0:00:01one about the cat game yeah it's more boring than I thought it was about you
0:00:04get to play with the cats are some good photos interactive in some way but they
0:00:07just show up yet used it just like real cats you don't really interact with the
0:00:11mucus kinda feed them and right as I could you just so excited today exists
0:00:16that you exist at the same time you don't get to play with the cats you
0:00:20don't get like throw them toys they don't just show up
0:00:24leave you crap and then leave yet I don't really care about you they just
0:00:27care about your food and you can even interact with them right just like cats
0:00:32don't like it don't like cats are we talking about this Microsoft stuff at
0:00:38some point I think we should even though in the grand tradition it's like
0:00:41happened today nobody knows about anything about it but whatever we
0:00:44already headlines right side takes in our pundits all we need is a headline
0:00:48well this is pretty much all you guys because I was really not following any
0:00:53of this I was using my Apple watch all day but you can't say anything about him
0:00:59but I don't know anything about the Microsoft stuff see you soon I think I
0:01:01think we have a lot to cover from subsets of us you know that this will be
0:01:05will be taking turns
0:01:06we might as well start as we always start with John taking the turn of
0:01:10follow-up we had a lot of follow up this week but now that I read through it is
0:01:14just long but I don't think it will take a long time because they're all small
0:01:17Adams famous last words everyone look at the time stamp I was right last time I
0:01:22said that we got through it quickly I think we will today to ok so the first
0:01:26one is from John tall giving us more more color as they say in Apple earnings
0:01:31calls about the Seagate
0:01:34the bed Seagate hard drive thing that we talked about and this is from 2011 and
0:01:41says it was actually a bug in their firmware it specifically it was a bug in
0:01:46a counter that kept track of how many times the drive had spun up and the
0:01:50counter would overflow and it would make the drive think that it was brand new
0:01:54that had never been spun up and there is in the form of reduced discounters only
0:02:01when its brand new its been up really quickly and when he gets older take a
0:02:04little longer to spin up
0:02:06and the reason hard I want to know how long it takes us been upto they want to
0:02:09know when it's safe to put their heads on top of the desk if you think the
0:02:13Wikipedia hard drive page or maybe howStuffWorks deja something we don't
0:02:17know how hard drives work they had these little heads look kind of like the order
0:02:21they called in and phonographs Casey the tone arm or whatever with a stylus
0:02:27something like that what the stylus is the needle but I think you are talking
0:02:30about the tonearm I think I don't even pay too much attention as much as I have
0:02:34this this reputation for being obsessed with vinyl I'm not even sure you know
0:02:39hard drives and SSDs for people who don't know how hard drives works trying
0:02:43to explain it as an analogy for records which they probably might have never
0:02:48seen and even I who grew up with breakfast I know that the party called
0:02:50anyway it's a little arm that goes over the desk and it's got a little redhead
0:02:54on it as you talk about the distance a little redhead that that reads a little
0:02:58you know the magnetic thing that reads little blips on the desk of magnetic
0:03:04poles or whatever that head is really really close to the desk that had cannot
0:03:09touch the disc is it touches the desk it ruins it because the discus spinning
0:03:13very fast and it's made of I don't know some kind of you know metal glass
0:03:16whatever material the head is actually pretty hard and it touches it at the
0:03:19head crash that will put a big out in the disc and you basically printed and
0:03:23that's where the term crash and computers comes from is it comes from
0:03:27yeah it's it's it's hard drive heads crashing into the platters and therefore
0:03:31like killing the drive and you lose your data and reasoning when you save my
0:03:35computer crashed that was what you meant I'm not sure if that's true solicitation
0:03:39come in and tell us whether that's crazy all I know about the bug that was the
0:03:42moth flew into the big machine trip to the original bug but anyway so it it
0:03:47wants to know when is it safe to bring the heads onto the desk but it is off
0:03:51the heads are often the side they're not they're not over the discs at all their
0:03:54parked exactly so in the parking lot why does it matter how fast the disc is
0:03:58spinning we can't you just bring the head down whenever they feel like it no
0:04:01because the the thing that keeps the heads from touching the disc is a tiny
0:04:05cushion of air between the head of the disk and it's super tiny like they were
0:04:08shut the diagram shows like a human hair next to the gap and the human hair like
0:04:12dwarfs the gap between the haves and the have to be really really close but can't
0:04:17touch
0:04:17and so it's really important that the discs be spinning fast enough for the
0:04:23heads to be able to saving a lot to it and if that account overflows and the
0:04:26mechanism the hard drive thanks dead it brand new distance from respond right
0:04:30away and the heads out the crash the disco to kill them and so this is a
0:04:34firmware bug that causes a hardware failure that affected a lot of Seagate
0:04:38dress apparently alright we will put a link to how stuff works that on page 95
0:04:46of the slideshow what page was that on p
0:04:49I think it's seven of that slideshow of the they show what jon is describing so
0:04:54we'll have that the show notes I wanted to jump in and do a very brief piece of
0:04:59follow-up I am talking to everyone on errands MacBook Air and the one that
0:05:05went for a little swim last week that is going to be a short show it actually
0:05:13knock on my glass desk has been doing just fine I'm not expecting that to
0:05:18continue on forever I'm expecting to do
0:05:22Casey anyway moving on then all kidding aside it is fine I'm surprised by that I
0:05:31have heard several conflicting reports as to how much Apple will charge me to
0:05:35fix this if it does eventually Fri I've heard a couple hundred dollars I've
0:05:41heard well maybe a genius will take pity on you i've heard $800 and anywhere in
0:05:47between so hopefully I'll never have to find out but as of tonight on Wednesday
0:05:54what is the 28th 29th or something like that
0:05:5729th Ave Wednesday the 29th of April it is still working much to my surprise I'm
0:06:01very happy about that how you made that website though like the the death watch
0:06:06website right yeah I did I did actually make a Deathwatch website and what I did
0:06:11was I found a site somewhere that would create a launch DEP list for me and that
0:06:17launched a plist would then just launched curl and tickle URL on my
0:06:22website but it's very unreliable in so part of the reason I haven't publicized
0:06:27this link is because it reports errands Mac is being broken in dead way more
0:06:35often than it actually is broken and dad I went to it I saw that it was that I
0:06:41first or second I was upset and said you know what that's probably just a minor
0:06:44in failure
0:06:45exactly and so i the reason I haven't given this to the Internet is because as
0:06:49much as I know everyone would be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts
0:06:52no I'm not being sarcastic I mean that I would be getting hourly if not
0:06:56minute-by-minute reports that Aaron's computers that I must check on it go
0:07:00look right now oh my god it says it's dead when in reality it's probably user
0:07:04error with me and lunch D but one way or another it's just not a very reliable
0:07:08mechanism for monitoring the Mac so there is a website for it I will not be
0:07:13showing the link because it's not a very good link and it's not worth paying
0:07:16attention to but it is a life and end did you you said that you went to a
0:07:21website to generate it launched d so I don't know anything about launch day and
0:07:26I was originally going to use
0:07:28gonna set up a cron job
0:07:30but I can never get Ronson tax rate and so is figuring out okay well what do I
0:07:34have available to me you know can I just do a scheduled task sort of thing and
0:07:39maybe there's an easier way of doing this that I just didn't think of her
0:07:42StumbleUpon but one way or another I ended up going to this website that
0:07:47generated this just silly
0:07:49humongous plist for launch team and again I don't really know what I'm
0:07:55talking about it apparently what launched he does is it did you give it
0:07:59to specialists and you say on the 5th minute of these year with our go run
0:08:06this command on the 10th minute of this year with our go run this command on the
0:08:1015th minute of this year there in this continues to all 24 hours a day and it
0:08:14then so because of that this playlist was enormous maybe that's not how it's
0:08:18designed to be used if it's not it doesn't really matter I i to be honest I
0:08:22don't really care but I tried to do that real quick and I thought it was working
0:08:27but not so much I put a link to an app that will make watch the palace for you
0:08:32because there are much more robust and then Casey saying that he didn't know
0:08:37ron is a tax on top of that is the most Windows Developer thing I've ever heard
0:08:40him say that I anyone who has ever done every side of the windows are right i
0:08:50John and I and I find bodies syntax completely inscrutable yeah that's why
0:08:55they're like yeah I don't think he's crazy to get help doing that because it
0:08:59is like ron is easy its just you know a bunch of items in my daughter and you
0:09:03memorize it and if you forget dunno man five crontab to refresh your memory
0:09:07whatever to see we view this version supports / 5 syntax are not arranged
0:09:11that much to stop its way more complicated and I bet only to people who
0:09:16develop lunch the Apple have memorized all the options on the different things
0:09:20you can add that even if you gonna do it like
0:09:22by hand you'd use apples pls pls by hand animals and their thing its Lincoln or
0:09:30whatever is named after the barrier the fruit I have heard of it somewhere near
0:09:34be careful because you can skip the system of that like it lets you see I
0:09:38think all the people dislike the systemwide things and even like what is
0:09:41this I don't understand is I can't believe that
0:09:43just you know be careful out there is a test IKEA yeah nice I will put the site
0:09:50I used in the show that well as well its launch 20 with dot com and again all it
0:09:55does is you say when you want this thing to run it generates a humongous sleeper
0:09:58both launched deepest photos photos from Andrew woods he is making sure that we
0:10:07know that photos there's a whole bunch of stuff in the background even after
0:10:10its done importing said activity minor in his 2010 MacBook Pro show today
0:10:16taking all four cores for virtual cores for a long time so his recommendation
0:10:21was to check activity minor and wait until things settle down and things
0:10:26really are idle before judging his performance as i think is that in the
0:10:29last show I did like i'm looking Activity Monitor I'm making sure that I
0:10:33don't see the cloudy process the grinding away or whatever you know I let
0:10:37it to really get into that steady-state over the course of many days where I
0:10:41didn't see anything in top or whatever and then just tried to this outsider
0:10:44judging it after it had gone to announce that is even worse of course if the
0:10:48middle of doing face recognition or even uploading.com but that's something if
0:10:53someone did you are trying for the first time and you're not accustomed to
0:10:57launching activity monitor and sorting by CPU and seeing everything is grinding
0:11:01away there will be a period of time after the importance quote-unquote done
0:11:05when things are still going on she said let's to see if you ran i stat menus you
0:11:12would know immediately whether these things were thinking about your CPU tell
0:11:17you which processes is hurting your CPU for all you know could be colonel
0:11:20underscore task and then it doesn't help you much so that you see nothing about
0:11:24you just click on the thing that shows you all the top process just click on
0:11:28the dock icon shows no atop process is the name that I could start them and
0:11:33when I'm done looking at a quick the absolute not they're updating every
0:11:35three seconds
0:11:36scan the entire process table operating system acquiring and releasing colonel
0:11:41ox over and over and over again with nobody looking at it he's got in
0:11:47particular the computer trying to instill in a programmer should all have
0:11:52empathy for the machine because it makes you write code that isn't stupid I don't
0:11:59even know where to go thanks let two or three spots empathy with the computer
0:12:05I'm I keep saying that people look at me like I'm crazy but don't you feel that
0:12:08when you write code that like I don't know just something simple like hoisting
0:12:13an invariant out of the loop why doing that you just do it like you have to
0:12:18sort of put yourself in the position of the computer and the different machinery
0:12:22you just feel guilty about making some process be repeated over and over again
0:12:26when you know the result is going to be the same it's like you're just wasting
