The Accidental Tech Podcast

118: A Fistful of Apple Watches


  so I hear you here really like new iMacs these days huh so it's a follow-up [TS]

  strike is he just wanted to tell us about marathon running mail a show we [TS]

  talked about what what you might want out of the watch if you're using it to [TS]

  do not just a distracting in terms of how much am i moving kind of fitness but [TS]

  more serious how far by runaway by Ronnie mentioned GPS being superior like [TS]

  a dedicated as dedicated bigger would you ask things being speared you just [TS]

  watch because the watches and how many GBS and wrote in to say that his [TS]

  experience with the Apple watch as a run there are not great even when the phone [TS]

  is with them says the AP quality watches ability to track depends on how you hold [TS]

  your phone if you hold your phone in your hand or wear it on your arm as a [TS]

  very good job you are in your waist then under measures Iran by about 5% of [TS]

  course terrible fear a serious runner you wanna know exactly how far you r and [TS]

  so he goes on to say that he and his wife yesss that we really liked the [TS]

  ability to watch give us we can control our songs and podcast receiving send [TS]

  child care related messages of that fear dropping off on the cement and it is a [TS]

  grocery store on their route they could take that apple pays they can use their [TS]

  wives to pay for things there as a result you know they're they're annoyed [TS]

  by the watches inability to accurately track their runs because they don't like [TS]

  to wear their their phone on their arm or holding their hand but they do like [TS]

  all the other abilities so right now they're running with two arches the [TS]

  Apple Blossom one hand and the Garmin GPS thing on the other and says you [TS]

  can't wear them on the same risk because they literally press each other's [TS]

  buttons so this is not this would not be like featured in an ad for I guess for [TS]

  the Apple ID showing someone running with their Garmin GPS watch and the [TS]

  Apple watch but clearly this is the current reality for bill people were [TS]

  really serious about exactly tracking their runs but it's interesting that [TS]

  happened watch has tagged along for the ride for its other abilities and even [TS]

  like the minor ones like well I just bring your phone with you then you can [TS]

  text [TS]

  child care related things or whatever but you need to bring the watch what you [TS]

  want to bring the big phone and so you bring much just you can have a slightly [TS]

  smaller thing that you don't have to carry that you can text from and it [TS]

  seems like that is enough of a use case to get that watch to come on board for [TS]

  their own phone has to be with them in order to send and receive the messages [TS]

  but yeah I got to imagine that doing so from the watch for simple things a lot [TS]

  easier than getting your phone out of whatever holster like contraption [TS]

  then you can just put it somewhere where it's like a mini could be in a backpack [TS]

  or anything like it doesn't have to be accessible in the whole idea of worrying [TS]

  about dropping it while you're running you do because I don't know how good [TS]

  people could you get a phone out of your shorts pockets while you run out of a [TS]

  holster thing and I don't worry about looking down at you think maybe we'll do [TS]

  you think is most shorts pocket or so ridiculously shallow especially athletic [TS]

  shorts your phone will just naturally almost falling out of it all the time [TS]

  anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to get it out of your pocket interior [TS]

  exactly hopefully it's alright well it's funny to hear this feedback I am NOT a [TS]

  particularly serious runner in fact I haven't ran in a long time and I should [TS]

  probably be shamed for that however it's odd because the feedback i've seen [TS]

  through Twitter and in various websites what not everything i've seen has said [TS]

  that the watch was eerily accurate now again I can't really speak to this one [TS]

  way or the other but this is the first piece of feedback that I have come [TS]

  across that said that the watch wasn't if not very close [TS]

  eerily close so in all fairness Apple did just released a software update that [TS]

  was after this email came in that allegedly improves this and also gives [TS]

  instructions the first time you launch the workout app that you should you [TS]

  should do like a basic 20 minute walk with your iPhone present with the watch [TS]

  but the kind of calibrated with this complaint is about even when you have [TS]

  the phone with you he saying compared to his garment that the phone is [TS]

  is under measuring if the phone is on your waist if the phone is on your armor [TS]

  in your hand it's fine but if the phone is on your waist that under measuring by [TS]

  five percent maybe the software update helps us because it's this feedback was [TS]

  from before the software update I don't know what else to have this from [TS]

  Christopher and he gives one more reason the runners and cyclists won a cellular [TS]

  radio on their watch the system and get on the phone is in case they get injured [TS]

  and can't get back from wherever they are so if you run or bike long distances [TS]

  and halfway through your journey something happened that you can no [TS]

  longer run to you twist your ankle or something or your bike brakes are you [TS]

  get hit by car something you want to be able to contact someone to come get you [TS]

  or call 911 or whatever and you can't do that with your watch if you don't have [TS]

  your phone and I mean that's a really good reason but that sounds like you're [TS]

  gonna be doing something like that in a remote area just how he should probably [TS]

  bring your phone no I mean you know what what would it take for you to leave [TS]

  either your phone at home and in for people who want to leave their phone at [TS]

  home I can imagine people are doing athletic activities every little bit you [TS]

  know you have a strapped you're on your way so whatever it is it's kind of [TS]

  annoying that it adds up so what would it take her serious runners and cyclists [TS]

  leave their phone home it sounds like you know more accurate tracking of where [TS]

  you are so maybe GPS and at the very least some ability to do like a 911 call [TS]

  or something or that guy you know a single call home or something like that [TS]

  cell radio so we're not there yet but then several more generations this will [TS]

  be possible that's what we've been saying about Max or cellular radios that [TS]

  we haven't seen that quite yet it's totally possible right now we're there [TS]

  it is possible it hasn't happened but it's possible yes I think at this point [TS]

  it's pretty clear that Apple just does not think they need to put some radios [TS]

  and maximize the date they could have so long ago and there been so many [TS]

  opportunities to it's very clear that they just want you to use the phone [TS]

  tethering feature that I think you're somebody to do the automatic thing were [TS]

  detected in the bluetooth menu sometimes even when it did not detected you could [TS]

  still use it but that's their solution is tethering with just like we should be [TS]

  glad that they didn't decide the way you connect the iPhone iPad to a cell [TS]

  network as you type [TS]

  like why did that one happened to get the cell radio they could have just said [TS]

  you know what all cell radio communication if you buy a prize goes [TS]

  through your out by your iPhone I must be Apple's own see what you don't have [TS]

  made up your mind in the names but they didn't have the iPad apps already too [TS]

  but no max alright what's tell us about what's going on in India this from [TS]

  Akshay and it is about the size of the world's India's biggest online retailer [TS]

  planning two Go app only this goes back to our conversation about Facebook [TS]

  instant articles and Marcos doomsaying about the future of the web here is an [TS]

  online retailer saying that they're just not gonna have a website anymore I guess [TS]

  this place is called Flipkart and it's from these articles is going to move to [TS]

  an appt only format within a year under their VP says a year ago six percent of [TS]

  our traffic was coming from mobile and in less than 18 months that traffic is [TS]

  tenfold so that sixty [TS]

  madame had it seems premature maybe a six percent of your traffic is coming [TS]

  from haps to say by the end of the year ago hundred-percent app I don't know if [TS]

  they're going to tear down their website but maybe this is not just some random [TS]

  place doing this for publicity this is a store with more than 40 million [TS]

  registered users and 30,000 merchants selling twenty million products and is a [TS]

  big place this is a big star the fact that they're planning on even trying to [TS]

  go out only shows that how much things have changed I don't think Amazon's [TS]

  going up only anytime soon but I don't know about you as well I shop maybe I'm [TS]

  just an old fogey and when I shop online I the APIs sometimes good if I know [TS]

  exactly what I want but I always feel like I'm getting more of a cut-down [TS]

  experience even even on the big iPhone sex may be in six-plus it wouldn't be [TS]

  able to cut down but I i want to go to the actual website and frequently I want [TS]

  to have a big screen so I can have multiple tabs in multiple windows to [TS]

  compare this product to that product and so on and so forth [TS]

  I can feel constrained when doing anything serious like price comparisons [TS]

  and shopping and looking for things from a mobile device so I hope to help states [TS]

  around a little longer because they really don't like buying things on my [TS]

  phone [TS]

  yeah I agree I don't shop [TS]

  me one single retailer often enough to justify installing an app except maybe [TS]

  Amazon and I recently installed the Amazon app on Flickr member why but I [TS]

  believe I've deleted it from my devices because I hate using it I much rather go [TS]

  to the website even on in like an iPad I'd much rather be on the website for [TS]

  these reasons he said John that I feel like I'm getting a kind of neutered [TS]

  experience on the Amazon app that for all I know that could be patently untrue [TS]

  but that's what it feels like to me and one way or the other I just don't see [TS]

  the point in having a nap that's really just a need a front-end for a website it [TS]

  when it comes to shopping and you could make the same arguments like Instagram [TS]

  and things like that but for shopping I'd much rather use the Website the only [TS]

  exception that I can think of is the at Apple Store app which I keep on my phone [TS]

  mostly for the rare occasions and going into the Apple Store for things like [TS]

  easy steel or whatever they call it and in for the rare occasions that I decide [TS]

  to buy watches that I swore up and down I wouldn't buy but I don't know Mark [TS]

  ODU's [TS]

  Store apps are you a web kind of guy so I'm kind of halfway between you old [TS]

  fogies and the rest of the world I have also put you in as one particular way [TS]

  I'm a little bit closer to the rest of the world that you got it sounds like so [TS]

  get off my lawn [TS]

  exactly so I i have the Amazon app in the Apple Store app I don't have any [TS]

  others [TS]

  44 stores but I do by a lot from Amazon and you know the Apple app is great [TS]

  because their online store isn't really that much better than the app in some [TS]

  ways to worse and somewhat slower the app is always the fastest way to [TS]

  pre-order hardware at 3 a.m. when they do the new releases and stuff such ideas [TS]

  awesome etcetera the Amazon app is different but the Amazon app I didn't [TS]

  install it I've been buying almost everything that i buy from Amazon for [TS]

  years and I only installed the app about six months ago but I've actually got [TS]

  into using it I i dont usually place orders from the Apple is like refilling [TS]

  already that already know that I is good I want to go out of dishwasher detergent [TS]

  ok whatever but I do frequently use the app to add things to my card without [TS]

  actually completing a Buy process so it kind of like as a reminder of advocacy [TS]

  for later kind of thing I like about him like like the other day on outside oh [TS]

  let me look up I keep trying to buy pressure washer detergent so let me let [TS]

  me look at just add one to my car and go back later when I order something on [TS]

  Amazon next probably can be within a couple of weeks then I'll see it and I [TS]

  have to go you know finish this research and by this or don't buy this so it is [TS]

  nice for that all people to chat with all these abilities about like scanning [TS]

  barcodes in the real world and comparing 7 I i don't i don't have that yet maybe [TS]

  in the future but I i disappointed after furthermore I i think you know us saying [TS]

  oh well we don't really buy things in the Aves we prefer to buy things in the [TS]

  website steps that's kind of like people saying well you know I don't like to buy [TS]

  things on the internet looking at maybe then go to a store and buy them i dont i [TS]

  dont have my credit card on the internet if you look something up in the yellow [TS]

  pages like it just it's I think it's the opposite because we it's the opposite [TS]

  its more like the Droid is when the power users complain that all the power [TS]

  user features they want to go away but it really doesn't matter because the [TS]

  restaurant similar product and what I'm I'm anyway complaining about is there [TS]

  are features available outside that aren't available in the App that I use [TS]

  and maybe most people don't use them and that's why i think its not analogous to [TS]

  like you know I'm not ready for the future I want to buy things in store [TS]

  instead of online because in that case the online experience gained more [TS]

  experience more features than the in person with you can shop and do all that [TS]

  stuff when you're a physical store all you can do is look at what's there and [TS]

  like the example what kind of future and I talked about so recently about swim [TS]

  things for my kids I did it had no specifics one thing in mind that I want [TS]

  to do so I want to see a lot of reviews and you can see they were using the [TS]

  mobile app you can see more on the website and it's easier to have a [TS]

  separate window with just your views and look at them and trying to find a theme [TS]

  that you wanted eventually get it and their size like 12345 [TS]

  have no idea 12345 mean and so then I wanna look at the little answer [TS]

  questions and answers and Allison added a few years ago someone saying hey how [TS]

  do I find out what the heck size to means what size shoe does that [TS]

  correspond oh there's a sizing chart in the people's website website you have [TS]

  the sizing chart like I'm the experience of figuring out what's one thing to buy [TS]

  what size to buy it in like that in the experience that I need the website for [TS]

  because on the app I it was hard to get that information I can't compare two [TS]

  things at once I wouldn't know I don't know if I would even have found the [TS]

  sizing chart thing which is like a mouse over things maybe a little table appear [TS]

  on the site that actually founded on the matter wouldn't even worked on mobile [TS]

  also all that information that I know is there like Amazon provides me away to [TS]

  find the answers to these questions but one of the reasons I'm shopping on [TS]

