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535: Proper Governance

 

00:00:00   [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:00:03   From Relay, this is Connected, episode 535.

00:00:11   Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace and NetSuite.

00:00:14   I'm your annual chairman, Federico Vittucci,

00:00:16   and it's my pleasure to introduce Mr. Steven Hackett

00:00:19   to the show.

00:00:19   Hello, Steven.

00:00:20   Man, I don't have a title.

00:00:22   It's bumming me out.

00:00:23   Well--

00:00:25   Do better, right?

00:00:25   Just get good.

00:00:26   [LAUGHTER]

00:00:29   You got to get good.

00:00:31   Make better guesses.

00:00:32   I am joined by our keynote chairman, Mr. Mike Hurley.

00:00:37   Still feels good to have a name.

00:00:38   A name, yeah.

00:00:40   I'm happy to still have something

00:00:42   to hold on to for a while.

00:00:44   That's good.

00:00:44   Hey, speaking of holding on to things,

00:00:49   we need to make something right.

00:00:52   In September, during the podcastathon,

00:00:54   we had a segment in which we taught Jason how to coin flip.

00:00:59   And he graduated coin flip university.

00:01:04   So we need to update the bill of Rickies.

00:01:09   I still think we can use dice by p-calc, but in person,

00:01:13   I think Jason could be allowed to make coin flips again.

00:01:19   So I think we just take out the lifetime ban bullet point.

00:01:22   Oh, my-- oh, my god.

00:01:24   We're doing it?

00:01:25   We're doing it.

00:01:25   He successfully flipped a coin multiple times.

00:01:29   It was-- it was--

00:01:30   Federico was weird.

00:01:31   I was there, and I don't really believe it.

00:01:33   The man knows how to do it now.

00:01:35   So it isn't fair to uphold the ban.

00:01:38   It's like watching somebody learning, I don't know,

00:01:41   how to smoke or whatever.

00:01:43   Like, he's doing it now.

00:01:44   I mean, or just flip a coin, which is what he did then.

00:01:48   Or whistling, you know?

00:01:49   Like, as he continued to whistle.

00:01:51   What I'll say is, because we've got to observe the rules,

00:01:54   let's just make a mark on the bill of Rickies.

00:01:56   We will need to come back to this when the time is right,

00:01:59   and we will adjust the wording.

00:02:01   OK.

00:02:02   I will do a comment.

00:02:03   For context, I will say, whenever we do it,

00:02:07   I would still like to maintain in the written form the fact

00:02:13   that Jason was bad at it before and then got good.

00:02:20   It's like Jason Snell previously had a lifetime ban

00:02:23   on flipping coins in relation to the Rickies.

00:02:26   However.

00:02:27   However, yes.

00:02:28   And there needs to be the word "however" at some point

00:02:31   in the phrasing.

00:02:32   OK.

00:02:33   All right.

00:02:33   OK.

00:02:34   I'm making a comment on the page in Notion.

00:02:36   So next time we play a game, we will look at this.

00:02:39   And I will also just state for the record, based on--

00:02:42   it's not in my power to summarize

00:02:44   the amount of feedback that we have received

00:02:46   about the previous games.

00:02:48   Let's just say, like, we're all aware

00:02:49   that there could be some potential issues

00:02:51   with the new Bill of Rickies, but the fun will

00:02:53   be finding that out together.

00:02:55   Yeah.

00:02:56   We'll see.

00:02:57   It's basically what I'm going to say is, we'll see how it goes.

00:03:00   And we're all going to go on this world of adventure

00:03:03   together as we score this throughout the year.

00:03:05   Something that I thought about, like,

00:03:06   is if there is an Apple event during my parental leave,

00:03:13   there's going to be some interesting--

00:03:16   because obviously, I will nominate somebody, right,

00:03:18   to play the game.

00:03:19   It's just like when I was gone in October.

00:03:21   No big deal.

00:03:22   Sure.

00:03:22   But you had nothing to lose.

00:03:24   So if that person loses for me, then--

00:03:27   Then they lose.

00:03:28   --then I don't know.

00:03:28   Then I don't know.

00:03:29   No, no.

00:03:30   I will have to contest it.

00:03:31   You make them your stand-in.

00:03:33   I'll have to contest it, because I don't know about you,

00:03:36   but I know the Bill of Rickies, and there's

00:03:38   nothing in the Bill of Rickies that talks about this.

00:03:40   Well, you should have thought that before you had a kid.

00:03:43   That's why I had my children before the Bill of Rickies,

00:03:46   to avoid this.

00:03:47   That is not why that happened.

00:03:49   We'll see.

00:03:49   What I'm saying is, I'm sure it will be fine,

00:03:52   but we'll see, you know?

00:03:54   You got to pick somebody good.

00:03:55   True champion or not.

00:03:57   Maybe I'll pick one of you.

00:03:59   That would be complicated.

00:04:02   You thought about that?

00:04:03   You know, who knows what's going to happen.

00:04:05   We'll find out.

00:04:05   Maybe Federico and I play against ChatGBT, you know?

00:04:09   No, we did that once, didn't we?

00:04:11   We played with ChatGBT once, and the people

00:04:14   who make the Rickies websites were very upset with us.

00:04:17   They were upset.

00:04:18   It's true.

00:04:19   The eternal struggle.

00:04:20   That's the eternal struggle.

00:04:21   It's true.

00:04:22   We'll see what happens.

00:04:22   I don't think it's something I need to worry about,

00:04:24   because I don't think there's going

00:04:25   to be an Apple event before WWDC, but you can never know.

00:04:29   No, I think there'll be some new products,

00:04:31   potentially, when you're out, but I think

00:04:32   it's all press release stuff.

00:04:33   You're not going to have a video for an M4 iPad Air or an M4

00:04:38   MacBook Air.

00:04:40   Well, lots of people will tell you that the iPhone SE is

00:04:42   the most important phone that Apple makes,

00:04:44   so they'll do an event for that, but I

00:04:46   don't think that that's the case by any stretch.

00:04:50   Follow up.

00:04:52   Speaking of devices that people think

00:04:53   are more important than they actually are--

00:04:54   Oh my gosh.

00:04:56   Wow, OK.

00:04:57   Let's talk about the big iPad Air.

00:04:59   Stephen, what did people write in to tell us about?

00:05:01   So many people wrote in to tell us

00:05:03   that they love the big iPad Air.

00:05:04   So listener Robbie wrote in.

00:05:08   This is Robbie.

00:05:08   "I'm a musician and teacher and know many professionals

00:05:11   who only buy the Pro model iPad to use

00:05:15   the app Four Score to read sheet music at a legible size."

00:05:20   Four Score has come up before on Mac power users.

00:05:22   When we interview musicians, it's very popular.

00:05:25   But it's not-- go back to Robbie-- it's not power hungry.

00:05:28   You don't need an iPad Pro to run it.

00:05:29   People just want the big screen.

00:05:31   "Many of my peers were pleased at the announcement

00:05:33   of a more affordable large iPad and will likely

00:05:36   update to the large Air next cycle using it

00:05:40   only for live performances."

00:05:42   And Robbie has a link.

00:05:44   We'll put it in the show notes talking

00:05:46   about their rehearsal tech setup, which

00:05:48   I found really interesting.

00:05:49   So good use there, I think.

00:05:53   And then listener Duncan wrote in.

00:05:55   "Another reason that the 13-inch iPad Air exists

00:05:58   is for businesses.

00:05:59   I have multiple local restaurants

00:06:01   in my city that have a 13-inch iPad Pro at the host stand

00:06:05   to run the seating application."

00:06:07   So like, you know, these booths are taken.

00:06:10   These are waiting, that sort of thing.

00:06:12   This is obviously overkill for the powerful iPad Pro.

00:06:15   I'm sure there are other business applications that

00:06:18   would be a better fit for the 13-inch iPad Air.

00:06:21   A lower cost is a win for these small businesses.

00:06:25   Also good.

00:06:27   Also good.

00:06:28   So yeah, people are excited about it, you know?

00:06:31   As they should be.

00:06:32   But it doesn't sound like any of these people

00:06:34   have actually bought one.

00:06:37   Well, I mean, Robbie sounds like he's going to.

00:06:39   Yeah, but he hasn't.

00:06:40   So he might change his mind when the time comes.

00:06:43   What if they made a bigger iPad Mini, like a 13-inch iPad Mini?

00:06:46   Yeah, what if, you know?

00:06:50   You know?

00:06:51   We want Apple to get weird.

00:06:53   Let's do it.

00:06:53   Come on, Apple, think about it.

00:06:55   Think about it.

00:06:55   iPad Mini Plus.

00:06:57   iPad Mini Max.

00:07:00   Uh-huh.

00:07:01   See, they need you in these rooms, Steven.

00:07:03   You know, Apple really went downhill after I quit, you know?

00:07:07   Yes, that's true.

00:07:09   I forget that when you said that,

00:07:10   forgot that you worked at Apple.

00:07:12   Yeah, I was a genius, you know?

00:07:15   Conflict of interest right there, you know?

00:07:17   Wow.

00:07:18   I never worked at Apple.

00:07:19   I never worked at Apple.

00:07:20   Federico, you ever worked at Apple?

00:07:22   Never.

00:07:24   Can Steven be trusted, really?

00:07:25   Like, if you think about it?

00:07:26   I'm not sure.

00:07:28   Oh, I don't trust anyone.

00:07:30   That's how you get around it.

00:07:31   That's the way to do it.

00:07:32   Can't have a conflict of interest

00:07:34   if there's no interest, you know?

00:07:37   And if I'm always conflicting, you know?

00:07:40   Constant conflict, zero interest.

00:07:42   Please, conflict is my father.

00:07:45   Steven, you wrote an article about your UniFi setup.

00:07:47   Oh, I did.

00:07:49   In the middle of that article,

00:07:51   there is some follow-up for this show.

00:07:53   There is.

00:07:53   You brought to the show a while back

00:07:55   that you were having issues with battery drain

00:07:58   on your Apple watches, and you weren't sure what it was,

00:08:01   and then you kind of came to the conclusion

00:08:03   that you thought it was your new Wi-Fi setup.

00:08:06   And in this article, you referenced this

00:08:07   and how you fixed it,

00:08:08   so I want you to talk about that on the show.

00:08:10   Yeah, so I switched over to Fiverr in October.

00:08:14   It was finally available on my side of the street.

00:08:17   You can read a lengthy explanation of that

00:08:18   in the footnote of this article.

00:08:20   Big footnote, big footnote.

00:08:22   Yeah, it's almost its own article.

00:08:24   Yeah, there are a couple examples of 512

00:08:27   with a link list thing where I write one sentence

00:08:30   but then two paragraphs in the footnote.

00:08:31   Sometimes it's just fun, you know?

00:08:33   Get weird.

00:08:35   I think Federico does a really good job of that

00:08:36   in his reviews.

00:08:37   The footnotes are some of the best parts.

00:08:40   Yeah, yeah, thank you.

00:08:42   You can't really footnote a podcast.

00:08:44   I mean, we tried with the B-sides feature in our CMS,

00:08:48   but no one uses it, so.

00:08:50   It's not really a footnote so much, you know?

