00:00:00 ◼ ► from relay this is connected episode 556 recorded on june 11 2025 i'm your annual chairman federico vittici and today's episode is also sponsored by fitbot opencase and ecamm and i'm joined as always by steven hello steven hello federico how are you
00:00:29 ◼ ► i'm doing great i'm i'm in a hotel in in in sunny sunny vale um which is funny to say um and hopefully this hotel wi-fi will work and i have a portable setup made possible by my gear but also the savior that is otj who brought me an aux cable because i forgot to pack one so thank you john thank you john and i am joined by our
00:00:59 ◼ ► our defending keynote chairman mike curly defending successful keynote chairman thank you everyone it's me i'm back it's me i'm the winner we don't even need to do the episode we don't even need to do it i won already it's fine don't even look at it it's fine
00:01:14 ◼ ► i'm the winner i'm the winner we all know it in our hearts and minds everybody knows that i'm the winner
00:01:21 ◼ ► federico how's wwdc been for you so far how's it like over in california it's been very busy uh good vibes but i noticed
00:01:30 ◼ ► something that i was that i was talking about you know with a bunch of people last night um
00:01:34 ◼ ► because of the because of the way it is structured uh at apple park which is not really a place meant to be
00:01:42 ◼ ► a social gathering i have discovered that i spent more time this year with press people compared to
00:01:50 ◼ ► developers or like i ran into fewer people that said oh i'm a mac stories reader or i listen to the shows
00:01:58 ◼ ► i did run into those people but but i noticed that i was always in an area where it was just press people
00:02:06 ◼ ► right and and i continue to think that there was something about the old format of wwdc that was was
00:02:15 ◼ ► nicer in terms of just gathering all together in fact my favorite moment was last night when we went to
00:02:23 ◼ ► see the f1 movie um at the sieve jobs theater yeah yeah it's it's a good movie uh and and they've got a
00:02:32 ◼ ► really good sound system in the sieve jobs theater um but it was my favorite because it was both press
00:02:37 ◼ ► people and some developers who got access to like a lottery system i think so it was one of the few
00:02:44 ◼ ► opportunities for media and developers to be together and i think there should be more opportunities like
00:02:50 ◼ ► that but overall good vibes yeah because it's it's quite split isn't it even like the keynote the media
00:02:56 ◼ ► and the developers are not even in the same place it's always split and like yeah i understand that
00:03:01 ◼ ► like in talking to some to some apple folks that like it's always a disruption for them to have people
00:03:07 ◼ ► over at apple park especially the press people who stay throughout the tuesday and the wednesday and so
00:03:13 ◼ ► you have you know you have people walking by their offices essentially and i know that it is a
00:03:18 ◼ ► disruption but at the same time this is the one time of the year where the apple community can sort of
00:03:23 ◼ ► come together and i don't know what apple can do to to to return obviously i guess returning to the old
00:03:31 ◼ ► format is not an option at this point because they love apple park and they love their control on things
00:03:36 ◼ ► too much but there's a there's a part of me that still misses the social aspect i have i have a
00:03:42 ◼ ► suggestion right this is my this is a genuine suggestion you just gotta let go of it for three days
00:03:48 ◼ ► right there's no work's gonna get done for three days so you gotta make sure no one's got anything in the
00:03:52 ◼ ► offices and open up the the grass area in the middle people can just walk around freely inside of it
00:03:58 ◼ ► make it like a festival just put stuff out in the middle let people go hang out and you everyone can
00:04:04 ◼ ► mingle together you haven't gonna have this weird thing where everyone's trying to go to the uh the
00:04:09 ◼ ► coffee shop at the visitor center but for two days it's roped off and only which is always packed and
00:04:14 ◼ ► there's never room for enough people like yes i tried yesterday because i needed to charge my my ipad
00:04:20 ◼ ► and and they told me look there's tables with power um on the roof and obviously it was all packed and i
00:04:27 ◼ ► was like okay i guess i'll let my ipad die yeah so i just like i say just open up that middle area let
00:04:34 ◼ ► people have a little festival fun time and they're soaking some rays it'd be fantastic that's what i
00:04:38 ◼ ► reckon they should do but i understand logistically that is very complicated but i think that would be
00:04:44 ◼ ► the best way of handling the community aspect that is lost from wwc of old like you just make a place
00:04:51 ◼ ► for people to be yeah so yeah yeah yeah yeah we need to judge not mark german okay did pretty well
00:05:00 ◼ ► they crushed it i look guys we have a leaker we have a leaker we can say it we have a leaker from apple
00:05:08 ◼ ► because we got all of this information before anyone else but no one pays attention to us we we got it
00:05:15 ◼ ► we got it we got it before mark german from a person named not mark german and and i wish that the apple
00:05:24 ◼ ► rumor blogs would pay attention to us because this was all correct after all well they will now because
00:05:31 ◼ ► we had this with upgrade where like i was getting the mike's anonymous informants right uh and they was
00:05:37 ◼ ► giving us stuff and then a couple of the things turned out to be correct and so then from then on we've said
00:05:43 ◼ ► things and it shows up on like nine to five so now when we say not mark german but now anyone could be
00:05:49 ◼ ► that so who knows but look this was spot on can we read the three secrets real quick again yep the
00:05:58 ◼ ► three secrets of not mark german it's a shame to hear you're going back to the mac federico because
00:06:03 ◼ ► this year ipad os is getting live window resizing and positioning similar to mac os and vision os
00:06:09 ◼ ► correct ding ding ipad is getting a triangular pointer when the magic keyboard is in use for
00:06:16 ◼ ► easier targeting of ui elements than the existing circular pointer which is terrible for text selection
00:06:21 ◼ ► ding ipad os 26 will have mac os like app windows the number of windows allowed at once will be
00:06:29 ◼ ► determined by the amount of physical ram on the device three gigabytes for three four for four six
00:06:34 ◼ ► gigabytes gigabytes for eight windows eight gigabytes will or more will allow 12 picture in picture does
00:06:39 ◼ ► not count towards the limit this one because i can tell you apple is not confirming the number right
00:06:44 ◼ ► now but from personal experience having tried myself having seen chris lally try uh these numbers are
00:06:52 ◼ ► not correct so ding ding ding yeah uh not my german got them all way to go buddy so so good job good job
00:07:03 ◼ ► nmg i can't believe that this has happened but it's fantastic that it did uh we all used it yeah
00:07:11 ◼ ► yeah yeah it's pretty great it's pretty good it's pretty great right it's it's uh it's and it it almost
00:07:17 ◼ ► feels like i got this weird moment uh yesterday where it almost feel like you're not supposed to do it
00:07:25 ◼ ► like i realized i was moving a window off screen and it almost felt unnatural to do it on an ipad and
00:07:33 ◼ ► then i realized oh well i guess i can do it now uh it it takes some adjustment but it really takes