  Amazon all these features added when I'm doing it in the apple says here's the [TS]

  thing here's the price pic aside from popup menu and then read the reviews [TS]

  here and maybe I'm missing features and I like that makes Amazon less valuable [TS]

  to me the tribe because it's not cut and dried and I'm not just like all during [TS]

  the next round of paper towels from Amazon to come into its like the [TS]

  research for something i wanna buy and it's the type of research that's way [TS]

  easier do online looking to go to seventeen different sporting goods [TS]

  stores and try to do it at home I can drag my kids they're so they can try and [TS]

  swim fins everything I know their shoes size I gotta find a swimming thing that [TS]

  people say is pretty good that's not a piece of junk it as a reasonable price [TS]

  that will ship in a reasonable amount of time that aside though I want it and you [TS]

  know i i as i guess im saying it's not a person's web that bosnia its features [TS]

  that you make a web application if you make it and iOS application that for [TS]

  example runs on the iPad and gives a fancier more feature filled purchase [TS]

  experience then the phone version does I would probably be on par with that I'm [TS]

  not tied to the web because I specifically like the web more tied to [TS]

  having a big screen we're gonna look at lots of things at the same time and [TS]

  having access to all the features of these sites have had over the years that [TS]

  are useful for figure out what they are you wanna buy and that's exactly it you [TS]

  know obviously in the case of us looking up stuff on Amazon looking at reviews [TS]

  and specs and stuff [TS]

  Amazon was built for the web's first and the web is probably still the biggest [TS]

  platform but i i think it's it's clear to see the trend lines here [TS]

  where more and more activity and browsing and computing and purchasing is [TS]

  being done on mobile and so much as being done in apps not on websites and [TS]

  that number seems to be increasing and you know that you look at this store [TS]

  food cart in India [TS]

  their their customer base is dramatically increasing it and at that [TS]

  could have to do with any differences and cell phone adoption force computer [TS]

  adoption and India vs here but for the most part I think we're seeing the same [TS]

  general trend everywhere with his mobile is taking over big time and apps on [TS]

  mobile are way more important than websites and mobile for the most part [TS]

  today and that that trend is only going more in that direction it's not like [TS]

  it's not like we're waiting for the web to catch up on mobile I think the web is [TS]

  not going to catch up but there's probably gonna be both website web [TS]

  stores and app stores for most major retailers for a long time [TS]

  the main problems you have as you said this is an implementation detail just [TS]

  among the Amazon app today as the Amazon website today that's going to change [TS]

  over time they're going to make the appt better they're going to make more stuff [TS]

  possible in the app they're gonna make stuff better in the apt because that's [TS]

  where they should be pouring their attention as people use it more and [TS]

  they're good about that they will do it [TS]

  yeah I think that you're definitely in the popular crowd in thinking the app is [TS]

  the way the way to go and I think that John and I are kind of clinging to our [TS]

  old old tiny where he's but i just i don't like to have my I don't like to [TS]

  have any Apple iPhone that I either don't use regularly or don't absolutely [TS]

  need in a pinch late for example over I don't use regularly but man when I need [TS]

  it I wanted to be there in the Amazon app like john has said doesn't really [TS]

  help me in any way that I used anyway and it hurts me in that it prevents me [TS]

  from doing things like having multiple tabs open and things like that so I [TS]

  don't think it's old timey vs New I think its features and a good example of [TS]

  this is the App Store which has a web interface but it's terrible [TS]

  no one like you can't actually do it from the web but say you could let you [TS]

  know what the web if you end up on the web pages for the App Store is like [TS]

  nothing there you can't do anything it's just like the shell of a thing [TS]

  that's the case where the application has more features and even though it's a [TS]

  website and even though it's a big window and you get a multiple ones open [TS]

  at once you would never want to do that because the features that you care about [TS]

  like even just like reading more than three review the web ones just so I can [TS]

  appreciated version of a couple of years or whatever the app has more features [TS]

  there and so it's not so much a person's web it's like where are the features and [TS]

  maybe it's just like ok Amazon was born on the web and their and they're happy [TS]

  scrappy and newer stores that are more apt native will do a better job I did [TS]

  see that happening but the second level problem is we talk about why it is gonna [TS]

  have a million stories I just don't like the web you put the party there and you [TS]

  get any web store and this is actually the reason that helped a lot of apps the [TS]

  AppStore not gonna have an appt for restore you are going to necessarily be [TS]

  limited by the store apps that are on your device if you're in like an appt [TS]

  mines at like i buy things through apps if you don't find you re it's kind of [TS]

  like well I can go to Target but I can't go to Kmart because no Kmart in my town [TS]

  like the other one is really far away like well you know K mart exists and you [TS]

  know you can get there but you know convenience sake you're gonna go the one [TS]

  that's close to you if you only have 5 outside your phone [TS]

  well I could buy this thing at some other location but I don't actually have [TS]

  that my phone I have this app I won't let me do not gonna go to the AppStore [TS]

  and download like you can't download every retailers out so retailers getting [TS]

  their apps onto your phone because once you have like so you have over the also [TS]

  had to lift that they also have that whatever you know competitor to the [TS]

  rumors going around the future you have seventeen different apps for getting [TS]

  rides are you gonna pick maybe one or two and one says one or two are on your [TS]

  phone it's harder for the competitor to give their app on your phone is your day [TS]

  like you have that need covered where is it all just websites every time you [TS]

  launch sorry it's up for grabs are you end up based on like a Google search are [TS]

  you know a bookmark or whatever [TS]

  well but a lot of that applies to the web to I mean like having having your [TS]

  credit card to see it in a site I haven't had a good online purchase [TS]

  experience or a good online store mean there are there are so many things that [TS]

  led the Tigers by Amazon because I used to buy them on their vendors site but [TS]

  their vendor site is slow an awful [TS]

  and I just it's so much easier to order from Amazon so I can do it they're like [TS]

  that they're they're the same kind of like Lockheed in style effects on the [TS]

  web it that that isn't really that is close to the admit it takes a little bit [TS]

  of a step but but but I think you'll do a search like to do a search for [TS]

  something like you don't know where you want to buy something like you won't [TS]

  feel yourself limited to just starting in a store you've already chosen [TS]

  practically where you gonna buy we're starting on the web [TS]

  you don't know where you can buy you just trying to see what's out there [TS]

  working options are out there you know even something like the sweet home where [TS]

  you like I don't know anything about whatever it is like you know you can be [TS]

  humidifiers or something like I'm sure I'm going to find out what is a good [TS]

  humidifier to buy if you start that by launching an app already practically [TS]

  decided where you're going to buy any just gonna say what seventeen [TS]

  humidifiers and if you did a Google search might end up unlike marcos [TS]

  humidifier thing you might end up on the sweet home or whatever and that could [TS]

  leave you to restore eventually but you would be learning about what to buy like [TS]

  I don't know why I see advantages to the apt approach if you do the app well I [TS]

  see it meant just for the vendors but I see a lot of downsides for like sort of [TS]

  unconscious lock in some of the old school and just like any of the stores [TS]

  that are actually near your house influence where you buy stock in the [TS]

  pre-internet days sure but I think my my my Yellowpages remark earlier applies to [TS]

  it to a large degree here which is like if you if you look at the world today [TS]

  absent web etcetera right now do you think you could launch a new restaurant [TS]

  or a new shop in a town without having an injury the yellow pages and [TS] like it wasn't like you are actually going there [TS]

  well but ok but a lot of people when they when they would need a certain type [TS]

  of business are researching for a type of store type of business they would [TS]

  look in the yellow pages for a long time and so websearch replace that well so [TS]

  what i'm saying is this is a matter for john is a reference to what i'm saying [TS]

  is that at some point you know today you can learn something new and you don't [TS]

  really have to think about placement yellow pages or buying an ad there [TS]

  because enough people find stuff on the web now it's even worth your time to [TS]

  make it for any other pages [TS]

  your business anymore it's very possible there will come a time where a major [TS]

  retailer or any size retailer where so few people are buying stuff on the web [TS]

  pages versus so many buying stuff and apps that when they have to decide how [TS]

  to allocate their resources and where the weather to have only a nap or only [TS]

  website or both [TS]

  there's there can come a time if this trend continues where the website is [TS]

  just not worth it to build and maintain for them so you're saying that their [TS]

  website is like the yellow pages I'm saying we're heading in a direction [TS]

  where websites might become as relevant as the yellow pages are today and I [TS]

  don't know if we'll ever get there but that is the direction I think that we [TS]

  are heading in I don't think that instance the search question that like I [TS]

  mean just think of like what were the good restaurants in this area like when [TS]

  you when you don't already know where you're going to end up because they [TS]

  thought they were the bunch apps you are picking a store but money you have no [TS]

  idea where you end up or you just want to know what's around here or what [TS]

  what's out there that we can try you need some way to find to find what's out [TS]

  there and you're not gonna do it you're certainly not gonna do it by searching [TS]

  the App Store you're not gonna go to the App Store and type of restaurant to find [TS]

  me just think I think about restaurants had no websites they only had apps and [TS]

  even your own area where you live you just wanna know hey have any new [TS]

  restaurants opened in this area are you gonna go to the App Store and try to [TS]

  find a restaurant after a restaurant near uhlig App Store but let you find [TS]

  Angry Birds reliably well know you might search the App Store for restaurants and [TS]

  find something like Yelp if you didn't already know about it which is probably [TS]

  unlikely the App Store is different the a paradigm of using apps to interact [TS]

  with computing things and buy things just like when you move to the web [TS]

  things were different in a lot of ways when when it in the mood to apps things [TS]

  are not going to work the same way just certain things will take their place in [TS]

  your case you're saying how do you are you gonna search for restaurants Napster [TS]

  know you're going to open up the Yelp app in search of restaurants there like [TS]

  there's gonna be all these Silas if you want to buy an object of sold in stores [TS]

  usually you're gonna go to Amazon or whatever if you want to you know you're [TS]

  going to help in some way that if you want to tax you can open your taxi at [TS]

  whatever one that might be that you choose your area like [TS]

  that is it that is the interactive that-that's interaction paradigm on [TS]

  mobile [TS]

  it is not you don't start at universal search box and get shown tons of spam [TS]

  like most of these after talking about it just web use inside a container [TS]

  anyway and I thought it is making but what i'm saying is it's making it's [TS]

  making it worse because it's good for the people who are selling these things [TS]

  because they're like oh people be locked up on our phone let us use their app but [TS]

  it's bad for us because people are taking what used to be sort of on a more [TS]

  level playing field and combining it inside these little containers and [TS]

  having their own icons on the home screen to disclose everything else it [TS]

  makes everything worse and 11 places that might not be as good as in other [TS]

  places app and so on and so forth just the container stop along with inside the [TS]

  pages just the same applies to websites that mean it's it is going to be [TS]

  different [TS]

  we know that it it doesn't necessarily worse in every way it's better in some [TS]

  ways it's just it's different it's better for them it's better for the [TS]

  vendor's how is it better for us [TS]

  things load fast I don't know I just not better for us unless I mean unless [TS]

  artificially done like [TS]

  is better for us in the App Store because Apple's web version of the [TS]

  absence just so bad that's one way to make it better is everyone made your [TS]

  website that way way worse until the app version of it wins because the website [TS]

  they're basically useless they're doing a great job of that already websites [TS]

  their terrible the Amazon versus the app on their not doing I've never used this [TS]

  book are things I can't say I mean some what's one thing that you routinely by [TS]

  through an app that you don't buy their website I guess Instagram is not buying [TS]

  thing but they don't they have a website too but Sox wilbur I guess they even [TS]

  have a website probably not at that moment I have no idea what else can you [TS]

  think of that is a better experience of buying through a nap then through the [TS]

  website the Apple Store app is pretty good [TS]

  yeah i i would say that I I don't necessarily think it it's better cuz you [TS]

  can't do everything you know Apple's website is functional but mediocre and [TS]

  in a lot of ways to the store part it works it most of the time it it doesn't [TS]

  usually show errors or anything but the app is good enough and the app actually [TS]

  is faster because it isn't loading all the chrome and stylesheets it seems to [TS]

  access some kind of separate API that doesn't go down as much during the major [TS]

  product launches and it has touch I D Apple pay for checking out which is [TS]

  awesome and it has more than that though right because it has genius reservations [TS]

  if not creation of then then check in for it has easy steel or whatever it's [TS]

  called for you scan the barcode and then pay through the app and walk out of the [TS]

  store and if you're like me you're holding your iPhone up to anyone who is [TS]

  looking anywhere near your directions to show that you've actually paid for this [TS]

  thing that looks like you're stealing it has some functionality and this comes [TS]

  back to john was saying earlier it has functionality that you can't get through [TS]

  the website and that's i think in large part why I like the Apple Store app so [TS]

  much you know what else also John I can buy things on the Amazon app that ever [TS]

  internet password because I entered it once and said save it on the web that [TS]

  doesn't quite work on the web you always have to go through blogging for me to [TS]

  buy something [TS]

  and no I know there's ways that they can do about that but the fact is they don't [TS]

  so that's another thing it's faster if you know what you're looking for an apt [TS]

  shopping experience can be a lot faster hit you yet you can go if you're fifty [TS]

  has decent search you can jump right there and hit check out like that and if [TS]

  there's any steps that can skip by the security of the phone like touch I D for [TS]

