

0:19:04cancel it I ordered a second place the second order and then cancel my modern

0:19:07buckled her after I got my second order yet its modern buckle is scheduled to

0:19:11hold water bottle watches got to be here June 4th or 11th I don't have not heard

0:19:15of any times earlier than that

0:19:17know that I am I didn't even have indeed I just thought June and I had so much I

0:19:22had serious like that's how the audience about not having the Apple watch that I

0:19:30replaced it was like eight days after it started shipping and I placed the second

0:19:34order I placed the order on the Saturday and I got my watch on a Tuesday that's

0:19:37insane it was and I was like ok you know what

0:19:41worth it because those those eleven days about that Apple watch you guys you live

0:19:48on the internet I mean c'mon I do exactly is like for me of all ppl my my

0:19:51nickname at CMAC for christ sake lake for me not to have the latest Apple

0:19:55product I really did it was terrible so did for 311 that what they said yeah

0:20:00cool so yeah I'm sure she'll be one of the first people that I've seen you can

0:20:05even order it by itself or else available and I will get the modern

0:20:09buckle as soon as it shapes up early in the 250 and get the pink band but yeah

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0:23:39big news today and I mean that non sarcastically

0:23:43well i think im the native Apple watch SDK which we all knew was coming

0:23:49eventually apparently is coming like seem like

0:23:52apparently wEDC time so I think Marco you're probably most well-equipped to

0:23:58kind of kick this off how does that make you feel what do you think about that

0:24:01doesn't change anything

0:24:03did you cry happy tears what's going on so I'm really happy about it first of

0:24:07all i mean whether or not I i want to use it immediately is a different story

0:24:11we'll see when it when it comes out but I'm extremely happy and pleasantly

0:24:15surprised I I was assuming its I've said this a number of times I've been

0:24:18assuming that it would come in November and that we would be able to run the

0:24:23absolute 3 with it maybe next spring with the launch of watch to order and so

0:24:28this is this is a good few months earlier than I was expecting and that's

0:24:34why I'm just happy I'm happy we did anything about it yet all we know is

0:24:38that today on i think is on stage right as G

0:24:42yes that's so was it was Jeff Williams right it but yes so Jeff Williams the

0:24:47current Apple CEO

0:24:50was giving an interview and he said that that they would be the native SDK at the

0:24:55BBC this year so being announced in 10 days to weeks whatever so really soon so

0:25:02this is i mean this is potentially really great with there are so many

0:25:06questions like I am writing a blog those I'm still drafting it like my giant list

0:25:11of questions about things about with the SDK you know just you know some of the

0:25:15simple things like how much storage space do taps have to use the fight that

0:25:19there's actually think about the reality of having native kodak's on the launch

0:25:24there really are quite a lot of questions come up as a result of that it

0:25:30like just simple things like okay you have the app on the watch you have the

0:25:34app on the phone how they communicate and share data an async what happens

0:25:38when the washes away from the phone that comes back to that then have to sink the

0:25:41data manually there there are so many little guys like that what kind of

0:25:46restrictions will there be on backgrounding as you know from the

0:25:49iPhone backgrounding and multiprocessing and background network fetches

0:25:55background to refresh all these things that we take for granted now on the

0:25:59iPhone I'm betting we get almost none of them to watch battery alone I think that

0:26:04would that would kind of put the kibosh on a lot of that what I think would be

0:26:08interested and will obviously have to wait another 10 days to see going back

0:26:13to the pedal a little bit more interesting things that they've done

0:26:16with their model and you know their code execution myla's is very very different

0:26:20and much more limited than it is in the iPhone but they have a thing where you

0:26:23can basically have your javascript apps like fully executed on the watch their

0:26:27step out that the four scares me the swarm out that live there and then there

0:26:31are some apps that actually talk to a companion app on your phone which is

0:26:34similar to what the Apple March does now so I think it'll be interesting to see

0:26:38if they because people has had to deal with some of the same constraint granted

0:26:43at a much lower scale and and with much higher memory constraints but I it'll be

0:26:47interesting to see how Apple's philosophy differs from what other

0:26:50people have done from weather problems have done and maybe what they've learned

0:26:54from those things that worked exactly because I mean this is a question to

0:27:00start asking like

0:27:01what will this be and you know we'll know well known two weeks at least 10 a

0:27:05lot of it but there's also there's going to be a i think a political policy angle

0:27:12here which is like you know every time Apple releases a new platform enables

0:27:18new major new functionality it gives them an opportunity to enforce and shape

0:27:24things to fit their political goals so for example like maybe watch absolutely

0:27:30required to be written in swift for no technical reason just just as a

0:27:34requirement to to promote swift adoption may be there may be certain things you

0:27:38know I guarantee you that certain things that are allowed today in iPhone apps

0:27:43won't be allowed and watch apps and we don't know what those things are yet but

0:27:46I'm sure that I'm sure there is a list right and so like it's going to be

0:27:49interesting it's going to be possibly a little bit bumpy as we get this going

0:27:56but I think it's gonna be really interesting and I'm just really curious

0:27:59to see any just basic stuff like the iPhone has like there's there's so much

0:28:05API available on the iPhone that there are so many libraries and functions and

0:28:10interface which I mean do we think even runs UIKit I'm guessing it has its own

0:28:15simplified thing you know all we know is what watch it gives us but watch it is

0:28:19really dislike I'm guessing watched it in little like separate sandbox it gives

0:28:24us to play and I'm guessing that has very little to do with the with the

0:28:28native API yeah one of the things I've been thinking about which i think is a

0:28:34kind of ridiculous idea but an interesting thought exercise if nothing

0:28:39else is what if Apple by way of a preview and you you can't touch this

0:28:43Marco with your political stuff earlier what if Apple by way of a preview

0:28:48basically says well you don't really need to go needed for this so we're

0:28:53going to reject this go back to the watch KPI's that you have today in you

0:28:58know so for things like overcast which this is probably a prime example but

0:29:02overcast may not absolutely media native API so you know what we're battery life

0:29:10is important to us Marco I'm sorry you're just got to stick to the remote

0:29:14whatever it is that that that you have today we're not going to allow you to

0:29:18use the native API's because we just don't think you're worthy I doubt they

0:29:22do that but it's certainly something that they could do if they so desired

0:29:27totally and I don't right now you know all I know all we know is that they said

0:29:32they're going to be a native SDK and and he mentioned the league games be

0:29:35possible in sensor access be possible that's great but my app requires

0:29:40continuous audio playback even when does not showing on screen on the iPhone that

0:29:46allowed will appeal out of the water we don't know I don't even know like we'll

0:29:51even have a V Foundation Inc or audio will will the watch expose API is that

0:29:56can play sound to the native it to the third party SDK and we have absolutely

0:30:00no idea so it's like there's so many big questions here

0:30:04rightly so many big questions and we won't know it really until until next

0:30:10week we have no idea

0:30:12yeah I'm really curious to see where this goes and I'm wondering how much

0:30:17they allow like so as an example let's suppose that there is no mechanism Marco

0:30:22that you can see wearing you could actually put podcast onto the watch and

0:30:27play them directly off the watch so you're limited to the same kind of

0:30:31situation you have today where the phone is the thing actually doing playback

0:30:35what do you think just sitting here now not really knowing anything do you do

0:30:39you suspect he would still reach for a native API SDK just on account of speed

0:30:44you or was it actually not that interesting to you if you can't get

0:30:47files onto the device it is certainly interesting either way because no matter

