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115: Empathy for the Machine

 

00:00:01   one about the cat game yeah it's more boring than I thought it was about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   get to play with the cats are some good photos interactive in some way but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4">TS</a>]

00:00:07   just show up yet used it just like real cats you don't really interact with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/7">TS</a>]

00:00:11   mucus kinda feed them and right as I could you just so excited today exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/11">TS</a>]

00:00:16   that you exist at the same time you don't get to play with the cats you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/16">TS</a>]

00:00:20   don't get like throw them toys they don't just show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/20">TS</a>]

00:00:24   leave you crap and then leave yet I don't really care about you they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27   care about your food and you can even interact with them right just like cats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/27">TS</a>]

00:00:32   don't like it don't like cats are we talking about this Microsoft stuff at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/32">TS</a>]

00:00:38   some point I think we should even though in the grand tradition it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   happened today nobody knows about anything about it but whatever we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   already headlines right side takes in our pundits all we need is a headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/44">TS</a>]

00:00:48   well this is pretty much all you guys because I was really not following any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/48">TS</a>]

00:00:53   of this I was using my Apple watch all day but you can't say anything about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/53">TS</a>]

00:00:59   but I don't know anything about the Microsoft stuff see you soon I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   think we have a lot to cover from subsets of us you know that this will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/61">TS</a>]

00:01:05   will be taking turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/65">TS</a>]

00:01:06   we might as well start as we always start with John taking the turn of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/66">TS</a>]

00:01:10   follow-up we had a lot of follow up this week but now that I read through it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/70">TS</a>]

00:01:14   just long but I don't think it will take a long time because they're all small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/74">TS</a>]

00:01:17   Adams famous last words everyone look at the time stamp I was right last time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/77">TS</a>]

00:01:22   said that we got through it quickly I think we will today to ok so the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/82">TS</a>]

00:01:26   one is from John tall giving us more more color as they say in Apple earnings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/86">TS</a>]

00:01:31   calls about the Seagate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/91">TS</a>]

00:01:34   the bed Seagate hard drive thing that we talked about and this is from 2011 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/94">TS</a>]

00:01:41   says it was actually a bug in their firmware it specifically it was a bug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/101">TS</a>]

00:01:46   a counter that kept track of how many times the drive had spun up and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/106">TS</a>]

00:01:50   counter would overflow and it would make the drive think that it was brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/110">TS</a>]

00:01:54   that had never been spun up and there is in the form of reduced discounters only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/114">TS</a>]

00:02:01   when its brand new its been up really quickly and when he gets older take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   little longer to spin up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   and the reason hard I want to know how long it takes us been upto they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/126">TS</a>]

00:02:09   know when it's safe to put their heads on top of the desk if you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/129">TS</a>]

00:02:13   Wikipedia hard drive page or maybe howStuffWorks deja something we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   know how hard drives work they had these little heads look kind of like the order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/137">TS</a>]

00:02:21   they called in and phonographs Casey the tone arm or whatever with a stylus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/141">TS</a>]

00:02:27   something like that what the stylus is the needle but I think you are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/147">TS</a>]

00:02:30   about the tonearm I think I don't even pay too much attention as much as I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/150">TS</a>]

00:02:34   this this reputation for being obsessed with vinyl I'm not even sure you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/154">TS</a>]

00:02:39   hard drives and SSDs for people who don't know how hard drives works trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/159">TS</a>]

00:02:43   to explain it as an analogy for records which they probably might have never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/163">TS</a>]

00:02:48   seen and even I who grew up with breakfast I know that the party called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/168">TS</a>]

00:02:50   anyway it's a little arm that goes over the desk and it's got a little redhead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/170">TS</a>]

00:02:54   on it as you talk about the distance a little redhead that that reads a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/174">TS</a>]

00:02:58   you know the magnetic thing that reads little blips on the desk of magnetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/178">TS</a>]

00:03:04   poles or whatever that head is really really close to the desk that had cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/184">TS</a>]

00:03:09   touch the disc is it touches the desk it ruins it because the discus spinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/189">TS</a>]

00:03:13   very fast and it's made of I don't know some kind of you know metal glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/193">TS</a>]

00:03:16   whatever material the head is actually pretty hard and it touches it at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19   head crash that will put a big out in the disc and you basically printed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/199">TS</a>]

00:03:23   that's where the term crash and computers comes from is it comes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/203">TS</a>]

00:03:27   yeah it's it's it's hard drive heads crashing into the platters and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/207">TS</a>]

00:03:31   like killing the drive and you lose your data and reasoning when you save my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/211">TS</a>]

00:03:35   computer crashed that was what you meant I'm not sure if that's true solicitation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/215">TS</a>]

00:03:39   come in and tell us whether that's crazy all I know about the bug that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/219">TS</a>]

00:03:42   moth flew into the big machine trip to the original bug but anyway so it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/222">TS</a>]

00:03:47   wants to know when is it safe to bring the heads onto the desk but it is off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/227">TS</a>]

00:03:51   the heads are often the side they're not they're not over the discs at all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/231">TS</a>]

00:03:54   parked exactly so in the parking lot why does it matter how fast the disc is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/234">TS</a>]

00:03:58   spinning we can't you just bring the head down whenever they feel like it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/238">TS</a>]

00:04:01   because the the thing that keeps the heads from touching the disc is a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/241">TS</a>]

00:04:05   cushion of air between the head of the disk and it's super tiny like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/245">TS</a>]

00:04:08   shut the diagram shows like a human hair next to the gap and the human hair like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/248">TS</a>]

00:04:12   dwarfs the gap between the haves and the have to be really really close but can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/252">TS</a>]

00:04:17   touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/257">TS</a>]

00:04:17   and so it's really important that the discs be spinning fast enough for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/257">TS</a>]

00:04:23   heads to be able to saving a lot to it and if that account overflows and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   mechanism the hard drive thanks dead it brand new distance from respond right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/266">TS</a>]

00:04:30   away and the heads out the crash the disco to kill them and so this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/270">TS</a>]

00:04:34   firmware bug that causes a hardware failure that affected a lot of Seagate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/274">TS</a>]

00:04:38   dress apparently alright we will put a link to how stuff works that on page 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/278">TS</a>]

00:04:46   of the slideshow what page was that on p [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49   I think it's seven of that slideshow of the they show what jon is describing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/289">TS</a>]

00:04:54   we'll have that the show notes I wanted to jump in and do a very brief piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/294">TS</a>]

00:04:59   follow-up I am talking to everyone on errands MacBook Air and the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/299">TS</a>]

00:05:05   went for a little swim last week that is going to be a short show it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/305">TS</a>]

00:05:13   knock on my glass desk has been doing just fine I'm not expecting that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/313">TS</a>]

00:05:18   continue on forever I'm expecting to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/318">TS</a>]

00:05:22   Casey anyway moving on then all kidding aside it is fine I'm surprised by that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/322">TS</a>]

00:05:31   have heard several conflicting reports as to how much Apple will charge me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/331">TS</a>]

00:05:35   fix this if it does eventually Fri I've heard a couple hundred dollars I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/335">TS</a>]

00:05:41   heard well maybe a genius will take pity on you i've heard $800 and anywhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/341">TS</a>]

00:05:47   between so hopefully I'll never have to find out but as of tonight on Wednesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/347">TS</a>]

00:05:54   what is the 28th 29th or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   29th Ave Wednesday the 29th of April it is still working much to my surprise I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/357">TS</a>]

00:06:01   very happy about that how you made that website though like the the death watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/361">TS</a>]

00:06:06   website right yeah I did I did actually make a Deathwatch website and what I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/366">TS</a>]

00:06:11   was I found a site somewhere that would create a launch DEP list for me and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/371">TS</a>]

00:06:17   launched a plist would then just launched curl and tickle URL on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/377">TS</a>]

00:06:22   website but it's very unreliable in so part of the reason I haven't publicized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/382">TS</a>]

00:06:27   this link is because it reports errands Mac is being broken in dead way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/387">TS</a>]

