0:00:00it so you want to some follow-up we can start with handwriting recognition which
0:00:12I'm assuming is more of John's follow-up yeah I don't know why none of us thought
0:00:17of this fairly because for all westerners the one thing we didn't talk
0:00:21about with iPads and styluses or style I is that handwriting recognition is good
0:00:29text input with a with a pen is good for people who don't write with fuhrman
0:00:34characters who have tons and tons of characters Chinese Japanese span the
0:00:38button to those with the keyboard because I had this crazy multi-level
0:00:41keyboards but you you know that one kidnap another time another work your
0:00:46way down to the actual character you want to combine multiple task to make
0:00:49one thing where these people know how to draw up with you just gave him a penny
0:00:52so you can recognize that it's actually way more convenient to trying to use a
0:00:56keyboard so that I mean I don't know if that's harder or easier than recognizing
0:01:01harder than recognizing you know regular room characters that we have but it's
0:01:07definitely if you can get it to work it's definitely more convenient for the
0:01:11person in putting the characters than hunting through some crazy keyboard yeah
0:01:15absolutely I will say that
0:01:18friend a friend of mine will hands he had shown me he lives in tokyo despite
0:01:24having grown up in Australia and he has shown me the Japanese keyboard I'm sure
0:01:29there's like a name poorly kanji or something like that that's probably
0:01:31wrong tool but anyway he showed me the Japanese keyboard which involves your
0:01:34drawing these little characters on the bottom of the screen very much like the
0:01:39palm was way back in the day and as someone who has never seen it before it
0:01:44was amazing it was extremely cool and i could see how having a styles make it
0:01:47that much better spent on the chat rooms telling us that
0:01:52very few people right with characters these days most most of the young people
0:01:55because everything is digital just deal with the crappy and systems so it could
0:02:00be that everyone gets over this and they forget how to write their traditional
0:02:03characters I don't know I mean like we've been getting on the people on the
0:02:07forums have been getting along without this for a long time with these these
0:02:10various acts of keyboards that hierarchies to them are proceeding like
0:02:14systems for you do a series of strokes to sort of narrow down and you know
0:02:17that's kind of like auto complete for individual characters which represented
0:02:20tire wear their ideas so we may be are already be passed as ronald was worried
0:02:30someone from the Far East to come on the program and tell us whether you like but
0:02:34it's hard to say how to talk about this later when we talk about Apple's
0:02:38earnings how things playing countries other than the United States and what
0:02:41those markets really want and it's very difficult to tell how much of what Apple
0:02:46does is influenced by people and cultures that we know nothing about yeah
0:02:51absolutely I as a quick aside Marco tips car has the eye Dr handwriting
0:02:57recognition is that correct it does yes do you use than ever I tried it I think
0:03:02once and I and it was it was really worth it because it was it was actually
0:03:07slower than just using the wheel around picking letters yet another character in
0:03:111908 the character anyway and it recognizes it and just be cut because of
0:03:17the the leg and hearing those steps it just wasn't really any faster than using
0:03:22the wheel so I just use the wheel now when I drove her car off I mean it's not
0:03:27a one-to-one comparison but it was the closest that I can think of off the top
0:03:32of my head you could possibly argue it's better for safety that you're not
0:03:35looking at the screen as much in practice that's not true in practice it
0:03:38is just as distracting as using the wheel and you start to look at the
0:03:41screen just as much so I just tried to enter navigation directions while in
0:03:46moving that seems like the smartest approach yeah right so we had a very
0:03:50interesting email from Matt Chandler and I really wanted to talk about this and
0:03:55then I thought well maybe that's mean of me and then someone else who was not
0:04:00mean I'm guessing is not Marco added it to the show no
0:04:03his wife margot should look at the shadows before this question is directed
0:04:08damn oh you picked out this one oh boy ok so from Matt Chandler I listened to
0:04:16Marco on the talk show the episode now it's all floppy where he discussed how
0:04:20Apple's feedback system is quote extremely hostile quote because among
0:04:24other reasons you get no feedback a response from Apple when you file a
0:04:27radar I was surprised by this is some of my friends and I have filed bug reports
0:04:30were overcast both your twitter twitter an email and have never received
0:04:34feedback any feedback no formal response tweet or favourite on Twitter this
0:04:39didn't bother me as I didn't expect a response but I wondered why Marco called
0:04:42this behavior by Apple extremely hostile while he takes the same approach with
0:04:46overcast es overcast smaller but it certainly received much less feedback as
0:04:50well thanks to the great show and market thanks to the great work on a protest I
0:04:54can answer this one of you want the reason I'm here is not because
0:04:57necessarily about Marco had to answer but I feel like anybody answer Casey do
0:05:00you wanna answer Marco I know can answer and I can answer it can anyone in the
0:05:04audience not answer this I mean I'd I'll be curious to hear both of your answers
0:05:11to me it seems pretty obvious that even in operation the size of overcast if if
0:05:18one were to acknowledge every single bug requested report and feature requests
0:05:23that that would be a tremendous mountain of just thanks and ok and I got it and
0:05:30do and its letters and I just I can see why Marco wouldn't want to do that but
0:05:36mark but the difference is Marcos business isn't already feel like this
0:05:41week argument but Marquez businesses in to make other people's bug reports his
0:05:47job where is when when you're providing developer tools that kind of is your job
0:05:53John what was your answer john hasn't well I think Matt Chandler knows the
0:05:57answer to yes overcast smaller you think that a little bit slower than Apple may
0:06:02be a little bit smaller than a bond that share more we have checked Marcos
0:06:04earnings for this year to see if their old in eighteen billion dollars in
0:06:09profit this quarter and sank you double check I didn't quite hit that target yes
0:06:14overcast a smaller but it certainly seems much less feedback about exactly
0:06:18it is smaller and proportionately receives I see how much smaller than
0:06:22Apple is overcast and what proportion of this thing you know so that's one thing
0:06:27I was recognized one person he would spend all day all this time to stand
0:06:31apart in the second case already covered it is not a platform is not publishing
0:06:36API is for people to write code against Turkey has no developers there is no
0:06:40overcast Developer Program there's no Marco Arment developer program you know
0:06:44people are not paying for a membership to a thing to be supported you're merely
0:06:48customers sending a report now all that said that's not to say that he shouldn't
0:06:53give responses or responses personal responses or whatever to the degree that
0:06:58he feels like he can do sort of the dangle jacket I give you amazing
0:07:02exceptional customer support he should by all means that is a good thing to do
0:07:06that but on the list of priorities responding to every single bug report
0:07:11and giving it acknowledged that it was received
0:07:15are probably pretty low for a one-person shop that's doing all the stuff that
0:07:19Marco is doing so i don't i don't say it like he shouldn't send responsible
0:07:25shouldn't expect one but the explanation for why there was no response and why he
0:07:30might say it's extremely hospital for Apple tonight send response is fairly
0:07:33clear its hostile for Apple because Apple does not have any constraints that
0:07:38would make it have to be such a big black hole
0:07:40we know that mean look at a preview their hiring people to look at every
0:07:45single these
0:07:47Gillian apps that come in if Apple want to do this and it and it is a priority
0:07:51to have more than enough money and resources and expertise to do this so
0:07:57that's why it's hot sale for Apple because from a political choices like
0:08:01prioritization of something that we think should be much more important
0:08:03doubtful that it is and we know they have the resources doin Marcus case you
0:08:07could still be angry at him because he got exceptional support but they're
0:08:10one-person operation because they value support more than he does but if Marco
0:08:13shifts to to do support differently he's got to pull from someplace else so what
0:08:18other part of marcos business do you think he should sacrifice to make sure
0:08:21that everybody is that the bug report gets a reply
0:08:24you know that's the user tradeoffs that he makes and you can argue whether the
0:08:28right tradeoffs whether you like that kind of company but I don't think you
0:08:31should be confused about why Marco can call Apple extremely hostile for doing
0:08:36the same thing he does because he's not happen they're so different than
0:08:39different standards apply to Marco this is gonna be possible controversial not
0:08:47that I should be that surprised or anybody who knows me by surprise by me
0:08:51producing something about to say with that there should be good wait let me go
0:08:56make some popcorn hold that thought the the sad truth is that it is not worth
0:09:02answering your email
0:09:04you at you plural not like you know you this guy you everybody in general on
0:09:09average it is not worth insuring your email let me go into why that is I don't
0:09:14say this to be a jerk I'm saying this literally as like it just simple time
0:09:20constraints and economics so so here's how this works this morning so usually I
0:09:26go to the overcast feedback email in the evening or or like before bed on the
0:09:33iPad along with you a lot there because I respond to almost none of it really
0:09:39almost none I respond two maybe three or four emails a day from that account
0:09:44since last night when I last cleared out I've received two hundred and seven and
0:09:50they're still three more hours today before I got a bit I expect to receive
0:09:54may be tuned and 2,250 we'll see what happens
0:09:57that's that's pretty pretty typical most as ever I receive between 60 and 200 I'm
0:10:02going to mourn out there is there some stink bugs I'm trying to squash when you
0:10:06buy my amp so i'm i'm a one-person company I blogged about how much I made
0:10:10it was like a hundred and sixty thousand before expenses and taxes and all that
0:10:14stuff last year so you know that's really what I make it it's like it's one
0:10:18developers good salary it's not stunningly great it's just a good
0:10:22developer salary for the level experience I have that's not so much
0:10:26that would make a lot of financial sense for me to hire a support person for
0:10:31instance like you know and and I tried I have tried outsourced support services
0:10:35in the past I've had very mixed results with them and I question whether that
0:10:41whether that was money well spent at all
0:10:44I could also attempt to answer more emails by using text expander to make
0:10:50make my few like form answers and just send those to everybody and I did that
0:10:53for the first couple of months of overcast and I question whether that's
0:10:57better than not answering them at all because and and I should point out that
0:11:02they had a similar conversation as a few months back
0:11:05is is it something that you're pretty sure he is like a forum responsive
0:11:10template response is that actually better than no response at all it is is
