Connected

00:00:00 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Connected. It's episode 564 and today's show

00:00:12 ◼   ► is brought to you by Squarespace and ZocDoc. My name is Mike Hurley and I have the pleasure

00:00:16 ◼   ► of introducing Stephen Hackett. Hi Stephen. Hello Mike Hurley, how are you? Oh I'm good,

00:00:21 ◼   ► I'm happy because we have a special guest. We do, I am so pleased to announce our special

00:00:27 ◼   ► guest, Jason Snell. Hello, I am Jason Snell, the Upgrade Draft Challenger and it's great

00:00:33 ◼   ► to be here. Don't you forget it. You know, I was thinking about this, it's been a long

00:00:36 ◼   ► time for you to be a challenger. Yeah, yeah, you're really beating me down now.

00:00:41 ◼   ► That's how it goes. What happens is you get to the point where Mike really wants to win

00:00:49 ◼   ► and takes it super seriously and I'm just coasting because I've won so many times that I'm just

00:00:53 ◼   ► like, oh, I'll just pick, do picks for the, for the humor of it. But then like he gets on a streak

00:00:57 ◼   ► and then I'm like, okay, I'm going to be serious now and I can't get it back. It's very frustrating,

00:01:02 ◼   ► but my favorite, one of my favorite drafts was when you said, okay, I'm going to get serious about it

00:01:07 ◼   ► now and I still beat you. That was a good one for me. Yeah, no, once you, you've got the momentum

00:01:12 ◼   ► now, you've got big Mo, I don't know how I'm going to get you off your game.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Big Mo. I did win the, I did win the auxiliary draft where we drafted extra things, which is

00:01:22 ◼   ► really stupid of me because if that had just been part of the main draft, I would have won,

00:01:26 ◼   ► but I didn't. The California Bear Trophy for WFDC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, y'all, y'all,

00:01:32 ◼   ► we don't have time for this. This is upgrade. Oh, sorry. We have a Snell Talk question. Oh,

00:01:38 ◼   ► okay. David wrote in, why didn't any of you go with personalized sites? Why use brand names like

00:01:45 ◼   ► 512pixels, The Enthusiast, Mac Stories, Six Colors, etc.? Did you know that when I announced that I was

00:01:53 ◼   ► leaving Macworld, that announcement was posted on snellworld.com? I remember. Yeah, and you made the

00:02:01 ◼   ► right choice by not continuing that. Well, I didn't want to announce my thing yet, right? Like literally,

00:02:07 ◼   ► I didn't want to say, hey, everybody just got laid off and here's my new site. So I had to find a

00:02:12 ◼   ► place to put it. Yeah. It was essentially just a text file, right? Oh, it's still here. It's still

00:02:19 ◼   ► here. Yes. Look at this. Oh, yeah. Snellworld.com. It's still there. You're still paying for that.

00:02:26 ◼   ► Now it's an about, but the blog post is on Six Colors now and it's linked from that single site of

00:02:35 ◼   ► snellworld.com. But yeah, I'm still paying for that along the many domains. I imagine we're all

00:02:38 ◼   ► going to say the same thing or variations on the same thing, which is like, it's not my personal

00:02:42 ◼   ► site. It's the place where I do like the incomparable is where I do some stuff and Six Colors is where I do

00:02:47 ◼   ► different stuff. And then Six Colors was kind of always my intent to have it be more than just me too.

00:02:53 ◼   ► You know, there's that aspect of it as well, that it's not Jason's Mac site because I figured at first,

00:02:59 ◼   ► I thought it would be a place where maybe some of my laid off colleagues could write a little bit and

00:03:02 ◼   ► some of them did. And then over time, you know, Dan came on board. And so it was really me and Dan for

00:03:07 ◼   ► many, many years. And now I've also got, you know, Glenn once a week and Maltz once a week and,

00:03:12 ◼   ► and Joe Steele and Shelley Brisbane every month. So, you know, it would be bad if, I mean, this is,

00:03:19 ◼   ► I briefly did some freelancing for the, uh, the windows super site, but remember that was about

00:03:26 ◼   ► that. That was originally, Oh, who was it? Whose site was that? Um, right. And they, that company

00:03:36 ◼   ► bought that site and then they had to spend so much effort. I think maybe unsuccessfully

00:03:41 ◼   ► deep, deep, all the rotting it. And like, don't do that. Like give it, get brands are cheap. I mean,

00:03:48 ◼   ► I paid, I paid a few thousand dollars for six colors.com and I'm, I'm, I'm happy I did. Um,

00:03:54 ◼   ► because I don't know, it's just, cause it's not all of you. It's just some of you. Like that's what

00:03:58 ◼   ► Gruber is. I mean, does daring fireball. It's almost his entire output, but like, it's not

00:04:02 ◼   ► johngruber.com. It's daring fireball. It's a, it's a, a, a product with a portion of what you are,

00:04:09 ◼   ► not your whole person. I think. Yeah. That was how I felt when I started the enthusiasts. I'm

00:04:14 ◼   ► the most recent to do it. And it was just because I wanted this website to have a very specific point

00:04:20 ◼   ► of view, which is just good vibes. That's what I was going for. And I don't give off just good vibes

00:04:27 ◼   ► in all of my avenues. And that was the point, right? Like I'm, if I'm angry about something,

00:04:32 ◼   ► you're not going to see it on the website, I'll talk about it on a podcast. And that was kind of

00:04:37 ◼   ► the point for me. Like I, I'm my whole self here more than I will be on that website. And that's just

00:04:43 ◼   ► because I, that's what, if I'm going to write, I want to write happy. I want to write angry. And

00:04:48 ◼   ► cause otherwise I'm just not going to do it. Um, and so, yeah, I'm happy with that, with that

00:04:51 ◼   ► decision for me. I owned, still own, uh, but way back in the day, like in college had a blog at like

00:05:00 ◼   ► stephenhackett.com and please don't way back machine it cause I'm sure it's terrible, but never say these

00:05:05 ◼   ► things out loud. I'm quietly way backing it as I, um, and it was, you know, a personal kind of,

00:05:15 ◼   ► kind of thing. But when I wanted to start writing about Apple, it was like, it needs its own brand.

00:05:23 ◼   ► You know, it definitely really wasn't super well, um, thought out, but, uh, hence the name change a

00:05:31 ◼   ► few years in, but I wanted, yeah, I wanted something that kind of stood on its own. I never really thought

00:05:37 ◼   ► other people would write there. Although other people have written there over the years, it's

00:05:42 ◼   ► primarily me, but it, sorry, I didn't mention that Steven also wrote for Six Colors for a while

00:05:46 ◼   ► there before, before he turned his back on me and walked away to do Mac power users. I wrote for,

00:05:51 ◼   ► I turned my back on a lot of things when I joined MPU. I know, I know you did. I know, but then the

00:05:56 ◼   ► Hackett file, it's all there. It's all available on the web now. It was a newsletter only exclusive

00:05:59 ◼   ► and now it's all on the web for it. Is that what it was called? The Hackett file? I forgot that.

00:06:03 ◼   ► The Hackett file, yeah. It's like the Hackett dossier. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Uh, yeah.

00:06:10 ◼   ► It, it, it just needed a brand name, right? And I, and now it's been that name so long,

00:06:15 ◼   ► it just is what it is, right? Like the names stopped mattering after a while.

00:06:19 ◼   ► Yeah. I mean, next stories, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's just a name. It's just a name. It's just a name.

00:06:26 ◼   ► What's in a name? What's in letters? And yeah, that's true. Would a website by any other name smell

00:06:34 ◼   ► is sweet. Yeah. Would snell is sweet. Yeah. It was snell is sweet. You know, I, I have already added

00:06:42 ◼   ► two links accidentally to the most recent episode of Upgrade, uh, instead of, uh, and it reminded me

00:06:50 ◼   ► of something I was thinking about today, which was like, anytime I'm on a podcast with Jason,

00:06:55 ◼   ► there becomes an issue where I forget what podcast I'm on and I, and I just start talking to Jason.

00:07:02 ◼   ► And I was on an episode of the incomparable a long time. I think my first time it was maybe,

00:07:08 ◼   ► uh, for Avengers end game or something like that. And like for the first 10 minutes of the show,

00:07:13 ◼   ► it's basically just me and Jason talking. Cause I just forgot that anyone else is there.

00:07:18 ◼   ► Cause I was just like, I'm just talking to Jason. Uh, and then I didn't speak for like 20 minutes.

00:07:23 ◼   ► I realized I was absolutely monopolizing the conversation.

00:07:28 ◼   ► That's terrible. That's fantastic.

00:07:30 ◼   ► Terrible stuff. Uh,

00:07:32 ◼   ► So some follow-up last week's title was a little bit unusual.

00:07:39 ◼   ► If you saw it, it was not that weird, uh, not that weird. Uh, and we got a post in from listener

00:07:47 ◼   ► Pete and it was an audio clip and, uh, we're going to let you listen to it now.

00:07:53 ◼   ► I think you asked for the podcast connected. Is that right?

00:07:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:58 ◼   ► Okay. Playing.

00:08:00 ◼   ► Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

00:08:02 ◼   ► I mean, Alexa just totally choked on the name of the episode.

00:08:13 ◼   ► Yes. Uh, and I hope that that happened to other people. I hope that there were users using workout

00:08:18 ◼   ► buddy, uh, who made a similar thing to them. Uh, if that, if that happened to you, please let us know.

00:08:23 ◼   ► Cause I hear it, right? Apparently like workout buddy will be like, all right, now taking you back to this or whatever, you know, like, and it's, it's some podcast title or whatever.

00:08:33 ◼   ► Yeah. It was, it was fabulous. And because I didn't have a place for other than follow up, but, uh, I named this in our document, shameless five, 12 pixels and merch plug.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Uh, I got new merch. I got stickers with the new logo, uh, 20th anniversary Mac shirt, and then a iMac G4 shirt. Go check them out.

00:08:53 ◼   ► Uh, I would actually, I'm going to give you a piece of follow up that was meant to text you, but I'm now just going to say it to you. Uh, I would like more colors at the premium heavyweight of the big idea t-shirt.

00:09:04 ◼   ► Okay. Let me just log in a copy. So if you can just find some colors, that's like big, like they're like oversized shirt. You have black, which looks really good, but I would like to see some other colors before I buy one. Cause I really liked that t-shirt.

00:09:18 ◼   ► I had noticed you had not put an order in. I looked.

00:09:20 ◼   ► Yeah. And that's why, because I, I didn't, you didn't have the colors that I was looking for.

00:09:24 ◼   ► Can I make a merch request too, Steven?

00:09:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Um, I wore the 512 pixels, uh, iMacs from above t-shirt over the weekend and a regular human saw it and was like, what are those? Some sort of fruit? I'm like, no, they're computers.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Oh, that's a connected shirt. The gumdrops.

00:09:44 ◼   ► That's a connected t-shirt.

00:09:44 ◼   ► Oh, is that a connected t-shirt? Okay.

00:09:46 ◼   ► It is.

00:09:46 ◼   ► With all those six colors. So, okay. Well, then I bring it to both of you. I would either like to see a version of that, that is in where the six colors are. I know this is non-canonical in the Apple rainbow colors, or we should do a collab and have a six colors version of that.

00:10:04 ◼   ► We should.

00:10:05 ◼   ► So let's talk about that later.

00:10:07 ◼   ► The original version of that shirt had a yellow iMac on it and I always hated it because.

00:10:12 ◼   ► He was so unhappy about it.

00:10:13 ◼   ► There was not a yellow iMac.

00:10:15 ◼   ► We sold that t-shirt and then when it came back to Steven doing the, like, bootleg store that he set up while I was on paternity leave, he changed the colors and then also removed the cartoon characters of the three of us that were there.

00:10:30 ◼   ► Mike, I'm not sure there's any more color options for the heavy.

00:10:35 ◼   ► That's ridiculous.

00:10:36 ◼   ► We can look at this later.

00:10:38 ◼   ► That's all I have to say.

00:10:39 ◼   ► Yeah, that's ridiculous.

00:10:40 ◼   ► There must be.

00:10:41 ◼   ► It must be possible.

00:10:42 ◼   ► I think sometimes it's the colors you choose.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Some of them add those options and it's kind of unclear as to which colors it's going to be.

00:10:49 ◼   ► But this is not a conversation we have to add.

00:10:51 ◼   ► I mean, I think it's pretty good podcast content.

00:10:53 ◼   ► Okay, good.

00:10:55 ◼   ► Then we'll keep doing it.

00:10:55 ◼   ► All right.

00:10:56 ◼   ► So let me log into your cotton bureau.

00:10:57 ◼   ► I'll just send you the login.

00:10:59 ◼   ► I don't care.

00:10:59 ◼   ► I'll just dig around.