00:06:35   often than it actually is broken and dad I went to it I saw that it was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/395">TS</a>]

00:06:41   first or second I was upset and said you know what that's probably just a minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/401">TS</a>]

00:06:44   in failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/404">TS</a>]

00:06:45   exactly and so i the reason I haven't given this to the Internet is because as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/405">TS</a>]

00:06:49   much as I know everyone would be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/409">TS</a>]

00:06:52   no I'm not being sarcastic I mean that I would be getting hourly if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56   minute-by-minute reports that Aaron's computers that I must check on it go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/416">TS</a>]

00:07:00   look right now oh my god it says it's dead when in reality it's probably user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/420">TS</a>]

00:07:04   error with me and lunch D but one way or another it's just not a very reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/424">TS</a>]

00:07:08   mechanism for monitoring the Mac so there is a website for it I will not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/428">TS</a>]

00:07:13   showing the link because it's not a very good link and it's not worth paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/433">TS</a>]

00:07:16   attention to but it is a life and end did you you said that you went to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/436">TS</a>]

00:07:21   website to generate it launched d so I don't know anything about launch day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/441">TS</a>]

00:07:26   I was originally going to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   gonna set up a cron job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   but I can never get Ronson tax rate and so is figuring out okay well what do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/450">TS</a>]

00:07:34   have available to me you know can I just do a scheduled task sort of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/454">TS</a>]

00:07:39   maybe there's an easier way of doing this that I just didn't think of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/459">TS</a>]

00:07:42   StumbleUpon but one way or another I ended up going to this website that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/462">TS</a>]

00:07:47   generated this just silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   humongous plist for launch team and again I don't really know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/469">TS</a>]

00:07:55   talking about it apparently what launched he does is it did you give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/475">TS</a>]

00:07:59   to specialists and you say on the 5th minute of these year with our go run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/479">TS</a>]

00:08:06   this command on the 10th minute of this year with our go run this command on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/486">TS</a>]

00:08:10   15th minute of this year there in this continues to all 24 hours a day and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/490">TS</a>]

00:08:14   then so because of that this playlist was enormous maybe that's not how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/494">TS</a>]

00:08:18   designed to be used if it's not it doesn't really matter I i to be honest I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/498">TS</a>]

00:08:22   don't really care but I tried to do that real quick and I thought it was working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/502">TS</a>]

00:08:27   but not so much I put a link to an app that will make watch the palace for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/507">TS</a>]

00:08:32   because there are much more robust and then Casey saying that he didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/512">TS</a>]

00:08:37   ron is a tax on top of that is the most Windows Developer thing I've ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40   him say that I anyone who has ever done every side of the windows are right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/520">TS</a>]

00:08:50   John and I and I find bodies syntax completely inscrutable yeah that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/530">TS</a>]

00:08:55   they're like yeah I don't think he's crazy to get help doing that because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/535">TS</a>]

00:08:59   is like ron is easy its just you know a bunch of items in my daughter and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/539">TS</a>]

00:09:03   memorize it and if you forget dunno man five crontab to refresh your memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/543">TS</a>]

00:09:07   whatever to see we view this version supports / 5 syntax are not arranged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/547">TS</a>]

00:09:11   that much to stop its way more complicated and I bet only to people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/551">TS</a>]

00:09:16   develop lunch the Apple have memorized all the options on the different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/556">TS</a>]

00:09:20   you can add that even if you gonna do it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   by hand you'd use apples pls pls by hand animals and their thing its Lincoln or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/562">TS</a>]

00:09:30   whatever is named after the barrier the fruit I have heard of it somewhere near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/570">TS</a>]

00:09:34   be careful because you can skip the system of that like it lets you see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/574">TS</a>]

00:09:38   think all the people dislike the systemwide things and even like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   this I don't understand is I can't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   just you know be careful out there is a test IKEA yeah nice I will put the site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/583">TS</a>]

00:09:50   I used in the show that well as well its launch 20 with dot com and again all it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/590">TS</a>]

00:09:55   does is you say when you want this thing to run it generates a humongous sleeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/595">TS</a>]

00:09:58   both launched deepest photos photos from Andrew woods he is making sure that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/598">TS</a>]

00:10:07   know that photos there's a whole bunch of stuff in the background even after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   its done importing said activity minor in his 2010 MacBook Pro show today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/610">TS</a>]

00:10:16   taking all four cores for virtual cores for a long time so his recommendation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/616">TS</a>]

00:10:21   was to check activity minor and wait until things settle down and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/621">TS</a>]

00:10:26   really are idle before judging his performance as i think is that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/626">TS</a>]

00:10:29   last show I did like i'm looking Activity Monitor I'm making sure that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   don't see the cloudy process the grinding away or whatever you know I let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/633">TS</a>]

00:10:37   it to really get into that steady-state over the course of many days where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/637">TS</a>]

00:10:41   didn't see anything in top or whatever and then just tried to this outsider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44   judging it after it had gone to announce that is even worse of course if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/644">TS</a>]

00:10:48   middle of doing face recognition or even uploading.com but that's something if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/648">TS</a>]

00:10:53   someone did you are trying for the first time and you're not accustomed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/653">TS</a>]

00:10:57   launching activity monitor and sorting by CPU and seeing everything is grinding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/657">TS</a>]

00:11:01   away there will be a period of time after the importance quote-unquote done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/661">TS</a>]

00:11:05   when things are still going on she said let's to see if you ran i stat menus you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/665">TS</a>]

00:11:12   would know immediately whether these things were thinking about your CPU tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/672">TS</a>]

00:11:17   you which processes is hurting your CPU for all you know could be colonel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   underscore task and then it doesn't help you much so that you see nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/680">TS</a>]

00:11:24   you just click on the thing that shows you all the top process just click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/684">TS</a>]

00:11:28   the dock icon shows no atop process is the name that I could start them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/688">TS</a>]

00:11:33   when I'm done looking at a quick the absolute not they're updating every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   three seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/695">TS</a>]

00:11:36   scan the entire process table operating system acquiring and releasing colonel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/696">TS</a>]

00:11:41   ox over and over and over again with nobody looking at it he's got in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/701">TS</a>]

00:11:47   particular the computer trying to instill in a programmer should all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/707">TS</a>]

00:11:52   empathy for the machine because it makes you write code that isn't stupid I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/712">TS</a>]

00:11:59   even know where to go thanks let two or three spots empathy with the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/719">TS</a>]

00:12:05   I'm I keep saying that people look at me like I'm crazy but don't you feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08   when you write code that like I don't know just something simple like hoisting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/728">TS</a>]

00:12:13   an invariant out of the loop why doing that you just do it like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/733">TS</a>]

00:12:18   sort of put yourself in the position of the computer and the different machinery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/738">TS</a>]

00:12:22   you just feel guilty about making some process be repeated over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/742">TS</a>]

00:12:26   when you know the result is going to be the same it's like you're just wasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/746">TS</a>]

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00:23:54   shared album so that wouldn't have worked anyway but kinda makes sense like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:58   you shouldn't be using shared albums as a way to show your whole library there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:02   just be a way to share your library and haven't read right but there isn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:06   fewer than 5,000 photos you can't you can't even like manually do it how about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:12   what goes on with a MacBook Air with 7,800 photos ever talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:18   performance last time and there was like well I'm using a 2011 MacBook Air maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:23   it's just slow because i dont have a lot of Rambus Laura computer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:27   mucho Spanish says that he has a very small library on a 2012 MacBook Air just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:32   seven thousand and photos and keyword is still slow and then our friend will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:37   hands says very slow for per photo operation operations and he's on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:41   maxed-out iMac wife kim also we couldn't sync iCloud I just am not really sold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:47   why this is something I need my life right now like the idea of being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:51   you get to any of my pictures in the photo chooser in print in like a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:55   and I West that sounds appealing in principle but hearing how much it slows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1495">TS</a>]