00:07:39 ◼ ► just a few minutes to realize oh it's just uh like a mac essentially and i'm sure there'll be some
00:07:45 ◼ ► fine tuning when it comes to uh to some of the how some of the gestures work for example if you just
00:07:52 ◼ ► want to split the screen some of the keyboard shortcuts to me feel like they could be a little
00:07:57 ◼ ► bit of a work in progress um and obviously the design sometimes glitches out but it's beta one and
00:08:03 ◼ ► for being a beta one um i can tell you there's a lot of work that went into essentially essentially
00:08:09 ◼ ► and and we'll talk about this more over the coming weeks but essentially scraping stage manager like
00:08:15 ◼ ► getting rid of the whole thing and now stage manager just being just a almost just a just a
00:08:24 ◼ ► visual aesthetic thing because the windowing system is completely new it was lost on me at first but it's something i
00:08:31 ◼ ► picked up later on like stage manager exists this is not an evolution of stage manager they start it
00:08:36 ◼ ► again that's the reason why all ipads can do this yes like every ipad that runs 26 including the minis
00:08:44 ◼ ► which i can't wait to try uh will be able to do this again for i agree with you federico like i've been
00:08:51 ◼ ► very impressed with it there's some weird edge cases that i'm seeing but it's like i assume this is just
00:08:57 ◼ ► beta related like i find it's very hard to be able to open apps in smaller sizes like just by dragging
00:09:03 ◼ ► them out of the dock like there it seems like sometimes it will make this like preview window
00:09:10 ◼ ► just a little bit smaller so it will open up as a small window it doesn't seem very reliable um i still
00:09:16 ◼ ► want app pairing and multiple i want multiple desktops uh because i don't necessarily want
00:09:22 ◼ ► all of my open apps in view all the time but that's all you can do you can't have like here i'm gonna
00:09:29 ◼ ► have two apps and here i'm gonna have three apps so you would have to have all five that stage manager
00:09:34 ◼ ► their answer is use stage manager yeah but then i can't do the free resizing right yeah stage manager
00:09:40 ◼ ► i think is still kind of on rails um no no no i don't know i don't think that's correct i think
00:09:45 ◼ ► it's the same window in system you just get the grouping stuff well and i will report back on that
00:09:51 ◼ ► because if that's the case this is everything i could ever wish for i can test it right now for you
00:09:56 ◼ ► test it you test it right now so put stage manager on and see if i can do all the free resizing and
00:10:01 ◼ ► have as many windows as i want up there what i will say is this feels like a totally new way to
00:10:07 ◼ ► use an ipad and it's going to take time to settle in but this feels like the way you should be able
00:10:11 ◼ ► to use an ipad mike does this make you want to have a keyboard and trackpad for your oh i bought one
00:10:16 ◼ ► it arrived today yes yeah but only for the for my 13 inch because that's more of like a working
00:10:24 ◼ ► machine anyway um and that's the only one i put the bait around i'm not putting it on my uh 11 for a
00:10:29 ◼ ► while um that's the only thing i put any bait around as much as i want to put it on my phone
00:10:34 ◼ ► but i am resisting i i can tell you now mike that i'm using stage manager with six windows in a
00:10:40 ◼ ► workspace uh fluid resizing and positioning anywhere sick sick let's go let's go oh i'm gonna have a
00:10:51 ◼ ► great time you just get the uh the benefits of grouping by workspace essentially oh yes all right
00:10:58 ◼ ► well i know what i'm doing tonight i'm gonna me and stage man i've got a date with stage manager
00:11:02 ◼ ► this is perfect this is perfect some hot action unconnected very hot hot resizing fluid action
00:11:10 ◼ ► uh i yeah i just i can't believe they did this like they've done it i think i we we also didn't
00:11:17 ◼ ► talk i don't think we had it in our picks anyways right about the the podcasting mode essentially
00:11:28 ◼ ► i don't know why like i'm i'm so happy they've done it i don't know why they've done it there are
00:11:36 ◼ ► some some some technical details there that will need to be figured out uh for example i can tell you
00:11:44 ◼ ► that by default when you enable the local capture which is a toggle in control center um yeah by default
00:11:52 ◼ ► the system doesn't give you separate audio and video tracks it gives you just one video file mp mp4
00:12:00 ◼ ► hevc that has the local video and the local audio in the same file but i believe there's an api for
00:12:08 ◼ ► third-party developers to say well i want to use this uh file formats instead and these like encoding
00:12:14 ◼ ► uh systems so that that will i need to do more research on that but um they specifically called
00:12:20 ◼ ► out podcasters and and even when i was in briefings like that was that was the idea like
00:12:24 ◼ ► we know that a lot of people um you know and and jason and i i think we were in some of the same
00:12:29 ◼ ► briefings i don't remember because it was just a lot of a lot of briefings but but i remember jason
00:12:35 ◼ ► and i kind of looking at each other and be like yeah we tried in the past like the fact we've all
00:12:41 ◼ ► been asking for this right like forever and then over time everyone's been falling off the ipad and
00:12:47 ◼ ► do you think that they're like ah the last domino is federico was the last domino he has fallen we now
00:12:52 ◼ ► must bring out the podcasting mode like that they've been they've been waiting until the last domino
00:12:58 ◼ ► falls and then they bring it in like is that what the case is i think they uh the sense that i got
00:13:03 ◼ ► is that they they apple reads and listens to more stuff on on from from creators than we normally think
00:13:12 ◼ ► um and my sense is that they they they listen to a lot of the things we say and not just me but you know
00:13:19 ◼ ► folks who are really into the ipad uh uh you know chris lolly is one of them i i got to know um
00:13:26 ◼ ► noah herman another great youtuber this week also really into the ipad and really we were all sort of
00:13:32 ◼ ► coming to the same conclusions over the past year and i think apple saw this kind of i don't want to
00:13:39 ◼ ► say movement but this this trend of people saying well you know the ipad nothing has changed for the
00:13:44 ◼ ► past couple of years i'm just gonna give up and go back to the mac and i think apple saw that and and
00:13:50 ◼ ► realized um we we maybe need to accelerate and this is just my speculation but maybe we need to
00:13:56 ◼ ► accelerate some of the developments that we have um which again speculation on my part but it may
00:14:01 ◼ ► also explain why you got some stuff on ipad os this year but maybe you didn't get spotlight right
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00:16:37 ◼ ► the rickies is a game connected host play before apple keynotes in the beginning of a new year
00:16:45 ◼ ► trying to predict future events it is made up of three rounds each host must make two regular picks
00:16:53 ◼ ► followed by a risky pick there are two types of rickies today we are grading our keynote rickies
00:16:58 ◼ ► the winner today will be named the keynote chairman and that position is held until the next keynote
00:17:24 ◼ ► each host gets to make two regular picks hosts can be granted a bonus regular pick for any previously
00:17:38 ◼ ► incorrect pick that has now come true from the last three corresponding games a previously incorrect
