00:00:00 ◼ ► market you're totally right margo you're totally right Marco you're totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► where does Apple you score data John I know this question marks after all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► bullet points in the people he called us and told us and i couldnt find those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/9">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► emails I think this is far from last week when I think marco was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/15">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► saying that he didn't know where Apple used card and it was in response to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/21">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► data sync in particular the iCloud Core Data Sync that was a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/24">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► yes not just plain old core data and this is in response to the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► Apple what which APS Apple dog food and by the way we did someone email dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/33">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► footing mean I sent him that we could be dealing with it it just means using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/38">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► own stuff like if you're making an ABI in this specific case and you don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► that API yourself chances are we'll be that great because you won't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/46">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► pain of using it like we made an API for you go use it but we don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► it's like you don't have to use it anyway the suggestions I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► sent us for Apple applications that use CoreData iCloud syncing are the trailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/56">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► app on iOS and sinking for keyboard shortcuts between Mac and iOS was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/61">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► the only reason we got sent that so once I saw yes yeah and what's funny so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/66">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► the trailers nap you know find that's how much data is that actually syncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/71">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► keyboard shortcuts think I've actually heard many people complaining of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/79">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► shortcuts are not syncing so if that is using Core Data iCloud syncing that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/85">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► really not a good recommendation for even if it's just too obscure apps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► the kind of you know the exception that proves the rule is not something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/96">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► underlies like their major apps unlike for example cloud kit which they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► building major applications like photos and everything on top of words like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► that doesn't work people are gonna notice whereas if the trailers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► operating keyboard shortcuts Inc doesn't work maybe some piano but it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► you know it's destroying their family photos when I was when was it was when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/112">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► iOS eat was in beta I believe I don't even think that I had upgraded any of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/119">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► devices time to the beach at this point but my keyboard keyboard shortcuts was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/127">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► completely bored until I had everything on Iowa State yosemite and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► infuriating dunno if you if you notice about me gentlemen but I tend to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► emoji occasionally and i have shortcuts for most of my frequently used emoji and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/142">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► i felt absolutely crippled without them it was a dark dark time I'm so sorry to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/147">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► hear anyway so we talked in inner episode 10 2012 ballots in interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/153">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► with Andy minutiae that was in objective CIO and Hendrick wrote in and said man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► we should really talk about it so I guess we didn't really give it a fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► time and I think one of one of you guys I guess John had written a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/172">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► that we should probably also bring up from that interview one thing and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/176">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► we did talk about I'm vaguely remember talking about the thing but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► remember this paragraph or did the highlighted bit talking about react but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/184">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► any used to work for Apple so what it was like when he was at a time when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/189">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► was there is one of the complaint I have about my time at Apple's that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► the culture doesn't value learning nobody reads nobody knows what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/198">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► on the broader community people didn't know about react at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► react in that region that doesn't make me feel good because then it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/206">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► bad idea that have about any big company the idea that Apple still with all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/212">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► super smart people making amazing products but they're dead they're sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/217">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► of insular that they're not like they're interested in what they're doing but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/220">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► so much is that what's going on elsewhere I don't know just one person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► complaint about you know obviously one person working the whole company they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/227">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► work in a small part of the company and there's there's obviously evidence that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/231">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► places where this is not the case I would hold swift as an example it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► clear to design a swift heavily influenced by other languages all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/238">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► which are you know being developed outside of Apple so it's obviously not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/242">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► as you know in a weird looking insular as this complaint makes it sound but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/246">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► idea that could exist at all inside Apple's kind of disappointing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► yeah and and you know this is this is a fairly credible and relevant statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/256">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► because it was on was on UI kit in I don't know exactly what capacity but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/261">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► think a pretty high one it's so so he was a right where the discussion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/266">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► react with the most relevant in UI kit that's exactly where this is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► he was there and he is as far as I'm aware pretty well respected so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/275">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► i i wouldn't take this comment lightly in fact when I when I first read this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/281">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► was I was really surprised that it didn't get more attention because to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► it's it's kind of a bombshell to say that because the culture doesn't value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► learning nobody reads nobody knows what's going on in the broader community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► those are big statements to me especially from somebody like this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► like I don't think he goes around like throwing around phrases like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► lightly but he also made by somebody who left right and that person left probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/306">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► because they weren't getting enough of you know there is new interesting novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► opening outside of apple an apple in some respects has to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► conservative because you know they're big they've got a big operation down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/318">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► there they can't just be chasing after the show anything else are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► directions and as we've discussed and passions it seems like the technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/325">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► resources that Apple are fairly overextended like it's very hard work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► their tight deadlines they're expected to do amazing things and put in long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/335">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► hours that doesn't leave much time left to be sort of reading blogs about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► interesting new technology to me and not influence and really liked it ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/343">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► personal interest you read about it but like how relevant is it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/347">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► like what you just come in one day oh I have an idea guys let's not forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► you I can do something that incorporate some of the ideas that i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► elsewhere by reading this programming block among other frameworks they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/357">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► go great great let's play let's go do that right that's not something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/361">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► happens if you're just doing it on your own like the people who are super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/367">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► interesting that I would imagine leave Apple because you're not going to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► do that very few people are going to get to make that kind of radical decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/374">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► and have it take place against with the example of it actually taking place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► because a very important person you know an idea influenced by lots of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/383">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► languages and managed to get done even that was a fairly large effort over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/389">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► a situation that's probably not going to say and he really loved reacting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► ideas inherited what could he do with those ideas that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► than you know pursue something else where you can use used one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/403">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► that's really tough about consulting is that if I do some sort of self-directed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/410">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► learning outside of work because goodness knows I'm not gonna have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► time at work unless I'm quote unquote on the bench and not building a client and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/422">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► not earning money and generally a waste of space where do they actually use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► phrase on the bench I do I think it's common phrase that's certainly something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/430">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► I've always said which is funny cause I'm not much of an athlete it comes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► sports but whatever I don't maybe that's bothersome to most to me that's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/437">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► bad as circle back and keep me in the loop and all the other god-awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/442">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► exactly anyway so if I do some self-directed learning let's say I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/448">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► know maybe I learn a little bit about note for whatever reason the likelihood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/454">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► that I'm going to be able to bring that back to the office in a direct way is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/458">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► virtually nonexistent now there's a lot of ways in which I can bring it back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/463">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► the office in an indirect way for example a more robust knowledge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► JavaScript is going to serve me well when I'm writing JavaScript for a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► browser but the likelihood that I'm ever going to be asked to do a nude project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► for work is virtually nonexistent and that's a bummer and that sucks and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/481">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► not that we don't learn at work but it's hard it's hard when what you're learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/487">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► is so far removed from what you're doing day today and I could make and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/492">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► john was making a pretty solid argument that react well yes it's all you I but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/497">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► the mechanisms are so far removed from what Apple doesn't UIKit how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/502">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► really applied that if you're a you I can engineer kind of so discontent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/506">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► agitation like boy if you really turned on by these exciting developments that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► are happening elsewhere in the new go back to work and realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► i