The Accidental Tech Podcast

108: Zero is Better Than One

 

  What is that background writes It's from Last Exile which is an anime series that neither one of us heard of oil on the [TS]

  scene. I've seen it it's really good. You have not yet what because you think I haven't seen it. [TS]

  Tell me about it I'll Google Inc. [TS]

  I know nothing about it I've never seen all the great touches exactly so John wanted to tell us about how cross the [TS]

  road is doing financially. What was it why would I do that when it says in the notes that we are to talk about this. [TS]

  All right let's not talk about this because everyone is keep sending us the same. [TS]

  Everyone keep sending us the same Lincoln I'm tired of getting well here's here's what happens everybody has a bad [TS]

  memory. When we talked about crushing with finances on. At least two episodes maybe three. [TS]

  In the first one it was before they did one of the. [TS]

  They did a major update and in the first one I was looking at the top grossing charts. And I was saying. [TS]

  Given their position on the top downloading charges they were like you know one of the top. [TS]

  Handful of apps on the top three chart. But they weren't very high the top grossing chart. [TS]

  So what I said was at that position on top free. They should be making more money. [TS]

  And so maybe they can monetize better. Because you know. [TS]

  There's not really much reason to ever pay the money played a game. And then they didn't update. [TS]

  A few days after that episode came out and then they. [TS]

  They very quickly jumped up the top grossing chart and the following week we talked about that. Where we said hey. [TS]

  Looks like they fixed it they're making a good money now great good for them. [TS]

  And tons of people now have only heard that first part. And or Orly remember the first part. And are telling us look. [TS]

  You are so wrong. Because look to made all this money. When in fact we did already talk about this. The following week. [TS]

  When we said. Now they are making tons of money. [TS]

  I think we read an interview with them where they said they were there are now didn't have to work again [TS]

  and made up money to be set for life and so on [TS]

  and so forth that's why I feel like we covered right about that this is actually a new story. [TS]

  Right with updated updated financials [TS]

  but the story the week after we first discussed this basically the developer said we never have to work again. [TS]

  So reiterating that they still don't have to work again. Even less or more. I don't know whatever. [TS]

  They really don't have to or again. I think we'll put the link. [TS]

  Of the show is for people who want to read the numbers [TS]

  but it's like I'm just reading what's in the show is here ten million dollars [TS]

  and fifty million downloads truss rod is a good game. [TS]

  They deserve to make a lot of money because they made a really good game. Exactly. You know. [TS]

  The main reason I wanted to bring this up again is because the of that new interviewer piece on it that was on poly [TS]

  gone is that right. Yes polygon. [TS]

  And we've got that link a thousand times which I appreciate everyone is trying to A keep us informed which is very nice [TS]

  of them. But we have seen it and it's pretty much the same thing we already knew so thank you. In other news. [TS]

  We should talk about our anonymous tipster who sort of came through and yet sort of didn't. [TS]

  On the Apple event and obviously we'll talk about Monday's event. [TS]

  A little bit later but there were there was a way and there were some not so [TS]

  when not not so good results for this tipster do you want to take us through that John and where where he where he [TS]

  or she did well and where they did poorly. [TS]

  We kind of fell down on the previous show because at one point of the previous show I was trying to to nail down how we [TS]

  will know whether this. [TS]

  Whether these tips panned out because it was kind of vague and there was some bit like one of the criteria for success. [TS]

  And then we kind of wandered off into some of the topic [TS]

  and we didn't really pin down if we had it would have helped because as the keynote was going on in a meeting people [TS]

  tweets and. About fifty fifty people were saying oh my god that tips there was one hundred percent white right or. [TS]

  Ha ha that tipster didn't know anything. Nothing he said was in here. [TS]

  Like different people saying that one set of people like the same we're all watching the same presentation [TS]

  and some people are getting the impression [TS]

  and tweeting today is that the to that effect that they think the steps are was either right or wrong. [TS]

  And that's because we didn't really nail down success criteria if we had like a bingo card [TS]

  or a check box like I think Casey you tweeted a little checkmark of like things that we would check off as a tipster [TS]

  was right or wrong. Yeah. But as it turns out the tipster himself or herself. Gave some. [TS]

  Their own analysis of the success of their of the things. One when we were talk about the hub. [TS]

  And people pointed me to the link for that A.V. Adapter thing where the H.D.M.I. Video output during using US B.C.D. [TS]

  VI digital A.V. Multi-port adapter blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. That. [TS]

  That is not where the temperature was talking about a tipster explicitly said. That's not what I was talking about. [TS]

  So if you think that hipster was right because he saw that adapter that tipster him or herself says. [TS]

  You know that's not it. Right. The FOR SUCH THING. Was in the keynote where those exact words. [TS]

  The trackpad before such trackpad so you gotta give that on right so it's like at least there was going to predictions [TS]

  one for such to this hub. Thing. And the forced sex thing you know I don't want to minimize that. [TS]

  That was pretty significant that. From what everybody is saying Yeah I mean like. [TS]

  Nobody guess that the new keys which is like nobody. [TS]

  Good marker been didn't say the new keys which is he did mention the newer layout [TS]

  but he also the whole thing will be narrower and I think it's not. [TS]

  We have to double check on that but I think it's actually. [TS]

  I think the same with the total or at least as very close to Keys them selves. Have like less padding between them. [TS]

  So the Keys them selves have gotten larger but I think the overall with the keyboard is about the same. [TS]

  But nobody said anything about the new keys which type. The very low travel of the keys will be controversial and. [TS]

  And what the first touch. Track that I think. I think that's going to get you know. [TS]

  I think this tipster has proven himself to be somebody in the know. Even even if the second hub never comes out. [TS]

  I think. I think he or she has proven. Selves to be to be well informed. [TS]

  I don't know about that because the forest touch was super guessable. Right I would be super impressed by forest touch. [TS]

  If the phrase forest touch had never appeared in a previous Apple Keno you know what I mean. [TS]

  But because they use for a such to describe the thing on the watch. [TS]

  And because the government rumour said the trackpad wasn't going to move but would be pressure sensitive. [TS]

  Put that together without any actual knowledge. You know I'm saying you know. [TS]

  And for point like I mean you saw to be lucky still have to you know that still that was correct like those things [TS]

  matched up on not thing but it's the type of thing that was guessable with not too much. You know. [TS]

  If you tried to come up with the rumor that was plausible you could have staked your reputation on that and say well. [TS]

  I feel pretty good about it I'll probably use the same term if they don't know well. [TS]

  And the second thing about the hub. That was announced the idea that there's going to. [TS]

  If the government rumors were right which they were. And as things just going to have one port on it. [TS]

  The idea that there will be a whole bunch of different adapters you can plug into that sun which will have multiple [TS]

  U.S.B. Ports kind of like hub is also kind of a gimme but they didn't but Apple didn't announce that. As we discussed. [TS]

  It's very rare that anyone who's going to leak knows when our products are going to be announced. Right. [TS]

  So it doesn't mean this part doesn't exist. [TS]

  But it does mean that this project is not announced at that keynote and that was specifically this tipsters prediction. [TS]

  So I guess I'm going to give like a. I have your less than fifty percent grade. [TS]

  Because it's like two predictions one came true [TS]

  but the one that came true was guessable in the one the didn't was the quote unquote most interesting one that will [TS]

  just put this in the back burner for now and see if the however comes out. [TS]

  But it just goes to show even when you get boring rumors you can count on them being right. [TS]

  Yeah I would I would I would give them a better grade. I would say more like you know. Sixty seven percent. [TS]

  So I don't want to deal with reading numbers. [TS]

  You know what was interesting to me about the follow up email we got from this tipster was that this individual seemed [TS]

  utterly convinced that it was a thing because it was something that they claim to have seen at work. [TS]

  And I'm maybe they've worked on it maybe they haven't [TS]

  but you know it's something that they're so confident in existing that they said it's going to happen. [TS]

  It's just a matter of when and those are my words but that was kind of the message we got. [TS]

  And so I thought that was interesting and it's kind of Granted if if if you were fabricating all this [TS]

  and wanted to string us along that's exactly what you would say however I thought it was interesting in the way they [TS]

  talked about things I'm not gonna read this for beta but the way they talk about things that certainly sounded like. [TS]

  It sounded to me like it was genuine but I mean how can you really tell it's an e-mail. [TS]

  Saw I'm curious to see what happens of the next six months or so [TS]

  and to see if maybe this hub thing is A is A is the real deal or not. [TS]

  I think even if the steps there is one hundred percent authentic I think they don't understand how products get release [TS]

  like say We hundred percent believe them in the day they've seen this. [TS]

  You know tons of people an apple [TS]

  and thought Apple have it's all over the place in till the day they ship it at any point Apple could say you know it [TS]

  now we're not going to this one right. And you know how can you say you know. [TS]

  Just definitely will be shipping you know be sipping unless you're the one who makes a decision for it to ship right. [TS]

  I like even. [TS]

  Even if everyone thought Apple has this hub and has been testing it for months [TS]

  and months does not mean it's ever going to ship right. So that I feel like you know. [TS]

  If you have this information you shouldn't be like how can you so confidently assert unless you're trying to snow [TS]

  somebody that like. [TS]

  It's definitely going to ship it's going to be a thing until until something shipped it's not going to ship I mean even. [TS]

  Apple can put it up on their website and tell us the snow leopard going to have the FS abort [TS]

  but it still ships it doesn't it hasn't shipped right. That's true. I don't know how funny is the adapter the did ship. [TS]

  I mean it. Eighty dollars makes me stop laughing really fast. More because it's just it's so audition. [TS]

  I mean it's it's it's a myth this is amazing like. [TS]

  Yes I think this is I mean we're going to spend too much time on tips and tipsters [TS]

  but this is our experiment with tips. It was it was I recall it a bust it was not. [TS]

  It was a boring tip the didn't come under percent true true reluctant situation were like well they might know [TS]

  something I might not. Tips or barring that you know. We're probably on to this again. Oh well. [TS]

  Oh I like the so much more than you do here. [TS]

  So here's what I what I would love to play the my mark of your Took may be OK So I think there's some kind of law in [TS]

  California. Against soliciting people to break and V.A.'s so I don't want to do that. [TS]

  However I think it would be really funny. If we got. If it just became a thing that we got fairly accurate. [TS]

  Tips about the most boring Apple stuff awful about the packaging. Yeah. Like material of the packaging be. [TS]

  How many U.S.B. [TS]

  Ports the next mac mini will have like you sleep or eat like Ike and I'm sure there's far more boring stuff than that. [TS]

  Like you know what if the Airport Express gets gigabit like sort of like stupid little things. [TS]

  I would love it if we became like the place where people sent those tips to our show you know you can you can send [TS]

  Margaret all of the actual stuff anybody cares about. [TS]

  And you can send us the stuff that is so boring that you might even get fired for sending it to us because the it's [TS]

  that boring. Well to be fair if anyone is going to really get off on some sort of boring god awful. [TS]

  Ridiculous tippets probably the three of us. When it's that's a fair point. [TS]

  You know play to play your audience tipsters our first punch of this week is Caspar Casper's an online retailer premium [TS]

  mattresses for a fraction of the price. [TS]

  Whatever when I've gone to buy a mattress [TS]

  and I've done that a few times I was like we have a house so we had different a guest room [TS]

  and all sorts of stuff so I bought matters of maybe every ten years for some reason or five years. And. [TS]

  Every time it's. It's like. [TS]

  High pressure salesman just like a car dealership it's hilarious like how high pressure they are [TS]

  and kind of wheeling and dealing and. [TS]

  You know you always feel like you're overpaying because the prices are like extremely flexible. [TS]

  And oh well we can't produce count this but we can throw in a free pillow [TS]

  or something like this all this like wheeling and dealing you have to do to negotiate the various things [TS]

  and it just it's a crappy experience of for me but if one of you [TS]

  and that's not even to mention the actual trying of the mattresses which is you lie on this plastic covered mattress in [TS]

  a store for a few seconds I'm like OK. It's off the gas and you go on the next one and this is soft to I guess. [TS]

  Do I want you know. [TS]

  Pillow topping do I want it to be tall pillow topping do I you know there's so many it's so hard to know it [TS]

  and to choose. Kaspar you order it online and. This sounds. At first kind of crazy. You know what you can try it. [TS]

  They have a risk free trial policy. You can try to in your home for up to a hundred days. [TS]

  And if you don't like it actor that's more than three months if you don't like it after more than three months. [TS]

  You can call them. And they will arrange to have a picked up and give your refund. It's that easy. [TS]

  Now Catherine mattresses they're pretty sure we're going to like them because they provide resilience. [TS]

  Long lasting support of comfort they have. [TS]

  It's one of a kind because what they did was you know a memory foam by itself pure memory foam is polarizing a lot of [TS]

  people think it's like too hot or. [TS]

  You know not bouncy enough or whatever and you know pure other foams and pure springs can also be like pluses [TS]

  and minuses what they've done. They have a hybrid approach that combines the best a combined premium latex foam. [TS]

  With memory foam. To really give you the best of both worlds so they call it. Just the right sync. [TS]

  Just the right balance. So you have a lot of the same benefits of of pure memory foam. [TS]

  But without like the hotness that you get from it sometimes you know. And all this stuff is all made in America. [TS]

  So I've heard from that. John Syracuse has a Casper is that true Joe. [TS]

  Yeah I didn't get lonely and I had a code so I don't wait around to we had another code to buy it with and I did. [TS]

  And I just have one tidbit to add we all talk about the little box that comes in our expanded all the cool stuff. [TS]

  The box they send it in has a label on top of it that says different sizes like twin. [TS]

  Queen King whatever it is right there with and like with bought check boxes and you know. [TS]

  We got a small one so whatever was with twin twenty was checked off right. My question is if you get a king size one. [TS]

  Does it come in that same box next check off came. [TS]

  Because that will be even cooler because mine is there it's a twin sized bed [TS]

  and it's a small box you think wow I can't imagine twin size but [TS]

  and then you fit you open up the following instructions they give you like a letter opener told open the thing it [TS]

  expands it it's really cool. But all I can think about has how much cooler. B. [TS]

  Is if in that same box they sent you a king size one. And so much that would expand. [TS]

  And how much that would be compressed anyway. [TS]

  At the exciting Unfortunately you only get to do it once and write inflated. And I just becomes a really nice bed. [TS]

  And I was impressed it's really I don't like I don't typically like memory foam mattresses because I feel like they did [TS]

  I gripped me too much this one does not do that so if you've tried pure memory foam mattresses and don't like them. [TS]

  This mattress is not like that it's a nice kind of like hybrid between. Yep I agree. So all this is available at. [TS]

  Shockingly reasonable prices so. Normally you know a good mattress. [TS]

  Usually if you want some high quality to last like a decade or more and be good the whole time. [TS]

  Usually pain like fifteen hundred two thousand bucks or something like that. [TS]

  Casper mattresses cost between five hundred dollars for a twin. All the way up to nine fifty for a king now. Come on. [TS]

  I mean that's ridiculous Lee cheap nine fifty for a premium quality king size mattress. [TS]

  And that it's delivered to your house I mean that's crazy talk. They also if you go to Casper dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]

  and Use code. A.T.P. At checkout. [TS]

  You also get fifty bucks off so that you can have a king for nine hundred never clean for eight hundred full size [TS]

  or seven hundred I mean it's. These are incredibly good prices for high quality mattresses so check it out.. [TS]

  Casper dot com slash A.T.P. Thanks a lot once again to Casper. You really check it out it's an incredible deal. [TS]

  Free trial for one hundred days made in America. Just the right thing just the right balance Thanks a lot of Casper. [TS]

  So we should talk about the Apple event from Monday and. [TS]

  I don't know how you guys want to go through this I don't know if you want to do it in chronological order which would [TS]

  require one of us remember what do you want her to have hence were who cares. New Macbook. All right new Macbook. [TS]

  So what do we think. John you're the least likely one of us to buy one. [TS]

  A lot often leave the cases brought least likely you've got the old A smack in the one the one most in need of [TS]

  replacement right. I love that we're are going to well I probably do need to replace my. [TS]

  My personal mac and I know that I'm getting a new work mac because it's been three years now [TS]

  and that's apparently the cycle we're on. But now I don't. [TS]

  I don't suspect that I'm going to be buying a new MacBook sitting here now today. I use U.S.P. [TS]

  Often enough that I would want to have at least one if not a couple of ports. That being said. [TS]

  I only ever really use one U.S.B. Port at the time. [TS]

  So there's really no reason why couldn't get one of these absurd eighty dollars after his [TS]

  or the phantom hub that doesn't exist that will exist they may not exist. [TS]

  That our tipster talked about should provide you with to US beef. Right exactly. In theory that would be enough. But. [TS]

  I don't know. [TS]

  I just I think if nothing else I'd want something with a little more horsepower I know a lot of people then lamenting [TS]

  that. Apparently the. The performance characteristics are roughly on par with a twenty twelve macro care which. [TS]

  What with it being twenty fifteen. [TS]

