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102: Marco Is Not a Platform

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0:00:00it so you want to some follow-up we can start with handwriting recognition which

0:00:12I'm assuming is more of John's follow-up yeah I don't know why none of us thought

0:00:17of this fairly because for all westerners the one thing we didn't talk

0:00:21about with iPads and styluses or style I is that handwriting recognition is good

0:00:29text input with a with a pen is good for people who don't write with fuhrman

0:00:34characters who have tons and tons of characters Chinese Japanese span the

0:00:38button to those with the keyboard because I had this crazy multi-level

0:00:41keyboards but you you know that one kidnap another time another work your

0:00:46way down to the actual character you want to combine multiple task to make

0:00:49one thing where these people know how to draw up with you just gave him a penny

0:00:52so you can recognize that it's actually way more convenient to trying to use a

0:00:56keyboard so that I mean I don't know if that's harder or easier than recognizing

0:01:01harder than recognizing you know regular room characters that we have but it's

0:01:07definitely if you can get it to work it's definitely more convenient for the

0:01:11person in putting the characters than hunting through some crazy keyboard yeah

0:01:15absolutely I will say that

0:01:18friend a friend of mine will hands he had shown me he lives in tokyo despite

0:01:24having grown up in Australia and he has shown me the Japanese keyboard I'm sure

0:01:29there's like a name poorly kanji or something like that that's probably

0:01:31wrong tool but anyway he showed me the Japanese keyboard which involves your

0:01:34drawing these little characters on the bottom of the screen very much like the

0:01:39palm was way back in the day and as someone who has never seen it before it

0:01:44was amazing it was extremely cool and i could see how having a styles make it

0:01:47that much better spent on the chat rooms telling us that

0:01:52very few people right with characters these days most most of the young people

0:01:55because everything is digital just deal with the crappy and systems so it could

0:02:00be that everyone gets over this and they forget how to write their traditional

0:02:03characters I don't know I mean like we've been getting on the people on the

0:02:07forums have been getting along without this for a long time with these these

0:02:10various acts of keyboards that hierarchies to them are proceeding like

0:02:14systems for you do a series of strokes to sort of narrow down and you know

0:02:17that's kind of like auto complete for individual characters which represented

0:02:20tire wear their ideas so we may be are already be passed as ronald was worried

0:02:30someone from the Far East to come on the program and tell us whether you like but

0:02:34it's hard to say how to talk about this later when we talk about Apple's

0:02:38earnings how things playing countries other than the United States and what

0:02:41those markets really want and it's very difficult to tell how much of what Apple

0:02:46does is influenced by people and cultures that we know nothing about yeah

0:02:51absolutely I as a quick aside Marco tips car has the eye Dr handwriting

0:02:57recognition is that correct it does yes do you use than ever I tried it I think

0:03:02once and I and it was it was really worth it because it was it was actually

0:03:07slower than just using the wheel around picking letters yet another character in

0:03:111908 the character anyway and it recognizes it and just be cut because of

0:03:17the the leg and hearing those steps it just wasn't really any faster than using

0:03:22the wheel so I just use the wheel now when I drove her car off I mean it's not

0:03:27a one-to-one comparison but it was the closest that I can think of off the top

0:03:32of my head you could possibly argue it's better for safety that you're not

0:03:35looking at the screen as much in practice that's not true in practice it

0:03:38is just as distracting as using the wheel and you start to look at the

0:03:41screen just as much so I just tried to enter navigation directions while in

0:03:46moving that seems like the smartest approach yeah right so we had a very

0:03:50interesting email from Matt Chandler and I really wanted to talk about this and

0:03:55then I thought well maybe that's mean of me and then someone else who was not

0:04:00mean I'm guessing is not Marco added it to the show no

0:04:03his wife margot should look at the shadows before this question is directed

0:04:08damn oh you picked out this one oh boy ok so from Matt Chandler I listened to

0:04:16Marco on the talk show the episode now it's all floppy where he discussed how

0:04:20Apple's feedback system is quote extremely hostile quote because among

0:04:24other reasons you get no feedback a response from Apple when you file a

0:04:27radar I was surprised by this is some of my friends and I have filed bug reports

0:04:30were overcast both your twitter twitter an email and have never received

0:04:34feedback any feedback no formal response tweet or favourite on Twitter this

0:04:39didn't bother me as I didn't expect a response but I wondered why Marco called

0:04:42this behavior by Apple extremely hostile while he takes the same approach with

0:04:46overcast es overcast smaller but it certainly received much less feedback as

0:04:50well thanks to the great show and market thanks to the great work on a protest I

0:04:54can answer this one of you want the reason I'm here is not because

0:04:57necessarily about Marco had to answer but I feel like anybody answer Casey do

0:05:00you wanna answer Marco I know can answer and I can answer it can anyone in the

0:05:04audience not answer this I mean I'd I'll be curious to hear both of your answers

0:05:11to me it seems pretty obvious that even in operation the size of overcast if if

0:05:18one were to acknowledge every single bug requested report and feature requests

0:05:23that that would be a tremendous mountain of just thanks and ok and I got it and

0:05:30do and its letters and I just I can see why Marco wouldn't want to do that but

0:05:36mark but the difference is Marcos business isn't already feel like this

0:05:41week argument but Marquez businesses in to make other people's bug reports his

0:05:47job where is when when you're providing developer tools that kind of is your job

0:05:53John what was your answer john hasn't well I think Matt Chandler knows the

0:05:57answer to yes overcast smaller you think that a little bit slower than Apple may

0:06:02be a little bit smaller than a bond that share more we have checked Marcos

0:06:04earnings for this year to see if their old in eighteen billion dollars in

0:06:09profit this quarter and sank you double check I didn't quite hit that target yes

0:06:14overcast a smaller but it certainly seems much less feedback about exactly

0:06:18it is smaller and proportionately receives I see how much smaller than

0:06:22Apple is overcast and what proportion of this thing you know so that's one thing

0:06:27I was recognized one person he would spend all day all this time to stand

0:06:31apart in the second case already covered it is not a platform is not publishing

0:06:36API is for people to write code against Turkey has no developers there is no

0:06:40overcast Developer Program there's no Marco Arment developer program you know

0:06:44people are not paying for a membership to a thing to be supported you're merely

0:06:48customers sending a report now all that said that's not to say that he shouldn't

0:06:53give responses or responses personal responses or whatever to the degree that

0:06:58he feels like he can do sort of the dangle jacket I give you amazing

0:07:02exceptional customer support he should by all means that is a good thing to do

0:07:06that but on the list of priorities responding to every single bug report

0:07:11and giving it acknowledged that it was received

0:07:15are probably pretty low for a one-person shop that's doing all the stuff that

0:07:19Marco is doing so i don't i don't say it like he shouldn't send responsible

0:07:25shouldn't expect one but the explanation for why there was no response and why he

0:07:30might say it's extremely hospital for Apple tonight send response is fairly

0:07:33clear its hostile for Apple because Apple does not have any constraints that

0:07:38would make it have to be such a big black hole

0:07:40we know that mean look at a preview their hiring people to look at every

0:07:45single these

0:07:47Gillian apps that come in if Apple want to do this and it and it is a priority

0:07:51to have more than enough money and resources and expertise to do this so

0:07:57that's why it's hot sale for Apple because from a political choices like

0:08:01prioritization of something that we think should be much more important

0:08:03doubtful that it is and we know they have the resources doin Marcus case you

0:08:07could still be angry at him because he got exceptional support but they're

0:08:10one-person operation because they value support more than he does but if Marco

0:08:13shifts to to do support differently he's got to pull from someplace else so what

0:08:18other part of marcos business do you think he should sacrifice to make sure

0:08:21that everybody is that the bug report gets a reply

0:08:24you know that's the user tradeoffs that he makes and you can argue whether the

0:08:28right tradeoffs whether you like that kind of company but I don't think you

0:08:31should be confused about why Marco can call Apple extremely hostile for doing

0:08:36the same thing he does because he's not happen they're so different than

0:08:39different standards apply to Marco this is gonna be possible controversial not

0:08:47that I should be that surprised or anybody who knows me by surprise by me

0:08:51producing something about to say with that there should be good wait let me go

0:08:56make some popcorn hold that thought the the sad truth is that it is not worth

0:09:02answering your email

0:09:04you at you plural not like you know you this guy you everybody in general on

0:09:09average it is not worth insuring your email let me go into why that is I don't

0:09:14say this to be a jerk I'm saying this literally as like it just simple time

0:09:20constraints and economics so so here's how this works this morning so usually I

0:09:26go to the overcast feedback email in the evening or or like before bed on the

0:09:33iPad along with you a lot there because I respond to almost none of it really

0:09:39almost none I respond two maybe three or four emails a day from that account

0:09:44since last night when I last cleared out I've received two hundred and seven and

0:09:50they're still three more hours today before I got a bit I expect to receive

0:09:54may be tuned and 2,250 we'll see what happens

0:09:57that's that's pretty pretty typical most as ever I receive between 60 and 200 I'm

0:10:02going to mourn out there is there some stink bugs I'm trying to squash when you

0:10:06buy my amp so i'm i'm a one-person company I blogged about how much I made

0:10:10it was like a hundred and sixty thousand before expenses and taxes and all that

0:10:14stuff last year so you know that's really what I make it it's like it's one

0:10:18developers good salary it's not stunningly great it's just a good

0:10:22developer salary for the level experience I have that's not so much

0:10:26that would make a lot of financial sense for me to hire a support person for

0:10:31instance like you know and and I tried I have tried outsourced support services

0:10:35in the past I've had very mixed results with them and I question whether that