cant like forget about it and direct application of knowledge like I could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/520">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► I get the right now but like I can't even incorporate these ideas into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/523">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► work to the degree that I think I should be able to get some ideas ideas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► small I guess I can apply them to what I'm actually doing in this new UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► framework but some ideas are large and it's like this idea of money make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/534">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► that the scale of like how is the API design how was what is the model of UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/537">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► interaction like the model of reactive so much different than i love you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► kidded such a big idea that you know it's like structure not like details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/546">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► that have you apply that if you're not going to say I'm gonna make some home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► who you know I paradigm and that's not something you get to do ya right do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/556">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► want to do you a quick word from a friend and then we can talk about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/563">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► car related stuff our first bunch of this week is our friends once again at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► cards against humanity now last last time they sponsored us they sent John it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/574">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► hoster to review instead of doing a typical a dream I actually have no ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/580">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► copy for them they didn't give me any so this week they have sent John another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/584">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► toaster John what did you think of your current duster alright no no contact us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/590">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► when you want to know why they don't talk about toasters listen to the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► episode this toasters the Panasonic NBG 110 p [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/599">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► raining when I haven't listened to them in a long time so but my recollection is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/605">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► that something that I talked about on the show was the idea that I seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► toasters that seemed to use different technology to to heat the food I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/619">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► like boy this is great I bet these are gonna hit up faster in heat more evenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/625">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► and pretty soon all toasters will be like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► when I went to go buy toasters I looked around I didn't see any high-tech those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► who think maybe I was just imagining it was bad and the eighties and nineties I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/635">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► just forgot about it but all the toasters back to the same old you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/639">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► designed that I'd seen in the past while this Panasonic coasters very close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/643">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► the sort of futuristic you know advanced toasters that I was thinking of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► thought all toasters would be like it has a hearing on the bottom looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/651">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► certain normal but it's got a heating element to getting out into the top one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► of which is near infrared and one of which is far infrared one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/658">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► someone in the chatroom tell me which is which I'm assuming it's the near gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/663">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► off lots of visible light so it's almost like toaster has a big light inside it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► but that's actually part of the heating element anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► bottom line is this thing make toaster really fast it was like a minute and 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/673">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► seconds faster than maybe expensive toaster nothing like double the speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/678">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► right and was fairly even is only one element on the bottom 20 mins tops that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/683">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► would you put if you put four slices of toast there's not quite as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► having two elements eating them but wow is it definitely fast is that faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► than a slot toaster at me because that's one of the advantages that the slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► toaster people usually site is it goes faster maybe I do not want to time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/697">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► against it is time to get my other sister but in other respects this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► toasters weird like my Panasonic which is sort of a kitchen appliance brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/707">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► least not in this country that it's very vertical and operate the controls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/713">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► below the door and set it to the side so it's like saving horizontal counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► space the cord comes out of the front right corner of the toaster understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/721">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► maybe it's meant to be tucked into something but I don't think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/726">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► walls close to it it's it's very confusing like it's got a power button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/731">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► power but not like a power button to turn on the 22 toast food but a power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/737">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► button as in now to toasters on now you can use the controls that are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► toaster like it and so you need to remember to turn it off or maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/745">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► don't members are not our nose like a parasitic power loss if you don't turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/752">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► the power off it's very strange and the controls in the front this is big on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/756">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► where it's like instead of it does have control for temperature controls for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► time though but your digital and the temperature settings are like five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/764">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► six little different settings that you can set and you know how to do each time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/767">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► but it also has buttons for various types of food and if I had to guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/770">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► these you know what kind of buttons you would have a toaster six of them I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► not get the first one is toast fine I guess that one second one is waffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► frozen waffle goes the third bunny is a role and it also says reheat I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/783">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► you're reading roles the fourth one is frozen pizza if the money is quick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/790">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► reheat chicken leg and the last one is hash browns shows versions of all peeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/795">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► chicken hash brown like these bugs confuse me I feel like if they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/803">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► gone and I you just had to use the normal controls that would be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► anyway this is a very interesting post I think this was the sweet home pick for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/811">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► the best toaster it toast bread really fast it's kind of small you can't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► for full-size pieces of bread into it the trade does slide out when you open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► it has a lot of things to recommend it not bad but it's a weird it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► it might be it do you think it would be a fair pic if you had like you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► concerns about counter space usage it's very high though in like I think I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/835">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► give up like it's just about like half an inch to narrative to put two slices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► of bread side-by-side as frustrating I like you try to put it says a for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► slice toaster but you gotta have some pretty darn small bread you cannot get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/848">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► four and it's frustrating when you get something that's a little bit because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/851">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► you can fit them in their alleged and smashing together in that that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/856">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► doesn't feel comfortable so I wouldn't sacrifice I would I would give up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/860">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► easily just be able to hit four slices of toast in it but can't argue with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/865">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► speed Superfest the bread slice count that as poster advertising the cantos it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► once it's kind of like being number of people that tense advertise they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/874">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► sleep habits like you basically always have to like add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/878">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► John how do you think this toaster ranks among the other now to that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► stuff it has a lot of things to recommend that over the previous poster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► but the previous poster is just so much more normal like it's slower but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/893">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► it did the previous one did a better job at four slices of bread and actually fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► four slices it seemed even more evenly the controls are definitely more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/901">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► conventional I would probably pick this weird crazy fancy toaster over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► previous one just because it has some advantages the other one is like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/909">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► does everything ok I think I would I don't know it's tough choice I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► would probably just edging the bread in there and just be happy as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/919">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► the other one which is just kind of like you know the dials and all that business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/925">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► this doesn't have the dow problem you said that you only have like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► settings set about once you find out which of the six settings works best for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► your bread you don't have to change it you just hit the power button it toast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► think I'd go with the fancy one although I would never have complained about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/938">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► all the time you unlike my pants does to reach the only complaint I have about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► is a stupid spring in the door which apparently is only on my particular unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► alright well thanks a lot two cards against humanity for sponsoring our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/950">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► once again check them out cards against humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/956">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► all right that was I love this I hope it never stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/959">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► sponsors do something but I hope so alright so so long time ago in a galaxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/966">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► that's a Star Wars reference John we started to a car themed podcast called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/972">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► neutral the end at first everyone was like John her back in there is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/984">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► and then after a few episodes they were like yeah still talking but all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/991">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► sudden like a phoenix except not really at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► neutrals kind of coming back from the dead because here it is on our Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► themes technology show their ease humongous talk these days that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► might make a car I don't know about you but I'm feeling pretty darn smug right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► now how about you guys know I'm I'm scared that they're actually gonna do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► I really I really don't think they should not know anything about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► any of you are credible I mean there's to me there so many reasons why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► might be a terrible hit here but let's look at the source of your let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► where you know I have a bunch of links in there where who is saying that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► is doing anything having to do with while nine to five mac.com access on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► talk about who they hired hired head of mercedes-benz R&D I think he did like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► the Edit interactive like this you know the screen type stuff inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► mercedes-benz