0:12:29everybody's time you're just wasting battery it's negligible students
0:12:34premature opposition blah blah blah but if you have no empathy for the computer
0:12:38then you just do everything in a ridiculous way and your entire program
0:12:42is just one giant gray haze of Hot Spot Assist like to eat soup of super
0:12:48slowness so I think I'm pretty happy with the computer is an important skill
0:12:52that programmers should acquire so why do you program and scripting language
0:12:55you want do you have a computer but you don't want to be putting toggle switches
0:13:01right you know I'll be standing near your bits and magnetic core memory by
0:13:04hand right that's a balanced but no matter what level you're programming at
0:13:08there's nothing between the most well-known i'm saying is like it's even
0:13:12more important when you're in a high-level programming language right
0:13:15now is to some degree you don't have control over some things but if you know
0:13:18that for example here in a high-level programming language and function calls
0:13:21are relatively expensive compared to how fast it is to say jump to an address in
0:13:24an assembly program you like do I really need to get all the arguments into the
0:13:30railroad is serious to put that I wanna jump into the race to jump to register
0:13:34to like do all the stuff of the return value put that into the right place
0:13:37return Papa stack you know like make a new stack frame doing stuff to really do
0:13:41that our place in line
0:13:42I got his empathy with the compiler and and and every level that works in a
0:13:46high-level language you have to know which things are slowing your high-level
0:13:49language in which things which can you avoid much things you can can you in any
0:13:52language doesn't know what languages high level of me love this something
0:13:56that just apply all the time I don't do something over and over again when the
0:13:59results can be same you know don't make copies when you can pass around
0:14:03references if you language supports that concept like it doesn't really matter
0:14:07how simple it and you could well I can make it under the covers in other
0:14:10languages smart enough to copy on write in this really efficient or whatever but
0:14:13I guess it comes out to someone knowing her language I think it's more important
0:14:18when you get into higher-level languages not less likely to high-level languages
0:14:23have the potential for something innocuous that if you knew how two
0:14:26languages and let her know what is slipping as long as language black man
0:14:29really seriously whereas in with your dad assembly you might feel some
0:14:33sympathy but in general with everything you do is pass is very limited to write
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0:18:27about hard links yeah there's a little bit of confusion about hard things I
0:18:31don't think I did a good job of explaining the last time I just assumed
0:18:33everybody knew that we put the hard links link unless we show that forget I
0:18:39don't remember doing so but I'm not a hundred percent sure they will put it in
0:18:42this one so there's a tweet someone saying you know about the photos that I
0:18:47pretty hard links instead of an entirely new library and then send me a
0:18:50screenshot showing the I the photos library annex the library said yes I
0:18:54said I was going to make a whole new library but look this is a whole new
0:18:56library I'm like yeah but the other one is far thanks I said really it says each
0:19:00one is forty five gigabytes so that's the thing about hard things will put the
0:19:04link for the link that shows you can read this long thing from my lowest
0:19:07interviews about it from back in 2007 but the short version is you've got a
0:19:12file on disk you can think of it as a blob of data that sitting on your desk
0:19:15somewhere and it has a name associated with it and that's how you can find that
0:19:19day that you this name as you know you go through this name food whatever food
0:19:25i text it leads to these bites that name attached outside of bites can be said to
0:19:32be a link that's how you get ready get to those bites and go well I looked them
0:19:36up by going through that tax rates you can make another name that points that
0:19:41same set of bites on disc called Barden text Barta texts one way to get that
0:19:45same blob of bites and food at Texas when we get us involved but still just
0:19:49one bottle but it's two different names that point to it
0:19:52those are hardly see now that said that set of data on disk has to hardly
0:19:56everything can be said that one hardly and it's a conceptual in the UNIX system
0:20:01through which we don't want to talk about but anyway
0:20:04conceptually every pound has caused one hard link and that's like the name of
0:20:08the file you make a second hard link we call that second one though that's
0:20:11hardly the first one was just the file right guys at the second one is a hard
0:20:15link to
0:20:15right really it's if you want to think of it correctly conceptually the first
0:20:21one is also hard like this all number of you that the UNIX shell prompt the US
0:20:26command will show you a number number number of links to this thing most of us
0:20:30have a one next to it if you make a hard line to file to go up your seats who
0:20:33that's about that's what this article shows and since the point the same
0:20:38bucket of data gets more complicated if you use an editor that edits the file in
0:20:43place that does not do it many editors do which is make a complete copy of the
0:20:47file and rename and on top of the file I do some other update if you use it
0:20:50actually edit the file and place and you add it to either one of those names you
0:20:54will be editing the same because just one bucket of bits if you change it and
0:20:59then you look at the contents of food at X number of texts they still they both
0:21:02went to the same bubble butt said you had it through Barton text it changes
0:21:05the same but you could edit Barnett text and then show that the output of what's
0:21:10inside food at external show your edits right that's a hard things work if you
0:21:15get info on any of those files that you list the file with lis if you get info
0:21:18in the Finder the law say how big is it no sale how big is the big bucket of
0:21:23bits so it's like it's to make it 25 megs it's five digs they'll both state
0:21:27that the tricky part is that if you have said you had a hard drive that was like
0:21:31a hundred megs and you had a 99 make filing it you make 75 hard links that 99
0:21:36make file and every single one of those 1775 I'll say I'm 99 megabyte I'm not
0:21:41that I may as I have you have as many 99 megabyte file to disk is only a hundred
0:21:45megabytes how could they all fit it's just one set of 95 may write these
0:21:48hardly does not add any data so when photos that makes a new photos library
0:21:53and you see it right next year iPhoto library inside both of those libraries
0:21:58are a bunch of you know the one of them has the court originals and then there
0:22:02really is a implementation difference on the cover and the other one just as hard
0:22:05links but if you get info on both them in the final the both said that they're
0:22:08the same size after they're done roughly like oh I'm 45 digs and so am i but it's
0:22:12only one set of 45 digs for the photo data on your desk now there are files
0:22:16that are private photos like we are too many day-to-day basis and so on and so
0:22:19forth that the photos themselves that's what's making hard thanks to those
0:22:22things take up the majority of them
0:22:24so it yes it is very confusing and if you try to do the math you just get info
0:22:28on these libraries and try to do the math and say okay so I've got a 45 big
0:22:31library in 45 big library that means I'm using 90 gigs of space and I told rise
0:22:36face like the math won't add up right that's just how hard links work and to
0:22:40make things more complicated to lash out as you edit files but the Photos app
0:22:45people take something that was a hard link and changed into a copy because it
0:22:50doesn't want to mess with your iPhoto library so if you make a modification to
0:22:53the actual photo by which I mean if it happens maybe if you change the geotag
0:22:57data which has Casey said you can even do at this point but if you were to
0:22:59change that
0:23:01locally it will it will make a copy of it and they will slowly diverge from
0:23:04each other so they do that to keep them separate that's not a property of
0:23:07hardlines the application itself was doing that the application of courses
0:23:11itself is it free to do anything like that as a not but not as nothing to do
0:23:15with the nature of Arlington as I said as you see a demo link if you have two
0:23:19are linked to the same block of data and you go through either one of them today
0:23:22they both see the changes the photos application itself prevent that from
0:23:25happening
0:23:26sort of manually by making happy when it's too so it's confusing our thanks
0:23:31and the talks about some links to what you're a different thing
0:23:34photos and creating confusion for people who can't tell how much free space they
0:23:38have on their discussion tomorrow night so how about shared albums is a bummer
0:23:43when Steve Hildebrand said even if you try to do that crazy system I said less
0:23:48time of like throwing all your photos into the family photo library that share
0:23:51with your whole family apparently you can only have five thousand photos in a
0:23:54shared album so that wouldn't have worked anyway but kinda makes sense like
0:23:58you shouldn't be using shared albums as a way to show your whole library there's
0:24:02just be a way to share your library and haven't read right but there isn't and
0:24:06fewer than 5,000 photos you can't you can't even like manually do it how about
0:24:12what goes on with a MacBook Air with 7,800 photos ever talked about
0:24:18performance last time and there was like well I'm using a 2011 MacBook Air maybe
0:24:23it's just slow because i dont have a lot of Rambus Laura computer so
0:24:27mucho Spanish says that he has a very small library on a 2012 MacBook Air just
0:24:32seven thousand and photos and keyword is still slow and then our friend will
0:24:37hands says very slow for per photo operation operations and he's on a
0:24:41maxed-out iMac wife kim also we couldn't sync iCloud I just am not really sold on
0:24:47why this is something I need my life right now like the idea of being able to
0:24:51you get to any of my pictures in the photo chooser in print in like a special
0:24:55and I West that sounds appealing in principle but hearing how much it slows
0:25:00down your iOS device anytime you go to the photo cheeser that sounds freaking
0:25:04terrible and just a lot of this i must say I never use photos by any stretch of
0:25:09the imagination but it just does not sound like it's something I want my life
0:25:12right now I don't know if it's working great for me the only the only problem
0:25:16I'm seeing with it is what many people have reported in joining think you said
0:25:20it's too which is that the the photo picker takes a long time to come up for
0:25:24anything that uses that lists the photos so that the biggest time I see this is
0:25:29after I've taken a new picture on the iPhone when I want to tap on it to bring
0:25:33it up to view the picture I just took there's like a five or 10 second delay
0:25:37just nothing happened
0:25:39the phone is frozen and then it comes up that that's really seeing issues besides
0:25:45that which is annoying but not that major problem it's just a frequent
0:25:51annoyance beside that if I've had no problems and I and that's the kind of
0:25:54thing that I would imagine and hope that they would be working on it like they
0:25:59would notice that and work that out in the next version of iOS is it just
0:26:03tweets talking about the slowness in like flow is not a measure of a thing is
0:26:08like it feels slow to them and I think especially with single photo operations
0:26:11or like doing something like a wording that you think I'm not asking you to run
0:26:16some crazy you know filter blur you know there's no image effects is not a
0:26:21massive metadata please just associated keywords with these three photos right
0:26:25these people are reporting that it is quarter-on-quarter slow because they
0:26:29think that the thing that they're doing shouldn't take as long as it takes and I
0:26:32agree with them
0:26:33but we don't have any measure C you never know like will hand says it is
0:26:37very slow unperfor operations I maxed out I'm a club case is that because he
0:26:42just expects it to be really fast and I'm at my pay his operations maybe five
0:26:46times as fast as mine but he has a greater expectations because he's got a
0:26:49brand new computer and willing to accept them some sluts but bottom line is
0:26:52reception wise I think it feels slow and some other people seem to agree and I'm
0:26:57depressed that even people with small libraries and even people with much
0:27:01newer fancier computers than me
0:27:02also a feeling that operation steal slow this shouldn't be slow maybe somebody
0:27:08didn't have enough empathy for the computer and design didn't like it
0:27:12that's the type of that's kind of a design things like why might it be slow
0:27:15I can tell you from experience that once you get into the large number of items
0:27:19and a sequel a database sequel aight legalized performance characteristics
0:27:24especially for like inserts into it like a database table that has thousands or
0:27:29millions of records like just drawn that experiment database but a simple scheme