0:11:15a response that is clearly insincere and I didn't put all the time into is that
0:11:19really a good thing like it that's that's a pretty bad as well
0:11:24the simple fact is when you get two hundred support emails a day and you're
0:11:29one person and you know my job is not answering email my job is making the
0:11:33product making it work for everybody and responding to emails supporting this is
0:11:38email in general
0:11:39responding to email is one of the least time efficient things you can do it
0:11:44really like and of course invariably why you respond you know who you responding
0:11:48to and for what
0:11:49but in general responding to email is is an extremely inefficient use of limited
0:11:56time because you are taking your time to produce something that's only ever gonna
0:12:02go to one person whereas if you like if I spent that time instead fixing the
0:12:07bugs that everyone's complaining about them than to fix for everyone and and or
0:12:13you know or if I can make the product better in some way for everyone that's
0:12:17how that's way better use of that time then responding to every email
0:12:21one-by-one saying thanks reporting looking into it or things on that to fix
0:12:24the state's the next version of the universe is pending approval like it's
0:12:28so it's such a better use of time in an ideal world you have time to do both I
0:12:33recognize that but this is not an ideal world this is reality and reality when
0:12:37you're when you have an app that is free up front and at the most you can ever
0:12:41hope to make from somebody is $3.50 before tax it's really hard to justify
0:12:46spending a ton of time
0:12:49on answering individual emails and I knew that going into it and you
0:12:53therefore Instapaper so the entire app is designed in such a way that it sets
0:12:59expectations accordingly you'll notice in the app nowhere does it say support
0:13:05it only says feedback and on the feedback link first before lets you
0:13:11email it it shows you a page with an FAQ and known bugs and what's being fixed in
0:13:15this version with it so to speak to try to address what you're about to tell me
0:13:20so maybe don't tell me maybe you can help yourself maybe you can save
0:13:24yourself the time sending that email certainly is the time to read it or
0:13:27insert and its and it says right there I will read every email which by the way
0:13:34even that takes a lot more tonight that I would have expected when I wrote that
0:13:39I read every email and I sailor every man but I also say I just one person
0:13:45with limited time and so I cannot guarantee response and the results that
0:13:52is I respond to most of them it because I literally don't have the time I would
0:13:57so much rather spend that time fixing the bugs and making the appt better for
0:14:02everyone then responding to one person and I know that sounds corny I know that
0:14:06sounds harsh but that's the reality that's like what you're paying so little
0:14:11for apps that's kind of part of it that kinda had what you have to expect from
0:14:15that like that's all involved in this and so the reason I don't answer my
0:14:21email most of the time is because it's not because I'm a jerk as at least in my
0:14:26opinion and you can make your own evaluation of that it's not because I'm
0:14:29trying to be a jerk it's because it is really I decided it really is just an
0:14:34incredibly bad use of time and I know it's not going to please everybody but I
0:14:39think it will please the most people overall for me to be doing things that
0:14:43make you a better for everyone
0:14:44rather than spending three hours a day answering him oh I don't remember if
0:14:49I've ever told the story publicly but I feel like I have I have a couple of
0:14:55thoughts first I remember vividly that I
0:14:59when we you and I kind of got reacquainted so to speak as we were old
0:15:04friends kinda fell out of touch not an angry way just fell out of touch and
0:15:07then we were starting to get back in touch and I would send emails to
0:15:11periodically and this was when number was really starting to take off and
0:15:15Marco Arment was starting to become like a thing more than it was just a person
0:15:20and I would send you emails Marco and I would never get a reply or I would get a
0:15:25reply
0:15:26really really late I remember one time and I were on our way to New York when
0:15:30this was when you ended up visiting you at we were on our way to New York to
0:15:34visit and I think I tweeted about it or something like that and you were like
0:15:37wait you're on your way to New York and I said yes I emailed you about that like
0:15:41two months ago you said you did God didn't annoy me so much at the time but
0:15:47then fast forward a few years and suddenly I'm on a podcast and weekend
0:15:54email oh did we get email in fact we even got an email about how we tell
0:15:59people not to send us email which actually made some really good points
0:16:04but I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of it but anyway in so I don't
0:16:11know how to explain it other than however email however much email that
0:16:16you the listener gets there's a decent chance that those of us on the show
0:16:22get more than that and marco gets more than that still and the other thought I
0:16:26had is how many shows across how many podcasts have talked about how email is
0:16:33such a problem there was that wonderful episode of hello internet I think Mike
0:16:37and I have talked about this on analog God knows that Merlin has talked about
0:16:40this constantly and and for good reason
0:16:44the reason everyone complains and moans about email is because email is kind of
0:16:50an inherently selfish thing that nobody really deliberately signs up for it it
0:16:55just kind of happens to them and and so how you deal with that you know you do
0:17:02the best you can and that's when Marcos doing yeah that's that's really it like
0:17:06again I'm not trying to be a jerk by not responding to most of the email I get
0:17:10it's like it's almost like a defense mechanism I have to defend the night
0:17:15time attention because if I did respond all that email all these bug fixes and
0:17:20improvements and things I'm making would all take longer to come out and I
0:17:25wouldn't be able to do as much you could spend their entire day just an email
0:17:30because remember that email once you respond now you're engaging with that
0:17:33person and Mike from that person's perspective assist them and you want
0:17:36from your perspective you're holding now 200 simultaneous conversations
0:17:40maintaining state in each of those conversations remember who that person
0:17:43is a mother said previously imagined you know you gonna do 200 emails support
0:17:48emails today if you responded all two hundred 200 send a response back then
0:17:52the tomorrow starting you know two hundred and you start responding to the
0:17:55like you will spend 100% of your time conversing over email for a with people
0:18:00who have problems with your $5 application right and you were just one
0:18:05person and chat rooms I'm describing a CRM says yes when you have a staff of
0:18:09people you can do that but for a small business there's one person doing all
0:18:14the work if that one person said I really need to support my customers
0:18:19that's all that one person would ever do they were never fix a bug never write a
0:18:24new version for program never create a program never do anything else never do
0:18:27a podcast never have any sort of extracurricular activities they were
0:18:30just spend all their waking hours conversing with individuals over email
0:18:33about the problems they're having with their application and never have any
0:18:36time to investigate and so it may be to say well you should expand your company
0:18:40should have one person company or whatever but like the Georgian this
0:18:43question is about hypocrisy of how can you say so angry about Apple doing
0:18:47something that you yourself do different context that the conditions are entirely
0:18:53different therefore the conclusions are absolutely and and the input that the
0:18:57email gives me is very valuable like the by by the emails alone the emails can
0:19:04help me decide if I have a few big feature that I wanna do next
0:19:08the emails decide what comes first
0:19:10and decide things like for example I've mentioned it a couple times my big
0:19:15feature plan over this winter was to do streaming and I started screaming a
0:19:20little bit last fall and I haven't worked on it since for two reasons
0:19:24number one is that they're just keeps the keeping other things that keep
0:19:26coming up
0:19:27bug fixes sync issues watch get the fight that but the number two is that by
0:19:33reading the email and by reading all the tweets which is even more even more big
0:19:37stuff coming in that way I can see very clearly that streaming is not what I
0:19:44should be doing next what I need to be doing next
0:19:46which is what I am doing next is auto delete control there right now the actor
0:19:52that's how I listened and I don't care like once I'm done with it and everyone
0:19:56here again like that's it I'm done and I thought that's how the app could always
0:20:00work to keep things very simple with like the different states an episode can
0:20:04be in and things like that a lot of things very simple that is by far and
0:20:08away the number one request the number one complaint and the number one reason
0:20:12people choose not to use my app is I don't have that control the finer
0:20:16control over over whether something get deleted or not and when it gets deleted
0:20:19by far that's way more important than streaming based on what people are
0:20:24telling me what they've been telling you for months and so you know I wouldn't
0:20:28have known that had it not been for the email at the same time I get I would say
0:20:33literally 40 emails a day about the head for a while and all them it took hours
0:20:40it takes longer just to read them even that like and I said I read all my email
0:20:45I'm not necessarily sure that will be the case you see a future in which I say
0:20:51I can't even keep up with the reading at all anymore but even that like reading
0:20:56it takes probably probably order of magnitude less time than responding to
0:21:02it and even that's hard to keep up with that's how much you talking about
0:21:08that's something that's a little more positive than how much he held the Hawks
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0:24:30songs she know you should I looked at my phone on the mobile side a little tape
0:24:35player thing and little music players embedded in and they are absolutely
0:24:38crazy good crazy it reminded me of something that John Roderick would make
0:24:43because you know they both have the same similar kind of boys to belittle beardy
0:24:46and how does how does one sound basis up there there's a song called
0:24:54just because he talks over though in this music I listen to them and tell me
0:24:59if you don't picture anyway its opportunity you should go do it spends
0:25:04the money well so we had another piece of feedback from Alberto and John would
0:25:12you like to talk about this this is a question we get lots of questions in the
0:25:17same vein most of the questions are like I'm just starting out in field acts and
0:25:22you people have some experience GLX how do I get started so on and so forth this
0:25:26is a little bit of indirectly related to some Albertos he says listen to episode
0:25:31101 about how Marco just quote when 10 learned unquote a new computer language
0:25:37and he was wondering how you go about learning something so complex so complex
0:25:41by yourself in a short time to just sit there was a text book and start reading
0:25:44the open up appalling try and see what's what he wants to expand his very simple
0:25:50programming skills in any tips you will give will help this whole vein of
0:25:54feedback where people want advice on how to get better at them something they
0:25:59think we know how to do better than they currently know how is always very