0:10:41whether that was money well spent at all

0:10:44I could also attempt to answer more emails by using text expander to make

0:10:50make my few like form answers and just send those to everybody and I did that

0:10:53for the first couple of months of overcast and I question whether that's

0:10:57better than not answering them at all because and and I should point out that

0:11:02they had a similar conversation as a few months back

0:11:05is is it something that you're pretty sure he is like a forum responsive

0:11:10template response is that actually better than no response at all it is is

0:11:15a response that is clearly insincere and I didn't put all the time into is that

0:11:19really a good thing like it that's that's a pretty bad as well

0:11:24the simple fact is when you get two hundred support emails a day and you're

0:11:29one person and you know my job is not answering email my job is making the

0:11:33product making it work for everybody and responding to emails supporting this is

0:11:38email in general

0:11:39responding to email is one of the least time efficient things you can do it

0:11:44really like and of course invariably why you respond you know who you responding

0:11:48to and for what

0:11:49but in general responding to email is is an extremely inefficient use of limited

0:11:56time because you are taking your time to produce something that's only ever gonna

0:12:02go to one person whereas if you like if I spent that time instead fixing the

0:12:07bugs that everyone's complaining about them than to fix for everyone and and or

0:12:13you know or if I can make the product better in some way for everyone that's

0:12:17how that's way better use of that time then responding to every email

0:12:21one-by-one saying thanks reporting looking into it or things on that to fix

0:12:24the state's the next version of the universe is pending approval like it's

0:12:28so it's such a better use of time in an ideal world you have time to do both I

0:12:33recognize that but this is not an ideal world this is reality and reality when

0:12:37you're when you have an app that is free up front and at the most you can ever

0:12:41hope to make from somebody is $3.50 before tax it's really hard to justify

0:12:46spending a ton of time

0:12:49on answering individual emails and I knew that going into it and you

0:12:53therefore Instapaper so the entire app is designed in such a way that it sets

0:12:59expectations accordingly you'll notice in the app nowhere does it say support

0:13:05it only says feedback and on the feedback link first before lets you

0:13:11email it it shows you a page with an FAQ and known bugs and what's being fixed in

0:13:15this version with it so to speak to try to address what you're about to tell me

0:13:20so maybe don't tell me maybe you can help yourself maybe you can save

0:13:24yourself the time sending that email certainly is the time to read it or

0:13:27insert and its and it says right there I will read every email which by the way

0:13:34even that takes a lot more tonight that I would have expected when I wrote that

0:13:39I read every email and I sailor every man but I also say I just one person

0:13:45with limited time and so I cannot guarantee response and the results that

0:13:52is I respond to most of them it because I literally don't have the time I would

0:13:57so much rather spend that time fixing the bugs and making the appt better for

0:14:02everyone then responding to one person and I know that sounds corny I know that

0:14:06sounds harsh but that's the reality that's like what you're paying so little

0:14:11for apps that's kind of part of it that kinda had what you have to expect from

0:14:15that like that's all involved in this and so the reason I don't answer my

0:14:21email most of the time is because it's not because I'm a jerk as at least in my

0:14:26opinion and you can make your own evaluation of that it's not because I'm

0:14:29trying to be a jerk it's because it is really I decided it really is just an

0:14:34incredibly bad use of time and I know it's not going to please everybody but I

0:14:39think it will please the most people overall for me to be doing things that

0:14:43make you a better for everyone

0:14:44rather than spending three hours a day answering him oh I don't remember if

0:14:49I've ever told the story publicly but I feel like I have I have a couple of

0:14:55thoughts first I remember vividly that I

0:14:59when we you and I kind of got reacquainted so to speak as we were old

0:15:04friends kinda fell out of touch not an angry way just fell out of touch and

0:15:07then we were starting to get back in touch and I would send emails to

0:15:11periodically and this was when number was really starting to take off and

0:15:15Marco Arment was starting to become like a thing more than it was just a person

0:15:20and I would send you emails Marco and I would never get a reply or I would get a

0:15:25reply

0:15:26really really late I remember one time and I were on our way to New York when

0:15:30this was when you ended up visiting you at we were on our way to New York to

0:15:34visit and I think I tweeted about it or something like that and you were like

0:15:37wait you're on your way to New York and I said yes I emailed you about that like

0:15:41two months ago you said you did God didn't annoy me so much at the time but

0:15:47then fast forward a few years and suddenly I'm on a podcast and weekend

0:15:54email oh did we get email in fact we even got an email about how we tell

0:15:59people not to send us email which actually made some really good points

0:16:04but I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of it but anyway in so I don't

0:16:11know how to explain it other than however email however much email that

0:16:16you the listener gets there's a decent chance that those of us on the show

0:16:22get more than that and marco gets more than that still and the other thought I

0:16:26had is how many shows across how many podcasts have talked about how email is

0:16:33such a problem there was that wonderful episode of hello internet I think Mike

0:16:37and I have talked about this on analog God knows that Merlin has talked about

0:16:40this constantly and and for good reason

0:16:44the reason everyone complains and moans about email is because email is kind of

0:16:50an inherently selfish thing that nobody really deliberately signs up for it it

0:16:55just kind of happens to them and and so how you deal with that you know you do

0:17:02the best you can and that's when Marcos doing yeah that's that's really it like

0:17:06again I'm not trying to be a jerk by not responding to most of the email I get

0:17:10it's like it's almost like a defense mechanism I have to defend the night

0:17:15time attention because if I did respond all that email all these bug fixes and

0:17:20improvements and things I'm making would all take longer to come out and I

0:17:25wouldn't be able to do as much you could spend their entire day just an email

0:17:30because remember that email once you respond now you're engaging with that

0:17:33person and Mike from that person's perspective assist them and you want

0:17:36from your perspective you're holding now 200 simultaneous conversations

0:17:40maintaining state in each of those conversations remember who that person

0:17:43is a mother said previously imagined you know you gonna do 200 emails support

0:17:48emails today if you responded all two hundred 200 send a response back then

0:17:52the tomorrow starting you know two hundred and you start responding to the

0:17:55like you will spend 100% of your time conversing over email for a with people

0:18:00who have problems with your $5 application right and you were just one

0:18:05person and chat rooms I'm describing a CRM says yes when you have a staff of

0:18:09people you can do that but for a small business there's one person doing all

0:18:14the work if that one person said I really need to support my customers

0:18:19that's all that one person would ever do they were never fix a bug never write a

0:18:24new version for program never create a program never do anything else never do

0:18:27a podcast never have any sort of extracurricular activities they were

0:18:30just spend all their waking hours conversing with individuals over email

0:18:33about the problems they're having with their application and never have any

0:18:36time to investigate and so it may be to say well you should expand your company

0:18:40should have one person company or whatever but like the Georgian this

0:18:43question is about hypocrisy of how can you say so angry about Apple doing

0:18:47something that you yourself do different context that the conditions are entirely

0:18:53different therefore the conclusions are absolutely and and the input that the

0:18:57email gives me is very valuable like the by by the emails alone the emails can

0:19:04help me decide if I have a few big feature that I wanna do next

0:19:08the emails decide what comes first

0:19:10and decide things like for example I've mentioned it a couple times my big

0:19:15feature plan over this winter was to do streaming and I started screaming a

0:19:20little bit last fall and I haven't worked on it since for two reasons

0:19:24number one is that they're just keeps the keeping other things that keep

0:19:26coming up

0:19:27bug fixes sync issues watch get the fight that but the number two is that by

0:19:33reading the email and by reading all the tweets which is even more even more big

0:19:37stuff coming in that way I can see very clearly that streaming is not what I

0:19:44should be doing next what I need to be doing next

0:19:46which is what I am doing next is auto delete control there right now the actor

0:19:52that's how I listened and I don't care like once I'm done with it and everyone

0:19:56here again like that's it I'm done and I thought that's how the app could always

0:20:00work to keep things very simple with like the different states an episode can

0:20:04be in and things like that a lot of things very simple that is by far and

0:20:08away the number one request the number one complaint and the number one reason

0:20:12people choose not to use my app is I don't have that control the finer

0:20:16control over over whether something get deleted or not and when it gets deleted

0:20:19by far that's way more important than streaming based on what people are

0:20:24telling me what they've been telling you for months and so you know I wouldn't

0:20:28have known that had it not been for the email at the same time I get I would say

0:20:33literally 40 emails a day about the head for a while and all them it took hours

0:20:40it takes longer just to read them even that like and I said I read all my email

0:20:45I'm not necessarily sure that will be the case you see a future in which I say

0:20:51I can't even keep up with the reading at all anymore but even that like reading

0:20:56it takes probably probably order of magnitude less time than responding to

0:21:02it and even that's hard to keep up with that's how much you talking about

0:21:08that's something that's a little more positive than how much he held the Hawks

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0:24:35player thing and little music players embedded in and they are absolutely

0:24:38crazy good crazy it reminded me of something that John Roderick would make

0:24:43because you know they both have the same similar kind of boys to belittle beardy

0:24:46and how does how does one sound basis up there there's a song called

0:24:54just because he talks over though in this music I listen to them and tell me

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0:25:04the money well so we had another piece of feedback from Alberto and John would

0:25:12you like to talk about this this is a question we get lots of questions in the

0:25:17same vein most of the questions are like I'm just starting out in field acts and

0:25:22you people have some experience GLX how do I get started so on and so forth this

0:25:26is a little bit of indirectly related to some Albertos he says listen to episode

0:25:31101 about how Marco just quote when 10 learned unquote a new computer language

0:25:37and he was wondering how you go about learning something so complex so complex

0:25:41by yourself in a short time to just sit there was a text book and start reading

0:25:44the open up appalling try and see what's what he wants to expand his very simple

0:25:50programming skills in any tips you will give will help this whole vein of

0:25:54feedback where people want advice on how to get better at them something they

