The Accidental Tech Podcast

100: MacBook Shuffle


00:00:00   hundred episodes gentleman I'm proud of us remembered we should have planned [TS]

00:00:04   something better but oh well thats but that that's the US thing to do [TS]

00:00:10   totally as and that's exactly what we did is we r us but sometimes I do think [TS]

00:00:16   that we can be better than us but now actually bad should be the pre-show hit [TS]

00:00:23   the hay [TS]

00:00:23   very subtle gradations exactly what you're gonna shout shout we're going to [TS]

00:00:30   show where live hi everybody we're very excited is that because this episode 100 [TS]

00:00:37   am I got it I forgot about that now I'm excited about a week ago that we were [TS]

00:00:42   coming up on you but I didn't remember tonight well so this shows for just [TS]

00:00:46   today but to do that I remember important dates are not our own birthday [TS]

00:00:51   OKC remember just being you john we knew we forgot I guess so hypocritical made [TS]

00:00:57   it to a hundred to a hundred asterisk what did build analyzed at 2108 like [TS]

00:01:02   Lost ok so if we make it to 101 then we have unequivocally done better than [TS]

00:01:12   hypercritical is it fair to say it's not I works well [TS]

00:01:16   credit should have thought that was a poor choice of words on my part thank [TS]

00:01:22   you for keeping me honest we have perhaps completed more can I get that [TS]

00:01:26   from you john yes that's what it means when one number is bigger than you know [TS]

00:01:30   I mean we tentatively have already completed more episodes because there is [TS]

00:01:35   that one that was just like the promo that was for the movie thing and there [TS]

00:01:39   was the one that mean Merlin did when john couldn't do it because it really [TS]

00:01:42   really critical 30 episode of its got a number it's got a title is in the RSS [TS]

00:01:46   feed that these reels real can be well we didn't have you on it matter it's [TS]

00:01:52   critical had a number and title and a page that shows that everything that it [TS]

00:01:58   has i didnt that was a mean I have listened back but at the time I was [TS]

00:02:02   actually very happy with how it turned out it didn't have a critical at all but [TS]

00:02:06   I was very happy with it I I wish more like a tech show and maybe maybe maybe [TS]

00:02:11   it's better for everyone including him that that he doesn't that he instead [TS]

00:02:16   just like makes parts of it shows tech when he has something funny to say about [TS]

00:02:20   it but I like he is so good with the tax stuff so incredibly good and and [TS]

00:02:26   provides a voice for it and and opinions for it that we really don't hear from [TS]

00:02:30   other people and and I always feel like we're missing that you know if by good [TS]

00:02:35   you mean makes me want to yell into the podcast [TS]

00:02:40   the best is when they do it on rider gonna live here [TS]

00:02:43   the two of them together talking takes maybe on throttle them both I would love [TS]

00:02:48   it i think is best at what they did like three or four episodes ago where the [TS]

00:02:51   whole first half was about tech was amazing [TS]

00:02:55   alright so the show bodies semi broken just like old times just like old times [TS]

00:03:01   is a clip show 100th episode spectacular would you like to wager guessed what [TS]

00:03:13   happened did you not properly non retain the closure to set time out so the [TS]

00:03:19   memory [TS]

00:03:21   now that's good but now and I should say that I have not knowingly changed any of [TS]

00:03:28   the code with relation to the show but specifically are you now gonna rewrite [TS]

00:03:32   and go no but it is slightly tempting honestly probably should go site will [TS]

00:03:40   pay him money on negative that have been free that's quite possible now that is [TS]

00:03:49   not the case so here it was I was thinking about making this big grandiose [TS]

00:03:55   speech about how it really isn't so terrible relying on third-party code [TS]

00:03:59   because it allows you to do things that are kinda cool more specifically earlier [TS]

00:04:06   today I decided that I was really tired of not being able to use markdown [TS]

00:04:10   footnotes in my and my site has all the cool kids use markdown footnotes I wanna [TS]

00:04:16   be a cool kid is there a particular module or whatever that I was using was [TS]

00:04:21   called marks and it's it's a 10 p.m. marginal or package I get things were [TS]

00:04:26   looking for anyway and so I swapped Mart for markdown it which is a different [TS]

00:04:35   package that also parses marked down and was all excited with myself because now [TS]

00:04:39   I had marked down footnotes problem then that I ran into then was now on my main [TS]

00:04:47   page which is the only page that I can think of that has more than one complete [TS]

00:04:52   post on a single page what happens when I have two posts that both half [TS]

00:04:58   footnotes because they're both generated in isolation and so they'll reuse the [TS]

00:05:03   same anchors in so then I had to go through a humongous song and dance which [TS]

00:05:08   ended up being simple at the very end but I tried like thirty four different [TS]

00:05:12   iterations to get to the simple answer what to do and how do you make unique [TS]

00:05:18   each of these markdown footnote anchors I got that accomplished [TS]

00:05:22   well what I didn't think to do was check the Showbox specifically the page that's [TS]

00:05:29   hosted on my regular site that that handles the show and see what the [TS]

00:05:37   ramifications of this marked down parsers which would be and it appears [TS]

00:05:42   for those of you who are not listening live if this actually makes it in the [TS]

00:05:45   show it appears that somehow it is a meeting [TS]

00:05:50   escapehtml only for the links section of the show but page so I'm seeing all the [TS]

00:05:59   titles just fine but the links are just the HTML header for the table and [TS]

00:06:05   nothing else so hoops sorry everyone could talk that was a hundred [TS]

00:06:10   spectacular hope everyone is happy [TS]

00:06:13   yeah I guess the show's over now because we can't go past 200 something like that [TS]

00:06:16   we are joking this show is still going on we've sold ads past two hundred so we [TS]

00:06:22   in fact well past two hundred so we have to keep doing it right so let's do you [TS]

00:06:28   follow up and I'd like to start with some very quick anecdotal thoughts about [TS]

00:06:35   using USB ports so we talked last episode 148 never gonna watch paint dry [TS]

00:06:43   come on so last episode we talked about how on the potential I Pad Pro / MacBook [TS]

00:06:53   Air that there's theoretically only going to be one USB ports USB Type [TS]

00:06:59   seaport and whether or not that's a big deal and and particularly John and I are [TS]

00:07:04   going back and forth as to whether or not that's a big deal and so I thought [TS]

00:07:06   to myself well let me ask my family because their normal computer users and [TS]

00:07:11   see ok does anyone actually use USB ports as one of the things i was i was [TS]

00:07:15   thinkin during the show [TS]

00:07:17   hopefully explained during the show was hey we have a lot of technologies now [TS]

00:07:21   like airdrop for example that may obviate I think that's what I'm looking [TS]

00:07:25   forward to use [TS]

00:07:26   USB keys and there's a bunch of other examples bluetooth for mice and [TS]

00:07:31   keyboards so I asked my family what do you use USB ports for and Aaron and my [TS]

00:07:38   mom both said well i charge my Fitbit that way [TS]

00:07:41   well you know that's something you could find other means for doing that but [TS]

00:07:44   that's reasonable answer and Aaron Wilson iPod shuffle and so she said well [TS]

00:07:48   I also you know things on my iPod shuffle that way obviously that's not a [TS]

00:07:52   big deal for a phone but for an iPod shuffle you really ought to look [TS]

00:07:55   otherwise my immediate younger brother and two younger brothers my media [TS]

00:07:59   younger brother who is a real adults and works in the video game industry [TS]

00:08:04   actually said that he typically uses his USB ports for keyboard mouse iPhone and [TS]

00:08:10   USB key often times but not always simultaneously and my youngest brother [TS]

00:08:14   who is studying California he's doing a Masters he said and i'm quoting I don't [TS]

00:08:22   have enough and I have three he was saying that he hears it is for a mouse [TS]

00:08:27   of his phone and often times more than one USB key and additionally at least [TS]

00:08:34   one external hard drive so it appears that my theory that really you don't [TS]

00:08:40   need USB ports maybe not so well I think that you know I think you're seeing I [TS]

00:08:46   bet there's like a big bifurcation of the market here where if I had to guess [TS]

00:08:51   I would guess that what you have here is a pretty good representative sample [TS]

00:08:55   actually just by luck i mean i i dont think your family is like the most [TS]

00:08:59   average family ever made but you know I think I think like if I had to guess how [TS]

00:09:04   was I would guess that's how it is which is that most people use very few of them [TS]

00:09:08   and the primary reason the youth mister charge things that charge over USB phone [TS]

00:09:14   right it's some camera stuff like that charging things over USB [TS]

00:09:18   i think is is a big thing especially in recent years when so many devices have [TS]

00:09:23   have become chargeable over USB and for that you know you don't necessarily need [TS]

00:09:29   to be using a port on your computer for that although it is convenient computers [TS]

00:09:34   right there in your desk and has these ports and you don't have to take more [TS]

00:09:36   outlets so and you don't have to bring so many doctors on trips [TS]

00:09:40   it is definitely convenient although it isn't strictly necessary and then you [TS]

00:09:44   have the people like Brady your your brother where you know three ports is [TS]

00:09:48   not enough because he has a lot to devices this this will apply to a lot of [TS]

00:09:51   people who have a bunch of peripherals with a bunch of discs who have a big [TS]

00:09:56   desk set up with like an actual keyboard mouse desk maybe other stuff like you [TS]

00:10:00   know if you have a big setup where you're parking lot by the time you're [TS]

00:10:03   gonna need more than that in which case no number of port on a laptop is going [TS]

00:10:07   to be enough and you're going to be using the hub now things that are [TS]

00:10:11   attacked by adapters or hubs are inherently less reliable than built-in [TS]

00:10:16   ports most of the time in my experience and as we move towards computers that [TS]

00:10:21   have fewer and fewer internal devices and ports I I think this is gonna keep [TS]

00:10:27   being a problem fortunately the need for me this is also going away as jazz [TS]

00:10:30   tradition happens but like you know you might I need an Ethernet port anymore [TS]

00:10:35   because you use wireless and especially on a laptop or if that's the case [TS]

00:10:39   whereas Lake you know on a desktop you need some of these things now what I [TS]

00:10:45   don't want but I'm not looking forward to is a world in which you have this one [TS]

00:10:50   port on the computer and then you just have to plug in some random hug from [TS]

00:10:54   Amazon from god knows what manufacturer with god knows what who's chip inside of [TS]

00:10:58   it [TS]

00:10:59   that will that has some weird cheapo power supply that's gonna flake out and [TS]

00:11:03   get out and get all weird weird hard to diagnose errors for the things that are [TS]

00:11:08   plugged into it or intermittent failures are put into it like i dont wanna get to [TS]

00:11:13   the point where I'm dependent on some cheap USB hub from Amazon and trying to [TS]

00:11:17   find the best one that actually will work because like I have that now and [TS]

00:11:21   there's a certain subset of devices that I will only plug in directly to the [TS]

00:11:25   computer ports because the hubs just are never that reliable and please don't [TS]

00:11:29   email me saying I bought this house but it's perfect if you look at every have a [TS]

00:11:33   look at all of them and and all of them have mostly reviews say this is perfect [TS]

00:11:38   and a bunch of useless played out on me and it's like it seems like they're all [TS]

00:11:42   basically the same I bet the number of [TS]

00:11:44   actual manufacturers of these things is probably pretty small number of chipsets [TS]

00:11:48   the use probably even smaller so like a just the kind of thing like being [TS]

00:11:53   dependent on like the random PC peripheral hardware market for your [TS]

00:11:58   stuff to work properly is not a good place to be [TS]

00:12:01   yeah yes I was going to do this thing where it's like oh one part and if you [TS]

00:12:05   need more you know he's have a whole breakup thing like at the very least you [TS]

00:12:09   would think that Apple at the Science to make a high quality one of these that [TS]

00:12:14   works because all the time too and in addition to like the things you just [TS]

00:12:21   mentioned something just just plain not working [TS]

00:12:24   something's being flaky the worse of course if you haven't drive attached to [TS]

00:12:27   a hub because the last thing you want to be flaky is your connection to a drive [TS]

00:12:30   backup drive and who knows what it's doing over there but then also like [TS]

00:12:36   sleep-wake issues where you don't go to sleep with the habitat won't wake with [TS]

00:12:41   the habitat for the hubble wake it up because something we'll take a literal [TS]

00:12:45   fire off a little thing and I'll make computer think you plug into USB device [TS]

00:12:48   when you haven't actually so many problems and and the only way applicants [TS]

00:12:53   or defend against them is that we sell I mean I am saying this because like that [TS]

00:12:57   the Thunderbolt Display at all the problems I had with the ports are [TS]

00:13:01   actively a big giant Apple made hub where you plug Thunderbolt cable into [TS]

00:13:05   your computer and the power thing is actually here to end at of it you get [TS]