00:08:52   That would be weird, wouldn't it,

00:08:53   if you actually did do that anyway.

00:08:55   A footnote.

00:08:56   That's when you write something on your toes.

00:08:58   It's a footnote.

00:08:59   Hello?

00:09:02   Hello?

00:09:04   Anyways.

00:09:04   We're done now, bye.

00:09:06   Switched to Fyber.

00:09:07   That kicked off, as you can imagine,

00:09:09   a nerd project to update my wifi.

00:09:11   And I ordered the U7 Pros,

00:09:14   which is a line of wifi seven access points from Ubiquiti.

00:09:18   And it seems like the U7 line in general

00:09:21   maybe isn't ready for prime time.

00:09:24   I had a lot of issues with IoT devices

00:09:27   and the Apple watches in my household,

00:09:30   dropping off the wifi, struggling to stay connected.

00:09:33   And like, I'm sure you've experienced this,

00:09:35   like if you go hiking or something

00:09:36   and your phone drops out of cellular range, it gets hot,

00:09:38   because it's like cranking up the radios

00:09:41   to connect to something.

00:09:42   And did some reading.

00:09:45   Not everyone has this problem, let me say first of all,

00:09:48   but some people seem to.

00:09:50   So I swapped out the U7s for a U6 product

00:09:53   called the U6 Mesh, which instead of being wall-mounted

00:09:58   or like hanging on the ceiling,

00:09:59   they're like standalone, like tubes, basically,

00:10:02   you can just, I did that 'cause it was actually better

00:10:05   for me to be able to sit them where I needed them.

00:10:08   And that has solved the issue.

00:10:11   So everything has been good.

00:10:13   It does sort of negate my original goal

00:10:15   of like I want faster wifi, 'cause these are just wifi six

00:10:18   and that's what I had.

00:10:20   But I'm hopeful the U7 line gets drained out

00:10:23   and in the future I could upgrade to it.

00:10:25   But in the meantime, I have enjoyed other benefits

00:10:29   of being in the Unifi ecosystem.

00:10:32   I for years had trouble because I was using

00:10:35   just kind of cheap gigabit switches.

00:10:37   I mean, I guess I could have bought something nicer,

00:10:39   but every two or three years I would have like a Netgear

00:10:42   or a Linksys, whatever gigabit switch just die.

00:10:45   And I have one in the house and one in the office.

00:10:48   The two buildings are connected by outdoor rated ethernet

00:10:51   that is run between the buildings.

00:10:54   And I just, things were always kind of flaky.

00:10:58   I also had an issue where when you have an Eero set up,

00:11:01   you have an Eero at the top of your network.

00:11:03   So you have your cable modem or fiber modem or whatever,

00:11:06   and then you have an Eero

00:11:07   and that's where all the routing is handled.

00:11:09   And for years across multiple Eeros,

00:11:13   I would have that Eero drop its wired connection

00:11:15   from gigabit to 100 megabit.

00:11:18   And that was fine when I had slow internet,

00:11:21   not fine when I had fast internet.

00:11:23   And so I would be uploading a show,

00:11:26   it's like, why is this taking so long?

00:11:27   And my whole network was like capped at 100 meg

00:11:30   because that head Eero would lower its connection speed.

00:11:35   I was never able to fix that.

00:11:37   And so that is fixed.

00:11:39   I've got reliable switches and yes,

00:11:42   the wifi is not as fast as I want it to be,

00:11:44   but again, I could fix that in the future.

00:11:46   I will say I was, I should have expected it.

00:11:51   I was unaware.

00:11:52   The UniFi community is a very particular group of people.

00:12:00   Oh, that's one way to say it.

00:12:01   Okay.

00:12:02   So I had somebody like,

00:12:04   someone was like, oh, how are you racking your gateway?

00:12:08   'Cause the gateway have is like really small.

00:12:10   It's basically the size of like a sandwich.

00:12:12   I was like, I'm not, it's just like on a shelf

00:12:13   in my kid's closet where the rest of my network stuff is.

00:12:16   Like, it's fine.

00:12:18   So it was like, why don't you running fiber

00:12:19   between your house and your studio?

00:12:21   It's like, 'cause I just have ethernet run.

00:12:23   Like, it's fine.

00:12:25   It's fine.

00:12:27   So I may not write about UniFi very much in the future

00:12:29   to save my inbox.

00:12:31   Why don't you just put a satellite dish

00:12:33   on the side of your house and aim it at the pod cabin?

00:12:36   I know.

00:12:37   Like that's what you should be doing instead.

00:12:38   I know.

00:12:39   Do I want to run fiber between the house and the studio?

00:12:42   Yeah, kind of, but there's no need to.

00:12:44   'Cause everything I did is gigabit.

00:12:46   So I didn't go to 2.5 gig.

00:12:48   There's no real benefit for me to do that

00:12:51   even internally on my network.

00:12:53   So yeah, seems to be fixed.

00:12:58   Wi-Fi is not faster, but I got fancy network equipment.

00:13:00   That's fun.

00:13:01   I feel like there should be a phrase,

00:13:05   like a term for this though, where like,

00:13:07   it's not like a zero sum game or something.

00:13:12   Like, they're not too far from it.

00:13:14   Where you made a nerd change

00:13:17   because of a specific thing you were looking for,

00:13:20   but you actually didn't get that in the end.

00:13:23   Right?

00:13:24   Where you wanted faster internet to take,

00:13:28   get the most benefit out of your fiber connection,

00:13:33   but you haven't gotten that.

00:13:35   You're back to the same thing, but you're so far in now

00:13:39   that now you're like, well, I'm in this now.

00:13:42   So I'll get the most that I can out of it.

00:13:44   Where maybe if you'd gone for a Wi-Fi seven hero system,

00:13:49   you may have actually gotten what you wanted

00:13:53   instead of like going to unify

00:13:55   and like changing everything out.

00:13:56   And like, yes, you've got another benefits,

00:13:58   but like the original reason for changing

00:14:01   was more getting the faster speed

00:14:03   that you can't get yet, right?

00:14:05   - Yeah.

00:14:06   It's almost as if you left one social media network

00:14:10   'cause you didn't like the way it was run.

00:14:13   (laughing)

00:14:14   - It is like that.

00:14:14   - And you went to a different one

00:14:16   that you thought was gonna be better,

00:14:17   but turns out just as bad.

00:14:19   What do you do?

00:14:20   - Yes.

00:14:21   - Hypothetically.

00:14:22   - Well, I don't know.

00:14:23   I think from what you're saying,

00:14:24   you invest deeper into the new one, I think,

00:14:27   based on what you're saying.

00:14:29   - Maybe you should go outside and look up into the blue sky.

00:14:34   - Just use Wi-Fi and not fiber.

00:14:36   I think that's what you're saying.

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00:16:54   - Mastodon, the social platform, is becoming a nonprofit.

00:17:01   So they're creating a European nonprofit entity

00:17:04   that will be responsible for Mastodon ecosystem

00:17:08   and platform components.

00:17:10   Basically, Eugene Rochko,

00:17:12   who is the founder, lead developer, creator of Mastodon,

00:17:17   will no longer be solely responsible

00:17:19   for the management and focus of the Mastodon product.

00:17:23   And the nonprofit, we'll call it Mastodon nonprofit,

00:17:27   will own the for-profit entity that currently exists.

00:17:30   This has been reported in a bunch of places.

00:17:33   TechCrunch had a good article about this,

00:17:37   where I got this information from.

00:17:39   One of the things in there was 835,000 monthly active users

00:17:42   use Mastodon, which is really small.

00:17:45   It's a big number, but for a social media network,

00:17:49   that is small.

00:17:51   I think it says something for what Mastodon is,

00:17:54   where it is essentially, it's people like us, right?

00:17:57   It's nerds.

00:17:58   And I think at this point,

00:18:02   that number to me was interesting

00:18:03   because it signals to me that I don't consider it likely

00:18:07   that this will grow significantly.

00:18:09   I mean, what is, blue sky is like 20 million now

00:18:12   or something like that, right?

00:18:13   So, and you know, threads and Twitter are in the millions,

00:18:18   I think a hundred million or something like that.

00:18:20   I'm not particularly surprised by that number,

00:18:22   but it's just interesting to see.

00:18:24   You can make a very good business

00:18:26   on 835,000 monthly active users though, I'm sure.

00:18:30   But I think that is also seemingly

00:18:32   not what they care about now.

00:18:34   It just kind of making it sustainable and, you know,

00:18:39   available and kind of like more political.

00:18:43   - How many users do you say Mastodon has?

00:18:46   - 835,000 monthly active users.

00:18:48   - Yeah, so it looks like blue sky is 26 million.

00:18:53   - Yeah.

00:18:54   - Which is wild.

00:18:56   - I found this interesting.

00:18:57   It's interesting that they're doing this.

00:18:58   It's a thing that really, it seems like

00:19:00   they have announced that they're doing it,

00:19:01   but we don't really know a lot of what the detail

00:19:04   of what this is gonna be.

00:19:05   The thing that immediately jumped to my mind is like,

00:19:09   I would be interested to understand how in the longterm

00:19:14   is a WordPress scenario avoided here.

00:19:16   Like my original thought was like,

00:19:18   how much control will Rojco continue to have?

00:19:22   And so I give a couple of quotes from the TechCrunch article

00:19:25   that are from Mastodon.

00:19:27   Throughout, we will focus on establishing

00:19:29   the appropriate governance and leadership frameworks

00:19:31   that reflect the nature and purpose of Mastodon as a whole

00:19:34   and responsibly serve the community.

00:19:36   Mastodon is trying to avoid situations

00:19:38   where only one person has decision-making powers

00:19:41   with today's new structure.

00:19:43   So it's interesting, but I think this,

00:19:47   I'm not, I don't know.

00:19:50   I don't know what I, like,

00:19:52   I don't know if nonprofit entities and for-profit entities

00:19:55   being owned by one another is really like a thing

00:19:58   that works in the longterm.

00:20:00   - I mean, just ask OpenAI, am I right?

00:20:01   - Maybe I just don't know enough about this.

00:20:03   Well, that's what I'm thinking of as well, right?

00:20:05   Like if Mastodon, there remains a for-profit entity,

00:20:10   they're currently just making money from Patreon

00:20:12   and grants and merchandise.

00:20:14   So it's not like, you know, whatever.

00:20:16   But they might one day say like, all right,

00:20:18   you have to pay to use Mastodon now.

00:20:20   And like, then what happens, right?

00:20:22   Like, how does that change the way

00:20:25   that the for-profit entity considers itself?

00:20:27   And then how does that change the nonprofit entity

00:20:30   that owns the for-profit, it's very confusing, right?

00:20:32   And like, I don't see a scenario where something

00:20:34   that this isn't at least a little bit complicated.

00:20:37   - Oh, it's absolutely complicated.

00:20:40   I think any governance of a platform this big,

00:20:45   you know, even 835,000 or whatever it is,

00:20:49   it's bigger than anything we're doing.

00:20:51   That's a complicated thing.

00:20:54   And like the nonprofit thing is fine.

