Connected

00:00:00 ◼   ► Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 542. It's a big one today. I'd like to thank our sponsors for making it possible, Squarespace, FitBot, and ZocDoc. My name is Stephen Hackett. I'm joined by my annual chairman, Mr. Federico Faticci.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen Hackett. How are you?

00:00:27 ◼   ► I'm good. How are you?

00:00:28 ◼   ► I'm good. Big, chunky episode today.

00:00:32 ◼   ► I know.

00:00:32 ◼   ► Chunky. I like it. Okay. I believe we have some follow-up from a listener, Mike Hurley.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Yeah, that's how I would pronounce it.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Yeah, right?

00:00:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Mike says, Stephen and Mary are so sweet together. Always love hearing their relationship on the show.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Oh, thank you, Mike. It's nice.

00:00:55 ◼   ► You are sweet together. Mike is right.

00:00:58 ◼   ► Yeah, pretty good. We've been together a long time, you know? It's good.

00:01:01 ◼   ► How many years, Stephen?

00:01:04 ◼   ► We started dating 23 years ago.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Nice.

00:01:09 ◼   ► And we've been married this summer. We'll be 18 years.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Thank you, Mike.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Thank you, Mike, for the follow-up.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Thank you, Mike.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Thank you, Mike.

00:01:16 ◼   ► A little follow-out.

00:01:19 ◼   ► I wanted to point people to the most recent episode of App Stories.

00:01:25 ◼   ► App Stories is always good. I never skip an episode.

00:01:29 ◼   ► But this one was absolutely fantastic called The Missing Middle.

00:01:33 ◼   ► Give me the pitch for this episode because I think it's super smart.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Yeah. So, John has been thinking about this for quite some time, actually.

00:01:41 ◼   ► It was basically this idea of what happened to the consumer market.

00:01:47 ◼   ► Like, what happened to these apps built not for individuals, but not for corporations or large businesses either?

00:01:55 ◼   ► Like, what happened there?

00:01:56 ◼   ► And why is it that it seems like these days apps are either made for individual users or you must be part of a team?

00:02:05 ◼   ► So, that was the pitch.

00:02:08 ◼   ► We tried to analyze, like, what's going on here?

00:02:12 ◼   ► What role do subscriptions play here?

00:02:15 ◼   ► How are companies now charging for these AI-based extras?

00:02:21 ◼   ► Like, all of these things.

00:02:22 ◼   ► So, yeah, that was sort of the angle that John wanted to talk about on the show.

00:02:28 ◼   ► And I think it came out pretty well.

00:02:30 ◼   ► So, thank you.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Yeah, it did.

00:02:33 ◼   ► Y'all were talking about, like, why is there an AI-work for teams?

00:02:35 ◼   ► And I texted you that it would be called WeWork.

00:02:38 ◼   ► And then no one replied.

00:02:40 ◼   ► No, that was very good.

00:02:43 ◼   ► I just, I quietly accepted that joke.

00:02:47 ◼   ► Yes.

00:02:48 ◼   ► I got left on red, as the kids say, you know?

00:02:51 ◼   ► Yes.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Oh, man.

00:02:54 ◼   ► Hey, there's merch.

00:02:56 ◼   ► We have merch.

00:02:58 ◼   ► People are buying the merch.

00:03:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:01 ◼   ► Which is good to see.

00:03:02 ◼   ► And we also have some follow-up, some listener feedback about the merch.

00:03:08 ◼   ► We do.

00:03:09 ◼   ► Tom from Finland wrote in.

00:03:11 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:12 ◼   ► That's cool.

00:03:13 ◼   ► Love the merch pitch in the latest episode.

00:03:15 ◼   ► Federico made a compelling case that we should buy multiple shirts to keep Mike alive and able

00:03:20 ◼   ► to consume.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

00:03:23 ◼   ► He really got into some.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Wow.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Tom really went for it.

00:03:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:27 ◼   ► I'm not even going to read that part, but he makes fun of what British people eat, which

00:03:30 ◼   ► is not great.

00:03:30 ◼   ► However, you did not actually tell your listeners where we can buy said merch.

00:03:35 ◼   ► Sure, there was a link in the show notes, but you don't really expect anybody to read

00:03:39 ◼   ► the show notes, do you?

00:03:39 ◼   ► Wow.

00:03:40 ◼   ► This is good feedback.

00:03:42 ◼   ► Tom, I spend a lot of time on the show notes.

00:03:44 ◼   ► I wish you would read them, but I did buy a domain, connectedmerch.co.uk.

00:03:50 ◼   ► Go there.

00:03:53 ◼   ► It will forward to our Cotton Bureau store where we have six shirts available pre-order.

00:03:59 ◼   ► Technology should be colorful.

00:04:01 ◼   ► Gumdrops, Take a Test Flight, Return to the Tiny, Tiny Heads Special Edition, and Organic

00:04:07 ◼   ► Mega Pickles, which is currently the best seller.

00:04:11 ◼   ► Obviously, there are multiple international variations of this domain, right?

00:04:18 ◼   ► I just bought the one.

00:04:20 ◼   ► Oh, you just bought.

00:04:21 ◼   ► Didn't we have connectedmerch.com before?

00:04:24 ◼   ► I think it, let's see, the .com.

00:04:26 ◼   ► That one doesn't seem to do anything.

00:04:29 ◼   ► Maybe we let that one go.

00:04:30 ◼   ► Oh, no, it did.

00:04:31 ◼   ► It did redirect.

00:04:31 ◼   ► It took a second.

00:04:32 ◼   ► Yes.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Okay.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Because I remember we had, so now we have multiple versions of this domain.

00:04:38 ◼   ► Cool.

00:04:38 ◼   ► Great.

00:04:40 ◼   ► Obviously, the .co.uk is the best one, given our absentee host.

00:04:47 ◼   ► That's right.

00:04:47 ◼   ► From the UK.

00:04:48 ◼   ► So, yeah.

00:04:49 ◼   ► Stephen, how long do people have to buy this merch before it's gone forever?

00:04:56 ◼   ► And I do think it's forever because the absentee host won't let us do this again.

00:05:01 ◼   ► No, he won't.

00:05:02 ◼   ► March 14th.

00:05:04 ◼   ► So, just the end of next week.

00:05:07 ◼   ► So, get on it.

00:05:07 ◼   ► Nine days.

00:05:08 ◼   ► Nine days.

00:05:09 ◼   ► Think of all the things you could possibly do in nine days.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Make a plan.

00:05:14 ◼   ► One of those days has to be you sitting down, entering your credit card information, and buying

00:05:20 ◼   ► some of the merch to make sure that Mike can still buy some food from, have we established

00:05:26 ◼   ► the name of the supermarket chain in the UK?

00:05:29 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:05:32 ◼   ► I said Tesco.

00:05:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:34 ◼   ► I guess it's not Tesco.

00:05:35 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:05:36 ◼   ► But I'm thinking, Tesco.

00:05:38 ◼   ► Are we sure it's not Tesco?

00:05:41 ◼   ► Look, it is a supermarket.

00:05:42 ◼   ► Oh, there we go.

00:05:43 ◼   ► Sainsbury's, Asada.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Kate is putting a lot of them.

00:05:48 ◼   ► Tesco.

00:05:49 ◼   ► I knew.

00:05:49 ◼   ► You told me it was a gas station.

00:05:51 ◼   ► I thought it was a gas station.

00:05:53 ◼   ► Morrison's, excuse me, petrol station.

00:05:56 ◼   ► We can't do this.

00:05:57 ◼   ► We can't.

00:05:58 ◼   ► A petrol.

00:05:58 ◼   ► The more we do this, the stronger Casey List gets.

00:06:01 ◼   ► And we can't, we can't do that.

00:06:03 ◼   ► Okay?

00:06:04 ◼   ► Can't, can't do that.

00:06:06 ◼   ► But yes, ConnectedMerch.com or ConnectedMerch.co.uk or the link in the show notes.

00:06:12 ◼   ► March 14th.

00:06:14 ◼   ► Buy some shirts.

00:06:15 ◼   ► I bought some shirts from my family.

00:06:16 ◼   ► My kids wanted some shirts.

00:06:18 ◼   ► Which made me feel pretty cool.

00:06:20 ◼   ► I still got to purchase mine.

00:06:21 ◼   ► I think I'm going to go with one of everything.

00:06:24 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:06:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:26 ◼   ► You can wear one Connected shirt each day of the week.

00:06:30 ◼   ► And then on Sunday, you know, it's a day of rest.

00:06:33 ◼   ► On Sunday, I wear nothing.

00:06:35 ◼   ► Oh.

00:06:36 ◼   ► That's what God intended, you know?

00:06:39 ◼   ► Hey, you want to come over for dinner Sunday?

00:06:44 ◼   ► No.

00:06:44 ◼   ► No, you don't.

00:06:45 ◼   ► Well, I mean, unless.

00:06:47 ◼   ► No, no, no.

00:06:48 ◼   ► Don't.

00:06:49 ◼   ► Can't, can't go there.

00:06:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:51 ◼   ► Okay.

00:06:52 ◼   ► Organic Mega Pickles.

00:06:54 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:56 ◼   ► It's really good, right?

00:06:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:57 ◼   ► It's very good.

