00:00:00 ◼ ► building this is the most interesting step at a park as well as you keep this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/0">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► in the show she better not do I put that in cinema victory garden first of all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/8">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► want to start the show at the story about the theme song are our theme song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► by jonathan mann spelled the same way as Merlin Mann but with Jonathan in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► of Merlin our theme song so here's what happened when we started the show I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/27">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► to Merlin Mann because he made the theme song to his back to work podcast and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/33">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► went to Maryland I said look i'm looking for for the for the show that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/39">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► doing I'm looking for something that is kind of punchy 28 is opening chords are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► to back to work lol did you mention bleeps and bloops to him I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/47">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► just irritate you anyways I went to Berlin I said you have it you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/53">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► leave with something up in GarageBand or something you like to do that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/62">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► stuff and he's really good at it so I said you know something up in GarageBand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/65">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► or something just to make a quick opener and a quick closer to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/68">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► and he said he'll work on it and and then like a week later Jonathan man does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/76">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► the song and releases a new tube during his his song a day thing I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► willing to ensure notes jonathan mann did this this awesome theme song that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► we've been using an almost every episode since then if every episode it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/92">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► damn catchy like he came out shortly before Casey I went on a big Germany car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/97">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► trip and we were talking about the trip it was in our heads the entire time are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► it was in our wives had the entire time it was it's so catchy and we've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► so many responses on Twitter saying the show a stutter that the theme song stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/111">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► in my head it's been stuck in my head all day all week or whatever and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/115">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► just love this thing and I love it and we love it except John but the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/119">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► us and and so eventually I want tomorrow and I'm like you know I think you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/122">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► think we're gonna have to keep this cuz it's so good and he's like yeah I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► with you should definitely keep the head it's it's really when you when you gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► more on the assignor for the song did you make sure it had a budget a deadline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► and resources that I didn't and therefore I guess it wasn't it wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/140">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► priority no it wasn't a priority I think priorities it didn't have a level 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/147">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► priority my only had a level eight priority but there's nineteen other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/153">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► level a priorities something like that I think getting this right right marlin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/156">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► anyway so I think it was a Merlin impression if not that good I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/160">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► any cards to flatter also be lemon grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► that's that's that's more stressful I can't do it cuz I don't even know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/170">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► show that is I guess I've heard marilyn do it enough times that I I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► you're talking about anyway so so so I went to jonathan mann I said hey can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/179">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► just keep using this like you know can I can I give you something for it I can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/186">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► keep using the people of it he said all he wants is for us to mention his site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/192">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► and his business as well as businesses this guy you've probably heard his songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/198">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► before at least one of them one of the biggest ones is when when Apple did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► antennagate press conference back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► in 2010 was a late 2010 or that was they opened the press conference with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/209">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► song about the antennagate issue and that song was jonathan mann song I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/215">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► it was just sort of the day for one of those days or something that he released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► it before then and Steve Jobs came out and said good morning thanks for joining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► us here we saw that on YouTube this morning and couldn't help but want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► they opened the coveted as Steve Jobs likes his songs his song gets stuck in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/233">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► your head and he has a business where he could write a song for your company if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/238">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► you want him to and so go to this site it's jonathan mann the two ends dotnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/243">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► and we'll put that in the show notes also and you can see his followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/249">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► YouTube channel cuz you know he put on the songs every day and they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► catchy he did hypercritical song back few months back when when I was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/256">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► going and that was really catchy and so he just really good at writing songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/261">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► that get stuck in your head and so if you have a podcast or a company or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/266">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► point that you can't walk that cuz that's really good for you like that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► of the reasons I wanted to keep the song for us is because I got stuck in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► head that's good for the show that's like promotion for the show and it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► you a good feeling when you hear us every week so so thanks a lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► jonathan mann for letting us use the song and check out a site similar to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/284">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► senate's jonathan mann with 2 N's dotnet yeah I feel compelled to point out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► when you say they're catchy that's like the good kind of catchy not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/293">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► modern pop music annoying catchy where it's like this thing burrowing into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/297">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► brain it's not a happy catchy the one that he kinda giggle about every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/302">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► you hear somebody coming after singing it as TIFF in all of us did for most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/306">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► the Germany trip so it's the good kind of catching yeah it's not like a pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/310">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► music that you want to do you want to drill your brains out right with a spoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► because you just cannot get out your head I mean this is the good kind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► this guy obviously you know Jonathan has a real town here because he's big he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► made lots of songs that are that catchy like it's not like he had one that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► really catchy and that was it he was done he seems to be really really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► at specifically creating good catchy songs and exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/333">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► yeah and I believe his his reasoning for that was like to keep himself sharpen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► you know and develop these skills and he really i mean you could tell this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► he's he's really could hit anywhere so thank you to join the man that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/345">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► freaking great to have the steam so on and I love it and at most of the host of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/350">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► two-thirds of the host any other versions of the song I like this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/357">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► catchy I like it I just I'm partial to bleeps and bloops and I i agree with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/362">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► people who say that the bleeps and bloops the weakest of the song is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/368">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► it sounds like there should be more song and there isn't whereas the the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► one it kind of is a complete thing you know I should point it also I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/374">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► adjusted the DEQ in the in the way things I adjusted the EQ 24 starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/379">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► last week's episode just to meet the song sound better like it needed any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► help would you just walked out I was I was killing its audio quality would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/390">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► cause I was applying the voice EQ to the global track to all of us including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► song track to now the song track is untouched and so you get to hear it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► its full glory 64 kilobytes now that we have two consecutive podcast about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/401">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► podcast yes I really quick follow-up that I just want to mention a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/408">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► people have come out of the woodwork and recommended a million different list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► apps to me after my complaining about the way that list apps work and I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► something super simple in one of the things I heard a lot of his dude why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► don't you just use a reminder sap which at first I didn't even realize you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/424">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► share less than that but apparently you can do it i think im just on the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► and definitely honest but not on iOS it's close to what I want it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/431">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► really what I want it's not worth discussing what I want is really boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► and not that exciting but I just wanted to thank everyone for pointing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► these things out but also say I've heard every recommendation under the Sun at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► this point and if you really want to engage me on Twitter to argue about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► these this kind of minutiae then you know where to find me just listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/450">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► yeah I also I was talking about list apps yesterday be shopping in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/456">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► people brought this up to me also and I just you know what my problem is I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/462">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► the clear app I actually like using that in the story because it has like such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/468">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► minimal interface and everything is like a big talks are can you describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► everything it's really easy to use while shopping I like that as you cross things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► off they fall off the list and so the beauty alone I get smaller it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► it's really really very nice man walking around the store you don't have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► looked at closely at ever had the phone you don't want to be that precise with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/489">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► your gestures you know everything is like big and friendly to one-handed use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/492">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► while shopping and I was I was lamenting problems I was having with its sinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/496">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► to the Mac client and not being able to multi line pace of apparently if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/501">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► like doing shit gesture or something it it lets up there are some kind of crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/505">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► gesture that would never have guessed to to attempt a multi-line pay something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► don't know why I didn't try since then but anyway so I was expressing