00:00:00 ◼ ► from relay this is upgrade episode 548 for january 27th 2025 but recorded a little bit before
00:00:23 ◼ ► so we'll get to this in a minute but we're recording early uh i have a snell talk question
00:00:28 ◼ ► for you that comes from brian who wants to know in the new summing up segment from last week what was
00:00:35 ◼ ► the mountain image used as the wallpaper that was uh on the phone uh yes thank you brian uh so
00:00:41 ◼ ► basically on last week on monday morning i got up and i saw that we had a new segment and that
00:00:47 ◼ ► and also stephen hackett sent us a uh uh you know another apple intelligence summary to laugh at
00:00:53 ◼ ► and i thought maybe we could make like an apple intelligence summary the artwork for summing up
00:00:58 ◼ ► and so i spent half an hour before recording upgrade uh in photoshop making the summing up
00:01:05 ◼ ► image and that's literally the the lock screen image on my phone because that's literally my phone
00:01:11 ◼ ► uh it is uh milford sound in new zealand south island it's a fjord basically and it's a it's a live
00:01:20 ◼ ► photo so when my phone wakes up not only do you see the beautiful new zealand mountains and all that
00:01:25 ◼ ► you see some water splashing at the bottom like splashing on the boats and stuff that's nice and it
00:01:31 ◼ ► was taken moments before a giant splash completely covered my body with water do you have a live
00:01:37 ◼ ► photo of that happening i have some non-live photos i don't think i have oh actually i think i have a
00:01:43 ◼ ► video of the water hitting the the the camera oh that's good time iphone camera yeah yeah it was
00:01:49 ◼ ► great great trip so anyway that's what that's what that is brian is it's it's literally my phone that
00:01:55 ◼ ► was nice artwork by the way you did a good job thank you you did a really good it doesn't it
00:02:00 ◼ ► doesn't withstand close scrutiny there's some things about it that i had to move around i but it like i
00:02:05 ◼ ► thought for a uh quick chapter art thing it was good enough we're breaking the tradition today by the
00:02:12 ◼ ► way we don't i have something about i about ios 18 today but we're not we're not actually going to
00:02:18 ◼ ► talk about notification summaries at least that's not the plan okay like we don't have at least we
00:02:22 ◼ ► don't have anything on bbc that's happened in the last couple of days that's fine we're all good on
00:02:27 ◼ ► that uh if you would like to send in a snow talk question of your own please go to upgradefeedback.com
00:02:33 ◼ ► and you can do that so as previously mentioned in the opening uh we're recording this one a little
00:02:42 ◼ ► no that's it's january mike it's not that early where am i where am i thanks happy thanksgiving to
00:02:48 ◼ ► everyone out there take me back it's 23rd it's just it's 23rd of january so it's just a few days
00:02:55 ◼ ► but it's before the weekend we don't know what was in mark german's uh newsletter on sunday
00:03:00 ◼ ► it's just we're out of time here for travel reasons i i have a trip and there was no way to
00:03:06 ◼ ► schedule this recording at a better time so uh apologies for that but we we've got we've got a
00:03:11 ◼ ► lot to talk about we do actually we've got i've been saving up like a month's worth of rumors because
00:03:16 ◼ ► we've had too many other topics we had too much we have too many topics about notification summaries
00:03:20 ◼ ► to talk about so we haven't been able to do any rounding up of rumors so there is like there are
00:03:24 ◼ ► wild horses everywhere and the two of us have got to handle that one right later on in the episode
00:03:28 ◼ ► but usually when we record in advance so i don't really like to make such a big thing out of it
00:03:33 ◼ ► because it's like i don't know it's stuff that the listener doesn't really particularly need to know
00:03:38 ◼ ► yeah we call that inside baseball it's like you know when we record um and how all how we do all
00:03:44 ◼ ► that sort of doesn't matter because you just get the episode um other than to explain like well why
00:03:49 ◼ ► didn't they talk about mark german's newsletter the answer is we recorded early um it feels even more so
00:03:54 ◼ ► right now though yeah so i mean we're gonna talk about tiktok because that's a follow-up from last time
00:04:00 ◼ ► but i just think that like oh man it's rough this week has been tough uh and i feel like a lot of
00:04:08 ◼ ► people in our audience right now feel bad and i understand it and a lot of people feel threatened
00:04:13 ◼ ► by the new u.s administration and its policies whether you live in the u.s or not which i like for me
00:04:20 ◼ ► is like i i hate that i am depressed this week about a country that's not my own and like how it could
00:04:27 ◼ ► affect me you know what i mean like that is its own thing uh and i just want to say for those people
00:04:32 ◼ ► that are feeling it right now we're thinking of you especially those listeners of ours who are part of
00:04:38 ◼ ► the lgbtq community and yeah relay lgbtq community of which i'm proud that we have uh yes like i can i can
00:04:47 ◼ ► see that people are and i can see that people are like spiraling right now and it's tough because i just
00:04:53 ◼ ► wish that like i just something i don't understand and i and i don't know if i'll ever truly understand
00:04:59 ◼ ► it but i just i don't understand why people don't feel the same way as me which is i just wished that
00:05:05 ◼ ► people could just allow everybody else to just live as people like we're all people and we're all
00:05:19 ◼ ► when we're kind to one another and accepting of each other and like from all walks of life like this is
00:05:25 ◼ ► not an i'm like not trying to like throw bombs at someone and not like just i just wished everyone
00:05:31 ◼ ► could just get along and and it's but it seems like it can't yeah right now there feels like there
00:05:38 ◼ ► are a lot of people who are um they feel their very existence feels under siege and that's it's it's
00:05:44 ◼ ► terrible it's terrible i want to throw in as well uh what we've been seeing this week uh post the
00:05:51 ◼ ► inauguration um so last week i guess we're out of time here a lot of a lot of disappointment tim cook
00:05:57 ◼ ► right now um for attending the inauguration after donating a million dollars for it um and then they of course
00:06:03 ◼ ► moved it so to inside where everybody got to be really close together and in lots of photographs
00:06:09 ◼ ► and you know i i absolutely understand the disappointment tim in tim cook um given that
00:06:16 ◼ ► he's present around the beginning of this new administration i also think that disappointment
00:06:22 ◼ ► represents some larger and more complicated thoughts about tim cook and about apple and about
00:06:30 ◼ ► what it's all about and it is complicated and i do think we should talk about it on that kind of a
00:06:37 ◼ ► very upgraded kind of approach to that soon but not yet this is not this is not the moment i'm not
00:06:45 ◼ ► really ready to talk about it yet but i do think that we need to talk about the roots of the disappointment
00:06:51 ◼ ► and what tim cook is doing and apple's place in the world and all of that and i think we will
00:06:57 ◼ ► we will get there yeah um soon like maybe there's something to say that like for all of us as
00:07:03 ◼ ► upgradians like we need to think about like what do we like about apple and you know and like think about
00:07:09 ◼ ► that and you know because i know this has been a thing that me and you have been feeling for a while
00:07:14 ◼ ► anyway right like with all the lawyer up stuff and just like like what do we like and why and
00:07:21 ◼ ► how do we like focus on that where we can yeah i think it's clear over the 10 plus years of this
00:07:29 ◼ ► podcast that there are lots of things that apple and apple executives do that are at the very least
00:07:38 ◼ ► questionable in terms of the what the company states as it's you know benevolent uh make the world a better
00:07:47 ◼ ► place belief system and uh we've talked about it in the past um we will talk about it again but um i i
00:07:57 ◼ ► definitely see in a lot of people right now this conflict happening where there's the apple they
00:08:04 ◼ ► what the apple corporation actually is and there's a lot of understandable upset and cognitive dissonance
00:08:22 ◼ ► and it all makes sense um and i am you know i i i really feel for everybody who's hurting right now
00:08:29 ◼ ► and uh we will talk about this more but not today so let's actually talk about where we are with
00:08:37 ◼ ► tiktok follow-up wise so donald trump signed an executive order to suspend the tiktok ban for 75 days
00:08:48 ◼ ► a u.s thing like i'm not really sure what that is yet and all of this is kind of like supposedly like
00:08:58 ◼ ► supposedly there's a ban and supposedly there'll be a sale because it is kind of unclear at this stage
00:09:05 ◼ ► if the president can do any of this like essentially from what i've been able to understand from the
00:09:11 ◼ ► good reading that i've been doing and i'll put links in the show notes trump is essentially asking
00:09:15 ◼ ► the department of justice not to enforce a law and not to punish anyone that breaks it during this time
00:09:27 ◼ ► and allow for this is the best that i can understand it's kind of just like uh hey we're all friends
00:09:33 ◼ ► here you know it's a it's a very interesting situation and again it's like also not what he
00:09:41 ◼ ► clearly promised tiktok he would do right because tiktok was like all glorious leaders giving us 90
00:09:49 ◼ ► days which it wasn't and he'll save tiktok which he hasn't and we're in this interesting like
00:09:55 ◼ ► not i think everyone is kind of like doesn't know what to do right now so it's just like going along
00:10:02 ◼ ► and it is it is kind of funny and ridiculous and also deadly serious because what we're dealing
00:10:10 ◼ ► with here is somebody who is the president of the united states and has some a lot of very specific
00:10:15 ◼ ► powers but is behaving as if they have all the powers which you know he said again listen to what
00:10:21 ◼ ► the man says he said he would be a dictator on day one yeah um he is he is saying the the law
00:10:27 ◼ ► enforcement agency see of the united states shouldn't enforce the law he's saying that he's
00:10:33 ◼ ► granted uh 75 day whatever that is not in the law that is not what it's meant for there's a 90 day
00:10:39 ◼ ► delay uh that's meant for uh if an ongoing negotiation is happening which there there still isn't and then
00:10:46 ◼ ► he's also throwing out kind of bizarre statements like we'll do a thing we'll do a deal where it's 50 50
00:10:51 ◼ ► the u.s government will own half of it and china can own half of it which is again not against the law
00:10:56 ◼ ► the law says it's got to be what less than 20 chinese ownership but it's got to be a majority