  That's a little bit on the old side [TS]

  and as I'm once a by computers every three to four years usually I would want to a computer that's basically more than [TS]

  I would ever need today. So that in three or four years. [TS]

  It's exactly what I need now that's Was thing that you are not that I'm not the least likely to go [TS]

  and you probably are as I have an old next book air and I hear plays over this new one and. [TS]

  If it only just eliminated the scream of the fan as my kids play minecraft incessantly on it would be and I'm great. [TS]

  It does. It has an offense but I like the thing about this laptop. [TS]

  First of all the Garmin rumor was hundred percent right this is what they mocked up. [TS]

  I don't think I got anything wrong track that doesn't move it's got one part on the other side is headphones the [TS]

  keyboard is laid out just like I said it was its retina. Like hundred percent on the nose and. [TS]

  I have to think that it would have been a cooler keynote if we didn't know all that. [TS]

  There are they get one of them are exciting at saying oh yeah I got you know we got spoiled [TS]

  and it's not like Star Wars where you have a fighting chance I've been trying to avoid stories of spoilers [TS]

  and just by not going to movie sites and like you can pretty much do that [TS]

  but going to say I've had zero spoilers from Star Wars because out of her right but I mean I guess if I had. [TS]

  I don't think it would have been possible for me to avoid this. You know. It was just tweeted at me too much like. [TS]

  You know I don't mind I wasn't trying to avoid it I want to but it does take away from the event [TS]

  and the clamor of the event. [TS]

  But knows exactly what they said it was going to be we talked about this at length about you know if it does come with [TS]

  one port. [TS]

  Why why would it only have one port What do I get one point that I don't get with to port so many speculated a lot [TS]

  about it as it turns out Apple felt no reason to try to justify the decision to have one port. [TS]

  They barely even emphasize the fact that it has one port. [TS]

  They talked all about the attributes of the part which we talked about as well yes is. You know. The U.S.B. [TS]

  Three and with the Type C. [TS]

  Connector that can be reversible which we all like and you can put display over [TS]

  and we talked about all the something for that was all there [TS]

  but they did not even they didn't even they weren't defensive at all about the fact there was one of them. [TS]

  They didn't even emphasize a there was one of them. [TS]

  Like if you weren't paying attention you would just assume might assume there was one on the other side. [TS]

  They didn't emphasize the fact that they took away mags say they didn't say anything about. [TS]

  You know mags it was great but it's just too big to fit on that like they didn't they didn't give a reason [TS]

  or an explanation or talk about mag safe at all like it was just. This is the thing. [TS]

  They didn't even say how the thing would be charged obviously through the one part [TS]

  but they didn't they didn't emphasize that that [TS]

  and they didn't show it being plugged in they didn't show the power adapter as far as I can recall that certainly [TS]

  didn't. [TS]

  Didn't show you plug in that adapter into it like as far as Apple's presentation marking materials are concerned. [TS]

  This is a December the notebook never needs to be connected to anything like [TS]

  and we all know it plugs into charge whatever all the things that we talked about like. If this hadn't. [TS]

  If this product had not leaked. [TS]

  And we hadn't all like anyone is interested hadn't talked about it amongst ourselves for a long time. [TS]

  I think we want to watch that intro to you [TS]

  and said wait a second how do you power it in like we would have got you know. [TS]

  Because they want they did not emphasize. [TS]

  The things that are different about this notebook in terms of how it's powered. [TS]

  How many ports it has the right thing like that all they did was talk about the benefits of U.S.B. Type C. [TS]

  At with no discussion of the drawbacks. [TS]

  Which I thought was interesting because in the jobs are very frequently they felt the need to be proactively [TS]

  preemptively defensive about large changes like even to talk with a floppy drive [TS]

  or anything there was debris some kind of statement about you think you need to but you don't trust us you know. [TS]

  None of that here. It was just like this is what it is. And you know. It's the new MacBook. [TS]

  You know I have a couple more thoughts. [TS]

  When you guys ask you know what I buy one of these the chat room got particularly grumbly because I said oh this isn't [TS]

  the computer for me well yes I know that. [TS]

  But the whole point of this little thought exercise was what I'd buy one or would it serve my needs just yes or no. [TS]

  And I don't think the answer I think the answer's no. Additionally. You know people the chatter saying well. C.P.U. [TS]

  Performance isn't the issue. I would be so sure. [TS]

  Obviously if you were if you were compiling large projects than that could be C.P.U. Bound alumina Sara Lee. [TS]

  But either way especially for work specifically. Less so for home but for work. When you're living in a V.M. All day. [TS]

  Any extra bit of C.P.U. Power certainly helpful. [TS]

  And furthermore probably the biggest issue I have with this machine is that. Eight gigs of ram. [TS]

  I don't think is sufficient for the sorts of things that I do want to regular basis as specially at work especially [TS]

  running Windows the AM all the time. And there's no way to get more because there's no build to order option. [TS]

  So no matter how you slice it I don't really think this is for me. Additionally if you've ever. [TS]

  Transcode it in handbrake. You're obviously going to want something that has a little bit more C.P.U. [TS]

  Performance and two thousand and twelve MacBook Air. [TS]

  Not that I do that every day but I do it often enough that I'm going to want to have more C.P.U. [TS]

  Performance do I need it. [TS]

  Maybe not but I want to read mean I think that you know you can look at this machine and very obviously you can. [TS]

  You can know. You know if you're listening to the show. Chances are this is not going to be your main machine. [TS]

  Like anyone listening to the show if you're if you're enough into computers. [TS]

  If you're that a good chance a lot of a lot of our listeners are developers anyone listening to the show. [TS]

  This is probably not your main machine. Period. Like that's it. [TS]

  This machine is for a lot of the same reasons people bought eleven inch map of care so far [TS]

  and the leverage back book air was actually in some ways more capable because it had like you know a full thunderbolt [TS]

  expansion and everything and and more. [TS]

  You know more ports but for the most part of it had similar issues and some are limitations. People by eleven inch air. [TS]

  Mostly because either they're carrying a lot every day like on their shoulder on their back [TS]

  and they really need like the smallest weight possible. And or. They fly a lot especially the flying coach. [TS]

  Where the tray tables are so small and the person ahead of you like leans back. An inch. [TS]

  Which everybody sitting in front of me always does. The second point is like the second the wheels are off the ground. [TS]

  The seats in your face and. If that's the case and if you want to work on a plane. [TS]

  Pretty much the only laptop you can really get is the eleven and like a thirteen. Even have trouble. The fifteen. [TS]

  I know is I usually have a fifteen. There's pretty much no hope of using a fifteen on it on a coach tray table. [TS]

  So if you are. If you're flying a lot or if the weight. If the carry weight is extremely important to you then. [TS]

  This is a really good machine. As a travel machine or as a portable machine. If you're going to be doing. [TS]

  Like coding work on it though. Then it's really probably not for you because you know coding. Number of issues. [TS]

  For me the biggest issue is actually not the C.P.U. Speed it's the screen space. It has. [TS]

  It has a scale emo that allowed to go up to four hundred forty wide. Simulated. Which is the fifth. [TS]

  The native Reza the fifteen bulb fifteen goes higher and use of. It has a film on the go to that I don't know. [TS]

  You know how useful it will be I mean the fifty can scale up to one hundred twenty wide but it's toots. [TS]

  It's too tiny for me to use comfortably. And I have twenty twenty vision so far I mean. [TS]

  Not for long probably But right now I still have to I still have good vision [TS]

  and I can't you see that that's about that on Twitter that you know someone asked Do you think you could do a [TS]

  development on this [TS]

  and what I said is yeah probably question wasn't whether Marco could your development like can wonder development on [TS]

  this and. I think that the C.P.U. Of the RAM the screen space everything about it is sufficient to develop and i O. S. [TS]

  or Mac app. If you don't know any better and if you don't know how much faster it is on a faster mac. [TS]

  It's fine like it will get the job done. [TS]

  You'll wait longer for compile your windows will be more compressed you won't be able to do have the kind of layout [TS]

  that you may be accustomed to. But you will be able to do it this is as opposed to like. [TS]

  Is this a good machine for doing web development or you have to have five windows V.M.S. Running all the time. [TS]

  No it is not right because that is like that's a capability thing like there where you just it's just a no go.. [TS]

  And by the way someone. John L. Two hundred one to rush friend I guess in the end the chat says. [TS]

  As is the swap makes RAM limits less important. [TS]

  I'm sure that there are people at Apple that think that that they are not thinking clearly are not engineers. Like. [TS]

  Technically it makes it less important than it was. But it is still super duper important. [TS]

  Like the difference in speed between disk and as a city is huge the difference in speed between RAM and S.S. [TS]

  The also still remains huge. So having only eight gigs of RAM don't assume well. [TS]

  It's taking the RAM but it's all as is the end as if these are really fast so it's not so bad you. You cannot run five.. [TS]

  Windows seven V.M.S. For different versions of I.E. All the same time and this and not suffer. Yeah. Right. [TS]

  It's not just it's just not going to happen for you right. So I think you can do I always development. [TS]

  You can't do anything that really really really needs more than a gig for I just think the EMS could have something for [TS]

  my work life from counseling running. Tons of V.M.S. [TS]

  In a matter how many how small you make them like they can tend to be very big and disk space. [TS]

  Similar like you try to keep the V.M. [TS]

  Small but as they proliferate they start to fill up your desk [TS]

  and you realize you're spending half your disgust of it when those vans. [TS]

  And if you put them in external this where you going to build decks around dusk and I got a novel blah blah blah. [TS]

  So it's not. [TS]

  Machine for development but you can get it done [TS]

  and I really think that there are a lot of people who like I bet a lot of the most amazing apps that we all use. [TS]

  Were developed especially if it's like a developers for a stop [TS]

  or develop on Macs that we would all consider like insufficient to do to develop [TS]

  and all I need a really fancy fast computer it's like you really want to really fancied asking Peter. [TS]

  But sometimes you just gotta make do with what you have [TS]

  and you can actually get it done you'll just wait longer for compiles and go make of coffee. You know right. [TS]

  And also I mean you know keep in mind those things do move forward like Xcode. [TS]

  Now running on hardware from seven years ago. [TS]

  Is not going to be as good as Xcode seven years ago was running on that hardware. You know like like X. [TS]

  Code has gotten bigger and the compiler has gotten bigger. If you. If you use any swift swift. [TS]

  Is much slower to compile then you just see so far I don't know if they fix that entirely with the incremental compact [TS]

  compilation anyway. [TS]

  At least was the simulators are larger like they need more screen space to show an accurate simulator. [TS]

  Because the i OS devices have gotten larger. And like all and. [TS]

  Now you have possibly the watch simulator next to the I O. S. Simulator. And all these windows that to be open. [TS]

  God help you if you want to documentation window also I mean there's that the in and you have the organizer [TS]

  and you're submitting things to i Tunes connect I mean like there's there's a lot of like screen space needs. [TS]

  We're doing modern R.S. Development. [TS]

  And they keep increasing as the hardware gets bigger and the simulators get bigger [TS]

  and you have more things you need to do so again you're right John. If you want to do development you know. [TS]

  Whatever you say oh well this kind of computer is not suitable for development. [TS]

  You'll instantly get tons of replies people saying. I have one of those my development just fine. And yes the. [TS]

  You can do it but it's all like you can do it but it's a lot nicer if you have you know more screen space. [TS]

  or more RAM and a faster C.P.U. [TS]

  And it's best not to know how much faster things are faster you're going to one of the new go back to the other one [TS]

  you're like oh I can't do this whereas if you just don't know. [TS]

  The first I know a lot of people like back in the day like they got their very first mac [TS]

  and whatever they were doing was that they were just super happy because like wow I really like it shiny it. [TS]

  It's neat it can do something I can do something with that I couldn't do before. [TS]

  And they have no other mac to compare it to speed wise right. Like they're doing an all new thing like. [TS]

  How do they compare how long it takes to make a D.V.D. and I'd even if they'd never made a D.V.D. [TS]

  Before and a little they know that same task of like you know making the D.V.D. At the end could be like five X. [TS]

  Faster on a big fancy Mac. [TS]

  It's like well you can't use that to make the videos they don't know they can't let you know that as far as they're [TS]

  concerned this is just how long it takes so if you've never built and i OS app. And your you know. [TS]

  Cook build and run it takes a certain amount of time you just like I guess that's the amount of time it takes [TS]

  and honestly. [TS]

  It probably takes way longer than you would think it would ever take and I think of years like if you've never done. [TS]

  If you never compiled ending before like wow I guess compiling takes a long time. [TS]

  But whatever time your first mac takes you're like. All right. And you know. This is like a twenty twelve mag book air. [TS]

  Which is not particularly fast to begin with but just you know people people just deal with it. [TS]

  I mean like I've mentioned before I had one of the one of the very first generation based model netbook airs in two [TS]

  thousand and eight. [TS]

  And that was you know the one point six bigger it's really really slow processor that whatever he for a lot of people [TS]

  like. I had that. [TS]

  I developed Instapaper partly on that when I was on the train going to [TS]

  and from tumblr I'll be working on Instapaper in Xcode on that mac book air the first gen that everybody hated. [TS]

  I did it. [TS]

  It sucked a but I did it and I knew it sucked those go to home to the computer [TS]

  but John is still using today is going to that. Awesome macro. [TS]

  So I knew [TS]

  but mainly that the issues I have always had with doing developing work on lab hasn't always screen space first [TS]

  performance is you know. Inconvenient. When it's really bad like an apple care but for the most part. [TS]

  Screen space in the way of my limiting factor. And so from that point of view. You know look this machine. [TS]

  If you're worried about screen space. If you're worried about performance. If you worried about the number of ports. [TS]

  This is not the machine for you period. [TS]

  That's it like you can get it if you really want to because it's really sexy and light like you can get it. [TS]

  But it's not the best choice for you. [TS]

  I would say you know a lot of people have not really given this a lot of a lot of credit [TS]

  but the the update to the thirteen inch Retina MacBook Pro at the same time which is already available people already [TS]

  dissembled it. The update to that. I think is really interesting as well because you know. [TS]

  It is not like to know where the computer. It is not like they don't. [TS]

  They don't replace that never goes who so great all I want to buy one of those immediately like no one on C.N.N. [TS]

  Is talking about thirteen and threaten a MacBook Pro. [TS]

  I was excited about I've always thought that's been a great machine. Like just a great compromise between. [TS]

  You know it's gotten so thin over the years once the thirteen started to get is like as thin as almost as than as an [TS]

  errand [TS]

  and they get the fact that they gave it the new trackpad on a screen has always been good I've always said that that's [TS]

  a great machine but you're right it's not. It doesn't make headlines. [TS]

  But it is it is like the middle of the wildly to me there's three. MAC books worth getting really like these days. [TS]

  I used to say that there's an age right now I mean if there isn't a chair. [TS]

  Was like the default one to get these days I'm not so sure these I think I think I would say if they're going to retina. [TS]

  It would be like the default one elk if you don't have any specific needs huge talent general purpose all. [TS]

  All things OK. Get their training thread I would say the thirteenth reading or this one. Depending on who is buying it. [TS]

  Well it may be OK But so this one. [TS]

  Like this one I think as I said I think this one directly replaces the eleven inch MacBook Air and. [TS]

  I think the thirteen inch retina. Kind of already replaced a thirteen inch MacBook Air. And then the fifteen inch. [TS]

  Retina. [TS]

  You know that's I think those are the three laptops that are worth getting this new one for those super fordable [TS]

  thirteen inch retina for normal fifteen inch retina for pro. That's like. [TS]

  If you have if you need to the pro things which is the more screen space the more horsepower The more you know the some [TS]

  different ports for the most part are talking about screen space and horsepower. Our. [TS]

  I did say last time I was thinking about buying one of these things. Now I'm not so what changed you. [TS]

  I started thinking about. [TS]

  When I actually use my laptop and you know what I had said last time [TS]

  when I find that I'm that I'm not frequently getting coding work done every year. [TS]

  Whenever I go on on trips I'm not getting coding work done as much as I want to. [TS]

  And therefore I can go with a smaller screen space. [TS]

  I started thinking you know the times I do go on trips where I do need to get significant worked on like one of the [TS]

  biggest ones. Is W.D.C. Every year. Where I often need to do coding work for labs and stuff. [TS]

  Or install a new bed as in testing stuff. And in the last few years I've I've edited the show. [TS]

  And so I have like pod cast editing which I love having tons of screen space for because logic is a massive screen [TS]

  space hog. So I pod cast editing. And I have Xcode on this one trip I take every year and. [TS]

  I don't take that many trips. And this is one where like. If I had the small screen. I could do those things on it. [TS]

  But I would really regret not having the fifteen during those times. [TS]

  I'm going to wait until broad Welcome to the fifteen inch and probably just buy one of those because. It would. [TS]

  It would kill me if I spent those trips in the next few years. [TS]