00:13:09   Ethernet USB fire out all these parts and that was that the problematic part [TS]

00:13:13   of the display not display part but yeah that's it that's going to be there [TS]

00:13:18   solution they should make one and they should test that one and make sure it [TS]

00:13:21   works and makes your computer sleep-wake with it and I say that I'm thinking they [TS]

00:13:25   can make sure their computer sleeping awake with nothing attached to them [TS]

00:13:28   reliably some sleep problems there [TS]

00:13:31   evergreen when it comes to all laptops laptops I think there is any other than [TS]

00:13:36   that [TS]

00:13:37   area so yeah but aside from all the reliability concerns the convenience [TS]

00:13:43   angle which is like to be convenience and in the absence of some other reason [TS]

00:13:51   why not put another one on if you can fit so let's talk about reclassification [TS]

00:13:59   of context for the 12 in chair John discussion we had a lot of feedback [TS]

00:14:03   about it a lot of tweets and these aren't all tweets that were happening [TS]

00:14:06   while the people like to listen to show how we were discussing the 12 inch air [TS]

00:14:14   we weren't making any judgment about the validity of the rumors we didn't spend [TS]

00:14:18   any time I don't think we should spend time discussing like how likely is it [TS]

00:14:22   that these rumors are true that will make this a very just considering the [TS]

00:14:26   rumored device as if it was real and saying if Apple made this would be [TS]

00:14:31   something about the only thing we did about validity and I think it's that the [TS]

00:14:35   main thing you should do about any rumors is like is it technically [TS]

00:14:39   possible and we covered that were analyzed show and that's important [TS]

00:14:43   because it's the easiest way you can deal with the rumors like obviously you [TS]

00:14:49   don't know everything but if someone says that Apple is going to come out [TS]

00:14:52   with a Mac Pro the size of a penny it'll be ten times faster than the current [TS]

00:14:57   model is coming out this year you can dismiss it because you know it's not [TS]

00:15:01   technically feasible and it rains a rumor has a date or technology or both [TS]

00:15:06   you can you know I was going to drive all of its parts over the headphone jack [TS]

00:15:11   well we know that's not possible and you know barring some crazy things we've [TS]

00:15:15   never heard of it and it is greater than ever heard of it's probably bad because [TS]

00:15:19   it'll be proprietary an apple [TS]

00:15:23   everything else about it were making guesses about and then I'm getting a [TS]

00:15:26   couple of bits and angry feedback from people mostly to eat I'm glad I listened [TS]

00:15:31   back to the show I realize what they're all yelling at me about it wasn't [TS]

00:15:34   responding to their tweets didn't understand what they are angry about it [TS]

00:15:37   like worked up of that and it was his the part of the episode where [TS]

00:15:42   think margaret was like what if the rumors are 4 and iPad pro and 12 inch [TS]

00:15:50   MacBook Air and I said these are not two separate devices that was a reference to [TS]

00:15:54   the iPhone keno but I said I can practically like Steve Jobs says it in [TS]

00:15:58   the can help these are not three separate devices which is one of the [TS]

00:16:04   people who haven't memorized every second of that he said when the iPhone [TS]

00:16:13   was injured and watch the video and it will make more sense but it sounded like [TS]

00:16:17   if you just listen back to her sound like I was super busy not so I don't [TS]

00:16:21   know if it's just a stupid rumor making a joke even we got that and we don't get [TS]

00:16:25   anything going to make a reference that you're going to get it can be I don't [TS]

00:16:29   keynote culture so we didn't even talk about I bet we talked about the passing [TS]

00:16:37   for everybody because that story had renderings of markets of this rumored [TS]

00:16:41   product and as we talked about those renderings those markets those rumors [TS]

00:16:44   and the only reason I said that I would I was suspicious whether this was two [TS]

00:16:47   separate devices because like the rumors over the last few months have been all [TS]

00:16:51   pointing towards 212 e Reddan ultra-portable devices from Apple coming [TS]

00:16:58   at about the same time and I thought you know that the same size display the [TS]

00:17:03   saintly all this stuff all these rumors all this all this smoke around this fire [TS]

00:17:08   behind it it's like is this really gonna be two different devices that are the [TS]

00:17:12   exact same size of a radically different from each other like I I was skeptical [TS]

00:17:17   that I remain a little skeptical that except that I've heard from so many [TS]

00:17:21   people who claim to have knowledge of this is all you know secondhand hearsay [TS]

00:17:25   all the stuff with so many people who who claimed to have heard authoritative [TS]

00:17:29   Lee that know this is going to separate devices now we just gotta wait for the [TS]

00:17:32   925 MAC store with my cups of the the iPad pro and then we can talk about that [TS]

00:17:36   too [TS]

00:17:37   there are rumors everywhere and like the reason we discuss the 925 Mac one is [TS]

00:17:41   because it was interesting rumor at least and Max track record is reasonable [TS]

00:17:48   enough that we're not just like picking some random thing from some website [TS]

00:17:50   saying somebody said this let's talk about it because [TS]

00:17:53   and again because it was technically feasible because it it it's a great [TS]

00:17:57   rumor that takes advantage of like you know and technologies that we have a USB [TS]

00:18:01   3 the connector and what the bus can carry makes new hardware designs [TS]

00:18:05   possible so it's inevitable that Apple use that connector in interesting ways [TS]

00:18:08   its future Max and this is one possible way they could do it our first bunch of [TS]

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00:22:05   ok so John would like to tell us a little bit about hypocritical back in [TS]

00:22:09   the day [TS]

00:22:10   yes another person reminded me of a forgotten this is Jason Becker is [TS]

00:22:14   hypocritical follow-up carrying over to the show people keep reminding me that [TS]

00:22:20   like hey talk about something that's relevant to a time when ATP and I was [TS]

00:22:26   talking about is probably one of my blog posts to like about things getting [TS]

00:22:29   thinner I think at the time was about the IMAX people are beside the dynamic [TS]

00:22:33   with super thin or whatever it is relevant to the rumored twelve-inch hair [TS]

00:22:37   because the whole deal with jerry is like they just give me and Marcus talk [TS]

00:22:41   about why you gotta tapered talk about this paper you could get way more [TS]

00:22:45   battery and what does the taper give you that's another example of I can give me [TS]

00:22:50   the reason for this is the reason I would imagine if the paper is perception [TS]

00:22:57   of this and possibly wait those the two like because the paper does make it feel [TS]

00:23:02   like well it was razor edge type thing you know he feels better than ever [TS]

00:23:06   uniformed men and making it actually be thinner reduces the wait till maybe this [TS]

00:23:12   room for ninety percent battery but we don't know the battery life is at the [TS]

00:23:15   sectional project we have to wait to see what it's like [TS]

00:23:18   but it always comes back the question we talked about with the phones and I've [TS]

00:23:23   always said that I even though it's frustrating that they don't expand the [TS]

00:23:26   line to give him out of it is a little bit thicker in a little heavier in [TS]

00:23:29   exchange for battery life but rely entirely on third-party you know battery [TS]

00:23:32   cases and stuff or third-party recharge extra battery packs and other stuff this [TS]

00:23:37   offer laptops do you play into it along plane fighter whatever why do they keep [TS]

00:23:42   making dinner why and why do I support that idea of one of the reasons that I [TS]

00:23:46   supported is think this post on my website shows that you don't if you just [TS]

00:23:54   keep making the same thickness and keep making the battery bigger and just keep [TS]

00:23:57   finding things to do with space available to you like oh we can use an [TS]

00:24:00   even 200 GPU [TS]

00:24:01   the power of everything has gone down we can you know we have so much extra power [TS]

00:24:05   budget make the battery life even longer and you know you could do a lot of you [TS]

00:24:08   stayed within a similar size but if you do that you're never going to learn how [TS]

00:24:12   to make things really thin and it's not like you know five years from now [TS]

00:24:16   someone is going to be ready with some new technology like wow that technology [TS]

00:24:22   we can make a laptop you know even thinner and you can just can't you won't [TS]

00:24:26   have the expertise to jump from your half-inch thick laptop to the one that's [TS]

00:24:31   the thickness of a credit card or whatever works better than our phones [TS]

00:24:34   but I think that was the analogy was using it like that and that stupid soon [TS]

00:24:40   they're going to be even have to bend them like they got the pending issues [TS]

00:24:43   with the iPhone 6 and everything and they just a start becoming thin and I [TS]

00:24:46   feel like geez we're going in the wrong direction here we just need to Stop you [TS]

00:24:50   don't need to stop actually need to just keep going and go through and until your [TS]

00:24:54   phone and up [TS]

00:24:55   thickness and weight of a credit card and then you drop it on the ground who [TS]

00:24:58   cares if you drive a crack on the ground the cabins do it right it's flexible its [TS]

00:25:02   then it's lighter more durable but you're not going to get to you or your [TS]

00:25:06   phone that is so light and thin and durable you don't even care about you [TS]

00:25:10   never gonna get there if you keep making your phone the thickness of the original [TS]

00:25:12   iPhone news keep adding more CPU and RAM and batteries that thickness so this i [TS]

00:25:17   think is part of the march of progress and as it relates to the MacBook Air [TS]

00:25:21   rumored 12 injury just any of the guys that are out now why do they keep making [TS]

00:25:26   that dinner what they need for that I think I think part of it is wait because [TS]

00:25:31   as Markov and out with the iPad air even though it is like who cares how programs [TS]

00:25:35   here a couple grams there are things that you either holds all the time like [TS]

00:25:39   the iOS devices or carry around a lot you know from room to room in your [TS]

00:25:42   backpack there are little thresholds of weight [TS]

00:25:47   speaking of Ireland talk about tech discusses on his pocket if you don't how [TS]

00:25:52   once you pass a certain threshold the way he doesn't notice when that Apple [TS]

00:25:56   hardware is in his backpack like is he notices more when it when he brings his [TS]

00:25:59   leather men with him I get a metal on metal tool he knows when that says in [TS]

00:26:03   his backpack but he can't even tell us much about me and there is it not [TS]

00:26:06   the MacBook Air could be getting to that thing where it's not a factor of like it [TS]

00:26:10   used to be like and have a laptop my backpack out of luck that big thing [TS]

00:26:13   around book air is already have crossed the threshold of like it's not a big lug [TS]

00:26:18   around but you kind of know when it's in there and if they keep going along this [TS]

00:26:21   path of making dinner and keeping with the taper making it lighter they are [TS]

00:26:25   they will eventually run up into a durability issue because you can take a [TS]

00:26:28   little time that then because in spring back likes a carbon fiber would in the [TS]

00:26:31   event they got the screen problem there especially fused glass anywhere in it [TS]

00:26:34   for flexibility but they're approaching a place where they have to do some [TS]

00:26:38   materials designed to within the current materials they're using their just [TS]

00:26:42   trying to keep going to get the expertise of like how think we make this [TS]

00:26:45   how much can we move what is actually essential job and is why we're talking [TS]

00:26:49   about us that what is essential to you need a keyboard on the screen [TS]

00:26:54   have a just a keyboard no screen the MacBook shuttle now that's what I'm [TS]

00:27:00   still thinking about these things which is why I'm not doing for so much for why [TS]

00:27:04   you gotta make it stand apart thing I complained to them because if you think [TS]

00:27:07   if you think you need any parts why would you have one of them enough to get [TS]

00:27:13   to this another fall by about that but that I just wanted to follow that up [TS]

00:27:18   because I talked about how we're gonna actually blogged about it and it is [TS]

00:27:21   relevant to this rumors of the sectional product there was a really good post in [TS]

00:27:26   16 colors do since no new website with research help from our friend Steven [TS]

00:27:30   hackett with about Apple solving for x with battery life or end and the the [TS]

00:27:37   gist of the post is if you look Apple has has clearly decided like what the [TS]

00:27:42   right level of battery life is for iPhones and iPads and they've they've [TS]

00:27:47   kept it fairly consistent or at least within a very small range iPad exactly [TS]

00:27:53   the same and iPhones are very low bit more but it's it's clear like you know [TS]

00:27:57   Apple AAPL has decided through whatever through research or experimentation or [TS]

00:28:02   just thinking you know whatever they think is best [TS]

00:28:05   they've decided clearly like we don't need more battery life than this in this [TS]

00:28:09   device type and so any savings we get from advancements in technology [TS]

00:28:14   manufacturing we can apply to other areas like making it then [TS]

00:28:17   her later and I think this it's it's it's so obviously look at this that ok [TS]

00:28:23   of course that's what they're doing this they have been doing and so looking at [TS]

00:28:28   this I think it's pretty obvious that the the quote MacBooks tell her [TS]

00:28:32   everything ends up being called names everything ends up being call if it's [TS]

00:28:37   real I think it's pretty obvious that you know it's not going to be a quantum [TS]