  Apple pay for shipping passwords it can be faster in many cases it is faster [TS]

  what you're describing John about wanting to open a buncha tabs do [TS]

  research have a side that is worse you're right the web is probably always [TS]

  going to be the better platform for that I just mean like it like structurally is [TS]

  the worst 22 have a bunch apps like they're pinning you down in the ways in [TS]

  artificial ways rather than you thinking that it's a greenfield and you have [TS]

  access to all the world's vendors you are necessarily limited to the icons [TS]

  that you put on your phone and there's some in Nerja to dislodging as icons are [TS]

  adding a new one or are remembering which Apple grouping together at like [TS]

  that how many different apps you can do the same job is as well as it was not a [TS]

  nap native platform like I i feel like it is constraining in a way that [TS]

  benefits the vendors it doesn't benefit consumers for mostly no good reason is a [TS]

  few recently said that the biometrics things about everybody again amazon has [TS]

  the one-click stuff and really that's not that big of a hurdle for checking [TS]

  out at Amazon I feel like it's below the threshold where touch I D it's cool for [TS]

  us to be able to do it but most people they just click click click and go [TS]

  through and I know a lot of people who like to have that i are afraid to turn [TS]

  on one click because it's too fast that was already 2011 biometric and I think [TS]

  both of you are there were startled by how easy it was to drop however many [TS]

  hundred dollars to watch just tap tap but you know like so good for vendors [TS]

  maybe not give any I was think about which companies do which happens to have [TS]

  better apps and websites and so it's it's companies that started you know [TS]

  sort of the app world like uber you know our Instagram they're always out first [TS]

  their websites if they exist at all after thoughts in their Absa better [TS]

  right [TS]

  its companies that have always been terrible the web like Apple [TS]

  I guess that's the explanation why their apps better than their web versions [TS]

  because they've never really been good at web stuff and so that happens when [TS]

  and then the other companies that either started on the web like Amazon are you [TS]

  like airlines like Air Lines have apps but their their web experiences you have [TS]

  more features are more ways to like you know research which seats you can do and [TS]

  get a better diagram know if you didn't see this you can enter your number there [TS]

  and do this thing and that doesn't show you that path right things you can only [TS]

  do from the website that you can do from the app [TS]

  everything sucks yeah they're bad and everything but still they're absurd are [TS]

  more feature poorer than their website it's like oh when you're making a [TS]

  reservation to make sure you to go through the website because on the app [TS]

  you don't get this option that option you want to do this one because you can [TS]

  get more legroom for less cost or whatever like it's a weird split and I [TS]

  don't know especially for the big ones like you know Amazon eBay things that [TS]

  have some critical mass is difficult to overcome a perpetually going to have [TS]

  worse apps and websites will they figure it out to reverse it or is it only the [TS]

  new companies like you know you're bringing something like company that [TS]

  came of age in the app error where they never really considered websites in [TS]

  their whole product was always in at any rate we should plug a new website that [TS]

  has come out since I believe the last time we reported this is cosmodrome by [TS]

  breeanna would John you want to tell us a little about this [TS]

  yeah it's a linked list style site as she calls it sort of model thundering [TS]

  fireball only if it's just gonna be a bunch of links not a bunch of original [TS]

  writing that for the most part and so what's the big deal but those nine sites [TS]

  have a bunch of Technology links and stuff [TS]

  this one is like any site that has a single person behind it the ideas the [TS]

  voice of the person comes through in this is Brianna voice and she's [TS]

  intentionally trying to put in links that have the best content from tech and [TS]

  gaming because she's obviously runs a gaming company and she's also into texas [TS]

  not just going to be like you know regular technology stuff what about [TS]

  mixed in with the game is free stuff and she's trying to amplify the voices of [TS]

  women that she respects and women in the industry so she's got an introductory [TS]

  post explaining what caused the drama is about you can [TS]

  seat in the show notes I find myself in this is another example of apps vs the [TS]

  web I suppose when I saw that this thing was there like I'm never going to see [TS]

  anything on that side unless it has a Twitter account because that's how I see [TS]

  all my links I follow the Twitter accounts that belong like Marco target [TS]

  during fireball and cases but you're one of those yes I don't like RSS twitter is [TS]

  just even ours i subscribe to the Twitter account like these sites and so [TS]

  this is I still have an RSS reader I still use the reader with 2 E's on the [TS]

  iPad to read news but it's like a different set of things like I had the [TS]

  things they use RSS feeds for and they had two things that are they get to be [TS]

  my twitter twitter feed few small number of sites just the important ones but [TS]

  yeah I'm now basically in the Twitter out since I said how do I see that when [TS]

  you post something that we're going to talk about later in the show how did I [TS]

  say that I see it on Twitter how to read it by following me on Twitter I didn't [TS]

  have time to read to that point I would have instead is the paper did from [TS]

  Twitter and I i don't think I ever go to your site to see if there's anything new [TS]

  on your side and I don't think your site is in my rss feeds anymore because it's [TS]

  a type of site that as soon as something is published I wanna know about [TS]

  immediately I do because on Twitter and I keep up with my Twitter anyway [TS]

  cosmodrome blog is the Twitter handle we put a LinkedIn Directory Post and shouts [TS]

  check it out [TS]

  yeah I i've been following it since she tweeted it it's very good you know I'm [TS]

  still stuck on John saying that you are one of those people that gets oiling [TS]

  from Twitter not all my links with the one that if I wanna know as soon as [TS]

  something is posted or you know like especially with the linked list thing [TS]

  you're not going to read everything you say is I understand it's not it's not [TS]

  the words of somebody writing something down a lot of blogs RMX like market has [TS]

  some link posted at some post on his own right so there's a handful of things [TS]

  that i subscribe to it that way and Twitter and I will know as soon as [TS]

  someone post something on those things because I keep up with Twitter right but [TS]

  RSS poor let me see the last whatever I'm teen news stories from our state to [TS]

  guard says I don't subscribe to the giant if there was a Twitter feed that [TS]

  showed everything there is no way we describe that would fill my feet over [TS]

  never looking I use my rss reader [TS]

  go and look at all them at the same time view the more quickly and so yeah I i [TS]

  the only such Twitter account that I following I don't follow Marco Oregon [TS]

  Twitter it's in my rss reader I don't follow daring firebombs whether it's in [TS]

  my rss reader but I follow my own to make sure things get weeded and I think [TS]

  you should follow hypocritical because once a year maybe something right away [TS]

  you know it's really great to follow a bunch of sites like that [TS]

  RSS arrears yeah agreed but you never noticed an area that's where you really [TS]

  look at section of the RSS here pay here here's here's your problem right here [TS]

  RSS readers if you if you have so many subscriptions that you are missing items [TS]

  constantly because they're buried in a different section [TS]

  you have too many subscriptions options I do actually keep up with our [TS]

  assessment that was like years ago right you know I wasn't a completionist but I [TS]

  was a markets red completionist and in the glory days in the newswire had tons [TS]

  of feeds and at the very least every day I would decide that I'm not going to [TS]

  read something like it was I would go through everything that's there who say [TS]

  I am going to read that I'm not going to read and agree to things that I'm going [TS]

  to read now what you most the stuff you know right but that passed I don't know [TS]

  why that path that pastors I guess because the volume just increased like [TS]

  any thought that mean more feeds but the volume increase like think of what they [TS]

  are setting RSS feed was when I first thought it was like a couple of posts a [TS]

  day now it's like a fire hose and just multiply that for every site that I [TS]

  followed by so unsubscribe because you're not really reading them all I'm [TS]

  not like I go to it when I go there and you know just March market's losses read [TS]

  because it's like a date info but I find the few I still subscribe to a lot of [TS]

  things but most of things I should care about our Twitter and that's only maybe [TS]

  five six sites you visit this is why we can't get through follow-up or topics [TS]

  and Ariza lot of time because every everything that we do we discover [TS]

  something about each other that is worth discussing and we have to nitpick [TS]

  ended once we want to be ended [TS]

  cosmodrome thing they were just talking about other stuff I i lived in the show [TS]

  if you guys are first sponsor to respond to this week it is bushel bu Shi L [TS]

  bushel dot com slash ATP so this is really interesting you know how iOS [TS]

  devices if you have like a real job and you have a company there's always [TS]

  configuration options you can do it again to manage a fleet of iOS devices [TS]

  max you can use configuration profiles everything doing this though it is not [TS]

  an easy thing to set up and manage bushel is a hosted cloud service that [TS]

  basically does that management for you in a really really nice interface so it [TS]

  so here's what it is so it is a mobile device management MDM system cloud-based [TS]

  awesome web interface is very simple to use and it lets anyone to easily manage [TS]

  Apple devices in a workplace this includes iOS devices iPhone iPad iPod [TS]

  Touches John and even max I didn't even know max could do this stuff but they [TS]

  can so bushel lets you easily set up and protect Apple devices that you [TS]

  distribute to your team or even devices your team already has with bushel [TS]

  managing your workplaces devices you can easily provide and manage access to [TS]

  company email accounts is a pretty cool so you can you can send us the profile [TS]

  at extending the duration out to these devices and the employees don't need to [TS]

  manually configure all the stuff of the server settings and everything to access [TS]

  their email the company email or you know make sure you can make sure to have [TS]

  a Sony about all this school stuff and you can also install iWork apps in the [TS]

  Apple App Store you can install them to every device all at once you can also [TS]

  enable settings that will separate and protect your team's personal data and [TS]

  personal apps from their work data from your company and that way or another [TS]

  great feature is that if a device is ever lost or stolen you can remotely [TS]

  lock it or you can completely wipe all the company data portion off of it [TS]

  remotely are really cool stuff they have a device inventory section you can see [TS]

  capacities you can see which user is using which device which adds even [TS]

  stolen devices and much more you can even configure company own devices [TS]

  through bushel without having to physically touch them first that's [TS]

  pretty cool you can basically [TS]

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  that wouldn't take it out it's all setup I really cool stuff with bushel you can [TS]

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  integrated into one seamless fully responsive web interface so you can [TS]

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  reasonable pricing learn more at bushel dot com slash ATP its bu Shi L dot com [TS]

  slash ATP this sounds really cool so thanks a lot to bushel for sponsoring [TS]

  you know why I even think like you do this yourself or your own devices are [TS]

  your family's devices [TS]

  there's so many somebody could use for this thanks a lot bushel bushel dot com [TS]

  slash ATP alright so in the last 24 hours we have our first Apple watch OS [TS]

  update so we are now on Apple watch 10 . one I believe it's pronouncement watch [TS]

  us to watch us without a doubt one I have installed it Marco of you I presume [TS]

  you've installed as well I have nothing happened it was glorious disappointed [TS]

  they didn't call it a firmware update member those days now if only get a [TS]

  firmware update it was there was an OS update in all the same way as it ever [TS]

  was but they haven't yet decided to call it a rest but I couldn't even run ads [TS]

  right it was a firmware update watch for my guess [TS]

  doubts yeah well in any case I just wanted to point out a couple of initial [TS]

  impressions I had i've talked to a handful of people and a lot of us agreed [TS]

  that third party apps and glances especially just heal quicker I have no [TS]

  concrete evidence of this I have no no quantitative evidence of this but it [TS]

  just feels quicker to me market would you say that's the case I think so its [TS]

  hard it was hard to tell initially because in in the previous 1.0 version [TS]

  after cleaning reboot things would be faster and more responsive for a while [TS]

  so you know after you install the update you have a clean reboot so it would feel [TS]

  fast immediately so far though in in what Dana half the we've had it so far I [TS]

  have not had an app lock up permanently forever I have not seen an infant [TS]

  spinner and that is part of that is amusing very few apps now but it does [TS]

  seem like they have improved it so I i give the thumbs-up yeah I agree the only [TS]

  thing that I'm a little shady about shady on is I went for a walk earlier [TS]

  tonight and what I did was I went to the exercise out i said im going for an [TS]

  outdoor walk and I started walking and by no means am i doing you know a super [TS]

  mega power walk or anything like that we were married in Dec when I work walking [TS]

  reasonably briskly and when I got back from this walk that was like two and a [TS]

  half miles or something like that and lasted roughly 50 minutes I got back in [TS]

