The Accidental Tech Podcast

119: Promoretired

 

  I know this is pre follow up and that's kind of against the rules to put [TS]

  anything before follow up in the show deliberately but John isn't here right [TS]

  now and so I can get away with it because I say I can I wanted to tell you [TS]

  guys that I have amended and changed my water routine for when I record the [TS]

  reason I've done that is because I have now killed errands laptop twice for this [TS]

  is the mighty Mugg I believe it's called and what's amazing about it is if I push [TS]

  on it it doesn't fall over yet if I just pick it up it works no problem getting [TS]

  my clothes are seeking get a so I can hear the water not spilling on the [TS]

  laptop yeah exactly so here we go I'm pushing nothing's happening how amazing [TS]

  is that and then if I just pick it up [TS]

  no problem so yeah so I just want to let you know that my water situation is now [TS]

  better because of underscore David Smith so I appreciate that makes everything [TS]

  better he really does and you know what else makes everything better [TS]

  doing a crossover with rocket and so the voice that you hear that is not John [TS]

  Siracusa is a friend of the show Christina Warren so Christina welcome [TS]

  and glad to be here I'm glad to be here I i feel like im not sure if you guys [TS]

  got the good end of the bargain or the bad and because John is on series is on [TS]

  a circus it is unlocked it right now the podcast I do with Breanna lou and Simone [TS]

  Desrochers and I'm here and I'm super excited but does are we and yeah some [TS]

  audience members are not a party scenes and Patriots come through which is [TS]

  optimal send them on forward like seriously still slip dude hey Don it's [TS]

  already happening it's already happening which is which honestly is awesome and [TS]

  here's the thing I mean like obviously I don't deal with as much as a lot of [TS]

  women on Twitter I'm very fortunate that I have a very thick skin because I am at [TS]

  the media business for a long time so obviously you can hate [TS]

  I hope the listeners don't hate me who they like me but if they dont thats ok [TS]

  and it's not gonna hurt my feelings [TS]

  yeah so we're we're just doing a little something special were like I said [TS]

  sending John Overton rocket we have Christina here which is excellent and by [TS]

  the way [TS]

  rocket is really good like I feel I i keep at it I think I keep not saying [TS]

  this in public cuz I I keep thinking I've already said it and I i dont wanna [TS]

  like say it like a tax on when we're talking about women in texarkana kind of [TS]

  seems like kind of patronizing but I really it is not only is it very good [TS]

  not only have I heard every episode but has quickly joined one of my top three [TS]

  priorities slots and overcast that when it comes out as I listened to it usually [TS]

  same day if not the next day because it is one of my favorites [TS]

  thank you I'm super super psyched to see it here that we've really enjoyed it you [TS]

  know it's been a fun process and I i dont know about about Bri but I know [TS]

  that I totally went into it was like yeah we totally want to do an ATP but [TS]

  with kind of female voices so thanks you guys for having created accidentally [TS]

  such a great show that we could get coffee and profit from [TS]

  agree with Marco said in unless this turn into a two-hour accidental me to [TS]

  admiration society but let's just let's start with some follow-up as per usual [TS]

  so I mean we are allowed to do follow up with a job to do whatever he's not here [TS]

  to yell at us like really like 30 seconds I mean I can't complain if [TS]

  that's what you guys need somebody to complain about stuff like I can do that [TS]

  I I'd be curious to hear that first of all how many windows you have open right [TS]

  now [TS]

  123456 so only six that's ok you're definitely not a John replacement now [TS]

  that's just not at all right so some quick follow-up a number one the show [TS]

  bodies apparently not working for the first time in months and I'm not going [TS]

  to try to diagnose it right now so that I now is already taking a turn we didn't [TS]

  expect this might relate to the fact that her ok was very recently changed [TS]

  their pricing and I'm not sure I'm not sure if the show bodies now run afoul of [TS]

  that and I [TS]

  I am NOT going to diagnose while I'm on the air is like one of those exciting [TS]

  new opportunities that really just makes everything worse and more expensive [TS]

  simple answer yes long answer me be begin with we're happy to announce we're [TS]

  incredibly excited to tell you about how we made our service worth more expensive [TS]

  exact sales forces happy to say that we finally figured out a way to profit off [TS]

  of all these what they call the Raptors what are they [TS]

  dinos dinos thank you to me this it's all I get these are all voodoo made up [TS]

  terms by Hercules so that that's exactly exactly so CSL iPod show by really [TS]

  quickly I alluded to Aaron's laptop earlier errands laptop is on its way to [TS]

  the depot whatever the depot is I brought it to the Apple store on Monday [TS]

  on Memorial Day fessed up in said water was spilled on it and this was about [TS]

  halfway through the conversation to genius and the moment I said water was [TS]

  spilled on it the conversation effectively ended and and he said ok [TS]

  that means it's a tier for repair which apparently obviously there's multiple [TS]

  tiers for sending it to the depot that's a tier for repair which will be six [TS]

  hundred and sixty-five dollars for parts no matter how much or little needs to be [TS]

  repaired plus $100 for labor plus tax so I mean for 754 755 I think it is I'm [TS]

  sorry sometimes $55.00 plus tax I'll get it back in about a week for MacBook Air [TS]

  correct that's right this is for a eight month old MacBook Air that I got errand [TS]

  for her for her birthday last year because I'm the best husband ever [TS]

  totally isn't it a shame that like Apple Care Plus on the phone and the watch and [TS]

  the iPad will cover water damage but they don't offer Apple Care Plus were [TS]

  built laptops because I would totally be amazing I would pay the ex another $50 I [TS]

  could get water damage covered a MacBook yet while on the other hand how much how [TS]

  much are they charging that is like a regular AppleCare on on that is 250 and [TS]

  350 for the 15th but doesn't stay mean if you added another $50 on my I [TS]

  personally would probably put me up for it but it would be like you know that we [TS]

  have [TS]

  because what is it worth the watch it's it's a hundred with the phone even 200 [TS]

  bucks for regular but the phone at the hundreds of the regular and then it is [TS]

  75 for a replacement that you need to have a replacement you can have two of [TS]

  those for the iPad at a hundred and yet also a hundred but it is $50 per [TS]

  replacement apparently I'm assuming just based on this they must replace the [TS]

  whole lot more iPhones than they do I've had and that's why they charge you hire [TS]

  replacement ven in fact that the replacement P went up this year like it [TS]

  was $50 now I seventy-five but you know if you're like me and you're walking up [TS]

  some steps after a meeting with people and you literally fall for it and lick [TS]

  each other on your flip-flops and shatter your phone screen right before [TS]

  xoxo which coincidentally is the day before that iPhone 6 pre-orders go on [TS]

  sale like an annular like ok well I gotta go to the Apple store and get a [TS]

  new one came through I mean and people ago you could have just waited [TS]

  pre-ordered the Sixers like first of all I couldn't actually swiping the screen [TS]

  like I would declassify fingers second of all the phone has to go to my husband [TS]

  because he is my techie me downs [TS]

  probably cause problems if you gave him a shattered untouchable completely [TS]

  forgot he did that with the iPhone 444 s [TS]

  was ok that one wasn't that bad but it's a little bit chipped and I never before [TS]

  they had I think the AppleCare that covered the the damage that civil damage [TS]

  or whatever and so it worked fine and he ended up doing something to it and then [TS]

  I think he wanted to give it to a homeless person only New York you guys [TS]

  ok to go from there [TS]

  my goodness silly sooo errands laptop is at the depot getting repaired I'm [TS]

  already getting suggestions in the chatroom about what I could or should [TS]

  have done with respect to those of you making those suggestions [TS]

  don't care to read on the ship has sailed it is what it is I'm curious [TS]

  though because when you're talking almost a hundred bucks to repair it [TS]

  that's fairly close to the price of replacing it right exactly so I'm [TS]

  curious why you chose to go that route I mean is it just like three or four [TS]

  hundred bucks you guys thought was enough [TS]

  the $300 just didn't seem worth it to me since the machine was so darn close to [TS]

  new and Aaron doesn't have particularly robust needs of her computer if if [TS]

  anything I'm the one who has bigger needs insofar as it needs to be able to [TS]

  withstand spills and you you know podcasting whatnot so it just didn't [TS]

  seem worth it to me to spend another three or four dollars to get something [TS]

  brand new and this tier for repairs basically gonna go through the entire [TS]

  computer and replace darn near all of it so I I didn't see the point doing [TS]

  anything different people are saying oh well you could have sold it for parts [TS]

  and got a new one yes I'm sure I could have I could have gazelle did perhaps [TS]

  yes I'm sure I could have it just seemed like they probably testify that they do [TS]

  it because I will give you a discount edge another money if they find the best [TS]

  amateur submissive useful because I'll say it has water damage they would say [TS]

  okay well we value the set $300 in which case though you still want him up [TS]

  same amount of money anyway buy a new one that they do have a new yeah but [TS]

  he's basically gonna get a new one anyway [TS]

  exactly well there are a couple things that he looks so there's no you don't [TS]

  have Broadwell right about that thats I was going to say you are actually [TS]

  corrected the new the new one would have brought whereas you know that the 2014 [TS]

  just had to have goals and the new one but also have a warranty that started [TS]

  today [TS]

  day that's true you could have a quarterback this differently no no [TS]

  argument but it's just I just wanted it done in fixed and this was the most [TS]

  reasonable way in which I felt I could do that without spending $300 that seem [TS]

  to me to be unnecessary it is not it is certainly I would have gotten or Aaron [TS]

  would have gotten things for that $300 but it's it wasn't a big enough [TS]

  difference to really justified in my personal estimation you as in the [TS]

  collective you may not agree and that's ok and we're gonna hear about it and [TS]

  we're going to hear about it you know the thing too is that since I think that [TS]