00:25:00   down your iOS device anytime you go to the photo cheeser that sounds freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:04   terrible and just a lot of this i must say I never use photos by any stretch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:09   the imagination but it just does not sound like it's something I want my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:12   right now I don't know if it's working great for me the only the only problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:16   I'm seeing with it is what many people have reported in joining think you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:20   it's too which is that the the photo picker takes a long time to come up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:24   anything that uses that lists the photos so that the biggest time I see this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:29   after I've taken a new picture on the iPhone when I want to tap on it to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:33   it up to view the picture I just took there's like a five or 10 second delay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:37   just nothing happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   the phone is frozen and then it comes up that that's really seeing issues besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:45   that which is annoying but not that major problem it's just a frequent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:51   annoyance beside that if I've had no problems and I and that's the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:54   thing that I would imagine and hope that they would be working on it like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:59   would notice that and work that out in the next version of iOS is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:03   tweets talking about the slowness in like flow is not a measure of a thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:08   like it feels slow to them and I think especially with single photo operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:11   or like doing something like a wording that you think I'm not asking you to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:16   some crazy you know filter blur you know there's no image effects is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:21   massive metadata please just associated keywords with these three photos right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:25   these people are reporting that it is quarter-on-quarter slow because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:29   think that the thing that they're doing shouldn't take as long as it takes and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:32   agree with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:33   but we don't have any measure C you never know like will hand says it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:37   very slow unperfor operations I maxed out I'm a club case is that because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:42   just expects it to be really fast and I'm at my pay his operations maybe five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:46   times as fast as mine but he has a greater expectations because he's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   brand new computer and willing to accept them some sluts but bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:52   reception wise I think it feels slow and some other people seem to agree and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:57   depressed that even people with small libraries and even people with much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:01   newer fancier computers than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02   also a feeling that operation steal slow this shouldn't be slow maybe somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:08   didn't have enough empathy for the computer and design didn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:12   that's the type of that's kind of a design things like why might it be slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:15   I can tell you from experience that once you get into the large number of items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:19   and a sequel a database sequel aight legalized performance characteristics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:24   especially for like inserts into it like a database table that has thousands or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:29   millions of records like just drawn that experiment database but a simple scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:34   it started sorting south and see and do a time and say how many rows can answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:38   per second and watch that performance slowly slowly getting worse as you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:43   into the millions of rows things get pretty grim day things you can do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:47   help with that but anyway if so was using satellite data bases anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:51   intimidation which I can imagine it is and if that has anything to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   keywords which I can imagine it might that might explain some of the slowness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:58   in large library I don't know I'm just guessing and so the computer is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:03   you like I did write seagull seagull a great day to it but I am I using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:07   right tool for the job would be better to add them as extended attributes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:10   as individual plist files are you know I don't know it's more of a design thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:14   them to be with the computer at the micro level at the macro level empathy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:19   not Marco level empathy what happens when you delete a photo John in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:26   new photos that I don't know that's the thing last time I was talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:33   prospects of using iCloud sync as a backup strategy it's like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:36   feelings all sink to something ever goes wrong that wrong this could also sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:40   all over the place and then your backups arose because they're not really back-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:43   supply crate we're just did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:45   have a second copy of whatever is currently in the things so whatever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:48   currently in the library screwed up whatever is currently in all year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:51   automatically synchronize copies can also be seen so many people point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:54   that if you delete a photo in the Photos app doesn't get deleted immediately goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:58   into kind of like a trash type holding area and I think every 30 days before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:02   its per-share something which is good but mostly what I was afraid over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:06   app going crazy and some thinking these photos never existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:11   let me just get your not as if it thinks I deleted them by dragging into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:14   trash or delete button but if it starts thinking because of some weird singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   thing that photos of my life he just never existed in so I need to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:22   rectify I just synchronize and rectify my state of the world with what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:26   state it's supposed to be in rather than it thinking that it sought to lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:30   operation in synchronizing that just thinking all these photos are unaware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   that he's gained but I have no idea what they are like that's what I'm afraid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:36   not so much the manually deleting things are but it is good to know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:40   holding area where you can recover from mistakes were you doing before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:44   delete them as you sure you want to delete this from the cloud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   everything on your device as it tries to tell you like this is not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:49   leading locally this is the leading everywhere and even if you do that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   holds onto it and deleted items area to give you an out nice but I'm still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:57   little bit afraid of it and I would never use it as a backup CD in speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   of backups god forbid something happened what do you do to restore your photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:05   library from a backup and I don't know if they hadn't tried them but I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   about it like restoring like your iPhoto library back up just a bunch of files on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:12   disks if you think it's hose just don't throw out your iPhoto library go to Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:18   Machine backup you super duper back-to-back plays back up or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:21   and just like find previous version for iPhoto library which appears to be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:25   file anticipated releases that pack a bundle with a folder with a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   stuff you drag it back in your back in business right what happens if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:33   photos library do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:34   iCloud sync like something is wrong with it or get so is there something I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   you just say ok one's got through that library out and Greg Newman from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:42   backup and put it in place and launch it what happens it will work fine locally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:47   I'm sure that would work locally but what happens when you launch it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   like is it aware that you just did that or is it like whoa this library and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:55   does not match what I expected to do does it forcibly make it like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1855">TS</a>]

00:31:00   broken one was in the woman missing data how do you recover from a back up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:05   that scenario and when I was thinking about this one more reminder Mike you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:09   tell me when I thought oh and Time Machine like the integration between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:13   those first shown in a one time she was first announced in a keynote and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   tried to show used time machine from within iPhoto and I just imagining that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:20   I remember that the thing where you could use Time Machine specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:24   within certain apps but I don't remember anything about I photos specifically in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:28   whatever happened to that like using iPhoto specifically from within certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   that that's not a thing real hit you mean time machine within certain apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:35   yeah there's probably some kind of API to nobody ever uses I don't think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:40   public API think they they showed it like you could do it within photos you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   could do with an address book there was a couple of apps the show that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:46   do it within the reason I'm thinking of that is like I'm trying to think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:50   would be a safe way to take photos library that you had iCloud sync that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:56   hosed in some way damaged its corrupt you asked me to his W me say actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1916">TS</a>]

00:32:01   want to go back to the states things were a week ago and you go pull your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   photos library from your back up what you have is just a bunch of files and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   you put it back in the same place the other one was and you launch photos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:11   then what happens and I don't know what happens I mean I would imagine it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:15   like the import process when I import my 25,000 photos I I basically had an empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:20   iCloud library and I dragged them all into this app from my previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:24   arrangement of files and it slowly important I'm not lower them all that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:29   would imagine as long as the as long as your cloud photo library state can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:35   cleared which I don't know that is easy as going to the author's view it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:39   command a command early but did you do that before you told the backup I quoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:46   you can't even launch photos because the library so corrupt that I like how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:49   you how do you get it to understand that you wanted to launch and accept the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:55   disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:56   library that you pull them back up as the current state of things I honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1976">TS</a>]

00:33:02   have no idea but I but the files are all their legal the library is laid out very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:06   similarly to and iPhoto library yeah you could you do have the out of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:10   finding all the JPEG spoiling them all out making a new empty library like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:14   I think what you have to do I done this I don't address books that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:17   thought of it like a few times the address book as garden hose in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:21   and I've been like look I have all these backed up with address book and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:24   people know that spanned not address book is called contacts now sorry in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:28   context application that provides they provide a way to make a complete backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:31   your tire context library and please everybody do this at least once a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:35   contact think it's not a reliable you'll be happy to have it so I got into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:39   state or contacts were hose was actually my contacts as my wife so is more dire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:44   than here and I need to fix it and what I want to happen was I had a backup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:52   I wanted to say look like hot just forget everything just the start over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:57   I'm going to i'm going to import from the library and I want you to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:00   that you have 0 contacts everywhere and that was super super hard to do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:04   every time I thought I'd done it entailed import the library and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:08   introduce crazy merge but that was still in the cloud shows everything again took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   me so long to beat this thing is just a mission to say you have nothing start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   from zero anyway that's what are frayed over the photos library like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   know what the I don't know what the restoration plan is even in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:22   scenario where he say look I'm going to strike over jpegs and then just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:26   convince voters that it has nothing like just really busy can be full like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:30   context of bill yet no context 0 contact your contacts everywhere everything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   ok import and introduce crazy thing and you know so real-time follow-up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:39   underscore ass underscore there is they don't think this is a basement anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:44   this page on Apple's website how do I remove all I club photo library content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:48   from my iCloud account and devices I noticed n go to System prefs iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:52   manage slept for the library then select Disable and delete once you turn off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:56   your iCloud photo library left 30 days to download rally your library to at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2096">TS</a>]