0:30:53what I'm sure a native app would be faster to launch more responsive I could

0:30:58like they're they're even there even a lot of like a little annoying

0:31:01limitations about what you can do in the UI with watch get that it would be nice

0:31:06to have more control over that and and to have more you know just more

0:31:11abilities of things you can do is watch it is very limited but if I can actually

0:31:17get the files over there and play them without a phone present which is what

0:31:20most people are asking for it is like you know that's but that's what they

0:31:23want is you can put music you know on the

0:31:26you can put her data on the watch obviously when they want to be able to

0:31:30listen to a podcast and use overcast so I can have my speed settings to go

0:31:36through it or whatever

0:31:37exactly i mean an end we know from the process of putting the music on to it

0:31:41that it kinda sucks like it's kind of slow and clunky and manual and so I'm

0:31:48right now I have no knowledge of whether or not it is whether or not an overcast

0:31:53native app on the watch will be possible

0:31:56like technically possible whether it will be allowed and whether it will suck

0:32:01or not I had no information on any of those things so I can't say right now

0:32:06whether gonna make a nap and then of course secondarily there there's a

0:32:10question of whether it's worth it because there's gonna be a lot of

0:32:13complexity but what I'm really curious about is just the realities of syncing

0:32:18data between the two apps between the the watch out on the phone app that you

0:32:23know what we'll see in reality what that entails but that's a big question mark

0:32:28know that's a really good point because that's going to be slow already over

0:32:32over Bluetooth and obviously like what what's your latency on that and how long

0:32:36you do you look for it for Tobias you know so that it can keep things in sync

0:32:41like how often does it does it all for that sort of thing yeah you're right but

0:32:46I think that do you think it's possible that maybe we could see kind of Outworld

0:32:51a pirated apps where you have parts of it they are the companion apps the

0:32:56glasses the sorts of things we have now but there are other parts that are

0:32:58needed to existing on the watch itself so that you can do things like load

0:33:03faster and and pull in maybe custom UI beds or or you know load and other sorts

0:33:08of coding execute natively on the watch while still maybe the data that is it's

0:33:13using this tool being pulled from the phone app itself as a good question I

0:33:17mean we don't know yet I mean there there's there's party a question which

0:33:21is like

0:33:23can can can part of your watch presence be watched it and can part of it being

0:33:28made it and I'm guessing the answer to that is no but you know just for

0:33:32simplicity sake and in the loaders and stuff

0:33:34but I don't know that I'm also curious though you know you mentioned glances

0:33:38like right now glances a very limited third party apps because we can't have

0:33:42any controls on the entire glance of taxes one giant button to launch the app

0:33:46I would greatly benefit from a glance that could have buttons on it right now

0:33:53my glances moderately useful but it would be a lot more useful if I could

0:33:58have liked to see can pause button on the way that the building now playing

0:34:01class does that would be extremely helpful to me in and right now i cant do

0:34:06that so that's worth noting I'm also curious about whether will have access

0:34:11to third-party complications that would so competition on the basis that would

0:34:18be extremely interesting and and very very compelling to me i i I might even

0:34:24try making different kinds of apps that aren't overcast but I don't really get

0:34:28there's not really much reason to have overcast in a complication except maybe

0:34:31to play controls with that seems I don't think that would be possible or good

0:34:363842 I look ok but on the 38 millimeters screens don't don't don't even bother

0:34:43exactly so I'm not expecting that but you know if if we can have their pretty

0:34:47complications for other kinds of apps like I would love whether line my

0:34:52favorite whether I would love whether line to be able to be a complication and

0:34:55have a little icon on the bottom the bottom skinny slot on the utility face

0:35:01to face I would also end so if we have like their party complications for other

0:35:07kinds of apps that aren't overcast and then you have buttons and glances at

0:35:11things like overcast I i think that goes a very long way and I really really hope

0:35:16we get something like that and when I get an inversion one i don't i don't

0:35:20necessarily expect to but we'll see I really hope we do it at that could be

0:35:24HUGE that being said I i'm just still overall very excited about what the

0:35:30native st cable get us I don't know yet if overcast will be able to have a

0:35:34native app that that is possible and allowed it doesn't suck in inversion one

0:35:39of the SDK but I'm really glad that there's a chance you know I was thinking

0:35:43that what if you what if I just lived in overcast

0:35:47actually kinda true but overcast is my jam that's really the only thing I

0:35:51listened to on my computer on my phone and potentially on my watch I could see

0:35:55a complication for just remaining time in the in the podcasts currently plane

0:35:59that's actually a good idea yeah I think that would be useful if overcast a sort

0:36:04of thing that basically if I'm doing anything entertainment-related I'm using

0:36:09overcast so even something simple like that could be could be helpful in and I

0:36:13am one of many that wrote posts about how I think third-party complications

0:36:18would be a really awesome idea and I don't even know where it would go but

0:36:25just the thought of being able to support that sort of thing sounds really

0:36:29awesome to me I mean I I had some examples on this post which will put the

0:36:32show notes you know you could have something very simple from etrade

0:36:36showing you how well or poorly your portfolio is doing or may be just what

0:36:41you're next

0:36:42itinerary item is from trip it or I don't know what if you had to test Marco

0:36:47and wanted to know your battery status or whatever the case may be or what

0:36:51what's the next delivery arriving at your house which for most of us is an

0:36:54apple watching three months he also sports scores any one of these things

0:36:59could be a reasonably good complication and Mark wanna know if there's any

0:37:05terribly awesome ideas for overcast but I could see all sorts of really nifty

0:37:09things you could do with complications in I'm skeptical that will be part of

0:37:12the API for now but I do think that it would be really awesome if they existed

0:37:19thoughts on that yeah I mean I think I would love to see more complications I

0:37:23think that would be great especially if Apple can enforce their own UI

0:37:26guidelines I think that would be tremendous and really to meet I think

0:37:30that would be much better than allowing people to submit their faces because

0:37:33there's just gonna become the way that third-party keyboards have have tended

0:37:39to become like keep it clean but having publications would be really great but

0:37:45just on the fact that there is going to be this this preview of an SDK I'm just

0:37:49excited about that

0:37:51like you market mostly because it into user feel like this is the first time

0:37:55will you get a chance to see what people can do with this device because we've

0:37:59been kind of pampered a little bit

0:38:01by just being you know kind of you know the the companion app aspect that you're

0:38:05having to go through the phone and I'm really looking forward you even if it's

0:38:10not a ton of power even if it's not everything the fact that the developers

0:38:14will be able to build things and execute directly on the watch because I have

0:38:18said this before I mean I feel like it whether this one of the Apple watch

0:38:21ultimately end up being his successor failures gonna live and die based on

0:38:25what apps are out for it I think the app experience is gonna be key and we

0:38:29haven't at least I I enjoy some of the apps on the Apple washing I really like

0:38:33my whole watch that had other than maybe mapping Sep haven't had that kind of the

0:38:37killer app yet and I feel like this will be the thing that helped push that sort

0:38:41of thing forward oh definitely you know right now it feels like the watch is a

0:38:47really good watch with fun stuff on the face the complications that it has a

0:38:53really good nice watch I don't view it as an a platform for 44 much use because

0:38:59the apps aren't that great and I use very few of them as a result it's still

0:39:04a great product to me because I like the rest of what it does

0:39:07like I I love the just the time keeping us but I love the faces of the

0:39:11complication of having the weather on my watch the activity tracking having all

