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0:00:07From Relay, this is Connected, episode 520.
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0:00:16I am the returning Ricky Benchman, Mike Curley.
0:00:22And I would like to introduce you to Federico Vatici.
0:00:24Hi Federico. - I don't know, you could have gone longer.
0:00:27Okay, Ricky Benchman! [singing]
0:00:34He's struggling, he's struggling. [singing]
0:00:42[laughing]
0:00:44I'm in the hotel room, man. What do they think is going on in here?
0:00:47Impressive vocal cord skills. - Thank you, thank you.
0:00:51I'm gonna go pass out now. [laughing]
0:00:53I wanted to ask you, how's your throat doing? - Fine.
0:00:58Fine, okay, cool. - In general, doing fine.
0:01:02Less now, probably, but fine before. - That's why you are a professional podcaster.
0:01:06Thank you so much, I can hold a note.
0:01:09We're also joined by Stephen. Hello, Stephen Hackett, how are you?
0:01:12I'm good, how are you? - I suppose that your vocal cords,
0:01:15you know, given everything, are not as impressive as Mike's?
0:01:19No, I'm teetering on the edge of like, I got a bunch of water here.
0:01:23Let's just say that. - What is everything?
0:01:26Well, you know, the pro show. - Ohh.
0:01:29You know, Stephen, come on, you know the context.
0:01:35Vocal cords are barely staying attached together at this point, right?
0:01:40Just like the rest of him, you know?
0:01:42Just like this. [laughing]
0:01:47That wasn't fair, but you know, you are old, so.
0:01:51Yeah. - It's true.
0:01:54Hey, guess what? - Yeah.
0:01:56What? - Guess what?
0:01:57What? - It's still September.
0:01:59Hey! - Ahh.
0:02:01You were just here in Memphis. - I was, yeah.
0:02:03And we hosted the podcast-a-thon for 12 hours on Friday.
0:02:08If you have not seen that, there's a link in the show notes to a YouTube video that,
0:02:12you know, just call in sick tomorrow and watch it, that's what I say.
0:02:15You could do that. - Or, you know, slowly, in chunks.
0:02:19Or wait 'til the weekend. - Yeah, wait 'til the weekend.
0:02:22But we are still raising money for St. Jude all month long.
0:02:25As of me talking right now, we're at $852,000 for St. Jude on the month.
0:02:32Let's go. - I know.
0:02:34It's unbelievable. - That's incredible.
0:02:36What was our previous record? - $776,000.
0:02:40So we're like nearly a hundred grand over that. - Mm-hmm.
0:02:43And we're staring, you know, like in a staring contest, kind of staring at $900. - I know.
0:02:50I feel like we're just staring at it.
0:02:52Connected listeners, stjude.org/relay, go type that in your browser, make a donation.
0:02:58Any size donation is helpful.
0:02:59It takes all of us to advance this mission.
0:03:03So what does St. Jude do?
0:03:04St. Jude is in the business of saving kids' lives.
0:03:08They believe that no child should die at the dawn of life from cancer or other catastrophic disease.
0:03:13And they have implemented a massive number of them, some of the smartest people on the planet to beat this thing.
0:03:21Mike and I have been fortunate to meet different researchers and doctors over the years.
0:03:25And to a person, not only are they way smarter than Mike and I, but they are all, to a person, committed to this no matter what.
0:03:32They are doing their life's work at St. Jude.
0:03:36And I don't want to paint the picture that St. Jude is just like this cold research institution because it's not.
0:03:40Research and clinical care go hand in hand at St. Jude.
0:03:44They are working on these cures for actual patients and not just the patients here in Memphis, but patients all around the world through St. Jude Global.
0:03:53One thing we talked about during the podcastathon was like the St. Jude is unhappy that there are kids around the world who don't have access to things like chemotherapy.
0:04:03And they are hard at work to change that, to get these medications and these protocols implemented around the world.
0:04:10It's absolutely incredible and it's all possible because of people like me and you who donate what we can.
0:04:17So go to stjude.org/relay.
0:04:20We're already in what I've been calling uncharted territories in all capital letters as I text it around to people.
0:04:26But we want to keep going. We have the rest of the month, so please go give now.
0:04:30Yeah, stjude.org/relay.
0:04:33A little P.S. for you, Mike.
0:04:35Please.
0:04:36A lot of people who have given probably have jobs and a lot of companies have matching, like a matching donation program.
0:04:45So if you're in a company, go ask HR or somebody in, you know, in the company somewhere.
0:04:52Ask the person that sits next to you. Maybe they know.
0:04:55Maybe they know.
0:04:56Maybe they know.
0:04:57Just turn around right now and say to the person next to you, do they do, just say they, do they do corporate matching?
0:05:06And just see what they say.
0:05:07Do what they say.
0:05:08So stjude.org/relay has a lot of information about that, but that's a great way for your money to go even further.
0:05:13So if you've already given or if you're still planning to give, look into that.
0:05:17A lot of companies offer this and basically you're, you know, sometimes doubling your money without any extra work.
0:05:23So go check that out, too.
0:05:26Follow up.
0:05:28Follow up.
0:05:29Follow up.
0:05:30Andra wrote in.
0:05:31Follow up.
0:05:33Oh my God.
0:05:35Andra wrote in during the introduction at the beginning of each episode,
0:05:42the host that is not currently holding any chairmanship should be addressed as Mr to rub it in a bit more.
0:05:49And of course, this should only be applicable when introduced by others, not by themselves.
0:05:55So what I think we should do is we should try this on.
0:05:58So let's try the introduction again.
0:06:00And Mike, we'll use Mr and we'll see if that feels better or worse.
0:06:05All right.
0:06:07Hello, I'm the Ricky Benchman, Mike Hurley, and I would like to introduce Mr Federico Vittucci.
0:06:12Yeah, that works.
0:06:13I mean, it sounds fancy.
0:06:15In fact, I would argue I sound better than anybody.
0:06:18Yeah, I don't think that's doing what it's supposed to do.
0:06:21Yeah.
0:06:21You're doing me a favor.
0:06:23Yeah, it feels like I'm giving him a title and the title is Mr.
0:06:27Federico, introduce me as doctor.
0:06:29Let's see how that sounds.
0:06:31And we're also joined by Dr. Steven Hackett.
0:06:33Oh, hello, boys.
0:06:36Okay.
0:06:37Boys, that's good.
0:06:39I like that a lot.
0:06:39But that's not what you get.
0:06:40You don't get that.
0:06:41You got to win that.
0:06:42You got to win a doctorate.
0:06:43All right.
0:06:44That's how it works.
0:06:44Hey, you got to win that.
0:06:46Okay.
0:06:46Well, I'm just speaking to my old journalism professors.
0:06:51Hey, University of Memphis.
0:06:53I would like to be an honorary doctorate in journalism.
0:06:58Please can't touch Steven.
0:06:59I really doubt if him.
0:07:01Okay.
0:07:02I've said this before.
0:07:03I think on this show that I do believe you should be given
0:07:06an honorary doctorate from the University of Memphis.
0:07:09Yeah, come on.
0:07:10Surely you are the most popular person who's ever come from Memphis.
0:07:14I don't think there's anybody else.
0:07:16But I mean, there was that guy, the singer, right?
0:07:18No, Steven is more popular than him.
0:07:21Also, Steven is alive.
0:07:22So, you know, they're sad.
0:07:23So is he.
0:07:25Well played, well played, well played.
0:07:35That was good.
0:07:36Yes.
0:07:37Where is he?
0:07:37Do you think he's just hanging out?
0:07:39So, Andra, thank you for your suggestion.
0:07:42I think we're going to skip it.
0:07:43Um, but Andra did close their message saying, hope somebody
0:07:46makes your day the way you do for us.
0:07:48And that, that felt pretty good.
0:07:49Oh, it's nice.
0:07:50You know what, though?
0:07:51This makes my day though.
0:07:52So it does.
0:07:53You know, I don't think that's possible, though.
0:07:56I don't think anybody can make my day the way we make other people's day.
0:07:59Oh, OK.
0:08:01That's a different energy than the one I took, but I appreciate it anyway.
0:08:05Well, anyway, our energy is about to be ruined anyway.
0:08:09It's all about to be destroyed.
0:08:10Green Gate, Green Gate, Green Gate.
0:08:13Why are we here again?
0:08:15Why are we here again?
0:08:16I'm sorry, because I played a role in this and I couldn't help myself.
0:08:20I don't know, I was browsing Reddit, as I do every night at the end of the work day.