00:28:41   leap forward in battery life it is most likely gonna they're going to apply the [TS]

00:28:45   savings towards the innocent wait and I agreed with what you said about liking [TS]

00:28:48   we do need to make progress in those areas over time I do think though like I [TS]

00:28:55   don't know anybody who has an iPhone who is extremely satisfied with the battery [TS]

00:28:59   life most of the time you do now an iPhone I am extremely satisfied with my [TS]

00:29:05   phone for like a day like this is how part of the reason have an iPhone is [TS]

00:29:11   because they don't really need one but now that I have on battery life like I [TS]

00:29:18   can forget to charge it for a day and I'm fine I go two days for that who do [TS]

00:29:22   you know he's a knife on August two days but that doesn't mean that it's not [TS]

00:29:27   appropriate said before arrival to had a model of phone that does it different [TS]

00:29:31   trade offer people will be able to use it had to do barely get through the day [TS]

00:29:35   and it's hard there should be a product for them but the current battery life is [TS]

00:29:39   fine and I think and there was a graph that shows like an uptick for the office [TS]

00:29:42   of the six plus that they got there creating six plus the only big jump on [TS]

00:29:47   it is up to a week we've talked to over the past year many many times about the [TS]

00:29:52   same exact thing of like how how they they're holding coltd battery life [TS]

00:30:00   constant and then make it thinner if you can and I are you were saying that like [TS]

00:30:06   they've decided decided that the best for them I don't think they decided [TS]

00:30:10   anything like I think that's just that's about it like they have and when it I [TS]

00:30:14   thought device that was a mandate no aggression on battery life you can [TS]

00:30:18   and mandated wavered the iPad 3 again we've discussed many times and you know [TS]

00:30:24   that that has been their mandate but I don't I wouldn't worry too much on them [TS]

00:30:29   deciding the same way that like they decided like oh the size of the iPhone [TS]

00:30:32   exactly right now this is the size they made it seem like good side of the time [TS]

00:30:36   later they try to talk to and they made a bigger that's alright like it's it's [TS]

00:30:41   up for grabs right and I think the battery life on all the products being [TS]

00:30:45   held burrows constant is simply a matter of the fall product can be worse than [TS]

00:30:49   the one that came before but if you try to make it better [TS]

00:30:53   all the areas that you can make it better battery life is like seems like [TS]

00:30:56   the last on the list like you're not going to regress you gotta make it at [TS]

00:30:59   least the same doesn't get any better than their places it but we can make [TS]

00:31:02   better and CPU and GPU and screen you know in interface you know it in GPS [TS]

00:31:09   manufacturer durability like all these different categories and battery life is [TS]

00:31:12   like just don't regret it seems to be pretty darn low on the list of things [TS]

00:31:16   that prioritizing and i think is a reasonable parties again for the reason [TS]

00:31:19   that talked about the thinnest and also because you know faster CPUs and GPUs [TS]

00:31:23   cell phones more than battery life just to make one model and battery app I [TS]

00:31:28   guess maybe this exposes yeah that's pretty clear that their answer but I [TS]

00:31:32   think you know similar to argue about the news we're like we have to make [TS]

00:31:36   progress gradually over time to to eventually have like a major step [TS]

00:31:41   forward you know in total the same thing about her life and they have made [TS]

00:31:46   incremental progress over time but it really has been fairly incremental in [TS]

00:31:50   part of this is because battery technology changes so incredibly slowly [TS]

00:31:54   and and like we're not going to have compared to the silicon technology not [TS]

00:31:58   that I mean it changes the species just compared to almost every other component [TS]

00:32:03   you know what you can do with those on the screens are just like twice as good [TS]

00:32:08   twice three times the resolution electron on the phone batteries have not [TS]

00:32:11   gotten three times as good lifetime different rates of technology change [TS]

00:32:15   right but like any of the laptops their battery lives have gone up substantially [TS]

00:32:20   over the last few years where it wasn't that long ago that like a five hour [TS]

00:32:24   battery life was top of the line under the most ideal conditions only [TS]

00:32:28   and now we're up to you know 780 fairly regularly although I've never gotten [TS]

00:32:34   that but that's because I by the big four core model that I know anyway [TS]

00:32:38   battery life but we're where things get interesting were you when you get like [TS]

00:32:42   you know really interesting shift in it what this enables you to do is when you [TS]

00:32:47   have a really big change battery life when all of a sudden like if your laptop [TS]

00:32:52   if you don't need to be plugged it in all day like if you can actually work on [TS]

00:32:57   battery all day and not worry about not have range anxiety not worried about [TS]

00:33:02   bottoming out having to plug in like if you can't treat it actually if your [TS]

00:33:06   laptop genuinely has a 24 hour in use with WiFi battery life then that enables [TS]

00:33:12   uses that that enables freedoms that you do that you might have before the order [TS]

00:33:16   you that you couldn't count on realized that before that's where things get [TS]

00:33:20   interesting is when you can make jumps like that and overtime eventually maybe [TS]

00:33:23   we'll get there I hope maybe but but if you look at the way Apple does these [TS]

00:33:28   dumps it doesn't look like that's it doesn't look like getting there is a [TS]

00:33:32   very high priority [TS]

00:33:33   you know eventually they they might get there like accidentally but it doesn't [TS]

00:33:38   seem like they're pushing for that and i think i think thats a lost opportunity [TS]

00:33:42   like the rumor 12 inch MacBook is an indication of how they might make the [TS]

00:33:47   next step on that because as we said when they pass city like the batteries [TS]

00:33:54   are getting better that much faster what is happening is that every other [TS]

00:33:57   components in laptop get lower power and that's how we get like the current good [TS]

00:34:01   MacBook Air is that you know better battery life opens did [TS]

00:34:04   but for these for this rumored think this could be a way they make sort of a [TS]

00:34:10   larger step for asleep while the batteries are really getting that much [TS]

00:34:13   better but but you know some in the back of some designers mine Harbor designer [TS]

00:34:18   gianni over both have the idea of components keep getting bigger screens [TS]

00:34:22   even though we went to the retina 5 cam xvid ITA lower power than the previous [TS]

00:34:25   screen eventually they're going to get decent OLED these things you have an [TS]

00:34:29   even bigger drop such as they make their entire enterprise black lots of lots of [TS]

00:34:34   the components are going down and power usage but somebody has in the back of [TS]

00:34:38   their mind can I just drop everything and it's freakin notebook and just have [TS]

00:34:42   like a tiny little to centimeter square that's the whole laptop and then just [TS]

00:34:48   tell the rest of it with battery like what can I pull out of this laptop [TS]

00:34:51   keyboard screen alright what else can I remove can I remove everything except [TS]

00:34:56   can I remove all the parts night we need someplace or power to go in and remove [TS]

00:35:01   every single interface except for one low power USB 3 thing I can get rid of [TS]

00:35:06   you know if they could have got to get rid of audio and I know that the hybrid [TS]

00:35:10   cable to like a headphone jack is the input thing but I'm still like those [TS]

00:35:14   those don't offer audio anymore sorry I should clarify most hardware the iMac [TS]

00:35:20   does have audio in the Mac the Mac Mini has audio in the laptops as far as I [TS]

00:35:23   know their laptops don't have anymore I mean that's not really a probably a [TS]

00:35:28   power-saving so maybe the chips that are like they just they want them to be like [TS]

00:35:31   the phone where it's mostly just a giant battery in the case of the screen and [TS]

00:35:35   then off to the side this tiny little thing that is the entire computer and if [TS]

00:35:38   you look inside the MacBook Air as you watch the battery slowly eat the rest of [TS]

00:35:41   the computer over the past few years to be like a board inside there in the [TS]

00:35:45   board became like two little skinny things and just like it's running away [TS]

00:35:49   from this giant battery that's eating it and one of the ways you get power [TS]

00:35:52   savings banks just to be merciless about what you remove I guess we should [TS]

00:35:55   probably skip to that follow up item because it's related to destroy Gulfport [TS]

00:36:00   MS reasons like I could ask for why do I get was one part that I don't have with [TS]

00:36:04   two why would they do this is there reason begin think he's got to get us [TS]

00:36:09   reasons one is related to power but in a slightly different way that I was [TS]

00:36:13   talking to Michael maybe baby to me and you can [TS]

00:36:15   have like maybe ripping out the part means ripping up the supporting chipset [TS]

00:36:19   because the one part of their some large gain that's not just like incremental I [TS]

00:36:24   could you know you don't need supporting machinery behind in-depth reports the [TS]

00:36:27   one part wires directly into the thing without a control who knows I don't know [TS]

00:36:30   the details maybe but now it isn't about it is almost certainly out of a [TS]

00:36:34   controller logic inside it's about the amount of power that port could draw by [TS]

00:36:38   its own specs so if you have like firewire devices could write n water [TS]

00:36:43   supply that's a new USB as I think so anyway it's like if you have multiple [TS]

00:36:49   ports you have to put the laptop has to be able to supply the maximum power draw [TS]

00:36:53   those ports would have to have a power supply big enough so that shortens the [TS]

00:36:56   battery life of young plugged in like I don't think optimizing for the [TS]

00:37:00   everything plugged in battery life I think they're optimizing for the battery [TS]

00:37:03   life with nothing like that's the life you know there whenever they charge a [TS]

00:37:07   battery life they're not saying with a bunch of Dr sucking power so you know [TS]

00:37:10   self-powered hard drive spinning hard drives our family apart like it's always [TS]

00:37:14   worth noting something is this impassive power you know did you need other [TS]

00:37:18   components anyway I think it's more like you know it could if you have if you [TS]

00:37:22   have the port the conduction potentially draw 10 watts or whatever then every [TS]

00:37:26   like two power supply circuit race be bigger the power brick has to be bigger [TS]

00:37:29   the total power drawn and thermal output of the laptop has to be best to be [TS]

00:37:33   higher than the peak power but yeah there could be some passive loss to [TS]

00:37:37   larger supply or whatever but his angle on it is that if you had two parts he [TS]

00:37:41   thinks that they would both have to support charging like if you're gonna [TS]

00:37:43   charge through it and then maybe there will be more complicated electrically [TS]

00:37:47   and that would be the complication I would imagine that they have two parts [TS]

00:37:50   they would be perfectly fine they only charged one of them a little like [TS]

00:37:54   charges simple folks are in town and laser-etched stuff to no human being can [TS]

00:37:58   see his second thought was there is no room for more ports because the keyboard [TS]

00:38:05   goes edged age and he needs space for the key travel and they're putting the [TS]

00:38:08   part in the one place where it can be where dozens [TS]

00:38:13   that doesn't explain why you can't have one on one side and on the other hand [TS]

00:38:17   the headphone port I feel like you showed that from looking for these fake [TS]

00:38:22   marketable product doesn't actually exist it seemed to me that there was [TS]

00:38:25   room on both sides to have you know one USB on both sides can still find a place [TS]

00:38:30   to widen the thing but like but at the time they do not constrained by a [TS]

00:38:35   predefined case or a mock-up rendering you get to design the product if your [TS]

00:38:39   gonna go keyboard edge-to-edge fine like moving down an extra three millimeters [TS]

00:38:42   to make room for the you know I don't find news reasons particularly [TS]

00:38:46   convincing but there are certain spots this week is a glue and internet you [TS]

00:38:52   will actually like a glue is easy to use apps like shared counters twitter-like [TS]

00:38:57   microblogs file-sharing test management and more [TS]

00:39:00   it is everything you need to work better together in one very configurable cloud [TS]

00:39:05   platform [TS]

00:39:06   igloo software dot com slash ATP to sign up a clue is an internet you actually [TS]

00:39:11   like that is free for up to 10 people and very reasonably priced when she go [TS]

00:39:15   past that they've responsive design it works perfectly on all your devices iOS [TS]

00:39:20   Android and Blackberry all supported fully as well they built their document [TS]

00:39:25   renderer and their annotation engine all with html5 so that even that will work [TS]

00:39:30   all the dynamic features the commenting features the antigen peter that all [TS]

00:39:33   works even on smart phones blackberries even know it'll work with whatever Apple [TS]

00:39:39   releases new devices new size devices it works great on those because it's fully [TS]

00:39:43   responsive you can review document decomposed product updates you can even [TS]

00:39:48   change admin settings are all the EU can do pretty much anything you can do [TS]

00:39:52   anything you can do from mobile device as well it's really mobile first design [TS]

00:39:56   fully responsive design perfect for all that stuff you can customize the look [TS]

00:40:00   and feel and when you customize that those customizations also carry over to [TS]

00:40:04   every device gets fully responsive and integrated with your design and even in [TS]

00:40:09   the past I don't know why but in the past [TS]

00:40:13   Gardner put them under Magic Quadrant for social software for six consecutive [TS]