and there are two things like whatever like you mean that we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► they have car play that's not like a secret and you hired a guy who does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► car place for mercedes-benz finance and I'm to buy back probably credible does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► probably happen but it doesn't make us freaked out too much but then the Wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► Street Journal weighs in on the whole issue at all Street Journal post this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► big thing that is pretty unequivocal like a wall street journal is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► rumor side and their their record a track record for Apple is pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► they tend to get a lot of these sort of but we assume are controlled leaks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► stuff but this was like it was the title Apple gears up to challenge test Leno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► electric cars and it's a big long article and is talking all about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► you know that that they're secretly working hundreds of employees is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► secretly working creating an Apple branded electric car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► and lots of important people are on the project and it started two years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► they've got to engineers from Ford working on it and the person who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► making it was given permission to create thousand-person team and to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► employees are different parts of the company all the same things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► applicant of you know like when the iPhone was made with forestall going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► around it and snagging all the good engineers you know the price of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► company's and you wanna come work on our project or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► an apple spokesman declined to comment so you know we're not saying this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► hundred percent slam dunk but suddenly you start to notice like I had not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► taking any of this Apple make cars that series The at all because there are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► so many reasons like Margaret said for Apple to hire all these car related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► people like they have car playback that explains almost any car hire I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► know about that I mean car place is really a very small move in the grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► scheme of things like it's it's not a big initiatives far as we can tell so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► far from what we see in the outside and I I should clarify so I I did my app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► compatible but nothing none of what I'm saying is informed by any inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► knowledge of that I don't have any inside knowledge of that so sharply is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► it is a very small project that as far as I can tell is having a very slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► start it's the use by very few cars its use by very few people it's usually very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► few apps and among the cars and people and apps that are used with car play it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► usually gets mixed reviews and I don't know and I love it the fault of the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► units or the controls or the software I have no idea but it it seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► pretty pretty tiny hobby project so I don't think they would be hiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► allegedly hundreds of people making the giant secret research lab just to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► like the next version of car play that day I don't think that's possible that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► the information we can't confirm we can confirm things more or less like who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► hired to work it out on those of the the confirmed facts of this case that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► know they actually check on and like you know they hired the guy from our and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► savings Rd they'd maybe they hired some guy from four to configure thats alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► but you can't confirm hundreds of people being moved from division a division be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► you know me like that's that's all just kind of rumors and stuff so i'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► is I called all of the news about a particular executive or a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► higher important if we heard if we hear about hiring somebody that probably an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► important person in those are in the ones and twos and carpet told explains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► any of those higher right when they said is if they really are hundreds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► thousands of people often some off-site location working on a big project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► that doesn't seem like our place in its current form but it could be many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► things like helping to make you know design the entire interior and interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► of a card that they don't happen to make that would be a significant undertaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► partner specific car maker by the way mixed in with all this are the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► from earlier months ago like Tesla hiring away all the Apple employees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► test was hired by Apple employees which I kinda makes sense to me when I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► those stories it's like well yeah you wouldn't want to go work for testing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► it's kind of a shame because what I merely popped into my mind is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► you on mosque walking through a garden with us I'm Apple engineer in saying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► your cell sheriff owns interests your life with me and change the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► Casey that's a reference by the way like who is this year is on the other foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► now it's like well what's more exciting like revolutionising the world cars with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► electric cars or during with Apple's doing and maybe it's closer maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► toss up a certain Apple vs Pepsi got I can imagine not being very difficult for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► test lead to higher way Apple employees who work are nuts because you don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► to work on cars it outright or do you and then that Apple tried to buy Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► you know about the people they again failed the unsubstantiated some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► predicting that Apple will buy data some people particularly did draw them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► every time you read something like that it's like yeah yeah it's easy to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► that story but there are so many things that we have had retroactivity confirmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► about Apple trying to buy companies that do you know refuse them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► considered buying companies and didn't like trying to drive by by Dropbox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► are really buying Dropbox and they're down inside Palm Way back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► because people can remember that like these are not the best thing about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► these stories they're not entirely plausible these rumors they don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1372">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► don't think any of us hundred percent believe any of these because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► evidence is not there is a part of that all of us get to the point where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► willing to entertain the thought right one of the reasons why I never thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► Apple would make a TV set which have talked about a few times here before is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► that the TV set business is just kind of a messy business it like it it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► a very very big like you know commodity business supply chain business but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► know where that that leads to a lot of profit usually unlike the phone business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► in the end their computer business and it's also not an item that is frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► updated and upgraded typically people buy TVs like every decade or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► it's it's not like every couple years kinda like a phone or computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► there's not a lot of ways and Apple TV as a friend from whatever we know today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► TV world to be there's not really a lot of ways and Apple TV could really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► meaningfully differentiate itself from what the current little AppleTV puck box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► another one could do so it seems like getting into the TV set business is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► only unnecessary as they can get all the value they needed just making the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► but also probably not wise is it just it's kind of just kind of a messy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► business well talk about a messy business about the car business and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► the car business is not only extraordinarily expensive to get started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and and to run and and of course no Apple has the cash if they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► build a car factory in design cars they could whether they should and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► they would is a very different story but certainly they have the money they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► afford to set this up even though it is extremely expensive the big problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► see with it though is that you like like the television business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► the car business is just really kinda messy Apple doesn't really get into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► lot of those like Messi businesses that often like cell phones are pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► missing while they were never a cell phone carrier for instance I know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► tried to be that that was the first thing to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► carriers can we do have fun without involving carriers and they pursued that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► right and they just determined no you can't be we need to carry right it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► type of I know it's not a business that they like to be in but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► businesses that have been messy Intel Apple entered them and sort of clarified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► when I look at this whole situation here I think to myself who is the apple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► the car business if you want to I would argue BMW but I am hugely bias and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► would say there isn't one i mean there there is a mean as just as car analogies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► are often used frequently misused in tech discussions and debates in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► this massive Cornell you there is no equivalent there is no fair point and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► think there's a hundred percent there's an Apple the car business thats Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► the reason it's Tesla is not so much for anything like Oh cuz they have big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► tablet on that for their the Apple the carbons know that the Apple the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► business because time for jan had to come out there re-imagined but the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► could be and they took out all the crap in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► getting rid of hydraulic brakes is like there's nothing to go see a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► tomorrow s there's no car there there is no car inside that car like you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► around and it is a big thing in the back seat to go and what the hell is the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► and into the interior is no like and the massive simplification of the car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► it lol how many parts the car has a lot of these things like you know ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► thousand coupons retired to make our whatever like the number of parts in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► a test look compared to the number of parts and internal combustion engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► alone let alone the entire car surrounding it is just night and day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► so that's the type of simplification not the testament of electric car obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► you know there's another reason I think they like Apple but that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► simplification of like we're not just going to make a car we're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► something that is simpler and better and you know has fewer parts and less things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► that can go wrong and different characteristics and think people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► gonna tell us can't because of you know range problems or you know that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► just make nice noises like internal combustion engine also things but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► going to do it anyway and it's like Apple's new Apple didn't invent the mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► player the mobile phone or anything else to do not about the electric car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► many people have been made before them and most of them have not been that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► great bike from the GME V-one way back in the day with acid batteries all up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► through all the different models that are hybrids and the things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► gone in between in Tesla is you know take the Apple approaches are leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► doing whatever it takes to make a good electric car which are not to cost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► a hundred grand right but you know its first electric car that people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► say is a good car and that's totally an apple type of thing to do and the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► the way that it's made it is such a difference you know dealing with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► internal combustion everything right so that makes me think that if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► impossible for a company to do an apple like think the cars Tesla shows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► difficult that is because you have to deal with you know dealer organizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► making so you can sell your car in your states and all the crazy government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► regulations and not guarantee that even though the government