00:20:56   But like what I wrote in my link to it was,

00:20:58   what matters is like the people running the nonprofit, right?

00:21:02   At the end of the day, it is still a series of decisions

00:21:04   that has to be made.

00:21:06   Is it better that it's gonna be some sort of board of people

00:21:08   as opposed to one dude?

00:21:10   Like probably, but it's not a fail safe.

00:21:13   - We don't, it's not, these things are not inherently good

00:21:18   because of the fact of what they are, right?

00:21:20   - Sure.

00:21:21   - Nonprofit and charity and like group of people or what,

00:21:27   they're not inherently good just because,

00:21:29   or even open source, right?

00:21:30   That's the other thing I was looking for.

00:21:32   None of these things are inherently good

00:21:33   just because of the way that they're set up.

00:21:36   Like it still requires people making the right decisions,

00:21:41   which they definitely won't do all the time.

00:21:44   Federico, what do you think about this?

00:21:48   - This is one of those things where I wish I had thoughts,

00:21:53   but I really don't.

00:21:55   - Okay.

00:21:56   - Probably because I am, I don't know,

00:21:59   maybe I'm not mature enough.

00:22:01   I don't know, I just, I would like to say something

00:22:05   that doesn't make me sound like an idiot.

00:22:09   - Sure.

00:22:09   - And there's probably no other way to see it, so whatever.

00:22:13   Why can people like not be weird psychopaths on the internet?

00:22:20   Like, why do we, like you ask,

00:22:24   how do we avoid the WordPress situation?

00:22:29   Like, not that I'm like accusing anybody

00:22:32   of being a weird psychopath, but just broadly speaking-

00:22:35   (laughing)

00:22:36   - These are two- - Please don't sue me.

00:22:37   - Unconnected scenarios.

00:22:39   - Just like, I honestly don't know what to say.

00:22:44   Like, okay, now it's gonna be a nonprofit,

00:22:46   but like, what if the nonprofit is managed

00:22:50   by a bunch of weird psychopaths?

00:22:52   - Sure.

00:22:53   - Like, what?

00:22:54   You know?

00:22:55   Like, I just think whatever is gonna be Eugene Rochko

00:23:00   or the nonprofit, whatever person or organization

00:23:05   is behind Mastodon, if at some point they come out

00:23:09   and be like, "Uh, guys, we like Nazis now."

00:23:14   Like, no matter who's behind it,

00:23:17   it's gonna turn the whole thing sour.

00:23:20   - Yeah, and that's kind of what I'm saying.

00:23:21   Like, these things, they sound nice, right?

00:23:23   And that is interesting. - Yeah, sure.

00:23:25   - And there's probably a lot of niceness in it,

00:23:27   but none of these things give any kind of certainty

00:23:32   to anything, is kind of what I'm getting at.

00:23:34   - Exactly.

00:23:35   Like, there's like, sure, there's more governance.

00:23:38   Now everybody likes to use this word.

00:23:39   This is like when everybody started using the word

00:23:41   colorways last year.

00:23:43   Now everybody's using governance.

00:23:44   Okay, so now there's proper governance behind this.

00:23:47   - Governance is the word of the year.

00:23:49   - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:50   Cool, okay.

00:23:51   So there's proper governance.

00:23:52   All right, what happens if two years from now,

00:23:55   turns out there's one real nasty weirdo in that nonprofit?

00:24:00   Do we like Macedon now?

00:24:02   - Like, the governance could slow Macedon down.

00:24:05   - Yeah.

00:24:06   - Right, like, there are still things

00:24:08   that Macedon does not have that people want it to have,

00:24:11   and there's like a roadmap, right?

00:24:13   What if now the implementation of new features

00:24:17   require the governance structure to approve,

00:24:19   and that is a six month process, right?

00:24:21   - Yeah.

00:24:21   - So it's like, it's like,

00:24:22   it's like slowing down further.

00:24:23   It's like, all of these things are just different ways

00:24:25   of doing things.

00:24:26   It's not inherently good or bad.

00:24:28   And the reason I mention this is I've seen a lot of people

00:24:30   being like, oh, this is incredible, like, da da da.

00:24:33   I am sure there are things about this that are better.

00:24:35   And like, and you can look at this and be like,

00:24:37   I would prefer this to threads.

00:24:41   And like, and I understand that, right?

00:24:43   Like, I get that.

00:24:45   But it's, none of these things are good inherently,

00:24:49   because they're still made up of people

00:24:50   who are complicated.

00:24:52   And like, you're saying about like the psychopath thing.

00:24:54   I think anybody that wants to run anything of scale

00:24:59   has something in their brain

00:25:03   that makes them want to do that.

00:25:05   That goes for me.

00:25:07   I am including myself.

00:25:09   Anyone that wants to run their own business

00:25:12   has a thing in their brain that makes them want to do that.

00:25:16   'Cause it's not, it is, you have,

00:25:19   it goes for all of us, I think.

00:25:20   Like, you have in you something which means

00:25:24   you are willing to make decisions

00:25:26   that impact other people.

00:25:27   Like, you are willing to do that.

00:25:29   That is a thing.

00:25:30   And like, at a scale that is larger than just my own family.

00:25:34   And like, not everybody is willing to do that or wants that.

00:25:38   And that grows all the way up to,

00:25:40   I want to leave my country, right?

00:25:41   Like, there is a scale between business owner,

00:25:45   this is a Mike Hurley thought,

00:25:46   a business owner and president.

00:25:49   And there is like a scale of like where you are on that.

00:25:52   Because, and that is about how much power you want

00:25:54   in your life, how much control you want in your life.

00:25:56   And that there is a scale and a spectrum

00:25:58   between these things.

00:26:00   And like, the bigger the thing it is

00:26:02   that you're trying to run,

00:26:03   the more willing you are to make these kinds

00:26:05   of decisions and choices.

00:26:07   And that doesn't mean you're good,

00:26:09   it doesn't mean you're bad.

00:26:10   It just means that like, there is a level of detachment

00:26:13   that you are willing for yourself to go through.

00:26:17   And yeah, anyway.

00:26:18   - Mike.

00:26:19   - And just, yes.

00:26:20   - You're getting ready to be a dad.

00:26:22   - Yeah.

00:26:23   - What if you form a nonprofit to raise your child?

00:26:27   (laughing)

00:26:28   - It's a governance structure.

00:26:30   She needs to be feeding.

00:26:32   I think, well, I mean,

00:26:36   it feels like there is a governance structure already.

00:26:38   Which includes everybody else in my family, but like.

00:26:43   - That's complicated.

00:26:44   We can talk about that online.

00:26:45   - There already is a governance.

00:26:46   It really feels like there is a governance structure

00:26:49   that's gonna own the internal structure of my own family

00:26:53   inside of its family.

00:26:54   - Yeah.

00:26:55   - But yeah, that's kind of my,

00:26:56   I don't know why I decided today I wanted to share this,

00:26:58   like, thing that I consider to be a fundamental truth,

00:27:01   but that is it.

00:27:02   Just like, everybody and people, people make decisions.

00:27:05   Those decisions aren't always good,

00:27:07   and that is just kind of the way it goes.

00:27:09   And no structure can guarantee good.

00:27:12   Because the structure's also changed.

00:27:14   Because you look at open AI, it's like,

00:27:16   oh yeah, nonprofit, that's good.

00:27:18   Until they decide they don't wanna be that anymore.

00:27:21   And now, well, now all the bets are off, right?

00:27:24   - Yeah, yeah.

00:27:25   I think, I think especially with these things,

00:27:27   especially with like technology products,

00:27:30   there's the type of nerd,

00:27:33   and I'm saying that in a lovingly affectionate way,

00:27:37   nerds tend to seek consistency and rigidity,

00:27:43   and something that is predictable.

00:27:46   So like, oh, Mastodon announced a nonprofit,

00:27:48   that means it's always gonna be good,

00:27:50   because we like nonprofits, right?

00:27:51   But like you said, like, people change their minds,

00:27:55   people change their nature, people are, guess what?

00:28:00   Inherently opportunistic.

00:28:02   There is something that I fundamentally believe,

00:28:05   and you will not, nobody can change my mind about this.

00:28:08   This may be the most obvious, silly thing

00:28:13   I've ever said on the show, everybody has a price.

00:28:16   Literally everyone on planet earth has a price.

00:28:19   There is a monetary amount that hypothetically

00:28:24   I could give to Eugene Rojko and be like,

00:28:28   hey, I want you to become real nasty on Mastodon

00:28:31   after I write you this check.

00:28:34   There is that amount, there's a number,

00:28:39   there's a number that hypothetically

00:28:42   I could put on that check, right?

00:28:44   And so that kind of utopian like scenario where,

00:28:49   oh, everything is always gonna be the same.

00:28:54   Like I could potentially, I could name one technology

00:28:59   that was released, never touched again,

00:29:02   and it always stayed the same, and it's RSS.

00:29:09   It was literally created, released on the web,

00:29:12   and they never got weird.

00:29:14   In fact, it's so awesome.

00:29:15   - That's only because nobody owns it.

00:29:16   - Exactly, because nobody,

00:29:18   the moment that a person owns anything,

00:29:21   there is the potential to be used for good,

00:29:25   but also to be used for evil and nasty things.

00:29:28   And there's never gonna be consistency.

00:29:28   - RSS is used for nasty things.

00:29:31   - Sure, do you subscribe to any?

00:29:32   - Well, no, it's like, it can be used for ill, right?

00:29:37   'Cause it is just,

00:29:38   the same as like I am convinced there is hate on Mastodon.

00:29:43   I know it's there, I just haven't found it as such.

00:29:47   - Right about ubiquity.

00:29:48   - See, there you go.

00:29:51   But there are definitely communities on Mastodon

00:29:53   that aren't good, right?

00:29:55   - Yeah, yeah.

00:29:56   - Yeah, 'cause ultimately, like Federico said,

00:29:59   people are opportunistic, I can't say it.

00:30:03   - You got there, but you got there.

00:30:05   - But also like all of these platforms

00:30:09   have the same inherent problem

00:30:11   that short form text-based social media is just problematic.

00:30:16   And when you can hide behind an anonymous face,

00:30:20   or even if you're required to use your own name and face,

00:30:22   people are ugly on the internet,

00:30:24   and that's just how things are.

00:30:26   - Yeah, it doesn't matter.

00:30:28   - No.

00:30:29   - So basically within you, there are two wolves.

00:30:32   One is good wolf and the other is bad wolf,

00:30:35   and try not to succumb to the bad wolf, if you can.

00:30:40   That's basically the gist of it.

00:30:43   - I will sum this up by saying,

00:30:45   I think that it is very good

00:30:47   that the people who run Mastodon are trying their best.

00:30:51   Right? - Yes.

00:30:52   - That they want to do things the right way,

00:30:54   and I think that is good.

00:30:57   I have been especially reminded of that

00:30:59   over the last couple of weeks,

00:31:01   that it's like, oh, they're trying, you know,

00:31:03   like they're trying out here.

00:31:05   But my point is like, I am intrigued about it.