0:08:26And I guess the algorithm got me because over the course of a few days, it suggested two
0:08:33posts from two different users with two types of green related display issues.
0:08:41You're green pilled.
0:08:43I have been green pilled against my will, I suppose.
0:08:48But yeah, Steven.
0:08:49I don't I don't want to get into this, but the second link is just it's an all green
0:08:54screen and the first comment is, is that a new MKBHD wallpaper?
0:08:59Damn.
0:09:00Pretty good.
0:09:05That's pretty good.
0:09:06I just saw the comment that is pretty good.
0:09:08That's pretty good.
0:09:10We'll just have these links in the show notes.
0:09:13You can go explore it if you want to.
0:09:15But Green Gate never dies.
0:09:18I have a question about this.
0:09:20That's not for you.
0:09:21Maybe you know, but I would love somebody to let us know.
0:09:24Why does this happen?
0:09:25Why is green the color?
0:09:27Why is green the color that these phones go when something goes wrong?
0:09:31Like is it something to do with the screen like the G and the RGB?
0:09:34Is it stronger or something like what is happening?
0:09:37Why is it always green?
0:09:39If anybody knows, connectconnect.com or Steven knows.
0:09:44I have a theory.
0:09:46So the OLED pixel arrangement that Apple uses is like a diamond layout and you have blue
0:09:53at the center and then red at the corners and green on the sides.
0:09:58And I think the way the green is like the green lines up vertically and the blue and
0:10:04red don't.
0:10:05They like pass through each other as you go.
0:10:07So I think if you're going to have a vertical line, chances are it's going to be green.
0:10:14Now I don't know one how you know that or if it's true, but I'm putting a link in Discord
0:10:20right now.
0:10:21Okay.
0:10:22But like that was just really, that was very impressive.
0:10:25If you looked up, if you looked this up, is that why?
0:10:27I remembered that the OLED layout was, was a diamond and then I Googled it real quick
0:10:32and discovered how it looks.
0:10:34Shines bright like a diamond or green, shines green like a diamond.
0:10:38I would like to give a public service announcement to listeners of this show because two or three
0:10:44days ago I remembered that you can use stickers as tap backs now because they're essentially
0:10:51emoji.
0:10:52So it is possible now in a group thread to have custom emoji.
0:10:56And what I think happens, correct me if I'm wrong on this, if in a group, if one person
0:11:02sends that sticker as a tap back, it then shows for other people in the frequently used
0:11:08ones.
0:11:09So they can use it as well.
0:11:10This is so good because you can make stickers of anything that you find and then you can
0:11:15use them as tap backs so you can essentially have your own custom emoji in your chats,
0:11:21which is wicked.
0:11:23I love it.
0:11:24And I haven't said wicked since 2004.
0:11:26Wicked.
0:11:27Wicked.
0:11:28It's wicked.
0:11:29There you go.
0:11:31Well, speaking of wicked, iOS 18.1 and macOS Sequoia 15.1, the current betas have enabled
0:11:42drag and drop when using the iPhone mirroring feature.
0:11:47Is it wicked?
0:11:48It's sick.
0:11:49It's wicked.
0:11:50Wicked sick.
0:11:51Wicked sick.
0:11:53This is cool.
0:11:54I've used the iPhone mirroring a few times because I installed Sonoma like a week or
0:12:00two ago or whenever it came out.
0:12:02I don't know.
0:12:03I genuinely don't know how long I've been away from home at this point.
0:12:06It feels like the longest trip I've ever taken, but I've found it really like today.
0:12:10I wanted to get something from my phone and my phone was charging on the other side of
0:12:15the hotel room and I just opened it up on my Mac instead.
0:12:18What a great feature.
0:12:19Just like a helpful little feature to have.
0:12:21Very happy about it.
0:12:22Maybe even better when I can drag and drop things.
0:12:26I've been using it a bunch and just today I needed an image off of it and iCloud photo
0:12:31library was like, just like, I don't know, there's no new photos here.
0:12:35Don't worry about me.
0:12:36And I was like, you know what?
0:12:37Come on.
0:12:38This would just be super simple.
0:12:39So it's great.
0:12:40And the iPhone mirroring feature is pretty awesome.
0:12:43We went into it in a lot of detail on this upcoming MPU about how it works and some of
0:12:48the security stuff.
0:12:49But I have, I've really, it's been integrated into kind of how I work really pretty quickly.
0:12:54Good.
0:12:55I look forward to hearing it.
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0:15:10So we have new iPhones, the three of us collectively, we all have new phones.
0:15:17Just as a recap, we went into this purchase season.
0:15:22Mike, you were going to get the 16 Pro, Steven and I were going to get the 16 Pro Max.
0:15:28We have had these phones for what, five days, I want to say.
0:15:34And I just kind of wanted to go around and collect some first impressions, some thoughts.
0:15:42And I wanted to start with Mike because it's been a lot, it's been what, a decade that
0:15:49you haven't-
0:15:50It's been a decade, yeah.
0:15:51It's been a decade, like exactly 10 years that you haven't used a smaller iPhone than
0:15:57the biggest model, right?
0:15:59So you're using a 16 Pro.
0:16:00How is it after 10 years of Plus/Max Club?
0:16:05Honestly, I really like it.
0:16:08I like it a lot.
0:16:11It feels, this is weird, I can't tell you why, but this feels like a toy to me.
0:16:23Being small is fun and like I'm using it differently.
0:16:27It feels great in my hand.
0:16:29It feels just like a great size.
0:16:33The only downside that I've had so far is typing with two thumbs is a little clumsy
0:16:40doing that because they're kind of like banging into each other a lot.
0:16:45But one handed, fantastic.
0:16:47I love it using the camera control because I can just very easily handle the phone in
0:16:52one hand, taking my photos, and I don't feel like I don't have enough space to do things.
0:17:00I feel like my text is too big, but I'm already on the lowest dynamic type.
0:17:05I also noticed that on Sylvia's 16 Pro, that it seems like the text is too big.
0:17:15And I don't know if maybe there's a different proportion between the smallest size on the
0:17:2016 Pro and the smallest size on the 16 Pro Max, but it's also something I noticed and
0:17:24I don't know how to explain it.
0:17:27So it's just weird.
0:17:28I don't know if it's like a scaling thing or whatever, like I don't know if the Pro
0:17:31Maxes have a different scaling.
0:17:33I know that was a thing with the Pluses at one point, but yeah, I'm loving it.
0:17:39I'm very happy with the decision.
0:17:40I feel like I made it at just the right time, right, because this is the biggest the small
0:17:44phone has ever been.
0:17:47And also, Jason had review units of everything, and I do think the Pro Max is maybe too big
0:17:54for me now.
0:17:55Like I think it is bigger than I want, like it feels kind of wild, and so I'm very happy
0:18:03with the decision that I've made.
0:18:05I think I've got a real nice sweet spot for what I'm looking for.
0:18:08Steven, how's the 16 Pro Max going?
0:18:12Yeah, I think I'd echo basically everything Mike said.
0:18:15I don't know, just clarification.
0:18:18Steven has a 16 Pro as well, not a Pro Max.
0:18:20Yeah.
0:18:21Oh, 16 Pro, not Pro Max.
0:18:22Okay.
0:18:23Yeah, I went down a size as well.
0:18:24I also have the desert color because I said I'd buy the brown one, and people reminded
0:18:29me of that.
0:18:31It's nice.
0:18:32I mean, I had a 15 Pro as a development phone over the summer, so I was familiar with the
0:18:38size, and it does take some getting used to, but it is remarkably more comfortable to like
0:18:49manhandle one-handed than the Pro Max, which I could do, but it was kind of at the edge
0:18:55of what I was comfortable with a lot of the time, and it takes up a lot less space like
0:19:00in your pocket, or you got to stuff it somewhere in your car when you're driving, that sort
0:19:04of thing.
0:19:05So all in all, I've been happy with it, and I think I'm just about used to the size compared
0:19:11to the bigger one.
0:19:12I think a few more days, and it's going to feel like this is just what iPhones are.
0:19:18So I got a 16 Pro Max, right?
0:19:21And I used it for a few days, and so I'll cut to the chase.
0:19:28Here we go.
0:19:29I decided to go with the 16 Plus.
0:19:31Oh.
0:19:32Yeah, yeah, I'm doing the thing.
0:19:35Oh.
0:19:36Yeah, yeah, I am not going to use the Pro anymore.