  they'll be able to just like move all the data over whatever I mean that you [TS]

  know I mean I'm sure you have an entire time machine backup strategy and all [TS]

  that stuff done you know we all had personalities I think we all have the [TS]

  same model the eighteen thirteen plot but you know you have a whole set of [TS]

  going that way but even just the process of having to reset everything up again I [TS]

  think it'll come back with its hard drive everything intact mean that is [TS]

  probably worth not getting the new machine and having to set it all up [TS]

  again exactly it's just not worth it to me so that's the way it is and keep [TS]

  getting sick of this follow-up let's move on we got a lot of follow up about [TS]

  running with your iPhone and quite honestly I don't care because nobody [TS]

  really have any answers so let me let me since John isn't here just say nobody [TS]

  really knows what the hell is going on and that's basically the right to skip [TS]

  right over this I actually just about fifteen minutes ago [TS]

  rep for the show I was for the first time running briefly turning briefly and [TS]

  then walking a lot between them with my watch with no phone because I had to [TS]

  fill my green circle for the day [TS]

  great and it's been raining all day as you know being in New York yes broke it [TS]

  started raining later this afternoon be it's been gross lol yeah it's it's been [TS]

  pouring rain for my entire potential dog walking window that I usually take which [TS]

  is basically anytime after four so i knew i be recording the show until [TS]

  almost midnight in all likelihood so sorry if you did to prepare for [TS]

  told you I didn't know it's going to go on that long I mean I'm totally cool [TS]

  with that my husband used in his office [TS]

  like he might get a little hehehehe the play xbox and sonar which is this [TS]

  amazing torn team newsgroup [TS]

  no I don't think we're supposed to know about things like that no probably not [TS]

  just talk about things like this but it's amazing it's basically like unison [TS]

  kind of it's basically an app that it has a really good interface about that [TS]

  you can connect it to a private torrent tracker or to newsgroups which is how we [TS]

  have set up and basically find any TV show you want and it'll find him [TS]

  whatever quality you wanted to do and then it all [TS]

  target and label it entitle it exactly as you want and and pilot on your own [TS]

  hours or whatever the way you want it and then put just in Port Sudan and all [TS]

  the sudden you have every episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians story [TS]

  it's kind of sort of popcorn time but not necessarily about the streaming [TS]

  portion exactly because like it's actually locally downloading at its just [TS]

  making it super easy to do so for instance I am I wanted to watch Keeping [TS]

  Up with the Kardashians but also we have all these pure silicon valley and the [TS]

  thing is to pay for HBO and HBO Go actually have a subscription to HBO now [TS]

  which I know is superfluous but I got a six-month subscription for free so I've [TS]

  got that in addition to the issue we pay for which has all the on demand stuff [TS]

  but there's just something about how fast I don't know how is it beyond now [TS]

  in general it's good I mean it's identical to HBO Go so you don't have [TS]

  live content meaning like there's not like live linear programming but [TS]

  basically within an hour or two about airing on TV it's available in the App [TS]

  it looks really good on the AppleTV and that the iPhone and iPad apps are really [TS]

  good [TS]

  the web interface is good to HBO Go recently updated their routes to look [TS]

  the same so that's an improvement but no I mean it's good cause you have entire [TS]

  catalog not only currently airing shows but their whole like every HBO [TS]

  production so pleasant and her show because that was done by Sony but [TS]

  everything from autos which was the 1997 basically onward original series is on [TS]

  there so you know all the wires Sex in the City [TS]

  knows the date love you obviously Game of Thrones the girls I mean everything [TS]

  is there as well as a lot of the documentaries as well as whatever [TS]

  first-run movies that got through that month and in whatever catalog titles [TS]

  they happen to have and no me that comedy specials like I found at Old [TS]

  Colony special from from Kathy Griffin from like 1995 or 1996 that I probably [TS]

  hadn't seen since 1996 and Noemi it it's interesting just the amount of content [TS]

  the stair it's it's really nice and so it's everything you would get an HBO Go [TS]

  but without having have the cable subscription any other follow-up is we [TS]

  might have made record time through this and I'm pretty smug about that rain he's [TS]

  going to kill us this is great yeah he's got he's gonna get so mad listeners [TS]

  gonna get so mad in the same thing is that even though this is really my fault [TS]

  blame blame blame a girl but by a hashtag blame film girl no but it is [TS]

  interesting that and with you guys nobody really knows how to step things [TS]

  are updated what's interesting to me marker you're talking about how you had [TS]

  to get your green circle so I've been reviewing the pebble time did the new [TS]

  pebble Smart Watch and so I had to take off my hunch and the thing I've missed [TS]

  the most to be totally honest has been like my green circles that's surprising [TS]

  are using it with an iPhone or Android iPhone and how are you allowed to say [TS]

  like how is it or do you wanna save it for your show and I mean my my my review [TS]

  of life stepped up buying no I mean I like it it's it's an interesting product [TS]

  because you know I feel like they had a real head start for a long time but [TS]

  obviously the market has changed is that is nice as an apple watch obviously not [TS]

  even looking at it it looks like a sports watch having said that you know I [TS]

  spent almost $100 with tax and everything on my Apple watch because [TS]

  that's how much money on the stainless steel with the classic leather buckle I [TS]

  don't really feel comfortable running or working out with it and be completely [TS]

  honest I just doing that's just too much money for me to have my rest till I get [TS]

  scratched up maybe other people feel differently but for me [TS]

  it doesn't exactly feel like a great sports device for me where is the pebble [TS]

  is doing a box plastic and has an e-paper display and is waterproof and [TS]

  has a really good battery life and so that's the sort of thing life is going [TS]

  out running or working out or whatever I do like a if something happens to this [TS]

  no big deal and basically is take it was good about the people in the improved [TS]

  upon it the problem is that pursuing a dollars again gave up we have this thing [TS]

  national choice which is like a good housekeeping seal of approval or [TS]

  whatever and I gave it the mass will choice and that doesn't mean that I [TS]

  think it's better than the Apple watch because that's not what this means just [TS]

  means would you recommend this to someone and under the right [TS]

  circumstances I totally would mean a $2 watch the does a really good job doing [TS]

  what it does and it actually works fairly well I last although it works [TS]

  better than droid but the hard thing is when I say would you buy this over that [TS]

  would you say don't like the Apple wash even know what my Apple watch was almost [TS]

  four times the cost it's it's hard for me to kind of compare them because they [TS]

  they are different devices I feel like $350 watch forces two hundred and so get [TS]

  the edge the Apple watch and that's going to be a different experience and [TS]

  obviously have a different ecosystem but for the the current product if you're [TS]

  somebody who doesn't care about the looks and you're not as invested in [TS]

  Apple ecosystem I think it's certainly a ton better than a turd we're like light [TS]

  years ahead of interest where you get with our / your shiny and it does a lot [TS]

  of the same things that you can do now [TS]

  now will change once WWDC rolls around and come up next wave of absent things [TS]

  like that happen that could change the conversation and I certainly worried [TS]

  about the company's longevity and you know going forward but it's not about [TS]

  product and an especially first sports white which is why I back to my [TS]

  Kickstarter a I like to back a little guys be you know this is going to be [TS]

  something that I use when I ride my bike or I go running and i dont wanna you [TS]

  know this crash at the krome that the stainless steel you know Apple watch C [TS]

  that I think that's an interesting point to go into a little bit like it's a kind [TS]

  of a problem that Apple made the steel watch too nice to me like I decided [TS]

  because I [TS]

  I have the same one as you sip 4238 right yes yes I have the stainless steel [TS]

  42 with classic buckle and love it you have to you know because they're not [TS]

  shipping and that was way ahead I had to cancel my modern buckle order why didn't [TS]

  cancel it I ordered a second place the second order and then cancel my modern [TS]

  buckled her after I got my second order yet its modern buckle is scheduled to [TS]

  hold water bottle watches got to be here June 4th or 11th I don't have not heard [TS]

  of any times earlier than that [TS]

  know that I am I didn't even have indeed I just thought June and I had so much I [TS]

  had serious like that's how the audience about not having the Apple watch that I [TS]

  replaced it was like eight days after it started shipping and I placed the second [TS]

  order I placed the order on the Saturday and I got my watch on a Tuesday that's [TS]

  insane it was and I was like ok you know what [TS]

  worth it because those those eleven days about that Apple watch you guys you live [TS]

  on the internet I mean c'mon I do exactly is like for me of all ppl my my [TS]

  nickname at CMAC for christ sake lake for me not to have the latest Apple [TS]

  product I really did it was terrible so did for 311 that what they said yeah [TS]

  cool so yeah I'm sure she'll be one of the first people that I've seen you can [TS]

  even order it by itself or else available and I will get the modern [TS]

  buckle as soon as it shapes up early in the 250 and get the pink band but yeah [TS]

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  of art it's nice and light weight to the nice thin piece of glass and they print [TS]

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  through so it it looks like it's on the surface but it has nice glossy finish on [TS]

  it and it is I can't tell you how good these things look it's almost like [TS]

  having a screen on the wall that's just always looking perfect like it it looks [TS]

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  from a big one that it was like 30 bucks I mean there's there so affordable and [TS]

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  active coupon code I bought some full-price myself because they're [TS]

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  about fracture Prince the I would say compared to like a custom frame job as I [TS]

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  you know you can be done well but fracture prints are way more affordable [TS]