00:40:18   years I'm guessing that comes out next I but they're still gonna be on it [TS]

00:40:21   alongside tech giants including Microsoft IBM Google VMware Salesforce [TS]

00:40:25   ASAP in this report that valued the viability of the vendor Gartner praised [TS]

00:40:32   igloo for their response their their responsiveness and customer experience [TS]

00:40:36   to quote from this report from last fall [TS]

00:40:39   feedback from it was reference customers was consistently positive they praised [TS]

00:40:42   the product deployment configuration and customization flexibility with their [TS]

00:40:45   self-serve options for non-technical users controller branding and [TS]

00:40:49   information renovation and ease of use they also praised the responsiveness of [TS]

00:40:53   a clue as an organization so anyway if your company has a legacy internet built [TS]

00:40:57   on SharePoint or old portal technology you should definitely give it a try [TS]

00:41:01   because i dont have never heard of anybody who says they love their [TS]

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00:41:08   free to use for teamed up to 10 people so really if you're a small company you [TS]

00:41:12   have nothing to lose just go try it even if you're a small department within a [TS]

00:41:15   big company go try for departments if you like it [TS]

00:41:18   sign up it includes software dot com slash ATPs igloo software dot com slash [TS]

00:41:23   ATP thanks a lot so we're going a little long on the follow-up but i wanna try to [TS]

00:41:28   trudge through all the 12 inch air stuff episode 100 all follow up this probably [TS]

00:41:35   will be then that would be fitting so do you want to talk I think this is mostly [TS]

00:41:41   aimed at John do you want to talk about which will Compton said to us as a [TS]

00:41:45   couple people who talked about the twelve in number 12 in share as it [TS]

00:41:51   relates to crime books and you mentioned it wasn't UKC analyzed show talking [TS]

00:41:54   about crime books books you'll know it's like a laptop that you know it's like [TS]

00:42:00   this never computer all over again at the laptop the laptop itself doesn't [TS]

00:42:06   have it in part on everything mccloud laptops just local cash it super simple [TS]

00:42:09   and super cheap and they like him for education like you if your Chromebook [TS]

00:42:13   just falls off cliff whatever get a new one plug it in sign in with your Google [TS]

00:42:16   account your caps there again it's a really great idea [TS]

00:42:19   the videos that Google has shown a presented it everything is essentially [TS]

00:42:24   the future of computing and Apple and Google is their first [TS]

00:42:27   and it's only there because it's so but these two angle record of people like [TS]

00:42:36   the crime books for the elimination of all the headaches that come with like [TS]

00:42:40   owning and maintaining a computer try moving more towards being a disposable [TS]

00:42:43   type thing which obviously is the opposite of the way Apple and the second [TS]

00:42:48   aspect that is so damn cheap like remember the netbooks from a long time [TS]

00:42:50   ago ever ever ever let's keep things of course Apple needs to make cheap things [TS]

00:42:55   to compete but that's not around in circles about that the network book and [TS]

00:43:00   the Chromebook seems TV bring the issue back again I think the people who learn [TS]

00:43:04   the lesson in the network there are fine but now the new crop of people who were [TS]

00:43:10   either around during the network thing or have forgotten who are saying Apple [TS]

00:43:14   needs to come out with a $300 laptop if they don't the Chromebook is gonna eat [TS]

00:43:19   their lunch and education they're going to take over the education market [TS]

00:43:21   schools are cheap and they want cheap laptops and you know the Chromebook is [TS]

00:43:25   less expensive than iPads even even if you buy an iPad Tues and other stuff and [TS]

00:43:29   yeah so there's a lot of angles when you see a small thin light thing you like oh [TS]

00:43:35   that's gonna be Apple's companies in the Chromebook and every time someone [TS]

00:43:39   tweeted that at me or send feedback related to crumble call you think was [TS]

00:43:43   gonna give people the true crime book with a product that's four times the [TS]

00:43:46   price may be ten times the price like we didn't talk about pricing of the rumored [TS]

00:43:51   fictional pride here but do any of his expect this that laptop to be less than [TS]

00:43:56   around $1000 I mean Chromebook started about $200 right right so it's like it's [TS]

00:44:01   five x the price like I'm guessing 1500 start right thing it could be even more [TS]

00:44:07   expensive like it you know because of the thinnest like that's just not how it [TS]

00:44:10   works like nobody I don't think anybody thinks this number 12 in chair is going [TS]

00:44:14   to be some super duper cheap like maybe it'll be cheaper than the current air [TS]

00:44:18   somehow possibly cause of all the crap out of it that's conceivable but is it [TS]

00:44:22   gonna be $200 000 and so it's seems crazy to me to talk about competing with [TS]

00:44:28   Chromebooks with a private and not in its price range like that no matter what [TS]

00:44:32   you think about competition [TS]

00:44:34   it's very like there's no sentence saying this is like saying that my [TS]

00:44:39   hundred court competes with the Ferrari like they don't there is no competition [TS]

00:44:42   between them you can't entertain thoughts of competition between them [TS]

00:44:45   during a different market and how much you think that you know before I really [TS]

00:44:50   needs to answer for the new Honda Accord because I know they don't they just what [TS]

00:44:56   do you mean answer whether they actually do for I think that the new Ferrari is [TS]

00:44:59   for our use answer to the new Honda Odyssey house if you wanna know they're [TS]

00:45:04   not the pricing is is the you know multiples of each other but I really do [TS]

00:45:07   think that's their answer no they're not comfortable so any time I see the word [TS]

00:45:11   Chromebook in relation to this thing again it's a rumor thing I don't know [TS]

00:45:15   maybe it will cost too much greater by three of them right but I really don't [TS]

00:45:19   think it will you wouldn't even buy one you complain about the but see there's [TS]

00:45:26   no there's no until there is at least a pricing rumor about this I don't think [TS]

00:45:30   it's important I do think that Apple's competition is the idea behind the [TS]

00:45:35   Chromebook and perhaps I think this is Casey was perhaps like their answer to [TS]

00:45:40   see the whole thing of like oh we don't need parts anymore we remove [TS]

00:45:44   complications everything you always have ever that is eventually the future is [TS]

00:45:48   just not quite the present and people buy computers they want to use in the [TS]

00:45:51   present and the president you can remove everything apart from a laptop except [TS]

00:45:54   for USB we totally can do that by the way someone just an hour ago tweeted a [TS]

00:45:58   picture showing us USB Type C with DisplayPort going over it I don't know [TS]

00:46:03   how many times we had to reiterate this yes it's not it's not a made up crazy [TS]

00:46:06   Apple thing you can send DisplayPort over USB Type C connector it's part of [TS]

00:46:10   the suspect it is not Anakin PowerRating 25 K [TS]

00:46:13   it has enough bandwidth for that right I can just look at the spectacle of the [TS]

00:46:17   shows they show you the pin out to show you guys over those 10 this is not an [TS]

00:46:22   industry-wide spec it is not speculation that were saying this is technically [TS]

00:46:25   possible and really attack impossible to think so you'll be buying products with [TS]

00:46:29   it anyway I mean I don't know why people keep sending us these things to show us [TS]

00:46:32   the displaying or yeah just it's baffling to me so I do think Apple has [TS]

00:46:41   to eventually have an answer to the idea behind [TS]

00:46:44   the Chromebook but I think it's also for now it is trying to field products that [TS]

00:46:50   fulfill needs that people that do you know do the Apple thing that premium [TS]

00:46:53   products they charge of paying for it and make a lot of money their fancy [TS]

00:46:56   their nice hardware wise were all talking about here and thus far Apple [TS]

00:47:02   has not shown any interest in trying to compete with the various other companies [TS]

00:47:07   that sell similar devices for massively lower prices and I don't see anything in [TS]

00:47:13   this rumor that makes me think it's gonna be a mess again I can entertain [TS]

00:47:16   the idea that the entry level model of a three digit price I can't entertain the [TS]

00:47:20   idea that will be 200 bucks I don't think it'll be anywhere near that sheep [TS]

00:47:25   I think you're both right that it'll be around about $7,000 if it's what we [TS]

00:47:29   think it is which by the way obviously him he totally different but if it's [TS]

00:47:34   less than $1,000 I will be stunned I think also you know I saw a few people [TS]

00:47:40   made the comment that Apple has to respond Chromebook style because [TS]

00:47:45   Chromebooks are apparently selling well to education first of all you know I [TS]

00:47:49   think Apple's answer to the Chromebook is the iPad I don't think it's a cheap [TS]

00:47:53   laptop and by the way [TS]

00:47:55   iPads can push up in 2008 the fancy model so it's not like iPads or 200 [TS]

00:48:01   bucks either [TS]

00:48:02   education markets buying like you know that the Tribune four-door models but [TS]

00:48:06   still you know that that's that's still more than Chromebook and in many ways [TS]

00:48:10   harder to manage 44 big you know schooler fleet type used anyway I'm I [TS]

00:48:15   don't think Apple holds the educational relationship as some kind of thing that [TS]

00:48:19   they can never lose education customers are you know just like big enterprise [TS]

00:48:24   customers there is a lot of buyers out there that they will buy stuff but [TS]

00:48:29   they're extremely hard to get and education it's like enterprise but with [TS]

00:48:34   no money like there is money in education but not nearly as much as as [TS]

00:48:39   as anybody wants you can't please them like IBM will do for its corporate [TS]

00:48:44   corporate customers by charging them insane fees because they know it may [TS]

00:48:48   look crazy but they have so much money they'll pay it [TS]

00:48:50   right and and many of the biggest buyers are going to be very high needs high [TS]

00:48:56   maintenance customers that like you're gonna have to come to them on their [TS]

00:48:59   terms and and you know make concessions to them because they they have to buy [TS]

00:49:04   you know couple hundred or thousand of these things and maintain them over time [TS]

00:49:08   and justify that to all these different committees and and funders and work [TS]

00:49:12   within the grants and every like they're so so much complexity in that system and [TS]

00:49:17   it's so hard to get an in the end there's not a whole lot of money to be [TS]

00:49:20   made there and so I don't think Apple look at that as something that they must [TS]

00:49:25   keep I think education should be looked at [TS]

00:49:28   just like any other big enterprise customer we're like they'll be happy to [TS]

00:49:33   serve them but only on Apple's terms and they're not that scared to lose them and [TS]

00:49:39   and you can look at it and say well you know you wanna catch kids early but I [TS]

00:49:43   think the era of kids the of the kids having their like primary computing [TS]

00:49:48   experience at school is certainly not going away or and probably never totally [TS]

00:49:54   go away from from many demographics and and kids but I think the relevance that [TS]

00:49:59   is being really reduced by personal devices smartphones iPod touches and [TS]

00:50:03   iPads at home USA like Apple doesn't necessarily have to be too concerned [TS]

00:50:09   with keeping the education market it just has to be concerned with keeping [TS]

00:50:13   the kids doing pretty well keeping the kids because you said the kids have [TS]

00:50:18   contact with computing devices outside everywhere now it's not just in a school [TS]

00:50:24   or work it's a part of life right so long as a bookkeeper the kids are okay [TS]

00:50:27   now there is a danger here because like if if comebacks ever to become pervasive [TS]

00:50:33   but I don't think that you know you're doing well but I don't think it's like [TS]

00:50:37   they're wiping out a lot of education but if they do become pervasive it's [TS]

00:50:41   that Microsoft hates it because all the kids are gonna be doing all the work in [TS]

00:50:43   Google Docs that word [TS]

00:50:45   and Apple should hate it because kids become acclimated to the Google [TS]

00:50:48   ecosystem which does not involve Apple and Google ecosystem in terms of the [TS]

00:50:51   closet I was actually pretty damn good documents you like that Google thing a [TS]

00:50:57   bunch of web applications lowest-common-denominator works [TS]

00:50:59   everywhere all your crap saying if kids get used to that it's a short jumper [TS]

00:51:03   from there to the phone earlier stops right so keeping the kids part of [TS]

00:51:09   keeping the kids is giving it to hold an education so far in sort of the jobs to [TS]

00:51:13   air it seems like Apple's approach to education has been we in if you are [TS]

00:51:18   prestigious school if there's going to be a news story about your school [TS]

00:51:21   getting fancy stuff we want to have our stuff in the prestigious school that [TS]

00:51:25   Nestle the rich kids school but if the school that story worthy is it a school [TS]

00:51:28   that up and coming with doing much better now is it a school they got a big [TS]

00:51:33   grant is it is like you wanted to be a story wanted to be like the important [TS]

00:51:37   ones and then it should be significant the kids in that school and teaching [TS]

00:51:42   that schools should be lucky to have Apple hardware biggest fans in shining [TS]

00:51:45   eyes and expensive and that's where Apple seems to be education these days [TS]