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00:09:26 ◼   ► Steven, we have new iPads.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Yeah, two.

00:09:30 ◼   ► One press release.

00:09:31 ◼   ► Two of them.

00:09:31 ◼   ► But two iPads.

00:09:32 ◼   ► Well, actually three of them when you consider how one of them has two sizes.

00:09:37 ◼   ► Hang on, hang on.

00:09:40 ◼   ► Does that count as two iPads?

00:09:41 ◼   ► Well, in the physical sense, it does.

00:09:49 ◼   ► But yeah, it's two new iPads.

00:09:51 ◼   ► It's the new base model iPad and the new iPad Air, which we'll get to the specs.

00:09:57 ◼   ► We'll talk about this just as a quick parenthesis.

00:09:59 ◼   ► I saw somebody on Mastodon post a picture of a quote-unquote fixed iPad lineup from a branding

00:10:10 ◼   ► perspective.

00:10:11 ◼   ► And they did something that I think is very fascinating.

00:10:14 ◼   ► They renamed the iPad Air to just iPad and the iPad to iPad SE.

00:10:20 ◼   ► And I cannot stop thinking about how much better that lineup looks from a pure marketing perspective.

00:10:27 ◼   ► Something worth thinking about.

00:10:30 ◼   ► It's like the laptops, which we're going to get to in the next segment, because there's also

00:10:34 ◼   ► new Macs.

00:10:35 ◼   ► But Air is kind of the default, which doesn't make any sense.

00:10:41 ◼   ► It's like Apple stumbled into the Air branding being beloved, and now they're stuck with

00:10:46 ◼   ► it forever.

00:10:46 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:10:47 ◼   ► Like they tried to kill the MacBook Air and they couldn't.

00:10:49 ◼   ► True, true, true.

00:10:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:51 ◼   ► So iPad Air, we have the M3 chip, which is a...

00:10:58 ◼   ► So first of all, this iPad Air is coming how many?

00:11:04 ◼   ► 120-something days after the latest iPad Air with the M2.

00:11:09 ◼   ► So that iPad Air with the M2, I mean, you're the historian, Stephen, has to be one of, one

00:11:15 ◼   ► amongst the most short-lived products in Apple history, right?

00:11:20 ◼   ► It is the second shortest-lived iPad after the ill-fated iPad 3.

00:11:30 ◼   ► Remember that first Retina 1 that was not super great?

00:11:34 ◼   ► I had that iPad.

00:11:36 ◼   ► I did too.

00:11:36 ◼   ► It got really hot.

00:11:38 ◼   ► Yeah, as it did.

00:11:39 ◼   ► I was rereading my review of it, and I was like, oh, this doesn't hold up at all.

00:11:43 ◼   ► Yeah, so the M3, not the last time we're going to talk about the M3 today, but the M3 is a

00:11:52 ◼   ► bit of an unusual chip.

00:11:54 ◼   ► If the reporting is to be believed, it was built on kind of a dead-end process by TSMC, and reporting

00:12:03 ◼   ► says that means it's kind of expensive to make.

00:12:06 ◼   ► Like, I thought, I think a lot of people thought, that Apple was going to move off the M3 basically

00:12:12 ◼   ► as quickly as they could, and then in the last 24 hours, they've put in a bunch of stuff.

00:12:19 ◼   ► So it is updated with the M3.

00:12:22 ◼   ► That does give the iPad Pro, you know, the only iPad with the M4, although there's lots of

00:12:27 ◼   ► other features, obviously, that separate the iPad Pro from the Air.

00:12:30 ◼   ► I think mostly the screen, but yeah, the M3 in both the 11 and 13-inch, which the prices

00:12:40 ◼   ► are the same, right?

00:12:41 ◼   ► $599 and $799 starting prices.

00:12:44 ◼   ► But yeah, M3.

00:12:46 ◼   ► Same colors, right?

00:12:48 ◼   ► Blue, purple, starlight, space gray.

00:12:50 ◼   ► There's an updated keyboard, which is, it's basically the same keyboard as the iPad Pro, right?

00:12:56 ◼   ► Yeah, it's very similar.

00:12:58 ◼   ► It's very similar, USB-C charging, all available in white, function row with 14 keys, backwards

00:13:05 ◼   ► compatible with the other iPad Airs, with the M2.

00:13:10 ◼   ► Also compatible with the old iPad Air, if I'm not mistaken.

00:13:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:17 ◼   ► All the way back to the fourth gen iPad Air.

00:13:22 ◼   ► There's a side conversation here to be had about names when we get to the base iPad.

00:13:27 ◼   ► But this new keyboard goes all the way back to the fourth generation iPad Air, like I said,

00:13:34 ◼   ► that was released in October of 2020.

00:13:36 ◼   ► And so they've made this thing backwards compatible, which is pretty sweet.

00:13:42 ◼   ► Which is nice.

00:13:43 ◼   ► Which is nice.

00:13:44 ◼   ► Yeah, it's good.

00:13:45 ◼   ► You have or have had the white iPad keyboard, is that correct?

00:13:50 ◼   ► I am looking at it right now.

00:13:52 ◼   ► How is that holding up?

00:13:53 ◼   ► Because people are like, oh, the white's going to be pretty good.

00:13:55 ◼   ► Well, most people are dirty.

00:13:57 ◼   ► That's the problem.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Like, if you take care of washing your hands frequently during the day, making sure that

00:14:03 ◼   ► you don't leave any skinned oil or grease or any other substance on your keyboard, like

00:14:09 ◼   ► it's going to be fine.

00:14:10 ◼   ► You know, just take care of your hands and keep washing your hands, even if you don't think

00:14:15 ◼   ► COVID is a concern anymore.

00:14:17 ◼   ► I think it's fine.

00:14:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know what to say.

00:14:23 ◼   ► I think I, it's not like even I take particularly good care of my keyboard.

00:14:28 ◼   ► I just, you know.

00:14:31 ◼   ► I mean, you've cut laptops in half, you know?

00:14:34 ◼   ► You're that guy.

00:14:35 ◼   ► But still, they were very clean, even in half, you know?

00:14:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:39 ◼   ► I wish we had some sort of indication of how the 11-inch versus the 13-inch sells.

00:14:50 ◼   ► To me, 11-inch is like the classic iPad size.

00:14:55 ◼   ► You know, it was 9.7 inches forever.

00:14:56 ◼   ► And then we had that one, I think one or two, like 10.5-inch iPads.

00:15:02 ◼   ► But 11 has kind of been the size, I feel like, for a while.

00:15:06 ◼   ► And I just, I wonder how the big one sells.

00:15:11 ◼   ► Like, with the iPad Pro, I get it.

00:15:12 ◼   ► Like, if you are using it as your only computer or your main computer, you want the biggest

00:15:17 ◼   ► screen you can have.

00:15:18 ◼   ► But the 13-inch Air has always seemed a little bit sort of out of step with that.

00:15:23 ◼   ► I would love to know what the breakdown is between those two.

00:15:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:15:27 ◼   ► I am mostly interested in, like, big picture.

00:15:33 ◼   ► why this iPad Air after last year's iPad Air?

00:15:38 ◼   ► Like, why the need to refresh it after less than 12 months, in fact?

00:15:45 ◼   ► Because it was, that iPad Air was announced in May last year when I flew to London alongside

00:15:52 ◼   ► the iPad Pro.

00:15:53 ◼   ► So it's, what, nine months or so, right?

00:15:57 ◼   ► I guess they just wanted to move to the M3, even though the M3, according to all the reports,

00:16:02 ◼   ► was a dead-end process.

00:16:03 ◼   ► I just, I find this update really odd, personally.

00:16:08 ◼   ► Well, combined with the Mac news, it means that the M2, like, the base M2 is retired now.

00:16:16 ◼   ► You can still get a...

00:16:17 ◼   ► So maybe that's why.

00:16:18 ◼   ► So maybe that's why.

00:16:19 ◼   ► Maybe, is that, yeah.

00:16:20 ◼   ► So maybe, maybe that's what's going on.

00:16:22 ◼   ► Because the Mac Pro, like, is only right at the high-end, uh, M2, M2 Ultra.

00:16:27 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe it's just a simplification.

00:16:30 ◼   ► I get why they didn't step all the way up to the M4, but it is, uh, it is definitely a

00:16:37 ◼   ► little bit, a little bit confusing.

00:16:38 ◼   ► It's not the most confusing chip news we have to talk about today, right?

00:16:42 ◼   ► Like, there's more of that coming.

00:16:44 ◼   ► But yeah, I think if you have, like, uh, you know, uh, an older iPad Air and you, like,

00:16:50 ◼   ► you like that size, right?

00:16:51 ◼   ► The, the fourth generation, the A14 Bionic, you know, this thing is going to blow that

00:16:56 ◼   ► thing out of the water.

00:16:57 ◼   ► It's even going to be a lot faster than the M1, but I don't think that's a worthy upgrade.

00:17:02 ◼   ► But if you have an older one, you know, this seems like a great, uh, great time to jump

00:17:06 ◼   ► on board.

00:17:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:07 ◼   ► Uh, the base model iPad updated with the A16 chip.

00:17:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:14 ◼   ► Now the A16, remind me, are we now on the A18?

00:17:19 ◼   ► We are.