0:26:03difficult people always ask me recommendations of things to do our
0:26:07books to read and I wish I had to go to answer them but I don't but for this
0:26:11specific answer Marco answered I think there is an exploration of how marco was
0:26:16able to pick up go in such a short period of time where can i interject
0:26:20before that happens we get this notice I didn't wait for your answer we get to
0:26:24his question constantly we get this question how what should I look I want
0:26:29to learn to program where should I start or alternatively I'm about to start iOS
0:26:33development should I learned swifter Objective C and we get this question so
0:26:38darn often that I actually wrote a very short blog post about it and it's only a
0:26:42couple paragraphs will put it in the show notes but suffice it to say I think
0:26:46the key phrase that blog post which conveniently is in bold is find a
0:26:51problem to solve and then solve it using the most appropriate tools and that's
0:26:56really all comes down to as far as I'm concerned and I think the market is
0:26:59about to tell you that that's kind of the path that he followed when learning
0:27:02go
0:27:04yeah that's that's pretty much it so I mean first of all if you only know one
0:27:09language and if you're new to programming or if you don't know any
0:27:11programming languages yet this sounds like a bigger deal than it really is
0:27:15once you know a lot like when when you've been programming for long enough
0:27:19you start realizing specially if you're exposed to other languages you start
0:27:22realizing that there there are a lot more similar than you think there's a
0:27:25lot of overlap usually that the differences are really relatively minor
0:27:30and come down to like minor syntax details and then the available
0:27:34libraries were built in the language of the devil for it so the names of things
0:27:38you're calling might be different the symbols that you're using for certain
0:27:41things might be different but you're kinda doing the same kinds of things are
0:27:44at least a lot of overlap of the concepts carry-over and so learning a
0:27:48new language really is it's it's it's nothing like winning a human language I
0:27:55mean I know they have similar concepts to but there's a lot there's a much
0:27:58higher learning curve for like human spoken languages there more keywords
0:28:02yeah they're a lot more complex like going between programming languages is a
0:28:08lot simpler than it sounds
0:28:10if you if you're on a programmer or if you're new at it you know it sounds like
0:28:13a lot but it's really not and then and yet the way I learned a ton of everyone
0:28:20does this by the way I learned is basically I have a problem that they
0:28:24need to solve in a language that then I that I that both the language as well
0:28:27suited for and that I'm very motivated to do so you know when the App Store
0:28:32came out just to see and I learned that the frameworks around cocoa and and you
0:28:36like it because I really want to make the Instapaper iOS app and that's that
0:28:41was going to do it so I did it and I guess about the room and what that looks
0:28:46like something would go like I I figured out I had his problems and you mean
0:28:49before I tried no I didn't know the exact same keep his place just a little
0:28:53bit more new JavaScript somewhat but I had this problem that that my existing
0:28:59tool kit was not very well suited to solve and I knew that many other
0:29:04languages would've been WAY better at it as we discussed in the show I'd heard
0:29:07good things about these why I picked them and I just started plowing through
0:29:12so go go has a pretty good online tutorial bolanger org
0:29:17a programming tutorial and actually the problem that I was solving of like
0:29:23basically being being a feed crawler one of their examples on their site is a web
0:29:29crawler that's so it acts and so my my designer that it is actually based on
0:29:35its not very long it was pretty to base on but a lot of a lot of the concepts of
0:29:39like how do I make it like you know print status every second to the log
0:29:43file and stuff like that I know how do I track what it's doing it like imagine
0:29:48the concurrency aspect and all that stuff that all came from that example
0:29:51for you know I built on that I made up my own but honestly in general the way
0:29:58to start a new language if we said before is really just have a project
0:30:01that you're motivated to do it you know if you if you if you just say I want to
0:30:06make an iPhone app just in general and you don't really know what you don't
0:30:08have a specific in mind you wanna make it happen because you heard making it
0:30:12makes money thing that's going to be hard to get into it it's much easier if
0:30:17you have a specific idea of something that you really want to see something
0:30:20that you really want to make that's way easier to start with that because then
0:30:24you're motivated to basically just start just plow through it that relate and
0:30:29Nash that's exactly how I do it I didn't read a book I just plant there now you
0:30:33know when I used to a language I used to read books like when I was in high
0:30:36school and college now there's so many great resources on the Internet
0:30:40there's a there's tutorials online there's no there's there's places like
0:30:44her second sponsor lynda.com which I'll get to in a sec it because there's also
0:30:50some online documentation there's there's walkers and there's a so much
0:30:56available online that stack overflow has been amazingly helpful in this regard
0:31:02there's just so much about online now that you can just can't start just like
0:31:06start plowing through early start with a tutorial and just start building it into
0:31:11what you wanted to be and that's and you'll you'll pick up a lot along that
0:31:16path like you learn as you go
0:31:18you can do it or you can read a book I've never found it very helpful but a
0:31:22lot of people do it just learned but in general the way to learn is to just
0:31:27start plowing through the only a lad is that the specific question of how we go
0:31:33about learning something so complex in short amount of time both of us have
0:31:37been programming for a living for a long time now and that the way we do it in
0:31:42such a short time is as Marco said we recognize the similarities between
0:31:46programming languages and so we have a leg up on someone who's like programming
0:31:50what's that you know we don't have to relearn the concepts of you know what's
0:31:56a variable what the loop the conditional like stuff like that we don't have to
0:32:00relearn anything about it functions or you know now that we all know something
0:32:06like blocks or whatever the closures and we don't have to relearn those concepts
0:32:10just how are those concepts implemented in this particular language if you're
0:32:13starting from zero you will have to you will somehow have to learn these basic
0:32:18concepts right but your second language will be able to learn quicker than your
0:32:22first and third language we have ever learn even quicker so that's how they
0:32:26not like a technique of how do we go about learning something complex it's
0:32:30because we are no a bunch of similar things so it's very fast right to pick
0:32:34up something but Casey will talk about it like alright well assume you could
0:32:38pick up the language it's still not gonna stick on our brains of this we use
0:32:41it to actually solve a problem because it'll just be like I mean I don't know
0:32:45about you but I like I can read entire book on a language which I've done in
0:32:49the past but if I don't use it to write a program of any significance that just
0:32:52leaves my brain and it's like yeah I can recognize it when I see it and he remind
0:32:56me I'll be like oh yeah but it doesn't stick unless you use it so you know
0:33:01what's the trick the trick is to be a programmer for ten to twenty years first
0:33:05thing you'll be able to pick up new languages fairly quickly unless it's
0:33:07really weird language and you don't know the concepts like we tried to learn
0:33:10something like I probably don't know a lot of the concepts that are involved in
0:33:13Haskell so my first job there would be like I can't just pick up because I have
0:33:16no analog scientific concepts that are not in a language that I know are in
0:33:21Haskell early or something and then when they get a concept then becomes yet
0:33:27entirely true and and kinda billion what you were saying oh reads say and as
0:33:31hipster and as of late and as hipsters been entirely in swift and I've barely
0:33:37written any swift in my life but I can still read it reasonably well because I
0:33:44can pick out bits and pieces that remind me of other languages in kind of what
0:33:50what this stuff is doing so I can look at it I can look at it and say oh that
0:33:53looks like JavaScript that's probably what they're doing there are 0 that
0:33:57looks a lot like C sharp I know exactly what's going on here in of course that
0:34:02looks like Objective C
0:34:03well I know what that means and so you can take this really nice and broad
0:34:11foundation especially as you get more and more experienced and apply that to
0:34:15all these other things and you can do it quicker and quicker with time what else
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0:37:25once again so Apple made a little bit of money last quarter I i'm shocked I know
0:37:31I thought they were on the ropes I thought that Apple was doomed but
0:37:36seemingly not yes Apple made a metric ton of money is I believe the official
0:37:42measurement that I have been quoted I I don't even know
0:37:46what to say about this it's a tremendous amount of money and in Apple is doing
0:37:52really really well and I don't know what to make of it its even as someone who is
0:37:58very near to the Apple ecosystem as we talked about very recently in fact it's
0:38:04odd for me to see Apple doing this well like what what's not going well
0:38:10financially for them these days anything i mean even even a a tiny part of
0:38:18Apple's business like the iPod business for instance even that is doing
0:38:22amazingly relative to many other companies had heard the people mentioned
0:38:28the amount of money they lost due to currency fluctuations this quarter was
0:38:34like Google's and higher quarterly profit that like they just making any
0:38:41money I mean honestly I don't think it's that interesting from the money
0:38:43perspective I think what's what's more interesting and even even then only
0:38:47mildly what's more interesting is looking at the trends of like how well
0:38:52things like the iPhones and iPads are selling how do what what is the growth
0:38:56curve look like you are they are accelerating and I think what we're
0:38:59seeing right now we're seeing that the iPhone 66 + for just massive hits and I
0:39:07think we all kind of knew that already but its to see it to see it like you
0:39:11know officially recorded in you know in the totals here is really something to
0:39:16see you like they have made and they have made very strong inroads into other
0:39:21markets Asia and the NL to into the Android Market with the iPhone six and
0:39:27six plus I think its financial stories are mostly interesting in the way they
0:39:35sort of
0:39:37highlight Apple's impotence not that that's the main story the main story we
0:39:43hear the main stories like to make a lot of money than everyone you know chatter
0:39:47and it makes a lot of the stock and all this thought they were going to sell
0:39:51things that make me look at the trends our the max 2012 unlike I think I've
0:39:55seen all those stories and there have been some good ones about that but when
0:40:00I always think about when two things one company's unhappily any company has
0:40:05these big earning one as the old cat mofo that success Heights problems and
0:40:11so when you see massive success you think boy that much success can hide a