subsidies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► test was going to come out on top and blah blah blah blah but I think test of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► the apple of cars and that's kind of bad for Apple making a car because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► already in half of cars with the hell that we're gonna do if they can't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► test to see here's the thing I know you're wrong that Tesla is the apple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► cars and in the reason you're wrong is because a software update actually made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► the Tesla faster who police said that all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► with every release in the same hardware as the days I did that by starting off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► crappy leadership the couple seconds here just being silly oh I forgot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► other rumor involved with the car thing that we talked about it a preview shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► like you know minivan spotted with weird stuff on the roof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► reportedly Apple self-driving cars and we talked about that said that is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► easily explained by Apple doing something like Street View which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► think they need is Apple interested in self-driving cars that's a that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► totally and Apple style simplification like you even need to drive the car but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► i think is not as interested in Google as Google is in that kind of basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► yeah and and for whatever it's worth the Wall Street Journal article said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► specifically that a person familiar with the project said that self driving cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► are not part of Apple's current plan and that's also I mean that's for the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► mean how how well do you think Apple does with really complicated academic a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► I kind of problems that's that's not really their strong points and honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► I think at this point the Apple's ability to make a card no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► many people they hire 900 engineers they put on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► look how long it took tests led to make its first car with the help of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► essentially buying lotus's and strapping its batteries and engines like Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► a leg up on them that they have a billion dollars and that that helps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► along significantly but it takes a long time to build expertise and even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► can buy expertise takes a long time to buy expertise and get it all working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► together like again I think they could do it but it would be a long road and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► Apple decided it wants to make a car because it believes cars can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► simplified and can be made better or whatever the obvious movies 2 by Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► because they've already done so much of that work and their philosophy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► simplification and reimagining the car as something both better and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► totally in line with the type of stuff that Apple does just that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► so has there been a time in the past when Apple has taken a product that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► basically fully formed in bought the company and made it their own I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► what was it sound jam became iTunes is that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► had worked out well that's sort of kind of what I'm talking about but if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► bought Tesla don't you imagine they would keep the test lybrand like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► would make it the Apple car like that in beats is probably the obvious answer my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► question right i mean they didn't even want to change the branded a headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► maker I would imagine they would keep the test the branch the so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► about this just made me really skeptical that that these reports are getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► right big picture like you know you can you can pick up bits and pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► information here in there and you can say oh they hired this person who has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► car background and it seemed that they're making a big lab and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► all the study you can put together bits and pieces but I really don't know if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► the conclusion is well of course the carcass there are so many reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► that is not an apple like business to enter and you know not to say Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► can't change and enter new businesses that's how progress is made but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► just doesn't seem like like like the right business to enter a mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► you mess this up people died like it it's very serious it's very cumbersome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► of a business to enter to to be in at all it is extremely hyper competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► hyper-competitive I would call it there are large barriers to entry which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► kind of the opposite of hyper competitive like the fact that GM's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► still how competitive can it really be where'd you go to business the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► government put you back into business really that great new car student to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► kill people sometimes but I like it all work out in the end like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► it's their high barriers to entry but like the argument I seen a lot of places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► like the view from the gym executive that the car business like your kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► the TV business the car business is not like a higher profit businesses low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► margin it's difficult to people saying they whether it's about TVs about cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► like them why and how you even in this business you just described your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► business is pretty darn crappy right but you could describe the PC market the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► same way low margin it's a race to the bottom it's crappy somehow manages to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► make money there and the phone market in similar way that Apple's big thing kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► of like Tesla this point is we find the most profitable part of the market but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► you just need the top and we make a lot of money in that part and maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► expand down as we're able to but I don't think it's impossible for Apple to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► margins on its theoretical car that would make him cry because Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► better way simply the new internal combustion engine car already has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► some of the expertise and contacts to do the battery stuff and you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► already buy a lot of lithium batteries yeah like there is definite synergies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► there but like I I don't entirely by the story in a bit like almost every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► organizing against it and and even the TV for knows where to get out CDs from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► that will construct something inside it like is it a low margin business AppleTV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► wouldn't be low margin you know me at like at Apple TV will not be like oh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► make $2 every TV if Apple makes a car it will not be a low margin car I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► even know what the morning stars government subsidies being factored in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► but if Apple was making the Model S they can make it for less money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► just because you know you gotta have money to make money the deals you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► out the contracts you know that Apple could make it for less money than making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► it so immediately the car has a higher margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► so all the arguments against don't make our own is compelling to me the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► like that Apple is like a wider than Apple make boats while they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► airplanes why don't they sell real estate like their you know their company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► uses technology to make people's lives better but a certain point when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► going to like cars or constructing buildings or opening medical clinics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► around the country these are all things that Apple could do but it starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► drift off the path of what I picture as a business that Apple want to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► just because it involves technology everything involved technology this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► point so I'm I have from this one Wall Street Journal story maybe take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► seriously but just convince me that I think you know what a few people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► said they worried about Apple's focus you know if this is true and if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► not making a car like you know what the focus and I think when we look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► is you've heard I pretty sure steve is to say as I know Tim always says this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► which is that Apple tends to only or ideally the idea that maybe maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► the actual Apple but the ideal Apple is a company that only enters markets where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► they think they can make a really meaningful difference that doesn't help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► you I does it cause don't you think they would say we can totally make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► meaningful difference by changing the way everybody drives like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► totally a meaningful difference but from the product side lake we already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► electric cars I know but they never really been done right and testing being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► choked to death by you know that the rest of the automotive industry like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► kinda think of Tessalit way it's like a little fledging little bird then we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► wanted to fly but getting beaten down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► and it's amazing that has done about the candle you know with government help and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► everything but like wouldn't we all feel terrible if test leaders didn't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► would be unfortunate like it was like we know that they've made a good car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► the Model S is a good car care is a hundred grand a better be a good car but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► it is a good cars like the first good electric car like the roster didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► apply that it has limitations on so far that's like wow so much fun did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► it's it's nice to drive is attractive it's got all the advantages even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► spectrometric parts really fun like they did it right and now you just keep you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► know we're gonna get cheaper one they gonna get $30,000 SUV like you want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► to just spool up and eventually become a real car company failed that they can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► go we didn't quite make it we're filing for bankruptcy or whatever and it won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► be disappointed I think that shows that we want someone to come in and make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► significant difference in the industry whether that has to involve Apple at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► I don't know why I mean if if we don't want to keep the groaning about me but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► don't think they're going to be pulling people off you I get to work on the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► you know maybe kind of the interface but of course they will but not to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► degree that like people got pulled over always tend to work like there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► Automotive Engineers that Apple pulled off their current project to work on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► car automotive engineers are you know that the different skill set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► you know maybe the manufacturing people will be some crossover but it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► be as big of a focus diversion as many other things that Apple does do so I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► NOT groaning quite as much about losing focus on you know it's nice and hire new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► people are like I said that was by Tesla they come with a bunch of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► already know how to make cars but I was really getting at with the with the make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► a meaningful difference thing from the buyer's perspective like if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► buying an Apple car or let's say right now let's see your bio test look as bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► that's the closest thing we have to what we think this might be the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► we think this would be probably look at what the market today oh probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► closest to it than any other vehicle may be a leaf but probably probably closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► Tesla so if you think about that as a driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► I mean none of us have electric cars so we don't really maybe this is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► right people to be speculating on this part but is there that much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► difference when you're driving the car when your own the car whether it's let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► your gas so much so that an apple car could be like radically different to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► and operate and drive than any other car like i don't i don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► differences are that big I think they are like other than the battery which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► still a concern but Tesla has a built-in way to replacing everything that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► maintenance the maintenance concerns and costs and the number of things that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► like this just less stuff in the damn car's electric motors and like when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► brakes are electric to ya gotta replace brake pads for like there's no