0:39:15these look easy access to timers and stuff like it is I love the features

0:39:19that already has with no absence daughter all but it sure would be nice

0:39:23to see does does the idea of getting faster better more capable apps does

0:39:30that affect things and it might not it might end up that dealing with a watch

0:39:37on your wrist is just cut is so like kind of clunky and limited it might end

0:39:43up that most people prefer to pull their fun of the pocket to do any kind of

0:39:46complex after action but we don't know that yet because right now absent the

0:39:51water we have had a fair chance was watching it is so limited in SLO yeah I

0:39:55agree the only thing that I kind of dread about the pending native app tabs

0:40:01on the watches you know that we're just gonna get swarmed with a bunch of crap

0:40:05games that nobody really wants to play and I'm not looking forward to that

0:40:09but everything else sounds really exciting and I'm really curious to see

0:40:13how it goes now Jeff Williams did say if I'm not mistaken explicitly that it's a

0:40:18preview

0:40:19that's coming next week after next

0:40:22when do you think guys and I'll start with Christina if you were to just you

0:40:26know have a gas one do you think the first native watch apps from third

0:40:31parties will be available in the store with a fall

0:40:34yeah i i think i agree i mean that it would follow the iOS beta timeline if

0:40:40they did that exactly and and whatever whatever the final exit code is out but

0:40:44I would think that the public can be part of Iowa steinem probably whatever

0:40:48the next you know watch OS update is 1.5 or whatever they call it will add

0:40:53support for native out but I think we'll preview it next week or the week after

0:40:57next and then they will have it rolled out in October ish but that's exactly

0:41:03what I was thinking maybe that was said the chat rooms saying maybe they said

0:41:06that so I missed it if so but I think that makes the most sense to me for sure

0:41:10any other thoughts on need to watch out before we move on I do worry about

0:41:16battery life long term like right now the watch battery life is great

0:41:21like you know what you think is 38 incidentally worse yeah I mean it's been

0:41:26good for me provided I don't have too many apps installed and about a third of

0:41:31the thing that I had to get used to it was like just install the ones I like in

0:41:34the values of overcast terrific and I have over and there are a couple of

0:41:38others that I have I don't have a talent glances it's all just the ones that I

0:41:42really use you know one password and a couple other things but no I've actually

0:41:47been really impressed with battery life but I this is I feel like it could go

0:41:51both ways like on the one hand it could meet the tax the battery more on the

0:41:55other hand it's possible that it might be more efficient potentially not I

0:42:00don't know if there's enough to pull and since the back and forth over Bluetooth

0:42:03all the time I don't know that's a good point I thought about that but yeah I

0:42:07guess it depends a lot on like weather apps will be able to do things like

0:42:09background refresh and I'm guessing the answer is no but

0:42:13that that will have a lot to do with them sure yeah I'm very curious to see

0:42:16what the limits are on that because you know back background processing on the

0:42:20iPhone if you're doing kind of traditional stop that still limited to

0:42:2410 minutes is that correct on the iPhone it even shorter than that now they they

0:42:29change it they they threatened to change it and I S seven they threatened to make

0:42:35it so that you would get you could get the whole time sizes but they wouldn't

0:42:37be contiguous that caused so many bugs during the data so it was either seven

0:42:42or eight because so many bugs with such a pain that they they give you back your

0:42:46contiguous block but now as of 10 minutes I think it's four minutes to its

0:42:50that time keeps going down so I I'm guessing like you on the watch for 10

0:42:57minutes in the background just note it alright that's what I was driving a

0:43:01tease I wonder if the limit is 30 seconds or maybe even fifteen seconds

0:43:05whatever it may be

0:43:06I'm very curious to see what they do to kind of handcuffed developers and

0:43:12prevent them from doing stupid stuff really quickly before we talk about

0:43:16another thing that's awesome I wanted to ask you guys I am not really into

0:43:20glances like I think a lot of other people are in Christianity made mention

0:43:23of the second ago I'm looking at my watch right now and I have the I think

0:43:27it's a settings lansbury can do like airplane mode and all that I have the

0:43:31battery glands which I'm trying to convince myself to remove because I have

0:43:35not yet once hit power reserve but I don't know it's still kind of weirds me

0:43:39out that I don't know of any other way to easily look at the battery without

0:43:42adding a complication I wish it wasn't settings or something so I really really

0:43:47wanted to know I could figure it out without having to add the clamps but

0:43:51anyway I have trip it which I am only keeping on there for the next few weeks

0:43:55cuz I'm doing a bit of traveling like WC I have dark sky I have the heart rate in

0:44:01case I want to try to convince you that I'm exercising even when I'm not a hint

0:44:05I have you had the day well i get if i feel like i've run up and down stairs 15

0:44:11times my hardest but I can't put over to the heart rate plans little better my

0:44:15heart rate or I can tell to measure my heart rate maybe I'll get a minute of

0:44:18credit

0:44:18and my final glance which was added earlier today was the wEDC I but that's

0:44:23it that's all I have so let me start again with Christina what do you have on

0:44:27their you kinda quickly ran them off but it blew right by me before I had a

0:44:31chance to add it up in my head what do you have on there in in are you looking

0:44:35to add or remove any yes I try to keep it as normal as possible you know I got

0:44:40rid of stock board of a bunch of them they just kind of wasn't really using so

0:44:44I have one for the subway from a three mile per hour on and that's actually

0:44:50pretty good watching up I have to say that generally nice job of that side

0:44:53sitting out the battery and the heart rage I have

0:44:58overcast I have trip it's but again it's mostly been traveling so I don't have it

0:45:03up all the time I have 10 I have often thought the story line my two factor

0:45:08authentication that anyone pastoral do that but obviously easier to just have

0:45:12to factor for ya gotta keep mine simple and then it's why I have the built-in

0:45:20settings now playing activity battery which had turned off but it somehow got

0:45:25turned back on I gotta look into that and overcast and that's it so the only

0:45:30third-party when I have is overcast interesting to me like the glasses are

0:45:34like OS 10 Mac Dashboard widgets totally you know they they they said they sit

0:45:40around they're not up in themselves until you go to them and in the end it

0:45:44there showing old data and you have to wait for it to spend an update itself

0:45:47it's kind of a crappy experience if you actually want to just plan something

0:45:52because it's not loaded yet so you have to go see the old stuff and weight and

0:45:56that that's not great so I don't really care to have more of those then the

0:46:02necessary I also think you know but when you're sleeping through it just like a

0:46:06side-by-side cards right thing

0:46:08interaction and so you can't have a very long list there without it being a

0:46:11little guilty to navigate through yeah I agree I feel like it was a teacher

0:46:16although I may have that wrong that had said that he had a bunch of glances like

0:46:2110 or 15 points or something like that and whoever it was maybe it wasn't

0:46:25federico I I thought to myself really

0:46:27because I have a fair number of third party apps on my watch although I don't

0:46:31use very many overcast being one that I use a lot as an example but I personally

0:46:37don't care for most glances and not to be corny but the only time I really

0:46:43wanna have a glance as if it's something that I want to just glanced at like trip

0:46:48it like what's coming next the wEDC like my battery life if I can ever convince

0:46:53myself to remove it but you know things like that where I'm just gonna look for

0:46:57a second and then move on and then I'm gonna use an app for something like

0:47:02overcast morning to be going in and out of it or maybe I wanna up for a while

0:47:05because I'm gonna be fiddling with it a lot in glances just don't really cut it

0:47:09for me and so I was curious and sounds like we're all kind of the same mind in