0:40:15hell of a problem if you can have just dinosaur size problems eighteen billion
0:40:22dollars like what kind of problem could eighteen billion dollars not high right
0:40:25and so that's what I think about it the second thing is the frustration of it's
0:40:30kind of like in the same city of those sort of like simulation games with an
0:40:35economy where eventually you break the game and you essentially have unlimited
0:40:40funds right and yet there are things even with unlimited funds there are
0:40:44things you can't do because the analogy breaks down but I think with all this
0:40:50money is all this money is not enough for them to buy their way to you know
0:40:59whatever you want a pic to do network services as well as Google or Facebook
0:41:04to be able to hire and retain the world's best talent bike there there are
0:41:10some money problems that throwing money out of them just will not solve right
0:41:14and that must be frustrating this is like how do you get how do you get these
0:41:20things that we need to get what do we need the most companies like all the
0:41:23only had more money but in a place like know we have all the money in the
0:41:26freaking world why can we not turn this money into insert thing that Apple feels
0:41:30that is lacking in from the outside but there are many things that we feel our
0:41:33balls licking and
0:41:34on the inside about the main thing I think they're lacking is how can we get
0:41:38people get really good employees because we all know what it's like Apple and any
0:41:44large organization everyone can be in charge at Apple
0:41:48some people have more of a say what the company does another its hierarchy every
0:41:52you know Corporation is a hierarchy and so how can you get all of the world's
0:41:57best people you could only get all the world's best people who want to work for
0:42:00a company and only a certain number of those can never rise to position apple
0:42:03with a charger anything it really smart people want to be in charge of something
0:42:06because they raised more people so that's what people come to Apple get
0:42:09experience and start their own companies do their own thing that maybe they come
0:42:13back like it's frustrating to to see Townley viewing go to other companies
0:42:19are going to start that's kind of the nature of the business and so that's
0:42:22what makes you think about all these giant mountain of money as if I was at a
0:42:26place like how do we transform this money into improvements in our products
0:42:31and services and we all we do in the show's talk about all the areas where
0:42:34Apple's week and I think of every one of those areas and almost all those areas
0:42:38money may may you know to be necessary but is clearly not sufficient because it
0:42:44was money they would be great at everything because they have block
0:42:50orders before they just a massive amount of money in the bank they have a massive
0:42:54amount of money like they could you know it's like just pay all your employees
0:42:57five million dollars a year
0:42:59done and then all your place they retire on the five million dollars well we
0:43:05destroy the company with money that was really bad guys actually becoming
0:43:10Brewster's Millions a reference that neither one of you get because you
0:43:12weren't born but the movie no means understand the problem that Apple has
0:43:20yes Apple is Richard Pryor in this analogy
0:43:23prior to see now I actually want to watch this guy I think you're a mean
0:43:27there's there's just a lot of problems that money either can't solve or makes
0:43:34worse or isn't sufficient enough to solve and and most I mean I would say
0:43:38looking looking at what we identified apple's problems from the outside and
0:43:43then assuming that there are at least partially true it seems like apples two
0:43:49biggest problems are getting a retaining good talent number one and number two
0:43:54just like organizational inertia of likes the way things are set up the way
0:43:59like you know departments are structured the way the incentives are like I
0:44:03honestly I think anyone interested in in the quality problems or perception of
0:44:11them whether you think they're really not i mean you should listen to this
0:44:15week's episode of debug which is needed and on my part 3 and they talk about
0:44:22this I talked about like these accusations of quality issues and it was
0:44:28interesting to hear i mean partially I I think they were actually especially need
0:44:34not sure I think they were actually quite defensive but it's it was little I
0:44:40had mixed emotions listening to it but it gives a lot of insight into the way
0:44:46things are done at Apple and and they don't work there anymore but they were
0:44:52there fairly recently and they were there for some fairly recent releases
0:44:55and the way things are done it sounds a lot like all the high priority bugs tend
0:45:03to get fixed but there's not a lot of time left for the less high-priority
0:45:07bugs but every company works like I haven't listened yet it seemed like you
0:45:11but like they probably defensive figures like what they're not saying whether
0:45:14they realize it or not is you know it's like man to get anything done time to
0:45:19companies do X Y and Z and when you're telling me that I should be doing this
0:45:22is like well but you can't because like Apple the structure of Apple becomes the
0:45:26sixth thing and it's like to get anything done within the structure you
0:45:30have to do this maybe that means within a structure the only thing you can do is
0:45:33get the high priority boxes because then you can get someone higher up to pay
0:45:36attention to you and you can make a priority for Team you can get it done
0:45:39you can't work within the system so really what they're angry about when
0:45:43they're being defensive is they're angry the system into which their place and
0:45:47then they're put into the system and told now get things done and they would
0:45:51like to do what they think is the right thing but within the system you have to
0:45:55work the system and who gets to change the system is to get back to you know
0:45:59who is in charge are the people in charge the best people to be in charge
0:46:03you can't have a company where people move up the ranks over many years and
0:46:06then realize this bike has no idea what he's doing get him out of there bring
0:46:10someone like people don't like it when you hire new people in above them they
0:46:13don't like but they bring in new people that say all the current people there
0:46:15don't know what they're doing
0:46:17change like that takes time because egos get bruised and people have to be kicked
0:46:20out of the company in like and if it's too much churn seems like a volatile
0:46:24place and it's not like all the problems of any human doing anything in a group
0:46:28are magnified in a corporate setting and that is the main sickness of all
0:46:32corporations and I would say Apple has done better than any other company to
0:46:36fight against the sort of corporate malaise to actually produce good
0:46:42products and they were rewarded with the big buckets of money but even those
0:46:46buckets of money can't cure all the sicknesses when the organization and no
0:46:50amount of money can make it so that people who want to be chief sunday wanna
0:46:54be your indians so you never gonna have all the best people they're always going
0:46:58to leave and do their own thing there are always going to be wrestle to do
0:47:00something else
0:47:01you know I still say it like that the most practical thing that I would do
0:47:05with the money is address its shortcomings that can that the money has
0:47:09the most effect on for example prioritizing network services and
0:47:13infrastructure you can throw money at that if if people learn that Apple is
0:47:18going to spend three hundred billion dollars trying to catch up to 20 Google
0:47:22and Amazon and Facebook and network infrastructure data center expertise
0:47:25a lot of people who have network infrastructure data center expertise but
0:47:28go work for Apple the right now those people don't want to travel because the
0:47:32idea that Apple is a place where those things are not prioritizing all the
0:47:35glory people are working on you like it or never and I mean that's like it seems
0:47:41like they're the two biggest problems in that area like what frustrates people
0:47:45who were there are the way the system is set up and the the the stress of working
0:47:53within that and like the deadlines like what you have in mind working on what
0:47:56you don't want to work on like from what I've heard from so many people in and
0:48:00out of Apple that that those are the two biggest problems it's like you know you
0:48:04might be like a lot of people they're very happy doing what they're doing but
0:48:08there's a lot of people there who can't get the time or the staff to fix the
0:48:13problem they want to fix and in a lot of people there who are you know fighting
0:48:18the good fight and working on things that need to be worked on but they don't
0:48:21get the support from above or the resources from above its kind of the
0:48:25same problem like it is not a higher priority for the company or its kind of
0:48:29stuck in this weird division somewhere maybe should be somewhere else or you
0:48:33know there's some like some roadblock in the middle of the hierarchy and it's
0:48:36making it hard for them or something like that there's there's an
0:48:40organizational challenges in Europe every company is gonna have problems
0:48:43like this that doesn't make them non problems and and really I mean like I i
0:48:48think i listened to debug it is it is encapsulated so well and even like when
0:48:56when roger was was attempting to argue against this point he was proving this
0:49:02point unknowingly because he liked what he saw his point of view is that he
0:49:08thinks this is like
0:49:10it's like a formulaic 681 Piper high-priority the P 16 p1 bugs and then
0:49:18we'll forget about this and then they proceeded to talk about how the p2 bugs
0:49:22hardly ever had everybody wants to work on the p2 bugs for the hardly ever
0:49:27allowed to because of the release cycle leading so little time and everything
0:49:30just about like is a high priority high priority we can't afford to work on it
0:49:34right now and so what are so I'm not feeling well when i send feeling a lack
0:49:40of quality here I'm not feeling 61 bugs I'm feeling 6,000 p2 bugs have
0:49:45accumulated over the last five years and are being dicks yeah I agree to say that
0:49:51the like this has had problems things that the reason you can't get
0:49:55prioritization Boston AP 20 whatever the reason you think like there you know
0:50:01that's not a party is a party is because if you were to ever be able to make your
0:50:06case you would say is we need to do this because of you that all the reasons they
0:50:14would say well I don't think we do this because XYZ and you have this argument
0:50:18it eventually would you come down to as you move your way up the ladder is like
0:50:21well obviously my my priorities as the boss are the correct ones because look
0:50:27as successful as Apple's been in the higher you go up in the company of the
0:50:30more the person can say well I understand the people below me might
0:50:34believe XYZ should be done but I believe it should be Q
0:50:38history has shown that I've been pretty right because Apple's been doing pretty
0:50:41well and like it's the sort of that's the ultimate success hides problem thing
0:50:45is that when you get into an argument about what people should be doing that
0:50:47you need more staff to test this and everybody can't be in charge again for
0:50:50the millionth time that people who are in charge and the people who are in
0:50:53charge
0:50:54always have that they're back Apple's must accompany the world we make the
0:50:58best products we have under percent customer center but he loves to make a
0:51:01billion dollars everybody's buying iPhones like they always had it sitting
0:51:04right behind them and so no matter what are you make based on a reason in the