fluids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► there is no like you know gonna hydraulic system is just there's no oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► no gaskets is just so much stuff that you have to deal with car maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► goes away and so you know I just think that is that's a different experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► driving a car but but what can apple bring to that that test and Nissan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► everybody else can't I mean that's why there was just a test like but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► the problem but you know so what can I bring to the company's cantwell what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► future for testing if they buy it right because if you are worried about Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► if they're not going to make it if they can't make you know $100,000 cars are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► fun but they can't feel the $30,000 mother never going to be a player in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► industry is you just have to come down in price a little bit you know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► significant number of cars at Tesla can't get that done and its own Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► can make sure that that's that's a pretty weak argument that and obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► they would make they would make the UI in the interface inside much better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► it is now hopefully I mean there are areas for simplification in the interior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► car that you would hope I mean maybe not today's appt only lost faith in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► ability to make these interfaces but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► the apple of old you would imagine could simplify the interior of the car in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► same whether the iPad somebody music player and the iPhone simplified phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► again maybe it s already did that with my putting a big I bet on the dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► but I don't like I don't think I'll be able to bring to bring as much to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► as they brought to obviously as the phones or anything like that but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► out the questionnaire asking themselves like you know test looks like they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► done a lot of the work so we shouldn't even bother maybe I don't know I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► coming back to what's in it for Apple and I think we've been dancing around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► that question you know this entire discussion and what is it that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► doing a car would would serve for Apple now maybe would keep your engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► entertained we've talked on and off about how the worst reason why not say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► it's good reason but engineers designers entertained maybe whatever the case may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► be I mean we've talked about talent retention here and there over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► and you know that would theoretically retain talent but of course I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► assuming that every nerd's also car not mad could not be further from the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► the only other thing I can think of is what if there's some sort of technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► that that Apple has invented or figured out how to leverage in such a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► it lends itself to a vehicle rather than a piece of electronics what I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► of is the click wheel made the iPod in many ways made the iPod the iPod still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► click steering exactly and different that I cried so give give me an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► technology hypothetical that you can imagine this being the case so so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► finish my thought just very quickly in a multi-touch yet wasn't near but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► leveraged differently and and there are other examples I don't think I can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► of off the top of my head but what if they had some crazy new battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► technology and the reason it's not an iOS devices right now or or MacBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► right now is because it's just too freakin big deal maybe these batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► are hugely hugely hugely efficient they can charge in 12 seconds but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► unfortunately they're just freakin massive and so the only thing that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► is really good for is the electric vehicle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► granted this all hugely hypothetical but in that case maybe they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► something to contribute and that seems to me to be the kind of thing that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► would make apple say you know maybe we should give the shot some sort of either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► different and interesting application of an existing technology or even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► some sort of brand new technology that for whatever reason they just cant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► shoehorned into a iPad or an iPhone or MacBook Air MacBook Pro or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► again mister fusion argue that are a flux capacitor yeah yeah yeah but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► that's perhaps the least a polite thing that could possibly think of like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► does try to do basic research and even they don't do this type of thing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► is no secret battery breakthrough technology that Apple has a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► batteries like anyone's gonna come up with that it's going to be a university [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► theoretical physicist like its first what's going to happen is the basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► research is gonna say that something is potentially possible and then a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► people are going to try to do it in the first person to pull it off is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► not going to be like apple just doesn't do that kind of basic research that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► just not i mean and I don't think that's going to change out the company is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► the way they work like this a Google Adsense them in basic are indeed I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► some some big multiple and Google is not compared to like you know the real basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► research going on in the field of science and engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► Google self-driving cars are you know not a drop in the bucket compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► people who are trying to spending like just years and years working on whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► carbon nanotubes battery technology that's going to come and when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► always grab the stuff that's just it at the edge of what's possible and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► apply their engineering and manufacturing expertise to bring it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► that Apple has anything like that for batteries at like four something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► maybe they have a really good idea about the interface of a car but there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► lot of limitations on the interface of a car because people are kind of used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► it isn't as government regulations saying how it has to be hosted one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► I want Apple making the interface to my car because there is a mean for many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► the same reasons you know we discussed earlier on a neutral which nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► listened to we discussed our feelings on touchscreens vs knobs and buttons versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► a combination of the two and I think we all came down is we actually don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► the Tesla approach of everything on the touchscreen like I I like knobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► buttons for all the controls that are necessary in my car for basic operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► things like the ventilation controls and you know I like anything that's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► center console that's not like the navigation screen I want knobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► buttons for anything evolution screen that i dont wanna touch screen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► of the ones I've seen and used have been terrible I want like like the wheel at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► the eye Dr we all have a great day out he has a somewhat similar one Toyota [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► Lexus have a really weird terrible pointing stick system that's just awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► hideous systems rather brands but for the most part I want knobs and buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► because what you need in a car for both safety especially number one safety and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► also for just reduced annoyance you need a button to work every time to respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► within the same time every time you don't because what you don't need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► doing in a car when you shouldn't be doing in a car is having to check up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► the state of what you think you just did to make sure it took or two to reissue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► of command of a card misinterpreted and if you look at Apple's current software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► designs and systems and and styles and just the standards by which they hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► themselves and in reality what we get from them in practice it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► solid you know there are parts of it that are like the Colonels pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► these days but you know the UI's you know all the other stuff sitting on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► hob the services and everything that these these are not like this requires a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► very different degree of reliability than what consumer software for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► computers and tablets and phones really requires cars like the things in cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► need to work every time and if they miss just a little bit if it's just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► bit bulkier little bit slow or a little bit inconsistent it's really annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► potentially very unsafe and so I don't think I would want Apple making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► kind of software my car at least as we know them today and maybe in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► it'll be very worried if they did it today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► watches reassuring in this regard though because you're talking about is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► what they did with the phone as they made it all screen because they realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► that the buns were limiting and really the number of interesting things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► do with the phone was just all screen just expanded greatly because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► general purpose computing device whereas on the watch they made a slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► different decision yet all screen because they expect similar type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► things but the little digital grounding in the button on the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► acknowledge that in this application it's not just about all I can make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► general purpose computing devices so darn small so other aspects like quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► access and reliable reliable use of you know like one might just make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► pension scheme with a different context here they're not afraid afraid to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► it you know that the highlight feature of their watches interface to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/2850">TS</a>]
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01:10:11 ◼ ► like if you if you take the collection of facts are true I think making the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► is the most likely conclusion to draw from that it's not what I wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► doing it's not what I think they should be doing as from today I mean this could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► also you know it if you see it you said people in 2004 Chevy make a phone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► hear from a lot of people who would say yes but a lot of people who is a well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► maybe they should really focus on the computers you know so we don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► don't know by saying I don't think we should really do this maybe they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► blow us away I don't think it's very likely just because I think they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► make our the design very well but I think about like you know if if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► at like TVs and why again I dunno I said earlier but if you look at why didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► make a TV I think one of the reasons they don't make a TV is that TV's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► have very little interface but the TV itself like the box of the plug into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► have an interface the TV itself has very little interference really you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► basically making tiny just been sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► value maybe and then picking inputs but that's basically what you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► everything else now you know your plug in a box and do you think there's ITV's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► like Apple could not bring a whole lot to that because most of the TV does Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► screen that you turn on and off and pick inputs from the day overtone the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► screen it's like a welcome to bring to the fore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► it's basically just a big screen they own everything on screen it defines the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► experience but they already have that with the box anyway so compare that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► actual car usage like getting out earlier know simply how much an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► bring to dislike as you're using your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► what what parts of what you're doing in your car when you're actually owning and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► driving a car what parts of that process and the experience are you heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► interacting with something where interface quality isn't that important I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► think one of the reasons why cars have such mediocre interfaces so often is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► because it does it really matter that much because for the most part you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► barely ever looking at the controls I hope and you're not doing