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  like a screen on the wall had I not seen and actually owned a handful fractures I [TS]

  would have thought you were crazy but no really it it really does look kinda like [TS]

  that it's it's really fantastic so definitely check it out [TS]

  big news today and I mean that non sarcastically [TS]

  well i think im the native Apple watch SDK which we all knew was coming [TS]

  eventually apparently is coming like seem like [TS]

  apparently wEDC time so I think Marco you're probably most well-equipped to [TS]

  kind of kick this off how does that make you feel what do you think about that [TS]

  doesn't change anything [TS]

  did you cry happy tears what's going on so I'm really happy about it first of [TS]

  all i mean whether or not I i want to use it immediately is a different story [TS]

  we'll see when it when it comes out but I'm extremely happy and pleasantly [TS]

  surprised I I was assuming its I've said this a number of times I've been [TS]

  assuming that it would come in November and that we would be able to run the [TS]

  absolute 3 with it maybe next spring with the launch of watch to order and so [TS]

  this is this is a good few months earlier than I was expecting and that's [TS]

  why I'm just happy I'm happy we did anything about it yet all we know is [TS]

  that today on i think is on stage right as G [TS]

  yes that's so was it was Jeff Williams right it but yes so Jeff Williams the [TS]

  current Apple CEO [TS]

  was giving an interview and he said that that they would be the native SDK at the [TS]

  BBC this year so being announced in 10 days to weeks whatever so really soon so [TS]

  this is i mean this is potentially really great with there are so many [TS]

  questions like I am writing a blog those I'm still drafting it like my giant list [TS]

  of questions about things about with the SDK you know just you know some of the [TS]

  simple things like how much storage space do taps have to use the fight that [TS]

  there's actually think about the reality of having native kodak's on the launch [TS]

  there really are quite a lot of questions come up as a result of that it [TS]

  like just simple things like okay you have the app on the watch you have the [TS]

  app on the phone how they communicate and share data an async what happens [TS]

  when the washes away from the phone that comes back to that then have to sink the [TS]

  data manually there there are so many little guys like that what kind of [TS]

  restrictions will there be on backgrounding as you know from the [TS]

  iPhone backgrounding and multiprocessing and background network fetches [TS]

  background to refresh all these things that we take for granted now on the [TS]

  iPhone I'm betting we get almost none of them to watch battery alone I think that [TS]

  would that would kind of put the kibosh on a lot of that what I think would be [TS]

  interested and will obviously have to wait another 10 days to see going back [TS]

  to the pedal a little bit more interesting things that they've done [TS]

  with their model and you know their code execution myla's is very very different [TS]

  and much more limited than it is in the iPhone but they have a thing where you [TS]

  can basically have your javascript apps like fully executed on the watch their [TS]

  step out that the four scares me the swarm out that live there and then there [TS]

  are some apps that actually talk to a companion app on your phone which is [TS]

  similar to what the Apple March does now so I think it'll be interesting to see [TS]

  if they because people has had to deal with some of the same constraint granted [TS]

  at a much lower scale and and with much higher memory constraints but I it'll be [TS]

  interesting to see how Apple's philosophy differs from what other [TS]

  people have done from weather problems have done and maybe what they've learned [TS]

  from those things that worked exactly because I mean this is a question to [TS]

  start asking like [TS]

  what will this be and you know we'll know well known two weeks at least 10 a [TS]

  lot of it but there's also there's going to be a i think a political policy angle [TS]

  here which is like you know every time Apple releases a new platform enables [TS]

  new major new functionality it gives them an opportunity to enforce and shape [TS]

  things to fit their political goals so for example like maybe watch absolutely [TS]

  required to be written in swift for no technical reason just just as a [TS]

  requirement to to promote swift adoption may be there may be certain things you [TS]

  know I guarantee you that certain things that are allowed today in iPhone apps [TS]

  won't be allowed and watch apps and we don't know what those things are yet but [TS]

  I'm sure that I'm sure there is a list right and so like it's going to be [TS]

  interesting it's going to be possibly a little bit bumpy as we get this going [TS]

  but I think it's gonna be really interesting and I'm just really curious [TS]

  to see any just basic stuff like the iPhone has like there's there's so much [TS]

  API available on the iPhone that there are so many libraries and functions and [TS]

  interface which I mean do we think even runs UIKit I'm guessing it has its own [TS]

  simplified thing you know all we know is what watch it gives us but watch it is [TS]

  really dislike I'm guessing watched it in little like separate sandbox it gives [TS]

  us to play and I'm guessing that has very little to do with the with the [TS]

  native API yeah one of the things I've been thinking about which i think is a [TS]

  kind of ridiculous idea but an interesting thought exercise if nothing [TS]

  else is what if Apple by way of a preview and you you can't touch this [TS]

  Marco with your political stuff earlier what if Apple by way of a preview [TS]

  basically says well you don't really need to go needed for this so we're [TS]

  going to reject this go back to the watch KPI's that you have today in you [TS]

  know so for things like overcast which this is probably a prime example but [TS]

  overcast may not absolutely media native API so you know what we're battery life [TS]

  is important to us Marco I'm sorry you're just got to stick to the remote [TS]

  whatever it is that that that you have today we're not going to allow you to [TS]

  use the native API's because we just don't think you're worthy I doubt they [TS]

  do that but it's certainly something that they could do if they so desired [TS]

  totally and I don't right now you know all I know all we know is that they said [TS]

  they're going to be a native SDK and and he mentioned the league games be [TS]

  possible in sensor access be possible that's great but my app requires [TS]

  continuous audio playback even when does not showing on screen on the iPhone that [TS]

  allowed will appeal out of the water we don't know I don't even know like we'll [TS]

  even have a V Foundation Inc or audio will will the watch expose API is that [TS]

  can play sound to the native it to the third party SDK and we have absolutely [TS]

  no idea so it's like there's so many big questions here [TS]

  rightly so many big questions and we won't know it really until until next [TS]

  week we have no idea [TS]

  yeah I'm really curious to see where this goes and I'm wondering how much [TS]

  they allow like so as an example let's suppose that there is no mechanism Marco [TS]

  that you can see wearing you could actually put podcast onto the watch and [TS]

  play them directly off the watch so you're limited to the same kind of [TS]

  situation you have today where the phone is the thing actually doing playback [TS]

  what do you think just sitting here now not really knowing anything do you do [TS]

  you suspect he would still reach for a native API SDK just on account of speed [TS]

  you or was it actually not that interesting to you if you can't get [TS]

  files onto the device it is certainly interesting either way because no matter [TS]

  what I'm sure a native app would be faster to launch more responsive I could [TS]

  like they're they're even there even a lot of like a little annoying [TS]

  limitations about what you can do in the UI with watch get that it would be nice [TS]

  to have more control over that and and to have more you know just more [TS]

  abilities of things you can do is watch it is very limited but if I can actually [TS]

  get the files over there and play them without a phone present which is what [TS]

  most people are asking for it is like you know that's but that's what they [TS]

  want is you can put music you know on the [TS]

  you can put her data on the watch obviously when they want to be able to [TS]

  listen to a podcast and use overcast so I can have my speed settings to go [TS]

  through it or whatever [TS]

  exactly i mean an end we know from the process of putting the music on to it [TS]

  that it kinda sucks like it's kind of slow and clunky and manual and so I'm [TS]

  right now I have no knowledge of whether or not it is whether or not an overcast [TS]

  native app on the watch will be possible [TS]

  like technically possible whether it will be allowed and whether it will suck [TS]

  or not I had no information on any of those things so I can't say right now [TS]

  whether gonna make a nap and then of course secondarily there there's a [TS]

  question of whether it's worth it because there's gonna be a lot of [TS]

  complexity but what I'm really curious about is just the realities of syncing [TS]

  data between the two apps between the the watch out on the phone app that you [TS]

  know what we'll see in reality what that entails but that's a big question mark [TS]

  know that's a really good point because that's going to be slow already over [TS]

  over Bluetooth and obviously like what what's your latency on that and how long [TS]

  you do you look for it for Tobias you know so that it can keep things in sync [TS]

  like how often does it does it all for that sort of thing yeah you're right but [TS]

  I think that do you think it's possible that maybe we could see kind of Outworld [TS]

  a pirated apps where you have parts of it they are the companion apps the [TS]

  glasses the sorts of things we have now but there are other parts that are [TS]

  needed to existing on the watch itself so that you can do things like load [TS]

  faster and and pull in maybe custom UI beds or or you know load and other sorts [TS]

  of coding execute natively on the watch while still maybe the data that is it's [TS]

  using this tool being pulled from the phone app itself as a good question I [TS]

  mean we don't know yet I mean there there's there's party a question which [TS]

  is like [TS]

  can can can part of your watch presence be watched it and can part of it being [TS]

  made it and I'm guessing the answer to that is no but you know just for [TS]

  simplicity sake and in the loaders and stuff [TS]

  but I don't know that I'm also curious though you know you mentioned glances [TS]

  like right now glances a very limited third party apps because we can't have [TS]

  any controls on the entire glance of taxes one giant button to launch the app [TS]

  I would greatly benefit from a glance that could have buttons on it right now [TS]

  my glances moderately useful but it would be a lot more useful if I could [TS]

  have liked to see can pause button on the way that the building now playing [TS]

  class does that would be extremely helpful to me in and right now i cant do [TS]

  that so that's worth noting I'm also curious about whether will have access [TS]

  to third-party complications that would so competition on the basis that would [TS]

  be extremely interesting and and very very compelling to me i i I might even [TS]

  try making different kinds of apps that aren't overcast but I don't really get [TS]

  there's not really much reason to have overcast in a complication except maybe [TS]

  to play controls with that seems I don't think that would be possible or good [TS]