00:51:50   it's not so much bending over backwards with the possible exception of keeping [TS]

00:51:54   the iPad 2 around for a long time but they're not doing stuff like more of [TS]

00:51:56   these two de Mac and the various maximum made just for education those were all [TS]

00:52:01   pretty short lived though but they would do that they would say we're going to [TS]

00:52:05   make a model of MacBook is only for education it's going to make compromises [TS]

00:52:08   that work for education compromises are ways to make it cheaper sometimes it [TS]

00:52:12   would be an educationally version i think is really the super cheap vimax [TS]

00:52:16   writer keep him out of the strange occasions this start doing stuff for the [TS]

00:52:20   market but I think the days are gone with a design like the giant to know [TS]

00:52:24   where to look at but that hasn't put in the shower now it's a computer only ever [TS]

00:52:28   sold education [TS]

00:52:30   most of the terrible by the way but they existed and apples out there is not a [TS]

00:52:35   computer with a different name like if not an iMac Mac Mini whatever different [TS]

00:52:39   name that you can't buy your education so that I business it's funny you [TS]

00:52:44   mentioned education Apple because relatively moved to Richmond one of the [TS]

00:52:48   surrounding counties they were using iBooks and issuing I believe all middle [TS]

00:52:53   schoolers and high schoolers iBooks and they decided [TS]

00:52:58   it was cheaper in better to go with Dell's and they've been using dolls ever [TS]

00:53:03   since and you may have heard of this I did this was the area in which we live [TS]

00:53:08   it made national news because they were selling these like 230 four-year-old [TS]

00:53:12   iBooks for 50 bucks at the NASCAR track there in downtown Richmond and they're [TS]

00:53:17   actually like stampedes trying to beat each other up to get to the front of the [TS]

00:53:22   line she could buy $50 four-year old iBook and that was right around where we [TS]

00:53:27   live and now they've news and else for years and pieces of crap all the books [TS]

00:53:31   are falling apart by the time they were done with them [TS]

00:53:34   yeah that that's what it's like buying a used police car like yours there's a [TS]

00:53:39   reason why I used police cars usually just become the crappiest taxis for the [TS]

00:53:44   crappiest taxi services in the world like it is like these devices are in [TS]

00:53:49   flux constant heavy use for those for you if you do not want them after [TS]

00:53:55   although to be fair to give to those books can you imagine a stampede for [TS]

00:54:01   four year old PCs at any price no definitely not [TS]

00:54:04   it's not a fashion item doesn't have the procedure so even even an out of date [TS]

00:54:10   technology things so has the fashion cachet so people are interested in the [TS]

00:54:13   day like it's it's a good deal if you wanna make the foreign listeners the [TS]

00:54:18   non-us listeners feel even more that we live in a third world country can [TS]

00:54:23   describe the other common phenomenon for technologies in schools [TS]

00:54:26   technologies or you know tissues and paper towels which is there's no money [TS]

00:54:30   in the budget for it at all the only way your school is ever going to get any [TS]

00:54:34   kind of technology or you know paper towels and tissues for the kids to use [TS]

00:54:38   is they the parents themselves to the parent teachers association or some [TS]

00:54:43   other like you know organization thing will raise money and the parents will [TS]

00:54:47   pay for the computers for their get school and that only works for all the [TS]

00:54:50   parents are rich so you can guess how many ppl schools have maximum schools [TS]

00:54:55   that are in districts where even the discs with rich people even those [TS]

00:54:59   districts can't pass laws to raise taxes enough to pay for anything for their [TS]

00:55:03   schools [TS]

00:55:04   barely can keep the buildings up you know barely can pay the teachers their [TS]

00:55:07   meager salaries can't afford any computers can you want your classroom [TS]

00:55:11   have paper towels napkins or tissues you also have to pay for those in to drive [TS]

00:55:15   around this is a rich neighborhood at the state of education in our country [TS]

00:55:18   that's absolutely true when I went to high school he was in Fairfield County [TS]

00:55:22   Connecticut which at the time as a county was the single most affluent [TS]

00:55:26   county and in the entire country because they had a whole bunch of like silly [TS]

00:55:30   rich superstars that instead of living in New York they'd live in Fairfield [TS]

00:55:35   County no particular town i lived in was I mean I guess reasonably affluent but [TS]

00:55:40   not nothing remarkable in every spring without fail calm about March or so all [TS]

00:55:48   of our Xerox paper cup machine paper it was perforated about two-thirds the way [TS]

00:55:53   down and then again in half and at the bottom it said Danbury Hospital [TS]

00:55:58   radiology department because despite the fact that we lived in the most affluent [TS]

00:56:03   county in the entire country all of the people that lived in the particular town [TS]

00:56:07   we lived in didn't want to pay enough money to the schools so that we had [TS]

00:56:12   copied paper for the entire year and we needed to accept donations of like [TS]

00:56:16   crappy leftover perforated copy paper from the local hospital that's gonna [TS]

00:56:23   start what it what other phone up to have one last note this is from Oliver [TS]

00:56:28   agar agar apologies all over you treated at the three of us it's pretty clear now [TS]

00:56:35   that both thunderbolt and lightning [TS]

00:56:37   going to be the shortest leave ports ever I'm not agree with that it's [TS]

00:56:43   certainly possible but I don't see lightning going away anytime soon I [TS]

00:56:49   think thunderbolt is more likely to go away but I'm still skeptical that that's [TS]

00:56:54   going to be the case what do you guys think [TS]

00:56:57   thunderbolts can last as long as fire where did just that I'll be sticking out [TS]

00:57:00   the back and a Mac Pro and topple stops making that computer doesn't mean it's [TS]

00:57:05   gonna like Thunderbolt totally go away from the netbook Arab don't want this [TS]

00:57:09   baby is like you can go away from the MacBook Air because the innovation of [TS]

00:57:12   Thunderbolt that was simplification hey display USB over one part but if USB 3 [TS]

00:57:18   can do all that to her boat for gun at the very least from the small laptops [TS]

00:57:24   probably also from the big ones because you know it's only for basically [TS]

00:57:27   high-speed storage like it's kind of an aberration the thunderbolt and that are [TS]

00:57:31   being on some of the low-end laptops because it was like we're not so much [TS]

00:57:34   into the high-speed storage part we like the idea that this one connector you can [TS]

00:57:38   carry all the sorts of stuff over you carry the display over you carry you do [TS]

00:57:41   anything that adapter like what kind of a shame that you know you could do it [TS]

00:57:45   one of the things we had to swap your stupid a program like it but you could [TS]

00:57:48   plug into the Thunderbolt Display and get a full complement of ports through [TS]

00:57:51   one connector I see no reason that usb3 can't accept that and so then the only [TS]

00:57:56   reason left under both is alright well actually it's a super high-speed thing [TS]

00:58:00   and across the metro as a million Thunderbolt ports on it will continue to [TS]

00:58:04   have them vulnerable spot spec will continue to get revised I think they'll [TS]

00:58:08   still be Thunderbolt ports all of those things so I don't think thunderbolt is [TS]

00:58:12   going away and lightning I definitely don't think it's going away by lightning [TS]

00:58:15   is still smaller and more importantly there I would imagine potentially more [TS]

00:58:19   durable than usb3 I don't think I was going to go through the entire highways [TS]

00:58:23   lines hello usb3 type C is here we can get rid of cellulite anything changed it [TS]

00:58:28   know it's going to be with us for a long time at least as long as I think the 30 [TS]

00:58:33   pin connector yeah I totally agree i don't i don't i don't see you know [TS]

00:58:37   thunderbolt is just like firewire 800 where it's going to be on the highest [TS]

00:58:42   and pro products and that's about it it does have that advantage as you said of [TS]

00:58:46   because it is really just PCI Express over a cable [TS]

00:58:50   you can offer like direct bolt bus connected versions of the other ports [TS]

00:58:56   without a big performance penalty or translation penalty only that but all [TS]

00:59:02   the other ports offering are getting less relevant overtime it less necessary [TS]

00:59:06   over time so I i think that the biggest justification for Thunderbolt in two [TS]

00:59:12   years it has not even gonna be those like PCI card case box is the use an old [TS]

00:59:18   PCI video card video processing car internally I don't know that I think [TS]

00:59:23   thunderbolt in in two years is going to be looked at only as the highest speed [TS]

00:59:29   port for external SSD raised and discoveries like that's what it's mainly [TS]

00:59:35   for and that's i think its use for today even but I i think thats that's going to [TS]

00:59:40   be like its mainstay and everything else is going to go to wireless or USB 30 but [TS]

00:59:48   will have to keep scaling up because like you know I always imagined the Mac [TS]

00:59:52   Pros with his son of all things having something to do with like video stuff in [TS]

00:59:55   it like a fork a video eventually becomes more common like you just [TS]

00:59:58   cranked up your bandwidth requirements against a giant arrays of super fast [TS]

01:00:03   storage and the only way you can not that storage run it at full speed that [TS]

01:00:06   it's capable of running out and get the data into computers inside your computer [TS]

01:00:10   which able to make any of those anymore it's got to be over the fastest possible [TS]

01:00:13   external Boston right now that is even with usb3 thunderbolt is still faster [TS]

01:00:18   and I imagine it'll keep making it faster and faster now become more and [TS]

01:00:21   more confined to the people who have the same data rates that are necessary to do [TS]

01:00:26   like you know uncompressed 5 k video for hollywood movies these days so and those [TS]

01:00:33   and those enclosures cost more than a MacBook Pro yeah it's not it's not the [TS]

01:00:39   the realm of regular people I'm trying to think is there a reason for [TS]

01:00:41   Thunderbolt to be to remain unlike the 15 inch MacBook Pro or anything [TS]

01:00:46   well it it is the highest n laptop in the lineup and and there's always going [TS]

01:00:50   to be demand from people who try to do pro work on laptops on the go or on-site [TS]

01:00:55   or what everyone said whatever so like there's always going to be demand [TS]

01:00:58   whether they choose to address it to me [TS]

01:01:00   is is not a guaranteed thing you know they might choose at some point you know [TS]

01:01:04   we're done with that let you know just like how many things I but the 17 inch [TS]

01:01:08   MacBook Pro I i think that the 15 inch MacBook Pro is definitely the right now [TS]

01:01:15   so i think is going to last [TS]

01:01:19   Apple laptop with Thunderbolt but I know how soon is gonna come if I had to guess [TS]

01:01:23   I would say maybe two more years before it's related to only a handful of models [TS]

01:01:30   in the lineup I hope that they keep it around for these two couple more years [TS]

01:01:34   because I know we just finally got done with the transition it work for every [TS]

01:01:38   conference room has a may display board take a swipe or take a thunderbolt to [TS]

01:01:43   VGA so that everyone can hook up to their credit projected as in their room [TS]

01:01:49   and used to be that that first you know first everyone who had a Mac adapters [TS]

01:01:53   and they write their names on them in a market that they'd lose them and then [TS]

01:01:56   you leave one in the conference room at like chained to the comp every company [TS]

01:01:59   has one and if Apple drops the entire line at a bit like well we have every [TS]

01:02:04   conference room has an adapter that has no place to be plugged into any of the [TS]

01:02:07   new Macs and that will be sad because it seems like we haven't had enough time [TS]

01:02:11   where anyone with a Mac and going to the conference room plug into the rejected [TS]

01:02:15   then you know I feel like we need to have a couple more years before we have [TS]

01:02:19   to redo it again they could you could put it over USB 3 and DisplayPort mode [TS]

01:02:24   the altered the alternate mode which we talked about a minute ago and yet just [TS]

01:02:29   another $30 a day after the Apple Store [TS]

01:02:31   just as big damaging of that go into a wonderful tutti you know HDMI or DVI to [TS]

01:02:38   VGA 05 @ after launching sometimes Vijay sometimes HDMI doesn't promise that the [TS]

01:02:44   land the end the connection to the Mac so it'd be nice to have some stability [TS]

01:02:48   and that for a little while longer view that the Thunderball doesn't like well [TS]

01:02:51   under both I don't need high speed stop I don't care at the time of multiple [TS]

01:02:55   things over it then if you don't care about any of those things you look at [TS]

01:02:58   the new ballpark that's just my external display port like I think imagine most [TS]

01:03:02   of the people in my company have max consider that their display like this [TS]

01:03:06   external monitor [TS]

01:03:07   not knowing all the other things that one part can do right and apples answer [TS]

01:03:11   might be like for a big part of the line it might just be well use airplay and [TS]

01:03:16   have an Apple TV which of course is comical AirPlay enabled directors and [TS]

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01:05:58   did it with the shows that have been on the run regularly and then I got that [TS]

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01:06:13   them out my new feed icon no feed icons I actually the funny thing is as you [TS]