00:11:01 ◼   ► Just say it out loud on the podcast.

00:11:03 ◼   ► If we're going to do this, you should just speak the login.

00:11:05 ◼   ► Password.

00:11:06 ◼   ► Let everybody try it.

00:11:07 ◼   ► Yeah, we crowdsource this.

00:11:09 ◼   ► Let's crowdsource this.

00:11:10 ◼   ► Let's crowd this.

00:11:11 ◼   ► See if anyone can work it out.

00:11:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:12 ◼   ► Okay, Jason is here.

00:11:15 ◼   ► Hi.

00:11:15 ◼   ► And I want to talk to you about Apple results.

00:11:18 ◼   ► Not the news that's all been covered.

00:11:20 ◼   ► Money, money, money.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Money, money.

00:11:22 ◼   ► Who has all the money?

00:11:23 ◼   ► It's Microsoft Crocs.

00:11:27 ◼   ► That's a pro show topic for you.

00:11:32 ◼   ► You guys do a great job, both on Upgrade and on Six Colors, covering these things.

00:11:38 ◼   ► And it sort of struck me this time, listening to Upgrade, that, Jason, if you didn't cover

00:11:43 ◼   ► the quarterly results, I would pay no attention to them, because I don't cover them anymore.

00:11:46 ◼   ► And really, you're the only person.

00:11:50 ◼   ► I'm the last one left.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:51 ◼   ► I mean, honestly, you're kind of the only person.

00:11:53 ◼   ► I can't stop now.

00:11:53 ◼   ► You're the only person in our circle that really covers this, right?

00:11:58 ◼   ► It's covered in the financial markets or whatever.

00:12:00 ◼   ► We're like, who cares?

00:12:02 ◼   ► I mean, it's me, and then, not quite in our circle, but Ben Thompson.

00:12:05 ◼   ► Sure.

00:12:06 ◼   ► And even he skipped a few.

00:12:07 ◼   ► Ben's doing it in a different way.

00:12:09 ◼   ► I think a lot of people post what Apple posts, but Jason's doing the whole, like, I'm transcribing

00:12:15 ◼   ► this, and then I'm going to write some analysis, right?

00:12:17 ◼   ► That's what you do, which is different, which I value, because then it makes our conversation

00:12:22 ◼   ► easier.

00:12:22 ◼   ► Right.

00:12:24 ◼   ► So, yeah, I mean, it's, and it's off brand for me.

00:12:29 ◼   ► I mean, I'm literally the kid who used to get the newspaper and throw the business section

00:12:33 ◼   ► away.

00:12:34 ◼   ► It's like, who are those suckers who are writing about that stuff?

00:12:38 ◼   ► And then, you know, fast forward 35 years, and it's like, oh, no, it's him.

00:12:43 ◼   ► I mean, part of the reason I do it is that I started doing it at Macworld because we had

00:12:50 ◼   ► to do it, and I thought that we should do it, and then I thought we should do charts, and,

00:12:55 ◼   ► you know, people are like, what do you mean charts on the web about financial stuff?

00:13:00 ◼   ► I was like, no, I think we should do this.

00:13:01 ◼   ► I had an old boss who had a giant spreadsheet full of Apple financial results.

00:13:05 ◼   ► And so, like, it was a Macworld decision because Macworld covered everything.

00:13:10 ◼   ► Like, literally everything was our remit.

00:13:12 ◼   ► I still, as an independent person, 11 years later, have these moments where I feel bad that

00:13:16 ◼   ► I can't cover something, and then I realized, oh, one person can't cover everything.

00:13:20 ◼   ► But when I went out on my own, I was like, I felt like it was a way for me, it was a thing

00:13:27 ◼   ► that I had a sort of unique skill about and interest in to a certain extent.

00:13:31 ◼   ► If I'm thinking about, like, understanding Apple's business, I'm not interested in investment

00:13:36 ◼   ► analysis, don't own Apple stock, didn't, like, there are websites out there that are sort

00:13:39 ◼   ► of, like, targeted Apple investors.

00:13:41 ◼   ► That was not my area of interest, but I had this skill that I had built up, and I figured,

00:13:46 ◼   ► especially in the early days when I was trying to establish six colors, that it was a way for

00:13:50 ◼   ► me to continue.

00:13:51 ◼   ► It was a useful skill, right?

00:13:54 ◼   ► And then for a while there, I sold Macworld on the idea that my post-call analysis column

00:14:01 ◼   ► would be my column for the week, which, especially when I was writing weekly, was great, because

00:14:06 ◼   ► let me tell you, coming up with 52 column ideas a year was not good.

00:14:10 ◼   ► So I get a freebie every three months.

00:14:13 ◼   ► It was great.

00:14:13 ◼   ► But, you know, lately, they don't want those columns anymore.

00:14:17 ◼   ► They don't do it for them.

00:14:18 ◼   ► It's like, that's fine.

00:14:18 ◼   ► I'll just post it to six colors.

00:14:20 ◼   ► But I feel like, yeah, I feel like I've done it long enough now, and I have enough

00:14:23 ◼   ► of the long view of Apple's business.

00:14:24 ◼   ► And I like, I feel like it fits into my brand, my knowledge space to be able, when we're talking

00:14:31 ◼   ► about it, especially, like, on Upgrade is a great example of this, to understand how Apple's

00:14:36 ◼   ► business is constructed.

00:14:37 ◼   ► Like, again, I don't care about, like, where the stock price is going, but I do want to understand,

00:14:42 ◼   ► like, why do they do what they do?

00:14:44 ◼   ► What are their motivations for it?

00:14:46 ◼   ► And so, you know, the transcript, if there weren't automated transcription engines, I

00:14:51 ◼   ► would have stopped doing that.

00:14:52 ◼   ► But there are, it's become very easy.

00:14:54 ◼   ► I just literally listen to the call while I'm looking at the transcript, about five minutes

00:14:59 ◼   ► behind, and edit it as I go.

00:15:01 ◼   ► And it does double duty of being the transcript and me reading about it.

00:15:05 ◼   ► And then for writing my follow-up piece, it's great to have a transcript, because you can,

00:15:10 ◼   ► just like, I mean, Ben links to my piece now, too, which is very nice of him.

00:15:15 ◼   ► And, like, it's useful for people to look at what they said and not have to go find it

00:15:19 ◼   ► in the transcript.

00:15:20 ◼   ► So, you know, it really is this kind of holistic thing that it educates me about what they're

00:15:26 ◼   ► doing.

00:15:26 ◼   ► It gives me a chance to do some analysis that I think there isn't a lot of out there.

00:15:30 ◼   ► It's not my favorite subject either, especially there are, you know, so many quarters where

00:15:35 ◼   ► Mike and I get on Upgrade and we're like, well, boring quarter that just made a lot of money.

00:15:40 ◼   ► When I usually emerge from the office on results day, Lauren says to me, how's Apple?

00:15:44 ◼   ► And I say, still in business, still making lots of money.

00:15:49 ◼   ► Like, they're not going out of business anytime soon.

00:15:51 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:15:52 ◼   ► I mean, so that's it.

00:15:54 ◼   ► It was really sort of like a continuation of doing it at Macworld and feeling like it was

00:15:58 ◼   ► uncommon enough that I could probably keep doing it and have it be an area of specialty,

00:16:03 ◼   ► even though it's so unlike everything else that I cover.

00:16:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:07 ◼   ► I mean, I like your point of view on it that you want to understand Apple better because

00:16:12 ◼   ► I think all three of us and most people in our sort of orbit, like, we care about the

00:16:17 ◼   ► products, right?

00:16:17 ◼   ► Like, we're in this because we want to talk about the Mac and guess iPhone colors and talk

00:16:22 ◼   ► about iOS 26, right?

00:16:23 ◼   ► But so much of the products are informed by Apple as a company and then vice versa.

00:16:29 ◼   ► And I find it, I find the way that you talk about it interesting.

00:16:34 ◼   ► And that just really caught me for whatever reason this time.

00:16:39 ◼   ► It's like, oh, like, this is actually, like, educational.

00:16:43 ◼   ► And I think it's, I think you're doing a good service to the community by covering it through

00:16:50 ◼   ► that lens in your way as opposed to just, like, you know, a talking head on CNBC or whatever.

00:16:55 ◼   ► And I think from the upgrade perspective, I actually do enjoy the conversations, right?

00:17:00 ◼   ► So, like, I will, I push for us to talk about it and I've always pushed for us to talk about

00:17:04 ◼   ► it on the show because I do enjoy talking about it.

00:17:08 ◼   ► I think it's interesting to look at them through the business lens.

00:17:11 ◼   ► I think it's interesting to look at how Apple positions themselves to the stock market, especially

00:17:16 ◼   ► because, I mean, we talk about it all the time, but the services thing is purely for the

00:17:20 ◼   ► stock market, right?

00:17:21 ◼   ► So that is a huge thing that they did that they decided to start doing because the iPhone was

00:17:27 ◼   ► declining.

00:17:28 ◼   ► The only reason they needed to do that, Apple did not need the money, right?

00:17:32 ◼   ► They did it because they needed to make investors happy.

00:17:34 ◼   ► So they had to start pushing into services.

00:17:36 ◼   ► It's why we have Apple TV, right?

00:17:38 ◼   ► Like, it's why it exists.

00:17:40 ◼   ► It's why TV Plus exists.

00:17:41 ◼   ► And so I do think there's an interesting thing there.

00:17:45 ◼   ► And it's why they hold on to the App Store the way that they do.

00:17:47 ◼   ► Correct.

00:17:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:49 ◼   ► Right.

00:17:49 ◼   ► You can understand so much more about them because of that.

00:17:55 ◼   ► So, and I know you've covered it other places.

00:17:57 ◼   ► We'll have some links in the show notes, but you have a lot of audit.

00:18:01 ◼   ► Now we're crossing over to Mac Power Users territory.

00:18:04 ◼   ► Oh.

00:18:05 ◼   ► I know you're using some automation to make these charts.

00:18:08 ◼   ► You're not, like, hand editing, I don't think.

00:18:11 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:18:12 ◼   ► No, file, new, you know, drag out a spreadsheet and numbers, start entering numbers in, finish

00:18:19 ◼   ► around.

00:18:19 ◼   ► I just new ones in every time.

00:18:20 ◼   ► About 2 a.m., get it done.

00:18:21 ◼   ► No, I built, I continue to try to build an automation that I can take at the PDF of the

00:18:28 ◼   ► results and put that on the clipboard so I can just paste it into my number spreadsheet.

00:18:33 ◼   ► You know, I use previous quarters and build the whole thing that works fine, and then

00:18:38 ◼   ► the new quarter comes out and it breaks.

00:18:39 ◼   ► That happened this time.

00:18:41 ◼   ► I was like, oh, I guess I'm entering them in by hand.

00:18:43 ◼   ► After all of that work, it just, whatever, something in the PDF this time just totally broke.

00:18:48 ◼   ► Oh, well.

00:18:49 ◼   ► I'll work on that for next time, I guess.

00:18:51 ◼   ► Once it's in there, I wrote a piece about this at Six Colors that was on Alison Sheridan's

00:18:58 ◼   ► podcast.

00:18:58 ◼   ► She asked me about how I made the charts, and I had this admission that I spent the day

00:19:04 ◼   ► before the results, like, editing every single chart and sliding it all one column forward

00:19:10 ◼   ► so that I could do the new time frame.

00:19:13 ◼   ► And somebody wrote in and said, you know, you could build a self-updating chart grid using

00:19:21 ◼   ► various commands inside numbers.

00:19:24 ◼   ► And I do that now.

00:19:26 ◼   ► That totally changed it.

00:19:28 ◼   ► So now my setup the day before is essentially finding the date of the last one and replacing

00:19:34 ◼   ► it with the date of the new one.

00:19:36 ◼   ► And then all I have to do after that is just put in the numbers.

00:19:40 ◼   ► And then I run a, I have an automation that basically exports a PDF from numbers and carves

00:19:48 ◼   ► it up into individual rectangles and uploads them all to my server.

00:19:54 ◼   ► And that was an automation I did a long time ago.

00:19:58 ◼   ► I think I ran it for the first time on the iPad instead of on the Mac at Mike's bachelor

00:20:02 ◼   ► party.

00:20:03 ◼   ► Whoa.

00:20:03 ◼   ► So I have a memory of, like, I want to go to Mike's bachelor party and I don't want to

00:20:08 ◼   ► bring my laptop with me, but there's Apple results.

00:20:11 ◼   ► And I was like, I did it.

00:20:12 ◼   ► It, it, it happened.

00:20:13 ◼   ► I got it to work using shortcuts.