  I was credited with something like fifteen minutes of walking wounded one [TS]

  dodo I don't remember that having never been the case that if I walked for 15 [TS]

  minutes I'll get credit for 15 minutes of exercise [TS]

  well was that credit for 15 minutes of elevated heart rate well and that's [TS]

  exactly what I was going to say is this all could be that I was cheating the [TS]

  system in 1900 and I shouldn't have been getting credit because I wasn't getting [TS]

  my heart pumping quick enough to earn a credit now in 1902 outline maybe the [TS]

  heart rate detection is more frequent or maybe it's just better in one way or [TS]

  another maybe I just don't deserve credit for more than you know fifteen [TS]

  minutes out of [TS]

  tea but it is different than what I dot O and the last night right after I had [TS]

  done my upgrade I went for a walk and I could swear that for a little while [TS]

  during that walk my heart rate read 70 and I'm out of shape enough that I can [TS]

  assure and I was walking quickly enough that I assure you my heart rate was [TS]

  probably not seventies so this is all very very anecdotal and it very well [TS]

  could be user ineptitude on my part since I wasn't walking quickly enough [TS]

  but I know it just seems like that gotta let the heart rate related things got a [TS]

  little bit worse but what I'd like to do is maybe tomorrow I'll really try to amp [TS]

  up the speed and see if that makes a difference and give it a shot also try [TS]

  try to give you a good wipe off to the disc on the back of the watch I I had an [TS]

  issue today where my morning walk this morning that the watch kept locking as [TS]

  if I take it off [TS]

  oh that's interesting and so i i assume about the center must be you know cloudy [TS]

  or whatever so I wiped it off and I haven't seen the problem did it a few [TS]

  times in the same in the same walk and the workout app crashing and it was not [TS]

  good but then I took it off later wiped off and haven't seen as in so that it [TS]

  could be that who knows all the shape your own hair I'm not a guerilla like [TS]

  you are John but I will keep that in mind so John how are you enjoying watch [TS]

  OS 1.0 point 1 I've seen screenshots of people updating their OS on one device [TS]

  by running an update on another device and making sure the washes and the [TS]

  charger when they do it like it was paranoid about the like the iPad and [TS]

  iPhone app they cease to be like well you have to at least 50% battery power [TS]

  and if you don't get to be connected to power before we run the updater and [TS]

  stuff in the watch it's like even more like no just unconditional it seemed [TS]

  like a red connected to the charger . well I think the reason why first of all [TS]

  keep in mind like if a software update on the water goes bad the recovery [TS]

  options you have are as far as we know pretty limited because there is no you [TS]

  can't just plug it into iTunes and hold down two buttons and have it we have it [TS]

  go in DFU mode like we don't know if there's anything that a home user can do [TS]

  probably gotta be like wireless like put it into recovery mode where it's just [TS]

  looking for a wireless signal that will say no to it ok I'm about to take you [TS]

  over an inch of a whole new image down your throat problem yeah and then the [TS]

  other thing is the update for me it's a pretty long time I would say it took 20 [TS]

  minutes and during that time the screen was on the entire time showing the [TS]

  progress so I think that is probably why they require the power because if you [TS]

  didn't have it powered you would slaughter the battery life just doing [TS]

  the update and not screen because you know it's doing like I O and it's a [TS]

  little solid state storage for the whole time [TS]

  salts doing in India over the normal course of events to watch is not reading [TS]

  the disc exactly right we should probably plug something else that that's [TS]

  going on specifically during W Dec week so whether or not you happen to be going [TS]

  to San Francisco at Camp for Girls is doing a fundraising happy hour that is [TS]

  being thrown by WABC girls and that's going on the Wednesday night of the WDC [TS]

  week now if you're not going to San Francisco that week that doesn't mean [TS]

  you can't help out and it doesn't mean you can't donate at camp for girls which [TS]

  is a really great organization that seeks to improve the the interest of [TS]

  increasing interest of young girls and young women in development and [TS]

  programming and things of that nature and so ATP is going to be sponsoring the [TS]

  happy hour I know I will at the very least be going there for a little while [TS]

  if not the entire time Marco I think you are also going is that true [TS]

  that's true alright so we will be there for at least a little while so if you [TS]

  wanted an excuse to say hi to us then I would certainly do so in all likelihood [TS]

  we'll probably get there the whole time I just I'm afraid to guarantee that [TS]

  because WBC week gets a little crazy but anyway but ATP is sponsoring we'd love [TS]

  it if you could show up tickets for what like $20 suggested donation and if you [TS]

  can't make it you can just you can donate on the same for me to say are you [TS]

  and I can make it but here's the no 10 bucks or whatever please do that if you [TS]

  can't make it this is really a fantastic organization to account [TS]

  has to work and we we couldn't we couldn't possibly recommend strongly [TS]

  enough that he supported yeah I definitely wrote in a donation that was [TS]

  considerably more than $20 for my ticket I encourage you if you happen to be [TS]

  going and you have the means to do so I encourage you to do the same thing and [TS]

  just like Marcus said whether or not you gonna be there please feel free to [TS]

  donate a camp for girls it's a really really great organization and like I [TS]

  said at the very least mark when I will be there to say hi to everyone and shake [TS]

  a few hands and takes off these effects your stick etc etc so please check it [TS]

  out we'll put a link in the shutout set up camp for girls the Wednesday night up [TS]

  w to WTC and its evening at like 5:30 p.m. so I get is it doesn't take up your [TS]

  whole night happy hour things like nothing else is going on during happy [TS]

  hour so you if you're there you can totally make it [TS]

  yep exactly before we leave the topic of the BBC we also want to mention the [TS]

  release notes podcast from our friends Charles Perry and Josef linski I really [TS]

  snowed out TV they did a great episode this week episode 105 on WBC tips and [TS]

  and kind kind of an overview of what's going on that week what what events or [TS]

  parties what other conferences are going on our friend Justin char is put on a [TS]

  conference called layers which is looks looks fantastic [TS]

  there's so many good big names that are going to be speaking there I actually [TS]

  wanna take that i'm gonna be basically balancing both attending both of you see [TS]

  and that looks amazing thats bring your layers dot com I think and yeah the [TS]

  layers company agreed to halt all conflicts also has an amazing speaker [TS]

  and now there is so much going on that week that if you don't have a ticket you [TS]

  have more options [TS]

  there's so much going on so definitely check out those conferences check out [TS]

  there listening to podcasts did a much better job then we will go over all the [TS]

  all the options you have it's been nothing WTC is multi track and you can't [TS]

  actually be like some sessions now the the entirety of that week is multi [TS]

  conference multitrack [TS]

  you are doing it for you Marco [TS]

  have a ticket to both layers and very easy and you can't be in both places at [TS]

  once so it's on certain days you'll be deciding on going to be later in the [TS]

  morning and here in the afternoon or whatever [TS]

  yeah and that's before I am considering multiple tracks is less money tracker [TS]

  single believe it single that's that's a goal is but then he was multi any way [TS]

  too much stuff jammed into one week but this is a great problem to have I mean [TS]

  it's much better than you know what would have happened if Marco and I [TS]

  didn't get tickets wbez and we wanted to go to San Francisco anyway I mean not [TS]

  I'm sure we would have found something useful to do during the day time when we [TS]

  weren't at the conference but now we have all sorts of options that were [TS]

  hypothetically would have had all sorts of options of things to do and that's [TS]

  kind of exciting because one thing I feared is that over the years as less [TS]

  and less of us win the lottery and are able to go to WBC the conference I would [TS]

  I was wondering if you know what I go to San Francisco during that week in the in [TS]

  future years if I didn't have a ticket to WBC and if things like layers and all [TS]

  comfort going on than [TS]

  well I mean that's awesome so this is really exciting and I'm really thrilled [TS]

  that that people in the community are stepping up to make this even more [TS]

  inclusive for those who don't have a ticket to the big show so I'm really [TS]

  stoked yeah this is really great work today that the other organized to [TS]

  putting on this even like they were talking about how they're hosting a [TS]

  viewing room as part of all kinds in a big theater where you can go and watch [TS]

  the live streams and watch session videos they're released so if you want [TS]

  if you don't have a ticket but you're gonna be there and you want to do and [TS]

  you want to see what the live stuff and you want to watch the sessions they are [TS]

  setting up a room that the maze-like and their and they're going to do this a lot [TS]

  of people do viewing parties get togethers with it with a projector to [TS]

  watch a live stream of whatever so many people do this kind of stuff it's really [TS]

  great and you know the fact is a lot of people you know it's it's hard if you if [TS]

  you don't know a lot of people out there if you don't have friends it's hard to [TS]

  find some of this private stuff but now there's things like all kinds and layers [TS]

  that are like these are public events that anybody can go to all countries [TS]

  even free [TS]

  anybody could do these things so even if you don't have friends out there already [TS]

  are you don't know what people out there there is now still options even for that [TS]

  and that's that's fantastic is that that really you know it's it's hard to break [TS]

  into the social crowd of certain app developers if you don't know anybody [TS]

  this provides ways to do that and that's really great I was doing is making hotel [TS]

  prices even higher [TS]

  yeah they worked parable this year I mean they've always been getting [TS]

  progressively worse but I feel like maybe it's all my head but I feel like [TS]

  there's a big jump this year maybe the maybe the hotel so funny figured out [TS]

  what happens this week [TS]

  well what happened is that is the park 3535 was always our with our chief go to [TS]

  last for years and I got bought by Hilton I think like the pickwick was [TS]

  expensive this year though was it like everything was expensive that's insane [TS]

  I've stated the pic 1 year and I think it has since been refurbished but the [TS]

  time I was there let's just say you get what you pay for the problem is you [TS]

  don't get what you pay for [TS]

  you can pay like 300 bucks a night for hotel room but in San Francisco during [TS]

  the BBC week nights on the cheap and and so you you can have a cheap crappy hotel [TS]

  and have paid three dollars a night for it [TS]

  yeah that's the the the room rates this year are like every night but you're [TS]

  staying in San Francisco you could buy yourself a new Apple originally i dont [TS]

  member who was but you know when I was shopping for hotel prices away before [TS]

  the lottery which by the way this is another one i doing W ABC tips assigned [TS]

  this nothing that people who go to WC frequently do is book your hotel [TS]

  reservations before you even know when WC is going to be peace hotel [TS]

  reservations are really easy to cancel all you need like 24 hours notice [TS]

  usually right so book your hotel reservations and I was doing that if [TS]

  you're not going to go pick with everything was $350 or more and so guess [TS]

  just like just to just one more day one more about watching not getting up [TS]

  another Apple watch window up the meter check this Apple watch burn up at 10 [TS]

  just everyday you're there you just burning Apple watches the unit of [TS]

  currency instead of paying for rooms you just played in a fistful of a [TS]

  possibility [TS]

  green bands of that image that the music of gasoline is the currency and Mad Max [TS]

  right so it's just the wilds of Apple colorful sport pants yeah well it the [TS]

  picnic is at least better than what is the master who David sparks are saying [TS]

  on the talk show only shared bathrooms the city to get progressively and that [TS]

  probably still $200 a night so I seconds bunch of this week is harvest harvest is [TS]

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  client work time tracking is such a major part of it as you know casey you [TS]

  know this right with harvest no matter where you find yourself working the [TS]

  focus stays on the task at hand so it's very simple you working on something you [TS]

  start timer for it you can start these timers from anywhere [TS]

  your web browser your desktop or mobile device [TS]

  tracked hours appear in beautiful visual time reports and then when all said and [TS]

  done all the work is done you can create an invoice will the work is really never [TS]

  done but you know when you start to get paid you can create an invoice with [TS]

  billable hours right in harvest everything's all integrated harvest [TS]

  gives you the tools data and visualizations designed to keep projects [TS]

  on time and within budget you can use these tools you can see for yourself you [TS]

  can see data like which clients and projects are actually making you money [TS]

  and which ones are really just costing you because you're putting so much time [TS]

  in the UK me that much money back so Casey I'm curious you work in the [TS]

  consulting business how useful is it too late harvest 22 really you know your [TS]

  time tracking skills it's hugely useful because I am an erosion on the bottom [TS]

  line of the company if I am NOT building a client and so you get your butt that I [TS]

  need to make sure I'm billing every second I'm working for a client and [TS]

  something like harvest as a really good job of making sure that I do exactly [TS]

  that and [TS]

  in the key to this is it being extremely low friction and that's exactly what [TS]

  this is so I I definitely recommend having harvest or something along those [TS]

  lines preferably harvest to do this because if you're anything like me doing [TS]

  it in your head is just a recipe for disaster [TS]

  exactly so harvest gives you all the tools to make this painless it's [TS]