00:31:08   I want more information,

00:31:09   'cause I don't really feel like

00:31:10   they've given a lot of it yet,

00:31:11   'cause it feels like they're very much working it out,

00:31:13   and they just wanted to announce that they were doing it,

00:31:15   and they definitely chose a right time for that.

00:31:17   I think from a PR perspective,

00:31:18   they chose a right time for that.

00:31:19   I don't know if that was their consideration,

00:31:21   but they did anyway.

00:31:22   And I am intrigued to see where they go with it.

00:31:25   I want to see them do good stuff with it.

00:31:28   I believe in Mastodon now more than maybe I have in a while.

00:31:32   But it's just like, just to remember,

00:31:37   so we don't get disappointed,

00:31:39   potentially get disappointed later on,

00:31:41   none of these things give perfect outcomes.

00:31:44   And I think we would all be happier

00:31:46   if we stopped looking for them.

00:31:47   It's like, you also don't have to delete

00:31:51   your WordPress blog.

00:31:52   Like, you don't have to do that.

00:31:53   Like, you know, like all of these things,

00:31:55   like you gotta find what works for you.

00:31:58   You find your own way of drawing the circles

00:32:02   you need to draw.

00:32:03   Like, but we can't get along forever

00:32:07   hoping that everything will be perfect forever,

00:32:09   'cause otherwise, really the only thing you can do

00:32:12   is just not use the internet.

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00:33:53   - So switching gears to something hopefully more fun

00:33:57   and less, I don't know, maybe we were not pessimistic,

00:34:00   we were realistic, but in any case, a very different topic.

00:34:02   I had an idea.

00:34:03   It's a new year.

00:34:06   Mike is gonna be a dad in this new year.

00:34:09   So I thought,

00:34:11   I wanted to take a look at what are some of the apps,

00:34:17   some of the services, some of the maybe changes

00:34:21   in our typical workflows that at some point this year,

00:34:26   we think we would like to try.

00:34:28   Like what are things,

00:34:30   usually I have these thoughts over the holiday break.

00:34:34   I'm like, what do I wanna try in the new year?

00:34:36   Like, is there anything new that I wanna try?

00:34:38   New apps, new web services?

00:34:41   Is there a particular change about the way I work

00:34:44   that I wanna try next year?

00:34:45   So I thought, let's think about these things

00:34:48   and I think we can round robin them.

00:34:50   Although I think Steven, until a few minutes ago,

00:34:53   only had one kind of menacing item in his notes.

00:34:57   (laughing)

00:34:58   - I do like the idea of round robin though.

00:35:00   I do like that.

00:35:01   Maybe Steven sometimes would just have to say same.

00:35:04   - It's gonna be lumpy.

00:35:05   Mike has like six things in here.

00:35:07   - Yeah, well, you know,

00:35:08   I can just like round robin at the end to myself.

00:35:10   We'll find out.

00:35:11   - Yeah, I ain't gonna go first.

00:35:13   I'm gonna just try rip the bandaid off

00:35:15   because--

00:35:16   - Yeah, you are with this first one, my friend.

00:35:18   - Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fine.

00:35:20   You know me, I don't care about people's judgment

00:35:23   except for my girlfriend and my dogs,

00:35:27   although they're not strictly speaking people.

00:35:30   - Do they have thoughts about email?

00:35:31   - Well, I'm sure they have thoughts

00:35:34   about the computers I use.

00:35:36   In any case, I am trying Superhuman as my email client.

00:35:45   And here's the best part.

00:35:46   Yes, it's very expensive.

00:35:48   - I was gonna say like talking about like

00:35:50   everyone has a price.

00:35:51   Puerto Rico's is pretty high.

00:35:55   - Yeah, because I gotta pay for Superhuman, man.

00:35:59   Come on.

00:36:00   I need that nasty check.

00:36:03   Come on.

00:36:04   It's surprisingly good.

00:36:08   That's the thing that surprised me the most.

00:36:11   Like I don't hate it.

00:36:13   In fact, I kinda really like it.

00:36:17   - Tell me why.

00:36:18   Tell me why.

00:36:19   - This is more expensive than I thought it was, Federico.

00:36:22   - Yeah, because they added AI and they raised the prices.

00:36:25   - So did, I got an email today, Mike,

00:36:28   I should tell you this.

00:36:29   Our Google Workspace bill is gonna go up

00:36:31   because they decided everyone should pay for Google Gemini.

00:36:34   - But what if we don't use it?

00:36:36   - Too bad.

00:36:37   - Okay.

00:36:38   Well, I'm pleased that I actually started using it.

00:36:40   I upgraded the one that I have for Cortex brand

00:36:43   'cause I'm using Notebook LM very slowly.

00:36:48   So I had already done it.

00:36:49   So I guess now I won't feel that too much

00:36:51   'cause I'm already using Gemini.

00:36:53   - So I like it for a bunch of reasons.

00:36:57   I try not, I mean, obviously the price is a concern.

00:37:02   The thing is like between like regular emails

00:37:06   like from developers, like discovering apps,

00:37:10   working with developers for betas and stuff,

00:37:13   working with PR people, and also like using email

00:37:16   because of Club Maxory support.

00:37:18   Like it is a core part of my business

00:37:22   and I spend a lot of time in email.

00:37:24   Like it's what I do.

00:37:25   And so I'm not saying that the price is justified

00:37:29   because I don't think it is,

00:37:30   but I don't feel awfully terrible about it.

00:37:34   - You feel like you're getting something

00:37:35   for the money you're putting in.

00:37:36   - I am, I am.

00:37:37   So it is surprisingly fast.

00:37:40   And it's, I think, the best search,

00:37:43   the fastest search I've ever tried in an email client.

00:37:47   I think it's faster on desktop devices.

00:37:51   It's a very much like a keyboard-driven email client.

00:37:55   On desktop, it's very impressive how fast it is.

00:38:00   I'm using it primarily on iPhone and on the iPad.

00:38:02   And so while the interactions are still fast

00:38:05   on iOS and iPadOS, they're not as fast as on macOS.

00:38:10   And I have to imagine, I think they are on Windows too.

00:38:14   Still, there are a lot of keyboard shortcuts

00:38:17   and I really appreciate the keyboard navigation

00:38:19   that is also supported on iPad,

00:38:21   where you have like things that you, like hotkeys,

00:38:24   where you don't have to use the command key.

00:38:26   Like for example, I'm looking at an email.

00:38:29   I can just press the letter E, like on Gmail desktop,

00:38:33   to instantly archive that message.

00:38:35   And there are plenty of those similar keyboard shortcuts.

00:38:38   The main thing for me is the,

00:38:42   they're called split inbox approach

00:38:45   and notifications based on each split.

00:38:49   So a split would be like a view.

00:38:51   It's basically like you can create multiple custom views

00:38:55   for a particular subset of senders.

00:38:59   You have your default important split.

00:39:02   So a split like, they call it split

00:39:04   because they literally split the screen in multiple tabs.

00:39:07   You can call them tabs, you can call them views.

00:39:09   The idea is the same.

00:39:10   You create multiple views for different types of senders.

00:39:14   I have my PR view, where all the people from Apple PR go.

00:39:18   And you can do that by literally like creating a filter

00:39:21   and adding contacts via their email addresses to that view.

00:39:25   I have a purchases view, where I created like emails

00:39:30   that I get from PayPal, from Amazon, from eBay,

00:39:32   like all the places that I used to buy stuff online.

00:39:35   I created a split called internal,

00:39:39   where I keep track of email communications,

00:39:41   starting from the Mac storage team.

00:39:44   So threads that I share with John, with Rob,

00:39:48   with Alex and so forth.

00:39:49   You may say, well, don't you wanna use AI products

00:39:53   that categorize emails for you?

00:39:55   Yes, I would like to, but the thing is,

00:39:57   they don't do a good enough job,

00:39:58   and I am too particular about my email

00:40:01   to fully trust those implementations.

00:40:03   So I very much like this idea of like,

00:40:05   I'm gonna create my own splits.

00:40:07   I'm gonna take like an hour of my time

00:40:09   to do some organization,

00:40:10   but then I know that those things are gonna work forever.

00:40:14   And for each split, you can configure notifications.

00:40:17   So for example, I don't wanna be notified

00:40:20   when I get like a newsletter,

00:40:23   but I wanna get notified if something hits my PR

00:40:26   or my important split.

00:40:29   So that granular control really works for me.

00:40:31   Search is great, regular search,

00:40:37   but I was also surprised by their new Ask AI feature.

00:40:41   Now, sure, this feature is not for everybody

00:40:45   because it's kind of creepy.

00:40:46   Obviously, superhuman is storing the contents of your emails

00:40:49   and there's an AI looking at those,

00:40:51   but like after 15 years of trying multiple email clients,

00:40:55   signing up for a whole bunch of apps and services,

00:40:57   I'm past the point of creepy.

00:41:00   Now, if anybody wants to read my email,

00:41:02   because they're shady and they're running a shady business,

00:41:05   like I'm well past, like that ship sailed many years ago.

00:41:09   So whatever, the Ask AI is great.

00:41:13   Not perfect, but more than good, I would say.

00:41:16   Like you can ask a question like,

00:41:19   hey, for example, yesterday I was like,

00:41:22   when did I buy the anti-glare Steam.co.led?

00:41:27   And it says, "Analyzing your email."

00:41:29   And like 15 seconds later it was like,

00:41:32   I found your confirmation received

00:41:34   from the Steam.co.led anti-glare last year

00:41:37   on such and such day.

00:41:39   Like great.

00:41:40   Like, and over the past few days,

00:41:41   I've had plenty of similar natural language queries

00:41:44   about my emails where I remembered one or two details,

00:41:48   but like if I wanted to use regular search,

00:41:51   it would have taken me five minutes

00:41:53   to maybe find that exact message.

00:41:55   Here, I can just write down a sentence

00:41:57   and it's gonna use my data.

00:41:59   It's gonna look into my data to find me the result.

00:42:03   Now I understand some people are not okay with that.

00:42:06   I am okay with AI helping me with my stuff, with my consent,

00:42:11   because I get hundreds of emails every day.

00:42:13   Nobody's got the time for that.

00:42:15   I need to be efficient.

00:42:16   I need to be fast.

00:42:18   And so anything that helps me find the stuff I'm looking for

00:42:21   and be faster is good enough for me.

00:42:24   So yeah.

00:42:25   I like, look, it's expensive, but I'm gonna keep using it.

00:42:32   - Do they have team?

00:42:33   They're like, is there like team sharing?

00:42:35   Like can you and Jon both use superhuman and have a chat?

00:42:37   - I think they do,

00:42:39   but I think Jon fundamentally hates superhuman.

00:42:43   So I haven't even pitched it.

00:42:44   (laughing)

00:42:46   - Oh, Paul, I feel, you know what?

00:42:48   I already see where this is going and I feel bad for Jon.

00:42:51   - Where it's going is Jon's gonna turn max stories over

00:42:54   to a nonprofit to run.

00:42:56   Take Federico's decision making away.

00:42:58   (laughing)

00:42:59   - Yeah, yeah.

00:43:00   So yeah, it's-

00:43:02   - So really your main use case,

00:43:06   your main kind of like set of features

00:43:08   that you're benefiting from is the way it integrates with AI

00:43:12   and also the way in which you can kind of create

00:43:14   custom saved filters.