my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/513">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► disdain for for shopping list apps and just like just like to see I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/519">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► billion recommendations from everybody about their favorite shopping list app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/525">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► or in many cases the shopping list app that they make themselves so funny how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/530">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► like so many of these hips they didn't they they only did like a third of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/535">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► I asked for which is very well as far as fairly simple and I didn't even have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/541">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► sharing comment casey had all I want is to have a sync between the Mac and iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/545">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► and iOS client to be as easy to use as clear when I'm actually shopping and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/551">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► the sink for some reason doesn't work very well let me at least type the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► listener knack email it to myself and then copy and paste into the list in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► multi-line multi-item action and so many recommendations couldn't fit my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/565">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► fairly minimal required it's anyway it wasn't it was a it was the problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/571">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► I haven't people getting all these recommendations is it takes time to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/580">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and you know if I have something that works like 90% of the way or eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/586">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► percent of the way that the chances that i'm gonna take an hour one day and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► fourteen different other list apps that's never gonna happen I'm never get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► like the pain of using the 1 I'm already using is never gonna be great enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► make it worth even looking at the other ones or something else about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► recommendations as I get them alot to people do recommendations kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/608">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► they're participating and personal computer gamesmanship on the Internet in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/612">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► 1992 like they do with feature checkboxes in seeing you this is XYZ cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/617">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► and peace and especially for iOS apps I find that a lot of the time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/622">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► application that I use I like for reasons that have nothing to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/629">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► features like I had knowledge that this lacks features and has an annoying bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/633">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► the drives me insane but but I like how it looks better I like where the but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► like the three buttons that I press must really like where they are because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► the way holder with my thumb like crap like that that that that determines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► which people yelling at me on that at about why use of that class cuz I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/648">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► constant complaining about net pots annoying bugs but not marking replies is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► red and silly things like that and you know I have bought like every month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/658">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► explains that exists already have all these out like this one has a future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/663">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► forever and like I know I have all them but when I like I just something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► how did that but looks or like it looks like at that to me or I like where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► buttons are you know the intangibles and that could be why you end up using an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► application over how the rapid doesn't always doesn't always have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/679">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► featured check boxes and it's crazy to me that people who are like in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► community and you know sort of in our circle that part of their brain shuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► off when one like comparing applications are usually has the future you want well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► if it's ugly I'm not going to use it was not really I guess not to my taste like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► I'm not I'm hearing other people's applications and how they do a bad job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► laying it out but sometimes you like how one looks better than the other you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/702">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► we're but neither what's about to slide it was not a slide and people don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/706">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► to hear that like whenever people ask about our recommendations I have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/711">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► this whole song and dance about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/716">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► this is the application that I like but it's not necessarily the best one for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► you because maybe you like different things than I do you know that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/721">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► ran into with recommendations to me and said Oh you want something super simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/726">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► what's wrong with you want to use reminders and there's a there's several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► reasons why don't really want to use reminders none of which matter and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► really not worth getting into but I tried to tell people this and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/738">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► myself well I just told you it doesn't you're famous person like this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/745">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► things that you want the famous person to use your app because this is used by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/750">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► this person who has this voice to the world or whatever but I cannot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► nothing against a lot of these apps like some of them like knowledge or better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► applications in the 1 I'm choosing to use but if one is green and one is red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► and I really like a red red wine even disagreement is technically a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► happen that's how people actually are and I don't think we have to should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► excluded from being allowed to be just like people aren't picking agreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/775">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► with you like green as long as it were clear when people ask about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► recommendations like this is the app that I like but there are plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► other really great apps to try the ones I didn't buy every single one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► and then pick the one you like best you know and what you said a minute ago you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► said you liked this button being red and blue like back when I worked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/794">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► store if you time to analyze I'll be quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► back when I worked at the visa and Pittsburgh may be made the cluster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► search engine among other things we would get support emails from trustees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► saying I use you over Google because I like the color scheme on the site or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/810">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► you know you like people you would think of Google in 2006 or 2005 and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► doing this like they were on top of their game they were dominating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/821">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► search market being wasn't around yet Duck Duck Go isn't everything was Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/824">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► back then and you would think an alternative search engine there be no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/828">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► market for it but there was like there wasn't another market for Google sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► company to have their own search engine but when you had a little one like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/837">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► did run by only a handful of people you can pay them with with the revenue you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► can be sustainable with a small company having a small product of a small market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/845">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► to the market is just so damn big that if you can get half of one percent of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/850">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► to prefer your product over the other one you can see you can see you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/855">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► support a company on that as long as it's not that big of a company you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/859">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► and and there's that applies to something that applies to the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► that applies to so many things where you think there's no more room in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/865">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► for your product but there is that you know that there might not be a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► of room for your product you might not be able to have a ton of users and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/873">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► a ton of money but there is enough space for Sustainable Living to be made by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/877">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► or a handful of people in a lot more markets and you think you can always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/883">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► rely on me to break that awkward silence that this position by Marco is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/894">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► foreshadowing of his future endeavors in just a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/900">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► yes that's it I'm gonna lie I have a screenshot I I posted my preview of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/905">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► to-do app with filters to do it on Twitter yeah because you know now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/910">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► thinking they're there aren't enough apps in the App Store that let you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► a photo and I saw there was a shopping list yes yes and and and so that market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/920">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► i think is underserved areas are in a photo filter apps as we just discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► there are many of many to do apps and but there aren't really any that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► love so I'm going to combine the two and maybe throw in a flashlight as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/935">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► those are pretty bad too and i was thinkin maybe a weather feature as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/939">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► because all those things are dramatically underserved and and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/945">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► would be a a flashlight whether shopping list with filters have two words for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/949">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► animated kale done it you should call it it should be the name of the app now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/955">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► should have animated count on it when you write down count list I wanna see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/963">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► can leave whenever they want them to be animated like you're shaking the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/966">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► off of them from fruits prayers no not that they should blow with in proportion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/970">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► to the wind velocity where you stand accelerometer and gyroscope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/975">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► run with the market you can figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► caught in stylist who seem to like i I don't plan to ever reuse the prefix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/983">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► instead anymore because ever since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/989">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► Instagram came out and became insanely popular it's that Breivik has been so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/993">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► overused now that if I use it again I will look like I'm copying the trend and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/999">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► not just like up he my own previous product that predated most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► instant cree is like you know there's like there's nothing I can really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► about that you know you can accept that you know that freezer been ruined and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► move on anyway talk about that happened today do we care I think we probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► there were some interesting bits I'm just trying to be because then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► had dinner and concert so I'm really all I saw the tweets about it but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► nothing so hopefully you guys know more about the Nigerian then you can explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► that to me who doesn't