  Using this title screen [TS]

  and just kicking myself saying Man I wish I could just would've just gotten a fifteen because what I'm doing these few [TS]

  important things I really really need it. What I would like to know is who is this computer for. [TS]

  What is the target audience for this computer and. I'm thinking about it and I'm thinking well. Why would I buy this. [TS]

  Who would I buy it for and why would I buy it. The first person the comes to mind. Of course is Aaron and. [TS]

  I got her a mac book error. For her birthday last year. [TS]

  So then I thought to myself OK what would stop her from using this would D.C.P. [TS]

  Performance absolutely not would the disk space Absolutely not. She stores nothing on her computer. [TS]

  But what she does have hanging off of her MacBook Air is a couple of Fitbit adapters one to charge with [TS]

  and one that is like the general communication little nubbin thing. That's a technical term. And obviously. [TS]

  She could charge the Fit Bit. By way of saying. I Phone charger. [TS]

  Or something like that [TS]

  but if she wanted to fit to communicate with her computer not with her phone which I believe is an option as well I [TS]

  don't have a fit some talking a little bit out of my comfort zone. She would still need at least one. Traditional U.S.B. [TS]

  Port and. That would require one of these ridiculous eighty dollars or eighty dollars down goals. [TS]

  And that's kind of unfortunate but if it wasn't for her Fit Bit say hypothetically if she had Napal watch. [TS]

  She would pretty much never plug in any US be. Device for any reason whatsoever. Now. [TS]

  The other obvious ot I had was what about students [TS]

  and people in the chatter saying that as well so that makes sense to. And granted I hadn't been student. [TS]

  But last time I was anywhere near students U.S.B. Drives you know. [TS]

  Thumb drives whatever you would like to call them were a big thing. And people were using them. A lot. [TS]

  Now that doesn't mean that will continue tomorrow. It doesn't mean that. It'll be that way forever but today. [TS]

  Not being able to use a thumb drive without a freakin eighty dollars adopter that's kind of crummy So you know who is [TS]

  this for is it for these quote unquote business people at my job you know the project managers [TS]

  and the other business consultants. Maybe. But again I mean. Thumb drives are thing. And I'm. [TS]

  I don't see that going away soon. So who is this machine really for. [TS]

  Well again I think it's people who fly a lot in coach or fly a lot anywhere [TS]

  but it's mostly valuable compared to laptops in coach. So people who file in coach and also. [TS]

  If you're carrying around so like if you're the kind of person who walks around your office all day going in [TS]

  and out of meetings Internet a congressman you're constantly carrying a laptop with you during that time to take notes [TS]

  on or check e-mail or whatever people do in meetings I really have no idea. It's like that is what this is for. [TS]

  This is not for sitting on a desk being plugged in all day. I mean you can even tell like. I think one of the. [TS]

  One of the reasons why the lack of mag safe is less of a problem or that Apple may be thought it was worth. [TS]

  Or it was OK to get rid of it is because this really obviously isn't made to be use a desk all day. Doesn't have the. [TS]

  The connectivity or the horsepower the screen space related to do that very well I think this is really. [TS]

  This is made to be used. Out in about. While traveling walking around whatever the case may be and so. [TS]

  This to me it's like. The reason why why it charges through U.S.B. Port and not something that can be torn off. [TS]

  Is because i Pads and i Phones charge that way and this is meant to be used the same way. This is. [TS]

  This is meant to be like you charge it up at night. You know you plug it in when you're done at the end of the day. [TS]

  And when you're using it. [TS]

  You're moving around somewhere you're picking it up off the table you're in an airplane whatever it's not plugged in. [TS]

  Just like an i Pad whether that's going to pan out to be useful that way [TS]

  but you know whether the battery was going to be that good like. You know want to C.P. [TS]

  You is is very under powered for the task you're asking it to do. [TS]

  It's going to be no it's going to be hitting one hundred percent a lot [TS]

  and going to say one percent for longer as it's going through those tasks. [TS]

  And so the battery life minded to being really bad. If you're if you're hitting it very hard at all. [TS]

  We'll see if that's the case with this modern modern chips are pretty good about that kind of stuff so. [TS]

  Might be less of an issue but for the most part. [TS]

  I think that's that's probably what Apple was at least thinking in the tablet most usage will bear out if you're using [TS]

  this just like for notes and web and email and stuff. [TS]

  You're not going to really be hitting anything that hard especially feed on small flash. You know. [TS]

  I think it's meant to be used like an i Pad which is away from its cable all day. Plugged in at night. [TS]

  And you know time will tell whether that in the being realistic. [TS]

  Yeah you know I think you're probably right and more real time follow up. [TS]

  I'm getting from Robert Thomas on Twitter I've been a university student for six years I think the last time I used to [TS]

  fundraise was four years ago so guess what I'm old [TS]

  and who was in the chat somebody in a chat I've lost your name I apologized a void. [TS]

  Pointed out that there is a street U.S.P. Traditional U.S.B. Adapter for only twenty dollars. [TS]

  And you can't power at the that's true but as I just said you know it does. Theoretically have all day powers. [TS]

  So maybe maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree here and you know. [TS]

  It's certainly possible but I don't know it's just a flash flood some drives are going to come with Type C. [TS]

  Connectors soon enough because Type C. Will rapidly replace the old U.S.B. I think on basically everything.. [TS]

  So yeah in the same way H.D.M.I. Is replacing V.G.A. [TS]

  I would say many display board I mean like all the max you know me and anyway. [TS]

  Look you can type on this and so I want to talk about the limitations of this device [TS]

  and by talking about the limitations I think we'll get to we'll get to the. [TS]

  The heart of who this machine is for and I want to alter going to try to talk about the limitations and it's usually. [TS]

  You know you shouldn't speak in a defensive way about things I'm trying I'm going to try to preempt the tweets that I [TS]

  know already being about things based on past comments because I keep getting people trying to explain to me why this [TS]

  thing has one part [TS]

  or whatever Arnie said that in the keynote Apple did not feel the need to talk about why this thing only has one part [TS]

  at all no justification for it. The key sort of preemptive defense a point I want to get to is that.. [TS]

  I'm OK with this thing. Only having U.S.B. Type C. I expect the things don't have U.S.B. [TS]

  Type certainly like the air is there anything era sized right. I'm OK with everything about their missing. [TS]

  Getting rid of Macs safe. Getting rid of all the of the ports. Not having dedicated video out like. [TS]

  Because this is the super thin skinny machine the promise of us P.C. [TS]

  If you don't have to have fifty different ports like. It is better to just have one type of Fort. [TS]

  Then to have a million different ports. I'm OK with everything about this. Except I want. [TS]

  The only point was I want to explanation of what do I get with one that I don't get with TWO lot of people are saying [TS]

  there's not room for two in here. Well. [TS]

  It's not as if the case is imposed on them by another manufacturer they choose sides of the case. [TS]

  They can make any dimension of this one or two or three millimeters water to make room for another one. [TS]

  Even within the existing case. [TS]

  It's possible that they could have wedge another one in the other side and move the headphone board or whatever [TS]

  but even if they couldn't. They make the case. They can decide. [TS]

  You know whether there should be two it does also doesn't mean that there isn't a reason. [TS]

  There isn't some advantage you get with want. People have suggested still just the power things that. [TS]

  Maybe powering to port. [TS]

  Would would cause a problem maybe the circuitry to handle two ports like beings you'd want to be able to charge from [TS]

  both ports right. [TS]

  Maybe the circuit she revealed to handle that makes things too big if you look at the inside you look at how much they [TS]

  shrunk down the motherboard. There's not a lot of room in there right again. [TS]

  Apple chooses the size of these things so it's not you know. If Apple decided they want to have two U.S.B. [TS]

  Type seaports they could have the fact that it this serves as power as well. [TS]

  Which means that you can't use the thing sort of charger devices which many people have laptops do like they sit down [TS]

  to the desk they plug a thing and they charge devices one need haven't done before ever. [TS]

  So my only issue with the ports on this is that no one has that Apple has not given an official explanation for why [TS]

  there is only one and not to write. [TS]

  And I don't see any advantage to having only one port not to I see tons of advantages for not having on the other ports [TS]

  like I understand that direction I understand that eventually this thing will probably have no ports. [TS]

  Except some kind of magnetic snap on inductive charging thing when we get to that point right. [TS]

  I understand this is forward looking understand all the stuff about the people are going to tell me you don't [TS]

  understand it just like the original not bigger Yes yes totally agree one hundred percent. [TS]

  Question is why can they fit another one is because they're so small. They're so tiny. [TS]

  You could surely find someplace for another one and less to some reason that your not have one. [TS]

  So right now I'm going with that it's a philosophical statement. [TS]

  And that merely having one port will look like a backwards thing. In the future. [TS]

  If we just think of it as like a power type thing and fact. [TS]

  The thing is going to be old [TS]

  and this is driven headphone port which we don't seem to be able to get rid of because that is the most like old school [TS]

  archaic you know around like Soon it will be the biggest port authority the widest part I think it's not I mean like [TS]

  the highest court. You know what I mean like I think it's higher than U.S.B. Type C. but It's not as wide or whatever. [TS]

  Anyway. That that my complaint about it. [TS]

  Hello everyone of these still stands mostly because I don't see what you would have lost by putting another single [TS]

  U.S.B. Type seaport somewhere else on those and she on the other side or something. So that's one them attention and. [TS]

  Talked about it they shared in the video they tried to spin it is a positive. [TS]

  Look at the school switch mechanism the keys don't bounce I like that video I thought that was good marketing. [TS]

  Like the slow mo with the fingers and the while bling [TS]

  and everything like even if it doesn't matter like it just the old one looks old in Boston as we look new and shiny. [TS]

  But that's not a lot of travel. [TS]

  Apple did not feel the need to emphasize the fact that there is less travel here and might take getting some used [TS]

  and I also feel like that's something that in the past. The past Apple might have felt some need to say. [TS]

  There's less travel and it might feel weird at first but you used to it and actually it's You'll type faster on this. [TS]

  And I've heard people say who have typed on this on the. You know it at the event that. It does feel weird. [TS]

  But they're surprised at how fast they go that I think Jason Isbell or maybe it was Jason [TS]

  or someone else said that it was kind of like a hybrid between a physical keyboard [TS]

  and typing on the i Pad keyboard where nothing actually moves. [TS]

  I don't know if this is a good compromise our good limitation or like is it actually a positive or negative. [TS]

  But at the very least it's something where people are or probably going to want to go to an Apple store and type on [TS]

  and see how you feel about it. Oh definitely I would I would not like. Pre-order one of these things that typing on it. [TS]

  Yeah I agree. The spacing look OK. Like Marco said that the rumor that the spacing is tighter. I can't tell. [TS]

  But I bet if you're a super good touch typist you'll go into the Apple store [TS]

  and you'll be able to kind of feel it like the keys feel a little bit off for your whatever. [TS]

  But I have some confidence that this would this will be OK but I'm. [TS]

  I don't I'm definitely going to be Apple Store and try it. We talked about the. [TS]

  The arrow keys in the past you know based on the rumors the market Berman surgery Zach the right the left in the right [TS]

  arrow keys are full size keys and only the up and down are half size. [TS]

  And I once again complained about that why can't I get full size up down and left or right arcades. [TS]

  The answer is kind of battery related which is another limitation I got to in a second [TS]

  but also as I said you know it's Johnny Ive does not want a symmetrical. [TS]

  Cut out for the keyboard like he is big on symmetry. [TS]

  I like the false I love to write our keys that's better than nothing [TS]

  but I was excited by the fact if you look at his keyboard you don't you have like a screenshot of this keyboard up [TS]

  right now. Go to the site and take a look at it. I was excited by the fact. [TS]

  Member [TS]

  and maybe excited in evil way that somehow somebody force Johnny I have to put something asymmetrical on this keyboard. [TS]

  If it is. Oh I see what you mean. [TS]

  They spar is not center yes the space bar is not centered on the track then of course keyboards have tons of things [TS]

  that are asymmetrical for historical reasons [TS]

  and you know like the tab key is not the same with is this like the keyboards on telly symmetrical but putting the. [TS]

  The space. The off center space bar right next to the exactly centered trip. [TS]

  Trackpad really emphasizes the fact that one of these things is asymmetrical. [TS]

  Now the outline is still a perfect rectangle and again for battery reasons. [TS]

  More than anything else on this particular machine you can't do that but I still long for on the fifteen inch. [TS]

  Full size our keys that are bumped I know it would be uglier. [TS]

  I understand that it would break up the symmetry of the design. But like the fact that like you know. [TS]

  Form over function that is more important for it to be aesthetically pleasing it is for me to fall size up [TS]

  and down Archy's means that I will never want to do programming on on a laptop keyboard not that I really want to [TS]

  anyway. But no I did a half size are accused me nuts and maybe people don't use the argues as much as programmers and. [TS]

  I've never I mean you know I will nitpick anything I've never had a problem with that. I can't stand by me. [TS]

  I miss hit them. [TS]

  I just I don't like it at all [TS]

  and you know if you use vi keys to who need the arrow keys of use emacs keybindings who they are keys [TS]

  but I used the arrows both in combination with modifiers to move around documents. [TS]

  And so I don't like to have to have our kids not to be overeager. [TS]

  It's not into anything new with this thing and in fact this machine has more excuse than any other machine. [TS]

  To not move those things down because of the incredible shallowness of the of the enclosure. [TS]

  If you move them down you would be cutting into the batteries precious battery space [TS]

  and that brings me to the final run of the final talk about a track that I guess they were the final limitation I [TS]

  really want to like emphasize here. [TS]

  The battery where they feel shows up their top Shauna's about the scallop to the terrorist battery thing where like [TS]

  look if we tried to find a regular battery would stop here but we've made a layered batteries [TS]

  and we can fill up more of the space. And as I tweeted at the time I saw that. [TS]

  You know what else would give you more room for battery fill up. Tapering the damn. Then if you did. Make it perfectly. [TS]

  It's barely tapered as it is you're just taught your and yourself the original one of the wedge shape. [TS]

  The when shape was part of the aesthetic right the original one is like it's you know. [TS]

  Oh it's a wedge [TS]

  or whatever it is barely a wedge all you're doing is making your own life worth if you made this thing the same [TS]

  thickness from front to back. Think of how much more battery it's not like in significant amount of battery. [TS]

  The batteries in this are so slim and so skinny [TS]

  and so tiny like that not tapering it could give you like thirty forty percent more battery and. [TS]

  Here's the thing about this chip that which everybody is using There was like you know this P.C. [TS]

  Laptops out with this one as of the core. [TS]

  And whatever it is he that Dell is the thirty things like borderless a Dell that would actually looks really nice like [TS]

  I wish they would have done that and some of them have some of them have like eighteen hours of battery life [TS]

  and again you know. Apple taking credit we've done this without a fan of like. Well. [TS]

  Intel kind of it for like you cannot you know. If you did not have this chip. [TS]

  You cannot make it fanless Yes it is a feat to make a fan list but there are lots of P.C. [TS]

  Makers using the same chipset getting insane battery life like literally eighteen hour battery life. Right. [TS]

  And people are hoping less you about Apple can get this. Apple instead went for thinness. [TS]

  They're like the mac book errors. They get like. [TS]

  You know thirteen to fifteen hours of battery life out of them easy this one get less it gets nine hours about your [TS]

  life with a super low powered chipset why. Because it's so damn thin. [TS]

  They don't have enough room to put any battery and they they're going backwards they're going to the sort of the. [TS]

  The i Pad philosophy of like. What is an acceptable level of battery we think nine hours is acceptable. Right. [TS]

  Therefore make it is that if you can keep nine hours right and they did. [TS]

  Which is spine it's a particular trade off but put the taper. That's what kills me. [TS]

  Like the taper is no longer I think a strong aesthetics of us. [TS]

  I don't see what advantage paper gives for carrying it [TS]

  but I find it more I find it less comfortable to hold by like that skinny edge [TS]

  or we have to turn with the fatted down like doesn't. [TS]

  It also by the way it makes it harder to open the lid like need like two hands I mean I haven't tried one of these yet [TS]

  but usually like with the skinny. See the layers. You need to. And open the lid because like. [TS]

  It's like so fully intend on the end so lightly. [TS]

  Pulls both sides of you know I mean that may be true about the about even if you made a descent that the hallway [TS]

  through [TS]

  but you know like in the first computer to use this super duper low power five watt chipset to have it not be at least [TS]

  comparable to the old Eris is disappointing and it is it is a reasonable trade off. [TS]

  And I agree with making things then there I agree with everything they're doing is just that one think it's found in [TS]

  the stickiness I feel like the wedge shape is no longer. Giving you the ass that a boost. [TS]

  Needed to justify the battery that it is shaving away from you yet [TS]

  and the chat room is pointing out that you know obviously batteries add weight. [TS]

  And so if they didn't taper it and filled the extra space of the batteries. [TS]

  It would make a heavy like that but I'm thinking at this size. Be two point one pounds two point two. Yeah. [TS]

  I mean most of the way you're talking about like the enclosure and stuff on the screen I don't think. [TS]