0:27:34it started sorting south and see and do a time and say how many rows can answer
0:27:38per second and watch that performance slowly slowly getting worse as you get
0:27:43into the millions of rows things get pretty grim day things you can do to
0:27:47help with that but anyway if so was using satellite data bases anywhere
0:27:51intimidation which I can imagine it is and if that has anything to do with
0:27:54keywords which I can imagine it might that might explain some of the slowness
0:27:58in large library I don't know I'm just guessing and so the computer is you know
0:28:03you like I did write seagull seagull a great day to it but I am I using the
0:28:07right tool for the job would be better to add them as extended attributes are
0:28:10as individual plist files are you know I don't know it's more of a design thing
0:28:14them to be with the computer at the micro level at the macro level empathy
0:28:19not Marco level empathy what happens when you delete a photo John in in the
0:28:26new photos that I don't know that's the thing last time I was talking about the
0:28:33prospects of using iCloud sync as a backup strategy it's like whatever
0:28:36feelings all sink to something ever goes wrong that wrong this could also sync
0:28:40all over the place and then your backups arose because they're not really back-up
0:28:43supply crate we're just did you
0:28:45have a second copy of whatever is currently in the things so whatever is
0:28:48currently in the library screwed up whatever is currently in all year
0:28:51automatically synchronize copies can also be seen so many people point out
0:28:54that if you delete a photo in the Photos app doesn't get deleted immediately goes
0:28:58into kind of like a trash type holding area and I think every 30 days before
0:29:02its per-share something which is good but mostly what I was afraid over the
0:29:06app going crazy and some thinking these photos never existed
0:29:11let me just get your not as if it thinks I deleted them by dragging into the
0:29:14trash or delete button but if it starts thinking because of some weird singing
0:29:17thing that photos of my life he just never existed in so I need to do to
0:29:22rectify I just synchronize and rectify my state of the world with what the
0:29:26state it's supposed to be in rather than it thinking that it sought to lead
0:29:30operation in synchronizing that just thinking all these photos are unaware
0:29:33that he's gained but I have no idea what they are like that's what I'm afraid of
0:29:36not so much the manually deleting things are but it is good to know that the
0:29:40holding area where you can recover from mistakes were you doing before you
0:29:44delete them as you sure you want to delete this from the cloud and
0:29:46everything on your device as it tries to tell you like this is not just the
0:29:49leading locally this is the leading everywhere and even if you do that still
0:29:52holds onto it and deleted items area to give you an out nice but I'm still a
0:29:57little bit afraid of it and I would never use it as a backup CD in speaking
0:30:00of backups god forbid something happened what do you do to restore your photo
0:30:05library from a backup and I don't know if they hadn't tried them but I thought
0:30:08about it like restoring like your iPhoto library back up just a bunch of files on
0:30:12disks if you think it's hose just don't throw out your iPhoto library go to Time
0:30:18Machine backup you super duper back-to-back plays back up or whatever
0:30:21and just like find previous version for iPhoto library which appears to be one
0:30:25file anticipated releases that pack a bundle with a folder with a bunch of
0:30:28stuff you drag it back in your back in business right what happens if your
0:30:33photos library do you have
0:30:34iCloud sync like something is wrong with it or get so is there something I can
0:30:38you just say ok one's got through that library out and Greg Newman from a
0:30:42backup and put it in place and launch it what happens it will work fine locally
0:30:47I'm sure that would work locally but what happens when you launch it and
0:30:49iCloud
0:30:51like is it aware that you just did that or is it like whoa this library and just
0:30:55does not match what I expected to do does it forcibly make it like the old
0:31:00broken one was in the woman missing data how do you recover from a back up in
0:31:05that scenario and when I was thinking about this one more reminder Mike you
0:31:09tell me when I thought oh and Time Machine like the integration between
0:31:13those first shown in a one time she was first announced in a keynote and they
0:31:16tried to show used time machine from within iPhoto and I just imagining that
0:31:20I remember that the thing where you could use Time Machine specifically
0:31:24within certain apps but I don't remember anything about I photos specifically in
0:31:28whatever happened to that like using iPhoto specifically from within certain
0:31:31that that's not a thing real hit you mean time machine within certain apps
0:31:35yeah there's probably some kind of API to nobody ever uses I don't think is a
0:31:40public API think they they showed it like you could do it within photos you
0:31:43could do with an address book there was a couple of apps the show that you could
0:31:46do it within the reason I'm thinking of that is like I'm trying to think what
0:31:50would be a safe way to take photos library that you had iCloud sync that is
0:31:56hosed in some way damaged its corrupt you asked me to his W me say actually I
0:32:01want to go back to the states things were a week ago and you go pull your
0:32:04photos library from your back up what you have is just a bunch of files and as
0:32:07you put it back in the same place the other one was and you launch photos and
0:32:11then what happens and I don't know what happens I mean I would imagine it just
0:32:15like the import process when I import my 25,000 photos I I basically had an empty
0:32:20iCloud library and I dragged them all into this app from my previous
0:32:24arrangement of files and it slowly important I'm not lower them all that I
0:32:29would imagine as long as the as long as your cloud photo library state can be
0:32:35cleared which I don't know that is easy as going to the author's view it in
0:32:39command a command early but did you do that before you told the backup I quoted
0:32:46you can't even launch photos because the library so corrupt that I like how do
0:32:49you how do you get it to understand that you wanted to launch and accept the on
0:32:55disk
0:32:56library that you pull them back up as the current state of things I honestly I
0:33:02have no idea but I but the files are all their legal the library is laid out very
0:33:06similarly to and iPhoto library yeah you could you do have the out of just
0:33:10finding all the JPEG spoiling them all out making a new empty library like what
0:33:14I think what you have to do I done this I don't address books that's why I
0:33:17thought of it like a few times the address book as garden hose in some way
0:33:21and I've been like look I have all these backed up with address book and let
0:33:24people know that spanned not address book is called contacts now sorry in the
0:33:28context application that provides they provide a way to make a complete backup
0:33:31your tire context library and please everybody do this at least once a year
0:33:35contact think it's not a reliable you'll be happy to have it so I got into a
0:33:39state or contacts were hose was actually my contacts as my wife so is more dire
0:33:44than here and I need to fix it and what I want to happen was I had a backup and
0:33:52I wanted to say look like hot just forget everything just the start over
0:33:57I'm going to i'm going to import from the library and I want you to believe
0:34:00that you have 0 contacts everywhere and that was super super hard to do because
0:34:04every time I thought I'd done it entailed import the library and
0:34:08introduce crazy merge but that was still in the cloud shows everything again took
0:34:11me so long to beat this thing is just a mission to say you have nothing start
0:34:14from zero anyway that's what are frayed over the photos library like I don't
0:34:18know what the I don't know what the restoration plan is even in this
0:34:22scenario where he say look I'm going to strike over jpegs and then just have to
0:34:26convince voters that it has nothing like just really busy can be full like the
0:34:30context of bill yet no context 0 contact your contacts everywhere everything's
0:34:33fine
0:34:34ok import and introduce crazy thing and you know so real-time follow-up from
0:34:39underscore ass underscore there is they don't think this is a basement anyway
0:34:44this page on Apple's website how do I remove all I club photo library content
0:34:48from my iCloud account and devices I noticed n go to System prefs iCloud
0:34:52manage slept for the library then select Disable and delete once you turn off
0:34:56your iCloud photo library left 30 days to download rally your library to at
0:35:00least one device
0:35:01and so that's how you do it that's good this button because that was the problem
0:35:06with Apple things like there's no button there's no place to go it just works
0:35:11it's magical but sometimes you just want like people always want I want a button
0:35:15that says no plea synchronized now and this button is the island a button that
0:35:18says just forget everything just start over 30 and by my past experience with
0:35:24my back when I think services and everything that trying to get it to
0:35:28start from zero was like basically not possible for for regular person
0:35:32sometimes you need to like a special application that like Apple internal
0:35:36people would use that would like to give it wasn't just on your machine you could
0:35:39delete everything off your machine if you could find all the secret hidden
0:35:41files and everything but there was stuff on service somewhere and you had to
0:35:44convince those servers to dump all their information and yet the nose like you
0:35:48know what what request to make the web service of authentication to convince it
0:35:51to really really reset things so I'm glad that Apple is learning and making
0:35:55this easier by putting in an actual going having a you know a Knowledge Base
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0:39:58ATP data let's talk about Apple watch experiences starting with the group
0:40:04whose I'm haha thats we were gonna start looking at those who has no idea what
0:40:09we're talking about but i wanna do this because you know one of us has a novel
0:40:14idea we want to hear about it but I put a sub item in it because someone tweeted
0:40:18at me that after wearing a bra true three days they have a group starting to
0:40:23show up on their wrists where the lil heartbeat monitor thing presses in I
0:40:27think this person may have their walk around a little bit tight I would say so
0:40:33I remember back when I wore watches that I would get a sometimes marks from the
0:40:37band or whatever I don't think this is an apple orchard problem I think this is
0:40:40a watch band possibly to type problem but it did remind me that Marco had said
0:40:45that he wasn't sure he was all that excited about the little dome on the
0:40:49bottom like feeling that rubbing into his rest so I guess we can start their
0:40:53budgets marquerite he does have a watch on like me and I'm like ok you know mine
0:40:58is i dont member when the shipping update happened but it is now due to
0:41:05arrive anytime between the very very very end of May and the Thursday I'm in
0:41:10San Francisco nice which is the most first a first world problems
0:41:14well I have just taken off my watch which I already have because I'm luckier
0:41:17than Casey and woke up earlier I just taking it off after 14 hours of learning
0:41:21it so far today and there is absolutely no sign of any dimple on top of my
0:41:27wrists were thing pushes in there is no markings from the band or anything
0:41:31so yeah I think I think Dani Sol danny is probably just wearing a too-tight
0:41:39lead maybe you have the wrong man for you most likely a test set too tightly
0:41:43reshape problems
0:41:45bone bump on his wrist there possibly another Italian like me with the weird
0:41:50reshape earth and also appears that he's wearing on his right hand I don't know
0:41:54that make a difference probably not as the Domus entered in the watch so
0:41:57probably is not is not the issue
0:41:59one thing I did fine with the with the tightness of the bands I ordered have
0:42:03been initially in order to get on day one the only configuration again on day
0:42:07one at the time I that the store should have for me was the Milanese loop I i
0:42:12was interested in it but I wasn't planning on ordering on day one but it
0:42:16got that and so I had that for a few days since then I actually met up with a
0:42:21nice guy in Connecticut who wanted the Milanese loop and had the one I wanted
0:42:26which was the black leather classical the one just looks like every other
0:42:29letter watched up ever made I traded with him for that so I have now had a
0:42:34couple days with each of those couple days known as couples across buckle I
0:42:39like them both a lot
0:42:40first of all they're both really nice spans the classic buckle is extremely
0:42:45lightweight and and probably the softest in line at besides maybe that's more
0:42:48bands it is just a very comfortable band known as is a lot better than I thought
0:42:53it was thought would be when I ordered it would really is extremely nice it is
0:42:59it is a really kind of split the difference between formal informally it
0:43:02is not too for Miller to blame here too flashy it really is extremely nice I I