know the stuff and that will serve to also explain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► to the listeners who could not endure three and a half hours of that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► or maybe they have jobs well to that end I did not watch the three and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► hour keynote and after after I got home I lazy twittered 44 like a brief recap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► in my my good friend Larry King definitely called me out and and asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► basically off Twitter to do my show prep on my behalf so thank you Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► editorial yeah but plans are did it for me too because who doesn't like he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► man so anyway there he has extremely tired but I can't hide it I am jealous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► of my hair cannot get that tall and and he he can pull it off just like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► Jeff rock is a cool enough guy he can pull off any facial hair and like mutton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► chops full beard partial beard goatee anything he can pull off any facial hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► combination and I'm very jealous I can pull off anything except clean shaven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► which I don't do very well I'm sorry I did not shave the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► I thought something felt just a little bit wrong tonight yeah sharp anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► you used you watched it didn't you know I didn't actually I did I instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► watching Google i/o I took a new allergy medicine this morning has been crazy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► slept all afternoon so I got up I was able to tweak a few things in response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► to some of the live blogs I was reading before and after the giant nap amazingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► I will go from the giant happen it was still yes so apparently the recap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► apparent from the top I know almost nothing but apparently of the three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► us I know the most so based on Panzers excellent punch list which I'll try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► find one of you start talking input in the chat show notes there were few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► different things that I kind of grouped everything into and so the general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► themes that I saw were general stuff about Google's business and and Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► and Android business there was a bit about deftly walls of course a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► cloud services and then finally some hardware in terms of Ohio's in Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Google's business they didn't know that they have 900 million Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► activations which is quite a bit and 48 billion apps downloaded which given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► Apple just rolled over fifty billion I thought that was kind of interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► unsurprising that they had a me-too moment about that oh definitely so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► don't have anything else on that before I continue doesn't get so deftly tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► they mentioned a few different things firstly they apparently there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► mechanism by which you can ask for a translation to happen or maybe not ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► for so it's free but you can request a translation to happen within the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► equivalent of iTunes Connect I guess and yeah that was that human powered I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► know my impression was you have to use somebody is doing it somehow so yes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► human powered and I don't think it's free but again I'm not a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► sure it's still very good though because i've i've always rallied in favor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► good voice-over support and apps to the point where I think Apple should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► testing out the voice over on during a preview and rejecting the ones at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► are unusable or otherwise terrible for voiceover users and it is so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► reasoning for that would be to to get more apps to do this fairly trivial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► thing to support accessibility better and it will be interesting if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► were to do the same thing with basic localisation the way Google like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► that Google has this infrastructure in place where you can very easily localize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► your app or at least do the basics right within their developer portal like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► if Apple did that and made it a basic requirement of of a preview that like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► important strings in your apt 403 important to use it as a question I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► about the localization thing because I don't know I didn't watch it I saw like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► tweets going by about it is this a service they provide like you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► give them some money or something and then people localize a rapper is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► just a way for you to localize your own out my impression interface my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► impression was that it was a service and somebody there are so many in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► his saying that yes it's human powered a newspaper word and if your name was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► pronounced a ball in the chat I would pronounce it but it's a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► consonants and so I guess your names did give good but anyway so that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► saying that it's empowering people word and I agree with you Marco that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► voice-over support is so unbelievably trivial and iOS it's really just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► hey for this UI element this is what you should read to a vision-impaired users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► and when you gonna kick about this season as I two years ago now I did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► with my really crummy and really simple app in the App Store and it took me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► about an hour and I expected it to take forever so that's not translation that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► a little bit different but I I completely agree that that voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► oversupply not having voice-over support is inexcusable and shame on you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► don't address this translation thing reminds me of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► highlights if if it is as you describe how is it different to an Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► Google could never imagine how Apple offering a service like that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► what Apple would want you to do is to get your own translators in work closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► with them to make sure it's exactly the way you want it because it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► not that it's automated translation of machine translation is just a this pool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► generic pool of translators are going to know your particular application to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► same degree that you know someone that you hire personally and worked with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► would know and it seems like what you'd end up with this more applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► are translated but the ones that are translated would not be very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► translations and it seems like Apple would be like translating if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► going to sweat the details over the exact precise word in this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► languages can be the right word for your application and you're gonna go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► forth with your guy fifty times about you know one thing to leak one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► reasons why I never look like Instapaper which honestly was probably very bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► business but the recited localize the app is because Instapaper is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► than just the app and there's the entire website to go along with it and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► Instapaper app and website and the way they interact the bookmarklet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► installation procedure all that stuff it's very text intensive very language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► intensive in the language is very nuanced and a lot of cases and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► also there's a question of shouldn't you also if you're selling a nap in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► language giving the impression you support that language should should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► do you also need to provide support in that language like that so the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► so if they were all these task of localizing Instapaper would have been so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► large to do it well that I never got around to it as you know as my limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► time and resources permitted I just never got around to doing so I knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► it wasn't just you know look like a few buttons labels and the app it was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► much more than that and and and localization even when it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► locally but enables an app that alone is not trivial you know there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► problems with again with nuance in another company with with nuance the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► of you know just when you say you know accept or OK or if you say read later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► what does that mean you know in another language like it would if you directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► translate that it is there a better alternative than what you come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► or is it confusing issue directly translate it there is there's all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► little exceptions that as you said John like it's not as easy as here just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► blindly take the strings file and giving the output and ended up there are other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► issues like you know do the do the new strings fit on the buttons to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► overflow of the boundaries of the German and they're expensive spaces right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► like japanese were you should be using larger font sizes slightly or different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► funds like there's there's all sorts of of differences that you need to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► and an edge cases all over the place that's a kiss is just regular case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► just localisation is is not a trivial thing and just translating the strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► is is step one and there's a lot more to it than that so I wonder about the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► time you could you could possibly argue like is a badly translated app better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► than an app that is not translated all valujet understand like that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► Apple's AAPL system of priorities is such that they would prefer that you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► a super awesome job or not do it they wouldn't you know like where is Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► their philosophy is definitely it's better to have make make translation as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► easy as possible even if the translations are going to be that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► because we think it's more important to just have you know ten thousand ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► translated apps out there instead of a hundred 14 great translations yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► you have the same things like the layout psychiatry about you know when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► doing some testing having your seventeen candles or 800 iOS devices now multiply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► that by the number of languages and make sure you check every screen in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► language you never know when that labels gonna poke out of the button or get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► truncated assist the nightmare oh yeah I remember when we back in tumblr before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► it before I even left to do Instapaper went when Tumblr site localizing it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► just a massive amount of work and fortunately I didn't have to do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► but it you know it took a dedicated staff I think two people one being and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► it's hard to find a good translator for one thing because you have to find some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► but generally speaking it's it's better to find somebody who is a native speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► of the destination language you're translating to so you know if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► translate Japanese you should probably find a Japanese person who has crippled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► Japan who knows enough English to be able to understand and translate well to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► Japanese but then it isn't just have to find somebody who speaks the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► and knows it well you can also find somebody who's good at writing interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► text which I think about how hard it is to find people in the in your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► language to do that you know that's that's not an easy job and that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► can make a very very big difference in how people perceive and use your product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► and so you can't just find anybody but here's the worst part you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► judge the quality of somebody for a language you don't know very well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► can't judge how good they are that it's very very difficult so there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► the issue of how do you find good people to do this even Google's automated like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► the tools are I see a problem because I've done work for companies were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► extensively trance localized everything and the tools to give to the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► are doing the localisation that is actually an issue because we would hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► the best people to local stations because but they weren't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► tech savvy so you want to give them a really simple way for them to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► update things quickly the integrated with the rest of your process