  I don't think the diff the difference in batter they would be a significant weight increase. [TS]

  It could be less not less way [TS]

  but it could be comparable it because if you look at this machine like getting a saw to sort of like wow look how much [TS]

  battery is because you know they made the mother balsa motherboard super small so it's like all trackpad [TS]

  and battery right. This machine I'm I'm going to guess this machine. Volume wise has more aluminum them battery. [TS]

  You know what I mean because they have. They can't make the walls of the. [TS]

  They can't make a limb too thin or are you going to have been get with the with him. Miramax book right. [TS]

  Especially as it tapers if you look like a cross section they show that is in any way accurate. [TS]

  There I think there is more volume of aluminum in this device. [TS]

  Even just in the bottom part more volume of aluminum than volume of battery maybe I don't that that may be pushing it [TS]

  but the sidewalls can't be that then they have to be certain techniques for structural integrity. [TS]

  There is very little room left in these things for battery. Right. And that paper could be cutting your battery. [TS]

  Room in half by the time you get to that tapered edge of the thing. [TS]

  So I think it's OK for there to be a machine with these compromises. I would just also like to see a. [TS]

  You know I mean that's why I talk about a thirteen inch thirty inches basically the non tapered air but like twice [TS]

  or three times as thick [TS]

  and that's why I think it's important because what we're saying basically like Apple already makes a computer that's [TS]

  not tapered but still really small and has a full travel dept he board. [TS]

  It's a thirty day threaten a map of pro ride but it's not like. [TS]

  I feel like if you made a non tapered version of the new MacBook. [TS]

  It would still feel like a different class of machines in a thirteen because they would have the weak C.P.U. [TS]

  It would have like that's more limitations right so the what is the name of the chipset I keep getting it wrong is that [TS]

  the the core M I believe so whatever it is the five watt integrated really small low power chipset that turbos up to [TS]

  two point one gigahertz But Star thought at one point one like. [TS]

  It's five watt that's what you're getting That's how you can have a fan listening right that is a limitation of this [TS]

  machine. [TS]

  And you get dividends that limitation fan listeners I am although hard for that like I love it I love the fact that I [TS]

  even love the fact that they tried to hide the antenna internally of the performance that tennis great no big black. [TS]

  You know plastic thing the fact that it's all metal the fact that it's all sealed up I must wish I could make it [TS]

  waterproof at this point right. I love that about this machine. [TS]

  And I feel like you made this exact machine [TS]

  but with no taper it would still feel like an entirely different class of machine and then the thirteen [TS]

  and even though the thirty inches only like you know. [TS]

  Six millimeters thick or something like that does the thirty minutes like is that focus. Travel. Real chipset. [TS]

  You know I mean. Fans right. Ports like it would still feel like a different class of machine and. [TS]

  You know so let's look at who this machine is for. [TS]

  I'm you know I'm always trying to get my parents a better computers because I hate supporting them on their ancient [TS]

  like white i Books or whatever the hell they're using it on human. Tired thinking about it. [TS]

  I think it would be a great machine for my parents because they don't do anything that. [TS]

  So demanding that this machine can do well for them and. [TS]

  It is they don't need like eighteen hour battery life nine hours is plenty for them. [TS]

  It has fewer things that can go wrong as fewer moving parts it has no fans [TS]

  or have to worry about them suffocating it was like Puppy pillows when I have it on their their lap on the couch [TS]

  or something and it's so small that they could move around like the manila envelope. [TS]

  I think this would be a good machine for than. [TS]

  If they can tolerate the keyboard and if they're not freaked out by the if they have ticked for such type thing. [TS]

  And by the way. All the people who were at the event who tried. The keyboard of course actually. [TS]

  The keyboard everybody was a little polarized on. But the. The trackpad everyone seemed to love. I mean everyone. [TS]

  I didn't hear a single bad thing. [TS]

  By the track that I have I am fully willing to believe that it's awesome I'm in fact I'm hoping that again is another [TS]

  reason I'm going to recognize my parents my mom likes to have to click. [TS]

  You know I can't stand Capitol Hill that machine uses tap to click right [TS]

  and so this is going to be awesome because it's basically like adjustable tap to click right. Where it's. [TS]

  She's not going to accidentally hit it. And you can adjust how much force I think it requires to like to do the thing. [TS]

  I think this track that is going to be great [TS]

  and you know that's why I'm excited to see it in a thirteen inch I think the non-moving track bad could be a real win [TS]

  because honestly I don't. I've never like. I don't like track that period. [TS]

  I didn't like the ones with the button on it [TS]

  when they got rid of the button I didn't really like the whole idea that the whole thing slanted including the part [TS]

  that I was tracing my finger over. [TS]

  So like you said all the reviews of this I'm in great [TS]

  and I'm willing totally willing to believe that they've nailed it on this trackpad and that. You know this will. [TS]

  In the same way that like trackpads replace trackballs and they were kind of weird the beginning that fell down like. [TS]

  Once Apple goes through this kind of track that everywhere once they inevitably at Forest touch all the I.R.S. [TS]

  Devices will be like how do we ever live without this then Thomson's in the chat saying that he has tried to keyboard [TS]

  and it does take some getting used to but you absolutely will and he also said that the trackpad is. [TS]

  And now I'm quoting mind blowing. So just like you said John everyone seems to love it. [TS]

  The other question I have which we only want a very quick to put in a very quick thought about is if the headphone jack [TS]

  is really that big and really causing that much extra thickness. I mean we have bluetooth headphones. That's the thing. [TS]

  But yet we don't seem to have embraced it yet do you guys see a future when a. [TS]

  They take away the headphone jack and say if you really want to listen to your computer get which is headphones [TS]

  and be that Marco is finally thus compelled to embrace Bluetooth headset. [TS]

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  Whether or not you think that the headphone port will eventually go away go away on the smack books [TS]

  or perhaps even i OS devices and. If they do. [TS]

  Does that mean you'll finally be compelled to embrace Bluetooth had phones. [TS]

  So I should start this by saying I haven't praise bluetooth headphones for travel slash mobile purposes [TS]

  but not for your desk. Correct. And I think many people would find a similar tradeoff because they have batteries. [TS]

  And they need to be charging So if you're sitting on a desk all day long [TS]

  and you're not moving around you're plugged into a computer on the desk. You know. [TS]

  Just go wired it's easier and they're they're lighter they're more comfortable because they're lighter. [TS]

  You know there's no big better than or anything so. [TS]

  Annual to charge them because you know bluetooth headphones battery life. [TS]

  And use range from a few hours to a lot of hours but you're not talking months. You know you're talking. [TS]

  If you actually use bluetooth headphones full time listen to music. Most of the day every day. As I do. [TS]

  How often do you need to recharge and every other day two days maybe. Yeah exactly. [TS]

  So you know you're talking talking substantial annoyance that. [TS]

  If you can get similar benefits from Wired might as well right. So bluetooth headphones though. [TS]

  Where I love them is like when I'm walking. [TS]

  So if I'm commuting or from walking the dog while commuting like on a train with her there do [TS]

  but if I'm doing that I'll bring him. If I'm walking the dog I bring them on dog walks they're great. [TS]

  We are moving in a direction where they're going to become more more common [TS]

  and most of that's because of the Apple Watch in my opinion. Math books. Possibly losing headphone ports in the future. [TS]

  That's a distant secondary concern I think. I think the. The issue that we have. [TS]

  And what will hold Apple back here is that Bluefin headphones by nature. Are complicated devices. They they have. [TS]

  They have some kind of pairing interface they have R.F. They have batteries. Exactly and they have batteries. [TS]

  And so if you look at the kind of headphones Apple makes. [TS]

  And the kind of headphones most people use with their Apple devices did a little tiny white ear buds and. [TS]

  You can't make blue headphones that small they do have bluetooth year but they do exist but none of them are small [TS]

  and sleek as the apple ear buds because they can't be because they need somewhere to put a battery and. [TS]

  If the battery is that incredibly tiny it will last like an hour and said that. [TS]

  I don't think Apple would would deal with that very well. You also need to. [TS]

  You know have some kind of port on them to charge them I mean maybe inductive blah blah blah some day maybe probably [TS]

  not. [TS]

  Here's how they'll do it [TS]

  when they actually do it I think it will come a ventilator they'll be tiny little your bugs the have tiny little [TS]

  batteries and them. They'll be no ports on them at all the last about an hour or something close to that. [TS]

  And you'll stick them magnetically to some little recesses inside a tiny little mac book when you're not using them. [TS]

  Even if that was possible I would question all that I would say they would not do that because that sounds really [TS]

  clunky and I'm a member and they stuck to the remote to the side of the I'm back with magnets for the. [TS]

  Well yeah that's true that was a long time ago that I'm just like you know. [TS]

  That's that would be the Apple way to do it is that there's no you don't plug these little tiny things in you don't [TS]

  lose their I sucked your laptop right it would be. [TS]

  Because there is something very inelegant about even just the white ear buds the short cord [TS]

  and plug it in it sticks out the side your. Bluetooth there buds are more elegant but like Marco said you know. [TS]

  The battery problem batteries don't get better that fast and so you can't fit a big battery and there. [TS]

  You can only fit a small one and then your stuff with the recharging problem [TS]

  and you don't plug anything in to recharge from because that's Conky. [TS]

  So you could do inductive charge those tiny batteries [TS]

  but inductively charge really fast off of your mac book you just gotta find someplace to stick them on [TS]

  or in their current. But that's not in the near future I'm just thinking like your old stuff. Yeah I mean this. [TS]

  This is the problem like I think if I think Apple has run through the same calculus. [TS]

  If they could reasonably get rid of the headphone port. They would have already and. [TS]

  Maybe in the distant future they will but I think I don't think that's that time is like imminent. Everyone thought. [TS]

  Every single i Phone release that comes out. Everyone projects. [TS]

  This is the one we're going to get rid of headphone port. [TS]

  And they haven't yet [TS]

  and you have to ask yourself why the lighting the lighting part headphones I mean you could be that use the U.S.B. [TS]

  Port for headphones like that's how the get before they go wireless the probably end up whatever. [TS]

  Single port is left on the thing that will do everything including headphones [TS]

  and hopefully build you know their ear buds will have a little connectors are what I don't know. Right. [TS]

  And so then you see you have. [TS]

  There are so many issues with trying to get this now it's like trying to get Apple to read because that's what they [TS]

  would have to do if they get rid of half import they would have to basically replace their ear buds with something else [TS]

  and whether you have to fix it by a separately that sucks and all the sudden. You gotta spend like you know. [TS]

  Forty more dollars or fifty or whatever they would charge for probably more than forty [TS]

  but you know if you had to spend eighty more dollars on bluetooth headphones. [TS]

  That you know just to use your i Phone with a headset. You know it. It's not it's it's not great. [TS]

  So this is the problem is the. The Bluetooth headphone situation just by nature of needing batteries and. [TS]

  You know blue to have fun. They are they have a certain minimum size. And a certain minimum level of clunking this. [TS]

  And you know they need like a button a switch somewhere to turn them on and pair of them and everything it's. [TS]

  There's a there's a minimum level of clunking us to them that. I don't see Apple. Wanting to address. [TS]

  So badly to get rid of the headphone port. And that's not to say they won't eventually try this. [TS]

  I just I don't see this in the near future. And if they do release. [TS]

  Bluetooth headphones I think that would come before. [TS]

  A headphone port as your move from a prominent device like to have them like first have the hardware tested out a [TS]

  little bit. See if anybody buys them. See if anybody likes them. [TS]

  Because if they release an i Phone that can plug into any existing headsets. [TS]

  People going to freak out and much more so than having to buy new lighting cables like people are going to freak out [TS]

  and not the say that you know that doesn't keep Apple from doing things sometimes. [TS]

  But there's different degrees and different products [TS]

  and getting rid of a headphone jack on their most important product that. That would not be taken lightly. So again. [TS]

  Not saying this will never happen. But I don't see it happening soon. Now going back to the Macbook. [TS]

  I don't know I'm sure Apple has done some kind of research to know like how important this is I mean they. [TS]

  There's nothing stopping them from putting a U.S.B. [TS]

  Type sea port on the other side and just selling you know just like they have twenty dollars after the plug in U.S.B. [TS]

  Devices. Sell twenty dollars after that is a U.S.B. Sound interface. [TS]

  And I think that what's more I would not recommend that. Why why not because I think the use case for this. [TS]

  Everyone has a little ear buds from their phone i Phone of their i Pod [TS]

  and a lot of times you're working on a laptop in an environment where you want to watch some silly You Tube video that [TS]

  someone sent you but you don't want to sound coming out of the speakers. [TS]

  So you're plugging a little white ear buds or even just listening to music while you're you know typing away [TS]

  or doing your homework or whatever like you got to be able to just quickly plug in ear buds with no adapter. [TS]

  Or or have a wireless solution of those magical things that just you know quick on to the side of your thing [TS]

  or something I feel like that use case is more important than than than than a second part I thought I would never give [TS]

  up that phone port for a second U.S.B. See honestly that would be a bad trade because I see people do it all the time. [TS]

  All the time I see devoid of any kind of laptop not just skinny little white ones [TS]

  but any kind of laptop sitting in front of it. Plugging in their headphones. [TS]

  I mean it's common but you also if you plug in a lot of U.S.B. Things. [TS]

  You know it's common enough I agree but you know. I think one or one of two things of the case here. Either. [TS]

  They didn't of research and they know that like way too many people plug in their headsets and. [TS]

  You know make Skype calls listen to music. [TS]

  Because you know because it's a microphone to abuse the head so there's no replacement like with the whole U.S.B. [TS]

  Thing and people plug in U.S.B. [TS]

  Stuff is always a replacement of those no replacement there's no you have to have some way to make your computer stop [TS]

  making noise [TS]

  but you hear the noises your computer makes everything else everything else it's like well I don't have a thumb drive [TS]

  but I can use Dropbox Well I don't I can't plug it in and power something. [TS]

  But I can buy his dongle adapter you need something you want automatic disconnection of the built in speakers. Yes. [TS]

  But you know if Apple made their own official US be Type C. [TS]

  Sound thing for twenty five thirty bucks or whatever role knowing them forty bucks. If they made that like. [TS]

  There's nothing stopping them from coding out into the O.-S. Where it automates is right now. [TS]

  Two different sound advice and all the switches logically all in software. You know it's. It already does that. [TS]

  So they could do that if they wanted to I think the more likely explanation for the headphone jack being there. [TS]

  Is that for other reasons. They only want to have one U.S.B. Seaport. [TS]

  And they figure well symmetry we have the space over here for a port. What. [TS]

  What single port in this size restriction can we put here. That would make some kind of logical sense. [TS]

  That would benefit some people. [TS]

  And that about and I would think that I was devices for debts that are far before the mac books too [TS]

  and whatever the I.R.S. Devices do to deal with that such as what the max would do eventually. Anyway. [TS]

  Yeah apparently I did not do enough. X. [TS]

  Pre explaining [TS]

  and pre-empting about something else then times in the chat rooms getting all feisty twitting alive with going to show [TS]

  will air later gigs or just under qualified to explain the new back book there and be qualified. [TS]

  But I think that Sarah Hughes is way off base. [TS]

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  If he's not wrong in sentiment he's wrong about what he thinks my position is so I will try to emphasize again that. [TS]

  The thing that is messed up about this machine was one port like it. The reason it's going to look weird and. [TS]

  Look back on as like an oddity and like a mistake. [TS]

  Is not because it has one part instead of two it's going to be look bad on. [TS]

  As an oddity and sort of a mistake because it has one part instead of zero. [TS]

  Like I totally agree that basically the main thing that's wrong with this is like i Pads don't have Fortnum. [TS]

  They never had parts and people complained in the beginning but by the lack of. [TS]

  You know what I mean the thirty pin connector doesn't count like that's the little that they do have one import that [TS]

  can charge and you can plug in devices. I know but you know like no no U.S.B. Port like an S.D. [TS]

  Card slot or expansion all the things that people would want to know that not true. The camera connection kit. [TS]

  I know but they don't have a portrait of have one the plug that you plug nothing on to like there is no. [TS]

  There is no plugging in a U.S.B. Keyboard there's no plugging and it is no S.D. [TS]

  Card slot there is actually a you can't the camera connection kit you can plug in lots of things I know [TS]

  but that's that's something I know what I'm saying. Also is the hope for the know. [TS]

  It's a proprietary port and it's not something that is the standard type of porn. [TS]

  You know what I mean what is going to look weird about this in the future is that it has but I still follow this. [TS]

  It's that it has one U.S.B. [TS]

  Port [TS]

  and not to what I'm trying to say is I'm tired of the onboard with the idea that the port to go away on this thing that [TS]

  we go down to one kind of port [TS]

  and then eventually there's no kinds of Port except for some proprietary thing that Apple makes up for a charge [TS]

  and whatever like that plugging things into your laptop would would not be a thing in the same way that playing through [TS]

  your i Pad isn't a thing you say all about you know the camera thing and what about all the stuff you can plug and [TS]

  when you see people using an i Pad. [TS]