00:17:20 ◼   ► Okay.

00:17:21 ◼   ► So this is from two years ago.

00:17:22 ◼   ► Uh, so this is from the iPhone 14?

00:17:25 ◼   ► Yes.

00:17:27 ◼   ► Yes.

00:17:28 ◼   ► Okay.

00:17:28 ◼   ► So the base model iPad running the, uh, that family of chips from the iPhone 14 from two

00:17:35 ◼   ► years ago starts at $349 with, uh, 128 gigs of storage.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Which is twice as much as before, which is great.

00:17:44 ◼   ► Twice as much as before, which is nice.

00:17:45 ◼   ► Good starting price, good storage size.

00:17:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:48 ◼   ► However, however, no Apple intelligence.

00:17:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:52 ◼   ► Which is, this is the thing that sticks out to me right now.

00:17:57 ◼   ► It's super interesting.

00:17:59 ◼   ► You know, I, even though I feel like a lot of Apple intelligence is a little underwhelming

00:18:05 ◼   ► at this point, clearly Apple thinks it's very important, but as I wrote in my piece and a

00:18:11 ◼   ► bunch of other people wrote yesterday, these things are bought to be put in the hands of

00:18:16 ◼   ► kids at school.

00:18:17 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:18:18 ◼   ► Even at home, right?

00:18:20 ◼   ► It's like the kid's iPad.

00:18:21 ◼   ► It's the iPad you get for someone who just wants a basic tablet and it feels, it fulfills

00:18:27 ◼   ► that need really well.

00:18:29 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:18:30 ◼   ► And so maybe those users, Apple feels like don't benefit from Apple intelligence yet, you know,

00:18:36 ◼   ► and maybe that the A17 Pro, right?

00:18:38 ◼   ► Which is in the iPad mini.

00:18:39 ◼   ► Oh, remember when it got updated last year, like the A17 Pro is hanging around and that's

00:18:47 ◼   ► the, that's the bottom of the Apple intelligence ladder for A series chips.

00:18:53 ◼   ► Uh, yeah, I really figured they'd go to an A17 Pro, but I also think 349 is a really important

00:19:01 ◼   ► price for this iPad.

00:19:03 ◼   ► I think it's the most important feature of this iPad is the price.

00:19:06 ◼   ► And if I had to choose between doubling the storage from 64 to 128 or having Apple intelligence

00:19:14 ◼   ► or not, I would have doubled the storage.

00:19:16 ◼   ► And so while it's a little bit weird with sort of the rest of Apple's current marketing push,

00:19:23 ◼   ► I think it actually kind of makes sense.

00:19:25 ◼   ► And I'm not, I'm not as turned off by it as maybe my, my gut reaction was yesterday.

00:19:30 ◼   ► I think, and I continue to think that for what you get from iPadOS, the iPad lineup continues

00:19:39 ◼   ► to make way more sense at the low end rather than the high end.

00:19:42 ◼   ► And that's the unfortunate reality.

00:19:44 ◼   ► Um, especially when you look like you have your iPad mini, the iPad and the small iPad air.

00:19:52 ◼   ► I think it all, I think it all kind of makes sense there from, from a product, um, narrative

00:19:59 ◼   ► from a pricing standpoint, things get murkier.

00:20:02 ◼   ► I'm, I'm looking at, I'm on apple.com now and looking at the whole iPad lineup.

00:20:06 ◼   ► I think as soon as you hit the 13 inch iPad air and you move into the 11 inch iPad pro and

00:20:12 ◼   ► then the 13 inch iPad pro that's where, you know, you basically enter MacBook air level

00:20:19 ◼   ► territory in terms of, especially with the, with the pros, obviously.

00:20:23 ◼   ► It gets really expensive, uh, pretty quickly.

00:20:26 ◼   ► It gets really expensive pretty quickly to the point where like, this is an old conversation.

00:20:31 ◼   ► We've been having this conversation for 10 years.

00:20:33 ◼   ► Um, I really don't know what to say, except that, you know, doesn't, it doesn't feel like

00:20:42 ◼   ► iPadOS 19 this year is going to be, it's going to, it's going to have anything meaningful.

00:20:50 ◼   ► This is the year Federico, you got to believe.

00:20:52 ◼   ► Yeah, no, I, look, uh, I'm, I don't think, you know, I, I love the iPad, but also at the

00:21:01 ◼   ► same time, I don't think I'm stupid.

00:21:02 ◼   ► Um, there's going to, there's going to be a moment, I think in my future where after enough

00:21:10 ◼   ► years of no updates, right.

00:21:13 ◼   ► And no changes to what you can do with an iPad.

00:21:18 ◼   ► There's going to be a moment where I'll, I'll be, where either you or Mike or John will

00:21:24 ◼   ► sit me down and be like, okay, teach you, look, it's fine that you like the iPad, but you really

00:21:29 ◼   ► got to come back to the Mac.

00:21:30 ◼   ► Um, if things don't change, it kind of feels like if we go to iPadOS 19 with no more changes

00:21:40 ◼   ► to what you can do with multitasking, to what kinds of apps you can use, to what kinds of

00:21:46 ◼   ► computery things you can do on iPadOS, like it sort of becomes a liability almost, you know?

00:21:53 ◼   ► And I mean, I love this thing so much, but there's only so much I think you can, you can push me,

00:21:59 ◼   ► you know?

00:22:00 ◼   ► No, I totally get it.

00:22:02 ◼   ► I mean, it is a story as old as time is like the hardware just runs circles around the software.

00:22:07 ◼   ► And yeah, I mean, look, the, the M4 iPad Pro is this amazing feat of engineering, but if you just

00:22:13 ◼   ► need a tablet, right.

00:22:15 ◼   ► And like, you don't care about the extra stuff, the hardware gets you like go spend $349 or even

00:22:21 ◼   ► less at Costco or Amazon or something.

00:22:24 ◼   ► like you're going to have a really good experience on the base iPad.

00:22:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:28 ◼   ► And if you just want a little more and the ability to add that magic keyboard, I do think if only

00:22:33 ◼   ► the page will load like the new iPad, the new iPad air, right?

00:22:38 ◼   ► So if you get the 11 inch iPad air and it starts at 549, 599, I think 5, 5, 5, 549 for the 11 inch.

00:22:52 ◼   ► Oh, I see 599 in the U S I'm in the U S store.

00:22:57 ◼   ► Huh?

00:22:58 ◼   ► No, it's 599 dude for the iPad air.

00:23:00 ◼   ► What?

00:23:01 ◼   ► Oh, education savings.

00:23:03 ◼   ► Oh, why am I on the occasion?

00:23:05 ◼   ► Why am I on the education?

00:23:07 ◼   ► Because you're a student of life, Federico.

00:23:09 ◼   ► You always have.

00:23:10 ◼   ► I am.

00:23:11 ◼   ► I am a student and a scholar.

00:23:13 ◼   ► They would say you always have been, especially on Sundays.

00:23:16 ◼   ► Five, five, especially 599, 599 for an 11 inch iPad air.

00:23:22 ◼   ► If you want to, like, honestly, like, would I recommend the iPad pro today, right now?

00:23:32 ◼   ► Would I recommend the iPad pro to anyone that is not me or Chris Lolly or I don't know, somebody

00:23:40 ◼   ► exactly and precisely like us?

00:23:42 ◼   ► No.

00:23:44 ◼   ► Especially with the new keyboard, you know, with the function keys and stuff.

00:23:48 ◼   ► You know, you know, I like to the majority of the audience on connected, I would say just

00:23:53 ◼   ► get an iPad air at this point.

00:23:56 ◼   ► And more broadly speaking, if you need to do proper computery things, I would say get the

00:24:03 ◼   ► computer we're going to talk about in a minute.

00:24:07 ◼   ► The $14,000 Mac studio.

00:24:09 ◼   ► No, wait.

00:24:10 ◼   ► Yes.

00:24:11 ◼   ► That one.

00:24:11 ◼   ► That one.

00:24:12 ◼   ► Okay.

00:24:13 ◼   ► So that's, that's iPads.

00:24:15 ◼   ► They've all kind of been updated recently now.

00:24:18 ◼   ► And I suspect it'll be quiet on the iPad hardware front.

00:24:21 ◼   ► You know, maybe an M5 iPad pro towards the end of the year, maybe, or, or it could be a

00:24:28 ◼   ► year.

00:24:28 ◼   ► Like this could be it for a while.

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00:26:37 ◼   ► In addition to new iPads, today, as we record this, we got new Macs as well.

00:26:43 ◼   ► So let's start with the M4 MacBook Air.

00:26:47 ◼   ► Yes.

00:26:48 ◼   ► I mean, right off the bat, we have a new color.

00:26:50 ◼   ► We have sky blue.

00:26:52 ◼   ► Looks pretty good.

00:26:54 ◼   ► It looks nice.

00:26:55 ◼   ► Looks nice.

00:26:56 ◼   ► So it's silver, starlight, sky blue, and midnight.

00:26:59 ◼   ► So space gray has been sent into orbit, I guess.

00:27:03 ◼   ► Yeah, into space, yes.

00:27:05 ◼   ► Into space, yeah.

00:27:07 ◼   ► Looks pretty good.

00:27:08 ◼   ► The starting price is $9.99.