0:51:08end and Indian leaders may be the most successful company in the world do you
0:51:12think the priorities I'm setting as as your boss or your boss's boss or your
0:51:16bosses bosses boss arrest and cook those parties the wrong priorities in what way
0:51:20are they wrong
0:51:21look how successful we are what criteria should we be judging ourselves on picket
0:51:25criteria pick a metric we are the best and you're saying oh that's not good
0:51:28enough because you can get people to bugs right that's that's excited
0:51:33problems that's what you run up against and if you're one of the lower down
0:51:36people and you can't commit the uppers it's like you do you agree that they
0:51:39kind of have a point and you become a company man who argue that doesn't have
0:51:42reliability problems a podcast or you leave the company and say well these
0:51:47people never gonna listen to me and whether they're right or not this is not
0:51:50the environment I wanna be in you leave you know speaking of podcasts that we
0:51:55haven't listened to yet at least I haven't friend of the show Ben Thompson
0:52:00was on the talk show this week and one of the things that I noticed in the
0:52:04notes was them talking about Apple employees have gone on sabbatical and
0:52:08then come back and and I know that both you guys to mention that a minute ago
0:52:12and then with regard to the PTU bugs marco was talking about I know I brought
0:52:17this up a couple episodes ago but the end he meant to shock interview on
0:52:20objective CIO he talks about that in indirectly but just talks about how the
0:52:25incredible pace and the priority of just getting new hardware and other super
0:52:30important things done
0:52:32prevents prevents them from working on the not as showy issues or major changes
0:52:40over time right right so both homework assignments if you're bored
0:52:45anything else on earnings other than that I want the bank account numbers for
0:52:51the hundred and seventy or whatever is billion dollars haven't heard the the
0:52:56call yet but I read in many places that they give a breakdown of six vs six plus
0:53:03but they merely just said the six sold their their sex plus you guys read that
0:53:07as well yeah that's that's what they said that that the six was the top
0:53:10seller in the line but they didn't say you know what the ratio was and they
0:53:15don't usually bring on the racially so I don't think we ever get good info on
0:53:18that I'm mostly interested in some of the don't say is that it's a pretty much
0:53:23anywhere they do say what what value is there or what would motivate them to
0:53:28tell us that the 60 more than the six bus right I don't know I mean it doesn't
0:53:34I can't I can't even think of like a cynical like making out here
0:53:38competitors like maybe they just don't know I don't understand why they would
0:53:43say that I think about why did you tell me that like I assumed it I i assumed to
0:53:48be for the phones were really sick result in this expose your not tell me
0:53:51how much better so just give me any actual information oh then like six sold
0:53:55more than six months but why you telling me this now it's funny I actually asked
0:54:00on Twitter why wouldn't they say that because I I was having a a dunce moment
0:54:05and it was like well why not you cares we're all friends right and immediately
0:54:12I got a thousand replies very gently telling me I'm an idiot a lot of the
0:54:17responses were well don't give your competitors anything in and that that
0:54:21makes sense and and and there was one or two others that were really good but it
0:54:26basically boils down to what you're saying John you know why why share that
0:54:30information what good does Apple what what benefits as Apple gained from
0:54:34sharing it
0:54:35yeah I mean I guess I have a break then things that it doesn't have to all the
0:54:38time but like product mix is one that Apple is almost never broken and I've
0:54:42always assumed as lots of reasons like you said that I always assume the reason
0:54:46they don't break it down is because
0:54:47they don't want to tell their competitors sort of like this is this is
0:54:52a mix of demand for these products so if you're going to make a line of phones
0:54:55this is roughly how many big ones this size and how many small in size you want
0:54:58to have right exactly like they just
0:55:01that's that's not the reason that's a reason reason I was thinking they're
0:55:05actually probably even better reasons why I mean some of their answer her
0:55:10question you have to ask questions all the time says no we're not going to tell
0:55:15you that is doing all the time why why decide to say that the six is not even
0:55:20in their name bragging about its not like I think that you're bragging
0:55:24they're not countering this story I don't think is their story out there
0:55:27that I don't i cant i cant figure it out but you know maybe they just you know
0:55:33they decided to throw the press a bone and tell them this begin with another
0:55:37bullet point for story but I don't think it put that on a particularly good or
0:55:39bad light anyway I have listened to the call yet to see what it was really like
0:55:43alright so there's been a little bit of rumblings lately which I was not aware
0:55:51of until somebody else pointed it out and in this case West start from
0:55:55Australia he or she said it might be worth revisiting the new photo app for
0:56:02Mac I remember you guys were pretty excited about it I have a daily Google
0:56:06Alert for all news about it it seems Apple have been removing references to
0:56:10it from their website that doesn't instill a lot of confidence
0:56:17digested I mean that's probably not a good sign in it also was funny to me
0:56:21semi related that somebody Press Tim Cook on whether or not on the earnings
0:56:26call whether or not the Apple watches really going to be released early in
0:56:312015 because it's apparently coming out in April and him said from what I gather
0:56:38well the way we think of it is the first third of the years early the middle
0:56:41third is just the middle third and the last 30 days late and so sure why not
0:56:47it's still early right we're all friends and I don't know just struck me as funny
0:56:51so are you guys concerned about the fact that that photos apparently may not be
0:56:57the photo app may not be a thing anymore
0:56:59well it seems like you know reading the tea leaves here and here in a few
0:57:04rumblings here in there I think the answer is not that the Photos app is
0:57:08cancelled or just late you know it was I believe didn't they say about the
0:57:14initial release date was like last fall but I think somebody else correct me
0:57:17recently and said it was also really 2015 it was always next year or so I
0:57:22think it was always to be 2015 sometime ok so you know if if that means by the
0:57:27end of April 2015 and they're certainly removing all these references to it I
0:57:32mean I it really does sound like based on you know a few things here and there
0:57:37is it from what I can tell it's just too late it's not lead there it's not it's
0:57:41not canceled and like i was wonder these stories of the sort of you know implied
0:57:47like the net dot dot dot
0:57:51those stories like will never say this means Apple is canceling it because the
0:57:55quick like that's the implication but they'd only want to imply they don't
0:57:58want to say it right and even speculate about it because my question would be
0:58:03alright if you're saying this because you think the photos after the neck is
0:58:07cancelled is it really a thing that you think would happen that Apple would
0:58:10cancel both iPhoto and aperture and aperture and there was no photo
0:58:16management I mean I suppose that could be a thing like by all means make that
0:58:20argument tell me why Apple does not want to be in the business of making you know
0:58:24first party photo management applications for your Mac anymore I
0:58:27would love to hear that argument but they will never make that argument they
0:58:30would just say that it's being pulled from the site and let you just worry
0:58:32about something so in the absence of someone making a compelling argument
0:58:35that Apple no longer wants to make photo apps which I bet you know if I had to
0:58:41make that are in my way I would say history has shown over the past several
0:58:44years Apple not great at making fun of management apps available didn't make
0:58:47any given away for free that would open up the market to third parties
0:58:50but then they'd start parties have to work with the authorities in the cloud
0:58:54and about 11 EPF that bob loved anyway I'm not saying it's totally ridiculous
0:58:57it could happen right I don't see anyone making that argument that is just like
0:59:01what software is late right what else is new
0:59:06me take care of that site just because it's kind of embarrassing to have it up
0:59:09there for a long time and not have it available and maybe you know the website
0:59:14too soon
0:59:15your screenshots of something that doesn't exist
0:59:18people can't get enticing them something like still selling a picture when it's
0:59:25canceled but that's not a good movie there and so this just seems like a
0:59:28correction if the stars that the next year I don't care just make it freakin
0:59:32work that's the thing I mean it's
0:59:35gets photos on your Mac that such an important thing like that's that's not
0:59:40something you can like mess with like I wouldn't if if it was a beta I wouldn't
0:59:44install it and even install the final version but seriously they just 22 the
0:59:53truck like I barely trust I photo of my photos and like this new system whatever
0:59:58it is I'm going to run in parallel with iPhoto for a long time before I trust ya
1:00:03I mean like whether I use it immediately and whether I like can trust with
1:00:08everything immediately will entirely depend on whether I can read its
1:00:12directory structure if I can read it back out and I can back it up with Time
1:00:17Machine LSW talked about months ago announced this I'll be comfortable using
1:00:21it if it doesn't have all those things it's gonna be a tough sell
1:00:25anyway we didn't actually get a bunch of this week so instead I decided to kind
1:00:30of throw this one to two conferences that are run by our friends and our
1:00:33really nice both happening in marks both happening hopefully I consulted CGP grey
1:00:39video it is ireland you i think
1:00:45the bottom half is anyway that's the bottom and video yeah me too
1:00:52yes so anyway you're gonna get so much email to review the two largest islands
1:00:57in the British Isles are Ireland and Great Britain Ireland has a two
1:01:00countries the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland while Great Britain
1:01:03mostly contains three England Scotland and Wales these last three when combined
1:01:06with northern ireland form the United Kingdom anyway
1:01:09Ennis Conference NFC conference dot com is an awesome conference that is in
1:01:14light Chester I think it's Leister
1:01:18like the boss and I'll you just kind of in the middle of get some help from the
1:01:23other was a good video of Americans pronouncing bridge place names should
1:01:28find its place esther lester like a creepy dude lester yes my bed here lies
1:01:35I was so smug I thought I really nailed it but I was anywhere is that march 16th
1:01:4018th and as conference dot com in Leicester UK speakers include some of my
1:01:47friends I just launched our dinner jacket pocket fosler sabino Jamie
1:01:51Newberry and a bunch more people who are not quite as well but it's a very very
1:01:53good list and I'll be speaking there as well I tend to speak at about one
1:01:58conference per year and wanted this one for a while and the schedule you've
1:02:03never worked out until this year and I'm very happy to finally work this out so
1:02:06check out as conference dot com also I apologize to casey Cumz he wants to go
1:02:12and probably won't go because baby stuff is hard and so so anyway it's you lol .