  How many of them do you see that have anything plugged into that port almost zero percent of them. [TS]

  Almost never I've never seen anyone with a camera connection can in the wild. [TS]

  I've never seen anyone with an unplugged into that as a peripheral [TS]

  or whatever even want to see people using keyboard thinking board cases their Bluetooth. [TS]

  Thirty inches from my head is a picture of the three of us. At a table. [TS]

  On the table is an i Pad with a camera connection kit plugged into it. [TS]

  You're using a stream a product that's not a common use case. The boy as you saw it take i Phones as another example. [TS]

  Other than mopey. [TS]

  You know things plugged in battery cases do everything anyone with something plugged into their i Phone That's reading [TS]

  an S.D. Card from it. That using a U.S.B. Thumb drive on it. That's doing anything like that with it. [TS]

  You just don't see it. The devices are telling you I am not. [TS]

  Expandable there is one proprietary port used for charging and all data transfer. [TS]

  But most of the time you're going to be using me without something plugged into it to see what I'm getting at [TS]

  but I think this lot of pigs is exactly the same way that's what you're going to see most people who buy this laptop I [TS]

  bet. Are not going to buy that stupid a lot after but it has a U.S.B. [TS]

  Port and it does not have a Lightning connector on it does not have mag safe I just not have a proprietary Apple thing. [TS]

  That is not a generic port. But it's a U.S.B. Port that nobody has been devices for yet. Anyway. [TS]

  I can [TS]

  or in this analogy which is trying to show that you're trying to trying to pick up this analogy was not the main point [TS]

  my point is that. I don't like I understand that ports are going away. [TS]

  I am all for that I'm not saying let's hold back the tide bring back the floppy drive like I don't know how much I can [TS]

  emphasize this like. Yes. Get rid of all the freakin parts eventual eight right. On an infinite time scale they're all.. [TS]

  All I want to know was what am I getting for having one U.S.B. Type C. Instead of two. [TS]

  And nobody has been able to tell me anything other than saying that one is less than two [TS]

  and a venture they were going to get a deer Oh and I feel like the euro is better than one. [TS]

  You know what I mean like not. [TS]

  Practically speaking for this particular machine but that is a statement that is where we're going. [TS]

  There is it's a step change of like well you have zero or you have one if you have one. [TS]

  Everybody's going to try to cram everything through the one with a series of crazy adapters right because like well [TS]

  you've got the one. And it can do video out. [TS]

  And it can do all these things like it is a stand in for all the other ports. Because you have one. [TS]

  Everything is going to funnel into one spot whereas if you had zero or you had a lightning connector [TS]

  or something like that it would be like well. This is obviously not a machine that I plug things into like. [TS]

  Yeah you can plug your i Pad. [TS]

  Into your mac and use it in separate monitor and you can you know do all these sorts of things with the [TS]

  but no one is taking an i Pad unlike Well I'm going to get that [TS]

  and I'm going to plug something it's going to charge it and it's going to give my i Pad a second display. [TS]

  And that's going to give me S.D. Card storage for my pet. Nobody does that. [TS]

  But they will do that with this because it has the one port. So what I'm saying is like if you're going to do one port. [TS]

  If you put on two then what happens. [TS]

  Well it's a trade off well you have this way or that I'm perfectly willing to believe that. [TS]

  Trade All I'm saying is the No one has told me what I'm trading. [TS]

  If you just tell me that I'm trading space on the case that [TS]

  when I don't buy because I feel like you could make the case began for the second part on there are now. [TS]

  Putting aside the second part thing. [TS]

  I am also totally on board with the idea that no one cares about the second part except for nerdy people. [TS]

  Totally and thing about use cases as I mentioned my mom just you know like as a actual example [TS]

  but I think for basically everybody who isn't into computers. Who wants to have a lot of computer in their house. [TS]

  This is the one to get because it's so small you just put it with like the stack of magazines next year. [TS]

  Your couch like. [TS]

  Everyone should have like I said with the i Pad I feel like this is the type of thing that just the land around your [TS]

  house. If you are rich person and ever have your house right. [TS]

  It's like picking up a magazine I'll just pick up this i Pad like the. [TS]

  I Pad air to like you just want to have a device that you can do web browsing [TS]

  and you can look stuff up while you're watching T.V. or You can. You know read your e-mail whatever. [TS]

  That's that's what these things are perfect for these are our computers for the masses. I totally agree with that like. [TS]

  This is more for the masses than the thirteen inch pro is. This is more for the masses than any of the areas are right. [TS]

  This is the laptop for the masses getting rid of everything getting rid of the fan getting rid of ports they don't [TS]

  understand making it super small light. Nine hours is fine for the masses. [TS]

  The reason this is called the mac book [TS]

  and not the mac book heir to the next book vapor the mac book prelude any of those things. [TS]

  This is this is the mac for the masses. [TS]

  People don't need all that other stuff that we're talking about this is the one that they should sell the most of its [TS]

  price. Really like twelve thirteen hundred bucks it's not like a two thousand dollars type of thing. [TS]

  I totally agree with that. I can agree with all of that. And also complain about. If they had made it. Not tapered. [TS]

  Would it stop being the MacBook for the masses know it would not. If they had put two U.S.B. Type C. [TS]

  Things [TS]

  but it stopped being the mac book for the masses No I feel like the masses would also not notice that those two things [TS]

  are there and it would make it more capable with very with a tradeoff that I think the masses wouldn't care about. [TS]

  But the nerdy people like us. Would really appreciate because we're not the point of going to zero things. And we are. [TS]

  You know like and I think that the. [TS]

  The taper was something that actually people would appreciate because I think would make it easier to hold by that [TS]

  sharp edge because the sharp edge would be less sharp. So I don't know. [TS]

  Like if I hinted to get tweets are people telling me you don't get it does your gig is going to be regular for other [TS]

  people I don't know how many other ways I can express it. I totally agree with you. [TS]

  I'm just saying that they could change these few things. [TS]

  And unless someone explains to me the trail I'm totally willing to believe it is like oh you couldn't do this because [TS]

  that chipset doesn't support it because there's no way to do the secretary. [TS]

  The you know the circuitry for controlling two different power ports or to made the motherboard too big so [TS]

  and so forth. But I haven't got an explanation. As far as I'm concerned you can make the same machine. [TS]

  A few millimeters different few dimensions. Get rid the tape or put to U.S.B. Touch the ports on it. [TS]

  Keep the price pretty much the same have better. Have better battery life. And the masses would still love it. [TS]

  And we would love it even more and as things stand I still think it's kind of a great machine [TS]

  and I would prefer only willing to replace the thirty [TS]

  and Jerry have a doesn't deserve the screens on the air a terrible. And this one is just as fast and it has no fan. [TS]

  You see I I can agree with you there because if the if the priority is to make as freaking tiny laptop as you can [TS]

  and I understand you don't like that priority. [TS]

  But the fact of the matter is I do like it I wrote a whole article about how I get remember that article that was me. [TS]

  If what you're saying well why don't they. [TS]

  Why don't they add a couple millimeters here there blah blah blah I don't but they don't want to so. [TS]

  Not not thickness the length [TS]

  and width to make room for the part you know me OK So they want this case this case is what they want. [TS]

  But that's not good design not integrated You don't design you don't design a car but it onto the body first [TS]

  and figure out how you can fit the insides in there. I think that's a really shaky analogy. [TS]

  But I think the thing is they wanted to case to look like this because that makes a lot more sense in in computers than [TS]

  a dozen a car. [TS]

  I think they said what we want this case looks like this [TS]

  and then I think they said well we only have room for one thing. On the left hand side. [TS]

  We don't have any room in the right hand side because we want to do a headphone jack for all the reasons we just [TS]

  discussed we only have one thing on the left hand side. We could either. [TS]

  Make that a traditional mag safe or make safe to or we can embrace this new U.S.B. Type see is that right. [TS]

  Are ready for what's called the US P.C. and. We could make it do. [TS]

  And because people are slow in dimwitted myself included because I just earlier in the show talked about how I have to [TS]

  have my U.S.B. Ports and they couldn't figure out exactly which one thing he did or what I needed them for. [TS]

  Because people are slow and dimwitted. [TS]

  They need to know that they have some sort of parachute and they have some sort of escape hatch. [TS]

  That allows them to plug something in it may not be something that. [TS]

  That is that is worthwhile to you or to Ben Thompson or to whoever. [TS]

  But at least people know that they have even if it's by way of a twenty dollars after they have a means of plugging in [TS]

  a U.S.B. Device. If the need arises. [TS]

  And so that to me is a much better choice than straight up mag safe too because at least it gives options. Now granted. [TS]

  Apple doesn't always like to give option. [TS]

  But as they're dragging people into the future and they refused to stop thinking about tomorrow John. [TS]

  They're trying to give some people the option of plugging in these legacy devices for the little bit of time they have [TS]

  to in order to move the world forward. [TS]

  In the same way that they use that they did I think still do support using another computers. Optical drive. [TS]

  If for some crazy reason you're on a MacBook Air and must use an optical drive. [TS]

  You're arguing against the euro ports not for one port. [TS]

  Like your site you're saying is of all they need to have a ports of people feel the safety. [TS]

  I agree I'm not saying now is the time to go with zero. [TS]

  But you're not arguing against to like what is the argument like everything you said applies to two parts just as well [TS]

  as one. You know I mean. Yes I do and. [TS]

  And I think the only answer I have is the answer the you're not going to allow which is. [TS]

  This is the size case they wanted this is what they wanted to do. If that was their philosophy if they actually did. [TS]

  Design the case first [TS]

  and figure out how to have the any thought that it which seems like not a great philosophy for that because I mean you [TS]

  get that. Realities are like that in the house and all they can make them of the bore they didn't like that. [TS]

  I just may be the designer from the outside and if that's the way that I don't know. That's fine. [TS]

  I just think it's a bad way to design things because the insides. Such an effect on the outside that. [TS]

  If you are dead set on some particular dimensions like how would you even come up with those dimensions why not make it [TS]

  have to stick mess Well you know. The reality of. [TS]

  You know what the realities of the inside there have to be some key travel you have to find bat. [TS]

  Had to put battery somewhere like if you. At a certain point. [TS]

  You can't have moving keys with batteries underneath them because it's not thinking up so I feel like the insides do [TS]

  have some effect on the outside regardless. [TS]

  Even if Apple totally designs the case for us and figure out how I can fit everything in it. [TS]

  I think that's a bad philosophy and they should design them together as as one unit working in a single unit. [TS]

  And that there should be some form of you know like decision of what kind of product you're going to make is this going [TS]

  to be the one that has no parts no it's going to be the one has some parts how many parts of the going to have where [TS]

  they're going to go. Like design that into it. Someone in the chat room says like that again. [TS]

  Missing the idea that I think it's perfectly fine for us to have one a nobody will care by geeks which I will keep [TS]

  repeating the people keep telling me that I don't understand that because I totally do.. [TS]

  This is like when they're on that I had no floppy drive and I would say it's more like the i Mac. [TS]

  If the AM I GOING had one floppy drive instead of two floppy drives like the mac se had. That's what it's like. [TS]

  It's like we're getting rid of law because they didn't get rid of the ports. They're still ports. [TS]

  They just have one of them instead of two right and can you get away with one of the poor in such a. [TS]

  Yeah you can but what am I getting you know floppy drives a much larger than the style of U.S.B. [TS]

  Ports what am I getting with one point that I'm not getting with to [TS]

  and other than making some kind of philosophical statement. [TS]

  And maybe saving if you'll notice here and there are no on non-technical. But on with and hype maybe somewhere. [TS]

  I just don't see what it is that I'm getting with with one U.S.B. [TS]

  Port instead of two even it even if you just take it like it wouldn't be great to be able to put the power in both [TS]

  sides of pending on how you arrange your stuff on your desk. [TS]

  That's another thing you're beginning with departments that have one. [TS]

  Sure but you would have a thicker computer which is not what happened what do you think [TS]

  or I don't think it would be thicker it would be like lengthen with a few just. [TS]

  If you just shift the keyboard down to millimeters make the case. Longer to millimeters there. [TS]

  And I maybe will fit an existing case for all we know I'm still not entirely convinced that wouldn't fit there some [TS]

  people say that because it's on one side [TS]

  and you have the headphone part on the other I'm not quite sure if you couldn't get it if it like that I just you know. [TS]

  They designed the case they can make it would not be appreciably bigger of that two of them I feel like. [TS]

  But it would be bigger. [TS]

  It would be bigger than it absolutely has to pay would get slightly longer battery life too because the bigger case [TS]

  with him for battery. You know what I mean like it's just but then of the heavier and the weight like that O.B. [TS]

  The third you mention the retina. But it wouldn't be like it again do you think this machine with no taper. [TS]

  Would still be extremely distinct from the thirteen inch. Extremely obese. It would be way a lighter way thinner. [TS]

  Right and I'll get all these things I'm not saying this is a reason this machine is no good [TS]

  or whatever it's perfectly fine for everybody. [TS]

  All I'm arguing about as for my specific needs are the needs of the Geek people. [TS]

  Where this computer can be a change in a way to broaden its appeal. [TS]

  Broaden it without narrowing the field without making it worse for those people because they are not going to noticed. [TS]

  You know even just lessen the taper. [TS]

  Like they're not going to notice that they don't they're not going to such connoisseurs they can say oh this one's [TS]

  papers might lessen the other one or. [TS]

  Well the other one tapered a lot of this was only tapered a little or not at all like. They don't care. [TS]

  It will be two point one pounds that two pounds they don't care they don't notice those things. [TS]

  Next year as one would be two pounds like they'll they'll eventually get there when the C.P.U. [TS]

  Takes two watts instead of you know I mean like. There are very few drawbacks additions that I'm suggesting. [TS]

  But there are few drawbacks to you [TS]

  or you don't think the drawbacks are big so who would notice these drawbacks who see. [TS]

  I don't know that a regular person or even I would notice them. [TS]

  But the thing is I'm not the one designing this computer in regular people aren't the ones designing this computer. [TS]

  This is all about what Apple wants an Apple wants the thinnest frickin computer they can get in the small apple on it [TS]

  around Mouse two in their own on that one too and they still say they're right on that. [TS]

  But that's the thing is that they still think they were right the Apple does what Apple wants to do [TS]

  and that's the end of the frickin meeting and. [TS]

  Yes I understand what you're saying that for an almost imperceptibly small addition in volume and in surface area. [TS]

  We could have another port and that unequivocally I am not arguing would be hugely useful. But in the end of the day. [TS]

  The design goal for this machine seems very clearly to be make it as frickin tiny as you can. [TS]

  And that's what they've done all that was sure you get rid of the U.S.B. [TS]

  Port and make it a tiny inductive charging thing that slapped onto a lamp right and it was made even thinner. [TS]

  It's not a sin as fossil you could make a stink then [TS]

  or you could reduce the key travel further you could make the trackpad shallow or you could make the Think smaller [TS]

  and lighter. At some point they everything is that you know that this particular compromises. [TS]

  There's nothing dictating this particular size. You could make it even smaller and even thinner. [TS]

  Shaving even more of these things off millimeter he'll know a meter there. They decided to shop shaving at this point. [TS]

  And they decided it wasn't important enough to find room for the second part [TS]

  and it isn't important like the machine is great it's great for almost everybody. [TS]

  I'm just nip willing at this little tiny edges of the problem that you know it sounds like all your complaining about [TS]

  this and you're being defensive I was one thing. Machine is great. [TS]

  It's great for almost everybody I would recommend the machine more than the market was saying you know who this [TS]

  replaces like thirteen in chairs the one. Yes totally If someone says. [TS]

  I want to computer plus [TS]

  or minus the keyboard travel Johnson try myself before I completely unequivocal recommend everybody. [TS]

  This is the one to get Apple correctly named. SMAC book and not mac book air or any other variant. [TS]

  This is the mac book this is the future of laptops. Love everything about it. Just have these few quibbles. [TS]

  And then we keep arguing about it because people think these quibbles are not valid complaints in any way. [TS]

  And I think they're totally valid complaints about this machine that is the best laptop out was ever made it's probably [TS]

  the best laptop for everybody except for people is going to the show maybe. So journey to buy one. [TS]

  I might wonder why it's not what it's going to thirteen inches. If you've got a thirteen inch air and. [TS]

  I hear those stupid fans running all the time when the screen is terrible and you can't look at it [TS]

  and this one would probably be faster like even the C.P.U. Is probably slower at the S.S.D. and It is probably faster. [TS]

  It really depends on actually. [TS]

  I can't resist to replace that until I see if they have a something to connect it to monitor you know the equivalent of [TS]

  a thunderbolt display where you'll have some kind of adapter a power thing because it's in the desk right yeah.. [TS]

  Well they they do only for a T.M.I. and V.G.A. Notably it can't connect to an Apple thunderbolt display. [TS]