of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► tool that Google is providing can provide that piece of the puzzle and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► can also imagine away from them to help with the problem that you described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► remarkably like I hope this guy's doing a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► translations cause I can't read them and you know you could have a system whereby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► people rate the quality of the translations of those applications in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► the store I don't know it's crazy for us in the iOS ecosystem to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► adding features to the store or the back end of it do it but for Google that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► cannot be like oh yeah we should do that so then the people who participated in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► this human power and translation process could be rated by the customers of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► application and say was it is this application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► localized your language very well or did it reads like you know when we read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► those manuals and how to assemble something that really badly translated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► from you know Korean or Chinese or something and you can tell it right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► eventually you would probably start you know narrowing the pool of your human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► power translators are least marking this guy is like five star for like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► things you can do with the internet and the web could be brought to bear on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► these aspects of the translation problem that difficulty finding tools finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► people who are going to use the tools and making sure that people like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► some sort of feedback mechanism whereby the people get better or at least you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► can see how good they are during translation I think that that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► brings up an interesting side effect of this discussion I related to this which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► is I think seeing all the stuff that Google is adding to their developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► portal today really makes iTunes Connect looks to look terrible in comparison i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► mean iTunes Connect which is what I developers used to manage their apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► upload them and everything it's always been pretty terrible it has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► better over the years but I would still not call it anywhere near good there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► there's lots and lots of old crushed there it's a very clearly made for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► the music industry to upload their stuff to iTunes back forever ago and it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► of tackle the stuff onto the sanction infrastructure perhaps I am website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► right yeah and I was like it's amazing to me that if you think of how far the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► tools that Apple's developers use have come since I could project builder when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► it was a project military Mac OS 10 10 points airliner member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► way back when like it didnt Xcode did not look like it does now and it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► this make plays give a lot of high school for like it has a its leaps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► bounds above where was many things started so it's clear that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► invested very heavily with some bumps in the road fine in its native I D but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► if you look at any part of the development process that's not in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► native application like radar web or apparently iTunes Connect which I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► used or even just like the ATC side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► along those have not made the kind of progress that Xcode has over the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► period of time and it's frustrating for everyone involved in it it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► sense to me because in this particular case it's not like they don't prioritize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► the developer experience they need to do with exco like they they made their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► compiler for Crowder you know acquired / coming near there are like they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► afraid to do the hard things when it comes to trying to make great tools for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► developers but somehow that doesn't count and it's like college suffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► through this website and I don't understand that well and we're gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► to that if we get this far since I'm 1.1 if Google i/o and we've heard a run for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► a few minutes but we'll get to that later in that Google announced a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► cloud services and that really made me think about you know the comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► Apple but iTunes Connect definitely stinks and and my three or four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► and I've been fiddling with iOS as a developer it has always been awful and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► couldn't agree with you more Marco that it's unsurprising to me that Google who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► is so strong in Web services and cloud computing sort of things it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► surprising to me that they're doing so much better or appear to be doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► much better than Apple is that these sorts of bits so long line with depth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► walls another thing that they announced it is needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► beta testing and to be honest I don't know specifically what that means I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► assuming it's a test flights sort of setup which is interesting because last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► I heard test flight was just becoming available on Android but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► available now and the other thing that I thought was very interesting is staged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► rollouts so you can say hey for this new feature perhaps for this new Pinery I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► not again I'm not totally clear how it works you can target their say only 10% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► of my users can can see this new feature new binary whatever the case may be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► that strikes me is really useful and relevant for things like what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► it doesn't matter so yes so mailbox who famously had infamously had cue system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► and I think a couple other apps have done that since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► instead they have this need of mechanism wherein you can do a staged rollout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► which I thought was really cool and interesting but speaking of support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► problems I can only imagine the support snafu that that would cause I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► this would do more harm than good in imperious market here your two cents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► about this but it's certainly on the surface it sounds excellent but as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► as I dig deeper mentally into what this would mean it strikes me as maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► well I think it it really it if it's necessary in the Android ecosystem more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► so than it is in the App Store iOS ecosystem because you know that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► kind of a wild west where you can upload a binary and anytime there's no a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► preview it just kind of you do what you want whenever you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► and so having something like a stage role it actually makes some sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► because you don't have that first of all that long delay between when you ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► some code and when people can actually get it and is also not that that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► step of a preview happening the middle where there's someone else trying here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► at an isolated environment and catching most really obvious major bugs so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► therefore preventing you from you know that your customers so I think with iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► like if he if you had a stage roll out you know what would that i truly benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► you if you can't update and if you can't send a new binary up there for the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► anyway it it that the benefit there is is less so than if you just had then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► Google case we finished uploading whenever you want it's pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► immediate but that presupposes that issue is with your binary and not with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► the backing web service that in this phantom a presumably is under your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► control and presumably you could fix whenever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► yeah that makes sense yet did I mean I guess if you really not something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► going to put a lot of strain on our servers or you don't know how it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► to be at scale and you know you have to agree indexing databases are optimized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► some things then I could see some value there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► I think the overhead of having such a system probably is not worth it in in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► most cases I don't I don't even know how much it's worth 200 really I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► seeing here though is that you know Google has to make all their tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► awesome they have to make all of these all these things for Android developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► great because they have to attract developers Google needs developers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► taking and read more seriously and they are slowly but you know it is slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► happening but google it needs to be attracting developers as hard as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► can Apple doesn't need to do that because all the developers already go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► Apple to apples they don't need them as badly you know and so that's why I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► sit there with iTunes Connect being being as mediocre as it is and and taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► they can not support all of these cool new thing that Google is doing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► can have a preview and things like that they can do all that because we go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► we're like knocking on the door we are desperate to get into the Apple App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► Store because that's where the people on the money and the influence all our and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► the Android app stores have been kind of us this mixed game of usually usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► not simultaneous release of iOS things usually debut and I was first if I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► certainly the date they are they almost never debut on Android iOS and most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2214">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► the buzz of new apps happening is still happening i Oso Google really needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► people go to them first so they need to be doing all this stuff for example he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► doesn't agree with that and the other thing that I forgot to mention in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► of developer tools on iTunes Connect sort of scenario is I heard some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► rumblings of I guess there's some sort of lead tracking or referral information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► like analytics kind of analysts is a poor choice of words but some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► referral information just so you can see why somebody downloaded your app and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► dont again I don't know any of the details beyond that but I heard some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► that would be really exciting if you take your presence in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► seriously which I do not but I know market you certainly did and still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► and so I can only imagine how awesome that would be provided even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► rudimentary amount of information about where you've gotten downloads from hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► yeah I mean I i've been young about that for years that it is and i think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► they said was there later this summer they're tied in with Google Analytics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► and something that as you can have a panel attacks on the website and track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► where they came from and all that stuff basically everything I was people only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► as an iOS developer it's very hard to know why people are buying Arab you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► you can look at your rank and you can see how you're doing what else to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► apps and everything like that you can see your sales every day you could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► how many you're selling and you can you can attempt to correlate ok like it big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► ad buy and then the next day my sales were up so that might have been because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► of the ad buy or it might have been because a lot of people just bought new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► iPhones that day like it or it could have been featured somewhere in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► Store in not even known about it because they don't tell you when your feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► that there's this cause he's all these conditions or any don't know even did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► some research for your appt by name or did they browse an app store section and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► if they were browsing and apps store section and it popped up look I Section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► browsing was it a future with a top list was it a category list you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► would be great to know where these people are coming from yday but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► out how they got there if you wanna webcam pay no there there are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► like like tap stream will try to track people between things but even