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  occurred to me just a moment ago that the new MacBook Pro is the same style as [TS]

  the new Mac Pro was prior to the trash can you know whether it's gonna slap to [TS]

  new sticker on what was there [TS]

  yeah this is totally new you guys should buy one of its little bit better than [TS]

  that they change the trackpad and as new SSD the new the new Mac Pros like where [TS]

  there was there was no new features it was literally just the internal upgrade [TS]

  was not a significant one it was it was like two different processor options and [TS]

  price drop in the end this this is a real update is just a really small one [TS]

  you know they they did upgrade the SSD to be the new PCI X for I believe it and [TS]

  that's significant because I opened because now I quess these are like 10 [TS]

  percent faster they like to ex just that's good yeah there is a great [TS]

  benchmark on their feet to show them all and it's a really like the SSD in in the [TS]

  newest I believe it's the 1350 read about perot and the new MacBook that [TS]

  well which MacBook 15 believe those are all now faster than the SSDs that are in [TS]

  the Mac Pro [TS]

  yeah because the metro dade hasn't gotten this update yet the Mac Pro is [TS]

  comfortable in that position of being the machine that is never updated by the [TS]

  Michigan slowly pass it by exactly so yeah it's a mean it was an update the [TS]

  the issue as with almost everything in the last year is that Broadwell chips [TS]

  have not shipped yet for the quad core so you know intel has had such a major [TS]

  delays in robert's I think it's almost a year later than it was supposed to be [TS]

  they just barely got the bubble chips out for the low-power models are the [TS]

  ones are used in the MacBook one and the ones are using a MacBook Air and I think [TS]

  the 32 but the quad core problem chips are still not out we're getting close to [TS]

  style leaks at eight under the state like this fall or next spring at this [TS]

  point it's pretty clear what's happening here is that you know Intel all their [TS]

  production later Broadwell they just cant get the quad cores out in time that [TS]

  Apple wants the Napa need to do an update on the GPU that that's a big [TS]

  thing we don't I don't think about these GPUs but the GPU everyone's getting [TS]

  ancient and GPUs move so quickly it's plausible the new one is probably not [TS]

  going to ask those people are never satisfied with the GPUs Apple pics but [TS]

  it will be doing probably faster so that's that's important right people it [TS]

  doesn't matter to me but important for people so i cant that but for the most [TS]

  part you know the the problem is there's no new CPUs to you so the CPU options [TS]

  and i believe even the motherboard chipset the ran everything is the exact [TS]

  same as last year in those departments so it is really kind of a half update a [TS]

  USBC correct yet no USBC no action case changes they did because they did the [TS]

  force touch trackpad they did add 4% more battery wattage to it I'm I'm [TS]

  assuming they didn't say this I'm assuming it's because the force touch [TS]

  trackpad is thinner and so they they get a little bit more space under it so they [TS]

  probably could fill that with battery cuz the battery in this could have done [TS]

  their scallop their terrorist batteries to live with it just you know whether [TS]

  more stuff well I think they would have said so if they did though I I'm [TS]

  guessing thats not here yet because that would have done would have probably [TS]

  involved [TS]

  sign of the whole top case which were there for the batter's upon that and [TS]

  they didn't do that so I'm guessing it's literally just like the battery was able [TS]

  to get 4% bigger because of the space game with the first extract that and [TS]

  that's it for this is a relatively unimpressive upgrade is what I'm hearing [TS]

  this case it's we get frustrated because like oh this is a bad day but it's so [TS]

  clear that this is not Apple dragging its feet it's Apple like going like well [TS]

  should be just as they gonna be out or should we wait or no and then we can [TS]

  wait it like I wonder when they made the decision to say we have to go with this [TS]

  sort of half update you know they can't they can't ship machines chips that are [TS]

  available to purchase from Intel right and it's a shame but there are that's [TS]

  the position they're in so this is a half update but if the best they could [TS]

  do in like timing wise could they have done the half updater there are some [TS]

  people are complaining like you're going to have Broadwell chips why did you why [TS]

  why the delay in releasing even these and we don't know maybe it took this [TS]

  long to just get this design together they made the decision several months [TS]

  ago [TS]

  you know it's it's a shame but it is what it is and I think with these [TS]

  machines most of the things I've seen from discussions remark on other peoples [TS]

  like if you have a recent read now MacBook Pro should you buy one of these [TS]

  machines and it's like well you really have to look at a few things that got [TS]

  better in them are you doing stuff that I abound in which case the SSD is a big [TS]

  deal yet on the GPU ground which case the GPU is better but otherwise CPU is a [TS]

  small bump blah blah blah but ignoring that saying you don't have it you don't [TS]

  have a Mac laptop or you don't have a macbook pro you don't have a retina [TS]

  MacBook Pro still pretty good machines like it's not like this is a dog you buy [TS]

  these are you bought one of those crappy ones that we're just kind of like purely [TS]

  judging it as how big leap over the previous one is is it whereas if you're [TS]

  using a non retina MacBook from a long time ago you've never purchased a Mac [TS]

  this seems like a perfectly fine machine right yeah I mean you know I I said in [TS]

  my post like so I i've been using a 2012 fifteen-inch read about the very first [TS]

  row it's been great like I i love it it's been awesome the only the only [TS]

  downside to it is that [TS]

  at usually when I'm on a cross-country flight using Xcode and you know serious [TS]

  computing stuff the whole time usually I need about an hour more battery life to [TS]

  restore or maybe occasionally two hours more battery life to be happy with it [TS]

  that is the only time that I'm that I'm not a hundred percent satisfied with [TS]

  machine it is so good and since then since 2012 they actually have gotten I i [TS]

  think they've gotten that extra hour hour and a half just by improvements [TS]

  from going from Ivy Bridge to has well you know couple other minor improvements [TS]

  but I really don't let it turns out I don't like for stocks I like on the [TS]

  water's fine I really don't care for the first extract beds that are in the [TS]

  laptops right now I tried them in the store and get to get to my mistake one [TS]

  in a minute but I I just don't like that I don't like the way they feel they [TS]

  don't they do feel like you're clicking the button and it is a really cool thing [TS]

  is a really cool technical achievement it's very impressive it does feel like [TS]

  you're clicking of physical button for the most part I would say it feels like [TS]

  80% right but it's it kinda like an uncanny valley situation like it almost [TS]

  feels like you're pushing a button but not quite [TS]

  and that and that not quite really irritates me and it doesn't feel like a [TS]

  good button press it is really impressive that that it works as well as [TS]

  it does considering there's no moving parts but i just i really don't like it [TS]

  so I like the previous generation 15 inch so much that I actually ordered [TS]

  yesterday's or you know last week's which is at the 2014 model actually [TS]

  order one of those on clearance from Amazon for 1850 to replace [TS]

  I mentioned earlier I I really need to end this computer down to a family [TS]

  member and I i kinda wanted to like and want a new one just to get a new battery [TS]

  and to get and to get that extra hour has like even though this is great it [TS]

  also has a three-year low battery indicator of three years old so I can [TS]

  still this one still works so well I can still head down to a family member or I [TS]

  could sell it for a good price [TS]

  down anymore so we'll see I really do think that the the base model [TS]

  fifteen-inch is an incredibly good value it is it is it is the most machine that [TS]

  most people need it is not that much it's a debate the base model that is [TS]

  usually $2,000 there's you can usually get a refurb or clear at a recent like [TS]

  Amazon for sixteen to eighteen hundred that's a really good bye compared to [TS]

  getting like a 13 inch and inspecting it up to be similar and that you know [TS]

  that's only a few dollars less usually 250 texts so good so powerful so fast [TS]

  the screen is huge you can do so much with it it has all the ports that that [TS]

  John needs it's it's great so that's why i like it so much I I compared it to the [TS]

  Honda Accord [TS]

  I saw the comparison and quite made sense when you're trying to say is that [TS]

  you can get a surprising amount for your money but like maybe if you can find [TS]

  your contacts who just read books are just Apple laptops and it fits that but [TS]

  still at like at 1602 $2,000 this is a very expensive laptop in the grand [TS]

  scheme of things well it isn't a fairly expensive Mac laptop it's a mid-priced [TS]

  Mac laptop that's all I'm saying like someone that wants you can once you can [TS]

  find it to max I would think that the Honda Accord is probably more like the [TS]

  13 inch air because it's gotten on radar screen and it's not even IPS screen or [TS]

  whatever but that thing does all the things a lot of supposed to do is it [TS]

  easy to carry it does all the stuff that has the parts it's like it is a complete [TS]

  thing where if you demand as we know from both your cars and your computer's [TS]

  a little bit more than its four-cylinder engine has to offer [TS]

  vitek notwithstanding so you are you are shopping in a different class of things [TS]

  so I think it is more apt to call [TS]

  thing the 535i not be right but it's still a premium product it's a large [TS]

  it's got a big engine and the the 13 inch air anyway I don't think it matters [TS]

  which corresponds to bottom line it's a it's a very nice yeah and and what what [TS]

  I discovered is that it is by far the machine I'm happiest with if I get [TS]

  anything smaller than a 15 their trips that I take that I really regret not all [TS]

  trips a lot of Tripoli can take and just and I wish I had the smallest about [TS]

  possible I'm not really coding merrily working I just need to keep up on email [TS]

  and stuff and browse the web sometimes I that's and I don't like using a pets are [TS]

  everybody you know that's fine also this is exactly why you felt the urge to go [TS]

  out and buy a brand new laptop that is not fifteen it because you like new [TS]

  things that's well briefly yes so I i'm had mixed experience with with new [TS]

  things [TS]

  25 K iMac is the best computer I've ever owned it's amazing I'm so ridiculously [TS]

  happy with it [TS]

  the Apple watch i've had for you know since day one so what is it about three [TS]

  weeks now love it I love I'm so I so love the Apple watch it is for a 1.0 [TS]

  especially it's an amazing product I you know it is not perfect but it is really [TS]

  really good and it's why I'm enjoying it more than I expected to [TS]

  I like it I I use it alot it has made me actually increase my physical activity [TS]

  level on a regular basis so far it is so good I am so happy with the Apple watch [TS]

  and again so that the Mac I'm so happy with the 15 inch laptop line you know I [TS]

  like a lot of things I thought I would like to have the MacBook one can you [TS]

  explain to people what the MacBook one is that the new MacBook Pro with 1 port [TS]

  yes but we always just talked about that is that I think who coined that term is [TS]

  that Marco I did anyway yes that's what we're talking about the really skinny [TS]

  MacBook with one part that we talked about for like seven episodes [TS]

  exactly we're going to get a little more in evidence or so for years I've been [TS]

  thinking you know I would love to have like a bedside tiny computer that I [TS]

  could occasionally write blog posts on an email if I go to bed early I'm like [TS]

  well stop when do you ever answer email I don't have a computer to answer it he [TS]

  added that the problem related front of a room for the day fun tonight but now [TS]

  Marcos is his purpose is buying a laptop specifically for use within a certain [TS]

  rooms upstairs downstairs so you know i i was waffling for years over there did [TS]

  maybe I'll it may be a good pick up a used 11 inch air from somewhere because [TS]

  it for my purposes of a blogging email and stuff it would need to be high spec [TS]

  at all it could be linked to be very slow and doesn't need to be knew it [TS]

  could be fine and I i would use it in an occasion when I do take these trips [TS]

  right don't need to get any work done when I just want to keep up an email [TS]

  stuff I can bring that as laptop instead of bringing my big 15 so this this was [TS]

  my thought and four years I've been thinking about this and not doing it and [TS]

  when I saw the MacBook one in person in the store I I was really tempted by from [TS]

  the very first time I saw it i've their various watch trips and repairs I've [TS]

  actually been to Apple stores number of times since its come out and every time [TS]

  I go I always go over to nap upon a look at it I type on the kind can live with [TS]

  this can live with this keyboard keyboard with it and it is just so small [TS]

  and so light and the screen looks pretty good and it isn't as good as other [TS]

  retinas I was wrong about that but it is it is closed and it is better than the [TS]

  opening share screen that's for sure [TS]

  the nine right now looks great I i just machine you see it and you're drawn to [TS]

  it it's it's like a lost all my Goddess action ice machine the business rep my [TS]

  store i mentioned at one point that I was possibly interested in one at some [TS]

  point and they emailed me saying they had one in and I thought you know what [TS]

  I'm about to go on a trip this weekend where it would be the perfect trip to [TS]

  test it out on me try let me get it [TS]

  I think I'm ready I think this is a good this is a good idea for me let's see how [TS]

  do I put this arthur's bunch of this week is fracture fracture print your [TS]