00:17:44 ◼ ► pick may be used only once correct regular picks are awarded one point the language used for regular
00:17:51 ◼ ► regular picks must be finalized and agreed upon during recording and no partial points may be awarded
00:17:57 ◼ ► risky picks have a more complex scoring system you could say each host must make a pick with three supporting details
00:18:05 ◼ ► if you get all three details correct you earn two points if you get two right one point
00:18:19 ◼ ► picks must have been approved as risky by the other two hosts before the start of the game
00:18:25 ◼ ► picks made for keynote rickies cannot be reused by the host who made them for the next keynote
00:18:30 ◼ ► for keynote rickies the scoring window starts when the live stream begins and closes when the picks are scored
00:18:36 ◼ ► which is happening right now any information used in scoring must be publicly verifiable at the time of recording
00:18:48 ◼ ► scoring is completed during recording and cannot be modified once an episode is complete
00:18:58 ◼ ► in the case of a three-way tie hosts make their calls at the same time when flipping continuing until a winner is named
00:19:06 ◼ ► jason snell previously had a lifetime ban on flipping any coins in relation to the rookies
00:19:12 ◼ ► however after graduating from coin flip university go fighting coinies during the 2024 podcastathon for saint jude
00:19:20 ◼ ► he can flip a coin under direct supervision the order of picks is set by previous performance
00:20:04 ◼ ► all right so my round one pick in the rickies for wwc this year was significantly new os design on at least one platform
00:20:15 ◼ ► ding ding yes all the platforms liquid glass liquid glass liquid glass or depending on your cropping on youtube liquid something else
00:20:25 ◼ ► liquid glass liquid glass liquid glass can we just for a second can we just talk about the the video the part of the video where alan die is in the design studio wherever and they have printed out big things on the table and they're moving actual pieces of glass over them
00:20:48 ◼ ► and they're moving to glass over them oh so good oh so good oh so good is this reverse skeuomorphism like what has happened kind of like they wanted to understand the physical properties of of glass when it comes to i get so tripped up by these reflections and refractions are two separate things that glass and light do together so that that that that's a thing i saw one of those glass made statues uh the
00:20:59 ◼ ► that's a thing i saw one of those glass made statues uh the have you guys seen pictures of the hello uh glass statue um uh that i posted yeah so i i have seen many
00:21:11 ◼ ► yeah so everyone is that was the that was the that was the that was in the entrance of the new observatory uh room at apple park which we were not allowed to take pictures of the observatory i think it's my favorite place at apple park um and and i made a joke uh i was with a pr person i made a joke uh i was with a pr person i made a joke
00:21:41 ◼ ► i was like oh is this like an artisanal glass made uh you know but very fancy custom tale like i i was trying to be like like a do a silly joke and she looked at me she was like yeah yeah like absolutely stone-faced yes of course yes yes yeah so and i took a picture yeah liquid glass liquid glass dangerous right because that's like molten that would hurt like um that would that would be the last thing you touch you
00:22:11 ◼ ► you shouldn't you know yes in general never touch liquid glass is uh but i don't know how you guys feel about it really i really like this i i'm really intrigued to get it on a phone all of the images that i've seen um it looks better on phones than anywhere else right now which makes sense i think it should put the most effort in there it does um but yeah because you've used it on a phone steven right i have it on a phone on an ipad and a mac
00:22:39 ◼ ► and it is good in that order uh okay tahoe is is really really weird in places yeah but i'm you know i imagine that that is the staging of importance for getting it right right yeah because it's also i feel like much more effort on the iphone to get this right than on the mac because you're touching less of the mac would be my expectation because the mac has a bunch of legacy ui which isn't going to get
00:23:09 ◼ ► changed as much maybe i don't know it's pretty i mean it's pretty thorough it's just uh really ugly in places like toolbars like the buttons stand out because they're liquid glass and they don't really need to be like one difference i think between the iphone ipad and the mac
00:23:28 ◼ ► obviously is that uh on the mac liquid liquid glass is sort of ever present in a way that on the iphone and ipad it's less so on the iphone and ipad it's more reactive to what you're doing and your touch
00:23:42 ◼ ► the mac doesn't have touch and so they've it's kind of shows up in more places but in a way that's not
00:23:49 ◼ ► really logical with the way that it works on the iphone ipad i don't know my first reaction honestly i think i texted it to y'all
00:23:57 ◼ ► my first reaction when i installed it on monday was this looks like a bad linux skin from 2005
00:24:03 ◼ ► um i've warmed up there are some vibes i've warmed up a little bit to it but they need to tone it down
00:24:09 ◼ ► on the mac like that you know i've seen people posting like jailbroke versions of iphones you know
00:24:15 ◼ ► have like clear icons like you know but it doesn't look like it's like evocative of that time but it is
00:24:21 ◼ ► much more refined uh i look i really like it and i think that it's fresh and new and interesting
00:24:35 ◼ ► but i i just gotta say it all right yes everyone's seen control center everyone's seen notification
00:24:41 ◼ ► center uh it doesn't they don't look so great i don't i think people can understand that objectively
00:24:48 ◼ ► they will adjust it right like yeah yeah but i feel like there are a lot of people like oh well
00:24:54 ◼ ► it's just ruined and like and i just i just so strange opinions about design is so odd like yeah
00:25:01 ◼ ► there's look there's a lot of people who think that they have the perfect hot take there's a lot of
00:25:06 ◼ ► there's a lot of grifting going on right now on any social media like anybody trying to be a design
00:25:12 ◼ ► expert with their own critiques and whatever yeah uh i think it looks fun i think it looks good it's beta
00:25:19 ◼ ► one it'll be fine i think i i re-watched the ios 7 part of wwc in 2013 which was weirdly mike and i's
00:25:27 ◼ ► first wwc in person um and i was struck by two things in re-watching that one i really wish apple
00:25:37 ◼ ► did these things live like it's so cool to see the ios 7 video and hear the reaction from the crowd
00:25:44 ◼ ► but it was clear that ios 6 and i was 7 like it was a really big break and ios 6 was feeling pretty
00:25:51 ◼ ► pretty tired um that is i don't think the case this time i don't think the old design was all that tired
00:25:59 ◼ ► they're moving forward for i think other reasons but boy iowa 7 the what they showed off and how it
00:26:06 ◼ ► ended up are actually pretty different um if you go back and look at early versions of those betas
00:26:14 ◼ ► it was rough and they listened to feedback now i think what some people in the community kind of
00:26:20 ◼ ► need to swallow a little bit is like you have to do feedback the way apple wants it like you've got to
00:26:25 ◼ ► do it in the feedback form and then like also post it to your blog or social media right like i do