00:20:15 ◼   ► Um, but anyway, so yeah, it, it, it does this thing that, uh, turns the exports, a giant

00:20:21 ◼   ► PDF, carves it up into little image slices based on their placement on the page that I know where

00:20:26 ◼   ► the rows and columns are.

00:20:27 ◼   ► And I just sort of loop through them.

00:20:29 ◼   ► And then I, I upload them to WordPress using the same automation tools that I use to upload

00:20:35 ◼   ► images I'm working on for a story to WordPress.

00:20:37 ◼   ► And, uh, it puts all of the HTML for all those charts on the clipboard.

00:20:41 ◼   ► So on the day I write a little, I honestly, I cloned the last quarters thing and modify it

00:20:46 ◼   ► a little bit and then paste in the charts.

00:20:48 ◼   ► And that's step one.

00:20:50 ◼   ► And then, right, then it's prepping for the, for the, the conference call and all of that.

00:20:53 ◼   ► But I try to, I try to do that as step one.

00:20:56 ◼   ► I had a nerdy bachelor party.

00:20:58 ◼   ► Uh, I, I, I, I think it was on my bachelor party.

00:21:02 ◼   ► I don't completely remember, uh, that there was some kind of like anniversary.

00:21:07 ◼   ► Yes, yes, it was the IMAX anniversary and Jason and I were blogging across a little table

00:21:14 ◼   ► in someone's hotel room together.

00:21:15 ◼   ► And it was like, it was really fun.

00:21:17 ◼   ► Pair blogging.

00:21:18 ◼   ► I think we did an episode of a podcast.

00:21:20 ◼   ► I think if we did, I was very unhappy about it and didn't want to do it.

00:21:25 ◼   ► If we didn't do it, the reason we didn't do it was because I was very unhappy about the

00:21:29 ◼   ► idea of working.

00:21:30 ◼   ► Oh no, I had a whole setup in my, in my hotel room.

00:21:33 ◼   ► Um, that was it.

00:21:34 ◼   ► I remember sitting in there and doing it.

00:21:36 ◼   ► It was like, I think it was against my will.

00:21:37 ◼   ► Probably so.

00:21:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:39 ◼   ► Uh, I have some real time follow-up.

00:21:41 ◼   ► Steven actually did share with me his comp bureau login and I have since added a ton of color

00:21:48 ◼   ► options, uh, to the t-shirts and now there are many, you don't have to keep all of these

00:21:52 ◼   ► options, uh, but there are a lot of really fun colors now available for just this one t-shirt.

00:21:58 ◼   ► I didn't do it for the other ones.

00:22:00 ◼   ► This is the only one I want.

00:22:03 ◼   ► So if you want to do it, you have to go in and work it out.

00:22:06 ◼   ► Okay.

00:22:07 ◼   ► It's, it's very doable.

00:22:08 ◼   ► Okay.

00:22:09 ◼   ► Well, thank you for that.

00:22:10 ◼   ► Uh, no problem.

00:22:11 ◼   ► I'll buy this t-shirt now.

00:22:12 ◼   ► I've been hacked.

00:22:13 ◼   ► Um, so there's, uh, there's all, all that.

00:22:17 ◼   ► Um, yep.

00:22:18 ◼   ► Apple watch usage.

00:22:20 ◼   ► This is our other tiny topic today.

00:22:22 ◼   ► Mike, what's going on?

00:22:24 ◼   ► All right.

00:22:25 ◼   ► So I want to talk about, I want to talk about our relationships to the Apple watch.

00:22:30 ◼   ► Now, the reason I am thinking about this is my daughter is way too interested in my Apple

00:22:35 ◼   ► watch.

00:22:35 ◼   ► Way too interested.

00:22:37 ◼   ► She grabs this thing.

00:22:39 ◼   ► She's tapping on it.

00:22:40 ◼   ► She's watching the photos go by.

00:22:42 ◼   ► She nearly sent you to a text message the other day.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Uh, there are messages that I don't know have come in because she's tapped the notification,

00:22:51 ◼   ► right.

00:22:52 ◼   ► But I'm holding her or whatever I'm feeding her.

00:22:53 ◼   ► And so I don't like that.

00:22:57 ◼   ► Uh, I don't know what the screen time deal is going to be, uh, with my daughter.

00:23:03 ◼   ► Like I, I'm not going to be a no screen time like parent because that would be hypocritical,

00:23:10 ◼   ► right?

00:23:10 ◼   ► Cause like I'm going to be using my screens, but like, I just don't know what it's going

00:23:13 ◼   ► to be yet.

00:23:14 ◼   ► But what I know is she's not even six months old.

00:23:16 ◼   ► Like I don't need her interacting with my Apple watch.

00:23:18 ◼   ► Plus it's annoying, um, for me because things keep happening.

00:23:22 ◼   ► She did.

00:23:22 ◼   ► She's already sent multiple text messages to people.

00:23:25 ◼   ► Uh, and I don't, I don't need to do in that.

00:23:26 ◼   ► So I was wondering, I was thinking about the Apple watch.

00:23:31 ◼   ► I just been thinking about it.

00:23:32 ◼   ► Like if I was to stop wearing it, what would it be like?

00:23:35 ◼   ► Um, what would I miss and what would that experience be?

00:23:39 ◼   ► And so I've, I've distilled it a little bit and I want to hear what you two think.

00:23:43 ◼   ► So I think for me, it's three things, the Apple watch, right?

00:23:48 ◼   ► It's fitness, it's notifications, and it's the photos watch face, which I love.

00:23:54 ◼   ► So I can start with the photos watch face.

00:23:58 ◼   ► Uh, I love this because it's fun for wearing an Apple watch.

00:24:04 ◼   ► I don't need to wear an Apple watch to get this because my phone is full of widgets that have photos on them, right?

00:24:10 ◼   ► Different widgets.

00:24:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:11 ◼   ► Uh, but I use, I use a selection of widgets by a great app called Widget Smith, uh, that I recommend people go and check out and they can have their own wonderful photo widgets.

00:24:21 ◼   ► That's developed by, um, underscore David Widget Smith, right?

00:24:26 ◼   ► That's, that is his full name.

00:24:28 ◼   ► That's true.

00:24:28 ◼   ► Well, wouldn't it be, yes, that would be David Widget Smith.

00:24:30 ◼   ► That would be the name based on the, the upgrade convention, which is first name.

00:24:35 ◼   ► And then second name is the, is the name of your app.

00:24:37 ◼   ► That works for him actually in a way that it doesn't for say like, oh, wait, wouldn't it be Widget Smith Dave?

00:24:45 ◼   ► That's how it would work, right?

00:24:46 ◼   ► No, no.

00:24:46 ◼   ► David Widget Smith.

00:24:47 ◼   ► It's first name and then name of product.

00:24:49 ◼   ► Yes, it's first name.

00:24:49 ◼   ► Yes, yes, yes.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Joe Timer.

00:24:51 ◼   ► He's the, he's the one who actually, it actually works with.

00:24:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:54 ◼   ► The only one is smart.

00:24:55 ◼   ► Um, so I have like a bunch of their, so then, so notifications is one and it's not that I particularly want notifications on my wrist.

00:25:06 ◼   ► I just don't necessarily want them on my phone because my phone will be buzzing a lot, right?

00:25:14 ◼   ► Which is more disruptive for me and people around me.

00:25:17 ◼   ► You're like your phone on the table.

00:25:18 ◼   ► The phone's making a bunch of noise because it's like buzz, buzz, buzz, that kind of stuff.

00:25:21 ◼   ► Um, cause I don't have a case.

00:25:24 ◼   ► So if it's the phone is in contact with the desk, it makes noise.

00:25:27 ◼   ► Then the other one is fitness.

00:25:29 ◼   ► Now for me though, at this point, I'm not sure that my Apple watch encourages me to be fit.

00:25:35 ◼   ► It is just a, like a history of my fitness.

00:25:40 ◼   ► Does that make sense?

00:25:41 ◼   ► Like I'm not like, when it's like, just go out for a three minute walk and you'll close your ring.

00:25:45 ◼   ► I'm like, nah, I don't want to do that though.

00:25:47 ◼   ► So I'm not going to do that.

00:25:48 ◼   ► You know, like those things have never been like, oh, and now I'm going to go do a thing.

00:25:52 ◼   ► Like I'm not that interested in it.

00:25:54 ◼   ► A great way to track that walk would be Pedometer Plus Plus by David Pedometer Plus Plus.

00:26:00 ◼   ► Pedometer Plus Plus is his full name, legal name.

00:26:03 ◼   ► Uh, well I, I have, I do my step count and it's a different thing.

00:26:06 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:26:07 ◼   ► And my phone does that.

00:26:08 ◼   ► Like I don't need my Apple watch for that.

00:26:10 ◼   ► Um, and I guess if I didn't wear my Apple watch, there's like a move thing, right?

00:26:14 ◼   ► It will track, it still gives you a move ring, which is fine.

00:26:17 ◼   ► Um, when it's in your pocket.

00:26:19 ◼   ► When it's in your pocket.

00:26:21 ◼   ► So yeah, this is where I'm thinking.

00:26:23 ◼   ► I don't know where, where I am on this.

00:26:25 ◼   ► Uh, what I am, I want to hear what you guys have to say and then I'll, I'll kind of give

00:26:30 ◼   ► my little conclusion for now.

00:26:31 ◼   ► So kind of what, if I, if I say this kind of thing, like, what does it make you feel?

00:26:35 ◼   ► What is your relationship to the Apple watch right now?

00:26:37 ◼   ► Like, what do you think?

00:26:38 ◼   ► I mean, I always wore a watch, so it's a watch.

00:26:42 ◼   ► I, I use it for fitness, but like you, like, I kind of don't care, but like when I'm, when

00:26:50 ◼   ► I'm running and running intervals and running time, it's really useful to say, I'm going to

00:26:54 ◼   ► run for 10 minutes or run for 20 minutes and have that on my watch.

00:26:57 ◼   ► That's nice to have.

00:26:59 ◼   ► And when I'm doing couch to 5k or any other kind of interval training, I can actually do

00:27:04 ◼   ► where it's, you know, it'll chime or talk to me or whatever and say, start running, stop

00:27:08 ◼   ► running.

00:27:08 ◼   ► And I find that really useful.

00:27:10 ◼   ► And as you guys know, I try very hard when I'm walking the dog or going for a run or whatever

00:27:15 ◼   ► to not bring my iPhone.

00:27:18 ◼   ► Cause I don't like it wiggling around in my pocket.

00:27:20 ◼   ► And so I just use my watch and my, my AirPods.

00:27:23 ◼   ► So I would miss all of that, right.

00:27:25 ◼   ► If I stopped using it, cause I use it for all of those things.

00:27:29 ◼   ► I could put it on to do fitness.

00:27:33 ◼   ► Um, the other thing is I use it again.

00:27:36 ◼   ► I could do use my, um, phone for these things, but like I use it.

00:27:40 ◼   ► All my Apple pay is on my watch.

00:27:43 ◼   ► I never use, I never use my watch for Apple pay.

00:27:46 ◼   ► I don't use my phone for, for Apple pay at all.

00:27:49 ◼   ► I only use my watch ever since day one, uh, when I bought peanut butter at whole foods,

00:27:55 ◼   ► like Apple watch all the way.

00:27:56 ◼   ► And, uh, the moment I got my Apple watch anyway.

00:28:00 ◼   ► And, um, and then, um, I have a, I have a home key door lock on my front door and it's

00:28:07 ◼   ► the same thing.

00:28:08 ◼   ► I really prefer just tapping it with my watch to getting my phone out of my pocket and holding

00:28:13 ◼   ► it up to the, um, to the door in order to unlock the front door.

00:28:18 ◼   ► So I, I, you know, I wouldn't call it essential, but I feel like my life would definitely not

00:28:24 ◼   ► be as nice.

00:28:26 ◼   ► If I took the Apple watch out of it, I would say that you, you were definitely more embedded

00:28:31 ◼   ► than the Apple watch than me.

00:28:32 ◼   ► Like for those reasons, I feel like if I did those three things, I would, it wouldn't even

00:28:37 ◼   ► be a question for me of like, would I wear the Apple watch or not?

00:28:40 ◼   ► Like if I'm unlocking my door, I know you could have other ways, but if I was using Apple pay,

00:28:44 ◼   ► like it would just be like ingrained.

00:28:47 ◼   ► I use my phone for Apple pay.

00:28:49 ◼   ► I don't know why.

00:28:50 ◼   ► I don't know why.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Like, I know I have used my watch.

00:28:54 ◼   ► I think I don't like the, sometimes it's like awkward.

00:28:58 ◼   ► You just like putting your wrist up there, you know, like I don't like the way you have

00:29:01 ◼   ► to do it on the tube.