  Well I know but like I'm assuming the COM within your display. [TS]

  You know and it can't carry the big red no one so you can't power the five care. IMAX style size display from that. [TS]

  And that's actually a good point. I think if they're going to come out with a new display. It's going to be a five K. [TS]

  Twenty seven inch. [TS]

  But if they do that this laptop can't drive that don't you think with a room in their lineup for like a twenty four [TS]

  inch retina. Type thing. No no I don't I mean they haven't had one for years. [TS]

  Well I mean I don't seem to want to make monitors at all anymore. That's. Yeah I think that's the big thing. [TS]

  I think they're going to at some point they're going to make a five K. [TS]

  Thunderbolt extra let's play for whatever version of thunderbolt can support that. [TS]

  Or maybe what it may be a future version of us B.C. Maybe the couriers B.C.. [TS]

  Can support it and we just don't know it but I think people around the numbers on gas will like you did G.P.U.. [TS]

  In this particular mac book I think it can't do output at more than four K. But you know it's. [TS]

  I wouldn't surprise me if Apple's just going to wait until whatever bus can support it. [TS]

  And whatever economic can support it. And just do it in like two years. [TS]

  And only the MacBook Pros from the previous year can plug into it. [TS]

  I would like to have one of these like as I'm sitting on a little. [TS]

  You know the table next to my couch are like my bedside table. [TS]

  You know I mean I don't I tend not to like laptops for if I was going to get one. It would be. [TS]

  This type of thing like super thin super light all I'm doing is a by browsing and typing because is much of my i Pad. [TS]

  If it comes time to buy out an e-mail I don't want to do it on my i Pad I would much rather have this thing so yeah I [TS]

  would totally buy this for myself if I had money. Hanging around for a laptop which I don't. [TS]

  I think you know if they're like that like this. [TS]

  This does have lots of great uses I mean that's one of the things I I've considered for years. Picking up. [TS]

  Like an old or refurbisher very very baseline eleven inch air to basically be my bedside. Laptop because I will. [TS]

  So often want like will you know go to bed and I'll build all you know I want. I had an idea. [TS]

  You know before we go to bed I want to type up an idea or for a blog post or or you know type up an email [TS]

  or something or respond to some e-mails or something where I want to do things that involve typing [TS]

  and normally I get have an i Pad up there and it's you know. [TS]

  I don't like doing those things like you on an i Pad I would rather have a keyboard so you use dictation I've been [TS]

  doing that lately because the question is actually pretty good and i OS [TS]

  and like I don't want to type so I will just use the dictation thing on a keyboard I us to do longer things. [TS]

  I would very quickly be kicked out of bed if I if I tried. [TS]

  I mean I mostly don't do it when someone is sleeping next to you obviously [TS]

  but I find it more efficient than trying to type but I still want to keep our family longer obviously. And so like. [TS]

  If I if I use laptops a lot. I would totally get one of these things for my like bedside laptop. [TS]

  But because I tend to only have one laptop. [TS]

  And I don't use it so often that I that I would give justify having a second one. I probably you know I'm going to. [TS]

  But you know I totally see that like the I think we're going to sell a lot of these things. [TS]

  For a whole bunch of uses where people aren't really plugging into except our sometimes. [TS]

  So I'm sorry you're saying this would be your night. Laptop. Yeah you know there's lots of my downstairs laptop. [TS]

  If you if you can afford to have one of these things in every room you seven i Pad Air two and a room [TS]

  and one of these things are never on yes just for convenience. You know. Just so you can pick it up but. [TS]

  Well you can even you can have three different colors now. So you can have you can have like. You know. [TS]

  My weekend one is the gold one. [TS]

  Obviously no one no no no you got to have one and every room [TS]

  and then as the seasons change you rotate totally on board with this plan I can tell you more a tiny debates about the [TS]

  things that I can move on no more light about the logo on the back. Instead it's mirrored. [TS]

  I you know I'm actually surprised it took in this long to do that because there has to you know to some degree that's [TS]

  that's leaking. Non-trivial amount of light. And it weakens the weakens the back of a case though. [TS]

  Yeah it weakens back of the case it's leaking white out so that you've got to compensate for that so the screen is [TS]

  evenly lit. And it's. And that. [TS]

  And you know I'm sure it wastes power [TS]

  and I'm sure it's not a massive amount of mean there's a ton of light behind L.C.D. Anyway. But it's something. [TS]

  And so as you get more [TS]

  and more power constrained as you try to eke every little bit of battery life out of something [TS]

  and every little bit of power out of something that starts to become significant. And so I mean in this case. [TS]

  It was probably honestly this is probably about sickness and not any one of the reason but [TS]

  and I don't think it's kind of like that look. [TS]

  Not that it's tired or anything like it is still kind of a nice look but it's a little tired. [TS]

  It's old of this point and adding mirror. [TS]

  Gives a lot of the same effects but just with a kind of a different look and I can show. [TS]

  Off like their precision polishing and machining of think that think it's nice. Yeah. [TS]

  And the other one is the backlit keyboard which I've kind of like backward keyboards [TS]

  but I never like the kind of way the light leakage around them it doesn't really make a clean look. [TS]

  And now I mean obviously them with us again it's a feature [TS]

  but it's a side effect of the fact of the keyboard is so damn thin that you can't there's no room for an entire layer [TS]

  of light underneath the thing. And bedding tiny L.E.D.S. [TS]

  Inside each thing actually probably save space and is a nicer lock and is just better and. All I can think of was. [TS]

  Can you imagine going up to the menu Numac menu bar and hovering over menu item [TS]

  and seeing the keyboard shortcut highlighted with L.E.D.S. On the laptop like of the gist of that system wide. [TS]

  Oh yeah I mean a lot of people are saying like Wouldn't it be awesome if these things were software controllable. [TS]

  Deal with turn them on an authentic play now. The reality is I was as listing through it. That sounds incredible. [TS]

  It's very unlikely that that's possible in this version because that would require controller hardware in the keyboard [TS]

  to be able to independently turn them on and off as opposed to just like turn on all of them and turn off all of them. [TS]

  At this brightness level. You know. And that that circuitry probably doesn't exist in this. In this model. [TS]

  It would be a pretty thin wire like it. Could you could be done if it's going to show up. [TS]

  Like and really it's mostly just like a cool nice to have thing. [TS]

  Maybe it would be helpful for like training purposes of just like remind you what the keyboard shortcut as I don't [TS]

  really know it just seems cool. [TS]

  But if there it was going to show up anywhere jump on one of the thicker computers for us [TS]

  and honestly I'm not entirely convinced of the use cases just as soon as you have individual lights. [TS]

  You Middle East are thinking of ways to control the well I mean the use case is just like the use case of having a lot [TS]

  of keyboard all. It's cool. Yeah. Well some people who aren't. [TS]

  Some people who aren't touch typist need to look at the key caps to see where the keys are [TS]

  and even people are Touch typists Kasia need to look like what symbols on the F.N. [TS]

  Keys you know remember where well yeah but. [TS]

  But like you know they reflect even if you're in a pitch like you're in the reflected light from the screen is usually [TS]

  enough to live it keyboard enough I mean like it's it's totally a limit a keyboard. [TS]

  Our really nice totally unnecessary. But really cool and really nice and that's why they do it. [TS]

  I know a lot of people who swear by the back light a keyboard and will say that whether this is true [TS]

  or not will say that they can't they can't type in the dark without the backlash on the keyboard. [TS]

  You know and they like I agree with you about the screen light and everything like that [TS]

  but many people are very attached to it [TS]

  and I've seen people not by Max because they didn't have the back good keyboard. It just seems nice and this. [TS]

  This seems much nicer than Like I said in the old backlight that was always leaking from around the queues us this [TS]

  looks like what I was imagine it would be like. [TS]

  Just like the little letters on the keys light like they do want to Cartage part right in the daytime it just looks [TS]

  like white letters in the nighttime. [TS]

  White light comes out of the letters they haven't done the reverse one yet but that'll. Maybe maybe a couple years. [TS]

  Exactly. All right well that's the whole event so thanks lot to us response. [TS]

  Casper Warby Parker and hover and we will see you next week. Now the show is over. [TS]

  They didn't even mean to be good because it was that the dental X. The dentist or. John let me see my K.C. With him. [TS]

  Because it was that them to was accidental. And you can find show today. [TS]

  The Dow And if you are trying to get pummeled and he was no says that's keep lists [TS]

  and the team article on our men are free to say they really key is really going to watch on the after after show. [TS]

  Almost two hours where we would do well. [TS]

  That's why I asked didn't Skype like twenty minutes ago we just go on for the whole thing early [TS]

  but I just I felt having going longer on the laptop and we're still going to get angry e-mails [TS]

  and telling me that I don't get it done only that just because weeks don't like the snow anyway. [TS]

  We're going to go along because we're going to get feedback e-mail I'm going to talk about it next week. [TS]

  So we're going to go. No question we're going along on the laptop. [TS]

  Yeah I suppose you know I mean personally like I'm hoping the reason I'm like I'm waiting for the fifteen just even if [TS]

  I don't abide with us you know I want to wait to see what it is because it's possible it's some point they're going to [TS]

  bring some of the advances they made in this laptop. [TS]

  To the other laptops they always do that right so at some point there's going to be a fifteen inch. [TS]

  Retina MacBook Pro of some sort. [TS]

  That has some of the events of this now with when they brought the thirteen at the same time. [TS]

  It only got the trackpad on. Well. No changes. Barbel C.P.U. [TS]

  Use for the for the retina fifteen inks are due out by Intel roughly this summer [TS]

  and Intel's always late so we'll see but maybe to anybody see. They might have a new fifteen inch retina to show off. [TS]

  So you think it's going to have the like the. The new keyboard. [TS]

  Backlights unlike what other parts of you're looking to say so it might. You know we don't know I mean you know it's. [TS]

  There's obviously it's going to have the for such track back as they brought out a thirteen inch we can tell that's [TS]

  that's an easy thing to get bring over. So it all of us have forced extract that. [TS]

  Maybe it'll be thinner [TS]

  and lighter by a little bit who knows probably not because those four courtships need a lot of power. [TS]

  So probably not but maybe it'll have space gray gold options you know maybe like we don't know at some point. [TS]

  Some of these benefits are going to have to live right so maybe it'll have the weird new keyboard. Maybe not. [TS]

  We don't know but we're to have six more months. [TS]

  Roughly you know or five four more months between now [TS]

  and then for them to have time to technologies to move up so they might move up this year they might move up in two [TS]

  or three years. [TS]

  Who knows it might be nice to have a butterfly keyboard [TS]

  but with a longer travel like the stability the supposed ability of the bot of like he switches. [TS]

  I mean that's solving a problem that nobody has actually said well I kind of agree that like you know as I've used. [TS]

  Use these you know the apple woman I'm keyboard for a while and I've broken several of them just using them [TS]

  or the key some switches start to get sticky like those little silly questions are not. Yeah. [TS]

  Like the get to the point where the. [TS]

  I forget which he was but one of them like will start sticking and then I've disassembled them [TS]

  and reassemble them enough times to live like. [TS]

  It's the never quite come back to the way they were like they are they do start to get a little wobbly [TS]

  and one side of them will stick down because it will it doesn't go down straight it does go down till didn't one start [TS]

  of a sight. Star system. It's probably because you know I'm always hearing the edge of a particular key. [TS]

  Instead of dead center. So if you can get keys that. Go up and down without tilting maybe the last longer. [TS]

  I don't think it's so much about feel just in terms of their ability I've I think it work I'm on my third one of these [TS]

  keyboards Maybe I'm still pressing a little bit too hard but they're not. [TS]

  The not just the not a sturdy as they could be. [TS]

  And it is fine trail for a laptop [TS]

  but for a desktop keyboard I feel like you know I think I would like to see this mechanism of longer travel just to see [TS]

  how it would be because I was I felt like I said I found a marketing video showing the key. [TS]

  Moving up and down more straight even when it's not hit dead center I found that. Fairly compelling. [TS]

  It makes me sad to hear you talk about a butterfly keyboard not be talking about a Think Pad. [TS]

  I know about that when I went up on market was talking about his disappointment level like. [TS]

  If he got a small laptop at any of the small screen he would be cursing like lightning just get the bigger screens I [TS]

  feel so cramped all I could think of was like a laptop that opens up and like the screen gets bigger [TS]

  and you can fall that you know I got the fifteen inch screen you close up but it's a thirteen inch size. [TS]

  Then I thought about like. Now that there's all these apps that use the U.S.B. [TS]

  Lightning cable to make an i Pad a second screen I thought well what if I like you know take out [TS]

  and have that be my my second monitor for a laptop but you got your i Pad. I Pad Pro. [TS]

  That will be like one that's fifteen inches or. Yeah but that's. [TS]

  I can can you imagine like you're sitting on a plane like trying to just have any room at all [TS]

  and the guy next to you is setting up this like multi monitor set up I cannot deny you your tray table for my second [TS]

  monitor. Right exactly like fight over the arm wrestle he's taken out to i Pads to be. The triple monitor of. [TS]

  So needs but yes I need to go to the bathroom to start disassembling the stuff. Well V.R. Will take care of that. [TS]

  So all those things that are on trade tables be strapped your face and ever notice be sitting there in there [TS]

  or is it far to pull of long pigs one I'm mixing my Roderick reference as. Well. [TS]

  All right so do we want to talk about the sample watch before everyone just quits the show. Oh yeah the watch. [TS]

  We can quickly. [TS]

  I think we're getting covered in five minutes [TS]

  or the only thing we need to do in a timely manner as I think a dress the pricing stuff. [TS]

  I don't remember what are produced predictions or I remember saying. [TS]

  I think in the last show one of the essential question of those will you be able to get into an apple watch edition for [TS]

  four digits. And I said the nine nine nine nine didn't count. [TS]

  The answer that is no you will not be able to kind of have a large edition for four digits. [TS]

  They were close though they went ten K.. [TS]

  Like they could have gone one thousand nine hundred ninety nine but on seemly for such an expensive out of ten K. [TS]

  You cannot get into one for less [TS]

  and all the other predictions a group of us most obsessive thing that I was reading about us get revising his [TS]

  predictions the advantages for every single possible combination of stuff. I haven't. [TS]

  He hasn't posted his like big post more involved how did I do on pricing things so I maybe I'm wrong about this [TS]

  but my impression was that what Gruber mostly got wrong [TS]

  and what I was most surprised by was the big gap that there's a bunch of fairly reasonable price watches. [TS]

  and a big gigantic gap and then ten K. Instead of like a smooth slope where you work your way up to ten K. [TS]

  By anchorman's going up and up with more expensive watches more expensive banded. [TS]

  You know like a spread price range my recollection of Gerber's predictions which I of course did not look at before the [TS]

  show. Were that it was a much more gradual slope like if you graph that whereas the actual prices were like oh. [TS]

  All the apple watches are pretty reasonable prices. Then there's a big empty space. And then rich people. Yeah. [TS]

  Yeah I mean you I think. [TS]

  I believe he was saying the the link bracelet stainless steel I was going to be like fifteen hundred [TS]

  and possibly two thousand so like that's in that range [TS]

  and that's not you know he was not far I mean of most of the people making press vixens I think he was among the [TS]

  closest of not the closest. [TS]

  You know notable person predicting these things I mean you know he was saying edition would be ten to twenty thousand [TS]

  which it is. Exactly I mean does pretty much what everybody is saying that's why the question was will you be. [TS]

  Able to get in addition for for like Will the like that will be like a super low in addition one that you can just [TS]

  barely get in if you like seventy nine ninety nine or something the answer is no. Yes. [TS]

  But it is because we all we all knew they were going to go into five digits in the question How high would they go. [TS]

  And surprisingly they stop before twenty K. [TS]

  Right because the most expensive when you get a seven seventeen and a lot of people are predicting. Ten twenty thirty K. [TS]

  In that range so it's like there's like the reasonable price watch is a big gap. [TS]

  and then the additions pretty tightly clustered around ten K. [TS]

  Overall I'm very happy with the pricing you know I I am not at all a gold person I don't want. Gold. [TS]

  Even if it was similarly priced as steel I would choose steel. Because I guess I just don't like gold. [TS]

  Coloring stuff on me. [TS]

  You know just not I think so I was never considering it to begin with so the fact that it's ten thousand dollars [TS]

  and up. I don't care. That's fine. You know yeah I find it kind of gaudy as well. [TS]

  And I was afraid that the steel one was going to be like the predictions were like steel. Like the feel of the ceiling. [TS]

  Bracelet of that was like fifteen hundred two thousand and like there's no way in hell [TS]

  and it was that the one I would like to get if I if I was going to get on it or not like is that was really good. [TS]

  And I'm happy to see that one down around like at this point like all the Apple Watch you just ignore the goal once [TS]

  pretend they're not even there because Apple kind of is to maybe we'll talk about the next week [TS]

  but all the Apple watches are like. Look. [TS]