00:27:12 ◼   ► So last time around with the M3, it was $10.99, and you can get an M2 for $9.99.

00:27:20 ◼   ► And if you went to Walmart, you get an M1 for like $700.

00:27:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:24 ◼   ► But now the good, like the best MacBook Air starts at $9.99.

00:27:28 ◼   ► That's incredible, I think.

00:27:31 ◼   ► That's the biggest news of this product, I think.

00:27:34 ◼   ► Like the top MacBook Air.

00:27:35 ◼   ► You can still spec it up, right?

00:27:37 ◼   ► You can still add quite a bit of thing across to it.

00:27:42 ◼   ► 32 gigabytes of memory, 2 terabytes of storage and stuff.

00:27:45 ◼   ► This is what I meant two minutes ago.

00:27:48 ◼   ► This is the computer that most people should buy.

00:27:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:51 ◼   ► Like the dollar to computer value that you get with this M4 MacBook Air.

00:27:59 ◼   ► I mean, sure, we got to wait for the reviews, but we know mostly how an M4 runs and performs.

00:28:05 ◼   ► Here with $1,000, less than $1,000 in fact, $9.99, you got a computer that does all kinds of computer things.

00:28:15 ◼   ► And you just cannot say the same for an iPad Pro, unfortunately.

00:28:18 ◼   ► So, I think the color is great, but being able to go under $1,000, I think that's the real achievement for this new MacBook Air.

00:28:29 ◼   ► Yeah, it's fantastic.

00:28:32 ◼   ► So, yeah, M4, the, like, slightly more expensive ones, you know, have more GPU cores going from 8 to 10 cores.

00:28:43 ◼   ► Again, I don't think any workload on a MacBook Air is, like, you're really going to notice those two GPU cores being gone.

00:28:51 ◼   ► A couple other things I just noted going through the product pages.

00:28:53 ◼   ► There's an optional 70-watt USB-C charger for fast charging the MacBook Air.

00:28:58 ◼   ► Okay.

00:28:59 ◼   ► Pretty sweet.

00:29:00 ◼   ► And I wanted to ask you about this.

00:29:03 ◼   ► This is still Wi-Fi 6E.

00:29:06 ◼   ► No Wi-Fi 7.

00:29:08 ◼   ► That's also true on the other M4 models.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Base M4 models, at least.

00:29:15 ◼   ► You have Wi-Fi 7 now, as we talked about last week.

00:29:18 ◼   ► Do you think Apple needs to get moving on this?

00:29:22 ◼   ► Yes, but it doesn't surprise me that, you know, maybe this is one of the reasons why you want to, you know, if you want to stay below $1,000, you'd say, well, what can we cut, you know?

00:29:33 ◼   ► And maybe that's something that you can cut, you know?

00:29:37 ◼   ► Because for most people, 6E is fine, I think.

00:29:42 ◼   ► So, would it be better with Wi-Fi 7?

00:29:45 ◼   ► And yes, obviously, everything would be better with Wi-Fi 7, but, you know, I don't think it's a tragedy or anything.

00:29:53 ◼   ► No, I don't either.

00:29:54 ◼   ► The MacBook Pro is Wi-Fi 6E.

00:29:58 ◼   ► And the iPhone 16 is Wi-Fi 7.

00:30:03 ◼   ► So, I think that's the only Wi-Fi 7 anything that Apple is selling right now.

00:30:08 ◼   ► Yep.

00:30:08 ◼   ► Yep.

00:30:09 ◼   ► It'll come, you know, I think maybe even in the M5, we'll see that.

00:30:14 ◼   ► All the other MacBook Airs, the M2, the M3 are gone, but the M1 deal is still, at Walmart, still ongoing, right?

00:30:24 ◼   ► I believe so.

00:30:26 ◼   ► Okay.

00:30:27 ◼   ► So, you can either buy an M1 MacBook Air from a few years ago for, like, $700.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:32 ◼   ► Right now, it's $629 at Walmart.

00:30:36 ◼   ► Incredible.

00:30:37 ◼   ► Because that's still a, I can't say a really good computer.

00:30:41 ◼   ► I think it's still a really good computer.

00:30:43 ◼   ► But you can also get, for $999, an M4 MacBook Air.

00:30:48 ◼   ► Which I think is, like, this has to be the default go-to answer.

00:30:54 ◼   ► Like, to anybody who just wants to buy an Apple laptop.

00:30:57 ◼   ► Has to be the default that you would recommend to most people.

00:31:01 ◼   ► Gotta be.

00:31:01 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:31:02 ◼   ► I think just like the iPad Pro, the MacBook Pro makes sense if you have certain needs.

00:31:09 ◼   ► But most people don't have those needs.

00:31:12 ◼   ► And the MacBook Air is, like, it's really good.

00:31:14 ◼   ► In fact, I have an M1 that I kind of use as, like, my personal laptop a little bit.

00:31:19 ◼   ► But it's also, like, my beta machine during the summer.

00:31:22 ◼   ► And that laptop is still excellent.

00:31:24 ◼   ► But, like, if I could pick up a refurbished M2 or M3, I probably would now.

00:31:29 ◼   ► But if you have an Intel MacBook Air or even an M1 MacBook Air, the M4, I think, would really be a substantial update.

00:31:41 ◼   ► And I think at $9.99, if those minimum specs meet your needs, it's a great value.

00:31:47 ◼   ► And it comes in blue!

00:31:49 ◼   ► Who doesn't like blue?

00:31:51 ◼   ► Sky blue.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Sky blue.

00:31:53 ◼   ► That's a nice name.

00:31:55 ◼   ► Yep.

00:31:55 ◼   ► Pre-order today, ships March 12th.

00:31:57 ◼   ► Okay.

00:31:59 ◼   ► Mac Studio.

00:32:00 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:01 ◼   ► All right.

00:32:02 ◼   ► So what's going on here?

00:32:03 ◼   ► So the Mac Studio got updated two years ago, or a year and a half ago, to the M2 Max and M2 Ultra.

00:32:11 ◼   ► And, of course, the Mac Pro has the M2 Ultra as well.

00:32:15 ◼   ► Well, the Mac Studio got an update today to the M4 Max and the M3 Ultra.

00:32:26 ◼   ► Which is wild.

00:32:28 ◼   ► Because we have not seen the M3 Ultra to date, right?

00:32:32 ◼   ► It's the first time we've seen it.

00:32:33 ◼   ► There's a whole press release saying, like, oh, look at this chip.

00:32:37 ◼   ► It's all new.

00:32:37 ◼   ► And, like, talking about what it can do.

00:32:38 ◼   ► And it does seem amazing.

00:32:39 ◼   ► We'll talk about that in a second.

00:32:40 ◼   ► But no M4 Ultra.

00:32:45 ◼   ► And right as we jumped on the call, it was reported that Apple had made a statement to a French outlet saying that the M4 Max does not have the, like, the edge connectors.

00:32:58 ◼   ► You know, because the Ultra is two Maxes basically, like, stuck together.

00:33:01 ◼   ► Okay.

00:33:03 ◼   ► That fabric connection in between them, that the M4 Max doesn't have that.

00:33:08 ◼   ► And so, it seems like the M4 Ultra may not be a thing.

00:33:14 ◼   ► At least in terms of how the Ultra has been built before with two Maxes put together.

00:33:20 ◼   ► I, when this first happened, this was rumored very late in the day yesterday by Mark Gurman.

00:33:26 ◼   ► And someone tipped him off, I guess.

00:33:30 ◼   ► And my thought was, well, maybe the M4 Ultra will be, like, a Mac Pro exclusive.

00:33:35 ◼   ► But now it seems like the M4 Ultra may not exist.

00:33:38 ◼   ► Lots of questions.

00:33:39 ◼   ► But I think that makes it easy to look at this update and think, well, you know, it's actually not that big of a deal.

00:33:48 ◼   ► But if you go and read about the M3 Ultra, this thing is, I mean, it is unbelievable.

00:33:56 ◼   ► And it's Thunderbolt 5, like the M4 stuff.

00:34:00 ◼   ► So, they've upgraded it there.

00:34:01 ◼   ► Half a terabyte of unified memory.

00:34:04 ◼   ► 512 gigs of unified memory.

00:34:06 ◼   ► Which is just bananas.

00:34:09 ◼   ► Wow.

00:34:10 ◼   ► And, like, 30 core CPU.

00:34:14 ◼   ► Huge GPU.

00:34:16 ◼   ► You know, Apple always talks about efficiency as well.

00:34:23 ◼   ► You pointed out this bit about large language models and AI, about the token generation.

00:34:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:34:30 ◼   ► So, they're claiming 16.9x faster token generation using an LM with hundreds of billions of parameters in LM Studio compared to the Mac Studio with the M1 Ultra.

00:34:42 ◼   ► I saw on Reddit that they actually tested the 400 billion parameter Lama model, which is, obviously, like, it's a big, chunky model.

00:34:59 ◼   ► And to have it run, first of all, to have it run locally is incredible.

00:35:03 ◼   ► But to have it be almost 17 times faster than a Mac Studio with the M1 Ultra, that's, oof.

00:35:09 ◼   ► That's, I would love to see the specs of the machine that they tested with that version of Lama running locally.