00:29:02 ◼   ► You have to kind of reach across yourself because all of the, all of the readers are on the right

00:29:06 ◼   ► hand side.

00:29:07 ◼   ► And so.

00:29:07 ◼   ► All right.

00:29:08 ◼   ► That's, that's fair.

00:29:10 ◼   ► Although do you have to, do you have to face ID?

00:29:12 ◼   ► Uh, no express transit.

00:29:14 ◼   ► So express transit, you don't, but to pay, you have to double tap the side of the thing and

00:29:19 ◼   ► then face ID and then tap to pay, right?

00:29:21 ◼   ► Correct.

00:29:22 ◼   ► And all I have to do, like literally, I just did this this weekend when we were on our trip

00:29:26 ◼   ► and I need to buy something.

00:29:27 ◼   ► I don't even know what, uh, uh, transit tickets or something.

00:29:31 ◼   ► And like, literally I'm wearing a hoodie, long sleeve.

00:29:33 ◼   ► I reach under my hoodie and go tap, tap on my watch and then just beep and we're done.

00:29:38 ◼   ► I don't have to look at it.

00:29:40 ◼   ► I don't have to do anything.

00:29:41 ◼   ► That is nice.

00:29:42 ◼   ► I don't even have to expose it because it goes through the hoodie and it's just, and then

00:29:46 ◼   ► I'm done.

00:29:46 ◼   ► That is nice.

00:29:48 ◼   ► If, if I ever thought about the fact that I was using face ID, then maybe it would

00:29:53 ◼   ► annoy me.

00:29:54 ◼   ► Do you know what I mean?

00:29:54 ◼   ► Like I just, I don't even think about it.

00:29:56 ◼   ► It's not like a thing that I realize because it's so easy to do face ID, right?

00:30:01 ◼   ► Like essentially all I just have to do is just double tap it and my phone just has to

00:30:04 ◼   ► be in proximity of my face, which is not, not that difficult.

00:30:08 ◼   ► I have a big head.

00:30:08 ◼   ► Stephen, what about you?

00:30:11 ◼   ► I mean, right now I'm mega watch because we're working on iOS 26, watchOS 26 stuff.

00:30:17 ◼   ► And, uh, I actually have, um, two watches on sometimes.

00:30:22 ◼   ► Whoa.

00:30:23 ◼   ► You're one of those guys.

00:30:25 ◼   ► I love it.

00:30:25 ◼   ► I love this for me to know this.

00:30:27 ◼   ► You know, I love this.

00:30:28 ◼   ► Uh, it's something it's the underscore lifestyle.

00:30:31 ◼   ► You'll be there soon, Mike.

00:30:32 ◼   ► No, I don't test.

00:30:34 ◼   ► I don't have to worry about that.

00:30:35 ◼   ► It doesn't matter.

00:30:35 ◼   ► It's company policy.

00:30:36 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:30:37 ◼   ► Company policy to watches, but you can attach one to a crock.

00:30:41 ◼   ► Apparently.

00:30:41 ◼   ► Oh, great.

00:30:43 ◼   ► I'll do that.

00:30:43 ◼   ► Left watch, right watch, but I, but I watch night watch.

00:30:46 ◼   ► I can tell you now I'm going to take a break from the Apple watch after these releases

00:30:49 ◼   ► are done.

00:30:50 ◼   ► Like I, I have these phases and, um, I haven't worn my Apple watch on Sundays for a while.

00:30:58 ◼   ► That's nice.

00:30:59 ◼   ► It's nice to have a break from it.

00:31:00 ◼   ► And, you know, I, I don't have the issue of like a little kid tapping it.

00:31:04 ◼   ► Although we had that with one of our kids.

00:31:06 ◼   ► I forget which one.

00:31:07 ◼   ► Um, that's a very real thing.

00:31:10 ◼   ► Uh, yes, it would have had a been Jude.

00:31:13 ◼   ► It had to have been Jude.

00:31:14 ◼   ► Yeah, it was my youngest.

00:31:17 ◼   ► Uh, so yeah, the, the others, I guess we're too old for that, but you know, I really want

00:31:24 ◼   ► an Apple to just to make a fitness band that doesn't have a screen and I can wear my other

00:31:28 ◼   ► wrist, but they're not going to do it.

00:31:29 ◼   ► Or even a, and I'm not a ring person.

00:31:31 ◼   ► Like my wedding band is tattooed on.

00:31:33 ◼   ► I don't wear any rings.

00:31:34 ◼   ► I would consider a ring.

00:31:37 ◼   ► If it did all the fitness stuff, the Apple watch does, but yeah, me too.

00:31:41 ◼   ► So, uh, two things on this one, uh, unfortunately we're going to get the email.

00:31:46 ◼   ► I was talking about, we were talking about this in the pro show about trying to stop ourselves

00:31:49 ◼   ► from getting an email.

00:31:50 ◼   ► Uh, but it's going to happen anyway.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Um, I know you can use cinema mode, right?

00:31:55 ◼   ► Which turns off the screen.

00:31:56 ◼   ► I do not want to wear an Apple watch if the screen is off.

00:32:00 ◼   ► What's the point?

00:32:00 ◼   ► Right.

00:32:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:01 ◼   ► Right.

00:32:02 ◼   ► Like what is the point of it?

00:32:03 ◼   ► The other thing to note.

00:32:04 ◼   ► So, okay.

00:32:05 ◼   ► So here's the, where I'm getting to this is I think today I'm going to take my Apple watch

00:32:10 ◼   ► off and I'm going to see where I am in a week.

00:32:12 ◼   ► Right.

00:32:14 ◼   ► So I'm going to not wear my Apple watch for a week and I'll report back next week on the

00:32:17 ◼   ► show as to what, what that experience is like.

00:32:20 ◼   ► The other thing to note is I do have a small watch collection that I miss greatly from when

00:32:26 ◼   ► I, there was a long time where I didn't wear an Apple watch, like maybe years.

00:32:30 ◼   ► And I miss my watches and like my, they're like nice watches.

00:32:34 ◼   ► I have a couple that are on the, that were expensive for me and a bunch that aren't.

00:32:38 ◼   ► And the thing is, if I ever wear a mechanical watch now, I always go for the things that are

00:32:43 ◼   ► like the top end of my collection, but I have lots of watches that I enjoy.

00:32:47 ◼   ► I used to change them up every couple of days, put on a different watch.

00:32:50 ◼   ► And so I'm going to do that.

00:32:51 ◼   ► I'm going to wear a bunch of watches of my, from my collection over the next week to see

00:32:57 ◼   ► what that experience is like.

00:32:58 ◼   ► And then I'll talk about it on the show next week.

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00:35:06 ◼   ► There's a new beta.

00:35:09 ◼   ► I was 26 beta five.

00:35:11 ◼   ► Developer beta five.

00:35:14 ◼   ► Developer beta five.

00:35:15 ◼   ► There's no, I don't think there's been a new public beta yet.

00:35:18 ◼   ► No, usually it's every other one.

00:35:21 ◼   ► So there are a few changes, mostly changes that Mike asked for.

00:35:26 ◼   ► So Mike, do you want to take a victory lap?

00:35:27 ◼   ► I feel so great about this.

00:35:29 ◼   ► Like I installed the beta.

00:35:31 ◼   ► I was got very upset about two things specifically, and they've both been changed.

00:35:36 ◼   ► So one, the select buttons returned in mail.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Excellent.

00:35:39 ◼   ► Just fantastic.

00:35:40 ◼   ► Thank you for doing this.

00:35:42 ◼   ► I'm so happy.

00:35:42 ◼   ► The other one is they have added.

00:35:44 ◼   ► No, they've done what I want, but not the way that I want it.

00:35:47 ◼   ► I still think it's wrong.

00:35:48 ◼   ► So the camera video switching thing where you can switch between the modes in the camera

00:35:55 ◼   ► app, I maintain that the selector goes in the wrong direction, that it's working more like

00:36:03 ◼   ► the text selecting loop than a dial, which it is obviously a dial.

00:36:08 ◼   ► It's a camera.

00:36:10 ◼   ► It's meant to be a dial, but they're doing it in the wrong way.

00:36:13 ◼   ► So if you move right, if you move your finger right, the selector goes right where it should

00:36:20 ◼   ► go left, which is how everything else scrolling-wise works.

00:36:23 ◼   ► Right.

00:36:23 ◼   ► You're moving the selector.

00:36:25 ◼   ► The metaphor is you're moving the selector instead of the dial.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:36:29 ◼   ► Well, there is a setting called mode switching, and you can turn on a setting called classic

00:36:35 ◼   ► mode switching, which is hilarious because there was no mode switching before.

00:36:40 ◼   ► So actually, technically, classic mode switching should be what they shipped in 26, and this

00:36:47 ◼   ► would be, I don't know, reversed.

00:36:49 ◼   ► But you can reverse the scroll of the direction, and it immediately makes way more sense to me

00:36:54 ◼   ► because it works the way it should, the way that basically all iOS scrolling works, which

00:37:01 ◼   ► is what is known as natural rather than reversed, like with trackpads.

00:37:05 ◼   ► So I feel fantastic.

00:37:06 ◼   ► Beta 5 is the best beta of all betas.

00:37:08 ◼   ► They've given me the two things that I care about the most.

00:37:11 ◼   ► They did it.

00:37:12 ◼   ► So thank you to everybody at Apple for paying attention to what I was looking for.

00:37:16 ◼   ► No, it's great.

00:37:18 ◼   ► The select button in the mail is just a nutty choice to get rid of.

00:37:21 ◼   ► Unbelievable.

00:37:22 ◼   ► Truly unbelievable.

00:37:23 ◼   ► And I'm happy that they saw the error there was on that one because that was going to be

00:37:27 ◼   ► a problem.

00:37:28 ◼   ► Like that was absolutely going to be a problem.

00:37:30 ◼   ► You know, people are talking about like liquid glass.

00:37:33 ◼   ► People are going to hate it.

00:37:34 ◼   ► I just want to say, I don't think people are going to hate liquid glass.

00:37:37 ◼   ► I think they're going to like it.

00:37:38 ◼   ► I think the problem is going to be the camera thing.

00:37:40 ◼   ► Like the more I've used iOS 26, I think people are going to react to the camera mode changing

00:37:48 ◼   ► the way they reacted to the photos redesign.

00:37:51 ◼   ► Because it is absolutely not obvious where anything is.

00:37:56 ◼   ► It's hard to find.

00:37:58 ◼   ► And when you try to find it, it goes in the wrong direction.

00:38:01 ◼   ► And when you try to find it, it's broken.

00:38:03 ◼   ► So like I think that that is actually going to be the most contentious thing.

00:38:07 ◼   ► Like I don't think iOS 26 is going to be that contentious.

00:38:10 ◼   ► Like this is where I'm coming down on.

00:38:13 ◼   ► I don't think it's going to be a problem.

00:38:15 ◼   ► But I think little things like that will be more of the problem.

00:38:19 ◼   ► Like the way that you actually use the device.

00:38:21 ◼   ► I don't think people pay as much attention to design as we do.

00:38:24 ◼   ► That metaphor makes more sense.

00:38:26 ◼   ► The idea that you have a circular control wheel, the top of which is sort of in the light

00:38:35 ◼   ► and a little lighter and you move it around.

00:38:38 ◼   ► Or that there is a floating glob of glass on top of a circular object.

00:38:45 ◼   ► And when you move it, it doesn't move much.

00:38:49 ◼   ► But is it like the camera pivots around?

00:38:55 ◼   ► Because is the wheel moving?

00:38:56 ◼   ► Because the thing is moving.

00:38:57 ◼   ► Is the thing moving the wheel?

00:38:59 ◼   ► Like this is one of those examples where they're like do liquid glass on this thing.

00:39:03 ◼   ► But like it completely breaks the metaphor.

00:39:05 ◼   ► Plus it's backward.

00:39:06 ◼   ► Like it would be better in classic mode.

00:39:11 ◼   ► But I would argue still as cool as that floating blob is, it doesn't make sense.

00:39:17 ◼   ► Like what is it supposed to be doing in that?

00:39:20 ◼   ► It just doesn't follow.

00:39:22 ◼   ► I just don't.

00:39:23 ◼   ► I don't think it makes sense.

00:39:24 ◼   ► Well, honestly, like what should happen in my opinion is video and photo are individual buttons.

00:39:30 ◼   ► And when you tap them, you can choose the options.

00:39:32 ◼   ► And when you tap them right now, you get a bunch of other settings like live, timer, aspect.

00:39:37 ◼   ► They shouldn't.

00:39:38 ◼   ► That should be somewhere else.

00:39:39 ◼   ► That should be up at the top where I think it is actually in there twice for some reason.

00:39:43 ◼   ► You can get that.