0:25:59think we know how to do better than they currently know how is always very

0:26:03difficult people always ask me recommendations of things to do our

0:26:07books to read and I wish I had to go to answer them but I don't but for this

0:26:11specific answer Marco answered I think there is an exploration of how marco was

0:26:16able to pick up go in such a short period of time where can i interject

0:26:20before that happens we get this notice I didn't wait for your answer we get to

0:26:24his question constantly we get this question how what should I look I want

0:26:29to learn to program where should I start or alternatively I'm about to start iOS

0:26:33development should I learned swifter Objective C and we get this question so

0:26:38darn often that I actually wrote a very short blog post about it and it's only a

0:26:42couple paragraphs will put it in the show notes but suffice it to say I think

0:26:46the key phrase that blog post which conveniently is in bold is find a

0:26:51problem to solve and then solve it using the most appropriate tools and that's

0:26:56really all comes down to as far as I'm concerned and I think the market is

0:26:59about to tell you that that's kind of the path that he followed when learning

0:27:02go

0:27:04yeah that's that's pretty much it so I mean first of all if you only know one

0:27:09language and if you're new to programming or if you don't know any

0:27:11programming languages yet this sounds like a bigger deal than it really is

0:27:15once you know a lot like when when you've been programming for long enough

0:27:19you start realizing specially if you're exposed to other languages you start

0:27:22realizing that there there are a lot more similar than you think there's a

0:27:25lot of overlap usually that the differences are really relatively minor

0:27:30and come down to like minor syntax details and then the available

0:27:34libraries were built in the language of the devil for it so the names of things

0:27:38you're calling might be different the symbols that you're using for certain

0:27:41things might be different but you're kinda doing the same kinds of things are

0:27:44at least a lot of overlap of the concepts carry-over and so learning a

0:27:48new language really is it's it's it's nothing like winning a human language I

0:27:55mean I know they have similar concepts to but there's a lot there's a much

0:27:58higher learning curve for like human spoken languages there more keywords

0:28:02yeah they're a lot more complex like going between programming languages is a

0:28:08lot simpler than it sounds

0:28:10if you if you're on a programmer or if you're new at it you know it sounds like

0:28:13a lot but it's really not and then and yet the way I learned a ton of everyone

0:28:20does this by the way I learned is basically I have a problem that they

0:28:24need to solve in a language that then I that I that both the language as well

0:28:27suited for and that I'm very motivated to do so you know when the App Store

0:28:32came out just to see and I learned that the frameworks around cocoa and and you

0:28:36like it because I really want to make the Instapaper iOS app and that's that

0:28:41was going to do it so I did it and I guess about the room and what that looks

0:28:46like something would go like I I figured out I had his problems and you mean

0:28:49before I tried no I didn't know the exact same keep his place just a little

0:28:53bit more new JavaScript somewhat but I had this problem that that my existing

0:28:59tool kit was not very well suited to solve and I knew that many other

0:29:04languages would've been WAY better at it as we discussed in the show I'd heard

0:29:07good things about these why I picked them and I just started plowing through

0:29:12so go go has a pretty good online tutorial bolanger org

0:29:17a programming tutorial and actually the problem that I was solving of like

0:29:23basically being being a feed crawler one of their examples on their site is a web

0:29:29crawler that's so it acts and so my my designer that it is actually based on

0:29:35its not very long it was pretty to base on but a lot of a lot of the concepts of

0:29:39like how do I make it like you know print status every second to the log

0:29:43file and stuff like that I know how do I track what it's doing it like imagine

0:29:48the concurrency aspect and all that stuff that all came from that example

0:29:51for you know I built on that I made up my own but honestly in general the way

0:29:58to start a new language if we said before is really just have a project

0:30:01that you're motivated to do it you know if you if you if you just say I want to

0:30:06make an iPhone app just in general and you don't really know what you don't

0:30:08have a specific in mind you wanna make it happen because you heard making it

0:30:12makes money thing that's going to be hard to get into it it's much easier if

0:30:17you have a specific idea of something that you really want to see something

0:30:20that you really want to make that's way easier to start with that because then

0:30:24you're motivated to basically just start just plow through it that relate and

0:30:29Nash that's exactly how I do it I didn't read a book I just plant there now you

0:30:33know when I used to a language I used to read books like when I was in high

0:30:36school and college now there's so many great resources on the Internet

0:30:40there's a there's tutorials online there's no there's there's places like

0:30:44her second sponsor lynda.com which I'll get to in a sec it because there's also

0:30:50some online documentation there's there's walkers and there's a so much

0:30:56available online that stack overflow has been amazingly helpful in this regard

0:31:02there's just so much about online now that you can just can't start just like

0:31:06start plowing through early start with a tutorial and just start building it into

0:31:11what you wanted to be and that's and you'll you'll pick up a lot along that

0:31:16path like you learn as you go

0:31:18you can do it or you can read a book I've never found it very helpful but a

0:31:22lot of people do it just learned but in general the way to learn is to just

0:31:27start plowing through the only a lad is that the specific question of how we go

0:31:33about learning something so complex in short amount of time both of us have

0:31:37been programming for a living for a long time now and that the way we do it in

0:31:42such a short time is as Marco said we recognize the similarities between

0:31:46programming languages and so we have a leg up on someone who's like programming

0:31:50what's that you know we don't have to relearn the concepts of you know what's

0:31:56a variable what the loop the conditional like stuff like that we don't have to

0:32:00relearn anything about it functions or you know now that we all know something

0:32:06like blocks or whatever the closures and we don't have to relearn those concepts

0:32:10just how are those concepts implemented in this particular language if you're

0:32:13starting from zero you will have to you will somehow have to learn these basic

0:32:18concepts right but your second language will be able to learn quicker than your

0:32:22first and third language we have ever learn even quicker so that's how they

0:32:26not like a technique of how do we go about learning something complex it's

0:32:30because we are no a bunch of similar things so it's very fast right to pick

0:32:34up something but Casey will talk about it like alright well assume you could

0:32:38pick up the language it's still not gonna stick on our brains of this we use

0:32:41it to actually solve a problem because it'll just be like I mean I don't know

0:32:45about you but I like I can read entire book on a language which I've done in

0:32:49the past but if I don't use it to write a program of any significance that just

0:32:52leaves my brain and it's like yeah I can recognize it when I see it and he remind

0:32:56me I'll be like oh yeah but it doesn't stick unless you use it so you know

0:33:01what's the trick the trick is to be a programmer for ten to twenty years first

0:33:05thing you'll be able to pick up new languages fairly quickly unless it's

0:33:07really weird language and you don't know the concepts like we tried to learn

0:33:10something like I probably don't know a lot of the concepts that are involved in

0:33:13Haskell so my first job there would be like I can't just pick up because I have

0:33:16no analog scientific concepts that are not in a language that I know are in

0:33:21Haskell early or something and then when they get a concept then becomes yet

0:33:27entirely true and and kinda billion what you were saying oh reads say and as

0:33:31hipster and as of late and as hipsters been entirely in swift and I've barely

0:33:37written any swift in my life but I can still read it reasonably well because I

0:33:44can pick out bits and pieces that remind me of other languages in kind of what

0:33:50what this stuff is doing so I can look at it I can look at it and say oh that

0:33:53looks like JavaScript that's probably what they're doing there are 0 that

0:33:57looks a lot like C sharp I know exactly what's going on here in of course that

0:34:02looks like Objective C

0:34:03well I know what that means and so you can take this really nice and broad

0:34:11foundation especially as you get more and more experienced and apply that to

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0:37:25once again so Apple made a little bit of money last quarter I i'm shocked I know

0:37:31I thought they were on the ropes I thought that Apple was doomed but

0:37:36seemingly not yes Apple made a metric ton of money is I believe the official

0:37:42measurement that I have been quoted I I don't even know

0:37:46what to say about this it's a tremendous amount of money and in Apple is doing

0:37:52really really well and I don't know what to make of it its even as someone who is

0:37:58very near to the Apple ecosystem as we talked about very recently in fact it's

0:38:04odd for me to see Apple doing this well like what what's not going well

0:38:10financially for them these days anything i mean even even a a tiny part of

0:38:18Apple's business like the iPod business for instance even that is doing

0:38:22amazingly relative to many other companies had heard the people mentioned

0:38:28the amount of money they lost due to currency fluctuations this quarter was

0:38:34like Google's and higher quarterly profit that like they just making any

0:38:41money I mean honestly I don't think it's that interesting from the money

0:38:43perspective I think what's what's more interesting and even even then only

0:38:47mildly what's more interesting is looking at the trends of like how well

0:38:52things like the iPhones and iPads are selling how do what what is the growth

0:38:56curve look like you are they are accelerating and I think what we're

0:38:59seeing right now we're seeing that the iPhone 66 + for just massive hits and I

0:39:07think we all kind of knew that already but its to see it to see it like you

0:39:11know officially recorded in you know in the totals here is really something to

0:39:16see you like they have made and they have made very strong inroads into other

0:39:21markets Asia and the NL to into the Android Market with the iPhone six and

0:39:27six plus I think its financial stories are mostly interesting in the way they

0:39:35sort of

0:39:37highlight Apple's impotence not that that's the main story the main story we

0:39:43hear the main stories like to make a lot of money than everyone you know chatter

0:39:47and it makes a lot of the stock and all this thought they were going to sell

0:39:51things that make me look at the trends our the max 2012 unlike I think I've

0:39:55seen all those stories and there have been some good ones about that but when

0:40:00I always think about when two things one company's unhappily any company has

0:40:05these big earning one as the old cat mofo that success Heights problems and

0:40:11so when you see massive success you think boy that much success can hide a