  3842 I look ok but on the 38 millimeters screens don't don't don't even bother [TS]

  exactly so I'm not expecting that but you know if if we can have their pretty [TS]

  complications for other kinds of apps like I would love whether line my [TS]

  favorite whether I would love whether line to be able to be a complication and [TS]

  have a little icon on the bottom the bottom skinny slot on the utility face [TS]

  to face I would also end so if we have like their party complications for other [TS]

  kinds of apps that aren't overcast and then you have buttons and glances at [TS]

  things like overcast I i think that goes a very long way and I really really hope [TS]

  we get something like that and when I get an inversion one i don't i don't [TS]

  necessarily expect to but we'll see I really hope we do it at that could be [TS]

  HUGE that being said I i'm just still overall very excited about what the [TS]

  native st cable get us I don't know yet if overcast will be able to have a [TS]

  native app that that is possible and allowed it doesn't suck in inversion one [TS]

  of the SDK but I'm really glad that there's a chance you know I was thinking [TS]

  that what if you what if I just lived in overcast [TS]

  actually kinda true but overcast is my jam that's really the only thing I [TS]

  listened to on my computer on my phone and potentially on my watch I could see [TS]

  a complication for just remaining time in the in the podcasts currently plane [TS]

  that's actually a good idea yeah I think that would be useful if overcast a sort [TS]

  of thing that basically if I'm doing anything entertainment-related I'm using [TS]

  overcast so even something simple like that could be could be helpful in and I [TS]

  am one of many that wrote posts about how I think third-party complications [TS]

  would be a really awesome idea and I don't even know where it would go but [TS]

  just the thought of being able to support that sort of thing sounds really [TS]

  awesome to me I mean I I had some examples on this post which will put the [TS]

  show notes you know you could have something very simple from etrade [TS]

  showing you how well or poorly your portfolio is doing or may be just what [TS]

  you're next [TS]

  itinerary item is from trip it or I don't know what if you had to test Marco [TS]

  and wanted to know your battery status or whatever the case may be or what [TS]

  what's the next delivery arriving at your house which for most of us is an [TS]

  apple watching three months he also sports scores any one of these things [TS]

  could be a reasonably good complication and Mark wanna know if there's any [TS]

  terribly awesome ideas for overcast but I could see all sorts of really nifty [TS]

  things you could do with complications in I'm skeptical that will be part of [TS]

  the API for now but I do think that it would be really awesome if they existed [TS]

  thoughts on that yeah I mean I think I would love to see more complications I [TS]

  think that would be great especially if Apple can enforce their own UI [TS]

  guidelines I think that would be tremendous and really to meet I think [TS]

  that would be much better than allowing people to submit their faces because [TS]

  there's just gonna become the way that third-party keyboards have have tended [TS]

  to become like keep it clean but having publications would be really great but [TS]

  just on the fact that there is going to be this this preview of an SDK I'm just [TS]

  excited about that [TS]

  like you market mostly because it into user feel like this is the first time [TS]

  will you get a chance to see what people can do with this device because we've [TS]

  been kind of pampered a little bit [TS]

  by just being you know kind of you know the the companion app aspect that you're [TS]

  having to go through the phone and I'm really looking forward you even if it's [TS]

  not a ton of power even if it's not everything the fact that the developers [TS]

  will be able to build things and execute directly on the watch because I have [TS]

  said this before I mean I feel like it whether this one of the Apple watch [TS]

  ultimately end up being his successor failures gonna live and die based on [TS]

  what apps are out for it I think the app experience is gonna be key and we [TS]

  haven't at least I I enjoy some of the apps on the Apple washing I really like [TS]

  my whole watch that had other than maybe mapping Sep haven't had that kind of the [TS]

  killer app yet and I feel like this will be the thing that helped push that sort [TS]

  of thing forward oh definitely you know right now it feels like the watch is a [TS]

  really good watch with fun stuff on the face the complications that it has a [TS]

  really good nice watch I don't view it as an a platform for 44 much use because [TS]

  the apps aren't that great and I use very few of them as a result it's still [TS]

  a great product to me because I like the rest of what it does [TS]

  like I I love the just the time keeping us but I love the faces of the [TS]

  complication of having the weather on my watch the activity tracking having all [TS]

  these look easy access to timers and stuff like it is I love the features [TS]

  that already has with no absence daughter all but it sure would be nice [TS]

  to see does does the idea of getting faster better more capable apps does [TS]

  that affect things and it might not it might end up that dealing with a watch [TS]

  on your wrist is just cut is so like kind of clunky and limited it might end [TS]

  up that most people prefer to pull their fun of the pocket to do any kind of [TS]

  complex after action but we don't know that yet because right now absent the [TS]

  water we have had a fair chance was watching it is so limited in SLO yeah I [TS]

  agree the only thing that I kind of dread about the pending native app tabs [TS]

  on the watches you know that we're just gonna get swarmed with a bunch of crap [TS]

  games that nobody really wants to play and I'm not looking forward to that [TS]

  but everything else sounds really exciting and I'm really curious to see [TS]

  how it goes now Jeff Williams did say if I'm not mistaken explicitly that it's a [TS]

  preview [TS]

  that's coming next week after next [TS]

  when do you think guys and I'll start with Christina if you were to just you [TS]

  know have a gas one do you think the first native watch apps from third [TS]

  parties will be available in the store with a fall [TS]

  yeah i i think i agree i mean that it would follow the iOS beta timeline if [TS]

  they did that exactly and and whatever whatever the final exit code is out but [TS]

  I would think that the public can be part of Iowa steinem probably whatever [TS]

  the next you know watch OS update is 1.5 or whatever they call it will add [TS]

  support for native out but I think we'll preview it next week or the week after [TS]

  next and then they will have it rolled out in October ish but that's exactly [TS]

  what I was thinking maybe that was said the chat rooms saying maybe they said [TS]

  that so I missed it if so but I think that makes the most sense to me for sure [TS]

  any other thoughts on need to watch out before we move on I do worry about [TS]

  battery life long term like right now the watch battery life is great [TS]

  like you know what you think is 38 incidentally worse yeah I mean it's been [TS]

  good for me provided I don't have too many apps installed and about a third of [TS]

  the thing that I had to get used to it was like just install the ones I like in [TS]

  the values of overcast terrific and I have over and there are a couple of [TS]

  others that I have I don't have a talent glances it's all just the ones that I [TS]

  really use you know one password and a couple other things but no I've actually [TS]

  been really impressed with battery life but I this is I feel like it could go [TS]

  both ways like on the one hand it could meet the tax the battery more on the [TS]

  other hand it's possible that it might be more efficient potentially not I [TS]

  don't know if there's enough to pull and since the back and forth over Bluetooth [TS]

  all the time I don't know that's a good point I thought about that but yeah I [TS]

  guess it depends a lot on like weather apps will be able to do things like [TS]

  background refresh and I'm guessing the answer is no but [TS]

  that that will have a lot to do with them sure yeah I'm very curious to see [TS]

  what the limits are on that because you know back background processing on the [TS]

  iPhone if you're doing kind of traditional stop that still limited to [TS]

  10 minutes is that correct on the iPhone it even shorter than that now they they [TS]

  change it they they threatened to change it and I S seven they threatened to make [TS]

  it so that you would get you could get the whole time sizes but they wouldn't [TS]

  be contiguous that caused so many bugs during the data so it was either seven [TS]

  or eight because so many bugs with such a pain that they they give you back your [TS]

  contiguous block but now as of 10 minutes I think it's four minutes to its [TS]

  that time keeps going down so I I'm guessing like you on the watch for 10 [TS]

  minutes in the background just note it alright that's what I was driving a [TS]

  tease I wonder if the limit is 30 seconds or maybe even fifteen seconds [TS]

  whatever it may be [TS]

  I'm very curious to see what they do to kind of handcuffed developers and [TS]

  prevent them from doing stupid stuff really quickly before we talk about [TS]

  another thing that's awesome I wanted to ask you guys I am not really into [TS]

  glances like I think a lot of other people are in Christianity made mention [TS]

  of the second ago I'm looking at my watch right now and I have the I think [TS]

  it's a settings lansbury can do like airplane mode and all that I have the [TS]

  battery glands which I'm trying to convince myself to remove because I have [TS]

  not yet once hit power reserve but I don't know it's still kind of weirds me [TS]

  out that I don't know of any other way to easily look at the battery without [TS]

  adding a complication I wish it wasn't settings or something so I really really [TS]

  wanted to know I could figure it out without having to add the clamps but [TS]

  anyway I have trip it which I am only keeping on there for the next few weeks [TS]

  cuz I'm doing a bit of traveling like WC I have dark sky I have the heart rate in [TS]

  case I want to try to convince you that I'm exercising even when I'm not a hint [TS]

  I have you had the day well i get if i feel like i've run up and down stairs 15 [TS]

  times my hardest but I can't put over to the heart rate plans little better my [TS]

  heart rate or I can tell to measure my heart rate maybe I'll get a minute of [TS]

  credit [TS]

  and my final glance which was added earlier today was the wEDC I but that's [TS]

  it that's all I have so let me start again with Christina what do you have on [TS]

  their you kinda quickly ran them off but it blew right by me before I had a [TS]

  chance to add it up in my head what do you have on there in in are you looking [TS]

  to add or remove any yes I try to keep it as normal as possible you know I got [TS]

  rid of stock board of a bunch of them they just kind of wasn't really using so [TS]