00:35:00   least one device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   and so that's how you do it that's good this button because that was the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:06   with Apple things like there's no button there's no place to go it just works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:11   it's magical but sometimes you just want like people always want I want a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:15   that says no plea synchronized now and this button is the island a button that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:18   says just forget everything just start over 30 and by my past experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:24   my back when I think services and everything that trying to get it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:28   start from zero was like basically not possible for for regular person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2128">TS</a>]

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00:47:40   it to any of those rows of the woman links you can just like slide it over by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:44   one row so you can really but it's like a toaster dials you never know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:50   how was last time I don't know all the liberals look the same I assume before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:55   having it at that would annoy the crap out of me and I did figure throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:59   the day I die would frequently change it like little micro adjustment throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:03   the day like to tweak it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   I didn't feel like that was annoying to me as much as I would have thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:10   don't love about the book I don't love how you know just like any other watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:14   you can set it down to put it on the like like hold your hand against able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:19   put it up against your leg or something like that but you can't quite do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:23   freehand very well in mid-air known as I have that problem I also don't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:28   classic buckle that you know just like any other website a little little loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:32   that holds the tail at the excess still holds it on the band I keep like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:38   slipping out of that keeps catching on things like that so I I might have given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:43   level of another try at some point the future but so far I'm very happy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:47   this overall how many times I've taken off today the Milanese because I had at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:52   first a little more paranoid I was I was taking off my right to wash the dishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:57   or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   now now that you know i i notified the letter one for a couple days I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:03   little more confident in a little more familiar with it so now I'm just keepin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:06   on all day I took it off just now just so I could take a look at my identity or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:12   lack thereof of my wrist from the follow-up but obviously been holding out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:17   so it's not a big deal so how is that affecting your life if at all so again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:25   I had not before this I did not wanna watch since high school I like like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:30   many people especially among among geeks like us like so many people I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:35   would you watch for I have had my phone in my pocket that always tells the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:40   turns out having a watch to tell time is actually really nice guy I know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:47   washable are all like coming betrayed tell you that for years you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:51   that was news to most of us geeks who who who who have been in oberly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:57   pragmatically what we have this clock in our pockets all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/2997">TS</a>]

00:50:00   get turns out the the move from pocket watches wristwatches a nine years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:04   there was good reason behind that I don't think I've ever looked at my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:10   to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:10   time it is done during the day feels like the the geek I think the proof for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:17   people to tell the time is slowly to the upper right of your field of vision in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:24   the menu bar called a screen with the times in the menu bar I cannot think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:29   a time that I have looked at my phone when I you know during work or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:33   during home like is this is the only place I'm sitting in my house there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:37   clock in my sight lines intentionally so I know what time it is right and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:42   I'm sitting at my computer there's a clock in my sight lines all the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   no those scenarios to ever reach for my iOS device which is also probably in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:49   reach to check the time but many people on the go outside you don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:53   clocking a sideline they do use their phones and I think certainly call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:57   tweeted earlier that someone had asked what time it was and she fished out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:00   the time while wearing the old habits die hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:04   well that's the thing is I was just about to say that even though I am more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:08   often than not in front of either an iOS device or computer no matter what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:14   doing if I need to look at the time my first reaction is to look at my wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:20   and of course their times I'll get my wireless device will get the upper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:24   right-hand corner of the screen but generally speaking or maybe the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:28   box like you were saying john but generally speaking the first place I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:31   look to find the time as my wrist the cable box come on I forgot with whom I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:37   speaking but BS so I stopped wearing a watch for a few years I've worn one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:41   pretty much all my life and then after after I got an iPhone knows that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:46   know this is redundant in Philly and I don't need to worry about this and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:49   I think like the battery my watch died or something like that and so wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:52   worth fixing inside my phone and then about a year to die started wearing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:56   cheap watch again and and i'm glad because I like having the time of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3116">TS</a>]

00:52:00   wrist and I'm excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   probably after 2 p.m. Dec to have more than just might be the tie my wrists so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:07   we'll see what happens but but I am feeling quite smug Marcos decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:12   this watch thing isn't so bad because I do believe I tried to tell you mark that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15   having something dangling on your wrist really is not the end of the world I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:18   wonder how easy it is to rewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   these things like the people who have the ingrained habits of going for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:24   their their phone their pockets of time how long will take them to retrain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:28   to look at the rest I'm also thinking alike for the risky move for Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:32   where is you have imagined a lot of them will become accustomed to a slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:37   exaggerated motion to really ensure that the White House Speaker seen the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:42   did you bring it up and it doesn't activate sort of like a day maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:45   training themselves into that have been the reason I think about these habits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   and how easy they are changes I know basically cents per half my life at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:52   point when and where my contact lenses I often take my finger and push my glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:58   up the bridge of my nose when there are no glasses they're basically I'm putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:02   myself between my eyes with my finger and I had contact lenses since I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:08   the middle school basically as young as I can possibly get them so I am NOT new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:12   to the experience of not wearing glasses nevertheless every time I am wearing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:16   contact lenses I will at least ones pushing my glasses up the bridge of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:20   nose that are not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   yeah that's understandable in when I went from being a not watch we're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:27   to watch where it only took me a few days maybe a week to start looking at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:32   wrist again to find the time I mean I thought this would be a longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   adjustment for me so far and and so far it really hasn't been along doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:39   I it was the a couple days that now looking for the time and and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:43   enjoying I mean an end to the risk detection thing really try to take when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   you move your wrist up to turn the screen on I've had mixed success of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:50   that that still needs some work overall if it works for me about three-quarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:56   of the time but that's like 25 percent failure rate is not good so that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3236">TS</a>]