that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► there's like 12 buttons like they're doing a massive amount of things you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► not running reform software for plenty of good reasons that probably won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► change there's not that much going on there and and many of these advances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► like probably shouldn't happen for safety reasons why I really doubt what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► value Apple could realistically bring to this that would make it worth all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► trouble all this has all the risk of the expense of the loss of focus I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► like what problem are re- Lee desperate for an apple cart to solve and and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4374">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► of us agree that cars often have you know pretty pretty mediocre interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► but all the still drive these cars are mediocre face it we all chose to buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► ones we bought for different reasons really so not only do I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► could make a huge difference here but I'm also skeptical as to whether they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► would succeed much in the market because like people by car so many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► reasons beyond the things Apple's good at well I mean Apple's good fashion to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► buy cars for those reasons but I think your view of what Apple can bring to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► this is too narrow like it's not just about the user interface like bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► the things that Aeschylus essentially already brought to it only bring it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► more people that the ownership and use experience of an electric car is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► an internal combustion engine car and it also different from a hybrid and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► parts in the car that don't necessarily have to do with driving getting in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► out of it like the ownership experience the maintenance experience like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► car looks like how big it can be where can fit like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► the places you can innovate with an electric car where you can innovate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► internal combustion engines you have different constraints and Tesla's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► that now and that that is the that's what I call them the apple of cars like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► that is what they're bringing it to it and yes also hopefully making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► interior of nature interfacing having integration with your iPhone having you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► know like all things you would expect them to do but I think it's the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► total ownership experience that that Apple would be bring to it but I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► going back to what Apple is making the car you said if this rumor is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► mostly the most likely thing like you do you think they're right about everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► is making a car I have to think like thousand-person seems too small and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► would think they would have to be something as article about them hiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► Automotive Engineers carmakers like watching people from different parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► the organization like if I just look at these facts what it looks like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► doing if I say everything is bolstered Journal article is correct is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► working on something having to do with interfaces inside cars it does not look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► to me like they're making a car because this you know if everything is true I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► would think you should be hiring way way way way way more mechanical engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► Automotive Engineers and stuff like that and be much less concerned about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► watching people from the rest of the organization to do like software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► just hiring like it just it just seems like this again unless you're buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► test laboratory comes to those people at the this rumor the most likely thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► that everything was insurance articles like out there doing something much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► significant having to do with the interior cars that's what it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► i think im bored by that too was speaking a boring what if it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► even more boring than anything we've discussed like what if they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► using their their knowledge of system-on-a-chip and building at a NEC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► you or what if they're building a custom ECU to work with their custom head unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► two vertically integrated of the business attorneys all the electronics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► and software in a car but it could be any hard candy GM's can be four it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► snowed could be better Bentley who cares and it's a very boring answer which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► why I don't think it's really Apple style but it's a possibility they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► gotten pretty good at chip design yeah but like I was going to buy it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► don't think they wanna be a parts vendor for carmakers like that said to lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► your business like anything anything where you think and Apple then to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► product or service or technology to all the car makers that is kind of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► reason they can to make a TV and Apple technology work with every cable company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► and all the TV like the industry does not want that is not liable to come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and do what they did the music industry and I'm not going to do that to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► industry right and they basically did to the cell phone industry to like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► all about they did the music industry and like damn now Apple has way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► power to every one of them to how to begin the situation and then it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► the video companies you know TV movies like were not going to let out will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► what they did to the music companies and they were super resistant and it helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► competitors have areas like that cough we learned our lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► the people who didn't learn that lesson for the cell phone companies they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► weren't paying enough attention like you helped build the record companies yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► the movies did you scare them like they were you thinking about themselves and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► became did the same thing actually like how did this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► the car makers I would hope would let that if only because of pride and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► stubbornness which is it seems to be very strong in the car business because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► there are so few car companies in because so many like long story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► traditions having to do with families and everything that they do not want an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► outsider coming in and like everybody's got a different users agree that and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► signal the known anybody coming in tone their business but I don't like it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► to me that Apple if it wants to do something having to do with cars and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► think they seem to be starting in the interior and growing slowly and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► unless they by Tesla which they totally should because it would be great I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► see them making a car thanks a lot for three sponsored this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► cards against humanity fracture and Squarespace and we will see you next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin as it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► because it was accidental and a team article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4711">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► we didn't even mention that it's shaped like a minivan God can imagine that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► it has to be maybe like maybe it's a compact hatchback of some sort but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► thats kinda just mean that's a play I guess where his remarks well you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► should cars you can have things like that leaf did look sort of small smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► cars that are owned by like you can end up with a car that is for lack of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► better term dorky looking at it all just about like oh it's a little commuter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► cars for transportation purposes and that's what's interesting to me as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► but then I can imagine someone who doesn't know anything about cars seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► that Tesla Model X and saying it's kind of like a minivan like anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► doesn't look like you know Ford Crown Victoria from their childhood wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► you wouldn't see defaults SUV rather than minivan if you didn't know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► didn't know anything about cars I would imagine has front looks like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► even-handed like a lot of front overhang because you don't have an engine there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► and you can get better passenger packaging like the smart cards look you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► know I mean like if you make that a little bit larger and profit up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► doesn't have like a nose that doesn't have a hood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► or chrome I don't know that that's of all the the doomsday scenarios them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► making some low electric commuter car like a leaf for like it was just so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► understand because that is and I just really already begun a live interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► ride so good I did how did like half of it so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► everyone's raving about that article but if you have read Katie's johnnie I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► booked a lot of that article read like a book report on the Johnny a book which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► is not to say it's a bad thing is it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► like if you haven't read the book does a lot of information and of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► actual interviews and access and that's the good part of the article a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► I felt like I was waiting for information that I already knew from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► book that's not a slam in the article just why find it difficult to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► through but anyway at one point johnnie I have my side of the window of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► Bentley the Toyota Echo next doing complaints of the styling is terrible so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility dead Apple would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► interested in designing a car and that it would be a dorky car like this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► dark like small you know commuter car for people who don't need to go long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► distances and owning a so much better for people who never even want to own a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► only this is so much unlike on your car that it will be great for you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► they would never do that it accused the board of Ferrari and you know Jony ive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► has Aston Martins and like they like great cool cars but johnnie I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► looking to stay and play the echo not because I think he thinks this Art Deco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► like the idea of a small economical cars terrible but just because he thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► wasn't designed in his mind is like I could do a little car that's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► than he was also picking on somebody down i mean Toyota has not made an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► attractive since at least the nineties if not earlier but was in a super-g at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► all papi was all done in 10 somebody really likes this is one that barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► remember the original Nexus S II coupe interesting designed really the Lexus CT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► about the convertible hardtop original IC you guys maybe don't look at it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► are you gotta go back in time like 11 2001 Lexus came out of the company they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► have one that say they have a picture here of 93292 to the sc300 sc400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► looks kinda like an integrity Miata had a baby and this is like to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► came out i mean but compared like this is comparatively much tighter like as in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► the skin is stretched must I drove this car that this is the innovative thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► about this is not like it but i'm looking back a bit like wow look how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► smoothing curb the front and back are like this before cars became water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► balloons but this is ever reading a story about this that one of the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► inspirations for the styling of his car was literally taking a water balloon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► squeezing it and seeing sweeping with your hands seeing the different shapes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► that is the reason to but compared this to like current actual water balloon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► cars and this looks like a sporty and smelt and just I'm not sure I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► you on how good this is Marco this is not a very attractive card all it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► little bit dated but at the time it came out it was a very refined and stylish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► and it was a distinctive it didn't look like a Mercedes or BMW unlike for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► example the s400 which was like you know the poor man's Mercedes literally only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► ten times more reliable quieter but it was it was like this in the original G S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► actually had some distinctive styling cues were you could say this is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► know the current