0:40:15hell of a problem if you can have just dinosaur size problems eighteen billion

0:40:22dollars like what kind of problem could eighteen billion dollars not high right

0:40:25and so that's what I think about it the second thing is the frustration of it's

0:40:30kind of like in the same city of those sort of like simulation games with an

0:40:35economy where eventually you break the game and you essentially have unlimited

0:40:40funds right and yet there are things even with unlimited funds there are

0:40:44things you can't do because the analogy breaks down but I think with all this

0:40:50money is all this money is not enough for them to buy their way to you know

0:40:59whatever you want a pic to do network services as well as Google or Facebook

0:41:04to be able to hire and retain the world's best talent bike there there are

0:41:10some money problems that throwing money out of them just will not solve right

0:41:14and that must be frustrating this is like how do you get how do you get these

0:41:20things that we need to get what do we need the most companies like all the

0:41:23only had more money but in a place like know we have all the money in the

0:41:26freaking world why can we not turn this money into insert thing that Apple feels

0:41:30that is lacking in from the outside but there are many things that we feel our

0:41:33balls licking and

0:41:34on the inside about the main thing I think they're lacking is how can we get

0:41:38people get really good employees because we all know what it's like Apple and any

0:41:44large organization everyone can be in charge at Apple

0:41:48some people have more of a say what the company does another its hierarchy every

0:41:52you know Corporation is a hierarchy and so how can you get all of the world's

0:41:57best people you could only get all the world's best people who want to work for

0:42:00a company and only a certain number of those can never rise to position apple

0:42:03with a charger anything it really smart people want to be in charge of something

0:42:06because they raised more people so that's what people come to Apple get

0:42:09experience and start their own companies do their own thing that maybe they come

0:42:13back like it's frustrating to to see Townley viewing go to other companies

0:42:19are going to start that's kind of the nature of the business and so that's

0:42:22what makes you think about all these giant mountain of money as if I was at a

0:42:26place like how do we transform this money into improvements in our products

0:42:31and services and we all we do in the show's talk about all the areas where

0:42:34Apple's week and I think of every one of those areas and almost all those areas

0:42:38money may may you know to be necessary but is clearly not sufficient because it

0:42:44was money they would be great at everything because they have block

0:42:50orders before they just a massive amount of money in the bank they have a massive

0:42:54amount of money like they could you know it's like just pay all your employees

0:42:57five million dollars a year

0:42:59done and then all your place they retire on the five million dollars well we

0:43:05destroy the company with money that was really bad guys actually becoming

0:43:10Brewster's Millions a reference that neither one of you get because you

0:43:12weren't born but the movie no means understand the problem that Apple has

0:43:20yes Apple is Richard Pryor in this analogy

0:43:23prior to see now I actually want to watch this guy I think you're a mean

0:43:27there's there's just a lot of problems that money either can't solve or makes

0:43:34worse or isn't sufficient enough to solve and and most I mean I would say

0:43:38looking looking at what we identified apple's problems from the outside and

0:43:43then assuming that there are at least partially true it seems like apples two

0:43:49biggest problems are getting a retaining good talent number one and number two

0:43:54just like organizational inertia of likes the way things are set up the way

0:43:59like you know departments are structured the way the incentives are like I

0:44:03honestly I think anyone interested in in the quality problems or perception of

0:44:11them whether you think they're really not i mean you should listen to this

0:44:15week's episode of debug which is needed and on my part 3 and they talk about

0:44:22this I talked about like these accusations of quality issues and it was

0:44:28interesting to hear i mean partially I I think they were actually especially need

0:44:34not sure I think they were actually quite defensive but it's it was little I

0:44:40had mixed emotions listening to it but it gives a lot of insight into the way

0:44:46things are done at Apple and and they don't work there anymore but they were

0:44:52there fairly recently and they were there for some fairly recent releases

0:44:55and the way things are done it sounds a lot like all the high priority bugs tend

0:45:03to get fixed but there's not a lot of time left for the less high-priority

0:45:07bugs but every company works like I haven't listened yet it seemed like you

0:45:11but like they probably defensive figures like what they're not saying whether

0:45:14they realize it or not is you know it's like man to get anything done time to

0:45:19companies do X Y and Z and when you're telling me that I should be doing this

0:45:22is like well but you can't because like Apple the structure of Apple becomes the

0:45:26sixth thing and it's like to get anything done within the structure you

0:45:30have to do this maybe that means within a structure the only thing you can do is

0:45:33get the high priority boxes because then you can get someone higher up to pay

0:45:36attention to you and you can make a priority for Team you can get it done

0:45:39you can't work within the system so really what they're angry about when

0:45:43they're being defensive is they're angry the system into which their place and

0:45:47then they're put into the system and told now get things done and they would

0:45:51like to do what they think is the right thing but within the system you have to

0:45:55work the system and who gets to change the system is to get back to you know

0:45:59who is in charge are the people in charge the best people to be in charge

0:46:03you can't have a company where people move up the ranks over many years and

0:46:06then realize this bike has no idea what he's doing get him out of there bring

0:46:10someone like people don't like it when you hire new people in above them they

0:46:13don't like but they bring in new people that say all the current people there

0:46:15don't know what they're doing

0:46:17change like that takes time because egos get bruised and people have to be kicked

0:46:20out of the company in like and if it's too much churn seems like a volatile

0:46:24place and it's not like all the problems of any human doing anything in a group

0:46:28are magnified in a corporate setting and that is the main sickness of all

0:46:32corporations and I would say Apple has done better than any other company to

0:46:36fight against the sort of corporate malaise to actually produce good

0:46:42products and they were rewarded with the big buckets of money but even those

0:46:46buckets of money can't cure all the sicknesses when the organization and no

0:46:50amount of money can make it so that people who want to be chief sunday wanna

0:46:54be your indians so you never gonna have all the best people they're always going

0:46:58to leave and do their own thing there are always going to be wrestle to do

0:47:00something else

0:47:01you know I still say it like that the most practical thing that I would do

0:47:05with the money is address its shortcomings that can that the money has

0:47:09the most effect on for example prioritizing network services and

0:47:13infrastructure you can throw money at that if if people learn that Apple is

0:47:18going to spend three hundred billion dollars trying to catch up to 20 Google

0:47:22and Amazon and Facebook and network infrastructure data center expertise

0:47:25a lot of people who have network infrastructure data center expertise but

0:47:28go work for Apple the right now those people don't want to travel because the

0:47:32idea that Apple is a place where those things are not prioritizing all the

0:47:35glory people are working on you like it or never and I mean that's like it seems

0:47:41like they're the two biggest problems in that area like what frustrates people

0:47:45who were there are the way the system is set up and the the the stress of working

0:47:53within that and like the deadlines like what you have in mind working on what

0:47:56you don't want to work on like from what I've heard from so many people in and

0:48:00out of Apple that that those are the two biggest problems it's like you know you

0:48:04might be like a lot of people they're very happy doing what they're doing but

0:48:08there's a lot of people there who can't get the time or the staff to fix the

0:48:13problem they want to fix and in a lot of people there who are you know fighting

0:48:18the good fight and working on things that need to be worked on but they don't

0:48:21get the support from above or the resources from above its kind of the

0:48:25same problem like it is not a higher priority for the company or its kind of

0:48:29stuck in this weird division somewhere maybe should be somewhere else or you

0:48:33know there's some like some roadblock in the middle of the hierarchy and it's

0:48:36making it hard for them or something like that there's there's an

0:48:40organizational challenges in Europe every company is gonna have problems

0:48:43like this that doesn't make them non problems and and really I mean like I i

0:48:48think i listened to debug it is it is encapsulated so well and even like when

0:48:56when roger was was attempting to argue against this point he was proving this

0:49:02point unknowingly because he liked what he saw his point of view is that he

0:49:08thinks this is like

0:49:10it's like a formulaic 681 Piper high-priority the P 16 p1 bugs and then

0:49:18we'll forget about this and then they proceeded to talk about how the p2 bugs

0:49:22hardly ever had everybody wants to work on the p2 bugs for the hardly ever

0:49:27allowed to because of the release cycle leading so little time and everything

0:49:30just about like is a high priority high priority we can't afford to work on it

0:49:34right now and so what are so I'm not feeling well when i send feeling a lack

0:49:40of quality here I'm not feeling 61 bugs I'm feeling 6,000 p2 bugs have

0:49:45accumulated over the last five years and are being dicks yeah I agree to say that

0:49:51the like this has had problems things that the reason you can't get

0:49:55prioritization Boston AP 20 whatever the reason you think like there you know

0:50:01that's not a party is a party is because if you were to ever be able to make your

0:50:06case you would say is we need to do this because of you that all the reasons they

0:50:14would say well I don't think we do this because XYZ and you have this argument

0:50:18it eventually would you come down to as you move your way up the ladder is like

0:50:21well obviously my my priorities as the boss are the correct ones because look

0:50:27as successful as Apple's been in the higher you go up in the company of the

0:50:30more the person can say well I understand the people below me might

0:50:34believe XYZ should be done but I believe it should be Q

0:50:38history has shown that I've been pretty right because Apple's been doing pretty

0:50:41well and like it's the sort of that's the ultimate success hides problem thing

0:50:45is that when you get into an argument about what people should be doing that

0:50:47you need more staff to test this and everybody can't be in charge again for

0:50:50the millionth time that people who are in charge and the people who are in

0:50:53charge

0:50:54always have that they're back Apple's must accompany the world we make the

0:50:58best products we have under percent customer center but he loves to make a

0:51:01billion dollars everybody's buying iPhones like they always had it sitting

0:51:04right behind them and so no matter what are you make based on a reason in the

