00:00:00 ◼ ► Ever Interpol pictures of the Ferrari for aid for the after show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► We actually are probably going to do an after show neutral because I have. What is it what you say forty eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► If you're just hearing this news now you didn't look at dreams of tweeting about it I was going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/10">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► and forth of the topic. I was watching. I was watching I don't deserve Ferrari's forget it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/14">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► Now for Ivory the one of you that's it did you guys add anything good to the topics list because I don't see anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/20">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► exciting on there. I had one of those give me a boring show everyone I carry a career. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/28">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► I just realize that I haven't added anything other than one little measly item and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/36">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► I guess we have some leftovers from before our yet so here's my crappy story I wanted to tell me it's there yesterday I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/40">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► was fiddling with the C.S.S. For my website and you have to understand. If you think of the person in your life.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/48">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► That claims to be a developer but is the worst. That you can possibly be at C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/55">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► I'm like five times worse than that person. So anyway something with C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/61">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► Trying to do a media query which is pretty much in for for my god awful skill level and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/65">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► I remembered that you can actually have Safari. Reach into whatever the I O. S. Simulator Safari app is to do you. The. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/72">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► The inspector. Thank you. The inspector. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► On what's being shown in the I was simulator which I thought was freaking cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/86">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► And I know this is not new news but that was the first occasion I had to actually use it. My thought was amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/90">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► Read last time I use it was like two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/98">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► but boy was it flaky it works for me I've I've used it a lot in it it's always worked great recently I think you came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/100">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► when I was brand new I was so excited I was able do it like this is going to make everything so much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► but it would like lose its connection to the remote browser things like all the time though now it's now it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/113">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► solid I use it all the time. And it works with any any web you in the app so like if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► You need not just mobile Safari was not right. That's what the gratings about it like. If you have a web you in Iraq. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/124">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► It'll list all the active web use that are currently touch of the window and. And you can dominate spec your web use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/129">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► Which is really handy. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason it's there. And that that's it's so useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/135">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► That's extremely cool. Yes well I know and it's like I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► Kind of silly story but I saw it was neat So go try that if you're a web developer and or terrible to C.S.S. Like I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/144">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► Yeah and. For those of you who don't know where it is. If you launch. If you're running the simulator. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/151">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► Go back to Safari and under the Debug menu at a list. Any web use that are found in the running. Simulator. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/156">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► So in the safari. Developer or debug me whatever whatever it's called that's desktop Safari just to be absolutely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/162">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► Yep it's called Call develop OK Yes So if you go to develop it's listed there. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/168">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► Any other crappy stories before going to follow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► I can tell you about some dreams I've had recently maybe maybe some some travel stories I've heard that Boston's gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/176">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► of a bit of snow. You and your beloved winters. We're not talking about snow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► It sounds like we are THE HELL YOU LOVE win or did anything happen in the industry that we can actually talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/188">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► No not really. It doesn't think it was that big of a Newsweek follow up for us from one of the topics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/193">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Although I didn't I didn't put either one of the fall but it is all you gave the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► Let's do some follow up Daniel sure soon. Has said about handwriting recognition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► Text input is still kind of hacky for languages with more than thirty ish letters and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/206">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► There was a tweet that he had posted will put that Michelle notes I just thought was an interesting point because I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/212">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► imagine a situation where you have eleven does Illian characters that may be kind of difficult. That being said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/217">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► Hot off the presses earlier today. On Wednesday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► My friend will Haynes who I believe I brought up in the last episode or if not an episode or two ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► Put together a about five minute video of how you can enter text in Iowa state in various different languages so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/233">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► will is Australian born but lives in Tokyo and has for a while now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/243">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► and it doesn't require audio which is kind of nice if you want to be listening to like music or something else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► But what he talks about is the various ways that you can type in both Japanese and actually Chinese as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► and that includes the romaji keyboard I'm probably pronouncing it wrong I'm sorry try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/261">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► So do you know the actual pronunciation. Now but I always say we're Monte OK Well there you go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► Like Jumanji Yeah that's exactly what I was kind of I could be wrong too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/272">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► So you said that apparently the way that works is you basically use. What I would call an English keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/277">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► The English language equivalent of Japanese words I'm already probably going to hurt terribly wrong I'm so sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/286">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► And then he also showed a couple of the other keyboards one of which is set up like a numeric keypad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/293">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► And apparently because Japanese specifically only has put so many sounds that kind of works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/302">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► and it's a combination of typing and. I think. Which is what he had actually shown me at the beer bash W.B.C. and Then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/307">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► I had confused my own story and. I had thought he had shown me a handwriting recognition. Keyboard which he didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/312">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► But in this video he does take liberty of showing you how handwriting recognition keyboard would work for Chinese. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/320">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► So you don't have to watch the entire video obviously don't watch any of it but I thought was a fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► and very succinct look at how you can enter these very different languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/331">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► or type in these very different languages in really wild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► and different ways than the traditional keyboard that we're all used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► and I just thought it was really needed either of your eyes watch list I seen that Marco you did not because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► believe in Homer. I'm actually very heavily medicated right now fighting off a horrible cold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/348">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► So I did almost nothing to prepare for the show I literally I printed out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/353">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► My little three pages here of sponsorship read. And we'll talk about your friend out later. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► And that's literally all I did. I just opened up chrome. After I started this call to look at the Excellent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/363">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► John did you often watch a city that's main thing I came away from our feedback about this is that like people all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/370">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► Nobody uses Ham writing recognition never when just used to typing it in or only all people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/379">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► Whatever use handwriting recognition. Other people or like and writing recognition is so much better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/385">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► In fact it's better than it is in western languages because there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► and sort of an order that you're supposed to do the strokes in a direction everything is very regimented and if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/395">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► You know everybody learns the same way on like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/401">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► Letters in English language would that different people draw in all sorts of crazy different ways in different orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/404">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► and everything so I really don't know what to think in fact one of the weird things my guesses and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/409">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► but I think seem like a majority to feedback we got were from people who were not from the region like I really are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/414">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► U.K. Germany and I moved to the Far East and you know I guess they're giving like a Westerner as an impression. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/422">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► And then I would imagine all the people who were born there can understand a word were saying is that you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/428">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► Most and on the language. So I don't know a lot of people were showing us the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/432">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► The the built in hand writing recognition that said I was now under the accessibility things and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/437">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and say all I need your Anything authority already built in there and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► I have I remember back in two thousand and two I think it was when Apple had a hen reading recognition to zero S. Ten D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/447">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► That one of you guys remember that know who and I put it in my review. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/454">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► Because I got that show off my terrible handwriting I tried to write hello world like seven times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/458">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► and I showed what I was ten thought I was writing all the sometimes it guessed correctly hello world of the times that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/462">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► was way off. But all these cases it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► This is sort of an optional extra buried in some you know it's not universal like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/471">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► When Apple had speech recognition pretty much any place you have a text input field. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► If you can bring up the standard keyboard. There's a little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► You know microphone and you can use their hand reckon reckon handwriting recognition has not been raised that level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/484">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► Well that because Apple doesn't ship any devices of a stylus and doesn't really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/489">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► You know have its own styles that it supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► or anything so I think that's what we're all waiting for regarding that the styles now that will Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/494">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► Do for handwriting recognition of what it has already done for text into over the keyboard and for audio input. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/502">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► So is this even still in the West and no I think so I mean I should pop my tablet in connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/514">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► and see if it happens so they call that incurs other you don't see the bank well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/520">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► Yeah you don't see the preference pain unless you actually attach a tablet that you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/524">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► and so you do that it doesn't appear I guess you could just go into the preference panes directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/528">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► and look to see if you see the handwriting recognition or ink. Thing in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/532">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► I have a lack of help in the closet I could probably try with this week and report back next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► Yeah that's what I use for the review I think I borrowed a tablet and just plugged it and little thing appeared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/540">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► I'll find a link for the show it's some point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/546">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► Ask a tall just this in the chat saying to us that it's still there so I'll will assume that that's the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/549">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► Yeah you know I have been looking for ways to slow down my computer input make it less efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► and more annoying to get more done. So I'm looking forward to trying this. I know there are there's a designer at work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/560">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► And she has a whack on Wacko I'm lacking it whatever it's called Tablet a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/567">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► And not only that but he also has a Magic Trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/572">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and I believe he also uses a mouse so he has all three manners of pointing devices on his desk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► At all times which I think is a little bit crazy but you know. Designers are kind of a little bit crazy. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► He currently has the same number of input methods on his desk as I have headphone amps on my desk so I can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/589">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► complain or say anything about that very tough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Alright any other follow up that we have are we going to go on that like we're forgetting something that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/600">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► what. Well yeah. You're free to follow up on my email. People complaining about you having a talk about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/607">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► No no that was a that reference never mind. Anyway every minded me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► Last week when Marco told everybody that he hates them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/617">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► And all the angry email from the people who are whose feelings are hurt by Markos email policy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/620">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► Oh yeah there are a lot of hurt feelings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► Were there because from from with the responses that actually got to me via Twitter and email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/630">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► There were certainly some people who were like yeah that you probably shouldn't doing that or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/638">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► I'm personally offended you should not even be in business. One guy got really bent out of shape but it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/642">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► For the most part. It's not the response was not nearly as bad as I expected it was overall. Mostly in agreement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/649">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► I think that is fair and I think even the people who are angry understood their dislike the people who are angry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/658">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► Didn't like the idea that your policy. Left some people feeling bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/667">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► Like especially if it was them like they would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► I understand the effects of your policy in terms of how you allocate your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/676">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► and return on investment like the business type things but they would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► but I think overall it's not a good strategy because it leaves. Some of your customers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/686">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► Feeling bad and sometimes they would say they were one of the customers who felt bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► and some lives that I don't personally mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► but I can imagine that some customers feel bad so therefore the overall effect of your strategy is negative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/699">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► or could be better if you did suggestions X. Y. and Z. What I thought was interesting is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/706">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► I actually heard from a handful of other like people with some degree of Internet fame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/713">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► or some sizable audience who also have a similar like quick skimming and very little replying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/718">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► Policies or a some of me don't even read the emails anymore. So I heard from a number of people a few people who. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/726">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► Who were in a similar situation. And who did basically the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► But you know it can't really come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► and say that publicly a lot of the time like it's kind of like saying you're an atheist or Howard Stern fan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► Like you'd like. There's a lot of them out there. But no one's talking about it really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/745">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► Because it's it can be politically unwise to say this in public to everybody all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/749">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► But you'd be surprised how many people do the exact same policy or very similar one or even more ruthless one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/754">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► You have to otherwise they said you know. You'll spend very large amount of your time can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/763">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► Conversing with people on a lot of the people who thought it was an overall bad policy. Because like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/767">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► Despite the good parts of it which they would acknowledge in terms of how you manage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/773">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► Giving you more time to develop things they would say here the bad parts and here's why I like it doesn't balance out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/777">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► They would suggest alternatives like it was the same thing you get with feature request. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/782">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► If only you would just have all you would just and then whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/787">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► And all the if only you would just didn't seem like they would solve the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► If only you would just solve that Britain's problem of all you would just tweet about problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/798">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► Which by the way I do I know. Ball you've done more recently than in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► Ever only you would just have a blog about the problem of all So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/808">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► You would just have a mailing list of only you would just have a public bug tracker of only you would just have a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/811">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► right. But each one of those things. This person we like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► Well I don't I don't use Twitter so you tweeting about doesn't help me at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► I don't want any more email some analysts is going to help you I'd never join up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► I don't like to I would never find your blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► or I don't like to read your blog so if you put up that there's not going to you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► That's what it comes down to with all of these sort of centralized places where you can communicate to your users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/831">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► because everybody has something they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► or don't want to do I don't email I don't read Twitter I don't want to read more blogs that I want to do this I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► matter that right. To get them all you would have to have all those things a usenet group a man last set of forums. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/845">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► A Twitter account let's get to the day. A separate blog for I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► And even then some of it like oh I don't use any of the things you have an R.S.S. Feed all I don't reason are like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► You will forever chase the individual people who have like one of their specific needs of how you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► communicate with them and at that point it's like. Well now this is taking more time than just replying to the email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/865">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► It's like the person I want to feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► and a piece of software like I don't need all the features his program you can cut every single piece of these three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/873">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► and have no three thousand acres in it so it's a lot of people were trying to say from your perspective I see how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/879">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► works out but from my perspective an engineer or user it sucks and I can I see that but it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/886">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► If you look at the other side of it. You can't make it not suck for everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/891">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► It's always going to suck for somebody and sometimes that somebody is going to be you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► Or you or you are you know I mean and so it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/900">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► but like people looking for a solution is going to make everybody happy I just don't think it exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/905">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► The alternatives that people suggest. Those all take time. And if it comes to like support tools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/910">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► Thing and if the any kind of like support service where it's source your emails into like threads for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/920">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► and has no clue working on it and stuff like that any kind of like you know email ticketing system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► Those all take work to plow through like you're just moving the work to something else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► Forms bug tracker is public pages of any kind. Somebody recommended get hub. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/935">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► Tracking that's crazy because regular people have no idea how to use get her but I don't blame them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/941">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► I do have a couple group I posted zero times to it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/947">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► and Facebook keeps telling me how people are engaging with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► and that they want me to pay them to let them engage more something I don't know it's it's terrible I don't how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/953">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► Facebook. I even have a Pinterest group I don't know how to use that either. But you know I have these channels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► The only one I really uses Twitter. To communicate with the user that I don't even have an overcast blog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/964">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► And if I had one nobody would read it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► If I have I have a Twitter account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► and I will tweet things in the Twitter account of current that is updates things I'm working on known bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/974">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► And then I'll have people tweet at me. So I know they're using Twitter I don't know but the account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► I'll have them tweeted the account like three hours later. As if they had not seen what I posted three hours ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/986">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► They didn't as they don't read the whole Thailand so could you just could you repeat your tweets on the hour every hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► but not so much that people don't read the timelines are not buying them. Exactly so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/998">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► So Twitter is not a good medium for keeping people updated. But it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► Like everything else that's out there would take more time it would be one more thing to do two more things to do more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► things to update and. You know overall probably more work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► And there would still be hundreds of people who would blow right by that not see it I mean look on the part of the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► where it lets you email me. It is surrounded by reasons why you don't need to email me anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► Here's F.A.Q.'s Here's what's coming up in the next version here's what's in this version here's the bug fixes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► That's all right there on that page no one reads it never has clicked the e-mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► and emails me think they're you know about that is. That's the reality like. No matter what you do you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► No one's going to read everything you can either no one to be aware of everything you put out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► No one is going to is going to be able to look and say like oh well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► I have now checked all the official overcast communication channels read back in the history of by a few weeks to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► everything there is no it's currently going on now I will email them. No that doesn't happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► And I don't expect people to the pets ridiculous. So no matter what you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► You are always going to get supporting them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► And there are things I can do to reduce the amount support email number one thing you can do to reduce the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► support email is to get rid of the bugs are complaining about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► That's what I'm doing by a long shot that is the best you can do to reduce support e-mail is read get rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► problems of talking about and give people ways to help themselves. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► The latter is worth discussing So give people ways to help themselves. Password resets. Like. Make make that easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► And any kind of like basic account management thing that they would have to email you for make that easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► and I'm I still have a little bit of a little bit of ways to go on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► I don't currently have a way to change your password except by resetting it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► I don't currently have a way to change your your regular email address. You haven't built them yet and like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► Hardly anybody ever asked So it's kind of a low priority compared to other stuff I have to fix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► So there's things like that that I get occasional emails about. Then there's the big stuff. Hey there's a sync bug or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► Hey you know you should really give me a delete. Preference. That's the stuff I need to hackle. That's like and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► My time is so much better spent doing that then setting up a support ticketing system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► and our knowledge base on a forum in a public bug tracker at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► and letting people vote on bugs like that's crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► That's just so much more work and overhead a more things to manage and maintain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► That's not really helping like UPS like to like the value of those things. Couple the people who were upset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► Basically said. It takes it takes me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► Time and effort to isolate these bugs to screenshot them to find out how to report them to make a bug report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► and effort doing what is essentially help I'm helping you Marco I'm spending my time to help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► and then you're not even going to send a reply. Makes me think that your time is more valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► You're saying your time is more valuable than mine. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► The fact of life is the amount of effort you put into something does not equate to its value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► You can put a tremendous amount of effort into something and it just and turns up not being valuable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► Like you could try really hard to to make a fancy meal and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► You just burn the whole thing is like but I work so hard like yes but the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► The end result is just a burn thanks of you work really hard to make an awesome bugger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► Part on prompted by the way it's like you're demanding people to new bug reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► but you do this you're really you work really hard to make an awesome bug report. You send it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► If you're the nine hundred person to send that exact bug report the value of your bug report is very small it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► just sort of like a tick up on the counter so marker knows a lot of people are seeing this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► You put a lot of work into it. Maybe if you were the first one there would be value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► But you know when you start multiplying it out it's like if you want. If you want any. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► You're never going to add a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► or reply Marco is never going to spend as much time responding to your as you spent sending it because it's not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► one on one relationship between that you know one person makes all foreign born person uses it it's one person makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► and lots of people use. Right so you can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► Market doesn't get ten thousand days to reply to the email that ten thousand users send in one day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► Right and then your value of your of your email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► It really depends like maybe it is super valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► and I bet if it was super valuably like oh I've never I never could reproduce is bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► and I didn't understand what people are seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► and now you sending me all the stuff the stupid I bet Marco would reply that even though he says he doesn't reply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► email. No I said I don't reply to most email. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► I do reply to things like that and so I've been doing this beta test this past week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► Where I have about eight hundred beta testers. Through Apple's test flight thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► And I'm getting tons of e-mail from those testers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► And I'm answering as many of the possibly can of that group as I know that's like a separate group that's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► I ask people to beta test. They are taking the time to install a and a relatively untested version on their device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► And they are writing up bug reports and send them to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► And I am actually doing a lot of responding on those way above my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► My regular rate of responses on that it's I think probably over fifty percent that I'm responding to on the on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► and I. I honestly feel bad about the not respond to out of the beta group. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► Because that seems like it should have a higher standard but without what that's like eight hundred people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► when you did the beta. On glass board it was like you know I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Twenty people or whatever it was and you're responding to all of them because you kind of could twenty to one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► The value of the first twenty people ever to use the application because Marco their reports are much more valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► then the seven hundred person to send a sync bug right it doesn't mean there's no value to that thing but it's never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► You're never going to get a reply. That makes you. Makes you feel like the effort you spent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► Wasn't in some ways wasted because in some ways it was a waste. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► You don't know whether it's going to be ways that you don't know if you are the very first person to send his bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► report or the nine hundred. You how can you know that you don't know what other people are sending right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► So I don't think you can have expectations about the sort of many to one relationship because you don't know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► going on the other end of it into feels bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► When you send a bug report the work hard on you know get any kind of reply at all which is why Hitler begging for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► just something anything an automated reply just like they're not asking you to spend them out of time they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► but they just want something like they're just desperate for something of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► If you gave them that something they would say. I just need something a little bit more like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► I automate a reply makes me feel like you don't care about my about my email. Maybe just an personal note. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► Because I spent so much time on this and just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► I think that relationship is never going to work out where you want a response that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► That makes you feel good about the effort you spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► and it's like well then find our part bugs like that's a problem Mark about to do with a suddenly no one reports bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► anymore. Or he gets only bad bug reports. Then he will actually have to take time to address it but that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► You don't know what's happening as such you can't say that Marco has to do that it seems like he's getting enough bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► Yeah you know I already lost the exact words you used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► but you said something along the lines of You can't have expectations for what Marco did in the relationship between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► you and Marco is just some random you know bug reporter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► And I think that's absolutely true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► and one of the things that one of the more common themes that was angry that I saw of the feedback that all of us got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► was how could you not respond to this it only takes a moment to fire off an email be an automated or whatever and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► What I don't think people understand and this was the point me bringing up that story about me going to New York. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► And in me not understanding why Marco didn't remember having read that email I sent him. Was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► I didn't understand the sheer volume of e-mail that someone in Marcus position can get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► And it wasn't until I got a lot of e-mail. Through the show that I started to understand it in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► And maybe some of these people that wrote us very angry about this did you understand it but I I suspect that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► Unless you're in a position where you're getting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► Hundreds of unsolicited e-mails a day that are not outright spam their e-mails that you should probably be reading. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► Then it's hard to pass judgment on what any one of us particularly Marco should do because I find it challenging to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► and that's a drop in the in the bucket compared to what Marco's getting from overcast so I think you're absolutely right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► John. In any case we should talk about something that's awesome and. And if I'm the mistaken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► This is a particularly awesome something that's awesome is that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► This episode is sponsored by Cards Against Humanity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► Now they didn't want us to read a typical sponsor ad what they did instead was send John a toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► THIS IS REALLY GET UP believe this is really happening. So John. They all they wanted to do for this ad read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► Was for you to review this toaster. Compared to your. You know the toaster. Although it can we set the stage here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► Since this is the first one. What. What is the toaster and. What is the particular reviewed toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► There's already not enough time for me to review the style is there a typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► and read slot thinking about it so much into context I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► when I say for the after show I will talk more about this toaster but OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► The context is that I did a part of a while ago called how hypercritical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► One episode I talked about my difficulty finding a toaster that I found satisfying. In response to that episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► A bunch of nice people got me as a sort of joke gift. Every D.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► A fancy toaster that I probably would not have bought myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► And that's the one I'm using right now that's the context of that's why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► That's why it's funny to parents sending me toasters to review. So I have received a toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► It is the Black and Decker. T. Capital. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► One zero three S B I just want to know the model number has both catchy little model numbers about the capital Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► This is a or they say for a slice tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► and by the way these are all toaster ovens Please do not send me things about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► I should get a slot toaster I know about slot toasters again I mean I thought yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► I know all about them slot toasters do not double as of and. I'm only interested in toaster oven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► You may be interested in fact toasters that's great get a slot toaster. They're really nice anyway. Toaster oven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► This one that's on the good things first toast bread. Reasonably evenly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► This is a big thing because a lot of them have like hot it is awesome and you get you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► and one sided overtones that it toast them in about the same speed as my fancy Telstar will have the model number my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► fancy toaster and a link to it and it shows as well so. Speed wise. It's good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► Capacity wise it is a smaller toaster but you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► Size like it's not founded a fall for it takes a less room on the countertop It's also small on the inside that's fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► Be surprised at the noises toasters make particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► when you just turn them on them a kind of like a transformer wine kind of like man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► That would that is because they all kind of like have that buzz. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► It's not someone doctoring right isn't helpful or designer maybe it's an inverter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► or something whatever it is the sound the sound gets lower as the thing heats up as only being this one is admirably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► quiet. This one does have a thing that takes a sort of a ticking countdown thing until it gets to the end like a bomb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► You know if you listen to that have occurred to me complaining about that the taking thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► But this is at least as a very quiet. Right. That's. And you know the oven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► and for warming stuff I'm recording things the other part seems to work line overall is pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► but the bad things about her are some of the same bad things about most modern toasters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► The thing has three dials on the front of it and to toast anything. You have to put the top dial. To toast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► You have to build the middle doubt to toast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► and you have to put the bottom dial to the amount that you want to toast it and dials. All these are not good dials. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► Died own styles that are still completely smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► and have like a little you know a thing showing you where it's also be pointing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► On the top of the dial but there raise like an inch off so you can't tell where quite where it's aiming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► and that's important because anything with a dial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► You have to turn it to a degree that you memorize thirty six degrees thirty seven degrees thirty eight whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► the amount that exactly toast the bread to the darkness that you want every time you toast a piece of bread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► You have to turn the dial that exact amount. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► If you're off by a little bit it won't be tell it's enough or will be toasted too much before the thing goes off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► This is a terrible time for toasters. The Remember when they used to be when we were kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► You would have a darkness knob that you could set and then you press a little thing down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► And then it would pop up when it's done right like the little things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► Yes you could you could set the do it the way you light it and be repeatable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► Right and then it's just like one after Down down down down on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► This thing with the knob it's just not going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► and then having to set the other three knobs if you have the top not set to the wrong thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► or the middle knobs up to the wrong thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► You can turn that toasting to the right degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► but it won't do the right thing because all you didn't realize was on Baker something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► and if you want to use the bake thing you've got turn the bottom dial to stay on setting and then to the top to die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► How can you make this. They only have a little bit of an area for you I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► I don't know how you go this far wrong with the toaster interface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► For four months was this toaster gets the job done in fact I was really nicely surprised by how well it did all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► jobs as well as my big fancy Telstar. But user interface was this is not good at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► And it's worth pointing out to you that this is on Amazon currently It's forty three dollars which is very inexpensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► for a toaster oven brand new. You know the fancy ones like like the one you have are about two hundred dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► So for forty three dollars That's a pretty good bye. I don't have to build quality of this fifty dollar toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► Embarrasses my two hundred dollar toaster in some areas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► So Black and Decker does make very soft like even the dials which I don't like because they're smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► and don't have a way for you to tell like where you're pointing. Because the pointing is so far off the surface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► The dial in this one feel better than the dollars in my two hundred dollar toaster which I complained about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► when I talk about that toaster. Right there just dish and because many dilution of this conflict you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► What's your final verdict. He loved it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► I did I mean how many touches of I had my life I'm not the wire cutter here I've had my old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► I have my old toaster that I replace with the fancy toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► I like my fancy toaster better than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► but my family does yours like four times the price so damn well better be better than this my fancy saucers probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► not four times better than this. But you know. Of all the toasters I've used in my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► This is the second best but the interface is still terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► Well thank you very much to cards against this is this is entirely their ideas thank you very much the cards against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► humanity. For sponsoring our show. Got such a funny idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► Well I don't even know where to go from here how we've done is that it should have been a sweet home not the wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► cutters are not going to my brand. Real time follow you know carry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► Now one of the Terran caught it alland someone of the charm did say I don't understand why is not you just want us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► for crying out loud. How much damage I have good for people not. I understand what a slot doctorate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► I know all about it. We're not talking about I just I can't. You can not get the slot poster people are just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► Why would you want a slot so starting but they're fine if you want to slot those as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► when you can know their terror. Their worst everything you are not a no they're better toast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► The better you can kind of. You can tell it's faster and they have a thing that you press down like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► I think flawed toasters a better bet as long as you never want to toast anything that is crumbling or thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► or non-symmetrical on both sides you know yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► You would you would have to have a toaster oven as well but if you have a very large kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► and with a lot of counter space. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► Then you can have a toaster oven a slot toaster convection oven on microwave oven in the Baltic whatever I did not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► that kitchen at seven of and the various shapes and sizes. Many different knob types on the front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► I love that all these people in the chat room are going to Zurich about this law testers Yes they may be plainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► superior for toasting like John said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► but I still get a Bible I will concede that point well I'm not saying that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► but if each let's let's take it is writ that that is true even if that is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► There are so many good zillions of things you can do with a toaster oven that you can't do with a freakin slot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► If I had a big kitchen I would have both. But I do not have big kitchen. So I don't have both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► That's it man it's just a concern that I wasn't expecting to it do we have any actual topics for the WHO JUST ADDED is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► that you said the neutrality thing. Marketed and what do you know something about it. Well I just haven't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► I just have an incredibly under informed opinion like usual. Oh well that nothing changes. So the F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► Released an announcement of some kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► What exactly did they do just an announcement of what they want to do or that's why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► I didn't pay enough attention to it because like I still cynically assume that we're being screwed just now in a more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► I didn't I didn't think this announcement had anything to do with like we would really like this to happen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► political realities will kick in and nothing was actually happening right so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► So basically to give some very under informed background on this topic. The F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► Which is a far as well for regulating US telecom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► and broadband stuff like that they have previously classified broadband as a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► I think the data service and what they rather than a telecom services like that and basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► If it's for telecom services like the phone lines to your house there's much more strict regulations. Over what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► How much control the carriers are allowed to exert over that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► How much they're allowed to basically screw people and put limits and controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► and interfere with what's being telegraphed over the line things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► Internet service by almost any kind of common sense definition. Sounds like that is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► If you ask people like Should Internet service be regulated. Like phone service. In these ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► Most people would say yes that makes sense of course it should be. And it hasn't been yet and the F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► Has tried a couple of little things to kind of like have to send a little bit like to say well we want you to have net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► neutrality most of the time but we're not going to go all the way and classify you as this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► And then they get sued by the I S P's and and they have to roll that back. So generally speaking. The F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► Has been very weak on this. And even like six months ago. Recently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► Like they the Chairman Tom Wheeler basically came out and said he didn't think they need to read That's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► A fire at the way phone lines are a few weeks after that President Obama made some statement about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► and how he was basically opposing the F.C.C. Chairman who. I think a stance of the he appointed. Right now is right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► Obama basically over. Like politically overrode not legally but he'll he'll be politically said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► I think differently on this very publicly and then of course the you know the geek population like us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► Is very strongly against the as he sees previous position like we want to be regulated. The way phone services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► And I don't know all the details of like you know what parts of title to all of it none of it. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► And so so so you had a situation where he actually says F.C.C. Says one thing Obama. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► A few weeks or months later says another thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► And then it came up again in the state of the Union address last month where Obama talked about again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► How he was on the side of net neutrality which was directly contradicting the F.C.C. Use. Most recent statements. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► and says Oh I changed my mind we're going to try to we're going to seek this classification now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► And this guy like you know he has previous ties to the cable industry and it's a pretty great to what degree that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► but he does have some previous ties to the cable industry. Well than him lobbyist for the cable industry. Something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► It was kind of it was a little bit less severe than that in practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► but it's like he there's some kind of connection there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► So you know he comes from the cable industry so having him be the head of the F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► Is kind of suspect OK Well while why wouldn't he just fight for the rights of the people who previously employed him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► and will probably employ him in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► So anyway that you know that's the whole revolving door thing that's big problem anyway. The problem is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► He says one thing. You know last year or whenever. All of a sudden president says I disagree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► A few months later all of the F.C.C. Is now seeking something else. This feels a lot like just posturing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► Because you know Obama said that whether he believes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► or not he said it because it was popular among his base he kind of had to say it. OK. He's now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► He had to probably put pressure on Tom Wheeler to kind of get in line with with him and his party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and everything because like it's kind of weird if your appointed as his he chairman is like directly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► Disagreeing with the president and his policies of. That's kind of weak so it feels like posturing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► It feels like putting on a good show for the voters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► But what's going to happen like nothing's going to change tomorrow. You know what's going to happen is the F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► Might pursue this in some way. It's going to be going back and forth for months if not years of like drafting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► What the rules will even be. And then try to put them in place and then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► Vera's uncommon cast all the big guys P's are probably going to sue the F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► or Sue the government to try to get these rules overturned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► And that's going to go through courts for months or for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► and possibly go to the Supreme Court eventually like it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► This is this is going to be a long process this is how the legal system works with this kind of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► It's going to be a very long process. And he can say whatever. Tom Wheeler can say whatever he wants today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► He can say oh we're going to seek this receipt these rules but over time those are going to be negotiated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► and weekend and possibly overturned by court decision. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► So it's hard to say this really means a lot right now like this might turn into something good down the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► But it's going to be a very long time before. In all likelihood before anything really can come of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► If anything comes it comes of it at all and will probably happen. Which is what happens most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► These kind of moves. Is it will probably be watered down or completely thrown out before. Before it ever takes effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► And the public will notice we would have moved on to some other stupid P.R. Thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► So you're looking forward to it and you're sure it's going to work. That's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► I'm so Senekal about these things because like just even if you don't know any of the details. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► The broad strokes are in your thing or roughly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► You know roughly correct like that the person Obama appointed to the F.C.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► Jabbers and did not like a campaign on the idea of like. Don't you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► It was against the revolving door don't take people from the industries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► and then appoint them to regulate the industries that they came from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► and are going back to that's a bad thing if the anti-pattern to use our lingo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► We shouldn't do that and I did that offensively did that same thing with the F.C.C. Chairman although and T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► Says that this is not the case at all and I don't know what we're getting wrong about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► but like it was interesting person I doesn't mean all people who are in the industry are bad or evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► or whatever it just means like. It's kind of all things like if there's an appearance of impropriety. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► It's like trying to avoid even the appearance. Rather than. You know going on an individual basis like just you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► You know I mean like. So you know that you're He's the optics of the sorbet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► You took someone from the industry and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► and you put them in charge of something that has a big influence on the industry say well this president upstanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► they're not going to be influenced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► and even if they do go back to work an issue doesn't negative it's like just the appearance of it is not good right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► So that starts off on the wrong foot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► And then to see that person say things in that position that make the telecom and you know cable industries happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► Like if you are regulating it astri. If you're doing things that make the industry or regulating happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► You're probably doing your job wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► No matter what it is like if you are in charge of regulating the food safety industry if you're in charge of regulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► trucking if you're anything like no matter what you are in charge of regulating. If the things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► or the industries your regulating are happy about what you're doing it is almost certainly the wrong thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► Unless maybe you're rolling back another regulation that was like went too far or whatever but like. If they're happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► You know especially with these giant industries that have near monopolies like telecom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► If they are happy something is wrong because they are never happy about things that help consumers their own ways happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► about things that make them more powerful and that screw consumers. So that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► You don't even need to get in it he details unlike theories about the free market over all you have to do is say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► Verizon happy is a theme to happy. Do they love this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► Then it's almost certainly the wrong thing to do now you have to balance it was a like well you're not going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► the miserable but like you know you can't just regulate them to death and strangled industries believe me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► Like I could now we can't have any telecom companies all telecom companies have closed up shop that is leaving their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► wires hanging in the trees and just no one's going to use them anymore because it's overregulated know the direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► Everything has been going to town tree has been decreasing regulation which has good sides and bad sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► and again you can even talk about the details but just as a general rule of thumb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► If you don't need to look at consumers don't their consumers happy consumers don't know what's going on these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► all happen behind closed doors consumers have no idea that happened since I've no idea what the effects are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► but the industry loves it. Stop stop and look and say wait a second. They loved this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► What the hell are we doing our job is what they should hate us our job it's like being the principal at a school like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► our the assistant principal like. If everybody loves you you're not in posing enough discipline. Right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► Everybody doesn't have to hate you but if everyone's like yeah everything you do is awesome. Whew like you know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► That's that's not a right to say you know our parenting like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► If your kids love every decision you make your probably failing them and or you have a perfect child. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► That's what I feel about the things that's why I don't get too caught up in the details maybe I'm too cynical about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► I think I did you know every time this comes up I do do whatever things I have online to like I was send a letter to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► your congressperson send put a comment on the you know requests for commas I do all that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► So I'm not so cynical that think I can't participate in the process and everything and of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► and the people I vote for are as close as possible to being in agreement with me on to the sions like this. But it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► And many cases this is simply impossible because they receive a two party system to find any candidate who agrees with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► you even remotely anthem. Someone answers like this but you do what you can but anyway. I guess what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► All right so let's move on real quick. We hear that Apple may or may not be involved in a mapping service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► Do you want to talk about this John. I put it in there. Because it was on the BEEN side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► And wasn't Dalrymple that said it but like when I saw the stories it's like oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Someone has some random spot shot of a van with crap on top of it. And they say it's from Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► And then I and you know I saw that story like yeah whatever. And I don't you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► Don't really pay attention and then I saw that the loop had it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► And I went to it hoping it would be down ripple giving one of his Yep or Nope. An hour is expecting it to be a nope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► Because I don't think Apple's market itself driving cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► But he didn't even write it so this in as no thing one way that I feel like he would want to write there was that Shaun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► I feel like if you knew he would have grabbed that one and thrown a note but he didn't and but the story did point out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► And I think it is a much more plausible theory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► This is not Apple self driving cars this is just apples answer to Street View which we've talked about in many past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► those the episode numbers of which I absolutely cannot remember about things that Apple's bad at more of them is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► audacity to do something I Google Street View where it's like you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► We have overhead maps and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► but wouldn't every great if we could have street level views of stuff like well how are you going to get street level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► views are I think what if we just put cameras on top of cars and drive them in every road in the entire United States. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► And that's something that would come up in a Google meeting there was a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► All right let's do that and by the scan every book in existence but you might get those cars on the road and drive and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► You know where that Apple Apple is not an organization that does things like that to conceive things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► and that executes them. But when they took up on the job of doing maps like well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► It's going to take you a long time to catch up to Google maps if you ever do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► And you don't have anything like street view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► and if you want something a street view Google's not going to give it to you you're going to have to do what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► which is really hard. I desperately hope that that is an apple. Equivalent of Street View car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► Piloting a program that's going to use some of that seventy eight hundred seventy billion dollars to drive on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► road to the United States are actually everywhere in the world taking pictures or everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► And that their pictures will be higher resolution than it was because they do it later with better technology know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► stuff. I desperately hope that's what it is and not just some cleaning van with weird stuff on the roof. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► It's unfortunate that there are these like handful of major areas where Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► and Apple's customers are still really depended on Google for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► and it obviously Apple does not really want to be that way if they can help it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► And some of these like web search with general purpose web search of find this phrase on the entire Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► I don't think Apple can tackle that if it's somebody post there is a job posting for Apple search on some some Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► and Apple jobsite and just want to be able to find a game on the App Store and. Yeah yeah I mean like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► You know I I don't think the apple search thing was about web search I think it's just like searching other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► Apple needs to meet needs to be searchable. But. You know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► and street view is probably the biggest one that you know the mapping data is pretty close now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► You know to obviously this is this will vary depending on where you live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► But I have found Apple's mapping data to be pretty good. The biggest problems I have with Apple Maps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► That still exist today are lack of Street View. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► And that the business listings are pretty weak compared to Google's of the Googles are not perfect you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► it's a lot of people say like oh well Apple's business. Business listings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► Once brought me to some terrible out of date. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► Listing of the thing didn't exist anymore wasn't that wasn't their movie whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► Google's business data is not perfect either this is kind of like when people try a different cellular carrier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► And they forget how bad their other one was or how spotty ringgit system it wasn't certain areas. And they run back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► And then forget about how bad you know it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► It's kind of grass is always greener but like with a little bit longer term memory involved. So like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► Like you know just like no subtler carrier including your beloved horizon everybody is actually consistently great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► everywhere. Similar to that no mapping data from any of the services. Is consistently perfect. And no business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► Place name data is consistently perfect in the from these places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► You know certainly I think I think Google is a still better. You know I guess. Neither. These A Perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► Google's a still better. And anything Apple can do to close that gap in the business data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► And to provide the missing features like street view. That is very beneficial to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► Strategically long term I think they need to do things like that they need to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► They need to get total independence from the need for Google services on their devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► and they've come very far they're like they're almost there. In many areas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► But they're still a few things that they're that they're really kind of stuck with and I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► Street View and good met business place data is probably up there. Do you think that the people who are zealots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► About slot loaded toasters. Are the same Verizon people that won't shut up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► You know people with so I saw the toasters are so bad they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► You can't really discuss a pizza with anything in there you know that's not true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2896">TS</a>]
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00:48:52 ◼ ► or whatever they include even the wall the wall anchor for your little desk down every ordered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2932">TS</a>]
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00:49:02 ◼ ► It looks fantastic and my favorite part is that it doesn't need a frame or anything like. If you're OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► If you're an adult and you're decorating like a room as an adult. You don't want to just like pin a poster on the wall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► You want to look nice. So you know generally the way you do those are putting in a frame. You can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► You can do custom frame that's very expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► And with fracture this is great fracture Prince like there borderless kisses edge to edge with the picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► Printed on the back on the backside of this like then piece of glass an amount on carb or anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► So it looks like the picture is just right there on the glass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► Because it is literally printed on the back side of the glass so. Fracture prints look so good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► You don't need to have them framed in fact I don't even know if you could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► And for the price of the print for what you're getting for that. It's an incredibly good deal compared to a nice frame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/2985">TS</a>]
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00:50:51 ◼ ► You know I just want to pipe in real quickly that we talk so often about the five by five sized ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► but we've gotten a couple of the. I think they call them regular size. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► It's pretty wide I feel like a foot foot half widen. Maybe a foot tall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► And those look beautiful as well it's not just the tiny ones. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► Don't don't feel like you who have been a you should limit yourself just to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► but they they really do look amazing like Marco said yeah that the big ones I have to the big ones above my monitor of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► That's love him and well that's true I forgot those fractures. You know that's a good call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► Arts we had a question from listener Ben which I thought was kind of interesting. And he said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► Would really like to hear more about the overcast back and some day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► As an example of what it takes to run a modern app beyond what you upload to the OP store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► There's a lot of places to learn about how to design and code a nap but most examples are standalone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► and overcast has some really interesting infrastructure behind it and it seems like it could be a good example for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► For example where the host of V P S S N Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► How much will the go switch end up saving although I think you've talked about that a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► and wondered what other tools are in use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I don't want to go too far to the purpose for going to be boring but. I host at line owed and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► I have used a lot of web hosts over the years. A lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► I mean I've been hosting stuff on on web hosts since two thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► So it's over the years you know when when posting business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► As a lot lot of companies come and go technology changes over time you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► So I've probably been at ten fifteen hosts over that over that time and through Big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► and Small through my own personal site although it's a tumbler scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► and lot of things in between line node is overall the best host I've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► and there are certain areas in which other hosts are better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► But line owed like before this past fall they did a major if they meet did a major hardware upgrade where they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► created the speeds of all of their all their base systems and their networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► and they change their plans little bit and and. It is now an incredibly good deal for what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► For the for the power that you get before that it was a decent deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► but it was an amazing now it's really a very strong value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► So why note compared to other kinds of hostings aligner does V P S's only and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► and I think they're all on managed I don't know if they offer a manic service at Eve doesn't matter I use I use a mag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► so it doesn't matter to me but. Unmanaged meaning that it's all on you would take care of everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► Where is managed means there's people monitoring it and trying to do a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► You know kind of first level troubleshooting is that all correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► Yeah and so for a while in the early days of David villain tumbler. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► We had manic servers at Rackspace and Rackspace at the time and I don't I mean this was two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► and six two thousand and seven so I don't know how it is now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► At the time they were really considered like the best of the business for managed servers and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► I think they only sold miniatures times they were very expensive it was like a hundred bucks a month for a server for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► like a mid-range server which is very expensive. Even back then it was very expensive. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► We had managed that and what I found overall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► What it promises is things like well you know if your disk fill up will go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► You know Will will notice that I will go in there and clean it up or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► If your database of being hammered by some runaway process or some terrible query on something we can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► and not the might for you and fix it and. In practice. That was spotty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► It that was very inconsistent the quality of service we got from that was inconsistent. Most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► It was ultimately on us to fix the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► You know it was like well they could tell us oh well your problem is you have a lot of requests coming in well yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► Thanks. Most of the time. It wasn't particularly useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► And maybe that's just because we're a programmer so like we knew we knew had the basics of system a mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► and we didn't need them to install Apache for us you know stuff like that like we could figure that out on our own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► You know so it depends on like on what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► What kind of skill level you need these days if you need more hand-holding from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► and you need them to do more things for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► These days you're probably not looking at servers at all you're probably looking at managed cloud services which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and everything else that's kind of a story of the industry's very different these days as it was in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► and six but there's a CLI I use why node because it has a very very good value. And a surprisingly good control panel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► Like web. Men web hosting control panels are kind of like non a glue internets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► I'll my God web hosting programs are usually so awful and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► It seems like every web host in the world is just totally incapable of making one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► and even has ever been slightly thought out of how people actually use it with a very small number of exceptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► and why note is one of them figure lotions a decent but why nose is still by far more fully functional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► I've tried of the things I've tried to get a lower than a credit couple of other ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► I keep going back to I know it because it is just a really fantastic value for what it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3352">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► So if you need some other kind of serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► or some other kind of service some other kind of hosting that's not our manager B.P.