00:11:01 ◼ ► ownership and then and then is it the u.s government at some points he said well the u.s government will
00:11:05 ◼ ► own it and it's basically saying look this is a shakedown uh we're gonna somebody's gonna put in a
00:11:12 ◼ ► few billion dollars to buy tiktok but the u.s government will own half so that when it sells
00:11:16 ◼ ► the government will make money because that's what we do now is we regulate foreign companies in order to
00:11:21 ◼ ► shake them down for money um that's all going on here and then that is not the most disturbing
00:11:30 ◼ ► courts except so many of the courts especially the higher level courts are full of trump appointees
00:11:37 ◼ ► from the last time are they going to stop him or are they going to let him do whatever he wants
00:11:41 ◼ ► is there a rule of law or isn't there unknown completely unknown and then there's congress which
00:11:47 ◼ ► like congress could be the answer here but again maybe i don't know enough about american politics
00:11:51 ◼ ► right but like if you're a congressperson or you're a senate senator there you go a senate person
00:11:59 ◼ ► yeah right something he's undermining your job now they've they all voted for this yeah it was a vast
00:12:07 ◼ ► majority of of the house and senate voted for this so he's undermining them on multiple levels so like
00:12:12 ◼ ► you can be part of the party but if you don't do anything about this or if you change your kind
00:12:20 ◼ ► of tact on it you're essentially saying you are not important right right that's that's definitely an
00:12:27 ◼ ► aspect of it is is you know can you ignore them or do you do they get on side i think maybe they don't
00:12:33 ◼ ► because everything is fractious especially in the house of representatives where the majority is so thin
00:12:37 ◼ ► you have to get everybody to agree to change the law um so that's a problem and then i i didn't even
00:12:43 ◼ ► mention if the u.s government owned a social media company it would be subject to the first amendment
00:12:51 ◼ ► which means that there could literally be no rules on it because the government can't control speech oh
00:12:57 ◼ ► that's great oh man that's incredible i had not thought of that that isn't that is an incredible thing
00:13:03 ◼ ► you know what though jason his i don't think i my re i don't think he means the government but
00:13:10 ◼ ► sometimes it's just so hard to understand what sometimes it's just hard to understand what he's
00:13:16 ◼ ► saying he means yeah he means larry ellison and elon musk or something it's impossible so actually
00:13:22 ◼ ► about that so there is the warship journal had some reporting that apparently china is now signaling
00:13:27 ◼ ► that they'd be willing to look at a deal i think they have they did their best and realized
00:13:32 ◼ ► they don't have a choice anymore right like that they took it as far as they could and it's all
00:13:36 ◼ ► falling together it's a negotiation thing right you say absolutely not and then you get to this
00:13:40 ◼ ► point and they're like well we might as well do something about this uh and uh nothing's been put
00:13:46 ◼ ► together at the time of recording but right now it kind of seems like everyone with money is willing
00:13:51 ◼ ► to buy this from mr beast to larry ellison to of course elon musk nobody would sell something as
00:14:00 ◼ ► powerful as tiktok unless forced to do so right nobody would do that you would never sell this
00:14:05 ◼ ► yeah you're completely right there is no it's like would would meta sell off instagram like would they
00:14:10 ◼ ► just do that no they wouldn't do that that's insane to do for any price they wouldn't do it and and what
00:14:15 ◼ ► are they buying that's the other thing here right what are you buying if you buy the u.s tiktok are you
00:14:19 ◼ ► buying an empty bag that says tiktok on it is that what you're buying yes i think so because i don't i
00:14:24 ◼ ► think part of the original thing is that the algorithm would not be for sale here like you're so this
00:14:30 ◼ ► actually leads me to a couple of questions that i have like in this scenario so let's say i think
00:14:35 ◼ ► it's the most likely outcome at this point is that an american tiktok is created right i think that is
00:14:45 ◼ ► the most likely thing and that everybody who has tiktok in the u.s is migrated to this new tiktok
00:14:54 ◼ ► somehow right if this happens and then what is this tiktok usa only or does tiktok usa get to see
00:15:04 ◼ ► stuff from around the world and vice versa it's just it's just people doing dances to party in the u.s.a
00:15:09 ◼ ► right and then that's it so if so then imagine this right so i'm assuming tiktok usa is its absolute
00:15:17 ◼ ► owned thing because otherwise what's the point right so like it is it is a container of its own
00:15:22 ◼ ► does tiktok usa then become available also in other countries well this is this is the mystery right this
00:15:29 ◼ ► is the big mystery is is is tiktok in the usa uh run by this but does it interlink so that their videos
00:15:35 ◼ ► appear elsewhere and other videos from around the world appear in this but they're they're algorithmically
00:15:41 ◼ ► ranked differently because they're being ranked like this and this becomes and first off that's
00:15:46 ◼ ► a huge engineering challenge right to be like you're of our our tiktok or not the other question
00:15:52 ◼ ► is again what is it what does it really mean they could also say well now the now the u.s owns it and
00:15:58 ◼ ► it's on u.s soil for its servers but otherwise it's completely just part of tiktok around the world
00:16:04 ◼ ► in which case what are we even doing here but again what are we even doing there may be answers to
00:16:09 ◼ ► these questions in that law but that law is too much for me to understand honestly so like i'm kind
00:16:14 ◼ ► of just for me and also there might be an answer but what is it it doesn't we'll just have to wait
00:16:19 ◼ ► but like i this is like the way however this unfolds is like a fascinating scenario so to me this is
00:16:27 ◼ ► going to be my prediction right now i'm just going to throw this out there yes what's going to happen
00:16:30 ◼ ► is um they're going to get a deal yeah the chinese government is going to has has already said you
00:16:36 ◼ ► know we're not going to stop a company from selling things which was not their policy before
00:16:41 ◼ ► so bite dance is like all right in order for us to stay alive in the u.s we're going to have to sell
00:16:46 ◼ ► um the u.s interest to somebody and they will line up a deal in the next month they will line up a deal
00:16:52 ◼ ► with maybe there will be bidders um right because it sounds like they're they're all sorts of different
00:16:59 ◼ ► well i mean i say maybe there will be bidders because it's possible that they'll literally just hand it to
00:17:04 ◼ ► a favored friend yeah okay yeah yeah but but i do think that there are a bunch of american companies
00:17:09 ◼ ► that will offer money for this and that a deal will be put together and that that deal my prediction
00:17:16 ◼ ► is that deal will not satisfy the law and that trump will then challenge congress to change the law
00:17:26 ◼ ► he's got a deal now they need to pass the changes to approve it to save tiktok and he basically puts
00:17:34 ◼ ► it in their hands to be blamed if it fails that's my prediction is that it is that it will end up being
00:17:40 ◼ ► the buck will be passed elsewhere for the saving or killing of tiktok in the u.s i really don't know
00:17:47 ◼ ► why we're going through all of this like i don't know why didn't he just let it go he'd already won the election
00:17:52 ◼ ► why did he need to be the savior of tiktok like just let it go uh yeah especially since he started all of this
00:17:58 ◼ ► i don't know i mean that you're dealing with that guy's psychology it's very hard to say i mean my feeling is
00:18:03 ◼ ► that he he has a intern or somebody who started posting on tiktok and people said nice things about
00:18:11 ◼ ► him on tiktok and so now he's like oh that's a place where people like me maybe i could save it and
00:18:16 ◼ ► he likes being seen as this as the as the saver of things and but what's bizarre here is right he
00:18:23 ◼ ► started this because he said the chinese communist party is controlling the minds of our children that's
00:18:27 ◼ ► basically what he said to begin with and now he's going to come and go no no it's fine it's fine
00:18:31 ◼ ► i don't know it makes him i think really it's just because biden signed it and so he wants to
00:18:36 ◼ ► come in and undo everything that biden did so even if he was continuing like there's a whole thing okay
00:18:42 ◼ ► this is liftoff a podcast that is not retired but only in hiatus on relay fm uh liftoff we covered the
00:18:50 ◼ ► trump administration the first time about their policies for space and what's interesting is a lot
00:18:56 ◼ ► of those policies were continued by the biden administration and what it sounds like is happening now
00:19:00 ◼ ► is that the new trump administration is coming in and saying oh those space policies are terrible
00:19:05 ◼ ► uh they're biden policies we're going to get rid of them and it's like you started them this is just
00:19:10 ◼ ► politics doesn't matter we're having a lot of that here where the conservatives are like saying to
00:19:15 ◼ ► labor look at this terrible thing that happened they're like but this you were in power then but
00:19:20 ◼ ► it's like yeah no that you did this i've been following that story where it's like there's multiple
00:19:24 ◼ ► stories stand up for this thing that's been happening for years and years and years it's like
00:19:27 ◼ ► weren't you guys in power for a decade it's like well don't talk about that so yeah no the government's
00:19:34 ◼ ► the problem and you're the government it's like okay i guess but that's all this stuff is it's just
00:19:39 ◼ ► blame games i'm this tiktok story like is interesting to me because i just i don't know where it's gonna go
00:19:47 ◼ ► and it will affect a lot of people and it's important not just because it's tiktok and silly dances and
00:19:52 ◼ ► stuff like that it's important because it will help define what the new trump administration's
00:19:56 ◼ ► relationship to china is and what the new trump's administration to the relationship with the tech
00:20:03 ◼ ► industry is it will help define those clearly different to the first administration right we
00:20:07 ◼ ► can see that already thus far yeah yeah thus far thus far we'll see where it goes but uh it's starting
00:20:13 ◼ ► off with a bang let's do some follow-up ios 18.3 is in release candidate and in the release candidate
00:20:25 ◼ ► it enables apple intelligence by default so currently when you with 18.1 and 18.2 during the setup process
00:20:34 ◼ ► you're asked if you want to do this and you can choose to do this i think maybe a point one you have