01:06:18   were doing that read it occurred to me I don't know why didn't put that in that [TS]

01:06:22   order [TS]

01:06:23   put fast text in that order like that probably speaks poorly to what I think [TS]

01:06:27   of these days I know that is sad actually I'm a little upset with myself [TS]

01:06:32   but anyway [TS]

01:06:33   well use code ATP 15 to go order one now so let's let's be done with all up and [TS]

01:06:40   let's try to answer the question what can Apple do to fix the reliability what [TS]

01:06:47   did you call Marco nosedive we talked about the issue last time but we didn't [TS]

01:06:54   get to like okay so we agree that this is an issue we may disagree about [TS]

01:06:59   whether things are worse now than they've ever been there have been [TS]

01:07:02   in the past X number of years whatever value I've ever axis that I think we all [TS]

01:07:05   agreed that regardless of history and whether the trend direction the trend is [TS]

01:07:11   the current state of things is not satisfactory for addy products and [TS]

01:07:14   customers that Apple currently has the day the customers are satisfied that a [TS]

01:07:18   lot of products they'll drop of each other markers like multiplying factor of [TS]

01:07:21   like your problem multiplies the probability of problem here multiplied [TS]

01:07:24   by the probability of problem there were the probability have a problem somewhere [TS]

01:07:27   goes up it's not just that it because of the way they interact by the way I'm not [TS]

01:07:31   clear on that math that my it might actually be exponential effort oriole [TS]

01:07:35   yeah I'm not a hundred percent confident that math is not additive right yet it's [TS]

01:07:40   not a linear additive regression it is some kind of curves can do the [TS]

01:07:44   probability things are just like if you have one thing and you have a certain [TS]

01:07:46   probability it's up fifty percent of the time [TS]

01:07:48   liability right now we have two things that both the tiny them both to be up [TS]

01:07:53   and you can figure it out [TS]

01:07:55   marbles in jars and all that other stuff anyway it's worse but so we all agreed [TS]

01:08:01   that they have reliability problem they need to address it I don't and we talked [TS]

01:08:04   all a show become argue about whether this is a new problem no problem [TS]

01:08:07   whatever but so the question is how to how does Apple improve its reliability [TS]

01:08:11   say how to fix its problems sounds like there's something in the news sunday is [TS]

01:08:14   gonna be a fix to it I think a better way to phrase it is how does Apple [TS]

01:08:17   improved the reliability of its products specifically the software reliability [TS]

01:08:21   because the hardware does have issues better never hardware has an issue you [TS]

01:08:25   always wonder if it's like a driver issue you know sometimes actually a [TS]

01:08:28   hardware issue or something is overheating or some solder joints are [TS]

01:08:31   better you know some like but then sometimes I think the vast majority of [TS]

01:08:34   time it took a driver issue or they'd is never quite get it working what can I do [TS]

01:08:39   to improve the reliability of its products we talked a little about this [TS]

01:08:45   last up for whatever episode was in that they could either space out the releases [TS]

01:08:52   between OS's which i think we all pretty much agree is never going to happen or [TS]

01:08:56   just bite off less each time I don't agree that it's never gonna happen I [TS]

01:09:00   could totally see them taking longer between israelis or any anyways release [TS]

01:09:07   its not significant long and I like two years but I could see the Mac going to [TS]

01:09:10   18 months [TS]

01:09:11   and and I was going to like fourteen or fifteen and slowly drifting through year [TS]

01:09:16   you know I mean they've set such a precedent in which if broken presidents [TS]

01:09:22   in the past but this set such a president of having a new version of iOS [TS]

01:09:26   every fall in there was a time not long ago when I think people both nerds and [TS]

01:09:32   non nerds got really excited about that every fall now to be fair they may not [TS]

01:09:38   be so excited and we may not be so excited about that anymore and so maybe [TS]

01:09:41   now is the time to break that president but I'm I'm very skeptical they would do [TS]

01:09:46   it on iOS and I'm fairly skeptical they would they would go less frequently than [TS]

01:09:52   every year I noticed head but that's certainly one answer or just buying off [TS]

01:09:57   less each time you doing less new things and keeping yourself at a year release [TS]

01:10:02   me that's another option [TS]

01:10:04   well so the obvious option is sitting in the notes is one that's been suggested [TS]

01:10:07   by many people that I believe we talked about in the past many times this to go [TS]

01:10:11   to originally Intel dubbed the tick tick tock kids and which Apple has more or [TS]

01:10:16   less [TS]

01:10:17   defacto dubbed the blank blank cascades get the for the forest 2525 s sex but [TS]

01:10:25   the ideas you have to do to release that your big release but all you fancy crap [TS]

01:10:30   in it and then the next one is pretty much the same as the previous one just [TS]

01:10:34   modified in some ways after the four you have for us the same hardware design [TS]

01:10:38   YouTube we could move the antennas around like it's not it's not entirely [TS]

01:10:41   design and tourists and do the same thing with leopard that was a big [TS]

01:10:47   release and Snow Leopard is like like leopard but we just grabbed and had a [TS]

01:10:53   lion there's a big release and mountain lion which was supposed to be the out [TS]

01:10:57   like a lion but we just personal stuff [TS]

01:10:59   they're off that train was 10 because Mavericks in Yosemite are not related to [TS]

01:11:03   each other in that way I mean you're siamese radically different than [TS]

01:11:06   Mavericks was you could say marriage between release on its like yosemite but [TS]

01:11:11   week but it's very difficult to tell because without I mean the names made it [TS]

01:11:16   clear with leopard Snow Leopard or lion mountain lion but you could argue like [TS]

01:11:20   we did the contents of those releases reflect the naming only with Snow [TS]

01:11:25   Leopard Apple come out and say this is the no new features released all we're [TS]

01:11:29   doing is Frank doesn't even that was a lie because they had tons of internal [TS]

01:11:32   crap and so it was a huge underhood change just like it didn't look too [TS]

01:11:36   different to users right and the big thing is if you don't add user facing [TS]

01:11:40   features even if you make tons of under the hood changes you can you can lie to [TS]

01:11:45   people and say no new features by basic saying no to use your facial features [TS]

01:11:48   and it is known to use your expectation is that all they did was improved the [TS]

01:11:54   the functionality of the existing using like people weren't distracted by saying [TS]

01:11:58   never mind about making whatever work make this new thing where I had our work [TS]

01:12:03   better whatever that is mostly I think perception issue but I think trying to [TS]

01:12:13   achieve that perception from the customer base influences the way the [TS]

01:12:19   engineering operating organization operates like the same way that if [TS]

01:12:22   you're trying to impress people do with features it influences how USS like risk [TS]

01:12:27   reliability or whatever if you said straight out like it's gonna be another [TS]

01:12:31   new feature release that gives the engineer organization the freedom to [TS]

01:12:34   make different tradeoffs internally because there's no pressure to make the [TS]

01:12:38   with a new feature is going to be impressive in a demo because they've [TS]

01:12:41   already said that the public message was no new features you don't have to do [TS]

01:12:44   that and then you can make when you make decisions about what it would mean every [TS]

01:12:48   fact it would have been ripped out 12 what giant new internal framework GCD [TS]

01:12:52   we're gonna add you can make all those decisions without the pressure of having [TS]

01:12:56   to serves on the external need to be impressive so it's it's kind of weird to [TS]

01:13:02   the phone hardware has been on that came for so long but the Stone software is [TS]

01:13:05   definitely not [TS]

01:13:06   on that cadence right well and I would argue the hardware that's kind of a red [TS]

01:13:10   herring like if you look at the three s releases of iPhone iPad so far the 3ds [TS]

01:13:14   24 S and 25 S [TS]

01:13:16   those were all major hardware releases the deal I guess like you know minor [TS]

01:13:21   revision designation is really only cosmetic in all three of those cases [TS]

01:13:26   like this like the the cosmetics are a huge part of the hardware design because [TS]

01:13:35   its manufacturing lines it's the Tulane it's the materials it's the you know [TS]

01:13:39   it's all that all that part of it is a huge part of the product we think the [TS]

01:13:43   problem is that text back soon to see beyond area right they made them a test [TS]

01:13:47   things that like the targets despite a different how is this like a minor [TS]

01:13:50   revisions I know shared part with the previous one but that's just the guts [TS]

01:13:54   right [TS]

01:13:55   the big part of these phones how do you make a million little glass aluminum [TS]

01:13:59   rectangle thing he's to the to the quality control that Apple ones and they [TS]

01:14:02   put a huge investment into making the production lines and and the tools and [TS]

01:14:07   everything you know the materials and expertise to assemble these phones and [TS]

01:14:11   they want to get their bang for the buck and that's it we're gonna make two years [TS]

01:14:14   where the phones that use the same materials assembled and more or less the [TS]

01:14:18   same way with only possibly minor external changes to you know and moving [TS]

01:14:22   antennas and the break when said whatever you know construction [TS]

01:14:26   techniques whatever they're using whatever they want two years of [TS]

01:14:29   value-added CPU architecture like the silicon I think that's like looks so it [TS]

01:14:35   can read many Reds ride but that is a separate thing but I'm saying the [TS]

01:14:38   physical part of it is such a big part of you know physical products that [TS]

01:14:42   that's where they want to get the thing and like the fans like the new fab [TS]

01:14:46   except when they do die during this tough but it's like once you have been [TS]

01:14:50   running if you give it a different design than it has a different design [TS]

01:14:53   right and some of its new felt like it's not part of its not so much part of like [TS]

01:14:57   this the production line for particular phone i think is more still true that [TS]

01:15:01   phone then production line for particular CPUs built their CPU [TS]

01:15:06   yeah but where they're having problems is not you know my my 5s you know the [TS]

01:15:12   parcel fit right together with the weather having problems in the the [TS]

01:15:17   software and the little component interactions and the services like stuff [TS]

01:15:22   that like what do you think that's harder a related like even a 64 bit [TS]

01:15:25   transition like I know there was there is problems like going from 32 to 64 and [TS]

01:15:29   64 bit versions or buggy and stuff like that but I like you have to pay a [TS]

01:15:33   transit him sometime they wanted to be the first out of the gate I think [TS]

01:15:36   they've reaped benefits of being the first but that I don't think any other [TS]

01:15:40   silicon based transition has been particularly killer to them know I'm I'm [TS]

01:15:46   just saying that like that the idea that the that the iPhone hardware is on this [TS]

01:15:49   tick tock cadence I would say is mostly brought that it's it is very it is on [TS]

01:15:55   that to tuck in San only the like physical shell away but the parts inside [TS]

01:16:01   seemed to change just as rapidly with every version of the iPhone regardless [TS]

01:16:05   of what letters after its name [TS]

01:16:07   yeah I agree on that but I think the the physical shell part is a huge percentage [TS]

01:16:11   of the hardware product and so that's why I don't think you can dismiss it as [TS]

01:16:15   like just cosmetic surgery the visual thing because like when you think about [TS]

01:16:19   the physical hardware it's almost as if the silicon part is like might as well [TS]

01:16:22   be a separate thing like you have a certain allotted amount of space that [TS]

01:16:25   you have to fit in but really the product designers at the iPhone [TS]

01:16:28   designing a physical thing and by the way this little silicon sliver goes in [TS]

01:16:35   whatever the battery in a min I know I was not done that way whatever you look [TS]

01:16:40   at the parts inside their the phone is all everything else and then the actual [TS]

01:16:45   phone phone so I just see that is deprecated in that case has not so much [TS]

01:16:52   I think they did change everything every year from year to year they change like [TS]

01:16:57   who's going to sell us there are radio chip this year like forget about the [TS]

01:17:00   stuff you know who's gonna sell the display controller to see where the [TS]

01:17:03   battery control like from year to year just like whoever has the best chips but [TS]

01:17:07   the best specs are families do custom designs itself it just changes all the [TS]

01:17:10   time [TS]

01:17:11   on the phones and that hasn't been you know a particular source of problems I [TS]

01:17:16   think if it is we don't have an insight to know like this one phone had problems [TS]

01:17:21   because of some flaky chip and you didn't know about it but next year [TS]

01:17:24   manufacturing ironed out those problems I was working around this problem in [TS]

01:17:30   this budget said you didn't open to a lot of engineering effort for Apple iOS [TS]

01:17:34   10 people you know the mech lines change much more slowly in a much more [TS]

01:17:40   predictable way with you know going into the movie Intel chipsets benefits [TS]

01:17:45   available for them to go in to go into and I think the OS 10 cadence like [TS]

01:17:51   Apple's just chasing itself chasing its own tail or someone said like jason said [TS]

01:17:59   they're chasing iOS was like well that's just teasing yourself because they are I [TS]

01:18:02   can make the decision of how to move along with two things against each other [TS]

01:18:07   but I think that type of Katie's formalize the type of kid is formalized [TS]