0:19:42Why?
0:19:43So a variety of reasons.
0:19:47Most of it comes down to the joy of the different texture and the different color of the 16
0:19:55Plus, but there are also other reasons.
0:19:57So like you, Mike, I felt that the 16 Pro Max has maybe gotten too big and heavy.
0:20:06Like there was a threshold for me, I guess, and I think that threshold was last year's
0:20:12size.
0:20:14Look, I love a big screen, but I feel like it's gotten past the tipping point for me,
0:20:23and also like the weight of it.
0:20:25I just had to check because in my mind I had just assumed the Plus was as big as the Pro
0:20:32Max, but it isn't.
0:20:33They diverged this year.
0:20:34So the Plus is the same size as last year's Pro Max, and this one has got bigger.
0:20:40Okay.
0:20:41And it's also 30 grams lighter, which may not seem like a big deal, but actually for
0:20:46a device that compact and dense, it is something that you can noticeably like feel.
0:20:52Oh, yeah.
0:20:53I mean, we had that last time, right, when they put the titanium in.
0:20:57It didn't seem like it would be a lot of weight, but in your hand, it made a significant difference.
0:21:04What color did you get?
0:21:06Ultramarine.
0:21:07Oh, sick.
0:21:08Good choice.
0:21:09So good.
0:21:10It's so good.
0:21:11No case.
0:21:12No case.
0:21:13Obviously.
0:21:14I mean, if you're going to get a phone that looks like this, why would you put a case
0:21:15on it?
0:21:16Exactly.
0:21:17I'll get to this in a minute.
0:21:18But there's the bigger conversation.
0:21:19There is also like something that we discussed a couple of weeks ago, that idea of now more
0:21:23than ever, it feels like some features of the pro phones are actually for pro photographers
0:21:30and video creators and the kind of category of user that I'm not.
0:21:36Now, the only way that this was possible for me to even consider was the fact that the
0:21:46action button and the camera control are on the base 16 models.
0:21:54Because I felt like without those two buttons, I wouldn't have been able to do it.
0:21:59Because I wanted to have those features and play around with them.
0:22:04Even just like from a pure, like, I want to have a complete version of iOS that has these
0:22:10two buttons.
0:22:11So the fact that the camera control and the action button are not exclusive to the pro,
0:22:16that was a big deciding factor for me.
0:22:20Then like for a couple of days, I basically installed like my backup from the 16 Pro Max
0:22:26on the 16 Plus, and I used them side by side.
0:22:30And I noticed that I get more joy out of having this slightly smaller big phone and slightly
0:22:39lighter and very colorful iPhone.
0:22:46I get more joy out of that than I miss ProMotion always on display or the third lens in the
0:22:55back.
0:22:57I would say that the thing I'm going to miss most is the 5X lens.
0:23:03I've never been like that huge on always on after all.
0:23:10I've used this phone for a while and it's fine.
0:23:13I can live without it.
0:23:16I always wear an Apple Watch, I always have a way to tell the time, important notifications,
0:23:21they will always get delivered to my Apple Watch anyway.
0:23:24So I've never been a huge fan of always on widgets on the lock screen, like I have pretty
0:23:31basic stuff there so it's fine.
0:23:34And yeah, so basically the combination of it being in slightly smaller and in line with
0:23:40last year, being lighter, being colorful, it's more fun.
0:23:46And I think there's something about the fact that a lot of those Pro features on the phone,
0:23:51I don't really need like 4K at 120, I'm never going to use that, like never really.
0:23:59And I just prefer having a big phone that is more portable, that is more fun.
0:24:05I love the aluminum texture, like I actually prefer the texture to the titanium personally.
0:24:13And yeah, I don't know, there's something about it that makes me enjoy using the phone
0:24:21more, I guess.
0:24:23So I don't know.
0:24:26It's kind of unexpected, I think.
0:24:30Yeah, I'm going to be really interested to see how this goes for you over time, right?
0:24:35Like it's the same as me and the same as Stephen, like we're all making big changes this year
0:24:39and like they're fun and novel now because they're new and like how are we going to feel
0:24:44as time progresses?
0:24:46I think there's a part of me that is also getting ready for the fact that next year
0:24:53I know I will want to get the iPhone 17 Air or whatever, Slim, whatever it's going to
0:25:00be called.
0:25:01And so this idea of accepting that it's okay not to have the high-end, top-of-the-line
0:25:11Pro model, that it's okay for the kind of iPhone user that I am, and I've been thinking
0:25:16about this a lot.
0:25:19The computer that I consider my main computer, that I get my work done, where I need maximum
0:25:25power, high-end, is the iPad.
0:25:28And that's where I want to get an iPad Pro.
0:25:33My job depends on having that computer and I love using it.
0:25:38But just like when I used to be a Mac user, I was fine with the MacBook Air.
0:25:45I think I can be fine as an iPhone user not having the equivalent of a MacBook Pro.
0:25:53I can be fine just having a colorful iPhone that still is going to have an A18, it still
0:26:00has incredible specs, but being okay with the idea that I don't have to be a Pro user
0:26:08on the phone, I think that's been a big reveal for me over the past few days.
0:26:13It's interesting there is also a rumor that next year the ProMotion display is across
0:26:18the line.
0:26:19Exactly.
0:26:20Which, because of that new, weird model.
0:26:23To continue that analogy, I also accepted that I prefer using regular AirPods instead
0:26:30of AirPods Pro.
0:26:31And I feel like as a consequence of my job over the past few years, I've sort of conditioned
0:26:41myself into thinking, well, I'm an Apple blogger, I'm a podcaster, I do this for a living, I
0:26:47always need to get the best version of everything.
0:26:51But it turns out that sometimes maybe I was doing it more for the, this is going to sound
0:26:57stupid, but I'm going to say it, sometimes I was doing it more for the reputation rather
0:27:01than the actual enjoyment of the device.
0:27:03And it turns out I'm totally fine with the base AirPods and I'm totally fine with the
0:27:08base iPhone.
0:27:09No, I think you're not representing yourself fairly enough.
0:27:14I think you're doing your job, right?
0:27:17You're testing out all these things, which is what we're doing now too.
0:27:19No, but there is an element of, oh, surely you are going to get the Pro, right?
0:27:26Like there is an element of that.
0:27:27Yeah.
0:27:28Yeah.
0:27:29And it doesn't have to be true necessarily.
0:27:32True.
0:27:33Yeah.
0:27:34Yeah.
0:27:35Because what I'm saying is I'm doing the thing as a man of the people, I'm doing it.
0:27:42I'm using the base iPhone model and it's so fun and in a way missing the 5X camera.
0:27:51This is something that Brandon hinted on Mac stories with his blog post about this similar
0:27:57idea.
0:27:58He eventually, he ended up going iPhone 16 Pro.
0:28:02Yeah, that was so funny to me, which last episode, amazing episode, but that was so
0:28:07funny.
0:28:08He wrote that whole thing and then was like, ah, no, I like the gold one.
0:28:11But like this idea of like actually missing a camera can in a way sort of force you to
0:28:19be more creative with the limitations that you have.
0:28:23And I think it's something that I believe in.
0:28:26Like I've noticed already, like I only have the 1X and the cropped 2X, I guess, on this
0:28:34phone and I'm not going to get the same shots that I used to get before, but I can get a
0:28:39little creative.
0:28:40You know, maybe when I want to get close ups of my dogs, I'm going to actually physically
0:28:45get closer to my dogs to get a good picture.
0:28:48And it's fine.
0:28:49I don't know.
0:28:50It's different.
0:28:51It's a fun experiment.
0:28:52I love just looking at this phone because it's not boring.
0:28:55So yeah, there's a, my small surprise, I guess.
0:28:59Well, it's a plus surprise really.
0:29:02Yeah.
0:29:03You know, plus club lives again, right?
0:29:06It does.
0:29:07Oh yeah.
0:29:08That's good.
0:29:09I like that.
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0:30:41Are we controlling our cameras?
0:30:48Yes, kinda.
0:30:51I will echo something that Jason mentioned on upgrade.
0:30:58Great episode.
0:30:59Thank you.
0:31:00Actually both the last two episodes, both the anniversary one and the one about the
0:31:03iPhone first impressions, excellent episodes.
0:31:07Jason said something that the moment I heard it, I was like, yeah, that's it.
0:31:12That's how I feel.
0:31:13Like the touch bar vibes of the camera control.
0:31:18The moment he said it, I was like, yup, that's how I've been feeling.