00:39:44 ◼   ► I think you should tap photo and then you see like portrait and spatial and all that kind of stuff.

00:39:49 ◼   ► I think that is actually how this should work in my opinion.

00:39:52 ◼   ► The thing that's most frustrating about it is they have a way for you to do that.

00:39:56 ◼   ► Contextual menus are all over the place in iOS and iPadOS 26.

00:40:00 ◼   ► I'm not saying that's the right UI element for this, but the whole thing is strange.

00:40:06 ◼   ► And I said this last week and I want to say it again.

00:40:09 ◼   ► There's nothing more worrying to me about liquid glass than how uneven it is distributed across Apple's own ecosystem.

00:40:20 ◼   ► The betas have not tied that together the way that I thought they would so far.

00:40:25 ◼   ► Like that, especially on the Mac, like music, maximum liquid glass.

00:40:31 ◼   ► Music is an app that is 400 years old.

00:40:34 ◼   ► There's still iTunes code in music.

00:40:36 ◼   ► It is ancient.

00:40:37 ◼   ► But then you look at some other things that are seemingly much more modern and very little liquid glass.

00:40:44 ◼   ► And then you have something like this, like the controls in Safari and camera look basically the same, but they work totally different.

00:40:51 ◼   ► It's the lack of attention to the broad detail that worries me.

00:40:57 ◼   ► Like it doesn't seem like, I think a few things have happened.

00:41:01 ◼   ► One, these teams, like the app teams, got this pretty late in the game potentially.

00:41:07 ◼   ► And when that, when it was handed off from Alan Dye and his team to the folks making reminders and notes and Safari and all these other apps, they either didn't have a toolbox built for them.

00:41:22 ◼   ► Like this is how you do these things, which is problematic or, okay, we don't have a toolbox, but these are the guidelines and these teams have been let.

00:41:31 ◼   ► So instead these teams have been left to interpret liquid glass in the way they see fit.

00:41:35 ◼   ► And so you end up with a real hodgepodge of things across Apple's own apps in a way that we really haven't seen in a long time.

00:41:43 ◼   ► Like I'm kind of, this is for, this is for the Snell heads in the room.

00:41:49 ◼   ► It kind of reminds me of Mac OS 10 and like the tiger era where you had some brushed metal and some aqua stuff was still hanging around.

00:41:56 ◼   ► And then you had like mail, which was hit by the ugly stick and tiger.

00:42:00 ◼   ► And in leopard, they said, we have all these window schemes.

00:42:03 ◼   ► We're unifying everything.

00:42:05 ◼   ► And liquid glass hasn't actually done that.

00:42:09 ◼   ► It's actually, I think maybe more fragmented in some ways.

00:42:12 ◼   ► And the camera setting is just like the, the, the shining example of that.

00:42:19 ◼   ► I think.

00:42:19 ◼   ► Well, now first, don't bring me into this.

00:42:21 ◼   ► When you're calling out tiger screenshots, those are for the Hackett heads.

00:42:24 ◼   ► Just let's, let's be clear.

00:42:25 ◼   ► Those are for the Hackett heads.

00:42:27 ◼   ► Uh, I get what you're laying down, but that is, that is the most Stephen Hackett thing you've said in a while in the last 10 minutes anyway.

00:42:33 ◼   ► Um, I think there's another option, which is that they, that they drag in their feet, that the, the individual teams are like a boy.

00:42:41 ◼   ► Uh, and can you blame them if it keeps changing?

00:42:45 ◼   ► Keeps changing.

00:42:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:42:46 ◼   ► And, and I, I think of it from the perspective, we know a lot of, uh, uh, independent app developers who are grappling with this.

00:42:53 ◼   ► I will also say, we know a lot of people who do like stories and books and things about this.

00:42:58 ◼   ► And all of those people are looking at every beta and going, where is it going to end?

00:43:04 ◼   ► Right?

00:43:04 ◼   ► Like, can't decide.

00:43:06 ◼   ► I was watching, um, oh, who was it?

00:43:08 ◼   ► Was it, was it Marco?

00:43:09 ◼   ► Somebody was on Mastodon saying, well, I can't use this control.

00:43:15 ◼   ► And Steve Trout and Smith came back and said, oh, that's just busted in this beta.

00:43:19 ◼   ► Wait for the next beta.

00:43:20 ◼   ► Oh, was it James Thompson?

00:43:21 ◼   ► That's right.

00:43:22 ◼   ► Cause he was, he looked at his code.

00:43:23 ◼   ► So, oh, it's busted.

00:43:26 ◼   ► And, and, and if you're inside Apple, I'm sure there's lots of like, you got to do this.

00:43:30 ◼   ► This is evangelizing all of that.

00:43:32 ◼   ► I do wonder if some of those teams are like, eh, what's the minimum we need to do?

00:43:37 ◼   ► We got other stuff we need to do.

00:43:38 ◼   ► We, you know, it doesn't matter if we're not there and it's like, and they're just going

00:43:43 ◼   ► to change their mind and we're going to have to undo what we did.

00:43:47 ◼   ► So maybe we'll just drag our feet a little bit.

00:43:48 ◼   ► Now I'm not saying that that's healthy.

00:43:50 ◼   ► I'm saying that that's actually kind of unhealthy from an organizational structure perspective,

00:43:53 ◼   ► but it seems totally reasonable that you might say, let's just not.

00:43:58 ◼   ► And so the result, especially on the Mac is you have certain apps that have gotten that

00:44:03 ◼   ► old time liquid glass religion.

00:44:05 ◼   ► And they're like, yeah, baby photos.

00:44:07 ◼   ► It's all glass music.

00:44:09 ◼   ► It's all glass.

00:44:11 ◼   ► You can't read a thing.

00:44:12 ◼   ► Great.

00:44:12 ◼   ► And then there are other apps where it's just like, you would never know that there's a new

00:44:16 ◼   ► UI.

00:44:17 ◼   ► So I, you know, it is, which is not a good look, right?

00:44:20 ◼   ► It's not a good look.

00:44:21 ◼   ► No.

00:44:21 ◼   ► Uh, there's something new though, in Tahoe developer beta five, the Macintosh HD logo.

00:44:28 ◼   ► That was a spinning hard drive.

00:44:30 ◼   ► I think it's been basically the same throughout the whole OS 10 era.

00:44:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:34 ◼   ► Uh, updated with a solid state ish icon.

00:44:38 ◼   ► Jason, you and I texted you as soon as I saw this.

00:44:41 ◼   ► Yep.

00:44:42 ◼   ► Um, thank you for all the snow heads out there.

00:44:44 ◼   ► All the snow heads.

00:44:45 ◼   ► Yep.

00:44:46 ◼   ► It, um, it's definitely much more in line.

00:44:49 ◼   ► So you can see in my blog post, I took a screenshot of beta four and then beta five.

00:44:53 ◼   ► It's much more in line with the other beta five icon.

00:44:56 ◼   ► So time machine.

00:44:57 ◼   ► And I've got a couple of, uh, server.

00:45:00 ◼   ► Steven, this is so much storage.

00:45:02 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:45:03 ◼   ► So much storage.

00:45:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:06 ◼   ► There's like 60 terabytes or something.

00:45:09 ◼   ► I bought a NAS.

00:45:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:10 ◼   ► Uh, moved a bunch of stuff off.

00:45:12 ◼   ► Yes.

00:45:14 ◼   ► Where's the eight terabytes?

00:45:16 ◼   ► This is on my MacBook Air.

00:45:17 ◼   ► Uh, I do not run Tahoe on my MacBook Pro.

00:45:20 ◼   ► This is, this is my beta machine.

00:45:24 ◼   ► Wait, so now you have, now you have like 50 terabytes on a network attack storage.

00:45:31 ◼   ► No, it's, it's like 24 terabytes.

00:45:34 ◼   ► That's the same NAS, but two volumes on the same rate.

00:45:38 ◼   ► Okay.

00:45:39 ◼   ► That's weird.

00:45:39 ◼   ► Um, yeah.

00:45:41 ◼   ► Unify.

00:45:42 ◼   ► The eight terabytes of stuff that's on your MacBook Pro.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:45:46 ◼   ► How much of it is also on the NAS?

00:45:50 ◼   ► So I hit, okay.

00:45:52 ◼   ► Who's going to do this?

00:45:54 ◼   ► I'm asking.

00:45:56 ◼   ► I hit the eight terabytes on my MacBook Pro.

00:45:59 ◼   ► And so I.

00:46:01 ◼   ► Say that again?

00:46:04 ◼   ► I came across a treasure trove of tech history files I wanted.

00:46:09 ◼   ► How have you done this?

00:46:12 ◼   ► And I effectively filled my laptop.

00:46:15 ◼   ► And so this was a while back.

00:46:19 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:46:19 ◼   ► And so I bought, uh, this is the, the Unify, the UNAS Pro.

00:46:24 ◼   ► It's their, their NAS product.

00:46:26 ◼   ► Uh, so I bought one of those, filled it with eight terabyte hard drives and moved a ton.

00:46:33 ◼   ► Devon think is still on my laptop, but a bunch of stuff that wasn't in Devon think is now on the NAS.

00:46:40 ◼   ► And I moved like our, our, our shared family, like legacy, Steven iTunes library to the NAS.

00:46:46 ◼   ► That's what that media volume is.

00:46:48 ◼   ► Um, so now I have six terabytes of eight terabytes free on my MacBook Pro, which means I will not buy another eight terabyte MacBook Pro ever again.

00:46:58 ◼   ► I will buy the four terabyte and have half of it full.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Wow.

00:47:03 ◼   ► Or Mac mini or Mac studio, whatever, you know, whatever comes next.

00:47:06 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:47:06 ◼   ► Wow.

00:47:07 ◼   ► That's incredible.

00:47:08 ◼   ► So the new drive icon matches these other icons.

00:47:13 ◼   ► You don't want to answer my question.

00:47:14 ◼   ► I have questions about the raid.

00:47:15 ◼   ► Are you raiding that, that new NAS?

00:47:17 ◼   ► Is it, is it like, so if one of the drives dies, you can swap it in and all that stuff?

00:47:21 ◼   ► I have.

00:47:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:22 ◼   ► There's a, there's a, uh, there's like a, uh, what, um, there's a drive that's set up with the, uh, like the data backup thing.

00:47:33 ◼   ► I should just log into it.

00:47:34 ◼   ► You know what?

00:47:35 ◼   ► I'm just going to log into it.

00:47:35 ◼   ► What is the raid called?

00:47:37 ◼   ► I want to put it in the show notes.

00:47:38 ◼   ► The UNAS Pro.

00:47:39 ◼   ► By UNAS Pro.

00:47:41 ◼   ► Oh, this looks like something you would buy.

00:47:43 ◼   ► This really looks like something.

00:47:46 ◼   ► It looks like an XSov.

00:47:47 ◼   ► It does.

00:47:48 ◼   ► That's what it looks like.

00:47:49 ◼   ► So I have, uh, seven hard drives, seven, eight terabyte hard drives in it.

00:47:55 ◼   ► Cool.

00:47:55 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:56 ◼   ► One storage pool.

00:47:57 ◼   ► One is a hot spare.

00:48:01 ◼   ► So it is just sitting there.

00:48:04 ◼   ► If a drive dies, it can jump in.

00:48:07 ◼   ► These are spinning?

00:48:08 ◼   ► Spinning discs?

00:48:09 ◼   ► Uh, yes.

00:48:10 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:48:11 ◼   ► Okay.

00:48:11 ◼   ► Um, that'd be like $10,000 in SSDs.

00:48:15 ◼   ► Honestly, I was hoping I'd catch you in saying no.

00:48:18 ◼   ► Yeah, that would be incredible.

00:48:19 ◼   ► Right?

00:48:19 ◼   ► Like, ah, I gotcha.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:21 ◼   ► I gotcha.

00:48:22 ◼   ► And so I have it set up, I have it set up where, um, uh, OneDrive is set up with, uh, for redundancy.

00:48:29 ◼   ► So like the, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?

00:48:33 ◼   ► Chatroom, help me out.

00:48:33 ◼   ► The, uh, the, the UI, the UNAS Pro does not use regular RAID words, which I find frustrating.

00:48:44 ◼   ► Um, but, uh, I'm using, so I've got, I've got drives that are redundant and then I have

00:48:53 ◼   ► a hot spare.

00:48:54 ◼   ► So it's all backed up.

00:48:55 ◼   ► Jim, please fix any of that you want to.

00:48:57 ◼   ► It's all, it's all safe and sound.

00:48:59 ◼   ► That was terrible.

00:49:00 ◼   ► Uh, any other questions?

00:49:04 ◼   ► Can we go back to the matter at hand?

00:49:06 ◼   ► Please.

00:49:07 ◼   ► This, this icon.