00:20:38 ◼ ► to go do it on your own but point two it's like hey do you want to do this with 18.3 it doesn't ask
00:20:43 ◼ ► you anymore it just starts the process of of onboarding you to apple intelligence you can disable it but you
00:20:49 ◼ ► have to set it up first then go into settings and disable it it is still being labeled as a beta
00:20:57 ◼ ► yeah see i look i don't have a problem with apple turning features on sure i know some people do but
00:21:06 ◼ ► like if you don't turn it on no one will ever turn it on yeah and so if you want people to use your
00:21:11 ◼ ► feature you turn it on and then you let people turn it off this is a curious one to do it on because this
00:21:17 ◼ ► is also the beta where they're turning off some features right well they are they're turning off a
00:21:22 ◼ ► bunch of summary things and all of that here well so so in general i i'm not talking about 18.3 i'm
00:21:29 ◼ ► just in general i think you do need to turn things on because otherwise nobody will find it like you
00:21:34 ◼ ► you do need to say hey there's a new feature and so i understand what they're going for here yes you
00:21:41 ◼ ► could argue that what they need to do is say hey here's a new feature uh you would you like to turn it
00:21:47 ◼ ► on but i can understand them saying no we're going to turn it on and then if you don't like it you can
00:21:50 ◼ ► turn it off because this is a major part of the os experience now i get all that however coming on
00:21:56 ◼ ► the heels of them turning off temporarily supposedly news summaries and all of that um in this in this
00:22:03 ◼ ► beta uh but especially on the heels of apple using as its defense for the terrible summaries and
00:22:14 ◼ ► notifications that but will remind you in a very condescending way the statement says will remind you
00:22:19 ◼ ► this is a beta and the idea there is don't judge us we told you this was a beta you know what beta
00:22:25 ◼ ► means it means anything goes and things could be broken and and and then at the end of that that
00:22:29 ◼ ► condescending statement they say you know we're looking forward to your feedback about it it's very
00:22:34 ◼ ► much like hey dummy it's a beta you can't criticize us just send us file a radar right like it's essentially
00:22:39 ◼ ► the attitude that i got from that statement it's very much um hiding under the beta even though it's in
00:22:45 ◼ ► shipping software which the whole argument about how do you call something a beta feature inside
00:22:50 ◼ ► a shipping version of the os like but certainly if you still call it a beta and you turn it on
00:22:57 ◼ ► like why what does beta mean at that point what does it even mean because you can't i think they
00:23:03 ◼ ► already can't hide behind the word beta because of all the ads and all the ways that they push this
00:23:08 ◼ ► stuff but if they turn it on by default like what are we even doing here the beta beta is meaningless it
00:23:16 ◼ ► means a new feature that doesn't work right but you have to deal with it anyway i just it's ridiculous
00:23:21 ◼ ► uh so on the last episode in ask upgrade we were talking about uh retro max that we would like to be
00:23:30 ◼ ► modernized and we had a couple of people write in about this holly wrote in to say uh last week you
00:23:36 ◼ ► called out wanting the 12 inch macbook and the g4 imac as hardware designs you'd love to see uh return
00:23:41 ◼ ► i had assumed one of you would refer to the colorful clamshell ibook g3 series and was disappointed it
00:23:48 ◼ ► wasn't included it made me wonder if you feel there is room in the apple laptop lineup for the return of
00:23:53 ◼ ► such colors in the macbook air assuming they could handle the variety of uh options necessary to do so
00:23:59 ◼ ► what kind of colors could the colors are choose so good it's a good point because we are so often
00:24:06 ◼ ► talking about color and then we didn't do that i feel i feel very strongly that the macbook air
00:24:13 ◼ ► should have colors and they probably should just be the imac colors the current imac colors yeah
00:24:18 ◼ ► that would be a good start at least you know like yeah i mean we know they can anodize aluminum in
00:24:22 ◼ ► those colors that might be a fun thing to do now holly the reason that we didn't mention the clamshell
00:24:27 ◼ ► ibook g3 is because i don't i because the question was what would you like to use upgraded with modern
00:24:33 ◼ ► parts and i do not want to use the big toilet seat ibook like i don't i don't it was a different time
00:24:41 ◼ ► it was huge it was weird my mom had one and when she they my parents sold the house i grew up in and
00:24:48 ◼ ► they were full-time motorhomers for 11 years and for the first few years of that she that was the
00:24:53 ◼ ► computer she sent email she would carry it with the little handle she'd carry it up to the office at the
00:24:58 ◼ ► various parks because there was no wi-fi in most of these motorhome parks at that point and they had
00:25:02 ◼ ► they would have like a line you could plug into to dial in to the internet in order to get your email
00:25:07 ◼ ► i'm like i have fond fond memories of the clamshell ibook but i would not want one however the colors
00:25:14 ◼ ► yes the colors on it are really nice and uh they had they had lots of them there was tangerine and there
00:25:20 ◼ ► was a blue and then they had like later there was like a green and they're cute i would love something
00:25:25 ◼ ► like that back in the macbook airline um but you know it's it's uh i wouldn't bring it back
00:25:33 ◼ ► is what i'm saying yeah i mean it's it's the colors are fun the overall shape it's kind of like for me
00:25:38 ◼ ► of why did i say the g4 instead of the g3 right i really love the iMac g3 i love the colors i don't
00:25:44 ◼ ► need a crt on my desk that's exactly what would be in it would there be like a terrarium in the back
00:25:48 ◼ ► where you grow things or an aquarium where is the problem where like a g3 ibook i don't think
00:25:55 ◼ ► that's going in my bag like i don't think i can do that it's huge you can't you can't and so that
00:26:02 ◼ ► that's the g4 is an adaptable thing and that's why i mentioned the 12 inch macbook is that is that i
00:26:07 ◼ ► could see that very shape with modern hardware in it but i do appreciate holly pivoting in the middle
00:26:12 ◼ ► of this question to a better question which is colors in macbook air and yeah i just would like
00:26:17 ◼ ► some bright colors i know it's not for everyone i bought a a midnight uh my macbook pro now is a
00:26:23 ◼ ► space black uh this would make you think that i like to pretend that i'm batman or something but the
00:26:28 ◼ ► truth is the truth is if there was a bright blue or a bright orange like those iMac colors i would
00:26:38 ◼ ► have gotten that i i got the midnight because i'm so tired of silver laptops i'm just tired of them
00:26:46 ◼ ► they're great they're a classic it's a classic look but i'm just like it's like every other
00:26:51 ◼ ► apple laptop forever and ever and i like something different but if i was given the option of buying an
00:26:59 ◼ ► orange or a blue laptop bright blue not blue so dark that it looks like black except in certain light
00:27:06 ◼ ► where it looks sort of blue which is what midnight is i would do it but they don't offer those
00:27:11 ◼ ► uh leroy wrote in to say do you think it's possible for someone to make a g4 base with something like a
00:27:17 ◼ ► base amount so it could hold a modern iMac to create mike's dream computer now that would be fun but what
00:27:24 ◼ ► i will say though is i've i've seen a bunch of these things online i don't know over the last six months
00:27:28 ◼ ► or so of people taking the g4 and doing stuff with it i will put a link in the show notes to a video
00:27:34 ◼ ► from a youtube channel called action retro this is one of the ones that i've seen where this youtuber
00:27:40 ◼ ► is essentially has been putting new guts in a g4 for a long time they recently they did an m2 macbook air
00:27:49 ◼ ► and now they've done it with the m4 macbook air so they have created an imac g4 powered by an m4
00:27:57 ◼ ► it's fantastic it's great i love it yeah yeah i i would i don't know about that video i my big issue
00:28:04 ◼ ► with it is the panel because i would want to put a retina panel in so one i was trying to find this but
00:28:09 ◼ ► i had seen on threads a while ago someone who was going through the process and they had done it of
00:28:15 ◼ ► replacing the screen with a new screen like they they had actually it was bigger and it was lcd and
00:28:24 ◼ ► they had done a bunch of stuff to like weight it correctly like it was it was a long process that
00:28:28 ◼ ► they were going through it wasn't even someone i was following because yeah so the algorithm it just
00:28:32 ◼ ► every time this guy had an update i would see it uh and so like people this is a project that people
00:28:38 ◼ ► undergo because of how cool this computer is and so like there are a lot of people that do this
00:28:42 ◼ ► i think it's the best mac design the single best mac design it's beautiful um the reason that it
00:28:47 ◼ ► didn't continue i'm going to say this again because we said it last week is screens got bigger and
00:28:52 ◼ ► they're too heavy and the only way to counter it is to make the base heavy and apple decided that that
00:28:59 ◼ ► was the the amount of weight you'd have to put in a base to put even a modern imac on an arm above
00:29:07 ◼ ► it would be a lot yeah i mean we're talking like it's like it's like how kids that you got the
00:29:14 ◼ ► basketball hoop you can put in the driveway and you got to have sandbags on it or they fill it with
00:29:18 ◼ ► water i mean it's like that you have to have weight at the bottom so that it doesn't tip over and uh
00:29:24 ◼ ► that's clearly apple's designers looked at where um screens were going and said we can't keep this design
00:29:29 ◼ ► as great as it is we can't keep it going um but i love it it's essentially a laptop i mean that's
00:29:35 ◼ ► the beauty of it is it's essentially a laptop but even our laptop screens you know are are creeping up
00:29:41 ◼ ► to be g4 imac size at this point so uh you could do it it would basically be like a macbook uh air or
00:29:48 ◼ ► pro inside a g4 there's plenty of room inside that's the funny thing there's plenty of room inside the
00:29:54 ◼ ► half a volleyball down at the bottom you just got to have the weight down there so that it doesn't tip
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00:31:47 ◼ ► jason it's time to lawyer up oh clunk quick one today it's a quick one okay i could not do it uh
00:31:55 ◼ ► all right the uk government has announced that the competitions and markets authority the cma
00:32:01 ◼ ► don't get it confused with a dma uh has opened an investigation into mobile ecosystems mobile
00:32:07 ◼ ► ecosystems they would be called yes of course uh to determine if apple and google exert too much