0:47:12this one

0:47:12well and also for for that kind of like quick cleansing and and quick launching

0:47:16complications are better in every way for those things he does so like I I

0:47:22love having the complications on the face that let me remove a glance and

0:47:27that let me not not ever have to go to the home screen which I hate to to find

0:47:32the app and and do something they're like I love having having the

0:47:35complications there and so I don't know I'm curious also just see it as as the

0:47:40watch software get updated by Apple do we get more watch faces you know how how

0:47:46often do you get a new watch face doing get new complications from Apple being

0:47:50added or do some of these Justin watch face the don't have complications which

0:47:54is a lot of them to those dean complications get updated yeah yeah you

0:47:58know there's there's so many questions do we get a burglary watch

0:48:02yeah i think im I'm just as excited you know because the watch for me is like

0:48:07you know half the value or more as the built-in stuff I'm also excited to see

0:48:12what software updates bring to the water from Apple

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0:52:56alright so other big news last week on Monday Apple announced that johnnie I is

0:53:03promote promote retired

0:53:06noted what what do we think about that so the the quick recap is they've said

0:53:14that Apple Jony ive has been promoted to chief design officer is that correct

0:53:20yes yes a newly created position newly-created positions who is now in

0:53:24the c-suite and day-to-day managerial duties been passed off to to the

0:53:29tenant's right and this was all reported by the actors / humongous geek / all

0:53:35around awesome person Stephen Fry / Johnny eyes BFF who is mentioned I think

0:53:40thrice in the New Yorker profile maybe he was only mentioned twice I think that

0:53:45the Chris Martin Coldplay was mentioned it three times either way there was one

0:53:50of the things that I learned reading there too that amazing profile was how

0:53:53many famous friends johnnie I pass yeah exactly so in in the Telegraph which is

0:53:59a British news publication Stephen Dr wrote this article about how johnny has

0:54:06been promoted to chief design officer like you said Christina his couple of

0:54:10the tenants are going to manage the day-to-day stuff and among other things

0:54:13at some point or another they mentioned that this will allow him more time to

0:54:18travel so there's a few conflicting thoughts on this

0:54:23and Rene Ritchie actually had to tweet which I don't have in front of me but

0:54:26really really really well summarized what the what the different with

0:54:31different ideas are I think he said that the analysts were of the opinion that

0:54:36this was all to dodge having to reveal how much johnnie makes them over the

0:54:41other two things he said you guys remember right yeah yeah yeah it was

0:54:47like an analyst I but he makes up to miss this is like you know great is the

0:54:53motion over and then doesn't just he's quitting something like that yeah yeah

0:54:57something along those lines will find the will find the tween put in the

0:55:01senate after the fact but those are the three kind of extreme summaries

0:55:07extremely brief summaries but i dont Marco how did you feel that

0:55:10this was your first reaction when you when you read this news first of all a

0:55:15little intrigued about how they how they announced this and this and this article

0:55:20yes and how they buried it buried that they did this like the early afternoon

0:55:26on a Monday on a holiday so the market is closed but also hold the beat

0:55:31reporters are like half drunk because nobody's do we know about this from

0:55:37experience Christina yes I mean I was one of those who ever is like God like

0:55:43you know the Memorial Day duty they can begin hit this post I'm not know for

0:55:49this I was like if Apple's gonna bury this like this I'm certainly not going

0:55:52to stop my festivities to write this news posts

0:55:55yeah it was it was weird I think it was interesting we done it probably well

0:56:03done if i if i I think it was well done like it as well as it could have been

0:56:06done better than a press release I guess but you look at this period between the

0:56:12lines when when he had that big profile image last fall and the new yorker get

0:56:18but it was like temporary some like that that's fall so fine fall here in New

0:56:25York February so whenever that was a big profile with him to talk about the watch

0:56:29you really got the impression that he was severely burning out and severely

0:56:36overworked as he does way too much and it was it was kind of painful to read a

0:56:42time did you can you could see the writing on the wall you could see like

0:56:45this guy can't keep doing this this is unsustainable

0:56:48no no I mean just the fact that you know he's literally overseeing everything

0:56:52that design touches and having to be involved in all these meetings and the

0:56:55fact that he's involved just in the new campus

0:56:59delete everything you're writing for you I industrial design you know it's too

0:57:05much for a person no matter how young you are no matter how much you wanna do

0:57:09things like there's only so much you can do and then also still

0:57:13twin sons and wife and like you know you gotta be a person to especially if

0:57:17you've got as much money is joining us this is probably the only way that Apple

0:57:22could keep him working

0:57:23at all because it was either this or burnout and quitting yeah would be

0:57:27devastating to the company I mean you know whether he's not a big enough team

0:57:33that people could survive without more not just the fact that such a huge

0:57:36figurehead left to go potentially go someplace else will be absolute opposite

0:57:39exactly and that's like you know I'm sure this is this is probably a lot like

0:57:44the Steve situation where I'm sure he has built up a great team I'm sure there

0:57:49are people that could take over and that are taking over so I I'm not worried

0:57:55about Apple's future with either a reduced Jony ive capacity or if he

0:57:59actually does finally leave at some point I'm not worried about the future

0:58:03of apple pie I think it will be like like when Steve Jobs left and then

0:58:09passed away I think it will be different without Johnny but I think they'll get

0:58:15along fine

0:58:16yeah no it won't be the same there'll be new people there might be some shake-ups

0:58:20here and there but it'll be that they'll be ok you know I I hope we get him as

0:58:26long as we can because he seems really good at his job but when he when he has

0:58:31to leave the company at some point I'm not worried for the company's future no

0:58:36I'm not either but as long as they can you know as much time as they can hold

0:58:40out as possible i think is better for everyone and and for no other reason

0:58:44than for perception in because like you said I mean I think the company will be

0:58:48fine it'll be different but will be fine I think that they've gone through an app

0:58:51transitions now where they know how not to do you know what happened in 85 or 86

0:58:57you know they they know how to how to manage things but I asked you think you

0:59:03know certain degree I am just wondering how much we should read indirectly to

0:59:07what they're saying is going to be doing any hitting updated a managerial duties

0:59:10and that I should probably a good thing for someone in his position you let him

0:59:14have the kind of final say and be the creative like infusion of the company

0:59:19let him kind of bemused but let other people deal with

0:59:24the the data table because honestly at his position I don't know how much how

0:59:30much about that he should be responsible for husband Michael manager he believes

0:59:34to be and how much it just kind of come from his court vision of saying this is

0:59:38where we want to go these are our goals is to the line these are you know our

0:59:42values and if they're certain projects he wants to be really involved in then

0:59:46helped design that but trust the people that he's hired and that he's mentored

0:59:51to do their jobs

0:59:53yeah I think you're right you know that this does overall feel like he's going

0:59:58to he's going from a position of having a lot of work and way too much of it to

1:00:04a position of having less direct involvement you know for for somebody

1:00:08like Johnny I V know if anybody has ever worked with an artist before a creative

1:00:13artists like this it is very hard for creative artists to be managing people

1:00:20all day and and to be to be working in the same place for a very very long time

1:00:25that's a very hard thing for most creative people I've ever known to do

1:00:29and so if he's going to keep working there I think he needs both less of this

1:00:37unless the kind of work he doesn't care that much about like managing things and

1:00:41also like you know does he really need to be that involved in making the next

1:00:4715 inch MacBook Pro right you know like making the next iMac like this he care

1:00:52that much probably not like do you really need Jony ive genius to say make

1:00:58the next Airport Extreme dinner like you know there's there's a lot of things