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  are awesome I have a bunch of around my office I got 60 1808 in my office right [TS]

  now so many of these things they're fantastic they really it is a photo [TS]

  printed on glass you upload your photo and about a dozen be a photo 6:03 [TS]

  remaining my office are icons for the apps that I've made a scandal troop each [TS]

  of these elections pieces like here's here's the road of apps I've made and [TS]

  these are legal class princeton hang on the wall it looks fantastic right now I [TS]

  have photos family photos fun photos illustrations and a couple of those up [TS]

  here and there they are fantastic it is such a good quality on his fractured [TS]

  prince I always get compliments on them people always ask about them and get [TS]

  them people who know fracture who knows them to the park testified he was the [TS]

  fractures like they always ask about them so many companies they're so good [TS]

  so really it is a piece of glass it's a thin piece of glass adhere to like this [TS]

  foam board thing to the nail in it and the food was printed on the back surface [TS]

  of the thin piece of glass and sand so it shows through the front and so it's [TS]

  protected it doesn't scratch off or anything it doesn't look weird [TS]

  frame which is really cool because then you know you normally get a photo [TS]

  printed the new gotta get a frame for it or get a custom frame which is really [TS]

  expensive and it doesn't look right tempo to hang on your wall by themselves [TS]

  with fracture it is its own complete product it looks great you know your [TS]

  frame it is fantastic it is clean it's modern it's very very well priced at it [TS]

  but everything you need to your foot on the wall or desk right in the box so [TS]

  prices start at just 15 bucks for a five by five inch square they'll have [TS]

  rectangles this is a great size for Instagram photos it's small it's big [TS]

  enough that you can see it in fact most of mine of that so i dont small size but [TS]

  it's small enough that if you only have like a low res iPhone shot the forest [TS]

  looks great even at that size [TS]

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  get a photo of your friend looking funny or whatever you can send it is it is so [TS]

  good I really I can't recommend fracture enough and really they get so many [TS]

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  order thank you very much to fracture photos printed directly on glass it is [TS]

  so good how they recommended so tell us about your big mistake so I really I [TS]

  talked myself into the MacBook 10 I said you know I for this purpose that I've [TS]

  wanted for a while it would be amazing because the one thing with the 11 inch [TS]

  air is the non Retina screen and that's a pretty big thing for me I really care [TS]

  alot about right now and I really don't like using screens and Megawati you know [TS]

  at this when you give this a try I think I think I might love this actually and [TS]

  so I bought it and brought it home and I used it for about 36 hours pretty [TS]

  heavily I you know a lot of people are criticizing me for reviewing it after [TS]

  only having it for a day and a half and and that's you know that's somewhat fair [TS]

  but I just really hated it so what did you hate I knew the keyboard was was [TS]

  gonna be weird that being said whatever happens in the Apple store I I think I [TS]

  saw it in person maybe three times before buying it every time I saw it I [TS]

  would I would go to an open up the notes happened to start typing something long [TS]

  can I get used to this keyboard every time I go I was getting better at it and [TS]

  I are realizing you know [TS]

  actually this is finally get out I can type I don't like typing on it that much [TS]

  but I can do it so I can probably get used to it is probably gonna be fine and [TS]

  I got it and I got home I started typing on as I was setting it up and I [TS]

  installed on iChat absence I can be typing or installed / Twitter and then I [TS]

  i hope i install gmail has responded to my email and so I did a lot of typing on [TS]

  it and i got really fast with it its speed was not an issue at all I was an [TS]

  accuracy wasn't that bad either [TS]

  my big problem the keyboard is that it doesn't feel good and and actually it's [TS]

  me it actually feels bad and and you know i i guess i want to be careful here [TS]

  do not like to not say that people who think differently are just wrong and [TS]

  stupid this is this is my opinion of course but I really don't like the key [TS]

  switch feel part of it is the short travel of the keys which ever one site [TS]

  says yes they're very shallow that'll push down very far but also for me part [TS]

  of it was the way they click down it is like a case which is kind of a soft [TS]

  actuation on a regular keyboard these are there they're like tiny little like [TS]

  hard like dimple buttons like it clicks like bubble wrap its like this like a [TS]

  snap when you push it in and it doesn't it it feels like buttons it doesn't feel [TS]

  like keys if I make sense it also knows your did you say that you're you're [TS]

  somebody else it I think it is it sounds different [TS]

  I would say it's noisier the trackpad is little bit quieter [TS]

  latter tickets and what you're doing but it had a weird sound and I could [TS]

  definitely see other people in the room being annoyed by it if I were to use it [TS]

  in a workplace that was not full of the same computer yeah it is it is we are [TS]

  it's clicky but not in a good clicky keyboard way it's just a very strange [TS]

  keyboard I also did not as a missionary I didn't care for the trackpad the first [TS]

  extract that we hold on before before you get to the track that can you just [TS]

  remind everyone what is the keyboard you're used to using say with your five [TS]

  chaos [TS]

  the keyboard are used is on a regular basis is the Microsoft sculpt ergo [TS]

  economic error ergonomic [TS]

  the sculptor economic desktop keyboard and it has like four words one of them [TS]

  assault on the economic but this is not a traditional like clicky clicky [TS]

  keyboard like a lot of popular Apple people use no I i've tried those in the [TS]

  past I I have no I have not found an ergonomic one of those that fit me very [TS]

  well that the one they're very few economic mechanical keyboards the one [TS]

  that was my favor was the Matias Matias GoPro I did a review my site a couple [TS]

  months ago and that came out that was my favorite one of the mechanical ones but [TS]

  the the sculptor go for Microsoft's fits the curvature of it just is more [TS]

  comfortable for me so I stuck with it it has Suzuki's like laptop keyboard like [TS]

  it has you know like it like a there there's shallow but not that shallow [TS]

  then they have a decision mechanism of them so they kinda squished down its on [TS]

  a keyboard but it's fine I i like it alot but more importantly you like the [TS]

  keyboard on your fifteen it yet and you looked at the keyboard Appleton using [TS]

  laptops forever I mean even before this that the g4 keyboard that the data [TS]

  that's where I started my Mac life and I love that keyboard to its fine and the [TS]

  current the current keyboards that are on every Mac laptop except for the [TS]

  MacBook 10 I think they're great I've never had any problem with them they're [TS]

  you know they're not like I don't type on this and say this is the best [TS]

  keyboard ever abused but I also don't think about it cause it's just good like [TS]

  it it is completely forgot about the best ways they're just good key ports [TS]

  and until use a bad keyboard not really appreciate the help [TS]

  think that if you use this keyboard for a longer period of time you just would [TS]

  have accepted this in the same way that you accept the inferior here Microsoft [TS]

  sculpt keyboard but otherwise like you just get used to it like a ball the [TS]

  laptop keyboards were like this and you had no choice and used it for like a [TS]

  year which eventually settle into the same compromise where it's like well I [TS]

  prefer my desktop keyboard obviously the better but these are fine I'm sure I [TS]

  could a bunch of my friends have these computers and love them and I have some [TS]

  questions here and there on Twitter and privately everything [TS]

  and somebody said I think it was Paul Haddad teapot it's a perfectly fine [TS]

  keyboard once you get used to it if you'd never use any other key players it [TS]

  is such a different feel from other keyboards that it is very strange to [TS]

  transition between even though I have no trouble choosing between my split [TS]

  ergonomic keyboard on my desktop and the street keyboard on my laptop I have no [TS]

  trouble like I've never had an issue getting used to one of the other [TS]

  transitioning even though they're they're physically very differently [TS]

  spaced apart very different keys etc with the MacBook 1 it is such a [TS]

  different feel and you have to press down with so little depth but still this [TS]

  is still a force like this permit problem with it [TS]

  ergonomic keyboards are are designed that they're really good ergonomic [TS]

  keyboard like him can he says they're designed very carefully to modulate the [TS]

  amount of force that you need to push a key towns that you're not pushing too [TS]

  hard if you if you have to push too hard or if you have to push hard enough of [TS]

  that after it is actuated you're still a bottoming out like you're you're still [TS]

  slinging the key into the floor of the keyboard further than you have to [TS]

  actuate the keypress those are all bad for our aside organics those all really [TS]

  exacerbate things like carpal tunnel syndrome in various there are as I think [TS]

  they they really are not good and so these keyboards designed very carefully [TS]

  such that they they match the level of pressure required to the press icky and [TS]

  how far it needs to be depressed with the way people's fingers work in the way [TS]

  people tight and how your fingers are all different strains your outer fingers [TS]

  at your pinky ring finger [TS]

  those are weaker than your index finger and so like the really confuses [TS]

  actually have different key presses different keep US forces rather on [TS]

  different key depending on which of your fingers are intended to hit them so the [TS]

  keys in the middle be harder to press the ones towards the edges because then [TS]

  you know your week your fingers pressed the ones toward the edges so all this [TS]

  cares puts a keyboard designed for very good reasons because it really does [TS]

  matter really does make things feel better or be more or less problematic [TS]

  for RSI suffers and I do have my out our site problem [TS]

  I manage them by doing things like using a split keyboard not as bad as John but [TS]

  you know i i do I do need to avoid RSI problems and the MacBook keyboard the [TS]

  medic one keyboard it really I have concerns for economics for long-term use [TS]

  of it more so than the regular keyboards do you think you're saying you think it [TS]

  takes more pressure more force than the other than the nun MacBook 13 parts I [TS]

  think it does I don't have any more to do is have a test but I did someone I [TS]

  wish I had it and it it differently adamant the wind down is a different [TS]

  type of click force and different type of response not just being more shallow [TS]

  it is really a very different feel to the Cliq but I had some concerns using [TS]

  it about our side and and i was i was a little sore after I did a half using and [TS]

  that that's that's too early to say whether the keyboards fault whether [TS]

  because it was different you know that could go either way so I i'm not [TS]

  claiming that I had a problem from a keyboard necessarily but I do have [TS]

  concerns because it seems like the ergonomics of it are substantially worse [TS]

  in this one key way of the keep the pressure required to the press the keys [TS]

  and then trying to avoid the like slamming against the bottom of the [TS]

  bombing out of pushing it too far the wait is key to design this the shower [TS]

  travel makes it very hard not to bottom out like that but the key switch type [TS]

  where you have to press hard to get it to actuate makes it even harder to avoid [TS]

  bottoming out like that and especially on your less precise fingers one of the [TS]

  problems I had getting accurate with it was the key I most frequently mis-hit [TS]

  was delete because my pinky has to hit to leave my weakest fingers and so I [TS]

  would frequently go to go to hit Delete and not push hard enough and have to [TS]

  redo it again I would I would type of their day wasn't pushing hard enough to [TS]

  to actual to actuate the the faraway keys and eventually you know I got used [TS]

  to turn off today I was able to do that but it was it was never anywhere near as [TS]

  comfortable [TS]

  to use and I was always very frustrating to use as a result of that doesn't make [TS]

  sense [TS]

  ya think so now you're starting to talk about the the force touch trackpad the [TS]

  first touch trackpad is not as bad as the keyboard I really would prefer never [TS]

  to own a laptop with that keyboard if I had to own laptop with the first text [TS]

  trackpad I would deal with it you know they wouldn't be a massive problem using [TS]

  laptop but I would I would deal with it but I don't like it and if I would [TS]

  prefer not to have to deal with it possible the first time as I mentioned [TS]

  earlier like it is it is a very technical achievement but it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't feel too good button press it it feels like a worse trackpad in use it is [TS]

  it is a softer quieter click which is nice for noise reasons it is uniform [TS]

  across the entire surface as you mentioned because of the way it works [TS]

  rather than like that the older trackpad has a he's at the top and so the bottom [TS]

  of it pushes down the farthest you can have to look at the bottom to make to [TS]

  make the old style work where the first touch you can click anywhere on it and [TS]

  doesn't matter where you click and it does the same feedback regardless my [TS]

  problem is the old way of click of having click on the bottom that's fine [TS]

  that's what I've always done like before that when when there was the button only [TS]

  at the bottom two separate button with the old a track that's that's what we [TS]

  all got used to that's why that was designed that way [TS]

  was because you could basically just keep your fingers all the same spot into [TS]

  the same thing it would still work the first touch even though it is not [TS]

  uniform across the whole surface no part of this service feels as good as the [TS]

  bottom half of the old Jack that there's three different settings for how firm [TS]

  you have to press and then how much feedback you get as a result of that as [TS]

  I was pressing on it I didn't feel like I was pushing a button sometimes I never [TS]

  forgot that I was kind of mushy my finger against class again as I said [TS]

  earlier if you like 80% like a button but done but not like a button you know [TS]

  because it doesn't get all the way there may be to having that having at like [TS]

  deeper force click like the the third level click maybe that is going to be so [TS]

  compelling in time that I'll tolerated or maybe as I mentioned on Twitter like [TS]

  maybe [TS]