00:32:13 ◼ ► control does this sound familiar i want to read from the government's website two investigations
00:32:18 ◼ ► one into apple and another into google which i do appreciate by the way they are separate investigations
00:32:24 ◼ ► right like i like that because there's a way that you could just do this broad thing separate
00:32:29 ◼ ► investigations that will assess in parallel these firms position in their respective mobile ecosystems
00:32:36 ◼ ► which include the operating systems app stores and browsers that operate on mobile devices
00:32:41 ◼ ► the investigations will explore the impact on people who use mobile devices and the thousands of
00:32:46 ◼ ► businesses developing innovative services or content such as apps for these devices essentially it sounds
00:32:54 ◼ ► like the uk version of the dma is this is what this is beginning uh there is a deadline for this
00:33:01 ◼ ► investigation to conclude uh in october um so we can take a breather in this a bit here's what i'll say
00:33:08 ◼ ► i'm interested about this i am i'm a little bit surprised in one way but not in the other and what i'll say is
00:33:14 ◼ ► one of the big things that the government here is talking about right now is trying to make the uk
00:33:20 ◼ ► a place for investment and growth like we're trying to get businesses so when i initially saw this i was
00:33:25 ◼ ► like hmm that's a surprise like you know to to kind of uh put the hammer down on apple and google but
00:33:31 ◼ ► then when i think about it from the other side of like unless they are using this as an opportunity to
00:33:36 ◼ ► try and encourage more varied business development on these platforms so all these things are just
00:33:45 ◼ ► completely unrelated and this is going to happen anyway no matter what the government says so this is
00:33:50 ◼ ► happening and it's and it's labor so they're more inclined to regulate than the tories were
00:33:57 ◼ ► it's honestly it's hard to tell right now i you know like i'm not trying to be like i'm not trying
00:34:03 ◼ ► to be like all labor bad i read i read i read in dunst's newsletter i know what's going on
00:34:07 ◼ ► and also the other thing is over there yesterday this is the thing that's weird to me is yesterday
00:34:14 ◼ ► the cma chief changed so like it's a weird thing to do this and now the cma the the competition and
00:34:22 ◼ ► markets authority the old person is out and the new person coming in worked at amazon previous course
00:34:32 ◼ ► so i don't know if that's obviously unrelated but it's like well does this chief of the cma have the same
00:34:44 ◼ ► hunger for this i don't know dma cma i love it this is great it uh we spent a lot of money on that
00:34:55 ◼ ► lawyer up art and i'm glad that we get to keep using it forever and ever yep and ever so yeah interesting
00:35:04 ◼ ► times i yeah the reason we knew we have been the whole point of this is we have been saying this is
00:35:10 ◼ ► going to happen right like we have been saying it was a matter of time until these started happening
00:35:27 ◼ ► we are indeed that's what they say so this is the i've got stuff for this segment mike i don't know i
00:35:35 ◼ ► don't know we're going back all the way to the end of december with some of these jason i've been i've
00:35:41 ◼ ► been i've been sitting on some rumors to run mega rumor roundup so this was according to reuters at the
00:35:47 ◼ ► end of last year that apple was in talks above byte dance and tencent to bring their ai models to the
00:35:53 ◼ ► iphone like how chat gpt is available elsewhere in the world and this is important because in china
00:35:59 ◼ ► the government has to approve any generative ai models for public use chat gpt did not pass that
00:36:05 ◼ ► and has not passed that so apple will have to work with one of these entities i don't think that
00:36:12 ◼ ► this stuff with byte dance would preclude them from doing this but no it would make it weird i don't
00:36:17 ◼ ► know this is exactly like all the other ios stuff that is like i support all of these uh social media
00:36:23 ◼ ► things that are in the rest of the world and in china i support these other things that are in china
00:36:26 ◼ ► only and the other places aren't available like this is the iphone in china is very localized to chinese
00:36:32 ◼ ► services because the chinese services are available and the rest of world services are not and so that's
00:36:38 ◼ ► what this is this is actually not surprising at all it's more interesting that i wonder if we'll get
00:36:43 ◼ ► chinese uh ai models uh connected to ios faster than we'll get an alternative to chat gpt connected to
00:36:51 ◼ ► ios in the rest of the world i don't know yeah so i mean but this is also another thing of it is still
00:36:57 ◼ ► surprising to me that we haven't seen any other models even hinted at in the us i know i know i think i
00:37:04 ◼ ► predicted somewhere that uh that it may be wwdc at this point where they announce some new partners
00:37:11 ◼ ► that will be coming in the ios 19 cycle do you think there is any possibility that apple gave open ai
00:37:19 ◼ ► like a quiet exclusive like we're gonna open this up to everyone but like not too fast sure yeah i think
00:37:27 ◼ ► that's possible it's not there was a little like a little wink wink nudge nudge kind of thing saying
00:37:32 ◼ ► you know you got it for the first nine months or whatever yeah but it's also not possible to know
00:37:35 ◼ ► that in a sense of like maybe google was just like no we want people to install the gemini app we don't
00:37:40 ◼ ► want to that's also possible although again having access to ios users is really good and you would
00:37:47 ◼ ► want that and and you know the open ai is very motivated to be there because you know the competitor
00:37:54 ◼ ► google has their own mobile operating system so that's kind of rough uh you access there a little
00:38:01 ◼ ► bit maybe harder and uh so that's true then again apple may offer terms that that open ai had to take
00:38:07 ◼ ► and google's like no yeah so we we it's hard to tell from the outside uh ming chi quo's supply chain
00:38:14 ◼ ► sources indicated to him he wrote a memo about this that demand for the iphone 16 line is not indicating that
00:38:21 ◼ ► apple intelligence has been a reason for a surge in device upgrades this was a thing leading up to
00:38:26 ◼ ► these phones coming out of like we're gonna get a super cycle because people are so excited and look
00:38:33 ◼ ► i don't know this and we can't really know this from ming chi quo's reporting but i thought it was
00:38:37 ◼ ► just an interesting detail from him of like it's like gang they're not like making billions of these
00:38:44 ◼ ► you know like it's not really done anything we're coming up to an analyst call and uh and
00:38:49 ◼ ► a quarterly earnings that'll happen later this week yeah um but and we'll talk about it next week yeah but
00:38:55 ◼ ► in the last one i think that i think there's been a sense that this was going that if apple intelligence
00:39:01 ◼ ► was going to drive a super cycle it was going to be over a long time because the features weren't
00:39:06 ◼ ► rolling out they were going to be rolling out slowly and i think generally an understanding that it was
00:39:18 ◼ ► i think that these these uh reports bear that out to a certain degree however i think it's interesting
00:39:24 ◼ ► as somebody who watches uh sports and gets inundated with uh cell phone ads that all the carriers are
00:39:33 ◼ ► flogging apple intelligence remember how last year everybody wanted titanium this year everybody wants
00:39:38 ◼ ► apple intelligence but the thing is the truth is it's just a proxy for there's a new iphone and maybe
00:39:43 ◼ ► you want the new iphone that and they got to give you a one-line reason and the one-liner is with apple
00:39:47 ◼ ► intelligence and it's like that's for all we know they're told what they have to say well that's that's
00:39:53 ◼ ► true they're probably given i mean what is what does apple give them these are the marketing points for
00:39:57 ◼ ► the apple uh for the iphone is apple intelligence yeah that's it right designed for apple intelligence is
00:40:02 ◼ ► what they're going for just like it was i i still remember that there was an at&t ad last year it's like you can get a new iphone
00:40:07 ◼ ► mm titanium i thought well you're trying you know he gets all this is all you got is titanium they're
00:40:14 ◼ ► not doing like camera control or whatever they're like oh it's apple intelligence because they think
00:40:18 ◼ ► that's going to drive it and i do think it drives it to a certain degree but the super cycle the thing
00:40:23 ◼ ► is the super cycle is is a i probably wouldn't upgrade my iphone but i'm going to do it right
00:40:28 ◼ ► now because i got to have this new thing yeah as opposed to the usual upgrade cycle which is just
00:40:38 ◼ ► feels it's very much more more like a hedge against the competition than it is a gotta have
00:40:44 ◼ ► it feature and so we understand it strategically from apple's point of view but in terms of like
00:40:49 ◼ ► consumers i i don't think it's resonating with them um and and maybe as more features come online
00:40:58 ◼ ► it will i think that that's maybe apple's hope is that this is going to spur updates over time
00:41:03 ◼ ► because there will become a moment where you'll go oh i gotta have that feature and that's why you
00:41:08 ◼ ► know that's why are there genmoji ads in part it's because you're like why can't i do that it's like you
00:41:13 ◼ ► got to get the new iphone to do that oh okay and then they get the new iphone i really tried to make
00:41:19 ◼ ► a good bucatini with some peas to send to you and i i sent you the best one i had but i couldn't get
00:41:23 ◼ ► it to look how it looked in the app which i said about yeah i sent you a horse wearing a suit and tie
00:41:28 ◼ ► though you sure did you sure did i think you keep doing that um nine to five mac have found evidence
00:41:34 ◼ ► for something called quote apple invites in the 18.3 beta quote after analyzing the code we believe
00:41:41 ◼ ► the app is designed to help you users organize meetings and in-person events code suggests that
00:41:47 ◼ ► the invites app will integrate with icloud and will even have a web version on icloud.com the new app
00:41:53 ◼ ► also integrates with a new ios 18 demon i love that called group kit which manages database models for
00:41:59 ◼ ► groups of people so this is essentially there's like remnants of some kind of an app which maybe will
00:42:05 ◼ ► come 18 or 19 that is to help people get together and i find this to be a very peculiar task to tackle
00:42:13 ◼ ► in an app outside of the calendar app and it reminds me of these like apps that appear every now and again
00:42:19 ◼ ► like i saw someone talk people talking about clips recently because uh cap cut went away um but also