00:49:09 ◼   ► Now I'm seeing a lot of people really mad about this one.

00:49:12 ◼   ► Steven, you mad about this one?

00:49:13 ◼   ► No, I'm running RAID 10.

00:49:14 ◼   ► There we go.

00:49:15 ◼   ► I finally found it.

00:49:15 ◼   ► I'm running RAID 10 with a, with one hot spare.

00:49:18 ◼   ► Uh, no, no, I don't love it, but I, it was time for a change here probably.

00:49:24 ◼   ► And the old one clearly didn't match the other new ones.

00:49:26 ◼   ► Maybe it's this one though.

00:49:28 ◼   ► I mean, why are there holes in the bottom of this one?

00:49:30 ◼   ► Why are there holes in the bottom?

00:49:32 ◼   ► Why is the Apple logo on it?

00:49:33 ◼   ► I think most people are mad about the perspective change.

00:49:36 ◼   ► Yes.

00:49:37 ◼   ► Why?

00:49:37 ◼   ► Like, well, I mean, the perspective hasn't changed.

00:49:42 ◼   ► Well, okay.

00:49:43 ◼   ► Okay.

00:49:43 ◼   ► I guess it's changed, but it matches the other ones.

00:49:45 ◼   ► It matches the other ones.

00:49:46 ◼   ► What I don't like is that to my eye, the icons on the hard drives do not tilt.

00:49:52 ◼   ► They're not like tilted backwards in the way that the drives are, right?

00:49:57 ◼   ► Because you can, you can see the front face of the drives, but it looks like the, to me,

00:50:02 ◼   ► to my eyes, it looks like the logos are straight on there.

00:50:05 ◼   ► They haven't got any perspective shift on them.

00:50:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:08 ◼   ► You know why I'm going to put money down?

00:50:11 ◼   ► They didn't want to perspective shift the Apple logo, but they're not doing it.

00:50:14 ◼   ► They weren't doing it before though to time machine and yeah, but, but I think they knew

00:50:18 ◼   ► this one was coming and so they didn't do any of them is my guess is that that branding

00:50:25 ◼   ► said, no, you can't, you can't skew the Apple logo.

00:50:28 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:29 ◼   ► Look, I don't, I don't have a problem with this, with the spinning drive going away because

00:50:33 ◼   ► nobody sees those drives anymore except if you're updating your, your raid.

00:50:37 ◼   ► Steven, I just logged into my soft raid and it told me I need to replace one of the drives.

00:50:41 ◼   ► Oh no, dude.

00:50:42 ◼   ► Well, it was, it was like, it's showing signs that it will fail in the next few weeks.

00:50:47 ◼   ► So please replace it.

00:50:48 ◼   ► I'm like, okay.

00:50:49 ◼   ► I imagine in that scenario, it's like the disc is coughing, you know, it's like walking around,

00:50:54 ◼   ► it's got a bad cough.

00:50:55 ◼   ► My disc, it's very sick.

00:50:56 ◼   ► It's sick.

00:50:58 ◼   ► So spinning discs, they suck and they're, and nobody uses them anymore except for us

00:51:04 ◼   ► maniacs with the raids.

00:51:05 ◼   ► So that's fine.

00:51:07 ◼   ► And I'll, I, somebody was complaining about this on the internet and I pointed out that

00:51:13 ◼   ► the, you know, the original hard drive logo is of course the, from classic Mac OS where

00:51:17 ◼   ► it's kind of a really long, it's the hard drive you put under your, your Mac classic basically.

00:51:22 ◼   ► Sure.

00:51:23 ◼   ► It's, it's just a long rectangle with a little dot on the front.

00:51:27 ◼   ► So they can bring that back if they wanted to, but like you taking the screenshot of the

00:51:33 ◼   ► external drives is the thing that really clinches it for me that those should all be identical,

00:51:37 ◼   ► right?

00:51:38 ◼   ► Like there should be a silver one in that style or a dark gray one or whatever with an Apple

00:51:43 ◼   ► logo on it.

00:51:44 ◼   ► That's Macintosh HD.

00:51:45 ◼   ► I don't know why they put the ports on it, especially since your internal hard drive does

00:51:49 ◼   ► not have ports.

00:51:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:50 ◼   ► It's soldered to the board.

00:51:52 ◼   ► It doesn't, it doesn't make any, it's, I mean, it's a chip, but if we want to pretend

00:51:56 ◼   ► that it's a drive, just use the generic drive that's on the system and, and spiff it up a

00:52:02 ◼   ► little bit to indicate that it's your Apple drive.

00:52:04 ◼   ► Because then all the people are out there saying that the, the, the logistics of it, the, the

00:52:09 ◼   ► angle and all that doesn't make sense and it doesn't read right.

00:52:11 ◼   ► Um, and, and like, I, I kind of don't care, but what bugs me more is that it doesn't look

00:52:17 ◼   ► like the other icons either.

00:52:18 ◼   ► I was actually going to say, no one should have these on the desktop.

00:52:22 ◼   ► I was going to ask, I have them on.

00:52:24 ◼   ► What about you, Jason?

00:52:26 ◼   ► Um, I don't because I know how to do command shift C to bring up computer and see my mounted

00:52:35 ◼   ► disks there.

00:52:36 ◼   ► Jason, remind me, are you a desktop user?

00:52:39 ◼   ► Jason, do you, you save things on your desktop, right?

00:52:41 ◼   ► I do put, I, I do put things on my desktop organized.

00:52:43 ◼   ► No, I have to say, no, it's not true.

00:52:45 ◼   ► Uh, external media do mount on the desktop, but not my internal drive, uh, because I have

00:52:51 ◼   ► a, I have a, uh, uh, SSD that, that mounts and runs carbon copy cloner in the afternoon

00:52:56 ◼   ► every day.

00:52:57 ◼   ► And so it will just appear on my desktop and then it will disappear again.

00:53:01 ◼   ► That makes sense though, because like, I think it's, it's sensible that you should be aware

00:53:05 ◼   ► of the fact that that is occurring when it's occurring.

00:53:07 ◼   ► And that's a way to like indicate that.

00:53:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:09 ◼   ► My, my active space of these are files I'm working on right now.

00:53:13 ◼   ► And the, not a filing system, but just an active workspace is my desktop.

00:53:18 ◼   ► And I do have it at some point.

00:53:20 ◼   ► I, I finally decided that I couldn't live like this and I started it sorted by name.

00:53:26 ◼   ► So there I keep it organized.

00:53:28 ◼   ► And so it's not like scattered across my desktop.

00:53:30 ◼   ► It's just in the upper right and kind of down.

00:53:32 ◼   ► And I mostly don't even use that.

00:53:34 ◼   ► I mostly, my default in Finder, when I open a new window is the desktop in Finder.

00:53:41 ◼   ► So I can see them all right there too.

00:53:43 ◼   ► But that's, that is because that's my workspace.

00:53:45 ◼   ► That's, it's just really easy to drag things out there.

00:53:48 ◼   ► And it is, it is how I live.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Can you still change the images of those drives to anything you want?

00:53:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:55 ◼   ► Then this is not a thing that anyone should be worried about.

00:53:58 ◼   ► It's just the default.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Like the fact that it changed the default.

00:54:01 ◼   ► They're hidden.

00:54:02 ◼   ► And so like on new installs, nothing is shown on the desktop anymore in terms of volume.

00:54:06 ◼   ► Because anyone that really cares knows how to change this.

00:54:11 ◼   ► That's right.

00:54:12 ◼   ► Right.

00:54:13 ◼   ► So like this just isn't a thing, but they should have changed it.

00:54:17 ◼   ► So there you go.

00:54:19 ◼   ► There's also a new airdrop icon.

00:54:22 ◼   ► And I just want to bring to the group this icon.

00:54:26 ◼   ► So the icon looks good.

00:54:30 ◼   ► You could say reminiscent because someone came up with this general design and they're using it everywhere.

00:54:38 ◼   ► So the new airdrop icon looks like a decapitated podcast icon.

00:54:44 ◼   ► They just straight up took the body off and took a pizza slice out of it.

00:54:49 ◼   ► And also it's an upside down version of the Find My icon too.

00:54:53 ◼   ► And I'm not sure of the visual, like the cohesion between airdrop podcasts and Find My, that they all look essentially the same.

00:55:05 ◼   ► Like I can't think of what it is that connects those three things.

00:55:11 ◼   ► I can maybe connect two at a time, but I can't connect all three of them.

00:55:15 ◼   ► It's weird.

00:55:19 ◼   ► I mean, Apple has had related icons before, like the old like Core ML, Core Audio, Core Graphics, right?

00:55:27 ◼   ► It was the same graphic, just the different colors.

00:55:29 ◼   ► But this is not that.

00:55:32 ◼   ► And all the waves represent something different, right?

00:55:36 ◼   ► Like they have reduced the metaphor so far that various metaphors have collapsed into themselves.

00:55:44 ◼   ► Because airdrop is radio waves to send stuff.

00:55:49 ◼   ► Find My is like a sonar metaphor or radar metaphor because it's got a sweeping, it's sweeping around a sonar track.

00:55:58 ◼   ► And podcasts is sound waves emanating from a stick figure's head, which is also weird.

00:56:05 ◼   ► Yeah, because it's like, is that coming from a podcaster or is it that the podcast waves get stronger as they get to the listener?

00:56:13 ◼   ► What is the metaphor?

00:56:16 ◼   ► It's Joe Rogan echoing out of people's brains.

00:56:18 ◼   ► Or into.

00:56:19 ◼   ► I know.

00:56:20 ◼   ► And they've said all the circles are the same.

00:56:21 ◼   ► It's like, well, yeah, but they are not the same.

00:56:23 ◼   ► It's like the head of a person.

00:56:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:56:27 ◼   ► And this is, I mean, this is a great example of it.

00:56:29 ◼   ► Somebody posted, I think it was BasicAppleGuy posted the history of the preview icon.

00:56:35 ◼   ► And it really made me sad.

00:56:37 ◼   ► Yeah, it's bad.

00:56:37 ◼   ► Because the preview icon used to be like a picture of a kid at the sea and another picture under it.

00:56:42 ◼   ► And then a photographer's loop.

00:56:43 ◼   ► And then they updated it and the kid disappeared.

00:56:45 ◼   ► What happened to that kid?

00:56:46 ◼   ► Hashtag find the kid.

00:56:47 ◼   ► And there was a different loop.

00:56:50 ◼   ► But then they're like, no, no, no.

00:56:52 ◼   ► We're going to just make it kind of like this thing, this loop and a round rect that looks like a photo.

00:57:01 ◼   ► And then the new one, it's just the loop, which nobody, it's like almost as bad as a floppy disk where nobody knows what that thing is.

00:57:09 ◼   ► It's completely unmoored from the metaphor that it originally had.

00:57:13 ◼   ► And I just, like, the only way you know that that loop means preview is because you've opened preview and seen an icon and go, oh, that must be what the preview icon is.

00:57:22 ◼   ► It's completely lost.

00:57:23 ◼   ► All context.

00:57:25 ◼   ► And I just, I mean, I'm not a fan.

00:57:28 ◼   ► In my little preview I wrote about macOS Tahoe, I'm not a fan of the shame box, right?

00:57:32 ◼   ► The little gray prison that apps that are slightly outside of normal are all thrown in by Tahoe.

00:57:38 ◼   ► I think it's a bad, I think Apple's got better ways to incentivize developers than putting their icons in a shame box.

00:57:45 ◼   ► But look at the result here, which is Apple living inside its own shame box has lost all, like, meaning in any of its icons now.

00:57:57 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:57:59 ◼   ► Yeah, it's strange.

00:58:00 ◼   ► And the thing that I, with looking at these pizza slice icons, what I see is the layered glass icon composer thing.

00:58:10 ◼   ► And that is cool.

00:58:12 ◼   ► I generally like that look.

00:58:13 ◼   ► I especially like it on Find My, like, where the sonar sweep is, like, blue and then it kind of fades to clear.

00:58:20 ◼   ► And some of these feel like you're just doing the layers because that's what you're supposed to do without a lot of thought behind them.

00:58:26 ◼   ► I just, I don't know.

00:58:29 ◼   ► And it's fine when they're big.

00:58:31 ◼   ► Like, if you click the link, I put a screenshot in the show notes.

00:58:33 ◼   ► Like, they're big.

00:58:34 ◼   ► It's easy to tell.

00:58:35 ◼   ► But when they're in a share sheet or in the sidebar somewhere, right?

00:58:39 ◼   ► Or in a list of searched apps, you need more distinguishing things.

00:58:45 ◼   ► And the color can help, for sure.

00:58:47 ◼   ► But color doesn't work for everybody, right?

00:58:49 ◼   ► As we know.

00:58:49 ◼   ► I just...