0:43:08was very happy with the known as it did it does not picture arm hair but a lot
0:43:12of people think it think that lets do the Milanese does not the only thing you
0:43:16gotta be careful when you're putting it on is the part that overlaps back on
0:43:19itself so it's like sandwiched together you can you can get arms are here speaks
0:43:23in that when you put it on so just be careful that and you'll find the
0:43:27Milanese also i think is the coolest on you because like the air can flow
0:43:32through it and it's not letters to you are there or the floor with a stammer
0:43:37sticking to you the way that does so I would say it's the coolest it the reason
0:43:41I didn't want to keep it is because I was getting some some skinny
0:43:45tuition late in the day after we're here for a long time and some people mention
0:43:49this is an issue with metal for them alot and I don't think it's a nickel
0:43:52allergy based on some quick research but just some skin irritation I was getting
0:43:57it's a lot like crazy at the end of the day and that doesn't happen with leather
0:44:02so I'm glad I switched but they're both very nice bands I I would have been very
0:44:06happy with known as if not for that issue so overall I can recommend I will
0:44:10say though I have had an issue with both of them in how tightly I wear it because
0:44:17it if you wear it super tight I don't find that very comfortable if you if you
0:44:23wear it a little bit loose on yourself not so it's like a rolling around but
0:44:27but just so it's just so it's more comfortable it makes it harder to feel
0:44:30the tactic taps and that i've i've had that issue a lot where I just miss that
0:44:35happen like I just it it does that mean I just don't feel it and then later on
0:44:40I'll identity my little daughter as I miss identification and and I i know
0:44:45there's been an issue that has a report earlier today there's been an issue with
0:44:48faulty tactic engines that might be the reason why they were short stock and
0:44:56they watch launch I don't think minus faulty it seems to work just fine it
0:45:00just isn't it isn't extremely strong it's like moderate strength and so to
0:45:05fix that problem and I have it on the highest strength setting it's still not
0:45:09that strong I have there's a setting that that's that basically plays like a
0:45:14strong vibration before any tactical alert so it like vibrate and then tap
0:45:19tap I've enabled that for most of them had and that has helped a lot that makes
0:45:23me feel every time but now that I I will frequently miss them and i think is a
0:45:28little bit looser than than that I'm supposed to be because I don't like the
0:45:32feeling of it digging into my breasts so strongly but it doesn't seem
0:45:35unreasonable lose again I guess not
0:45:37it can't get misaligned you can't roll back on the side of my wrist like it's
0:45:40not that loose so have you done your like your heart rate or whatever like to
0:45:46do that's that's the reason I think people want to have it on tightly they
0:45:50want to accurate readings from the
0:45:52biometric monitors and if you're not looking at that and you don't really
0:45:55care of those except for feeling of operations but have you ever looked at
0:45:58your heart rate and see if it's like reasonable crazy I have not but it is
0:46:02tracking my activity lot and it does register the exercise time so it has in
0:46:09its built-in rings of activity it has the the calories which are related to
0:46:14steps I think and standing and it has the middle ring which is the one I
0:46:18always failed to get the middle ring is as time spent exercising and that is
0:46:23like in time an elevated heartbeat and that seems to be measuring the actual
0:46:29realized how much spending a few measuring that fairly accurately for me
0:46:33throughout the day I don't actually use the workout app to measure like my heart
0:46:37rate as a workout because I don't work out so I'm not a good person asked about
0:46:42that but it seems like I'm not wearing it so loosely that would be a problem so
0:46:47the lump thing isn't bothering you basically you are intentionally making
0:46:50it a little bit looser so the so it doesn't bother you that I'm wearing it
0:46:55at the looseness level I'm wearing it at not because the lumping because just the
0:46:59entire strap like the lump thing is not a limiting factor in the comfort here
0:47:03for me I thought I thought it would be just you don't you don't feel the strap
0:47:07like squeezing your ass basically exactly that's all it is and I found
0:47:11with the classic buckle there are two holes that work for me
0:47:15oh god it's gonna be a terrible title one of them like this really snug one on
0:47:20one of the guys just come now we heard doubt that we can talk about the watch
0:47:25okay so anyway yes I found one that works for me is also really nice because
0:47:30you could make smaller adjustments than any other band in the lineup so if you
0:47:36want to be like a little bit tighter little bit looser you can you can align
0:47:40it to any of those rows of the woman links you can just like slide it over by
0:47:44one row so you can really but it's like a toaster dials you never know exactly
0:47:50how was last time I don't know all the liberals look the same I assume before
0:47:55having it at that would annoy the crap out of me and I did figure throughout
0:47:59the day I die would frequently change it like little micro adjustment throughout
0:48:03the day like to tweak it a little bit
0:48:05I didn't feel like that was annoying to me as much as I would have thought I
0:48:10don't love about the book I don't love how you know just like any other watch
0:48:14you can set it down to put it on the like like hold your hand against able to
0:48:19put it up against your leg or something like that but you can't quite do it
0:48:23freehand very well in mid-air known as I have that problem I also don't like the
0:48:28classic buckle that you know just like any other website a little little loop
0:48:32that holds the tail at the excess still holds it on the band I keep like
0:48:38slipping out of that keeps catching on things like that so I I might have given
0:48:43level of another try at some point the future but so far I'm very happy with
0:48:47this overall how many times I've taken off today the Milanese because I had at
0:48:52first a little more paranoid I was I was taking off my right to wash the dishes
0:48:57or anything like that
0:48:59now now that you know i i notified the letter one for a couple days I'm a
0:49:03little more confident in a little more familiar with it so now I'm just keepin
0:49:06on all day I took it off just now just so I could take a look at my identity or
0:49:12lack thereof of my wrist from the follow-up but obviously been holding out
0:49:17so it's not a big deal so how is that affecting your life if at all so again I
0:49:25I had not before this I did not wanna watch since high school I like like so
0:49:30many people especially among among geeks like us like so many people I thought
0:49:35would you watch for I have had my phone in my pocket that always tells the time
0:49:40turns out having a watch to tell time is actually really nice guy I know the
0:49:47washable are all like coming betrayed tell you that for years you know but
0:49:51that was news to most of us geeks who who who who have been in oberly
0:49:57pragmatically what we have this clock in our pockets all the time
0:50:00get turns out the the move from pocket watches wristwatches a nine years ago
0:50:04there was good reason behind that I don't think I've ever looked at my phone
0:50:10to see what
0:50:10time it is done during the day feels like the the geek I think the proof for
0:50:17people to tell the time is slowly to the upper right of your field of vision in
0:50:24the menu bar called a screen with the times in the menu bar I cannot think of
0:50:29a time that I have looked at my phone when I you know during work or you know
0:50:33during home like is this is the only place I'm sitting in my house there is a
0:50:37clock in my sight lines intentionally so I know what time it is right and when
0:50:42I'm sitting at my computer there's a clock in my sight lines all the time and
0:50:45no those scenarios to ever reach for my iOS device which is also probably in
0:50:49reach to check the time but many people on the go outside you don't have a
0:50:53clocking a sideline they do use their phones and I think certainly call
0:50:57tweeted earlier that someone had asked what time it was and she fished out of
0:51:00the time while wearing the old habits die hard
0:51:04well that's the thing is I was just about to say that even though I am more
0:51:08often than not in front of either an iOS device or computer no matter what I'm
0:51:14doing if I need to look at the time my first reaction is to look at my wrist
0:51:20and of course their times I'll get my wireless device will get the upper
0:51:24right-hand corner of the screen but generally speaking or maybe the cable
0:51:28box like you were saying john but generally speaking the first place I
0:51:31look to find the time as my wrist the cable box come on I forgot with whom I'm
0:51:37speaking but BS so I stopped wearing a watch for a few years I've worn one
0:51:41pretty much all my life and then after after I got an iPhone knows that you
0:51:46know this is redundant in Philly and I don't need to worry about this and then
0:51:49I think like the battery my watch died or something like that and so wasn't
0:51:52worth fixing inside my phone and then about a year to die started wearing a
0:51:56cheap watch again and and i'm glad because I like having the time of my
0:52:00wrist and I'm excited
0:52:02probably after 2 p.m. Dec to have more than just might be the tie my wrists so
0:52:07we'll see what happens but but I am feeling quite smug Marcos decided that
0:52:12this watch thing isn't so bad because I do believe I tried to tell you mark that
0:52:15having something dangling on your wrist really is not the end of the world I
0:52:18wonder how easy it is to rewire
0:52:20these things like the people who have the ingrained habits of going for their
0:52:24their their phone their pockets of time how long will take them to retrain like
0:52:28to look at the rest I'm also thinking alike for the risky move for Apple watch
0:52:32where is you have imagined a lot of them will become accustomed to a slightly
0:52:37exaggerated motion to really ensure that the White House Speaker seen the worst
0:52:42did you bring it up and it doesn't activate sort of like a day maybe
0:52:45training themselves into that have been the reason I think about these habits
0:52:47and how easy they are changes I know basically cents per half my life at this
0:52:52point when and where my contact lenses I often take my finger and push my glasses
0:52:58up the bridge of my nose when there are no glasses they're basically I'm putting
0:53:02myself between my eyes with my finger and I had contact lenses since I guess
0:53:08the middle school basically as young as I can possibly get them so I am NOT new
0:53:12to the experience of not wearing glasses nevertheless every time I am wearing my
0:53:16contact lenses I will at least ones pushing my glasses up the bridge of my
0:53:20nose that are not there
0:53:22yeah that's understandable in when I went from being a not watch we're back
0:53:27to watch where it only took me a few days maybe a week to start looking at my
0:53:32wrist again to find the time I mean I thought this would be a longer
0:53:35adjustment for me so far and and so far it really hasn't been along doesn't like
0:53:39I it was the a couple days that now looking for the time and and I'm
0:53:43enjoying I mean an end to the risk detection thing really try to take when
0:53:46you move your wrist up to turn the screen on I've had mixed success of that
0:53:50that that still needs some work overall if it works for me about three-quarters
0:53:56of the time but that's like 25 percent failure rate is not good so that they
0:54:02could still use some improvement and you know it's it's certainly exacerbated the
0:54:08screen has to turn off so quickly
0:54:10oftentimes I will I'll try to do that the motion to show the time and it will
0:54:16get misinterpreting it as first things I flipped a wrist and then things I didn't
0:54:21and so it the screen on for a split second it turns back off again that
0:54:24they'd like cancels it you're looking at it wrong Marco ya exam so i i dont that
0:54:30party could use some work but
0:54:33overall I really do like it a lot I I like the way it looks like the way the
0:54:38watch face looks I've looked at other watches the ever since Apple may launch
0:54:43Apple announced they were going to watch I've been looking around at what other
0:54:48people think are really good watches and and every time I passed like a watch
0:54:52store in the mall I look in the window and look at the watches their look at
0:54:57the airport stores that are all crazy everything and when I look at other
0:55:02watches I'd I have never really seen anything that I thought was really good
0:55:07looking and I i no there there are some out there I'm sure was gonna send me
0:55:11their the picture of the water they think is good looking and say oh you
0:55:14didn't see this one and right but I never looked at any the watch and said I
0:55:20really want that and this one i I look at this on my wrist the way of setup I
0:55:25use the utility faced with with a fairly minimal set of complications on it and
0:55:33the way the way this looks to me is really nice I really enjoy just the way
0:55:37to watch face looks just as a timepiece I enjoy it and the other the other