those I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► think at work all the time because Apple doesn't have any kind of hooks into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► their stuff and so it would be great to know my app was downloaded from browsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► the top list here and therefore I might want to consider staying in the top list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► may be adjusted my price as a result or it'd be nice to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► well most people download my app by searching for it by name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► therefore I don't need to rely as much on the top list and I can concentrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► more on advertising my my name and and branding and all that stuff you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► like it would be great to know that stuff and you did you guys have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► insight into any of that with apple today you know you couldn't you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► attempt to get some of it through various you know hacks and services that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► attempt to TOTY like I P used to to to purchase an iPad but it's it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► it'll be so much better if Apple integrated that somehow and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► ignore that completely which is kind of their ammo would do which is unfortunate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► but it's certainly it's certainly true so what if iTunes Connect and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► stuff I do with sales tracking and uploading new versions of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► application everything was written as a native application instead of a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► does not solve the problem is that the only way we can make this happen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► I maybe would start out as kind of like you know the first version of Xcode 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► become a disaster and the website worked but maybe over time they would get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► read on that made of application whatever it might be called hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► now would not be called iTunes what they already have that they have a native app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► in Xcode integration doing part of the job of it used to be that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► prepare your binary with these special you know you have to export it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► the distribution signing profile this all the screen is difficult and profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► stuff and then make sure you upload that version of it into like the file upload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► first they had this application loader a thinker that was the one who did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► first I had to act like you would do everything i tunes connect to prepare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► for the upload you enter all the metadata the screenshots everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► and then it would say ready for upload and you bunches happen that would do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► and now that's built into Xcode so I can do that people were super excited I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► think this is last year's the BC when I think someone was discussing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► feature of the integration into everyone was excited about that I think mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► because they figured if we can hook onto the train that actually has permits year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► after year april you know that'll be good thing and then the room was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► an hour or two days later it was all they didn't didn't integrated entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► is just slightly slightly more stuff happens in Mexico but still you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► be going to that website right and and the stuff they integrated does work well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► and it is better and faster and way less error-prone the old way of doing it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► it's still not you know it's not the full experience but I don't even know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► integration when we solve the problems of iTunes Connect because it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► know it's not that web apps are always terrible there's lots of great web apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► I don't think this needs to be a native app to do the stuff that iTunes Connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► mostly does I think it just needs to be a better web and there's plenty of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► for that are Apple's web app so is terrible I don't think they are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► some of some of the iCloud outside a little sick mail application they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► they suffer from trying to look too much like native applications yeah but other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► than that like there's competence there too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► to do it like the companies that is not reflected in for example radar web right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► is way worse and iTunes Connect they had like I think Apple helped fund / hired a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► bunch of guys r sprout car and head pastry kit their internal thing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► doing you know aidid UIKit stuff and JavaScript like there's little fits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► starts of web stuff that goes on and then of course the web object guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► toiling away doing whatever it is they do but which Kraft yeah but clearly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► Google the entire company is focused on web development in their web apps just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► you may not like them athletically and you may not like Google and the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► they collect or whatever but they know how to make a web app on the time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► work great and and they are you know even if they even if the visual design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► is often questionable but I think it's I think it has always been questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► functionally they work extremely well and I think the visuals have gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► better like a certain like leaps and bounds you know when they did that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► redesigned everything to be that kind of more widely spaced sharp cornered Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► color is gray and red and blue you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► that like I'm not that big a fan of that design but applying a coat of paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► alisa is finally giving him some kind of unified appearance across their product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► lines and each new one that comes out in like when they read two pages it got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► little bit better and the new Google Maps looks like a little bit more modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► gmail still weird-looking Google+ even in its short life Google+ has stepped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► so I think we're seeing a million different times about a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► different companies but in this case it's cool Apple Google is becoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► better at being like Apple faster than Apple's becoming better be like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► and everyone of raising cool coming out by William ago but like it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► that Google is upping its game in all the areas where apple traditionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► strong and Apple is not really upping its game against kind of like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► pulling off mass at all was kind of a light up like now Apple proved you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► kind of do this stuff but then came out great you know let's let's go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► that in a minute this is a good time to our our first sponsor our first sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2678">TS</a>]
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00:45:29 ◼ ► websites to go to an Event Apart dot com slash ATP FM that's an Event Apart dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► com slash ATP FM thank you to an event apart for sponsoring the show i been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► doin Department how they recommended especially if you like a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► developer type nerd and you've never been to a non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► developer conference like this that part is a developer conference but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► like hardcore programming like they're gonna talk about HTML CSS and there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► talked a lot about design issues you know it's great to go to a conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► like that especially good one outside of your core area of competency right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► because maybe you're not a designer maybe you're just you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► javascript programmer but just go to a conference where more than half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► sessions are about things outside the realm of your little world programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► really helps expand your mind the fact that your product is more than how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► nicely factor your classes are you know oh yeah and I went to one as well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► learned a lot there and it really is a very good balance of of code and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► design and style and it really is focused on websites like yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► recommended if your web developer or web designer and the quality of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► speakers tends to be perhaps a notch above in terms of public speaking skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► the average speaker you get it like a conference or something now that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► impugning programmers but these people these people are understand that as part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► of their job to be entertaining and they are so highly recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► so back to what you said a second ago I do want to talk a little bit about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► how it does seem like Google is advancing rapidly and Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► Apple seems to be going at a relatively stable pace that is noticeably slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► than Google in a lot of these areas and we we had an honor on our previous shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► we discussed what happened with the WebKit project and how Google just threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► a ridiculous amount of engineering talent at Webb kid and just totally blew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► past Apple's contributions pretty quickly that I don't know if it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► much then throwing people out of it is that makes it seem like they have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► resources and directed at a certain thing I just think they have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► bandwidth like there are wider machine you know have more and more bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► for all the types to these types of things for the you know how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► does Apple have to put towards making any any kind of web application better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► versus how many people does Google have to put that ass and pick any other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► how many people does Apple have to put towards their comp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► versus how do you go to school that just seems to me i i love to see that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► real head counts here but it seems to me like the Google has more bandwidth they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► have more people have more smart people you know and and they seem to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► through through what is often a failure of Google which is there relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► hands off management through most of their history were having like a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► different like half finished half ass products and services that and they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► into bad as they get shut down and then they get ignored it like and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► always been kind of all over the place but as a result of this like lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► strict management for so long you're right they do have taken a day can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► get tons of stuff done because it isn't all flowing through a narrow final at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► the top of this hasn't been so far and an apple it's always been the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► Apple it's always been like everything goes through the top everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► directed from the top and so things the top doesn't care about us enough time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► care about generally get neglected or get on very very slow development cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► like iTunes Connect and and and so I think the Mac Pro and and so i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► know Apple has always operated much like a small company and that has really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► given them a lot of benefits and a lot of their products and a lot of their lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► of their output but I think in the case of things like web services that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► doesn't work like that you just need more throughput there's more to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► there's more that needs to be able to be done without without the CEO having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► approve everything or the or the Chief Director of whatever happened to approve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► everything or or being all the meetings and its and you're right that Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► just so capable of throwing tons and tons of of of bandwidth as you say at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► this problem and an apple just has not seemingly done that I mean it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► know that because so few people who talk about what happens inside there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► there are only allowed to but it just seems it seems from the outside like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► apple has just never cared that much about things like web services enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► get them as right as Google does not have to say something like this every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► shows that this be my time the show you know the Google seems so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► dedicated to caring about infrastructure solving a general-purpose problem they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► will benefit the entire company in a general-purpose way rather than having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► all the group that's working on this little thing will will do whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► takes to make a great whatever they're working on so Gmail team with like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► we really need to make storage work great for Gmail so we're gonna do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► storage project in like great good job we love gmail came out great we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► people with good taste like the Apple model people with good taste deciding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► what's in and what's out and we're gonna make a great product but what did you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► for the rest of the company great so you made a great product did you help the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► rest of the company in a way when you made that maybe some other products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► the company's some way to store stuff in a similar way the gmail is sourced up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► and I get the impression up especially before they want cross-functional that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► it was like the teamwork and I was also the crazy things to make the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► version of iOS awesome with minimal you know I am i wud the minimum I towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► what are we doing to help the rest of the company not just today but ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► from now and all their concentration on we just need to make this the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► operating system it could possibly be in their pluses and minuses to both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► those strategies you spend all your time trying to make sure you have an awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► instructor in crappy products and that's you can you can apply that slams Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► and many passing areas and present scenario is right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► infrastructure is underpinned there is love but great products as having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► customers loved right but there's a balance and it seems like Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► starting to get better add concentrating on making great product not having any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► different products while retaining its religion about we need to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► infrastructure we need to make things better for everyone in the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► whereas Apple just seems to be doubling down on that we need to make the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► awesome product but at a certain point you can't make your product any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► awesome if you just don't have the tools in place for your company to make great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► web service to make great cloud computing things to know all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► like it they can make it seems like most likely can't figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► why why are my sis good as Google's why isn't are you know I cloud services good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► as they call them on and soon they'll be asking themselves why Game Center isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► as good as this cross-platform web you know like and maybe doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► because I was better games than Google more games games to make people more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► money like in the end that's all that really matters right but I worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► the infrastructures and that's something that has historically been Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► strength and they're they're playing strongly to it like you were saying so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► the other section or the grouping things that we learn to Google i/o that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► was just kind of cloud services so you mentioned Google play games I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► that's what it's called I don't even know they also have a cloud messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► gain which my understanding is it's not as much I message as it is a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► centralized version of push notifications and so the understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► that I got was that if you're using some application that uses this this service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► say it's a website within Chrome well if you get a notification within Chrome it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► will only go to that chrome session but the minute you leave that chrome session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► on and I don't know by what mechanism it it determines that you've left then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► you'll start getting these notifications on your phone instead and so this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► thing that all Apple users beg for specifically around I message but would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► be just awesome in general so if you say used tweet bots you would only get two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► notifications on whatever thing you're actively using and again that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► really awesome for iMessage and the interesting thing that I caught myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► thinking was you know I but that'll work really well whereas if Apple announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► the exact same thing aw BDC in a month or not even a month I think my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► thought will be hope that works my messages show up in the right order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► within a single application on a single device like its terms of the company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► love them getting this stuff right speaking of cool hands for someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► mention the chatroom and featured in various ways this thing I was integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► with measuring stuff during the show Google Google Plus came out in like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► there's also this hand thing you like some sort of like video thing and how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► install like some sort of drink a plug-in for browsers and now we can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► video chat inside a web browser and slamming like you know no big deal right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► fast forward however long it's been since Google+ came out and my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► Google hangout is now the way that we do teleconferencing we have all these fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► teleconferencing hardware and software which we do not use everyone goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► through Google their web browser and that is the way that we can successfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► video conference and they share their screens with each other in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► speakers doing things and we do like all the things that you would see in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► eighties futuristic like that you'd be able to do this we do it and doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► all in a web browser and Google hangout now require Google+ is that its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► thing now I don't know what people are doing to do it I think it might require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► Google+ like all you need is a web browser no one has to install any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► software works on a Mac works on a PC I don't even know if everyone's using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► Chrome but maybe they are but like actually it's the one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► actually works and it is amazing to me to see these people who have not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► vandalized as far as I know by anyone from Google and you know like I just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► bunch of managers coordinating their like non-technical people coordinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► five-person multimedia presentation and three different locations and just works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► in a web browser and it's amazing to me that if you said you know maybe Apple be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► the one to bring species video chat was the first video chat I should work if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► people could do it as long as everybody had a Mac and FaceTime works right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► deny space-time just work so kudos rap on that but it seems like hand it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► just google keeps hammering on them and I came just heading to believe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► screen share integrating instant messages file attachment so just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► escape integrating that till you you know hangout becomes the be all end all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► multi-person communication thing in to start out as this weird chatroulette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► attached to a social network and join one apparently according to Marcos car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► in the chatroom it it still does require Google+ account which I think I have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► but God knows I've looked at it like two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► but what's interesting about the way described John I agree I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► right is that it's been editor to flee improved upon which is a very Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► approach and it seems to be working really well for Google and and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► that I've heard regular people talk about oh let's just do a Google hangout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► real quick and I'll look at them like we whites really so obviously I'm the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► that's crazy because you do it right there successfully doing whereas think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► about any other way that you would do that what's going on skype video channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► 4 get a Skype is a train wreck and try to get a Skype installed or installing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► or disease your camera on this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► FaceTime FaceTime is pretty good FaceTime or Skype FaceTime is finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► the person like what name do I put in what I applied to you signed into and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► gets back to before that insanity and everything your iPad and computer right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► and then eventually went fine arts you have to get your parents that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► sideways so on and so on Apple if you're listening you have some sort of mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► that just like you do that for vertical video shooting on the iPhone just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► force people to put it sideways because if you just put the image on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► sideways they will turn it sideways to the image right side up we all thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► for so quickly there lemme channel neutral for second when we were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► around the Nurburgring and I was driving I looked over briefly in saudi Aaron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► recording what was going on with her phone in portrait and I very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► sternly explained to her that that was just not going to cut it for a video of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► me driving around the Nurburgring yes we actually had that discussion while Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► was driving when we were discussing why you don't want to shoot video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► portrait it's called multitasking anyway it's weird because I think face time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► does work extremely well but the problem with this time it's one-to-one and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► like you were saying John if you want a multi-person dang that very quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► eliminates FaceTime US I'm missing something and that's not even even i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► chat via things used to be like Sharon document kind of off to the side in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► weird thing like still in work for business busy busy wanna put the dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► spreadsheet up so people can see it or you want to share your web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► screen as you can demonstrate a web application will I can still hear your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► like it's not we're not asking for the moon but Apple's conception of this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► i'd i'd chat video chat was like that little thing where the people would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► little reflection like they're on the big virtual infinite black near finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► plane and then shared a document that would come in and other one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► things but they might be stuck to you share a picture of your baby you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► look at right it wasn't like made for business where you want to fill the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► screen was just google has lots of features and they're complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► picky or whatever but people can figure them out later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► elegant and beautiful or whatever and at some point just having the speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► why doesn't have FaceTime on your person tapping out like that teams are ok we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► done with FaceTime it works fine now go off work on next great thing but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► not going to preface time I already not gonna have multi-person FaceTime or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► maybe doesn't work over 3G who knows but it's kinda depressing it is and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► there are few other things that Google announced but also they do what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► have this the Google Play games and then they also have Google Play Music Hall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► access which my friend Brad loan back had tweeted that they really need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► brand manager helped refa how he phrased it he phrased much better than giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► him credit for but they need a way to come up with better names but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► Google Play musical access which is basically Spotify atrocious last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► how Microsoft puts Microsoft like Windows in front of everything and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► they used to live in for Windows Live like now it's like now Google has put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► Google Play in front of all these different product names and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► Google Play itself is just no good like that whatever they came up with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► Google Play is going to be our like flagship brand for the way we sell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► things like that that should not have because you can't go anywhere from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► is nothing but after playing its gonna prove it bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► yeah yeah so i dont to me