0:51:08end and Indian leaders may be the most successful company in the world do you

0:51:12think the priorities I'm setting as as your boss or your boss's boss or your

0:51:16bosses bosses boss arrest and cook those parties the wrong priorities in what way

0:51:20are they wrong

0:51:21look how successful we are what criteria should we be judging ourselves on picket

0:51:25criteria pick a metric we are the best and you're saying oh that's not good

0:51:28enough because you can get people to bugs right that's that's excited

0:51:33problems that's what you run up against and if you're one of the lower down

0:51:36people and you can't commit the uppers it's like you do you agree that they

0:51:39kind of have a point and you become a company man who argue that doesn't have

0:51:42reliability problems a podcast or you leave the company and say well these

0:51:47people never gonna listen to me and whether they're right or not this is not

0:51:50the environment I wanna be in you leave you know speaking of podcasts that we

0:51:55haven't listened to yet at least I haven't friend of the show Ben Thompson

0:52:00was on the talk show this week and one of the things that I noticed in the

0:52:04notes was them talking about Apple employees have gone on sabbatical and

0:52:08then come back and and I know that both you guys to mention that a minute ago

0:52:12and then with regard to the PTU bugs marco was talking about I know I brought

0:52:17this up a couple episodes ago but the end he meant to shock interview on

0:52:20objective CIO he talks about that in indirectly but just talks about how the

0:52:25incredible pace and the priority of just getting new hardware and other super

0:52:30important things done

0:52:32prevents prevents them from working on the not as showy issues or major changes

0:52:40over time right right so both homework assignments if you're bored

0:52:45anything else on earnings other than that I want the bank account numbers for

0:52:51the hundred and seventy or whatever is billion dollars haven't heard the the

0:52:56call yet but I read in many places that they give a breakdown of six vs six plus

0:53:03but they merely just said the six sold their their sex plus you guys read that

0:53:07as well yeah that's that's what they said that that the six was the top

0:53:10seller in the line but they didn't say you know what the ratio was and they

0:53:15don't usually bring on the racially so I don't think we ever get good info on

0:53:18that I'm mostly interested in some of the don't say is that it's a pretty much

0:53:23anywhere they do say what what value is there or what would motivate them to

0:53:28tell us that the 60 more than the six bus right I don't know I mean it doesn't

0:53:34I can't I can't even think of like a cynical like making out here

0:53:38competitors like maybe they just don't know I don't understand why they would

0:53:43say that I think about why did you tell me that like I assumed it I i assumed to

0:53:48be for the phones were really sick result in this expose your not tell me

0:53:51how much better so just give me any actual information oh then like six sold

0:53:55more than six months but why you telling me this now it's funny I actually asked

0:54:00on Twitter why wouldn't they say that because I I was having a a dunce moment

0:54:05and it was like well why not you cares we're all friends right and immediately

0:54:12I got a thousand replies very gently telling me I'm an idiot a lot of the

0:54:17responses were well don't give your competitors anything in and that that

0:54:21makes sense and and and there was one or two others that were really good but it

0:54:26basically boils down to what you're saying John you know why why share that

0:54:30information what good does Apple what what benefits as Apple gained from

0:54:34sharing it

0:54:35yeah I mean I guess I have a break then things that it doesn't have to all the

0:54:38time but like product mix is one that Apple is almost never broken and I've

0:54:42always assumed as lots of reasons like you said that I always assume the reason

0:54:46they don't break it down is because

0:54:47they don't want to tell their competitors sort of like this is this is

0:54:52a mix of demand for these products so if you're going to make a line of phones

0:54:55this is roughly how many big ones this size and how many small in size you want

0:54:58to have right exactly like they just

0:55:01that's that's not the reason that's a reason reason I was thinking they're

0:55:05actually probably even better reasons why I mean some of their answer her

0:55:10question you have to ask questions all the time says no we're not going to tell

0:55:15you that is doing all the time why why decide to say that the six is not even

0:55:20in their name bragging about its not like I think that you're bragging

0:55:24they're not countering this story I don't think is their story out there

0:55:27that I don't i cant i cant figure it out but you know maybe they just you know

0:55:33they decided to throw the press a bone and tell them this begin with another

0:55:37bullet point for story but I don't think it put that on a particularly good or

0:55:39bad light anyway I have listened to the call yet to see what it was really like

0:55:43alright so there's been a little bit of rumblings lately which I was not aware

0:55:51of until somebody else pointed it out and in this case West start from

0:55:55Australia he or she said it might be worth revisiting the new photo app for

0:56:02Mac I remember you guys were pretty excited about it I have a daily Google

0:56:06Alert for all news about it it seems Apple have been removing references to

0:56:10it from their website that doesn't instill a lot of confidence

0:56:17digested I mean that's probably not a good sign in it also was funny to me

0:56:21semi related that somebody Press Tim Cook on whether or not on the earnings

0:56:26call whether or not the Apple watches really going to be released early in

0:56:312015 because it's apparently coming out in April and him said from what I gather

0:56:38well the way we think of it is the first third of the years early the middle

0:56:41third is just the middle third and the last 30 days late and so sure why not

0:56:47it's still early right we're all friends and I don't know just struck me as funny

0:56:51so are you guys concerned about the fact that that photos apparently may not be

0:56:57the photo app may not be a thing anymore

0:56:59well it seems like you know reading the tea leaves here and here in a few

0:57:04rumblings here in there I think the answer is not that the Photos app is

0:57:08cancelled or just late you know it was I believe didn't they say about the

0:57:14initial release date was like last fall but I think somebody else correct me

0:57:17recently and said it was also really 2015 it was always next year or so I

0:57:22think it was always to be 2015 sometime ok so you know if if that means by the

0:57:27end of April 2015 and they're certainly removing all these references to it I

0:57:32mean I it really does sound like based on you know a few things here and there

0:57:37is it from what I can tell it's just too late it's not lead there it's not it's

0:57:41not canceled and like i was wonder these stories of the sort of you know implied

0:57:47like the net dot dot dot

0:57:51those stories like will never say this means Apple is canceling it because the

0:57:55quick like that's the implication but they'd only want to imply they don't

0:57:58want to say it right and even speculate about it because my question would be

0:58:03alright if you're saying this because you think the photos after the neck is

0:58:07cancelled is it really a thing that you think would happen that Apple would

0:58:10cancel both iPhoto and aperture and aperture and there was no photo

0:58:16management I mean I suppose that could be a thing like by all means make that

0:58:20argument tell me why Apple does not want to be in the business of making you know

0:58:24first party photo management applications for your Mac anymore I

0:58:27would love to hear that argument but they will never make that argument they

0:58:30would just say that it's being pulled from the site and let you just worry

0:58:32about something so in the absence of someone making a compelling argument

0:58:35that Apple no longer wants to make photo apps which I bet you know if I had to

0:58:41make that are in my way I would say history has shown over the past several

0:58:44years Apple not great at making fun of management apps available didn't make

0:58:47any given away for free that would open up the market to third parties

0:58:50but then they'd start parties have to work with the authorities in the cloud

0:58:54and about 11 EPF that bob loved anyway I'm not saying it's totally ridiculous

0:58:57it could happen right I don't see anyone making that argument that is just like

0:59:01what software is late right what else is new

0:59:06me take care of that site just because it's kind of embarrassing to have it up

0:59:09there for a long time and not have it available and maybe you know the website

0:59:14too soon

0:59:15your screenshots of something that doesn't exist

0:59:18people can't get enticing them something like still selling a picture when it's

0:59:25canceled but that's not a good movie there and so this just seems like a

0:59:28correction if the stars that the next year I don't care just make it freakin

0:59:32work that's the thing I mean it's

0:59:35gets photos on your Mac that such an important thing like that's that's not

0:59:40something you can like mess with like I wouldn't if if it was a beta I wouldn't

0:59:44install it and even install the final version but seriously they just 22 the

0:59:53truck like I barely trust I photo of my photos and like this new system whatever

0:59:58it is I'm going to run in parallel with iPhoto for a long time before I trust ya

1:00:03I mean like whether I use it immediately and whether I like can trust with

1:00:08everything immediately will entirely depend on whether I can read its

1:00:12directory structure if I can read it back out and I can back it up with Time

1:00:17Machine LSW talked about months ago announced this I'll be comfortable using

1:00:21it if it doesn't have all those things it's gonna be a tough sell

1:00:25anyway we didn't actually get a bunch of this week so instead I decided to kind

1:00:30of throw this one to two conferences that are run by our friends and our

1:00:33really nice both happening in marks both happening hopefully I consulted CGP grey

1:00:39video it is ireland you i think

1:00:45the bottom half is anyway that's the bottom and video yeah me too

1:00:52yes so anyway you're gonna get so much email to review the two largest islands

1:00:57in the British Isles are Ireland and Great Britain Ireland has a two

1:01:00countries the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland while Great Britain

1:01:03mostly contains three England Scotland and Wales these last three when combined

1:01:06with northern ireland form the United Kingdom anyway

1:01:09Ennis Conference NFC conference dot com is an awesome conference that is in

1:01:14light Chester I think it's Leister

1:01:18like the boss and I'll you just kind of in the middle of get some help from the

1:01:23other was a good video of Americans pronouncing bridge place names should

1:01:28find its place esther lester like a creepy dude lester yes my bed here lies

1:01:35I was so smug I thought I really nailed it but I was anywhere is that march 16th

1:01:4018th and as conference dot com in Leicester UK speakers include some of my

1:01:47friends I just launched our dinner jacket pocket fosler sabino Jamie

1:01:51Newberry and a bunch more people who are not quite as well but it's a very very

1:01:53good list and I'll be speaking there as well I tend to speak at about one

1:01:58conference per year and wanted this one for a while and the schedule you've

1:02:03never worked out until this year and I'm very happy to finally work this out so

1:02:06check out as conference dot com also I apologize to casey Cumz he wants to go

1:02:12and probably won't go because baby stuff is hard and so so anyway it's you lol .