  I have one for the subway from a three mile per hour on and that's actually [TS]

  pretty good watching up I have to say that generally nice job of that side [TS]

  sitting out the battery and the heart rage I have [TS]

  overcast I have trip it's but again it's mostly been traveling so I don't have it [TS]

  up all the time I have 10 I have often thought the story line my two factor [TS]

  authentication that anyone pastoral do that but obviously easier to just have [TS]

  to factor for ya gotta keep mine simple and then it's why I have the built-in [TS]

  settings now playing activity battery which had turned off but it somehow got [TS]

  turned back on I gotta look into that and overcast and that's it so the only [TS]

  third-party when I have is overcast interesting to me like the glasses are [TS]

  like OS 10 Mac Dashboard widgets totally you know they they they said they sit [TS]

  around they're not up in themselves until you go to them and in the end it [TS]

  there showing old data and you have to wait for it to spend an update itself [TS]

  it's kind of a crappy experience if you actually want to just plan something [TS]

  because it's not loaded yet so you have to go see the old stuff and weight and [TS]

  that that's not great so I don't really care to have more of those then the [TS]

  necessary I also think you know but when you're sleeping through it just like a [TS]

  side-by-side cards right thing [TS]

  interaction and so you can't have a very long list there without it being a [TS]

  little guilty to navigate through yeah I agree I feel like it was a teacher [TS]

  although I may have that wrong that had said that he had a bunch of glances like [TS]

  10 or 15 points or something like that and whoever it was maybe it wasn't [TS]

  federico I I thought to myself really [TS]

  because I have a fair number of third party apps on my watch although I don't [TS]

  use very many overcast being one that I use a lot as an example but I personally [TS]

  don't care for most glances and not to be corny but the only time I really [TS]

  wanna have a glance as if it's something that I want to just glanced at like trip [TS]

  it like what's coming next the wEDC like my battery life if I can ever convince [TS]

  myself to remove it but you know things like that where I'm just gonna look for [TS]

  a second and then move on and then I'm gonna use an app for something like [TS]

  overcast morning to be going in and out of it or maybe I wanna up for a while [TS]

  because I'm gonna be fiddling with it a lot in glances just don't really cut it [TS]

  for me and so I was curious and sounds like we're all kind of the same mind in [TS]

  this one [TS]

  well and also for for that kind of like quick cleansing and and quick launching [TS]

  complications are better in every way for those things he does so like I I [TS]

  love having the complications on the face that let me remove a glance and [TS]

  that let me not not ever have to go to the home screen which I hate to to find [TS]

  the app and and do something they're like I love having having the [TS]

  complications there and so I don't know I'm curious also just see it as as the [TS]

  watch software get updated by Apple do we get more watch faces you know how how [TS]

  often do you get a new watch face doing get new complications from Apple being [TS]

  added or do some of these Justin watch face the don't have complications which [TS]

  is a lot of them to those dean complications get updated yeah yeah you [TS]

  know there's there's so many questions do we get a burglary watch [TS]

  yeah i think im I'm just as excited you know because the watch for me is like [TS]

  you know half the value or more as the built-in stuff I'm also excited to see [TS]

  what software updates bring to the water from Apple [TS]

  curious to see how it goes but we should talk about something else that's awesome [TS]

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  alright so other big news last week on Monday Apple announced that johnnie I is [TS]

  promote promote retired [TS]

  noted what what do we think about that so the the quick recap is they've said [TS]

  that Apple Jony ive has been promoted to chief design officer is that correct [TS]

  yes yes a newly created position newly-created positions who is now in [TS]

  the c-suite and day-to-day managerial duties been passed off to to the [TS]

  tenant's right and this was all reported by the actors / humongous geek / all [TS]

  around awesome person Stephen Fry / Johnny eyes BFF who is mentioned I think [TS]

  thrice in the New Yorker profile maybe he was only mentioned twice I think that [TS]

  the Chris Martin Coldplay was mentioned it three times either way there was one [TS]

  of the things that I learned reading there too that amazing profile was how [TS]

  many famous friends johnnie I pass yeah exactly so in in the Telegraph which is [TS]

  a British news publication Stephen Dr wrote this article about how johnny has [TS]

  been promoted to chief design officer like you said Christina his couple of [TS]

  the tenants are going to manage the day-to-day stuff and among other things [TS]

  at some point or another they mentioned that this will allow him more time to [TS]

  travel so there's a few conflicting thoughts on this [TS]

  and Rene Ritchie actually had to tweet which I don't have in front of me but [TS]

  really really really well summarized what the what the different with [TS]

  different ideas are I think he said that the analysts were of the opinion that [TS]

  this was all to dodge having to reveal how much johnnie makes them over the [TS]

  other two things he said you guys remember right yeah yeah yeah it was [TS]

  like an analyst I but he makes up to miss this is like you know great is the [TS]

  motion over and then doesn't just he's quitting something like that yeah yeah [TS]

  something along those lines will find the will find the tween put in the [TS]

  senate after the fact but those are the three kind of extreme summaries [TS]

  extremely brief summaries but i dont Marco how did you feel that [TS]

  this was your first reaction when you when you read this news first of all a [TS]

  little intrigued about how they how they announced this and this and this article [TS]

  yes and how they buried it buried that they did this like the early afternoon [TS]

  on a Monday on a holiday so the market is closed but also hold the beat [TS]

  reporters are like half drunk because nobody's do we know about this from [TS]

  experience Christina yes I mean I was one of those who ever is like God like [TS]

  you know the Memorial Day duty they can begin hit this post I'm not know for [TS]

  this I was like if Apple's gonna bury this like this I'm certainly not going [TS]

  to stop my festivities to write this news posts [TS]

  yeah it was it was weird I think it was interesting we done it probably well [TS]

  done if i if i I think it was well done like it as well as it could have been [TS]

  done better than a press release I guess but you look at this period between the [TS]

  lines when when he had that big profile image last fall and the new yorker get [TS]

  but it was like temporary some like that that's fall so fine fall here in New [TS]

  York February so whenever that was a big profile with him to talk about the watch [TS]

  you really got the impression that he was severely burning out and severely [TS]

  overworked as he does way too much and it was it was kind of painful to read a [TS]

  time did you can you could see the writing on the wall you could see like [TS]

  this guy can't keep doing this this is unsustainable [TS]

  no no I mean just the fact that you know he's literally overseeing everything [TS]

  that design touches and having to be involved in all these meetings and the [TS]

  fact that he's involved just in the new campus [TS]

  delete everything you're writing for you I industrial design you know it's too [TS]

  much for a person no matter how young you are no matter how much you wanna do [TS]

  things like there's only so much you can do and then also still [TS]

  twin sons and wife and like you know you gotta be a person to especially if [TS]

  you've got as much money is joining us this is probably the only way that Apple [TS]

  could keep him working [TS]

  at all because it was either this or burnout and quitting yeah would be [TS]

  devastating to the company I mean you know whether he's not a big enough team [TS]

  that people could survive without more not just the fact that such a huge [TS]

  figurehead left to go potentially go someplace else will be absolute opposite [TS]

  exactly and that's like you know I'm sure this is this is probably a lot like [TS]

  the Steve situation where I'm sure he has built up a great team I'm sure there [TS]

  are people that could take over and that are taking over so I I'm not worried [TS]

  about Apple's future with either a reduced Jony ive capacity or if he [TS]

  actually does finally leave at some point I'm not worried about the future [TS]

  of apple pie I think it will be like like when Steve Jobs left and then [TS]

  passed away I think it will be different without Johnny but I think they'll get [TS]

  along fine [TS]

  yeah no it won't be the same there'll be new people there might be some shake-ups [TS]

  here and there but it'll be that they'll be ok you know I I hope we get him as [TS]

  long as we can because he seems really good at his job but when he when he has [TS]

  to leave the company at some point I'm not worried for the company's future no [TS]

  I'm not either but as long as they can you know as much time as they can hold [TS]

  out as possible i think is better for everyone and and for no other reason [TS]

  than for perception in because like you said I mean I think the company will be [TS]

  fine it'll be different but will be fine I think that they've gone through an app [TS]

  transitions now where they know how not to do you know what happened in 85 or 86 [TS]

  you know they they know how to how to manage things but I asked you think you [TS]

  know certain degree I am just wondering how much we should read indirectly to [TS]

  what they're saying is going to be doing any hitting updated a managerial duties [TS]

  and that I should probably a good thing for someone in his position you let him [TS]

  have the kind of final say and be the creative like infusion of the company [TS]

  let him kind of bemused but let other people deal with [TS]

  the the data table because honestly at his position I don't know how much how [TS]

  much about that he should be responsible for husband Michael manager he believes [TS]

  to be and how much it just kind of come from his court vision of saying this is [TS]

  where we want to go these are our goals is to the line these are you know our [TS]

  values and if they're certain projects he wants to be really involved in then [TS]

  helped design that but trust the people that he's hired and that he's mentored [TS]

  to do their jobs [TS]

  yeah I think you're right you know that this does overall feel like he's going [TS]

  to he's going from a position of having a lot of work and way too much of it to [TS]

  a position of having less direct involvement you know for for somebody [TS]

  like Johnny I V know if anybody has ever worked with an artist before a creative [TS]

  artists like this it is very hard for creative artists to be managing people [TS]

  all day and and to be to be working in the same place for a very very long time [TS]

  that's a very hard thing for most creative people I've ever known to do [TS]

  and so if he's going to keep working there I think he needs both less of this [TS]

  unless the kind of work he doesn't care that much about like managing things and [TS]

  also like you know does he really need to be that involved in making the next [TS]

  15 inch MacBook Pro right you know like making the next iMac like this he care [TS]

  that much probably not like do you really need Jony ive genius to say make [TS]

  the next Airport Extreme dinner like you know there's there's a lot of things [TS]

  that Apple does that are probably not interesting to him anymore and that's [TS]

  fine he's been doing he's been there very long time making a bunch of silver [TS]

  thin things and you know that he can do other things you can do other things [TS]

  also one of those things where he can do maybe the big operations so maybe use [TS]

  really involved with the desire the MacBook MacBook one as you call it or [TS]

  maybe you know what they did with the 10 [TS]