a Spotify likely owned by Google really I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► think I care I care because I don't actually don't care that are you stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► music but if I did you stream music I would be more comfortable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► investing in in the Google to like they'll streaming music they let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► upload all my stuff whatever because I would have more faith in Google is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► to be around long term Spotify like and not the thought of as a fly-by-night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► company or whatever but I just if something is going to involve mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► uploading or mass downloading I like it too involved a big company that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► take a lot to kill somebody as fickle as Google who always kills things that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► that's the wild card but like for her something where month where there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► business model that makes sense like where they charge you money for it on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► yeah maybe thinking just go away right so that's a risk of anything like should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► I start buying iTunes music today the iTunes store is open to you try to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► out but it's not like it's my Google Reader is a free service that costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► money to run the you can make money they charge you a charge every month and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► presumably they charged enough money to cover their costs so it's Spotify like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► but I i just this is one of the decision of Google strength and Amazon's too for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► that matter like Amazon's streaming service or whatever they're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► telling you things they like to say you did rule things that's not going away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► and it's probably not going with a few more comfortable than I do with just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► know some company random company like Spotify Spotify becomes a big school in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► 10 years but I think there is something to be said for that type of thing to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► said for like Spotify that's their whole business at whereas Google this is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► of like this side business it's brand new and Google often tries things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► don't work on the shut them down and and and really need this to succeed other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► things they could be doing Spotify this is their entire business so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► going to try to figure out one company of those two that you wanna like invest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► your time and effort into I'd still take Spotify well I mean it also has to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► with integration to like the reason we like the Apple thing is if you buy a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► of devices you sure that you'll be able to watch the audio to listen to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► iTunes music with you to the iTunes Match on all your ideas devices on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► Apple TV and you know you're all set right well Spotify acid as well but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► don't own any platform they're coming from the outside was released Google can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► put it on Android and you know they're gonna have an awesome version on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► in there ok by making iOS app so they've got something cover their butts modifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► doesn't have any certain native platform by rational you shouldn't use Netflix I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► was just about to say the same thing if I mean that's that's the thing if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► Apple had competent Netflix like service I would probably using that Netflix but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► they didn't you know i mean like there's no reason Apple couldn't have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► exactly when Netflix did around the same time that works did it but it didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► know that there are no longer alone making it happen so that's why road then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► drop boxes another example why we are using Google Drive Dropbox got their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► first earned our trust and Google Drive came out and then Google Drive looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► even though Google longer than Dropbox Dropbox has proven itself to me and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► stable and everything I also like Spotify app I've tried a few times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► his little bit offensive to me it's gotten better to that's the sad thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► agree with you it's it's rough it's not intuitive at all at least not for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► way my brain tix but it's actually gotten a lot better since the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► persons so I think that's the majority of the cloud services the only thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► haven't really talked about which looks reasonably exciting and I do not say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► that sarcastically is the new version of maps which seems to be a kind of quasi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► way it Google Earth with just generally improved visuals and in everything just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► gets better they've they've kind of thought about saying this but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► gonna say they kinda +1 everything in the shower but not very brief video that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► Google made of the new Google Maps and it looks really darn good it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► really really does they have really great really great representation of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► the different directions you can take between places and if you're lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► enough to live with somewhere that has public transport they'll show that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► car they'll show by those show walking it really really look good it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► API if you will for web browsers so you can presumably it runs really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► everything about it just looks like Google Maps which almost everyone I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► really likes myself very much included but better and that's never a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► in my eyes so did you guys see this I think they didn't +1 I think they like + [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► 200 it like that it's really like that depressing thing that Apple used to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► and still kind of doesn't particularly on hardware problems out with an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► Harbor device in the four-year the rest of the industry bends over backwards to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► try to come up with something that's even remotely as good and as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► they start getting close Applewhite just leap frogs itself and we just barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► caught up with whatever the previous iPod model was and now I have this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► like the iPhone was one of those things like we were just finally trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► our digital music players to be happening at Apple has not yet carp with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► plain old before this announcement Google Maps and there is no apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► working hard to make them better and so on and so forth and now they do this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► it's like what you just stay still for a minute we catch up with you but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► won't like they're they're driving forward you know every aspect of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► not things like we just have your data we added new features like all know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► do look good on the vocabulary on the side of things you can do all new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► technology to run the thing by the way WebGL still freaks me out a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► afraid that I'm going to accidentally root my phone by yeah yes security on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► that is is tricky I don't know that that bothers me a little bit like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► say the Google is just adding tiny incremental improvements in that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► not resting on their laurels some team had been working on these maps to vastly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► improve it and they were already already had the best map data and he just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► get better from there I don't see Apple catching up to that honestly I i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► see why I see Google Maps always being way their own Apple maps I i just Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► does not Apple has never shown an ability to catch up with things of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► nature at all even survive at all let alone to to be able to surpass Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► Google so good at services and big data type stuff and Apple is so bad at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► and leveraging liver damage you know leveraging the crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► like the OpenStreetMap initiative like if I was a counseling appt on what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► only chance to be competitive in the maps basis you have to go sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► community-based collaborative like find an open project get the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► behind it because then it can be you in the entire world vs Google break and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► sure Google is doing the same thing with trying to you know like they'll do it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► their own dough into rich feedback from all the people like that whole mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► of if someone sees something that's the wrong place correcting it and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► jackets talk about this and where the past week but how he wishes if a store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► is in the wrong place he corrected and histone he would Lisa that change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► immediately even if everyone else didn't and then by doing that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► eventually filter upstream but it's like whitewater himself with his own phone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► he knows the pen is in the wrong spot let him drag to the right spot and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► that change cyclical his phone than ever and we're told him how that would work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► with what if you share the map somebody else and people could put in bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► information about blah those are there are correct those are all the heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► problems solving those hard problems on a massive scale is how you get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► mapped it you know you can't just do it on your own you can't hire ten people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► improve your maps are sort through the backlog of eight billion request you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► really have to just let the whole world participate in fact I wish the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► world as I've said many times in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► we're all working together to provide the best map this is only one planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► earth then one set of roads in one set of buildings like there's no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► other than good old capitalism competition that we couldn't all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► collaborating to provide the single most accurate unified set of information and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► that individual companies consider averaged out and smooth the edges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► decide how they want to pull from that to make their maps better but alas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► kind of cooperation between particularly in Apple and Google seems to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► well it worked well with WebKit for a little while I was being sarcastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► actually a couple really quick thoughts and then we can move on to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► different firstly in contrast all the things that we said about how hideous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► Google properties tend to be actually think that the new maps looks really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► really pretty and I was very impressed by that and the other thing on a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► global scale in terms of Google i/o is that a bunch of people joke every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► that this year's whenever this year maybe this year's Google i/o is last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► and to some degree I think that's true especially let's look at the Game Center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► knock off whatever you call it thing but this year there were a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► that as even an amateur Apple developer I looked at them said hey man be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► nice or outcome which Apple would do that and i just think it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► that this year in this comes back to what you guys are saying about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► quickly Google is moving in this phase it's interesting to me that rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► being like ojala get these copycats now we're saying man Apple you should copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► something that's really good and I the only one who thinks that way but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► thought it was very different than it was in the past so definitely moving on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► our second sponsor for this episode is Coco conf took Coco confers a focus two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4212">TS</a>]
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01:10:23 ◼ ► the biggest names in the Apple developer community each event includes sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► covering tools frameworks tips and techniques that will help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► iOS and OS 10 developers build better apps and have more fun doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► along with these sessions they have inspiring keynote by industry luminaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► including Brent Simmons Matt trance and Jeff Lamarche and top of all that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4239">TS</a>]