1:02:20I E

1:02:20this is March 30th and 31st in Killarney Ireland speakers include lots of people

1:02:26we know Jesus no guy English Dalrymple Georgia whiskas Trinity rene some guy

1:02:33named John or Jonathan Gruber think he's an economist and more

1:02:36go to you lol . I E that's pretty cool anyway so any conference and shout out

1:02:44of this week anyway what else so we're gonna get so much email and I'm not

1:02:50looking forward to it anyway I wanted to quickly talk about a tweet that I had

1:02:56seen retweeted by my friend Andre arco this week is by Gary Bernhardt the

1:03:03history of programming is much more about programmers unacknowledged

1:03:05emotional attachment to the miliary than it is about invention and the first

1:03:11thing I thought of when I read this tweet was Marcos insistence on sticking

1:03:15with PHP forever

1:03:17up until the difference though and Marcos defenses that you acknowledge

1:03:22your ridiculous insistence on this ridiculous language and rather than just

1:03:28stick your head in the sand although I guess maybe I should have thought of

1:03:31John first but since I don't feel like there's any so why do you think of me

1:03:35first

1:03:35pearl is fine you know why do you know anyone with his parole is the best

1:03:39language and a whole bunch of languages when go and art comes out when go comes

1:03:45out and all these new language come out I read all the documentation for the

1:03:48languages

1:03:49yes but the only one you really need like Marco said is pearl just dollar

1:03:54signs for everyone

1:03:55JavaScript where you work you'll find yourself writing jobs could have escaped

1:04:03the worst language everywhere looking rather I don't really have much to say

1:04:10other than I thought the to use cool it reminded me of you guys yeah that's

1:04:13that's true not just a programming language those shoe of anything I go

1:04:17again with any sort of group organization with a hierarchy where

1:04:24people are in charge there's going to be an attachment to the people in charge to

1:04:28the things that they are familiar with insist they're in charge they get to

1:04:31impose that everybody else

1:04:32and any attempt to change is met with resistance from the people who are

1:04:38attached to the things they're familiar with their specific instances and

1:04:43programming it whether it's specific language or technology or particular

1:04:47code base that people get attachments with in many cases specifically with TAC

1:04:53what's required is somebody who's not tech person to make a decision and

1:05:01posted on the tech people that's how you get situation that's how you get

1:05:05essentially Mac OS 10 right because Apple had also its next-generation

1:05:11operating system

1:05:12initiatives within its walls and there was none of them are focused enough and

1:05:19they were put under very difficult constraints they just couldn't get the

1:05:21job done he only way they could break out of that with they had to someone who

1:05:26is not a programmer who has no attachment to the Mac tool box or do

1:05:31anything involving classic Mac OS two come in and say we're doing something

1:05:36different because none of the people who were there in the trenches were going to

1:05:43do that because all those people who are experts in the current Mac operating

1:05:46system and they may have had a mission is to make a new operating system but

1:05:49they certainly had an attachment to the current one who takes care of an

1:05:51outsider and usually an outsider is not a tech person in this case the outsider

1:05:56was the CEO of the company who decided to purchase another company that came up

1:06:00with Steve Jobs and he did little inside-out takeover type thing those are

1:06:04the people who decided that there is an operating system with built in next that

1:06:07nobody you know inside the company working on a new kernel or whatever

1:06:12decided that next to be like there's a way out of this to you

1:06:19deal with an emotional attachment you have a duty to get a decision made by

1:06:23somebody has no emotional attachment of those things and you know who I didn't

1:06:29know it was going really old and has a CEO can you remember the CEO progression

1:06:33and Apple did not have an emotional attachment to classic Mac OS so the idea

1:06:37of you know using the Windows anti-crime are buying next are buying be ready

1:06:42those things he's not burdened by any emotional attachment to technologies are

1:06:46language is there anything having to do with the current technology stack that

1:06:52was kind of a crisis tunity though because it comes to going down the tubes

1:06:55the person can the person in charge is empowered to do that and again the

1:07:00success has problems who and Apple is empowered to make them change their

1:07:04priorities for network services anyone who has that sort of ability like

1:07:11there's no crisis causing it to happen at this point because for all the noise

1:07:15we make talking about app on their problems like then they turn these

1:07:18financial numbers and it's like tell me again why I have to totally change the

1:07:21way we do things are otherwise otherwise what happens if we don't we have another

1:07:24record quarter

1:07:25well you know blackberry was doing great in 2006 I know it's hard problems right

1:07:30to the point that it doesn't write and Apple especially because if Apple missus

1:07:34this fantastical earnings by just a little bit like oh god Apple's doom the

1:07:38only made sixteen billion and and last year they paid eighteen if they make

1:07:41sixteen billion this you know the same quarter next year they do know they made

1:07:45sixteen billion dollars in the quarter they're fine right so it's but people

1:07:48still go crazy over it so I guess that's kind of the upside I don't really talk

1:07:52about this but the upside of the crazy Apple blogosphere and the pundits who

1:07:57are like Apple is doomed to my what Apple does they they're about to be

1:08:01destroyed by whatever their competitor is that has actually manufactured crisis

1:08:07unity

1:08:08it's not real phantom I don't want to say it got a real problem but the

1:08:16perception that there is a problem is the only thing they ever give anybody

1:08:20inside Apple any sort of clout to make a you know to have a crisis that leads to

1:08:25an opportunity right otherwise if there were any other company would be like

1:08:29nothing ever changes ever doing great I don't understand why I would ever listen

1:08:35to you everything is fine and you know and just to put a little bit a nuanced

1:08:41on this like when I when I complain about Apple's quality problems or what I

1:08:45perceive as quality problems I'm not saying apples do they're not apples

1:08:50gonna be fine for a long time you know Apple's gonna be even if they have a bad

1:08:55patch it's gonna be a little bit like Microsoft is today which is like

1:08:59Microsoft is you know most of our estimations in this is there going

1:09:05through at their worst period ever right now they're still making tons of money

1:09:09on their still fine and there aren't making as much money necessarily as they

1:09:13could be or maybe as they were in the past I don't know about that but you

1:09:17know they're still even in this state of them producing things that don't do well

1:09:22in the market and things that tend to suck a lot or fail least they're still

1:09:27as a company and financially everything so fine it's not even funny and so you

1:09:33know Apple even if they had a colossal series of terrible moves and terrible

1:09:38products of flops in the marketplace which doesn't look gonna happen time

1:09:41soon even if that happened they have so much money coming in there are still so

1:09:48many people they're still gonna have such such great success

1:09:52relative to the market as a whole relative to other companies relative 20

1:09:56that they're gonna be fine so I'm not saying they're doomed I'm not even

1:10:02saying that they're gonna start making less money I don't know that you know

1:10:06who knows I do think though that as you know following the theme of success hide

1:10:11problems

1:10:13you can be selling tons and and and doing very well in profit in market

1:10:19share any kind of like you know money metric you want you want to measure and

1:10:23still not be making stuff that's good enough that is a different metric and

1:10:29and you can you can you know similar to how I said look you can lose the

1:10:33function on high ground without losing it to somebody else that you can just

1:10:36lose it yourself you can still be doing very very well you can still be making

1:10:41tons of money you can still be the market leader in whatever metric you

1:10:45choose to be despite that your stuff might not be as good as it could be or

1:10:51should be that is totally separate measure that often does not correlate to

1:10:55your market success I wasn't talking about you I was talking mostly about

1:10:59like like that there's bad assumptions arkla Ben Thompson who may or may not be

1:11:03in our chat room by gets the analysts who are like Apple has to come out with

1:11:07the network you know or other competitors in aggression they needed a

1:11:11lower price bones are going to destroy them in China like all these people who

1:11:14just don't understand out below their business and they're the people are

1:11:18manufacturing like the drama on the stock market with their price like that

1:11:23why Apple's PE ratio is not what it should be

1:11:26according to almost any rational thought it was like you know is this big article

1:11:31says open the shows like Apple is eternally I think I'm gonna said similar

1:11:36things really like on the edge of doom like I said like they're currently

1:11:46currently falling to earth they just keep missing it's a basic there in orbit

1:11:50right and it's not and this is from the people who matter like I'm in the

1:11:57financial markets like that and and everybody hates that you have a whole

1:12:01websites dedicated to just like him in the MacLab all he does is just here she

1:12:06has his just take down the these people who just have no idea what they're

1:12:10talking about a consular talk about Apple and seemingly having people listen

1:12:14to them but there is a benefit and the benefit is if that chatter gets loud

1:12:20enough it can be fuel for things to happen inside the company that otherwise

1:12:24wouldn't have been the only other fields are marked talked about that any good

1:12:26company and especially Apple knows don't let yourself be blackberry right don't

1:12:30make yourself don't miss the mobile revolution don't decide that a hardware

1:12:35keyboard is the way forward dammit like you can always get blindsided and had an

1:12:41apple to its credit and perhaps better than anyone else has been really good

1:12:45over the past decade or so about trying not to let that happen because I'm not

1:12:50resting at like that that's what the watch is all about is the watch the

1:12:52right thing Apple TV the right thing like these are things that Apple is

1:12:56trying they don't try a million things but they know we're going to you know i

1:13:00phone company forever that is not a viable strategy you end up as a

1:13:03blackberry eventually number I don't you know it may take a while but eventually

1:13:06happen if I had to pick out something that is dangerous to Apple right now I

1:13:10would pick out like we are something maybe there'll be a fluke and it's not a