0:31:23And I was lacking the words to express it, but this is how it makes me feel.
0:31:27Like it's, I love the button for launching the camera and taking a picture.
0:31:34I find everything else so fiddly and so over designed right now.
0:31:41I hope that this camera control gets a better treatment over the years, over the next few
0:31:48months ideally than the touch bar ever did.
0:31:51Well, I think it will because it's on the iPhone, right?
0:31:55So like that.
0:31:56Exactly.
0:31:57Yes.
0:31:58They're not, they're not going to leave it be.
0:31:59I will, I will echo the point that I made to Jason's point again, where I feel like
0:32:06it is fiddly, but it most unlike the touch bar, like the touch bar is always there, right?
0:32:13Like doing its thing is always there.
0:32:16The settings of the camera control.
0:32:18So like the light pressing and getting the settings and stuff, you very rarely need to
0:32:22go into them.
0:32:23And like for me, I have it set to allow me to change the camera that I'm using.
0:32:27And like for that alone, it is useful, but I do appreciate it is the fiddliest thing
0:32:35that I've used on an iPhone in a long time.
0:32:37Like I think that they do need to kind of tidy up the amount of effort required to move
0:32:43between options.
0:32:45I also think that there's just some labeling that I, that is confusing to me.
0:32:49Like I like the photographic styles thing in general, but like it's very confusing to
0:32:54me that the camera control has two separate options and the editing system doesn't like
0:32:59the camera control talks about tone as a specific thing that is separate to photographic styles.
0:33:04But if you look at photographic styles in the UI, tone is part of the style.
0:33:10So like that is like very confusing to me.
0:33:14Photographic styles in general is confusing.
0:33:17I love the feature, but the way that they are packaging it is peculiar.
0:33:22Like you can go into the settings of the camera app and you can like do this little wizard
0:33:27where it lets you pick a photographic style, but they only show you half of them, the undertones
0:33:32ones, rather than the, I think they're called mood.
0:33:35They don't show you those as options, which is like, so are they all photographic styles?
0:33:40Like why does some of them get shown in this area?
0:33:42It's confusing.
0:33:43A lot of this is fiddly and complicated.
0:33:48Maybe that's by design.
0:33:49I do think they could do work on all of these things to tighten them up, but I'm happy it's
0:33:54all there, but yeah, it could do some work.
0:33:57And I'm also intrigued Federico, like if third party apps that integrate camera control might
0:34:03do it in a way that feels better for you, which could be interesting.
0:34:06No, I mean, if you ask me, I think this button should be in iOS 19, this button should be
0:34:15repurposed for everything.
0:34:17Like don't just let me use it as a camera control, let me use it as a general control
0:34:22in all kinds of apps.
0:34:23Like I want to be able to use the "camera control" button in ivory.
0:34:29Like let me program this teeny tiny button that supports gestures in all kinds of apps.
0:34:36I think going forward, limiting this button to just camera stuff will be a mistake.
0:34:41I think there's a real opportunity here to turn this into the big brother to the action
0:34:49button in a way.
0:34:52But even if it stays limited to just camera control, I feel like Apple should go all the
0:34:59way and allow...
0:35:02There's a world in which I use camera control even just for exclusively camera stuff.
0:35:12If Apple would let me just, for example, assign shortcuts instead of navigating a menu in
0:35:21camera when you double click and then you got to scroll and the scrolling is weird and
0:35:25fiddly.
0:35:26Just personally, I would love to just say, OK, double click and I don't know, let me
0:35:31toggle between 1x and ultrawide.
0:35:34Like let me specifically assign things that I know I use on a regular basis because this
0:35:40entire menu and nested menu navigation is just weird and clumsy and I might as well
0:35:49use my finger, which is a more precise input method than carefully swiping on this thin
0:35:54strip of a button.
0:35:57So let me assign shortcuts to things that I frequently do in the camera.
0:36:01And then at that point we can have a conversation.
0:36:04And I want to use that version of camera control.
0:36:09But more broadly speaking, iOS 19 or iOS 20.
0:36:13And I cannot believe that I'm uttering these words like iOS 20.
0:36:17It sounds ridiculous.
0:36:20But here we are.
0:36:21It's in theory, it's only a couple of years away.
0:36:25And like this interface control system could be so much more.
0:36:31On a device where so far the only input method has been touch, I feel like there is a fascinating
0:36:38opportunity to use this element that can click and half click and scroll in a way that goes
0:36:45beyond camera.
0:36:46But for now, it's just camera.
0:36:48But even just for the camera stuff, I think it should be more customizable.
0:36:52So that's my take.
0:36:55I think it's just too fiddly.
0:36:56I mean, I wrote in my post event blog post that it felt overloaded and just like this
0:37:02little thing and there's swipes and there's taps and like the half click thing is really
0:37:08hard to do.
0:37:10It's very strange.
0:37:11I know you can change some of the accessibility stuff about the force needed.
0:37:16But it just feels like it's like Apple had a bunch of ideas and no one said no to any
0:37:21of them.
0:37:22And that's not great.
0:37:25Because I worry, like, I grew up at the heart of this.
0:37:30I love clicking it to open the camera and taking a picture.
0:37:33And yes, I almost wonder if that should have been the default.
0:37:38And then if Hey, if you want to turn on these other things, this is how you go do that.
0:37:43I worry that people are going to be confused.
0:37:46I mean, playing with it this weekend, I was like, I don't like I'm in a I'm in a mode.
0:37:51I don't know how to get out of it.
0:37:52Or like, I thought I was doing this and this other thing happened.
0:37:56I worry people are just going to bounce off of it.
0:37:58And it's not going to get the use that it that it could get if it were simpler.
0:38:02Hmm.
0:38:03Yeah, I have yet to meet in real life.
0:38:08Anybody that I show the 16 pro or the 16 plus two with camera control that understands how
0:38:13to navigate those extra options or gets the the full click and half press right within
0:38:22minutes.
0:38:23Like it's just I think it's also like Stephen said, it's a problem of default.
0:38:28And I feel like by default, it should have just been a shutter button and just, you know,
0:38:34and the nerds like us could have gone into settings and enabled the additional gestures.
0:38:38But having those enabled by default confuses the message and confuses confuses the interaction.
0:38:43Right.
0:38:44Because it makes it more difficult.
0:38:45And you're like, ah, what am I supposed to do here?
0:38:47Right.
0:38:48It's just you sold me this as a camera button, but it's now showing me all these actual things.
0:38:52And I don't know how to exit.
0:38:54And it's not as intuitive as, you know, arguably the dynamic island, because it's also like
0:38:59the menu in the camera is very tiny, right?
0:39:01You have in this vertical menu along the bezel, like it's not as big and chunky as the dynamic
0:39:06island.
0:39:07So yeah, I don't know if like I it's the kind of thing where you look at it in screenshots
0:39:13and you look at it in promo videos and it looks excellent.
0:39:16Like it makes a great visual impression.
0:39:21But in practice, I'm not even arguing about the placement of the button.
0:39:25Like I've seen people on threads, people on social in general, like it's too high or somebody
0:39:31say no, it's too low.
0:39:32Like I think the placement of the button is fine.
0:39:35I'm more concerned about the default interaction of it and all the other stuff I said about
0:39:41customization.
0:39:42Mm hmm.
0:39:43Yeah, I think with the placement, they were trying to split the difference between horizontal
0:39:47and vertical content capture.
0:39:49Yeah.
0:39:50Yeah.
0:39:51I don't know.
0:39:52I hope that I mean, there are signs of Apple iterating on this already, right?
0:39:58In 18.1, you're going to have more settings for, you know, actually disabling the light
0:40:04presses if you want to, you know, that's all that stuff is going to be available in accessibility.
0:40:09I have all that off.
0:40:10And so mine now is just open the camera and a shutter button.
0:40:14Same.
0:40:15And I love it.
0:40:16And I love it for that.
0:40:17Right.
0:40:18I just I just feel bad knowing that there's more that it could do, but I don't like it.
0:40:22It's my issue.
0:40:23Like I know that there's all the other the other half of that interaction that unfortunately
0:40:29right now it's not for me.
0:40:32I love it as a shutter button.
0:40:33I mean, I it the way this camera control has rewired my brain and my fingers in not reaching
0:40:41for the bottom of the lock screen anymore and not even swiping on the lock screen to
0:40:45open the camera, but just pressing the button is wild.
0:40:48And it happened in just a few days.
0:40:50So I love it as a shutter button, but it's everything else that.