00:35:18 ◼   ► But that is, that is a beast of, of, of, of a, of a computer.

00:35:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:23 ◼   ► Um, so, obviously, like, it is strange, right, that you can buy a computer that either comes with M4 Max, but the better version is called M3 Ultra.

00:35:36 ◼   ► So, you're going one step beyond and two steps ahead.

00:35:40 ◼   ► Uh, but it is what it is.

00:35:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:43 ◼   ► Half, half, up to half a terabyte of unified memory.

00:35:48 ◼   ► What?

00:35:50 ◼   ► Like, this is, this has to be the computer for people doing really intensive academic things, AI things.

00:36:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:36:03 ◼   ► Like, uh, this is the kind of machine that, you know, not even you, not anybody, like, you know, the most you can do is what?

00:36:12 ◼   ► Compile an app in Xcode and encode a bunch of 4K or 8K videos.

00:36:18 ◼   ► Like, I don't even think you do 8K.

00:36:21 ◼   ► No, I don't.

00:36:21 ◼   ► No.

00:36:22 ◼   ► But maybe in a couple of years, you maybe want to do 8K.

00:36:25 ◼   ► But still, this is not the computer for that sort of thing.

00:36:27 ◼   ► This is the computer for, like, serious researchers and developers of AI products.

00:36:33 ◼   ► And, you know, that, and, and it's, frankly, the numbers are astounding.

00:36:39 ◼   ► And to, to have those numbers in a, in a, in a, in a machine that it's not even that huge.

00:36:46 ◼   ► Like, you put it on desk.

00:36:47 ◼   ► It's basically like a, like a thick Mac mini still.

00:36:50 ◼   ► I think it's remarkable, honestly.

00:36:52 ◼   ► Oh, it, it really is.

00:36:54 ◼   ► And it also really calls into question why the Mac Pro exists.

00:36:58 ◼   ► And I love the Mac Pro.

00:37:00 ◼   ► I love it.

00:37:01 ◼   ► So this is, this is where I wanted to go next.

00:37:04 ◼   ► Like, in a world where you can have an M3 Ultra Mac Studio with half a terabyte of unified memory, 16 terabytes of SSD storage, you can run the 400 billion parameter LAMA model locally.

00:37:17 ◼   ► Like, and that's all in a small, thick Mac mini.

00:37:22 ◼   ► What's a Mac, what's a Mac Pro?

00:37:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:26 ◼   ► Like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not putting anybody on blast.

00:37:31 ◼   ► I'm just asking loudly.

00:37:32 ◼   ► What, what is a Mac Pro?

00:37:34 ◼   ► No, I, I, I agree.

00:37:36 ◼   ► I mean, even that last Intel Mac Pro that I had, the 2019, it was the most powerful Mac and the most capable and flexible that you could have.

00:37:49 ◼   ► Well, now it's not the most powerful, you know, until today it was tied with the Mac Studio.

00:37:56 ◼   ► Now the Mac Studio, I think quite frankly, is going to really surpass it in terms of, of capability.

00:38:02 ◼   ► And it's not expandable because of the decisions made with Apple Silicon, right?

00:38:08 ◼   ► I'm not putting GPUs in it.

00:38:09 ◼   ► You can put storage in it, you can put network stuff in it.

00:38:11 ◼   ► Like there are still some uses for those slots, but not the way that it was in the Intel days.

00:38:19 ◼   ► And yeah, I don't, I think it's really conspicuously absent from today's updates.

00:38:27 ◼   ► Where is the M3 Ultra Mac Pro?

00:38:32 ◼   ► They just didn't do it.

00:38:33 ◼   ► And I don't know, man.

00:38:37 ◼   ► I just don't know.

00:38:39 ◼   ► Are you at any point going to consider buying a version of a Mac Studio?

00:38:44 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:38:46 ◼   ► I mean, I had one for a little while after I sold the Mac Pro, but then I started my experiment now a couple of years ago of like just having a really nice 14 inch MacBook Pro.

00:38:56 ◼   ► And I've been really happy with that.

00:38:58 ◼   ► Like I just upgraded at the end of the year to the M4 Max.

00:39:01 ◼   ► And I really like laptop plus display.

00:39:05 ◼   ► And I don't need the power of the, definitely don't need the M3 Ultra, right?

00:39:12 ◼   ► It's like maybe an M4 Max Studio would be basically the same computer I have now, just less flexible in form factor.

00:39:20 ◼   ► Like I like that I can take my whole computer with me instead of a subset of my computer with me when I had desktop and then laptop.

00:39:26 ◼   ► So really, I think I'm basically out of the Mac desktop game for the foreseeable future.

00:39:34 ◼   ► Like again, I just bought a new 14 inch MacBook Pro at the end of the year.

00:39:37 ◼   ► I'm very happy with it.

00:39:39 ◼   ► I don't know, I don't know what would bring me back to the desktop.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Do you think Underscore is going to get a Mac Studio, a new Mac Studio?

00:39:48 ◼   ► I don't think so.

00:39:49 ◼   ► I mean, he, I think he, I think his is a 14 inch as well, but he likes having a MacBook Pro as far as I know, for the same reasons I do, that he can take all of his work with him.

00:39:57 ◼   ► Makes sense.

00:39:59 ◼   ► Makes sense.

00:39:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:00 ◼   ► I haven't, I haven't seen any, you know, big Apple store charges today from him.

00:40:04 ◼   ► So I don't think he's gone off and bought one yet.

00:40:07 ◼   ► Okay.

00:40:08 ◼   ► Not yet.

00:40:09 ◼   ► You never know.

00:40:09 ◼   ► Keep an eye on my email.

00:40:11 ◼   ► If you see a $14,000 charge.

00:40:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:18 ◼   ► The, uh, the big difference, I think, uh, that we haven't touched on between the two processors to back up a second.

00:40:26 ◼   ► In addition to like the high end specs being way higher on the ultra is the memory bandwidth is basically doubled 410 gigabytes a second versus 819 gigabytes a second.

00:40:39 ◼   ► I like that.

00:40:39 ◼   ► I like that it says 819 instead of 819 instead of 820.

00:40:41 ◼   ► Like I feel like Apple tested it and it's like, just shy of double.

00:40:44 ◼   ► So they're honest with their specs, hopefully.

00:40:45 ◼   ► But if you have a workload that really depends on that, my word, the M3 ultra is going to absolutely destroy anything.

00:40:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:56 ◼   ► I mean, we're not far off from a terabyte a second of memory bandwidth.

00:41:01 ◼   ► Like that doesn't make any sense to me, like how it could be so fast.

00:41:05 ◼   ► And so that's where I think the AI training and the LLM work, like that's where that can really shine.

00:41:10 ◼   ► But again, for most, I mean, anybody we know, right.

00:41:15 ◼   ► The, the M3 ultra is just way overkill and I'm glad Apple makes it.

00:41:21 ◼   ► I'm glad Apple is catering to those use cases, but I certainly don't need it.

00:41:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:28 ◼   ► It is cool though.

00:41:29 ◼   ► It's, it's cool.

00:41:31 ◼   ► Like these things that push the boundaries are, are, are cool because they, they break a ceiling, you know, and, and, and you can appreciate that even if you don't use that machine, I think.

00:41:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:49 ◼   ► Just like the, just like the screen and the iPad pro kind of right.

00:41:52 ◼   ► To bring that back.

00:41:53 ◼   ► Like it's really cool.

00:41:55 ◼   ► And if you can appreciate it, that's great.

00:41:56 ◼   ► But a lot of people can't or don't need it or aren't willing to pay for it.

00:42:00 ◼   ► And that's, that's okay too.

00:42:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:42:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

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00:43:42 ◼   ► Mike was sad that he is missing the Jeremys.

00:43:52 ◼   ► It's here.

00:43:54 ◼   ► It's time.

00:43:55 ◼   ► Okay.

00:43:55 ◼   ► iOS 18.4 Beta 2 includes eight new emoji.

00:44:01 ◼   ► If you're unfamiliar with the Jeremys, it's a game that we play where Federico has to guess the name, the official name of these emoji.

00:44:10 ◼   ► The chapter art right now shows the emoji, so you can follow along.

00:44:15 ◼   ► There's also a link to Emojipedia.

00:44:17 ◼   ► Our friends over there put a blog post together showing these.

00:44:21 ◼   ► And you've got to name them.

00:44:24 ◼   ► And we're going to see how you do.

00:44:26 ◼   ► Steven, I've tried my best to stay away from posts on social media, from images, from things that I knew were showing those emoji.

00:44:37 ◼   ► I've tried my best.

00:44:38 ◼   ► I know that I don't have a lot to guess this time around.

00:44:42 ◼   ► Only eight.

00:44:43 ◼   ► Eight.

00:44:44 ◼   ► Okay.

00:44:45 ◼   ► Okay.

00:44:46 ◼   ► I'm finally looking at the image now.

00:44:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:49 ◼   ► I just shared it with you.

00:44:51 ◼   ► So we're going to start in the upper left.

00:44:57 ◼   ► Upper left.

00:44:59 ◼   ► This face.

00:45:01 ◼   ► Okay.

00:45:03 ◼   ► Are you, first of all, before we begin, are you going to be more forgiving than Michael?

00:45:08 ◼   ► Oh, we'll see.