00:26:30 ◼ ► both and i reference on in my blog post the feedback number and in the feedback ticket i put the blog url
00:26:37 ◼ ► like do both but it's one thing to complain it's another thing to give actual feedback it will change
00:26:43 ◼ ► but they need to hear from us and from people uh you know what's actually going on and also i think
00:26:49 ◼ ► you need you need to do feedback in a way that is productive you know if you just go on the
00:26:53 ◼ ► internet and say i hate it you're you're doing a awful job this is the classic example of tim cook's
00:26:59 ◼ ► apple whatever like that doesn't say anything like if you don't like something be specific about it
00:27:05 ◼ ► and or don't but surely just saying i hate it like in the aggregate i don't think it does much you know
00:27:12 ◼ ► when it comes to like really specific changes and i think you know again having talked to people i think
00:27:19 ◼ ► the more specific you can be and the more sort of especially for developers right right now with the
00:27:25 ◼ ► beta period the more you can offer specific criticism with examples the better you have a shot actually
00:27:34 ◼ ► uh uh you know causing changes right now so yeah i think as well it's like you might not like the way it
00:27:43 ◼ ► looks it doesn't mean it's bad oh yes there is also that um you know um opinions yes yeah i mean i and i
00:27:53 ◼ ► and i overall my overall feeling is is it's really i think it's really interesting um and i'm enjoying
00:28:01 ◼ ► digging into but again it's like using on on an ipad it isn't as dynamic and fluid as it is on the iphone
00:28:08 ◼ ► and again it's like i don't know if that's just a difference in the platform or is that there's still
00:28:11 ◼ ► more to come on that um so i look forward to you know maybe a month or two putting it on my iphone
00:28:20 ◼ ► kind of giving it to kind of midway through the cycle um and and then then go deep on it but yeah i
00:28:26 ◼ ► think in general i think it's it's what i wanted from the the design which is they actually do a
00:28:34 ◼ ► thing right and like they have a thing that they want to do and they do it and they do it across all
00:28:39 ◼ ► the platforms and like they're they have a point of view and they're expressing that and i think that's
00:28:56 ◼ ► they did ding uh it's everything is everything is 26 except for tahoe which is my quest 26 and also
00:29:05 ◼ ► my quest towel it's got two names uh but yeah uh this was a good good report by the real mark german
00:29:13 ◼ ► um before wwc they're going with the annual stuff and it seems to me like um it the the the the
00:29:26 ◼ ► they're gonna call it with the name of the year and also like it was getting confusing you know
00:29:30 ◼ ► you had ios 19 and then mac os something else and vision os 3 like everything was out of track
00:29:38 ◼ ► i just think it makes a lot more sense to go on you know this is what we did this year and and it just
00:29:45 ◼ ► makes a lot more sense and i'm and i'm happy they did it do you think they'll snap the iphone
00:29:52 ◼ ► numbers to the same grid i think they absolutely should i think they absolutely should and i don't
00:29:58 ◼ ► think just the iphone numbers yeah do it all they are they're any product that is i mean i maybe they
00:30:07 ◼ ► can only do with the iphones actually because not everything else gets yearly revs right and it might
00:30:11 ◼ ► be weird the apple watch maybe yeah the apple watch you could do but like you know like the ipad where
00:30:16 ◼ ► you go like ipad pro 24 then ipad pro 27 like you know what i mean like maybe you could do that maybe
00:30:23 ◼ ► that would be fine but i think they any product that gets a number they should change it to this i think
00:30:30 ◼ ► that might be a better way to put it because the products that don't have numbers they just don't do
00:30:33 ◼ ► it especially the phones especially because the competition is doing it so uh at this point you know
00:30:38 ◼ ► you you have samsung saying here's the s26 ultra and and here's the iphone 17 i know it's it's a
00:30:45 ◼ ► stupid thing but you got the smaller number and i think it just gets even more complicated when you're
00:30:50 ◼ ► like here's the iphone 17 that runs ios 26 yes yeah yeah yeah all right uh my round one pick
00:30:58 ◼ ► the new version of mac os drops support for some intel max ding ding it's more than that though
00:31:05 ◼ ► right like there's actually some interesting news here there is so they have announced that tahoe will
00:31:11 ◼ ► be the last release for intel max so good on apple giving people a heads up those systems will receive
00:31:28 ◼ ► to support rosetta so if you still have intel apps running on your apple silicon mac they're using
00:31:33 ◼ ► rosetta 2 uh that will go away in three years and so that is also a deadline for developers and users to
00:31:41 ◼ ► get ready for that um so yeah i really really like this uh this forward communication i think it's really
00:31:49 ◼ ► good let me get my head around that um because i feel like i saw that news and it didn't really feel
00:31:56 ◼ ► like something i cared about and now i actually realized it's something i should care about
00:31:59 ◼ ► so me on my apple silicon max if i'm using any apps that are in emulation like into apps and emulation
00:32:07 ◼ ► they will stop working in three years yeah they'll stop working in mac os 28 so they will be supported
00:32:13 ◼ ► in 26 and 27 i saw that news and was like this doesn't this doesn't matter to me at all yeah no
00:32:19 ◼ ► that's not the case it actually does it does matter to me and i was looking through activity monitor
00:32:24 ◼ ► earlier just like uh in my normal workload and i have about eight intel things running um a couple
00:32:34 ◼ ► of them i don't i don't really need running most of the time but some of them i do and so hopefully
00:32:39 ◼ ► that gets resolved my problem here is the drivers for my wacom tablet are all intel now maybe they have
00:32:47 ◼ ► newer drivers and i've just never installed them um or maybe you know or maybe i'll have to get a new
00:32:53 ◼ ► uh tablet but i'm sure that they will be working on that at wacom if they haven't already right like
00:32:59 ◼ ► i just never why would i bother to update the drivers like i don't think about it it just works
00:33:04 ◼ ► um but i'm sure that they will because wacom is very popular on the mac right and that that's going
00:33:12 ◼ ► to become a problem for them in a few years time so that's a problem for future mike to deal with
00:33:16 ◼ ► yeah so the end of round one we're all tied up you love to see it love to see it uh mike start us out on
00:33:25 ◼ ► round two so my round two pick i actually thought was a little bit a little bit of spice when i picked
00:33:31 ◼ ► it uh which was new features are announced that are powered by apple intelligence because i wondered
00:33:37 ◼ ► if that would even be the case right like that they might just pretend it never existed um but no they
00:33:42 ◼ ► started out by giving a little apology hey we're so sorry we love you we're so sorry um and then
00:33:47 ◼ ► there were a bunch of features throughout that had some apple intelligence flavor that one that jumps to
00:33:52 ◼ ► mind is workout buddy right that i think that's what it's called the the little fitness friend
00:33:55 ◼ ► who's in your ears they should call it fitness friend no and i and i asked this was my recurring
00:34:01 ◼ ► joke in any briefing where workout buddy was mentioned i was actually checking with multiple