0:40:54So and so.
0:40:56And also, there's going to be a selfie camera option in 18.1.
0:41:00I'm excited.
0:41:01Yeah, they are iterating on it and I hope they continue to do so.
0:41:06And well, also at some point, I don't know if it'll be 18.1, but they're doing the thing
0:41:10where you can set focus with the light press.
0:41:12That is also something I'm looking forward to.
0:41:15And yeah, hopefully, like I expect that at least in the iOS 18 cycle, we are going to
0:41:23get more options to say, OK, maybe if you double light press, you never get the menu
0:41:30again.
0:41:31You can just assign a specific function, which is what I want.
0:41:34It's a precedent for this, right?
0:41:36Remember all the changes and options they had for always on display after it launched?
0:41:41They kept coming up with new stuff.
0:41:42So yeah, I mean, I think I am I like it more than you guys do, or at least I'm willing
0:41:48to accept it more.
0:41:51But I think I agree that there should be more options and I'm happy with the ones that they're
0:41:55they're working on.
0:41:59Quick styles update.
0:42:00I want to know where you're all sitting with your photo styles.
0:42:03Federico, what are you doing?
0:42:05I am doing standard and tone between minus 0.5, 0.7 within that range.
0:42:14What is that?
0:42:15What is that benefiting for you?
0:42:16The tone change?
0:42:17I feel like it brings up the shadows a little bit more than the default.
0:42:22I have come to really dislike the default look of iPhone photos.
0:42:27And so it makes them it gives photos a little extra punch, you know, that they that a little
0:42:33more contrasty, but not too much, because I also don't like, you know, I don't like
0:42:37I've seen like people going full, full like negative tone to really bring up the I don't
0:42:44like that look, but just somewhere half, you know, in between.
0:42:49That makes me appreciate the look of my photos a bit more.
0:42:53They're less flat is what I'm trying to say.
0:42:56Steven, what about you?
0:42:58I've been playing with the neutral photographic style.
0:43:03Okay, just the one out of the box.
0:43:05I haven't tinkered with it any more than that.
0:43:08And I like it, it may be a touch cool for me, I feel like it does a good job with the
0:43:12shadows.
0:43:13But maybe I could do that with standard and like Federico said, bring the tone down.
0:43:18So I feel very much like I'm still experimenting.
0:43:22And and that's cool, because these things are editable.
0:43:25So if I feel like if I oh, I really messed this up, it's not the end of the world, which
0:43:29is which is nice.
0:43:30Yeah, I've I was using vibrant, I've now settled on gold.
0:43:35I just think in general, that does a good job of bringing the warmth into images, which
0:43:40I really enjoy.
0:43:42And I'm still tinkering too.
0:43:43And I love that this is essentially like a very simplified version of quite a complex
0:43:49photo editing system that they've built.
0:43:52Like I think photographic styles as they are now is one of the most important things Apple
0:43:58has done on the iPhone in a very long time, because they are addressing something like
0:44:04a general feeling that people have, in a way that does not mean that they have to make
0:44:11any particular statement about how images should look.
0:44:14It's it's the most elegant, yes, well designed rendition of, I don't know, man, you do it.
0:44:21Yeah, that Apple could make.
0:44:23And like, actually, you can compare this, I think, quite nicely to the camera control,
0:44:29where, as I said, I have some issues around some of the labeling of photographic styles,
0:44:34but like the general way that you manage and deal with the photos once you're taking them,
0:44:38it's incredible.
0:44:39Like, the little touchpad that they have essentially to change the way an image looks is just fantastic.
0:44:46Again, I would like to be able to save things, like the settings that I have, like save them
0:44:51as kind of recipes and label them and I actually do believe that they will do that because
0:44:57the old version of photographic styles kind of let you do that.
0:45:01Like once you set something, it saved it as like a new version of it.
0:45:04But yeah, I think this is truly fantastic and is going to, in general, I think really
0:45:11change people's opinion of the iPhone camera, which I think is only a good thing.
0:45:18Now hear me out, OK.
0:45:22Photographic styles, presets, as you mentioned, tied to focus mods.
0:45:33So when you're at work and you take your pictures, they look pretty standard, but then when you're
0:45:37home and now your pictures are a rose gold, now they got some water in it because you
0:45:42like being there.
0:45:43Yeah.
0:45:44Or like you go to your parents' house and it's black and white because they're old,
0:45:47you know?
0:45:48Yeah.
0:45:49Yeah.
0:45:50I like it.
0:45:51Anything else camera-wise?
0:45:52No, I don't think so.
0:45:54Yeah.
0:45:55Yeah.
0:45:56I think all the camera stuff is good and I like in particular the much better ultrawide
0:46:04going to that 48 megapixel sensor.
0:46:06I feel like the...
0:46:07Which I don't have anymore.
0:46:08Which you don't have anymore, but you do have us do.
0:46:12You'll get it.
0:46:13You'll get it in a couple of years, I'm sure.
0:46:14Yeah.
0:46:15But it's nice when you do like the punch in for macro mode, it looks, it looks really good.
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0:47:47We had a question from listener Sims.
0:47:51Now that camera control is here, what are you doing with your action button?
0:47:56I remember Federico's multi-button shortcut.
0:47:59Is that still in use?
0:48:02Excellent timing for this question, because just last night, I finally came up with what
0:48:09I think is my new favorite use case for the action button.
0:48:13I've been using my own multi-button shortcut for the past year, basically, and it's always
0:48:18been tied through its initial different versions that I tested, but I settled eventually on
0:48:27the first press triggers a shortcut to create a reminder, and the second press triggers
0:48:34my Apple Frames shortcut, which I used, but not as much as I thought I would.
0:48:44What I came up with last night, which I don't know, I've observed my behavior today with
0:48:49the phone.
0:48:50It's already sort of become second nature, which is usually a pretty good sign.
0:48:5518.1, the latest beta, 18.1 beta 5, which I think equals to 18.1 public beta 2, introduces
0:49:03a new Show Control Center action in shortcuts.
0:49:08Now this action you can modify so that it either shows, hides, or toggles Control Center,
0:49:20which means it toggles the state.
0:49:23Like if it's visible, it hides.
0:49:25If it's not shown, it brings out Control Center.
0:49:28So I have assigned this Toggle Control Center shortcut to the action button, and it's been
0:49:34a game changer for me, because I don't need to swipe, I don't need to reach to the top
0:49:39right corner of the screen anymore, I can just press the action button, it toggles Control
0:49:44Center, and what I'm even considering now is actually placing my most used controls
0:49:54like physically around the action button, right?
0:49:58So that if I'm going there with my thumb anyway, I might as well also place my most used
0:50:04controls around it.
0:50:05So yeah, invoking Control Center with the action button is going to be possible with
0:50:1018.1, and that's what I'm using it for at the moment.
0:50:14Very nice.
0:50:17My action button is basically the same as it's always been since I set it up, which
0:50:21was based on an idea that you gave me for Dorico.
0:50:24It was before it launched and you said like, on the Mac I can set a keyboard shortcut to
0:50:30add it to do, and so that completely locked in for me of something that I do want a lot,
0:50:37like I'm in my email or whatever and I see something, I want to make a task.
0:50:41So when I hit my action button, it runs a shortcut that I made, where there's a text
0:50:46box that says watch your task, I type it in, it asks me a second text box, which is when
0:50:51do you want this due, and then I format the date into a way that shortcuts can understand
0:50:57in shortcuts because you can do the date formatting actions, then it asks me where do you want
0:51:01to save this, Todoist or due, because they're different types of things for me, due is like
0:51:06I want to remember to do something like take a pill in three hours or whatever, it's not
0:51:10going to go in Todoist, and if I choose Todoist, it asks me the project and then it saves it,
0:51:14and if it asks due, then it just saves it immediately.
0:51:17So I love this, I use it multiple times a day, every single day.
0:51:20I do have a question for you Federico.
0:51:23So my Todoist action, they've made some changes recently, I've been working with the support
0:51:29people because they broke some stuff in shortcuts and I'm very happy they fixed it, but there
0:51:34used to be a show when run, like it would pop up a little thing when it was completed,
0:51:39and the Todoist support team say that Apple removed that ability, which I don't think
0:51:43is accurate.
0:51:44Yeah, okay, cool.
0:51:45I'm just checking, I thought that they didn't know what they unfortunately were talking
0:51:50about, but their action no longer shows when run.