  Every time I go buy an i Pad end up spending close to a thousand dollars a month i Pad I feel bad about at the time [TS]

  but I really like my pads and I use them a lot. [TS]

  The GOING TO GO INTO THE started getting out alive it starts three hundred day you're probably going to walk out. [TS]

  If you're like me with an apple watch it's pushing up into a thousand dollars. [TS]

  And you feel bad about it when you buy and you feel like and you really did spend too much but you'll like it [TS]

  and it will be fine. [TS]

  Because what we are you getting to a thousand dollars you personally with an apple watch I know it can be done. [TS]

  But why because I would want to still on with the link bracelet. OK. [TS]

  That's that's pretty much the top of the top range of the normal watches. [TS]

  And for the gold ones I really like the gold for the gold on with the red band. [TS]

  In terms of the color skimming but I think that's more of a woman. [TS]

  Look at the men's look but I definitely as I think of that as the place that. [TS]

  Where the gold looks the best all the other gold ones I've seen like you said Mark I like just don't appeal to me. [TS]

  Taste wise I think. [TS]

  In fact I think the way they go on the book better is if they made a gold link bracelet because like Look just go all [TS]

  in. [TS]

  If the gold was like you know it was just gold the mint gold are saying like the hole [TS]

  and I think the reason they're not is. I think they're really dipping their toe in the water with this like. [TS]

  I don't think they're. [TS]

  You know the reason why there's limited quantity is annoying to me in certain stores is partly for exclusivity [TS]

  and probably for price reasons [TS]

  but it's also partly because you know like I tweeted the other day during the event that it wouldn't surprise me if [TS]

  there is no apple addition to like. If this is a one off really enter this is the only time they ever do that. [TS]

  I saw you tweet that what makes you what makes you think that. I'm not saying this will fail and. [TS]

  I'm saying it wouldn't surprise me at the SAP [TS]

  and because it does seem like Apple is kind of unsure whether this will even work or not and you know. [TS]

  It seems very clear that that's an experiment the rest of the Apple Watch. They're serious about it. [TS]

  The addition you can tell is an experiment. And it could go great and it could sell a gangbusters. [TS]

  It might prove to be. Not worth it for them because like you know selling game busters. [TS]

  You know for that is going to be a still a relatively small volume. It's. [TS]

  It might just be that that the complexity is not worth it that that the. [TS]

  The the divide in marketing isn't worth it you know whatever. [TS]

  Chances are this won't be the case chances are they'll keep having it. [TS]

  Always said was it wouldn't surprise me if this happened. [TS]

  It was a bit surprised me because I think no matter how successful this is they're still going to want to sell gold one [TS]

  of us' [TS]

  and maybe they'll bring the prices down if it wasn't successful I think it will be successful so I think it's moot [TS]

  but like. [TS]

  Yeah I think there's pretty much no way the addition line can fail because the success criteria are so limited like [TS]

  they don't expect to sell a lot of them. But they seem committed to the idea that if you're in the. [TS]

  If you're going to sell watches. The watch market has this little part that's like this. [TS]

  And if you're going to sell watches you have to be in it like. [TS]

  They don't feel like they have to do it on the low and [TS]

  but they feel like that we have this kind of the same reason they keep making the MacPro like computers go up to [TS]

  computers that personal computers go up to this and. We're. And we sell. We don't sell low and computers we sell. [TS]

  You know. We want the top part of the market and computers do go up to this part. [TS]

  So we should have one in that space [TS]

  and I think it's even more of an imperative to do that with watches because like you know the. [TS]

  You could argue that the whole apple part of the watch thing is all sort of towards the addition at a not really into [TS]

  the Swatch part just so happens that there's washy one is still three hundred fifty bucks right. [TS]

  I mean I think you know a lot of people. [TS]

  Gruber included as I did has a doing very smart analysis so has a Jonathan Geller But you know if you're poor guy he's [TS]

  been doing good stuff on on like you know like the perspective of Apple Watch. [TS]

  As a watch person as as as the kind of person who is familiar with the existing high end watch business. [TS]

  I don't think Apple really cares that much about the existing high and watch business [TS]

  and how they fit into it because the reality is they're going to be selling these things. [TS]

  Mostly to people who don't wear watches who aren't part of that high end business the addition. [TS]

  Maybe more and more the people but I bet not. I bet. The addition sells mostly to geeks like us. [TS]

  And people who like technology. Who are just a lot wealthier and who care a lot more about this kind of stuff. I don't. [TS]

  And I'm not saying it's gonna be all these I'm saying it's going to be like you know. Not people who are pretty like. [TS]

  No one to be precious and saying you know what I could get a Rolex. Or I could get the gold apple watch. [TS]

  I think you're thinking about wrong this is not an I have a. [TS]

  I Phone you're wearing your wrist like that's where you're wrong about this that it does the reason is not a gold i [TS]

  Phone. [TS]

  Like Apple doesn't make a gold i Phone It's not it's not just because like phones don't call it [TS]

  but they do like people make those that virtue whatever crusted phone thing. Right. [TS]

  Why why don't why doesn't Apple make a gold i Phone [TS]

  but they are making a gold watch because the watch is jewelry it's a thing that you wear it is it is a beautiful thing [TS]

  in [TS]

  and of itself it is a different class of Prodicus fashion it's where you cross that threshold as we talked about it many [TS]

  passion was once you wear something not carry it with you even when you carry with you going to the fancy cases [TS]

  and everything but once you wear it and it's jewelry. And it's an established piece of jewelry called a watch. [TS]

  I think you have to address the market of people who. Like to wear gold jewelry and. [TS]

  It's not just rich people like I mean another ten K. Want to like them but just in general like. [TS]

  I think that is a different nature of this product is different I think you have to address that market if you're going [TS]

  to be in the high end. But I don't think you need to make a gold i Phone. Because I like I think you know. [TS]

  You're right about the most people who are going to Apple watches are exactly as you describe. [TS]

  But I think the people who are going to buy gold ones are the people who are buying it as a piece of jewelry. [TS]

  That also does cool stuff I agree. I didn't say I didn't wear myself very well there so forgive me. [TS]

  What I mean is that even the people who buy the gold one. Are going to be people who are not. Who were not otherwise. [TS]

  Wearing a gold watch necessarily some of them will be but I think even even among the gold sales. [TS]

  I bet most people who buy the gold watches. [TS]

  Don't have any other gold watches first of all I bet the not going to be like why didn't i Pod cast about computers [TS]

  first of all. But I think it's going to be mostly people who are buying it because it is the Apple Watch. [TS]

  Not because it is the newest gold watch in the world. But because it is specifically. The gold apple watch. Course the. [TS]

  But those are going to be Bill who already own gold watches I'm saying isn't a thing like they're buying it because [TS]

  they own gold watches. [TS]

  They want to new gold watch this watch give them something of their watches don't let me try the computer watch that [TS]

  also happens to be gold. [TS]

  You know name [TS]

  but I I would imagine the number of people who buy the gold apple watches their first gold watch is very small. [TS]

  All right well. I mean it will probably never know this information. I would bet against that. But none of us all. [TS]

  In gold watches and one of us can afford a gold watch. [TS]

  But doesn't or to me it's like if you're going to buy a gold watch. [TS]

  Certainly you Marco if you are forced to buy gold watch that's the one you'd buy. Right. [TS]

  All three of us could buy it just to be fair. We just wouldn't give us. I mean it really depends on where you know. [TS]

  You want to allocate your money home like it they go to college. You know Michael Wacha but anyway. Yeah. [TS]

  Like we are not watch people. We don't we don't buy expensive watches. [TS]

  Like you know so that's why we have difficulty talking about the whole you know. [TS]

  We don't none of us were even to even any of us even wear jewelry. At all. I were a watch. [TS]

  I don't know if you'd classify my watch my twenty thirty dollars Timex watch is generated is it a plastic because I [TS]

  don't like ounces jewellery is a floral asked them or they have right. [TS]

  Well I mean that kind of counts you do wear a watch do you think of it as like a fashion thing where you would like [TS]

  where you look at your outfit and decide whether the watch is appropriate to wear with your outfit or no. [TS]

  So I actually have two watches. [TS]

  One is my daily watch which is my thirty dollar Timex [TS]

  and the other is a citizen that Aaron got me for Christmas a year or two ago. [TS]

  All right so that the that counts I mean [TS]

  and I think I think all of our wives would agree that Casey is the most fashionable out of all three of us not. [TS]

  Not about the high bar at all but that I'm not particularly fashionable. Look where does that that. [TS]

  But all kidding aside I I do you only where the citizen generally speaking if I'm dressing up for something nice like a [TS]

  wedding or Christmas holiday party. If I were to spend ten thousand dollars on a watch today. Which. [TS]

  Can't and wouldn't. But if I if I were. [TS]

  I would absolutely be getting something that does not say Apple on it I would probably get a pen [TS]

  or I if I could find one small enough for my little tiny wrist. [TS]

  So you do have a little bit of that I don't know that is so it shows you are actually know something about the. [TS]

  The one marginally friend of mine tomatoes my Ferrari's. [TS]

  But it well you know a lot more about Ferrari's and I know about watches. [TS]

  The I have a friend who is really into watches [TS]

  and so I saw their ice I have seen a lot of his watch it's obscene his role excesses pan arise and. [TS]

  I feel what other ones Omegas. There's others that he has that I don't recall off the top of that off the top my head. [TS]

  But I always really fancy dishpan arise though the path is a pen or a is or any pen [TS]

  or I I've ever seen is that they're freaking HUGE and. I have little teeny tiny wrists as of that. [TS]

  I don't think I could actually get one but in this hypothetical. If I were to spend. [TS]

  Serious money on a watch I would get something like that there is no chance I would get an apple watch because I want [TS]

  something that's going to age in age well. And there's something classic about a traditional analog watch that. [TS]

  I don't think an apple watch. Would would hold up over time I mean look at any movie watch. And you see flip phones. [TS]

  Or you know everyone makes fun of the Zach Morris cell phone from Saved By The Bell. I mean. [TS]

  This might be close though. Because I mean. It might end up being like a class. [TS]

  Because watches because the trend in watches so gargantuan this. [TS]

  Watch is not the biggest gold watch you can get like it's not like it's like the pebble where it's conspicuous in like [TS]

  Oh that's good computer crap and that's why it's so damn big. [TS]

  Because it's actually smaller that somebody here from all the people who are there trying to watch it on themselves [TS]

  which I haven't done but that it is. When you try it on. [TS]

  It is smaller than you think it is like in the pictures it's always right up in our face it looks like it's the size of [TS]

  like the Hinton Berg right but. But when you have. [TS]

  Actually put it on it seems smaller so I think it is not out of step with the size of regular watches. [TS]

  And it will be defined like you know. [TS]

  It looks like a little Airstream trailer no be defined by its look and so [TS]

  when we see this watch like two decades from now in a movie or something. It will evoke the time. [TS]

  But I don't think it will seem obsolete. In the way that flip phones do. [TS]

  Because I think it's about the size of a watch. Like it's not the size of a computer watch. [TS]

  It's about the size of a watch watch right. Well it's a fairly unusual shape for for most fashionable watches. [TS]

  Well I mean if you look at the marketers and other watches that he's made that look also look like Airstream trailer [TS]

  but don't have computers and saw what they would have identical [TS]

  but like I said it's it's going to look like a particular shape of a watch [TS]

  and I think that will evoke the time in the particulars of the Apple Watch [TS]

  but I don't think it will look at dated in the way that. [TS]

  Phones the size of bricks that you hold dear head look dated you know I mean. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but you don't think these are going to get externally thin I mean they already have all the ports Gawd got I could say [TS]

  that would straight say you know that the secret lighting part inside the band thing that is true actually. [TS]

  But but all kidding aside. You don't think that these are going to get considerably thinner over time. [TS]

  I think they will go thinner but like what I'm saying is that I think they're below the threshold of embarrassment [TS]

  and they will it will just about like a fashion charge like Bell bottoms like. [TS]

  You know the pants that depends that get thinner on the ankles bell bottoms do look silly but we don't look at them [TS]

  and say that's back when they had to make the bottom of pants really wide. Didn't have to it was a fashion thing. [TS]

  And even though they kind of have to because of the battery and other concerns here. [TS]

  I think it's within the boundaries of watch especially since what Like you said like a panorama is Dutch isn't the [TS]

  trend now is for these gargantuan watch of the least in men's watches that it won't look. That crazy. Of course. [TS]

  I mean your point still stands about like you have something to stand test time whatever the things they go obsolete [TS]

  the batteries going to die the internals going to be terrible then sure you're not going to be able to it won't even be [TS]

  able to connect your i Phone seventeen anymore. [TS]

  Like it's going to go away in a way that a ten thousand dollars gold other watch won't go. [TS]

  Why some of because that one just does LESSON OLD be just as good [TS]

  when you had your grandchild you had your grandchild this. They're not going to turn The knows about it because like. [TS]

  It's like a flip phone. [TS]

  They are trying to knows about it because the battery probably be dead [TS]

  and be even if it's not the be nothing they can do with it. Like all the function. [TS]

  All its functionality will be gone because you know. Will beyond Bluetooth standard seventeen or whatever. [TS]

  You don't like it just won't work anymore it just won't do its job anymore where is the traditional watch will continue [TS]

  to do its job exactly the same. Well and you know in case you know you're saying you. [TS]

  You would treat a very expensive watch purchase like like an addition as an investment. [TS]

  You know like you would want this to be a long lasting peace that you would probably have the rest of your life [TS]

  and probably hand down to your kids and grandkids like absolutely. That. [TS]

  That is completely not how people are going to be thinking about this and Apple knows that. [TS]

  And they're willing to take that risk because there are enough people in the world. Many of them. Not in North America. [TS]

  There are a lot of people in the world who are very happy to spend ten thousand dollars [TS]

  or seventeen thousand dollars to get themselves or their loved ones. One of these. [TS]

  There I think it's no coincidence that the red and gold one is probably the best looking one lined up [TS]

  and it is one of the most expensive. And that those are trying to scholars and it's made for women. [TS]

  I think all the things are extremely deliberate. [TS]

  And the demo to reach out on the thing instead of a message from a that. [TS]

  Yeah I mean this is going to sell in ridiculous quantities in China. [TS]

  Because we don't we don't understand the culture there. From what people who do understand it. [TS]

  Say what we've been able to learn is that this is going to sell like crazy to a lot of people it's like they're [TS]

  ostentatious shows of wealth. [TS]

  Are not frowned upon to the degree that they are another I mean everything is a continuum I think. [TS]

  Shows of wealth are frowned upon more in some places less than others in the U.S. In the eighty's for example every. [TS]

  Thing was about golden showing off your fancy things and wearing your. [TS]

  You know and then there was kind of a grunge was a reversal of that and I So we know the U.S. [TS]

  Trends button in up and coming China where the rising middle class. [TS]

  Showing your status and how much wealth you've gained. Seems to be more acceptable. [TS]

  In that country right now that it isn't ours to the point where like having golden shiny things is like you know. [TS]

  More popular there than it is here and I'm just not a fan of the whole gold color I remember when Lexus first came out. [TS]

  Not trying to have neutral again. They offered gold trim. [TS]

  I think this was a factory option if it wasn't tons of people are getting aftermarket where instead of having silver [TS]

  chrome. Like the word Lexus all the little trend pieces the chrome around the windows the grill. [TS]

  You could get them with gold and I always thought it looks so awful and tacky but it was everywhere. [TS]

  And these watches look like her but except for I suffer like that except for the red and gold [TS]

  when I think that looks really good. Like you know. Yeah. [TS]

  It goes together I just you know with the other ones especially with the lack of a Goldband it doesn't click [TS]

  and I think we're also going to see these like on celebrity is on the red carpet you know like it we're going to we're [TS]

  going to see it even if they're not there as the rent that for the day just like they do the rest the drollery and. [TS]

  You know. Yeah I mean like we're going to see these in places just. [TS]

  We're not going to own them ourselves but you know they're going to be a lot of people out there who do. [TS]

  Just not just not us. And as for the investment part of it. [TS]

  Even though you said they're going to sell out of it in China in the grand scheme of things. [TS]

  They're going to sell a very small number of these compared to the number of other watches they sell. Oh yeah. [TS]

  All I'm saying is they're going to is that among among the ones they do sell a large portion of those will be sold [TS]

  enjoy right. But so if you have an original Apple Watch EDITION. Gold thing. As an investment item. [TS]

  Long after it stops functioning. It may be not saying that it's going to gain. And you know like. [TS]

  Ferrari's basically you buy them for a million dollars they lose value you keep them for ten years in office on the [TS]

  right twice what you paid for them because they make like. You know well as an exact five hundred a year but maybe the. [TS]

  How many of the law far as they're making maybe a hundred or something. [TS]

  And they're all sold or whatever like doesn't matter nobody can test them. The smaller. [TS]

  The point is when people buy those [TS]

  and they put mileage on like all your depreciate your one point two million dollar car just keep it for twenty years [TS]

  that thing will be worth two point five million dollars Don't drive it like if you think you want to make money with a [TS]