00:34:05 ◼ ► people from apple because the body has multiple voices right um as like two voices i believe i i kept
00:34:12 ◼ ► asking is the name always buddy like that the does the body have proper names and they said no it's always
00:34:20 ◼ ► name it's the name is buddy and and so yes that i can tell you i think it should be fitness friend
00:34:25 ◼ ► um but yeah there are a bunch of apple intelligence stuff some are like tweaks existing features um
00:34:31 ◼ ► and some there's some new stuff too so yeah i get this point yep federico i just wanted to say that
00:34:40 ◼ ► this is potentially my hot take for the day i preferred the apple intelligence announcements this
00:34:46 ◼ ► year compared to last year oh definitely yeah because last year's were a rush right yeah like yeah
00:34:54 ◼ ► what can we announce and do ah quick let's get it out there and this is like oh if you actually spend
00:34:59 ◼ ► time thinking about it how can we make things that are apple like and important for us rather than like
00:35:04 ◼ ► how do we look like we're just meeting whatever is the state of the art which we can't do and
00:35:09 ◼ ► especially for things that i will discuss later in in the in the ricky round uh there's something about
00:35:16 ◼ ► what they did that has me really really you know thinking thinking about stuff live translation is one
00:35:27 ◼ ► be so limited anymore yeah they should have more languages now if they're llm powered like there is
00:35:35 ◼ ► zero reason why i should not be able to use this in romanian except for the fact that they haven't
00:35:40 ◼ ► enabled it but if these are power if this is powered by an an intelligence model it shouldn't be
00:35:45 ◼ ► complicated to use more languages yeah the problem is that they don't have a giant model yet because even
00:35:51 ◼ ► their biggest model the server one is is only 17 billion parameters but you have to download it
00:35:57 ◼ ► anyway right so why could i not download like a separate model they don't have it trained they
00:36:02 ◼ ► don't have it in training that's the problem but they should though they should well yes yes that's a
00:36:08 ◼ ► different conversation they should they should yes they should yeah they should have crawled more
00:36:13 ◼ ► romanian blogs you know they should have too soon did you see have you guys read in the machine
00:36:19 ◼ ► learning blog that they have that they this year they specifically wrote we continue to follow
00:36:25 ◼ ► ethical practices for ethical web scraping what is that what's ethical web scraping respect respecting
00:36:34 ◼ ► the robots.txt uh instruction on website and who decided that was ethical web scraping who was it that
00:36:41 ◼ ► made that distinction i don't i'm not sure yeah i'm not sure well hey i'm just a messenger here i'm just
00:36:47 ◼ ► also i don't think you can call something ethical and scraping i don't think that like well it's like
00:36:53 ◼ ► a liquid glass right you shouldn't touch it they they like those contrasts this year yeah which is
00:37:00 ◼ ► weird because it doesn't have a lot of contrast and never mind oh okay wow okay this is a good one
00:37:09 ◼ ► okay okay okay round two round two i said the updated vision os gets an eye scrolling feature
00:37:17 ◼ ► uh ding this was easy to miss because it was mentioned very briefly in the state of the union uh
00:37:25 ◼ ► and uh it looks like um the ui element there's like a there's like a little square in the corner and
00:37:39 ◼ ► i think that's what it i think that's what it is i believe i because i was taking notes and then i
00:37:44 ◼ ► looked up and i caught it for like two seconds and then somebody slide but that's it like that's all
00:37:50 ◼ ► i've seen i like that it's a thing that exists but i i don't know more about it yet yeah i i believe the
00:37:55 ◼ ► way that they did it is like there's a small like almost like virtual touchpad and you look at it
00:38:01 ◼ ► to scroll the foreground window i think that's what it does uh so uh yeah that's a that's a i i was
00:38:10 ◼ ► concerned that i wouldn't be getting this point because it was not mentioned in the keynote but it was in
00:38:15 ◼ ► the state of the union so yeah nice and then we've talked about my round two pick already but ipad os gets
00:38:22 ◼ ► updated window management tools ding big ding yes what we talked about this on on mpu yesterday but
00:38:30 ◼ ► what was the deal with craig's sort of attitude talking about this it was like oh you'll never
00:38:36 ◼ ► guess another window management like was this was that weird like okay so i felt this too it was one
00:38:43 ◼ ► of these things where like i know what you're going for but it's not landing with me like i know that
00:38:48 ◼ ► you're trying to like be self-deprecating here i think but what it sounds like is you're making fun of
00:38:54 ◼ ► me and like i don't think that you're attempting to do that like when i say me i mean like us right
00:39:05 ◼ ► like it's the people talking about the window management right it's like that's what that's what
00:39:11 ◼ ► it felt like he was making fun of where i actually felt like it was it was intended to be like more like
00:39:16 ◼ ► hey we're doing this again hey uh because it it obviously was not like it was not successful last
00:39:24 ◼ ► time but it felt more like uh yeah because it was like like what they're trying to get across is like
00:39:31 ◼ ► yes we're back a few years later and we're trying to tell you that it is like we've reinvented you know
00:39:39 ◼ ► i think that like being a bit tongue-in-cheek of like that thing that we will say about them which is
00:39:45 ◼ ► oh we are we're we've rethought the way that you know that's like the way that people talk about
00:39:52 ◼ ► apple right that like when apple comes up with something it's like they've invented it for the
00:39:56 ◼ ► first time so i think like he was trying to like get that kind of joke across but it felt more like he
00:40:02 ◼ ► was like oh they won't stop complaining and then here we are yeah i think that i think they were
00:40:09 ◼ ► there was also maybe something to the to the idea maybe there was a better way to to to convey that
00:40:15 ◼ ► idea of like that sometimes there's still value in an old idea and yeah there's no need to always
00:40:24 ◼ ► reinvent the wheel for the sake of just doing it and and i mean they're the ones who came up with many
00:40:30 ◼ ► of these windowing metaphors and and interactions decades ago and so there's why not just keep using
00:40:37 ◼ ► them if they're still good enough and maybe there was a better way to to say that i don't know so i i
00:40:42 ◼ ► think a lot of the issue with stage manager can actually be summed up really well by what they
00:40:48 ◼ ► covered in exhaustive detail in the keynote i think apple is nervous about upsetting the vast majority of
00:40:59 ◼ ► oh yes oh yes that is a common theme in yes but it makes sense like i would expect maybe 10 percent of
00:41:08 ◼ ► ipad users maybe less would ever want to use more than one window at once right sure yeah like most
00:41:13 ◼ ► people are and i am one of those people have been one of those people i use like one app at a time on
00:41:20 ◼ ► my ipad now because i've just not been happy with the way that it's worked i could see myself being a
00:41:25 ◼ ► little bit different now because i do like the way that this works but i think the vast majority of