0:55:41functions it does are really great too but even just that part I am extremely
0:55:46satisfied with because I i i i just like it for some reason I was like it I will
0:55:51often look at I'm just just to enjoy how the watch face looks I will say they're
0:55:57the complications of the little features you can add a show like temperature or
0:56:01your calendar events or whatever and various areas of the faces I share a
0:56:06similar opinion as I believe Justin snow heard about this and casey you did as
0:56:10well
0:56:11the complications are mixed bag I think many of them are very useful
0:56:16most of them I would have some designed week to in general I am I'm like 90%
0:56:23satisfied with the watch face availability that I have but that last
0:56:2710% kind of a killer if I if I prefer a digital watch face I think I'd be a
0:56:33little bit less satisfied because additional options are not that great
0:56:35one of my favorite concepts of the watch face is the solar image shows the big
0:56:40like arc of the Sun throughout the day that I like knowing somebody have less I
0:56:44know when I like when I can walk my dog
0:56:46and be in the daylight basically and that watch faces frustrating because
0:56:50there's no complications so if you want to also show the temperature on screen
0:56:54or also show anything else on screen with that face you can't do it there's
0:56:58no there's no customization that face furthermore if you're on that face and I
0:57:02think one or two others I think the immune system anyway if you're on that
0:57:06face if you hit if you scroll the wheel slightly on the digital crown while
0:57:12you're trying to hit it to go to the home screen any slight school is
0:57:16interpreted as you're moving the Sun around and watch face and it canceled
0:57:20the button push and so you're like stuck in the watch face and that I found that
0:57:25very error prone as used in that phase where I i kept accidentally scrolling
0:57:29slightly when I touched the wheel and not being able to go to the home screen
0:57:33I wanted so that was frustrating but for the most part once I found what I wanted
0:57:38which was the utility face I'm I'm very happy with with with it as a watch it is
0:57:43really quite nice again you know like you like UKC in and like Jason I
0:57:48wouldn't I would make some small changes to the complications like that they're
0:57:52like the empty state for things like the timer or when there's an event where the
0:57:57counter thing but there's when you have nothing for the day it says no events in
0:58:01these big letters like him just be blank
0:58:04you know stuff like that like that the blank states of these things could use
0:58:06some help I have mine set with a with a timer at the bottom there people start
0:58:12time are fully guaranteed cooking something and the timer when you when
0:58:16nothing is set it had little timer icon next to has the word set which is done
0:58:21just have the timer icon why do the words set I know that when it's empty
0:58:25you tap it a breeze the time that's great why you that so I do like having
0:58:30these things on the watch face I do recommend if you're if you're going to
0:58:35watch for setting up I do recommend keeping it simple and that could be
0:58:39personal preference but I i find that i'm happier the less stuff is on my
0:58:45watch face and the fewer classes I'm using
0:58:48and the advantage of this information density reason there's stress reasons
0:58:52but just like this also battery reasons to have a list of updating all the time
0:58:55and it's also easier to navigate when you only have a few things that you
0:58:59really care about its easier to see it easier to school with fewer things so I
0:59:03recommend keeping your watch set up very simple but young people will figure out
0:59:07for themselves I think about repair ability because i fix it has had a tear
0:59:13down and it was I felt like it was fairly surprising even knowing full well
0:59:19that this thing was not large and is going to be jam-packed I was stunned by
0:59:25how much stuff is crammed into that little tiny case especially since my
0:59:30recollection of trying on the watch is this that they were not terribly heavy I
0:59:35mean the link bracelet wait quite a bit but the watch it's the one watches
0:59:39themselves were not terribly heavy and Josh there's a lot of stuff in there so
0:59:45they do we think that the s1 is going to be upgradeable in the future
0:59:50this tear down think your member of the deficit tear down is everything is
0:59:54doomed way in so no matter how large the devices they fill the frame with the
0:59:59thing so it seems like you know because I i've only about it in person actually
1:00:06on somebody instead of in a store still haven't gone to trial but anyway there's
1:00:10too much smaller than I thought they would be like all the apples pictures
1:00:13they look huge many people have bought the 42 and thought they have mistakenly
1:00:17got the the smaller size 38 or whatever it is because they're smaller than you
1:00:23think and so it is I think the pictures like wow that stuff in there
1:00:27the key thing is not look at all that stuff the key thing is look how small
1:00:29that stuff is because of the zoomed out her reasonable length you'd realize that
1:00:33a microscopic those things are consumed way into making tire watch build the
1:00:37frame so that's the thing that strikes me that it seems like a lot of stuff is
1:00:41like oh this is you know it's like a little TV dinner you have component
1:00:45component being points even those components like the size of like
1:00:48pinheads you know microscopic so it's an amazing feat of miniaturisation but yeah
1:00:54looking at the end of the show is looking at the S one module the little
1:00:58sort of the S one of the key component could be replaceable here's what I think
1:01:03sad to say
1:01:03when they got the s1 model out of the wash putting this mess out as a
1:01:07destructive procedure but after ripping out some solder connectors we got our
1:01:10first real look at the s1 despite rumors in hopes of an upgradeable prague the
1:01:14difficulty of removing the s1 alone cast serious doubt on the idea of simply
1:01:17swapping out the internals I think that is usually pretty good about doing
1:01:22surgery on Apple devices and getting them apart getting the pieces out and
1:01:25they're saying basically to get the s1 out you have to just a rip off a bunch
1:01:30of things like it is destructive process but suppose you could just about all the
1:01:33guts like just you know shuttle I can always turn everything out of it and
1:01:38just put entirely new cuts inside it but even that look like the type of thing
1:01:42that you would want to be done with precision tools in a factory by people
1:01:46who'd you know people are machines that do the same operations you know hundreds
1:01:50of times a day rather than just having someone in the back room scrape the
1:01:53stuff out to even look like to reseed all these things and Riku and see all
1:01:58these things and reconnect all these connectors
1:02:01into not even available wanted to have internal swaps it does not look like if
1:02:08they offer that service I would be like thanks but no thanks I really don't want
1:02:11to go to this thing called out and tried to be replaced just never be the same
1:02:15again
1:02:16yeah I mean it it's like he got like a laptop repair that's not quite prepared
1:02:19right and likes unlike some steam doesn't quite live up at the China se
1:02:24Marco yeah good luck with that but that was a bit of pre unibody days that was a
1:02:29real problem is I opened up three per unibody laptops and they never go back
1:02:33together
1:02:34the right way like the unibody 10 March 13 that we got the disk looks like one
1:02:38of those things where it's like it's a one-way operations symbol CEO it's your
1:02:43thing maybe they could do the battery cuz that's kind of on the outside but I
1:02:47even get worried about like because the sierra take the screen part off like
1:02:50it's not visible screws that hold the screen on its I guess just glued and
1:02:54they just kind of like heat up the glue and private thing off in like really I
1:02:59mean it's the same way through the windshield stuck under car just you know
1:03:02much much much smaller I suppose so i guess its own I just feel nervous about
1:03:08things that are connected with adhesive I trust the factory sort of the factory
1:03:13CEO of putting you know even for windshield like it when she was putting
1:03:18my car and a factor under control conditions under open the ideal
1:03:21conditions and yes if you get a crack in your when should you hire someone to
1:03:25come and take it off and put on a new one and I'll do it you know while you're
1:03:29at work inside the parking garage that's not ideal conditions are heating up the
1:03:33heat up to the right temperature is everything just it bothers me as an anal
1:03:37retentive person but anyway looking into this thing I'm thinking this was not
1:03:42designed to have the internal swapped and even if it could be done I would not
1:03:46wanted under my watch
1:03:47yeah I mean if you look at like basically all of the components are on
1:03:51top of the s1 yes what is at the bottom and take it out you have to basically
1:03:58take everything out of the watch later Porsche Boxster
1:04:02ok change the engine out of the car that isn't true is that no it is not but I'm
1:04:08going with a partial people to come and yell at me but now it for a min engine
1:04:12cars it is just much harder to get the parts you need to get out so the labor
1:04:16costs for doing stuff like that so yeah I i would not based on based on how the
1:04:22watch is laid out internally and all these different parts you have to
1:04:24disconnect and move and go around in order to pull the s1 out I i'm with
1:04:30China thing i think is this is clearly designed to be a one-man operation I
1:04:34don't think anything is going to be offered for upgrading these to the next
1:04:39city St or whatever I don't even for the additions I don't see it happen
1:04:43and I think Apple solution is going to be just like their solution for
1:04:47everything else they make which is this is today's model and then eventually
1:04:50we're gonna have a new model and if you want you can recycle your old one
1:04:54yeah we were talking about the chances of Apple offering a great ability
1:04:58specifically with respect to the addition because it's so darn expensive
1:05:01and who's going to spend all that money only to spend all that money again in
1:05:03three years right so that would be the highest chance of having a parade
1:05:06ability we talked about the reasons they wouldn't because it's just not the Apple
1:05:10way and if you can afford one
1:05:12tend to $20,000 wat you can certainly afford to me like all these reasons one
1:05:18of the reasons we didn't discuss was that these things gonna be so darn small
1:05:21apples gonna wanna wage everything in that it possibly can and it came down to
1:05:27a decision between we could make it a little bit smaller but it would make it
1:05:31much much harder or impossible to do a component swap Apple it always say make
1:05:37it a little bit smaller like they're never optimizing for like just look at
1:05:40go through the iFixit guide for the past five or 10 years or however long I think
1:05:44that's been around probably not ten years
1:05:46look at how much sort of empty space and extra stuff they used to be inside Apple
1:05:51laptops for instance and compare it to the MacBook one tear down where I don't
1:05:55have one of those things to do but they did that they like nothing in there
1:05:58there is no like the number of pieces like they just want to get everything
1:06:02else that any kind of sort of framing mechanism more like caged your guard or
1:06:07severance they just want to get everything out of there just squished
1:06:10down till all there is like a lumen and battery motherboard like every anything
1:06:14that is not essential has been removed including key travel report so that you
1:06:19don't like it when it comes down to it can we went more stuff in yes by
1:06:23sacrificing the ease of repair totally do it and so that is that's kind of what
1:06:29we're talking about Apple's not going to do this but this is another aspect of
1:06:31why this is not the Apple way I guess they still could on the addition say
1:06:35give us your additional to the yank out all the insides and put it all new guys
1:06:38they could do that like the same way that you know casey's MacBook Air could
1:06:42be sent away to what they called the depot repair center
1:06:44the magical fairyland where the Grinch takes a Christmas tree perot-like you
1:06:48can send your computer there too and then like something happen
1:06:53feels better to like are we gonna send out for repairing you eat you can
1:06:56imagine that repair facility is much nicer and cleaner and staffed by
1:07:00precision nano machines and robots and like but it's not it's just different
1:07:04people in a different room anyway for years I I still say Apple could within
1:07:12the realm of reason say by all means bring us back your $70,000 watch will
1:07:17take the inside out and put in the insides of the Apple iPad 2 which
1:07:20happens to have the same external case they could probably work well but even
1:07:24Apple went like when they do these deeper repairs and everything a lot of
1:07:27times like the stuff that i fix it will do I try to remove a battery that the
1:07:31glued to the case for instance Apple doesn't do that they replace the whole
1:07:35but the whole
1:07:36hokay section like that like they don't Apple does not take extreme measures and