1:02:20I E
1:02:20this is March 30th and 31st in Killarney Ireland speakers include lots of people
1:02:26we know Jesus no guy English Dalrymple Georgia whiskas Trinity rene some guy
1:02:33named John or Jonathan Gruber think he's an economist and more
1:02:36go to you lol . I E that's pretty cool anyway so any conference and shout out
1:02:44of this week anyway what else so we're gonna get so much email and I'm not
1:02:50looking forward to it anyway I wanted to quickly talk about a tweet that I had
1:02:56seen retweeted by my friend Andre arco this week is by Gary Bernhardt the
1:03:03history of programming is much more about programmers unacknowledged
1:03:05emotional attachment to the miliary than it is about invention and the first
1:03:11thing I thought of when I read this tweet was Marcos insistence on sticking
1:03:15with PHP forever
1:03:17up until the difference though and Marcos defenses that you acknowledge
1:03:22your ridiculous insistence on this ridiculous language and rather than just
1:03:28stick your head in the sand although I guess maybe I should have thought of
1:03:31John first but since I don't feel like there's any so why do you think of me
1:03:35first
1:03:35pearl is fine you know why do you know anyone with his parole is the best
1:03:39language and a whole bunch of languages when go and art comes out when go comes
1:03:45out and all these new language come out I read all the documentation for the
1:03:48languages
1:03:49yes but the only one you really need like Marco said is pearl just dollar
1:03:54signs for everyone
1:03:55JavaScript where you work you'll find yourself writing jobs could have escaped
1:04:03the worst language everywhere looking rather I don't really have much to say
1:04:10other than I thought the to use cool it reminded me of you guys yeah that's
1:04:13that's true not just a programming language those shoe of anything I go
1:04:17again with any sort of group organization with a hierarchy where
1:04:24people are in charge there's going to be an attachment to the people in charge to
1:04:28the things that they are familiar with insist they're in charge they get to
1:04:31impose that everybody else
1:04:32and any attempt to change is met with resistance from the people who are
1:04:38attached to the things they're familiar with their specific instances and
1:04:43programming it whether it's specific language or technology or particular
1:04:47code base that people get attachments with in many cases specifically with TAC
1:04:53what's required is somebody who's not tech person to make a decision and
1:05:01posted on the tech people that's how you get situation that's how you get
1:05:05essentially Mac OS 10 right because Apple had also its next-generation
1:05:11operating system
1:05:12initiatives within its walls and there was none of them are focused enough and
1:05:19they were put under very difficult constraints they just couldn't get the
1:05:21job done he only way they could break out of that with they had to someone who
1:05:26is not a programmer who has no attachment to the Mac tool box or do
1:05:31anything involving classic Mac OS two come in and say we're doing something
1:05:36different because none of the people who were there in the trenches were going to
1:05:43do that because all those people who are experts in the current Mac operating
1:05:46system and they may have had a mission is to make a new operating system but
1:05:49they certainly had an attachment to the current one who takes care of an
1:05:51outsider and usually an outsider is not a tech person in this case the outsider
1:05:56was the CEO of the company who decided to purchase another company that came up
1:06:00with Steve Jobs and he did little inside-out takeover type thing those are
1:06:04the people who decided that there is an operating system with built in next that
1:06:07nobody you know inside the company working on a new kernel or whatever
1:06:12decided that next to be like there's a way out of this to you
1:06:19deal with an emotional attachment you have a duty to get a decision made by
1:06:23somebody has no emotional attachment of those things and you know who I didn't
1:06:29know it was going really old and has a CEO can you remember the CEO progression
1:06:33and Apple did not have an emotional attachment to classic Mac OS so the idea
1:06:37of you know using the Windows anti-crime are buying next are buying be ready
1:06:42those things he's not burdened by any emotional attachment to technologies are
1:06:46language is there anything having to do with the current technology stack that
1:06:52was kind of a crisis tunity though because it comes to going down the tubes
1:06:55the person can the person in charge is empowered to do that and again the
1:07:00success has problems who and Apple is empowered to make them change their
1:07:04priorities for network services anyone who has that sort of ability like
1:07:11there's no crisis causing it to happen at this point because for all the noise
1:07:15we make talking about app on their problems like then they turn these
1:07:18financial numbers and it's like tell me again why I have to totally change the
1:07:21way we do things are otherwise otherwise what happens if we don't we have another
1:07:24record quarter
1:07:25well you know blackberry was doing great in 2006 I know it's hard problems right
1:07:30to the point that it doesn't write and Apple especially because if Apple missus
1:07:34this fantastical earnings by just a little bit like oh god Apple's doom the
1:07:38only made sixteen billion and and last year they paid eighteen if they make
1:07:41sixteen billion this you know the same quarter next year they do know they made
1:07:45sixteen billion dollars in the quarter they're fine right so it's but people
1:07:48still go crazy over it so I guess that's kind of the upside I don't really talk
1:07:52about this but the upside of the crazy Apple blogosphere and the pundits who
1:07:57are like Apple is doomed to my what Apple does they they're about to be
1:08:01destroyed by whatever their competitor is that has actually manufactured crisis
1:08:07unity
1:08:08it's not real phantom I don't want to say it got a real problem but the
1:08:16perception that there is a problem is the only thing they ever give anybody
1:08:20inside Apple any sort of clout to make a you know to have a crisis that leads to
1:08:25an opportunity right otherwise if there were any other company would be like
1:08:29nothing ever changes ever doing great I don't understand why I would ever listen
1:08:35to you everything is fine and you know and just to put a little bit a nuanced
1:08:41on this like when I when I complain about Apple's quality problems or what I
1:08:45perceive as quality problems I'm not saying apples do they're not apples
1:08:50gonna be fine for a long time you know Apple's gonna be even if they have a bad
1:08:55patch it's gonna be a little bit like Microsoft is today which is like
1:08:59Microsoft is you know most of our estimations in this is there going
1:09:05through at their worst period ever right now they're still making tons of money
1:09:09on their still fine and there aren't making as much money necessarily as they
1:09:13could be or maybe as they were in the past I don't know about that but you
1:09:17know they're still even in this state of them producing things that don't do well
1:09:22in the market and things that tend to suck a lot or fail least they're still
1:09:27as a company and financially everything so fine it's not even funny and so you
1:09:33know Apple even if they had a colossal series of terrible moves and terrible
1:09:38products of flops in the marketplace which doesn't look gonna happen time
1:09:41soon even if that happened they have so much money coming in there are still so
1:09:48many people they're still gonna have such such great success
1:09:52relative to the market as a whole relative to other companies relative 20
1:09:56that they're gonna be fine so I'm not saying they're doomed I'm not even
1:10:02saying that they're gonna start making less money I don't know that you know
1:10:06who knows I do think though that as you know following the theme of success hide
1:10:11problems
1:10:13you can be selling tons and and and doing very well in profit in market
1:10:19share any kind of like you know money metric you want you want to measure and
1:10:23still not be making stuff that's good enough that is a different metric and
1:10:29and you can you can you know similar to how I said look you can lose the
1:10:33function on high ground without losing it to somebody else that you can just
1:10:36lose it yourself you can still be doing very very well you can still be making
1:10:41tons of money you can still be the market leader in whatever metric you
1:10:45choose to be despite that your stuff might not be as good as it could be or
1:10:51should be that is totally separate measure that often does not correlate to
1:10:55your market success I wasn't talking about you I was talking mostly about
1:10:59like like that there's bad assumptions arkla Ben Thompson who may or may not be
1:11:03in our chat room by gets the analysts who are like Apple has to come out with
1:11:07the network you know or other competitors in aggression they needed a
1:11:11lower price bones are going to destroy them in China like all these people who
1:11:14just don't understand out below their business and they're the people are
1:11:18manufacturing like the drama on the stock market with their price like that
1:11:23why Apple's PE ratio is not what it should be
1:11:26according to almost any rational thought it was like you know is this big article
1:11:31says open the shows like Apple is eternally I think I'm gonna said similar
1:11:36things really like on the edge of doom like I said like they're currently
1:11:46currently falling to earth they just keep missing it's a basic there in orbit
1:11:50right and it's not and this is from the people who matter like I'm in the
1:11:57financial markets like that and and everybody hates that you have a whole
1:12:01websites dedicated to just like him in the MacLab all he does is just here she
1:12:06has his just take down the these people who just have no idea what they're
1:12:10talking about a consular talk about Apple and seemingly having people listen
1:12:14to them but there is a benefit and the benefit is if that chatter gets loud
1:12:20enough it can be fuel for things to happen inside the company that otherwise
1:12:24wouldn't have been the only other fields are marked talked about that any good
1:12:26company and especially Apple knows don't let yourself be blackberry right don't
1:12:30make yourself don't miss the mobile revolution don't decide that a hardware
1:12:35keyboard is the way forward dammit like you can always get blindsided and had an
1:12:41apple to its credit and perhaps better than anyone else has been really good
1:12:45over the past decade or so about trying not to let that happen because I'm not
1:12:50resting at like that that's what the watch is all about is the watch the
1:12:52right thing Apple TV the right thing like these are things that Apple is
1:12:56trying they don't try a million things but they know we're going to you know i
1:13:00phone company forever that is not a viable strategy you end up as a
1:13:03blackberry eventually number I don't you know it may take a while but eventually
1:13:06happen if I had to pick out something that is dangerous to Apple right now I
1:13:10would pick out like we are something maybe there'll be a fluke and it's not a
1:13:14big deal but Apple should be worried about it should have contingency plans
1:13:18should be working in like maybe it's not a big deal maybe they are comes and goes