0:51:53They used to have a checkbox that you could mark that on, so it would like show you that
0:51:57you'd completed it and like give you the preview of the task you'd added.
0:52:01It now doesn't do that, so I've just like cobbled together my own one with like show
0:52:05me the title and the text and the date, so I get an idea of how everything was formatted
0:52:09in the end.
0:52:10But yeah, okay, cool.
0:52:12It doesn't do that anymore.
0:52:13They say that Apple removed that feature and I think that they're wrong, and so that's
0:52:17cool.
0:52:18I'll get an answer for that from the shortcuts man himself, but yeah, that's what I do.
0:52:21I love it.
0:52:22What do you do, Steven?
0:52:24I was using a shortcut that just gave me a text field and put that into reminders in
0:52:30the inbox due today, so I could just sort it out later, but after I saw Federico's post,
0:52:35I changed it to control center and I kind of digging it, so I don't know what I'm going
0:52:40to do.
0:52:41I'm kind of in limbo now.
0:52:42So you both really using control center, like you're like really using it?
0:52:46Oh yeah.
0:52:47Oh yeah.
0:52:48I love it.
0:52:49No, I haven't been running iOS 18 as long as you both have.
0:52:52So control center is new for me still.
0:52:54So I'm still kind of like settling in, but that's interesting.
0:52:58I have put a couple of shortcuts in there, which I like it.
0:53:00Some of them always use shortcuts and now in control center, I like that as a thing.
0:53:05The big three, if you will, for me are...
0:53:11Ray tracing?
0:53:12For you?
0:53:13Gamers!
0:53:14It's a gamers joke!
0:53:17Gamers rise!
0:53:19No, like the three types of controls that really make it worthy for me are the now playing
0:53:26control, especially when I'm like listening to something like a Discover Weekly on Spotify,
0:53:33for example, and I want to skip tracks, like having that like right there in control center,
0:53:39very useful, a control with two accessories, two specific lights that I frequently turn
0:53:47on and off on a daily basis, and a shortcut to reopen my quick notes folder in the notes
0:53:55app.
0:53:57Just like, I don't know, and it's very fast, like having all of those controls there, especially
0:54:01now with the action button, you just press shows, click, boom, done.
0:54:05Like it's very quick and I like it.
0:54:09Yeah, that makes sense.
0:54:11Yeah, it's in a way like you can make a better multi-button, right?
0:54:19You can just press it once and access like a bunch of things that you do all the time.
0:54:23Like it actually shows you a bunch of shortcuts if you want to.
0:54:27That's interesting.
0:54:29Yeah, and even control center, like it's also getting much better in 18.1.
0:54:35They are, they're going to provide more like individual controls for the wireless radio
0:54:42stuff.
0:54:43So like Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cellular, like it used to be all lumped together in a single
0:54:49tile control.
0:54:51In 18.1, they're going to be, if you want, there's going to be like individual controls,
0:54:55like so just, just Wi-Fi or just Bluetooth, just cellular and so forth, which is also
0:55:00nice.
0:55:01But yeah, control center is very nice.
0:55:05Pretty good.
0:55:07What about lock screen buttons?
0:55:09Have you done anything with that Federico?
0:55:12Flashlight because I couldn't think of a better place for it.
0:55:17So that one stayed.
0:55:19I replaced the camera with a shortcut that is like a very simple thing to add a new quick
0:55:27note to just like, like anything I want to save an idea, a number, whatever, like just
0:55:35having that right there, press save a quick note.
0:55:39That's it.
0:55:40There isn't a quick note, like there's not a quick note control, which is I had to create
0:55:46a shortcut with a single action that says add the quick note.
0:55:50There is one in 18.1.
0:55:52Wait.
0:55:53Yeah.
0:55:54Cause that's, that's, uh, one of the ones I've been playing with.
0:55:57Oh, cool.
0:55:59Even better.
0:56:00So I don't have to use my shortcut anymore.
0:56:01Yeah.
0:56:02Look at that.
0:56:03Who's the editor in chief now?
0:56:04Oh, quick note.
0:56:06Okay.
0:56:07Weird.
0:56:08I searched for this.
0:56:10Oh yeah.
0:56:11But it basically, it does the same thing, but cool.
0:56:14Yeah.
0:56:15It's got a better icon.
0:56:16I found the search on the actions to be kind of hit or miss.
0:56:20Yeah.
0:56:21Uh, I have a music flashlight.
0:56:23I just don't think I'm gonna, anyone should change that.
0:56:26Like flashlight is great to have and it's great to have there and the UI goes so hard,
0:56:30like why not?
0:56:31Um, and I, the, my second one, I've replaced the camera with one of my most used shortcuts,
0:56:35which is, uh, it's a, it's a time tracking shortcut where if I realize I've done a thing
0:56:41and didn't track that time, it just basically says, how long have you been working on that
0:56:46thing and which, which, where should it have gone to?
0:56:48And then it just adds it in time.
0:56:51The true power move is two flashlights.
0:56:54So you can, you can just always, always be flashing.
0:56:57Yes.
0:56:58You never know when you're gonna need them.
0:56:59Well, that's true.
0:57:00That's true.
0:57:01That was a good post, Stephen, by the way.
0:57:04Thank you.
0:57:05Uh, so let's, let's talk a little bit about, uh, Apple's definition of a photo.
0:57:12Federico, you would link to this.
0:57:14It's this quote from, uh, the verges iPhone review.
0:57:17I think.
0:57:18Uh, tell us about this.
0:57:20So I was really impressed with this bit in Eli Patel's review of the iPhones.
0:57:25Um, they were able to get a quote from John McCormack, uh, Apple's, uh, vice president
0:57:31of camera software engineering.
0:57:34And I'm just gonna quote this and because I want to talk about it.
0:57:37Here's our view of what a photograph is.
0:57:39The way we like to think of it is that it's a personal celebration of something that really
0:57:45actually happened, whether that's a simple thing, like a fancy cup of coffee that's got
0:57:49some cool design on it all the way through to my kids' first steps or my parents' last
0:57:54breath.
0:57:55It's something that really happened.
0:57:57It's something that is a marker in my life and it's something that deserves to be celebrated.
0:58:02I love this, uh, like, and there's more to the quote, but just like the essential part
0:58:06that I want to discuss.
0:58:08I love the way they're thinking about this.
0:58:13And especially I like the idea of celebrating even the sad moments in, not the server, like
0:58:23cheering for obviously someone's passing, but like celebrating, remembering a moment,
0:58:34the good ones and the bad ones.
0:58:36Apple is saying this is the role of photography in history, the good moments and the bad moments.
0:58:45There are, you know, if I can add to that, there are dozens, hundreds of historic photographs
0:58:54of terrible things that happened in human history.
0:58:57Like the role of photography is to document, is to remember all those moments because you
0:59:04don't, you don't get to, unfortunately in life, you don't get to cherry pick the type
0:59:09of life where you only live great moments, right?
0:59:12There's going to be good ones, there's going to be bad ones.
0:59:15And the role of photography, the way I think of it, and I'm pleased to hear that Apple
0:59:19is thinking along the same lines, is it's something that happened, whether it's good
0:59:24or bad, and it's something that you can remember and that our camera can help you remember.
0:59:29And it's in direct contrast to what companies like Samsung are saying, there are no real
0:59:37pictures anymore, nothing is real.
0:59:39And there's Google saying, well, it's actually more about how you remember something, it's
0:59:44more about the memory rather than the actual fact than the actual moment.
0:59:49So Google is taking the sort of relativistic approach, like, yeah, everybody's recollection
0:59:55is different, so we don't particularly care about reality.
0:59:58Yeah, it's like, like Google is saying, like, oh, we want you to create a memory and Apple's
1:00:03like, we want you to capture our memory.
1:00:05Exactly.
1:00:06Yes.
1:00:07So on paper, in theory, I look at this quote and I'm like, I'm very glad that I'm using
1:00:13a phone because there's people at Apple that think these kind of thoughts that I agree
1:00:18with.
1:00:20On the other hand, I am curious to see how Apple, over time, will reconcile these thoughts
1:00:29with the upcoming reality of Apple intelligence and the rollout of features that will alter
1:00:38photography and moments for what they are.
1:00:42There's going to be one immediately coming with the Teampoint 1, which is clean up, but
1:00:48you know, there's going to be more like and I'm curious if Apple's rather beautiful stance
1:00:56on this matter, how it will bump against the reality of Craig Federighi coming down from
1:01:04the mountain saying, well, you got to do AI, you know, teams at Apple.