1:07:42their repair departments to disassemble things like that they're just like you
1:07:47know super glued in there in like you're never gonna get it out like they don't
1:07:49do that either they're just replacing more of it and charging you for it
1:07:52especially batteries because if you bend it or poking her like you know punctured
1:07:56her like the batteries become big flaming things very quickly so very very
1:08:00carefully but for other things like they do have like I seem to recall someone
1:08:06telling me they were taking the IMAX screens off and not getting dust behind
1:08:10them they have like rigs to take the screen off easily and repeatedly and
1:08:15like blow out all the dust and all those other things to try you know things that
1:08:19may be beyond what a regular person can do the repair depot the back of the
1:08:25Apple store may be better equipped to do because they have special purpose tools
1:08:27just for this thing but but yet reached the limit where they say well it
1:08:30actually since we're the repair depot we don't need to carefully remove items
1:08:34from I don't be we just take the entire like top case thing we get you a new top
1:08:38case or bottom case or whatever that that's that is much more straightforward
1:08:42that's why I think for the edition watches as they were gonna do it they
1:08:45would take everything out of this and accept the gold indicates and take
1:08:48entirely new insides with entirely new screen entirely new South Park whistle
1:08:52everything is a go slap it in there and just like one sealed age I think that is
1:08:56still possible given the iFixit teardown but not likely for all the other reasons
1:09:01we talked about
1:09:01in the past about going to buy a new one so you will I think at best we would see
1:09:07something that is basically a recycling program maybe with a better name maybe
1:09:12with better rates for that for me just the editions so maybe they have to have
1:09:16traded thing but I don't think they're going to get back the same watchu
1:09:19treated with you stuff inside I think you might get back a brand new watch and
1:09:24you might get some token rebate for the open the etrade it and and even that if
1:09:29they if they never do that I wouldn't be surprised and it wouldn't be a big deal
1:09:32but if I can do anything like that he didn't customer that that's the former
1:09:35would take it wouldn't it wouldn't be you get back the same case with new
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1:12:53Microsoft had their first day of I think it was the first day of their build
1:12:58conference which is kind of Microsoft WPC when suddenly takes place in moscow
1:13:03any West there were a couple of big announcements I was interested in the
1:13:09first one was Visual Studio code now despite the fact that this has Visual
1:13:15Studio in the name in a lot of ways it is not the traditional visual studio but
1:13:20what's interesting about it is one way or another regardless of the name
1:13:23it is cross-platform it will run on August and it will run on Linux and it
1:13:27will run on Windows key and Visual Studio code at a glance looks like Adam
1:13:34the editor that we talked about quite a long time ago that was written by get
1:13:38hub it it looks like it looks like Adam but with a little bit of Microsoft
1:13:45player on it and that's not necessarily a bad thing in fact one of the really
1:13:50appealing things to it is that has really get intellisense and in case you
1:13:53don't know what intelligence is it's the code completion and the little tool tip
1:13:59that pops up that helps you complete code and as someone who's worked on
1:14:03Xcode a fair bit and makes his living working in Visual Studio I can tell you
1:14:09that
1:14:10intellisense is light years better than anything Xcode has to offer and I've
1:14:15news two clips for years and years and years thank goodness but I don't
1:14:19remember eclipse being any better anyway so it looks just like Adam well come to
1:14:24find out it actually is Adam in some way shape or form and I really dug into the
1:14:30mechanism by which all this is held together by there is at least a part of
1:14:36Adam included in the package that is Visual Studio code I did try Visual
1:14:41Studio coed I tried it shortly after was it came out and one of the things that
1:14:47promised is really really good note support which as you guys while now I've
1:14:51been really interested in lately and that's what my blog is running on this
1:14:54note and I went to download I downloaded it no problem I ran it no problem I
1:15:02opened up my project my camel project and one of the first things I did was
1:15:10try to run and I tried to run it and I got a message saying well you can't
1:15:18because you don't have mono installed
1:15:21K one case you're not familiar mono is the cross-platform csharp compiler that
1:15:27will compile to host annual compiled and Extension Center and all the libraries
1:15:32associated with with it so its cross-platform dotnet to just tired for
1:15:36a month and it also makes it hard for months and you get it by kissing people
1:15:39so so it says only don't have mono installed ok fine so I brew install mono
1:15:46and I get I forget what version it is that I got but I tried to run again
1:15:52debug again and it's a no really you don't have money so I was tweeting in
1:15:59general and also tweeting at code which is the Twitter handle that Microsoft
1:16:03somehow god I know how they landed that but I tweeted it code and said you know
1:16:08was saying oh this is weird is not working right now working right well
1:16:11within an hour or two
1:16:13the guy that was in the introductory video I think it's Chris Davis I
1:16:18probably pronounced it wrong and I'm sorry but the guy who was in the intro
1:16:21video is trading at me saying hey hey have you tried this have you tried that
1:16:24but like can you imagine walking out of an apple WPGC presentation help the
1:16:32keynote in trying something and then that re keys tweeted yet you saying oh
1:16:38did you try this thing or the other thing what that's amazing that means
1:16:43that means Microsoft is hungry it does no you're absolutely right
1:16:46Microsoft is showing hostile take less than Apple its so true so anyway so come
1:16:51to find out that Chris had a couple of really good pointers and it turns out
1:16:56that I had two copies of mono on my computer I not sure when or how I
1:17:01installed the first one but I had and so I uninstalled the brew version of the
1:17:10homebrew version and install the other one
1:17:12reinstall the homebrew version and sure enough to begin work immediately I had
1:17:16put a post on my website a while back about new deep ugh which is a kind of
1:17:22sort of hockey but still really nice to bugger that works with the chrome
1:17:26web inspection tools I tried that in the past I really liked it
1:17:30this is so much better though because this is even though it is in no way
1:17:34actually Visual Studio except in name it felt kinda similar to Visual Studio like
1:17:42I hit f5 which by the way I have been apt to the keyboard brightness I don't
1:17:47have it mapped to be ex excuse me up five and sure enough it figured it out
1:17:51and said okay I'm gonna go to bug and it worked really well and I've only played
1:17:56with it for a few minutes but I i didnt really really impress it has did
1:18:00integration right there it has marked down preview and somebody tweeted at the
1:18:05group earlier today I want to see is reached evil but somebody tweeted it
1:18:08River saying hey did you ever think ten years ago that Microsoft would ship free
1:18:12editor a free kinda sorta IDE for the Mac that does mark down preview and
1:18:17Cooper was like of course under way and it's true I mean it's it's it's really
1:18:21impressive it's a really impressive appt a little bit of getting it going but in
1:18:27the grand scheme of things I really like it I know everyone loves their own text
1:18:31editor I'm not saying it's better than any other this is not a vinyl is better
1:18:34kind of situation I'm just saying it's worth checking out in Marco I tweeted at
1:18:40you earlier tonight I thought I know if you thought that they even have PHP like
1:18:44syntax highlighting and all that
1:18:45which may or may not be very exciting but I do I was impressed that it was
1:18:49that supportive of all flavors of programming language is rather than
1:18:55strictly speaking the Microsoft stuff yeah I mean this is this is clearly like
1:19:00you know part of the new Microsoft realizing like you know the fight that
1:19:04they they can and should be fighting the fight that they have already lost and
1:19:08and where they can see where they can still have great value where they can
1:19:12hustle and and this seems like a pretty good movie overall I mean that my main
1:19:17question here is will this will the state thing you will be followed through
1:19:23on and will it stay at think that's where Microsoft has recently not done
1:19:27that well and and not even that recently in the last 10 years has had a hard time
1:19:32like following through on stuff and they thought that fall through the things
1:19:36they did succeeded in gaining traction
1:19:39I mean that's been the problem I think it's like if one of those things caught
1:19:42fire you sure bet they thought they would love to fall through but they're
1:19:45being kind of ruthless in like if it doesn't catch on
1:19:49ok let's try something else like all these things are not moves that are done
1:19:54from someone in a position of strength it's kind of like Apple they're not as
1:19:57bad apple was in the nineties obviously but when you are in a corner and when
1:20:02you're behind you can't afford to do the old Microsoft Way of like you know not
1:20:07invented here syndrome or gonna do everything ourselves so why are they
1:20:10using electron which is the framework that helps run out of their Adam
1:20:15products a built-in electronics all anyway why we're using this web based
1:20:20framework that uses Google's web browser engine under the covers to make quote
1:20:26unquote native applications using a web rendering engine technology like why do
1:20:30we write our own letter we have done we have our own editor we wrote Visual
1:20:33Studio like you can't get enough time you need if you want to do this thing we
1:20:37have an idea we have the strategy we talked about it a bit it's gonna let us
1:20:39do is cross platform stuff you want to have an editor I want people that people
1:20:43develop on the Mac can we make a new Mac editor from scratch
1:20:46no we don't have time we'd like how fast can we get to market and the old
1:20:50Microsoft was too proud or you know too stubborn to to do what they're doing now
1:20:57which is like well we can get the market pretty quickly if you use Open Source
1:20:59engine that get how to use to make it that they give us a huge head start and
1:21:04maybe it's not as nice as the real Visual Studio editor but we're not gonna
1:21:08put that to the Mac and even if we did it would be kind of credit so let's do
1:21:12what it takes to get off the ground and just like Apple was like can we make
1:21:16operating system we tried three times in the dinner were committed by somebody
1:21:20and that's what they did we can we use the Windows indeed colonel can we buy
1:21:23bequeathed by next they made the right move there but this is not something
1:21:28that that you do when you're in the driver's seat if anything this is
1:21:32something you do when you're behind and its smart and expedient but it's also
1:21:37I'm not gonna say it smells of panic but it's it's kind of sad to see like one of
1:21:44those made some great was like they thought we can do everything ourselves
1:21:47and they they really could do everything themselves usually a reasonably good job
1:21:52of it
1:21:52the new Microsoft doesn't have time to do everything itself which is probably a
1:21:57good thing but you know they didn't make him get home made Adam didn't make
1:22:03electron get how did they didn't make the chrome engine you know Google did
1:22:07and Apple made WebKit and like the value they're adding their market trying to
1:22:12add value where they can but they are standing on the shoulders of all the
1:22:16other companies that used to that they used to be the Giants and now they're
1:22:19standing on the shoulders all these other companies someone should mean
1:22:21exist when Microsoft ruled the roost
1:22:24it's very true this visual studio code thing I really dig it in the very very
1:22:30brief amount of time spent with it and it is far and away the best no debugger
1:22:34I've tried but I'm a very immature note programmers so there may be some other
1:22:39packager product out there and just not aware of but their common that name
1:22:44no debugger don't even know where to go from here so that was Visual Studio code
1:22:53you should definitely try doubts free download it's it's worth at least
1:22:55checking out the other really interesting thing that they talked about
1:23:00which unfortunately we haven't heard a lot of technical details about yet is
1:23:05two different projects one of them is called island would and the other
1:23:09Astoria cover those in reverse project story is a to allow Android apps Iran on
1:23:17I believe it was Windows Phone only and this is vaguely similar to what
1:23:22blackberry did way back when
1:23:23and basically any apk so any Android app that's been built that doesn't use any
1:23:33other proprietary Google stuff so my my understanding of Android is that there's
1:23:38the Android Open Source project
1:23:40and then as a Supercenter subset of that out as an addition to that is the Google