1:01:05that Apple does that are probably not interesting to him anymore and that's

1:01:08fine he's been doing he's been there very long time making a bunch of silver

1:01:12thin things and you know that he can do other things you can do other things

1:01:16also one of those things where he can do maybe the big operations so maybe use

1:01:20really involved with the desire the MacBook MacBook one as you call it or

1:01:25maybe you know what they did with the 10

1:01:27I guess what is it that the 2013 Mac iMac whenever they made it then give the

1:01:32bump in at the hop in the back maybe he's involved in those are the decisions

1:01:36that he did not really get the minor before she's not as involved in so maybe

1:01:40he's in a setting the tone but not having to be involved in each particular

1:01:44thing I mean I think you're right it's like he's he's designed a lot of 10

1:01:47metal things or plastic no colored things for Apple over the years also I

1:01:53mean you know if they really are going to get into cars they're gonna get a

1:01:55daughter that's a completely different that's gonna shake overseeing and in a

1:02:01completely different capacity so I don't know he also might need the distance he

1:02:08might need to be based in the UK primarily and only occasionally

1:02:12traveling to California just to prevent him from involving himself into me

1:02:17things like this very much might be like a saving himself for himself kind of

1:02:20thing where it's like right now if you read these profiles of him he he is so

1:02:25intimately involved in every little detail of everything and that's always

1:02:30the challenge right when you do something this is how much whether you

1:02:35succeed or fail and I truly felt in this respect in my past I try to be better

1:02:38about the future but giving things up and trusting others to do their job it's

1:02:44really hard sometimes not to be able to let go and I think that the only way he

1:02:48can really like goes if he's not there so being you know in England being with

1:02:52his family I think probably works better for him although I still imagine that

1:02:56you know these guys are four years going to be getting phone calls mill tonight

1:03:00from him about you know some idea about a corner or something you know some sort

1:03:04of you know you know wages is that some sort of joint is bothering him I'm sure

1:03:10that's not going to go away but yeah I think you're right I think that it it

1:03:13does make sense the travel aspect that yeah you know probably does need to have

1:03:17a little bit of distance you know chauffeured car right away from the

1:03:22office that makes it easy to go into the office all the time you know I agree

1:03:28like he he need the distance to avoid more burnout and and to force him to

1:03:34delegate things like what is the internal layout of the table inside the

1:03:39new Mac with the go to the audio

1:03:40like stuff like that hehe I'm sure he's involved in all of that stuff

1:03:44external and internal stuff plus the county board in the retail stores and

1:03:48what kind of you know what the corner shape is on the icon like he's and not

1:03:52to mention that he also has recently had the entire software you I placed on him

1:03:57which he probably had been enforced all was was kicked out you know all the UI

1:04:04design felon johnnie as well was it was Allen died who ended up doing no it

1:04:10wasn't our that was held up by yes so you know a lot of that fell on him but

1:04:15that was still under johnnie and johnny was still like the one who had to make

1:04:19the final call on these a lot of these things I'm sure that's not a small job

1:04:23it's not only all the little details of all the hardware and chairs and

1:04:29everything but you know also the entire UI of all of their software like that's

1:04:36insane they honestly that should never have been placed in the same person and

1:04:41it wasn't before four stalls out there with good reason you know so I don't I

1:04:47don't know if the idea of putting all this on johnny was intended to be

1:04:51temporary until they could build someone else up into like the new forestall or

1:04:55whether actually I don't know the first I was in terms of the UIS I should

1:04:59probably stop assuming that I think he was in charge of iOS yeah regardless

1:05:03whether johnny was intended to keep that long term or not we don't know but that

1:05:10is so clearly so different from the hardware that it is good that the

1:05:16software design and hardware design teams are talking to each other and are

1:05:20involved and and are you know generally near each other they don't need to be

1:05:24the same guy exactly exactly I think they need to have a relationship and

1:05:28talk but I would actually arguably better but not the same person because I

1:05:31think they're very different just exactly and I think a lot of the UI

1:05:36missteps we've seen since iOS 7 are because this you know you I needs to be

1:05:41treated differently than hardware

1:05:43and and in some cases it wasn't basically I think this changes all for

1:05:47the better we will see in time but I think overall I'm I'm kind of happy kind

1:05:54of relieved to see that they're treating me because I really these profiles

1:05:57johnny's made it seem like he was just like seconds away from burning out and

1:06:01leaving this makes me wonder a couple of things first

1:06:07just as change how Apple perceives remote work I i suspect not and I know

1:06:13that they have establishments

1:06:15they had or have a large group in Vancouver I believe they had to have a

1:06:19large group in pittsburgh is that right

1:06:22Marco our team is there for a while there's also there's groups and

1:06:25performing group in Seattle now there's a big group in Austin doing the

1:06:30bookstore stuff like there's there they really have a lot of satellite groups do

1:06:34but usually it's like you know it's not like one team will be split across the

1:06:38country like it like bill deluxe I'll off certain things that can be easily

1:06:42siloed off like I work and have them the minister in a different spot stuff like

1:06:46that you know but it's it's not like but the main core OS 10 is being worked on

1:06:51by people all over the place or anything like that it's things that can be easily

1:06:55siloed are right in in this is me reaching a bit but you know I see all

1:07:00these news reports about how san Francisco's gun from

1:07:03gone from unaffordable to and that combined with johnnie moving in eight

1:07:09hours away

1:07:10granted johnny is a very unique and special snowflake and I do not mean that

1:07:13sarcastically so she gets a bye where other people wouldn't he can go anywhere

1:07:17he could be in Antarctica and they would make it where it right but nevertheless

1:07:21it makes me wonder you know is this going to pitch French really helped open

1:07:27the door to splitting an individual team across multiple geographic locales I

1:07:31don't know I don't know I know a number I knew a couple of people who work on

1:07:35teams where their remote and the bus there seems in Cupertino but most people

1:07:39I mean I think that Apple is one of those companies that would prefer people

1:07:41work together especially if you're in the same department

1:07:43I would agree with you more if they weren't spending as much as their

1:07:47spending on campus it's it's it's also important to note that you know when

1:07:51they're in Cupertino and as expensive as San Francisco is you can do OK and you

1:07:56will modestly if you're living you know deeper in the valley and not in terms of

1:08:01school property

1:08:02the other thing I wanted to go to ask and I i dont know if there is if there's

1:08:08really an answer that we're aware of since johnnie tends to be so private but

1:08:11do we know what his other interests are like I didn't know that he was really

1:08:15into timepieces until the Apple watch press push happened and went during I

1:08:21think was in the New Yorker piece from February that they said that johnny is

1:08:25actually really into cars specifically British cars yeah he's really into cars

1:08:28but do we know what else he's into in the reason i ask this question is you

1:08:32know I'm thinking to myself well what else is there for him to design at least

1:08:37sitting here now not as you know the the big dreamer I can't think of any

1:08:42consumer electronics except of course the TV that he might wanna designed so

1:08:48what's left I mean there's the car

1:08:50mean he's a big fan of music a lot of his friends are musicians you know Chris

1:08:53Martin bono those guys maybe maybe designs on guitar that i was just

1:08:59curious if there was anything that we know we knew that he was a hugely into

1:09:03running just for the sake of discussion and now he wants to go you know

1:09:06moonlight with Nike and designer running shoe or whatever

1:09:10shoot I mean that actually an interesting thing to look at to see some

1:09:14of the projects he's done with his friend Mike Newsome before so the things