  I guess what is it that the 2013 Mac iMac whenever they made it then give the [TS]

  bump in at the hop in the back maybe he's involved in those are the decisions [TS]

  that he did not really get the minor before she's not as involved in so maybe [TS]

  he's in a setting the tone but not having to be involved in each particular [TS]

  thing I mean I think you're right it's like he's he's designed a lot of 10 [TS]

  metal things or plastic no colored things for Apple over the years also I [TS]

  mean you know if they really are going to get into cars they're gonna get a [TS]

  daughter that's a completely different that's gonna shake overseeing and in a [TS]

  completely different capacity so I don't know he also might need the distance he [TS]

  might need to be based in the UK primarily and only occasionally [TS]

  traveling to California just to prevent him from involving himself into me [TS]

  things like this very much might be like a saving himself for himself kind of [TS]

  thing where it's like right now if you read these profiles of him he he is so [TS]

  intimately involved in every little detail of everything and that's always [TS]

  the challenge right when you do something this is how much whether you [TS]

  succeed or fail and I truly felt in this respect in my past I try to be better [TS]

  about the future but giving things up and trusting others to do their job it's [TS]

  really hard sometimes not to be able to let go and I think that the only way he [TS]

  can really like goes if he's not there so being you know in England being with [TS]

  his family I think probably works better for him although I still imagine that [TS]

  you know these guys are four years going to be getting phone calls mill tonight [TS]

  from him about you know some idea about a corner or something you know some sort [TS]

  of you know you know wages is that some sort of joint is bothering him I'm sure [TS]

  that's not going to go away but yeah I think you're right I think that it it [TS]

  does make sense the travel aspect that yeah you know probably does need to have [TS]

  a little bit of distance you know chauffeured car right away from the [TS]

  office that makes it easy to go into the office all the time you know I agree [TS]

  like he he need the distance to avoid more burnout and and to force him to [TS]

  delegate things like what is the internal layout of the table inside the [TS]

  new Mac with the go to the audio [TS]

  like stuff like that hehe I'm sure he's involved in all of that stuff [TS]

  external and internal stuff plus the county board in the retail stores and [TS]

  what kind of you know what the corner shape is on the icon like he's and not [TS]

  to mention that he also has recently had the entire software you I placed on him [TS]

  which he probably had been enforced all was was kicked out you know all the UI [TS]

  design felon johnnie as well was it was Allen died who ended up doing no it [TS]

  wasn't our that was held up by yes so you know a lot of that fell on him but [TS]

  that was still under johnnie and johnny was still like the one who had to make [TS]

  the final call on these a lot of these things I'm sure that's not a small job [TS]

  it's not only all the little details of all the hardware and chairs and [TS]

  everything but you know also the entire UI of all of their software like that's [TS]

  insane they honestly that should never have been placed in the same person and [TS]

  it wasn't before four stalls out there with good reason you know so I don't I [TS]

  don't know if the idea of putting all this on johnny was intended to be [TS]

  temporary until they could build someone else up into like the new forestall or [TS]

  whether actually I don't know the first I was in terms of the UIS I should [TS]

  probably stop assuming that I think he was in charge of iOS yeah regardless [TS]

  whether johnny was intended to keep that long term or not we don't know but that [TS]

  is so clearly so different from the hardware that it is good that the [TS]

  software design and hardware design teams are talking to each other and are [TS]

  involved and and are you know generally near each other they don't need to be [TS]

  the same guy exactly exactly I think they need to have a relationship and [TS]

  talk but I would actually arguably better but not the same person because I [TS]

  think they're very different just exactly and I think a lot of the UI [TS]

  missteps we've seen since iOS 7 are because this you know you I needs to be [TS]

  treated differently than hardware [TS]

  and and in some cases it wasn't basically I think this changes all for [TS]

  the better we will see in time but I think overall I'm I'm kind of happy kind [TS]

  of relieved to see that they're treating me because I really these profiles [TS]

  johnny's made it seem like he was just like seconds away from burning out and [TS]

  leaving this makes me wonder a couple of things first [TS]

  just as change how Apple perceives remote work I i suspect not and I know [TS]

  that they have establishments [TS]

  they had or have a large group in Vancouver I believe they had to have a [TS]

  large group in pittsburgh is that right [TS]

  Marco our team is there for a while there's also there's groups and [TS]

  performing group in Seattle now there's a big group in Austin doing the [TS]

  bookstore stuff like there's there they really have a lot of satellite groups do [TS]

  but usually it's like you know it's not like one team will be split across the [TS]

  country like it like bill deluxe I'll off certain things that can be easily [TS]

  siloed off like I work and have them the minister in a different spot stuff like [TS]

  that you know but it's it's not like but the main core OS 10 is being worked on [TS]

  by people all over the place or anything like that it's things that can be easily [TS]

  siloed are right in in this is me reaching a bit but you know I see all [TS]

  these news reports about how san Francisco's gun from [TS]

  gone from unaffordable to and that combined with johnnie moving in eight [TS]

  hours away [TS]

  granted johnny is a very unique and special snowflake and I do not mean that [TS]

  sarcastically so she gets a bye where other people wouldn't he can go anywhere [TS]

  he could be in Antarctica and they would make it where it right but nevertheless [TS]

  it makes me wonder you know is this going to pitch French really helped open [TS]

  the door to splitting an individual team across multiple geographic locales I [TS]

  don't know I don't know I know a number I knew a couple of people who work on [TS]

  teams where their remote and the bus there seems in Cupertino but most people [TS]

  I mean I think that Apple is one of those companies that would prefer people [TS]

  work together especially if you're in the same department [TS]

  I would agree with you more if they weren't spending as much as their [TS]

  spending on campus it's it's it's also important to note that you know when [TS]

  they're in Cupertino and as expensive as San Francisco is you can do OK and you [TS]

  will modestly if you're living you know deeper in the valley and not in terms of [TS]

  school property [TS]

  the other thing I wanted to go to ask and I i dont know if there is if there's [TS]

  really an answer that we're aware of since johnnie tends to be so private but [TS]

  do we know what his other interests are like I didn't know that he was really [TS]

  into timepieces until the Apple watch press push happened and went during I [TS]

  think was in the New Yorker piece from February that they said that johnny is [TS]

  actually really into cars specifically British cars yeah he's really into cars [TS]

  but do we know what else he's into in the reason i ask this question is you [TS]

  know I'm thinking to myself well what else is there for him to design at least [TS]

  sitting here now not as you know the the big dreamer I can't think of any [TS]

  consumer electronics except of course the TV that he might wanna designed so [TS]

  what's left I mean there's the car [TS]

  mean he's a big fan of music a lot of his friends are musicians you know Chris [TS]

  Martin bono those guys maybe maybe designs on guitar that i was just [TS]

  curious if there was anything that we know we knew that he was a hugely into [TS]

  running just for the sake of discussion and now he wants to go you know [TS]

  moonlight with Nike and designer running shoe or whatever [TS]

  shoot I mean that actually an interesting thing to look at to see some [TS]

  of the projects he's done with his friend Mike Newsome before so the things [TS]

  they've auctioned off and some of their special you know collaborations it's [TS]

  probably interesting thing to look at I don't know I mean that I would assume I [TS]

  know what I've read about them but is probably the same with at least my [TS]

  friends my new artist is that a lot of times they're interested what they want [TS]

  a designer things that are challenging you know so it's not so much their own [TS]

  personal interest as much as this what's interesting design problem to solve [TS]

  thoughts on johnnie do you think that his white world will turn into a gray [TS]

  rainy world when he moved to the UK [TS]

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  the essential news for the week and we're sort of running out of time so [TS]

  Christina what would you like to talk about today [TS]

  well we could talk about Taylor Swift she's always a favorite topic of mine [TS]

  but I think that the audience might explode I would love to hear Marco [TS]

  talking about Taylor Swift so you do you who don't even I'm not even I'm not [TS]

  entertain that a nice she is forbes' just named her like most powerful women [TS]

  in business and she is an InfoSec Taylor Swift I do too I'm in a group chat on [TS]

  Twitter with yeah we know who that is but we don't but we down but I was [TS]

  asking the Royal we do we know who that is and I'm assuming not we we we know [TS]

  who the person is but we don't have an identity although I think that it's out [TS]

  there I'm not really sure they're there lots of rumors it is not that that is is [TS]

  is not true but is it an alliance [TS]

  it is not is not down Lions who I think apparently this is a way his upset of [TS]

  Silicon Valley airs on Sunday which I guess that's interesting no marquai know [TS]

  you've seen basically no movies ever [TS]

  basically have you have you mentioned see Fight Club yes okay alright and [TS]

  Casey obviously you see movies you're clearly marginally more plugged in the [TS]

  Marco but yes I would say I am largely and I have seen Fight Club although to [TS]

  be honest I have not seen it in years [TS]

  ok well shame on you because the movies the shame on you first of all second of [TS]

  all today the first digital the first issue of the comic book which is going [TS]

  to service the sequel to fight club by club to the first issue came out there [TS]

  should be a sequel to fight club yeah they check up on check the author as [TS]

  writing is debuting as a graphic novel first you know comic book form of [TS]

  monthly issues and then it'll be put into a book that's crazy it's very crazy [TS]

  so I used it dark horses that [TS]

  I guess publisher whatever this doing it so I am I am I'm going to have to pick [TS]

  up an actual physical copy just because but I bought the digital copy today and [TS]

  and read it on the train ride home which was lovely but it's kinda cool tho to [TS]

  think about like I was thinking about how much tech has changed how much my [TS]

  life has changed my cell cycle with a movie theater when I was 16 and 99 on a [TS]

  date with the boy he was a man actually he was like that legal in Georgia yeah [TS]

  this is taking internet no in Georgia nobody enjoys a sixty years ago we were [TS]

  so it's creepy but legal and illegal he was my sister but it was now here's [TS]

  reviewers screwed up I told him I was a year older than I was he told me he was [TS]

  a year younger than he was lying but I go perfect on-again-off-again [TS]

  dramatically shift he then broke up with me [TS]

  the final time over voicemail while he would be to be her dollars because [TS]

  that's a lot of folks in the future with him though and when I think about like [TS]

  six-year-old me vs like thirty two-year-old me just how much has [TS]

  changed in the world but let the core message of the film still resonates it's [TS]

  really interesting so is there a way to discuss the premise of Fight Club to [TS]

  without spoiling Fight Club one yeah [TS]

  and if not we can just sound the spoiler horn and people can get over it I just [TS]