00:58:51 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:58:52 ◼   ► They've just become too samey.

00:58:55 ◼   ► And, you know, basic Apple guy's been posting a bunch of those.

00:58:59 ◼   ► And every time I see one of those posts from them, it's just Apple just continues to take more and more of the personality out.

00:59:09 ◼   ► Like, the poor Otto, right?

00:59:10 ◼   ► Otto had his legs and arms chopped off.

00:59:12 ◼   ► And it went from this beautiful icon that actually the Icon Factory did.

00:59:16 ◼   ► And now it's just like a...

00:59:18 ◼   ► It's the same guy who did my Incomparable Robot did Otto the Automator.

00:59:20 ◼   ► They're cousins.

00:59:21 ◼   ► I had no idea.

00:59:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:24 ◼   ► There's a lot of...

00:59:26 ◼   ► I mean, this is the thing is, I understand wanting to have a family and a concept of, like, this is what icons look like on our platforms.

00:59:37 ◼   ► But, like, it feels like it's gone so far now and all opposition is being crushed, right?

00:59:47 ◼   ► With Tahoe, especially, where it's like, no, you're a few pixels out.

00:59:50 ◼   ► You go in a gray box.

00:59:52 ◼   ► And most of those icons look really bad because they were trying to play with the concept of the round rect, but stick little parts of it out the edges.

01:00:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:01 ◼   ► And it's like being on a roller coaster.

01:00:03 ◼   ► It's like keep all the arms and legs inside the icon at all times, right?

01:00:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:08 ◼   ► Hmm.

01:00:09 ◼   ► That's just a little disappointing.

01:00:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:14 ◼   ► It's not the end of the world.

01:00:15 ◼   ► It's just...

01:00:16 ◼   ► It's too bad.

01:00:18 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not the First Finder logo, that's for sure.

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01:02:55 ◼   ► I want to touch base with iPadOS 26.

01:02:58 ◼   ► Jason, you wrote your first look on Six Colors.

01:03:02 ◼   ► Federico wrote one to Mac Stories.

01:03:04 ◼   ► And then Harry McCracken wrote one that is kind of contrarian a little bit to, I think, what a lot of people think.

01:03:13 ◼   ► And I just kind of wanted to see where y'all were with iPadOS 26 as two people who use the iPad a lot more than me.

01:03:21 ◼   ► And I can't help but think, like, in reading these pieces and kind of reflecting on the iPad, I can't help but think about the tension that has been in the iPad basically forever.

01:03:31 ◼   ► Like, people burned it in the beginning because it was just a big iPhone, but that was actually its strength in the beginning.

01:03:36 ◼   ► But now Apple has to serve a lot of different types of people with the iPad and with its user interface.

01:03:43 ◼   ► And how does Apple serve everyone?

01:03:46 ◼   ► Does iPadOS 26 get them closer to that goal?

01:03:48 ◼   ► I just want to know kind of where y'all are with it.

01:03:52 ◼   ► I'll start on the serving thing, if you don't mind.

01:03:55 ◼   ► They can't serve everyone.

01:03:56 ◼   ► And you cannot make happy the iPad user who wants the iPad to feel more like a laptop and also the person who wants it to just be the most simple version of multitasking that it can be.

01:04:12 ◼   ► Like, there is a real tension there.

01:04:15 ◼   ► And so, like, for example, for people that haven't read it, Harry McCracken's piece is essentially, Harry uses the, he's an iPad first person, but much prefers slide over and split view as ways to work and doesn't like the new windowing model.

01:04:31 ◼   ► And it's like, I respect Harry's position, but I just think ultimately from a multitasking perspective, the new version in iOS 26 is significantly better.

01:04:45 ◼   ► And I think if Apple want to serve people working on an iPad, doing more than one thing at a time on an iPad, they need to create a better model than split view and slide over because it didn't work, right?

01:05:00 ◼   ► If split view and slide over was a big success and everybody loved it, there wouldn't be a video or there wouldn't be videos and articles every year from people saying iPadOS just ain't it.

01:05:12 ◼   ► And those videos are still happening, but I think there's still much more, they are much more positive about iPadOS 26 than iPadOS 17 or whatever, because the system is just far superior in my mind.

01:05:28 ◼   ► And like, you can still do the two app split view, it works really well.

01:05:32 ◼   ► You can have apps that just, you've got two apps next to each other, if they're touching, you get the little resizable thing in between them.

01:05:39 ◼   ► Yes, you can't activate apps from slide over, but you can still have little windows, like it's just a new thing to learn, or you can just not do any of it and just use the single app experience.

01:05:50 ◼   ► I understand why people will miss it, but I just think this is absolutely a better overall system than what we've been working with all this time.

01:05:59 ◼   ► And I think all this time in is absolutely the right call to burn it down and start over, because it hasn't worked in the long term, it just hasn't.

01:06:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I link to Harry's piece, because I don't agree with it either, but I think somebody who uses the iPad as much as he does, and has had such a history with, you know, writing about computer stuff, I think you've got to listen to what he's saying.

01:06:20 ◼   ► I do agree that some of it is, it worked fine for me, so why change it?

01:06:24 ◼   ► And I think when they threw the stage manager and split view and slide over out and brought in this new thing, I think the assumption at Apple was, this is better, so everybody will like it.

01:06:39 ◼   ► And I do think it's better, and I do like it.

01:06:42 ◼   ► And so it makes me wonder, and honestly, I hear about slide over all the time, because I think Apple viewed slide over as this really kind of desperate, not quite multitasking thing that they did early on, and that they can throw it away now.

01:07:00 ◼   ► And what I'm hearing is that people, even in modern iPad context, like it, because they like the idea of having, like, quick access to an app that doesn't show up on the screen, but lives on the side.

01:07:11 ◼   ► And the truth is, they could implement something like that.

01:07:14 ◼   ► I mean, it's actually not that different from a picture-in-picture window that you can drag off the edge, and there's a little thing over there, a little tab on the side that says, hey, there's a thing over here with an arrow and, like, tap to bring it back out.

01:07:25 ◼   ► Like, maybe that is a thing that they should add to fulfill the need that I hear being expressed by people who, like, slide over.

01:07:32 ◼   ► The idea that you could put an app off to the side, and it's still open, whatever that means, but it's still there.

01:07:41 ◼   ► And then for quick access, it would just kind of, like, slide in or pop over your existing windows.

01:07:46 ◼   ► You'd use it, and then you'd dismiss it back to the side, and it's just kind of docked over there.

01:07:50 ◼   ► I think they could probably work something out.

01:07:52 ◼   ► That is what I'm hearing people are missing here.

01:07:55 ◼   ► And what you get by having this windowing mode that I think was a key factor in Apple deciding to do it this way is one of the biggest problems with iPad use by novices is that it was so easy to accidentally get something into slide over or split view.

01:08:15 ◼   ► And then how many people that I hear from was like, how do I get out of this, right?

01:08:20 ◼   ► Because they didn't go in it on purpose.

01:08:21 ◼   ► They dragged something somewhere, and they did something they didn't know what they were doing.

01:08:24 ◼   ► And then all of a sudden, they're in slide over or split view, and they don't know how they got there.

01:08:28 ◼   ► And so to make it just like a switch in control center, and you turn it off, and everything goes away, I think is like a huge support win for them.

01:08:37 ◼   ► But I totally hear what people are saying about slide over, and the picture-in-picture window is already there, right?

01:08:47 ◼   ► I feel like that is kind of what they want is, can I take a window and say, just hide, just go over there, and I'll bring you back when I need you.

01:08:56 ◼   ► Because I can see that as a use case, right?

01:08:58 ◼   ► It's actually not that bad.

01:08:59 ◼   ► The idea of like, I just got a little app over here in the corner, and I tap, and there it is, and I do a thing, and then boop, I send it back away.

01:09:06 ◼   ► That seems reasonable to me.

01:09:07 ◼   ► So it may just be that they didn't understand that use case and figured they were saving everybody so much by building this new thing that they could throw those away.

01:09:15 ◼   ► And they made an affordance for split view, and they didn't make one for slide over.

01:09:18 ◼   ► And I don't think you can just drag a window, kind of make it small, and kind of put it off on the side is quite what they're looking for.

01:09:25 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:09:26 ◼   ► So, you know, it's not actually dissimilar from the way that slide over worked a lot of the time, where you would slide a window away, and it would have that little tab that kind of stuck around on the edge of the screen.

01:09:38 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:09:38 ◼   ► I will say as well, though, like if you just want to have a bunch of little apps that are just there, stage manager on the iPad, on iPadOS 26 is great, and they're just over on the side.

01:09:48 ◼   ► Do you tap them, and they'll just pop up, and then you can tap, and they'll go back again?

01:09:51 ◼   ► Like, the combo, I would just say it.

01:09:55 ◼   ► Like, try it.

01:09:55 ◼   ► If you just try it.

01:09:57 ◼   ► Everybody needs to try it.

01:09:58 ◼   ► Like, forget about what stage manager was.

01:10:00 ◼   ► Like, if you use iPadOS 26, and you like the window management, just give stage manager a go-to.

01:10:06 ◼   ► You can combine the two of them, and it's a great time.

01:10:08 ◼   ► Like, it works fantastically.

01:10:09 ◼   ► This is the way it always should have been, because you end up with, like, these little workspaces that have a couple of different apps on them and stuff.

01:10:15 ◼   ► Like, it's worth a go.

01:10:17 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree.

01:10:18 ◼   ► Like, there could be an interesting way to do it, but I do think that they've, I think they've made the right set of choices in rethinking this whole thing.

01:10:26 ◼   ► I think that, like, if you think about it, like, really actually think about it, this is not the way that you would do it from scratch again.

01:10:37 ◼   ► Like, you do this, split view and slide over, when it's all you can do, right?

01:10:43 ◼   ► Like, when they came around to doing this version of iPadOS where it had these apps or whatever, this is just the only way they could get it done, would be my expectation.

01:10:52 ◼   ► Like, you could only have a couple of things open at a time, but now we're in a world where these things can be essentially fully resized on their own because that's just the way that iPad app design works now.

01:11:05 ◼   ► Like, this is absolutely the way to do it.

01:11:07 ◼   ► Like, it's superior, in my eyes, it's superior in every way.

01:11:10 ◼   ► And the ways in which it's, like, odd or you might miss something, you absolutely can find a way around it.

01:11:15 ◼   ► It's a better system, I think.

01:11:18 ◼   ► It's like, we don't ask for slide over on a Mac, like, no one's asking for that.

01:11:24 ◼   ► And so, and I think that there are good reasons for it.

01:11:26 ◼   ► Like, I think they found the perfect mix.

01:11:31 ◼   ► And I love my little computer that I use at home all the time.

01:11:35 ◼   ► My 11-inch iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard is, like, just perfect.

01:11:38 ◼   ► I think it's fantastic.

01:11:39 ◼   ► I'm so back in on the iPad, again, as a work tool.

01:11:44 ◼   ► It's brilliant.

01:11:46 ◼   ► I think they've just crushed it.

01:11:47 ◼   ► I agree.

01:11:48 ◼   ► I think it's great.

01:11:50 ◼   ► And I do think that if they could go back to the start, they would just do this.

01:11:55 ◼   ► I think that what happened is Apple, it was a legacy of the iPhone, right?

01:12:00 ◼   ► They were making a big iPhone.

01:12:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:02 ◼   ► And there are so many things.

01:12:04 ◼   ► Anybody who's tried to use the iPad over the last decade has realized, like, there's so many assumptions they made for the iPhone.

01:12:09 ◼   ► Made for the iPhone in the early days that made sense for the iPhone.

01:12:13 ◼   ► And then you scale it to an iPad, especially like an iPad Pro.

01:12:16 ◼   ► It's been, we're coming up 10 years of the iPad Pro, I believe.

01:12:20 ◼   ► I think it was introduced in November of 15.

01:12:24 ◼   ► And then all those iPhone decisions don't make sense.

01:12:27 ◼   ► But that was the foundation.

01:12:29 ◼   ► And up until a few years ago, it was even still just iOS running on an iPad, right?

01:12:33 ◼   ► And so I do think that that will ultimately benefit them if they make a folding phone, right?

01:12:38 ◼   ► Because the folding phone can pick up all the lessons that they've learned.

01:12:41 ◼   ► But the iPad itself and the legacy of iOS and the idea that they were kind of building a next generation platform that would be a replacement for computers like the Mac.

01:12:54 ◼   ► I think they got caught up in all of that and I'm like, let's just not do it.

01:12:57 ◼   ► And they had to go through that process and learn their lessons and all of that.

01:13:01 ◼   ► And they've come out the other side.

01:13:02 ◼   ► So if you took them back in time now, they wouldn't do it that way.