00:45:09 ◼   ► You know?

00:45:10 ◼   ► You know?

00:45:12 ◼   ► Because we, you and I, we have our thing going for the next few weeks.

00:45:16 ◼   ► You know, you can't give me a point, you know?

00:45:19 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:45:22 ◼   ► Out of the kindness of your heart, you know?

00:45:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:25 ◼   ► You know?

00:45:26 ◼   ► All those Sundays together.

00:45:28 ◼   ► Okay.

00:45:31 ◼   ► Okay, so.

00:45:32 ◼   ► First one.

00:45:32 ◼   ► All right.

00:45:32 ◼   ► So I'm looking.

00:45:33 ◼   ► So this is, we know from emoji history that these are called face with something.

00:45:39 ◼   ► We've been, I've been burned by this face emoji before.

00:45:45 ◼   ► So this is not an answer.

00:45:49 ◼   ► I'm just thinking out loud.

00:45:51 ◼   ► So my gut reaction would be, this is a tired face.

00:45:56 ◼   ► However, I know that Apple prefers to call this emoji face something, something.

00:46:04 ◼   ► So I could either go.

00:46:07 ◼   ► So the thing is, I got to think about how to call the things around the eyes when you're tired.

00:46:17 ◼   ► I know how to call them in Italian.

00:46:20 ◼   ► That would be okay.

00:46:22 ◼   ► You have.

00:46:25 ◼   ► Bags.

00:46:28 ◼   ► Eye bags.

00:46:30 ◼   ► Bags under the eyes.

00:46:32 ◼   ► Bags on the eyes.

00:46:34 ◼   ► Bags around the eyes.

00:46:36 ◼   ► Okay.

00:46:38 ◼   ► So I'm just, I'm just, I'm throwing it out there.

00:46:40 ◼   ► Okay.

00:46:40 ◼   ► This is face with, uh, face with bags under the eyes.

00:46:53 ◼   ► Bingo face with bags under the eyes.

00:46:56 ◼   ► Oh, I'm so glad.

00:47:00 ◼   ► Oh, it's good.

00:47:01 ◼   ► It's good.

00:47:02 ◼   ► Face with tired would have been.

00:47:04 ◼   ► Face with tired would have been.

00:47:06 ◼   ► Face with tired.

00:47:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:08 ◼   ► Because they do these things, right?

00:47:10 ◼   ► It's face with something.

00:47:12 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:47:14 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:14 ◼   ► All right.

00:47:15 ◼   ► So the next one should be pretty easy.

00:47:19 ◼   ► I think this is probably the easiest one.

00:47:22 ◼   ► No, there's probably another one that is.

00:47:25 ◼   ► Well, okay.

00:47:25 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:25 ◼   ► There are several easy ones here, actually.

00:47:27 ◼   ► Fingerprint.

00:47:31 ◼   ► That's correct.

00:47:33 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:33 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:34 ◼   ► All right.

00:47:35 ◼   ► All right.

00:47:35 ◼   ► So this is the touch ID emoji.

00:47:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:37 ◼   ► Out of all of these, that's the one I was most surprised with.

00:47:40 ◼   ► We didn't have an emoji for.

00:47:41 ◼   ► Right?

00:47:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:43 ◼   ► Well, the next one is interesting.

00:47:46 ◼   ► So we're looking at some purple paint.

00:47:51 ◼   ► I don't think Apple is going to call this like purple paint.

00:47:57 ◼   ► Because why would there be an emoji for purple paint?

00:48:00 ◼   ► So I think that's paint.

00:48:04 ◼   ► I honestly have no idea.

00:48:08 ◼   ► What do you call, like, it's when you spill some paint.

00:48:19 ◼   ► Like, that's what it looks like.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Kate, I had, did you also have Art Attack when you were little?

00:48:30 ◼   ► Well, I thought it was like an Italian thing.

00:48:33 ◼   ► So Kate in the Discord is referring to Art Attack.

00:48:36 ◼   ► That's a TV show that, oh my God, we had an Italian version.

00:48:40 ◼   ► The guy who used to do Art Attack on Channel 2 in Italy is not like, obviously, Art Attack

00:48:48 ◼   ► was like stopped many, many years ago.

00:48:51 ◼   ► The guy that used to do Art Attack is now still beloved and still well known for doing Art Attack.

00:48:59 ◼   ► And he now does like this, like crafty projects on Instagram.

00:49:04 ◼   ► He's such a lovable dude.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Giovanni, that's who this is?

00:49:09 ◼   ► Giovanni Muchaccia.

00:49:11 ◼   ► That would be the name.

00:49:12 ◼   ► It's a funny name, even in Italian.

00:49:13 ◼   ► I had no idea that Art Attack was like an international thing.

00:49:18 ◼   ► I thought it was, it was, it was like an Italian local thing.

00:49:22 ◼   ► That's awesome.

00:49:22 ◼   ► Um, anyway, this is some, uh, paint, uh, I'm going to go with paint.

00:49:36 ◼   ► What do you call it?

00:49:38 ◼   ► Um, paint splatter, paint splattered paint, splattered paint.

00:49:46 ◼   ► I'm going to give it to you, but the name is just splatter.

00:49:51 ◼   ► Oh, no paint.

00:49:53 ◼   ► Just splatter?

00:49:57 ◼   ► Just splatter.

00:49:57 ◼   ► That doesn't make any, thank you.

00:50:02 ◼   ► I'm glad that I all, that I worked my way around it, but.

00:50:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:08 ◼   ► Just splatter, like splatter of anything.

00:50:10 ◼   ► Okay, cool.

00:50:12 ◼   ► Weird.

00:50:12 ◼   ► Why is it purple?

00:50:13 ◼   ► Why is it weirdly three-dimensional?

00:50:16 ◼   ► Nondescript gooey liquid in the emoji.

00:50:23 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:50:24 ◼   ► Okay, so these next two are, and the final one, I think are going to be my issue.

00:50:33 ◼   ► I know how to call this vegetable in Italian.

00:50:38 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure that would be a Ravanello.

00:50:41 ◼   ► I have no idea what's, what the English name is.

00:50:45 ◼   ► I, I have no idea.

00:50:52 ◼   ► I, uh, have I seen this before anywhere?

00:50:58 ◼   ► Uh, this red, oh, is it radish?

00:51:05 ◼   ► Final answer?

00:51:07 ◼   ► Yes.

00:51:08 ◼   ► Uh, it is not.

00:51:10 ◼   ► I mean, I mean, that's what it is, but the name of it is root vegetable.

00:51:17 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:51:18 ◼   ► Really?

00:51:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:19 ◼   ► Root vegetable.

00:51:21 ◼   ► Root vegetable.

00:51:22 ◼   ► But it is like.

00:51:23 ◼   ► I would call that a radish.

00:51:25 ◼   ► In a supermarket, you would call it a radish?

00:51:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:29 ◼   ► A root vegetable is like a, a whole genre.

00:51:33 ◼   ► Like carrots are a root vegetable.

00:51:34 ◼   ► Right.

00:51:35 ◼   ► You know?

00:51:36 ◼   ► And there is, and there is a carrot emoji.

00:51:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:38 ◼   ► I don't know why this one has a generic name.

00:51:40 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe someone knows, or maybe, maybe this is just referred to as root vegetable,

00:51:45 ◼   ► like more broadly, like turnips, also a root vegetable, you know?

00:51:50 ◼   ► Oh, turnip.

00:51:51 ◼   ► What's the other word?

00:51:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:52 ◼   ► Turnip.

00:51:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:53 ◼   ► It does kind of look like a turnip.

00:51:54 ◼   ► Maybe it looks more like a turnip than a radish actually, but root vegetable, uh, yeah.

00:51:59 ◼   ► Un, uh, not a very specific name in my mind, at least.

00:52:03 ◼   ► All right.

00:52:05 ◼   ► So that's, that's the first point I don't get.

00:52:08 ◼   ► Uh, okay.

00:52:08 ◼   ► So the next one, what is this?

00:52:10 ◼   ► Uh, this is a tree from, from, from a scary tale.

00:52:14 ◼   ► Like it's a, it's an empty tree with a hollow, with a hollow, uh, thing.

00:52:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:21 ◼   ► That could be like an owl living in there.

00:52:23 ◼   ► It doesn't have to be creepy.

00:52:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:24 ◼   ► Well, I mean, look at it.

00:52:26 ◼   ► No, it's got creepy.

00:52:27 ◼   ► It looks creepy.

00:52:28 ◼   ► It's got creepy vibes.

00:52:30 ◼   ► Obviously, I don't think Apple is going to call it a creepy tree.

00:52:32 ◼   ► Um, no, imagine that or a horror.

00:52:38 ◼   ► A tree.

00:52:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:38 ◼   ► Um, so the, the question will be, what, what do you call an empty tree?

00:52:44 ◼   ► Do you just call it like, is that, is it even the right adjective to say it's an empty tree?

00:52:48 ◼   ► I'm sure there is an English way to say it that I don't know because I know how to say it in Italian.

00:52:54 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:52:57 ◼   ► A tree without leaves, uh, a, a, uh, branches?

00:53:04 ◼   ► No, because you can see the trunk.

00:53:06 ◼   ► Um, we do have the tree emoji already.