1:09:19they've auctioned off and some of their special you know collaborations it's

1:09:22probably interesting thing to look at I don't know I mean that I would assume I

1:09:27know what I've read about them but is probably the same with at least my

1:09:30friends my new artist is that a lot of times they're interested what they want

1:09:34a designer things that are challenging you know so it's not so much their own

1:09:38personal interest as much as this what's interesting design problem to solve

1:09:41thoughts on johnnie do you think that his white world will turn into a gray

1:09:48rainy world when he moved to the UK

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1:14:01the essential news for the week and we're sort of running out of time so

1:14:05Christina what would you like to talk about today

1:14:08well we could talk about Taylor Swift she's always a favorite topic of mine

1:14:13but I think that the audience might explode I would love to hear Marco

1:14:17talking about Taylor Swift so you do you who don't even I'm not even I'm not

1:14:23entertain that a nice she is forbes' just named her like most powerful women

1:14:28in business and she is an InfoSec Taylor Swift I do too I'm in a group chat on

1:14:36Twitter with yeah we know who that is but we don't but we down but I was

1:14:43asking the Royal we do we know who that is and I'm assuming not we we we know

1:14:48who the person is but we don't have an identity although I think that it's out

1:14:53there I'm not really sure they're there lots of rumors it is not that that is is

1:14:59is not true but is it an alliance

1:15:02it is not is not down Lions who I think apparently this is a way his upset of

1:15:09Silicon Valley airs on Sunday which I guess that's interesting no marquai know

1:15:13you've seen basically no movies ever

1:15:16basically have you have you mentioned see Fight Club yes okay alright and

1:15:22Casey obviously you see movies you're clearly marginally more plugged in the

1:15:29Marco but yes I would say I am largely and I have seen Fight Club although to

1:15:36be honest I have not seen it in years

1:15:38ok well shame on you because the movies the shame on you first of all second of

1:15:43all today the first digital the first issue of the comic book which is going

1:15:48to service the sequel to fight club by club to the first issue came out there

1:15:53should be a sequel to fight club yeah they check up on check the author as

1:15:57writing is debuting as a graphic novel first you know comic book form of

1:16:00monthly issues and then it'll be put into a book that's crazy it's very crazy

1:16:05so I used it dark horses that

1:16:08I guess publisher whatever this doing it so I am I am I'm going to have to pick

1:16:12up an actual physical copy just because but I bought the digital copy today and

1:16:18and read it on the train ride home which was lovely but it's kinda cool tho to

1:16:22think about like I was thinking about how much tech has changed how much my

1:16:26life has changed my cell cycle with a movie theater when I was 16 and 99 on a

1:16:34date with the boy he was a man actually he was like that legal in Georgia yeah

1:16:44this is taking internet no in Georgia nobody enjoys a sixty years ago we were

1:16:48so it's creepy but legal and illegal he was my sister but it was now here's

1:16:56reviewers screwed up I told him I was a year older than I was he told me he was

1:17:00a year younger than he was lying but I go perfect on-again-off-again

1:17:05dramatically shift he then broke up with me

1:17:08the final time over voicemail while he would be to be her dollars because

1:17:11that's a lot of folks in the future with him though and when I think about like

1:17:18six-year-old me vs like thirty two-year-old me just how much has

1:17:21changed in the world but let the core message of the film still resonates it's

1:17:25really interesting so is there a way to discuss the premise of Fight Club to

1:17:32without spoiling Fight Club one yeah

1:17:37and if not we can just sound the spoiler horn and people can get over it I just

1:17:41$19.99

1:17:44honestly like likely grows but as the name of the club like I'm sorry like

1:17:49there's certain things like whatever well I think the simple threshold is if

1:17:54I've seen it it's safe to spoil its Lake both of us have seen in a point you have

1:18:01no you have no excuse this anymore

1:18:04also our audience I gotta think this is the sort of ideas that you've seen Fight

1:18:08Club against one of those boobies but I mean ideas based on the other is ten

1:18:11years after the events of Fight Club in like what happened in its like basically

1:18:14Tyler comes back Tyler being the narrator's kind of split personalities

1:18:19and anarchist and I just read the first issue has all the talent but it it's

1:18:24good it's it's cool it's interesting that happening this happening in comic

1:18:30book form and he's also writing the screenplay for low by a gas that

1:18:36operations before other books and writing the graphic novel really help

1:18:41them writing the screenplay adapting his own work so he came into office last

1:18:47week that's my way of writing about that and I i of course fangirl the fuck out

1:18:54like I was such a freakin finger like I couldn't even stand it and I was doing

1:18:58when you ask us at the fan question and he seemed almost relieved as everybody

1:19:01else was asking questions like Oh what do you think about this and and Morris

1:19:05essentially Gregory questions and I was like what is the deal with the invisible

1:19:09watchers bibi is it ever gonna happen he's like I don't know and we had a long

1:19:13talk about it and I was like this is amazing and then made things very

1:19:18awkward because I forgot my my paper books so I had him sign using a pen

1:19:24tapper had him sign a book cover on my iPad is very confusing process I have

1:19:29done that before beating Novak who is right on the office he wrote a book of

1:19:34short stories and when he came into office last year I had him sign my iPad

1:19:39copy that way and he thought it was awesome music is great for project not

1:19:44so much but I do have liked his finger you know

1:19:49digitally signed covers my books and then because I'm a super nerd you guys

1:19:53will be the only people who appreciate this is basically what I do is I take a

1:19:57screenshot of the cover on the Kindle and then used to paint program to get

1:20:02rid of some of the superfluous like page marks and then had used the paper you

1:20:08know sort of thing to sign save that as a PDF for P&G it then open up the

1:20:16basically the Amazon Kindle DRM said that it's like the pure like 80 W file

1:20:22or whatever and then switch out the cover image that is included in the file

1:20:28with the cover image that has the autograph on it then repackaged recent

1:20:32it to upload it to my Kindle Cloud account which then means that all my

1:20:37devices are safe and have the autographed copy as the front cover of

1:20:43the book that is a stunning amount of work with respect you could have brought

1:20:50a physical book a sharpie and it probably would have done the trick is to

1:20:54think first of all yes and if I remember my first edition of invisible monsters

1:20:59the world would be better and I would feel more comfortable but that didn't

1:21:02happen and I was about to buy another print book don't have room for my

1:21:05apartment because I do live in New York keep in mind my DVDs are taking up on

1:21:10myspace my children I am I getting rid of them but the books can burn but but

1:21:16the the DVDs or the discs DVDs and blu-rays are never dying where you could

1:21:21upload them use a paint program to remove their covers over your devices I

1:21:27know just called alexei the autographs things like any time I got there I can

1:21:31do library like I said I mean it was a pain in the ass but after I get a

1:21:35one-time deal I could scripted if I wanted to be an after dozens of US

1:21:42banking history could use doesn't see you said if I club to its happening

1:21:50monthly there yeah that's ok and you're getting it on which app on your iDevices

1:21:56dark dark respects that is not part of cum ecology their weather is cold out so

1:22:00you go

1:22:01Dark Horse digital and and then I'm also this is going to be one that i'm gonna

1:22:05have to find a comic book store that is still open when I leave the office which

1:22:09are words I never thought I would say as an adult

1:22:11married person show The Voice ass are just rolling in excitement right now the

1:22:18damn how that this is probably an elaborate trial on their part to get

1:22:23mark when I to talk about comics this taciturn I didn't expect I mean look is