00:54:02   could still use some improvement and you know it's it's certainly exacerbated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:08   screen has to turn off so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   oftentimes I will I'll try to do that the motion to show the time and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:16   get misinterpreting it as first things I flipped a wrist and then things I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:21   and so it the screen on for a split second it turns back off again that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:24   they'd like cancels it you're looking at it wrong Marco ya exam so i i dont that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:30   party could use some work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   overall I really do like it a lot I I like the way it looks like the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:38   watch face looks I've looked at other watches the ever since Apple may launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:43   Apple announced they were going to watch I've been looking around at what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:48   people think are really good watches and and every time I passed like a watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:52   store in the mall I look in the window and look at the watches their look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:57   the airport stores that are all crazy everything and when I look at other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:02   watches I'd I have never really seen anything that I thought was really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:07   looking and I i no there there are some out there I'm sure was gonna send me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:11   their the picture of the water they think is good looking and say oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:14   didn't see this one and right but I never looked at any the watch and said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:20   really want that and this one i I look at this on my wrist the way of setup I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:25   use the utility faced with with a fairly minimal set of complications on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:33   the way the way this looks to me is really nice I really enjoy just the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:37   to watch face looks just as a timepiece I enjoy it and the other the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:41   functions it does are really great too but even just that part I am extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:46   satisfied with because I i i i just like it for some reason I was like it I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:51   often look at I'm just just to enjoy how the watch face looks I will say they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:57   the complications of the little features you can add a show like temperature or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:01   your calendar events or whatever and various areas of the faces I share a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:06   similar opinion as I believe Justin snow heard about this and casey you did as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:10   well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:11   the complications are mixed bag I think many of them are very useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:16   most of them I would have some designed week to in general I am I'm like 90% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:23   satisfied with the watch face availability that I have but that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:27   10% kind of a killer if I if I prefer a digital watch face I think I'd be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:33   little bit less satisfied because additional options are not that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   one of my favorite concepts of the watch face is the solar image shows the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:40   like arc of the Sun throughout the day that I like knowing somebody have less I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:44   know when I like when I can walk my dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   and be in the daylight basically and that watch faces frustrating because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:50   there's no complications so if you want to also show the temperature on screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:54   or also show anything else on screen with that face you can't do it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:58   no there's no customization that face furthermore if you're on that face and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:02   think one or two others I think the immune system anyway if you're on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   face if you hit if you scroll the wheel slightly on the digital crown while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:12   you're trying to hit it to go to the home screen any slight school is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:16   interpreted as you're moving the Sun around and watch face and it canceled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:20   the button push and so you're like stuck in the watch face and that I found that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:25   very error prone as used in that phase where I i kept accidentally scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:29   slightly when I touched the wheel and not being able to go to the home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:33   I wanted so that was frustrating but for the most part once I found what I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:38   which was the utility face I'm I'm very happy with with with it as a watch it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:43   really quite nice again you know like you like UKC in and like Jason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:48   wouldn't I would make some small changes to the complications like that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:52   like the empty state for things like the timer or when there's an event where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:57   counter thing but there's when you have nothing for the day it says no events in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:01   these big letters like him just be blank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:04   you know stuff like that like that the blank states of these things could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   some help I have mine set with a with a timer at the bottom there people start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:12   time are fully guaranteed cooking something and the timer when you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:16   nothing is set it had little timer icon next to has the word set which is done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:21   just have the timer icon why do the words set I know that when it's empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:25   you tap it a breeze the time that's great why you that so I do like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:30   these things on the watch face I do recommend if you're if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:35   watch for setting up I do recommend keeping it simple and that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:39   personal preference but I i find that i'm happier the less stuff is on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:45   watch face and the fewer classes I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:48   and the advantage of this information density reason there's stress reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:52   but just like this also battery reasons to have a list of updating all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55   and it's also easier to navigate when you only have a few things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:59   really care about its easier to see it easier to school with fewer things so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:03   recommend keeping your watch set up very simple but young people will figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:07   for themselves I think about repair ability because i fix it has had a tear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:13   down and it was I felt like it was fairly surprising even knowing full well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:19   that this thing was not large and is going to be jam-packed I was stunned by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:25   how much stuff is crammed into that little tiny case especially since my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:30   recollection of trying on the watch is this that they were not terribly heavy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:35   mean the link bracelet wait quite a bit but the watch it's the one watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:39   themselves were not terribly heavy and Josh there's a lot of stuff in there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:45   they do we think that the s1 is going to be upgradeable in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:50   this tear down think your member of the deficit tear down is everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:54   doomed way in so no matter how large the devices they fill the frame with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:59   thing so it seems like you know because I i've only about it in person actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:06   on somebody instead of in a store still haven't gone to trial but anyway there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:10   too much smaller than I thought they would be like all the apples pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:13   they look huge many people have bought the 42 and thought they have mistakenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:17   got the the smaller size 38 or whatever it is because they're smaller than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3617">TS</a>]

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01:00:27   the key thing is not look at all that stuff the key thing is look how small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3627">TS</a>]

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01:00:45   component being points even those components like the size of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3645">TS</a>]

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01:01:03   when they got the s1 model out of the wash putting this mess out as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:07   destructive procedure but after ripping out some solder connectors we got our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:10   first real look at the s1 despite rumors in hopes of an upgradeable prague the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:14   difficulty of removing the s1 alone cast serious doubt on the idea of simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3674">TS</a>]

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01:01:22   surgery on Apple devices and getting them apart getting the pieces out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:25   they're saying basically to get the s1 out you have to just a rip off a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:30   of things like it is destructive process but suppose you could just about all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:33   guts like just you know shuttle I can always turn everything out of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:38   just put entirely new cuts inside it but even that look like the type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3698">TS</a>]

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01:01:50   of times a day rather than just having someone in the back room scrape the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:53   stuff out to even look like to reseed all these things and Riku and see all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:58   these things and reconnect all these connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   into not even available wanted to have internal swaps it does not look like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3721">TS</a>]

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01:02:33   together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3753">TS</a>]

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01:03:46   wanted under my watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3826">TS</a>]

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01:03:51   top of the s1 yes what is at the bottom and take it out you have to basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:58   take everything out of the watch later Porsche Boxster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3838">TS</a>]

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01:04:58   specifically with respect to the addition because it's so darn expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3898">TS</a>]

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01:05:10   way and if you can afford one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3910">TS</a>]

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01:05:40   go through the iFixit guide for the past five or 10 years or however long I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:44   that's been around probably not ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3944">TS</a>]

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01:05:55   have one of those things to do but they did that they like nothing in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3955">TS</a>]

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01:06:02   else that any kind of sort of framing mechanism more like caged your guard or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3962">TS</a>]

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01:06:10   down till all there is like a lumen and battery motherboard like every anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:14   that is not essential has been removed including key travel report so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:19   don't like it when it comes down to it can we went more stuff in yes by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:23   sacrificing the ease of repair totally do it and so that is that's kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3983">TS</a>]

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01:06:35   give us your additional to the yank out all the insides and put it all new guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/3995">TS</a>]

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01:06:44   the magical fairyland where the Grinch takes a Christmas tree perot-like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:48   can send your computer there too and then like something happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:53   feels better to like are we gonna send out for repairing you eat you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4013">TS</a>]

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01:07:00   precision nano machines and robots and like but it's not it's just different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4020">TS</a>]

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01:07:35   but the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4055">TS</a>]

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01:08:06   telling me they were taking the IMAX screens off and not getting dust behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4086">TS</a>]

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01:08:38   case or bottom case or whatever that that's that is much more straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4118">TS</a>]

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01:08:56   still possible given the iFixit teardown but not likely for all the other reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4136">TS</a>]

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01:09:01   in the past about going to buy a new one so you will I think at best we would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4141">TS</a>]

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01:09:19   treated with you stuff inside I think you might get back a brand new watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:24   you might get some token rebate for the open the etrade it and and even that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4164">TS</a>]

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01:12:53   Microsoft had their first day of I think it was the first day of their build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:58   conference which is kind of Microsoft WPC when suddenly takes place in moscow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:03   any West there were a couple of big announcements I was interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:09   first one was Visual Studio code now despite the fact that this has Visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:15   Studio in the name in a lot of ways it is not the traditional visual studio but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:20   what's interesting about it is one way or another regardless of the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:23   it is cross-platform it will run on August and it will run on Linux and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:27   will run on Windows key and Visual Studio code at a glance looks like Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:34   the editor that we talked about quite a long time ago that was written by get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:38   hub it it looks like it looks like Adam but with a little bit of Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:45   player on it and that's not necessarily a bad thing in fact one of the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:50   appealing things to it is that has really get intellisense and in case you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   don't know what intelligence is it's the code completion and the little tool tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:59   that pops up that helps you complete code and as someone who's worked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:03   Xcode a fair bit and makes his living working in Visual Studio I can tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:09   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4449">TS</a>]

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01:14:15   news two clips for years and years and years thank goodness but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:19   remember eclipse being any better anyway so it looks just like Adam well come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:24   find out it actually is Adam in some way shape or form and I really dug into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:30   mechanism by which all this is held together by there is at least a part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:36   Adam included in the package that is Visual Studio code I did try Visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:41   Studio coed I tried it shortly after was it came out and one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4481">TS</a>]

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01:15:02   opened up my project my camel project and one of the first things I did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:10   try to run and I tried to run it and I got a message saying well you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:18   because you don't have mono installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4518">TS</a>]

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01:15:36   a month and it also makes it hard for months and you get it by kissing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:39   so so it says only don't have mono installed ok fine so I brew install mono [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4539">TS</a>]