  I will just convert into a tap to click person we have never been I I tried it [TS]

  once experiment back in college and I tried once I i didnt like a light switch [TS]

  back but like I just don't like it simply that so so the MacBook one has a [TS]

  keyboard I really don't like a trackpad I i just normally don't like the problem [TS]

  is that all the things I would do want it would involve typing so I today I [TS]

  decided it was just not for me and I returned it I don't think I didn't she [TS]

  was making fun of me for even having gotten it I just feel like you know none [TS]

  if you gave us her two meters of people regular people going to the Apple store [TS]

  and not knowing that the abundant move down right or not realizing that he was [TS]

  different in a significant way and I'm wondering how noticeable are these [TS]

  differences to people to people for whom buying a new computer like that is [TS]

  expected to come with a host of minor differences in inconveniences I like my [TS]

  old screen better I like the way the old laptop of shape I like the old laptops [TS]

  car I don't like this keyboard like if you buy a new Mac every five years you [TS]

  are forced to deal with these things you know I like it when the track but had a [TS]

  button right you know because if you're if you're upgrading not very frequently [TS]

  every new Mac you buy it seems like has one of these things where you're not [TS]

  used to something that you touch the keyboard is different the trackpad is [TS]

  different the screen is different [TS]

  missing some ports it doesn't have an optical drive so on and so forth and yet [TS]

  people still continue to buy new computers just because that's like the [TS]

  price of doing things so I'm wondering would wouldn't even notice this keyboard [TS]

  is different would they accept that is as different as them upgrading my guess [TS]

  but we've had a long sort of run of trackpad and keyboard continuity so they [TS]

  had to be coming from you [TS]

  the error with the button on the trackpad or when he bought the business [TS]

  in forever plus or minus some flexibility in the the underpinnings [TS]

  that's why would we know some someone who cares less about these things and is [TS]

  as less picky frankly what they can be like yeah whatever its keyboard you know [TS]

  you can use the trackpad I didn't even notice anything different about whatever [TS]

  its fine and that's that's very possible I mean you know there there are [TS]

  certainly it is certainly valid to be skeptical are critical of my point of [TS]

  view here because you think that I just knew and that's that's I don't know what [TS]

  I can say is that in the last 10 34 years I have gone through periods where [TS]

  I have regularly used six different keyboards I have I have used five [TS]

  different desktop keyboards and and one keyboard on the laptop on fourth down [TS]

  laptops to have a change the keyboard a long time every time I've moved between [TS]

  two different keyboard there has been a very short period adjustment of few [TS]

  hours and then I'm fine and on this keyboard on an epic one keyboard after [TS]

  like an hour I was really fast and highly accurate on it and so i i think I [TS]

  was I was able to adjust to it quickly I didn't like it and none of the keyboard [TS]

  that I have used during this time I haven't thought that way about them like [TS]

  this was definitely the worst keyboard in my opinion is the worst I've ever [TS]

  used by I don't say that lightly used using keyboard and then I use a Dell [TS]

  keyboard work for a long time back in the first job and I really can't say [TS]

  this is the worst I've ever used I wanted to like it if it's not that I [TS]

  went into this hoping to trash apple and return laptop that is the lesson I [TS]

  really had convinced myself that it was going to work for me I really want like [TS]

  it because physically look at this machine you pick it up you close it up [TS]

  and you carry it you're like oh my god this is a great is amazing I wanted this [TS]

  to work so badly and I just couldn't i couldn't do it I really wanna go to [TS]

  store and try on a things cause I had a similar sort of even longer [TS]

  uniformity of keyboard experience I use the app extended to keep to keyboard [TS]

  from basically 1918 [TS]

  92308 transition to you a series of terrible Apple USB keyboards until I [TS]

  finally settled on the aluminum the current aluminum one that I have now [TS]

  that's been around for many years and I think maybe these key switches on the [TS]

  little ones aren't the same as their own laptops but they're very very similar if [TS]

  not identical and so there has been a surprising amount of continuity in [TS]

  recent history and for most of your Mac life of you know keyboard field and I [TS]

  exact keyboard mechanism for the past several years and I'm assuming they're [TS]

  not going to go to the super slim keyboard everywhere because it's so [TS]

  obviously a compromise with Dennis why in the world would they do that of [TS]

  course that flashbacks of why in the world today use the keyboard from the 12 [TS]

  inch PowerBook on the 17 inch PowerBook but anyway I'm assuming that they will [TS]

  not go to the super shallow travel keyboard and the the little bubble [TS]

  switch mechanism that goes with it a lot to us four star track pad of course we [TS]

  assume is going to be everywhere just gonna take that and you can deal with it [TS]

  I'm I'm not worried about the trackpad because I like a dog track pads and if I [TS]

  hate this one side of the more so what like it's got on a scale from 1 to 100 I [TS]

  like trackpads about a 5-3 whatever you know it's not a big difference but for [TS]

  the the keyboard I'm worried because I hate try I have laptops period I don't [TS]

  like their keyboards at all not to that because the key presses because I'm [TS]

  missing the keys on them and make them even worse like maybe I'll just switch [TS]

  to typing on my iPad with my Apple Bluetooth keyboard or something if I [TS]

  mean I do anyway you know when I was taking a deputy see I have a giant [TS]

  battleship notebook which I don't like or the little iPad I don't like typing [TS]

  in class even though I can kinda sorta do it you know it may be 18 but I also [TS]

  you know like the 11 inch air I would love to have a little air and like this [TS]

  is like a computer screen really small but type on it I really need to try one [TS]

  of these out and see exactly how crazy you are [TS]

  yeah I mean I I would please do I would love to hear your take on it just like I [TS]

  published this of course because I read something about Apple that was not [TS]

  entirely positive it spread all over the stupid rumor sites that the the [TS]

  sensational south today I don't know why I blog anymore these honestly like when [TS]

  somebody takes my article and put the sensational headline on it and rewrites [TS]

  it make a sound way worse than what it actually was [TS]

  that's the kind of the blog anymore well you know this if you want me to doctor I [TS]

  can word doctor this up to make it i mean this decision was just totally out [TS]

  of context I forget about them they're just gonna make stuff up whatever but [TS]

  for the other people getting you know like does does the the the wording have [TS]

  to do with other people getting up in arms about it making these vultures [TS]

  sites realize that this where there's smoke they can make fire by like setting [TS]

  things on fire and you know making things up I don't know what you said [TS]

  here as described in white on my keyboard but then the article you say it [TS]

  like you know until now Apple has never should be keyboard that it was less than [TS]

  great everything you said it's more or less subjective like you don't feel like [TS]

  it's Lindsay is not falling apart it's not missing your keystrokes right so [TS]

  when when you write about these things [TS]

  transitioning from here's why i cant stand this thing to this is this marks a [TS]

  decline in the quality of a component an Apple laptop that is that had previously [TS]

  been excellent throughout its history that's what I think it's people cranky [TS]

  and just have their way with a hard I think what we need to find out what we [TS]

  can only find out what time is whether Apple thinks this is really the best new [TS]

  keyboard and whether it whether it does go into products that don't need to be [TS]

  this then or whether it is only ever really in these like super thin lines of [TS]

  the laptops I like the idea of the fantasy idea that everyone thought of [TS]

  when they showed little video is to play a key cap that goes up and down straight [TS]

  kind of like you know mechanical and you had to put this is a key caps with a [TS]

  little you know if you look a little plastic bits under [TS]

  this is little bit and they do kind of like they do go off center and wall [TS]

  below but when you hit them right it would feel sturdy straight up straight [TS]

  down so take the more more sort of like less wobbly key counts but then give [TS]

  them more travel which I guess we mean you have to change the mechanism because [TS]

  it sounds like your biggest complaint about this is not even so much as travel [TS]

  but the mechanism that the lack of travel forces the key to have the little [TS]

  dome thing like I'm assuming that's the root of the the unpleasantness of the [TS]

  keyboard can you get the non wobbly benefits like the fact that it feels [TS]

  solid that it you know and the larger keys in the small gaps can you get that [TS]

  but also have good travel and a key switch maybe you can't like certainly [TS]

  these new MacBook Pro 15 inches are not a measure of whether Apple's gonna do [TS]

  this because we were just said they're they're just a stopgap solution and we [TS]

  have no idea what their grand plans are wsb seaport so we may have to wait a [TS]

  long time do we find out what does he think about this keyboard is confined to [TS]

  this little skinny laptop or is something like this can happen elsewhere [TS]

  at the very least it'll be interesting to see if they just make the key caps [TS]

  bigger and just use the same mechanisms I would expect the first major redesign [TS]

  to be next year when it comes out because introduces three new Porsche [TS]

  maybe that's making me maybe they have USB 3 ports for USB seaport then so I [TS]

  would expect the the first post MacBook major redesign of a new laptop to happen [TS]

  within the next 10 9 to 12 months you know whenever they actually can ship in [TS]

  the 13 15 retina MacBook Pro and that's what we see it so we'll we'll know in [TS]

  about a year you know we'll know whether this keyboard moves on to other things [TS]

  are stays here you know but I don't know if possible to use this kind of key [TS]

  switch design in a way that's good in a way of it in the way that you like [TS]

  that's what I'm getting like I did I don't know you're the first person I've [TS]

  heard that visceral negative reaction to this thing and [TS]

  my bet would be that most people are not in touch with these nuances of the [TS]

  hardware but we'll see [TS]

  well I would say mean Jason Snell's argument i think is very similar to mine [TS]

  i mean he he addressed the issue a little better than I did but his I i [TS]

  very much agree with him on the keyboard which is why he said something along the [TS]

  lines of I got used to it during the review and i cant a break with nothing [TS]

  but I hated every minute of it that is basically how I felt about it I could [TS]

  type on just fine i got really fast we quickly on it it wasn't that big of a [TS]

  deal to adjust but keep in mind for most people do their typing which is with [TS]

  their sons on a phone screen which is way worse than this keyboard player that [TS]

  is the common experience i'm just i'm wondering like what the tolerances this [TS]

  type of thing both because people are just so used to the new computer thereby [TS]

  being different and all sorts of weird way to get used to it and the idea that [TS]

  people seem generally not to be sensitive keyboard feel at all in my [TS]

  experience regular people who are not computer enthusiasts who don't read [TS]

  computer magazines are computer websites keep up with computing or whatever I [TS]

  mean like you said that they could delegate way he was as keyboards I feel [TS]

  like it's pushing something down into modeling clay latest holy she remember [TS]

  those things that mean that that's why I think of anything like the gateway and [TS]

  dell keyboard thing they just thought I'd rather use that and people just [TS]

  click away on them all day long in office and don't say a word is not even [TS]

  the thing that it occurs to them not saying that's the bar for Apple like [TS]

  they should find something that is good for people to enjoy things but I'm [TS]

  thinking what will make apple change because you know Apple not gonna say oh [TS]

  well some people don't like the keyboard feels let's make the next one player [TS]

  right because they're down to the down to the wire here they're down to either [TS]

  we don't put battery under keyboard which is gonna massively cut into our [TS]

  batteries base and basically untenable or we make the things they like their [TS]

  they have backed themselves into it then this corner here and so if they can't [TS]

  make this work it's going to take some significant feedback has got to be some [TS]

  backlash of bike ever has to be word on the street among like a USA Today [TS]

  article I don't buy the new MacBook keyboard sucks but I don't see that are [TS]

  coming anytime soon so far I feel like it would have been out there [TS]

  will wait and see what you're right about liking it back into the corner [TS]

  here what aggravates me about this is that they didn't need to like what what [TS]

  aggravates me most about this into the air hardware versus the MacBook one [TS]

  hardware proves that they could have done a retina MacBook one kind of [TS]

  computer they could have done that even at 2 pounds I think they could have they [TS]

  could have fit all this in but it would have to be a different shape and this is [TS]

  the only shape this case could possibly be sorry for anything else [TS]

  11 shares the same shape bigger like not exactly maybe you had 1,000,000 units [TS]

  machine this is the product Apple envisioned accept their mission won't [TS]

  you accepted there's no room for anything else this is the problem like [TS]

  they they made this giant compromise on this keyboard and time will tell whether [TS]

  whether whether it's clear that Apple thinks the compromise or whether they [TS]

  actually commit themselves better I don't know I mean this is your keys that [TS]

  you like the ones on your toes were also a compromise from the old style keep you [TS]

  know because they have been gradually saying well you know how much can be [TS]

  shave off a lot that I've got a Mac portable upstairs to his keys like that [TS]

  you see again I delegate week like huge vertical like old-school desktop keys [TS]

  the life of laptop keyboards has been a gradual thinning of them how much they [TS]

  can make it how much energy so the one that you like is itself if in this if [TS]

  you wanna call compromise or advanced than this advanced over the previous [TS]

  image that advance of the previous winners advance of the previous one and [TS]

  they change mechanisms are things going from plenty of things to Suzuki is going [TS]

  from cities two domes which is I don't think this this advancement is that much [TS]

  out of step with all the previous advancements but if you had been around [TS]

  for the transition to see their switches from pleasure switches you probably [TS]

  would have felt the same way that like I can type fast on this is Richie boards [TS]

  but I hit every minute of it but I couldn't really all there is this is [TS]

  which is never just get used to it that's fair maybe that will happen here [TS]