00:42:26 ◼ ► there was like uh music memos was one and like there's been these apps over time that honestly feel like
00:42:32 ◼ ► somebody was told like you can make something go make something and they made it the funny thing to
00:42:37 ◼ ► me also is apple invites means a very specific thing to listeners of this show which this is not
00:42:43 ◼ ► you know new apple invites are out means it's time for an event but no it would mean there is an update
00:42:57 ◼ ► i hmm is this is this an app or is it a feature inside calendar is the first question right like
00:43:05 ◼ ► because i have to i have to ask like why why would it be a separate app other than just just to keep it
00:43:12 ◼ ► separate um i look i do this and i'm not a person at a big business but i have to do this for like
00:43:19 ◼ ► podcasts and other things where i use strawpole.com to do this we used to use doodle doodle got kind of
00:43:25 ◼ ► junky straw pulls nice um and uh fantastical has a feature that does this right um i wonder with group
00:43:34 ◼ ► kit though it makes me also wonder if this is apple realizing the world that it's in and building
00:43:42 ◼ ► features with apis right so like well we're going to roll out this feature but we're also going to roll
00:43:47 ◼ ► out an api so the third-party apps can use it because they know it's going to be required in the eu or
00:43:52 ◼ ► whatever and so they build it they built it with that in uh you know connected so that everybody
00:43:58 ◼ ► can connect to the group kit api and understand how it's going i don't know it's interesting there's
00:44:03 ◼ ► definitely a use case here because fantastical built their whole feature about this and i use a website
00:44:08 ◼ ► that does this mostly because you know again one of the challenges here with all of these and it'll be
00:44:13 ◼ ► true with apples too is that everybody's on their own system and so it's not great like you could use
00:44:21 ◼ ► google calendar or you could use fantastical but like then you got somebody who's not using that
00:44:25 ◼ ► calendar and then what do you do with them and i don't know it's it's complicated yeah i always like
00:44:31 ◼ ► the idea of these types of services more than i actually like to use these things i think that for
00:44:36 ◼ ► me something that i never want to do is just leave like these huge chunks of time just like
00:44:41 ◼ ► booked up on my calendar and i have to wait until someone agrees to do something like i don't know
00:44:45 ◼ ► but weird weird thing to just be like hanging out there and i was 18.3 yeah uh mark german reported
00:44:54 ◼ ► that apple was considering adding a smart doorbell to its product lineup so this would be alongside the
00:45:00 ◼ ► work that they're doing on the home pod of a screen and it also was previously reported a potential
00:45:05 ◼ ► smart home camera so this would kind of slot into that product lineup apple is considering also offering
00:45:12 ◼ ► a smart lock that would work with this doorbell to automatically open your door with a face scan
00:45:18 ◼ ► with a face scan so it would scan your face and basically face id like just open your door okay this
00:45:25 ◼ ► is an early stage product 2026 would be the earliest it could arrive and no matter what they end up
00:45:31 ◼ ► shipping this is basically like mark is saying the smart home is going to see an aggressive push from
00:45:37 ◼ ► apple all right so this is it's interesting because there are there are smart locks out there um so they
00:45:45 ◼ ► would be adding to an existing category a lot of smart lock technology is now moving to use ultra wideband
00:45:53 ◼ ► which allows automatic unlock um without requiring so like i used to have a smart lock that used bluetooth
00:46:00 ◼ ► and it was pretty unreliable and now i use one with nfc and so i can tap my apple watch to unlock my door
00:46:10 ◼ ► but the next phase of this and there were some announcements at ces about this is ultra wideband
00:46:15 ◼ ► where as you walk up to your door it unlocks because it knows it's you and that you're at your front door
00:46:20 ◼ ► and the reason you use ultra wideband for that is that ultra wideband knows where you are in 3d space
00:46:24 ◼ ► which means uh if you walk up to the the if somebody knocks on your door and you walk up to it from the
00:46:31 ◼ ► inside of your house it doesn't unlock the door because that would be bad uh because it knows you're
00:46:37 ◼ ► inside whereas like bluetooth proximity and stuff doesn't know that it only knows how close you are to the
00:46:42 ◼ ► door so it's good this is interesting because what he's saying is first off it's going to use face id
00:46:49 ◼ ► which that's a little bit weird it does mean that devices that aren't compatible with their with the
00:46:56 ◼ ► lock could use face id to authenticate and open the door i guess this feels very much like little pieces
00:47:03 ◼ ► of strategies that have not been coalesced into into products but i think it's interesting that apple seems
00:47:08 ◼ ► to be rifling through its its existing technology and categories in smart home to figure out what it might
00:47:15 ◼ ► do because that's a that's a step up from where they've been before and again it's like look apple
00:47:21 ◼ ► is a business that would like to make more money right that is essentially their function um and one and
00:47:29 ◼ ► they are struggling to make more money from customers wearables home accessories as a category had grew a
00:47:36 ◼ ► lot and now is basically flat imagine if you could sell every iphone customer five hundred dollars more
00:47:42 ◼ ► equipment from yeah cameras no it's smart i mean i think a lot of us have been saying they should have
00:47:47 ◼ ► done this five years ago but it's interesting we wanted them to do it five years ago because the
00:47:51 ◼ ► landscape has been rough you know like like it's right it's rough out there trying to get this stuff
00:47:56 ◼ ► to work together and and i am definitely a person who finds home kit to be good like if i can get products
00:48:03 ◼ ► that work with home kit i do find that to be a good system and trying to as much as i can find products
00:48:11 ◼ ► that tie into home kit i find it to be more reliable than anything else that i use right so and and
00:48:17 ◼ ► again there's also just the you know they get to stock their own stuff at the apple store and it's you
00:48:23 ◼ ► know it's perceived as premium and it works with apple stuff and it's even if there are competitors
00:48:27 ◼ ► out there that's okay apple just needs to be perceived as being well this is easier and i'll spend a little bit
00:48:32 ◼ ► more because this is easier they need to pick their spots right and that's why like the smart doorbell
00:48:38 ◼ ► kind of makes sense because it could integrate with your smart home and integrate with your devices
00:48:43 ◼ ► and could have like intercom support and it would show the camera and like i could see them doing that
00:48:49 ◼ ► smart lock it's like what do they do to differentiate it from every other lock that's out there and that's
00:48:53 ◼ ► that's why the considering word is very interesting because like maybe there's something apple could add
00:48:59 ◼ ► but like i don't know like it it i'm not sure apple has a lot to add to locks that it doesn't already
00:49:08 ◼ ► offer i mean i think it's easy to forget the smart doorbell is the most successful smart home product
00:49:16 ◼ ► the market is owned by ring essentially right like it's a point where a ring doorbell is almost like
00:49:24 ◼ ► a kleenex right like in that like that is what people think of people just want to get ring doorbells
00:49:29 ◼ ► because they they want a doorbell of a camera in it and so they just buy a ring doorbell
00:49:33 ◼ ► and ring offer a comprehensive suite of products so like i use the ring security system in my studio
00:49:43 ◼ ► it's very easy to set up and you can just buy a box that has a couple of cameras an alarm system
00:49:50 ◼ ► the alarm system has a cell connection that i and also a battery in it in case either power or internet
00:49:56 ◼ ► is lost and i have a bunch of motion sensors that you just buy this thing you set it all up
00:50:08 ◼ ► apple should want this i mean as we say apple should have done this years ago they should have
00:50:14 ◼ ► done years ago years ago and amazon has been on it and bought ring and bought euro and like they've
00:50:19 ◼ ► been on it and they tried to buy a robot which i wouldn't be surprised if they tried to do that again
00:50:23 ◼ ► now by the way like with a different administration um because that that makes so much sense for them
00:50:29 ◼ ► like i was actually i was personally bummed out and that didn't go through that's the other thing
00:50:33 ◼ ► there are there are competitors to i robot now where they could they could uh really argue that it's a
00:50:38 ◼ ► pretty competitive market yes yeah i just i don't believe there's a ring lock right they have partners
00:50:44 ◼ ► that they work with but i don't think there's a ring lock and that's that's why i think mark
00:50:49 ◼ ► german's report here is a little bit curious because it's like does it make sense but but he doesn't
00:50:55 ◼ ► phrase it as they're doing it he phrases it they're considering it and so i what i choose to take away
00:50:58 ◼ ► from this report is that apple is actively looking at its collection of technologies and places they could
00:51:05 ◼ ► be applied in smart home categories and it's trying to figure it out but i think you're right a doorbell
00:51:11 ◼ ► with a camera is a smart place for them as well as a security camera i think these are smart places for
00:51:19 ◼ ► apple to go early on in this process because not only are those good categories that sell pretty well
00:51:26 ◼ ► but imagine attention uh european regulators start listening stop listening i don't know i don't care
00:51:33 ◼ ► you can listen if you want but listen imagine the special sauce the secret sauce that apple would add
00:51:37 ◼ ► right like the the idea that uh apple would make it the best experience possible if you have an iphone
00:51:43 ◼ ► and somebody rings your doorbell like you literally your your iphone rings and you look at it and the
00:51:48 ◼ ► picture and the video is on it right like and i know that some of that's in home kit now but like
00:51:53 ◼ ► even if every doorbell got access to that feature because here's the other thing sometimes that does happen
00:52:00 ◼ ► what you want is not apple let me put it this way apple's more motivated to do the work in their
00:52:08 ◼ ► software on their devices to support an apple product that's coming out that's what motivates a
00:52:14 ◼ ► lot of stuff and prioritizes a lot of stuff so you end up like even if you use a ring doorbell or something
00:52:20 ◼ ► if apple makes a doorbell they're going to do all the stuff that amazon has been wishing that they would