01:13:05 ◼   ► They would just say, let's just implement Mac style windowing and be done with it and make it a mode.

01:13:11 ◼   ► And then we're, you know, why not?

01:13:12 ◼   ► But instead, they've got to kind of, they had to process it and they have to deal with a legacy of a foundation of iOS that made a lot of assumptions.

01:13:21 ◼   ► Like, I mean, the fact that you still, other than bugs, every now and then somebody's like, oh, I got to play sound and video at the same time.

01:13:27 ◼   ► That's a bug.

01:13:28 ◼   ► It doesn't actually, isn't actually supposed to happen.

01:13:30 ◼   ► But that's a great example of like, on the Mac, you can play a video and you can have audio going and it all just kind of works.

01:13:36 ◼   ► And on the iPad, like if a video plays in your social media app while you're watching video, something is going to happen that's bad because it can't do two things at once.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Yeah, it's, I don't envy them trying to balance all of that.

01:13:51 ◼   ► And I think some people look at this, at the toggle, right?

01:13:54 ◼   ► Of like, do I want Mac multitasking or do I want one app at a time as a failure of design or like lack of bravery in their decision?

01:14:05 ◼   ► But I think the reality is they're, they are trying to meet the needs of as many people as they can.

01:14:09 ◼   ► I think the two modes is the perfect solution, honestly.

01:14:12 ◼   ► Like it literally is, do you want this or not?

01:14:15 ◼   ► And if not, you don't get it.

01:14:17 ◼   ► Like, cause I have, for Harry, I have sympathy for the people who are like, I just use my, my iPad in single window mode.

01:14:25 ◼   ► So all that multitasking is stupid.

01:14:27 ◼   ► I have no sympathy for them because don't use it.

01:14:29 ◼   ► You know, it's not, not every feature is for you.

01:14:32 ◼   ► That's okay.

01:14:33 ◼   ► But for those of us, it's for, it's so much better now.

01:14:37 ◼   ► And I think having it be a switch as, as simple as that is.

01:14:41 ◼   ► And it's like, what mode do you want?

01:14:43 ◼   ► And I switch back and forth all the time between the two modes.

01:14:45 ◼   ► But like, if you don't care about it, don't ever use that feature and it's not going to mess up the iPad.

01:14:50 ◼   ► And I think that's why it's super important that Apple does it this way.

01:14:53 ◼   ► Cause they know a huge chunk of the iPad audience doesn't care.

01:14:56 ◼   ► And, and so let them just use it the way they use it and not ever worry about it.

01:15:00 ◼   ► And that was the problem with accidental gestures, turning things into split view and slide over was those people did not want to see those things.

01:15:09 ◼   ► And now they will never see them.

01:15:10 ◼   ► We did have a question about the iPad, um, from listener Albert, not the cat.

01:15:18 ◼   ► My cat's name is Albert.

01:15:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:20 ◼   ► Now, now, now your cat's name is Albert.

01:15:22 ◼   ► No, it was before.

01:15:23 ◼   ► Yes.

01:15:24 ◼   ► It was a different, it was Piper.

01:15:26 ◼   ► And then back when you misgendered the cat, but that's a different story.

01:15:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:30 ◼   ► It's easy to do with kittens.

01:15:31 ◼   ► It turns out Albert, not the cat wrote in, I am planning on updating my 2017, 12.9 inch iPad pro later this year.

01:15:39 ◼   ► In your expert opinions, what do you think will be the biggest three to five things I will notice most?

01:15:45 ◼   ► Let me start by saying I wished I was Albert.

01:15:48 ◼   ► The cat?

01:15:49 ◼   ► The cat.

01:15:51 ◼   ► I wished that I used a piece of technology frequently, which I'm assuming Albert does.

01:16:00 ◼   ► where I could make such a shift.

01:16:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:16:04 ◼   ► The 2017 12.9 inch iPad pro has touch ID.

01:16:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:16:09 ◼   ► The touch ID home button.

01:16:10 ◼   ► Yeah, man.

01:16:11 ◼   ► Right.

01:16:12 ◼   ► To put that into like a little bit into perspective.

01:16:14 ◼   ► Right.

01:16:15 ◼   ► I just want people like, cause I did some Googling today to check that one.

01:16:18 ◼   ► Cause I'd forgotten kind of about this product.

01:16:20 ◼   ► So I was thinking about like, what would, what would you, what would you get?

01:16:23 ◼   ► Like it is running an A10X processor.

01:16:26 ◼   ► That's what we got going on in this stuff.

01:16:28 ◼   ► Right.

01:16:29 ◼   ► You know, you, you got, you, you're using a smart keyboard.

01:16:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:16:33 ◼   ► This is the one that was announced at WBDC with the 10.5 inch.

01:16:43 ◼   ► 10.5.

01:16:44 ◼   ► Which was short lived.

01:16:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:16:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:16:47 ◼   ► Good times.

01:16:48 ◼   ► That was fun.

01:16:49 ◼   ► Cause we were all kind of watching Federico use that.

01:16:51 ◼   ► Uh, that's right.

01:16:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:16:53 ◼   ► Taking pictures of it at coffee shops and stuff.

01:16:55 ◼   ► Cause he got, uh, that was really fun.

01:16:58 ◼   ► Uh, I remember there was a moment when he would just locked himself in another room.

01:17:01 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

01:17:02 ◼   ► Like, you know, cause we had a, a hotel room had like a living area and a sleeping area.

01:17:06 ◼   ► Cause me and Federico were rooming together.

01:17:08 ◼   ► It's the year you stole his heart rate monitor, right?

01:17:10 ◼   ► That's the year that my heart rate monitor got lost.

01:17:13 ◼   ► But Federico lost his heart rate monitor.

01:17:15 ◼   ► That's what happened.

01:17:16 ◼   ► Uh, and it went in somebody's bag.

01:17:18 ◼   ► And, um, uh, he locked himself in a room for a couple of hours to write a review of it.

01:17:24 ◼   ► It was very funny.

01:17:25 ◼   ► Um, so.

01:17:27 ◼   ► Here's what I think you're going to benefit from with this screen quality.

01:17:31 ◼   ► You're going to be going to an OLED display and the OLED displays are so good.

01:17:35 ◼   ► Like this is so good.

01:17:36 ◼   ► And it has promotion, right?

01:17:37 ◼   ► Thinness and lightness.

01:17:40 ◼   ► That's that's going to be massive.

01:17:42 ◼   ► Like massive.

01:17:44 ◼   ► Uh, I didn't actually do any comparisons, but I'll do those in a minute to kind of like

01:17:48 ◼   ► see what the, the weight, uh, differences, especially face ID, right?

01:17:53 ◼   ► You're going to get face ID, which is great on an iPad, uh, and a magic keyboard.

01:17:57 ◼   ► So you'll be able to use the magic keyboard and trackpad.

01:17:59 ◼   ► You, you, I don't know if you're using, maybe you'd be using like an external trackpad, but

01:18:03 ◼   ► you can use a magic keyboard and trackpad, but you're going to have a great time.

01:18:07 ◼   ► I really recommend it.

01:18:08 ◼   ► I think you're going to love it.

01:18:09 ◼   ► Like this is going to be fantastic.

01:18:10 ◼   ► You know what?

01:18:11 ◼   ► You might even want to look at the iPad air.

01:18:12 ◼   ► I was going to say, um, you won't get the OLED and you won't get the super thinness, but

01:18:18 ◼   ► if you look at that, one of the things that's changed is that iPad pros cost way more than

01:18:23 ◼   ► they used to.

01:18:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:24 ◼   ► So the iPad air would be not only a huge upgrade, but would actually still be pretty

01:18:29 ◼   ► much in line with what you got on the iPad pro back in the day.

01:18:32 ◼   ► But what I'll say though, treat yourself if you want to treat yourself, right?

01:18:37 ◼   ► You've been waiting a long time.

01:18:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:39 ◼   ► Oh, for sure.

01:18:40 ◼   ► If you, if you're going to use this for another eight years, I would probably say buy the iPad

01:18:43 ◼   ► pro, like just go that way.

01:18:44 ◼   ► But you should look at the air, um, because you know, it does a lot, it does a lot more

01:18:49 ◼   ► than you are already doing.

01:18:51 ◼   ► It just is cheaper and not quite as far as the, as the pro is.

01:18:56 ◼   ► So it's going from 677 grams to 579 grams is the, uh, that's the weight difference.

01:19:05 ◼   ► And we're going from the thickness of, I was going to say 220 millimeters.

01:19:12 ◼   ► That's the wrong, that's wrong.

01:19:14 ◼   ► Uh, we're going from 6.9 millimeters to 5.1, 5.1.

01:19:20 ◼   ► That's going to feel fantastic.

01:19:22 ◼   ► Oh man, you're going to have a great time.

01:19:23 ◼   ► And these iPads are just so good now, uh, but yeah, take a look at the air, but like if

01:19:28 ◼   ► you want the pro get yourself, we're probably going to have a wonderful time.

01:19:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:30 ◼   ► It's going to be great.

01:19:31 ◼   ► But both are a really nice update.

01:19:33 ◼   ► Uh, I put a, the compare iPad models link in the show notes, second gen.

01:19:39 ◼   ► Oh, I didn't even think about the fact that I could do that.

01:19:41 ◼   ► I was digging through Wikipedia to get the old, to get the old one.

01:19:45 ◼   ► You could compare like the iPad air two to this thing.

01:19:48 ◼   ► I mean, the list goes way back.

01:19:49 ◼   ► Um, yeah, both would be, both would be great.

01:19:52 ◼   ► This is really funny to look at where it's like all the dashes where it's like this feature

01:19:58 ◼   ► just didn't exist.

01:19:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:59 ◼   ► Like, like there's, they don't bother with like how many cores are in the CPUs.

01:20:05 ◼   ► They just didn't bother telling you that information before.

01:20:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:07 ◼   ► Um, just in case you wanted to know the, uh, 12.9 inch second generation iPad pro does not

01:20:12 ◼   ► run Apple intelligence.

01:20:13 ◼   ► Oh no.

01:20:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:15 ◼   ► Lightning connector.

01:20:16 ◼   ► Oh my word.

01:20:17 ◼   ► Lightning connector.

01:20:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:18 ◼   ► Lightning connector.

01:20:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:20 ◼   ► wifi six E Apple pencil pro supports the new pencil, which is the magnetic one, which

01:20:26 ◼   ► is really great.

01:20:27 ◼   ► You have a good time with that.

01:20:28 ◼   ► And the magic keyboard, magic keyboard.

01:20:30 ◼   ► Yep.

01:20:30 ◼   ► With trackpad.

01:20:31 ◼   ► Oh, fantastic.

01:20:32 ◼   ► Good times.

01:20:33 ◼   ► Let us know, Alba.

01:20:36 ◼   ► I want to know if you, if you do upgrade, I want to know what you think about it right

01:20:39 ◼   ► back in.

01:20:39 ◼   ► Let us know.

01:20:39 ◼   ► Yep.

01:20:40 ◼   ► Keep us posted.

01:20:40 ◼   ► And if, if you want to stay posted, keep yourself posted.

01:20:45 ◼   ► You can do that.

01:20:46 ◼   ► Uh, you can find all of us online.

01:20:50 ◼   ► Jason, I got there.

01:20:52 ◼   ► Posted.

01:20:53 ◼   ► I got there.

01:20:54 ◼   ► It's like a trespassing sign.

01:20:55 ◼   ► Posted.

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01:20:57 ◼   ► Trespassing.

01:20:57 ◼   ► If you want to stay posted, you can do that.

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01:21:26 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

01:21:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:29 ◼   ► That's exciting.

01:21:30 ◼   ► Keep yourself posted.

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01:21:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

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01:22:10 ◼   ► Jason, thank you for joining us this week.

01:22:13 ◼   ► I love being on Connected.

01:22:15 ◼   ► Thank you for having me.

01:22:15 ◼   ► And now you get some podcast listening time back this week, which is always weird.

01:22:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:20 ◼   ► It's kind of sad because I had some driving and travel to do.

01:22:24 ◼   ► So I'm kind of at zero of podcasts.

01:22:27 ◼   ► And now I'm not going to get this one.

01:22:28 ◼   ► Sorry.

01:22:30 ◼   ► Next time.

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01:22:36 ◼   ► And until next week, say goodbye.

01:22:39 ◼   ► Arrivederci.

01:22:42 ◼   ► What?

01:22:43 ◼   ► We're all waiting.

01:22:44 ◼   ► Cheerio.

01:22:45 ◼   ► Well, I mean, I did go because I go second, but no one was there to go first.

01:22:49 ◼   ► So thank you.

01:22:50 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:22:51 ◼   ► Jason.

01:22:52 ◼   ► Bye, y'all.