  Ferrari. [TS]

  By the most expensive one they make and preserve it for twenty years [TS]

  and sell it for twice what you value look at McLaren F one. Right. [TS]

  You could've bought that for what was it two hundred fifty grand. [TS]

  Even sell them now for like what million and a half two million. [TS]

  Like because there are a few of them and so I think if. If you have more so than if you had the very first i Phone. [TS]

  If you have the very first Apple Watch edition and. [TS]

  You know if they sell only a few thousand of those [TS]

  and you have one of those in twenty years it will be worth more than you paid for it. [TS]

  Well and especially if it's a one off. That's a this is this was part of the logic in going into my. [TS]

  My thinking that you know what if this was a one off what if there is no apple watch addition to next year. [TS]

  You know like. Because it makes us win even more prestigious. If they don't keep making them. [TS]

  Or if they only if they only release a new one every five years [TS]

  or something like that you know if there's some kind of limited availability. [TS]

  Like you know they've released Windows like the stupid Disney vault and all that's like that stuff. [TS]

  All plays into the exclusivity the high fashion angle here. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Anyway. [TS]

  You want to talk about the other ones. Maybe. Well one quick note as well. [TS]

  One thing that I don't think has been talked about too much with regard to the addition is to go back to the pan arise [TS]

  and traditional watches. My understanding of these really expensive traditional watches is that. [TS]

  The second hand market is extremely vibrant and [TS]

  when you said Marco you're making an investment right hypothetically be making an investment. [TS]

  I meant that your you meant that more ways than perhaps you realized in so far as you can trade these things like [TS]

  freakin stocks if you so choose and in so far as you can buy and sell them and. [TS]

  I know that my friend who is really into watches. He would go through watches. Constantly. [TS]

  He was like a freaking day trader of watch his feet as he was constantly buying new ones selling the ones he has and. [TS]

  That's a very very vibrant market which I don't know how well that's going to work out for the addition it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't have to work out for the addition [TS]

  but that's a piece of the more traditional walk watch market that Apple may not really be getting into [TS]

  when I'm curious to see what the fallout has a negative connotation to it what the fallout is from that. [TS]

  We talked about that the tech angle on this is no way around it like it's going to be eventually obsolete the battery [TS]

  is going to mention I find here in place the battery. [TS]

  They're going to have a swap of the gods probably not do you know what all the stuff. And these are things by the way. [TS]

  All of our questions were discussed at length about the upgradeability in the pricing [TS]

  and how they're going to Selma store. [TS]

  Apple could not set minds at ease but just like if Apple has decided to bridge not sure they entirely have [TS]

  but if they had decided. If they had just got out ahead of it. [TS]

  And you know but they know all the questions people are asking. And either said. [TS]

  We're going to have an internal upgrade program. We're going to have a trade in program or. [TS]

  We're not going to do that or whatever like leaving it unknown it is at the very apple move. [TS]

  But it leaves uncertainty of people you know I yam with that but the ten thousand on market. [TS]

  Some people are going to have that concern. [TS]

  And the fact that there is no answer out there because people buy ten thousand watches have some expectations like a [TS]

  set of you to be able to resell it and buy another one or to give it to their kids or how long you're going to last [TS]

  and Apple's current nonanswer basically says you know. [TS]

  Don't buy this hoping that it's you know it's going to become obsolete you don't even know. [TS]

  Like I think Apple has said they were placed a battery for you were just the overpriced the battery [TS]

  and all their things you pay them money so that's fine but other than the battery. It's going to be obsolete. [TS]

  And when that happens. [TS]

  Are you going to be sad that you can't replace the internals of because Apple's not saying that you can so don't buy [TS]

  one thinking you can they can change their mind at any time [TS]

  but clearly Apple doesn't think that it's a deal breaker on this that they can they can go to market with this with [TS]

  just leaving this is as a completely you know we haven't announced anything about replacing the inside here watch which [TS]

  is exactly what everybody predicted to new apples that Apple is not going to come out there [TS]

  and tell you that you can upgrade because those watch that is a fantasy of people who you know. [TS]

  Because I know it's technically possible it would be cool you should do it. [TS]

  They could still change their mind if it turns out that no one wants the bodies edition because they have upgrade them [TS]

  or. You know when the. [TS]

  When when they finally get obsolete and that happens [TS]

  but I think the watches will be kind of like i Pads even more so that they'll last a really long time like Eventually [TS]

  they'll become obsolete but. What reason. [TS]

  You know they're going to become obsolete because the protocols they talk to the i Phone with Will. [TS]

  Will change the way that's not backward compatible or. [TS]

  The new watches will be able to do so much more that the whole class of really cool apps that you can run on your watch [TS]

  won't run your old one and you just feel bad and you will like all [TS]

  when I have to get a new watch because the cool video conferencing whatever app won't run on my origin all Apple I [TS]

  jumped at the nose camera. Yeah. Nose hair cam right. [TS]

  I mean as kind of the sad part [TS]

  when a show like this the security camera showing the garage door opening in the key you know it was like super low [TS]

  frame rate that's because the camera. Like you know it's one of those like not don't. [TS]

  One of those video can surveil cameras that need take that picture every second or two to save space right. [TS]

  At the all blurry. It's not as far as I can tell imitation the lot from a market tell me better could you display. [TS]

  Thirty first or second video on the watch. Not probably not with a watch good because you have to stream. [TS]

  You have to like have the images on the i Phone Extension and then they stream over Bluetooth over to the watch now. [TS]

  I haven't used to watch yet so I don't know how fast the connection is in practice but all the guidance on the S.T.K. [TS]

  So far is basically like don't expect images to transfer quickly. Assuming you could get. [TS]

  You know a you know age two six four two six five in a future video on there is there decoding hardware to play about [TS]

  as the areas that are alleged to fix for decoder part where on there can it play video like that's my other question to [TS]

  you knowing the limitations like watch get whatever like if Apple wanted to show video on its thing. [TS]

  Could it do that and I would guess yes but I really don't know like no one knows what's in that us one thing right. [TS]

  Well how do they do the animated emotion some being genuine like. That is animated. That's like open. [TS]

  That's like Open G.L. Like I assume there's Open G.L. Stuff in there are Open G.L. [TS]

  Yes or whatever it is [TS]

  but yeah Skip is there the dedicated hardware to decode like whatever codec you know its tricks for now like is that on [TS]

  the S. One chip if there is nod. [TS]

  Does another thing that's going to obsolete this original hard because eventually there will be a bit vengefully will [TS]

  be you know. Knows time face. No one knows time yet knows her face timing. [TS]

  From Are things not in this version but like you know inevitably it will come. I suspect that. [TS]

  I suspect that's all there already I mean it isn't. It doesn't expose overwatch kit to developers. [TS]

  But I'm I would be very surprised if it wasn't there like why would why would you make it seems like that probably the [TS]

  out what the S one is is a couple of generations old i Phone. Thing redesigned and shrunken to be the S one. [TS]

  Yeah I mean like what one of the rim people are saying it is basically an A five. Performance level. [TS]

  So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it actually is for the most part. A five corps. [TS]

  Just with some modifications [TS]

  and some dice shrinks over time which that they have already had a few of them already so you know. [TS]

  That's fine I I really don't expect the C.P.U. Speed of the watch. To matter that much in the grand scheme of things. [TS]

  That's why. These are going to have a subgrade cycle probably and. That's not going to be that big of a deal. [TS]

  Because for the most part. You're talking. Limitations in battery and. [TS]

  You know that's that's probably of the house like I'm better off going to the limiting factor here. I think. [TS]

  I don't I don't see them. Adding tons and tons of. [TS]

  Hardware capabilities I don't see them adding like cameras and dedicated G.P.S. [TS]

  and Everything anytime soon if ever I mean we don't know yet again [TS]

  but the native apps are going to places like gravity what people want to people do with native apps because their [TS]

  current functionary there's like no reason for any more power. [TS]

  Like the current functional exposes plenty to do glances pointed to all the stuff to transfer files like everything's [TS]

  fine right as soon as they have a native app S.T.K. [TS]

  Then it's like OK Where where are the edges that apps are pushing against. [TS]

  It would surprise me if people had tons of apps on their watch I mean the watch might end up being a lot of people's [TS]

  today screens. Where you have like five or six apps on there that you use a lot and. [TS]

  But you don't have one hundred fifty apps and your watch we don't know I mean I don't. [TS]

  The big thing is we still don't know all the big killer apps for this thing is we still don't know like. [TS]

  What are people going to do with the native watch. S.T.K. A year from now that we're not foreseeing yet. [TS]

  That Apple isn't even for seeing it. That's going to be all my God this is a great use of the watch. [TS]

  Right not just like shovelware from the i Phone with a little watch remote view. With you but I'm doing. [TS]

  Not just like something. Something that could only exist on the watch that. [TS]

  That would not be a very good i Phone app or would not be possible on the i Phone. [TS]

  We don't know that that's all future unknown stuff for the most part today we really have no idea. [TS]

  And I think for the most part Apple still has no idea. So we'll see. For the most part I would expect. [TS]

  You know for upgrade cycle I would expect it to be like. You know for nerds like Austin might be two to three years. [TS]

  For nerds like us who don't buy the watch. Oh you're getting one but I'm I'm not a Casey a getting one. [TS]

  Of course he is sitting right now. No well so he is the sitting back now this is this is a killer app that C.S.S. [TS]

  Unfortunate going to build a new Yeah exactly. So sitting here now. No I'm not getting one. [TS]

  But as I said on analog that's really just claim chatter for you guys and for Mike. [TS]

  Because I suspect sometime over the next two to three months I will probably get one [TS]

  and not to totally repeat analog with short short version of what I said there was I felt the same way about right feel [TS]

  the same way about the watch as I did. About the i Pad. [TS]

  Whatever doesn't really solve any problems that I have I don't really get it. [TS]

  Fast forward a couple years and now you can pry my you know i Pad with retina and subtler out of my cold dead hands. [TS]

  So I will probably end up getting one knowing me because every time I'm like me to one of your points I think I was [TS]

  smarter maybe both you said. At any time I say man. [TS]

  That really means the Such haven't realized it yet but I don't know. [TS]

  I sitting here now not so sure on the other problem having is the one I really want to see you know ten. [TS]

  One thousand and fifty or eleven hundred dollar. [TS]

  Space black space gray whatever it is with the with the link band which I think what you guys said you want to do as [TS]

  well. No not me. Not in black that one in the stainless steel. OK. [TS]

  So what would you get market or what are you getting. [TS]

  I still want to see them in person before a judge originally originally a one of the. [TS]

  My goal with the bands was because going to be taking it on an awful lot and I have already watches middle school. [TS]

  I know I know myself I know I'm going to be annoyed at trying to match the same fit every time I attacked the band. [TS]

  And so I wanted something that. That released. Easily and had a fixed fit. [TS]

  That I could set it to one to the right size and just leave it there. [TS]

  I also do not crazy about the idea of a plastic band just doesn't he feels Laura last. Some are. [TS]

  Tim Cook Francis that kind of the way. Underscore Prince the South Africa. [TS]

  Like there's like a syllable missing in the middle there last summer. Yeah. You hear that with when he when he says it. [TS]

  I think I black out for a moment he says that word anyway so my goal was to get like a fixed fit. [TS]

  Quick release on and off. And to me the only two that really do that are the modern buckle in the link bracelet. Now. [TS]

  I as. As I've said in the past even though you don't believe me I don't like to be flashy and. [TS]

  Because I haven't haven't worn a watch and so long I fear that a metal watch band would be flashy on me. [TS]

  And maybe not to see them in person. I also was leaning towards the dark one before the event and and. [TS]

  Since the event while all the new photos and everything. The dark one looks really dark. [TS]

  Like way darker than the original pictures that were on the original site. I think it's too dark anyway. [TS]

  So to his in person but recently I was going modern buckle. [TS]

  I was a little little upset that the colors were all feminine before and that the black one. [TS]

  Which is great but it's only thirty millimeter and. [TS]

  I tried on the paper prototypes occasionally to earlier Thank you Casey. Tried those on and the modern buckle. [TS]

  Even in the largest size. Just barely fits all around my wrist so I'm guessing it's too small. [TS]

  Apple tries very hard not to call these men's and women's watches which is admirable but the. [TS]

  But the way they size them. [TS]

  And the fact that women on average have smaller Eastern men is bad like you may not be called women's and men's [TS]

  but by taking this. Like the modern buckle that you like. [TS]

  Which doesn't look very feminine to me but you know whatever you want fine right. [TS]

  But by making it to a small you're basically dictating like we're not going to say this is a woman's watch we're going [TS]

  to make it so small that even a small man is going to have a hard time getting us around his wrist [TS]

  or just kind of like undercutting the whole sort of. [TS]

  We're not making any judgments about gender by whatever watch you want. Well. [TS]

  There are some exceptions like the sport Man's of the same. [TS]

  There's the link bracelet which is a pretty masculine thing I don't think women's watches tend to have big. [TS]

  Silverlink president. I've seen and they would just be skinnier. [TS]

  Yeah they were just be skinnier at that a same same type of thing. [TS]

  I don't think the Apple Inc bracelet is famine and really but they do make that one in both sizes. For example anyway. [TS]

  So you know if you. [TS]

  If you're a man with smaller if there are options for you but the modern buckle is a little feminine. [TS]

  I know that I see that. [TS]

  I still would be attracted to it for it for the quick release inside locking thing but it's just too small for me [TS]

  but I said all the ones that have a series of holes. You always put it back in the same hole that you. You know. [TS]

  You know I mean. Yeah but that's annoying. So I think the want to want to try. [TS]

  I'm not sure I would be confident to pre-order yet but the the one I'm most looking at now is the black leather loop. [TS]

  And I know it doesn't it doesn't keep its size fixed. It's similar to the military's loop. I don't. [TS]

  I don't present wrong I'm sorry. But it's even it's. It has like the little like not choose between each letter. Link. [TS]

  So it should be somewhat lockable to a certain size of I don't know but. [TS]

  So that's what I'm looking at the black letter loop because I again. [TS]

  Reducing flashiness So I'm a little scared about going going to link bracelet. [TS]

  I also I think will increase it looks kind of too old for me. Like. I don't know maybe. [TS]

  Maybe because I'm use not a watch guy and haven't been yet [TS]

  but I feel like I'm the wrong generation to wear a metalink bracelet again. To be totally wrong. [TS]

  But I think I have to buy a Mercedes also if I did that. [TS]

  I don't I don't have to actually answer the watch the whole like I actually intrigued by the watching now that I have [TS]

  an i Phone. Like the only reason I'm not getting one. [TS]

  It's not even because it's too expensive the only reason like anyone asks I just don't wear a watch. [TS]

  Like that's it's the fact that this is a watch. [TS]

  Of any kind of thing that I strap my wrist in that's not a habit the do and I don't. [TS]

  And I intentionally don't wear a watch like I wore one you know. [TS]

  Like in middle school to try it out and I don't like it and like things on my wrist and. [TS]

  That's the only thing stop me from getting it is many things making me want to get it like luck even though you know [TS]

  our watches tried it might be cool I'm actually very interested in trying out the watch. [TS]

  And if I actually did buy one I probably wouldn't buy the want to describe just because the reason I hate things on my [TS]

  wrist and are so sensitive to like him and. [TS]

  It would just get caught in my arm hair and he would do the all pinchy and it would just like. I would want. [TS]

  I would probably where the rubber one as Christy Turlington call that [TS]

  or I think he called it rubber what I heard you did. Yes Robert. Thames like you know those suits for elastomer right. [TS]

  Like that comfort would be that. I need to sweat pants of the watches. Go with the rest of my wardrobe right like. [TS]

  Because that's the thing stopping me from wearing this is just a comfort thing [TS]

  but I think it might be cool to have a cool little screen things so I'm not going to say I don't think I'm going to [TS]

  wait for the i Watch six to get one of these are the least try one I may try it and regret it badly [TS]

  and really was argues for me getting this cheapest Apple I possibly can just to see if can you wear a watch. [TS]

  But I'm definitely. Intrigued by this device and would love to find out if it's a thing that has any place in my life. [TS]

  But yet. As a piece of sculpture I like the standard steel one with the link bracelet. [TS]

  But I are it seems like an arm have trap and I get alarmed her. [TS]

  Yeah well and the comfort angle is big to me too and it's one of the reasons why I'm considering the letter. [TS]

  Of all the steel band that are the sport band. [TS]

  I bet that's the most comfortable because there is no metal touching your skin. [TS]

  And it's just it's just nice leather leather gets smelly though. [TS]

  I didn't think about that well I don't I'm not that smelly my my wife or places are watchband every And whatever year [TS]

  or two. And when she does it smells bad. Interesting. Well. Hundred fifty bucks for a new one. [TS]

  Not that crazy as what I'm saying like our watch band goes I wear twenty bucks and not just leather. [TS]

  Leather soaks up stinks. Well I guess we'll find out. [TS]