1:22:28this early we could have very in-depth discussion about Taylor Swift but I

1:22:33don't want a few you guys make fun of her too much and I'm just here to do

1:22:37with that reality is I have absolutely nothing bad to say about her because I

1:22:42have no idea about anything she does like a big issues and not because like

1:22:46I'm like willfully avoiding her know I understand because I am that oblivious

1:22:50to what goes on in modern life she's amazing

1:22:53that's all you need to know she's incredible she is our generation's Joni

1:22:56Mitchell I'm not saying that she's as good as johnnie at all I'm saying she's

1:22:59basically our journey and and dammit that's fine man him I had this

1:23:03discussion at xoxo and then proceeded to drunkenly run around the panics offices

1:23:09and and and get get people to tell us how they pronounce and Jeff everyone

1:23:15said gift except for cable but I took as a partial victory but now I lost a lot

1:23:20of work but you're a Jefferson Jefferson

1:23:24that wraps up the show for this week i three spots around and back please and

1:23:30Christina since you aren't mentioned in the song where can people find you so

1:23:34you can find me on Twitter at film underscore girl or general hope you can

1:23:43find him a school where I your tech correspondent which basically just been

1:23:47to Paris groups and stuff and and occasionally write reviews and you can

1:23:52listen to me

1:23:53rocket pod cast that also airs live at this time with a fabulous up Rihanna who

1:23:59want to rush for as well as podcast called over tired that I do with the

1:24:04amazing and totally geeked tastic but troops truck and that podcast you guys

1:24:09the tagline is actually pretty billion from Objective C to the OC from swift

1:24:14Taylor Swift that there is their tagline on our show that that's pretty awesome

1:24:20and we should point out that in case it wasn't clear and in case you missed the

1:24:24beginning our dear friend John Siracusa is has been the guest on rocket for this

1:24:30week so we will put put links to that episode the show notes back everyone

1:24:36everything's going back going back to normal next week but you should

1:24:39definitely check out John rocket I am genuinely excited I can't wait to hear I

1:24:43don't even want to think about what how that's going to go and I'm sure it's

1:24:46going to be fun and John I just really I'm really looking forward to that like

1:24:50meeting of that culture class I'm super excited I kinda hope that he found a way

1:24:55to do follow up on your show

1:25:00thank you so much Christina

1:25:04now the show they didn't need to begin accidental

1:25:16case

1:25:20it was accidental and Marco

1:26:03here's the real question for you Marco how do you take your chili he shouldn't

1:26:12answer this is like an Ohio thing like there's a there's like Ohio Cincinnati

1:26:16style chili like other cells of Chile

1:26:18you what are the options what are available options for how you take a

1:26:22chilly well ok I should I should clarify first of all that I like turkey bacon

1:26:28not in my chili but just in general I like turkey bacon more than pig bacon

1:26:33yes weird I quit the show right and so this is why when I i shouldn't be asked

1:26:41about about food that people hold dear like they can no I'm not really I don't

1:26:46care about like that sort of thing and just aren't there like in Ohio was in

1:26:50there like in Ohio way it was Cincinnati we're having chili really get on top of

1:26:53spaghetti and like there's all sorts of weird stuff on it where it's like a

1:26:56different sort of me like here

1:26:58chili is like a ball well I think it's mostly Cincinnati and we're never

1:27:03actually bit nevermind write this includes christina's knowledge of the

1:27:07table include climate is much more about the ranch dressing which i think is I

1:27:12think that a travel further now but now if you go to Columbus whenever I go

1:27:17ahead is there still I would always be surprised and restaurants by like how

1:27:23first of all everything you got was tremendous led by New York standards by

1:27:28any standards

1:27:29any food you order any drink you ordered the drinks would come in like these

1:27:33forty ounce plastic cups like just regular drinks water anything would come

1:27:37of the biggest things possible and everything will be covered in ranch

1:27:41dressing if you order something that included dressing like I ordered a nice

1:27:48visit there before she moved out I ordered a leak Greek salad wrap

1:27:51something and the rap like it was like the Steve Jobs iPod dropping the fish

1:27:56tank story there was no air in the rap every gas filled with dressing like a

1:28:03big to it and the bottom fell out just like dressing just poured out so to

1:28:09answer your original question I have not had a lot of different kinds of chili

1:28:15the chili Ave had I like but I don't have a strong opinion on it and one of

1:28:20my favorite chili is actually next area so I like turkey bacon so I'm sorry I

1:28:26can't I can't get over that you prefer turkey bacon the pig bacon this this is

1:28:30a genuine travesty in my world not all turkey bacon I've had a lot of like most

1:28:35of the turkey bacon varieties I have tried to been awful but the Oscar Meyer

1:28:39one is is really good

1:28:41this is my world is upside down having Christina Michelle no big deal for a bit

1:28:46but Marco

1:28:47turkey bacon on except it's bizarre

1:28:50we're gonna be reborn as a feedback on that because they can even call it a

1:28:56bacon if its maturity and what the hell I see now you pissed off both of us I

1:29:04hope you're happy I think when I have to have some shells and cheese or something

1:29:08to get over this case it you know I have a recommendation for you and I i also

1:29:15I'm a big fan of I think its enemies and enemies canned chili it's like it's like

1:29:21I think even vegan the canned chili that it's definitely at aryan and I like it I

1:29:27don't like chili in a can

1:29:29it works great degree kind of food for cans it's great to have a Canon cabinet

1:29:33for when you know snowing at lunch order is great but I'm not a huge fan of

1:29:38eating canned meat that's just seems wrong to me I don't know I don't like to

1:29:42do that so that now in the mac and cheese discussion Casey I I think mike's

1:29:50description of it was accurate oh I would agree with that however I am I

1:29:55agree I agree that it does taste good for a certain for certain definition of

1:30:00good it is total plastic garbage right but it is good plastic garbage I can

1:30:06agree with that

1:30:06yeah I know it's fine yeah you know i i like it I have to admit my favor mac and

1:30:11cheese in the entire world is just the craft box I i've had the craft luvox

1:30:17very recently in the last couple of weeks maybe a month and to me I find it

1:30:22to be completely tasteless I find it to be completely bland and I've got to be

1:30:26the crazy one here because

1:30:28everyone seems to think that Kraft Mac and cheese or I think they caught Kraft

1:30:32Dinner in crazy places like Australia and Canada Canada to call a general

1:30:37instrument they might be it also adding to the definitely call it dinner and

1:30:42Canada and that there is even a reference to it in the if I had a

1:30:45million dollars on by Barenaked Ladies Night we could still have to eat Kraft

1:30:52Dinner but we still like I never realized that could cause so yes a lot

1:30:59of people are most people swear that Kraft Dinner is where it's at I find it

1:31:02to be completely completely bland really do you didn't grow up eating as a kid

1:31:06because the kid like that was what I grew up eating and loved it I still love

1:31:10it like it is my favorite Easy Mac is the Kraft Dinner sort of variant

1:31:13although you know it's using marxist let me be clear I will eat the cheese Kraft

1:31:18Dinner I'm just saying if I had a choice I would definitely take you to the

1:31:23shells and cheese yeah I would definitely do the Kraft Dinner over the

1:31:26shells and cheese although I'll do both I mean I have no problem but for me

1:31:30there's nothing better than like crap like blue box Kraft Macaroni and Cheese

1:31:34Delhomme eighteen of the box like it's amazing that shows taking such a turn I

1:31:39think it all started with me whenever I say this people like horrified and