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01:11:40 ◼ ► sponsoring also you know I feel like we have 22 sponsors on the show that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► both conferences I think and they don't really overlap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► that much at all you know an Event Apart is really web apps and design of the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► apps and cook on his iPhone iPad Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► native code development and so really I i think most most people listening can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► identify very well with one of these conferences you can't go wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► either of them right so next up I wanted to talk about Apple's new objective see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► jobs for bridge which actually John you had tweeted about earlier today and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► first lady talking about bridges with John Siracusa we are and that the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► was guessing that we might go here and I'm already getting pestered about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► potential for Siracusa county title and I should probably tell you that I'm I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► find it unlikely we'll go there for the job let us go there even if we wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► but I should point out to begin this conversation that there is a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► two Golden Gate bridges beside each other in this article which I'll put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► eurozone shot and the caption on this article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► of the picture of jute Golden Gate bridges right next to each other is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► I quote Syracuse account is on the left I don't actually I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► thirties is it was either for WC repressive from Apple's like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► not lyk a picture you know come through whenever someone in the chatroom please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► tell me if I forget what it needs a metaphor for the forking of WebKit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► was it was from a pass from the WDC 2008 invitation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► before my time so I wouldn't anyway that it didn't make it up that's one of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► they clearly they did not make up the fact that Serkis counties on the left i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► mean that is geographically and factually fact it is that there's one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► I so John since you brought this up by way of tweeting it earlier would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► like to give the executive summary and get your first comment since I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► busy today I Instapaper this article but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► I skimmed it in the paper to that seen nothing to do with all links that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► looking at it like this is a feature of WebKit and I've already seen some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► say that this is not new that this something similar to this has existed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► the past I don't even know how much this is an improvement of existing feature an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► expansion of an existing feature it's certainly not a bridge in the sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► the code JavaScript bridge was where you are now writing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► native applications in a language other than objective see that's not what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► is either and since it's specifically related to the JavaScript core part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► WebKit it's not it's not a general-purpose thing but they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► the plumbing there where you can write JavaScript code to manipulate subjective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► and so just having asked ms article we'll ask me what I think it means I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► think what are mostly means is all the developers have seen complaining over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► how little control you have web can be used in your native application and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► i I would like it if I could intercept whenever this happened and make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► happen and in Objective C application and I would like it if my pictures the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► application caused this to happen and manipulate the web you in this way this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► seems like a way where you could have arbitrarily connect JavaScript code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► running in a WebView with the state of your application its objects in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► methods in memory and that strikes me as a much more powerful way to let people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► use web give you to do things now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► couldn't say mechanism to use that people write code as part of the nato [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► allies and jobs good for the health and perhaps but the API you have now we may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► get Jess contacts in years past strengthen stuff like that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► same thing is writing your application and Javascript or whatever so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► even know if you recall I mean I guess it is kind of technically a bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► because you're calling JavaScript any other way around but it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► what people think of when they read the title I go now I'm gonna write all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► you know cocoa and UIKit applications but I need JavaScript and said that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► because now I don't have to worry about pointers anymore that's not this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► there already are a lot of cross-platform frameworks that work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► that principle of you right things in javascript and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► on on both iOS and Android they would have loved to have ideas like shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► absurd interpreter for you so you you already can write apps in JavaScript on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► the mobile platforms and there's nothing stopping you from doing it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► desktop as well if you want to but I think what's interesting about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► there there's two there's two big point I think worth were thinking about one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► this might not necessarily be how they want to move forward to say like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► you know it it might just be like right now people do tons of hacks without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► passing URLs back and forth between the web you and the and the cocoa code you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► know you're evaluating JavaScript string literal that it's it's a it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► pile attacks right now having a web you that you communicate with with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► happened and going back and forth so they might be trying to improve that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► certainly would improve performance and it would be it would make things a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► cleaner and a lot less bug prone and error-prone everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► also like you said I was so happy that we had to be stuck on a key where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► like applying the protocol to building classes so they can have visibility to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► the JavaScript world leave not it's less than it is not simply a stronger Morgan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► I'm making up you know like I have three ways to communicate with his web use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► everything must go through them now you have a new way you can really look up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► arbitrary stuff but still like a nice to kinda creepy and weird you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► it's not like it's not even as good as like the various other you know bridges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► they've had like the Ruby the popular everyone we're like it really is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► fairly transparent bridge where things just work and you not to worry about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► planning this deployment is visible your manually creating the plumbing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► looking things up but as you said like it's the ability to do it all I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► many developers ask for over many years because it's just so frustrating to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► web you have just a little control over it and that that seems to be solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► assuming this ships and is made a public API for developers and recommended ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► wanted to be W C could be as the other interesting thing about this is that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► WebKit first volley was who's committed like on New Year's Eve so nobody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► and then and a lot of the stuff is wrapped a compiler macros to not compile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► it if it's not on 10.9 so it certainly looks like this is said to be a feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► only of 10.9 and you know so whether whether they will do anything more with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► it outside of the WebKit tree you know if if it exposes API on a broader level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► or make a bigger deal out of it we don't know that yet but I think that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► interesting that the day they seem to make some effort to do this quietly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► I give it the fact that some webpages only reason we've seen it all because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► when they open source and they could still help the deck coming onto like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► do a lot with a lot of the big changes hold them and hold them and then push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► them out but yeah like this is the question of will this even be a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► API to WebKit because if it's not like it doesn't matter if you're running a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► couple of your Mac App Store Apple matters and if you're certainly running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► iOS app I know the apt I know the UI's that can see the headers but apple says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► their private so I can use it so you'd still be stuck if you're selling things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► to Apple's any of Apple's App Store's would still be stuck using the crazy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► have before but when I see stuff like this I don't seem like the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► that Apple would not do for the hell of it all seems like the kind of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► is not particularly useful to anyone outside Apple because who else uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► objective say and what did the same time so it strikes me that it's probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► there to help one or more applications maybe they're finally making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► AppStore apps better I don't know what is the company that bought redo their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► store with the with the worst appearance and it doesn't matter yeah it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► the CH Cheng and chat room could help me out even with disparaging them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► they did you make everything worse never liked her maybe like if they had if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► can do everything with the web you remember like the iTunes Store was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► with this crazy XML descriptions of the data and they had died turns out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► heard they had slowly transition to using WebKit views but then they suffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► from the thing of like well you got a nice web give you a nice to look into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► this application in the hooks are very bad and we're tired of doing these crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► accident hooks and here is now a slightly better system for integrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► web users off so I would expect that the reason this API existence because one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► more application on their iOS or the Mac are going to use this API to better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► integrate web use with the native application is around that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► possible it might it might just be 44 Apple for their own apps to use and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► know maybe maybe if you're if you're a Mac Developer you'll be able to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► but its iOS to there's no reason or is the name of the company says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► chatroom hope we do it that it was so excited when they bought this file you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► make everything better and I am of you blame childless like the technology that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► enables the storm may be better than the technology to have before us is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► choice of the UI is not nice so the passage of this article that I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► John you would be most fired up about and where the bridges of certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► accounting come in is and I quote the most interesting possibility would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► that this is the start of Apple's evolution away from Objective C which by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► the way they're linking to Copeland 2010 revisited into promoting a higher-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► language for their platform it's too early to say at this point but if the if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► JavaScript Kors going to one day display see Objective C runtime this would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► reasonable starting point and I guess I see their point but I feel like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► really big leap and to your earlier point john this isn't a bridge in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► sense that it you're making JavaScript a first-class citizen the West 10 or I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► sleepy I it's just a mechanism by which you can call back and forth which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► very very very big difference and furthermore I javaScript seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► peculiar choice to me a high-level language to choose in order to replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► Objective C so insanely popular now and so many people are working so hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► making JavaScript fast yet to Google but I wish you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► the funny one jobs nobody likes JavaScript but it's it's everywhere so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► everyone just kind of learned that some people I think you like it if you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► with the local if you work with low-level language for a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► JavaScript is the first and maybe the only in the primary high-level languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQMRiSY/4956">TS</a>]
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