00:52:25 ◼ ► do for the ring system for years and that apple's refused to do but they're finally going to do it
00:52:31 ◼ ► and they're going to do it because now they've got a doorbell and suddenly it matters to them doorbell
00:52:35 ◼ ► support on all apple devices suddenly really matters to them and so that could be good for the whole
00:52:39 ◼ ► the whole market but certainly for apple uh lika sunny dixon has shared some images of what appears to be
00:52:47 ◼ ► the iphone se4 uh the images show a black and white model i assume that these could also be midnight
00:52:56 ◼ ► and starlight and like you know it depends on the color of the anodization around the aluminum but yes
00:53:00 ◼ ► there is a single large camera uh maybe it's the 48 megapixel sensor that was previously rumored
00:53:06 ◼ ► uh this kind of like overall design has been corroborated by evan blast who's another leaker used to own
00:53:13 ◼ ► ev leaks or still does i don't even remember anymore but uh they shared some images that appear to be
00:53:18 ◼ ► more of what we'd expect to see on the apple store so they're kind of like rendery images
00:53:29 ◼ ► what i took away from this and i think some i saw some other people commenting on this on social media is
00:53:38 ◼ ► they could totally call this the iphone 16e if they wanted to yeah right because it looks like
00:53:44 ◼ ► an iphone 16 it does it's a slimmed down decontented iphone 16 with that thing they do on the glass where
00:53:52 ◼ ► they like they they kind of color the the glass in the two-tone way like it's got all of those little
00:53:58 ◼ ► touches it looks like a modern iphone like really looks like a modern iphone and i know i've heard
00:54:02 ◼ ► from people who said but why would they give it a number because they keep this thing around so long
00:54:07 ◼ ► like well they keep a lot of things around so long but also what if they didn't keep it around so long
00:54:15 ◼ ► i don't know we'll say i mean i i i am still of the i i am in the i don't think calling it a 16e is a
00:54:24 ◼ ► good thing to do unless they do what you're what you're suggesting that they do yeah that's i'm just
00:54:29 ◼ ► saying is that is that there's an assumption wrapped in the they won't do that because and you have to
00:54:34 ◼ ► question that assumption because it's possible that they've decided well i don't this se thing
00:54:40 ◼ ► what if we just made a part of the line and we kept it around for a couple of years but yeah the
00:54:43 ◼ ► other way to do it is just call it se it it floats out of time and is what it is but what's great about
00:54:49 ◼ ► this is that it's been a long time since the iphone 10 yeah and the se has been back and in the pre-time
00:54:56 ◼ ► the before iphone 10 time and it's essentially an iphone 8 and uh and now it won't be anymore and i
00:55:02 ◼ ► think that's great something i meant to mention uh there is a slight discrepancy between these two
00:55:08 ◼ ► images which is where the flash is placed so in what appears to be the photo the flash is on the right
00:55:14 ◼ ► side and the rumor the the render one the flash is underneath and the the render one does look more real
00:55:22 ◼ ► but they're they're coming at it from what appears to be pretty close proximity maybe we have
00:55:27 ◼ ► two different versions of what this phone could have looked like but they look similar enough
00:55:31 ◼ ► to at least give us an idea i do think the the evan blast ones make the most sense to me for what i
00:55:38 ◼ ► would imagine this phone to look like um but nevertheless also i think maybe what you're seeing here is the
00:55:44 ◼ ► limitations of the leaks information right where it's like they don't know where the flash is
00:55:48 ◼ ► so or one of them doesn't know where the flash is sometimes you just get the basic idea as opposed
00:55:55 ◼ ► to you get the shape you get the shape for because it's coming from for a case right i mean i can't
00:56:00 ◼ ► believe we're back there but yes right like for a case because the case people know they know i don't
00:56:06 ◼ ► know how they know but they know the switch rumors were all true you know like that all came from case
00:56:11 ◼ ► stuff and that was all basically 100 correct yeah um they these case companies they must pay so much
00:56:19 ◼ ► money like oh the espionage i genuinely believe these case companies they pay people kind of amounts
00:56:26 ◼ ► of money that these people could afford to get fired like i think that's kind of what's going on here
00:56:30 ◼ ► um yeah and again because the economies the economies are so messed up right like how much money a case
00:56:36 ◼ ► company could pay compared to what somebody's salary is once a year somebody uh wins the lottery which is
00:56:44 ◼ ► they get they get the money from the case company to leak the dimensions and then they're fired yep and
00:56:49 ◼ ► they take their money and they go to singapore yep or macau they go they go to macau and they put it all
00:56:56 ◼ ► down on a roulette on a roulette wheel i'm creating a whole thing where the whole thing they enter a shadowy
00:57:00 ◼ ► world of gamblers and outlaws i think you have just you've just outlined your next novel wow i think
00:57:07 ◼ ► you just did it the adventure of the iphone case leaker yeah i think you've just started out uh i have
00:57:13 ◼ ► more i have more uh that's wait wait wait wait wait wait wait i i just want to go with this for a
00:57:17 ◼ ► second okay i'm imagining a james bond movie where he's at like a high stakes table like a baccarat table or
00:57:22 ◼ ► something like that and and at the table with him is of course a a bond villain um right like a super
00:57:30 ◼ ► villain who's like created like a an array of satellites that are going to be used to control
00:57:35 ◼ ► uh lasers that control robots that can that are like gonna replace the leaders of the world let's say
00:57:45 ◼ ► human-like robots okay that person's at the table because they love a game of baccarat who doesn't who
00:57:51 ◼ ► does a completely impenetrable game that doesn't make any sense but also at the table is some guy
00:57:56 ◼ ► from a factory who uh leaked case specs and has decided to live the high life that guy that guy dies
00:58:05 ◼ ► oh no that's a shame sorry so is this one of those stories where we think we're following someone but
00:58:11 ◼ ► now we're following someone else that's right it's like well this case leaker seems really interesting oh
00:58:17 ◼ ► who's this british agent with a license to kill it turned out to be a james bond novel that you were
00:58:22 ◼ ► right it exactly wow look at that yeah incredible enjoy incredible stuff yeah mac rumors is reporting
00:58:30 ◼ ► that leaks coming from a weibo user by the name of digital chat station which is great say that the
00:58:35 ◼ ► cameras on the iphone 17 pro all three of them will have 48 megapixel sensors so the upgrade here is the
00:58:43 ◼ ► five times telephoto lens will go from 12 megapixels to 48 megapixels safe to say we could probably get
00:58:50 ◼ ► some improved image quality from yeah uh and also the iphone 17 pro will have an upgraded selfie camera
00:58:57 ◼ ► from 12 megapixels to 24 megapixels great well and keep in mind that 48 also means that you can bin at 24
00:59:03 ◼ ► and get higher quality that way which is really nice so there's a lot of different options you can
00:59:12 ◼ ► hmm could be like they could maybe go i'm not i would call it more but yeah but it's like how
00:59:20 ◼ ► the two times zoom is a bin version of the one x right now right because they do so maybe i don't
00:59:27 ◼ ► know maybe someone could tell maybe they could say it's a seven or eight times telephoto because they
00:59:32 ◼ ► could bin it i don't know if that would do it but maybe that'd be fun uh and chance miller at nine
00:59:38 ◼ ► to five mac has shared some leaked images also from weibo along with some of his own sourcing that gives
00:59:43 ◼ ► us a look at what could be the design of the back of the iphone 17 air these leaks show a supposed
00:59:51 ◼ ► images of the back case that feature a full width bar across the top housing the camera that yes looks just
00:59:59 ◼ ► like the google pixel from like the last few years here's what i don't understand all of the rumors
01:00:11 ◼ ► it's a good question like because we just saw what could be the iphone se where there's one camera and
01:00:19 ◼ ► it's just the one camera so so what is going on here that they would need this entire bar
01:00:26 ◼ ► for one camera um is it just is it like they're also shoving some other stuff up there to make the
01:00:34 ◼ ► phone super thin right like to some other components housed in that area like i find it peculiar to be
01:00:41 ◼ ► honest yeah i don't understand what we're seeing here but again we may not know what we're seeing
01:00:48 ◼ ► here right yes like exactly there may be who knows what's going on there that we are meant not to
01:00:54 ◼ ► understand i don't know what i would say though is i mean honestly as well it could just be aesthetic
01:01:00 ◼ ► right and it could be because then if you saw someone using that phone you know they have that new
01:01:11 ◼ ► and it could be establishing a new design language that could be used on folding phones in the future
01:01:18 ◼ ► or something like that which is what we believe this phone could be anyway totally could be and
01:01:22 ◼ ► whilst this isn't in rumor roundup i thought it would at least fit here samsung i i'm so glad that
01:01:27 ◼ ► you put this in here okay because i was about to say meanwhile meanwhile we've after all of our
01:01:33 ◼ ► discussion of a thin iphone coming what might samsung have introduced that well they have
01:01:40 ◼ ► spoken about and shown off the galaxy s25 edge which is expected to be coming to the market maybe this
01:01:49 ◼ ► year they're a bit cagey about it uh they should and they're at the unpacked event where they did have
01:01:56 ◼ ► the s25 line they had this um which is a supposedly based on rumors a 6.4 millimeter thin phone but
01:02:07 ◼ ► nobody was allowed to touch it and they didn't give specs uh so basically what it seems is samsung have
01:02:14 ◼ ► been working on this and they wanted people to see it before apple gets the 17 air out sure sure or i mean
01:02:21 ◼ ► we we don't know it's possible that they've had super thin phones in their lab for a while yes uh
01:02:26 ◼ ► and and nothing happened with them i think the most likely scenarios they're like they're tinkering with
01:02:31 ◼ ► it and then they hear oh apple's gonna do it and they're like well then we're gonna do it too right
01:02:35 ◼ ► like well because we know they can do it because they they know they can do it because they've had to
01:02:39 ◼ ► make phones this thin for the fold line yeah absolutely so but i i do think i'm just gonna put it out there