00:53:11 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:53:12 ◼   ► So there has to be a qualifier to make this tree different.

00:53:17 ◼   ► And I keep thinking about that hole in the middle section.

00:53:20 ◼   ► I'm going to get this wrong.

00:53:23 ◼   ► Uh, I, I'm going to go with, uh, it's also, it's a very sad tree.

00:53:34 ◼   ► Uh, I'm going to go with empty tree.

00:53:37 ◼   ► You're, you're on the right path, but you're not quite there.

00:53:42 ◼   ► It is leafless tree.

00:53:44 ◼   ► Leafless.

00:53:45 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:53:46 ◼   ► Oh, come on.

00:53:47 ◼   ► Leafless tree.

00:53:48 ◼   ► Leafless tree.

00:53:50 ◼   ► See, I would have guessed if I wasn't, if I was you, I would have guessed hollow tree.

00:53:55 ◼   ► Cause like the hole in it, but yeah, I was going to say leafless.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Leafless.

00:54:00 ◼   ► That is, that is even, that's actually very sad.

00:54:03 ◼   ► It's a, it's a very sad name.

00:54:05 ◼   ► It is.

00:54:06 ◼   ► A leaf, a leafless tree.

00:54:07 ◼   ► It's also hard to say leafless tree.

00:54:09 ◼   ► That and face with tired.

00:54:11 ◼   ► I'm just saying like big 2025 vibes in this emoji set today.

00:54:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:16 ◼   ► Oh, the, the first one is king.

00:54:17 ◼   ► Absolute king.

00:54:18 ◼   ► I'm going to use that one a lot.

00:54:19 ◼   ► That emoji.

00:54:19 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:21 ◼   ► Okay.

00:54:22 ◼   ► So the next one should be easy.

00:54:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:25 ◼   ► This is a musical instrument.

00:54:27 ◼   ► It's a harp.

00:54:29 ◼   ► It's correct.

00:54:30 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:54:32 ◼   ► And the next one also, unless Apple has done something weird, I wouldn't have any other idea what to say.

00:54:42 ◼   ► It's a shovel.

00:54:43 ◼   ► Apple calls it a digging tool.

00:54:45 ◼   ► No, I'm just kidding.

00:54:46 ◼   ► Shovel it is.

00:54:47 ◼   ► Okay.

00:54:48 ◼   ► Okay.

00:54:49 ◼   ► Shovel it is.

00:54:51 ◼   ► And now here's my big problem for this game.

00:54:55 ◼   ► Let me get closer to the monitor.

00:54:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:57 ◼   ► Zoom in.

00:54:58 ◼   ► I'm looking at a, I'm looking at a flag that almost looks like the, oh my God, I'm going

00:55:06 ◼   ► to like, there has to be a flag similar to this that belongs to Great Britain, right?

00:55:13 ◼   ► Like, white with a red cross.

00:55:16 ◼   ► It feels in that vein.

00:55:18 ◼   ► You know, I will say no comment here is a, is a political comment about the world, right?

00:55:23 ◼   ► We're just talking about emoji.

00:55:25 ◼   ► It does look British-y.

00:55:27 ◼   ► You look, you know, like it.

00:55:29 ◼   ► It's got that, it's got that feeling.

00:55:31 ◼   ► It's got that British-y feeling.

00:55:33 ◼   ► Now, the issue is that in the upper left quadrant of the flag, that portion is filled with a red

00:55:42 ◼   ► color and two shapes that I'm getting closer to the monitor.

00:55:47 ◼   ► I'm trying to understand what I'm looking at.

00:55:49 ◼   ► Enhance.

00:55:50 ◼   ► Computer, enhance.

00:55:51 ◼   ► This looks like a dragon monkey to me.

00:55:54 ◼   ► It looks like, so it's got four feet.

00:55:58 ◼   ► It's a, it's a, it's a, it's an animal.

00:56:01 ◼   ► I think it's an animal because I initially, I thought I'm looking at like some, some Asian

00:56:05 ◼   ► alphabet, but no, these are two figures, two creatures.

00:56:10 ◼   ► And I think that like my first reaction would be like, it's some kind of dragon monkey because

00:56:14 ◼   ► it's like long, but it's got the cute paws and a little head and a very long tail.

00:56:21 ◼   ► It seems, however, I'm pretty sure that a dragon monkey does not exist.

00:56:25 ◼   ► Uh, yeah, confirmed.

00:56:28 ◼   ► So what country would have, is this a reptile instead of a, some kind of monkey or some kind

00:56:39 ◼   ► of squirrel and why two of them?

00:56:43 ◼   ► Also, I am ignorant when it comes to geography.

00:56:47 ◼   ► So I, I don't mean to offend anybody.

00:56:51 ◼   ► If like, I don't know the country this belongs to.

00:56:54 ◼   ► I don't know why on one hand I get like strong British vibes, but on the other, this, I don't

00:57:04 ◼   ► know if it's the color or the type of animal, it does look Asian to my, to my brain.

00:57:12 ◼   ► I'm just going to throw it out there because I have a friend, I have a friend who went to

00:57:20 ◼   ► this country to play football.

00:57:22 ◼   ► football, Americans would say soccer, to play football for a team in Bhutan.

00:57:30 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:57:31 ◼   ► It's not right.

00:57:34 ◼   ► It is not right.

00:57:35 ◼   ► Okay.

00:57:36 ◼   ► Uh, this is, uh, there's a link in the show notes cause I was also unfamiliar with this.

00:57:41 ◼   ► Uh, this is the flag of Cirque, which is an Island in the English channel, you know, between

00:57:50 ◼   ► France and it was an English thing.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Yes.

00:57:53 ◼   ► It is a, I'm quoting Wikipedia, self-governing British crown dependency.

00:57:59 ◼   ► I should have trusted my-

00:58:01 ◼   ► Kind of like the, uh, the Island Man, I think is, is in that, is in that category.

00:58:05 ◼   ► Obviously I would have never guessed.

00:58:08 ◼   ► What's it?

00:58:08 ◼   ► Cirque?

00:58:09 ◼   ► Cirque.

00:58:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:10 ◼   ► S-A-R-K.

00:58:11 ◼   ► I would have never gotten it.

00:58:13 ◼   ► It's the first time I'm hearing that name in my life.

00:58:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:17 ◼   ► So it was a lion.

00:58:19 ◼   ► Kate says, these are helretic lions.

00:58:24 ◼   ► Three lions is an English thing.

00:58:26 ◼   ► The white red flag without the lions is the English flag.

00:58:29 ◼   ► So you're not too far off.

00:58:30 ◼   ► So you, you were in the ballpark.

00:58:32 ◼   ► It was British.

00:58:33 ◼   ► It was English.

00:58:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:35 ◼   ► I mean, it wasn't monkey dragons or whatever you said, but.

00:58:38 ◼   ► Look, does dragon monkey, I think would be a fascinating animal.

00:58:43 ◼   ► It's a Pokemon.

00:58:43 ◼   ► Dragon monkey.

00:58:46 ◼   ► Dragon monkey.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Let's see.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Oh.

00:58:49 ◼   ► Oh.

00:58:49 ◼   ► Obviously monkey, the dragon is a character in one piece.

00:58:53 ◼   ► Do you know what one piece is?

00:58:54 ◼   ► I don't.

00:58:55 ◼   ► It's a manga and anime.

00:58:57 ◼   ► Okay.

00:58:58 ◼   ► Well, this is a.

00:59:02 ◼   ► Why just eight?

00:59:04 ◼   ► This is quite underwhelming.

00:59:06 ◼   ► Why just eight emoji?

00:59:07 ◼   ► Have we run out of emoji?

00:59:09 ◼   ► I think so.

00:59:09 ◼   ► I think that's what's happened.

00:59:12 ◼   ► But hey, you got five right and three wrong.

00:59:15 ◼   ► You did really well.

00:59:16 ◼   ► So I got wrong the, uh, the radish, the tree, and, and the flag.

00:59:23 ◼   ► I, I honestly thought you would be four and four.

00:59:26 ◼   ► I did not think you were going to make it to splatter.

00:59:28 ◼   ► So.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:59:31 ◼   ► Good work.

00:59:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:33 ◼   ► I've gotten better, better over the years.

00:59:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:36 ◼   ► I think.

00:59:36 ◼   ► I mean, some true greats on this show have happened playing the Jeremy's, right?

00:59:40 ◼   ► That's where which weird fish comes from.

00:59:42 ◼   ► Take a sip of grandpa.

00:59:44 ◼   ► Like all that stuff.

00:59:46 ◼   ► Yes.

00:59:47 ◼   ► Yes.

00:59:47 ◼   ► Yes.

00:59:47 ◼   ► Yes.

00:59:48 ◼   ► Yes.

00:59:48 ◼   ► And these are, I should say, there's a link in the show notes to the Jeremy's Gazette,

00:59:51 ◼   ► which is a running scoreboard of how you have done, uh, complete with your other guesses.

00:59:56 ◼   ► And it's, it's, it's a lot of fun to look through those.

00:59:58 ◼   ► Oh, there is a website for all the stupid things that I've said.

01:00:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:03 ◼   ► You really struggled with palm down hand.

01:00:05 ◼   ► You said hand that is about to pick up something or hand that just dropped something.