00:43:16   - Oh yeah, yes.

00:43:18   You have other features.

00:43:20   I just sort of took them for granted.

00:43:22   Like you can snooze emails.

00:43:24   - Yeah, I mean, it's got all the basics.

00:43:26   I'm just wondering like, what is it about superhuman

00:43:29   that is better than like Spark and yeah.

00:43:31   I mean, Spark, Spark, bless them.

00:43:33   Bless them, they're trying with AI, but it's yeah.

00:43:35   - Yeah, no, it's not good.

00:43:37   I also wanted to mention like, yes,

00:43:39   it was the splits, AI, the notifications.

00:43:42   I also love, like really love, especially on iPad,

00:43:47   Command + K opens the command bar

00:43:50   that is kind of like Raycast

00:43:52   or kind of like the Obsidian command palette,

00:43:55   but for email.

00:43:57   Like you just entered the name of your command,

00:43:59   like block or spam or undo, like whatever.

00:44:02   Like you can, yeah, it's very nice.

00:44:04   - All right.

00:44:07   Anything more on superhuman?

00:44:09   - No, I think that's about it.

00:44:11   Feel free to make fun of me.

00:44:12   I can take it.

00:44:13   I've been around, so.

00:44:15   - I think all of mine are baby related.

00:44:19   Oh, I'm not next anyway, so Steven, you're going first.

00:44:21   - Okay.

00:44:22   - Steven is up next with the real menacing entry.

00:44:24   - The real menacing one is file storage upheaval.

00:44:27   - Oof, okay.

00:44:29   - It deleted everything.

00:44:30   - I think it's menacing because coming from you,

00:44:32   a data folder. - It's eight terabytes.

00:44:34   - Yes, it's concerning.

00:44:36   - So two things have happened in the last little while.

00:44:41   The first one is, okay, so I will admit

00:44:44   that I got the one terabyte iPhone this time around

00:44:49   because I lack having my photo library locally on my device.

00:44:52   - You did it the last time around too.

00:44:54   - I've done it a couple of times, yeah.

00:44:56   - And the reason I know that is because we both agreed

00:44:57   that our company was buying us five 12 gigabyte iPhones

00:45:00   and then you decided you were gonna get

00:45:01   a one terabyte iPhone for yourself.

00:45:03   That's how I know it happened last time too.

00:45:05   - You know, there's perks of holding the debit card.

00:45:07   - Yeah, turns out.

00:45:09   - I thought you did it for the PDFs, man, not for the photos.

00:45:12   - That's right. - Turns out you, okay.

00:45:14   - I was gonna have my Dev and Think database

00:45:15   locally on my phone in case I'm on a subway

00:45:18   and I need to look up something about the email.

00:45:20   - You're joking, you're joking, you're joking,

00:45:22   but I know that you've thought about it.

00:45:24   (laughing)

00:45:26   - So I got the dreaded message that your iPhone is full

00:45:30   and looking through the storage screen on the phone,

00:45:35   which is way slower than it should be still,

00:45:37   even with all these things.

00:45:39   You know what, give up on Apple intelligence

00:45:41   and make that screen faster, Apple, you know?

00:45:44   That's what I'm saying.

00:45:45   And the only solution was to, on my phone,

00:45:49   have my photo library do the thing

00:45:52   where it's mostly in the cloud.

00:45:54   I now have 850 gigabytes free on my phone.

00:45:58   So not gonna be buying a one terabyte phone anymore.

00:46:03   I will go, I will go smaller for sure.

00:46:07   So this happened, but when I was looking at my storage,

00:46:11   I realized that my iCloud family plan,

00:46:13   which is four terabytes, we have less than a terabyte free.

00:46:18   I think it's like 500 gigs free,

00:46:22   'cause that has our shared photo library

00:46:24   between Mary and I, but two of my children have phones

00:46:29   and they got backups and their own,

00:46:31   my daughter in particular, growing photo library.

00:46:35   - That still feels like a lot though.

00:46:37   - It is a lot, it is a lot.

00:46:39   - Are you sure there's not things

00:46:40   that can be removed from there,

00:46:41   like old devices that are backed up?

00:46:43   - I did look through the backups.

00:46:45   I had one old iPhone that was taking up some backup space,

00:46:50   so I got rid of it and on Mary, she had an old iPad,

00:46:53   but that wasn't like a terabyte data, right?

00:46:57   So it's mostly photos, which I believe.

00:47:00   So I'm also going to be running into soon

00:47:04   having to jump up in iCloud space

00:47:06   unless I can do something.

00:47:07   And honestly, I don't know what to do about that.

00:47:09   So that's thing one, iCloud photo library, all that.

00:47:14   I like iCloud photo library, I don't wanna change it.

00:47:16   I like the family sharing.

00:47:18   I'm probably just gonna have to pony up

00:47:19   for the six gigabyte plan, which is the next one up.

00:47:22   - How have you found so far not having--

00:47:23   - I said four terabyte, by the way,

00:47:25   we're on the two terabyte plan.

00:47:26   There's not a four terabyte, you go from two to six.

00:47:29   So forgive me.

00:47:31   - Okay, how so far have you found

00:47:33   not having your photos locally on your device?

00:47:36   - Just today I wanted something and I tapped on it

00:47:38   and it was like downloading from iCloud

00:47:40   and it just on my fast fiber just spun for like 10 seconds.

00:47:45   I was like, oh, come on.

00:47:47   So anyway, but I gotta do it.

00:47:49   Like we have 90,000 things

00:47:53   in our shared photo library at this point.

00:47:54   So I just have to live with it.

00:47:58   - If they bring it to terabyte iPhone next year,

00:48:00   will you just get a two terabyte iPhone

00:48:02   and re-enable it again?

00:48:03   - I mean, we'll see what the nonprofits do.

00:48:06   - No, you'll do it.

00:48:08   We know you'll do it, don't even.

00:48:10   Although I predict you'll buy two iPhones next year.

00:48:12   So I predict it'll be great.

00:48:13   I also predict it for you, Federico.

00:48:15   I don't know if you've heard it yet either.

00:48:17   - Oh, I heard it.

00:48:19   - My prediction that I share here

00:48:20   is that both of you will buy the slim iPhone

00:48:22   and then change to another iPhone before the end of the year.

00:48:24   - Oh no, I don't think I'll buy it at all.

00:48:28   - I want it so bad.

00:48:30   - I know myself, I'll just get the Pro Max.

00:48:32   - We'll see is what I'm saying.

00:48:36   - It's been a while since I swapped phones mid-cycle.

00:48:40   - Has it?

00:48:43   - Can't say that about Federico.

00:48:45   - I don't know, no, you say it's been a while.

00:48:47   I don't know if that's true for you.

00:48:48   - No, it is true.

00:48:49   - You just said that, but I'm not sure that that's true.

00:48:52   - Yeah, it's been years.

00:48:52   - What you just said.

00:48:53   I don't know if that's accurate.

00:48:55   - It is.

00:48:56   - Someone will correct us if it is,

00:48:57   but I'm not sure that that's accurate.

00:48:59   - It's also been a while since I broke a phone.

00:49:02   - Didn't you recently buy a phone and then change it

00:49:05   'cause of the color?

00:49:06   - No.

00:49:07   I'm using my pink desert titanium phone with no case.

00:49:13   Living my life.

00:49:13   - Good.

00:49:15   - So that's thing one, I gotta contend with all that.

00:49:18   Thing two is I switched, I became a UniFi person.

00:49:23   I've been ubiquity pilled.

00:49:24   UniFi sells a relatively inexpensive NAS.

00:49:31   - There we go.

00:49:32   - And I saw a friend of mine about this.

00:49:35   Doing the NAS and filling it with hard drives

00:49:40   and moving stuff off my laptop

00:49:43   that I don't actually need on my laptop,

00:49:45   I could do that several times

00:49:48   before paying for the eight terabyte again.

00:49:50   Now I did just buy a new laptop at the end of the year,

00:49:53   but I'm kind of thinking for the future.

00:49:56   (laughing)

00:49:59   - Why do you wanna do this?

00:50:01   The whole point of that spending the $4 million

00:50:05   for an eight terabyte SSD is because you say,

00:50:08   I want it all on the computer.

00:50:10   What if you move it off the computer,

00:50:11   it's not there anymore.

00:50:13   So why do you wanna do this?

00:50:15   You just constantly move things around.

00:50:18   All you ever wanna do is move things.

00:50:20   - It's upheaval.

00:50:21   I really like copying stuff in Finder I guess.

00:50:24   I think I'm gonna have to do it.

00:50:27   I think maybe after having three kids,

00:50:32   now you are substituting that feeling

00:50:36   with sort of birthing archives and hard drives instead.

00:50:41   - Wow.

00:50:43   - You need that thrill in your life.

00:50:45   And I understand it, I understand it.

00:50:47   - Sure.

00:50:48   - But there's gotta be a cheaper way to do it, man.

00:50:50   - Yeah, tattoos would be a cheaper way of doing it.

00:50:52   (laughing)

00:50:54   - Here's what's gonna happen if you do this.

00:50:57   You're gonna keep everything on your laptop

00:51:00   and then also store it on a NAS.

00:51:01   That is what will happen.

00:51:03   And at that point, why?

00:51:04   - Why is none?

00:51:05   - No, because then you'll get the NAS,

00:51:09   then you'll back up the NAS.

00:51:11   So then everything will be 12 places instead of seven

00:51:15   or wherever it is right now.

00:51:16   Do whatever makes you happy ultimately,

00:51:21   but just understand that you will wanna keep it locally.

00:51:26   - Yeah, upheaval.

00:51:28   So I'm just gonna spend some time this year

00:51:29   just evaluating my storage stuff.

00:51:33   - It's a new thing for you, it's a new thing.

00:51:35   - It's not new, but here I am.

00:51:37   Tell us about yours.

00:51:40   - All of my things are baby related.

00:51:43   So obviously I'm gonna be taking a lot of photos,

00:51:47   more photos than ever.

00:51:48   Maybe I will need to move to iCloud Photo Library

00:51:53   at some point in the future.

00:51:53   Although I feel like my timeframe on that

00:51:55   is a little bit further out.

00:51:57   My photos are, I don't know, like 700 megabytes

00:52:02   or something like that right now,

00:52:04   but I know it's gonna increase.

00:52:05   I mean, one of the ways that I know it's gonna increase

00:52:07   is because one of the things I wanna do

00:52:09   is not just take photos, it's actually to take more video.

00:52:11   I'm not much of a taking video person,

00:52:15   but I know that I will want to do more of that

00:52:19   because there's a lot of that.

00:52:21   And somebody wrote in, made a specific suggestion,

00:52:24   which is the main thing that I'm recommending,

00:52:26   is to use an app called One Second Every Day.

00:52:29   'Cause it's one of these apps that's like,

00:52:32   hey, take a second of video

00:52:33   and basically to take one second of video

00:52:35   of my child every day.

00:52:37   - Yeah. - It's really cool.

00:52:38   - It's amazing looking back on video,

00:52:40   just your kids, the way they talk and their voices change.