line alexis is also investing to start using our styling is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► a big giant ugly bow-tie mouth Acura I i would really say like like this year the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► last couple years have really not been kind to most car design we've had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► really really bad it recently I really like the new court and I like the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► five series to happen to be two of our cars but I think the styling of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► cars took a definite turn for the better beat the previous generation with but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► ugly in the previous generation five was not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► yeah I agree with those actually but you can look around the industry you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► a lot of things get sticky seem to keeping workers like for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► everything Acura makes every Acura every Lexus some BMW's if I can say I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► don't like the new m3 styling as we've just as we talk about this collapse I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► don't like that at all I don't like a cure i think is a little bit of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► upswing is the head they had a really serious unfortunate be care and there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► think they're trying to come out of that like the MDX like the low point just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► terror acts whatever that thing like I think they're starting to come out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► I think when they emerged that merge their high incidence back together into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► whatever it is they are on the TSX NRL became the same that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► rationalization and the styling of that car is not entirely hideous and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► DRL wasn't entirely it is often a weird direction I think that you could try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► come back like BMW went off in a direction to in there trying to gather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► it back but you know that the new 3 series starting off in a way direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► 55 was the baby the peak comeback period and we'll see what the next five looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► like to see if it gets better or worse the Maximus terrible these days don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► even look at the maximum are just don't look all my god I heard it was getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► better as it had some dark times but it is just getting worse I missed I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► the 40 S E 96 Maxima was it wasn't it was an incredibly attractive but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► it was at least neutral saying this is the new one oh boy she's what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► and what is wrong with Nissan what a shame the maximum was so good at it lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► its way suppose severely Nissan had some interesting things like the when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► Altima to the wraparound taillights like I was going a little bit too far but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► least it was interesting and I think the maximum like one or two generations ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► also had some interesting features it was stopped on a puffy in the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► direction in the majors lost generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► I miss neutral the ultimate pretty rough these days to thinking car market is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► that welcoming as of late you're really that's a that's compelling these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► well I think I think the move to electric is interesting you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► still it's still pretty limited and expensive but I think that that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► you it's similar to move to SSDs and computers like that is that's clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► eventually obviously it's gonna move more slowly than the city transition but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► turns out gas engines are good enough for so many things and way better it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► at certain other things that like it's gonna it's gonna be a long time before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► gas engines are in the minority but I i think i think the electric cars are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► going to be where we are looking for excitement and whether you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► that's why Apple wants to be a part of it if they do who knows but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► clearly from from people who who have driven them are from people who own them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► there are a lot of compelling differences to them there still are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► 2015 Maxima I was thinking I was thinking of the 2014 12051 holy cow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5269">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► since last time when I first saw the rear end to the c7 Corvette like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► the last time I felt this way what is that may be at the concept I i just then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► search for Nissan Maxima 2015 just the concept of a little bit better but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► yeah this is this is not a shipping car but if it was that would be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► think that it's not an attractive vehicle at least it would be different I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► mean like you could you describe this one as polarizing whereas the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► max but you can just described as mediocre to bad you know this polarizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► you know people with bad taste probably but somebody will love this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► where the current maximum nobody can love it that's what I was thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► the current when we're like that design with a little little corner cut out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► the headlights the first time they did that was interesting but now it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► like a mistake it is look it looks like somebody like somebody just screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► while dragging others design and 3d modeling software everybody Google 404 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► 2014 to cleanse your palate this guy did the Maxima was at the end of the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► sappy Super Bowl commercial from this year the one where the dads race car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► driver and and he liked picks us up from school or something like that where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► killed children to advertise and I said sappy not stupid anyway the dad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► picks up the kids after he's missed his entire childhood but he picks up a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► Maximus all's forgiven I put the link in the chat about one minute 16 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► give or take a little bit with this i'm looking at the 2014 Honda Accord to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► cleanse my palate and you're ready to dig them out because it just looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► completely forgettable like a hybrid of looking at the alexa.com it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5392">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► just like it's just incredibly bland it even in in that light silver color that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► all incredibly bland cars in the last decade have been landed his distinctive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► it is not on bloody attractive has nice wheels I really like a sheet metal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► yes I yeah I will I will give you that point and it is a car shaped car yes wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► it's not shaped like a snail or a poop our standards are pretty low here this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► is this is this is what made you look at the maximal what does that shape like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► not a car that is the epitome of water balloon design I actually do not think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► the Accord is very good looking to be honest with you you don't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► that spoiler lip on the back to keep the wheels on the ground really fast does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► down for so that I think the rear end is not great but it's better than past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► courts but I really like the front of it and even just a little bit too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► chrome on the front just look at all the other hand is that are trying to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► sign language and how gross they are and this is the one car that got this design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► language to be attractive this looks no different to me than what's the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► Toyota Camry this is so different go actually look at a camera camera now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► Camry you will see their money to see them in person it's not a record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► rectilinear headlights look at the camera now and it looks the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► it might just not I would say the Accord looks better I would see the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► is pretty small thank you I would agree with that more know how a giant fish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► mouth looks like it's just the camera has nothing going for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► know it has no distinction to its design is just a series of little details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► tacked onto squishy shape I would say the same thing is true the according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► look like there's not a lot going on here there's it is a very like like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► if you think about what what would be the dictionary definition of a car would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► have a picture of this next to it if you if you if you like those pictures where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► the average every human face and then the most average would not be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► averaged together like the Camry and the maximum they do you do not get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► Accord is not the average it may have been the average of a bunch of cars like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► a decade ago but it is it is off the beaten path of car makers now has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► attractive and classy I would say classy and is not does not embarrass itself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► the way that the only cars do is it just disappears it just blends right into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► whatever I don't think it disappears I think I think being classy in this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► doesn't disappear in the same way that like that Casey's beloved 5 series like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► Moses boring just gonna blends into the background looks like our young thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► distinguishes this girl okay otherwise it's just a car shape car remember when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► all the BMW's bra like the same shape just came in different sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► not that different from now honestly it is now but they all have these boulders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► in triples and flanges all over them and they all have different rules in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► to start when they were all the same the complaint was it's too boring it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► doesn't have the excitement of you know I'm gonna spend much money a car to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► more exciting I just don't want to look like the same car in three sizes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► super boring but I think that's a you know having restraint in being sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► classic car that the places where it decides to emphasize its practices in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► the small details but the overall shape is very just simple and non showing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► think it's perfectly well we're going to get screwed up with the back because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► taillights are particularly nice looking but the overall shape of the car i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► is very pleased to see your definition of classy to me what you're describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► is the e39 m5 when I think boring an unremarkable I think of pretty much any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► accord that's ever been never a good example is the front air dam like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► big plastic front bumper thing we ever gonna call that so many carmakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► including I think most BMWs these days just go nuts with that thing and mess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► up with BMW's your right is that not talked about this a million times the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5635">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► non M Sport front and front air dam on a regular BMW's like a little slit and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► looks awful it looks terrible most of the reason I insisted on getting myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► msport 335 was not because of anything else like it doesn't really go any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► faster doesn't handle any better cuz I've next drive it was strictly for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► air dam because it actually looks good I think most of the things try to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► every you I get his giant jet in take some big scoops and flanges and thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► poking out of it and that's why I think the import smart ones look worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► or at least more gaudy and just look at that look at the big front piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► plastic on the court it is restrained it does not to call attention to itself it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► completes the shape of the car with maybe a little bit of a smarty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► pretensions of like sticking out of the bottom rim little bit and with a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► tiny chrome accent but it does not just compared to the same part on an m3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► current generation m3 which is like screams at you that I'm a transformer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► well but you're just you're making our point which is like the accord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► looks like it looks average and forgettable it is like it doesn't jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► out at you know none of none of the designed just comes out and says look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► me I'm i'ma huge design flaw it just the whole car just looks like an average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► completely forgettable car averaged car doesn't have those wheels and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► say an average guy doesn't have led highlights in the headlights and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► know looking looking restrained I think it does make that again compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► Avalon which looks like a giant cheese grater fish grill flying through the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► hose