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01:15:52   debug again and it's a no really you don't have money so I was tweeting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:59   general and also tweeting at code which is the Twitter handle that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:03   somehow god I know how they landed that but I tweeted it code and said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:08   was saying oh this is weird is not working right now working right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:11   within an hour or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:13   the guy that was in the introductory video I think it's Chris Davis I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4573">TS</a>]

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01:16:21   video is trading at me saying hey hey have you tried this have you tried that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4581">TS</a>]

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01:16:32   keynote in trying something and then that re keys tweeted yet you saying oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:38   did you try this thing or the other thing what that's amazing that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:43   that means Microsoft is hungry it does no you're absolutely right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4603">TS</a>]

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01:16:51   to find out that Chris had a couple of really good pointers and it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4611">TS</a>]

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01:17:10   homebrew version and install the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4630">TS</a>]

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01:17:34   actually Visual Studio except in name it felt kinda similar to Visual Studio like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4654">TS</a>]

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01:20:33   Studio like you can't get enough time you need if you want to do this thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:37   have an idea we have the strategy we talked about it a bit it's gonna let us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   do is cross platform stuff you want to have an editor I want people that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:43   develop on the Mac can we make a new Mac editor from scratch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:46   no we don't have time we'd like how fast can we get to market and the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:50   Microsoft was too proud or you know too stubborn to to do what they're doing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4850">TS</a>]

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01:20:59   engine that get how to use to make it that they give us a huge head start and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4859">TS</a>]

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01:21:08   put that to the Mac and even if we did it would be kind of credit so let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4868">TS</a>]

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01:21:16   operating system we tried three times in the dinner were committed by somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4876">TS</a>]

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01:21:23   bequeathed by next they made the right move there but this is not something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:28   that that you do when you're in the driver's seat if anything this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4888">TS</a>]

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01:21:52   of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:52   the new Microsoft doesn't have time to do everything itself which is probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:57   good thing but you know they didn't make him get home made Adam didn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4917">TS</a>]

01:22:03   electron get how did they didn't make the chrome engine you know Google did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:07   and Apple made WebKit and like the value they're adding their market trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:12   add value where they can but they are standing on the shoulders of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:16   other companies that used to that they used to be the Giants and now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19   standing on the shoulders all these other companies someone should mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   exist when Microsoft ruled the roost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:24   it's very true this visual studio code thing I really dig it in the very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:30   brief amount of time spent with it and it is far and away the best no debugger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:34   I've tried but I'm a very immature note programmers so there may be some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:39   packager product out there and just not aware of but their common that name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:44   no debugger don't even know where to go from here so that was Visual Studio code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:53   you should definitely try doubts free download it's it's worth at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55   checking out the other really interesting thing that they talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4975">TS</a>]

01:23:00   which unfortunately we haven't heard a lot of technical details about yet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:05   two different projects one of them is called island would and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:09   Astoria cover those in reverse project story is a to allow Android apps Iran on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:17   I believe it was Windows Phone only and this is vaguely similar to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:22   blackberry did way back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:23   and basically any apk so any Android app that's been built that doesn't use any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:33   other proprietary Google stuff so my my understanding of Android is that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:38   the Android Open Source project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:40   and then as a Supercenter subset of that out as an addition to that is the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:49   mobile services which has things like Google Maps and things of that nature if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:53   yer apt strictly stays within the API's that are part of the open-source Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:58   then you can take your APK drop it in Windows and it will run supposedly no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5038">TS</a>]

01:24:05   problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06   the thing that I haven't been made clear though is is this how is this working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:11   from a technical perspective in in I don't know if this is like a wine kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:15   of situation was a back room for wine leak something is not windows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:20   something like that but anyway the wine is the app that allows you to run win32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:27   on Linux and wine is not an emulator that's going to be my guess that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:35   I was thinking I thank you that that's what I was thinking anyway so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:40   know this is like a wine sort of thing or not I'm not sure what the mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   is for this working under the hood but supposedly you'll be able to run certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:47   apks in Windows without any modification whatsoever so any thoughts on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:54   before I move on the island what am I get this is one of those noted on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:57   days where an announcement is made on the day that we record the notice that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5097">TS</a>]

01:25:01   really had time to read about this stuff or watch the thing but my understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:04   from watching tweets from people I think you know what they're talking about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:07   that the the iOS compatibility is you take your source code and you can pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:13   we're not there yet we're only talking about injury might help of I'm comparing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:18   and contrasting you take your choice going to compile it and the Android one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:22   is you take your Android app and you run it and that's different like even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:27   have the source here and I don't think that's how it works I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:30   say I'll pick your Android app and compile it like so that the mix that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:33   that's a big difference in how they're gonna implement things if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:36   recompiling it that means binary compatibility but of course the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:40   apps are written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:41   the dow victory against the Del McCoury band which is there don't call a job a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:45   job of the M so the bytecode involved so why would they need to recompile it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:50   it got by code they can run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52   JDM spec can probably expect car or something that they can reverse engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:56   or read documentation for so it's much more straightforward and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5156">TS</a>]

01:26:00   wine because it's not native code to begin with it's you know it's the job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:05   bytecode stuff interesting points you chose so that's i think thats how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:09   they're getting away with you don't have to recompile it's not source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12   compatibility and it's not like a wine where they like stepping out a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:16   things it's like they're they're just implementing the Java Virtual Machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:20   and the API is that it links against I guess but you don't have to just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:24   your binary and running this is again from from not having watched a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:27   presentation just seeing people's tweets this is my understanding and yes I let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:30   the cat out of the bag with the IRS thing which everybody knows by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   they're doing that entirely differently that you have to have your source code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:36   and then you can pilot against a bunch of their libraries which are not apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:40   libraries but hopefully have all the same API compatible and good luck with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:44   that right so that's the island would think in in just like jon said you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:49   take an Xcode project and suck it into Visual Studio and and then recompile it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:54   against a quote a middleware layer quotes and apparently the magic happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5214">TS</a>]

01:27:00   and then you've got a window into not only is a Windows app it's a universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:06   Windows apps presumably it can run on the desktop can run on a tablet it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:12   run on the phone you can just about anywhere thats Windows what I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:17   interested to see is what exactly is doing all of this and it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:22   pointing out the subjective see only as well what is this middleware layer how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:26   is held together what is really going on here but I did read in our study will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:31   link this in the show notes I think I read it on are stacking up somewhere I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:35   have read that not only does this island would support just general kinda sorta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:42   cross compilation but it even supports UIKit and even more importantly than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:47   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:48   at or animation and if you've never written IRS Code before court animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:53   is phenomenal and it's an amazingly easy way to say yeah make that things just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:58   kind of dance over that side of the screen and it takes very little code to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:03   make really really flew it really impressive animations happen and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:06   in part why so many iOS apps look so darn good is because for developers even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:10   even one who has no visual chops like myself you can make really decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:15   animations really really easily and the fact that coordination got ported or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:19   whatever is pretty impressive to me so I've been told on Twitter that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:24   session where they talk about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:26   the mechanisms behind all of this will be happening tomorrow afternoon just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:30   Thursday afternoon as we record this I don't have the time to watch it anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:34   soon because life has been a little busy lately pied I hope at some point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:38   I'll be able to check it out and report back on how this is all held together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   because this certainly sounds extremely impressive although we'll see if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:47   actually really particularly functional in over the next few weeks I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:52   that being said candy crush saga the bastion of excellent programming has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:57   already been running on this project I would it sounds like the kind of bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5337">TS</a>]

01:29:01   new step the other member good news that I've certainly heard the name but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:05   be out there like so if you have Apple doesn't give you the source code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:09   teicholz cocoa and all of you I K like some of that the Darwin source code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:12   includes some you know I think its some core foundation stops in there ever been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:16   a most of the stuff is not open source but they do publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   documentation and you can get the header files for all the objective studies it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:22   may be hard to find and what they do is roughly 29 so you could just look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:27   API's and the headers and documentation and use an actual Mac to figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:32   things work and you could make a working like a library for your platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:36   that's kind of a good news tip as I was trying to take the open stepped-up which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:39   also wasn't open source I don't know if it ever was and say we would like to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:44   able to ride programs without the square brackets on Linux too but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:48   going to give us the code so can we just sort of reverse engineering make a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:52   of libraries with exactly the same phone from state exactly the same argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:55   that behaving exactly the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   but are still be open source and that happen you know it like any sort of open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5397">TS</a>]