  I don't know but it just it it kinda drives me nuts that they they they made [TS]

  a massive compromise on this keyboard that doesn't honestly look necessary [TS]

  well you'll be you'll be beggin for these domes which is when they go to a [TS]

  capacitive touchscreen for their keeper yeah definitely [TS]

  alright well thanks let's where three sponsors this week [TS]

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  they didn't even mean to be accidental accidental john Kasay [TS]

  it was shown to be a team Marco [TS]

  did you see what happened to tell us what happened [TS]

  web site go check it when you're a man of habit you sometimes forget to change [TS]

  your habits and sometimes you repeat habits you don't want to repeat so it [TS]

  just went for another swim I tried to tell you about the drink on a different [TS]

  level not just far away on the same table but under different physical level [TS]

  below water below [TS]

  computer above I don't have another level of put it on john was a stack and [TS]

  get a tray table you got upside-down garbage can maybe like maybe like one of [TS]

  those at one of those Camelback things with the tubes are you running times so [TS]

  angry at myself right now [TS]

  podcasting camel does that I I feel so bad laughing right now so seriously how [TS]

  long winded neutral starters January of [TS]

  so it's been two and a half years that every single time I record either of my [TS]

  two podcast I get my [TS]

  it's a beer glass base that's like a pint glasses someone that cold water and [TS]

  I stick it where my mouth goes as I don't use a mouse with a computer and I [TS]

  record my show on for two and a quarter years I never had an issue then I put a [TS]

  little bit of water on her computer and I told myself this will never happen [TS]

  again you will use a water bottle that if you spill nothing will come out like [TS]

  a sippy cup wouldn't know those things I can't live in front of me because that's [TS]

  the problem is I don't have it in front of me I can't the name of it but while [TS]

  he worked if you worked you would know what I'm talking about the case of the [TS]

  house because you never leave the house have no idea what I'm talking about and [TS]

  so I do have a house full sippy cups [TS]

  well that's true so it's like an adult sippy cup was just leave it at that [TS]

  it's not a Camelbak its I forget what the hell is called the housing bubble we [TS]

  both know but this is never late it has little like felt that flips up kind of [TS]

  like some child [TS]

  and it doesn't matter anyway here [TS]

  forget that that's the new routine and apparently my new routines to spill [TS]

  water on errands laptop so this time it went for a good swim and I immediately [TS]

  flipped upside down and everything was fine until I jostle the power cord then [TS]

  it turned off and it doesn't seem to want to turn back on its own juice so I [TS]

  think I've tried it it was just a plain old open today was just an open cup [TS]

  that's why you're probably won't back down [TS]

  yes and I've been doing well with using a water bottle but because I'm an idiot [TS]

  I seriously I'm so programmed by routine that I just got my normal glass of water [TS]

  like I always do or did I feel so now you didn't like it I thought your move [TS]

  would be nothing unusual move now you know what that upside down but would you [TS]

  also have you also not been yanking out the power cord at the same time are you [TS]

  not last time because the podcast was my priority so I left it running you have a [TS]

  full battery with your podcasting and put your computer I mean like once the [TS]

  water spills on the move would be flipped over hang out with able auto [TS]

  everything was left plugged in because the podcast is a priority [TS]

  podcast will try to say this is the podcast fault no its not the don't [TS]

  follow up in this case I'm not blaming Pakistan cleaning my own it really is [TS]

  dead and injured suffering and wondering when it when some bit of corrosion that [TS]

  was over lining rather than like a long drawn-out [TS]

  period where you're nervous about is it gonna you know this is just like the [TS]

  quick comeback you know around here I have a screwdriver that's like a double [TS]

  here it is it's a doubles your screwdriver that of course isn't the [TS]

  right size for these screws because they're so God microscopic that I can't [TS]

  get it open so I was trying to pull the bottom cover but I'm afraid I'm gonna [TS]

  stripped screws [TS]

  just happened it hasn't you can try to get the water had dried out maybe we'll [TS]

  start back up again who knows I did the problem is like it no one to be angry at [TS]

  myself I'm not I wasn't trying to blame the podcast I have no one to be angry at [TS]

  me know it but myself i mean i i dont you probably really particularly [TS]

  frustrated right now is that that's like I always feel the worst when i screw [TS]

  something I know it's totally my fault and it's just so like embarrassing and [TS]

  frustrating that like it's just me I just screwed up like that that's the [TS]

  thing is it's it's it's my own fault you think of it this way like the thing I've [TS]

  noticed that people with expensive Apple hardware is a surprising number of [TS]

  people break them by dropping them under hard services including laptops not just [TS]

  owns an iPad the laptops to the number of laptop sightseeing with very large [TS]

  dense and them are shattered screens from being dropped on the armed services [TS]

  is surprisingly so if this year avoiding that one water spillage I did you don't [TS]

  see those who is not as visible as they take up the computer doesn't but I see [TS]

  lots of people dropping their things and you know the soldiers argues for the [TS]

  next materials revolution in Apple laptops like so long time they were like [TS]

  everything else works like a metal frame with plastic coming outside and then [TS]

  there was a good transition with the titanium everything about this sold on [TS]

  glass and aluminum machined aluminum right there will be another materials [TS]

  revolution sometime in our lifetime they'll make these things more durable [TS]

  two drops and hopefully more water resistant frustrating thing is it's not [TS]

  like my old ThinkPad which I could like you know puff air into it and kind of [TS]

  try to blow the thing out but this [TS]

  I don't think that would help as I think you mean you don't know are you blind [TS]

  little water droplets towards the part they're going to damage or away from the [TS]

  part that there really damaging don't wouldn't suggest that move there's also [TS]

  no light so I can't even tell what's happening all the reasons I love my max [TS]

  now heating if I hate everything except you guys alright so we're gonna fix [TS]

  problem you're gonna get a new computer and then we're going to tell you about [TS]

  these awesome policies a lot of homeowners insurance accident damage [TS]

  coverage for things like computers will help the insurance adjuster doesn't [TS]

  listen to the program assesses risk yeah seriously i mean you can look at a [TS]

  rather than being so hard on yourself for this moment look at it instead as [TS]

  you've recorded like a hundred and twenty podcast hundred and thirty [TS]

  podcast episodes and water during two of them also also the number of your [TS]

  belongings that you care about the Declan will destroy will plug it back [TS]

  into power in trying to turn the thing on is not helping either wait wait wait [TS]

  wait hold on hold on I see an apple logo you may have you may not have an undead [TS]

  computer magazines on the computer at this point the same thing is I was [TS]

  really going to tell you like beg you to call this out of the show but now if [TS]

  this actually comes back to life even momentarily this may be worth leaving in [TS]

  its worth it back on its back on its back on him again but but when you type [TS]

  your fingers get wet but I mean first of all you should probably turn it off but [TS]

  the problem is that the battery is always connected on these like you have [TS]

  to disassemble it to take to disconnect the battery so it's kind of always [TS]

  powered to some degree turn it back off but that there's hope now in with the [TS]

  last bill when we got everyone's weird recommendation to say last bill is not [TS]

  mad at you I'm just saying it's we have to now specify which friend spill it is [TS]

  but anyway for the last bill did you learn any techniques or tricks that you [TS]

  can use now [TS]

  you did already I don't know why I heard all the wives tales and husbands tales [TS]

  about how to get stuff out and so on and so forth and really the reality of the [TS]

  situation was I was just very lucky I know this probably sounds like crap [TS]

  cause I keep trying to look at this thing and try to salvage its iPod and [TS]

  not practicing good microphone technique but anyway so yes I know we do and I'm [TS]

  gonna be talking about it in the future problems are you gotta leave it did you [TS]

  know you can play like a friggin harmonica do you think it's also a [TS]

  keyboard not not a bad keyboard but I think I would rather use that keyboard [TS]

  wet the only thing I've got it when I T things going for me 1 I'm not drinking [TS]

  which is probably good because then it's just doubling down on the ineptitude we [TS]

  were you drinking last time now [TS]

  no actually I wasn't maybe this is the problem with that is the issue but now [TS]

  I'm not drinking which means it's it's only single [TS]

  a single level of ineptitude however repeated the funding as if you were [TS]

  drinking like a highly distilled alcoholic spirits by a few plus that [TS]

  means yes it would evaporate a lot faster and there'll be less stuff in it [TS]

  that is a good point actually just evaporated instantly now I that's why I [TS]

  was gonna say it wasn't like a a sprite or anything like that so at least I [TS]

  won't be sticky 1388 you guys so either way so you know if you if this doesn't [TS]

  make it then you know John wins then you know then you you least like Italy's be [TS]

  over if it does make it it'll be really impressive either way the show which is [TS]

  unfortunately either way I think you lose it [TS]

  Aaron losses and we just got an email recommending the the depot repair that [TS]

  Marco just did his thing that apparently the covers water damage as well if you [TS]

  just want to throw it to the mercies of the depot repair and paid in three [TS]

  hundred bucks [TS]

  well that's the thing though that's what we talked about a few episodes ago is [TS]

  that I've heard the depot repair is free if you are nice to the genius of her [TS]

  tits $300 I've heard it's $800 I've heard I think once or twice it was over [TS]

  a thousand I kid you not I have probably heard 10 to 20 responses to how much [TS]

  depot repair is in up those 10 to 20 responses I would say I've heard five or [TS]

  six different answers but we don't you find out the price before you send it [TS]

  down there now [TS]

  well yes yes for the deep enough for all repairs to the depot repair yes it's a [TS]

  flat rate repair depot repair is literally like you give them X dollars [TS]

  whatever it is for that model and and then they replace anything in there that [TS]

  fails testing this is a problem you have first of all is what they get it [TS]

  anywhere in the testimony of God that would be kinda funny it would be [TS]

  terrible but it would be kinda funny from what I've heard there is a separate [TS]

  type of repair for water damage where they basically replace the entire Gordon [TS]

  everything inside that is a lot more expensive that thought I think somebody [TS]

  told me with 944 that model that you have so it's that's the one that's [TS]

  really not worth doing in most cases you know what maybe I know what I probably [TS]

  should do if I'm really honest is I should just spend $1,000 $1,100 whatever [TS]

  it was in get Aaron her own freaking MacBook Air and then leave this one if [TS]

  it still works as need all my god when is it going to die you but you did this [TS]

  to yourself [TS]

  podcasting computer it it kind of the worst podcasting if you like the last [TS]

  thing you want for podcasting computer is something unreliable something that [TS]

  that is very unreliable potentially and also that [TS]

  I am so angry at myself right now well hey you know if you get the MacBook one [TS]

  it wouldn't have a fan so that would solve the problem of your other computer [TS]

  in that's true but I mean obviously the funny thing is I actually am due for a [TS]

  new computer both at work and at home I mean leaving aside the MacBook Air I [TS]

  should take my room is my office is such a mess but I should I was going to say [TS]

  should take a picture of the puddle of water that's adjacent to where the [TS]

  computer sets that was other debris from this village because it's it's a [TS]

  significant puddle and maybe you could sign the computer and auction it off [TS]

  yes seriously fan art from the show an artifact such an idyllic I made it [TS]

  happen but just like you said Michael I'm more than anything I'm mad that I [TS]

  didn't learn from my last mistake and such an idiot you're 50 mean things up [TS]

  in life sometimes it's reality that's that's a human being I mean look you [TS]

  have a kid now that you have no idea how many scripts are ahead of you [TS]

  drinks at the table to start counting them up into you just my kids are still [TS]

  spilling double-digit age is 31 injuring no use crying over spilled milk all [TS]

  spilled water it happens you know that's life at this stuff happens maybe maybe [TS]

  it's some kind of sign forms of spirit that just really hate MacBook Airs maybe [TS]

  or delete that one could give accurate current MacBook Air now after doing this [TS]

  twice did it removes all doubt that in at least this way I am the idiot of the [TS]

  three of us and that's also deeply frustrated I'll come on no it doesn't [TS]

  perhaps the least coordinated going to say it has nothing to do with [TS]

  intelligence maybe control of their limbs [TS]

  intelligence otherwise they would make like you know the world's greatest [TS]

  athletes the world's smartest people [TS]

  I just bought a whole computer wrong thing to do though that is that is just [TS]

  the thing you do [TS]