on it like that is what the average is not this this is the average car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► that the ultimate is the average car that Maximas the average car camera is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► the average car did not look like to compare that they just basically a room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► with the Accord and said well you know he calls himself in the bad way and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► you averaged a bunch of cars together and think they look more like the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► London like all my god the Avalon is ridiculous what is that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► current that's like the Camry with little like this is uglier than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► maximum concept exactly like that's what the average car looks like now and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► at the well to go look at the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► yeah you're right that that front air dam is the kind of front air dam that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► like the beginning whole taken way too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► entirely too far out on top of it as an ugly ugly chrome nose and it got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► shape in headlights hanging off the corners in the fog lights are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► Michigan we agree about this is that I'm using blown away by buy this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► by the Avalon like I i rented an Avalon a couple years ago on a trip and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► it was a pretty reasonable Carly it was huge and and totally marshmallow ailich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► you couldn't feel or do anything but it was overall a respectable choice like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► looked average it was black it was you know low-key it was pretty fast given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► what it was and it was it was comfortable and it was fine it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► was perfectly fine choice this my god I mean look at the goal is now go look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► the camera is pasted that is a look at the front piece of plastic on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► camera and look at the shape of the headline look at how to shape of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► headlights just have no conviction like and keep the Accord open another Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► you keep looking back from one to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► look at the rink in front of the camera all Camry and accord that basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► same are you kidding me look at that way I didn't say they basically look the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► same I did you see them both in front of you do you understand the card is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► different and if you average police cars together they wouldn't like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► again throw and throw in the Altima throw in this this camera looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► it's been an accident doesn't like the way it has a good like half fog lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► like on the side and in the whole front the whole front grille is like weirdly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► shaped and black it looks like it was it was an accident and has been half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► prepared and they haven't painted the new park see a look at the hood look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► the hood cut lines even look at the shape of the headlights look at the hood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► cut lines look at look at the the lack of confidence in the chrome like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► going across the things for the logo is just nothing and I think the only other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► car company boring car company that has cars that have to styling that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► embarrassing it uses Mazda mazda6 again did not look like other cars is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► interesting as a family resemblance and has some interesting but it has has sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► of the courage of his convictions it says conviction right in the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► title conviction creativity courage this is what changes the game the first part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► of the pics and has a 2007 Mazda 6 which i think is a very pretty car for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► has less conviction that it has the kind of large front air dam that I like then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► the generation after hers which started like 2008 2009 there was one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► generations actually that were just terrible but I agree with you that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► brand new mazda6 maybe you're too old now is also very pretty and i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► really really like it and I don't like the styling as much as the accord but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► you can't say that it looks like I think they've made it worse than when I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► paid it actually looks worse than the original generations but like it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► kind of shoulders and hips and its headlights have a purposeful distinct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► shape same thing with its head cut lines everything about it is not like I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► cars where it looks like the mold of the car out of clay and then someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► came later and cut out where the hood would be even beyond the current BMW 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► is with that the hood corners that end on the right and left that just by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► by the headlights like it looks like you made a car shape it was a good car shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► before you put where you cut out for the hood makes it less attractive not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► integrated into the shape it's just that you took a laser images that you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► that I video someone sent us an I watched two seconds of it I didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► a chance you should because first of all make Marco never buy this car which may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► be good because we think we shouldn't he shouldn't buy this car so stop them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► so far I think I shouldn't buy this car so you need to any convincing the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► I wish I never been denied because it is it is not a four-door sedan ultimately I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► really just wanna four-door sedan and I'm very happy with the one you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► some of the chairman said to be in WI it's going to test anxiety test lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► with the exception of perhaps the stupid orientals is a actual real regular car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► like use it everyday nothing about it is weird you can open and close all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► doors simply has weird or as well you can open and close all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► truck catches you get in and get out of it has everything about it is just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► car drivers the aids like it's kind of a work of art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► kind of kind of a a statement about something also kind of works as a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► you're careful alright so so let's let's take on the big guns now I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► active it's not that the front of the front of the best things come out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► the overall shape is pretty decent I would say that the Model S looks like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► it looks like all the personalities been sanded off I don't like the light design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► I don't like the front or the back design or the side design and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► and I've seen a number of them in person and and I don't think they use very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► quality paint I've never split the black doesn't look very good looks boring like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► you can look at certain cars like I would get blacks you can look at certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► cars you can see like certain blacks are better looking than others and test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► light pink has a pretty crappy one and like it doesn't it doesn't look like its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► price at all and for a car that is interesting and revolutionary I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► should look a little more like that and doesn't that's test those weeks by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► Interior the same as well the materials of the Interior the comp supposedly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► the new models there's an option for much better seats but like the interior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► of the materials that the comfort padding on the seeds like it just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► sitting outside of it you know the pain quality the detailing it seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► lower class then it should be I think the overall shape is actually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► good actually kind of interesting and muscular but it like the front and rear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► and treatments do not do justice to the overall shape which is not bad like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► blend overall the headlights and taillights and got rid of that grow on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► the front and just look like the car it looks in that regard think it does look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► like an expensive car in the shape because most cars again maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► exception of like the mazda6 don't look sort of that that must give her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► purposeful especially car with as much interior of the model assets like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► big giant crossover SUV thing that's lowered down but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► consider a game before a Tesla Roadster is flat out ugly like it was not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► attractive looking car all visitors to the shape of it was awkward and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► and everything about it don't think that's true I thought was a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► looking car meet granted it was basically just a lotus but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► think it was a bad way better on that same frame than the Model S has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► something to recommended it sort of defines a test look I don't particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► good test look as bad attractive but I do like the overall shape of the card I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► do think the shape looks little bit expensive but yet a detailing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► get a yacht floor yeah there's an option for a yacht floor I think they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► cranking up here is a super duper famous telling me about the new model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► got to drive one dealership gave him on when his was in the service of get drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► one of the new fast ones and everything and talked about the new options I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► like they realized their weaknesses are like people spend too much money on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► card they want the interior to feel better than $30,000 $35,000 B&W cloth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► seats that are used to do in in European non-us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► and in the problem has always had a lot they've always compared themselves in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► justifying their their high price they've always said well if you compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► us to like a Mercedes S Class which is what we're comfortable to contest right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► if you compare the interior quality to other like the set to a seven series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► has class or the amenities or the amenities you know the Lexus Scion Lexus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► is like if you compare to any of the very high ends large sedans it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► quite match at least it hasn't in the past maybe I haven't seen it yet but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► test level take that class off the line and a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► and so like so you can kind of start selling it is like in the same way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► you don't expect like you know and our DRS Porsche gt3 you know the interior is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► gonna be like strip down and bear like that's part of the aesthetic of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► like you're not in like in some ways Tessa kind of unintentionally has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► going for it like we don't intend to make a stripped-down always thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► maybe in the first model like the interior was like the patent was so then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► the seating area just because they wanted to say boy and like this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► luxurious cushy seats like you have your car margo there were a lot and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► you're trying to cut down and wait you're gonna give it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► cheaper seats that's why I think the good news is there an option and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► wonder how much more they way than the other stuff but if you know if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► gonna go with that thing at least you have performance today still way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► time and change direction that well but like it does it does add that superflat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► cornering attitude that feels weird and you know it's super fast and quiet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► actually a fun electric car to drive by all accounts I gotta drive 1 I'm tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► of guessing how much fun it is I think he will find it to be super heavy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► corner strangely flat and be really fast in a straight line that's it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► likely that I'm gonna hit the lack of knobs and buttons have not driven one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► but I have been driven in one and even just being a passenger I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► immediately apparent like I did not like I went in expecting to be able to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► know didn't think about it whatever how flat is it connery like strangely so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► startling without having you know stiff suspension where you feel every bump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► because this humongous weight as a run the bottom of the bottom of the car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6355">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► then did I feel that the car felt heavy I can tell that as a passenger that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► just know it is no wonder how many people are actually listen to this call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► is neutral at people can take it the whole show is neutral this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQI8mng/6370">TS</a>]