1:23:49mobile services which has things like Google Maps and things of that nature if
1:23:53yer apt strictly stays within the API's that are part of the open-source Android
1:23:58then you can take your APK drop it in Windows and it will run supposedly no
1:24:05problem
1:24:06the thing that I haven't been made clear though is is this how is this working
1:24:11from a technical perspective in in I don't know if this is like a wine kind
1:24:15of situation was a back room for wine leak something is not windows or
1:24:20something like that but anyway the wine is the app that allows you to run win32
1:24:27on Linux and wine is not an emulator that's going to be my guess that's what
1:24:35I was thinking I thank you that that's what I was thinking anyway so I don't
1:24:40know this is like a wine sort of thing or not I'm not sure what the mechanism
1:24:42is for this working under the hood but supposedly you'll be able to run certain
1:24:47apks in Windows without any modification whatsoever so any thoughts on that
1:24:54before I move on the island what am I get this is one of those noted on those
1:24:57days where an announcement is made on the day that we record the notice that I
1:25:01really had time to read about this stuff or watch the thing but my understanding
1:25:04from watching tweets from people I think you know what they're talking about is
1:25:07that the the iOS compatibility is you take your source code and you can pilot
1:25:13we're not there yet we're only talking about injury might help of I'm comparing
1:25:18and contrasting you take your choice going to compile it and the Android one
1:25:22is you take your Android app and you run it and that's different like even if you
1:25:27have the source here and I don't think that's how it works I don't think they
1:25:30say I'll pick your Android app and compile it like so that the mix that
1:25:33that's a big difference in how they're gonna implement things if you're not
1:25:36recompiling it that means binary compatibility but of course the Android
1:25:40apps are written
1:25:41the dow victory against the Del McCoury band which is there don't call a job a
1:25:45job of the M so the bytecode involved so why would they need to recompile it if
1:25:50it got by code they can run it
1:25:52JDM spec can probably expect car or something that they can reverse engineer
1:25:56or read documentation for so it's much more straightforward and it's not like
1:26:00wine because it's not native code to begin with it's you know it's the job of
1:26:05bytecode stuff interesting points you chose so that's i think thats how
1:26:09they're getting away with you don't have to recompile it's not source
1:26:12compatibility and it's not like a wine where they like stepping out a bunch of
1:26:16things it's like they're they're just implementing the Java Virtual Machine
1:26:20and the API is that it links against I guess but you don't have to just take
1:26:24your binary and running this is again from from not having watched a
1:26:27presentation just seeing people's tweets this is my understanding and yes I let
1:26:30the cat out of the bag with the IRS thing which everybody knows by now
1:26:32they're doing that entirely differently that you have to have your source code
1:26:36and then you can pilot against a bunch of their libraries which are not apples
1:26:40libraries but hopefully have all the same API compatible and good luck with
1:26:44that right so that's the island would think in in just like jon said you can
1:26:49take an Xcode project and suck it into Visual Studio and and then recompile it
1:26:54against a quote a middleware layer quotes and apparently the magic happens
1:27:00and then you've got a window into not only is a Windows app it's a universal
1:27:06Windows apps presumably it can run on the desktop can run on a tablet it can
1:27:12run on the phone you can just about anywhere thats Windows what I really
1:27:17interested to see is what exactly is doing all of this and it's worth
1:27:22pointing out the subjective see only as well what is this middleware layer how
1:27:26is held together what is really going on here but I did read in our study will
1:27:31link this in the show notes I think I read it on are stacking up somewhere I
1:27:35have read that not only does this island would support just general kinda sorta
1:27:42cross compilation but it even supports UIKit and even more importantly than
1:27:47that
1:27:48at or animation and if you've never written IRS Code before court animation
1:27:53is phenomenal and it's an amazingly easy way to say yeah make that things just
1:27:58kind of dance over that side of the screen and it takes very little code to
1:28:03make really really flew it really impressive animations happen and that's
1:28:06in part why so many iOS apps look so darn good is because for developers even
1:28:10even one who has no visual chops like myself you can make really decent
1:28:15animations really really easily and the fact that coordination got ported or
1:28:19whatever is pretty impressive to me so I've been told on Twitter that the
1:28:24session where they talk about them
1:28:26the mechanisms behind all of this will be happening tomorrow afternoon just
1:28:30Thursday afternoon as we record this I don't have the time to watch it anytime
1:28:34soon because life has been a little busy lately pied I hope at some point that
1:28:38I'll be able to check it out and report back on how this is all held together
1:28:41because this certainly sounds extremely impressive although we'll see if it's
1:28:47actually really particularly functional in over the next few weeks I suppose
1:28:52that being said candy crush saga the bastion of excellent programming has
1:28:57already been running on this project I would it sounds like the kind of bold
1:29:01new step the other member good news that I've certainly heard the name but still
1:29:05be out there like so if you have Apple doesn't give you the source code
1:29:09teicholz cocoa and all of you I K like some of that the Darwin source code
1:29:12includes some you know I think its some core foundation stops in there ever been
1:29:16a most of the stuff is not open source but they do publish
1:29:18documentation and you can get the header files for all the objective studies it
1:29:22may be hard to find and what they do is roughly 29 so you could just look at the
1:29:27API's and the headers and documentation and use an actual Mac to figure out how
1:29:32things work and you could make a working like a library for your platform and
1:29:36that's kind of a good news tip as I was trying to take the open stepped-up which
1:29:39also wasn't open source I don't know if it ever was and say we would like to be
1:29:44able to ride programs without the square brackets on Linux too but they're not
1:29:48going to give us the code so can we just sort of reverse engineering make a set
1:29:52of libraries with exactly the same phone from state exactly the same argument
1:29:55that behaving exactly the same way
1:29:57but are still be open source and that happen you know it like any sort of open
1:30:01source volunteer led effort very difficult to keep pace with like Apple
1:30:06and all their engineers adding changes to cocoa and everything so I don't know
1:30:09how far can you step aside as kept up but this effort seems like that all be
1:30:14funded by Microsoft a lot more people if you're going to compile my you I can
1:30:19application source code without having Apple's code for the UIKit frameworks
1:30:24you will have to have framework with the same names with the same functions to
1:30:28link against otherwise nothing is going to work and we're going to get those
1:30:31from you can have to write them yourselves and make sure they behave in
1:30:33the same way as Apple's there and that is humongous job and that is so unlike
1:30:38Microsoft because now you're sort of signing up to try to keep pace with
1:30:41Apple's rapid development of their libraries and you're telling people to
1:30:45you know not even part throughout the ages bring your source code over it will
1:30:50compile in our platform as a way to get more applications for your platform but
1:30:54you don't even have your own platform at that point all you have is another place
1:30:57where you know people are writing at Apple's platform and they can also by
1:31:01the way we use that work to sort of going your platform as an afterthought
1:31:03on your platform at that point same thing with the end right out like is why
1:31:08does why bother having an API if you know I understand that underlie go we
1:31:14need more apps on our platform we can get more apps by saying hey it's really
1:31:17easy to take your existing Android or iOS that bring it up but then do you
1:31:21even have a pop at that point who in the world is ever going to try to get your
1:31:24API are you really gonna put a lot of effort into improving your API you gonna
1:31:27be spending all your time chasing these other API that you don't even control
1:31:30they can be changed in ways that intentionally or accidentally break your
1:31:34compatibility both of these companies could decide to sue you probably not go
1:31:38cuz articles are suing them over the jobs they get cranky and be like well
1:31:42like the cocoa API is copyrighted and you can't bottle with Java suit right so
1:31:47depending on that sticks out because I might not have been on strong legal
1:31:51footing this I'm interested in the technical details as well but strategy
1:31:57was like I see the benefits we we're desperately need to get more apps on our
1:32:02platform this is my way to do it and usually like file format wise as it
1:32:06approaches his work for Microsoft in the past
1:32:08of like we can read wordperfect warm out of its a good example SunAmerica did
1:32:12that but like the way to get if your marketing is an entrenched leader you
1:32:16need your application to you need to make it so that using your application
1:32:20is as easy as possible for the people who use your computing application I got
1:32:23was not a big deal we can read your files will impart them we can we can
1:32:26save in your old format like everything is great you know like sort of just be a
1:32:31smooth upgrade path because you're not in a position to say drop everything and
1:32:34come to our pipeline that tried that it didn't work out now they're trying to
1:32:38say is that a big deal like I know you got that but like you might wanna make a
1:32:42Windows version of it to its really easy you bring your source code over we
1:32:45compiled a couple of tweaks here and there hey why not write guys that is not
1:32:49a strong pitch but that is that you know that the thin edge of the wedge if
1:32:53you're lucky but if you're not lucky all you're doing is just further doing your
1:32:56own platform to never be a real problem that you control well and I don't think
1:33:01this really solves the problem of why there aren't more apps on Windows Phone
1:33:06and windows all the more modern Windows platforms
1:33:10the problem is is really not that we were waiting for being able to share the
1:33:16same code because he said there's tons of problems that tons problems as a
1:33:20developer I don't think I would trust that to be a stable long-term way to do
1:33:25it
1:33:25first of all like if I come out there and and if I let's move on my code into
1:33:30this thing and I can compile it actually does work and I can ship overcast for
1:33:34Windows Phone using this crazy set up I'm gonna then tell people this I'm
1:33:40gonna announce this animated get customers who were on Windows Phones who
1:33:44are paying for the app that's all it's all based on this crazy setup continuing
1:33:50to work into the future and that's something that I would not want to rest
1:33:55my my customer trust on and my reputation on and it would it would
1:34:00definitely become yet another thing I would have to maintain separately yet
1:34:05another thing that would have separate support issues separate bugs it would
1:34:09have all the downsides of a new platform in addition to the massive liability of
1:34:15this of this compatibility layer that it would all depend on my I wouldn't trust
1:34:20that end
1:34:21the reason why there aren't more developers making apps for Windows Phone
1:34:27System and and all the artists from Metro is the reason why there are more
1:34:32of these is not because we were waiting for a code to cross compile its because
1:34:38a none of us use these platforms basically there are some effectively
1:34:43zero relative to the to the market so none of the developers who are making
1:34:47the kinds of apps that people want to be forms are using themselves and there
1:34:52aren't that many people in the marketplace of buying these platforms
1:34:55especially the kind of people who would be willing and able to install the kind
1:35:02of apps that we make and then that that's that's a big you know that's
1:35:06that's a big limitation right there like that rules out most enterprise customers
1:35:10that rules out a whole lot of Windows users so you know people who would
1:35:14actually buy these apps that kind of Absa that iOS programmers make and
1:35:19repairs make people would actually buy them and use them whether they market
1:35:22their this that's a very big question and they just don't have the unit sales
1:35:28to support that in in the mobile platform in on the PC platform it's
1:35:32usually not use that way so there really is no reason for developers to spend
1:35:39ahora time and Windows Phone right now and that might change in the future but
1:35:43right now that's it's it's just there is unjustified and this is gonna change
1:35:49that anything they do on the cold side is not going to change that they need to