01:18:11   in a reason you had to formalize it is like perception PR like a few formalize [TS]

01:18:14   it like intel the Intel formalized it too because they recognize that if you [TS]

01:18:19   just do this internally kind of sort of secretly then the marketing PR [TS]

01:18:23   organization still have to come up with some reason why everything is awesome [TS]

01:18:26   every single year whereas if you if you announce this is this is our new [TS]

01:18:29   strategy for the foreseeable future then only every other year you have to [TS]

01:18:34   impress everyone seems to all this is this is the year where they just make [TS]

01:18:38   stuff work better and that becomes a story in itself and people like that I [TS]

01:18:41   customers like it and you don't get the bad stories about well as WBC but I [TS]

01:18:45   didn't have any new features you just know this is a talker but never always [TS]

01:18:51   forget that every time you know it seems like it's always it's the opposite of [TS]

01:18:54   what you think like the tip I think the tickets the minor one yeah talking like [TS]

01:18:59   allowed one because it's I don't know those makes us tick tock cadence Apple [TS]

01:19:06   has has considered and sort of played around with in the past and continues to [TS]

01:19:12   play around with arguably be part of the hardware side [TS]

01:19:16   I think that has the best sort of you know the best features of any solution I [TS]

01:19:23   can think of in the city solution people they should be more careful new stuff [TS]

01:19:26   better like us on a solution right because because of the external effects [TS]

01:19:32   of this because it is a thing that you announced to the world and that [TS]

01:19:36   announcement frees up things inside your organization to act in a way that they [TS]

01:19:41   wouldn't be able to if you try to do it only has an internal you know I read [TS]

01:19:46   something earlier today that I thought was really fascinating for bunch of [TS]

01:19:50   reasons but it's relevant here on objective CIO they had an interview with [TS]

01:19:54   Andy to Shaq I'm so sorry for any way he used to work on you like it if memory [TS]

01:20:02   serves and they had an interview with him and the question that they asked was [TS]

01:20:08   what effect he thinks with will have on Apple's framework API's do you expect [TS]

01:20:11   something here in the short term and is the answer is very interesting and [TS]

01:20:15   relevant I don't actually have insider knowledge here so this is just [TS]

01:20:18   speculation but I think it will be a long process at least when I was there [TS]

01:20:23   the team spent the majority of their time not maintaining and improving [TS]

01:20:26   frameworks but really supporting market features like new screen sizes or [TS]

01:20:32   support for new hardware that's what takes most of the time so it will take a [TS]

01:20:37   conscious decision to do anything non trivial and I don't see that forthcoming [TS]

01:20:40   yet that actually that actually marriage will be heard when somebody who works on [TS]

01:20:46   my work written to us a couple of maybe a month or two ago now who wrote in [TS]

01:20:51   because we were talking about how we're talking reclaim my work and how like [TS]

01:20:54   there seems to be working on it for years and all the sudden get their act [TS]

01:20:57   together and this prisoner in basically said that's not the case that instead [TS]

01:21:02   the team is constantly working on it but that I work always has to show off the [TS]

01:21:07   latest and greatest OS features and directions of the company's sharing and [TS]

01:21:12   cloud platforms and everything and so they're constantly having to keep up [TS]

01:21:16   with the new marketing features and and the new directions of things like iCloud [TS]

01:21:21   instead of working on the core product functionality so it's actually very that [TS]

01:21:26   it sounds like this is possibly affecting many parts of apple and and [TS]

01:21:31   this is like their their market features are are moving so quickly and are so [TS]

01:21:35   aggressive that the rest of the engineering department is is maybe not [TS]

01:21:40   able to keep up with things like quality and long-term future maintenance is that [TS]

01:21:45   there are certainly sounds right to me one thing to give me hope here image [TS]

01:21:51   this on the talk shows will be quick but the lodges gonna be where Apple focuses [TS]

01:21:55   most of their PR for the next little while and you know we'll see how it goes [TS]

01:21:59   how long that lasts maybe the watch is going to be the primary focus of Apple's [TS]

01:22:05   of Apple's marketing for the next year or two or three I don't know but I think [TS]

01:22:10   that that might help take some of the marketing burden off of the other [TS]

01:22:13   products and so maybe by focusing so much on the launch and and first watch [TS]

01:22:19   kids stuff and then later on the native SDK in the second generation of the [TS]

01:22:22   watch hardware maybe that will be such the focus of the marketing that just [TS]

01:22:27   like the Mac was kind of playing second fiddle when the iPhone came out maybe [TS]

01:22:32   the watch will then make the iPhone and iPad and Mac now it'll give them like a [TS]

01:22:36   break for a little while from being in the spotlight and give them a chance to [TS]

01:22:39   stabilize the whole idea of like having to support new hardware factors are new [TS]

01:22:47   API's UAB as you have a little more control over you can just lay off the [TS]

01:22:50   mat but new hardware features that kind of gets back to what kind of company [TS]

01:22:54   Apple is they're trying to make trying to make entire products hardware and [TS]

01:23:00   software integrated and trying to improve both aspects of that and it it [TS]

01:23:05   seems like hardware like I wanna make a nicer phone or laptop like to make a [TS]

01:23:10   better product or whatever and that thing I was just talking about like [TS]

01:23:13   changing the chipset to use for your radios are the manufacturers for your [TS]

01:23:19   your power controller your display controller instead of just changed at [TS]

01:23:22   all the time because you want to get the one thats the best features the lowest [TS]

01:23:25   power the best contract deal for parts and all these other things that change [TS]

01:23:30   your year I can imagine what the time being spent [TS]

01:23:34   sporting that is why can't you guys just pick one manufacturer for like that [TS]

01:23:38   you know whatever i/o controller for for iOS devices and keep it for one or two [TS]

01:23:42   years in a row so that we can do something else or display controller [TS]

01:23:46   like that would make their lives easier but it would mean well but the new one [TS]

01:23:52   is slightly lower power and has this extra little feature and we can combine [TS]

01:23:56   these two things one chip and it's like if we don't do that if we try to make it [TS]

01:24:00   easier for the software guys by trying to make a stable like a more stable [TS]

01:24:02   platform kind of like being tailed you know motherboard Intel based motherboard [TS]

01:24:08   chipsets are a little bit more stable than the other guys will have a letter [TS]

01:24:12   from that then we will every year we have to be better better battery life [TS]

01:24:15   but everything like I think the screen size changes that is a big hassle for [TS]

01:24:20   them to do but part of that is like they're paying the price for their [TS]

01:24:23   experience in doing the original version of iOS like let's just get it working on [TS]

01:24:27   this one phone like they didn't do it and read it but was forced to do which [TS]

01:24:32   is let's make it let's try to make a generic framework for doing you I on [TS]

01:24:36   variable screen sizes and Apple it's like we're at the edge of what is even [TS]

01:24:41   possible just make it work on the original iPhone that is the mandate no [TS]

01:24:45   matter what you have to do and so they paid the price and they reap the [TS]

01:24:49   benefits of being the first person with the iPhone that no one else could think [TS]

01:24:52   was possible and then prices the engineering compromises you had you get [TS]

01:24:56   their menu long road ahead of you to be able to support a resolution is [TS]

01:25:00   arbitrary screen sizes like it so that how many years has it taken to get to [TS]

01:25:03   where we are now with multiple screen sizes in auto layout and all the scaling [TS]

01:25:07   and the high res screens like it was very much unlike OS 10 wherein the [TS]

01:25:12   beginning of August and they had this model of what the future of this place [TS]

01:25:16   is going to be like and the high-end hardware will be there to support it and [TS]

01:25:19   it was terrible and just like we just got a hold on for like six more years in [TS]

01:25:23   this crap will work right and even then they're doing you know do some fairly [TS]

01:25:28   large architectural changes to get stuff off the CPU and GPU so there's that you [TS]

01:25:34   know everything in engineering software engineering the tradeoff and I just [TS]

01:25:37   think what we see now and this whole idea of the UI get people spending the [TS]

01:25:41   time like treading water into market could use [TS]

01:25:43   is the result of Engineering tradeoffs made many many years earlier just kind [TS]

01:25:47   of coming home to roost now it makes sense [TS]

01:25:51   alright thanks a lot for three sponsors this week [TS]

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01:26:03   over they didn't even mean to be in accidental John [TS]

01:26:14   Casey [TS]

01:26:17   shown to be a team article [TS]

01:27:00   hundred episodes in the back so how about the Detroit Auto Show did anything [TS]

01:27:11   happen to the trade show other than the 40 D Dennis X never knew better and some [TS]

01:27:18   pictures it like what was new that we learned about the NSI news I'm asking [TS]

01:27:22   about the NSX twin-turbo v-6 we learn to get to know what we do know that already [TS]

01:27:28   I don't keep up with cuz I don't drive a Honda but I didn't I didn't know that I [TS]

01:27:35   didn't know for sure would be made engine although it's a safe assumption [TS]

01:27:38   in today's meeting engines you to know we've seen final pictures of the NSX for [TS]

01:27:44   like what seems like a year now if you look at the car ready to put in the [TS]

01:27:47   engine really see ya know if I'd like more or less the complete and aspects [TS]

01:27:54   like maybe with my counselor about like we've known what but the scars and look [TS]

01:27:58   like for a long time I guess I just don't follow honda's closely as you do [TS]

01:28:03   john why I don't follow it all but I do know it was like it was a year ago he [TS]

01:28:06   said this is the new OS X and they were still like drawings then you get to see [TS]

01:28:10   the one with the camouflage paint all over it and I guess now this is the [TS]

01:28:12   person receiving the woman like you know painted and presented the way to do that [TS]

01:28:17   but you know what I did like is on their interim video switch to my I looked a [TS]

01:28:26   hundred percent CGI good CGI but it looked like to me anyway it looked like [TS]

01:28:31   it was completely CGI on the bottom of this CGI video [TS]

01:28:38   NSX driving around it said professional driver closed doors and it was a [TS]

01:28:44   completely fabricated video or if it wasn't it was very poorly recorded [TS]

01:28:48   because it looked at and watch the video little kid playing with the toy old and [TS]

01:28:54   yeah [TS]

01:28:55   could be real to me I mean may be modified after the fact I just thought [TS]

01:29:00   that was funny new 4G T looks good [TS]

01:29:04   ivanisevic CDT makes me uncomfortable because I don't like the idea of driven [TS]

01:29:15   nostalgia Nostalgia of installing two-degree that has been practiced by [TS]

01:29:20   USR makers over the past likes a decade where they make like all make the new [TS]

01:29:24   Mustang and make it look like a modernized version of a particular model [TS]

01:29:30   which usually makes it look worse they all look good if you live in the South [TS]

01:29:35   but I agree with you that this whole idea is getting pretty pleased now feels [TS]

01:29:41   like it's okay to be inspired by cars of the past but you have to know what [TS]

01:29:45   inspired is like a style parody we're like a stopper like you're taking the [TS]

01:29:51   like the ford et you read example like the the previous ford et EDT for [TS]

01:29:55   anything right that like it's like the same freaking cars the old was just like [TS]

01:30:01   you know it up into modern like they're taking the same design is not inspired [TS]

01:30:05   by it the same design this new one is more different but still i mean we have [TS]

01:30:11   no car was I know someone right now is is riding an angry email that mentions [TS]

01:30:15   the word 911 right we understand 911 you know like Volkswagen Beetle for that [TS]

01:30:24   matter but like I feel like the 911 has come by that honestly I never moving [TS]

01:30:28   away from that the 911 is a Volkswagen Beetle you know but you know me like it [TS]

01:30:33   is it is not every year they just changed a little bit a little bit a [TS]

01:30:37   little bit yeah they all the same and it's all the same family resemblance but [TS]

01:30:41   it's not like like the Beatles great because the beetle was the beetle and [TS]

01:30:45   then there was a large gap of time they made the new beetle which was exactly [TS]

01:30:49   the same you know it's like let's make a modern version of the old be all right [TS]

01:30:53   and then they have the new version of that [TS]

01:30:55   the 911 every single revision was just like a little changed a little changed a [TS]

01:30:59   little changes just never drifted too far right I feel like that is more [TS]

01:31:02   honest than waiting for a huge gap of time and then making a new card looks [TS]

01:31:05   like an old don't like new cars that are modern versions of all cars already [TS]

01:31:10   entered the tournament a mix of like well this this grill is reminiscent of [TS]

01:31:14   the grill on the bubble blogs tales that is more appropriate don't just make me a [TS]

01:31:20   new version but I have said the new det moves farther away from the old ones [TS]

01:31:25   still kinda see the gt40 and all the press is under there I think I think [TS]

01:31:32   what is the pillar right behind the door the b-pillar [TS]

01:31:35   yes from the b-pillar to the front it looks almost identical but from the [TS]