00:41:29 ◼ ► ipad users they don't want to step on their toes and i think that's why they're like well if we do if
00:41:35 ◼ ► we're trying to convince them to have multiple windows we can't hide the windows behind each other because
00:41:40 ◼ ► they're not used to that on the ipad like i think that is where a lot of this comes from
00:41:44 ◼ ► and i think they've finally gotten to the point where they're like all right we can't get it to work
00:41:50 ◼ ► in a way that makes anyone happy so let's just try and make the pro users happy and we'll do it in a way
00:41:56 ◼ ► where it's really easy to get out of this if you get into it accidentally even to the point where you can
00:42:03 ◼ ► only enable this either in the setup process or in settings it's not in control center anymore like and you
00:42:10 ◼ ► have to go in and it tells you what you're going to do and it's very clear about it and even when you have
00:42:15 ◼ ► enabled it most of the time you tap on an app and it will open a full screen until you make a choice
00:42:20 ◼ ► of making it smaller again so i think that's where a lot of this comes from with them but i don't know
00:42:26 ◼ ► yeah yeah so the end of round two we are tied all with two points you'll have to see it bonus round
00:42:35 ◼ ► we got it we got it we got it wrong um i said at least one vision os app in compatibility mode
00:42:44 ◼ ► becomes a native one uh no we we checked um there's no there's no new native apps that were
00:42:52 ◼ ► previously in compatibility mode there's the widgets app but that that's not an old one that's a brand
00:42:58 ◼ ► new one what's interesting about the the widget thing i'm somewhat of a widget expert now i don't
00:43:02 ◼ ► know if y'all know this uh compatibility apps can donate widgets to like the new widget system
00:43:09 ◼ ► and so you see like in a bunch of their screenshots like the the calendar widget well calendar you know
00:43:15 ◼ ► i think is still an ipad it's an ipad compatibility app um but third parties can just throw their ipad
00:43:22 ◼ ► app on division os and get all the new widget stuff so it is and it's interesting it already works
00:43:28 ◼ ► like compatibility apps that haven't updated for vision pro the widgets are just in there like i i
00:43:36 ◼ ► opened i i updated my vision pro today and i opened the widgets app and the timery one was there like
00:43:43 ◼ ► it was just there um and it works and the widgets are so cool and even in general this is a thing that uh
00:43:55 ◼ ► you can do that with apps now too i don't know if that came across in the in the in the keynote so
00:44:01 ◼ ► you can if you drag an app like and you put it near a wall it will flatten to the wall and you can stick it
00:44:07 ◼ ► there and there's like a another control to like lock it and unlock it um it's pretty cool yeah
00:44:13 ◼ ► uh my bonus round pick the google gemini logo is shown on screen as part of a partnership announcement
00:44:21 ◼ ► uh no not only wasn't shown apple didn't announce any additional partnerships they've expanded the chat
00:44:30 ◼ ► gbt and open ai integration but no anthropic no google nothing the only other thing you can do
00:44:39 ◼ ► is in swift assist you can load any model you want yes into that is the thing that they're they're
00:44:45 ◼ ► saying uh this was quite a surprise i think that that they didn't announce any other partnership
00:44:51 ◼ ► especially the google one uh which both apple and google have said they want to do but they're
00:44:56 ◼ ► basically flirting uh yeah in court they're both doing it in court as well which is great uh look at
00:45:04 ◼ ► you two really using the bonus round to full effect wow yeah i said i still think i still think the
00:45:10 ◼ ► gemini stuff is coming this summer i could see i could see it as a sort of thing that come that
00:45:14 ◼ ► comes in july or like in a beta 4 beta 5 you know and i i still think they're gonna do it there is a
00:45:21 ◼ ► scenario where apple just doesn't want to give them the juice right um and like putting them in the
00:45:26 ◼ ► that they just like show up somewhere else yeah yeah yeah or they went hat in hand to open ai and
00:45:34 ◼ ► were like please help us fix image playgrounds and they said sure but you can't bring gemini in but
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00:47:41 ◼ ► risky pick round my pick was apple has a new app for gamers for gamers rise up uh it's called apple games
00:47:53 ◼ ► ding it creates new specific developer terms for games and it features a partnership with microsoft
00:48:00 ◼ ► for xbox game pass uh i thought this would actually be something of consequence um apple games
00:48:08 ◼ ► i don't even know what it is if i'm being honest i don't know why it exists uh i don't know why an app
00:48:16 ◼ ► that has apple arcade in it and is a launcher for your games is like a thing that makes sense like i
00:48:26 ◼ ► like sure it's got your leaderboards in it i just don't think this is compelling i'm not really sure
00:48:30 ◼ ► why they did this if i'm being completely honest it feels like there should be another component to
00:48:35 ◼ ► this that doesn't exist to me i don't get it like i don't i don't really get what's going on here that
00:48:43 ◼ ► like the expectation is i open the apple games app and see that my friend beat me in a score in a game
00:48:50 ◼ ► that i wasn't planning to play right now like i don't i'm not i'm not really sure that i understand
00:49:01 ◼ ► hmm um well me neither i have no idea what what we're looking at it's it's like what fancy game
00:49:09 ◼ ► center it what it is what it reminds me of federico is the backbone app right yes we talked about this
00:49:16 ◼ ► right yeah we said that makes sense because you connect your controller and then it opens the
00:49:20 ◼ ► backbone app like yeah that makes sense like and i know they said you can control this app with a
00:49:25 ◼ ► controller but like that's not but i still have to open the app first like i have to i have to go and
00:49:31 ◼ ► open an app why don't i just open the app for the game i want to play you know like it feels like
00:49:37 ◼ ► there is something a little bit lost in this uh to me but maybe i'm just not an iphone gamer uh enough
00:49:47 ◼ ► you're not one of the half billion people yeah someone wrote in and they were like yeah fine i don't have
00:49:53 ◼ ► to have games on my home screen it's like you don't have to have games on your home screen now they're in
00:49:56 ◼ ► the app library and yeah like they're already there and you know what like apple games will be in the
00:50:03 ◼ ► games folder in app library so you have to go there and you have to open the folder then choose apple
00:50:10 ◼ ► games then choose the game that you want right you do game you do games games then you launch your game
00:50:20 ◼ ► like it would make sense to me if uh you connect a bluetooth controller and then it automatically opens
00:50:28 ◼ ► well well well mike you could put together an automation you know what i can i can fix these
00:50:35 ◼ ► things myself you know so after your risky pick you have zero points because you got one condition
00:50:43 ◼ ► correct yeah and i'll take it yeah so it's plus zero points you you're still at two you're still
00:50:48 ◼ ► minus zero points or that you know what that's true that is that is how the number zero works
00:50:58 ◼ ► okay so i said apple opens up afm apple foundation model to developers condition number one it's a
00:51:06 ◼ ► three billion parameter version only that runs on device and ding ding it's there's a i had to read