  $19.99 [TS]

  honestly like likely grows but as the name of the club like I'm sorry like [TS]

  there's certain things like whatever well I think the simple threshold is if [TS]

  I've seen it it's safe to spoil its Lake both of us have seen in a point you have [TS]

  no you have no excuse this anymore [TS]

  also our audience I gotta think this is the sort of ideas that you've seen Fight [TS]

  Club against one of those boobies but I mean ideas based on the other is ten [TS]

  years after the events of Fight Club in like what happened in its like basically [TS]

  Tyler comes back Tyler being the narrator's kind of split personalities [TS]

  and anarchist and I just read the first issue has all the talent but it it's [TS]

  good it's it's cool it's interesting that happening this happening in comic [TS]

  book form and he's also writing the screenplay for low by a gas that [TS]

  operations before other books and writing the graphic novel really help [TS]

  them writing the screenplay adapting his own work so he came into office last [TS]

  week that's my way of writing about that and I i of course fangirl the fuck out [TS]

  like I was such a freakin finger like I couldn't even stand it and I was doing [TS]

  when you ask us at the fan question and he seemed almost relieved as everybody [TS]

  else was asking questions like Oh what do you think about this and and Morris [TS]

  essentially Gregory questions and I was like what is the deal with the invisible [TS]

  watchers bibi is it ever gonna happen he's like I don't know and we had a long [TS]

  talk about it and I was like this is amazing and then made things very [TS]

  awkward because I forgot my my paper books so I had him sign using a pen [TS]

  tapper had him sign a book cover on my iPad is very confusing process I have [TS]

  done that before beating Novak who is right on the office he wrote a book of [TS]

  short stories and when he came into office last year I had him sign my iPad [TS]

  copy that way and he thought it was awesome music is great for project not [TS]

  so much but I do have liked his finger you know [TS]

  digitally signed covers my books and then because I'm a super nerd you guys [TS]

  will be the only people who appreciate this is basically what I do is I take a [TS]

  screenshot of the cover on the Kindle and then used to paint program to get [TS]

  rid of some of the superfluous like page marks and then had used the paper you [TS]

  know sort of thing to sign save that as a PDF for P&G it then open up the [TS]

  basically the Amazon Kindle DRM said that it's like the pure like 80 W file [TS]

  or whatever and then switch out the cover image that is included in the file [TS]

  with the cover image that has the autograph on it then repackaged recent [TS]

  it to upload it to my Kindle Cloud account which then means that all my [TS]

  devices are safe and have the autographed copy as the front cover of [TS]

  the book that is a stunning amount of work with respect you could have brought [TS]

  a physical book a sharpie and it probably would have done the trick is to [TS]

  think first of all yes and if I remember my first edition of invisible monsters [TS]

  the world would be better and I would feel more comfortable but that didn't [TS]

  happen and I was about to buy another print book don't have room for my [TS]

  apartment because I do live in New York keep in mind my DVDs are taking up on [TS]

  myspace my children I am I getting rid of them but the books can burn but but [TS]

  the the DVDs or the discs DVDs and blu-rays are never dying where you could [TS]

  upload them use a paint program to remove their covers over your devices I [TS]

  know just called alexei the autographs things like any time I got there I can [TS]

  do library like I said I mean it was a pain in the ass but after I get a [TS]

  one-time deal I could scripted if I wanted to be an after dozens of US [TS]

  banking history could use doesn't see you said if I club to its happening [TS]

  monthly there yeah that's ok and you're getting it on which app on your iDevices [TS]

  dark dark respects that is not part of cum ecology their weather is cold out so [TS]

  you go [TS]

  Dark Horse digital and and then I'm also this is going to be one that i'm gonna [TS]

  have to find a comic book store that is still open when I leave the office which [TS]

  are words I never thought I would say as an adult [TS]

  married person show The Voice ass are just rolling in excitement right now the [TS]

  damn how that this is probably an elaborate trial on their part to get [TS]

  mark when I to talk about comics this taciturn I didn't expect I mean look is [TS]

  this early we could have very in-depth discussion about Taylor Swift but I [TS]

  don't want a few you guys make fun of her too much and I'm just here to do [TS]

  with that reality is I have absolutely nothing bad to say about her because I [TS]

  have no idea about anything she does like a big issues and not because like [TS]

  I'm like willfully avoiding her know I understand because I am that oblivious [TS]

  to what goes on in modern life she's amazing [TS]

  that's all you need to know she's incredible she is our generation's Joni [TS]

  Mitchell I'm not saying that she's as good as johnnie at all I'm saying she's [TS]

  basically our journey and and dammit that's fine man him I had this [TS]

  discussion at xoxo and then proceeded to drunkenly run around the panics offices [TS]

  and and and get get people to tell us how they pronounce and Jeff everyone [TS]

  said gift except for cable but I took as a partial victory but now I lost a lot [TS]

  of work but you're a Jefferson Jefferson [TS]

  that wraps up the show for this week i three spots around and back please and [TS]

  Christina since you aren't mentioned in the song where can people find you so [TS]

  you can find me on Twitter at film underscore girl or general hope you can [TS]

  find him a school where I your tech correspondent which basically just been [TS]

  to Paris groups and stuff and and occasionally write reviews and you can [TS]

  listen to me [TS]

  rocket pod cast that also airs live at this time with a fabulous up Rihanna who [TS]

  want to rush for as well as podcast called over tired that I do with the [TS]

  amazing and totally geeked tastic but troops truck and that podcast you guys [TS]

  the tagline is actually pretty billion from Objective C to the OC from swift [TS]

  Taylor Swift that there is their tagline on our show that that's pretty awesome [TS]

  and we should point out that in case it wasn't clear and in case you missed the [TS]

  beginning our dear friend John Siracusa is has been the guest on rocket for this [TS]

  week so we will put put links to that episode the show notes back everyone [TS]

  everything's going back going back to normal next week but you should [TS]

  definitely check out John rocket I am genuinely excited I can't wait to hear I [TS]

  don't even want to think about what how that's going to go and I'm sure it's [TS]

  going to be fun and John I just really I'm really looking forward to that like [TS]

  meeting of that culture class I'm super excited I kinda hope that he found a way [TS]

  to do follow up on your show [TS]

  thank you so much Christina [TS]

  now the show they didn't need to begin accidental [TS]

  case [TS]

  it was accidental and Marco [TS]

  here's the real question for you Marco how do you take your chili he shouldn't [TS]

  answer this is like an Ohio thing like there's a there's like Ohio Cincinnati [TS]

  style chili like other cells of Chile [TS]

  you what are the options what are available options for how you take a [TS]

  chilly well ok I should I should clarify first of all that I like turkey bacon [TS]

  not in my chili but just in general I like turkey bacon more than pig bacon [TS]

  yes weird I quit the show right and so this is why when I i shouldn't be asked [TS]

  about about food that people hold dear like they can no I'm not really I don't [TS]

  care about like that sort of thing and just aren't there like in Ohio was in [TS]

  there like in Ohio way it was Cincinnati we're having chili really get on top of [TS]

  spaghetti and like there's all sorts of weird stuff on it where it's like a [TS]

  different sort of me like here [TS]

  chili is like a ball well I think it's mostly Cincinnati and we're never [TS]

  actually bit nevermind write this includes christina's knowledge of the [TS]

  table include climate is much more about the ranch dressing which i think is I [TS]

  think that a travel further now but now if you go to Columbus whenever I go [TS]

  ahead is there still I would always be surprised and restaurants by like how [TS]

  first of all everything you got was tremendous led by New York standards by [TS]

  any standards [TS]

  any food you order any drink you ordered the drinks would come in like these [TS]

  forty ounce plastic cups like just regular drinks water anything would come [TS]

  of the biggest things possible and everything will be covered in ranch [TS]

  dressing if you order something that included dressing like I ordered a nice [TS]

  visit there before she moved out I ordered a leak Greek salad wrap [TS]

  something and the rap like it was like the Steve Jobs iPod dropping the fish [TS]

  tank story there was no air in the rap every gas filled with dressing like a [TS]

  big to it and the bottom fell out just like dressing just poured out so to [TS]

  answer your original question I have not had a lot of different kinds of chili [TS]

  the chili Ave had I like but I don't have a strong opinion on it and one of [TS]

  my favorite chili is actually next area so I like turkey bacon so I'm sorry I [TS]

  can't I can't get over that you prefer turkey bacon the pig bacon this this is [TS]

  a genuine travesty in my world not all turkey bacon I've had a lot of like most [TS]

  of the turkey bacon varieties I have tried to been awful but the Oscar Meyer [TS]

  one is is really good [TS]

  this is my world is upside down having Christina Michelle no big deal for a bit [TS]

  but Marco [TS]

  turkey bacon on except it's bizarre [TS]

  we're gonna be reborn as a feedback on that because they can even call it a [TS]

  bacon if its maturity and what the hell I see now you pissed off both of us I [TS]

  hope you're happy I think when I have to have some shells and cheese or something [TS]

  to get over this case it you know I have a recommendation for you and I i also [TS]

  I'm a big fan of I think its enemies and enemies canned chili it's like it's like [TS]