1:13:14big deal but Apple should be worried about it should have contingency plans

1:13:18should be working in like maybe it's not a big deal maybe they are comes and goes

1:13:23and it's like you know we didn't need to be worried about it but doesn't they are

1:13:26coming to every seven or eight years I know you don't know but you never know

1:13:31what's gonna take maybe won't take now if you'd said like tablet computers he

1:13:35better be worried about that Apple when like 10 for Windows came out like that

1:13:39that the grid pad or whatever we gotta be very worried about this if you like

1:13:43what were they said no we don't need to worry that stupid and then it went away

1:13:47and you like see we were told to rate the whole thing with like tablets that's

1:13:51pointless no one's gonna be that's not the same appalling was at all you bet

1:13:54against PDA space

1:13:56we tried the new Numis crabby nobody wants to have like a smart device for

1:13:59the touch her yet stupid if Apple Cup having that attitude they would have

1:14:03never made that the iPhone right just bien todavia comes and goes like you

1:14:07said we were right now you have to you absolutely have to explore every avenue

1:14:12maybe nothing comes to but you have to be on the lookout for I think Apple has

1:14:15that going for it that it's always going to be on the lookout for what the next

1:14:20thing is gonna blind-sided trying to stay ahead of it but the more difficult

1:14:23thing is when you don't have anybody who is competing with you in terms of

1:14:27product quality profits customer set anything like that what do you have to

1:14:32motivate you to be better or to change the way you do business because any

1:14:38argument you make about change then we do this is Ken eventually ending what

1:14:43does it do you think how can we do better in some way which metric that we

1:14:47can measure would we do better and we make more money we have higher customer

1:14:50satisfaction I guess maybe you could say we have more market share but then they

1:14:54have encountered at like if you lower if you saw the lower price phone you would

1:14:58increase your market share in that Apple said yes but we don't care about market

1:15:01share care of making us products and making a lot of money possibly in that

1:15:04order

1:15:06alright still waiting for that Sega V our heads ok let me know how that works

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1:15:41Casey

1:15:45and you can show the day to be done and Marco

1:16:28what's going on at this point and we're never gonna watch the Microsoft thing

1:16:33right we all forgot to do it for two weeks in a row right ovary supposed to

1:16:37probably watch a little bit I read articles with highlights and I know more

1:16:42or less what was announced i just want to see it i guess i mean sometimes when

1:16:47I watch those things to do very quickly becomes not about what's been announced

1:16:51but about how it's being announced yeah and sometimes I could be good at

1:16:55something that can be bad if it's really long and boring and bad but I will

1:17:00remember that one of the best things I watched a long time was that when

1:17:05Windows 8 Metro was like announced it was like that but you got you I got

1:17:09explain the UI philosophy behind the Metro interface that was really good I

1:17:15think I mean I've heard so many people talking about this might be something in

1:17:20various things about it I think the biggest red flag for me is that all the

1:17:27these features are designed for a leg it sounded like they have basically 11

1:17:32continuous you I between phones tablets and PCs and you know convertible laptops

1:17:39and everything you know everything like rather than the windows 8 environment of

1:17:43ladies two separate environments and Windows RT which no one really mentioned

1:17:48recently with the stuff I think I can take and that they think so but i dont

1:17:53have not been confirmed that he has been employed but all that stuff

1:17:57the problem is that whole system of own it'll be wonderful you can have these

1:18:03absurd on the same platforms you can have things being handed off in all its

1:18:07you have to not consider what happens if you have all the Microsoft devices

1:18:13because that's not gonna happen like that's unrealistic that so you have to

1:18:18instead can see if you said be like ours so what happens if I only have one or

1:18:24two of these what maybe I only have the laptop and the Xbox or media just like

1:18:29the tablet and a laptop or something like that like knowing about the Windows

1:18:34Phone anytime soon so I can know what happens then in like a mixed environment

1:18:37where this year I don't have are not totally bought it

1:18:40is the stuff still compelling if it works at all you know is is that i think

1:18:46is is why I hope Microsoft is is smart and practical and humble enough to

1:18:53recognize the need to be worried about that and they need to make sure that

1:18:57works well I don't know yet if they are you know we in general the new Microsoft

1:19:03is moving in that direction of being more pragmatic and honest about their

1:19:07position in mobile but we'll see in a hollow lens I mean how and from what

1:19:13everyone says is a really awesome tech demo that everyone hopes will come out

1:19:19sometime soon with some kind of reasonable hardware that perform

1:19:23something well and worked with some kind of mystery software but that's that's a

1:19:27whole lot of ifs

1:19:28you know that that's a big line of like of pretty big problems to solve before

1:19:33this thing is truly compelling and so I hope it succeed I think it'd be cool but

1:19:39I think it would be cool to kinda like shake things up in the industry and and

1:19:43to have Microsoft be the fuhrman again it's kind of exciting because they

1:19:46haven't been for a while so I think that would be interesting I think it'd be

1:19:50cool I hope it works but I

1:19:53there there's so many IFS like you know and people are comparing it to light the

1:19:58demos of Kinect

1:20:00called president all I think that sounds familiar yes people are saying like you

1:20:06know the original demos of that we're like insanely awesome ridiculous stuff

1:20:11and in the real thing him and it wasn't nearly that good in reality and so that

1:20:14could happen here but you know from what everyone has said who has tried the

1:20:18Holland at the press event everyone said like it was really good it like it was

1:20:22actually really good but of course it was all prototype hardware prototype

1:20:24software pretty far from reality pretty far from Aliso like I saw some people

1:20:30who are normally skeptical saying was really good too but it's like really

1:20:34good like a fun amusement ride but what problem is a solving for me in gaming

1:20:40it's easier because like gaming is amusing right that's the problem solving

1:20:43for entertainment right right for something that's not a gaming system the

1:20:47democrat be amazing because you didn't know the things you're experiencing

1:20:50possible and it was a super rock-solid station of these ideas but then it's

1:20:54like if you gave us to me and put it in my house what would I use it

1:20:58games are easy I would use it to have fun ride if it doesn't make me sick and

1:21:02it's fun and interesting and it makes new gameplay think it's just fun sites

1:21:07all you need that but for people like 3d modeling and stuff are you kidding me

1:21:11take someone who uses mild and tell them you gonna do everything will hold it

1:21:15could get there eventually maybe you have to do but like those applications

1:21:20are fiendishly complex they just like the UI looks like the dashboard of a 747

1:21:26gonna try to do that by waving your hands around in space

1:21:30what is it making easier like what is it making possible easier for people in

1:21:36those companies that are you like maybe I don't know but like its up to

1:21:41Microsoft to figure that out and putting a bunch of people in his little things

1:21:46and having them be wowed by by technology is it's a start I guess but

1:21:51you know the Apple thing is you have to come up with at least one thing that you

1:21:55think this thing can do better than something else and you have to be right

1:21:58about it

1:21:58and I don't know that there is a good discussion about this on on rocket our

1:22:03friends that she was talking about 3 like she does 3d work all day and she

1:22:08knows and other people who do it she knows like that's not really how people

1:22:12do three he and I think to you know we've seen as tablets have gotten big

1:22:21and phones and everything and we've seen in all these all these like weird

1:22:26peripherals it to people that they have tried over time I think we've we've

1:22:32mostly figured out the things that work really well for most tasks and I'm not

1:22:38saying that we can never do anything different than we can ever find better

1:22:42ways but a lot has been tried and a lot has failed and I think it's when when

1:22:48you look at liked to get a lot of work done a lot of precise complicated work

1:22:53done a keyboard and a pointing device and the screen is really really

1:22:59effective and again that might not be the most ideal solution but we have a

1:23:03lot of inertia behind that solution with you just gotta wait until it becomes the

1:23:09it becomes the best way to do it like touch screens but it remains forever

1:23:12people hated them people just hated touch me how long will it take turns my

1:23:15whole practice my whole life and universally reviled right and that means

1:23:21touchscreens are bad ideas like know someone eventually has to do them right

1:23:24enough that you go oh yeah touchscreens Apple happened to be the one that got

1:23:29their right and so is the same way we've had we are forever every time we see in

1:23:33its like an amusement things you put on in the nineties in a video arcade it

1:23:40wasn't even fun right

1:23:41were probably the point now where you can make fun games with it if they can

1:23:45work out the problems but you know will know it when someone finally cross that

1:23:49threshold and it's like it's not like we are as a bad idea the reason to believe

1:23:53trying it's because it's an amazing I did you just got to be the first one to

1:23:57do it right and go oh yes every other and people will say every other previous

1:24:02effort of Berar sucked and this is the one that's good and you don't even have

1:24:06to convince people because no need to be convinced now that a good thing that

1:24:10people born and you know so the outpost smartphone era will never believe you me

1:24:15said before all my life touched me terrible and everybody hated them what

1:24:19was different about them they were slightly less responsive I gets it

1:24:21pretty much it someone had to press really hard some of them are a little

1:24:26less responsive like doesn't take much you know so that's why people are

1:24:29excited oculus because it seems like I'm gonna try to myself it seems like they

1:24:34cross the threshold into no longer sucking four games and I've tried an

1:24:39oculus rift which one I have no idea as soon as I tweeted about it but I tried

1:24:47one I i genuinely don't know which 1 I'm not trying to be funny I tried it for

1:24:52two minutes and it was cool as hell and I i was playing like one game where I

1:24:58was flying around in like shooting it something or other

1:25:02and I played another game or basically I was just planning now for the game to be

1:25:05honest I was walking around like a balcony on the edge of a cliff and its

1:25:10freakin trippy mane it is weird I'm not typically prone to motion sickness I

1:25:16didn't get any and I was only the headset on for a couple of minutes but I