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► I can really help you that's I haven't bought those I don't really know what the market is like for those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► The reason I do what I do is because I know enough about system ministration that I can remain on servers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► I know how to do it in a way that. That does not put a lot of burden on me is very low maintenance like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► I'm not being welcomed in the middle of night to deal with a server problem like that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► I know how to do it now so that doesn't happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► And it honestly was not hard these days because service so frickin fast these days. And I use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► Old boring tools like my school. So it's my S.Q.L. For all the crap it gets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► I have never had a problem it was my fuels fault. Ever. It all of tumbler. All of Instapaper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► Everything I've done on the side. Between then since then the now. And now all of overcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► I have used my askew also and if it was before the show. I've used my S.Q.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► So heavily in so many different figuration. I've never had a problem that was my skew off fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3413">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► I've never had my eyes filled with in the middle of night. I've never even had a crash in use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► I've never seen them I feel a process crash. Like that's it's incredible it's so if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► If you are fairly conservative with your tools if you use boring stuff like sent O.-S. Linux and my S.Q.L. and. P.H.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► or Python like you know some kind of like boring language it's been around for a while you can be pretty good you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► be pretty safe and it can be pretty pretty low low involvement over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► You know you have some time to set it up and then you're done. And modern P.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► Have these great tools for like making custom set up images cloning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► Point in time backups and branching recovery all discrete objects can do now is with all these cool virtual i services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► It's really better than it used to be it's way easier than it used to be and to way way. Cheaper than it used to be so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► The reason I do it even though there are always these cloud services that are also available. Now is for that cost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► Is that like. You know I set my own push out of. Shows. If I have a. If I had a service that sent push notifications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► It would cost thousands of dollars a month for the volume I sent thousands like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► So much for me to do it on line i would cost like forty bucks a month worth server time maybe at most probably less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► than that. I mean it's a massive to end its weekly you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► A day to figure out how to how to send them in code myself like it wasn't that big of a deal like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► I feel like people shy away from because and these are developers like you're able to make an app which is not easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► Like you know it's easy in the in the grand scheme of things that the easier than doing manual labor all day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► And you know it's easier than solving Kryptos or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► but you know it's in the grand scheme of things if you can figure out how to how to make software of any kind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► You can administer basic stuff on a server. It Like It's really not that hard it might just be unfamiliar to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► But just like any language or platform or new A.P.I. You can learn it. It's not that big of a deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► You can save so much money and you can do so many powerful things. Once you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► Once you are open to the idea of you know what. Maybe I will let myself. Run a web service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► The doors it opens for you to me are are usually the vast majority of the time usually worth it for the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► The time and stress and expense of running your own servers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► I have nothing to add to that so that's pretty straightforward now. You would you mind recapping. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► What the GO SEE things were the. When you change the feed crawler to go. Yeah it was like couple hundred bucks a month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► That's significant for sure the I my my total lie node bill is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3577">TS</a>]
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01:06:11 ◼ ► Thanks a lot. You want talk about family sharing John. There was a David Sparks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► Things that we've had no notes in forever. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► You know a lot of complaints about family sharing my expectations I guess where does away the lower what I was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► for for family sharing is an officially sanctioned acknowledgement from apple of the structure of a family unit which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► I talked about the cabinets and my Yes Emma the article where it's like well what if you had already sort of kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► Given your kids Apple id's even though they weren't supposed to have them because they're too young I wish I did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► introduce this way for you to add like child. Apple ideas and it's well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► Like a dirty have obligates cannot convert the child that blood is an apple said all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► So you can actually convert an apple you can merge Apple ID you can convert them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4020">TS</a>]
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01:08:32 ◼ ► The the annoyance of the family sharing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4112">TS</a>]
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01:11:31 ◼ ► Then it works very well then you have separate polls of photos that strew yet the photos are not really a solved thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4291">TS</a>]
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01:11:46 ◼ ► but that actually works so we have a set up you know he has a little i Phone It's an old i Phone of mine and and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► and we set him up his own a kid's own child account for the through the new child accounts of some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► And so has Israel agent like it or you don't have to like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► Percentage thirteen or whatever has an actual real age in it and his purchases are charged to my account. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► And then me or to have to authorize those purchases before they are made and it. It pops up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► It works great and on tips mom. We had hers doing what you were saying with the with the cards where as where like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► We gave her the i Pad and we gave her and i Tunes card to start up with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► And her and to status have been for years where he had all this existing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► and his payment of reasons already his account. And we made them a family account and we added the prepaid card. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► Only to hers. And it separates it out. So whichever member of the family as a prepaid card. It gives them that credit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► Not like the not the like the first person of the owner whatever the fate of the family. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► And so everyone else will purchase a don't draw from like one person in the family's credit account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► So it actually does the right thing there it works very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► Now that I read it I said I work spottily is because I've had other people my family set up their family things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► and then just never be able to get the notification you know the thing that has the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► Do you want to prove this thing and. As with so many other icloud problems once you confirm the set up as correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► Yep you've got a family yep it's structured correctly Yep people are signing with their Apple ideas for all the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► things. All right I make a purchase or try to make a purchase. And now you can say no if occasion on your thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► Nope don't see it. Yet into nothing you can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► And then you had to then say OK well I guess we all signed out of our bodies will wipe our devices we do this we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► do the silly dance and just if it doesn't work you're like Wow And so that still happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► And it's it annoys me that that happens every time it does happen you just feel like powerless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► and it's like well see they don't work or there's got to be a way for me to debug it and debunking it doesn't mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► Doing the only things that have buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► Sign out sound I can delete all data restarted and just as very frustrating you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► I've had good luck with that here but I've seen it not work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► I think the first time I tried to do work for me either but then I did start work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► and what change were going to time it didn't work and it didn't. I don't know. It's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► I still find it fresher but I like really the thing I'm most excited about is the fact they have them at a date. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► Because I hope that once they have the metadata. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► That it can be useful for something that it will encourage them to because if you think about it like anyone designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► some kind of application or service inside Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► If it's like you know we can do the think of families like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► but I don't want to set up a thing where people have to sign up their family I just want to make him out no one wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► But someone eventually are falling to get done as a separate thing family sharing a separate thing so now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► infrastructure is there anybody making an application at least with an apple for now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► Doesn't have to be like oh we can do this cool thing with to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► but I don't want to have a thing where he will have to enter their families [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► and that's not part of my application really what I was like No way. We've already got that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► It's already you know that information is there and presumably there's some way for us to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► In kind of the same way like I hope and leverage it more like you know a little of the IP things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► when you're on phone and under not just our block calls from the ips and Mail has be appeasing stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► Now that it knows who it was family members are. You can say things like allow calls from my family. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► Or automatically put things for my family in a separate been an apple now instead of just the V.I.P. Thing like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► You know and this is just immediate family they can go to extended family and you can like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► They can slowly start to model the real world so we can do things within the same way that Syrians that you know call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► Trying to map the relationship between you and other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► and having sort of these smart assistants in there that are that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► or are aware of these relationships in more than just like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► I don't know how do you do the spouse arrangements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► and in think is there a field in contacts where you say with their relation is or is just the note field or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► There's a field in context relationship I believe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► But is it like free form like you can read any text there you want or is there some like is it's complicated an option. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► To give some kind of method A to that is not just arbitrary the key value pairs but that has meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► and it is the meaning is understood by the program so they can. So that you know. Even just even if just like quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► Doing something like pulling up a pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► or where everything is like your most recent contact your most recent whatever Is this some kind of picture where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► makes sense for you to have the spouses being the default. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► Thing or have immediate family as being the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► or trying to make reservations that I guess is that you want your whole family I don't know that there's lots of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► that you can do and I don't get into sort of a creepy like Oh Google they know too much about me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► or whatever it is like this is information that I enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► and I want like my photo management application to know about my family who the members are how I want think shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and stuff like that so this is just the very first step to the possibility of doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► Real time follow up I am not seeing a relationship field after all I could swear it was there but I'm not seeing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► You know like the information's got to be in a bit like in the family sharing you don't set relationships like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► just say like this is a family there's an organizer and as adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► and as children which is fine like I don't you don't need to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► Prescriptive about like the structure of family or whatever it is like I just want to connect the lines and say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► Here it here is the structure and here is the hierarchy. Adults children. You know whatever. Just that information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► but nobody who would want to write an application to take advantage of information also want to sign up for gathering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► storing and management information so it's an infrastructure thing that Apple needs to be doing now is finally doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► But apparently not particularly well. Thanks a lot for three sponsors this week. Cards Against Humanity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► Fracture and Harry's. And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. It was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► John Casey was killed because it was that the death toll was accidental. And you today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4669">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► And if he was no says that that's key lists and a C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► and and Team article study says they're risky is if we have a lot of important stuff to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► and it looks like we need to get through some B.S. First. The usual if we're look for a very very good point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► So look to you to weed through this B.S. As quickly as possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► Can we talk about your P S four set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► and destiny you I was not hit by order to that monitor it's like a play Destiny on it instead of on my television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and I got delayed by two snowstorms I was kind of frustrating for all involved then Giulia derives I set it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► I've been playing it now. I had to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► My son hadn't learned during an amateur yet so I tried to give him sort of the approximated version of trigonometry can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► To convince him that a twenty three inch monitor the distance he setting from it is actually twice as big in his field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► of vision as the fifty five inch television of the distance even promise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► I was just doing that as a ratio of distance to with of the screen rather than going through like the angles in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► field of your whatever I think you mostly bought it. And you know how old a see how busy. Ten. I mean if you don't eat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► I try to gloss over and tell you all you need to know is the ratio like how far you know anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► He found a fairly convincing hooking it up and play it like that. It's nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► The one thing I realize which kind of makes me sad is that the block level player nowhere near as good as they are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► T.V. A man knew this like I know I'm getting a super cheap L.C.D. Screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► But it's just it's shocking to me how nonblack everything you have on the screen. Coming off of my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► I have you know it does does fill more of my field of vision makes it easier to get head shots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► Been trying out a little bit of hand Canon stuff because everyone tells me it's good. Not a total convert. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► I've been using a lot of it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► The other thing on talk about with destiny is that you I like the toaster there are some you I have problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► and most of you wind up things actually you can tell they play tested a lot because the things that people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► Usually have nice ways to do them so it shows that musta been a real long play testing period where they make you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► and if you ever played a game that makes a management difficulty just going through screens and menus and back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► This system seems weird at first when you use it for a while you realize it's very efficient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► Lots of things are done on mouse over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► Lots of things he did frequently I comparing the Equip to a weapon to another one can be done easily with a knife. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► You know you eyes actually a great lesson in how to make a game you why the deficient the things that people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► when they're playing the game. But there's one area where I think they fell down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► And that led me to my other said destiny thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► I was in this animal vendor trying to look at different things that I was thinking of buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► and I had pretty much decided which thing I was going to buy a particular helmet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► but just want to check one more time back at the other one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► And I went over to the other one did to what I thought was the button for details which is trying though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► This I let me just like it was one more time to be sure that I'm buying the right ones that with the right parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► or whatever and X. and I had X. Instead of triangle. And that immediately purchase the item spending. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► Things in game which I don't want to get into to take a really long time to get I spent a long time building up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► And there is no one do like I'm still on as far as I know no one to call tweeted me to correct me there is no one dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► there is no going back to like. But. But I'm you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► I haven't used it I haven't equipped I just bought it to me that I just want to meet the say under an purchase. Refund. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► Go back it's like the App Store Ikes are also held their final. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► And I was so disappointed I bought the wrong helmet and so some purchases make you hold down the button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► As does this mantling in fact the. If you dismantle something super valuable like an exotic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► It will make you hold down even longer. That that's good you oughta make it so you don't accidently do something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► One little top of the exploit and boom. Like three weeks of work to build up what it took to buy this thing. Gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► I found it very sad. And I have an ugly how with the wrong perks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► I have no idea what any of that means but I am sorry for your loss. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► Well you know just general general design things like if a an action has large consequences. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► Make some kind of an do for it or even just like sell backer I understand those like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► I actually I understand that it's really hard to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► I don't think this is trivia trail changes is a massively multiplayer game where there actually are stocks for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► vendors and other people buy things like It's not as simple as like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► It is really complicated under they have to kind of build it in from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► but you can use it for exploits you know you can imagine all sorts of ways that being able to buy something I merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► refund it can be used to break the game. And can screw with like keeping track of what inventory is there and just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► It's super hard to do because the almost no hope that it will ever be done I guess the best thing we can do is THAT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► HAVE BEEN do is just make it along press the buy things with them people are annoyed just like every time I buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► something to hold on the button. So I don't know I think they just need to do something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► And that's the extent of your destiny was for this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► Yeah about the fact that I never get any time to plan my son is way ahead of me has as more time to play. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► So I wanted to raids. I need to send in shards please understand in shards. And I like twenty of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► I mean you only like rescue a conversation with talking with headphone amps the more I mean we've got it we gotta move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► on to printouts now. What's wrong with print outs. Why you printing things on paper to reinforce plus to read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► Years sitting in front of a computer with disagreeing a few reasons. A. I have a printer. And a lot of paper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► What else most most to do with it. You've got paper burning a hole in your virtual pocket. Shutdown need to spend it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► Yeah that's true I mean I have this laser printer that I bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► when paper still mattered slightly more than the other now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► And it can print like thousands of pages before running out toner. And so what I'm going to do with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► That's part of it. Also that. My microphone is angled I can't actually talk. Ideally optimally directly into the mike. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► While looking at my computer screen. Without having it. Not be perfectly. You know may not be as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► Isolated against echoes in some way that in my set up there I have I have here one should move your mike. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► I mean I could do that but I just like it works better this way for me right now and then. Mostly it's just because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► My computer screen is full of windows. Despite what you had to what you think I work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► I know you think I have one window and then I close and then open up another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► when I close up ever I reach redid the guy who was like all markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► and have it on a screen because every too many windows seem to feel overwhelmed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► So I'm going to move on from that I didn't read someone else that I just read to it it's just it's easier for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► manage it for me to see it for me to read from it. Every keep track of which. Which ones I have to do and which ones I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► Which ones have been done. And then at the end. To be to glance at all three and be able to read them back as the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► Thanks to the sponsors will see next week like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► It's just easier for me to do that on paper right now I thought about maybe maybe doing it on an i Pad does that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► lot of the same benefits or I could hold it right in front of my face behind the mike here and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► but just haven't gotten around to trying to I mean it's just it's no big deal do it on paper it's really it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► not a big deal. And the main reason I actually want to talk about this is because this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► Now because I you know I think it's kind of silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► but on the other hand it reveals something that I'm constantly complaining about which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► People are you know are have the ability to deal with things to deal with real things in their hands in ways that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► can't do on a computer screen and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► If you want to take advantage of those skills like the fact that you can manage three pieces of paper you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► them you know where they are and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► Now that you have to approximate the real world but you have to leverage those same abilities to get shouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► It shouldn't feel so much more comfortable for us not to do tons of people have this shouldn't feel so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► comfortable to deal with a physical thing than Doesn't a computer tell is going to be a little bit more comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► and on the other hand is always going to things you can do on a computer screen that you can't do in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► but anytime I see some. Saying well I could do that on the computer screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► But if you better to do in real life at something that like is he does not seem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► You know that seems like a reasonable thing for a computer to do like say show a screenful attacks like it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► know obviously like needing door something obvious and easy and the physical world harder to do on a computer right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► That's like there's like a failure of the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► and whatever it is it's a failure of like is the interface too complicated is the is the the mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► Not as good as grabbing a piece of paper for you is to keep track of things you like ever see people who take notes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► meetings with a notebook even the like an actual paper and pen even though they have a laptop and an i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► and everything like that is that just old habits because people are you know. Grew up doing a certain way like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► It's difficult to suss out what exactly what the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► but I think there is still an element of computers feeling sort of less tangible chance to because everything is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► eventual lights on a screen but like less tangible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► In the figurative sense instead of the literal sense that they can't get a handle on something unless they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► literally in their hand and it feels better. So anyway. That's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► I think no one is immune to that even people who use computers all day to do complicated things that occasionally is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► just more convenient even if it's a simple like out of band like I know these are separate like there is the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► and that is sponsoring the sponsors are separate normal done the right thing to get mixed in with my other windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► and on never lose them and always have them available where and I can always tell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► In the quarter my I like how many more sponsor do I have for the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► Like how many do I have to do whereas if they were windows I think I think I make it last little more easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► If you have blue index cards you could throw them behind you through a window that doesn't have any glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► and in a comic a glass crashing sound. Nobody. You guys are too young to stay up that late aren't sign. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► To go through although I have a feeling this might be worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► and then I'd really like to talk about cars for a few minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► So tell us John a little more about this toaster that you were that you were given. So things to know about toasters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► Like you know how how I'm sort of raising them because again I haven't had a million toasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► but I sort of know the rough outlines of the features that they may or may not have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► And the way I like I would look at toasters in the stores and buy them but I look at them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► A few things that I think most posters. Get wrong especially the cheap ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► The things that make the toaster hot the heating elements. If they don't have anything covering them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► Because no matter how careful you are with your toaster you always end up getting something in there like drips a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► little piece of melted cheese or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► You know you're not really supposed to put things in there that are drippy but everybody always does eventually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► You do not want that dripping directly on the element because it burns and. It's just awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► There should be some kind of other guard above the element. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► Sometimes the guard gets almost as hot as the element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► and sometimes the guard is openings in it to let stuff get down to the element anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► And sometimes those guards can block the heat from the element if it doesn't have a reflective thing above like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► it's difficult to get the balance right between the elements in the guard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► but I know Alex that I see Bear elements on the bottom. I think it's not great line has that. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► Well if I see only one little skinny element in a gigantic Telstar I'm thinking that one elements not going to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► or it's not going to have even heating so it's a really big toaster I want it to elements top and bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► The plugs nobody seems to care about this and maybe just my old ancient crappy kitchen but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► They give you these plugs that are like three prong plugs heavy duty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► And they stick out like an inch they're just huge plugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► and if you have the type of kitchen where the plugs are down the same level as the toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► and you only have a little tiny spot where you can put a toaster in the plug is right behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► and the toaster has tremendous depth because they're all made to put giant deep dish pieces inside them of the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► they're made for these days. You if you plug in the toaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► You can't push it up against the wall because the plug sticks out from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► and if you jam read against the plug A You're kicking the court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► and be the hot back of the toaster is pressing against the you gonna melt the little rubber coating on the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► thing. I think every Tell should come with a low profile plug is fit flush against the wall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► So that you can shove the toaster right back up against an edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► and have a little stops in the back of the keep you from pressing the hot back of the toaster against the cord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► and melting through an electric utility or in your whole family. So that's an area I think all toasters can get better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► Even my toaster doesn't have that the fancy one I had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► I bought a low profile plugged engine cord and that it's little thing to make it all work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► Otherwise I can even have a toaster there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► Mine does have the standoff that prevent you from putting it right against the wall. And it only has a two prong plug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► But it is a rail a straight plug not a corner plug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► Yeah they usually have some kind of stand out for safety reasons but like when the plug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► Sticks out it's like it fans don't hit the plug it's first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► And I guess maybe people have the plugs there either higher up I don't know what code dictates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► or all I know that my plugs are way down low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► and I have very little space in the plugs are right behind where I need to put both of these does act. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► How hot does a toaster get on the outside some touches get absurdly Holly outside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► And people stack all sorts of crap on top of the testers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► Like I wouldn't put anything out of a toaster because I know it gets hot up there but people do put things up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► but someone gets so hot like you're basically cooking stuff on the outside toaster here even if you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► Like something next to it like within an inch of it and that slowly like bake that over time that's not great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► This used to be a standard feature that seems to be only on the super high end ones now and I don't understand why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► So he does forgive metal hook but when you open the door. Little thing that pulls the try out a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► Everyone should do that why do they not do it is to little metal hooks just do it you know some of them use magnets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► And the final element is that I see all the time is how robust are the things inside it like the little that the wire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► Thing that you put toast on. Sometimes that wire is like a thin of a hair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► Like what was trying to save money and give me I'm nice big thick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► You know it doesn't need to be so thick that he can't get through it but it shouldn't be easily bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► or like the type of thing where it will slowly deteriorate and just crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► or like the heat will work it's what you know it should be it should not feel cheap it should bend easily the tray that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► you put stuff in soon to be like the thinnest possible metal you can get so that it slowly bends and warps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► and dents just. Again it's of the call. You know that has them soon a cheap toaster and a good one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► Just make things a little bit thicker so that's that's how I'm going to be judging any toaster that comes into my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► That's amazing. We talk about cars for a few minutes. We can all right. I drove them for. Wow that's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► So what's that about so friend of mine. KEITH. He just traded his in ninety two M three for a brand new.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► I have to admit it's pretty damn nice. I probably would not order one with the D.C.T. However it's really nice and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► Oh my goodness Ian plus like. I don't mean this in a genuine sense but my cars ruined. I the M four was loud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► and then of course Keith pointed out is for driving around you know I don't know how much of that is the speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► and how much of that is the car. But. Well the M. Cars are all loud. But they they're intentionally loud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► Although from. I haven't. I'm still not seein em for a real life as a for a few seconds on the highway Leo way but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► But from what I've seen in videos and from those who turn in the highway it did seem louder than the usual for em cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► Yeah it was surprisingly loud. A little bit of turtle wax which I was surprised by because my car has virtually none. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► And this had a little bit which I guess makes sense if you have a bigger turbo or pushing more boost or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► but it certainly surprised me that the that the number was more than zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► The interior was bigger than I expected which is probably silly because it's a three series. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► So to speak yeah obviously it's an M. Four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► But my point being that it's just you know the same size as your average three series with one must search US stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► but. It was bigger inside that I expected. The the driving experience though was just amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► Got it was so good and it was extremely quick. I feel like it was in Ivan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► You know crunch numbers or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► but I feel like the power to weight ratio of your car Marco in this car were approximately equivalent in so far as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► stand on the gas and you are hurdled forward at an uncomfortable rate of speed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► And he was well within break and I think a card like three hundred miles on it or some like that so I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► I was coming off. Throttle it. You know five thousand R.P.M. or Something like that but. Oh my goodness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► The thing was amazing and. Now I kind of want them three. Well not that I didn't before but I really I want to get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► I forget the name of the blue but the bright bright bright blue which is not my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► and was not his favorite either but it looked better in person. Not not too dissimilar from the orange one am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► I forget what actual color that is Mark. Probably knows but. Well that was the valencia orange. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► I prefer the secure or east on the on the newer cars but the ones your ages at think it's still in the X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► Water least it was on the next one before. It's a. It's very pale in person. The secure oranges is almost red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► It's a nicely bull darker. So I prefer that one. I mean to be feared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► There are no good colours on the modern m3 so I can't speak for the M five locked in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► but the M three in the M four is no good colours there's black there's white and there's a bunch of crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► I've seen the M four in the dog vomit color is one of them around here that is a lot the yellow one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► It's so bad as that is I've only had one dog where that's that's called a dog Volman is always going to mind a limb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► or orange. And then months closer to the Securities Co Ltd. It's actually more like the valencia orange bowl. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► And Paul Cronin points out which I believe is right it's Yes Marina blue eyes the blue I'm talking about I mean I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► OK I lamented numerous times that I actually did not want to get a white three thirty five I preferred to get a limb on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► blue. Three thirty five in this and I was reminded of how much I should have gotten that color. When we were at W.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► This past year and jury had driven by and I am almost sure that he is the thirty five D. Is in fact Lamont blue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► Which is really annoying because it's freaking beautiful. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► For was amazing I kind of want one I'm going to sell the two of you in order to buy one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► It's been great working with you. So a few questions. First of all. Which do you think is a worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► Color collection overall the colors available for the M four or the colors available for i Pad cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► I would actually say the M four probably but it is a tight race. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► The M four definitely because things like i Pad cases you can have in kind of fanciful collars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► and it's not a big deal but the carport That's a lot of color like it's a big thing it's a big expensive thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► and especially in the case of B.M.W.'s very like the non white and black panther like magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► and a fairy dust in them in cost and but judging dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► That's that's a way more important thing to worry about the color of than and I pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► and I begged his like well I get you get to i Pad cases in different colors you could swap them like this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► intrinsic part of a super expensive thing that you're you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► Investing a lot of your yourself and your image in your desires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► and so it's much worse for cars to have that cause lections. Yeah. Like I love the secure orange color. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► It was available on the M five. I chickened out. Because for the same difference like. I would love this color for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► You know a couple of days a month. And then the rest of time I'd be like like I feel it too much also used to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► It's a big car. They would stick out like right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► It would just be ridiculous like if I ever got like a small fun car again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► I would be much more likely to pick a color like that on a small fun occasional driver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► But not like my daily driver my big four door sedan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► I'm probably going to want to be black most of the time or something close to Black one of those dark areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► or whatever because it's like free free for like your everyday car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► For the Civic the thing you're going to have for years like it's your right leg I am not willing to take a risk on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► kind of like bright out there color. I don't know I think it's made for people who will take that risk. That's not us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► I forgot one toaster thing very move on to that. Where the actual toaster I reviewed the chrome trim doesn't slide out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► Horizontally. Like you know. You can just pull it straight out. You have to tilt it and get it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► when your tilt that there's a chance that the crumbs into that are on the cruncher I will go skittering off the chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► Into the putting we're trying to take them out of so that jumps to light that is not a good design market's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► ask me. So a couple more quickly ma'am for did you feel any slippages like what was the Corey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► Putting out more power than what you could reason to put on the road. I didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► When I kept the car pointed in a straight line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► And so as you and I learned em school you should really only be getting on the gas with any sort of urgency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► and especially I learned at the M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► School coming up to the homie you should only be getting on the gas of any sort of urgency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► when your wheels your front wheels are pointed straight ahead. And when that happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► When I when I did kind of stand on it. When the wheels were pointed straight ahead. I did not notice any slippage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► But to be fair. I was giving it. You know a whole bunch of throttle for very little blips at a time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► Typically not in the lowest possible gear because this car's brand new it's not a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► and it's a treat said that yours. It's not mine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► I have a feeling that if I were to put myself in a situation where I wanted to move forward with the utmost of urgency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► that yes it would probably slip that being said I did take a sweeping right hand ninety degree turn with some serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► quickness and. I gave it some gas probably before I should have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► And I did not notice the traction control cutting in by way of obvious loss of power like it was clear that I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► moving forward as quick as I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► but it wasn't one of those situations where also the car hits a brick wall so to speak. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► However I did see the trash can control light going berzerk on the dashboard so it clearly was not happy with me that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► was getting on the gas. With urgency. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► Coming out of a ninety degree turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► and as much as I also did not want my three thirty five to the all wheel drive I would have preferred rear wheel drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► one of the nice thing about having all will drive car. Is that I can within reason just stand on the gas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► With the wheels pointed in any direction in just about any conditions. And I will move forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► With a particular urgency. And that is not the case and in the M four and certainly not the case in your car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► As I realized when I went for you know. Harpooning off the course in the borrowed M five at the end. Yeah exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► And this is this is the reason why. I'm very excited about the prospect of an Although Dr out of five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► You know a lot of the purists are really upset about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► I really want that because these cars put out so much low end torque ever since there have been turbocharged. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6116">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► They put it so much low end torque that like they can't put the power to the road they are too powerful to be just rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► drive and to be able to use. Most of that power. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► You and I have gone back and forth about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► and I still find it a little weird the thought of having a wheel drive em car but as I just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► and as you just said there are absolutely advantages to it without question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► Or any a Mercedes has them out he has the way this is not a new concept. Like the just just B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► That the one holdout that refuses to make all the drivers of their super sport cars will be a portion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► and think Lamborghini Therion Porsche does have the G.T. Three horses the career for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► Yeah but I think Lamborghini has on an event or four hundred or most Lamborghinis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► or four wheel drive the turbo to your point was always four wheel drive. But the G.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► Three was always was with the turbo motor but without four wheel drive. I probably getting it wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► Four wheel drive I don't think it's necessary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► As evidence by all of the two wheel drive supercars of but if you are for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► If you're driving skills are not up to that task for a drive is certainly more kind of point and shoot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► It's probably a better trade off to spend some way of making it for one drive just so the average person can drive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► without constantly breaking the rear and those have a higher chance of doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► Another break break all four tires listen. That's hard. I completely agree and as I've said numerous times in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► Perhaps my favorite point shoot car that I've ever driven was my friend Brian's folks like our thirty two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► And it had a absolutely terrible dual clutch transmission. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► However you stood on the gas at any speed with the wheels pointed in any direction in any gear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► And you were going to move with a quickness in the direction the cars pointing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► when there was you know that was nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6236">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► You didn't have to think about it you could be completely ham fisted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► and the car will sort itself out which is pretty neat that you want you want to G.D.R. Than. Yeah. Kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► I kind of do. So we have to address the steering question so. To to introduce this topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► All of their all the recent three series and threes and fours have electric power steering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► and this is different from the old hydraulic systems which everyone knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► and the their more efficient the main complaint about electric power steering in general is that it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► Don't feel the road really anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► and it's kind of hassle like artificially simulated to some degree like you're not feeling the direct pressure is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► the tired of feeling the vibrations the tires are giving back to you and so it doesn't feel natural. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► And you have a lot less feedback about the tires are doing different A.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► Systems have come out over the last few years that all claim to be improving in this regard they all claim to be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► and more precise and giving more feedback back to the driver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► I have never heard anybody though say that the that the E.P.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► System in a car they drove was as good as hydraulic steering or better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► There was one recent review own car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► and driver where they said that they prefer the electrics during over the last drop I just tried to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► when you tweeted that and I couldn't remember where the car was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► A couple months ago and actually in the most current issue of Car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► and Driver They have entire multi-page spread talking about the different kinds of electronic assess for power steering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► I haven't read it yet but I wish it to remember where the car was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► but it's basically what you're saying is right in generalities By think there was a least one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► In one car comparison they said this one even those one of leisure experience better feeling steering than the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► but that is really just getting to the point now where I think very few of the very latest electronic systems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► Start to approach that of the hydraulic system. Right. And Fred and the one in tips three series G.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► That one is really not good I that is that is the biggest thing that would keep me from buying a current three series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► is I really really hate the current three Series EE P.S. It's really bad it does not. It feels incredibly just know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► And disconnected it. It does not feel natural. It. This isn't this isn't just a sports car driver. Complaint. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► No can feel the difference in this and a lot of people don't like it because it doesn't feel like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► It doesn't feel like previous cars like it has a very different feel. And the way feedback and it's generally not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► It doesn't feel the way you expect a steering wheel a feel a news. So all that is to say. So the P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► Four is allegedly supposed to be a good one and I have the reviews and have been generally positive but slightly mixed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► and direct way for me to answer this question is to tell you I didn't think about it until Keith asked me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► OK that's good that's similar to when you asked me about how the engine noise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► Simulation was in the M five I said the same day which is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► When I was driving it I didn't even notice or think about it until like the end of the trip but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► but I read what I remembered oh yeah. It has fake engine noise and I have a nose that the whole time. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► So to be clear. I took the car out on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► You know surface road so I will excel reading from almost not moving to probably a smidge more than legal speed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► Very very quickly but I wasn't exactly. You know. Going around a track or anything like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► Furthermore you know I was getting off the gas quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► and with regard to turns there were always cars in front of me so the best I could do was slow up a bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► And then take the turn at probably either the speed limit or a hair above it and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► I wish I could tell you that I'm just saying that's I don't get myself in trouble with that really was the case I'd in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► in other words I didn't get the chance to like really beat on the car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► But I didn't notice any issues with the steering I thought it felt heavy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► Which isn't by necessity a bad thing in specially on a sports car like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► I don't recall the specifics of what steering mode it was in I know I was in the most feared the most fierce gear shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► on the D.C.T. There's a term for the rise here like S three and then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► And then you know what whether you are in comfort or sport or sport plus on the steering is a different story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► Generally the prove is sport plus on everything except steering where you put that in comfort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► Right and what I did end up doing very briefly toward the end of the trip is hitting the AM but in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► But I didn't notice any discernible difference in the way the steering felt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► But you know like I can't stress enough that you should take this with two silos focus on health because I was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► car for maybe ten minutes or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► and again it was on surface road suburban roads it was not a particularly wonderful test. But I didn't notice it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► The one thing I did notice however speaking of the good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► Box was man when you have that thing on a serial whatever the most serious shifting motives. That thing shifts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6534">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► Hard like. Surprisingly hard not to the point that I would say it was like uncomfortable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► But it was quick and it was rough. There was no slippage whatsoever. Additionally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► I've programmed myself over the years that when I'm driving a car that has only two pedals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► When I come off the brake it will roll forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► That doesn't happen in these cars right that's why I like the C.T.'s because they behave like sticks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► But that's so well I'm not saying it's bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► And I think I once I got used to it I would absolutely prefer it but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► but having driven my car like two hours prior to come to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► And then my friend met me at work we just drove around real quick to go from that to for my car which. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► You know is a normal clutch car. To this car which. Because I see only two pedals I think of as an automatic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► When I took my foot off the brake I'm waiting for to creep in it didn't end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► and it took me a second realize what crap was going on at first I thought I was neutral. But hey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► But it soon as I realize oh wait is the D.C.T. Color it's probably not you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► Disengaging the clutch reengaging clutch always got that backwards but it's not. You know manipulating the clutch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► Until I give it a little bit of gas but it was reasonably smooth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► Stop and go traffic kind of speeds just like your car is I mean this is nothing that particular different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► Might be the same box play very well could be it was seven speed yours and seven speed. OK. But yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► I love the car I thought it was excellent as time goes on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► I still think if I if I were to hypothetically buy an M three tomorrow. I would take the six Mt you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► Give me the clutch. Gear. The check box. But that being said if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► What's the The Simpsons line you know I for one welcome our D.C.T. Future G.C.T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► Overlords whatever it is I'm sorry John I'm sorry but your that hail ants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► Yeah totally that was that was part of that quote wasn't it because was like ants coming in to take over the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► or something anyway. I was a sign behind him. Just gone. OK OK. So the point being if. If my future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► Is dual clutch transmissions because the traditional clutch transmission goes away. I'll be sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► But I think I'll be OK. Overall I think it'll. I think it'll work out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► And you should get ready for a one one pedal driving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► I wish I had a chance to try that I was a passenger Winstone was doing that but that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► That is the future that just as you get used to do. The transmissions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► That's going to be one pedal driver you talk about like a Tesla that you can basically drive the car with one paddle in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► most conditions of your careful because not only does. You know. Not doesn't creep forward like an automatic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► But when you take your foot off the gas. It acts like it's breaking. Like as you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► As you let up on on the accelerator it goes into regenerative braking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► and everything is so it's like so you can literally drive it with one foot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► and you only need to actually use the brake breaks that pinch little discs inside the wheels for stopping you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► Not not just emergency time for stopping faster than you would normally want to stop rolling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► But that's been true for as long as the Jeep Wrangler spin around because I sure you put a Jeep Wrangler at sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► seventy eighty miles an hour at highway speeds. You think your foot off the gas in that box is going to stop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► Or is going to roll over and explode I thought about yeah you get a minivan there when resistance both low you're down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► Now did you see by the way that Elan Musk tweeted like a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► or two ago that they were increasing the zero to sixty time if I believe the P A T five by doing it over the air update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► It did just see the videos of people's reactions those passengers got out fantastic because that seriously fats minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► was three point two seconds three point one zero it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► I think the most shocking thing about is that it feels more like an amusement ride because it is not accompanied by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► First of all that the torque curve is different than on any kind of gas engine a second is not accompanied by serve any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► No any sort of roaring engineering of the car noises so it's the best analogy I think of as those amusement park rides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► That have a thing that accelerates the entire roller coaster from a dead stop to high speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► and not an engine you know it's something else it's going to rule and so. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► It's unlikely to be shocking but I would prefer the engine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:16 ◼ ► The sound of an engine in a sporty yentas like the Tesla specially with the P.T. Five G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6796">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► Now that all the drugs crazy one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► I'm really I would love to drive one of those just I've never I've never driven a Tesla I'm I'm curious if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► If I'm going to drive one that's the one I want to drive of course and. I'm just I would love to try that out sometime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► Because what they like is still the case for test drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► when you have to give them five grand a get on the waiting list. I don't know. I have heard that story but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► So I am really curious the drive that just to see how it is how it compares to like really sporty gas car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► Ultimately though I totally get the appeal of like keeping your sporting needs. Basic And to that end I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6834">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► I spent a lot of time on the couch this week because I've been really sick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► And so I started looking into the Porsche Cayman. And so the G.T. Four was announced today. Right or when I'm yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► So I've actually been looking at Cayman stuff a couple days ago because they meant to handle on the top tier thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► And I don't know I never for my pens or you know like sit in a bunch of our bunch of our car friends. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► Think well of the Porsche Cayman Porsche Porsche what us what you're saying here Orsha. OK. Find out of your bio on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► So for. I've also never driven a mid engine car. I think if I was going to buy a small fun car again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► Which I probably shouldn't say I last time it was a pain yeah. But if I was going to buy a small fun car again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► I think what I would buy. Would be the previous generation of Cam and the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► And I think even just asked why not let the super crazy G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► Whatever I don't own much about their lineups and how the differentiation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► Goes but what I would want would be a six peed with hydraulic power steering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6898">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► and a relatively simple lightweight car with a good amount of power and. I think the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► The like twenty ten or twenty twelve Cayman S. Is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► Like I think if you're going to have a small sporty fun car going like the purest route with just real drive six peed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► mid engine. I think that's a really powerful combination that's why one loves us so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► I think I think that would be the way to go not like super technical I like the new M three M. For. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► Not even really of the new modern Caymans that are that have like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► You know the E.P.A.'s they have more advanced everything more. You know more expensive course but just like everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► More a tronic more advanced like. Just the old style. Just six peed a real physical parking brake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► Think that there's a lot of appeal of that I think would you guys do. I don't know it's a tough call. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► On paper that's probably the right answer. I've always fancied in S two thousand which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► You know lower class and what you're talking about but I've always liked them both still very well the regard of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► Like yours I can buy a nest of that neither can you case if you ever try to set him on a driven one. Like they're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► Size for us there it's like being in a car has left a small for you. Very true but I do like them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► I you know I wasn't prepared for this question I have to think about it you know the. I have a few friends. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► Like the guy who owned the are thirty two he still has and thirty six M. Three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► Which with not a lot of work can be a phenomenal. Track car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► Or just that sort of car if you know if you don't you'll turn it into a track queen just with a little bit of work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► can be reasonably quick and in just handle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► Unbelievably well you know there's something to be said for the Toyota Peru there. Absurdly slow woefully slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► Like almost so slow that I wouldn't ever be able to drive one slow that's not going to say about even his choice of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► Came in like it's kind of weird for your fun car to be slower than the one whatever the car seat in it that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► I mean this in practice I would probably never actually get out of her under the car because I don't like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► multiple cars I like having one. Good all around or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► You know rather than having like family boring car and small fun car I'd much rather have the one all around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► and that's you know it's especially if they make it all the drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► Version of the M five than and that's it that's just that's it I'm less so and what I'm basically hedging against is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► If they ruin everything. So if they bring in the new E.P.A.'s system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► The next generation of five which they will certainly do you know do I have to have a terribly P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:44 ◼ ► System to get this fun car that I will drive like. It's so the be a lot less satisfying to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7064">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► Most likely so I'm always worried that like that all the new stuff is going to ruin everything like what the old stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► so I better. Get an old one quickly and you know be able to save it for forever which of course was really work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7076">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► I put the picture of the came in that I thought Margaret was talking about I was a kind of weird to me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► but like the model. I think we came in as a good idea. Like in that sort of range. You know it's the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► The simple mid engine sort of pure sports car thing they're just ridiculously expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► but what I would get is the generation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► I don't know if this is like the first generation that took the rear a little spoiler thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► and pulled it into the headlights. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► As you can see in that picture like where that where that you know that little thing is sticking out of the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► And it actually goes into the headlights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:36 ◼ ► and it's also like a little ridge on the headlights themselves the first generation they did that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7116">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► That's the one I would get I think that's the one Marco is talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► Yeah we talk I read this good article on Jalopnik I did put in the show notes titled How much better is the new Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► And they compare the new one which is the model nine eight one versus the old one which is a model nine eight seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► And yes the numbers go backwards it's weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7137">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► So that's what I'm talking about the Nine eight seven is the one that actually like the way they're describing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► and how it looks and how simple and traditional it is that appeals to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:08 ◼ ► Whereas the new one really doesn't call so you want them on more the lower. The spoiler does not go into that blades. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7148">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► Yeah this is the black one that's the black one of those articles I think I don't I don't like how that one looks quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► I don't know about the other attributes of it I think it at the tester [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► but either one you mean the tail lights have the daylight sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► OK that makes a lot more sense yeah I was also confused for a second that was I saying had lived all time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► Yes I'm looking at the picture of the tell the back of the car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► I mean I don't think the back of either of them looked very good to be honest I like this is just how I'm choosing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► when they redid the styling for the new generation that is the most distinguishing feature of the U.V.'s way to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► the new one from the old ones you can tell from the how do you tell from the whole car ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► Just look at how is despoiling go into them or does it not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► and the one I like is the older one where the spoiler does not go into the taillights. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► I don't I don't like with only about one as much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► Not that I love the spoiler going to tell it's been like that stick in my just my signifier for the overall car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► But I don't know that the test result of the liberal they're both good choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► but I guess that it would be weird to buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► Like this isn't small enough and find enough to be an excuse like if you want to get something like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► You know one of Ariel Adam but because I think actually is faster than your and five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► but very much so because there's not really a car there. I know but I'm semi-classical And you know his seat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7227">TS</a>]
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02:12:17 ◼ ► You know like like a viper almost as big like done for reasons I'm sure there's a fitted set of luggage you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7937">TS</a>]
02:12:24 ◼ ► another ten. Every every supercar as a fit of other luggage that goes into the little cubby so they give you for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7944">TS</a>]
02:12:34 ◼ ► I don't fantasize about owning a supercar because none of that sounds appealing to me at all like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7954">TS</a>]
02:12:40 ◼ ► I you know I thought it was even too annoying to have the one I am in the three series so this would be your fun car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7960">TS</a>]
02:12:45 ◼ ► and I guess if you were on to get a fun run about a car. This would this would not feel intimidated by having fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7965">TS</a>]
02:12:52 ◼ ► The M five is my regular kind of boring car and then when I want to have fun a happen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7972">TS</a>]
02:12:57 ◼ ► and I only do that like I put you know. Five hundred miles on it a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7977">TS</a>]
02:13:00 ◼ ► It was yeah it's like the whole reason why I like the M five is because it is still it is a really amped up version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7980">TS</a>]
02:13:09 ◼ ► a normal family sedan. And so like my thing is. I don't I don't. I don't really do anything unique or fun with my cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7989">TS</a>]
02:13:19 ◼ ► I don't go to tracks. I'm not like driving along mountain roads or anything for the most part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/7999">TS</a>]
02:13:24 ◼ ► I'm doing very boring things. I'm driving around the suburbs going grocery shopping. Yeah buddy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8004">TS</a>]
02:13:29 ◼ ► But even just doing boring things and this would be different than doing boring things in your I'm five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8009">TS</a>]
02:13:34 ◼ ► The reason I like the M five is because I my. My life is doing extremely boring things in a way to truly Fund Me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8014">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► And so that like the M five is is. I love doing boring things in that car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:48 ◼ ► If I had like a super car like the furry I would. I would first of all feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8028">TS</a>]
02:13:53 ◼ ► Infinite stress about it as far as not really a supercross the law for Arias is it because I know they want to call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8033">TS</a>]
02:13:59 ◼ ► a hypercar in that he's a surprise but I think we should not allow the name inflation to take place the entry level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8039">TS</a>]
02:14:06 ◼ ► If I forgot to call a California Ventrilo Isn't this like two hundred forty grand or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8046">TS</a>]
02:14:11 ◼ ► I don't know but as you know it's not. I would say this is. This is not a super car makes a difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8051">TS</a>]
02:14:17 ◼ ► I don't know about that John. The McLaren The put it this way the McLaren P one is a super car. The M.P.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8057">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► Twelve whatever C. Thing is not a super The M.P. For twelve C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:27 ◼ ► That's not a super car with people on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8067">TS</a>]
02:14:28 ◼ ► and already not like the top of the line of a zipper as they kept trying to change the name of like all those are hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8068">TS</a>]
02:14:34 ◼ ► cars but is every Ferrari super cardinal look at fire I keep it anyway yes it's very expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8074">TS</a>]
02:14:40 ◼ ► but like it's the same thing it's like if you've got a convertible like. If you've got a convertible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8080">TS</a>]
02:14:44 ◼ ► You've got a convertible car and I can I'm volatile I burn easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8084">TS</a>]
02:14:48 ◼ ► Like that that would be a different drive me sprint like the experience of driving is even if you drive it in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8088">TS</a>]
02:14:52 ◼ ► way the sensations and sounds are driving the exact same distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8092">TS</a>]
02:14:56 ◼ ► and speed in this car would be so different not to mention the whole idea of like the thing that you like the view out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8096">TS</a>]
02:15:01 ◼ ► of this thing and the view behind this thing and like just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8101">TS</a>]
02:15:04 ◼ ► It's a different experience driving this car than it is driving something of what feels like a different type of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8104">TS</a>]
02:15:10 ◼ ► You know like oh so you're looking for is there a view behind you can you see anything out there Rick. Barely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8110">TS</a>]
02:15:15 ◼ ► But that's part of the experience like it will feel different and thing out of the same way you have the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8115">TS</a>]
02:15:22 ◼ ► It's giving you a different experience that's why like I think a super cheap convertible anything would be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8122">TS</a>]
02:15:26 ◼ ► enough from Graham five that you may consider a fun car and then you can say well yes it's half the speed of my M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8126">TS</a>]
02:15:31 ◼ ► Five. But it's a convertible. That makes it very different. Yeah that's fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8131">TS</a>]
02:15:36 ◼ ► This is like that's why I let you know I like the slightly older Cayman is an interesting option to me because so it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8136">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► smaller lighter. Mid engine lower. Whereas some like A but I think the problem when I had the one M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:48 ◼ ► The problem was I never wanted to drive through twenty eight anymore. Like it what I didn't I couldn't balance it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8148">TS</a>]
02:15:53 ◼ ► Like I only want to drive the one M. but Because I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8153">TS</a>]
02:15:57 ◼ ► and space reasons that I was stressed out about ever getting a single little scratch on it because it was irreplaceable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8157">TS</a>]
02:16:04 ◼ ► Like it stressed me out too much to own it and I it was always kind of a struggle to balance that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8164">TS</a>]
02:16:09 ◼ ► That's why I think my. My ultimate best choice is to just keep buying really nice four door sedan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8169">TS</a>]
02:16:15 ◼ ► Plus I never like sitting like basically on the ground. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8175">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► You already are on the ground now it's a little lower than that I was talking about Markos height. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:24 ◼ ► You know the any any of these include including most likely the Caymans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7SYZw/8184">TS</a>]