1:01:10I don't care.
1:01:11I think it's fun.
1:01:12You got to do it.
1:01:13So that'll be interesting to watch.
1:01:16I love this quote and it is being rightly applauded, but I do look at it with a bit
1:01:21of a side eye of like, is this going to remain forever?
1:01:29What's image playgrounds?
1:01:31What is that?
1:01:32Obviously you're not making photos, but what is the thinking behind why you would create
1:01:37a fake image of any kind?
1:01:42Does that fit into any of this?
1:01:45I would love someone similarly to define, to tell me why they are creating image playgrounds.
1:01:51What role they imagine that to think it's fun, right?
1:01:56So like, is it fun to add generative AI to regular photos?
1:02:03Well we'll see.
1:02:04I guess.
1:02:05Right.
1:02:06Google thinks so.
1:02:07Right.
1:02:08Google thinks so because they put it in a pixel.
1:02:09Like, so I just, I just wonder if like, this is great.
1:02:13I cannot be comfortable in believing that this is how they will always approach this.
1:02:17I, I am going to say something.
1:02:22I mean, you know me, I don't care about the consequences.
1:02:25Well, to a degree.
1:02:27But I think this one is pretty safe.
1:02:30This quote and this very direct explanation is the most Steve Jobs quote I've read from
1:02:41Apple in the post Steve Jobs era.
1:02:44Yeah.
1:02:45Yeah, I can see that.
1:02:48This could be part of a quote in thoughts on photos or something, couldn't it, you know?
1:02:53Like here's a view of what a photograph is.
1:02:54Like here's the thing, like it's pretty much Apple saying, here's the thing.
1:02:58We believe in this and whether you like it or not, this is what we believe in.
1:03:02I love this attitude.
1:03:03Like I, it's why this quote resonates because we have gotten so used to this very polished
1:03:11image of Apple PR and Tim Cook, but obviously Apple PR in general.
1:03:16And this is like, um, this is a quote that obviously comes from a, from a person in the
1:03:22sense that no, it's not, it's not like Apple PR, not people, but like it's a very direct,
1:03:27very humane quote.
1:03:30I think it has emotion, it has emotion, which is, and it's complicated and like complex
1:03:37and deep and there's a lot going on in there.
1:03:40And so like, I love it.
1:03:41I love it.
1:03:44I want to believe it, but I'm not just going to straight believe it.
1:03:49Like I almost wish that there was a way for me to sign up for a subscription that gets
1:03:58me this version of Apple, give me more of these quotes and these opinions like, you
1:04:08know, Apple one opinionated, I guess call it.
1:04:10I don't, I don't care.
1:04:11Like, but like this is the, this quote, it made me feel so good because like I was like,
1:04:17yes, this is the company that I, this is like the attitude that I like.
1:04:22What there is the problem that if this quote is truly Steve Jobsian, uh, they will just
1:04:28go against it when they want to.
1:04:30Right.
1:04:31Cause he did do that.
1:04:32Right.
1:04:33Like he would make a lot of very strong statements until it was time for him to not believe that
1:04:37anymore and then he would just go ahead and do that thing.
1:04:40Sure.
1:04:41Sure.
1:04:42Maybe it will be a true job statement.
1:04:43Uh, but it's a great quote.
1:04:45It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a great way to think about the role of photography
1:04:51in history.
1:04:53We'll see how long it's, uh, we'll see if this quote can last as long as photography
1:05:02did according to Apple.
1:05:04I have my doubts.
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1:07:15Something else that I got, which I absolutely love and I have actually no notes here, is
1:07:22the AirPods 4 with noise cancellation.
1:07:24They're everything I was hoping for.
1:07:27They obviously do not cancel as much external noise as the AirPods Pro with in-ear tips
1:07:33do, but they cancel more than I was expecting, and I just feel like they did the thing.
1:07:40They did exactly what people wanted, great balance of price and some of the features
1:07:48of AirPods Pro in a device that doesn't require that you use in-ear tips.
1:07:53I have already sold two people in my life on this, and actually I've seen one of my
1:08:00friends today came up to me and was like, "I got them."
1:08:04I think these are going to be a massive success with people, and I just loved using them.
1:08:09Again, no notes, perfect update here for me and for the shape of my years.
1:08:18Sure.
1:08:19And that's always what these things come down to.
1:08:21I had a chance to try them and they weren't comfortable, but man, I really love the tiny
1:08:26case.
1:08:27The little case is so good.
1:08:29The tiny case is adorable and good and very portable, and I love it.
1:08:34I got to try Jason's.
1:08:37He got their units, I put them in and it immediately fell out of my left ear.
1:08:41I've always had a problem in my left ear with headphones, and I was immediately reminded
1:08:46of how AirPods would just fall out all the time.
1:08:49Even my AirPods Pro, over time, they're going to work their way out of there.
1:08:55This set just doesn't work for me, but I'm fine with that because I have the headphones
1:09:00that I like, and I'm really happy that Apple is offering multiple products that do these
1:09:06features.
1:09:07I'm wearing some headphones right now that I really wish they added more features to
1:09:11in the new edition, but they at least have a version of noise cancellation in all of
1:09:17their AirPod line now, which I just think is good.
1:09:19I think it's great that they have those options available for people who really can't suffer
1:09:25the silicon tips, which I thought I was going to be one of those people, but Apple made
1:09:29a version that works enough for me and I'm happy with it.
1:09:33But yeah, I think it's great.
1:09:34I would love to see them try to do something like the Beats ones now, the ones that go
1:09:38like over your ears, you know, like they kind of clip on, what do they call it, the Powerbeats
1:09:44or whatever.
1:09:45Let's just make some AirPods too.
1:09:46Let's just go crazy.
1:09:47Yeah, Powerbeats Pro, I think those are the ones that my wife really likes because she
1:09:50is doing a bunch of workouts and jumping around and kickboxing people in the air, and she's
1:09:56always sworn by those.
1:09:58In the air.
1:09:59Wow.
1:10:00Did you see the nothing open ear headphones?
1:10:03Did you see these?
1:10:04Yeah.
1:10:05I saw those.
1:10:06They look so good.
1:10:07They look weird and cool.
1:10:08Like, do you know what I mean?
1:10:09Like make something like that too.
1:10:10Let's just go, let's go wild with it.
1:10:12I don't disagree.
1:10:14It could be AirPods 4 with active noise cancellation and ear loop, you know, just keep adding modifiers.
1:10:22Why not?
1:10:23Yeah.
1:10:24Why not?
1:10:25Why not?
1:10:26Why not?
1:10:27Very strange earphones.
1:10:28Really cool.
1:10:29Shall we talk about Apple watch?
1:10:30Because I also have, I have, I have brought, as you've seen, I've started this episode
1:10:36with a menu of questions in the pre-show and then I have brought a full course of opinions
1:10:43and thoughts.
1:10:44We're on like a Federico tasting menu today.
1:10:48I think of the three of us, you're the only one with the Series 10, right?
1:10:51Yeah.
1:10:52Yeah.
1:10:53I think that's accurate.
1:10:55Mixed feelings about it so far.
1:11:01The slim profile is very nice.
1:11:04I think it's lovely that it's so light, so much thinner than an Apple watch Ultra.
1:11:10I, I really dig it visually speaking and like on my wrist, it feels very nice.
1:11:16The speaker.
1:11:17So I had high expectations for finding something I've been chasing, I guess this idea of an
1:11:28always on wearable speaker, right?
1:11:35It's the best part of the Meta Ray bands for me.
1:11:38The fact that these are actually pretty decent speakers that I don't need to manage because
1:11:44as long as I'm wearing my glasses, I also have speakers to listen to podcasts or music.
1:11:51And I had high expectations for the Series 10 to sort of become an alternative to that,
1:11:57to that use case.
1:11:59And it's kinda halfway there and I think it mostly comes down to how audio playback is
1:12:06managed on watchOS, but also the kinds of apps that I'm using.
1:12:13Most apps, they still, they do not default to like playing audio via the Series 10 speakers.
1:12:21So like there's always going to be like a menu that you need to go in and say, no, no,
1:12:26I want to play via the Apple Watch speaker.
1:12:30And I kind of wish there was a setting for me to say, not just, you know, if I tell you
1:12:34so just default to the speakers.
1:12:36Like don't ask me if I want to play on my phone, don't ask me if I want to wear AirPods,
1:12:40just go straight to the speaker.