00:52:44   It's really good, that's good advice.

00:52:46   - Yeah, so I wanna have video as well as photos.

00:52:50   And I also like the idea of this,

00:52:52   like if I do it, like we all used to do this, right?

00:52:56   Like there was that photo a day thing,

00:52:58   like a long time ago, like early on in the iPhone.

00:53:01   Do you remember this?

00:53:02   Take one picture of yourself every day.

00:53:05   And it was like an app that you could line up your face

00:53:08   from the previous day.

00:53:09   - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah.

00:53:11   - And it was based on a guy,

00:53:13   the guy who made the app had done that himself

00:53:15   for a long time, I think still does,

00:53:18   but was doing it with like a DSLR camera.

00:53:20   And then he made an app to do it.

00:53:22   And it was a thing that lots of people did.

00:53:24   I did that and then like you would share it every year,

00:53:26   like lots of people would do that.

00:53:28   Like you'd share it at the end of the year,

00:53:29   kind of how we do our Instagram top nine,

00:53:30   but like that all went away.

00:53:32   But the idea of doing it in video,

00:53:34   I just think is really fun.

00:53:35   So I'm gonna try this app out.

00:53:38   I've downloaded it and this is gonna be one

00:53:39   that I'm gonna wanna have set up when the baby comes.

00:53:42   - All right, Mike, you have plenty of pics.

00:53:46   Go grab another one.

00:53:48   - Okay, similarly, photo sharing with family

00:53:53   is obviously a thing that I'm gonna need to do now

00:53:55   more than I've ever done before.

00:53:57   In fact, I've never done before

00:53:58   and typically don't like that experience,

00:54:00   but I know that it's something that I will wanna do

00:54:03   and like the rest of my family will wanna do.

00:54:05   So I'm assuming I will just use iCloud photo library

00:54:08   for this, like I know that there are apps that exist

00:54:12   that serve these functions,

00:54:14   but everybody that I would be sharing these images with

00:54:16   has an iPhone and I don't wanna use another thing.

00:54:21   And like me and Adina have actually started

00:54:23   a specific shared album for just the two of us

00:54:26   for like through this process of like photos

00:54:29   of how she's been growing and photos of scans

00:54:31   and stuff like that, that will continue to be mine and hers.

00:54:34   So we have like a shared album,

00:54:35   even though we also have a shared library,

00:54:38   but like there's, just so we can look through these

00:54:40   like specific photos we've curated

00:54:42   and then we will eventually have an album

00:54:45   that is shared more widely, right?

00:54:47   Like we have family and friends,

00:54:49   if they want it kind of thing of pictures of the baby.

00:54:52   So I guess I'm opting for iCloud photos for this.

00:54:56   I've already had a few people recommend apps for it,

00:54:59   but I don't think I need anything other than this.

00:55:04   Unless there's something that I'm not thinking about.

00:55:08   - Okay, the second item in my list of three items

00:55:12   is continuing to go even more all in once again with Obsidian

00:55:17   because I am fully back after a couple of years

00:55:23   of trying a whole bunch of things.

00:55:25   I realize Obsidian is my first love.

00:55:26   My, Obsidian is, Obsidian is my second love actually in life.

00:55:31   As an editorial widow myself,

00:55:42   I found love again with Obsidian after editorial went away.

00:55:46   And I know that I will never love Obsidian

00:55:48   as much as I love the editorial,

00:55:50   but it's a different type of love.

00:55:52   And I truly do my best work, I think, and my best research.

00:55:57   Like I really, really like working in this app

00:56:01   and I've been making good progress

00:56:03   in reapproaching Obsidian.

00:56:07   I, much to my surprise, I started using daily notes.

00:56:11   I have become a daily notes person

00:56:13   and have been for nearly two months at this point.

00:56:17   Once I understood that I didn't have to be

00:56:21   the kind of person who has meetings every day

00:56:23   to use daily notes, that's when it clicked for me.

00:56:25   I'm just using daily notes to write down

00:56:28   what I'm doing every day and then when I'm done,

00:56:30   I just cross those items off.

00:56:32   Or maybe I leave them there for future reference, who knows?

00:56:35   I created this nice looking template for my daily notes

00:56:39   that I'm gonna share at some point with people

00:56:41   and it's been going really nicely.

00:56:44   And I will continue to integrate Obsidian

00:56:48   more and more with Todoist.

00:56:51   I am now also back and have been back

00:56:54   for the past couple of months on Todoist.

00:56:56   I'm using both Reminders and Todoist.

00:56:59   I understood that for personal Reminders,

00:57:01   like medications and stuff, or family and shopping lists,

00:57:05   I'm using Reminders.

00:57:08   And it's okay, it's great at that,

00:57:10   but for work stuff and especially for automation stuff,

00:57:15   I just needed a higher flexibility of Todoist.

00:57:20   And I have a couple of things that I'm using

00:57:25   to integrate Todoist with Obsidian

00:57:27   and I think I will continue to try

00:57:30   and put together additional shortcuts,

00:57:32   that sort of stuff, to have even tighter communication

00:57:36   between the two.

00:57:38   I'm very excited about finally having a proper structure

00:57:43   for my notes, which is something that I've felt

00:57:49   for the past couple of years.

00:57:51   And the thing is, I really consider the article

00:57:58   that I published last month about the iPad

00:58:03   the culmination of this two-year journey,

00:58:06   where I tried everything under the sun

00:58:11   that I could possibly try.

00:58:13   And if I finally came to a decision

00:58:18   and it's like that sort of domino effect

00:58:21   of once I made that decision, everything fell into place.

00:58:25   And so to people, it may look like

00:58:27   I'm constantly switching between things

00:58:31   that to an extent I am, because it's my job to try stuff.

00:58:35   But I know because I feel it,

00:58:39   that I am now sticking with a particular set of tools.

00:58:44   And so this combination of iPad, Obsidian, Todoist,

00:58:48   reminders and Apple Notes for personal and family stuff.

00:58:52   Like I know that everything is finally clicking into place

00:58:55   after two years and I feel incredibly good about it.

00:59:01   In a way that I haven't felt for the past two years,

00:59:03   where I always felt, when it came to my workflow,

00:59:08   I always felt sort of confused and unsure

00:59:12   what I was gonna do.

00:59:13   I mean, heck, for six months, I used the Surface

00:59:17   two years ago and I never told you guys about it.

00:59:19   That's how bad it got at one point.

00:59:23   So when I say that I feel very good about my decision,

00:59:27   I mean it.

00:59:29   - What goes in your daily notes?

00:59:33   Like what is that for?

00:59:34   - Okay, let's see.

00:59:35   Let me open my daily notes.

00:59:37   All right, so first of all, I made it easy for myself.

00:59:41   So that I created this template where there's a big giant

00:59:45   toggle at the top that says, is this day done?

00:59:48   And it's an iOS style on and off switch.

00:59:52   And when I consider the day done, I flip it

00:59:55   and it turns green and it gets archived.

00:59:58   Yesterday, I still gotta do a couple of things.

01:00:02   There's a link to a Reddit thread

01:00:04   about an Obsidian plugin that I wanna check out.

01:00:09   And there's a link to another Obsidian note.

01:00:13   So it's an internal link to action items

01:00:17   from a quarterly call that I had with John

01:00:22   about Mac stories.

01:00:23   Two days ago, let's see.

01:00:28   I had, I was making a list of games that were being mentioned

01:00:33   on the Game of the Year episode of Into the Aether,

01:00:40   one of my favorite with the games podcasts.

01:00:42   Another day I had, this is a shortcut idea.

01:00:47   And it says, can I recreate the Obsidian web clipper

01:00:53   using shortcuts and the summarization features

01:00:56   of the Kagi search engine or Kagi, whatever it's called.

01:01:00   So like, it's basically like, I'm using the daily note

01:01:04   as a fast way to open a place in Obsidian

01:01:09   that is tied to the current day where I can just type

01:01:15   anything or paste anything so that I can worry

01:01:20   about it later.

01:01:21   - The expectation is that everything that goes in there,

01:01:24   something is gonna be done with it?

01:01:26   - Yes, yes.

01:01:28   But I don't wanna have, like, it's like a limbo space.

01:01:33   Here's the way I think about it.

01:01:38   It's a transient place between my brain

01:01:43   and my task manager.

01:01:45   I know that this is gonna be something,

01:01:49   but I don't know yet to what extent.

01:01:52   I don't know yet when.

01:01:54   So I don't have a due date and I don't have yet a project.

01:01:58   I know I'm gonna do something with it

01:02:00   and the something may be, I'm gonna look at it

01:02:03   and I'm gonna ignore it or I'm not gonna like it.

01:02:06   But like, it's basically an inbox.

01:02:08   It's basically a daily based inbox where I put stuff

01:02:13   and eventually I remove stuff.

01:02:17   So it's just my way of using daily notes.

01:02:20   I know that other people use them as a journal.

01:02:23   Some people use them as a log of everything they do.

01:02:27   The thing is, and I think I mentioned this before,

01:02:29   everything I do eventually becomes public.

01:02:33   Like I have a website, I have podcasts, now I have videos.

01:02:36   So I don't need that type of stuff

01:02:42   as much as I need a place where I can put temporary things

01:02:45   or some things I may choose to keep in Obsidian.

01:02:49   Like for example, last week I was ripping

01:02:53   PlayStation 2 games and I needed to figure out

01:02:56   how do I rip PlayStation 2 games on a Mac?

01:02:59   Because apparently you cannot do it on an iPad.

01:03:01   So I had to use Sylvia's MacBook Pro.

01:03:04   And I entered in my daily notes, how do I rip PS2 games?

01:03:10   That was the sentence that I wrote down.

01:03:12   Later that evening, I reopened Obsidian,

01:03:15   I was like, oh yeah, I need to rip the PS2 games.

01:03:17   I turned that line into a separate note.

01:03:23   I did some Googling, found the terminal commands,

01:03:26   pasted them in Obsidian.

01:03:28   And so that note is gonna live in Obsidian

01:03:30   as a reference for the future.

01:03:32   Whenever I get another PS2 game that I need to rip,

01:03:35   I'm gonna look it up in Obsidian.

01:03:36   - Okay, you're also using it as a inbox of sorts, right?

01:03:41   - Yeah, yeah.

01:03:43   - Little things go in there and the idea is

01:03:45   you're risk maybe gonna become a task

01:03:47   or it's gonna become its own project

01:03:49   which has its own set of notes.

01:03:50   Okay, that's cool.

01:03:51   - Yes, yes, yes.

01:03:53   - Yep.

01:03:54   - Steven, you're up.

01:03:57   - It's me, your friendly neighborhood podcaster.

01:04:02   I don't know.

01:04:04   Focus modes, something I wanna spend some time on.

01:04:06   This is mostly because David Sparks,

01:04:09   I don't wanna say berated me,

01:04:11   but got onto me about my lack of focus modes

01:04:14   on an upcoming episode of MPU.

01:04:16   So I want to find ways to turn work off my game.

01:04:21   Work off more effectively on my phone when I'm not at work.

01:04:25   I've got a focus mode now that turns off notifications

01:04:30   from several work apps and disables my work email

01:04:34   after hours, but I feel like I wanna go further.