1:25:20would assume since there is even the slightest bit of potentially see between

1:25:26real world and it that John you would vomit profusely but I mean I thought it

1:25:32was spot-on I thought is really cool I think that the challenges of taking one

1:25:36of them is the motion sickness can you make this so that a reasonable

1:25:40percentage of the population does not get motion sick and you just have to

1:25:43keep trying to make it you know

1:25:44reduce the leg and you know

1:25:46make it the most people don't get motion sickness walk around all day in a 3d

1:25:50world once you put your head any disagreement between what your inner ear

1:25:56is telling you about your eyes are seeing is going to be interpreted by

1:25:59people who are prone to motion sickness as you know maybe you've eaten up now so

1:26:06that's the problem they're working on essentially you know what they're saying

1:26:09is over the latency displays and reduced tearing and reduce latency that all that

1:26:13buildup to is this something that large enough person the population can use and

1:26:18will find fun because you want people to buy it and it seems like they're getting

1:26:23closer to that threshold right now just four games Microsoft nothing so far that

1:26:29i've read or seen I read a lot but not seen much has convinced me that they

1:26:33have reached Indy the IRS moment the iPhone moment like that they have you

1:26:41know this is a thing that ever money use its not just an entertainment is

1:26:45actually a better way for you to interact with software because the

1:26:49recent XYZ and I haven't seen that yet it seems like a very good technical

1:26:55achievement in the labs so far that might make for a very good product but

1:27:02that no one has quite figured out like what's the killer app like what what is

1:27:08what will make it worth spending $500,000 in one of these things and and

1:27:14and possibly changing the entire way you work physically or your desktop or

1:27:18whatever what will make it worth all that costs and change that's so much

1:27:24better on this thing then you have no such a killer app that's what people

1:27:29used to say it like well it's great nobody the killer app for your pipeline

1:27:32but like the touch screen did not have a killer app in the sense of like you know

1:27:36an application made touches like the whole the whole thing the whole

1:27:40experience of a handle things mostly screen

1:27:43that was essentially the killer app but that that that phrase is back from the

1:27:48days when it was literally a single application I call you need a Mac

1:27:51because it has PageMaker get Photoshop already that was a killer Apted

1:27:56attractive for your platform the killer outfit touchscreens both countries are

1:27:59better for everything on a phone practically ninety be borderline

1:28:04keyboard but there's so much better

1:28:05everything else that the tradeoff is worth i think i mean one of the biggest

1:28:10challenges they might have with this and I know this sounds very superficial but

1:28:13trust me it will matter is portability you know the reality is I think most

1:28:19people today do their work on laptops desktops are really dying breed and

1:28:24never going to be dead but they're certainly laptops are the default

1:28:30computer for most people and mobility matters for a lot of those people not

1:28:35all that interested me but for a lot of them it matters and if this thing least

1:28:39something like those on your head and has these screens or whatever like it

1:28:42now actually might not fold niacin flattened skinny in light into a back

1:28:47hoe lens is actually better than i could assume this is like giant ski goggles

1:28:52right and so you know they seemed actually be there and you can see

1:28:56through the lenses are you wearing glasses that you can see the real world

1:28:59in ages overlay images onto it

1:29:02Yaris like you know completely covered you can't see anything outside which is

1:29:06why it's mostly better for entertainment for you don't need to see the outside

1:29:09world but not so good for an office setting where you have a blindfolded

1:29:15will also I I would expect have not known about this admittedly I would

1:29:19expect that ar is probably a lot easier to work out the motion sickness problems

1:29:23for ya probably because you do have the visual cues everything else but then

1:29:28that what that does is it reveals all of you that's what people are saying about

1:29:31the tech demo like it reveals any latency or miss calibration you have is

1:29:35real because the real world is perfectly steady in that they would say like I

1:29:40looked at the coffee table and there was a Minecraft structure on it and it

1:29:43pretty much say in the somali stuck to the table I couldn't when I wake up my

1:29:47head the microstructure didn't like well I moved you know moving side-to-side for

1:29:51jiggle like her looks like there was a whole new coffee table and there was

1:29:54like a thing down in like an hour look at that hopes to look like a hole and

1:29:58never sort of lost track of where the coffee table was actually drew at an

1:30:01elevated to left and to the right because that takes you out of the

1:30:04illusion that they had special ok well coffee tables real but the little castle

1:30:09on top of it is ignoring lighting just

1:30:13to have a connect to the world that's that's one of the big problems in a hour

1:30:16and it seems like Microsoft to solve that ok now what do you do with that

1:30:21besides minecraft castle tables why would have run to put it in the after

1:30:28show have said TV news before we go I know what happened said said said said

1:30:36on multiple levels so I got my fancy TV that like Panasonic Plasma TV I know all

1:30:43that plasma TVs no limitations take very good care of my television or so I

1:30:49thought you called the kids not to leave television shows paused making my

1:30:55children watch for by three live-action television shows stretched out and to

1:30:59sixteen by nine just but recently I've got Playstation 4 and have been playing

1:31:05a lot of destiny on it and that turned out to be a mistake got about eighty 80

1:31:11hours into destin a split between me and my son and we both really like the game

1:31:15despite its flaws or perhaps because of its laws I'm not sure anymore but

1:31:20destiny has one feature that I should have paid more attention to in didn't

1:31:23and in the lower left corner of the screen while you're playing destiny is a

1:31:28heads up display that shows a 100% yellow line and 100% white silhouettes

1:31:34of guns and when I was looking in puts the other day I noticed that I could

1:31:38still see the yellow line and little silhouettes @ the guns in the car on my

1:31:42screen and I said

1:31:45so this is sad for all the worries no one quick googling led to a jackpot of

1:31:57people begging bungee to make the HUD transparent or to make it optional this

1:32:02is something that most games are good about giving you a way to make a little

1:32:08bit transparent because the background is constantly changing promise when you

1:32:12make something opaque then it never changes I was just there for just an

1:32:15hour after hour this terrible budget hasn't done that yet I saw one

1:32:19acknowledgement that they acknowledge they've heard this complaint before and

1:32:22they can't give any timelines and blah blah blah battled back in November so

1:32:25there hasn't been a patch kit to fix this and the second thing is regarding

1:32:29plasma TVs there is image retention and burning the only difference as far as I

1:32:34can tell that burning is considered permanent injury is what I have

1:32:39permanent or not many stories from people who played last game past games

1:32:42on their plasma TVs other games I stopped playing the game and it took

1:32:47months for it to go away but eventually did other people say it never went away

1:32:50and so like the people that never won any they had burning people that image

1:32:54retention and those different debate so there if your Plasma TV supports 3d it's

1:32:59more susceptible to either attention to burn in or whatever anyway my tv screen

1:33:03might feature that puts white across the bar ice cream that's supposed to help

1:33:07but the bottom line is from what I've read the best cure is that you simply

1:33:12continue to use your TV as normal don't play the game anymore

1:33:15wait several months to a year and maybe you'll go

1:33:18I think it has faded already but the worst part of this is now destinies

1:33:23banned from my television until they

1:33:25means that I can't play destiny which also means my son can play destiny and

1:33:31that is the worst part of this community super pissed no one else at this point I

1:33:36think no one else would even notice it pointed it out but you know me so right

1:33:41my solution to this is buying a gaming monitor 1080p game under gonna move the

1:33:47PlayStation 4 into the computer room air instead of on the television because we

1:33:52gotta play destiny

1:33:53you know he's done his guns are gonna level themselves so let me ask you a

1:33:59serious question I I'm not trying to troll you you bought this TV this was a

1:34:07plasma TV if I understand things correctly because the blacks are better

1:34:13but otherwise it's mostly the same as any other TV is that now pretty much

1:34:19everything about its better as bet it panel's notion better the color accuracy

1:34:22is better than blacks are better it is better than any television you could buy

1:34:27except for with the possibility of overheads by the way also have burning

1:34:31problems anyway the one of driving at is you bought this TV for a difference that

1:34:39probably only year robot eyes can see how anybody could see it

1:34:44anybody could see him next to each other in a showroom pick my TV is about early

1:34:47yet you can't use the TV to do the one thing you want to do with it which is

1:34:51played destiny know because the Destiny like video games all the games fall

1:34:56right into motion the motion is an important thing in gaming right but the

1:35:01thing I really want good picture for us for television and movies like a live

1:35:04action because games like are you know they're limited by the graphics that are

1:35:08in the games they're not photo realistic and you know I want to watch my favorite

1:35:13movies and television shows and all that stuff on my nice fancy screen

1:35:17I'm perfectly happy to move my gaming to a little 23 inch monitor the computer

1:35:22right but I am NOT happy I wouldn't be happy to watch like my new gimli blu-ray

1:35:29on a little tiny computer screen Godfather movies analyst at a computer

1:35:33screen to watch the next season of Game of Thrones computer screen so I'm still

1:35:38what I'm trying to do is preserve my my TV for its intended purpose or just

1:35:43watching television and movies is intended purposes not gaming and in fact

1:35:47the monitor will probably have much lower input lag and lower latency than

1:35:51by television does not try to get a TV that has a low input legs possible to

1:35:54make it acceptable for gaming but probably much better on this monitor

1:35:58right well said here that yeah and I i worried about it for other games too

1:36:03like Zelda games have had some stuff to do a little bit of transparency and you

1:36:07know it has not been a problem with any games a lot of that hundreds and

1:36:11hundreds of hours of game done this TV and maybe some of the jurors complaining

1:36:17stretching for way through the crime i watch that i say i make my kids wash out

1:36:22there watching full house standard death and they can stretch it a watch full

1:36:27house reruns or that the show looks awful in any in any aspect ratio it out

1:36:34now