1:13:23and it's like you know we didn't need to be worried about it but doesn't they are
1:13:26coming to every seven or eight years I know you don't know but you never know
1:13:31what's gonna take maybe won't take now if you'd said like tablet computers he
1:13:35better be worried about that Apple when like 10 for Windows came out like that
1:13:39that the grid pad or whatever we gotta be very worried about this if you like
1:13:43what were they said no we don't need to worry that stupid and then it went away
1:13:47and you like see we were told to rate the whole thing with like tablets that's
1:13:51pointless no one's gonna be that's not the same appalling was at all you bet
1:13:54against PDA space
1:13:56we tried the new Numis crabby nobody wants to have like a smart device for
1:13:59the touch her yet stupid if Apple Cup having that attitude they would have
1:14:03never made that the iPhone right just bien todavia comes and goes like you
1:14:07said we were right now you have to you absolutely have to explore every avenue
1:14:12maybe nothing comes to but you have to be on the lookout for I think Apple has
1:14:15that going for it that it's always going to be on the lookout for what the next
1:14:20thing is gonna blind-sided trying to stay ahead of it but the more difficult
1:14:23thing is when you don't have anybody who is competing with you in terms of
1:14:27product quality profits customer set anything like that what do you have to
1:14:32motivate you to be better or to change the way you do business because any
1:14:38argument you make about change then we do this is Ken eventually ending what
1:14:43does it do you think how can we do better in some way which metric that we
1:14:47can measure would we do better and we make more money we have higher customer
1:14:50satisfaction I guess maybe you could say we have more market share but then they
1:14:54have encountered at like if you lower if you saw the lower price phone you would
1:14:58increase your market share in that Apple said yes but we don't care about market
1:15:01share care of making us products and making a lot of money possibly in that
1:15:04order
1:15:06alright still waiting for that Sega V our heads ok let me know how that works
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1:15:41Casey
1:15:45and you can show the day to be done and Marco
1:16:28what's going on at this point and we're never gonna watch the Microsoft thing
1:16:33right we all forgot to do it for two weeks in a row right ovary supposed to
1:16:37probably watch a little bit I read articles with highlights and I know more
1:16:42or less what was announced i just want to see it i guess i mean sometimes when
1:16:47I watch those things to do very quickly becomes not about what's been announced
1:16:51but about how it's being announced yeah and sometimes I could be good at
1:16:55something that can be bad if it's really long and boring and bad but I will
1:17:00remember that one of the best things I watched a long time was that when
1:17:05Windows 8 Metro was like announced it was like that but you got you I got
1:17:09explain the UI philosophy behind the Metro interface that was really good I
1:17:15think I mean I've heard so many people talking about this might be something in
1:17:20various things about it I think the biggest red flag for me is that all the
1:17:27these features are designed for a leg it sounded like they have basically 11
1:17:32continuous you I between phones tablets and PCs and you know convertible laptops
1:17:39and everything you know everything like rather than the windows 8 environment of
1:17:43ladies two separate environments and Windows RT which no one really mentioned
1:17:48recently with the stuff I think I can take and that they think so but i dont
1:17:53have not been confirmed that he has been employed but all that stuff
1:17:57the problem is that whole system of own it'll be wonderful you can have these
1:18:03absurd on the same platforms you can have things being handed off in all its
1:18:07you have to not consider what happens if you have all the Microsoft devices
1:18:13because that's not gonna happen like that's unrealistic that so you have to
1:18:18instead can see if you said be like ours so what happens if I only have one or
1:18:24two of these what maybe I only have the laptop and the Xbox or media just like
1:18:29the tablet and a laptop or something like that like knowing about the Windows
1:18:34Phone anytime soon so I can know what happens then in like a mixed environment
1:18:37where this year I don't have are not totally bought it
1:18:40is the stuff still compelling if it works at all you know is is that i think
1:18:46is is why I hope Microsoft is is smart and practical and humble enough to
1:18:53recognize the need to be worried about that and they need to make sure that
1:18:57works well I don't know yet if they are you know we in general the new Microsoft
1:19:03is moving in that direction of being more pragmatic and honest about their
1:19:07position in mobile but we'll see in a hollow lens I mean how and from what
1:19:13everyone says is a really awesome tech demo that everyone hopes will come out
1:19:19sometime soon with some kind of reasonable hardware that perform
1:19:23something well and worked with some kind of mystery software but that's that's a
1:19:27whole lot of ifs
1:19:28you know that that's a big line of like of pretty big problems to solve before
1:19:33this thing is truly compelling and so I hope it succeed I think it'd be cool but
1:19:39I think it would be cool to kinda like shake things up in the industry and and
1:19:43to have Microsoft be the fuhrman again it's kind of exciting because they
1:19:46haven't been for a while so I think that would be interesting I think it'd be
1:19:50cool I hope it works but I
1:19:53there there's so many IFS like you know and people are comparing it to light the
1:19:58demos of Kinect
1:20:00called president all I think that sounds familiar yes people are saying like you
1:20:06know the original demos of that we're like insanely awesome ridiculous stuff
1:20:11and in the real thing him and it wasn't nearly that good in reality and so that
1:20:14could happen here but you know from what everyone has said who has tried the
1:20:18Holland at the press event everyone said like it was really good it like it was
1:20:22actually really good but of course it was all prototype hardware prototype
1:20:24software pretty far from reality pretty far from Aliso like I saw some people
1:20:30who are normally skeptical saying was really good too but it's like really
1:20:34good like a fun amusement ride but what problem is a solving for me in gaming
1:20:40it's easier because like gaming is amusing right that's the problem solving
1:20:43for entertainment right right for something that's not a gaming system the
1:20:47democrat be amazing because you didn't know the things you're experiencing
1:20:50possible and it was a super rock-solid station of these ideas but then it's
1:20:54like if you gave us to me and put it in my house what would I use it
1:20:58games are easy I would use it to have fun ride if it doesn't make me sick and
1:21:02it's fun and interesting and it makes new gameplay think it's just fun sites
1:21:07all you need that but for people like 3d modeling and stuff are you kidding me
1:21:11take someone who uses mild and tell them you gonna do everything will hold it
1:21:15could get there eventually maybe you have to do but like those applications
1:21:20are fiendishly complex they just like the UI looks like the dashboard of a 747
1:21:26gonna try to do that by waving your hands around in space
1:21:30what is it making easier like what is it making possible easier for people in
1:21:36those companies that are you like maybe I don't know but like its up to
1:21:41Microsoft to figure that out and putting a bunch of people in his little things
1:21:46and having them be wowed by by technology is it's a start I guess but
1:21:51you know the Apple thing is you have to come up with at least one thing that you
1:21:55think this thing can do better than something else and you have to be right
1:21:58about it
1:21:58and I don't know that there is a good discussion about this on on rocket our
1:22:03friends that she was talking about 3 like she does 3d work all day and she
1:22:08knows and other people who do it she knows like that's not really how people
1:22:12do three he and I think to you know we've seen as tablets have gotten big
1:22:21and phones and everything and we've seen in all these all these like weird
1:22:26peripherals it to people that they have tried over time I think we've we've
1:22:32mostly figured out the things that work really well for most tasks and I'm not
1:22:38saying that we can never do anything different than we can ever find better
1:22:42ways but a lot has been tried and a lot has failed and I think it's when when
1:22:48you look at liked to get a lot of work done a lot of precise complicated work
1:22:53done a keyboard and a pointing device and the screen is really really
1:22:59effective and again that might not be the most ideal solution but we have a
1:23:03lot of inertia behind that solution with you just gotta wait until it becomes the
1:23:09it becomes the best way to do it like touch screens but it remains forever
1:23:12people hated them people just hated touch me how long will it take turns my
1:23:15whole practice my whole life and universally reviled right and that means
1:23:21touchscreens are bad ideas like know someone eventually has to do them right
1:23:24enough that you go oh yeah touchscreens Apple happened to be the one that got
1:23:29their right and so is the same way we've had we are forever every time we see in
1:23:33its like an amusement things you put on in the nineties in a video arcade it
1:23:40wasn't even fun right
1:23:41were probably the point now where you can make fun games with it if they can
1:23:45work out the problems but you know will know it when someone finally cross that
1:23:49threshold and it's like it's not like we are as a bad idea the reason to believe
1:23:53trying it's because it's an amazing I did you just got to be the first one to
1:23:57do it right and go oh yes every other and people will say every other previous
1:24:02effort of Berar sucked and this is the one that's good and you don't even have
1:24:06to convince people because no need to be convinced now that a good thing that
1:24:10people born and you know so the outpost smartphone era will never believe you me
1:24:15said before all my life touched me terrible and everybody hated them what
1:24:19was different about them they were slightly less responsive I gets it
1:24:21pretty much it someone had to press really hard some of them are a little
1:24:26less responsive like doesn't take much you know so that's why people are
1:24:29excited oculus because it seems like I'm gonna try to myself it seems like they
1:24:34cross the threshold into no longer sucking four games and I've tried an
1:24:39oculus rift which one I have no idea as soon as I tweeted about it but I tried
1:24:47one I i genuinely don't know which 1 I'm not trying to be funny I tried it for
1:24:52two minutes and it was cool as hell and I i was playing like one game where I
1:24:58was flying around in like shooting it something or other
1:25:02and I played another game or basically I was just planning now for the game to be
1:25:05honest I was walking around like a balcony on the edge of a cliff and its
1:25:10freakin trippy mane it is weird I'm not typically prone to motion sickness I
1:25:16didn't get any and I was only the headset on for a couple of minutes but I
1:25:20would assume since there is even the slightest bit of potentially see between