01:04:37   Not really sure what that looks like,

01:04:39   but it's something that I wanna spend some time on this year.

01:04:42   Like having my devices, mostly my phone,

01:04:44   being more different than my phone.

01:04:50   Different during the work day and not during the work day.

01:04:54   - I have a podcast to recommend to you

01:04:57   that likes to talk about their focus modes.

01:04:59   - Thoroughly considered.

01:05:00   - Yeah, very thorough, very considered focus modes.

01:05:03   That's what that show's all about.

01:05:04   You can go find them out there.

01:05:05   Focus modes are very powerful,

01:05:07   but I think it's best not to overdo it.

01:05:11   That's my personal favorite.

01:05:12   - Yeah, really it's just taking my home focus mode

01:05:16   and just beefing it up, I think is more

01:05:20   what I want because I think I talked about this.

01:05:23   One idea that floated through my head on my sabbatical

01:05:25   was like, should I be a person who has a work phone

01:05:27   and a personal phone?

01:05:28   And I very quickly decided that was a terrible idea,

01:05:31   but something there is interesting, so we'll see.

01:05:35   - It's easier than ever to make those two things

01:05:38   the same thing.

01:05:39   One something, I don't know if you're doing this right now.

01:05:43   I don't know if you just mentioned this.

01:05:44   I don't think you do.

01:05:44   If you're changing your home screens.

01:05:46   - I'm not, that's basically the top bullet point.

01:05:49   That is a very powerful thing when it comes to focus modes

01:05:53   is being able to actually change how your phone looks.

01:05:56   It's also like, not only are you surfacing the apps

01:05:59   that are most relevant for the thing that you're in,

01:06:02   I find it as a benefit, like a beneficial thing

01:06:05   of making me realize that I am supposed to be doing

01:06:08   different things.

01:06:09   Of like, if I open my phone and it doesn't look the same

01:06:13   and what I would recommend to you is,

01:06:15   have a different widget arrangement

01:06:17   as well as different apps.

01:06:18   - Yeah.

01:06:20   - Maybe use different lock screens and home screens too.

01:06:22   - I know a lot about widgets.

01:06:24   - There you go.

01:06:25   - Thanks for that.

01:06:26   - You could have widgets, Smith widgets that are like,

01:06:28   even indicative of what the focus mode is.

01:06:32   - Yeah, it's just a text widget and is like,

01:06:36   you're not at work, dummy.

01:06:38   - Just a stop.

01:06:38   - Stop.

01:06:39   - You can have one that says stop and it's red

01:06:41   and then one that says go and it's green.

01:06:42   - Yeah.

01:06:43   - And for working on that.

01:06:44   - So we'll see.

01:06:46   - I have historically like,

01:06:51   just kind of let those lines blur more than I want

01:06:55   to have them blurred moving forward.

01:06:57   For instance, like one thing I did,

01:07:00   maybe out of the sabbatical beforehand was like,

01:07:03   turn off notifications in Slack, like in Slack,

01:07:06   you know, they have their own scheduling thing.

01:07:09   But I ran into a problem where the guy who works in our CMS,

01:07:12   our freelance developer,

01:07:14   he can only work for us during the evenings.

01:07:16   And I would miss, he'd like, oh, hey, you around?

01:07:19   Can we do this thing?

01:07:20   And I didn't see it.

01:07:20   And so I talked to him, I was like, look,

01:07:23   we can move into Slack, but after hours,

01:07:26   like iMessage is going to be the way to get ahold of me.

01:07:29   'Cause I'm not getting notified from Slack after hours,

01:07:32   but then we can, you know, you're like, hey, I'm around,

01:07:34   can we do this thing?

01:07:35   And then we can move the conversation into Slack.

01:07:37   And so some of it's like human stuff,

01:07:40   but the technology can obviously be very helpful.

01:07:42   So yeah, I'm gonna explore that.

01:07:45   - Why don't you just tell him to like,

01:07:47   do the Slack thing, which I like,

01:07:49   where it can push it through.

01:07:51   - Well, so I ran into a conflict

01:07:53   because I also had my focus mode

01:07:56   disabling Slack notifications.

01:07:57   And so I need to, like, that's a conflict right now.

01:08:01   So I don't know.

01:08:02   - Oh, you don't need it though.

01:08:03   Like if you're now using Slack's ones,

01:08:05   then you doesn't need to be in the focus mode.

01:08:07   - That's why it's a work in progress.

01:08:09   - Yeah, I'm helping you, I'm helping you.

01:08:11   - No, I know.

01:08:12   What I'm trying to do is take work out of iMessage as well.

01:08:15   Don't put it there.

01:08:17   That place.

01:08:17   - Focus, turn, I'm changing that right now.

01:08:22   - Yeah, change your layouts,

01:08:23   like your home screens and your widgets and stuff.

01:08:25   Like that's really helpful.

01:08:27   And then kind of like, do you have a mercy adapted.

01:08:31   Focus modes have gotten so much better over time.

01:08:33   If you're a done,

01:08:36   I actually also want to talk about focus modes.

01:08:38   - I am a done.

01:08:40   So I obviously want to use my phone less, right?

01:08:42   Like who doesn't?

01:08:43   But like, I will want to use my phone differently

01:08:47   than the way that I currently use it when I have a child.

01:08:50   Because I, you know, I'm like, you know,

01:08:52   I'm like a phone gremlin like everyone else,

01:08:54   but I also don't want to be like that.

01:08:57   And I don't want to, you know,

01:09:00   I have imagination to like,

01:09:01   how would I like my child to use technology?

01:09:04   And that does not match with how I use technology.

01:09:08   And so that has to change if I want to give,

01:09:11   be a good kind of role model, right?

01:09:14   So really specifically,

01:09:17   it's about using my phone more intentionally

01:09:20   and like being intentional with it.

01:09:21   And I want to use focus modes.

01:09:24   I use focus modes a lot,

01:09:25   but I want to create a specific focus mode

01:09:28   for like at home with baby, right?

01:09:32   So like, and then with child.

01:09:34   And so like, I'm thinking about what that might look like.

01:09:37   And something I found out today

01:09:38   while I was digging around in focus modes

01:09:40   that I didn't know is the system

01:09:43   that reduce interruptions uses can be used

01:09:46   on any focus mode.

01:09:48   It's a toggle inside of focus modes.

01:09:50   I was like, aha, that is good.

01:09:53   - It is good.

01:09:54   - So I'm going to try that.

01:09:55   So like, I'm going to set up a baby focus mode.

01:09:57   I don't know exactly know what that's going to include yet,

01:10:00   but I'm going to try the Apple intelligence

01:10:02   reduce interruptions feature inside of that focus mode.

01:10:07   Did you know that that was a thing for Erika?

01:10:09   - No.

01:10:10   - Because there's a toggle.

01:10:12   So inside, because obviously reduce interruptions exists,

01:10:14   right?

01:10:15   And reduce interruptions in focus modes

01:10:18   has the same toggle, but you can't turn it off.

01:10:22   It's called intelligent breakthrough and silencing.

01:10:25   And this wasn't in focus modes before.

01:10:27   And this can now be turned on in any focus mode.

01:10:29   And it says, while this focus is active,

01:10:31   intelligently allow important notifications to interrupt you

01:10:35   and silence notifications determined not to be important.

01:10:38   Any notification specifically allowed or silenced

01:10:41   will always be allowed or silenced.

01:10:43   So I'm going to try that.

01:10:45   - Interesting.

01:10:46   I've never been like, I use focus modes

01:10:49   only for the home screen automation changes.

01:10:52   I've never really particularly cared about notifications.

01:10:57   - Sure.

01:10:58   - I think I have a really strong sense of self,

01:11:02   if you couldn't tell after all these years on the show.

01:11:05   Interruptions on, like I cannot be interrupted.

01:11:09   Notifications cannot interrupt me.

01:11:11   Like if I'm doing something and I get something,

01:11:13   like unless it's like Sylvia texting me,

01:11:16   help me, my car is on fire.

01:11:19   Like, I don't care.

01:11:20   I see notifications come by like, cool.

01:11:22   I'll get to them later.

01:11:24   Like I've never, I never had that compulsion to like,

01:11:27   oh, I've been interrupted, you know?

01:11:30   Nah, I don't care.

01:11:32   - Okay. - Yeah.

01:11:33   - Well, I've created my baby focus.

01:11:36   - Nice.

01:11:37   - Doesn't do anything yet, but I'll think about that one.

01:11:40   'Cause I'll create like home screens and stuff like that.

01:11:44   - Nice.

01:11:45   I have a last item on my list.

01:11:49   And that is, keep doing the research

01:11:53   to incorporate more like assistive AI stuff into what I do.

01:11:58   I hate wasting time on boring, busy work.

01:12:05   I think everybody can relate to this.

01:12:10   So whether it's gonna be, like I mentioned the AI in email,

01:12:15   that's something that I've already started doing.

01:12:18   I wanna look into this new generation of services

01:12:21   that transcribe meetings for you

01:12:25   and give you like a list of actionable items

01:12:29   at the end of the meeting.

01:12:31   I know that Jon really likes to use Granola on the Mac.

01:12:34   - That's funny, I've never heard of it.

01:12:36   I love that there are so many of these things

01:12:38   you just never hear of them.

01:12:39   - Oh, Granola is super good.

01:12:40   Like since I'm not using a Mac and Granola is not on the iPad

01:12:45   he's sending me these transcripts put together by Granola

01:12:48   at the end of a Zoom call.

01:12:49   They are really, really well done.

01:12:52   But I would like to find something that is web-based

01:12:54   or something that is native to the iPad

01:12:57   so that I can also have something like this.

01:12:59   I've been playing around with voice-based,

01:13:04   AI-powered, not taking tools.

01:13:09   Something that I realized I've been doing lately

01:13:13   is I like to talk to myself

01:13:18   when I'm driving.

01:13:19   - What about?

01:13:21   - Making a list of things that I gotta do.

01:13:24   - Okay.

01:13:25   - Yeah, out loud for whatever reason in English.

01:13:28   Like it's totally, my brain is all kinds of fried

01:13:32   at this point between languages.

01:13:35   I did it like a few months ago,

01:13:40   like without thinking about it.

01:13:42   And then after 10 minutes that I was talking to myself,

01:13:45   like I was like, "What am I gonna do?

01:13:47   And then I realized, am I crazy?

01:13:51   Or like, is this actually useful?"

01:13:54   So I started looking into like,

01:13:57   are there other people on the internet

01:14:00   sort of doing the same thing?

01:14:02   And so I found this app called,

01:14:05   let me give you the name, Super Notes, Super Whisper.

01:14:08   Super Whisper.

01:14:09   It's using, I think, the Whisper model for transcriptions.

01:14:13   But what it's interesting

01:14:16   is that you can give the app multiple modes.

01:14:19   In the settings, you can create multiple modes.

01:14:22   And so for example,

01:14:23   I created one mode called Note Taking.

01:14:27   And the prompt, like you can give,

01:14:29   each mode you can give an instruction prompt.

01:14:32   This prompt, I said, reformat the following text.