01:31:41   people to the back looks totally different and the thing is it's a nice [TS]

01:31:44   looking car all versions that the original one [TS]

01:31:47   the gt40 from like a decade ago or whatever and the new crazy looking for [TS]

01:31:52   all you've got that backwards it's the GTE from a decade ago and the gt40 from [TS]

01:31:57   the sixties or seventies whatever was to you think these are good looking cars [TS]

01:32:01   but I thought we needed the revision when it was called the GI remember that [TS]

01:32:05   this is the one that Clarkson had that was from like the early two thousands [TS]

01:32:09   just called the details on that that's just the 4G T [TS]

01:32:12   the original one that started it all the sixties and seventies whatever it was [TS]

01:32:15   that was the gt40 I'm pretty sure about this these are hideous I think this is [TS]

01:32:20   the NSX is hideous [TS]

01:32:22   the new aspects of the new deal looks I think very nice and I think it's I think [TS]

01:32:28   the design of the open actually Aegis fairly well for a car that's designed it [TS]

01:32:32   was designed as long ago as it was you know I'm not excite me I was never a [TS]

01:32:37   huge anal sex person I never got into high-end cars back then so you know I [TS]

01:32:42   don't really have any nostalgia that way but late Jimmy btw is is at least like [TS]

01:32:47   continuing what it has been more easily the NSX like this car was gone for a [TS]

01:32:51   long time and now bring it back but it's like to me this is kind of like bring [TS]

01:32:55   about to check for a second please get me out of this terrible car [TS]

01:32:59   conversations these cards you care about but the it kinda like the new Star Wars [TS]

01:33:05   movie with early I am NOT excited about the new Star Wars movie because they [TS]

01:33:11   inherently because it is Star Wars make it can I get can I make some popcorn and [TS]

01:33:15   excited about the old Star Wars movies I like them I was never that obsession [TS]

01:33:20   them but I like them but to me like calling this an NSX and calling the new [TS]

01:33:25   Star Wars movie star wars is really just like it's like a licensing the name it's [TS]

01:33:31   it's a branding thing is not cause it's totally different people working on it [TS]

01:33:35   yes of course but the people who work on the new Mustang Mustang are you still [TS]

01:33:41   use the Mustang it's a franchise but every Mustang doesn't have to look like [TS]

01:33:44   a particular past models I'm not talking about appearance I'm talking more about [TS]

01:33:48   Lake spirit nudey so like making a new Star Wars movie today vs making a new [TS]

01:33:53   Star Wars movie in 50 years whenever in with the first one is dead is is it any [TS]

01:33:58   different really like it you're just taking the name I know but it's it's [TS]

01:34:04   it's been gone for long enough in the market moved on so many ways and I'm [TS]

01:34:08   sure the people of Honda have changed a little bit since then I I think it's [TS]

01:34:12   worth we're talking about brand names the city to wait the way that companies [TS]

01:34:17   lawyers aqua brand names as this as if they have some kind of like a major [TS]

01:34:21   significance with what the protocol actually be like and the fact is it just [TS]

01:34:24   a nameplate on this is just a nameplate on Star Wars it it doesn't matter [TS]

01:34:29   normally not there is no relation between the 911 today and then I like it [TS]

01:34:37   I love you keep calling it the Mustang keep calling it the Comerica point the [TS]

01:34:40   Corvette that's how car labels work is not an aberration right the m5 is an [TS]

01:34:45   abomination compared to the AM one that originally started the whole a moniker [TS]

01:34:50   or even just m5 compared and 5's greatest empire three generations ago if [TS]

01:34:54   I wanted to share just the m5 just waited like that's how economy works I [TS]

01:34:57   don't begrudge that at all what I complain about is when you make way for [TS]

01:35:00   the styling specifically when you pick a particular old car and you say make a [TS]

01:35:04   modern version of that way you don't even make selling cars purchased like [TS]

01:35:07   you know a complete facsimile in the Mustang is [TS]

01:35:11   and I think they've done a little to do jawed Dodge Charger like I don't like [TS]

01:35:15   that it's like it's like saying we can't figure out how we made it to the car [TS]

01:35:18   once in the sixties seventies we can't figure out how making good looking car [TS]

01:35:21   again so does make us a modern version of the car to be made it was [TS]

01:35:24   good-looking normally I told the group that is that is what it is and normally [TS]

01:35:31   I would say in this conversation [TS]

01:35:33   wow you know look at look at how ugly the American cars but honestly I cannot [TS]

01:35:38   imagine what accurate thinking with their starting over the last decade or [TS]

01:35:42   so either like two peas are both hit his car styling and I'm kind of disappointed [TS]

01:35:48   that there aren't more cues from the old Saxon the new like I don't think you [TS]

01:35:54   need to make a modernized version but just take some cues like the same way [TS]

01:35:57   the kidneys are cue thank you so much for the kidneys and BMW you don't say [TS]

01:36:01   because it looks as though I know BMW for two decades ago something like just [TS]

01:36:07   styling elements should be some commonalities thaliana for example the [TS]

01:36:13   modern Cadillac takes it too far when the current look like each other [TS]

01:36:16   exactly but the styling on this is so dominant in there so repeated every [TS]

01:36:20   where that is a sameness to the Nats Park although that cts-v what is at six [TS]

01:36:24   hundred and change horsepower speaking of ugly cars they've always been ugly [TS]

01:36:29   the ATS if you don't want that the fact that they look they look to have you [TS]

01:36:34   guys seen the new Lexus m3 know it's rough alexis has been rough I know but [TS]

01:36:40   like you know let's let's just a starting was always very comfortable if [TS]

01:36:44   you want to drive like an upscale marshmallow for old people and there's [TS]

01:36:47   there's purpose that's a perfectly valid marketed in very well there and it's [TS]

01:36:51   well deserved but they with their new like sport a flying or whatever it is [TS]

01:36:57   like they're trying to get in on the BMW territory about the sport sedans and oh [TS]

01:37:02   my god they're hideous in person I I hope you get a chance to see one [TS]

01:37:06   sometime soon [TS]

01:37:07   oh my goodness they they are rough the it [TS]

01:37:10   hit so so bad are you talking about I'm recognize that likes this mp3 [TS]

01:37:16   well known as Lexus answer to the m3 so I think it's the ISF it's one of the [TS]

01:37:20   it's like the F Sport version verdi RCF RCI the big game car I know it's a [TS]

01:37:26   sit-in its it might be the ISF [TS]

01:37:29   RCF yes you're right you're right it's the RCF now it used to be the ISF its [TS]

01:37:35   family is it heavy because all all the reviews I've read if it is just like him [TS]

01:37:41   too much weight you know I can't get out of its own way like it it's like a [TS]

01:37:44   really bad iteration of the GDR it is I'm talking about I'm seeing it and also [TS]

01:37:50   I believe I am I wrong today I think they also have added like F Sport trim [TS]

01:37:54   levels to a lot of other models that doesn't sound like anything I'm familiar [TS]

01:37:59   with it's it's it's the same thing and it was a BS in the BMW polls every every [TS]

01:38:04   luxury car makers should have this thing you know the AMG model or receive these [TS]

01:38:09   kids have to have the LG Mobile also the black men sport an M and BMW had to have [TS]

01:38:17   the AM in this paper we get them support and so like this is the same thing with [TS]

01:38:23   Infinity is taking too long to figure out what they're going to do I think [TS]

01:38:26   alexis y settling on the F out he has the IRS and the the the S S model and [TS]

01:38:33   then they then the IRS model so you do need these levels in this is like the [TS]

01:38:36   the thing the luxury car makers do these days I'm glad like this is found 1 I'm [TS]

01:38:40   said that whenever they had after their mouths that makes them did you also see [TS]

01:38:46   that BMW at a pretty big presence at CES actually yeah I was interesting but [TS]

01:38:50   showing off like you know not only there like their version of car but also their [TS]

01:38:55   gesture interface their back seat Samsung tablets and all sorts of weird [TS]

01:38:59   stuff at what what annoys me most about their about what they showed off their [TS]

01:39:03   is that almost none of it is anything I would actually want and much of it I [TS]

01:39:07   think was a step backwards like the the the big lake that the key fob with the [TS]

01:39:12   screen on it but extremely thank you thank god that will always be like $1000 [TS]

01:39:18   option [TS]

01:39:19   as I'm never buying that option because like the last thing you want is your key [TS]

01:39:24   fob to get bigger and it there already so big with their already so chunky in [TS]

01:39:28   your pocket if you don't have to look at it in there I was gonna look at it you [TS]

01:39:31   won't be able to do it in your pocket just like this I need to do with it all [TS]

01:39:35   communication be anybody gonna open the trunk seal the region and press the [TS]

01:39:38   little things that attract you shouldn't have to look at the screen and why would [TS]

01:39:42   you want your key fob to have another battery draining feature on it that's a [TS]

01:39:45   terrible idea it's just so many bad ideas about that you'll be able to get a [TS]

01:39:49   new battery for you get the battery replaces dealer over $700 John Woo's the [TS]

01:39:55   name of the memory stick for the Dreamcast that had a little display on [TS]

01:39:59   it VMU visual memory unit yeah yeah that's what it reminds me of a screen [TS]

01:40:04   yeah well that's true the BMU had like one of those god-awful awake original [TS]

01:40:08   GameBoy style screens but unfortunately that benefit from being somewhat more of [TS]

01:40:12   them that's also true but we are denied just thought it was interesting seeing [TS]

01:40:18   that BMW took CSO seriously I don't I still don't totally understand why [TS]

01:40:22   shouldn't even say totally I still don't understand the laser headlights I don't [TS]

01:40:26   i mean i i read that they're more directional so they can leave a gap for [TS]

01:40:32   like people in other cars on the road there lasers Casey what more do you need [TS]

01:40:36   to know many LEDs are cool enough any more like a diva once market do you find [TS]

01:40:43   out that it's possible to use lasers for life like that I don't care what it [TS]

01:40:46   takes I don't care if they're worse in every possible way [TS]

01:40:49   laser light that strip but I did see also that they have a LED taillamps now [TS]

01:40:56   or they're they're trying them which I thought was very peculiar like I'm not [TS]

01:41:01   really sure why one would want that but I'm sure there's a good reason I'm not [TS]

01:41:06   think enough to make them and therefore more light out but maybe an hour to [TS]

01:41:10   their little power but I think it's a big deal for bragging rights but yeah i [TS]

01:41:15   know im looking to the NSIC it's not too terrible like that that has the problem [TS]

01:41:20   that I have had a cheese grater knows [TS]

01:41:25   at the beach from from the head on right and I think a lot of cars have a little [TS]

01:41:32   bit of a nose problem lately too but it's fairly restrained like the [TS]

01:41:37   headlights aren't bad little scoop some insider ok the back as we think this is [TS]

01:41:41   restricted yeah compared to compared to the compared to the new 4G team looks [TS]

01:41:46   like well yeah it's ridiculous or even just the Corvette but compared to good [TS]

01:41:51   taste none of these are good examples including the new Corvette by the way it [TS]

01:41:56   looks like a writer as a yes I know when I read everything on her bed [TS]

01:42:01   the new Corvette is argumentative writing the new Corvette is by far the [TS]

01:42:05   best looking one on the back of a Corvette is worse than the back of all [TS]

01:42:08   these cars that's probably true [TS]

01:42:10   everything went into parking lot of terrible it's like it's like a unibrow [TS]

01:42:15   just ugly [TS]

01:42:20   taxes it's like I just because it's a little bit puffy and there's not enough [TS]

01:42:25   of the old as the GTE is like empty and fissures in the previous beauty which [TS]

01:42:33   was a pumped up version of the original duty and none of these cars look as nice [TS]

01:42:37   as anything except for the driving the Ferrari Ferrari [TS]

01:42:44   though the one with four-wheel drive that looks like a shoe is not the FAF [TS]

01:42:47   yea thats four-wheel-drive was weird that she see how that worked we talked [TS]

01:42:51   about that at some point yeah it is weird didn't it suck it suck I don't [TS]

01:42:56   know what do you think anyone's ever driven in the snow yet nobody it basic [TS]

01:43:01   tenets have like a second drive shaft coming up the front of the motor [TS]

01:43:04   something along those lines [TS]

01:43:05   really weird layout yeah that one even that one if you look at the back of a [TS]

01:43:11   car in the front of the front of the car is much nicer but I think they're making [TS]

01:43:15   me hate like a regular shape version of eighty-nine like hatchback or whatever [TS]

01:43:21   you want to call the thing so it's basically a so you gonna have to 12 so [TS]

01:43:24   under fire engine for Ari's why different well this one is for a drive [TS]

01:43:29   and used to be really [TS]

01:43:30   version if you like [TS]