1:12:42But more specifically, I'm using Spotify as my music and podcast app now and I have for
1:12:50the past three weeks at this point and it's just the fact that the Spotify experience
1:12:55on the watch kind of sucks.
1:12:56And this is not Apple's fault, it's Spotify's fault, right?
1:13:00Sometimes when I, when in Spotify, I manually switch from iPhone playback to Apple Watch
1:13:08playback, it resets the position in an episode I'm listening to, so that's terrible.
1:13:15But also the watch app of Spotify does not have playback speed controls.
1:13:21I listen to all my shows at 1.3 or 1.4x and Spotify on the watch does not have playback
1:13:28speed.
1:13:29So all this to say, this is not Apple's fault, it's just the way that watch apps are designed
1:13:33and the watch app that I specifically am using is not making me appreciate the built-in speaker
1:13:40as much as I hoped it would.
1:13:45The big issue that I'm having now is, well actually two, two big issues.
1:13:51One, I'm pretty disappointed that despite the screen size being as big or even technically
1:13:58bigger than an Apple Watch Ultra, I don't have the ultra modular, ultra watch face.
1:14:07And it's silly because like it's literally the same.
1:14:10It's actually one millimeter more, right, than the ultra because this is 46, the ultra
1:14:15is 45, but I don't have that watch face.
1:14:19And like the entire situation with watch faces on watchOS is so silly that they actually
1:14:28removed some watch faces in watchOS 11.
1:14:31And the fact that I have this big watch, but the ultra is 49, well, why was I convinced
1:14:39that the ultra was 45?
1:14:41Oh, the case size, but I mean the display is basically the same, right?
1:14:46The display is bigger, it's really confusing.
1:14:50The display on the Series 10 is larger than the display on the Apple Watch Ultra, but
1:14:54the Apple Watch Ultra is physically bigger than the Series 10.
1:14:57Yeah, but as long as I'm talking about software, like give me that, there's plenty of space
1:15:02here, right, there's plenty of space on this display.
1:15:05Let me use the ultra modular face.
1:15:07Well, they won't let you do it because you don't have an Apple Watch Ultra, it's bananas.
1:15:11Like I feel like once you've bought it, give me it everywhere.
1:15:15Like why have I got to lock it in?
1:15:17Like this is not the place to have opinions, like, you know.
1:15:22The other problem though is once you get used to battery life on the ultra, man, going back
1:15:34to a non ultra watch is rough.
1:15:39I need to charge this thing every day, essentially, whereas with the ultra, you could do it every
1:15:46couple of days.
1:15:47And I've been using the Ultra 1, the first gen, for almost two years at this point because
1:15:54I remember I got the Ultra 1 in December or January of two, sorry, it's almost two years
1:16:00ago, and I've gotten so used to the idea of like, yeah, I can charge it quickly every
1:16:06couple of days.
1:16:07Here, I get to the end of the day because I also sleep with the watch, right, and I
1:16:11get to the end of the day, I'm like, well, I got to charge it, it's an everyday thing
1:16:15again, and I thought I was past it.
1:16:18So the combination of these things, I don't think I will keep it, I think I will probably
1:16:26go back to the ultra.
1:16:28So you got that interesting contrast, right?
1:16:32With the iPhone, I decided to sort of downsize and scale back to the regular model, but with
1:16:40the watch, even though I'm not an extremely active person, I'm not into any of those types
1:16:47of workout that the ultra is in theory designed for, but because of a different reason, I'm
1:16:54actually thinking that the high-end model was better for me.
1:16:59So I think it's an interesting contrast that I find myself facing this year, and right
1:17:06now, despite the very nice design and the slim profile and everything, I am leaning
1:17:13toward being an ultra boy again.
1:17:19The battery life is my biggest concern because I've gotten so used to the fantastic battery
1:17:24life on the ultra, but in the same way that I want to use the pro, I want all of the features
1:17:31that I can have, and I feel like the ultra watch has a lot of features, but not necessarily
1:17:38the ones that I want, and I'm concerned now with the way that they've updated it this
1:17:43year that these watches are going to be off revision from each other, and the series watches
1:17:52will probably get more of the features that I want and care about than the ultra watch
1:17:57will, and the features the ultra watch will get are the things that are not so important
1:18:01to me, like, oh, it can dive further.
1:18:08Not really, not for me.
1:18:09So I do think I'm going to jump to series 10.
1:18:12I need to go do a try on.
1:18:15My main issue, so I want the gold watch.
1:18:17My main issue is the band selection right now.
1:18:20Oh, yeah.
1:18:21It's almost as bad as the watch features.
1:18:23Yeah, because my favorite Apple watch band of all time is the magnetic leather link bracelet,
1:18:32but now it's made of fine water rather than leather, and I saw one of those the other
1:18:37day.
1:18:38We went to the episode, I picked one up, and it just doesn't feel what I want it to feel
1:18:41like.
1:18:42I have one of the leather ones that's kind of new, but now I'm like, I don't want to
1:18:46wear it because I'm like, I don't want to wreck it because I love this band so much.
1:18:51And then so looking at the gold watch, the gold link bracelet, I love it.
1:18:56No, it's look, that is a very specific product for a specific type of person.
1:19:01I happen to be that person.
1:19:02I don't know if I can pull it off, but I will want to wear it anyway.
1:19:06The problem is it is expensive, not as expensive as I thought it would be, but it's expensive,
1:19:11but it's just listed as unavailable.
1:19:14Like what does that even mean?
1:19:16Like there's no date on it at all.
1:19:18It's just oh, it's unavailable.
1:19:19So I guess, okay.
1:19:21And I just feel like in general, the color choices in the bands, I don't like them this
1:19:25season.
1:19:26And what I want is the braided loop with a clasp.
1:19:31I really like the way the braided loop looks, but I don't want a watch that I pull on and
1:19:36off like that.
1:19:37Like I want to take my watch off and put my watch on.
1:19:41I don't want to like pull it over my hand like that is not, that's not something I want
1:19:47to do.
1:19:48So I don't know, what I'm considering doing, if I do go for this watch, I'm considering
1:19:55doing something I've never done before, which is actually looking outside of Apple for watch
1:20:00bands.
1:20:01Okay.
1:20:02Like there are so many companies that make them.
1:20:04Right?
1:20:05A lot of them are really good.
1:20:07I'm sure they are.
1:20:08And I've never really paid them much attention, but I think I might do that.
1:20:12You know, like looking at what Nomad, Native Union, I think, but like I know Nomad make
1:20:16lots of watch bands, so I might look at those too.
1:20:19That might be an option for me.
1:20:21I don't know.
1:20:22Yeah, I dig it.
1:20:24I went to the store and saw the black Ultra 2.
1:20:28It looks really awesome.
1:20:29Oh no, don't tell me this.
1:20:31It's beautiful.
1:20:32Oh my God.
1:20:33It's so good looking.
1:20:34No, no, no.
1:20:35I didn't do anything.
1:20:36I'm staying with my Ultra 1 and I'm, even though the battery life is not what it once
1:20:40was, I can still get through about a day and a half.
1:20:42And so I'm just being a little bit more selective with my charging, but I'm going to keep
1:20:46the Ultra 1 and I did pick up the new bands in black.
1:20:52So the Ocean band I'm wearing right now with the, and these bands, the new Ultra bands,
1:20:59you can select if you want the hardware or the lugs, if they have metal lugs, to be the
1:21:04natural titanium or the black.
1:21:06So I got the natural Ocean band in black and I really like it.
1:21:10And I'm going to keep this thing on my wrist for another year.
1:21:14It's an awesome watch.
1:21:15I have really, there's really no features of the Ultra 2 that I feel like I'm missing
1:21:20out on.
1:21:21And I get to keep blood oxygen because Apple for some reason has not resolved that issue.
1:21:27So I'm staying put, but the black one, had there been an Ultra 3, I'd be wearing a black
1:21:32one right now.
1:21:33I didn't even think of that.
1:21:35Yeah.
1:21:36You'd lose the blood oxygen sensor, right?
1:21:37Yeah.
1:21:38So I got, I'm monitoring my, my blood oxygen.
1:21:40Isn't it wild that they haven't resolved that?
1:21:43That's mad that there's no solution to that yet.
1:21:46It's just like, Oh, you just lose that.
1:21:48It's like part of the vitals app just wouldn't work.
1:21:51Right?
1:21:52Yeah.
1:21:53It's it's absolutely ridiculous.
1:21:54Huh?
1:21:55Apple should fix it.
1:21:56Well, I think that does it for this week.
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