1:31:45unlike you have the power of a six-year-old it's fine that stuff is

1:31:48good I mean it is good right

1:31:50like so we we now make macaroni and cheese for our three-year-old on a

1:31:54regular basis we get like the fancy organic and he's whatever whatever but

1:31:58it's basically the same thing and I always snack out of the pot after I've

1:32:05made it because it's really given fresh and oh yeah and TIFF and I both like we

1:32:11neither was really want to admit to each other how much we've eaten when when

1:32:15this happens but we don't you get him out of it because it's just really good

1:32:20and it's not it does not reheat well at all know even our toddler the key will

1:32:25barely ever Touch Reader macaroni and cheese and we always try the next day

1:32:28but it's like between the three of us we can easily finish off a box without

1:32:35differ I intending to have eaten much of it like that impede about half a box

1:32:39already impressive

1:32:41somebody was three and like 30 pounds or something that's pretty good but if you

1:32:47put hot dogs in it

1:32:49oh yeah as a kid I mean he doesn't yet but I have definitely not only have I

1:32:54have identified a lot as a kid but I have had that meal as an adult for

1:32:58dinner I'm not judging you on that one

1:33:01for Thanksgiving one year later it's nice I don't you think giving food to

1:33:05let my dad always makes mistake every year and I have like 20 different

1:33:09investigators because I like about you on the panama has tapped for dinner and

1:33:14when I was little my parents that I just grabbed it so they would like be

1:33:16satisfied with me eating bread and cranberry sauce and as I got older there

1:33:21like this is getting stupid will just make you a steak but one year I went to

1:33:25visit my then boyfriend and his family in Seattle and he made me mac and cheese

1:33:31with hot dogs kind of it and it was amazing that in mind and let the rest

1:33:34the family just kind of looked like a great girl you got there Eric you had

1:33:38mac and cheese and hotdogs and wine yeah that's also right that is pretty

1:33:43ridiculous things giving like the turkey like throwing up on turkey is kind of an

1:33:49amateur move with thanksgiving is usually everything else that you haven't

1:33:52they giving is better than the turkey even if you have a really good turkey

1:33:55just so happens that side of his face giving her amazing and most people don't

1:33:59have really good turkey so it's even worse it's not let me kind of Segway

1:34:04this into a slightly different topic out of curiosity Marco when you're going

1:34:09back to Columbus which I know you said you don't really do anymore but let's

1:34:12say hypothetically you're going tomorrow to Columbus what is the first food item

1:34:17that you're going to seek out do I have to eat anything on there

1:34:22yeah I'm saying like you're in Columbus your you want something that reminds you

1:34:26of home that reminds you like something that maybe you can't get new yorker that

1:34:30you just miss G goes straight to take a shaker whenever I think yes take a

1:34:34chicken is a good choice because it you can't really get that around here I've

1:34:38ever been so it's great getting a good thing to get the first came out that's

1:34:42it and shake the Frisco melt as in San Francisco yes it's like a sourdough

1:34:47bread and then

1:34:48like a party must read Jesus what do you not know Christina I know my fast food

1:34:55you know the important stuff tonight when we were in college in pennsylvania

1:35:00they don't they didn't at the time they didn't have any steak and chicken

1:35:03Pennsylvania I don't they do now and but they did have them all over Ohio and and

1:35:08we we were in pennsylvania only about 15 miles from the Ohio border so on a

1:35:13couple of occasions we did like a special night out where we would just

1:35:15drive to Ohio to take a check made out to Steak N Shake that so delightfully

1:35:20awful and I am one of those people that would have done the same thing if I were

1:35:24in your shoes look at this point in my life like living in New York late there

1:35:28is a Dennys now downtown which is great but I've seriously consider taking a

1:35:32number two like Jersey to go to Red Lobster or to go to stop I'm serious

1:35:41chain food and I thought this is a startup scene seafood well look the

1:35:46chubby biscuits are amazing

1:35:48are amazing and the thing is yes there is a red lobster intensive care but hey

1:35:53they automatically charge your ridiculous gratuity charge even if it's

1:35:57two of you because people in tourists are tip I get that whatever be the

1:36:01surpluses mediocre see it's even for boxers like whatever he proceeded if you

1:36:07were going back to atlanta you're obviously getting chick-fil-a what else

1:36:09are you going to get my love Arbys surgically is for Arby's Sonic sometimes

1:36:15cause like they have the tater tots I love Sonic Sonic at my gym the tater

1:36:20tots yeah I started by DA Lake think it is special this process is all that

1:36:24doesn't get funding for this idea is a people are going to be cold by the time

1:36:29the food gets there what if you had a service like basically aimed at the big

1:36:33cities are you don't have to love the chain restaurants business thing he knew

1:36:35her primary or sole market where you have two people who get together and

1:36:40like gettin over like a group over and go to the suburbs and get a trooper

1:36:46basically get a grouper and go to a fast food place eat and then come back and

1:36:51let you spread the cost of the right everyone I would so rock that I would

1:36:55definitely do it like I mean you know you have a car mercosur for you your

1:36:59life but I can just go someplace like those of us who don't have

1:37:01ours and who live in the city or in in Brooklyn who sometimes white you know

1:37:05the finer things in life like going to New Jersey on your own for a passport

1:37:10expedition is silly and yes one time I did take the Staten Island Ferry to get

1:37:15Dairy Queen I am embarrassed and now there's one in Union Square so that I

1:37:23never have to do it again but like if I didn't have to do those things I could

1:37:26just go to Lake the suburbs like with a group of people and eat my RB's or

1:37:31there's a Denny's in invite I so I don't have to do that but you know bogota like

1:37:36my my chain restaurants like I would love to see if I'm going so for me home

1:37:41is New Yorker the New York area maybe not new york city specifically but yeah

1:37:46I went to high school in Western Canada get my parents are from member in

1:37:49newburgh which is upstate no matter how you slice it to you guys but if I'm

1:37:54going back to the New York area

1:37:55first thing I'm doing is getting some pizza and the second thing I'm doing is

1:37:58getting some bagels and I miss both of those dearly I'm a particular fan of

1:38:03John's of Bleecker Street that's my personal favorite I love John's I

1:38:07actually recently by way of browbeating Matt panzeri know for like three years

1:38:12about it I convinced him to go to John's of Bleecker and as far as I know that

1:38:15was a positive experience for him if you're ever going to New York definitely

1:38:20go to John's of Bleecker it in my personal opinion as a non New York

1:38:24resident it is unbelievably great pizza and obviously bagels anywhere near the

1:38:29city are just fantastic so that that's what I miss when I go back to the

1:38:32northeast we have some reasonable substitute a you will send some

1:38:35reasonable subsidy pizza enough that it keeps me from going insane but it is by

1:38:40no means an equivalent to what's in New York one of the terrible things we need

1:38:45to discuss while John isn't here

1:38:48windows he really hates yeah coding explorers recommending we talk about

1:38:53filesystems hard pass on that thanks I was gonna talk about like the diversion

1:39:00ZFS us again cuz I mean I really don't think that's been done to death enough I

1:39:05was thinking I mean you know anybody who says otherwise I think each of us plus

1:39:09its fine what do you guys think it's good for me I think it's fine I mean I

1:39:12think

1:39:13data redundancy isn't that important I mean you know everything and everyone

1:39:19who really cares and I guess that is at the ATP final word on that topic but

1:39:27it's all over we never have to do it again he's going to kill us he totally

1:39:33kill I'm sorry John I'm sorry couldn't resist I am a fan of the show goodman's