01:02:46 ◼ ► the reason this phone got put into what will probably be production is because of the rumors
01:02:53 ◼ ► that apple is doing it and samsung is just shameless about that right so they're like yeah
01:02:57 ◼ ► we got a thin phone sure yep got it here it is uh don't touch it here it is so um bless their hearts
01:03:04 ◼ ► like i would expect nothing less from samsung honestly samsung just keep keep being you i guess
01:03:13 ◼ ► oh i just want to say like they they also unveiled a headset right and and i'm seeing everyone online
01:03:19 ◼ ► being like ah copied the vision pro homework no it looks like the meta quest pro it doesn't look like
01:03:26 ◼ ► the vision pro if you if you like the only way it looks like the the vision pro is that the colors are
01:03:32 ◼ ► the same if you actually look at the design of that and the quest pro it looks way more like the quest pro
01:03:39 ◼ ► i know this because i am the fool who bought one right you have a quest pro yeah yeah just if you
01:03:44 ◼ ► if you're interested like you can go look at that um one of the things that i found that i thought was
01:03:50 ◼ ► about this like what how come all of these thin phones are maybe gonna be happening right there's
01:03:57 ◼ ► an mkbhd video that i watched a few weeks ago about a oneplus phone uh and one of the things that
01:04:02 ◼ ► my guys was talking about was this new battery technology that is enabling phones to get thinner
01:04:09 ◼ ► and also have really good battery life so this might be something which is now going to unlock these
01:04:16 ◼ ► thin phones i think it's called like it's like silicon something or something like that it's not super
01:04:21 ◼ ► important the technology but that even though these phones are getting really thin they are still having
01:04:29 ◼ ► excellent battery life because of this new battery technology so that i think 2025 i think it's going
01:04:35 ◼ ► to be the year of thin phones and and this oneplus phone kind of started that that's great and and the
01:04:41 ◼ ► truth is this is something we talk about with computers a lot which is even the m1 macbook air at walmart
01:04:47 ◼ ► is more computer than most people need it just is that's just the truth of it and that changes the dynamic
01:04:53 ◼ ► right it changes the dynamic of of who buys a computer what they buy and how long they hold it
01:04:59 ◼ ► because um you've got the the the technology is outstripped sort of like what people use this stuff
01:05:05 ◼ ► for i think that is also true of phones obviously like some people really care about cameras and some
01:05:11 ◼ ► people really care about the display and all of that but creating something that's an outlier in terms of
01:05:18 ◼ ► its size to make it thin and look different it's gonna be limited right it's gonna be limited
01:05:28 ◼ ► in terms of its functionality because it's the thin phone we know that the display is not going to be
01:05:33 ◼ ► as great in the camera there's only going to be one and all that but we've gotten to the point now where
01:05:38 ◼ ► i feel like you can differentiate like this and it's fine because i don't think anyone's gonna say oh i
01:05:44 ◼ ► really would like a thin phone but i can't do my work on a thin phone right they might say i want
01:05:49 ◼ ► the nicer camera or whatever right like i get it but that phone's going to be great and if that's the
01:05:55 ◼ ► phone you want you will get it and you will be happy with it and that's a nice kind of enabling
01:06:00 ◼ ► technology thing now especially if it its battery life isn't terrible right if its battery life is also
01:06:06 ◼ ► still pretty great and it's that thin that's amazing too so we you know that's the advantage of this
01:06:11 ◼ ► tech getting better is it's not just that the base tech becomes more powerful it means that the
01:06:16 ◼ ► outliers are still perfectly usable and that means your outliers get more interesting silicon carbon
01:06:23 ◼ ► that's the battery technology love it those are those are elements yep those are together and what do you
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01:07:45 ◼ ► let's finish out with some ask upgrade questions and today's show patrick says with apple doubling down
01:07:54 ◼ ► on health and fitness particularly with the apple watch and maybe new health devices where do you see apple
01:08:00 ◼ ► fitness plus heading in the next few years could we see deeper integrations with third-party equipment
01:08:05 ◼ ► or more personalized coaching features leveraging a leveraging ai and health data what do you think
01:08:11 ◼ ► oh um i i it's a great place for there to be more i i fitness plus is still pretty limited in that it's
01:08:20 ◼ ► you know classes is what they're doing and and those classes are good i've done them lauren does them i keep
01:08:27 ◼ ► thinking that there are other ways to motivate and gamify fitness that fitness plus could probably do
01:08:38 ◼ ► that it doesn't do and i don't i don't know i mean their gamification is essentially that heart rate bar
01:08:44 ◼ ► you know the effort bar that shows where you are among people who do it i don't even know if it's made up
01:08:50 ◼ ► i don't but i keep thinking like that's one of the one of the secret sauce things about peloton was
01:08:55 ◼ ► you're i mean not only are there live things but also like they've gamified it where you can sort
01:09:00 ◼ ► of see where you are in the group i like the idea of of doing other fitness stuff where you're comparing
01:09:08 ◼ ► it to your friends and challenging your friends they've got some challenges for for um activity but
01:09:14 ◼ ► like it would be interesting to see other things where it's like you're doing the same workout as your
01:09:19 ◼ ► friends and you know you're uh you know you're sharing your progress and comparing it to them
01:09:27 ◼ ► and there's like because people do react to that i don't know more content is always good i don't know
01:09:32 ◼ ► i i think there's opportunities for their them to innovate and we talked about the whole ai uh coach
01:09:37 ◼ ► thing you'd integrate that too i think yeah so one of the things that apple recently did uh was a
01:09:44 ◼ ► partnership with strava so they're offering a fitness plus trial to strava users but they're
01:09:52 ◼ ► also using what's called strava athletes in fitness plus content so these are people that are because
01:09:58 ◼ ► strava is also kind of like a social network like you can follow athletes and see what their workouts
01:10:04 ◼ ► are and so now popular strava strava athletes that's hard to say will be featured in fitness plus content
01:10:12 ◼ ► and this is something i imagine they're doing just peeled on the fitness plus side finding popular fitness
01:10:18 ◼ ► content creators and bringing them in and giving them classes and like this and then they can offer fitness
01:10:24 ◼ ► plus trials to their audience for example or working with other companies like this because this enables
01:10:30 ◼ ► them to kind of it's the peloton thing again as you were mentioning right like not that one of peloton's other things
01:10:37 ◼ ► is that people like certain instructors and like follow them on social media and they want to
01:10:51 ◼ ► seeing people excited that someone they were following on instagram was an instructor so like apple went out and
01:10:57 ◼ ► found people that were already content creators in fitness and hired them to be instructors and i think
01:11:05 ◼ ► that that is a very smart way of bringing people to the service because you're finding people already
01:11:12 ◼ ► engaging who already have an audience and bringing them in and i can imagine doing a lot more of that too
01:11:17 ◼ ► personalities are huge i didn't understand it i know that people talked about like oh the peloton coaches
01:11:25 ◼ ► on fitness plus and she knows the different instructors and like their styles and what they
01:11:31 ◼ ► do and she was saying to me the other day she said that is the hardest pilates workout i've ever had
01:11:35 ◼ ► and she said well you know the instructor is the guy who always makes it hard and i thought
01:11:42 ◼ ► because of the way he does pilates and i made that connection with when i was using it for for bike workouts
01:11:49 ◼ ► which i'm not anymore i i can go i have a a dog i have to walk every day and like so i'm not i'm not
01:11:54 ◼ ► using the bike uh and fitness plus anymore i'm i'm i'm fortunate to live in a place where i almost never
01:12:00 ◼ ► can't go outside to exercise so but um the the bike people i gravitated towards specific instructors as
01:12:08 ◼ ► well i'm like oh yeah what else does kim have for me or whatever and like it was it is powerful so the
01:12:14 ◼ ► the more personality based stuff the more that you can bring in people who people recognize or
01:12:21 ◼ ► andrew wrote in and said recent rumors are saying apple will finally put a 120 hertz refresh rate
01:12:28 ◼ ► screen on the non-pro iphone 7 teen but i can't shake this feeling that apple in 2025 won't go that
01:12:35 ◼ ► high and will cap non-pro phones at 90 hertz mark german's recent report that apple is looking to
01:12:41 ◼ ► raise the refresh rates on imax and the ipad air to 90 hertz makes me feel even more certain about this
01:12:46 ◼ ► with apple keeping pro motion exclusive to pro level devices what is your guys take on the future of this
01:12:52 ◼ ► will 120 hertz come to other phones or will 90 hertz be the new 60 so i'll start off by saying i think
01:13:03 ◼ ► thing that we had from an anonymous source that made its way out onto many parts of the internet this is
01:13:09 ◼ ► back in november uh where we had someone who i feel pretty confident in who's given us some stuff in the
01:13:15 ◼ ► past right in to say that apple is working on a higher rate higher refresh rate lcd display with a new
01:13:22 ◼ ► panel that's fixed at 90 hertz and it would be um used in the but in a next generation imac and studio
01:13:30 ◼ ► display and that we also you know we could see that maybe being something used for the phones but some
01:13:37 ◼ ► people were saying that there would be higher refresh rate promotion on other phones my feeling on this
01:13:42 ◼ ► is that 90 hertz will be the standard for non-pro devices and that pro devices will get 120 that's what
01:13:48 ◼ ► i think yeah i think you're probably right keep in mind that when you increase the refresh rate it's
01:13:53 ◼ ► not just the uh display it's also the graphics processor because they have to generate more
01:13:58 ◼ ► frames and i think it takes a battery hit too and absolutely it does because that it's generating a
01:14:04 ◼ ► lot of it's drawing more and it's generating more frames so i think 90 that sounds to me like it's the
01:14:10 ◼ ► display equivalent of apple increasing the ram the base ram of a laptop it's apple saying okay we want
01:14:18 ◼ ► this to be higher than it is we've left this for a while now what do we do because we want to have