1:25:26real world and it that John you would vomit profusely but I mean I thought it
1:25:32was spot-on I thought is really cool I think that the challenges of taking one
1:25:36of them is the motion sickness can you make this so that a reasonable
1:25:40percentage of the population does not get motion sick and you just have to
1:25:43keep trying to make it you know
1:25:44reduce the leg and you know
1:25:46make it the most people don't get motion sickness walk around all day in a 3d
1:25:50world once you put your head any disagreement between what your inner ear
1:25:56is telling you about your eyes are seeing is going to be interpreted by
1:25:59people who are prone to motion sickness as you know maybe you've eaten up now so
1:26:06that's the problem they're working on essentially you know what they're saying
1:26:09is over the latency displays and reduced tearing and reduce latency that all that
1:26:13buildup to is this something that large enough person the population can use and
1:26:18will find fun because you want people to buy it and it seems like they're getting
1:26:23closer to that threshold right now just four games Microsoft nothing so far that
1:26:29i've read or seen I read a lot but not seen much has convinced me that they
1:26:33have reached Indy the IRS moment the iPhone moment like that they have you
1:26:41know this is a thing that ever money use its not just an entertainment is
1:26:45actually a better way for you to interact with software because the
1:26:49recent XYZ and I haven't seen that yet it seems like a very good technical
1:26:55achievement in the labs so far that might make for a very good product but
1:27:02that no one has quite figured out like what's the killer app like what what is
1:27:08what will make it worth spending $500,000 in one of these things and and
1:27:14and possibly changing the entire way you work physically or your desktop or
1:27:18whatever what will make it worth all that costs and change that's so much
1:27:24better on this thing then you have no such a killer app that's what people
1:27:29used to say it like well it's great nobody the killer app for your pipeline
1:27:32but like the touch screen did not have a killer app in the sense of like you know
1:27:36an application made touches like the whole the whole thing the whole
1:27:40experience of a handle things mostly screen
1:27:43that was essentially the killer app but that that that phrase is back from the
1:27:48days when it was literally a single application I call you need a Mac
1:27:51because it has PageMaker get Photoshop already that was a killer Apted
1:27:56attractive for your platform the killer outfit touchscreens both countries are
1:27:59better for everything on a phone practically ninety be borderline
1:28:04keyboard but there's so much better
1:28:05everything else that the tradeoff is worth i think i mean one of the biggest
1:28:10challenges they might have with this and I know this sounds very superficial but
1:28:13trust me it will matter is portability you know the reality is I think most
1:28:19people today do their work on laptops desktops are really dying breed and
1:28:24never going to be dead but they're certainly laptops are the default
1:28:30computer for most people and mobility matters for a lot of those people not
1:28:35all that interested me but for a lot of them it matters and if this thing least
1:28:39something like those on your head and has these screens or whatever like it
1:28:42now actually might not fold niacin flattened skinny in light into a back
1:28:47hoe lens is actually better than i could assume this is like giant ski goggles
1:28:52right and so you know they seemed actually be there and you can see
1:28:56through the lenses are you wearing glasses that you can see the real world
1:28:59in ages overlay images onto it
1:29:02Yaris like you know completely covered you can't see anything outside which is
1:29:06why it's mostly better for entertainment for you don't need to see the outside
1:29:09world but not so good for an office setting where you have a blindfolded
1:29:15will also I I would expect have not known about this admittedly I would
1:29:19expect that ar is probably a lot easier to work out the motion sickness problems
1:29:23for ya probably because you do have the visual cues everything else but then
1:29:28that what that does is it reveals all of you that's what people are saying about
1:29:31the tech demo like it reveals any latency or miss calibration you have is
1:29:35real because the real world is perfectly steady in that they would say like I
1:29:40looked at the coffee table and there was a Minecraft structure on it and it
1:29:43pretty much say in the somali stuck to the table I couldn't when I wake up my
1:29:47head the microstructure didn't like well I moved you know moving side-to-side for
1:29:51jiggle like her looks like there was a whole new coffee table and there was
1:29:54like a thing down in like an hour look at that hopes to look like a hole and
1:29:58never sort of lost track of where the coffee table was actually drew at an
1:30:01elevated to left and to the right because that takes you out of the
1:30:04illusion that they had special ok well coffee tables real but the little castle
1:30:09on top of it is ignoring lighting just
1:30:13to have a connect to the world that's that's one of the big problems in a hour
1:30:16and it seems like Microsoft to solve that ok now what do you do with that
1:30:21besides minecraft castle tables why would have run to put it in the after
1:30:28show have said TV news before we go I know what happened said said said said
1:30:36on multiple levels so I got my fancy TV that like Panasonic Plasma TV I know all
1:30:43that plasma TVs no limitations take very good care of my television or so I
1:30:49thought you called the kids not to leave television shows paused making my
1:30:55children watch for by three live-action television shows stretched out and to
1:30:59sixteen by nine just but recently I've got Playstation 4 and have been playing
1:31:05a lot of destiny on it and that turned out to be a mistake got about eighty 80
1:31:11hours into destin a split between me and my son and we both really like the game
1:31:15despite its flaws or perhaps because of its laws I'm not sure anymore but
1:31:20destiny has one feature that I should have paid more attention to in didn't
1:31:23and in the lower left corner of the screen while you're playing destiny is a
1:31:28heads up display that shows a 100% yellow line and 100% white silhouettes
1:31:34of guns and when I was looking in puts the other day I noticed that I could
1:31:38still see the yellow line and little silhouettes @ the guns in the car on my
1:31:42screen and I said
1:31:45so this is sad for all the worries no one quick googling led to a jackpot of
1:31:57people begging bungee to make the HUD transparent or to make it optional this
1:32:02is something that most games are good about giving you a way to make a little
1:32:08bit transparent because the background is constantly changing promise when you
1:32:12make something opaque then it never changes I was just there for just an
1:32:15hour after hour this terrible budget hasn't done that yet I saw one
1:32:19acknowledgement that they acknowledge they've heard this complaint before and
1:32:22they can't give any timelines and blah blah blah battled back in November so
1:32:25there hasn't been a patch kit to fix this and the second thing is regarding
1:32:29plasma TVs there is image retention and burning the only difference as far as I
1:32:34can tell that burning is considered permanent injury is what I have
1:32:39permanent or not many stories from people who played last game past games
1:32:42on their plasma TVs other games I stopped playing the game and it took
1:32:47months for it to go away but eventually did other people say it never went away
1:32:50and so like the people that never won any they had burning people that image
1:32:54retention and those different debate so there if your Plasma TV supports 3d it's
1:32:59more susceptible to either attention to burn in or whatever anyway my tv screen
1:33:03might feature that puts white across the bar ice cream that's supposed to help
1:33:07but the bottom line is from what I've read the best cure is that you simply
1:33:12continue to use your TV as normal don't play the game anymore
1:33:15wait several months to a year and maybe you'll go
1:33:18I think it has faded already but the worst part of this is now destinies
1:33:23banned from my television until they
1:33:25means that I can't play destiny which also means my son can play destiny and
1:33:31that is the worst part of this community super pissed no one else at this point I
1:33:36think no one else would even notice it pointed it out but you know me so right
1:33:41my solution to this is buying a gaming monitor 1080p game under gonna move the
1:33:47PlayStation 4 into the computer room air instead of on the television because we
1:33:52gotta play destiny
1:33:53you know he's done his guns are gonna level themselves so let me ask you a
1:33:59serious question I I'm not trying to troll you you bought this TV this was a
1:34:07plasma TV if I understand things correctly because the blacks are better
1:34:13but otherwise it's mostly the same as any other TV is that now pretty much
1:34:19everything about its better as bet it panel's notion better the color accuracy
1:34:22is better than blacks are better it is better than any television you could buy
1:34:27except for with the possibility of overheads by the way also have burning
1:34:31problems anyway the one of driving at is you bought this TV for a difference that
1:34:39probably only year robot eyes can see how anybody could see it
1:34:44anybody could see him next to each other in a showroom pick my TV is about early
1:34:47yet you can't use the TV to do the one thing you want to do with it which is
1:34:51played destiny know because the Destiny like video games all the games fall
1:34:56right into motion the motion is an important thing in gaming right but the
1:35:01thing I really want good picture for us for television and movies like a live
1:35:04action because games like are you know they're limited by the graphics that are
1:35:08in the games they're not photo realistic and you know I want to watch my favorite
1:35:13movies and television shows and all that stuff on my nice fancy screen
1:35:17I'm perfectly happy to move my gaming to a little 23 inch monitor the computer
1:35:22right but I am NOT happy I wouldn't be happy to watch like my new gimli blu-ray
1:35:29on a little tiny computer screen Godfather movies analyst at a computer
1:35:33screen to watch the next season of Game of Thrones computer screen so I'm still
1:35:38what I'm trying to do is preserve my my TV for its intended purpose or just
1:35:43watching television and movies is intended purposes not gaming and in fact
1:35:47the monitor will probably have much lower input lag and lower latency than
1:35:51by television does not try to get a TV that has a low input legs possible to
1:35:54make it acceptable for gaming but probably much better on this monitor
1:35:58right well said here that yeah and I i worried about it for other games too
1:36:03like Zelda games have had some stuff to do a little bit of transparency and you
1:36:07know it has not been a problem with any games a lot of that hundreds and
1:36:11hundreds of hours of game done this TV and maybe some of the jurors complaining
1:36:17stretching for way through the crime i watch that i say i make my kids wash out
1:36:22there watching full house standard death and they can stretch it a watch full
1:36:27house reruns or that the show looks awful in any in any aspect ratio it out
1:36:34now