01:14:35   Structure it for effective note taking

01:14:37   using a combination of markdown,

01:14:38   bulleted lists, and numbered lists.

01:14:41   Ensure that key points ideas or action items

01:14:44   are clearly highlighted.

01:14:45   Check for correct grammar and punctuation.

01:14:48   Do not change the tone.

01:14:49   Use as much of the original text as possible.

01:14:52   When you think you heard max stories,

01:14:55   I actually mean max stories.

01:14:57   That is my prompt for this note taking mode.

01:15:01   It's using my OpenAI API key.

01:15:04   - I love the, you know, the level, I get it,

01:15:06   but like the level you have to go to, you know,

01:15:08   it's just like, I want, I just,

01:15:10   all I want is for it to do it correctly.

01:15:12   - Yes, yes.

01:15:14   And basically I put this thing on my iPhone when I'm driving.

01:15:18   Say I'm gonna, you know, pick up Sylvia

01:15:20   or I'm going to the supermarket or whatever.

01:15:22   Like I'm driving for 10 minutes.

01:15:24   I put this on, I start talking,

01:15:28   and I leave it on for like 10 minutes.

01:15:30   And then I press done, wait for like 30 seconds.

01:15:33   It does its thing in the cloud.

01:15:35   And it gives me back a markdown formatted log

01:15:39   of the things that I reasoned out loud by myself.

01:15:44   And I can see it in Obsidian.

01:15:46   Look, I am fully aware of the fact

01:15:48   that it sounds ridiculous and I look ridiculous doing it.

01:15:51   But once again, I don't care.

01:15:53   There's something to the fact of like thinking out loud.

01:15:57   Yeah, it's weird, but it kind of works for me.

01:16:03   So, and lastly, eventually I would like to find something

01:16:09   that works with Todoist and AI together.

01:16:14   I tried, Todoist has like an AI mode.

01:16:19   It seems to me to be pretty useless

01:16:22   because it's not like actually querying your Todoist.

01:16:25   It's like suggesting tasks for you.

01:16:27   And that is like not the thing I want.

01:16:29   - I couldn't imagine the worst thing.

01:16:30   - No, no, thank you, no, thank you.

01:16:32   - Give me more to do.

01:16:35   - I used to be able to use this external chat GPT integration

01:16:40   like a custom GPT located at the website todoistgpt.com.

01:16:46   A few days ago, it stopped working

01:16:50   and the website doesn't exist anymore.

01:16:52   So I hope at some point to find,

01:16:56   like I just want to be able to talk to my task manager

01:16:58   in retro language and manage my tasks via voice

01:17:04   or via text with like short or long prompts

01:17:09   in a way that works.

01:17:11   So hopefully at some point in 2025,

01:17:13   either Todoist will do it natively

01:17:15   or there'll be some other kind of integration.

01:17:18   Maybe Apple intelligence will let me do it

01:17:21   with the app intents at some point, who knows?

01:17:24   But yeah, finding a way to integrate my task manager

01:17:27   with AI would be nice at some point.

01:17:31   - Did you see like a sort of today that chat GPT

01:17:35   is adding tasks?

01:17:36   - Oh yes, and I have tried them and I have thoughts.

01:17:39   I tried it with one very simple prompt last night.

01:17:45   I said, remind me at 11 p.m.

01:17:49   to review my task manager inbox.

01:17:52   And sure enough, at 11 p.m. I got a notification saying,

01:17:55   review your task manager inbox, good.

01:17:59   Today I was like, okay, now let me see

01:18:01   what you can do if I give you a more,

01:18:05   slightly more complex prompt.

01:18:08   I asked, and I think I still have it here.

01:18:12   I was like, let's do one of those like common things

01:18:16   that people do.

01:18:17   Search for an inspirational quote about art or productivity

01:18:21   or a mix of the two from real famous creative people.

01:18:24   Include the full sentence in double quotes,

01:18:27   followed by the name of the author, the year

01:18:29   and the source, like the title of a book or an interview,

01:18:31   et cetera, and send me these every day at 5 p.m.

01:18:35   Every time this thing tries to run, it says,

01:18:39   I ran into an error, I cannot complete the task for you.

01:18:43   So that's the thoughts that I have about chat GPT tasks.

01:18:47   - It's going great, it's going great.

01:18:48   - Yeah, yeah.

01:18:49   - Steven, do you have any more?

01:18:53   - I'm sure something will come along,

01:18:55   but those two were the top of mind today.

01:18:58   - Okay.

01:18:59   For me, when thinking of apps, like Federica mentioned,

01:19:03   I will be using a baby tracking app,

01:19:06   and this is to kind of track all of the things

01:19:09   that babies do and don't do.

01:19:10   And there's the app that I've found

01:19:12   and has been recommended to me,

01:19:13   and the one that I've checked out and I'm gonna use

01:19:15   is called Mango Baby.

01:19:17   I kind of look at it and think like,

01:19:19   this is the time-ery of baby tracking.

01:19:21   It is made by a single developer.

01:19:23   It integrates all of the features and the OS features

01:19:26   that you might expect and would want,

01:19:29   like widgets and live activities and everything.

01:19:32   And one of my very favorite things,

01:19:34   like just thinking about this app conceptually,

01:19:37   like they have a free mode and they have a pro subscription

01:19:40   that has more features and the pro subscription

01:19:42   is a family sharing subscription.

01:19:44   And it's like, that's good.

01:19:46   'Cause you don't have to do that.

01:19:47   Like it would actually, you'd probably make more money

01:19:49   if you didn't do that because, you know,

01:19:51   a lot of these apps that you can share everything,

01:19:53   you can share all the data.

01:19:56   And I just think that that's really cool that they offer

01:19:59   like a family sharing purchase for their subscription.

01:20:02   I just think that's really nice.

01:20:04   This also goes hand in hand with my beloved iPad mini

01:20:08   is gonna be repurposed to be in the nursery

01:20:12   and it's gonna be for a bunch of things

01:20:13   and it's gonna be focused around parents, right, at first.

01:20:17   So it will have all of the,

01:20:20   like a probably a bunch of widgets on it and stuff

01:20:22   for doing some of this tracking stuff.

01:20:23   So it's around and easy if we need it.

01:20:26   But I also figure it could be used for watching videos

01:20:30   and stuff if we're at late night feeding.

01:20:32   I got a 12 South hover bar tower as a thing to hold.

01:20:36   I saw someone I follow online was using like an iPad stand

01:20:40   next to the nursing chair.

01:20:41   And I was like, aha, there must be a good one.

01:20:43   And I found the good one.

01:20:44   So the 12 South hover bar tower.

01:20:46   So you can kind of just have the iPad just sitting there

01:20:48   and you get to sit and watch Netflix at four o'clock

01:20:51   in the morning when you're trying to get the baby

01:20:53   to go to sleep.

01:20:54   White noise machine, all that kind of stuff.

01:20:56   I figured that would probably be a pretty good use

01:20:58   of this iPad in its little tiny form.

01:21:01   So that's the end of my little workflow changes.

01:21:06   - Okay, that's also the end of this topic.

01:21:10   Lots of changes, you know.

01:21:13   - Before we finish today,

01:21:15   I would like to provide some real time follow up

01:21:17   provided in the Discord by Spol who said,

01:21:19   Stephen switched from an iPhone 14 Pro to 14 Pro Max

01:21:23   mid cycle roughly in March of '23

01:21:25   as revealed in connected 441.

01:21:28   So that was pretty recent.

01:21:29   - Okay.

01:21:30   - Wouldn't you agree?

01:21:32   Pretty recent?

01:21:33   - It's hard.

01:21:35   - Year and a half ago.

01:21:36   - It's hard to say really.

01:21:39   - Yeah.

01:21:40   - No, it's not, it's really not.

01:21:42   - I actually already said it.

01:21:44   So it's been said.

01:21:45   - Yep.

01:21:46   We had a lot of feedback about Federico's closing

01:21:50   of the show last week.

01:21:51   - We loved it Federico.

01:21:53   - See, I knew it.

01:21:55   - So do you wanna do it again?

01:21:56   - You might give yourself a new job, so.

01:21:58   - I can do it again.

01:22:00   - Yeah, do it again.

01:22:01   - Can I do it again now?

01:22:02   - Please.

01:22:03   - Well, this has been episode of connected 535.

01:22:07   It was recorded on Wednesday, January 15th of 2025.

01:22:11   Keep in mind the date in case, you know,

01:22:13   you listen to this in the future, you're like,

01:22:15   what are these folks talking about?

01:22:17   The United States don't exist anymore.

01:22:19   Well, now you know why, because today they exist.

01:22:22   - Because in the pro show, which is amazing,

01:22:24   we spoke about the Nintendo switch,

01:22:26   which may or may not have been revealed at this point.

01:22:28   - No, it will never be revealed.

01:22:29   - The pro show is one of the many excellent features

01:22:33   of connected.

01:22:34   In this case, it's part of connected pro,

01:22:35   which you can get by signing up

01:22:36   for a connected pro membership.

01:22:39   You will be supporting us directly.

01:22:41   You will also be supporting the relay FM network,

01:22:43   which is a fine company, if I do say so myself.

01:22:48   I wanna thank today's sponsors, Squarespace and NetSuite.

01:22:52   Now there's a whole thing to be said

01:22:54   about like wrapping up an episode and being like,

01:22:57   oh, you gotta point people to social media.

01:22:59   Now we're not doing that anymore.

01:23:01   In the sense that if you wanna find us, you'll find us.

01:23:04   Like you're gonna type my name,

01:23:06   you're gonna type Mike's name or Steven's name

01:23:08   in a search box, something will come up.

01:23:11   It may be a fake profile, it may be not.

01:23:14   So use your best judgment.

01:23:16   Here's the thing, like I could do a whole long list

01:23:20   of URLs, I am not, because I don't have the patience

01:23:23   to do it, so use your best, I believe in you,

01:23:27   if you wanna find us on social media, whatever it is.

01:23:30   I write at macstories.net, that's the one link

01:23:32   I will give you.

01:23:33   Mike hosts many shows on relay.

01:23:36   He also does excellent work at Cortex brand,

01:23:39   and he's going to be a dad soon.

01:23:43   So keep that in mind when your finger hovers

01:23:48   over that connected pro membership button.

01:23:52   I'm just saying, he's gonna have a daughter soon.

01:23:56   So use your best judgment.

01:23:59   And Steven writes at 512 pixels,

01:24:03   co-host of the Mac power users here on relay,

01:24:06   another excellent show.

01:24:08   And that's about it.

01:24:09   Like you can now mark this episode as done,

01:24:13   or you could wait 15 more seconds for us to say goodbye.

01:24:17   Say goodbye, guys.

01:24:19   Cheerio.

01:24:21   - Bye y'all.

01:24:21   - Arrivederci.

01:24:23   (laughing)

01:24:25   - The only thing I don't like about the Federico outro

01:24:28   is the order of the goodbyes.

01:24:30   - You gotta get used to it.

01:24:32   - Yeah, I guess so.

01:24:33   - We're doing things different now, so.

01:24:36   - Yep, yep.

01:24:37   Whole new world.

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