00:51:15 ◼ ► some stuff i did not understand uh to to check this for you and yeah that's on apple the apple published
00:51:21 ◼ ► something in the machine learning research page and they said it is an approximately three billion
00:51:26 ◼ ► parameter model yes uh good job on the number that's that's the most impressive part of the sub pic is that
00:51:36 ◼ ► well i i i do a no no uh that doesn't work well it seems steven for pics um i did i do a lot of research
00:51:51 ◼ ► about this stuff i do a lot of reading and and and i am i got really into uh local um models that can run
00:52:00 ◼ ► on phones and i know that the three to four billion um parameter size is the ideal one for an iphone these
00:52:09 ◼ ► days uh there's a quen model that is three billion um there's uh the the i and i picked three billion because
00:52:16 ◼ ► like um google has a four billion one gemma 4b uh but it's based on a brand new really advanced
00:52:24 ◼ ► architecture and i figured apple is not gonna have that um so i'm gonna go with a small one three
00:52:30 ◼ ► billion in line with their previous one um not bigger not smaller just a retrained version of that
00:52:38 ◼ ► um so um number two this is what i got wrong um it's designed in a way that only specific endpoints
00:52:46 ◼ ► can be used with a native api like summarization or writing or prioritizing content no you can actually
00:52:53 ◼ ► prompt the thing if you're a developer you can just uh prompt whatever you want uh uh again i thought
00:53:01 ◼ ► they were gonna follow um a system where you only access specific features of the model but no they
00:53:09 ◼ ► just uh straight up showed how you can prompt in plain text um apple intelligence on device uh to get
00:53:16 ◼ ► to get a response back this is the thing that i am most interested in seeing developer reactions over
00:53:25 ◼ ► the next few weeks because this feels to me like a really big deal right that developers will be able
00:53:36 ◼ ► to have what is essentially they could do whatever they want in the model that it it feels like a big
00:53:44 ◼ ► deal like that developers will be able to implement lots of really interesting things in their applications
00:53:52 ◼ ► because they have this power right am i am i too excited about this like what do you does are you
00:53:59 ◼ ► interested are you excited about this federico do you think this is good i am very excited uh in the sense
00:54:05 ◼ ► that um i it may not look like it but i really do think that apple has been doing good work with
00:54:13 ◼ ► their with their research lately there's a there's a bit of controversy um in the in the ai space apple
00:54:20 ◼ ► published a paper right before wwdc basically saying that reasoning models are uh bs in the sense that
00:54:29 ◼ ► um the model is not really thinking they think is just uh basically running in circles around the
00:54:36 ◼ ► problem i'm simplifying uh and that was like some people in the ai scene are like really upset that
00:54:43 ◼ ► apple published that paper but that i think apple is doing interesting research and i think uh letting
00:54:50 ◼ ► developers have a private on the uh this is why by the way i i um in case we're gonna get the comments
00:54:58 ◼ ► from people um apple opened up two models but the one for developers is uh the only the on-device stuff
00:55:11 ◼ ► developers cannot prompt the private cloud compute you only have access to the apple foundation models
00:55:18 ◼ ► framework which is the small version on device and i think i think just part of me was concerned like
00:55:25 ◼ ► and it's still concerned like what happens when you prompt and you get some data that is not what you
00:55:32 ◼ ► expect at the same time it seems to me having played around with this stuff now this week that
00:55:38 ◼ ► whatever safeguards and system prompts and instructions apple put in place they seem to be
00:55:46 ◼ ► really strong in in guiding the model toward not giving you random output in response yeah but if it
00:55:55 ◼ ► does they'll fix it like a thing that i learned that i didn't know is that apple has been updating
00:56:01 ◼ ► their models the entire time and they're doing it over the air so that was a thing that i'd never seen
00:56:07 ◼ ► before we had some good feedback on upgrade about that that like the the models are being updated about
00:56:13 ◼ ► operating system uh updates required that they're updating apple's models or even the on-device models
00:56:19 ◼ ► they're doing it over the air so if things start going awry they'll fix it and push out an update you
00:56:25 ◼ ► know i i feel confident in that and i think that that's the right way to do it yeah and the third
00:56:31 ◼ ► condition oh no i see something in the document i have a business idea for y'all oh great none of us
00:56:39 ◼ ► are too busy for something else i guess no no i need a new one give it look developers are going to have
00:56:44 ◼ ► to contend with this you know on-device prompting uh what if the three of us had a consulting thing to
00:56:53 ◼ ► help them with that right so developers come to us like hey we want to do this with the on-device model
00:56:58 ◼ ► we're not sure how to do it maybe we took their questions and we respond to them like on a podcast
00:57:03 ◼ ► and we called it what could we call it hmm i don't know maybe insertion and wow that's is that good
00:57:12 ◼ ► let's see relay.fm slash prompt uh some guys some guys already used that name but we could bring it
00:57:20 ◼ ► back it's so funny why did we call it that and now like it's perfect it would be the perfect time right
00:57:29 ◼ ► it would be the perfect time we should do a spin-off it would be the perfect ai podcast just call it the
00:57:33 ◼ ► prompt yeah i'm actually quite happy that we did take it right it is ours already no one can no one can
00:57:40 ◼ ► take it away from us we've told this story before but in coming up with the name for this one of the
00:57:45 ◼ ► suggestions was six colors uh which is very funny was it there's a screenshot somewhere in my photo
00:57:52 ◼ ► library of us talking i think it grew me about it uh no facebook messenger facebook facebook messenger
00:58:04 ◼ ► so you're welcome jason yes you're welcome uh all right uh put put the final nail in our coffin
00:58:11 ◼ ► what's your third pick the third condition was apple shows off examples of how they're using the same
00:58:29 ◼ ► having a brand new action which is no joke be after ipad os this is the thing i'm most excited
00:58:38 ◼ ► about from this week the use model action which i can't believe this exists yes me me neither so
00:58:45 ◼ ► um the use model action lets you prompt the on-device model so the apple foundation model framework it lets
00:58:55 ◼ ► you prompt private cloud compute and it lets you prompt chat gpt but it's not just that well first of all
00:59:04 ◼ ► obviously big surprise you're letting users prompt either of your models so the on-device one and the
00:59:12 ◼ ► private cloud compute one but the most fascinating thing so i mean obviously so that's that's a point
00:59:17 ◼ ► right because it's showing off the foundation models framework in a system app the real fascinating part
00:59:24 ◼ ► here which i'm dying to know more and i hope that i get to talk to somebody or interview somebody about
00:59:31 ◼ ► this because i need to understand what they have done the use model action understands shortcuts variables
00:59:48 ◼ ► types of variables in shortcuts yep so you can and and this works this kind of stuff this variable