01:30:01   source volunteer led effort very difficult to keep pace with like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:06   and all their engineers adding changes to cocoa and everything so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:09   how far can you step aside as kept up but this effort seems like that all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:14   funded by Microsoft a lot more people if you're going to compile my you I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:19   application source code without having Apple's code for the UIKit frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:24   you will have to have framework with the same names with the same functions to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:28   link against otherwise nothing is going to work and we're going to get those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:31   from you can have to write them yourselves and make sure they behave in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:33   the same way as Apple's there and that is humongous job and that is so unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:38   Microsoft because now you're sort of signing up to try to keep pace with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:41   Apple's rapid development of their libraries and you're telling people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:45   you know not even part throughout the ages bring your source code over it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:50   compile in our platform as a way to get more applications for your platform but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:54   you don't even have your own platform at that point all you have is another place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:57   where you know people are writing at Apple's platform and they can also by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5457">TS</a>]

01:31:01   the way we use that work to sort of going your platform as an afterthought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:03   on your platform at that point same thing with the end right out like is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:08   does why bother having an API if you know I understand that underlie go we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:14   need more apps on our platform we can get more apps by saying hey it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:17   easy to take your existing Android or iOS that bring it up but then do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:21   even have a pop at that point who in the world is ever going to try to get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:24   API are you really gonna put a lot of effort into improving your API you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:27   be spending all your time chasing these other API that you don't even control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:30   they can be changed in ways that intentionally or accidentally break your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:34   compatibility both of these companies could decide to sue you probably not go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:38   cuz articles are suing them over the jobs they get cranky and be like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:42   like the cocoa API is copyrighted and you can't bottle with Java suit right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:47   depending on that sticks out because I might not have been on strong legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:51   footing this I'm interested in the technical details as well but strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:57   was like I see the benefits we we're desperately need to get more apps on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:02   platform this is my way to do it and usually like file format wise as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:06   approaches his work for Microsoft in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   of like we can read wordperfect warm out of its a good example SunAmerica did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:12   that but like the way to get if your marketing is an entrenched leader you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:16   need your application to you need to make it so that using your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:20   is as easy as possible for the people who use your computing application I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:23   was not a big deal we can read your files will impart them we can we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:26   save in your old format like everything is great you know like sort of just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:31   smooth upgrade path because you're not in a position to say drop everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:34   come to our pipeline that tried that it didn't work out now they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:38   say is that a big deal like I know you got that but like you might wanna make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:42   Windows version of it to its really easy you bring your source code over we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:45   compiled a couple of tweaks here and there hey why not write guys that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:49   a strong pitch but that is that you know that the thin edge of the wedge if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:53   you're lucky but if you're not lucky all you're doing is just further doing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:56   own platform to never be a real problem that you control well and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5576">TS</a>]

01:33:01   this really solves the problem of why there aren't more apps on Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:06   and windows all the more modern Windows platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:10   the problem is is really not that we were waiting for being able to share the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:16   same code because he said there's tons of problems that tons problems as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:20   developer I don't think I would trust that to be a stable long-term way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:25   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:25   first of all like if I come out there and and if I let's move on my code into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:30   this thing and I can compile it actually does work and I can ship overcast for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:34   Windows Phone using this crazy set up I'm gonna then tell people this I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:40   gonna announce this animated get customers who were on Windows Phones who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:44   are paying for the app that's all it's all based on this crazy setup continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:50   to work into the future and that's something that I would not want to rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:55   my my customer trust on and my reputation on and it would it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5635">TS</a>]

01:34:00   definitely become yet another thing I would have to maintain separately yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:05   another thing that would have separate support issues separate bugs it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:09   have all the downsides of a new platform in addition to the massive liability of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:15   this of this compatibility layer that it would all depend on my I wouldn't trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:20   that end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:21   the reason why there aren't more developers making apps for Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:27   System and and all the artists from Metro is the reason why there are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:32   of these is not because we were waiting for a code to cross compile its because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:38   a none of us use these platforms basically there are some effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:43   zero relative to the to the market so none of the developers who are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:47   the kinds of apps that people want to be forms are using themselves and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:52   aren't that many people in the marketplace of buying these platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:55   especially the kind of people who would be willing and able to install the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5695">TS</a>]

01:35:02   of apps that we make and then that that's that's a big you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:06   that's a big limitation right there like that rules out most enterprise customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:10   that rules out a whole lot of Windows users so you know people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:14   actually buy these apps that kind of Absa that iOS programmers make and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:19   repairs make people would actually buy them and use them whether they market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:22   their this that's a very big question and they just don't have the unit sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:28   to support that in in the mobile platform in on the PC platform it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:32   usually not use that way so there really is no reason for developers to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:39   ahora time and Windows Phone right now and that might change in the future but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:43   right now that's it's it's just there is unjustified and this is gonna change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:49   that anything they do on the cold side is not going to change that they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51   the need to change the market like the market of their devices and other their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:56   platforms that's what has to change I don't know how you go about changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:59   that but there's no amount of like bribing developers or making things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:05   easier for developers that can really solve that problem on a big scale well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:09   you can see that the company thanks candy cane something with their name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:14   is not bothered by the sort of you know reputation and support concerned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:19   you are like its shuttle where does the term in the game industry for a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:24   alright we can make a Windows version really easily shareable do that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:28   whatever its in especially with games or it's like not much native UI anyway they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:32   have the manpower to to chase the weird bugs out on that or they just see it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:37   a small amount of incremental income for not much extra money or you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:41   this is going to get more obligations and their platform but I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:45   it's a net win for them and that's like addressing it like you stole my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:49   you have more software and if you have more software you might sell more phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51   like that ranged from every possible angle again not that they're in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:55   position Apple in the nineties but I get a similar vibe like what I back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:58   Apple was desperate much more desperate than Microsoft probably ever be they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:03   were willing to try all those ideas that people have been telling them for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:06   they should do like you know trial license CEOs try making a TV tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:11   making x86 compatible things try selling your computers and seniors you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:16   they were doing everything that anyone had ever told them that you might want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:20   to try and call them you know like there is a reason they hadn't done them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:24   past the clones what is the worst thing ever and telling you should licensee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:29   operating system used to play with Microsoft you shouldn't be so stubborn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:33   and training been doing yourself use things that other people have died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:36   without stirring things are all Android App Store on Windows make Windows remake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:41   windows open source like just called list of like a list of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:45   people have said Microsoft should try and it slowly tries them you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:49   they were always bad ideas or its too late or both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:53   so I don't know why I kind of like the new Microsoft in there doing exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:59   things but they I feel like they're losing control of their platform if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:05   like they had a good platform to potential growth path and just a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:09   of bad mistakes they've they're no longer masters of their own destiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:14   so many ways that it's depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:17   but I agree with that but man is it interesting to watch is now I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:22   just so fun to watch what what they're doing even if they're making more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:26   missteps which I don't know that they're making missteps but they are definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5906">TS</a>]

01:38:30   desperately he said the cash is it fun to watch and it fell faster than most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:35   part like they're trying lots of things that they don't stick they move on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:38   in one respect that makes you not trustworthy as the company is people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:42   don't want to buy a product like to i really wanna buy that cuz if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:46   succeed really well it's gonna be a dead end on the other hand they do need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:50   find something that works and so it's better than picking a strategy that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:53   going to save the company and sticking with five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:56   stubbornly refusing to see that the day you strategy is not working they are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5936">TS</a>]