1:35:51the need to change the market like the market of their devices and other their
1:35:56platforms that's what has to change I don't know how you go about changing
1:35:59that but there's no amount of like bribing developers or making things
1:36:05easier for developers that can really solve that problem on a big scale well
1:36:09you can see that the company thanks candy cane something with their name
1:36:14is not bothered by the sort of you know reputation and support concerned that
1:36:19you are like its shuttle where does the term in the game industry for a reason
1:36:24alright we can make a Windows version really easily shareable do that like
1:36:28whatever its in especially with games or it's like not much native UI anyway they
1:36:32have the manpower to to chase the weird bugs out on that or they just see it as
1:36:37a small amount of incremental income for not much extra money or you know like
1:36:41this is going to get more obligations and their platform but I don't know if
1:36:45it's a net win for them and that's like addressing it like you stole my phone
1:36:49you have more software and if you have more software you might sell more phones
1:36:51like that ranged from every possible angle again not that they're in the same
1:36:55position Apple in the nineties but I get a similar vibe like what I back when
1:36:58Apple was desperate much more desperate than Microsoft probably ever be they
1:37:03were willing to try all those ideas that people have been telling them for years
1:37:06they should do like you know trial license CEOs try making a TV tried
1:37:11making x86 compatible things try selling your computers and seniors you know like
1:37:16they were doing everything that anyone had ever told them that you might want
1:37:20to try and call them you know like there is a reason they hadn't done them in the
1:37:24past the clones what is the worst thing ever and telling you should licensee
1:37:29operating system used to play with Microsoft you shouldn't be so stubborn
1:37:33and training been doing yourself use things that other people have died
1:37:36without stirring things are all Android App Store on Windows make Windows remake
1:37:41windows open source like just called list of like a list of the things that
1:37:45people have said Microsoft should try and it slowly tries them you realize
1:37:49they were always bad ideas or its too late or both
1:37:53so I don't know why I kind of like the new Microsoft in there doing exciting
1:37:59things but they I feel like they're losing control of their platform if you
1:38:05like they had a good platform to potential growth path and just a series
1:38:09of bad mistakes they've they're no longer masters of their own destiny and
1:38:14so many ways that it's depressing
1:38:17but I agree with that but man is it interesting to watch is now I mean it's
1:38:22just so fun to watch what what they're doing even if they're making more
1:38:26missteps which I don't know that they're making missteps but they are definitely
1:38:30desperately he said the cash is it fun to watch and it fell faster than most
1:38:35part like they're trying lots of things that they don't stick they move on and
1:38:38in one respect that makes you not trustworthy as the company is people
1:38:42don't want to buy a product like to i really wanna buy that cuz if it doesn't
1:38:46succeed really well it's gonna be a dead end on the other hand they do need to
1:38:50find something that works and so it's better than picking a strategy that's
1:38:53going to save the company and sticking with five years
1:38:56stubbornly refusing to see that the day you strategy is not working they are you
1:39:01know I closed that the Microsoft wristband thing what are called
1:39:05Microsoft banned I believe ya like so that I i thought that was a reasonable
1:39:09product but did it sell in big enough numbers that they're going to make a
1:39:12Microsoft and two and three and four if you bought a Microsoft and you gonna be
1:39:16kind of sore that like you know I kinda like Microsoft and they just not making
1:39:20one because it wasn't a hit at the Apple came out it couldn't compete like I
1:39:24don't know what the balance is there should they abandoned Microsoft banned
1:39:27because it didn't work out or should they say you know it was a pretty these
1:39:30version one product it is differentiated from the Apple Logic interesting well
1:39:34let's make a burden to an aversion to reenter version for quite know what the
1:39:39right thing to do I think Microsoft so much stronger footing with that stuff
1:39:42because that is they are the masters of their own destiny there that platform is
1:39:47different than Amazon Web Services and easy to whatever though Google is doing
1:39:51it like it is
1:39:53is a contemporary it is in the running with all the other things that are out
1:39:56there as a lot of good reports it's the great things about that all the good
1:40:00things about the new measures up don't tied to Windows only
1:40:02don't make it a Trojan horse to try to get our technology those people things
1:40:05be open use JSON accept other languages be really good at what you do that I
1:40:10think still as their flagship that obvious Xbox their two flagship non
1:40:15embarrassing no excuses no stupid Microsoft BS for the most part the low
1:40:19bid on the Xbox one products but windows at this point and everything involved
1:40:24with Windows and Windows on phone then when I computers and tablets it's just a
1:40:29mess I don't know it's it's interesting to watch it and I am I am very surprised
1:40:35by some of the moves are making but we'll see I'm definitely gonna try to
1:40:40watch the session tomorrow afternoon and see what the technical explanations
1:40:45behind all this I mean I don't think it's really not solve anything for them
1:40:48for all the reasons that both you guys expressed on top of that I mean even if
1:40:52I could cross compile a fast X was a good argument I could cross compile fast
1:40:57tax its go it's going to be on an operating system that has a different
1:41:01paradigm than iOS and so it's going to feel out of place like this this is a
1:41:06ton of issues that associated with it well what am i testing autonomy gonna go
1:41:09buy a Lumia just a test for fast acts like so many problems here but I think
1:41:15they are trying to cover all bases and they want to be able to say well you
1:41:19know what this this Windows Phone thing didn't really work out but we did
1:41:22everything we could we even cross compiled Objective C that's how serious
1:41:27we were about it and you know it just didn't work
1:41:30yeah how did that team must that team went with the biggest secrets can buy
1:41:38dollars doesn't like seriously I mean I don't know maybe they didn't start this
1:41:42project laughter but I I'd assume that is so much work that it was happening
1:41:45then whatever instead it's like well you know you're kinda scared or the park was
1:41:51on the whole Objective C cross compiling thing there at least it seems that way
1:41:57alright thanks a lot for three spots this week Backblaze casper and Harry's
1:42:02and we will see you next week
1:42:06now the show they didn't even mean to begin
1:42:11it was accidental
1:42:14accidental John
1:42:22and you can be done and if Marco
1:43:05is anything else we have to talk I can tell you more about the law to mean I
1:43:11had a so so on this week's connected I haven't listened yet ok well I wanna
1:43:16spoil one part of it is a no spoiler it isn't so mike mike was saying that
1:43:23because the watch is really not a 2012 device like you know that the hand that
1:43:29that it's being worn on can't interact with the screen unless you have some
1:43:34crazy hand I've never seen before but for the most part most human hands won't
1:43:37be able to interact with it from the hand of wearing the watch so you have to
1:43:41use your other hand to actually touch the screen the buttons so really it's a
1:43:45two-handed device it's not like a phone you can use entirely within one hand
1:43:50because the same hand holding it can be using it to six plus watches are not
1:43:55that way so mike was saying that he is already on many occasions used his nose
1:44:02to touch the screen on the watch even going as far as to hit buttons with his
1:44:06nose to reply to text messages which is awesome and they all made fun of him
1:44:11unconnected for saying this however I'm here to say that I have done that too I
1:44:16have not gone as far as pushing buttons but I have you my news to wake up the
1:44:21screen to show me the time if the risk thing is failing and I need to see the
1:44:25time for something for my grass suggestion absolutely my great
1:44:30suggestion and also my suggestion is someone with a very large nose is that
1:44:33your time is probably more precise pointing device that is a good
1:44:37suggestion but i dont wanna get my screen all wet or liggett that's true I
1:44:41said it was gross I'm just throwing that out there and that he receives your
1:44:44concern and germs are not are you want to strengthen your immune system by
1:44:47taking in lots of foreign germs go for the town as someone who is blessed with
1:44:54a particularly large NAS from what are you talking about you do not have a big
1:44:59nose I'm half Italian and half Jewish I will not have a big nose you don't have
1:45:05a big nose you have you have an average and whatever anyways
1:45:09accent on those podcast everything all comparing those only boring small anyway
1:45:17there's so many jokes I can make it anyway so I use my schnoz especially in
1:45:27bed to hit the back button on my iPhone I don't know why I do that all the time
1:45:35but i do and i dont have watched to try it on way way way way way why to hit the
1:45:41back button like a web browser what do you wanna know the upper left hand
1:45:46corner of the screen because my hand isn't big enough to reach the upper left
1:45:50hand corner of the screen changes to enhance shammy way using your nose gear
1:45:54over there is no I'm not using that time I have I can you get everything with one
1:46:00hand on my phone I don't have a watch I'm just saying to the people who find
1:46:03themselves like carrier bag of groceries and having to watch the need to hit
1:46:06specific bun for Mike specifically I don't feel like I could hit with my nose
1:46:10if you like my nose touches the entire screen or not that's not a precision
1:46:15pointing to my either way it's so much quicker than the handshake me to just
1:46:21smacked the damn phone with my nose and so much easier so have you enjoyed
1:46:27yourself doing that's a tough injury to explain now the amount of times I've
1:46:33dropped my phone on my face
1:46:34unrelated to using my nose as a pointing device is immeasurable I've done that so
1:46:40many times I can't even tell you how you like laying on your back and they have
1:46:44it propped on your chest now typically I'm holding it up and I you maybe it's
1:46:49like winter time and only have one hand out of the covers because I'm cold and
1:46:54so rather than doing the shimmy or pulling my might
1:46:58extremely comfortably warm hand out of the covers all just smacked with the
1:47:03news that your wife see you do this
1:47:06oh yeah she's stuck when married she stuck there's nothing she can do now to
1:47:10save myself if I saw somebody do that I would take a second look like what is
1:47:14what is going on at the end I think if someone to the watch but their nose
1:47:18especially again if they were like struggling with a bag of groceries I
1:47:21would like to understand but if if it able-bodied person with two free hands
1:47:25is helping some of the phone with their nose at me like that just read write to
1:47:32me I feel like there are better options I hope that someday I I get to see
1:47:37somebody else like out in the world in real life
1:47:41hit their smart watch with their nose is that I'm sure I feel like I said I just
1:47:46said that I've done this but I have I don't think I've done it in public like
1:47:49in my house I don't think I would do it in public I think I was more embarrassed
1:47:55by that they would be picking my nose in public it's like it's no worse and
1:48:00probably actually better than the thing that i dun myself like 11 coming into
1:48:04the house carrying a bunch of things like putting something in your mouth you
1:48:08can get like putting me you know I did not your phone but like holding
1:48:11something in your mouth so you can get a free hand to do something you know like
1:48:15when you're carrying a lot of things using your mouth is it as a third man
1:48:18told something you can usually what you're holding is just as grows or
1:48:23grocer then you're watching might be you know I mean I don't do that thats gross
1:48:27you don't like it when you have a lot of stuff been you know or even if it's like
1:48:36someone calls you on the phone and you want to answer the phone but you have
1:48:39your keys you have something else to put your keys in your mouth but the phone
1:48:41her own you know you see in the movies all the time and I know I've done it
1:48:44myself to do that sort of lip curl under things you're not actually like touching
1:48:48your mouth mouth thing you're holding it just as bad
1:48:52probably anyway but I think the hope the whole germaphobe thing of like I don't
1:48:55want to pay them out they might have germs on it like if you do that that
1:48:59will not lead to a strong immune system you should be kicking dirt filled with
1:49:03animal poop and shoving it into your mouth when you're in a global wow the
1:49:11rest assured that your top there either is or will be in both cases doing that
1:49:15anyway so they are strengthening their immune system health antibiotics