01:00:10 ◼   ► So.

01:00:11 ◼   ► Ah, I see.

01:00:14 ◼   ► That was not your best, uh, your best, your best guess.

01:00:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:18 ◼   ► That was not, I'm scrolling back.

01:00:20 ◼   ► Wow.

01:00:21 ◼   ► I really struggled in 2022.

01:00:22 ◼   ► We all did.

01:00:24 ◼   ► You can tell I was buying a house.

01:00:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:30 ◼   ► You're stressed.

01:00:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:32 ◼   ► I was really, I was really struggling.

01:00:33 ◼   ► Look at all these guesses that I had for the troll.

01:00:36 ◼   ► I said, person who sent you an email saying, stay in your lane.

01:00:40 ◼   ► Wow.

01:00:44 ◼   ► Okay.

01:00:45 ◼   ► Wow.

01:00:46 ◼   ► Pass me.

01:00:47 ◼   ► Good job.

01:00:48 ◼   ► Hmm.

01:00:49 ◼   ► All right.

01:00:50 ◼   ► Well, uh, hopefully next year there'll be more emoji.

01:00:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:56 ◼   ► It was used to like 50, used to be like 30 or 40 back in the day.

01:01:00 ◼   ► You know, the segment used to take a long time.

01:01:02 ◼   ► There were only six last year though.

01:01:03 ◼   ► There was shaking head horizontally and vertically Phoenix, which you said, uh, flaming bird.

01:01:09 ◼   ► He did not give you a point for Phoenix bird for Phoenix.

01:01:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:13 ◼   ► That's why I said that Mike used to be like really strict about it.

01:01:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:17 ◼   ► Uh, now I'm, maybe now he's a father and you know, he's, he's gotten softer.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Uh, potentially.

01:01:26 ◼   ► Potentially.

01:01:27 ◼   ► Potentially.

01:01:27 ◼   ► That's the hope.

01:01:28 ◼   ► Yep.

01:01:29 ◼   ► And then lime brown mushroom and a broken chain.

01:01:32 ◼   ► Rounded out last year.

01:01:33 ◼   ► When I, when I guessed, when I guessed people hugging, my first comment was two people get

01:01:40 ◼   ► it and on.

01:01:40 ◼   ► The biting lip.

01:01:43 ◼   ► You called the nib nib.

01:01:50 ◼   ► Oh, why, why, why do people still listen to me after all these horrible things I've said?

01:01:55 ◼   ► Pouring liquid when Dracula is upset and drops the blood from the glass.

01:02:03 ◼   ► Roller skate, the thing from the Tonya Harding movie.

01:02:07 ◼   ► Piñata emoji.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Be teaching us his happy COVID.

01:02:14 ◼   ► Oh no.

01:02:16 ◼   ► Wow.

01:02:19 ◼   ► Tea with holes at the bottom for bubble tea.

01:02:21 ◼   ► That was horrible.

01:02:24 ◼   ► I remember that.

01:02:25 ◼   ► That's a bad, that's a bad emoji.

01:02:28 ◼   ► Well, all right.

01:02:29 ◼   ► Good work.

01:02:30 ◼   ► Congratulations.

01:02:31 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:02:33 ◼   ► Uh, I think that's it.

01:02:35 ◼   ► I think we did it.

01:02:37 ◼   ► We did it.

01:02:38 ◼   ► Lots of computers, lots of computers that you can buy this week.

01:02:40 ◼   ► Um, you know, especially the $14,000 one.

01:02:44 ◼   ► So go nuts.

01:02:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:46 ◼   ► If you buy a $14,000 Mac studio, uh, send us some feedback and tell us why.

01:02:51 ◼   ► No, no.

01:02:51 ◼   ► If you buy that, you can come on the show as a guest.

01:02:57 ◼   ► It means for sure that you are an interesting person to interview.

01:03:00 ◼   ► So that's, that's probably true.

01:03:02 ◼   ► And maybe a more Mac power users thing, you know, maybe I'll maybe siphon them off to NPU.

01:03:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:08 ◼   ► Okay.

01:03:08 ◼   ► I don't mind.

01:03:09 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:03:09 ◼   ► Uh, this week has been weird for me, Federico, because normally we record NPU on Tuesdays,

01:03:15 ◼   ► but for reasons we're doing it tomorrow and it's weird doing connected first.

01:03:20 ◼   ► Like I am all out of sorts.

01:03:22 ◼   ► Hmm.

01:03:23 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:03:24 ◼   ► I know what you mean.

01:03:26 ◼   ► You've been there.

01:03:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Y'all are doing app stories all over the place.

01:03:30 ◼   ► You're doing a lot of podcasts, Federico.

01:03:32 ◼   ► Um, yeah, I do a lot of them.

01:03:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:35 ◼   ► I, what, what helps is that I've, I've tried to condense my recording days down to just two.

01:03:43 ◼   ► So most of it basically happens between Wednesday and Thursday.

01:03:48 ◼   ► So.

01:03:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:50 ◼   ► That's key.

01:03:50 ◼   ► You know?

01:03:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:51 ◼   ► Well, I think that does it for this week.

01:03:56 ◼   ► If you want to find show notes, uh, with a bunch of links to things we spoke about, go

01:04:00 ◼   ► to relay.fm slash connected slash five 42.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Those links are also, of course, in your podcast player.

01:04:08 ◼   ► There's one that says merch like 27 times in all capital letters.

01:04:12 ◼   ► Uh, that's where you can get some cool t-shirts.

01:04:14 ◼   ► So go there.

01:04:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:16 ◼   ► You have till March 14th.

01:04:17 ◼   ► Right.

01:04:18 ◼   ► What's the domain, Steven, so that we don't get the comments, uh, connectedmerch.co.uk or

01:04:25 ◼   ► straight from the Island of Sark, you know, that's right.

01:04:29 ◼   ► That's yeah.

01:04:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:30 ◼   ► That's where the domain register is.

01:04:32 ◼   ► I don't know if that's true.

01:04:33 ◼   ► Well, it now is in the, in the canon of the show.

01:04:38 ◼   ► So yeah, go, go get a shirt.

01:04:41 ◼   ► Uh, if you want to find us online, you can find Federico at max stories.net where he is

01:04:48 ◼   ► the editor in chief.

01:04:49 ◼   ► Uh, Hey, tell people what you're doing with MPC.

01:04:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:52 ◼   ► We launched a, a, a paid version of MPC called MPC Excel, which is a, a, basically an extra

01:05:00 ◼   ► version of MPC.

01:05:01 ◼   ► It's on Patreon for $5 a month.

01:05:03 ◼   ► Uh, that gets you access to, um, uh, to an, an additional, like an addendum of MPC where

01:05:10 ◼   ► we go in depth on any particular topic on a weekly basis.

01:05:15 ◼   ► And that's because the regular free for everybody MPC is also going weekly.

01:05:20 ◼   ► So you get a, you, you, you get everything basically now MPC every Tuesday for free for

01:05:25 ◼   ► everybody as it used to be, but now more and MPC Excel, which is even more topics, even

01:05:30 ◼   ► more in depth.

01:05:31 ◼   ► We did a first one on the, the history of the PSP hardware, sort of the impact on the industry

01:05:38 ◼   ► and our memories with the PSP was really good.

01:05:40 ◼   ► And we got to do another one, uh, tomorrow, in fact, for next week's Tuesday.

01:05:45 ◼   ► And, uh, yeah, it's a, it's fun to branch out.

01:05:49 ◼   ► We decided to use Patreon instead of member food, primarily because of like, uh, a lot of

01:05:55 ◼   ► gaming podcasts are on Patreon.

01:05:57 ◼   ► There's an established audience, you know, you got to reach people where they are, so to

01:06:01 ◼   ► speak, and so it just made more sense to use the platform that a whole bunch of people

01:06:05 ◼   ► are already using to get podcasts about video games and gaming in general.

01:06:10 ◼   ► And, uh, and it's fun to try out something new, you know?

01:06:13 ◼   ► So yeah, that's what we're doing.

01:06:15 ◼   ► And thank you for bringing that up on the show.

01:06:17 ◼   ► You bet.

01:06:17 ◼   ► There'll be a link in the show notes.

01:06:18 ◼   ► People can go, uh, go learn more.

01:06:21 ◼   ► You can find my writing at 512pixels.net and I co-host Mac Power Users here on Relay.

01:06:27 ◼   ► It comes out each and every Sunday.

01:06:28 ◼   ► Let me thank our sponsors this week, Squarespace, FitBod, and ZocDoc.

01:06:33 ◼   ► And if you'd like to hear an episode of the show without the ads and with extra content,

01:06:37 ◼   ► go to getconnectedpro.co.

01:06:39 ◼   ► And you can get, uh, Connected Pro, again, longer ad-free versions of the show that we do each

01:06:44 ◼   ► every week, just seven bucks a month.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Uh, you also get access to our Discord, some members-only podcasts at Relay, and a bunch

01:06:52 ◼   ► of, uh, a bunch of other cool stuff.

01:06:53 ◼   ► All right, Federico.

01:06:55 ◼   ► Until next week, say goodbye.

01:06:57 ◼   ► Arrivederci.

01:06:59 ◼   ► Bye, y'all.