01:39:01   know I closed that the Microsoft wristband thing what are called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:05   Microsoft banned I believe ya like so that I i thought that was a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:09   product but did it sell in big enough numbers that they're going to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:12   Microsoft and two and three and four if you bought a Microsoft and you gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:16   kind of sore that like you know I kinda like Microsoft and they just not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:20   one because it wasn't a hit at the Apple came out it couldn't compete like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:24   don't know what the balance is there should they abandoned Microsoft banned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:27   because it didn't work out or should they say you know it was a pretty these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:30   version one product it is differentiated from the Apple Logic interesting well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:34   let's make a burden to an aversion to reenter version for quite know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:39   right thing to do I think Microsoft so much stronger footing with that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:42   because that is they are the masters of their own destiny there that platform is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:47   different than Amazon Web Services and easy to whatever though Google is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:51   it like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:53   is a contemporary it is in the running with all the other things that are out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:56   there as a lot of good reports it's the great things about that all the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00   things about the new measures up don't tied to Windows only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:02   don't make it a Trojan horse to try to get our technology those people things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:05   be open use JSON accept other languages be really good at what you do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:10   think still as their flagship that obvious Xbox their two flagship non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:15   embarrassing no excuses no stupid Microsoft BS for the most part the low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:19   bid on the Xbox one products but windows at this point and everything involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:24   with Windows and Windows on phone then when I computers and tablets it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:29   mess I don't know it's it's interesting to watch it and I am I am very surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:35   by some of the moves are making but we'll see I'm definitely gonna try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:40   watch the session tomorrow afternoon and see what the technical explanations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:45   behind all this I mean I don't think it's really not solve anything for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:48   for all the reasons that both you guys expressed on top of that I mean even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:52   I could cross compile a fast X was a good argument I could cross compile fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:57   tax its go it's going to be on an operating system that has a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:01   paradigm than iOS and so it's going to feel out of place like this this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:06   ton of issues that associated with it well what am i testing autonomy gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:09   buy a Lumia just a test for fast acts like so many problems here but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:15   they are trying to cover all bases and they want to be able to say well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:19   know what this this Windows Phone thing didn't really work out but we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:22   everything we could we even cross compiled Objective C that's how serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:27   we were about it and you know it just didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:30   yeah how did that team must that team went with the biggest secrets can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6090">TS</a>]

01:41:38   dollars doesn't like seriously I mean I don't know maybe they didn't start this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:42   project laughter but I I'd assume that is so much work that it was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6102">TS</a>]

01:41:45   then whatever instead it's like well you know you're kinda scared or the park was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:51   on the whole Objective C cross compiling thing there at least it seems that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:57   alright thanks a lot for three spots this week Backblaze casper and Harry's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6117">TS</a>]

01:42:02   and we will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:06   now the show they didn't even mean to begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:11   it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:14   accidental John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:22   and you can be done and if Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6142">TS</a>]

01:43:05   is anything else we have to talk I can tell you more about the law to mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:11   had a so so on this week's connected I haven't listened yet ok well I wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:16   spoil one part of it is a no spoiler it isn't so mike mike was saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:23   because the watch is really not a 2012 device like you know that the hand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:29   that it's being worn on can't interact with the screen unless you have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:34   crazy hand I've never seen before but for the most part most human hands won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:37   be able to interact with it from the hand of wearing the watch so you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:41   use your other hand to actually touch the screen the buttons so really it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:45   two-handed device it's not like a phone you can use entirely within one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:50   because the same hand holding it can be using it to six plus watches are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:55   that way so mike was saying that he is already on many occasions used his nose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6235">TS</a>]

01:44:02   to touch the screen on the watch even going as far as to hit buttons with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:06   nose to reply to text messages which is awesome and they all made fun of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:11   unconnected for saying this however I'm here to say that I have done that too I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:16   have not gone as far as pushing buttons but I have you my news to wake up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:21   screen to show me the time if the risk thing is failing and I need to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:25   time for something for my grass suggestion absolutely my great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:30   suggestion and also my suggestion is someone with a very large nose is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:33   your time is probably more precise pointing device that is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:37   suggestion but i dont wanna get my screen all wet or liggett that's true I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:41   said it was gross I'm just throwing that out there and that he receives your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:44   concern and germs are not are you want to strengthen your immune system by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:47   taking in lots of foreign germs go for the town as someone who is blessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:54   a particularly large NAS from what are you talking about you do not have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:59   nose I'm half Italian and half Jewish I will not have a big nose you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6299">TS</a>]

01:45:05   a big nose you have you have an average and whatever anyways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:09   accent on those podcast everything all comparing those only boring small anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:17   there's so many jokes I can make it anyway so I use my schnoz especially in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:27   bed to hit the back button on my iPhone I don't know why I do that all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:35   but i do and i dont have watched to try it on way way way way way why to hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:41   back button like a web browser what do you wanna know the upper left hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6341">TS</a>]

01:45:46   corner of the screen because my hand isn't big enough to reach the upper left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6346">TS</a>]

01:45:50   hand corner of the screen changes to enhance shammy way using your nose gear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:54   over there is no I'm not using that time I have I can you get everything with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6354">TS</a>]

01:46:00   hand on my phone I don't have a watch I'm just saying to the people who find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:03   themselves like carrier bag of groceries and having to watch the need to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:06   specific bun for Mike specifically I don't feel like I could hit with my nose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6366">TS</a>]

01:46:10   if you like my nose touches the entire screen or not that's not a precision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:15   pointing to my either way it's so much quicker than the handshake me to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:21   smacked the damn phone with my nose and so much easier so have you enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:27   yourself doing that's a tough injury to explain now the amount of times I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6387">TS</a>]

01:46:33   dropped my phone on my face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:34   unrelated to using my nose as a pointing device is immeasurable I've done that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:40   many times I can't even tell you how you like laying on your back and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6400">TS</a>]

01:46:44   it propped on your chest now typically I'm holding it up and I you maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:49   like winter time and only have one hand out of the covers because I'm cold and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6409">TS</a>]

01:46:54   so rather than doing the shimmy or pulling my might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:58   extremely comfortably warm hand out of the covers all just smacked with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6418">TS</a>]

01:47:03   news that your wife see you do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:06   oh yeah she's stuck when married she stuck there's nothing she can do now to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:10   save myself if I saw somebody do that I would take a second look like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:14   what is going on at the end I think if someone to the watch but their nose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:18   especially again if they were like struggling with a bag of groceries I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6438">TS</a>]

01:47:21   would like to understand but if if it able-bodied person with two free hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:25   is helping some of the phone with their nose at me like that just read write to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:32   me I feel like there are better options I hope that someday I I get to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:37   somebody else like out in the world in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:41   hit their smart watch with their nose is that I'm sure I feel like I said I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:46   said that I've done this but I have I don't think I've done it in public like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:49   in my house I don't think I would do it in public I think I was more embarrassed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6469">TS</a>]

01:47:55   by that they would be picking my nose in public it's like it's no worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6475">TS</a>]

01:48:00   probably actually better than the thing that i dun myself like 11 coming into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:04   the house carrying a bunch of things like putting something in your mouth you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:08   can get like putting me you know I did not your phone but like holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:11   something in your mouth so you can get a free hand to do something you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6491">TS</a>]

01:48:15   when you're carrying a lot of things using your mouth is it as a third man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:18   told something you can usually what you're holding is just as grows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:23   grocer then you're watching might be you know I mean I don't do that thats gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:27   you don't like it when you have a lot of stuff been you know or even if it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:36   someone calls you on the phone and you want to answer the phone but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:39   your keys you have something else to put your keys in your mouth but the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:41   her own you know you see in the movies all the time and I know I've done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:44   myself to do that sort of lip curl under things you're not actually like touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:48   your mouth mouth thing you're holding it just as bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:52   probably anyway but I think the hope the whole germaphobe thing of like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6532">TS</a>]

01:48:55   want to pay them out they might have germs on it like if you do that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:59   will not lead to a strong immune system you should be kicking dirt filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6539">TS</a>]

01:49:03   animal poop and shoving it into your mouth when you're in a global wow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:11   rest assured that your top there either is or will be in both cases doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6551">TS</a>]

01:49:15   anyway so they are strengthening their immune system health antibiotics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQFArAc/6555">TS</a>]