  I think even vegan the canned chili that it's definitely at aryan and I like it I [TS]

  don't like chili in a can [TS]

  it works great degree kind of food for cans it's great to have a Canon cabinet [TS]

  for when you know snowing at lunch order is great but I'm not a huge fan of [TS]

  eating canned meat that's just seems wrong to me I don't know I don't like to [TS]

  do that so that now in the mac and cheese discussion Casey I I think mike's [TS]

  description of it was accurate oh I would agree with that however I am I [TS]

  agree I agree that it does taste good for a certain for certain definition of [TS]

  good it is total plastic garbage right but it is good plastic garbage I can [TS]

  agree with that [TS]

  yeah I know it's fine yeah you know i i like it I have to admit my favor mac and [TS]

  cheese in the entire world is just the craft box I i've had the craft luvox [TS]

  very recently in the last couple of weeks maybe a month and to me I find it [TS]

  to be completely tasteless I find it to be completely bland and I've got to be [TS]

  the crazy one here because [TS]

  everyone seems to think that Kraft Mac and cheese or I think they caught Kraft [TS]

  Dinner in crazy places like Australia and Canada Canada to call a general [TS]

  instrument they might be it also adding to the definitely call it dinner and [TS]

  Canada and that there is even a reference to it in the if I had a [TS]

  million dollars on by Barenaked Ladies Night we could still have to eat Kraft [TS]

  Dinner but we still like I never realized that could cause so yes a lot [TS]

  of people are most people swear that Kraft Dinner is where it's at I find it [TS]

  to be completely completely bland really do you didn't grow up eating as a kid [TS]

  because the kid like that was what I grew up eating and loved it I still love [TS]

  it like it is my favorite Easy Mac is the Kraft Dinner sort of variant [TS]

  although you know it's using marxist let me be clear I will eat the cheese Kraft [TS]

  Dinner I'm just saying if I had a choice I would definitely take you to the [TS]

  shells and cheese yeah I would definitely do the Kraft Dinner over the [TS]

  shells and cheese although I'll do both I mean I have no problem but for me [TS]

  there's nothing better than like crap like blue box Kraft Macaroni and Cheese [TS]

  Delhomme eighteen of the box like it's amazing that shows taking such a turn I [TS]

  think it all started with me whenever I say this people like horrified and [TS]

  unlike you have the power of a six-year-old it's fine that stuff is [TS]

  good I mean it is good right [TS]

  like so we we now make macaroni and cheese for our three-year-old on a [TS]

  regular basis we get like the fancy organic and he's whatever whatever but [TS]

  it's basically the same thing and I always snack out of the pot after I've [TS]

  made it because it's really given fresh and oh yeah and TIFF and I both like we [TS]

  neither was really want to admit to each other how much we've eaten when when [TS]

  this happens but we don't you get him out of it because it's just really good [TS]

  and it's not it does not reheat well at all know even our toddler the key will [TS]

  barely ever Touch Reader macaroni and cheese and we always try the next day [TS]

  but it's like between the three of us we can easily finish off a box without [TS]

  differ I intending to have eaten much of it like that impede about half a box [TS]

  already impressive [TS]

  somebody was three and like 30 pounds or something that's pretty good but if you [TS]

  put hot dogs in it [TS]

  oh yeah as a kid I mean he doesn't yet but I have definitely not only have I [TS]

  have identified a lot as a kid but I have had that meal as an adult for [TS]

  dinner I'm not judging you on that one [TS]

  for Thanksgiving one year later it's nice I don't you think giving food to [TS]

  let my dad always makes mistake every year and I have like 20 different [TS]

  investigators because I like about you on the panama has tapped for dinner and [TS]

  when I was little my parents that I just grabbed it so they would like be [TS]

  satisfied with me eating bread and cranberry sauce and as I got older there [TS]

  like this is getting stupid will just make you a steak but one year I went to [TS]

  visit my then boyfriend and his family in Seattle and he made me mac and cheese [TS]

  with hot dogs kind of it and it was amazing that in mind and let the rest [TS]

  the family just kind of looked like a great girl you got there Eric you had [TS]

  mac and cheese and hotdogs and wine yeah that's also right that is pretty [TS]

  ridiculous things giving like the turkey like throwing up on turkey is kind of an [TS]

  amateur move with thanksgiving is usually everything else that you haven't [TS]

  they giving is better than the turkey even if you have a really good turkey [TS]

  just so happens that side of his face giving her amazing and most people don't [TS]

  have really good turkey so it's even worse it's not let me kind of Segway [TS]

  this into a slightly different topic out of curiosity Marco when you're going [TS]

  back to Columbus which I know you said you don't really do anymore but let's [TS]

  say hypothetically you're going tomorrow to Columbus what is the first food item [TS]

  that you're going to seek out do I have to eat anything on there [TS]

  yeah I'm saying like you're in Columbus your you want something that reminds you [TS]

  of home that reminds you like something that maybe you can't get new yorker that [TS]

  you just miss G goes straight to take a shaker whenever I think yes take a [TS]

  chicken is a good choice because it you can't really get that around here I've [TS]

  ever been so it's great getting a good thing to get the first came out that's [TS]

  it and shake the Frisco melt as in San Francisco yes it's like a sourdough [TS]

  bread and then [TS]

  like a party must read Jesus what do you not know Christina I know my fast food [TS]

  you know the important stuff tonight when we were in college in pennsylvania [TS]

  they don't they didn't at the time they didn't have any steak and chicken [TS]

  Pennsylvania I don't they do now and but they did have them all over Ohio and and [TS]

  we we were in pennsylvania only about 15 miles from the Ohio border so on a [TS]

  couple of occasions we did like a special night out where we would just [TS]

  drive to Ohio to take a check made out to Steak N Shake that so delightfully [TS]

  awful and I am one of those people that would have done the same thing if I were [TS]

  in your shoes look at this point in my life like living in New York late there [TS]

  is a Dennys now downtown which is great but I've seriously consider taking a [TS]

  number two like Jersey to go to Red Lobster or to go to stop I'm serious [TS]

  chain food and I thought this is a startup scene seafood well look the [TS]

  chubby biscuits are amazing [TS]

  are amazing and the thing is yes there is a red lobster intensive care but hey [TS]

  they automatically charge your ridiculous gratuity charge even if it's [TS]

  two of you because people in tourists are tip I get that whatever be the [TS]

  surpluses mediocre see it's even for boxers like whatever he proceeded if you [TS]

  were going back to atlanta you're obviously getting chick-fil-a what else [TS]

  are you going to get my love Arbys surgically is for Arby's Sonic sometimes [TS]

  cause like they have the tater tots I love Sonic Sonic at my gym the tater [TS]

  tots yeah I started by DA Lake think it is special this process is all that [TS]

  doesn't get funding for this idea is a people are going to be cold by the time [TS]

  the food gets there what if you had a service like basically aimed at the big [TS]

  cities are you don't have to love the chain restaurants business thing he knew [TS]

  her primary or sole market where you have two people who get together and [TS]

  like gettin over like a group over and go to the suburbs and get a trooper [TS]

  basically get a grouper and go to a fast food place eat and then come back and [TS]

  let you spread the cost of the right everyone I would so rock that I would [TS]

  definitely do it like I mean you know you have a car mercosur for you your [TS]

  life but I can just go someplace like those of us who don't have [TS]

  ours and who live in the city or in in Brooklyn who sometimes white you know [TS]

  the finer things in life like going to New Jersey on your own for a passport [TS]

  expedition is silly and yes one time I did take the Staten Island Ferry to get [TS]

  Dairy Queen I am embarrassed and now there's one in Union Square so that I [TS]

  never have to do it again but like if I didn't have to do those things I could [TS]

  just go to Lake the suburbs like with a group of people and eat my RB's or [TS]

  there's a Denny's in invite I so I don't have to do that but you know bogota like [TS]

  my my chain restaurants like I would love to see if I'm going so for me home [TS]

  is New Yorker the New York area maybe not new york city specifically but yeah [TS]

  I went to high school in Western Canada get my parents are from member in [TS]

  newburgh which is upstate no matter how you slice it to you guys but if I'm [TS]

  going back to the New York area [TS]

  first thing I'm doing is getting some pizza and the second thing I'm doing is [TS]

  getting some bagels and I miss both of those dearly I'm a particular fan of [TS]

  John's of Bleecker Street that's my personal favorite I love John's I [TS]

  actually recently by way of browbeating Matt panzeri know for like three years [TS]

  about it I convinced him to go to John's of Bleecker and as far as I know that [TS]

  was a positive experience for him if you're ever going to New York definitely [TS]

  go to John's of Bleecker it in my personal opinion as a non New York [TS]

  resident it is unbelievably great pizza and obviously bagels anywhere near the [TS]

  city are just fantastic so that that's what I miss when I go back to the [TS]

  northeast we have some reasonable substitute a you will send some [TS]

  reasonable subsidy pizza enough that it keeps me from going insane but it is by [TS]

  no means an equivalent to what's in New York one of the terrible things we need [TS]

  to discuss while John isn't here [TS]

  windows he really hates yeah coding explorers recommending we talk about [TS]

  filesystems hard pass on that thanks I was gonna talk about like the diversion [TS]

  ZFS us again cuz I mean I really don't think that's been done to death enough I [TS]

  was thinking I mean you know anybody who says otherwise I think each of us plus [TS]

  its fine what do you guys think it's good for me I think it's fine I mean I [TS]

  think [TS]

  data redundancy isn't that important I mean you know everything and everyone [TS]

  who really cares and I guess that is at the ATP final word on that topic but [TS]

  it's all over we never have to do it again he's going to kill us he totally [TS]

  kill I'm sorry John I'm sorry couldn't resist I am a fan of the show goodman's [TS]