01:00:03 ◼ ► so you can use it with the small on-device one if you're running into context window limits it also
01:00:12 ◼ ► works with chat gpt which is double the context window of do you get to choose what chat gpt model
01:00:18 ◼ ► you query or not yet which is it's going to be one of my feedback items like at this point let me choose
01:00:25 ◼ ► if i if i if i have an account you should you should surface the models that i have access to you know i
01:00:30 ◼ ► should be able but this is also this action is the reason why i think a lot of shortcuts users who want
01:00:38 ◼ ► to use ai features in their sort of hybrid automation setups will start using this action instead of
01:00:47 ◼ ► third party actions because this model can understand variables can understand things like multiple notes
01:00:56 ◼ ► that you're getting using shortcuts from the apple notes app and it can give you those notes back
01:01:03 ◼ ► as a result as a native variable in shortcuts um it can give you dictionaries it can give you lists it can
01:01:10 ◼ ► give you boolean values i have to understand what apple has done here to to basically have this action
01:01:18 ◼ ► this is like the perfect example of of the thing that i've been calling hybrid automation and this is apple
01:01:23 ◼ ► getting into this sort of new space in a big way saying you can prompt but you're getting native
01:01:31 ◼ ► shortcuts variables in return if you want to see this for yourself uh there are examples there are new
01:01:40 ◼ ► examples in the kind of gallery um shortcuts have you seen this federico yes yes and hilariously
01:01:46 ◼ ► they have made a morning routine one which is just like of course every shortcut ever yeah but it you can
01:01:53 ◼ ► see what they're doing and they're querying like what's on your reminders what's on your calendar but then you
01:01:57 ◼ ► see what goes into the model and what goes into the model is a bunch of magic variables right the same
01:02:02 ◼ ► as what you're doing in shortcuts so like yeah it's i don't i agree with you like i don't know what
01:02:08 ◼ ► it's doing right because it's like it's collecting that information from somewhere and sending it
01:02:12 ◼ ► somewhere it's it's really weird but but they're also coming back the thing is those variables are also
01:02:17 ◼ ► coming back and i i just want to understand from a technical perspective how they're encoding all this
01:02:23 ◼ ► like are they sending json or plain tag like what are they doing to send yeah are they sending custom
01:02:28 ◼ ► xml from shortcuts uh shortcuts under the hood is all basically fancy xml uh if you've ever taken a
01:02:34 ◼ ► look at how shortcuts are made behind the scenes it's it's a plist file with a bunch of xml inside
01:02:40 ◼ ► are they sending the xml does does the model understand app intents like and is it doing something with
01:02:46 ◼ ► those like it's all it's i think it's fascinating uh and i tried tinkering of one and it broke badly
01:02:52 ◼ ► but you know this time this time uh we get you know but it's it's really it is a very interesting
01:02:59 ◼ ► and i love that you have the ability to do it all on device if you want to which i just yeah like there
01:03:04 ◼ ► was um there was a really great example on the newsroom uh of a developer using this day one
01:03:11 ◼ ► where they said we could never send our customers information to a model yeah but we can use the
01:03:19 ◼ ► on-device models to create journal prompts based on things you've written yeah like that is so smart
01:03:26 ◼ ► because they can't send your stuff off device right they can't because it's your private journal but
01:03:31 ◼ ► if they're able to use the on-device models then they're able actually yeah i think it's really cool
01:03:37 ◼ ► i think this is very cool and i'm excited to see what people do with it on uh on episode 801
01:03:41 ◼ ► of mpu uh we talked a good bit about what you can do with that um and also also like the local stuff
01:03:49 ◼ ► private cloud compute david had done a bunch of experiments already so there's a chapter i just
01:03:54 ◼ ► started the episode this morning i haven't gotten that far i actually want to give you uh some follow
01:03:59 ◼ ► out if you don't mind um sure episode real quick so you were talking about um the safari design
01:04:06 ◼ ► right so the fact that multiple years ago we had a bottom bar in safari and it was super minimal and
01:04:12 ◼ ► it was a terrible idea and now it's back again right yeah and you were saying that like the time that
01:04:19 ◼ ► apple had to go away and think about it of liquid glass has meant that we're more willing to accept it
01:04:24 ◼ ► now i agree with what you're saying but my the thing i wanted to add is in the meantime they have
01:04:30 ◼ ► slowly moved us towards it the problem with ios 15 is we went from safari having two toolbars to one
01:04:37 ◼ ► toolbar yeah and it was too much but then over time we've gotten to the bottom single toolbar thing
01:04:45 ◼ ► and now they've just made it more and more small right and like so i just think that like over time
01:04:50 ◼ ► they've conditioned us to accept the change rather than trying to do it all in one which was the
01:04:56 ◼ ► problem with uh with the 15 yeah and there's there's settings in ios to uh control how how it works
01:05:04 ◼ ► looks you can bring the old one back basically yep so um steven yep well you picked up a point
01:05:12 ◼ ► so congratulations thank you the system works i'm uh apple announces an updated mac pro all three
01:05:21 ◼ ► conditions wrong minus one point is there any point like there's no point there's no point no
01:05:28 ◼ ► that's pretty bad uh so at the end of the risky picks mike the defending champion has two
01:05:36 ◼ ► i remain the loser with one federico has consolidated power yes three points we have a ricky benjamin
01:05:47 ◼ ► we have a benjamin congratulations benjamin everyone that hates the intros it just got simpler for a
01:06:00 ◼ ► thank you thank you thank you i am and for people saying what does that mean well two chairs is a bench
01:06:05 ◼ ► so that's why he is the benjamin yes yes that's sure that's right congratulations thank you thank
01:06:11 ◼ ► you all thank you all thank you all thank you all thank you to the academy yes i'll look forward to
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01:08:09 ◼ ► the flexis is a game held after each edition of the rickies it consists of a series of additional picks
01:08:18 ◼ ► in relation to the upcoming apple event or year scoring is completed separately from the main game but like
01:08:24 ◼ ► the rickies the order of picks is set by the results of the previous game and ties will be broken by dice
01:08:35 ◼ ► host must make a minimum of five flexi picks each correct pick is awarded with one point
01:08:53 ◼ ► the winner is determined by comparing the percentage of correct flexis made by each host
01:09:12 ◼ ► mike has chosen duke of flexington and uses the name archduke flexington when applicable
01:09:23 ◼ ► loser of the flexis must compensate the winner of the flexis by donating to a charity of the winner's choice
01:10:05 ◼ ► at least one new os is referred to by its old marketing name and developer documentation
01:10:28 ◼ ► and someone sent me in and my mentions are ruined right now so i tried to find it this morning i can't find it again
01:10:59 ◼ ► it's so slow right now like the query in chat gpt is so slow but maybe that's just where they are right now