01:14:25 ◼ ► our margins on our low-end products but we wanted to it's probably too low and we probably should have
01:14:30 ◼ ► done it years ago but we saved it because of margins and that that's what gets you to 90 is that's the
01:14:35 ◼ ► that's the it's better everybody feels better about it but it's not quite the same as the pro motion
01:14:43 ◼ ► you know they'll give it another name some other weird name smooth motion um and and yeah it sounds
01:14:48 ◼ ► really realistic to me it will probably just be part of the specs of the this current generation
01:14:55 ◼ ► yeah look we increase the refresh rate on the display yeah and and that would just be the end
01:15:06 ◼ ► 60 hertz is wild to still be doing on a on a phone that is the price the way the iphone is
01:15:11 ◼ ► tom wrote in the say do you use dictation in your daily workflows if so how and i actually wanted to
01:15:19 ◼ ► ask a secondary question to this which is have you ever tried dictation as a way to write
01:15:24 ◼ ► oh i have i struggle with it i know people who've done this david poge um book author and former new
01:15:31 ◼ ► new york times got from way back david poge has horrible rsi and everything he wrote was dictated
01:15:37 ◼ ► with um dragon that's what david sparks uses like david sparks he well i don't know if he still uses
01:15:43 ◼ ► it because i know he's been pretty happy with what apple's been doing recently too but i know that sparky
01:15:47 ◼ ► is a big dictation guy too yeah so poge would literally when he was writing features for mac world
01:15:53 ◼ ► for me poge would literally have a pc running dragon because the pc version was the only one available and
01:16:00 ◼ ► for a while it was the only good one and he would literally use it to dictate while he was using his mac
01:16:05 ◼ ► to you know write books about the mac or write feature articles for mac world about the mac he would
01:16:10 ◼ ► dictate it into a pc um i never really understood it i've tried it first off as everybody is tired of
01:16:17 ◼ ► hearing me say i type real fast so that's one of my advantages is my brain kind of goes and my fingers
01:16:23 ◼ ► go and words come out which has been really good for me career wise to have that little
01:16:29 ◼ ► like you know you go from the brain to the fingers to the letters on the screen it's pretty
01:16:33 ◼ ► good pretty good um it's funny that this came up though because i uh on david sparks recommendation
01:16:41 ◼ ► i have been playing around with an app called super whisper and super whisper on its surface is yet
01:16:48 ◼ ► another whisper interface whisper is the text to speech thing right like there's mac whisper and all that
01:16:54 ◼ ► and you're like okay i mean how many of these i i build i build a version of whisper uh from the code
01:17:00 ◼ ► from the source that's a c plus plus version and put it in a shortcut i actually do that and it's really
01:17:05 ◼ ► fast um but super whisper is more than that though because the the developer of super whisper has layered
01:17:11 ◼ ► multiple things on top of whisper so he uses whisper to do the text to speech and you can choose your
01:17:16 ◼ ► different or speech to text he uses different versions of it that will take your narration your
01:17:20 ◼ ► dictation and will turn into something and then he built a context layer on top of it that based on
01:17:26 ◼ ► where you are um it will put your whisper output through an llm to clean it up and you can choose
01:17:33 ◼ ► that llm you can have you know various uh i think it's mostly chat gpt with custom prompts if you
01:17:39 ◼ ► want to plus he's baked in some prompts so you can like have a prompt like sparky was writing about this
01:17:45 ◼ ► like you know you have a prompt that tells it what you want your emails to be like it always activates
01:17:51 ◼ ► when you're in your email program and you use the same hotkey but it knows you're in your email
01:17:56 ◼ ► and so the the post processing llm rewrites your email based on that kind of messy whisper transcription
01:18:05 ◼ ► in the context of an email and if you're in a different app it can it can rewrite it in a
01:18:10 ◼ ► different context i think this is really smart and it makes it it takes it above what a a general
01:18:16 ◼ ► a general kind of like whisper port put a mac interface around it would do because he's trying
01:18:21 ◼ ► to make it a productivity utility it's a really interesting idea and i tried it and i would say
01:18:38 ◼ ► and you know i ended up sitting at my desk hunched over the keyboard with my eyes closed kind of like
01:18:45 ◼ ► saying things but i wanted to try it it was okay it was okay and the output was pretty good
01:18:52 ◼ ► from super whisper although it every time i stopped it appended a sentence at the very end that i didn't
01:18:58 ◼ ► say and that was hilarious and wrong every time what do you mean like what it well because the llm's um
01:19:05 ◼ ► whisper especially if there's silence whisper sometimes just hallucinates things oh and then
01:19:10 ◼ ► the hallucination gets passed onto the chat gpt that rewrites it into a sentence and it will continue
01:19:15 ◼ ► the thought that was my last thought in a way that's bizarre and that's incredible it's it's
01:19:21 ◼ ► amazing and sparky's talked about how he says like don't don't write a sign off for the email do not
01:19:26 ◼ ► write the sign off for the email i have a signature file don't do it and he says it still does it like
01:19:30 ◼ ► some of the time it still does it because these are llms however however i will say it's kind of like
01:19:36 ◼ ► me actually i think i do that a lot like just me as a human like i just say an extra sentence that
01:19:41 ◼ ► maybe i shouldn't have said i do that yeah yeah okay well you're you the llms are getting better all
01:19:46 ◼ ► the time so um i did that and it was pretty good in that it basically got what i said right and it was
01:19:54 ◼ ► written in a style that was way better than what mac what like whisper generally would do it did a better
01:20:01 ◼ ► job so that's really interesting um the truth is i mean could i if if i couldn't type anymore
01:20:09 ◼ ► i could use it and probably do my job like david poke i could do that yeah but i went back through
01:20:18 ◼ ► the stuff that i dictated and basically edited it which is this is the thing about writing versus talking
01:20:25 ◼ ► for dear upgrade listeners you get to hear us talk and we're just thinking as we go we don't have a script
01:20:31 ◼ ► we've got some notes but we don't have a script we just talk when i write something that you see on six
01:20:37 ◼ ► colors or mac world or wherever it's one layer of processing beyond the talking and i got to witness that
01:20:46 ◼ ► because i i just was like so i get this thing and my daughter's room is heated and my garage isn't
01:20:52 ◼ ► and i kind of like dictated the whole thing and then i went through it and i was like oh no no we're
01:20:56 ◼ ► gonna add like this is gonna be you know i get to my point here faster and i'm gonna make this joke
01:21:00 ◼ ► here and i'm gonna put a footnote here and all that and and that's that extra level where i write a
01:21:07 ◼ ► sentence and then i think and i back up and all that and you don't do that when you're talking so i found
01:21:12 ◼ ► it interesting i might do it again it might be a good as a like a brain change of pace when i've
01:21:19 ◼ ► like this happens a lot where i'm like walking the dog or i'm taking a shower or something and
01:21:24 ◼ ► i start thinking of a story i could write and i i'm thinking what it is and i think there's something
01:21:29 ◼ ► to be said for just getting that thing that i've thought through out and then turning it into something
01:21:34 ◼ ► that i would write but getting that first kind of monologue out and then writing it from there
01:21:40 ◼ ► so yeah i could see using this i'm not going to use it every day because i do type fast and and it
01:21:46 ◼ ► gives me precision over what i write that i don't otherwise have but if if i've got that thing like
01:21:54 ◼ ► literally i will sometimes sit in the shower and i'll be listening to a podcast i'll be listening
01:21:58 ◼ ► connected or atp or something like that now i'll hear something and it will send me off in a direction
01:22:03 ◼ ► of like oh that would be an interesting story to write and i will start writing it in my head and
01:22:07 ◼ ► like well i'm in the shower like where's that going right now and i could see the value not
01:22:11 ◼ ► necessarily even doing it in the shower but when i get out of of retelling that story that i just told
01:22:17 ◼ ► myself so i could get it down as a starting point um and then make the words better but um so so i'm
01:22:26 ◼ ► interested in this i feel like this technology is getting a lot better but what it doesn't do is
01:22:32 ◼ ► provide that extra layer that's seeing your words and then fixing them that's another part of writing
01:22:39 ◼ ► for me that it it can't do it can't do uh something that i use dictation for is not too dissimilar to
01:22:47 ◼ ► what you were just talking about so something i have to do relatively frequently is to try and
01:22:54 ◼ ► come up with marketing copy for something right so like this is especially for my product work
01:22:59 ◼ ► where i'm trying to describe what a product is like to use and the easiest way for me to do that
01:23:09 ◼ ► is to have the product in my hands and talk aloud and just talk about what it is like to use the thing
01:23:16 ◼ ► that i'm using like why is it good what can you do with it and so i will just like open up notion just
01:23:22 ◼ ► turn on uh ios dictation and just start talking and i like that so you just i'm just kind of getting
01:23:28 ◼ ► my thoughts out and i'm not really editing them at that point like it's just getting it all out there
01:23:32 ◼ ► and then i can go in and refine it so i do that um i also i have been finding recently that usually if
01:23:39 ◼ ► i want to search something on chat gpt i just dictate it because chat gpt's build dictation is
01:23:44 ◼ ► incredibly good incredibly good incredibly good obviously right like well i mean it's i imagine
01:23:50 ◼ ► it's whisper that's doing the back-end work there because whisper is an open ai thing yeah yeah it's
01:23:56 ◼ ► it's very very good so like it's the fastest way for me to search things with chat gpt because usually
01:24:01 ◼ ► it's a very colloquial search which is what i'm doing um and so i will more often than not find myself
01:24:07 ◼ ► doing that and this isn't the like where you're having a conversation with it this is just like on
01:24:12 ◼ ► next to the search box you can just press a microphone just speak and then it just dictates
01:24:17 ◼ ► it so i do that too if you would like to dictate some feedback follow-up or questions for us go to
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